From simoncmorris at mac.com  Sun Aug  1 03:51:50 2021
From: simoncmorris at mac.com (Simon Morris)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 09:51:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <ABB795791F1D4D948C52D2A2BD83B96D@dell9100>
References: <BFF96571-38FC-4326-B9D2-12B950F85143@btinternet.com>
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I?m with Chris ? 13A mains cable works just fine thanks.

> On 31 Jul 2021, at 11:15, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Can any one name me a tv/recording studio using these bull shit cables
> 
> bet the cable inside your loud speaker isnt
> 
> Chris Glass
> 
> sticking with my 1960s main 7029 house ring main for bass and the bell wirre from woolworths for the tweeter
> Grin 
> 
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 04:06:49 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 10:06:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <661ACB8E-5BFE-428E-B1BB-B5808ACC7318@mac.com>
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I completely agree with Simon, Nick Ware, Colin Hassell and many others. Don?t waste your money!

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Simon Morris via Tech1
Sent: 01 August 2021 09:52
To: Chris on gmail <jccglass at gmail.com>; dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables

 

I?m with Chris ? 13A mains cable works just fine thanks.





On 31 Jul 2021, at 11:15, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

 

Can any one name me a tv/recording studio using these bull shit cables

bet the cable inside your loud speaker isnt

Chris Glass

sticking with my 1960s main 7029 house ring main for bass and the bell wirre from woolworths for the tweeter
Grin 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug  1 05:51:41 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 11:51:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <661ACB8E-5BFE-428E-B1BB-B5808ACC7318@mac.com>
References: <661ACB8E-5BFE-428E-B1BB-B5808ACC7318@mac.com>
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I?ve never understood why the final metre of mains cable is believed to make such a difference.  The mains will have already come many miles from the generator along ordinary cables and will have passed through all manner of fuses, circuit breakers and switchgear.  I can guarantee that none of it will have golden connectors or high performance cables which have been optimised for sonic quality.  So long as the connection to a real earth is good, which has little to do with the mains lead itself, I can?t see a mains lead making much difference to the sonic quality.

I once visited somebody?s house where he boasted of paying more for the mains lead for his CD player than I paid for my entire HiFi. I struggle to imagine what improvement such a mains lead might be claimed to make to the sound of a digital system. I also struggled to say nothing about it as the guy was a client of mine.

Alan Taylor



> On 1 Aug 2021, at 09:52, Simon Morris via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m with Chris ? 13A mains cable works just fine thanks.
> 
>> On 31 Jul 2021, at 11:15, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Can any one name me a tv/recording studio using these bull shit cables
>> 
>> bet the cable inside your loud speaker isnt
>> 
>> Chris Glass
>> 
>> sticking with my 1960s main 7029 house ring main for bass and the bell wirre from woolworths for the tweeter
>> Grin 
>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  1 06:51:43 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 12:51:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <9E16EE0F-BF23-4E21-9C33-DEAC5F869383@me.com>
References: <661ACB8E-5BFE-428E-B1BB-B5808ACC7318@mac.com>
	<9E16EE0F-BF23-4E21-9C33-DEAC5F869383@me.com>
Message-ID: <595527a258davesound@btinternet.com>

The same applies to the connecting cables. How many miles of wire has the
signal from the microphones gone through before it eventually gets played
on your home system? And despite working in many a fine studio, never knew
any who spent 100 quid on a metre of cable. Of course make sure your
connectors are clean and fit well. Most of us know the results of a dirty
jackfield.   


In article <9E16EE0F-BF23-4E21-9C33-DEAC5F869383 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I?ve never understood why the final metre of mains cable is believed to
> make such a difference.  The mains will have already come many miles
> from the generator along ordinary cables and will have passed through
> all manner of fuses, circuit breakers and switchgear.  I can guarantee
> that none of it will have golden connectors or high performance cables
> which have been optimised for sonic quality.  So long as the connection
> to a real earth is good, which has little to do with the mains lead
> itself, I can?t see a mains lead making much difference to the sonic
> quality.

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Aug  1 07:26:56 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 13:26:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <595527a258davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <661ACB8E-5BFE-428E-B1BB-B5808ACC7318@mac.com>
	<9E16EE0F-BF23-4E21-9C33-DEAC5F869383@me.com>
	<595527a258davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <376165d5-a0ed-3080-5298-cc23fb716e5c@chriswoolf.co.uk>

I did an article on cables many years ago for a certain audio magazine, 
which was titled "A piece of wet string".

It went into the theory behind cabling, and how the engineering 
generally made sure that the piece of wire had a negligible effect on 
performance. Speaker cables was the only area where it was possible to 
come close to problems. With moderate resistance cable the damping 
factor for passive speakers could be compromised. Fat, short cabling or 
active speakers solves that easily and inexpensively.

For fun, at the end of the article I gave the results for testing, quite 
literally, a piece of wet string. Reproduced below:

/A metre of wet string ?pair? soaked in a mildly salty brine and 
configured as a balanced line is ?. a bit lossy.////From a typical 
75//ohm//source and measured with a 10k//ohm//load the signal was about 
?30dB but otherwise it was fine. Good quality and flat to beyond 30kHz. 
Tricky to keep the conductors apart and might be a bit unreliable on a 
hot day, so I doubt it?ll catch on./

There is absolutely no argument for "unicorn mane" magic material 
cables. Conventional twisted pair, perhaps starquad, and fat copper 
speaker cables are just fine. Mains cabling has absolutely no effect on 
audio gear. If you start finding that any of these statements aren't 
true then you need to look at the engineering of the /equipment/, not 
the cables.

Chris Woolf



/
/

On 01/08/2021 12:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> The same applies to the connecting cables. How many miles of wire has the
> signal from the microphones gone through before it eventually gets played
> on your home system? And despite working in many a fine studio, never knew
> any who spent 100 quid on a metre of cable. Of course make sure your
> connectors are clean and fit well. Most of us know the results of a dirty
> jackfield.
>
>
> In article <9E16EE0F-BF23-4E21-9C33-DEAC5F869383 at me.com>,
>     Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I?ve never understood why the final metre of mains cable is believed to
>> make such a difference.  The mains will have already come many miles
>> from the generator along ordinary cables and will have passed through
>> all manner of fuses, circuit breakers and switchgear.  I can guarantee
>> that none of it will have golden connectors or high performance cables
>> which have been optimised for sonic quality.  So long as the connection
>> to a real earth is good, which has little to do with the mains lead
>> itself, I can?t see a mains lead making much difference to the sonic
>> quality.


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug  1 07:37:57 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 13:37:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <376165d5-a0ed-3080-5298-cc23fb716e5c@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <376165d5-a0ed-3080-5298-cc23fb716e5c@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6FBA2531-E2FD-4B33-BBAC-22CFAA4131DE@me.com>

Wet string is obviously going to be unremarkable, but did you try stranded cashmere soaked in brine made from Himalayan salt dissolved in Peruvian Glacial melt water?

Alan Taylor


> On 1 Aug 2021, at 13:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I did an article on cables many years ago for a certain audio magazine, which was titled "A piece of wet string".
> 
> It went into the theory behind cabling, and how the engineering generally made sure that the piece of wire had a negligible effect on performance. Speaker cables was the only area where it was possible to come close to problems. With moderate resistance cable the damping factor for passive speakers could be compromised. Fat, short cabling or active speakers solves that easily and inexpensively.
> 
> For fun, at the end of the article I gave the results for testing, quite literally, a piece of wet string. Reproduced below:
> 
> A metre of wet string ?pair? soaked in a mildly salty brine and configured as a balanced line is ?. a bit lossy.  From a typical 75ohm source and measured with a 10kohm load the signal was about ?30dB but otherwise it was fine. Good quality and flat to beyond 30kHz. Tricky to keep the conductors apart and might be a bit unreliable on a hot day, so I doubt it?ll catch on.
> 
> There is absolutely no argument for "unicorn mane" magic material cables. Conventional twisted pair, perhaps starquad, and fat copper speaker cables are just fine. Mains cabling has absolutely no effect on audio gear. If you start finding that any of these statements aren't true then you need to look at the engineering of the equipment, not the cables.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/08/2021 12:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> The same applies to the connecting cables. How many miles of wire has the
>> signal from the microphones gone through before it eventually gets played
>> on your home system? And despite working in many a fine studio, never knew
>> any who spent 100 quid on a metre of cable. Of course make sure your
>> connectors are clean and fit well. Most of us know the results of a dirty
>> jackfield.   
>> 
>> 
>> In article <9E16EE0F-BF23-4E21-9C33-DEAC5F869383 at me.com>,
>>    Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I?ve never understood why the final metre of mains cable is believed to
>>> make such a difference.  The mains will have already come many miles
>>> from the generator along ordinary cables and will have passed through
>>> all manner of fuses, circuit breakers and switchgear.  I can guarantee
>>> that none of it will have golden connectors or high performance cables
>>> which have been optimised for sonic quality.  So long as the connection
>>> to a real earth is good, which has little to do with the mains lead
>>> itself, I can?t see a mains lead making much difference to the sonic
>>> quality.
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Aug  1 08:03:56 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 14:03:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <6FBA2531-E2FD-4B33-BBAC-22CFAA4131DE@me.com>
References: <376165d5-a0ed-3080-5298-cc23fb716e5c@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Patagonian meltwater is better :-)
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 Aug 2021, at 13:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Wet string is obviously going to be unremarkable, but did you try stranded cashmere soaked in brine made from Himalayan salt dissolved in Peruvian Glacial melt water?
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>> On 1 Aug 2021, at 13:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I did an article on cables many years ago for a certain audio magazine, which was titled "A piece of wet string".
>> 
>> It went into the theory behind cabling, and how the engineering generally made sure that the piece of wire had a negligible effect on performance. Speaker cables was the only area where it was possible to come close to problems. With moderate resistance cable the damping factor for passive speakers could be compromised. Fat, short cabling or active speakers solves that easily and inexpensively.
>> 
>> For fun, at the end of the article I gave the results for testing, quite literally, a piece of wet string. Reproduced below:
>> 
>> 
>> A metre of wet string ?pair? soaked in a mildly salty brine and configured as a balanced line is ?. a bit lossy.  From a typical 75ohm source and measured with a 10kohm load the signal was about ?30dB but otherwise it was fine. Good quality and flat to beyond 30kHz. Tricky to keep the conductors apart and might be a bit unreliable on a hot day, so I doubt it?ll catch on.
>> 
>> There is absolutely no argument for "unicorn mane" magic material cables. Conventional twisted pair, perhaps starquad, and fat copper speaker cables are just fine. Mains cabling has absolutely no effect on audio gear. If you start finding that any of these statements aren't true then you need to look at the engineering of the equipment, not the cables.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/08/2021 12:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> The same applies to the connecting cables. How many miles of wire has the
>>> signal from the microphones gone through before it eventually gets played
>>> on your home system? And despite working in many a fine studio, never knew
>>> any who spent 100 quid on a metre of cable. Of course make sure your
>>> connectors are clean and fit well. Most of us know the results of a dirty
>>> jackfield.   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In article 
>>> <9E16EE0F-BF23-4E21-9C33-DEAC5F869383 at me.com>
>>> ,
>>>    Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I?ve never understood why the final metre of mains cable is believed to
>>>> make such a difference.  The mains will have already come many miles
>>>> from the generator along ordinary cables and will have passed through
>>>> all manner of fuses, circuit breakers and switchgear.  I can guarantee
>>>> that none of it will have golden connectors or high performance cables
>>>> which have been optimised for sonic quality.  So long as the connection
>>>> to a real earth is good, which has little to do with the mains lead
>>>> itself, I can?t see a mains lead making much difference to the sonic
>>>> quality.
>>>> 
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Aug  1 08:39:34 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 14:39:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <7F81BC95-46E8-412C-B2D7-70CB57996512@icloud.com>
References: <376165d5-a0ed-3080-5298-cc23fb716e5c@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<6FBA2531-E2FD-4B33-BBAC-22CFAA4131DE@me.com>
	<7F81BC95-46E8-412C-B2D7-70CB57996512@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <6d9e8150-d84a-282a-9bbf-f2159d80529d@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Darlings! Of ~course~ I did! But my test equipment is only rated for 
pashmina wool and silk so my results might be compromised;}

Chris W


> Patagonian meltwater is better :-)
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 1 Aug 2021, at 13:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Wet string is obviously going to be unremarkable, but did you try stranded cashmere soaked in brine made from Himalayan salt dissolved in Peruvian Glacial melt water?
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 09:08:58 2021
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 15:08:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
References: <376165d5-a0ed-3080-5298-cc23fb716e5c@chriswoolf.co.uk><6FBA2531-E2FD-4B33-BBAC-22CFAA4131DE@me.com><7F81BC95-46E8-412C-B2D7-70CB57996512@icloud.com>
	<6d9e8150-d84a-282a-9bbf-f2159d80529d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <362A50C1D5DC4EBEB39A505467336F1D@dell9100>

For DIY Cables im told the Alaskan INUET  recomend

"The Reiso Nebor Neve Rymi  Nute"

Chris


From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Sun Aug  1 09:26:45 2021
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 15:26:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
Message-ID: <001901d786e1$41cbfc50$c563f4f0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Would it be possible to post your ?A piece of wet string? article here Chris W? I for one would be interested in reading it.

 

Rob

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via Tech1
Sent: 01 August 2021 13:27
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables

 

I did an article on cables many years ago for a certain audio magazine, which was titled "A piece of wet string".

It went into the theory behind cabling, and how the engineering generally made sure that the piece of wire had a negligible effect on performance. Speaker cables was the only area where it was possible to come close to problems. With moderate resistance cable the damping factor for passive speakers could be compromised. Fat, short cabling or active speakers solves that easily and inexpensively.

For fun, at the end of the article I gave the results for testing, quite literally, a piece of wet string. Reproduced below:

A metre of wet string ?pair? soaked in a mildly salty brine and configured as a balanced line is ?. a bit lossy.  From a typical 75ohm source and measured with a 10kohm load the signal was about ?30dB but otherwise it was fine. Good quality and flat to beyond 30kHz. Tricky to keep the conductors apart and might be a bit unreliable on a hot day, so I doubt it?ll catch on.

There is absolutely no argument for "unicorn mane" magic material cables. Conventional twisted pair, perhaps starquad, and fat copper speaker cables are just fine. Mains cabling has absolutely no effect on audio gear. If you start finding that any of these statements aren't true then you need to look at the engineering of the equipment, not the cables.

Chris Woolf

 

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun Aug  1 11:36:54 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 17:36:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <001901d786e1$41cbfc50$c563f4f0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <001901d786e1$41cbfc50$c563f4f0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e662aaa6-b84b-6357-c694-8632d96a1a86@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Probably easier if I do it on an individual basis - might be a bit 
boring for some;}

Chris W

On 01/08/2021 15:26, Robert Miles wrote:
>
> Would it be possible to post your ?A piece of wet string? article here 
> Chris W? I for one would be interested in reading it.
>
> Rob
>
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Chris Woolf 
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* 01 August 2021 13:27
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
>
> I did an article on cables many years ago for a certain audio 
> magazine, which was titled "A piece of wet string".
>
> It went into the theory behind cabling, and how the engineering 
> generally made sure that the piece of wire had a negligible effect on 
> performance. Speaker cables was the only area where it was possible to 
> come close to problems. With moderate resistance cable the damping 
> factor for passive speakers could be compromised. Fat, short cabling 
> or active speakers solves that easily and inexpensively.
>
> For fun, at the end of the article I gave the results for testing, 
> quite literally, a piece of wet string. Reproduced below:
>
> /A metre of wet string ?pair? soaked in a mildly salty brine and 
> configured as a balanced line is ?. a bit lossy.? From a typical 
> 75//ohm source and measured with a 10k//ohm load the signal was about 
> ?30dB but otherwise it was fine. Good quality and flat to beyond 
> 30kHz. Tricky to keep the conductors apart and might be a bit 
> unreliable on a hot day, so I doubt it?ll catch on./
>
> There is absolutely no argument for "unicorn mane" magic material 
> cables. Conventional twisted pair, perhaps starquad, and fat copper 
> speaker cables are just fine. Mains cabling has absolutely no effect 
> on audio gear. If you start finding that any of these statements 
> aren't true then you need to look at the engineering of the 
> /equipment/, not the cables.
>
> Chris Woolf
>


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug  1 13:33:20 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 19:33:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <362A50C1D5DC4EBEB39A505467336F1D@dell9100>
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Sometimes these concepts for higher fidelity components come across like those restaurants who offer things like the world?s most expensive beefburger. I suspect that the idea is to start off by choosing an eye watering price and then begin working out which expensive ingredients can be incorporated. The patty is made from 48 day aged Wagyu beef from Yonezawa  mixed with caviar and truffles, topped with 24 month gruyere cheese, a ketchup made from shaved truffles and champagne, while the whole thing is served in a bun topped with edible gold leaf. When such things appear on a menu, I reckon that a fair proportion of the sales are to journalists and TV reporters running stories about the world?s most expensive burger.

Alan Taylor


> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:09, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?For DIY Cables im told the Alaskan INUET  recomend
> 
> "The Reiso Nebor Neve Rymi  Nute"
> 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  1 15:24:43 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2021 21:24:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hi fi Cables
In-Reply-To: <27901552-04C5-4CA9-B80A-973EA477A41E@me.com>
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Aldi do a lovely Wagu Beef burger 
?3.20 for 2 !

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Aug 2021, at 19:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Sometimes these concepts for higher fidelity components come across like those restaurants who offer things like the world?s most expensive beefburger. I suspect that the idea is to start off by choosing an eye watering price and then begin working out which expensive ingredients can be incorporated. The patty is made from 48 day aged Wagyu beef from Yonezawa  mixed with caviar and truffles, topped with 24 month gruyere cheese, a ketchup made from shaved truffles and champagne, while the whole thing is served in a bun topped with edible gold leaf. When such things appear on a menu, I reckon that a fair proportion of the sales are to journalists and TV reporters running stories about the world?s most expensive burger.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>> On 1 Aug 2021, at 15:09, Chris on gmail via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?For DIY Cables im told the Alaskan INUET  recomend
>> 
>> "The Reiso Nebor Neve Rymi  Nute"
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Tue Aug  3 08:18:37 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:18:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Adam Henson Farm Rescue
Message-ID: <3EF04200-9117-4F95-9E56-2316A336D53C@btinternet.com>

?Does anyone else watch this recent Channel 5 offering  ?

I?ve just watched it (reluctantly) in amazement wondering how they can present a farm losing over ?20K per year by setting up a small facility smoking lamb chops to make a mere ?25K ? (not sure how much of this may be actual profit)
They sent samples of their produce all the way from Scotland down to Bath for a customer only packed inside a little cardboard box via a courier  - unless I missed something there wasn?t even any refrigerated transport? 

I know Adam has his own successful farm and visitor attraction - very likely to have been helped by his Countryfile fame, but I?m struggling to see how programmes such as this makes any sense. 

It?s another from the same Channel 5 stable as Kate Humble?s ?A better life in the country for half the price? ?.where some naive person sells their two up two down house in Hemel Hempstead and buys a dilapidated farmhouse in Orkney to have some cash left over from the house sale proceeds to give up their well paid job for a hare-brained idea hoping they?ll be able to survive growing radish and selling few eggs in weather conditions that would make a polar bear would shiver.  (Not too sure about the ?better life? part of the title)

Is there a hidden Channel 5 agenda that I?m not aware of or do they assume all viewers will believe everything they see because Kate or Adam claims it is just ?Amazing? which as we all know seems to be the favourite word on TV these days!

Steve








From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug  3 08:29:13 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:29:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Adam Henson Farm Rescue
In-Reply-To: <3EF04200-9117-4F95-9E56-2316A336D53C@btinternet.com>
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I didn?t see the programme, but doesn?t the smoking process also preserve the meat?  It might travel ok in ordinary mail. 

You can buy kippers by mail order, but getting fresh herrings by mail order is a little more tricky.

As far as the other shows are concerned, I would always take a pinch of salt ( also a preservative ) with any claims or suggestions within makeover programmes. The ones I?ve worked on have massively misrepresented the reality of what happened, but that?s true of many TV programmes. 

Alan Taylor


> On 3 Aug 2021, at 14:19, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone else watch this recent Channel 5 offering  ?
> 
> I?ve just watched it (reluctantly) in amazement wondering how they can present a farm losing over ?20K per year by setting up a small facility smoking lamb chops to make a mere ?25K ? (not sure how much of this may be actual profit)
> They sent samples of their produce all the way from Scotland down to Bath for a customer only packed inside a little cardboard box via a courier  - unless I missed something there wasn?t even any refrigerated transport? 
> 
> I know Adam has his own successful farm and visitor attraction - very likely to have been helped by his Countryfile fame, but I?m struggling to see how programmes such as this makes any sense. 
> 
> It?s another from the same Channel 5 stable as Kate Humble?s ?A better life in the country for half the price? ?.where some naive person sells their two up two down house in Hemel Hempstead and buys a dilapidated farmhouse in Orkney to have some cash left over from the house sale proceeds to give up their well paid job for a hare-brained idea hoping they?ll be able to survive growing radish and selling few eggs in weather conditions that would make a polar bear would shiver.  (Not too sure about the ?better life? part of the title)
> 
> Is there a hidden Channel 5 agenda that I?m not aware of or do they assume all viewers will believe everything they see because Kate or Adam claims it is just ?Amazing? which as we all know seems to be the favourite word on TV these days!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Aug  3 08:31:51 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 14:31:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Adam Henson Farm Rescue
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Message-ID: <3C69C3D1-D67F-4A29-854D-9560D3A1D760@me.com>

You're quite right Steve, take all this kind of crapola with a bucket if salt.

I was made redundant at 44 when the mad old bat abolished the GLC/ILEA and we were fortunate (in retrospect) to find the boatyard on the canal we now have, which also included a small-ish house.  The best that could be said of it 32 years ago was that it was fairly watertight!

All these 'new life in the country/abroad/on a farm/ chair bodging' are extremely coy about the finances, and when we moved to Warwickshire the bank-manager (remember those?) said, having seen the books, that we'd have a better return with one of his savings accounts.  He wasn't best pleased when I responded, 'That's true but does that account come with a house?'

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 3 Aug 2021, at 14:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone else watch this recent Channel 5 offering  ?
> 
> I?ve just watched it (reluctantly) in amazement wondering how they can present a farm losing over ?20K per year by setting up a small facility smoking lamb chops to make a mere ?25K ? (not sure how much of this may be actual profit)
> They sent samples of their produce all the way from Scotland down to Bath for a customer only packed inside a little cardboard box via a courier  - unless I missed something there wasn?t even any refrigerated transport? 
> 
> I know Adam has his own successful farm and visitor attraction - very likely to have been helped by his Countryfile fame, but I?m struggling to see how programmes such as this makes any sense. 
> 
> It?s another from the same Channel 5 stable as Kate Humble?s ?A better life in the country for half the price? ?.where some naive person sells their two up two down house in Hemel Hempstead and buys a dilapidated farmhouse in Orkney to have some cash left over from the house sale proceeds to give up their well paid job for a hare-brained idea hoping they?ll be able to survive growing radish and selling few eggs in weather conditions that would make a polar bear would shiver.  (Not too sure about the ?better life? part of the title)
> 
> Is there a hidden Channel 5 agenda that I?m not aware of or do they assume all viewers will believe everything they see because Kate or Adam claims it is just ?Amazing? which as we all know seems to be the favourite word on TV these days!
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug  3 16:18:21 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:18:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
Message-ID: <14A4E532-C79A-49F0-8FB0-20F6DE570E11@me.com>

I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.

My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.

What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?

Alan Taylor

From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 17:00:25 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:00:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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My Morris Minor circa 1964 (32 EPL) had trafficators. In retrospect I don?t think they were very visible from all viewing angles. Whilst it?s great to be authentic, I think if it?s still on the road, safety is of greater importance, and trafficators might be dodgy insurance-wise if the car is involved in a prang.
Also, during the time I had that car I lost count of the number of times they got snapped off by clumsy bods leaping out of the car while the trafficator was still out.
Probably a design feature best left in the past where it belongs!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 3 Aug 2021, at 22:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
> 
> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
> 
> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
> 
> Alan Taylor
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug  3 17:09:23 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:09:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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By the way, the Minor was my first car. I had a friend who worked for Puttocks Motors in Guildford, who sold me that car ex-demo for ?250 inc PT. Even at that price, on my meagre BBC salary I had to buy it on two years? HP!
Then after that a Triumph Herald, followed soon after by a Spitfire. Now that was a car!
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 3 Aug 2021, at 23:00, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My Morris Minor circa 1964 (32 EPL) had trafficators. In retrospect I don?t think they were very visible from all viewing angles. Whilst it?s great to be authentic, I think if it?s still on the road, safety is of greater importance, and trafficators might be dodgy insurance-wise if the car is involved in a prang.
> Also, during the time I had that car I lost count of the number of times they got snapped off by clumsy bods leaping out of the car while the trafficator was still out.
> Probably a design feature best left in the past where it belongs!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 3 Aug 2021, at 22:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
>> 
>> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
>> 
>> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Tue Aug  3 18:05:30 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 00:05:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <14A4E532-C79A-49F0-8FB0-20F6DE570E11@me.com>
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I?m not a Moggy Minor specialist - more of an interested onlooker- I remember the earlier models had the split windscreen and semaphore arms on the door B posts just below roof height. The later production cars had separate Lucas indicators both front & rear - latest Minor I saw was, I think?,  registered on a K reg - 1971/2.  Post office vans went on later than this because of how the GPO bought & stored vehicles.

Anyway, there are two schools of thought: If you?re a purist & concourse exhibitor wanting everything original and exactly as it should be - perhaps you spend all your spare time looking for rare & original parts and you live & breathe Morris Minors, then the retro fitting or modifications like you mention would obviously be a very big No!   Indicators inside a headlight unit (or closely positioned next to it) aren?t very visible at night because of the glare of the headlight and could be dangerous - a design fault of a number of modern cars.

Or, on the other hand, if you are one of those who ?drives? your classic car to work and on corrosive salty roads in the winter, you pull a huge Ifor Williams trailer, your car has been sprayed the shade of metallic orange Pearl-effect two pack paint the wife liked best (instead than the original gloss black) and every bolt has been replaced with extra long stainless steel metric instead of the original UNF threads, you?ve powder coated every part in black gloss exaggerating the appearance all the previous rust pitting & corrosion, you?ve lost the original registration number and you have binned the original Dunlop cross-ply tyres and fitted it with Pirelli radials onto wide alloy wheels onto lowered suspension?then you may as well go ahead and fit an LED into every orifice you can find.  (Apologies if this sounds all too familiar)

Unless maybe the LED mods you mention are just a clip-on easily fitted & removed item for those wanting safety if their cars are only fitted with semaphore trafficators - in which case I might possibly be able to forgive any such owner - well, just on this one occasion?

Hard to believe that the Morris empire has been lost forever.  Sad.

Steve

> On 3 Aug 2021, at 22:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
> 
> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
> 
> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
> 
> Alan Taylor
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Wed Aug  4 01:03:52 2021
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 15:03:52 +0900
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <14A4E532-C79A-49F0-8FB0-20F6DE570E11@me.com>
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Hi Alan, Nick and others

It?s a tricky one this.
When my Dad passed he had never achieved his ?goal? of wanting to own a red MGA and that has always stuck with me so about 5 years ago I decided to take the plunge and buy an old e-type jag and I have gradually restored it to its former glory.
Along the way there have been many difficult choices along the lines that Alan mentioned. It was apparent to me that the original brakes required almost psychic powers to predict when to use them when traveling at ?proper e-type speeds?! So do you replace them with a better and safer modern equivalent (that?s easily available)? Yes, was my decision as I want to drive the car regularly not just polish it in the garage.
I now have a whole series of boxes in my garage of ?original? parts that could easily be put back if required by someone, but I feel happier and safer driving a car that has better lighting, better brakes, improved starter motor, better coil, improved alternator etc than the original but it would never win any medals or concours awards.
Like many I worked under at TV centre (Ron Green with his frog eye sprite or Austin Healy ? for instance) I want to drive and enjoy my ?classic? so, whilst for the most part, it looks original, anyone with any detailed knowledge may be appalled?
Which then brings me to my next decision. I?m now toying with whether I should do a full electric conversion on it. The roar of the straight six 4.2 when I press the start button still brings a smile to my face every time I start it but part of me worries about the 18mpg it returns?..
I think the electricfication could be one step too far but maybe I could wait for another cheap ?non-matching numbers? version to turn up and start again?
Funny that Nick and I had a similar run of cars early on - the Herald was really easy to work on.

Graham Maunder


Sent from my iPhone 

> On 4 Aug 2021, at 06:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
> 
> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
> 
> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
> 
> Alan Taylor
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> Tech1 mailing list
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Aug  4 01:56:59 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 07:56:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <C2F516C5-10C0-4185-A9DB-754C0468D306@icloud.com>
References: <C2F516C5-10C0-4185-A9DB-754C0468D306@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <E00F1E4E-5CF2-4226-9204-21C9B104DB38@me.com>

During the 60s and 70s, I went to a lot of drag racing or custom car events where classic cars were modified to become extreme caricatures. I also have friends who obsessively restore cars to original condition and who won?t countenance any part which isn?t original 



> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:03, Graham Maunder <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Alan, Nick and others
> 
> It?s a tricky one this.
> When my Dad passed he had never achieved his ?goal? of wanting to own a red MGA and that has always stuck with me so about 5 years ago I decided to take the plunge and buy an old e-type jag and I have gradually restored it to its former glory.
> Along the way there have been many difficult choices along the lines that Alan mentioned. It was apparent to me that the original brakes required almost psychic powers to predict when to use them when traveling at ?proper e-type speeds?! So do you replace them with a better and safer modern equivalent (that?s easily available)? Yes, was my decision as I want to drive the car regularly not just polish it in the garage.
> I now have a whole series of boxes in my garage of ?original? parts that could easily be put back if required by someone, but I feel happier and safer driving a car that has better lighting, better brakes, improved starter motor, better coil, improved alternator etc than the original but it would never win any medals or concours awards.
> Like many I worked under at TV centre (Ron Green with his frog eye sprite or Austin Healy ? for instance) I want to drive and enjoy my ?classic? so, whilst for the most part, it looks original, anyone with any detailed knowledge may be appalled?
> Which then brings me to my next decision. I?m now toying with whether I should do a full electric conversion on it. The roar of the straight six 4.2 when I press the start button still brings a smile to my face every time I start it but part of me worries about the 18mpg it returns?..
> I think the electricfication could be one step too far but maybe I could wait for another cheap ?non-matching numbers? version to turn up and start again?
> Funny that Nick and I had a similar run of cars early on - the Herald was really easy to work on.
> 
> Graham Maunder
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 06:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
>> 
>> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
>> 
>> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Aug  4 02:03:07 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 08:03:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <E00F1E4E-5CF2-4226-9204-21C9B104DB38@me.com>
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Message got sent prematurely ?. 

Continues -

So I understand both approaches.  I?m more inclined to side with modern safety features which don?t change the overall look. 

By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber bumpers were handy too. 

Alan Taylor

> 
> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:56, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?During the 60s and 70s, I went to a lot of drag racing or custom car events where classic cars were modified to become extreme caricatures. I also have friends who obsessively restore cars to original condition and who won?t countenance any part which isn?t original 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:03, Graham Maunder <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Alan, Nick and others
>> 
>> It?s a tricky one this.
>> When my Dad passed he had never achieved his ?goal? of wanting to own a red MGA and that has always stuck with me so about 5 years ago I decided to take the plunge and buy an old e-type jag and I have gradually restored it to its former glory.
>> Along the way there have been many difficult choices along the lines that Alan mentioned. It was apparent to me that the original brakes required almost psychic powers to predict when to use them when traveling at ?proper e-type speeds?! So do you replace them with a better and safer modern equivalent (that?s easily available)? Yes, was my decision as I want to drive the car regularly not just polish it in the garage.
>> I now have a whole series of boxes in my garage of ?original? parts that could easily be put back if required by someone, but I feel happier and safer driving a car that has better lighting, better brakes, improved starter motor, better coil, improved alternator etc than the original but it would never win any medals or concours awards.
>> Like many I worked under at TV centre (Ron Green with his frog eye sprite or Austin Healy ? for instance) I want to drive and enjoy my ?classic? so, whilst for the most part, it looks original, anyone with any detailed knowledge may be appalled?
>> Which then brings me to my next decision. I?m now toying with whether I should do a full electric conversion on it. The roar of the straight six 4.2 when I press the start button still brings a smile to my face every time I start it but part of me worries about the 18mpg it returns?..
>> I think the electricfication could be one step too far but maybe I could wait for another cheap ?non-matching numbers? version to turn up and start again?
>> Funny that Nick and I had a similar run of cars early on - the Herald was really easy to work on.
>> 
>> Graham Maunder
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 06:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
>>> 
>>> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
>>> 
>>> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Aug  4 02:46:31 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 08:46:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <7917BFD9-87D3-479E-952F-4E966C3C311D@me.com>
References: <7917BFD9-87D3-479E-952F-4E966C3C311D@me.com>
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My first car was a sit-up and beg Ford Prefect, regulation black and that had semaphore turn indicators, which were troublesome to say the least. I then bought a split-screen Morris Minor which already had winking indicators, but they looked alright as they were simply amber versions of the brake lights. I foolishly let that car go for a meagre sum in part exchange for the brand new(!) Austin Mini which I bought next in 1966 - that car was nothing but trouble and I was relieved to part with it as being too small when our second child arrived. 

Mike G

> On 4 Aug 2021, at 08:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Message got sent prematurely ?. 
> 
> Continues -
> 
> So I understand both approaches.  I?m more inclined to side with modern safety features which don?t change the overall look. 
> 
> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber bumpers were handy too. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> 
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:56, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?During the 60s and 70s, I went to a lot of drag racing or custom car events where classic cars were modified to become extreme caricatures. I also have friends who obsessively restore cars to original condition and who won?t countenance any part which isn?t original 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:03, Graham Maunder <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi Alan, Nick and others
>>> 
>>> It?s a tricky one this.
>>> When my Dad passed he had never achieved his ?goal? of wanting to own a red MGA and that has always stuck with me so about 5 years ago I decided to take the plunge and buy an old e-type jag and I have gradually restored it to its former glory.
>>> Along the way there have been many difficult choices along the lines that Alan mentioned. It was apparent to me that the original brakes required almost psychic powers to predict when to use them when traveling at ?proper e-type speeds?! So do you replace them with a better and safer modern equivalent (that?s easily available)? Yes, was my decision as I want to drive the car regularly not just polish it in the garage.
>>> I now have a whole series of boxes in my garage of ?original? parts that could easily be put back if required by someone, but I feel happier and safer driving a car that has better lighting, better brakes, improved starter motor, better coil, improved alternator etc than the original but it would never win any medals or concours awards.
>>> Like many I worked under at TV centre (Ron Green with his frog eye sprite or Austin Healy ? for instance) I want to drive and enjoy my ?classic? so, whilst for the most part, it looks original, anyone with any detailed knowledge may be appalled?
>>> Which then brings me to my next decision. I?m now toying with whether I should do a full electric conversion on it. The roar of the straight six 4.2 when I press the start button still brings a smile to my face every time I start it but part of me worries about the 18mpg it returns?..
>>> I think the electricfication could be one step too far but maybe I could wait for another cheap ?non-matching numbers? version to turn up and start again?
>>> Funny that Nick and I had a similar run of cars early on - the Herald was really easy to work on.
>>> 
>>> Graham Maunder
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 06:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
>>>> 
>>>> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From doug.prior at talktalk.net  Wed Aug  4 03:01:34 2021
From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug.prior)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 09:01:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Grahame ?Will your E-type run on the new E10 petrol.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Aug  4 03:28:25 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 09:28:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <242BF10E-9800-4B69-AE9E-7B191BE835D4@mac.com>
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When I used to live near Newbury, there was a small garage in Kintbury which specialised in parts and repairs for Morris Minors.  I don?t know if it?s still going, I hope so because it was an amazing place.

The other side of Newbury, near Theale, there was ( and probably still is ) a garage called the Half Way garage. It specialised in restoring classic cars. That garage also claimed to be the first garage to have roadside petrol pumps in England.  Prior to that, motorists bought fuel in cans.  It?s just at the end of a short bit of dual carriageway on the A4 towards Newbury.  

A few hundred yards before it was a much loved transport caf? called Mac?s Cafe ( now Max Caf? ), which had an enormous ( maybe six foot ) teapot outside on the flat roof.  There was talk of it becoming a listed building. Riggers going to Newbury Racecourse would stop for refreshments and then travel to site in a convoy. They would sometimes leave the M4 at Theale, stop at Mac?s and then continue along the A4 to rejoin the M4 and onwards to the West Country or Wales. 

It backed onto the railway line and when I moved to that area, they had some railway carriages which had been used for accommodation, but they were very run down by then and were removed soon after.  One of the coaches was reputed to have been a Royal one.   Another curiosity was that the owner bought a vintage steam roller which he lovingly restored.  He would occasionally get offers of ?surplus? lorry loads of tarmac, which he would buy cheaply and then use his steam roller to resurface parts of the vehicle park. Once in a while I would drive past and see him chugging up and down renewing different bits of the parking area.

Not far from there along the A4 at Beenham was a pub which for a while was called ?The Winning Hand?.  The original owner was a gambler and ended up betting the pub on a high stakes game of poker.  He lost and the winner renamed it to celebrate his good fortune. However the last time I passed, it had shut, so maybe his good fortune didn?t last.

That?s enough useless trivia for now, but be warned, there?s loads more where that came from.

Alan Taylor

> On 4 Aug 2021, at 08:46, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?My first car was a sit-up and beg Ford Prefect, regulation black and that had semaphore turn indicators, which were troublesome to say the least. I then bought a split-screen Morris Minor which already had winking indicators, but they looked alright as they were simply amber versions of the brake lights. I foolishly let that car go for a meagre sum in part exchange for the brand new(!) Austin Mini which I bought next in 1966 - that car was nothing but trouble and I was relieved to part with it as being too small when our second child arrived. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 08:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Message got sent prematurely ?. 
>> 
>> Continues -
>> 
>> So I understand both approaches.  I?m more inclined to side with modern safety features which don?t change the overall look. 
>> 
>> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber bumpers were handy too. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:56, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?During the 60s and 70s, I went to a lot of drag racing or custom car events where classic cars were modified to become extreme caricatures. I also have friends who obsessively restore cars to original condition and who won?t countenance any part which isn?t original 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:03, Graham Maunder <grahamthecameraman at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Hi Alan, Nick and others
>>>> 
>>>> It?s a tricky one this.
>>>> When my Dad passed he had never achieved his ?goal? of wanting to own a red MGA and that has always stuck with me so about 5 years ago I decided to take the plunge and buy an old e-type jag and I have gradually restored it to its former glory.
>>>> Along the way there have been many difficult choices along the lines that Alan mentioned. It was apparent to me that the original brakes required almost psychic powers to predict when to use them when traveling at ?proper e-type speeds?! So do you replace them with a better and safer modern equivalent (that?s easily available)? Yes, was my decision as I want to drive the car regularly not just polish it in the garage.
>>>> I now have a whole series of boxes in my garage of ?original? parts that could easily be put back if required by someone, but I feel happier and safer driving a car that has better lighting, better brakes, improved starter motor, better coil, improved alternator etc than the original but it would never win any medals or concours awards.
>>>> Like many I worked under at TV centre (Ron Green with his frog eye sprite or Austin Healy ? for instance) I want to drive and enjoy my ?classic? so, whilst for the most part, it looks original, anyone with any detailed knowledge may be appalled?
>>>> Which then brings me to my next decision. I?m now toying with whether I should do a full electric conversion on it. The roar of the straight six 4.2 when I press the start button still brings a smile to my face every time I start it but part of me worries about the 18mpg it returns?..
>>>> I think the electricfication could be one step too far but maybe I could wait for another cheap ?non-matching numbers? version to turn up and start again?
>>>> Funny that Nick and I had a similar run of cars early on - the Herald was really easy to work on.
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Maunder
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 06:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  4 03:30:14 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 09:30:14 +0100
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Some of you might get Martin?s Money Tips ? this came in today:
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 03:41:13 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 09:41:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Running classic cars is going to be more of a problem when the fuels change
soon to more ethanol. My Rover V8 with Edelbrock carb will need to be run
on Super petrol which they don't sell at the local Asda

B

On Wed, 4 Aug 2021, 09:28 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> When I used to live near Newbury, there was a small garage in Kintbury
> which specialised in parts and repairs for Morris Minors.  I don?t know if
> it?s still going, I hope so because it was an amazing place.
>
> The other side of Newbury, near Theale, there was ( and probably still is
> ) a garage called the Half Way garage. It specialised in restoring classic
> cars. That garage also claimed to be the first garage to have roadside
> petrol pumps in England.  Prior to that, motorists bought fuel in cans.
> It?s just at the end of a short bit of dual carriageway on the A4 towards
> Newbury.
>
> A few hundred yards before it was a much loved transport caf? called Mac?s
> Cafe ( now Max Caf? ), which had an enormous ( maybe six foot ) teapot
> outside on the flat roof.  There was talk of it becoming a listed building.
> Riggers going to Newbury Racecourse would stop for refreshments and then
> travel to site in a convoy. They would sometimes leave the M4 at Theale,
> stop at Mac?s and then continue along the A4 to rejoin the M4 and onwards
> to the West Country or Wales.
>
> It backed onto the railway line and when I moved to that area, they had
> some railway carriages which had been used for accommodation, but they were
> very run down by then and were removed soon after.  One of the coaches was
> reputed to have been a Royal one.   Another curiosity was that the owner
> bought a vintage steam roller which he lovingly restored.  He would
> occasionally get offers of ?surplus? lorry loads of tarmac, which he would
> buy cheaply and then use his steam roller to resurface parts of the vehicle
> park. Once in a while I would drive past and see him chugging up and down
> renewing different bits of the parking area.
>
> Not far from there along the A4 at Beenham was a pub which for a while was
> called ?The Winning Hand?.  The original owner was a gambler and ended up
> betting the pub on a high stakes game of poker.  He lost and the winner
> renamed it to celebrate his good fortune. However the last time I passed,
> it had shut, so maybe his good fortune didn?t last.
>
> That?s enough useless trivia for now, but be warned, there?s loads more
> where that came from.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
> > On 4 Aug 2021, at 08:46, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?My first car was a sit-up and beg Ford Prefect, regulation black and
> that had semaphore turn indicators, which were troublesome to say the
> least. I then bought a split-screen Morris Minor which already had winking
> indicators, but they looked alright as they were simply amber versions of
> the brake lights. I foolishly let that car go for a meagre sum in part
> exchange for the brand new(!) Austin Mini which I bought next in 1966 -
> that car was nothing but trouble and I was relieved to part with it as
> being too small when our second child arrived.
> >
> > Mike G
> >
> >> On 4 Aug 2021, at 08:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Message got sent prematurely ?.
> >>
> >> Continues -
> >>
> >> So I understand both approaches.  I?m more inclined to side with modern
> safety features which don?t change the overall look.
> >>
> >> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing
> driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber bumpers
> were handy too.
> >>
> >> Alan Taylor
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:56, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?During the 60s and 70s, I went to a lot of drag racing or custom car
> events where classic cars were modified to become extreme caricatures. I
> also have friends who obsessively restore cars to original condition and
> who won?t countenance any part which isn?t original
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 07:03, Graham Maunder <
> grahamthecameraman at icloud.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Hi Alan, Nick and others
> >>>>
> >>>> It?s a tricky one this.
> >>>> When my Dad passed he had never achieved his ?goal? of wanting to own
> a red MGA and that has always stuck with me so about 5 years ago I decided
> to take the plunge and buy an old e-type jag and I have gradually restored
> it to its former glory.
> >>>> Along the way there have been many difficult choices along the lines
> that Alan mentioned. It was apparent to me that the original brakes
> required almost psychic powers to predict when to use them when traveling
> at ?proper e-type speeds?! So do you replace them with a better and safer
> modern equivalent (that?s easily available)? Yes, was my decision as I want
> to drive the car regularly not just polish it in the garage.
> >>>> I now have a whole series of boxes in my garage of ?original? parts
> that could easily be put back if required by someone, but I feel happier
> and safer driving a car that has better lighting, better brakes, improved
> starter motor, better coil, improved alternator etc than the original but
> it would never win any medals or concours awards.
> >>>> Like many I worked under at TV centre (Ron Green with his frog eye
> sprite or Austin Healy ? for instance) I want to drive and enjoy my
> ?classic? so, whilst for the most part, it looks original, anyone with any
> detailed knowledge may be appalled?
> >>>> Which then brings me to my next decision. I?m now toying with whether
> I should do a full electric conversion on it. The roar of the straight six
> 4.2 when I press the start button still brings a smile to my face every
> time I start it but part of me worries about the 18mpg it returns?..
> >>>> I think the electricfication could be one step too far but maybe I
> could wait for another cheap ?non-matching numbers? version to turn up and
> start again?
> >>>> Funny that Nick and I had a similar run of cars early on - the Herald
> was really easy to work on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Graham Maunder
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 06:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous
> condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the
> chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight
> for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done
> at the back.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car
> for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had
> trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know
> what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the
> period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn
> and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to
> have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Alan Taylor
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  4 04:00:34 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:00:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Also a Herald owner, too. I had two Heralds which I loved driving, then switched to the 13/60 model which I did not like as much. The pedals and steering column came at one from two different angles, but you got used to it. The rear suspension on the earlier models was somewhat lively, and one day, coming into Guildford, I took a bend rather too fast and the car hopped across into the opposite lane ? luckily there was nothing coming the other way ? that section has now been dualled! I failed my first driving test in the school?s car, a Morris Minor which I hated, Second time, took it in my Herald ? much more comfortable with that. Since then, defected to BMW?s and had about eight or nine over the years.
My father also had a Herald, and we used to service the cars, side by side ? one could perch on the front tyre with legs and feet inside, while he taught me to re-grind the valves.
Dad was a Thorneycroft trained engineer on diesels, and spent the war setting up mobile workshops in the North African theatre.
Probably more stories later.....
Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber bumpers were handy too. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor




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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 04:07:12 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:07:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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"The amazing turning circle of the Triumph Herald" voiced by John Braben 
in a cinema near you.

I had both a Herald and a Spitfire. I got quite good at changing UJs, 
and replacing the clutch from inside.

B



On 04/08/2021 10:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Also a Herald owner, too. I had two Heralds which I loved driving, 
> then switched to the 13/60 model which I did not like as much. The 
> pedals and steering column came at one from two different angles, but 
> you got used to it. The rear suspension on the earlier models was 
> somewhat lively, and one day, coming into Guildford, I took a bend 
> rather too fast and the car hopped across into the opposite lane ? 
> luckily there was nothing coming the other way ? that section has now 
> been dualled! I failed my first driving test in the school?s car, a 
> Morris Minor which I hated, Second time, took it in my Herald ? much 
> more comfortable with that. Since then, defected to BMW?s and had 
> about eight or nine over the years.
>
> My father also had a Herald, and we used to service the cars, side by 
> side ? one could perch on the front tyre with legs and feet inside, 
> while he taught me to re-grind the valves.
>
> Dad was a Thorneycroft trained engineer on diesels, and spent the war 
> setting up mobile workshops in the North African theatre.
>
> Probably more stories later.....
>
> Best
>
> Pat
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> >> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing 
> driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber 
> bumpers were handy too.
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> >>
>
> >> Alan Taylor
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Aug  4 04:33:17 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:33:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Thorneycroft or Thornycroft?

Graeme Wall

> On 4 Aug 2021, at 10:01, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Also a Herald owner, too. I had two Heralds which I loved driving, then switched to the 13/60 model which I did not like as much. The pedals and steering column came at one from two different angles, but you got used to it. The rear suspension on the earlier models was somewhat lively, and one day, coming into Guildford, I took a bend rather too fast and the car hopped across into the opposite lane ? luckily there was nothing coming the other way ? that section has now been dualled! I failed my first driving test in the school?s car, a Morris Minor which I hated, Second time, took it in my Herald ? much more comfortable with that. Since then, defected to BMW?s and had about eight or nine over the years.
> My father also had a Herald, and we used to service the cars, side by side ? one could perch on the front tyre with legs and feet inside, while he taught me to re-grind the valves.
> Dad was a Thorneycroft trained engineer on diesels, and spent the war setting up mobile workshops in the North African theatre.
> Probably more stories later.....
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> >> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber bumpers were handy too.
> >>
> >> Alan Taylor
>  
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Aug  4 04:44:44 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:44:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <34ba134d-93ab-fe00-35ed-f98caf9061fe@gmail.com>
References: <242BF10E-9800-4B69-AE9E-7B191BE835D4@mac.com><0ED65841-3E22-4ADE-AEAD-0C20EF174BFD@me.com><610a5732.1c69fb81.19b73.5b55@mx.google.com>
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Were we all born with a Standard-Triumph oriented gene? I had a Herald 1200 conv. followed by a Spitfire Mk II. Here?s my Herald somewhere in central France heading for the Med in August 1964, Rod Stebbing in the back with his sister, his brother-in-law in front beside me. Note the French regs compliant headlamp colour!



And here at an overnight stop at Albi

 

And a couple of shots of my Spitfire from 1967 taken in South Croydon outside my flat





I think motoring was much more fun then ? we perhaps really did have the best of it.

Dave Newbitt



From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 10:07 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored

"The amazing turning circle of the Triumph Herald" voiced by John Braben in a cinema near you.

I had both a Herald and a Spitfire. I got quite good at changing UJs, and replacing the clutch from inside.

B




On 04/08/2021 10:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:

  Also a Herald owner, too. I had two Heralds which I loved driving, then switched to the 13/60 model which I did not like as much. The pedals and steering column came at one from two different angles, but you got used to it. The rear suspension on the earlier models was somewhat lively, and one day, coming into Guildford, I took a bend rather too fast and the car hopped across into the opposite lane ? luckily there was nothing coming the other way ? that section has now been dualled! I failed my first driving test in the school?s car, a Morris Minor which I hated, Second time, took it in my Herald ? much more comfortable with that. Since then, defected to BMW?s and had about eight or nine over the years.

  My father also had a Herald, and we used to service the cars, side by side ? one could perch on the front tyre with legs and feet inside, while he taught me to re-grind the valves.

  Dad was a Thorneycroft trained engineer on diesels, and spent the war setting up mobile workshops in the North African theatre.

  Probably more stories later.....

  Best

  Pat

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  >> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber bumpers were handy too. 

  >> 

  >> Alan Taylor

   

   




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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 04:56:21 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 10:56:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Margate early eighties. My son rode on the back shelf with cushions. 
When he got too big, I bought a new Fiat Uno, my first new car.? It 
never went wrong

B



On 04/08/2021 10:44, David Newbitt wrote:
> Were we all born with a Standard-Triumph oriented gene? I had a Herald 
> 1200 conv. followed by a Spitfire Mk II. Here?s my Herald somewhere in 
> central France heading for the Med in August 1964, Rod Stebbing in the 
> back with his sister, his brother-in-law in front beside me. Note the 
> French regs compliant headlamp colour!
> Herald central France
> And here at an overnight stop at Albi
> Herald at Albi camp site
> And a couple of shots of my Spitfire from 1967 taken in South Croydon 
> outside my flat
> Spitfire Mk II front edit
> Spitfire Mk II rear edit
> I think motoring was much more fun then ? we perhaps really did have 
> the best of it.
> Dave Newbitt
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 4, 2021 10:07 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Car restored
> "The amazing turning circle of the Triumph Herald" voiced by John 
> Braben in a cinema near you.
>
> I had both a Herald and a Spitfire. I got quite good at changing UJs, 
> and replacing the clutch from inside.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 04/08/2021 10:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Also a Herald owner, too. I had two Heralds which I loved driving, 
>> then switched to the 13/60 model which I did not like as much. The 
>> pedals and steering column came at one from two different angles, but 
>> you got used to it. The rear suspension on the earlier models was 
>> somewhat lively, and one day, coming into Guildford, I took a bend 
>> rather too fast and the car hopped across into the opposite lane ? 
>> luckily there was nothing coming the other way ? that section has now 
>> been dualled! I failed my first driving test in the school?s car, a 
>> Morris Minor which I hated, Second time, took it in my Herald ? much 
>> more comfortable with that. Since then, defected to BMW?s and had 
>> about eight or nine over the years.
>>
>> My father also had a Herald, and we used to service the cars, side by 
>> side ? one could perch on the front tyre with legs and feet inside, 
>> while he taught me to re-grind the valves.
>>
>> Dad was a Thorneycroft trained engineer on diesels, and spent the war 
>> setting up mobile workshops in the North African theatre.
>>
>> Probably more stories later.....
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>> >> By the way, ex Herald driver too. Amazing turning circle for doing 
>> driving test and bonnet opens up to expose entire engine. Rubber 
>> bumpers were handy too.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Aug  4 05:25:58 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 11:25:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <ohh8ic5spqiltah40ralu980.1628064020583@email.android.com>
References: <ohh8ic5spqiltah40ralu980.1628064020583@email.android.com>
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Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
will run on E10.

The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.

But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
year, yet still manage to run old cars.  

In article <ohh8ic5spqiltah40ralu980.1628064020583 at email.android.com>,
   doug.prior via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


> Grahame  Will your E-type run on the new E10 petrol.

> Doug Prior


> Sent from Samsung tablet

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Aug  4 05:18:58 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 11:18:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <14A4E532-C79A-49F0-8FB0-20F6DE570E11@me.com>
References: <14A4E532-C79A-49F0-8FB0-20F6DE570E11@me.com>
Message-ID: <5956aaa68ddavesound@btinternet.com>

The last version of the Minor had different tail and fronts with amber
sectors for the flashers. They could be retro fitted easily - if still
available. I'd not consider using a car daily still fitted with
trafficators. They were easily missed even when the norm.  Not sure if the
Minor went to white and red flashers, though, as many UK cars did for a
while.

Up to the owner if he likes his new headlights. They likely work rather
better as headlights too, given the pathetic ones fitted originally. And
it is an easily reversed mod. 

The Minor is hardly an incredibly rare car where originality must be
preserved at all costs. Many will have had the later Marina engine fitted,
and disc brakes at the front too.   


In article <14A4E532-C79A-49F0-8FB0-20F6DE570E11 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.

> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.

> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?

> Alan Taylor
> -- 
> Te

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Aug  4 05:45:25 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:45:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <5956ab4b48davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <5956ab4b48davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B9E3A9F7-ED87-49C6-85ED-3B81FF3FC66B@me.com>

We?ve regularly driven to Germany and E10 has been the norm there for years. Father in law used to own a car dealership near Mainz and I once asked him how older cars in Germany have survived the transition.  He told me that he?s yet to see a car which had definitely become damaged from using E10.

Alan Taylor

> On 4 Aug 2021, at 11:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
> will run on E10.
> 
> The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
> Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
> anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.
> 
> But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
> year, yet still manage to run old cars.  
> 
> In article <ohh8ic5spqiltah40ralu980.1628064020583 at email.android.com>,
>   doug.prior via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Grahame  Will your E-type run on the new E10 petrol.
> 
>> Doug Prior
> 
> 
>> Sent from Samsung tablet
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Wed Aug  4 05:52:23 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:52:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <5956ab4b48davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <ohh8ic5spqiltah40ralu980.1628064020583@email.android.com>
	<5956ab4b48davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <A5AAC802-37E6-4240-AAAD-DC23FA18786B@icloud.com>

Last September I spent a month in the S of France and the day before we left to come home the engine started faltering a bit.
The upshot is that I drove 700 odd miles back on 3 cylinders.

The problem turned out to be a blocked injector.

I had been using E10 while we were there and my suspicion is that it had loosened some debris already in the fuel system.
2008 Golf GTi with over 200,000 miles on the clock.

We?re planning to go back again in a fortnight - I might avoid E10 this time!


Peter Neill


> On 4 Aug 2021, at 11:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
> will run on E10.
> 
> The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
> Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
> anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.
> 
> But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
> year, yet still manage to run old cars.  
> 
> In article <ohh8ic5spqiltah40ralu980.1628064020583 at email.android.com>,
>   doug.prior via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
>> Grahame  Will your E-type run on the new E10 petrol.
> 
>> Doug Prior
> 
> 
>> Sent from Samsung tablet
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  4 05:59:36 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 11:59:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Oops! Put in an ?e? where there should not be one.
Dad is long gone, so cannot ask him!
?nother story....
Mentioned that my Dad was involved in the North African war.
His overall commander was Gen. Alexander, whom Dad considered a better commander than Montgomery, who bowled in, demanding: ?I want, I want? and got all the armaments and equipment to tackle Alamein. Mostly courtesy of the USA, I believe. Ironic, then that Monty was the chairman of my school?s governors in Leatherhead! He did organise the Queen Mum to come and present the prizes, one speech day. She landed by helicopter on the senior field, where Monty?s Rolls, with the reverse rake windscreen was waiting to take her round to the main entrance for the official way-in.
I had hoped to take some 8mm cine, but this was difficult, as I was playing in the Corps of Drums ? this was a ruse to avoid crawling around muddy fields and having to clean our uniforms afterwards. (Dad taught me how to keep my webbing spick and span, only to find that some idle bugger had nicked my stuff in the changing room and left me with his grotty example ? so joining the band meant that we blanco-ed our webbing white! Thus if mine got nicked, there were only 20 other suspects!) We just assembled in a classroom and tried to play a few numbers ? it did actually teach me to read music in a small way, which later helped in my BBC career. But I made an horrendous mistake on a ballet film at Sadler?s Wells.
The music, off Nagra tape had needed quite a bit of editing of various takes. I had the following day?s tape laced up to test the playback, when the MD, think it may have been Barry Wordsworth came by and asked to hear that bit again. ?There?s 4 bars missing?, he said. I had edited in a re-take, and missed that there had been a repeat section. He was very forgiving, apologising for the fact that the score sheet was a mess, with crossings out and sellotaped bars hither and thither! Luckily there was time to re-edit overnight, and then to restripe the Nagra tape with the sync pulse, which could be done on the IV-S.
Incidentally, a programme I watched last night, carried an end credit for the ?Grams-Op? on the roller caption. First time I?ve ever seen that! 
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Graeme Wall
Sent: 04 August 2021 10:33
To: patheigham
Cc: Alan Taylor; tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored

Thorneycroft or Thornycroft?
Graeme Wall





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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Aug  4 06:12:10 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 12:12:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <5956aaa68ddavesound@btinternet.com>
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Never had a Minor myself but readily understand the enthusiasm of others. 
Attached photo of a Minor line-up I chanced upon in Exchequer Gate, Lincoln 
in September 2014. No idea what it was all about. Had gone there to research 
at the Lincolnshire Family History Society but it would have been worth 
going anyway as things turned out. We had a long prior booked B & B 
overlooking the magnificent Cathedral and our few days coincidentally 
included University Graduation day and also the UK's largest Steam Punk 
festival which was fantastic. All in glorious weather. Lincoln has perhaps 
the most aptly named street in the country - 'Steep Hill' and boy, do they 
mean steep! We also became addicted to the not previously encountered 
Lincolnshire Plum Bread and brought adequate (we thought!) supplies home 
with us. You can get it by post though.

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 11:18 AM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored

The last version of the Minor had different tail and fronts with amber
sectors for the flashers. They could be retro fitted easily - if still
available. I'd not consider using a car daily still fitted with
trafficators. They were easily missed even when the norm.  Not sure if the
Minor went to white and red flashers, though, as many UK cars did for a
while.

Up to the owner if he likes his new headlights. They likely work rather
better as headlights too, given the pathetic ones fitted originally. And
it is an easily reversed mod.

The Minor is hardly an incredibly rare car where originality must be
preserved at all costs. Many will have had the later Marina engine fitted,
and disc brakes at the front too.


In article <14A4E532-C79A-49F0-8FB0-20F6DE570E11 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous 
> condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the 
> chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight 
> for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done 
> at the back.

> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a 
> moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had 
> trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t 
> know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate 
> for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention 
> to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.

> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have 
> indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?

> Alan Taylor
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  4 06:23:13 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 12:23:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 04 August 2021 11:26
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored

Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
will run on E10.

The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.

But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
year, yet still manage to run old cars.  




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  4 06:38:56 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 12:38:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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I think the title of steepest hill must go to that one in Shaftesbury, is it, used for the Hovis ad?
Been there, near Shaftesbury, as coming off a Bond movie, my next job was for Thames ? Sooty on Location!
Actually that was a very pleasant shoot, 1976 being an incredibly hot summer, and the house owner of the garden that was our main ?set? invited us to use the swimming pool after work ? don?t bother to knock, just come in!
Pat

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 04 August 2021 12:12
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Lincoln has perhaps the most aptly named street in the country - 'Steep Hill' and boy, do they 
mean steep! 

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Aug  4 06:42:13 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 12:42:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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My first car was a MM!  It was bright yellow with flashing rear brake lights (as in USA) as they hadn't redesigned the lamp cluster to take in the replacement of the fip up indicators (well at least that meant one didn't have to put arm out of window to signal turning right and arm out with rotating hand to signal turning left)
I had been going to and fro with another to WN on TA22 previously in his black MM which was a split screen one - that leaked so that in rain water flowed into the dashboard radio making it go off-tune.
I later had to replace the rusty wings on mine with plastic ones so that since they were lighter than metal, it "sat up" at the front like the old French ones (Renaults?)

My neighbour has 3 MMs. A beautiful old shiny paint black one with new red leather seats, a day use silver one and a rebuilt ex-police blue "family potting shed" one in the garage.

I am sure I couldn?t drive his nowadays with clutches etc but at least the knob with bit of wire attached through the dashboard to pull the starter contactor was reliable!

Then moved to a Mini and couldn?t find how to get the starting handle into the end of the engine as the front n/s wheel was in the way.

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed Aug  4 06:03:16 2021
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2021 12:03:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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My Dad had a Minor, 1960 built, with semaphore indicators, and I remember we got a kit to change to flashers? (and to blank off the slots in the sides) - this would have been about 1963 or 64.Oh, and I learnt to drive in a Herald - passed first time! (somehow .....)Those were the days!Best wishes? .....? VernSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 04/08/2021  00:05  (GMT+00:00) To: Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> Cc: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored I?m not a Moggy Minor specialist - more of an interested onlooker- I remember the earlier models had the split windscreen and semaphore arms on the door B posts just below roof height. The later production cars had separate Lucas indicators both front & rear - latest Minor I saw was, I think?,? registered on a K reg - 1971/2.? Post office vans went on later than this because of how the GPO bought & stored vehicles.Anyway, there are two schools of thought: If you?re a purist & concourse exhibitor wanting everything original and exactly as it should be - perhaps you spend all your spare time looking for rare & original parts and you live & breathe Morris Minors, then the retro fitting or modifications like you mention would obviously be a very big No!?? Indicators inside a headlight unit (or closely positioned next to it) aren?t very visible at night because of the glare of the headlight and could be dangerous - a design fault of a number of modern cars.Or, on the other hand, if you are one of those who ?drives? your classic car to work and on corrosive salty roads in the winter, you pull a huge Ifor Williams trailer, your car has been sprayed the shade of metallic orange Pearl-effect two pack paint the wife liked best (instead than the original gloss black) and every bolt has been replaced with extra long stainless steel metric instead of the original UNF threads, you?ve powder coated every part in black gloss exaggerating the appearance all the previous rust pitting & corrosion, you?ve lost the original registration number and you have binned the original Dunlop cross-ply tyres and fitted it with Pirelli radials onto wide alloy wheels onto lowered suspension?then you may as well go ahead and fit an LED into every orifice you can find.? (Apologies if this sounds all too familiar)Unless maybe the LED mods you mention are just a clip-on easily fitted & removed item for those wanting safety if their cars are only fitted with semaphore trafficators - in which case I might possibly be able to forgive any such owner - well, just on this one occasion?Hard to believe that the Morris empire has been lost forever.? Sad.Steve> On 3 Aug 2021, at 22:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:> > ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.? It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.? It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.> > My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.> > What do you folks think?? Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?> > Alan Taylor> -- > Tech1 mailing list> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Aug  4 07:34:48 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 13:34:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Hi Pat,

I wasn?t entering Lincolns ?Steep Hill? as the steepest, just the most aptly named. Shaftesbury?s gem is of course Gold Hill and I believe is about 16% gradient whereas Lincoln?s contender is about 14% and recognised as 4th in the steepest rankings. However if your B & B is at the top and your evening meal is in the Italian at the bottom, the difference on your walk home becomes a bit academic! These are part of that return journey






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From: patheigham 
Sent: Wednesday, August 4, 2021 12:38 PM
To: David Newbitt ; Dave Plowman ; tech1 
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Car restored

I think the title of steepest hill must go to that one in Shaftesbury, is it, used for the Hovis ad?

Been there, near Shaftesbury, as coming off a Bond movie, my next job was for Thames ? Sooty on Location!

Actually that was a very pleasant shoot, 1976 being an incredibly hot summer, and the house owner of the garden that was our main ?set? invited us to use the swimming pool after work ? don?t bother to knock, just come in!

Pat

 

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Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
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Lincoln has perhaps the most aptly named street in the country - 'Steep Hill' and boy, do they 

mean steep! 

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  4 07:55:54 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 13:55:54 +0100
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Point taken, Dave. I wasn?t about to challenge you!
Pat
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From: David Newbitt
Sent: 04 August 2021 13:34
To: Dave Plowman; tech1; patheigham
Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored

Hi Pat,
?
I wasn?t entering Lincolns ?Steep Hill? as the steepest, just the most aptly named. Shaftesbury?s gem is of course Gold Hill and I believe is about 16% gradient whereas Lincoln?s contender is about 14% and recognised as 4th in the steepest rankings. However if your B & B is at the top and your evening meal is in the Italian at the bottom, the difference on your walk home becomes a bit academic! 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Aug  4 08:21:58 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 14:21:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Actually early Trabis had a two cylinder, two stroke, air cooled engine, although more recent ones had other engine variants.  Part of the visible pollution from them could be attributed to the 3%of oil mixed into the petrol. The rest of the pollution was because the engine was rubbish.

Janet?s mum had a Trabi and hated it at the time ( there were no alternatives available ) but is quite nostalgic about them these days.  Janet left East Germany and fled to the west on the day before the wall came down.  By that time her mother had moved upmarket to a Lada.

Trabis had all sorts of weirdness about them.  The bodywork was made of a strange plastic material filled with cotton, a bit like Paxolin.  One of the few advantages of it is that it doesn?t rust, but everything else on the car does rust. It also had a ridiculously small fuel tank, I believe it was less than 25 litres, but as the car was rather thirsty, it wasn?t a good combination, made worse by early models not having a fuel gauge, just a dip stick arrangement.  There was no fuel pump, the petrol reached the carburettor by gravity feed, so the petrol tank was over the engine inside the bonnet.  Checking the dipstick for fuel level was quite scary on a long run because you wouldn?t want drips of petrol to fall onto the hot engine. Filling the tank was even scarier because you could spill even more fuel onto the hot engine. Most Trabants got fitted with a small fire extinguisher, even if they had few other modern safety features. 

Some say that the art of elegant design is to remove unnecessary clutter so that what remains is the fundamental essence of the design.  With the Trabant, I think they removed a few too many bits and at no stage in the process was it ever elegant.  Early models lacked indicators and odometers.  When they did get round to fitting indicators, the switch wasn?t self cancelling and there was no repeater light on the dashboard, so Trabants were often seen driven with the  indicators flashing for miles and miles. Maybe the mention of a dashboard implied a level of sophistication which was unintended.  The original dashboard was just a panel with a speedometer mounted on it, no other gauges or indicators. In many cases, no switches either.

I did once see a brave soul driving a Trabant along an Autobahn near K?ln.  With a top speed of around 60 mph and brakes which were more of a concept than a realistic stopping device, it was unsettling to see it sharing a road with cars doing 120-150 mph. 

Alan Taylor



> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
> It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
> He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
> A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
> Pat
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> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 04 August 2021 11:26
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored
>  
> Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
> will run on E10.
>  
> The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
> Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
> anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.
>  
> But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
> year, yet still manage to run old cars. 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 08:49:39 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 14:49:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored - Halfway Garage
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Hi all,

On 04/08/2021 09:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> The other side of Newbury, near Theale, there was ( and probably still is ) a garage called the Half Way garage. It specialised in restoring classic cars.

When I left the BBC and went to College, my vacation job each year was 
at that very same Halfway Garage - it is still there, but now just a 
petrol station.? So from 1968 to 1971 - ish I did lots of menial jobs on 
classic cars!? (Although my first job was, of course,? to sweep the 
workshop!!).

There was the petrol station which included the vintage car showroom: 
behind that there was the main workshop, and over towards the Reading 
side - towards Mac's Caff - there was a properly equipped machine shop - 
decent lathe and pillar drill and so on.

We had turn of the century Daimlers and Rolls-Royces in the showroom - 
even one day there was the chassis of a Stanley Steam Car.. The rumour 
was that the owner of the Halfway Garage had to sell only one car a year 
to stay in business!

The workshop, of course, serviced these vintage and veteran cars before 
sale.? One regular job was to remove the Spirit of Ecstasy from a Rolls 
Royce, put in a new filler tube run (filled from under the bonnet) and 
then pin the Sprit of Ecstasy back in place - if this was not done, the 
Spirit of ecstasy would soon get nicked.

My first encounter with a left-hand thread was on the wheels of a 
vintage Rolls Royce.? On the off-side, the wheel was secured to the axle 
with a sort of wing-nut, conventionally threaded. On the near-side, this 
wing-nut had a left-hand thread. Immediately behind the wingnut and 
washer there was a vicious spring, which could travel the length of the 
workshop if you took the nut off too quickly ... yes, yes, it happened.? 
BTW no trafficators, but one of the early Daimlers did have a huge 
curled horn with a rubber squeeze bulb to operate.it.

The garage also specialised in any of the "EXOTIC" cars in the 
neighbourhood - like Ferraris:? one came in one day and I was told to 
change the plugs.? It basically took all day, as there were a large 
number of plugs (??16??), all pointing up at an angle along the side of 
the block - and very difficult to get any sort of plug spanner onto them.

One day a car came in which had had a rear end shunt, so the floor of 
the boot was mangled.? Again, this was an exotic car - so exotic that I 
can't remember who built it!! - but there was no chance of getting any 
spare parts for it.? We made suitable replacement parts for the boot, 
but we needed two special bolts for it - part threaded, part plain 
shaft.? I was given the job, so I used tie workshop to turn this long 
bolt - some? 6 inches long - to size, and then created the thread.

So you can see, working at the Halfway Garage was an education in its 
own right!!


Best regards, Keep safe

Alec

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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed Aug  4 12:05:50 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 18:05:50 +0100
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I once drove at night from Munich to Berlin.
Just before the wall came down.
All the Trabis were in the slow lane smoking like belching chimneys
The fast lane was full of Mercs and Beamers flat-out?
When a tired Trabi tried to pull out carnage ensued.
Later on ,on the same job , History of the CIA but in Havana , we realised all the classic 40s and 50s classic Yank  cars  Had been re-engined with Trabi 2 strokes.
Lovely cars ,shame about the motor.
Roger


> On 4 Aug 2021, at 14:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Actually early Trabis had a two cylinder, two stroke, air cooled engine, although more recent ones had other engine variants.  Part of the visible pollution from them could be attributed to the 3%of oil mixed into the petrol. The rest of the pollution was because the engine was rubbish.
> 
> Janet?s mum had a Trabi and hated it at the time ( there were no alternatives available ) but is quite nostalgic about them these days.  Janet left East Germany and fled to the west on the day before the wall came down.  By that time her mother had moved upmarket to a Lada.
> 
> Trabis had all sorts of weirdness about them.  The bodywork was made of a strange plastic material filled with cotton, a bit like Paxolin.  One of the few advantages of it is that it doesn?t rust, but everything else on the car does rust. It also had a ridiculously small fuel tank, I believe it was less than 25 litres, but as the car was rather thirsty, it wasn?t a good combination, made worse by early models not having a fuel gauge, just a dip stick arrangement.  There was no fuel pump, the petrol reached the carburettor by gravity feed, so the petrol tank was over the engine inside the bonnet.  Checking the dipstick for fuel level was quite scary on a long run because you wouldn?t want drips of petrol to fall onto the hot engine. Filling the tank was even scarier because you could spill even more fuel onto the hot engine. Most Trabants got fitted with a small fire extinguisher, even if they had few other modern safety features. 
> 
> Some say that the art of elegant design is to remove unnecessary clutter so that what remains is the fundamental essence of the design.  With the Trabant, I think they removed a few too many bits and at no stage in the process was it ever elegant.  Early models lacked indicators and odometers.  When they did get round to fitting indicators, the switch wasn?t self cancelling and there was no repeater light on the dashboard, so Trabants were often seen driven with the  indicators flashing for miles and miles. Maybe the mention of a dashboard implied a level of sophistication which was unintended.  The original dashboard was just a panel with a speedometer mounted on it, no other gauges or indicators. In many cases, no switches either.
> 
> I did once see a brave soul driving a Trabant along an Autobahn near K?ln.  With a top speed of around 60 mph and brakes which were more of a concept than a realistic stopping device, it was unsettling to see it sharing a road with cars doing 120-150 mph. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
>> It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
>> He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
>> A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
>> Pat
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>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored
>>  
>> Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
>> will run on E10.
>>  
>> The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
>> Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
>> anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.
>>  
>> But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
>> year, yet still manage to run old cars.  
>>  
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Aug  4 12:56:51 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 18:56:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Just trying to imagine the performance of a heavy American car powered by a Trabi engine. If it were a taxi, you might be quicker walking.

Trabi owners often considered swapping a different engine into their car because almost anything has to be better, but when they try to do it, they discover that air cooled engines don?t have radiators and a Trabi doesn?t have an obvious space to fit one. It has been done, but it?s not a trivial task.

It always amazes me how well autobahns work in Germany.  On the face of it, having a Porsche hurtling down the road at 150mph with a lorry ahead sounds like a way to get a steady supply of organ donors for the krankenhaus, but drivers are pretty disciplined and promptly move over after passing. It?s extremely rare to find a German driver pootling along in the middle lane. I feel safer at high speed on autobahns with other cars bearing down on me at a great rate of knots than I do at 70 on most British motorways. 

Alan Taylor

> On 4 Aug 2021, at 18:05, Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I once drove at night from Munich to Berlin.
> Just before the wall came down.
> All the Trabis were in the slow lane smoking like belching chimneys
> The fast lane was full of Mercs and Beamers flat-out?
> When a tired Trabi tried to pull out carnage ensued.
> Later on ,on the same job , History of the CIA but in Havana , we realised all the classic 40s and 50s classic Yank  cars  Had been re-engined with Trabi 2 strokes.
> Lovely cars ,shame about the motor.
> Roger


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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 18:22:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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I actually have a piece of the Berlin Wall. Hacked out for me long before the wall came down by Emma Freud - so two reasons to treasure it!

Pat, I?ve known you for around sixty years, but I never had you down as a grease monkey!
My memory of sitting on the Herald and Spitfire front wheel was with Dicky Chamberlain sitting on the other wheel. Clutch replacement - simple. MHRIP.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 4 Aug 2021, at 18:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I once drove at night from Munich to Berlin.
Just before the wall came down.
All the Trabis were in the slow lane smoking like belching chimneys
The fast lane was full of Mercs and Beamers flat-out?
When a tired Trabi tried to pull out carnage ensued.
Later on ,on the same job , History of the CIA but in Havana , we realised all the classic 40s and 50s classic Yank  cars  Had been re-engined with Trabi 2 strokes.
Lovely cars ,shame about the motor.
Roger


On 4 Aug 2021, at 14:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Actually early Trabis had a two cylinder, two stroke, air cooled engine, although more recent ones had other engine variants.  Part of the visible pollution from them could be attributed to the 3%of oil mixed into the petrol. The rest of the pollution was because the engine was rubbish.

Janet?s mum had a Trabi and hated it at the time ( there were no alternatives available ) but is quite nostalgic about them these days.  Janet left East Germany and fled to the west on the day before the wall came down.  By that time her mother had moved upmarket to a Lada.

Trabis had all sorts of weirdness about them.  The bodywork was made of a strange plastic material filled with cotton, a bit like Paxolin.  One of the few advantages of it is that it doesn?t rust, but everything else on the car does rust. It also had a ridiculously small fuel tank, I believe it was less than 25 litres, but as the car was rather thirsty, it wasn?t a good combination, made worse by early models not having a fuel gauge, just a dip stick arrangement.  There was no fuel pump, the petrol reached the carburettor by gravity feed, so the petrol tank was over the engine inside the bonnet.  Checking the dipstick for fuel level was quite scary on a long run because you wouldn?t want drips of petrol to fall onto the hot engine. Filling the tank was even scarier because you could spill even more fuel onto the hot engine. Most Trabants got fitted with a small fire extinguisher, even if they had few other modern safety features.

Some say that the art of elegant design is to remove unnecessary clutter so that what remains is the fundamental essence of the design.  With the Trabant, I think they removed a few too many bits and at no stage in the process was it ever elegant.  Early models lacked indicators and odometers.  When they did get round to fitting indicators, the switch wasn?t self cancelling and there was no repeater light on the dashboard, so Trabants were often seen driven with the  indicators flashing for miles and miles. Maybe the mention of a dashboard implied a level of sophistication which was unintended.  The original dashboard was just a panel with a speedometer mounted on it, no other gauges or indicators. In many cases, no switches either.

I did once see a brave soul driving a Trabant along an Autobahn near K?ln.  With a top speed of around 60 mph and brakes which were more of a concept than a realistic stopping device, it was unsettling to see it sharing a road with cars doing 120-150 mph.

Alan Taylor



On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?
When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
Pat

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Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
will run on E10.

The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.

But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
year, yet still manage to run old cars.




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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed Aug  4 13:40:04 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 19:40:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Yet another Herald driver, and I followed up with a Vitesse drop-head, the 1600 version.

Both were designed by Michelotti, and the Vitesse was wonderful until the floor rusted through.

At one stage it wouldn't go into reverse, and our upstairs neighbour turned out to be in the service section  in the old Western Avenue showroom/service centre which was very handy...

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 4 Aug 2021, at 19:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I actually have a piece of the Berlin Wall. Hacked out for me long before the wall came down by Emma Freud - so two reasons to treasure it!
> 
> Pat, I?ve known you for around sixty years, but I never had you down as a grease monkey!
> My memory of sitting on the Herald and Spitfire front wheel was with Dicky Chamberlain sitting on the other wheel. Clutch replacement - simple. MHRIP.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 18:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? I once drove at night from Munich to Berlin.
>> Just before the wall came down.
>> All the Trabis were in the slow lane smoking like belching chimneys
>> The fast lane was full of Mercs and Beamers flat-out?
>> When a tired Trabi tried to pull out carnage ensued.
>> Later on ,on the same job , History of the CIA but in Havana , we realised all the classic 40s and 50s classic Yank  cars  Had been re-engined with Trabi 2 strokes.
>> Lovely cars ,shame about the motor.
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 14:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually early Trabis had a two cylinder, two stroke, air cooled engine, although more recent ones had other engine variants.  Part of the visible pollution from them could be attributed to the 3%of oil mixed into the petrol. The rest of the pollution was because the engine was rubbish.
>>> 
>>> Janet?s mum had a Trabi and hated it at the time ( there were no alternatives available ) but is quite nostalgic about them these days.  Janet left East Germany and fled to the west on the day before the wall came down.  By that time her mother had moved upmarket to a Lada.
>>> 
>>> Trabis had all sorts of weirdness about them.  The bodywork was made of a strange plastic material filled with cotton, a bit like Paxolin.  One of the few advantages of it is that it doesn?t rust, but everything else on the car does rust. It also had a ridiculously small fuel tank, I believe it was less than 25 litres, but as the car was rather thirsty, it wasn?t a good combination, made worse by early models not having a fuel gauge, just a dip stick arrangement.  There was no fuel pump, the petrol reached the carburettor by gravity feed, so the petrol tank was over the engine inside the bonnet.  Checking the dipstick for fuel level was quite scary on a long run because you wouldn?t want drips of petrol to fall onto the hot engine. Filling the tank was even scarier because you could spill even more fuel onto the hot engine. Most Trabants got fitted with a small fire extinguisher, even if they had few other modern safety features. 
>>> 
>>> Some say that the art of elegant design is to remove unnecessary clutter so that what remains is the fundamental essence of the design.  With the Trabant, I think they removed a few too many bits and at no stage in the process was it ever elegant.  Early models lacked indicators and odometers.  When they did get round to fitting indicators, the switch wasn?t self cancelling and there was no repeater light on the dashboard, so Trabants were often seen driven with the  indicators flashing for miles and miles. Maybe the mention of a dashboard implied a level of sophistication which was unintended.  The original dashboard was just a panel with a speedometer mounted on it, no other gauges or indicators. In many cases, no switches either.
>>> 
>>> I did once see a brave soul driving a Trabant along an Autobahn near K?ln.  With a top speed of around 60 mph and brakes which were more of a concept than a realistic stopping device, it was unsettling to see it sharing a road with cars doing 120-150 mph. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
>>>> It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
>>>> He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
>>>> A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
>>>> Pat
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>>>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 04 August 2021 11:26
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored
>>>>  
>>>> Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
>>>> will run on E10.
>>>>  
>>>> The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
>>>> Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
>>>> anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.
>>>>  
>>>> But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
>>>> year, yet still manage to run old cars.  
>>>>  
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Gosh, late getting to this thread (again - I don't live on computers/email) but I simply loved my Triumph Herald, which of course rusted away after I'd had t about a year -can't remember who sold it to me, but someone at TVC did, if the guilty party is here, you broke my heart!

My first car was an A30, which ran its big end on the M1, and took me and Dave Jorgensen quite some time to restore to working order. However, it took Heather and myself, after we were married, to many exotic locations such as the Tally Ho in Kentish Town at the weekends to listen to Phil Seamen, and down several pints of Guinness, just as well that the drink/drive laws hadn't been enacted at the time.

Whilst on the subject, my all-time favourite car was the Ford Granada, when I was earning a reasonable amount I had the 2.8i Ghia, and that really grieved me when I had to part with it, but I had nowhere to keep it, not to mention not enough money to run two cars. The Herald ran it a close second, but the Granny lasted a lot longer.

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On Wednesday, August 4th, 2021 at 19:40, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Yet another Herald driver, and I followed up with a Vitesse drop-head, the 1600 version.
>
> Both were designed by Michelotti, and the Vitesse was wonderful until the floor rusted through.
>
> At one stage it wouldn't go into reverse, and our upstairs neighbour turned out to be in the service section in the old Western Avenue showroom/service centre which was very handy...
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 19:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ? I actually have a piece of the Berlin Wall. Hacked out for me long before the wall came down by Emma Freud - so two reasons to treasure it!
>>
>> Pat, I?ve known you for around sixty years, but I never had you down as a grease monkey!
>> My memory of sitting on the Herald and Spitfire front wheel was with Dicky Chamberlain sitting on the other wheel. Clutch replacement - simple. MHRIP.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 18:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> ? I once drove at night from Munich to Berlin.
>>> Just before the wall came down.
>>> All the Trabis were in the slow lane smoking like belching chimneys
>>> The fast lane was full of Mercs and Beamers flat-out?
>>> When a tired Trabi tried to pull out carnage ensued.
>>> Later on ,on the same job , History of the CIA but in Havana , we realised all the classic 40s and 50s classic Yank cars Had been re-engined with Trabi 2 strokes.
>>> Lovely cars ,shame about the motor.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 14:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually early Trabis had a two cylinder, two stroke, air cooled engine, although more recent ones had other engine variants. Part of the visible pollution from them could be attributed to the 3%of oil mixed into the petrol. The rest of the pollution was because the engine was rubbish.
>>>>
>>>> Janet?s mum had a Trabi and hated it at the time ( there were no alternatives available ) but is quite nostalgic about them these days. Janet left East Germany and fled to the west on the day before the wall came down. By that time her mother had moved upmarket to a Lada.
>>>>
>>>> Trabis had all sorts of weirdness about them. The bodywork was made of a strange plastic material filled with cotton, a bit like Paxolin. One of the few advantages of it is that it doesn?t rust, but everything else on the car does rust. It also had a ridiculously small fuel tank, I believe it was less than 25 litres, but as the car was rather thirsty, it wasn?t a good combination, made worse by early models not having a fuel gauge, just a dip stick arrangement. There was no fuel pump, the petrol reached the carburettor by gravity feed, so the petrol tank was over the engine inside the bonnet. Checking the dipstick for fuel level was quite scary on a long run because you wouldn?t want drips of petrol to fall onto the hot engine. Filling the tank was even scarier because you could spill even more fuel onto the hot engine. Most Trabants got fitted with a small fire extinguisher, even if they had few other modern safety features.
>>>>
>>>> Some say that the art of elegant design is to remove unnecessary clutter so that what remains is the fundamental essence of the design. With the Trabant, I think they removed a few too many bits and at no stage in the process was it ever elegant. Early models lacked indicators and odometers. When they did get round to fitting indicators, the switch wasn?t self cancelling and there was no repeater light on the dashboard, so Trabants were often seen driven with the indicators flashing for miles and miles. Maybe the mention of a dashboard implied a level of sophistication which was unintended. The original dashboard was just a panel with a speedometer mounted on it, no other gauges or indicators. In many cases, no switches either.
>>>>
>>>> I did once see a brave soul driving a Trabant along an Autobahn near K?ln. With a top speed of around 60 mph and brakes which were more of a concept than a realistic stopping device, it was unsettling to see it sharing a road with cars doing 120-150 mph.
>>>>
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>
>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
>>>>> It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
>>>>> He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
>>>>> A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
>>>>> Pat
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>>>>> Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
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>>>>> Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
>>>>> anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.
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From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 22:03:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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?Aha! The Granada 2.8i Ghia. Mine was a bright red Estate. Bought for a bargain end of lease purchase price ex-Redapple, only two years old when I got it. Absolutely fabulous car, and it ran better and smoother the faster you went!
Two little incidents involving the Granny. First one, coming out on the M4 towards the M25 on my way home from an LWT late finish (well tipsy). At the time, the motorway police used Granadas too, and on the M4 I suddenly became aware of a white police Granada alongside me. Glanced down at the speedo: just over 105 mph. Oh shit, I thought. The cop in the left seat gesticulated me to wind the window down. Window controls between the front seats, you?ll remember. Cop grinned at me and called out ?Go well, don?t they!? And off they sped into the distance as I peeled off onto the M25. Phew!
Second: we were doing the Crufts Pedigree Chum commercial at B?ham NEC. At about 7PM on the middle of three days I got a panic call from my wife saying she?d gone into labour a week early and was now in the Royal Surrey County Hospital labour ward. I rushed out to the Granada and sped off down the newly opened M40. No traffic, no cops, (I don?t think many people knew it was open) so foot hard down, the Granny cruised as if airborne, topping 110+MPH much of the way. I got there literally just in the nick (!) of time to see daughter Ellie come into the World (she?s 28 now). Then back at NEC in time for breakfast. When I told everyone where I?d been overnight, our Producer/Director, Johnny Fielder, said ?Oh, you needn?t have hurried back, we?d have covered for you?. Happy days.
Cheers,
Nick.
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On 4 Aug 2021, at 20:29, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Gosh, late getting to this thread (again - I don't live on computers/email) but I simply loved my Triumph Herald, which of course rusted away after I'd had t about a year -can't remember who sold it to me, but someone at TVC did, if the guilty party is here, you broke my heart!

My first car was an A30, which ran its big end on the M1, and took me and Dave Jorgensen quite some time to restore to working order. However, it took Heather and myself, after we were married, to many exotic locations such as the Tally Ho in Kentish Town at the weekends to listen to Phil Seamen, and down several pints of Guinness, just as well that the drink/drive laws hadn't been enacted at the time.

Whilst on the subject, my all-time favourite car was the Ford Granada, when I was earning a reasonable amount I had the 2.8i Ghia, and that really grieved me when I had to part with it, but I had nowhere to keep it, not to mention not enough money to run two cars. The Herald ran it a close second, but the Granny lasted a lot longer.

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On Wednesday, August 4th, 2021 at 19:40, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Yet another Herald driver, and I followed up with a Vitesse drop-head, the 1600 version.

Both were designed by Michelotti, and the Vitesse was wonderful until the floor rusted through.

At one stage it wouldn't go into reverse, and our upstairs neighbour turned out to be in the service section  in the old Western Avenue showroom/service centre which was very handy...

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



On 4 Aug 2021, at 19:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I actually have a piece of the Berlin Wall. Hacked out for me long before the wall came down by Emma Freud - so two reasons to treasure it!

Pat, I?ve known you for around sixty years, but I never had you down as a grease monkey!
My memory of sitting on the Herald and Spitfire front wheel was with Dicky Chamberlain sitting on the other wheel. Clutch replacement - simple. MHRIP.
Cheers,
Nick.
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On 4 Aug 2021, at 18:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I once drove at night from Munich to Berlin.
Just before the wall came down.
All the Trabis were in the slow lane smoking like belching chimneys
The fast lane was full of Mercs and Beamers flat-out?
When a tired Trabi tried to pull out carnage ensued.
Later on ,on the same job , History of the CIA but in Havana , we realised all the classic 40s and 50s classic Yank  cars  Had been re-engined with Trabi 2 strokes.
Lovely cars ,shame about the motor.
Roger


On 4 Aug 2021, at 14:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Actually early Trabis had a two cylinder, two stroke, air cooled engine, although more recent ones had other engine variants.  Part of the visible pollution from them could be attributed to the 3%of oil mixed into the petrol. The rest of the pollution was because the engine was rubbish.

Janet?s mum had a Trabi and hated it at the time ( there were no alternatives available ) but is quite nostalgic about them these days.  Janet left East Germany and fled to the west on the day before the wall came down.  By that time her mother had moved upmarket to a Lada.

Trabis had all sorts of weirdness about them.  The bodywork was made of a strange plastic material filled with cotton, a bit like Paxolin.  One of the few advantages of it is that it doesn?t rust, but everything else on the car does rust. It also had a ridiculously small fuel tank, I believe it was less than 25 litres, but as the car was rather thirsty, it wasn?t a good combination, made worse by early models not having a fuel gauge, just a dip stick arrangement.  There was no fuel pump, the petrol reached the carburettor by gravity feed, so the petrol tank was over the engine inside the bonnet.  Checking the dipstick for fuel level was quite scary on a long run because you wouldn?t want drips of petrol to fall onto the hot engine. Filling the tank was even scarier because you could spill even more fuel onto the hot engine. Most Trabants got fitted with a small fire extinguisher, even if they had few other modern safety features.

Some say that the art of elegant design is to remove unnecessary clutter so that what remains is the fundamental essence of the design.  With the Trabant, I think they removed a few too many bits and at no stage in the process was it ever elegant.  Early models lacked indicators and odometers.  When they did get round to fitting indicators, the switch wasn?t self cancelling and there was no repeater light on the dashboard, so Trabants were often seen driven with the  indicators flashing for miles and miles. Maybe the mention of a dashboard implied a level of sophistication which was unintended.  The original dashboard was just a panel with a speedometer mounted on it, no other gauges or indicators. In many cases, no switches either.

I did once see a brave soul driving a Trabant along an Autobahn near K?ln.  With a top speed of around 60 mph and brakes which were more of a concept than a realistic stopping device, it was unsettling to see it sharing a road with cars doing 120-150 mph.

Alan Taylor



On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?
When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
Pat

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Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
will run on E10.

The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.

But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
year, yet still manage to run old cars.




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Dave Jorgensen and I bought a Morris Minor convertable with a split windscreen when we shared a flat in Ealing. We sol dit 18 months later for what we had paid for it!.  After that, I bought a frog eye Sprite from Chequered Flag. Loved that little car. Ian Stanyon was my go to mechanic when things went wrong - there wasn?t much he couldn?t fix. He was always going to build a Ginetta but never got around to it as far as I know. I let Dave use the Sprite whenever he needed transport, and we also did many a mile together in it going down to stay with his parents in the West Country or up to Shropshire to stay with mine + trips to N Wales. Eventually, I met  the girl who became my first wife, Carole, and she displaced Dave as my regular passenger!!

Geoff F





> On 4 Aug 2021, at 23:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Aha! The Granada 2.8i Ghia. Mine was a bright red Estate. Bought for a bargain end of lease purchase price ex-Redapple, only two years old when I got it. Absolutely fabulous car, and it ran better and smoother the faster you went!
> Two little incidents involving the Granny. First one, coming out on the M4 towards the M25 on my way home from an LWT late finish (well tipsy). At the time, the motorway police used Granadas too, and on the M4 I suddenly became aware of a white police Granada alongside me. Glanced down at the speedo: just over 105 mph. Oh shit, I thought. The cop in the left seat gesticulated me to wind the window down. Window controls between the front seats, you?ll remember. Cop grinned at me and called out ?Go well, don?t they!? And off they sped into the distance as I peeled off onto the M25. Phew!
> Second: we were doing the Crufts Pedigree Chum commercial at B?ham NEC. At about 7PM on the middle of three days I got a panic call from my wife saying she?d gone into labour a week early and was now in the Royal Surrey County Hospital labour ward. I rushed out to the Granada and sped off down the newly opened M40. No traffic, no cops, (I don?t think many people knew it was open) so foot hard down, the Granny cruised as if airborne, topping 110+MPH much of the way. I got there literally just in the nick (!) of time to see daughter Ellie come into the World (she?s 28 now). Then back at NEC in time for breakfast. When I told everyone where I?d been overnight, our Producer/Director, Johnny Fielder, said ?Oh, you needn?t have hurried back, we?d have covered for you?. Happy days.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 20:29, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Gosh, late getting to this thread (again - I don't live on computers/email) but I simply loved my Triumph Herald, which of course rusted away after I'd had t about a year -can't remember who sold it to me, but someone at TVC did, if the guilty party is here, you broke my heart!
>> 
>> My first car was an A30, which ran its big end on the M1, and took me and Dave Jorgensen quite some time to restore to working order. However, it took Heather and myself, after we were married, to many exotic locations such as the Tally Ho in Kentish Town at the weekends to listen to Phil Seamen, and down several pints of Guinness, just as well that the drink/drive laws hadn't been enacted at the time.
>> 
>> Whilst on the subject, my all-time favourite car was the Ford Granada, when I was earning a reasonable amount I had the 2.8i Ghia, and that really grieved me when I had to part with it, but I had nowhere to keep it, not to mention not enough money to run two cars. The Herald ran it a close second, but the Granny lasted a lot longer.
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> 
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>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Wednesday, August 4th, 2021 at 19:40, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Yet another Herald driver, and I followed up with a Vitesse drop-head, the 1600 version.
>>> 
>>> Both were designed by Michelotti, and the Vitesse was wonderful until the floor rusted through.
>>> 
>>> At one stage it wouldn't go into reverse, and our upstairs neighbour turned out to be in the service section  in the old Western Avenue showroom/service centre which was very handy...
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 19:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? I actually have a piece of the Berlin Wall. Hacked out for me long before the wall came down by Emma Freud - so two reasons to treasure it!
>>>> 
>>>> Pat, I?ve known you for around sixty years, but I never had you down as a grease monkey!
>>>> My memory of sitting on the Herald and Spitfire front wheel was with Dicky Chamberlain sitting on the other wheel. Clutch replacement - simple. MHRIP.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 18:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ? I once drove at night from Munich to Berlin.
>>>>> Just before the wall came down.
>>>>> All the Trabis were in the slow lane smoking like belching chimneys
>>>>> The fast lane was full of Mercs and Beamers flat-out?
>>>>> When a tired Trabi tried to pull out carnage ensued.
>>>>> Later on ,on the same job , History of the CIA but in Havana , we realised all the classic 40s and 50s classic Yank  cars  Had been re-engined with Trabi 2 strokes.
>>>>> Lovely cars ,shame about the motor.
>>>>> Roger
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 14:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Actually early Trabis had a two cylinder, two stroke, air cooled engine, although more recent ones had other engine variants.  Part of the visible pollution from them could be attributed to the 3%of oil mixed into the petrol. The rest of the pollution was because the engine was rubbish.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Janet?s mum had a Trabi and hated it at the time ( there were no alternatives available ) but is quite nostalgic about them these days.  Janet left East Germany and fled to the west on the day before the wall came down.  By that time her mother had moved upmarket to a Lada.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Trabis had all sorts of weirdness about them.  The bodywork was made of a strange plastic material filled with cotton, a bit like Paxolin.  One of the few advantages of it is that it doesn?t rust, but everything else on the car does rust. It also had a ridiculously small fuel tank, I believe it was less than 25 litres, but as the car was rather thirsty, it wasn?t a good combination, made worse by early models not having a fuel gauge, just a dip stick arrangement.  There was no fuel pump, the petrol reached the carburettor by gravity feed, so the petrol tank was over the engine inside the bonnet.  Checking the dipstick for fuel level was quite scary on a long run because you wouldn?t want drips of petrol to fall onto the hot engine. Filling the tank was even scarier because you could spill even more fuel onto the hot engine. Most Trabants got fitted with a small fire extinguisher, even if they had few other modern safety features. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some say that the art of elegant design is to remove unnecessary clutter so that what remains is the fundamental essence of the design.  With the Trabant, I think they removed a few too many bits and at no stage in the process was it ever elegant.  Early models lacked indicators and odometers.  When they did get round to fitting indicators, the switch wasn?t self cancelling and there was no repeater light on the dashboard, so Trabants were often seen driven with the  indicators flashing for miles and miles. Maybe the mention of a dashboard implied a level of sophistication which was unintended.  The original dashboard was just a panel with a speedometer mounted on it, no other gauges or indicators. In many cases, no switches either.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I did once see a brave soul driving a Trabant along an Autobahn near K?ln.  With a top speed of around 60 mph and brakes which were more of a concept than a realistic stopping device, it was unsettling to see it sharing a road with cars doing 120-150 mph. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 4 Aug 2021, at 12:23, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> When I was on a job to the former GDR, before the wall came down, we were appalled at the pollution emitted by the Trabant vehicles. Think these were 3-cylinder?
>>>>>>> It was eye-opening to our East German hosts, when we had hired a brand new VW minibus in West Berlin and driven it through Check Point Charlie ? got lots of inquisitive East Germans taking a look. We also were wandering around with our mobile cell phones clipped to belt, when our liaison guy said that it would take him at least two or three years to have a landline phone installed, and about ten years to get a vehicle.
>>>>>>> He did OK though as when the wall came down he was able to be employed by NBC for some winter sports coverage, where I bumped into him again. He hadn?t been very well, so I gave him my Heathrow Duty Free brandy.
>>>>>>> A make-up girl I knew had family in West Berlin , but when the wall came down, stationed herself on the former East side of the Brandenburg Gate to watch the faces of the people who were at last able to visit the West. She said that they all came back, gobsmacked at having seen the shops, cars etc of the affluent West.
>>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>>  
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>>>>>>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Sent: 04 August 2021 11:26
>>>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Lots of scare stories in the press. Any car which ran on the previous E5
>>>>>>> will run on E10.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> The problem *may* be the alcohol attacking some parts of the fuel system.
>>>>>>> Like 'rubber' hoses. But few old cars would still be on the originals
>>>>>>> anyway. Perhaps some plastic or seals in the carbs, etc, too.
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> But remember many countries have had a higher amount than 10% for many a
>>>>>>> year, yet still manage to run old cars.  
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>  
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Ah Tony! I too began with an A30, then moved to a rusty Triumph Herald 
12/50. My A30 took me to & from Evesham. Flat out I think it got to 
about 65mph: the speedo needle used to flap about so much at that end of 
the scale, it was difficult to be sure. Dave Plowman should recognise 
it: he rebuilt the engine for me in 1967. As you can see from the photo, 
the semaphore indicators were still in place: I think I replaced them 
with the flashers quite early on. The worst aspect was the brakes - 
cable operated & nearly useless - no hydraulics. The clutch was rod 
operated. It broke once & I had to drive home in 1st gear. The Herald 
was better. Great turning circle, but it rusted away. The Triumph 
Vitesse 6 Convertable that followed it was most fun, but rusted even 
quicker.

John Nottage

On 04/08/2021 20:29, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Gosh, late getting to this thread (again - I don't live on 
> computers/email) but I simply loved my Triumph Herald, which of course 
> rusted away after I'd had t about a year -can't remember who sold it to 
> me, but someone at TVC did, if the guilty party is here, you broke my heart!
> 
> My first car was an A30, which ran its big end on the M1, and took me 
> and Dave Jorgensen quite some time to restore to working order. However, 
> it took Heather and myself, after we were married, to many exotic 
> locations such as the Tally Ho in Kentish Town at the weekends to listen 
> to Phil Seamen, and down several pints of Guinness, just as well that 
> the drink/drive laws hadn't been enacted at the time.
> 
> Whilst on the subject, my all-time favourite car was the Ford Granada, 
> when I was earning a reasonable amount I had the 2.8i Ghia, and that 
> really grieved me when I had to part with it, but I had nowhere to keep 
> it, not to mention not enough money to run two cars. The Herald ran it a 
> close second, but the Granny lasted a lot longer.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug  5 06:32:42 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 12:32:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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I never thought of myself as a grease monkey, but probably Dad thought that if I was going to drive cars, I?d better learn how they worked!
My first vehicle was a secondhand A35 van, which had side windows fitted. It got me up and down to Evesham, although used more oil than petrol,
I always had to carry a couple of pints of oil with me. It was useful to cart around my hi-fi gear, as I used to provide music for friends? parties, or for fundraising
dances for the Friends of the local hospital. I guess I was an early mobile DJ! One party for one of the lassies in my crowd was held at the Waldorf Hotel in the Aldwych
(now the Waldorf Hilton). In those days it was possible to park right outside and leave the car there. The porter staff were brilliantly helpful in moving my kit into the ballroom!
After that, the first brand new car was the Austin A40, maybe the first true hatchback ? a split rear door, the top window half hinged upwards, and the lower bit, downwards,
forming a useful loading platform. Sadly, this was a troublesome motor, as it had to have two replacement steering columns and about four new electric fuel pumps.
Dad had to turn out and rescue me several times, and I fitted a string to the pump to chivvy it into action. No mobile phones, then, so I suppose it was finding a payphone.
Then the era of the Heralds, and after that, having been on location for Blue Peter, with a recordist who had a BMW 2002, I was seduced by that and started a long relationship
with that marque, purchasing from the I.o.W dealership, since my folks had retired there, so had the cars serviced while I visited. The service manager used to loan me
his demonstrator, for just a couple of gallons of fuel. My penultimate model lasted me for 18 years, and I got a splendid deal from them, when I went back for my current car,
as well as taking advantage of the then Government scrappage scheme, worth another ?2K. (attached is a .pdf of a Newsletter item).
Knowing that many Police Forces favour BMW for reliability, I wonder if they suffered two instances. On my way to a location in Regent?s Park, nearing Hammersmith Broadway,
something happened and I limped to park underneath the flyover. The temp gauge was off the scale, so carefully releasing the radiator cap, with a protective cloth, the vehicle
expelled the coolant in a huge fountain which hit the underside of the flyover!  Leaving the car in the NCP there, I took a taxi to the location, with my sound kit cases on
a trolley ? not wishing to bump down the stairs of the underpass, I legged it across the Broadway ? highly dangerous! The cameraman that day was the splendid Graham Berry
of Treasure Hunt fame, who insisted on driving me back to Hammersmith at the end of the day, in spite of him going home in the opposite direction.
I was rescued by BMW Emergency Service who took the vehicle back to Guildford on a low loader.
Some weeks after that incident, a general recall was initiated to have the radiator caps replaced with ones with not such a strong release spring.
The second incident was rather more serious. On my way to meet up with Redapple cameraman, Nigel Reynolds, there was a curious ticking noise from under the bonnet.
The dealership came to collect the car, and at lunchtime, phoned me with the (bad) news. A valve spring had failed, and the stalk of said valve had punched a hole right through
the piston head - you could see the crankshaft below! The bits were collected up and rapidly sent back to Munich. The repair was with a reconditioned engine of about the same
age, and the dealership split the cost, as it was well out of extended warranty. Still with BMW, though! I?m very happy with my current model, although it?s now 11 years old,
but only 52,000 on the clock.

Happy Motoring! (now where did that come from?)
Pat


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On 4 Aug 2021, at 19:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Pat, I?ve known you for around sixty years, but I never had you down as a grease monkey!
My memory of sitting on the Herald and Spitfire front wheel was with Dicky Chamberlain sitting on the other wheel. Clutch replacement - simple. MHRIP.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5





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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Aug  5 08:10:00 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2021 14:10:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Herbert Austin reckoned good brakes made for a bad driver. Of course he
would, wouldn't he, since he saved money by fitting inferior brakes.

IIRC the A30 did have hydraulic brakes - in the main. Conventional to the
front, but only one cylinder for the rears, and a mechanical linkage from
it to both rear drums. The linkage being shared with the handbrake. But
its real problem was the drums were simply too small.     


In article <849ec4ba-57bf-fe96-2c2a-13c85244ed0d at googlemail.com>,
   John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Ah Tony! I too began with an A30, then moved to a rusty Triumph Herald 
> 12/50. My A30 took me to & from Evesham. Flat out I think it got to 
> about 65mph: the speedo needle used to flap about so much at that end of 
> the scale, it was difficult to be sure. Dave Plowman should recognise 
> it: he rebuilt the engine for me in 1967. As you can see from the photo, 
> the semaphore indicators were still in place: I think I replaced them 
> with the flashers quite early on. The worst aspect was the brakes - 
> cable operated & nearly useless - no hydraulics. The clutch was rod 
> operated. It broke once & I had to drive home in 1st gear. The Herald 
> was better. Great turning circle, but it rusted away. The Triumph 
> Vitesse 6 Convertable that followed it was most fun, but rusted even 
> quicker.

> John Nottage

> On 04/08/2021 20:29, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> > Gosh, late getting to this thread (again - I don't live on 
> > computers/email) but I simply loved my Triumph Herald, which of course 
> > rusted away after I'd had t about a year -can't remember who sold it to 
> > me, but someone at TVC did, if the guilty party is here, you broke my heart!
> > 
> > My first car was an A30, which ran its big end on the M1, and took me 
> > and Dave Jorgensen quite some time to restore to working order. However, 
> > it took Heather and myself, after we were married, to many exotic 
> > locations such as the Tally Ho in Kentish Town at the weekends to listen 
> > to Phil Seamen, and down several pints of Guinness, just as well that 
> > the drink/drive laws hadn't been enacted at the time.
> > 
> > Whilst on the subject, my all-time favourite car was the Ford Granada, 
> > when I was earning a reasonable amount I had the 2.8i Ghia, and that 
> > really grieved me when I had to part with it, but I had nowhere to keep 
> > it, not to mention not enough money to run two cars. The Herald ran it a 
> > close second, but the Granny lasted a lot longer.
> > 
> > TeaTeaFN - Tony
> >

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 08:25:06 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 14:25:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Hi all,

I, too, had an Austin A30 as my first car.? cable operated brakes, rod 
operated clutch - and the handbrake was on the right hand side, next to 
the driver's door.. It had severe understeer - it seemed that you needed 
to start to turn into a roundabout some time before you reached it!

My A30 started with trafficators, but these got broken off by 
pedestrians rushing past to cross the road on Shepherd's Bush Green.

I spray painted it bright blue - in the open air, using a vacuum clearer 
spray gun (a fitment on the "exhaust" of the vacuum cleaner - popular at 
the time), covered the "dashboard" with walnut Fablon, and installed 
large bright orange flashers.

Easter 1966 I took the A30 - with a friend -across Belgium, Southern 
Germany and Switzerland, down into Italy and to Rome, which we reached 
on Easter Day.? The back up through Northeast Italy, the South of France 
- camping at Juan Les Pins - and then back to Calais via Le Puy.

As we drove through one Swiss town, we saw the only other A30 on the 
whole trip - and the driver - wearing a trilby as I recall - waved his 
arms and beamed at us to see another A30!

We crossed the Alps by the Julier pass - because all the other passes 
were closed and the Julier pass was open.? Lots of hairpin bends.? We 
had the heater full on and the windows open to help cool the engine.? 
Here is the A30 at the top of the Julier Pass.


As we began the return journey, we began to have trouble starting the 
car - on the last day it took nearly half-an-hour - bonnet up, 
manipulate the throttle manually, press the starter manually from inside 
the bonnet... we eventually made it to Charing, in Kent - and stopped 
outside a garage.? A gentleman took pity on us, allowed us to bed down 
in an old ambulance for the night,. the next day the garage mended the 
car - three burned out exhaust valves - and the cost was just over ?6? - 
yes six pounds.


Keep safe, Best regards, Alec



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Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
Mob:  07789 561 346
Tel:  0118 981 7502

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Aug  5 08:35:01 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 14:35:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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My sister?s first car was an A30, registration number MUD 30. She sold it to a scrappy for about a tenner, not realising the number was worth a lot more than the car.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 5 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I, too, had an Austin A30 as my first car.  cable operated brakes, rod operated clutch - and the handbrake was on the right hand side, next to the driver's door.. It had severe understeer - it seemed that you needed to start to turn into a roundabout some time before you reached it!
> 
> My A30 started with trafficators, but these got broken off by pedestrians rushing past to cross the road on Shepherd's Bush Green.
> 
> I spray painted it bright blue - in the open air, using a vacuum clearer spray gun (a fitment on the "exhaust" of the vacuum cleaner - popular at the time), covered the "dashboard" with walnut Fablon, and installed large bright orange flashers.
> 
> Easter 1966 I took the A30 - with a friend -across Belgium, Southern Germany and Switzerland, down into Italy and to Rome, which we reached on Easter Day.  The back up through Northeast Italy, the South of France - camping at Juan Les Pins - and then back to Calais via Le Puy.   
> 
> As we drove through one Swiss town, we saw the only other A30 on the whole trip - and the driver - wearing a trilby as I recall - waved his arms and beamed at us to see another A30!
> 
> We crossed the Alps by the Julier pass - because all the other passes were closed and the Julier pass was open.  Lots of hairpin bends.  We had the heater full on and the windows open to help cool the engine.  Here is the A30 at the top of the Julier Pass.
> 
> <fonfnlkjidpneibd.png>
> 
> 
> 
> As we began the return journey, we began to have trouble starting the car - on the last day it took nearly half-an-hour - bonnet up, manipulate the throttle manually, press the starter manually from inside the bonnet... we eventually made it to Charing, in Kent - and stopped outside a garage.  A gentleman took pity on us, allowed us to bed down in an old ambulance for the night,. the next day the garage mended the car - three burned out exhaust valves - and the cost was just over ?6  - yes six pounds.
> 
> 
> 
> Keep safe, Best regards, Alec
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> =======
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug  5 08:45:50 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 14:45:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Wonderful, Alec,
I didn?t often take my own vehicle across the Channel, but drove rentals when working abroad.
But one holiday taken with a girlfriend, we had my BMW325i, for which we shared the driving. She was a good driver, but it was her shift to enter Munich on a Friday rush hour afternoon! Her father lectured on art and wanted a set of slides that the Munich Museum had. She was great, and we moved on to Salzburg, then the Austrian Tirol. We got a bit behind schedule so I drove, flinging the BMW around hairpin bends to arrive at our B & B in a small village.
This was summer, but I had learned to drive in snow and ice on a 17 week location in Switzerland ? got very quick at fitting chains, as going down to the town in the valley was clear of snow, so had to be put on as we ascended back.
Incidentally, I discovered that driving on the edge of the Sahara, in Tunisia, a dusting of sand behaved in the same way as ice!
Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 05 August 2021 14:25
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored

Hi all,
I, too, had an Austin A30 as my first car.? cable operated brakes, rod operated clutch - and the handbrake was on the right hand side, next to the driver's door.. It had severe understeer - it seemed that you needed to start to turn into a roundabout some time before you reached it!
My A30 started with trafficators, but these got broken off by pedestrians rushing past to cross the road on Shepherd's Bush Green.
I spray painted it bright blue - in the open air, using a vacuum clearer spray gun (a fitment on the "exhaust" of the vacuum cleaner - popular at the time), covered the "dashboard" with walnut Fablon, and installed large bright orange flashers.
Easter 1966 I took the A30 - with a friend -across Belgium, Southern Germany and Switzerland, down into Italy and to Rome, which we reached on Easter Day.? The back up through Northeast Italy, the South of France - camping at Juan Les Pins - and then back to Calais via Le Puy.?? 
As we drove through one Swiss town, we saw the only other A30 on the whole trip - and the driver - wearing a trilby as I recall - waved his arms and beamed at us to see another A30!
We crossed the Alps by the Julier pass - because all the other passes were closed and the Julier pass was open.? Lots of hairpin bends.? We had the heater full on and the windows open to help cool the engine.? Here is the A30 at the top of the Julier Pass.


As we began the return journey, we began to have trouble starting the car - on the last day it took nearly half-an-hour - bonnet up, manipulate the throttle manually, press the starter manually from inside the bonnet... we eventually made it to Charing, in Kent - and stopped outside a garage.? A gentleman took pity on us, allowed us to bed down in an old ambulance for the night,. the next day the garage mended the car - three burned out exhaust valves - and the cost was just over ?6? - yes six pounds.

Keep safe, Best regards, Alec





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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Aug  5 09:12:08 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 05 Aug 2021 14:12:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Ah hah, starting, yes I forgot to tell you that I often had to start the A30 with the starting handle (beware the backlash!).

The Granny certainly sailed well at high speeds, I remember when I first drove one up the M1 I wondered why most of the traffic was going so slowly, and looking at the speedo I was doing over 100, ooops.

My wife, Heather, had a penchant for Morris minor travellers (the half-timbered car) and we had two, one after the other. I used it to travel to TVC from time to time, and one night returning home it wheezed, gasped and ground to a halt at the Northolt underpass. I had to traipse up to the Target pub to use the phone to call the AA. Half an hour later the man showed up, raised the bonnet and tapped the fuel pump. Bingo, all well. 'A common fault,' he told me, as I groaned and said 'If only I'd known'.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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??????? Original Message ???????
On Thursday, August 5th, 2021 at 14:25, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I, too, had an Austin A30 as my first car. cable operated brakes, rod operated clutch - and the handbrake was on the right hand side, next to the driver's door.. It had severe understeer - it seemed that you needed to start to turn into a roundabout some time before you reached it!
>
> My A30 started with trafficators, but these got broken off by pedestrians rushing past to cross the road on Shepherd's Bush Green.
>
> I spray painted it bright blue - in the open air, using a vacuum clearer spray gun (a fitment on the "exhaust" of the vacuum cleaner - popular at the time), covered the "dashboard" with walnut Fablon, and installed large bright orange flashers.
>
> Easter 1966 I took the A30 - with a friend -across Belgium, Southern Germany and Switzerland, down into Italy and to Rome, which we reached on Easter Day. The back up through Northeast Italy, the South of France - camping at Juan Les Pins - and then back to Calais via Le Puy.
>
> As we drove through one Swiss town, we saw the only other A30 on the whole trip - and the driver - wearing a trilby as I recall - waved his arms and beamed at us to see another A30!
>
> We crossed the Alps by the Julier pass - because all the other passes were closed and the Julier pass was open. Lots of hairpin bends. We had the heater full on and the windows open to help cool the engine. Here is the A30 at the top of the Julier Pass.
>
> As we began the return journey, we began to have trouble starting the car - on the last day it took nearly half-an-hour - bonnet up, manipulate the throttle manually, press the starter manually from inside the bonnet... we eventually made it to Charing, in Kent - and stopped outside a garage. A gentleman took pity on us, allowed us to bed down in an old ambulance for the night,. the next day the garage mended the car - three burned out exhaust valves - and the cost was just over ?6 - yes six pounds.
>
> Keep safe, Best regards, Alec
>
> --
> =======
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> Mob:  07789 561 346
> Tel:  0118 981 7502
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug  5 09:15:05 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 15:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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A further story about Salzburg:
We were there for the tail end of the Music Festival.
The guest orchestra was the Vienna Phil, but the ticket prices were beyond our pocket, so had to be content with a chamber recital in the ?Fortress?. This was accessed via funicular railway, and the German audience had no concept of queuing for the last train down. Luckily, a training in flying elbows learned on the Northern Line, helped!
An earlier skiing trip produced a similar situation. Queuing at the food counter of a ?shepherds hut? restaurant, a group of German louts barged in front, at which I took offence. One of them said something, at which the others laughed. What they didn?t know was that one of us was fluent in German, and gave them a right mouthful. Afterwards he told me that what had been said was: ?At the back of any queue, you?ll find the English complaining!?
Pat


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We moved on to Salzburg, then the Austrian Tirol. 



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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Aug  5 09:35:58 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 14:35:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB19813A6ADE6CE6C5C2FB3B39A7F29@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?One little car that I?ve never forgotten (or its owner) was this orange Fiat 850 Sport. With its rear engine, bombing up the M1 to Darlington, it was happy cruising at 100mph, and with all the engine noise behind you it literally felt rocket propelled. Amazingly, these still sell at auction at anywhere between eight and sixteen thousand Euros.  Sadly, my life went a bit off-piste soon after this pic, so I lost the privilege of driving it. Can it really be nearly fifty years ago?
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 15:29:01 2021
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 21:29:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Shocked and saddened to hear that Roger has passed away.Sincere condolences
to his family. Another good guy gone. RIP Roger.
Geoff F

On Thu, 5 Aug 2021 at 15:15, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> A further story about Salzburg:
>
> We were there for the tail end of the Music Festival.
>
> The guest orchestra was the Vienna Phil, but the ticket prices were beyond
> our pocket, so had to be content with a chamber recital in the ?Fortress?.
> This was accessed via funicular railway, and the German audience had no
> concept of queuing for the last train down. Luckily, a training in flying
> elbows learned on the Northern Line, helped!
>
> An earlier skiing trip produced a similar situation. Queuing at the food
> counter of a ?shepherds hut? restaurant, a group of German louts barged in
> front, at which I took offence. One of them said something, at which the
> others laughed. What they didn?t know was that one of us was fluent in
> German, and gave them a right mouthful. Afterwards he told me that what had
> been said was: ?At the back of any queue, you?ll find the English
> complaining!?
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
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>
> *From: *patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Sent: *05 August 2021 14:45
> *To: *Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *RE: [Tech1] Car restored
>
>
>
> We moved on to Salzburg, then the Austrian Tirol.
>
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Aug  5 17:23:09 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2021 23:23:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Scams
Message-ID: <9c6d932f-f076-18d0-55b4-b4dca66bf887@btinternet.com>

Yet another two different scams sent to my mobile! One from 'Postoffice' 
who are unable to deliver my parcel - non-existant of course!, please 
click to re-book, and another from 'Clydesdale Alert' about a an attempt 
to log-in to my mobile banking (which I don't have!). Both came from 
+44795.........numbers! Cheers, Dave



From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Aug  5 18:07:09 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 00:07:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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My split-screen minor had its fuel pump under the near side rear wheel arch, as I recall. It too was prone to sticking occasionally - twice whilst I was overtaking, which made life very exciting for a few moments - not an experience I would appreciate on a busy modern motorway! It?s a wonder any of us survived really, especially pre-breathalyser!

Mike G



From geoffletch at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 04:01:45 2021
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 10:01:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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Writing of A30s - these pics are mine from May 1963.

Geoff F







> On 5 Aug 2021, at 14:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Herbert Austin reckoned good brakes made for a bad driver. Of course he
> would, wouldn't he, since he saved money by fitting inferior brakes.
> 
> IIRC the A30 did have hydraulic brakes - in the main. Conventional to the
> front, but only one cylinder for the rears, and a mechanical linkage from
> it to both rear drums. The linkage being shared with the handbrake. But
> its real problem was the drums were simply too small.     
> 
> 
> In article <849ec4ba-57bf-fe96-2c2a-13c85244ed0d at googlemail.com <mailto:849ec4ba-57bf-fe96-2c2a-13c85244ed0d at googlemail.com>>,
>   John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> Ah Tony! I too began with an A30, then moved to a rusty Triumph Herald 
>> 12/50. My A30 took me to & from Evesham. Flat out I think it got to 
>> about 65mph: the speedo needle used to flap about so much at that end of 
>> the scale, it was difficult to be sure. Dave Plowman should recognise 
>> it: he rebuilt the engine for me in 1967. As you can see from the photo, 
>> the semaphore indicators were still in place: I think I replaced them 
>> with the flashers quite early on. The worst aspect was the brakes - 
>> cable operated & nearly useless - no hydraulics. The clutch was rod 
>> operated. It broke once & I had to drive home in 1st gear. The Herald 
>> was better. Great turning circle, but it rusted away. The Triumph 
>> Vitesse 6 Convertable that followed it was most fun, but rusted even 
>> quicker.
> 
>> John Nottage
> 
>> On 04/08/2021 20:29, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Gosh, late getting to this thread (again - I don't live on 
>>> computers/email) but I simply loved my Triumph Herald, which of course 
>>> rusted away after I'd had t about a year -can't remember who sold it to 
>>> me, but someone at TVC did, if the guilty party is here, you broke my heart!
>>> 
>>> My first car was an A30, which ran its big end on the M1, and took me 
>>> and Dave Jorgensen quite some time to restore to working order. However, 
>>> it took Heather and myself, after we were married, to many exotic 
>>> locations such as the Tally Ho in Kentish Town at the weekends to listen 
>>> to Phil Seamen, and down several pints of Guinness, just as well that 
>>> the drink/drive laws hadn't been enacted at the time.
>>> 
>>> Whilst on the subject, my all-time favourite car was the Ford Granada, 
>>> when I was earning a reasonable amount I had the 2.8i Ghia, and that 
>>> really grieved me when I had to part with it, but I had nowhere to keep 
>>> it, not to mention not enough money to run two cars. The Herald ran it a 
>>> close second, but the Granny lasted a lot longer.
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Aug  6 04:05:37 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 10:05:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roger Fenna
In-Reply-To: <B0DC420D-E5C9-4C56-82DA-910DABA23440@gmail.com>
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It?s terribly sad when folks one knew and worked with, pass away. It makes one aware that one?s own time must be coming!
Over the last few years, I?ve attended funerals both in person and now via webcasts, of people for whom I had great respect (Pete Rose, Len Shorey, Gordon Mackie and very recently, Frank Smith) and it?s humbling to realise that I am the last surviving member of several feature film sound crews ? so cannot indulge in reminiscences and shared memories.

RIP, all those good people.
Pat

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From: Geoff Fletcher via Announce
Sent: 06 August 2021 09:14
To: phider
Cc: Bernard Newnham via Announce
Subject: Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna

There is a photo of Rog meeting HRH  posted onFB yesterday Peter,
Geoff F




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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Aug  6 05:35:23 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 11:35:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <797F7697-482E-4C87-A3B5-7459BEBBA53F@gmail.com>
References: <797F7697-482E-4C87-A3B5-7459BEBBA53F@gmail.com>
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Ah - some real period photos & Austin nostalgia - nice to see old photos like this (and those previously posted by others)

I wonder if the A35 might ever be reborn one day - I recall some guy in the Midlands registering the Austin name for only a fiver a few years or so ago.  

I also wonder if Shanghai Industry Automotive Corp might offer him a small profit (or perhaps open up an ugly legal dispute?) as they already own own MG cars which may possibly include the former Austin-Rover brand name?   
I note they have claimed the old ?Morris-Commercial? name following the acquisition of LDV vans in Birmingham and stuck it onto a new electric van (a modern replica of the old J Type vans)
last I heard it had an expected price tag of ?60k which isn?t likely to be a hit with the local builder. 

Worrying how SIAC are now using old & dated UK van names like Pilot & Maxus on their new modern LDV SUV offerings. I admire their sales confidence in assuming that any prospective customers will have poor memories and forgotten just how unpopular and badly built the LDV Pilot & Maxus vans were - hopefully them won?t associate them!

Steve


> On 6 Aug 2021, at 10:02, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?Writing of A30s - these pics are mine from May 1963.
> 
> Geoff F
> 
> <630516 A09:06M Akers's A30, Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire copy.jpeg>
> <630516 A09:07M Me, Aston Cantlow, Warwickshire copy.jpeg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 5 Aug 2021, at 14:10, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Herbert Austin reckoned good brakes made for a bad driver. Of course he
>>> would, wouldn't he, since he saved money by fitting inferior brakes.
>>> 
>>> IIRC the A30 did have hydraulic brakes - in the main. Conventional to the
>>> front, but only one cylinder for the rears, and a mechanical linkage from
>>> it to both rear drums. The linkage being shared with the handbrake. But
>>> its real problem was the drums were simply too small.     
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In article <849ec4ba-57bf-fe96-2c2a-13c85244ed0d at googlemail.com>,
>>>   John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Ah Tony! I too began with an A30, then moved to a rusty Triumph Herald 
>>> 12/50. My A30 took me to & from Evesham. Flat out I think it got to 
>>> about 65mph: the speedo needle used to flap about so much at that end of 
>>> the scale, it was difficult to be sure. Dave Plowman should recognise 
>>> it: he rebuilt the engine for me in 1967. As you can see from the photo, 
>>> the semaphore indicators were still in place: I think I replaced them 
>>> with the flashers quite early on. The worst aspect was the brakes - 
>>> cable operated & nearly useless - no hydraulics. The clutch was rod 
>>> operated. It broke once & I had to drive home in 1st gear. The Herald 
>>> was better. Great turning circle, but it rusted away. The Triumph 
>>> Vitesse 6 Convertable that followed it was most fun, but rusted even 
>>> quicker.
>> 
>>> John Nottage
>> 
>>>> On 04/08/2021 20:29, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Gosh, late getting to this thread (again - I don't live on 
>>>> computers/email) but I simply loved my Triumph Herald, which of course 
>>>> rusted away after I'd had t about a year -can't remember who sold it to 
>>>> me, but someone at TVC did, if the guilty party is here, you broke my heart!
>>>> 
>>>> My first car was an A30, which ran its big end on the M1, and took me 
>>>> and Dave Jorgensen quite some time to restore to working order. However, 
>>>> it took Heather and myself, after we were married, to many exotic 
>>>> locations such as the Tally Ho in Kentish Town at the weekends to listen 
>>>> to Phil Seamen, and down several pints of Guinness, just as well that 
>>>> the drink/drive laws hadn't been enacted at the time.
>>>> 
>>>> Whilst on the subject, my all-time favourite car was the Ford Granada, 
>>>> when I was earning a reasonable amount I had the 2.8i Ghia, and that 
>>>> really grieved me when I had to part with it, but I had nowhere to keep 
>>>> it, not to mention not enough money to run two cars. The Herald ran it a 
>>>> close second, but the Granny lasted a lot longer.
>>>> 
>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> 
>> -- 
>>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  6 05:59:37 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 11:59:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
Message-ID: <FCA0D459-DE65-4CA8-B7A5-246CC86A7868@me.com>

I used to think that there must be a market for an indefinitely repairable car, as typified by the Morris Minor and others.  The basic idea would be that as much as possible would be user replaceable and spare parts would remain available for about twenty years or more.

When doing a show with some modern car designers, I broached the subject and they explained how it simply wouldn?t be possible with the technology in modern cars.  The technology is essential to meet emission and safety standards.

More recently, I did a shoot at a factory where they make extremely hi-tech electric vehicles.  One of the designers there explained that their intention is to make vehicles which are easy to repair and capable of an incredibly long service life.  Obviously being an electric vehicle, the mechanics are simpler, few moving parts, no clutch, no gearbox and using the engine for regenerative braking reduces the wear on the brakes too. Even the bodywork is modular and readily replaceable. They try to use generic parts where possible, but have concerns about the durability of some components as they?re designed for the lifespan of IC vehicles. One of them said that even something as simple as the seatbelt arrangements might need to be redesigned as existing ones start fraying after 300k miles and they?re planning on building vehicles which should be good for a million miles. 

Two different engineers with entirely different mind sets and visions.

Alan Taylor

> On 6 Aug 2021, at 11:35, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 06:42:36 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 12:42:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] I always wondered.....
Message-ID: <8e9a64de-f434-6db1-c1f2-081a331f4813@gmail.com>

Why 44.1kHz?

Now I know - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5bs5tTDby0

B
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Aug  6 08:19:27 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 14:19:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake Views!
Message-ID: <BBBB72BE348F42D5AABC7214913E7321@Gigabyte>

I would guess that many of you will know all about this ? even if not engrossed in Olympics coverage.
However it does show how far we have come in faking things on tele!
Actually an interesting video  and complete with a laugh bit at the end.

Mike

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/olympics/58113457
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From barry-wilkinson at sky.com  Fri Aug  6 10:48:12 2021
From: barry-wilkinson at sky.com (B Wilkinson)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 16:48:12 +0100
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Aug  6 11:18:08 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 17:18:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras. 

Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.

The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester. 

Steve 

> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  6 12:31:58 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 18:31:58 +0100
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I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 

Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.

They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 

Alan Taylor



> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras. 
> 
> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
> 
> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester. 
> 
> Steve 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> <image0.jpeg>
>> <image1.jpeg>
>> <image2.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad-- 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Aug  6 12:49:16 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 18:49:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 

Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987

Steve

> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
> 
> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
> 
> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>> 
>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>> 
>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester. 
>> 
>> Steve 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>> <image2.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad-- 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  6 13:35:34 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 19:35:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.

I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.

Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.

Alan Taylor


> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
> 
> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>> 
>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>> 
>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>> Steve
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?
>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>> <image2.jpeg>
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 14:05:57 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 20:05:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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The BBC logo on the cameras was the one introduced in 1971 until being 
phased out around 1988.

It's definitely not the 1987 Royal one from Knebworth.  The blocks of flats 
in the background aren't anywhere on the Knebworth estate.  Would they fit 
around Warwick or Dudley?

Looks to me like a school or public playing field, somewhere. Tagged into 
some sort of fete in the back, something substantial beyond Knockout?

The clothes could be dated anywhere from mid-70s to mid-1980s. To my eye I'd 
favour it more early 80s though.

Could be a Celebrity Knockout rather than the Royal one, they were done 
1975 - 1982.  Format would have been the same, lots of celebrities doing the 
games.



-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2021 7:35 PM
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] It?s a Knockout / Jeux sans Frontieres PC 80 cameras

I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years 
earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but 
Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal 
Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown 
in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as 
locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I 
would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a 
castle.

I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that 
our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and 
rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have 
met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 
and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.

Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve 
pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find 
any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these 
pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the 
technical gear.

Alan Taylor




From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  6 14:11:51 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 20:11:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway. 

Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in. 

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> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
> 
> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
> 
> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
>> 
>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>>> 
>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>> 
>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>> Steve
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> ?
>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad--
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Aug  6 14:22:47 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 20:22:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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 =?utf-8?q?_PC_80_cameras?=
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The smalller vehicle left of the scanner seps could be a genny?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway. 
> 
> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>> 
>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>> 
>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
>>> 
>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>>>> 
>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>> 
>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad--
>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  6 14:37:43 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 20:37:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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I wondered about that, but it seemed rather small for a genny. On the other hand if there was no lighting, it would only need to supply tech power for the scanner and VTR, so wouldn?t need to be particularly beefy.  Don?t know what sort of gennys they had in Manchester, but can?t recall seeing one like that at KA.

Alan Taylor 

> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:22, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The smalller vehicle left of the scanner seps could be a genny?
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway. 
>> 
>> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> <image.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>>> 
>>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
>>>> 
>>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Aug  6 15:26:32 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 21:26:32 +0100
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Could this be the one at Windsor? I was there as a guest of the producer, Geoff Wilson, who was an old acquaintance, because I was doing all the sub-mixes for the foreign JSF events, but I really can?t recall what year it would have been. If ever I find my old diaries, it may be on record in one of them. I know I haven?t thrown them away, but they are not immediately to hand.

Mike G



> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:11, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway. 
> 
> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>> 
>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>> 
>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
>>> 
>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>>>> 
>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>> 
>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
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From davelebreton at btinternet.com  Fri Aug  6 16:04:28 2021
From: davelebreton at btinternet.com (davelebreton at btinternet.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 22:04:28 +0100
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The three PC80 equipped Type 2 scanners (CMCRs 7,8 and 9) were completed at 
Pye TVT's works in Royston in the summer of 1969.  Acceptance testing of 
these cameras began at Peto Scott's Weybridge works, but the final updates 
and handover was done by Pye TVT after they became "The Broadcast Company of 
Philips".

The attached picture, scanned from a Pye publicity brochure, shows, in the 
distance, a very young Dave Le Breton attending to a PC80.  I suspect I was 
unwilling to stop work for the photographer as I wanted to get home!

Dave LeB

-----Original Message----- 
From: Steve Edwards via Tech1
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] It?s a Knockout / Jeux sans Frontieres PC 80 cameras

Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.

Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these 
cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be 
confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by 
PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.

The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) 
started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally 
being relocated to Manchester.

Steve

> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
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> ?
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Aug  6 16:12:33 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 22:12:33 +0100
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That looks more like a genny to me.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway. 
> 
> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>> 
>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>> 
>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
>>> 
>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>>>> 
>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>> 
>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable. 
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPad--
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Aug  6 16:22:21 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 22:22:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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?Alan, 

The steps highlighted in the picture don?t belong to a Type 2 scanner - they are partly inset within the vehicle bodywork itself - with only 2 outer steps extending beyond the outermost body. The steps highlighted yellow appear instead to be for the higher loading floor height of the green (presumably) support truck pictured in front. 

The PC 80s we?re only used on the Type 2s and we?re all taken out of service in circa 1982.  

One step further on but still remaining two steps back for establishing the 1: The year  2: The location. 3: The scanner North 1, 2 or 3 ???

Someone out there will know. 

Steve 


> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?That looks more like a genny to me.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway. 
>> 
>> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> <image.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>>> 
>>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
>>>> 
>>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>>> 
>>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  6 17:02:39 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2021 23:02:39 +0100
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Another puzzle for me is that I can?t make out the large flap which opens in the roof above the cab of a Type II scanner, but the cameras are PC80s, and as far as I?m aware, the only scanners which used PC80s were N1, N2 and N3.

You?re right about the steps being strange for a Type II, but I don?t know anything about North 1 or 2.  Were they standard Type II scanners as well or an earlier design?

Come to think of it, what I assumed was the sound door has to be wrong, the sound door on a Type II is at the back.

The more I think about it, the less I think it?s a Type II. So probably not North 3. What is known about N1 and N2?

Alan Taylor



> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:22, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Alan, 
> 
> The steps highlighted in the picture don?t belong to a Type 2 scanner - they are partly inset within the vehicle bodywork itself - with only 2 outer steps extending beyond the outermost body. The steps highlighted yellow appear instead to be for the higher loading floor height of the green (presumably) support truck pictured in front. 
> 
> The PC 80s we?re only used on the Type 2s and we?re all taken out of service in circa 1982.  
> 
> One step further on but still remaining two steps back for establishing the 1: The year  2: The location. 3: The scanner North 1, 2 or 3 ???
> 
> Someone out there will know. 
> 
> Steve 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?That looks more like a genny to me.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway. 
>>> 
>>> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <image.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>>>> 
>>>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  6 18:14:23 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 00:14:23 +0100
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Just remembered.  

Weren?t  N1 and N2 names originally given to colour converted versions of B&W scanners, much like MCR 21?  Or were the names N1 and N2 used on different generations of scanners as happened with LO21? A designation which was given to three different vehicles over about three decades.

I?m really confused because I seem to remember there were vehicles called North 1 and North 2 which were colourised versions of 1960s scanners, but I also seem to remember that North 1, 2 & 3 were all Type II scanners built around the same time as the other Type IIs.  Can anybody clarify the timeline?

We can rule out the converted B&W type of scanner for any number of reasons, not least amongst them being that you?d need a much larger scanner to handle a show like Knockout, but also the bodywork and the arrangement of the doors and steps are totally wrong. 

Another remote possibility is if it?s not a Type II, did any facility company had a scanner like that in those days?  I?m aware of any and it seems unlikely that such a scanner would have PC 80s anyway. It wouldn?t make sense for the BBC hire in a truck for such a prestigious show if they had their own scanners and were familiar with them.

I?m also open to the possibility that it isn?t the TV compound after all, but it?s some vehicles used for running the event.  I did notice what looked like some camera cables which appear to be running in an unlikely direction.  

Alan Taylor



> On 6 Aug 2021, at 23:02, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Another puzzle for me is that I can?t make out the large flap which opens in the roof above the cab of a Type II scanner, but the cameras are PC80s, and as far as I?m aware, the only scanners which used PC80s were N1, N2 and N3.
> 
> You?re right about the steps being strange for a Type II, but I don?t know anything about North 1 or 2.  Were they standard Type II scanners as well or an earlier design?
> 
> Come to think of it, what I assumed was the sound door has to be wrong, the sound door on a Type II is at the back.
> 
> The more I think about it, the less I think it?s a Type II. So probably not North 3. What is known about N1 and N2?
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:22, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> ?Alan,
>> The steps highlighted in the picture don?t belong to a Type 2 scanner - they are partly inset within the vehicle bodywork itself - with only 2 outer steps extending beyond the outermost body. The steps highlighted yellow appear instead to be for the higher loading floor height of the green (presumably) support truck pictured in front.
>> The PC 80s we?re only used on the Type 2s and we?re all taken out of service in circa 1982.  
>> One step further on but still remaining two steps back for establishing the 1: The year  2: The location. 3: The scanner North 1, 2 or 3 ???
>> Someone out there will know.
>> Steve
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?That looks more like a genny to me.
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway.
>>>> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in.
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> <image.jpg>
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>>>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>>>>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>>>>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987.
>>>>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers
>>>>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable.
>>>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad--
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri Aug  6 18:16:14 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 00:16:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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?Nothing like a bit of detective work??but not when you?re told you?re up the wrong tree and have to start all over again. 

I?m just reiterating what others here may already know - Type 2 scanners North 1, 2 & 3, as Dave shows in his PYE workshop photo, are all identical vehicles. 

I understand there was a total of 9 Type 2 scanners built circa ~1969: 6 were fitted with EMI 2001 cameras but only 3 units were fitted with PC80 cameras - all 9 units used G101 cables fir both naked if cameras: Externally these scanners appeared virtually identical - painted grey with a green stripe top & bottom. 
CMCR 7 & 8 with PC80s were both based in Manchester, with CMCR 9 (the other PC80 equipped Type 2) was based in London (formerly numbered L05) until mid 1970s where it was swapped with the Birmingham based CMCR 6 Type 2 which was equipped with EMI 2001s - making the London fleet all EMI camera based instead of having one odd scanner with Philips cameras. 

CMCR 9 was eventually moved from Birmingham and added to the Manchester based fleet where the 3 Type 2 scanners (all equipped with Philips PC80 cameras) were renumbered North 1, 2 & 3 (N3 being ex CMCR9- the former London based L05 unit)

The point is that the PC80s in question in the It?s a Knockout photos could only relate to three of the Type 2 vehicles which were all taken out of service in around 1982 (along with the PC80s) meaning the photos could only have been taken prior to this. 

Steve 




> On 6 Aug 2021, at 23:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Another puzzle for me is that I can?t make out the large flap which opens in the roof above the cab of a Type II scanner, but the cameras are PC80s, and as far as I?m aware, the only scanners which used PC80s were N1, N2 and N3.
> 
> You?re right about the steps being strange for a Type II, but I don?t know anything about North 1 or 2.  Were they standard Type II scanners as well or an earlier design?
> 
> Come to think of it, what I assumed was the sound door has to be wrong, the sound door on a Type II is at the back.
> 
> The more I think about it, the less I think it?s a Type II. So probably not North 3. What is known about N1 and N2?
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:22, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> ?Alan,
>> The steps highlighted in the picture don?t belong to a Type 2 scanner - they are partly inset within the vehicle bodywork itself - with only 2 outer steps extending beyond the outermost body. The steps highlighted yellow appear instead to be for the higher loading floor height of the green (presumably) support truck pictured in front.
>> The PC 80s we?re only used on the Type 2s and we?re all taken out of service in circa 1982.  
>> One step further on but still remaining two steps back for establishing the 1: The year  2: The location. 3: The scanner North 1, 2 or 3 ???
>> Someone out there will know.
>> Steve
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:13, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?That looks more like a genny to me.
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 20:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?One of the pics includes what looks to be the TV compound.  Not very clear, but very few vehicles have steps like that. I can?t pick out any talkback aerial poles, which is often a giveaway for spotting a scanner. Type II scanner, such as North 3 ? That?s what we would expect with those cameras anyway.
>>>> Steps to production door highlighted with yellow arrow, top of the sound door visible to the right.  Maybe a camera van nearer the camera viewpoint with its roller shutter near the production steps. Possibly a mobile VT van to our left of the camera van?  What do you reckon? Don?t know what to make of the small truck with what looks like air-con on the roof, this side of the VTR. Seems rather low for anybody to work in.
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> <image.jpg>
>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 19:35, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
>>>>> ?I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>>>>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>>>>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:49, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>>> ?Scratching my head here ??I think the Type 2 scanners (North 1-North 3) had all been withdrawn from service some time in ~1982 ish (correct me if I?m wrong here) and subsequently replaced by Type 5 scanners & LDK 5s ruling out the possibility of these photos being 1987.
>>>>>> Also judging by the early Vinten camera support/cranes is a reasonable clue to the photos being taken prior to 1987
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 18:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> ?I would guess from the set design that the pics were from the Royal episode of It?s a Knockout in 1987. Probably from Alton Towers
>>>>>>> Most of the shows were done with Manchester scanners, that?s why there are no EMI 2001s or LDK5s in use, which would have been the case if it were serviced by Kendal Avenue. Another reason why I?m sure it was serviced by Manchester is that I believe John Drake did the Sound for them all and I remember him telling me a jape which he carried out, which sounds like it was on that particular episode.
>>>>>>> They needed a sound assistant to stand to the side of the portcullis to operate a gun mic.  The chosen guy excitedly phoned his mum to tell her that he would be seen adjacent to the royals.  John heard about it and then arranged for the sound guy to be fitte with a fake suit of armour so that no part of him was recognisable.
>>>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 17:18, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> ?Nice photos of these ?Philips? cameras.
>>>>>>>> Would you (or anyone else) happen know the date and to which OB unit these cameras belonged to? Most will already be aware the PC80s (Not to be confused with the very similar PC 60s & LDK3 cameras) were only fitted by PYE on three scanners: North 1-3 as they were known in their later years.
>>>>>>>> The year and location might be a good clue as North 3 (latterly known) started off in London before being swapped with Pebble Mill then finally being relocated to Manchester.
>>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 16:49, B Wilkinson via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>> <image0.jpeg>
>>>>>>>>> <image1.jpeg>
>>>>>>>>> <image2.jpeg>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad--
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I didn't get the attachments before either, but I have both inline and 
attachments this time

B



On 07/08/2021 09:36, David Newbitt wrote:
> Hi Hugh,
> Missing attachment photos first. It is beyond my knowledge to 
> speculate further so here attached again are the two photos. The first 
> from my post from 1456 yesterday, the second from later in the day at 
> 1905. I?m also including them as inserts which, although that is less 
> satisfactory for saving files, at least gives an alternative if for 
> some reason the attachments fail again. I?m copying in Peter Cook and 
> also Deborah (Jim Kinally?s daughter) who I believe saw the first of 
> these but possibly not the 2nd.
> Cast & crew with Roger Fenna.
> Evesham STO course
> As to your search for your course photo, as a mere 78 year old I fear 
> my knowledge may be a little less prodigious than you have hoped! Nice 
> to see mention in particular of Julien Tolkien though, he was No2 to 
> Eddie Curzon on the crew I first joined so I got to know him quite 
> well and liked him enormously. I used to buy tomato plants from him 
> which came with a bonus free fuschia (mine was ?Dark Eyes? as I 
> recall). I once went out to see him at his family?s market garden in 
> the Hughenden Valley ? a man of many talents!
> Best wishes to all,
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Hugh Sheppard
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:47 AM
> *To:* David Newbitt
> *Cc:* Bernard Newnham
> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
> Dave,
>
> This not being 'breadcast', but your knowledge of historic records 
> prompts me to ask about early Evesham course photos. Roger Fenna, 
> Geoff Feld and I were close friends in our early days, mainly from 
> bonding on what I believe to have been the first TV PTO Course in the 
> severe winter of 1958-9.? Previous to that, the equivalent courses 
> were for Probationary 'Engineers', with Tech-Ops considered as not 
> needing to know what went on under the lid of cameras or sound-desks 
> because the job was merely to do what you were told to do by those in 
> the control-room.
>
> Also on that course were friends such as Julian Tolkien, Mike Pontin 
> and Bob Booth - the last never seen again after daring to take the 
> mickey out of 'the major' and Dr. Sturley, (who 'got up early') for 
> the end of course 'review'.
>
> There certainly was a routine Course photo, but I've not been able to 
> source my copy for at least 40 years and nor have I found it anywhere 
> else. Would you know if they were all held somewhere, perhaps at 
> Caversham and where they might be now?
>
> Incidentally, NO posts with attached photos of Roger Fenna have 
> arrived via Thunderbird emails at my PC. Would you be able to kindly 
> resend?
>
> Best regards
>
> Hugh
>
> On 06-Aug-21 11:13 PM, David Newbitt via Announce wrote:
>> I wonder what the problem might be with the photos you've not been 
>> able to see? The two posts with attached photos were both from me and 
>> I'm pretty confident they were delivered to member's inboxes. I 
>> believe sometimes email messages are however delivered to inboxes 
>> shorn of attachments that some over vigorous filtering has taken 
>> exception to. I'm afraid that's the only thought that comes to mind.
>>
>> Sorry not to be more helpful than that and sorry also to hear of 
>> yourself and others battling difficult conditions.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Cook
>> Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:39 PM
>> To: David Newbitt ; Jim Kinally
>> Cc: Bernard Newnham via Announce
>> Subject: Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>>
>> It is sad to see the gradual erosion of what was such a creative bunch
>> of blokes. Am I though missing something as I cannot see any attachments
>> or photos?
>>
>> On the subject of Alzheimers, you may or may not be aware that Steve
>> Chilver is struggling with dementure and being looked after by Jan. It
>> makes my Parkinson's more bearable when compared to others woes!
>>
>> Stay well and stay safe folks.
>>
>> Cheers Peter
>>
>> On 06/08/2021 19:05, David Newbitt via Announce wrote:
>>> Hi Deborah,
>>>
>>> I'm sure nobody minds in the slightest - quite the opposite. I 
>>> wonder if you have this photo which is on the tech ops site? STO 
>>> course at Evesham mid 1960's. I've superimposed names on the 
>>> original apart from two I've yet to identify.
>>>
>>> Best wishes and I'm very sorry for your Dad's plight and the 
>>> distress it must cause you,
>>>
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kinally
>>> Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 5:55 PM
>>> To: David Newbitt
>>> Cc: Geoff Fletcher ; phider ; Bernard Newnham via Announce
>>> Subject: Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>>>
>>> Hi, I?m Jim Kinally?s daughter Deborah, I hope you don?t mind me 
>>> jumping on this email trail as I was saddened to hear about Roger 
>>> Fenna, he?s a name even I remember from the past that Dad worked 
>>> very closely with. Sadly Dad has Alzheimer?s now and struggles to 
>>> remember much of his BBC career of 40+ years but I did find a 
>>> picture of him on the Mole camera from tech ops (I found it when I 
>>> googled his surname!) which I was thrilled to find and it now 
>>> proudly sits in his room as a reminder! So I?d like to say thank you 
>>> for the picture.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Deborah
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 14:56, David Newbitt via Announce 
>>>> mailto:announce at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?The attached shot has Roger in the hallowed company of Sir John 
>>>> Gielgud and is a screen grab I lifted from a video posted by Chris 
>>>> Hainstock on Memories of working at TVC on June 29th this year. It 
>>>> was posted as an Epilogue to the posts for the 61st anniversary of 
>>>> TC's opening and is 52 secs in.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure I remember this as a still in an earlier post on our tech 
>>>> ops site but I can't remember when. If somebody does remember it 
>>>> may well be better quality.
>>>>
>>>> As many have said, the sadness of these losses gets no easier. In 
>>>> some ways I feel it may be particularly hard for people like myself 
>>>> who haven't seen any of you since we were all relatively young men 
>>>> and can only see the lost ones as they were in their prime.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Aug  7 05:02:05 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 11:02:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BT scam: You have been overcharged
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Probably another scam to obtain your bank details, ostensibly to refund you, but in reality, to plunder your account!
Not likely with me as there is a direct debit in place, so any genuine refunds would be taken into account.

Got a ?cold call? a few days ago ? number withheld ? pleasant enough chap, and mentioned my road?s name. I gave him short shrift at a withheld number. ?Not very, nice? he protested.
I should have quizzed him more as my number is ex-Directory, so some merchant has sold the info on. So much for the DPA!
Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1
Sent: 07 August 2021 10:39
To: Tech1 at tech-ops
Subject: [Tech1] BT scam: You have been overcharged

Dear all,

IGNORE any emails addressed like this:
Subject: 
Your BT billing Refund Status
Date: 
Sat, 7 Aug 2021 07:12:23 +0000
From: 
Operating Adm <HARLEY922K5 at hotmail.com>
To: 
email at btclick.com <email at btclick.com>
And/or send to: BT Phishing <phishing at bt.com>

Hugh



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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  7 07:32:02 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 13:32:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
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??And finally to take us back to the original question Alan was asking regarding lights & modifications classic cars, this photo is a typical example of what not to do and shows the unsympathetic out of touch and total disregard of originality retro fitting of safety features:-

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This was actually Jimmy Saville?s bubble car - looks like Jimmy also thought flashing in public places was a good idea.  He would have been better using hand signals to indicate his intentions.  (on second thoughts, perhaps not)

Steve


> On 6 Aug 2021, at 12:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I used to think that there must be a market for an indefinitely repairable car, as typified by the Morris Minor and others.  The basic idea would be that as much as possible would be user replaceable and spare parts would remain available for about twenty years or more.
> 
> When doing a show with some modern car designers, I broached the subject and they explained how it simply wouldn?t be possible with the technology in modern cars.  The technology is essential to meet emission and safety standards.
> 
> More recently, I did a shoot at a factory where they make extremely hi-tech electric vehicles.  One of the designers there explained that their intention is to make vehicles which are easy to repair and capable of an incredibly long service life.  Obviously being an electric vehicle, the mechanics are simpler, few moving parts, no clutch, no gearbox and using the engine for regenerative braking reduces the wear on the brakes too. Even the bodywork is modular and readily replaceable. They try to use generic parts where possible, but have concerns about the durability of some components as they?re designed for the lifespan of IC vehicles. One of them said that even something as simple as the seatbelt arrangements might need to be redesigned as existing ones start fraying after 300k miles and they?re planning on building vehicles which should be good for a million miles. 
> 
> Two different engineers with entirely different mind sets and visions.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 11:35, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 07:45:00 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 13:45:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
	=?utf-8?q?It=E2=80=99s_a_Knockout_/_Jeux_sans_Frontieres?=
	=?utf-8?q?_PC_80_cameras?=
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Only one I can find from Bristol is:

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/426821dffa204a0791c59307f5a195d0

The area looks about the right size. Could these be the buildings in the 
background?

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4715909,-2.6181082,3a,15y,192.88h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPpFjhdBR3nq3VHPVzU99Qg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192



-----Original Message----- 
From: B Wilkinson
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2021 1:21 PM
To: David Brunt
Subject: Re: [Tech1] It?s a Knockout / Jeux sans Frontieres PC 80 cameras

Sorry guys no point in guessing I was there. It was definitely not the royal 
one and it was held at a big playing  field at Bristol. Sadly my date memory 
is awful but it was north CMCR( s) . Remembered due to it being unusually 
far South for the North OB units to venture. It was not Alton Towers, I 
never worked an OB there.
Wicked Paedia does not help.
I remember also the international at Southport, mostly based on a ? half? 
galleon in the outdoor pool , so lots of water games ? Jeux Sans Pied/ 
Terrain? ?

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:34, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?The BBC logo on the cameras was the one introduced in 1971 until being 
> phased out around 1988.
>
> It's definitely not the 1987 Royal one from Knebworth.  The blocks of 
> flats in the background aren't anywhere on the Knebworth estate.  Would 
> they fit around Warwick or Dudley?
>
> Looks to me like a school or public playing field, somewhere. Tagged into 
> some sort of fete in the back, something substantial beyond Knockout?
>
> The clothes could be dated anywhere from mid-70s to mid-1980s. To my eye 
> I'd favour it more early 80s though.
>
> Could be a Celebrity Knockout rather than the Royal one, they were done 
> 1975 - 1982.  Format would have been the same, lots of celebrities doing 
> the games.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2021 7:35 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] It?s a Knockout / Jeux sans Frontieres PC 80 cameras
>
> I?m puzzled about it too.  I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten 
> years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II scanner, 
> but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87.  Was there more than one 
> Royal Episode?  Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar scenery to 
> what's shown in these pics.  However there were ordinary episodes using 
> castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and Warwick castle in the 
> early 70?s and I would think it likely they used sets with a castle theme 
> if filming at a castle.
>
> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine that 
> our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in those days 
> and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would have expected to 
> have met up with him more frequently in the mid to late 70s when I worked 
> on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with regional scanners.
>
> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? As 
> Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, but I can?t 
> find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match up with what?s in 
> these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit better with what we can see 
> of the technical gear.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 07:53:33 2021
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 13:53:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roger Fenna pics attachments.
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It's  the photos attached to the messages on the 'Announce' group which I
can't see. I can see these on the tech1@ distribution. I'm wondering if
there is a setting on the 'Announce' group which zaps the photos.
Bill J

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021, 10:48 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I didn't get the attachments before either, but I have both inline and
> attachments this time
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 07/08/2021 09:36, David Newbitt wrote:
>
> Hi Hugh,
>
> Missing attachment photos first. It is beyond my knowledge to speculate
> further so here attached again are the two photos. The first from my post
> from 1456 yesterday, the second from later in the day at 1905. I?m also
> including them as inserts which, although that is less satisfactory for
> saving files, at least gives an alternative if for some reason the
> attachments fail again. I?m copying in Peter Cook and also Deborah (Jim
> Kinally?s daughter) who I believe saw the first of these but possibly not
> the 2nd.
>
> [image: Cast & crew with Roger Fenna.]
>
> [image: Evesham STO course]
>
> As to your search for your course photo, as a mere 78 year old I fear my
> knowledge may be a little less prodigious than you have hoped! Nice to see
> mention in particular of Julien Tolkien though, he was No2 to Eddie Curzon
> on the crew I first joined so I got to know him quite well and liked him
> enormously. I used to buy tomato plants from him which came with a bonus
> free fuschia (mine was ?Dark Eyes? as I recall). I once went out to see him
> at his family?s market garden in the Hughenden Valley ? a man of many
> talents!
>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Hugh Sheppard
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:47 AM
> *To:* David Newbitt
> *Cc:* Bernard Newnham
> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>
> Dave,
>
> This not being 'breadcast', but your knowledge of historic records prompts
> me to ask about early Evesham course photos. Roger Fenna, Geoff Feld and I
> were close friends in our early days, mainly from bonding on what I believe
> to have been the first TV PTO Course in the severe winter of 1958-9.
> Previous to that, the equivalent courses were for Probationary 'Engineers',
> with Tech-Ops considered as not needing to know what went on under the lid
> of cameras or sound-desks because the job was merely to do what you were
> told to do by those in the control-room.
>
> Also on that course were friends such as Julian Tolkien, Mike Pontin and
> Bob Booth - the last never seen again after daring to take the mickey out
> of 'the major' and Dr. Sturley, (who 'got up early') for the end of course
> 'review'.
>
> There certainly was a routine Course photo, but I've not been able to
> source my copy for at least 40 years and nor have I found it anywhere else.
> Would you know if they were all held somewhere, perhaps at Caversham and
> where they might be now?
>
> Incidentally, NO posts with attached photos of Roger Fenna have arrived
> via Thunderbird emails at my PC. Would you be able to kindly resend?
>
> Best regards
>
> Hugh
>
> On 06-Aug-21 11:13 PM, David Newbitt via Announce wrote:
>
> I wonder what the problem might be with the photos you've not been able to
> see? The two posts with attached photos were both from me and I'm pretty
> confident they were delivered to member's inboxes. I believe sometimes
> email messages are however delivered to inboxes shorn of attachments that
> some over vigorous filtering has taken exception to. I'm afraid that's the
> only thought that comes to mind.
>
> Sorry not to be more helpful than that and sorry also to hear of yourself
> and others battling difficult conditions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Cook
> Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:39 PM
> To: David Newbitt ; Jim Kinally
> Cc: Bernard Newnham via Announce
> Subject: Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>
> It is sad to see the gradual erosion of what was such a creative bunch
> of blokes. Am I though missing something as I cannot see any attachments
> or photos?
>
> On the subject of Alzheimers, you may or may not be aware that Steve
> Chilver is struggling with dementure and being looked after by Jan. It
> makes my Parkinson's more bearable when compared to others woes!
>
> Stay well and stay safe folks.
>
> Cheers Peter
>
> On 06/08/2021 19:05, David Newbitt via Announce wrote:
>
> Hi Deborah,
>
> I'm sure nobody minds in the slightest - quite the opposite. I wonder if
> you have this photo which is on the tech ops site? STO course at Evesham
> mid 1960's. I've superimposed names on the original apart from two I've yet
> to identify.
>
> Best wishes and I'm very sorry for your Dad's plight and the distress it
> must cause you,
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kinally
> Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 5:55 PM
> To: David Newbitt
> Cc: Geoff Fletcher ; phider ; Bernard Newnham via Announce
> Subject: Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>
> Hi, I?m Jim Kinally?s daughter Deborah, I hope you don?t mind me jumping
> on this email trail as I was saddened to hear about Roger Fenna, he?s a
> name even I remember from the past that Dad worked very closely with. Sadly
> Dad has Alzheimer?s now and struggles to remember much of his BBC career of
> 40+ years but I did find a picture of him on the Mole camera from tech ops
> (I found it when I googled his surname!) which I was thrilled to find and
> it now proudly sits in his room as a reminder! So I?d like to say thank you
> for the picture.
> Kind regards
> Deborah
>
>
> On 6 Aug 2021, at 14:56, David Newbitt via Announce
> mailto:announce at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>
> ?The attached shot has Roger in the hallowed company of Sir John Gielgud
> and is a screen grab I lifted from a video posted by Chris Hainstock on
> Memories of working at TVC on June 29th this year. It was posted as an
> Epilogue to the posts for the 61st anniversary of TC's opening and is 52
> secs in.
>
> I'm sure I remember this as a still in an earlier post on our tech ops
> site but I can't remember when. If somebody does remember it may well be
> better quality.
>
> As many have said, the sadness of these losses gets no easier. In some
> ways I feel it may be particularly hard for people like myself who haven't
> seen any of you since we were all relatively young men and can only see the
> lost ones as they were in their prime.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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>
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  7 08:06:08 2021
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 14:06:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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 =?utf-8?q?_PC_80_cameras?=
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As a latecomer to this particular ball, I'd sent this to our exchange a 
few months ago about JSF from Bristol in 1973:

      * -------- Forwarded Message --------
        Subject: 	Re: [Tech1] Simon Hoists
        Date: 	Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:17:09 +0000
        From: 	Hugh Sheppard <hughsheppard at btinternet.com>
        To: 	tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>



        "Ah well; trawling the memory bank and Genome finds an infamous
        '/Jeux sans Fronti?res' from //'Durdham Down, Bristol Introduced
        by Eddie Waring and Stuart Hall/' on 24 August 1973.

        'Infamous' because this was the occasion when Dave Hodge -
        ex-Crew 5? - was stuck at the top of the tallest hoist in the UK
        when the hydraulics failed. Nought for it, but to take the
        emergency inertia reel exit route back down to earth. Even that
        failed to disturb Dave's stoic good humour; lodging it forever
        as the only aspect of an otherwise forgettable programme."

Having discarded a recent picture or two, canst anyone recall if a Simon 
Hoist (or Geoff Lomas) was to be seen in them anywhere?

Bestregs

Hugh

On 07-Aug-21 1:45 PM, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> Only one I can find from Bristol is:
>
> https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/426821dffa204a0791c59307f5a195d0
>
> The area looks about the right size. Could these be the buildings in 
> the background?
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4715909,-2.6181082,3a,15y,192.88h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPpFjhdBR3nq3VHPVzU99Qg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: B Wilkinson
> Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2021 1:21 PM
> To: David Brunt
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] It?s a Knockout / Jeux sans Frontieres PC 80 cameras
>
> Sorry guys no point in guessing I was there. It was definitely not the 
> royal one and it was held at a big playing? field at Bristol. Sadly my 
> date memory is awful but it was north CMCR( s) . Remembered due to it 
> being unusually far South for the North OB units to venture. It was 
> not Alton Towers, I never worked an OB there.
> Wicked Paedia does not help.
> I remember also the international at Southport, mostly based on a ? 
> half? galleon in the outdoor pool , so lots of water games ? Jeux Sans 
> Pied/ Terrain? ?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 22:34, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?The BBC logo on the cameras was the one introduced in 1971 until 
>> being phased out around 1988.
>>
>> It's definitely not the 1987 Royal one from Knebworth.? The blocks of 
>> flats in the background aren't anywhere on the Knebworth estate.? 
>> Would they fit around Warwick or Dudley?
>>
>> Looks to me like a school or public playing field, somewhere. Tagged 
>> into some sort of fete in the back, something substantial beyond 
>> Knockout?
>>
>> The clothes could be dated anywhere from mid-70s to mid-1980s. To my 
>> eye I'd favour it more early 80s though.
>>
>> Could be a Celebrity Knockout rather than the Royal one, they were 
>> done 1975 - 1982.? Format would have been the same, lots of 
>> celebrities doing the games.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2021 7:35 PM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] It?s a Knockout / Jeux sans Frontieres PC 80 
>> cameras
>>
>> I?m puzzled about it too.? I assumed that the royal one was maybe ten 
>> years earlier than that, which would fit in with using a Type II 
>> scanner, but Wikipedia says the Royal one was in ?87. Was there more 
>> than one Royal Episode?? Photos taken in ?87 appear to have similar 
>> scenery to what's shown in these pics. However there were ordinary 
>> episodes using castles as locations, such as Dudley castle and 
>> Warwick castle in the early 70?s and I would think it likely they 
>> used sets with a castle theme if filming at a castle.
>>
>> I always enjoyed working with John Drake, but find it hard to imagine 
>> that our paths crossed in ?87 as I was mostly doing drama work in 
>> those days and rarely met regional colleagues at that time. I would 
>> have expected to have met up with him more frequently in the mid to 
>> late 70s when I worked on MSC2 and occasionally did music shows with 
>> regional scanners.
>>
>> Can anybody throw any light on when they think the pics were taken? 
>> As Steve pointed out, ?87 seems unlikely and I think he?s correct, 
>> but I can?t find any pics of the Warwick Castle one to try and match 
>> up with what?s in these pics, but an early 70s date seems to fit 
>> better with what we can see of the technical gear.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Aug  7 08:33:21 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 14:33:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963@btinternet.com>
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That bubble car looks a bit like the hard hat worn by a BBC safety officer during a recce.

The show was inside a Welsh slate mine and although we were all issued with hard hats, he turned up with his own hard hat, with ?BBC Safety Officer? lettering on either side and an amber hazard light on top.  John King and I were joking about how long he would have to wear that ridiculous hat for in order to win the bet, but it was for real. He thought it was really cool and was very proud of his hat.

Our group then went down the mine and of course there is limited headroom in a mine, so he was concerned about bashing the lamp on the roof.  He decided to take off the hat in the lowest section so as not to damage it.

Would anybody care to guess who cracked his head open on the low roof while not wearing a hard hat?

Another part to that story ?. Earlier that morning while we were milling about on the surface, waiting for the rest of our colleagues to turn up, a helicopter landed in the car park and out jumped Anneka Rice followed by Graham Berry. It was part of a Treasure Hunt episode where she was required to find a Small Duchess and a Wide Lady. They turned out to be terms for sizes of slates, which are traditionally named after female nobility. I happen to know that my house has Countess sized slates, which rather surprised a roofer when he was about to get a ladder and measure a slate so that he could bring the correct size for a repair.

Alan Taylor



> On 7 Aug 2021, at 13:32, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ???And finally to take us back to the original question Alan was asking regarding lights & modifications classic cars, this photo is a typical example of what not to do and shows the unsympathetic out of touch and total disregard of originality retro fitting of safety features:-
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> This was actually Jimmy Saville?s bubble car - looks like Jimmy also thought flashing in public places was a good idea.  He would have been better using hand signals to indicate his intentions.  (on second thoughts, perhaps not)
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 12:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I used to think that there must be a market for an indefinitely repairable car, as typified by the Morris Minor and others.  The basic idea would be that as much as possible would be user replaceable and spare parts would remain available for about twenty years or more.
>> 
>> When doing a show with some modern car designers, I broached the subject and they explained how it simply wouldn?t be possible with the technology in modern cars.  The technology is essential to meet emission and safety standards.
>> 
>> More recently, I did a shoot at a factory where they make extremely hi-tech electric vehicles.  One of the designers there explained that their intention is to make vehicles which are easy to repair and capable of an incredibly long service life.  Obviously being an electric vehicle, the mechanics are simpler, few moving parts, no clutch, no gearbox and using the engine for regenerative braking reduces the wear on the brakes too. Even the bodywork is modular and readily replaceable. They try to use generic parts where possible, but have concerns about the durability of some components as they?re designed for the lifespan of IC vehicles. One of them said that even something as simple as the seatbelt arrangements might need to be redesigned as existing ones start fraying after 300k miles and they?re planning on building vehicles which should be good for a million miles. 
>> 
>> Two different engineers with entirely different mind sets and visions.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 11:35, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sat Aug  7 09:14:31 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 15:14:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BT scam: You have been overcharged
In-Reply-To: <610e5a1d.1c69fb81.ee011.0fed@mx.google.com>
References: <610e5a1d.1c69fb81.ee011.0fed@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C038FB30-5C25-4B90-BE01-BB25CDB6E764@zero51.force9.co.uk>

We had a new scam that gave me pause for thought. It was from ?The Domain Bureau? and well laid out, suggesting that a domain (that we do have) might be due for renewal in the near future and offering a link to check. 
The Dear Valued Customer was suspicious of course, but I realised I wasn?t sure when it was actually up for renewal, although it?s meant to be done by your provider. Was my bank card up to date etc?
 I did check, not through their link of course, but using whois.com.  On a phone it?s a bit disconcerting because it is geared to selling you a new domain, but it?s ok because it will say yours is unavailable and leads on to your expiry dates and provider info etc

Peter Fox

On 7 Aug 2021, at 11:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Probably another scam to obtain your bank details, ostensibly to refund you, but in reality, to plunder your account!
Not likely with me as there is a direct debit in place, so any genuine refunds would be taken into account.
 
Got a ?cold call? a few days ago ? number withheld ? pleasant enough chap, and mentioned my road?s name. I gave him short shrift at a withheld number. ?Not very, nice? he protested.
I should have quizzed him more as my number is ex-Directory, so some merchant has sold the info on. So much for the DPA!
Pat
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1
Sent: 07 August 2021 10:39
To: Tech1 at tech-ops
Subject: [Tech1] BT scam: You have been overcharged
 
Dear all,

IGNORE any emails addressed like this:
Subject:
Your BT billing Refund Status
Date:
Sat, 7 Aug 2021 07:12:23 +0000
From:
Operating Adm <HARLEY922K5 at hotmail.com>
To:
email at btclick.com <email at btclick.com>
And/or send to: BT Phishing <phishing at bt.com>

Hugh

 


 	
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 12:48:41 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 18:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roger Fenna pics attachments.
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It's possible that the announce settings did remove the attachments. I
found a content menu and turned it off. Not sure what it all did, but it
isn't now. Someone could try posting a image to see if it made a difference.

B

On Sat, 7 Aug 2021, 13:53 Bill Jenkin, <billjenkin67 at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's  the photos attached to the messages on the 'Announce' group which I
> can't see. I can see these on the tech1@ distribution. I'm wondering if
> there is a setting on the 'Announce' group which zaps the photos.
> Bill J
>
> On Sat, 7 Aug 2021, 10:48 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I didn't get the attachments before either, but I have both inline and
>> attachments this time
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/08/2021 09:36, David Newbitt wrote:
>>
>> Hi Hugh,
>>
>> Missing attachment photos first. It is beyond my knowledge to speculate
>> further so here attached again are the two photos. The first from my post
>> from 1456 yesterday, the second from later in the day at 1905. I?m also
>> including them as inserts which, although that is less satisfactory for
>> saving files, at least gives an alternative if for some reason the
>> attachments fail again. I?m copying in Peter Cook and also Deborah (Jim
>> Kinally?s daughter) who I believe saw the first of these but possibly not
>> the 2nd.
>>
>> [image: Cast & crew with Roger Fenna.]
>>
>> [image: Evesham STO course]
>>
>> As to your search for your course photo, as a mere 78 year old I fear my
>> knowledge may be a little less prodigious than you have hoped! Nice to see
>> mention in particular of Julien Tolkien though, he was No2 to Eddie Curzon
>> on the crew I first joined so I got to know him quite well and liked him
>> enormously. I used to buy tomato plants from him which came with a bonus
>> free fuschia (mine was ?Dark Eyes? as I recall). I once went out to see him
>> at his family?s market garden in the Hughenden Valley ? a man of many
>> talents!
>>
>> Best wishes to all,
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Hugh Sheppard
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 7, 2021 8:47 AM
>> *To:* David Newbitt
>> *Cc:* Bernard Newnham
>> *Subject:* Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> This not being 'breadcast', but your knowledge of historic records
>> prompts me to ask about early Evesham course photos. Roger Fenna, Geoff
>> Feld and I were close friends in our early days, mainly from bonding on
>> what I believe to have been the first TV PTO Course in the severe winter of
>> 1958-9.  Previous to that, the equivalent courses were for Probationary
>> 'Engineers', with Tech-Ops considered as not needing to know what went on
>> under the lid of cameras or sound-desks because the job was merely to do
>> what you were told to do by those in the control-room.
>>
>> Also on that course were friends such as Julian Tolkien, Mike Pontin and
>> Bob Booth - the last never seen again after daring to take the mickey out
>> of 'the major' and Dr. Sturley, (who 'got up early') for the end of course
>> 'review'.
>>
>> There certainly was a routine Course photo, but I've not been able to
>> source my copy for at least 40 years and nor have I found it anywhere else.
>> Would you know if they were all held somewhere, perhaps at Caversham and
>> where they might be now?
>>
>> Incidentally, NO posts with attached photos of Roger Fenna have arrived
>> via Thunderbird emails at my PC. Would you be able to kindly resend?
>>
>> Best regards
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> On 06-Aug-21 11:13 PM, David Newbitt via Announce wrote:
>>
>> I wonder what the problem might be with the photos you've not been able
>> to see? The two posts with attached photos were both from me and I'm pretty
>> confident they were delivered to member's inboxes. I believe sometimes
>> email messages are however delivered to inboxes shorn of attachments that
>> some over vigorous filtering has taken exception to. I'm afraid that's the
>> only thought that comes to mind.
>>
>> Sorry not to be more helpful than that and sorry also to hear of yourself
>> and others battling difficult conditions.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Cook
>> Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 8:39 PM
>> To: David Newbitt ; Jim Kinally
>> Cc: Bernard Newnham via Announce
>> Subject: Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>>
>> It is sad to see the gradual erosion of what was such a creative bunch
>> of blokes. Am I though missing something as I cannot see any attachments
>> or photos?
>>
>> On the subject of Alzheimers, you may or may not be aware that Steve
>> Chilver is struggling with dementure and being looked after by Jan. It
>> makes my Parkinson's more bearable when compared to others woes!
>>
>> Stay well and stay safe folks.
>>
>> Cheers Peter
>>
>> On 06/08/2021 19:05, David Newbitt via Announce wrote:
>>
>> Hi Deborah,
>>
>> I'm sure nobody minds in the slightest - quite the opposite. I wonder if
>> you have this photo which is on the tech ops site? STO course at Evesham
>> mid 1960's. I've superimposed names on the original apart from two I've yet
>> to identify.
>>
>> Best wishes and I'm very sorry for your Dad's plight and the distress it
>> must cause you,
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Kinally
>> Sent: Friday, August 6, 2021 5:55 PM
>> To: David Newbitt
>> Cc: Geoff Fletcher ; phider ; Bernard Newnham via Announce
>> Subject: Re: [Announce] Roger Fenna
>>
>> Hi, I?m Jim Kinally?s daughter Deborah, I hope you don?t mind me jumping
>> on this email trail as I was saddened to hear about Roger Fenna, he?s a
>> name even I remember from the past that Dad worked very closely with. Sadly
>> Dad has Alzheimer?s now and struggles to remember much of his BBC career of
>> 40+ years but I did find a picture of him on the Mole camera from tech ops
>> (I found it when I googled his surname!) which I was thrilled to find and
>> it now proudly sits in his room as a reminder! So I?d like to say thank you
>> for the picture.
>> Kind regards
>> Deborah
>>
>>
>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 14:56, David Newbitt via Announce
>> mailto:announce at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:
>>
>> ?The attached shot has Roger in the hallowed company of Sir John Gielgud
>> and is a screen grab I lifted from a video posted by Chris Hainstock on
>> Memories of working at TVC on June 29th this year. It was posted as an
>> Epilogue to the posts for the 61st anniversary of TC's opening and is 52
>> secs in.
>>
>> I'm sure I remember this as a still in an earlier post on our tech ops
>> site but I can't remember when. If somebody does remember it may well be
>> better quality.
>>
>> As many have said, the sadness of these losses gets no easier. In some
>> ways I feel it may be particularly hard for people like myself who haven't
>> seen any of you since we were all relatively young men and can only see the
>> lost ones as they were in their prime.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  7 14:05:59 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 20:05:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
In-Reply-To: <DBDFB7C5-81EE-450B-97B5-E51B19C9765E@me.com>
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Your story about the mine reminded me about Gavin Birkett who, as safety 
officer, certainly lived up to the first part of his surname! We were 
doing an insert for the Noel Edmonds Show at an airfield where we had to 
get permission from the control tower to cross the runway, Gavin drove 
straight across it as a light plane was landing. Another mishap he had 
was at home where his rotary mower cut his toe off! Later on he happened 
to break down on the M1 and one of the crew passing by recognised him 
and stopped to offer help. He said 'do you want a tow, Gavin?'. I'm sure 
there are many more stories in the archives! Cheers, Dave. On? 
07/08/2021 14:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

> That bubble car looks a bit like the hard hat worn by a BBC safety officer during a recce.
>
> The show was inside a Welsh slate mine and although we were all issued with hard hats, he turned up with his own hard hat, with ?BBC Safety Officer? lettering on either side and an amber hazard light on top.  John King and I were joking about how long he would have to wear that ridiculous hat for in order to win the bet, but it was for real. He thought it was really cool and was very proud of his hat.
>
> Our group then went down the mine and of course there is limited headroom in a mine, so he was concerned about bashing the lamp on the roof.  He decided to take off the hat in the lowest section so as not to damage it.
>
> Would anybody care to guess who cracked his head open on the low roof while not wearing a hard hat?
>
> Another part to that story ?. Earlier that morning while we were milling about on the surface, waiting for the rest of our colleagues to turn up, a helicopter landed in the car park and out jumped Anneka Rice followed by Graham Berry. It was part of a Treasure Hunt episode where she was required to find a Small Duchess and a Wide Lady. They turned out to be terms for sizes of slates, which are traditionally named after female nobility. I happen to know that my house has Countess sized slates, which rather surprised a roofer when he was about to get a ladder and measure a slate so that he could bring the correct size for a repair.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>> On 7 Aug 2021, at 13:32, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> ???And finally to take us back to the original question Alan was asking regarding lights & modifications classic cars, this photo is a typical example of what not to do and shows the unsympathetic out of touch and total disregard of originality retro fitting of safety features:-
>>
>> <image.jpg>
>>
>>
>> This was actually Jimmy Saville?s bubble car - looks like Jimmy also thought flashing in public places was a good idea.  He would have been better using hand signals to indicate his intentions.  (on second thoughts, perhaps not)
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 12:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I used to think that there must be a market for an indefinitely repairable car, as typified by the Morris Minor and others.  The basic idea would be that as much as possible would be user replaceable and spare parts would remain available for about twenty years or more.
>>>
>>> When doing a show with some modern car designers, I broached the subject and they explained how it simply wouldn?t be possible with the technology in modern cars.  The technology is essential to meet emission and safety standards.
>>>
>>> More recently, I did a shoot at a factory where they make extremely hi-tech electric vehicles.  One of the designers there explained that their intention is to make vehicles which are easy to repair and capable of an incredibly long service life.  Obviously being an electric vehicle, the mechanics are simpler, few moving parts, no clutch, no gearbox and using the engine for regenerative braking reduces the wear on the brakes too. Even the bodywork is modular and readily replaceable. They try to use generic parts where possible, but have concerns about the durability of some components as they?re designed for the lifespan of IC vehicles. One of them said that even something as simple as the seatbelt arrangements might need to be redesigned as existing ones start fraying after 300k miles and they?re planning on building vehicles which should be good for a million miles.
>>>
>>> Two different engineers with entirely different mind sets and visions.
>>>
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 11:35, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  7 14:24:11 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 20:24:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moggies
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My first car was also a Morris Minor! We bought it from a 'bomb site' in 
Mosely, Birmingham, for ?245 which came out of my wife's superannuation! 
It was a Series 2 with split-windscreen and trafficators and did 100 
miles per pint of oil! I saved up and got it re-bored which improved 
things slightly! I moved 'house' in it to London doing two trips a day 
at the running-in speed of 50 m.p.h! In london, I had it serviced at 
Stewart & Ardern in Acton, the main Morris dealers, and they forgot to 
put any oil in the gear box! Luckily, I had added some silicon additive 
and the gear box worked OK for a while. I decided to check the oil and 
found a drop on the drain plug. When I complained to S&A they refunded 
the cost of the missing oil and said it wouldn't happen again! It 
certainly didn't because I resolved to do my own servicing from then on! 
My next car was a Singer Gazelle IIIc which was a totally different 
beast! Cheers, Dave.

On 03/08/2021 23:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> By the way, the Minor was my first car. I had a friend who worked for Puttocks Motors in Guildford, who sold me that car ex-demo for ?250 inc PT. Even at that price, on my meagre BBC salary I had to buy it on two years? HP!
> Then after that a Triumph Herald, followed soon after by a Spitfire. Now that was a car!
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 3 Aug 2021, at 23:00, Nick Ware <waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?My Morris Minor circa 1964 (32 EPL) had trafficators. In retrospect I don?t think they were very visible from all viewing angles. Whilst it?s great to be authentic, I think if it?s still on the road, safety is of greater importance, and trafficators might be dodgy insurance-wise if the car is involved in a prang.
>> Also, during the time I had that car I lost count of the number of times they got snapped off by clumsy bods leaping out of the car while the trafficator was still out.
>> Probably a design feature best left in the past where it belongs!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 3 Aug 2021, at 22:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I saw a Morris Minor on the road this morning.  It was in fabulous condition, but one thing jarred.  It had round headlights, but within the chrome shell there was a ring of flashing amber LEDs around the headlight for turn signalling. I didn?t get a chance to see how signalling was done at the back.
>>>
>>> My knowledge of those cars is limited and I could only see that car for a moment, so I don?t know if that model originally would have had trafficator arms or amber flashing lights for signalling, but I didn?t know what to make of these LEDs. Obviously it was totally inappropriate for the period, but on the other hand, it clearly indicated the intention to turn and when the LEDs were off, it looked mostly original.
>>>
>>> What do you folks think?  Better to stay authentic, or better to have indicators where 21st century drivers expect them to see them?
>>>
>>> Alan Taylor
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 14:29:57 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 19:29:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roger Fenna
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981D9C9C07CC3B7FE8BC156A7F49@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?Further to those missing attachments, this one seems to be from the same course, TO14, I think. Not sure if I?ve shown you it before. Must be losing the plot. Anyway, here it is - Laurie T about to whack me on the head with a ruler by the look of it, but I was well used to that from schooldays!
Needless to say I send my condolences re- Roger. Always sad to hear news like this.
I have to say, my main interest here is hearing from and about people, and what became of them. Plus of course, the random chit-chat.
Cheers to all,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
[cid:8D2EF7D2-BE08-44AF-B7A5-5FF53A5A5901]


On 7 Aug 2021, at 10:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I didn't get the attachments before either, but I have both inline and attachments this time

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Aug  7 17:27:26 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2021 23:27:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
In-Reply-To: <1cca95d0-515e-7f80-58c9-3d3a6fa91e56@btinternet.com>
References: <722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963@btinternet.com>
	<DBDFB7C5-81EE-450B-97B5-E51B19C9765E@me.com>
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The Bristol unit arrived to cover show jumping on the day we were first required to wear hard hats when rigging at height. Within the first hour, one of the vision engineers, who was rigging a monitor on top of a scaffold tower, looked over the rail to ask for something else to be sent up on the hoist ~ as he looked down, his hard hat fell off and hit the guy on the other end of the rope.

Princess Anne was due to climb the ladder to the top of this same rostrum during the event and the EM decreed that during her visit, no-one working on the rostrum was to wear a hard hat!

Mike G


> On 7 Aug 2021, at 20:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Your story about the mine reminded me about Gavin Birkett who, as safety officer, certainly lived up to the first part of his surname! We were doing an insert for the Noel Edmonds Show at an airfield where we had to get permission from the control tower to cross the runway, Gavin drove straight across it as a light plane was landing. Another mishap he had was at home where his rotary mower cut his toe off! Later on he happened to break down on the M1 and one of the crew passing by recognised him and stopped to offer help. He said 'do you want a tow, Gavin?'. I'm sure there are many more stories in the archives! Cheers, Dave. On  07/08/2021 14:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> 
>> That bubble car looks a bit like the hard hat worn by a BBC safety officer during a recce.
>> 
>> The show was inside a Welsh slate mine and although we were all issued with hard hats, he turned up with his own hard hat, with ?BBC Safety Officer? lettering on either side and an amber hazard light on top.  John King and I were joking about how long he would have to wear that ridiculous hat for in order to win the bet, but it was for real. He thought it was really cool and was very proud of his hat.
>> 
>> Our group then went down the mine and of course there is limited headroom in a mine, so he was concerned about bashing the lamp on the roof.  He decided to take off the hat in the lowest section so as not to damage it.
>> 
>> Would anybody care to guess who cracked his head open on the low roof while not wearing a hard hat?
>> 
>> Another part to that story ?. Earlier that morning while we were milling about on the surface, waiting for the rest of our colleagues to turn up, a helicopter landed in the car park and out jumped Anneka Rice followed by Graham Berry. It was part of a Treasure Hunt episode where she was required to find a Small Duchess and a Wide Lady. They turned out to be terms for sizes of slates, which are traditionally named after female nobility. I happen to know that my house has Countess sized slates, which rather surprised a roofer when he was about to get a ladder and measure a slate so that he could bring the correct size for a repair.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2021, at 13:32, Steve Edwards <s.k.edwards at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ???And finally to take us back to the original question Alan was asking regarding lights & modifications classic cars, this photo is a typical example of what not to do and shows the unsympathetic out of touch and total disregard of originality retro fitting of safety features:-
>>> 
>>> <image.jpg>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This was actually Jimmy Saville?s bubble car - looks like Jimmy also thought flashing in public places was a good idea.  He would have been better using hand signals to indicate his intentions.  (on second thoughts, perhaps not)
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 12:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I used to think that there must be a market for an indefinitely repairable car, as typified by the Morris Minor and others.  The basic idea would be that as much as possible would be user replaceable and spare parts would remain available for about twenty years or more.
>>>> 
>>>> When doing a show with some modern car designers, I broached the subject and they explained how it simply wouldn?t be possible with the technology in modern cars.  The technology is essential to meet emission and safety standards.
>>>> 
>>>> More recently, I did a shoot at a factory where they make extremely hi-tech electric vehicles.  One of the designers there explained that their intention is to make vehicles which are easy to repair and capable of an incredibly long service life.  Obviously being an electric vehicle, the mechanics are simpler, few moving parts, no clutch, no gearbox and using the engine for regenerative braking reduces the wear on the brakes too. Even the bodywork is modular and readily replaceable. They try to use generic parts where possible, but have concerns about the durability of some components as they?re designed for the lifespan of IC vehicles. One of them said that even something as simple as the seatbelt arrangements might need to be redesigned as existing ones start fraying after 300k miles and they?re planning on building vehicles which should be good for a million miles.
>>>> 
>>>> Two different engineers with entirely different mind sets and visions.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2021, at 11:35, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  8 07:33:57 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2021 13:33:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BT scam: You have been overcharged
In-Reply-To: <554ba0dd-8f9d-e815-c56b-0bbd8d3ce5fa@btinternet.com>
References: <MN2PR07MB7997BB50E803C7FF9B65AE17A3F49@MN2PR07MB7997.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<MN2PR07MB7997BB50E803C7FF9B65AE17A3F49@MN2PR07MB7997.namprd07.prod.outlook.com
	<554ba0dd-8f9d-e815-c56b-0bbd8d3ce5fa@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5958c65af4davesound@btinternet.com>

I'd certainly ignore it at first glance. BT using a Hotmail address?



In article <554ba0dd-8f9d-e815-c56b-0bbd8d3ce5fa at btinternet.com>,
   Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear all,

> IGNORE any emails addressed like this:

>     Subject: 	Your BT billing Refund Status
>     Date: 	Sat, 7 Aug 2021 07:12:23 +0000
>     From: 	Operating Adm <HARLEY922K5 at hotmail.com>
>     To: 	email at btclick.com <email at btclick.com>

> And/or send to: BT Phishing <phishing at bt.com>

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  8 07:37:04 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 08 Aug 2021 13:37:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963@btinternet.com>
References: <FCA0D459-DE65-4CA8-B7A5-246CC86A7868@me.com>
	<722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5958c6a351davesound@btinternet.com>

Wondering, by the colour, if it is to do with the AA? They always seemed
to want the smallest vehicle on the roads - when they were the AA.



In article <722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963 at btinternet.com>,
   Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ??And finally to take us back to the original question Alan was asking regarding lights & modifications classic cars, this photo is a typical example of what not to do and shows the unsympathetic out of touch and total disregard of originality retro fitting of safety features:-

-- 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug  8 07:50:42 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 13:50:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <5958c6a351davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <FCA0D459-DE65-4CA8-B7A5-246CC86A7868@me.com>
	<722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963@btinternet.com>
	<5958c6a351davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <610fd322.1c69fb81.6f059.4cae@mx.google.com>

Does anyone remember, or confirm, the wonderful story, of a presenter/artiste getting in late, and asking the gate commissionaire to park his vehicle for him. In the days before the spur was built, there was plenty of room to park. The guy took on the task, and drove it nose first up to the boundary wall. However, the vehicle was an Isetta, with a front opening door. It was licensed as a motorbike, and had the reverse gear blocked off, so the guy couldn?t open the door to get out!
Lots of shouting for help ensued, apparently.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 08 August 2021 13:37
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Car restored

Wondering, by the colour, if it is to do with the AA? They always seemed
to want the smallest vehicle on the roads - when they were the AA.





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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  8 09:24:41 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 15:24:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <5958c6a351davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <5958c6a351davesound@btinternet.com>
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No, it had nothing to do with the AA??.

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As it ?appens, Sir Jimmy had the car painted JCB yellow from its previous black paint finish - lots of the originality was then lost as many parts like bumpers, trims and chrome door handle were painted over their original finishes.  However, it sold for somewhere around ?22k at auction shortly after he died but just before the news of his wrongdoings finally broke out. Consequently it reappeared on the market again for less than half the original hammer price as unsurprisingly nobody wanted to own it!

Leaving Jimmy to one side, it was otherwise a pretty good car with a low mileage of -I think-  around 9k on the clock and the former unsympathetic restoration was mainly cosmetic meaning the possibility of restoring it back to its its previous condition would be viable proposition.  It has since been sold on again.

Steve

> On 8 Aug 2021, at 13:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Wondering, by the colour, if it is to do with the AA? They always seemed
> to want the smallest vehicle on the roads - when they were the AA.
> 
> 
> 
> In article <722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963 at btinternet.com>,
>   Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ??And finally to take us back to the original question Alan was asking regarding lights & modifications classic cars, this photo is a typical example of what not to do and shows the unsympathetic out of touch and total disregard of originality retro fitting of safety features:-
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug  8 11:52:42 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 17:52:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Car restored
In-Reply-To: <C20ABC16-7CAA-40FE-AE5D-F8E4CE5FDBC6@btinternet.com>
References: <5958c6a351davesound@btinternet.com>
	<C20ABC16-7CAA-40FE-AE5D-F8E4CE5FDBC6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <72867F85-A160-4D07-AC73-F8DEC1F851FB@me.com>

Am I right in thinking that in his early days Savile used to drive around in a Bentley with a Rolls Royce radiator stuck on the front?  Far cheaper than a Roller and plenty of people were fooled by it.

Like many aspects of his life, what mattered most to him was the image.

Alan Taylor






On 8 Aug 2021, at 8 Aug . 15:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> No, it had nothing to do with the AA??.
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> As it ?appens, Sir Jimmy had the car painted JCB yellow from its previous black paint finish - lots of the originality was then lost as many parts like bumpers, trims and chrome door handle were painted over their original finishes.  However, it sold for somewhere around ?22k at auction shortly after he died but just before the news of his wrongdoings finally broke out. Consequently it reappeared on the market again for less than half the original hammer price as unsurprisingly nobody wanted to own it!
> 
> Leaving Jimmy to one side, it was otherwise a pretty good car with a low mileage of -I think-  around 9k on the clock and the former unsympathetic restoration was mainly cosmetic meaning the possibility of restoring it back to its its previous condition would be viable proposition.  It has since been sold on again.
> 
> Steve
> 
>> On 8 Aug 2021, at 13:37, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Wondering, by the colour, if it is to do with the AA? They always seemed
>> to want the smallest vehicle on the roads - when they were the AA.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In article <722DD7C3-82C4-4438-A78D-3D29E06F6963 at btinternet.com>,
>> Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ??And finally to take us back to the original question Alan was asking regarding lights & modifications classic cars, this photo is a typical example of what not to do and shows the unsympathetic out of touch and total disregard of originality retro fitting of safety features:-
>> 
>> -- 
>>  Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>> 
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Aug  8 13:48:52 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 18:48:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tomatoes
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981B0490D0F37617091232BA7F59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

A question for the collective minds:
Our tomato plants, outside in Growbags as every year, were doing fine until about a week ago, when they suddenly turned brown, shrivelled, and died. My daughter Ellie lives in Chobham and has had the same thing. Tons of fruit looking promising, then suddenly turned brown and dropped off.
Any suggestions? They were watered carefully, fed with Tomorite in recommended dosage.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug  8 14:00:28 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 20:00:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tomatoes
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB1981B0490D0F37617091232BA7F59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PAXP191MB1981B0490D0F37617091232BA7F59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <B434C5A9-BE29-4509-9A7E-B40414D19EA2@me.com>

We used to have variable results from tomatoes in grow bags, but my wife reckoned that the soil was too shallow and watering was critical.  She bought some large plastic pots ( 8? or so ) and I cut most of the bottom out.

We gaffer over the holes, fill the pots with potting compost and start the seedlings going.  When they?re ready for outside, the gaffer tape comes off and the pots are plunged into grow bags.  Each plant has a decent amount of soil around it and there is plenty of room for the roots to spread out. Results have been consistently good so far.

My query to the panel is why do cherry trees get leaf curl?  We?ve sprayed them every winter, but the curl gets worse each year and we even get some of the hardwood dying off.

Alan Taylor

> On 8 Aug 2021, at 19:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?A question for the collective minds:
> Our tomato plants, outside in Growbags as every year, were doing fine until about a week ago, when they suddenly turned brown, shrivelled, and died. My daughter Ellie lives in Chobham and has had the same thing. Tons of fruit looking promising, then suddenly turned brown and dropped off.
> Any suggestions? They were watered carefully, fed with Tomorite in recommended dosage.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sun Aug  8 14:08:11 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 20:08:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tomatoes
In-Reply-To: <B434C5A9-BE29-4509-9A7E-B40414D19EA2@me.com>
References: <PAXP191MB1981B0490D0F37617091232BA7F59@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <DB9PR08MB7049615846A6157C4B0DFC07D0F59@DB9PR08MB7049.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Hi, 

It sounds like Tomato  Blight. It happened to me one year. Its a fungus and it's been warm and wet which is ideal conditions.  Tomato and Potatoes are the same family so I think it's the same blight. Sorry its so disheartening! I did not get round to doing mine this year as it was so chilly I still had some delicate plants in the the green house clogging up the space. You will need to sterilise the greenhouse as the spores are buggers to get rid of. 

I am a keen gardener and I have rose bush that looks like a blow torch has been taken to it. The buds and leaves are all brown and withered. Any ideas on that too Its as if there has been a hot wind past it? 
take care
Sarax

> On 8 Aug 2021, at 20:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We used to have variable results from tomatoes in grow bags, but my wife reckoned that the soil was too shallow and watering was critical.  She bought some large plastic pots ( 8? or so ) and I cut most of the bottom out.
> 
> We gaffer over the holes, fill the pots with potting compost and start the seedlings going.  When they?re ready for outside, the gaffer tape comes off and the pots are plunged into grow bags.  Each plant has a decent amount of soil around it and there is plenty of room for the roots to spread out. Results have been consistently good so far.
> 
> My query to the panel is why do cherry trees get leaf curl?  We?ve sprayed them every winter, but the curl gets worse each year and we even get some of the hardwood dying off.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 8 Aug 2021, at 19:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?A question for the collective minds:
>> Our tomato plants, outside in Growbags as every year, were doing fine until about a week ago, when they suddenly turned brown, shrivelled, and died. My daughter Ellie lives in Chobham and has had the same thing. Tons of fruit looking promising, then suddenly turned brown and dropped off.
>> Any suggestions? They were watered carefully, fed with Tomorite in recommended dosage.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sun Aug  8 14:08:35 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sun, 8 Aug 2021 20:08:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tomatoes
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Our friends on the Isle of Wight have also had Tomato Blight this year, mostly with outdoor toms. Their collective opinion was that this year has been a rapidly alternating Heatwave/Drowning season. But it is a googleable fungal infection that thrives in warm wet conditions. Our indoor tomatoes were not affected by blight but were ruined by willing holiday waterers who thought one visit in the middle of the hottest week of the year was adequate. They are still alive, just, but have the tomato version of long covid. 

Peter Fox

On 8 Aug 2021, at 19:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?A question for the collective minds:
Our tomato plants, outside in Growbags as every year, were doing fine until about a week ago, when they suddenly turned brown, shrivelled, and died. My daughter Ellie lives in Chobham and has had the same thing. Tons of fruit looking promising, then suddenly turned brown and dropped off.
Any suggestions? They were watered carefully, fed with Tomorite in recommended dosage.
Cheers,
Nick.

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Aug  9 05:00:43 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 11:00:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
Message-ID: <82DCD35F-301D-4A5B-80F1-7DE99CAD869E@vincent68.plus.com>

Who was the BBC Safety Officer who cut his toe off with a Flymo?

John V


From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Aug  9 05:55:13 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 11:55:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.

Dave Buckley



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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Aug  9 05:58:23 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 11:58:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tomatoes
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Absolutely in agreement, Sara.

A classic description of tomato blight. In greenhouses it almost always 
a case of insufficient ventilation, coupled with a dose of bad luck.

We have a friend who has suffered it this year, for exactly those 
reasons. There's no cure, but cleaning out the greenhouse and keeping 
everything drier and better ventilated in future years usually works.

Rose problem - might be fire blight? That does affect the rose family.

Chris Woolf


On 08/08/2021 20:08, sara newman via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> It sounds like Tomato  Blight. It happened to me one year. Its a fungus and it's been warm and wet which is ideal conditions.  Tomato and Potatoes are the same family so I think it's the same blight. Sorry its so disheartening! I did not get round to doing mine this year as it was so chilly I still had some delicate plants in the the green house clogging up the space. You will need to sterilise the greenhouse as the spores are buggers to get rid of.
>
> I am a keen gardener and I have rose bush that looks like a blow torch has been taken to it. The buds and leaves are all brown and withered. Any ideas on that too Its as if there has been a hot wind past it?
> take care
> Sarax
>
>> On 8 Aug 2021, at 20:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> We used to have variable results from tomatoes in grow bags, but my wife reckoned that the soil was too shallow and watering was critical.  She bought some large plastic pots ( 8? or so ) and I cut most of the bottom out.
>>
>> We gaffer over the holes, fill the pots with potting compost and start the seedlings going.  When they?re ready for outside, the gaffer tape comes off and the pots are plunged into grow bags.  Each plant has a decent amount of soil around it and there is plenty of room for the roots to spread out. Results have been consistently good so far.
>>
>> My query to the panel is why do cherry trees get leaf curl?  We?ve sprayed them every winter, but the curl gets worse each year and we even get some of the hardwood dying off.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>> On 8 Aug 2021, at 19:49, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?A question for the collective minds:
>>> Our tomato plants, outside in Growbags as every year, were doing fine until about a week ago, when they suddenly turned brown, shrivelled, and died. My daughter Ellie lives in Chobham and has had the same thing. Tons of fruit looking promising, then suddenly turned brown and dropped off.
>>> Any suggestions? They were watered carefully, fed with Tomorite in recommended dosage.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  9 06:54:35 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 12:54:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
Barry.



On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.
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From jan.goldring at icloud.com  Mon Aug  9 07:00:50 2021
From: jan.goldring at icloud.com (Janis Goldring)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 13:00:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Fenna
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It must have been early in 1982 that I received the memo, ?You will report to Roger Fenna, Senior Cameraman on Crew 11 and take up duties as a Number 3 cameraman until further notice.?  A few days later, standing behind Ian Perry in the canteen queue (I was replacing him as he was moving to the News Crews in Lime Grove) he said ?I hear you?re going to Roger?s crew?.  I said yes I had had the memo.  He said four words I will never forget - ?You will enjoy it.?  Ian mate you were dead right!

On and off for nearly 10 years, because of Roger?s standing in L.E., I was privileged to work with the very best of producers and directors and because of his talents, charisma and dedication, he was responsible for guiding me and many others towards a better and more fulfilled career.

Further to that, after retirement we became great friends and he visited us in Spain several times (re photos) and attended both of our daughters? weddings.

Thank you my dear friend and God Bless You.

Peter and Janis Goldring.

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Aug  9 07:44:26 2021
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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2021 13:44:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  9 08:25:36 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 14:25:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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No, not Geoff Walmsey, although he was safety officer and a floor manager. (With all his toes!)
Barry.



On 9 Aug 2021, at 13:44, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> wrote:

> If not Jeff Walmsley? 
> 
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> 
> Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.
>> 
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Aug  9 09:10:44 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (david.jasma)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2021 15:10:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Barry Bonner got it right - it was Gavin Birkitt, although I'm also not sure of the spelling.Dave BuckleySent from my Galaxy
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Aug  9 09:45:43 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 15:45:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Talking of toe-cutting reminded me, of when I was but 7 yrs old, in Singapore with my Army father. We had a gardener who looked after our quarters. He didn?t use a Flymo, or conventional mower to cut the grass, but had a stick with the sharpened edge of an opened out cigarette tin nailed at the end.
He swung it around like a hockey stick, but my Dad was fearful of bits of toe, from the barefooted guy, would be flying off into the undergrowth!
Pat

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From: crew13 via Tech1
Sent: 09 August 2021 11:01
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Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

Who was the BBC Safety Officer who cut his toe off with a Flymo?

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 10:36:17 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:36:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with 
sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get a 
plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How we 
laughed.

B



On 09/08/2021 15:10, david.jasma via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Barry Bonner got it right - it was Gavin Birkitt, although I'm also 
> not sure of the spelling.
>
> Dave Buckley
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
> Date: 09/08/2021 13:44 (GMT+00:00)
> To: Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>, Dave Buckley 
> <david.jasma at sky.com>
> Cc: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>
> If not Jeff Walmsley?
>
> Paul Thackray
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> <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/>
>
> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Sent:* 9 August 2021 12:54
> *To:* david.jasma at sky.com
> *Reply to:* barrybonner119 at btinternet.com
> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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>
>
> Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
> Barry.
>
>
>
> On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
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>> He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.
>>
>> Dave Buckley
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Aug  9 10:46:25 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:46:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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I?m sure that everyone remembers the raid on the cash office at TVC (Silly place to site it!) It was thought it was a stunt for Bentine?s Square World!) Think the poor cashier got biffed on his nut.
Pat

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get a plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How we laughed.

B





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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Aug  9 10:57:02 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 15:57:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
In-Reply-To: <2A310747-88A0-4EFC-A09B-7AF6F6C8177C@btinternet.com>
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I?m trying to envisage how you could cut off just one toe with a Flymo. I?m guessing it wasn?t his middle toe?
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 9 Aug 2021, at 14:26, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? No, not Geoff Walmsey, although he was safety officer and a floor manager. (With all his toes!)
Barry.



On 9 Aug 2021, at 13:44, Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk<mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>> wrote:

If not Jeff Walmsley?


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Sent: 9 August 2021 12:54
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Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
Barry.



On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Aug  9 10:58:47 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:58:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
Message-ID: <8D6171CF-A883-442A-A193-B09862D462BD@vincent68.plus.com>

Who was the Union Safety Rep who tripped on loose carpet and fell down the stairs at his house. Did his back in or worse?

John V

Sent from my iPad


From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Aug  9 10:58:57 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 16:58:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Were those ring binders the Filofax sized ones?

I remember being issued with a BBC safety handbook which seemed to be of little interest, but by buying Filofax inserts, I ended up with an excellent address book and useful information file in the days before Filofax became ubiquitous.

Even though digital devices have now largely made Filofax redundant, I still use an old Filofax which has aluminium front and back covers.  It neatly fits inside the bag of my SQN mixer or digital recorder and apart from having specially printed logging sheets etc, it has some pages which are printed like double pages spreads in very bold lettering so that I can open it in shot to identify things like ?Wild Track? or Atmos Track? to make them obvious in post production. There are also other messages like ?Quiet Please?, ?We Are Recording?, ?No Entry - Filming? ?.  and some to hold up to the director during takes, such as ?Noises Off?, ?Traffic Noise? and ?Aircraft Noise?.

Alan Taylor



> On 9 Aug 2021, at 16:36, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get a plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How we laughed.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/08/2021 15:10, david.jasma via Tech1 wrote:
>> 
>> Barry Bonner got it right - it was Gavin Birkitt, although I'm also not sure of the spelling.
>> 
>> Dave Buckley
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>> Date: 09/08/2021 13:44 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>, Dave Buckley <david.jasma at sky.com>
>> Cc: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>> 
>> If not Jeff Walmsley? 
>> 
>> Paul Thackray 
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 
>> +44 7802 243979 
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk 
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk 
>> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>> 
>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 9 August 2021 12:54
>> To: david.jasma at sky.com
>> Reply to: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>> 
>> Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
>> Barry.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.
>>> 
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Mon Aug  9 12:02:56 2021
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:02:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Then there was the member of TVC restaurant staff who cut her big toe on the bacon slicer.

 

There?s  no prizes for working out how she managed to do that! 

 

Neil

 

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 09 August 2021 16:36
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

 

At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get a plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How we laughed.

B




On 09/08/2021 15:10, david.jasma via Tech1 wrote:

 

Barry Bonner got it right - it was Gavin Birkitt, although I'm also not sure of the spelling.

 

Dave Buckley

 

 

Sent from my Galaxy

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Paul Thackray  <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> 

Date: 09/08/2021 13:44 (GMT+00:00) 

To: Barry Bonner  <mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>, Dave Buckley  <mailto:david.jasma at sky.com> <david.jasma at sky.com> 

Cc: Tech Ops  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer 

 

If not Jeff Walmsley? 

 

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Sent: 9 August 2021 12:54

To: david.jasma at sky.com <mailto:david.jasma at sky.com> 

Reply to: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com <mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> 

Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

 

Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.

Barry.

 

 

On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:





He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Aug  9 13:07:46 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 18:07:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Ah, I can see how that might easily happen! There was a girl caled Angie at Wood Norton canteen who?.oh, well never mind.
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:03, Neil Dormand via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Then there was the member of TVC restaurant staff who cut her big toe on the bacon slicer.

There?s  no prizes for working out how she managed to do that!

Neil


From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 09 August 2021 16:36
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get a plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How we laughed.

B


On 09/08/2021 15:10, david.jasma via Tech1 wrote:

Barry Bonner got it right - it was Gavin Birkitt, although I'm also not sure of the spelling.

Dave Buckley


Sent from my Galaxy


-------- Original message --------
From: Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk><mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
Date: 09/08/2021 13:44 (GMT+00:00)
To: Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com><mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>, Dave Buckley <david.jasma at sky.com><mailto:david.jasma at sky.com>
Cc: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

If not Jeff Walmsley?


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Sent: 9 August 2021 12:54
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Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
Barry.


On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:


He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.

Dave Buckley



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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 13:13:23 2021
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 19:13:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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For a terrible moment there Nick I t hought you were going to crack the old gag about the butcher?s daughter who sat on the bacon slicer and got a little behind with her orders. Was Angie there in 1964? The name rings a faint tinkle foursome reason.

Geoff F



> On 9 Aug 2021, at 19:07, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Ah, I can see how that might easily happen! There was a girl caled Angie at Wood Norton canteen who?.oh, well never mind.
> N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:03, Neil Dormand via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Then there was the member of TVC restaurant staff who cut her big toe on the bacon slicer.
>>  
>> There?s  no prizes for working out how she managed to do that!
>>  
>> Neil
>>  
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>> Sent: 09 August 2021 16:36
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>>  
>> At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get a plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How we laughed.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 09/08/2021 15:10, david.jasma via Tech1 wrote:
>>  
>> Barry Bonner got it right - it was Gavin Birkitt, although I'm also not sure of the spelling.
>>  
>> Dave Buckley
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>  
>>  
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>> Date: 09/08/2021 13:44 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> <mailto:barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>, Dave Buckley <david.jasma at sky.com> <mailto:david.jasma at sky.com>
>> Cc: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>>  
>> If not Jeff Walmsley? 
>>  
>> Paul Thackray 
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 
>> +44 7802 243979 <tel:+447802243979> 
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk> 
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>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>>  
>> Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
>> Barry.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  9 13:34:00 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 19:34:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Observation
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Many years ago, in my gram-opping days I worked on a lovely Sunday 
afternoon program with Michael Hordern and Richard Briars. It was called 
'Tall Stories' and consisted of one of them telling a story? and the 
othe one trying to top it! It sort of reminds me of this news group, I 
can't think why! Cheers, Dave



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Aug  9 14:38:27 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 20:38:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Dunno about Angie, but there was one that Pete Hider, I think , and I were keen on.  She liked to come to the dances in the Evesham Club and always wanted a ?proper? dance with me. Maybe a Ballroom hold rather than jigging around! When mentioned to the ?Major? his reply was ?Oh, she?s just a little tart!? which signalled that he never got his leg over!
Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 09 August 2021 19:08
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

Ah, I can see how that might easily happen! There was a girl caled Angie at Wood Norton canteen who?.oh, well never mind.
N.
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 16:42:17 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2021 22:42:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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...and as the story goes, when the alarm went off, someone radioed the commissionaires on the main gate telling them to drop the barrier but they waved the getaway car through before doing it, not realising who they were,
Geoff

> On 9 Aug 2021, at 16:46, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?m sure that everyone remembers the raid on the cash office at TVC (Silly place to site it!) It was thought it was a stunt for Bentine?s Square World!) Think the poor cashier got biffed on his nut.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
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> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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> At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get a plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How we laughed.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 10 03:10:24 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 09:10:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
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Couldn?t be bettered as a ?Carry On? script!

Pat

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From: Geoffrey Hawkes
Sent: 09 August 2021 22:42
To: patheigham
Cc: Bernard Newnham; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer

...and as the story goes, when the alarm went off, someone radioed the commissionaires on the main gate telling them to drop the barrier but they waved the getaway car through before doing it, not realising who they were,
Geoff


On 9 Aug 2021, at 16:46, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
?
I?m sure that everyone remembers the raid on the cash office at TVC (Silly place to site it!) It was thought it was a stunt for Bentine?s Square World!) Think the poor cashier got biffed on his nut.
Pat
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 10 10:03:29 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:03:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
Message-ID: <0657ECB0-16E7-41EA-A893-828FB2DA92D8@me.com>

I had to fill in a form today and near the end was a question - Prove you?re not a robot : What is 2+2?  

I typed ?four? and my reply was rejected.  I think it?s pretty obvious who was the robot in that exchange.

Alan Taylor



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 10 10:39:39 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:39:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
In-Reply-To: <0657ECB0-16E7-41EA-A893-828FB2DA92D8@me.com>
References: <0657ECB0-16E7-41EA-A893-828FB2DA92D8@me.com>
Message-ID: <61129dba.1c69fb81.b6f7.7bee@mx.google.com>

Maybe you should have typed in ?4?

I get a lot of Captcha stuff, usually asking to click on pics of various things.

Pat


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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 10 August 2021 16:03
To: tech1
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha

I had to fill in a form today and near the end was a question - Prove you?re not a robot : What is 2+2?  

I typed ?four? and my reply was rejected.  I think it?s pretty obvious who was the robot in that exchange.

Alan Taylor





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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue Aug 10 10:53:58 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 16:53:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
In-Reply-To: <61129dba.1c69fb81.b6f7.7bee@mx.google.com>
References: <61129dba.1c69fb81.b6f7.7bee@mx.google.com>
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I read somewhere that the picture Captcha was to build a library of street images to help with autonomous vehicles.

Since all the ones I've seen are not RHD, seems it would only work in US.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 10 Aug 2021, at 16:40, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Maybe you should have typed in ?4?
>  
> I get a lot of Captcha stuff, usually asking to click on pics of various things.
>  
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 10 August 2021 16:03
> To: tech1
> Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
>  
> I had to fill in a form today and near the end was a question - Prove you?re not a robot : What is 2+2? 
>  
> I typed ?four? and my reply was rejected.  I think it?s pretty obvious who was the robot in that exchange.
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
>  
>  
> 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 11:42:59 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:42:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
In-Reply-To: <61129dba.1c69fb81.b6f7.7bee@mx.google.com>
References: <0657ECB0-16E7-41EA-A893-828FB2DA92D8@me.com>
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I often have to click on Captcha pictures, but I often get it wrong and
have to repeat with a new set of pictures. I often cannot make out if a
picture contains distant cars (or whatever they are asking me to click) as
the details are too small to be sure of what is supposed to be shown. So I
just click on the obvious pictures and have to repeat the process a few
times until the algorithm gives up and accepts me anyway. I've not
experimented, but I suspect that I could just click on random pictures and
the result might be the same.
KW


On Tue, 10 Aug 2021 at 16:40, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Maybe you should have typed in ?4?
>
>
>
> I get a lot of Captcha stuff, usually asking to click on pics of various
> things.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *10 August 2021 16:03
> *To: *tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Captcha
>
>
>
> I had to fill in a form today and near the end was a question - Prove
> you?re not a robot : What is 2+2?
>
>
>
> I typed ?four? and my reply was rejected.  I think it?s pretty obvious who
> was the robot in that exchange.
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Aug 10 11:57:44 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 17:57:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJn8PAQ-=zrbvo0KnULNE3cXLUmiRATgHK77iF=XKcBcrg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0657ECB0-16E7-41EA-A893-828FB2DA92D8@me.com><61129dba.1c69fb81.b6f7.7bee@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <0449B59BB88F4C2395063C30B76FFE0F@Gigabyte>

There was a joke Captcha a while ago. One for a cyclist to recognise a traffic signal.
They never got the correct answer. Presumably the cyclist didn?t know what a traffic signal was?

Mike

From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:42 PM
To: patheigham 
Cc: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Captcha

I often have to click on Captcha pictures, but I often get it wrong and have to repeat with a new set of pictures. I often cannot make out if a picture contains distant cars (or whatever they are asking me to click) as the details are too small to be sure of what is supposed to be shown. So I just click on the obvious pictures and have to repeat the process a few times until the algorithm gives up and accepts me anyway. I've not experimented, but I suspect that I could just click on random pictures and the result might be the same. 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Aug 10 12:11:29 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 18:11:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
In-Reply-To: <0449B59BB88F4C2395063C30B76FFE0F@Gigabyte>
References: <0657ECB0-16E7-41EA-A893-828FB2DA92D8@me.com><61129dba.1c69fb81.b6f7.7bee@mx.google.com><CAA=qGJn8PAQ-=zrbvo0KnULNE3cXLUmiRATgHK77iF=XKcBcrg@mail.gmail.com>
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Keith?s right about these Captcha pictures ? they?re often a complete pain, poor quality and very unclear as to whether there is or isn?t a bit of bus/cycle/traffic light/whatever in the image.

I think, Pat, Alan had probably sussed the four/4 angle and was deliberately tripping up the robotic idiot.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:57 PM
To: Keith Wicks ; patheigham 
Cc: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Captcha

There was a joke Captcha a while ago. One for a cyclist to recognise a traffic signal.
They never got the correct answer. Presumably the cyclist didn?t know what a traffic signal was?

Mike

From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:42 PM
To: patheigham 
Cc: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Captcha

I often have to click on Captcha pictures, but I often get it wrong and have to repeat with a new set of pictures. I often cannot make out if a picture contains distant cars (or whatever they are asking me to click) as the details are too small to be sure of what is supposed to be shown. So I just click on the obvious pictures and have to repeat the process a few times until the algorithm gives up and accepts me anyway. I've not experimented, but I suspect that I could just click on random pictures and the result might be the same. 
KW


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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Aug 10 14:33:38 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 20:33:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Captcha
In-Reply-To: <0FCD5F0FD22648948B4CB3B963407EDB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <0657ECB0-16E7-41EA-A893-828FB2DA92D8@me.com>
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Message-ID: <AA67FAEC-9CFF-4FAB-9789-91E8A8E189E7@mac.com>

I had it explained a while ago that the very fact of responding to the question is actually sufficient to prove that you are a real person, regardless of your responses, but they keep the myth alive by making it possible to get the answers wrong, so that you have to try again.

Occasionally no pictures follow the question and ticking the box is sufficient. 

Mike G



> On 10 Aug 2021, at 18:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Keith?s right about these Captcha pictures ? they?re often a complete pain, poor quality and very unclear as to whether there is or isn?t a bit of bus/cycle/traffic light/whatever in the image.
>  
> I think, Pat, Alan had probably sussed the four/4 angle and was deliberately tripping up the robotic idiot.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:57 PM
> To: Keith Wicks <> ; patheigham <>
> Cc: tech1 <>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Captcha
>  
> There was a joke Captcha a while ago. One for a cyclist to recognise a traffic signal.
> They never got the correct answer. Presumably the cyclist didn?t know what a traffic signal was?
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 <>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2021 5:42 PM
> To: patheigham <>
> Cc: tech1 <>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Captcha
>  
> I often have to click on Captcha pictures, but I often get it wrong and have to repeat with a new set of pictures. I often cannot make out if a picture contains distant cars (or whatever they are asking me to click) as the details are too small to be sure of what is supposed to be shown. So I just click on the obvious pictures and have to repeat the process a few times until the algorithm gives up and accepts me anyway. I've not experimented, but I suspect that I could just click on random pictures and the result might be the same.
> KW
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 10 14:38:40 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 20:38:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] SCAM ALERT NICK WHINES BBCPA
Message-ID: <0665B1DB-49B9-4FB3-B6E3-83DC77A09565@btinternet.com>

SCAM ALERT NICK WHINES
Nick Whines was the previous Membership Secretary of the BBCPA and his email has been compromised into asking for an Amazon Gift card to be bought or topped up. There may be similar scams proporting to be from Nick.
We have contacted Nick and he says his account has now been shut down so any emails from him are not genuine.

Hope this doesn?t cause sleepless nights

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 10 15:06:43 2021
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (Roger Bunce)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2021 21:06:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] SCAM ALERT NICK WHINES BBCPA
Message-ID: <A930A837-64A7-4949-A899-C338283BFAD5@btinternet.com>


?We got a previous email asking about Roger?s health (Roger Bunce) saying he?d heard he was unwell. 
We noticed that came from his email address at btinternet.com.
Would you ask him if that one was genuine.
We then got the other one, asking for an Amazon Gift card donation. That email address was an @outlook.com.

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Aug 2021, at 20:39, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?SCAM ALERT NICK WHINES
Nick Whines was the previous Membership Secretary of the BBCPA and his email has been compromised into asking for an Amazon Gift card to be bought or topped up. There may be similar scams proporting to be from Nick.
We have contacted Nick and he says his account has now been shut down so any emails from him are not genuine.

Hope this doesn?t cause sleepless nights

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed Aug 11 03:14:27 2021
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 09:14:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer & a theft
In-Reply-To: <e5e8d3ad-52f7-ef6e-45f5-c95e610b3d3a@gmail.com>
References: <61113789.1c69fb81.c2b6f.67d1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <88443d79-034f-ab2e-725c-d8cd51128bf4@howell61.f9.co.uk>

In the dim and distant past I had to report the theft of 6 Panasonic 
answer machines, highly desirable back then, the production? Crimewatch.

John H.



On 09/08/2021 16:36, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> At some point they issued a new safety manual in a ring binder, with 
> sharp plastic edges. I cut my finger and had to go to the nurse to get 
> a plaster. She had to write notes "cut finger on safety manual". How 
> we laughed.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 09/08/2021 15:10, david.jasma via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> Barry Bonner got it right - it was Gavin Birkitt, although I'm also 
>> not sure of the spelling.
>>
>> Dave Buckley
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>> Date: 09/08/2021 13:44 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com>, Dave Buckley 
>> <david.jasma at sky.com>
>> Cc: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>>
>> If not Jeff Walmsley?
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>> +44 7802 243979 <tel:+447802243979>
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk>
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 
>> <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746>
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ 
>> <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/>
>>
>> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Sent:* 9 August 2021 12:54
>> *To:* david.jasma at sky.com
>> *Reply to:* barrybonner119 at btinternet.com
>> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] BBC Safety Officer
>>
>>
>> Yes, Gavin Birkett (spelling?) methinks.
>> Barry.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 Aug 2021, at 11:55, Dave Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>> He was the safety officer for TVC - Gavin?? rings a bell.
>>>
>>> Dave Buckley
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From jan.goldring at icloud.com  Wed Aug 11 11:17:03 2021
From: jan.goldring at icloud.com (Janis Goldring)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 17:17:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Roger_Fenna=E2=80=99s_funeral?=
Message-ID: <589218B5-E6A9-464C-897E-7582F41FEF47@icloud.com>

It is on August 21st at 3.15 at Hereford crematorium in Westfaling road, Hereford, Herefordshire. The family are having a smaller ceremony at the same venue two hours earlier.  There is a ?wake? afterwards somewhere nearby but I don?t have details of the venue. We have booked a room at the Premier Inn as it is a long drive.

Janis Goldring.

Sent from my iPad

From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Wed Aug 11 12:53:42 2021
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 18:53:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] SCAM ALERT NICK WHINES BBCPA
In-Reply-To: <A930A837-64A7-4949-A899-C338283BFAD5@btinternet.com>
References: <A930A837-64A7-4949-A899-C338283BFAD5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <FFE615DF-B03E-432C-A4DB-F126578F0674@zero51.force9.co.uk>

rogerbunce at btinternet.com is a kosher address and he is unwell

Peter Fox

On 10 Aug 2021, at 21:07, Roger Bunce via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

?We got a previous email asking about Roger?s health (Roger Bunce) saying he?d heard he was unwell. 
We noticed that came from his email address at btinternet.com.
Would you ask him if that one was genuine.
We then got the other one, asking for an Amazon Gift card donation. That email address was an @outlook.com.

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Aug 2021, at 20:39, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?SCAM ALERT NICK WHINES
Nick Whines was the previous Membership Secretary of the BBCPA and his email has been compromised into asking for an Amazon Gift card to be bought or topped up. There may be similar scams proporting to be from Nick.
We have contacted Nick and he says his account has now been shut down so any emails from him are not genuine.

Hope this doesn?t cause sleepless nights

Albert

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From john at epi-centre.com  Wed Aug 11 13:48:24 2021
From: john at epi-centre.com (John Henshall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 19:48:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
Message-ID: <71836BC9-64CE-4782-AA9B-6DA6D06A1B61@epi-centre.com>



The  early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.

Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open? I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.

Thanx
John
 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Aug 11 14:00:29 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:00:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
In-Reply-To: <71836BC9-64CE-4782-AA9B-6DA6D06A1B61@epi-centre.com>
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As far as I?m aware, the first Sypher suite was the one in the Spur at TVC, which when others came along became known as Sypher 1.  Previous dubbing suites would have had another name.  I would guess that it might be something like ?Dubbing Suite?.

Sypher was a revolutionary step forward for television drama because the dubbing operation was done entirely by sound people, without the need for VT or Film people to be involved during the dubbing process.

Alan Taylor

> On 11 Aug 2021, at 19:49, John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> <Studio H TX sign small.jpg>
> 
> The  early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.
> 
> Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open? I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.
> 
> Thanx
> John
>  
> --
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Aug 11 14:02:53 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:02:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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Wasn?t it christened the Television Music Studio (TMS)? I spent a very instructive day there with Dickie Chamberlain.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> As far as I?m aware, the first Sypher suite was the one in the Spur at TVC, which when others came along became known as Sypher 1.  Previous dubbing suites would have had another name.  I would guess that it might be something like ?Dubbing Suite?.
> 
> Sypher was a revolutionary step forward for television drama because the dubbing operation was done entirely by sound people, without the need for VT or Film people to be involved during the dubbing process.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 19:49, John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> <Studio H TX sign small.jpg>
>> 
>> The  early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.
>> 
>> Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open? I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.
>> 
>> Thanx
>> John
>>  
>> --
>> John Henshall
>> Phone: +44 (0)1793 790 333 ? Mobile +44 (0)7836 263000
>> Wiki ? Vimeo ? eMail: john at epi-centre.com
>> 6 Divinity Close, Wanborough, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0EH, UK
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 11 14:34:07 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:34:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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The Keller was one system using 16mm film and sepmag, I think, a bit like a long Steenbeck.
It was at Lime grove next to Theatre 5

Albert

> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Wasn?t it christened the Television Music Studio (TMS)? I spent a very instructive day there with Dickie Chamberlain.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> As far as I?m aware, the first Sypher suite was the one in the Spur at TVC, which when others came along became known as Sypher 1.  Previous dubbing suites would have had another name.  I would guess that it might be something like ?Dubbing Suite?.
>> 
>> Sypher was a revolutionary step forward for television drama because the dubbing operation was done entirely by sound people, without the need for VT or Film people to be involved during the dubbing process.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 19:49, John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> <Studio H TX sign small.jpg>
>>> 
>>> The  early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.
>>> 
>>> Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open? I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.
>>> 
>>> Thanx
>>> John
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John Henshall
>>> Phone: +44 (0)1793 790 333 ? Mobile +44 (0)7836 263000
>>> Wiki ? Vimeo ? eMail: john at epi-centre.com
>>> 6 Divinity Close, Wanborough, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0EH, UK
>>> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Aug 11 14:48:41 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 11 14:55:16 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 20:55:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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Quite right, Graeme, TMS it was. Sypher suites were John-John's 
invention and were always in the Spur in TVC. The first and only one I 
worked in had a B/W Shibaden helical scan recorder and you had one pass 
only to do the business! I had to rescue a drama about a vicarage in the 
middle of a building site with diggers , drills etc. continously 
throughout which the previous gram op. had failed to add! It was not a 
happy dub! Liam Donnely, eat your heart out! Cheers, Dave

On 11/08/2021 20:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> Wasn?t it christened the Television Music Studio (TMS)? I spent a very instructive day there with Dickie Chamberlain.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> As far as I?m aware, the first Sypher suite was the one in the Spur at TVC, which when others came along became known as Sypher 1.  Previous dubbing suites would have had another name.  I would guess that it might be something like ?Dubbing Suite?.
>>
>> Sypher was a revolutionary step forward for television drama because the dubbing operation was done entirely by sound people, without the need for VT or Film people to be involved during the dubbing process.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 19:49, John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> <Studio H TX sign small.jpg>
>>>
>>> The  early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.
>>>
>>> Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open? I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.
>>>
>>> Thanx
>>> John
>>>   
>>> --
>>> John Henshall
>>> Phone: +44 (0)1793 790 333 ? Mobile +44 (0)7836 263000
>>> Wiki ? Vimeo ? eMail: john at epi-centre.com
>>> 6 Divinity Close, Wanborough, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0EH, UK
>>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 16:04:15 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 22:04:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW
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Roger Fenna?s Funeral.eml

Subject:
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Date:
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I am sorry but I made a mistake on the date - it is the 26th not 21st August - my apologies!
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Aug 11 17:04:22 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 23:04:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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Yes ~ it was TMS , the Television Music Studio. Only a restricted list of Sound Supervisors and Gram Ops were allowed to work there. It was superseded by a facility at TVC with the same name which was Tony Philpot?s baby, until the cash demons decided it wasn?t worth keeping and converted it to a dubbing suite whose name escapes me, which largely produced pres trails, if I remember correctly.

Mike G

> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Wasn?t it christened the Television Music Studio (TMS)? I spent a very instructive day there with Dickie Chamberlain.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> As far as I?m aware, the first Sypher suite was the one in the Spur at TVC, which when others came along became known as Sypher 1.  Previous dubbing suites would have had another name.  I would guess that it might be something like ?Dubbing Suite?.
>> 
>> Sypher was a revolutionary step forward for television drama because the dubbing operation was done entirely by sound people, without the need for VT or Film people to be involved during the dubbing process.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 19:49, John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> <Studio H TX sign small.jpg>
>>> 
>>> The  early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.
>>> 
>>> Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open? I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.
>>> 
>>> Thanx
>>> John
>>> 
>>> --
>>> John Henshall
>>> Phone: +44 (0)1793 790 333 ? Mobile +44 (0)7836 263000
>>> Wiki ? Vimeo ? eMail: john at epi-centre.com
>>> 6 Divinity Close, Wanborough, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0EH, UK
>>> 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 17:20:00 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2021 23:20:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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The main studio area eventually became TC0.  Virtual reality green screen 
shows and things like Liquid News and CBBC material.



-----Original Message----- 
From: M E GILES via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 11:04 PM
To: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] H is for History

Yes ~ it was TMS , the Television Music Studio. Only a restricted list of 
Sound Supervisors and Gram Ops were allowed to work there. It was superseded 
by a facility at TVC with the same name which was Tony Philpot?s baby, until 
the cash demons decided it wasn?t worth keeping and converted it to a 
dubbing suite whose name escapes me, which largely produced pres trails, if 
I remember correctly.

Mike G




From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 12 03:35:13 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:35:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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Breakfast Time needed a film dubbing suite, and that was built in Studio 
G at the gallery end.? I always thought that the "lines of light" 
display of which tracks had material was fun.

At the other wider end P and ID built the gallery and cabling of Pres A 
in - I think - 1982 so that the strip out and rebuild would be as quick 
as possible. We Pres people were invited to go and play so that it ended 
up the way we wanted it.

B



On 11/08/2021 23:04, M E GILES via Tech1 wrote:
> Yes ~ it was TMS , the Television Music Studio. Only a restricted list of Sound Supervisors and Gram Ops were allowed to work there. It was superseded by a facility at TVC with the same name which was Tony Philpot?s baby, until the cash demons decided it wasn?t worth keeping and converted it to a dubbing suite whose name escapes me, which largely produced pres trails, if I remember correctly.
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Wasn?t it christened the Television Music Studio (TMS)? I spent a very instructive day there with Dickie Chamberlain.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 20:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> As far as I?m aware, the first Sypher suite was the one in the Spur at TVC, which when others came along became known as Sypher 1.  Previous dubbing suites would have had another name.  I would guess that it might be something like ?Dubbing Suite?.
>>>
>>> Sypher was a revolutionary step forward for television drama because the dubbing operation was done entirely by sound people, without the need for VT or Film people to be involved during the dubbing process.
>>>
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>
>>>> On 11 Aug 2021, at 19:49, John Henshall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> <Studio H TX sign small.jpg>
>>>>
>>>> The  early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.
>>>>
>>>> Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open? I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.
>>>>
>>>> Thanx
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Henshall
>>>> Phone: +44 (0)1793 790 333 ? Mobile +44 (0)7836 263000
>>>> Wiki ? Vimeo ? eMail: john at epi-centre.com
>>>> 6 Divinity Close, Wanborough, Swindon, Wiltshire, SN4 0EH, UK
>>>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Aug 12 03:37:08 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:37:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
Message-ID: <41388AB2-836E-4C01-A464-FEE20E4D5ED7@mac.com>

For the avoidance of doubt by those unfamiliar, Dave, you are saying that TC0 was what became of TMS at TVC, as opposed to Studio H which had been demolished by then, along with the rest of Lime Grove studios - how discouraging that so much of our working lives has ended in brick dust and rubble! And now there is a chronic shortage of studio space. 

Mike G

> On 12 Aug 2021, at 03:34, David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 


From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 12 05:58:46 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 11:58:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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Yeah, sorry. I meant the old TMS music studio in TV Centre. Renamed to TC0 
in the last decade of it's life.

There's rumblings that the BBC are now going to sell off Elstree and lease 
back the studios and lot from the buyers for EastEnders. I guess with Holby 
ending soon there'd be space available for other shows - so why not fill it 
with BBC ones instead of hiring Pinewood and the like?

A crazy situation when they're the only major BBC studios in the London area 
outside the rooms in Broadcasting House.  Did the sale of TV Centre not tell 
them anything?




-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:37 AM
To: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] H is for History

For the avoidance of doubt by those unfamiliar, Dave, you are saying that 
TC0 was what became of TMS at TVC, as opposed to Studio H which had been 
demolished by then, along with the rest of Lime Grove studios - how 
discouraging that so much of our working lives has ended in brick dust and 
rubble! And now there is a chronic shortage of studio space.

Mike G

> On 12 Aug 2021, at 03:34, David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 12 06:08:44 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 12:08:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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Sadly, those in charge of production seem to know little of how it should be done. (viz: The Wizard of Oz ? the producers wanted to cut ?Over the Rainbow? but the cinema going public loved it!)
Last Monday I was talking to (now retired) senior Post Production Mixer, Graham Hartstone, who mentioned that it was difficult to run a post session, because of construction noise ? apparently new stages are being built.

Pat (glad he?s out of it, now!)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Brunt via Tech1
Sent: 12 August 2021 11:59
To: Mike Giles; Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] H is for History

Yeah, sorry. I meant the old TMS music studio in TV Centre. Renamed to TC0 
in the last decade of it's life.

There's rumblings that the BBC are now going to sell off Elstree and lease 
back the studios and lot from the buyers for EastEnders. I guess with Holby 
ending soon there'd be space available for other shows - so why not fill it 
with BBC ones instead of hiring Pinewood and the like?

A crazy situation when they're the only major BBC studios in the London area 
outside the rooms in Broadcasting House.  Did the sale of TV Centre not tell 
them anything?




-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 9:37 AM
To: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] H is for History

For the avoidance of doubt by those unfamiliar, Dave, you are saying that 
TC0 was what became of TMS at TVC, as opposed to Studio H which had been 
demolished by then, along with the rest of Lime Grove studios - how 
discouraging that so much of our working lives has ended in brick dust and 
rubble! And now there is a chronic shortage of studio space.

Mike G




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 12 06:28:26 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 12:28:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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Hi John, For a moment I wondered if you were referring to Studio R in LG, a dedicated sound prep place, where I used to spend most Wednesday afternoons for Dr. Who. It had three Leevers-Rich tape machines, a small studio and a smaller mixing desk ? tie lines to CAR meant that we could dub Ampex tapes and add music and FX over edits.
I never worked in H, and my only knowledge is from the ?This is the BBC? documentary. TMS must have come along well after I left, as did Sypher. In my time the Music studio was the former scoring stage in Riverside. It used to have 2x BTR 2?s, which were replaced by Studers. (very irritating when people used to wander in and press the scissors button, chopping the tape). This cut the tape at a 60 degree angle which didn?t match the EMI blocks that all gram ops carried!
?Transmission? - I do recall the article in one of the radio magazines that described an intimate performance but couched in technical radio terms. The final instruction was ?after transmission, unplug and let all surplus juice run to Earth?
Think I?ve got a version somewhere, but it?s not quite the one I remember.

Best
Pat

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Subject: [Tech1] H is for History



The ?early 1950s TRANSMISSION sign from BBC Studio H Lime Grove, rescued from the skip when the studio was being converted into a sound dubbing suite (late 1960s?) Now in its new case, backlit by a LED striplight. A piece of real televisual history from the days when television was always 'live'. 'In Town Tonight' was one of the programmes which came from Studio H before it became the experimental colour studio after Alexandra Palace.

Can any of you knowledgeable sound guys who weren?t still at school back then throw any further light on Studio H please?Other programmes from H? What was the sound dubbing studio called? (Sypher?) When did it actually open??I want to put a label on the back of the sign with all the details for posterity.

Thanx
John
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From paulvictork at uwclub.net  Thu Aug 12 14:35:16 2021
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Aug 14 08:04:01 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 14:04:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV film
Message-ID: <6117bf41.1c69fb81.48480.8f60@mx.google.com>

I see that today, BBC2 is showing ?Viva Las Vegas?
That reminds me of when I stayed with a schoolfriend from prep school days. His mother was desperate to find something to amuse us, so suggested we went by bus to the local Essoldo cinema, which was showing that particular Presley film.
Except she pronounced it ?Viva Lah Vegah?!

Pat 

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From david.jasma at sky.com  Sat Aug 14 11:51:09 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 17:51:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] H is for History
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For an history of studio H, LG, have a look at

http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/old%20bbc%20studios.htm#lime

and work your way down to studio H.

The information about the use of the area states...'In 1967, studio H 
was converted into a sound only recording studio.  It was known as the 
Television Music Studio (TMS) and became busy recording everything from 
theme tunes to backing tracks for variety shows.  Previously the dubbing 
theatre at Riverside had been used for this work.'
This should answer John's question about what the sound studio was 
called and how it was used.

Dave Buckley

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Aug 14 13:02:32 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:02:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 14 13:13:14 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:13:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Looking at the forward schedules it?s the same for the two weeks after that as well (except weekends).

Isn?t it just what they did when the Victoria Derbyshire Show was being shown?  An hour of that surrounded by an hour or so of news each end? 



From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2021 7:02 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Aug 14 14:24:22 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2021 20:24:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Maybe this is a sop to night workers who might like to view the news ( we have to cater for them!!)

My moan about repeats stems from Radio 4 Extra.
This seems to operate on an 8hr repeat programming.
I tend to listen through the night to R4Ex, and find it irritating that 8hrs later I?m treated to the same programme heard hours earlier.
I reckon it?s lazy scheduling, or someone is not concerned enough to construct a 24hr schedule with different material throughout the day.
Yes ? it?s useful if one has missed something, but it?s possible to pick those up via BBC Sounds, which is like iPlayer, and is announced to death on the inter-programme breaks (which, by the way is never programme specific, but cleverly written to  apply across the board).
Bah, Humbug!
Pat



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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
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Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Aug 15 02:42:38 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 08:42:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
> Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
> Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
>  
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Aug 15 03:25:37 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 09:25:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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The thlot pickens!

Having got all the irrelevant pages/covers back out of the waste recycling bin, I see my copy is front cover labelled London/Anglia/Midlands but that is the one with BBC2 News all morning.
I can?t risk resetting the RT online page as it might loose all the unwanted channels being excepted.
Will have to wait with bated breath till 0900 Monday to see what happens!!
Bring back Radio Times as published in Marylebone High Street (with decent canteen and pubs on way from BH)
We in London have been the lucky (?) followers of South East local news from Tonbridge Wells or some outpost at times during lockdown with occasional items about London itself and I understand from comments on this group previously that the whole UK has been redistributed to cope with lack of staff.

Mike

From: Alasdair Lawrance 
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 8:42 AM
To: Mike Jordan 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.


Alasdair Lawrance 

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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Sun Aug 15 04:35:39 2021
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:35:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New Book
Message-ID: <000001d791b8$e905f250$bb11d6f0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

This review of a recently published book - The Magic Box, might be of
interest - https://tinyurl.com/yguowrp8

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 15 04:54:25 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 10:54:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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My copy of RT (same version) does list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm, with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.
Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.
The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!
Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores, though. I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had worked on a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain during one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!

I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an Ampex machine.
Regards
Pat

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From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: 15 August 2021 08:42
To: Mike Jordan
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August) ?shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.
Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.




On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
?
Mike



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 05:00:14 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 11:00:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New material
Message-ID: <72f8d85e-d893-94f0-8b24-2b322e079ae6@gmail.com>


http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/08/a-goodbye-tc-from-the-one-show/

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/08/david-brook-sent-these-pictures/

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/08/brian-balshaw-4/
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 15 05:18:49 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 11:18:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Digital rights
Message-ID: <6118ea09.1c69fb81.a81d.7bda@mx.google.com>

As a sort of follow up to the Olympic TV coverage and broadcast rights issue, I was very taken with the stage show of ?42nd Street? and took a number of friends to see it as my 75th birthday celebration.
Bob Foley discovered that it had been filmed (8 cameras in 4K)
and it was to be streamed by Broadway HD, a US based server.
So, bought a month?s subscription, only to get the message that due to Digital Rights Management (DRM) it was unavailable outside North America and Mexico. Changed my VPN to Chicago, then Boston. Neither worked, and I realised that my Amex card, used for the subscription was issued in the UK, so that rowed me out!
However much later, it was streamed by YouTube over two nights and a very good high quality download was achieved.
I now have both DVD and BluRay versions.
There is now a commercial release on BluRay, which I?ve also obtained, the only difference being that the latter version has chapter points for the music numbers and a choice of Dolby 2:0 or 5:1 Surround. Can?t imagine that the surround would only offer the auditorium PA? The mix was done at Pinewood, but I don?t know the mixer, so can?t ask him.
I?m surprised that Michael Grade didn?t latch on to the DVD release earlier ? it could have been sold from the foyer shop for the remaining performances until the show closed.

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Pat

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 15 05:36:55 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 11:36:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New Book
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Hi Rob,
	Looks very interesting I will invest in a copy. He mentions ?The Stone Tape? as being very frightening. It was to work on as well, although my diary entry doesn?t really reflect that!
Barry.


On 15 Aug 2021, at 10:35, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> This review of a recently published book ? The Magic Box, might be of interest ? https://tinyurl.com/yguowrp8
>  
> Rob
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 15 05:53:32 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 11:53:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New Book
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Interesting that the review mentions ?Year of the Sex Olympics?. I was Grams Operator on that, and it was quite an undertaking, since it was a ?show within a show? so a double load as it were.
Although it was in colour, the only version I managed to obtain was a B/W DVD from the BFI, which cost a fortune. I don?t think that BBC Archives have a colour recording.

I was able to obtain from Archives, as a contributor, DVD?s of a series I recorded the sound for, but again they were expensive. Worth it though, as I had inadvertently over-recorded my off-air VHS tapes and the BBC DVD?s struck from the transmission masters were thankfully free of the continuity interference at the end of each episode!
Best
Pat

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From: Robert Miles via Tech1
Sent: 15 August 2021 10:35
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] New Book

This review of a recently published book ? The Magic Box, might be of interest ? https://tinyurl.com/yguowrp8

Rob





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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Aug 15 05:55:02 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 11:55:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New Book
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Sounds fascinating.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Aug 2021, at 10:35, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This review of a recently published book ? The Magic Box, might be of interest ? https://tinyurl.com/yguowrp8
>  
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Aug 15 06:44:13 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 12:44:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New material
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Brian Balshaw?s pictures are probably Ascot.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 15 Aug 2021, at 11:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/08/a-goodbye-tc-from-the-one-show/
> 
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/08/david-brook-sent-these-pictures/
> 
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2021/08/brian-balshaw-4/
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 08:05:15 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:05:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
In-Reply-To: <6118e451.1c69fb81.57875.84ad@mx.google.com>
References: <9039FCD0A3D945B79EE69A97EC3C93CE@Gigabyte>
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I'm in London. My current Radio Times shows News from 0900-1300 on BBC2 on
all weekdays. It doesn't affect me as I don't watch live TV in the
mornings, and I've no idea what BBC2 used to broadcast at those times.
KW


On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 10:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> My copy of RT (same version) *does* list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm,
> with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.
>
> Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.
>
> The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the
> explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the
> IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced
> earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!
>
> Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores, though.
> I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had worked on
> a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain during
> one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!
>
>
>
> I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing
> some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT
> guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an
> Ampex machine.
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> Pat
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>
> Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime
> stuff on BBC 2.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
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>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
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> On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
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> ?
>
> I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News?
> from 0900 ? 1300.
>
> Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash
> somehow?
>
> Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 08:15:59 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:15:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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The Digiguide lists shows the News all morning schedule has been in place since last Christmas (with the rare absences for Snooker/Wimbledon and the like). 

I doubt it?s going to change anytime soon.





From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:05 PM
To: patheigham 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

I'm in London. My current Radio Times shows News from 0900-1300 on BBC2 on all weekdays. It doesn't affect me as I don't watch live TV in the mornings, and I've no idea what BBC2 used to broadcast at those times.
KW


On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 10:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  My copy of RT (same version) does list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm, with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.

  Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.

  The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!

  Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores, though. I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had worked on a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain during one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!



  I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an Ampex machine.

  Regards

  Pat



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  From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
  Sent: 15 August 2021 08:42
  To: Mike Jordan
  Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel



  Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.

  Alasdair Lawrance



  Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.









    On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    ? 

    I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.

    Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?

    Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?



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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Sun Aug 15 08:54:02 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 14:54:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Hasn?t this been the case since they axed the Victoria Derbyshire show? That was simulcast on the News Channel anyway but had poor viewing figures. I believe that it?s a combination of cost and staffing issues related to COVID.
re Olympics- it wasn?t simply a matter of cost. The IOC wanted to sell the European rights to one organisation who could then sublease bits to individual broadcasters. Discovery (Eurosport) was ideally placed to do this and could then dictate terms. 

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 15 Aug 2021, at 14:16, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The Digiguide lists shows the News all morning schedule has been in place since last Christmas (with the rare absences for Snooker/Wimbledon and the like). 
> 
> I doubt it?s going to change anytime soon.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:05 PM
> To: patheigham
> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
>  
> I'm in London. My current Radio Times shows News from 0900-1300 on BBC2 on all weekdays. It doesn't affect me as I don't watch live TV in the mornings, and I've no idea what BBC2 used to broadcast at those times.
> KW
>  
>  
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 10:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> My copy of RT (same version) does list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm, with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.
>> 
>> Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.
>> 
>> The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!
>> 
>> Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores, though. I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had worked on a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain during one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an Ampex machine.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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>> 
>> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
>> Sent: 15 August 2021 08:42
>> To: Mike Jordan
>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>> 
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>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
>> 
>> Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
>> 
>> Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mike
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 15 11:12:03 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 17:12:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Freelance travels
Message-ID: <61193cd3.1c69fb81.e74d2.f1e7@mx.google.com>

I like to give presents to some of friends? grandchildren ? not having any of my own. One I have obtained is a ?Create your Own World Map?
As an exercise, I wondered if they could mark up where I had been on filming jaunts.
Building the list, I surprised myself at the number of locations.
(attached). No doubt there are cameramen and sound guys with equal or better tales.
All this could not have been achieved had I remained at TVC, I count myself extremely lucky to have visited these places, some of which gave rise to stories previously posted!
I am very grateful to the BBC for the training that enabled me to get the jobs.
Regards
Pat

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From saranewman at hotmail.com  Sun Aug 15 12:20:36 2021
From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 17:20:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Freelance travels
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Hi, That?s impressive but I notice you never made it to the sunny uplands of Royal TunbridgeWells ! Which place apart from Iceland was the most surprising? Sarax

Sent from my iPad

On 15 Aug 2021, at 17:12, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I like to give presents to some of friends? grandchildren ? not having any of my own. One I have obtained is a ?Create your Own World Map?
As an exercise, I wondered if they could mark up where I had been on filming jaunts.
Building the list, I surprised myself at the number of locations.
(attached). No doubt there are cameramen and sound guys with equal or better tales.
All this could not have been achieved had I remained at TVC, I count myself extremely lucky to have visited these places, some of which gave rise to stories previously posted!
I am very grateful to the BBC for the training that enabled me to get the jobs.
Regards
Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 15 12:46:57 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2021 18:46:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Freelance travels
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Yes, Tunbridge Wells never featured, but maybe I should have included Maidstone as I worked for TVS on occasions.
Maybe Australia was most interesting after Iceland ? our PA said that she had been in Oz for nine days and hadn?t yet seen a sensible animal! This started a discussion (after a few tinnys) that maybe the Almighty had created South America first, got stoned on whatever, and then set about Australia!
I did manage to tickle the ears of a kangaroo, but it was lying in its scrape and not bouncing around!

Pat


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From: Sara Newman
Sent: 15 August 2021 18:20
To: patheigham
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Freelance travels

Hi, That?s impressive but I notice you never made it to the sunny uplands of Royal TunbridgeWells ! Which place apart from Iceland was the most surprising? Sarax?
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From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 16 04:16:32 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 10:16:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Freelance travels
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Walking through the yard in BBC Bristol Whiteladies rd site in the mid 80s , I spotted a v large plaster Globe in the skip.
This was was the model used in the opening titles of Attenboroughs ?Planet Earth?
I took it home, it was 36? wide, the idea was the Kids would mark all the countries I visited.
That total was about 88, but they were never annotated to that massive Globe, which gathered dust and got lost in the next move.
Thats showbiz.

> On 15 Aug 2021, at 18:20, Sara Newman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi, That?s impressive but I notice you never made it to the sunny uplands of Royal TunbridgeWells ! Which place apart from Iceland was the most surprising? Sarax 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 15 Aug 2021, at 17:12, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I like to give presents to some of friends? grandchildren ? not having any of my own. One I have obtained is a ?Create your Own World Map?
>> As an exercise, I wondered if they could mark up where I had been on filming jaunts.
>> Building the list, I surprised myself at the number of locations.
>> (attached). No doubt there are cameramen and sound guys with equal or better tales.
>> All this could not have been achieved had I remained at TVC, I count myself extremely lucky to have visited these places, some of which gave rise to stories previously posted!
>> I am very grateful to the BBC for the training that enabled me to get the jobs.
>> Regards
>> Pat
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 16 05:01:45 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 11:01:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mementos Found of good shoots
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Dear All
The note on "found objects?globe" coincided with the enclosed.
All productions find fun and this celebration of a lovely shoot came to light the other day. Anyone with more mementos?
Albert

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 16 05:59:36 2021
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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 11:59:36 +0100
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A notice we put on the SCR door as we felt Pudsey may have been deaf as well!

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On 16 Aug 2021, at 11:01, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear All
> The note on "found objects?globe" coincided with the enclosed.
> All productions find fun and this celebration of a lovely shoot came to light the other day. Anyone with more mementos?
> Albert
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Aug 16 06:08:43 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 12:08:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Just had a look, and BBC2 is, in fact, showing News.

RT, as I said earlier, is showing normal kind of stuff, not that I watch during the day, still theoretically doing a job.

Seems a bit of a snafu to me.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 15 Aug 2021, at 14:15, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The Digiguide lists shows the News all morning schedule has been in place since last Christmas (with the rare absences for Snooker/Wimbledon and the like). 
> 
> I doubt it?s going to change anytime soon.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:05 PM
> To: patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>
> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
>  
> I'm in London. My current Radio Times shows News from 0900-1300 on BBC2 on all weekdays. It doesn't affect me as I don't watch live TV in the mornings, and I've no idea what BBC2 used to broadcast at those times.
> KW
>  
>  
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 10:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> My copy of RT (same version) does list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm, with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.
>> Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.
>> The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!
>> Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores, though. I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had worked on a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain during one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!
>>  
>> I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an Ampex machine.
>> Regards
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>  
>> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: 15 August 2021 08:42
>> To: Mike Jordan <mailto:mikej at bmanor.co.uk>
>> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
>> 
>>  
>> Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.
>> 
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>  
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
>>> Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
>>> Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
>>>  
>>> Mike
>>  
>> 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 06:41:01 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 12:41:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Does this mean that apparently identical issues of Radio Times may have
different contents? That's not impossible as, recently, my wife
accidentally bought a second copy of a Radio Times because it had a
different cover from the first (5-11 June 2021 with Ant and Dec, or Oti and
Jay, on the covers.) Both were for the London/Anglia/Midlands areas. If
covers are sometimes changed, then I imagine the contents might sometimes
be different too. But why?
KW

On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 at 12:08, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:

> Just had a look, and BBC2 is, in fact, showing News.
>
> RT, as I said earlier, is showing normal kind of stuff, not that I watch
> during the day, still theoretically doing a job.
>
> Seems a bit of a snafu to me.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
> alawrance1 at me.com
>
>
> *Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 Aug 2021, at 14:15, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> The Digiguide lists shows the News all morning schedule has been in place
> since last Christmas (with the rare absences for Snooker/Wimbledon and the
> like).
>
> I doubt it?s going to change anytime soon.
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:05 PM
> *To:* patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
>
> I'm in London. My current Radio Times shows News from 0900-1300 on BBC2 on
> all weekdays. It doesn't affect me as I don't watch live TV in the
> mornings, and I've no idea what BBC2 used to broadcast at those times.
> KW
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 10:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> My copy of RT (same version) *does* list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm,
>> with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.
>> Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.
>> The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the
>> explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the
>> IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced
>> earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!
>> Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores,
>> though. I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had
>> worked on a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain
>> during one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!
>>
>> I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing
>> some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT
>> guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an
>> Ampex machine.
>> Regards
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows
>>
>>
>> *From: *Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *15 August 2021 08:42
>> *To: *Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>
>> *Cc: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
>>
>>
>> Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime
>> stuff on BBC 2.
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News?
>> from 0900 ? 1300.
>> Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save
>> cash somehow?
>> Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Aug 16 07:01:42 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:01:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Apart from different covers, probably unlikely that the inside pages would be different. My regular posted RT was sadly delayed last week ? probably due to local staff shortages at the Royal Mail delivery office. Our usual postie doesn?t drive, so could not do his ?walk? as Covid prevented more than one person in the little van. I want Postman Pat?s b/w cat, as mice have been detected in my loft!
(as it?s fairly certain that the virus originated from China, it?s ironic that the test kits are also made there!)
Pat

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From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 16 August 2021 12:41
To: Alasdair Lawrance
Cc: David Brunt; patheigham; Tech Ops List
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

Does this mean that apparently identical issues of Radio Times may have different contents? That's not impossible as, recently, my wife accidentally bought a second copy of a Radio Times because it had a different cover from the first (5-11 June 2021 with Ant and Dec, or Oti and Jay, on the covers.) Both were for the London/Anglia/Midlands areas. If covers are sometimes changed, then I imagine the contents might sometimes be different too. But why?
KW

On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 at 12:08, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:
Just had a look, and BBC2 is, in fact, showing News.

RT, as I said earlier, is showing normal kind of stuff, not that I watch during the day, still theoretically doing a job.

Seems a bit of a snafu to me.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










On 15 Aug 2021, at 14:15, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

The Digiguide lists shows the News all morning schedule has been in place since last Christmas (with the rare absences for Snooker/Wimbledon and the like). 

I doubt it?s going to change anytime soon.


?
From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:05 PM
To: patheigham 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
?
I'm in London. My current Radio Times shows News from 0900-1300 on BBC2 on all weekdays. It doesn't affect me as I don't watch live TV in the mornings, and I've no idea what BBC2 used to broadcast at those times.
KW
?
?
On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 10:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
My copy of RT (same version) does list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm, with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.
Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.
The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!
Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores, though. I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had worked on a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain during one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!
?
I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an Ampex machine.
Regards
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows
?
From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
Sent: 15 August 2021 08:42
To: Mike Jordan
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
?
Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)? shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.
Alasdair Lawrance
?
Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
?
?

On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.
Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?
Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?
?
Mike
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 07:22:25 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:22:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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The Welsh RT also includes S4C in a sidebar and includes all the (many) BBC Wales and ITV Wales opt outs on the main listings pages in place of the network shows.  

I?d assume the Scottish edition does similar for BBC Alba and the like.

David




From: patheigham 
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 1:01 PM
To: Keith Wicks ; Alasdair Lawrance 
Cc: David Brunt ; Tech Ops List 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

Apart from different covers, probably unlikely that the inside pages would be different. My regular posted RT was sadly delayed last week ? probably due to local staff shortages at the Royal Mail delivery office. Our usual postie doesn?t drive, so could not do his ?walk? as Covid prevented more than one person in the little van. I want Postman Pat?s b/w cat, as mice have been detected in my loft!

(as it?s fairly certain that the virus originated from China, it?s ironic that the test kits are also made there!)

Pat

 

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From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 16 August 2021 12:41
To: Alasdair Lawrance
Cc: David Brunt; patheigham; Tech Ops List
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

 

Does this mean that apparently identical issues of Radio Times may have different contents? That's not impossible as, recently, my wife accidentally bought a second copy of a Radio Times because it had a different cover from the first (5-11 June 2021 with Ant and Dec, or Oti and Jay, on the covers.) Both were for the London/Anglia/Midlands areas. If covers are sometimes changed, then I imagine the contents might sometimes be different too. But why?

KW

 

On Mon, 16 Aug 2021 at 12:08, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:

  Just had a look, and BBC2 is, in fact, showing News.

   

  RT, as I said earlier, is showing normal kind of stuff, not that I watch during the day, still theoretically doing a job.

   

  Seems a bit of a snafu to me.

   

  Alasdair Lawrance
  alawrance1 at me.com

  Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.














    On 15 Aug 2021, at 14:15, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

     

    The Digiguide lists shows the News all morning schedule has been in place since last Christmas (with the rare absences for Snooker/Wimbledon and the like). 

    I doubt it?s going to change anytime soon.




     

    From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 

    Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2021 2:05 PM

    To: patheigham 

    Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 

    Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

     

    I'm in London. My current Radio Times shows News from 0900-1300 on BBC2 on all weekdays. It doesn't affect me as I don't watch live TV in the mornings, and I've no idea what BBC2 used to broadcast at those times.

    KW

     

     

    On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 at 10:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

      My copy of RT (same version) does list BBC News from 9:00 to 1 pm, with, on some days, an alternative Red button Athletics.

      Red button seems to be part of iPlayer now.

      The letters page carries some criticism of the Olympic coverage, with the explanation that BBC did not have full European transmission rights, as the IOC had sold out to Discovery (Eurosport 1 & 2), so the comment voiced earlier that the Corp has run out of money would appear to be the case!

      Still annoyed that there was no camera shot of the judges? scores, though. I?m not a great sports lover, but watched some gymnastics, (I had worked on a documentary about Nadia Comaneci for ABC NY), and oh! that rain during one of the track events, and the massive pile-up from the velodrome!

       

      I have one of the Christmas tapes where Suzi Quatro was persuaded to sing some different lyrics on rehearsal: ?He?s a Sports PA!? Brilliant. The VT guys started making their own spoofs, and got a Dalek in to chat up an Ampex machine.

      Regards

      Pat

       

      Sent from Mail for Windows

       

      From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
      Sent: 15 August 2021 08:42
      To: Mike Jordan
      Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
      Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel

       

      Our RT (London/Anglia/Midlands, 14 - 20 August)  shows the usual daytime stuff on BBC 2.

      Alasdair Lawrance

       

      Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.

       

       

       

        On 14 Aug 2021, at 19:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

        ? 

        I see from Radio Times that EVERY day next week, BBC2 carries ?BBC News? from 0900 ? 1300.

        Is this because they have run out of repeated repeats or just to save cash somehow?

        Do you think it is a copy of BBC News channel or a modified version?

         

        Mike

       

       




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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Aug 16 07:43:42 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021 13:43:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC2 news channel
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Well, that would be pretty pointless, Pat. 
I think you?ll find there are several differences, not least of which is the local radio listings. 


Peter
>  
> From: patheigham
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 1:01 PM
> To: Keith Wicks ; Alasdair Lawrance
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 17 02:30:14 2021
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:30:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
Message-ID: <326B7010-EFA3-45E5-9C3F-BC9DDCB7A5BF@btinternet.com>

Winter 2021 - 2022 will be a memorable one for those that love the cold and the snow

It will be one that sets in earlier than any we have seen for the previous 10 winters and will rival 2010 for severity, and surpass it for longevity.

From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Aug 17 02:38:54 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 08:38:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles "our World" statue
Message-ID: <D2F990DF8039495AA616C2A5587432E8@Gigabyte>

Anyone here work on ?Our World? in 67?
Statue from Abbey Road Beatles insert is talked about here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-58228053

Not sure where the shot with the world itself was shot. Did they com e to TC as well or was that another one at Abbey Road?

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 17 03:26:20 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 09:26:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Freelance travels
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Another incident comes to mind, in Sweden ? driving the rented Volvo Estate, in winter, a moose wandered across the road in front of me. A large, ungainly, ugly creature, and in a collision, I think the vehicle would come off worse. I now know why Volvo?s are so strongly built!
We were there to film an Olympic profile for CBS Sports of Sweden?s champion cross-country skier. His lady fed us spaghetti moosellaise, and the moose she had shot herself! Locals up country are permitted to shoot one animal per year, and fill their freezers with the joints. Moose/elk are part of the deer species, so tasted rather like venison.
I?m planning a chapter on eating/food, and got fascinated by the various forms of table-top cooking that I happened across.
Great idea, let the customers do the work, and charge them for it! In Switzerland, it was fondue, and the sparks took great delight in announcing that they were ?going for a fondle?, that evening.
Pat

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From: Sara Newman
Sent: 15 August 2021 18:20
To: patheigham
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Freelance travels

Hi, That?s impressive but I notice you never made it to the sunny uplands of Royal TunbridgeWells ! Which place apart from Iceland was the most surprising? Sarax?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 17 03:33:53 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 09:33:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
In-Reply-To: <326B7010-EFA3-45E5-9C3F-BC9DDCB7A5BF@btinternet.com>
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I have a fair degree of confidence in Met Office short term weather forecasts covering the next few days. When it comes to the sort of tabloid news predictions for months ahead, I don?t pay much attention to them at all.

There were plenty of headlines assuring us of a second heatwave to follow the one we had a few weeks ago, but we?ve barely put the parasol up in our garden since then.  Every year we read predictions of a very hard winter, but recent winters have been unusually mild here.  

We sometimes drive to Germany in the winter and in the region we go to, winter tyres are obligatory so we have a second set of wheels with winter tyres.  As a matter of routine, we swap them over when harsh UK weather seems imminent.  Our village can easily become cut off by heavy snow because the narrow lane has tricky gradients on exposed terrain in either direction. The last time that happened was in the spring of 2013.  Since then our winter tyres have not encountered anything more challenging than a light dusting of snow or a frozen-over puddle.

Our larder and cars are prepared to cope with bad weather, but we don?t pay attention to long term weather predictions as they have been hopelessly unreliable, especially those coming from sources other than the Met Office.

Alan Taylor

> On 17 Aug 2021, at 08:30, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Winter 2021 - 2022 will be a memorable one for those that love the cold and the snow
> 
> It will be one that sets in earlier than any we have seen for the previous 10 winters and will rival 2010 for severity, and surpass it for longevity.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 17 03:49:39 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 09:49:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
In-Reply-To: <471B5CFC-E328-4C62-A781-7644686A81AA@me.com>
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Hi Alan,
I once had a 17 week location in a Swiss mountain village, the production laid on small Fiats for each dept to travel around the locations, then of an evening they were designated ?pool? cars, so we could venture to other village restaurants.
Using chains, I learned to drive in winter snow/ice conditions, which ability sadly does not extend to most UK drivers.
If we went to the town at the valley bottom the tarmac was clear so chains were regularly put on and taken off ? got quite fast at that!
You must have a large vehicle to have room for a second set of wheels, or do you tow a trailer? (maybe a roof rack mount, like rally cars)?
Regards
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 17 August 2021 09:34
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?

We sometimes drive to Germany in the winter and in the region we go to, winter tyres are obligatory so we have a second set of wheels with winter tyres.  



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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 17 03:50:53 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 09:50:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Freelance travels
In-Reply-To: <611b72ab.1c69fb81.55e40.500d@mx.google.com>
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I had a day off on site in the mountains of Colorado and decided to explore the forest areas.  There was a sign warning people that during the hunting season, due to the numbers of trigger-happy hunters you should never make a noise like an elk ? and went on to say, if you don?t know what noise an elk makes, don?t ask anybody.

Alan Taylor


> On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:26, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Another incident comes to mind, in Sweden ? driving the rented Volvo Estate, in winter, a moose wandered across the road in front of me. A large, ungainly, ugly creature, and in a collision, I think the vehicle would come off worse. I now know why Volvo?s are so strongly built!
> We were there to film an Olympic profile for CBS Sports of Sweden?s champion cross-country skier. His lady fed us spaghetti moosellaise, and the moose she had shot herself! Locals up country are permitted to shoot one animal per year, and fill their freezers with the joints. Moose/elk are part of the deer species, so tasted rather like venison.
> I?m planning a chapter on eating/food, and got fascinated by the various forms of table-top cooking that I happened across.
> Great idea, let the customers do the work, and charge them for it! In Switzerland, it was fondue, and the sparks took great delight in announcing that they were ?going for a fondle?, that evening.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Sara Newman
> Sent: 15 August 2021 18:20
> To: patheigham
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Freelance travels
>  
> Hi, That?s impressive but I notice you never made it to the sunny uplands of Royal TunbridgeWells ! Which place apart from Iceland was the most surprising? Sarax 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 17 04:32:41 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:32:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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Pat. Winter tyres are perfect for everyday use in cold weather.  We keep the alternative wheels in the garage and swap them over when it seems like the right time.  They look like conventional tyres but are made with a different compound and tread pattern.  Winter tyres often come as pairs, left hand and right hand due to the symmetric tread pattern. They are claimed to be superior when the temperature is lower than 8?C, above that they wear out more quickly. They are surprisingly cheap too if you buy them in the summer, but become a massively expensive rarity when snow is expected. 

A trolley jack a decent wheel brace and carrying out this procedure at least twice every winter means that you can do it very rapidly. Maybe not quite Formula 1 speeds, but still pretty quick.  It also has the advantage that my wife is brilliant at putting a spare wheel on her car if she gets a puncture.

Spare wheel?  Those were the days.  It?s often now either an optional extra or there is simply no provision to carry one on some cars.  Of the punctures I?ve had in the last ten years or so, about half of them could not have been dealt with by one of those inflation kits and as one of the worst punctures was on Boxing Day, the chances of getting a replacement tyre to continue my journey to work would have been negligible. I?d be very wary of having a car with no spare wheel, even if it has to be one of those skinny space saving ones. 

Alan Taylor

> On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:49, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Alan,
> I once had a 17 week location in a Swiss mountain village, the production laid on small Fiats for each dept to travel around the locations, then of an evening they were designated ?pool? cars, so we could venture to other village restaurants.
> Using chains, I learned to drive in winter snow/ice conditions, which ability sadly does not extend to most UK drivers.
> If we went to the town at the valley bottom the tarmac was clear so chains were regularly put on and taken off ? got quite fast at that!
> You must have a large vehicle to have room for a second set of wheels, or do you tow a trailer? (maybe a roof rack mount, like rally cars)?
> Regards
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 17 August 2021 09:34
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>  
> We sometimes drive to Germany in the winter and in the region we go to, winter tyres are obligatory so we have a second set of wheels with winter tyres. 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 17 04:49:14 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:49:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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Thanks for your reply, Alan,
Obviously not studded tyres, then.
Formula 1 ? I worked on a 7 part series following McLaren ? they got all four wheel change down to under 5 seconds, but there was just a single, central boss.
I was surprised when I got my current car ? no spare wheel, or jack ? run-flat tyres, which would be good for 150 miles at speeds below 50mph.
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 17 August 2021 10:32
To: tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?

Pat. Winter tyres are perfect for everyday use in cold weather. ?We keep the alternative wheels in the garage and swap them over when it seems like the right time. ?They look like conventional tyres but are made with a different compound and tread pattern. ?Winter tyres often come as pairs, left hand and right hand due to the symmetric tread pattern. They are claimed to be superior when the temperature is lower than 8?C, above that they wear out more quickly. They are surprisingly cheap too if you buy them in the summer, but become a massively expensive rarity when snow is expected.?

A trolley jack a decent wheel brace and carrying out this procedure at least twice every winter means that you can do it very rapidly. Maybe not quite Formula 1 speeds, but still pretty quick. ?It also has the advantage that my wife is brilliant at putting a spare wheel on her car if she gets a puncture.

Spare wheel? ?Those were the days. ?It?s often now either an optional extra or there is simply no provision to carry one on some cars. ?Of the punctures I?ve had in the last ten years or so, about half of them could not have been dealt with by one of those inflation kits and as one of the worst punctures was on Boxing Day, the chances of getting a replacement tyre to continue my journey to work would have been negligible. I?d be very wary of having a car with no spare wheel, even if it has to be one of those skinny space saving ones.?

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 04:56:33 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 10:56:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles "our World" statue
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The big globe photos were taken at Abbey Road the day before the live broadcast.  A press photocall to publicise the event.



From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 8:38 AM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles "our World" statue

Anyone here work on ?Our World? in 67?
Statue from Abbey Road Beatles insert is talked about here.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-58228053

Not sure where the shot with the world itself was shot. Did they com e to TC as well or was that another one at Abbey Road?

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 17 06:10:06 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 12:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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Formula 1 tyre changes keep improving.  Teams have managed to change all four wheels in under 1.9 seconds and are confident that they will improve on that too.

As a sound guy, it?s fascinating to listen to sound of the air guns used to undo and fasten the wheel nuts during a Formula 1 pit stop. You can hear when it?s a perfect change because all the gun men operate their guns at exactly the same time and it sounds like just one machine making two bursts of noise.  If one gunner is a little out of sync, you can clearly hear the difference and can imagine what?s going to be said in the garage moments later.

Alan Taylor

> On 17 Aug 2021, at 10:49, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thanks for your reply, Alan,
> Obviously not studded tyres, then.
> Formula 1 ? I worked on a 7 part series following McLaren ? they got all four wheel change down to under 5 seconds, but there was just a single, central boss.
> I was surprised when I got my current car ? no spare wheel, or jack ? run-flat tyres, which would be good for 150 miles at speeds below 50mph.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 17 August 2021 10:32
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>  
> Pat. Winter tyres are perfect for everyday use in cold weather.  We keep the alternative wheels in the garage and swap them over when it seems like the right time.  They look like conventional tyres but are made with a different compound and tread pattern.  Winter tyres often come as pairs, left hand and right hand due to the symmetric tread pattern. They are claimed to be superior when the temperature is lower than 8?C, above that they wear out more quickly. They are surprisingly cheap too if you buy them in the summer, but become a massively expensive rarity when snow is expected. 
>  
> A trolley jack a decent wheel brace and carrying out this procedure at least twice every winter means that you can do it very rapidly. Maybe not quite Formula 1 speeds, but still pretty quick.  It also has the advantage that my wife is brilliant at putting a spare wheel on her car if she gets a puncture.
>  
> Spare wheel?  Those were the days.  It?s often now either an optional extra or there is simply no provision to carry one on some cars.  Of the punctures I?ve had in the last ten years or so, about half of them could not have been dealt with by one of those inflation kits and as one of the worst punctures was on Boxing Day, the chances of getting a replacement tyre to continue my journey to work would have been negligible. I?d be very wary of having a car with no spare wheel, even if it has to be one of those skinny space saving ones. 
>  
> Alan Taylor
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 17 07:24:33 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:24:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were
accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong.  


In article <326B7010-EFA3-45E5-9C3F-BC9DDCB7A5BF at btinternet.com>,
   Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Winter 2021 - 2022 will be a memorable one for those that love the cold and the snow

> It will be one that sets in earlier than any we have seen for the previous 10 winters and will rival 2010 for severity, and surpass it for longevity.

-- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 17 07:53:44 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:53:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
In-Reply-To: <595d680461davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <595d680461davesound@btinternet.com>
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In fairness to the Met Office, when the newspapers were recently printing stories about how we can expect  a second Saharan Plume arriving over the UK, bringing a heatwave in mid to late August, the Met Office said that they were not getting any indications that such a thing was on the cards and that their modelling was for unspectacular August temperatures. Stories like that don?t get so widely reported in newspapers.

Short term forecasting can be uncannily accurate, especially in areas away from mountains and coastlines.  I?ve been at events where rain was predicted several hours ahead of time and it turned up exactly when predicted.  Medium term forecasts for more than a week ahead seem more like indications of vague trends, while long range predictions for months ahead look to be pretty unreliable.

Alan Taylor

> On 17 Aug 2021, at 13:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were
> accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong.  
> 
> 
> In article <326B7010-EFA3-45E5-9C3F-BC9DDCB7A5BF at btinternet.com>,
>   Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Winter 2021 - 2022 will be a memorable one for those that love the cold and the snow
> 
>> It will be one that sets in earlier than any we have seen for the previous 10 winters and will rival 2010 for severity, and surpass it for longevity.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 17 08:01:37 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:01:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
In-Reply-To: <595d680461davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <326B7010-EFA3-45E5-9C3F-BC9DDCB7A5BF@btinternet.com>
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Long-range forecasting is a bit of a dark art ? if the crystal ball gets cloudy, that?s a clue!
But the week long ones are fairly accurate. My Weather app on my tablet is accessed for my area, and I look out the window and see that it is indeed raining.
I live fairly close to Gatwick, and closer still to the Ockham radio beacon, used by incoming flights, so the weather transmitted to aircraft is probably going to be reasonably on the nail.
Pat

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Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were
accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong.  





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 17 08:04:08 2021
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:04:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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Saharan Plume ? where is she dancing the seven veils?
Must go and see!
Pat


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Saharan Plume arriving over the UK



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 10:01:51 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 16:01:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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VORs like Ockham aren't really used by airliners any more, as they have 
onboard magic, and some VORs - the actual transmitters - are gradually 
being removed. I expect Ockham, Bovingdon, Lambourne and Biggin will be 
around for a while yet though.



If an A321 has to hold at say OCK they just press a few buttons and it 
does it on it's own.

B




On 17/08/2021 14:01, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Long-range forecasting is a bit of a dark art ? if the crystal ball 
> gets cloudy, that?s a clue!
>
> But the week long ones are fairly accurate. My Weather app on my 
> tablet is accessed for my area, and I look out the window and see that 
> it is indeed raining.
>
> I live fairly close to Gatwick, and closer still to the Ockham radio 
> beacon, used by incoming flights, so the weather transmitted to 
> aircraft is probably going to be reasonably on the nail.
>
> Pat
>
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> *Sent: *17 August 2021 13:24
> *To: *Tech ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>
> Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were
>
> accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong.
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 17 10:25:03 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 16:25:03 +0100
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Thanks, Bernie,
Before lockdown and restrictions on air travel, we used to get a lot of traffic, here.
But I?ve seen a few planes stooging around just recently.
When Wisley was the test airfield for Vickers, we used to see many VC10?s having a circle or two!
It reverted to sheep grazing, well, can  sheep fly, like pigs??
Maybe Aardman Animations might have input, here!
Pat


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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 17 August 2021 16:02
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?

VORs like Ockham aren't really used by airliners any more, as they have onboard magic, and some VORs - the actual transmitters - are gradually being removed. I expect Ockham, Bovingdon, Lambourne and Biggin will be around for a while yet though.



If an A321 has to hold at say OCK they just press a few buttons and it does it on it's own. 

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 17 16:18:58 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 22:18:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Has anyone any inside info as to why the Beeb ditched the Met. Office in 
favour of Meteo, whoever that is? We seem to have the same presenters, 
who I thought were Met. office staff! Cheers, Dave

On 17/08/2021 09:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I have a fair degree of confidence in Met Office short term weather forecasts covering the next few days. When it comes to the sort of tabloid news predictions for months ahead, I don?t pay much attention to them at all.
>
> There were plenty of headlines assuring us of a second heatwave to follow the one we had a few weeks ago, but we?ve barely put the parasol up in our garden since then.  Every year we read predictions of a very hard winter, but recent winters have been unusually mild here.
>
> We sometimes drive to Germany in the winter and in the region we go to, winter tyres are obligatory so we have a second set of wheels with winter tyres.  As a matter of routine, we swap them over when harsh UK weather seems imminent.  Our village can easily become cut off by heavy snow because the narrow lane has tricky gradients on exposed terrain in either direction. The last time that happened was in the spring of 2013.  Since then our winter tyres have not encountered anything more challenging than a light dusting of snow or a frozen-over puddle.
>
> Our larder and cars are prepared to cope with bad weather, but we don?t pay attention to long term weather predictions as they have been hopelessly unreliable, especially those coming from sources other than the Met Office.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 17 Aug 2021, at 08:30, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Winter 2021 - 2022 will be a memorable one for those that love the cold and the snow
>>
>> It will be one that sets in earlier than any we have seen for the previous 10 winters and will rival 2010 for severity, and surpass it for longevity.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 17 16:23:39 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 22:23:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Winter tyres
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I bought a set of new tyres for my Singer Gazelle from a tyre shop in 
Askew Road, Shepherds Bush, they were Michelin CN I think. They never 
wore out! I later discovered that they were Canadian snow tyres! Highly 
recommended if you can't afford new tyres every few years! Cheers, Dave

 ?On 17/08/2021 10:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Pat. Winter tyres are perfect for everyday use in cold weather. ?We 
> keep the alternative wheels in the garage and swap them over when it 
> seems like the right time. ?They look like conventional tyres but are 
> made with a different compound and tread pattern. ?Winter tyres often 
> come as pairs, left hand and right hand due to the symmetric tread 
> pattern. They are claimed to be superior when the temperature is lower 
> than 8?C, above that they wear out more quickly. They are surprisingly 
> cheap too if you buy them in the summer, but become a massively 
> expensive rarity when snow is expected.
>
> A trolley jack a decent wheel brace and carrying out this procedure at 
> least twice every winter means that you can do it very rapidly. Maybe 
> not quite Formula 1 speeds, but still pretty quick. ?It also has the 
> advantage that my wife is brilliant at putting a spare wheel on her 
> car if she gets a puncture.
>
> Spare wheel? ?Those were the days. ?It?s often now either an optional 
> extra or there is simply no provision to carry one on some cars. ?Of 
> the punctures I?ve had in the last ten years or so, about half of them 
> could not have been dealt with by one of those inflation kits and as 
> one of the worst punctures was on Boxing Day, the chances of getting a 
> replacement tyre to continue my journey to work would have been 
> negligible. I?d be very wary of having a car with no spare wheel, even 
> if it has to be one of those skinny space saving ones.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 17 Aug 2021, at 09:49, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hi Alan,
>>
>> I once had a 17 week location in a Swiss mountain village, the 
>> production laid on small Fiats for each dept to travel around the 
>> locations, then of an evening they were designated ?pool? cars, so we 
>> could venture to other village restaurants.
>>
>> Using chains, I learned to drive in winter snow/ice conditions, which 
>> ability sadly does not extend to most UK drivers.
>>
>> If we went to the town at the valley bottom the tarmac was clear so 
>> chains were regularly put on and taken off ? got quite fast at that!
>>
>> You must have a large vehicle to have room for a second set of 
>> wheels, or do you tow a trailer? (maybe a roof rack mount, like rally 
>> cars)?
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Pat
>>
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>> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *17 August 2021 09:34
>> *To: *tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>>
>> We sometimes drive to Germany in the winter and in the region we go 
>> to, winter tyres are obligatory so we have a second set of wheels 
>> with winter tyres.
>>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 02:14:13 2021
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 08:14:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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Chaos theory was developed as a result of attempts to make long-range
weather forecasts. When the accuracy of input data was improved, it had
been thought that long-range weather forecasts would become more accurate.
But it was found that small changes to the input data produced unexpected
large and apparently random changes in the forecast data. As a result, most
experts in this field now accept that it will never be possible to make
accurate long-term weather forecasts. (I don't know exactly what
"long-term" means.)


But I do remember from long ago that there was publicity about a man who
made accurate long-term weather predictions. According to the TV item I
saw, he was making money by betting on weather forecasting (which William
Hill confirmed) and he also regularly sold his forecasts to farmers. Does
anyone know what happened to that forecaster? I'd guess that his
predictions became inaccurate, the media lost interest and the boring
follow-up story was never made public.


KW

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 14:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Long-range forecasting is a bit of a dark art ? if the crystal ball gets
> cloudy, that?s a clue!
>
> But the week long ones are fairly accurate. My Weather app on my tablet is
> accessed for my area, and I look out the window and see that it is indeed
> raining.
>
> I live fairly close to Gatwick, and closer still to the Ockham radio
> beacon, used by incoming flights, so the weather transmitted to aircraft is
> probably going to be reasonably on the nail.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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>
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>
> *From: *Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *17 August 2021 13:24
> *To: *Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>
>
>
> Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were
>
> accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong.
>
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Aug 18 02:35:15 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 08:35:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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Butterflies wings on a Devon lawn seeding hurricanes, and all that! How much better it would have been if the originator of the term ?chaos theory? had chosen an alternative such as ?unpredictability factor?, since there is no chaos except in our attempt at making reliable predictions on almost any complex topic, because we can never have the ability to measure and know all that needs to be known. The only truly reliable way of finding out what?s going to happen is to wait for the event to occur! But it?s still fun to speculate?

Mike G

> On 18 Aug 2021, at 08:14, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Chaos theory was developed as a result of attempts to make long-range weather forecasts. When the accuracy of input data was improved, it had been thought that long-range weather forecasts would become more accurate. But it was found that small changes to the input data produced unexpected large and apparently random changes in the forecast data. As a result, most experts in this field now accept that it will never be possible to make accurate long-term weather forecasts. (I don't know exactly what "long-term" means.)
> 
> But I do remember from long ago that there was publicity about a man who made accurate long-term weather predictions. According to the TV item I saw, he was making money by betting on weather forecasting (which William Hill confirmed) and he also regularly sold his forecasts to farmers. Does anyone know what happened to that forecaster? I'd guess that his predictions became inaccurate, the media lost interest and the boring follow-up story was never made public. 
> 
> KW
> 
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 14:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Long-range forecasting is a bit of a dark art ? if the crystal ball gets cloudy, that?s a clue!
>> 
>> But the week long ones are fairly accurate. My Weather app on my tablet is accessed for my area, and I look out the window and see that it is indeed raining.
>> 
>> I live fairly close to Gatwick, and closer still to the Ockham radio beacon, used by incoming flights, so the weather transmitted to aircraft is probably going to be reasonably on the nail.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
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>> 
>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
>> Sent: 17 August 2021 13:24
>> To: Tech ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were
>> 
>> accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong. 
>> 
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 12:57:04 2021
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 18:57:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles "our World" statue
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I was at the TC end of the operation and they didn't come to TC. I think
that globe must be one at Abbey Road. The globe in TC1 was slung at quite a
height.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 08:39 Mike Jordan via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Anyone here work on ?Our World? in 67?
> Statue from Abbey Road Beatles insert is talked about here.
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-58228053
>
> Not sure where the shot with the world itself was shot. Did they com e to
> TC as well or was that another one at Abbey Road?
>
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Wed Aug 18 14:37:05 2021
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 20:37:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles "our World" statue
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We've covered 'Our World' quite a lot, so I'll just remind any that haven't
seen it that there's a very comprehensive two part article/blog about all
the planning and executing of 'Our World' on my website *www.postfade.co.uk
<http://www.postfade.co.uk>*
Just scroll down or jump to Part One:
*http://postfade.co.uk/television-sound/our-world-1967-the-world-of-tv-gets-connected-live-for-the-first-time-and-the-beatles-make-it-memorable/
<http://postfade.co.uk/television-sound/our-world-1967-the-world-of-tv-gets-connected-live-for-the-first-time-and-the-beatles-make-it-memorable/>*

Part two is just about the Beatles live Abbey Road 'All You Need is Love'
OB.

A great deal of the information for both articles was based information
from members of Tech-Ops, to whom I am really grateful.
[image: 1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg]

David Taylor

www.postfade.co.uk
*"About Broadcast and Recorded Sound"*

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 at 18:57, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I was at the TC end of the operation and they didn't come to TC. I think
> that globe must be one at Abbey Road. The globe in TC1 was slung at quite a
> height.
>
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 08:39 Mike Jordan via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone here work on ?Our World? in 67?
>> Statue from Abbey Road Beatles insert is talked about here.
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-58228053
>>
>> Not sure where the shot with the world itself was shot. Did they com e to
>> TC as well or was that another one at Abbey Road?
>>
>> Mike
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 18 16:06:49 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 22:06:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New UK passport
Message-ID: <226bcdcb-ae9b-72f2-0ec4-5bdeef750794@btinternet.com>

I have just renewed our passports and it was very quick from when I sent 
in our old ones to be cancelled - about a week! My driving licence 
renewal is still happening, although sent at the same time! Have any of 
you had one of the new 'blacker than blue' passports? The info page is 
at least 1 mm. thick with embedded chips etc. and so many safety 
features it beggars belief! However, my wife first noticed that there 
were scratches on the surface of the plastic outer layer and when you 
look at them at certain angles they would appear to be a regular pattern 
of arches etc. Has anyone any idea what they are supposed to be about? 
Cheers, Dave


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 18 16:56:59 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2021 22:56:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Scams
Message-ID: <7b0fe9cf-9676-b7ae-49d3-231a89191bb3@btinternet.com>

Yesterday, I didn't have a single scam phone call or text message - a 
record! However, this month, I have had 19 e-mails from Pat Heigham! 
Another record! Cheers, Dave



From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 02:31:46 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 08:31:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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The service you are remembering was provided by Piers Corbyn, Jeremy?s brother, who was convinced long range forecasts could be made accurately by studying sunspots! Yes, really!

 

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 18 August 2021 08:14
To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>; Dave Plowman <davesound at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?

 

Chaos theory was developed as a result of attempts to make long-range weather forecasts. When the accuracy of input data was improved, it had been thought that long-range weather forecasts would become more accurate. But it was found that small changes to the input data produced unexpected large and apparently random changes in the forecast data. As a result, most experts in this field now accept that it will never be possible to make accurate long-term weather forecasts. (I don't know exactly what "long-term" means.)

 

But I do remember from long ago that there was publicity about a man who made accurate long-term weather predictions. According to the TV item I saw, he was making money by betting on weather forecasting (which William Hill confirmed) and he also regularly sold his forecasts to farmers. Does anyone know what happened to that forecaster? I'd guess that his predictions became inaccurate, the media lost interest and the boring follow-up story was never made public. 

 

KW

 

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 14:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Long-range forecasting is a bit of a dark art ? if the crystal ball gets cloudy, that?s a clue!

But the week long ones are fairly accurate. My Weather app on my tablet is accessed for my area, and I look out the window and see that it is indeed raining.

I live fairly close to Gatwick, and closer still to the Ockham radio beacon, used by incoming flights, so the weather transmitted to aircraft is probably going to be reasonably on the nail.

Pat

 

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 17 August 2021 13:24
To: Tech ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?

 

Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were

accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong.  

 

 

 

 

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Aug 19 03:29:43 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:29:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
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I believe there is some truth in the theory, though not to the extent that Corbyn claimed. It was popular in the late 1960s, there was even a short science fiction story based on it, The Weather Man by Theodore Sturgeon. Involved micro-control of the climate by creating/suppressing sunspots!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 19 Aug 2021, at 08:31, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The service you are remembering was provided by Piers Corbyn, Jeremy?s brother, who was convinced long range forecasts could be made accurately by studying sunspots! Yes, really!
>  
> Dave D
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1
> Sent: 18 August 2021 08:14
> To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>; Dave Plowman <davesound at btinternet.com>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>  
> Chaos theory was developed as a result of attempts to make long-range weather forecasts. When the accuracy of input data was improved, it had been thought that long-range weather forecasts would become more accurate. But it was found that small changes to the input data produced unexpected large and apparently random changes in the forecast data. As a result, most experts in this field now accept that it will never be possible to make accurate long-term weather forecasts. (I don't know exactly what "long-term" means.)
>  
> But I do remember from long ago that there was publicity about a man who made accurate long-term weather predictions. According to the TV item I saw, he was making money by betting on weather forecasting (which William Hill confirmed) and he also regularly sold his forecasts to farmers. Does anyone know what happened to that forecaster? I'd guess that his predictions became inaccurate, the media lost interest and the boring follow-up story was never made public. 
>  
> KW
>  
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 14:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Long-range forecasting is a bit of a dark art ? if the crystal ball gets cloudy, that?s a clue!
>> But the week long ones are fairly accurate. My Weather app on my tablet is accessed for my area, and I look out the window and see that it is indeed raining.
>> I live fairly close to Gatwick, and closer still to the Ockham radio beacon, used by incoming flights, so the weather transmitted to aircraft is probably going to be reasonably on the nail.
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>  
>> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
>> Sent: 17 August 2021 13:24
>> To: Tech ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather... Do you believe it?
>>  
>> Trying to remember when any of these predictions this far ahead were
>> accurate. Far more likely to be totally wrong.  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 19 03:32:21 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:32:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
In-Reply-To: <adecff9e-48ec-6153-fe09-f9630d9b493e@btinternet.com>
References: <326B7010-EFA3-45E5-9C3F-BC9DDCB7A5BF@btinternet.com>
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I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have become more accurate due to satellite photography.
It must be easier to track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few days, when they can be seen?
Pat

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On 17/08/2021 09:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I have a fair degree of confidence in Met Office short term weather forecasts covering the next few days. When it comes to the sort of tabloid news predictions for months ahead, I don?t pay much attention to them at all.



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Aug 19 03:37:47 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:37:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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It is te case, that and the advemt of super-computers that do the number crunching fast enough to produce forecasts that don?t take longer to produce than the period they are for. eg the original computer forecasts were for 4 hours ahead but took 6 hours to compute!.

I have to declare an interest here, my father was a weather forecaster.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 19 Aug 2021, at 09:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have become more accurate due to satellite photography.
> It must be easier to track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few days, when they can be seen?
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> On 17/08/2021 09:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> > I have a fair degree of confidence in Met Office short term weather forecasts covering the next few days. When it comes to the sort of tabloid news predictions for months ahead, I don?t pay much attention to them at all.
>  
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 04:04:58 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 10:04:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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For very short term weather forecasting we use this -

https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar

B



On 19/08/2021 09:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have 
> become more accurate due to satellite photography.
>
> It must be easier to track weather fronts and predict where they are 
> going to be in a few days, when they can be seen?
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> On 17/08/2021 09:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>
> > I have a fair degree of confidence in Met Office short term weather 
> forecasts covering the next few days. When it comes to the sort of 
> tabloid news predictions for months ahead, I don?t pay much attention 
> to them at all.
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Aug 19 04:10:46 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 10:10:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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<https://darksky.net/> is another one
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 19 Aug 2021, at 10:04, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> For very short term weather forecasting we use this -
> 
> https://www.netweather.tv/live-weather/radar
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 19/08/2021 09:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have become more accurate due to satellite photography.
>> It must be easier to track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few days, when they can be seen?
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>  
>> On 17/08/2021 09:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> > I have a fair degree of confidence in Met Office short term weather forecasts covering the next few days. When it comes to the sort of tabloid news predictions for months ahead, I don?t pay much attention to them at all.
>>  
>> 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Aug 19 04:11:32 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 10:11:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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It was explained to me many years ago by a meteorologist that the accuracy of short term forecasts is directly proportional to the quality of the data you have about approaching weather. In those days, British weather forecasting seemed to struggle against American or continental European services, but they were within large land masses and had the advantage of being able to observe the weather as it approached, while in the UK, weather generally blew in from the Atlantic without passing over heavily populated areas. There were two issues, adverse weather could arrive without much warning. Secondly, being on the edge of a land mass means that weather systems change when they reach land.

Weather observations from shipping were sparse and patchy, while aircraft were usually travelling above the clouds.  Satellite technology allowed detailed weather observations in places which were uninhabited.  Gathering accurate weather data by satellite from anywhere on the planet, such as over the Atlantic, has made a bigger difference to British weather forecasts than it did for places in the middle of continents.

Turning better data into accurate forecasts is another matter and that?s where the supercomputers make a difference.

Alan Taylor

> On 19 Aug 2021, at 09:38, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?It is te case, that and the advemt of super-computers that do the number crunching fast enough to produce forecasts that don?t take longer to produce than the period they are for. eg the original computer forecasts were for 4 hours ahead but took 6 hours to compute!.
> 
> I have to declare an interest here, my father was a weather forecaster.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 09:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have become more accurate due to satellite photography.
>> It must be easier to track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few days, when they can be seen?
>> Pat
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>>> On 17/08/2021 09:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I have a fair degree of confidence in Met Office short term weather forecasts covering the next few days. When it comes to the sort of tabloid news predictions for months ahead, I don?t pay much attention to them at all.
>> 
>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 19 09:21:16 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:21:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.


In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
> days, when they can be seen? Pat

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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 19 13:23:56 2021
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 19:23:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Is it just me?  It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?

Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be. 
That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!

These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!



Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !

I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money. 

Steve

PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?. 

> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
> 
> 
> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Aug 19 13:34:41 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 19:34:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)"  What's wrong with "soon"?

And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?

I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......


Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Is it just me?  It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
> 
> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be. 
> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!
> 
> These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
> 
> <Image.jpeg>
> 
> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
> 
> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?. 
> 
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>> 
>> 
>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>> 
>> -- 
>>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>> 
>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Aug 19 13:36:32 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 19:36:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Want one! Definitely wear it in Guildford High Street.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)"  What's wrong with "soon"?
> 
> And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
> 
> I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
> Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Is it just me?  It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>> 
>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be. 
>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!
>> 
>> These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>> 
>> 
>> <Image.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>> 
>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money. 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?. 
>> 
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> -- 
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Aug 19 14:46:16 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 19:46:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Just after lunch today, sitting looking out the window at the rain pouring down, and having watched the lunchtime BBC forecast which promised a dry afternoon, Heather & I were wondering if it was worthwhile chancing a trip out. I looked at three apps on my phone, weather radar didn't show ANY rain at all anywhere within 50 mile radius (what's that outside then?) another app claimed no rain for at least 60 mins, and the third claimed overcast but dry.

So thank you for your links to other sites, I will see if they're at all accurate over the next week or two. But the televised forecasts are simply tales of mystery and imagination, and obviously no one involved has bothered to look out of a window (oh, of course, they don't have them in studios/converted barns/cowsheds/high rise offices - for fear of heights).

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com/) Secure Email.

??????? Original Message ???????
On Thursday, August 19th, 2021 at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)" What's wrong with "soon"?
>
> And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
>
> I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
> Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ?
>>
>> Is it just me? It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>>
>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be.
>>
>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!
>>
>> These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>>
>> <Image.jpeg>
>>
>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>>
>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?.
>>
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>>
>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>> patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>
>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>>
>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>
>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 19 15:08:45 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 21:08:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
In-Reply-To: <l_N18rNoVZWCjFo1ZAet1WNcClUZZCvmRY6xN_GdLWysoophWsfXva0uapLwDvYQsRhnp-qzZtqqLAh8myg0YVUq1OqL8wUTKwnetBqgclM=@protonmail.com>
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Those who worked at TC will remember that we recorded the BBC1 late 
weather mid evening. I was once in the office upstairs and happened to 
look out the window as I headed down to do the recording. Bill Giles was 
in the studio fiddling with magnetic rubber when I got there - "Hey 
Bill, you know it's snowing out there?" "Whaaaat??" and he disappeared 
off to his office very rapidly.? Bit of a delayed recording that night.

B



On 19/08/2021 20:46, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Just after lunch today, sitting looking out the window at the rain 
> pouring down, and having watched the lunchtime BBC forecast which 
> promised a dry afternoon, Heather & I were wondering if it was 
> worthwhile chancing a trip out. I looked at three apps on my phone, 
> weather radar didn't show ANY rain at all anywhere within 50 mile 
> radius (what's that outside then?) another app claimed no rain for at 
> least 60 mins, and the third claimed overcast but dry.
>
> So thank you for your links to other sites, I will see if they're at 
> all accurate over the next week or two. But the televised forecasts 
> are simply tales of mystery and imagination, and obviously no one 
> involved has bothered to look out of a window (oh, of course, they 
> don't have them in studios/converted barns/cowsheds/high rise offices 
> - for fear of heights).
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Thursday, August 19th, 2021 at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio 
>> and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)" ?What's 
>> wrong with "soon"?
>>
>> And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
>>
>> I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, 
>> old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
>> Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
>>
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Is it just me? It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish 
>>> reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane 
>>> on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>>>
>>>
>>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering 
>>> for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse 
>>> than it actually turns out to be.
>>>
>>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d 
>>> already be carrying our brollies!
>>>
>>>
>>> These days I struggle to remember?what the television weather 
>>> forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse 
>>> box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>>>
>>>
>>> <Image.jpeg>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, 
>>> shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 
>>> 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a 
>>> strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a 
>>> fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part 
>>> time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>>>
>>>
>>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only 
>>> paid on results, they?d end up owing us money.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>>> ??patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be 
>>>>> easier to
>>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> ???Dave Plowman ????dave at davesound.co.uk ????London SW 12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> -- 
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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 19 15:22:36 2021
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 21:22:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Stepping where Angels might fear to tread, Ch.4 News usually suits this 
household well, if only they would spare us from the weather automaton 
that waves a hand in the same places every time, never looks at the 
chart and has shares invested in the Isle of Man. Night after night it 
gets a mention, despite a population of 85k, the same as for Nuneaton - 
which never gets any weather at all - and perhaps that's why I don't 
know where it is!

Hugh

On 19-Aug-21 8:46 PM, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Just after lunch today, sitting looking out the window at the rain 
> pouring down, and having watched the lunchtime BBC forecast which 
> promised a dry afternoon, Heather & I were wondering if it was 
> worthwhile chancing a trip out. I looked at three apps on my phone, 
> weather radar didn't show ANY rain at all anywhere within 50 mile 
> radius (what's that outside then?) another app claimed no rain for at 
> least 60 mins, and the third claimed overcast but dry.
>
> So thank you for your links to other sites, I will see if they're at 
> all accurate over the next week or two. But the televised forecasts 
> are simply tales of mystery and imagination, and obviously no one 
> involved has bothered to look out of a window (oh, of course, they 
> don't have them in studios/converted barns/cowsheds/high rise offices 
> - for fear of heights).
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Thursday, August 19th, 2021 at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio 
>> and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)" ?What's 
>> wrong with "soon"?
>>
>> And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
>>
>> I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, 
>> old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
>> Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
>>
>>
>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>
>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Is it just me? It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish 
>>> reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane 
>>> on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>>>
>>>
>>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering 
>>> for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse 
>>> than it actually turns out to be.
>>>
>>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d 
>>> already be carrying our brollies!
>>>
>>>
>>> These days I struggle to remember?what the television weather 
>>> forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse 
>>> box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>>>
>>>
>>> <Image.jpeg>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, 
>>> shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 
>>> 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a 
>>> strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a 
>>> fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part 
>>> time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>>>
>>>
>>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only 
>>> paid on results, they?d end up owing us money.
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>>> ??patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be 
>>>>> easier to
>>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> ???Dave Plowman ????dave at davesound.co.uk ????London SW 12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Aug 19 16:10:12 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:10:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday
Message-ID: <204C0AA86768459A993E443176BF4EE8@Gigabyte>

Things seem to get worse and worse technically don?t they.
On this edition, Fiona kept insisting on wearing her huge scarf.
Every time she had it on, the audio was almost impossible to understand being lower level and totally muffled.
Don?t crews ever listen to what they are recording or insist on the microphone being somewhere that works?
Philip was mostly OK although he often suffered a bit when wearing his poseurs scarf.
Also in one scene, they were both with another gent in a very grand room in a big house.
Sounded as if it was done on a single mic with terrible echo but at least she was less muffled as presumably not using the under scarf mic.
Too late after the recording but I hope production made a few very adverse comments and threatened a change of staff (back to retired experienced ones?)
At least with a scarf there wasn?t an embarrassing little lump showing under a tightish shirt/pullover! Gardeners World?

Mike
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Aug 20 04:01:58 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:01:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday
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Maybe there wasn?t a dedicated sound person on the shoot!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 19 August 2021 22:10
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday

Things seem to get worse and worse technically don?t they.
On this edition, Fiona kept insisting on wearing her huge scarf.
Every time she had it on, the audio was almost impossible to understand being lower level and totally muffled.
Don?t crews ever listen to what they are recording or insist on the microphone being somewhere that works?
Philip was mostly OK although he often suffered a bit when wearing his poseurs scarf.
Also in one scene, they were both with another gent in a very grand room in a big house.
Sounded as if it was done on a single mic with terrible echo but at least she was less muffled as presumably not using the under scarf mic.
Too late after the recording but I hope production made a few very adverse comments and threatened a change of staff (back to retired experienced ones?)
At least with a scarf there wasn?t an embarrassing little lump showing under a tightish shirt/pullover! Gardeners World?
?
Mike
(Mike the mic as referred to when I helped out with local school shows doing some sound/radio mics and had told the students that I did not have to be called ?sir?)



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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 04:18:08 2021
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:18:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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How many of the people we see on screen doing the weather are actually forecasters who?ve studied the data and made their prediction and how many are presenters using the information given them by someone else?
What amuses me is when doing the Countryfile forecast they find the need to change into casual clothes, jeans or whatever, when earlier we?ve seen them in usual smart attire, into which they change back again for the late evening forecast.
The other odd thing is with the man who?s actually sort in height being made to appear the same height as the others, when if you look you can tell he?s shorter from his waist half way up the frame instead of the usual lower third,
Geoff

> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Is it just me?  It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
> 
> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be. 
> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!
> 
> These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
> 
> <Image.jpeg>
> 
> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
> 
> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?. 
> 
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>> 
>> 
>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Aug 20 04:39:09 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:39:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Yes, that 1987 hurricane brought down one of our pine trees on the little estate where I live.
Does everyone remember the wonderful goof that one of the weather presenters came up with ? think it found its way onto a Christmas tape....
One of the magnetic letters fell off on shot, and he signed off with: ?Sorry about the F in FOG!? (say it quickly).

Pat

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From: Steve Edwards via Tech1
Sent: 19 August 2021 19:24
To: Dave Plowman
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Met. Office

Is it just me???It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?




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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 20 04:53:06 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:53:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday
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In article <611f6f87.1c69fb81.33792.ea90 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Maybe there wasn?t a dedicated sound person on the shoot!

They're all working for GB News now. ;-)

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 05:43:30 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:43:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
In-Reply-To: <73B55DF9-8DB8-4F31-83EB-3C6FB51BA005@gmail.com>
References: <D584FA32-D678-4106-9FDE-8C7CB9D1A695@btinternet.com>
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Well the most high profile presenter who didn't start as a Met Office 
forecaster is Carol Kirkwood, once a PA on Breakfast Time.? I rather 
doubt that anyone would want to get rid of her

B



On 20/08/2021 10:18, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> How many of the people we see on screen doing the weather are actually 
> forecasters who?ve studied the data and made their prediction and how 
> many are presenters using the information given them by someone else?
> What amuses me is when doing the Countryfile forecast they find the 
> need to change into casual clothes, jeans or whatever, when earlier 
> we?ve seen them in usual smart attire, into which they change back 
> again for the late evening forecast.
> The other odd thing is with the man who?s actually sort in height 
> being made to appear the same height as the others, when if you look 
> you can tell he?s shorter from his waist half way up the frame instead 
> of the usual lower third,
> Geoff
>
>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Is it just me? It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish 
>> reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane 
>> on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>>
>>
>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for 
>> this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it 
>> actually turns out to be.
>>
>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d 
>> already be carrying our brollies!
>>
>>
>> These days I struggle to remember?what the television weather 
>> forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box 
>> ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>>
>>
>> <Image.jpeg>
>>
>>
>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, 
>> shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 
>> (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong 
>> accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion 
>> consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job 
>> reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>>
>>
>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid 
>> on results, they?d end up owing us money.
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?.
>>
>>
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>>
>>>
>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>> ??patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>>
>>> -- 
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>>>
>>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug 20 05:45:26 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:45:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981A06DEA6C6A63D3B58D83A7C19@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?
?Even if there was a dedicated sound person, all too often we get told we have to hide personal mics, and this almost always compromises the sound quality. To me it?s ludicrous that a discreetly fitted mic in a non-drama situation is more offensive than having to struggle or not be able to hear the dialogue.
For once, I have to concede that in Fake or Fortune, pictures are arguably more important than sound, but nevertheless, the programme is meaningless if you struggle, or can?t hear properly what they are saying. Or, even as I did - switch it off.
Insisting on the microphone being ?somewhere that it works? is never that easy, especially if the ?talent? is wearing unsuitable clothing. Scarves tend to be a sound nightmare, but can on the other hand, if done by someone who knows how, provide an affective means of concealing the mic without burying it under the fabric at all.
It?s a difficult subject, one that you can only master by bitter experience, and when you are freelance, you have to gauge just how far to push without becoming a nuisance - a whingeing PITA soundman!

Drama sound is a different can of worms that I loathe and have in recent years avoided, but now that drama camerawork is such deplorable shite, dodgy sound goes relatively unnoticed! But just as I hate turning in what I consider to be duff sound, I?m sure those poor guys hate what they have to do (or at least, I hope so!)

I make that 9 sent, and 4 aborted drafts, to me this month.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 20 Aug 2021, at 10:02, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Maybe there wasn?t a dedicated sound person on the shoot!

Pat

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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 19 August 2021 22:10
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday

Things seem to get worse and worse technically don?t they.
On this edition, Fiona kept insisting on wearing her huge scarf.
Every time she had it on, the audio was almost impossible to understand being lower level and totally muffled.
Don?t crews ever listen to what they are recording or insist on the microphone being somewhere that works?
Philip was mostly OK although he often suffered a bit when wearing his poseurs scarf.
Also in one scene, they were both with another gent in a very grand room in a big house.
Sounded as if it was done on a single mic with terrible echo but at least she was less muffled as presumably not using the under scarf mic.
Too late after the recording but I hope production made a few very adverse comments and threatened a change of staff (back to retired experienced ones?)
At least with a scarf there wasn?t an embarrassing little lump showing under a tightish shirt/pullover! Gardeners World?

Mike
(Mike the mic as referred to when I helped out with local school shows doing some sound/radio mics and had told the students that I did not have to be called ?sir?)



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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 07:14:40 2021
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:14:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday
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I?m afraid ?dedicated sound man? is very much a thing of the past in the majority of situations.

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 20 August 2021 10:02
To: Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>; Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday

 

Maybe there wasn?t a dedicated sound person on the shoot!

 

Pat

 

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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 19 August 2021 22:10
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday

 

Things seem to get worse and worse technically don?t they.

On this edition, Fiona kept insisting on wearing her huge scarf.

Every time she had it on, the audio was almost impossible to understand being lower level and totally muffled.

Don?t crews ever listen to what they are recording or insist on the microphone being somewhere that works?

Philip was mostly OK although he often suffered a bit when wearing his poseurs scarf.

Also in one scene, they were both with another gent in a very grand room in a big house.

Sounded as if it was done on a single mic with terrible echo but at least she was less muffled as presumably not using the under scarf mic.

Too late after the recording but I hope production made a few very adverse comments and threatened a change of staff (back to retired experienced ones?)

At least with a scarf there wasn?t an embarrassing little lump showing under a tightish shirt/pullover! Gardeners World?

 

Mike

(Mike the mic as referred to when I helped out with local school shows doing some sound/radio mics and had told the students that I did not have to be called ?sir?)

 

 

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 07:35:51 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:35:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB2jBsOFp3bDB_dmASxwrrZEft4G1N901AD3Af3fBb8R+w@mail.gmail.com>

Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them to
see "Jungle Cruise".  Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, and then
a single brief caption!

Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended, but
one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".  Eh???

We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...

Best regards, keep safe,
Alec


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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug 20 08:04:06 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 13:04:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB2jBsOFp3bDB_dmASxwrrZEft4G1N901AD3Af3fBb8R+w@mail.gmail.com>
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Did you try Googling witness camera operator? I?d never heard of such a thing either.
Cheers,
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 20 Aug 2021, at 13:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them to see "Jungle Cruise".  Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, and then a single brief caption!
> 
> Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended, but one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".  Eh???
> 
> We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...
> 
> Best regards, keep safe,
> Alec
> 
> 
> sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.
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From armoor.farm at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 08:17:19 2021
From: armoor.farm at gmail.com (Ian Norman)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 14:17:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB2jBsOFp3bDB_dmASxwrrZEft4G1N901AD3Af3fBb8R+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0HHB2jBsOFp3bDB_dmASxwrrZEft4G1N901AD3Af3fBb8R+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41ccfe52-4fef-c859-71de-9747e103c466@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Alec,

My attempts to find what a 'witness camera operator' was, resulted with 
this:-

https://www.broadcastbeat.com/witnessreference-camera-operator-2/


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 20/08/2021 13:35, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
> Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them 
> to see "Jungle Cruise".? Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, 
> and then a single brief caption!
> 
> Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended, 
> but one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".? Eh???
> 
> We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...
> 
> Best regards, keep safe,
> Alec
> 
> 
> sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.
> 


From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 08:32:54 2021
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 14:32:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB2jBsOFp3bDB_dmASxwrrZEft4G1N901AD3Af3fBb8R+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA0HHB2jBsOFp3bDB_dmASxwrrZEft4G1N901AD3Af3fBb8R+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A0147905EC74F728B93BD928E752144@0023242e4e14>

IMDB lists five people for that job on the film.

Kilikai Ahuna ... witness camera operator    
Tim Glover ... witness camera operator    
Tiffany Herzog ... witness camera operator    
Tess Marshall ... visual effects witness camera operator    
Kimberly Scarsella ... witness camera operator 

Almost as many witnesses as Jehovah.





From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2021 1:35 PM
To: Tech Ops Group ; Alec Bray 
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?

Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them to see "Jungle Cruise".  Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, and then a single brief caption! 

Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended, but one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".  Eh???

We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...

Best regards, keep safe,
Alec



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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 08:34:36 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 14:34:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
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Lots of jargon here:

Reddit:  "...Witness cameras are useful to illustrate actions or problems
in the shot that may not be immediately apparent when looking through the
main shotcam. Many times it can be useful to show what is happening from a
different angle to explain why a technical aspect is behaving in the way
that it is. A simple witness cam flipbook overlaying your slapcomp that
shows where the elements are in scene while your main action plays out can
be very useful to present during dailies to raise any issues you may be
having with the shot, without needing to bring your lead or supe to your
individual workstation later when they might not have the time...."

So basically a sort of reference shot

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021, 14:04 Nick Ware via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Did you try Googling witness camera operator? I?d never heard of such a
> thing either.
> Cheers,
> N.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> > On 20 Aug 2021, at 13:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them
> to see "Jungle Cruise".  Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, and
> then a single brief caption!
> >
> > Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended,
> but one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".  Eh???
> >
> > We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...
> >
> > Best regards, keep safe,
> > Alec
> >
> >
> > sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.
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From Waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug 20 09:06:46 2021
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 14:06:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
In-Reply-To: <CAA0HHB1SoP6+X4SoKQm2S01DTao3-5dFOrpTFkXzgi5cTo0kNA@mail.gmail.com>
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And may be nothing more than a GoPro mounted above the camera lens. As if we didn?t have enough data wrangling to do anyway!
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 20 Aug 2021, at 14:34, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Lots of jargon here:

Reddit:  "...Witness cameras are useful to illustrate actions or problems in the shot that may not be immediately apparent when looking through the main shotcam. Many times it can be useful to show what is happening from a different angle to explain why a technical aspect is behaving in the way that it is. A simple witness cam flipbook overlaying your slapcomp that shows where the elements are in scene while your main action plays out can be very useful to present during dailies to raise any issues you may be having with the shot, without needing to bring your lead or supe to your individual workstation later when they might not have the time...."

So basically a sort of reference shot

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2021, 14:04 Nick Ware via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Did you try Googling witness camera operator? I?d never heard of such a thing either.
Cheers,
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 20 Aug 2021, at 13:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> ?
> Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them to see "Jungle Cruise".  Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, and then a single brief caption!
>
> Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended, but one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".  Eh???
>
> We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...
>
> Best regards, keep safe,
> Alec
>
>
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Aug 20 09:31:02 2021
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 15:31:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday
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In the section shot in Wadddesdon Manor, the sound started off OK but 
suddenly sounded as though it was being recorded through a laptop mic! I 
wondered if a serious sound fault developed during the shoot and the 
sound person had had to think quickly to get some sort of sound?
Otherwise, I haven't had much complaint about the sound on these programmes.

Dave Buckley

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From relong at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 20 12:45:09 2021
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 18:45:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake or fortune audio on this Wednesday
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I used to carry a Tootal Scarf to location, they are rayon , semi wind proof and semi acoustically transparent and quiet.
I deal for concealing a mic in windy conditions in the UK (ie every day )
Earlier recordists used to carry a fav tie for hiding in?
I think the prob with ?modern? tv docs is no soundman.
Some shows have 12 radios and no sound credit.
Everybody on a radio , sort it in post
This might work mostly but is risky, mounting mics is a skill , on Drama there is a specialist SA for hiding  mics
Dressers also help with talent.
On docs praps the camera man is alone with 2  Radios and the onboard shotgun, much can be achieved but when it goes tits up in unsaveable imho.
Roger





From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 20 13:15:39 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 19:15:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Single camera working
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Many years ago when I was on BBC Sports Unit 2 PSC we were doing a shoot 
at Brentford football ground from the gantry. Alongside us was a 
?teenage Sky cameraperson who had taped his stereo mic on top of his 
zoom lens and couldn't get his camcorder to record. I asked him about 
the record tab on the tape cassette and he didn't know there was one. He 
received used cassettes through the post! His next shoot was in Europe 
where he was expected to do do several radio mics, and light, as well as 
operate the camera, all on his own! Those were the days! Cheers, Dave

On 20/08/2021 18:45, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote:
> I used to carry a Tootal Scarf to location, they are rayon , semi wind proof and semi acoustically transparent and quiet.
> I deal for concealing a mic in windy conditions in the UK (ie every day )
> Earlier recordists used to carry a fav tie for hiding in?
> I think the prob with ?modern? tv docs is no soundman.
> Some shows have 12 radios and no sound credit.
> Everybody on a radio , sort it in post
> This might work mostly but is risky, mounting mics is a skill , on Drama there is a specialist SA for hiding  mics
> Dressers also help with talent.
> On docs praps the camera man is alone with 2  Radios and the onboard shotgun, much can be achieved but when it goes tits up in unsaveable imho.
> Roger
>
>
>
>

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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Aug 20 13:55:50 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (M E GILES)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 19:55:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Is it only me then?

Mike G

> On 20 Aug 2021, at 11:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Well the most high profile presenter who didn't start as a Met Office forecaster is Carol Kirkwood, once a PA on Breakfast Time.  I rather doubt that anyone would want to get rid of her
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 20/08/2021 10:18, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
>> How many of the people we see on screen doing the weather are actually forecasters who?ve studied the data and made their prediction and how many are presenters using the information given them by someone else?
>> What amuses me is when doing the Countryfile forecast they find the need to change into casual clothes, jeans or whatever, when earlier we?ve seen them in usual smart attire, into which they change back again for the late evening forecast.
>> The other odd thing is with the man who?s actually sort in height being made to appear the same height as the others, when if you look you can tell he?s shorter from his waist half way up the frame instead of the usual lower third,
>> Geoff
>> 
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Is it just me?  It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>>> 
>>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be. 
>>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!
>>> 
>>> These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <Image.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>>> 
>>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money. 
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?. 
>>> 
>>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com> <mailto:611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>>>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug 20 14:02:33 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 19:02:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Single camera working
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I would never dream of suggesting that a cameraman working on his/her own couldn?t do a perfectly adequate sound job. I found myself working with a 60 Minutes cameraman a few months ago who wasn?t used to having a sound bod with him. The best thing about that was that he was also used to carrying everything!
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 20 Aug 2021, at 19:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Many years ago when I was on BBC Sports Unit 2 PSC we were doing a shoot at Brentford football ground from the gantry. Alongside us was a ?teenage Sky cameraperson who had taped his stereo mic on top of his zoom lens and couldn't get his camcorder to record. I asked him about the record tab on the tape cassette and he didn't know there was one. He received used cassettes through the post! His next shoot was in Europe where he was expected to do do several radio mics, and light, as well as operate the camera, all on his own! Those were the days! Cheers, Dave
> 
>> On 20/08/2021 18:45, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote:
>> I used to carry a Tootal Scarf to location, they are rayon , semi wind proof and semi acoustically transparent and quiet.
>> I deal for concealing a mic in windy conditions in the UK (ie every day )
>> Earlier recordists used to carry a fav tie for hiding in?
>> I think the prob with ?modern? tv docs is no soundman.
>> Some shows have 12 radios and no sound credit.
>> Everybody on a radio , sort it in post
>> This might work mostly but is risky, mounting mics is a skill , on Drama there is a specialist SA for hiding  mics
>> Dressers also help with talent.
>> On docs praps the camera man is alone with 2  Radios and the onboard shotgun, much can be achieved but when it goes tits up in unsaveable imho.
>> Roger
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 20 15:27:57 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 21:27:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Single camera working
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I think he was a school leaver (Paul Pratt?) but there were rumours 
about lots of Australian back-packers coming over claiming they were 
camera persons and were working for a lot less than the local guys! 
Cheers, Dave

On 20/08/2021 21:19, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Australian perchance?
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 20 Aug 2021, at 19:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Many years ago when I was on BBC Sports Unit 2 PSC we were doing a shoot at Brentford football ground from the gantry. Alongside us was a ?teenage Sky cameraperson who had taped his stereo mic on top of his zoom lens and couldn't get his camcorder to record. I asked him about the record tab on the tape cassette and he didn't know there was one. He received used cassettes through the post! His next shoot was in Europe where he was expected to do do several radio mics, and light, as well as operate the camera, all on his own! Those were the days! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 20/08/2021 18:45, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I used to carry a Tootal Scarf to location, they are rayon , semi wind proof and semi acoustically transparent and quiet.
>>> I deal for concealing a mic in windy conditions in the UK (ie every day )
>>> Earlier recordists used to carry a fav tie for hiding in?
>>> I think the prob with ?modern? tv docs is no soundman.
>>> Some shows have 12 radios and no sound credit.
>>> Everybody on a radio , sort it in post
>>> This might work mostly but is risky, mounting mics is a skill , on Drama there is a specialist SA for hiding  mics
>>> Dressers also help with talent.
>>> On docs praps the camera man is alone with 2  Radios and the onboard shotgun, much can be achieved but when it goes tits up in unsaveable imho.
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Aug 21 00:43:29 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 06:43:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
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In non-broadcast usage, a witness camera can be what most of us in the UK would know as a dash cam.  I?ve been asked if I wanted to hire a witness camera when renting a car, but there was no mention of it needing an operator.

I did a shoot for an American company where somebody set up a fixed camera to make a time lapse recording of the initial set up, through to the crowd arrival at a large event and that camera was referred to by the production team as a witness camera. 

On a different shoot with a similar time lapse sequence, large boards bearing individual large letters were to be mounted on the set. Somebody from the construction dept must have sussed out the time lapse interval because some carefully selected letters were stacked up prominently in shot and removed one by one so that the time lapse sequence flashed up a rude word, one letter at a time, as each letter was removed and put into its final position. In real time, there seemed nothing odd about what they were doing, the prank was only noticed afterwards when the time lapse sequence was viewed. 

 Alan Taylor

> On 20 Aug 2021, at 13:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them to see "Jungle Cruise".  Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, and then a single brief caption!
> 
> Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended, but one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".  Eh???
> 
> We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...
> 
> Best regards, keep safe,
> Alec
> 
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Aug 21 03:38:06 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 09:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
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Another current use of the term in the broadcast industry is in VR or AR where the witness cameras are the ones attached to the main camera looking up to detect tracking markers or light pattern to allow the computer (render engine) to work out where the camera is and so what pictures it needs to create. 




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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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In non-broadcast usage, a witness camera can be what most of us in the UK would know as a dash cam.? I?ve been asked if I wanted to hire a witness camera when renting a car, but there was no mention of it needing an operator.

I did a shoot for an American company where somebody set up a fixed camera to make a time lapse recording of the initial set up, through to the crowd arrival at a large event and that camera was referred to by the production team as a witness camera.

On a different shoot with a similar time lapse sequence, large boards bearing individual large letters were to be mounted on the set. Somebody from the construction dept must have sussed out the time lapse interval because some carefully selected letters were stacked up prominently in shot and removed one by one so that the time lapse sequence flashed up a rude word, one letter at a time, as each letter was removed and put into its final position. In real time, there seemed nothing odd about what they were doing, the prank was only noticed afterwards when the time lapse sequence was viewed.

Alan Taylor

> On 20 Aug 2021, at 13:36, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
> Grandsons from up North staying with us this week, and today took them to see "Jungle Cruise".? Title was at least 25 minutes into the film, and then a single brief caption!
>
> Of course, with grandsons, we had to leave as soon as the film ended, but one credit caught my eye: "Witness Camera Operator".? Eh???
>
> We all thoroughly enjoyed the film - lots of jokes etc...
>
> Best regards, keep safe,
> Alec
>
>
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sat Aug 21 04:00:55 2021
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 10:00:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Single camera working
Message-ID: <d0xtjvg4um2sphntmusoxboq.1629536455035@email.android.com>

I know that this happened because I was sitting in the newsroom near the news organiser when  he  took the call. The Queen was opening a sports complex and it was the Beebs turn to provide the pool coverage for all networks, and a freelancer was sent to cover it. He phoned the news organiser with a problem. He had set up where he's was told to, but he was on his own. The activity was going on in a different area. When asked where he  was, he replied  "by the swimming pool"

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Aug 21 05:52:47 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2021 11:52:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB198177A909391C6C138486F5A7C19@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Just wondering if producers have managed to dispense with another useful crew member ? namely the continuity person.

Oh, and I put up my hand to carrying several ties in my kit ? wool or cotton, as silk creates noisy rustles against other materials. Now, creaky bra?s are another problem I ran up against, but I don?t carry alternatives! (an older lady presenter on this occasion. No idea what sort of upper-decker-flopper-stopper she had, but I had to give the director a set of cans so he could understand what was bothering me.)
One of my BBC mentors lectured me one day telling me that recording sound was not so much recording what you wanted, but largely getting rid of what you don?t want.

Pat

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On 20 Aug 2021, at 14:34, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
? 
Lots of jargon here: 

Reddit:? "...Witness cameras are useful to illustrate actions or problems in the shot that may not be immediately apparent when looking through the main shotcam. Many times it can be useful to show what is happening from a different angle to explain why a technical aspect is behaving in the way that it is. A simple witness cam flipbook overlaying your slapcomp that shows where the elements are in scene while your main action plays out can be very useful to present during dailies to raise any issues you may be having with the shot, without needing to bring your lead or supe to your individual workstation later when they might not have the time...."

So basically a sort of reference shot



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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Aug 22 08:30:51 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 14:30:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Is this a record?
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Pat - 

Not impressed by your description of female underwear. Please grow-up.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

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> On 21 Aug 2021, at 11:52, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Just wondering if producers have managed to dispense with another useful crew member ? namely the continuity person.
>  
> Oh, and I put up my hand to carrying several ties in my kit ? wool or cotton, as silk creates noisy rustles against other materials. Now, creaky bra?s are another problem I ran up against, but I don?t carry alternatives! (an older lady presenter on this occasion. No idea what sort of upper-decker-flopper-stopper she had, but I had to give the director a set of cans so he could understand what was bothering me.)
> One of my BBC mentors lectured me one day telling me that recording sound was not so much recording what you wanted, but largely getting rid of what you don?t want.
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>  
>  
> On 20 Aug 2021, at 14:34, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> Lots of jargon here:
>  
> Reddit:  "...Witness cameras are useful to illustrate actions or problems in the shot that may not be immediately apparent when looking through the main shotcam. Many times it can be useful to show what is happening from a different angle to explain why a technical aspect is behaving in the way that it is. A simple witness cam flipbook overlaying your slapcomp that shows where the elements are in scene while your main action plays out can be very useful to present during dailies to raise any issues you may be having with the shot, without needing to bring your lead or supe to your individual workstation later when they might not have the time...."
>  
> So basically a sort of reference shot
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 22 16:48:59 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 22:48:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
Message-ID: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>

How's your head for heights? I wouldn't fancy this job at any price! 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 22 16:55:48 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2021 22:55:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How it was done!
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Aug 23 02:02:32 2021
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 08:02:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How it was done!
In-Reply-To: <bdd081b5-87f2-e0a2-32ee-09650726c016@btinternet.com>
References: <bdd081b5-87f2-e0a2-32ee-09650726c016@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <602CD067-10DE-4CC4-80FA-8D0B91C4BDEB@icloud.com>

Bit of a bugger if she?d dropped the cards half-way through the take.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 22 Aug 2021, at 22:55, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I still wouldn't have done it! Cheers, Dave
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Aug 23 03:51:22 2021
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 09:51:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
In-Reply-To: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
References: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <EC90D5B2AA0F4DFA86A17DCB25AAF4FE@Gigabyte>

I thought almost the cleverist thing was how she managed to handle/swap the 
big boards.
I wondered if it was fake writing on boards or lots of separate shots but 
couldn't see any join although some had bent bits on corner.
Clever! Beats having to do my emergency OB training of dropping from a Simon 
Hoist on a Sala Block in a harness.
We used to use these rigging on Water Towers etc to restrict movement to 
edge when hauling up cables/equipment. Then later were told NOT TO DO IT as 
every time they were pulled on and locked, a dent was made in the wire which 
could cause it to break if used in anger.

Still here though!

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:48 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!

How's your head for heights? I wouldn't fancy this job at any price!
Cheers, Dave



From tuckergarth at me.com  Mon Aug 23 04:52:20 2021
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 10:52:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dick Greening
Message-ID: <49738A9C-90AD-438A-A82E-863405187D71@me.com>

I too am very sorry to hear of Dick Greening's passing. Geoff Dudley and I had planned to meet up with Dick on Sept 2nd with our wives, sadly . . .

Just to correct Geoff a little, I was Geoff Feld?s No. 2 before Dick. Having left the BBC I stayed in touch with Mr. Feld; having driven him to a Spurs match one Saturday he looked me straight in the eye at half-time and said ?Dick Greening was my best No. 2. He wasn?t ragging me, he meant it. Knowing Dick as I did I wasn?t surprised.

Garth

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Aug 23 06:09:04 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 12:09:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
In-Reply-To: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
References: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf@mx.google.com>

I recall seeing an item about the crane operator, the crane being perched on the top of the building during construction.
It took so long to climb up and down that he virtually lived in the cabin ? presumably the crane could bring food to him.
There?s a wild video of a guy who climbed the crane jib, without safety rig.
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=climbing+the+tallest+crane+in+dubai

Regards
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 22 August 2021 22:49
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Dave
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!

How's your head for heights? I wouldn't fancy this job at any price! 
Cheers, Dave




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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 23 08:34:22 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 14:34:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
In-Reply-To: <612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf@mx.google.com>
References: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
	<612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5960856bfddavesound@btinternet.com>

In article <612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> It took so long to climb up and down that he virtually lived in the
> cabin ? presumably the crane could bring food to him.

It's not the food I'd have been worried about. ;-)

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Aug 23 08:46:53 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 14:46:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
In-Reply-To: <5960856bfddavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
	<612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf@mx.google.com>
	<5960856bfddavesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <d641a0a0-5bd9-4c30-77fc-2f7b70e9d000@chriswoolf.co.uk>

... Evaporates before it reaches the ground;}

Chris Woolf

On 23/08/2021 14:34, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf at mx.google.com>,
>     patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> It took so long to climb up and down that he virtually lived in the
>> cabin ? presumably the crane could bring food to him.
> It's not the food I'd have been worried about. ;-)
>

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 23 09:10:06 2021
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 15:10:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
In-Reply-To: <EC90D5B2AA0F4DFA86A17DCB25AAF4FE@Gigabyte>
References: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
	<EC90D5B2AA0F4DFA86A17DCB25AAF4FE@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <519F0FBC-C5B1-4FA6-B165-E343331BAD04@btinternet.com>

Writing added later as only two boards used methinks. One with and one without tatty edges. Shadows too good for fake boards.
Barry.



On 23 Aug 2021, at 09:51, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I thought almost the cleverist thing was how she managed to handle/swap the big boards.
> I wondered if it was fake writing on boards or lots of separate shots but couldn't see any join although some had bent bits on corner.
> Clever! Beats having to do my emergency OB training of dropping from a Simon Hoist on a Sala Block in a harness.
> We used to use these rigging on Water Towers etc to restrict movement to edge when hauling up cables/equipment. Then later were told NOT TO DO IT as every time they were pulled on and locked, a dent was made in the wire which could cause it to break if used in anger.
> 
> Still here though!
> 
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2021 10:48 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Dave
> Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
> 
> How's your head for heights? I wouldn't fancy this job at any price!
> Cheers, Dave
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Aug 23 09:10:06 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 14:10:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
In-Reply-To: <d641a0a0-5bd9-4c30-77fc-2f7b70e9d000@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
	<612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf@mx.google.com>
	<5960856bfddavesound@btinternet.com>
	<d641a0a0-5bd9-4c30-77fc-2f7b70e9d000@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB1981E957114D92C7FDD7FC85A7C49@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

How would you know that, unless you were falling with it?
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 23 Aug 2021, at 14:48, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?... Evaporates before it reaches the ground;}
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
>> On 23/08/2021 14:34, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> In article <612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf at mx.google.com>,
>>    patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> It took so long to climb up and down that he virtually lived in the
>>> cabin ? presumably the crane could bring food to him.
>> It's not the food I'd have been worried about. ;-)
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Aug 23 09:16:18 2021
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 15:16:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
In-Reply-To: <PAXP191MB1981E957114D92C7FDD7FC85A7C49@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <86403cb6-15fe-b3fc-79b0-4cf10037c8b6@btinternet.com>
	<612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf@mx.google.com>
	<5960856bfddavesound@btinternet.com>
	<d641a0a0-5bd9-4c30-77fc-2f7b70e9d000@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<PAXP191MB1981E957114D92C7FDD7FC85A7C49@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <ecc7e2f7-f894-eb9a-4f52-1dfc9ddac2a6@chriswoolf.co.uk>

While I was walking round the base of the Humber Bridge tower when it 
was being built, they did warn me not to look up;}

Chris W


On 23/08/2021 15:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> How would you know that, unless you were falling with it?
> N.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 23 Aug 2021, at 14:48, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?... Evaporates before it reaches the ground;}
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>> On 23/08/2021 14:34, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> In article <612381d1.1c69fb81.b68e8.0adf at mx.google.com>,
>>>     patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> It took so long to climb up and down that he virtually lived in the
>>>> cabin ? presumably the crane could bring food to him.
>>> It's not the food I'd have been worried about. ;-)
>>>
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Aug 23 15:29:29 2021
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 20:29:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dick Greening
In-Reply-To: <49738A9C-90AD-438A-A82E-863405187D71@me.com>
References: <49738A9C-90AD-438A-A82E-863405187D71@me.com>
Message-ID: <wapzv0CGg3IcNyr7LLja8NraTmLa7uy7MQ0K2Sp5xkNbiLpyTdMn8q9wZ4kDGnnvcxcwcAbPE60rO4Da7f6M19VeghVY-0IM9e1WVFMmFPo=@protonmail.com>

September 1963, and I met Dick on the induction course, which I think was in the Langham. Simply instant friendship, Dick was the sort of person you felt you'd known for ages, and it was impossible not to like him, such an easy-going character with a great sense of humour.

Early the following year we were on the same TO course, and he, Jules Greenway and myself were 'Conks Incorporated', proud possessors of schnozzles which, although they fell short of Mr. Durante, could nevertheless cast quite a shadow! I also recall Dick's John Lennon impression for our course video, possibly the most memorable section.

In the following years he and I never worked together on the same crew, but we were back in the thick of it when we were setting up the first PSC crews, and, together with the other initial crews, had to assemble all the kit and caboodle and ensure that it was working as expected, not to mention that we were all working as expected too!

Roll on another few months, and we were both on the Lighting Course at Evesham and sharing lifts thereto. On our way up on the first day we were discussing the stories we'd heard about the previous course working almost every day until at least one in the morning. Not a chance, we agreed, we'd be down the club/pub every night. Well, that lighting course was the pinnacle of BBC training courses, and we were immediately swept along with opportunities of gaining a fantastic amount of experience passed on by the top LDs, EMs, etc. resident on the course, and easily working way past one every morning. One of the main goals of the course was to individually produce our own tape of various exercises, culminating with a studio production of a few minutes as the grand finale. However, in the heat of the midnight edit suite I managed to edit over one of the lighting exercises, and the stream of foul language was overheard by Dick. He immediately suggested that I used his version too. So we copied his take onto my tape, and at the end of the course, when we each played our respective tapes, no one noticed that two exercises were the same. Of course, I owned up when we'd all been congratulated on our efforts, and it was taken in good part by all concerned.

So many memories of such good company, leaving a huge gap impossible to fill.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 17:50:26 2021
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 23:50:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dick Greening
In-Reply-To: <wapzv0CGg3IcNyr7LLja8NraTmLa7uy7MQ0K2Sp5xkNbiLpyTdMn8q9wZ4kDGnnvcxcwcAbPE60rO4Da7f6M19VeghVY-0IM9e1WVFMmFPo=@protonmail.com>
References: <49738A9C-90AD-438A-A82E-863405187D71@me.com>
	<wapzv0CGg3IcNyr7LLja8NraTmLa7uy7MQ0K2Sp5xkNbiLpyTdMn8q9wZ4kDGnnvcxcwcAbPE60rO4Da7f6M19VeghVY-0IM9e1WVFMmFPo=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DED1FB2-27E1-4539-BF4B-0CB0574A8923@gmail.com>

Apropos of your eMail Tony - here are a couple of photos I took of Dick with Tony Cahill (also sadly no longer with us now) on TO19 in June 1964. This was a Saturday afternoon boat trip on the Avon down to Chadbury and the locks. Eight of us staying up for the weekend hired a couple of boats and had a light hearted race. Dick did indeed perform brilliant Lennon impersonation on our production exercise show. As you rightly say - Dick was always full off fun and well like by all





Geoff F



> On 23 Aug 2021, at 21:29, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> September 1963, and I met Dick on the induction course, which I think was in the Langham. Simply instant friendship, Dick was the sort of person you felt you'd known for ages, and it was impossible not to like him, such an easy-going character with a great sense of humour.
> 
> Early the following year we were on the same TO course, and he, Jules Greenway and myself were 'Conks Incorporated', proud possessors of schnozzles which, although they fell short of Mr. Durante, could nevertheless cast quite a shadow! I also recall Dick's John Lennon impression for our course video, possibly the most memorable section.
> 
> In the following years he and I never worked together on the same crew, but we were back in the thick of it when we were setting up the first PSC crews, and, together with the other initial crews, had to assemble all the kit and caboodle and ensure that it was working as expected, not to mention that we were all working as expected too!
> 
> Roll on another few months, and we were both on the Lighting Course at Evesham and sharing lifts thereto. On our way up on the first day we were discussing the stories we'd heard about the previous course working almost every day until at least one in the morning. Not a chance, we agreed, we'd be down the club/pub every night. Well, that lighting course was the pinnacle of BBC training courses, and we were immediately swept along with opportunities of gaining a fantastic amount of experience passed on by the top LDs, EMs, etc. resident on the course, and easily working way past one every morning. One of the main goals of the course was to individually produce our own tape of various exercises, culminating with a studio production of a few minutes as the grand finale. However, in the heat of the midnight edit suite I managed to edit over one of the lighting exercises, and the stream of foul language was overheard by Dick. He immediately suggested that I used his version too. So we cop
> ied his take onto my tape, and at the end of the course, when we each played our respective tapes, no one noticed that two exercises were the same. Of course, I owned up when we'd all been congratulated on our efforts, and it was taken in good part by all concerned.
> 
> So many memories of such good company, leaving a huge gap impossible to fill.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> 
> 
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Tue Aug 24 07:52:05 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:52:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Neil McLintock.
Message-ID: <BBF6BC81-3283-4345-9D69-032A21F0A90D@vincent68.plus.com>

Wasn?t he a Spurs fan just to annoy his dad who used to be an Arsenal player?

Yes, another good one gone.

John V

From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Aug 24 07:54:07 2021
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 13:54:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Neil McLintock.
In-Reply-To: <BBF6BC81-3283-4345-9D69-032A21F0A90D@vincent68.plus.com>
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Message-ID: <e7003141-eea3-e504-e309-aab855935ee3@pgtmedia.co.uk>

This was not a few weeks ago, it was back in May.

Paul

On 24/08/2021 13:52, crew13 via Tech1 wrote:
> Wasn?t he a Spurs fan just to annoy his dad who used to be an Arsenal player?
>
> Yes, another good one gone.
>
> John V

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Tue Aug 24 08:17:57 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:17:57 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Richard Bellefontaine Snr
References: <5D2FFAC2-5F0D-43F0-8DD4-87057438CA00@bbc.co.uk>
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> From: Peter Neill <peter.neill at bbc.co.uk>
> Date: 24 August 2021 at 09:05:48 CEST
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Fwd: Richard Bellefontaine Snr
> 
> ? 
>> ? Hi All, 
>> I?ve just received this. I have no further details and I suspect that the funeral has already happened. 
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Andy Woolway <andrew.woolway at bbc.co.uk>
>>> Date: 23 August 2021 at 17:39:41 CEST
>>> To: Peter Neill <peter.neill at bbc.co.uk>
>>> Subject: Richard Bellefontaine Snr
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi Peter
>>> In case you didn?t know Richard died last month aged 92, his son is one of my closest friends.
>>> Could you pass the news on to any other BBC people who might remember him
>>> Thanks
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Andy Woolway
>>> Operations Manager BBC News,
>>> Zone A3,
>>> New Broadcasting House,
>>> London. W1A 1AA
>>>  
>>> ( Mobile-- 07711 911575
>>> ( Mobex--289203
>>> 8    andrew.woolway at bbc.co.uk
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Aug 24 09:14:40 2021
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 15:14:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Richard Bellefontaine Snr
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Such a spate of losses these last few days. I meant earlier to add myself to those feeling the loss of Dick Greening as I was on a crew with him for some time and thought, as many have said, what a really nice friendly guy he was. A sound man?s perspective on cameramen personalities includes awareness of who amongst them really try to be helpful when boom problems arise and Dick was certainly one of those. My memories are of long ago but still vivid.

And now Dick Bellefontaine who was my SA1 for a goodly spell and with whom I had a real friendship. At the time he lived in Forest Hill and I regularly visited him there. His wife, of Irish origin, was a lovely warm homely person who made you feel good simply by having the gift of being and looking pleased to see you. We would sit for a meal around their table, not sure I ever counted the children but it was a large table. Dick was totally unpretentious, pretty much unflappable, kind and reliable.

At one time a niece ? Miriam - was over from Ireland and I think I was deemed potentially eligible so met her a couple of times. She was really nice and I remember Dick playfully teasing her by enthusing about her knees! The whole atmosphere in the house was of family warmth, all of them absolutely the salt of the earth.

Transport was a green Morris 1000 van affectionately known as Bessie, one of the memories that has stayed with me. For any of his family  who may see this I can only say how sad a loss it is. Looking back I realise that he and his family somehow found the time to offer a young man up from the provinces a reminder of home and a sense of family. One doesn?t forget these things.

By coincidence there was a recent post of a photo of Dick?s STO course which I then annotated and re-posted. Here it is again

 

Dave Newbitt.

From: Peter Neill via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2021 2:17 PM
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Richard Bellefontaine Snr



  From: Peter Neill <peter.neill at bbc.co.uk>
  Date: 24 August 2021 at 09:05:48 CEST
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Subject: Fwd: Richard Bellefontaine Snr


  ? 

    ? Hi All,  
    I?ve just received this. I have no further details and I suspect that the funeral has already happened. 

    Best

    Peter


    Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

    Begin forwarded message:


      From: Andy Woolway <andrew.woolway at bbc.co.uk>
      Date: 23 August 2021 at 17:39:41 CEST
      To: Peter Neill <peter.neill at bbc.co.uk>
      Subject: Richard Bellefontaine Snr


      ? 
      Hi Peter

      In case you didn?t know Richard died last month aged 92, his son is one of my closest friends.

      Could you pass the news on to any other BBC people who might remember him

      Thanks

       

       

      Andy Woolway

      Operations Manager BBC News,

      Zone A3,

      New Broadcasting House,

      London. W1A 1AA

       

      ( Mobile-- 07711 911575

      ( Mobex--289203

      8    andrew.woolway at bbc.co.uk

       

       



       



       



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 24 17:18:44 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 23:18:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC
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A possible new thread.

Mostly this involves studio crews.
What did you like about working for BBC at TVC/LG/TVT/Riverside?
Could it be:
? Although likened to a factory, it was not a M-F 9-5 job. Even if on a 3-day play, there could be one or two days off afterwards, and during a week, too.
? Different shows to work on ? Drama/LE/Sitcoms/Current affairs/Music
? Call time could be after rush hour, and home time ditto.

For myself, Grams and Sound Supervisors could have a certain amount of pleading to be allocated to favourite programmes ? maybe not open to crew scheduling, though.
I must say that, while enjoying life on Crew3, we were seldom away from the TVT at weekends, so I lost out with parties and gatherings with my non-BBC friends.

Send in your thoughts!

Regards
Pat

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Aug 25 07:11:17 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2021 12:11:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC
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?In the two years before I joined the BBC I was a photography student at Guildford Art School, and spent much of my spare time working as a young volunteer at the old Guildford Repertory Theatre (long before the Yvonne Arnaud was built). Repertory Theatre was fun, and a number of surprisingly famous actors appeared there because of its cosy and close-knit rep company atmosphere. I thought at the time, if I can?t be Tony Armstrong Jones or David Bailey, I?ll go into the Theatre.
However, as destiny had it, on joining the Beeb (Crew2, Frank Wilkins, etc) I started off by thinking what a huge impersonal place The TV Centre was, but very quickly realised that as one of a crew, each and every production and studio was, for that particular day, a small repertory-like unit. Then, any other day, the same would apply with a completely different set of cast, prod team, pool-people, etc.
I liked the way that we all got to know each other as friends, and that even if you didn?t see someone for months on end, you always just carried on where you left off last time you saw them. Small groups of people, but lots of them ever changing. A vast sausage factory in principle, but not in practice.
Nearly six years after I left the BBC, I had occasion to accompany a young singer as his recording manager, to TVC for a TOTP appearance. He/we had recorded a single that had made it to No13 in the pop charts. Not bad in those days for a young St Paul?s Chorister!
But the thing that struck me was that everywhere I went in that building, people said casually ?O Hi, Nick, what are you on today?? (Meaning production, not drugs!) as if I?d never left. Similar experience on Russell Harty Show and Simon Dee. And then again years later, doing Red Nose Day celeb p-to-c?s.
Life at TVC was a big, but close-knit community.
As to choosing what programmes to work on - all I?ll say is, you just had to be ?in? with the right people!
If I could have those years all over again I wouldn?t change a thing, other than maybe a couple of ?what-ifs??
I?ll shut up now - I?m supposed to be preparing a speech for my daughter?s wedding tomorrow!
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 24 Aug 2021, at 23:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
A possible new thread.

Mostly this involves studio crews.
What did you like about working for BBC at TVC/LG/TVT/Riverside?
Could it be:

  *   Although likened to a factory, it was not a M-F 9-5 job. Even if on a 3-day play, there could be one or two days off afterwards, and during a week, too.
  *   Different shows to work on ? Drama/LE/Sitcoms/Current affairs/Music
  *   Call time could be after rush hour, and home time ditto.

For myself, Grams and Sound Supervisors could have a certain amount of pleading to be allocated to favourite programmes ? maybe not open to crew scheduling, though.
I must say that, while enjoying life on Crew3, we were seldom away from the TVT at weekends, so I lost out with parties and gatherings with my non-BBC friends.

Send in your thoughts!

Regards
Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 26 05:46:22 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 11:46:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC
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Thank you, Nick, for sharing your thoughts. I hadn?t realised quite how similar our BBC careers were, including Grams ? I, too started on Crew2 with Frank Wilkins as #1. (Geoff Feld was my first mentor). What struck me was the willingness of everyone to pass on information in training us to become professional technicians, and melding together as a crew to produce the best possible quality of programme production. Very much a team effort, always. (I do recall that Jim Atkinson reckoned he taught me camera operation in 30 mins!).
Apropos of earlier input from others, there is no doubt that due to the broad training we received in all disciplines, a cameraman could indeed make a decent fist of sound, or a sound guy might sensibly handle a camera.
As to the ?what if?s?, yes there were a couple of occasions where I made horrendous cock-ups on Grams, and could have done with Dr. Who?s Tardis or the DeLorean from ?Back to the Future? to magic me back in time to put things right!
Nick - your description of yourself as ?The Young Volunteer? conjures up the name of a pub, and I can visualise a sign depicting you going into battle, somehow!

The shower of guys dropping off the branch (like leaves in Monty Python) only serves to hammer home the realisation that we are all getting older, and infirm. Not yet dribbling, though!
It seems that the Big C, Altzheimers and Parkinsons are the enemies now, with Covid entering from the wings.

Hope everyone is managing to keep well.

Pat
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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 25 August 2021 13:11
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC

?In the two years before I joined the BBC I was a photography student at Guildford Art School, and spent much of my spare time working as a young volunteer at the old Guildford Repertory Theatre (long before the Yvonne Arnaud was built). Repertory Theatre was fun, and a number of surprisingly famous actors appeared there because of its cosy and close-knit rep company atmosphere. I thought at the time, if I can?t be Tony Armstrong Jones or David Bailey, I?ll go into the Theatre. 
However, as destiny had it, on joining the Beeb (Crew2, Frank Wilkins, etc) I started off by thinking what a huge impersonal place The TV Centre was, but very quickly realised that as one of a crew, each and every production and studio was, for that particular day, a small repertory-like unit. Then, any other day, the same would apply with a completely different set of cast, prod team, pool-people, etc.
I liked the way that we all got to know each other as friends, and that even if you didn?t see someone for months on end, you always just carried on where you left off last time you saw them. Small groups of people, but lots of them ever changing. A vast sausage factory in principle, but not in practice.
Nearly six years after I left the BBC, I had occasion to accompany a young singer as his recording manager, to TVC for a TOTP appearance. He/we had recorded a single that had made it to No13 in the pop charts. Not bad in those days for a young St Paul?s Chorister!
But the thing that struck me was that everywhere I went in that building, people said casually ?O Hi, Nick, what are you on today?? (Meaning production, not drugs!) as if I?d never left. Similar experience on Russell Harty Show and Simon Dee. And then again years later, doing Red Nose Day celeb p-to-c?s.
Life at TVC was a big, but close-knit community.
As to choosing what programmes to work on - all I?ll say is, you just had to be ?in? with the right people!
If I could have those years all over again I wouldn?t change a thing, other than maybe a couple of ?what-ifs??
I?ll shut up now - I?m supposed to be preparing a speech for my daughter?s wedding tomorrow!
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


On 24 Aug 2021, at 23:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
A possible new thread.
?
Mostly this involves studio crews.
What did you like about working for BBC at TVC/LG/TVT/Riverside?
Could it be:
? Although likened to a factory, it was not a M-F 9-5 job. Even if on a 3-day play, there could be one or two days off afterwards, and during a week, too.
? Different shows to work on ? Drama/LE/Sitcoms/Current affairs/Music
? Call time could be after rush hour, and home time ditto.
?
For myself, Grams and Sound Supervisors could have a certain amount of pleading to be allocated to favourite programmes ? maybe not open to crew scheduling, though.
I must say that, while enjoying life on Crew3, we were seldom away from the TVT at weekends, so I lost out with parties and gatherings with my non-BBC friends.
?
Send in your thoughts!
?
Regards
Pat
?
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 08:40:38 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 14:40:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours
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A while back - actually a decade or so ago - I asked people to write 
their working life stories for the website . I didn't get that many, 
unfortunately? - so now is a chance to add to those.

Have a look at Clive Doig's - 
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2010/09/clive-doig-stories-from-a-life-in-tv/ 
and then write yours. You must have done something.

Meanwhile the BBC PA, in the persons of David Allen and George Auckland, 
are doing sound interviews for their 100 Voices project. I've done mine, 
so your turn now.

B



On 26/08/2021 11:46, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Thank you, Nick, for sharing your thoughts. I hadn?t realised quite 
> how similar our BBC careers were, including Grams ? I, too started on 
> Crew2 with Frank Wilkins as #1. (Geoff Feld was my first mentor). What 
> struck me was the willingness of everyone to pass on information in 
> training us to become professional technicians, and melding together 
> as a crew to produce the best possible quality of programme 
> production. Very much a team effort, always. (I do recall that Jim 
> Atkinson reckoned he taught me camera operation in 30 mins!).
>
> Apropos of earlier input from others, there is no doubt that due to 
> the broad training we received in all disciplines, a cameraman could 
> indeed make a decent fist of sound, or a sound guy might sensibly 
> handle a camera.
>
> As to the ?what if?s?, yes there were a couple of occasions where I 
> made horrendous cock-ups on Grams, and could have done with Dr. Who?s 
> Tardis or the DeLorean from ?Back to the Future? to magic me back in 
> time to put things right!
>
> Nick - your description of yourself as ?The Young Volunteer? conjures 
> up the name of a pub, and I can visualise a sign depicting you going 
> into battle, somehow!
>
> The shower of guys dropping off the branch (like leaves in Monty 
> Python) only serves to hammer home the realisation that we are all 
> getting older, and infirm. Not yet dribbling, though!
>
> It seems that the Big C, Altzheimers and Parkinsons are the enemies 
> now, with Covid entering from the wings.
>
> Hope everyone is managing to keep well.
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows
>
> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *25 August 2021 13:11
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC
>
> ?In the two years before I joined the BBC I was a photography student 
> at Guildford Art School, and spent much of my spare time working as a 
> young volunteer at the old Guildford Repertory Theatre (long before 
> the Yvonne Arnaud was built). Repertory Theatre was fun, and a number 
> of surprisingly famous actors appeared there because of its cosy and 
> close-knit rep company atmosphere. I thought at the time, if I can?t 
> be Tony Armstrong Jones or David Bailey, I?ll go into the Theatre.
>
> However, as destiny had it, on joining the Beeb (Crew2, Frank Wilkins, 
> etc) I started off by thinking what a huge impersonal place The TV 
> Centre was, but very quickly realised that as one of a crew, each and 
> every production and studio was, for that particular day, a small 
> repertory-like unit. Then, any other day, the same would apply with a 
> completely different set of cast, prod team, pool-people, etc.
>
> I liked the way that we all got to know each other as friends, and 
> that even if you didn?t see someone for months on end, you always just 
> carried on where you left off last time you saw them. Small groups of 
> people, but lots of them ever changing. A vast sausage factory in 
> principle, but not in practice.
>
> Nearly six years after I left the BBC, I had occasion to accompany a 
> young singer as his recording manager, to TVC for a TOTP appearance. 
> He/we had recorded a single that had made it to No13 in the pop 
> charts. Not bad in those days for a young St Paul?s Chorister!
>
> But the thing that struck me was that everywhere I went in that 
> building, people said casually ?O Hi, Nick, what are you on today?? 
> (Meaning production, not drugs!) as if I?d never left. Similar 
> experience on Russell Harty Show and Simon Dee. And then again years 
> later, doing Red Nose Day celeb p-to-c?s.
>
> Life at TVC was a big, but close-knit community.
>
> As to choosing what programmes to work on - all I?ll say is, you just 
> had to be ?in? with the right people!
>
> If I could have those years all over again I wouldn?t change a thing, 
> other than maybe a couple of ?what-ifs??
>
> I?ll shut up now - I?m supposed to be preparing a speech for my 
> daughter?s wedding tomorrow!
> Cheers,
>
> N.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>
>
>     On 24 Aug 2021, at 23:19, patheigham via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     ?
>
>     A possible new thread.
>
>     Mostly this involves studio crews.
>
>     *What did you like about working for BBC at TVC/LG/TVT/Riverside?*
>
>     Could it be:
>
>       * Although likened to a factory, it was not a M-F 9-5 job. Even
>         if on a 3-day play, there could be one or two days off
>         afterwards, and during a week, too.
>       * Different shows to work on ? Drama/LE/Sitcoms/Current
>         affairs/Music
>       * Call time could be after rush hour, and home time ditto.
>
>     For myself, Grams and Sound Supervisors could have a certain
>     amount of pleading to be allocated to favourite programmes ? maybe
>     not open to crew scheduling, though.
>
>     I must say that, while enjoying life on Crew3, we were seldom away
>     from the TVT at weekends, so I lost out with parties and
>     gatherings with my non-BBC friends.
>
>     Send in your thoughts!
>
>     Regards
>
>     Pat
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 26 09:29:01 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:29:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours
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What wonderful tales from Clive Doig ? I remember him from Vision Mixing while I was on sound.
Think he now sets the quiz questions for Radio Times?
Will try and describe some more stories.
Is anyone editing all this together?

Here?s a story about Grandstand:

Memories of David Coleman
Having just watched the BBC2 programme on David Coleman (03/05/11) I was reminded that there were two incidents that did not make it to the transmission:
I was on the Sound Crew in Studio G Lime Grove on both occasions. 
1. David's perfect professionalism - an event suddenly occurred in a Cricket OB - rapid cue to David to link to the OB, and as he was in the middle of the announcement "so now over to......" Shout down the talkback "We don't know who the commentator is!" without breaking stride, he finished "....to our man on the spot"
Brilliant!
2. Brian Cowgill, the then director of Grandstand, had a habit of throwing his pencils at the monitor bank - this because there was a TV alongside, showing ITV's coverage - if they got to transmit a result before BBC, he went apeshit!
On one afternoon, even before the playout music had finished, David arrived in the gallery, his earpiece lead still dangling, and confronted Cowgill.
"I am sick and tired of hearing a stream of 'Jesus Christ's' and 'effing hell' coming on talkback - if you can't say anything sensible, then I'm not wearing this!" And he wrenched the earpiece out and threw it at Cowgill.
We stood around, silently applauding.

Pat


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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 26 August 2021 14:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours

A while back - actually a decade or so ago - I asked people to write their working life stories for the website . I didn't get that many, unfortunately? - so now is a chance to add to those.

Have a look at Clive Doig's -? http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2010/09/clive-doig-stories-from-a-life-in-tv/? and then write yours. You must have done something.

Meanwhile the BBC PA, in the persons of David Allen and George Auckland, are doing sound interviews for their 100 Voices project. I've done mine, so your turn now.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 26 09:52:16 2021
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 15:52:16 +0100
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In his discourse (which is worth a read!),
Clive Doig mentions  Directors Mervyn Pinfield and Rudi Cartier.
Never worked with Cartier but I heard a story that at the end of rehearsal the camera cables were hopelessly knotted up with all the moves. Cartier had the solution ? make all the camera moves in reverse, so the knot is tied to start with, by the end it should all come out free!
Pinfield used all five cameras with one per composite set, so a lot of work for the camera guys, to operate developing shots.
Think he might also have ?borrowed? the spare camera, too!
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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 26 August 2021 14:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours

A while back - actually a decade or so ago - I asked people to write their working life stories for the website . I didn't get that many, unfortunately? - so now is a chance to add to those.

Have a look at Clive Doig's -? http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2010/09/clive-doig-stories-from-a-life-in-tv/? and then write yours. You must have done something.

Meanwhile the BBC PA, in the persons of David Allen and George Auckland, are doing sound interviews for their 100 Voices project. I've done mine, so your turn now.

B

?
?



On 24 Aug 2021, at 23:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
A possible new thread.
?
Mostly this involves studio crews.
What did you like about working for BBC at TVC/LG/TVT/Riverside?
Could it be:
1. Although likened to a factory, it was not a M-F 9-5 job. Even if on a 3-day play, there could be one or two days off afterwards, and during a week, too.
2. Different shows to work on ? Drama/LE/Sitcoms/Current affairs/Music
3. Call time could be after rush hour, and home time ditto.
?
For myself, Grams and Sound Supervisors could have a certain amount of pleading to be allocated to favourite programmes ? maybe not open to crew scheduling, though.
I must say that, while enjoying life on Crew3, we were seldom away from the TVT at weekends, so I lost out with parties and gatherings with my non-BBC friends.
?
Send in your thoughts!
?
Regards
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 10:42:28 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:42:28 +0100
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No, no one is editing it. You write the piece just as Clive did and I put
the whole lot on the website just as I did for Clive.

On Thu, 26 Aug 2021, 15:29 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> What wonderful tales from Clive Doig ? I remember him from Vision Mixing
> while I was on sound.
>
> Think he now sets the quiz questions for Radio Times?
>
> Will try and describe some more stories.
>
> Is anyone editing all this together?
>
>
>
> Here?s a story about Grandstand:
>
>
>
> *Memories of David Coleman*
>
> Having just watched the BBC2 programme on David Coleman (03/05/11) I was
> reminded that there were two incidents that did not make it to the
> transmission:
>
> I was on the Sound Crew in Studio G Lime Grove on both occasions.
>
> 1. David's perfect professionalism - an event suddenly occurred in a
> Cricket OB - rapid cue to David to link to the OB, and as he was in the
> middle of the announcement "so now over to......" Shout down the talkback
> "We don't know who the commentator is!" without breaking stride, he
> finished "....to our man on the spot"
>
> Brilliant!
>
> 2. Brian Cowgill, the then director of Grandstand, had a habit of throwing
> his pencils at the monitor bank - this because there was a TV alongside,
> showing ITV's coverage - if they got to transmit a result before BBC, he
> went apeshit!
>
> On one afternoon, even before the playout music had finished, David
> arrived in the gallery, his earpiece lead still dangling, and confronted
> Cowgill.
>
> "I am sick and tired of hearing a stream of 'Jesus Christ's' and 'effing
> hell' coming on talkback - if you can't say anything sensible, then I'm not
> wearing this!" And he wrenched the earpiece out and threw it at Cowgill.
>
> We stood around, silently applauding.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
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> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *26 August 2021 14:40
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours
>
>
>
> A while back - actually a decade or so ago - I asked people to write their
> working life stories for the website . I didn't get that many,
> unfortunately  - so now is a chance to add to those.
>
> Have a look at Clive Doig's -
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2010/09/clive-doig-stories-from-a-life-in-tv/
> and then write yours. You must have done something.
>
> Meanwhile the BBC PA, in the persons of David Allen and George Auckland,
> are doing sound interviews for their 100 Voices project. I've done mine, so
> your turn now.
>
> B
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 26 10:50:30 2021
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 16:50:30 +0100
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Hi Bernie

On 26/08/2021 14:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I asked people to write their working life stories for the website . I 
> didn't get that many, unfortunately? - so now is a chance to add to those

I can't emulate Clive, and only have a few years to tell (and in lowly 
positions) , but I am happy to have a go!

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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Aug 26 14:37:41 2021
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Just read your introductory offer Clive ~ brilliant! But before I get around to offering my own reminiscences (don?t hold your breath!), can I just correct one thing? Peter Friese-Green was not ?demoted? to the audio unit in Bristol ~ when I arrived there fresh from Evesham he was performing the role of Senior Cameraman, though I?m not sure whether that was officially his role, but I don?t recall him doing anything other than camera operations. He was not a well man ~ he?d obviously had major surgery on his neck and I think that was part of the reason for being moved to Bristol, where he had significant influence on the training of camera staff. I remember liking him as an affable but precise gentleman, who had a way with words and floored the DG when a deputation of BBC glitterati descended on Bristol to tell virtually the whole of the assembled company in Studio A how great "Broadcasting in the 70s? was going to be. I think that reorganisation created the regional Audio Units, encompassing TV and Radio which had been separately staffed until then. Peter waxed lyrical about the BBC he had known, which he now thought was in decline and made several references to ?those within and those without? who exercised influence over the Beeb beyond their own areas of expertise, mostly from a financial standpoint. The DG in question was probably Alasdair Milne and I don?t think he really understood a word of what Peter was saying, but I?m sure there was a hearty round of applause when Peter sat down. It?s amazing how inaccurate memory can be, because I think I was manning the boom for questions from the floor, but I couldn?t swear to it.

Hopefully you have some humorous reminiscences from Vision On, which you directed in Bristol, Clive, with me as Gram Op. It was a great tribute to Patrick Dowling that he placed great importance on the sound content of a programme for the deaf! Our children, both with normal hearing, absolutely loved it and quite a few adults were hooked. Even today ?Left Bank Two? strikes a chord with lots of people.

Mike G

> On 26 Aug 2021, at 16:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bernie
> 
> On 26/08/2021 14:40, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I asked people to write their working life stories for the website . I didn't get that many, unfortunately  - so now is a chance to add to those
> I can't emulate Clive, and only have a few years to tell (and in lowly positions) , but I am happy to have a go!  
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 26 15:06:38 2021
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Vision On
I heard that there was some time left at a music session, and the vibraphone player started to busk a tune, and the band joined in. A recording was made and that became the backing for the kid?s paintings.
Anyone got a definitive version or different for this story?

My other group (Association of Motion Picture Sound) wanted to support a charity, which had to do with sound in some form.
We supported Hearing Dogs for Deaf People, followed by Ovingdean House School, for deaf kids, which sadly closed as the local educational authorities withdrew funding for the weekly boarders. Subsequent projects included the installation of an induction loop for the cinema/TV room at Glebelands, the residential home for cinema veterans, which I heard is no longer. Also a sound system for Christopher?s ? a hospice for life limited children, as music is apparently a useful therapy.
Pat

Hopefully you have some humorous reminiscences from Vision On, which you directed in Bristol, Clive, with me as Gram Op. It was a great tribute to Patrick Dowling that he placed great importance on the sound content of a programme for the deaf! Our children, both with normal hearing, absolutely loved it and quite a few adults were hooked. Even today ?Left Bank Two? strikes a chord with lots of people.

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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Aug 26 15:15:12 2021
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 21:15:12 +0100
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I?m a bit slow in agreeing with Alasdair on this one ~ I am also aggravated by BBC News'  ?in the last 24 hour period? when referring to Covid19 statistics ~ what?s wrong with ?in the last 24 hours??

Mike G



> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)"  What's wrong with "soon"?
> 
> And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
> 
> I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
> Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Is it just me?  It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>> 
>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be. 
>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!
>> 
>> These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>> 
>> 
>> <Image.jpeg>
>> 
>> 
>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>> 
>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money. 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?. 
>> 
>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>>   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Aug 26 15:31:17 2021
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 21:31:17 +0100
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Never use one word when ten will confuse the issue!
? 
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> On 26 Aug 2021, at 21:15, M E GILES via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug 26 15:58:11 2021
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 21:58:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Trouble is, Mike, that the BBC presentation is now staffed with ill-educated people, who do not know how to speak, and the received pronunciation that once was the BBC standard has ?gorn out t? window?.

I was somewhat ?annoyed? when I was given a trainee direct graduate entry to train, who though he would get a SS job over me, who had been 6 years learning the job.
I didn?t tell him all of the tricks of the trade. And was delighted when I heard (after I left) that he f****d up a tape playback on a live show.
Sadly he got the SS job. Such is the stupidity of management. No loyalty to the guys who had beavered away, learning the business over several years.
Maybe it was all about money ? save it not having to train people.
( Oh! The direct entry idea works! No it doesn?t ? it alienates the loyal under guys who worked hard, learning the business properly).

I was grateful to the BBC for the training I received which stood me in good stead when I broke into the film industry.

Pat


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I?m a bit slow in agreeing with Alasdair on this one ~ I am also aggravated by BBC News'  ?in the last 24 hour period? when referring to Covid19 statistics ~ what?s wrong with ?in the last 24 hours??

Mike G



> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)"  What's wrong with "soon"?
> 
> And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
> 
> I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
> Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance



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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Aug 26 16:09:44 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 22:09:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours
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Wiki has an article about Left Bank Two.  

It was composed in 1963 by Wayne Hill, recorded by a group of Dutch session musicians called The Noveltones and released as the ?B? side of a disk of De Wolfe library music. No prizes for guessing that Left Bank One was to be found on the ?A? side of that disc.

Following its popularity on Vision On, it was re-released as a 7? single in the 1970s, but this time the ?A? side was Left Bank Two, while Left Bank One became the ?B? side.

Alan Taylor



> On 26 Aug 2021, at 21:07, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Vision On
> I heard that there was some time left at a music session, and the vibraphone player started to busk a tune, and the band joined in. A recording was made and that became the backing for the kid?s paintings.
> Anyone got a definitive version or different for this story?
>  
> My other group (Association of Motion Picture Sound) wanted to support a charity, which had to do with sound in some form.
> We supported Hearing Dogs for Deaf People, followed by Ovingdean House School, for deaf kids, which sadly closed as the local educational authorities withdrew funding for the weekly boarders. Subsequent projects included the installation of an induction loop for the cinema/TV room at Glebelands, the residential home for cinema veterans, which I heard is no longer. Also a sound system for Christopher?s ? a hospice for life limited children, as music is apparently a useful therapy.
> Pat
>  
> Hopefully you have some humorous reminiscences from Vision On, which you directed in Bristol, Clive, with me as Gram Op. It was a great tribute to Patrick Dowling that he placed great importance on the sound content of a programme for the deaf! Our children, both with normal hearing, absolutely loved it and quite a few adults were hooked. Even today ?Left Bank Two? strikes a chord with lots of people.
>  
> Mike G
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> 
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Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2021 22:12:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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Perhaps Peter?s interpretation of ?the last 24 hour period? is what BBC News actually means, but I?m sure that very few viewers would differentiate that from ?in the last 24 hours?. Potentially ambiguous phrases should always be avoided ~ especially when repeated ad nauseam ~ even some of the news presenters abbreviate it to ?in the last 24 hours?, so obviously they don?t appreciate the subtlety of the distinction!

Mike G

> On 26 Aug 2021, at 21:58, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> Trouble is, Mike, that the BBC presentation is now staffed with ill-educated people, who do not know how to speak, and the received pronunciation that once was the BBC standard has ?gorn out t? window?.
>  
> I was somewhat ?annoyed? when I was given a trainee direct graduate entry to train, who though he would get a SS job over me, who had been 6 years learning the job.
> I didn?t tell him all of the tricks of the trade. And was delighted when I heard (after I left) that he f****d up a tape playback on a live show.
> Sadly he got the SS job. Such is the stupidity of management. No loyalty to the guys who had beavered away, learning the business over several years.
> Maybe it was all about money ? save it not having to train people.
> ( Oh! The direct entry idea works! No it doesn?t ? it alienates the loyal under guys who worked hard, learning the business properly).
>  
> I was grateful to the BBC for the training I received which stood me in good stead when I broke into the film industry.
>  
> Pat
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> I?m a bit slow in agreeing with Alasdair on this one ~ I am also aggravated by BBC News'  ?in the last 24 hour period? when referring to Covid19 statistics ~ what?s wrong with ?in the last 24 hours??
>  
> Mike G
>  
>  
>  
> > On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> > 
> > Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)"  What's wrong with "soon"?
> > 
> > And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
> > 
> > I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
> > Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
> > 
> > 
> > Alasdair Lawrance
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Aug 27 01:12:07 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 07:12:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 24 hours
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But the distinction is meaningless unless they explain each time that that is what they mean. There will always be first time viewers who know nothing of the convention - I?m not a first time viewer by any means and I?ve never heard Peter?s explanation before. 

Mime G

> On 27 Aug 2021, at 00:22, Geoffrey Hawkes <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?ve thought about that myself and concluded that ?the last 24 hours? means from the point of utterance, whereas ?the last 24 hour period? implies a fixed timing from whatever hour in the day they do the sums,
> 
> Geoff
> 
>> On 26 Aug 2021, at 21:15, M E GILES via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m a bit slow in agreeing with Alasdair on this one ~ I am also aggravated by BBC News'  ?in the last 24 hour period? when referring to Covid19 statistics ~ what?s wrong with ?in the last 24 hours??
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)"  What's wrong with "soon"?
>>> 
>>> And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
>>> 
>>> I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
>>> Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>> 
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:24, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Is it just me?  It all seemed to go wrong in 1987 when Michael Fish reported a woman had earlier called the BBC advising of a hurricane on the way before telling the nation: ?Don?t worry, there isn?t!?
>>>> 
>>>> Since then, I strongly feel the TV weather forecasts are covering for this past mistake by predicting that it is going to be worse than it actually turns out to be. 
>>>> That way it looks like we can forgive them more easily because we?d already be carrying our brollies!
>>>> 
>>>> These days I struggle to remember what the television weather forecasts say because I am distracted by the selection of diverse box ticking weather presenters constantly waving their arms about!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <Image.jpeg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Here in the BBC North West region we have a varied selection of, shall we say, colourful?, weather presenters following the news at 10 (where do they find these people?) we had a big lady with a strong accent who looked as if she had just left her job as a fashion consultant on a building site before turning up for a part time job reading the weather wearing 6? stilettos !
>>>> 
>>>> I?m not saying the forecasters are useless but if they were only paid on results, they?d end up owing us money. 
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>>> PS I can confirm ?it will rain or go dark before this time tomorrow?. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 19 Aug 2021, at 15:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?The daily weather forecast has been useless here recently.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In article <611e1715.1c69fb81.64e16.b168 at mx.google.com>,
>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> I wonder if there?s a case to be made that short-term forecasts have
>>>>>> become more accurate due to satellite photography. It must be easier to
>>>>>> track weather fronts and predict where they are going to be in a few
>>>>>> days, when they can be seen? Pat
>>>>> 
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From phider at gmx.com  Fri Aug 27 03:14:58 2021
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 09:14:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours
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My favourite Clive Doig moment was at the start of a Grandstand going on air at 1pm.Packed lunch boxes were being handed out in the gallery to "Production staff". Clive was outraged that he wasn't given one. The reason given was that there were two V/Ms.?Clive said that he was given one he would not put the show on the air. He was refused oSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 26/08/2021  16:43  (GMT+00:00) To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours No, no one is editing it. You write the piece just as Clive did and I put the whole lot on the website just as I did for Clive.On Thu, 26 Aug 2021, 15:29 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:What wonderful tales from Clive Doig ? I remember him from Vision Mixing while I was on sound.Think he now sets the quiz questions for Radio Times?Will try and describe some more stories.Is anyone editing all this together??Here?s a story about Grandstand:?Memories of David ColemanHaving just watched the BBC2 programme on David Coleman (03/05/11) I was reminded that there were two incidents that did not make it to the transmission:I was on the Sound Crew in Studio G Lime Grove on both occasions. 1. David's perfect professionalism - an event suddenly occurred in a Cricket OB - rapid cue to David to link to the OB, and as he was in the middle of the announcement "so now over to......" Shout down the talkback "We don't know who the commentator is!" without breaking stride, he finished "....to our man on the spot"Brilliant!2. Brian Cowgill, the then director of Grandstand, had a habit of throwing his pencils at the monitor bank - this because there was a TV alongside, showing ITV's coverage - if they got to transmit a result before BBC, he went apeshit!On one afternoon, even before the playout music had finished, David arrived in the gallery, his earpiece lead still dangling, and confronted Cowgill."I am sick and tired of hearing a stream of 'Jesus Christ's' and 'effing hell' coming on talkback - if you can't say anything sensible, then I'm not wearing this!" And he wrenched the earpiece out and threw it at Cowgill.We stood around, silently applauding.?Pat??Sent from Mail for Windows?From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1Sent: 26 August 2021 14:40To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours?A while back - actually a decade or so ago - I asked people to write their working life stories for the website . I didn't get that many, unfortunately? - so now is a chance to add to those.Have a look at Clive Doig's -? http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2010/09/clive-doig-stories-from-a-life-in-tv/? and then write yours. You must have done something.Meanwhile the BBC PA, in the persons of David Allen and George Auckland, are doing sound interviews for their 100 Voices project. I've done mine, so your turn now.B??



	
		
			
				
			
		
		
			
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From phider at gmx.com  Fri Aug 27 03:47:13 2021
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Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 09:47:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours
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[sorry for the interruption]once more, so he stood up, put black on the TX monitor and sat on the floor between the monitors and the desk. Despite pleas from Ginge Cowgill, the TM and others he would not budge. Flashing TX lights started. 30 seconds to TX. Nothing on the output monitor. Ten seconds to go. Run opening titles on telecine. Ten, nine eight... no other sound in the gallery. At five seconds to go, a hand appeared from in front of the desk and an ethereal finger, with no apparent owner, selected TK on the V/M panel and up came the titles. On air. He didn't get a lunch box but held the gallery in fearful hostage.Thank you Clive for a great life story, I really enjoyed it.It is perhaps notable that 60 years ago tomorrow I, along with such notables as John Henshall, Pat Heigham, Frank Smith, Chris Glass and Mike Macarthy, joined the BBC.As with Clive's experience there will be no recognition of this by the greatly changed BBC.Best wishes to all Tech-opiansPeter HiderSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: phider via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 27/08/2021  09:15  (GMT+00:00) To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours My favourite Clive Doig moment was at the start of a Grandstand going on air at 1pm.Packed lunch boxes were being handed out in the gallery to "Production staff". Clive was outraged that he wasn't given one. The reason given was that there were two V/Ms.?Clive said that he was given one he would not put the show on the air. He was refused oSent from my Galaxy-------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 26/08/2021  16:43  (GMT+00:00) To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours No, no one is editing it. You write the piece just as Clive did and I put the whole lot on the website just as I did for Clive.On Thu, 26 Aug 2021, 15:29 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:What wonderful tales from Clive Doig ? I remember him from Vision Mixing while I was on sound.Think he now sets the quiz questions for Radio Times?Will try and describe some more stories.Is anyone editing all this together??Here?s a story about Grandstand:?Memories of David ColemanHaving just watched the BBC2 programme on David Coleman (03/05/11) I was reminded that there were two incidents that did not make it to the transmission:I was on the Sound Crew in Studio G Lime Grove on both occasions. 1. David's perfect professionalism - an event suddenly occurred in a Cricket OB - rapid cue to David to link to the OB, and as he was in the middle of the announcement "so now over to......" Shout down the talkback "We don't know who the commentator is!" without breaking stride, he finished "....to our man on the spot"Brilliant!2. Brian Cowgill, the then director of Grandstand, had a habit of throwing his pencils at the monitor bank - this because there was a TV alongside, showing ITV's coverage - if they got to transmit a result before BBC, he went apeshit!On one afternoon, even before the playout music had finished, David arrived in the gallery, his earpiece lead still dangling, and confronted Cowgill."I am sick and tired of hearing a stream of 'Jesus Christ's' and 'effing hell' coming on talkback - if you can't say anything sensible, then I'm not wearing this!" And he wrenched the earpiece out and threw it at Cowgill.We stood around, silently applauding.?Pat??Sent from Mail for Windows?From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1Sent: 26 August 2021 14:40To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: Re: [Tech1] Working life at TVC - time to write yours?A while back - actually a decade or so ago - I asked people to write their working life stories for the website . I didn't get that many, unfortunately? - so now is a chance to add to those.Have a look at Clive Doig's -? http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2010/09/clive-doig-stories-from-a-life-in-tv/? and then write yours. You must have done something.Meanwhile the BBC PA, in the persons of David Allen and George Auckland, are doing sound interviews for their 100 Voices project. I've done mine, so your turn now.B??



	
		
			
				
			
		
		
			
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri Aug 27 05:27:19 2021
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 11:27:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Met. Office
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I think Mike is correct - I have assumed that "the last 24 hour period" is a figure supplied (hopefully) by the NHS or the Office for National Statistics (ONS), and so a bit more reliable than the Daily 'you're all going to die' Express'

Alasdair Lawrance
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> On 26 Aug 2021, at 22:12, M E GILES via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps Peter?s interpretation of ?the last 24 hour period? is what BBC News actually means, but I?m sure that very few viewers would differentiate that from ?in the last 24 hours?. Potentially ambiguous phrases should always be avoided ~ especially when repeated ad nauseam ~ even some of the news presenters abbreviate it to ?in the last 24 hours?, so obviously they don?t appreciate the subtlety of the distinction!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 26 Aug 2021, at 21:58, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Trouble is, Mike, that the BBC presentation is now staffed with ill-educated people, who do not know how to speak, and the received pronunciation that once was the BBC standard has ?gorn out t? window?.
>>  
>> I was somewhat ?annoyed? when I was given a trainee direct graduate entry to train, who though he would get a SS job over me, who had been 6 years learning the job.
>> I didn?t tell him all of the tricks of the trade. And was delighted when I heard (after I left) that he f****d up a tape playback on a live show.
>> Sadly he got the SS job. Such is the stupidity of management. No loyalty to the guys who had beavered away, learning the business over several years.
>> Maybe it was all about money ? save it not having to train people.
>> ( Oh! The direct entry idea works! No it doesn?t ? it alienates the loyal under guys who worked hard, learning the business properly).
>>  
>> I was grateful to the BBC for the training I received which stood me in good stead when I broke into the film industry.
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
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>> To: Tech Ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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>>  
>> I?m a bit slow in agreeing with Alasdair on this one ~ I am also aggravated by BBC News'  ?in the last 24 hour period? when referring to Covid19 statistics ~ what?s wrong with ?in the last 24 hours??
>>  
>> Mike G
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> > On 19 Aug 2021, at 19:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Not really related, but I'm becoming increasingly irritated by radio and tv folk saying "....in the coming weeks ( or months)"  What's wrong with "soon"?
>> > 
>> > And for ".....in the coming days", why not 'shortly'?
>> > 
>> > I've recently been given a face-mask that says "Grumpy, old-fashioned, lefty atheist".
>> > Daren't wear it down Solihull High street......
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Alasdair Lawrance
>>  
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Fri Aug 27 05:50:52 2021
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 11:50:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My Cowgill Story
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Remembering the foul language shouted over talkback by this most demanding
person I recall that whilst a member of Crew 2 during the period Frank
Wilkins was becoming poorly we were allocated a Grandstand.

 

Upon arrival Brian let it be known that Camera 5, the caption camera, was in
for a tough time.

 

Sure enough within minutes the language turned deep blue and we watched
Frank remove his cans and go up to the Control Room. Moments later from
Cowgill, "Hello Frank. How are you? Haven't seen you for ages."

 

"Doing Camera 5" Frank said and returned to the studio. Brian was the nicest
he'd ever been after that.

 

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 27 08:11:00 2021
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:11:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertigo!
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I've seen the video of how this commercial was made, but having seen it
several times, the size of the lady doesn't seem to track the size of the
tower during the zoom out (or whatever).

If I were keen I'd record it and look at it frame by frame to measure the
relative sizes.

-- 
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From tuckergarth at me.com  Fri Aug 27 16:21:19 2021
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2021 22:21:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clive Doig
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I have another anecdote, only Clive could  vouch for its veracity.

Grandstand again. Clive fed up because he was constantly being thwarted when applying for promotion (he was such a brilliant vision mixer they didn?t want to lose him) he thought he would do something spectacular. The first half of an international Rugby match from Twickenham was coming to an end when the broadcast would return to the studio for Half-Time. As the count down started Clive, the Vision-Mixer, slid off his chair and disappeared under the desk. The count down continued 4 3 2 . . . and on 1 that ethereal finger appeared from behind the desk and punched the button bringing the transmission to the the studio. 

Clive is alleged to have said he knew he could hit the right button because he could see the reflection of the desk on the glass wall at the back of the gallery.

Clive was promoted away from Vision-Miixing soon after apparently.

I would so much like this to be true.

Garth

From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 28 02:36:46 2021
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 08:36:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clive Doig
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In the days when the crews provided the vision mixer, Dave While, then a 
dolly-op like me on Bob Warman's Crew 8, was deputed to the Grandstand 
gallery. When Bryan Cowgill shouted his way from Football to Horse 
Racing, Dave was bemused by the various source monitors. Seeing a horse 
he cut to it, only for the shot to pull-out and reveal a policeman 
patrolling the perimeter at another football match. Somehow, Bryan was 
so wrapped up in the handover to Peter O'Sullevan he missed it.? 
Scanning the monitor bank, Dave saw a different horse and took that; 
yes, it turned out to be Ascot and for once Ginge stayed blissful!? Phew!!

Happy days.

Hugh

On 27-Aug-21 10:21 PM, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote:
> I have another anecdote, only Clive could  vouch for its veracity.
>
> Grandstand again. Clive fed up because he was constantly being thwarted when applying for promotion (he was such a brilliant vision mixer they didn?t want to lose him) he thought he would do something spectacular. The first half of an international Rugby match from Twickenham was coming to an end when the broadcast would return to the studio for Half-Time. As the count down started Clive, the Vision-Mixer, slid off his chair and disappeared under the desk. The count down continued 4 3 2 . . . and on 1 that ethereal finger appeared from behind the desk and punched the button bringing the transmission to the the studio.
>
> Clive is alleged to have said he knew he could hit the right button because he could see the reflection of the desk on the glass wall at the back of the gallery.
>
> Clive was promoted away from Vision-Miixing soon after apparently.
>
> I would so much like this to be true.
>
> Garth

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 28 14:21:48 2021
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2021 20:21:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My Cowgill Story
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A favourite story among those who had suffered the verbal tirades from 
'Ging' Cowgill came during the 1966 World Cup? when an urgent message 
came down the line from Middlesborough where North Korea were due to 
play. It said that there was a new player coming on for them called Shau 
Tin Jinj. I'm glad I wasn't around when the 'loud one' worked out the 
pronunciation! Cheers, Dave

On 27/08/2021 11:50, jpbarlow--- via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Remembering the foul language shouted over talkback by this most 
> demanding person I recall that whilst a member of Crew 2 during the 
> period Frank Wilkins was becoming poorly we were allocated a Grandstand.
>
> Upon arrival Brian let it be known that Camera 5, the caption camera, 
> was in for a tough time.
>
> Sure enough within minutes the language turned deep blue and we 
> watched Frank remove his cans and go up to the Control Room. Moments 
> later from Cowgill, ?Hello Frank. How are you? Haven?t seen you for ages.?
>
> ?Doing Camera 5? Frank said and returned to the studio. Brian was the 
> nicest he?d ever been after that.
>
> JohnB
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 29 05:55:45 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:55:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Residuals
Message-ID: <612b67b0.1c69fb81.ba2a.dcd5@mx.google.com>

Here?s another topic to get fired up about!
Q. Do actors get further payments for their films being shown on TV? Certain movies get unbelievable repeat exposure.
Are they on a buy-out deal, like us poor technicians who get nothing for repeats, bearing in mind that to fill the schedules would cost a pretty penny to create fresh material.
Actors are very well paid for their initial input, so why should they get more?
I knew of one German channel which paid residuals to technicians, but cannot remember which one.

And this will annoy people who think I should keep my mouth shut, - but I?ve always wanted to come up against an actor who is playing ?the big I am? and say to him, ? you are being paid millions for your job, I?m getting a fraction, but I?m expected to get my job right every single time, in case you get it right once!?

I was lucky to work with excellent actors, so it never occurred!
On one occasion, ?Death of a Salesman? (BBC 1966) I was discussing with the director(Alan Cooke) at outside rehearsal, what was required for sound FX, when Rod Steiger (playing Willy Loman) wanted desperately to talk to our director. He apologised to me profusely for cutting in ? what a genuinely polite man. It was a year later that he played in ?In the Heat of the Night? probably his best ever screen performance.

Respect, there!
Pat

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 29 06:15:48 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:15:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Small radio mics
Message-ID: <612b6c63.1c69fb81.89eb5.c88e@mx.google.com>

Happened to catch ?Miss Caribbean 2020? yesterday on London Live, whilst channel surfing. I was interested when each finalist was interviewed ? there was a small clip-on radio transmitter unit, about the size of a matchbox, and presumably quick to fit and remove, although rather noticeable outside clothing. Now if manufacturers could manage to miniaturise down to a fountain pen, how useful would that be!
I have a Bluetooth receiver worn in a headband, for listening to radio through the night. It?s very slim, about two inches by one, powered by rechargeable battery. The audio quality is excellent. Perhaps a transmitter version could follow?
https://www.sleepphones.com/sleepphones/bluetooth-sleep-headphones

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 29 06:25:05 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 12:25:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My Cowgill Story
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Love it, but rather smacks of invention, Dave!
My studio G story wasn?t with Cowgill, but Michael Mills:

Gram Op Finger Trouble!
In the 60?s I worked on a fantastic programme to celebrate Winston Churchill?s 90th Birthday.
It took the form of a resum? of the entertainments that would have been prevalent during his life ?music hall ? plays etc. I was busy on most of the pre-recorded, well-staged reconstructions, and the whole thing was to be assembled like a live show in LG ?G?, with 625, 525 Ampex, 16 and 35mm telerecording also.
The Director was Michael Mills, Len Shorey the Sound Supervisor. 
There were loads of telecine and VT inserts, Noel Coward narrating live in the studio, and lots of audio tape material of speeches and music.
Accidentally, I forgot to close the fader after a piece of taped narration, and it ran on into the next cue! Michael Mills was furious and stomped into the Sound Control shouting at me: ?That?s going all over the World, and you?ve made a mistake!? I wished the floor would open. Just after that, there was a cut to a caption camera that focussed up late, on shot, then a VT insert was miscued, and the opening music notes were missed, so then it all came to a grinding halt. Of course, it all went back to the point of my mistake, so I was wearing it.

Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 28 August 2021 20:22
To: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] My Cowgill Story

A favourite story among those who had suffered the verbal tirades from 'Ging' Cowgill came during the 1966 World Cup? when an urgent message came down the line from Middlesborough where North Korea were due to play. It said that there was a new player coming on for them called Shau Tin Jinj. I'm glad I wasn't around when the 'loud one' worked out the pronunciation! Cheers, Dave



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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 29 10:26:37 2021
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 16:26:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Clive Doig etc.
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It was of course Dave WHITE.

Hugh

On 28-Aug-21 8:36 AM, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote:
> In the days when the crews provided the vision mixer, Dave While, then 
> a dolly-op like me on Bob Warman's Crew 8, was deputed to the 
> Grandstand gallery. When Bryan Cowgill shouted his way from Football 
> to Horse Racing, Dave was bemused by the various source monitors. 
> Seeing a horse he cut to it, only for the shot to pull-out and reveal 
> a policeman patrolling the perimeter at another football match. 
> Somehow, Bryan was so wrapped up in the handover to Peter O'Sullevan 
> he missed it.? Scanning the monitor bank, Dave saw a different horse 
> and took that; yes, it turned out to be Ascot and for once Ginge 
> stayed blissful!? Phew!!
>
> Happy days.
>
> Hugh
>
> On 27-Aug-21 10:21 PM, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote:
>> I have another anecdote, only Clive could  vouch for its veracity.
>>
>> Grandstand again. Clive fed up because he was constantly being thwarted when applying for promotion (he was such a brilliant vision mixer they didn?t want to lose him) he thought he would do something spectacular. The first half of an international Rugby match from Twickenham was coming to an end when the broadcast would return to the studio for Half-Time. As the count down started Clive, the Vision-Mixer, slid off his chair and disappeared under the desk. The count down continued 4 3 2 . . . and on 1 that ethereal finger appeared from behind the desk and punched the button bringing the transmission to the the studio.
>>
>> Clive is alleged to have said he knew he could hit the right button because he could see the reflection of the desk on the glass wall at the back of the gallery.
>>
>> Clive was promoted away from Vision-Miixing soon after apparently.
>>
>> I would so much like this to be true.
>>
>> Garth
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Aug 29 11:26:47 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 16:26:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Small radio mics
Message-ID: <PAXP191MB198137F63C8EAA393A111AE9A7CA9@PAXP191MB1981.EURP191.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?Have a look at en.rode.com for Rode Wireless GO mic 1. Absolutely stunning at approx 45mm x 43mm x 18mm (inc clip). Tx and Rx both the same size.. TX has a surprisingly good built in mic, or socket for external mic. Available in black or white for around ?160.00. I have one, and it?s excellent. Obviously, it?s neater if you hide it carefully without burying it.
Radio mics are not what they were five or ten-plus years ago!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 Aug 2021, at 13:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Happened to catch ?Miss Caribbean 2020? yesterday on London Live, whilst channel surfing. I was interested when each finalist was interviewed ? there was a small clip-on radio transmitter unit, about the size of a matchbox, and presumably quick to fit and remove, although rather noticeable outside clothing. Now if manufacturers could manage to miniaturise down to a fountain pen, how useful would that be!
I have a Bluetooth receiver worn in a headband, for listening to radio through the night. It?s very slim, about two inches by one, powered by rechargeable battery. The audio quality is excellent. Perhaps a transmitter version could follow?
https://www.sleepphones.com/sleepphones/bluetooth-sleep-headphones

Regards
Pat


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug 29 11:53:36 2021
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 17:53:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Small radio mics
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Those digital radio mics and some other ones have a feature which is easily overlooked if you only look superficially. 

As well as being a radio mic, the transmitter is also able to record the audio digitally onto a chip. If the radio signal fails or suffers from interference, you can still retrieve the pristine audio from the transmitter afterwards. 

Alan Taylor



> On 29 Aug 2021, at 17:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?Have a look at en.rode.com for Rode Wireless GO mic 1. Absolutely stunning at approx 45mm x 43mm x 18mm (inc clip). Tx and Rx both the same size.. TX has a surprisingly good built in mic, or socket for external mic. Available in black or white for around ?160.00. I have one, and it?s excellent. Obviously, it?s neater if you hide it carefully without burying it.
> Radio mics are not what they were five or ten-plus years ago!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 29 Aug 2021, at 13:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Happened to catch ?Miss Caribbean 2020? yesterday on London Live, whilst channel surfing. I was interested when each finalist was interviewed ? there was a small clip-on radio transmitter unit, about the size of a matchbox, and presumably quick to fit and remove, although rather noticeable outside clothing. Now if manufacturers could manage to miniaturise down to a fountain pen, how useful would that be!
>> I have a Bluetooth receiver worn in a headband, for listening to radio through the night. It?s very slim, about two inches by one, powered by rechargeable battery. The audio quality is excellent. Perhaps a transmitter version could follow?
>> https://www.sleepphones.com/sleepphones/bluetooth-sleep-headphones
>>  
>> Regards
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
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>> 
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From paulvictork at uwclub.net  Sun Aug 29 15:03:34 2021
From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 20:03:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Small radio mics
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Message-ID: <1630267414.uwy8apdeogsk840g@webmail.uwclub.net>


	


Sorry to learn that Roger Bunce has passed away. Roger was a superb cameraman and crew member, also a most gifted artist. RIP Roger


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 29 15:32:33 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:32:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Carnival of the Animals Prom
Message-ID: <612beee1.1c69fb81.e7718.ea98@mx.google.com>

An interesting presentation and the Kanneh-Mason?s are an amazingly talented family.
It was BBC 4 so probably accessible via i-Player - worth a look.
The lass who introduced some of the movements was brilliant, I thought.
Interested that there was plenty of air between the instruments and mics, also there were foldback speakers for each desk, so that must have been tricky to balance to reduce spill.
Most enjoyable.
Pat



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 29 15:47:06 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:47:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Carnival of the Animals continued
Message-ID: <612bf24a.1c69fb81.5f809.87a5@mx.google.com>

Also an instrument I?ve never come across ? a glass harmonica, sort of a cross between a theremin and a mechanised wine glass orchestra.
Fascinating!
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Aug 29 18:18:14 2021
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 00:18:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ha ha!
Message-ID: <AD2811CF-ADC6-4CE8-B63D-1D70BAA93466@mac.com>

?Sign outside the Crystal Methodist Church of Effing SC (could only happen in America):

Adultery is a sin - you can?t have your Kate and Edith too!

The name of the church is also quite funny!

Mike G

From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 02:08:52 2021
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 08:08:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roger Bunce
In-Reply-To: <64FC0EC9-BE06-4670-8914-567C99830F79@icloud.com>
References: <64FC0EC9-BE06-4670-8914-567C99830F79@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <006001d79d6d$e3badf70$ab309e50$@gmail.com>

I am so sorry to see this. I first met Roger on our induction course on 20th
January 1965. As soon as I met him I immediately thought that this was
someone I was going to like very much - and I wasn't wrong.
A great loss. Always fun to be with and so creative with it. 
Bill J



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Announce [mailto:announce-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of
> Peter Neill via Announce
> Sent: 29 August 2021 18:01
> To: Bernard Newnham
> Subject: [Announce] Roger Bunce
> 
> I have just heard from Robin, via Toby Hadoke that Roger died today.
> Very sad news.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
> 
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From jpbarlow at btopenworld.com  Mon Aug 30 03:47:49 2021
From: jpbarlow at btopenworld.com (jpbarlow at btopenworld.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 09:47:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce
Message-ID: <009901d79d7b$b6f3fae0$24dbf0a0$@btopenworld.com>

Roger was not just a terrific wit, accomplished cartoonist, crazy animator,
film encyclopaedia, first class cameraman but unafraid to speak up when he
saw injustice.

 

I still have the cartoon of me and a birthday cake drawn over 30 years ago
on the back of a BBC paper plate.

 

A really sad loss of a wonderful character.

 

Rest easy Roger.

 

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From armoor.farm at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 04:11:45 2021
From: armoor.farm at gmail.com (Ian Norman)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:11:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Roger Bunce
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References: <64FC0EC9-BE06-4670-8914-567C99830F79@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <36b727ee-1d03-9ef7-cd5b-52d74018be63@armoor.co.uk>

Very sad to learn of Roger's passing.

He was always so friendly and helpful as well as all of his other talents.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 29/08/2021 18:01, Peter Neill via Announce wrote:
> I have just heard from Robin, via Toby Hadoke that Roger died today.
> Very sad news.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions.
> 


From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Aug 30 04:36:51 2021
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:36:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce
Message-ID: <6AC28369-E060-4ECF-8374-1EA7852DF905@vincent68.plus.com>

A certain person said they didn?t;t want to go bald because they didn?t;t want to look like Roger!

T-shirts were made with their heads with hairstyles transposed.

I?d love to know if anyone has still got one.

RIP Roger.

You made us smile.

John V

From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 04:54:59 2021
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:54:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce
In-Reply-To: <6AC28369-E060-4ECF-8374-1EA7852DF905@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <6AC28369-E060-4ECF-8374-1EA7852DF905@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <ebb14f9e-d4a3-a446-2067-4481b8dc441f@gmail.com>

I have the pictures, somewhere on the website I think.

B



On 30/08/2021 10:36, crew13 via Tech1 wrote:
> A certain person said they didn?t;t want to go bald because they didn?t;t want to look like Roger!
>
> T-shirts were made with their heads with hairstyles transposed.
>
> I?d love to know if anyone has still got one.
>
> RIP Roger.
>
> You made us smile.
>
> John V

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Mon Aug 30 04:58:24 2021
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 11:58:24 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce
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References: <6AC28369-E060-4ECF-8374-1EA7852DF905@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <0E73DAA4-BEC2-44FE-ADF4-2D0A97E1EB36@icloud.com>

I don?t know about the T-shirt but are these the photos?

http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/page44.html

Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. 

> On 30 Aug 2021, at 11:37, crew13 via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?A certain person said they didn?t;t want to go bald because they didn?t;t want to look like Roger!
> 
> T-shirts were made with their heads with hairstyles transposed.
> 
> I?d love to know if anyone has still got one.
> 
> RIP Roger.
> 
> You made us smile.
> 
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 10:22:33 2021
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 16:22:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce
In-Reply-To: <6AC28369-E060-4ECF-8374-1EA7852DF905@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <6AC28369-E060-4ECF-8374-1EA7852DF905@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <4c427568-433d-87c8-ed11-28fa602a4c39@gmail.com>

I don't remember actually working in the same studio as Roger (though it 
is possible); but I was aware of him "in the distance".? Since 
retirement, though, I and Margot (Hayhoe) have been very aware of him : 
amused, entertained and instructed.? We are so sorry to have lost him.? 
Our commiserations to Patricia and the family.? Such a loss of someone 
with an enthusiasm for life.

Michael Minchin




From waresound at msn.com  Mon Aug 30 12:00:02 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:00:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Small radio mics
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?One of our wedding guests last week is an ex-Coventry Uni Media Studies student who for the past six years has worked as a freelance Videographer (she says she?s happy with the term ?one-man-bander?). She?s already been around the World making documentaries on what sound very interesting topics, and wanted to video the wedding for bride and bridegroom, friends and family. She uses a Canon C100 and a 5D on monopods that have a tripod base that you can plonk down wherever you want to, or carry around as a steadicam of sorts. I was highly impressed with the slick and unobtrusive way she worked all on her own. I confess I was watching closely because she?s a very attractive girl, albeit three months pregnant!
We had a lengthy chat during a quiet half hour. She uses on-camera mics on both cameras, no timecode. For any speeches or featured dialogue she had about six Sony TX650 digital voice recorders (Google it!) that she slipped into top pockets, shirts, dresses, whatever. No fuss, no bother. She poo-poo?ed the idea of timecode and radio mics, etc.
With PluralEyes, you just drop the relevant audio files onto the video timeline and go and pour a glass of wine while it syncs all the files up (including the second camera, using its audio as its reference). I have to admit, it was an eye opener for me! It?s obvious that her discreet way of working gets her into sensitive situations where the bally-hoo of a director and crew would not be practical. I?m confident that the result will look and sound good.
Cheers,
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 Aug 2021, at 18:54, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Those digital radio mics and some other ones have a feature which is easily overlooked if you only look superficially.

As well as being a radio mic, the transmitter is also able to record the audio digitally onto a chip. If the radio signal fails or suffers from interference, you can still retrieve the pristine audio from the transmitter afterwards.

Alan Taylor



On 29 Aug 2021, at 17:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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?Have a look at en.rode.com for Rode Wireless GO mic 1. Absolutely stunning at approx 45mm x 43mm x 18mm (inc clip). Tx and Rx both the same size.. TX has a surprisingly good built in mic, or socket for external mic. Available in black or white for around ?160.00. I have one, and it?s excellent. Obviously, it?s neater if you hide it carefully without burying it.
Radio mics are not what they were five or ten-plus years ago!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 Aug 2021, at 13:16, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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Happened to catch ?Miss Caribbean 2020? yesterday on London Live, whilst channel surfing. I was interested when each finalist was interviewed ? there was a small clip-on radio transmitter unit, about the size of a matchbox, and presumably quick to fit and remove, although rather noticeable outside clothing. Now if manufacturers could manage to miniaturise down to a fountain pen, how useful would that be!
I have a Bluetooth receiver worn in a headband, for listening to radio through the night. It?s very slim, about two inches by one, powered by rechargeable battery. The audio quality is excellent. Perhaps a transmitter version could follow?
https://www.sleepphones.com/sleepphones/bluetooth-sleep-headphones

Regards
Pat


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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Aug 30 12:08:19 2021
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2021 17:08:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Roger Bunce
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I must add my condolences and sadness about Roger. Apart from anything else, those cartoons are breathtakingly good and imaginative.
Definitely one of those folk I was referring to in my piece about picking up on a conversation where you left off last time, as if you?d never been apart. 
I too, have lost a depressing number of old friends and family this year.
Tragic.
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 30 Aug 2021, at 17:23, Mike via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> ?I don't remember actually working in the same studio as Roger (though it is possible); but I was aware of him "in the distance".  Since retirement, though, I and Margot (Hayhoe) have been very aware of him : amused, entertained and instructed.  We are so sorry to have lost him.  Our commiserations to Patricia and the family.  Such a loss of someone with an enthusiasm for life.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Aug 31 06:06:27 2021
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:06:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Small radio mics
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Being long in the tooth, I find it difficult to get used to a movie camera that looks like a stills one, and not like a conventional Beta or HandyCam!

But the body worn cams on RNLI crews, for Saving lives at Sea  produce HD quality under harsh conditions, so technology has certainly moved on.
Pat

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?One of our wedding guests last week is an ex-Coventry Uni Media Studies student who for the past six years has worked as a freelance Videographer (she says she?s happy with the term ?one-man-bander?). She?s already been around the World making documentaries on what sound very interesting topics, and wanted to video the wedding for bride and bridegroom, friends and family. She uses a Canon C100 and a 5D.



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