From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Feb 1 02:51:22 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 08:51:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... Message-ID: Hi all, You may have seen some of these clips before - but here they are in one place. Linked using WeTransfer to protect your inbox and Bernie's server! I've linked 1 file to this email: Elephants.mp4 (8.3 MB)WeTransferhttps://we.tl/t-5btGLnsJqi Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ilbdjbflpfknnffa.png Type: image/png Size: 398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I heard a story that a unit was filming in India and used an elephant in some scenes , being looked after by a grips or some such crew member. Years later the guy again found himself in India with the same elephant, which recognised him, wrapped his trunk around him and lifted him onto his back. Well, it?s said that elephants never forget, so it proves the idea! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 01 February 2021 08:51 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... Hi all, You may have seen some of these clips before - but here they are in one place. Linked using WeTransfer to protect your inbox and Bernie's server! I've linked 1 file to this email: Elephants.mp4(8.3 MB)WeTransferhttps://we.tl/t-5btGLnsJqi Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 9306CED0CAA84F3EA42035DD2D69CBE0.png Type: image/png Size: 332 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ilbdjbflpfknnffa.png Type: image/png Size: 398 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 1 03:10:27 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 09:10:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Absolutely delightful Alec ? who could resist? Dave Newbitt From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 8:51 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... Hi all, You may have seen some of these clips before - but here they are in one place. Linked using WeTransfer to protect your inbox and Bernie's server! I've linked 1 file to this email: Elephants.mp4(8.3 MB)WeTransferhttps://we.tl/t-5btGLnsJqi Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Nick WAY On 01/02/2021 08:51 Alec Bray via Tech1 > wrote: Hi all, You may have seen some of these clips before - but here they are in one place. Linked using WeTransfer to protect your inbox and Bernie's server! I've linked 1 file to this email: Elephants.mp4 (8.3 MB)WeTransfer https://we.tl/t-5btGLnsJqi Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 398 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How would we know? Hugh -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Feb 1 04:45:48 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:45:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... Message-ID: In the days of local news programs "London Plus" I had to record an interview with a keeper and his elephant. During the course of the interview, the elephant decided to give me a hug around my neck with his trunk. Unfortunately at the time he had a cold! On another occasion, also at London Zoo, I had to get pictures of animals in the snow. When I arrived back at Lime Grove I discovered I had left the tripod behind. I phoned and was told I could collect it. I imagined the zoo would be a 24 hour operation, but no. As soon as it closes there are just a few security guards. So I was able to wander round an empty zoo with just the animals and the snow. Magic. Doug From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 1 05:06:28 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 11:06:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Songs of Praise/Iceland Message-ID: <6017e0b3.1c69fb81.21980.3806@mx.google.com> Sara?s posting reminded me that I?ve recently been in touch with Pam Rhodes who presented this series. I worked with her on a splendid trip to Iceland for a Thames TV schools programme, and it was fascinatingly memorable, from standing on a live volcano, to rescuing an abandoned puffin chick. Following the latter, we were rather upset to discover puffin on the menu at one small hotel we stayed in. If you ever get the chance to visit, grab it, it?s a stunning country. Attached is a fuller account ? well it?s something to read in lockdown, and one could bring up the Iceland map off Internet for further education! https://www.worldometers.info/maps/iceland-road-map/ Best Pat Or Petur Jorgensson, in Icelandic nomenclature. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Iceland.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 14919 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 1 06:04:38 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 12:04:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6017ee57.1c69fb81.5f86c.cf39@mx.google.com> Working in our industry, we get access otherwise denied to the general public. Not wishing to top Doug?s story, my animal stories were not generated by work, but by holiday. A small cruise boat sailed from Durban to Bali, and for various reasons only had 30 on board, it could take 115 guests, so it was like a private yacht! The first stop was Madagascar and we were taken to meet the ring-tailed lemurs. Cute little critters and very tame ? well, the visitors feed them! They love grapes, and delicately peeled them. Their little paws have the opposing thumb, like small hands. They would sit on our shoulders and munch bananas. Komodo dragons were another matter! When I was there, it was thought that it was their saliva that was toxic, but later research discovered that they did have venom sacs behind their bite, which rendered their prey gradually debilitated, with nervous failure. They were viewed in a gully, by us in a wired enclosure. I wanted to get a wild track atmos for my home video, so stayed behind while the rest of the visitors shoved off back to the ship. When all was quiet, the huge lizards started to hiss, which they hadn?t when were there, so that was an extra! Filming in Thailand, our unit nurse ? a super Australian lass ? addressed the crew one lunchtime, and said that although we were working the next day in a known snake infested area, we should not worry if bitten, as she had all the anti-venom serums, however: ? I will want to know what colour it was!?.(Assuming we could take that in, without panic setting in!). Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Doug Puddifoot Sent: 01 February 2021 10:45 To: patheigham; Alec Bray; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In the days of local news programs "London Plus" I had to record an interview with a keeper and his elephant. During the course of the interview, the elephant decided to give me a hug around my neck with his trunk. Unfortunately at the time he had a cold! On another occasion, also at London Zoo, I had to get pictures of animals in the snow. When I arrived back at Lime Grove I discovered I had left the tripod behind. I phoned and was told I could collect it. I imagined the zoo would be a 24 hour operation, but no. As soon as it closes there are just a few security guards. So I was able to wander round an empty zoo with just the animals and the snow. Magic. Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 0CD3EE71077348E2A47E6A2134A4339B.png Type: image/png Size: 492049 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 750AC9B65DBF410C9C25899B4662EBAC.png Type: image/png Size: 586474 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 1 06:34:59 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 12:34:59 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In-Reply-To: <6017ee57.1c69fb81.5f86c.cf39@mx.google.com> References: <6017ee57.1c69fb81.5f86c.cf39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <674B2EF8B2F845FB8BA52B930950D1A3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I?ve just read Pat?s post re the Lemurs, Komodo Dragons etc. where he is responding to Doug?s zoo anecdote, still visible in Pat?s post. However, I never received Doug?s post direct nor did I see my own earlier response to Alec?s original piece. Over recent weeks I have on several occasions found that one or other members? posts didn?t arrive in my inbox but I later saw them as inclusions with a response posting from someone else. I really hesitate over raising this again but I would be interested to see how many others (if any) didn?t get Doug?s post mentioned above. I realise that not seeing my own post is potentially a different issue but in this instance I wonder if it is more than coincidence. Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 12:04 PM To: Doug Puddifoot ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... Working in our industry, we get access otherwise denied to the general public. Not wishing to top Doug?s story, my animal stories were not generated by work, but by holiday. A small cruise boat sailed from Durban to Bali, and for various reasons only had 30 on board, it could take 115 guests, so it was like a private yacht! The first stop was Madagascar and we were taken to meet the ring-tailed lemurs. Cute little critters and very tame ? well, the visitors feed them! They love grapes, and delicately peeled them. Their little paws have the opposing thumb, like small hands. They would sit on our shoulders and munch bananas. Komodo dragons were another matter! When I was there, it was thought that it was their saliva that was toxic, but later research discovered that they did have venom sacs behind their bite, which rendered their prey gradually debilitated, with nervous failure. They were viewed in a gully, by us in a wired enclosure. I wanted to get a wild track atmos for my home video, so stayed behind while the rest of the visitors shoved off back to the ship. When all was quiet, the huge lizards started to hiss, which they hadn?t when were there, so that was an extra! Filming in Thailand, our unit nurse ? a super Australian lass ? addressed the crew one lunchtime, and said that although we were working the next day in a known snake infested area, we should not worry if bitten, as she had all the anti-venom serums, however: ? I will want to know what colour it was!?.(Assuming we could take that in, without panic setting in!). Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Doug Puddifoot Sent: 01 February 2021 10:45 To: patheigham; Alec Bray; mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In the days of local news programs "London Plus" I had to record an interview with a keeper and his elephant. During the course of the interview, the elephant decided to give me a hug around my neck with his trunk. Unfortunately at the time he had a cold! On another occasion, also at London Zoo, I had to get pictures of animals in the snow. When I arrived back at Lime Grove I discovered I had left the tripod behind. I phoned and was told I could collect it. I imagined the zoo would be a 24 hour operation, but no. As soon as it closes there are just a few security guards. So I was able to wander round an empty zoo with just the animals and the snow. Magic. Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Feb 1 07:38:31 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 13:38:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A lot more fun than the Grauniad suggestion. Any idea of location? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 1 Feb 2021, at 08:51, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi all, > > You may have seen some of these clips before - but here they are in one place. > > Linked using WeTransfer to protect your inbox and Bernie's server! > > I've linked 1 file to this email: > > Elephants.mp4(8.3 MB) > > WeTransfer > https://we.tl/t-5btGLnsJqi > Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. > > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 1 11:14:20 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 17:14:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Date Message-ID: <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1@mx.google.com> Think we?ve been down this road earlier, but today is palindromic if it?s written: 1.2.21 Well, one has to try and prevent brains from atrophying in this age of lockdown!! Just ordered some more eniw from citsejam, and a new VT (TV) from POHSTB. The latter was offering a 55? Samsung 4K HD for ?429 ? had to grab that! My current 32? Sony, now a few years old cost ?1500 in 2005. That will be donated to a local charity which recycles stuff to poor families. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 1 11:15:39 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 17:15:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In-Reply-To: <674B2EF8B2F845FB8BA52B930950D1A3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <674B2EF8B2F845FB8BA52B930950D1A3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <096DDE3F-6D44-4C2B-A3F6-FABCFF6C28CF@mac.com> I don?t seem to have Doug?s original message either. Mike G > On 1 Feb 2021, at 12:35, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I?ve just read Pat?s post re the Lemurs, Komodo Dragons etc. where he is responding to Doug?s zoo anecdote, still visible in Pat?s post. However, I never received Doug?s post direct nor did I see my own earlier response to Alec?s original piece. Over recent weeks I have on several occasions found that one or other members? posts didn?t arrive in my inbox but I later saw them as inclusions with a response posting from someone else. > > I really hesitate over raising this again but I would be interested to see how many others (if any) didn?t get Doug?s post mentioned above. I realise that not seeing my own post is potentially a different issue but in this instance I wonder if it is more than coincidence. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > From: patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 12:04 PM > To: Doug Puddifoot ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... > > Working in our industry, we get access otherwise denied to the general public. Not wishing to top Doug?s story, my animal stories were not generated by work, but by holiday. A small cruise boat sailed from Durban to Bali, and for various reasons only had 30 on board, it could take 115 guests, so it was like a private yacht! The first stop was Madagascar and we were taken to meet the ring-tailed lemurs. Cute little critters and very tame ? well, the visitors feed them! They love grapes, and delicately peeled them. Their little paws have the opposing thumb, like small hands. They would sit on our shoulders and munch bananas. Komodo dragons were another matter! When I was there, it was thought that it was their > saliva that was toxic, but later research discovered that they did have venom sacs behind their bite, which rendered their prey gradually debilitated, with nervous failure. They were viewed in a gully, by us in a wired enclosure. I wanted to get a wild track atmos for my home video, so stayed behind while the rest of the visitors shoved off back to the ship. When all was quiet, the huge lizards started to hiss, which they hadn?t when were there, so that was an extra! > > Filming in Thailand, our unit nurse ? a super Australian lass ? addressed the crew one lunchtime, and said that although we were working the next day in a known snake infested area, we should not worry if bitten, as she had all the anti-venom serums, however: ? I will want to know what colour it was!?.(Assuming we could take that in, without panic setting in!). > Best > Pat > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Doug Puddifoot > Sent: 01 February 2021 10:45 > To: patheigham; Alec Bray; mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... > > In the days of local news programs "London Plus" I had to record an interview with a keeper and his elephant. During the course of the interview, the elephant decided to give me a hug around my neck with his trunk. Unfortunately at the time he had a cold! On another occasion, also at London Zoo, I had to get pictures of animals in the snow. When I arrived back at Lime Grove I discovered I had left the tripod behind. I phoned and was told I could collect it. I imagined the zoo would be a 24 hour operation, but no. As soon as it closes there are just a few security guards. So I was able to wander round an empty zoo with just the animals and the snow. Magic. > > Doug > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Think we?ve been down this road earlier, but today is palindromic if it?s written: 1.2.21 Well, one has to try and prevent brains from atrophying in this age of lockdown!! Just ordered some more eniw from citsejam, and a new VT (TV) from POHSTB. The latter was offering a 55? Samsung 4K HD for ?429 ? had to grab that! My current 32? Sony, now a few years old cost ?1500 in 2005. That will be donated to a local charity which recycles stuff to poor families. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Feb 1 12:47:48 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 18:47:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Date In-Reply-To: References: <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <541733C1-970F-41F1-BC83-AB3E3B173D0C@icloud.com> British Heart Foundation will often take electrical items as they have registered PAT testers. ? Graeme Wall > On 1 Feb 2021, at 18:19, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > Most charities and charity shops aren?t allowed to accept electrical goods without a PAT certificate, and even then, most won?t. (But I guess you are a walking talking PAT test!). You certainly test my PATience! (Only joking!) > How does one define a ?poor family? in these challenging times? If it?s not job loss, or flammable cladding, or kids with absent fathers, or massive mortgages and no income - or pension funds that didn?t live up to expectation - what else? > I think most of us qualify, one way or another. (But no, I don?t want your cast-off TV, thanks). > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 1 Feb 2021, at 17:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Think we?ve been down this road earlier, but today is palindromic if it?s written: >> 1.2.21 >> >> Well, one has to try and prevent brains from atrophying in this age of lockdown!! >> Just ordered some more eniw from citsejam, and a new VT (TV) from POHSTB. The latter was offering a 55? Samsung 4K HD for ?429 ? had to grab that! >> My current 32? Sony, now a few years old cost ?1500 in 2005. >> That will be donated to a local charity which recycles stuff to poor families. >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Feb 1 13:01:44 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 19:01:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Date In-Reply-To: <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1@mx.google.com> References: <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58f818b297davesound@btinternet.com> Hope it's better than my previous large screen set which was a Samsung. Replaced by a Panasonic. The picture out of the box was terrible. And seemed to defeat normal setting up. Eventually managed to get it reasonable after Googling the model. The software was anything but intuitive. It also broke down just outside warranty. Power supply. Got a used board off Ebay - a new one was uneconomic. To be fair, I've got a 24" in the workshop which is OK. In article <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Think we?ve been down this road earlier, but today is palindromic if > it?s written: 1.2.21 > Well, one has to try and prevent brains from atrophying in this age of > lockdown!! Just ordered some more eniw from citsejam, and a new VT (TV) > from POHSTB. The latter was offering a 55? Samsung 4K HD for ?429 ? had > to grab that! My current 32? Sony, now a few years old cost ?1500 in > 2005. That will be donated to a local charity which recycles stuff to > poor families. Pat > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > -- > This ema -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 1 13:10:54 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 19:10:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Date In-Reply-To: References: <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6018523d.1c69fb81.263ec.340b@mx.google.com> Not to worry, Nick. The agency that I know has a properly equipped PAT testing system for electrical goods, as they handle most items of that nature. I wouldn?t entertain sending it out otherwise and I was equally concerned about the correct safety certification. As to who benefits ? that?s the prerogative of the charity, I know not as to how stuff is re-distributed, but I reckon it?s done fairly. It would please me that someone gets the TV and would appreciate it, rather than it getting tipped in the dump. I wouldn?t pass my TV to you, anyway, you are well off enough to afford your own! Petur Jorgensson Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 01 February 2021 18:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Date Most charities and charity shops aren?t allowed to accept electrical goods without a PAT certificate, and even then, most won?t. (But I guess you are a walking talking PAT test!). You certainly test my PATience! (Only joking!) How does one define a ?poor family? in these challenging times? If it?s not job loss, or flammable cladding, or kids with absent fathers, or massive mortgages and no income - or pension funds that didn?t live up to expectation - what else? I think most of us qualify, one way or another. (But no, I don?t want your cast-off TV, thanks). Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 1 13:28:17 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 19:28:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Date In-Reply-To: <58f818b297davesound@btinternet.com> References: <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1@mx.google.com>, <58f818b297davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Most TV?s are delivered in ?shop mode?. Did you set it to normal, or whatever the custom mode is described as? We?re Panny for our main TV, but Samsung in kitchen and ?snug?. All custom set up as I would expect. Shop mode is high contrast, high chroma and overly garish, to look impressive (allegedly) in shop windows, PC World etc. (The TV equivalent of compressing the hell out of pop music so that it sounded better and louder than the competition on Top of the Pops!) Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 1 Feb 2021, at 19:05, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Hope it's better than my previous large screen set which was a Samsung. > Replaced by a Panasonic. The picture out of the box was terrible. And > seemed to defeat normal setting up. Eventually managed to get it > reasonable after Googling the model. The software was anything but > intuitive. It also broke down just outside warranty. Power supply. Got a > used board off Ebay - a new one was uneconomic. To be fair, I've got a 24" > in the workshop which is OK. > > > In article <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Think we've been down this road earlier, but today is palindromic if >> it's written: 1.2.21 > >> Well, one has to try and prevent brains from atrophying in this age of >> lockdown!! Just ordered some more eniw from citsejam, and a new VT (TV) >> from POHSTB. The latter was offering a 55. Samsung 4K HD for ?429 - had >> to grab that! My current 32. Sony, now a few years old cost ?1500 in >> 2005. That will be donated to a local charity which recycles stuff to >> poor families. Pat > >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > >> -- >> This ema > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 1 13:53:00 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2021 19:53:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV's (was Date) In-Reply-To: <58f818b297davesound@btinternet.com> References: <601836ec.1c69fb81.d1688.16a1@mx.google.com> <58f818b297davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <60185c1b.1c69fb81.36548.4457@mx.google.com> I hope so, too! Being BBC trained, I have a critical eye, so if not right, it goes straight back! I have a 22? one in the bedroom (down, boy!), which is perfect. Bought the same model for a friend?s kitchen. I?ve always been a fan of Sony and Panasonic kit, the TV?s were Sony, but I had two Panasonic S-VHS recorders which had a very cute editing function, even to the extent of having a jog wheel to find the optimum frame. Sadly the heads wore and it became impossible to keep them going. Now have a Panasonic projector which caters for Hi-Def onto a nine foot screen when I run film shows for friends. (the attached pic is of my 6 foot one, in my friend?s dining room) I did manage to install the 9? one for Fiddler on the Roof, as it was shot in squeezed Panavision. The players I use are Sony BluRay, with two 7? monitors for cueing up the films ? I enjoy making a professional presentation as they might get a Tom & Jerry first! Audio goes via my SQN mixer to my chum?s hi fi, which is conveniently in the room, in the right place. All good fun and the shows seem to be much enjoyed. The other pics are of an open-air screening (9?) when I ran 16mm. I have a library of seven or so prints of movies I worked on, including anamorphic ones of Fiddler and a Bond. But the sound off BluRay discs is so much better than 16mm com-opt! You might wonder why the big screen has guy ropes ? it blew over the first time we put it up! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 01 February 2021 19:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Date Hope it's better than my previous large screen set which was a Samsung. Replaced by a Panasonic. The picture out of the box was terrible. And seemed to defeat normal setting up. Eventually managed to get it reasonable after Googling the model. The software was anything but intuitive. It also broke down just outside warranty. Power supply. Got a used board off Ebay - a new one was uneconomic. 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In-Reply-To: <096DDE3F-6D44-4C2B-A3F6-FABCFF6C28CF@mac.com> References: <674B2EF8B2F845FB8BA52B930950D1A3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <096DDE3F-6D44-4C2B-A3F6-FABCFF6C28CF@mac.com> Message-ID: <5mvkLZcXLzQDO8oknKrABhJJM2f4z2SL1NQHdV54y1miJs_h4h_jciGxMCMRYXh08wFeC16T5beJKM-FWL_cDeQAC99pSXQ7D8AXXpZVqkE=@protonmail.com> Neither do I! And I quite often find out from people's replies that I've missed some posts, so at least it's not just my system. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 1 February 2021 17:15, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I don?t seem to have Doug?s original message either. > > Mike G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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KW On Mon, 1 Feb 2021 at 20:18, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > ... I quite often find out from people's replies that I've missed some > posts, so at least it's not just my system. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Monday, 1 February 2021 17:15, Mike Giles via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > I don?t seem to have Doug?s original message either. > > Mike G > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Feb 1 23:14:43 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 05:14:43 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In-Reply-To: <096DDE3F-6D44-4C2B-A3F6-FABCFF6C28CF@mac.com> References: <674B2EF8B2F845FB8BA52B930950D1A3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <096DDE3F-6D44-4C2B-A3F6-FABCFF6C28CF@mac.com> Message-ID: <727018684.162458.1612242883726@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Feb 2 03:13:41 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:13:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... In-Reply-To: <727018684.162458.1612242883726@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <727018684.162458.1612242883726@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <73AB7569-F2CA-442C-9454-3A686AFBF1E7@mac.com> I think I know what you mean Nick, but your reply is open to interpretation! Mike G > On 2 Feb 2021, at 05:15, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Nor I! > > With best wishes, > > Nick WAY >>> On 01/02/2021 17:15 Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> I don?t seem to have Doug?s original message either. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> On 1 Feb 2021, at 12:35, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I?ve just read Pat?s post re the Lemurs, Komodo Dragons etc. where he is responding to Doug?s zoo anecdote, still visible in Pat?s post. However, I never received Doug?s post direct nor did I see my own earlier response to Alec?s original piece. Over recent weeks I have on several occasions found that one or other members? posts didn?t arrive in my inbox but I later saw them as inclusions with a response posting from someone else. >>> >>> I really hesitate over raising this again but I would be interested to see how many others (if any) didn?t get Doug?s post mentioned above. I realise that not seeing my own post is potentially a different issue but in this instance I wonder if it is more than coincidence. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: patheigham via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 12:04 PM >>> To: Doug Puddifoot ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... >>> >>> Working in our industry, we get access otherwise denied to the general public. Not wishing to top Doug?s story, my animal stories were not generated by work, but by holiday. A small cruise boat sailed from Durban to Bali, and for various reasons only had 30 on board, it could take 115 guests, so it was like a private yacht! The first stop was Madagascar and we were taken to meet the ring-tailed lemurs. Cute little critters and very tame ? well, the visitors feed them! They love grapes, and delicately peeled them. Their little paws have the opposing thumb, like small hands. They would sit on our shoulders and munch bananas. Komodo dragons were another matter! When I was there, it was thought that it was their >>> >>> saliva that was toxic, but later research discovered that they did have venom sacs behind their bite, which rendered their prey gradually debilitated, with nervous failure. They were viewed in a gully, by us in a wired enclosure. I wanted to get a wild track atmos for my home video, so stayed behind while the rest of the visitors shoved off back to the ship. When all was quiet, the huge lizards started to hiss, which they hadn?t when were there, so that was an extra! >>> >>> >>> >>> Filming in Thailand, our unit nurse ? a super Australian lass ? addressed the crew one lunchtime, and said that although we were working the next day in a known snake infested area, we should not worry if bitten, as she had all the anti-venom serums, however: ? I will want to know what colour it was!?.(Assuming we could take that in, without panic setting in!). >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Doug Puddifoot >>> Sent: 01 February 2021 10:45 >>> To: patheigham; Alec Bray; mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ... >>> >>> >>> >>> In the days of local news programs "London Plus" I had to record an interview with a keeper and his elephant. During the course of the interview, the elephant decided to give me a hug around my neck with his trunk. Unfortunately at the time he had a cold! On another occasion, also at London Zoo, I had to get pictures of animals in the snow. When I arrived back at Lime Grove I discovered I had left the tripod behind. I phoned and was told I could collect it. I imagined the zoo would be a 24 hour operation, but no. As soon as it closes there are just a few security guards. So I was able to wander round an empty zoo with just the animals and the snow. Magic. >>> >>> >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Feb 2 05:11:43 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 11:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails Message-ID: I did not see my own post bounce back although I usually do. I email from an Amazon Fire tablet, and hit the "Reply All" button to do so. The result of this in the "To" section varies. First is the the address of the person you are replying to, that was Pat so he got a direct email. Sometimes the following addresses are tacked on in "To" box, and sometimes they are put in the "CC" box. Tech1 always seems to be the last of the list. On the missing email, Tech1 was the third address in "To" box. Looking at past emails I have sent, that is unusual. However, looking at the Tech1 archives, the email is there, so everyone should have got it. I suspect some obscure bug, and maybe making sure "Tech1" is the first "To" address might cure it, or it might just remain as one of life's great mysteries. Doug From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Feb 2 05:28:10 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:28:10 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E011BE2D2DE48ED813DB3F264C4A02E@NewOffice> As a follow-up to my last email, anyone who thinks that they have missed emails should go here. http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/ Click on "Date" of the month you want and you can read anything you have missed. Listed earliest to latest. It is archived as text only, so no Pics. Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Feb 2 05:52:18 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 11:52:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails In-Reply-To: <0E011BE2D2DE48ED813DB3F264C4A02E@NewOffice> References: <0E011BE2D2DE48ED813DB3F264C4A02E@NewOffice> Message-ID: Was the problem the missing dot after ?tech-ops? in Pat?s email? See below; "From: patheigham via Tech1 > > Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 12:04 PM > To: Doug Puddifoot ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ?" Barry. On 2 Feb 2021, at 11:28, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > As a follow-up to my last email, anyone who thinks that they have missed emails should go here. > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/ > > Click on "Date" of the month you want and you can read anything you have missed. Listed earliest to latest. It is archived as text only, so no Pics. > > Doug > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Feb 2 08:13:56 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 14:13:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] E-mails In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup. It seems to behave unlike any other email group I've used - although they are getting rare these days. Here's a pic I get in my prog when doing one straightforward reply to group. But also seems to vary from post to post. Doing the same on this one showed two nearly identical addresses in the To field, and none in CC. In article , Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > I did not see my own post bounce back although I usually do. I email > from an Amazon Fire tablet, and hit the "Reply All" button to do so. The > result of this in the "To" section varies. First is the the address of > the person you are replying to, that was Pat so he got a direct email. > Sometimes the following addresses are tacked on in "To" box, and > sometimes they are put in the "CC" box. Tech1 always seems to be the > last of the list. On the missing email, Tech1 was the third address in > "To" box. Looking at past emails I have sent, that is unusual. However, > looking at the Tech1 archives, the email is there, so everyone should > have got it. I suspect some obscure bug, and maybe making sure "Tech1" > is the first "To" address might cure it, or it might just remain as one > of life's great mysteries. > Doug -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TechOps.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 32216 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com Tue Feb 2 08:34:58 2021 From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (John Barlow) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:34:58 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Format and HD? Message-ID: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> The other night I enjoyed "Cilla at the BBC". Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at the TV Theatre. JohnB -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JohnB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 08:56:03 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 14:56:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Format and HD? In-Reply-To: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> References: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> Message-ID: <26eb905e-6a75-9a65-b39c-16019403eef7@ntlworld.com> You have to zoom in, and do it correctly so that the result is properly framed in context. Quite often they just do a straight zoom in and lose the tops of the heads, even though each shot needs individual attention. B On 02/02/2021 14:34, John Barlow via Tech1 wrote: > > The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. > > Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The > original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at the TV > Theatre. > > JohnB > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Feb 2 09:06:24 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:06:24 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails In-Reply-To: References: <0E011BE2D2DE48ED813DB3F264C4A02E@NewOffice> Message-ID: Well spotted Barry. I have searched the headers of several emails, but cannot find where this error originated. Here it is on another email that is nothing to do with me. In the header however, the to is listed as ?To: "tech1 at tech-ops co. uk" tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk? So I guess the first part is just a name that is hiding in a contacts list somewhere with the correct email address. Doug From: Barry Bonner Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 11:52 AM To: Puddifoot(Doug) Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] E-mails Was the problem the missing dot after ?tech-ops? in Pat?s email? See below; "From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 12:04 PM To: Doug Puddifoot ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ?" Barry. On 2 Feb 2021, at 11:28, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: As a follow-up to my last email, anyone who thinks that they have missed emails should go here. http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/ Click on "Date" of the month you want and you can read anything you have missed. Listed earliest to latest. It is archived as text only, so no Pics. Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot%202021-02-02%20144929.png[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 13320 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 09:29:14 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:29:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails In-Reply-To: References: <0E011BE2D2DE48ED813DB3F264C4A02E@NewOffice> Message-ID: Hi Chaps Can you explain this in more detail, please? The system runs on GNU Mailman - https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/? - a quite old, but still maintained mailing system. I access the control panel via cPanel on the main tech-ops.co.uk system.? I can do quite a lot of stuff with tech-ops.co.uk, mail being a small part.? Site5 - https://www.site5.com/ - provides the hosting, and I pay for it bi-annually. So - tech1 could be a mailing list, or a forum, or one could just start a private Facebook group, or a WhatsApp chat group, or whatever.? Long ago I set this up as a forum, but the admin was a bit boring, as people seemed unable to work it. I also tried Dada Mail, whcih works fine, but Mailman seems to be the least worst option, as it's been running for ages now B . On 02/02/2021 15:06, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > Well spotted Barry. I have searched the headers of several emails, but > cannot find where this error originated. Here it is on another email > that is nothing to do with me. > Screenshot 2021-02-02 144929.png > In the header however,? the to is listed as ?To: "tech1 at tech-ops co. > uk" tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ? So I guess the > first part is just a name that is hiding in a contacts list somewhere > with the correct email address. > Doug > *From:* Barry Bonner > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 2, 2021 11:52 AM > *To:* Puddifoot(Doug) > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] E-mails > Was the problem the missing dot after ?tech-ops? in Pat?s email? See > below; > *"From:*patheigham via Tech1 >> *Sent:* Monday, February 1, 2021 12:04 PM >> *To:* Doug Puddifoot ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ?" > Barry. > > > On 2 Feb 2021, at 11:28, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 > wrote: > >> As a follow-up to my last email, anyone who thinks that they have >> missed emails should go here. >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/ >> >> >> Click on "Date" of the month you want and you can read anything you >> have missed. Listed earliest to latest. 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The system runs on GNU Mailman - https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/? - a quite old, but still maintained mailing system. I access the control panel via cPanel on the main tech-ops.co.uk system.? I can do quite a lot of stuff with tech-ops.co.uk, mail being a small part.? Site5 - https://www.site5.com/ - provides the hosting, and I pay for it bi-annually. So - tech1 could be a mailing list, or a forum, or one could just start a private Facebook group, or a WhatsApp chat group, or whatever.? Long ago I set this up as a forum, but the admin was a bit boring, as people seemed unable to work it. I also tried Dada Mail, whcih works fine, but Mailman seems to be the least worst option, as it's been running for ages now B ?. ??? ? ? On 02/02/2021 15:06, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: Well spotted Barry. I have searched the headers of several emails, but cannot find where this error originated. Here it is on another email that is nothing to do with me. ? ?? ? In the header however,? the to is listed as ?To: "tech1 at tech-ops co. uk" tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk? So I guess the first part is just a name that is hiding in a contacts list somewhere with the correct email address. ? Doug ? ? ? ? From: Barry Bonner Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 11:52 AM To: Puddifoot(Doug) Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] E-mails ? Was the problem the missing dot after ?tech-ops? in Pat?s email? See below; ? "From:?patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 12:04 PM To:?Doug Puddifoot ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] (hopefully) to brighten up your day ?" Barry. ? On 2 Feb 2021, at 11:28, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: As a follow-up to my last email, anyone who thinks that they have missed emails should go here. http://tech-ops.co.uk/pipermail/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk/ Click on "Date" of the month you want and you can read anything you have missed. Listed earliest to latest. It is archived as text only, so no Pics. Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 10:45:00 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 16:45:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Format and HD? In-Reply-To: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> References: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> Message-ID: I can't answer your question, but I did have a problem with this programme that has never occurred before. I usually record anything I might be interested in and watch later. I record on my Mac, using an EyeTV Diversity stick and running EyeTV 3 version 3.6.9 software. No problems with quality, but I did my standard conversion to mp4 using Handbrake and the mp4 file would not play properly. A frozen frame at the start, although the sound was OK, and later the video worked too, but the audio was badly out of sync (by many minutes, I think). I tried exporting the file from EyeTV format to mp4, and got the following message: [image: mp4 warning from EyeTV.png] The original EyeTV file occupied 3.1 GB of disc space. The mp4 file took up about 500 MB. Apparently, I usually convert to the simple form of mp4, but the high data rate of this recording requires something better. EyeTV provided that and I ended up with a satisfactory conversion. I am sending this message in case any of the above data provides a clue to the answer you are seeking. KW On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 14:35, John Barlow via Tech1 wrote: > The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. > > > > Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The original > broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at the TV Theatre. > > > > JohnB > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mp4 warning from EyeTV.png Type: image/png Size: 57345 bytes Desc: not available URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Feb 2 10:59:19 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 16:59:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Format and HD? In-Reply-To: References: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> Message-ID: <000901d6f984$bf8b1210$3ea13630$@pgtmedia.co.uk> The only option is crop top and/or bottom (Pan and scan if you have the time & money) Assuming enough head or foot room this looks fine (But is obviously not ?as the director intended? or camera man framed it) On the plus side any just in the top of frame booms will be gone! Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 02 February 2021 16:45 To: John Barlow Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Format and HD? I can't answer your question, but I did have a problem with this programme that has never occurred before. I usually record anything I might be interested in and watch later. I record on my Mac, using an EyeTV Diversity stick and running EyeTV 3 version 3.6.9 software. No problems with quality, but I did my standard conversion to mp4 using Handbrake and the mp4 file would not play properly. A frozen frame at the start, although the sound was OK, and later the video worked too, but the audio was badly out of sync (by many minutes, I think). I tried exporting the file from EyeTV format to mp4, and got the following message: The original EyeTV file occupied 3.1 GB of disc space. The mp4 file took up about 500 MB. Apparently, I usually convert to the simple form of mp4, but the high data rate of this recording requires something better. EyeTV provided that and I ended up with a satisfactory conversion. I am sending this message in case any of the above data provides a clue to the answer you are seeking. KW On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 14:35, John Barlow via Tech1 > wrote: The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at the TV Theatre. JohnB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 63499 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Feb 2 10:52:39 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 16:52:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Format and HD? In-Reply-To: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> References: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> Message-ID: <58f890b844davesound@btinternet.com> In article <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com>, John Barlow via Tech1 wrote: > The other night I enjoyed "Cilla at the BBC". > > Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The original > broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at the TV Theatre. You can just 'zoom in' to 16x9 - but would loose quite a bit of the picture. Perhaps they now have clever software which can do something better? But I'd expect artifacts somewhere? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 12:21:24 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 18:21:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Format and HD? In-Reply-To: <000901d6f984$bf8b1210$3ea13630$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> <000901d6f984$bf8b1210$3ea13630$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <4d9a6884-c94e-48c1-9aa4-c9f4a34fa9a4@gmail.com> Here's an example. First the original 4:3 in a 16:9 timeline, then the zoomed version. In the zoomed version each shot is reframed slightly to get the best result. Sorry about the actual picture quality - I should really have gone back to the original 2" - sorry, miniDV? - to get the best result. http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.m4v B On 02/02/2021 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > > The only option is crop top and/or bottom (Pan and scan if you have > the time & money) > > Assuming enough head or foot room this looks fine (But is obviously > not ?as the director intended? or camera man framed it) > > On the plus side any just in the top of frame booms will be gone! > > Paul > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Keith Wicks > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 02 February 2021 16:45 > *To:* John Barlow > *Cc:* tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Format and HD? > > I can't answer your question,? but I did have a problem with this > programme that has never occurred before. > > I usually record anything I might be interested in and watch later. I > record on my Mac, using an EyeTV Diversity stick and running EyeTV 3 > version 3.6.9 software. No problems with quality,? but I did my > standard conversion to mp4 using Handbrake and the mp4 file would not > play properly. A frozen frame at the start, although the sound was OK, > and later the video worked too, but the audio was badly out of sync > (by many minutes, I think). I tried exporting the file from EyeTV > format to mp4, and got the following message: > > The original EyeTV file occupied 3.1 GB of disc space. The mp4 file > took up about 500 MB. Apparently, I usually convert to the simple form > of mp4, but the high data rate of this recording requires something > better. EyeTV provided that and I ended up with a satisfactory > conversion. I am sending this message in case any of the above data > provides a clue to the answer you are seeking. > > KW > > On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 14:35, John Barlow via Tech1 > > wrote: > > The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. > > Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The > original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at the > TV Theatre. > > JohnB > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 63499 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 12:25:04 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 18:25:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Format and HD? In-Reply-To: <4d9a6884-c94e-48c1-9aa4-c9f4a34fa9a4@gmail.com> References: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> <000901d6f984$bf8b1210$3ea13630$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <4d9a6884-c94e-48c1-9aa4-c9f4a34fa9a4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5b93a296-dad1-2eab-ae6e-fcd8eebe7ca6@gmail.com> Sorry - wrong version - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.mp4 B On 02/02/2021 18:21, Bernard Newnham wrote: > Here's an example. First the original 4:3 in a 16:9 timeline, then the > zoomed version. In the zoomed version each shot is reframed slightly > to get the best result. > > Sorry about the actual picture quality - I should really have gone > back to the original 2" - sorry, miniDV? - to get the best result. > > http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.m4v > > B > > > > On 02/02/2021 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: >> >> The only option is crop top and/or bottom (Pan and scan if you have >> the time & money) >> >> Assuming enough head or foot room this looks fine (But is obviously >> not ?as the director intended? or camera man framed it) >> >> On the plus side any just in the top of frame booms will be gone! >> >> Paul >> >> Paul Thackray >> >> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >> >> 07802 243979 >> >> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >> >> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >> >> >> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >> >> >> *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Keith >> Wicks via Tech1 >> *Sent:* 02 February 2021 16:45 >> *To:* John Barlow >> *Cc:* tech1 >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Format and HD? >> >> I can't answer your question, but I did have a problem with this >> programme that has never occurred before. >> >> I usually record anything I might be interested in and watch later. I >> record on my Mac, using an EyeTV Diversity stick and running EyeTV 3 >> version 3.6.9 software. No problems with quality, but I did my >> standard conversion to mp4 using Handbrake and the mp4 file would not >> play properly. A frozen frame at the start, although the sound was >> OK, and later the video worked too, but the audio was badly out of >> sync (by many minutes, I think). I tried exporting the file from >> EyeTV format to mp4, and got the following message: >> >> The original EyeTV file occupied 3.1 GB of disc space. The mp4 file >> took up about 500 MB. Apparently, I usually convert to the simple >> form of mp4, but the high data rate of this recording requires >> something better. EyeTV provided that and I ended up with a >> satisfactory conversion. I am sending this message in case any of the >> above data provides a clue to the answer you are seeking. >> >> KW >> >> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 14:35, John Barlow via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. >> >> Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The >> original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at >> the TV Theatre. >> >> JohnB >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 63499 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 13:37:36 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 19:37:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Third time lucky?? Format and HD In-Reply-To: <5b93a296-dad1-2eab-ae6e-fcd8eebe7ca6@gmail.com> References: <02ee01d6f970$94ce74e0$be6b5ea0$@btopenworld.com> <000901d6f984$bf8b1210$3ea13630$@pgtmedia.co.uk> <4d9a6884-c94e-48c1-9aa4-c9f4a34fa9a4@gmail.com> <5b93a296-dad1-2eab-ae6e-fcd8eebe7ca6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Never rush at complicated things! The new version of the demo is at - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip2.mp4 The first section is in the original 4:3? 720x576 with a 1920x1080 16:9 surround.? The second version is zoomed in, and each shot is adjusted to make the best compromise on framing. Made in DaVinci Resolve. B On 02/02/2021 18:25, Bernard Newnham wrote: > Sorry - wrong version - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.mp4 > > B > > > > On 02/02/2021 18:21, Bernard Newnham wrote: >> Here's an example. First the original 4:3 in a 16:9 timeline, then >> the zoomed version. In the zoomed version each shot is reframed >> slightly to get the best result. >> >> Sorry about the actual picture quality - I should really have gone >> back to the original 2" - sorry, miniDV? - to get the best result. >> >> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.m4v >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 02/02/2021 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> The only option is crop top and/or bottom (Pan and scan if you have >>> the time & money) >>> >>> Assuming enough head or foot room this looks fine (But is obviously >>> not ?as the director intended? or camera man framed it) >>> >>> On the plus side any just in the top of frame booms will be gone! >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> Paul Thackray >>> >>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >>> >>> 07802 243979 >>> >>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >>> >>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >>> >>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >>> >>> >>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >>> >>> >>> *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Keith >>> Wicks via Tech1 >>> *Sent:* 02 February 2021 16:45 >>> *To:* John Barlow >>> *Cc:* tech1 >>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Format and HD? >>> >>> I can't answer your question, but I did have a problem with this >>> programme that has never occurred before. >>> >>> I usually record anything I might be interested in and watch later. >>> I record on my Mac, using an EyeTV Diversity stick and running EyeTV >>> 3 version 3.6.9 software. No problems with quality,? but I did my >>> standard conversion to mp4 using Handbrake and the mp4 file would >>> not play properly. A frozen frame at the start, although the sound >>> was OK, and later the video worked too, but the audio was badly out >>> of sync (by many minutes, I think). I tried exporting the file from >>> EyeTV format to mp4, and got the following message: >>> >>> The original EyeTV file occupied 3.1 GB of disc space. The mp4 file >>> took up about 500 MB. Apparently, I usually convert to the simple >>> form of mp4, but the high data rate of this recording requires >>> something better. EyeTV provided that and I ended up with a >>> satisfactory conversion. I am sending this message in case any of >>> the above data provides a clue to the answer you are seeking. >>> >>> KW >>> >>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 14:35, John Barlow via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. >>> >>> Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. >>> The original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot >>> at the TV Theatre. >>> >>> JohnB >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 63499 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Feb 2 15:12:10 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 21:12:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Third time lucky?? Format and HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: So why do they so often get it so wrong? A few days ago I thought I might watch some classic Emmerdale episodes that I had worked on. Being shown on ITV4 (or whatever), but they were old 4x3 episodes, uncaringly stretched to 16x9. So, as far I was concerned that was an instant turn-off. Such a shame. I used to love doing blocks as SS on that show, both in the studio and out on the Harewood Estate, Red Kites hovering overhead. Not quite such fun in the cold Winter weather though. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 2 Feb 2021, at 19:38, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Never rush at complicated things! The new version of the demo is at - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip2.mp4 The first section is in the original 4:3 720x576 with a 1920x1080 16:9 surround. The second version is zoomed in, and each shot is adjusted to make the best compromise on framing. Made in DaVinci Resolve. B On 02/02/2021 18:25, Bernard Newnham wrote: Sorry - wrong version - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.mp4 B On 02/02/2021 18:21, Bernard Newnham wrote: Here's an example. First the original 4:3 in a 16:9 timeline, then the zoomed version. In the zoomed version each shot is reframed slightly to get the best result. Sorry about the actual picture quality - I should really have gone back to the original 2" - sorry, miniDV - to get the best result. http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.m4v B On 02/02/2021 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: The only option is crop top and/or bottom (Pan and scan if you have the time & money) Assuming enough head or foot room this looks fine (But is obviously not ?as the director intended? or camera man framed it) On the plus side any just in the top of frame booms will be gone! Paul Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 02 February 2021 16:45 To: John Barlow Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Format and HD? I can't answer your question, but I did have a problem with this programme that has never occurred before. I usually record anything I might be interested in and watch later. I record on my Mac, using an EyeTV Diversity stick and running EyeTV 3 version 3.6.9 software. No problems with quality, but I did my standard conversion to mp4 using Handbrake and the mp4 file would not play properly. A frozen frame at the start, although the sound was OK, and later the video worked too, but the audio was badly out of sync (by many minutes, I think). I tried exporting the file from EyeTV format to mp4, and got the following message: [cid:part11.C04936C3.C7066043 at gmail.com] The original EyeTV file occupied 3.1 GB of disc space. The mp4 file took up about 500 MB. Apparently, I usually convert to the simple form of mp4, but the high data rate of this recording requires something better. EyeTV provided that and I ended up with a satisfactory conversion. I am sending this message in case any of the above data provides a clue to the answer you are seeking. KW On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 14:35, John Barlow via Tech1 > wrote: The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. The original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly shot at the TV Theatre. JohnB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 63499 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 2 16:11:27 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 22:11:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Third time lucky?? Format and HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ed0c219-1a67-c82e-a4d2-85d46c9a80e8@gmail.com> Money! And lack of technical knowledge on the part of the 20 somethings paid next to nothing to do the job. Looking at the material in my demo, the picture quality isn't up to much. It's reasonably OK at 720x576, but it really doesn't scale up well.? Thinking it through, the file I used was an mp4, just meant for watching. To get the best out of it I would need to go back to the rushes (here somewhere) and copy it across in native DV format. I have a deck that Gary Critcher gave me before he emigrated, so If I could get my PC to recognise the 1394 PCi card again, I could do that.? Resolve only likes DVCPro, but I think Premiere CS6 will input from DV. That would give me effectively mid-90s broadcast quality as a start mark, and hopefully give a better scale up. B On 02/02/2021 21:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > So why do they so often get it so wrong? A few days ago I thought I > might watch some classic Emmerdale episodes that I had worked on. > Being shown on ITV4 (or whatever), but they were old 4x3 episodes, > uncaringly stretched to 16x9. So, as far I was concerned that was an > instant turn-off. Such a shame. I used to love doing blocks as SS on > that show, both in the studio and out on the Harewood Estate, Red > Kites hovering overhead. Not quite such fun in the cold Winter weather > though. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 2 Feb 2021, at 19:38, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? Never rush at complicated things! >> >> The new version of the demo is at - >> >> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip2.mp4 >> >> The first section is in the original 4:3? 720x576 with a 1920x1080 >> 16:9 surround.? The second version is zoomed in, and each shot is >> adjusted to make the best compromise on framing. >> >> Made in DaVinci Resolve. >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 02/02/2021 18:25, Bernard Newnham wrote: >>> Sorry - wrong version - >>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.mp4 >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 02/02/2021 18:21, Bernard Newnham wrote: >>>> Here's an example. First the original 4:3 in a 16:9 timeline, then >>>> the zoomed version. In the zoomed version each shot is reframed >>>> slightly to get the best result. >>>> >>>> Sorry about the actual picture quality - I should really have gone >>>> back to the original 2" - sorry, miniDV? - to get the best result. >>>> >>>> http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/california_clip.m4v >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/02/2021 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The only option is crop top and/or bottom (Pan and scan if you >>>>> have the time & money) >>>>> >>>>> Assuming enough head or foot room this looks fine (But is >>>>> obviously not ?as the director intended? or camera man framed it) >>>>> >>>>> On the plus side any just in the top of frame booms will be gone! >>>>> >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> Paul Thackray >>>>> >>>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. >>>>> >>>>> 07802 243979 >>>>> >>>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Keith >>>>> Wicks via Tech1 >>>>> *Sent:* 02 February 2021 16:45 >>>>> *To:* John Barlow >>>>> *Cc:* tech1 >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Format and HD? >>>>> >>>>> I can't answer your question,? but I did have a problem with this >>>>> programme that has never occurred before. >>>>> >>>>> I usually record anything I might be interested in and watch >>>>> later. I record on my Mac, using an EyeTV Diversity stick and >>>>> running EyeTV 3 version 3.6.9 software. No problems with quality, >>>>> but I did my standard conversion to mp4 using Handbrake and the >>>>> mp4 file would not play properly. A frozen frame at the start, >>>>> although the sound was OK, and later the video worked too, but the >>>>> audio was badly out of sync (by many minutes, I think). I tried >>>>> exporting the file from EyeTV format to mp4, and got the following >>>>> message: >>>>> >>>>> The original EyeTV file occupied 3.1 GB of disc space. The mp4 >>>>> file took up about 500 MB. Apparently, I usually convert to the >>>>> simple form of mp4, but the high data rate of this recording >>>>> requires something better. EyeTV provided that and I ended up with >>>>> a satisfactory conversion. I am sending this message in case any >>>>> of the above data provides a clue to the answer you are seeking. >>>>> >>>>> KW >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2021 at 14:35, John Barlow via Tech1 >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The other night I enjoyed ?Cilla at the BBC?. >>>>> >>>>> Can someone explain how this was in 16:9 with no distortions. >>>>> The original broadcasts were in the 70s and 80s and mostly >>>>> shot at the TV Theatre. >>>>> >>>>> JohnB >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike G From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Feb 3 09:26:50 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 15:26:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Maybe of interest In-Reply-To: <601aa4dd.1c69fb81.5e88a.3672@mx.google.com> References: <601aa4dd.1c69fb81.5e88a.3672@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002301d6fa40$fee68720$fcb39560$@gmail.com> Taken over by Boris and his chums From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 03 February 2021 13:28 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Maybe of interest BBC1 16:30 today 03/02/21 ? The Bidding Room ? a 1940?s style microphone, and a vintage train set. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Feb 4 06:49:14 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:49:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tale of woe Message-ID: <601bed4a.1c69fb81.92d48.9043@mx.google.com> Want to hear a tale of woe? No? Well here it is anyway! I could do with a new TV, so when BT Shop came in with a deal on a Samsung 55? for ?429, I ordered one. When it arrived, it was obviously far too large for my sitting room, so I needed to send it back. Corresponding with BT Shop Customer Services was less than helpful, although they were pretending to be. Merely gave me the address to return it to (at my expense, as it was classed as unwanted, rather than faulty). No further help regarding collection. DHL who had made the initial delivery, didn?t want to know as it was oversize (apparently it was shipped directly from the supplier, so BT shop washed their hands of it). Ditto DPD, as being too large. So, resorted to Parcelforce ? but that is costing me ?61 ! Trying to pay for it was a pain. I put in my Amex card details, but nothing happened to progress the transaction. Tried my Mastercard ? all OK, but why didn?t the website flag up that Amex wasn?t accepted? Downloaded the bar-coded label, but it didn?t fit any of the label sizes that I have in stock, So onto plain paper and I did have A4 double sided adhesive sheets, so stick on label created. The moral being ? all too easy to sell you something, but myriad difficulties if returns needed. A lady friend suggested that I kept it, because she knew I liked a cinema experience, but no, it really was too large. Amazon may engender criticism as to how they treat their staff, but they do have a smooth delivery (even to a same day service) and returns system in place. Pat (looking at his denuded wallet! And realising that I?m a silly old fool at 78). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Feb 4 07:18:46 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:18:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tale of woe In-Reply-To: <601bed4a.1c69fb81.92d48.9043@mx.google.com> References: <601bed4a.1c69fb81.92d48.9043@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998@me.com> It?s a bit late for you I?m afraid, but I?ve been using Fast Lane International for all sorts of domestic and international parcel deliveries and they?ve been universally excellent. Essentially you use their web site to specify the dimensions, weight and destination for your parcel and they offer you a number of options with different carriers. Sometimes it can be surprisingly affordable. I sold ?1,000 worth of gear, weighing 20kg to a guy in Poland and the cost of having it collected from my house and then delivered, insured and tracked was around ?35 ( from memory ), which I thought was great value. It reached him in three days. As for buying stuff which won?t fit your room, my wife takes the mickey out of me for making cardboard cutouts or taping out shapes on the floor when we are making purchasing decisions, but we never end up buying things that won?t fit the house. Incidentally, if you have a recent iPhone or iPad, take a look at Apple?s product site. Along with the usual specs and pictures is an option to view the product in 3D. You see a very clever virtual reality view of your desk with their product sitting on it. The sizing seems reasonably accurate too and you can walk around and view it from any angle or distance. It?s really neat, almost magical. Other companies are doing similar things and I think it?s going to be a standard online sales feature for many businesses. Alan Taylor > On 4 Feb 2021, at 12:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Want to hear a tale of woe? No? Well here it is anyway! > > I could do with a new TV, so when BT Shop came in with a deal on a Samsung 55? for ?429, > I ordered one. When it arrived, it was obviously far too large for my sitting room, so I needed > to send it back. Corresponding with BT Shop Customer Services was less than helpful, > although they were pretending to be. Merely gave me the address to return it to (at my expense, > as it was classed as unwanted, rather than faulty). No further help regarding collection. > DHL who had made the initial delivery, didn?t want to know as it was oversize (apparently it was > shipped directly from the supplier, so BT shop washed their hands of it). Ditto DPD, as being too large. > So, resorted to Parcelforce ? but that is costing me ?61 ! Trying to pay for it was a pain. > I put in my Amex card details, but nothing happened to progress the transaction. > Tried my Mastercard ? all OK, but why didn?t the website flag up that Amex wasn?t > accepted? > Downloaded the bar-coded label, but it didn?t fit any of the label sizes that I have in stock, > So onto plain paper and I did have A4 double sided adhesive sheets, so stick on label created. > > The moral being ? all too easy to sell you something, but myriad difficulties if returns > needed. > A lady friend suggested that I kept it, because she knew I liked a cinema experience, > but no, it really was too large. > > Amazon may engender criticism as to how they treat their staff, but they do have a > smooth delivery (even to a same day service) and returns system in place. > > Pat > (looking at his denuded wallet! And realising that I?m a silly old fool at 78). > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Feb 4 07:57:32 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:57:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tale of woe In-Reply-To: <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998@me.com> References: <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Pat, You do know that, rather than buying a humongous great big new TV, you can make the picture bigger by sitting closer to the one you?ve already got?! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Feb 2021, at 13:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? It?s a bit late for you I?m afraid, but I?ve been using Fast Lane International for all sorts of domestic and international parcel deliveries and they?ve been universally excellent. Essentially you use their web site to specify the dimensions, weight and destination for your parcel and they offer you a number of options with different carriers. Sometimes it can be surprisingly affordable. I sold ?1,000 worth of gear, weighing 20kg to a guy in Poland and the cost of having it collected from my house and then delivered, insured and tracked was around ?35 ( from memory ), which I thought was great value. It reached him in three days. As for buying stuff which won?t fit your room, my wife takes the mickey out of me for making cardboard cutouts or taping out shapes on the floor when we are making purchasing decisions, but we never end up buying things that won?t fit the house. Incidentally, if you have a recent iPhone or iPad, take a look at Apple?s product site. Along with the usual specs and pictures is an option to view the product in 3D. You see a very clever virtual reality view of your desk with their product sitting on it. The sizing seems reasonably accurate too and you can walk around and view it from any angle or distance. It?s really neat, almost magical. Other companies are doing similar things and I think it?s going to be a standard online sales feature for many businesses. Alan Taylor On 4 Feb 2021, at 12:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Want to hear a tale of woe? No? Well here it is anyway! I could do with a new TV, so when BT Shop came in with a deal on a Samsung 55? for ?429, I ordered one. When it arrived, it was obviously far too large for my sitting room, so I needed to send it back. Corresponding with BT Shop Customer Services was less than helpful, although they were pretending to be. Merely gave me the address to return it to (at my expense, as it was classed as unwanted, rather than faulty). No further help regarding collection. DHL who had made the initial delivery, didn?t want to know as it was oversize (apparently it was shipped directly from the supplier, so BT shop washed their hands of it). Ditto DPD, as being too large. So, resorted to Parcelforce ? but that is costing me ?61 ! Trying to pay for it was a pain. I put in my Amex card details, but nothing happened to progress the transaction. Tried my Mastercard ? all OK, but why didn?t the website flag up that Amex wasn?t accepted? Downloaded the bar-coded label, but it didn?t fit any of the label sizes that I have in stock, So onto plain paper and I did have A4 double sided adhesive sheets, so stick on label created. The moral being ? all too easy to sell you something, but myriad difficulties if returns needed. A lady friend suggested that I kept it, because she knew I liked a cinema experience, but no, it really was too large. 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At our age that might need a different pair of specs. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Feb 4 09:05:51 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 15:05:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Tale of woe In-Reply-To: <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998@me.com> References: <601bed4a.1c69fb81.92d48.9043@mx.google.com> <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998@me.com> Message-ID: <58f98e9becdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998 at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > As for buying stuff which won?t fit your room, my wife takes the mickey > out of me for making cardboard cutouts or taping out shapes on the floor > when we are making purchasing decisions, but we never end up buying > things that won?t fit the house. I tend to do it using a CAD drawing prog on the computer. Once you've drawn and saved accurate room(s) dimensions in a plan, it's surprising how often you might use them. Never need to measure up for a carpet or wall paper again. ;-) I recently tiled the bog. Doing a 'virtual' position of the tiles saved quite a bit of time. If you're really keen, you can also show pipe and cable runs under the floor, etc. Avoids cutting through them. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alawrance1 at me.com Thu Feb 4 09:54:28 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:54:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tale of woe In-Reply-To: <601c016a.1c69fb81.b8947.c33b@mx.google.com> References: <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998@me.com> <601c016a.1c69fb81.b8947.c33b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3E522371-1EB9-498C-A2EA-0D6148EA8CA1@me.com> I had been thinking about a projector and screen for some time, but had no means of having a dedicated permanent set-up at home. I had already purchased a decent projector (Epson EH-TW5350) and portable screen for Canal Society presentations, as experience had shown that it was much better to 'Take back Control' (d'you see what I did there?) of the hardware at our pub meeting room and let the guest presenters just bring their own laptop and/or USB stick. Over the years I have now collected enough connectors and adapters to make it all work, and haven't been foxed, not yet anyway. The home situation was resolved with an electric remote control drop-down screen via Amazon, a Luxburg 16:9 80" 106 x 104cm for the princely sum of ?85=90, which I consider a bit of a steal. It was a bit tricky to install horizontally, this bit of the house having been built in the late 1700s, and before 'level' and 'right-angle' had been discovered. (It has to be near enough level to wind up and down accurately). I was fortunate to be able to run the mains in the ceiling void to a nearby socket in the upstairs bedroom. It was a bonus to have a significant area of black at the top, stops you getting a crick in your neck. The sides of the screen tend to curl a bit, but that doesn't interfere with viewing, as I thought it might. I've modified an old and seldom used Miranda camera tripod and head to take the projector, and it's easy and quick to set up, now I have the hang of it It really is a revelation, particularly for some of the modern 'blockbuster' type films. Sound is from a Sony BD player, via a Pear drop 100 + 100w amp to a pair of KEF 104a speakers, and again with a bit of Chinese jiggery-pokery feed the B&O 40" TV as well. British cable jiggery-pokery allows the B&O 9000 CD player (right of frame) to work as well. I tried very hard to make 5:1 work and eventually gave up. As in cinemas I keep thinking "Why is that noise coming from over there/ behind me/up there, and in such a small room, (approx 17' x 12') we can't both be in the 'sweet spot'. I did think about sound bars and such, but there seemed to be too many snags, out-of-sync signals etc. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 4 Feb 2021, at 14:15, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Nick, > I can?t argue with your logic, but my 32? Sony is now 15 years old, but still operative. In 2005 it cost ?1500. So today?s price of a Samsung at ?429 looked good. > My mistake was not waving a tape measure around! > > Maybe the 43? might be a more suitable alternative. > > I had a shelf system installed which was great for putting in an 8mm cine projector, and I put in hooks for the 6? screen I have, but never rigged up the video projector. > The pic is of the setup in a friend?s house. > Pat > > <5B517512CEF146BE9F81271AB084D8ED.jpg> > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 04 February 2021 13:57 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tale of woe > > Hi Pat, > You do know that, rather than buying a humongous great big new TV, you can make the picture bigger by sitting closer to the one you?ve already got?! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > <5B517512CEF146BE9F81271AB084D8ED.jpg>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Photographs of what?s under the floor and behind things were also stored. When we replaced the floor in the front bedroom, the carpet fitter was amused to see that all the pipe runs and cable routes had been marked out onto the new chipboard with Sharpie pens. My computer now stores everything from aerial photos of our area right down to close up pics of details. As materials are mostly bought online one way or another, there are links to the original order, so I know what we used, where we got it and how much of it we had. There are also garden plans showing crop rotation in each bed and PDF versions of appliance manuals too because it?s easier to find on the computer than elsewhere. When I needed to make built-in furniture for the guest bathroom, we discovered that no commercially made items would fit, so I designed the whole thing on the computer and created a cutting list which was emailed to a company which cuts panels to order. A few weeks later, I collected the cut material and everything fitted together perfectly, with a very neat finish too. Effectively you pay for a full sheet from them and their computerised saw will cut it up however you want, with each part having a sticky label according to what you enter on the spreadsheet. It?s a great way to work. Alan Taylor > On 4 Feb 2021, at 15:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998 at me.com>, > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> As for buying stuff which won?t fit your room, my wife takes the mickey >> out of me for making cardboard cutouts or taping out shapes on the floor >> when we are making purchasing decisions, but we never end up buying >> things that won?t fit the house. > > I tend to do it using a CAD drawing prog on the computer. Once you've > drawn and saved accurate room(s) dimensions in a plan, it's surprising how > often you might use them. Never need to measure up for a carpet or wall > paper again. ;-) > > I recently tiled the bog. Doing a 'virtual' position of the tiles saved > quite a bit of time. > > If you're really keen, you can also show pipe and cable runs under the > floor, etc. Avoids cutting through them. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Thu Feb 4 12:04:50 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 18:04:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tale of woe In-Reply-To: <58f98dd549davesound@btinternet.com> References: <0AC07AC3-44FC-421F-97A9-B99D4F584998@me.com> , <58f98dd549davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: You?re right sbout that! N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 4 Feb 2021, at 15:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> You do know that, rather than buying a humongous great big new TV, you >> can make the picture bigger by sitting closer to the one you've already >> got?! > > At our age that might need a different pair of specs. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 4 15:11:09 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 21:11:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sexist joke - beware! Message-ID: <1055dba9-76f6-89ca-7d6c-cda35abaa56a@btinternet.com> A young ventriloquist is touring Sweden and, one night, he's doing a show in a small fishing village. With his dummy on his knee, he starts going through his repertoire of dumb blonde jokes. > Suddenly, a blonde woman in the fourth row stands on her chair and starts shouting, "I've heard enough of your stupid blonde jokes. > What makes you think you can stereotype Swedish blonde women that way? What does the colour of a woman's hair have to do with her worth as a human being? > It's men like you who keep women like me from being respected at work and in the community, and from reaching our full potential as people. It's people like you that make others think that all blondes are dumb! You and your kind continue to perpetuate discrimination against not only blondes, but women in general ... pathetically all in the name of humour!" The embarrassed ventriloquist begins to apologize, and the blonde yells: > "You stay out of this! I'm talking to that little shit on your lap." Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm a billionaire. - Howard Hughes After the game, the King and the Pawn go into the same box. - Italian proverb The only reason they say 'Women and children first' is to test the strength of the lifeboats. - Jean Kerr I've been married to a communist and a fascist, and neither would take out the garbage. - Zsa Zsa Gabor When a man opens a car door for his wife, it's either a new car or a new wife. - Prince Philip Wood burns faster when you have to cut and chop it yourself. - Harrison Ford The best cure for sea sickness, is to sit under a tree. - Spike Milligan Lawyers believe a man is innocent until proven broke. - Robin Hall Kill one man and you're a murderer, kill a million and you're a conqueror. - Jean Rostand. Having more money doesn't make you happier. I have 50 million dollars but I'm just as happy as when I had 48 million. - Arnold Schwarzenegger. We are here on earth to do good unto others. What the others are here for, I have no idea. - W. H. Auden If life were fair, Elvis would still be alive today and all the impersonators would be dead. - Johnny Carson Hollywood must be the only place on earth where you can be fired by a man wearing a Hawaiian shirt and a baseball cap. - Steve Martin Home cooking. Where many a man thinks his wife is. - Jimmy Durante America is so advanced that even the chairs are electric. - Doug Hamwell If God had intended us to fly he would have made it easier to get to the airport. - Jonathan Winter I have kleptomania, but when it gets bad, I take something for it. - Robert Benchley The weather person is the only person that I know, that can be wrong 99.9 % of the time and still have a job the next day. -Johnny Carson Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 4 15:49:32 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 21:49:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Signs of the Times Message-ID: I have just had my car serviced as the MOT runs out tomorrow. I have just checked my petrol log which I have always done since my first motor vehicle in the 50's! In the year 2019 to 2020 I filled up 21 times and drove 7814 miles. In the next (lockdown) year I filled up 7 times with mileage 1774. This year will be even less! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 4 17:29:17 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 23:29:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Signs of the Times pt.2 Message-ID: <9cb76779-f2dc-c3ab-0618-83a907ec85e1@btinternet.com> I had to have my car serviced today as the MOT ran out tomorrow. As usual they found a few things to put right and I got it back this afternoon. At least they collected it and returned it FOC! Comparing 2019? figures with the latest 2020 ones is interesting! In 2019 , pre-Covid I did 7814 miles which was mostly 100 miles per week to my weekly meet up with BBC colleagues. This year that was off the menu and I have done a mere 1774 miles and only filled up 7 times against 22 the year before. Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 4 17:53:51 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 23:53:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Prospero today Message-ID: Suddenly I feel a lot older! When I had to leave Broad Street Control Room in Birmingham Radio to transfer to London TVC a young man arrived to take my place, he was Ant Astley. I have now seen that he has died from Covid after a fall and going to hospital. Sad times indeed. Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 4 19:00:01 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 01:00:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Harvey's 'Four Notes' Message-ID: For those of you who haven't heard the remarkable story of a music teacher with dementia who can still react to music the BBC orchestrated one of his pieces having been set the challenge of writing a piece of music from four notes! Attached is the result! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I saw my first widescreen colour TV at Kingswood when going there to hear all about TV transmission by optical fibre. Only ONE analogue channel per cable in those days now look at how much goes down them and, all around the world, live reporting with hardly any delay unlike early days of satellite delay making 2-way reporting difficult. Mike From doug at puddifoot.me Fri Feb 5 04:50:33 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 10:50:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Truisms Message-ID: <4hf1ec99pxj7s0p9slbn8wc2.1612522233885@email.android.com> Man makes a toast Man hoisted his beer and said, ?Here?s to spending the rest of me life between the legs of me wife!? That won him the top prize at the pub for the best toast of the night! He went home and told his wife, , ?I won the prize for the Best toast of the night? She said, ?Aye, did ye now. And what was your toast?? Man said, ?Here?s to spending the rest of me life, sitting in church beside me wife.? ?Oh, that is very nice indeed!? She said. The next day, the wife ran into one of her husband?s drinking buddies on the street corner. The man chuckled leeringly and said, ?Your husband won the prize the other night at the pub with a toast about you.? She said, ?Aye, he told me, and I was a bit surprised myself. You know, he?s only been there twice in the last four years. Once he fell asleep, and the other time I had to pull him by the ears to make him come.? From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 05:09:07 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 11:09:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Prospero today In-Reply-To: <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40@Gigabyte> References: <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <8470d45b-a002-6071-0fc4-c16851831052@ntlworld.com> I think they exist on article etc sent in, so if you don't send articles they have to fill up with bigger pictures B On 05/02/2021 09:46, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > In the circumstances not a good day to write this but it really annoys > me that the (outsourced?) production company that produces Prospero > often sees fit to FILL the front page with a huge - not necessary - > single picture and thus have to reduce the interesting articles inside > or, more importantly for us, the space for obituaries. > Surely a front page rather like a good newspaper with a smaller > topical picture and space for a relevant article would be better? > This one of KW is quite impressive but is it really necessary? > > I saw my first widescreen colour TV at Kingswood when going there to > hear all about TV transmission by optical fibre. Only ONE analogue > channel per cable in those days now look at how much goes down them > and, all around the world, live reporting with hardly any delay unlike > early days of satellite delay making 2-way reporting difficult. > > Mike > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 5 05:09:54 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2021 11:09:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Prospero today In-Reply-To: <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40@Gigabyte> References: <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <58f9fcd908davesound@btinternet.com> In article <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40 at Gigabyte>, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > I saw my first widescreen colour TV at Kingswood when going there to > hear all about TV transmission by optical fibre. Only ONE analogue > channel per cable in those days now look at how much goes down them > and, all around the world, live reporting with hardly any delay unlike > early days of satellite delay making 2-way reporting difficult. True - but the delay we now have on a live UK interview due to digital is a bit annoying. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Feb 5 05:40:46 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 11:40:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Prospero today In-Reply-To: <58f9fcd908davesound@btinternet.com> References: <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40@Gigabyte> <58f9fcd908davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Very true Dave but now with fibre it is nothing like when everything was on Satellite. The News (mostly) get it about right with never the reporter appearing on the screen behind the presenter whilst talking and showing delays. At least with fibre it is much better and amazing from some far-flung places in the world. A lot of the two-way stuff on home PCs does work mostly very well with I guess pre-recorded cutaways of pre recorded questions from presenter. The system and Engineers have learnt an amazing amount about doing things in the middle of the current situation. When I was doing TFI Friday and The Priory inserts which were often by two-way satellite, I used to use the punters phone line for reverse t/b as that had less delay than satellite and the presenters could usually cope with incoming delays. When I was involved in a Christmas service in Iraq War, in TC5 we had to time the church service in UK playing the music with singers in Germany via EBU and troops in Iraq via two hop satellite. Gave up testing timing with a designs Dept machine and used mouth movements - far better. Ended up delaying Network (during an orchestral bit) to enable necessary delays for Germany and Iraq. All worked in the end! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2021 11:09 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Prospero today In article <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40 at Gigabyte>, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > I saw my first widescreen colour TV at Kingswood when going there to > hear all about TV transmission by optical fibre. Only ONE analogue > channel per cable in those days now look at how much goes down them > and, all around the world, live reporting with hardly any delay unlike > early days of satellite delay making 2-way reporting difficult. True - but the delay we now have on a live UK interview due to digital is a bit annoying. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 08:15:43 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:15:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised Message-ID: <5342e31d-f770-5988-fe1b-225c3e23517f@gmail.com> The word on the street, or at least in the news, is that we might be able to venture forth again by May.? As it's my birthday on Tuesday May 25th, I thought I might pencil it in the diary as "LETS GO OUT TO LUNCH!!" B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 08:22:41 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:22:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: To help to keep us laughing! In-Reply-To: <526100ca-9f6c-4437-b996-c91a4caa79a7@me.com> References: <526100ca-9f6c-4437-b996-c91a4caa79a7@me.com> Message-ID: <95d18ac2-e619-32ea-d24b-cad939300ae7@ntlworld.com> Video two from Tony Nuttall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 92e458b9-24b0-4df8-b765-6ec66d0ebfd3.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 2915481 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 08:23:35 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:23:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: To help to keep us laughing! In-Reply-To: <526100ca-9f6c-4437-b996-c91a4caa79a7@me.com> References: <526100ca-9f6c-4437-b996-c91a4caa79a7@me.com> Message-ID: <2fad1c74-9d6a-39fe-2ac6-b8b48e5db50a@gmail.com> video three from Tony Nuttall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As it's my birthday on Tuesday > May 25th, I thought I might pencil it in the diary as > > "LETS GO OUT TO LUNCH!!" > > B > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 5 08:28:57 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 14:28:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Prospero today In-Reply-To: <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40@Gigabyte> References: <3E9953FDA1F34163B4AFB1C974417F40@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <72DF7B7C-ABE4-42BD-BA7D-3227A900FC62@mac.com> I saw my first colour television picture in the main control room at Wood Norton, in 1965 on TO21. It was a still frame, as I recall, of a girl in a headscarf. Mike G > On 5 Feb 2021, at 09:46, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > In the circumstances not a good day to write this but it really annoys me that the (outsourced?) production company that produces Prospero often sees fit to FILL the front page with a huge - not necessary - single picture and thus have to reduce the interesting articles inside or, more importantly for us, the space for obituaries. > Surely a front page rather like a good newspaper with a smaller topical picture and space for a relevant article would be better? > This one of KW is quite impressive but is it really necessary? > > I saw my first widescreen colour TV at Kingswood when going there to hear all about TV transmission by optical fibre. Only ONE analogue channel per cable in those days now look at how much goes down them and, all around the world, live reporting with hardly any delay unlike early days of satellite delay making 2-way reporting difficult. > > Mike > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 5 09:42:12 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 15:42:12 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Message-ID: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I wonder how disciplined members are when it comes to the organisation of their own personal photo archives? I ask because I have made a pretty poor fist of mine down the years, largely because when I first had a PC I started out with a hierarchical folder system with no idea of how hopelessly inadequate that would become. I have in excess of 50,000 picture files, largely untagged and of course the business of trying to find any particular photo can be a bit challenging. On the other hand most searches tend to throw up a few forgotten surprises which at least prods me into a spot of revision of folder names and placement. Search facilities in Windows 10 are not that obvious either. One less than easily cracked process is a picture search between two fixed dates which eventually I found a Google reference for. First enter in the search box, in this format, the dates required datetaken:20/02/2020 .. 21/08/2020 (note the two centre period/full stop marks have a space on each side). Then, under the search tools tab use the ?type? dropdown and select picture (or video or whatever). If more appropriate you can enter at stage 1 ?datecreated? instead of ?datetaken?. I offer this just in case it might prove useful, though I realise you tech savvy lot may know anyway or even have more sophisticated techniques! Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 5 10:32:39 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 16:32:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: I?ve got a lot of pictures on my iPad and Mac. One of the handiest built in features is that you can search by name for subjects. The operating system analyses photographs entirely within the iPad, without sending the pics elsewhere and without you telling it to do it. It just happens. In the search field, you could enter a subject such as snow, baby, tree, boat or car and it will show those pictures. There are thousands of possible search terms. I was impressed to see that it could find SUVs while ignoring other cars. I also search by date or place ( including broader terms such as Cornwall , home, Buckingham Palace or Germany ) or any other metadata, such as camera model, f stop, or ISO speed. The system also carries out quite decent facial recognition if you train it. These automatic systems are far from foolproof, but they are much better than being merely a novelty. I?m reassured that pictures don?t have to be sent to the cloud in order for these searches to be possible. As one who used to try and organise photographs with databases, I know how much work those processes involve and how I never find the time to do it for all pictures, so letting the computer automatically do much of the work is a great advantage. Pictures which I?m particularly pleased with are given meaningful names or tags manually and other pictures taken at the same time are easily found via the metadata. I did a programme with an archivist who was lamenting that there will no longer be old photographs with names written on the back for future researchers to gather clues from, but his colleague pointed out that many old photographs don?t have anything written on the back, while all digital pictures ( if they have survived ) originally contain a certain amount of metadata which can be invaluable to researchers. Alan Taylor > On 5 Feb 2021, at 15:42, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I wonder how disciplined members are when it comes to the organisation of their own personal photo archives? I ask because I have made a pretty poor fist of mine down the years, largely because when I first had a PC I started out with a hierarchical folder system with no idea of how hopelessly inadequate that would become. I have in excess of 50,000 picture files, largely untagged and of course the business of trying to find any particular photo can be a bit challenging. On the other hand most searches tend to throw up a few forgotten surprises which at least prods me into a spot of revision of folder names and placement. > > Search facilities in Windows 10 are not that obvious either. One less than easily cracked process is a picture search between two fixed dates which eventually I found a Google reference for. First enter in the search box, in this format, the dates required datetaken:20/02/2020 .. 21/08/2020 (note the two centre period/full stop marks have a space on each side). Then, under the search tools tab use the ?type? dropdown and select picture (or video or whatever). If more appropriate you can enter at stage 1 ?datecreated? instead of ?datetaken?. > > I offer this just in case it might prove useful, though I realise you tech savvy lot may know anyway or even have more sophisticated techniques! > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philiptyler at me.com Fri Feb 5 11:43:17 2021 From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 17:43:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised In-Reply-To: <5342e31d-f770-5988-fe1b-225c3e23517f@gmail.com> References: <5342e31d-f770-5988-fe1b-225c3e23517f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <73C5FD50-DDAD-4AE5-B331-F51F72795A44@me.com> Perhaps a pub with a nice garden, beer alfresco? https://www.designmynight.com/london/pubs/beer-gardens-in-london Philip > On 5 Feb 2021, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? The word on the street, or at least in the news, is that we might be able to venture forth again by May. As it's my birthday on Tuesday May 25th, I thought I might pencil it in the diary as > > "LETS GO OUT TO LUNCH!!" > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Feb 5 12:25:20 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:25:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Disorganised In-Reply-To: <5342e31d-f770-5988-fe1b-225c3e23517f@gmail.com> References: <5342e31d-f770-5988-fe1b-225c3e23517f@gmail.com> Message-ID: Damn good idea! ? Graeme Wall > On 5 Feb 2021, at 14:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > The word on the street, or at least in the news, is that we might be able to venture forth again by May. As it's my birthday on Tuesday May 25th, I thought I might pencil it in the diary as > > "LETS GO OUT TO LUNCH!!" > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 5 12:31:19 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 18:31:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> How absolutely brilliant that sounds. I presume this is an Apple exclusive but realise that even if Windows had anything remotely comparable most users would probably be blissfully unaware. Whenever I get stuck looking for ?how to? stuff, I search for the particularised requirement but often wish there was an ?Everything you can do with Windows? reference source. The worst source of help of any description does seem to be Microsoft?s own help setup. Here?s a couple of ?lost then found? shots from the small Somerset port (now marina inevitably) of Watchet. There are two sculpture on the quayside, one of The Ancient Mariner from Coleridge?s narrative poem and one of a local character known as Yankee Jack, real name John Short. I?ve attached the two photos and inserted the relevant info below. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 4:32 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I?ve got a lot of pictures on my iPad and Mac. One of the handiest built in features is that you can search by name for subjects. The operating system analyses photographs entirely within the iPad, without sending the pics elsewhere and without you telling it to do it. It just happens. In the search field, you could enter a subject such as snow, baby, tree, boat or car and it will show those pictures. There are thousands of possible search terms. I was impressed to see that it could find SUVs while ignoring other cars. I also search by date or place ( including broader terms such as Cornwall , home, Buckingham Palace or Germany ) or any other metadata, such as camera model, f stop, or ISO speed. The system also carries out quite decent facial recognition if you train it. These automatic systems are far from foolproof, but they are much better than being merely a novelty. I?m reassured that pictures don?t have to be sent to the cloud in order for these searches to be possible. As one who used to try and organise photographs with databases, I know how much work those processes involve and how I never find the time to do it for all pictures, so letting the computer automatically do much of the work is a great advantage. Pictures which I?m particularly pleased with are given meaningful names or tags manually and other pictures taken at the same time are easily found via the metadata. I did a programme with an archivist who was lamenting that there will no longer be old photographs with names written on the back for future researchers to gather clues from, but his colleague pointed out that many old photographs don?t have anything written on the back, while all digital pictures ( if they have survived ) originally contain a certain amount of metadata which can be invaluable to researchers. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Statue%20info[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 578537 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Ancient Mariner sculpture.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1682585 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Using the slider on the right of the screen you can do a very fast scroll through all of your photos. The photos are not move or changed , it just allows you to find and view them. It is simple and intuitive, I recommend it. Here is a link https://en.softonic.com/download/picasa-hd/windows/post-download Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picasa1[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63096 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picasa2[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38303 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picasa3[1].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 41901 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 5 14:06:03 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 20:06:03 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> Message-ID: <8F06CD817F7B4700BBE6B55B8BC3E42B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I most certainly will be investigating this Doug and it has made me wonder if in the past I may have walked blindly past it. Over many years before my wife retired from her career as a Freelance artist and illustrator I researched reference material for her, most particularly for photographs taken in the wild of exotic bird species. On a number of occasions I found useful material on the Picasaweb site but had no idea of the existence of the Google program you describe. I have three hard drives on my PC ? will it be able to investigate the dedicated data storage drives or just the system drive? Many thanks, Dave Newbitt. From: Puddifoot(Doug) Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 7:32 PM To: Tech1 Cc: David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Although it is no longer supported, the free Google program Picasa is still available to download. I have just installed it on Windows 10. It searches you entire hard drive and finds all the photos. It then lists and previews them in an easy to find way. Here I selected ?Timeline? from the view menu, and all the folders are listed on time order. It?s face recognition is amazing. It will find all the faces in the pictures and put them into collections for you to name. Using the slider on the right of the screen you can do a very fast scroll through all of your photos. The photos are not move or changed , it just allows you to find and view them. It is simple and intuitive, I recommend it. Here is a link https://en.softonic.com/download/picasa-hd/windows/post-download Doug -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picasa1[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63096 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picasa2[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38303 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope that makes sense - don't think I explained it very well. All this is on mu iMac. Geoff F On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 20:06, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I most certainly will be investigating this Doug and it has made me wonder > if in the past I may have walked blindly past it. Over many years before my > wife retired from her career as a Freelance artist and illustrator I > researched reference material for her, most particularly for photographs > taken in the wild of exotic bird species. On a number of occasions I found > useful material on the Picasaweb site but had no idea of the existence of > the Google program you describe. > > I have three hard drives on my PC ? will it be able to investigate the > dedicated data storage drives or just the system drive? > > Many thanks, > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* Puddifoot(Doug) > *Sent:* Friday, February 5, 2021 7:32 PM > *To:* Tech1 > *Cc:* David Newbitt > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections > > Although it is no longer supported, the free Google program Picasa is > still available to download. I have just installed it on Windows 10. It > searches you entire hard drive and finds all the photos. > It then lists and previews them in an easy to find way. > > [image: Picasa1] > > Here I selected ?Timeline? from the view menu, and all the folders are > listed on time order. > > [image: Picasa2] > > > It?s face recognition is amazing. It will find all the faces in the > pictures and put them into collections for you to name. > > [image: Picasa3] > > Using the slider on the right of the screen you can do a very fast scroll > through all of your photos. The photos are not move or changed , it just > allows you to find and view them. > It is simple and intuitive, I recommend it. > > Here is a link > > https://en.softonic.com/download/picasa-hd/windows/post-download > > Doug > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Picasa1[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63096 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 5 14:36:21 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2021 20:36:21 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> <8F06CD817F7B4700BBE6B55B8BC3E42B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <66B7F178CACE41E8BCEC3401FEBB7C64@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Geoff, I do all my editing in Elements 18 but going right back to the original Elements I have always failed to properly get to grips with the Organiser, one problem being that if you move the storage location of a picture it throws the Organiser which then can?t find the picture. That may of course be me screwing it up! As I write, Doug?s Picasa prog. is scanning through the system and looks set fair to still be busy at breakfast time tomorrow. I await with anticipation/trepidation! Appreciate that properly handled, Organiser can be complementary and helpful, so thanks Geoff ? maybe the grey cells will catch up with a bit more application! Dave Newbitt. From: Geoff Fletcher Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:15 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: Puddifoot(Doug) ; Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I use Photoshop Organiser as a pictorial database . I am gradually scanning all my pre digital negs, transparencies, and prints and filing then in yearly files. Then put them into Organiser and you can add captions to help find the ones you want, or search by the names you have given the scanned framrs. Organiser also has a world mapping system so you can put the photods where you took them. Hope that makes sense - don't think I explained it very well. All this is on mu iMac. Geoff F On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 20:06, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I most certainly will be investigating this Doug and it has made me wonder if in the past I may have walked blindly past it. Over many years before my wife retired from her career as a Freelance artist and illustrator I researched reference material for her, most particularly for photographs taken in the wild of exotic bird species. On a number of occasions I found useful material on the Picasaweb site but had no idea of the existence of the Google program you describe. I have three hard drives on my PC ? will it be able to investigate the dedicated data storage drives or just the system drive? Many thanks, Dave Newbitt. From: Puddifoot(Doug) Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 7:32 PM To: Tech1 Cc: David Newbitt Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Although it is no longer supported, the free Google program Picasa is still available to download. I have just installed it on Windows 10. It searches you entire hard drive and finds all the photos. It then lists and previews them in an easy to find way. Here I selected ?Timeline? from the view menu, and all the folders are listed on time order. It?s face recognition is amazing. It will find all the faces in the pictures and put them into collections for you to name. Using the slider on the right of the screen you can do a very fast scroll through all of your photos. The photos are not move or changed , it just allows you to find and view them. It is simple and intuitive, I recommend it. Here is a link https://en.softonic.com/download/picasa-hd/windows/post-download Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It lets you select where you want to scan down to folder level. You select Folder Manager from the Tools menu. Doug From: David Newbitt Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 8:06 PM To: Puddifoot(Doug) ; Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I most certainly will be investigating this Doug and it has made me wonder if in the past I may have walked blindly past it. Over many years before my wife retired from her career as a Freelance artist and illustrator I researched reference material for her, most particularly for photographs taken in the wild of exotic bird species. On a number of occasions I found useful material on the Picasaweb site but had no idea of the existence of the Google program you describe. I have three hard drives on my PC ? will it be able to investigate the dedicated data storage drives or just the system drive? 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Nevertheless, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, ?????. Mike G > On 5 Feb 2021, at 20:15, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > I use Photoshop Organiser as a pictorial database . I am gradually scanning all my pre digital negs, transparencies, and prints and filing then in yearly files. Then put them into Organiser and you can add captions to help find the ones you want, or search by the names you have given the scanned framrs. Organiser also has a world mapping system so you can put the photods where you took them. > Hope that makes sense - don't think I explained it very well. All this is on mu iMac. > Geoff F > > On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 20:06, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > I most certainly will be investigating this Doug and it has made me wonder if in the past I may have walked blindly past it. Over many years before my wife retired from her career as a Freelance artist and illustrator I researched reference material for her, most particularly for photographs taken in the wild of exotic bird species. On a number of occasions I found useful material on the Picasaweb site but had no idea of the existence of the Google program you describe. > > I have three hard drives on my PC ? will it be able to investigate the dedicated data storage drives or just the system drive? > > Many thanks, > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Puddifoot(Doug) <> > Sent: Friday, February 5, 2021 7:32 PM > To: Tech1 <> > Cc: David Newbitt <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections > > Although it is no longer supported, the free Google program Picasa is still available to download. I have just installed it on Windows 10. It searches you entire hard drive and finds all the photos. > It then lists and previews them in an easy to find way. > > > > Here I selected ?Timeline? from the view menu, and all the folders are listed on time order. > > > > > It?s face recognition is amazing. It will find all the faces in the pictures and put them into collections for you to name. > > > > Using the slider on the right of the screen you can do a very fast scroll through all of your photos. The photos are not move or changed , it just allows you to find and view them. > It is simple and intuitive, I recommend it. > > Here is a link > > https://en.softonic.com/download/picasa-hd/windows/post-download > > Doug > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Fri Feb 5 20:43:19 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 02:43:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> Message-ID: I see that Doug gave a link to a Softonic source for some software. Please read the article below before using Softonic, or you may regret it. You can also search for problems with Softonic for more information. I'm sure Doug intended no harm, but his use of Softonic could account for any problems he may have had with his computer. The article I referred to is at: https://www.onlineprivacytips.co/guides/is-softonic-safe-legal/ In general, the safest advice is to download software only from the maker's own site. KW On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 19:32, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > Although it is no longer supported, the free Google program Picasa is > still available to download. I have just installed it on Windows 10. It > searches you entire hard drive and finds all the photos. > It then lists and previews them in an easy to find way. > > [image: Picasa1] > > Here I selected ?Timeline? from the view menu, and all the folders are > listed on time order. > > [image: Picasa2] > > > It?s face recognition is amazing. It will find all the faces in the > pictures and put them into collections for you to name. > > [image: Picasa3] > > Using the slider on the right of the screen you can do a very fast scroll > through all of your photos. The photos are not move or changed , it just > allows you to find and view them. > It is simple and intuitive, I recommend it. > > Here is a link > > https://en.softonic.com/download/picasa-hd/windows/post-download > > Doug > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_4087482002290743361_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picasa1[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63096 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You create one and can set up multiple rules to include or exclude certain aspects. For instance, my wife wanted to find some specific pictures taken at night, but only knew the month , so I temporarily created a Smart Album specifying pictures taken in any August, with an ISO rating >320 and a shutter speed of longer than 1/10 second. All the pics she wanted popped up instantly within the album created. Afterwards I just deleted the smart album and the pictures remain stored in their usual places. There is another possible search term for camera model. It lists all the cameras used to take all the pictures in iPhoto. I was shocked to see a pull down list of more than forty camera models. I initially assumed it was a general list of cameras, but realised it was just a list of the cameras used by us and our family - many of them being various smart phones and tablets used over the years. It?s amazing just how much information is held within the metadata on each picture. Alan Taylor > On 5 Feb 2021, at 23:15, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I too have thousands of images in various locations on my various Mac machines and I have been very surprised to find that when doing a search for individual family members, I get almost all the photos I would expect, plus many appropriate ones that I have no right to expect, as they?ve never been labelled appropriately, if at all, or that the label bears no relation to what I?m searching for, but the content is numbered amongst the things I would have hoped to find. Nevertheless, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, I fully intend to be more organised, ?????. > > Mike G From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Feb 6 03:46:53 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 09:46:53 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> Message-ID: <141E60563A61480E922BA78497963796@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Not a straightforward world, is it?!! As I read your message Keith I had already installed Picasa from Softonic so obviously paid attention. I followed your link and tried to assimilate the points raised by the author. Significant emphasis is placed on using a charged-for anti-virus, a need in my case catered for by ESET which I have found good over the 2 years or so since installing it. Additionally I have for many years now used Spybot Search & Destroy as a 2nd string malware/spyware detector. Previous anti-virus apps I have used invariably left quantities of malware/spyware untouched which Spybot subsequently discovered. So far ESET has not left anything for Spybot to do. The onlineprivacytips piece is definitely right about the presence on the Softonic site of numerous download offerings liberally plastered about to make it quite likely a user may end up acquiring something other than the intended Picasa program. This syndrome is of course widespread but I think it one of the worst instances I have seen. I have run a specific ESET scan this morning on the downloaded Picasa program which raised no concerns. Doug is quite right about the pros of what is offered so that if one has been lucky enough to avoid problems it does offer at least some useful organisational tools if not quite on the level of sophistication Alan has described re the Apple photo apps. In my case Picasa has listed 4000+ folders and just under 18000 faces which I will be more than interested to see sorted out as opportunity arises. I would like to acknowledge the helpfulness of the contributions to this topic. As I have often recognised before, if a chat forum of this sort regularly trounces Google for problem solving then its got a lot going for it! Dave Newbitt. From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:43 AM To: Puddifoot(Doug) Cc: Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I see that Doug gave a link to a Softonic source for some software. Please read the article below before using Softonic, or you may regret it. You can also search for problems with Softonic for more information. I'm sure Doug intended no harm, but his use of Softonic could account for any problems he may have had with his computer. The article I referred to is at: https://www.onlineprivacytips.co/guides/is-softonic-safe-legal/ In general, the safest advice is to download software only from the maker's own site. KW On Fri, 5 Feb 2021 at 19:32, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: Although it is no longer supported, the free Google program Picasa is still available to download. I have just installed it on Windows 10. It searches you entire hard drive and finds all the photos. It then lists and previews them in an easy to find way. Here I selected ?Timeline? from the view menu, and all the folders are listed on time order. It?s face recognition is amazing. It will find all the faces in the pictures and put them into collections for you to name. Using the slider on the right of the screen you can do a very fast scroll through all of your photos. The photos are not move or changed , it just allows you to find and view them. It is simple and intuitive, I recommend it. Here is a link https://en.softonic.com/download/picasa-hd/windows/post-download Doug ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picasa1[4].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63096 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I might have to go on a recce if this looks possible nearer the time B On 05/02/2021 17:43, Philip Tyler wrote: > Perhaps a pub with a nice garden, beer alfresco? > > https://www.designmynight.com/london/pubs/beer-gardens-in-london > > > Philip > >> On 5 Feb 2021, at 14:16, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? The word on the street, or at least in the news, is that we might >> be able to venture forth again by May.? As it's my birthday on >> Tuesday May 25th, I thought I might pencil it in the diary as >> >> "LETS GO OUT TO LUNCH!!" >> >> B >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sat Feb 6 05:03:01 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:03:01 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> Message-ID: Thanks for the advice Keith, lesson learned about Softonic, sorry Dave for sending you there. Good advice about going to makers own site. In this case because Google want to divert you to their Cloud offering, they no longer host this download. At least, I could not find it there. I have been using this program on my computer for several weeks now with no problems, and my regular virus scans have seen no infections, which is why I felt safe to recommend it. Doug From: Keith Wicks Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:43 AM To: Puddifoot(Doug) Cc: Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I see that Doug gave a link to a Softonic source for some software. Please read the article below before using Softonic, or you may regret it. You can also search for problems with Softonic for more information. I'm sure Doug intended no harm, but his use of Softonic could account for any problems he may have had with his computer. The article I referred to is at: https://www.onlineprivacytips.co/guides/is-softonic-safe-legal/ In general, the safest advice is to download software only from the maker's own site. KW -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 6 05:10:33 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 11:10:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> Message-ID: <601e7928.1c69fb81.9e609.6c6d@mx.google.com> There?s a program called CCleaner which is a free download and will tidy up things after a lot of Internet browsing ? but be careful of the files selected for removal. It has a useful tool (under ?Tools?) which is Duplicate Finder. I use it if I?ve copied photos to other folders but wish to keep only one. It will also find duplicate files, so the search criteria needs to be carefully selected. One then ticks the box against the files to be removed. Hope this may be of use. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 Sent: 06 February 2021 11:03 To: Keith Wicks; David Newbitt Cc: Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Thanks for the advice Keith, lesson learned about Softonic, sorry Dave for sending you there. Good advice about going to makers own site. In this case because Google want to divert you to their Cloud offering, they no longer host this download. At least, I could not find it there. I have been using this program on my computer for several weeks now with no problems, and my regular virus scans have seen no infections, which is why I felt safe to recommend it. ? Doug ? From: Keith Wicks Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:43 AM To: Puddifoot(Doug) Cc: Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections ? I see that Doug gave a link to a Softonic source for some software. Please read the article below before using Softonic, or you may regret it. You can also search for problems with Softonic for more information. I'm sure Doug intended no harm, but his use of Softonic could account for any problems he may have had with his computer. The article I referred to is at: ? https://www.onlineprivacytips.co/guides/is-softonic-safe-legal/ ? In general, the safest advice is to download software only from the maker's own site. ? KW ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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They immediately admitted that, but blamed the problem on a third party and said it would never happen again. I said I would still prefer not to use their site. Then they started pestering me with an offer of "good value" software ? anti-virus, I think. When I declined their offer, the price decreased by 50%, then 65%, then 80%, then 95%. That seemed to mean that it was software they had obtained for nothing, and any payment was better than nothing for them. I don't imagine the software was much good. Probably the worst free software as far as malware is concerned is Flash Player. There are many warnings about this on the internet. So be sure to download this only from the originator's site (if still available ? I believe support for Flash Player has now ended). To check on a site offering free software, compare the size of a downloaded file with the size of that file obtained from the originator's site. If the sizes are different, then someone somewhere has tampered with the software provided on the free software site. If that is the case, then be sure not to open that software. Some free software sites are convenient and simply link to the originator's sites. But, if you are looking for an old version of the software, you may find that the promised version has been replaced by a later version on the originator's web site, and that version may not run on your computer. Of course, sites that once had problems may now be OK to use, but be aware of the potential dangers. KW On Sat, 6 Feb 2021 at 11:03, Puddifoot(Doug) wrote: > Thanks for the advice Keith, lesson learned about Softonic, sorry Dave for > sending you there. Good advice about going to makers own site. In this case > because Google want to divert you to their Cloud offering, they no longer > host this download. At least, I could not find it there. I have been using > this program on my computer for several weeks now with no problems, and my > regular virus scans have seen no infections, which is why I felt safe to > recommend it. > > Doug > > *From:* Keith Wicks > *Sent:* Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:43 AM > *To:* Puddifoot(Doug) > *Cc:* Tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections > > I see that Doug gave a link to a Softonic source for some software. Please > read the article below before using Softonic, or you may regret it. You can > also search for problems with Softonic for more information. I'm sure Doug > intended no harm, but his use of Softonic could account for any problems he > may have had with his computer. The article I referred to is at: > > https://www.onlineprivacytips.co/guides/is-softonic-safe-legal/ > > In general, the safest advice is to download software only from the > maker's own site. > > KW > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_1796998081688680288_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From philiptyler at me.com Sat Feb 6 06:38:45 2021 From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:38:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination Message-ID: So now all the oldies have had their vaccination us younger 67 year olds are being offered them ? First one is tomorrow, second in April a couple of days after our wedding. Assuming we don?t have to rebook for a fourth time! Philip From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Sat Feb 6 06:31:47 2021 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 12:31:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sexist joke - beware! In-Reply-To: <1055dba9-76f6-89ca-7d6c-cda35abaa56a@btinternet.com> References: <1055dba9-76f6-89ca-7d6c-cda35abaa56a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6DDC949B-9DF5-4AF1-9C88-B5AD4359C76C@vincent68.plus.com> Substitute blonde woman for Trump and you?ll get a funnier and more acceptable story! John V > On 4 Feb 2021, at 21:11, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > > > A young ventriloquist is touring Sweden and, one night, he's doing a show in a small fishing village. With his dummy on his knee, he starts going through his repertoire of dumb blonde jokes. > > > Suddenly, a blonde woman in the fourth row stands on her chair and starts shouting, "I've heard enough of your stupid blonde jokes. > > > What makes you think you can stereotype Swedish blonde women that way? What does the colour of a woman's hair have to do with her worth as a human being? > > > It's men like you who keep women like me from being respected at work and in the community, and from reaching our full potential as people. It's people like you that make others think that all blondes are dumb! You and your kind continue to perpetuate discrimination against not only blondes, but women in general ... pathetically all in the name of humour!" > > The embarrassed ventriloquist begins to apologize, and the blonde yells: > > > "You stay out of this! I'm talking to that little shit on your lap." > > Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wonder why there are different policies. Mike G > On 6 Feb 2021, at 12:39, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: > > ?So now all the oldies have had their vaccination us younger 67 year olds are being offered them ? > > First one is tomorrow, second in April a couple of days after our wedding. Assuming we don?t have to rebook for a fourth time! > > Philip > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 6 07:46:54 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 13:46:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination In-Reply-To: <5474F8C1-7742-47D4-83D5-9F65684DCF3D@mac.com> References: <5474F8C1-7742-47D4-83D5-9F65684DCF3D@mac.com> Message-ID: <601e9dce.1c69fb81.39efa.9693@mx.google.com> Haven?t had mine yet, at 78! But I got the letter from NHS, and was able to book on-line for 11th Feb at Epsom Racecourse. Also booked the second jab for May. I gather from neighbours that Epsom is brilliantly organised. Wonder if there will be any bookies taking bets as to when lockdown will be lifted! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 06 February 2021 13:18 To: Philip Tyler Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Vaccination Congratulations on all counts, Phil! Some seem to have had the second jab booked when they have had their first, but many others, ourselves included, wait to hear nearer the time. I wonder why there are different policies. Mike G > On 6 Feb 2021, at 12:39, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: > > ?So now all the oldies have had their vaccination us younger 67 year olds are being offered them ? > > First one is tomorrow, second in April a couple of days after our wedding. Assuming we don?t have to rebook for a fourth time! > > Philip > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Feb 6 07:56:32 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 13:56:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination In-Reply-To: <5474F8C1-7742-47D4-83D5-9F65684DCF3D@mac.com> References: <5474F8C1-7742-47D4-83D5-9F65684DCF3D@mac.com> Message-ID: The difference appears to be if you booked it by invitation from your surgery or via the NHS website after receiving a letter. Got a text yesterday from the surgery, just the first appointment, then this morning I got the NHS letter which says I can book both at the same time on their website. ? Graeme Wall > On 6 Feb 2021, at 13:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Congratulations on all counts, Phil! > > Some seem to have had the second jab booked when they have had their first, but many others, ourselves included, wait to hear nearer the time. I wonder why there are different policies. > > Mike G > >> On 6 Feb 2021, at 12:39, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?So now all the oldies have had their vaccination us younger 67 year olds are being offered them ? >> >> First one is tomorrow, second in April a couple of days after our wedding. Assuming we don?t have to rebook for a fourth time! >> >> Philip >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 08:03:38 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:03:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination In-Reply-To: <5474F8C1-7742-47D4-83D5-9F65684DCF3D@mac.com> References: <5474F8C1-7742-47D4-83D5-9F65684DCF3D@mac.com> Message-ID: <725E777B-E10A-493A-9E94-785715C04D85@gmail.com> Yes - we had the Pfizer two and a half weeks ago and were given our time and date for our second jab in April - both at our local surger in North Norfolk. Geoff F > On 6 Feb 2021, at 13:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Congratulations on all counts, Phil! > > Some seem to have had the second jab booked when they have had their first, but many others, ourselves included, wait to hear nearer the time. I wonder why there are different policies. > > Mike G > >> On 6 Feb 2021, at 12:39, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?So now all the oldies have had their vaccination us younger 67 year olds are being offered them ? >> >> First one is tomorrow, second in April a couple of days after our wedding. Assuming we don?t have to rebook for a fourth time! >> >> Philip >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 6 08:14:50 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:14:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Possible film scripts Message-ID: <601ea45a.1c69fb81.73dd6.fe4b@mx.google.com> Any budding scriptwriters out there? How about a storyline for a sci-fi/space film, where ?visitors? to Earth get different reactions, depending on where they touch down? ?Take me to your leader? could have vastly different situations where each of the countries? Heads of State swear blind that ?they? are the Global chief! I still love ?Galaxy Quest? where little chaps from a threatened planet believe that the cast of a TV space serial can actually help them in their hour of need. I asked for it to be screened in Pinewood?s Theatre 7, and I?ve never witnessed such hysterical laughter! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 6 08:25:40 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:25:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <6700DBDD08F54F33B40FB126436B474F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2872BAA62EF145D984576487588A312E@NewOffice> Message-ID: <601ea6e4.1c69fb81.af6c4.5275@mx.google.com> Yep, somewhat peeved at Flash Player being withdrawn. My HP All-in-One printer used FP to run a menu involving scanning and re-sizing. Doesn?t work now. HP had 3 years notice that FP was ceasing, did they do anything about a new app? Nope! Although I have a still-boxed Epson, I had just purchased a full set of HP cartridges, at the usual extortionate price. Grrrrr! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 06 February 2021 12:19 To: Puddifoot(Doug) Cc: Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Probably the worst free software as far as malware is concerned is Flash Player. There are many warnings about this on the internet. So be sure to download this only from the originator's site (if still available ? I believe support for Flash Player has now ended). KW -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Feb 6 08:48:56 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 14:48:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> Hi Dave et al, I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. Take care, Barry. On 5 Feb 2021, at 15:42, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I wonder how disciplined members are when it comes to the organisation of their own personal photo archives? I ask because I have made a pretty poor fist of mine down the years, largely because when I first had a PC I started out with a hierarchical folder system with no idea of how hopelessly inadequate that would become. I have in excess of 50,000 picture files, largely untagged and of course the business of trying to find any particular photo can be a bit challenging. On the other hand most searches tend to throw up a few forgotten surprises which at least prods me into a spot of revision of folder names and placement. > > Search facilities in Windows 10 are not that obvious either. One less than easily cracked process is a picture search between two fixed dates which eventually I found a Google reference for. First enter in the search box, in this format, the dates required datetaken:20/02/2020 .. 21/08/2020 (note the two centre period/full stop marks have a space on each side). Then, under the search tools tab use the ?type? dropdown and select picture (or video or whatever). If more appropriate you can enter at stage 1 ?datecreated? instead of ?datetaken?. > > I offer this just in case it might prove useful, though I realise you tech savvy lot may know anyway or even have more sophisticated techniques! > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Feb 6 09:11:35 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 15:11:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Vaccination In-Reply-To: <725E777B-E10A-493A-9E94-785715C04D85@gmail.com> References: <5474F8C1-7742-47D4-83D5-9F65684DCF3D@mac.com> <725E777B-E10A-493A-9E94-785715C04D85@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3056A1E2-F8E1-445F-9F71-11302193BDF6@mac.com> In answer To Alan, my wife had a slightly sore arm for a couple of days, and I?ve had no after effects at all. Mike G > On 6 Feb 2021, at 14:03, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > > Yes - we had the Pfizer two and a half weeks ago and were given our time and date for our second jab in April - both at our local surger in North Norfolk. > Geoff F > > >> On 6 Feb 2021, at 13:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Congratulations on all counts, Phil! >> >> Some seem to have had the second jab booked when they have had their first, but many others, ourselves included, wait to hear nearer the time. I wonder why there are different policies. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 6 Feb 2021, at 12:39, Philip Tyler via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?So now all the oldies have had their vaccination us younger 67 year olds are being offered them ? >>> >>> First one is tomorrow, second in April a couple of days after our wedding. Assuming we don?t have to rebook for a fourth time! >>> >>> Philip >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From david.beer at talktalk.net Sat Feb 6 09:44:33 2021 From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 15:44:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Live Streaming of talks Message-ID: <2c6fab0d-104e-abf2-9dc7-e5f7c438b81b@talktalk.net> Fellow ex Tech-ops I would appreciate any advice on the best way to live stream a talk as I know some of you have been involved in relaying church services or U3A type meetings. My local RSPB group have been happily Zooming our monthly talks from expert presenters for almost a year now and most of the, (generally elderly), members? have managed to log in ok and enjoy the talks from home. If and when we resume our face to face meetings in a hall with the presenter displaying photos using a laptop and projector on a screen, we are looking into a way of also relaying the images plus presenter's spiel to those members who no longer wish to travel to the hall. With our limited resources of a laptop, projector and radio mics connected to a pa system, (a webcam could also be useful), any suggestions on what would be the best way to set up a live webcast for members only which doesn't intrude too much on the presentation in the hall? One option I suppose would be to record the event from a webcam, and then to offer the recording link to those who want to view at another time at home. The presenter's spiel is vital for these talks so, although as an ex cameraman it pains me to say it, getting decent sound tends to be more difficult than the vision! Any advice gratefully received. Dave Beer From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 10:33:32 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:33:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Something to occupy your time during the rest of lockdown. Message-ID: I've now got together some more of my EMI 2001/Vinten 419 kits.? Put one on your shelf..... See here - https://www.ebay.co.uk/.../EMI-2001-camera.../203270654913 B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If you have multiple people speaking, it?s worth remembering that a hand held mic allows faster turnaround between presenters than a clip-on microphone would. Following on from an earlier query about web cams, there is a range of industrial web cams made by ELP, which take standard CS mount lenses. Amazon sell a camera and a 10:1 lens for well under ?100. Note there is no provision for sound on it and before any of you get grand ideas, the lens is very much a set and forget thing, no opportunities for smooth zooming or focus pulling! However if set up on a tripod, it would probably cover such a meeting quite well without getting in the way. Alan Taylor > On 6 Feb 2021, at 15:45, David Beer via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Fellow ex Tech-ops > > I would appreciate any advice on the best way to live stream a talk as I know some of you have been involved in relaying church services or U3A type meetings. > > My local RSPB group have been happily Zooming our monthly talks from expert presenters for almost a year now and most of the, (generally elderly), members have managed to log in ok and enjoy the talks from home. If and when we resume our face to face meetings in a hall with the presenter displaying photos using a laptop and projector on a screen, we are looking into a way of also relaying the images plus presenter's spiel to those members who no longer wish to travel to the hall. > > With our limited resources of a laptop, projector and radio mics connected to a pa system, (a webcam could also be useful), any suggestions on what would be the best way to set up a live webcast for members only which doesn't intrude too much on the presentation in the hall? One option I suppose would be to record the event from a webcam, and then to offer the recording link to those who want to view at another time at home. The presenter's spiel is vital for these talks so, although as an ex cameraman it pains me to say it, getting decent sound tends to be more difficult than the vision! > > Any advice gratefully received. > > Dave Beer > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Feb 6 10:45:45 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:45:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Possible film scripts In-Reply-To: <601ea45a.1c69fb81.73dd6.fe4b@mx.google.com> References: <601ea45a.1c69fb81.73dd6.fe4b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3b7ef05a-96c2-c39a-ccf6-2520b8b57ff8@btinternet.com> None would match a 1960's David Langdon cartoon of a nonplussed Harold MacMillan being confronted on a grouse moor by a spaceship with little green men who demanded 'Take me to your leader!'. Hugh On 06-Feb-21 2:14 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Any budding scriptwriters out there? > > How about a storyline for a sci-fi/space film, where ?visitors? to > Earth get different reactions, depending on where they touch down? > ?Take me to your leader? could have vastly different > situations where each of the countries? Heads of State swear blind > that ?they? are the Global chief! > > I still love ?Galaxy Quest? where little chaps from a threatened > > planet believe that the cast of a TV space serial can actually help > them in their hour of need. > > I asked for it to be screened in Pinewood?s Theatre 7, and I?ve never > witnessed such hysterical laughter! > > Best > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 10:58:46 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 16:58:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Live Streaming of talks In-Reply-To: <2c6fab0d-104e-abf2-9dc7-e5f7c438b81b@talktalk.net> References: <2c6fab0d-104e-abf2-9dc7-e5f7c438b81b@talktalk.net> Message-ID: If you haven't found OBS Studio yet, that would be the first thing to download. It's free, and I've been using it to send a feed from my bird box webcam to YouTube for years . A little further upmarket, the Blackmagic Atem Mini - https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini? would be worth a look. B On 06/02/2021 15:44, David Beer via Tech1 wrote: > Fellow ex Tech-ops > > I would appreciate any advice on the best way to live stream a talk as > I know some of you have been involved in relaying church services or > U3A type meetings. > > My local RSPB group have been happily Zooming our monthly talks from > expert presenters for almost a year now and most of the, (generally > elderly), members? have managed to log in ok and enjoy the talks from > home. If and when we resume our face to face meetings in a hall with > the presenter displaying photos using a laptop and projector on a > screen, we are looking into a way of also relaying the images plus > presenter's spiel to those members who no longer wish to travel to the > hall. > > With our limited resources of a laptop, projector and radio mics > connected to a pa system, (a webcam could also be useful), any > suggestions on what would be the best way to set up a live webcast for > members only which doesn't intrude too much on the presentation in the > hall? One option I suppose would be to record the event from a webcam, > and then to offer the recording link to those who want to view at > another time at home. 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I've now got together some more of my EMI 2001/Vinten 419 kits. Put one on your shelf..... See here - https://www.ebay.co.uk/.../EMI-2001-camera.../203270654913 B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: npkphgccnagfhibn.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58017 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 6 12:04:25 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 18:04:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Something to occupy your time during the rest of lockdown. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5c75237a-bcbc-b523-3208-b0a58cd66bd9@gmail.com> Strange! Thank you! B On 06/02/2021 17:58, David Newbitt wrote: > That link seems not to work Bernie, but this one worked for me > https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/EMI-2001-camera-and-Vinten-419-pedestal-paper-model-kit/203270654913?hash=item2f53e00bc1:g:ljcAAOSwUN1gHr8g > > Best wishes, > Dave Newbitt > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, February 6, 2021 4:33 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] Something to occupy your time during the rest of > lockdown. > I've now got together some more of my EMI 2001/Vinten 419 kits.? Put > one on your shelf..... > > See here - https://www.ebay.co.uk/.../EMI-2001-camera.../203270654913 > > B > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: npkphgccnagfhibn.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 58017 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Feb 6 13:12:05 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 19:12:05 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> Message-ID: That?s the spirit Barry. The trick is when doing the maths for how many, how much time for each, total hours etc. STOP THERE! The next bit of calculation would be how many hours a day are you likely to manage, how many days off in-between, time off for hols etc. and you really don?t want to go there! I?ve done a fair bit of this myself but not had the courage to do any of the maths (or ?math? as increasingly I see used this side of the pond). I currently have an Epson Perfection V700 which is good on print scanning (often the only source material I have) but does make a reasonable job of negs as well. If the bulk of your slides are 35mm you could speed up the process significantly with a dedicated film scanner, mid-range products such as Plustek Opticfilm 8100 at ?270 and upwards I?m told do a good job. One of the relatively few old shots that I have in neg form (taken in 1963 by Rod Stebbing on his pride & joy Pentax SV) is the attached B&W of me walking by Vivary Park entrance gates in Taunton while the holiday traffic relentlessly files by. I was three inches taller then than I am now! At that time most of the Devon & Cornwall holiday traffic from the Midlands and North of England funnelled up and down this narrow route all day and all night. Good luck with the project, Dave Newbitt. From: Barry Bonner Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:48 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re:Lifetime photo collections Hi Dave et al, I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. Take care, Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Upper High Street Taunton.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3102655 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Feb 6 13:37:57 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 19:37:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1B545E18-3239-4900-BC10-D5A1BDCAD988@icloud.com> Quick warnig abut the Epson software with the V550. When scanning slides, don?t use the dust removal filter as it can cause nasty artifacts on scan, see attached. I had quite a long discussion with Epson about it before we discovered what was causing it! ? Graeme Wall > On 6 Feb 2021, at 19:12, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > That?s the spirit Barry. The trick is when doing the maths for how many, how much time for each, total hours etc. STOP THERE! The next bit of calculation would be how many hours a day are you likely to manage, how many days off in-between, time off for hols etc. and you really don?t want to go there! I?ve done a fair bit of this myself but not had the courage to do any of the maths (or ?math? as increasingly I see used this side of the pond). I currently have an Epson Perfection V700 which is good on print scanning (often the only source material I have) but does make a reasonable job of negs as well. If the bulk of your slides are 35mm you could speed up the process significantly with a dedicated film scanner, mid-range products such as Plustek Opticfilm 8100 at ?270 and upwards I?m told do a good job. > > One of the relatively few old shots that I have in neg form (taken in 1963 by Rod Stebbing on his pride & joy Pentax SV) is the attached B&W of me walking by Vivary Park entrance gates in Taunton while the holiday traffic relentlessly files by. I was three inches taller then than I am now! At that time most of the Devon & Cornwall holiday traffic from the Midlands and North of England funnelled up and down this narrow route all day and all night. > > Good luck with the project, > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Barry Bonner > Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:48 PM > To: David Newbitt > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re:Lifetime photo collections > > Hi Dave et al, > I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! > > But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. > > Take care, > Barry. > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave ?On 06/02/2021 21:29, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > Fortunately, mine's not very big, but I still held my breath waiting > for the splash. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ym2F-tHdkk&feature=youtu.be > > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Feb 6 15:54:42 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2021 21:54:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] For those of you with a BIG one In-Reply-To: <10e67966-b173-6567-c93a-062845db76aa@btinternet.com> References: <10e67966-b173-6567-c93a-062845db76aa@btinternet.com> Message-ID: No, I meant my bike size of course! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 6 February 2021 21:47, dave.mdv wrote: > Your poor wife, I'm sorry you haven't got a big one! Oops, were you referring to your TV screen size? Sorry for the misunderstanding! Cheers, Dave > > On 06/02/2021 21:29, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > >> Fortunately, mine's not very big, but I still held my breath waiting for the splash. >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ym2F-tHdkk&feature=youtu.be >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Feb 6 17:03:07 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 23:03:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <1B545E18-3239-4900-BC10-D5A1BDCAD988@icloud.com> References: <1B545E18-3239-4900-BC10-D5A1BDCAD988@icloud.com> Message-ID: I recognise that stretch of road in Taunton, Dave, from frequent trips to Musgrove Park Hospital when the members of our preceding generation were on their way out. Mike G > On 6 Feb 2021, at 19:38, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Quick warnig abut the Epson software with the V550. When scanning slides, don?t use the dust removal filter as it can cause nasty artifacts on scan, see attached. I had quite a long discussion with Epson about it before we discovered what was causing it! > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > >> On 6 Feb 2021, at 19:12, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> That?s the spirit Barry. The trick is when doing the maths for how many, how much time for each, total hours etc. STOP THERE! The next bit of calculation would be how many hours a day are you likely to manage, how many days off in-between, time off for hols etc. and you really don?t want to go there! I?ve done a fair bit of this myself but not had the courage to do any of the maths (or ?math? as increasingly I see used this side of the pond). I currently have an Epson Perfection V700 which is good on print scanning (often the only source material I have) but does make a reasonable job of negs as well. If the bulk of your slides are 35mm you could speed up the process significantly with a dedicated film scanner, mid-range products such as Plustek Opticfilm 8100 at ?270 and upwards I?m told do a good job. >> >> One of the relatively few old shots that I have in neg form (taken in 1963 by Rod Stebbing on his pride & joy Pentax SV) is the attached B&W of me walking by Vivary Park entrance gates in Taunton while the holiday traffic relentlessly files by. I was three inches taller then than I am now! At that time most of the Devon & Cornwall holiday traffic from the Midlands and North of England funnelled up and down this narrow route all day and all night. >> >> Good luck with the project, >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Barry Bonner >> Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:48 PM >> To: David Newbitt >> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re:Lifetime photo collections >> >> Hi Dave et al, >> I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! >> >> But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. >> >> Take care, >> Barry. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sun Feb 7 01:57:14 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:57:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> What an evocative picture of life in the '60s! Even to the proud name plate of the 'Somerset & Wilts Savings Bank". And every car home-made! Hugh On 06-Feb-21 7:12 PM, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > That?s the spirit Barry. The trick is when doing the maths for how > many, how much time for each, total hours etc. STOP THERE! The next > bit of calculation would be how many hours a day are you likely to > manage, how many days off in-between, time off for hols etc. and you > really don?t want to go there! I?ve done a fair bit of this myself but > not had the courage to do any of the maths (or ?math? as increasingly > I see used this side of the pond). I currently have an Epson > Perfection V700 which is good on print scanning (often the only source > material I have) but does make a reasonable job of negs as well. If > the bulk of your slides are 35mm you could speed up the process > significantly with a dedicated film scanner, mid-range products such > as Plustek Opticfilm 8100 at ?270 and upwards I?m told do a good job. > One of the relatively few old shots that I have in neg form (taken in > 1963 by Rod Stebbing on his pride & joy Pentax SV) is the attached B&W > of me walking by Vivary Park entrance gates in Taunton while the > holiday traffic relentlessly files by. I was three inches taller then > than I am now!? At that time most of the Devon & Cornwall holiday > traffic from the Midlands and North of England funnelled up and down > this narrow route all day and all night. > Good luck with the project, > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Barry Bonner > *Sent:* Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:48 PM > *To:* David Newbitt > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re:Lifetime photo collections > Hi Dave et al, > I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during > solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w > negatives.? I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at > 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and > scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using > iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all > the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per > picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very > noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality > and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some > films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six > as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of > six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so > far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole > life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it > is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! > But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. > Take care, > Barry. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He?s got more air between his ears than there is in his bike tyres! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: techtone via Tech1 > Sent: 06 February 2021 21:30 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: [Tech1] For those of you with a BIG screen > > Fortunately, mine's not very big, but I still held my breath waiting for the splash. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ym2F-tHdkk&feature=youtu.be > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Feb 7 04:09:56 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 10:09:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> <4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: > On 7 Feb 2021, at 07:57, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > What an evocative picture of life in the '60s! Even to the proud name plate of the 'Somerset & Wilts Savings Bank". And every car home-made! > > Hugh > All going North? My Phone Xs has macro facility It can photograph slides to 12 Mp I place the slide on a soft light and shoot either full frame or zoomed in a touch. Its brill at prints too. Scanning is tedious business, photography is easy. Photos has some brilliant tools. Roger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Feb 7 04:38:35 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 10:38:35 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> <4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes Hugh ? that?s the reason for the affection I have for the scene, not the rear view of yours truly! I mentioned the early Pentax SLR it was taken on and am reminded that I didn?t own a camera at the time. However, the just discernible leather strap round my neck was attached to a leather ER (Ever Ready) case holding a 2 1/4? sq. bellows camera, specifically a Zeiss Ikon Nettar. My parent?s next door neighbours had a RN Petty Officer son-in-law who had illicitly brought it into the UK and given it to his wife?s brother who then bought a Wrayflex (remember that? ? Britain?s one and only SLR) and allowed me the semi pemanent loan of the Zeiss. However given that Board of Trade import restrictions on foreign cameras meant the only legitimate source in the UK for Zeiss cameras was Peeling & Komlosy of Dunstable (with a long queue of would-be owners), the neighbours were so jittery at the prospect of being found out that they had me return it so it could be hidden away. I guess all this means there would be relatively few UK photographs from the 50s and early 60s taken on Zeiss cameras so those I took may have a bit of uniqueness. Dave Newbitt. From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 7:57 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections What an evocative picture of life in the '60s! Even to the proud name plate of the 'Somerset & Wilts Savings Bank". And every car home-made! Hugh On 06-Feb-21 7:12 PM, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: That?s the spirit Barry. The trick is when doing the maths for how many, how much time for each, total hours etc. STOP THERE! The next bit of calculation would be how many hours a day are you likely to manage, how many days off in-between, time off for hols etc. and you really don?t want to go there! I?ve done a fair bit of this myself but not had the courage to do any of the maths (or ?math? as increasingly I see used this side of the pond). I currently have an Epson Perfection V700 which is good on print scanning (often the only source material I have) but does make a reasonable job of negs as well. If the bulk of your slides are 35mm you could speed up the process significantly with a dedicated film scanner, mid-range products such as Plustek Opticfilm 8100 at ?270 and upwards I?m told do a good job. One of the relatively few old shots that I have in neg form (taken in 1963 by Rod Stebbing on his pride & joy Pentax SV) is the attached B&W of me walking by Vivary Park entrance gates in Taunton while the holiday traffic relentlessly files by. I was three inches taller then than I am now! At that time most of the Devon & Cornwall holiday traffic from the Midlands and North of England funnelled up and down this narrow route all day and all night. Good luck with the project, Dave Newbitt. From: Barry Bonner Sent: Saturday, February 6, 2021 2:48 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re:Lifetime photo collections Hi Dave et al, I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. 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That didn?t prevent them seeing our abandonment of God?s own county as little short of treachery. I could hold my head high though at the County Cricket Ground in Taunton by being the sole cheer leader for Freddy Trueman when Somerset hosted Yorkshire. Dave Newbitt. From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 10:09 AM To: Hugh Sheppard Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections On 7 Feb 2021, at 07:57, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: What an evocative picture of life in the '60s! Even to the proud name plate of the 'Somerset & Wilts Savings Bank". And every car home-made! Hugh All going North? My Phone Xs has macro facility It can photograph slides to 12 Mp I place the slide on a soft light and shoot either full frame or zoomed in a touch. Its brill at prints too. Scanning is tedious business, photography is easy. Photos has some brilliant tools. Roger -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 7 05:14:20 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:14:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FBE9EE2-A2BD-476B-A3D3-CE8DD2F904CE@me.com> I digitise slides and negatives using gear which I already have lying around. My iPhone is the camera, an iPad is the light box and a small microphone stand boom arm serves as a copying stand to hold the iPhone in position. The iPad displays a plain white screen ( other tints can be used for colour correction if you?re so inclined ) and has a sheet of plastic diffuser placed over it. If you set the camera preferences to show framing lines ( grid ), it also shows two tiny crosses in the centre, when they overlap, the camera is perfectly flat and level, so no trapezoid distortion. To avoid camera shake, the earbuds are plugged in and the buttons work as a cable shutter release. I also use an app to remove metadata from pictures taken in this way because otherwise it confuses some of the automatic features used by the Photo app to organise my pictures. When I have a lot of slides or negatives to scan, I fit as many as possible onto the iPad, take one picture and then selectively extract individual pictures later. Strips of negatives occasionally need to be held flat with a sheet of glass salvaged from the scanner part of a junked printer. Obviously there is reduced quality shooting multiple slides at once compared to shooting them full frame, but it?s still impressively good and I give the extracted picture a file name telling me where to find the original if I want to scan it individually at optimal quality. Scanned colour or B&W negatives can be converted to positives using graphic apps. I do it manually using Pixelmator ( highly recommended for Macs ), but some offers no automatic facility. It usually then needs colour correction which can be done automatically for speed or manually when it?s critical. I?m using a fair amount of gear to do this, but it?s all stuff which I already have and I like the idea of adapting what I already have rather than buying special equipment. A friend liked the way I do transparency copying and had everything except a suitable microphone stand. He proudly showed me the copying he stand made by cutting down a box from the wine merchant, adjusted to be just the right size to hold an iPad, with a hole for the iPhone lens and a thick cardboard frame to drop the iPhone into so that it is correctly aligned. He also used the same idea to make a light box for photographing small articles which he trades on eBay. His light tent used tracing paper sides and Anglepoise lamps to illuminate the subject from all sides and he sometimes uses an iPad for illumination from underneath, tweaking the screen brightness allows very subtle control. Occasionally I use some negative holders which came with an old scanner which also offered transparency scanning facilities, but the scanning process turned out to be time consuming and fiddly for anything other than the occasional scan. Using my iPhone setup the limiting factor is how quickly the slides can be loaded onto and off the iPad screen. As we happen to have more than one iPad, one iPad is loaded up, placed under the camera and then slid out the other side by the next one carefully sliding into place. The process can be repeated quite efficiently. If I want the highest quality results, I do much the same setup but with a DSLR instead of an iPhone. Alan Taylor > On 7 Feb 2021, at 10:10, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > >> On 7 Feb 2021, at 07:57, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >> >> What an evocative picture of life in the '60s! Even to the proud name plate of the 'Somerset & Wilts Savings Bank". And every car home-made! >> >> Hugh >> > > All going North? > > > My Phone Xs has macro facility > It can photograph slides to 12 Mp > I place the slide on a soft light and shoot either full frame or zoomed in a touch. > Its brill at prints too. > Scanning is tedious business, photography is easy. > Photos has some brilliant tools. > > Roger > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sun Feb 7 05:40:39 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:40:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Message-ID: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> I?m sending this again as it hasn?t come back to me on Tech-ops! I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Feb 7 05:45:14 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:45:14 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> References: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7C9C9FF7E333487EA90A75080112A30B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I got it first time round Barry and responded yesterday at 1912. From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:40 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I?m sending this again as it hasn?t come back to me on Tech-ops! I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. It?s quite a task as I?m also getting rid of dust and scratches on each image and correcting the colour balance etc. using iPhoto. I?ve got about 7500+ to do, which by the time I?ve done all the de-dusting, loading, scans, and tweaks which take about 5 mins per picture, it will take around 600 hours to complete the task! One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. The scanner takes two rows of six negs at a time but only four slides. I?ve done 4000 colour pics so far. Just the circa 3600 b&w negs dating from the1960s to do! My whole life?s work reduced to one flash drive?how sad! Remembering where it is and who the people are in the pictures is of course another problem! But in spite of all that they look terrific on my 49" Samsung 4K TV. Barry. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 7 05:48:18 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 11:48:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <7C9C9FF7E333487EA90A75080112A30B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> <7C9C9FF7E333487EA90A75080112A30B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <601fd381.1c69fb81.1cce4.5253@mx.google.com> Tardis rides again! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 07 February 2021 11:45 To: Barry Bonner; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I got it first time round Barry and responded yesterday at 1912. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 7 06:40:51 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 12:40:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> References: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <601fdfd2.1c69fb81.4cf8b.1e15@mx.google.com> Barry?s posting reminded me of an earlier hobby ? I used to do my own home processing of reversal film ? a photoflood through the transparent film loading spirals. Working on ?Fiddler? the DoP was interested that I was using a stereo stills camera, and suggested that I got a short end off the camera boys to load into empty 35mm cassettes, then after exposure give it to them to attach to a roll of film sent back to the UK for processing by Technicolor. Thus when the rushes came back, there was a positive print. I think the stock was Eastmancolor negative. Apparently this is a well known procedure as DoP?s will try some test shots with a Leica, using the stock for the main shoot. Ossie Morris (the DoP in this case) was happy to send in my shots under his name, bless him! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 07 February 2021 11:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. ?I bought an Epson V550 Photo scanner and am scanning at 800dpi. One very noticeable thing I?ve discovered is the wide variation of film quality and processing, not to mention the numbering being reversed on some films and the negs cut (mainly by Bonusprint) into fours and not six as I did on my home processed b&w films. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 7 08:21:03 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:21:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mad Biker Message-ID: <601ff74f.1c69fb81.4239e.60fa@mx.google.com> If you view the video ?How we made.....? It seems as though there was a recce carried out. I wondered how they got to the top ? a long slog ? maybe too expensive to hire a heli to get them up there. Full marks to the drone operator, and the pictures were really good ? maybe Go-Pro cameras? There?s more info on www. Redbull site: The Slabs: Danny MacAskill's "wildest"-ever project - Red Bull https://www.redbull.com ? gb-en ? danny-macaskill-the-sl.. I still think he?s bonkers! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun Feb 7 08:28:56 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:28:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Something to occupy your time during the rest of lockdown. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you have built Bernie's EMI 2001 on a Vinten Ped, why not build another camera? and pan head and put it on a Vinten Heron? No kit, but the cut out pages are here: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-heron-cutout-card-model-1-12-scale/ It WILL take time, patience and cocktail sticks, but you get this: Best regards, keep safe! -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: fejehdnomhfjllei.png Type: image/png Size: 424375 bytes Desc: not available URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sun Feb 7 10:05:04 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:05:04 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <601fdfd2.1c69fb81.4cf8b.1e15@mx.google.com> References: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> <601fdfd2.1c69fb81.4cf8b.1e15@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5FE17D68DA4847AE9BDDF299559E92C9@NewOffice> Your reminiscences of darkrooms and film stock certainly brought back memories to me Pat. In the days when some programs were recorded on 35mm film, you could go and ask them if they had any ends of reels. You would normally get around twenty five feet, which would fill about five cassettes. I used a most of it shooting some friends who had just formed a group called Queen. This is at the Marquee. It was very slow film, 25ASA I think. It needed creative developing when shooting in low light levels like this. They then wanted me to do the cover of their first LP, and wanted a colour photo session in Freddie?s flat. The camera was a Zenith 3M SLR, and I managed to cobble together some lights with Photoflood bulbs, but not really enough light for colour. Only daylight negative film was available then, and I knew that by the time added the blue correction filter, it would be very difficult to shoot. I then discovered that it was possible to buy short lengths of artificial light Eastmancolor negative, presumably leftovers from the Film industry. So that is what I used. This photo was chosen to be the cover, but Brian had seen some photos in the Times Colour Supplement by the Lumiere brothers using the Autocrome process, and that?s how they wanted it to look. The Lumieres made the glass photo plate sticky, sprinkled it with grains of potato starch coloured red, green, and blue. The plate was then squeezed so that each globular grain became flat coloured filter. The photograph was taken and reversal processed to produce a colour slide. My method was to cover a sheet of black card with red, green, and blue glitter powder, photograph that, and use it as a mask negative on top of the main negative. You can see the result, and everyone was happy.........for a while, then Brian had an other idea based on stress patterns in stretched cling film photographed with opposing polaroid filters. He had chosen a photo of Freddie taken at the same Marquee gig, arms raised, with beams from overhead light shining on him. He wanted the beams enlarged and rotated slightly. He wanted me to stretch cling film to produce rainbow coloured lines when shot with the crossed polaroid filters. The multi-coloureds streaks were to be inserted into the beams to make it look as if Freddie was illuminated with rainbow light. Although the effect was bright to the eye, it never photographed well, and looked washed out in the print. I printed several versions of the idea and others I thought might work. At the same time I was producing hundreds of prints for Freddie and Brian to create the montage for the back of the album. Decision time came, and I went to a meeting at EMI. We decided on the changes that needed to be made, and I was then told it was needed by the next day to meet the print deadline. So all night in the darkroom and I managed to deliver. Eighty per cent of the photos on the back are mine, and I printed them all for the montage. I was paid about ?250 for the work. I had never colour printed before, so I spent that and more on paper and chemicals. I still prefer the original. That might have made it on to the recent Queen stamps. Still, over the years I have a few lines in the authorised Queen biography, I have been interviewed for a history of queen DVD, and given a talk at a fan club weekend. I had photos in a Freddie Mercury exhibition at the Royal Albert Hall, and in their ?Greatest Pix? book Lord Snowden has the front cover, and mine is the first photo inside. But I have to say that the most staggering thing to me is that typing Douglas Puddifoot into Google gets 25,000 hits. I had very great enjoyment out of the whole thing, and certainly got my five minutes of fame. Also they did purchase my archive of negatives a few years ago for a little more than they paid for the work at the time. Doug From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 12:40 PM To: Barry Bonner ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Barry?s posting reminded me of an earlier hobby ? I used to do my own home processing of reversal film ? a photoflood through the transparent film loading spirals. Working on ?Fiddler? the DoP was interested that I was using a stereo stills camera, and suggested that I got a short end off the camera boys to load into empty 35mm cassettes, then after exposure give it to them to attach to a roll of film sent back to the UK for processing by Technicolor. Thus when the rushes came back, there was a positive print. I think the stock was Eastmancolor negative. Apparently this is a well known procedure as DoP?s will try some test shots with a Leica, using the stock for the main shoot. Ossie Morris (the DoP in this case) was happy to send in my shots under his name, bless him! Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You would normally get around twenty five feet, which would fill about five cassettes. I used a most of it shooting some friends who had just formed a group called Queen. This is at the Marquee. It was very slow film, 25ASA I think. It needed creative developing when shooting in low light levels like this. They then wanted me to do the cover of their first LP, and wanted a colour photo session in Freddie?s flat. The camera was a Zenith 3M SLR, and I managed to cobble together some lights with Photoflood bulbs, but not really enough light for colour. Only daylight negative film was available then, and I knew that by the time added the blue correction filter, it would be very difficult to shoot. I then discovered that it was possible to buy short lengths of artificial light Eastmancolor negative, presumably leftovers from the Film industry. So that is what I used. This photo was chosen to be the cover, but Brian had seen some photos in the Times Colour Supplement by the Lumiere brothers using the Autocrome process, and that?s how they wanted it to look. The Lumieres made the glass photo plate sticky, sprinkled it with grains of potato starch coloured red, green, and blue. The plate was then squeezed so that each globular grain became flat coloured filter. The photograph was taken and reversal processed to produce a colour slide. My method was to cover a sheet of black card with red, green, and blue glitter powder, photograph that, and use it as a mask negative on top of the main negative. You can see the result, and everyone was happy.........for a while, then Brian had an other idea based on stress patterns in stretched cling film photographed with opposing polaroid filters. He had chosen a photo of Freddie taken at the same Marquee gig, arms raised, with beams from overhead light shining on him. He wanted the beams enlarged and rotated slightly. He wanted me to stretch cling film to produce rainbow coloured lines when shot with the crossed polaroid filters. The multi-coloureds streaks were to be inserted into the beams to make it look as if Freddie was illuminated with rainbow light. Although the effect was bright to the eye, it never photographed well, and looked washed out in the print. I printed several versions of the idea and others I thought might work. At the same time I was producing hundreds of prints for Freddie and Brian to create the montage for the back of the album. Decision time came, and I went to a meeting at EMI. We decided on the changes that needed to be made, and I was then told it was needed by the next day to meet the print deadline. So all night in the darkroom and I managed to deliver. Eighty per cent of the photos on the back are mine, and I printed them all for the montage. I was paid about ?250 for the work. I had never colour printed before, so I spent that and more on paper and chemicals. I still prefer the original. That might have made it on to the recent Queen stamps. Still, over the years I have a few lines in the authorised Queen biography, I have been interviewed for a history of queen DVD, and given a talk at a fan club weekend. I had photos in a Freddie Mercury exhibition at the Royal Albert Hall, and in their ?Greatest Pix? book Lord Snowden has the front cover, and mine is the first photo inside. But I have to say that the most staggering thing to me is that typing Douglas Puddifoot into Google gets 25,000 hits. I had very great enjoyment out of the whole thing, and certainly got my five minutes of fame. Also they did purchase my archive of negatives a few years ago for a little more than they paid for the work at the time. Doug From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 12:40 PM To: Barry Bonner ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Barry?s posting reminded me of an earlier hobby ? I used to do my own home processing of reversal film ? a photoflood through the transparent film loading spirals. Working on ?Fiddler? the DoP was interested that I was using a stereo stills camera, and suggested that I got a short end off the camera boys to load into empty 35mm cassettes, then after exposure give it to them to attach to a roll of film sent back to the UK for processing by Technicolor. Thus when the rushes came back, there was a positive print. I think the stock was Eastmancolor negative. Apparently this is a well known procedure as DoP?s will try some test shots with a Leica, using the stock for the main shoot. Ossie Morris (the DoP in this case) was happy to send in my shots under his name, bless him! Pat -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MQ5[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74648 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Portrait-corrected[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 93453 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I used to blow-up ridiculous size images from the negatives. As you said, a reel end would fill several 36 exp. cassettes. Cheers, Dave On 07/02/2021 16:05, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > Your reminiscences? of darkrooms and film stock certainly brought back > memories to me Pat. In the days when some programs were recorded on > 35mm film, you could go and ask them if they had any ends of reels. > You would normally get around twenty five feet, which would fill about > five cassettes. I used a most of it shooting some friends who had just > formed a group called Queen. > MQ5 > This is at the Marquee. It was very slow film, 25ASA I think. It > needed creative developing when shooting in low light levels like > this.? They then wanted me to do the cover of their first LP, > and wanted a colour photo session in Freddie?s flat. The camera was a > Zenith 3M SLR, and I managed to cobble together some lights with > Photoflood bulbs, but not really enough light for colour. Only > daylight negative film was available then, and I knew that by the time > added the blue correction filter, it would be very difficult to shoot. > I then discovered that it was possible to buy short lengths of > artificial light Eastmancolor negative, presumably leftovers from the > Film industry. So that is what I used. > Portrait-corrected Original Cover > This photo was chosen to be the cover, but Brian had seen some photos > in the Times Colour Supplement by the Lumiere brothers using the > Autocrome process, and that?s how they wanted it to look. The Lumieres > made the glass photo plate sticky, sprinkled it with grains of potato > starch coloured red, green, and blue. The plate was then squeezed so > that each globular grain became flat coloured filter. The photograph > was taken and reversal processed to produce a colour slide. My method > was to cover a sheet of black card with red, green, and blue glitter > powder, photograph that, and use it as a mask negative on top of the > main negative. You can see the result, and everyone was > happy.........for a while, then Brian had an other idea based on > stress patterns in stretched cling film photographed with opposing > polaroid filters. He had chosen a photo of Freddie taken at the same > Marquee gig, arms raised, with beams from overhead light shining on > him. He wanted the beams enlarged and rotated slightly. He wanted me > to stretch cling film to produce rainbow coloured lines when shot with > the crossed polaroid filters. The multi-coloureds streaks were to be > inserted into the beams to make it look as if Freddie was illuminated > with rainbow light. Although the effect was bright to the eye, it > never photographed well, and looked washed out in the print. I printed > several versions of the idea and others I thought might work.? At the > same time I was producing hundreds of prints for Freddie and Brian to > create the montage for the back of the album. Decision time came, and > I went to a meeting at EMI. We decided on the changes that needed to > be made, and I was_then _told it was needed by the next day to meet > the print deadline. So all night in the darkroom and I managed to > deliver. > Cover FrontBack Cover > Eighty per cent of the photos on the back are mine, and I printed them > all for the montage. I was paid about ?250 for the work. I had never > colour printed before, so I spent that and more on paper and > chemicals.? I still prefer the original. That might have made it on to > the recent Queen stamps. Still, over the years I have a few lines in > the authorised Queen biography, I have been interviewed for a history > of queen DVD, and given a talk at a fan club weekend. I had? photos in > a Freddie Mercury exhibition at the Royal Albert Hall, and in their > ?Greatest Pix? book Lord Snowden has the front cover, and mine is the > first photo inside. But I have to say that the most staggering thing > to me is that typing Douglas Puddifoot into Google gets 25,000 hits. I > had very great enjoyment out of the whole thing, and certainly got my > five minutes of fame. Also they did purchase my archive of negatives a > few years ago for a little more than they paid for the work at the time. > Doug > *From:* patheigham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Sunday, February 7, 2021 12:40 PM > *To:* Barry Bonner ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections > > Barry?s posting reminded me of an earlier hobby ? I used to do my own > home processing of reversal film ? a photoflood through the > transparent film loading spirals. > > Working on ?Fiddler? the DoP was interested that I was using a stereo > stills camera, and suggested that I got a short end off the camera > boys to load into empty 35mm cassettes, then after exposure give it to > them to attach to a roll of film sent back to the UK for processing by > Technicolor. Thus when the rushes came back, there was a positive > print. I think the stock was Eastmancolor negative. Apparently this is > a well known procedure as DoP?s will try some test shots with a Leica, > using the stock for the main shoot. Ossie Morris (the DoP in this > case) was happy to send in my shots under his name, bless him! > > Pat > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MQ5[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74648 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Portrait-corrected[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 93453 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Original Cover[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 57024 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(5 x 6 negative strips), 12 x 2"x2", and 6 x 4.5 up to 9x6, 12 x 10 mm., and 13 x 5.5mm. with 150-300-600 dpi scanning. Unfortunately, Linux don't do a driver for it! So I have to stick with W7! Cheers, Dave On 07/02/2021 11:14, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I digitise slides and negatives using gear which I already have lying > around. ?My iPhone is the camera, an iPad is the light box and a small > microphone stand boom arm serves as a copying stand to hold the iPhone > in position. > > The iPad displays a plain white screen ( other tints can be used for > colour correction if you?re so inclined ) and has a sheet of plastic > diffuser placed over it. If you set the camera preferences to show > framing lines ( grid ), it also shows two tiny crosses in the centre, > when they overlap, the camera is perfectly flat and level, so no > trapezoid distortion. > > To avoid camera shake, the earbuds are plugged in and the buttons work > as a cable shutter release. ?I also use an app to remove metadata from > pictures taken in this way because otherwise it confuses some of the > automatic features used by the Photo app to organise my pictures. > > When I have a lot of slides or negatives to scan, I fit as many as > possible onto the iPad, take one picture and then selectively extract > individual pictures later. Strips of negatives occasionally need to be > held flat with a sheet of glass salvaged from the scanner part of a > junked printer. Obviously there is reduced quality shooting multiple > slides at once compared to shooting them full frame, but it?s still > impressively good and I give the extracted picture a file name telling > me where to find the original if I want to scan it individually at > optimal quality. > > Scanned colour or B&W negatives can be converted to positives using > graphic apps. ?I do it manually using Pixelmator ( highly recommended > for Macs ), but some offers no automatic facility. ?It usually then > needs colour correction which can be done automatically for speed or > manually when it?s critical. > > I?m using a fair amount of gear to do this, but it?s all stuff which I > already have and I like the idea of adapting what I already have > rather than buying special equipment. A friend liked the way I do > transparency copying and had everything except a suitable microphone > stand. ?He proudly showed me the copying he stand made by cutting down > a box from the wine merchant, adjusted to be just the right size to > hold an iPad, with a hole for the iPhone lens and a thick cardboard > frame to drop the iPhone into so that it is correctly aligned. ?He > also used the same idea to make a light box for photographing small > articles which he trades on eBay. His light tent used tracing paper > sides and Anglepoise lamps to illuminate the subject from all sides > and he sometimes uses an iPad for illumination from underneath, > tweaking the screen brightness allows very subtle control. > > ?Occasionally I use some negative holders which came with an old > scanner which also offered transparency scanning facilities, but the > scanning process turned out to be time consuming and fiddly for > anything other than the occasional scan. Using my iPhone setup the > limiting factor is how quickly the slides can be loaded onto and off > the iPad screen. As we happen to have more than one iPad, ?one iPad is > loaded up, placed under the camera and then slid out the other side by > the next one carefully sliding into place. The process can be repeated > quite efficiently. > > If I want the highest quality results, I do much the same setup but > with a DSLR instead of an iPhone. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 7 Feb 2021, at 10:10, Roger E Long via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >>> On 7 Feb 2021, at 07:57, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> What an evocative picture of life in the '60s! Even to the proud >>> name plate of the 'Somerset & Wilts Savings Bank". And every car >>> home-made! >>> >>> Hugh >>> >> >> All going North? >> >> >> My Phone Xs has macro facility >> It can photograph slides to 12 Mp >> I place the slide on a soft light ?and shoot either full frame or >> zoomed in a touch. >> Its brill at prints too. >> Scanning is tedious business, photography is easy. >> Photos has some brilliant tools. >> >> Roger >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Feb 7 11:56:26 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:56:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <601fdfd2.1c69fb81.4cf8b.1e15@mx.google.com> References: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> <601fdfd2.1c69fb81.4cf8b.1e15@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9999B1D4-AB28-454B-A864-033629AE6675@btinternet.com> I used to shoot with 35mm Eastman short ends from the camera dept with a Dixons Prinzflex East German SLR Humphries labs did the processing via AP They sent back 3 bracketed prints, very useful. I worked on an interview with the HRH Duke of Windsor and Wallace at their Bois De Bolougne Villa in 69, the stills from that the beeb bought and I bought a Pentax. Over the years the Eastman has faded, Kodachrome has not. When being introduced to the Duke by Kenneth Harris, the Observer editor, I put my hands in my pocket, and taking them out to shake a cloud of confetti fell on the floor, it was my wedding suit from the previous month. Roger > On 7 Feb 2021, at 12:40, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Barry?s posting reminded me of an earlier hobby ? I used to do my own home processing of reversal film ? a photoflood through the transparent film loading spirals. > Working on ?Fiddler? the DoP was interested that I was using a stereo stills camera, and suggested that I got a short end off the camera boys to load into empty 35mm cassettes, then after exposure give it to them to attach to a roll of film sent back to the UK for processing by Technicolor. Thus when the rushes came back, there was a positive print. I think the stock was Eastmancolor negative. Apparently this is a well known procedure as DoP?s will try some test shots with a Leica, using the stock for the main shoot. Ossie Morris (the DoP in this case) was happy to send in my shots under his name, bless him! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Feb 7 12:14:19 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:14:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mad Biker In-Reply-To: <601ff74f.1c69fb81.4239e.60fa@mx.google.com> References: <601ff74f.1c69fb81.4239e.60fa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <87B71139-5423-4ED1-A977-E7C1B72CAF8E@btinternet.com> 2 day shoot ,I drone lost Special grippy tires Large Rotor Brakes. Fkin Brilliant all round. One false move and he could have been Jam?.. Red Bull has money , this was no budget job. Roger > On 7 Feb 2021, at 14:21, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > If you view the video ?How we made.....? It seems as though there was a recce carried out. I wondered how they got to the top ? a long slog ? maybe too expensive to hire a heli to get them up there. > Full marks to the drone operator, and the pictures were really good ? maybe Go-Pro cameras? > There?s more info on www. Redbull site: > > > The Slabs: Danny MacAskill's "wildest"-ever project - Red Bull > https://www.redbull.com?? gb-en ? danny-macaskill-the-sl.. > > I still think he?s bonkers! > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Feb 7 12:18:01 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:18:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <9999B1D4-AB28-454B-A864-033629AE6675@btinternet.com> References: <9A194630-B04E-47EF-9908-FC07E8D795E0@btinternet.com> <601fdfd2.1c69fb81.4cf8b.1e15@mx.google.com> <9999B1D4-AB28-454B-A864-033629AE6675@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <308f9b7b-db88-e63f-c78e-2991df7dba3d@btinternet.com> Oops, I hope you picked every bit up! Amazing story, not many of us would have ever met them in person! Weren't we privileged in our jobs? I have been to famous peoples homes and seen how they live etc. , the gutter-press would love to have had the same access! Cheers, Dave On 07/02/2021 17:56, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > I used to shoot with 35mm ?Eastman short ends from the camera dept > with a Dixons Prinzflex East German SLR > Humphries labs did the processing via AP ,te > They sent back 3 bracketed prints, very useful. > I worked on an interview with the HRH Duke of Windsor and Wallace at > their Bois De Bolougne Villa in 69, the stills from that the beeb > bought and I bought a Pentax. > Over the years the Eastman has faded, Kodachrome has not. > When being introduced to ?the Duke by Kenneth Harris, the Observer > editor, I put my hands in my pocket, ?and taking them out to shake a > cloud of confetti fell on the floor, it was my wedding suit from the > previous month. > > Roger > >> On 7 Feb 2021, at 12:40, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Barry?s posting reminded me of an earlier hobby ? I used to do my own >> home processing of reversal film ? a photoflood through the >> transparent film loading spirals. >> Working on ?Fiddler? the DoP was interested that I was using a stereo >> stills camera, and suggested that I got a short end off the camera >> boys to load into empty 35mm cassettes, then after exposure give it >> to them to attach to a roll of film sent back to the UK for >> processing by Technicolor. Thus when the rushes came back, there was >> a positive print. I think the stock was Eastmancolor negative. >> Apparently this is a well known procedure as DoP?s will try some test >> shots with a Leica, using the stock for the main shoot. Ossie Morris >> (the DoP in this case) was happy to send in my shots under his name, >> bless him! >> Pat >> Sent fromMail for >> Windows 10 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Feb 7 12:51:08 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:51:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Reel ends Message-ID: ? And did you also know that there was a VT Engineer (a chap called Ian Lowe if I remember right) who made a device that could slit 2? video tape into 8x 1/4? tapes? It took a fair bit of bias and eq tweakery to make it usable for audio, but it was free! 35mm odd ends were plentiful everywhere because it cost money to process footage that hadn?t been exposed. So it was either dumped or re-canned for eagerly outstretched hands like mine (or ?ours? as it turns out!). One of my regrets now is that coming from Art School (photography course) I was obsessed with Rolleiflexes and Hasselblads, and now I?ve got loads of 2 1/4 sq negs that I can?t scan properly. No Queen or other Royalty, but lots of potentially valuable stuff. Cheers, (fellow Pentax S1A user back in the day, with clip-on spotmeter). Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 7 Feb 2021, at 16:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? Ditto, Doug, I used to go to the telerecording area in TVC and get reel ends of 35mm. B/W PanF! This was about ISO25 and was grainless but very slow! I used to blow-up ridiculous size images from the negatives. As you said, a reel end would fill several 36 exp. cassettes. Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Feb 7 12:56:13 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 18:56:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Message-ID: ? ??Funnily enough, I?m in the midst of a marathon neg scanning ordeal too, using a Plustek 8100 35mm film scanner at 1200dpi. Doing basic exposure and colour correction in the Plustek. Then I will do all the de-spotting, sharpening, fine cropping, critical colour, etc., in Paintshop Pro 2000 once they are all in captivity. So, what?s the best and most logical way to store and find files? I absolutely swear by Directory Opus 12 by GP Software. Directory Opus is a file management program that can be customised pretty much however you want, for the specific purpose of storing files logically, in a manner that makes finding, moving and copying anything a doddle. In addition to photos and videos etc., I have to keep track of a huge number of audio files. For many years I?ve been doing spoken word audio support for English language teaching books, and more recently iPad apps. Each project might contain up to 3000 individual one-word mp3 files (initially recorded as WAV so I have to keep both). Pic 1 below shows a screen grab of the basic Directory Opus home screen (you can customise it any way you want). You can see two identical drive/folder trees in column 1 & 3, and in 2 & 4. You can click on any drive or folder to expand to view sub-folders and file content, and view individual files as their listed filenames, or right click, and select ?view thumbnail?. Hover your mouse over a thumbnail to reveal the metadata. Click on a thumbnail to view it full screen and scroll through the rest of the files in that folder. Right click on a folder to create a new sub-folder or rename it. Ditto, for individual files/pix. Pic 1: dual lister view - you can copy and paste either way between the two listers to move files to another drive, folder, sub-folder, etc. Pic 2: on the right you can see my pix folders > pix files 358, and in column 4, all the thumbnails in that folder. Pic 3: shows the viewer screen. Customise it any way you want. Number and name folders any way you want. List folders in ascending or descending date order, or alphabetically up or down, etc. I use Directory Opus as a complete replacement for Windows Explorer. One double click on your desktop snd you straightaway see the entire drive/folder/file locations of everything in the entire computer and your local network. In the ?Scanned folders? folder there already 107 folders each containing numerous photos. Once set up, couldn?t be clearer or simpler. [cid:8E83FD0C-B156-4AC4-849E-18B93F4BA9B4] [cid:CE3BA5D9-07B3-40EC-8645-5372BC18E369] [cid:FA8BB5F5-3A64-4776-9904-ECEAFC52FD49] Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 Hi Dave et al, I?m not very disciplined but one thing I promised myself to do during solitary confinement was to scan all my slides, colour & b&w negatives. [etc.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 509746 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It had a wildly inaccurate fold-out wire frame 'viewfinder', but I persevered and started doing my own D&P, you can imagine how small the contact prints were, but I couldn't afford much as a schoolboy, I wasn't given extra pocket money to help out! Fortunately, having got the Zeiss Ikon, and continuing with my own D&P, our school had a well-equipped darkroom, and I often spent whole evenings up there poring over a hot enlarger. Developer, hypo, splish, splash, what do you mean, print tongs? I'm surprised I've lived this long to tell the tale! Producing prints on my all-time favourite paper, Kodak WSL, White Smooth Lustre, a sensuous experience all in itself! Sadly, I've no idea what happened to all the negs I used to have, so many of downtown Belfast in the late 50s, early 60s, may have been worth a fortune by now! Thanks for prompting the memories. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Feb 7 16:03:11 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:03:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com> References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com> Message-ID: <907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com> Absolutley not a job for me! Still, someone has to do it, Cheers, Dave On 29/01/2021 16:09, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > When in Manchester if you had problems with you home TV ?Aerial a > friendly "gesture" > to your "Search Hoist" driver could result in a quicker repair than > normal. > > In?the States they seem to a higher Tech approach to the situation > with Aerials! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pitEq8gjNj8&fbclid=IwAR17wog973ApGGEPMsdOg7DmLHm5Cg84d3l4WqvYVK8XJipr9FcdNpSAQ6M > > > Tony N. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Feb 7 16:39:13 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:39:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ranganation Message-ID: How are they managing to do Ranganation with two lots of audience and guests at close quarters? Mike G From mibridge at mac.com Sun Feb 7 16:54:22 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:54:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> <4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <148BA049-7EB7-42B0-AF7F-F44C8DE19756@mac.com> I had what sounds like the same plastic camera with a wire viewfinder at about the age of eight, when an Aunt visited us in Carmarthen and bought me one as a present, also from Woolworths, I believe. But at the age of eight, I relied on Boots to process and print. I was soon given a box camera a friend no longer wanted, which was rather better quality than the Box Brownie, but I have no recollection of the name, so I didn?t take all that many photos with the Woolworth?s job, but I do recall that the intended subject of each shot was minuscule and very much off-centre! I?ve still got them all somewhere ~ I hope. Mike G > On 7 Feb 2021, at 21:36, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > My dad bought me a Zeiss Ikon Nettar (was it called a 'signal nettar', or am I imagining that?) for passing the 11+, and it's somewhere in the house - probably languishing up in the loft in it's leather case! So that would have been 1956. > > Several years earlier I had bought my own camera, a half frame 127 in Woolworths for 3/11, whilst on holiday in Coleraine. It had a wildly inaccurate fold-out wire frame 'viewfinder', but I persevered and started doing my own D&P, you can imagine how small the contact prints were, but I couldn't afford much as a schoolboy, I wasn't given extra pocket money to help out! > > Fortunately, having got the Zeiss Ikon, and continuing with my own D&P, our school had a well-equipped darkroom, and I often spent whole evenings up there poring over a hot enlarger. Developer, hypo, splish, splash, what do you mean, print tongs? I'm surprised I've lived this long to tell the tale! Producing prints on my all-time favourite paper, Kodak WSL, White Smooth Lustre, a sensuous experience all in itself! > > Sadly, I've no idea what happened to all the negs I used to have, so many of downtown Belfast in the late 50s, early 60s, may have been worth a fortune by now! Thanks for prompting the memories. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Feb 7 17:19:27 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 23:19:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com> <4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <75D077AB650C4DA4B380865D56E1DFD1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> In the days before the shutter release button was interlocked with the wind-on lever, the Nettar had a red dot made visible on the top of the body following firing off a shot which then disappeared when the film was wound on. Sort of ?aide memoire?- hence ?Signal? Nettar. Not sure of the age of the one I had on loan as I only had it from 1963 onwards and it was fairly long in the tooth then. You can?t see much but this is a shot from 1964 of me holding it. I still have somewhere if I can unearth it a 1954 Zeiss booklet detailing all their cameras as imported by Peeling & Komlosy Dave Newbitt. From: techtone Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:36 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: Hugh Sheppard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections My dad bought me a Zeiss Ikon Nettar (was it called a 'signal nettar', or am I imagining that?) for passing the 11+, and it's somewhere in the house - probably languishing up in the loft in it's leather case! So that would have been 1956. Several years earlier I had bought my own camera, a half frame 127 in Woolworths for 3/11, whilst on holiday in Coleraine. It had a wildly inaccurate fold-out wire frame 'viewfinder', but I persevered and started doing my own D&P, you can imagine how small the contact prints were, but I couldn't afford much as a schoolboy, I wasn't given extra pocket money to help out! 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The finished article shows him doing the descent in one go like the famous sequence in the film 1915 but it wasn?t done all on the same day, was it? They lost a drone and wisely had a spare. I wonder if they took a spare bike and rider in case the first got wasted? Geoff Geoff > On 7 Feb 2021, at 18:14, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?2 day shoot ,I drone lost > Special grippy tires > Large Rotor Brakes. > Fkin Brilliant all round. > One false move and he could have been Jam?.. > Red Bull has money , this was no budget job. > > Roger > >> On 7 Feb 2021, at 14:21, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> If you view the video ?How we made.....? It seems as though there was a recce carried out. I wondered how they got to the top ? a long slog ? maybe too expensive to hire a heli to get them up there. >> Full marks to the drone operator, and the pictures were really good ? maybe Go-Pro cameras? >> There?s more info on www. Redbull site: >> >> The Slabs: Danny MacAskill's "wildest"-ever project - Red Bull >> https://www.redbull.com ? gb-en ? danny-macaskill-the-sl.. >> >> I still think he?s bonkers! >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Never cease to be amazed by the talents within this group. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 8 03:58:37 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 09:58:37 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <75D077AB650C4DA4B380865D56E1DFD1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <34AD927A9A1A47F9B402DCCE2AC47ABA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><36B2D111-8803-4489-9F42-937801B76B14@btinternet.com><4c90f016-c7eb-6cdc-9bf4-05a323bb33d0@btinternet.com> <75D077AB650C4DA4B380865D56E1DFD1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <991A0A44B56D4CF3A06128EFFD4CDBC2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> More suspect memory ? I think the red dot activation was the reverse of what I said, with its appearance signifying film had been wound on, not that it needed winding on. Did I turn off the gas and put the cat out? Dave Newbitt From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 11:19 PM To: techtone Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In the days before the shutter release button was interlocked with the wind-on lever, the Nettar had a red dot made visible on the top of the body following firing off a shot which then disappeared when the film was wound on. Sort of ?aide memoire?- hence ?Signal? Nettar. Not sure of the age of the one I had on loan as I only had it from 1963 onwards and it was fairly long in the tooth then. You can?t see much but this is a shot from 1964 of me holding it. I still have somewhere if I can unearth it a 1954 Zeiss booklet detailing all their cameras as imported by Peeling & Komlosy Dave Newbitt. From: techtone Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:36 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: Hugh Sheppard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections My dad bought me a Zeiss Ikon Nettar (was it called a 'signal nettar', or am I imagining that?) for passing the 11+, and it's somewhere in the house - probably languishing up in the loft in it's leather case! So that would have been 1956. Several years earlier I had bought my own camera, a half frame 127 in Woolworths for 3/11, whilst on holiday in Coleraine. It had a wildly inaccurate fold-out wire frame 'viewfinder', but I persevered and started doing my own D&P, you can imagine how small the contact prints were, but I couldn't afford much as a schoolboy, I wasn't given extra pocket money to help out! Fortunately, having got the Zeiss Ikon, and continuing with my own D&P, our school had a well-equipped darkroom, and I often spent whole evenings up there poring over a hot enlarger. Developer, hypo, splish, splash, what do you mean, print tongs? I'm surprised I've lived this long to tell the tale! Producing prints on my all-time favourite paper, Kodak WSL, White Smooth Lustre, a sensuous experience all in itself! Sadly, I've no idea what happened to all the negs I used to have, so many of downtown Belfast in the late 50s, early 60s, may have been worth a fortune by now! Thanks for prompting the memories. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It wasn?t till I was married and we had our first baby that I got an SLR, an Olympus OM-1 and was amazed how sharp the lens was, a Zuiko 50mm. The metering on that, the simple average type wasn?t very good so I got a Weston Master V. In 1991 I moved up to a Nikon 801 with a zoom lens and matrix metering which was much better and later a Nikon F-100, another great camera. When it became necessary to go digital, I got a Nikon D7000 which I still use. The problem with digital is that you take lots more shots and end up with loads of duplicates which can be hard to choose between. Like others of you, I have thousands which need sorting, not to mention prints still in their original folders and slides in their boxes. I have a Nikon Coolscan V film scanner which works well for strips of negatives and framed slides but for some reason they haven?t updated the drivers and I?ve had to keep an old computer running Windows XP just for that. Like the scanner Barry uses, it takes about five minutes to do a preview then a scan, which makes for slow progress. I bought a long-wanted Kodak Carousel for showing slides just as it was going out of fashion but slide shows done like that, if you can be bothered setting it up, still take a lot of beating, Geoff Hawkes Geoff > On 7 Feb 2021, at 23:20, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > ? > In the days before the shutter release button was interlocked with the wind-on lever, the Nettar had a red dot made visible on the top of the body following firing off a shot which then disappeared when the film was wound on. Sort of ?aide memoire?- hence ?Signal? Nettar. > > Not sure of the age of the one I had on loan as I only had it from 1963 onwards and it was fairly long in the tooth then. You can?t see much but this is a shot from 1964 of me holding it. > > > > I still have somewhere if I can unearth it a 1954 Zeiss booklet detailing all their cameras as imported by Peeling & Komlosy > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: techtone > Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:36 PM > To: David Newbitt > Cc: Hugh Sheppard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections > > My dad bought me a Zeiss Ikon Nettar (was it called a 'signal nettar', or am I imagining that?) for passing the 11+, and it's somewhere in the house - probably languishing up in the loft in it's leather case! So that would have been 1956. > > Several years earlier I had bought my own camera, a half frame 127 in Woolworths for 3/11, whilst on holiday in Coleraine. It had a wildly inaccurate fold-out wire frame 'viewfinder', but I persevered and started doing my own D&P, you can imagine how small the contact prints were, but I couldn't afford much as a schoolboy, I wasn't given extra pocket money to help out! > > Fortunately, having got the Zeiss Ikon, and continuing with my own D&P, our school had a well-equipped darkroom, and I often spent whole evenings up there poring over a hot enlarger. Developer, hypo, splish, splash, what do you mean, print tongs? I'm surprised I've lived this long to tell the tale! Producing prints on my all-time favourite paper, Kodak WSL, White Smooth Lustre, a sensuous experience all in itself! > > Sadly, I've no idea what happened to all the negs I used to have, so many of downtown Belfast in the late 50s, early 60s, may have been worth a fortune by now! Thanks for prompting the memories. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk Mon Feb 8 13:34:36 2021 From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:34:36 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Some special nature photos In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Patience, skill - or luck? Perhaps all three?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Feb 8 14:33:36 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:33:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com> References: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: My first camera! A twin lens reflex, don?t remember the make. St Brelades Bay, Jersey, 1953! ? Graeme Wall > On 8 Feb 2021, at 17:28, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?...nice photo Dave and what a handsome fellow you were! You remind me of the actor Michael York of Logan?s Run. He was born in 1942, so would be of similar age to yourself. > My first camera circa 1955 after borrowing my Mum?s box Brownie (which my brother still has) was a Kodak Brownie 127, followed by an Ilford Ford Sportie, the cutdown version of the Sportsman, both taking 120 roll film. My first 35mm was an Agfa Silette, bought second-hand from Vines in Hemel Hempstead. It didn?t have exposure metering and I used a Johnson?s exposure calculator if you remember those and I still have it in a drawer. > It wasn?t till I was married and we had our first baby that I got an SLR, an Olympus OM-1 and was amazed how sharp the lens was, a Zuiko 50mm. The metering on that, the simple average type wasn?t very good so I got a Weston Master V. In 1991 I moved up to a Nikon 801 with a zoom lens and matrix metering which was much better and later a Nikon F-100, another great camera. When it became necessary to go digital, I got a Nikon D7000 which I still use. > The problem with digital is that you take lots more shots and end up with loads of duplicates which can be hard to choose between. Like others of you, I have thousands which need sorting, not to mention prints still in their original folders and slides in their boxes. > I have a Nikon Coolscan V film scanner which works well for strips of negatives and framed slides but for some reason they haven?t updated the drivers and I?ve had to keep an old computer running Windows XP just for that. Like the scanner Barry uses, it takes about five minutes to do a preview then a scan, which makes for slow progress. > I bought a long-wanted Kodak Carousel for showing slides just as it was going out of fashion but slide shows done like that, if you can be bothered setting it up, still take a lot of beating, > Geoff Hawkes > > > > Geoff >> On 7 Feb 2021, at 23:20, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> In the days before the shutter release button was interlocked with the wind-on lever, the Nettar had a red dot made visible on the top of the body following firing off a shot which then disappeared when the film was wound on. Sort of ?aide memoire?- hence ?Signal? Nettar. >> >> Not sure of the age of the one I had on loan as I only had it from 1963 onwards and it was fairly long in the tooth then. You can?t see much but this is a shot from 1964 of me holding it. >> >> >> >> I still have somewhere if I can unearth it a 1954 Zeiss booklet detailing all their cameras as imported by Peeling & Komlosy >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: techtone >> Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:36 PM >> To: David Newbitt >> Cc: Hugh Sheppard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections >> >> My dad bought me a Zeiss Ikon Nettar (was it called a 'signal nettar', or am I imagining that?) for passing the 11+, and it's somewhere in the house - probably languishing up in the loft in it's leather case! So that would have been 1956. >> >> Several years earlier I had bought my own camera, a half frame 127 in Woolworths for 3/11, whilst on holiday in Coleraine. It had a wildly inaccurate fold-out wire frame 'viewfinder', but I persevered and started doing my own D&P, you can imagine how small the contact prints were, but I couldn't afford much as a schoolboy, I wasn't given extra pocket money to help out! >> >> Fortunately, having got the Zeiss Ikon, and continuing with my own D&P, our school had a well-equipped darkroom, and I often spent whole evenings up there poring over a hot enlarger. Developer, hypo, splish, splash, what do you mean, print tongs? I'm surprised I've lived this long to tell the tale! Producing prints on my all-time favourite paper, Kodak WSL, White Smooth Lustre, a sensuous experience all in itself! >> >> Sadly, I've no idea what happened to all the negs I used to have, so many of downtown Belfast in the late 50s, early 60s, may have been worth a fortune by now! Thanks for prompting the memories. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: First Camera.tif Type: image/tiff Size: 515800 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Mon Feb 8 14:37:50 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:37:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com> References: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dave Hawkes, For your Nikon Coolscan V you need a superb programme called VueScan. You can get a free demo from * https://www.hamrick.com/ * Ed Hamrick has been continually developing his scanning software for a very long time now and he covers every single scanner ....honestly, I don't know how he keeps up with all the models and computer operating systems, Windows and Macs ...but he does. The Nikon 9000 takes 35mm to 120 film and I run it on an an old Epson 4870 drum scanner as well for flat documents and prints etc. I've used VueScan on a Nikon Coolscan 9000 for many years now, and like your model, the old Nikon software was never updated after Windows XP. In fact I'm one of those 'old fashioned guys' who gave up digital and went back to film, using a Hasselblad 500 Series The fun came back into photography with a 'camera' not a 'computer with a lens'! I also only shoot in Black and White as well...because colour is 'just too much like reality'...whilst Black and White is all about the design and the contrasts in the image, that I love so much. If you like landscape photography take a look at Michael Kenna https://www.michaelkenna.com/ The greatest living landscape photographer...and oh it's all in Black and White and with a Hasselblad 500 Series. David www.davidtaylorimages.co.uk On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 17:28, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > ? > ?...nice photo Dave and what a handsome fellow you were! You remind me of > the actor Michael York of Logan?s Run. He was born in 1942, so would be of > similar age to yourself. > My first camera circa 1955 after borrowing my Mum?s box Brownie (which my > brother still has) was a Kodak Brownie 127, followed by an Ilford Ford > Sportie, the cutdown version of the Sportsman, both taking 120 roll film. > My first 35mm was an Agfa Silette, bought second-hand from Vines in Hemel > Hempstead. It didn?t have exposure metering and I used a Johnson?s exposure > calculator if you remember those and I still have it in a drawer. > It wasn?t till I was married and we had our first baby that I got an SLR, > an Olympus OM-1 and was amazed how sharp the lens was, a Zuiko 50mm. The > metering on that, the simple average type wasn?t very good so I got a > Weston Master V. In 1991 I moved up to a Nikon 801 with a zoom lens and > matrix metering which was much better and later a Nikon F-100, another > great camera. When it became necessary to go digital, I got a Nikon D7000 > which I still use. > The problem with digital is that you take lots more shots and end up with > loads of duplicates which can be hard to choose between. Like others of > you, I have thousands which need sorting, not to mention prints still in > their original folders and slides in their boxes. > I have a Nikon Coolscan V film scanner which works well for strips of > negatives and framed slides but for some reason they haven?t updated the > drivers and I?ve had to keep an old computer running Windows XP just for > that. Like the scanner Barry uses, it takes about five minutes to do a > preview then a scan, which makes for slow progress. > I bought a long-wanted Kodak Carousel for showing slides just as it was > going out of fashion but slide shows done like that, if you can be bothered > setting it up, still take a lot of beating, > Geoff Hawkes > > > > Geoff > > On 7 Feb 2021, at 23:20, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > In the days before the shutter release button was interlocked with the > wind-on lever, the Nettar had a red dot made visible on the top of the body > following firing off a shot which then disappeared when the film was wound > on. Sort of ?aide memoire?- hence ?Signal? Nettar. > > Not sure of the age of the one I had on loan as I only had it from 1963 > onwards and it was fairly long in the tooth then. You can?t see much but > this is a shot from 1964 of me holding it. > > > > I still have somewhere if I can unearth it a 1954 Zeiss booklet detailing > all their cameras as imported by Peeling & Komlosy > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* techtone > *Sent:* Sunday, February 7, 2021 9:36 PM > *To:* David Newbitt > *Cc:* Hugh Sheppard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections > > My dad bought me a Zeiss Ikon Nettar (was it called a 'signal nettar', or > am I imagining that?) for passing the 11+, and it's somewhere in the house > - probably languishing up in the loft in it's leather case! So that would > have been 1956. > > Several years earlier I had bought my own camera, a half frame 127 in > Woolworths for 3/11, whilst on holiday in Coleraine. It had a wildly > inaccurate fold-out wire frame 'viewfinder', but I persevered and started > doing my own D&P, you can imagine how small the contact prints were, but I > couldn't afford much as a schoolboy, I wasn't given extra pocket money to > help out! > > Fortunately, having got the Zeiss Ikon, and continuing with my own D&P, > our school had a well-equipped darkroom, and I often spent whole evenings > up there poring over a hot enlarger. Developer, hypo, splish, splash, what > do you mean, print tongs? I'm surprised I've lived this long to tell the > tale! Producing prints on my all-time favourite paper, Kodak WSL, White > Smooth Lustre, a sensuous experience all in itself! > > Sadly, I've no idea what happened to all the negs I used to have, so many > of downtown Belfast in the late 50s, early 60s, may have been worth a > fortune by now! Thanks for prompting the memories. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 8 16:19:53 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 22:19:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Oh, Alright then, here?s me with my Hasselblad 500c, probably about 1974. I?d gone on a camping holiday in France. In those days I had enough semi-pro justification to own the 50mm Distagon, 80mm Planar and 150mm Sonnar, all of which I eventually sold to buy a Triumph Spitfire (but not before buying a Nikon Photonic FTN and a couple of lenses). But like all of us, I daresay, I started life with much humbler cameras than that. As a photography student at Guildford School of Art, we had visiting lectures by Tony Armstrong Jones (ex GSA student ISTR) and later by David Bailey, both of whom said ?It doesn?t matter what camera you have, it?s the images you make with it that counts?. I was only semi-convinced by that, and have been buying and selling cameras ever since. Current favourite film camera: a little grey 4x4 Baby Rollei, still in very nice condition with the original Rollei decorative box it was sold in. But amidst all the Rollei and Hasselblad bragging, I still have my very first camera, the Brownie 127. I used to think that nothing could match the quality of 6x6 Hasselblad pix, but without any doubt whatsoever, my current Lumix G7 with its 14-140 lens beats everything I?ve used before. Cheers, Nick. [cid:84051252-AA2C-40A8-871B-09AD9C61E729] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Feb 2021, at 20:38, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Dave Hawkes, For your Nikon Coolscan V you need a superb programme called VueScan. You can get a free demo from https://www.hamrick.com/ Ed Hamrick has been continually developing his scanning software for a very long time now and he covers every single scanner ....honestly, I don't know how he keeps up with all the models and computer operating systems, Windows and Macs ...but he does. The Nikon 9000 takes 35mm to 120 film and I run it on an an old Epson 4870 drum scanner as well for flat documents and prints etc. I've used VueScan on a Nikon Coolscan 9000 for many years now, and like your model, the old Nikon software was never updated after Windows XP. In fact I'm one of those 'old fashioned guys' who gave up digital and went back to film, using a Hasselblad 500 Series The fun came back into photography with a 'camera' not a 'computer with a lens'! I also only shoot in Black and White as well...because colour is 'just too much like reality'...whilst Black and White is all about the design and the contrasts in the image, that I love so much. [etc.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60227c81.1c69fb81.5b858.859a@mx.google.com> That photo is reminiscent of the Dawlish disaster when the sea washed away the ballast! I am a great fan of Buster Keaton, and got a BluRay version of ?The General? I think there a doco on how it was shot, with another loco on a parallel track, with the camera mounted on huge baulks of timber strapped across the tender. I first was introduced to Keaton, when my Dad rented 16mm silent films from our local chemist who kept a small library. I persuaded the chap to sell me my favourite Laurel & Hardy ? ?With Love and Hisses? and I still have my Dad?s Kodascope projector which I completely stripped down and rebuilt, even redoing the paintwork in Hammerite, and having the mirrors in the lightpath, re-silvered. Only got the one lamp for it, and cannot get any spares, now. The pic is of a similar machine, not the one I rebuilt. In profile, it?s Mickey Mouse! Reels = ears, lens his nose. 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 07 February 2021 22:05 To: William Nuttall; , Subject: Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial Absolutley not a job for me! Still, someone has to do it, Cheers, Dave On 29/01/2021 16:09, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: When in Manchester if you had problems with you home TV ?Aerial a friendly "gesture" to your "Search Hoist" driver could result in a quicker repair than normal. In?the States they seem to a higher Tech approach to the situation with Aerials! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pitEq8gjNj8&fbclid=IwAR17wog973ApGGEPMsdOg7DmLHm5Cg84d3l4WqvYVK8XJipr9FcdNpSAQ6M Tony N. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Tue Feb 9 06:52:34 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:52:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aviation enthusiast In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was idling letting ADS-B Exchange run and had spotted a C-130J call sign RRR111 (serial XH866) out of Brize Norton doing the 'low level route' over Cornwall, so felt sure he'd come [past my house....which he did at 12.24. I have watched him return low level to Brize. And then I just noticed that nearby Brize Nortno, the the approach into at Fairford is a U-2 serial (80-1080) , the famous spy-plane, that the US Air Force still use. With ADB-S you can switch to see only the military aircraft ( menu 'U') and see a plot of their route with timings and altitude displayed (menu 'K'). This U-2 only seems to show a display back to Abbeville , that's Normandy isn't it? In fact the same C-130J RRR111 is now buzzing Fairford as well. Perhaps he want's to 'log' a U-2! Ah the misspent years of my youth that I wasted watching, and photographing planes! Dave T www.davidtaylorimages.co.uk On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 at 17:12, Peter Fox wrote: > Having spoken to my man at Fr24, they have stopped advertising blocking, > mainly because the others, (such as Plane Finder I guess,) have also > stopped offering it. He says some militaries request blocking, but the RAF > generally don?t ask for hiding. > They carry adsb transponders but have control themselves whether to > transmit or not which would depend on various factors such as the airspace > they are operating in or perhaps other unspecified circumstances! Joe says > he has often watched dogfights in the valleys. A formation team would > usually just have the flight leader transmitting. The police carry adsb but > it?s usually switched off! Basically self isolating. I believe a few > private individuals have previously asked for blocking but there may be > less of it from now on? > Another thing you may have noticed in the last couple of years is that > Transatlantic (and Pacific) flights are now satellite tracked in real time > and appear in blue. > > Peter Fox > > On 28 Jan 2021, at 18:19, David Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > Bernard, > Yes I prefer Plane Finder, which uses ADB-S receivers and it shows > military flights that are using a recognised civilian code and gives the > serial and callsign in the ID 'tag' > You can only easily see the callsign on those military flights that Flight > Radar 24 does show, and you are correct that it must be censoring some > military aircraft. > However, I can bring up details of previous flight on FR24. So could see > that a Brize Norton based Voyager had been operating out of the Falkland > Islands 'Mount Pleasant' airport for a month, as it came over my house > heading back to Brize recently. > I have the Pro versions of both, and can't now remember what gets omitted > in the free versions. > DT > > Get BlueMail for Android > On 28 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> For some reason Flightradar 24 censors flights. Here are two captures, >> one from FR24 and the other from ADSB Exchange, a few seconds apart. >> >> >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 28/01/2021 12:45, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Having been brought up in an RAF family, I've been a bit of an aviation >> enthusiasts since I started photography the aircraft at Lakenheath and >> Mildenhall when I was 12. >> In the early '60's we went to Singapore and I then 'misspent' my teenage >> years photographing the planes mainly at Changi. In those days you had to >> 'wait around' in the hope that something interesting would arrive. It >> usually did as Changi was a wonderfal place for visiting planes. >> A few years ago I found a renewed interest and my filming of the Flying >> Legends Airshows at Duxford was enhanced by using an airband radio to add >> an additional element to the videos. >> >> Now I can follow aircraft in real time on my mobile phone....like this >> morning when I 'watched C-130J Hercules serial ZH870, leave Brize Norton >> just after 9am and start threading it's way at low level across mid-Wales, >> out to sea then turn back across South Wales and into Somerset. At that >> point I knew it was 'heading my way'. That's because, where I live in very >> rural Dorset, we are on one of the military 'low flying zones' and the >> Brize Norton C-130's and A400's use the route past my house on a regular >> basis. Indeed this particular C-130 ZH870 is a regular and I just had to >> stand in a west facing bedroom at the right time to see him roar past, >> right on cue. >> Out to sea, and in some parts of the route, he was down to 500 feet but >> they come past us at between 800 and 1100 feet....it always seems so much >> lower! >> >> I'm using two apps to 'play this game': 'Plane Finder', which is great as >> it shows an 'RAF Roundel' symbol beside the appropriate planes and also >> 'Flight Radar 24' which only shows the call sign. >> It surprising that so many military aircraft, even Eurofighter Typhoons >> and F-35s can be 'spotted' this way. You see interesting things like say a >> French F-16 making an incursion into East Anglia....to be chased out by a >> pair of Typhoon's, or a 'Tanker' from Brize flying a 'race track' circuit >> out to sea whilst a jet refuels. >> The Mildenhall aircraft show up all the time (but the Lakenheath jets >> don't) and the apps are 'worldwide' so you can plot the routes back to >> their home bases. >> >> I've been watching the incredible C-130's in fact since the late '50's >> and surely it has been the greatest aviation success story...well since the >> C-47/DC-3/ Dakota I guess. >> >> My 1960's photos, of which I am really quite proud can be seen at >> www.davidtaylorimages/aviation and the video's from Flying Legends, and >> particularly the my sequence of a P-51 Mustang accident at Duxford- 'Loss >> of Big Beautiful Doll' *https://vimeo.com/26291756 >> * along with other videos on Vimeo. >> >> Dave T >> Nr Bridport Dorset >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Looks like track from "Our Hospitality "- Buster Keaton > (1923). > > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: hikepckdeabkldib.png Type: image/png Size: 871459 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Feb 9 14:35:02 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:35:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Track ? In-Reply-To: <861720b2-89ad-2a30-0b57-db7f8b936715@btinternet.com> References: , <861720b2-89ad-2a30-0b57-db7f8b936715@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Couldn?t be any bumpier than most of the roads around our neck o?the woods. We?re a third world country now where that?s concerned. Grumpy Nick. (But, grumpy mode off: at least the Rioja is still getting through - shaken, not stirred!) Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 9 Feb 2021, at 19:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? If it was actually like that I wouldn't want to travel on it at anything above walking pace! Cheers, Dave On 09/02/2021 10:14, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Don't believe everything you see on GOOGLE EARTH... [cid:part1.834CE4CA.C5ECED72 at btinternet.com] Main west coast rail route to Reggio Calabria and Sicily: this is at Ascea Italy. Looks like track from "Our Hospitality "- Buster Keaton (1923). -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As far as dropping spanners are concerned, if you went up into the grid in TVC you were supposed to wear pocketless overalls for that very reason! Cheers, Dave. On 09/02/2021 12:41, patheigham wrote: > > ?Poping up?? > > Would that be Vatican TV?? > > That film of the aerial change is frightening ? best not to drop the > spanner, but I did notice that there was no tether on the hammer! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *07 February 2021 22:05 > *To: *William Nuttall ; , > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial > > Absolutley not a job for me! Still, someone has to do it, Cheers, Dave > > On 29/01/2021 16:09, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > > When in Manchester if you had problems with you home TV ?Aerial a > friendly "gesture" > > to your "Search Hoist" driver could result in a quicker repair > than normal. > > In?the States they seem to a higher Tech approach to the situation > with Aerials! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pitEq8gjNj8&fbclid=IwAR17wog973ApGGEPMsdOg7DmLHm5Cg84d3l4WqvYVK8XJipr9FcdNpSAQ6M > > > Tony N. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Feb 9 18:24:56 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:24:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Track ? In-Reply-To: References: <861720b2-89ad-2a30-0b57-db7f8b936715@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58fc54f9f3davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Couldn?t be any bumpier than most of the roads around our neck o?the > woods. We?re a third world country now where that?s concerned. Grumpy > Nick. There is good news, though. Remember the Daleks on London Bridge? They couldn't get there now due to potholes. So we can sleep safe. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 22:26:12 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:26:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com> <907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com> <602282f4.1c69fb81.90dac.862e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Interesting that the full quotation is rarely made these days: [image: Screen Shot 2021-02-10 at 04.18.59.png] KW On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 at 22:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit! If only we were all as perfect as you, > Pat! I was told that the skyscrapers in NY were built by 'First Nation' men > (ie. Red Indians!) as they have no fear of heights, unlike the rest of us > normal mortals! I'm glad I didn't choose transmitters as my BBC career! As > far as dropping spanners are concerned, if you went up into the grid in TVC > you were supposed to wear pocketless overalls for that very reason! Cheers, > Dave. > On 09/02/2021 12:41, patheigham wrote: > > ?Poping up?? > > Would that be Vatican TV?? > > > > That film of the aerial change is frightening ? best not to drop the > spanner, but I did notice that there was no tether on the hammer! > > Pat > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 09 February 2021 22:22 To: patheigham; , Subject: Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit! If only we were all as perfect as you, Pat! I was told that the skyscrapers in NY were built by 'First Nation' men (ie. Red Indians!) as they have no fear of heights, unlike the rest of us normal mortals! I'm glad I didn't choose transmitters as my BBC career! As far as dropping spanners are concerned, if you went up into the grid in TVC you were supposed to wear pocketless overalls for that very reason! Cheers, Dave. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Feb 10 04:08:57 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:08:57 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: <6023a69a.1c69fb81.feb15.51a4@mx.google.com> References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com><907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com><602282f4.1c69fb81.90dac.862e@mx.google.com> <6023a69a.1c69fb81.feb15.51a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I had to go up CP a couple of times to attend the Radio Link at 450?. The rigger taking me up in the lift pointed out that if the lift failed, one had to climb out through the hatch in the top and climb up the mast on the sticking out bolts to the next main walkway between legs to cross to the main ladder but NOT to shortcut across horizontal beams, As if!! I must admit that whilst as an EM, at Wembley Pool a lighting rigger dropped a spanner on the de-rig and it just missed a cameraman de-rigging, just hitting his leg. Of course no person should have been in the grid anyway when people working below. When we were training on Simon Hoists, we had to climb out of the cage and to practice using the Sala Block in case of engine failure. The worst bit of that was climbing down the little short steps to below the cage and flying off into space. Mike From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2021 9:25 AM To: dave.mdv ; Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial Apologies, Dave.mdv, Not meant to be sarcastic ? just after a cheap laugh! Do you recall visiting Crystal Palace transmitter, thankfully being assured that we would not be required to ascend the mast? The idea of a spanner being dropped from the US mast was more of the chore of going all the way down to get it back, but I noted that there was a lift installed. Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Feb 10 05:11:50 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:11:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: I came across David?s VueScan quite a few years back when for some reason Epson kept software updates going for the Perfection 2400 Photo but not the superior 2450. I owned the 2400 and my son donated the 2450 when he upgraded. I seem to remember the cost of the program at that time was in the region of 70 quid (apologies for slang ? my keyboard suddenly won?t produce the pound symbol) and I couldn?t afford it at the time so never got to try it out. When fortunes improved I bought a V700 Photo which came bundled with SilverFast software which to my shame I?ve not come to grips with several years on, though I believe it is very good. My son scanned his entire slide collection a good many years ago with one of the Nikon Coolscan models (provided by his father-in-law!) and was greatly impressed. Speaking of being impressed, I most certainly am with the material on your website David. Not viewed all of it yet by any means but ?The British? collection of 44 B&W is superb. Geoff ? it?s as well I?ve forgotten how to blush! I guess we all looked half-way reasonable at 21 which is what I was at the time of that shot. My wife commends your observation re Michael York. Long ago someone else made a similar comment which Hilary said was pretty valid. Sadly I was never a big fan of his! Seeing David?s mention of Hasselblad (and now Nick?s as well) reminds me of the days of dreaming about such but only seeing them in Wallace Heaton?s Blue Book which I avidly consumed each year at the cost of a shilling. I dreamt of Porsches and Ferraris and impossibly beautiful women as well. The last mentioned proved to be the only realised ambition, undoubtedly the most appreciated! For close to 40 years my nearest neighbour and close friend was the great Lester Bookbinder. He used to loan me Nikons with motor drives or anything else he thought would help me with my bright ideas. He was one of the very few photographers who got to shoot stills of Harpo Marx and I have a signed framed copy of the chosen shot (sorry David ? it?s in colour!) I also have his ancient and venerable Linhof tripod and head. Did any of you lads ever get to work with him on advertising shoots? He had a fearsome reputation on set and it was probably true that being on the wrong side of him wasn?t too smart a path to tread, yet in reality he was a kind and generous man of great warmth and humanity as well as being possessed of considerable intelligence. Dave Newbitt From: David Taylor Sent: Monday, February 8, 2021 8:37 PM To: Geoffrey Hawkes Cc: David Newbitt ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections Dave Hawkes, For your Nikon Coolscan V you need a superb programme called VueScan. You can get a free demo from https://www.hamrick.com/ Ed Hamrick has been continually developing his scanning software for a very long time now and he covers every single scanner ....honestly, I don't know how he keeps up with all the models and computer operating systems, Windows and Macs ...but he does. The Nikon 9000 takes 35mm to 120 film and I run it on an an old Epson 4870 drum scanner as well for flat documents and prints etc. I've used VueScan on a Nikon Coolscan 9000 for many years now, and like your model, the old Nikon software was never updated after Windows XP. In fact I'm one of those 'old fashioned guys' who gave up digital and went back to film, using a Hasselblad 500 Series The fun came back into photography with a 'camera' not a 'computer with a lens'! I also only shoot in Black and White as well...because colour is 'just too much like reality'...whilst Black and White is all about the design and the contrasts in the image, that I love so much. If you like landscape photography take a look at Michael Kenna https://www.michaelkenna.com/ The greatest living landscape photographer...and oh it's all in Black and White and with a Hasselblad 500 Series. David www.davidtaylorimages.co.uk On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 at 17:28, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: ? ?...nice photo Dave and what a handsome fellow you were! You remind me of the actor Michael York of Logan?s Run. He was born in 1942, so would be of similar age to yourself. My first camera circa 1955 after borrowing my Mum?s box Brownie (which my brother still has) was a Kodak Brownie 127, followed by an Ilford Ford Sportie, the cutdown version of the Sportsman, both taking 120 roll film. My first 35mm was an Agfa Silette, bought second-hand from Vines in Hemel Hempstead. It didn?t have exposure metering and I used a Johnson?s exposure calculator if you remember those and I still have it in a drawer. It wasn?t till I was married and we had our first baby that I got an SLR, an Olympus OM-1 and was amazed how sharp the lens was, a Zuiko 50mm. The metering on that, the simple average type wasn?t very good so I got a Weston Master V. In 1991 I moved up to a Nikon 801 with a zoom lens and matrix metering which was much better and later a Nikon F-100, another great camera. When it became necessary to go digital, I got a Nikon D7000 which I still use. The problem with digital is that you take lots more shots and end up with loads of duplicates which can be hard to choose between. Like others of you, I have thousands which need sorting, not to mention prints still in their original folders and slides in their boxes. I have a Nikon Coolscan V film scanner which works well for strips of negatives and framed slides but for some reason they haven?t updated the drivers and I?ve had to keep an old computer running Windows XP just for that. Like the scanner Barry uses, it takes about five minutes to do a preview then a scan, which makes for slow progress. I bought a long-wanted Kodak Carousel for showing slides just as it was going out of fashion but slide shows done like that, if you can be bothered setting it up, still take a lot of beating, Geoff Hawkes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Wed Feb 10 05:13:29 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:13:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com><907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com><602282f4.1c69fb81.90dac.862e@mx.google.com> <6023a69a.1c69fb81.feb15.51a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <608325372.10970.1612955609671@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Feb 10 05:45:19 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:45:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: <907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com> References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com> <907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <93C54429-C9AF-40C2-83A0-B772FF727134@btinternet.com> Crikey? I watched that vid on a big screen an hour ago and Im still a bit wobbly. Age certainly withers, I used to have a good head for heights. What a brilliant team of riggers, and Helio pilots. Nightmare job. Roger > On 7 Feb 2021, at 22:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Absolutley not a job for me! Still, someone has to do it, Cheers, Dave > > On 29/01/2021 16:09, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: >> When in Manchester if you had problems with you home TV Aerial a friendly "gesture" >> to your "Search Hoist" driver could result in a quicker repair than normal. >> >> In the States they seem to a higher Tech approach to the situation with Aerials! >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pitEq8gjNj8&fbclid=IwAR17wog973ApGGEPMsdOg7DmLHm5Cg84d3l4WqvYVK8XJipr9FcdNpSAQ6M >> >> Tony N. >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Feb 10 08:15:44 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:15:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com><907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com><602282f4.1c69fb81.90dac.862e@mx.google.com> <6023a69a.1c69fb81.feb15.51a4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6023ea90.1c69fb81.e744b.797d@mx.google.com> I was taken up on the Simon hoist at Wimbledon, one year, but what I found unnerving, was that at full extension, one could not see the arm holding the bucket up. I thought that was freaky! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan Sent: 10 February 2021 10:09 To: patheigham; dave.mdv; Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial When we were training on Simon Hoists, we had to climb out of the cage and to practice using the Sala Block in case of engine failure. The worst bit of that was climbing down the little short steps to below the cage and flying off into space. ? Mike -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 09:21:31 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:21:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13c71640-2ba7-0f29-3765-71e448855bac@gmail.com> I knew I still had this somewhere. From? my time with MI6, obviously. Actually, inherited from my father in law, who liked cameras.? I've never tried it. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ggcikebdllcnelcm.png Type: image/png Size: 1881519 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Feb 10 09:34:11 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 15:34:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Simon hoists In-Reply-To: <6023ea90.1c69fb81.e744b.797d@mx.google.com> References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com> <907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com> <602282f4.1c69fb81.90dac.862e@mx.google.com> <6023a69a.1c69fb81.feb15.51a4@mx.google.com> <6023ea90.1c69fb81.e744b.797d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4d9acbf0-41dc-3215-46f1-9aa8039d4159@btinternet.com> When I worked on Sports Unit 2, a single camera PSC 'owned' by Sports Dept., they wanted to see what could be seen of the Wimbledon complex from a 200ft. hoist. So, before the AELTC tennis started, the cameraperson and I went up in a Simon hoist to it's maximum height of 210 feet. The worst bit for me was at ground level when the folded-down top section elevated to vertical as there was nothing to see below our feet! The hoist driver came up with us and warned us about a jolt as each section of the arm reached it's limit and the next one started rising! At the very top it was amazing what you could see all over London, but looking downwards the sight of us being mounted on a Dinky toy lorry was quite unnerving! Anyway, we both got a '200 foot Club' certificate for surviving the trip. Cheers, Dave On 10/02/2021 14:15, patheigham wrote: > > I was taken up on the Simon hoist at Wimbledon, one year, but what I > found unnerving, was that at full extension, one could not see the arm > holding the bucket up. I thought that was freaky! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Mike Jordan > *Sent: *10 February 2021 10:09 > *To: *patheigham ; dave.mdv > ; Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial > > When we were training on Simon Hoists, we had to climb out of the cage > and to practice using the Sala Block in case of engine failure. The > worst bit of that was climbing down the little short steps to below > the cage and flying off into space. > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So, before the AELTC tennis started, the cameraperson and I went up in a Simon hoist to it's maximum height of 210 feet. The worst bit for me was at ground level when the folded-down top section elevated to vertical as there was nothing to see below our feet! The hoist driver came up with us and warned us about a jolt as each section of the arm reached it's limit and the next one started rising! At the very top it was amazing what you could see all over London, but looking downwards the sight of us being mounted on a Dinky toy lorry was quite unnerving! Anyway, we both got a '200 foot Club' certificate for surviving the trip. Cheers, Dave On 10/02/2021 14:15, patheigham wrote: I was taken up on the Simon hoist at Wimbledon, one year, but what I found unnerving, was that at full extension, one could not see the arm holding the bucket up. I thought that was freaky! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan Sent: 10 February 2021 10:09 To: patheigham ; dave.mdv ; Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial When we were training on Simon Hoists, we had to climb out of the cage and to practice using the Sala Block in case of engine failure. The worst bit of that was climbing down the little short steps to below the cage and flying off into space. Mike _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Feb 10 10:01:53 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:01:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <13c71640-2ba7-0f29-3765-71e448855bac@gmail.com> References: <13c71640-2ba7-0f29-3765-71e448855bac@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7C843E6E-4A7D-4BB1-AE50-12369C9C2FB5@me.com> My collection of photographs, documents and other media has grown to the point where I need to rethink the way it?s stored. I?m also about to get one of the Macs powered by the new M1 chip, so there?s going to be a lot of changes triggered by the new computer. As a result I decided to get a Synology NAS system using RAID drives, which will hopefully ensure that the data will survive if one of the hard drives were to fail. It sounded like a good idea, but I had no idea just how complex these things are. I?m very slowly coming to terms with it, but it has an entire operating system of its own with dozens of special applications for handling specific tasks. I?m sure that some of you have been running something comparable for donkey?s years and it?s second nature to you, but to a newcomer it doesn?t half make your brain hurt! It?s probably made worse by being a Mac user since 1989. All my computers have done a pretty good job of looking after themselves and leaving me to enjoy the fun aspects of computing. I?ve never needed to get too intimate with their innards, but with this NAS, everything revolves around strange acronyms, port numbers and mysterious protocols. As my wife often says during a DIY project when the room looks like a bomb site, full of muck, sawdust, gaping holes, exposed pipes, weird tools and strange materials, ?I?m sure it will be lovely when it?s finished?. Alan Taylor > On 10 Feb 2021, at 15:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I knew I still had this somewhere. From my time with MI6, obviously. Actually, inherited from my father in law, who liked cameras. I've never tried it. > > B > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:06:46 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:06:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: References: <753D7332-1634-4009-84CD-F95B4BEA33EC@gmail.com> <13c71640-2ba7-0f29-3765-71e448855bac@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62a7fa6a-699e-21e9-3f08-fcd1df05cb52@gmail.com> I wasn't expecting complicated questions. It appears to be an original Riga. B On 10/02/2021 15:43, David Newbitt wrote: > Minox Riga? Or is it an ?A?? > Dave Newbitt > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 10, 2021 3:21 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections > I knew I still had this somewhere. From? my time with MI6, obviously. > Actually, inherited from my father in law, who liked cameras.? I've > never tried it. > > B > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ggcikebdllcnelcm.png Type: image/png Size: 1881519 bytes Desc: not available URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:13:14 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:13:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lifetime photo collections In-Reply-To: <7C843E6E-4A7D-4BB1-AE50-12369C9C2FB5@me.com> References: <13c71640-2ba7-0f29-3765-71e448855bac@gmail.com> <7C843E6E-4A7D-4BB1-AE50-12369C9C2FB5@me.com> Message-ID: <163df3f9-d3dd-0013-20d1-bfe3f93a5e4e@gmail.com> I have a Synology DS218j, which sits here backing up and minding it's own business.? It was a bit of a pig to set up in the first place, and you have to get your back up options correct, but once it's going it's quite fun accessing it from anywhere in the world. They have fairly recently changed the software and I think it's better now for setting up. B On 10/02/2021 16:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My collection of photographs, documents and other media has grown to the point where I need to rethink the way it?s stored. I?m also about to get one of the Macs powered by the new M1 chip, so there?s going to be a lot of changes triggered by the new computer. As a result I decided to get a Synology NAS system using RAID drives, which will hopefully ensure that the data will survive if one of the hard drives were to fail. > > It sounded like a good idea, but I had no idea just how complex these things are. I?m very slowly coming to terms with it, but it has an entire operating system of its own with dozens of special applications for handling specific tasks. > > I?m sure that some of you have been running something comparable for donkey?s years and it?s second nature to you, but to a newcomer it doesn?t half make your brain hurt! It?s probably made worse by being a Mac user since 1989. All my computers have done a pretty good job of looking after themselves and leaving me to enjoy the fun aspects of computing. I?ve never needed to get too intimate with their innards, but with this NAS, everything revolves around strange acronyms, port numbers and mysterious protocols. > > As my wife often says during a DIY project when the room looks like a bomb site, full of muck, sawdust, gaping holes, exposed pipes, weird tools and strange materials, ?I?m sure it will be lovely when it?s finished?. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 10 Feb 2021, at 15:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? I knew I still had this somewhere. From my time with MI6, obviously. Actually, inherited from my father in law, who liked cameras. I've never tried it. >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Feb 10 10:25:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:25:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: <6023ea90.1c69fb81.e744b.797d@mx.google.com> References: <6023ea90.1c69fb81.e744b.797d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <660D125E-05EB-452D-B4C8-141842AAD3F1@me.com> I?m quite happy working at height and have often offered to take on tasks which others in the crew have been uneasy about. One of the most alarming situations often crops up at boxing matches. The lighting grid is fastened to an aluminium frame roughly the same size as the boxing ring and is then hoisted into the air before the ring is built beneath it. We need to sling a couple of rifle microphones from this frame too, but it?s often hoisted in the air before the sound crew arrive on site. To reach up into the lighting grid, we borrow the electrician?s extending stepladder. Think of a giant step ladder where one side is made like an extending ladder, able to reach beyond the steps ladder part to about 15 metres. It?s surprisingly stable, but we usually get a couple of people to put their foot on the bottom rungs to make it even more stable. The perception problem comes when you start doing anything to the lighting grid. It?s hoisted by two winches and is therefore able to sway quite alarmingly when you touch it. It?s made worse by the fact that they fasten a black cloth or advertising banners around the perimeter of the grid which means that with your head inside the grid, you can?t see anything other than what is inside the grid, but everything you can see is swaying and although you are actually stable, your brain tells you that you?re the one who must be swaying. It?s like that thing where you?re sitting in a train at a station with another train on the adjacent track. When one of the trains moves off, your brain can?t initially work out whether it?s you moving or the other one. Alan Taylor > On 10 Feb 2021, at 14:16, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I was taken up on the Simon hoist at Wimbledon, one year, but what I found unnerving, was that at full extension, one could not see the arm holding the bucket up. I thought that was freaky! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Jordan > Sent: 10 February 2021 10:09 > To: patheigham; dave.mdv; Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial > > When we were training on Simon Hoists, we had to climb out of the cage and to practice using the Sala Block in case of engine failure. The worst bit of that was climbing down the little short steps to below the cage and flying off into space. > > Mike > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richardjblencowe at gmail.com Wed Feb 10 10:33:47 2021 From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:33:47 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Musicals: The Geatest Show Sun 7th Feb Message-ID: <004601d6ffca$826b8710$87429530$@com> A bit different than "Sunday Night at the London Palladium"! I wonder if those who conceived the London Palladium many years ago ever thought that there would be a show where the Artistes faced the back wall of the stage and not the Auditorium. Anyway my wife and I enjoyed the Programme and appreciated the tech effort in making it in these difficult times. Dick Blencowe -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Feb 10 10:43:48 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:43:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial In-Reply-To: <6023ea90.1c69fb81.e744b.797d@mx.google.com> References: <70139d53-f715-48e2-8f43-8fe9aa9c94bb@me.com> <907d9a8f-9f06-ba2b-2b22-246c7bb3f1cd@btinternet.com> <602282f4.1c69fb81.90dac.862e@mx.google.com> <6023a69a.1c69fb81.feb15.51a4@mx.google.com> <6023ea90.1c69fb81.e744b.797d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7258CF24-4C8C-4126-8F23-E0960F1C53CF@me.com> I used to love shows that involved working at height on Simon Hoists and the like, I was always the first one there. Now I can barely get above about 15' without having an attack of the vapours - is it cowardice or the wisdom of advancing years? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 10 Feb 2021, at 14:15, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I was taken up on the Simon hoist at Wimbledon, one year, but what I found unnerving, was that at full extension, one could not see the arm holding the bucket up. I thought that was freaky! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Jordan > Sent: 10 February 2021 10:09 > To: patheigham ; dave.mdv ; Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Poping up an New Aerial > > When we were training on Simon Hoists, we had to climb out of the cage and to practice using the Sala Block in case of engine failure. The worst bit of that was climbing down the little short steps to below the cage and flying off into space. > > Mike > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonynuttall at me.com Thu Feb 11 02:59:43 2021 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:59:43 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? Message-ID: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> Is it to be football or racing? Football is the best! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I553tpJdQzQ&feature=youtu.be Tony N in Cumbria -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> Message-ID: <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> Anyone remember this? > On 11 Feb 2021, at 08:59, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: > > > Is it to be football or racing? Football is the best! > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I553tpJdQzQ&feature=youtu.be > > Tony N in Cumbria > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Educating Archie intro.mp3 Type: audio/mpeg Size: 662317 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 09:21:21 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:21:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Track ? In-Reply-To: References: <861720b2-89ad-2a30-0b57-db7f8b936715@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3a9fc15c-35ed-38fd-9c62-3084299fb8f2@ntlworld.com> All mad, really. I've been buying quite a bit of electronics from China over the past year (three of these, for instance? https://bit.ly/3acG0FU ). It all just turns up, no fuss,? with a customs declaration on the packet. B On 11/02/2021 11:31, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > >> (..... at least the Rioja is still getting through ...!) >> Nick Ware - >> > If only! My case of Portuguese wine from Chris Price was turned back, > and so far hasn't reappeared:[ > > And I have clothing, light bulbs and a propagator all sitting in > bloody customs for over two weeks with no sign of movement... > > Chris > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It all > just turns up, no fuss,? with a customs declaration on the packet. > > B > > > > On 11/02/2021 11:31, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> (..... at least the Rioja is still getting through ...!) >>> Nick Ware - >>> >> If only! My case of Portuguese wine from Chris Price was turned back, >> and so far hasn't reappeared:[ >> >> And I have clothing, light bulbs and a propagator all sitting in >> bloody customs for over two weeks with no sign of movement... >> >> Chris >> >> >> > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 09:53:00 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:53:00 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? In-Reply-To: <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <004901d7008d$faa009e0$efe01da0$@gmail.com> If anyone ever saw Peter Brough live they will understand why he sought out radio as a career From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: 11 February 2021 15:05 To: William Nuttall Cc: Bernard Newnham ; bernard newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? Anyone remember this? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Thu Feb 11 10:02:42 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 16:02:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Track ? Message-ID: <5dy1csddie0b7ncdklidc1ob.1613059362466@email.android.com> Have you bought since the new year? They now add on VAT. Doug From mibridge at mac.com Thu Feb 11 13:51:40 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:51:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Track ? In-Reply-To: <3a9fc15c-35ed-38fd-9c62-3084299fb8f2@ntlworld.com> References: <861720b2-89ad-2a30-0b57-db7f8b936715@btinternet.com> <3a9fc15c-35ed-38fd-9c62-3084299fb8f2@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <81493F2A-BCB7-4B6A-A403-0565CEA28E8C@mac.com> Likewise stuff from China and the states without fuss, although one package from the states was delayed by Covid restrictions. Mike G > On 11 Feb 2021, at 15:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > All mad, really. > > I've been buying quite a bit of electronics from China over the past year (three of these, for instance https://bit.ly/3acG0FU ). It all just turns up, no fuss, with a customs declaration on the packet. > > B > > > > On 11/02/2021 11:31, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> (..... at least the Rioja is still getting through ...!) >>> Nick Ware - >>> >> If only! My case of Portuguese wine from Chris Price was turned back, and so far hasn't reappeared:[ >> >> And I have clothing, light bulbs and a propagator all sitting in bloody customs for over two weeks with no sign of movement... >> >> Chris >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Feb 11 14:30:12 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:30:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brain occupation Message-ID: <602593d4.1c69fb81.bac6b.49ec@mx.google.com> In this era of lockdown, it?s important to try and keep the brain from atrophying ? inn?it? So a little test -here. Try and think of things that are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve (or suggest solutions). I start with a couple: 1. Putting back excess toothpaste into the tube 2. Ditto ? shaving foam into the canister Over to you! Pat ( Just survived my first jab ? feeling euphoric ? but that might be due to Sauvignon Blanc!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Feb 11 14:31:23 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:31:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brain occupation In-Reply-To: <602593d4.1c69fb81.bac6b.49ec@mx.google.com> References: <602593d4.1c69fb81.bac6b.49ec@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <38042A98-0304-47B9-B007-F7DC524FF24A@icloud.com> Striking a match on a bar of soap! ? Graeme Wall > On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > In this era of lockdown, it?s important to try and keep the brain from atrophying ? inn?it? > So a little test -here. > Try and think of things that are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve (or suggest solutions). > I start with a couple: > ? Putting back excess toothpaste into the tube > ? Ditto ? shaving foam into the canister > > Over to you! > Pat > ( Just survived my first jab ? feeling euphoric ? but that might be due to Sauvignon Blanc!) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Feb 11 14:37:42 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:37:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brain occupation In-Reply-To: <38042A98-0304-47B9-B007-F7DC524FF24A@icloud.com> References: <602593d4.1c69fb81.bac6b.49ec@mx.google.com> <38042A98-0304-47B9-B007-F7DC524FF24A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <60259596.1c69fb81.2c842.4f23@mx.google.com> Aha! Tried it have you? Or does your lady allow you to smoke only in the bathroom? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 11 February 2021 20:31 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Brain occupation Striking a match on a bar of soap! ? Graeme Wall > On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > In this era of lockdown, it?s important to try and keep the brain from atrophying ? inn?it? > So a little test -here. > Try and think of things that are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve (or suggest solutions). > I start with a couple: > ? Putting back excess toothpaste into the tube > ? Ditto ? shaving foam into the canister > > Over to you! > Pat > ( Just survived my first jab ? feeling euphoric ? but that might be due to Sauvignon Blanc!) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 14:49:42 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Track ? In-Reply-To: <5dy1csddie0b7ncdklidc1ob.1613059362466@email.android.com> References: <5dy1csddie0b7ncdklidc1ob.1613059362466@email.android.com> Message-ID: <6a3ad605-225d-0882-3e17-4d5df0573e00@ntlworld.com> I just checked a BangGood invoice - no VAT B On 11/02/2021 16:02, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > Have you bought since the new year? They now add on VAT. > > Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 15:02:14 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:02:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? In-Reply-To: <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> References: <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9416F31F-6206-4B34-AF7D-B23AAF607B45@gmail.com> I remember it from the pre-television days in the late forties and early fifties when the radio, sorry, the wireless was the chief source of entertainment. Morning shows included Housewives? or Children?s Choice through Woman?s Hour in the afternoon, Roundabout at teatime followed by My Word, Journey Into Space, Paul Temple, The Guilty Party, Meet The Huggets, The Glums, Life of Bliss and many more in the evenings. I was interested to hear the name Julie Andrew?s among the cast of Educating Archie as I?d forgotten she was on that in her early days before she rose to stardom with Mary Poppins and The Sound of Music. I remember Max Bygraves being on it with his catchphrase, ?I?ve arrived and to prove it I?m here? and liked him as a kind of elder brother figure. Twenty or so years later he was a guest on Des O?Connor Tonight that I worked on and I said to him in passing that I thought he was good on Educating Archie. He must?ve thought I was taking the Mickey though I don?t know why as he shocked me by replying with a sneer, ?...What, me doing impressions?? and turned away before I could explain. It may have been small beginnings for him that he chose to forget, but as a child the show left an impression on me that he might?ve been pleased to hear about. To this day I sometimes quote his catchphrase as an aside when arriving somewhere, though it?s clear that no-one remembers the origin of it. It?s a bit like the enigmatic question, ?What?s the difference between a duck?? that Steve Cockayne used to quote. The origin of that seems unclear, though with the tag it sounds worthy of Groucho Marx. Do any of you know the tag before I reveal it? Another funny line of Groucho Marx that I like is, ?I could dance with you till the cows come home - or I could dance with the cows till you come home...? I?m sure you all have favourite one liners of your own to share, Geoff > On 11 Feb 2021, at 15:06, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Anyone remember this? > > > >> On 11 Feb 2021, at 08:59, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Is it to be football or racing? Football is the best! >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I553tpJdQzQ&feature=youtu.be >> >> Tony N in Cumbria >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Feb 11 16:52:53 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:52:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? In-Reply-To: <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. Mike G > On 11 Feb 2021, at 15:05, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone remember this? > > > >> On 11 Feb 2021, at 08:59, William Nuttall via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> >> Is it to be football or racing? Football is the best! >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I553tpJdQzQ&feature=youtu.be >> >> Tony N in Cumbria >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Feb 11 16:55:20 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 22:55:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brain occupation In-Reply-To: <38042A98-0304-47B9-B007-F7DC524FF24A@icloud.com> References: <602593d4.1c69fb81.bac6b.49ec@mx.google.com> <38042A98-0304-47B9-B007-F7DC524FF24A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <97320828-4B8A-41B2-AAD0-EAE354E2FFEA@mac.com> Making a quick visit to Ikea! Mike G > On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Striking a match on a bar of soap! > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> In this era of lockdown, it?s important to try and keep the brain from atrophying ? inn?it? >> So a little test -here. >> Try and think of things that are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve (or suggest solutions). >> I start with a couple: >> ? Putting back excess toothpaste into the tube >> ? Ditto ? shaving foam into the canister >> >> Over to you! >> Pat >> ( Just survived my first jab ? feeling euphoric ? but that might be due to Sauvignon Blanc!) >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 18:32:00 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:32:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brain occupation In-Reply-To: <97320828-4B8A-41B2-AAD0-EAE354E2FFEA@mac.com> References: <97320828-4B8A-41B2-AAD0-EAE354E2FFEA@mac.com> Message-ID: <4050A170-5A56-42DC-BCBA-8F742603D170@gmail.com> Eating a single Pringle or crisp, Geoff > On 11 Feb 2021, at 22:55, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Making a quick visit to Ikea! > > Mike G > >> On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Striking a match on a bar of soap! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> In this era of lockdown, it?s important to try and keep the brain from atrophying ? inn?it? >>> So a little test -here. >>> Try and think of things that are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve (or suggest solutions). >>> I start with a couple: >>> ? Putting back excess toothpaste into the tube >>> ? Ditto ? shaving foam into the canister >>> >>> Over to you! >>> Pat >>> ( Just survived my first jab ? feeling euphoric ? but that might be due to Sauvignon Blanc!) >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 12 03:16:20 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:16:20 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brain occupation In-Reply-To: <4050A170-5A56-42DC-BCBA-8F742603D170@gmail.com> References: <97320828-4B8A-41B2-AAD0-EAE354E2FFEA@mac.com> <4050A170-5A56-42DC-BCBA-8F742603D170@gmail.com> Message-ID: <237740D6CFDD4CBF99FD3CF1966EB073@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Not looking across the central reservation at the incident on the other carriageway. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 12:32 AM To: Mike Giles Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Brain occupation Eating a single Pringle or crisp, Geoff > On 11 Feb 2021, at 22:55, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?Making a quick visit to Ikea! > > Mike G > >> On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Striking a match on a bar of soap! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:30, patheigham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>> >>> In this era of lockdown, it?s important to try and keep the brain from >>> atrophying ? inn?it? >>> So a little test -here. >>> Try and think of things that are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve (or suggest >>> solutions). >>> I start with a couple: >>> ? Putting back excess toothpaste into the tube >>> ? Ditto ? shaving foam into the canister >>> >>> Over to you! >>> Pat .uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Feb 12 04:02:06 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 10:02:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> Message-ID: <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> The idea of a vent on radio rather defeats the illusion. Brough was such a bad vent that maybe he could only get bookings for radio! I liked Ray Alan, he was excellent, also Saveen and in earlier days Edgar Bergen (father of the gorgeous Candice) was also a master of his art. Story against myself: working the boom on the side set in TVT on Pops & Lenny, I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 11 February 2021 22:53 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 05:12:39 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:12:39 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002f01d7012f$faadbde0$f00939a0$@gmail.com> In my opinion the best Vent I ever saw was Dennis Spicer with his dummy James Green. He appeared at the Royal Variety in 1964 to loud acclaim and unfortunately died two weeks later in a motoring accident. These days Nina Conti, daughter of Tom Conti, is getting plaudits for her at times unconventional act, but there is no denying she is a highly talented exponent of the art, andcan be very amusing Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2021 10:02 To: Mike Giles ; Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' The idea of a vent on radio rather defeats the illusion. Brough was such a bad vent that maybe he could only get bookings for radio! I liked Ray Alan, he was excellent, also Saveen and in earlier days Edgar Bergen (father of the gorgeous Candice) was also a master of his art. Story against myself: working the boom on the side set in TVT on Pops & Lenny, I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 11 February 2021 22:53 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. Mike G _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Feb 12 05:17:34 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:17:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <002f01d7012f$faadbde0$f00939a0$@gmail.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> <002f01d7012f$faadbde0$f00939a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <602663d0.1c69fb81.bf1f9.ccf4@mx.google.com> Yes, agreed ? I love Nina Conti, too. Her act with the fake mouth/jaw fitted to an unsuspecting audience member is hilarious. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 12 February 2021 11:12 To: 'patheigham' Cc: 'tech1' Subject: RE: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In my opinion the best Vent I ever saw was Dennis Spicer with his dummy James Green. He appeared at the Royal Variety in 1964 to loud acclaim and unfortunately died two weeks later in a motoring accident. These days Nina Conti, daughter of Tom Conti, is getting plaudits for her at times unconventional act, but there is no denying she is a highly talented exponent of the art, and can be very amusing Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2021 10:02 To: Mike Giles ; Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' The idea of a vent on radio rather defeats the illusion. Brough was such a bad vent that maybe he could only get bookings for radio! I liked Ray Alan, he was excellent, also Saveen and ?in earlier days Edgar Bergen (father of the gorgeous Candice) was also a master of his art. Story against myself: working the boom on the side set in TVT on Pops & Lenny, I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 11 February 2021 22:53 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. Mike G This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Brough was such a bad vent that maybe he could only get bookings for radio! > I liked Ray Alan, he was excellent, also Saveen and in earlier days Edgar Bergen (father of the gorgeous Candice) was also a master of his art. > Story against myself: working the boom on the side set in TVT on Pops & Lenny, I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 11 February 2021 22:53 > To: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? > > I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. > > But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. > > Mike G > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Feb 12 05:38:57 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:38:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Archive Message-ID: To all photographers and very interesting Archive. https://archive.rps.org/archive?cpage=1 Albert -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 12 05:44:06 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:44:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brain occupation In-Reply-To: <237740D6CFDD4CBF99FD3CF1966EB073@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <237740D6CFDD4CBF99FD3CF1966EB073@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Actually that?s the easy one. Once you take on board that all the other drivers are looking at the accident, slowing down to get a better look, or even taking pictures on their phones, it?s actually very easy to keep looking ahead so that you can deal with any stupidity happening on your side of the carriageway. There is a simple explanation why an accident on the northbound carriageway often has another accident on the southbound near the same place. Alan Taylor > On 12 Feb 2021, at 09:16, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Not looking across the central reservation at the incident on the other carriageway. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 12:32 AM > To: Mike Giles > Cc: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Brain occupation > > Eating a single Pringle or crisp, > Geoff > >> On 11 Feb 2021, at 22:55, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Making a quick visit to Ikea! >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:31, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Striking a match on a bar of soap! >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 11 Feb 2021, at 20:30, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> In this era of lockdown, it?s important to try and keep the brain from atrophying ? inn?it? >>>> So a little test -here. >>>> Try and think of things that are IMPOSSIBLE to achieve (or suggest solutions). >>>> I start with a couple: >>>> ? Putting back excess toothpaste into the tube >>>> ? Ditto ? shaving foam into the canister >>>> >>>> Over to you! >>>> Pat > .uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 06:19:29 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 12:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> References: <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <16A169DC-244E-431C-8710-D81CE7C322BE@gmail.com> Nice story about Lenny the Lion. The smart reply to your SS in line with the earlier quip about the dumb blonde would?ve been, ?I know, but the guy in the chair keeps interrupting.? I think the opinion about Peter Brough?s ventriloquistic skills were accurate from what I?ve heard and there was a biographic programme on the radio a while ago that said the same. The vent who impressed me most was Ray Alan. I remember him coming into Pres A and sitting in the control room chatting to the director about nothing to do with the show. Lord Charles was on his knee and the whole time while no-one was talking to him he just kept looking round and saying nothing. It struck me as the sign of a true expert never to let the dummy go dead while you have hold of it, Geoff > On 12 Feb 2021, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The idea of a vent on radio rather defeats the illusion. Brough was such a bad vent that maybe he could only get bookings for radio! > I liked Ray Alan, he was excellent, also Saveen and in earlier days Edgar Bergen (father of the gorgeous Candice) was also a master of his art. > Story against myself: working the boom on the side set in TVT on Pops & Lenny, I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 11 February 2021 22:53 > To: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? > > I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. > > But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. > > Mike G > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the crew.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Date: 12/02/2021 12:19 (GMT+00:00) To: patheigham Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' Nice story about Lenny the Lion. The smart reply to your SS in line with the earlier quip about the dumb blonde would?ve been, ?I know, but the guy in the chair keeps interrupting.?I think the opinion about Peter Brough?s ventriloquistic skills were accurate from what I?ve heard and there was a biographic programme on the radio a while ago that said the same.The vent who impressed me most was Ray Alan. I remember him coming into Pres A and sitting in the control room chatting to the director about nothing to do with the show. Lord Charles was on his knee and the whole time while no-one was talking to him he just kept looking round and saying nothing. It struck me as the sign of a true expert never to let the dummy go dead while you have hold of it,GeoffOn 12 Feb 2021, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:?The idea of a vent on radio rather defeats the illusion. Brough was such a bad vent that maybe he could only get bookings for radio!I liked Ray Alan, he was excellent, also Saveen and ?in earlier days Edgar Bergen (father of the gorgeous Candice) was also a master of his art.Story against myself: working the boom on the side set in TVT on Pops & Lenny, I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!??Pat H?Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: Mike Giles via Tech1Sent: 11 February 2021 22:53To: Tech OpsSubject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING??I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written.?But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things.?Mike G??? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com><55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com><3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> Message-ID: <6D240F401D03477C9016F67FF390E069@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> That is priceless Peter, real wit. Ted Ray I remember was one of the old school comedians who largely got their material not from scriptwriters but by socialising with the great British public in pubs and elsewhere. As a youngster I found common ground with my parents (not a frequent phenomenon) in enjoying Ted Ray on the ?wireless?. Dave Newbitt. From: Peter Hider via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 12:53 PM To: mibridge at mac.com Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? Its an old story but worth retelling. When Archie Andrews was first on the radio Peter Brough asked Ted Ray if he could see his lips move. Ted replied "Only when the dummy speaks". Peter Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:52 PM From: "Mike Giles via Tech1" To: "Tech Ops" Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. Mike G On 11 Feb 2021, at 15:05, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: Anyone remember this? On 11 Feb 2021, at 08:59, William Nuttall via Tech1 wrote: Is it to be football or racing? Football is the best! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I553tpJdQzQ&feature=youtu.be Tony N in Cumbria -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the crew. > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 12 08:32:58 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:32:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] HNS versus private. Message-ID: <58fdaa4a82davesound@btinternet.com> Coincidence, but last week my brother had a cataract operation done privately. No option other than to wait a year plus. Cost quite a bit. Seems to have been very successful, thank gawd. Yesterday, I also had a procedure carried out at a private hospital, but via the NHS. I presume as a way of keeping Covid patients as far separated as possible. And I expected it to be something more akin to the posh health spas we see on TV dramas. But it was really no different from my local massive NHS hospital St George's in Tooting. No more and no less well looked after. But I did have a private room. En suite with telly, with all the normal TV and radio. Obviously a good thing as regards social distancing, but I somehow missed the hustle and bustle of a communal area. Food equally as bad in both. ;-) Having not eaten from the day before I was starving after the procedure and was expecting something very tasty. But got a cheese and ham sandwich and cup of tea. Perhaps the NHS was paying. I kept a record of how many times I was either asked or filled in forms asking the same questions about Covid before this procedure. 10 in all, including two online. To be sure to be sure... -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 12 08:35:32 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:35:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? In-Reply-To: <6D240F401D03477C9016F67FF390E069@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> <6D240F401D03477C9016F67FF390E069@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <7D0569BC-F1D4-459C-B52E-3C005891D79B@mac.com> Now you?re talking ~ Ray?s a Laugh, for example. Mike G > On 12 Feb 2021, at 14:11, David Newbitt wrote: > > That is priceless Peter, real wit. Ted Ray I remember was one of the old school comedians who largely got their material not from scriptwriters but by socialising with the great British public in pubs and elsewhere. As a youngster I found common ground with my parents (not a frequent phenomenon) in enjoying Ted Ray on the ?wireless?. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Peter Hider via Tech1 <> > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2021 12:53 PM > To: mibridge at mac.com <> > Cc: Tech Ops <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? > > Its an old story but worth retelling. When Archie Andrews was first on the radio Peter Brough asked Ted Ray if he could see his lips move. Ted replied "Only when the dummy speaks". > > Peter > > > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2021 at 10:52 PM > From: "Mike Giles via Tech1" > To: "Tech Ops" > Subject: Re: [Tech1] To Lighten the Spirits, FOOTBALL or HORSE RACING? > I?m afraid I never did take to Archie Andrews and Peter Brough ~ even as a child I thought their humour puerile. And it mystified me as to why a radio show involved a ventriloquist and his dummy! Give me the subtlety of a Tony Hancock any day, or the riotous stuff from Kenneth Horne and co ~ riotous, but still cleverly written. > > But it?s a good job we don?t all like the same things. > > Mike G > > > >> >> On 11 Feb 2021, at 15:05, Albert Barber via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Anyone remember this? >> >> >> >> >>> On 11 Feb 2021, at 08:59, William Nuttall via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> >>> Is it to be football or racing? Football is the best! >>> >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I553tpJdQzQ&feature=youtu.be >>> >>> Tony N in Cumbria >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net Fri Feb 12 08:38:21 2021 From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:38:21 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Memories of 1960s Television. Message-ID: <001d01d7014c$b6712690$235373b0$@talktalk.net> From: Alex Thomas Sent: 12 February 2021 14:37 To: 'Tech1' Subject: Memories of 1960s Television. We all have memories of rehearsal and live tv disasters and some of them can be recalled by the mention of a name. The mention of Barry Bucknell reminded me of a Bucknell from the early sixties in TC2. I was operating the wide angle easy shot whilst others more senior than me were snatching the close-ups. It was the days of treating a recording as live so that the 2? tape did not have to be cut physically for which there would be a charge of ?75. Barry was building an overhead locker which would appear in the shot behind him. All went well until the final shot and Barry?s pay-off. As he faced my camera and started his closing I saw the locker start to quiver and then fall down behind him. I must admit that I burst out laughing and then the director, the late Don Sayer, appeared at the top of the gallery stairs and shouted ?You have just cost me ?75 ?. I offered to pay the money from my own pocket if he would transmit the closing shot as recorded. He declined my generous offer, we rebuilt the locker and recorded a new closing. Alex Thomas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 12 08:38:24 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:38:24 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <16A169DC-244E-431C-8710-D81CE7C322BE@gmail.com> References: <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> <16A169DC-244E-431C-8710-D81CE7C322BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58fdaac9a5davesound@btinternet.com> In article <16A169DC-244E-431C-8710-D81CE7C322BE at gmail.com>, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > The vent who impressed me most was Ray Alan. I remember him coming into > Pres A and sitting in the control room chatting to the director about > nothing to do with the show. Lord Charles was on his knee and the whole > time while no-one was talking to him he just kept looking round and > saying nothing. It struck me as the sign of a true expert never to let > the dummy go dead while you have hold of it, Just wondering who was the first to fit Lord Charles with a personal mic? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Feb 12 09:59:26 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 15:59:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <071358A3AC544E21AE2622DA7262D14A@NewOffice> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> <071358A3AC544E21AE2622DA7262D14A@NewOffice> Message-ID: I used to operate the TVT inlay desk on Basil Brush, it had a joystick for moving the effect aroud so during recording breaks I made a bee shape which I ?flew? aound Basil who acted up to it, snapping at it. Confused the FM and the stage crew but the kids in the audience loved it as they coud see it on the monitors. ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Feb 2021, at 13:41, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > > > > .............I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? > > Not alone Pat. I saw Basil Brush ask a floor manager to turn a monitor round so he had a better view, and he did. > > Doug > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Feb 12 13:23:36 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:23:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Simon Hoists Message-ID: <25FD69F3-D93F-4D62-B693-09ADF4E17BFA@gmail.com> In a recent thread abou tSimonHoistssomeonementionedlookingdownfrom a 200 foot platform at the Dinky Toy truck holding up the arm. I found a shot of mine I took on an Anglia Drama Shoot at Sennowe Hall in Norfolk showing exactly that. Cameraman Peter Eveson was the lucky guy selected by his Senior Cameraman to go up to max elevation to take a top shot of a helicopter landing on the front lawn. As Unit Manager I thought I should also go up at least once, as I didn? t like asking crew to do things I wasn?t prepared to do myself. The view was very impressive! Geoff F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 910730 13:7 Aloft on 210 Ft Cherry Picker, Growing Rich, Sennowe Hall, Guist, Norfolk.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 37294 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 910730 13:12 Hall complex from 210 Ft Cherry Picker, Growing Rich, Sennowe Hall, Guist, Norfolk.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 36489 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The shot was rubbish - Middlesbrough is basically flat, and I didn't use it. That's the trouble with high shots, they aren't? necessarily interesting in the way you might hope. B On 12/02/2021 19:23, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > In a recent thread abou tSimonHoistssomeonementionedlookingdownfrom a > 200 foot platform at the Dinky Toy truck holding up the arm. > I found a shot of mine I took on an Anglia Drama Shoot at Sennowe Hall > in Norfolk showing exactly that. Cameraman Peter Eveson > was the lucky guy selected by his Senior Cameraman to go up to max > elevation to take a top shot of a helicopter landing on the front lawn. > As Unit Manager I thought I should also go up at least once, as I > didn? t like asking crew to do things I wasn?t prepared to do myself. > ?The > view was very impressive! > > Geoff F > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I was just getting up the South Hall stairs to the fourth floor, and a familiar voice called "Ah Bernie, just the person I need". The rat was going to be interviewed on some morning programme, and the girlfriend who operated the right arm had gone sick, or walked out or something.? So up I went to Pres B, where I got down under the desk with David Claridge and a reversed scan monitor and did my bit. I think I had to hold an envelope and wave it around. B On 12/02/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I used to operate the TVT inlay desk on Basil Brush, it had a joystick for moving the effect aroud so during recording breaks I made a bee shape which I ?flew? aound Basil who acted up to it, snapping at it. Confused the FM and the stage crew but the kids in the audience loved it as they coud see it on the monitors. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 12 Feb 2021, at 13:41, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> .............I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? >> >> Not alone Pat. I saw Basil Brush ask a floor manager to turn a monitor round so he had a better view, and he did. >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 12 16:37:27 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:37:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Today's date Message-ID: <01F0DE55-D392-4E62-AA77-FED8D493A951@mac.com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 114809 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 12 16:56:32 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:56:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Today's date In-Reply-To: References: <01F0DE55-D392-4E62-AA77-FED8D493A951@mac.com> Message-ID: <4D563F41-CA41-4A28-96EB-7FED9B618CBD@mac.com> Alasdair rightly points out that I was a month ahead of myself with the non-palindromic 12-3-21, which should of course have been 12-2-21. I cannot even claim that this was a deliberate error to check that people are reading my outpourings!. When writing relatively boring technical stuff before meetings, I often used to put unlikely words some way into the text, or more usually acronyms, that needed explanation, then if nobody queried it, I knew that it hadn?t been read properly. For example, when specifying a comms system, I said that people didn?t need talkback on speakers where DAC applied. Nobody knew what I was talking about, but at least someone asked the question.But nowadays I often find that people tell me the same, even when I?m not trying to be obtuse. Mike G > On 12 Feb 2021, at 22:40, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > Mike, I think you're a month out in the first one? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 12 Feb 2021, at 22:37, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 12 17:21:08 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 23:21:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BT vs Vodafone Message-ID: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar experiences? Mike G From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 12 18:37:16 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 00:37:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] BT vs Vodafone In-Reply-To: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> Message-ID: <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still needs that for your landline phone? My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. I pay my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works out OK for me, being single. In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved > to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount > they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that > as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited > broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 > pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a > monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s > offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that > by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they > could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the > best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to > Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty > Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to > drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which > doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). > So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over > 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit > less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little > saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to > offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar > experiences? > Mike G > -- > Tech1 ma -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sat Feb 13 01:56:47 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 07:56:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BT vs Vodafone In-Reply-To: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> Message-ID: I?ve had dealings with a number of customer retention departments when I have decided to change for another company. Like you, before leaving, I first check whether the price I?m quoted can be improved and then decide to choose an alternative. If the customer retention people then call back with a better offer, I tell them to stuff it as the company had the opportunity to make that offer before I decided to leave. I?m also wary of special rates for the first year or two. In some cases they can double after the introductory period. My particular criteria for choosing a service is primarily to receive a reliable service with no hassles and after that comes getting a cheap price. In other words, I?m happy to pay a small amount extra in order to get a hassle- free service. Surprisingly, in a few cases ( such as Nationwide for banking and GiffGaff for mobile phone), the cheapest option has turned out to be entirely hassle-free and I?ve been with them for many years. For telephone and internet, I?ve used Zen for about five years and have been very happy with them. They just offered to double my fibre data speed to 66Mbps and charge ?2 less per month, with everything else remaining as before, which doesn?t seem a bad deal. Not the cheapest, but no complaints at all in the time I?ve been with them and the router they supplied was far better than the BT one I previously had , much better WiFi range, more features and total reliability. Alan Taylor > On 12 Feb 2021, at 23:21, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). > > So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar experiences? > > > Mike G > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Feb 13 02:25:04 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:25:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who's talking? In-Reply-To: <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From Tech1" & "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, sometimes not, as below. I've discovered that the only way to see who the author was is to click Reply, then I get a name. John Nottage On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still needs > that for your landline phone? > > > > My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. I pay > my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also > limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works out OK > for me, being single. > > > In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved >> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that >> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited >> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 >> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that >> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they >> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which >> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). > >> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over >> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to >> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >> experiences? > > >> Mike G > > >> -- >> Tech1 ma > From mibridge at mac.com Sat Feb 13 02:41:43 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 08:41:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who's talking? In-Reply-To: <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: I find much the same, John. Mike G > On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:25, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From Tech1" & "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, sometimes not, as below. I've discovered that the only way to see who the author was is to click Reply, then I get a name. > > John Nottage > > On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still needs >> that for your landline phone? >> My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. I pay >> my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also >> limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works out OK >> for me, being single. >> In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, >> Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved >>> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >>> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that >>> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited >>> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 >>> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >>> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >>> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that >>> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they >>> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >>> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >>> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >>> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >>> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which >>> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). >>> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over >>> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >>> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >>> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to >>> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >>> experiences? >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 ma > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Feb 13 03:17:09 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:17:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Simon Hoists In-Reply-To: <25FD69F3-D93F-4D62-B693-09ADF4E17BFA@gmail.com> References: <25FD69F3-D93F-4D62-B693-09ADF4E17BFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <056b8381-b424-1eb4-b0d8-73ab395cdca7@btinternet.com> Ah well; trawling the memory bank and Genome finds an infamous '/Jeux sans Fronti?res' from //'Durdham Down, Bristol Introduced by Eddie Waring and Stuart Hall/' on 24 August 1973. 'Infamous' because this was the occasion when Dave Hodge - ex-Crew 5? - was stuck at the top of the tallest hoist in the UK when the hydraulics failed. Nought for it, but to take the emergency inertia reel exit route back down to earth. Even that failed to disturb Dave's stoic good humour; lodging it forever as the only aspect of an otherwise forgettable programme. Hugh On 12-Feb-21 7:23 PM, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > In a recent thread abou tSimonHoistssomeonementionedlookingdownfrom a > 200 foot platform at the Dinky Toy truck holding up the arm. > I found a shot of mine I took on an Anglia Drama Shoot at Sennowe Hall > in Norfolk showing exactly that. Cameraman Peter Eveson > was the lucky guy selected by his Senior Cameraman to go up to max > elevation to take a top shot of a helicopter landing on the front lawn. > As Unit Manager I thought I should also go up at least once, as I > didn? t like asking crew to do things I wasn?t prepared to do myself. > ?The > view was very impressive! > > Geoff F > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 910730 13:16 210 Ft Cherry Picker, Growing Rich, Sennowe Hall, Guist, Norfolk.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 22258 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Feb 13 03:20:37 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:20:37 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who's talking? In-Reply-To: References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com><58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com><229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <681389ACA4A94314A921096D754D72F0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> The who sees what and why saga continues. John's post re Tech 1 emails never came to my inbox so I was unaware until Mike's response, still carrying the original message, drew my attention to it. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 8:41 AM To: John Nottage Cc: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who's talking? I find much the same, John. Mike G > On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:25, John Nottage via Tech1 > wrote: > > When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From Tech1" & > "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, sometimes not, as > below. I've discovered that the only way to see who the author was is to > click Reply, then I get a name. > > John Nottage > > On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still needs >> that for your landline phone? >> My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. I pay >> my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also >> limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works out >> OK >> for me, being single. >> In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, >> Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved >>> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >>> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that >>> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited >>> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 >>> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >>> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >>> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that >>> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they >>> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >>> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >>> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >>> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >>> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which >>> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). >>> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over >>> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >>> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >>> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to >>> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >>> experiences? >>> Mike G >>> -- >>> Tech1 ma > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 13 03:38:24 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:38:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who's talking? In-Reply-To: <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <60279e11.1c69fb81.f5e7.1cbb@mx.google.com> When I try to reply to a ?from Tech 1? e-mail, for some unaccountable reason, the destination field always puts in ?Dave Plowman via tech 1? in spite of my attempting to fill in the plain Tech 1 address. The drop down menu of addresses doesn?t show the plain address. This reply seems to have got it right! I absolutely hate the Mail programme in Windows 10, so think I should switch to Outlook. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 13 February 2021 08:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who's talking? When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From Tech1" & "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, sometimes not, as below. I've discovered that the only way to see who the author was is to click Reply, then I get a name. John Nottage On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still needs > that for your landline phone? > > > > My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. I pay > my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also > limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works out OK > for me, being single. > > > In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved >> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that >> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited >> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 >> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that >> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they >> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which >> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). > >> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over >> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to >> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >> experiences? > > >> Mike G > > >> -- >> Tech1 ma > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 13 04:07:09 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 10:07:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Simon Hoists In-Reply-To: <056b8381-b424-1eb4-b0d8-73ab395cdca7@btinternet.com> References: <25FD69F3-D93F-4D62-B693-09ADF4E17BFA@gmail.com> <056b8381-b424-1eb4-b0d8-73ab395cdca7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6027a4ce.1c69fb81.a3579.c006@mx.google.com> I have a memory of my prep school dormitory having an inertia reel fire escape fitted to its first floor window. We never had a practice, though ? think we should have done! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 13 February 2021 09:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Simon Hoists 'Infamous' because this was the occasion when Dave Hodge - ex-Crew 5? - was stuck at the top of the tallest hoist in the UK when the hydraulics failed. Nought for it, but to take the emergency inertia reel exit route back down to earth. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 13 05:46:07 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:46:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who's talking? In-Reply-To: <60279e11.1c69fb81.f5e7.1cbb@mx.google.com> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk>, <60279e11.1c69fb81.f5e7.1cbb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Err.....? Deja vu? N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? When I try to reply to a ?from Tech 1? e-mail, for some unaccountable reason, the destination field always puts in ?Dave Plowman via tech 1? in spite of my attempting to fill in the plain Tech 1 address. The drop down menu of addresses doesn?t show the plain address. This reply seems to have got it right! I absolutely hate the Mail programme in Windows 10, so think I should switch to Outlook. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 13 February 2021 08:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who's talking? When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From Tech1" & "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, sometimes not, as below. I've discovered that the only way to see who the author was is to click Reply, then I get a name. John Nottage On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still needs > that for your landline phone? > > > > My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. I pay > my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also > limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works out OK > for me, being single. > > > In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, > Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we moved >> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say that >> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed unlimited >> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade under ?23 >> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was that >> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, they >> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, which >> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). > >> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well over >> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to >> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >> experiences? > > >> Mike G > > >> -- >> Tech1 ma > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Feb 13 05:48:47 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:48:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <3qbxaekiucqwphskr1uql298.1613139378555@email.android.com> References: <3qbxaekiucqwphskr1uql298.1613139378555@email.android.com> Message-ID: <654289c.5aaf4.1779b38ce63.Webtop.90@btinternet.com> People start to believe it. I remember Roland Rat once forgetting his lines. A helpful Floor Assistant arrived with a script - and showed it to the Rat! Roland did a double-take, followed by an apparently serious attempt to read it. Then, looking at the Floor Assistant, cried, "I can't read this! These eyes are just glass beads, you know!" ------ Original Message ------ From: "vernon.dyer via Tech1" To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, 12 Feb, 21 At 14:16 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. Nice story about Ray Alan, Geoff. Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil Brush. Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the crew. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No queue, > > straight in to a very efficient lass at a booking in table, and lots of > > operational desks for the jab.. > > I did feel sorry for the parking marshalls as it was really arctic > that day, > > up on the downs ? just hope that they had a source of hot drinks > > at frequent intervals. > > Well done NHS! > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Feb 13 06:28:41 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:28:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Ye jab In-Reply-To: <6027c043.1c69fb81.48786.b535@mx.google.com> References: <6027c043.1c69fb81.48786.b535@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58fe22bea7davesound@btinternet.com> I had mine over a month ago - but organised by my GP. Local practices had cooperated and given one of them over to vaccination only. Being London, more of a problem to find a nice large car park like at Epsom. So a pal in my bubble gave me a lift there and picked me up afterwards. In and out in 20 minutes including the 15 minute wait after to see if a reaction. Got a text from the NHS offering one last week. At the local hospital - where again parking is nigh on impossible. I'm surprised there isn't a national data base. Did wonder about accepting it - that would have been my second one near enough on the original time specified by the maker. ;-) In article <6027c043.1c69fb81.48786.b535 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Had my first vaccination on Thurs 11th at Epsom Racecourse. > I was really impressed with the organisation ? plenty of parking > and people to direct you where to go ? one of the restaurant areas > for the suites was turned over to the operating area. No queue, > straight in to a very efficient lass at a booking in table, and lots of > operational desks for the jab.. > I did feel sorry for the parking marshalls as it was really arctic that day, > up on the downs ? just hope that they had a source of hot drinks > at frequent intervals. > Well done NHS! -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sat Feb 13 06:37:43 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:37:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <654289c.5aaf4.1779b38ce63.Webtop.90@btinternet.com> References: <3qbxaekiucqwphskr1uql298.1613139378555@email.android.com> <654289c.5aaf4.1779b38ce63.Webtop.90@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9828CC90-8603-4168-9661-C85D825E8CFC@me.com> I did a series of children's shows featuring a puppet. The cameraman was very fond of using huge amounts of light and the main presenter kept complaining that the light made her screw up her eyes, which wasn't a flattering look. During a set change and re-light, the puppeteer got the spare puppet and made the eyes look squinted. She then concealed that spare in the part of the set where she hid from the camera. When the lights were ready, the puppeteer popped up the spare puppet, shielded the squinted eyes with it's hand, pulled a grimaced expression and the puppet said "Strewth, those lights are a bit fierce, they're blinding me". With that, the cameraman apologised to the puppet and tweaked the key light. The main puppet reappeared with normal eyes, thanked him and told him that it was much better. On the Big Breakfast, Zig & Zag were featured daily. Mick & Ciaran who operated them insisted that they must always be referred to as Zig & Zag and that nobody was to ever use the "P" word when referring to them. The guys always kept them in character and listened to conversations amongst the crew and reacted appropriately. On one occasion, Chris Evans won a 'who blinks first' challenge with somebody on the crew. A little later we were setting up the Zig & Zag segment when Zag challenged Chris to a "who blinks first". Chris instantly accepted without thinking, and it was only after he started staring into the eyes of Zag that he realised that he wasn't likely to win that particular challenge. Again on the Big Breakfast, we had regular visits from superstars and one of them was Kermit the Frog. After the transmission, we were recording a trail for the show featuring Kermit but the director was getting annoyed by the black sticks which operated Kermit's hands and was trying to adjust the shots to conceal them, but it wasn't working. The director asked if there was any way of losing those sticks just for the trail. Kermit turned to her and said "Patricia, I'm a f***ing puppet, those sticks hold up my hands. If you take them away, my hands dangle down and it looks like I'm playing with myself ..... which I never need to do, as I can always call upon the services of Miss Piggy if required". Alan Taylor On 13 Feb 2021, at 13 Feb . 11:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > People start to believe it. I remember Roland Rat once forgetting his lines. A helpful Floor Assistant arrived with a script - and showed it to the Rat! Roland did a double-take, followed by an apparently serious attempt to read it. Then, looking at the Floor Assistant, cried, "I can't read this! These eyes are just glass beads, you know!" > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "vernon.dyer via Tech1" > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: Friday, 12 Feb, 21 At 14:16 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > Nice story about Ray Alan, Geoff. Another example: Ivan Owen and Basil Brush. Although Ivan wasn't a vent, as a puppeteer he made sure that BB was always 'in character' whenever he was visible, even to just the crew. > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 06:42:14 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:42:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Admin -----Re: Who's talking? In-Reply-To: <681389ACA4A94314A921096D754D72F0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> <681389ACA4A94314A921096D754D72F0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <7c3d2270-6d9d-3680-a6b9-8be37025e192@gmail.com> I still don't know. Anyone who'd like to research GNUMailman can offer advice if they wish. I've been working with it for a decade now but I don't know everything. I tick boxes etc, but I don't have total control because its a Site5 server, not mine. B On 13/02/2021 09:20, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > The who sees what and why saga continues. John's post re Tech 1 emails > never came to my inbox so I was unaware until Mike's response, still > carrying the original message, drew my attention to it. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2021 8:41 AM > To: John Nottage > Cc: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who's talking? > > I find much the same, John. > > Mike G > >> On 13 Feb 2021, at 08:25, John Nottage via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From >> Tech1" & "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, >> sometimes not, as below. I've discovered that the only way to see who >> the author was is to click Reply, then I get a name. >> >> John Nottage >> >> On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still >>> needs >>> that for your landline phone? >>> My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. >>> I pay >>> my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also >>> limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works >>> out OK >>> for me, being single. >>> In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, >>> ?? Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we >>>> moved >>>> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >>>> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to say >>>> that >>>> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed >>>> unlimited >>>> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade >>>> under ?23 >>>> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >>>> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >>>> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT was >>>> that >>>> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, >>>> they >>>> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >>>> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >>>> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >>>> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >>>> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, >>>> which >>>> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). >>>> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting well >>>> over >>>> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >>>> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >>>> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part >>>> only to >>>> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >>>> experiences? >>>> Mike G >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 ma >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 06:43:36 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:43:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who's talking? In-Reply-To: References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> <60279e11.1c69fb81.f5e7.1cbb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As I keep telling you, Pat - switch to Thunderbird!!! B On 13/02/2021 11:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Err.....? Deja vu? > N. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:38, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> When I try to reply to a ?from Tech 1? e-mail, for some unaccountable >> reason, the destination field always puts in ?Dave Plowman via tech >> 1? in spite of my attempting to fill in the plain Tech 1 address. The >> drop down menu of addresses doesn?t show the plain address. >> >> This reply seems to have got it right! I absolutely hate the Mail >> programme in Windows 10, so think I should switch to Outlook. >> >> Pat H >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *John Nottage via Tech1 >> *Sent: *13 February 2021 08:25 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Who's talking? >> >> When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From Tech1" & >> >> "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, sometimes not, >> >> as below. I've discovered that the only way to see who the author was is >> >> to click Reply, then I get a name. >> >> John Nottage >> >> On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> > Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still >> needs >> >> > that for your landline phone? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. >> I pay >> >> > my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also >> >> > limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works >> out OK >> >> > for me, being single. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, >> >> >???? Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we >> moved >> >> >> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >> >> >> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to >> say that >> >> >> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed >> unlimited >> >> >> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade >> under ?23 >> >> >> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >> >> >> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >> >> >> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT >> was that >> >> >> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, >> they >> >> >> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >> >> >> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >> >> >> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >> >> >> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >> >> >> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, >> which >> >> >> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). >> >> > >> >> >> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting >> well over >> >> >> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >> >> >> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >> >> >> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part >> only to >> >> >> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >> >> >> experiences? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Mike G >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Tech1 ma >> >> > >> >> -- >> >> Tech1 mailing list >> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 06:43:50 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:43:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Who's talking? In-Reply-To: References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> <58fde19c10davesound@btinternet.com> <229b7aa1-6feb-b416-4c2a-007045289ec4@imixmics.co.uk> <60279e11.1c69fb81.f5e7.1cbb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3be04bc2-230a-e538-7d85-b2d29e36e659@gmail.com> As I keep telling you, Pat - switch to Thunderbird!!! B On 13/02/2021 11:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Err.....? Deja vu? > N. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 13 Feb 2021, at 09:38, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> When I try to reply to a ?from Tech 1? e-mail, for some unaccountable >> reason, the destination field always puts in ?Dave Plowman via tech >> 1? in spite of my attempting to fill in the plain Tech 1 address. The >> drop down menu of addresses doesn?t show the plain address. >> >> This reply seems to have got it right! I absolutely hate the Mail >> programme in Windows 10, so think I should switch to Outlook. >> >> Pat H >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *John Nottage via Tech1 >> *Sent: *13 February 2021 08:25 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Who's talking? >> >> When I receive Tech1 emails on my mobile, the header says "From Tech1" & >> >> "to Tech1" - no name. Sometimes people sign their name, sometimes not, >> >> as below. I've discovered that the only way to see who the author was is >> >> to click Reply, then I get a name. >> >> John Nottage >> >> On 13/02/2021 00:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> > Did both amounts include landline rental? I assume Vodaphone still >> needs >> >> > that for your landline phone? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > My last BT bill was ?15 for FTC and ?6 for the basic BT TV package. >> I pay >> >> > my line rental annually - you get 12 months for the cost of 11. I also >> >> > limited my landline phone to so many minutes per month, which works >> out OK >> >> > for me, being single. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > In article <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940 at mac.com>, >> >> >???? Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> I have been with BT for landline phone and broadband ever since we >> moved >> >> >> to this house over ten years ago and I had rather ignored the amount >> >> >> they have been charging. But a few days ago, Vodafone called to >> say that >> >> >> as I have a mobile phone with them, they can offer high-speed >> unlimited >> >> >> broadband plus landline phone with unlimited calls for a shade >> under ?23 >> >> >> pcm. So I checked my BT bills and rang them to say that I thought a >> >> >> monthly bill of over ?70 did not compare favourably with Vodafone?s >> >> >> offer. To cut a long story short, the outcome of the call to BT >> was that >> >> >> by dispensing with BT Halo, which I thought they had offered free, >> they >> >> >> could reduce my bills to a special offer of ?48 pcm, but that was the >> >> >> best they could do. So I put the wheels in motion to move over to >> >> >> Vodafone two days ago and today I received a call from BT Loyalty >> >> >> Department and without any negotiation on my part, the guy offered to >> >> >> drop my bill to ?27.99, fixed for 24 months (but without BT Halo, >> which >> >> >> doesn?t seem to achieve much for me). >> >> > >> >> >> So I decided to stick with BT as I?m quite happy to be getting >> well over >> >> >> 60MB/s from them most of the time, whereas Vodafone were quoting a bit >> >> >> less, and it seems daft to move from a proven set-up for so little >> >> >> saving, but I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part >> only to >> >> >> offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar >> >> >> experiences? >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> Mike G >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Tech1 ma >> >> > >> >> -- >> >> Tech1 mailing list >> >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 13 06:51:10 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:51:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Epsom Races was Ye jab In-Reply-To: References: <6027c043.1c69fb81.48786.b535@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6027cb3f.1c69fb81.d868.abeb@mx.google.com> No trilby, no hip flask. I attended Ewell Tech (now called NESCOT), just down the road and we used to escape on Derby Day to go up to the downs. (Later, I won ?15 on Piggott riding ?The Minstrel? at 3:1) Well, after working on the B & W?s had to! My second school was at Leatherhead and there was always rivalry between us and Epsom College. On the occasion of my school?s Centenary Ball ? organised by Cliff Michelmore, as his son, Guy, was there, I took a delightful girl, introduced to me by a mutual friend. I discovered that she was the daughter of the Epsom bursar, so a ?trophy? capture! The Ball was superb ? starting with the dance band of one of the Guards Regiments, then after dinner, it was Ray McVay from the Hammersmith Palais and his singers. Mike Bentine did the cabaret which was the same as his Square World warm-up with which I was very familiar. There was an oyster and champagne bar with a steel band in the dining hall, and a disco in the library. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 13 February 2021 12:14 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ye jab Pat Heigham - Prep School?? Epsom Races?? & no doubt a trilby and a hip-flask!? I think we should be told more. Hugh On 13-Feb-21 12:04 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Had my first vaccination on Thurs 11th at Epsom Racecourse. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 13 07:04:44 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:04:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cables Message-ID: <6027ce6d.1c69fb81.685fa.0cde@mx.google.com> Dave, was it you who posted a wonderful pic of your cable collection? A friend is looking for a mains cable for a Paillard Bolex 18-5 8mm projector, seems to be a two pronged flat bladed. They would love to buy it or borrow. Best Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Rather like your "Bee", I once invented a "Vampire Bat" Wipe. - Fold a piece of paper in half; cut half-a-bat shape into the fold, such that a whole bat-shaped hole appears in the centre of the paper when it is straightened; place bat-shaped hole on light box, and inlay black into the white bit. No joy stick in those days, but you could fly your bat around the screen simply by sliding it around the light box, flexing the folded paper to flap its wings. Lots of fun chasing overacting cast around the set on various programs. luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" To: "Puddifoot(Doug)" Cc: "Tech ops" Sent: Friday, 12 Feb, 21 At 15:59 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' I used to operate the TVT inlay desk on Basil Brush, it had a joystick for moving the effect aroud so during recording breaks I made a bee shape which I ?flew? aound Basil who acted up to it, snapping at it. Confused the FM and the stage crew but the kids in the audience loved it as they coud see it on the monitors. ? Graeme Wall On 12 Feb 2021, at 13:41, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: .............I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? Not alone Pat. I saw Basil Brush ask a floor manager to turn a monitor round so he had a better view, and he did. Doug This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 13 07:56:23 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:56:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <23b7af50.56c0b.1779b922066.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> <071358A3AC544E21AE2622DA7262D14A@NewOffice> <23b7af50.56c0b.1779b922066.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6027da88.1c69fb81.5c540.ca22@mx.google.com> I recall one inlay operator who invented a transition ?wipe? by sprinkling tea leaves all over the light box, then blowing them away. Such is possible with Pinnacle these days ? computers ? Bah! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 13 February 2021 13:26 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' One of the pleasures of being an Inlay Operator was, having a certain amount of free time, the opportunity to entertain cast and production team during rehearsals. Rather like your "Bee", I once invented a "Vampire Bat" Wipe. - Fold a piece of paper in half; cut half-a-bat shape into the fold, such that a whole bat-shaped hole appears in the centre of the paper when it is straightened; place bat-shaped hole on light box, and inlay black into the white bit. No joy stick in those days, but you could fly your bat around the screen simply by sliding it around the light box, flexing the folded paper to flap its wings. Lots of fun chasing overacting cast around the set on various programs. luv, Rog. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Feb 13 08:45:03 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 14:45:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <23b7af50.56c0b.1779b922066.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> <071358A3AC544E21AE2622DA7262D14A@NewOffice> <23b7af50.56c0b.1779b922066.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Ah that was you! I remember seeing it from the studio floor. The bee was very simple; just a small circular wipe filled with black level and move it aound the screen. After the first couple of weeks the gram-op used to play in the appropriate fx. ? Graeme Wall > On 13 Feb 2021, at 13:26, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > One of the pleasures of being an Inlay Operator was, having a certain amount of free time, the opportunity to entertain cast and production team during rehearsals. > > Rather like your "Bee", I once invented a "Vampire Bat" Wipe. - Fold a piece of paper in half; cut half-a-bat shape into the fold, such that a whole bat-shaped hole appears in the centre of the paper when it is straightened; place bat-shaped hole on light box, and inlay black into the white bit. No joy stick in those days, but you could fly your bat around the screen simply by sliding it around the light box, flexing the folded paper to flap its wings. Lots of fun chasing overacting cast around the set on various programs. > > luv, Rog. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" > To: "Puddifoot(Doug)" > Cc: "Tech ops" > Sent: Friday, 12 Feb, 21 At 15:59 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' > > I used to operate the TVT inlay desk on Basil Brush, it had a joystick for moving the effect aroud so during recording breaks I made a bee shape which I ?flew? aound Basil who acted up to it, snapping at it. Confused the FM and the stage crew but the kids in the audience loved it as they coud see it on the monitors. > > > > ? > > > Graeme Wall > > > > > > > On 12 Feb 2021, at 13:41, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > > > > .............I found it hard to avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? > > Not alone Pat. I saw Basil Brush ask a floor manager to turn a monitor round so he had a better view, and he did. > > Doug > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > > > Tech1 mailing list > > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 13 09:50:17 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 15:50:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' In-Reply-To: <23b7af50.56c0b.1779b922066.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> References: <091f244e-d760-4a38-8054-987d0f7115fa@me.com> <55E0A70F-92A9-4230-9C01-AC5639F1197C@btinternet.com> <3313DEFC-1B4E-43ED-BDEE-852F3BAA87D9@mac.com> <6026521e.1c69fb81.8bbc8.bcca@mx.google.com> <071358A3AC544E21AE2622DA7262D14A@NewOffice> <23b7af50.56c0b.1779b922066.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <74e569a7-7649-5838-b753-a118a7ec717e@gmail.com> In Pres we had a model Big Ben - Model Big Ben We used it on New Years Eve as a back up, and when it was my turn in Pres A I'd spend the late evening annoying the engineers by getting them to light it properly so that it looked real. One year one of the crew brought in one of those new-fangled video games, which ran on a monitor. We set it up so that computer aeroplanes could fight it out across the face of the clock. This in turn annoyed the network director whose name I won't mention, but she was once called rude names unjustly by Stewart Morris. B On 13/02/2021 13:26, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > One of the pleasures of being an Inlay Operator was, having a certain > amount of free time, the opportunity to entertain cast and production > team during rehearsals. > > > Rather like your "Bee", I once invented a "Vampire Bat" Wipe. - Fold a > piece of paper in half; cut half-a-bat shape into the fold, such that > a whole bat-shaped hole appears in the centre of the paper when it is > straightened; place bat-shaped hole on light box, and inlay black into > the white bit. No joy stick in those days, but you could fly your bat > around the screen simply by sliding it around the light box, flexing > the folded paper to flap its wings. Lots of fun chasing overacting > cast around the set on various programs. > > > luv, Rog. > > > ------ Original Message ------ From: "Graeme Wall via Tech1" > To: "Puddifoot(Doug)" > Cc: "Tech ops" Sent: Friday, 12 Feb, 21 At > 15:59 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ventriloquists or 'A Gottle of Geer' I > used to operate the TVT inlay desk on Basil Brush, it had a > joystick for moving the effect aroud so during recording breaks I > made a bee shape which I ?flew? aound Basil who acted up to it, > snapping at it. Confused the FM and the stage crew but the kids in > the audience loved it as they coud see it on the monitors. ? > Graeme Wall > On 12 Feb 2021, at 13:41, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 > wrote: .............I found it hard to > avoid favouring between Terry Hall and Lenny the Lion. My SS had > to remind me that ?There?s only one of them talking, Pat!? Not > alone Pat. I saw Basil Brush ask a floor manager to turn a monitor > round so he had a better view, and he did. Doug This email has > been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed.? Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sat Feb 13 15:42:44 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:42:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic Message-ID: Do you mean this. http://www.televisiontunes.com/Vision_On_-_The_Gallery.html Doug From alanaudio at me.com Sat Feb 13 15:58:22 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 21:58:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <60283bad.1c69fb81.79339.a607@mx.google.com> References: <60283bad.1c69fb81.79339.a607@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two Alan Taylor > On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery for Vision On. > During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid down. > Anyone else know this? > It?s a lovely melody. > Pat H > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 30 January 2021 07:43 > To: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic > > And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. > > Mike G > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Feb 13 17:29:50 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 23:29:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I did a camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most stressful bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size with some very awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it meant moving the ped if you were on a turret. And like so many shows back then, recorded as live, with retakes for only the most significant problems once you were well into the show - otherwise it was stop and restart from the top. Mike G > On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two > > Alan Taylor > > > >>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery for Vision On. >> During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid down. >> Anyone else know this? >> It?s a lovely melody. >> Pat H >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: 30 January 2021 07:43 >> To: Tech Ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic >> >> And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 14 02:09:08 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 08:09:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Never having been based at TVC, I didn?t get to work on Vision On, but after I went freelance, I did the dub for a programme celebrating library music famously used in TV shows. Apart from Left Bank Two, I remember ?Approaching Menace? ( Mastermind ) and ?Chicken Man?, which I have dubbed onto loads of episodes of Grange Hill. It?s quite fun discovering library music. It?s not well known outside of the film & TV production business, but it?s a huge operation. The music was composed and recorded speculatively in the hope of attracting royalty payments when it?s used. The thing which impressed me was how reliable the descriptions were. If you wanted something reminiscent of the Bond theme, it was likely to be titled ?The Name is James?. It wasn?t just the titles, the description were spot on too and directors could quite rapidly compile a list of possibles, before wasting hours listening to them all. Alan Taylor > On 13 Feb 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! > > In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I did a camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most stressful bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size with some very awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it meant moving the ped if you were on a turret. And like so many shows back then, recorded as live, with retakes for only the most significant problems once you were well into the show - otherwise it was stop and restart from the top. > > Mike G > >>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery for Vision On. >>> During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid down. >>> Anyone else know this? >>> It?s a lovely melody. >>> Pat H >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >>> Sent: 30 January 2021 07:43 >>> To: Tech Ops >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic >>> >>> And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Feb 14 03:10:41 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 09:10:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> The Wimbledon tennis theme is one such as you describe Alan - called Light and Tuneful! But when I got the mood music discs out for doing a fresh copy of the signature tune for Grandstand it was actually named Grandstand - so that one must have been renamed after they chose it. Mike G > On 14 Feb 2021, at 08:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Never having been based at TVC, I didn?t get to work on Vision On, but after I went freelance, I did the dub for a programme celebrating library music famously used in TV shows. > > Apart from Left Bank Two, I remember ?Approaching Menace? ( Mastermind ) and ?Chicken Man?, which I have dubbed onto loads of episodes of Grange Hill. > > It?s quite fun discovering library music. It?s not well known outside of the film & TV production business, but it?s a huge operation. The music was composed and recorded speculatively in the hope of attracting royalty payments when it?s used. The thing which impressed me was how reliable the descriptions were. If you wanted something reminiscent of the Bond theme, it was likely to be titled ?The Name is James?. It wasn?t just the titles, the description were spot on too and directors could quite rapidly compile a list of possibles, before wasting hours listening to them all. > > Alan Taylor > > >>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! >> >> In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I did a camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most stressful bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size with some very awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it meant moving the ped if you were on a turret. And like so many shows back then, recorded as live, with retakes for only the most significant problems once you were well into the show - otherwise it was stop and restart from the top. >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery for Vision On. >>>> During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid down. >>>> Anyone else know this? >>>> It?s a lovely melody. >>>> Pat H >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 30 January 2021 07:43 >>>> To: Tech Ops >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic >>>> >>>> And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 14 04:36:57 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 10:36:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> References: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> Message-ID: <908D6112-9F75-4C35-82A0-F3DDBA131FF3@me.com> I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. It?s also good when classical music is used and becomes inextricably linked with certain programmes, such as Sky at Night, or show jumping, not to mention the Lone Ranger. I?m not sure I would refer to Sousa as classical, but Monty Python made Liberty Bell their own and even today if a brass band plays that march, they risk having members of the audience blowing raspberries at the appropriate point. Alan Taylor > On 14 Feb 2021, at 09:11, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The Wimbledon tennis theme is one such as you describe Alan - called Light and Tuneful! > > But when I got the mood music discs out for doing a fresh copy of the signature tune for Grandstand it was actually named Grandstand - so that one must have been renamed after they chose it. > > Mike G > >>> On 14 Feb 2021, at 08:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Never having been based at TVC, I didn?t get to work on Vision On, but after I went freelance, I did the dub for a programme celebrating library music famously used in TV shows. >> >> Apart from Left Bank Two, I remember ?Approaching Menace? ( Mastermind ) and ?Chicken Man?, which I have dubbed onto loads of episodes of Grange Hill. >> >> It?s quite fun discovering library music. It?s not well known outside of the film & TV production business, but it?s a huge operation. The music was composed and recorded speculatively in the hope of attracting royalty payments when it?s used. The thing which impressed me was how reliable the descriptions were. If you wanted something reminiscent of the Bond theme, it was likely to be titled ?The Name is James?. It wasn?t just the titles, the description were spot on too and directors could quite rapidly compile a list of possibles, before wasting hours listening to them all. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! >>> >>> In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I did a camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most stressful bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size with some very awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it meant moving the ped if you were on a turret. And like so many shows back then, recorded as live, with retakes for only the most significant problems once you were well into the show - otherwise it was stop and restart from the top. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery for Vision On. >>>>> During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid down. >>>>> Anyone else know this? >>>>> It?s a lovely melody. >>>>> Pat H >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: 30 January 2021 07:43 >>>>> To: Tech Ops >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic >>>>> >>>>> And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 14 05:00:32 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:00:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <602902d0.1c69fb81.e6a6.9a19@mx.google.com> Yep, that?s the one. What a useful site! Didn?t know the title, but Alan has supplied that. I just love that tune. It has a wistful idea. But used for a programme aimed at deaf kids, I just wonder. I once interviewed Evelyn Glennie at her house ? if she could see your face a perfectly normal conversation could ensue. A lovely person, and getting over her particular disability. I have mentioned earlier, that my film sound Guild raised money for a school for deaf children. To meet them, one would never realise their deficiency, they were full of beans, interested in us and our jobs, because they knew we worked in movies, and totally ignored their lack of hearing. There was an in-house technician who maintained the hearing aids. Such a shame that funding was stopped, as that school provided a remarkably useful facility for the deaf kids. To build on Alan?s topic of classical music being associated with TV programmes, I admit to performing sacrilege on a piece of Mahler. The Director (Gerry Blake) of ?Rupert of Henzau? wanted a chunk of that, but it was not long enough to cover the end credits, so I lengthened it by doubling it up. Not one of my best audio edits! As I?m in the mood to admit to horrendous mistakes, how about this: Gram Op Finger Trouble! In the 60?s I worked on a fantastic programme to celebrate Winston Churchill?s 90th Birthday. It took the form of a resum? of the entertainments that would have been prevalent during his life ?music hall ? plays etc. I was busy on most of the pre-recorded, well-staged reconstructions, and the whole thing was to be assembled like a live show in LG ?G?, onto 625, 525 Ampex, 16 and 35mm telerecording also. The Director was Michael Mills, Len Shorey the Sound Supervisor. There were loads of telecine and VT inserts, Noel Coward live narrating in the studio, and lots of audio tape material of speeches and music. Accidentally, I forgot to close the fader after a piece of taped narration, and it ran on into the next cue! Michael Mills was furious and stomped into the Sound Control shouting at me: ?That?s going all over the World, and you?ve made a mistake!? I wished the floor would open. Just after that, there was a cut to a caption camera that focussed up late, on shot, then a VT insert was miscued, and the opening music bars were missed, so then it all came to a grinding halt. Of course, it all went back to the point of my mistake, so I was wearing it. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Doug Puddifoot Sent: 13 February 2021 21:42 To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic Do you mean this. http://www.televisiontunes.com/Vision_On_-_The_Gallery.html Doug -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 14 05:15:43 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:15:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BT vs Vodafone In-Reply-To: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> References: <6AEFBADC-C2F0-4EB5-9363-A0A884969940@mac.com> Message-ID: <6029065f.1c69fb81.23d61.a520@mx.google.com> Not an argument with BT, but I had a run-in with TopUp TV, which offered more channels. After a while the channels were reduced so I cancelled. Got a nasty response from them threatening court action as I had not given them six months notice, and therefore they claimed that I had broken the contract. I countered, and said I would file a counter action that they had broken the contract by failing to give the full service that was paid for. Several vox communications resulted , with decreasing levels of subscription offered. They were told to Foxtrot Oscar, and nothing more was heard. I use Vodafone Pay As You Go for my mobile, as it?s only there for a vehicle breakdown. Don?t have/need a smartphone. ?10 on PAYG lasts me several months for the odd call made during a journey. I?m with BT for phone and Broadband, and maybe its a bit pricey. (Around ?54 per month, inc line) but it?s reliable, the Broadband is as fast as I need, and the phone deal is better, as calls to mobiles are unlimited, (only international calls are charged extra). As most people now use a mobile number this was becoming expensive to call. I do get irritated when I see offers for ?New customers only? Surely a way to retain existing subscribers would be to allow them the ?new? deals as well? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 12 February 2021 23:21 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] BT vs Vodafone I do think that this is shady practice on BT?s part only to offer this lower price under duress. Anybody else had similar experiences? Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Feb 14 05:55:51 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 11:55:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <908D6112-9F75-4C35-82A0-F3DDBA131FF3@me.com> References: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> <908D6112-9F75-4C35-82A0-F3DDBA131FF3@me.com> Message-ID: Very true - I now cannot divorce the 'Blue Danube' from Kubrick's '2001 - A Space Oddesey' Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 14 Feb 2021, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. > > It?s also good when classical music is used and becomes inextricably linked with certain programmes, such as Sky at Night, or show jumping, not to mention the Lone Ranger. I?m not sure I would refer to Sousa as classical, but Monty Python made Liberty Bell their own and even today if a brass band plays that march, they risk having members of the audience blowing raspberries at the appropriate point. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 14 Feb 2021, at 09:11, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> The Wimbledon tennis theme is one such as you describe Alan - called Light and Tuneful! >> >> But when I got the mood music discs out for doing a fresh copy of the signature tune for Grandstand it was actually named Grandstand - so that one must have been renamed after they chose it. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 14 Feb 2021, at 08:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Never having been based at TVC, I didn?t get to work on Vision On, but after I went freelance, I did the dub for a programme celebrating library music famously used in TV shows. >>> >>> Apart from Left Bank Two, I remember ?Approaching Menace? ( Mastermind ) and ?Chicken Man?, which I have dubbed onto loads of episodes of Grange Hill. >>> >>> It?s quite fun discovering library music. It?s not well known outside of the film & TV production business, but it?s a huge operation. The music was composed and recorded speculatively in the hope of attracting royalty payments when it?s used. The thing which impressed me was how reliable the descriptions were. If you wanted something reminiscent of the Bond theme, it was likely to be titled ?The Name is James?. It wasn?t just the titles, the description were spot on too and directors could quite rapidly compile a list of possibles, before wasting hours listening to them all. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! >>>> >>>> In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I did a camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most stressful bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size with some very awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it meant moving the ped if you were on a turret. And like so many shows back then, recorded as live, with retakes for only the most significant problems once you were well into the show - otherwise it was stop and restart from the top. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two >>>>> >>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery for Vision On. >>>>>> During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid down. >>>>>> Anyone else know this? >>>>>> It?s a lovely melody. >>>>>> Pat H >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >>>>>> Sent: 30 January 2021 07:43 >>>>>> To: Tech Ops >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic >>>>>> >>>>>> And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike G >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Feb 14 06:11:21 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:11:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <602902d0.1c69fb81.e6a6.9a19@mx.google.com> References: <602902d0.1c69fb81.e6a6.9a19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not quite the same, but doing Grams in Wales, I announced to the gallery that 'A day in the Life', the Beatles White Album Track allegedly about the heir to the Guinness family fortune, had been banned by the Corporation on radio, anyway. I was immediately made to feel like the man in the Bateman cartoon who lit a cigar before the loyal toast, and anyway I wasn't Welsh, so what did I know? A substitute was found, can't remember what. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 14 Feb 2021, at 11:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Yep, that?s the one. What a useful site! Didn?t know the title, but Alan has supplied that. > I just love that tune. It has a wistful idea. But used for a programme aimed at deaf kids, I just wonder. > I once interviewed Evelyn Glennie at her house ? if she could see your face a perfectly normal conversation could ensue. A lovely person, and getting over her particular disability. > I have mentioned earlier, that my film sound Guild raised money for a school for deaf children. To meet them, one would never realise their deficiency, they were full of beans, interested in us and our jobs, because they knew we worked in movies, and totally ignored their lack of hearing. There was an in-house technician who maintained the hearing aids. Such a shame that funding was stopped, as that school provided a remarkably useful facility for the deaf kids. > > To build on Alan?s topic of classical music being associated with TV programmes, I admit to performing sacrilege on a piece of Mahler. The Director (Gerry Blake) of ?Rupert of Henzau? wanted a chunk of that, but it was not long enough to cover the end credits, so I lengthened it by doubling it up. Not one of my best audio edits! > As I?m in the mood to admit to horrendous mistakes, how about this: > Gram Op Finger Trouble! > In the 60?s I worked on a fantastic programme to celebrate Winston Churchill?s 90th Birthday. > It took the form of a resum? of the entertainments that would have been prevalent during his life ?music hall ? plays etc. I was busy on most of the pre-recorded, well-staged reconstructions, and the whole thing was to be assembled like a live show in LG ?G?, onto 625, 525 Ampex, 16 and 35mm telerecording also. > The Director was Michael Mills, Len Shorey the Sound Supervisor. > There were loads of telecine and VT inserts, Noel Coward live narrating in the studio, and lots of audio tape material of speeches and music. > Accidentally, I forgot to close the fader after a piece of taped narration, and it ran on into the next cue! Michael Mills was furious and stomped into the Sound Control shouting at me: ?That?s going all over the World, and you?ve made a mistake!? I wished the floor would open. Just after that, there was a cut to a caption camera that focussed up late, on shot, then a VT insert was miscued, and the opening music bars were missed, so then it all came to a grinding halt. Of course, it all went back to the point of my mistake, so I was wearing it. > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Doug Puddifoot > Sent: 13 February 2021 21:42 > To: patheigham > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops co. uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic > > Do you mean this. > > http://www.televisiontunes.com/Vision_On_-_The_Gallery.html > > Doug > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Sun Feb 14 06:11:24 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:11:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> References: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> Message-ID: <6a83d2ab-7215-5ffc-8098-cdc6d75edc9f@sky.com> In the late 1980s, my department, TV Training, had a dubbing theatre built at Elstree. We already had a library of mood music on LP, but the industry was changing over to CDs so there was a also large selection of De Wolf, KPM, Studio G to name three companies on this format. As well as ensuring that TVT got the new releases from these companies, I contacted a number of other libraries and asked if TVT could be supplied with their releases, playing on the fact that we trained production staff and that they would be 'exposed to their music'. This request worked a treat and at least one of the companies actually came to Elstree Centre to deliver the CDs, probably for a day out of the office and to see where and how their CDs would be used! In the end the back wall of the mixing area had shelves of these CDs grouped into companies, plus a complete set of BBC sound effects CDs and most of the 33RPM versions, plus a complete set of Natural History 33s. It was interesting to play through new releases as well as earlier ones to hear what was on them, for example - the Channel 4 news sig tune comes from a Studio G CD and the original All Creatures Great and Small is from a mood music CD, although I cannot now remember which library. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 14 06:40:01 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:40:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: <602902d0.1c69fb81.e6a6.9a19@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <60291a21.1c69fb81.180a0.d333@mx.google.com> My father, a Yorkshire born man, always said that of the Welsh: ? Half of them can sing, the other half think they can!? But I did record the Morriston Orpheus Choir in their chapel. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance Sent: 14 February 2021 12:11 To: patheigham Cc: Mr Alasdair Lawrance; Doug Puddifoot; Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic I was immediately made to feel like the man in the Bateman cartoon who lit a cigar before the loyal toast, and anyway I wasn't Welsh, so what did I know? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Feb 14 06:43:21 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:43:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic Message-ID: ?There have been several claims over the years as to how the Monty Python theme came about. The one that I do know to be true is this: I was on duty in the Lime Grove Studio ?R? area - basically a radio-style tape recording channel that I think consisted of two TR90?s (it might have been Leevers Rich) and a ?linking console?, plus a small studio for recording voice-overs, etc. During a gap between studio bookings, Derek Hart (Tonight) walked in, clutching a 7? tape containing some brass band military marches, that I think he had himself recorded in Portsmouth. He just wanted them topped and tailed with leader tape, and as all was quiet, I did it for him. I never discovered what purpose he had in mind for them. We then listened through them all, and just as Liberty Bell was playing, in walked Terry Gilliam, my next official booking. Under his arm was a bundle of BBC music library discs. He heard Derek?s Liberty Bell, and instantly said that would be perfect for his animated titles, and of course it was. The only bit I can?t state for sure is whether it was Derek?s recording that he used or some other library or commercial disc. He certainly went away with a copy of Derek?s tape. The rest is history! And, as a totally personal footnote to the above: I had the huge privilege to work on Monty Python series 1 as a gram op. Sadly though, I didn?t fully appreciate it at the time because my Dad had been gravely ill in Guy?s Hospital for nearly three months, and I made a point of visiting him daily without fail after work. Just as we were about to start recording one episode, a phone call came, to say could I get there urgently as the time had come to turn off his life-support. Suffice it to say, the considerable level of concentration required as a gram op on Python was a bit lacking that night. But, I got to Guys a little before midnight, just in time to say my goodbyes. And then, on my 30th birthday, he was gone. Whenever I hear The Liberty Bell, that?s what I remember. But it?s a jolly piece that I know he would have liked too. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 14 Feb 2021, at 10:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. It?s also good when classical music is used and becomes inextricably linked with certain programmes, such as Sky at Night, or show jumping, not to mention the Lone Ranger. I?m not sure I would refer to Sousa as classical, but Monty Python made Liberty Bell their own and even today if a brass band plays that march, they risk having members of the audience blowing raspberries at the appropriate point. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 14 06:46:23 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 12:46:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <6a83d2ab-7215-5ffc-8098-cdc6d75edc9f@sky.com> References: <6a83d2ab-7215-5ffc-8098-cdc6d75edc9f@sky.com> Message-ID: <5F4D917C-78C6-4FF1-98AB-9327F170FAD8@me.com> I never really worked out the economics of library music. Some of it was recorded with proper orchestras and although session musicians can play brilliantly straight off the sheet music, getting an orchestra into a studio is an expensive proposition. It?s relatively cheap to make CDs, but the sheer number of them distributed was colossal, it was quite routine to receive a hundred library CDs in a week. Storing them all became an issue. I know they get paid royalties, but wonder how those royalties can cover the production costs. Online music libraries must be a much better financial proposition. Alan Taylor > On 14 Feb 2021, at 12:11, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In the late 1980s, my department, TV Training, had a dubbing theatre built at Elstree. We already had a library of mood music on LP, but the industry was changing over to CDs so there was a also large selection of De Wolf, KPM, Studio G to name three companies on this format. > > As well as ensuring that TVT got the new releases from these companies, I contacted a number of other libraries and asked if TVT could be supplied with their releases, playing on the fact that we trained production staff and that they would be 'exposed to their music'. This request worked a treat and at least one of the companies actually came to Elstree Centre to deliver the CDs, probably for a day out of the office and to see where and how their CDs would be used! > > In the end the back wall of the mixing area had shelves of these CDs grouped into companies, plus a complete set of BBC sound effects CDs and most of the 33RPM versions, plus a complete set of Natural History 33s. > > It was interesting to play through new releases as well as earlier ones to hear what was on them, for example - the Channel 4 news sig tune comes from a Studio G CD and the original All Creatures Great and Small is from a mood music CD, although I cannot now remember which library. > > Dave Buckley > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 14 08:03:00 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:03:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <6a83d2ab-7215-5ffc-8098-cdc6d75edc9f@sky.com> References: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> <6a83d2ab-7215-5ffc-8098-cdc6d75edc9f@sky.com> Message-ID: <60292d94.1c69fb81.dbddf.76c8@mx.google.com> When I was a Grams Op at TVC in the sixties, there was a young librarian fellow in the Gramophone Library there, who was shit hot at knowing what was what. A play I worked on needed some piano roll recordings, so the SS and I went to the Brentford Piano Museum to make some recordings off a pianola. We had an open line, reverse charges call to the TVC Gram Library, and as various rolls were pulled out, it could be ascertained as to whether the date was in context. The Gram Library guy was terrific and came back with the answers very, very fast. So we got our tracks. I was very taken with another device ? The Orchestrion, this was a pipe organ, similar to a fairground instrument, with punched cards playing the tunes. I did a deal with the curator, and for a donation, came back later to record it on my Revox, in stereo. I still have the tapes. A lovely sound, rather similar to the Dutch street organs, which I later recorded for ?Puppet on a Chain?. Here?s a sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBdKztfSHk I made a mistake on one number ? I asked the curator if it could be played faster, so he changed the drive belts, and indeed it was, but became stupid at the end of the piece. I just wish I could have one, but where would I keep it, in a one bedroom flat! Working on ?Phyllis Dixey" for Euston Films, we were using the Winter Gardens theatre in Blackpool as a set, and my mixer discovered that there was a Wurlitzer organ there. Talking to the stage doorkeeper was highly productive, he phoned Phil Kelsall who had taken over from Reg Dixon at the Tower Ballroom. He came down and apologising for the fact that he?d nicked some of the best stops for the Tower organ, nevertheless he played a few numbers we requested. We had packed the kit away but quickly got the stereo Nagra up and running, with me holding a couple of mics, in crossed pair configuration. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlVsE7Slq40 Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 14 February 2021 12:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic We already had a library of mood music on LP, but the industry was changing over to CDs so there was a also large selection of De Wolf, KPM, Studio G to name three companies on this format. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin at colinhassell.com Sun Feb 14 08:12:22 2021 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:12:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <908D6112-9F75-4C35-82A0-F3DDBA131FF3@me.com> References: <908D6112-9F75-4C35-82A0-F3DDBA131FF3@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Alan My old TV Sports Themes LP tells me that: Match Of The Day was written by Barry Stoller & Grandstand was written by Keith Mansfield Cheers Colin Hassell St Albans Herts UK > On 14 Feb 2021, at 10:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sun Feb 14 08:45:53 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:45:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Regarding 'TV Library Music'. The most prominent library was Keith Prowse Music-KPM. In his book 'Tape's Rolling-Take One', the outstanding recording engineer Adrian Kerridge (Lansdowne) describes the many sessions he undertook recording the KPM Library. In the mid '60's the Musicians Union rules were very restrictive about recording 'library music' and although Kerridge had been recording for the KPM library at Lansdowne from 1960, Robin Phillips of KPM organised Kerridge to engineer sessions at a German studio, Ariola in Cologne starting in June 1966. Phillips took 'key' musicians, such as Kenny Clare on drums, Pete McGurk on bass, Alan Parker on guitar, Jim Lawless percussion and a violin leader, Tony Gilbert. Kerridge had to sort out using an unknown Siemens miser with light-beam meters, recording on to a strange 4/6 track Telefunken M10 recorder- that only recorded 4 tracks at once. But for Kerridge, who mixed 'live to stereo' effectively, the 4 tracks were just a backup really. The German session musicians came from the Cologne Symphony Orchestra and the Clarke/Boland Big Band and the sessions went well, although Kerridge was determined to improve the separation in the studio in future. A surprise came when he discovered the Siemens desk was new- and hadn't even been used before-and it was being powered by two large 24 volt batteries until a proper power supply was fitted! The sessions for KPM became very numerous as the library expanded and eventually studios used were in Munich and Brussels as well as Cologne. Kerridge relates a story about the head of music at LWT, Harry Rabinowitz (who you BBC guys will have 'experienced'), organising a session with Kerridge. Harry only did 'the one' - he promptly started going abroad with his own favourite engineer Keith Grant and Kerridge regretted giving Harry 'the knowledge' about recording abroad! I was a young engineer in LWT's music studio 'Studio S or Intersound' in '70/71 and Harry would come in with an 8 Track to mix his (and Keith Grant's) latest efforts for the LWT Mood Library Standard Music. As Alan says, the quality of the KPM Library music that Adrian Kerridge produced was amazing, particularly since the tracks were recorded 'at high speed'. Dave T On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 at 08:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Never having been based at TVC, I didn?t get to work on Vision On, but > after I went freelance, I did the dub for a programme celebrating library > music famously used in TV shows. > > Apart from Left Bank Two, I remember ?Approaching Menace? ( Mastermind ) > and ?Chicken Man?, which I have dubbed onto loads of episodes of Grange > Hill. > > It?s quite fun discovering library music. It?s not well known outside of > the film & TV production business, but it?s a huge operation. The music > was composed and recorded speculatively in the hope of attracting royalty > payments when it?s used. The thing which impressed me was how reliable the > descriptions were. If you wanted something reminiscent of the Bond theme, > it was likely to be titled ?The Name is James?. It wasn?t just the titles, > the description were spot on too and directors could quite rapidly compile > a list of possibles, before wasting hours listening to them all. > > Alan Taylor > > > On 13 Feb 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! > > In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I did a > camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most stressful > bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size with some very > awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it meant moving the ped > if you were on a turret. And like so many shows back then, recorded as > live, with retakes for only the most significant problems once you were > well into the show - otherwise it was stop and restart from the top. > > Mike G > > On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery > for Vision On. > > During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to > play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid > down. > > Anyone else know this? > > It?s a lovely melody. > > Pat H > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Mike Giles via Tech1 > *Sent: *30 January 2021 07:43 > *To: *Tech Ops > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Another topic > > > > And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On > - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for > several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely > TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule > dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. > > > > Mike G > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-326819591085947700_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Feb 14 08:51:06 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 14:51:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> References: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> Message-ID: <8de02b94-90ef-be0f-a3a0-2894bd2d1c2d@gmail.com> The version of Grandstand on disc that we used had extra phrases in it, compared to the sig tune. We often had to make a 50 second Grandstand trail, so one had in the office a 50" edit on 1/4 inch. Except when it got lost, and you'd end up in Pres A doing another copy and editing it down. I quite enjoyed editing music, and still do, though it's now on some computer editor, currently Resolve. In promotions we had reps from the music libraries visit from time to time. When Cavendish started, the man asked if we wanted the library. I said yes, and endless boxes of LPs turned up. B On 14/02/2021 09:10, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > The Wimbledon tennis theme is one such as you describe Alan - called > Light and Tuneful! > > But when I got the mood music discs out for doing a fresh copy of the > signature tune for Grandstand it was actually named Grandstand - so > that one must have been renamed after they chose it. > > Mike G > >> On 14 Feb 2021, at 08:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Never having been based at TVC, I didn?t get to work on Vision On, >> but after I went freelance, ?I did the dub for a programme >> celebrating library music famously used in TV shows. >> >> Apart from Left Bank Two, I remember ?Approaching Menace? ( >> Mastermind ) and ??Chicken Man?, which I have dubbed onto loads of >> episodes of Grange Hill. >> >> It?s quite fun discovering library music. ?It?s not well known >> outside of the film & TV ?production business, but it?s a huge >> operation. The music was composed and recorded speculatively in the >> hope of attracting royalty payments when it?s used. The thing which >> impressed me was how reliable the descriptions were. ?If you wanted >> something reminiscent of the Bond theme, it was likely to be titled >> ?The Name is James?. ?It wasn?t just the titles, the description were >> spot on too and directors could quite rapidly compile a list of >> possibles, before wasting hours listening to them all. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! >>> >>> In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I >>> did a camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most >>> stressful bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size >>> with some very awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it >>> meant moving the ped if you were on a turret. And like so many shows >>> back then, recorded as live, with retakes for only the most >>> significant problems once you were well into the show - otherwise it >>> was stop and restart from the top. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two >>>> >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> >>>>> I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture >>>>> Gallery for Vision On. >>>>> >>>>> During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist >>>>> started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined >>>>> in, and it was laid down. >>>>> >>>>> Anyone else know this? >>>>> >>>>> It?s a lovely melody. >>>>> >>>>> Pat H >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail >>>>> for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> *From: *Mike Giles via Tech1 >>>>> *Sent: *30 January 2021 07:43 >>>>> *To: *Tech Ops >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Another topic >>>>> >>>>> And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - >>>>> Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram >>>>> op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in >>>>> the regions - merely TOs. 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Still sound good, though, and though the pedals work and the music rolls go round, the air leaks out all over. B On 14/02/2021 14:03, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > When I was a Grams Op at TVC in the sixties, there was a young > librarian fellow in the Gramophone Library there, who was shit hot at > knowing what was what. > > A play I worked on needed some piano roll recordings, so the SS and I > went to the Brentford Piano Museum to make some recordings off a > pianola. We had an open line, reverse charges call to the TVC Gram > Library, and as various rolls were pulled out, it could be ascertained > as to whether the date was in context. The Gram Library guy was > terrific and came back with the answers very, very fast. So we got our > tracks. > > I was very taken with another device ? The Orchestrion, this was a > pipe organ, similar to a fairground instrument, with punched cards > playing the tunes. > > I did a deal with the curator, and for a donation, came back later to > record it on my Revox, in stereo. I still have the tapes. > > A lovely sound, rather similar to the Dutch street organs, which I > later recorded for ?Puppet on a Chain?. > > Here?s a sample: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBdKztfSHk > > > I made a mistake on one number ? I asked the curator if it could be > played faster, so he changed the drive belts, and indeed it was, but > became stupid at the end of the piece. > > I just wish I could have one, but where would I keep it, in a one > bedroom flat! > > Working on ?Phyllis Dixey" for Euston Films, we were? using the Winter > Gardens theatre in Blackpool as a set, and my mixer discovered that > there was a Wurlitzer organ there. Talking to the stage doorkeeper was > highly productive, he phoned Phil Kelsall who had taken over from Reg > Dixon at the Tower Ballroom. > > He came down and apologising for the fact that he?d nicked some of the > best stops for the Tower organ, nevertheless he played a few numbers > we requested. We had packed the kit away but quickly got the stereo > Nagra up and running, with me holding a couple of mics, in crossed > pair configuration. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlVsE7Slq40 > > > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Dave Buckley via Tech1 > *Sent: *14 February 2021 12:11 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Another topic > > We already had a library of mood music on LP, but the > > industry was changing over to CDs so there was a also large selection of > > De Wolf, KPM, Studio G to name three companies on this format. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I coated it in Bondic and hardened it and it is just so solid it should last forever! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 15 03:14:23 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:14:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] BT vs Vodafone Message-ID: <4A9D0A2C-0314-4348-ABDF-BE3117C448E5@mac.com> ?I?ve forgotten who asked if my recent BT and Vodafone offers included line rental. I have positively confirmed with BT that their quote includes landline. ?26.99 for line, unlimited broadband 61-68MBs (guaranteed minimum 56) and up to 700 minutes of anytime landline calls. Call protection via 1572 is included, which we use religiously to block scam calls that we receive very frequently, but I don?t know how effective that is, because we then get the same scam from a different number. The operator I spoke to about that some time ago said that once the same number is registered by enough people, they do investigate, but who knows what that achieves! Mike G From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 15 03:24:13 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:24:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Patience! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Edits or not, still a remarkable project. With nothing better to do, it would be fun to count the pieces involved, but fortunately I am just a tad too busy! Mike G > On 14 Feb 2021, at 18:10, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > Brilliant! But were they multi cameras at the foot of the stairs, or edits? (What, me cynical?) > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message -------- > From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" > Date: 14/02/2021 17:08 (GMT+00:00) > To: "," > Subject: [Tech1] Patience! > > I wonder how long it took to set it up? They must be in lock-down! > Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 15 03:36:53 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:36:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5403E0D1-3B15-48A2-A768-D778896A4375@mac.com> Does it say whether they were commissioned? Back on the Grandstand theme, I?d always thought that that was one of many mood music tracks, as we got hold of the session tapes at one stage and there were several tracks in a similar vein, and I?m pretty sure that the idents made no reference to Grandstand. I?m a bit hazy on the details, but I fancy we had to listen to several tracks to find the right one as the documentation was unspecific. Mike G > On 14 Feb 2021, at 14:12, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Hi Alan > > My old TV Sports Themes LP tells me that: > Match Of The Day was written by Barry Stoller > & > Grandstand was written by Keith Mansfield > > Cheers > > Colin Hassell > St Albans > Herts > UK > > >> On 14 Feb 2021, at 10:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 03:58:12 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 09:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <908D6112-9F75-4C35-82A0-F3DDBA131FF3@me.com> References: <221DB35E-D79E-48BE-9FF5-A283ADADEF65@mac.com> <908D6112-9F75-4C35-82A0-F3DDBA131FF3@me.com> Message-ID: <17512397.35a.177a52048e7.Webtop.104@btinternet.com> One of my favourite pieces of suspenseful Mood Music was originally called (I think) "Sinister Street", but you can now get it under the name of the sketch it was most associated with - "The Phantom Raspberry Blower of Old London Town" - an all time classic! ------ Original Message ------ From: "Alan Taylor via Tech1" To: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" Sent: Sunday, 14 Feb, 21 At 10:36 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. It?s also good when classical music is used and becomes inextricably linked with certain programmes, such as Sky at Night, or show jumping, not to mention the Lone Ranger. I?m not sure I would refer to Sousa as classical, but Monty Python made Liberty Bell their own and even today if a brass band plays that march, they risk having members of the audience blowing raspberries at the appropriate point. Alan Taylor On 14 Feb 2021, at 09:11, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? The Wimbledon tennis theme is one such as you describe Alan - called Light and Tuneful! But when I got the mood music discs out for doing a fresh copy of the signature tune for Grandstand it was actually named Grandstand - so that one must have been renamed after they chose it. Mike G On 14 Feb 2021, at 08:09, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Never having been based at TVC, I didn?t get to work on Vision On, but after I went freelance, I did the dub for a programme celebrating library music famously used in TV shows. Apart from Left Bank Two, I remember ?Approaching Menace? ( Mastermind ) and ?Chicken Man?, which I have dubbed onto loads of episodes of Grange Hill. It?s quite fun discovering library music. It?s not well known outside of the film & TV production business, but it?s a huge operation. The music was composed and recorded speculatively in the hope of attracting royalty payments when it?s used. The thing which impressed me was how reliable the descriptions were. If you wanted something reminiscent of the Bond theme, it was likely to be titled ?The Name is James?. It wasn?t just the titles, the description were spot on too and directors could quite rapidly compile a list of possibles, before wasting hours listening to them all. Alan Taylor On 13 Feb 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ? I would not have remembered that and I played it often enough! In my early days as a TO, when we did everything in the regions, I did a camera on Vision On several times and The Gallery was the most stressful bit, panning in the right sequence and adjusting for size with some very awkward zoom lenses, if you were lucky, otherwise it meant moving the ped if you were on a turret. And like so many shows back then, recorded as live, with retakes for only the most significant problems once you were well into the show - otherwise it was stop and restart from the top. Mike G On 13 Feb 2021, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? The Vision On gallery tune is called Left Bank Two https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left_Bank_Two Alan Taylor On 13 Feb 2021, at 20:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I have a memory as to the music that was used behind the Picture Gallery for Vision On. During a music session- maybe at Riverside, the percussionist started to play on the vibraphone, the guitarist vamping, joined in, and it was laid down. Anyone else know this? It?s a lovely melody. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 30 January 2021 07:43 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another topic And then of course there was that other programme for the deaf - Vision On - which paid particular attention to sound! I was gram op on that for several series, not that we were called gram ops in the regions - merely TOs. Apart from the SS and SA1, I can?t even recall if the schedule dictated who would be doing what on the day - it was probably just assumed. 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The email system takes a (say) mp4 file and encodes it like this - a lot of this.......... 7MqBjXQ3edzrZUFA9eZM1mkWPxoC5ei32VeWntCtINJVFt8yfjIlVP6bJ3+s9lWbXA7va0yr ufVaxlmVpN/rzfkQraPkXJ4cjMa/x/czOGaMQ28yfRrn9xK9Ne9GrZZhsFO6iFSmlLdW8XcM M0eium/TnxUI+fcKuK2e6VEsWrTV1dcQwhXwp1nEfmasUK4iGfAg1ESLChU992+M6eG3P6Ix dhJDp4OLiGhPSSS983hfOaV3wBdaa1wIQ+xd722YpHgY4Go+UE9cM8t83iTaJspIHR2rgOCb kg8cJ9OurrD5VGF9hTo6MFPlGTc+9IihyeUlQcvjI5vYYGtgcIuIHFq+tIsqpxcFW9ci7sTh uDnKsu3xNNU52Dr6pQWziswMvSSiA0OqEGIdHDhQ+BVMFa9AW3f8Z+gMFCGXRg1kJrSS2lEI s9LTqHaS0oHhsifvQ1qvJPcirOp20NFiuTVYXljw0UePRpwjLAmOzYHnArTKVTnZjrQmswDA This expands the file by quite a bit, so even if you think it might be small enough, after encoding it isn't. I think you probably need to get the original file under 7MB to work, and you can do this with something like HandBrake.? Dave's file started at 30fps but is now 15fps, with lower quality plus some sharpening. It isn't quite as good as when it started, but "good enough for jazz". B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Feb 15 04:28:20 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 10:28:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: <5403E0D1-3B15-48A2-A768-D778896A4375@mac.com> References: <5403E0D1-3B15-48A2-A768-D778896A4375@mac.com> Message-ID: When I said that I was told about the composer for the Grandstand and MOTD themes, it was during a bit of chit chat with a well known BBC sports producer. Although at the time I had no reason to doubt what I was told, if Colin has an album sleeve which says otherwise, I would have no hesitation in acknowledging it as a vastly more reliable source. Somebody else mentioned having to edit existing music to fit a programme. I dubbed a show where they wanted to edit down a Peter Gabriel track. They sought permission to do so as permission is not always granted for edited versions. Permission was conditionally given, subject to approving the final edit. Listening to the track, the proposed edit would work musically, but was an absolute pig of an edit to achieve because of the complexity of the music. Fortunately I was using a digital editing system and could edit with precision, but even so, it was proving to be challenging. After a lot of messing about trying the edit in slightly different places, or even doing more than one edit, I ended up with a track of the desired duration and with what I felt was a seamless edit. The producer was sent the edited version for approval and late that night I got a phone call from him saying that he could hear the edit and he wasn?t prepared to pass it on to Peter Gabriel for approval. Naturally I was horrified and first thing the next day went in to listen again to the edit, which seemed perfect. The producer arrived a little later and when I played the track he pointed out the edit, which was subtle but definitely there once you have noticed it. However that wasn?t where I did the edit. I got out the original CD and sure enough, there was an edit in the track on the original CD. The producer had his own copy of the CD with him and that too had the same edit. I challenged the producer to send PG our edited track with a note saying our edit was better than the one we encountered on the CD, but I suspect he ignored my suggestion as we were granted approval the next day. Alan Taylor > On 15 Feb 2021, at 09:36, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?Does it say whether they were commissioned? > > Back on the Grandstand theme, I?d always thought that that was one of many mood music tracks, as we got hold of the session tapes at one stage and there were several tracks in a similar vein, and I?m pretty sure that the idents made no reference to Grandstand. I?m a bit hazy on the details, but I fancy we had to listen to several tracks to find the right one as the documentation was unspecific. > > Mike G > >> On 14 Feb 2021, at 14:12, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Hi Alan >> >> My old TV Sports Themes LP tells me that: >> Match Of The Day was written by Barry Stoller >> & >> Grandstand was written by Keith Mansfield >> >> Cheers >> >> Colin Hassell >> St Albans >> Herts >> UK >> >> >>>> On 14 Feb 2021, at 10:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 05:13:04 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:13:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] BT vs Vodafone In-Reply-To: <4A9D0A2C-0314-4348-ABDF-BE3117C448E5@mac.com> References: <4A9D0A2C-0314-4348-ABDF-BE3117C448E5@mac.com> Message-ID: <58ff237e76davesound@btinternet.com> In article <4A9D0A2C-0314-4348-ABDF-BE3117C448E5 at mac.com>, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > #I?ve forgotten who asked if my recent BT and Vodafone offers included > line rental. I have positively confirmed with BT that their quote > includes landline. ?26.99 for line, unlimited broadband 61-68MBs > (guaranteed minimum 56) and up to 700 minutes of anytime landline calls. > Call protection via 1572 is included, which we use religiously to block > scam calls that we receive very frequently, but I don?t know how > effective that is, because we then get the same scam from a different > number. The operator I spoke to about that some time ago said that once > the same number is registered by enough people, they do investigate, but > who knows what that achieves! Only way I've found is to block all calls other than the numbers in your contact list. That has stopped all spam calls here. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From colin at colinhassell.com Mon Feb 15 05:33:05 2021 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 11:33:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another topic In-Reply-To: References: <5403E0D1-3B15-48A2-A768-D778896A4375@mac.com> Message-ID: <3252FB83-B4C4-4193-B1C0-7E473BD561F1@colinhassell.com> A little Google search has come up with these two items about the MOTD theme: https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/28836674 https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/tv/entries/514c3b7e-65be-3fd6-8cf6-31fe89e4bba4 Colin Hassell > On 15 Feb 2021, at 10:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > When I said that I was told about the composer for the Grandstand and MOTD themes, it was during a bit of chit chat with a well known BBC sports producer. Although at the time I had no reason to doubt what I was told, if Colin has an album sleeve which says otherwise, I would have no hesitation in acknowledging it as a vastly more reliable source. > > Somebody else mentioned having to edit existing music to fit a programme. I dubbed a show where they wanted to edit down a Peter Gabriel track. They sought permission to do so as permission is not always granted for edited versions. Permission was conditionally given, subject to approving the final edit. > > Listening to the track, the proposed edit would work musically, but was an absolute pig of an edit to achieve because of the complexity of the music. Fortunately I was using a digital editing system and could edit with precision, but even so, it was proving to be challenging. After a lot of messing about trying the edit in slightly different places, or even doing more than one edit, I ended up with a track of the desired duration and with what I felt was a seamless edit. > > The producer was sent the edited version for approval and late that night I got a phone call from him saying that he could hear the edit and he wasn?t prepared to pass it on to Peter Gabriel for approval. Naturally I was horrified and first thing the next day went in to listen again to the edit, which seemed perfect. The producer arrived a little later and when I played the track he pointed out the edit, which was subtle but definitely there once you have noticed it. However that wasn?t where I did the edit. I got out the original CD and sure enough, there was an edit in the track on the original CD. The producer had his own copy of the CD with him and that too had the same edit. > > I challenged the producer to send PG our edited track with a note saying our edit was better than the one we encountered on the CD, but I suspect he ignored my suggestion as we were granted approval the next day. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 15 Feb 2021, at 09:36, Mike Giles wrote: >> >> ?Does it say whether they were commissioned? >> >> Back on the Grandstand theme, I?d always thought that that was one of many mood music tracks, as we got hold of the session tapes at one stage and there were several tracks in a similar vein, and I?m pretty sure that the idents made no reference to Grandstand. I?m a bit hazy on the details, but I fancy we had to listen to several tracks to find the right one as the documentation was unspecific. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 14 Feb 2021, at 14:12, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Hi Alan >>> >>> My old TV Sports Themes LP tells me that: >>> Match Of The Day was written by Barry Stoller >>> & >>> Grandstand was written by Keith Mansfield >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Colin Hassell >>> St Albans >>> Herts >>> UK >>> >>> >>>>> On 14 Feb 2021, at 10:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I was told that the themes to Grandstand and MOTD were specially composed and by the same guy too, but I may well be wrong about that. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don?t think that I am on some blacklist. > > Best, Alex. > > > > From: Alex Thomas > Sent: 12 February 2021 14:38 > To: 'Tech ops' > > Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. > > > We all have memories of rehearsal and live tv disasters and some of them can be recalled by the mention of a name. > > The mention of Barry Bucknell reminded me of a Bucknell from the early sixties in TC2. > > I was operating the wide angle easy shot whilst others more senior than me were snatching the close-ups. > > It was the days of treating a recording as live so that the 2? tape did not have to be cut physically for which there would be a charge of ?75. > > > Barry was building an overhead locker which would appear in the shot behind him. > > All went well until the final shot and Barry?s pay-off. > > As he faced my camera and started his closing I saw the locker start to quiver and then fall down behind him. > > I must admit that I burst out laughing and then the director, the late Don Sayer, appeared at the top of the gallery stairs > > and shouted ?You have just cost me ?75 ?. > > I offered to pay the money from my own pocket if he would transmit the closing shot as recorded. > > He declined my generous offer, we rebuilt the locker and recorded a new closing. > > Alex Thomas. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Taylor > On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: "Alex Thomas" >> Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. >> Date: 14 February 2021 at 23:55:42 GMT >> To: "'Albert Barber'" >> >> Albert, I have sent this to Bernie?s site but it hasn?t appeared. >> >> Perhaps you could forward it for me and see if that works. I don?t think that I am on some blacklist. >> >> Best, Alex. >> >> >> >> From: Alex Thomas >> Sent: 12 February 2021 14:38 >> To: 'Tech ops' >> Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. >> >> >> We all have memories of rehearsal and live tv disasters and some of them can be recalled by the mention of a name. >> >> The mention of Barry Bucknell reminded me of a Bucknell from the early sixties in TC2. >> >> I was operating the wide angle easy shot whilst others more senior than me were snatching the close-ups. >> >> It was the days of treating a recording as live so that the 2? tape did not have to be cut physically for which there would be a charge of ?75. >> >> >> Barry was building an overhead locker which would appear in the shot behind him. >> >> All went well until the final shot and Barry?s pay-off. >> >> As he faced my camera and started his closing I saw the locker start to quiver and then fall down behind him. >> >> I must admit that I burst out laughing and then the director, the late Don Sayer, appeared at the top of the gallery stairs >> >> and shouted ?You have just cost me ?75 ?. >> >> I offered to pay the money from my own pocket if he would transmit the closing shot as recorded. >> >> He declined my generous offer, we rebuilt the locker and recorded a new closing. >> >> Alex Thomas. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Feb 15 06:34:40 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:34:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <6F7895CA-E6B9-4F77-8B78-0DA78350B603@me.com> References: <6F7895CA-E6B9-4F77-8B78-0DA78350B603@me.com> Message-ID: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> I?m too young to have worked on the shows but I remember my father, a keen amateur carpenter, always referred to his ?pump-action? screw driver as a Barry Bucknall. Graeme Wall > On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I hope Barry used his catchphrase ?That is NOT how you do it!? > > I never liked his nickname ? Bodger Bucknell. Bodging is the skilled craft of making traditional chairs, but I would have no issues with people calling him Botcher Bucknell. > > Incidentally if anybody has any memories or tales of working on the Bucknell?s House OBs, I would very much like to hear about them, either on here or privately. It?s high on the list of topics which I would like to include in the book, but very little information has survived, however some who worked on it must still be with us. > > Alan Taylor > >>> On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>> From: "Alex Thomas" >>> Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. >>> Date: 14 February 2021 at 23:55:42 GMT >>> To: "'Albert Barber'" >>> >>> Albert, I have sent this to Bernie?s site but it hasn?t appeared. >>> >>> Perhaps you could forward it for me and see if that works. I don?t think that I am on some blacklist. >>> >>> Best, Alex. >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Alex Thomas >>> Sent: 12 February 2021 14:38 >>> To: 'Tech ops' >>> Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. >>> >>> >>> We all have memories of rehearsal and live tv disasters and some of them can be recalled by the mention of a name. >>> >>> The mention of Barry Bucknell reminded me of a Bucknell from the early sixties in TC2. >>> >>> I was operating the wide angle easy shot whilst others more senior than me were snatching the close-ups. >>> >>> It was the days of treating a recording as live so that the 2? tape did not have to be cut physically for which there would be a charge of ?75. >>> >>> >>> Barry was building an overhead locker which would appear in the shot behind him. >>> >>> All went well until the final shot and Barry?s pay-off. >>> >>> As he faced my camera and started his closing I saw the locker start to quiver and then fall down behind him. >>> >>> I must admit that I burst out laughing and then the director, the late Don Sayer, appeared at the top of the gallery stairs >>> >>> and shouted ?You have just cost me ?75 ?. >>> >>> I offered to pay the money from my own pocket if he would transmit the closing shot as recorded. >>> >>> He declined my generous offer, we rebuilt the locker and recorded a new closing. >>> >>> Alex Thomas. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Mon Feb 15 06:50:32 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 12:50:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <6F7895CA-E6B9-4F77-8B78-0DA78350B603@me.com> References: <6F7895CA-E6B9-4F77-8B78-0DA78350B603@me.com> Message-ID: <001101d70399$25a2e0f0$70e8a2d0$@gmail.com> I never worked on the series but as a resident of Ealing at the time I know at the end the house was demolished as it was unsafe. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 15 February 2021 12:28 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. I hope Barry used his catchphrase ?That is NOT how you do it!? I never liked his nickname ? Bodger Bucknell. Bodging is the skilled craft of making traditional chairs, but I would have no issues with people calling him Botcher Bucknell. Incidentally if anybody has any memories or tales of working on the Bucknell?s House OBs, I would very much like to hear about them, either on here or privately. It?s high on the list of topics which I would like to include in the book, but very little information has survived, however some who worked on it must still be with us. Alan Taylor On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 > wrote: ? Begin forwarded message: From: "Alex Thomas" > Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. Date: 14 February 2021 at 23:55:42 GMT To: "'Albert Barber'" > Albert, I have sent this to Bernie?s site but it hasn?t appeared. Perhaps you could forward it for me and see if that works. I don?t think that I am on some blacklist. Best, Alex. From: Alex Thomas Sent: 12 February 2021 14:38 To: 'Tech ops' > Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. We all have memories of rehearsal and live tv disasters and some of them can be recalled by the mention of a name. The mention of Barry Bucknell reminded me of a Bucknell from the early sixties in TC2. I was operating the wide angle easy shot whilst others more senior than me were snatching the close-ups. It was the days of treating a recording as live so that the 2? tape did not have to be cut physically for which there would be a charge of ?75. Barry was building an overhead locker which would appear in the shot behind him. All went well until the final shot and Barry?s pay-off. As he faced my camera and started his closing I saw the locker start to quiver and then fall down behind him. I must admit that I burst out laughing and then the director, the late Don Sayer, appeared at the top of the gallery stairs and shouted ?You have just cost me ?75 ?. I offered to pay the money from my own pocket if he would transmit the closing shot as recorded. He declined my generous offer, we rebuilt the locker and recorded a new closing. Alex Thomas. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Feb 15 07:02:55 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:02:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> Message-ID: <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. Alan Taylor > On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:34, Graeme Wall wrote: > > ?I?m too young to have worked on the shows but I remember my father, a keen amateur carpenter, always referred to his ?pump-action? screw driver as a Barry Bucknall. > > Graeme Wall > >>> On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> I hope Barry used his catchphrase ?That is NOT how you do it!? >> >> I never liked his nickname ? Bodger Bucknell. Bodging is the skilled craft of making traditional chairs, but I would have no issues with people calling him Botcher Bucknell. >> >> Incidentally if anybody has any memories or tales of working on the Bucknell?s House OBs, I would very much like to hear about them, either on here or privately. It?s high on the list of topics which I would like to include in the book, but very little information has survived, however some who worked on it must still be with us. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> >>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> >>>> From: "Alex Thomas" >>>> Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. >>>> Date: 14 February 2021 at 23:55:42 GMT >>>> To: "'Albert Barber'" >>>> >>>> Albert, I have sent this to Bernie?s site but it hasn?t appeared. >>>> >>>> Perhaps you could forward it for me and see if that works. I don?t think that I am on some blacklist. >>>> >>>> Best, Alex. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Alex Thomas >>>> Sent: 12 February 2021 14:38 >>>> To: 'Tech ops' >>>> Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. >>>> >>>> >>>> We all have memories of rehearsal and live tv disasters and some of them can be recalled by the mention of a name. >>>> >>>> The mention of Barry Bucknell reminded me of a Bucknell from the early sixties in TC2. >>>> >>>> I was operating the wide angle easy shot whilst others more senior than me were snatching the close-ups. >>>> >>>> It was the days of treating a recording as live so that the 2? tape did not have to be cut physically for which there would be a charge of ?75. >>>> >>>> >>>> Barry was building an overhead locker which would appear in the shot behind him. >>>> >>>> All went well until the final shot and Barry?s pay-off. >>>> >>>> As he faced my camera and started his closing I saw the locker start to quiver and then fall down behind him. >>>> >>>> I must admit that I burst out laughing and then the director, the late Don Sayer, appeared at the top of the gallery stairs >>>> >>>> and shouted ?You have just cost me ?75 ?. >>>> >>>> I offered to pay the money from my own pocket if he would transmit the closing shot as recorded. >>>> >>>> He declined my generous offer, we rebuilt the locker and recorded a new closing. >>>> >>>> Alex Thomas. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Feb 15 07:49:27 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 13:49:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> Something I have used to repair or rebuild small plastic parts is a combination of Super Glue and Baking Soda. Two things that you may already have. I have found it very effective. Have a look here for some examples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1meoZaHYZo Doug -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 11:47 PM To: , ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic I am really impressed with this new product! It was advertised in one of the many shopping magazines we get every week. Basically, it is a clear syrupy liquid which looks like the usual clear Bostic glue but it isn't a glue. Once applied, via a very narrow nozzle, you then shine the supplied UV light on it for 4-8 seconds and it sets rock hard! And I mean hard! I have just repaired my wife's power cable to her laptop because the cable split just outside the right-angled plug and I could foresee great problems in mending it! I coated it in Bondic and hardened it and it is just so solid it should last forever! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Feb 15 08:02:23 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:02:23 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> Message-ID: <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it opened every time I used my electric drill. Doug From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 15 08:09:02 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:09:02 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> Message-ID: <8AF0F2F3A42B419D8478171FF3F4A14C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Marketed as ?Yankee? screwdrivers as I remember Alan. Much favoured in TV studios for scenery construction, very skilfully used ? often at full arm above head stretch. Dave Newbitt From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. Alan Taylor On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:34, Graeme Wall wrote: ?I?m too young to have worked on the shows but I remember my father, a keen amateur carpenter, always referred to his ?pump-action? screw driver as a Barry Bucknall. Graeme Wall On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? I hope Barry used his catchphrase ?That is NOT how you do it!? I never liked his nickname ? Bodger Bucknell. Bodging is the skilled craft of making traditional chairs, but I would have no issues with people calling him Botcher Bucknell. Incidentally if anybody has any memories or tales of working on the Bucknell?s House OBs, I would very much like to hear about them, either on here or privately. It?s high on the list of topics which I would like to include in the book, but very little information has survived, however some who worked on it must still be with us. Alan Taylor On 15 Feb 2021, at 12:00, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: ? Begin forwarded message: From: "Alex Thomas" Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. Date: 14 February 2021 at 23:55:42 GMT To: "'Albert Barber'" Albert, I have sent this to Bernie?s site but it hasn?t appeared. Perhaps you could forward it for me and see if that works. I don?t think that I am on some blacklist. Best, Alex. From: Alex Thomas Sent: 12 February 2021 14:38 To: 'Tech ops' Subject: FW: Memories of 1960s Television. We all have memories of rehearsal and live tv disasters and some of them can be recalled by the mention of a name. The mention of Barry Bucknell reminded me of a Bucknell from the early sixties in TC2. I was operating the wide angle easy shot whilst others more senior than me were snatching the close-ups. It was the days of treating a recording as live so that the 2? tape did not have to be cut physically for which there would be a charge of ?75. Barry was building an overhead locker which would appear in the shot behind him. All went well until the final shot and Barry?s pay-off. As he faced my camera and started his closing I saw the locker start to quiver and then fall down behind him. I must admit that I burst out laughing and then the director, the late Don Sayer, appeared at the top of the gallery stairs and shouted ?You have just cost me ?75 ?. I offered to pay the money from my own pocket if he would transmit the closing shot as recorded. He declined my generous offer, we rebuilt the locker and recorded a new closing. Alex Thomas. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Mon Feb 15 08:33:03 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 14:33:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> Message-ID: <66BE2B79-9350-41E4-AE6E-414875753180@icloud.com> Wasn?t it ?Squire? Hill who built himself an automatic garage opener using a light sensitive solenoid with the idea of flashing his headlights to gain entry? Only trouble was that at certain times of the year when the sun reflected off neighbours windows it would trigger the door to open and close?.. Pretty sure I was working with him one day when he got the call and head to head home to sort it out. Graham Maunder > On 15 Feb 2021, at 14:02, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > > I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it opened every time I used my electric drill. > > Doug > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <> > Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. > > Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. > > My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. > > After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. > > He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. > > Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. > > Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. > > Alan Taylor > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Mon Feb 15 09:02:51 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:02:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic In-Reply-To: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> References: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> Message-ID: <78a32fbe-7542-e76b-c3e7-b0a82bef00cb@sky.com> Interesting. I think that is what my dentist was using when I had to have three fillings on my visit at the end of last year. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 15 09:07:24 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:07:24 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com><76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> Message-ID: <045B8B0C879A4691AE27ED02BAF4FC73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> At the risk of getting up everyone?s nose by banging on about it yet again, this thread really is pointing up significantly the number of contributions it is all too easy to miss. As I write there have been 7 posts under this topic heading (apart from my own) of which just 4 have come to my inbox. I did not receive the contributions from Graeme Wall, David Denness or Graham Maunder, a fact I was alerted to by seeing Graeme?s piece being included in Alan?s second message and subsequently checking the archive. Last time I mentioned a missed message 5 colleagues reported the same omission. Might it be helpful to ascertain just how many are affected this time? Dave Newbitt. From: Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 2:02 PM To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it opened every time I used my electric drill. Doug From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. Alan Taylor -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 09:30:22 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 15:30:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic In-Reply-To: <78a32fbe-7542-e76b-c3e7-b0a82bef00cb@sky.com> References: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> <78a32fbe-7542-e76b-c3e7-b0a82bef00cb@sky.com> Message-ID: <7730ab4b-1b7f-b127-752d-f2ec3b609a43@btinternet.com> Yes, I've had dental repair work done when they used UV light to harden the filling. If you 'Google' Bondic you will find that there are several similar UV hardened products on the market which I never knew about! Cheers, Dave On 15/02/2021 15:02, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > Interesting. I think that is what my dentist was using when I had to > have three fillings on my visit at the end of last year. > > Dave Buckley > From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Feb 15 10:01:40 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:01:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <045B8B0C879A4691AE27ED02BAF4FC73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> <045B8B0C879A4691AE27ED02BAF4FC73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <184fe562-e573-3347-97d8-0b611265bc08@imixmics.co.uk> Same missing posts as Dave. John Nottage On 15/02/2021 15:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > At the risk of getting up everyone?s nose by banging on about it yet > again, this thread really is pointing up significantly the number of > contributions it is all too easy to miss. As I write there have been 7 > posts under this topic heading (apart from my own) of which just 4 have > come to my inbox. I did not receive the contributions from Graeme Wall, > David Denness or Graham Maunder, a fact I was alerted to by seeing > Graeme?s piece being included in Alan?s second message and subsequently > checking the archive. > Last time I mentioned a missed message 5 colleagues reported the same > omission. Might it be helpful to ascertain just how many are affected > this time? > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2021 2:02 PM > *To:* Alan Taylor > *Cc:* Tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. > I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a > spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio > transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the > garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open > when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it > opened every time I used my electric drill. > Doug > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. > Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. > It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to > return. > My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the > wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look > modern, just as BB advised. > After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as > a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry > Bucknell design.? Transportation was easy because it could be carried on > the roof rack of a family car. > He later decided to build an automatic garage door.? The thing I > remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of > threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and > then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and > a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis > of his door opener.? A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of > limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job.? The > final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for > it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished > not having to get out of his car in bad weather. > Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year > sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open > and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and > fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. > Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those > circumstances. > Alan Taylor > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 10:06:40 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:06:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic In-Reply-To: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> References: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> Message-ID: <6f9616cf-d3d0-6a18-5082-551e13476890@btinternet.com> Thanks Doug, it's amazing what you can learn from YouTube videos! Who on earth would have ever thought of using two ordinary items like that to repair things? Cheers, Dave On 15/02/2021 13:49, Puddifoot(Doug) wrote: > Something I have used to repair or rebuild small plastic parts is a > combination of Super Glue and Baking Soda. Two things that you may > already have. I have found it very effective. Have a look here for > some examples. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1meoZaHYZo > > Doug > > > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2021 11:47 PM > To: , ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic > > I am really impressed with this new product! It was advertised in one of > the many shopping magazines we get every week. Basically, it is a clear > syrupy liquid which looks like the usual clear Bostic glue but it isn't > a glue. Once applied, via a very narrow nozzle, you then shine the > supplied UV light on it for 4-8 seconds and it sets rock hard! And I > mean hard! I have just repaired my wife's power cable to her laptop > because the cable split just outside the right-angled plug and I could > foresee great problems in mending it! I coated it in Bondic and hardened > it and it is just so solid it should last forever! Cheers, Dave > > From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Feb 15 10:14:25 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:14:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic In-Reply-To: <78a32fbe-7542-e76b-c3e7-b0a82bef00cb@sky.com> References: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> <78a32fbe-7542-e76b-c3e7-b0a82bef00cb@sky.com> Message-ID: <9c10897b-d803-f0eb-d658-3c481650cbdc@zero51.force9.co.uk> If you catch the ad for Bondic, perhaps it's a you tube?, you'll see it was developed and marketed as a diy glue by a dentist and an engineering friend. They can be seen making vertical sticks of it by exposing it to uv as it leaves the tube.? It was already available as a a medical dental glue and he saw the wider applications. In a similar way Super Glue came to fame sticking Americans back together in Vietnam although there's more to it than that, if you google it. It looks like a brilliant idea to me, because I hate "sticky" Peter Fox On 15/02/2021 15:02, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > Interesting. I think that is what my dentist was using when I had to > have three fillings on my visit at the end of last year. > > Dave Buckley > From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 15 10:49:07 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 16:49:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New product - Bondic In-Reply-To: <6f9616cf-d3d0-6a18-5082-551e13476890@btinternet.com> References: <5FBB4FF63AA149FEAB5571EF13DD117D@NewOffice> <6f9616cf-d3d0-6a18-5082-551e13476890@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <602aa603.1c69fb81.854bc.bf13@mx.google.com> Sounds a useful glue! I?ve seen ads for Sugru* which seems rather useful, too, and I concur with dentists using a fixative which is cured by a burst of UV light. The dental assistant always holds an orange filter in front of the patient?s eyes, while this goes on. *Sugru, also known as Formerol, is a patented multi-purpose, non-slumping brand of silicone rubber that resembles modelling clay. It is available in several colours and upon exposure to air, cures to a rubber-like texture. My father was an excellent carpenter ? and although he had an engineering apprenticeship with Thorneycroft, he taught me how to use and look after tools. He made for my Mum a beautiful miniature chest of drawers in which to keep her jewellery. I have it to this day. (see pic). Dad also built a small cabin cruiser in the garage of our Surrey house ? from a kit, but modified the cabin superstructure as he didn?t like the supplied plan. Towed down to the Isle of Wight at holiday time for mackerel fishing in the Solent. 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B On 15/02/2021 15:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > At the risk of getting up everyone?s nose by banging on about it yet > again, this thread really is pointing up significantly the number of > contributions it is all too easy to miss. As I write there have been 7 > posts under this topic heading (apart from my own) of which just 4 > have come to my inbox. I did not receive the contributions from Graeme > Wall, David Denness or Graham Maunder, a fact I was alerted to by > seeing Graeme?s piece being included in Alan?s second message and > subsequently checking the archive. > Last time I mentioned a missed message 5 colleagues reported the same > omission. Might it be helpful to ascertain just how many are affected > this time? > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2021 2:02 PM > *To:* Alan Taylor > *Cc:* Tech1 > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. > I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a > spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple > radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of > the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door > open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that > it opened every time I used my electric drill. > Doug > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. > Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills > appeared.? It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, > probably never to return. > My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the > wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look > modern, just as BB advised. > After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well > as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular > Barry Bucknell design.? Transportation was easy because it could be > carried on the roof rack of a family car. > He later decided to build an automatic garage door.? The thing I > remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of > threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and > then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder > and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the > basis of his door opener.? A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a > couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the > job.? The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote > control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well > and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. > Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year > sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door > open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood > and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. > Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those > circumstances. > Alan Taylor > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com><76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com><5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice><045B8B0C879A4691AE27ED02BAF4FC73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <2A9B2459970B407C909C1B42B33F78DC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> As I?m sure you realise Bernie I have no knowledge or understanding of how these things work ? so much so that when you have given some descriptive analysis of the process in the past I have gleaned little from it. I report what I have experienced, not in a spirit of complaint or accusation, but rather to try to give you and others of far greater grasp than I possess some idea of just how widespread the problem is. If it should transpire that it is really significant then I hope I may be forgiven for concluding that there would be a lot of disappointment amongst the membership. I have in the past joined with others in expressing appreciation and gratitude for what you do, so if you have taken my comments in any way as a criticism then I can only say that I regret that. Dave Newbitt. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 5:07 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. More to the point Dave, what do you plan to do about it? B On 15/02/2021 15:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: At the risk of getting up everyone?s nose by banging on about it yet again, this thread really is pointing up significantly the number of contributions it is all too easy to miss. As I write there have been 7 posts under this topic heading (apart from my own) of which just 4 have come to my inbox. I did not receive the contributions from Graeme Wall, David Denness or Graham Maunder, a fact I was alerted to by seeing Graeme?s piece being included in Alan?s second message and subsequently checking the archive. Last time I mentioned a missed message 5 colleagues reported the same omission. Might it be helpful to ascertain just how many are affected this time? Dave Newbitt. From: Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 2:02 PM To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it opened every time I used my electric drill. Doug From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. Alan Taylor ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Feb 15 15:16:14 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 21:16:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> <045B8B0C879A4691AE27ED02BAF4FC73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <-MC9cwsUSCM9SSO_S4Ppjz2lDM86mLJ6Pk-DcuI4axMrIN6oTdQnYpw_uwutxQJRJdz9dKI1O3jNLqzP_g9HUDE36Bbq7U8N6h3jYM3U-cg=@protonmail.com> Same here, missed those posts. What am I going to do. Nothing, I can only assume that either some contributors have erroneously only pressed the 'reply' as opposed to 'reply to all', or their email systems work differently to others, or the Chinese have already hacked our systems! Thanks for bearing with us Bernie, life would be a lot duller without these posts, and you say you read them all? Surely when you see TeaTe.................thrrrrrrrp - don't blame you! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 15 February 2021 17:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > More to the point Dave, what do you plan to do about it? > > B > > On 15/02/2021 15:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > >> At the risk of getting up everyone?s nose by banging on about it yet again, this thread really is pointing up significantly the number of contributions it is all too easy to miss. As I write there have been 7 posts under this topic heading (apart from my own) of which just 4 have come to my inbox. I did not receive the contributions from Graeme Wall, David Denness or Graham Maunder, a fact I was alerted to by seeing Graeme?s piece being included in Alan?s second message and subsequently checking the archive. >> >> Last time I mentioned a missed message 5 colleagues reported the same omission. Might it be helpful to ascertain just how many are affected this time? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 2:02 PM >> To: Alan Taylor >> Cc: Tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. >> >> I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it opened every time I used my electric drill. >> >> Doug >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. >> >> Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. >> >> My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. >> >> After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. >> >> He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. >> >> Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. >> >> Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> [Avast logo](https://www.avast.com/antivirus) >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> [www.avast.com](https://www.avast.com/antivirus) >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 16:37:55 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 22:37:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] History, 1957 style Message-ID: <33709346-2490-c15c-3c2a-50391a7d76a2@btinternet.com> Can you believe that these four brave students volunteered to staff the bar at the Leeds Uni. Christmas Ball, in the Students Union, depriving themselves of the chance of meeting the lovely ladies of the Leeds Catering College. Their only reward was that they could have one sample of every drink on sale. Such selfless behaviour was typical in those days. The next morning after this photograph was taken they all had a difficult Metallurgy exam and having not had time to change clothes they had to attend as you see them in the photo! The worst thing was that they all failed the exam! How ironic, having given up their future career prospects for their public service duties. Shame on you , Leeds University! Cheers, hic, Dave! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bar men 1957.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 423216 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Feb 15 16:43:01 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 22:43:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] History, 1957 style In-Reply-To: <33709346-2490-c15c-3c2a-50391a7d76a2@btinternet.com> References: <33709346-2490-c15c-3c2a-50391a7d76a2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Dave ~ I?d believe anything you told me! Mike G > On 15 Feb 2021, at 22:37, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Can you believe that these four brave students volunteered to staff the bar at the Leeds Uni. Christmas Ball, in the Students Union, depriving themselves of the chance of meeting the lovely ladies of the Leeds Catering College. Their only reward was that they could have one sample of every drink on sale. Such selfless behaviour was typical in those days. The next morning after this photograph was taken they all had a difficult Metallurgy exam and having not had time to change clothes they had to attend as you see them in the photo! The worst thing was that they all failed the exam! How ironic, having given up their future career prospects for their public service duties. Shame on you , Leeds University! Cheers, hic, Dave! > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 16:46:10 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 22:46:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] History, 1957 style In-Reply-To: References: <33709346-2490-c15c-3c2a-50391a7d76a2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <90bad9de-0ba2-9e2e-afe8-fe1831a80804@btinternet.com> Quite, who needs metallurgy anyway! I wanted to study electronics and had only ONE lesson per week on it, the rest was maths, physics, applied economics, metallurgy, civil engineering, mechanical engineering, and so on! Cheers, Dave On 15/02/2021 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Dave ~ I?d believe anything you told me! > > Mike G > > >> On 15 Feb 2021, at 22:37, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Can you believe that these four brave students volunteered to staff the bar at the Leeds Uni. Christmas Ball, in the Students Union, depriving themselves of the chance of meeting the lovely ladies of the Leeds Catering College. Their only reward was that they could have one sample of every drink on sale. Such selfless behaviour was typical in those days. The next morning after this photograph was taken they all had a difficult Metallurgy exam and having not had time to change clothes they had to attend as you see them in the photo! The worst thing was that they all failed the exam! How ironic, having given up their future career prospects for their public service duties. Shame on you , Leeds University! Cheers, hic, Dave! >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 17:10:08 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 23:10:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing Power Point Slide Show Message-ID: <15cf926a-1ebe-1ccc-ae49-09e878215a98@btinternet.com> Such a shame that their government is how it is! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FestivalGlaceNeige(1)1.pps Type: application/octet-stream Size: 6064640 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Feb 15 17:18:59 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 23:18:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <-MC9cwsUSCM9SSO_S4Ppjz2lDM86mLJ6Pk-DcuI4axMrIN6oTdQnYpw_uwutxQJRJdz9dKI1O3jNLqzP_g9HUDE36Bbq7U8N6h3jYM3U-cg=@protonmail.com> References: <-MC9cwsUSCM9SSO_S4Ppjz2lDM86mLJ6Pk-DcuI4axMrIN6oTdQnYpw_uwutxQJRJdz9dKI1O3jNLqzP_g9HUDE36Bbq7U8N6h3jYM3U-cg=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: On the subject of door openers I recall a Squire Hills story, where he had made an optical sensor to open his garage door. It just required a flash of his headlamps to operate it in either direction. Very pleased with a highly successful morning?s work he later became aware that the door had opened and closed by itself. And then again. And again... He went out to sort it out, of course, and realised that the afternoon sun was bouncing off the windows of every car that passed by. Peter Fox On 15 Feb 2021, at 21:17, techtone via Tech1 wrote: ? Same here, missed those posts. What am I going to do. Nothing, I can only assume that either some contributors have erroneously only pressed the 'reply' as opposed to 'reply to all', or their email systems work differently to others, or the Chinese have already hacked our systems! Thanks for bearing with us Bernie, life would be a lot duller without these posts, and you say you read them all? Surely when you see TeaTe.................thrrrrrrrp - don't blame you! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 15 February 2021 17:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > More to the point Dave, what do you plan to do about it? > > B > > > > On 15/02/2021 15:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> At the risk of getting up everyone?s nose by banging on about it yet again, this thread really is pointing up significantly the number of contributions it is all too easy to miss. As I write there have been 7 posts under this topic heading (apart from my own) of which just 4 have come to my inbox. I did not receive the contributions from Graeme Wall, David Denness or Graham Maunder, a fact I was alerted to by seeing Graeme?s piece being included in Alan?s second message and subsequently checking the archive. >> >> Last time I mentioned a missed message 5 colleagues reported the same omission. Might it be helpful to ascertain just how many are affected this time? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 2:02 PM >> To: Alan Taylor >> Cc: Tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. >> >> I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it opened every time I used my electric drill. >> >> Doug >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. >> >> Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. >> >> My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. >> >> After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. >> >> He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. >> >> Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. >> >> Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 17:18:10 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 23:18:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [Tech1) Automatic garage doors In-Reply-To: <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> <5D9D2D17076D4CFF98B317C0EE837AF1@NewOffice> Message-ID: <81be2988-fcda-addf-1b6b-c8c2533dc293@btinternet.com> A well known senior cameraman at TVC, 'Squire' Hills, built a system which used his modulated headlights! Unfortunately, any time a car went past his house at a certain speed the garage doors would operate! Cheers, Dave On 15/02/2021 14:02, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a > spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple > radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of > the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door > open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that > it opened every time I used my electric drill. > Doug > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. > Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills > appeared.? It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, > probably never to return. > My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the > wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look > modern, just as BB advised. > After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well > as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular > Barry Bucknell design.? Transportation was easy because it could be > carried on the roof rack of a family car. > He later decided to build an automatic garage door.? The thing I > remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of > threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and > then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder > and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the > basis of his door opener.? A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a > couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the > job.? The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote > control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well > and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. > Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year > sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door > open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood > and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. > Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those > circumstances. > Alan Taylor > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 15 17:26:51 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 23:26:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] History, 1957 style In-Reply-To: <90bad9de-0ba2-9e2e-afe8-fe1831a80804@btinternet.com> References: <33709346-2490-c15c-3c2a-50391a7d76a2@btinternet.com> , <90bad9de-0ba2-9e2e-afe8-fe1831a80804@btinternet.com> Message-ID: You should have gone to Art School, Dave, as I did. Plenty of opportunity to be very naughty with lovely ladies and drink a lot! Happy days, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 15 Feb 2021, at 22:48, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ?Quite, who needs metallurgy anyway! I wanted to study electronics and had only ONE lesson per week on it, the rest was maths, physics, applied economics, metallurgy, civil engineering, mechanical engineering, and so on! Cheers, Dave On 15/02/2021 22:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Dave ~ I?d believe anything you told me! Mike G On 15 Feb 2021, at 22:37, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Can you believe that these four brave students volunteered to staff the bar at the Leeds Uni. Christmas Ball, in the Students Union, depriving themselves of the chance of meeting the lovely ladies of the Leeds Catering College. Their only reward was that they could have one sample of every drink on sale. Such selfless behaviour was typical in those days. The next morning after this photograph was taken they all had a difficult Metallurgy exam and having not had time to change clothes they had to attend as you see them in the photo! The worst thing was that they all failed the exam! How ironic, having given up their future career prospects for their public service duties. Shame on you , Leeds University! Cheers, hic, Dave! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Feb 15 17:31:50 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2021 23:31:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing Power Point Slide Show In-Reply-To: <15cf926a-1ebe-1ccc-ae49-09e878215a98@btinternet.com> References: <15cf926a-1ebe-1ccc-ae49-09e878215a98@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6EBB8B83CDE4452082A8C5B103023E7B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Staggering to think that is possible. As with all such major undertakings someone has to mastermind it. Whoever they are, they are a species apart. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 11:10 PM To: , ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Amazing Power Point Slide Show Such a shame that their government is how it is! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Feb 15 18:58:19 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 00:58:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: <8AF0F2F3A42B419D8478171FF3F4A14C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> <8AF0F2F3A42B419D8478171FF3F4A14C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <58ff6f0c62davesound@btinternet.com> In article <8AF0F2F3A42B419D8478171FF3F4A14C at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Marketed as ?Yankee? screwdrivers as I remember Alan. Much favoured in > TV studios for scenery construction, very skilfully used ? often at full > arm above head stretch. Bit of trivia - although not for those affected. Changing from slotted to Pozidriv screws with Yankee screwdrivers cut down the number of visits to the surgery markedly. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Tue Feb 16 02:06:42 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 08:06:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06FB11C4-67D0-4CA1-8A0D-ED54B0916D65@icloud.com> Another vanished reply?? I posted this yesterday Peter so glad that it wasn?t something I had dreamt!! I remember being with ?Squire? the day he had to head back home! Stay safe Graham Maunder Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Feb 2021, at 23:19, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > ?On the subject of door openers I recall a Squire Hills story, where he had made an optical sensor to open his garage door. It just required a flash of his headlamps to operate it in either direction. Very pleased with a highly successful morning?s work he later became aware that the door had opened and closed by itself. And then again. And again... He went out to sort it out, of course, and realised that the afternoon sun was bouncing off the windows of every car that passed by. > > Peter Fox > > On 15 Feb 2021, at 21:17, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Same here, missed those posts. What am I going to do. Nothing, I can only assume that either some contributors have erroneously only pressed the 'reply' as opposed to 'reply to all', or their email systems work differently to others, or the Chinese have already hacked our systems! > > Thanks for bearing with us Bernie, life would be a lot duller without these posts, and you say you read them all? Surely when you see TeaTe.................thrrrrrrrp - don't blame you! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Monday, 15 February 2021 17:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > >> More to the point Dave, what do you plan to do about it? >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 15/02/2021 15:07, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> At the risk of getting up everyone?s nose by banging on about it yet again, this thread really is pointing up significantly the number of contributions it is all too easy to miss. As I write there have been 7 posts under this topic heading (apart from my own) of which just 4 have come to my inbox. I did not receive the contributions from Graeme Wall, David Denness or Graham Maunder, a fact I was alerted to by seeing Graeme?s piece being included in Alan?s second message and subsequently checking the archive. >>> >>> Last time I mentioned a missed message 5 colleagues reported the same omission. Might it be helpful to ascertain just how many are affected this time? >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 2:02 PM >>> To: Alan Taylor >>> Cc: Tech1 >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. >>> >>> I once built a device to remotely open my garage door. The door had a spring to open it when a solenoid released a catch. I had a simple radio transmitter I carried in the car, and a receiver on the wall of the garage. Worked every time. However I would randomly find the door open when I had not used the transmitter. I eventually discovered that it opened every time I used my electric drill. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2021 1:02 PM >>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Memories of 1960s Television. >>> >>> Haven?t seen one of those in the years since cordless drills appeared. It?s another once ubiquitous gadget which has gone, probably never to return. >>> >>> My dad was also a keen DIYer and I remember our old house having the wooden panelled doors covered over with hardboard to make them look modern, just as BB advised. >>> >>> After I bought my first house, my neighbour was a keen sailor as well as a DIY fan. He had built a Mirror dinghy, which was a very popular Barry Bucknell design. Transportation was easy because it could be carried on the roof rack of a family car. >>> >>> He later decided to build an automatic garage door. The thing I remember about it was that he had bought several three foot lengths of threaded rod, used a nut to align the threads, wound the nut clear and then welded the threaded rods together. A bit of work with a grinder and a thread tapper ended up with a lead screw long enough to be the basis of his door opener. A fairly hefty motor, some bearings, a couple of limit switches and some elementary control gear finished the job. The final touch came as an autumn project when he built a remote control for it, using ultrasonic transducers. It worked really well and he relished not having to get out of his car in bad weather. >>> >>> Then in the spring, he drove home after his first outing of the year sailing his Mirror dinghy, reached out of his widow to zap the door open and promptly drove in, leaving a collection of splintered plywood and fibreglass wedged on the top of his garage door. >>> >>> Barry Bucknell had a catch phrase which he might have used in those circumstances. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <05944A46-34B3-435F-A49A-E2EF40D0705C@icloud.com> References: , <05944A46-34B3-435F-A49A-E2EF40D0705C@icloud.com> Message-ID: True! Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 16 Feb 2021, at 12:59, Graeme Wall wrote: > > ?Would depend on the amount of the contents consumed before trying. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 16 Feb 2021, at 12:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> A winebox with partitions - all out of one piece of cardboard. Quite clever, I thought. >> Question is, am I clever enough to put it back together? (You?ll never know!) >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Feb 16 08:28:22 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 14:28:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pat flack (anag.) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <602bd687.1c69fb81.afd0.c570@mx.google.com> Aha! The Origami of Oenology! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 16 February 2021 12:58 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Pat flack (anag.) A winebox with partitions - all out of one piece of cardboard. Quite clever, I thought. Question is, am I clever enough to put it back together? (You?ll never know!) Cheers, Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 536761 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Feb 16 14:47:43 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:47:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test Message-ID: That arrived Doug From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 14:54:38 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 20:54:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59FE197F-AE83-4C0D-A783-B0461BD058C2@gmail.com> I got it too, Geoff > On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:48, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > ?That arrived > Doug > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 16 15:47:44 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 21:47:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Stanley 'Yankee' screw drivers In-Reply-To: <58ff6f0c62davesound@btinternet.com> References: <3B358224-CE98-45BF-AAD1-69F50E2A9F08@icloud.com> <76E986C7-F806-4570-96CB-5547F8DD77B6@me.com> <8AF0F2F3A42B419D8478171FF3F4A14C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58ff6f0c62davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <31c97d03-0c0f-7454-6a3d-f8f1eed0cf24@btinternet.com> I used mine last week, screwing my boiler case back on, it's the only tool that I have that will do the job so easily! Cheers, Dave On 16/02/2021 00:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <8AF0F2F3A42B419D8478171FF3F4A14C at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, > David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Marketed as ?Yankee? screwdrivers as I remember Alan. Much favoured in >> TV studios for scenery construction, very skilfully used ? often at full >> arm above head stretch. > Bit of trivia - although not for those affected. Changing from slotted to > Pozidriv screws with Yankee screwdrivers cut down the number of visits to > the surgery markedly. > From waresound at msn.com Tue Feb 16 15:58:26 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 21:58:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: <59FE197F-AE83-4C0D-A783-B0461BD058C2@gmail.com> References: , <59FE197F-AE83-4C0D-A783-B0461BD058C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: If it?s of any help, I do this mail list through my MSN mail server, and due to the huge amount of spam that MSN mail attracts, only onto my iPad, not to my Windows 10 desk or laptop computers. I always seem to get everyone?s postings OK, and usually get Bernie?s twice. With MSN I?m able to white-list tech1 and blacklist pretty much everything else as spam/junk. Curiously though, anyone on Bernie?s forum gets through the blacklist if they message me direct and not via tech1. When I post messages to this list, I only send to tech1 at tech-ops.xx.xx (which iOS remembers from previous sendings) - never via ?reply?, or ?reply to all?. Maybe that?s just an Apple thing, but it seems to work. I suppose, if you use ?reply? you need to be sure where your reply is going! Cheers, and keep ?em coming... Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:54, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I got it too, > Geoff > >> On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:48, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?That arrived >> Doug >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 16:04:50 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:04:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: References: <59FE197F-AE83-4C0D-A783-B0461BD058C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Interesting - I got Doug's and Nick's, but Geoff only second hand. Strange stuff. Maybe I should reload Dada. B On 16/02/2021 21:58, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > If it?s of any help, I do this mail list through my MSN mail server, and due to the huge amount of spam that MSN mail attracts, only onto my iPad, not to my Windows 10 desk or laptop computers. I always seem to get everyone?s postings OK, and usually get Bernie?s twice. With MSN I?m able to white-list tech1 and blacklist pretty much everything else as spam/junk. Curiously though, anyone on Bernie?s forum gets through the blacklist if they message me direct and not via tech1. > When I post messages to this list, I only send to tech1 at tech-ops.xx.xx (which iOS remembers from previous sendings) - never via ?reply?, or ?reply to all?. Maybe that?s just an Apple thing, but it seems to work. I suppose, if you use ?reply? you need to be sure where your reply is going! > Cheers, and keep ?em coming... > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:54, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I got it too, >> Geoff >> >>> On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:48, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?That arrived >>> Doug >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Tue Feb 16 16:50:12 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 22:50:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test Message-ID: <5l8wjypgln4aflvpfshho5ab.1613515812548@email.android.com> I saw the reply from Geoff because he Cc'd me, but I did not get the from Tech1 Doug From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Feb 16 17:33:17 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:33:17 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: <2a04f3f7-3e01-cac8-e42a-f670fdafc094@gmail.com> References: <2a04f3f7-3e01-cac8-e42a-f670fdafc094@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AA18EFE71364242AF581DCB8CEBF62D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Loud & clear, Bernie. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 8:19 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] test test -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:42:05 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:42:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: <5l8wjypgln4aflvpfshho5ab.1613515812548@email.android.com> References: <5l8wjypgln4aflvpfshho5ab.1613515812548@email.android.com> Message-ID: <6E2C07E2-DC73-40CD-8B82-9A5BBC1B2D94@gmail.com> I used Doug?s acknowledgment to Bernie to do a Reply All which may have sent it on a different journey than if I?d done it as a Reply All to Bernie?s message. If I can, I?ll do that now, Geoff > On 16 Feb 2021, at 22:50, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I saw the reply from Geoff because he Cc'd me, but I did not get the from Tech1 > > Doug > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 17:45:12 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2021 23:45:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: <2a04f3f7-3e01-cac8-e42a-f670fdafc094@gmail.com> References: <2a04f3f7-3e01-cac8-e42a-f670fdafc094@gmail.com> Message-ID: ...and here it is direct to Tech1, copied to Bernie, to see who gets it and how. The Why is beyond me, Geoff > On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? test -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 16 18:15:43 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 00:15:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meal deals Message-ID: I went shopping today for the weekly top-up of essentials! Last week, Asda were selling a Valentine's Day Meal Deal for ? 15 which included starters for 2, a Main course, 2 side dishes and dessert for two plus a drink , either soft , beer, or wines various. Today they had still got some components left so I got Breaded Brie with dip instead of the Tempura King Prawns and sweet chilli dip, for the main course I got Scallops and King Prawns en Croute, instead of Slow Cooked Lamb Shanks with mint sauce, side dishes of Dauphinoise potatoes and Cauliflower Cheese as before, and two Italian Caramel Panna Cottas in glass containers, plus a bottle of Saint-C?cile C. de R. Villages at a mere 14.5% ! All for ?15. Asda have also re-started their ?10 meal deal with only main, side, dessert and drink similar to Tesco's offering. Saves going out to a restaurant, all done in the oven in less than an hour, and no cover charge! Cheers, hic, Dave From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Feb 16 18:25:57 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 00:25:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: <2a04f3f7-3e01-cac8-e42a-f670fdafc094@gmail.com> References: <2a04f3f7-3e01-cac8-e42a-f670fdafc094@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58ffefeb46davesound@btinternet.com> In article <2a04f3f7-3e01-cac8-e42a-f670fdafc094 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > test It's just bound to work OK for you, Bernie. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Feb 16 18:47:13 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 00:47:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Impossibilities Message-ID: <4f1f7904-1fba-d40c-c465-e9979db94a75@btinternet.com> No one has mentioned the obvious one! That is to put a story on here without it being topped! Cheers, Dave From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 20:45:25 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 02:45:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: References: <59FE197F-AE83-4C0D-A783-B0461BD058C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 22:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Interesting - I got Doug's and Nick's, but Geoff only second hand. > I got the same ? no sign of anything directly from Geoff ? not even in Spam. I'm using a MacBook Pro, running High Sierra (OS 10.13.6), with tech-ops mail directed to Gmail's Forums folder. To perhaps remove some, but not all, confusion, please note that some emails to this list have had their subject changed without the customary message "(Was re: xxx)." No names, no pack drill. This sometimes made me think I had not received the original message, whereas I later found I had received it under a different heading. KW > On 16/02/2021 21:58, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > If it?s of any help, I do this mail list through my MSN mail server, and due to the huge amount of spam that MSN mail attracts, only onto my iPad, not to my Windows 10 desk or laptop computers. I always seem to get everyone?s postings OK, and usually get Bernie?s twice. With MSN I?m able to white-list tech1 and blacklist pretty much everything else as spam/junk. Curiously though, anyone on Bernie?s forum gets through the blacklist if they message me direct and not via tech1. > When I post messages to this list, I only send to tech1 at tech-ops.xx.xx (which iOS remembers from previous sendings) - never via ?reply?, or ?reply to all?. Maybe that?s just an Apple thing, but it seems to work. I suppose, if you use ?reply? you need to be sure where your reply is going! > Cheers, and keep ?em coming... > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:54, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I got it too, > Geoff > > > On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:48, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > ?That arrived > Doug > -- > Tech1 mailing list > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Feb 17 01:25:18 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 07:25:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meal deals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> Last year at this time, I went to my local M&S where they were selling off the Valentines Day specials. I bought four Coquille St Jacques for 19p each instead of the previous price of several pounds each. They provided a truly excellent lunch for the two of us. However, the aspect of this reply which might be of interest to some is that when I tried to reply, it came up with Tech Ops in the reply field and nobody else. Don?t know if it?s because Bernie has tweaked something, or if Dave sent his message in a different way. This one is being sent to the group and nobody else, the only other specified recipient is a Bcc to myself, which automatically happens on all my emails. Alan Taylor PS I got Bernie?s test yesterday and if anybody wants to know which other replies I got, feel free to ask privately. PPS ...... Bloody amateurs. Any sound guy could tell you that the correct expression is Testing 1,2 ? 1,2 ?1,2 > On 17 Feb 2021, at 00:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I went shopping today for the weekly top-up of essentials! Last week, Asda were selling a Valentine's Day Meal Deal for ? 15 which included starters for 2, a Main course, 2 side dishes and dessert for two plus a drink , either soft , beer, or wines various. Today they had still got some components left so I got Breaded Brie with dip instead of the Tempura King Prawns and sweet chilli dip, for the main course I got Scallops and King Prawns en Croute, instead of Slow Cooked Lamb Shanks with mint sauce, side dishes of Dauphinoise potatoes and Cauliflower Cheese as before, and two Italian Caramel Panna Cottas in glass containers, plus a bottle of Saint-C?cile C. de R. Villages at a mere 14.5% ! All for ?15. Asda have also re-started their ?10 meal deal with only main, side, dessert and drink similar to Tesco's offering. Saves going out to a restaurant, all done in the oven in less than an hour, and no cover charge! Cheers, hic, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Feb 17 02:19:34 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:19:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meal deals In-Reply-To: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> References: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> Message-ID: <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> The reply to yourself, Alan, shows in my inbox as CC rather than BCC, which I shouldn?t see. Mike G > On 17 Feb 2021, at 07:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Last year at this time, I went to my local M&S where they were selling off the Valentines Day specials. I bought four Coquille St Jacques for 19p each instead of the previous price of several pounds each. They provided a truly excellent lunch for the two of us. > > However, the aspect of this reply which might be of interest to some is that when I tried to reply, it came up with Tech Ops in the reply field and nobody else. Don?t know if it?s because Bernie has tweaked something, or if Dave sent his message in a different way. > > This one is being sent to the group and nobody else, the only other specified recipient is a Bcc to myself, which automatically happens on all my emails. > > Alan Taylor > > PS > I got Bernie?s test yesterday and if anybody wants to know which other replies I got, feel free to ask privately. > > PPS > ...... Bloody amateurs. Any sound guy could tell you that the correct expression is Testing 1,2 ? 1,2 ?1,2 > >> On 17 Feb 2021, at 00:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I went shopping today for the weekly top-up of essentials! Last week, Asda were selling a Valentine's Day Meal Deal for ? 15 which included starters for 2, a Main course, 2 side dishes and dessert for two plus a drink , either soft , beer, or wines various. Today they had still got some components left so I got Breaded Brie with dip instead of the Tempura King Prawns and sweet chilli dip, for the main course I got Scallops and King Prawns en Croute, instead of Slow Cooked Lamb Shanks with mint sauce, side dishes of Dauphinoise potatoes and Cauliflower Cheese as before, and two Italian Caramel Panna Cottas in glass containers, plus a bottle of Saint-C?cile C. de R. Villages at a mere 14.5% ! All for ?15. Asda have also re-started their ?10 meal deal with only main, side, dessert and drink similar to Tesco's offering. Saves going out to a restaurant, all done in the oven in less than an hour, and no cover charge! Cheers, hic, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Feb 17 02:38:38 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:38:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meal deals In-Reply-To: <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> References: <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> Message-ID: <5D7ED586-3B5E-416F-A58F-3A846CC8CEC5@me.com> Well spotted. I changed to Cc several months ago for one email and forgot to restore it to Bcc and think that I have now done so. I?m replying from my iPad. If I had used the Mac, it should have worked the way I expected. Replying to your email via the list involved changing the To field, but I didn?t need to do that with Dave?s original message in this thread. If I had simply pressed Reply, this time it would have gone solely to Mike. Getting a grip on my confusing new NAS seems a doddle compared to working out what?s happening with these emails. Didn?t people used to say that technology would make our lives easier? Alan Taylor > On 17 Feb 2021, at 08:19, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?The reply to yourself, Alan, shows in my inbox as CC rather than BCC, which I shouldn?t see. > > Mike G > >> On 17 Feb 2021, at 07:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Last year at this time, I went to my local M&S where they were selling off the Valentines Day specials. I bought four Coquille St Jacques for 19p each instead of the previous price of several pounds each. They provided a truly excellent lunch for the two of us. >> >> However, the aspect of this reply which might be of interest to some is that when I tried to reply, it came up with Tech Ops in the reply field and nobody else. Don?t know if it?s because Bernie has tweaked something, or if Dave sent his message in a different way. >> >> This one is being sent to the group and nobody else, the only other specified recipient is a Bcc to myself, which automatically happens on all my emails. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> PS >> I got Bernie?s test yesterday and if anybody wants to know which other replies I got, feel free to ask privately. >> >> PPS >> ...... Bloody amateurs. Any sound guy could tell you that the correct expression is Testing 1,2 ? 1,2 ?1,2 >> >>>> On 17 Feb 2021, at 00:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I went shopping today for the weekly top-up of essentials! Last week, Asda were selling a Valentine's Day Meal Deal for ? 15 which included starters for 2, a Main course, 2 side dishes and dessert for two plus a drink , either soft , beer, or wines various. Today they had still got some components left so I got Breaded Brie with dip instead of the Tempura King Prawns and sweet chilli dip, for the main course I got Scallops and King Prawns en Croute, instead of Slow Cooked Lamb Shanks with mint sauce, side dishes of Dauphinoise potatoes and Cauliflower Cheese as before, and two Italian Caramel Panna Cottas in glass containers, plus a bottle of Saint-C?cile C. de R. Villages at a mere 14.5% ! All for ?15. Asda have also re-started their ?10 meal deal with only main, side, dessert and drink similar to Tesco's offering. Saves going out to a restaurant, all done in the oven in less than an hour, and no cover charge! Cheers, hic, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Feb 17 02:56:52 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:56:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Meal deals) In-Reply-To: <5D7ED586-3B5E-416F-A58F-3A846CC8CEC5@me.com> References: <5D7ED586-3B5E-416F-A58F-3A846CC8CEC5@me.com> Message-ID: <1786447D-8130-4478-B0CC-4E26D2B30D3E@mac.com> Technology probably makes life more interesting, rather than easier, and encourages us all to do lots of unnecessary things, just because we can - or could, if things worked as intended! And just to dot and cross - I don?t BCC myself as I seem to get all my messages back as a subscriber. I don?t think that has ever failed. Mike G > On 17 Feb 2021, at 08:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Well spotted. I changed to Cc several months ago for one email and forgot to restore it to Bcc and think that I have now done so. I?m replying from my iPad. If I had used the Mac, it should have worked the way I expected. > > Replying to your email via the list involved changing the To field, but I didn?t need to do that with Dave?s original message in this thread. If I had simply pressed Reply, this time it would have gone solely to Mike. > > Getting a grip on my confusing new NAS seems a doddle compared to working out what?s happening with these emails. Didn?t people used to say that technology would make our lives easier? > > Alan Taylor > >> On 17 Feb 2021, at 08:19, Mike Giles wrote: >> >> ?The reply to yourself, Alan, shows in my inbox as CC rather than BCC, which I shouldn?t see. >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 17 Feb 2021, at 07:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Last year at this time, I went to my local M&S where they were selling off the Valentines Day specials. I bought four Coquille St Jacques for 19p each instead of the previous price of several pounds each. They provided a truly excellent lunch for the two of us. >>> >>> However, the aspect of this reply which might be of interest to some is that when I tried to reply, it came up with Tech Ops in the reply field and nobody else. Don?t know if it?s because Bernie has tweaked something, or if Dave sent his message in a different way. >>> >>> This one is being sent to the group and nobody else, the only other specified recipient is a Bcc to myself, which automatically happens on all my emails. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> PS >>> I got Bernie?s test yesterday and if anybody wants to know which other replies I got, feel free to ask privately. >>> >>> PPS >>> ...... Bloody amateurs. Any sound guy could tell you that the correct expression is Testing 1,2 ? 1,2 ?1,2 >>> >>>>> On 17 Feb 2021, at 00:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I went shopping today for the weekly top-up of essentials! Last week, Asda were selling a Valentine's Day Meal Deal for ? 15 which included starters for 2, a Main course, 2 side dishes and dessert for two plus a drink , either soft , beer, or wines various. Today they had still got some components left so I got Breaded Brie with dip instead of the Tempura King Prawns and sweet chilli dip, for the main course I got Scallops and King Prawns en Croute, instead of Slow Cooked Lamb Shanks with mint sauce, side dishes of Dauphinoise potatoes and Cauliflower Cheese as before, and two Italian Caramel Panna Cottas in glass containers, plus a bottle of Saint-C?cile C. de R. Villages at a mere 14.5% ! All for ?15. Asda have also re-started their ?10 meal deal with only main, side, dessert and drink similar to Tesco's offering. Saves going out to a restaurant, all done in the oven in less than an hour, and no cover charge! Cheers, hic, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Feb 17 02:59:03 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 08:59:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meal deals In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <602cdad6.1c69fb81.e4788.4183@mx.google.com> I don?t have an Asda anywhere near me, but have been a frequent customer of M & S Dine-in for ?10, or ?15, or whatever the offer is. Often bought two ?deals? at once, carefully selecting dishes that I could freeze. Most desserts survive for some time in a fridge set to run pretty cold ? the wine doesn?t last very long, though! Regards Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 17 February 2021 00:17 To: Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Dave; Richard; ,te >> , Cc: dave.mdv Subject: [Tech1] Meal deals I went shopping today for the weekly top-up of essentials! Last week, Asda were selling a Valentine's Day Meal Deal for ? 15 which included starters for 2, a Main course, 2 side dishes and dessert for two plus a drink , either soft , beer, or wines various. Today they had still got some components left so I got Breaded Brie with dip instead of the Tempura King Prawns and sweet chilli dip, for the main course I got Scallops and King Prawns en Croute, instead of Slow Cooked Lamb Shanks with mint sauce, side dishes of Dauphinoise potatoes and Cauliflower Cheese as before, and two Italian Caramel Panna Cottas in glass containers, plus a bottle of Saint-C?cile C. de R. Villages at a mere 14.5% ! All for ?15. Asda have also re-started their ?10 meal deal with only main, side, dessert and drink similar to Tesco's offering. Saves going out to a restaurant, all done in the oven in less than an hour, and no cover charge! Cheers, hic, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Feb 17 03:21:20 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:21:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals In-Reply-To: <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> References: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> Message-ID: <602ce00f.1c69fb81.c93f2.4821@mx.google.com> The Mail programme included with Windows 10 has got to be the most useless app that Microsoft ever came up with. Replying to a message that has the tech1 address in the ?from? field works OK, but if I try and type in ?tech1? etc, it irritatingly insists on displaying ?Dave Plowman via Tech1? I can set up a completely new message picking ?tech1? from the People menu ? that works, but never for a sequential reply. The old mail program offered with Vista, had a system whereby one could set up rules to sort incoming messages into different folders, which worked brilliantly. Microsoft obviously do not subscribe to the adage: ?if it ain?t broke, don?t fix it!? I recall that some time ago, it was suggested that if the sender wanted to change the theme of a thread, then the subject field should be altered to read a new theme. Regards Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 17 February 2021 08:19 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meal deals The reply to yourself, Alan, shows in my inbox as CC rather than BCC, which I shouldn?t see. Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 03:33:51 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:33:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals In-Reply-To: <602ce00f.1c69fb81.c93f2.4821@mx.google.com> References: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> <602ce00f.1c69fb81.c93f2.4821@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000501d70510$00fec070$02fc4150$@gmail.com> Pat, How many times do you need to ne told by Nick Ware and others to change your mail client to Outlook? I realise you enjoy a good whinge but this has become like a cracked record! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 17 February 2021 09:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals The Mail programme included with Windows 10 has got to be the most useless app that Microsoft ever came up with. Replying to a message that has the tech1 address in the ?from? field works OK, but if I try and type in ?tech1? etc, it irritatingly insists on displaying ?Dave Plowman via Tech1? I can set up a completely new message picking ?tech1? from the People menu ? that works, but never for a sequential reply. The old mail program offered with Vista, had a system whereby one could set up rules to sort incoming messages into different folders, which worked brilliantly. Microsoft obviously do not subscribe to the adage: ?if it ain?t broke, don?t fix it!? I recall that some time ago, it was suggested that if the sender wanted to change the theme of a thread, then the subject field should be altered to read a new theme. Regards Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 17 February 2021 08:19 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meal deals The reply to yourself, Alan, shows in my inbox as CC rather than BCC, which I shouldn?t see. Mike G _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 03:51:48 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 09:51:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <215CD2CC-7CFB-48B7-9319-E7830A71C854@gmail.com> I sent a Reply All message to Bernie last night as I said I would but have seen no trace of it in my own Inbox since, whereas the one I copied to Doug retuned like Noah?s dove and the one from Keith mentioning my name. Generally I don?t worry about any of this and just pick up on any threads that come my way, though I don?t add to all of them. Anything of real significance will appear in Announce but there are useful snippets on the day-to-day chitchat which I wouldn?t want to miss and it?s clear that others feel the same. I couldn?t begin to fathom what?s going on with all this and am glad to know that there are cleverer people among us who perhaps can, Geoff > On 17 Feb 2021, at 02:46, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > >> On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 22:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> Interesting - I got Doug's and Nick's, but Geoff only second hand. > > I got the same ? no sign of anything directly from Geoff ? not even in Spam. > I'm using a MacBook Pro, running High Sierra (OS 10.13.6), with tech-ops mail directed to Gmail's Forums folder. > > To perhaps remove some, but not all, confusion, please note that some emails to this list have had their subject changed without the customary message "(Was re: xxx)." No names, no pack drill. This sometimes made me think I had not received the original message, whereas I later found I had received it under a different heading. > > KW > >> >> On 16/02/2021 21:58, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> If it?s of any help, I do this mail list through my MSN mail server, and due to the huge amount of spam that MSN mail attracts, only onto my iPad, not to my Windows 10 desk or laptop computers. I always seem to get everyone?s postings OK, and usually get Bernie?s twice. With MSN I?m able to white-list tech1 and blacklist pretty much everything else as spam/junk. Curiously though, anyone on Bernie?s forum gets through the blacklist if they message me direct and not via tech1. >>> When I post messages to this list, I only send to tech1 at tech-ops.xx.xx (which iOS remembers from previous sendings) - never via ?reply?, or ?reply to all?. Maybe that?s just an Apple thing, but it seems to work. I suppose, if you use ?reply? you need to be sure where your reply is going! >>> Cheers, and keep ?em coming... >>> Nick. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>>> On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:54, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?I got it too, >>>>> Geoff >>>>> >>>>> On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:48, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?That arrived >>>>> Doug >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Feb 17 04:03:58 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 10:03:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals In-Reply-To: <000501d70510$00fec070$02fc4150$@gmail.com> References: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> <602ce00f.1c69fb81.c93f2.4821@mx.google.com> <000501d70510$00fec070$02fc4150$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <602cea0e.1c69fb81.fd59f.52ec@mx.google.com> Agreed, Dave. Will change when I?ve worked out how to set up the Accounts! This is a ?bear of little brain? when it comes to computers! However, I do have a pet guru to talk me through it. Fear not ? we shall overcome! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 17 February 2021 09:33 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: 'patheigham' Subject: RE: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals Pat, How many times do you need to ne told by Nick Ware and others to change your mail client to Outlook? I realise you enjoy a good whinge but this has become like a cracked record! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 17 February 2021 09:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals The Mail programme included with Windows 10 has got to be the most useless app that Microsoft ever came up with. Replying to a message that has the tech1 address in the ?from? field works OK, but if I try and type in ?tech1? etc, it irritatingly insists on displaying ?Dave Plowman via Tech1? I can set up a completely new message picking ?tech1? from the People menu ? that works, but never for a sequential reply. The old mail program offered with Vista, had a system whereby one could set up rules to sort incoming messages into different folders, which worked brilliantly. Microsoft obviously do not subscribe to the adage: ?if it ain?t broke, don?t fix it!? I recall that some time ago, it was suggested that if the sender wanted to change the theme of a thread, then the subject field should be altered to read a new theme. Regards Pat H This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 ------------------------- Anyone any idea what's going on? Dave Buckley PS. if you hit 'reply' the message does only go to the sender, Reply all seems to go to the group. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From waresound at msn.com Wed Feb 17 05:01:57 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:01:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Missing messages In-Reply-To: <2c0f5265-c380-3665-f932-9b4c499f24f6@sky.com> References: <2c0f5265-c380-3665-f932-9b4c499f24f6@sky.com> Message-ID: If you are including an ?original? message in your reply, most mail apps give you the option to do so with or without any incoming attachments. That?s because there?s no point in sending them back to the person you?re replying to (who sent them to you). But if you choose not to include the attachments, at least the will tell you that there was one. In my instance that you mention, saving 3.3MB of data content. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 17 Feb 2021, at 10:26, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I've had the same problem. I get a reply to a posted message before the original has arrived, with the original below (what I believe is called top posting). > > Not only that, but if any of the 'original' messages below the reply had photos attached, these just show up as for example, as in this recent email from Nick Ware....... > ----------------------- > On 16 Feb 2021, at 12:57, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > A winebox with partitions - all out of one piece of cardboard. Quite clever, I thought. > Question is, am I clever enough to put it back together? (You?ll never know!) > Cheers, > > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > ------------------------- > > Anyone any idea what's going on? > > Dave Buckley > PS. if you hit 'reply' the message does only go to the sender, Reply all seems to go to the group. > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 05:09:09 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:09:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mr Heigham's mail client In-Reply-To: <602ce00f.1c69fb81.c93f2.4821@mx.google.com> References: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> <602ce00f.1c69fb81.c93f2.4821@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Pat - I keep saying ...... Find it here - https://www.thunderbird.net/en-GB/ Instructions here - https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/installing-thunderbird-windows B On 17/02/2021 09:21, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The Mail programme included with Windows 10 has got to be the most > useless app that Microsoft ever came up with. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, I do have a pet guru to talk me through it. Fear not ? we shall overcome! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 17 February 2021 09:33 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: 'patheigham' Subject: RE: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals Pat, How many times do you need to ne told by Nick Ware and others to change your mail client to Outlook? I realise you enjoy a good whinge but this has become like a cracked record! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 17 February 2021 09:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals The Mail programme included with Windows 10 has got to be the most useless app that Microsoft ever came up with. Replying to a message that has the tech1 address in the ?from? field works OK, but if I try and type in ?tech1? etc, it irritatingly insists on displaying ?Dave Plowman via Tech1? 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I did change something - Trouble is, I don't really know what it means. And actually it doesn't seem to have changed anything. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: kibbpedgchnikkda.png Type: image/png Size: 18947 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Feb 17 05:21:16 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:21:16 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals In-Reply-To: <000501d70510$00fec070$02fc4150$@gmail.com> References: <38840BC5-D3B1-4DBE-84F0-8D7AAF4F5E07@me.com> <067C0999-CECE-4631-8012-F1387CD8E03F@mac.com> <602ce00f.1c69fb81.c93f2.4821@mx.google.com> <000501d70510$00fec070$02fc4150$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <59002be9b1davesound@btinternet.com> Although that may be true, there is something very odd with the software used on this forum. Based on the funnies that only happen on here. Instant example here. I replied to Mail List for this post On my headers, that has come up as the primary address, but it is CC to ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com - and I've no idea who that is. I would normally cancel the CC - but have left it in to prove the point. On plenty of other occasions, it will give some other address as the primary, and CC to list. I also can originate a post which never appears. Three times over the past few weeks. In article <000501d70510$00fec070$02fc4150$@gmail.com>, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > Pat, > How many times do you need to ne told by Nick Ware and others to change your mail client to Outlook? > I realise you enjoy a good whinge but this has become like a cracked record! > Dave D > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: 17 February 2021 09:21 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: patheigham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] e-mail addresses - was Meal deals > > The Mail programme included with Windows 10 has got to be the most useless app that Microsoft ever came up with. > Replying to a message that has the tech1 address in the ?from? field works OK, but if I try and type in ?tech1? etc, it irritatingly insists on displaying ?Dave Plowman via Tech1? > I can set up a completely new message picking ?tech1? from the People menu ? that works, but never for a sequential reply. > The old mail program offered with Vista, had a system whereby one could set up rules to sort incoming messages into different folders, which worked brilliantly. > Microsoft obviously do not subscribe to the adage: ?if it ain?t broke, don?t fix it!? > > I recall that some time ago, it was suggested that if the sender wanted to change the theme of a thread, then the subject field should be altered to read a new theme. > > Regards > Pat H > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 17 February 2021 08:19 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Mike Giles > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meal deals > > The reply to yourself, Alan, shows in my inbox as CC rather than BCC, which I shouldn?t see. > > Mike G > > > > _____ > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dudley.darby at gmail.com Wed Feb 17 09:25:06 2021 From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:25:06 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: References: <59FE197F-AE83-4C0D-A783-B0461BD058C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2F03041BC7AD4382A04AE1BA1287812D@DarbydPC1> I got it, no problem Dudley Dudley C. Darby _____ From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 16 February 2021 22:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] test Interesting - I got Doug's and Nick's, but Geoff only second hand. Strange stuff. Maybe I should reload Dada. B On 16/02/2021 21:58, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: If it?s of any help, I do this mail list through my MSN mail server, and due to the huge amount of spam that MSN mail attracts, only onto my iPad, not to my Windows 10 desk or laptop computers. I always seem to get everyone?s postings OK, and usually get Bernie?s twice. With MSN I?m able to white-list tech1 and blacklist pretty much everything else as spam/junk. Curiously though, anyone on Bernie?s forum gets through the blacklist if they message me direct and not via tech1. When I post messages to this list, I only send to tech1 at tech-ops.xx.xx (which iOS remembers from previous sendings) - never via ?reply?, or ?reply to all?. Maybe that?s just an Apple thing, but it seems to work. I suppose, if you use ?reply? you need to be sure where your reply is going! Cheers, and keep ?em coming... Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:54, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: ?I got it too, Geoff On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:48, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: ?That arrived Doug -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Wed Feb 17 09:28:55 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 15:28:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] test In-Reply-To: <2F03041BC7AD4382A04AE1BA1287812D@DarbydPC1> References: <59FE197F-AE83-4C0D-A783-B0461BD058C2@gmail.com> <2F03041BC7AD4382A04AE1BA1287812D@DarbydPC1> Message-ID: <9DC230F9-C0AD-45AC-92F5-BAB18E5A6943@btinternet.com> Dera Bernie If you wanted confirmation that the test worked. IT DID Fondest Herding cats comes to mind. Good luck Albert No more news of Neil I suppose? > On 17 Feb 2021, at 15:25, Dudley Darby via Tech1 wrote: > > I got it, no problem > > Dudley > > Dudley C. Darby > From: Tech1 [mailto: tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk ] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 16 February 2021 22:05 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] test > > Interesting - I got Doug's and Nick's, but Geoff only second hand. > > Strange stuff. Maybe I should reload Dada. > > B > > > On 16/02/2021 21:58, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> If it?s of any help, I do this mail list through my MSN mail server, and due to the huge amount of spam that MSN mail attracts, only onto my iPad, not to my Windows 10 desk or laptop computers. I always seem to get everyone?s postings OK, and usually get Bernie?s twice. With MSN I?m able to white-list tech1 and blacklist pretty much everything else as spam/junk. Curiously though, anyone on Bernie?s forum gets through the blacklist if they message me direct and not via tech1. >> When I post messages to this list, I only send to tech1 at tech-ops.xx.xx (which iOS remembers from previous sendings) - never via ?reply?, or ?reply to all?. Maybe that?s just an Apple thing, but it seems to work. I suppose, if you use ?reply? you need to be sure where your reply is going! >> Cheers, and keep ?em coming... >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:54, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I got it too, >>> Geoff >>> >>>> On 16 Feb 2021, at 20:48, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?That arrived >>>> Doug >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Best Wishes Neil From: Tech1 On Behalf Of techtone via Tech1 Sent: 18 February 2021 20:37 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Cc: techtone Subject: [Tech1] TS1 and/or TS2 Having been asked about Lime Grove and PSC, I wondered if any of you had pics of either TS1 or TS2? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 18 16:05:59 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 22:05:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl Message-ID: I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 18 16:07:57 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 22:07:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Prue Menmuir, Tel.OBs Sound Assistant Message-ID: <2f11d5d3-ec84-c6f9-bfc7-413bbb362f44@btinternet.com> I don't know how many of you remember Prue Menmuir who was my SA2 on LO3 for a while, she had ample supplies in the chest department! Anyway, I heard during our sound Zoom meeting last year that she had moved to Scotland and was involved in renting accommodation to naturalists etc. I didn't know that she had cancer and this week Les Mowbray sent this update. Everyone sends their best wishes to her - 'I have hi jacked Tony?s list as I have had some unfortunate news from Prue, unfortunately the cancer has returned though hopefully it?s an easier to treat secondary cancer. She is currently shielding as her bronchitis is particularly bad and her energy levels are quite low so she isn?t up to dealing with lots of communication at the moment, her mobile connection isn?t great, texts are intermittent so she has asked to channel things through me for now. She has had the vaccine and is in good spirits and positive and is receiving help from friends who are helping her as she says ?tidying her up? so she no longer knows where things are. I?ll keep everyone informed as and when I can. Les.' ?????????????? Regards, Dave From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Feb 18 16:20:57 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 22:20:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think...John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) To: Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard , "," Cc: "dave.mdv" Subject: [Tech1] Lidl I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. All for ?19.99! 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Mike G From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 18 18:15:27 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 00:15:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl In-Reply-To: <5FD91EAF0C8B845F@re-prd-rgin-011.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> References: <5FD91EAF0C8B845F@re-prd-rgin-011.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <22c38f65-6539-056f-a926-f2ac4f2e090b@btinternet.com> Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: > I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a > normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to > making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& > yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us > our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking > showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. > I'll stick to my steel measure I think... > > John Nottage > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" > Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) > To: Phil , Pete > , Dave , > Dave , Dave , > Richard , "," > Cc: "dave.mdv" > Subject: [Tech1] Lidl > > I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, > washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of > interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there > before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations > and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is > really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 > feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. > All for ?19.99! 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Projects a laser cross onto a wall etc for tiling or whatever. Much easier than fiddling with a spirit level. The other reall oddball was on sale today. An electric nibbler for 35 quid. Most commonly used for car body repairs. But for those normally air powered. You can get attachments for an electric drill - but rather unwieldy in use. Ages ago I bought a Hitachi version which cost an arm and a leg used. Due to not being made in vast numbers. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Fri Feb 19 02:36:28 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:36:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl In-Reply-To: <22c38f65-6539-056f-a926-f2ac4f2e090b@btinternet.com> References: <5FD91EAF0C8B845F@re-prd-rgin-011.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>, <22c38f65-6539-056f-a926-f2ac4f2e090b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... John Nottage Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) To: Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard , "," Cc: "dave.mdv" Subject: [Tech1] Lidl I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Feb 19 02:37:09 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:37:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Clarkson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <44E92DCA-2503-4102-BAD0-764617A72D87@icloud.com> Those of us brought up on Hornblower knew about it. Graeme Wall > On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?For the very first time that I can remember Jeremy wrote an article in the ST last week that deserved being sent to every school's history teacher! I never knew anything about the slave rescuing that the British navy did and i don't suppose many other people did as well. Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Feb 19 02:40:32 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:40:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1DE02078B53E44E4B1C4B2CB9314F4F4@Gigabyte> The Lidl "Middle isle" (actually the back of the middle isle by the meat) was very male busy yesterday with all that stuff. Too many nice things (unwanted really) there and glad to see the magnetic tool holder rails are back in stock! The most useful thing however was a themed bottle opener with big fat handle and red plastic inserts to match all the other tools. Mike -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 10:05 PM To: Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard ; , Cc: dave.mdv Subject: [Tech1] Lidl I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 19 03:05:35 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:05:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl developed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does anyone recall an estate agent who placed ads in one of the Sunday papers during our youth, telling it how it really was - things like ?Only a fool would consider spending his hard-earned money on this heap of junk,? or ?not even room to swing a cat!? My father often read out bits from this guy, but I haven?t a clue as to his or the company?s name. Apparently he was quite successful as an estate agent and I?m sure it?s a good philosophy to understate, at least to some degree, so that the live experience comes as a pleasant surprise, rather than a disappointment at just how small the garden or the kitchen really are compared to the pictures. This has been one of Boris?s failings, of course - over promising and under delivering - except for the vaccine programme, which seems to be doing rather well. A local councillor mentioned that one of the over-arching principles that were emphasised in training for the role was to ?manage expectations? - in other words, don?t promise what you aren?t sure that you can deliver. Clearly, that training is only offered at local government level and they are taught to forget it once they climb the ladder. Mike G > On 19 Feb 2021, at 08:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. > Cheers, Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave >> >>> On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: >>> I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... >>> >>> John Nottage >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Galaxy >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" >>> Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) >>> To: Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard , "," >>> Cc: "dave.mdv" >>> Subject: [Tech1] Lidl >>> >>> I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, >>> washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of >>> interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there >>> before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations >>> and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is >>> really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 >>> feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. >>> All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 19 03:33:12 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:33:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2593A50E-0FEF-4FDC-A4E8-E6DF9FDDA325@me.com> When we were house hunting, we got pretty good at using estate agents info together with online resources to weed out the unsuitable houses. The wide angle lens can make small kitchens look large, but most kitchen carcasses are built on a 60 cm module. Therefore if you count six units, that?s 3.6 metres. Floor tiles can be compared to kitchen units, so if there are two tiles per unit, they are 300mm tiles and you can judge the dimensions of other views in the kitchen. We wanted to be sure that the garden was orientated well for daylight and sitting out in the evenings. Knowing that satellite dishes point more or less south quickly tells you the orientation. Even if there is no sat dish, terrestrial aerials point to the local transmitter. We considered one house where there were no aerials shown, but all the kitchen clocks, VCRs and alarm clocks revealed it was mid afternoon, therefore it was reasonable to expect the shadows in the garden to represent where the sun might be at mid afternoon. Other clues were there too. If there was a combination key box on the wall by the front door, the chances are that the previous resident was elderly and receiving visits from carers. They might not have been able to pay attention to the upkeep. Then there was the seasonal plants in the garden, revealing that the photo was taken several months ago and that the house had been on the market for ages. One estate agent ploy was told to me by a freelancer looking to buy a harbour side flat in Portsmouth. The agent suggested meeting at a nearby Starbucks, either inside for a coffee or outside, ready to leave at 14:20. He met the agent outside, was rushed to the flat, which was very attractive and truly did have the harbour views promised. The viewing was at a pace and he was out of the door in ten minutes. He didn?t think anything was too odd, just a busy agent and a small flat, but decided to take another look at the outside of the flat afterwards. When he returned, the Isle of Wight ferry was parked outside, towering over the flat and passengers were able to look in while they waited to leave. He was sure that the viewing was carefully arranged to happen during the brief gap between sailings. Funniest was a few years ago when somebody viewed a house in Bristol. It was quirky and interesting, the owner obviously had an artistic flair. One oddity was that the agent didn?t take them into the garden, it was viewed through windows. Afterwards, when talking to a friend who knew the area, they asked if it was near the Pink Panther house. The reason why the agent didn?t want to take them into the garden was that the back wall had a giant painting of the Pink Panther on it, which you wouldn?t see from the inside. Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 08:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. > Cheers, Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave >> >>> On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: >>> I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... >>> >>> John Nottage >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Galaxy >>> >>> >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" >>> Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) >>> To: Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard , "," >>> Cc: "dave.mdv" >>> Subject: [Tech1] Lidl >>> >>> I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, >>> washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of >>> interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there >>> before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations >>> and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is >>> really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 >>> feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. >>> All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Feb 19 03:36:55 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:36:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl developed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <602f86b5.1c69fb81.78ace.221d@mx.google.com> I remember working on a programme that involved a visit to a new Barretts estate in Preston. The rooms in their houses were titchy, and we discovered that the furnishings in the show house were constructed to a smaller scale than full size reality. Sneaky! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 19 February 2021 09:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lidl developed Does anyone recall an estate agent who placed ads in one of the Sunday papers during our youth, telling it how it really was - things like ?Only a fool would consider spending his hard-earned money on this heap of junk,? or ?not even room to swing a cat!? My father often read out bits from this guy, but I haven?t a clue as to his or the company?s name. Apparently he was quite successful as an estate agent and I?m sure it?s a good philosophy to understate, at least to some degree, so that the live experience comes as a pleasant surprise, rather than a disappointment at just how small the garden or the kitchen really are compared to the pictures. This has been one of Boris?s failings, of course - over promising and under delivering - except for the vaccine programme, which seems to be doing rather well. A local councillor mentioned that one of the over-arching principles that were emphasised in training for the role was to ?manage expectations? - in other words, don?t promise what you aren?t sure that you can deliver. Clearly, that training is only offered at local government level and they are taught to forget it once they climb the ladder.? Mike G On 19 Feb 2021, at 08:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! 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He uses his undoubted journalistic facility for witticisms to lump the extremists together with all those politically left of Genghis Khan and damn the lot of them. On balance therefore I think only the first part of the article merits inclusion in school history teaching. In my schooldays I read a book called 'Straight and Crooked Thinking' by Robert H Thouless. It was written in 1930, revised in 1953 and appeared again as a new edition in 2011. Long before this new edition I obtained with some difficulty a copy which I gave to my son because it is an object lesson in how to try to rationalise one's own thinking and by extension help to equip one to better judge the thinking of others. I recall a chapter 'Fair and unfair ploys in argument' which I rather suspect Clarkson has not read or else chosen to dismiss. I can see a case for its re-emergence in the school curriculum and think it ideally would be compulsory reading for all politicians of every shade of opinion. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 12:28 AM To: , ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Cc: dave.mdv Subject: [Tech1] Clarkson For the very first time that I can remember Jeremy wrote an article in the ST last week that deserved being sent to every school's history teacher! I never knew anything about the slave rescuing that the British navy did and i don't suppose many other people did as well. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 19 03:51:38 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:51:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl In-Reply-To: References: <5FD91EAF0C8B845F@re-prd-rgin-011.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>, <22c38f65-6539-056f-a926-f2ac4f2e090b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <019E86B747464639A9707BBE08D891BB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Definitely second that Nick. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 8:36 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lidl A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... John Nottage Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message -------- From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) To: Phil mailto:phil at philwthomas.plus.com, Pete mailto:pete.m.thomas456 at gmail.com, Dave mailto:daidor24 at wendoveremail.co.uk, Dave mailto:davelebreton at btinternet.com, Dave mailto:d.cjennings at btinternet.com, Richard mailto:richard.hipkin at sky.com, "," mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: "dave.mdv" mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: [Tech1] Lidl I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 19 03:59:37 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 09:59:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl developed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My wife is very wise in many ways, with the obvious exception of having married a git like me. She reckons that the key to a good marriage or relationship is to have similar expectations. If a marriage starts off where there is a mis-match of expectations, it?s probably doomed to fail. Under promising and over delivering is part of the same concept, We never make promises to our kids unless we can be sure to deliver. As for the vaccination success, it?s being administered by the real NHS. I note that the quarantine hotel contracts have been awarded to more private companies with links to a certain political party. My expectation is that it will fare no better than the Serco Test and Trace operation which masquerades under the NHS banner. Incidentally, Janet had an unconscious patient admitted to her ward this week and they did routine Covid tests immediately. Once the patient regained consciousness, she announced that she had tested positive in December. The ?NHS? Test and Trace people didn?t tell the real NHS about her case and there was no mention of it on her medical records. Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 09:06, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Does anyone recall an estate agent who placed ads in one of the Sunday papers during our youth, telling it how it really was - things like ?Only a fool would consider spending his hard-earned money on this heap of junk,? or ?not even room to swing a cat!? My father often read out bits from this guy, but I haven?t a clue as to his or the company?s name. Apparently he was quite successful as an estate agent and I?m sure it?s a good philosophy to understate, at least to some degree, so that the live experience comes as a pleasant surprise, rather than a disappointment at just how small the garden or the kitchen really are compared to the pictures. This has been one of Boris?s failings, of course - over promising and under delivering - except for the vaccine programme, which seems to be doing rather well. A local councillor mentioned that one of the over-arching principles that were emphasised in training for the role was to ?manage expectations? - in other words, don?t promise what you aren?t sure that you can deliver. Clearly, that training is only offered at local government level and they are taught to forget it once they climb the ladder. > > Mike G > >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 08:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. >> Cheers, Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave >>> >>>> On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: >>>> I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... >>>> >>>> John Nottage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Galaxy >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" >>>> Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) >>>> To: Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard , "," >>>> Cc: "dave.mdv" >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Lidl >>>> >>>> I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, >>>> washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of >>>> interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there >>>> before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations >>>> and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is >>>> really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 >>>> feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. >>>> All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Fri Feb 19 05:51:17 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 11:51:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Elizabeth R References: <06e992d8-fc81-a213-bd07-e469c0155cb3.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <06e992d8-fc81-a213-bd07-e469c0155cb3@sky.com> BBC 4 is repeating the Elizabeth R drama episodes as it is 50 years (1971) since they were recorded. The first episode was last Wednesday at 9pm. I watched the first 10 minutes or so just to see what the technical quality was like and I wasn't disappointed. The format hasn't been tampered with and is a true 4x3. It looks as though both sound and picture have been cleaned up a bit as the picture quality was excellent. It was also a pleasure to hear good sound quality (no mumbling) without any extraneous noise and unnecessary music! And of course nicely lit by Bob Wright! Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net Fri Feb 19 07:08:54 2021 From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 13:08:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl developed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <351B09D9-D5ED-487B-BCA4-01CBE29D8B8D@ukgateway.net> Yes I remember that. My father also read them out to the amusement of the household. Sunday Times perhaps and the name Roy Brooks still seems to ring a distant bell. Bingo! Just done a search and found this. https://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/opinion/roy-brooks/ Cheers Robin S > On 19 Feb 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Does anyone recall an estate agent who placed ads in one of the Sunday papers during our youth, telling it how it really was - things like ?Only a fool would consider spending his hard-earned money on this heap of junk,? or ?not even room to swing a cat!? My father often read out bits from this guy, but I haven?t a clue as to his or the company?s name. Apparently he was quite successful as an estate agent and I?m sure it?s a good philosophy to understate, at least to some degree, so that the live experience comes as a pleasant surprise, rather than a disappointment at just how small the garden or the kitchen really are compared to the pictures. This has been one of Boris?s failings, of course - over promising and under delivering - except for the vaccine programme, which seems to be doing rather well. A local councillor mentioned that one of the over-arching principles that were emphasised in training for the role was to ?manage expectations? - in other words, don?t promise what you aren?t sure that you can deliver. Clearly, that training is only offered at local government level and they are taught to forget it once they climb the ladder. > > Mike G > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 08:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. >> Cheers, Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave >>> On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: >>>> I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... >>>> >>>> John Nottage >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Galaxy >>>> >>>> >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" >>>> Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) >>>> To: Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard , "," >>>> Cc: "dave.mdv" >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Lidl >>>> >>>> I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, >>>> washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of >>>> interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there >>>> before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations >>>> and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is >>>> really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 >>>> feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. >>>> All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screen Shot 2021-02-19 at 13.07.12.png Type: image/png Size: 1751095 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 19 08:15:46 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:15:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. Message-ID: <5901439105davesound@btinternet.com> A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 19 08:33:06 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:33:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <5901439105davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5901439105davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. > > This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 08:44:03 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:44:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> References: <5901439105davesound@btinternet.com> <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> Message-ID: I thought I posted this. I did change something, but I couldn't see any difference.? It used to have Poster selected. The Mailman setup is just a touch opaque, so I don't actually know what it's talking about B On 19/02/2021 14:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? > > Alan Taylor > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. >> >> This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was very funny! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... John Nottage? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 19 09:10:23 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:10:23 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> References: <5901439105davesound@btinternet.com> <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> Message-ID: <586C597B760F442187D7E3D254122ECF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I was curious about the way the 'To' line read on the header of one of Dave Mundy's posts this morning. Don't recall seeing this before. When I responded via 'Reply All' the same convention showed in the 'To' line. Reply didn't come back back to my own inbox - don't know if it was distributed. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:33 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. > > This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mail header.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 275087 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 19 09:29:39 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 15:29:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <586C597B760F442187D7E3D254122ECF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <586C597B760F442187D7E3D254122ECF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: FYI, if I had replied to your email simply using Reply, it would have solely replied to you. I never do a Reply to all. If the Reply would by default be going to an individual but I wished to reply to the group, I would change the Send Address to ?Tech Ops Chit Chat?, or something similar that appears on a pull down list, which is what I did here. Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:10, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?I was curious about the way the 'To' line read on the header of one of Dave Mundy's posts this morning. Don't recall seeing this before. > > When I responded via 'Reply All' the same convention showed in the 'To' line. Reply didn't come back back to my own inbox - don't know if it was distributed. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:33 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. > > Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? > > Alan Taylor > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. >> >> This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 19 11:02:04 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 17:02:04 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> References: <5901439105davesound@btinternet.com> <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> Message-ID: <590152ca1bdavesound@btinternet.com> Alan, if I reply to your post (list only) your personal email address appears in the headers as a CC too. I them delete the CC (if I remember to) This doesn't happen anywhere else. The other odd thing is on the list my name comes up as via Tech1. Which would suggest something somewhere is re-routing things? If I reply to you personally (in other words a private reply, not for list) your address comes up as 'Alan Taylor via Tech1 ' Which would again suggest some strange routing? In article <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27 at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? > Alan Taylor > > On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > #A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. > > > > This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Te -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Feb 19 12:02:28 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:02:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <590152ca1bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <5901439105davesound@btinternet.com> <4F076279-C1D3-41C9-AE20-2BF4D0F73D27@me.com> <590152ca1bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <602ffd33.1c69fb81.fd4e8.a0ea@mx.google.com> Tech-ops is not the only situation of strange things happening. My co-directors of the Estate company where I live, have a group e-mail address so we can send to all three of us in one go. One of the three, with a Hotmail address never gets the messages, unless it?s sent to her individual address. No idea why this happens. I believe the group address is riding on g-mail, but I?ll have to check this with my guru who set it up for us. It allows her to send out to the group address, and the incoming junk folder is always checked. Apparently the group messages end up there anyway! Yes, Dave P ? when I try to type in tech-ops to the ?to? field, the accursed autofill system always insists that it?s ?Dave Plowman via Tech-ops?. I find this highly irritating, and yes, Dave D ? I do enjoy a whinge. I like things to work properly. (BBC training?) With this extended lockdown, I have been downloading e-books to read. This is a service accessed from Surrey Libraries. However the bookmark facility never works properly, as if one puts in a marker at the first page of a chapter, then accesses later, it always settles on the end of that chapter. I have tacked the supplier about this, they knew about it, but so far, no fix! Regards Pat (getting ready to tear his hair out! Ok, have a laff!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 19 February 2021 17:02 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. Alan, if I reply to your post (list only) your personal email address appears in the headers as a CC too. I them delete the CC (if I remember to) This doesn't happen anywhere else. The other odd thing is on the list my name comes up as via Tech1. Which would suggest something somewhere is re-routing things? If I reply to you personally (in other words a private reply, not for list) your address comes up as 'Alan Taylor via Tech1 ' Which would again suggest some strange routing? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: AC5359EED17F4A87938120C11BBD0D01.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 25702 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 19 12:37:17 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:37:17 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: References: <586C597B760F442187D7E3D254122ECF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <98088845ACC04CAC868AE74FF78D2AA0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I have wondered times many where this Tech-Ops-chit-chat alternative originates. In this instance Alan, because it is where you directed your post, it occupies the 'To' slot when I respond (as now) using 'reply all'. If however I wanted to choose Tech-Ops-chit-chat when starting a new thread, where would I find this pull down list? Apologies for asking something that may be blindingly obvious to others but I am really very poorly versed in this area. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 3:29 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. FYI, if I had replied to your email simply using Reply, it would have solely replied to you. I never do a Reply to all. If the Reply would by default be going to an individual but I wished to reply to the group, I would change the Send Address to ?Tech Ops Chit Chat?, or something similar that appears on a pull down list, which is what I did here. Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:10, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?I was curious about the way the 'To' line read on the header of one of > Dave Mundy's posts this morning. Don't recall seeing this before. > > When I responded via 'Reply All' the same convention showed in the 'To' > line. Reply didn't come back back to my own inbox - don't know if it was > distributed. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:33 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. > > Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to > reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on > every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed > something, or are people addressing posts differently? > > Alan Taylor > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. >> >> This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Feb 19 12:39:31 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 18:39:31 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall Message-ID: <006BF7C539C7413ABF8FC81C15482948@Gigabyte> I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Another ? working job, needed to feed a cable under the arena floor ? not a wonderful task. I used to film boxing matches for ?Sportsview? using two 16mm Auricon cameras ? dreadful stripe mag sound. At York Hall, in east London I could hang an effects mic over the ring for the thud of leather against flesh, but it wasn?t possible for one match in RAH ? we arrived far too late for the riggers to assist for an overhead. Ah Well - fond memories? Pat (The mad Scientist!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 19 February 2021 18:40 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Cc: Mike Jordan Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. ? https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E ? https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 ? Mike ? ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 19 14:10:04 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:10:04 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall In-Reply-To: <60300fb9.1c69fb81.a418f.ac09@mx.google.com> References: <006BF7C539C7413ABF8FC81C15482948@Gigabyte> <60300fb9.1c69fb81.a418f.ac09@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4F13FBEC4A4043E8A04EAE180E10200D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I hope I am not misreading the situation regarding posts not received. It seems quite a few reports in recent days are building some sort of picture and here is a further instance ? I only saw Mike Jordan?s Royal Albert Hall post on Pat?s response. Could Bernie perhaps advise whether there is sufficient information already available to him to render this and future occurrences superfluous? Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:21 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: patheigham Subject: Re: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall My CV could show that I?ve actually performed in the RAH. This was when I attended Ewell Tech (now NESCOT) before BBC career. There was one period a week where we had to do something different to our normal classes. I joined the Country Dance group ? well it was a way of meeting the girls from the secretarial course! I was a reasonable dancer and got picked to join a Folk Dance jamboree at RAH. A girlfriend who goes to the Proms, gave me a badge that said ?I?ve performed at The Albert Hall? which is proudly pinned on my sunhat! Another ? working job, needed to feed a cable under the arena floor ? not a wonderful task. I used to film boxing matches for ?Sportsview? using two 16mm Auricon cameras ? dreadful stripe mag sound. At York Hall, in east London I could hang an effects mic over the ring for the thud of leather against flesh, but it wasn?t possible for one match in RAH ? we arrived far too late for the riggers to assist for an overhead. Ah Well - fond memories? Pat (The mad Scientist!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 19 February 2021 18:40 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Cc: Mike Jordan Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 14:14:40 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:14:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall In-Reply-To: <4F13FBEC4A4043E8A04EAE180E10200D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <006BF7C539C7413ABF8FC81C15482948@Gigabyte> <60300fb9.1c69fb81.a418f.ac09@mx.google.com> <4F13FBEC4A4043E8A04EAE180E10200D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <0e6753b8-d4c0-9d8e-1ef4-88406e044c1a@ntlworld.com> Nope, haven't the faintest. B On 19/02/2021 20:10, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > I hope I am not misreading the situation regarding posts not received. > It seems quite a few reports in recent days are building some sort of > picture and here is a further instance ? I only saw Mike Jordan?s > Royal Albert Hall post on Pat?s response. Could Bernie perhaps advise > whether there is sufficient information already available to him to > render this and future occurrences superfluous? > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* patheigham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Friday, February 19, 2021 7:21 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc:* patheigham > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall > > My CV could show that I?ve actually performed in the RAH. > > This was when I attended Ewell Tech (now NESCOT) before BBC career. > There was one period a week where we had to do something different to > our normal classes. I joined the Country Dance group ? well it was a > way of meeting the girls from the secretarial course! I was a > reasonable dancer and got picked to join a Folk Dance jamboree at RAH. > A girlfriend who goes to the Proms, gave me a badge that said ?I?ve > performed at The Albert Hall? which is proudly pinned on my sunhat! > > Another ? working job, needed to feed a cable under the arena floor ? > not a wonderful task. > > I used to film boxing matches for ?Sportsview? using two 16mm Auricon > cameras ? dreadful stripe mag sound. At York Hall, in east London I > could hang an effects mic over the ring for the thud of leather > against flesh, but it wasn?t possible for one match in RAH ? we > arrived far too late for the riggers to assist for an overhead. > > Ah Well - fond memories? > > Pat > > (The mad Scientist!) > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Mike Jordan via Tech1 > *Sent: *19 February 2021 18:40 > *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Cc: *Mike Jordan > *Subject: *[Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall > > I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but > these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very > interesting. > > Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors > (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. > > https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E > > > https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 > > > Mike > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 19 14:28:51 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:28:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall In-Reply-To: <60300fb9.1c69fb81.a418f.ac09@mx.google.com> References: <006BF7C539C7413ABF8FC81C15482948@Gigabyte> <60300fb9.1c69fb81.a418f.ac09@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <556BBF21A7644DF29C974F0C323D6437@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> If ever there was a ?not many people know that? worthy of the phrase then these two Londonist items are it. Absolutely fascinating Mike and I greatly enjoyed them. Thanks for posting, Dave Newbitt. From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 19 February 2021 18:40 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Cc: Mike Jordan Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 19 14:30:43 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:30:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. Message-ID: <0F6B5F3F-1B75-4671-BA5C-09BF282A5E6E@me.com> The chit chat address comes from a pull down list of helpful suggestions offered by my Mail client when I start typing Te.... I would guess that many of us have alternative suggestions in our various Mail clients. It must have harvested them from previous emails. Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 18:37, David Newbitt wrote: > From mibridge at mac.com Fri Feb 19 16:45:12 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 22:45:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lidl developed In-Reply-To: <351B09D9-D5ED-487B-BCA4-01CBE29D8B8D@ukgateway.net> References: <351B09D9-D5ED-487B-BCA4-01CBE29D8B8D@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: <9690E5C5-8DDE-4EC8-BB9C-C2692BBE2956@mac.com> BIngo indeed, Robin ~ yes Roy Brooks rings the bell! That advert seems absolutely typical. Mike G > On 19 Feb 2021, at 13:08, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote: > > Yes I remember that. My father also read them out to the amusement of the household. Sunday Times perhaps and the name Roy Brooks still seems to ring a distant bell. > > Bingo! Just done a search and found this. > > https://www.mortgagestrategy.co.uk/opinion/roy-brooks/ > > > Cheers > > Robin S > > > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 09:05, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Does anyone recall an estate agent who placed ads in one of the Sunday papers during our youth, telling it how it really was - things like ?Only a fool would consider spending his hard-earned money on this heap of junk,? or ?not even room to swing a cat!? My father often read out bits from this guy, but I haven?t a clue as to his or the company?s name. Apparently he was quite successful as an estate agent and I?m sure it?s a good philosophy to understate, at least to some degree, so that the live experience comes as a pleasant surprise, rather than a disappointment at just how small the garden or the kitchen really are compared to the pictures. This has been one of Boris?s failings, of course - over promising and under delivering - except for the vaccine programme, which seems to be doing rather well. A local councillor mentioned that one of the over-arching principles that were emphasised in training for the role was to ?manage expectations? - in other words, don?t promise what you aren?t sure that you can deliver. Clearly, that training is only offered at local government level and they are taught to forget it once they climb the ladder. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 08:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? A 10% measurement discrepancy is nothing compared to the blatent lie and false impression that the use of ultra-wideangle lenses tells in Estate Agents? sales brochures. >>> Cheers, Nick. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 00:17, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Probably, 10% is within the estate agents bible's guide lines about how much to exaggerate the size of any thing that they are selling! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> On 18/02/2021 22:20, jpn wrote: >>>>> I'm having a new garage door fitted. The man measured first using a normal steel measure. Once the final decisions had been made he set to making the detailed measurements using a laser measure. I hope his (& yours) was better than the one used by the estate agent who sold us our house. His measurements were all about 10% high: closer checking showed all the rooms were quite a bit smaller than the paperwork said. I'll stick to my steel measure I think... >>>>> >>>>> John Nottage >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Galaxy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" >>>>> Date: 18/02/2021 22:08 (GMT+00:00) >>>>> To: Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard , "," >>>>> Cc: "dave.mdv" >>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Lidl >>>>> >>>>> I went to Lidl today for my fortnightly shop there, for cheap meat, >>>>> washing up liquid and so on! They have got shelves full of all sorts of >>>>> interesting tools and gadgets and I bought one I hadn't seen there >>>>> before - a Laser distance measurer! It also does Pythagoras calculations >>>>> and volumes in several different units. It is 11.5cm.x5x2.5 and is >>>>> really solidly built. (My back garden from back wall to fence is 65.67 >>>>> feet long!) It has two spirit levels built in and runs on 2 x AAA cells. >>>>> All for ?19.99! Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Could Bernie perhaps advise whether there is sufficient information already available to him to render this and future occurrences superfluous? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: patheigham via Tech1 <> >> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:21 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >> Cc: patheigham <> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >> >> My CV could show that I?ve actually performed in the RAH. >> This was when I attended Ewell Tech (now NESCOT) before BBC career. There was one period a week where we had to do something different to our normal classes. I joined the Country Dance group ? well it was a way of meeting the girls from the secretarial course! I was a reasonable dancer and got picked to join a Folk Dance jamboree at RAH. A girlfriend who goes to the Proms, gave me a badge that said ?I?ve performed at The Albert Hall? which is proudly pinned on my sunhat! >> Another ? working job, needed to feed a cable under the arena floor ? not a wonderful task. >> I used to film boxing matches for ?Sportsview? using two 16mm Auricon cameras ? dreadful stripe mag sound. At York Hall, in east London I could hang an effects mic over the ring for the thud of leather against flesh, but it wasn?t possible for one match in RAH ? we arrived far too late for the riggers to assist for an overhead. >> Ah Well - fond memories? >> Pat >> (The mad Scientist!) >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 <> >> Sent: 19 February 2021 18:40 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <> >> Cc: Mike Jordan <> >> Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >> >> I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. >> Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. >> >> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E >> >> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 17:44:13 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 23:44:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <98088845ACC04CAC868AE74FF78D2AA0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <98088845ACC04CAC868AE74FF78D2AA0@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: It gets curiouser and curiouser and I?m wondering where the address containing ?chit-chat? comes from? When I reply to an omnibus message (as here) or want to start a new one, the address that pops up is tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, which is what I?ve understood to be the general purpose address as opposed to the Announce address for special news only. What I have to remember is to change my default but address to the gmail one or it will shortly be thrown out by the bouncer, Geoff > On 19 Feb 2021, at 18:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I have wondered times many where this Tech-Ops-chit-chat alternative originates. In this instance Alan, because it is where you directed your post, it occupies the 'To' slot when I respond (as now) using 'reply all'. If however I wanted to choose Tech-Ops-chit-chat when starting a new thread, where would I find this pull down list? Apologies for asking something that may be blindingly obvious to others but I am really very poorly versed in this area. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 3:29 PM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Cc: Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. > > FYI, if I had replied to your email simply using Reply, it would have solely replied to you. I never do a Reply to all. If the Reply would by default be going to an individual but I wished to reply to the group, I would change the Send Address to ?Tech Ops Chit Chat?, or something similar that appears on a pull down list, which is what I did here. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:10, David Newbitt wrote: >> >> ?I was curious about the way the 'To' line read on the header of one of Dave Mundy's posts this morning. Don't recall seeing this before. >> >> When I responded via 'Reply All' the same convention showed in the 'To' line. Reply didn't come back back to my own inbox - don't know if it was distributed. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:33 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Cc: Alan Taylor >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. >> >> Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. >>> >>> This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 18:36:21 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 00:36:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0138C556-0EB7-4CBF-B142-9E198A32BFC2@gmail.com> (Having noted the discussions, now just using Reply rather than Reply All on the assumption that the Mike who posed the question will get it anyway), here?s what I think: I?m sure most of us will, in naval gazing moments have pondered the question ?Why are we here??and each of us will have an opinion on it. Apart from the religious aspect that people of faith like me subscribe to, ie that we were put here for a reason as part of the Master Plan, it?s fascinating if not humbling to think that had our either of our parents chosen a different partner or none at all, we wouldn?t have come along. Others would?ve instead, who may now never get to make this trip. The question of timing and place of our birth is also fascinating. It fills me with gladness that I was born when I was and not centuries or millennia before when life would?ve been harder for most of us and shorter, or to have been born into much more challenging circumstances, as many are in war-torn countries- or to be a woman in places where they are truly subservient, to quote just a few examples. For those of us here it may be simply gratitude that we had the jobs and the employer(s) we did. Good old Auntie took care of us while we were under her roof and now in retirement and those who sought their fortunes elsewhere may have been made even better off. I hope this doesn?t sound self-satisfied as even for us, rain sometimes does fall on our parade - and ill-health, infirmity, bereavement or regret that we didn?t choose a different path at some point along the way can affect us all. Fear of dying can be a huge black cloud to any of us, the certainty that one day it will happen, but as has been said, on all of the other days it won?t, so let us enjoy those, many or few that they be and be glad that we have companions along the way, Geoff > On 19 Feb 2021, at 23:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Life needs a little mystery! By the way, why are we here? > > Mike G > > > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 20:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Nope, haven't the faintest. >> >> B >> >> >> >>> On 19/02/2021 20:10, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> I hope I am not misreading the situation regarding posts not received. It seems quite a few reports in recent days are building some sort of picture and here is a further instance ? I only saw Mike Jordan?s Royal Albert Hall post on Pat?s response. Could Bernie perhaps advise whether there is sufficient information already available to him to render this and future occurrences superfluous? >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> From: patheigham via Tech1 >>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:21 PM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Cc: patheigham >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >>> >>> My CV could show that I?ve actually performed in the RAH. >>> This was when I attended Ewell Tech (now NESCOT) before BBC career. There was one period a week where we had to do something different to our normal classes. I joined the Country Dance group ? well it was a way of meeting the girls from the secretarial course! I was a reasonable dancer and got picked to join a Folk Dance jamboree at RAH. A girlfriend who goes to the Proms, gave me a badge that said ?I?ve performed at The Albert Hall? which is proudly pinned on my sunhat! >>> Another ? working job, needed to feed a cable under the arena floor ? not a wonderful task. >>> I used to film boxing matches for ?Sportsview? using two 16mm Auricon cameras ? dreadful stripe mag sound. At York Hall, in east London I could hang an effects mic over the ring for the thud of leather against flesh, but it wasn?t possible for one match in RAH ? we arrived far too late for the riggers to assist for an overhead. >>> Ah Well - fond memories? >>> Pat >>> (The mad Scientist!) >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 >>> Sent: 19 February 2021 18:40 >>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Cc: Mike Jordan >>> Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >>> >>> I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. >>> Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. >>> >>> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E >>> >>> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Sat Feb 20 02:40:20 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:40:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Surely ?chit-chat? is something that was just what Alan names the tech-ops email in his address book? Graham Maunder Sent from my iPhone > On 19 Feb 2021, at 23:44, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?It gets curiouser and curiouser and I?m wondering where the address containing ?chit-chat? comes from? When I reply to an omnibus message (as here) or want to start a new one, the address that pops up is tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, which is what I?ve understood to be the general purpose address as opposed to the Announce address for special news only. > What I have to remember is to change my default but address to the gmail one or it will shortly be thrown out by the bouncer, > > Geoff > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 18:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I have wondered times many where this Tech-Ops-chit-chat alternative originates. In this instance Alan, because it is where you directed your post, it occupies the 'To' slot when I respond (as now) using 'reply all'. If however I wanted to choose Tech-Ops-chit-chat when starting a new thread, where would I find this pull down list? Apologies for asking something that may be blindingly obvious to others but I am really very poorly versed in this area. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 3:29 PM >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Cc: Alan Taylor >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. >> >> FYI, if I had replied to your email simply using Reply, it would have solely replied to you. I never do a Reply to all. If the Reply would by default be going to an individual but I wished to reply to the group, I would change the Send Address to ?Tech Ops Chit Chat?, or something similar that appears on a pull down list, which is what I did here. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:10, David Newbitt wrote: >>> >>> ?I was curious about the way the 'To' line read on the header of one of Dave Mundy's posts this morning. Don't recall seeing this before. >>> >>> When I responded via 'Reply All' the same convention showed in the 'To' line. Reply didn't come back back to my own inbox - don't know if it was distributed. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:33 PM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Cc: Alan Taylor >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. >>> >>> Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. >>>> >>>> This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Feb 20 02:43:04 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 08:43:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: <0138C556-0EB7-4CBF-B142-9E198A32BFC2@gmail.com> References: <0138C556-0EB7-4CBF-B142-9E198A32BFC2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, My question was rhetorical and I really hadn?t expected any answers, let alone at length! Mike (Giles) > On 20 Feb 2021, at 00:36, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?(Having noted the discussions, now just using Reply rather than Reply All on the assumption that the Mike who posed the question will get it anyway), here?s what I think: > > I?m sure most of us will, in naval gazing moments have pondered the question ?Why are we here??and each of us will have an opinion on it. > Apart from the religious aspect that people of faith like me subscribe to, ie that we were put here for a reason as part of the Master Plan, it?s fascinating if not humbling to think that had our either of our parents chosen a different partner or none at all, we wouldn?t have come along. Others would?ve instead, who may now never get to make this trip. > The question of timing and place of our birth is also fascinating. It fills me with gladness that I was born when I was and not centuries or millennia before when life would?ve been harder for most of us and shorter, or to have been born into much more challenging circumstances, as many are in war-torn countries- or to be a woman in places where they are truly subservient, to quote just a few examples. > For those of us here it may be simply gratitude that we had the jobs and the employer(s) we did. Good old Auntie took care of us while we were under her roof and now in retirement and those who sought their fortunes elsewhere may have been made even better off. > I hope this doesn?t sound self-satisfied as even for us, rain sometimes does fall on our parade - and ill-health, infirmity, bereavement or regret that we didn?t choose a different path at some point along the way can affect us all. > Fear of dying can be a huge black cloud to any of us, the certainty that one day it will happen, but as has been said, on all of the other days it won?t, so let us enjoy those, many or few that they be and be glad that we have companions along the way, > > Geoff > >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 23:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?Life needs a little mystery! By the way, why are we here? >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 20:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Nope, haven't the faintest. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 19/02/2021 20:10, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>> I hope I am not misreading the situation regarding posts not received. It seems quite a few reports in recent days are building some sort of picture and here is a further instance ? I only saw Mike Jordan?s Royal Albert Hall post on Pat?s response. Could Bernie perhaps advise whether there is sufficient information already available to him to render this and future occurrences superfluous? >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> From: patheigham via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:21 PM >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Cc: patheigham >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >>>> >>>> My CV could show that I?ve actually performed in the RAH. >>>> This was when I attended Ewell Tech (now NESCOT) before BBC career. There was one period a week where we had to do something different to our normal classes. I joined the Country Dance group ? well it was a way of meeting the girls from the secretarial course! I was a reasonable dancer and got picked to join a Folk Dance jamboree at RAH. A girlfriend who goes to the Proms, gave me a badge that said ?I?ve performed at The Albert Hall? which is proudly pinned on my sunhat! >>>> Another ? working job, needed to feed a cable under the arena floor ? not a wonderful task. >>>> I used to film boxing matches for ?Sportsview? using two 16mm Auricon cameras ? dreadful stripe mag sound. At York Hall, in east London I could hang an effects mic over the ring for the thud of leather against flesh, but it wasn?t possible for one match in RAH ? we arrived far too late for the riggers to assist for an overhead. >>>> Ah Well - fond memories? >>>> Pat >>>> (The mad Scientist!) >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 19 February 2021 18:40 >>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>> Cc: Mike Jordan >>>> Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >>>> >>>> I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. >>>> Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. >>>> >>>> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E >>>> >>>> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Feb 20 03:09:29 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:09:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37A517C7-05AC-477F-BCB3-B97AEE6E25CF@me.com> I?ve no idea where the tech Ops chit chat thing originated, but I sort of like the idea. More than twenty years ago I was involved with a forum for Apple Macintosh users. Conceptually it was different to this group because it wasn?t an email list, but an online forum with threaded topics. As always with special interest groups, people end up chatting about all manner of subjects which were not strictly related to the official topic. Some people were annoyed that the serious stuff was muddled up with the frivolous stuff. My solution was to split the forum into two parts, Mac and Tosh. Mac was for technical topics and Tosh was for everything else. Moderators had to occasionally transfer a thread to the other forum as that thread developed. I?m not proposing such a change here, but merely noting that going off on tangents is a sign of an active and healthy group of lively minds. Alan Taylor > On 19 Feb 2021, at 23:44, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?It gets curiouser and curiouser and I?m wondering where the address containing ?chit-chat? comes from? When I reply to an omnibus message (as here) or want to start a new one, the address that pops up is tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, which is what I?ve understood to be the general purpose address as opposed to the Announce address for special news only. > What I have to remember is to change my default but address to the gmail one or it will shortly be thrown out by the bouncer, > > Geoff > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 18:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I have wondered times many where this Tech-Ops-chit-chat alternative originates. In this instance Alan, because it is where you directed your post, it occupies the 'To' slot when I respond (as now) using 'reply all'. If however I wanted to choose Tech-Ops-chit-chat when starting a new thread, where would I find this pull down list? Apologies for asking something that may be blindingly obvious to others but I am really very poorly versed in this area. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 3:29 PM >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Cc: Alan Taylor >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. >> >> FYI, if I had replied to your email simply using Reply, it would have solely replied to you. I never do a Reply to all. If the Reply would by default be going to an individual but I wished to reply to the group, I would change the Send Address to ?Tech Ops Chit Chat?, or something similar that appears on a pull down list, which is what I did here. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:10, David Newbitt wrote: >>> >>> ?I was curious about the way the 'To' line read on the header of one of Dave Mundy's posts this morning. Don't recall seeing this before. >>> >>> When I responded via 'Reply All' the same convention showed in the 'To' line. Reply didn't come back back to my own inbox - don't know if it was distributed. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:33 PM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Cc: Alan Taylor >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. >>> >>> Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. >>>> >>>> This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 04:00:59 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:00:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Admin re chit chat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0a966c03-5c58-3adc-0139-18aa81e07d00@gmail.com> Yes, it certainly comes from someone's address book.? The actual address, in the very unlikely case that anyone doesn't know, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk. It has 246 members.? And the announcement address, which has 328 members, is announce at tech-ops.co.uk. I do wonder if you're all still out there. 246 people is quite a few, given that there are probably no more than about 20 active posters most of the time. As to the on-going stuff about email reception, I'm not planning on doing anything else, as I don't know what to do.? If someone does some research and comes up with an idea, I could give that a go. In the meantime, let's call that thread closed for a while, please. And Mr Heigham - get yourself a proper email client, before I institute a spamming campaign. Either that or stop complaining about the one you have. B On 20/02/2021 08:40, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > Surely ?chit-chat? is something that was just what Alan names the tech-ops email in his address book? > > Graham Maunder > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 19 Feb 2021, at 23:44, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?It gets curiouser and curiouser and I?m wondering where the address containing ?chit-chat? comes from? When I reply to an omnibus message (as here) or want to start a new one, the address that pops up is tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, which is what I?ve understood to be the general purpose address as opposed to the Announce address for special news only. >> What I have to remember is to change my default but address to the gmail one or it will shortly be thrown out by the bouncer, >> >> Geoff >> >>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 18:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I have wondered times many where this Tech-Ops-chit-chat alternative originates. In this instance Alan, because it is where you directed your post, it occupies the 'To' slot when I respond (as now) using 'reply all'. If however I wanted to choose Tech-Ops-chit-chat when starting a new thread, where would I find this pull down list? Apologies for asking something that may be blindingly obvious to others but I am really very poorly versed in this area. >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 3:29 PM >>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Cc: Alan Taylor >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. >>> >>> FYI, if I had replied to your email simply using Reply, it would have solely replied to you. I never do a Reply to all. If the Reply would by default be going to an individual but I wished to reply to the group, I would change the Send Address to ?Tech Ops Chit Chat?, or something similar that appears on a pull down list, which is what I did here. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 15:10, David Newbitt wrote: >>>> ?I was curious about the way the 'To' line read on the header of one of Dave Mundy's posts this morning. Don't recall seeing this before. >>>> >>>> When I responded via 'Reply All' the same convention showed in the 'To' line. Reply didn't come back back to my own inbox - don't know if it was distributed. >>>> >>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 2:33 PM >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Cc: Alan Taylor >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. >>>> >>>> Not only did it appear, but a simple Reply was all that was needed to reply to the group rather than just to you. I?ve noticed that happen on every post I?ve replied to in the last few days. Has Bernie changed something, or are people addressing posts differently? >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 14:17, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?A few replies I've made recently haven't appeared. >>>>> >>>>> This is simply one using all the address in my book, rather than a reply. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 04:12:00 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 10:12:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8825471E-7A23-4006-80A9-60B6635F9899@gmail.com> I thought it was probably just a throwaway line, Mike but couldn?t resist doing a dissertation on it and that you and the others could take it or leave it - or even add one of their own if they felt like it, Regards, Geoff > On 20 Feb 2021, at 08:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi Geoff, > > My question was rhetorical and I really hadn?t expected any answers, let alone at length! > > Mike (Giles) > >>> On 20 Feb 2021, at 00:36, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ?(Having noted the discussions, now just using Reply rather than Reply All on the assumption that the Mike who posed the question will get it anyway), here?s what I think: >> >> I?m sure most of us will, in naval gazing moments have pondered the question ?Why are we here??and each of us will have an opinion on it. >> Apart from the religious aspect that people of faith like me subscribe to, ie that we were put here for a reason as part of the Master Plan, it?s fascinating if not humbling to think that had our either of our parents chosen a different partner or none at all, we wouldn?t have come along. Others would?ve instead, who may now never get to make this trip. >> The question of timing and place of our birth is also fascinating. It fills me with gladness that I was born when I was and not centuries or millennia before when life would?ve been harder for most of us and shorter, or to have been born into much more challenging circumstances, as many are in war-torn countries- or to be a woman in places where they are truly subservient, to quote just a few examples. >> For those of us here it may be simply gratitude that we had the jobs and the employer(s) we did. Good old Auntie took care of us while we were under her roof and now in retirement and those who sought their fortunes elsewhere may have been made even better off. >> I hope this doesn?t sound self-satisfied as even for us, rain sometimes does fall on our parade - and ill-health, infirmity, bereavement or regret that we didn?t choose a different path at some point along the way can affect us all. >> Fear of dying can be a huge black cloud to any of us, the certainty that one day it will happen, but as has been said, on all of the other days it won?t, so let us enjoy those, many or few that they be and be glad that we have companions along the way, >> >> Geoff >> >>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 23:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ?Life needs a little mystery! By the way, why are we here? >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 19 Feb 2021, at 20:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Nope, haven't the faintest. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 19/02/2021 20:10, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> I hope I am not misreading the situation regarding posts not received. It seems quite a few reports in recent days are building some sort of picture and here is a further instance ? I only saw Mike Jordan?s Royal Albert Hall post on Pat?s response. Could Bernie perhaps advise whether there is sufficient information already available to him to render this and future occurrences superfluous? >>>>> >>>>> Dave Newbitt. >>>>> >>>>> From: patheigham via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 7:21 PM >>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Cc: patheigham >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >>>>> >>>>> My CV could show that I?ve actually performed in the RAH. >>>>> This was when I attended Ewell Tech (now NESCOT) before BBC career. There was one period a week where we had to do something different to our normal classes. I joined the Country Dance group ? well it was a way of meeting the girls from the secretarial course! I was a reasonable dancer and got picked to join a Folk Dance jamboree at RAH. A girlfriend who goes to the Proms, gave me a badge that said ?I?ve performed at The Albert Hall? which is proudly pinned on my sunhat! >>>>> Another ? working job, needed to feed a cable under the arena floor ? not a wonderful task. >>>>> I used to film boxing matches for ?Sportsview? using two 16mm Auricon cameras ? dreadful stripe mag sound. At York Hall, in east London I could hang an effects mic over the ring for the thud of leather against flesh, but it wasn?t possible for one match in RAH ? we arrived far too late for the riggers to assist for an overhead. >>>>> Ah Well - fond memories? >>>>> Pat >>>>> (The mad Scientist!) >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: 19 February 2021 18:40 >>>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>>>> Cc: Mike Jordan >>>>> Subject: [Tech1] A new look around the Royal Albert Hall >>>>> >>>>> I know many of us have worked there (including rigging the roof!) but these may show you parts of the building we never reached so are very interesting. >>>>> Not included is the old Lines Termination Room/camera cable connectors (G101!) that was also quite familiar to many of us. >>>>> >>>>> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-1?fbclid=IwAR2juRHwsxXG0Mjt7aQ2iSP7XcelZxLVxguLTtou4M7SmgekJIBr8WKzL1E >>>>> >>>>> https://londonist.com/london/secret/behind-the-scenes-at-the-royal-albert-hall-part-2 >>>>> >>>>> Mike >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 05:18:39 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 11:18:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interviewing techniques Message-ID: In the Facebook BBC Alumni Network group someone asked about interviewing techniques, for material for a BBC Academy thing he's setting up.? Lots of sensible advice from people who are or have been professionals in the area. Somewhere in the middle is this contribution - *Louise Bourner - */For docs - basic counselling/active listening skills: risk assess motivations, informed consent, reflection, // //silence, empathy, eye contact, non-judgement, encouraging non-verbal cues. Avoid written questions // //where possible but mentally edit so you can allow enough time and space to achieve what you both need// //?from the experience. Consider the power dynamic and the repercussions for the contributor post interview, // //TX and social media impact. Minimize risks and offer support at all stages./ If it wasn't a little obscure I'd send to to Private Eye for Pseuds Corner. All those years I did that stuff and never knew. Actually, to be fair, most of it is sort of the right stuff, just strained through an HR bollocks filter. A more sensible contribution - *Benetta Adamson - */?Don't let your interviewee tell you the story before you turn over. It's easy to do while everyone's getting set// //?up but you'll get "As I mentioned/as I said before" in the answers. Don't let the crew do it either - soundies will // //often chat as they place personal mics etc, but make sure the chat is off-topic. You want your interviewee to // //be telling you something new and important, not something they've gone over and over. /B // -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Errors-To: tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk Sender: "Tech1" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - shared105.accountservergroup.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - puddifoot.me X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tech-ops.co.uk X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1lD1Hy-000lCG-1v X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: (shared105.accountservergroup.com) [127.0.0.1]:58439 X-Source-Auth: techops X-Email-Count: 303 X-Source-Cap: dGVjaG9wczt0ZWNob3BzO3NoYXJlZDEwNS5hY2NvdW50c2VydmVyZ3JvdXAuY29t X-Local-Domain: yes X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 210219-0, 19/02/2021), Inbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean VGhvc2Ugb2YgdXMgYnJvdWdodCB1cCBvbiBIb3JuYmxvd2VyIGtuZXcgYWJvdXQgaXQuCgpHcmFl bWUgV2FsbAoKPiBPbiAxOSBGZWIgMjAyMSwgYXQgMDA6MzAsIGRhdmUubWR2IHZpYSBUZWNoMSA8 dGVjaDFAdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWs+IHdyb3RlOgo+IAo+IO+7v0ZvciB0aGUgdmVyeSBmaXJzdCB0 aW1lIHRoYXQgSSBjYW4gcmVtZW1iZXIgSmVyZW15IHdyb3RlIGFuIGFydGljbGUgaW4gdGhlIFNU IGxhc3Qgd2VlayB0aGF0IGRlc2VydmVkIGJlaW5nIHNlbnQgdG8gZXZlcnkgc2Nob29sJ3MgaGlz dG9yeSB0ZWFjaGVyISBJIG5ldmVyIGtuZXcgYW55dGhpbmcgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHNsYXZlIHJlc2N1 aW5nIHRoYXQgdGhlIEJyaXRpc2ggbmF2eSBkaWQgYW5kIGkgZG9uJ3Qgc3VwcG9zZSBtYW55IG90 aGVyIHBlb3BsZSBkaWQgYXMgd2VsbC4gQ2hlZXJzLCBEYXZlCj4gCj4gPFNsYXZlcnkuanBnPgo+ IC0tIAo+IFRlY2gxIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdAo+IFRlY2gxQHRlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrCj4gaHR0cDov L3RlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdGVjaDFfdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWsKCi0t IApUZWNoMSBtYWlsaW5nIGxpc3QKVGVjaDFAdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWsKaHR0cDovL3RlY2gtb3Bz LmNvLnVrL21haWxtYW4vbGlzdGluZm8vdGVjaDFfdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWsK I have highlighted all references to an email address, there are twenty six. Your email program will search this to decide what it puts in the ?TO? and ?CC? boxes, and each different program will do it slightly differently. Mailman then examines your equally complicated header to decide who gets it. Mailman definitely has a routine that will stop you getting a newly posted email if it thinks that you have been sent it by a different route. For example by being in the ?CC? box. This can be set separately for each individual account, but I think is turned on by default. The problem may be buried in there some where. I am also intrigued by the first line. ?Return-Path: ?. I wonder if some email programs are choosing this as their main ?TO? address. If so I think the post will just drop into a black hole. It seems this is compounded by the fact that the better a programmer is at writing software, the worst they are at explaining how to use it. To say that the instructions for Mailman are obtuse is an understatement. I do believe however there is something YOU can do to ensure that your posts are received by everyone. Your email should be sent to one address only. Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk. NOTHING else in the ?TO? and NOTHING in the ?CC? or ?BCC? boxes. I think that will stop Mailman being confused. If you are replying to someone, they will see your post from Tech1 Trying to find an answer to this problem is like wading through treacle, so as Bernie says, let?s give it a rest. Doug From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 10:00 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] Admin re chit chat Yes, it certainly comes from someone's address book. The actual address, in the very unlikely case that anyone doesn't know, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk. It has 246 members. And the announcement address, which has 328 members, is announce at tech-ops.co.uk. I do wonder if you're all still out there. 246 people is quite a few, given that there are probably no more than about 20 active posters most of the time. As to the on-going stuff about email reception, I'm not planning on doing anything else, as I don't know what to do. If someone does some research and comes up with an idea, I could give that a go. In the meantime, let's call that thread closed for a while, please. And Mr Heigham - get yourself a proper email client, before I institute a spamming campaign. Either that or stop complaining about the one you have. B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Feb 20 06:06:35 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:06:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5901bb9371davesound@btinternet.com> Very simple answer. The screens would have been blank without us for about 50 years. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Feb 20 06:10:50 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:10:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5901bbf689davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > Surely ?chit-chat? is something that was just what Alan names the > tech-ops email in his address book? What you call anything in your own email address book should not be visible to others? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Feb 20 06:18:01 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:18:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: <5901bb9371davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5901bb9371davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1A4723AA-EDA5-4C6B-914B-363770437A28@icloud.com> As the old song has it, We?re here because we?re here because? ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Feb 2021, at 12:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Very simple answer. The screens would have been blank without us for about > 50 years. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sat Feb 20 06:26:48 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:26:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Software developers and user manuals In-Reply-To: References: <0a966c03-5c58-3adc-0139-18aa81e07d00@gmail.com> Message-ID: <578ad9c4-7bc0-ee78-9fb0-ae92223fef51@gmail.com> Hi all, On 20/02/2021 11:33, Puddifoot(Doug) via Tech1 wrote: > It seems this is compounded by the fact that the better a programmer > is at writing software, the worst they are at explaining how to use it. Having worked as a Technical Author and Quality Manager in the IT industry sine quitting secondary school teaching in 1985,? I can only echo Doug's sentiment.? Qualified by two stories: As a Member of the Institute of Quality Assurance I attended a number of local group seminars. One was introduced with a screen grab of the first form of a Graphical User Interface, and the challenge was to find any errors in this one form.I found in excess of 30 (thirty) errors of style, or expected behaviour etc etc.? Both Windows and Linux (X-Widows) had style guides, saying what was expected on each menu dropdown, for example, and what behaviour should happen when the Windows controls were pressed.? i think that things have generally got better over the years, but it was clear that some software engineers had not got to grips with standards for presentation etc etc - there are still some massive howlers out there. As a Technical Author, I had to produce manuals for the use of the product.? This product included some 13 dynamically linked libraries that the customers could use to extend the functionality of the basic product.? Each library (dll) contained a large number of procedure calls (lets say 100 for example).? We were committed to release the product in short time spans - networking in the 1990s was undergoing huge changes in a matter of weeks... To try to address this issue, I wrote a number of scripts which went through the software, abstracted the procedure calls and the software developer's comments, formatted this lot into the standard format for the manuals (our Quality standards insisted that all code was commented).? Well, you can guess... there were some developers comments which were abstruse in the extreme (tale against myself:: one of my comments in the code read something like "shouldn't have had a glass of red wine with the chilli prawn linguini ...").. We tidied up the auto retrieved comments as best we could, but took the view that these particular DLL manuals were for software developers by software developers. Our user manuals were written from scratch, by the Technical Authors just trying to use the software and going to ask the developers "what's going on here?"? The User manuals were written, therefore, by "product naive " users, not engineers. -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 20 07:14:18 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:14:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: <5901bb9371davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5901bb9371davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7@mx.google.com> And no TV? Thank goodness for miniature TV cameras. I have had three internal surveys ? two for throat and stomach, and one for my backside. Without TV, it would have been invasive surgery to have a gander. The lovely lady surgeon for the latter invited me to watch, on a 42? Hi-Def monitor, full Technicolor, but no sound! Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 20 February 2021 12:12 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? Very simple answer. The screens would have been blank without us for about 50 years. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Feb 20 07:20:58 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:20:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7@mx.google.com> References: <5901bb9371davesound@btinternet.com> <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have said it before but we were there. We all have made a significant contribution to British culture (call it what you like) but above all the nations culture, wellbeing and ideas. In a word LEGACY. Well done everyone. AB > On 20 Feb 2021, at 13:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > And no TV? > Thank goodness for miniature TV cameras. > I have had three internal surveys ? two for throat and stomach, and one for my backside. Without TV, it would have been invasive surgery to have a gander. > The lovely lady surgeon for the latter invited me to watch, on a 42? Hi-Def monitor, full Technicolor, but no sound! > Pat H > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 20 February 2021 12:12 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Dave Plowman > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? > > Very simple answer. The screens would have been blank without us for about > 50 years. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sat Feb 20 07:23:53 2021 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:23:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Feb 20 07:25:36 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:25:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7@mx.google.com> References: <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Good job you didn?t say you have a boom microphone, she might have mis-heard it as bum microphone and that could have been very painful. Alan Taylor > On 20 Feb 2021, at 13:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > The lovely lady surgeon for the latter invited me to watch, on a 42? Hi-Def monitor, full Technicolor, but no sound! > Pat H > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 20 07:32:33 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:32:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interviewing techniques In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60310f71.1c69fb81.cd7a7.9396@mx.google.com> If it?s an on-camera I/V, make sure that the interviewer is miked up and on another track. Should there be a follow-up question, it?s really poor to hear a remote, disembodied voice. I recorded an interview for Margaret Dale with Natalia (Natasha) Makarova, for a ballet programme. Margaret asked me to turn over on the pre-I/V chat. Makarova eventually asked when we would begin. Margaret said that she had got everything she needed ? we had already done it! I was impressed with the I/V technique, the interviewee was relaxed, fluent, unaware that the mike was live. Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 20 February 2021 11:18 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] Interviewing techniques In the Facebook BBC Alumni Network group someone asked about interviewing techniques, for material for a BBC Academy thing he's setting up.? Lots of sensible advice from people who are or have been professionals in the area. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Sat Feb 20 07:39:09 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:39:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <5901bbf689davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5901bbf689davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3DBFFD1E-7A42-4B03-BEC4-6C8533D5301B@icloud.com> Dave Sadly I know from the past that your own naming CAN appear in the e-mail path somewhere. A client that I had down as ?cheap wanker? declined to give us any work when he noticed it once! Didn?t really care because he was.....! Graham Maunder Sent from my iPhone > On 20 Feb 2021, at 12:12, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article , > Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: >> Surely ?chit-chat? is something that was just what Alan names the >> tech-ops email in his address book? > > What you call anything in your own email address book should not be > visible to others? > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Feb 20 07:45:19 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:45:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Admin re chit chat In-Reply-To: <0a966c03-5c58-3adc-0139-18aa81e07d00@gmail.com> References: <0a966c03-5c58-3adc-0139-18aa81e07d00@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6031126f.1c69fb81.1a871.61f2@mx.google.com> Apologies, Bernie, but as an ?old codger? I?m entitled to a whinge! (currently attempting to adopt Outlook). Speaking of old codgers, I?m reminded of a Morecambe and Wise sketch: Two Old Codgers sitting on a park bench, Ern: ? It?s nice out, isn?t it?? Eric: ?Yes, I think I?ll leave mine out a bit longer? Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 20 February 2021 10:01 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSpeaking of ?old Codgers Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] Admin re chit chat And Mr Heigham - get yourself a proper email client, before I institute a spamming campaign. Either that or stop complaining about the one you have. B ?? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sat Feb 20 07:50:17 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug)) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:50:17 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In-Reply-To: <5901bbf689davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5901bbf689davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3C13745E6D4E4D4DB8B80A815673AB0C@NewOffice> This is down to the way your email programme lists addresses in the header of emails it sends. Look at this section from my last post. Cc: Graeme Wall , Richard , Phil , Dave , Pete , Dave Graeme's email program has included a name as well as the address of the person it is going to. Presumably this is how the information is stored in his Contacts Doug -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2021 12:10 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test - yet another. In article , Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > Surely ?chit-chat? is something that was just what Alan names the > tech-ops email in his address book? What you call anything in your own email address book should not be visible to others? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Feb 20 08:36:50 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:36:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Why Are We Here? In-Reply-To: <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7@mx.google.com> References: <5901bb9371davesound@btinternet.com> <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5901c9543adavesound@btinternet.com> In article <60310b2a.1c69fb81.56a2.32a7 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > And no TV? Thank goodness for miniature TV cameras. I have had three > internal surveys ? two for throat and stomach, and one for my backside. > Without TV, it would have been invasive surgery to have a gander. The > lovely lady surgeon for the latter invited me to watch, on a 42? Hi-Def > monitor, full Technicolor, but no sound! No cystoscopy? That's where they take a look inside your bladder for cancer, etc. Hands up those who haven't crossed their legs. ;-) BTW, it's totally painless. Couldn't bring myself to watch it being done, but was fascinated by the pictures. Slight discomfort peeing for a few hours afterwards was the only side effect. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 09:11:02 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 15:11:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sounds of the Sixties Message-ID: I was watching this on Yesterday yesterday. The last of the series, and nearly the last clip, was this very famous Jimi Hendrix piece on the Lulu Show. If you don't know the story of this, and other clips from the same time..... There was an engineer called Bob Pratt. His job was to change the heads on 2" machines, and he came in at 6am, two hours before everyone else. His passion was rock music, and he knew that the BBC was endlessly wiping tapes for reuse. He had "obtained" some 90' 2" tapes which he hid under the flooring. When he saw something he liked, he copied it off to one of his tapes.? And there they stayed for a long time, because of contracts and unions. Eventually Mrs Thatcher came along with her handbag, and the tapes were now precious relics to be shown again.? Very little BBC rock music recording from the sixties would still exist without Bob Pratt. Dave Jeffcock produced the series, a few years after he'd been my trainee. Now freelance, he told me that every time they showed the series he got a repeat fee, just like the musicians. Good for his pension now. Anyway, this is a frame from the last shot. If you look down in the right hand corner you can see Ron Green with his EMI 203 on the front of the Nike.? if with your imagination you look further right about six inches on your screen (or rather off it), you'll see me doing my cable bashing. I'm pleased to say for the rest of the series I tracked the Nike - 28 bars round two sides of TC4 on the opening shot, and then pretty much unscripted for the rest of the show. Dave segued into Sunshine of your Life with Cream at the RAH. It's terribly messy recording. I think maybe whoever directed it had been sharing substances with the group beforehand. You can tell it's a BBC OB, because of the few frames showing a camera. I can't imagine he could here a word from the scanner B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I do hope his collection of BBC broadcast pop is still safe Cheers Sue former BBCTV Archive Selector ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Cc: "Bernard Newnham" Sent: Sunday, 21 Feb, 21 At 15:11 Subject: [Tech1] Sounds of the Sixties I was watching this on Yesterday yesterday. The last of the series, and nearly the last clip, was this very famous Jimi Hendrix piece on the Lulu Show. If you don't know the story of this, and other clips from the same time..... There was an engineer called Bob Pratt. His job was to change the heads on 2" machines, and he came in at 6am, two hours before everyone else. His passion was rock music, and he knew that the BBC was endlessly wiping tapes for reuse. He had "obtained" some 90' 2" tapes which he hid under the flooring. When he saw something he liked, he copied it off to one of his tapes. And there they stayed for a long time, because of contracts and unions. Eventually Mrs Thatcher came along with her handbag, and the tapes were now precious relics to be shown again. Very little BBC rock music recording from the sixties would still exist without Bob Pratt. Dave Jeffcock produced the series, a few years after he'd been my trainee. Now freelance, he told me that every time they showed the series he got a repeat fee, just like the musicians. Good for his pension now. Anyway, this is a frame from the last shot. If you look down in the right hand corner you can see Ron Green with his EMI 203 on the front of the Nike. if with your imagination you look further right about six inches on your screen (or rather off it), you'll see me doing my cable bashing. I'm pleased to say for the rest of the series I tracked the Nike - 28 bars round two sides of TC4 on the opening shot, and then pretty much unscripted for the rest of the show. Dave segued into Sunshine of your Life with Cream at the RAH. It's terribly messy recording. I think maybe whoever directed it had been sharing substances with the group beforehand. You can tell it's a BBC OB, because of the few frames showing a camera. I can't imagine he could here a word from the scanner B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: cepdmbkgjagebofb.png Type: image/png Size: 795059 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick never did, but > turned up a year or two ago at a BFI Missing Believed Wipe event with > Kaleidoscope at which he released a couple of his tapes. I do hope his > collection of BBC broadcast pop is still safe > > > Cheers Sue > > former BBCTV Archive Selector > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Sun Feb 21 14:07:57 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 20:07:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TS1 and/or TS2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ORP24s_P8Vhu87bhM8EZNPE66hboICayzpl57GbRRcnKFZlVQiKYsL_qS6UVatA8N7bupwMswZvjbgZEtHJdatRyrS6CHwjY3krvP0zTZ4=@protonmail.com> Thanks for that Neil, but I was fairly sure TS2 did a few locations in anger before it went off to Belfast, although so long ago, I wouldn't like to place money on it. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Thursday, 18 February 2021 21:47, Neil Dormand wrote: > Tony > > TS2 ended up in Northern Ireland if I remember rightly. > > It was a TV Projects cockup so I don?t recall it being used in anger whilst at Lime Grove. > > Best Wishes > > Neil > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of techtone via Tech1 > Sent: 18 February 2021 20:37 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Cc: techtone > Subject: [Tech1] TS1 and/or TS2 > > Having been asked about Lime Grove and PSC, I wondered if any of you had pics of either TS1 or TS2? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Suitably chastened, I was somewhat more subdued when pointing out that we didn't have any of the necessary equipment to work into an OB unit (long before TS! had been thought about), and again I was berated, since we were SINGLE camera units, bringing tapes back to LG. Andy Prince will recall that two weeks after PSC started, he, I and Dave Batt were in Paris working live into a Pebble Mill OB unit, who thought we were complete amateurs without all the necessary interfaces, but who, alongside Andy, pulled out all the stops to accommodate us, and it all went swimmingly well (well Bob Marsland, who was directing, thought so too!). The photo of TS1 much appreciated, but sadly as I don't go anywhere anti-social media such as Faceache, Twaddle or Instacrap, I am unlikely to access any other of his pics. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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B On 21/02/2021 20:24, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > Glad to hear that Andy's still around, he was a real tip-top guy when > it came to sorting things out, and making it look so easy! > > When we were setting up the PSC units before Breakfast Time went on > the air, we were making sure all the equipment was operational, and we > were familiar with its operation.?Muggins was examining bits and bobs, > and pointed out that we didn't have red triangles, spare headlight > bulbs, etc. for any continental travel, and I got shot down in flames, > as the units were only for local use, and unlikely to travel outside > the M25. Suitably chastened, I was somewhat more subdued when pointing > out that we didn't have any of the necessary equipment to work into an > OB unit (long before TS! had been thought about), and again I was > berated, since we were SINGLE camera units, bringing tapes back to LG. > > Andy Prince will recall that two weeks after PSC started, he, I and > Dave Batt were in Paris working live into a Pebble Mill OB unit, who > thought we were complete amateurs without all the necessary > interfaces, but who, alongside Andy, pulled out all the stops to > accommodate us, and it all went swimmingly well (well Bob Marsland, > who was directing, thought so too!). > > The photo of TS1 much appreciated, but sadly as I don't go anywhere > anti-social media such as Faceache, Twaddle or Instacrap, I am > unlikely to access any other of his pics. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The reason is that the recording from one week was used several times, and I'm in the back of the wide shot wearing my corduroy jacket cheers B On 21/02/2021 17:05, SUSAN MALDEN wrote: p{margin:0}Hi Bernie Thanks so much - I had many "discussions" with Bob and Nick Maingay who had a similar collection. Bob eventually handed his tapes over to the archive - I hope they have not lost them!!! Nick never did, but turned up a year or two ago at a BFI Missing Believed Wipe event with Kaleidoscope at which he released a couple of his tapes. I do hope his collection of BBC broadcast pop is still safe Cheers Sue former BBCTV Archive Selector -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 22 06:20:45 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 12:20:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail Message-ID: A quick test from my Windows 10 laptop using Microsoft (Office) 365 Outlook. It took about 60 seconds to set up following the easy instructions. And an opportunity to mention that I just got a WhatsApp message from my younger daughter to say she's got the Queen's live-in carpet fitter (who knew?!) in her ward at CCH at the moment. His given address: Buckingham Palace (just so you know we have friends in high places - even if he does spend his life grovelling on HM's floor!). Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware, m.i.p.s. Tel: 01483-276238 - Mob: 07802-246088 Copper Beech, 5, Homewood, Cranleigh, Surrey, GU6 7HS AVG virus checked. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Feb 22 07:16:56 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:16:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5902c9b034davesound@btinternet.com> Well, looking at the headers, it has Cc yourself. Unless it is this forum that alters things. Does Outlook give you the option of adding a sig.separator before your sig? Compliant software will then remove it when quoting. Not that this generally works on here. ;-) In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > A quick test from my Windows 10 laptop using Microsoft (Office) 365 > Outlook. It took about 60 seconds to set up following the easy > instructions. And an opportunity to mention that I just got a WhatsApp > message from my younger daughter to say she's got the Queen's live-in > carpet fitter (who knew?!) in her ward at CCH at the moment. His given > address: Buckingham Palace (just so you know we have friends in high > places - even if he does spend his life grovelling on HM's floor!). > Cheers, Nick. > Nick Ware, m.i.p.s. Tel: 01483-276238 - Mob: 07802-246088 > Copper Beech, 5, Homewood, Cranleigh, Surrey, GU6 7HS > AVG virus checked. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 22 07:25:18 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 13:25:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6033b0be.1c69fb81.19940.fb33@mx.google.com> I don?t think it?s the greatest idea to have all your contact info put into the footer. An open invitation for scammers to badger you with electronic and postal nonsense. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 22 February 2021 12:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail A quick test from my Windows 10 laptop using Microsoft (Office) 365 Outlook. It took about 60 seconds to set up following the easy instructions. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 08:11:43 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:11:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've turned off something called DKIM.?? I don't know whether that interferes at all - I hadn't heard of it before today.? If bad things happen, let me know B On 22/02/2021 12:20, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > A quick test from my Windows 10 laptop using Microsoft (Office) 365 > Outlook. It took about 60 seconds to set up following the easy > instructions. > > And an opportunity to mention that I just got a WhatsApp message from > my younger daughter to say she?s got the Queen?s live-in carpet fitter > (who knew?!) in her ward at CCH at the moment. His given address: > Buckingham Palace (just so you know we have friends in high places ? > even if he does spend his life grovelling on HM?s floor!). > > Cheers, > > Nick. > > Nick Ware, m.i.p.s. Tel: 01483-276238 ? Mob: 07802-246088 > > Copper Beech, 5, Homewood, Cranleigh, Surrey, GU6 7HS > > AVG virus checked. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Feb 22 08:33:23 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:33:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bernie - It apparently stands for DomainKeys Identified Mail, according to Wikipedia. Supposed to help identify scam/ fraud originators, but I have now reached the limit of my knowledge..... Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 22 Feb 2021, at 14:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I've turned off something called DKIM. I don't know whether that interferes at all - I hadn't heard of it before today. If bad things happen, let me know > > B > > > > On 22/02/2021 12:20, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> A quick test from my Windows 10 laptop using Microsoft (Office) 365 Outlook. It took about 60 seconds to set up following the easy instructions. >> And an opportunity to mention that I just got a WhatsApp message from my younger daughter to say she?s got the Queen?s live-in carpet fitter (who knew?!) in her ward at CCH at the moment. His given address: Buckingham Palace (just so you know we have friends in high places ? even if he does spend his life grovelling on HM?s floor!). >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware, m.i.p.s. Tel: 01483-276238 ? Mob: 07802-246088 >> Copper Beech, 5, Homewood, Cranleigh, Surrey, GU6 7HS >> AVG virus checked. >> >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Feb 22 08:34:32 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:34:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <878FE3D2-0CBE-47C3-A41C-A99AE2F10867@me.com> There?s an article on Wiki about DomainKeys Identified Mail. I only mention it in the hope that somebody understands it because I certainly don?t. I have noticed that for the last few days messages being received here have shown that they are from FredBloggs via Tech1, but pressing Reply just sends it to Tech1, which is what I believe most people expect to happen. If we want to reply to somebody directly and off-list, we would need to adjust the To field accordingly, which seems perfect to me. Whether that?s anything to do with the changed setting for DKIM is something for a clever clogs to work out. Vaguely related to that and also concerning email scams, today I got an email purporting to come from my Domain Name suppler, asking me to verify my login details. Of course the address which it wanted to verify those details was nothing like the address of the genuine company. I gnored the email, but thought it best to warn the company about the scam, but they don?t publish a contact email address, just a telephone number. I don?t plan to wait to get through to a call centre for something like that, especially as ban email would have permitted me to attach the scam email for their inspection. I?m really surprised that tech companies want to use telephones as the primary means for contacts. Alan Taylor > On 22 Feb 2021, at 14:12, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I've turned off something called DKIM. I don't know whether that interferes at all - I hadn't heard of it before today. If bad things happen, let me know > > B > > > > On 22/02/2021 12:20, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> A quick test from my Windows 10 laptop using Microsoft (Office) 365 Outlook. It took about 60 seconds to set up following the easy instructions. >> And an opportunity to mention that I just got a WhatsApp message from my younger daughter to say she?s got the Queen?s live-in carpet fitter (who knew?!) in her ward at CCH at the moment. His given address: Buckingham Palace (just so you know we have friends in high places ? even if he does spend his life grovelling on HM?s floor!). >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware, m.i.p.s. Tel: 01483-276238 ? Mob: 07802-246088 >> Copper Beech, 5, Homewood, Cranleigh, Surrey, GU6 7HS >> AVG virus checked. >> >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Mon Feb 22 09:23:34 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:23:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail In-Reply-To: <6033b0be.1c69fb81.19940.fb33@mx.google.com> References: <6033b0be.1c69fb81.19940.fb33@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the expert advice. It?s a signature, not a footer, and I welcome anyone who knows me to use any of the contact details shown, anytime (but I did remove my domain name email address, which is mainly family and business). I can recognise spam a mile off. Postal nonsense goes in the paper and cardboard recycling bin, no prob. N. From: patheigham Sent: 22 February 2021 13:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: RE: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail I don?t think it?s the greatest idea to have all your contact info put into the footer. An open invitation for scammers to badger you with electronic and postal nonsense. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 22 February 2021 12:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail A quick test from my Windows 10 laptop using Microsoft (Office) 365 Outlook. It took about 60 seconds to set up following the easy instructions. ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Feb 22 09:36:25 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:36:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Microsoft 365 Mail In-Reply-To: References: <6033b0be.1c69fb81.19940.fb33@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5902d674b8davesound@btinternet.com> Plus the fact this group isn't public. In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Thanks for the expert advice. It?s a signature, not a footer, and I > welcome anyone who knows me to use any of the contact details shown, > anytime (but I did remove my domain name email address, which is mainly > family and business). I can recognise spam a mile off. Postal nonsense > goes in the paper and cardboard recycling bin, no prob. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Mon Feb 22 12:17:45 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:17:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama Message-ID: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. Alan Taylor From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 12:48:55 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 18:48:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: Anglia TV pioneered OB drama shooting on Weavers Green in the mid 1960s. It was way before I joined them from the BBC in early 1970. I have some photos somewhere if anyone is interested. Geoff F On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 18:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & > LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any > tales about them? > > I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of > Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or > other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up > to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was > quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the > closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does > credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody > throw any light on the location shoots for that show? > > There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was > called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC > Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star > wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, > but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any > thoughts or suggestions? > > One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 > on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with > John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also > work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny > Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when > accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender > just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be > transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a > camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus > before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting > and catering vehicles. > > EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined > up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera > scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and > then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. > When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, > relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were > fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results > were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location > drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in > 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and > the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. > > These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self > contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling > light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we > had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the > next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several > vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but > these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial > accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering > vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what > else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these > vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large > scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, > but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single > camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a > scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at summershome.co.uk Mon Feb 22 13:19:50 2021 From: brian at summershome.co.uk (Brian Summers) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:19:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: <01ba01d7094f$b1211280$13633780$@summershome.co.uk> Hi Always alert to mention of MCR21, the list of programs http://mcr21.org.uk/programs/ might help, but there are many gaps in the early 1970s. The list was composed from the memories and diary notes of those who worked on her. '21 was refitted again with colour camera in mid 1972. The PC60s came out and a pair of EMI 2001 went in. Our restoration project continues, but there is much to do and old kit to find! Best Regards Brian Summers Broadcast Television Technology Trust Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333 Camberley, England. Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk | www.bttt.org.uk Support us Make a Donation | Become a Volunteer Phone (+44) 01276677879 -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 22 February 2021 18:18 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 13:49:58 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:49:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: I worked on Jude the Obscure, but it was in TC4. Each week the atmosphere got gloomier and more bad tempered. Robert Powell, who we'd worked with on Doomwatch, got quieter and quieter.? Hugh David, a good chap we'd also worked with before, became angry at the cast, not least with the lady playing Arabella, who Hugh told us had it in her contract to take her top off in the wedding bedroom scene, and come the day was refusing to do so.? A series that we were glad to see the back of. B On 22/02/2021 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? > > I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? > > There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? > > One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. > > EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. > > These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. > > Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Feb 22 13:52:42 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:52:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: <2b0b0e26-6457-c092-89cf-ed85efb83575@gmail.com> Oh - and some small amusement came from the episode of the pig. The handler lady was about half it's size, and in TC4 it got spooked and raced around the firelane pursued by small woman, with the rest of us scattering. B On 22/02/2021 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? > > I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? > > There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? > > One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. > > EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. > > These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. > > Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Feb 22 14:06:32 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:06:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6413FF37-F44B-44BD-83A7-2ADDBC296F66@me.com> I would guess that the OB shoot happened prior to the studio shoot. It?s usually done that way round in case characters gets rained upon in the OB sequence and then they can be wetted before walking into the studio set. As it happens, I can?t remember anything other than fabulous sunny weather. If anything it was a bit too hot on the day that one of the actors had to slop around a big vat of pig?s entrails. They were the real thing and the hot weather wasn?t making them any more fragrant, quite the reverse. From what I can recall, it was quite a happy shoot. Hugh was calm and seemed pleased with how things were going. I didn?t notice any tensions with the actors, but I was rather young and inexperienced in those days and might not have noticed things which would be obvious these days. Alan Taylor > On 22 Feb 2021, at 19:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I worked on Jude the Obscure, but it was in TC4. Each week the atmosphere got gloomier and more bad tempered. Robert Powell, who we'd worked with on Doomwatch, got quieter and quieter. Hugh David, a good chap we'd also worked with before, became angry at the cast, not least with the lady playing Arabella, who Hugh told us had it in her contract to take her top off in the wedding bedroom scene, and come the day was refusing to do so. A series that we were glad to see the back of. > > B > > > > On 22/02/2021 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? >> >> I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? >> >> There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? >> >> One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. >> >> EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. >> >> These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. >> >> Alan Taylor > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Feb 22 14:21:01 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:21:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Long distance OB In-Reply-To: <91e7e468-30bc-b16a-0488-35f17c224668@gmail.com> References: <91e7e468-30bc-b16a-0488-35f17c224668@gmail.com> Message-ID: <549FFD18-91C1-44FF-A9EE-18338522AC46@btinternet.com> Thanks Bernie?Truly amazing Albert > On 22 Feb 2021, at 20:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > https://youtu.be/4czjS9h4Fpg > > Impressive stuff > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Feb 22 14:21:52 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:21:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: <60341261.1c69fb81.45dcb.1b75@mx.google.com> On a movie, when I booming, I was asked to climb into bed with the lead lady, because I was the only one on the crew who had a short haircut which fitted the role. I refused, not because I didn?t fancy the lass (I did!) but because I couldn?t stand the fact that all the sparks would be taking the piss out of me! (The Bunny Caper AKA Girls Games Play) It was fun to work on ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 February 2021 19:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama I worked on Jude the Obscure, but it was in TC4. Each week the atmosphere got gloomier and more bad tempered. Robert Powell, who we'd worked with on Doomwatch, got quieter and quieter.? Hugh David, a good chap we'd also worked with before, became angry at the cast, not least with the lady playing Arabella, who Hugh told us had it in her contract to take her top off in the wedding bedroom scene, and come the day was refusing to do so.? A series that we were glad to see the back of. B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Feb 22 14:45:03 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:45:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mesh Message-ID: In our 3 foot walled cottage, the wi-fi signal from the entry point at the end of the cottage, does not get as far as our lounge, 10 foot away. Years ago, the Homeplug system worked up to a point, but needs to be cabled at each end. These days, smart tvs, pads, etc. all want to see wi-fi and don't have the requisite socket for ethernet cables. Thus, having 'upgraded' to fibre for much the same price as I was already paying for ADSL, I now have a minimum speed of 30Mbs, and would like to access wi-fi in the lounge. It has been suggested that a system of wi-fi extenders called Mesh could be the answer. However, it's very expensive, well over ?200, and whilst I would be prepared to spend that if it worked, I have no way of knowing if it would or not without actually buying and installing it. I haven't read all the marketing hype, but although some say it's 'guaranteed' to work, I'm loath to risk it, as installing it would mean quite extensive crawling around at least two separate loft spaces, and running mains cabling round and about (at least I think that's what I would have to do). Thus, has anyone here got this system, and what sort of feedback can you provide, pros and cons, recommendations for what to get, or not touch with a barge pole. Or you could suggest something other than this that I haven't thought of, sadly I find I'm no longer infallible (infallible? him? who's he kidding?). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Mon Feb 22 15:03:09 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 21:03:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, I'd really love to see your Anglia TV pictures! You can see my Anglia ones, which include plenty of the old camera crews....although I was in the sound department 1966 to 1969, at: *www.postfade.co.uk * It's laid out like a blog, so go to the beginning ...that's where the Anglia ones start anyway. David Taylor Bridport Dorset On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 18:49, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > Anglia TV pioneered OB drama shooting on Weavers Green in the mid 1960s. > It was way before I joined them from the BBC in early 1970. I have some > photos somewhere if anyone is interested. > Geoff F > > On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 at 18:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & >> LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any >> tales about them? >> >> I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of >> Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or >> other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up >> to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was >> quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the >> closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does >> credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody >> throw any light on the location shoots for that show? >> >> There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it >> was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor >> BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star >> wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, >> but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any >> thoughts or suggestions? >> >> One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in >> 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it >> with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group >> also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny >> Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when >> accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender >> just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be >> transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a >> camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus >> before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting >> and catering vehicles. >> >> EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined >> up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera >> scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and >> then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. >> When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, >> relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were >> fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results >> were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location >> drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in >> 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and >> the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. >> >> These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self >> contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling >> light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we >> had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the >> next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several >> vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but >> these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial >> accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering >> vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what >> else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these >> vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large >> scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, >> but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single >> camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a >> scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. >> >> Alan Taylor >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Each week the > atmosphere got gloomier and more bad tempered. Robert Powell, who we'd > worked with on Doomwatch, got quieter and quieter.? Hugh David, a good > chap we'd also worked with before, became angry at the cast, not least > with the lady playing Arabella, who Hugh told us had it in her > contract to take her top off in the wedding bedroom scene, and come > the day was refusing to do so.? A series that we were glad to see the > back of. > > B > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Gone to test his eyesight.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 28971 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net Mon Feb 22 16:49:00 2021 From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 22:49:00 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: <000a01d7096c$e9e55dc0$bdb01940$@talktalk.net> I worked on Jude The Obscure as a cameraman. I remember that the owners of a little cottage spent their facility fee on a 625 line colour television so they could see how charming the exterior of their home looked. Unfortunately the large aerial erected on their roof was in position before recording began so that the firm that rigged it had to take it down. One of the attractions of the area was the absence of barbed wire which would have been a serious anachronism as it hadn't been invented when Jude was set. Because of the questionable morality of the plot we were unable to use the local C of E church but we were welcomed into a Roman Catholic church in Oxford. Alex Thomas. -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 22 February 2021 18:18 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net Tue Feb 23 04:35:07 2021 From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 10:35:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> Message-ID: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! Robin Sutherland > On 22 Feb 2021, at 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? > > I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? > > There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? > > One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. > > EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. > > These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 05:13:36 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:13:36 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: <4F28BAD4C52E4E9B960CEC8C3600E2FC@0023242e4e14> The Little Minister was all-OB recorded from 02-06-75 to 15-06-75. Love's Labour's Lost was all-OB recorded from 22-09-75 to 04-10-75. Although I've got filming days for all A Fall of Eagles, I couldn't find any trace of OB on there (beyond the VT studios). Fall of Eagles 52 22/23 Dec 73 01: Death Waltz 16, 19-23 Nov 73, 11 Dec 73 02 10/11 Jan 74 02: The English Princess T25, 26 Nov-01 Dec 73, 05 25/26 Jan 74 03: Honest Broker [CANCELLED?] 03-08, T09 Dec 73 06 04/05 Feb 74 04: Requiem For a Crown Prince 07-12 Jan 74 07 14/15 Feb 05: The Last Tzar 13-18 Jan 74, 11 Feb 74 09 25/26 Feb 74 06: Absolute Beginners 25-26 Jan 74, 07-08 Feb 74 10 07/08 Mar 74 [07: Dearest Nicky] 21-24 Jan 74 FILM [The Appointment - EP 8 IS ALL-FILM] 18-22 Feb, 25-01, 04-08, 13-14 Mar 12 17/18 Mar 74 03: The Honest Broker [Remount] = 13/14 29/30 Mar 74 09: Dress Rehearsal 04, 07-08, 11-15 Mar 74 15 08/09 Apr 74 10: Indian Summer of an Emperor 27-29 Mar 16 18/19 Apr 74 11: Tell the King the Sky is Falling 18-22 Mar 74 [The Secret War EP 12 IS ALL-FILM] [27-29 Mar Ealing; 30 Mar ? 01 Apr, 03-05 Apr][08-11 Apr] 19 07/08 May 74 [13: End Game] [17-19 Apr 74, 22-26 Apr 74; 29 Apr, 03 May] [FINAL EPISODE] Compiled for the 1973/74 studio/location books from surviving paperwork. Lost all the formatting there, hope it's still clear. Studio dates on the left, filming on the right. T was for travel. -----Original Message----- From: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 10:35 AM To: TechOps Forum Cc: Robin Sutherland Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! Robin Sutherland > On 22 Feb 2021, at 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & > LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any > tales about them? > > I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of > Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, > or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made > up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it > was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but > the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but > does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can > anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? > > There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was > called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC > Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star > wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, > but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any > thoughts or suggestions? > > One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 > on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it > with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group > also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into > tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when > accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender > just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be > transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a > camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus > before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting > and catering vehicles. > > EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined > up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera > scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set > and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next > scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were > unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results > were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those > results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB > location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for > it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become > available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the > possibilities. > > These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self > contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling > light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one > we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in > the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several > vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but > these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial > accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering > vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what > else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these > vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large > scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, > but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single > camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a > scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Feb 23 05:28:09 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:28:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <6ee074d7-bde6-2c7c-1a94-06f96cba467e@gmail.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> <60341261.1c69fb81.45dcb.1b75@mx.google.com> <6ee074d7-bde6-2c7c-1a94-06f96cba467e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6034e6c9.1c69fb81.ca076.bbab@mx.google.com> ?Games Girls Play? That?s the one! I remember a lovely sunny afternoon, filming a skinny dip sequence in a swimming pool, with all the lovely girls totally starkers. Slim MacDonnell was the underwater cameraman, and when we watched the rushes, the director said: ?Lovely, Slim, but I can?t use any of it? It was a bit explicit, with the camera swooping between their legs! So maybe 1200 ft went into Slim?s private collection. That?s the occasion where I flooded the Sennheiser 125, attempting to pick up some underwater FX. All we heard was the Arriflex, because sound travels very well through water. One of the girls wanted to talk to us soundies about hi-fi kit, and plonked herself in front of us, carelessly letting her robe fall apart, revealing everything. Hi-Fi? Forget it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 22 February 2021 21:29 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama A top show - https://www.grindhousedatabase.com/index.php/Games_Girls_Play B On 22/02/2021 20:21, patheigham wrote: On a movie, when I booming, I was asked to climb into bed with the lead lady, because I was the only one on the crew who had a short haircut which fitted the role. I refused, not because I didn?t fancy the lass (I did!) but because I? couldn?t stand the fact that all the sparks would be taking the piss out of me! (The Bunny Caper AKA Girls Games Play) It was fun to work on ! Pat ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Feb 23 05:48:09 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 11:48:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <000a01d7096c$e9e55dc0$bdb01940$@talktalk.net> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> <000a01d7096c$e9e55dc0$bdb01940$@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <6034eb79.1c69fb81.bbf13.5241@mx.google.com> A story from my film industry days (but I didn?t work on it). ? Dr Doolittle? shooting in Castle Cary, I think. TV aerials had to be taken down, and the film company paid for a receiver stationed on a high hill, and fed the village with cable. There was one old biddy who refused the removal of aerial. So it was hidden by a bit of ?dingle? for the wide shots. When she saw the perfect TV that her neighbours had, she wanted in. Told to eff off, she had the option, and denied it. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alex Thomas via Tech1 Sent: 22 February 2021 22:49 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alex Thomas Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama Unfortunately the large aerial erected on their roof was in position before recording began so that the firm that rigged it had to take it down. Alex Thomas. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Feb 23 12:29:39 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:29:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> References: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. Alan Taylor > On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland wrote: > > ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. > > The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. > It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. > Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. > > I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. > It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! > > Robin Sutherland -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Feb 23 12:29:57 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:29:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <6034e6c9.1c69fb81.ca076.bbab@mx.google.com> References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> <60341261.1c69fb81.45dcb.1b75@mx.google.com> <6ee074d7-bde6-2c7c-1a94-06f96cba467e@gmail.com>, <6034e6c9.1c69fb81.ca076.bbab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Utterly cringeworthy. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Feb 2021, at 11:28, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? ?Games Girls Play? That?s the one! I remember a lovely sunny afternoon, filming a skinny dip sequence in a swimming pool, with all the lovely girls totally starkers. Slim MacDonnell was the underwater cameraman, and when we watched the rushes, the director said: ?Lovely, Slim, but I can?t use any of it? It was a bit explicit, with the camera swooping between their legs! So maybe 1200 ft went into Slim?s private collection. That?s the occasion where I flooded the Sennheiser 125, attempting to pick up some underwater FX. All we heard was the Arriflex, because sound travels very well through water. One of the girls wanted to talk to us soundies about hi-fi kit, and plonked herself in front of us, carelessly letting her robe fall apart, revealing everything. Hi-Fi? Forget it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 22 February 2021 21:29 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama A top show - https://www.grindhousedatabase.com/index.php/Games_Girls_Play B On 22/02/2021 20:21, patheigham wrote: On a movie, when I booming, I was asked to climb into bed with the lead lady, because I was the only one on the crew who had a short haircut which fitted the role. I refused, not because I didn?t fancy the lass (I did!) but because I couldn?t stand the fact that all the sparks would be taking the piss out of me! (The Bunny Caper AKA Girls Games Play) It was fun to work on ! 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URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 12:43:19 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 18:43:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: <561011C5-E05A-425C-B85D-42F2DA1BC8FD@me.com> <60341261.1c69fb81.45dcb.1b75@mx.google.com> <6ee074d7-bde6-2c7c-1a94-06f96cba467e@gmail.com>, <6034e6c9.1c69fb81.ca076.bbab@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <005701d70a13$c1c33090$454991b0$@gmail.com> Also another level of fantasy I imagine Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 23 February 2021 18:30 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama Utterly cringeworthy. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Feb 2021, at 11:28, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: ? ?Games Girls Play? That?s the one! I remember a lovely sunny afternoon, filming a skinny dip sequence in a swimming pool, with all the lovely girls totally starkers. Slim MacDonnell was the underwater cameraman, and when we watched the rushes, the director said: ?Lovely, Slim, but I can?t use any of it? It was a bit explicit, with the camera swooping between their legs! So maybe 1200 ft went into Slim?s private collection. That?s the occasion where I flooded the Sennheiser 125, attempting to pick up some underwater FX. All we heard was the Arriflex, because sound travels very well through water. One of the girls wanted to talk to us soundies about hi-fi kit, and plonked herself in front of us, carelessly letting her robe fall apart, revealing everything. Hi-Fi? Forget it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 22 February 2021 21:29 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama A top show - https://www.grindhousedatabase.com/index.php/Games_Girls_Play B On 22/02/2021 20:21, patheigham wrote: On a movie, when I booming, I was asked to climb into bed with the lead lady, because I was the only one on the crew who had a short haircut which fitted the role. I refused, not because I didn?t fancy the lass (I did!) but because I couldn?t stand the fact that all the sparks would be taking the piss out of me! (The Bunny Caper AKA Girls Games Play) It was fun to work on ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Tue Feb 23 17:22:53 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2021 23:22:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <695A4F81-A3A6-47AC-9B01-602F595F6F1A@mac.com> I worked on a Bristol OB drama pre-1972. I can?t recall precise date or names, except that I know it was before my wife was expecting our second child. I can?t even be sure if it was black and white, MCR28, or colour, CMCR3, which Bristol took over from Kendal Avenue. The director was John King, father of Simon of wildlife fame, and involved a very old Manor House in the Perranporth area, I believe it was. I fancy I recall that this old house was the first manor not to have been fortified in any way and it was an absolute gem, still in private hands then. The one thing that stands out is my feeling that it was totally wrong to shoot with large TV cameras in such a building - camera and lighting tripods were marking the beautiful old floors, despite tarpaulins and protective boards and the weather was so atrocious that every time anyone came in from outside, they dripped water all over the place. Fascinating experience though, lying under four-poster beds to get an 805 under the artists - the ceilings were too low for working overhead! When I?ve got a minute I?ll do a bit of research and rack my brains. I think I?ve recounted before that during the same trip to Cornwall, John King had the riggers chasing across an airfield and the adjoining fields to catch plastic bags that had been released to blow where they would, to accompany an obscure poem of which I have no recollection. Mike G > On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. > > The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - > https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside > > I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. > > If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. > > I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. > > I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland wrote: >> >> ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. >> >> The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. >> It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. >> Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. >> >> I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. >> It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! >> >> Robin Sutherland > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net Tue Feb 23 18:32:47 2021 From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 00:32:47 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: <775E5227-44B9-4303-AF90-A32B47E8410C@me.com> References: <775E5227-44B9-4303-AF90-A32B47E8410C@me.com> Message-ID: <001a01d70a44$935c1ba0$ba1452e0$@talktalk.net> I am sure that Frank Hudson was the senior cameraman on Jude. He also starred in the opening credits of Grandstand. I remember the actress getting upset at having to handle the "chitterlings" or entrails of some poor animal as she had to do a fully practical rehearsal and then a take. Alex. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor Sent: 23 February 2021 15:34 To: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net Subject: Jude the Obscure Hi Alex, Thanks for joining in with the recollections about working on Jude. Do you remember anybody else who worked on it? I?m pretty sure that Selwyn Cox was also a cameraman, but can?t remember the other two. I?m also pretty sure that Peter March was floor manager, but his presence didn?t go down well with the AFMs from drama department. There were some spats between him and Sue Marlborough. I can remember a lot of the locations. I now live not too far from there and often pass places and realise we shot there. I think the house you described in the aerial anecdote might have been in East Hanney. I also remember shooting in the Jericho area of Oxford in a street of run down two up two down terraced houses. One was on sale for ?650 at the time and I thought it was ludicrous to expect somebody to pay that much for a run down slum. That area has now been gentrified and some of those previously run down slums are changing hands for close to a million. I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. If you have any more recollections about Jude or any other OBs, I?m contributing to a forthcoming book about OBs and am very keen to get further stories. The book is primarily about the people who made OBs happen. There is a particularly significant gap between the 50s and late 60s. I joined Kendal Avenue in ?68, so have a lot of info from that time onwards, but there must be other people still with us who were working at Wembley and the early days of Kendal Avenue. If you know of anybody who might be able to help, I?d be glad to be put in contact with them. It?s good to hear from you and I hope you?re keeping well. All the best Alan From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 18:40:41 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 00:40:41 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <695A4F81-A3A6-47AC-9B01-602F595F6F1A@mac.com> References: <695A4F81-A3A6-47AC-9B01-602F595F6F1A@mac.com> Message-ID: What would fit John King around 1972 would be The Stallion, with Peter Arne https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/c1cd23c80de84b03accb90c6b0b3e494 For Loving, with Alfred Lynch and Angela Scoular https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/943d44c08df341a28c6bdbbcada0f950 And, at bit of a stretch shown in 1973: The Fox, with Peter Arne and Adrienne Corri https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/3d272a59cf834ebe8853f8b57f36f179 The two Arne plays appear to be all-film, so it might be the Alfie Lynch one on OB. From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:22 PM To: Tech Ops Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama I worked on a Bristol OB drama pre-1972. I can?t recall precise date or names, except that I know it was before my wife was expecting our second child. I can?t even be sure if it was black and white, MCR28, or colour, CMCR3, which Bristol took over from Kendal Avenue. The director was John King, father of Simon of wildlife fame, and involved a very old Manor House in the Perranporth area, I believe it was. I fancy I recall that this old house was the first manor not to have been fortified in any way and it was an absolute gem, still in private hands then. The one thing that stands out is my feeling that it was totally wrong to shoot with large TV cameras in such a building - camera and lighting tripods were marking the beautiful old floors, despite tarpaulins and protective boards and the weather was so atrocious that every time anyone came in from outside, they dripped water all over the place. Fascinating experience though, lying under four-poster beds to get an 805 under the artists - the ceilings were too low for working overhead! When I?ve got a minute I?ll do a bit of research and rack my brains. I think I?ve recounted before that during the same trip to Cornwall, John King had the riggers chasing across an airfield and the adjoining fields to catch plastic bags that had been released to blow where they would, to accompany an obscure poem of which I have no recollection. Mike G On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. Alan Taylor On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland wrote: ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! 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I?ll ask my former Bristol colleagues what they remember - those that are still with us, that is! Mike G > On 24 Feb 2021, at 00:41, David Brunt wrote: > > ? > What would fit John King around 1972 would be > > The Stallion, with Peter Arne > https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/c1cd23c80de84b03accb90c6b0b3e494 > > For Loving, with Alfred Lynch and Angela Scoular > https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/943d44c08df341a28c6bdbbcada0f950 > > And, at bit of a stretch shown in 1973: > The Fox, with Peter Arne and Adrienne Corri > https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/3d272a59cf834ebe8853f8b57f36f179 > > The two Arne plays appear to be all-film, so it might be the Alfie Lynch one on OB. > > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:22 PM > To: Tech Ops > Cc: Mike Giles > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama > > I worked on a Bristol OB drama pre-1972. I can?t recall precise date or names, except that I know it was before my wife was expecting our second child. I can?t even be sure if it was black and white, MCR28, or colour, CMCR3, which Bristol took over from Kendal Avenue. > > The director was John King, father of Simon of wildlife fame, and involved a very old Manor House in the Perranporth area, I believe it was. I fancy I recall that this old house was the first manor not to have been fortified in any way and it was an absolute gem, still in private hands then. The one thing that stands out is my feeling that it was totally wrong to shoot with large TV cameras in such a building - camera and lighting tripods were marking the beautiful old floors, despite tarpaulins and protective boards and the weather was so atrocious that every time anyone came in from outside, they dripped water all over the place. Fascinating experience though, lying under four-poster beds to get an 805 under the artists - the ceilings were too low for working overhead! > > When I?ve got a minute I?ll do a bit of research and rack my brains. > > I think I?ve recounted before that during the same trip to Cornwall, John King had the riggers chasing across an airfield and the adjoining fields to catch plastic bags that had been released to blow where they would, to accompany an obscure poem of which I have no recollection. > > Mike G > >> On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. >> >> The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - >> https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside >> >> I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. >> >> If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. >> >> I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. >> >> I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland wrote: >>> >>> ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. >>> >>> The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. >>> It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. >>> Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. >>> >>> I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. >>> It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! >>> >>> Robin Sutherland >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Wed Feb 24 03:07:02 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 09:07:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: <001a01d70a44$935c1ba0$ba1452e0$@talktalk.net> References: <775E5227-44B9-4303-AF90-A32B47E8410C@me.com> <001a01d70a44$935c1ba0$ba1452e0$@talktalk.net> Message-ID: <45D58F78-4961-430A-A364-9EA788A751D2@btinternet.com> I was in Pres at the time as Producer on a promotions team. When the captions arrived from the Messely department they had captioned the 12x9 as 'Jude the Obscene??.It nearly went out on air ! AB > On 24 Feb 2021, at 00:32, Alex Thomas via Tech1 wrote: > > I am sure that Frank Hudson was the senior cameraman on Jude. He also starred in the opening credits of Grandstand. > > I remember the actress getting upset at having to handle the "chitterlings" or entrails of some poor animal as she had to do a fully practical rehearsal and then a take. > > Alex. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Taylor > Sent: 23 February 2021 15:34 > To: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net > Subject: Jude the Obscure > > Hi Alex, > > Thanks for joining in with the recollections about working on Jude. > > Do you remember anybody else who worked on it? I?m pretty sure that Selwyn Cox was also a cameraman, but can?t remember the other two. I?m also pretty sure that Peter March was floor manager, but his presence didn?t go down well with the AFMs from drama department. There were some spats between him and Sue Marlborough. > > I can remember a lot of the locations. I now live not too far from there and often pass places and realise we shot there. I think the house you described in the aerial anecdote might have been in East Hanney. I also remember shooting in the Jericho area of Oxford in a street of run down two up two down terraced houses. One was on sale for ?650 at the time and I thought it was ludicrous to expect somebody to pay that much for a run down slum. That area has now been gentrified and some of those previously run down slums are changing hands for close to a million. > > I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. > > If you have any more recollections about Jude or any other OBs, I?m contributing to a forthcoming book about OBs and am very keen to get further stories. The book is primarily about the people who made OBs happen. There is a particularly significant gap between the 50s and late 60s. I joined Kendal Avenue in ?68, so have a lot of info from that time onwards, but there must be other people still with us who were working at Wembley and the early days of Kendal Avenue. If you know of anybody who might be able to help, I?d be glad to be put in contact with them. > > It?s good to hear from you and I hope you?re keeping well. > > All the best > > Alan > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Feb 24 03:20:32 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 09:20:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: <45D58F78-4961-430A-A364-9EA788A751D2@btinternet.com> References: <45D58F78-4961-430A-A364-9EA788A751D2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <52E2A613-DD05-4C58-8C73-0F6C47906037@icloud.com> That would have upped the ratings! Graeme Wall > On 24 Feb 2021, at 09:07, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I was in Pres at the time as Producer on a promotions team. When the captions arrived from the Messely department they had captioned the 12x9 as 'Jude the Obscene??.It nearly went out on air ! > AB > > >> On 24 Feb 2021, at 00:32, Alex Thomas via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I am sure that Frank Hudson was the senior cameraman on Jude. He also starred in the opening credits of Grandstand. >> >> I remember the actress getting upset at having to handle the "chitterlings" or entrails of some poor animal as she had to do a fully practical rehearsal and then a take. >> >> Alex. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Alan Taylor >> Sent: 23 February 2021 15:34 >> To: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net >> Subject: Jude the Obscure >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> Thanks for joining in with the recollections about working on Jude. >> >> Do you remember anybody else who worked on it? I?m pretty sure that Selwyn Cox was also a cameraman, but can?t remember the other two. I?m also pretty sure that Peter March was floor manager, but his presence didn?t go down well with the AFMs from drama department. There were some spats between him and Sue Marlborough. >> >> I can remember a lot of the locations. I now live not too far from there and often pass places and realise we shot there. I think the house you described in the aerial anecdote might have been in East Hanney. I also remember shooting in the Jericho area of Oxford in a street of run down two up two down terraced houses. One was on sale for ?650 at the time and I thought it was ludicrous to expect somebody to pay that much for a run down slum. That area has now been gentrified and some of those previously run down slums are changing hands for close to a million. >> >> I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. >> >> If you have any more recollections about Jude or any other OBs, I?m contributing to a forthcoming book about OBs and am very keen to get further stories. The book is primarily about the people who made OBs happen. There is a particularly significant gap between the 50s and late 60s. I joined Kendal Avenue in ?68, so have a lot of info from that time onwards, but there must be other people still with us who were working at Wembley and the early days of Kendal Avenue. If you know of anybody who might be able to help, I?d be glad to be put in contact with them. >> >> It?s good to hear from you and I hope you?re keeping well. >> >> All the best >> >> Alan >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Feb 24 04:22:16 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:22:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: <52E2A613-DD05-4C58-8C73-0F6C47906037@icloud.com> References: <52E2A613-DD05-4C58-8C73-0F6C47906037@icloud.com> Message-ID: <891DC1D4-0E05-4EE9-9474-CCA18596ADFB@me.com> When we shot Jude the Obscure, radio talkback was still in its infancy. BBC Designs Dept had come up with a system which was installed in the type II scanners. Some might say that having a go at Designs Dept is taking a cheap shot, but even by their standards, that radio talkback system was not one of their finest moments. The first assistant carried two units, a receiver and a transmitter, they were worn like gunslinger?s holsters, on a belt with one either side. The first problem was that when you press transmit, your receiver picked up this strong signal emanating nearby and made a deafening noise in your ear. The second problem was that they used PP4 batteries, which were a 9V battery about the size of a C cell, with a snap terminal at either end. Nothing wrong with that in principle, other than that you couldn?t expect to buy them in ordinary shops and with six or eight people using radios, where each of them needed two batteries, which might need changing half way through the day, the number of batteries consumed in a week was pretty high. It was necessary to book out plenty from Tech Stores before leaving base. The purchasing people noted that we were getting through them at a rate of knots and bought them in bulk, which would have been a prudent measure if it were not for the very limited shelf life of those batteries. You could book out a box of batteries from stores and find that they had hardly any capacity left when you used them on site. There was another problem with this radio system. The BBC had almost exclusive use of the Band 1 radio spectrum. Obviously it was primarily intended for the 405 line television transmission system, but the BBC also used gaps in the spectrum for radio mics and these early radio talkback systems. Radio Mics transmit at such low power that they can?t really interfere with anything. A base station transmitter in a scanner is a much more powerful beast and the radio talkback system had a habit of blocking out BBC1 reception close to the scanner. When we were shooting Jude in the Jericho area of Oxford, there were some rather heated exchanges from locals who were being prevented from watching BBC TV because of the spurious transmission from the BBC scanner in their road. This Band 1 spurious transmission problem remained unresolved for a while. When I was working on the colourised MCR 21, it was still happening and the Designs people decided to experiment. They did their sums and calculated what combination of inductors and capacitors would be needed to make a passive box to put in line with the aerial feeder to filter out the spurious signals. When we installed it, the box totally eliminated the fundamental frequency, but let the interference through unhindered. That?s when the boffins learned the difference between parallel,and series tuned circuits. Fortunately the fix was simple, rewiring it the other way round, but after all the debacles along the way, it didn?t make them look too good. That radio system was eventually abandoned in favour of Storno walkie talkies similar to those used by Police forces. One more frivolous thing about PP4 batteries. Many of us will have discovered that when PP3 batteries have been finished with, they have a certain amount of charge left and that two can be plugged together to form an 18V short circuit, making a very welcome hand warmer to slip inside gloves during freezing weather. With vast numbers of used PP4 batteries, it was tempting to try them as hand warmers too, but having the terminals at opposite ends made it a bit tricky. However, if you dismantle an old one, it provides two snap terminals which can be soldered to a length of wire. By snapping that adapter onto a used cell, you get a hand warmer .... expect it was a bit too powerful. PP3s have a certain amount of internal resistance which limits the current flow to the point where the arrangement gets pleasantly warm. PP4s appeared to have much less resistance and although it was only a 9V short circuit compared the the two PP3?s 18V short circuit, more current flowed, which made it far too hot to be practical as a hand warmer. When we tried it and discovered how hot it was getting, we also discovered that the terminals had become too hot to pull off the battery. Wire cutters were used to cut the connecting wire before the device turned into an improvised explosive. Alan Taylor > On 24 Feb 2021, at 09:20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?That would have upped the ratings! > > Graeme Wall > >> On 24 Feb 2021, at 09:07, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I was in Pres at the time as Producer on a promotions team. When the captions arrived from the Messely department they had captioned the 12x9 as 'Jude the Obscene??.It nearly went out on air ! >> AB >> >> >>>> On 24 Feb 2021, at 00:32, Alex Thomas via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I am sure that Frank Hudson was the senior cameraman on Jude. He also starred in the opening credits of Grandstand. >>> >>> I remember the actress getting upset at having to handle the "chitterlings" or entrails of some poor animal as she had to do a fully practical rehearsal and then a take. >>> >>> Alex. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Alan Taylor >>> Sent: 23 February 2021 15:34 >>> To: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net >>> Subject: Jude the Obscure >>> >>> Hi Alex, >>> >>> Thanks for joining in with the recollections about working on Jude. >>> >>> Do you remember anybody else who worked on it? I?m pretty sure that Selwyn Cox was also a cameraman, but can?t remember the other two. I?m also pretty sure that Peter March was floor manager, but his presence didn?t go down well with the AFMs from drama department. There were some spats between him and Sue Marlborough. >>> >>> I can remember a lot of the locations. I now live not too far from there and often pass places and realise we shot there. I think the house you described in the aerial anecdote might have been in East Hanney. I also remember shooting in the Jericho area of Oxford in a street of run down two up two down terraced houses. One was on sale for ?650 at the time and I thought it was ludicrous to expect somebody to pay that much for a run down slum. That area has now been gentrified and some of those previously run down slums are changing hands for close to a million. >>> >>> I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. >>> >>> If you have any more recollections about Jude or any other OBs, I?m contributing to a forthcoming book about OBs and am very keen to get further stories. The book is primarily about the people who made OBs happen. There is a particularly significant gap between the 50s and late 60s. I joined Kendal Avenue in ?68, so have a lot of info from that time onwards, but there must be other people still with us who were working at Wembley and the early days of Kendal Avenue. If you know of anybody who might be able to help, I?d be glad to be put in contact with them. >>> >>> It?s good to hear from you and I hope you?re keeping well. >>> >>> All the best >>> >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 04:54:12 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 10:54:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: <891DC1D4-0E05-4EE9-9474-CCA18596ADFB@me.com> References: <52E2A613-DD05-4C58-8C73-0F6C47906037@icloud.com> <891DC1D4-0E05-4EE9-9474-CCA18596ADFB@me.com> Message-ID: "I don't have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB.? I think back on it as quite a happy OB." Not a bad atmosphere exactly, more a depressed atmosphere. probably comes from working on Thomas Hardy.? Though Hugh was quite outspoken about the actress who wouldn't. B On 24/02/2021 10:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Feb 24 05:01:59 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:01:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <7ED3CE78-1417-4F42-AC26-714580479C82@mac.com> References: <7ED3CE78-1417-4F42-AC26-714580479C82@mac.com> Message-ID: They were on film Mike John was forever producing madcap projects with no money I worked on his Rock Opera, Demolition Man, 90m on film starring MoTown artistes and shot in Bristol NPC in 76 ? It was a challenge and helped Bristol get back into proper drama in the 80s. Roger > On 24 Feb 2021, at 08:49, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > None of those titles ring a bell, I?m afraid David, and to be honest, thinking about it overnight, I don?t actually recall watching the thing on air, so it could be another John King production that never made it to transmission. I think there were several in that category. I?ll ask my former Bristol colleagues what they remember - those that are still with us, that is! > > Mike G > >> On 24 Feb 2021, at 00:41, David Brunt wrote: >> >> ? >> What would fit John King around 1972 would be >> >> The Stallion, with Peter Arne >> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/c1cd23c80de84b03accb90c6b0b3e494 >> >> For Loving, with Alfred Lynch and Angela Scoular >> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/943d44c08df341a28c6bdbbcada0f950 >> >> And, at bit of a stretch shown in 1973: >> The Fox, with Peter Arne and Adrienne Corri >> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/3d272a59cf834ebe8853f8b57f36f179 >> >> The two Arne plays appear to be all-film, so it might be the Alfie Lynch one on OB. >> >> >> From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2021 11:22 PM >> To: Tech Ops >> Cc: Mike Giles >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama >> >> I worked on a Bristol OB drama pre-1972. I can?t recall precise date or names, except that I know it was before my wife was expecting our second child. I can?t even be sure if it was black and white, MCR28, or colour, CMCR3, which Bristol took over from Kendal Avenue. >> >> The director was John King, father of Simon of wildlife fame, and involved a very old Manor House in the Perranporth area, I believe it was. I fancy I recall that this old house was the first manor not to have been fortified in any way and it was an absolute gem, still in private hands then. The one thing that stands out is my feeling that it was totally wrong to shoot with large TV cameras in such a building - camera and lighting tripods were marking the beautiful old floors, despite tarpaulins and protective boards and the weather was so atrocious that every time anyone came in from outside, they dripped water all over the place. Fascinating experience though, lying under four-poster beds to get an 805 under the artists - the ceilings were too low for working overhead! >> >> When I?ve got a minute I?ll do a bit of research and rack my brains. >> >> I think I?ve recounted before that during the same trip to Cornwall, John King had the riggers chasing across an airfield and the adjoining fields to catch plastic bags that had been released to blow where they would, to accompany an obscure poem of which I have no recollection. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. >>> >>> The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - >>> https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside >>> >>> I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. >>> >>> If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. >>> >>> I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. >>> >>> I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland > wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. >>>> >>>> The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. >>>> It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. >>>> Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. >>>> >>>> I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. >>>> It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! >>>> >>>> Robin Sutherland >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Feb 24 05:49:44 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:49:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <297E3172-4BC7-4CBA-ADC6-C35218E71177@me.com> I can?t say that I?ve ever noticed any obvious correlation between the subject matter or author and the morale or happiness of the cast and crew. I worked on a Film Two production, The Russian Soldier, which was an exceedingly depressing story where all the main characters and thousands of animals were doomed to die a horrible death, yet shooting it was a joyous process and we had some of the best unit parties ever. Others I can think of, but won?t name were happy fun-filled stories, but turned out to be the most miserable shows to work on. I think it all comes down to the mix of personalities and whether seemingly minor issues manage to escalate into major differences. Alan Shallcross produced The Russian Soldier and several other dramas I worked on. He was a great believer in maintaining a good atmosphere on location and once told me that when on location, he regarded part of his job to be a sort of master of ceremonies, making sure that everybody got on well together in order to produce the best possible results. When spending ten or twelve weeks on location with a relatively small number of people, the way that people interact and work together becomes hugely important. If it turns into a bad atmosphere, you just want it to finish and to get out of there. Fortunately that?s not a situation I have had to face very often. When it comes to topless women and ?sexed up? storylines, Barry Davis ( the director, not the commentator ) directed Iris Murdoch?s The Bell. Near the start of the book, it describes a house window where we see two people smooching to some music. That wouldn?t do for Barry, so with it being one of the first scenes in the story, the party was portrayed as being something closer to a wild orgy in order to make people want to keep watching. There was a scene in a later episode where a nun has to be rescued from drowning in a lake by another nun who swims to her aid. Again this wouldn?t do for Barry, so the scene ended up requiring a nun to rip off her habit and dive topless into the lake to rescue the drowning nun ( played by Trudie Styler - aka Sting?s wife ). Barry then needed to find an actress who was a strong swimmer, was prepared to have her head shaved and to be seen topless, not an easy one to cast. In the end he found one who met two out of three of those conditions. You?ve guessed it, shaven head and topless was deemed to be more important than being a strong swimmer. When action was called, she ripped off her habit, dived into the lake and headed towards Trudie. When she reached her, it was the most realistic near-drowning sequence imaginable, largely because she could hardly manage to keep afloat any longer and was clinging on to Trudie in the hope of getting some buoyancy, while Trudie was pretending to drown until it dawned on her that if things carried on the way they were going, she was in danger of being pulled under and drowning for real. Alan Taylor > On 24 Feb 2021, at 10:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > ? "I don't have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB." > > Not a bad atmosphere exactly, more a depressed atmosphere. probably comes from working on Thomas Hardy. Though Hugh was quite outspoken about the actress who wouldn't. > > B > > > > On 24/02/2021 10:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 09:10:48 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 15:10:48 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude The Obscure in TC4 - and OB drama Message-ID: <00d701d70abf$3bcb9cf0$b362d6d0$@gmail.com> Hi Bernie and all, I worked also on Jude The Obscure in TC4 and have a couple of photos in my collection of ones I took around that time. As you know we weren?t supposed to do that, hence these were taken surreptitiously from behind the scenes and don?t reveal much of what was happening apart from the pig and the wrangler watching it. Since you were there Bernie, I?m wondering if that?s you with Camera 5, as that sounds about right for what you?d have been doing at the time (1971). I don?t remember the issue you said about the director Hugh David had with Alex Marshall who played Arabella refusing to take her top off for a seduction scene despite having contractually agreed to do it. Perhaps I wasn?t there that week. Judging by what I found in this clip of her entry on Wikipedia which suggests she objected to the way actors were treated as a precious commodity when they were working, then dumped afterwards, it sounds about right. It goes on to say that one reviewer, John Leonard, writing in Life magazine as "Cyclops", noted "a surprising amount of sex, lots of bells, and bad weather". He considered that ?an absorbing if not enthralling several hours of drama ... falls completely apart into silliness?, and that Alex Marshall as Arabella "steals the series," so somebody loved her: In the BBC serial of Jude the Obscure (1971), Marshall took the leading role of Arabella Donn, a pig-keeper?s daughter who seduces and marries Jude. Reviewing the production in Life, John Leonard found that ?Alex Marshall as Arabella steals the series?. Marshall abandoned her acting career in 1974, having made more than three hundred appearances on television over the previous ten years, to become a television director. She commented to Des Wilson, for an article in The Observer, that her income had arrived at ?5,000 a year, but she was disillusioned. [1] She explained: ?Actresses are passive objects waiting to be picked up by the profession and used... When you?re in work, you?re vitally important - to the play and the company. You?re served by makeup people and wardrobe people and treated like a valuable property. Then the play is finished and suddenly you?re on the dole. Most girls leave the profession because all their drive, ambition and real love of the theatre are beaten by the humiliation of the dole queue, and by rejection, and having to answer the question from friends and relatives that strikes like a spear through the heart ? 'Are you working at the moment??? [1] I?m not a fan of Thomas Hardy (quite the opposite, give me Dickens any time), having been given a copy of Tess of the D?Urbervilles as an English prize in the fifth form and read others of his books, I?ve always found his writing rather gloomy. I think there was a part in Jude The Obscure where two children hanged themselves and that being depicted in that production, horrifically. I also think that Hugh David?s wife, the actor Wendy Williams was there and wonder if the children were theirs but there?s no mention of them or her in the cast list. I met Derek Fawley at the time, just before he moved to Bristol and he made a comment about the name Fawley not being very common. Incidentally, I always thought it was Rodney Taylor?s crew that did Jude The Obscure as he did other things with Hugh David but Rodney, in one of the last conversations I had with him, said it wasn?t and may have been Ken Major?s crew? If Ken?s reading this which I hope he is, he may have things of his own to say about it, Regards, Geoff Hawkes From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 February 2021 19:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama I worked on Jude the Obscure, but it was in TC4. Each week the atmosphere got gloomier and more bad tempered. Robert Powell, who we'd worked with on Doomwatch, got quieter and quieter. Hugh David, a good chap we'd also worked with before, became angry at the cast, not least with the lady playing Arabella, who Hugh told us had it in her contract to take her top off in the wedding bedroom scene, and come the day was refusing to do so. A series that we were glad to see the back of. B On 22/02/2021 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. 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As you know we weren?t supposed to do that, hence these were taken surreptitiously from behind the scenes and don?t reveal much of what was happening apart from the pig and the wrangler watching it. Since you were there Bernie, I?m wondering if that?s you with Camera 5, as that sounds about right for what you?d have been doing at the time (1971). > I don?t remember the issue you said about the director Hugh David had with Alex Marshall who played Arabella refusing to take her top off for a seduction scene despite having contractually agreed to do it. Perhaps I wasn?t there that week. Judging by what I found in this clip of her entry on Wikipedia which suggests she objected to the way actors were treated as a precious commodity when they were working, then dumped afterwards, it sounds about right. It goes on to say that one reviewer, John Leonard, writing in Life magazine as "Cyclops", noted "a surprising amount of sex, lots of bells, and bad weather". He considered that ?an absorbing if not enthralling several hours of drama ... falls completely apart into silliness?, and that Alex Marshall as Arabella "steals the series," so somebody loved her: > In the BBC serial of Jude the Obscure (1971), Marshall took the leading role of Arabella Donn, a pig-keeper?s daughter who seduces and marries Jude. Reviewing the production in Life, John Leonard found that ?Alex Marshall as Arabella steals the series?. > Marshall abandoned her acting career in 1974, having made more than three hundred appearances on television over the previous ten years, to become a television director. She commented to Des Wilson, for an article in The Observer, that her income had arrived at ?5,000 a year, but she was disillusioned.[1] She explained: > ?Actresses are passive objects waiting to be picked up by the profession and used... When you?re in work, you?re vitally important - to the play and the company. You?re served by makeup people and wardrobe people and treated like a valuable property. Then the play is finished and suddenly you?re on the dole. Most girls leave the profession because all their drive, ambition and real love of the theatre are beaten by the humiliation of the dole queue, and by rejection, and having to answer the question from friends and relatives that strikes like a spear through the heart ? 'Are you working at the moment???[1] > > I?m not a fan of Thomas Hardy (quite the opposite, give me Dickens any time), having been given a copy of Tess of the D?Urbervilles as an English prize in the fifth form and read others of his books, I?ve always found his writing rather gloomy. I think there was a part in Jude The Obscure where two children hanged themselves and that being depicted in that production, horrifically. I also think that Hugh David?s wife, the actor Wendy Williams was there and wonder if the children were theirs but there?s no mention of them or her in the cast list. I met Derek Fawley at the time, just before he moved to Bristol and he made a comment about the name Fawley not being very common. > Incidentally, I always thought it was Rodney Taylor?s crew that did Jude The Obscure as he did other things with Hugh David but Rodney, in one of the last conversations I had with him, said it wasn?t and may have been Ken Major?s crew? If Ken?s reading this which I hope he is, he may have things of his own to say about it, > > Regards, > Geoff Hawkes > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 22 February 2021 19:50 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama > > I worked on Jude the Obscure, but it was in TC4. Each week the atmosphere got gloomier and more bad tempered. Robert Powell, who we'd worked with on Doomwatch, got quieter and quieter. Hugh David, a good chap we'd also worked with before, became angry at the cast, not least with the lady playing Arabella, who Hugh told us had it in her contract to take her top off in the wedding bedroom scene, and come the day was refusing to do so. A series that we were glad to see the back of. > > B > > > > On 22/02/2021 18:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I?m trying to fill in a few gaps concerning OB drama prior to the LMCR & LPU. Does anybody recall working on dramas in that period or know any tales about them? > > I have some vague memories. One show I think must have been Fall of Eagles, 1974. I have a very vivid memory of being in a large courtroom, or other grand building in central London and seeing Patrick Stewart made up to be Lenin. He didn?t just look a bit like Lenin, he WAS Lenin, it was quite spooky. As it happens, the shows are available on YouTube, but the closing credits don?t seem to name any people from Kendal Avenue, but does credit film people from Ealing as well as the studio people. Can anybody throw any light on the location shoots for that show? > > There was another drama in the early 70?s. I?ve long believed that it was called Baker?s Dozen and Starred Stratford Johns, but neither IMDB nor BBC Genome come up with anything, so I might have both the title and star wrong. It was a police drama and was using one of the last B&W scanners, but might have been MCR21 after having been converted for colour. Any thoughts or suggestions? > > One which I am confident about is Jude the Obscure, which was shot in 1971 on a full sized colour scanner, CMCR4 - Lo4. I?ve already discussed it with John Nottage, we both worked on it. Did anybody else on this group also work on it? The logistics of getting a monstrous OB scanner into tiny Oxfordshire villages doesn?t bear thinking about, especially when accompanied by a tender almost as big and I would imagine a second tender just to transport the booms, which are regarded as too fragile to be transported along with other equipment. In addition, there was also a camera van, VT truck, together with a generator, so you had quite a circus before you start thinking about the art dept, wardrobe, make up, lighting and catering vehicles. > > EMI 2001 cameras were used and needed an hour to settle down and be lined up every time a camera cable was disconnected. As it was a four camera scanner, the usual technique was to set up the first two cameras on set and then have the other two cameras rigged and lined up for the next scene. When shooting that second scene, the first two cameras were unplugged, relocated and lined up ready for use for scene 3. The results were fabulous, but the hassles to be overcome in order to achieve those results were all too obvious. I felt that the series demonstrated that OB location drama was the way forward, but the technology was not ready for it in 1971. Towards the end of the 70s, smaller cameras had become available and the LMCR and then the LPU were built to exploit the possibilities. > > These days, directors can dispense with a massive scanner. Several self contained cameras can be carried in a small van, but instead of travelling light, present day dramas tend to have a circus even bigger than the one we had on Jude the Obscure. Last year they were shooting Father Brown in the next village to me. The unit base was enormous and there were several vehicles almost as large as our ?unwieldy and impractical? scanner, but these vehicles were Winnebagos for the principal artists and palatial accommodation for make up and costume departments, multiple catering vehicles, dining buses, grips vans, sparks, genny and heaven know what else. I?ve worked on enough modern dramas to understand what these vehicles are for and why they are needed. I?m just amused that large scanners were considered wholly unacceptable for drama shoots in the 70s, but equally large vehicles are now essential these days, even for a single camera shoot. I know that the unit base can be much more distant than a scanner can be from the cameras, but still find it amusing. > > Alan Taylor > > <17. BBC Jude The Obscure 1971.jpg> > <16. 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Geoff G On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 11:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I can?t say that I?ve ever noticed any obvious correlation between the > subject matter or author and the morale or happiness of the cast and crew. > > I worked on a Film Two production, The Russian Soldier, which was an > exceedingly depressing story where all the main characters and thousands of > animals were doomed to die a horrible death, yet shooting it was a joyous > process and we had some of the best unit parties ever. Others I can think > of, but won?t name were happy fun-filled stories, but turned out to be the > most miserable shows to work on. > > I think it all comes down to the mix of personalities and whether > seemingly minor issues manage to escalate into major differences. Alan > Shallcross produced The Russian Soldier and several other dramas I worked > on. He was a great believer in maintaining a good atmosphere on location > and once told me that when on location, he regarded part of his job to be a > sort of master of ceremonies, making sure that everybody got on well > together in order to produce the best possible results. > > When spending ten or twelve weeks on location with a relatively small > number of people, the way that people interact and work together becomes > hugely important. If it turns into a bad atmosphere, you just want it to > finish and to get out of there. Fortunately that?s not a situation I have > had to face very often. > > When it comes to topless women and ?sexed up? storylines, Barry Davis ( > the director, not the commentator ) directed Iris Murdoch?s The Bell. > Near the start of the book, it describes a house window where we see two > people smooching to some music. That wouldn?t do for Barry, so with it > being one of the first scenes in the story, the party was portrayed as > being something closer to a wild orgy in order to make people want to keep > watching. > > There was a scene in a later episode where a nun has to be rescued from > drowning in a lake by another nun who swims to her aid. Again this > wouldn?t do for Barry, so the scene ended up requiring a nun to rip off her > habit and dive topless into the lake to rescue the drowning nun ( played by > Trudie Styler - aka Sting?s wife ). Barry then needed to find an actress > who was a strong swimmer, was prepared to have her head shaved and to be > seen topless, not an easy one to cast. In the end he found one who met two > out of three of those conditions. You?ve guessed it, shaven head and > topless was deemed to be more important than being a strong swimmer. When > action was called, she ripped off her habit, dived into the lake and headed > towards Trudie. When she reached her, it was the most realistic > near-drowning sequence imaginable, largely because she could hardly manage > to keep afloat any longer and was clinging on to Trudie in the hope of > getting some buoyancy, while Trudie was pretending to drown until it dawned > on her that if things carried on the way they were going, she was in danger > of being pulled under and drowning for real. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 24 Feb 2021, at 10:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? "I don't have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by > Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on > it as quite a happy OB." > > Not a bad atmosphere exactly, more a depressed atmosphere. probably comes > from working on Thomas Hardy. Though Hugh was quite outspoken about the > actress who wouldn't. > > B > > > > On 24/02/2021 10:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Feb 24 13:18:37 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2021 19:18:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: References: <297E3172-4BC7-4CBA-ADC6-C35218E71177@me.com> Message-ID: WhenI was on Dave Mutton's Crew 14 we did Les Miserables serial in Lime Grove. Frank Finley was Valjean and Michelle Dotrice was Fantine. Over the weekly episodes she lost her teeth, her hair, and died a horrible death. Valjean was hounded unmercifully by Javert. The crew became gradually more and more depressed and we all started to loathe the poor actor playing Javert - so much so that even now I can't remember his name. Our alcohol intake post recordings increased noticeably as the weeks went on. On the final day we all felt a sense of relief. I remember Dave Mutton waltzing around with a laughing diminutive make up girl standing on his size 13s in celebration! Geoff F On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 19:04, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > In my experience long location drama shoots follow a similar pattern. > First few weeks enthusiasm, middle weeks morale drops and tendency to > tetchyness, last few weeks enthusiasm again and as the end approaches > regrets that it will soon be pver and everyone will go their own ways again. > Geoff G > > On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 at 11:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > >> I can?t say that I?ve ever noticed any obvious correlation between the >> subject matter or author and the morale or happiness of the cast and crew. >> >> I worked on a Film Two production, The Russian Soldier, which was an >> exceedingly depressing story where all the main characters and thousands of >> animals were doomed to die a horrible death, yet shooting it was a joyous >> process and we had some of the best unit parties ever. Others I can think >> of, but won?t name were happy fun-filled stories, but turned out to be the >> most miserable shows to work on. >> >> I think it all comes down to the mix of personalities and whether >> seemingly minor issues manage to escalate into major differences. Alan >> Shallcross produced The Russian Soldier and several other dramas I worked >> on. He was a great believer in maintaining a good atmosphere on location >> and once told me that when on location, he regarded part of his job to be a >> sort of master of ceremonies, making sure that everybody got on well >> together in order to produce the best possible results. >> >> When spending ten or twelve weeks on location with a relatively small >> number of people, the way that people interact and work together becomes >> hugely important. If it turns into a bad atmosphere, you just want it to >> finish and to get out of there. Fortunately that?s not a situation I have >> had to face very often. >> >> When it comes to topless women and ?sexed up? storylines, Barry Davis ( >> the director, not the commentator ) directed Iris Murdoch?s The Bell. >> Near the start of the book, it describes a house window where we see two >> people smooching to some music. That wouldn?t do for Barry, so with it >> being one of the first scenes in the story, the party was portrayed as >> being something closer to a wild orgy in order to make people want to keep >> watching. >> >> There was a scene in a later episode where a nun has to be rescued from >> drowning in a lake by another nun who swims to her aid. Again this >> wouldn?t do for Barry, so the scene ended up requiring a nun to rip off her >> habit and dive topless into the lake to rescue the drowning nun ( played by >> Trudie Styler - aka Sting?s wife ). Barry then needed to find an actress >> who was a strong swimmer, was prepared to have her head shaved and to be >> seen topless, not an easy one to cast. In the end he found one who met two >> out of three of those conditions. You?ve guessed it, shaven head and >> topless was deemed to be more important than being a strong swimmer. When >> action was called, she ripped off her habit, dived into the lake and headed >> towards Trudie. When she reached her, it was the most realistic >> near-drowning sequence imaginable, largely because she could hardly manage >> to keep afloat any longer and was clinging on to Trudie in the hope of >> getting some buoyancy, while Trudie was pretending to drown until it dawned >> on her that if things carried on the way they were going, she was in danger >> of being pulled under and drowning for real. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> On 24 Feb 2021, at 10:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? "I don't have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by >> Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on >> it as quite a happy OB." >> >> Not a bad atmosphere exactly, more a depressed atmosphere. probably comes >> from working on Thomas Hardy. Though Hugh was quite outspoken about the >> actress who wouldn't. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 24/02/2021 10:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I don?t have any recollection of the bad atmosphere mentioned by Bernie. Either it passed me by, or started after the OB. I think back on it as quite a happy OB. >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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She didn?t have the heart to tell him to clear off so that she could get into character. Alan Taylor > On 24 Feb 2021, at 19:18, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > ? > WhenI was on Dave Mutton's Crew 14 we did Les Miserables serial in Lime Grove. Frank Finley was Valjean and Michelle Dotrice was Fantine. Over the weekly episodes she lost her teeth, her hair, and died a horrible death. Valjean was hounded unmercifully by Javert. The crew became gradually more and more depressed and we all started to loathe the poor actor playing Javert - so much so that even now I can't remember his name. Our alcohol intake post recordings increased noticeably as the weeks went on. On the final day we all felt a sense of relief. I remember Dave Mutton waltzing around with a laughing diminutive make up girl standing on his size 13s in celebration! > Geoff F -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I expect her agent had told her she should agree to do it if she wanted the job, Geoff From: Bernard Newnham Sent: 24 February 2021 20:21 To: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jude The Obscure in TC4 - and OB drama On 24/02/2021 15:10, geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com wrote: Since you were there Bernie, I?m wondering if that?s you with Camera 5, as that sounds about right for what you?d have been doing at the time (1971). Wow - that does indeed look like me. Thank you! B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Thu Feb 25 03:31:33 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 09:31:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Audition-u-might-like Message-ID: If you didn't see it already, I think you might like this. We've all been there a thousand times! https://tinyurl.com/a8kaefu7 Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware, m.i.p.s. 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Feb 25 05:05:32 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 11:05:32 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5904492a9cdavesound@btinternet.com> That has arrived here with tech-ops as the main address and Cc to your personal one. Did you intend this? In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Test > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Feb 25 05:22:16 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 11:22:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60378868.1c69fb81.3c725.1dce@mx.google.com> Another story from Pat?s film career (sorry, Nick!) ?To Olivia? has been released ? the story of Roald Dahl and Patricia Neal. I worked on a US/UK production ?The Patricia Neal Story? with Glenda Jackson playing Neal. Glenda can be somewhat terrifying. The first scene was shot in a garden, and all the principal actors were wired with radio mics, but it was quiet enough to use only a boom mic. Glenda had not yet appeared on set, and I was sent to de-rig her, she glared at me, saying: ?Don?t I speak?!? ?Yes, but we?re doing it a different way?, which satisfied her, but I was still scared of her! Later, at a BAFTA screening, she was at the bar, saw me, held out her arms, saying ? Where?s my hug, then!? There?s another couple of stories ? for later! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 24 February 2021 19:48 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jude the Obscure One of the sparks popped in for a pee but noticed Sasha alone in the bedroom looking really sad and depressed. ?He went over to her and spent the rest of the lunch break trying to cheer her up. ?She didn?t have the heart to tell him to clear off so that she could get into character. 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 06:57:50 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 12:57:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jude The Obscure in TC4 - and OB drama In-Reply-To: <003e01d70af0$7d91e0a0$78b5a1e0$@gmail.com> References: <00d701d70abf$3bcb9cf0$b362d6d0$@gmail.com> <4f6d215e-36e3-a90d-a5dd-a72a38dabc12@gmail.com> <003e01d70af0$7d91e0a0$78b5a1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6304a0e0-292f-8acb-c35a-97e5f5b6dfec@gmail.com> I assume this is her - https://www.aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=40333 B On 24/02/2021 21:03, geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com wrote: > > I thought so and if you look closely you can see the red colour of > your hair which is what gave it away. > > I just wish I could recall what the lady playing Arabella looked like > as she clearly impressed the critics even without baring her chest. > Today there would have been an intimacy co-ordinator to look after her > interests and make sure she wasn?t made to feel bad about it. Having > said that she should?ve made it clear in the first place that she > reserved the right to remain fully clothed when it came to it if she > wanted to. I expect her agent had told her she should agree to do it > if she wanted the job, > > ** > > *Geoff* > > *From:*Bernard Newnham > *Sent:* 24 February 2021 20:21 > *To:* geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Jude The Obscure in TC4 - and OB drama > > On 24/02/2021 15:10, geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com > wrote: > > Since you were there Bernie, I?m wondering if that?s you with > Camera 5, as that sounds about right for what you?d have been > doing at the time (1971). > > > Wow - that does indeed look like me. Thank you! > > B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Having > said that she should?ve made it clear in the first place that she > reserved the right to remain fully clothed when it came to it if she > wanted to. I expect her agent had told her she should agree to do it > if she wanted the job, > > ** > > *Geoff* > > *From:*Bernard Newnham > *Sent:* 24 February 2021 20:21 > *To:* geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Jude The Obscure in TC4 - and OB drama > > On 24/02/2021 15:10, geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com > wrote: > > Since you were there Bernie, I?m wondering if that?s you with > Camera 5, as that sounds about right for what you?d have been > doing at the time (1971). > > > Wow - that does indeed look like me. Thank you! > > B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Did you intend this? > > > > > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Test > >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Feb 25 07:17:01 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 13:17:01 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6376D7A840CB459FA63CD6BA1F21E1D6@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Same details as Dave Plowman lists. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 10:15 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: [Tech1] Test Test Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From gary_critcher at yahoo.com Thu Feb 25 08:03:28 2021 From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:03:28 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] spotted on Twitter References: <1622203034.375677.1614261809092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1622203034.375677.1614261809092@mail.yahoo.com> ?I spotted this on Twitter, thought it may be of interest.? ? I seem to be receiving posts on a hit and miss basis at the moment, including things I send out.??If you receive this in the next 15 minutes, could someone reply just so that I know it's been delivered?? 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Alan Taylor > On 25 Feb 2021, at 14:04, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I spotted this on Twitter, thought it may be of interest. > > I seem to be receiving posts on a hit and miss basis at the moment, including things I send out. > If you receive this in the next 15 minutes, could someone reply just so that I know it's been delivered? It's currently just after 2pm UK time. > > Many thanks indeed > Gary C > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's currently just after 2pm UK time. > > Many thanks indeed > Gary C > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.thonger at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 08:28:57 2021 From: geoff.thonger at gmail.com (Geoff Thonger) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:28:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] spotted on Twitter In-Reply-To: <1622203034.375677.1614261809092@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1622203034.375677.1614261809092.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1622203034.375677.1614261809092@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I certainly received it, I wonder how far the river was away? Geoff > On 25 Feb 2021, at 14:03, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > I spotted this on Twitter, thought it may be of interest. > > I seem to be receiving posts on a hit and miss basis at the moment, including things I send out. > If you receive this in the next 15 minutes, could someone reply just so that I know it's been delivered? It's currently just after 2pm UK time. > > Many thanks indeed > Gary C > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Feb 25 08:51:05 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 14:51:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] spotted on Twitter In-Reply-To: <1622203034.375677.1614261809092@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1622203034.375677.1614261809092@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Gary A bit late but I got it. Graeme Wall > On 25 Feb 2021, at 14:04, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I spotted this on Twitter, thought it may be of interest. > > I seem to be receiving posts on a hit and miss basis at the moment, including things I send out. > If you receive this in the next 15 minutes, could someone reply just so that I know it's been delivered? It's currently just after 2pm UK time. > > Many thanks indeed > Gary C > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Feb 25 09:21:29 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 15:21:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. Message-ID: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> Not so much LEDs being the problem, but the claims of the makers. Kitchen lighting was just fine. Happy with it for many years. Florries lighting the worktops under the cupboards and downlighters fitted with 75w Par 25 halogen lighting the other worktops. Lighting level on all the worktops pretty even. One central pendant light over the table with an attractive 100mm globe lamp - again tungsten. Four circuits each with a dimmer. The tungsten globe lamp NLA. The tungsten PAR 25 getting hard to find - so likely obsolescent too. So time to 'upgrade' to LED. And the halogen dimmers not suitable for LED. So a major re-work needed for LEDs. Switch panel has to be fabricated - three dimmers for the LEDs, and the existing one for the florries. Had to search far to find a 100mm globe LED - and also a pendant bulb holder for ES fittings. That works OK. But not the downlighters. 100w (equivalent) RO80 LEDs give nothing like the same light to the worktops. Scatter it everywhere else, though. And the bulbs themselves bright and distracting when sat at the table, even when dimmed. As they stick out beyond the fittings. There are PAR25 LEDs available but spec says much lower lumen output than those I have. And can cost near 30 quid each. The answer may be to change the fittings to the more common GU10 types. Which will involve a lot of making good due to them being smaller. Why is nothing ever simple? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Feb 25 10:02:37 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:02:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I put dimmable LED bulbs into two rooms and also changed the switches for dimmers suitable for LEDs but then found that the lamps flickered when partially illuminated. The dealer told me they were the wrong sort of LED dimmer for those bulbs. As he was unable to supply what he could guarantee to be the right sort, I demanded a refund. In the kitchen we have a few different types of LED bulbs and I was careful to make sure that they were all the same colour temperature, except they?re not. They all claim to be warm white, but when I measured the colour temperature using an app on my iPhone, it showed large variations of colour temperature which matched my perception of how they looked. In other rooms in the house, LED bulbs have worked out pretty well and I do like having a 2W bulb which can be very cheaply left on so that you don?t come home to complete darkness. Alan Taylor > On 25 Feb 2021, at 15:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Not so much LEDs being the problem, but the claims of the makers. > > Kitchen lighting was just fine. Happy with it for many years. Florries > lighting the worktops under the cupboards and downlighters fitted with 75w > Par 25 halogen lighting the other worktops. Lighting level on all the > worktops pretty even. One central pendant light over the table with an > attractive 100mm globe lamp - again tungsten. Four circuits each with a > dimmer. > > The tungsten globe lamp NLA. The tungsten PAR 25 getting hard to find - so > likely obsolescent too. So time to 'upgrade' to LED. And the halogen > dimmers not suitable for LED. > > So a major re-work needed for LEDs. Switch panel has to be fabricated - > three dimmers for the LEDs, and the existing one for the florries. Had to > search far to find a 100mm globe LED - and also a pendant bulb holder for > ES fittings. That works OK. > > But not the downlighters. 100w (equivalent) RO80 LEDs give nothing like > the same light to the worktops. Scatter it everywhere else, though. And > the bulbs themselves bright and distracting when sat at the table, even > when dimmed. As they stick out beyond the fittings. There are PAR25 LEDs > available but spec says much lower lumen output than those I have. And can > cost near 30 quid each. > > The answer may be to change the fittings to the more common GU10 types. > Which will involve a lot of making good due to them being smaller. > > Why is nothing ever simple? > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Thu Feb 25 10:08:57 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:08:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: We are all LED now in our house, but the last owner put seven 4ft 40Watt warm white florries over and around the double garage workshop/utility area. They are fine at the moment. Kitchen, loos, bathrooms, all GU10, and when full up, more than bright enough. No dimmer switches here because the GU10?s are all step-dimmed (switch on for full brightess, then flick on/off up to four times for 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 brightness. One thing that takes getting used to, though not a big deal, is that the 2800 Kelvin CT stays the same on all brightness settings. Buying in quantity, I think the step-dimmed GU10?s were about ?1.49 each plus VAT from CPC. The rest of the house are mostly clear 4Watt E14 with E14 to bayonet adaptors where needed. (Multiples in chandeliersj. These need LED dimmers rated 4 to 40Wats max. Old fashioned tungsten dimmers won?t do. I have to admit, I have reservations about these bulbs though, because the antique-look LED ?filaments? radiate most light out to the sides donut fashion, not so much end-on. Maybe there are better ones in that respect, I don?t know. Cardioids would be better if they existed! Also, we have a number of ?striplite? picture/bookshelf and under-shelf lights, and they all have direct replacement 240Volt LED?s too. Ditto all seven exterior lights - all LED too. Down from 300W each to now 20W each. Just leave ?em on! All in all, thoroughly worth doing. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 25 Feb 2021, at 15:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Not so much LEDs being the problem, but the claims of the makers. > > Kitchen lighting was just fine. Happy with it for many years. Florries > lighting the worktops under the cupboards and downlighters fitted with 75w > Par 25 halogen lighting the other worktops. Lighting level on all the > worktops pretty even. One central pendant light over the table with an > attractive 100mm globe lamp - again tungsten. Four circuits each with a > dimmer. > > The tungsten globe lamp NLA. The tungsten PAR 25 getting hard to find - so > likely obsolescent too. So time to 'upgrade' to LED. And the halogen > dimmers not suitable for LED. > > So a major re-work needed for LEDs. Switch panel has to be fabricated - > three dimmers for the LEDs, and the existing one for the florries. Had to > search far to find a 100mm globe LED - and also a pendant bulb holder for > ES fittings. That works OK. > > But not the downlighters. 100w (equivalent) RO80 LEDs give nothing like > the same light to the worktops. Scatter it everywhere else, though. And > the bulbs themselves bright and distracting when sat at the table, even > when dimmed. As they stick out beyond the fittings. There are PAR25 LEDs > available but spec says much lower lumen output than those I have. And can > cost near 30 quid each. > > The answer may be to change the fittings to the more common GU10 types. > Which will involve a lot of making good due to them being smaller. > > Why is nothing ever simple? > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Thu Feb 25 10:40:08 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:40:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87627478-BF73-44EF-9A2E-47C846F6B78C@mac.com> But what else would you do with your time, Dave? Like Nick, we are now exclusively LED, except for a couple of over ten year old CFCs in a standard lamp and a table lamp. I find the light level and dispersion angles quite good and the options have greatly increased since we first went to LEDs. In the ten years we?ve been in this house, I think we?ve only had two failures indoors, although I have replaced two or three where I had underestimated the necessary output. I?ve probably had to replace the exterior porch lights twice, but they are on from dawn till dusk, so I am not surprised at that. At only 7 watts apiece, they have comparable consumption to the old nightlights, but more than adequately illuminate the drive - sufficient to keep the security cameras working in colour. Mike G > On 25 Feb 2021, at 16:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We are all LED now in our house, but the last owner put seven 4ft 40Watt warm white florries over and around the double garage workshop/utility area. They are fine at the moment. Kitchen, loos, bathrooms, all GU10, and when full up, more than bright enough. No dimmer switches here because the GU10?s are all step-dimmed (switch on for full brightess, then flick on/off up to four times for 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 brightness. One thing that takes getting used to, though not a big deal, is that the 2800 Kelvin CT stays the same on all brightness settings. Buying in quantity, I think the step-dimmed GU10?s were about ?1.49 each plus VAT from CPC. > The rest of the house are mostly clear 4Watt E14 with E14 to bayonet adaptors where needed. (Multiples in chandeliersj. These need LED dimmers rated 4 to 40Wats max. Old fashioned tungsten dimmers won?t do. I have to admit, I have reservations about these bulbs though, because the antique-look LED ?filaments? radiate most light out to the sides donut fashion, not so much end-on. Maybe there are better ones in that respect, I don?t know. Cardioids would be better if they existed! > Also, we have a number of ?striplite? picture/bookshelf and under-shelf lights, and they all have direct replacement 240Volt LED?s too. > Ditto all seven exterior lights - all LED too. Down from 300W each to now 20W each. Just leave ?em on! > All in all, thoroughly worth doing. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 25 Feb 2021, at 15:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Not so much LEDs being the problem, but the claims of the makers. >> Kitchen lighting was just fine. Happy with it for many years. Florries >> lighting the worktops under the cupboards and downlighters fitted with 75w >> Par 25 halogen lighting the other worktops. Lighting level on all the >> worktops pretty even. One central pendant light over the table with an >> attractive 100mm globe lamp - again tungsten. Four circuits each with a >> dimmer. >> The tungsten globe lamp NLA. The tungsten PAR 25 getting hard to find - so >> likely obsolescent too. So time to 'upgrade' to LED. And the halogen >> dimmers not suitable for LED. >> So a major re-work needed for LEDs. Switch panel has to be fabricated - >> three dimmers for the LEDs, and the existing one for the florries. Had to >> search far to find a 100mm globe LED - and also a pendant bulb holder for >> ES fittings. That works OK. >> But not the downlighters. 100w (equivalent) RO80 LEDs give nothing like >> the same light to the worktops. Scatter it everywhere else, though. And >> the bulbs themselves bright and distracting when sat at the table, even >> when dimmed. As they stick out beyond the fittings. There are PAR25 LEDs >> available but spec says much lower lumen output than those I have. And can >> cost near 30 quid each. >> The answer may be to change the fittings to the more common GU10 types. >> Which will involve a lot of making good due to them being smaller. >> Why is nothing ever simple? >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Feb 25 10:52:50 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:52:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <590468f5f2davesound@btinternet.com> Since I had to make up the switch panel (a two gang blank plate drilled to accept dimmer modules) I used V-Pro units from TLC. I've used them before. They have an ordinary push on/push off rotary knob, but can be programmed to one of three modes - leading edge, trailing edge and another I can't remember. And you can preset the max and minimum levels. So in theory can cope with most loads other than inductive and meant to work with any type of dimmable LED, as well as tungsten. They also do a soft start, so fade the lights up when switched on. Warm white LED, meant to match tungsten, always seems slightly green to me. Not the most pleasant difference. But I do object to the claims for the actual light levels - which CFL started. I've not seem many claiming to be a 100w equivalent which do what they say on the tin. I do wonder if their 100 watt reference is a carbon filament lamp from before WW2. ;-) In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I put dimmable LED bulbs into two rooms and also changed the switches > for dimmers suitable for LEDs but then found that the lamps flickered > when partially illuminated. The dealer told me they were the wrong sort > of LED dimmer for those bulbs. As he was unable to supply what he could > guarantee to be the right sort, I demanded a refund. > In the kitchen we have a few different types of LED bulbs and I was > careful to make sure that they were all the same colour temperature, > except they?re not. They all claim to be warm white, but when I > measured the colour temperature using an app on my iPhone, it showed > large variations of colour temperature which matched my perception of > how they looked. > In other rooms in the house, LED bulbs have worked out pretty well and I > do like having a 2W bulb which can be very cheaply left on so that you > don?t come home to complete darkness. > Alan Taylor > > On 25 Feb 2021, at 15:21, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > #Not so much LEDs being the problem, but the claims of the makers. > > > > Kitchen lighting was just fine. Happy with it for many years. Florries > > lighting the worktops under the cupboards and downlighters fitted with > > 75w Par 25 halogen lighting the other worktops. Lighting level on all > > the worktops pretty even. One central pendant light over the table > > with an attractive 100mm globe lamp - again tungsten. Four circuits > > each with a dimmer. > > > > The tungsten globe lamp NLA. The tungsten PAR 25 getting hard to find > > - so likely obsolescent too. So time to 'upgrade' to LED. And the > > halogen dimmers not suitable for LED. > > > > So a major re-work needed for LEDs. Switch panel has to be fabricated > > - three dimmers for the LEDs, and the existing one for the florries. > > Had to search far to find a 100mm globe LED - and also a pendant bulb > > holder for ES fittings. That works OK. > > > > But not the downlighters. 100w (equivalent) RO80 LEDs give nothing > > like the same light to the worktops. Scatter it everywhere else, > > though. And the bulbs themselves bright and distracting when sat at > > the table, even when dimmed. As they stick out beyond the fittings. > > There are PAR25 LEDs available but spec says much lower lumen output > > than those I have. And can cost near 30 quid each. > > > > The answer may be to change the fittings to the more common GU10 > > types. Which will involve a lot of making good due to them being > > smaller. > > > > Why is nothing ever simple? > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Feb 25 10:58:15 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 16:58:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <590469757edavesound@btinternet.com> In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > We are all LED now in our house, but the last owner put seven 4ft 40Watt > warm white florries over and around the double garage workshop/utility > area. They are fine at the moment. The florries in the kitchen, under the wall cupboards, cost rather a lot many many years ago. Osram dimming electronic ballasts. Posh Philips tri-phosphor wide spectrum tubes matching halogen. But have been extremely reliable and perfect for that job. I just hate being forced to change something when the modern equivalent is worse in any way. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Feb 25 11:55:09 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:55:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6037e47d.1c69fb81.229f7.e07e@mx.google.com> Where I live, in one block of three purpose built blocks of flats, we have recently upgraded the communal hallways lighting to PIR sensing, with emergency battery back-up. Not for private houses, granted, but the exterior lights are similar, operating on internal ambient lighting switches, except for one which has a PIR sensor as well. I does mean that my usual job of checking that the original timeclocks show the right time has now been superceded. I can recommend the Disco exterior lights if you have a rear patio, as the Surrey Police keep advising a well lit area to deter nefarious characters! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 25 February 2021 16:09 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Nick Ware Subject: Re: [Tech1] LED rant. We are all LED now in our house, but the last owner put seven 4ft 40Watt warm white florries over and around the double garage workshop/utility area. They are fine at the moment. Kitchen, loos, bathrooms, all GU10, and when full up, more than bright enough. No dimmer switches here because the GU10?s are all step-dimmed (switch on for full brightess, then flick on/off up to four times for 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 brightness. One thing that takes getting used to, though not a big deal, is that the 2800 Kelvin CT stays the same on all brightness settings. Buying in quantity, I think the step-dimmed GU10?s were about ?1.49 each plus VAT from CPC. The rest of the house are mostly clear 4Watt E14 with E14 to bayonet adaptors where needed. (Multiples in chandeliersj. These need LED dimmers rated 4 to 40Wats max. Old fashioned tungsten dimmers won?t do. I have to admit, I have reservations about these bulbs though, because the antique-look LED ?filaments? radiate most light out to the sides donut fashion, not so much end-on. Maybe there are better ones in that respect, I don?t know. Cardioids would be better if they existed! Also, we have a number of ?striplite? picture/bookshelf and under-shelf lights, and they all have direct replacement 240Volt LED?s too. Ditto all seven exterior lights - all LED too. Down from 300W each to now 20W each. Just leave ?em on! All in all, thoroughly worth doing. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Disco 4000K Led ADILED2 UK.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 163102 bytes Desc: not available URL: From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Thu Feb 25 13:54:12 2021 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 19:54:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recently went 100% led in our house. The best result was in the kitchen where I replaced dangling wires with gu10s with four tracks screwed into our oak beams. The room has always been dark due to being an old house with small windows. So now we have 16 six watt leds using about the same power as two 50 watt halogens and we can now see what we are eating! It is as light as a tv studio but after years of semi darkness we have much lower energy consumption and can see all the cobwebs. I cannot remember the make of the tracks but they came with five led light fittings per track and the leds are really good quality with no failures yet. Leds do not last for ever but these are a step up from the dead cheap ones I have bought before. They regularly just stopped working. I think the four three metre tracks including light fittings and leds came out at about ?220 total. I will just go away and find the make of bulbs and tracks. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/10-X-AURORA-GU10-LED-LAMP-6-WATT-WARM-WHITE-BRIGHT-430-LUMENS-25-000-HOUR-NEW-/352306912890 They are about ?2.20 each if you buy ten. I ordered these for the rest of the house, highly recommended. The same place sells the tracks. Barry Sent from my iPad > On 25 Feb 2021, at 18:35, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We are all LED now in our house, but the last owner put seven 4ft 40Watt warm white florries over and around the double garage workshop/utility area. They are fine at the moment. Kitchen, loos, bathrooms, all GU10, and when full up, more than bright enough. No dimmer switches here because the GU10?s are all step-dimmed (switch on for full brightess, then flick on/off up to four times for 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 brightness. One thing that takes getting used to, though not a big deal, is that the 2800 Kelvin CT stays the same on all brightness settings. Buying in quantity, I think the step-dimmed GU10?s were about ?1.49 each plus VAT from CPC. > The rest of the house are mostly clear 4Watt E14 with E14 to bayonet adaptors where needed. (Multiples in chandeliersj. These need LED dimmers rated 4 to 40Wats max. Old fashioned tungsten dimmers won?t do. I have to admit, I have reservations about these bulbs though, because the antique-look LED ?filaments? radiate most light out to the sides donut fashion, not so much end-on. Maybe there are better ones in that respect, I don?t know. Cardioids would be better if they existed! > Also, we have a number of ?striplite? picture/bookshelf and under-shelf lights, and they all have direct replacement 240Volt LED?s too. > Ditto all seven exterior lights - all LED too. Down from 300W each to now 20W each. Just leave ?em on! > All in all, thoroughly worth doing. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 25 Feb 2021, at 15:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Not so much LEDs being the problem, but the claims of the makers. >> >> Kitchen lighting was just fine. Happy with it for many years. Florries >> lighting the worktops under the cupboards and downlighters fitted with 75w >> Par 25 halogen lighting the other worktops. Lighting level on all the >> worktops pretty even. One central pendant light over the table with an >> attractive 100mm globe lamp - again tungsten. Four circuits each with a >> dimmer. >> >> The tungsten globe lamp NLA. The tungsten PAR 25 getting hard to find - so >> likely obsolescent too. So time to 'upgrade' to LED. And the halogen >> dimmers not suitable for LED. >> >> So a major re-work needed for LEDs. Switch panel has to be fabricated - >> three dimmers for the LEDs, and the existing one for the florries. Had to >> search far to find a 100mm globe LED - and also a pendant bulb holder for >> ES fittings. That works OK. >> >> But not the downlighters. 100w (equivalent) RO80 LEDs give nothing like >> the same light to the worktops. Scatter it everywhere else, though. And >> the bulbs themselves bright and distracting when sat at the table, even >> when dimmed. As they stick out beyond the fittings. There are PAR25 LEDs >> available but spec says much lower lumen output than those I have. And can >> cost near 30 quid each. >> >> The answer may be to change the fittings to the more common GU10 types. >> Which will involve a lot of making good due to them being smaller. >> >> Why is nothing ever simple? >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mibridge at mac.com Thu Feb 25 16:59:28 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 22:59:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red sky at night! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417325BE-8251-4FEC-AF2F-521A892D2699@mac.com> Which red sky would that be then Dave? I see no ships, let alone nefarious neighbours! Mike G > On 25 Feb 2021, at 22:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Tonight's sky, should be nice tomorrow! Cheers, Dave. PS. Note the visitors next door, we are still in lock-down! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Thu Feb 25 17:02:51 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 23:02:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] spotted on Twitter - Boat Race coverage 1949 In-Reply-To: <904ccfb1-941a-9572-16af-54ea3602931a@btinternet.com> References: <5D58717DA41F48A6A2BDDF1BF22BE108@Gigabyte> <904ccfb1-941a-9572-16af-54ea3602931a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3B61B8CB-8995-4795-898A-ADB2DD926F0F@mac.com> Can you send again, MIke? I?ve only seen Dave?s reply, with just a line of quoted text text from you with no attachments. Mike G > On 25 Feb 2021, at 21:51, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Which one was you , Mike? I didn't recognise the suit? Cheers, Dave > > On 25/02/2021 16:43, Mike Jordan wrote: >> >> From a tech ops page. >> >> I like the ladder at the front. A precursor to a PTA or Eagle Tower? >> >> Mike > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 25 17:15:38 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2021 23:15:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red sky at night! In-Reply-To: <417325BE-8251-4FEC-AF2F-521A892D2699@mac.com> References: <417325BE-8251-4FEC-AF2F-521A892D2699@mac.com> Message-ID: Ok, I admit not quite crimson red but a nice pale pink, much better than the recent grey doom clouds! Cheers, Dave PS. My BAME neighbours have continued having BBQs and parties ever since the first lockdown, with no masks and no distancing. On 25/02/2021 22:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Which red sky would that be then Dave? I see no ships, let alone nefarious neighbours! > > Mike G > >> On 25 Feb 2021, at 22:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Tonight's sky, should be nice tomorrow! Cheers, Dave. PS. Note the visitors next door, we are still in lock-down! >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Feb 25 18:00:16 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 00:00:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704@btinternet.com> As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave On 25/02/2021 16:08, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > We are all LED now in our house, but the last owner put seven 4ft 40Watt warm white florries over and around the double garage workshop/utility area. They are fine at the moment. Kitchen, loos, bathrooms, all GU10, and when full up, more than bright enough. No dimmer switches here because the GU10?s are all step-dimmed (switch on for full brightess, then flick on/off up to four times for 3/4, 1/2, 1/4 brightness. One thing that takes getting used to, though not a big deal, is that the 2800 Kelvin CT stays the same on all brightness settings. Buying in quantity, I think the step-dimmed GU10?s were about ?1.49 each plus VAT from CPC. > The rest of the house are mostly clear 4Watt E14 with E14 to bayonet adaptors where needed. (Multiples in chandeliersj. These need LED dimmers rated 4 to 40Wats max. Old fashioned tungsten dimmers won?t do. I have to admit, I have reservations about these bulbs though, because the antique-look LED ?filaments? radiate most light out to the sides donut fashion, not so much end-on. Maybe there are better ones in that respect, I don?t know. Cardioids would be better if they existed! > Also, we have a number of ?striplite? picture/bookshelf and under-shelf lights, and they all have direct replacement 240Volt LED?s too. > Ditto all seven exterior lights - all LED too. Down from 300W each to now 20W each. Just leave ?em on! > All in all, thoroughly worth doing. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 25 Feb 2021, at 15:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Not so much LEDs being the problem, but the claims of the makers. >> >> Kitchen lighting was just fine. Happy with it for many years. Florries >> lighting the worktops under the cupboards and downlighters fitted with 75w >> Par 25 halogen lighting the other worktops. Lighting level on all the >> worktops pretty even. One central pendant light over the table with an >> attractive 100mm globe lamp - again tungsten. Four circuits each with a >> dimmer. >> >> The tungsten globe lamp NLA. The tungsten PAR 25 getting hard to find - so >> likely obsolescent too. So time to 'upgrade' to LED. And the halogen >> dimmers not suitable for LED. >> >> So a major re-work needed for LEDs. Switch panel has to be fabricated - >> three dimmers for the LEDs, and the existing one for the florries. Had to >> search far to find a 100mm globe LED - and also a pendant bulb holder for >> ES fittings. That works OK. >> >> But not the downlighters. 100w (equivalent) RO80 LEDs give nothing like >> the same light to the worktops. Scatter it everywhere else, though. And >> the bulbs themselves bright and distracting when sat at the table, even >> when dimmed. As they stick out beyond the fittings. There are PAR25 LEDs >> available but spec says much lower lumen output than those I have. And can >> cost near 30 quid each. >> >> The answer may be to change the fittings to the more common GU10 types. >> Which will involve a lot of making good due to them being smaller. >> >> Why is nothing ever simple? >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Thu Feb 25 18:15:33 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 00:15:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Red sky at night! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What I meant Dave was that there was no attachment! Mike > On 25 Feb 2021, at 23:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Ok, I admit not quite crimson red but a nice pale pink, much better than the recent grey doom clouds! Cheers, Dave PS. My BAME neighbours have continued having BBQs and parties ever since the first lockdown, with no masks and no distancing. > >> On 25/02/2021 22:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> Which red sky would that be then Dave? I see no ships, let alone nefarious neighbours! >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 25 Feb 2021, at 22:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Tonight's sky, should be nice tomorrow! Cheers, Dave. PS. Note the visitors next door, we are still in lock-down! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Fri Feb 26 04:24:50 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 10:24:50 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] spotted on Twitter - Boat Race coverage 1949 In-Reply-To: <3B61B8CB-8995-4795-898A-ADB2DD926F0F@mac.com> References: <5D58717DA41F48A6A2BDDF1BF22BE108@Gigabyte><904ccfb1-941a-9572-16af-54ea3602931a@btinternet.com> <3B61B8CB-8995-4795-898A-ADB2DD926F0F@mac.com> Message-ID: For Mike Giles! Try again Mike J From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 11:02 PM To: Tech Ops Cc: Mike Giles Subject: Re: [Tech1] spotted on Twitter - Boat Race coverage 1949 Can you send again, MIke? 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Also spotted while browsing my 1972 diary two other unusual shows I did while on LO 21. They were location inserts into The Engelbert Humperdinck Show with Eng and The Young Generation dancers. First location was Horsted Keynes station on the Bluebell Railway, renamed Generation Gap where a steam train ?driven? by Eng steamed in to the platform, all the doors opened and the YG poured onto the platform and performed a dance routine fronted by Eng singing. It was directed by none other than Stewart Morris and did not go well with problems with the speed and stopping of the train which couldn?t hit it?s marks! I seem to recall poor Stan Appel was prod manager trying to reset it all endless times which took ages. The final straw was when he told Stewart that the engine needed to refill it?s water tanks at the other end of the line and it would take an hour. Stewart exploded but we got it all done in the end. I can still recall him shouting ?Gun the train Stan - faster!? over talkback. Second location was, unbelievably, the fully working main assembly line at Vauxhall Motors in Luton, with the same performers doing a song and dance routine around the moving assembly line, much to the interest of the car workers and the detriment of the quality of the cars they were assembling. Many were leaking or wouldn?t start when they came off the line! I think that one went ok but wouldn?t get past H&S these days. Cheers Robin S > On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. > > The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - > https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside > > I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. > > If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. > > I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. > > I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland wrote: >> >> ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. >> >> The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. >> It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. >> Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. >> >> I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. >> It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! >> >> Robin Sutherland > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MO1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 146459 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MO2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 121952 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Steam is made from water, so if you waste steam, you waste water and then need to refill, which meant going all the way back to where the water supply was. I?m not sure if anybody explained that to Stewart beforehand and would imagine that nobody volunteered to tell him afterwards either. Thanks Robin for supplying those pictures and dates, it?s filled in a lot of blanks for me and I can now put dates, locations and programmes to some of the events I remember. For instance, a while ago I told a tale of a lighting electrician using old single core wiring, who extended the run in a panic by using cables with the wrong colour code. Either he or one of the other electricians ended up shorting out the system and about a metre of heavy duty cable and brass connectors vaporised instantly, amazingly without causing serious injury. That happened on 3rd Feb ?72 in Kilburn. Alan Taylor > On 26 Feb 2021, at 11:06, Robin Sutherland wrote: > > ?Hi Alan & all > > The shooting dates for the inserts I did with LO 21 were: > > 12-14 January 1972 ?Last Target? with Michael Redgrave & Ann Todd. Locations in Chenies & Latimer. > > 27-28 January 1972 White Waltham > > 3-4 February 1972 Cambridge road Kilburn NW6. > > 24-25 February 1972 Norland Square W11. > > 8-9 May 1972 50 Woodville Gardens EalingW5 > > I have sent all this to Brian Summers. Also found some photos of the first shoot with Ann Todd sitting on the bench. Martin Wyatt on camera mounted on what I?m pretty sure is a Chapman Titan crane. > > Also spotted while browsing my 1972 diary two other unusual shows I did while on LO 21. They were location inserts into The Engelbert Humperdinck Show with Eng and The Young Generation dancers. > > First location was Horsted Keynes station on the Bluebell Railway, renamed Generation Gap where a steam train ?driven? by Eng steamed in to the platform, all the doors opened and the YG poured onto the platform and performed a dance routine fronted by Eng singing. > It was directed by none other than Stewart Morris and did not go well with problems with the speed and stopping of the train which couldn?t hit it?s marks! I seem to recall poor Stan Appel was prod manager trying to reset it all endless times which took ages. The final straw was when he told Stewart that the engine needed to refill it?s water tanks at the other end of the line and it would take an hour. Stewart exploded but we got it all done in the end. I can still recall him shouting ?Gun the train Stan - faster!? over talkback. > > Second location was, unbelievably, the fully working main assembly line at Vauxhall Motors in Luton, with the same performers doing a song and dance routine around the moving assembly line, much to the interest of the car workers and the detriment of the quality of the cars they were assembling. Many were leaking or wouldn?t start when they came off the line! I think that one went ok but wouldn?t get past H&S these days. > > Cheers > > Robin S > > > > > > > >> On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. >> >> The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - >> https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside >> >> I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. >> >> If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. >> >> I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. >> >> I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland wrote: >>> >>> ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. >>> >>> The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. >>> It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. >>> Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. >>> >>> I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. >>> It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! >>> >>> Robin Sutherland >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 26 05:21:52 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:21:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704@btinternet.com> References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5904ce7f87davesound@btinternet.com> I know I'm very picky about lighting. I not only want the quality and intensity, but the fitting to look 'right' both off and on. And a GLS in a downlighter would outrage my sensibilities. ;-) I got RO80 so called direct replacements from my usual electrical wholesaler. TLC in Merton. Having long ago discovered that their quality is better than that you get in the average shed. Very noticeable with GU10 - I bought some fittings for those from B&Q, lamps included. And all failed very quickly. The Bell replacements from TLC had the life I'd expect. The problem with the RO80 LED is although it looks like a reflector 'spot' the light output is near omni directional. Meaning they are lighting the walls to the expense of the worktops, which are very noticeably less bright than with tungsten. And flooding the entire room with light simply isn't the effect I'm after. I eventually found some PAR25 LEDs at an affordable price - they arrive later today. Fingers crossed they do what I want. In article <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am > replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with > no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms > 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one > down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My > local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Feb 26 05:36:19 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:36:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <5381B565-D30E-4FB0-9C4A-D3FD5E1B9F2E@ukgateway.net> References: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> <5381B565-D30E-4FB0-9C4A-D3FD5E1B9F2E@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: <6A494D68044F4EE683B52F415924AEDC@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I worked on the studio end of the YG shows through Jan & Feb 1972, initially in TVT but switched mid Feb first to TC1 then TC8. Hugh Barker mixing of course with Stewart being Stewart as per usual. Never saw nor knew anything of the location shoots other than seeing the finished inserts and thus find these pictures and anecdotes interesting and fascinating. What a wonderful addition to the ever building archive. Dave Newbitt. From: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 11:05 AM To: TechOps Forum Cc: Robin Sutherland Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama Hi Alan & all The shooting dates for the inserts I did with LO 21 were: 12-14 January 1972 ?Last Target? with Michael Redgrave & Ann Todd. Locations in Chenies & Latimer. 27-28 January 1972 White Waltham 3-4 February 1972 Cambridge road Kilburn NW6. 24-25 February 1972 Norland Square W11. 8-9 May 1972 50 Woodville Gardens EalingW5 I have sent all this to Brian Summers. Also found some photos of the first shoot with Ann Todd sitting on the bench. Martin Wyatt on camera mounted on what I?m pretty sure is a Chapman Titan crane. Also spotted while browsing my 1972 diary two other unusual shows I did while on LO 21. They were location inserts into The Engelbert Humperdinck Show with Eng and The Young Generation dancers. First location was Horsted Keynes station on the Bluebell Railway, renamed Generation Gap where a steam train ?driven? by Eng steamed in to the platform, all the doors opened and the YG poured onto the platform and performed a dance routine fronted by Eng singing. It was directed by none other than Stewart Morris and did not go well with problems with the speed and stopping of the train which couldn?t hit it?s marks! I seem to recall poor Stan Appel was prod manager trying to reset it all endless times which took ages. The final straw was when he told Stewart that the engine needed to refill it?s water tanks at the other end of the line and it would take an hour. Stewart exploded but we got it all done in the end. I can still recall him shouting ?Gun the train Stan - faster!? over talkback. Second location was, unbelievably, the fully working main assembly line at Vauxhall Motors in Luton, with the same performers doing a song and dance routine around the moving assembly line, much to the interest of the car workers and the detriment of the quality of the cars they were assembling. Many were leaking or wouldn?t start when they came off the line! I think that one went ok but wouldn?t get past H&S these days. Cheers Robin S -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Feb 26 05:49:42 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 11:49:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <5381B565-D30E-4FB0-9C4A-D3FD5E1B9F2E@ukgateway.net> References: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> <5381B565-D30E-4FB0-9C4A-D3FD5E1B9F2E@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: <6038e055.1c69fb81.e833f.2a68@mx.google.com> Train Stories: Here are a few from my career. The engine/water tale is one I also experienced ? see Eye of the Needle story. I never worked with Stewart Morris, but I appreciated his ability to say: ?I want? and get it! I once did a single camera shoot with one of the girl dance teams (can?t remember which) down the middle of the King?s Road ? don?t know how we got away with it! ? must have had Traffic Police co-operation. Best wishes to all Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 Sent: 26 February 2021 11:06 To: TechOps Forum Cc: Robin Sutherland Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama First location was Horsted Keynes station on the Bluebell Railway, renamed Generation Gap where a steam train ?driven? by Eng steamed in to the platform, all the doors opened and the YG poured onto the platform and performed a dance routine fronted by Eng singing. It was directed by none other than Stewart Morris and did not go well with problems with the speed and stopping of the train which couldn?t hit it?s marks! I seem to recall poor Stan Appel was prod manager trying to reset it all endless times which took ages. The final straw was when he told Stewart that the engine needed to refill it?s water tanks at the other end of the line and it would take an hour. Stewart exploded but we got it all done in the end. I can still recall him shouting ?Gun the train Stan - faster!? over talkback.? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat H Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 26 February 2021 11:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama Further to Robin?s story about Stewart Morris and his adventure on the Bluebell line. ?The main reason why the loco used up it?s water so rapidly is because Stewart wanted the cylinder drain cocks left open so that the shots looked impressive. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 06:46:14 2021 From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 12:46:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Man Outside Message-ID: I was certain I recognised the series with Rupert Davies as linkman, and I knew I worked on some episodes.? But trawling my diaries didn't throw up anything called Baker's Dozen.? The Web reference from Alan Taylor helped me find three double studio days labeled The Man Outside (so the retitling must have happened quite early).? We knew that we were not shooting the whole play, and the rest would be done on location with electronic cameras (2001's?). The days were 14-15 March 1972 (TC1); 14-15 April 1972 (TC3); 5-6 May 1972 (TC3).? I was no.3 on Crew 10.? I don't know which crew(s) did the other 10 episodes, but that May episode was undoubtedly Episode 13, with Ron Moody.? His co-star was the lovely Anna Cropper, and she was supposed to be blind.? They ended up in bed together, and she played the scene topless.? We weren't trying to be lascivious - it was a very gentle scene - but it got to the point where I had a shot where I could either frame a nipple, or carefully exclude it.? Both versions of the shot looked good to me, so it was really someone else's decision as to whether we saw the nipple or not.? On the dress run I did include it - expecting some comment.? None came.? At the post-supper notes session I said : do we see nipples this year, or not?? At last I got a response : No.? So that's the way I shot it.? The next day but one (8th May), I took my 5 year old (+ 2 months) younger daughter to 50 Woodville Gardens, where the OB crew had taken over the kitchen (they may have used more of the house, but I wasn't aware of it).? Becky and I took up a position, quiet as mice, while Ron did some clattering around in the kitchen and then exited with a tray (as if to go upstairs) through the room where we were.? It was clear that we were in the way so I left. Not a very exciting story, but someone might like it to add to the archives! 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 26 10:54:23 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 16:54:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <5904ce7f87davesound@btinternet.com> References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704@btinternet.com> <5904ce7f87davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5904ecf0e9davesound@btinternet.com> To update my post - the PAR 25 LEDs arrived today. And look to be a pretty good match to the original PAR 25 halogen. Just to summarise. To replace all my tungsten lighting in the kitchen with LED - as near as possible like for like - has cost me about ?120. Take a while to save that in leccy costs. ;-) On 26 Feb, davesound at btinternet.com wrote: > I know I'm very picky about lighting. I not only want the quality and > intensity, but the fitting to look 'right' both off and on. And a GLS in a > downlighter would outrage my sensibilities. ;-) > I got RO80 so called direct replacements from my usual electrical > wholesaler. TLC in Merton. Having long ago discovered that their quality > is better than that you get in the average shed. Very noticeable with GU10 > - I bought some fittings for those from B&Q, lamps included. And all > failed very quickly. The Bell replacements from TLC had the life I'd > expect. > The problem with the RO80 LED is although it looks like a reflector 'spot' > the light output is near omni directional. Meaning they are lighting the > walls to the expense of the worktops, which are very noticeably less > bright than with tungsten. And flooding the entire room with light simply > isn't the effect I'm after. > I eventually found some PAR25 LEDs at an affordable price - they arrive > later today. Fingers crossed they do what I want. > In article <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704 at btinternet.com>, > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am > > replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with > > no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms > > 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one > > down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My > > local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Fri Feb 26 11:39:19 2021 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 17:39:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <5904ecf0e9davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5904ecf0e9davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <11428DF7-FE4C-4A3A-B99B-959D7A3C50B2@sky.com> Further information re leds. I had fluorescent tubes in my large garage. Four double five foot tubes at 80 watts each tube so over 600 watts total I think. I was thinking of binning them to replace with some other form of lighting but discovered you can get direct led replacement tubes that are plug and play. You just need new starter units which are supplied.I cannot remember the cost but it was comparable with fitting completely new lighting and so much cheaper to run . I think they are 13 watts per tube so not much more than one old tube in consumption. The best thing for me was how easy it was to fit them....I like easy. I think they are half way between daylight and tungsten in colour temperature. The one negative thing is that they are about 10% down in brightness but manageable . The house being lit fully by leds helped a bit in my EPC assessment which was needed to get a grant for my heat pump installation. After a bit of a Covid type delay they begin next Tuesday installing so I will report back on a new thread. We are having storage heaters removed so we will need the heat pump, a new hot water tank and water filled radiators fitted. A bit of chaos I bet! Sent from my iPad > On 26 Feb 2021, at 17:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?To update my post - the PAR 25 LEDs arrived today. And look to be a pretty > good match to the original PAR 25 halogen. > > Just to summarise. To replace all my tungsten lighting in the kitchen with > LED - as near as possible like for like - has cost me about ?120. Take a > while to save that in leccy costs. ;-) > > > >> On 26 Feb, davesound at btinternet.com wrote: >> I know I'm very picky about lighting. I not only want the quality and >> intensity, but the fitting to look 'right' both off and on. And a GLS in a >> downlighter would outrage my sensibilities. ;-) > >> I got RO80 so called direct replacements from my usual electrical >> wholesaler. TLC in Merton. Having long ago discovered that their quality >> is better than that you get in the average shed. Very noticeable with GU10 >> - I bought some fittings for those from B&Q, lamps included. And all >> failed very quickly. The Bell replacements from TLC had the life I'd >> expect. > >> The problem with the RO80 LED is although it looks like a reflector 'spot' >> the light output is near omni directional. Meaning they are lighting the >> walls to the expense of the worktops, which are very noticeably less >> bright than with tungsten. And flooding the entire room with light simply >> isn't the effect I'm after. > >> I eventually found some PAR25 LEDs at an affordable price - they arrive >> later today. Fingers crossed they do what I want. > > > >> In article <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704 at btinternet.com>, >> dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am >>> replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with >>> no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms >>> 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one >>> down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My >>> local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Fri Feb 26 11:44:55 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 17:44:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <5904ecf0e9davesound@btinternet.com> References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com> <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704@btinternet.com> <5904ce7f87davesound@btinternet.com>, <5904ecf0e9davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: It?s not just about saving your leccy costs, it?s about saving energy. Think how chuffed you?re going to feel now, when the lights are all on, all around the house, and it?s still only a handful of Watts. But then, on comes the oven, the heating, and all the other high consumption white goods, and suddenly you think ?were the LED?s worth the bother?? And yet somehow, from a feel-good point of view, they are. So what we need now is some radical new low energy white goods technology. Science fiction, you might think, but not so long ago, so were LED?s, terabyte SSD?s, and all the other things we take for granted now. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 26 Feb 2021, at 16:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?To update my post - the PAR 25 LEDs arrived today. And look to be a pretty > good match to the original PAR 25 halogen. > > Just to summarise. To replace all my tungsten lighting in the kitchen with > LED - as near as possible like for like - has cost me about ?120. Take a > while to save that in leccy costs. ;-) > > > >> On 26 Feb, davesound at btinternet.com wrote: >> I know I'm very picky about lighting. I not only want the quality and >> intensity, but the fitting to look 'right' both off and on. And a GLS in a >> downlighter would outrage my sensibilities. ;-) > >> I got RO80 so called direct replacements from my usual electrical >> wholesaler. TLC in Merton. Having long ago discovered that their quality >> is better than that you get in the average shed. Very noticeable with GU10 >> - I bought some fittings for those from B&Q, lamps included. And all >> failed very quickly. The Bell replacements from TLC had the life I'd >> expect. > >> The problem with the RO80 LED is although it looks like a reflector 'spot' >> the light output is near omni directional. Meaning they are lighting the >> walls to the expense of the worktops, which are very noticeably less >> bright than with tungsten. And flooding the entire room with light simply >> isn't the effect I'm after. > >> I eventually found some PAR25 LEDs at an affordable price - they arrive >> later today. Fingers crossed they do what I want. > > > >> In article <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704 at btinternet.com>, >> dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am >>> replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with >>> no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms >>> 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one >>> down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My >>> local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Feb 26 12:36:03 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 18:36:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <11428DF7-FE4C-4A3A-B99B-959D7A3C50B2@sky.com> References: <11428DF7-FE4C-4A3A-B99B-959D7A3C50B2@sky.com> Message-ID: <9139EFF8-6BFE-463D-97EE-0DF77DEE5D1A@me.com> I put multiple LEDs into my workshop but found that they produced a distracting strobing effect when using power tools, especially the pillar drill. My solution involved putting in LED task lights which are fed with DC. Not needing to replace the bulbs can also be a useful advantage, especially on a light fitting we have in our stairwell. Access is very difficult, there is no space for a step ladder, my little ladder is too short and my extending ladder is too long. The only way I can reach is by using my scaffold tower assembled asymmetrically on the stairs and blocking up one end a little, so I?m relieved that now I?ve put LEDs in, I shouldn?t have to get up there again. The point about saving relatively small amounts of electricity on lighting while still consuming vast amounts on cooking and heating is a valid one. On the other hand our double oven is impressively insulated and once up to temperature will stay hot with only minor top ups. Even when baking crusty bread at 260?C the thermostat light only comes on very occasionally once it has restored the temperature after the door has been closed. We?re about to get a new kitchen installed, including an induction hob, so that should improve the power efficiency a fair bit. Alan Taylor > On 26 Feb 2021, at 17:39, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Further information re leds. > I had fluorescent tubes in my large garage. Four double five foot tubes at 80 watts each tube so over 600 watts total I think. I was thinking of binning them to replace with some other form of lighting but discovered you can get direct led replacement tubes that are plug and play. You just need new starter units which are supplied.I cannot remember the cost but it was comparable with fitting completely new lighting and so much cheaper to run . I think they are 13 watts per tube so not much more than one old tube in consumption. The best thing for me was how easy it was to fit them....I like easy. > I think they are half way between daylight and tungsten in colour temperature. > The one negative thing is that they are about 10% down in brightness but manageable . > The house being lit fully by leds helped a bit in my EPC assessment which was needed to get a grant for my heat pump installation. > After a bit of a Covid type delay they begin next Tuesday installing so I will report back on a new thread. We are having storage heaters removed so we will need the heat pump, a new hot water tank and water filled radiators fitted. A bit of chaos I bet! > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 26 Feb 2021, at 17:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> ?To update my post - the PAR 25 LEDs arrived today. And look to be a pretty >> good match to the original PAR 25 halogen. >> Just to summarise. To replace all my tungsten lighting in the kitchen with >> LED - as near as possible like for like - has cost me about ?120. Take a >> while to save that in leccy costs. ;-) >>>> On 26 Feb, davesound at btinternet.com wrote: >>> I know I'm very picky about lighting. I not only want the quality and >>> intensity, but the fitting to look 'right' both off and on. And a GLS in a >>> downlighter would outrage my sensibilities. ;-) >>> I got RO80 so called direct replacements from my usual electrical >>> wholesaler. TLC in Merton. Having long ago discovered that their quality >>> is better than that you get in the average shed. Very noticeable with GU10 >>> - I bought some fittings for those from B&Q, lamps included. And all >>> failed very quickly. The Bell replacements from TLC had the life I'd >>> expect. >>> The problem with the RO80 LED is although it looks like a reflector 'spot' >>> the light output is near omni directional. Meaning they are lighting the >>> walls to the expense of the worktops, which are very noticeably less >>> bright than with tungsten. And flooding the entire room with light simply >>> isn't the effect I'm after. >>> I eventually found some PAR25 LEDs at an affordable price - they arrive >>> later today. Fingers crossed they do what I want. >>> In article <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704 at btinternet.com>, >>> dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am >>>> replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with >>>> no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms >>>> 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one >>>> down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My >>>> local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Feb 26 13:26:32 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:26:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <9139EFF8-6BFE-463D-97EE-0DF77DEE5D1A@me.com> References: <9139EFF8-6BFE-463D-97EE-0DF77DEE5D1A@me.com> Message-ID: Another factor never mentioned in this discussion is the loss of the embedded energy, when swapping out perfectly good bulbs or tubes. Recycling is a bit of a myth sometimes, too. Is it really saving energy to send mixed plastic to the Phillipines in a ship running on bunker fuel? And what about car scrappage schemes? A bit of smoke and mirrors, I fear. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 26 Feb 2021, at 18:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I put multiple LEDs into my workshop but found that they produced a distracting strobing effect when using power tools, especially the pillar drill. My solution involved putting in LED task lights which are fed with DC. > > Not needing to replace the bulbs can also be a useful advantage, especially on a light fitting we have in our stairwell. Access is very difficult, there is no space for a step ladder, my little ladder is too short and my extending ladder is too long. The only way I can reach is by using my scaffold tower assembled asymmetrically on the stairs and blocking up one end a little, so I?m relieved that now I?ve put LEDs in, I shouldn?t have to get up there again. > > The point about saving relatively small amounts of electricity on lighting while still consuming vast amounts on cooking and heating is a valid one. On the other hand our double oven is impressively insulated and once up to temperature will stay hot with only minor top ups. Even when baking crusty bread at 260?C the thermostat light only comes on very occasionally once it has restored the temperature after the door has been closed. We?re about to get a new kitchen installed, including an induction hob, so that should improve the power efficiency a fair bit. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 26 Feb 2021, at 17:39, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Further information re leds. >> I had fluorescent tubes in my large garage. Four double five foot tubes at 80 watts each tube so over 600 watts total I think. I was thinking of binning them to replace with some other form of lighting but discovered you can get direct led replacement tubes that are plug and play. You just need new starter units which are supplied.I cannot remember the cost but it was comparable with fitting completely new lighting and so much cheaper to run . I think they are 13 watts per tube so not much more than one old tube in consumption. The best thing for me was how easy it was to fit them....I like easy. >> I think they are half way between daylight and tungsten in colour temperature. >> The one negative thing is that they are about 10% down in brightness but manageable . >> The house being lit fully by leds helped a bit in my EPC assessment which was needed to get a grant for my heat pump installation. >> After a bit of a Covid type delay they begin next Tuesday installing so I will report back on a new thread. We are having storage heaters removed so we will need the heat pump, a new hot water tank and water filled radiators fitted. A bit of chaos I bet! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 17:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?To update my post - the PAR 25 LEDs arrived today. And look to be a pretty >>> good match to the original PAR 25 halogen. >>> Just to summarise. To replace all my tungsten lighting in the kitchen with >>> LED - as near as possible like for like - has cost me about ?120. Take a >>> while to save that in leccy costs. ;-) >>>>> On 26 Feb, davesound at btinternet.com wrote: >>>> I know I'm very picky about lighting. I not only want the quality and >>>> intensity, but the fitting to look 'right' both off and on. And a GLS in a >>>> downlighter would outrage my sensibilities. ;-) >>>> I got RO80 so called direct replacements from my usual electrical >>>> wholesaler. TLC in Merton. Having long ago discovered that their quality >>>> is better than that you get in the average shed. Very noticeable with GU10 >>>> - I bought some fittings for those from B&Q, lamps included. And all >>>> failed very quickly. The Bell replacements from TLC had the life I'd >>>> expect. >>>> The problem with the RO80 LED is although it looks like a reflector 'spot' >>>> the light output is near omni directional. Meaning they are lighting the >>>> walls to the expense of the worktops, which are very noticeably less >>>> bright than with tungsten. And flooding the entire room with light simply >>>> isn't the effect I'm after. >>>> I eventually found some PAR25 LEDs at an affordable price - they arrive >>>> later today. Fingers crossed they do what I want. >>>> In article <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704 at btinternet.com>, >>>> dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am >>>>> replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with >>>>> no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms >>>>> 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one >>>>> down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My >>>>> local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave >>> -- >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Feb 26 13:35:50 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:35:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <9139EFF8-6BFE-463D-97EE-0DF77DEE5D1A@me.com> Message-ID: <60394d96.1c69fb81.a2ab.96f7@mx.google.com> Car scrappage? Eleven years ago, I got ?2000 off a new car, trading in my old one, which was probably worth far less. What happens to the carcass of the old one is not my problem. A lump of metal, hopefully recycled. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 26 February 2021 19:26 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alasdair Lawrance Subject: Re: [Tech1] LED rant. And what about car scrappage schemes? A bit of smoke and mirrors, I fear. Alasdair Lawrance -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Feb 26 13:59:41 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 19:59:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <9139EFF8-6BFE-463D-97EE-0DF77DEE5D1A@me.com> Message-ID: <6709E3C7-5232-48CB-A45A-DD0A2FC4FD9D@icloud.com> Containers going from Europe to the Far East with scrap plastic for recycling are actually getting what is effectivey a free ride, the ships will be going back anyway to load up more goods for delivery to the West, computers, phones, cars and so on. ? Graeme Wall > On 26 Feb 2021, at 19:26, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Another factor never mentioned in this discussion is the loss of the embedded energy, when swapping out perfectly good bulbs or tubes. > > Recycling is a bit of a myth sometimes, too. Is it really saving energy to send mixed plastic to the Phillipines in a ship running on bunker fuel? > > And what about car scrappage schemes? A bit of smoke and mirrors, I fear. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 26 Feb 2021, at 18:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I put multiple LEDs into my workshop but found that they produced a distracting strobing effect when using power tools, especially the pillar drill. My solution involved putting in LED task lights which are fed with DC. >> >> Not needing to replace the bulbs can also be a useful advantage, especially on a light fitting we have in our stairwell. Access is very difficult, there is no space for a step ladder, my little ladder is too short and my extending ladder is too long. The only way I can reach is by using my scaffold tower assembled asymmetrically on the stairs and blocking up one end a little, so I?m relieved that now I?ve put LEDs in, I shouldn?t have to get up there again. >> >> The point about saving relatively small amounts of electricity on lighting while still consuming vast amounts on cooking and heating is a valid one. On the other hand our double oven is impressively insulated and once up to temperature will stay hot with only minor top ups. Even when baking crusty bread at 260?C the thermostat light only comes on very occasionally once it has restored the temperature after the door has been closed. We?re about to get a new kitchen installed, including an induction hob, so that should improve the power efficiency a fair bit. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 17:39, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Further information re leds. >>> I had fluorescent tubes in my large garage. Four double five foot tubes at 80 watts each tube so over 600 watts total I think. I was thinking of binning them to replace with some other form of lighting but discovered you can get direct led replacement tubes that are plug and play. You just need new starter units which are supplied.I cannot remember the cost but it was comparable with fitting completely new lighting and so much cheaper to run . I think they are 13 watts per tube so not much more than one old tube in consumption. The best thing for me was how easy it was to fit them....I like easy. >>> I think they are half way between daylight and tungsten in colour temperature. >>> The one negative thing is that they are about 10% down in brightness but manageable . >>> The house being lit fully by leds helped a bit in my EPC assessment which was needed to get a grant for my heat pump installation. >>> After a bit of a Covid type delay they begin next Tuesday installing so I will report back on a new thread. We are having storage heaters removed so we will need the heat pump, a new hot water tank and water filled radiators fitted. A bit of chaos I bet! >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 17:16, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?To update my post - the PAR 25 LEDs arrived today. And look to be a pretty >>>> good match to the original PAR 25 halogen. >>>> Just to summarise. To replace all my tungsten lighting in the kitchen with >>>> LED - as near as possible like for like - has cost me about ?120. Take a >>>> while to save that in leccy costs. ;-) >>>>>> On 26 Feb, davesound at btinternet.com wrote: >>>>> I know I'm very picky about lighting. I not only want the quality and >>>>> intensity, but the fitting to look 'right' both off and on. And a GLS in a >>>>> downlighter would outrage my sensibilities. ;-) >>>>> I got RO80 so called direct replacements from my usual electrical >>>>> wholesaler. TLC in Merton. Having long ago discovered that their quality >>>>> is better than that you get in the average shed. Very noticeable with GU10 >>>>> - I bought some fittings for those from B&Q, lamps included. And all >>>>> failed very quickly. The Bell replacements from TLC had the life I'd >>>>> expect. >>>>> The problem with the RO80 LED is although it looks like a reflector 'spot' >>>>> the light output is near omni directional. Meaning they are lighting the >>>>> walls to the expense of the worktops, which are very noticeably less >>>>> bright than with tungsten. And flooding the entire room with light simply >>>>> isn't the effect I'm after. >>>>> I eventually found some PAR25 LEDs at an affordable price - they arrive >>>>> later today. Fingers crossed they do what I want. >>>>> In article <858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704 at btinternet.com>, >>>>> dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> As each Ro80 tungsten spotlight fails in my 5 light kitchen setup I am >>>>>> replacing them with a ?4 1571 lumen GLS LED bulbs from Morrisons, with >>>>>> no discernable change in brightness. The same with all the living rooms >>>>>> 100w. tungstens. I have had Lidl plug in LED night lights for years, one >>>>>> down stairs and one upstairs for the usual nightly toilet break! My >>>>>> local hardware shop sells 150 W. tungstens! Cheers, Dave >>>> -- >>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jccglass at gmail.com Fri Feb 26 17:27:55 2021 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 23:27:55 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com><858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704@btinternet.com><5904ce7f87davesound@btinternet.com>, <5904ecf0e9davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please i hate led light especially to read by Energy save with LED i hear some on cry well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year so those 100 watts are keeping me warm bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket Chris Glass From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Feb 26 19:02:23 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 01:02:23 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <9139EFF8-6BFE-463D-97EE-0DF77DEE5D1A@me.com> References: <9139EFF8-6BFE-463D-97EE-0DF77DEE5D1A@me.com> Message-ID: <5905199e31davesound@btinternet.com> Other real problem with LEDs is rather the same as with CFLs. We insist on being able to swap them easily - like a tungsten one. Which means the electronics driving that LED or CFL are built in - and in the majority on the top where the heat rises to. So when one fails, it is likely to be the electronics rather than the LED itself. Hence them rarely lasting the claimed life in many practical installations. The only CFLs I had which did last their claimed life were outdoors, so kept nice and cool. Except you hardly noticed they were on, at first, on a cold day. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Sat Feb 27 01:49:23 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 07:49:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> References: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> Message-ID: Hi Chris Kaylex at Pinner Green (not far from you or me) have a good supply of tungsten bulbs I also have a load of 100W bulbs I can drop in next time I?m in Ruislip (if you?re still there?) I used them when we were building our house. Graham Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:28, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > > ?now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please > i hate led light especially to read by > > Energy save with LED i hear some on cry > > well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year > so those 100 watts are keeping me warm > > bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket > > Chris Glass > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Feb 27 02:11:05 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 08:11:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <5905199e31davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5905199e31davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3AC702CB-90BB-460F-A9BF-227C6D244330@me.com> LEDs use much less power than CFLs, therefore the heat dissipation issue is substantially reduced. Controlling a 5 or 10W load within a compact housing is much less of a challenge than handling a 40W load. In my previous house I had CFL lamps in most places and found that they were packing up surprisingly often. Sometimes the tube had clearly failed and sometimes it looked like the electronics failed. Wher I live now is all LED and in nine years, I?ve only had two LED lamps fail. They were both identical, very cheap exterior security lamps. When I opened them up, the electronics were very poor quality and a resistor had burnt out in the same fashion in each. I haven?t changed a single bulb anywhere inside the house. I?m not even sure I keep spares for many of my lamp fittings. If one packs up, I intend to use one of the spare CFLs I kept and use it temporarily until I can get a replacement LED. The one bulb I would dearly love to change to LED is the cooker bulb. It?s a 40W filament bulb and doesn?t last for long inside an oven. The various types of oven bulb supplied by CPC failed very rapidly, sometimes after only a few hours. Phillips branded ones are five times the price, but have kept working for a few months so far, I?m not aware of LED oven lams being available, but the fact it?s a 40W filament bulb means it gives off enough heat such that leaving the oven on with only the light running maintains it at the perfect temperature for proving bread when the weather is cold. Alan Taylor > On 27 Feb 2021, at 01:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Ng > ?Other real problem with LEDs is rather the same as with CFLs. We insist on > being able to swap them easily - like a tungsten one. Which means the > electronics driving that LED or CFL are built in - and in the majority on > the top where the heat rises to. So when one fails, it is likely to be the > electronics rather than the LED itself. Hence them rarely lasting the > claimed life in many practical installations. > > The only CFLs I had which did last their claimed life were outdoors, so > kept nice and cool. Except you hardly noticed they were on, at first, on a > cold day. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 27 03:35:45 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 09:35:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> References: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> Message-ID: The spectral response of LED lamps is improving towards a tungsten-like continuous spectrum all the time, but if you find your 3000K warm-whites aren?t warm and cuddly enough, a cutout piece of 1/4 CTO makes all the difference. I have a big roll here if anyone wants some! When we moved into this house, the en-suite bathroom had daylight GU10 downlights in the ceiling. Last thing at night they looked absolutely ghastly, and were got rid of pretty quickly, replaced with 2700K. Two years in, we haven?t had a single LED failure yet. A 100W tungsten bulb lit for ten hours is a kilowatt-hour. Think of it that way! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:28, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > > ?now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please > i hate led light especially to read by > > Energy save with LED i hear some on cry > > well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year > so those 100 watts are keeping me warm > > bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket > > Chris Glass > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 27 03:54:24 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 09:54:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> References: <590460999bdavesound@btinternet.com><858e09e8-2b71-c158-6683-617ce0952704@btinternet.com><5904ce7f87davesound@btinternet.com>, <5904ecf0e9davesound@btinternet.com> , <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> Message-ID: By the way, I?m not convinced by the argument that tungsten bulbs give you the benefit of by-product heat. If the bulb is on the ceiling, that?s not where you want the heat! cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:28, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > > ?now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please > i hate led light especially to read by > > Energy save with LED i hear some on cry > > well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year > so those 100 watts are keeping me warm > > bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket > > Chris Glass > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 05:36:36 2021 From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 11:36:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: <5381B565-D30E-4FB0-9C4A-D3FD5E1B9F2E@ukgateway.net> References: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> <5381B565-D30E-4FB0-9C4A-D3FD5E1B9F2E@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: I'm fairly sure this missive didn't get through - I've seen no reaction to it on Tech1.? So I'm sending it again as a "reply":- I was certain I recognised the series with Rupert Davies as linkman, and I knew I worked on some episodes.? But trawling my diaries didn't throw up anything called Baker's Dozen.? The Web reference from Alan Taylor helped me find three double studio days labeled The Man Outside (so the re-titling must have happened quite early).? We knew that we were not shooting the whole play, and the rest would be done on location with electronic cameras (2001's?). The days were 14-15 March 1972 (TC1); 14-15 April 1972 (TC3); 5-6 May 1972 (TC3).? I was no.3 on Crew 10.? I don't know which crew(s) did the other 10 episodes, but that May episode was undoubtedly Episode 13, with Ron Moody.? His co-star was the lovely Anna Cropper, and she was supposed to be blind.? They ended up in bed together, and she played the scene topless.? We weren't trying to be lascivious - it was a very gentle scene - but it got to the point where I had a shot where I could either frame a nipple, or carefully exclude it.? Both versions of the shot looked good to me, so it was really someone else's decision as to whether we saw the nipple or not.? On the dress run I did include it - expecting some comment.? None came.? At the post-supper notes session I said : do we see nipples this year, or not?? At last I got a response : No.? So that's the way I shot it.? The next day but one (8th May), I took my 5 year old (+ 2 months) younger daughter to 50 Woodville Gardens, where the OB crew had taken over the kitchen (they may have used more of the house, but I wasn't aware of it).? Becky and I took up a position, quiet as mice, while Ron did some clattering around in the kitchen and then exited with a tray (as if to go upstairs) through the room where we were.? It was clear that we were in the way so I left. Not a very exciting story, but someone might like it to add to the archives! Best Wishes, Mike Minchin On 26/02/2021 11:05, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Alan & all > > The shooting dates for the inserts I did with LO 21 were: > > 12-14 January 1972 ?Last Target? with Michael Redgrave & Ann Todd. > Locations in Chenies & Latimer. > > 27-28 January 1972 White Waltham > > 3-4 February 1972 Cambridge road Kilburn NW6. > > 24-25 February 1972 Norland Square W11. > > 8-9 May 1972 50 Woodville Gardens EalingW5 > > I have sent all this to Brian Summers. Also found some photos of the > first shoot with Ann Todd sitting on the bench. Martin Wyatt on camera > mounted on what I?m pretty sure is a Chapman Titan crane. > > Also spotted while browsing my 1972 diary two other unusual shows I > did while on LO 21. They were location inserts into The Engelbert > Humperdinck Show with Eng and The Young Generation dancers. > > First location was Horsted Keynes station on the Bluebell Railway, > renamed Generation Gap where a steam train ?driven? by Eng steamed in > to the platform, all the doors opened and the YG poured onto the > platform and performed a dance routine fronted by Eng singing. > It was directed by none other than Stewart Morris and did not go well > with problems with the speed and stopping of the train which couldn?t > hit it?s marks! I seem to recall poor Stan Appel was prod manager > trying to reset it all endless times which took ages. The final straw > was when he told Stewart that the engine needed to refill it?s water > tanks at the other end of the line and it would take an hour. Stewart > exploded but we got it all done in the end. I can still recall him > shouting ?Gun the train Stan - faster!? over talkback. > > Second location was, unbelievably, the fully working main assembly > line at Vauxhall Motors in Luton, with the same performers doing a > song and dance routine around the moving assembly line, much to the > interest of the car workers and the detriment of the quality of the > cars they were assembling. Many were leaking or wouldn?t start when > they came off the line! I think that one went ok but wouldn?t get past > H&S these days. > > Cheers > > Robin S > > > > >> On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Thanks for the confirmation Robin. ?It had been bugging me for more >> than twenty years. ?I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen >> but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever >> happening. ?It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. >> ?It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had >> the main role. ?Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might >> be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. >> >> The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the >> acting profession. ?If you want a little reminder, there is a list of >> episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - >> https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside >> >> I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. ? >> In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several >> drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a >> series of plays like The Man Outside. >> >> If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d >> love to know more. >> >> I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for >> drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any >> information about one way or the other. >> >> I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners >> and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I >> worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, >> but don?t count them as being true location drama. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent >>> of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of >>> the purpose built LPU and LMCR. >>> >>> The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in >>> 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a >>> studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names >>> involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael >>> Redgrave. >>> It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies >>> playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers >>> Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside >>> and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were >>> from 12th May to 11th August 1972. >>> Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors >>> included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors >>> so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. >>> >>> I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The >>> Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit >>> in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with >>> Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. >>> It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s >>> also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, >>> Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes >>> were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! >>> >>> Robin Sutherland >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MO1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 146459 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Many thanks David From: Mike via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2021 11:36 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Mike Subject: Re: [Tech1] Early OB Drama I'm fairly sure this missive didn't get through - I've seen no reaction to it on Tech1. So I'm sending it again as a "reply":- I was certain I recognised the series with Rupert Davies as linkman, and I knew I worked on some episodes. But trawling my diaries didn't throw up anything called Baker's Dozen. The Web reference from Alan Taylor helped me find three double studio days labeled The Man Outside (so the re-titling must have happened quite early). We knew that we were not shooting the whole play, and the rest would be done on location with electronic cameras (2001's?). The days were 14-15 March 1972 (TC1); 14-15 April 1972 (TC3); 5-6 May 1972 (TC3). I was no.3 on Crew 10. I don't know which crew(s) did the other 10 episodes, but that May episode was undoubtedly Episode 13, with Ron Moody. His co-star was the lovely Anna Cropper, and she was supposed to be blind. They ended up in bed together, and she played the scene topless. We weren't trying to be lascivious - it was a very gentle scene - but it got to the point where I had a shot where I could either frame a nipple, or carefully exclude it. Both versions of the shot looked good to me, so it was really someone else's decision as to whether we saw the nipple or not. On the dress run I did include it - expecting some comment. None came. At the post-supper notes session I said : do we see nipples this year, or not? At last I got a response : No. So that's the way I shot it. The next day but one (8th May), I took my 5 year old (+ 2 months) younger daughter to 50 Woodville Gardens, where the OB crew had taken over the kitchen (they may have used more of the house, but I wasn't aware of it). Becky and I took up a position, quiet as mice, while Ron did some clattering around in the kitchen and then exited with a tray (as if to go upstairs) through the room where we were. It was clear that we were in the way so I left. Not a very exciting story, but someone might like it to add to the archives! Best Wishes, Mike Minchin On 26/02/2021 11:05, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote: Hi Alan & all The shooting dates for the inserts I did with LO 21 were: 12-14 January 1972 ?Last Target? with Michael Redgrave & Ann Todd. Locations in Chenies & Latimer. 27-28 January 1972 White Waltham 3-4 February 1972 Cambridge road Kilburn NW6. 24-25 February 1972 Norland Square W11. 8-9 May 1972 50 Woodville Gardens EalingW5 I have sent all this to Brian Summers. Also found some photos of the first shoot with Ann Todd sitting on the bench. Martin Wyatt on camera mounted on what I?m pretty sure is a Chapman Titan crane. Also spotted while browsing my 1972 diary two other unusual shows I did while on LO 21. They were location inserts into The Engelbert Humperdinck Show with Eng and The Young Generation dancers. First location was Horsted Keynes station on the Bluebell Railway, renamed Generation Gap where a steam train ?driven? by Eng steamed in to the platform, all the doors opened and the YG poured onto the platform and performed a dance routine fronted by Eng singing. It was directed by none other than Stewart Morris and did not go well with problems with the speed and stopping of the train which couldn?t hit it?s marks! I seem to recall poor Stan Appel was prod manager trying to reset it all endless times which took ages. The final straw was when he told Stewart that the engine needed to refill it?s water tanks at the other end of the line and it would take an hour. Stewart exploded but we got it all done in the end. I can still recall him shouting ?Gun the train Stan - faster!? over talkback. Second location was, unbelievably, the fully working main assembly line at Vauxhall Motors in Luton, with the same performers doing a song and dance routine around the moving assembly line, much to the interest of the car workers and the detriment of the quality of the cars they were assembling. Many were leaking or wouldn?t start when they came off the line! I think that one went ok but wouldn?t get past H&S these days. Cheers Robin S On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Thanks for the confirmation Robin. It had been bugging me for more than twenty years. I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever happening. It never occurred to me that it was just a working title. It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV detective had the main role. Do you happen to have any shooting dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list of MCR 21 shows. The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the acting profession. If you want a little reminder, there is a list of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, or a series of plays like The Man Outside. If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d love to know more. I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any information about one way or the other. I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, but don?t count them as being true location drama. Alan Taylor On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland wrote: ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and Michael Redgrave. It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were from 12th May to 11th August 1972. Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David Giles. It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember anything about them! 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In-Reply-To: References: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> Message-ID: Agreed, Nick, LED lights are on for far longer than most higher powered stuff, and the argument for it not mattering about wasting power there is a weak one. I have had the odd failure of an LED - mostly ones bought 9 years ago, and the usual failure was the chip unsoldering itself on one leg. The lack of need to replace difficult to access lamps, and that they run cool (externally) and don't "cook" lamp-holders, is a great benefit. So too does "cool" working for downlighters embedded in the ceiling. High power space heating is greatly improved by heat pumps. In theory hob cooking can be made better by induction stuff, but the technology involved is a bit on the pricey, and also unreliable, side. I can't equate microwave ovens with "proper" ones - they have no equivalence whatsoever. Steam and infrared, maybe. It used to be possible to think of climate change as something far enough away that it didn't have any urgency - a mistake, but understandable.? Nowadays that really isn't so. Even us elderly ones may well see some of the deleterious effects in what remains of our time, and I'd hope we weren't so selfish that we didn't care at all about those a few years younger. Most of us on this group have a sufficiently technical grasp that we can provide an intelligent lead to others, at least in some areas. So sad that we are saddled with a government that has no interest in taking up the only step change that the pandemic and benighted Brexit have afforded us - the chance to start up some new and truly green industries that we ~might~ be able to sell around the world. Singapore style free-ports, HS2 and continuing reliance of carbon based steel etc is so backwards looking. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 06:34:13 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 12:34:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: <66D375BA-3015-440F-84F1-9CF0E0CCFED7@ukgateway.net> <5381B565-D30E-4FB0-9C4A-D3FD5E1B9F2E@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike Yes, I read that. As you know, you don't get your own emails back, and if no-one says anything you wonder if it works. A friend of Dave Buckley knows more about Mailman than I do, and has offered advice. Mostly it doesn't work for me, as tech-ops.co.uk is on a shared server, but one thing I can do is tick a box marked ACK against people's names. It means that every time you post, Mailman sends an acknowledgement back to you. I've turned it on for several people including me. Not sure I like it. I've turned yours on too, Mike -? I can turn it off again, though apparently you can switch it yourself. B On 27/02/2021 11:36, Mike via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm fairly sure this missive didn't get through - I've seen no > reaction to it on Tech1.? So I'm sending it again as a "reply":- > > I was certain I recognised the series with Rupert Davies as linkman, > and I knew I worked on some episodes.? But trawling my diaries didn't > throw up anything called Baker's Dozen.? The Web reference from Alan > Taylor helped me find three double studio days labeled The Man Outside > (so the re-titling must have happened quite early).? We knew that we > were not shooting the whole play, and the rest would be done on > location with electronic cameras (2001's?). > > The days were 14-15 March 1972 (TC1); 14-15 April 1972 (TC3); 5-6 May > 1972 (TC3).? I was no.3 on Crew 10.? I don't know which crew(s) did > the other 10 episodes, but that May episode was undoubtedly Episode > 13, with Ron Moody.? His co-star was the lovely Anna Cropper, and she > was supposed to be blind.? They ended up in bed together, and she > played the scene topless.? We weren't trying to be lascivious - it was > a very gentle scene - but it got to the point where I had a shot where > I could either frame a nipple, or carefully exclude it.? Both versions > of the shot looked good to me, so it was really someone else's > decision as to whether we saw the nipple or not.? On the dress run I > did include it - expecting some comment.? None came.? At the > post-supper notes session I said : do we see nipples this year, or > not?? At last I got a response : No.? So that's the way I shot it.? > The next day but one (8th May), I took my 5 year old (+ 2 months) > younger daughter to 50 Woodville Gardens, where the OB crew had taken > over the kitchen (they may have used more of the house, but I wasn't > aware of it).? Becky and I took up a position, quiet as mice, while > Ron did some clattering around in the kitchen and then exited with a > tray (as if to go upstairs) through the room where we were.? It was > clear that we were in the way so I left. > > Not a very exciting story, but someone might like it to add to the > archives! > > Best Wishes, Mike Minchin > > On 26/02/2021 11:05, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote: >> Hi Alan & all >> >> The shooting dates for the inserts I did with LO 21 were: >> >> 12-14 January 1972 ?Last Target? with Michael Redgrave & Ann Todd. >> Locations in Chenies & Latimer. >> >> 27-28 January 1972 White Waltham >> >> 3-4 February 1972 Cambridge road Kilburn NW6. >> >> 24-25 February 1972 Norland Square W11. >> >> 8-9 May 1972 50 Woodville Gardens EalingW5 >> >> I have sent all this to Brian Summers. Also found some photos of the >> first shoot with Ann Todd sitting on the bench. Martin Wyatt on >> camera mounted on what I?m pretty sure is a Chapman Titan crane. >> >> Also spotted while browsing my 1972 diary two other unusual shows I >> did while on LO 21. They were location inserts into The Engelbert >> Humperdinck Show with Eng and The Young Generation dancers. >> >> First location was Horsted Keynes station on the Bluebell Railway, >> renamed Generation Gap where a steam train ?driven? by Eng steamed in >> to the platform, all the doors opened and the YG poured onto the >> platform and performed a dance routine fronted by Eng singing. >> It was directed by none other than Stewart Morris and did not go well >> with problems with the speed and stopping of the train which couldn?t >> hit it?s marks! I seem to recall poor Stan Appel was prod manager >> trying to reset it all endless times which took ages. The final straw >> was when he told Stewart that the engine needed to refill it?s water >> tanks at the other end of the line and it would take an hour. Stewart >> exploded but we got it all done in the end. I can still recall him >> shouting ?Gun the train Stan - faster!? over talkback. >> >> Second location was, unbelievably, the fully working main assembly >> line at Vauxhall Motors in Luton, with the same performers doing a >> song and dance routine around the moving assembly line, much to the >> interest of the car workers and the detriment of the quality of the >> cars they were assembling. Many were leaking or wouldn?t start when >> they came off the line! I think that one went ok but wouldn?t get >> past H&S these days. >> >> Cheers >> >> Robin S >> >> >> >> >>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 18:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the confirmation Robin. ?It had been bugging me for more >>> than twenty years. ?I was totally certain that it was Baker?s Dozen >>> but was puzzled that I could find absolutely no record of it ever >>> happening. ?It never occurred to me that it was just a working >>> title. ?It didn?t help that I mis-remembered which famous TV >>> detective had the main role. ?Do you happen to have any shooting >>> dates ? We might be able to flesh out a few details on Brian?s list >>> of MCR 21 shows. >>> >>> The IMDB cast list for the series reads like a Who?s Who for the >>> acting profession. ?If you want a little reminder, there is a list >>> of episodes with brief outlines of the story and star names here - >>> https://www.memorabletv.com/?s=The+man+outside >>> >>> >>> I knew that OBs did quite a few drama shoots before the LMCR & LPU. >>> ? In my time on LO 21, when it had EMI 2001s, I remember doing >>> several drama shoots, but can?t be sure if they were different ones, >>> or a series of plays like The Man Outside. >>> >>> If you or anybody else knows of other people who worked on them, I?d >>> love to know more. >>> >>> I always assumed that the B&W Roving Eyes must have been used for >>> drama shoots in the days of B&W television, but don?t have any >>> information about one way or the other. >>> >>> I knew that other dramas were shot using big fleet colour scanners >>> and would be interested if anybody could add anything about them. I >>> worked on some Shakespeare plays recorded in theatres in those days, >>> but don?t count them as being true location drama. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>> On 23 Feb 2021, at 10:35, Robin Sutherland >>>> >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I think there were quite a few dramas shot by OBs before the >>>> advent of the experimental LMCR [the old RE5 vehicle] and the >>>> arrival of the purpose built LPU and LMCR. >>>> >>>> The Bakers Dozen series you mention is interesting. I was on LO21 >>>> in 1972 and worked on several of them, doing location inserts into >>>> a studio production using EMI 2001 cameras. There were some big >>>> names involved and I remember shooting scenes with Ann Todd and >>>> Michael Redgrave. >>>> It was a thriller anthology in 13 episodes linked by Rupert Davies >>>> playing a character called Baker, hence the working title of Bakers >>>> Dozen. But the title changed before transmission to The Man Outside >>>> and that?s why you couldn?t find anything about it. Tx dates were >>>> from 12th May to 11th August 1972. >>>> Anyone remember working on the studio end of these? Directors >>>> included Douglas Camfield and Paddy Russell with many notable >>>> actors so must have been a top drawer production but quickly forgotten. >>>> >>>> I also worked [on the sound crew!] on a Play of the Month called >>>> The Recruiting Officer, a period drama done with a full EMI 2001 OB >>>> unit in 1973 in Wiltshire, mainly at Lacock. It had a stellar cast >>>> with Ian Mckellen, Brian Blessed and Jane Asher, directed by David >>>> Giles. >>>> It was lit by Tommy Thomas and checking the IMDB site see that he?s >>>> also credited with lighting two other Play of The Month >>>> productions, Love?s Labour Lost and The Little Minister in 1975 >>>> which one assumes were also shot by OBs although I can?t remember >>>> anything about them! >>>> >>>> Robin Sutherland >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MO1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 146459 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said Win10 on it. All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sat Feb 27 07:10:09 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 13:10:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, that explains it! Could you turn off the ACK messages for me, please, Bernie? I always see mine back anyway, now in addition to the acknowledgement. I wondered why that was happening. Ta, muchly. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Feb 2021, at 12:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi Mike Yes, I read that. As you know, you don't get your own emails back, and if no-one says anything you wonder if it works. A friend of Dave Buckley knows more about Mailman than I do, and has offered advice. Mostly it doesn't work for me, as tech-ops.co.uk is on a shared server, but one thing I can do is tick a box marked ACK against people's names. It means that every time you post, Mailman sends an acknowledgement back to you. I've turned it on for several people including me. Not sure I like it. I've turned yours on too, Mike - I can turn it off again, though apparently you can switch it yourself. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk Sat Feb 27 08:49:54 2021 From: dicksharon at tiscali.co.uk (dick) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 14:49:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> Message-ID: Don't forget the poor power factor of LEDs. Not a problem now but when electricity companies start taking it in to consideration (which they can with a smart meter)? the cost of running your LED lighting will go up by a factor of 10. Just saying ... dick (BTW I'm all LED except for florries in the garage) On 27/02/2021 07:49, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Chris > Kaylex at Pinner Green (not far from you or me) have a good supply of tungsten bulbs > I also have a load of 100W bulbs I can drop in next time I?m in Ruislip (if you?re still there?) > I used them when we were building our house. > Graham > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:28, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please >> i hate led light especially to read by >> >> Energy save with LED i hear some on cry >> >> well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year >> so those 100 watts are keeping me warm >> >> bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket >> >> Chris Glass >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 09:20:59 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 15:20:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Early OB Drama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6d715019-acb4-3e48-36c8-4cd3ccf7ee8d@gmail.com> Done B On 27/02/2021 13:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Ah, that explains it! Could you turn off the ACK messages for me, > please, Bernie? I always see mine back anyway, now in addition to the > acknowledgement. I wondered why that was happening. Ta, muchly. > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 27 Feb 2021, at 12:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? Hi Mike >> >> Yes, I read that. As you know, you don't get your own emails back, >> and if no-one says anything you wonder if it works. >> >> A friend of Dave Buckley knows more about Mailman than I do, and has >> offered advice. Mostly it doesn't work for me, as tech-ops.co.uk is >> on a shared server, but one thing I can do is tick a box marked ACK >> against people's names. It means that every time you post, Mailman >> sends an acknowledgement back to you. I've turned it on for several >> people including me. Not sure I like it. I've turned yours on too, >> Mike -? I can turn it off again, though apparently you can switch it >> yourself. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barry-wilkinson at sky.com Sat Feb 27 10:12:31 2021 From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:12:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is the poor power factor? If they are rated at 6 watts is that not the power? Sent from my iPad > On 27 Feb 2021, at 15:31, dick via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Don't forget the poor power factor of LEDs. Not a problem now but when electricity companies start taking it in to consideration (which they can with a smart meter) the cost of running your LED lighting will go up by a factor of 10. > > Just saying ... > > dick > > (BTW I'm all LED except for florries in the garage) > > >> On 27/02/2021 07:49, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: >> Hi Chris >> Kaylex at Pinner Green (not far from you or me) have a good supply of tungsten bulbs >> I also have a load of 100W bulbs I can drop in next time I?m in Ruislip (if you?re still there?) >> I used them when we were building our house. >> Graham >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:28, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please >>> i hate led light especially to read by >>> >>> Energy save with LED i hear some on cry >>> >>> well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year >>> so those 100 watts are keeping me warm >>> >>> bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket >>> >>> Chris Glass >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Feb 27 10:19:50 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 16:19:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A good reason for not having a smart meter then! Mike G > On 27 Feb 2021, at 16:13, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: > > ?What is the poor power factor? If they are rated at 6 watts is that not the power? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On 27 Feb 2021, at 15:31, dick via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Don't forget the poor power factor of LEDs. Not a problem now but when electricity companies start taking it in to consideration (which they can with a smart meter) the cost of running your LED lighting will go up by a factor of 10. >> >> Just saying ... >> >> dick >> >> (BTW I'm all LED except for florries in the garage) >> >> >>>> On 27/02/2021 07:49, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: >>> Hi Chris >>> Kaylex at Pinner Green (not far from you or me) have a good supply of tungsten bulbs >>> I also have a load of 100W bulbs I can drop in next time I?m in Ruislip (if you?re still there?) >>> I used them when we were building our house. >>> Graham >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:28, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please >>>> i hate led light especially to read by >>>> >>>> Energy save with LED i hear some on cry >>>> >>>> well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year >>>> so those 100 watts are keeping me warm >>>> >>>> bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket >>>> >>>> Chris Glass >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Feb 27 11:23:21 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 17:23:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: <24B9C5AA203C4DAE9377586A3D7B117D@dell9100> Message-ID: <0ba51aac-545b-aa2b-ecdb-950508ea68b0@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 27/02/2021 14:49, dick via Tech1 wrote: > Don't forget the poor power factor of LEDs.? Not a problem now but > when electricity companies start taking it in to consideration (which > they can with a smart meter)? the cost of running your LED lighting > will go up by a factor of 10. > .... Typical LED drivers aren't that bad - most are up around 0.85 which is perfectly acceptable for non-resistive loads. You could argue an increase of 20%, certainly not 10 times! Power factor is a problem for almost all modern equipment that uses sophisticated (and therefore reactive) power circuitry. TVs and computer monitors are notorious - frequently ~ 0.5. Many fluorescent lamps were about as bad as that, though better versions might be nearer 0.9.? Electric motors, particularly under light load, are also poor - 0.7 - 0.85. Ideally supply companies would like PF to be >0.9 but I suspect they all recognise that virtually every home is using reactive electrical loads nowadays and so simply up the unit price to take that into account. The greater problem is unbalancing 3 phase supplies, nasty harmonics and in some case having a wrong rating for overload equipment. Any modern digital meter is perfectly capable of taking power factor into account. It is only old-fashioned induction motor types that can't do that, so smart meters give no more of a risk of higher charges. If they ever get round to using smart meters properly then those ~without~ them will lose out for variable rate charging. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Feb 27 11:59:47 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 17:59:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20210227_175753.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 5915505 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Feb 27 14:24:25 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 20:24:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join > Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Feb 27 14:30:33 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 20:30:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] LED rant. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <720e1772-38b4-2510-c5f6-d6984e4e4d61@btinternet.com> Hear, hear! Cheers, Dave On 27/02/2021 16:19, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > A good reason for not having a smart meter then! > > Mike G > >> On 27 Feb 2021, at 16:13, B Wilkinson via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?What is the poor power factor? If they are rated at 6 watts is that not the power? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On 27 Feb 2021, at 15:31, dick via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Don't forget the poor power factor of LEDs. Not a problem now but when electricity companies start taking it in to consideration (which they can with a smart meter) the cost of running your LED lighting will go up by a factor of 10. >>> >>> Just saying ... >>> >>> dick >>> >>> (BTW I'm all LED except for florries in the garage) >>> >>> >>>>> On 27/02/2021 07:49, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Hi Chris >>>> Kaylex at Pinner Green (not far from you or me) have a good supply of tungsten bulbs >>>> I also have a load of 100W bulbs I can drop in next time I?m in Ruislip (if you?re still there?) >>>> I used them when we were building our house. >>>> Graham >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> On 26 Feb 2021, at 23:28, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?now we have left the EU can i have my old 100w tungstan back please >>>>> i hate led light especially to read by >>>>> >>>>> Energy save with LED i hear some on cry >>>>> >>>>> well as one who feals the cold i have the heating most of the year >>>>> so those 100 watts are keeping me warm >>>>> >>>>> bbrrrr time to turn on the electric blanket >>>>> >>>>> Chris Glass >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Feb 27 15:52:57 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2021 21:52:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Captain Tom's funeral Message-ID: <2e7d49d6-74d2-f220-040a-1dd8f6ad3ca0@btinternet.com> I imagine that most of you caught some, if not all, of the 'private family' funeral service. How it can be private with billlions of people watching it is beyond me! I thought that the coverage was grossly? invasive showing the faces of the bereaved and the holding of hands etc. I expect that the Sun and Sky news editors were waiting and hoping for a tear drop to put on their front pages! One assumes that the family had agreed to this saturation coverage, given the celebrity status of Sir John. I found it over the top. Regards, Dave From alanaudio at me.com Sun Feb 28 02:25:31 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 08:25:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45253FA6-C4ED-41D7-96F8-23B12B4A1CD5@me.com> Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. I did a film of Fiona Shaw performing a one woman version of The Wasteland. During the planning meeting it became obvious that it was going to be very difficult to get decent sound coverage. One of the biggest challenges was a very lengthy tracking shot with multiple overhead obstructions. It would use an entire 400 foot roll of film, which runs for 11 minutes. Obviously nobody wants to risk screwing up and causing a retake. I told the producer that freelance boom op Dave Sutton was the guy I needed if shots such as that were being attempted. I warned them he was not cheap, but was worth it. I also phoned Dave and suggested that he didn?t budge on his rate because I had told production that we absolutely had to have him. As things turned out, Dave managed to negotiate a slightly higher daily rate than I was charging, which was absolutely fine by me. The sequence itself was shot without using a clapper board and if there was still any film still running in the camera at the end, an upside down clapper board would be rushed in. On a couple of takes the film did run out just before the end of the performance, but we did get a few good takes too. Shooting on film with an electronic viewfinder, there is a visible safe area above the marked frame. It was incredible to see how Dave kept the tip of the microphone visible in the safe area but never in shot, this was while walking along and avoiding lamp stands, overhead lighting and multiple obstructions built by the art dept. No shadows in shot either, despite complex lighting which wasn?t at all sound-friendly. It was all done with a five metre pole extended to about three quarters, so it was physically demanding too. The finished film got shown at Cannes and when Variety reviewed it, they specifically praised the sound, but Dave Sutton was the one who really made the difference. Alan Taylor > On 27 Feb 2021, at 20:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave > > On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 28 04:18:00 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 10:18:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <45253FA6-C4ED-41D7-96F8-23B12B4A1CD5@me.com> References: <45253FA6-C4ED-41D7-96F8-23B12B4A1CD5@me.com> Message-ID: <603b6dd8.1c69fb81.dafff.26b6@mx.google.com> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 28 February 2021 08:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. I did a film of Fiona Shaw performing a one woman version of The Wasteland. During the planning meeting it became obvious that it was going to be very difficult to get decent sound coverage.? One of the biggest challenges was a very lengthy tracking shot with multiple overhead obstructions. It would use an entire 400 foot roll of film, which runs for 11 minutes. Obviously nobody wants to risk screwing up and causing a retake. I told the producer that freelance boom op Dave Sutton was the guy I needed if shots such as that were being attempted. I warned them he was not cheap, but was worth it. ?I also phoned Dave and suggested that he didn?t budge on his rate because I had told production that we absolutely had to have him. ?As things turned out, Dave managed to negotiate a slightly higher daily rate than I was charging, which was absolutely fine by me. The sequence itself was shot without using a clapper board and if there was still any film still running in the camera at the end, an upside down clapper board would be rushed in. On a couple of takes the film did run out just before the end of the performance, but we did get a few good takes too. Shooting on film with an electronic viewfinder, there is a visible safe area above the marked frame. ?It was incredible to see how Dave kept the tip of the microphone visible in the safe area but never in shot, this was while walking along and avoiding lamp stands, overhead lighting and multiple obstructions built by the art dept. No shadows in shot either, despite complex lighting which wasn?t at all sound-friendly. It was all done with a five metre pole extended to about three quarters, so it was physically demanding too. The finished film got shown at Cannes and when Variety reviewed it, they specifically praised the sound, but Dave Sutton was the one who really made the difference. Alan Taylor On 27 Feb 2021, at 20:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 28 04:37:34 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 10:37:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Plumbers Mate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <603b726f.1c69fb81.a78f7.1e99@mx.google.com> It was actually ?Adventures of...? and was an amusing little film to work on. Made by two brothers ? one produced and the other directed. We shot all around Streatham and come tea break time, their Mum & Dad would turn up with the tea urn and sticky buns in the boot of their BMW! Just a 2-man sound crew, yes, lovely to have had a Fisher boom, but the difficulty there would be transporting the thing. Another shoot for Thames TV/Euston Films in the Winter Gardens theatre for ?Phyllis Dixey? necessitated putting the Fisher dolly on top of two rostrums in the orchestra pit for a sequence of a reproduced stage act. It was a long way down, if I fell off! A difficult shot as I was working in a narrow slot between the top of frame and the bottom of a supertrooper follow spot behind me. We were using a U87 to match pre-recorded sung inserts, heavy on the end of a pole, hence a proper boom. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 of a reproduced stage act. Sent: 27 February 2021 20:24 To: Bernard Newnham via Tech1; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dave.mdv Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The more so, pole operating, because there?s no counterbalance weight, it?s not length-adjustable while in use, and you?re at floor level potentially in everybody?s way. If the boom op doesn?t do a good job there?s nothing the Sound Mixer or Post can do to make it any better! I lost count a long time ago of how many times I?ve heard the deeply offensive statement: ?Do we really need a boom operator? The runner (or spark) can hold the pole.? - They think that?s all there is to it! Did you ever see this animated example of how little regard or understanding Production have for the Sound department? You?ve heard of text-to-speech, even speech-to-text, but how about text-to-pictures, as here?: Youtube search: ? Sound Mixer Hell ? - it?s a classic. (I would show the url, but it doesn?t seem to work this side of the pond maybe). Sound Mixer Hell does. Now let?s all go out and enjoy the sunshine - suitably distanced, of course. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Feb 2021, at 08:26, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. I did a film of Fiona Shaw performing a one woman version of The Wasteland. During the planning meeting it became obvious that it was going to be very difficult to get decent sound coverage. One of the biggest challenges was a very lengthy tracking shot with multiple overhead obstructions. It would use an entire 400 foot roll of film, which runs for 11 minutes. Obviously nobody wants to risk screwing up and causing a retake. I told the producer that freelance boom op Dave Sutton was the guy I needed if shots such as that were being attempted. I warned them he was not cheap, but was worth it. I also phoned Dave and suggested that he didn?t budge on his rate because I had told production that we absolutely had to have him. As things turned out, Dave managed to negotiate a slightly higher daily rate than I was charging, which was absolutely fine by me. The sequence itself was shot without using a clapper board and if there was still any film still running in the camera at the end, an upside down clapper board would be rushed in. On a couple of takes the film did run out just before the end of the performance, but we did get a few good takes too. Shooting on film with an electronic viewfinder, there is a visible safe area above the marked frame. It was incredible to see how Dave kept the tip of the microphone visible in the safe area but never in shot, this was while walking along and avoiding lamp stands, overhead lighting and multiple obstructions built by the art dept. No shadows in shot either, despite complex lighting which wasn?t at all sound-friendly. It was all done with a five metre pole extended to about three quarters, so it was physically demanding too. The finished film got shown at Cannes and when Variety reviewed it, they specifically praised the sound, but Dave Sutton was the one who really made the difference. Alan Taylor On 27 Feb 2021, at 20:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? Boom operator, Pat, surely a fishing rod and not a Mole of Fisher real boom! How demeaning for you! Cheers, Dave On 27/02/2021 17:59, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I needed some kitchen electrics quickly, and had to temporarily join Amazon Prime. They have films like Confessions of a Plumbers Mate -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One assumes that the family had agreed to this saturation coverage, given the celebrity status of Sir John. I found it over the top. Regards, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Feb 28 06:00:26 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5905d9b32fdavesound@btinternet.com> Just to say. I sent a post on a new subject two days ago. Hasn't appeared. But replies I send to exactly the same address seem to work ok. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From nick at nickway.co.uk Sun Feb 28 06:10:13 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:10:13 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <801405294.118476.1614514213387@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 28 06:52:43 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 12:52:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Plumbers In-Reply-To: <45253FA6-C4ED-41D7-96F8-23B12B4A1CD5@me.com> References: <45253FA6-C4ED-41D7-96F8-23B12B4A1CD5@me.com> Message-ID: <603b921b.1c69fb81.9917e.96b8@mx.google.com> Another tale from ?Plumbers?. The hero?s girlfriend had to hop on to the back of his motorbike. After the shot, the cameraman said he thought he caught a flash of knickers ? she giggled and said she wasn?t wearing any! I attach a ?monograph?! about boom operating, which backs up Nick?s dismissal of producers thinking that any old person could ?hold the pole?. Now that is demeaning. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 28 February 2021 08:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] (no subject) Nothing demeaning about a talented boom op using a fish pole. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Boom Operating.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 37812 bytes Desc: not available URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sun Feb 28 07:10:19 2021 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:10:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. Message-ID: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old Amazon orders and post a link. Doug On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it out - it still works. I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server for use on the main TV. But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said Win10 on it. All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Feb 28 07:14:57 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 13:14:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave I have a pro analogue to digital converter that you are welcome to have, it?s sitting in a box waiting to be thrown out. It?s a Datavideo DAC 2. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Feb 2021, at 13:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: > > If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old Amazon orders and post a link. > > Doug > > On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the > ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. > > Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm > on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it > out - it still works. > > I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server > for use on the main TV. > > But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. > > Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. > Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. > > It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The > picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. > with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. > > It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic > driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said > Win10 on it. > > All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for > them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Feb 28 08:50:37 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:50:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> Message-ID: Doesn't that need Firewire at the computer end? B On 28/02/2021 13:14, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Dave > > I have a pro analogue to digital converter that you are welcome to have, it?s sitting in a box waiting to be thrown out. It?s a Datavideo DAC 2. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Feb 2021, at 13:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote: >> >> If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old Amazon orders and post a link. >> >> Doug >> >> On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the >> ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. >> >> Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm >> on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it >> out - it still works. >> >> I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server >> for use on the main TV. >> >> But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. >> >> Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. >> Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. >> >> It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The >> picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. >> with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. >> >> It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic >> driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said >> Win10 on it. >> >> All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for >> them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Feb 28 08:57:31 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:57:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> Message-ID: <27E86F55-6D32-4436-BF12-C3D1B55D82F0@icloud.com> I think you are right, it is so long since I?ve used it I?ve forgotten the details. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Feb 2021, at 14:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Doesn't that need Firewire at the computer end? > > B > > > On 28/02/2021 13:14, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> Hi Dave >> >> I have a pro analogue to digital converter that you are welcome to have, it?s sitting in a box waiting to be thrown out. It?s a Datavideo DAC 2. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >>> On 28 Feb 2021, at 13:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old Amazon orders and post a link. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the >>> ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. >>> >>> Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm >>> on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it >>> out - it still works. >>> >>> I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server >>> for use on the main TV. >>> >>> But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. >>> >>> Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. >>> Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. >>> >>> It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The >>> picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. >>> with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. >>> >>> It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic >>> driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said >>> Win10 on it. >>> >>> All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for >>> them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Plowman >>> dave at davesound.co.uk >>> London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Feb 28 08:59:12 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 14:59:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: <27E86F55-6D32-4436-BF12-C3D1B55D82F0@icloud.com> References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> <27E86F55-6D32-4436-BF12-C3D1B55D82F0@icloud.com> Message-ID: <86E23DE4-7A2E-4C37-A660-4BBBD1C6F96C@icloud.com> Having checked, it is a firewire interface. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Feb 2021, at 14:57, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > I think you are right, it is so long since I?ve used it I?ve forgotten the details. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Feb 2021, at 14:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Doesn't that need Firewire at the computer end? >> >> B >> >> >> On 28/02/2021 13:14, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> Hi Dave >>> >>> I have a pro analogue to digital converter that you are welcome to have, it?s sitting in a box waiting to be thrown out. It?s a Datavideo DAC 2. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 28 Feb 2021, at 13:10, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> If you mean this one, it did post. I had the same problem, sent two back that did not work. I finally found one on Amazon some time ago that seems to work, but have not used properly yet. I will have a look at my old Amazon orders and post a link. >>>> >>>> Doug >>>> >>>> On 27 February 2021, at 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Came across a box of VHS tapes I'd forgotten about. Had transferred the >>>> ones I wanted to DVD many years ago. >>>> >>>> Do still have a working VHS player - a Panasonic S-VHS which cost and arm >>>> on a leg years ago, so kept for sentimental reasons. ;-) And checked it >>>> out - it still works. >>>> >>>> I'd like to transfer some of those tapes to hard disc - I have a server >>>> for use on the main TV. >>>> >>>> But don't any longer have a PC with analogue video inputs. >>>> >>>> Bought a CVBS and S-Video to USB adaptor from Ebay for under a tenner. >>>> Came with an edit prog etc on DVD too. >>>> >>>> It does sort of work - but looks like a timing error in old money. The >>>> picture is split into 4 and displaced both horizontally and vertically. >>>> with the left of the picture on the right and vice versa etc. >>>> >>>> It's likely the USB device driver. Windows 10 has decided its generic >>>> driver is best. Oddly, it thinks it's a camera. Even although the CD said >>>> Win10 on it. >>>> >>>> All the adaptors on Ebay appear to be the same - but hundreds of ads for >>>> them. Wouldn't object to paying more for one that actually works properly. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dave Plowman >>>> dave at davesound.co.uk >>>> London SW 12 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Feb 28 10:01:49 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 16:01:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. In-Reply-To: References: <42vjqlwy1mvqc5t7rx35im83.1614517819899@email.android.com> Message-ID: <603bbe6e.1c69fb81.f5176.cb43@mx.google.com> Not necessarily. I have a ClimaxDigital VCAP800 USB2.0 Video capture kit. The photo on Amazon shows a different output plug, but mine is definitely a standard USB. Haven?t used it yet, but I did acquire a professional Sony S-VHS player from Stanley Productions service workshop, after the Wardour retail shop went. Sadly, the Thames Ditton workshop, easy for me, closed down and moved to London. Martin, their chief engineer retired, but I believe Paul, his #2 is still in harness. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 28 February 2021 14:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Transferring VHS. Doesn't that need Firewire at the computer end? 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Feb 28 16:19:22 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 22:19:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Captain Tom's funeral In-Reply-To: <2e7d49d6-74d2-f220-040a-1dd8f6ad3ca0@btinternet.com> References: <2e7d49d6-74d2-f220-040a-1dd8f6ad3ca0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <35e8ce15-c46d-7f75-a4be-a4dab2b40ab2@btinternet.com> On 27/02/2021 21:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I imagine that most of you caught some, if not all, of the 'private > family' funeral service. How it can be private with billlions of > people watching it is beyond me! I thought that the coverage was > grossly? invasive showing the faces of the bereaved and the holding of > hands etc. I expect that the Sun and Sky news editors were waiting and > hoping for a tear drop to put on their front pages! One assumes that > the family had agreed to this saturation coverage, given the celebrity > status of Sir John. I found it over the top. Regards, Dave > > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Feb 28 16:20:08 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2021 22:20:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Captain Tom's funeral In-Reply-To: <603b8725.1c69fb81.dbce7.4b62@mx.google.com> References: <2e7d49d6-74d2-f220-040a-1dd8f6ad3ca0@btinternet.com> <603b8725.1c69fb81.dbce7.4b62@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <66611cc3-733f-9e2d-40d4-8e1ba1f3d386@btinternet.com> Sorry, Sir TOM not john. On 28/02/2021 12:05, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Who?s Sir John, Dave? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *27 February 2021 21:53 > *To: *, > *Cc: *dave.mdv > *Subject: *[Tech1] Captain Tom's funeral > > I imagine that most of you caught some, if not all, of the 'private > > family' funeral service. How it can be private with billlions of people > > watching it is beyond me! I thought that the coverage was grossly > > invasive showing the faces of the bereaved and the holding of hands etc. > > I expect that the Sun and Sky news editors were waiting and hoping for a > > tear drop to put on their front pages! One assumes that the family had > > agreed to this saturation coverage, given the celebrity status of Sir > > John. I found it over the top. Regards, Dave > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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