From waresound at msn.com  Wed Dec  1 03:24:14 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 09:24:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
Message-ID: <AS8P191MB1973AD6AD37D1FDEBFD6E595A7689@AS8P191MB1973.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMPbKVb8y8s 
Or just Google: ?How an Amazon depot works?
Etc.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

> On 1 Dec 2021, at 00:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?I'd assumed pretty well all the sorting was done with machines, based on the barcode reference. With only the local delivery left to humans.
> 
> On 30/11/2021 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> I ordered a present for my new son-in-law from Amazon and gave them the delivery address in Somerset. It arrived at MY house this morning! On an Amazon e-mail to me it said that my parcel had been delivered and handed to the recipient IN SOMERSET! How's that for misinformation? Cheers, Dave
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed Dec  1 03:51:41 2021
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 09:51:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ofcom annual review of the BBC
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What a wonderful opportunity to launch a range of science programmes!
From renewable energy and artificial inteligence to genetic engineering and climate change there are many avenues to explore. Children are being encouraged to take an interest in engineering, in particular girls.
Would not an increase in science programming be welcome if presented imaginatively? 
I'm off now to listen to the Reith Lectures.

Have as good a Christmas as you are able,

John.


> On 26 Nov 2021, at 17:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1
> @tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m particularly annoyed that one has to subscribe to BritBox to watch programmes that were previously ?free? (apart from the licence fee).
> And while artistes might get repeat fees, us poor technicians get nowt.
> There was one occasion, for a programme on how TV was made and a camera was put in the Sound Control to show us working away. We had to be paid an appearance fee, think it was 10 guineas, but as it was in BBC time, they docked us ?3!
> Pat
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> Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
> Subject: [Tech1] Ofcom annual review of the BBC
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> Ofcom warned that this percentage could increase even further following the corporation?s move to turn BBC Four into a repeats channel.
> 
> I find this a sad comment on the way our society?s attitudes have changed. Coupled with recent news that the Royals are so miffed over the recent Princes and the Press documentary that the Cambridge?s carol concert has been offered to ITV rather than the Beeb, it seems things are in a downward spiral I see little chance of recovery from. Am I being too gloomy?
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From tuckergarth at me.com  Wed Dec  1 04:10:26 2021
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 10:10:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ice Rinks (2nd time round)
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> On 30 Nov 2021, at 19:37, Garth Tucker <tuckergarth at me.com> wrote:
> 
> The Queens Ice Rink is on the Queensway in Bayswater.
> 
> With regard to the Rink in Richmond (St. Margarets, Twickenham, to be precise) could it have been that Geoff, Nick and I were there on the same pre-BBC occasion?
> 
> Garth



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  1 04:49:14 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 10:49:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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I mentioned that I?d had no problem with a different delivery address ? frequently having stuff sent to an address in Somerset(!) when staying with friends.
Haven?t yet looked at Nick?s suggestion, but I can mention a novel by James Patterson ? ?The Store? where, futuristically, a whole town is conditioned into their lifestyle to buy from the Store, to the extent that it virtually takes over their lives.
When I read it, I thought that that was where Amazon was headed!
Some folks deplore Amazon, as they do not treat their staff well, pushing them to unreasonable lengths to meet deadlines. A series of TV commercials was put out, with staff saying how great it was to work for them. (Damage Control!).
But, it?s a smooth operation, particularly when it?s possible to get same day delivery. One BBC correspondent to this forum pointed out that, where he lives, the roads are choked up with delivery vans waiting to collect their loads. A case where Amazon has not considered the impact on local residents near their warehouses, or ignored it.
Book is available from Surrey Libraries, and if you want an e-book version, sign up to Overdrive, and download books to a tablet. Works well and was/is a godsend during lockdown when the libraries were closed.
I got a card yesterday from Royal Mail, saying that parcels can now be collected from your door, by your friendly neighbourhood postie! So they are catching up, but slowly. RM must have lost out massively with all the delivery firms now operating. (DHL, Hermes, etc, etc).
Best,
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 01 December 2021 09:24
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMPbKVb8y8s 
Or just Google: ?How an Amazon depot works?
Etc.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

> On 1 Dec 2021, at 00:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?I'd assumed pretty well all the sorting was done with machines, based on the barcode reference. With only the local delivery left to humans.
> 
> On 30/11/2021 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> I ordered a present for my new son-in-law from Amazon and gave them the delivery address in Somerset. It arrived at MY house this morning! On an Amazon e-mail to me it said that my parcel had been delivered and handed to the recipient IN SOMERSET! How's that for misinformation? Cheers, Dave



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Dec  1 05:29:23 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 11:29:23 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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".......my new son-in-law from Amazon......".        I trust he was well 
packaged and fit for purpose!

Dave Newbitt.

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 11:09 PM
To: Phil ; Dave ; Dave ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon

I ordered a present for my new son-in-law from Amazon and gave them the
delivery address in Somerset. It arrived at MY house this morning! On an
Amazon e-mail to me it said that my parcel had been delivered and handed
to the recipient IN SOMERSET! How's that for misinformation? Cheers, Dave


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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Dec  1 05:55:03 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 11:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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For at least eight years, there has been an informal system in our village where if you leave a parcel or large envelope on top of the postbox, when the postman does his 16:00 collection, he will pick up the parcel and put it into the system. The post box is on the village green and overlooked by multiple houses, so anybody trying to steal such a parcel would most likely be spotted.

I?m not sure how parcel collections from houses would work here.  If no post were being delivered to my house that morning, how would the postie know to collect a parcel? Do you book a collection in the same way that you do with other parcel companies?

Alan Taylor

> On 1 Dec 2021, at 10:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> .
> I got a card yesterday from Royal Mail, sayings that parcels can now be collected from your door, by your friendly neighbourhood postie! So they are catching up, but slowly. RM must have lost out massively with all the delivery firms now operating. (DHL, Hermes, etc, etc).
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  1 06:31:45 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 12:31:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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 Sounds a bit dodgy to me! Maybe you have a network of Miss Marple curtain twitchers?
The Royal Mail parcel pick-up does require a pre-arranged booking.
Pat


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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 01 December 2021 11:55
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazon

For at least eight years, there has been an informal system in our village where if you leave a parcel or large envelope on top of the postbox, when the postman does his 16:00 collection, he will pick up the parcel and put it into the system. The post box is on the village green and overlooked by multiple houses, so anybody trying to steal such a parcel would most likely be spotted.

I?m not sure how parcel collections from houses would work here. ?If no post were being delivered to my house that morning, how would the postie know to collect a parcel? Do you book a collection in the same way that you do with other parcel companies?

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Dec  1 06:47:26 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 12:47:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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I rather like the parcel locker units Hermes and others have. You do 
everything online and print out the address label. Then take it to a 
24/7 locker, which scans the barcode, and opens a box to take your 
parcel. Saves having to wait in for a collection, or queueing up at a 
post office, etc. Or course it will depend on how handy a locker is for 
you - compared to a collection point shop, or PO etc. I have a pillar 
box at the end of this road. if the PO added a parcel locker to that, 
they'd get more business from me. Mainly to support the super postman 
who delivers here.

On 01/12/2021 11:55, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> For at least eight years, there has been an informal system in our 
> village where if you leave a parcel or large envelope on top of the 
> postbox, when the postman does his 16:00 collection, he will pick up 
> the parcel and put it into the system. The post box is on the village 
> green and overlooked by multiple houses, so anybody trying to steal 
> such a parcel would most likely be spotted.
>
> I?m not sure how parcel collections from houses would work here. ?If 
> no post were being delivered to my house that morning, how would the 
> postie know to collect a parcel? Do you book a collection in the same 
> way that you do with other parcel companies?
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 10:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> .
>>
>> I got a card yesterday from Royal Mail, sayings that parcels can now 
>> be collected from your door, by your friendly neighbourhood postie! 
>> So they are catching up, but slowly. RM must have lost out massively 
>> with all the delivery firms now operating. (DHL, Hermes, etc, etc).
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Wed Dec  1 06:58:37 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 12:58:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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I live some three miles north of Dumfries and our local sub-office is a 
seven/eight minute walk away on a 1950s housing scheme.

However, on a number of occasions I have given the postman on his 
delivery round to our lane, pre-stamped post (mainly letters) and he has 
accepted them without problem.

Dave Buckley

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Dec  1 07:43:17 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 13:43:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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References: <7c88f9e2-3152-d2e4-82e1-881d90277fb3@btinternet.com>
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There are a number of Amazon collection lockers around here, but some of them are in shopping centres or supermarkets with restricted opening hours.  There is also a network of other Amazon collection points, some in small petrol stations which are open 24/7. They?re not at all sophisticated.  You ask at the counter and the assistant hands you your parcel after scanning it with the barcode reader on the till.

I was a bit thrown when I first went to one as I was expecting to find automatic lockers.  The name of the petrol station given by Amazon wasn?t the same as it?s known locally, so after failing to spot the lockers, I initially assumed I was at the wrong place. It was only when I saw somebody walking out with a big parcel that I realised you go in and ask.

Alan Taylor

> On 1 Dec 2021, at 12:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I rather like the parcel locker units Hermes and others have. You do everything online and print out the address label. Then take it to a 24/7 locker, which scans the barcode, and opens a box to take your parcel. Saves having to wait in for a collection, or queueing up at a post office, etc. Or course it will depend on how handy a locker is for you - compared to a collection point shop, or PO etc. I have a pillar box at the end of this road. if the PO added a parcel locker to that, they'd get more business from me. Mainly to support the super postman who delivers here.
> 
> On 01/12/2021 11:55, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> For at least eight years, there has been an informal system in our village where if you leave a parcel or large envelope on top of the postbox, when the postman does his 16:00 collection, he will pick up the parcel and put it into the system. The post box is on the village green and overlooked by multiple houses, so anybody trying to steal such a parcel would most likely be spotted.
>> 
>> I?m not sure how parcel collections from houses would work here.  If no post were being delivered to my house that morning, how would the postie know to collect a parcel? Do you book a collection in the same way that you do with other parcel companies?
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 10:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> .
>>> I got a card yesterday from Royal Mail, sayings that parcels can now be collected from your door, by your friendly neighbourhood postie! So they are catching up, but slowly. RM must have lost out massively with all the delivery firms now operating. (DHL, Hermes, etc, etc).
>>> Best,
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Dec  1 07:46:21 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 13:46:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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Had the same collecting from the local Co-op. Further confusion caused because they used to have lockers outside but those have been removed.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 Dec 2021, at 13:43, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There are a number of Amazon collection lockers around here, but some of them are in shopping centres or supermarkets with restricted opening hours.  There is also a network of other Amazon collection points, some in small petrol stations which are open 24/7. They?re not at all sophisticated.  You ask at the counter and the assistant hands you your parcel after scanning it with the barcode reader on the till.
> 
> I was a bit thrown when I first went to one as I was expecting to find automatic lockers.  The name of the petrol station given by Amazon wasn?t the same as it?s known locally, so after failing to spot the lockers, I initially assumed I was at the wrong place. It was only when I saw somebody walking out with a big parcel that I realised you go in and ask.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 12:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I rather like the parcel locker units Hermes and others have. You do everything online and print out the address label. Then take it to a 24/7 locker, which scans the barcode, and opens a box to take your parcel. Saves having to wait in for a collection, or queueing up at a post office, etc. Or course it will depend on how handy a locker is for you - compared to a collection point shop, or PO etc. I have a pillar box at the end of this road. if the PO added a parcel locker to that, they'd get more business from me. Mainly to support the super postman who delivers here.
>> 
>> On 01/12/2021 11:55, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> For at least eight years, there has been an informal system in our village where if you leave a parcel or large envelope on top of the postbox, when the postman does his 16:00 collection, he will pick up the parcel and put it into the system. The post box is on the village green and overlooked by multiple houses, so anybody trying to steal such a parcel would most likely be spotted.
>>> 
>>> I?m not sure how parcel collections from houses would work here.  If no post were being delivered to my house that morning, how would the postie know to collect a parcel? Do you book a collection in the same way that you do with other parcel companies?
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>>> On 1 Dec 2021, at 10:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> .
>>>> I got a card yesterday from Royal Mail, sayings that parcels can now be collected from your door, by your friendly neighbourhood postie! So they are catching up, but slowly. RM must have lost out massively with all the delivery firms now operating. (DHL, Hermes, etc, etc).
>>>> Best,
>>>> Pat
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  1 08:03:17 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 14:03:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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Well, my local Co-op had a cashpoint machine, accessible from outside, which got ram-raided and made off with. The nearby pub?s CCTV captured the whole scenario, but I?ve no idea if the boys in blue made a successful collar!
Pat

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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 01 December 2021 13:46
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazon

Had the same collecting from the local Co-op. Further confusion caused because they used to have lockers outside but those have been removed.
? 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Dec  1 08:09:18 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 14:09:18 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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I'm lucky. The locker I use is situated just outside the local railway
station. That entrance is on a small industrial estate which is a
cul-de-sac. So very easy to park for the few minutes needed to drop off a
parcel too big to carry. Not sure I'd want to visit that in the dead of
night, though.   

In article <A51FDE49-5095-4929-BEB1-8C5313A3FDF4 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> There are a number of Amazon collection lockers around here, but some of
> them are in shopping centres or supermarkets with restricted opening
> hours.  There is also a network of other Amazon collection points, some
> in small petrol stations which are open 24/7. They?re not at all
> sophisticated.  You ask at the counter and the assistant hands you your
> parcel after scanning it with the barcode reader on the till.

> I was a bit thrown when I first went to one as I was expecting to find
> automatic lockers.  The name of the petrol station given by Amazon
> wasn?t the same as it?s known locally, so after failing to spot the
> lockers, I initially assumed I was at the wrong place. It was only when
> I saw somebody walking out with a big parcel that I realised you go in
> and ask.

> Alan Taylor

> > On 1 Dec 2021, at 12:48, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > # I rather like the parcel locker units Hermes and others have. You do
> > everything online and print out the address label. Then take it to a
> > 24/7 locker, which scans the barcode, and opens a box to take your
> > parcel. Saves having to wait in for a collection, or queueing up at a
> > post office, etc. Or course it will depend on how handy a locker is
> > for you - compared to a collection point shop, or PO etc. I have a
> > pillar box at the end of this road. if the PO added a parcel locker to
> > that, they'd get more business from me. Mainly to support the super
> > postman who delivers here.
> >

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Dec  1 10:05:27 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2021 16:05:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Scam
Message-ID: <03iwi34qr7s1b6qv7346m4h5.1638374379745@email.android.com>

I had a new scam phone call today. I had won a "Post Code Lottry". A holliday and ?299 expences. In order to make sure they were going to pay the right person, they needed my bank details and were going to pay ?1 in. I would have to confirm that I had received it, and I would get the winnings. Worryingly the knew my name, address and phone number. Obviously it was a call from India, but they said details were into post so it will be interesting to see if anything turns up. I did at least manage to waste fifteen minutes of their their time when they could have been scamming someone else.
Doug

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  1 12:36:40 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2021 18:36:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] New Scam
In-Reply-To: <03iwi34qr7s1b6qv7346m4h5.1638374379745@email.android.com>
References: <03iwi34qr7s1b6qv7346m4h5.1638374379745@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <61a7c0b7.1c69fb81.caabc.069a@mx.google.com>

As a Neighbourhood Watch co-ordinator ? not that I do much, I get advice letters from Surrey Police, which tells how to spot a scam e-mail. Look out for spelling mistakes or bad English, for instance.
If I get a phone call that is not recognised by my memory bank, or shows up as ?withheld? or ?international?, I let the answer machine collect it, then phone it back a few moments later, to get ? this number is not recognised? therefore a ?borrowed? number and fake.
You could try answering with: ? Action Fraud UK, how can we help. Please give your name and the first line of your address!?

Genuine callers not in my memory will leave a message when invited.
Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1
Sent: 01 December 2021 16:05
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] New Scam

I had a new scam phone call today. I had won a "Post Code Lottry". A holliday and ?299 expences. In order to make sure they were going to pay the right person, they needed my bank details and were going to pay ?1 in. I would have to confirm that I had received it, and I would get the winnings. Worryingly the knew my name, address and phone number. Obviously it was a call from India, but they said details were into post so it will be interesting to see if anything turns up. I did at least manage to waste fifteen minutes of their their time when they could have been scamming someone else.
Doug
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 09:57:22 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 15:57:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Untold riches
Message-ID: <767b44dd-639b-fd1b-4727-f11db68091ed@gmail.com>

 ?I too was offered the riches of the post code lottery the other day, 
though I didn't actually know what it was until Doug reported it, 
because the person on the phone had probably only learned English the 
day before, and appeared to be in a large noisy call centre somewhere in 
the world.? I gave up before too long.

Meanwhile, I use to have shares in Anglo American, and a while back they 
split off some mining interests in South Africa called Thungela 
Resources, of which I got a proportion.? Looking this morning at my 
account, the shares have gone up by 606.71% - just incredible! ? The 
next Disorganised would be on me - apart from the fact that my holdings 
are now worth ?16.99. I'll buy the crisps.

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Dec  3 10:37:22 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 16:37:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Untold riches
In-Reply-To: <767b44dd-639b-fd1b-4727-f11db68091ed@gmail.com>
References: <767b44dd-639b-fd1b-4727-f11db68091ed@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd42c001-ca8e-9ed3-5872-1b6cd52567e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>

I think I'd sell those off fairly quickly, Bernie.

The split off was to remove some of the worst of the carbon footprint 
from Anglo American, and Thungela , as a straight coalminer, is right in 
the firing line for climate activists;}

Chris


On 03/12/2021 15:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> ?I too was offered the riches of the post code lottery the other day, 
> though I didn't actually know what it was until Doug reported it, 
> because the person on the phone had probably only learned English the 
> day before, and appeared to be in a large noisy call centre somewhere 
> in the world.? I gave up before too long.
>
> Meanwhile, I use to have shares in Anglo American, and a while back 
> they split off some mining interests in South Africa called Thungela 
> Resources, of which I got a proportion.? Looking this morning at my 
> account, the shares have gone up by 606.71% - just incredible! ? The 
> next Disorganised would be on me - apart from the fact that my 
> holdings are now worth ?16.99. I'll buy the crisps.
>
> B
>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Dec  3 10:49:40 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 16:49:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Untold riches
In-Reply-To: <767b44dd-639b-fd1b-4727-f11db68091ed@gmail.com>
References: <767b44dd-639b-fd1b-4727-f11db68091ed@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5764e8cc-ef7d-d3eb-0f1f-8e988736ba58@btinternet.com>

Lucky you! Don't spend it all at once! Cheers, Dave

On 03/12/2021 15:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> ?I too was offered the riches of the post code lottery the other day, 
> though I didn't actually know what it was until Doug reported it, 
> because the person on the phone had probably only learned English the 
> day before, and appeared to be in a large noisy call centre somewhere 
> in the world.? I gave up before too long.
>
> Meanwhile, I use to have shares in Anglo American, and a while back 
> they split off some mining interests in South Africa called Thungela 
> Resources, of which I got a proportion.? Looking this morning at my 
> account, the shares have gone up by 606.71% - just incredible! ? The 
> next Disorganised would be on me - apart from the fact that my 
> holdings are now worth ?16.99. I'll buy the crisps.
>
> B
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Dec  3 11:06:54 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 17:06:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
Message-ID: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>

I take it all back about the wrong delivery address! I don't know how it 
happened (hic) but I? ordered two of the same item to be delivered to 
two different addresses! What a twit! Anyway, I went through the Amazon 
returns procedure last night and had a choice of how to reurn the one I 
received, either Hermes, UPS, or Royal Mail. I opted for UPS as my local 
paper shop is a collect-and-drop off point for them. Amazon then sent a 
bar code to my mobile. I took the item down at 1055 this morning with no 
packaging and no labels, as requested. At the shop the assistant put the 
item in a bag, photoed the bar code on my mobile, photoed the barcode on 
their bag, and that was that. As I left the shop I got a message to say 
the my item had been left at the shop and 5 hours later I got a message 
from Amazon to say the my refund had been sent to my card! How's that 
for efficincy? Cheers, Dave



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 11:22:34 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 17:22:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Untold riches
In-Reply-To: <cd42c001-ca8e-9ed3-5872-1b6cd52567e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <767b44dd-639b-fd1b-4727-f11db68091ed@gmail.com>
	<cd42c001-ca8e-9ed3-5872-1b6cd52567e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <69a1a97e-0ed4-acb8-c8bd-394e454ff6c3@gmail.com>

Yes - though after the fees etc, I'd end up with very little of my ?16.99.

An interesting modern conundrum, is coal.? As a country, it's a really 
good thing if, for instance,? we make our own steel for our own 
infrastructure.? To do that - for a good while yet - we need coal. We 
have a few thousand years worth of coal under our feet, but it's much 
cheaper to buy it in from abroad and let somewhere else - maybe South 
Africa - pollute their landscape.? And of course, for ships using nasty 
bunker fuel to move it.

Someone wants to build a modern coal mine in Cumbria, to feed our 
current needs.? The government has to decide whether to, but wasn't 
going to do so before COP26, and i don't think they have yet. All a bit 
tricky really, with activists living in a "change it now" world, the 
people of Cumbria needing employment, and the steel industry needing 
lots of coal (plus the small amounts for heritage railways).

Down at the Old Bloke's Saturday Morning Arguments Organisation, 
otherwise known as the LTFC Clubhouse Tea and Bacon Butty Club, someone 
recently bought an electric car, and goes on and on about it, especially 
as fuel prices have risen enormously. This actually doesn't affect us 
much, as we're all well past commuting age, but it's made me take an 
ongoing interest. The first thing with the electric car, is that he 
lives in a detached bungalow - no charging problems for him. Someone 
else lives in a three storey terraced house in south London, on a long 
street of same.? It's just not going to work for him. So I said - 
hydrogen! , having read all about JCB's research, but actually the 
answer might turn out to be ammonia.? Nasty stuff, but if you use your 
off-shore windfarm to stick two electrodes into the sea then use the 
Haber Bosch process (learned about that in third form chemistry) to 
convert to liquid ammonia, transport to where it's needed is easy and 
has been done safely for a long time. So now I'm saying - ammonia! If 
you have a leak, you'll know about it very quickly.

B



On 03/12/2021 16:37, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I think I'd sell those off fairly quickly, Bernie.
>
> The split off was to remove some of the worst of the carbon footprint 
> from Anglo American, and Thungela , as a straight coalminer, is right 
> in the firing line for climate activists;}
>
> Chris
>
>
> On 03/12/2021 15:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> ?I too was offered the riches of the post code lottery the other day, 
>> though I didn't actually know what it was until Doug reported it, 
>> because the person on the phone had probably only learned English the 
>> day before, and appeared to be in a large noisy call centre somewhere 
>> in the world.? I gave up before too long.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I use to have shares in Anglo American, and a while back 
>> they split off some mining interests in South Africa called Thungela 
>> Resources, of which I got a proportion. Looking this morning at my 
>> account, the shares have gone up by 606.71% - just incredible! ? The 
>> next Disorganised would be on me - apart from the fact that my 
>> holdings are now worth ?16.99. I'll buy the crisps.
>>
>> B
>>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Dec  3 11:39:13 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 17:39:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
In-Reply-To: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>
References: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19810B1788A7591AAAEE4602A76A9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

That?s how it works, very efficient. The only pity is that an awful lot of low value returns go to landfill (I?m reliably informed).
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

> On 3 Dec 2021, at 17:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I take it all back about the wrong delivery address! I don't know how it happened (hic) but I  ordered two of the same item to be delivered to two different addresses! What a twit! Anyway, I went through the Amazon returns procedure last night and had a choice of how to reurn the one I received, either Hermes, UPS, or Royal Mail. I opted for UPS as my local paper shop is a collect-and-drop off point for them. Amazon then sent a bar code to my mobile. I took the item down at 1055 this morning with no packaging and no labels, as requested. At the shop the assistant put the item in a bag, photoed the bar code on my mobile, photoed the barcode on their bag, and that was that. As I left the shop I got a message to say the my item had been left at the shop and 5 hours later I got a message from Amazon to say the my refund had been sent to my card! How's that for efficincy? Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  3 16:32:05 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 22:32:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Untold riches
In-Reply-To: <80E5A0C3-4A22-4B20-A8FF-2A533A388C4E@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <767b44dd-639b-fd1b-4727-f11db68091ed@gmail.com>
	<cd42c001-ca8e-9ed3-5872-1b6cd52567e8@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<69a1a97e-0ed4-acb8-c8bd-394e454ff6c3@gmail.com>
	<80E5A0C3-4A22-4B20-A8FF-2A533A388C4E@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1cb166cc-495c-661f-574e-08dbe07204b4@gmail.com>

I think everyone - apart from maybe the Chinese and Indians - think coal 
is a thing of the past, but we do still need it for now. 
https://britishsteel.co.uk/what-we-do/how-we-make-steel/

To use electricity/hydrogen means that you need electricity and 
hydrogen, both labelled green.? Which rather takes us back round the 
loop. There's no magic. With the best will in the world it takes a long 
time to change all this stuff, and in the meantime we have to have 
interim solutions, like maybe a coal mine. Maybe. Probably for 20 or 
more years.

On the original share investment, I didn't actually invest in Thungela. 
Many years ago I invested in Anglo American, because we always need 
miners. When they separated off Thungela, I got all of ?2.80 worth of 
shares in the company. The share price seems to be very volatile, as 
mine are currently worth ?17.20, a rise at close of the market of 614.43%

B



On 03/12/2021 17:32, Chris Woolf wrote:
> The argument for coal (or rather coke) for steel is largely blown. You 
> don't need it.
> The modern solution is to use hydrogen as the reducing agent.
> To put ourselves in the position of using coke would be to tie us into 
> a hopelessly out of date technology for another 30 years. Cheaper in 
> the very short term but disastrous in the long one - sadly, something 
> we're terribly good at in this country.
> Chris Woolf
>
> On 3 December 2021 17:22:34 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     Yes - though after the fees etc, I'd end up with very little of my
>     ?16.99.
>
>     An interesting modern conundrum, is coal.? As a country, it's a
>     really good thing if, for instance,? we make our own steel for our
>     own infrastructure.? To do that - for a good while yet - we need
>     coal. We have a few thousand years worth of coal under our feet,
>     but it's much cheaper to buy it in from abroad and let somewhere
>     else - maybe South Africa - pollute their landscape.? And of
>     course, for ships using nasty bunker fuel to move it.
>
>     Someone wants to build a modern coal mine in Cumbria, to feed our
>     current needs.? The government has to decide whether to, but
>     wasn't going to do so before COP26, and i don't think they have
>     yet. All a bit tricky really, with activists living in a "change
>     it now" world, the people of Cumbria needing employment, and the
>     steel industry needing lots of coal (plus the small amounts for
>     heritage railways).
>
>     Down at the Old Bloke's Saturday Morning Arguments Organisation,
>     otherwise known as the LTFC Clubhouse Tea and Bacon Butty Club,
>     someone recently bought an electric car, and goes on and on about
>     it, especially as fuel prices have risen enormously. This actually
>     doesn't affect us much, as we're all well past commuting age, but
>     it's made me take an ongoing interest. The first thing with the
>     electric car, is that he lives in a detached bungalow - no
>     charging problems for him. Someone else lives in a three storey
>     terraced house in south London, on a long street of same.? It's
>     just not going to work for him. So I said - hydrogen! , having
>     read all about JCB's research, but actually the answer might turn
>     out to be ammonia.? Nasty stuff, but if you use your off-shore
>     windfarm to stick two electrodes into the sea then use the Haber
>     Bosch process (learned about that in third form chemistry) to
>     convert to liquid ammonia, transport to where it's needed is easy
>     and has been done safely for a long time. So now I'm saying -
>     ammonia! If you have a leak, you'll know about it very quickly.
>
>     B
>
>
>
>     On 03/12/2021 16:37, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>     I think I'd sell those off fairly quickly, Bernie.
>>
>>     The split off was to remove some of the worst of the carbon
>>     footprint from Anglo American, and Thungela , as a straight
>>     coalminer, is right in the firing line for climate activists;}
>>
>>     Chris
>>
>>
>>     On 03/12/2021 15:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>     ?I too was offered the riches of the post code lottery the other
>>>     day, though I didn't actually know what it was until Doug
>>>     reported it, because the person on the phone had probably only
>>>     learned English the day before, and appeared to be in a large
>>>     noisy call centre somewhere in the world.? I gave up before too
>>>     long.
>>>
>>>     Meanwhile, I use to have shares in Anglo American, and a while
>>>     back they split off some mining interests in South Africa called
>>>     Thungela Resources, of which I got a proportion.? Looking this
>>>     morning at my account, the shares have gone up by 606.71% - just
>>>     incredible! ? The next Disorganised would be on me - apart from
>>>     the fact that my holdings are now worth ?16.99. I'll buy the crisps.
>>>
>>>     B
>>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Dec  4 05:11:37 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 11:11:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
In-Reply-To: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>
References: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <61ab4ce9.1c69fb81.235dc.155f@mx.google.com>

I?ve probably posted the following before. My experiences with Amazon have been good, but I?ve now scrapped the monthly Prime subscription, as I don?t really need it ? the same day delivery was good, though.
My bank picked up a debit on my Mastercard, in favour of Amazon, which they thought was suspicious ? I only use Amex for Amazon, so it was an unusual transaction.
The bank cancelled the card, sending me a new one in three days, and leant on Amazon to make a refund of the fake amount ? not a lot, probably a test transaction by the perpetrators, to see if it worked.
This was a better experience than a friend had ? taking his wife for a jaunt to Paris on the Eurostar, struggling with suitcases, he stuffed his wallet into his back pocket ? not a good idea, as it got lifted. Later, his statement revealed that approx. ?10K had been extracted from his account, mostly to high end couturiers, who must have been in on the scam, as normally, without the PIN being entered, the transaction fails. He had an up and downer with his bank, but persevered and eventually they refunded the money.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 03 December 2021 17:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon

I take it all back about the wrong delivery address! I don't know how it 
happened (hic) but I? ordered two of the same item to be delivered to 
two different addresses! What a twit! Anyway, I went through the Amazon 
returns procedure last night and had a choice of how to reurn the one I 
received, either Hermes, UPS, or Royal Mail. I opted for UPS as my local 
paper shop is a collect-and-drop off point for them. Amazon then sent a 
bar code to my mobile. I took the item down at 1055 this morning with no 
packaging and no labels, as requested. At the shop the assistant put the 
item in a bag, photoed the bar code on my mobile, photoed the barcode on 
their bag, and that was that. As I left the shop I got a message to say 
the my item had been left at the shop and 5 hours later I got a message 
from Amazon to say the my refund had been sent to my card! How's that 
for efficincy? Cheers, Dave


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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  4 09:03:13 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 15:03:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Aiken
Message-ID: <DB9PR08MB704976CE430B6140AF9C8F0CD06B9@DB9PR08MB7049.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Everyone, Nina Shields has contacted me to say that Colin has passed away. Nina has asked if there is anyone who would like to contact her with any memories or condolences you would like to pass on ? ninashields at talktalk.net Nina passes on her best wishes to anyone who remembers her Thank you Sara 

Sent from my iPhone

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Dec  4 12:01:28 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 18:01:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] More good service!
Message-ID: <b0079806-182c-6adc-e717-a695fe441581@btinternet.com>

Yesterday afternoon, I took my wife to our nearest Sainsburys/Argos to 
get a Christmas present for our great-grandson. It wasn't in stock there 
but it was in other local branches. So we ordered it and just before 
0900 this morning I received a message to say that I could collect it 
anytime before tomorrow night from our local Argos! Cheers, Dave



From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Dec  4 13:20:50 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 19:20:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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I accept that there are many criticisms of Amazon and agree in some cases, but as far as customer service is concerned I have no quibbles. Unlike Pat, we seem to have Amazon Prime deliveries so frequently that I?m sure we?re in pocket, although I haven?t kept a tally ~ all that and Jeremy?s Farm too! That?s about the only thing I?ve bothered with on Prime TV, but I found it fascinating and quite revealing of JC?s character ~ I always found him quite entertaining, even if he is a buffoon, but I?ve warmed to him greatly since he reversed to let me pass in a Cotswold lane during the summer!

With regard to Amazon refunds, I?ve found the same as Dave and the credit has normally appeared on my credit card by the time I?ve got home from dropping off the parcel to the Hermes collection point. But I am currently awaiting the refund on a package I returned at the end of November ~ they say I must wait a fortnight to allow the return to be received and checked, which seems an excessive time to me, but my mother always taught me that patience is a virtue.

Mike G



> On 3 Dec 2021, at 17:06, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I take it all back about the wrong delivery address! I don't know how it happened (hic) but I  ordered two of the same item to be delivered to two different addresses! What a twit! Anyway, I went through the Amazon returns procedure last night and had a choice of how to reurn the one I received, either Hermes, UPS, or Royal Mail. I opted for UPS as my local paper shop is a collect-and-drop off point for them. Amazon then sent a bar code to my mobile. I took the item down at 1055 this morning with no packaging and no labels, as requested. At the shop the assistant put the item in a bag, photoed the bar code on my mobile, photoed the barcode on their bag, and that was that. As I left the shop I got a message to say the my item had been left at the shop and 5 hours later I got a message from Amazon to say the my refund had been sent to my card! How's that for efficincy? Cheers, Dave
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Dec  5 04:36:16 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:36:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Amazon
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I think I?ve stopped the lock-down spending spree for the moment, hence dropping Amazon Prime. I reckon I got my money?s worth overall, in saving on delivery charges, but now prepared to pay those for the occasional purchase.
I made a huge mistake earlier this year ? BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered it, when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I was going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to know ? it wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an on-line booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it cost me ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?

Pat

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From: M E GILES via Tech1
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I accept that there are many criticisms of Amazon and agree in some cases, but as far as customer service is concerned I have no quibbles. Unlike Pat, we seem to have Amazon Prime deliveries so frequently that I?m sure we?re in pocket, although I haven?t kept a tally 


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Dec  5 08:48:26 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 14:48:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
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Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43?
I?ve always been a Sony fan, but the bedroom set is a Samsung which is super.
Some of the review comments say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My small one does, but as I use the large Sony set as a monitor, off the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m not that bothered.
Best
Pat

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From: patheigham
Sent: 05 December 2021 10:36
To: M E GILES; Tech Ops
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Amazon

BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered it, when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I was going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to know ? it wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an on-line booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it cost me ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?

Pat




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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 08:53:20 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 14:53:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
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Isn't a TV without Freeview a monitor?

B



On 05/12/2021 14:48, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a 
> Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43?
>
> I?ve always been a Sony fan, but the bedroom set is a Samsung which is 
> super.
>
> Some of the review comments say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My 
> small one does, but as I use the large Sony set as a monitor, off the 
> DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m not that bothered.
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
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> *Subject: *RE: [Tech1] Amazon
>
> BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered it, 
> when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I was 
> going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to know ? it 
> wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an on-line 
> booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it cost me 
> ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Sun Dec  5 09:08:08 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 15:08:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531@mx.google.com>
References: <61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531@mx.google.com>
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Hi Pat

Like you I?ve always been a Sony TV person but I recently bought an LG 55? and sound bar when it was on a very good offer at John Lewis and after taking advice from this and other forums.
I have to say I?m incredibly impressed with both. The TV is an OLED model and the picture quality is amazing with the blacks being really black and the definition outstanding.
Ultimately I suspect you get what you pay for but getting the free sound bar clinched it for me.
The remote is also very easy and I believe you can use voice activation on it as well.
If you so desire you can also have it display a framed work of art when not in use.
John Lewis also include an extended warranty and whilst they no longer offer to match prices I think they offer a better all round service than Curry?s. IMHO.

Graham Maunder

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> On 5 Dec 2021, at 14:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43?
> I?ve always been a Sony fan, but the bedroom set is a Samsung which is super.
> Some of the review comments say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My small one does, but as I use the large Sony set as a monitor, off the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m not that bothered.
> Best
> Pat
>  
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> Sent: 05 December 2021 10:36
> To: M E GILES; Tech Ops
> Subject: RE: [Tech1] Amazon
>  
> BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered it, when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I was going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to know ? it wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an on-line booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it cost me ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  5 09:10:55 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:10:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531@mx.google.com>
References: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>
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In article <61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a
> Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43? I?ve always been a Sony fan, but
> the bedroom set is a Samsung which is super. Some of the review comments
> say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My small one does, but as I use
> the large Sony set as a monitor, off the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m
> not that bothered.

I doubt there is any set on the UK market without FreeView. Many have
FreeSat too.

You'll be lucky to find any set that takes RGB (SCART) these days. Most
are only HDMI and USB. 

I went for an LG OLED. Nice to have true blacks again. And a decent
viewing angle.

I did had a large screen Samsung. Had to Google to find out how to get the
picture out of 'killer in the shop' display mode to something reasonable.
But even then not that good. Perhaps their latest Q-LED are better. It
also failed in a big way just outside warranty. A new PS board from them
uneconomic. Luckily, found a used board on Ebay.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  5 09:25:02 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:25:02 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <EE0E1FB6-0D2F-4287-B3FF-F857A0F9766E@icloud.com>
References: <61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531@mx.google.com>
	<EE0E1FB6-0D2F-4287-B3FF-F857A0F9766E@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <59961e7e17davesound@btinternet.com>

Out of interest, Graham.

I have an odd intermittent fault on mine. On viewing the EPG, there should
be an arrow between station name and progs which takes you backwards on
the EPG. To use FreeView Play on an earlier transmitted prog. On channels
which offer this facility.

That arrow is sometimes there, sometimes not. Of course you can use the
i-player to view the prog - but far more of a fiddle. So I generally use
my PVR, where this always works.

I've Googled, but not found an answer. Or perhaps not wording the problem
correctly. And the software has been updated a couple of times since I've
had it.    


In article <EE0E1FB6-0D2F-4287-B3FF-F857A0F9766E at icloud.com>,
   Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Like you I?ve always been a Sony TV person but I recently bought an LG
> 55? and sound bar when it was on a very good offer at John Lewis and
> after taking advice from this and other forums. I have to say I?m
> incredibly impressed with both. The TV is an OLED model and the picture
> quality is amazing with the blacks being really black and the definition
> outstanding. Ultimately I suspect you get what you pay for but getting
> the free sound bar clinched it for me.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Dec  5 09:29:26 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 15:29:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <59961d3289davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <60DD9DA4-4328-4D81-8007-B223CB17CA7C@me.com>

As ever, here's a RGB -> HDMI converter on Amazon.


.https://www.amazon.co.uk/Component-Converter-SUNNATCH-Adapter-Xbox360/dp/B095CQHX55/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=YR5HVM2I5U1Z&keywords=rgb+to+hdmi+adapter&qid=1638717689&sprefix=RGB+to+,aps,174&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTVk0MlNHV0lETlkxJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTk2MjUyMUJXTjJXMjdFWVdDMCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjU3OTk5MTRYS0lUS1FMQjVRMSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU= <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Component-Converter-SUNNATCH-Adapter-Xbox360/dp/B095CQHX55/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=YR5HVM2I5U1Z&keywords=rgb+to+hdmi+adapter&qid=1638717689&sprefix=RGB+to+,aps,174&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTVk0MlNHV0lETlkxJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTk2MjUyMUJXTjJXMjdFWVdDMCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjU3OTk5MTRYS0lUS1FMQjVRMSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=>

Apologies for the link, I don't know how to reduce it.

Some time ago, did someone on this forum talk about a comprehensive line-up for LG tv's?  If it was someone on here could they repeat the source, please?

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 5 Dec 2021, at 15:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In article <61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531 at mx.google.com>,
>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a
>> Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43? I?ve always been a Sony fan, but
>> the bedroom set is a Samsung which is super. Some of the review comments
>> say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My small one does, but as I use
>> the large Sony set as a monitor, off the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m
>> not that bothered.
> 
> I doubt there is any set on the UK market without FreeView. Many have
> FreeSat too.
> 
> You'll be lucky to find any set that takes RGB (SCART) these days. Most
> are only HDMI and USB. 
> 
> I went for an LG OLED. Nice to have true blacks again. And a decent
> viewing angle.
> 
> I did had a large screen Samsung. Had to Google to find out how to get the
> picture out of 'killer in the shop' display mode to something reasonable.
> But even then not that good. Perhaps their latest Q-LED are better. It
> also failed in a big way just outside warranty. A new PS board from them
> uneconomic. Luckily, found a used board on Ebay.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  5 09:48:33 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 15:48:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <60DD9DA4-4328-4D81-8007-B223CB17CA7C@me.com>
References: <eaa2f758-4532-c2bf-e178-c8617ad7f20f@btinternet.com>
	<651FB2E9-83D0-4063-AF36-1688D9095368@mac.com>
	<61ac9620.1c69fb81.b4cc.b4e7@mx.google.com>
	<61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531@mx.google.com>
	<59961d3289davesound@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <8865ec61-278f-b322-fa5a-211de49d4829@btinternet.com>

Hopw you've better luck than me. Got one to still be able to use the old 
Topfield with SCART only. Didn't work so bought a different type again 
from Ebay. That didn't work either. I get the impression HDMI can be fussy.

On 05/12/2021 15:29, Alasdair Lawrance wrote:
> As ever, here's a RGB -> HDMI converter on Amazon.
>
>
> .https://www.amazon.co.uk/Component-Converter-SUNNATCH-Adapter-Xbox360/dp/B095CQHX55/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=YR5HVM2I5U1Z&keywords=rgb+to+hdmi+adapter&qid=1638717689&sprefix=RGB+to+,aps,174&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTVk0MlNHV0lETlkxJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTk2MjUyMUJXTjJXMjdFWVdDMCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjU3OTk5MTRYS0lUS1FMQjVRMSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU= 
> <https://www.amazon.co.uk/Component-Converter-SUNNATCH-Adapter-Xbox360/dp/B095CQHX55/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?crid=YR5HVM2I5U1Z&keywords=rgb+to+hdmi+adapter&qid=1638717689&sprefix=RGB+to+,aps,174&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyTVk0MlNHV0lETlkxJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMTk2MjUyMUJXTjJXMjdFWVdDMCZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjU3OTk5MTRYS0lUS1FMQjVRMSZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=>
>
> Apologies for the link, I don't know how to reduce it.
>
> Some time ago, did someone on this forum talk about a comprehensive 
> line-up for LG tv's? ?If it was someone on here could they repeat the 
> source, please?
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
> /
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 5 Dec 2021, at 15:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> In article <61acd13a.1c69fb81.1bbd0.e531 at mx.google.com>,
>> ??patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a
>>> Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43? I?ve always been a Sony fan, but
>>> the bedroom set is a Samsung which is super. Some of the review comments
>>> say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My small one does, but as I use
>>> the large Sony set as a monitor, off the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m
>>> not that bothered.
>>
>> I doubt there is any set on the UK market without FreeView. Many have
>> FreeSat too.
>>
>> You'll be lucky to find any set that takes RGB (SCART) these days. Most
>> are only HDMI and USB.
>>
>> I went for an LG OLED. Nice to have true blacks again. And a decent
>> viewing angle.
>>
>> I did had a large screen Samsung. Had to Google to find out how to 
>> get the
>> picture out of 'killer in the shop' display mode to something reasonable.
>> But even then not that good. Perhaps their latest Q-LED are better. It
>> also failed in a big way just outside warranty. A new PS board from them
>> uneconomic. Luckily, found a used board on Ebay.
>>
>> -- 
>> ???Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk ????London SW 12
>>
>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Dec  5 10:10:25 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:10:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <fe8307d9-c979-1f33-8024-169572ad360a@ntlworld.com>
References: <fe8307d9-c979-1f33-8024-169572ad360a@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <1DC72B5F-D466-4714-B881-8CC4B12E1C28@me.com>

My next TV might well be a monitor.  Smart TVs aren?t anywhere near as smart as they think they are. Dunning - Kruger effect comes to mind.

Many of the ?smart? features on my TV have ceased working or lost some degree of functionality. My TV now suffers from dementia.  With a computer, you can update the operating system or add new elements, but with my Sony Bravia, the only options are to perform a factory reset, check for updates or check that the network connection is working.  I?ve done all those without any improvement.

My take is that all I need is a good display, everything else can be done better and more reliably externally. The downside is that I don?t like having multiple remote controls. Programmable remotes don?t cope with every feature I regularly use on my current TV, even the remotes which are supposed to learn from your existing remote.

I?ve assumed for some years that new A/V gear will routinely offer the option of using apps for remote control, but the reality so far has been very disappointing.  For the most part the apps have been pretty useless and have a dreadful user interface.  Ideally I would like voice control from my phone while it?s still in my pocket.  I can already do that via HomeKit and a smart switch, ?Hey Siri, switch the radio on?.  It works reliably, but more nuanced controls would be preferable.

Alan Taylor



> On 5 Dec 2021, at 14:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Isn't a TV without Freeview a monitor?
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/12/2021 14:48, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43?
>> I?ve always been a Sony fan, but the bedroom set is a Samsung which is super.
>> Some of the review comments say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My small one does, but as I use the large Sony set as a monitor, off the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m not that bothered.
>> Best
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>  
>> From: patheigham
>> Sent: 05 December 2021 10:36
>> To: M E GILES; Tech Ops
>> Subject: RE: [Tech1] Amazon
>>  
>> BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered it, when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I was going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to know ? it wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an on-line booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it cost me ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Dec  5 10:19:36 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 16:19:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <EE0E1FB6-0D2F-4287-B3FF-F857A0F9766E@icloud.com>
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I agree with Graham and Dave?s endorsement of LG televisions.  A neighbour was unsure what to go for and I suggested an LG model.  I set it up for them and was very impressed with it.  

My experience of a Samsung hasn?t been very good.  The only TV I?ve had which packed up was a Samsung, every other TV I?ve had kept going and was replaced for other reasons. 

Does anybody have a Freesat box which records to an internal HD?  I?ve been thinking of getting the Freesat branded one, but one user review mentioned that recorded programmes get additional adverts added which can?t be skipped on replay.  Is that really true?

Alan Taylor

> On 5 Dec 2021, at 15:08, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Pat
> 
> Like you I?ve always been a Sony TV person but I recently bought an LG 55? and sound bar when it was on a very good offer at John Lewis and after taking advice from this and other forums.
> I have to say I?m incredibly impressed with both. The TV is an OLED model and the picture quality is amazing with the blacks being really black and the definition outstanding.
> Ultimately I suspect you get what you pay for but getting the free sound bar clinched it for me.
> The remote is also very easy and I believe you can use voice activation on it as well.
> If you so desire you can also have it display a framed work of art when not in use.
> John Lewis also include an extended warranty and whilst they no longer offer to match prices I think they offer a better all round service than Curry?s. IMHO.
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>>> On 5 Dec 2021, at 14:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43?
>> I?ve always been a Sony fan, but the bedroom set is a Samsung which is super.
>> Some of the review comments say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? My small one does, but as I use the large Sony set as a monitor, off the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m not that bothered.
>> Best
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>  
>> From: patheigham
>> Sent: 05 December 2021 10:36
>> To: M E GILES; Tech Ops
>> Subject: RE: [Tech1] Amazon
>>  
>> BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered it, when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I was going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to know ? it wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an on-line booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it cost me ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  	
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  5 11:14:35 2021
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 17:14:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <1DC72B5F-D466-4714-B881-8CC4B12E1C28@me.com>
References: <fe8307d9-c979-1f33-8024-169572ad360a@ntlworld.com>
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Phillips 42" TV: brilliant set; dreadful remote control. 2 years old. 
Just touch it for 0.2 secs instead of 0.1 secs and you get the 
double-digit channel.? As Alan says, aftermarket remotes don't do the 
job either.

Hugh

On 05/12/2021 16:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> My next TV might well be a monitor. ?Smart TVs aren?t anywhere near as 
> smart as they think they are. Dunning - Kruger effect comes to mind.
>
> Many of the ?smart? features on my TV have ceased working or lost some 
> degree of functionality. My TV now suffers from dementia. ?With a 
> computer, you can update the operating system or add new elements, but 
> with my Sony Bravia, the only options are to perform a factory reset, 
> check for updates or check that the network connection is working. 
> ?I?ve done all those without any improvement.
>
> My take is that all I need is a good display, everything else can be 
> done better and more reliably externally. The downside is that I don?t 
> like having multiple remote controls. Programmable remotes don?t cope 
> with every feature I regularly use on my current TV, even the remotes 
> which are supposed to learn from your existing remote.
>
> I?ve assumed for some years that new A/V gear will routinely offer the 
> option of using apps for remote control, but the reality so far has 
> been very disappointing. ?For the most part the apps have been pretty 
> useless and have a dreadful user interface. ?Ideally I would like 
> voice control from my phone while it?s still in my pocket. ?I can 
> already do that via HomeKit and a smart switch, ?Hey Siri, switch the 
> radio on?. ?It works reliably, but more nuanced controls would be 
> preferable.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>> On 5 Dec 2021, at 14:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? Isn't a TV without Freeview a monitor?
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 05/12/2021 14:48, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a 
>>> Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43?
>>>
>>> I?ve always been a Sony fan, but the bedroom set is a Samsung which 
>>> is super.
>>>
>>> Some of the review comments say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? 
>>> My small one does, but as I use the large Sony set as a monitor, off 
>>> the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m not that bothered.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>>> Windows
>>>
>>> *From: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
>>> *Sent: *05 December 2021 10:36
>>> *To: *M E GILES <mailto:mibridge at mac.com>; Tech Ops 
>>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> *Subject: *RE: [Tech1] Amazon
>>>
>>> BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered 
>>> it, when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I 
>>> was going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to 
>>> know ? it wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an 
>>> on-line booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it 
>>> cost me ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  5 12:00:15 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 18:00:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <6e71b37b-4960-21fd-8b58-90ccdb25faa5@btinternet.com>
References: <fe8307d9-c979-1f33-8024-169572ad360a@ntlworld.com>
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I have a 65? Panasonic Oled
Optical out to hifi.
Its brilliant.
Sky Q box remote works and has Vox command (unused)
Still need the Panny remote to access proper menu
The tele is a bit annoying, after 3 hrs it auto switches off?
Especially when watching Korean films during the good bit..



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  5 13:20:00 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:20:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
Message-ID: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>

What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a 
complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which were 
just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" speaker on the 
front panel with bass and treble controls, super picture and great 
sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear anything reasonable from 
these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K I hear. Cheers, Dave



From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Dec  5 13:32:27 2021
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:32:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <7C5BAFCD-63AA-4307-8C8B-C3D1F319772D@me.com>
References: <EE0E1FB6-0D2F-4287-B3FF-F857A0F9766E@icloud.com>
	<7C5BAFCD-63AA-4307-8C8B-C3D1F319772D@me.com>
Message-ID: <cb4a0108-a129-28cb-979b-73c013d37437@davesound.co.uk>

I've got two PVRs. Both Humax - one of which supplied by BT for BT TV. 
They are both smart with all the usual features, but the BT box IMHO has 
better software - but both allow you to skip ads. With the BT a quick 
press of the fast forward button skips it about half an ad break. Two 
presses covers most. Backwards skips it about 30 seconds. Some software 
allows you to set how much each skip is - forward and reverse. The BT 
box is unusual in that it is cable internet only. The Humax, Wi-Fi or 
cable. The Humax box can annoy in that the aerial cable feed through 
goes off in certain standby modes.


I really miss my old Topfield PVR. That allowed anyone to write software 
for it - and there was better than the makers standard available freely.

On 05/12/2021 16:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I agree with Graham and Dave?s endorsement of LG televisions. ?A 
> neighbour was unsure what to go for and I suggested an LG model. ?I 
> set it up for them and was very impressed with it.
>
> My experience of a Samsung hasn?t been very good. ?The only TV I?ve 
> had which packed up was a Samsung, every other TV I?ve had kept going 
> and was replaced for other reasons.
>
> Does anybody have a Freesat box which records to an internal HD? ?I?ve 
> been thinking of getting the Freesat branded one, but one user review 
> mentioned that recorded programmes get additional adverts added which 
> can?t be skipped on replay. ?Is that really true?
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 5 Dec 2021, at 15:08, Graham Maunder via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? Hi Pat
>>
>> Like you I?ve always been a Sony TV person but I recently bought an 
>> LG 55? and sound bar when it was on a very good offer at John Lewis 
>> and after taking advice from this and other forums.
>> I have to say I?m incredibly impressed with both. The TV is an OLED 
>> model and the picture quality is amazing with the blacks being really 
>> black and the definition outstanding.
>> Ultimately I suspect you get what you pay for but getting the free 
>> sound bar clinched it for me.
>> The remote is also very easy and I believe you can use voice 
>> activation on it as well.
>> If you so desire you can also have it display a framed work of art 
>> when not in use.
>> John Lewis also include an extended warranty and whilst they no 
>> longer offer to match prices I think they offer a better all round 
>> service than Curry?s. IMHO.
>>
>> Graham Maunder
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 5 Dec 2021, at 14:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Since I was considering a new TV, has anyone got advice regarding a 
>>> Samsung 43? against a Sony Bravia 43?
>>>
>>> I?ve always been a Sony fan, but the bedroom set is a Samsung which 
>>> is super.
>>>
>>> Some of the review comments say that Samsung?s don?t have Freeview? 
>>> My small one does, but as I use the large Sony set as a monitor, off 
>>> the DVD players, via RBG feeds, I?m not that bothered.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>>> Windows
>>>
>>> *From: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
>>> *Sent: *05 December 2021 10:36
>>> *To: *M E GILES <mailto:mibridge at mac.com>; Tech Ops 
>>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> *Subject: *RE: [Tech1] Amazon
>>>
>>> BT shop was offering a 55? Samsung TV at a good price, so ordered 
>>> it, when it arrived, I had not thought to put a tape measure where I 
>>> was going to put it, so decided to return it. DHL didn?t want to 
>>> know ? it wasn?t even unwrapped, but they said it was too big for an 
>>> on-line booked pick-up. Eventually Parcelforce collected it, but it 
>>> cost me ?60. Next time, Curry?s ?
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Dec  5 13:32:32 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:32:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Christmas stamps
Message-ID: <297c552c-af33-1957-71f5-2c45f954f6be@btinternet.com>

Does anyone know why this years stamps sold on a sheet have an 
additional 'QR' type attachment but the ones sold in the small booklets 
don't? Cheers, Dave



From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Dec  5 13:39:47 2021
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 19:39:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
In-Reply-To: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
References: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <06038a8f-0598-82c1-5d1f-a02353112d05@davesound.co.uk>

Always seemed silly to me that soundbars - mounted close to the TV set - 
are active. Since the set already has power amps. So extension speakers 
should be a cheaper option. Or offer the set with no internal speakers 
etc at all.

On 05/12/2021 19:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a 
> complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which 
> were just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" speaker 
> on the front panel with bass and treble controls, super picture and 
> great sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear anything 
> reasonable from these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K I hear. 
> Cheers, Dave
>
>


From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Dec  5 14:53:33 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 20:53:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV's
In-Reply-To: <a9c2a6ec-ff71-b662-505f-b2c7057827fe@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <a9c2a6ec-ff71-b662-505f-b2c7057827fe@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BEFA5CB7-38BE-4FC9-9D97-77997244F50E@me.com>

Thanks Dave, that?s the sort of thing I wanted to know.  The wording of the user review wasn?t too clear.

The lack of 4oD is apparently something to do with Ch4 not paying a licensing fee to  Freesat.  The 4oD player is absent from other platforms too.

I?d prefer a Freesat PVR which recorded to my NAS instead of an integral hard drive. While there do seem some devices which will record onto NAS, they have certain  disadvantages too. I?ve now come to the conclusion that there are hardly any programmes these days which I would want to archive for the long term.

Alan Taylor

> On 5 Dec 2021, at 20:34, David Hunter <the_slad at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> On 05/12/2021 16:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I agree with Graham and Dave?s endorsement of LG televisions.  A neighbour was unsure what to go for and I suggested an LG model.  I set it up for them and was very impressed with it.  
>> 
>> My experience of a Samsung hasn?t been very good.  The only TV I?ve had which packed up was a Samsung, every other TV I?ve had kept going and was replaced for other reasons. 
>> 
>> Does anybody have a Freesat box which records to an internal HD?  I?ve been thinking of getting the Freesat branded one, but one user review mentioned that recorded programmes get additional adverts added which can?t be skipped on replay.  Is that really true?
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
> Recently bought the Freesat branded PVR, which works fine allowing for the usual "finding your way around the new machine" hicups.  You can fast forward through the recorded adverts, but it doesn't have the "jump forward two minutes" button that the Humax had.  Have yet to try the "record 4 channels at the same time" feature because it's been too cold and wet to fit the new wideband LNB to my dish.  Note that the On Demand catch up channels don't include All Four at the moment.
> 
> Dave Hunter
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 15:14:03 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 21:14:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
In-Reply-To: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
References: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <98ba7cb3-6746-bcfc-dfc0-8afa8ff15815@gmail.com>

These days I mostly watch television on this computer.? I have two 
screens, a DVB USB stick for Freeview, a good sound system, Netflix 
courtesy of my son, and access to iPlayer, 4oD, and all those other 
catchup services. Sichbo PVR is the Freeview software. I can watch tv, 
or catchup, on one screen whilst writing emails like this one on the 
other. All much better than some smart tv.

B



On 05/12/2021 19:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a 
> complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which 
> were just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" speaker 
> on the front panel with bass and treble controls, super picture and 
> great sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear anything 
> reasonable from these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K I hear. 
> Cheers, Dave
>
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From jes1944 at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 19:20:41 2021
From: jes1944 at gmail.com (John Smith)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 01:20:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?b?VFbigJlz?=
Message-ID: <1805A230-7C4E-44AC-8A98-04FB4FB2F3DD@gmail.com>

Tomorrow morning British Heart Foundation are coming to take away my Panasonic 50? HD plasma tv purchased in 2013 and still in excellent order.
But in July 2020 I decided a 4k OLED was the way to go. So I bought for about ?1900 an end of line 2019 model LG 65 E9. This was the model with a much better sound system than the standard C9.
This is good for casual listening but I needed to improve my AV amplifier for Dolby Atmos so I bought for ?1000 lower than list price an end of line Denon AVC-X6500H with 11 powered channels and two sub-woofer outputs.
Connected to this are a Sky 2TB box for 4k UHD. Apple TV 4K which gives me Apple TV+, Netflix, Amazon Prime TV and lots of other channels. A Sony 1100ES 4k blu-ray player which also plays my SACD music.
I got the blu-ray player cheap as Sony were throwing in a free player if you bought a home cinema laser projector, and some purchasers sold off the free blu-ray players on eBay at very reasonable prices.
Everything is connected by wired Ethernet to Virgin 220mbps broadband so no dropouts. I also recently bought a Bluesound 2021 node for music streaming, Spotify and Tidal and from my NAS. Yes I know I can get Spotify and Tidal from the Apple TV box, but I would have to have the tv screen on.
As for loudspeakers I bought many years ago a pair of Mission 753 floorstanding speakers, from the days when Mission made good speakers, which in black finish are unobtrusive. I now have six of them for the front channels, sides and rears. I also have the matching Mission 75c centre channel and two 75AS sub-woofers.
For the Dolby Atmos height channels I bought four PSB upward firing loudspeakers which sit neatly on the top of the front and rear Mission 753?s. Fitting ceiling speakers would have been a step too far for my wife. So a total of thirteen loudspeakers.
I also replaced all the light bulbs in the room with Phillips Hue Colour bulbs so I can control their brightness and colour from the iPad I am writing this email on. I can also control the Denon amp and Bluesound streamer from the iPad.
I have the Phillips Ambilight system that lights up the wall behind the tv with colours matching what is on screen. This works well for some programmes and films.
It is also the reason I needed an external Apple TV box rather than use the app. built into the LG tv.
Well it was something to do, and kept me busy through lockdown and the end results are I think quite good.
John Smith



 

Sent from my iPad

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 04:26:17 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 10:26:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Modern TVs
In-Reply-To: <486175C4-56E7-4909-A1B5-F6E66DB384CF@sky.com>
References: <486175C4-56E7-4909-A1B5-F6E66DB384CF@sky.com>
Message-ID: <5c9a15db-eedb-4cf1-e717-b7df51306a14@gmail.com>




-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Tech1] Modern TVs
Date: 	Sun, 5 Dec 2021 22:15:38 +0000
From: 	B Wilkinson <barry-wilkinson at sky.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



Or you could watch TV properly on a 65 inch OLED with proper sound from 
6 loudspeakers ( not a compromise sound bar) and simultaneously catch up 
on emails on your iPad like wot I am doing now!?.Just saying ,although I 
would rather just watch the TV. I am surprised so many of you ex BBC 
engineers/ operators seem not to be interested in picture and sound 
quality. I am constantly amazed at the quality of images and audio being 
produced currently.
I grew up watching a Philips projection tv that glowed blue inside and 
as we had the only tv in the street all the kids came round to watch the 
Coronation ( Elizabeth not Victoria!) ?I just love ( decent) movies .

Sent from my iPad

> On 5 Dec 2021, at 21:35, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ? These days I mostly watch television on this computer.? I have two 
> screens, a DVB USB stick for Freeview, a good sound system, Netflix 
> courtesy of my son, and access to iPlayer, 4oD, and all those other 
> catchup services. Sichbo PVR is the Freeview software. I can watch tv, 
> or catchup, on one screen whilst writing emails like this one on the 
> other. All much better than some smart tv.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 05/12/2021 19:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a 
>> complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which 
>> were just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" 
>> speaker on the front panel with bass and treble controls, super 
>> picture and great sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear 
>> anything reasonable from these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K 
>> I hear. Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
>
> -- 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 04:36:54 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 10:36:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
Message-ID: <0acbcdc5-9834-b4aa-6e80-11259c391e00@gmail.com>

Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this 
expensive technology.?? A good hobby, maybe.

I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first 
lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors 
or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and 
it's gone." ?? Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off VHS copy of 
the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet.? It was a very bad 
third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal.? Did my young son and I 
watch it?? Of course we did.

B
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  6 05:07:00 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 11:07:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LG OLED Television.
Message-ID: <9bcde08c-943b-56ad-b124-27a5997a8314@btinternet.com>

Since a few here have these, mine has an odd fault.

The EPG should have an arrow between the channel name and programme list 
- which takes you backwards to earlier for catch-up. Sometimes the arrow 
is present, sometimes not? (applies to all the EPG). And sods law says 
it is never there when I want to use that facility. Makes no difference 
how long the set has been on. Of course I can go to i-player etc to do 
what I want - but a lot more long winded. This set has facilities galore 
I'll likely never use - but one I do use intermittent.

I've had it a few months and the software has been updated twice.

It's not a funny with the transmitted EPG, as my Humax PVR always works 
for this.

I've Googled, but not found an answer, or anyone else reporting this 
fault. But may not be asking the right question.

Other thing that annoyed with such an expensive set was it coming with 
only a wall mounting. Which I didn't want - and isn't practical here 
anyway. Had to pay extra for a normal stand.



From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Dec  6 06:39:50 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:39:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Women's Sport on BBC
Message-ID: <FE178153-1B02-47A4-86D6-022C13764CA2@vincent68.plus.com>

Been enjoying the womens sport on BBC the last few weeks. The FA cup final yesterday (cue Pats rant about football hooligans) to a 50,000 crowd at Wembley. The Women?s Barbarians at Twickenham last week to a 40,000 crowd.

Well done BBC for boosting interest.

I?ve also been impressed by some of the female presenters, commentators and pundits.

Move over Gary Lineker who now thinks he?s a quiz show host. Apparently its dread full! Did he not learn anything from Gordon Ramseys debacle. Its not just about turning up and asking questions. 

It baffles me how Gary Lineker gets special treatment by the BBC. Doing his Walkers crisp adverts for example.

I remember when dear old John Noakes left the BBC he was allowed to keep Shep but not allowed to use him to make a few bob advertising dog food. A lookalike called Skip was used.

John V
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Mon Dec  6 08:09:53 2021
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 14:09:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
In-Reply-To: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
References: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <598d108b-ce37-f5a6-f926-5d1d68765070@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Many years ago (ditto,ditto) you could buy a "Telefi" and dangle a wire 
down the back of your tele to receive the sound I.F. The Telefi would 
then plug into an Aux input on your HiFi system, a step towards the 
Sound-bar.

This all went out of the window when transistors arrived and lowered the 
'spillage' of the signals from the circuitry.

Way back it seemed to me that all televisions seem to cost 48gns



Hibou.



On 05/12/2021 19:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a 
> complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which 
> were just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" speaker 
> on the front panel with bass and treble controls, super picture and 
> great sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear anything 
> reasonable from these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K I hear. 
> Cheers, Dave
>
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Dec  6 08:29:30 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 14:29:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
In-Reply-To: <598d108b-ce37-f5a6-f926-5d1d68765070@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
	<598d108b-ce37-f5a6-f926-5d1d68765070@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C49FE909-C53C-4C78-8278-7BBF215D3C23@me.com>

John - 

Some of us still have a Telefi, (made by Celestion) in the loft somewhere....!

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 6 Dec 2021, at 14:09, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Many years ago (ditto,ditto) you could buy a "Telefi" and dangle a wire down the back of your tele to receive the sound I.F. The Telefi would then plug into an Aux input on your HiFi system, a step towards the Sound-bar.
> 
> This all went out of the window when transistors arrived and lowered the 'spillage' of the signals from the circuitry.
> 
> Way back it seemed to me that all televisions seem to cost 48gns
> 
> 
> 
> Hibou.
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/12/2021 19:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which were just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" speaker on the front panel with bass and treble controls, super picture and great sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear anything reasonable from these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K I hear. Cheers, Dave 
>> 
>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  6 08:30:24 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 14:30:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
In-Reply-To: <598d108b-ce37-f5a6-f926-5d1d68765070@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
	<598d108b-ce37-f5a6-f926-5d1d68765070@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <618a6241-315c-1251-ef97-c3743c25bfa6@btinternet.com>

Remember John Hartshorn? And Harry Bradley? They were part of a 
consortium who designed and built colour TVs in the very early days of 
colour. IIRC, John Ford bought one and kept it for ages.

They modified my Philps G6. Added a buffer amp and repcoil? (to isolate 
the live chassis) to give an audio out. Before things like the Telfi 
arrived. So I've had decent TV sound pretty well from when BBC1 went colour.

Think it was more the arrival of the VCR, when it was realised you could 
be better results connecting it directly to the TV rather than through 
the aerial socket that gave us line connections to the TV.

On 06/12/2021 14:09, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Many years ago (ditto,ditto) you could buy a "Telefi" and dangle a 
> wire down the back of your tele to receive the sound I.F. The Telefi 
> would then plug into an Aux input on your HiFi system, a step towards 
> the Sound-bar.
>
> This all went out of the window when transistors arrived and lowered 
> the 'spillage' of the signals from the circuitry.
>
> Way back it seemed to me that all televisions seem to cost 48gns
>
>
>
> Hibou.
>
>
>
> On 05/12/2021 19:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a 
>> complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which 
>> were just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" 
>> speaker on the front panel with bass and treble controls, super 
>> picture and great sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear 
>> anything reasonable from these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K 
>> I hear. Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
>
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 09:30:35 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 15:30:35 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Non-apple battery replacement in an iPhone
Message-ID: <014901d7eab6$37b00930$a7101b90$@gmail.com>

I have an old iPhone 6s Plus that?s down to 78% battery health and want to replace the battery before I give it to a friend, having taken the plunge and got myself an iPhone 13 Pro-max.

 

After the cautionary tale recently about the perils of getting a non-Apple screen fitted to an iPad, I?m wondering if any of you have had an iPhone battery successfully replaced at an independent shop, as my son tells me it would be cheaper than getting it done at an Apple store and it?s an old phone anyway?

 

Geoff (pleased with myself today as I remembered to change the From address to one that gets through the filter so as not to madden Bernie?)

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Dec  6 10:07:22 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 16:07:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Non-apple battery replacement in an iPhone
In-Reply-To: <014901d7eab6$37b00930$a7101b90$@gmail.com>
References: <014901d7eab6$37b00930$a7101b90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F07CBC9C-D3CB-49D3-A7DD-83A7E7B0F984@me.com>

Have you checked how much Apple charges to replace that battery?  My son got them to change a battery and it was surprisingly cheap. It was changed in the store and he was told to return in an hour.  They texted his wife to say it was ready for collection less than 30 mins later.

If you?re handy with a jeweller?s screwdriver, you might like to try changing it yourself.  I don?t know what?s involved with doing it on an iPhone6, but you should be able to find YouTube videos showing what?s involved and then decide if you?re up for that sort of task.  You can buy kits on eBay with a replacement battery and any unusual tools needed to change it. 

If you go down that route, get a kit with a genuine Apple battery.  I know somebody who bought a kit for a different phone and the wrong third party battery was sent. The model that battery was intended for had the opposite polarity on the connector and wrecked his phone when it was connected.  It wouldn?t have physically fitted in the case either.  If the kit has a genuine Apple battery, the part number should match what is already in your phone.

Alan Taylor

> On 6 Dec 2021, at 15:31, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an old iPhone 6s Plus that?s down to 78% battery health and want to replace the battery before I give it to a friend, having taken the plunge and got myself an iPhone 13 Pro-max.
>  
> After the cautionary tale recently about the perils of getting a non-Apple screen fitted to an iPad, I?m wondering if any of you have had an iPhone battery successfully replaced at an independent shop, as my son tells me it would be cheaper than getting it done at an Apple store and it?s an old phone anyway?
>  
> Geoff (pleased with myself today as I remembered to change the From address to one that gets through the filter so as not to madden Bernie?)
>  
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From colin at colinhassell.com  Mon Dec  6 11:09:54 2021
From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:09:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
In-Reply-To: <C49FE909-C53C-4C78-8278-7BBF215D3C23@me.com>
References: <4fde53ae-2927-dbb8-9405-20769e18fe48@btinternet.com>
	<598d108b-ce37-f5a6-f926-5d1d68765070@howell61.f9.co.uk>
	<C49FE909-C53C-4C78-8278-7BBF215D3C23@me.com>
Message-ID: <A98B2122-DD40-4611-AAD7-FB4B90DB9620@colinhassell.com>

My Telefi came out of the loft and went to the tip, only last month.


Colin Hassell

colin at colinhassell.com <mailto:colin at colinhassell.com>
+44-(0)7973-802722
St Albans, Herts, UK

> On 6 Dec 2021, at 14:29, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> John - 
> 
> Some of us still have a Telefi, (made by Celestion) in the loft somewhere....!
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 14:09, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Many years ago (ditto,ditto) you could buy a "Telefi" and dangle a wire down the back of your tele to receive the sound I.F. The Telefi would then plug into an Aux input on your HiFi system, a step towards the Sound-bar.
>> 
>> This all went out of the window when transistors arrived and lowered the 'spillage' of the signals from the circuitry.
>> 
>> Way back it seemed to me that all televisions seem to cost 48gns
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hibou.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/12/2021 19:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>> What a con! Many years ago (yawn, yawn) you bought a TV which was a complete item with loudspeakers built in to a wooden cabinet which were just right for the job. My best 26" Tandberg had an 8"x5" speaker on the front panel with bass and treble controls, super picture and great sound. Now you have to buy a sound-bar to hear anything reasonable from these enormous screens - 55" minimum for 4K I hear. Cheers, Dave 
>>> 
>>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Dec  6 11:14:03 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:14:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Non-apple battery replacement in an iPhone
In-Reply-To: <F07CBC9C-D3CB-49D3-A7DD-83A7E7B0F984@me.com>
References: <F07CBC9C-D3CB-49D3-A7DD-83A7E7B0F984@me.com>
Message-ID: <871D55ED-1FE8-4530-937F-25895F3970D8@zero51.force9.co.uk>

My IPhone 8+ cost ?49 for a battery change at Lakeside Apple shop about 3 weeks ago. It took a couple of hours plus an extra half hour ?because the sticky pads holding the battery were proving a bit difficult to release? Clearly they didn?t spend the whole two and half hours battling with it. Probably started 10 minutes before I was due back!
 You book online via ?Support? from a schedule of times approx ten minutes apart. There might have been some the same day but most were a day or two ahead. On arrival, a bit of a queue despite the booked slot. They gave the phone an electronic check and told me when to come back presumably  based more on the ?weight of traffic? than the complexity of the job (not very, unless it?s stuck!). It works out ok as long as you are intending to make it part of a general shopping trip!
The 6, 7 and 8s are ?49 and the newer ones are ?68. Definitely worth it if you are planning to travel with all the tests, certificates and passenger locator forms to manage. Thankfully using paper is not yet banned for ecological reasons?

Peter Fox

On 6 Dec 2021, at 16:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Have you checked how much Apple charges to replace that battery?  My son got them to change a battery and it was surprisingly cheap. It was changed in the store and he was told to return in an hour.  They texted his wife to say it was ready for collection less than 30 mins later.

If you?re handy with a jeweller?s screwdriver, you might like to try changing it yourself.  I don?t know what?s involved with doing it on an iPhone6, but you should be able to find YouTube videos showing what?s involved and then decide if you?re up for that sort of task.  You can buy kits on eBay with a replacement battery and any unusual tools needed to change it. 

If you go down that route, get a kit with a genuine Apple battery.  I know somebody who bought a kit for a different phone and the wrong third party battery was sent. The model that battery was intended for had the opposite polarity on the connector and wrecked his phone when it was connected.  It wouldn?t have physically fitted in the case either.  If the kit has a genuine Apple battery, the part number should match what is already in your phone.

Alan Taylor

> On 6 Dec 2021, at 15:31, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have an old iPhone 6s Plus that?s down to 78% battery health and want to replace the battery before I give it to a friend, having taken the plunge and got myself an iPhone 13 Pro-max.
>  
> After the cautionary tale recently about the perils of getting a non-Apple screen fitted to an iPad, I?m wondering if any of you have had an iPhone battery successfully replaced at an independent shop, as my son tells me it would be cheaper than getting it done at an Apple store and it?s an old phone anyway?
>  
> Geoff (pleased with myself today as I remembered to change the From address to one that gets through the filter so as not to madden Bernie?)
>  
> -- 
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From stevewlowry at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  6 11:34:36 2021
From: stevewlowry at hotmail.com (Steve Lowry)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:34:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Non-apple battery replacement in an iPhone
In-Reply-To: <871D55ED-1FE8-4530-937F-25895F3970D8@zero51.force9.co.uk>
References: <F07CBC9C-D3CB-49D3-A7DD-83A7E7B0F984@me.com>
	<871D55ED-1FE8-4530-937F-25895F3970D8@zero51.force9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB7PR08MB38179E5C8010F30D8F6A7CBDB66D9@DB7PR08MB3817.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

When Apple were offering a special price for iPhone battery replacements, a couple of years back, I took my iPhone 6 to them for a battery replacement as it was failing.

In-store they apologised that, as the battery was bulging, they would not be able to safely change the battery for me BUT ?would I mind if they gave me a complete new iPhone 6? for a total cost of ?25? Yes, the same price that they were charging for a battery replacement at the time - ?25!

I, of course, accepted this offer. A new (not-refurbished) iPhone 6, with its fresh & un-used new battery within, for ?25 and, after restoring my previous iPhone 6?s content from a backup I had made just prior to the Apple Store visit, (everyone should do a backup before taking their existing phone in for repair, of course), I was a very happy new iPhone 6 owner (still am) once more. Thank you, Apple.

Apple keep a stock of their older models for just such a case for quite a few years, although not indefinitely, but well after they would be selling such an older models ?over their counter?.

This, I believe, is why the Apple price for battery replacements may be more than quoted ?elsewhere??

Just a thought, all the best,

Steve

On 6 Dec 2021, at 17:14, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? My IPhone 8+ cost ?49 for a battery change at Lakeside Apple shop about 3 weeks ago. It took a couple of hours plus an extra half hour ?because the sticky pads holding the battery were proving a bit difficult to release? Clearly they didn?t spend the whole two and half hours battling with it. Probably started 10 minutes before I was due back!
 You book online via ?Support? from a schedule of times approx ten minutes apart. There might have been some the same day but most were a day or two ahead. On arrival, a bit of a queue despite the booked slot. They gave the phone an electronic check and told me when to come back presumably  based more on the ?weight of traffic? than the complexity of the job (not very, unless it?s stuck!). It works out ok as long as you are intending to make it part of a general shopping trip!
The 6, 7 and 8s are ?49 and the newer ones are ?68. Definitely worth it if you are planning to travel with all the tests, certificates and passenger locator forms to manage. Thankfully using paper is not yet banned for ecological reasons?

Peter Fox

On 6 Dec 2021, at 16:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Have you checked how much Apple charges to replace that battery?  My son got them to change a battery and it was surprisingly cheap. It was changed in the store and he was told to return in an hour.  They texted his wife to say it was ready for collection less than 30 mins later.

If you?re handy with a jeweller?s screwdriver, you might like to try changing it yourself.  I don?t know what?s involved with doing it on an iPhone6, but you should be able to find YouTube videos showing what?s involved and then decide if you?re up for that sort of task.  You can buy kits on eBay with a replacement battery and any unusual tools needed to change it.

If you go down that route, get a kit with a genuine Apple battery.  I know somebody who bought a kit for a different phone and the wrong third party battery was sent. The model that battery was intended for had the opposite polarity on the connector and wrecked his phone when it was connected.  It wouldn?t have physically fitted in the case either.  If the kit has a genuine Apple battery, the part number should match what is already in your phone.

Alan Taylor

On 6 Dec 2021, at 15:31, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I have an old iPhone 6s Plus that?s down to 78% battery health and want to replace the battery before I give it to a friend, having taken the plunge and got myself an iPhone 13 Pro-max.

After the cautionary tale recently about the perils of getting a non-Apple screen fitted to an iPad, I?m wondering if any of you have had an iPhone battery successfully replaced at an independent shop, as my son tells me it would be cheaper than getting it done at an Apple store and it?s an old phone anyway?

Geoff (pleased with myself today as I remembered to change the From address to one that gets through the filter so as not to madden Bernie?)

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Dec  6 11:45:12 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:45:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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> On 6 Dec 2021, at 14:10, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Way back it seemed to me that all televisions seem to cost 48gns

Ever since the days of Baird, it has been possible to buy a television set for around ?75. It was absolutely true until very recently, but the cheapest I spotted from a quick glance at Argos was ?99, so allowing for inflation, it?s not far off.

When I was a teenager I made a direct line level output from the family TV set by wiring a phono plug to the top and bottom terminals on the volume control.  It allowed me to made good quality ?? tape recordings of TV shows. 

Alan Taylor

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Dec  6 11:48:52 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 17:48:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Christmas stamps
Message-ID: <7450ecbd-74c7-69bb-e797-1841638d8403@btinternet.com>

Does anyone know why the stamps sold on a sheet have an extra addition 
rather like a long, thin, QR code, but the ones sold by the book don't? 
Cheers, Dave



From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 12:53:04 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 18:53:04 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Women's Sport on BBC
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We watched that quiz show, Sitting On A Fortune on ITV for the first time yesterday as we didn?t fancy what else was on at that time. It struck me as a cheap version on Millionaire without the constant music or wit from JC and a bit wall-paperish and pedestrian (literally as the contestants keep moving about).

Gary Lineker does a workmanlike job as the quiz-inquisitor (if you remember that line from the introduction to Take Your Pick with Michael Miles and Bob Danvers Walker in the fifties?) but in my opinion he was no better than anyone else off the street with an ounce of charm and the ability to read could?ve been. My wife?s comment was to ask why he felt the need to do it when he?s one of the highest paid presenters at the BBC, but the same could be said of the dark-haired fringe-worthy highly-paid female on prime-time BBC1 who does those excruciating ads for shampoo. The lure of financial reward is no doubt strong but it seems a bit demeaning to me - and who was the presenter I admired for famously declaring that he or she wouldn?t do it a few years ago?

 

Good old Noakes and Shep, well remembered and much missed. I think they both deserved being immortalised with busts by Tim in the BP garden along with Petra. I still have a pencil sketch of his dog cartoon character, Bengo that he did for me on the back of a camera card at an end of series party in the Blue Peter Garden and wonder if it might be worth something one day, though I expect there?s lots of them around,

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1
Sent: 06 December 2021 12:40
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Women's Sport on BBC

 

Been enjoying the womens sport on BBC the last few weeks. The FA cup final yesterday (cue Pats rant about football hooligans) to a 50,000 crowd at Wembley. The Women?s Barbarians at Twickenham last week to a 40,000 crowd.

 

Well done BBC for boosting interest.

 

I?ve also been impressed by some of the female presenters, commentators and pundits.

 

Move over Gary Lineker who now thinks he?s a quiz show host. Apparently its dread full! Did he not learn anything from Gordon Ramseys debacle. Its not just about turning up and asking questions. 

 

It baffles me how Gary Lineker gets special treatment by the BBC. Doing his Walkers crisp adverts for example.

 

I remember when dear old John Noakes left the BBC he was allowed to keep Shep but not allowed to use him to make a few bob advertising dog food. A lookalike called Skip was used.

 

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  6 14:50:38 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 20:50:38 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] iPad update to 15.1 - accept it with caution
Message-ID: <002c01d7eae2$ecdc0670$c6941350$@gmail.com>

I've just updated the iOS on my iPad to 15.1, having seen the usual flag
saying that an update was available and unusually been given a choice on
whether to go for it or stick with the previous 14.n that it had installed
automatically a few minutes before.

 

When it was done, I did a double take and short intake of breath as the
splash screen came up with "hello" as though it was new and instructions on
how to finish setting it up, including a three month trial of their various
offerings. I thought, "That'll teach me not to do a back-up before
installing, but to my relief nothing of mine had been lost. The Home screen
does look quite different however with some of the widgets enlarged at the
top of page 1 and I have yet to work out why.

It seems another shining example of how the crisp-eating nerdy developers
just can't leave well alone and have to keep coming up with "improved"
versions of the wheel, or telling Leonardo and the gallery they can improve
on the Mona Lisa by widening her smile by another mm or two each side or by
changing her hair to blonde and making her eye colour blue,

 

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Dec  6 17:20:41 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2021 23:20:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] iPad update to 15.1 - accept it with caution
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Same here, but don?t worry, you can get rid of those big widgets and make it just how you want it.
iOS 15.1 is more customisable than ever before, but apart from that It does seem to be an upgrade for no good reason though.  I always do an iTunes backup and sync first.
One of my favourite and most used apps is ?Docs to Go? for Windows or Mac. Put all your most used files, accounts stuff, etc., into a Docs to Go folder on your desktop and sync direct to iPad, bypassing iTunes, iCloud, etc. Indispensible.
BTW, I think it unlikely that Apple make their own iDevice batteries. We have a Polish guy here in Guildford who does repairs while you wait, totally reliably. It can be done, but even I wouldn?t go the DIY route. If for no other reason, because it voids your supplier guarantee if applicable.
Cheers,
Nick.
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On 6 Dec 2021, at 20:51, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?ve just updated the iOS on my iPad to 15.1, having seen the usual flag saying that an update was available and unusually been given a choice on whether to go for it or stick with the previous 14.n that it had installed automatically a few minutes before.

When it was done, I did a double take and short intake of breath as the splash screen came up with ?hello? as though it was new and instructions on how to finish setting it up, including a three month trial of their various offerings. I thought, ?That?ll teach me not to do a back-up before installing, but to my relief nothing of mine had been lost. The Home screen does look quite different however with some of the widgets enlarged at the top of page 1 and I have yet to work out why.
It seems another shining example of how the crisp-eating nerdy developers just can?t leave well alone and have to keep coming up with ?improved? versions of the wheel, or telling Leonardo and the gallery they can improve on the Mona Lisa by widening her smile by another mm or two each side or by changing her hair to blonde and making her eye colour blue,

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec  7 03:49:17 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 09:49:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Women's Sport on BBC
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BBC contracts don?t let presenters do adverts which reprise what they do on BBC shows.

Gary Lineker advertises crisps without making any reference to his role presenting sports programmes and although his face is recognisable, there is no other link, so he gets away with it.

John Noakes not being allowed to appear with Shep elsewhere was a bit of an oddity.  Shep lived with Noakes, but was owned by the BBC. When Noakes left Blue Peter, he was allowed to continue having Shep living with him, but the BBC retained ownership of Shep, therefore they could prevent Shep appearing anywhere else. 

Percy Thrower got the boot from Gardener?s World because he was always advocating using a good general purpose fertiliser on the show, but then popped up on adverts promoting fertiliser from ICI. 

Craig Revel Horwood has recently got into hot water by using his SCD catchphrase in an advert. The shampoo advert with Claudia Winklemen doesn?t reference SCD, so she gets away with it.

As for why they do it, the money for appearing in adverts can be pronominal.  No matter how rich you are, the prospect of getting squillions of pounds for a day?s work can be tempting, especially if you consider repeat fees.

When I worked with Miriam Margolyes in the 1980s, she told me how much she earned per year from doing voice overs for adverts. It was an astonishing amount. She was famous for voicing adverts very rapidly, providing clients with what they asked for, together with variants which were usually even better than they imagined possible. The fee for a one hour voice session was modest, the repeat fees were what made the work so lucrative.

Alan Taylor


> On 6 Dec 2021, at 18:53, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> We watched that quiz show, Sitting On A Fortune on ITV for the first time yesterday as we didn?t fancy what else was on at that time. It struck me as a cheap version on Millionaire without the constant music or wit from JC and a bit wall-paperish and pedestrian (literally as the contestants keep moving about).
> Gary Lineker does a workmanlike job as the quiz-inquisitor (if you remember that line from the introduction to Take Your Pick with Michael Miles and Bob Danvers Walker in the fifties?) but in my opinion he was no better than anyone else off the street with an ounce of charm and the ability to read could?ve been. My wife?s comment was to ask why he felt the need to do it when he?s one of the highest paid presenters at the BBC, but the same could be said of the dark-haired fringe-worthy highly-paid female on prime-time BBC1 who does those excruciating ads for shampoo. The lure of financial reward is no doubt strong but it seems a bit demeaning to me - and who was the presenter I admired for famously declaring that he or she wouldn?t do it a few years ago?
>  
> Good old Noakes and Shep, well remembered and much missed. I think they both deserved being immortalised with busts by Tim in the BP garden along with Petra. I still have a pencil sketch of his dog cartoon character, Bengo that he did for me on the back of a camera card at an end of series party in the Blue Peter Garden and wonder if it might be worth something one day, though I expect there?s lots of them around,
>  
> Geoff
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1
> Sent: 06 December 2021 12:40
> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Women's Sport on BBC
>  
> Been enjoying the womens sport on BBC the last few weeks. The FA cup final yesterday (cue Pats rant about football hooligans) to a 50,000 crowd at Wembley. The Women?s Barbarians at Twickenham last week to a 40,000 crowd.
>  
> Well done BBC for boosting interest.
>  
> I?ve also been impressed by some of the female presenters, commentators and pundits.
>  
> Move over Gary Lineker who now thinks he?s a quiz show host. Apparently its dread full! Did he not learn anything from Gordon Ramseys debacle. Its not just about turning up and asking questions. 
>  
> It baffles me how Gary Lineker gets special treatment by the BBC. Doing his Walkers crisp adverts for example.
>  
> I remember when dear old John Noakes left the BBC he was allowed to keep Shep but not allowed to use him to make a few bob advertising dog food. A lookalike called Skip was used.
>  
> John V
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 04:32:36 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 10:32:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Women's Sport on BBC
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I think it was the great Cliff Michelmore who declined to do advertising as he felt it would compromise his reputation as a journalist and I admired him for it.
I?m sure it is a highly lucrative thing to do and a temptation that?s hard to resist but it still grates to see them doing it as if what they already have isn?t enough, when so many people in the world live on the breadline or below.
It could be that some of those celebrities modestly make big donations to charity or help people they know who are in need without saying, ?Hey, look at me? as they do.
But I can hear the whisper of ?Judge not that ye be not judged,? in my ear as I write, so enough said,
Geoff

> On 7 Dec 2021, at 09:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> BBC contracts don?t let presenters do adverts which reprise what they do on BBC shows.
> 
> Gary Lineker advertises crisps without making any reference to his role presenting sports programmes and although his face is recognisable, there is no other link, so he gets away with it.
> 
> John Noakes not being allowed to appear with Shep elsewhere was a bit of an oddity.  Shep lived with Noakes, but was owned by the BBC. When Noakes left Blue Peter, he was allowed to continue having Shep living with him, but the BBC retained ownership of Shep, therefore they could prevent Shep appearing anywhere else. 
> 
> Percy Thrower got the boot from Gardener?s World because he was always advocating using a good general purpose fertiliser on the show, but then popped up on adverts promoting fertiliser from ICI. 
> 
> Craig Revel Horwood has recently got into hot water by using his SCD catchphrase in an advert. The shampoo advert with Claudia Winklemen doesn?t reference SCD, so she gets away with it.
> 
> As for why they do it, the money for appearing in adverts can be pronominal.  No matter how rich you are, the prospect of getting squillions of pounds for a day?s work can be tempting, especially if you consider repeat fees.
> 
> When I worked with Miriam Margolyes in the 1980s, she told me how much she earned per year from doing voice overs for adverts. It was an astonishing amount. She was famous for voicing adverts very rapidly, providing clients with what they asked for, together with variants which were usually even better than they imagined possible. The fee for a one hour voice session was modest, the repeat fees were what made the work so lucrative.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 18:53, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> We watched that quiz show, Sitting On A Fortune on ITV for the first time yesterday as we didn?t fancy what else was on at that time. It struck me as a cheap version on Millionaire without the constant music or wit from JC and a bit wall-paperish and pedestrian (literally as the contestants keep moving about).
>> Gary Lineker does a workmanlike job as the quiz-inquisitor (if you remember that line from the introduction to Take Your Pick with Michael Miles and Bob Danvers Walker in the fifties?) but in my opinion he was no better than anyone else off the street with an ounce of charm and the ability to read could?ve been. My wife?s comment was to ask why he felt the need to do it when he?s one of the highest paid presenters at the BBC, but the same could be said of the dark-haired fringe-worthy highly-paid female on prime-time BBC1 who does those excruciating ads for shampoo. The lure of financial reward is no doubt strong but it seems a bit demeaning to me - and who was the presenter I admired for famously declaring that he or she wouldn?t do it a few years ago?
>>  
>> Good old Noakes and Shep, well remembered and much missed. I think they both deserved being immortalised with busts by Tim in the BP garden along with Petra. I still have a pencil sketch of his dog cartoon character, Bengo that he did for me on the back of a camera card at an end of series party in the Blue Peter Garden and wonder if it might be worth something one day, though I expect there?s lots of them around,
>>  
>> Geoff
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of crew13 via Tech1
>> Sent: 06 December 2021 12:40
>> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] Women's Sport on BBC
>>  
>> Been enjoying the womens sport on BBC the last few weeks. The FA cup final yesterday (cue Pats rant about football hooligans) to a 50,000 crowd at Wembley. The Women?s Barbarians at Twickenham last week to a 40,000 crowd.
>>  
>> Well done BBC for boosting interest.
>>  
>> I?ve also been impressed by some of the female presenters, commentators and pundits.
>>  
>> Move over Gary Lineker who now thinks he?s a quiz show host. Apparently its dread full! Did he not learn anything from Gordon Ramseys debacle. Its not just about turning up and asking questions. 
>>  
>> It baffles me how Gary Lineker gets special treatment by the BBC. Doing his Walkers crisp adverts for example.
>>  
>> I remember when dear old John Noakes left the BBC he was allowed to keep Shep but not allowed to use him to make a few bob advertising dog food. A lookalike called Skip was used.
>>  
>> John V
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Dec  7 08:21:45 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 14:21:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays?
And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and bottom?
Cheers,
N.
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On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this expensive technology.   A good hobby, maybe.

I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and it's gone."    Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet.  It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal.  Did my young son and I watch it?  Of course we did.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec  7 09:12:21 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 15:12:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> .
> 
> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and it's gone."   
> 
> B -- 

Nail on head there Bernie.

Most Television and cinema is all about telling a story.  I despair of movies with lavish special effects where somebody forgot that it would be nice if there was a story too.  I?ve worked on documentaries where I?ve annoyed directors by asking what the story is, because it doesn?t seem to be obvious.  The finished result didn?t have a coherent story either.  I was expecting it to emerge during the edit.

I?ve done a corporate video which had an outrageously high budget, there were exciting shots of a split screen showing quickly cut shots of ocean yachts racing, with the key  message crawling along the bottom of the screen.  I asked the director where he expected viewers to be looking, because it was supposed to be a means of communication.  His reply was that they could easily rewind and take in the message at their own pace.

One reason why Pixar ( also Aardman animation ) have a solid track record with their animated movies is the effort and time they put into developing the storyline before doing anything else. The appeal of their movies to children is obvious, but they include details and subtle jokes which only the adults will notice. Even the very first Pixar short film in 1986, which was made as a demo of the technology had a proper story and gave emotions to inanimate objects.
https://youtu.be/FI0T0Oj7WFE
What I thought was amusing at the time was that other computer graphic professionals were clamouring to discover what software was being used, assuming it was some amazing cutting edge software.  It was the same off-the-peg software that everybody else was using, the difference being that they used skilled animators and put the effort into actually telling a story.

Luxor Jr was not originally intended to have a story, it was meant as a tech demo, but the Belgian animator Raoul Servais saw an early demo and told John Lassiter that it needed a story. Lassiter insisted that a two minute demo was too short to tell a story, but Severin replied ?You can tell a story in ten seconds?.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec  7 10:12:23 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 16:12:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Moders_phones_are_child=E2=80=99s_play?=
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Finally somebody is selling a modern phone which actually looks like a phone. You can make normal calls on it too.



https://www.wired.com/story/fisher-price-chatter-phone-bluetooth-

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From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:23:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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On 07/12/2021 15:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> ?I?ve worked on documentaries where I?ve annoyed directors by asking 
> what the story is, because it doesn?t seem to be obvious. 


To be fair, a lot of the time it isn't clear to the director where 
things are going.? You start off with a one line brief, one you're given 
or have invented yourself, and get going in hope of a good story. 
There's a story in pretty much everything, but you don't necessarily 
know where it's going to end up.

Endings are always an enormous worry all the way through.? In lectures I 
use a four minute film I made for Breakfast Time in 1983 to demonstrate 
that little changes in the four minute film world.? I find a recent one 
to show next to it that shows that the structure is more or less the 
same nearly 40 years later. The BT film was about VAT on hot take away 
food - a big deal at the time, but not exactly gripping.? One of the 
problems the reporter and I had all evening making it was how to end - 
till she saw some prawn crackers. They were cold but had been hot - was 
there VAT to pay?? An end line.? Then the nice take away people fed us a 
large amount of Chinese food. Tony Grant went home, and I went off to 
edit? - "You can't get on before midnight!".

On my three month trip into the world of bomb disposal, I spent a lot of 
it wondering how the story would go, because I had no idea what the army 
would give us.? I just recorded what we saw and hoped. And the ending 
was as always an on going problem, till the major we were following 
asked if we wanted to film the 100th anniversary regimental dinner, with 
everyone dressed up posh, and the regimental silver elegantly lit.? Mix 
that up with things blowing up, and it made a good end title sequence.

Some times what you thought was going to be the story suddenly changes 
in the edit. I was editing a short behind the scenes of Hospital Watch 
(linear VT edit) when I realised I was telling the wrong story and 
started over again. I was very lucky to have the luxury of time to get 
it done, because unlike non-linear, or film, you really did have to 
start again.

So Alan, you weren't necessarily the only one who didn't know what was 
going on.

B
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue Dec  7 15:19:58 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:19:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld to protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in the circumstances.

And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a Chinese family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was happy to eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.

Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open the legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some sustenance out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at least twice the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling you experience only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.

Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks Bernie.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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On Tuesday, December 7th, 2021 at 14:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays?
> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and bottom?
>
> Cheers,
> N.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>
>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this expensive technology. A good hobby, maybe.
>>
>> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and it's gone." Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet. It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal. Did my young son and I watch it? Of course we did.
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  7 15:54:09 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 21:54:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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I made a half hour documentary that had to be hand held (not for style 
but for expediency), but I did one sit down interview. It stood out like 
a sore thumb, because it was rock steady. I reshot it hand held.

The meal was with a Chinese family late one evening in their takeaway in 
Merton.? We may have had chicken feet, I don't remember, though I doubt 
that takeaways keep them, given the usual clientele. The other day I was 
in the Chinese supermarket which is part of Lotus Floating, on Millwall 
Dock, after a good dim sum lunch. It had a freezer full of different 
sorts of chicken feet, should anyone want to get hold of some.

Spider crab turned out to be a disappointment for me. An awful lot of 
work for not much result.? Give me a Cromer crab every time.

B



On 07/12/2021 21:19, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' 
> around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one 
> point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 
> 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter 
> couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he 
> keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all 
> over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld to 
> protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in the 
> circumstances.
>
> And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway 
> I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me 
> Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a Chinese 
> family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was happy to 
> eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.
>
> Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany 
> Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's 
> crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I 
> picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared 
> on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff 
> prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd 
> fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open the 
> legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some sustenance 
> out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at least twice 
> the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling you experience 
> only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.
>
> Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the 
> recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks Bernie.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Tuesday, December 7th, 2021 at 14:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to 
>> get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable 
>> nowadays?
>> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top 
>> and bottom?
>> Cheers,
>> N.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>>
>>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this 
>>> expensive technology.?? A good hobby, maybe.
>>>
>>> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first 
>>> lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the 
>>> actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - 
>>> click and it's gone." ?? Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off 
>>> VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet.? It 
>>> was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal.? Did my 
>>> young son and I watch it?? Of course we did.
>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec  7 16:03:42 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 22:03:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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I used to work on a lot of Right to Reply shows for Ch4.  The usual format for the location items was that a member of the public would have an issue with a particular programme and would front a short report.

Not surprisingly, despite the best efforts of the director, the stories didn?t always go as planned. The biggest problem was often concluding the story.  I sometimes put my oar in and made suggestions which were occasionally adopted and other times ignored.

On one occasion the story was about Ch4 changing their station Ident from the much loved multicolour animated 4, to a selection of idents based on four slightly irregular circles.
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The general thrust of his argument was that it was a retrograde step and it that Ch4 must have been off their heads to do such a thing.  He was asking what on earth possessed them to come up with that stupid idea.

After finishing the planned location sequences, we adjourned to a pub in Stratton Ground when I suggested a different finishing sequence.  We got the camera out and four of us sat around the pub table pretending to be the creatives tasked with coming up with a new station ident.  All ideas were deemed not good enough. Despondent, we picked up our beer glasses to drain them as the camera panned down to reveal four circular beer rings left on the script. ?Perfect, that should be our new Ident?. 

Our director thought it was a fabulously funny ending to the story, especially as our beer rings looked uncannily like the rings used by Ch4 and we carefully matched the look and layout of their ident. After it was transmitted it transpired that the agency behind the concept were furious that their highly paid creativity was being mocked.  Apparently the feedback from viewers was that they loved our ending.

Alan Taylor


> On 7 Dec 2021, at 20:24, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ? 
> On 07/12/2021 15:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>  I?ve worked on documentaries where I?ve annoyed directors by asking what the story is, because it doesn?t seem to be obvious.
> 
> 
> To be fair, a lot of the time it isn't clear to the director where things are going.  You start off with a one line brief, one you're given or have invented yourself, and get going in hope of a good story. There's a story in pretty much everything, but you don't necessarily know where it's going to end up. 
> 
> Endings are always an enormous worry all the way through.  In lectures I use a four minute film I made for Breakfast Time in 1983 to demonstrate that little changes in the four minute film world.  I find a recent one to show next to it that shows that the structure is more or less the same nearly 40 years later. The BT film was about VAT on hot take away food - a big deal at the time, but not exactly gripping.  One of the problems the reporter and I had all evening making it was how to end - till she saw some prawn crackers. They were cold but had been hot - was there VAT to pay?  An end line.  Then the nice take away people fed us a large amount of Chinese food. Tony Grant went home, and I went off to edit  - "You can't get on before midnight!".
> 
> On my three month trip into the world of bomb disposal, I spent a lot of it wondering how the story would go, because I had no idea what the army would give us.  I just recorded what we saw and hoped. And the ending was as always an on going problem, till the major we were following asked if we wanted to film the 100th anniversary regimental dinner, with everyone dressed up posh, and the regimental silver elegantly lit.  Mix that up with things blowing up, and it made a good end title sequence.
> 
> Some times what you thought was going to be the story suddenly changes in the edit. I was editing a short behind the scenes of Hospital Watch (linear VT edit) when I realised I was telling the wrong story and started over again. I was very lucky to have the luxury of time to get it done, because unlike non-linear, or film, you really did have to start again.
> 
> So Alan, you weren't necessarily the only one who didn't know what was going on.
> 
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> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  7 17:00:38 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 23:00:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
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What a good job that there is an embargo on discussing politics and 
religion in this newsgroup! After today's revelations about No. 10 
'parties' and the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan leaving 
thousands of UK human helpers behind the pages would be full of it (like 
tomorrows newspapers are!) Cheers, Dave



From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Dec  7 17:18:51 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 23:18:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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Ahh the miracle of the edit
We did a Captain Cook  Great Explorers film.
Shot in the US Virgin Isles on a replica barque that shipped 12tons of water an hour and could only pump out ten tons.
It was on the main approach to the busiest airport in the Caribbean..
Hence very noisy backgrounds 
We went on to Western Samoa convinced our efforts were in vain
On return we viewed an assembly 
Post had done a brilliant dub , accordions sea shanties and creaking galore.  
The whole Patric O?Brian.    
Bacon saved again
I shot an RSC  Edith Piaf and managed to erase a playback master
The editor found the remnants and replaced it seamlessly 
We shot The Impressionists in the Seine valley very trafficy
Location editors used coverage to replace all the noisy dialog
All on a MacBook Pro?
Great work guys
The best though Jack Gold Stoppers Copper
Very violent  clay miners v Glamorgan riot police
Jack dropped the frenzy and mayhem and faded to crimson 
Genius 

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> On 7 Dec 2021, at 22:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I used to work on a lot of Right to Reply shows for Ch4.  The usual format for the location items was that a member of the public would have an issue with a particular programme and would front a short report.
> 
> Not surprisingly, despite the best efforts of the director, the stories didn?t always go as planned. The biggest problem was often concluding the story.  I sometimes put my oar in and made suggestions which were occasionally adopted and other times ignored.
> 
> On one occasion the story was about Ch4 changing their station Ident from the much loved multicolour animated 4, to a selection of idents based on four slightly irregular circles.
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> 
> The general thrust of his argument was that it was a retrograde step and it that Ch4 must have been off their heads to do such a thing.  He was asking what on earth possessed them to come up with that stupid idea.
> 
> After finishing the planned location sequences, we adjourned to a pub in Stratton Ground when I suggested a different finishing sequence.  We got the camera out and four of us sat around the pub table pretending to be the creatives tasked with coming up with a new station ident.  All ideas were deemed not good enough. Despondent, we picked up our beer glasses to drain them as the camera panned down to reveal four circular beer rings left on the script. ?Perfect, that should be our new Ident?. 
> 
> Our director thought it was a fabulously funny ending to the story, especially as our beer rings looked uncannily like the rings used by Ch4 and we carefully matched the look and layout of their ident. After it was transmitted it transpired that the agency behind the concept were furious that their highly paid creativity was being mocked.  Apparently the feedback from viewers was that they loved our ending.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>> On 7 Dec 2021, at 20:24, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ? 
>>> On 07/12/2021 15:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I?ve worked on documentaries where I?ve annoyed directors by asking what the story is, because it doesn?t seem to be obvious.
>> 
>> 
>> To be fair, a lot of the time it isn't clear to the director where things are going.  You start off with a one line brief, one you're given or have invented yourself, and get going in hope of a good story. There's a story in pretty much everything, but you don't necessarily know where it's going to end up. 
>> 
>> Endings are always an enormous worry all the way through.  In lectures I use a four minute film I made for Breakfast Time in 1983 to demonstrate that little changes in the four minute film world.  I find a recent one to show next to it that shows that the structure is more or less the same nearly 40 years later. The BT film was about VAT on hot take away food - a big deal at the time, but not exactly gripping.  One of the problems the reporter and I had all evening making it was how to end - till she saw some prawn crackers. They were cold but had been hot - was there VAT to pay?  An end line.  Then the nice take away people fed us a large amount of Chinese food. Tony Grant went home, and I went off to edit  - "You can't get on before midnight!".
>> 
>> On my three month trip into the world of bomb disposal, I spent a lot of it wondering how the story would go, because I had no idea what the army would give us.  I just recorded what we saw and hoped. And the ending was as always an on going problem, till the major we were following asked if we wanted to film the 100th anniversary regimental dinner, with everyone dressed up posh, and the regimental silver elegantly lit.  Mix that up with things blowing up, and it made a good end title sequence.
>> 
>> Some times what you thought was going to be the story suddenly changes in the edit. I was editing a short behind the scenes of Hospital Watch (linear VT edit) when I realised I was telling the wrong story and started over again. I was very lucky to have the luxury of time to get it done, because unlike non-linear, or film, you really did have to start again.
>> 
>> So Alan, you weren't necessarily the only one who didn't know what was going on.
>> 
>> B      
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  8 04:42:21 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 10:42:21 +0000
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As I regard this forum as being a re-incarnation of the ?Tea-bar chat? at TVC, I?m sure that politics and religion would have been topics for discussion. However, people can have strong opinions and the traffic might well get heated! I?m against censorship as that denies the concept of free speech, but we do not want to task Bernie with ?blue-pencilling? messages!
Slightly religious, though: filming in Bangkok, Thailand, unlike European city locations, we were not permitted to drive ourselves there, since the locals were suicidally lunatic, and in the event of a prang, the police would lock everyone up and sort it out later. We had a very good young chap to drive the sound van. Sitting up front beside him one morning, I asked if he was Buddhist, as the city abounds with temples dedicated to Buddha. 
 An affirmative answer led to my next question, that of going on to a better ?next? life. ?If I am good in this one? he replied, ?but if not, I would like to come back as a dog!? I said: ?But you eat dog, here!? ?Ah!? he said, ?I want to be a dog in your country!?

Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 07 December 2021 23:02
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Politics

What a good job that there is an embargo on discussing politics and 
religion in this newsgroup! After today's revelations about No. 10 
'parties' and the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan leaving 
thousands of UK human helpers behind the pages would be full of it (like 
tomorrows newspapers are!) Cheers, Dave





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  8 05:11:23 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 11:11:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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There?s an outfit in Cheshire that transfers cine film to electronic formats, and I believe there is a method of smoothing out unsteady pics ? probably aligning each frame, but I?ve yet to put it to the test.
A cameraman of my acquaintance said that the heavier the camera, the easier it is possible to hand hold steady shots.
But I manage quite well with a small Sony Hi-Def Handycam.
Graham Berry used to work brilliantly chasing Anneka Rice on Treasure Hunt, but must have been able to calm down his breathing when coming to a halt!
Maybe some of today?s directors have zilch knowledge of how films are actually made - the same cameraman as before, mentioned a shot he was asked to do, involving walking backwards in front of two actors down a street, for a 2-shot.
The director asked him to get the close-ups at the same time, and he wanted it all to ?look cosmic?!!

My Panasonic projector has the facility of bringing in electronic masking to frame the picture, so that no spill light outside 4:3 hits the screen, but of course, one is restricted to the shot format. I do not have variable screen masking. But David Crozier, a production mixer I worked with many times has probably the best home cinema, ever ? take a look at this link, and scroll down to the video clip.
https://procella.audio/sound-designer-david-croziers-garden-cinema/

Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 07 December 2021 14:22
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Modern TVs

How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays? 
And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and bottom?
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  8 05:19:03 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 11:19:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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I, too, erased a part of a playback master!
The single track TR90 deck had the main output fader on a panel below the works, but next door to the record interlock button. Groping down for the fader, I forgot that the machine should not be put into record mode!
Luckily there was a 7 ?? dupe available, so a quick transfer  to 15 ips and flashing razor blades and splicing tape, mended the appalling error!
Pat


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From: Roger Long via Tech1
Sent: 07 December 2021 23:19
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Modern TVs

I shot an RSC  Edith Piaf and managed to erase a playback master
The editor found the remnants and replaced it seamlessly 



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  8 05:40:44 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 11:40:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Moders_phones_are_child=E2=80=99s_play?=
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Ah! The dreaded Moders phone!
What fun. As it?s Fisher-Price, I am reminded of a Thames TV shoot with David Bellamy.
His four-year old daughter wanted to show her ?gramophone? to us sound guys. It was quite a cunning thing ? the records were a music box disc with nibs that clicked the pick-up head, which was the music box comb bit. It did not locate properly, so the little mite banged it furiously with her little fist. We had  cringing visions of an SME arm with Shure V15 cartridge being pounded into the vinyl of our favourite disc!
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
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To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] Moders phones are child?s play


Finally somebody is selling a modern phone which actually looks like a phone. You can make normal calls on it too.

https://www.wired.com/story/fisher-price-chatter-phone-bluetooth-

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 06:45:12 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 12:45:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
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The trouble is that it tends to become a slanging match. I hate the idea 
of no-platforming people, but I've done it before and I can do it again.

I think I offered some years back to set up a new email list for those 
who want to argue politics and religion but no one took me up on it. 
It's very easy to set up if anyone wants it - a no censorship at all 
list, be as rude as you like......

B



On 08/12/2021 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> As I regard this forum as being a re-incarnation of the ?Tea-bar chat? 
> at TVC, I?m sure that politics and religion would have been topics for 
> discussion. However, people can have strong opinions and the traffic 
> might well get heated! I?m against censorship as that denies the 
> concept of free speech, but we do not want to task Bernie with 
> ?blue-pencilling? messages!
>
> Slightly religious, though: filming in Bangkok, Thailand, unlike 
> European city locations, we were not permitted to drive ourselves 
> there, since the locals were suicidally lunatic, and in the event of a 
> prang, the police would lock everyone up and sort it out later. We had 
> a very good young chap to drive the sound van. Sitting up front beside 
> him one morning, I asked if he was Buddhist, as the city abounds with 
> temples dedicated to Buddha.
>
> ?An affirmative answer led to my next question, that of going on to a 
> better ?next? life. ?If I am good in this one? he replied, ?but if 
> not, I would like to come back as a dog!? I said: ?But you eat dog, 
> here!? ?Ah!? he said, ?I want to be a dog in _your_ country!?
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *07 December 2021 23:02
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Politics
>
> What a good job that there is an embargo on discussing politics and
>
> religion in this newsgroup! After today's revelations about No. 10
>
> 'parties' and the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan leaving
>
> thousands of UK human helpers behind the pages would be full of it (like
>
> tomorrows newspapers are!) Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 06:51:38 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 12:51:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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Da Vinci Resolve has a built in dewobbler system, which works really 
well.?? One of my U3A students turned out to have very shaky hands when 
we made The Immortal Bard, and the de-shaker made his work rock solid, 
though a bit zoomed in.

Is anyone else here a DVR user??? After some years of using the free 
version I've finally paid my money - ?255, a mere pittance for you 
iThing people - which currently includes a Blackmagic Speed Editor, 
looking a lot like those Sony editor keyboards of long ago.

B



On 08/12/2021 11:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> There?s an outfit in Cheshire that transfers cine film to electronic 
> formats, and I believe there is a method of smoothing out unsteady 
> pics ? probably aligning each frame, but I?ve yet to put it to the test.
>
> A cameraman of my acquaintance said that the heavier the camera, the 
> easier it is possible to hand hold steady shots.
>
> But I manage quite well with a small Sony Hi-Def Handycam.
>
> Graham Berry used to work brilliantly chasing Anneka Rice on Treasure 
> Hunt, but must have been able to calm down his breathing when coming 
> to a halt!
>
> Maybe some of today?s directors have zilch knowledge of how films are 
> actually made - the same cameraman as before, mentioned a shot he was 
> asked to do, involving walking backwards in front of two actors down a 
> street, for a 2-shot.
>
> The director asked him to get the close-ups at the same time, and he 
> wanted it all to ?look cosmic?!!
>
> My Panasonic projector has the facility of bringing in electronic 
> masking to frame the picture, so that no spill light outside 4:3 hits 
> the screen, but of course, one is restricted to the shot format. I do 
> not have variable screen masking. But David Crozier, a production 
> mixer I worked with many times has probably the best home cinema, ever 
> ? take a look at this link, and scroll down to the video clip.
>
> https://procella.audio/sound-designer-david-croziers-garden-cinema/
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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>
> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *07 December 2021 14:22
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Modern TVs
>
> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get 
> rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays?
>
> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and 
> bottom?
>
> Cheers,
>
> N.
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Dec  8 07:20:50 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 13:20:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
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I was one of the moderators for a special interest group where there were lots of off-topic discussions and we made it an absolute rule that there should be no discussion of politics, religion or sport.  Those topics all to easily lead to acrimonious exchanges along tribal lines. The forum wasn?t email based, therefore any messages which fell foul of the rules could be swiftly deleted and if necessary, the sender could be set to be pre-moderated so that future postings had to be approved before becoming visible. As moderators we could view the IP addresses of people posting and it was occasionally amusing to publicly call out somebody who said something controversial and then used sock-puppet accounts to voice support for themselves.

Having said that, we live in interesting times and reading between the lines, I?m pretty certain many people here would share my political views to a certain extent, but this isn?t the place to discuss them.

Alan Taylor



> On 8 Dec 2021, at 12:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ? The trouble is that it tends to become a slanging match. I hate the idea of no-platforming people, but I've done it before and I can do it again.
> 
> I think I offered some years back to set up a new email list for those who want to argue politics and religion but no one took me up on it. It's very easy to set up if anyone wants it - a no censorship at all list, be as rude as you like......
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/12/2021 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> As I regard this forum as being a re-incarnation of the ?Tea-bar chat? at TVC, I?m sure that politics and religion would have been topics for discussion. However, people can have strong opinions and the traffic might well get heated! I?m against censorship as that denies the concept of free speech, but we do not want to task Bernie with ?blue-pencilling? messages!
>> Slightly religious, though: filming in Bangkok, Thailand, unlike European city locations, we were not permitted to drive ourselves there, since the locals were suicidally lunatic, and in the event of a prang, the police would lock everyone up and sort it out later. We had a very good young chap to drive the sound van. Sitting up front beside him one morning, I asked if he was Buddhist, as the city abounds with temples dedicated to Buddha.
>>  An affirmative answer led to my next question, that of going on to a better ?next? life. ?If I am good in this one? he replied, ?but if not, I would like to come back as a dog!? I said: ?But you eat dog, here!? ?Ah!? he said, ?I want to be a dog in your country!?
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>  
>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: 07 December 2021 23:02
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] Politics
>>  
>> What a good job that there is an embargo on discussing politics and
>> religion in this newsgroup! After today's revelations about No. 10
>> 'parties' and the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan leaving
>> thousands of UK human helpers behind the pages would be full of it (like
>> tomorrows newspapers are!) Cheers, Dave
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Dec  8 08:09:09 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 14:09:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
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On 08/12/2021 13:20, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I was one of the moderators for a special interest group where there 
> were lots of off-topic discussions and we made it an absolute rule 
> that there should be no discussion of politics, religion or sport. ....


While it should be possible to exclude sport from any conversation - 
soooo boring - and religion is still mostly something that needn't 
impinge on our daily lives (though it is getting harder to keep that one 
at bay), there is a problem with current politics around the majority of 
the world, very much including this country.

Once upon a time in the gentlemanly (no women were involved) world of 
Westminster things moved relatively slowly, and unless there was a war, 
a measured and intentional ignorance of politics was tenable. Currently 
that just isn't so. Just as with Trump in the US, and some of the more 
right-wing populist regimes around Eastern Europe and all points further 
towards the Orient (plus a few in S America), we find our everyday lives 
- and more importantly, our working lives - massively affected by 
arbitrary and perverse political decisions.

Certainly slanging matches have to be avoided, but the inability to 
discuss? We might have to get back to just talking about the weather, 
and that wouldn't be very helpful.

Chris Woolf



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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Dec  8 08:53:44 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 14:53:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if 
you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never 
perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama 
like they should.


Anyone watch The Gulf on the Drama Channel? Wobbly cam on that far too 
obvious. And I needed to subtitles to follow the important dialogue - a 
combination of unfamiliar accents and mumbled dialogue.? But well worth 
a watch. A sort of far side of the world Shetland.

On 07/12/2021 21:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I made a half hour documentary that had to be hand held (not for style 
> but for expediency), but I did one sit down interview. It stood out 
> like a sore thumb, because it was rock steady. I reshot it hand held.
>
> The meal was with a Chinese family late one evening in their takeaway 
> in Merton.? We may have had chicken feet, I don't remember, though I 
> doubt that takeaways keep them, given the usual clientele. The other 
> day I was in the Chinese supermarket which is part of Lotus Floating, 
> on Millwall Dock, after a good dim sum lunch. It had a freezer full of 
> different sorts of chicken feet, should anyone want to get hold of some.
>
> Spider crab turned out to be a disappointment for me. An awful lot of 
> work for not much result.? Give me a Cromer crab every time.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 07/12/2021 21:19, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' 
>> around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one 
>> point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 
>> 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter 
>> couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he 
>> keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all 
>> over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld 
>> to protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in the 
>> circumstances.
>>
>> And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway 
>> I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me 
>> Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a Chinese 
>> family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was happy to 
>> eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.
>>
>> Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany 
>> Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's 
>> crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I 
>> picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared 
>> on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff 
>> prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd 
>> fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open 
>> the legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some 
>> sustenance out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at 
>> least twice the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling 
>> you experience only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.
>>
>> Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the 
>> recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks Bernie.
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>>
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Tuesday, December 7th, 2021 at 14:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to 
>>> get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable 
>>> nowadays?
>>> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top 
>>> and bottom?
>>> Cheers,
>>> N.
>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>>>
>>>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all 
>>>> this expensive technology.?? A good hobby, maybe.
>>>>
>>>> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first 
>>>> lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the 
>>>> actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - 
>>>> click and it's gone." ?? Long ago I was given a really ratty rip 
>>>> off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out 
>>>> yet.? It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very 
>>>> illegal. Did my young son and I watch it?? Of course we did.
>>>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 09:23:45 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 15:23:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Admin : Politics
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OK -

There's now a new list called discuss at tech-ops.co.uk . Chris, Dave, Pat 
and Alan are already on it, though you can easily unsubscribe.? Just 
post to the list as usual. There'll be no moderating - a bear pit for 
all who want to join. Just ask me.

B



On 08/12/2021 14:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> On 08/12/2021 13:20, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I was one of the moderators for a special interest group where there 
>> were lots of off-topic discussions and we made it an absolute rule 
>> that there should be no discussion of politics, religion or sport. ....
>
>
> While it should be possible to exclude sport from any conversation - 
> soooo boring - and religion is still mostly something that needn't 
> impinge on our daily lives (though it is getting harder to keep that 
> one at bay), there is a problem with current politics around the 
> majority of the world, very much including this country.
>
> Once upon a time in the gentlemanly (no women were involved) world of 
> Westminster things moved relatively slowly, and unless there was a 
> war, a measured and intentional ignorance of politics was tenable. 
> Currently that just isn't so. Just as with Trump in the US, and some 
> of the more right-wing populist regimes around Eastern Europe and all 
> points further towards the Orient (plus a few in S America), we find 
> our everyday lives - and more importantly, our working lives - 
> massively affected by arbitrary and perverse political decisions.
>
> Certainly slanging matches have to be avoided, but the inability to 
> discuss? We might have to get back to just talking about the weather, 
> and that wouldn't be very helpful.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Dec  8 09:44:08 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 15:44:08 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
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I find myself in agreement with Chris?s measured remarks on this topic. I suppose the weakness of the blanket political exclusion is the fact that many issues, though arguably political, are perhaps more particularly matters of right and wrong , basic humanity and broad morality. Yes, I know that right and wrong etc. are subjective and arbitrary but when you look at some of the phenomena that Chris alludes to I?m pretty sure there would be widespread consensus within the membership.

I see that Bernie is now facilitating a forum to accommodate expression of strongly held views in the political arena. Not sure about the ?no holds barred? provision as that might discourage those who would wish to contribute for fear of getting embroiled in unpleasantness along the lines of the misgivings that Alan mentions. There are no easy answers.

Dave Newbitt.

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On 08/12/2021 13:20, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

  I was one of the moderators for a special interest group where there were lots of off-topic discussions and we made it an absolute rule that there should be no discussion of politics, religion or sport.  ....


While it should be possible to exclude sport from any conversation - soooo boring - and religion is still mostly something that needn't impinge on our daily lives (though it is getting harder to keep that one at bay), there is a problem with current politics around the majority of the world, very much including this country.

Once upon a time in the gentlemanly (no women were involved) world of Westminster things moved relatively slowly, and unless there was a war, a measured and intentional ignorance of politics was tenable. Currently that just isn't so. Just as with Trump in the US, and some of the more right-wing populist regimes around Eastern Europe and all points further towards the Orient (plus a few in S America), we find our everyday lives - and more importantly, our working lives - massively affected by arbitrary and perverse political decisions.

Certainly slanging matches have to be avoided, but the inability to discuss? We might have to get back to just talking about the weather, and that wouldn't be very helpful.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 09:49:01 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 15:49:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
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On 08/12/2021 15:44, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> I suppose the weakness of the blanket political exclusion is the fact 
> that many issues, 

The blanket exclusion is so that I don't have to do any work.? I don't 
want to be a moderator, it's boring, so I just said no. Anyone can now 
join the new list and argue as much as you want because it won't be 
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed Dec  8 10:02:07 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 16:02:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Miriam Margolyes
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Berni is right. Politics is bringing out the worst in people. Zero tolerance!

Thanks Alan for giving a nod to Miriam.

National treasure. Joy to work with.

Taking on some Trump supporters in The Real Marigold Hotel series was brilliant. (Does this count as politics?)

In her early days I think she did dialogue dubs for foreign porn films.

Bet there was a bit of irony there!

Bless her.

John V

From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Dec  8 10:08:33 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 16:08:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Miriam Margolyes
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Not so much the dialogue as the heavy breathing apparently!

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 8 Dec 2021, at 16:02, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Berni is right. Politics is bringing out the worst in people. Zero tolerance!
> 
> Thanks Alan for giving a nod to Miriam.
> 
> National treasure. Joy to work with.
> 
> Taking on some Trump supporters in The Real Marigold Hotel series was brilliant. (Does this count as politics?)
> 
> In her early days I think she did dialogue dubs for foreign porn films.
> 
> Bet there was a bit of irony there!
> 
> Bless her.
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Dec  8 10:15:50 2021
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 16:15:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Miriam Margolyes
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> On 8 Dec 2021, at 16:02, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Berni is right. Politics is bringing out the worst in people. Zero tolerance!
> 
> Thanks Alan for giving a nod to Miriam.
> 
> National treasure. Joy to work with.
> 
> 
> In her early days I think she did dialogue dubs for foreign porn films.

On no account should anybody Google for ?Sexy Sonia?.  

Alan Taylor

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  8 10:33:24 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 16:33:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Miriam Margolyes
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I gather she farts for England! Was that needed?

Sent from Mail for Windows

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Not so much the dialogue as the heavy breathing apparently!

? 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Dec  8 10:39:16 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 16:39:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Miriam Margolyes
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Last time i worked with her, on a sitcom for Southern Television, I was relaxing one side of the studio whille rehearsal took place in a set the other side. Suddenly I hear the Director yell, "For God?s sake three, pan off!? She was mooning at the camera.

? 
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> On 8 Dec 2021, at 16:33, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> I gather she farts for England! Was that needed?
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
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> Cc: Tech ops
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> Not so much the dialogue as the heavy breathing apparently!
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec  8 10:52:13 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 16:52:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Miriam Margolyes
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Talking of ?mooning? I may have posted this before, or it came from one of you, but worth another chortle!
Pat


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Last time i worked with her, on a sitcom for Southern Television, I was relaxing one side of the studio whille rehearsal took place in a set the other side. Suddenly I hear the Director yell, "For God?s sake three, pan off!? She was mooning at the camera.

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  8 11:55:29 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 17:55:29 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
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Hi Pat,

Thanks for the Thailand story and the tag line about the Buddhist man wanting to be reincarnated as a dog but in our country made me smile and one which I shall enjoy retelling,

 

Geoff

 

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Sent: 08 December 2021 10:42
To: dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Politics

 

As I regard this forum as being a re-incarnation of the ?Tea-bar chat? at TVC, I?m sure that politics and religion would have been topics for discussion. However, people can have strong opinions and the traffic might well get heated! I?m against censorship as that denies the concept of free speech, but we do not want to task Bernie with ?blue-pencilling? messages!

Slightly religious, though: filming in Bangkok, Thailand, unlike European city locations, we were not permitted to drive ourselves there, since the locals were suicidally lunatic, and in the event of a prang, the police would lock everyone up and sort it out later. We had a very good young chap to drive the sound van. Sitting up front beside him one morning, I asked if he was Buddhist, as the city abounds with temples dedicated to Buddha. 

 An affirmative answer led to my next question, that of going on to a better ?next? life. ?If I am good in this one? he replied, ?but if not, I would like to come back as a dog!? I said: ?But you eat dog, here!? ?Ah!? he said, ?I want to be a dog in your country!?

 

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What a good job that there is an embargo on discussing politics and 

religion in this newsgroup! After today's revelations about No. 10 

'parties' and the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan leaving 

thousands of UK human helpers behind the pages would be full of it (like 

tomorrows newspapers are!) Cheers, Dave

 

 

 

 

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Dec  8 12:29:32 2021
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I already have!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 8 Dec 2021, at 17:55, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Pat,
> Thanks for the Thailand story and the tag line about the Buddhist man wanting to be reincarnated as a dog but in our country made me smile and one which I shall enjoy retelling,
>  
> Geoff
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
> Sent: 08 December 2021 10:42
> To: dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Politics
>  
> As I regard this forum as being a re-incarnation of the ?Tea-bar chat? at TVC, I?m sure that politics and religion would have been topics for discussion. However, people can have strong opinions and the traffic might well get heated! I?m against censorship as that denies the concept of free speech, but we do not want to task Bernie with ?blue-pencilling? messages!
> Slightly religious, though: filming in Bangkok, Thailand, unlike European city locations, we were not permitted to drive ourselves there, since the locals were suicidally lunatic, and in the event of a prang, the police would lock everyone up and sort it out later. We had a very good young chap to drive the sound van. Sitting up front beside him one morning, I asked if he was Buddhist, as the city abounds with temples dedicated to Buddha. 
>  An affirmative answer led to my next question, that of going on to a better ?next? life. ?If I am good in this one? he replied, ?but if not, I would like to come back as a dog!? I said: ?But you eat dog, here!? ?Ah!? he said, ?I want to be a dog in your country!?
>  
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> What a good job that there is an embargo on discussing politics and 
> religion in this newsgroup! After today's revelations about No. 10 
> 'parties' and the evacuation of animals from Afghanistan leaving 
> thousands of UK human helpers behind the pages would be full of it (like 
> tomorrows newspapers are!) Cheers, Dave
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Wed Dec  8 23:31:16 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 05:31:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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The fallacy of that argument is that your brain keeps your eyes locked on the target; assuming you are not falling down the stairs say, and if you glance around it edits out the blur of the change, effectively ?cutting? 
I have one eye that has become a bit slow to respond to head movement, it can?t fully cancel out a bumpy road for example, and that just shows (me) how we can normally take our personal steadicam totally for granted. That?s what makes wobbly hand held unreal. Being ?in there? and part of the action is an appealing concept but wobbly isn?t what happens.

Peter Fox

On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like they should.



Anyone watch The Gulf on the Drama Channel? Wobbly cam on that far too obvious. And I needed to subtitles to follow the important dialogue - a combination of unfamiliar accents and mumbled dialogue.  But well worth a watch. A sort of far side of the world Shetland.

On 07/12/2021 21:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I made a half hour documentary that had to be hand held (not for style but for expediency), but I did one sit down interview. It stood out like a sore thumb, because it was rock steady. I reshot it hand held.
> 
> The meal was with a Chinese family late one evening in their takeaway in Merton.  We may have had chicken feet, I don't remember, though I doubt that takeaways keep them, given the usual clientele. The other day I was in the Chinese supermarket which is part of Lotus Floating, on Millwall Dock, after a good dim sum lunch. It had a freezer full of different sorts of chicken feet, should anyone want to get hold of some.
> 
> Spider crab turned out to be a disappointment for me. An awful lot of work for not much result.  Give me a Cromer crab every time.
> 
> B
> 
>  
> 
> On 07/12/2021 21:19, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld to protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in the circumstances.
>> 
>> And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a Chinese family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was happy to eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.
>> 
>> Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open the legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some sustenance out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at least twice the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling you experience only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.
>> 
>> Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks Bernie.
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
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>> On Tuesday, December 7th, 2021 at 14:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays?
>>> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and bottom?
>>> Cheers,
>>> N.
>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>>>> ? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this expensive technology.   A good hobby, maybe.
>>>> 
>>>> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and it's gone."    Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet.  It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal.  Did my young son and I watch it?  Of course we did.
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Dec  9 03:46:18 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 09:46:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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?I?m so glad you said that, Pete. Add to that the fact that the screen image is contained in a hard edged rectangular frame that never moves, thereby exaggerating the wobble, and the delightfully misguided head movement argument becomes nonsense!
Other arguments for wobbly-cam also exist - mainly determined by budgetary considerations, or rebellion against traditional convention by people who think they know better.
My earlier comment re- image stabilisation in the TV was meant as a semi-humerous solution to exactly this problem. But, with data from motion detectors in next generation cameras, that could well become a reality. If not in the TV, then in the edit process. It?s already common practice to shoot wider in higher resolutions and re-frame later, so the picture data is there to be had.
I have a 1920x1080 dashcam that does all of this already, costing only ?37.00!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

On 9 Dec 2021, at 05:31, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? The fallacy of that argument is that your brain keeps your eyes locked on the target; assuming you are not falling down the stairs say, and if you glance around it edits out the blur of the change, effectively ?cutting?
I have one eye that has become a bit slow to respond to head movement, it can?t fully cancel out a bumpy road for example, and that just shows (me) how we can normally take our personal steadicam totally for granted. That?s what makes wobbly hand held unreal. Being ?in there? and part of the action is an appealing concept but wobbly isn?t what happens.

Peter Fox

On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like they should.
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 10:04:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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Does this extend to only using a lens which mimics what the brain sees? 
No BCUs etc? - as we never get that close to anyone in a normal 
conversation? And so on? Surely the idea is to tell? story in? the most 
attractive way possible? Which of course comes down to taste.

On 09/12/2021 05:31, Peter Fox wrote:
> The fallacy of that argument is that your brain keeps your eyes locked 
> on the target; assuming you are not falling down the stairs say, and 
> if you glance around it edits out the blur of the change, effectively 
> ?cutting?
> I have one eye that has become a bit slow to respond to head movement, 
> it can?t fully cancel out a bumpy road for example, and that just 
> shows (me) how we can normally take our personal steadicam totally for 
> granted. That?s what makes wobbly hand held unreal. Being ?in there? 
> and part of the action is an appealing concept but wobbly isn?t what 
> happens.
>
> Peter Fox
>
> On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if 
> you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are 
> never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a 
> drama like they should.
>
>
> Anyone watch The Gulf on the Drama Channel? Wobbly cam on that far too 
> obvious. And I needed to subtitles to follow the important dialogue - 
> a combination of unfamiliar accents and mumbled dialogue.? But well 
> worth a watch. A sort of far side of the world Shetland.
>
> On 07/12/2021 21:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I made a half hour documentary that had to be hand held (not for 
>> style but for expediency), but I did one sit down interview. It stood 
>> out like a sore thumb, because it was rock steady. I reshot it hand held.
>>
>> The meal was with a Chinese family late one evening in their takeaway 
>> in Merton.? We may have had chicken feet, I don't remember, though I 
>> doubt that takeaways keep them, given the usual clientele. The other 
>> day I was in the Chinese supermarket which is part of Lotus Floating, 
>> on Millwall Dock, after a good dim sum lunch. It had a freezer full 
>> of different sorts of chicken feet, should anyone want to get hold of 
>> some.
>>
>> Spider crab turned out to be a disappointment for me. An awful lot of 
>> work for not much result.? Give me a Cromer crab every time.
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/12/2021 21:19, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' 
>>> around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one 
>>> point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 
>>> 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter 
>>> couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he 
>>> keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all 
>>> over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld 
>>> to protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in 
>>> the circumstances.
>>>
>>> And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway 
>>> I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me 
>>> Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a 
>>> Chinese family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was 
>>> happy to eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.
>>>
>>> Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany 
>>> Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's 
>>> crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I 
>>> picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared 
>>> on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff 
>>> prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd 
>>> fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open 
>>> the legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some 
>>> sustenance out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at 
>>> least twice the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling 
>>> you experience only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.
>>>
>>> Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the 
>>> recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks 
>>> Bernie.
>>>
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>
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>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>> On Tuesday, December 7th, 2021 at 14:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to 
>>>> get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable 
>>>> nowadays?
>>>> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top 
>>>> and bottom?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> N.
>>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>>>>
>>>>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all 
>>>>> this expensive technology.?? A good hobby, maybe.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first 
>>>>> lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the 
>>>>> actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - 
>>>>> click and it's gone." ?? Long ago I was given a really ratty rip 
>>>>> off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out 
>>>>> yet.? It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very 
>>>>> illegal.? Did my young son and I watch it?? Of course we did.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec  9 04:31:10 2021
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 10:31:10 +0000
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My tuppence worth: cinema films were usually shot very steady, as a small movement in the film frame is hugely magnified on a 30ft screen, think of the projector beam as being a virtual lever. Wobblyscope is ?acceptable? (?) on a small screen as the movement is less obvious. Except that TV screens are getting larger, if you can afford them, so handheld shots are more noticeable.
To pick-up on the point about BCU?s. An IMAX film I saw had a drama sequence, but a BCU that came up as three buses high, looked totally wrong. That large format is more suited to wide shots, letting the eye roam over the image, for spectacular effect, particularly on helicopter shots.
A handheld travelling camera used on a ski chase on a Bond movie was stunning on Pinewood?s Theatre 7 screen ? it dragged your eyes all over the place!
I heard of a director wanting to put the viewer into a group shot, instructing the handheld cameraman to keep the camera on the move, as if the viewer was on the edge of the group and jockeying for position. Still not sure if it worked.
But I suspect that a greater reason for handheld is to save time on set-ups. No track laying or dolly operating, or even putting up the legs. Steadicam, of course has been a great invention in that respect.
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 09 December 2021 09:46
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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?I?m so glad you said that, Pete. Add to that the fact that the screen image is contained in a hard edged rectangular frame that never moves, thereby exaggerating the wobble, and the delightfully misguided head movement argument becomes nonsense!
Other arguments for wobbly-cam also exist - mainly determined by budgetary considerations, or rebellion against traditional convention by people who think they know better.
My earlier comment re- image stabilisation in the TV was meant as a semi-humerous solution to exactly this problem. But, with data from motion detectors in next generation cameras, that could well become a reality. If not in the TV, then in the edit process. It?s already common practice to shoot wider in higher resolutions and re-frame later, so the picture data is there to be had.
I have a 1920x1080 dashcam that does all of this already, costing only ?37.00!
Cheers,
Nick.?
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088


On 9 Dec 2021, at 05:31, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? The fallacy of that argument is that your brain keeps your eyes locked on the target; assuming you are not falling down the stairs say, and if you glance around it edits out the blur of the change, effectively ?cutting?? 
I have one eye that has become a bit slow to respond to head movement, it can?t fully cancel out a bumpy road for example, and that just shows (me) how we can normally take our personal steadicam totally for granted. That?s what makes wobbly hand held unreal. Being ?in there? and part of the action is an appealing concept but wobbly isn?t what happens.
Peter Fox

On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like they should.



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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Dec  9 05:56:05 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 11:56:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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When I was about 12, I was amused to observe the opposite of this.  

My father took me to a demonstration of Circlorama. It was a fairly small circular auditorium with maybe a dozen screens around the perimeter so that you see a 360? view. The audience stand in the middle and there was a multi channel audio system too. Heaven knows how it was all synchronised, no doubt it was down to the magic of sprockets.

The whole thing seemed to be Russian in origin and one sequence was shot on a boat at sea.  It was quite choppy and the camera was bobbing around with the motion of the boat.  It amused me to notice that the audience were swaying in order to maintain their balance.  I then noticed that I too was swaying.

My other memory of it was that there were dreadful grading issues ( although I didn?t know about grading in those days ) from one screen to another and it looked really bizzarre when a yacht with white sails turned into a yacht with cream sails and then into a yacht with light blue sails as it passed us

Even as a naive pre-teen, I deduced that Circlorama was little more than a curious gimmick and was most definitely not the future of cinema, which some of its proponents would have had you believe..

Alan Taylor



> On 9 Dec 2021, at 10:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like


From waresound at msn.com  Thu Dec  9 07:17:29 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 13:17:29 +0000
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We?re moving right away from TV drama  now, but hey, why not? 
The Circlorama theatre next to Waterloo Station has/had handrails to hold onto and no seating as such (if it?s still there). Years ago I remember going into to one at Disneyland in LA, where there was also quite violent floor movement going on. Fun and disorientating, but I don?t think I would want my sitting room TV viewing to include any of those features!
Cheers,
Nick. 
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> On 9 Dec 2021, at 11:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?When I was about 12, I was amused to observe the opposite of this.  
> 
> My father took me to a demonstration of Circlorama. It was a fairly small circular auditorium with maybe a dozen screens around the perimeter so that you see a 360? view. The audience stand in the middle and there was a multi channel audio system too. Heaven knows how it was all synchronised, no doubt it was down to the magic of sprockets.
> 
> The whole thing seemed to be Russian in origin and one sequence was shot on a boat at sea.  It was quite choppy and the camera was bobbing around with the motion of the boat.  It amused me to notice that the audience were swaying in order to maintain their balance.  I then noticed that I too was swaying.
> 
> My other memory of it was that there were dreadful grading issues ( although I didn?t know about grading in those days ) from one screen to another and it looked really bizzarre when a yacht with white sails turned into a yacht with cream sails and then into a yacht with light blue sails as it passed us
> 
> Even as a naive pre-teen, I deduced that Circlorama was little more than a curious gimmick and was most definitely not the future of cinema, which some of its proponents would have had you believe..
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9 Dec 2021, at 10:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec  9 07:32:05 2021
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 13:32:05 +0000
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When on a shoot in Prague, we discovered what you describe as Circlorama at the amusement park.
 Pretty naff, we thought.
I remember seeing Cinerama at the Dominion, Tottenham Court Road, and there is still a working 3-projector theatre at Bradford Museum. I have two BluRay Cinerama films, which have been brilliantly restored with the joins being expertly blended. According to the ?how it was done? extra a special scanner had to be built to take account of the non standard sprocket hole spacing.
Put up on my 9ft screen in my friends? dining room, was a bit good!
I was fortunate to experience a back-stage tour of the Waterloo IMAX cinema, facilitated by a Guild member who was the post production sound mixer for many of the films.
I was intrigued by the fact that should the 70mm film break, it was mended with black leader, as the computer stored soundtrack could not be adjusted to take into account the missing frames! We hung around to watch a 3D animated film, with both projectors working via polarising filters.
Very effective, yes, gimmicky, but the kids loved it!
Pat



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To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Modern TVs

My father took me to a demonstration of Circlorama. It was a fairly small circular auditorium with maybe a dozen screens around the perimeter so that you see a 360? view. The audience stand in the middle and there was a multi channel audio system too. Heaven knows how it was all synchronised, no doubt it was down to the magic of sprockets.

The whole thing seemed to be Russian in origin and one sequence was shot on a boat at sea.  

Even as a naive pre-teen, I deduced that Circlorama was little more than a curious gimmick and was most definitely not the future of cinema, which some of its proponents would have had you believe..

Alan Taylor






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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec  9 12:08:10 2021
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 18:08:10 +0000
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At this time of year one gets inundated with leaflets and flyers begging for donations to fight against animal cruelty. Of course, the worst possible photos are used to elicit sympathy, and even knowing that, I?m reduced to tears.
Some years ago, I was shooting in a park in Peckham for the sitcom ?Desmonds? and witnessed a skinhead oik ?walking his dog?. He was holding it in the air by the lead and collar, and booting it with his Doc Martins. I was on the point of chasing him to remonstrate, but the rest of the crew restrained me, as I would probably have come off worst in a confrontation, but I still wanted to stamp on his balls.
I keep an RSPCA number on my phone, if I come across an injured animal in the road.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec  9 12:31:28 2021
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 18:31:28 +0000
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Nothing yet missed, Mike,
This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.
Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.
I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!
I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s  being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!
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From: Mike Giles via Discuss
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Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Thu Dec  9 12:48:56 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 18:48:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening
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Why are posts to "Discuss" arriving from "Tech1". I am not intetested.

Doug

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Nothing yet missed, Mike,

This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.

Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.

I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!

I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s ?being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!

Pat

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Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Dec  9 13:03:33 2021
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 19:03:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening
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I think that political party whipping (as opposed to the other 
'pleasurable' sort for Eton schoolboys!) should be outlawed and let MPs 
vote according to their conscience. Cheers, Dave

On 09/12/2021 18:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Nothing yet missed, Mike,
>
> This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and 
> politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the 
> tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.
>
> Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we 
> are supposed to be a country of free speech.
>
> I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the 
> Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and 
> proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!
>
> I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s ?being forced by the whips 
> to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the 
> electorate voted them in for? Or was it!
>
> Pat
>
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> Windows
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> *From: *Mike Giles via Discuss <mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *09 December 2021 17:56
> *To: *discuss at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Discuss] Good evening
>
> Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed 
> so far?
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Please ensure that the discuss stuff doesn?t come to me.
Thanks.
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On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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Nothing yet missed, Mike,
This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.
Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.
I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!
I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s  being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!
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Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?

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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Thu Dec  9 13:50:39 2021
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 19:50:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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I am getting really annoyed at news reports using percentages as reports on increases or decreases in everything.
The annoying part is that they say maybe COVID infections have risen  let?s say 200%.
This gives the impression in my opinion that things are 200 times worse than they were the day before to anyone not used to mathematics. In fact they have doubled or are twice as bad, not good but certainly not 200 times worse.
As well two other annoying things mentioned by ?journalist?s ? are?.
Arthuritis ??.NO it?s arthritis ??or
Newcular ??..NO it?s nuclear?..or
Planits ????..No it?s planets.
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Thu Dec  9 14:07:50 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2021 20:07:50 +0000
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People posting to "Discuss" are also posting to Tech1. Please don't. I also  do not want it.

Doug

On 9 December 2021, at 19:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Please ensure that the discuss stuff doesn?t come to me.? 

Thanks. 

Nick.

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On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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Nothing yet missed, Mike,

This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.

Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.

I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!

I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s ?being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!

Pat

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 15:00:55 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 21:00:55 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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I think Peter is quite right that under normal circumstances we don?t normally see the world in wobbly-vision as our brains smooth it out, which is what makes wobbly-cam pictures look so unnatural and distracting. We also have the ability to view in wide angle when surveying a scene but to effectively zoom in (though not optically) when we concentrate on one part of what we?re looking at, eg a person?s face to try and analyse what their expression is telling us. We can flick from face to face if there?s a group of people in the way that the vision mixer does to tell us the story.

 

The problem for us as viewers is that we don?t get to choose which part of the scene we want to look at, it?s decided for us. Sometimes this is done for dramatic effect, as when a character in a drama is creeping about the darkened rooms in a house where the villain is thought to be lurking. The camera holds a close-up of the face or back of the head as we are anticipating the villain to jump out or grab them from behind and we aren?t permitted to look round the room in wide shot. It was a technique powerfully used in Silence of The Lambs where detective Clarice Starling, brilliantly played by Jodie Foster, is in the darkened house with the murderer tracking her movements with night vision goggles while all we see is her face.

 

The other example of having our attention fixed away from what we would choose, is the current fashion for focussing on the foreground in a wide shot where the point of interest is in the background. It happened recently on the London news on BBC1 where the people talking were in the background and the camera was showing a low angle wide shot featuring a leaf lying on the ground which had nothing to do with the story. That kind of thing happens a lot and we?ve commented on it before. It makes me wonder if there was anything we did that we thought artistic and innovative and were feeling waggy-tailed about, while our predecessors were shaking their heads in disbelief or exasperation,

 

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The fallacy of that argument is that your brain keeps your eyes locked on the target; assuming you are not falling down the stairs say, and if you glance around it edits out the blur of the change, effectively ?cutting? 

I have one eye that has become a bit slow to respond to head movement, it can?t fully cancel out a bumpy road for example, and that just shows (me) how we can normally take our personal steadicam totally for granted. That?s what makes wobbly hand held unreal. Being ?in there? and part of the action is an appealing concept but wobbly isn?t what happens.

Peter Fox


On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

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I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like they should.

 

Anyone watch The Gulf on the Drama Channel? Wobbly cam on that far too obvious. And I needed to subtitles to follow the important dialogue - a combination of unfamiliar accents and mumbled dialogue.  But well worth a watch. A sort of far side of the world Shetland.

On 07/12/2021 21:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

I made a half hour documentary that had to be hand held (not for style but for expediency), but I did one sit down interview. It stood out like a sore thumb, because it was rock steady. I reshot it hand held.

The meal was with a Chinese family late one evening in their takeaway in Merton.  We may have had chicken feet, I don't remember, though I doubt that takeaways keep them, given the usual clientele. The other day I was in the Chinese supermarket which is part of Lotus Floating, on Millwall Dock, after a good dim sum lunch. It had a freezer full of different sorts of chicken feet, should anyone want to get hold of some.

Spider crab turned out to be a disappointment for me. An awful lot of work for not much result.  Give me a Cromer crab every time.

B

 

On 07/12/2021 21:19, techtone via Tech1 wrote:

Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld to protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in the circumstances.

 

And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a Chinese family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was happy to eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.

 

Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open the legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some sustenance out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at least twice the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling you experience only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.

 

Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks Bernie.

 

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How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays? 

And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and bottom?

Cheers,

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On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this expensive technology.   A good hobby, maybe.

I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and it's gone."    Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet.  It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal.  Did my young son and I watch it?  Of course we did.

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 15:39:16 2021
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In my recollection, though I didn?t spend a great deal of time in the tea bars and less and less as tea breaks largely tended to be phased out during the rehearse/record era, by tacit agreement Religion and Politics were subjects that seldom entered the discussion, other than in passing and that for good reason. The last thing we wanted was to get into an argument with our colleagues that might lead to ill feeling as it could easily affect how we worked together if we were feeling sore, or if preoccupied with it, it could spoil our concentration on the work in hand. I was never a fan of the expression, ?If you don?t like the heat, get out of the kitchen?, rather that we should help each other keep cool despite the heat, when we all feel the heat in different ways and need each other. For a sentimentalist like me, the song, ?Lean on Me? says it all, and I like the beautifully sung, Glee Cast version that you can find on YouTube.

 

For my part, as one with life-long religious (Christian) convictions that help me through the joys and sorrows of life and I read the Bible and I count it a privilege to be able to pray daily for family and friends in my own quiet space, although I would love others to know the same benefits that derive from it, it is for me a private matter and I won?t be asking to join the new forum.

 

May those who do, enjoy it,

 

Geoff

 

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Nothing yet missed, Mike,

This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.

Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.

I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!

I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s  being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!

Pat

 

 

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Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Dec  9 15:48:24 2021
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Even worse than wobbly hand held shots, my pet hate is the overhead shot.  Very occasionally, and I do mean extremely occasionally, it is an interesting or informative shot, but with drones, hotheads and JimmyJibs, it?s something which is cheap, easy to do and over-used. My main objection to it is that it?s an unnatural point of view. We rarely see the world that way.

I worked on Romeo & Juliette which was the first of a series of Shakespeare OBs performed on a raised stage in an empty theatre.  The easiest way to get some of the camera movements was to use a JimmyJib located in the auditorium and then rapidly swing it out of the way to allow other shots.  While the jib was kept at something approaching eye level, it worked really well, but the jib operator kept offering overhead and ultra high angle shots which the director absolutely loved, but I thought they were distracting. We had conventionally mounted cameras too, but they were massively underused. 

When we did the next Shakespeare, they had edited R&J and seen the results.  The jib was used in a much more limited fashion on that one and subsequent ones and the conventionally mounted cameras were used much more.

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> On 9 Dec 2021, at 21:01, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I think Peter is quite right that under normal circumstances we don?t normally see the world in wobbly-vision as our brains smooth it out, which is what makes wobbly-cam pictures look so unnatural and distracting. We also have the ability to view in wide angle when surveying a scene but to effectively zoom in (though not optically) when we concentrate on one part of what we?re looking at, eg a person?s face to try and analyse what their expression is telling us. We can flick from face to face if there?s a group of people in the way that the vision mixer does to tell us the story.
>  
> The problem for us as viewers is that we don?t get to choose which part of the scene we want to look at, it?s decided for us. Sometimes this is done for dramatic effect, as when a character in a drama is creeping about the darkened rooms in a house where the villain is thought to be lurking. The camera holds a close-up of the face or back of the head as we are anticipating the villain to jump out or grab them from behind and we aren?t permitted to look round the room in wide shot. It was a technique powerfully used in Silence of The Lambs where detective Clarice Starling, brilliantly played by Jodie Foster, is in the darkened house with the murderer tracking her movements with night vision goggles while all we see is her face.
>  
> The other example of having our attention fixed away from what we would choose, is the current fashion for focussing on the foreground in a wide shot where the point of interest is in the background. It happened recently on the London news on BBC1 where the people talking were in the background and the camera was showing a low angle wide shot featuring a leaf lying on the ground which had nothing to do with the story. That kind of thing happens a lot and we?ve commented on it before. It makes me wonder if there was anything we did that we thought artistic and innovative and were feeling waggy-tailed about, while our predecessors were shaking their heads in disbelief or exasperation,
>  
> Geoff
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Peter Fox via Tech1
> Sent: 09 December 2021 05:31
> To: Dave Plowman <davesound at btinternet.com>
> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Modern TVs
>  
> The fallacy of that argument is that your brain keeps your eyes locked on the target; assuming you are not falling down the stairs say, and if you glance around it edits out the blur of the change, effectively ?cutting? 
> I have one eye that has become a bit slow to respond to head movement, it can?t fully cancel out a bumpy road for example, and that just shows (me) how we can normally take our personal steadicam totally for granted. That?s what makes wobbly hand held unreal. Being ?in there? and part of the action is an appealing concept but wobbly isn?t what happens.
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like they should.
> 
>  
> 
> Anyone watch The Gulf on the Drama Channel? Wobbly cam on that far too obvious. And I needed to subtitles to follow the important dialogue - a combination of unfamiliar accents and mumbled dialogue.  But well worth a watch. A sort of far side of the world Shetland.
> 
> On 07/12/2021 21:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I made a half hour documentary that had to be hand held (not for style but for expediency), but I did one sit down interview. It stood out like a sore thumb, because it was rock steady. I reshot it hand held.
> 
> The meal was with a Chinese family late one evening in their takeaway in Merton.  We may have had chicken feet, I don't remember, though I doubt that takeaways keep them, given the usual clientele. The other day I was in the Chinese supermarket which is part of Lotus Floating, on Millwall Dock, after a good dim sum lunch. It had a freezer full of different sorts of chicken feet, should anyone want to get hold of some.
> 
> Spider crab turned out to be a disappointment for me. An awful lot of work for not much result.  Give me a Cromer crab every time.
> 
> B
> 
>  
> 
> On 07/12/2021 21:19, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld to protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in the circumstances.
>  
> And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a Chinese family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was happy to eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.
>  
> Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open the legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some sustenance out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at least twice the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling you experience only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.
>  
> Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks Bernie.
>  
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>  
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> On Tuesday, December 7th, 2021 at 14:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays?
> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and bottom?
> Cheers,
> N.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
> 
> 
> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this expensive technology.   A good hobby, maybe.
> 
> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and it's gone."    Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet.  It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal.  Did my young son and I watch it?  Of course we did.
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 16:02:27 2021
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Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 22:02:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening
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Hi Doug,

While I felt I had to express an opinion on the subject of the new forum, I hope I didn?t annoy you or anyone by posting it in the wider forum and I plan to say no more,

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Doug Puddifoot via Tech1
Sent: 09 December 2021 20:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening

 

People posting to "Discuss" are also posting to Tech1. Please don't. I also  do not want it.

Doug



On 9 December 2021, at 19:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



Please ensure that the discuss stuff doesn?t come to me.  

Thanks. 

Nick.

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On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? 

Nothing yet missed, Mike,

This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.

Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.

I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!

I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s  being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!

Pat

 

 

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From: Mike Giles via Discuss <mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 09 December 2021 17:56
To: discuss at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: [Discuss] Good evening

 

Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?

 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Dec  9 16:30:19 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 22:30:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening
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Apologies, I was merely replying to Pat's message and it wasn't meant to 
go to the 'argumentative' forum! I agree with 'Bernie's Law' that we 
shouldn't get into religion or politics, annoying though the subjects 
may be! Religion has caused as much trouble in the world as politics so 
both should be banned! Sorry, Geoff. Cheers, Dave

On 09/12/2021 19:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I think that political party whipping (as opposed to the other 
> 'pleasurable' sort for Eton schoolboys!) should be outlawed and let 
> MPs vote according to their conscience. Cheers, Dave
>
> On 09/12/2021 18:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Nothing yet missed, Mike,
>>
>> This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and 
>> politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the 
>> tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.
>>
>> Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we 
>> are supposed to be a country of free speech.
>>
>> I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the 
>> Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and 
>> proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!
>>
>> I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s ?being forced by the whips 
>> to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the 
>> electorate voted them in for? Or was it!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>> *From: *Mike Giles via Discuss <mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *09 December 2021 17:56
>> *To: *discuss at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject: *[Discuss] Good evening
>>
>> Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed 
>> so far?
>>
>> Mike G
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Dec  9 16:34:41 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 22:34:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Circlorama
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We went to the Circlorama cinema in Trafalgar Square many years ago and 
it was an interesting experience to say the least, shot from the roof of 
a train etc. but how you could stand for the length of a normal feature 
film is beyond me, especially now! Cheers, Dave

On 09/12/2021 11:56, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> When I was about 12, I was amused to observe the opposite of this.
>
> My father took me to a demonstration of Circlorama. It was a fairly small circular auditorium with maybe a dozen screens around the perimeter so that you see a 360? view. The audience stand in the middle and there was a multi channel audio system too. Heaven knows how it was all synchronised, no doubt it was down to the magic of sprockets.
>
> The whole thing seemed to be Russian in origin and one sequence was shot on a boat at sea.  It was quite choppy and the camera was bobbing around with the motion of the boat.  It amused me to notice that the audience were swaying in order to maintain their balance.  I then noticed that I too was swaying.
>
> My other memory of it was that there were dreadful grading issues ( although I didn?t know about grading in those days ) from one screen to another and it looked really bizzarre when a yacht with white sails turned into a yacht with cream sails and then into a yacht with light blue sails as it passed us
>
> Even as a naive pre-teen, I deduced that Circlorama was little more than a curious gimmick and was most definitely not the future of cinema, which some of its proponents would have had you believe..
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>> On 9 Dec 2021, at 10:31, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Dec  9 18:11:21 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 00:11:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Discuss]  Good evening
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Thanks for the credit Mike! Cheers, Dave.

On 10/12/2021 00:04, Mike Giles via Discuss wrote:
> ?In fact, I think it was Dave Mundy who mentioned political whipping.
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 10 Dec 2021, at 00:00, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I thoroughly agree, Pat, that all voting should be on the grounds of 
>> conscience and determined by each individual MP. Those MPs are 
>> supposedly elected on the basis of their personal strengths, (it?s 
>> not that long ago that ballot papers didn?t show the party allegiance 
>> of candidates) but I think it unlikely that many voters make that 
>> judgement, and simply vote for their preferred party. And then, of 
>> course, we should be using a system of proportional representation - 
>> if it was good enough for MEPs, then why not MPs? It really is 
>> ridiculous that at any one time, the party in power will probably 
>> have received fewer than fifty per cent of votes cast.
>>
>> The problem is that having achieved power by the first past the post 
>> system, no party is likely to throw that away willingly.
>>
>> Mike G
>>
>>> On 9 Dec 2021, at 22:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Hi Doug,
>>>
>>> While I felt I had to express an opinion on the subject of the new 
>>> forum, I hope I didn?t annoy you or anyone by posting it in the 
>>> wider forum and I plan to say no more,
>>>
>>> *Geoff*
>>>
>>> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Doug 
>>> Puddifoot via Tech1
>>> *Sent:* 09 December 2021 20:08
>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening
>>>
>>> People posting to "Discuss" are also posting to Tech1. Please don't. 
>>> I also? do not want it.
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 December 2021, at 19:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please ensure that the discuss stuff doesn?t come to me.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> Nick.
>>>
>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1
>>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>     ?
>>>
>>>     Nothing yet missed, Mike,
>>>
>>>     This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and
>>>     politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about
>>>     in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate
>>>     themselves.
>>>
>>>     Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site,
>>>     but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.
>>>
>>>     I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the
>>>     Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant
>>>     and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!
>>>
>>>     I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s ?being forced by the
>>>     whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that
>>>     is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!
>>>
>>>     Pat
>>>
>>>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>>>     for Windows
>>>
>>>     *From: *Mike Giles via Discuss <mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>     *Sent: *09 December 2021 17:56
>>>     *To: *discuss at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>     *Subject: *[Discuss] Good evening
>>>
>>>     Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I
>>>     missed so far?
>>>
>>>     Mike G
>>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Dec 10 03:05:54 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:05:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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Star fiters?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 9 Dec 2021, at 21:00, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The other example of having our attention fixed away from what we would choose, is the current fashion for focussing on the foreground in a wide shot where the point of interest is in the background. It happened recently on the London news on BBC1 where the people talking were in the background and the camera was showing a low angle wide shot featuring a leaf lying on the ground which had nothing to do with the story. That kind of thing happens a lot and we?ve commented on it before. It makes me wonder if there was anything we did that we thought artistic and innovative and were feeling waggy-tailed about, while our predecessors were shaking their heads in disbelief or exasperation,
> 



From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Dec 10 03:36:33 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:36:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Modern TVs
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My apologies for not noticing that my autocorrect had added an unwanted ?te? at the end of Juliet in my previous email.  I think it now favours that particular spelling as we have a Juliette in our social circle. 

On the other hand the autocorrect has usefully learned lots of technical words and abbreviations without me having to tell it to learn them. I just need to be more careful with proof reading before sending.

Alan Taylor

> On 9 Dec 2021, at 21:48, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Even worse than wobbly hand held shots, my pet hate is the overhead shot.  Very occasionally, and I do mean extremely occasionally, it is an interesting or informative shot, but with drones, hotheads and JimmyJibs, it?s something which is cheap, easy to do and over-used. My main objection to it is that it?s an unnatural point of view. We rarely see the world that way.
> 
> I worked on Romeo & Juliette which was the first of a series of Shakespeare OBs performed on a raised stage in an empty theatre.  The easiest way to get some of the camera movements was to use a JimmyJib located in the auditorium and then rapidly swing it out of the way to allow other shots.  While the jib was kept at something approaching eye level, it worked really well, but the jib operator kept offering overhead and ultra high angle shots which the director absolutely loved, but I thought they were distracting. We had conventionally mounted cameras too, but they were massively underused. 
> 
> When we did the next Shakespeare, they had edited R&J and seen the results.  The jib was used in a much more limited fashion on that one and subsequent ones and the conventionally mounted cameras were used much more.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 9 Dec 2021, at 21:01, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> I think Peter is quite right that under normal circumstances we don?t normally see the world in wobbly-vision as our brains smooth it out, which is what makes wobbly-cam pictures look so unnatural and distracting. We also have the ability to view in wide angle when surveying a scene but to effectively zoom in (though not optically) when we concentrate on one part of what we?re looking at, eg a person?s face to try and analyse what their expression is telling us. We can flick from face to face if there?s a group of people in the way that the vision mixer does to tell us the story.
>>  
>> The problem for us as viewers is that we don?t get to choose which part of the scene we want to look at, it?s decided for us. Sometimes this is done for dramatic effect, as when a character in a drama is creeping about the darkened rooms in a house where the villain is thought to be lurking. The camera holds a close-up of the face or back of the head as we are anticipating the villain to jump out or grab them from behind and we aren?t permitted to look round the room in wide shot. It was a technique powerfully used in Silence of The Lambs where detective Clarice Starling, brilliantly played by Jodie Foster, is in the darkened house with the murderer tracking her movements with night vision goggles while all we see is her face.
>>  
>> The other example of having our attention fixed away from what we would choose, is the current fashion for focussing on the foreground in a wide shot where the point of interest is in the background. It happened recently on the London news on BBC1 where the people talking were in the background and the camera was showing a low angle wide shot featuring a leaf lying on the ground which had nothing to do with the story. That kind of thing happens a lot and we?ve commented on it before. It makes me wonder if there was anything we did that we thought artistic and innovative and were feeling waggy-tailed about, while our predecessors were shaking their heads in disbelief or exasperation,
>>  
>> Geoff
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Peter Fox via Tech1
>> Sent: 09 December 2021 05:31
>> To: Dave Plowman <davesound at btinternet.com>
>> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Modern TVs
>>  
>> The fallacy of that argument is that your brain keeps your eyes locked on the target; assuming you are not falling down the stairs say, and if you glance around it edits out the blur of the change, effectively ?cutting? 
>> I have one eye that has become a bit slow to respond to head movement, it can?t fully cancel out a bumpy road for example, and that just shows (me) how we can normally take our personal steadicam totally for granted. That?s what makes wobbly hand held unreal. Being ?in there? and part of the action is an appealing concept but wobbly isn?t what happens.
>> 
>> Peter Fox
>> 
>> On 8 Dec 2021, at 14:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I must be rare in that I like hand held. But with the proviso that if you notice it - it's overdone. The idea is your head and eyes are never perfectly still, so rock steady pictures don't involve you in a drama like they should.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Anyone watch The Gulf on the Drama Channel? Wobbly cam on that far too obvious. And I needed to subtitles to follow the important dialogue - a combination of unfamiliar accents and mumbled dialogue.  But well worth a watch. A sort of far side of the world Shetland.
>> 
>> On 07/12/2021 21:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I made a half hour documentary that had to be hand held (not for style but for expediency), but I did one sit down interview. It stood out like a sore thumb, because it was rock steady. I reshot it hand held.
>> 
>> The meal was with a Chinese family late one evening in their takeaway in Merton.  We may have had chicken feet, I don't remember, though I doubt that takeaways keep them, given the usual clientele. The other day I was in the Chinese supermarket which is part of Lotus Floating, on Millwall Dock, after a good dim sum lunch. It had a freezer full of different sorts of chicken feet, should anyone want to get hold of some.
>> 
>> Spider crab turned out to be a disappointment for me. An awful lot of work for not much result.  Give me a Cromer crab every time.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On 07/12/2021 21:19, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> Great idea Nick, I'd be more than happy to lose some 'resolution' around the outer edges of the picture to stabilise the image. At one point in my career I was tasked with a reshoot of a PTC because it 'wasn't wobbly enough with the last cameraman'. The poor presenter couldn't manage to do the presentation for several takes because 'he keeps moving the camera (i.e. the lens she's trying to look at) all over the place!' Not one of my favourite presenters (names withheld to protect the guilty) but I did feel a morsel of pity for her in the circumstances.
>>  
>> And wobbly pictures upset my stomach after all that Chinese takeaway I've consumed before I get home and turn the telly on. Remind me Bernie, was that the shoot where we had a meal (lunch) with a Chinese family, one of the delicacies was hen's feet? Whilst i was happy to eat said 'toes' there was precious little meat on them.
>>  
>> Reminds me of a holiday in France when we returned on Brittany Ferries, and we overnighted in St. Malo before the following day's crossing. We went out to a restaurant for our evening meal and I picked a starter of spider crab. This huge red leggy object appeared on a plate in front of me (with lots of green salad-type stuff prepared as only the French can manage). However, by the time I'd fought the beast with those nut-cracker type devices to break open the legs, and a thin pokey device to attempt to extract some sustenance out of each, I ended up with a mountain of wreckage, at least twice the size of the original beast, and that empty feeling you experience only a few minutes after a helping of Chinese grub.
>>  
>> Ah, the joys of this forum, prompting memories long buried in the recesses of my nowadays oft sluggish mound of grey matter, thanks Bernie.
>>  
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>  
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>> On Tuesday, December 7th, 2021 at 14:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> How long, I wonder, before we see a TV with Image Stabilisation to get rid of the wobbly camera operating that seems to be inevitable nowadays?
>> And, of your 4k how much is totally wasted in the black bit at top and bottom?
>> Cheers,
>> N.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Dec 2021, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Personally, I'm not at all sure that tv is actually worth all this expensive technology.   A good hobby, maybe.
>> 
>> I've been teaching students for a long time, and one of my first lectures is about storytelling - "It doesn't matter how good the actors or director or DoP or makeup was, if the story is no good - click and it's gone."    Long ago I was given a really ratty rip off VHS copy of the second Harry Potter, which hadn't come out yet.  It was a very bad third hand (at least) copy, and very illegal.  Did my young son and I watch it?  Of course we did.
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Fri Dec 10 03:54:35 2021
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:54:35 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Discuss]  Good evening
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I hope this is the right email address for this.

 

Fact is that for the last 100 years the UK has been governed by minority Governments with a few exceptions like the National Government during the war. Prof John Curtis has highlighted that the vast majority of seats never change hands and all political parties concentrate on the ?key marginals? as other seats can be taken for granted. The number of these is reducing too.

 

PR is the best way forward but our Home Secretary is currently moving a Bill through Parliament to retrench the very few areas where we do have {R (Mayors and Police Crime Commissioners).

 

Pet rant of mine!

 

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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 10 December 2021 00:11
To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening

 

Thanks for the credit Mike! Cheers, Dave. 

On 10/12/2021 00:04, Mike Giles via Discuss wrote:

?In fact, I think it was Dave Mundy who mentioned political whipping.  

 

Mike G





On 10 Dec 2021, at 00:00, Mike Giles  <mailto:mibridge at mac.com> <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:

? 

I thoroughly agree, Pat, that all voting should be on the grounds of conscience and determined by each individual MP. Those MPs are supposedly elected on the basis of their personal strengths, (it?s not that long ago that ballot papers didn?t show the party allegiance of candidates) but I think it unlikely that many voters make that judgement, and simply vote for their preferred party. And then, of course, we should be using a system of proportional representation - if it was good enough for MEPs, then why not MPs? It really is ridiculous that at any one time, the party in power will probably have received fewer than fifty per cent of votes cast. 

 

The problem is that having achieved power by the first past the post system, no party is likely to throw that away willingly. 

 

Mike G





On 9 Dec 2021, at 22:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 

Hi Doug,

While I felt I had to express an opinion on the subject of the new forum, I hope I didn?t annoy you or anyone by posting it in the wider forum and I plan to say no more,

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1  <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Doug Puddifoot via Tech1
Sent: 09 December 2021 20:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening

 

People posting to "Discuss" are also posting to Tech1. Please don't. I also  do not want it.

Doug



On 9 December 2021, at 19:07, Nick Ware via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




Please ensure that the discuss stuff doesn?t come to me.  

Thanks. 

Nick.

Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088






On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? 

Nothing yet missed, Mike,

This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.

Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.

I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!

I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s  being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!

Pat

 

 

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From: Mike Giles via Discuss <mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 09 December 2021 17:56
To: discuss at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: [Discuss] Good evening

 

Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?

 

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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Dec 10 03:57:47 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:57:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Discuss]  Good evening
In-Reply-To: <008d01d7edab$f0074dc0$d015e940$@btopenworld.com>
References: <008d01d7edab$f0074dc0$d015e940$@btopenworld.com>
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I get the firm impression that Discuss items are going to the whole forum. 

Mine G

> On 10 Dec 2021, at 09:54, jpbarlow at btopenworld.com wrote:
> 
> ?
> I hope this is the right email address for this.
>  
> Fact is that for the last 100 years the UK has been governed by minority Governments with a few exceptions like the National Government during the war. Prof John Curtis has highlighted that the vast majority of seats never change hands and all political parties concentrate on the ?key marginals? as other seats can be taken for granted. The number of these is reducing too.
>  
> PR is the best way forward but our Home Secretary is currently moving a Bill through Parliament to retrench the very few areas where we do have {R (Mayors and Police Crime Commissioners).
>  
> Pet rant of mine!
>  
> MJohnB
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: 10 December 2021 00:11
> To: Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening
>  
> Thanks for the credit Mike! Cheers, Dave.
> 
> On 10/12/2021 00:04, Mike Giles via Discuss wrote:
> ?In fact, I think it was Dave Mundy who mentioned political whipping. 
>  
> Mike G
> 
> 
> On 10 Dec 2021, at 00:00, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I thoroughly agree, Pat, that all voting should be on the grounds of conscience and determined by each individual MP. Those MPs are supposedly elected on the basis of their personal strengths, (it?s not that long ago that ballot papers didn?t show the party allegiance of candidates) but I think it unlikely that many voters make that judgement, and simply vote for their preferred party. And then, of course, we should be using a system of proportional representation - if it was good enough for MEPs, then why not MPs? It really is ridiculous that at any one time, the party in power will probably have received fewer than fifty per cent of votes cast. 
>  
> The problem is that having achieved power by the first past the post system, no party is likely to throw that away willingly. 
>  
> Mike G
> 
> 
> On 9 Dec 2021, at 22:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Doug,
> While I felt I had to express an opinion on the subject of the new forum, I hope I didn?t annoy you or anyone by posting it in the wider forum and I plan to say no more,
>  
> Geoff
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Doug Puddifoot via Tech1
> Sent: 09 December 2021 20:08
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening
>  
> People posting to "Discuss" are also posting to Tech1. Please don't. I also  do not want it.
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 December 2021, at 19:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Please ensure that the discuss stuff doesn?t come to me. 
> Thanks.
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Nothing yet missed, Mike,
> This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.
> Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.
> I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!
> I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s  being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Mike Giles via Discuss
> Sent: 09 December 2021 17:56
> To: discuss at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Discuss] Good evening
>  
> Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?
>  
> Mike G
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Dec 10 04:48:52 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:48:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  [Discuss]  Good evening
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB19818AA74D7C9604E484D3C0A7719@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <404C92E2-092A-4638-AEE5-665C97F01E51@mac.com>
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As a general rule I think it good practice to delete as much previous stuff as possible when replying on mail forums so that cross-contamination doesn?t happen (below).
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

On 10 Dec 2021, at 00:13, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Thanks for the credit Mike! Cheers, Dave.

On 10/12/2021 00:04, Mike Giles via Discuss wrote:
?In fact, I think it was Dave Mundy who mentioned political whipping.

Mike G

On 10 Dec 2021, at 00:00, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com><mailto:mibridge at mac.com> wrote:

?
I thoroughly agree, Pat, that all voting should be on the grounds of conscience and determined by each individual MP. Those MPs are supposedly elected on the basis of their personal strengths, (it?s not that long ago that ballot papers didn?t show the party allegiance of candidates) but I think it unlikely that many voters make that judgement, and simply vote for their preferred party. And then, of course, we should be using a system of proportional representation - if it was good enough for MEPs, then why not MPs? It really is ridiculous that at any one time, the party in power will probably have received fewer than fifty per cent of votes cast.

The problem is that having achieved power by the first past the post system, no party is likely to throw that away willingly.

Mike G

On 9 Dec 2021, at 22:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Hi Doug,
While I felt I had to express an opinion on the subject of the new forum, I hope I didn?t annoy you or anyone by posting it in the wider forum and I plan to say no more,

Geoff

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Doug Puddifoot via Tech1
Sent: 09 December 2021 20:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] [Discuss] Good evening


People posting to "Discuss" are also posting to Tech1. Please don't. I also  do not want it.

Doug


On 9 December 2021, at 19:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Please ensure that the discuss stuff doesn?t come to me.
Thanks.
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088


On 9 Dec 2021, at 18:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
?
Nothing yet missed, Mike,
This was, I think, initiated by me, who felt that religion and politics were likely topics that might have been bandied about in the tea-bars at TVC, but left to individuals to moderate themselves.
Quite rightly, Bernie excised those topics from the chat site, but we are supposed to be a country of free speech.
I?m always amused by the figures of speech used by MP?s in the Commons, when something is said -outwardly seemingly pleasant and proper, but you know they don?t mean a word of it!
I posted a remark earlier about party MP?s  being forced by the whips to vote according to the party line ? I don?t think that is what the electorate voted them in for? Or was it!
Pat


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From: Mike Giles via Discuss<mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 09 December 2021 17:56
To: discuss at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:discuss at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Discuss] Good evening

Bernie?s just signed me up for slanging matches - what have I missed so far?

Mike G
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 10 07:18:03 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:18:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Non-valid topics
Message-ID: <61b3538a.1c69fb81.5ebd6.b19f@mx.google.com>

I think I might have been a trifle over enthusiastic at suggesting that some topics should be allowed for discussion.
The original concept of no politics, no religion has worked well, being self-moderating, and from the short embryo period of the ?new? No-holds barred Discuss, it would seem that folks are restrained enough that it wouldn?t develop into a slanging match, although there can be strong, forceful opinions aired. Perhaps there is no need for Discuss, Bernie!
It did perpetrate some interesting views on how governments manage to get elected, and e.g. Question Time abounds with contentious arguments!
It might be worth while to consider the history behind the Reform Act of 1832, but I?m no historian.
Pat

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 10 08:42:33 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 14:42:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Admin : Politics
In-Reply-To: <f7d2b34b-8a17-e910-3baf-4e529546d363@gmail.com>
References: <7ae203b5-46fb-8030-0fd2-047b2067f18d@gmail.com>
	<9B3F0A2A-4050-4C56-B249-4FABB562DC81@me.com>
	<6bf25ada-f66f-958a-d837-92405a2228df@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<f7d2b34b-8a17-e910-3baf-4e529546d363@gmail.com>
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I seem to be getting posts with [discuss] in the subject, but the ordinary
tech-ops source.
And I've not joined that sub group.

'Announce' has a different address - is this not the case with 'discuss'? 



In article <f7d2b34b-8a17-e910-3baf-4e529546d363 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> OK -

> There's now a new list called discuss at tech-ops.co.uk . Chris, Dave, Pat 
> and Alan are already on it, though you can easily unsubscribe.  Just 
> post to the list as usual. There'll be no moderating - a bear pit for 
> all who want to join. Just ask me.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 10 11:32:57 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:32:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
Message-ID: <61b38f47.1c69fb81.d5778.ea20@mx.google.com>

Has anyone else  with a BT e-mail address been getting repeating advice that the settings are ?out of date??
I?m getting increasingly peeved at this!
Pat

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 10 12:15:30 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 18:15:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
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No, I haven?t so far.
Barry.



On 10 Dec 2021, at 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Has anyone else  with a BT e-mail address been getting repeating advice that the settings are ?out of date??
> I?m getting increasingly peeved at this!
> Pat
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 10 12:48:02 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 18:48:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <61b38f47.1c69fb81.d5778.ea20@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <691f33a2-7c92-6e3c-35e1-f56ccd6433f5@btinternet.com>

Are you configured for popbox or imap?

On 10/12/2021 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Has anyone else? with a BT e-mail address been getting repeating 
> advice that the settings are ?out of date??
>
> I?m getting increasingly peeved at this!
>
> Pat
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 10 13:00:03 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 19:00:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <691f33a2-7c92-6e3c-35e1-f56ccd6433f5@btinternet.com>
References: <61b38f47.1c69fb81.d5778.ea20@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>

Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!
My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS website, and that has worked perfectly.
It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for their Broadband & phone service!
I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining distance! Thanks for the stairlift!
Best
Pat



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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 10 December 2021 18:48
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bothersome BT

Are you configured for popbox or imap?
On 10/12/2021 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
Has anyone else? with a BT e-mail address been getting repeating advice that the settings are ?out of date??
I?m getting increasingly peeved at this!
Pat
?
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Fri Dec 10 13:04:40 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 19:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>
References: <61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FAEF1968-FC0E-4DD8-A80B-03718EB0EBA2@icloud.com>

Perhaps this is stating the obvious, but are you sure the offending emails are actually from BT?

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 10 Dec 2021, at 19:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!
> My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS website, and that has worked perfectly.
> It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for their Broadband & phone service!
> I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining distance! Thanks for the stairlift!
> Best
> Pat
>  
> 
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 10 December 2021 18:48
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
>  
> Are you configured for popbox or imap?
> 
> On 10/12/2021 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Has anyone else  with a BT e-mail address been getting repeating advice that the settings are ?out of date??
> I?m getting increasingly peeved at this!
> Pat
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 10 13:22:18 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 19:22:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>
References: <61b38f47.1c69fb81.d5778.ea20@mx.google.com>
	<691f33a2-7c92-6e3c-35e1-f56ccd6433f5@btinternet.com>
	<61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <952c4762-208b-1978-1e44-4fea0008fa39@btinternet.com>

BT mail will work with either pop or imap. Imap is the preferred one, as 
IIRC more secure. Lokk at setting on your email prog to see which you 
are using.

I have my main email address on my own domain (davesound.co.uk) hosted 
by 123-reg. They recently discontinued the popbox and changed to a mail 
box. So I'd guess others will follow.

Imap tends to be preferred these days as you leave all your mails on the 
server, so can access them from multiple devices, etc. And arrange them 
as you wish on the server (folders etc), which will then be the same on 
multiple devices.

On 10/12/2021 19:00, patheigham wrote:
>
> Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!
>
> My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS 
> website, and that has worked perfectly.
>
> It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for 
> their Broadband & phone service!
>
> I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) 
> with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining 
> distance! Thanks for the stairlift!
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
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> *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *10 December 2021 18:48
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
>
> Are you configured for popbox or imap?
>
> On 10/12/2021 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
>     Has anyone else? with a BT e-mail address been getting repeating
>     advice that the settings are ?out of date??
>
>     I?m getting increasingly peeved at this!
>
>     Pat
>
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 14:47:38 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 20:47:38 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] iPhone 6s Plus battery replacement
Message-ID: <01ca01d7ee07$2b2adc90$818095b0$@gmail.com>

To add to the question I raised earlier, I took my iPhone to the Apple store
in Regent Street this afternoon for a replacement battery, having booked the
appointment online yesterday. After running a diagnostic check on it and
being told that apart from the battery, all was well, the assistant went on
to explain how the batteries were taped to the back of the display and with
older phones it?s sometimes difficult to remove the battery without damaging
it, but not to worry as if that happened, they would replace the display as
well at no extra cost. When I collected the phone about an hour later, I was
told that that was indeed what had happened, so I have a new battery and a
new display all in at ?49.

 

I can?t remember which of us reported the same story but as others have
said, it?s worth getting the work done at an Apple store rather than a
Vape/phone shop where you don?t know what you?re getting and it may not be
much cheaper anyway. In a case like this, I doubt if they?d replace the
display as part of the bargain either,

 

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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 10 15:08:45 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 21:08:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <FAEF1968-FC0E-4DD8-A80B-03718EB0EBA2@icloud.com>
References: <61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>
	<FAEF1968-FC0E-4DD8-A80B-03718EB0EBA2@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <DB9PR08MB7049201A8DEE2C769BF91B78D0719@DB9PR08MB7049.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

On March 17th this year I reported a fault on a BT line into our property We always had two lines as it was an old farm 1 to the house and 2 to an old barn now a garage and flat/ office When BT upgraded to fibre optics house upgraded and office was copper On the 17 th BT cut the copper ! It took 10 weeks and 40 hours yes FORTY hours of phone calls to get it reinstated! It was a nightmare ! The line numbering bares no relation to phone line numbers and in the cabinet the wires were mid-numbered Open reach did not communicate with BT even though in all actuality they are the same company ( they pretend to be separate entities!) for tax and monopolies commission purposes reasons. Eventually after 10 weeks they sent an on the ground engineer in who solved the problem in less than 90 mins! It was Kafka in everything but the actual book We have water in the cabinet at the mo which is the worst crackly line ever but I am loath to complain again in case the just cut us off again! The whole system is rotten and I feel sorry for the phone operators as the system will not let them sort the problem out Regardless of how hard they try Exeter help centre are the most intelligent Falkirk the most tenacious and a women in North Yorkshire called Laura deserves a bloody medal as she was the only one out of over 109 operators who finally beat the computer system and fixed it !!! Well done that women So be careful complaining to BT you might end up in their labyrinthine computer system!!! I could have complained to ofcom but had spent too much time listening to inappropriate Music on Radio BT sarax

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Dec 2021, at 19:05, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Perhaps this is stating the obvious, but are you sure the offending emails are actually from BT?

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.

On 10 Dec 2021, at 19:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!
My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS website, and that has worked perfectly.
It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for their Broadband & phone service!
I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining distance! Thanks for the stairlift!
Best
Pat

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Sent: 10 December 2021 18:48
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bothersome BT


Are you configured for popbox or imap?
On 10/12/2021 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
Has anyone else  with a BT e-mail address been getting repeating advice that the settings are ?out of date??
I?m getting increasingly peeved at this!
Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Dec 10 16:10:56 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 22:10:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] iPhone 6s Plus battery replacement
In-Reply-To: <01ca01d7ee07$2b2adc90$818095b0$@gmail.com>
References: <01ca01d7ee07$2b2adc90$818095b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89FCC71C-3176-4F1F-AA3C-7651DAF34EC6@me.com>

Great result :-)

The staff at official Apple stores are trained to try and send you away happy.  

My ex-wife had a hairline crack developing in the hinge of her MacBook and decided to take it in before the extended guarantee expired.  They offered to replace the hinge immediately ( it took well under 60 mins ) and when I mentioned that the battery wasn?t as good as it used to be, they offered to replace that too - both f.o.c.  

My son took in an old iPhone for a replacement battery and when they didn?t have the correct battery in stock for immediate replacement, they offered him a refurbished newer model for just the standard cost of a battery replacement. 

The staff have a lot of latitude when it comes to customer service and if you?re reasonable and friendly towards them, you might be surprised how far they might go beyond their legal obligation. People who go in with an aggressive attitude don?t get the best treatment.

Alan Taylor



> On 10 Dec 2021, at 20:48, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> To add to the question I raised earlier, I took my iPhone to the Apple store in Regent Street this afternoon for a replacement battery, having booked the appointment online yesterday. After running a diagnostic check on it and being told that apart from the battery, all was well, the assistant went on to explain how the batteries were taped to the back of the display and with older phones it?s sometimes difficult to remove the battery without damaging it, but not to worry as if that happened, they would replace the display as well at no extra cost. When I collected the phone about an hour later, I was told that that was indeed what had happened, so I have a new battery and a new display all in at ?49.
>  
> I can?t remember which of us reported the same story but as others have said, it?s worth getting the work done at an Apple store rather than a Vape/phone shop where you don?t know what you?re getting and it may not be much cheaper anyway. In a case like this, I doubt if they?d replace the display as part of the bargain either,
>  
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 17:36:33 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 23:36:33 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] iPhone 6s Plus battery replacement
In-Reply-To: <89FCC71C-3176-4F1F-AA3C-7651DAF34EC6@me.com>
References: <01ca01d7ee07$2b2adc90$818095b0$@gmail.com>
	<89FCC71C-3176-4F1F-AA3C-7651DAF34EC6@me.com>
Message-ID: <001501d7ee1e$c459ad80$4d0d0880$@gmail.com>

Alan,

Nice to hear your story confirming what I found. Come to think of it, they told me today that if they couldn?t fix it with a new battery and a display that they would replace the phone with a refurbished one at no extra charge. I like that kind of service.

A few weeks ago I took my Airpods Pro to the Apple store in Watford because they were emitting a low frequency hum when the noise cancelling was on, saying I?d bought them from John Lewis last year and didn?t have the receipt with me. They muttered something about them not being under warranty and took them to their back room to test them and came back with a new pair, again no charge, despite that.  I like that kind of service and it seems to be fairly consistent.

 

It reminds me of the story from fifty years ago that you probably heard at the time, about the man who took his RR in for repair because a half-shaft had gone. When he collected it, he was told, ?Nothing to pay sir, Rolls Royce half-shafts don?t break,?

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 10 December 2021 22:11
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] iPhone 6s Plus battery replacement

 

Great result :-)

 

The staff at official Apple stores are trained to try and send you away happy.  

 

My ex-wife had a hairline crack developing in the hinge of her MacBook and decided to take it in before the extended guarantee expired.  They offered to replace the hinge immediately ( it took well under 60 mins ) and when I mentioned that the battery wasn?t as good as it used to be, they offered to replace that too - both f.o.c.  

 

My son took in an old iPhone for a replacement battery and when they didn?t have the correct battery in stock for immediate replacement, they offered him a refurbished newer model for just the standard cost of a battery replacement. 

 

The staff have a lot of latitude when it comes to customer service and if you?re reasonable and friendly towards them, you might be surprised how far they might go beyond their legal obligation. People who go in with an aggressive attitude don?t get the best treatment.

 

Alan Taylor

 

 





On 10 Dec 2021, at 20:48, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?

To add to the question I raised earlier, I took my iPhone to the Apple store in Regent Street this afternoon for a replacement battery, having booked the appointment online yesterday. After running a diagnostic check on it and being told that apart from the battery, all was well, the assistant went on to explain how the batteries were taped to the back of the display and with older phones it?s sometimes difficult to remove the battery without damaging it, but not to worry as if that happened, they would replace the display as well at no extra cost. When I collected the phone about an hour later, I was told that that was indeed what had happened, so I have a new battery and a new display all in at ?49.

 

I can?t remember which of us reported the same story but as others have said, it?s worth getting the work done at an Apple store rather than a Vape/phone shop where you don?t know what you?re getting and it may not be much cheaper anyway. In a case like this, I doubt if they?d replace the display as part of the bargain either,

 

Geoff

 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 10 18:58:21 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 00:58:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam calls
Message-ID: <2df9eb43-6348-548c-f0a8-d7dada8c327a@btinternet.com>

Whoopee! I got one of the latest scam calls today so I am now 
up-to-date! Apparently, I have won the 'Post Code Lottery'! Brilliant, 
just in time for Christmas too. A nice Indian sounding man passed on the 
good news this morning and when I told him that I had read about it in 
the papers last week he refused to believe it was a scam! Cheers, Dave



From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Dec 11 06:39:46 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 12:39:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <691f33a2-7c92-6e3c-35e1-f56ccd6433f5@btinternet.com>
References: <61b38f47.1c69fb81.d5778.ea20@mx.google.com>
	<691f33a2-7c92-6e3c-35e1-f56ccd6433f5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1f1a294c-e3d0-656e-7a27-1e13c81ee729@btinternet.com>

BT mail will work with either pop or imap. Imap is the preferred one, as 
IIRC more secure. Look at setting on your email prog to see which you 
are using.

I have my main email address on my own domain (davesound.co.uk) hosted 
by 123-reg. They recently discontinued the popbox and changed to a mail 
box. So I'd guess others will follow.

Imap tends to be preferred these days as you leave all your mails on the 
server, so can access them from multiple devices, etc. And arrange them 
as you wish on the server (folders etc), which will then be the same on 
multiple devices.

On 10/12/2021 19:00, patheigham wrote:

Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!

My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS 
website, and that has worked perfectly.

It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for 
their Broadband & phone service!

I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) 
with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining 
distance! Thanks for the stairlift!

Best

Pat

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Dec 11 07:49:21 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 13:49:21 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>
References: <61b38f47.1c69fb81.d5778.ea20@mx.google.com>
	<691f33a2-7c92-6e3c-35e1-f56ccd6433f5@btinternet.com>
	<61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <59992cbf59davesound@btinternet.com>

How are you sending emails, since you mention BT?

That is the SMTP side. If you are sending via mail.btinternet.com but
using your @amps.net address. you may well be getting funnies. If amps.net
have their own SMTP server, ignore this. But if it has, all BT are doing
is supplying the line.

It never used to matter - but things appear to be tightening up now. Email
not being as important as once.  

In article <61b3a3b3.1c69fb81.1f454.b051 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those! My AMPS address was set up by a
> good friend who organised the AMPS website, and that has worked
> perfectly. It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the
> nose for their Broadband & phone service!

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Dec 11 17:37:18 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 23:37:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam calls
Message-ID: <bcfc3b85-e29d-cc89-8d09-898b7b7dc3a4@btinternet.com>

 ?I do get a call every day from 'BT Open Reach' about my router and the 
problems it keeps reporting! Strangely, the call centre numbers are 
never recognised and the nice Indian accented people have English 
Christian names! Plus, the added bonus of one from the Post Code Lottery 
(also Indian accented, which I have just won!) and my washing machine 
warranty is running out as well (which I can extend!)- I am really in 
trouble! Cheers, Dave



From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Dec 12 01:57:31 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 07:57:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Scam calls
In-Reply-To: <bcfc3b85-e29d-cc89-8d09-898b7b7dc3a4@btinternet.com>
References: <bcfc3b85-e29d-cc89-8d09-898b7b7dc3a4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5E6FD5DE-0461-4CC1-9869-8E678C1F4247@mac.com>

Just try taking Calgon, Dave. Apparently it makes washing machines last longer, so it might do the same for you?!

Mike G

> On 11 Dec 2021, at 23:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I do get a call every day from 'BT Open Reach' about my router and the problems it keeps reporting! Strangely, the call centre numbers are never recognised and the nice Indian accented people have English Christian names! Plus, the added bonus of one from the Post Code Lottery (also Indian accented, which I have just won!) and my washing machine warranty is running out as well (which I can extend!)- I am really in trouble! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Dec 12 09:54:38 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 15:54:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Warranties
In-Reply-To: <5E6FD5DE-0461-4CC1-9869-8E678C1F4247@mac.com>
References: <bcfc3b85-e29d-cc89-8d09-898b7b7dc3a4@btinternet.com>
	<5E6FD5DE-0461-4CC1-9869-8E678C1F4247@mac.com>
Message-ID: <014c93f1-9b36-3fad-74e2-5a7c1ffd885d@btinternet.com>

Thanks Mike, useful as ever! The laugh is that I haven't paid for a 
warranty on any appliance as I always fix them myself and the scammer 
couldn't tell me the make of my machine especially when I said I had 
two, so which warranty was running out? Cheers, Dave

On 12/12/2021 07:57, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> Just try taking Calgon, Dave. Apparently it makes washing machines last longer, so it might do the same for you?!
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 11 Dec 2021, at 23:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? I do get a call every day from 'BT Open Reach' about my router and the problems it keeps reporting! Strangely, the call centre numbers are never recognised and the nice Indian accented people have English Christian names! Plus, the added bonus of one from the Post Code Lottery (also Indian accented, which I have just won!) and my washing machine warranty is running out as well (which I can extend!)- I am really in trouble! Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Dec 12 12:37:29 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 18:37:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Warranties
In-Reply-To: <014c93f1-9b36-3fad-74e2-5a7c1ffd885d@btinternet.com>
References: <bcfc3b85-e29d-cc89-8d09-898b7b7dc3a4@btinternet.com>
	<5E6FD5DE-0461-4CC1-9869-8E678C1F4247@mac.com>
	<014c93f1-9b36-3fad-74e2-5a7c1ffd885d@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <61b6416a.1c69fb81.7c161.698a@mx.google.com>

Yep, I got a scam call, saying my warranty was expiring. My question was, what appliances are covered. Flannelling answer ? maybe a fridge freezer, washing machine etc. I retaliated by telling him that I had no fridge freezer, and no washing machine and my cooker had been condemned!
End of call!
My other answer would be to ask them to ?stay on the line, this call is being forwarded to Action Fraud UK? Not used that one yet, but dying to do so.
I usually try a ring back, but get the recorded message of ?number not recognised? ? therefore a borrowed or scamming exercise. I feel sorry for elderly, vulnerable people who get taken in.
Pat
P.S. this is the real me!


Sent from Mail for Windows

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 12 December 2021 15:56
To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Warranties

Thanks Mike, useful as ever! The laugh is that I haven't paid for a 
warranty on any appliance as I always fix them myself and the scammer 
couldn't tell me the make of my machine especially when I said I had 
two, so which warranty was running out? Cheers, Dave

On 12/12/2021 07:57, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> Just try taking Calgon, Dave. Apparently it makes washing machines last longer, so it might do the same for you?!
>
> Mike G



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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Dec 12 12:49:00 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 18:49:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Warranties
In-Reply-To: <61b6416a.1c69fb81.7c161.698a@mx.google.com>
References: <61b6416a.1c69fb81.7c161.698a@mx.google.com>
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I like the way my wife deals with scam calls.  She generall answers her phone by simply saying ?Hello?,  if there is a pause, robot voice or Indian accent, she repeats ?Allo? but with a distinct accent and a rising inflection.  All further talk is then done rapidly in German and although I don?t speak much German, I?m able to pick out a few unflattering profanities and terms of abuse.  For some reason they hang up quite swiftly.


Alan Taylor



> On 12 Dec 2021, at 18:38, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Yep, I got a scam call, saying my warranty was expiring. My question was, what appliances are covered. Flannelling answer ? maybe a fridge freezer, washing machine etc. I retaliated by telling him that I had no fridge freezer, and no washing machine and my cooker had been condemned!
> End of call!
> My other answer would be to ask them to ?stay on the line, this call is being forwarded to Action Fraud UK? Not used that one yet, but dying to do so.
> I usually try a ring back, but get the recorded message of ?number not recognised? ? therefore a borrowed or scamming exercise. I feel sorry for elderly, vulnerable people who get taken in.
> Pat
> P.S. this is the real me!
>  
> <B6E1B40CE7334FE793F819BC4F1F792F.jpg>
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: 12 December 2021 15:56
> To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Warranties
>  
> Thanks Mike, useful as ever! The laugh is that I haven't paid for a
> warranty on any appliance as I always fix them myself and the scammer
> couldn't tell me the make of my machine especially when I said I had
> two, so which warranty was running out? Cheers, Dave
>  
> On 12/12/2021 07:57, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> > Just try taking Calgon, Dave. Apparently it makes washing machines last longer, so it might do the same for you?!
> > 
> > Mike G
>  
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Dec 12 13:19:48 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 19:19:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Warranties
In-Reply-To: <128291DB-00D1-457B-9484-3FE36CBD001D@me.com>
References: <128291DB-00D1-457B-9484-3FE36CBD001D@me.com>
Message-ID: <44D4D6A5-082A-474F-89DA-461F3F5D24A4@me.com>

Friends of ours run a picture framing business in Warwick, and she usually answers these calls with  " I'm sorry we're in the middle of our Satanic ritual at the moment, (then turns away from the receiver) -  'Roger, I've told you before, put that goat down!'

Doesn't stop the calls, but makes her feel better....

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 12 Dec 2021, at 18:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I like the way my wife deals with scam calls.  She generall answers her phone by simply saying ?Hello?,  if there is a pause, robot voice or Indian accent, she repeats ?Allo? but with a distinct accent and a rising inflection.  All further talk is then done rapidly in German and although I don?t speak much German, I?m able to pick out a few unflattering profanities and terms of abuse.  For some reason they hang up quite swiftly.
> 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 12 Dec 2021, at 18:38, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Yep, I got a scam call, saying my warranty was expiring. My question was, what appliances are covered. Flannelling answer ? maybe a fridge freezer, washing machine etc. I retaliated by telling him that I had no fridge freezer, and no washing machine and my cooker had been condemned!
>> End of call!
>> My other answer would be to ask them to ?stay on the line, this call is being forwarded to Action Fraud UK? Not used that one yet, but dying to do so.
>> I usually try a ring back, but get the recorded message of ?number not recognised? ? therefore a borrowed or scamming exercise. I feel sorry for elderly, vulnerable people who get taken in.
>> Pat
>> P.S. this is the real me!
>>  
>> <B6E1B40CE7334FE793F819BC4F1F792F.jpg>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>  
>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: 12 December 2021 15:56
>> To: Mike Giles; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Warranties
>>  
>> Thanks Mike, useful as ever! The laugh is that I haven't paid for a
>> warranty on any appliance as I always fix them myself and the scammer
>> couldn't tell me the make of my machine especially when I said I had
>> two, so which warranty was running out? Cheers, Dave
>>  
>> On 12/12/2021 07:57, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>> > Just try taking Calgon, Dave. Apparently it makes washing machines last longer, so it might do the same for you?!
>> > 
>> > Mike G
>>  
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Dec 12 15:10:23 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:10:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Stan Appell
Message-ID: <61b66541.1c69fb81.47e5b.b78e@mx.google.com>

Is Stan Appell still with us, if so, anyone got an e-mail address for him?

Pat

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 15:11:56 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:11:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Warranties
In-Reply-To: <61b6416a.1c69fb81.7c161.698a@mx.google.com>
References: <bcfc3b85-e29d-cc89-8d09-898b7b7dc3a4@btinternet.com>
	<5E6FD5DE-0461-4CC1-9869-8E678C1F4247@mac.com>
	<014c93f1-9b36-3fad-74e2-5a7c1ffd885d@btinternet.com>
	<61b6416a.1c69fb81.7c161.698a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <aff7ad7f-0bb2-2546-ad6d-8cc464df6fcc@gmail.com>

My wife likes top loader washing machines, and we've had our Whirlpool 
since the mid nineties - slightly out of warranty now. if I can be 
bothered I ask what machine they think I have and they go away.

These machines have been made continuously and pretty much the same 
since the mid eighties, apart from going to an electronic timer at some 
point. They come apart easily, and parts are cheap. Years ago the 
agitator in ours stopped agitating and a wander through YouTube brought 
up a Texan gentleman who said "If your agitator isn't agitating, it's 
your dawgs". Indeed it was - there are two dog clutches inside that can 
wear out. Undo a big bolt, and replace for ?12.

B



On 12/12/2021 18:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Yep, I got a scam call, saying my warranty was expiring. My question 
> was, what appliances are covered. Flannelling answer ? /maybe/ a 
> fridge freezer, washing machine etc. I retaliated by telling him that 
> I had no fridge freezer, and no washing machine and my cooker had been 
> condemned!
>
> End of call!
>
> My other answer would be to ask them to ?stay on the line, this call 
> is being forwarded to Action Fraud UK? Not used that one yet, but 
> dying to do so.
>
> I usually try a ring back, but get the recorded message of ?number not 
> recognised? ? therefore a borrowed or scamming exercise. I feel sorry 
> for elderly, vulnerable people who get taken in.
>
> Pat
>
> P.S. this _is_ the real me!
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *12 December 2021 15:56
> *To: *Mike Giles <mailto:mibridge at mac.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Warranties
>
> Thanks Mike, useful as ever! The laugh is that I haven't paid for a
>
> warranty on any appliance as I always fix them myself and the scammer
>
> couldn't tell me the make of my machine especially when I said I had
>
> two, so which warranty was running out? Cheers, Dave
>
> On 12/12/2021 07:57, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>
> > Just try taking Calgon, Dave. Apparently it makes washing machines 
> last longer, so it might do the same for you?!
>
> >
>
> > Mike G
>
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 12 15:14:40 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 21:14:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Stan Appell
In-Reply-To: <61b66541.1c69fb81.47e5b.b78e@mx.google.com>
References: <61b66541.1c69fb81.47e5b.b78e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <b02ec2fb-d8c7-4e13-dcc0-730577b6710a@ntlworld.com>

He is, and one of his addresses is on this list.?? He is also active on 
Facebook

B



On 12/12/2021 21:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Is Stan Appell still with us, if so, anyone got an e-mail address for him?
>
> Pat
>
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> Windows
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Dec 13 03:50:32 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:50:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <1f1a294c-e3d0-656e-7a27-1e13c81ee729@btinternet.com>
References: <61b38f47.1c69fb81.d5778.ea20@mx.google.com>
	<691f33a2-7c92-6e3c-35e1-f56ccd6433f5@btinternet.com>
	<1f1a294c-e3d0-656e-7a27-1e13c81ee729@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <A4C304BA-D99D-4B66-B167-537267786BB8@btinternet.com>

Dear All

To comment on scripts being important to a production I would like to add my observations

As has been said, the script story is vital but the writing itself is equally important as we can see by various versions of the same thing in classical literature including Shakespeare.

The team in my view is vitally important and with the right mix can bring order from chaos. 

Take the classic Casablanca: This had various re-edits and revisions with daily script pages being added and the artists and crew with no idea what might follow. A Map sequence at the beginning to let people know where Casablanca is was inserted late in the edit.
The Chemistry between Ingrid Bergman and Bogart was also important but as she was taller than him he had like Allan Ladd had to stand on a box. Size is important especially in the classic Elf, where a new ending was added and a whole lot of trick photography and boxes are in handy again. The producer had to fight for the casting too. ?Genevieve? a film about the Vintage Brighton Run was regarded and something that was quaint, but not that special. With the magic of Kay Kendal, Grigson and Vintage cars was a smash hit in the 50?s, huh to everyone?s surprise

So, as has been written previously the whole setup from casting to the edit, not to mention money, make a movie and TV production.

Just thought I?d say, as I have worked with special crews to whom I?m forever grateful and the awards that I have is due in every area to them.

Albert

> On 11 Dec 2021, at 12:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> BT mail will work with either pop or imap. Imap is the preferred one, as IIRC more secure. Look at setting on your email prog to see which you are using.
> 
> I have my main email address on my own domain (davesound.co.uk) hosted by 123-reg. They recently discontinued the popbox and changed to a mail box. So I'd guess others will follow.
> 
> Imap tends to be preferred these days as you leave all your mails on the server, so can access them from multiple devices, etc. And arrange them as you wish on the server (folders etc), which will then be the same on multiple devices.
> On 10/12/2021 19:00, patheigham wrote:
> Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!
> 
> My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS website, and that has worked perfectly.
> 
> It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for their Broadband & phone service!
> 
> I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining distance! Thanks for the stairlift!
> 
> Best
> 
> Pat
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Dec 13 04:46:41 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 10:46:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
In-Reply-To: <A4C304BA-D99D-4B66-B167-537267786BB8@btinternet.com>
References: <A4C304BA-D99D-4B66-B167-537267786BB8@btinternet.com>
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Script editing is one of many jobs where if you get it right nobody notices, but if you mess it up, it affects everybody.

I work on a drama series which was adapted from a classic novel and might best remain anonymous.  The script was a pretty good adaption of the book, but there was a serious disconnect between the timings envisaged by the script editor and the length of time each scene lasted once it was shot.

The director also worked at the slower end of the efficiency spectrum, lengthy over runs were the norm most days and there was an extra two weeks of additional shooting beyond the scheduled finish date.

When the first rough cut was finished, 50 min episodes were running about 70 mins. You can only cut so much out before you lose important plot points. At the dub, I asked the director why one actor was carrying a piece of paper which was prominently featured in shot. I was told that it was the note given to her earlier by the villain, but I and the viewers were unaware of that because that scene ended up on the cutting room floor to get the duration of the episode down to 50 mins.

Vast amounts of lovingly shot material was discarded.  If we had shot only the scenes which ended up on the screen, we would have finished the shoot early and under budget.

One of the things I enjoyed about drama was that it was an immensely collaborative effort.  It requires loads of things to go right at once. Any problem in one department messes up the overall result, so everybody is motivated to work to the best of their ability. On the other hand, you sometimes get serendipitous things happening where absolute magic happens.

An excellent example of that was when shooting Box of Delights.  The story happens around Christmas Eve and it needed snow. The director did his research and the chosen location was the part of Scotland most likely to have deep snow in January. We arrived to find there was no snow for miles around. They even arranged to get expensive snow machines sent up from England. Then overnight, before the first day of shooting, it snowed and my word did it snow! The scanner was one of the last vehicles to get past Scotch Corner before the road closed. The  catering vehicles and the snow machines didn?t get through and were stuck there for several days.

The first shots we did were of pristine powder snow, knee deep.  The sky was clear and blue and there was no wind.  The roads were mostly impassable, so there was no passing traffic and the voices of the actors carried in way I?ve never experienced before.

It was the most amazing stroke of luck and those sequences were magical for the viewers.  As far as team work was concerned, the rigger drivers were amazing for getting the trucks to site. The production team were nimble and fast to adapt to circumstances. The lack of caterers meant that the unit hotel had to feed everybody, but they are not used to feeding 50 people in 30 mins. On top of that it was only daylight between 10:00 and 14:30 and we spent an hour of that having lunch.  The crew proposed working continuously through the daylight the next day and then getting fed when the light faded.  The production team were delighted, but would never have dared to ask for such a thing at the start of a long shoot.

Alan Taylor

> On 13 Dec 2021, at 09:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Dear All
> 
> To comment on scripts being important to a production I would like to add my observations
> 
> As has been said, the script story is vital but the writing itself is equally important as we can see by various versions of the same thing in classical literature including Shakespeare.
> 
> The team in my view is vitally important and with the right mix can bring order from chaos. 
> 
> Take the classic Casablanca: This had various re-edits and revisions with daily script pages being added and the artists and crew with no idea what might follow. A Map sequence at the beginning to let people know where Casablanca is was inserted late in the edit.
> The Chemistry between Ingrid Bergman and Bogart was also important but as she was taller than him he had like Allan Ladd had to stand on a box. Size is important especially in the classic Elf, where a new ending was added and a whole lot of trick photography and boxes are in handy again. The producer had to fight for the casting too. ?Genevieve? a film about the Vintage Brighton Run was regarded and something that was quaint, but not that special. With the magic of Kay Kendal, Grigson and Vintage cars was a smash hit in the 50?s, huh to everyone?s surprise
> 
> So, as has been written previously the whole setup from casting to the edit, not to mention money, make a movie and TV production.
> 
> Just thought I?d say, as I have worked with special crews to whom I?m forever grateful and the awards that I have is due in every area to them.
> 
> Albert
> 
>> On 11 Dec 2021, at 12:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> BT mail will work with either pop or imap. Imap is the preferred one, as IIRC more secure. Look at setting on your email prog to see which you are using.
>> 
>> I have my main email address on my own domain (davesound.co.uk) hosted by 123-reg. They recently discontinued the popbox and changed to a mail box. So I'd guess others will follow.
>> 
>> Imap tends to be preferred these days as you leave all your mails on the server, so can access them from multiple devices, etc. And arrange them as you wish on the server (folders etc), which will then be the same on multiple devices.
>> 
>> On 10/12/2021 19:00, patheigham wrote:
>> Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!
>> 
>> My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS website, and that has worked perfectly.
>> 
>> It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for their Broadband & phone service!
>> 
>> I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining distance! Thanks for the stairlift!
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 05:10:44 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:10:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Script timings
Message-ID: <29decd1f-d2a1-727f-4c26-84439637675e@gmail.com>

HI All,

One of the things that really impressed me when we were doing 
live/as-live theatrical style multi-camera productions in the 1960s was 
the ability of a production to run to time.? Yes, OK, there were times 
after the first run through when things might seem to be a bit tight - 
there was the regular call from certain FMs on certain drama productions 
"Pacey! Pacey!".

The only time that I recall when we had a "problem" was one live "Softly 
Softly" during a period when the technical staff were in dispute and 
were instructed that all programmes were to run to time and the plugs 
would be pulled immediately that the scripted/planned time was up: in 
this case, it meant that studio TC3 would be taken off air at 21:00 
regardless.? Everyone "upped their game" as it were, and that episode 
ran under time by nearly five minutes, IIRC.

On sit coms, the run throughs always ran five minutes shorter than the 
programme was meant to last - mainly because no one laughed at the 
jokes.? Come transmission, with a nicely warmed-up audience, those five 
minutes were absorbed by the applause and laughter, and the actors 
knowing exactly when to continue.


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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 05:32:32 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:32:32 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Script timings
In-Reply-To: <29decd1f-d2a1-727f-4c26-84439637675e@gmail.com>
References: <29decd1f-d2a1-727f-4c26-84439637675e@gmail.com>
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Alec

Sure it was Softly?  The two seasons of live episodes went out at 8 to 8:50pm and the daily PasB logs don?t note any short episodes.

There was an April 1963 Z Cars (Birds of the Air) that under-ran by several minutes on transmission though. Sydney Newman was furious.

David



From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, December 13, 2021 11:10 AM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: [Tech1] Script timings

HI All,

One of the things that really impressed me when we were doing live/as-live theatrical style multi-camera productions in the 1960s was the ability of a production to run to time.  Yes, OK, there were times after the first run through when things might seem to be a bit tight - there was the regular call from certain FMs on certain drama productions "Pacey! Pacey!".  


The only time that I recall when we had a "problem" was one live "Softly Softly" during a period when the technical staff were in dispute and were instructed that all programmes were to run to time and the plugs would be pulled immediately that the scripted/planned time was up: in this case, it meant that studio TC3 would be taken off air at 21:00 regardless.  Everyone "upped their game" as it were, and that episode ran under time by nearly five minutes, IIRC.


On sit coms, the run throughs always ran five minutes shorter than the programme was meant to last - mainly because no one laughed at the jokes.  Come transmission, with a nicely warmed-up audience, those five minutes were absorbed by the applause and laughter, and the actors knowing exactly when to continue.  




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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Dec 13 08:23:46 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:23:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bothersome BT
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Nice to get this reply but there are a number of points worth mentioning. AB

> On 13 Dec 2021, at 10:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Script editing is one of many jobs where if you get it right nobody notices, but if you mess it up, it affects everybody.
> 
> I work on a drama series which was adapted from a classic novel and might best remain anonymous.  The script was a pretty good adaption of the book, but there was a serious disconnect between the timings envisaged by the script editor and the length of time each scene lasted once it was shot.

The script Supervisor does the timing based on her experience and the way the director works. There is a network of scrip supervisors who are in constant communication with each other and can time scripts with some accuracy in my experience.
The director sounds inexperienced and here the fist assistant bears some responsibility too.
However it could be the cutting of prep time. I worked on a programme that cut the timing down to four days. It worked out cheaper but the writing on the wall was that it would not last as a series. I was not happy on the shoot and indeed it wasn?t my own best hour either.
> 
> The director also worked at the slower end of the efficiency spectrum, lengthy over runs were the norm most days and there was an extra two weeks of additional shooting beyond the scheduled finish date.
> 
> When the first rough cut was finished, 50 min episodes were running about 70 mins. You can only cut so much out before you lose important plot points. At the dub, I asked the director why one actor was carrying a piece of paper which was prominently featured in shot. I was told that it was the note given to her earlier by the villain, but I and the viewers were unaware of that because that scene ended up on the cutting room floor to get the duration of the episode down to 50 mins.
> 
> Vast amounts of lovingly shot material was discarded.  If we had shot only the scenes which ended up on the screen, we would have finished the shoot early and under budget.
> 
> One of the things I enjoyed about drama was that it was an immensely collaborative effort.  It requires loads of things to go right at once. Any problem in one department messes up the overall result, so everybody is motivated to work to the best of their ability. On the other hand, you sometimes get serendipitous things happening where absolute magic happens.
> 
> An excellent example of that was when shooting Box of Delights.  The story happens around Christmas Eve and it needed snow. The director did his research and the chosen location was the part of Scotland most likely to have deep snow in January. We arrived to find there was no snow for miles around. They even arranged to get expensive snow machines sent up from England. Then overnight, before the first day of shooting, it snowed and my word did it snow! The scanner was one of the last vehicles to get past Scotch Corner before the road closed. The  catering vehicles and the snow machines didn?t get through and were stuck there for several days.
> 
> The first shots we did were of pristine powder snow, knee deep.  The sky was clear and blue and there was no wind.  The roads were mostly impassable, so there was no passing traffic and the voices of the actors carried in way I?ve never experienced before.

Luck pays much to a production and combined with experience and planning is supreme. I have the highest regard for crews and OB crews especially. We did a shoot in Dartmoor and to see cable and static eclairs being hiked up to some height was a sight to see.
Earlier, the Old Man of Hoy was fantastic work.

https://www.facebook.com/BBCArchive/videos/1967-old-man-of-hoy/603517470021287/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNzUtvy0lsI
> 
> It was the most amazing stroke of luck and those sequences were magical for the viewers.  As far as team work was concerned, the rigger drivers were amazing for getting the trucks to site. The production team were nimble and fast to adapt to circumstances. The lack of caterers meant that the unit hotel had to feed everybody, but they are not used to feeding 50 people in 30 mins. On top of that it was only daylight between 10:00 and 14:30 and we spent an hour of that having lunch.  The crew proposed working continuously through the daylight the next day and then getting fed when the light faded.  The production team were delighted, but would never have dared to ask for such a thing at the start of a long shoot.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 13 Dec 2021, at 09:51, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Dear All
>> 
>> To comment on scripts being important to a production I would like to add my observations
>> 
>> As has been said, the script story is vital but the writing itself is equally important as we can see by various versions of the same thing in classical literature including Shakespeare.
>> 
>> The team in my view is vitally important and with the right mix can bring order from chaos. 
>> 
>> Take the classic Casablanca: This had various re-edits and revisions with daily script pages being added and the artists and crew with no idea what might follow. A Map sequence at the beginning to let people know where Casablanca is was inserted late in the edit.
>> The Chemistry between Ingrid Bergman and Bogart was also important but as she was taller than him he had like Allan Ladd had to stand on a box. Size is important especially in the classic Elf, where a new ending was added and a whole lot of trick photography and boxes are in handy again. The producer had to fight for the casting too. ?Genevieve? a film about the Vintage Brighton Run was regarded and something that was quaint, but not that special. With the magic of Kay Kendal, Grigson and Vintage cars was a smash hit in the 50?s, huh to everyone?s surprise
>> 
>> So, as has been written previously the whole setup from casting to the edit, not to mention money, make a movie and TV production.
>> 
>> Just thought I?d say, as I have worked with special crews to whom I?m forever grateful and the awards that I have is due in every area to them.
>> 
>> Albert
>> 
>>> On 11 Dec 2021, at 12:39, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> BT mail will work with either pop or imap. Imap is the preferred one, as IIRC more secure. Look at setting on your email prog to see which you are using.
>>> 
>>> I have my main email address on my own domain (davesound.co.uk <http://davesound.co.uk/>) hosted by 123-reg. They recently discontinued the popbox and changed to a mail box. So I'd guess others will follow.
>>> 
>>> Imap tends to be preferred these days as you leave all your mails on the server, so can access them from multiple devices, etc. And arrange them as you wish on the server (folders etc), which will then be the same on multiple devices.
>>> On 10/12/2021 19:00, patheigham wrote:
>>> Dunno! Don?t unnerstand either of those!
>>> 
>>> My AMPS address was set up by a good friend who organised the AMPS website, and that has worked perfectly.
>>> 
>>> It?s only BT being problematical, and I?m paying through the nose for their Broadband & phone service!
>>> 
>>> I?ve just hit 79, but here?s pic of a stairwell ?celebration? (at 78) with a couple of friends who dropped in, last year ? maintaining distance! Thanks for the stairlift!
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 13 09:02:49 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:02:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Script timings
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Hi David,
It was definitely a live "Softly"
and we definitely under ran.  I can't argue with your stats - so the
underrun may have been magnified over the years!! We simultaneously
recorded on 35?? film recording for overseas sales and the FR might not
have terminated early.

Best regards Alec
sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021, 11:32 David Brunt, <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alec
>
> Sure it was Softly?  The two seasons of live episodes went out at 8 to
> 8:50pm and the daily PasB logs don?t note any short episodes.
>
> There was an April 1963 Z Cars (Birds of the Air) that under-ran by
> several minutes on transmission though. Sydney Newman was furious.
>
> David
>
>
> *From:* Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 13, 2021 11:10 AM
> *To:* Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Script timings
>
>
> HI All,
>
> One of the things that really impressed me when we were doing live/as-live
> theatrical style multi-camera productions in the 1960s was the ability of a
> production to run to time.  Yes, OK, there were times after the first run
> through when things might seem to be a bit tight - there was the regular
> call from certain FMs on certain drama productions "Pacey! Pacey!".
>
> The only time that I recall when we had a "problem" was one live "Softly
> Softly" during a period when the technical staff were in dispute and were
> instructed that all programmes were to run to time and the plugs would be
> pulled immediately that the scripted/planned time was up: in this case, it
> meant that studio TC3 would be taken off air at 21:00 regardless.  Everyone
> "upped their game" as it were, and that episode ran under time by nearly
> five minutes, IIRC.
>
> On sit coms, the run throughs always ran five minutes shorter than the
> programme was meant to last - mainly because no one laughed at the jokes.
> Come transmission, with a nicely warmed-up audience, those five minutes
> were absorbed by the applause and laughter, and the actors knowing exactly
> when to continue.
>
> =======
>
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> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Dec 15 15:28:05 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 21:28:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test to Tech1
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19817CBC0D79C38370A492E1A7769@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

A test because I?ve been reorganising unwanted email accounts etc. and by councidence this one seems to have gone quiet. Or has it?
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

From Waresound at msn.com  Wed Dec 15 16:04:12 2021
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 22:04:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test to Tech1
In-Reply-To: <358f1471-5968-0892-2faf-c1635f3dbeaf@btinternet.com>
References: <PAXP191MB19817CBC0D79C38370A492E1A7769@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<358f1471-5968-0892-2faf-c1635f3dbeaf@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981246C945B4FC3A2EA84F0A7769@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Oh drat, I thought it was too good to be true.
(Only joking!)
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

> On 15 Dec 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?No! Cheers, Dave
> 
>> On 15/12/2021 21:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> A test because I?ve been reorganising unwanted email accounts etc. and by councidence this one seems to have gone quiet. Or has it?
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Dec 15 17:01:07 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 23:01:07 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test to Tech1
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB1981246C945B4FC3A2EA84F0A7769@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PAXP191MB19817CBC0D79C38370A492E1A7769@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM><358f1471-5968-0892-2faf-c1635f3dbeaf@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <41DC33C2892E4166AC5C1F3CC131C1D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Might just be coming to us Daves - think you need responses from other 
Christian names to be sure!

Dave Newbitt.


-----Original Message----- 
From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 10:04 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test to Tech1

Oh drat, I thought it was too good to be true.
(Only joking!)
N.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

> On 15 Dec 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> ?No! Cheers, Dave
>
>> On 15/12/2021 21:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> A test because I?ve been reorganising unwanted email accounts etc. and by 
>> councidence this one seems to have gone quiet. Or has it?
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Dec 15 17:09:32 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 23:09:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test to Tech1
In-Reply-To: <41DC33C2892E4166AC5C1F3CC131C1D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <PAXP191MB19817CBC0D79C38370A492E1A7769@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<358f1471-5968-0892-2faf-c1635f3dbeaf@btinternet.com>
	<PAXP191MB1981246C945B4FC3A2EA84F0A7769@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<41DC33C2892E4166AC5C1F3CC131C1D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <5070403D-A225-4A37-8EA8-C25628DF661E@mac.com>

Will I do?

Mike G

> On 15 Dec 2021, at 23:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Might just be coming to us Daves - think you need responses from other Christian names to be sure!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 10:04 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test to Tech1
> 
> Oh drat, I thought it was too good to be true.
> (Only joking!)
> N.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?No! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>>> On 15/12/2021 21:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>> A test because I?ve been reorganising unwanted email accounts etc. and by councidence this one seems to have gone quiet. Or has it?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Dec 16 02:17:25 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 08:17:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Test to Tech1
In-Reply-To: <5070403D-A225-4A37-8EA8-C25628DF661E@mac.com>
References: <5070403D-A225-4A37-8EA8-C25628DF661E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BC5DE071-3081-4DCC-B092-B9D028DC021E@me.com>

Itt's got to a very gloomy Warwickshire.....

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 15 Dec 2021, at 23:10, M E GILES via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Will I do?
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 15 Dec 2021, at 23:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Might just be coming to us Daves - think you need responses from other Christian names to be sure!
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2021 10:04 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Test to Tech1
>> 
>> Oh drat, I thought it was too good to be true.
>> (Only joking!)
>> N.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>> 
>>>> On 15 Dec 2021, at 21:40, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?No! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>>> On 15/12/2021 21:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> A test because I?ve been reorganising unwanted email accounts etc. and by councidence this one seems to have gone quiet. Or has it?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Dec 16 10:11:28 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:11:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Thu Dec 16 10:35:53 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:35:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dave Oakley
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Just in case people haven?t seen it elsewhere, Dave ?Daisy? Oakley who was a cameraman at the TV Centre and then one of the ?original? freelancers, passed away on Tuesday in the care home he was in.

A great raconteur and lover of a good red wine, I for one, spent many a happy evening with him on various jobs around the world.

RIP Daisy.

Graham Maunder
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Dec 16 10:45:08 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:45:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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I take it this post was intended for the discuss section;}

Chris Woolf

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec 16 10:59:40 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 16:59:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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Is this political, Mike???
I have been given a book entitled ?The Gambler?. Not yet read, but it purports to be a biography of Boris.
Now, he only happened to become PM as a result of him being leader of the party that ?won? the last General Election.
I do not envy him the position he finds himself in, but he does seem to have a habit of ignoring his more qualified advisors.
I recommend a viewing of ?The Rise and Rise of Michael Rimmer? starring Peter Cook, and produced by David Frost ? Paradine Films.
(Fresh-faced young Michael Rimmer worms his way into an opinion poll company and is soon running the place. He uses this as a springboard to get into politics, and in the mini-skirted flared-trousered world of 1970 Britain starts to rise through the Tory ranks).
It?s a searing comment on manipulating the electorate.
It was said that the problems of the world (wars) were won on the playing fields of Eton. Take a look at this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eton_wall_game
There is mention of Boris taking part!

Enjoy
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Dec 16 12:05:38 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:05:38 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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Goodness Mike ? I see that this hit the public arena on social media 7 or 8 months ago
and presuming it would also have been picked up by the mainstream press I wonder
how I missed it at that time.

If it?s apocryphal then somebody somewhere must be hoping litigation doesn?t follow.

If it is satirical the original author has a promising future!

Dave Newbitt.

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 16 12:56:20 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 18:56:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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Dunno about mainstream, but it was mentioned on LBC's James O'Brien prog 
many months OK. He doesn't tend to hold back about BoJo.?

On 16/12/2021 18:05, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Goodness Mike ? I see that this hit the public arena on social media 7 
> or 8 months ago
> and presuming it would also have been picked up by the mainstream 
> press I wonder
> how I missed it at that time.
> If it?s apocryphal then somebody somewhere must be hoping litigation 
> doesn?t follow.
> If it is satirical the original author has a promising future!
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* M E GILES via Tech1
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> *Subject:* [Tech1] Who knew?
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Dec 16 13:09:17 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:09:17 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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Thanks Dave ? I?ve watched said James a fair few times but must have missed that one. He sure has skill as an interrogator style interviewer.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 6:56 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Who knew?

Dunno about mainstream, but it was mentioned on LBC's James O'Brien prog many months OK. He doesn't tend to hold back about BoJo.?

On 16/12/2021 18:05, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  Goodness Mike ? I see that this hit the public arena on social media 7 or 8 months ago
  and presuming it would also have been picked up by the mainstream press I wonder
  how I missed it at that time.

  If it?s apocryphal then somebody somewhere must be hoping litigation doesn?t follow.

  If it is satirical the original author has a promising future!

  Dave Newbitt.

  From: M E GILES via Tech1 
  Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2021 4:11 PM
  To: Tech Ops 
  Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?




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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Thu Dec 16 13:13:06 2021
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:13:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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Yes. He's brilliant on radio. But wasn't as good on Newsnight. Although 
he may just have matured since then.

On 16/12/2021 19:09, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Thanks Dave ? I?ve watched said James a fair few times but must have 
> missed that one. He sure has skill as an interrogator style interviewer.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Dave Plowman via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 16, 2021 6:56 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Who knew?
>
> Dunno about mainstream, but it was mentioned on LBC's James O'Brien 
> prog many months OK. He doesn't tend to hold back about BoJo.?
>
> On 16/12/2021 18:05, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Goodness Mike ? I see that this hit the public arena on social media 
>> 7 or 8 months ago
>> and presuming it would also have been picked up by the mainstream 
>> press I wonder
>> how I missed it at that time.
>> If it?s apocryphal then somebody somewhere must be hoping litigation 
>> doesn?t follow.
>> If it is satirical the original author has a promising future!
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> *From:* M E GILES via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 16, 2021 4:11 PM
>> *To:* Tech Ops
>> *Subject:* [Tech1] Who knew?
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 16 13:31:19 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 19:31:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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...so no change then! Cheers, Dave

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 16 15:16:08 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 21:16:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dave Oakley
Message-ID: <FF2CE6E0-520E-48D6-A067-B344CAB53BE8@gmail.com>

?Sad news about Dave Oakley and oddly enough I was thinking of him when I heard the news about John Longley as they struck me as having similar warm, likeable, easy going personalities. Roger Fenna once referred to Dave Oakley light-heartedly as, ?The nicest person in Television? and I didn?t  dispute that, though it could equally have been conferred on Johnny Longley.
With such a rapid succession of departures, perhaps we should have a regular role-call and hope there aren?t too many absentees returning no answer each time,
Geoff

> On 16 Dec 2021, at 16:36, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?Just in case people haven?t seen it elsewhere, Dave ?Daisy? Oakley who was a cameraman at the TV Centre and then one of the ?original? freelancers, passed away on Tuesday in the care home he was in.
> 
> A great raconteur and lover of a good red wine, I for one, spent many a happy evening with him on various jobs around the world.
> 
> RIP Daisy.
> 
> Graham Maunder
> Awfully Nice Video . Brackenwood, High Road . Pinner . Middx . HA5 2HQ
>             Tel: 07000 345678   Mobile: 07831 515678   Visit Us: www.anvc.tv
> 
>> On 16 Dec 2021, at 16:11, M E GILES via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Dec 16 17:31:47 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 23:31:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Who knew?
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Likewise, this was new to me when it drifted across my phone screen - I must get out more!

Mike G

> On 16 Dec 2021, at 19:32, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
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> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 17 10:34:57 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:34:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
Message-ID: <0163dd65-e596-ec67-2e29-8072d704ddd5@btinternet.com>

We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different 
colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They 
stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had 
been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To 
repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core 
and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and 
now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small 
choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is 
going on? Cheers, Dave



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 17 10:48:10 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:48:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
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Throw it away and get a new set!
Pat

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We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different 
colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They 
stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had 
been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To 
repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core 
and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and 
now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small 
choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is 
going on? Cheers, Dave


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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Dec 17 10:53:17 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:53:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
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Bitten through somewhere else which is not so visible?  Alternatively it might be a dodgy connection somewhere which coincidentally became apparent at the same time.

I assume that where there are four different colours, they use individual cores for specific colours.  The lights I have use a two core cable from the PSU to the control box and then several single core wires for each group of lights which flash at a particular time..

I've got some LED Christmas lamps which I haven't been able to fix.  If they were indoor ones, I'd make a jumper wire with two sharp pins on the ends and push it through the insulation to bypass a suspect joint or connection, but not so keen to do that when stuff is left outside for a month or so as it's probably best to keep it watertight.  Janet bought a replacement set in the January sales very cheaply, so no hurry to fix them.

Alan Taylor



On 17 Dec 2021, at 17 Dec . 16:34, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is going on? Cheers, Dave
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 11:20:22 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 17:20:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
Message-ID: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>


My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get a 
VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN.

I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and 
relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me. I can 
pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. 
Does anyone have more experience?

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 17 11:42:33 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 17:42:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
References: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61bccc09.1c69fb81.18b1f.d437@mx.google.com>

Yep. I have a VPN  (Virtual Private Network) operated by Avast. I believe it protects against scam operators borrowing your e-mail address. 
Avast lets you choose where you wish to pretend to be!
All good 007 stuff!

Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 17 December 2021 17:20
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] VPN


My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get a VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN. ? 

I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me.? I can pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. Does anyone have more experience?

B






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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Dec 17 12:15:59 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 18:15:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Dec 17 12:33:13 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 18:33:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <9mvum5rbuqufoill7qqe8l5u.1639764959918@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <9mvum5rbuqufoill7qqe8l5u.1639764959918@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <292F6719-EB13-41B2-8DF2-11BF736759E8@me.com>

Do any of the Apple users here use iCould private relay?

Apple says that when it?s enabled, traffic leaving your iPhone is encrypted and sent through two separate internet relays.  This prevents web sites from seeing your IP address and location.

That sounds pretty good, but I wonder what happens regarding situations where a web site wants to know your location before letting you in, such as BBC iPlayer? 

I don?t have a VPN and don?t anticipate wanting one, but there is something odd about companies working out where I live.  I have a fixed IP address, but it appears to roam geographically as seen by web sites.  One day I am told that randy housewives in Bexhill are desperate to meet up with me and another day it?s the ladies of Greenwich.  Petrol being the price it is, I can?t afford wasting a journey to Bexhill if all those women are waiting for me in Greenwich. 

Alan Taylor


> On 17 Dec 2021, at 18:17, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> If a website offers thing only in another area, you can appear to be where you are permitted to receive it! 
> If you went abroad (unlikely at the moment) you could access the IPlayer like  you were in the UK. Normally you can only access it if you are in the UK. 
> Same in reverse for some sports and films only available in say the us. 
> If it's a subscription service , thay also check where your credit card bill goes too which is more difficult to spoof !
> 
> Paul Thackray
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> 07802 243979
> 
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
> 
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
> 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
> 
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 17 December 2021 17:20
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: bernie833 at gmail.com
> Subject: [Tech1] VPN
> 
> 
> My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get a VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN.   
> 
> I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me.  I can pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. Does anyone have more experience?
> 
> B
> 
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Dec 17 12:47:00 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 18:47:00 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <61bccc09.1c69fb81.18b1f.d437@mx.google.com>
References: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3F9BE11E9F4444858B1EFEBEEBB0887B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

?Which? looked at some 14 VPN providers in January this year and the summary  findings for Bernie?s and Pat?s are as below, together with the one they rated best.







I could post full review findings if any interest.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 5:42 PM
To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] VPN

Yep. I have a VPN  (Virtual Private Network) operated by Avast. I believe it protects against scam operators borrowing your e-mail address. 

Avast lets you choose where you wish to pretend to be!

All good 007 stuff!

 

Pat

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows

 

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 17 December 2021 17:20
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] VPN

 


My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get a VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN.   

I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me.  I can pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. Does anyone have more experience?

B





 




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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 17 13:36:36 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:36:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
References: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <880c0471-c5d5-70e0-9650-6111066dbb16@btinternet.com>

Now you need Tor browser and then you can access the 90% of the internet 
you can't at the moment!

On 17/12/2021 17:20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get 
> a VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN.
>
> I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and 
> relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me.? I can 
> pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. 
> Does anyone have more experience?
>
> B
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 16:19:57 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 22:19:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <3F9BE11E9F4444858B1EFEBEEBB0887B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ed79a7e4-da22-03e6-8cad-28494e106f6b@gmail.com>


This is all new to me, so I've tried being in different parts of the 
world. I'm fortunate to have Virgin fibre with a published to the 
cabinet of 200 Mb/s . I've done some random trials, with two goes at the 
US -

US 12 Mb/s,? 30Mb/s
UK 204Mb/s
Turkey? 202 Mb/s
Japan? 188 Mb/s

I think I'll stick with a UK server.

B





On 17/12/2021 18:47, David Newbitt wrote:
> ?Which? looked at some 14 VPN providers in January this year and the 
> summary? findings for Bernie?s and Pat?s are as below, together with 
> the one they rated best.
> Private Internet Access
> Nord VPN
> Avast
> I could post full review findings if any interest.
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2021 5:42 PM
> *To:* Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] VPN
>
> Yep. I have a VPN? (Virtual Private Network) operated by Avast. I 
> believe it protects against scam operators borrowing your e-mail address.
>
> Avast lets you choose where you wish to pretend to be!
>
> All good 007 stuff!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent: *17 December 2021 17:20
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] VPN
>
>
> My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get 
> a VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN.
>
> I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and 
> relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me.? I can 
> pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. 
> Does anyone have more experience?
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Fri Dec 17 19:59:07 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 01:59:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <9mvum5rbuqufoill7qqe8l5u.1639764959918@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <9mvum5rbuqufoill7qqe8l5u.1639764959918@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A5EA9F07-CB14-47EE-A8E8-0ACACCA85D9B@zero51.force9.co.uk>

I use Express VPN which is also well thought of like Nord and arguably a little bit better but I don?t switch it on all that often. One reason would be to pick up French or Swedish programmes that rellies are also watching. This would likely be a music prog for Sweden as the dialogue on anything else would be quite opaque to me if not subtitled (hello, goodbye, thank you very much, Terminal 5 excepted)
Otherwise I use vpn if a site I am interested in has a cookie cancelling policy that is deliberately evasive. It would have to be really interesting though, I usually click away if it?s too infuriating. 
Using the vpn hopefully confuses matters a bit for trackers provided your firefox and cccleaner dump all the cookies. I don?t think what I do really justifies the fee.  ?77.70 pa Its installed as an app on this phone and on a couple of PCs rather than on the router. If you put it on the router it covers all networked equipment but then lacks flexibility. 

Peter Fox

On 17 Dec 2021, at 18:18, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
If a website offers thing only in another area, you can appear to be where you are permitted to receive it! 
If you went abroad (unlikely at the moment) you could access the IPlayer like  you were in the UK. Normally you can only access it if you are in the UK. 
Same in reverse for some sports and films only available in say the us. 
If it's a subscription service , thay also check where your credit card bill goes too which is more difficult to spoof !

Paul Thackray
PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 17 December 2021 17:20
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: bernie833 at gmail.com
Subject: [Tech1] VPN


My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get a VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN.   

I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me.  I can pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. Does anyone have more experience?

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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 20:29:37 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:29:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <ed79a7e4-da22-03e6-8cad-28494e106f6b@gmail.com>
References: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAA=qGJnhoQyaY5nq8UfMc_A+SOZtHYTJsqpKxx4CZqQWmqJ9_g@mail.gmail.com>

People abroad used to access BBC programmes on iPlayer by using a VPN set
to show their alleged location as UK. Probably too many people did that
because, earlier this year, the BBC blocked iPlayer access to anyone using
a VPN. I still use mine occasionally, set to USA, for accessing programmes
restricted to US viewers, but I expect that such sources will eventually
follow the BBC lead and rule out VPN users.

As far as VPN speed is concerned, this varies considerably. I've found some
VPNs too slow to use comfortably, while others are so fast that they are
unnoticeable. But I have never compared speeds obtainable from various
countries, nor from different sources in other countries. A simple way to
try a VPN is to download the browser Epic, which has a built-in VPN. That's
the one I currently use.

KW


On Fri, 17 Dec 2021 at 22:20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>
> This is all new to me, so I've tried being in different parts of the
> world. I'm fortunate to have Virgin fibre with a published to the cabinet
> of 200 Mb/s . I've done some random trials, with two goes at the US -
>
> US 12 Mb/s,  30Mb/s
> UK 204Mb/s
> Turkey  202 Mb/s
> Japan  188 Mb/s
>
> I think I'll stick with a UK server.
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
> On 17/12/2021 18:47, David Newbitt wrote:
>
> ?Which? looked at some 14 VPN providers in January this year and the
> summary  findings for Bernie?s and Pat?s are as below, together with the
> one they rated best.
>
> [image: Private Internet Access]
>
> [image: Nord VPN]
>
> [image: Avast]
>
> I could post full review findings if any interest.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Friday, December 17, 2021 5:42 PM
> *To:* Bernard Newnham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] VPN
>
>
> Yep. I have a VPN  (Virtual Private Network) operated by Avast. I believe
> it protects against scam operators borrowing your e-mail address.
>
> Avast lets you choose where you wish to pretend to be!
>
> All good 007 stuff!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent: *17 December 2021 17:20
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] VPN
>
>
>
>
> My son, and various sponsored YouTubes, have been exhorting me to get a
> VPN, so I've downloaded Nord VPN.
>
> I must admit, despite being a computer guru for numerous friends and
> relatives, I'm not sure what actual benefits it will give me.  I can
> pretend I'm in a large choice of places, so I'm currently in the US. Does
> anyone have more experience?
>
> B
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Sat Dec 18 05:04:33 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 11:04:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VPN
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJnhoQyaY5nq8UfMc_A+SOZtHYTJsqpKxx4CZqQWmqJ9_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4bbaa0aa-aca7-e8da-deae-c17125542e3d@gmail.com>
	<61bccc09.1c69fb81.18b1f.d437@mx.google.com>
	<3F9BE11E9F4444858B1EFEBEEBB0887B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<ed79a7e4-da22-03e6-8cad-28494e106f6b@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <b7aac3f8-26bf-3ad4-b6e3-0dd7979453e5@sky.com>

I don't know about using VPNs, but we live in SW Scotland. Some years 
back, my wife wanted to view something that had been shown on Scottish 
Television based in Glasgow, so attempted to sign up for an account so 
she could view online.

When she put in our postcode, the site said that it wasn't in Scotland!
Whether a VPN would sort this I don't know. (I did suggest that she 
inter her brother's postcode as he live in Glasgow).

Dave Buckley

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Dec 19 14:48:09 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 20:48:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <61bcbf4a.1c69fb81.6507f.6113@mx.google.com>
References: <0163dd65-e596-ec67-2e29-8072d704ddd5@btinternet.com>
	<61bcbf4a.1c69fb81.6507f.6113@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <66a59a84-7c74-bda0-25a8-75e4394fbb50@btinternet.com>

A typical Pat Heigham answer! If I do just that I won't have learnt 
anything but it will be fun trying! Cheers, Dave

On 17/12/2021 16:48, patheigham wrote:
>
> Throw it away and get a new set!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *17 December 2021 16:36
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Puzzle
>
> We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different
>
> colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They
>
> stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had
>
> been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To
>
> repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core
>
> and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and
>
> now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small
>
> choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is
>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun Dec 19 15:19:44 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2021 21:19:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
Message-ID: <ukokpupigekdarghkmtn7bgr.1639948784297@email.android.com>

LED's are diodes and only pass the current one way. If half were connected one way accross the two wires and the rest connect the other way, you could control which half light by altering which wire has the posative voltage. When you swapped the the wires did the oppersite set of lights come on? Maybe the wires shorted when they were cut, and destroyed just one half of the control circuit. If you have meter you could put the lights on a slow flash and see if the output swings posative and negative, or maybe posative and off. Either way it must be a clever design

Doug

On 19 December 2021, at 20:48, "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

A typical Pat Heigham answer! If I do just that I won't have learnt anything but it will be fun trying! Cheers, Dave

On 17/12/2021 16:48, patheigham wrote:

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Throw it away and get a new set!

Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 17 December 2021 16:36
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle

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We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different 

colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They 

stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had 

been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To 

repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core 

and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and 

now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small 

choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is 

going on? Cheers, Dave

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sun Dec 19 18:02:54 2021
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 00:02:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <ukokpupigekdarghkmtn7bgr.1639948784297@email.android.com>
References: <ukokpupigekdarghkmtn7bgr.1639948784297@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <8bc9bd23-8be6-2b8a-52f1-9de849525274@davesound.co.uk>

I think they way they work is one polarity gives one set, swap the 
polarity, the other. And AC both.? But likely high frequency AC so they 
don't flicker.

On 19/12/2021 21:19, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>
> LED's are diodes and only pass the current one way. If half were 
> connected one way accross the two wires and the rest connect the other 
> way, you could control which half light by altering which wire has the 
> posative voltage. When you swapped the the wires did the oppersite set 
> of lights come on? Maybe the wires shorted when they were cut, and 
> destroyed just one half of the control circuit. If you have meter you 
> could put the lights on a slow flash and see if the output swings 
> posative and negative, or maybe posative and off. Either way it must 
> be a clever design
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 19 December 2021, at 20:48, "dave.mdv via Tech1" 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> A typical Pat Heigham answer! If I do just that I won't have learnt 
> anything but it will be fun trying! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 17/12/2021 16:48, patheigham wrote:
>>
>> Throw it away and get a new set!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *17 December 2021 16:36
>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject: *[Tech1] Puzzle
>>
>> We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different
>>
>> colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They
>>
>> stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had
>>
>> been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To
>>
>> repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core
>>
>> and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and
>>
>> now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small
>>
>> choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is
>>
>> going on? Cheers, Dave
>>
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Dec 20 00:53:40 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 06:53:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <ukokpupigekdarghkmtn7bgr.1639948784297@email.android.com>
References: <ukokpupigekdarghkmtn7bgr.1639948784297@email.android.com>
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I?m afraid that this doesn?t help you, Dave but thanks Doug for clearing up a little mystery which has puzzled me for years - how do they work when there are only two wires leaving the transformer!
It?s obvious when you explain it but I hadn?t worked it out.

I have two trees outside where the lights are fixed to branches (the leaves drop in winter) and the lights have been left in the trees all year round. With the advent (see what I did there?) of LEDs they have worked from one year to the next, but the transformers/control units are the bits that fail. In some instances it has been cheaper to buy a new set than source a replacement unit. So I now have several sets of spare strings waiting for bulbs to die!



Peter Neill
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Guilden Morden
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> On 19 Dec 2021, at 21:19, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> LED's are diodes and only pass the current one way. If half were connected one way accross the two wires and the rest connect the other way, you could control which half light by altering which wire has the posative voltage. When you swapped the the wires did the oppersite set of lights come on? Maybe the wires shorted when they were cut, and destroyed just one half of the control circuit. If you have meter you could put the lights on a slow flash and see if the output swings posative and negative, or maybe posative and off. Either way it must be a clever design
> 
> Doug
> 
> 
> 
> On 19 December 2021, at 20:48, "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
> 
> A typical Pat Heigham answer! If I do just that I won't have learnt anything but it will be fun trying! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 17/12/2021 16:48, patheigham wrote:
>> Throw it away and get a new set!
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>  
>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: 17 December 2021 16:36
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
>>  
>> We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different
>> colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They
>> stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had
>> been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To
>> repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core
>> and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and
>> now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small
>> choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is
>> going on? Cheers, Dave
>>  
>>  
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Dec 20 02:01:48 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 08:01:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <8bc9bd23-8be6-2b8a-52f1-9de849525274@davesound.co.uk>
References: <8bc9bd23-8be6-2b8a-52f1-9de849525274@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <165EC1AC-D97C-4A9F-8134-F3428CE9CA4F@me.com>

If they are all connected by just two wires and work by using the change of polarity, I would think that the problem must be in the control box.  

The ones I have looked at are not like yours, but use a small chip and not much else. The box was tricky to open  but there wasn?t much scope for changing components and I couldn?t source a replacement chip anyway.  

One option you might  consider could be to eliminate the chip and wire it to have all the lights on continuously. Just be aware that you don?t eliminate any current limiting resistors.

Alan Taylor

> On 20 Dec 2021, at 00:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I think they way they work is one polarity gives one set, swap the polarity, the other. And AC both.  But likely high frequency AC so they don't flicker.
> 
> On 19/12/2021 21:19, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>> LED's are diodes and only pass the current one way. If half were connected one way accross the two wires and the rest connect the other way, you could control which half light by altering which wire has the posative voltage. When you swapped the the wires did the oppersite set of lights come on? Maybe the wires shorted when they were cut, and destroyed just one half of the control circuit. If you have meter you could put the lights on a slow flash and see if the output swings posative and negative, or maybe posative and off. Either way it must be a clever design
>> 
>> Doug
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19 December 2021, at 20:48, "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A typical Pat Heigham answer! If I do just that I won't have learnt anything but it will be fun trying! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> On 17/12/2021 16:48, patheigham wrote:
>>> Throw it away and get a new set!
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>  
>>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>>> Sent: 17 December 2021 16:36
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
>>>  
>>> We have a set of 24 LED lights for outside use with four different
>>> colours which can be steady or flashing in various combinations. They
>>> stopped working and I discovered that the very thin 2-core bell wire had
>>> been bitten through (luckily for the creature it is only 5 volts!). To
>>> repair it I stripped the ends and found that one wire had a copper core
>>> and the other had a silver core. obviously, I joined like-to-like and
>>> now we only have two colours with every other LED not lit! Using a small
>>> choc-block I swapped the wires over which made no diference! WTF is
>>> going on? Cheers, Dave
>>>  
>>>  
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Dec 20 04:15:33 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:15:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <8bc9bd23-8be6-2b8a-52f1-9de849525274@davesound.co.uk>
References: <ukokpupigekdarghkmtn7bgr.1639948784297@email.android.com>
	<8bc9bd23-8be6-2b8a-52f1-9de849525274@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB198149225FC09EF5E0928520A77B9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It gets more puzzling as you dig deeper. I bought a new set a week or two ago to keep up with the neighbours? lavish displays. 200 LED?s on a 20Metre string. From the power supply there are two wires. A few centimetres from the power supply there is a little box (about the size of a tin of gramophone needles, Ho-ho!) that is the receiver for the equally tiny wireless remote control unit. Then still only two wires up to the first LED, and from there-on there are four wires. All 200 LED?s are tri-colour (plus of course, white).
Remote controllable functions include:
Alternative LED?s white
Half the string white, other half colour.
All 200 white
Alternative 100 LED?s Red, remainder white
All 200 red
RGB mixed
RGB mixed with each LED independently cycling through RGB along the length of the string
All flashing, fast or slow
Random colours flashing
Changing brightness in waves
Comb (colour changes running along the length).
And timer mode and overall brightness control.
Plus probably others I haven?t found.

I conclude that each and every LED contains some pretty nifty microelectronics.
Not bad for ?19.99, and a far cry from when you had to replace every bulb until you found the dud one - invariably the one at the top that you couldn?t reach. And what a pain if there were two duds!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

On 20 Dec 2021, at 00:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I think they way they work is one polarity gives one set, swap the polarity, the other. And AC both.  But likely high frequency AC so they don't flicker.

On 19/12/2021 21:19, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:

LED's are diodes and only pass the current one way. If half were connected one way accross the two wires and the rest connect the other way, you could control which half light by altering which wire has the posative voltage. When you swapped the the wires did the oppersite set of lights come on? Maybe the wires shorted when they were cut, and destroyed just one half of the control circuit. If you have meter you could put the lights on a slow flash and see if the output swings posative and negative, or maybe posative and off. Either way it must be a clever design

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 04:55:13 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:55:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Puzzle
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB198149225FC09EF5E0928520A77B9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <ukokpupigekdarghkmtn7bgr.1639948784297@email.android.com>
	<8bc9bd23-8be6-2b8a-52f1-9de849525274@davesound.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <8f1d4019-47b8-96f1-3676-f8fbefd94e53@gmail.com>

I put? "LED Christmas lights wiring diagram"? into Google.?? There might 
be clues there.

B



On 20/12/2021 10:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> It gets more puzzling as you dig deeper. I bought a new set a week or 
> two ago to keep up with the neighbours? lavish displays. 200 LED?s on 
> a 20Metre string. From the power supply there are two wires. A few 
> centimetres from the power supply there is a little box (about the 
> size of a tin of gramophone needles, Ho-ho!) that is the receiver for 
> the equally tiny wireless remote control unit. Then still only two 
> wires up to the first LED, and from there-on there are four wires. All 
> 200 LED?s are tri-colour (plus of course, white).
> Remote controllable functions include:
> Alternative LED?s white
> Half the string white, other half colour.
> All 200 white
> Alternative 100 LED?s Red, remainder white
> All 200 red
> RGB mixed
> RGB mixed with each LED independently cycling through RGB along the 
> length of the string
> All flashing, fast or slow
> Random colours flashing
> Changing brightness in waves
> Comb (colour changes running along the length).
> And timer mode and overall brightness control.
> Plus probably others I haven?t found.
>
> I conclude that each and every LED contains some pretty nifty 
> microelectronics.
> Not bad for ?19.99, and a far cry from when you had to replace every 
> bulb until you found the dud one - invariably the one at the top that 
> you couldn?t reach. And what a pain if there were two duds!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>
>> On 20 Dec 2021, at 00:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I think they way they work is one polarity gives one set, swap the 
>> polarity, the other. And AC both.? But likely high frequency AC so 
>> they don't flicker.
>>
>> On 19/12/2021 21:19, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>>>
>>> LED's are diodes and only pass the current one way. If half were 
>>> connected one way accross the two wires and the rest connect the 
>>> other way, you could control which half light by altering which wire 
>>> has the posative voltage. When you swapped the the wires did the 
>>> oppersite set of lights come on? Maybe the wires shorted when they 
>>> were cut, and destroyed just one half of the control circuit. If you 
>>> have meter you could put the lights on a slow flash and see if the 
>>> output swings posative and negative, or maybe posative and off. 
>>> Either way it must be a clever design
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Dec 20 06:45:50 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:45:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Swingin' Christmas
Message-ID: <61c07aff.1c69fb81.818d8.b61d@mx.google.com>

Last night on BBC Four, a repeat of the Swingin? Christmas concert by the John Wilson Orchestra.
Lovely sound, credited to Andy Payne, presumably before the sound fellows got rechristened The Sound Alliance.
But no clue as to the venue. Not the RAH, so I wondered if it was Air Studios ? anyone know?
Pat

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 07:17:09 2021
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 13:17:09 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Swingin' Christmas
References: <61c07aff.1c69fb81.818d8.b61d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EAA8BFCE8305446592B2D7C7ADDA6417@dell9100>

I was indeed Air Studios

 however the rehersal for it were done in TC1

chris


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Dec 20 08:36:33 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:36:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Swingin' Christmas
In-Reply-To: <EAA8BFCE8305446592B2D7C7ADDA6417@dell9100>
References: <61c07aff.1c69fb81.818d8.b61d@mx.google.com>
	<EAA8BFCE8305446592B2D7C7ADDA6417@dell9100>
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Pleased I got it right.
BTW, which Chris are you, there are a couple on this forum?
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Chris on gmail via Tech1
Sent: 20 December 2021 13:17
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Swingin' Christmas

I was indeed Air Studios

 however the rehersal for it were done in TC1

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec 21 14:50:59 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 20:50:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 17th century camcorder ( almost )
Message-ID: <FE1EBC66-E249-437B-A4A2-C100DD76CFE8@me.com>

This woodcut was shown on a Lucy Worsley programme this evening and I thought it looked as though the guy on the right might have been the world's first video cameraman. 

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Obviously there was no sound man shown as everybody knows that talkies weren?t invented until the 20th century. 

Alan Taylor

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 15:08:38 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 21:08:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 17th century camcorder ( almost )
In-Reply-To: <FE1EBC66-E249-437B-A4A2-C100DD76CFE8@me.com>
References: <FE1EBC66-E249-437B-A4A2-C100DD76CFE8@me.com>
Message-ID: <134da496-b0dc-b9c1-888c-29c58a0ead5e@ntlworld.com>

Naaa.

It's a medieval ghetto blaster

B


On 21/12/2021 20:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> This woodcut was shown on a Lucy Worsley programme this evening and I thought it looked as though the guy on the right might have been the world's first video cameraman.
>
>
>
> Obviously there was no sound man shown as everybody knows that talkies weren?t invented until the 20th century.
>
> Alan Taylor
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Dec 21 15:42:31 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 21:42:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 17th century camcorder ( almost )
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Persumably Lucy doing her PTC in the centre.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 21 Dec 2021, at 20:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This woodcut was shown on a Lucy Worsley programme this evening and I thought it looked as though the guy on the right might have been the world's first video cameraman. 
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> Obviously there was no sound man shown as everybody knows that talkies weren?t invented until the 20th century. 
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Dec 21 16:04:40 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 22:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 17th century camcorder ( almost )
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981AFE656B3CD201597D5D4A77C9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?His framing is very 21st century.
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

On 21 Dec 2021, at 20:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
This woodcut was shown on a Lucy Worsley programme this evening and I thought it looked as though the guy on the right might have been the world's first video cameraman.

[cid:67b148f8-cf1a-4c60-904a-83fdfa2dfa8f at EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM]


Obviously there was no sound man shown as everybody knows that talkies weren?t invented until the 20th century.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec 22 03:30:50 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 09:30:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 17th century camcorder ( almost )
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Obviously, the on-board mic!
However, location caterers seem to have got it set up well, and special FX got a good fire going in the grate, not too crackly, as that would upset the sound dept.

Wasn?t April 1st, was it?

Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 21 December 2021 20:51
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] 17th century camcorder ( almost )

This woodcut was shown on a Lucy Worsley programme this evening and I thought it looked as though the guy on the right might have been the world's first video cameraman. 




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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 22 09:30:12 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:30:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parcels
Message-ID: <80c245c1-bd17-ae7e-0ce3-0ebe12a88900@btinternet.com>

Yesterday, UPS collected four parcels from my house at 1300. Today, they 
were delivered, two to Nottingham area at 1048 and 1146, one to Somerset 
at 1221, and the last one to Horncastle at 1431! Amazing service. 
Cheers, Dave



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec 22 09:35:57 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:35:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parcels
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Amazon have a system in place which if you subscribe to Prime, you might get same day delivery, but the drivers are on such a tight schedule ? like 100 drops a trip.
Slave labour?
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 22 December 2021 15:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Parcels

Yesterday, UPS collected four parcels from my house at 1300. Today, they 
were delivered, two to Nottingham area at 1048 and 1146, one to Somerset 
at 1221, and the last one to Horncastle at 1431! Amazing service. 
Cheers, Dave


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 22 09:48:57 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:48:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parcels
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Thanks Pat, but I don't want to subscribe to Prime, although it's hard 
to avoid when ordering from Amazon! Cheers, Dave

On 22/12/2021 15:35, patheigham wrote:
>
> Amazon have a system in place which if you subscribe to Prime, you 
> might get same day delivery, but the drivers are on such a tight 
> schedule ? like 100 drops a trip.
>
> Slave labour?
>
> Pat
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>
> Yesterday, UPS collected four parcels from my house at 1300. Today, they
>
> were delivered, two to Nottingham area at 1048 and 1146, one to Somerset
>
> at 1221, and the last one to Horncastle at 1431! Amazing service.
>
> Cheers, Dave
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 09:54:55 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 15:54:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parcels
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Many years ago my wife sold some 78s of the original Broadway Wizard of 
Oz on Ebay. They were pick up only, not surprisingly, but she got an 
email from the auction winner who was in Philadelphia giving her his 
FedEx account number, asking for them to do the pick up. I talked to a 
FedEx lady who was in the Philippines, and she said that a courier would 
be with us in Surrey within two hours.? He was, and the records arrived 
safely in Philadelphia the next day.

B



On 22/12/2021 15:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Yesterday, UPS collected four parcels from my house at 1300. Today, 
> they were delivered, two to Nottingham area at 1048 and 1146, one to 
> Somerset at 1221, and the last one to Horncastle at 1431! Amazing 
> service. Cheers, Dave
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Dec 22 10:00:41 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 16:00:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Parcels
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References: <80c245c1-bd17-ae7e-0ce3-0ebe12a88900@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <2DD0B344-7DE2-428F-9178-377C58D820E6@me.com>

When UPS came to collect the parcels I hope you left the parcels in your wheelie bin or on a random neighbour?s doorstep. Sauce for the goose etc.

UPS operates in Germany too and although here in the UK, we pronounce it U.P.S. it amuses me that in Germany they pronounce it as though it?s a word - Oops.

Alan Taylor

> On 22 Dec 2021, at 15:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Yesterday, UPS collected four parcels from my house at 1300. Today, they were delivered, two to Nottingham area at 1048 and 1146, one to Somerset at 1221, and the last one to Horncastle at 1431! Amazing service. Cheers, Dave
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 22 10:30:03 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 16:30:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Horncastle
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Ricardo Verde, long time no see! (As Dave Silk would say!) My son bought 
a new-build up Langton Hill a couple of years ago after renting a lovely 
barn conversion from that nice man Mr. Dyson! (who owns more land then 
HMQ, I believe!) At ?2000 a month and having nothing to leave his 
children he thought that he ought to invest in bricks and mortar! Both 
his daughters went to QEGS so it was a well-known location. Have a great 
Christmas yourself, Boris permitting! Cheers, Dave.

On 22/12/2021 15:50, Richard Green wrote:
> Good grief Mr Mundy I didn?t know anyone else had ever heard of Horncastle!
> My home town!
> Hope you have a great Christmas.
> Best wishes
> Dick Green
>
>
>
> Sent from my not so infuriating iPad mini 5!
>
>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 15:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Yesterday, UPS collected four parcels from my house at 1300. Today, they were delivered, two to Nottingham area at 1048 and 1146, one to Somerset at 1221, and the last one to Horncastle at 1431! Amazing service. Cheers, Dave
>>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Dec 22 11:28:56 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:28:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Horncastle
In-Reply-To: <9289d9cf-58b4-eb2b-3b77-281a356a64e0@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <6cs3tldad6l4c1bmiqiruhvr.1640194136261@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Richard,
I not only have heard of Horncastle . I will pass through it tomorrow!
I used to have family in Horncastle, but no one I am still in touch with. 

Paul




Paul Thackray

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	? Original Message ?	


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 22 December 2021 16:31
To: richardgreen700 at outlook.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: dave.mdv at btinternet.com
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Horncastle


Ricardo Verde, long time no see! (As Dave Silk would say!) My son bought
a new-build up Langton Hill a couple of years ago after renting a lovely
barn conversion from that nice man Mr. Dyson! (who owns more land then
HMQ, I believe!) At ?2000 a month and having nothing to leave his
children he thought that he ought to invest in bricks and mortar! Both
his daughters went to QEGS so it was a well-known location. Have a great
Christmas yourself, Boris permitting! Cheers, Dave.

On 22/12/2021 15:50, Richard Green wrote:
> Good grief Mr Mundy I didn?t know anyone else had ever heard of Horncastle!
> My home town!
> Hope you have a great Christmas.
> Best wishes
> Dick Green
>
>
>
> Sent from my not so infuriating iPad mini 5!
>
>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 15:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Yesterday, UPS collected four parcels from my house at 1300. Today, they were delivered, two to Nottingham area at 1048 and 1146, one to Somerset at 1221, and the last one to Horncastle at 1431! Amazing service. Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Dec 22 12:54:50 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 18:54:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Chit Chat
Message-ID: <61c3747a.1c69fb81.cb345.10ab@mx.google.com>

I thought I had better keep my peace over the season of goodwill.
I have been fairly chatty on line:
That is explained by my being partially Irish ? it?s said that an Irishman can talk the hind legs off a donkey, so if you see any three legged beasts, I ?ve probably been responsible.
Kissing the Blarney Stone is said to give the ?give of the gab?
Done that, too!
One has to do it upside down, a guy holds you, to stop falling.
But I have a theory that he coaxes your small change and maybe your wallet out of your pocket, to fall into the hands of the leprechauns waiting underneath.
Cynical? Moi?
Pat



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From techtone at protonmail.com  Wed Dec 22 14:40:45 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 20:40:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
Message-ID: <5TH6RzhYpXdBaNZylhegkNQY_SYYr6UG3vktGk7PnkwjsBE2ta8Z-AVRGVdimlV1svhphE6r5SD--hgX9aF82wFtMw8KZlKQZwRJzdDTVRc=@protonmail.com>

Useless Parcel Service. Now worse than Hermes, who've upped their game, and can manage to deliver to our address, and even leave a parcel on the premises. Last UPS delivery only arrived after five days and multiple calls to the vendor, and the only reason we'd ordered was because next day delivery was 'guaranteed' on the value of our order (in excess of ?100). The courier claimed to have tried two or three times every day, but no one was at home (whereas we were, since it was lockdown). Once we agreed that they could ring our home number, of course we found out that they'd no idea how to get to our house, as satnav tries to send vehicles up an extremely narrow lane, whereas all deliveries are simple if you approach from the other end of the lane (and we always include an instruction in delivery notes to this effect).

Thank goodness Covid rules still allow us to go to the shops.

TeaTeaFN - Tony (a 100% guaranteed Irishman - anyone got a good recipe for donkey leg?)

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Dec 22 15:54:34 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 21:54:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
In-Reply-To: <5TH6RzhYpXdBaNZylhegkNQY_SYYr6UG3vktGk7PnkwjsBE2ta8Z-AVRGVdimlV1svhphE6r5SD--hgX9aF82wFtMw8KZlKQZwRJzdDTVRc=@protonmail.com>
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If an online form includes a field for delivery instructions, I always put ?House opposite pub car park?, because all the houses in the village are named, not numbered.  It?s very frustrating to find a particular house because there is no sequence to house names.

However, I don?t think there have been many occasions where a driver has actually read those instructions, they usually cruise up and down looking for the house and asking passers by. Recently Apple Maps has included house names, so drivers using iPhones can get directions directly to any particular house.

Alan Taylor



> On 22 Dec 2021, at 20:41, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Useless Parcel Service. Now worse than Hermes, who've upped their game, and can manage to deliver to our address, and even leave a parcel on the premises. Last UPS delivery only arrived after five days and multiple calls to the vendor, and the only reason we'd ordered was because next day delivery was 'guaranteed' on the value of our order (in excess of ?100). The courier claimed to have tried two or three times every day, but no one was at home (whereas we were, since it was lockdown). Once we agreed that they could ring our home number, of course we found out that they'd no idea how to get to our house, as satnav tries to send vehicles up an extremely narrow lane, whereas all deliveries are simple if you approach from the other end of the lane (and we always include an instruction in delivery notes to this effect).
> 
> Thank goodness Covid rules still allow us to go to the shops.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony (a 100% guaranteed Irishman - anyone got a good recipe for donkey leg?)
> 
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From grahame at gmstev.com  Wed Dec 22 16:49:27 2021
From: grahame at gmstev.com (Grahame Stevens)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 09:49:27 +1100
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
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Alan,

 

You don?t know me but Bernie does.

 

May I suggest the What3Words app which will give you a unique set of three words for EXACTLY where your front door is (or perhaps a drop point you prefer) and the delivery guys will no longer need to ask the neighbours.

 

More info at https://what3words.com/  - you can even get a plaque made with your ?address? so folks know they have arrived!

 

Emergency services use it because it is easy for folks in distress to use and it takes their people to a 3m x 3m square literally anywhere in town, country or in the middle of the ocean?..anywhere in the world.

 

Best thing since sliced bread! 

 

Best Regards

Grahame Stevens

/// buddy.noting.fully  (in case you want to know where my front door is)

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2021 8:55 AM
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)

 

If an online form includes a field for delivery instructions, I always put ?House opposite pub car park?, because all the houses in the village are named, not numbered.  It?s very frustrating to find a particular house because there is no sequence to house names.

 

However, I don?t think there have been many occasions where a driver has actually read those instructions, they usually cruise up and down looking for the house and asking passers by. Recently Apple Maps has included house names, so drivers using iPhones can get directions directly to any particular house.

 

Alan Taylor

 

 





On 22 Dec 2021, at 20:41, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?

Useless Parcel Service. Now worse than Hermes, who've upped their game, and can manage to deliver to our address, and even leave a parcel on the premises. Last UPS delivery only arrived after five days and multiple calls to the vendor, and the only reason we'd ordered was because next day delivery was 'guaranteed' on the value of our order (in excess of ?100). The courier claimed to have tried two or three times every day, but no one was at home (whereas we were, since it was lockdown). Once we agreed that they could ring our home number, of course we found out that they'd no idea how to get to our house, as satnav tries to send vehicles up an extremely narrow lane, whereas all deliveries are simple if you approach from the other end of the lane (and we always include an instruction in delivery notes to this effect).

 

Thank goodness Covid rules still allow us to go to the shops.

 

TeaTeaFN - Tony (a 100% guaranteed Irishman - anyone got a good recipe for donkey leg?)

 

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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Dec 22 17:59:43 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 23:59:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
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In response to comments on Amazon Prime - I?ve been signed up for ages and I?m definitely on the right side where delivery charges are concerned, let alone the option to watch Amazon tv, but we?ve had no problems with deliveries and I get a feeling of d?ja vu when I say that we are getting to know Armando quite well - not that he ever has time to chat!

Mike G

> On 22 Dec 2021, at 22:50, Grahame Stevens via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Alan,
>  
> You don?t know me but Bernie does.
>  
> May I suggest the What3Words app which will give you a unique set of three words for EXACTLY where your front door is (or perhaps a drop point you prefer) and the delivery guys will no longer need to ask the neighbours.
>  
> More info at https://what3words.com/  - you can even get a plaque made with your ?address? so folks know they have arrived!
>  
> Emergency services use it because it is easy for folks in distress to use and it takes their people to a 3m x 3m square literally anywhere in town, country or in the middle of the ocean?..anywhere in the world.
>  
> Best thing since sliced bread!
>  
> Best Regards
> Grahame Stevens
> /// buddy.noting.fully  (in case you want to know where my front door is)
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2021 8:55 AM
> To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
>  
> If an online form includes a field for delivery instructions, I always put ?House opposite pub car park?, because all the houses in the village are named, not numbered.  It?s very frustrating to find a particular house because there is no sequence to house names.
>  
> However, I don?t think there have been many occasions where a driver has actually read those instructions, they usually cruise up and down looking for the house and asking passers by. Recently Apple Maps has included house names, so drivers using iPhones can get directions directly to any particular house.
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
>  
> 
> 
> On 22 Dec 2021, at 20:41, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Useless Parcel Service. Now worse than Hermes, who've upped their game, and can manage to deliver to our address, and even leave a parcel on the premises. Last UPS delivery only arrived after five days and multiple calls to the vendor, and the only reason we'd ordered was because next day delivery was 'guaranteed' on the value of our order (in excess of ?100). The courier claimed to have tried two or three times every day, but no one was at home (whereas we were, since it was lockdown). Once we agreed that they could ring our home number, of course we found out that they'd no idea how to get to our house, as satnav tries to send vehicles up an extremely narrow lane, whereas all deliveries are simple if you approach from the other end of the lane (and we always include an instruction in delivery notes to this effect).
>  
> Thank goodness Covid rules still allow us to go to the shops.
>  
> TeaTeaFN - Tony (a 100% guaranteed Irishman - anyone got a good recipe for donkey leg?)
>  
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>  
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Dec 22 18:13:49 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 00:13:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
In-Reply-To: <3FB2B137-9999-4D29-A54F-0B53A62C2A1A@mac.com>
References: <3FB2B137-9999-4D29-A54F-0B53A62C2A1A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B982B1A9-F560-484E-889E-7A05AE530FE0@mac.com>

Oh yes, I meant to add - what3words is brilliant and integrates with SatNav to direct you to your chosen 3 metre square - can be a bit tight for parking though! 

My wife once fell in the middle of Box Hill and we thought we needed an ambulance. At that time they wanted the post code! But a former marine came to our rescue and to cut the long story short, himself fell heavily on the steeper part of the Burford Spur as he was running to fetch his car, losing his phone and nearly his girlfriend, because when she rang him, the young lady walker who happened across the lost phone answered in a very suspicious voice, which raised the girlfriend?s suspicion that her man was cavorting! What a tangled web we weave - although he wasn?t trying to deceive. 

Perhaps children should be taught the three words for their front door from an early age. 

Mike G

> On 22 Dec 2021, at 23:59, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In response to comments on Amazon Prime - I?ve been signed up for ages and I?m definitely on the right side where delivery charges are concerned, let alone the option to watch Amazon tv, but we?ve had no problems with deliveries and I get a feeling of d?ja vu when I say that we are getting to know Armando quite well - not that he ever has time to chat!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 22:50, Grahame Stevens via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Alan,
>>  
>> You don?t know me but Bernie does.
>>  
>> May I suggest the What3Words app which will give you a unique set of three words for EXACTLY where your front door is (or perhaps a drop point you prefer) and the delivery guys will no longer need to ask the neighbours.
>>  
>> More info at https://what3words.com/  - you can even get a plaque made with your ?address? so folks know they have arrived!
>>  
>> Emergency services use it because it is easy for folks in distress to use and it takes their people to a 3m x 3m square literally anywhere in town, country or in the middle of the ocean?..anywhere in the world.
>>  
>> Best thing since sliced bread!
>>  
>> Best Regards
>> Grahame Stevens
>> /// buddy.noting.fully  (in case you want to know where my front door is)
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2021 8:55 AM
>> To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
>>  
>> If an online form includes a field for delivery instructions, I always put ?House opposite pub car park?, because all the houses in the village are named, not numbered.  It?s very frustrating to find a particular house because there is no sequence to house names.
>>  
>> However, I don?t think there have been many occasions where a driver has actually read those instructions, they usually cruise up and down looking for the house and asking passers by. Recently Apple Maps has included house names, so drivers using iPhones can get directions directly to any particular house.
>>  
>> Alan Taylor
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 20:41, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Useless Parcel Service. Now worse than Hermes, who've upped their game, and can manage to deliver to our address, and even leave a parcel on the premises. Last UPS delivery only arrived after five days and multiple calls to the vendor, and the only reason we'd ordered was because next day delivery was 'guaranteed' on the value of our order (in excess of ?100). The courier claimed to have tried two or three times every day, but no one was at home (whereas we were, since it was lockdown). Once we agreed that they could ring our home number, of course we found out that they'd no idea how to get to our house, as satnav tries to send vehicles up an extremely narrow lane, whereas all deliveries are simple if you approach from the other end of the lane (and we always include an instruction in delivery notes to this effect).
>>  
>> Thank goodness Covid rules still allow us to go to the shops.
>>  
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony (a 100% guaranteed Irishman - anyone got a good recipe for donkey leg?)
>>  
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>  
>> -- 
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Dec 22 18:25:42 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 00:25:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981FF342E6260EB01034AB0A77E9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?Ditto here (Amazon Prime), no probs.
And Pat, it?s not slave labour if they choose to do the job, are being paid, and are free to go home at end of shift.
Our blonde Hermes delivery driver, Ruth, is super-friendly, reliable and universally recognised as a local treasure. So much so that if it?s coming via Hermes, I often order stuff that I don?t even want!
Cheers,
Nick. ( actor.shapeless.waitress )
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

On 23 Dec 2021, at 00:00, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
In response to comments on Amazon Prime - I?ve been signed up for ages and I?m definitely on the right side where delivery charges are concerned, let alone the option to watch Amazon tv, but we?ve had no problems with deliveries and I get a feeling of d?ja vu when I say that we are getting to know Armando quite well - not that he ever has time to chat!

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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 01:41:26 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 07:41:26 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
In-Reply-To: <B982B1A9-F560-484E-889E-7A05AE530FE0@mac.com>
References: <3FB2B137-9999-4D29-A54F-0B53A62C2A1A@mac.com>
	<B982B1A9-F560-484E-889E-7A05AE530FE0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d7f7d0$7e954910$7bbfdb30$@gmail.com>

It certainly doesn?t integrate to all SatNavs!

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 23 December 2021 00:14
To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)

 

Oh yes, I meant to add - what3words is brilliant and integrates with SatNav to direct you to your chosen 3 metre square - can be a bit tight for parking though! 

 

My wife once fell in the middle of Box Hill and we thought we needed an ambulance. At that time they wanted the post code! But a former marine came to our rescue and to cut the long story short, himself fell heavily on the steeper part of the Burford Spur as he was running to fetch his car, losing his phone and nearly his girlfriend, because when she rang him, the young lady walker who happened across the lost phone answered in a very suspicious voice, which raised the girlfriend?s suspicion that her man was cavorting! What a tangled web we weave - although he wasn?t trying to deceive. 

 

Perhaps children should be taught the three words for their front door from an early age. 

 

Mike G





On 22 Dec 2021, at 23:59, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com <mailto:mibridge at mac.com> > wrote:

?

In response to comments on Amazon Prime - I?ve been signed up for ages and I?m definitely on the right side where delivery charges are concerned, let alone the option to watch Amazon tv, but we?ve had no problems with deliveries and I get a feeling of d?ja vu when I say that we are getting to know Armando quite well - not that he ever has time to chat!

 

Mike G





On 22 Dec 2021, at 22:50, Grahame Stevens via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?

Alan,

 

You don?t know me but Bernie does.

 

May I suggest the What3Words app which will give you a unique set of three words for EXACTLY where your front door is (or perhaps a drop point you prefer) and the delivery guys will no longer need to ask the neighbours.

 

More info at https://what3words.com/  - you can even get a plaque made with your ?address? so folks know they have arrived!

 

Emergency services use it because it is easy for folks in distress to use and it takes their people to a 3m x 3m square literally anywhere in town, country or in the middle of the ocean?..anywhere in the world.

 

Best thing since sliced bread! 

 

Best Regards

Grahame Stevens

/// buddy.noting.fully  (in case you want to know where my front door is)

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> > On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2021 8:55 AM
To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >
Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)

 

If an online form includes a field for delivery instructions, I always put ?House opposite pub car park?, because all the houses in the village are named, not numbered.  It?s very frustrating to find a particular house because there is no sequence to house names.

 

However, I don?t think there have been many occasions where a driver has actually read those instructions, they usually cruise up and down looking for the house and asking passers by. Recently Apple Maps has included house names, so drivers using iPhones can get directions directly to any particular house.

 

Alan Taylor

 

 






On 22 Dec 2021, at 20:41, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?

Useless Parcel Service. Now worse than Hermes, who've upped their game, and can manage to deliver to our address, and even leave a parcel on the premises. Last UPS delivery only arrived after five days and multiple calls to the vendor, and the only reason we'd ordered was because next day delivery was 'guaranteed' on the value of our order (in excess of ?100). The courier claimed to have tried two or three times every day, but no one was at home (whereas we were, since it was lockdown). Once we agreed that they could ring our home number, of course we found out that they'd no idea how to get to our house, as satnav tries to send vehicles up an extremely narrow lane, whereas all deliveries are simple if you approach from the other end of the lane (and we always include an instruction in delivery notes to this effect).

 

Thank goodness Covid rules still allow us to go to the shops.

 

TeaTeaFN - Tony (a 100% guaranteed Irishman - anyone got a good recipe for donkey leg?)

 

Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/>  Secure Email.

 

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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Thu Dec 23 06:28:17 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:28:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <2B6320E0-EECF-47FE-B189-1E88B4C4E303@cam.ac.uk>

Merry Christmas one and all from the Bunces!

Here?s a scan of one of my Dad?s Christmas Cards.

Blessings!
Robin

[cid:30694E74-4004-4957-8F4B-D1265FA89090]


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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Thu Dec 23 06:37:27 2021
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:37:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <2B6320E0-EECF-47FE-B189-1E88B4C4E303@cam.ac.uk>
References: <2B6320E0-EECF-47FE-B189-1E88B4C4E303@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <2c26548f-d8bf-61fd-c6a4-03cc62a5327d@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Robin,

Thank you for sharing this.

Your Dad had so many talents.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 23/12/2021 12:28, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote:
> Merry Christmas one and all from the Bunces!
> 
> Here?s a scan of one of my Dad?s Christmas Cards.
> 
> Blessings!
> Robin
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Dec 23 06:54:52 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 12:54:52 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <2c26548f-d8bf-61fd-c6a4-03cc62a5327d@armoor.co.uk>
References: <2B6320E0-EECF-47FE-B189-1E88B4C4E303@cam.ac.uk>
	<2c26548f-d8bf-61fd-c6a4-03cc62a5327d@armoor.co.uk>
Message-ID: <838057402FF742F0BC90EEBCE91C6E8D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Amen to that Ian - pure genius allied to real humour. Priceless.

And Merry Christmas to you Robin and all ex Beebies,

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ian Norman via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2021 12:37 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Merry Christmas

Dear Robin,

Thank you for sharing this.

Your Dad had so many talents.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 23/12/2021 12:28, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote:
> Merry Christmas one and all from the Bunces!
>
> Here?s a scan of one of my Dad?s Christmas Cards.
>
> Blessings!
> Robin
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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From mike.felton at mac.com  Thu Dec 23 07:16:01 2021
From: mike.felton at mac.com (Mike Felton)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 13:16:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims Minim info request
Message-ID: <C1376B66-F151-452F-B4F1-90D08F511E6B@mac.com>

Hi folks!

A question for anyone who can remember back to the 80s! :-)
You will recall the Aims Minim which notoriously cut off the power for the Stone Roses on the live Late Show in 1989? 
If we can reach back in our collective memories I would appreciate some info for a producer who is writing a book e.g.

- was it mandatory to use it?
- when did it come in and when did it stop being used?
- was there a time lag before the power cut after the red light was triggered?
- any old copies of a manual or BBC policy?
- did we maybe only use it for rehearsals (following the Late Show debacle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_8tX3-GSk)
- does anyone know who was sound sup that night?

Stay safe and Happy Christmas!
Cheers
Mike

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 23 08:01:14 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:01:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
In-Reply-To: <B982B1A9-F560-484E-889E-7A05AE530FE0@mac.com>
References: <3FB2B137-9999-4D29-A54F-0B53A62C2A1A@mac.com>
	<B982B1A9-F560-484E-889E-7A05AE530FE0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <599f5bde77davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <B982B1A9-F560-484E-889E-7A05AE530FE0 at mac.com>,
   Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Oh yes, I meant to add - what3words is brilliant and integrates with
> SatNav to direct you to your chosen 3 metre square - can be a bit tight
> for parking though! 

Don't think it would help in my case.

Took a mate to a hospital appointment in Oxford.

Entered the details of the hospital (as given in the letter) on my car
satnav - including the post code.  

Took us the shortest route to the road the hospital is on. Only to
discover it was now blocked off permanently half way along - before the
hospital. With a lengthy detour to get to the other end. And I'd recently
paid for un upgrade to the car satnav claimed to have the latest maps, etc.

We did make it in time, though.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Dec 23 08:07:07 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:07:07 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] One for the wildlife addicts
Message-ID: <4ADE9762B3D14867A2232A5416FC2E2B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

New sub species added to the British list ? passer domesticus barista



First identified at Juliet?s Garden Restaurant, St Mary?s, Isles of Scilly. September 2021

Dave Newbitt.

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 08:11:18 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:11:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims Minim info request
In-Reply-To: <C1376B66-F151-452F-B4F1-90D08F511E6B@mac.com>
References: <C1376B66-F151-452F-B4F1-90D08F511E6B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0b3496ce-9bc7-5966-8a2f-99fdc3869a96@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

There are a couple of entries on the Tech Ops site about Aims Minim;

On 23/12/2021 13:16, Mike Felton via Tech1 wrote:
> does anyone know who was sound sup that night?


      John Hayswas the SA1

This is on page http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/pop-group-sound-levels/

This page may help to answer some of your questions!

The other entries are a link to this page, and a listing in BBC Acronyms 
abbreviations and jargon.


I hope this helps!

Best regards, keep safe

Alec

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Dec 23 08:43:16 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:43:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims Minim info request
In-Reply-To: <C1376B66-F151-452F-B4F1-90D08F511E6B@mac.com>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 09:31:41 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:31:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Merry Christmas
Message-ID: <aefb67ee-095c-0f48-eba9-07d58977b3cb@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thank you so much, Robin, for the scan of one of Roger?s Christmas Cards.

Fancy, Reindeers operating a Mole!


"Rudolph the Swinging Reindeer,

Had a friend who tracked the Mole

As they were both trained T.O.s

Each could do the other's role ......


/[[add your verses and chorus ...]]/


When I joined the BBC in 1963, we had this view of Australian Television.

That it was primitive.

That a studio in the outback consisted of a camera nailed to a plank.

We were wrong ....


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/30/02/2A19546C00000578-0-image-a-6_1435628687854.jpg


A very merry Christmas, and a happy new year.

Best regards, keep safe


Alec


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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Dec 23 10:26:59 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 16:26:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
In-Reply-To: <599f5bde77davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <599f5bde77davesound@btinternet.com>
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You were lucky not to get stuck in a monumental traffic jam near the Oxford hospitals.  It?s normally gridlocked around there. Always has been, probably always will be.

When Janet was working there, it was a half hour drive from Banbury to the Oxford area and then a further 30 to 60 minutes to do the last mile or two. London folks might think that jams like that are commonplace, but it?s not what we expect out in the sticks.

My first experience of gridlock in that area was about 45 years ago when I decided to have a vasectomy.  The procedure was booked for 16:30 and I was told to get somebody else to drive as the anaesthetic would wear off after 60 mins and after that, driving might be impossible.  I didn?t have anybody to drive me home, so I just told them my wife was waiting in the car for me.

The op was done by 17:00 and I was sent on my way, only to discover that I couldn?t get out of the hospital compound due to the gridlock. I sat in a barely moving queue watching the car clock ticking it?s way towards 18:00 and the threat of the anaesthetic ceasing to function.  It was like watching one of those countdown timers much loved by James Bond movies.

By 18:15 I had reached the Oxford ring road and still had 45 mins before I could get home to Newbury. Fortunately the after effects of the op weren?t too bad and although in some discomfort when using the clutch, I was able to get home without incident.

Alan Taylor

> On 23 Dec 2021, at 14:02, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <B982B1A9-F560-484E-889E-7A05AE530FE0 at mac.com>,
>   Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Oh yes, I meant to add - what3words is brilliant and integrates with
>> SatNav to direct you to your chosen 3 metre square - can be a bit tight
>> for parking though! 
> 
> Don't think it would help in my case.
> 
> Took a mate to a hospital appointment in Oxford.
> 
> Entered the details of the hospital (as given in the letter) on my car
> satnav - including the post code.  
> 
> Took us the shortest route to the road the hospital is on. Only to
> discover it was now blocked off permanently half way along - before the
> hospital. With a lengthy detour to get to the other end. And I'd recently
> paid for un upgrade to the car satnav claimed to have the latest maps, etc.
> 
> We did make it in time, though.
> 
> -- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Dec 23 10:35:37 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 16:35:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims Minim info request
In-Reply-To: <C1376B66-F151-452F-B4F1-90D08F511E6B@mac.com>
References: <C1376B66-F151-452F-B4F1-90D08F511E6B@mac.com>
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Hi Mike,

From what I can recall, it was a device mandated by certain councils.  Maybe at council owned venues, or possibly anywhere within their area.

Again from memory, the warning light warned you that you were approaching the limit.  If you quietened down, the warning light went off after maybe ten seconds, but if you kept blasting out the decibels, the power abruptly went off.

I?ve never seen manuals for them, but it wasn?t really something which OB sound crews got involved with, it was more of a concern for electricians and Engineering Managers. 

Alan Taylor




> On 23 Dec 2021, at 13:16, Mike Felton via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi folks!
> 
> A question for anyone who can remember back to the 80s! :-)
> You will recall the Aims Minim which notoriously cut off the power for the Stone Roses on the live Late Show in 1989? 
> If we can reach back in our collective memories I would appreciate some info for a producer who is writing a book e.g.
> 
> - was it mandatory to use it?
> - when did it come in and when did it stop being used?
> - was there a time lag before the power cut after the red light was triggered?
> - any old copies of a manual or BBC policy?
> - did we maybe only use it for rehearsals (following the Late Show debacle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk_8tX3-GSk)
> - does anyone know who was sound sup that night?
> 
> Stay safe and Happy Christmas!
> Cheers
> Mike
> 
> __________________
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Thu Dec 23 11:23:41 2021
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 17:23:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Happy Xmas everyone
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Thu Dec 23 12:36:46 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 18:36:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Merry Christmas
In-Reply-To: <aefb67ee-095c-0f48-eba9-07d58977b3cb@gmail.com>
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Are you sure that?s not Stan Appel? 
(Horse name is your clue)

Peter Fox

On 23 Dec 2021, at 15:32, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Hi all,

Thank you so much, Robin, for the scan of one of Roger?s Christmas Cards.

Fancy, Reindeers operating a Mole!


"Rudolph the Swinging Reindeer,

Had a friend who tracked the Mole

As they were both trained T.O.s

Each could do the other's role ......



[[add your verses and chorus ...]]

 

When I joined the BBC in 1963, we had this view of Australian Television.  

That it was primitive. 

That a studio in the outback consisted of a camera nailed to a plank.

We were wrong ....







A very merry Christmas, and a happy new year.

Best regards, keep safe



Alec



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From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Thu Dec 23 13:58:15 2021
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 19:58:15 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Aims minim
Message-ID: <189361382.100336.1640289495650@apps.talktalk.co.uk>

Hi Mike
I was working on that show but had the early so was somewhat embarressed watching it at home when it all went wrong.

There is stuff on the Tech. Ops website about it.

I seem to remember weeks trying to get the system working along side staff and management concerns about exposure to loud music.

I think it should only have been used for rehearsals and switched to bypass for TX so the traffic lights still lit up.

It was a faff to rig and needed setting up with a sound level meter. I dont think it was used for long - late 1989 to early 1990 would be my quess.

Doug Prior





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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Dec 23 15:37:42 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:37:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
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References: <5TH6RzhYpXdBaNZylhegkNQY_SYYr6UG3vktGk7PnkwjsBE2ta8Z-AVRGVdimlV1svhphE6r5SD--hgX9aF82wFtMw8KZlKQZwRJzdDTVRc=@protonmail.com>
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Quite agree about What3Words, I think everybody with a smartphone should have it installed. Here in Snowdonia several severely injured people have been airlifted out of almost inaccessible locations which have been pinpointed by the app on their phones. I regularly donate to the Welsh Air Ambulance service which is located at their airbase near Dinas Dinlle in a straight line of sight from our cottage (if it's not foggy).

But I very much doubt that the problems with certain delivery couriers would be sorted by our three words, since they would still try to access us via the wrong end of the lane, due to their blinkered reliance on satnav when they approach.

On a positive note, our local DPD driver is simply the best, and always ready for a few quick words if his schedule allows, whilst our local postman is just as good, and knows everyone in the village.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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??????? Original Message ???????
On Wednesday, December 22nd, 2021 at 22:49, Grahame Stevens via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Alan,
>
> You don?t know me but Bernie does.
>
> May I suggest the What3Words app which will give you a unique set of three words for EXACTLY where your front door is (or perhaps a drop point you prefer) and the delivery guys will no longer need to ask the neighbours.
>
> More info at https://what3words.com/ - you can even get a plaque made with your ?address? so folks know they have arrived!
>
> Emergency services use it because it is easy for folks in distress to use and it takes their people to a 3m x 3m square literally anywhere in town, country or in the middle of the ocean?..anywhere in the world.
>
> Best thing since sliced bread!
>
> Best Regards
>
> Grahame Stevens
>
> /// buddy.noting.fully (in case you want to know where my front door is)
>
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, 23 December 2021 8:55 AM
> To: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
>
> If an online form includes a field for delivery instructions, I always put ?House opposite pub car park?, because all the houses in the village are named, not numbered. It?s very frustrating to find a particular house because there is no sequence to house names.
>
> However, I don?t think there have been many occasions where a driver has actually read those instructions, they usually cruise up and down looking for the house and asking passers by. Recently Apple Maps has included house names, so drivers using iPhones can get directions directly to any particular house.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 22 Dec 2021, at 20:41, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ?
>>
>> Useless Parcel Service. Now worse than Hermes, who've upped their game, and can manage to deliver to our address, and even leave a parcel on the premises. Last UPS delivery only arrived after five days and multiple calls to the vendor, and the only reason we'd ordered was because next day delivery was 'guaranteed' on the value of our order (in excess of ?100). The courier claimed to have tried two or three times every day, but no one was at home (whereas we were, since it was lockdown). Once we agreed that they could ring our home number, of course we found out that they'd no idea how to get to our house, as satnav tries to send vehicles up an extremely narrow lane, whereas all deliveries are simple if you approach from the other end of the lane (and we always include an instruction in delivery notes to this effect).
>>
>> Thank goodness Covid rules still allow us to go to the shops.
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony (a 100% guaranteed Irishman - anyone got a good recipe for donkey leg?)
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 23 15:45:52 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:45:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims minim
In-Reply-To: <189361382.100336.1640289495650@apps.talktalk.co.uk>
References: <189361382.100336.1640289495650@apps.talktalk.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5f960baa-9a89-6952-341a-fdb94604fe21@btinternet.com>

Whenever I saw one being used on a show it was clear that the groups 
used it as a measure of their performance and made sure that the lights 
were on as much as possible! Cheers, Dave

On 23/12/2021 19:58, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Mike
> I was working on that show but had the early so was somewhat 
> embarressed watching it at home when it all went wrong.
>
> There is stuff on the Tech. Ops website about it.
>
> I seem to remember weeks trying to get the system working along side 
> staff and management concerns about exposure to loud music.
>
> I think it should only have been used for rehearsals and switched to 
> bypass for TX so the traffic lights still lit up.
>
> It was a faff to rig and needed setting up with a sound level meter. I 
> dont think it was used for long - late 1989 to early 1990 would be my 
> quess.
>
> Doug Prior
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from OX Mail
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Thu Dec 23 15:55:55 2021
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:55:55 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims Minim
Message-ID: <004301d7f847$dcc05e40$96411ac0$@btopenworld.com>

This was a traffic light system that purported to safeguard the hearing of
BBC staff who were obliged to work in areas where high sound levels were
expected to exist. As far as I recall the three levels were:

Green   Safe for all

Amber  Reaching pre-set level to disconnect mains

Red       (after 5 secs) Mains disconnected

A mic was placed in position reckoned as being the closest to the sound
source and this was used to measure the sound pressure level at that point.
Sadly, I can't remember the settings.

Of course, it backfired in several ways. Yes! it actually worked on a live
TX but we found that musicians would play louder and louder until they
"tickled" the red light. Net result the overall sound exposure probably
increased!

Did it measure instantaneous spl or was the cumulative exposure?
Instantaneous I would imagine.

I seem to recall that it was downgraded to give advice to the TM2 rather
than knock a live programme off air.

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Dec 23 15:57:12 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 21:57:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims minim
In-Reply-To: <5f960baa-9a89-6952-341a-fdb94604fe21@btinternet.com>
References: <5f960baa-9a89-6952-341a-fdb94604fe21@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <9E275408-AB76-45C9-9725-9496BDB1DFFD@me.com>

In a similar vein, I remember listening to John Peel late one evening when he played a track which had a lot of energy. When it ended he said how much he enjoyed it and explained that his headphones had a little red warning light to alert him if he was listening dangerously loud.  He proudly added that during that last track, the LED didn?t so much as blink off for even one millisecond. 

Alan Taylor
> On 23 Dec 2021, at 21:46, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Whenever I saw one being used on a show it was clear that the groups used it as a measure of their performance and made sure that the lights were on as much as possible! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 23/12/2021 19:58, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>> Hi Mike
>> I was working on that show but had the early so was somewhat embarressed watching it at home when it all went wrong.
>> 
>> There is stuff on the Tech. Ops website about it.
>> 
>> I seem to remember weeks trying to get the system working along side staff and management concerns about exposure to loud music.
>> 
>> I think it should only have been used for rehearsals and switched to bypass for TX so the traffic lights still lit up.
>> 
>> It was a faff to rig and needed setting up with a sound level meter. I dont think it was used for long - late 1989 to early 1990 would be my quess.
>> 
>> Doug Prior
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from OX Mail
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 24 02:56:17 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 08:56:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
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That?s cunning, Nick! Presumably if you didn?t want the goods, in sending them back, your delivery lass would have to call again!
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 23 December 2021 00:25
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)

?Our blonde Hermes delivery driver, Ruth, is super-friendly, reliable and universally recognised as a local treasure. So much so that if it?s coming via Hermes, I often order stuff that I don?t even want!
Cheers,
Nick. ( actor.shapeless.waitress )
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Dec 24 03:22:03 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 09:22:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
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I assume the lady in question doesn?t conform to the middle of Nick?s 3 words.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 24 Dec 2021, at 08:56, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> That?s cunning, Nick! Presumably if you didn?t want the goods, in sending them back, your delivery lass would have to call again!
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Nick Ware via Tech1
> Sent: 23 December 2021 00:25
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
>  
> ?Our blonde Hermes delivery driver, Ruth, is super-friendly, reliable and universally recognised as a local treasure. So much so that if it?s coming via Hermes, I often order stuff that I don?t even want!
> Cheers,
> Nick. ( actor.shapeless.waitress )
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Dec 24 05:11:13 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:11:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Lock Down Christmas
Message-ID: <61c5aad1.1c69fb81.fe441.64dd@mx.google.com>

Expecting a lockdown or self isolating Christmas, I have made sure of food and entertainment. I have to applaud Amazon for delivering some DVD?s ordered but not expected before the 25th. They all arrived in good time!
For interest:
?Futtocks End? ? this new Bluray version is heaps better than previous DVD transfers, and still amuses me greatly.
?No Time To Die? ? this Bluray arrived on the very day that it was due to be released ? well done Amazon!
?The Best of Cinerama? ? being interested in all aspects of cinema, I had acquired previously, a couple of Cinerama releases on disc. These were painstakingly restored, and the transitions between the three screens cleverly smoothed out, no bending where an object crossed the join. It?s possible to see where the screens join as there is a faint shadow line.
This system was the widest screen at the time until IMAX came into being. The subject matter was dependant on spectacle, they managed to get the cameras onto the front of an aircraft for stunning aerial shots, also down a ski run, and on an outrigger canoe in Hawaii.
There is a working 3-screen theatre at the Bradford Media Museum. That place is well worth a visit ? plenty of excellent curry houses as well!
Have a good, peaceful Christmas, everyone.
Best
Pat



 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 24 05:19:06 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:19:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
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I see that Nick has picked out an amusing What 3 Words in 
actor.shapeless.waitress, when he could have had moon.punks.strictest, 
or any number of others pretty much in the same place.? As the system 
becomes more popular maybe it won't just be a good postcode with fast 
broadband that people buy in.

Bernie
Currently? ///dine.care.unless



On 24/12/2021 08:56, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> That?s cunning, Nick! Presumably if you didn?t want the goods, in 
> sending them back, your delivery lass would have to call again!
>
> Pat
>
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> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
>
> ?Our blonde Hermes delivery driver, Ruth, is super-friendly, reliable 
> and universally recognised as a local treasure. So much so that if 
> it?s coming via Hermes, I often order stuff that I don?t even want!
> Cheers,
>
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>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Dec 24 05:21:36 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 11:21:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims minim
In-Reply-To: <189361382.100336.1640289495650@apps.talktalk.co.uk>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Dec 24 06:04:26 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 12:04:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
In-Reply-To: <5e1fffc2-176f-24c6-f80f-14723ae318c9@gmail.com>
References: <PAXP191MB1981FF342E6260EB01034AB0A77E9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<61c58b31.1c69fb81.4858a.725e@mx.google.com>
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The barn I've been reconstructing this year can manage 
flashing/baked/connected amongst many, many others!

Chris W


On 24/12/2021 11:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I see that Nick has picked out an amusing What 3 Words in 
> actor.shapeless.waitress, when he could have had moon.punks.strictest, 
> or any number of others pretty much in the same place.? As the system 
> becomes more popular maybe it won't just be a good postcode with fast 
> broadband that people buy in.
>
> Bernie
> Currently? ///dine.care.unless
>
>
>
> On 24/12/2021 08:56, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> That?s cunning, Nick! Presumably if you didn?t want the goods, in 
>> sending them back, your delivery lass would have to call again!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows
>>
>> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *23 December 2021 00:25
>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] UPS (was Horncastle)
>>
>> ?Our blonde Hermes delivery driver, Ruth, is super-friendly, reliable 
>> and universally recognised as a local treasure. So much so that if 
>> it?s coming via Hermes, I often order stuff that I don?t even want!
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Nick. ( actor.shapeless.waitress )
>>
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 24 17:13:51 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2021 23:13:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Royal Carols from Westminster Abbey
Message-ID: <1aa4cc39-8338-fde3-dab4-a837e3b71a88@btinternet.com>

So, the HRH's didn't want the BBC to show it, but just looking at the 
credits the VM was Hilary, the SS was Mathew, half of Andy Paynes 
company who did Carols from Kings earlier, and a huge credit at the end 
for the BBC Production! Duh! Cheers, Dave



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 05:05:27 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 11:05:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Have yourself a merry little Christmas
Message-ID: <9a0d9364-3b89-b2cb-d10f-597db5da3ba9@gmail.com>

My daughter, who is a bit paranoid about these things, is visiting 
today. The rest of us have had to test, the first time I've done this.?? 
Someone out there is making a huge amount of money from all this.

The box comes with a Chinese certificate of quality.



And a happy new year.

B
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 05:25:30 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 11:25:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Have yourself a merry little Christmas
In-Reply-To: <9a0d9364-3b89-b2cb-d10f-597db5da3ba9@gmail.com>
References: <9a0d9364-3b89-b2cb-d10f-597db5da3ba9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC625951-0583-4B93-B817-11BE8FE1FAA8@gmail.com>

Mine is a bit like that too as being a teacher she has to do them regularly. I?ve only done one home test myself. It was when I was feeling unwell and the throat swab made me gag. I watched nervously as the pink dye crept along the indicator and thankfully it left only one line at the end.
I?m fascinated to know how the science behind it which apparently is similar to a pregnancy test and am confident that Alan or one of you will know.
Hope you all had or are having a Happy Christmas. We have our family here today, 
Regards,
Geoff


> On 26 Dec 2021, at 11:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? My daughter, who is a bit paranoid about these things, is visiting today. The rest of us have had to test, the first time I've done this.   Someone out there is making a huge amount of money from all this.  
> 
> The box comes with a Chinese certificate of quality.  
> 
> 
> 
> And a happy new year.
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Dec 26 06:12:07 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 12:12:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Have yourself a merry little Christmas
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16 of us here later (all LF tested) at what the family refer to as ?Ware HQ?. The turkey?s a big ?un and we?ve told them the sprouts are compulsary.
For Christmas, my lovely wife got a nice frock and a scribble pad thingy that turns her handwritten notes into text. I got socks.
Joy to the World!
Nick.
Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088

On 26 Dec 2021, at 11:26, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Mine is a bit like that too as being a teacher she has to do them regularly. I?ve only done one home test myself. It was when I was feeling unwell and the throat swab made me gag. I watched nervously as the pink dye crept along the indicator and thankfully it left only one line at the end.
I?m fascinated to know how the science behind it which apparently is similar to a pregnancy test and am confident that Alan or one of you will know.
Hope you all had or are having a Happy Christmas. We have our family here today,
Regards,
Geoff


On 26 Dec 2021, at 11:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? My daughter, who is a bit paranoid about these things, is visiting today. The rest of us have had to test, the first time I've done this.   Someone out there is making a huge amount of money from all this.

The box comes with a Chinese certificate of quality.

<test1.jpg>


And a happy new year.

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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Sun Dec 26 06:39:08 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 12:39:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
Message-ID: <0F185733-0F9F-4931-8390-B347C64EFB77@cam.ac.uk>

Dear All,

Happy Boxing Day! I hope all is well. I?m continuing to go through my Dad?s paintings, drawings and writings. Here?s a painting of, what I assume is, a Gallery at TVC.

Wishing you all well,

Robin

[cid:DC19B62D-0C76-438A-B401-1079881CC1BF]


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Dec 26 07:09:14 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 13:09:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
In-Reply-To: <0F185733-0F9F-4931-8390-B347C64EFB77@cam.ac.uk>
References: <0F185733-0F9F-4931-8390-B347C64EFB77@cam.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <be7cf605-5a3a-0024-c2a0-d9e1676f82aa@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Not sure it is a production gallery - the desk orientation doesn't look 
right. More possibly Pres? Bernie can probably conform or deny that.

Chris W


On 26/12/2021 12:39, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Happy Boxing Day! I hope all is well. I?m continuing to go through my 
> Dad?s paintings, drawings and writings. Here?s a painting of, what I 
> assume is, a Gallery at TVC.
>
> Wishing you all well,
>
> Robin
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Sun Dec 26 08:08:21 2021
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 14:08:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
In-Reply-To: <be7cf605-5a3a-0024-c2a0-d9e1676f82aa@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <0F185733-0F9F-4931-8390-B347C64EFB77@cam.ac.uk>
	<be7cf605-5a3a-0024-c2a0-d9e1676f82aa@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Is it possibly Network control, next to Pres ?

Merry Christmas and Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 26/12/2021 13:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> Not sure it is a production gallery - the desk orientation doesn't look 
> right. More possibly Pres? Bernie can probably conform or deny that.
> 
> Chris W
> 
> 
> On 26/12/2021 12:39, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>
>> Happy Boxing Day! I hope all is well. I?m continuing to go through my 
>> Dad?s paintings, drawings and writings. Here?s a painting of, what I 
>> assume is, a Gallery at TVC.
>>
>> Wishing you all well,
>>
>> Robin
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Dec 26 08:10:04 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 14:10:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Have yourself a merry little Christmas
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB19810AA442FDD4EFDBEB1C01A7419@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PAXP191MB19810AA442FDD4EFDBEB1C01A7419@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <FC099365-D821-4B39-828F-FC64B8E3570E@me.com>

I?ve got the opposite thing to that gadget your wife has.  My gadget turns witty and wise thoughts into written nonsense.

As our family includes quite a few grandchildren, we decided a couple of months ago that as Covid was mostly spreading amongst schoolchildren, it would be best not to mix the generations. We cancelled our big Christmas dinner and have seen the family just one or two at a time, keeping them to the far side of a well ventilated room. 

As we didn?t want to single out anybody for a Christmas day ?work meeting?, we had the day to ourselves.  Dinner was individual beef Wellingtons using locally reared beef from a top quality butcher.  Just perfect for two and no leftovers to use up later. 

As far as how LFTs work, I?ve never given them much thought.  In Janet?s hospital they regard a negative result as not being particularly significant one way or the other, but a positive test is definitely positive, even if the red line is very faint. The problem being that LFTs aren?t very sensitive and can fail to react to low viral payloads, such as in the early stages of infection. In such cases, if you repeat the test a few hours later, you might get a different result.

Alan Taylor

> On 26 Dec 2021, at 12:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? 16 of us here later (all LF tested) at what the family refer to as ?Ware HQ?. The turkey?s a big ?un and we?ve told them the sprouts are compulsary.
> For Christmas, my lovely wife got a nice frock and a scribble pad thingy that turns her handwritten notes into text. I got socks.
> Joy to the World!
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
> 
>>> On 26 Dec 2021, at 11:26, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? Mine is a bit like that too as being a teacher she has to do them regularly. I?ve only done one home test myself. It was when I was feeling unwell and the throat swab made me gag. I watched nervously as the pink dye crept along the indicator and thankfully it left only one line at the end.
>> I?m fascinated to know how the science behind it which apparently is similar to a pregnancy test and am confident that Alan or one of you will know.
>> Hope you all had or are having a Happy Christmas. We have our family here today, 
>> Regards,
>> Geoff
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26 Dec 2021, at 11:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? My daughter, who is a bit paranoid about these things, is visiting today. The rest of us have had to test, the first time I've done this.   Someone out there is making a huge amount of money from all this.  
>>> 
>>> The box comes with a Chinese certificate of quality.  
>>> 
>>> <test1.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> And a happy new year.
>>> 
>>> B
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Dec 26 08:42:51 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 14:42:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Have yourself a merry little Christmas
In-Reply-To: <FC099365-D821-4B39-828F-FC64B8E3570E@me.com>
References: <PAXP191MB19810AA442FDD4EFDBEB1C01A7419@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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A few weeks ago, my brother and SIL (both about 80) went to a grandkid's 
birthday party Just really for them, as only immediate family present. 
Grandkid tested positive next school day. As then did other grandkid and 
mother - but not father. SIL then tested positive a couple of days 
later, and my brother a couple of days after that. All had all the full 
jabs by age.? And very luckily, only mild for all of them.

On 26/12/2021 14:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?ve got the opposite thing to that gadget your wife has. ?My gadget 
> turns witty and wise thoughts into written nonsense.
>
> As our family includes quite a few grandchildren, we decided a couple 
> of months ago that as Covid was mostly spreading amongst 
> schoolchildren, it would be best not to mix the generations. We 
> cancelled our big Christmas dinner and have seen the family just one 
> or two at a time, keeping them to the far side of a well ventilated room.
>
> As we didn?t want to single out anybody for a Christmas day ?work 
> meeting?, we had the day to ourselves. ?Dinner was individual beef 
> Wellingtons using locally reared beef from a top quality butcher. 
> ?Just perfect for two and no leftovers to use up later.
>
> As far as how LFTs work, I?ve never given them much thought. ?In 
> Janet?s hospital they regard a negative result as not being 
> particularly significant one way or the other, but a positive test is 
> definitely positive, even if the red line is very faint. The problem 
> being that LFTs aren?t very sensitive and can fail to react to low 
> viral payloads, such as in the early stages of infection. In such 
> cases, if you repeat the test a few hours later, you might get a 
> different result.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 26 Dec 2021, at 12:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? 16 of us here later (all LF tested) at what the family refer to as 
>> ?Ware HQ?. The turkey?s a big ?un and we?ve told them the sprouts are 
>> compulsary.
>> For Christmas, my lovely wife got a nice frock and a scribble pad 
>> thingy that turns her handwritten notes into text. I got socks.
>> Joy to the World!
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - From my iPad mini 6th Gen. 07802-246088
>>
>>> On 26 Dec 2021, at 11:26, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? Mine is a bit like that too as being a teacher she has to do them 
>>> regularly. I?ve only done one home test myself. It was when I was 
>>> feeling unwell and the throat swab made me gag. I watched nervously 
>>> as the pink dye crept along the indicator and thankfully it left 
>>> only one line at the end.
>>> I?m fascinated to know how the science behind it which apparently is 
>>> similar to a pregnancy test and am confident that Alan or one of you 
>>> will know.
>>> Hope you all had or are having a Happy Christmas. We have our family 
>>> here today,
>>> Regards,
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 26 Dec 2021, at 11:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? My daughter, who is a bit paranoid about these things, is 
>>>> visiting today. The rest of us have had to test, the first time 
>>>> I've done this.?? Someone out there is making a huge amount of 
>>>> money from all this.
>>>>
>>>> The box comes with a Chinese certificate of quality.
>>>>
>>>> <test1.jpg>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And a happy new year.
>>>>
>>>> B
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sun Dec 26 09:06:46 2021
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 15:06:46 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] 9 oclock News Christmas 1986
Message-ID: <8e15058a-39d4-4432-a069-a55e3f70baac@me.com>

>From THE EYES OF A GENERATION face book page for those who have not seen it before.Happy tense days for some. When things were really live!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqhEpjOf__ATony Nuttall
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 17:17:49 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 23:17:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
In-Reply-To: <ed42abc7-a887-8856-e871-e0ae9d941260@armoor.co.uk>
References: <0F185733-0F9F-4931-8390-B347C64EFB77@cam.ac.uk>
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Mrs Network Director and I don't recognise this place as one we worked 
in.? Maybe the original ICR?

B



On 26/12/2021 14:08, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
> Is it possibly Network control, next to Pres ?
>
> Merry Christmas and Stay safe
>
> Ian Norman
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
>
> On 26/12/2021 13:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>> Not sure it is a production gallery - the desk orientation doesn't 
>> look right. More possibly Pres? Bernie can probably conform or deny 
>> that.
>>
>> Chris W
>>
>>
>> On 26/12/2021 12:39, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> Happy Boxing Day! I hope all is well. I?m continuing to go through 
>>> my Dad?s paintings, drawings and writings. Here?s a painting of, 
>>> what I assume is, a Gallery at TVC.
>>>
>>> Wishing you all well,
>>>
>>> Robin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
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From doug at adcoldwell.plus.com  Sun Dec 26 17:42:58 2021
From: doug at adcoldwell.plus.com (Doug Coldwell)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2021 23:42:58 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
References: <0F185733-0F9F-4931-8390-B347C64EFB77@cam.ac.uk><be7cf605-5a3a-0024-c2a0-d9e1676f82aa@chriswoolf.co.uk><ed42abc7-a887-8856-e871-e0ae9d941260@armoor.co.uk>
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How about Pres B in 1966

Doug Coldwell
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Gallery TVC


  Mrs Network Director and I don't recognise this place as one we worked in.  Maybe the original ICR? 

  B




  On 26/12/2021 14:08, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:

    Is it possibly Network control, next to Pres ? 

    Merry Christmas and Stay safe 

    Ian Norman 

    Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk 
    Telephone: 01643 888181 

    On 26/12/2021 13:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: 

      Not sure it is a production gallery - the desk orientation doesn't look right. More possibly Pres? Bernie can probably conform or deny that. 

      Chris W 


      On 26/12/2021 12:39, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote: 

        Dear All, 

        Happy Boxing Day! I hope all is well. I?m continuing to go through my Dad?s paintings, drawings and writings. Here?s a painting of, what I assume is, a Gallery at TVC. 

        Wishing you all well, 

        Robin 



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 27 05:40:50 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 11:40:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
In-Reply-To: <003e01d7fab2$75fdf7e0$0e01a8c0@ColdwellPC>
References: <0F185733-0F9F-4931-8390-B347C64EFB77@cam.ac.uk>
	<be7cf605-5a3a-0024-c2a0-d9e1676f82aa@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Doug, I think, scores the winning goal. ? A year or two later than 1966 
though, because Roger has some colour monitors.

B



On 26/12/2021 23:42, Doug Coldwell wrote:
> ?
> How about Pres B in 1966
> Doug Coldwell
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     *Sent:* Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:17 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
>
>     Mrs Network Director and I don't recognise this place as one we
>     worked in.? Maybe the original ICR?
>
>     B
>
>
>
>     On 26/12/2021 14:08, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
>>     Is it possibly Network control, next to Pres ?
>>
>>     Merry Christmas and Stay safe
>>
>>     Ian Norman
>>
>>     Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>     Telephone: 01643 888181
>>
>>     On 26/12/2021 13:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>>>     Not sure it is a production gallery - the desk orientation
>>>     doesn't look right. More possibly Pres? Bernie can probably
>>>     conform or deny that.
>>>
>>>     Chris W
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 26/12/2021 12:39, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>     Dear All,
>>>>
>>>>     Happy Boxing Day! I hope all is well. I?m continuing to go
>>>>     through my Dad?s paintings, drawings and writings. Here?s a
>>>>     painting of, what I assume is, a Gallery at TVC.
>>>>
>>>>     Wishing you all well,
>>>>
>>>>     Robin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Mon Dec 27 09:56:09 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 15:56:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
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Great work people! My Dad always had a soft spot for Pres B!

Happy New Year!

Robin

Sent from my iPhone

On 27 Dec 2021, at 11:41, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Doug, I think, scores the winning goal.   A year or two later than 1966 though, because Roger has some colour monitors.

B

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On 26/12/2021 23:42, Doug Coldwell wrote:
?
How about Pres B in 1966

Doug Coldwell
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2021 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Gallery TVC

Mrs Network Director and I don't recognise this place as one we worked in.  Maybe the original ICR?

B



On 26/12/2021 14:08, Ian Norman via Tech1 wrote:
Is it possibly Network control, next to Pres ?

Merry Christmas and Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 26/12/2021 13:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
Not sure it is a production gallery - the desk orientation doesn't look right. More possibly Pres? Bernie can probably conform or deny that.

Chris W


On 26/12/2021 12:39, R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1 wrote:
Dear All,

Happy Boxing Day! I hope all is well. I?m continuing to go through my Dad?s paintings, drawings and writings. Here?s a painting of, what I assume is, a Gallery at TVC.

Wishing you all well,

Robin



Sent from my iPhone


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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Mon Dec 27 11:54:02 2021
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 17:54:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Google earth
References: <02111B97-142C-4CED-B451-1F77777851D5.ref@sky.com>
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My Google earth app on my iPad is just black, can anyone else confirm this or is it my problem?

Sent from my iPad


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Dec 27 12:03:32 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:03:32 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
Message-ID: <1B9B1A6BDEF14B038176E7F3039805F5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

This morning I went to the small local hospital facility at Chard and find I have shingles ? right arm and right side of rib cage. For a week I have been in significant pain which became pretty severe on Christmas day and has continued so up to now with but little likelihood of it reducing any time soon. As with other forms of nerve pain the standard painkillers do little if anything. The last two nights have, fitful dozing apart, been sleepless ? I have propped myself up to a semi-upright reclining position as lying down proved just too excruciating.

This is not a sympathy search, rather I hope to draw attention to the realities. I will be 79 in February and I had the shingles vaccination when I was 70. At the time I understood this to be a one time protection measure. I now find that 5 years is about all that can be expected which explains my plight. It is not clear to me whether I could have requested a repeat when I was 75 or so, but I find that  vaccinations are only available to the 70-79 age group as the process is considered ineffective at 80 and over. Indeed it seems that it is less effective in the 70+ group as compared to the 60+ group though it is hard to see where the data come from given that in the UK at least you aren?t offered it before 70. The symptoms are apparently worse the older you get. My wife did develop shingles two or three years ago but that was only a couple of years after her vaccination and her symptoms, particularly the pain levels, were relatively mild.

So for any of you hovering around your mid-seventies with one vaccination under your belt, it might be worth checking if a repeat is available.

Chirpy little soul, aren?t I!! 

Happy New Year to all,

Dave Newbitt.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Dec 27 12:06:11 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:06:11 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Google earth
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I have Google Earth Pro on my Windows 10 PC and it is behaving as normal.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: B Wilkinson via Tech1
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 5:54 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Google earth

My Google earth app on my iPad is just black, can anyone else confirm this 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Dec 27 12:50:01 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 18:50:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <1B9B1A6BDEF14B038176E7F3039805F5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <1B9B1A6BDEF14B038176E7F3039805F5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <61ca0ad9.1c69fb81.e3b6b.6bc2@mx.google.com>

Dave, I do sympathise. My father encountered shingles at a late age and it was reported as being extremely painful.
He got over it, and I believe that it?s a hangover from childhood chickenpox. Once you have had that, it never totally goes away and the virus hangs around in your body. I had chickenpox while at boarding prep school and was banished off home! That suited me pretty well! Before the infection, I had built a puppet theatre, together with friends. There was a visit to the school by a professional marionette company, and as I was on the mend, the headmaster sent his car to collect me to see the performance. A nice gesture on his part, given that he was equally adept at wielding the cane!
Hope you recover quickly.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 27 December 2021 18:03
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles

This morning I went to the small local hospital facility at Chard and find I have shingles ? right arm and right side of rib cage. For a week I have been in significant pain which became pretty severe on Christmas day and has continued so up to now with but little likelihood of it reducing any time soon. 



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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Dec 27 13:26:16 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 19:26:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Google earth
In-Reply-To: <02111B97-142C-4CED-B451-1F77777851D5@sky.com>
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It works OK here on my iPad.

Try shutting down the app.  Two quick presses on the home button ( if you have one ) to bring up a screen showing all the current foreground apps. Then slide up the Google Earth page and it will reset when you open it again.  

If that doesn?t work, power down and restart the iPad.  Last resort is delete the app and reinstall it, but that?s rarely needed.

Alan Taylor

> On 27 Dec 2021, at 17:54, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?My Google earth app on my iPad is just black, can anyone else confirm this or is it my problem?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Dec 27 14:26:45 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 20:26:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <1B9B1A6BDEF14B038176E7F3039805F5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <1B9B1A6BDEF14B038176E7F3039805F5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <50A00F73-8D49-4FAC-A244-BEDD191E1F1D@mac.com>

My wife developed shingles, though we didn?t know it at the time, whilst we were in Italy, very soon after having the jab. It was excruciating and we first put it down to muscle strain after lifting her flight again awkwardly from the security check conveyor belt. We visited A & E as soon as we got back and with no rash at that stage they agreed that it was muscle strain and taught me how to do the appropriate massage, which didn?t help at all. The following day our hairdresser came and as soon as she heard the symptoms, she said ?You?ve got shingles!? and, sure enough, the rash developed the day after that. 

The GP agreed and when asked about the shingles jab, she simply said that it quite often doesn?t work. It?s a jolly nasty thing. 

Mike G



> On 27 Dec 2021, at 18:04, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> This morning I went to the small local hospital facility at Chard and find I have shingles ? right arm and right side of rib cage. For a week I have been in significant pain which became pretty severe on Christmas day and has continued so up to now with but little likelihood of it reducing any time soon. As with other forms of nerve pain the standard painkillers do little if anything. The last two nights have, fitful dozing apart, been sleepless ? I have propped myself up to a semi-upright reclining position as lying down proved just too excruciating.
>  
> This is not a sympathy search, rather I hope to draw attention to the realities. I will be 79 in February and I had the shingles vaccination when I was 70. At the time I understood this to be a one time protection measure. I now find that 5 years is about all that can be expected which explains my plight. It is not clear to me whether I could have requested a repeat when I was 75 or so, but I find that  vaccinations are only available to the 70-79 age group as the process is considered ineffective at 80 and over. Indeed it seems that it is less effective in the 70+ group as compared to the 60+ group though it is hard to see where the data come from given that in the UK at least you aren?t offered it before 70. The symptoms are apparently worse the older you get. My wife did develop shingles two or three years ago but that was only a couple of years after her vaccination and her symptoms, particularly the pain levels, were relatively mild.
>  
> So for any of you hovering around your mid-seventies with one vaccination under your belt, it might be worth checking if a repeat is available.
>  
> Chirpy little soul, aren?t I!!
>  
> Happy New Year to all,
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Dec 27 14:29:28 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 20:29:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <50A00F73-8D49-4FAC-A244-BEDD191E1F1D@mac.com>
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?flight again? should have been ?flight bag?!

Mike G

> On 27 Dec 2021, at 20:27, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My wife developed shingles, though we didn?t know it at the time, whilst we were in Italy, very soon after having the jab. It was excruciating and we first put it down to muscle strain after lifting her flight again awkwardly from the security check conveyor belt. We visited A & E as soon as we got back and with no rash at that stage they agreed that it was muscle strain and taught me how to do the appropriate massage, which didn?t help at all. The following day our hairdresser came and as soon as she heard the symptoms, she said ?You?ve got shingles!? and, sure enough, the rash developed the day after that. 
> 
> The GP agreed and when asked about the shingles jab, she simply said that it quite often doesn?t work. It?s a jolly nasty thing. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 27 Dec 2021, at 18:04, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> This morning I went to the small local hospital facility at Chard and find I have shingles ? right arm and right side of rib cage. For a week I have been in significant pain which became pretty severe on Christmas day and has continued so up to now with but little likelihood of it reducing any time soon. As with other forms of nerve pain the standard painkillers do little if anything. The last two nights have, fitful dozing apart, been sleepless ? I have propped myself up to a semi-upright reclining position as lying down proved just too excruciating.
>>  
>> This is not a sympathy search, rather I hope to draw attention to the realities. I will be 79 in February and I had the shingles vaccination when I was 70. At the time I understood this to be a one time protection measure. I now find that 5 years is about all that can be expected which explains my plight. It is not clear to me whether I could have requested a repeat when I was 75 or so, but I find that  vaccinations are only available to the 70-79 age group as the process is considered ineffective at 80 and over. Indeed it seems that it is less effective in the 70+ group as compared to the 60+ group though it is hard to see where the data come from given that in the UK at least you aren?t offered it before 70. The symptoms are apparently worse the older you get. My wife did develop shingles two or three years ago but that was only a couple of years after her vaccination and her symptoms, particularly the pain levels, were relatively mild.
>>  
>> So for any of you hovering around your mid-seventies with one vaccination under your belt, it might be worth checking if a repeat is available.
>>  
>> Chirpy little soul, aren?t I!!
>>  
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Dec 27 14:57:30 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 20:57:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <50A00F73-8D49-4FAC-A244-BEDD191E1F1D@mac.com>
References: <50A00F73-8D49-4FAC-A244-BEDD191E1F1D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <838BCEDA-33E7-4D29-9157-1B60FC3BF1DC@me.com>

Another thing about the shingles jab is that a pack of ten jabs costs ?1,000, making it ?100 a pop.  It?s little wonder that GPs administer the jabs sparingly.

Alan Taylor

> On 27 Dec 2021, at 20:27, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My wife developed shingles, though we didn?t know it at the time, whilst we were in Italy, very soon after having the jab. It was excruciating and we first put it down to muscle strain after lifting her flight again awkwardly from the security check conveyor belt. We visited A & E as soon as we got back and with no rash at that stage they agreed that it was muscle strain and taught me how to do the appropriate massage, which didn?t help at all. The following day our hairdresser came and as soon as she heard the symptoms, she said ?You?ve got shingles!? and, sure enough, the rash developed the day after that. 
> 
> The GP agreed and when asked about the shingles jab, she simply said that it quite often doesn?t work. It?s a jolly nasty thing. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 27 Dec 2021, at 18:04, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> This morning I went to the small local hospital facility at Chard and find I have shingles ? right arm and right side of rib cage. For a week I have been in significant pain which became pretty severe on Christmas day and has continued so up to now with but little likelihood of it reducing any time soon. As with other forms of nerve pain the standard painkillers do little if anything. The last two nights have, fitful dozing apart, been sleepless ? I have propped myself up to a semi-upright reclining position as lying down proved just too excruciating.
>>  
>> This is not a sympathy search, rather I hope to draw attention to the realities. I will be 79 in February and I had the shingles vaccination when I was 70. At the time I understood this to be a one time protection measure. I now find that 5 years is about all that can be expected which explains my plight. It is not clear to me whether I could have requested a repeat when I was 75 or so, but I find that  vaccinations are only available to the 70-79 age group as the process is considered ineffective at 80 and over. Indeed it seems that it is less effective in the 70+ group as compared to the 60+ group though it is hard to see where the data come from given that in the UK at least you aren?t offered it before 70. The symptoms are apparently worse the older you get. My wife did develop shingles two or three years ago but that was only a couple of years after her vaccination and her symptoms, particularly the pain levels, were relatively mild.
>>  
>> So for any of you hovering around your mid-seventies with one vaccination under your belt, it might be worth checking if a repeat is available.
>>  
>> Chirpy little soul, aren?t I!!
>>  
>> Happy New Year to all,
>>  
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Dec 27 17:50:18 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2021 23:50:18 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <61ca0ad9.1c69fb81.e3b6b.6bc2@mx.google.com>
References: <1B9B1A6BDEF14B038176E7F3039805F5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Thanks Pat ? at the minute I?m looking for a magic wand to wave!

Dave.

From: patheigham 
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2021 6:50 PM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Shingles

Dave, I do sympathise. My father encountered shingles at a late age and it was reported as being extremely painful.

He got over it, and I believe that it?s a hangover from childhood chickenpox. Once you have had that, it never totally goes away and the virus hangs around in your body. I had chickenpox while at boarding prep school and was banished off home! That suited me pretty well! Before the infection, I had built a puppet theatre, together with friends. There was a visit to the school by a professional marionette company, and as I was on the mend, the headmaster sent his car to collect me to see the performance. A nice gesture on his part, given that he was equally adept at wielding the cane!

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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 28 02:19:09 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 08:19:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <163B3A2621424D95BB5D15CA4510AE10@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Hi I got shingles at the beginning of Covid when there was no definitive symptoms list. I was immediately given antivirus medication for three weeks and told to get on top of the pain This I did with paracetamol and ibruprofen- the doctor told me that if I did not, the pain would carry on for months , as the nerves would ?learn? the pain.  It was all over my scalp into my eye They also gave me drops for this as this is a serious area for it to develop. I totally sympathise. It?s awful My daughter never had chickenpox  and I unfortunately gave it to her. Later that summer my granddaughter aged 8 at the time got shingles too It?s not nice Take care and get well soon Sarax

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Dec 28 03:53:52 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 09:53:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
Message-ID: <61cadeb0.1c69fb81.531b1.bfc7@mx.google.com>

To Dave N and Sara
Much sympathy from me. There is some useful info from the NHS in this link:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/shingles/#overview

I thought that the children?s rhyme ?Ring-a Ring-a Roses?
stemmed from the rash accompanying shingles, but it?s more associated with the Great Plague of 1665. That was bubonic/pneumonic, from rat fleas.
While we are beyond the latter, there is now another to ?plague? us ? bloody Covid!
Apparently shingles is not contagious, unlike Covid. Hope you recover quickly.
Pat

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Dec 28 04:03:09 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:03:09 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
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Hi Sara,

Those like yourself who have been through the experience seem mostly to have had a pretty hard time of it, sadly compounded in your case by seeing your daughter go down with chicken pox. As to your poor granddaughter that?s the earliest age I?ve heard of for a shingles attack.

Paracetamol and NSAIDs in my case don?t even touch the pain which really is excruciating. I?ve now had a third night in the semi upright position with barely any sleep and so I need to pursue the pain relief idea asap. NICE recommend amitriptyline so I rang the Minor Injuries Unit at the local commmunity hospital who had diagnosed me and given me a course of anti-virals to see if they could provide. Apparently the drug is outside the unit?s remit so 111 is the only route. I?m sure many have experienced the torture chamber that leads you into. I fully understand that the service is not staffed by health professionals but in my experience as they often can?t interpret answers you provide to their questions you get bogged down in attempts to define and describe the symptoms. This time the person didn?t know what Shingles is; last time, when my wife had been taken ill and I mentioned in response to one question her being a Migraine sufferer, the responder didn?t know what migraine was and I had to spell it for him.

So an hour ago I went through the 111 mill. I?ve just answered a number-withheld call thinking ?that beats the 6 hours it took last time? but was brought back to earth when the caller explained he wasn?t a doctor but just calling to say there?d be some delay before it would be a doctor. 

Even in my reduced state I have every sympathy for over-stretched NHS professionals. I just wonder if some of the money that has been spent on fire-fighting measures like 111 to compensate for GP and hospital shortages might have more directly gone to front line mainstream care.

Thank you for writing Sara,

Dave Newbitt

From: Sara Newman 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 8:19 AM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; patheigham 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles

Hi I got shingles at the beginning of Covid when there was no definitive symptoms list. I was immediately given antivirus medication for three weeks and told to get on top of the pain This I did with paracetamol and ibruprofen- the doctor told me that if I did not, the pain would carry on for months , as the nerves would ?learn? the pain.  It was all over my scalp into my eye They also gave me drops for this as this is a serious area for it to develop. I totally sympathise. It?s awful My daughter never had chickenpox  and I unfortunately gave it to her. Later that summer my granddaughter aged 8 at the time got shingles too It?s not nice Take care and get well soon Sarax


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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 04:07:46 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:07:46 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <61cadeb0.1c69fb81.531b1.bfc7@mx.google.com>
References: <61cadeb0.1c69fb81.531b1.bfc7@mx.google.com>
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The link between rat fleas and bubonic plague is now discredited.

It?s widely accepted to have been poor hygiene and shared straw bedding in which the fleas reproduced

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 28 December 2021 09:54
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles

 

To Dave N and Sara

Much sympathy from me. There is some useful info from the NHS in this link:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/shingles/#overview

 

I thought that the children?s rhyme ?Ring-a Ring-a Roses?

stemmed from the rash accompanying shingles, but it?s more associated with the Great Plague of 1665. That was bubonic/pneumonic, from rat fleas.

While we are beyond the latter, there is now another to ?plague? us ? bloody Covid!

Apparently shingles is not contagious, unlike Covid. Hope you recover quickly.

Pat

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Dec 28 04:14:28 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:14:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
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I guess that?s a much more reasonable explanation.
(I must change my straw!)
Pat

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From: David Denness
Sent: 28 December 2021 10:07
To: 'patheigham'
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Shingles

The link between rat fleas and bubonic plague is now discredited.
It?s widely accepted to have been poor hygiene and shared straw bedding in which the fleas reproduced

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 28 December 2021 09:54
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles

To Dave N and Sara
Much sympathy from me. There is some useful info from the NHS in this link:
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/shingles/#overview

I thought that the children?s rhyme ?Ring-a Ring-a Roses?
stemmed from the rash accompanying shingles, but it?s more associated with the Great Plague of 1665. That was bubonic/pneumonic, from rat fleas.
While we are beyond the latter, there is now another to ?plague? us ? bloody Covid!
Apparently shingles is not contagious, unlike Covid. Hope you recover quickly.
Pat

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Dec 28 04:14:39 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:14:39 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
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References: <61cadeb0.1c69fb81.531b1.bfc7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5FA82FBF90D140309E4CAEDFA3BDEB3A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

As well as your link Pat there is a rather more detailed dissertation pitched at nursing care

https://www.independentnurse.co.uk/clinical-article/pain-relief-in-the-treatment-of-shingles-a-guide-for-nurses/216317/

Thanks,

Dave N.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 9:53 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles

To Dave N and Sara

Much sympathy from me. There is some useful info from the NHS in this link:

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/shingles/#overview

 

I thought that the children?s rhyme ?Ring-a Ring-a Roses?

stemmed from the rash accompanying shingles, but it?s more associated with the Great Plague of 1665. That was bubonic/pneumonic, from rat fleas.

While we are beyond the latter, there is now another to ?plague? us ? bloody Covid!

Apparently shingles is not contagious, unlike Covid. Hope you recover quickly.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Dec 28 04:29:50 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:29:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <5FA82FBF90D140309E4CAEDFA3BDEB3A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Wasn?t there a saying:
?Physician! Heal thyself!?

Pat

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From: David Newbitt
Sent: 28 December 2021 10:14
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles

As well as your link Pat there is a rather more detailed dissertation pitched at nursing care
?
https://www.independentnurse.co.uk/clinical-article/pain-relief-in-the-treatment-of-shingles-a-guide-for-nurses/216317/
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec 28 04:31:20 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 10:31:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <61cadeb0.1c69fb81.531b1.bfc7@mx.google.com>
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The plague interpretation of Ring a Ring of Roses is contentious. The finger might be pointed at Peter and Iona Opie who mentioned it in ?The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren?, which was a scholarly book resulting from their research. Incidentally my ex-wife attended lectures by Peter Opie while she was at uni and she thought he was a marvellous academic.

The game and variants are known around the world, but the plague interpretation is mostly a UK belief and only started gaining traction post WW2, possibly as a result of the Opies and their book. Other nationalities favour different explanations, some even going back to pagan times.

Alan Taylor



> On 28 Dec 2021, at 09:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> To Dave N and Sara
> Much sympathy from me. There is some useful info from the NHS in this link:
> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/shingles/#overview
>  
> I thought that the children?s rhyme ?Ring-a Ring-a Roses?
> stemmed from the rash accompanying shingles, but it?s more associated with the Great Plague of 1665. That was bubonic/pneumonic, from rat fleas.
> While we are beyond the latter, there is now another to ?plague? us ? bloody Covid!
> Apparently shingles is not contagious, unlike Covid. Hope you recover quickly.
> Pat
>  
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 05:23:37 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 11:23:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
In-Reply-To: <3FB718E582674065BB6C2800BEB29A97@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <1B9B1A6BDEF14B038176E7F3039805F5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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You could try Livi. You get a video call with a doctor within a few hours.
You allow them access to your records if you wish. I had a UTI and I knew
what I needed.  The Livi doctor prescribed it and I downloaded the
prescription. She said it would be accepted anywhere and I had no problem
at the chemist.

Shingles used to be associated with lifestyle changes. I left the BBC in
April 2001 and got shingles two months later. I was 54 so no vaccination. A
month or so in nice Noel Smythe at RTE asked if I wanted to do so work for
him and I had to say i needed to wait a while, maybe a few weeks.

B

On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 10:03 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi Sara,
>
> Those like yourself who have been through the experience seem mostly to
> have had a pretty hard time of it, sadly compounded in your case by seeing
> your daughter go down with chicken pox. As to your poor granddaughter
> that?s the earliest age I?ve heard of for a shingles attack.
>
> Paracetamol and NSAIDs in my case don?t even touch the pain which really
> is excruciating. I?ve now had a third night in the semi upright position
> with barely any sleep and so I need to pursue the pain relief idea asap.
> NICE recommend amitriptyline so I rang the Minor Injuries Unit at the local
> commmunity hospital who had diagnosed me and given me a course of
> anti-virals to see if they could provide. Apparently the drug is outside
> the unit?s remit so 111 is the only route. I?m sure many have experienced
> the torture chamber that leads you into. I fully understand that the
> service is not staffed by health professionals but in my experience as they
> often can?t interpret answers you provide to their questions you get bogged
> down in attempts to define and describe the symptoms. This time the person
> didn?t know what Shingles is; last time, when my wife had been taken ill
> and I mentioned in response to one question her being a Migraine sufferer,
> the responder didn?t know what migraine was and I had to spell it for him.
>
> So an hour ago I went through the 111 mill. I?ve just answered a
> number-withheld call thinking ?that beats the 6 hours it took last time?
> but was brought back to earth when the caller explained he wasn?t a doctor
> but just calling to say there?d be some delay before it would be a doctor.
>
> Even in my reduced state I have every sympathy for over-stretched NHS
> professionals. I just wonder if some of the money that has been spent on
> fire-fighting measures like 111 to compensate for GP and hospital shortages
> might have more directly gone to front line mainstream care.
>
> Thank you for writing Sara,
>
> Dave Newbitt
>
> *From:* Sara Newman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2021 8:19 AM
> *To:* David Newbitt
> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; patheigham
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Shingles
>
> Hi I got shingles at the beginning of Covid when there was no definitive
> symptoms list. I was immediately given antivirus medication for three weeks
> and told to get on top of the pain This I did with paracetamol and
> ibruprofen- the doctor told me that if I did not, the pain would carry on
> for months , as the nerves would ?learn? the pain.  It was all over my
> scalp into my eye They also gave me drops for this as this is a serious
> area for it to develop. I totally sympathise. It?s awful My daughter never
> had chickenpox  and I unfortunately gave it to her. Later that summer my
> granddaughter aged 8 at the time got shingles too It?s not nice Take care
> and get well soon Sarax
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 28 07:51:29 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 13:51:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Just another Xmas
Message-ID: <5a02f4fc-b313-c03b-e952-144ddb36ff07@btinternet.com>

A much reduced one here, due to Covid fears. Spent the day with a couple 
of old friends, and one has now been confirmed with Covid. He is 
undergoing treatment for a few cancers - so very vulnerable, and thought 
he'd been very careful.

I've got LF test kits here, and so far negative. But am obviously 
isolating. They seem to have reduced the time you have to isolate if 
tested negative - which is just as well as the first Tesco delivery slot 
I can get is next Sunday.



From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 28 08:03:52 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 14:03:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LG OLED TV
Message-ID: <2bdefbbf-5614-d5e4-be24-91d682b0711e@btinternet.com>

Got one of these a few months back and am generally very pleased with 
it. Blacks just like a decent CRT set. Lots of bells and whistles I'll 
never use, but one I do didn't work - or rather intermittent. Which was 
FreeView play. Most commonly used as catchup, and on other TVs you can 
do this by just going backwards on the EPG. Very nice feature.

On this LG set, it most often didn't work. Didn't allow you to go back 
from current time - or if it did, a blank EPG. A pal with the same 
series of TVs, the same. I got round it by using my Humax PVR for this - 
much easier than going to the BBC etc site online and searching for what 
you want.

Wrote a letter to LG and the reply was the usual nonsense about 
contacting your retailer.

However, it did a software update yesterday. Think the fourth since I've 
had it. And it seems to be fixed. So a nice Xmas present.



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Dec 28 09:18:06 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 15:18:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LG OLED TV
In-Reply-To: <2bdefbbf-5614-d5e4-be24-91d682b0711e@btinternet.com>
References: <2bdefbbf-5614-d5e4-be24-91d682b0711e@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <61cb2aad.1c69fb81.6dab3.75f0@mx.google.com>

I had to search the Internet to discover what OLED meant, as opposed to LED.
For bedroom viewing I have a Samsung 22? on my bedside table (towards the end of the bed) which is just great. As far as the TV is concerned, frankly I cannot tell any difference between broadcast Standard Def and the HD channel. But then the screen size is small. In front of that is a Sony Bluray player which purports to upscale to 4K, fed out via HDMI. I did make an expensive mistake when BT shop were offering a 55? Samsung at a good price. Ordered it, but when it came, was too large for where I wanted to put it, so tried to send it back. DHL, who had made the initial delivery didn?t want I know ? too large for an online pickup booking! So eventually got Parcel Force to do the deed, but it cost me ?60!
I?ll learn!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 28 December 2021 14:04
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] LG OLED TV

Got one of these a few months back and am generally very pleased with 
it. Blacks just like a decent CRT set. Lots of bells and whistles I'll 
never use, but one I do didn't work - or rather intermittent. Which was 
FreeView play. Most commonly used as catchup, and on other TVs you can 
do this by just going backwards on the EPG. Very nice feature.

On this LG set, it most often didn't work. Didn't allow you to go back 
from current time - or if it did, a blank EPG. A pal with the same 
series of TVs, the same. I got round it by using my Humax PVR for this - 
much easier than going to the BBC etc site online and searching for what 
you want.

Wrote a letter to LG and the reply was the usual nonsense about 
contacting your retailer.

However, it did a software update yesterday. Think the fourth since I've 
had it. And it seems to be fixed. So a nice Xmas present.





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Dec 28 09:38:16 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 15:38:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test
Message-ID: <61cb2f68.1c69fb81.29bd4.01a1@mx.google.com>

Some years ago, I remember an Audio Fidelity disc which had tracks identifying L & R for your system.
Is there a similar test disc (CD or DVD probably, now) which will identify the channels for surround sound?
I think I still have a Canford Audio test cassette for checking line-up levels.
Each Gram Op used to have a ?? line up tone tape to check the tape decks, but anything like that for playout of TV programmes seems to have been chucked out of the window. There is no conformity of audio levels between the various channels these days. Is there still 1kc tone at the front these days, and if there is, does anyone take any notice?
Those of you who worked in Pres must be grinding your teeth in frustration, as there isn?t any presentation anymore. No pride.

Pat 

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 28 09:38:26 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 15:38:26 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] LG OLED TV
In-Reply-To: <61cb2aad.1c69fb81.6dab3.75f0@mx.google.com>
References: <2bdefbbf-5614-d5e4-be24-91d682b0711e@btinternet.com>
	<61cb2aad.1c69fb81.6dab3.75f0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <59a1f7f2a7davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <61cb2aad.1c69fb81.6dab3.75f0 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I had to search the Internet to discover what OLED meant, as opposed to
> LED.

Very big difference.

An LCD set is a bit like a film projector. It shines white light through
the LCD 'film'. At one time the backlight was fluorescent - but changed to
LEDs. So really not much difference - although some also controlled the
brightness of groups of LEDs in an attempt to get better blacks.

OLED uses LEDs to produce the actual picture.

Advantages? A perfect black as you simply turn off those LEDs. And a much
wider viewing angle.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Tue Dec 28 11:10:01 2021
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:10:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
Message-ID: <89b28862-29e0-5f89-28a9-0393760775af@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Yes, this has got to be Pres B, evidence:
Vision Operator, (a Network Engineer) out of shot camera left, then the 
lighting console operated by the S Tel E's left hand while his right 
hand juggled the intercom & EMX router in the centre of the photo. Next 
came the Production Assistant, note the stopwatch bolted to the desk and 
PBX 'phone extn 3091. Then we have the Vision Mixer, many Directors did 
their own vision mixing but it got quite crowded if a 'pool' vision 
mixer was allocated. Finally on the extreme right was the Sound 
Supervisor, next to the window into the studio. Note the slung LS5/2 
programme loudspeaker angled to favour the Sound Sup. Behind this shot 
is a crowd of 'hangers-on' no? disrespect intended but they could 
include the Design Assistant, the Make-up Artist, Researchers, and any 
Pop Group managers that wish to influence proceedings. It is through 
this hoard that the Sound Supervisor has to battle to leave the gallery 
to adjust the gain of sound desk channel amplifiers which were in 
another ROOM !


Happy to be corrected if in error,

Hibou.


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 11:24:59 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:24:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test
In-Reply-To: <61cb2f68.1c69fb81.29bd4.01a1@mx.google.com>
References: <61cb2f68.1c69fb81.29bd4.01a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5898cb2a-efea-f0c0-a649-67dc2b0e6402@gmail.com>

It depends on what you actually want to do. Windows has a channel ID 
system.

Control Panel > Sound > Playback > Pick Operational Speakers? > 
Configure > Test

Mine are set to 5.1 and it tests each speaker in turn.

B



On 28/12/2021 15:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Some years ago, I remember an Audio Fidelity disc which had tracks 
> identifying L & R for your system.
>
> Is there a similar test disc (CD or DVD probably, now) which will 
> identify the channels for surround sound?
>
> I think I still have a Canford Audio test cassette for checking 
> line-up levels.
>
> Each Gram Op used to have a ?? line up tone tape to check the tape 
> decks, but anything like that for playout of TV programmes seems to 
> have been chucked out of the window. There is no conformity of audio 
> levels between the various channels these days. Is there still 1kc 
> tone at the front these days, and if there is, does anyone take any 
> notice?
>
> Those of you who worked in Pres must be grinding your teeth in 
> frustration, as there isn?t any _presentation_ anymore. No pride.
>
> Pat
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 28 11:28:51 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 17:28:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gallery TVC
In-Reply-To: <89b28862-29e0-5f89-28a9-0393760775af@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <89b28862-29e0-5f89-28a9-0393760775af@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e9ab5c5d-a90d-1be3-24e6-12a5c2add6e5@gmail.com>




DMT, Brian Wolstenholme, Pauline Langfield, Tim Kennington

https://youtu.be/aaLJBpBxsa0?t=63

B

On 28/12/2021 17:10, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
> Yes, this has got to be Pres B, evidence:
> Vision Operator, (a Network Engineer) out of shot camera left, then 
> the lighting console operated by the S Tel E's left hand while his 
> right hand juggled the intercom & EMX router in the centre of the 
> photo. Next came the Production Assistant, note the stopwatch bolted 
> to the desk and PBX 'phone extn 3091. Then we have the Vision Mixer, 
> many Directors did their own vision mixing but it got quite crowded if 
> a 'pool' vision mixer was allocated. Finally on the extreme right was 
> the Sound Supervisor, next to the window into the studio. Note the 
> slung LS5/2 programme loudspeaker angled to favour the Sound Sup. 
> Behind this shot is a crowd of 'hangers-on' no? disrespect intended 
> but they could include the Design Assistant, the Make-up Artist, 
> Researchers, and any Pop Group managers that wish to influence 
> proceedings. It is through this hoard that the Sound Supervisor has to 
> battle to leave the gallery to adjust the gain of sound desk channel 
> amplifiers which were in another ROOM !
>
>
> Happy to be corrected if in error,
>
> Hibou.
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Dec 28 12:21:17 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:21:17 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test
In-Reply-To: <61cb2f68.1c69fb81.29bd4.01a1@mx.google.com>
References: <61cb2f68.1c69fb81.29bd4.01a1@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <485287D29A244E0EA272D6AC136869F3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Somewhere I still have my 1kc (Mr Hertz wasn?t much in use back then!) 1/4? LU tape. Mine (and others I recall were on a spool with just a single cheek. Why was that?

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:38 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test

Some years ago, I remember an Audio Fidelity disc which had tracks identifying L & R for your system.

Is there a similar test disc (CD or DVD probably, now) which will identify the channels for surround sound?

I think I still have a Canford Audio test cassette for checking line-up levels.

Each Gram Op used to have a ?? line up tone tape to check the tape decks, but anything like that for playout of TV programmes seems to have been chucked out of the window. There is no conformity of audio levels between the various channels these days. Is there still 1kc tone at the front these days, and if there is, does anyone take any notice?

Those of you who worked in Pres must be grinding your teeth in frustration, as there isn?t any presentation anymore. No pride.

 

Pat 

 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Dec 28 12:33:22 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:33:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Single-plate_=C2=BC=22_tapes?=
In-Reply-To: <485287D29A244E0EA272D6AC136869F3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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It may have been a Euro standard. As a gram-op. I had lots of foreign 
tapes to deal with which were always single-cheeked. The first thing to 
do with them was to copy them onto a standard UK spool! The biggest 
worry I had was with opening titles for 'Our World' , the 
round-the-world hook up. It came from the Vienna Phil. and because 
Russia had decided not to take part I had to edit the music for length! 
First, copy it, then you can half relax! Cheers, Dave

On 28/12/2021 18:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Somewhere I still have my 1kc (Mr Hertz wasn?t much in use back then!) 
> 1/4? LU tape. Mine (and others I recall were on a spool with just a 
> single cheek. Why was that?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:38 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test
>
> Some years ago, I remember an Audio Fidelity disc which had tracks 
> identifying L & R for your system.
>
> Is there a similar test disc (CD or DVD probably, now) which will 
> identify the channels for surround sound?
>
> I think I still have a Canford Audio test cassette for checking 
> line-up levels.
>
> Each Gram Op used to have a ?? line up tone tape to check the tape 
> decks, but anything like that for playout of TV programmes seems to 
> have been chucked out of the window. There is no conformity of audio 
> levels between the various channels these days. Is there still 1kc 
> tone at the front these days, and if there is, does anyone take any 
> notice?
>
> Those of you who worked in Pres must be grinding your teeth in 
> frustration, as there isn?t any _presentation_ anymore. No pride.
>
> Pat
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Dec 28 12:41:24 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 18:41:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Single-plate_=C2=BC=22_tapes?=
In-Reply-To: <d2dfdfbf-a937-1cf1-7412-d071cb1152e4@btinternet.com>
References: <d2dfdfbf-a937-1cf1-7412-d071cb1152e4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <D860022B-3D17-4385-9C92-FAB3D1EED5C0@me.com>

When Seaside Special started doing shows from continental Europe the ?? backing tapes for artists occasionally arrived  on just a pressed steel spool with no flanges at all. The tape seemed to stay on the spool by a combination of friction and being tightly wound.

Needless to say, the tape was wound onto a proper reel at the earliest opportunity. 

Alan Taylor


> On 28 Dec 2021, at 18:34, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> It may have been a Euro standard. As a gram-op. I had lots of foreign tapes to deal with which were always single-cheeked. The first thing to do with them was to copy them onto a standard UK spool! The biggest worry I had was with opening titles for 'Our World' , the round-the-world hook up. It came from the Vienna Phil. and because Russia had decided not to take part I had to edit the music for length! First, copy it, then you can half relax! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 28/12/2021 18:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Somewhere I still have my 1kc (Mr Hertz wasn?t much in use back then!) 1/4? LU tape. Mine (and others I recall were on a spool with just a single cheek. Why was that?
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: patheigham via Tech1
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:38 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test
>>  
>> Some years ago, I remember an Audio Fidelity disc which had tracks identifying L & R for your system.
>> Is there a similar test disc (CD or DVD probably, now) which will identify the channels for surround sound?
>> I think I still have a Canford Audio test cassette for checking line-up levels.
>> Each Gram Op used to have a ?? line up tone tape to check the tape decks, but anything like that for playout of TV programmes seems to have been chucked out of the window. There is no conformity of audio levels between the various channels these days. Is there still 1kc tone at the front these days, and if there is, does anyone take any notice?
>> Those of you who worked in Pres must be grinding your teeth in frustration, as there isn?t any presentation anymore. No pride.
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Dec 28 17:49:18 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 23:49:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Single-plate_=C2=BC=22_tapes?=
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When I went freelance, still using Nagras, I used to buy AGFA tape in bulk, on 10 ? inch cores, so adapted a NAB spool to be single sided in order to make up to 5? reels.
I?m reminded of a situation at TVC, still preparing the FX for a programme, when the stagger-through reached the point of timing the telejector end captions to the music, which was requested. I was short of a take-up spool, so ran the end music off onto the floor, releasing its spool for take-up. All was playing well, until I saw a huge knot of tape rising off the floor! I had to hit the stop button, engendering a bleat from the production gallery: ?The music?s stopped, Pat!? Yes, it had!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 28 December 2021 18:34
To: David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Single-plate ?" tapes

It may have been a Euro standard. As a gram-op. I had lots of foreign tapes to deal with which were always single-cheeked. The first thing to do with them was to copy them onto a standard UK spool! The biggest worry I had was with opening titles for 'Our World' , the round-the-world hook up. It came from the Vienna Phil. and because Russia had decided not to take part I had to edit the music for length! First, copy it, then you can half relax! Cheers, Dave



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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Dec 29 02:15:19 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:15:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Single-plate_=C2=BC=22_tapes?=
In-Reply-To: <61cba27d.1c69fb81.b707f.4d3c@mx.google.com>
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I think I?ve mentioned before that back in Bristol we once received a boxed ten and a half inch reel from Germany which proved to have no cheeks at all - just the hub - and the wind had become a bit loose in transit. This was presumably to reduce postage. 

The senior Studio Manager who discovered this revelation paled noticeably as the tape unwound at her feet. Fortunately she remained locked to the spot and I had the task of rescuing the resulting pile of thankfully untrampled tape and all was well. As I recall, we never sent the tape back. 

Mike G

> On 29 Dec 2021, at 00:11, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> When I went freelance, still using Nagras, I used to buy AGFA tape in bulk, on 10 ? inch cores, so adapted a NAB spool to be single sided in order to make up to 5? reels.
> I?m reminded of a situation at TVC, still preparing the FX for a programme, when the stagger-through reached the point of timing the telejector end captions to the music, which was requested. I was short of a take-up spool, so ran the end music off onto the floor, releasing its spool for take-up. All was playing well, until I saw a huge knot of tape rising off the floor! I had to hit the stop button, engendering a bleat from the production gallery: ?The music?s stopped, Pat!? Yes, it had!
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: 28 December 2021 18:34
> To: David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Single-plate ?" tapes
>  
> It may have been a Euro standard. As a gram-op. I had lots of foreign tapes to deal with which were always single-cheeked. The first thing to do with them was to copy them onto a standard UK spool! The biggest worry I had was with opening titles for 'Our World' , the round-the-world hook up. It came from the Vienna Phil. and because Russia had decided not to take part I had to edit the music for length! First, copy it, then you can half relax! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 29 05:59:25 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:59:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Single-plate_=C2=BC=22_tapes?=
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At Bush we used to receive  2400? 1/4? tape from Berlin just on a core in a cardboard envelope
Wo betide an innocent (me) opening the envelope.
It could end up on the floor of the edit suite.
Open roll platters always looked very cool on German machines.
However we preferred American practice when Willis Conover?s VOA Jazz Hour tapes arrived they in were in sturdy cardboard
 Boxes and on NAB 101/2 Spools
Those tapes at 15ips would be very valuable now..
The VOA suite was luxury indeed
Monitor the Washington TX  and if Short wave became garbled switch to the back up tapes
Lovely Listening , cool suite. (Compared to rest of Bush)

> On 29 Dec 2021, at 08:15, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I think I?ve mentioned before that back in Bristol we once received a boxed ten and a half inch reel from Germany which proved to have no cheeks at all - just the hub - and the wind had become a bit loose in transit. This was presumably to reduce postage. 
> 
> The senior Studio Manager who discovered this revelation paled noticeably as the tape unwound at her feet. Fortunately she remained locked to the spot and I had the task of rescuing the resulting pile of thankfully untrampled tape and all was well. As I recall, we never sent the tape back. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 29 Dec 2021, at 00:11, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> When I went freelance, still using Nagras, I used to buy AGFA tape in bulk, on 10 ? inch cores, so adapted a NAB spool to be single sided in order to make up to 5? reels.
>> I?m reminded of a situation at TVC, still preparing the FX for a programme, when the stagger-through reached the point of timing the telejector end captions to the music, which was requested. I was short of a take-up spool, so ran the end music off onto the floor, releasing its spool for take-up. All was playing well, until I saw a huge knot of tape rising off the floor! I had to hit the stop button, engendering a bleat from the production gallery: ?The music?s stopped, Pat!? Yes, it had!
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
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>> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: 28 December 2021 18:34
>> To: David Newbitt <mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Single-plate ?" tapes
>>  
>> It may have been a Euro standard. As a gram-op. I had lots of foreign tapes to deal with which were always single-cheeked. The first thing to do with them was to copy them onto a standard UK spool! The biggest worry I had was with opening titles for 'Our World' , the round-the-world hook up. It came from the Vienna Phil. and because Russia had decided not to take part I had to edit the music for length! First, copy it, then you can half relax! Cheers, Dave
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From rerb2 at cam.ac.uk  Wed Dec 29 06:12:03 2021
From: rerb2 at cam.ac.uk (R.E.R. Bunce)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:12:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Television centre, East Tower footage
Message-ID: <FB9947CB-6ED8-42FF-B68E-5963FD9651CF@cam.ac.uk>

Dear All,

There?s some fantastic footage of BBC television centre shot in 1979, or thereabouts, on the new Doctor Who Season 17 Blu-ray box set. The first disc contains a sequence made for Blue Peter, in which one of the presenters climbs, and then abseils down East Tower. The sequence contains shots of TV Centre from the top of East Tower, as well as sequences shot in East Tower offices. There are also shots of Shepherd?s Bush, and the surrounding area.

It?s well worth a look!

Best wishes,

Robin

Sent from my iPhone

From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 29 06:19:43 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 12:19:43 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Television centre, East Tower footage
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Filmed on 8 & 9 May 1979 and broadcast Thursday 17 May.



-----Original Message----- 
From: R.E.R. Bunce via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 12:12 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Television centre, East Tower footage

Dear All,

There?s some fantastic footage of BBC television centre shot in 1979, or 
thereabouts, on the new Doctor Who Season 17 Blu-ray box set. The first disc 
contains a sequence made for Blue Peter, in which one of the presenters 
climbs, and then abseils down East Tower. The sequence contains shots of TV 
Centre from the top of East Tower, as well as sequences shot in East Tower 
offices. There are also shots of Shepherd?s Bush, and the surrounding area.

It?s well worth a look!

Best wishes,

Robin

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Dec 29 08:17:19 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:17:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
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By coincidence, I was at my GP today, and asked the practice nurse about shingles. The reply from her memory was that second doses were only required to be given with one of the vaccines the NHS uses, or if patients were immuno-compromised - radio or chemotherapy, HIV positive, leukemia etc.

She directed me to the 'NHS Green Book' which gives chapter and verse.  It's the NHS official 'bible' and  offers much information and it's what those in the trade use. There are two vaccines in use, so that may be the source of uncertainty.

 Here's the relevant link. <https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012943/Green_book_of_immunisation_28a_Shingles.pdf> A bit heavy going, but worth looking at.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 28 Dec 2021, at 11:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> You could try Livi. You get a video call with a doctor within a few hours. You allow them access to your records if you wish. I had a UTI and I knew what I needed.  The Livi doctor prescribed it and I downloaded the prescription. She said it would be accepted anywhere and I had no problem at the chemist.
> 
> Shingles used to be associated with lifestyle changes. I left the BBC in April 2001 and got shingles two months later. I was 54 so no vaccination. A month or so in nice Noel Smythe at RTE asked if I wanted to do so work for him and I had to say i needed to wait a while, maybe a few weeks.
> 
> B
> 
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 10:03 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Hi Sara,
>  
> Those like yourself who have been through the experience seem mostly to have had a pretty hard time of it, sadly compounded in your case by seeing your daughter go down with chicken pox. As to your poor granddaughter that?s the earliest age I?ve heard of for a shingles attack.
>  
> Paracetamol and NSAIDs in my case don?t even touch the pain which really is excruciating. I?ve now had a third night in the semi upright position with barely any sleep and so I need to pursue the pain relief idea asap. NICE recommend amitriptyline so I rang the Minor Injuries Unit at the local commmunity hospital who had diagnosed me and given me a course of anti-virals to see if they could provide. Apparently the drug is outside the unit?s remit so 111 is the only route. I?m sure many have experienced the torture chamber that leads you into. I fully understand that the service is not staffed by health professionals but in my experience as they often can?t interpret answers you provide to their questions you get bogged down in attempts to define and describe the symptoms. This time the person didn?t know what Shingles is; last time, when my wife had been taken ill and I mentioned in response to one question her being a Migraine sufferer, the responder didn?t know what migraine was and I had to spell it for him.
>  
> So an hour ago I went through the 111 mill. I?ve just answered a number-withheld call thinking ?that beats the 6 hours it took last time? but was brought back to earth when the caller explained he wasn?t a doctor but just calling to say there?d be some delay before it would be a doctor.
>  
> Even in my reduced state I have every sympathy for over-stretched NHS professionals. I just wonder if some of the money that has been spent on fire-fighting measures like 111 to compensate for GP and hospital shortages might have more directly gone to front line mainstream care.
>  
> Thank you for writing Sara,
>  
> Dave Newbitt
>  
> From: Sara Newman <>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 8:19 AM
> To: David Newbitt <>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> ; patheigham <>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles
>  
> Hi I got shingles at the beginning of Covid when there was no definitive symptoms list. I was immediately given antivirus medication for three weeks and told to get on top of the pain This I did with paracetamol and ibruprofen- the doctor told me that if I did not, the pain would carry on for months , as the nerves would ?learn? the pain.  It was all over my scalp into my eye They also gave me drops for this as this is a serious area for it to develop. I totally sympathise. It?s awful My daughter never had chickenpox  and I unfortunately gave it to her. Later that summer my granddaughter aged 8 at the time got shingles too It?s not nice Take care and get well soon Sarax
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Dec 29 09:58:22 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:58:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
Message-ID: <l6w5n0sd7vdfjcc2kupha08r.1640793088926@email.android.com>

Thank you for that very useful information. I am immunocompromised having just completed six months chemotherapy for lymphoma. I am just about to go for my forth Covid vaccination, so I will enquire about getting a shingles booster. I have had shingles in the past, so know how painful it can be.

Doug

On 29 December 2021, at 14:17, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

By coincidence, I was at my GP today, and asked the practice nurse about shingles. The reply from her memory?was that second doses were only required to be given with one of the vaccines the NHS uses, or if patients were immuno-compromised - radio or chemotherapy, HIV positive, leukemia etc.


She directed me to the 'NHS Green Book' which gives chapter and verse. ?It's the NHS official 'bible' and ?offers much information and it's what those in the trade use. There are two vaccines in use, so that may be the source of uncertainty.


?Here's the?relevant link.?A bit heavy going, but worth looking at.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










On 28 Dec 2021, at 11:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


You could try Livi. You get a video call with a doctor within a few hours. You allow them access to your records if you wish. I had a UTI and I knew what I needed.? The Livi doctor prescribed it and I downloaded the prescription. She said it would be accepted anywhere and I had no problem at the chemist.


Shingles used to be associated with lifestyle changes. I left the BBC in April 2001 and got shingles two months later. I was 54 so no vaccination. A month or so in nice Noel Smythe at RTE asked if I wanted to do so work for him and I had to say i needed to wait a while, maybe a few weeks.


B


On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 10:03 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Sara,

?

Those like yourself who have been through the experience seem mostly to have had a pretty hard time of it, sadly compounded in your case by seeing your daughter go down with chicken pox. As to your poor granddaughter that?s the earliest age I?ve heard of for a shingles attack.

?

Paracetamol and NSAIDs in my case don?t even touch the pain which really is excruciating. I?ve now had a third night in the semi upright position with barely any sleep and so I need to pursue the pain relief idea asap. NICE recommend amitriptyline so I rang the Minor Injuries Unit at the local commmunity hospital who had diagnosed me and given me a course of anti-virals to see if they could provide. Apparently the drug is outside the unit?s remit so 111 is the only route. I?m sure many have experienced the torture chamber that leads you into. I fully understand that the service is not staffed by health professionals but in my experience as they often can?t interpret answers you provide to their questions you get bogged down in attempts to define and describe the symptoms. This time the person didn?t know what Shingles is; last time, when my wife had been taken ill and I mentioned in response to one question her being a Migraine sufferer, the responder didn?t know what migraine was and I had to spell it for him.

?

So an hour ago I went through the 111 mill. I?ve just answered a number-withheld call thinking ?that beats the 6 hours it took last time? but was brought back to earth when the caller explained he wasn?t a doctor but just calling to say there?d be some delay before it would be a doctor. 

?

Even in my reduced state I have every sympathy for over-stretched NHS professionals. I just wonder if some of the money that has been spent on fire-fighting measures like 111 to compensate for GP and hospital shortages might have more directly gone to front line mainstream care.

?

Thank you for writing Sara,

?

Dave Newbitt

?

From: Sara Newman 

Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 8:19 AM

To: David Newbitt 

Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; patheigham 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles

?

Hi I got shingles at the beginning of Covid when there was no definitive symptoms list. I was immediately given antivirus medication for three weeks and told to get on top of the pain This I did with paracetamol and ibruprofen- the doctor told me that if I did not, the pain would carry on for months , as the nerves would ?learn? the pain.? It was all over my scalp into my eye They also gave me drops for this as this is a serious area for it to develop. I totally sympathise. It?s awful My daughter never had chickenpox? and I unfortunately gave it to her. Later that summer my granddaughter aged 8 at the time got shingles too It?s not nice Take care and get well soon Sarax

Sent from my iPhone


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Dec 29 09:58:40 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:58:40 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shingles
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Just so Alasdair but the two doses you refer to are, as you say, in connection with immuno-compromised patients. They are not given the single dose live vaccine Zostavax but the non-live Shingrix where two doses are given two months apart.

My speculation about repeat vaccination was rather to do with the Zostavax (which I?ve only recently discovered offers just 5 years or so protection) because, like many, I had mine at 70 and have succumbed just a little short of 79. There is clearly no way of comparing the severity of my attack with what I might have suffered if unvaccinated. I can only say that if what I am experiencing is of reduced severity then God help the unvaccinated. I had increasingly severe pain for several days before the rash appeared and have now stacked up 4 nights on the trot unable to lie down to sleep. The pain at worst is excruciating, despite NSAID?s plus Paracetamol and additionally, as of last night, once a day Amitriptyline, recommended by NICE for neuropathic pain. I am also on a course of anti-viral Acyclovir.

The trigger for activation of the virus (laid dormant in the spine since chicken pox) will be stress, depression, placing too much sustained demand on the system etc.etc. because they lead to depressed immune defence which is what would otherwise ensure the virus remains dormant.

Thank you for contributing,

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alasdair Lawrance 
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2021 2:17 PM
To: Bernard Newnham 
Cc: Mr Alasdair Lawrance ; David Newbitt ; Tech Ops List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles

By coincidence, I was at my GP today, and asked the practice nurse about shingles. The reply from her memory was that second doses were only required to be given with one of the vaccines the NHS uses, or if patients were immuno-compromised - radio or chemotherapy, HIV positive, leukemia etc. 

She directed me to the 'NHS Green Book' which gives chapter and verse.  It's the NHS official 'bible' and  offers much information and it's what those in the trade use. There are two vaccines in use, so that may be the source of uncertainty.

Here's the relevant link. A bit heavy going, but worth looking at.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.












  On 28 Dec 2021, at 11:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  You could try Livi. You get a video call with a doctor within a few hours. You allow them access to your records if you wish. I had a UTI and I knew what I needed.  The Livi doctor prescribed it and I downloaded the prescription. She said it would be accepted anywhere and I had no problem at the chemist. 

  Shingles used to be associated with lifestyle changes. I left the BBC in April 2001 and got shingles two months later. I was 54 so no vaccination. A month or so in nice Noel Smythe at RTE asked if I wanted to do so work for him and I had to say i needed to wait a while, maybe a few weeks.

  B

  On Tue, 28 Dec 2021, 10:03 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    Hi Sara,

    Those like yourself who have been through the experience seem mostly to have had a pretty hard time of it, sadly compounded in your case by seeing your daughter go down with chicken pox. As to your poor granddaughter that?s the earliest age I?ve heard of for a shingles attack.

    Paracetamol and NSAIDs in my case don?t even touch the pain which really is excruciating. I?ve now had a third night in the semi upright position with barely any sleep and so I need to pursue the pain relief idea asap. NICE recommend amitriptyline so I rang the Minor Injuries Unit at the local commmunity hospital who had diagnosed me and given me a course of anti-virals to see if they could provide. Apparently the drug is outside the unit?s remit so 111 is the only route. I?m sure many have experienced the torture chamber that leads you into. I fully understand that the service is not staffed by health professionals but in my experience as they often can?t interpret answers you provide to their questions you get bogged down in attempts to define and describe the symptoms. This time the person didn?t know what Shingles is; last time, when my wife had been taken ill and I mentioned in response to one question her being a Migraine sufferer, the responder didn?t know what migraine was and I had to spell it for him.

    So an hour ago I went through the 111 mill. I?ve just answered a number-withheld call thinking ?that beats the 6 hours it took last time? but was brought back to earth when the caller explained he wasn?t a doctor but just calling to say there?d be some delay before it would be a doctor. 

    Even in my reduced state I have every sympathy for over-stretched NHS professionals. I just wonder if some of the money that has been spent on fire-fighting measures like 111 to compensate for GP and hospital shortages might have more directly gone to front line mainstream care.

    Thank you for writing Sara,

    Dave Newbitt

    From: Sara Newman 
    Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 8:19 AM
    To: David Newbitt 
    Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; patheigham 
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shingles

    Hi I got shingles at the beginning of Covid when there was no definitive symptoms list. I was immediately given antivirus medication for three weeks and told to get on top of the pain This I did with paracetamol and ibruprofen- the doctor told me that if I did not, the pain would carry on for months , as the nerves would ?learn? the pain.  It was all over my scalp into my eye They also gave me drops for this as this is a serious area for it to develop. I totally sympathise. It?s awful My daughter never had chickenpox  and I unfortunately gave it to her. Later that summer my granddaughter aged 8 at the time got shingles too It?s not nice Take care and get well soon Sarax


    Sent from my iPhone



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Dec 29 16:02:36 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 22:02:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Aims minim
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Another facet of this story is that at one time the BBC bought it's own 
Vox amps and loudspeakers in order to control the groups excessiveness! 
That produced another problem in the the scene boys claimed the they 
were props, the sparks said that they were electrical, and the sound 
boys said that they were sound equipment! In the end we had to de-rig 
them into a secure cage in Studio F.? We also carefully made a note of 
the settings of the knobs on the amps. etc. and when the show started 
the groups changed them to what they wanted! Duh! Happy days! Cheers, Dave

On 29/12/2021 14:40, Michael Felton wrote:
> Thanks to all your helpful replies. This page is also very 
> informative: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/pop-group-sound-levels/
>
> So thanks for the memories!
> Stay safe and best wishes for 2022
> Mike
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>> On 23 Dec 2021, at 21:45, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Whenever I saw one being used on a show it was clear that the groups 
>> used it as a measure of their performance and made sure that the 
>> lights were on as much as possible! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 23/12/2021 19:58, doug prior via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Hi Mike
>>> I was working on that show but had the early so was somewhat 
>>> embarressed watching it at home when it all went wrong.
>>>
>>> There is stuff on the Tech. Ops website about it.
>>>
>>> I seem to remember weeks trying to get the system working along side 
>>> staff and management concerns about exposure to loud music.
>>>
>>> I think it should only have been used for rehearsals and switched to 
>>> bypass for TX so the traffic lights still lit up.
>>>
>>> It was a faff to rig and needed setting up with a sound level meter. 
>>> I dont think it was used for long - late 1989 to early 1990 would be 
>>> my quess.
>>>
>>> Doug Prior
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from OX Mail
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec 30 05:09:27 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 11:09:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.
Message-ID: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com>

Just seen a TV ad for a kit to build Titanic. First issue is ?1.99, but the price per magazine is ?9.99. says it?s completed in 140 issues.
https://buildthetitanic.hachettepartworks.com/how-it-works/

Do the math:
139 @ 9.99 = ?1388.61
Plus the teaser @ ?1.99
= ?1390
Rip off??
Just imagine the clamour from kids who maybe think that each issue stays at ?1.99.
Pat
(How much to build an iceberg?)

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 05:34:07 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 11:34:07 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.
In-Reply-To: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com>
References: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <04EE5477FF7A463C9CF23E5CD6DA9022@0023242e4e14>

The same company have been making these build-a-large-object part works for donkey?s years.  I think this Titanic one was out ten years ago for the 100th Anniversary.

Some issues may have a big chunk ? the hull or a funnel - but for the main part will probably just be two tiny little pieces. 

Not sure how many people actually get to the end of the run (or build them) but the company does release at least one or two new titles of these things every January alongside long-running older ones.

Their collectable vehicles and model figures (Batman, Doctor Who, Star Trek, etc) are more value for money.

They do have regular sales, so prices might be cheaper to wait to pick up there.

At those prices, just go to a model shop and pick up a kit much cheaper there.

David




From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 11:09 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.

Just seen a TV ad for a kit to build Titanic. First issue is ?1.99, but the price per magazine is ?9.99. says it?s completed in 140 issues.

https://buildthetitanic.hachettepartworks.com/how-it-works/

 

Do the math:

139 @ 9.99 = ?1388.61

Plus the teaser @ ?1.99

= ?1390

Rip off??

Just imagine the clamour from kids who maybe think that each issue stays at ?1.99.

Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec 30 06:12:15 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 12:12:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
In-Reply-To: <04EE5477FF7A463C9CF23E5CD6DA9022@0023242e4e14>
References: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com>
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I note that ?That?s TV? Ch91 is showing old Benny Hill programmes. I worked with him on several shoots at Foxhills Golf Club for Thames, from which these progs are.
However, I do remember a sequence of sketches with him in TC4, I think.
I used to find him funny, but looking at the progs, now, he is irritating, gurning at camera, inviting the laugh.
What I disliked about him, when shooting, is the fact that where a close-up of hands doing something was needed, he reckoned that only he could do it. Didn?t trust anyone else. Perfectionist, maybe, but....
Dunno.
Pat

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From: David Brunt
Sent: 30 December 2021 11:34
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.

The same company have been making these build-a-large-object part works for donkey?s years.? I think this Titanic one was out ten years ago for the 100th Anniversary.





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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Dec 30 06:25:24 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 12:25:24 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Single-plate_=C2=BC=22_tapes?=
In-Reply-To: <d2dfdfbf-a937-1cf1-7412-d071cb1152e4@btinternet.com>
References: <61cb2f68.1c69fb81.29bd4.01a1@mx.google.com>
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Knew I had it somewhere ? hunting it out a welcome distraction from my shingles.



I fell to wondering if these 7? L/U tapes were actually produced ?in house? by the Beeb or bought in. Photographed on the window ledge so the window-lock key was the nearest object to limit the unwinding. (Just in case anyone wondered what on earth the key was for!)

Dave Newbitt.

From: dave.mdv 
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 6:33 PM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Single-plate ?" tapes

It may have been a Euro standard. As a gram-op. I had lots of foreign tapes to deal with which were always single-cheeked. The first thing to do with them was to copy them onto a standard UK spool! The biggest worry I had was with opening titles for 'Our World' , the round-the-world hook up. It came from the Vienna Phil. and because Russia had decided not to take part I had to edit the music for length! First, copy it, then you can half relax! Cheers, Dave


On 28/12/2021 18:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  Somewhere I still have my 1kc (Mr Hertz wasn?t much in use back then!) 1/4? LU tape. Mine (and others I recall were on a spool with just a single cheek. Why was that?

  Dave Newbitt.

  From: patheigham via Tech1 
  Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:38 PM
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test

  Some years ago, I remember an Audio Fidelity disc which had tracks identifying L & R for your system.

  Is there a similar test disc (CD or DVD probably, now) which will identify the channels for surround sound?

  I think I still have a Canford Audio test cassette for checking line-up levels.

  Each Gram Op used to have a ?? line up tone tape to check the tape decks, but anything like that for playout of TV programmes seems to have been chucked out of the window. There is no conformity of audio levels between the various channels these days. Is there still 1kc tone at the front these days, and if there is, does anyone take any notice?

  Those of you who worked in Pres must be grinding your teeth in frustration, as there isn?t any presentation anymore. No pride.

   

  Pat 

   
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Thu Dec 30 06:27:00 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 12:27:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The Stone Tape - 1972
References: <fd6bda4d-a9fd-ed63-2bb1-44da03700f50.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <fd6bda4d-a9fd-ed63-2bb1-44da03700f50@sky.com>

Did any member on this group work on this production (a very chilling 
ghost story written by Nigel Kneale)?

Although nearly all studio based (and lit by Bob Wright), the opening 
sequence is of Jane Asher driving a car into a courtyard and manoeuvring 
it to park. Nothing out of the ordinary, but the whole sequence was shot 
single camera and all the edits were made in VT (the VT editor was Geoff 
Higgs, and I confirmed this with him shortly after the production was 
transmitted).

I am aware, that around this time, there was some experimental work 
going on with regard to single camera shoots and what sort of rig would 
be needed, so my question is - was this drama the first where PSC was 
used in anger (so to speak).

Many thanks.

Dave Buckley

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 06:40:43 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 12:40:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.
In-Reply-To: <04EE5477FF7A463C9CF23E5CD6DA9022@0023242e4e14>
References: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com>
	<04EE5477FF7A463C9CF23E5CD6DA9022@0023242e4e14>
Message-ID: <81b02874-943a-badb-8a47-bbde1a1efffe@gmail.com>

Hi all,

This part-work was released some many years ago by Hachette - similar 
pricing model!


This was the cover picture on the first issue:


The first thing you notice is that this cover is completely incorrect in 
its depiction of the Titanic on the sea bed ? and this was after the 
1985 discovery of the Titanic on the sea bed by Dr. Robert Ballard.


Here are just a few of the errors highlighted....


The first issue included a free poster of the completed model:


But just look at it closely!? There is something wrong here!



So, not only was the model so expensive to build - would you have any 
confidence in a publisher who got so many obvious errors wrong in the 
very first issue??


This formed a very useful part of a Presentation that I put together 
about Errors that everyone saw but nobody noticed.? It was always a 
problem in software development that errors got through the system - I 
recall one product that went out on my watch where the software 
developers refused to accept that there was an error on the user 
interface and the CEO overruled the Quality Manager because of the need 
for sales.


Best regards, keep safe and well,


Alec

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 07:11:00 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 13:11:00 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
In-Reply-To: <61cda21f.1c69fb81.8dbeb.55bd@mx.google.com>
References: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com>
	<04EE5477FF7A463C9CF23E5CD6DA9022@0023242e4e14>
	<61cda21f.1c69fb81.8dbeb.55bd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9F4DC89F722A42BFBCE278E0FE890088@0023242e4e14>

The few surviving BBC shows I?ve seen have him giving far more natural performance than all the mugging he did on the ITV shows.  He just went broader and broader, particularly after America started to call him a comic genius.

He was in TC4 as soon as it opened in 1960.  A regular there until his last BBC shows around 1967.



From: patheigham 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:12 PM
To: David Brunt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Benny Hill.

I note that ?That?s TV? Ch91 is showing old Benny Hill programmes. I worked with him on several shoots at Foxhills Golf Club for Thames, from which these progs are.

However, I do remember a sequence of sketches with him in TC4, I think.

I used to find him funny, but looking at the progs, now, he is irritating, gurning at camera, inviting the laugh.

What I disliked about him, when shooting, is the fact that where a close-up of hands doing something was needed, he reckoned that only he could do it. Didn?t trust anyone else. Perfectionist, maybe, but....

Dunno.

Pat

 

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From: David Brunt
Sent: 30 December 2021 11:34
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.

 

The same company have been making these build-a-large-object part works for donkey?s years.  I think this Titanic one was out ten years ago for the 100th Anniversary.




 




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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 30 07:15:44 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 13:15:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
In-Reply-To: <9F4DC89F722A42BFBCE278E0FE890088@0023242e4e14>
References: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com>
	<04EE5477FF7A463C9CF23E5CD6DA9022@0023242e4e14>
	<61cda21f.1c69fb81.8dbeb.55bd@mx.google.com>
	<9F4DC89F722A42BFBCE278E0FE890088@0023242e4e14>
Message-ID: <2483d584-b49e-1868-5188-5ccc452829ec@btinternet.com>

Don't knock it. The profits Benny Hill made in the US market helped pay 
for all the decent other progs Thames TV made. Like children's drama, etc.

On 30/12/2021 13:11, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> The few surviving BBC shows I?ve seen have him giving far more natural 
> performance than all the mugging he did on the ITV shows.? He just 
> went broader and broader, particularly after America started to call 
> him a comic genius.
>
> He was in TC4 as soon as it opened in 1960.? A regular there until his 
> last BBC shows around 1967.
>
> *From:* patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:12 PM
> *To:* David Brunt <mailto:davidvbrunt at gmail.com> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Benny Hill.
>
> I note that ?That?s TV? Ch91 is showing old Benny Hill programmes. I 
> worked with him on several shoots at Foxhills Golf Club for Thames, 
> from which these progs are.
>
> However, I do remember a sequence of sketches with him in TC4, I think.
>
> I used to find him funny, but looking at the progs, now, he is 
> irritating, gurning at camera, inviting the laugh.
>
> What I disliked about him, when shooting, is the fact that where a 
> close-up of hands doing something was needed, he reckoned that only he 
> could do it. Didn?t trust anyone else. Perfectionist, maybe, but....
>
> Dunno.
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *David Brunt <mailto:davidvbrunt at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *30 December 2021 11:34
> *To: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.
>
> The same company have been making these build-a-large-object part 
> works for donkey?s years.? I think this Titanic one was out ten years 
> ago for the 100th Anniversary.
>
>
>
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 07:37:02 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 13:37:02 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
In-Reply-To: <2483d584-b49e-1868-5188-5ccc452829ec@btinternet.com>
References: <61cd9366.1c69fb81.8c2d4.7ddf@mx.google.com><04EE5477FF7A463C9CF23E5CD6DA9022@0023242e4e14><61cda21f.1c69fb81.8dbeb.55bd@mx.google.com><9F4DC89F722A42BFBCE278E0FE890088@0023242e4e14>
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Message-ID: <943661E26FA34A3386728C5F5601AD3E@0023242e4e14>

Oh, I?m not knocking it. Thames did very well from the overseas sales. 

It?s just clear that his popularity went up in after America saw compilations of his 1970s shows.  The 1980s episodes (particularly the second half of the decade) were neigh on unwatchable.

After he realised that American TV didn?t permit a lot of boobs and bums to be shown, he exploited it by increasing them for his later shows.  A compliant new producer allowed a lot of excess and extremely weak scripted material.





From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 1:15 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Benny Hill.

Don't knock it. The profits Benny Hill made in the US market helped pay for all the decent other progs Thames TV made. Like children's drama, etc.


On 30/12/2021 13:11, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:

  The few surviving BBC shows I?ve seen have him giving far more natural performance than all the mugging he did on the ITV shows.  He just went broader and broader, particularly after America started to call him a comic genius.

  He was in TC4 as soon as it opened in 1960.  A regular there until his last BBC shows around 1967.



  From: patheigham 
  Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:12 PM
  To: David Brunt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: Benny Hill.

  I note that ?That?s TV? Ch91 is showing old Benny Hill programmes. I worked with him on several shoots at Foxhills Golf Club for Thames, from which these progs are.

  However, I do remember a sequence of sketches with him in TC4, I think.

  I used to find him funny, but looking at the progs, now, he is irritating, gurning at camera, inviting the laugh.

  What I disliked about him, when shooting, is the fact that where a close-up of hands doing something was needed, he reckoned that only he could do it. Didn?t trust anyone else. Perfectionist, maybe, but....

  Dunno.

  Pat

   

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  From: David Brunt
  Sent: 30 December 2021 11:34
  To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.

   

  The same company have been making these build-a-large-object part works for donkey?s years.  I think this Titanic one was out ten years ago for the 100th Anniversary.




   




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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Dec 30 08:54:30 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:54:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Single-plate_=C2=BC=22_tapes?=
In-Reply-To: <8A7E9F1FD3FE4E9F8F6D94E216358195@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <61cb2f68.1c69fb81.29bd4.01a1@mx.google.com>
	<485287D29A244E0EA272D6AC136869F3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<d2dfdfbf-a937-1cf1-7412-d071cb1152e4@btinternet.com>
	<8A7E9F1FD3FE4E9F8F6D94E216358195@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <6111087e-6440-3633-49ab-a38b007fd00d@chriswoolf.co.uk>

I think the argument behind the single-sided reel was that it prevented 
edge-damage. With a double sided reel the flanges invariably got 
squashed against the tape pack during handling - with a single flange 
you couldn't easily do that.

For line-up tapes avoidance of edge damage was critical since tape weave 
would give a variation in the replay level.

Chris W


On 30/12/2021 12:25, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> I fell to wondering if these 7? L/U tapes were actually produced ?in 
> house? by the Beeb or bought in. Photographed on the window ledge so 
> the window-lock key was the nearest object to limit the unwinding. 
> (Just in case anyone wondered what on earth the key was for!)
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* dave.mdv
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2021 6:33 PM
> *To:* David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Single-plate ?" tapes
>
> It may have been a Euro standard. As a gram-op. I had lots of foreign 
> tapes to deal with which were always single-cheeked. The first thing 
> to do with them was to copy them onto a standard UK spool! The biggest 
> worry I had was with opening titles for 'Our World' , the 
> round-the-world hook up. It came from the Vienna Phil. and because 
> Russia had decided not to take part I had to edit the music for 
> length! First, copy it, then you can half relax! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 28/12/2021 18:21, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> Somewhere I still have my 1kc (Mr Hertz wasn?t much in use back 
>> then!) 1/4? LU tape. Mine (and others I recall were on a spool with 
>> just a single cheek. Why was that?
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> *From:* patheigham via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:38 PM
>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* [Tech1] Audio channel ID and test
>>
>> Some years ago, I remember an Audio Fidelity disc which had tracks 
>> identifying L & R for your system.
>>
>> Is there a similar test disc (CD or DVD probably, now) which will 
>> identify the channels for surround sound?
>>
>> I think I still have a Canford Audio test cassette for checking 
>> line-up levels.
>>
>> Each Gram Op used to have a ?? line up tone tape to check the tape 
>> decks, but anything like that for playout of TV programmes seems to 
>> have been chucked out of the window. There is no conformity of audio 
>> levels between the various channels these days. Is there still 1kc 
>> tone at the front these days, and if there is, does anyone take any 
>> notice?
>>
>> Those of you who worked in Pres must be grinding your teeth in 
>> frustration, as there isn?t any _presentation_ anymore. No pride.
>>
>> Pat
>>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Dec 30 09:57:12 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 15:57:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
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Dennis Kirkland produced it for the last decade. And hardly new to it as 
he was the floor manager before that - and arguably Hill's best friend.

John Howard Davis became Light Ent HOD at Thames and it was said to be 
he who killed it. But then Variety Hall type shows were out of fashion 
on TV by then anyway.

On 30/12/2021 13:37, David Brunt wrote:
> Oh, I?m not knocking it. Thames did very well from the overseas sales.
>
> It?s just clear that his popularity went up in after America saw 
> compilations of his 1970s shows.? The 1980s episodes (particularly the 
> second half of the decade) were neigh on unwatchable.
>
> After he realised that American TV didn?t permit a lot of boobs and 
> bums to be shown, he exploited it by increasing them for his later 
> shows.? A compliant new producer allowed a lot of excess and extremely 
> weak scripted material.
>
>
>
> *From:* Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2021 1:15 PM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
>
> Don't knock it. The profits Benny Hill made in the US market helped 
> pay for all the decent other progs Thames TV made. Like children's 
> drama, etc.
>
> On 30/12/2021 13:11, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
>> The few surviving BBC shows I?ve seen have him giving far more 
>> natural performance than all the mugging he did on the ITV shows.? He 
>> just went broader and broader, particularly after America started to 
>> call him a comic genius.
>>
>> He was in TC4 as soon as it opened in 1960.? A regular there until 
>> his last BBC shows around 1967.
>>
>> *From:* patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:12 PM
>> *To:* David Brunt <mailto:davidvbrunt at gmail.com> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Benny Hill.
>>
>> I note that ?That?s TV? Ch91 is showing old Benny Hill programmes. I 
>> worked with him on several shoots at Foxhills Golf Club for Thames, 
>> from which these progs are.
>>
>> However, I do remember a sequence of sketches with him in TC4, I think.
>>
>> I used to find him funny, but looking at the progs, now, he is 
>> irritating, gurning at camera, inviting the laugh.
>>
>> What I disliked about him, when shooting, is the fact that where a 
>> close-up of hands doing something was needed, he reckoned that only 
>> he could do it. Didn?t trust anyone else. Perfectionist, maybe, but....
>>
>> Dunno.
>>
>> Pat
>>
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>>
>> *From: *David Brunt <mailto:davidvbrunt at gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *30 December 2021 11:34
>> *To: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] How Ad's spoof you.
>>
>> The same company have been making these build-a-large-object part 
>> works for donkey?s years.? I think this Titanic one was out ten years 
>> ago for the 100th Anniversary.
>>
>>
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 10:08:07 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 16:08:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A kit that IS worth building
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Forget ridiculous Titanic models.?? My daughter bought me this for 
Christmas -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inz_93UgmMA

It's an incredibly well designed kit, with parts that just push out and 
need almost no fettling, and at the end.it actually works.? Several grey 
wet afternoons of modelling pleasure. The only very minor criticism I 
have is that the spicing tape as supplied isn't that good. All sound men 
will need to look in their old parts kits.

Available on Amazon - https://tinyurl.com/2p926227 . I want some of the 
others in the range now, but have no place to put them.

B



On 30/12/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Just seen a TV ad for a kit to build Titanic. First issue is ?1.99, 
> but the price per magazine is ?9.99. says it?s completed in 140 issues.
>
> https://buildthetitanic.hachettepartworks.com/how-it-works/
>
> Do the math:
>
> 139 @ 9.99 = ?1388.61
>
> Plus the teaser @ ?1.99
>
> = ?1390
>
> Rip off??
>
> Just imagine the clamour from kids who maybe think that each issue 
> stays at ?1.99.
>
> Pat
>
> (How much to build an iceberg?)
>
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 10:17:05 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 16:17:05 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
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> Dennis Kirkland produced it for the last decade. And hardly new to it as he was the floor manager before that - and arguably Hill's best friend.

Yes. He was too close to the subject and encouraged the excesses.  He wasn?t going to say no.

> John Howard Davis became Light Ent HOD at Thames and it was said to be he who killed it. But then Variety Hall type shows were out of fashion on TV by then anyway.

Sketch comedy too was falling out of favour, plus Hill took up a lot of expensive studio time for the number of shows made.  Same reason Stanley Baxter fell off the schedules.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Dec 30 10:54:37 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 16:54:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A kit that IS worth building
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Nice!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 30 Dec 2021, at 16:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Forget ridiculous Titanic models.   My daughter bought me this for Christmas - 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inz_93UgmMA
> 
> It's an incredibly well designed kit, with parts that just push out and need almost no fettling, and at the end.it actually works.  Several grey wet afternoons of modelling pleasure. The only very minor criticism I have is that the spicing tape as supplied isn't that good. All sound men will need to look in their old parts kits.   
> 
> Available on Amazon - https://tinyurl.com/2p926227 . I want some of the others in the range now, but have no place to put them.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 30/12/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> Just seen a TV ad for a kit to build Titanic. First issue is ?1.99, but the price per magazine is ?9.99. says it?s completed in 140 issues.
>> https://buildthetitanic.hachettepartworks.com/how-it-works/
>>  
>> Do the math:
>> 139 @ 9.99 = ?1388.61
>> Plus the teaser @ ?1.99
>> = ?1390
>> Rip off??
>> Just imagine the clamour from kids who maybe think that each issue stays at ?1.99.
>> Pat
>> (How much to build an iceberg?)
>>  
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Dec 30 15:10:38 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 21:10:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Rat trap
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Some years ago we were having regular problems with rats, usually making our outbuildings their home and chewing everything they fancied, including many of Heather's expensive oil paints, and leaving exceedingly unpleasant coloured droppings in their wake. We were advised that the main attractions around our property were the bird feeders, or at least, the remnants of the seeds, etc. dropped by our feathered friends. So with great sadness, we stopped feeding birds, which greatly reduced the number of unwanted visitors we had, and fortunately our nearest neighbours started bird feeding, and suddenly found the same problems we'd had.

They now have a cat, and we've several bait boxes, and occasionally find a corpse on the premises. However, with increasing aches and pains associated with advancing years, servicing the bait and boxes (since they have to be well away from a curious granddaughter) has become exceptionally tedious and painful.

But a couple of weeks ago one of our other neighbours told us about a New Zealand invention which is a gas-powered trap using a sparklets gas canister to power a bolt that kills the rat attempting to access the bait (chocolate is suggested). It's called the A24 Mouse & Rat Trap, and manufactured by a firm called Goodnature. Having been told about this, I'm keen to find someone who's actually got one and ask about their experience regarding its performance, as it's VERY expensive (?124).

Knowing the breadth of experience here, I'm sure there's someone who knows all the pros and cons as well as its effectiveness, so I look forward to being suitably enlightened,

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec 30 15:33:59 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 21:33:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Benny Hill.
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As I?ve opened this discussion, take a look at:
https://culture.fandom.com/wiki/Benny_Hill
Perhaps the US liked him as it invited them to be amused at something a little rude/suggestive, which was lacking on US TV, I suspect.
Pat

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From: David Brunt via Tech1
Sent: 30 December 2021 16:17
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave Plowman
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Benny Hill.

> Dennis Kirkland produced it for the last decade. And hardly new to it as he was the floor manager before that - and arguably Hill's best friend.

Yes. He was too close to the subject and encouraged the excesses.? He wasn?t going to say no.




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Dec 30 16:08:07 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 22:08:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Pleading Ads
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As much as I would like to adopt:
A Penguin
A Tiger
A Snow Leopard
Or keep some poor child alive, somewhere.
I would surely become bankrupt. But owner of several large cats, which I am not permitted to keep in my flat!

I?d love a tiger, it would deter burglars, but might need a rather large cat tray!
I once said: ? Before I die, I would like to stroke a tiger?
A wit remarked; ? That?s probably the last thing you will do!?

Pat

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 30 17:28:42 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 23:28:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
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We have a recurring problem with rats which get into our compost bins and compost heaps leaving telltale signs of the burrows they make and occasionally I catch sight of one scurrying away. 
Unlike mice, I find them incredibly difficult to trap as they are intelligent and seem to be able to take the bait without being caught. I?ve tried the classic spring type and a live-catch cage trap to no avail. The only thing that seems to work is the Rentokill poison bait but care is needed to place it where birds can?t get it, which in a garden isn?t easy. I usually cover the tray with a spare ridge tile but even then, aren?t sure that birds can?t get to it.
I haven?t heard of these gas operated devices and at that price, I?d want to know they work and are target specific and don?t spear birds or curious moggies, ? 

Geoff

> On 30 Dec 2021, at 21:11, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Some years ago we were having regular problems with rats, usually making our outbuildings their home and chewing everything they fancied, including many of Heather's expensive oil paints, and leaving exceedingly unpleasant coloured droppings in their wake. We were advised that the main attractions around our property were the bird feeders, or at least, the remnants of the seeds, etc. dropped by our feathered friends. So with great sadness, we stopped feeding birds, which greatly reduced the number of unwanted visitors we had, and fortunately our nearest neighbours started bird feeding, and suddenly found the same problems we'd had. 
> 
> They now have a cat, and we've several bait boxes, and occasionally find a corpse on the premises. However, with increasing aches and pains associated with advancing years, servicing the bait and boxes (since they have to be well away from a curious granddaughter) has become exceptionally tedious and painful.
> 
> But a couple of weeks ago one of our other neighbours told us about a New Zealand invention which is a gas-powered trap using a sparklets gas canister to power a bolt that kills the rat attempting to access the bait (chocolate is suggested). It's called the A24 Mouse & Rat Trap, and manufactured by a firm called Goodnature. Having been told about this, I'm keen to find someone who's actually got one and ask about their experience regarding its performance, as it's VERY expensive (?124).
> 
> Knowing the breadth of experience here, I'm sure there's someone who knows all the pros and cons as well as its effectiveness, so I look forward to being suitably enlightened,
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
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From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com  Fri Dec 31 02:45:39 2021
From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 08:45:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
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I have a Goodnature gas powered rat trap: it works.
https://goodnaturetraps.co.uk
In terms of cost per rat, it's pretty pricey: it's killed 2 rats (& 3 
mice) since I bought it in 2018. I built it into a box so that other 
animals can't get to it. The best part is there's no poison, just 
harmless, tasty bait. Since those attached pics were taken I've built a 
nice new box using marine ply. The old one was just bits of old kitchen 
unit & it rotted away.

We were never overrun with rats, they just started coming for the bird & 
hedgehog food. I bought the rat trap when a large rat family moved in 
under next door's shed. Since that shed was replaced by a huge summer 
house with proper foundations, I haven't seen a rat, even though the 
food went out all summer. I also have a camera trap which is how I knew 
we had rats in the first place.

John Nottage

On 30/12/2021 23:28, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> We have a recurring problem with rats which get into our compost bins 
> and compost heaps leaving telltale signs of the burrows they make and 
> occasionally I catch sight of one scurrying away.
> Unlike mice, I find them incredibly difficult to trap as they are 
> intelligent and seem to be able to take the bait without being caught. 
> I?ve tried the classic spring type and a live-catch cage trap to no 
> avail. The only thing that seems to work is the Rentokill poison bait 
> but care is needed to place it where birds can?t get it, which in a 
> garden isn?t easy. I usually cover the tray with a spare ridge tile but 
> even then, aren?t sure that birds can?t get to it.
> I haven?t heard of these gas operated devices and at that price, I?d 
> want to know they work and are target specific and don?t spear birds or 
> curious moggies, ?
> 
> Geoff
> 
>> On 30 Dec 2021, at 21:11, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Some years ago we were having regular problems with rats, usually 
>> making our outbuildings their home and chewing everything they 
>> fancied, including many of Heather's expensive oil paints, and leaving 
>> exceedingly unpleasant coloured droppings in their wake. We were 
>> advised that the main attractions around our property were the bird 
>> feeders, or at least, the remnants of the seeds, etc. dropped by our 
>> feathered friends. So with great sadness, we stopped feeding birds, 
>> which greatly reduced the number of unwanted visitors we had, and 
>> fortunately our nearest neighbours started bird feeding, and suddenly 
>> found the same problems we'd had.
>>
>> They now have a cat, and we've several bait boxes, and occasionally 
>> find a corpse on the premises. However, with increasing aches and 
>> pains associated with advancing years, servicing the bait and boxes 
>> (since they have to be well away from a curious granddaughter) has 
>> become exceptionally tedious and painful.
>>
>> But a couple of weeks ago one of our other neighbours told us about a 
>> New Zealand invention which is a gas-powered trap using a sparklets 
>> gas canister to power a bolt that kills the rat attempting to access 
>> the bait (chocolate is suggested). It's called the A24 Mouse & Rat 
>> Trap, and manufactured by a firm called Goodnature. Having been told 
>> about this, I'm keen to find someone who's actually got one and ask 
>> about their experience regarding its performance, as it's VERY 
>> expensive (?124).
>>
>> Knowing the breadth of experience here, I'm sure there's someone who 
>> knows all the pros and cons as well as its effectiveness, so I look 
>> forward to being suitably enlightened,
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>
>> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
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From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com  Fri Dec 31 02:59:04 2021
From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 08:59:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gas rat trap
Message-ID: <CAP-d_-qzz4Ur6tmLAkUVTK3W3_MwrtFVONp2Sw+KY31+hGtLjw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the trap in its nice new marine ply box with removable lead roof for
easy maintenance.

John Nottage
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Fri Dec 31 06:10:15 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:10:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Rat Catching
Message-ID: <F55CB8CA-3498-407D-BD57-99FE8C74FF28@vincent68.plus.com>

Many years ago my father worked for a large department store in London in their maintenance department. Rats were a real problem. The rat man said putting down Exlax was effective. The rats would shit themselves to death!

I hope he was pulling my leg!

Happy New Year.

John V

From saranewman at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 31 06:57:38 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 12:57:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Gas rat trap
In-Reply-To: <CAP-d_-qzz4Ur6tmLAkUVTK3W3_MwrtFVONp2Sw+KY31+hGtLjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP-d_-qzz4Ur6tmLAkUVTK3W3_MwrtFVONp2Sw+KY31+hGtLjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DB9PR08MB70496D8744A8A2CD231A24CFD0469@DB9PR08MB7049.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Hi that?s impressive When you have decontaminated your garden you could rent it out ? Sarax

Sent from my iPhone

On 31 Dec 2021, at 09:00, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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Here's the trap in its nice new marine ply box with removable lead roof for easy maintenance.

John Nottage
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 31 08:02:46 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 14:02:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] I've been hacked.
Message-ID: <15dbb889-6929-8d23-49c0-d241b4ae5f32@btinternet.com>

On FaceBook - Messenger. My account appears to have sent everyone I've 
ever talked to on Messenger " think you are in this video" with a link. 
And if you follow that link and do everything it says to it gets access 
to something on FB.

I didn't do that. Then remembered I'd sold my old phone on Ebay 
recently. I'd Googled on how to wipe all personal detail and done that. 
But I'd guess it didn't work. Luckily, I didn't use the old phone for 
banking and so on. And sold it without a sim card.




From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Dec 31 10:29:57 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 16:29:57 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: : A STREET PAINTED LIKE THIS.
Message-ID: <EC04B915F3A6430BA3C6D9A8F529FA30@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Anyone seen this 2D/3D illusion before?

Dave Newbitt.


WOWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
  
     Edgar  Mueller Super  Artist?st
   
   Great  Crevase Edgar Mueller. Hard work:  Together with up to five  assistants,
   Mueller  painted all day long from sunrise to  sunset. The picture appeared on  the
   East Pier  in  Dun Laoghaire ,  Ireland  , as part of the town's Festival of World  Cultures
   
   
   He spent  five days, working 12 hours a day, to create the  250 square metre image of the  crevasse,
   which,  viewed from the correct angle, appears to be 3D.  He then persuaded passers-by to  complete
   the  illusion by pretending the gaping hole was  real.'I wanted to play with positives and  negatives to encourage people to think twice  about  everything
   they see,'  he said. 'It was a very scary scene, but  when people saw it they had great fun playing  on
   it and  pretending to fall into the earth. 'I like  to think that later, when they returned home,  they  might
   reflect  more on what a frightening scenario it was and  say, "Wow, that was actually pretty  scary"..'
   

Mueller, who has  previously painted a giant waterfall in   Canada  , said he was inspired by the British  'Pavement
   Picasso'  Julian Beever, whose dramatic but more gentle 3D  street images have featured in the Daily  Mail???
  

   
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Dec 31 10:53:32 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 16:53:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
In-Reply-To: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>
References: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <5D2EF02A-1F9F-49F2-A459-4378A3AF1049@me.com>


> On 31 Dec 2021, at 08:46, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In terms of cost per rat, it's pretty pricey: it's killed 2 rats (& 3 mice) since I bought it in 2018.
> 
> John Nottage

If you paid around ?120 and bagged two rats, you?re still doing better than a woman in our village who paid ?120 for four visits from rodent control and never got to see so much as one dead rat.

The rodent control guy insists that they go off somewhere quiet to die once poisoned and you never see them, but she hasn?t noticed any reduction in the rats congregating under her bird feeder. It?s been suggested that she stops feeding the birds, but she won?t hear of it.

I?m not sure if I?ve told my rat story here.  When doing a series of shows at the Millennium Dome while it was under construction, before being allowed on site, everybody had to attend a safety briefing given by one of the vast army of health and safety people. 

A guy in a HiVis and steel capped boots gave the world?s most boring talk - even worse than the one they do at MUFC. One aspect was that how on average there is one rat for every ten feet on that site and that they run about incontinent, peeing as they go. 

At the end, he had a quiz to check who had been paying attention.  One question ?What can you never get more than ten feet away from on this site??.  One of our riggers answered ?A f####ing jobsworth in Hi Vis, with steel capped boots and a stupid clipboard?.

Alan Taylor



From jnottage.jn at googlemail.com  Fri Dec 31 10:56:58 2021
From: jnottage.jn at googlemail.com (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 16:56:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
In-Reply-To: <6B446CC7-2491-4ED7-BA24-547FDA81369A@sky.com>
References: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>
	<6B446CC7-2491-4ED7-BA24-547FDA81369A@sky.com>
Message-ID: <886c2d78-a311-2af4-f740-902f21fca33c@googlemail.com>

On 31/12/2021 12:09, B Wilkinson wrote:
> So if there was no poison, how did you kill the rats??..I would  suggest several howitzers like what they use to kill dissidents in North Korea?????

Howitzer is quite close. It's basically a gas powered bolt gun: rat 
trips trigger, bolt zaps in the back of the neck & resets, ready for the 
next one. The corpse drop to the bottom of the box to be removed later. 
You can just mount the device on a tree branch or something, then a 
passing fox might take the corpse for you. I preferred to put it in a 
box to make sure a hedgehog didn't get it in the neck! If you want to 
catch squirrels, you'd probably need to put it on a tree, above hedgehog 
height with no box. I guess it might get a bird though...

John
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 31 Dec 2021, at 09:30, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I have a Goodnature gas powered rat trap: it works.
>> https://goodnaturetraps.co.uk
>> In terms of cost per rat, it's pretty pricey: it's killed 2 rats (& 3 mice) since I bought it in 2018. I built it into a box so that other animals can't get to it. The best part is there's no poison, just harmless, tasty bait. Since those attached pics were taken I've built a nice new box using marine ply. The old one was just bits of old kitchen unit & it rotted away.
>>
>> We were never overrun with rats, they just started coming for the bird & hedgehog food. I bought the rat trap when a large rat family moved in under next door's shed. Since that shed was replaced by a huge summer house with proper foundations, I haven't seen a rat, even though the food went out all summer. I also have a camera trap which is how I knew we had rats in the first place.
>>
>> John Nottage
>>
>>> On 30/12/2021 23:28, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>>> We have a recurring problem with rats which get into our compost bins and compost heaps leaving telltale signs of the burrows they make and occasionally I catch sight of one scurrying away.
>>> Unlike mice, I find them incredibly difficult to trap as they are intelligent and seem to be able to take the bait without being caught. I?ve tried the classic spring type and a live-catch cage trap to no avail. The only thing that seems to work is the Rentokill poison bait but care is needed to place it where birds can?t get it, which in a garden isn?t easy. I usually cover the tray with a spare ridge tile but even then, aren?t sure that birds can?t get to it.
>>> I haven?t heard of these gas operated devices and at that price, I?d want to know they work and are target specific and don?t spear birds or curious moggies, ?
>>> Geoff
>>>>> On 30 Dec 2021, at 21:11, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Some years ago we were having regular problems with rats, usually making our outbuildings their home and chewing everything they fancied, including many of Heather's expensive oil paints, and leaving exceedingly unpleasant coloured droppings in their wake. We were advised that the main attractions around our property were the bird feeders, or at least, the remnants of the seeds, etc. dropped by our feathered friends. So with great sadness, we stopped feeding birds, which greatly reduced the number of unwanted visitors we had, and fortunately our nearest neighbours started bird feeding, and suddenly found the same problems we'd had.
>>>>
>>>> They now have a cat, and we've several bait boxes, and occasionally find a corpse on the premises. However, with increasing aches and pains associated with advancing years, servicing the bait and boxes (since they have to be well away from a curious granddaughter) has become exceptionally tedious and painful.
>>>>
>>>> But a couple of weeks ago one of our other neighbours told us about a New Zealand invention which is a gas-powered trap using a sparklets gas canister to power a bolt that kills the rat attempting to access the bait (chocolate is suggested). It's called the A24 Mouse & Rat Trap, and manufactured by a firm called Goodnature. Having been told about this, I'm keen to find someone who's actually got one and ask about their experience regarding its performance, as it's VERY expensive (?124).
>>>>
>>>> Knowing the breadth of experience here, I'm sure there's someone who knows all the pros and cons as well as its effectiveness, so I look forward to being suitably enlightened,
>>>>
>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>
>>>> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>>>>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Dec 31 11:52:43 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 17:52:43 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
In-Reply-To: <5D2EF02A-1F9F-49F2-A459-4378A3AF1049@me.com>
References: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>
	<5D2EF02A-1F9F-49F2-A459-4378A3AF1049@me.com>
Message-ID: <ECCB9F96EEAA41BD95628022AA251B73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Did your rigger get a backhand clout, Alan?

I'm reminded of being over-lippy as a schoolboy and tending to let a 
smart-arse phrase or two find expression at ill-advised moments. One such 
was a Divinity class taken by the school chaplain and I was at the back of 
the class preoccupied with something other than the lesson. "I know what 
you're up to, Master Newbitt - I'm not as stupid as I look". I failed to 
control the urge - "you couldn't be" I piped up. All long before corporal 
punishment was banned!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Friday, December 31, 2021 4:53 PM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps


> On 31 Dec 2021, at 08:46, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> In terms of cost per rat, it's pretty pricey: it's killed 2 rats (& 3 
> mice) since I bought it in 2018.
>
> John Nottage

If you paid around ?120 and bagged two rats, you?re still doing better than 
a woman in our village who paid ?120 for four visits from rodent control and 
never got to see so much as one dead rat.

The rodent control guy insists that they go off somewhere quiet to die once 
poisoned and you never see them, but she hasn?t noticed any reduction in the 
rats congregating under her bird feeder. It?s been suggested that she stops 
feeding the birds, but she won?t hear of it.

I?m not sure if I?ve told my rat story here.  When doing a series of shows 
at the Millennium Dome while it was under construction, before being allowed 
on site, everybody had to attend a safety briefing given by one of the vast 
army of health and safety people.

A guy in a HiVis and steel capped boots gave the world?s most boring talk - 
even worse than the one they do at MUFC. One aspect was that how on average 
there is one rat for every ten feet on that site and that they run about 
incontinent, peeing as they go.

At the end, he had a quiz to check who had been paying attention.  One 
question ?What can you never get more than ten feet away from on this site??. 
One of our riggers answered ?A f####ing jobsworth in Hi Vis, with steel 
capped boots and a stupid clipboard?.

Alan Taylor


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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Dec 31 12:14:35 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 18:14:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
In-Reply-To: <ECCB9F96EEAA41BD95628022AA251B73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <ECCB9F96EEAA41BD95628022AA251B73@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <BAE58394-50C5-4672-820D-20D6C00A64A7@me.com>

On 31 Dec 2021, at 17:53, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Did your rigger get a backhand clout, Alan?
> 
> Dave Newbitt.

I don?t know whether you?ve worked with many OB riggers, but as a breed, there are remarkably few of them who you might give a clout and survive to tell the tale.

Alan Taylor




From techtone at protonmail.com  Fri Dec 31 14:40:40 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 20:40:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
In-Reply-To: <5D2EF02A-1F9F-49F2-A459-4378A3AF1049@me.com>
References: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>
	<5D2EF02A-1F9F-49F2-A459-4378A3AF1049@me.com>
Message-ID: <NNvqnPRjBG-zXjEk2oBTduk3n03EvPdYmNjUY3Ok-a02vFOnvuNT0Pv4gcOCy5RABVKl_jMTNSCMQP3G-yg87O15s1TWgmWB8RwVy7rcoE0=@protonmail.com>

We've had the council rat man several times in the past, and he certainly solved the problem with bait until the next time we got the 'visitors' (some months later, to be fair). And whilst it cost ?50 per session (he visited three times to check that all had been dealt with). I was impressed with how thoroughly he dealt with it, and, better still, the help and advice he passed on with the amount of his expertise. That was how we reluctantly had to give up feeding the birds.

Subsequently we've been using bait and bait boxes as mentioned in my original post, but again, I'd like something less labour intensive to maintain, and it appears that this Goodnature trap might well provide the answer. And I agree with the comments about the intelligence of rats, again, following the advice from 'rat man' you have to be careful where you site the bait, and 'disguise' it or render it non-threatening for their first forays until you 'set' it to full-on extermination.

May you all have a varmint and variant free New Year,

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.




From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 31 15:05:44 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:05:44 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
In-Reply-To: <NNvqnPRjBG-zXjEk2oBTduk3n03EvPdYmNjUY3Ok-a02vFOnvuNT0Pv4gcOCy5RABVKl_jMTNSCMQP3G-yg87O15s1TWgmWB8RwVy7rcoE0=@protonmail.com>
References: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>	<5D2EF02A-1F9F-49F2-A459-4378A3AF1049@me.com>
	<NNvqnPRjBG-zXjEk2oBTduk3n03EvPdYmNjUY3Ok-a02vFOnvuNT0Pv4gcOCy5RABVKl_jMTNSCMQP3G-yg87O15s1TWgmWB8RwVy7rcoE0=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <005e01d7fe8a$2d407560$87c16020$@gmail.com>

These automated traps sound fascinating, especially as some say they deal with squirrels too. I haven't yet had an explanation as to how they dispose of the corpses ready for the next customer or how you clean up the inevitable mess inside them as you have to be careful to avoid getting Leptospirosis (Weil's disease),

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of techtone via Tech1
Sent: 31 December 2021 20:41
Cc: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps

We've had the council rat man several times in the past, and he certainly solved the problem with bait until the next time we got the 'visitors' (some months later, to be fair). And whilst it cost ?50 per session (he visited three times to check that all had been dealt with). I was impressed with how thoroughly he dealt with it, and, better still, the help and advice he passed on with the amount of his expertise. That was how we reluctantly had to give up feeding the birds.

Subsequently we've been using bait and bait boxes as mentioned in my original post, but again, I'd like something less labour intensive to maintain, and it appears that this Goodnature trap might well provide the answer. And I agree with the comments about the intelligence of rats, again, following the advice from 'rat man' you have to be careful where you site the bait, and 'disguise' it or render it non-threatening for their first forays until you 'set' it to full-on extermination.

May you all have a varmint and variant free New Year,

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 31 15:19:11 2021
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:19:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] HNY!
In-Reply-To: <005e01d7fe8a$2d407560$87c16020$@gmail.com>
References: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>
	<5D2EF02A-1F9F-49F2-A459-4378A3AF1049@me.com>
	<NNvqnPRjBG-zXjEk2oBTduk3n03EvPdYmNjUY3Ok-a02vFOnvuNT0Pv4gcOCy5RABVKl_jMTNSCMQP3G-yg87O15s1TWgmWB8RwVy7rcoE0=@protonmail.com>
	<005e01d7fe8a$2d407560$87c16020$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <213178416.741806.1640985551366@mail.yahoo.com>

.....here in Kenya we're three hours ahead of the UK, so I'd like to wish you all a happy and safe new year!
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Dec 31 15:43:35 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 21:43:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] HNY!
In-Reply-To: <213178416.741806.1640985551366@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <b79c0330-91f7-534b-78a5-65363da6771b@googlemail.com>
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	<NNvqnPRjBG-zXjEk2oBTduk3n03EvPdYmNjUY3Ok-a02vFOnvuNT0Pv4gcOCy5RABVKl_jMTNSCMQP3G-yg87O15s1TWgmWB8RwVy7rcoE0=@protonmail.com>
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	<213178416.741806.1640985551366@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E96A1127-7659-4360-A91C-79EA08D3DA45@icloud.com>

Asante sana Bwana.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 31 Dec 2021, at 21:19, Gary Critcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> .....here in Kenya we're three hours ahead of the UK, so I'd like to wish you all a happy and safe new year!
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Fri Dec 31 16:18:49 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 22:18:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps
Message-ID: <2kpi98jbyomwd3e63evmisv0.1640988932701@email.android.com>

This shows how it works

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zKp9vJ90wqQ

Doug

On 31 December 2021, at 21:05, "geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

These automated traps sound fascinating, especially as some say they deal with squirrels too. I haven't yet had an explanation as to how they dispose of the corpses ready for the next customer or how you clean up the inevitable mess inside them as you have to be careful to avoid getting Leptospirosis (Weil's disease),

Geoff

-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of techtone via Tech1
Sent: 31 December 2021 20:41
Cc: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hi-tech Rat traps

We've had the council rat man several times in the past, and he certainly solved the problem with bait until the next time we got the 'visitors' (some months later, to be fair). And whilst it cost ?50 per session (he visited three times to check that all had been dealt with). I was impressed with how thoroughly he dealt with it, and, better still, the help and advice he passed on with the amount of his expertise. That was how we reluctantly had to give up feeding the birds.

Subsequently we've been using bait and bait boxes as mentioned in my original post, but again, I'd like something less labour intensive to maintain, and it appears that this Goodnature trap might well provide the answer. And I agree with the comments about the intelligence of rats, again, following the advice from 'rat man' you have to be careful where you site the bait, and 'disguise' it or render it non-threatening for their first forays until you 'set' it to full-on extermination.

May you all have a varmint and variant free New Year,

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Fri Dec 31 16:30:23 2021
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2021 22:30:23 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Fw: : A STREET PAINTED LIKE THIS.
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Hi Vernon,



I rather think your New Year greetings only got to me and not the rest 
of  the regiment! Not too late though!



And a very happy New Year to you,



Dave Newbitt.


Oops - so it did!  Let's try again  .....



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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: : A STREET PAINTED LIKE  THIS.





Brilliant! And very  clever.


In all the self-congratulation by the SCD empire, it's a pity that they 
ignored the similar effects created by the projections onto the 
dance-floor  which included moving 3D images like this.

Best wishes and Happy New Year everyone ..... Vern
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From: "David Newbitt via Tech1"    <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>




Anyone seen this 2D/3D illusion before?


Dave Newbitt.














WOWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Edgar Mueller Super    Artist?st
Great Crevase Edgar    Mueller. Hard work: Together with up to five 
assistants,
Mueller painted all    day long from sunrise to sunset. The picture 
appeared on the
East Pier in Dun    Laoghaire , Ireland , as part of the town's Festival 
of World    Cultures

He spent five days,    working 12 hours a day, to create the 250 square 
metre image of the    crevasse,
which, viewed from    the correct angle, appears to be 3D. He then 
persuaded passers-by to    complete
the illusion by    pretending the gaping hole was real.'I wanted to play 
with positives and    negatives to encourage people to think twice about 
everything
they see,' he said.    'It was a very scary scene, but when people saw 
it they had great fun playing    on
it and pretending    to fall into the earth. 'I like to think that 
later, when they returned home,    they might
reflect more on    what a frightening scenario it was and say, "Wow, 
that was actually pretty    scary"..'

Mueller, who has previously painted a giant waterfall in    Canada , 
said he was inspired by the British 'Pavement
Picasso' Julian    Beever, whose dramatic but more gentle 3D street 
images have featured in the    Daily Mail???


















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