From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Thu Apr 1 01:45:31 2021 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 07:45:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: References: <5122A1D2-061A-4D9F-BF34-5F0BDEFA6833@me.com> Message-ID: <003f01d726c2$9ccd2540$d6676fc0$@gmail.com> I remember that unit being described as Pete Ware?s Green Goddess! From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2021 23:31 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks I fear that I may be walking on eggshells in reminding some of the fact that some time in the mid 1980s TVC had three or four months? loan of a Bosch-Fernseh camera and a portable recorder which I remember as resembling an oversize and very heavy Ferrograph. Names in the frame apart from me were John Howell, Geoff Feld and Peter Ware, engineers Eddie Dunlop and John Humphries, lighting Warwick Fielding and ?? (Hibou will remind me), with Ron Koplick as manager. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Apr 1 02:04:11 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 08:04:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5744482F-F099-410A-9651-3C6F31BDF7D4@me.com> Was the Fernseh the camera which needed to line up ( registration ) on a white card with a black inverted L on it? If not, adjust this story to be about whatever type of camera needed that. I remember when KA formed a committee to define the perfect audio mixer for ENG use, mostly a bunch of senior sound supervisors who had never done any ENG work, to write a spec for an ENG mixer. They wanted loads of channels, slider faders, full EQ and two aux O/P. If that wasn?t enough, it was to have a built in picture monitor too ( in the days when CRTs were the only option). I was horrified at the absurdity of it and produced a minority ( as in just me ) proposal for a basic three channel mixer, with knobs where you can feel where they were pointing, powered by readily available disposable batteries which would last all day. Finally it should be housed in a white fronted case with an inverted L on it so that the camera can be conveniently lined up. My proposal was dismissed by the other committee members, but Colin White ( our head of sound ) obviously took note and a few months later showed me a photograph of the first SQN 3 mixer, adding that it seemed to be everything I asked for except for the lack of an inverted L. Did I want to try one? We asked to get a loan model, tried it and suggested a few mods to suit ENG work ( it was originally designed for a different role ), they gladly modified it and we bought three for use on ENG coverage of the 1982 World Cup from Spain. In a Spain we had what I believe to be Fernseh cameras and I can?t remember the recorder, but it sounds as though it could be the Ferrograph sized recorder mentioned by Mike. It was a 1? helical scan recorder and featured a large Perspex window above the reels. Our driver, Dave Jones the rigger, gently leaned against the window, there was a little pop noise and the window fell into the case. Fortunately the reels weren?t turning at the time. Getting the window back in was quite a challenge as it was held in by a rubber gasket. You can get some of the rubber gasket back, but the last bit seemed impossible using teaspoon handles as improvised tyre levers. Somebody remembered seeing a car window being installed using a piece of string laid in the groove of the rubber and then pulled out. After a huge amount of trial and error ( mostly error ), we got the thing back in. When we got to the next location, Dave was telling our producer what fun and games we had had that morning thanks to him and explained that he had only gently leaned on the window ? no harder than this. Whereupon there was a gentle pop noise. Alan Taylor > On 31 Mar 2021, at 23:32, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I fear that I may be walking on eggshells in reminding some of the fact that some time in the mid 1980s TVC had three or four months? loan of a Bosch-Fernseh camera and a portable recorder which I remember as resembling an oversize and very heavy Ferrograph. Names in the frame apart from me were John Howell, Geoff Feld and Peter Ware, engineers Eddie Dunlop and John Humphries, lighting Warwick Fielding and ?? (Hibou will remind me), with Ron Koplick as manager. > > We were given an old Links Land Rover which had been repossessed from the hill farmer who had bought it at auction and it came complete with a bird?s nest under the wheel arch, quite a lot of straw and a broken chassis - it was probably not fit to drive on public roads, but we were given the ?garage" on TVC ring road which we labelled TC9, with carte blanche to do what was necessary. > > We cut and drilled the Land Rover and used quite a lot of Dexion to fit it out as an operational base, with the expectation of taking the recorder out of the wagon quite frequently. On our experimental outings Peter Ware took us to the naturist area near Shere (no naturists in evidence and we remained fully clothed!) and to his favourite pub, the City Barge at Strand on the Green near Kew, We spent a day on the BBC Club narrow boat at Tring, or thereabouts and were ready to do a piece for real, going down a grassy slope on a trolley for Last of the Summer Wine, I think it was, but that raised hackles at Kendal Avenue, who thought we were treading on their toes, so it didn?t happen as there was a threat to walk out en masse if the unit ever left TVC to do a piece for broadcast. We were slightly surprised as it was an item that was more likely to have been covered by film department and it would have been an insert to a studio show. I wondered whether it would have been successful anyway, as the recorder had a relatively small diameter head drum and uneven surfaces on a trolley tended to cause instability, but what do I know? > > But we established a few rules that I gathered were carried over to the Eastenders set-up, although I have to confess that I was mightily relieved that I never had to work on Eastenders. My name did appear on the' forward schedules at one point, but ?sadly? Olympics planning got in the way and things carried on in that vein until I retired! Speaking of which, I have just realised that I?m now nearly two thirds of the way to being as long in retirement as the 35 years I worked for Aunty! This does not go down well with our children who can?t even see the retirement horizon yet, even though next year our son will be the age I was when I bowed out, with our daughter only a few years behind him. > > Mike G > > > > > >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 07:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Yes, Fernseh cameras were initially used on RE5/LMCR experimental vehicle and also on the LPU when it was built, but proved to be unreliable. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 22:12, simoncmorris--- via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> I think the cameras might have been Bosch Fernseh KCR-40s ... 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URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 1 03:11:50 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:11:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: References: <5122A1D2-061A-4D9F-BF34-5F0BDEFA6833@me.com> Message-ID: Anyone remember the Thomson as used by The Bill? but not for long! > On 31 Mar 2021, at 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > I fear that I may be walking on eggshells in reminding some of the fact that some time in the mid 1980s TVC had three or four months? loan of a Bosch-Fernseh camera and a portable recorder which I remember as resembling an oversize and very heavy Ferrograph. Names in the frame apart from me were John Howell, Geoff Feld and Peter Ware, engineers Eddie Dunlop and John Humphries, lighting Warwick Fielding and ?? (Hibou will remind me), with Ron Koplick as manager. > > We were given an old Links Land Rover which had been repossessed from the hill farmer who had bought it at auction and it came complete with a bird?s nest under the wheel arch, quite a lot of straw and a broken chassis - it was probably not fit to drive on public roads, but we were given the ?garage" on TVC ring road which we labelled TC9, with carte blanche to do what was necessary. > > We cut and drilled the Land Rover and used quite a lot of Dexion to fit it out as an operational base, with the expectation of taking the recorder out of the wagon quite frequently. On our experimental outings Peter Ware took us to the naturist area near Shere (no naturists in evidence and we remained fully clothed!) and to his favourite pub, the City Barge at Strand on the Green near Kew, We spent a day on the BBC Club narrow boat at Tring, or thereabouts and were ready to do a piece for real, going down a grassy slope on a trolley for Last of the Summer Wine, I think it was, but that raised hackles at Kendal Avenue, who thought we were treading on their toes, so it didn?t happen as there was a threat to walk out en masse if the unit ever left TVC to do a piece for broadcast. We were slightly surprised as it was an item that was more likely to have been covered by film department and it would have been an insert to a studio show. I wondered whether it would have been successful anyway, as the recorder had a relatively small diameter head drum and uneven surfaces on a trolley tended to cause instability, but what do I know? > > But we established a few rules that I gathered were carried over to the Eastenders set-up, although I have to confess that I was mightily relieved that I never had to work on Eastenders. My name did appear on the' forward schedules at one point, but ?sadly? Olympics planning got in the way and things carried on in that vein until I retired! Speaking of which, I have just realised that I?m now nearly two thirds of the way to being as long in retirement as the 35 years I worked for Aunty! This does not go down well with our children who can?t even see the retirement horizon yet, even though next year our son will be the age I was when I bowed out, with our daughter only a few years behind him. > > Mike G > > > > > >> On 31 Mar 2021, at 07:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? >> Yes, Fernseh cameras were initially used on RE5/LMCR experimental vehicle and also on the LPU when it was built, but proved to be unreliable. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 22:12, simoncmorris--- via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> I think the cameras might have been Bosch Fernseh KCR-40s ... I'm sure I've seen location pictures showing KCR-40s. >>> When I started at TVC in 1979 there was one still in service ... >>> >>> Simon >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Thu Apr 1 03:35:53 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:35:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: <5744482F-F099-410A-9651-3C6F31BDF7D4@me.com> References: <5744482F-F099-410A-9651-3C6F31BDF7D4@me.com> Message-ID: The SQN 3 was designed obviously for the Nagra SN which fitted on the top of the mixer and made a very compact documentary recorder. It was quickly taken up as a stand alone mixer and was the forerunner of the 4 and 5 ch mixers SQN were rightly famous for. For many years my SQN 4 series iii mixer worked in conjunction with my Nagra IV-S TC as a compact a very reliable drama/music recorder. Sony invited us to an upmarket country hotel for a discussion on needs for a DAT recorder. We said ?an SQN that records?. The resultant Sony DAT was certainly not that, good as it was, it could not record time code either. We were very disappointed The BBC bought the National Panasonic DAT, very compact and fitted the SQN well but it was not the machine we desired. HHB ,Fostex and others tried and Stellavox actually nearly had a 4 ch mixer/dat recorder but it was late to market, expensive and flawed. By that time video was in ascendancy , and we had to revert to single system working, ie mixer cabled to Camera/recorder. This was a reversal for us, film cameras and Nagras had been separate for 20 years via crystal sync. How we moaned?. File recording changed all that of course, and multiple digital radio mics with 24 ch v portable recorders rendered boom ops nearly obscelecent. Who would have thunk it? Roger > From david.jasma at sky.com Thu Apr 1 03:48:54 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:48:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] landrover 'OB' vehicle References: <3eeccc77-37c1-3a35-7ad5-78eb3302c9d3.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <3eeccc77-37c1-3a35-7ad5-78eb3302c9d3@sky.com> Did the lash-up include an on board portable generator? The reason I ask is that I remember a unit along the lines described coming along to TV Training at Woodstock Grove one day to show what could be done, as TVT had an idea for a similar rig. After the experiment and the set-up dismantled, the generator landed up at TVT, where it was out to good use by a colleague when there were local power cuts. After TVT moved to Elstree Centre, the department acquired a brand new long wheel-based Landrover and some modifications were made, but not carried through. It became the department's workhorse for going out on local training shoots. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alanaudio at me.com Thu Apr 1 04:17:11 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:17:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The brochure for the SQN which Colin White showed me had the mounting points for the Nagra SN. We asked if they could remove those mounts for our trial version and they were happy to oblige. I think the SQN was one of the best designed pieces of kit ever. The ergonomics were good, build quality was rugged and it was frugal with power. There were some very elegant circuitry details too once you started poring over how it worked. Alan Taylor > On 1 Apr 2021, at 09:35, Roger E Long wrote: > > ?The SQN 3 was designed obviously for the Nagra SN which fitted on the top of the mixer and made a very compact documentary recorder. > It was quickly taken up as a stand alone mixer and was the forerunner of the 4 and 5 ch mixers SQN were rightly famous for. > For many years my SQN 4 series iii mixer worked in conjunction with my Nagra IV-S TC as a compact a very reliable drama/music recorder. > > Sony invited us to an upmarket country hotel for a discussion on needs for a DAT recorder. > We said ?an SQN that records?. > The resultant Sony DAT was certainly not that, good as it was, it could not record time code either. > We were very disappointed > The BBC bought the National Panasonic DAT, very compact and fitted the SQN well but it was not the machine we desired. > HHB ,Fostex and others tried and Stellavox actually nearly had a 4 ch mixer/dat recorder but it was late to market, expensive and flawed. > By that time video was in ascendancy , and we had to revert to single system working, ie mixer cabled to Camera/recorder. > This was a reversal for us, film cameras and Nagras had been separate for 20 years via crystal sync. > How we moaned?. > File recording changed all that of course, and multiple digital radio mics with 24 ch v portable recorders rendered boom ops nearly obscelecent. > Who would have thunk it? > > Roger >> > From relong at btinternet.com Thu Apr 1 04:35:41 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 10:35:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3050499E-AA18-44B2-AD16-68CDD0FC45AD@btinternet.com> Original SN plus mixer from RFS . Roger > On 1 Apr 2021, at 10:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > The brochure for the SQN which Colin White showed me had the mounting points for the Nagra SN. We asked if they could remove those mounts for our trial version and they were happy to oblige. > > I think the SQN was one of the best designed pieces of kit ever. The ergonomics were good, build quality was rugged and it was frugal with power. There were some very elegant circuitry details too once you started poring over how it worked. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 1 Apr 2021, at 09:35, Roger E Long wrote: >> >> ?The SQN 3 was designed obviously for the Nagra SN which fitted on the top of the mixer and made a very compact documentary recorder. >> It was quickly taken up as a stand alone mixer and was the forerunner of the 4 and 5 ch mixers SQN were rightly famous for. >> For many years my SQN 4 series iii mixer worked in conjunction with my Nagra IV-S TC as a compact a very reliable drama/music recorder. >> >> Sony invited us to an upmarket country hotel for a discussion on needs for a DAT recorder. >> We said ?an SQN that records?. >> The resultant Sony DAT was certainly not that, good as it was, it could not record time code either. >> We were very disappointed >> The BBC bought the National Panasonic DAT, very compact and fitted the SQN well but it was not the machine we desired. >> HHB ,Fostex and others tried and Stellavox actually nearly had a 4 ch mixer/dat recorder but it was late to market, expensive and flawed. >> By that time video was in ascendancy , and we had to revert to single system working, ie mixer cabled to Camera/recorder. >> This was a reversal for us, film cameras and Nagras had been separate for 20 years via crystal sync. >> How we moaned?. >> File recording changed all that of course, and multiple digital radio mics with 24 ch v portable recorders rendered boom ops nearly obscelecent. >> Who would have thunk it? >> >> Roger >>> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The final change being when changing from DigiBeta to solid state recorders, so pretty well everything changing together. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu Apr 1 03:52:25 2021 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 09:52:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: References: <5122A1D2-061A-4D9F-BF34-5F0BDEFA6833@me.com> Message-ID: I'll do my best Mike! The VT was a Bosch-Fernseh BCN20 open reel machine with one reel on top of the other. It had a small diameter head drum to minmise gyroscopic effects, I seem to remember checking this out by recording whilst giving it a shake as I turned it over on its back', it passed the test! It had four audio tracks enabling us to dub 'The Banks of Green Willow' and other FX in a Spur prep room. I think the camera was a KCR40. I recall returning to base from south of the Thames listing alarmingly when negotiating Hammersmith Broadway at the same time trying to report in on a Vodaphone 'house brick'. The other LD was Peter Smee Happy? days! Hibou. On 31/03/2021 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I fear that I may be walking on eggshells in reminding some of the > fact that some time in the mid 1980s TVC had three or four months? > loan of a Bosch-Fernseh camera and a portable recorder which I > remember as resembling an oversize and very heavy Ferrograph. Names in > the frame apart from me were John Howell, Geoff Feld and Peter Ware, > engineers Eddie Dunlop and John Humphries, lighting Warwick Fielding > and ?? (Hibou will remind me), ?with Ron Koplick as manager. > > We were given an old Links Land Rover which had been repossessed from > the hill farmer who had bought it at auction and it came complete with > a bird?s nest under the wheel arch, quite a lot of straw and a broken > chassis - it was probably not fit to drive on public roads, but we > were given the ?garage" on TVC ring road which we labelled TC9, with > carte blanche to do what was necessary. > > We cut and drilled the Land Rover and used quite a lot of Dexion to > fit it out as an operational base, with the expectation of taking the > recorder out of the wagon quite frequently. On our experimental > outings Peter Ware took us to the naturist area near Shere (no > naturists in evidence and we remained fully clothed!) and to his > favourite pub, the City Barge at Strand on the Green near Kew, We > spent a day on?the BBC Club?narrow boat at Tring, or thereabouts and > were ready to do a piece for real, going down a grassy slope on a > trolley for Last of the Summer Wine, I think it was, but that raised > hackles at Kendal Avenue, who thought we were treading on their toes, > so it didn?t happen as there was a threat to walk out en masse if the > unit ever left TVC to do a piece for broadcast. We were slightly > surprised as it was an item that was more likely to have been covered > by film department and it would have been an insert to a studio show. > I wondered whether it would have been successful anyway, as the > recorder had a relatively small diameter head drum and uneven surfaces > on a trolley tended to cause instability, but what do I know? > > But we established a few rules that I gathered were carried over to > the Eastenders set-up, although I have to confess that I was mightily > relieved that I never had to work on Eastenders. My name did appear on > the' forward schedules at one point, but ?sadly? Olympics planning got > in the way and things carried on in that vein until I retired! > Speaking of which, I have just realised that I?m now nearly two thirds > of the way to being as long in retirement as the 35 years I worked for > Aunty! This does not go down well with our children who can?t even see > the retirement horizon yet, even though next year our son will be the > age I was when I bowed out, with our daughter only a few years behind him. > > Mike G > > > > > >> On 31 Mar 2021, at 07:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> ? >> ?Yes, Fernseh cameras were initially used on RE5/LMCR experimental >> vehicle and also on the LPU when it was built, but proved to be >> unreliable. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 22:12, simoncmorris--- via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> I think the cameras might have been Bosch Fernseh KCR-40s ... I'm >>> sure I've seen location pictures showing KCR-40s. >>> When I started at TVC in 1979 there was one still in service ... >>> >>> Simon >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The (rather horrible) Zaxcom, the ubiquitous Sound Devices, and soon a host of Japanese portable mixers appeared, each smaller and more powerful than the one before, that recognised how easy it was to implement digital recording in the same box. As so often happens British industry frequently misses out through lack of foresight and investment. Only a handful - Audio Ltd, Calrec amongst them - manage to get past those hurdles. Such a shame... Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Apr 1 06:21:07 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 12:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records Message-ID: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I don?t know what might be in the archives re staff records but I find in my 1967 diary I noted the Sound Supervisor lists at the point where split grades were introduced. I recall not everyone agreeing with who was in which ranking but I guess that?s the norm with such changes. It was significant though and an undercurrent of discontent and resentment was certainly there for some time. Here is the list in case it might add to the records: Senior Sound Supervisors Grade B1 Sound Supervisors Grade B1- Chick Anthony Ray Angel Hugh Barker Dickie Chubb Norman Bennett Alan Fogg Dickie Chamberlain Norman Grieves Buster Cole John Holmes Colin Dixon Dave Hughes Alan Edmonds Dave Kitchen Brian Forgham George Prince Brian Hiles Frank Radcliffe Adrian ?Bish?-Laggett Jack Sudic Gordon Mackie Les Wilkins Derek Miller-Timmins Peter Wineman Len Shorey John Staple Adrian Stocks Can?t help wondering who is still with us ? so many really great guys and so much outstanding ability. Alphabetical listing to avoid any sense of ranking order! I?m attaching the Word Doc in case email makes a nonsense of the formatting. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sound Supervisor list 1967.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 11934 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 1 08:40:26 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 14:40:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I knew you?d remember everything, John! Mike G > On 1 Apr 2021, at 11:30, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I'll do my best Mike! > > The VT was a Bosch-Fernseh BCN20 open reel machine with one reel on top of the other. It had a small diameter head drum to minmise gyroscopic effects, I seem to remember checking this out by recording whilst giving it a shake as I turned it over on its back', it passed the test! > > It had four audio tracks enabling us to dub 'The Banks of Green Willow' and other FX in a Spur prep room. I think the camera was a KCR40. I recall returning to base from south of the Thames listing alarmingly when negotiating Hammersmith Broadway at the same time trying to report in on a Vodaphone 'house brick'. > > The other LD was Peter Smee > > Happy days! > > Hibou. > > > > On 31/03/2021 23:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> I fear that I may be walking on eggshells in reminding some of the fact that some time in the mid 1980s TVC had three or four months? loan of a Bosch-Fernseh camera and a portable recorder which I remember as resembling an oversize and very heavy Ferrograph. Names in the frame apart from me were John Howell, Geoff Feld and Peter Ware, engineers Eddie Dunlop and John Humphries, lighting Warwick Fielding and ?? (Hibou will remind me), with Ron Koplick as manager. >> >> We were given an old Links Land Rover which had been repossessed from the hill farmer who had bought it at auction and it came complete with a bird?s nest under the wheel arch, quite a lot of straw and a broken chassis - it was probably not fit to drive on public roads, but we were given the ?garage" on TVC ring road which we labelled TC9, with carte blanche to do what was necessary. >> >> We cut and drilled the Land Rover and used quite a lot of Dexion to fit it out as an operational base, with the expectation of taking the recorder out of the wagon quite frequently. On our experimental outings Peter Ware took us to the naturist area near Shere (no naturists in evidence and we remained fully clothed!) and to his favourite pub, the City Barge at Strand on the Green near Kew, We spent a day on the BBC Club narrow boat at Tring, or thereabouts and were ready to do a piece for real, going down a grassy slope on a trolley for Last of the Summer Wine, I think it was, but that raised hackles at Kendal Avenue, who thought we were treading on their toes, so it didn?t happen as there was a threat to walk out en masse if the unit ever left TVC to do a piece for broadcast. We were slightly surprised as it was an item that was more likely to have been covered by film department and it would have been an insert to a studio show. I wondered whether it would have been successful anyway, as the recorder had a relatively small diameter head drum and uneven surfaces on a trolley tended to cause instability, but what do I know? >> >> But we established a few rules that I gathered were carried over to the Eastenders set-up, although I have to confess that I was mightily relieved that I never had to work on Eastenders. My name did appear on the' forward schedules at one point, but ?sadly? Olympics planning got in the way and things carried on in that vein until I retired! Speaking of which, I have just realised that I?m now nearly two thirds of the way to being as long in retirement as the 35 years I worked for Aunty! This does not go down well with our children who can?t even see the retirement horizon yet, even though next year our son will be the age I was when I bowed out, with our daughter only a few years behind him. >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 31 Mar 2021, at 07:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Yes, Fernseh cameras were initially used on RE5/LMCR experimental vehicle and also on the LPU when it was built, but proved to be unreliable. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>>> On 30 Mar 2021, at 22:12, simoncmorris--- via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> I think the cameras might have been Bosch Fernseh KCR-40s ... I'm sure I've seen location pictures showing KCR-40s. >>>> When I started at TVC in 1979 there was one still in service ... >>>> >>>> Simon >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 1 17:28:56 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:28:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noise Message-ID: <0f71bd5d-5491-0947-06d2-1b22e4c69445@btinternet.com> For the last few weeks the crash barrier in the middle of the old Kingston by-pass, at the back of my house, has been replaced by a shiny new one. It involved closing the road down to the inside lanes for traffic whilst they removed and reinstalled a new one. Tonight, there was thunderous noise coming from the road so I went to see what was happening. Attached picture shows just that!? They were removing the temporary wall either side of the barrier. I thought it was concrete but it turned out to be metal, hence the noise! Nice to watch people hard at work! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Road works!.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 453809 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 1 17:32:35 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2021 23:32:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails Message-ID: <4247e455-7892-56c2-4505-b2dd4f59f5be@btinternet.com> My mobile informs me that I have 37 unread e-mails! Just slow down you lot, I can't keep up! Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 2 03:28:02 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 09:28:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails In-Reply-To: <4247e455-7892-56c2-4505-b2dd4f59f5be@btinternet.com> References: <4247e455-7892-56c2-4505-b2dd4f59f5be@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6066d592.1c69fb81.a0b14.2951@mx.google.com> Need to practise ?speed reading?, Dave. Or clear stuff every morning!! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 01 April 2021 23:32 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] E-mails My mobile informs me that I have 37 unread e-mails! Just slow down you lot, I can't keep up! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 2 03:45:08 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 09:45:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noise In-Reply-To: <0f71bd5d-5491-0947-06d2-1b22e4c69445@btinternet.com> References: <0f71bd5d-5491-0947-06d2-1b22e4c69445@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6066d994.1c69fb81.767b4.15e8@mx.google.com> My development had the car park/access areas re-surfaced a while ago. Excellent firm, and a really good job done. It was really a motorway experience with all the machinery, initially they had a single guy prepping ? removing the old topping, that took a week, then each of three areas only a day each, with about ten lorry loads of material, coming in at regular intervals, as required. (pics attached!). Although one last area was coned off, as it was supposed to be left for 24 hrs, one of the mum?s collecting her little darling from the school at the other end of the road, ignored that, drove in and turned on our land, scrunching up the newly laid tarmac ? I was furious! Pity the road roller wasn?t still here, I could have dealt with her car! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 01 April 2021 23:29 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] Noise For the last few weeks the crash barrier in the middle of the old Kingston by-pass, at the back of my house, has been replaced by a shiny new one. It involved closing the road down to the inside lanes for traffic whilst they removed and reinstalled a new one. Tonight, there was thunderous noise coming from the road so I went to see what was happening. Attached picture shows just that!? They were removing the temporary wall either side of the barrier. I thought it was concrete but it turned out to be metal, hence the noise! 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The road planers worked in a staggered line, ripping up the old surface, with conveyer belts dumping it into tipper trucks. They were followed by road sweeping lorries and then the road laying machines. It was all one continuous slowly moving procession. By the time I had finished breakfast the procession had almost reached the end of the bridge and white line lorries were at the other end marking the new surface. By the time I was about to leave, the procession was already slowly moving along the other side of the bridge and I would have expected the whole job to be completed well before the roads reopened. One fascinating detail was that at the far end was a heavy duty recovery vehicle, presumably to rapidly take away any machinery that broke down. There was another impressive civil engineering job maybe twenty or thirty years ago when they built the Reading services on the M4. An existing road bridge was inconveniently located and they built a new one a bit further away. Once that was done, they needed to get rid of the old bridge, but it had to be done rapidly because the entire motorway would need to be closed. A specialist contractor tendered for the job and part of the contract was an hourly penalty clause if the motorway were closed longer than agreed. The contractors negotiated a corresponding bonus if the motorway could be re-opened earlier than specified. It was going to be an overnight closure. As much preparatory work as possible was done while the motorway remained open and once it was closed, many dozens of tipper lorries dumped a one metre layer of sand to protect the motorway under the bridge. Meanwhile demolition charges were installed and the bridge was blown up and dropped onto the sand. In simple terms, all that was left to do as to scoop it all up and take it away. The job was completed well ahead of schedule and all the staff shared the bonus. Everybody was happy, the staff got a tidy sum and the highways authority got the road open rather earlier than expected. The contractors subsequently became the go-to contractors for that type of task. Alan Taylor > On 2 Apr 2021, at 09:45, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > ? > My development had the car park/access areas re-surfaced a while ago. Excellent firm, and a really good job done. It was really a motorway experience with all the machinery, initially they had a single guy prepping ? removing the old topping, that took a week, then each of three areas only a day each, with about ten lorry loads of material, coming in at regular intervals, as required. > (pics attached!). > Although one last area was coned off, as it was supposed to be left for 24 hrs, one of the mum?s collecting her little darling from the school at the other end of the road, ignored that, drove in and turned on our land, scrunching up the newly laid tarmac ? I was furious! Pity the road roller wasn?t still here, I could have dealt with her car! > Pat > > <41C5C62F40DE47F59DBF4A636FD52023.jpg> > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 01 April 2021 23:29 > To: tech1 > Subject: [Tech1] Noise > > For the last few weeks the crash barrier in the middle of the old > Kingston by-pass, at the back of my house, has been replaced by a shiny > new one. It involved closing the road down to the inside lanes for > traffic whilst they removed and reinstalled a new one. Tonight, there > was thunderous noise coming from the road so I went to see what was > happening. Attached picture shows just that! They were removing the > temporary wall either side of the barrier. I thought it was concrete but > it turned out to be metal, hence the noise! Nice to watch people hard at > work! Cheers, Dave > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <41C5C62F40DE47F59DBF4A636FD52023.jpg> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 2 05:06:04 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 11:06:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noise In-Reply-To: <0f71bd5d-5491-0947-06d2-1b22e4c69445@btinternet.com> References: <0f71bd5d-5491-0947-06d2-1b22e4c69445@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8a57f57f-98a5-e451-a552-cd70d09e5319@gmail.com> We used to live next to the railway in West Byfleet, and every few years they had to stir up the track ballast. This they did overnight with a machine that moved very slowly and was incredibly noisy with big lights. No-one slept whilst they were passing by. B On 01/04/2021 23:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > For the last few weeks the crash barrier in the middle of the old > Kingston by-pass, at the back of my house, has been replaced by a > shiny new one. It involved closing the road down to the inside lanes > for traffic whilst they removed and reinstalled a new one. Tonight, > there was thunderous noise coming from the road so I went to see what > was happening. Attached picture shows just that!? They were removing > the temporary wall either side of the barrier. I thought it was > concrete but it turned out to be metal, hence the noise! Nice to watch > people hard at work! Cheers, Dave > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Apr 2 05:58:51 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2021 11:58:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noise In-Reply-To: <8a57f57f-98a5-e451-a552-cd70d09e5319@gmail.com> References: <0f71bd5d-5491-0947-06d2-1b22e4c69445@btinternet.com> <8a57f57f-98a5-e451-a552-cd70d09e5319@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5916d2a60edavesound@btinternet.com> Next door - a now rather frail widow living alone - had a power failure recently. Emergency crew found it was the cable from the street feeding the house, so had a temporary generator brought in, until the cable could be fixed. And it ran all night. Sadly not soundproofed to the standard of our OB ones. Cable was fixed within 48 hours, though. And another few days before the hole was filled in. Quite impressed with the service. Was worried they'd not re-connect to the extremely ancient house wiring. In article <8a57f57f-98a5-e451-a552-cd70d09e5319 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > We used to live next to the railway in West Byfleet, and every few years > they had to stir up the track ballast. This they did overnight with a > machine that moved very slowly and was incredibly noisy with big lights. > No-one slept whilst they were passing by. > B > On 01/04/2021 23:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > For the last few weeks the crash barrier in the middle of the old > > Kingston by-pass, at the back of my house, has been replaced by a > > shiny new one. It involved closing the road down to the inside lanes > > for traffic whilst they removed and reinstalled a new one. Tonight, > > there was thunderous noise coming from the road so I went to see what > > was happening. Attached picture shows just that! They were removing > > the temporary wall either side of the barrier. I thought it was > > concrete but it turned out to be metal, hence the noise! Nice to watch > > people hard at work! Cheers, Dave > > > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Fri Apr 2 06:31:45 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 12:31:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noise In-Reply-To: <5916d2a60edavesound@btinternet.com> References: <5916d2a60edavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: There was an OB drama being shot in a very picturesque village full of expensive houses and residents who would make a fuss at the drop of a hat. One man who had the manner of a retired army officer was leaning over his fence explaining that the location manager explained that the row of vehicles would be in the side road running past his house, scanner at the start, then camera van, tender, lighting van and finally generator. He made it quite clear to the location manager that there wasn?t a cat in hell?s chance that he would get away with parking a noisy, smelly generator outside his house. It was thought best not to tell him which particular vehicle was parked outside his house during that conversation, running silently, little more than a metre away from him. Alan Taylor > On 2 Apr 2021, at 11:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Next door - a now rather frail widow living alone - had a power failure > recently. Emergency crew found it was the cable from the street feeding > the house, so had a temporary generator brought in, until the cable could > be fixed. And it ran all night. Sadly not soundproofed to the standard of > our OB ones. > > Cable was fixed within 48 hours, though. And another few days before the > hole was filled in. Quite impressed with the service. Was worried they'd > not re-connect to the extremely ancient house wiring. > > From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Fri Apr 2 12:28:48 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 18:28:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike Message-ID: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling to 3 or 4? neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as badly affected as our current? neighbour who counts himself fortunate having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. The only surviving PC of 3 was a lap-top with a surge protector, but nearly all other electrical appliances were burned out, while complete re-wiring, a new central heating boiler and related building work took months. For neighbours, most wiring survived but appliances either failed there and then or have done so since. Apparently it's the alternative accommodation clause of buildings policies that can be an Achilles heel, as most folk think only in terms of a couple of months at most. While the brick carcase of a fairly recent house is likely to survive a serious fire, older buildings can require a complete ground-up re-build, implying perhaps double the cost of a new-build on a similar site. Yet no one seems to fit lighting conductors nowadays do they? Isn't there a business opportunity here for someone? Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 2 13:05:32 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 19:05:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <60675ced.1c69fb81.66fcc.7b46@mx.google.com> Dunno about lightning strikes, but I?m sure that insurers have exonerated themselves from that. To avoid paying out (Act of God?) My co-director of the development I live in, owned a flat at Hinchley Wood, the block caught alight due to a faulty TV set, and the fire spread through the loft spaces as there was no wall protection up to the roof ridge. One fatality. Thus we are very aware of fire risk, and our current managing agents keep a close eye on H & S and Fire risk liability. As far as lightning conductors ? no, I don?t think so. In my 3 blocks of flats, we have three TV masts, which would probably be suitable earth paths, but would probably only take out the distribution amplifiers, before the circuit breakers trip. It would be unfortunate if it got as far as individual TV?s in the flats. As far as personal experience of lightning strikes ? one hit a tree outside my flat and caused a surge in the mains wiring. The fuse didn?t trip fast enough for one of my DVD recorders, and took it out. Insurers paid for the repair, but the engineers could not restore it to 100% functionality, so the insurers paid up a bit more to let me buy a completely new unit! The same insurers paid up for the loss of a thieved overnight case from the camera car. I could replace most of the contents, except for a Norwegian sweater, bought in Stavanger. They kept the file open, and I made another working trip, there, and was able to purchase a replacement, which by that time (2 years later) was double the original price. No problem, they paid up! Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 02 April 2021 18:29 To: Tech1 at tech-ops Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story.? Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling to 3 or 4? neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as badly affected as our current? neighbour who counts himself fortunate having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. The only surviving PC of 3 was a lap-top with a surge protector, but nearly all other electrical appliances were burned out, while complete re-wiring, a new central heating boiler and related building work took months. For neighbours, most wiring survived but appliances either failed there and then or have done so since. Apparently it's the alternative accommodation clause of buildings policies that can be an Achilles heel, as most folk think only in terms of a couple of months at most. While the brick carcase of a fairly recent house is likely to survive a serious fire, older buildings can require a complete ground-up re-build, implying perhaps double the cost of a new-build on a similar site. Yet no one seems to fit lighting conductors nowadays do they?? Isn't there a business opportunity here for someone?? ? Hugh? ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Apr 2 14:16:00 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 20:16:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9481C2B2F64D40AB8BB6F01E78E4A0D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Popular wisdom generally asserted that lightning would always strike at the highest point but I have often wondered just what is meant by this adage. How far away does a significantly taller strike point have to be to provide effective protection? Our village church tower is barely 100 yds. distant and has impressive looking conductors but I suspect provides no reason for complacency. Dave Newbitt. From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 6:28 PM To: Tech1 at tech-ops Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as badly affected as our current? neighbour who counts himself fortunate having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. The only surviving PC of 3 was a lap-top with a surge protector, but nearly all other electrical appliances were burned out, while complete re-wiring, a new central heating boiler and related building work took months. For neighbours, most wiring survived but appliances either failed there and then or have done so since. Apparently it's the alternative accommodation clause of buildings policies that can be an Achilles heel, as most folk think only in terms of a couple of months at most. While the brick carcase of a fairly recent house is likely to survive a serious fire, older buildings can require a complete ground-up re-build, implying perhaps double the cost of a new-build on a similar site. Yet no one seems to fit lighting conductors nowadays do they? Isn't there a business opportunity here for someone? Hugh -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 2 15:11:20 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 21:11:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noise In-Reply-To: <8a57f57f-98a5-e451-a552-cd70d09e5319@gmail.com> References: <0f71bd5d-5491-0947-06d2-1b22e4c69445@btinternet.com> <8a57f57f-98a5-e451-a552-cd70d09e5319@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56f1ff0f-e29f-62e6-64b8-ceb340dc51f7@btinternet.com> We recently had a railway bridge replaced on the Guildford via Cobham line. They constructed the replacement on some waste ground nearby and in one weekend they demolished the old bridge and wheeled it's replacement in, in time for the Monday back to work rush hour! Cheers, Dave On 02/04/2021 11:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > We used to live next to the railway in West Byfleet, and every few > years they had to stir up the track ballast. This they did overnight > with a machine that moved very slowly and was incredibly noisy with > big lights. No-one slept whilst they were passing by. > > B > > > > On 01/04/2021 23:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> For the last few weeks the crash barrier in the middle of the old >> Kingston by-pass, at the back of my house, has been replaced by a >> shiny new one. It involved closing the road down to the inside lanes >> for traffic whilst they removed and reinstalled a new one. Tonight, >> there was thunderous noise coming from the road so I went to see what >> was happening. Attached picture shows just that!? They were removing >> the temporary wall either side of the barrier. I thought it was >> concrete but it turned out to be metal, hence the noise! Nice to >> watch people hard at work! Cheers, Dave >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 2 16:27:05 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2021 22:27:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Noise In-Reply-To: <54E2CA68-8D51-4076-A967-ACC07FEFF074@me.com> References: <6066d994.1c69fb81.767b4.15e8@mx.google.com> <54E2CA68-8D51-4076-A967-ACC07FEFF074@me.com> Message-ID: <60678c2a.1c69fb81.52371.3b23@mx.google.com> Having travelled throughout Europe and the world, my one beef is being allocated a hotel room at the back of the building, outside of which is the noisy ventilation extract from the hotel kitchen. As a sound man I?m always listening for noise that I don?t want to record, and it doesn?t go away when I?m trying to sleep! A hotel in Germany was happy to change my room, but my mistake was to tell the director and cameraman, why! I got castigated and ridiculed. On another time, we were working for ABC Sports NY and billeted in the Paris Hilton. Returning after eating out, there was a noisy party racketing in the ballroom which was audible in my room three floors above. Speaking to reception, I discovered that it was going to go on until 2 am. I asked for a room change, as I pleaded that my office had booked us into ?your splendid? hotel and expected me to me fully rested for working the next day! I was moved to a room two floors further up, and sent a chap to help me with my luggage. (Sound kit and personal) That reminds me of another hotel story: A Bond Movie in Hong Kong - hotel was the Hyatt Regency. Most of our kit, both the camera and sound was stashed in our rooms overnight, but in the morning the lifts were blocked by American tourists anxious to catch their tourist buses. My Irish sideways logic came into play. I summoned the lifts to go ?up?. No-one wanted that, so we pushed our trolleys into the empty car, went up one floor, and came down, waving cheerfully at the tourists, who couldn?t get in, as we had occupied the whole thing! Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 02 April 2021 10:18 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Noise I was impressed and annoyed in equal measures by some roadworks in Newcastle a while ago. I did a show which coincided with the Newcastle marathon and found myself booked into a hotel with a fabulous view of one of the iconic road bridges. ? My call time was late morning on the Sunday, but I?was awoken early by heavy construction traffic. ?When I looked out of the window, it became obvious that they had decided to take?advantage of the road closures to resurface that bridge. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Sat Apr 3 03:47:15 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 09:47:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <9481C2B2F64D40AB8BB6F01E78E4A0D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <9481C2B2F64D40AB8BB6F01E78E4A0D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: On May 6th 1993( The date is emblazoned on my memory we were living and renovating an old house just outside Tunbridge Wells. The phone line came in from a pole across the road set in a rather boggy area. At about 9 o?clock I decided to go to bed early as the baby I was feeding was 10 months old and I was very very tired. I was sitting on the side of the bed when there was a flash of lightening just outsider the window. It was brighter than any light I had ever seen. The phone next to the bed glowed and the ball of lightening entered the room at the end of the bed. (St Elmo Fire) and hung there for what seemed several seconds. I followed it onto the landing past my daughters room who also saw it and my sons it then dropped down into the kitchen below where we later found it ended incinerating the new washing machine. Every appliance in the house that was plugged in and ?on? was gutted/incinerated. I had purchased a new Zanussi washing machine which I had had an issue with and the engineer was to come first thing next day. Obviously having no experience of this and trying to calm the children we wen to bed and decided to sort it out in the morning!!!. I turned the washing machine on when I first got up and smoke came out of it. the man from Zanussi came round that afternoon, service in the old days was amazing then ! He took the top off and was so shocked by the molten circuit boards that he replaced the machine later that day! Apparently we should have called the fire brigade ( I did not tell the engineer of the events of the night before, he must have thought it was a malfunction of this brand new model.) I took the computer to a repair shop and he was also shocked by the interior of the machine and it was then that I began to understand the true import of the lightening strike, It all felt quite surreal and impossible. (after training in trauma therapy for 10 years it was clearly PTSD but at the time no one talked about it then but now its as banded about whern someone has had any kind of shock) I then contacted he insurance company. We were in the process and nearly completing putting a ghost electrics system in, which we then hurriedly connected up putting surge fuses in. The pole had several other later strikes affecting the house next door who also had to put surge fuses in the system as the pole attracted lightening sending the surge through the telephone lines. 11 years later having therapy for another tragic issue I had a flash back and filled in the missing memories. It was only then that I remember the deafening noise of the ball of lightening. There was no storm just that since strike. sara > On 2 Apr 2021, at 20:16, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Popular wisdom generally asserted that lightning would always strike at the highest point but I have often wondered just what is meant by this adage. How far away does a significantly taller strike point have to be to provide effective protection? Our village church tower is barely 100 yds. distant and has impressive looking conductors but I suspect provides no reason for complacency. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <> > Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 6:28 PM > To: Tech1 at tech-ops <> > Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike > > A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. > > Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as badly affected as our current? neighbour who counts himself fortunate having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. > > The only surviving PC of 3 was a lap-top with a surge protector, but nearly all other electrical appliances were burned out, while complete re-wiring, a new central heating boiler and related building work took months. For neighbours, most wiring survived but appliances either failed there and then or have done so since. Apparently it's the alternative accommodation clause of buildings policies that can be an Achilles heel, as most folk think only in terms of a couple of months at most. While the brick carcase of a fairly recent house is likely to survive a serious fire, older buildings can require a complete ground-up re-build, implying perhaps double the cost of a new-build on a similar site. > > Yet no one seems to fit lighting conductors nowadays do they? Isn't there a business opportunity here for someone? > > Hugh > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Apr 3 04:36:23 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 10:36:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <9481C2B2F64D40AB8BB6F01E78E4A0D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Goodness Sara, your first hand experience account and Hugh?s description of a neighbour?s misfortune really ought to make the rest of us grateful. I?ve never experienced anything traumatic but we lived for many years up in the hills of West Somerset where ground strikes were commonplace, these often sending their destruction capability back up the supply neutral/earth conductor. We never lost a major appliance but telephones, TVs and computers were a regular. With the typical rural overhead supply lines it wasn?t always the case that the last few hundred metres were low voltage ? we had the 11,000 volt line terminating on a transformer pole just outside our cottage. The supply neutral was brought down the pole by a substantial conductor and a blind-ended buried horizontal run of a good 50 feet was used to ensure good earthing. This was ideal for conveying a ground strike backwards up the system as was the earthing-rod grounding the consumer installation. P.O Telephones had long before our tenure brought the phone connection in via a protection device. This practice ended in the 1960?s but ours was still there when we bought the cottage in 1980. BT removed it years later when renewing the supply cable. There?s an interesting item on the topic here: https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/lightning-protection/heag182-lightning-protection/ From: sara newman Sent: Saturday, April 3, 2021 9:47 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: Hugh Sheppard ; Tech1 at tech-ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike On May 6th 1993( The date is emblazoned on my memory we were living and renovating an old house just outside Tunbridge Wells. The phone line came in from a pole across the road set in a rather boggy area. At about 9 o?clock I decided to go to bed early as the baby I was feeding was 10 months old and I was very very tired. I was sitting on the side of the bed when there was a flash of lightening just outsider the window. It was brighter than any light I had ever seen. The phone next to the bed glowed and the ball of lightening entered the room at the end of the bed. (St Elmo Fire) and hung there for what seemed several seconds. I followed it onto the landing past my daughters room who also saw it and my sons it then dropped down into the kitchen below where we later found it ended incinerating the new washing machine. Every appliance in the house that was plugged in and ?on? was gutted/incinerated. I had purchased a new Zanussi washing machine which I had had an issue with and the engineer was to come first thing next day. Obviously having no experience of this and trying to calm the children we wen to bed and decided to sort it out in the morning!!!. I turned the washing machine on when I first got up and smoke came out of it. the man from Zanussi came round that afternoon, service in the old days was amazing then ! He took the top off and was so shocked by the molten circuit boards that he replaced the machine later that day! Apparently we should have called the fire brigade ( I did not tell the engineer of the events of the night before, he must have thought it was a malfunction of this brand new model.) I took the computer to a repair shop and he was also shocked by the interior of the machine and it was then that I began to understand the true import of the lightening strike, It all felt quite surreal and impossible. (after training in trauma therapy for 10 years it was clearly PTSD but at the time no one talked about it then but now its as banded about whern someone has had any kind of shock) I then contacted he insurance company. We were in the process and nearly completing putting a ghost electrics system in, which we then hurriedly connected up putting surge fuses in. The pole had several other later strikes affecting the house next door who also had to put surge fuses in the system as the pole attracted lightening sending the surge through the telephone lines. 11 years later having therapy for another tragic issue I had a flash back and filled in the missing memories. It was only then that I remember the deafening noise of the ball of lightening. There was no storm just that since strike. sara On 2 Apr 2021, at 20:16, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Popular wisdom generally asserted that lightning would always strike at the highest point but I have often wondered just what is meant by this adage. How far away does a significantly taller strike point have to be to provide effective protection? Our village church tower is barely 100 yds. distant and has impressive looking conductors but I suspect provides no reason for complacency. Dave Newbitt. From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 6:28 PM To: Tech1 at tech-ops Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as badly affected as our current? neighbour who counts himself fortunate having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. The only surviving PC of 3 was a lap-top with a surge protector, but nearly all other electrical appliances were burned out, while complete re-wiring, a new central heating boiler and related building work took months. For neighbours, most wiring survived but appliances either failed there and then or have done so since. Apparently it's the alternative accommodation clause of buildings policies that can be an Achilles heel, as most folk think only in terms of a couple of months at most. While the brick carcase of a fairly recent house is likely to survive a serious fire, older buildings can require a complete ground-up re-build, implying perhaps double the cost of a new-build on a similar site. Yet no one seems to fit lighting conductors nowadays do they? Isn't there a business opportunity here for someone? Hugh ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sat Apr 3 05:10:57 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 11:10:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <9481C2B2F64D40AB8BB6F01E78E4A0D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: "Ball lightning is often erroneously identified as St. Elmo's fire . They are separate and distinct phenomena." See: https://wiki2.org/en/Ball_lightning KW On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:47, sara newman via Tech1 wrote: > On May 6th 1993( The date is emblazoned on my memory we were living and > renovating an old house just outside Tunbridge Wells. The phone line came > in from a pole across the road set in a rather boggy area. At about 9 > o?clock I decided to go to bed early as the baby I was feeding was 10 > months old and I was very very tired. I was sitting on the side of the bed > when there was a flash of lightening just outsider the window. It was > brighter than any light I had ever seen. The phone next to the bed glowed > and the ball of lightening entered the room at the end of the bed. (St Elmo > Fire) and hung there for what seemed several seconds. I followed it onto > the landing past my daughters room who also saw it and my sons it then > dropped down into the kitchen below where we later found it ended > incinerating the new washing machine. Every appliance in the house that was > plugged in and ?on? was gutted/incinerated. I had purchased a new Zanussi > washing machine which I had had an issue with and the engineer was to come > first thing next day. Obviously having no experience of this and trying to > calm the children we wen to bed and decided to sort it out in the > morning!!!. I turned the washing machine on when I first got up and smoke > came out of it. the man from Zanussi came round that afternoon, service in > the old days was amazing then ! He took the top off and was so shocked by > the molten circuit boards that he replaced the machine later that day! > Apparently we should have called the fire brigade ( I did not tell the > engineer of the events of the night before, he must have thought it was a > malfunction of this brand new model.) I took the computer to a repair shop > and he was also shocked by the interior of the machine and it was then that > I began to understand the true import of the lightening strike, It all felt > quite surreal and impossible. (after training in trauma therapy for 10 > years it was clearly PTSD but at the time no one talked about it then but > now its as banded about whern someone has had any kind of shock) I then > contacted he insurance company. We were in the process and nearly > completing putting a ghost electrics system in, which we then hurriedly > connected up putting surge fuses in. The pole had several other later > strikes affecting the house next door who also had to put surge fuses in > the system as the pole attracted lightening sending the surge through the > telephone lines. 11 years later having therapy for another tragic issue I > had a flash back and filled in the missing memories. It was only then that > I remember the deafening noise of the ball of lightening. There was no > storm just that since strike. > > sara > > > > > > > On 2 Apr 2021, at 20:16, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > Popular wisdom generally asserted that lightning would always strike at > the highest point but I have often wondered just what is meant by this > adage. How far away does a significantly taller strike point have to be to > provide effective protection? Our village church tower is barely 100 yds. > distant and has impressive looking conductors but I suspect provides no > reason for complacency. > > Dave Newbitt. > > *From:* Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > *Sent:* Friday, April 2, 2021 6:28 PM > *To:* Tech1 at tech-ops > *Subject:* [Tech1] Lightning strike > > A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is about > to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning strike. Only > yesterday did I learn the story. > > Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting > carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a > strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution outlets. > Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the house, it > dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling to 3 or 4 > neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet in the living > room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as badly affected as > our current? neighbour who counts himself fortunate having had unlimited > buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. > > The only surviving PC of 3 was a lap-top with a surge protector, but > nearly all other electrical appliances were burned out, while complete > re-wiring, a new central heating boiler and related building work took > months. For neighbours, most wiring survived but appliances either failed > there and then or have done so since. Apparently it's the alternative > accommodation clause of buildings policies that can be an Achilles heel, as > most folk think only in terms of a couple of months at most. While the > brick carcase of a fairly recent house is likely to survive a serious fire, > older buildings can require a complete ground-up re-build, implying perhaps > double the cost of a new-build on a similar site. > > Yet no one seems to fit lighting conductors nowadays do they? Isn't there > a business opportunity here for someone? > > Hugh > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Sat Apr 3 07:34:15 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 13:34:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <9481C2B2F64D40AB8BB6F01E78E4A0D5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Hi, Thank you for the emails and the links. It was definitely a ball the size of a small football. It was truly awesome. Take care everyone Sara > On 3 Apr 2021, at 11:10, Keith Wicks wrote: > > "Ball lightning is often erroneously identified as St.?Elmo's?fire . They are separate and distinct phenomena." > > See: > > https://wiki2.org/en/Ball_lightning > > KW > > On Sat, 3 Apr 2021 at 09:47, sara newman via Tech1 > wrote: > On May 6th 1993( The date is emblazoned on my memory we were living and renovating an old house just outside Tunbridge Wells. The phone line came in from a pole across the road set in a rather boggy area. At about 9 o?clock I decided to go to bed early as the baby I was feeding was 10 months old and I was very very tired. I was sitting on the side of the bed when there was a flash of lightening just outsider the window. It was brighter than any light I had ever seen. The phone next to the bed glowed and the ball of lightening entered the room at the end of the bed. (St Elmo Fire) and hung there for what seemed several seconds. I followed it onto the landing past my daughters room who also saw it and my sons it then dropped down into the kitchen below where we later found it ended incinerating the new washing machine. Every appliance in the house that was plugged in and ?on? was gutted/incinerated. I had purchased a new Zanussi washing machine which I had had an issue with and the engineer was to come first thing next day. Obviously having no experience of this and trying to calm the children we wen to bed and decided to sort it out in the morning!!!. I turned the washing machine on when I first got up and smoke came out of it. the man from Zanussi came round that afternoon, service in the old days was amazing then ! He took the top off and was so shocked by the molten circuit boards that he replaced the machine later that day! Apparently we should have called the fire brigade ( I did not tell the engineer of the events of the night before, he must have thought it was a malfunction of this brand new model.) I took the computer to a repair shop and he was also shocked by the interior of the machine and it was then that I began to understand the true import of the lightening strike, It all felt quite surreal and impossible. (after training in trauma therapy for 10 years it was clearly PTSD but at the time no one talked about it then but now its as banded about whern someone has had any kind of shock) I then contacted he insurance company. We were in the process and nearly completing putting a ghost electrics system in, which we then hurriedly connected up putting surge fuses in. The pole had several other later strikes affecting the house next door who also had to put surge fuses in the system as the pole attracted lightening sending the surge through the telephone lines. 11 years later having therapy for another tragic issue I had a flash back and filled in the missing memories. It was only then that I remember the deafening noise of the ball of lightening. There was no storm just that since strike. > > sara > > > > > > >> On 2 Apr 2021, at 20:16, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Popular wisdom generally asserted that lightning would always strike at the highest point but I have often wondered just what is meant by this adage. How far away does a significantly taller strike point have to be to provide effective protection? Our village church tower is barely 100 yds. distant and has impressive looking conductors but I suspect provides no reason for complacency. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 <> >> Sent: Friday, April 2, 2021 6:28 PM >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops <> >> Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike >> >> A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. >> >> Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as badly affected as our current? neighbour who counts himself fortunate having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. >> >> The only surviving PC of 3 was a lap-top with a surge protector, but nearly all other electrical appliances were burned out, while complete re-wiring, a new central heating boiler and related building work took months. For neighbours, most wiring survived but appliances either failed there and then or have done so since. Apparently it's the alternative accommodation clause of buildings policies that can be an Achilles heel, as most folk think only in terms of a couple of months at most. While the brick carcase of a fairly recent house is likely to survive a serious fire, older buildings can require a complete ground-up re-build, implying perhaps double the cost of a new-build on a similar site. >> >> Yet no one seems to fit lighting conductors nowadays do they? Isn't there a business opportunity here for someone? >> >> Hugh >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Apr 3 08:23:58 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 14:23:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <591763c51bdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c at btinternet.com>, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is > about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning > strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. > Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting > carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a > strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution > outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the > house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling > to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet > in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as > badly affected as our current# neighbour who counts himself fortunate > having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. Quite a tale of woe, Hugh. Are you certain of its truth? A large lightening strike usually causes a fire. To only cause damage via the wiring - and to other properties too - is most unusual. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Apr 3 10:11:21 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 16:11:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <591763c51bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <591763c51bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Put it this way; I had fewer doubts once I had read Sara's 'tale of woe'! Carpet fires inside the house were mentioned. Would you have believed it had it come from Pat? Best Hugh On 03-Apr-21 2:23 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c at btinternet.com>, > Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >> A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is >> about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning >> strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. >> >> Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting >> carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a >> strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution >> outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the >> house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling >> to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet >> in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as >> badly affected as our current# neighbour who counts himself fortunate >> having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. > Quite a tale of woe, Hugh. Are you certain of its truth? > > A large lightening strike usually causes a fire. To only cause damage via > the wiring - and to other properties too - is most unusual. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 3 10:44:08 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 16:44:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <591763c51bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <60688d49.1c69fb81.c723c.55d1@mx.google.com> ?twasn?t me, folks! My story was about lightning taking out my video recorder. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 03 April 2021 16:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike Put it this way; I had fewer doubts once I had read Sara's 'tale of woe'! Carpet fires inside the house were mentioned. Would you have believed it had it come from Pat? Best Hugh -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Apr 3 12:55:21 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2021 18:55:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <591763c51bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <59177c9da5davesound@btinternet.com> I've certainly heard of TVs being wrecked by a strike to the aerial. Just not it then getting everywhere else, including other houses. In article , Hugh Sheppard wrote: > Put it this way; I had fewer doubts once I had read Sara's 'tale of woe'! > Carpet fires inside the house were mentioned. Would you have believed it > had it come from Pat? > Best > Hugh > On 03-Apr-21 2:23 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c at btinternet.com>, > > Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > >> A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is > >> about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning > >> strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. > >> > >> Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting > >> carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a > >> strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution > >> outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the > >> house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling > >> to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet > >> in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as > >> badly affected as our current# neighbour who counts himself fortunate > >> having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. > > Quite a tale of woe, Hugh. Are you certain of its truth? > > > > A large lightening strike usually causes a fire. To only cause damage via > > the wiring - and to other properties too - is most unusual. > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 3 14:04:53 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:04:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <59177c9da5davesound@btinternet.com> References: <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c@btinternet.com> <591763c51bdavesound@btinternet.com> , <59177c9da5davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Just remind me, what was it that Mark Twain famously said? Nick x Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 3 Apr 2021, at 19:03, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I've certainly heard of TVs being wrecked by a strike to the aerial. Just > not it then getting everywhere else, including other houses. > > In article , > Hugh Sheppard wrote: >> Put it this way; I had fewer doubts once I had read Sara's 'tale of woe'! > >> Carpet fires inside the house were mentioned. Would you have believed it >> had it come from Pat? > >> Best > >> Hugh > >>> On 03-Apr-21 2:23 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> In article <440b8d81-ca3f-52a9-3bee-fbd612f7ef5c at btinternet.com>, >>> Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >>>> A temporary resident family has been renting a few doors away and is >>>> about to return 'home' after 8 months repairs following a lightning >>>> strike. Only yesterday did I learn the story. >>>> >>>> Conventional modern detached house among others; several fires affecting >>>> carpets and appliances in the kitchen, living room and bedrooms after a >>>> strike via an external TV aerial with power amplified distribution >>>> outlets. Not content with stripping all mains insulation throughout the >>>> house, it dived underground via the mains circuit and burnt out cabling >>>> to 3 or 4 neighbours, one of whom saw a fire-line run across the carpet >>>> in the living room, caused by a cable-run directly underneath. None as >>>> badly affected as our current# neighbour who counts himself fortunate >>>> having had unlimited buildings and alternative accommodation insurance. >>> Quite a tale of woe, Hugh. Are you certain of its truth? >>> >>> A large lightening strike usually causes a fire. To only cause damage via >>> the wiring - and to other properties too - is most unusual. >>> > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 3 14:34:00 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 20:34:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90B37AC1-6A4A-4A86-AAD4-6420710C8BD5@me.com> Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? Alan Taylor > On 3 Apr 2021, at 20:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just remind me, what was it that Mark Twain famously said? > Nick x > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 3 14:44:54 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2021 19:44:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <90B37AC1-6A4A-4A86-AAD4-6420710C8BD5@me.com> References: , <90B37AC1-6A4A-4A86-AAD4-6420710C8BD5@me.com> Message-ID: Actually, no, not that one! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 3 Apr 2021, at 20:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? > ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 3 Apr 2021, at 20:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Just remind me, what was it that Mark Twain famously said? >> Nick x >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 4 03:34:44 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 09:34:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <90B37AC1-6A4A-4A86-AAD4-6420710C8BD5@me.com> References: <90B37AC1-6A4A-4A86-AAD4-6420710C8BD5@me.com> Message-ID: <60697a25.1c69fb81.10f1d.aa46@mx.google.com> I thoroughly enjoyed reading Samuel Langhorne Clemens? stories about Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, while at school. He became a riverboat pilot, but his piloting career was cut short when riverboat traffic ceased at the start of the Civil War. "Mark Twain" means the second mark on a line that measured depth, signifying two fathoms, or 12 feet, which was a safe depth for riverboats. The river was beset with underwater sandbanks that constantly shifted, hence soundings were taken all the time. I always wanted to build a model stern-wheeler ? maybe steam powered, and radio controlled, with a sound reproducer inside, playing selections from the B & W Minstrels! Never got around to it, though. I remember that recently, this forum had a chat sequence about KeilKraft balsawood kits of model aircraft, using Jetex solid fuel motors. Could never afford R/C kit, sadly. Now, little R/C cars are incredibly cheap, and my cousin, who is only a few years younger than I, has a small remote controlled helicopter. Pat From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 03 April 2021 20:34 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Apr 4 03:37:32 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 09:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <60697a25.1c69fb81.10f1d.aa46@mx.google.com> References: <90B37AC1-6A4A-4A86-AAD4-6420710C8BD5@me.com> <60697a25.1c69fb81.10f1d.aa46@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4CA6915E-83B1-41C6-88B0-83D02442F252@icloud.com> Talking of radio-controlled model helicopters, who was the TM2 who was building his own back in the 70s when it was thought it wasn?t possible to fly one? ? Graeme Wall > On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I thoroughly enjoyed reading Samuel Langhorne Clemens? stories about Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, while at school. He became a riverboat pilot, but his piloting career was cut short when riverboat traffic ceased at the start of the Civil War. "Mark Twain" means the second mark on a line that measured depth, signifying two fathoms, or 12 feet, which was a safe depth for riverboats. The river was beset with underwater sandbanks that constantly shifted, hence soundings were taken all the time. > > I always wanted to build a model stern-wheeler ? maybe steam powered, and radio controlled, with a sound reproducer inside, playing selections from the B & W Minstrels! Never got around to it, though. > I remember that recently, this forum had a chat sequence about KeilKraft balsawood kits of model aircraft, using Jetex solid fuel motors. Could never afford R/C kit, sadly. Now, little R/C cars are incredibly cheap, and my cousin, who is only a few years younger than I, has a small remote controlled helicopter. > Pat > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 03 April 2021 20:34 > To: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike > > Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? > ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 04:21:33 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 10:21:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <4CA6915E-83B1-41C6-88B0-83D02442F252@icloud.com> References: <4CA6915E-83B1-41C6-88B0-83D02442F252@icloud.com> Message-ID: <83934E8A-CCA3-4351-9C63-5472DBA1838D@gmail.com> That would?ve been Pete Valentine, Geoff > On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:38, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Talking of radio-controlled model helicopters, who was the TM2 who was building his own back in the 70s when it was thought it wasn?t possible to fly one? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I thoroughly enjoyed reading Samuel Langhorne Clemens? stories about Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, while at school. He became a riverboat pilot, but his piloting career was cut short when riverboat traffic ceased at the start of the Civil War. "Mark Twain" means the second mark on a line that measured depth, signifying two fathoms, or 12 feet, which was a safe depth for riverboats. The river was beset with underwater sandbanks that constantly shifted, hence soundings were taken all the time. >> >> I always wanted to build a model stern-wheeler ? maybe steam powered, and radio controlled, with a sound reproducer inside, playing selections from the B & W Minstrels! Never got around to it, though. >> I remember that recently, this forum had a chat sequence about KeilKraft balsawood kits of model aircraft, using Jetex solid fuel motors. Could never afford R/C kit, sadly. Now, little R/C cars are incredibly cheap, and my cousin, who is only a few years younger than I, has a small remote controlled helicopter. >> Pat >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: 03 April 2021 20:34 >> To: tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike >> >> Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? >> ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 04:44:52 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 10:44:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <83934E8A-CCA3-4351-9C63-5472DBA1838D@gmail.com> References: <4CA6915E-83B1-41C6-88B0-83D02442F252@icloud.com> <83934E8A-CCA3-4351-9C63-5472DBA1838D@gmail.com> Message-ID: I built a Morley Maverick - It's here on a shelf.? You needed to be a whole lot better than me to fly it, and I've had a turn on a real Bell 47. B On 04/04/2021 10:21, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > That would?ve been Pete Valentine, > Geoff > >> On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:38, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Talking of radio-controlled model helicopters, who was the TM2 who was building his own back in the 70s when it was thought it wasn?t possible to fly one? >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I thoroughly enjoyed reading Samuel Langhorne Clemens? stories about Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, while at school. He became a riverboat pilot, but his piloting career was cut short when riverboat traffic ceased at the start of the Civil War. "Mark Twain" means the second mark on a line that measured depth, signifying two fathoms, or 12 feet, which was a safe depth for riverboats. The river was beset with underwater sandbanks that constantly shifted, hence soundings were taken all the time. >>> >>> I always wanted to build a model stern-wheeler ? maybe steam powered, and radio controlled, with a sound reproducer inside, playing selections from the B & W Minstrels! Never got around to it, though. >>> I remember that recently, this forum had a chat sequence about KeilKraft balsawood kits of model aircraft, using Jetex solid fuel motors. Could never afford R/C kit, sadly. Now, little R/C cars are incredibly cheap, and my cousin, who is only a few years younger than I, has a small remote controlled helicopter. >>> Pat >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 03 April 2021 20:34 >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike >>> >>> Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? >>> ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Woolf > > B > > > > On 04/04/2021 10:21, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> That would?ve been Pete Valentine, >> Geoff >> >>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:38, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Talking of radio-controlled model helicopters, who was the TM2 who was building his own back in the 70s when it was thought it wasn?t possible to fly one? >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I thoroughly enjoyed reading Samuel Langhorne Clemens? stories about Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, while at school. He became a riverboat pilot, but his piloting career was cut short when riverboat traffic ceased at the start of the Civil War. "Mark Twain" means the second mark on a line that measured depth, signifying two fathoms, or 12 feet, which was a safe depth for riverboats. The river was beset with underwater sandbanks that constantly shifted, hence soundings were taken all the time. >>>> >>>> I always wanted to build a model stern-wheeler ? maybe steam powered, and radio controlled, with a sound reproducer inside, playing selections from the B & W Minstrels! Never got around to it, though. >>>> I remember that recently, this forum had a chat sequence about KeilKraft balsawood kits of model aircraft, using Jetex solid fuel motors. Could never afford R/C kit, sadly. Now, little R/C cars are incredibly cheap, and my cousin, who is only a few years younger than I, has a small remote controlled helicopter. >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 03 April 2021 20:34 >>>> To: tech1 >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike >>>> >>>> Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? >>>> ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sun Apr 4 14:12:48 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 20:12:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 In-Reply-To: References: <9ddb293c-49bd-89df-950c-b729cf8f6e9d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Anglia TV sent two OB units to London as part of ITV's wedding coverage. Our big unit was supplying 6 cameras at St Pauls and. our 3 camera drama unit was at the top of Northumberland Avenue . I did a camera 7 stories up on a chimney breast on top of Northumberland Buildings opposite Nelson on his column! There was a PA's strike during Silver Jubilee week so there was no ITV involvement. My crew was due to be at Tower Bridge and I had myself down to do a camera on the catwalk over the Thames but alas we never got there. Ging back to the wedding, i wanted to get inside St Pauls for a look - see with Trevor Vaisey . We met Alan Birmingham and a few other old BBC mates and the camera guys gave us kit to carry and we walked in with them as we had the same OB weather gear on. No questions asked and Trev and I had the run of the place with our Anglia passes etc. once inside. We got up to the inner dome and looked throught the top shot porthole and also out onto the dome balcony. On the great day itself my last hour's work was paid at 16T under ACTT rules! Geoff F On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 19:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I was in the organ loft observing! So you weren?t the only TV sound person > there - although I wasn?t there in any professional role. > > One thing that I?ll never forget was the huge crowds inside and outside, > and the sensation you get when the ?room? is live to countless millions of > people. > And then the following evening B-in-L Barry and I were the only two people > in the entire mostly dark cathedral, and the incredible sense of quiet and > stillness. > All those millions of people gone. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 27 Mar 2021, at 17:57, dave.mdv wrote: > > ? > > No, the Beeb did the Cathedral, I was there standing overlooking the whole > thing from the Triforium level, the only TV sound person in there! Radio > OBs were in the basement and the comm. box was too small for extra people. > Cheers, Dave > On 27/03/2021 16:54, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I thought you might like to see these. In my rummagings and foragings I?ve > just re-discovered original unopened copies of Radio Times and TV Times for > the week of the Charles and Diana wedding. They are in slightly discoloured > but otherwise mint condition having been stored in poly bags all this time. > One shows camera positions, so might be of interest. > > Etc. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Sun Apr 4 15:02:30 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 21:02:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Message-ID: Any of you kind sound guys able to give me some information on the Pye desks that were in the CMCR Type 2 scanners? Here's the desk to remind you: [image: 1972-23 channel-3 Group Pye sound desk in BBC Type 2 OB Scanner-V2-1200px.jpg] *Photo from Steve Harris-CMCR9...with some 'cleaning up' carried out, by photoshop.* They were of the Pye Type 84 design and here's a close up of the fader and coarse gain control: [image: Pye Type 84 Faders-from a 12 Channel-dt.jpg] In previous Pye desks the 'High' position referred to 'maximum amplification' of the mic amp...not a 'High Level' ie Line level input. I imagine this is the same. So we have that, surely outdated by 1968-70,' 60Ohm' button. I don't think anyone was still using mics needing a low impedance termination. Then +20dB/0dB/-20dB and -40dB. It still seems a strange set of labels to me, if it does refer to the mic amp gain. Your thoughts? David T -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 11:21:17 +0100 From: Jane To: dave.mdv Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > *From:* Bob Whitehouse > *Date:* 4 April 2021 at 10:58:50 BST > *To:* JohnMason , CarolePrestidge > , Lorraine > , SueRoz'sSister > , Stuart Shore > , HillaryJonesDutt , > maryclark71p at gmail.com, TrevorBurch , > JayneDunn , RozShore > , Elaine&Randy > *Subject:* *Fwd: Fascinating how history and time play out!* > > ? > >> >> >> This remarkable story was sent on to me, and deserves further airing:- >> >> *Subject:* Fascinating how history and time play out! >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Over 80 years ago, in Greece,sixty >> thousand Jews lived peacefully in >> Thessaloniki.It was a valued and vibrant >> community. >> Most of these Jews worked in the port.So >> much so that the port of Thessaloniki was >> even closed on Saturday, Shabbat. >> Great emeritus rabbis also lived and >> studied there.Everyone rubbed shoulders >> and appreciated each other. >> But on September 2, 1939, on the eve of >> the outbreak of World War II, it is on >> this great community that the Nazi terror >> will suddenly rise. >> On April 6, 1941, Hitler invaded Greece >> in order to secure its southern front >> before launching the famous Operation >> Barbarossa and its great offensive >> against Russia.Of the 60,000 Jews in >> Thessaloniki, around 50,000 will be >> exterminated at the Birkenau >> concentration camp,in record time! >> The massacre of the Jews of Greece was >> brief but intense.Very few will have the >> chance to make it.But among the survivors >> there was a family known as Bourla. >> And after the war, in 1961, a son was >> born into this miraculous family in the >> camps.His parents called him Israel ? >> Abraham.He grew up and studied veterinary >> medicine in Greece.A brilliant student, >> Abraham will get his doctorate in >> reproductive biotechnology at the >> veterinary school of Aristotle University >> in Salonika. >> At the age of 34, he decided to move to >> the United States.He changes his first >> name Abraham,to Albert. >> Albert was integrated into the medical >> industry.He progressed quickly and joined >> a pharmaceutical company in 1993 where he >> became ?Head manager.?Abraham (Albert) >> rose through the ranks and got his >> appointment as CEO of this company in 2019. >> Throughout the year Albert decides to >> direct the efforts of the company to try >> to find a vaccine against a new virus >> (Covid)which has just struck the world.He >> expends great financial and technological >> efforts to achieve his goal. >> A year later the WHO (World Health >> Organization) validates his company to >> produce the long-awaited vaccine ... His >> vaccine will be distributed in several >> countries including Germany, which counts >> thousands of dead from the pandemic. >> Ironically, this vaccine which will save >> the lives of millions of people around >> the world including many Germans,was led >> and pushed by a little Jew from >> Thessaloniki, son of Holocaust survivors >> from whom most of his people were >> exterminated by Nazi Germany. >> And that is why Israel became the first >> country to receive the vaccine. In memory >> of his grandparents and his parents, who >> gave birth to Israel-Abraham Bourla, >> known today as Albert Bourla*:*CEO of Pfizer. >> >> Image removed by >> sender. >> >> >> Virus-free. >> www.avast.com >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 4 16:20:16 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 22:20:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past Message-ID: I have just spent several days shredding my OB time sheets and expense forms since 1984 until I retired in 1998 plus a few freelance ones up to 2002. It was quite emotional as it detailed my working life for all those years and what a life it was! I retained one which I have added one for you to see of my most memorable Christmasses ever! We were shot at in our helicopter by the Iranians and rescued a Korean crew from their burning freighter who took over our beds in the sick bay so? that we had to 'hot-bunk' with the RN officers to sleep! I was also allowed to 'drive' the frigate at night past the convoy of oil tankers, cross over in front of them and then let them overtake on the other side. 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Apr 4 16:59:41 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2021 22:59:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <177112DA426548FFBD0F0D1449F414B8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I can see why you kept this one Dave! Amongst other 'well travelled in the course of duty' colleagues I wonder, if they could keep a record of just one item from their memory banks, what they would choose? Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 10:20 PM To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Times past I have just spent several days shredding my OB time sheets and expense forms since 1984 until I retired in 1998 plus a few freelance ones up to 2002. It was quite emotional as it detailed my working life for all those years and what a life it was! I retained one which I have added one for you to see of my most memorable Christmasses ever! We were shot at in our helicopter by the Iranians and rescued a Korean crew from their burning freighter who took over our beds in the sick bay so that we had to 'hot-bunk' with the RN officers to sleep! I was also allowed to 'drive' the frigate at night past the convoy of oil tankers, cross over in front of them and then let them overtake on the other side. The night sky in the Gulf was amazing with shooting stars and the bright green fluorescence from the bow wave of the tankers. Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net Sun Apr 4 18:15:15 2021 From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 00:15:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 In-Reply-To: References: <9ddb293c-49bd-89df-950c-b729cf8f6e9d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <001f01d729a8$5f4b8bb0$1de2a310$@talktalk.net> I was the floor manager with the late Tom Fleming, who was commentating on the wedding at St. Pauls. The commentary box was located at the west end of the cathedral, very high up with an enormous stained glass window behind us. Apart from Helen Holmes, Tom?s researcher, we were accompanied by a dozen SAS plus their officer who, fully armed, were apparently defending the window from outside attack by parachutists. I spoke to the officer to ensure that they did not come near the commentary box when we went ?live?. His main problem, he assured me was his fear of a car back-firing and the Royal Protection officers opening fire. He thought that they were a trigger happy lot. I also recall that during the ceremony, ITV lost their feed from the cathedral and our director, Michael Lumley, immediately agreed to give our picture feed to them until their pictures were restored. A final memory was of the very special zoom lens that had come all the way from Japan to get a BCU of Diana. It did the job perfectly but in the derig was left on the pavement outside St./ Pauls for a day or two. Alex Thomas From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 Sent: 04 April 2021 20:13 To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Royal wedding 1981 Anglia TV sent two OB units to London as part of ITV's wedding coverage. Our big unit was supplying 6 cameras at St Pauls and. our 3 camera drama unit was at the top of Northumberland Avenue . I did a camera 7 stories up on a chimney breast on top of Northumberland Buildings opposite Nelson on his column! There was a PA's strike during Silver Jubilee week so there was no ITV involvement. My crew was due to be at Tower Bridge and I had myself down to do a camera on the catwalk over the Thames but alas we never got there. Ging back to the wedding, i wanted to get inside St Pauls for a look - see with Trevor Vaisey . We met Alan Birmingham and a few other old BBC mates and the camera guys gave us kit to carry and we walked in with them as we had the same OB weather gear on. No questions asked and Trev and I had the run of the place with our Anglia passes etc. once inside. We got up to the inner dome and looked throught the top shot porthole and also out onto the dome balcony. On the great day itself my last hour's work was paid at 16T under ACTT rules! Geoff F On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 at 19:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: I was in the organ loft observing! So you weren?t the only TV sound person there - although I wasn?t there in any professional role. One thing that I?ll never forget was the huge crowds inside and outside, and the sensation you get when the ?room? is live to countless millions of people. And then the following evening B-in-L Barry and I were the only two people in the entire mostly dark cathedral, and the incredible sense of quiet and stillness. All those millions of people gone. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Mar 2021, at 17:57, dave.mdv > wrote: ? No, the Beeb did the Cathedral, I was there standing overlooking the whole thing from the Triforium level, the only TV sound person in there! Radio OBs were in the basement and the comm. box was too small for extra people. Cheers, Dave On 27/03/2021 16:54, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: I thought you might like to see these. In my rummagings and foragings I?ve just re-discovered original unopened copies of Radio Times and TV Times for the week of the Charles and Diana wedding. They are in slightly discoloured but otherwise mint condition having been stored in poly bags all this time. One shows camera positions, so might be of interest. Etc. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Apr 5 02:32:42 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 08:32:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <177112DA426548FFBD0F0D1449F414B8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <177112DA426548FFBD0F0D1449F414B8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <9B24648F-E0FA-45DE-AE86-C536F7B2529A@mac.com> Do you mean you didn?t scan them all first, Dave? It would have occupied even more time and whiled away yet more of lockdown! Mike G > On 4 Apr 2021, at 23:00, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I can see why you kept this one Dave! Amongst other 'well travelled in the course of duty' colleagues I wonder, if they could keep a record of just one item from their memory banks, what they would choose? > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 10:20 PM > To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] Times past > > I have just spent several days shredding my OB time sheets and expense > forms since 1984 until I retired in 1998 plus a few freelance ones up to > 2002. It was quite emotional as it detailed my working life for all > those years and what a life it was! I retained one which I have added > one for you to see of my most memorable Christmasses ever! We were shot > at in our helicopter by the Iranians and rescued a Korean crew from > their burning freighter who took over our beds in the sick bay so that > we had to 'hot-bunk' with the RN officers to sleep! I was also allowed > to 'drive' the frigate at night past the convoy of oil tankers, cross > over in front of them and then let them overtake on the other side. The > night sky in the Gulf was amazing with shooting stars and the bright > green fluorescence from the bow wave of the tankers. Cheers, Dave > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 5 02:57:00 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 08:57:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Lightning strike In-Reply-To: <83934E8A-CCA3-4351-9C63-5472DBA1838D@gmail.com> References: <4CA6915E-83B1-41C6-88B0-83D02442F252@icloud.com> <83934E8A-CCA3-4351-9C63-5472DBA1838D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481CB6AE-C478-414B-9D79-7AF286A9E263@icloud.com> That?s the guy, I remember him bringing the prototype in one day to show somebody, we tried to get him to demonstrate it in an empty studio but he, wisely, declined. ? Graeme Wall > On 4 Apr 2021, at 10:21, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > > That would?ve been Pete Valentine, > Geoff > >> On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:38, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Talking of radio-controlled model helicopters, who was the TM2 who was building his own back in the 70s when it was thought it wasn?t possible to fly one? >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 4 Apr 2021, at 09:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I thoroughly enjoyed reading Samuel Langhorne Clemens? stories about Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn, while at school. He became a riverboat pilot, but his piloting career was cut short when riverboat traffic ceased at the start of the Civil War. "Mark Twain" means the second mark on a line that measured depth, signifying two fathoms, or 12 feet, which was a safe depth for riverboats. The river was beset with underwater sandbanks that constantly shifted, hence soundings were taken all the time. >>> >>> I always wanted to build a model stern-wheeler ? maybe steam powered, and radio controlled, with a sound reproducer inside, playing selections from the B & W Minstrels! Never got around to it, though. >>> I remember that recently, this forum had a chat sequence about KeilKraft balsawood kits of model aircraft, using Jetex solid fuel motors. Could never afford R/C kit, sadly. Now, little R/C cars are incredibly cheap, and my cousin, who is only a few years younger than I, has a small remote controlled helicopter. >>> Pat >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 03 April 2021 20:34 >>> To: tech1 >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lightning strike >>> >>> Obviously, the Mark Twain quote which you are seeking is ? >>> ?Thunder is good, thunder is impressive; but it is lightning that does the work.? >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Apr 5 05:35:45 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:35:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9681cf73-9f40-b24a-a899-6e3a4d76d24a@chriswoolf.co.uk> At that period a great many mics in use were dynamics, and there were two schools of thought. One preferred the old matched impedance energy transfer, at least for mics, and used transformer tapping to give this. The other argument was moving towards low/high impedance voltage transfer which ignored matching, but that didn't find universal approval until well into the 70s. As a P&I man at TSW I had to convince them to abandon impedance matching in the CAR in the early 80s! Many older dynamic mics relied on tolerable impedance matching to give a decently flat response, so allowing for this on the Pye desks wasn't unreasonable. Chris Woolf On 04/04/2021 21:02, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Any of you kind sound guys able to give me some information on the Pye > desks that were in the CMCR Type 2 scanners? > Here's the desk to remind you: > 1972-23 channel-3 Group Pye sound desk in BBC Type 2 OB > Scanner-V2-1200px.jpg > /Photo from Steve Harris-CMCR9...with some 'cleaning up' carried out, > by photoshop./ > They were of the Pye Type 84 design and here's a close up of the fader > and coarse gain control: > Pye Type 84 Faders-from a 12 Channel-dt.jpg > In previous Pye desks the 'High' position referred to 'maximum > amplification' of the mic amp...not a 'High Level' ie Line level > input. I imagine this is the same. > So we have that, surely outdated by 1968-70,' 60Ohm' button. I don't > think anyone was still using mics needing a low impedance termination. > Then?+20dB/0dB/-20dB and -40dB. It still seems a strange set of labels > to me, if it does refer to the mic amp gain. > Your thoughts? > > David T > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1972-23 channel-3 Group Pye sound desk in BBC Type 2 OB Scanner-V2-1200px.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1690401 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Pye Type 84 Faders-from a 12 Channel-dt.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 962250 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Apr 5 05:39:52 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:39:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6ae694d0-8caf-543d-6855-16912efaf524@imixmics.co.uk> My main/only recollection is that the EQ units started catching fire! Something about 2 different voltages next to each other on the flimsy edge connector. Heat softened the connector which allowed contact - more heat - smoke, flames - oops! John Nottage On 04/04/2021 21:02, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Any of you kind sound guys able to give me some information on the Pye > desks that were in the CMCR Type 2 scanners? > Here's the desk to remind you: > 1972-23 channel-3 Group Pye sound desk in BBC Type 2 OB > Scanner-V2-1200px.jpg > /Photo from Steve Harris-CMCR9...with some 'cleaning up' carried out, by > photoshop./ > They were of the Pye Type 84 design and here's a close up of the fader > and coarse gain control: > Pye Type 84 Faders-from a 12 Channel-dt.jpg > In previous Pye desks the 'High' position referred to 'maximum > amplification' of the mic amp...not a 'High Level' ie Line level input. > I imagine this is the same. > So we have that, surely outdated by 1968-70,' 60Ohm' button. I don't > think anyone was still using mics needing a low impedance termination. > Then?+20dB/0dB/-20dB and -40dB. It still seems a strange set of labels > to me, if it does refer to the mic amp gain. > Your thoughts? > > David T > From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Apr 5 06:05:28 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 12:05:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> In article , David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > So we have that, surely outdated by 1968-70,' 60Ohm' button. I don't think > anyone was still using mics needing a low impedance termination. IIRC, the STC ribbon mics came in two types. IIRC, 30 and 300 ohms. 30 being for very long cable runs. A matching transformer in those days might give slightly better noise figures. I think more so in valve days where you'd normally need a matching input transformer anyway, so you might as well get the best match possible. Early transistors had a much lower input impedance, so not such difference (excluding the need for a balanced to unbalanced transformer) IIRC, that was the reason for the 8pin F&E connectors in the studios. A transformer in the wall box had inputs for both 30 and 300 ohm mics. By selecting what pins you used. Making the need for different extension cables, depending on the type of mic used. I think. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 5 06:51:46 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 11:51:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> References: , <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Correct! ;-) And two of the 8 pins brought the 30 - 300 Ohm transformer?s secondary winding out and back up the cable to the desk inputs, all of which was a bummer when 48V phantom power arrived on the scene and forced a rethink. (Remember the sparks and splats when you patched a mic to a channel on a 316 PO jackfield?) Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Apr 2021, at 12:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article > , > David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> So we have that, surely outdated by 1968-70,' 60Ohm' button. I don't think >> anyone was still using mics needing a low impedance termination. > > IIRC, the STC ribbon mics came in two types. IIRC, 30 and 300 ohms. 30 > being for very long cable runs. A matching transformer in those days might > give slightly better noise figures. I think more so in valve days where > you'd normally need a matching input transformer anyway, so you might as > well get the best match possible. Early transistors had a much lower input > impedance, so not such difference (excluding the need for a balanced to > unbalanced transformer) > > IIRC, that was the reason for the 8pin F&E connectors in the studios. A > transformer in the wall box had inputs for both 30 and 300 ohm mics. By > selecting what pins you used. Making the need for different extension > cables, depending on the type of mic used. > > I think. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 5 08:53:39 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 14:53:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: , <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346@mx.google.com> I think I recall that 4038?s were 30 ohm, otherwise everything else was 300? The 4038?s were not difficult to detect, as they had a plug to the mic that was different (Tuchel?) and the mic stands were fitted for that, so the cables were different. The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured instead ? in the TVT, there was a period where a C28 was mounted under the 4033 ? crisper and better ?sucking power?. This on a Mole boom. It meant a double cable feed around the pulleys, but it worked. Also meant a mains feed to the boom for the C28 power box. (I was once allowed to borrow two C28?s to record an amateur musical). That was fun ? I had a mobile Control Room ? my uncle?s caravan ? and Nick Ware?s TV camera that he built, giving a view of the stage ? deprived my parents of their TV for a couple of nights! All that and my Revox, with a four channel Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy, was a cobbled together set-up! Pat (I?m reminded of an ex-Naval friend?s adage: ?Adopt ? Adapt- Improve?) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2021 12:52 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Correct! ;-) And two of the 8 pins brought the 30 - 300 Ohm transformer?s secondary winding out and back up the cable to the desk inputs, all of which was a bummer when 48V phantom power arrived on the scene and forced a rethink. (Remember the sparks and splats when you patched a mic to a channel on a 316 PO jackfield?) Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Apr 2021, at 12:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > IIRC, the STC ribbon mics came in two types. IIRC, 30 and 300 ohms. 30 > being for very long cable runs. A matching transformer in those days might > give slightly better noise figures. I think more so in valve days where > you'd normally need a matching input transformer anyway, so you might as > well get the best match possible. Early transistors had a much lower input > impedance, so not such difference (excluding the need for a balanced to > unbalanced transformer) > > IIRC, that was the reason for the 8pin F&E connectors in the studios. A > transformer in the wall box had inputs for both 30 and 300 ohm mics. By > selecting what pins you used. Making the need for different extension > cables, depending on the type of mic used. > > I think. ;-) > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 5 09:42:44 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 15:42:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] How did d they shoot that? Message-ID: There?s a ?making of" sequence at the end! ? Graeme Wall From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Apr 5 09:52:59 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2021 15:52:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346@mx.google.com> References: <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced > by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured > instead The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 5 10:11:28 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 16:11:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346@mx.google.com> References: <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346@mx.google.com> Message-ID: At KA, we always referred to the STC microphone connector as a Thistle plug. It?s often overlooked that up until around WW2, microphones didn?t have sockets, just terminals for bare wires. Manufacturers each decided to use proprietary connectors for their microphones until the XLR eventually became established as the universal audio connector. Alan Taylor > On 5 Apr 2021, at 14:54, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I think I recall that 4038?s were 30 ohm, otherwise everything else was 300? > The 4038?s were not difficult to detect, as they had a plug to the mic that was different (Tuchel?) and the mic stands were fitted for that, so the cables were different. > The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured instead ? in the TVT, there was a period where a C28 was mounted under the 4033 ? crisper and better ?sucking power?. This on a Mole boom. It meant a double cable feed around the pulleys, but it worked. Also meant a mains feed to the boom for the C28 power box. > (I was once allowed to borrow two C28?s to record an amateur musical). That was fun ? I had a mobile Control Room ? my uncle?s caravan ? and Nick Ware?s TV camera that he built, giving a view of the stage ? deprived my parents of their TV for a couple of nights! All that and my Revox, with a four channel Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy, was a cobbled together set-up! > Pat > (I?m reminded of an ex-Naval friend?s adage: > ?Adopt ? Adapt- Improve?) > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 05 April 2021 12:52 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > Correct! ;-) And two of the 8 pins brought the 30 - 300 Ohm transformer?s secondary winding out and back up the cable to the desk inputs, all of which was a bummer when 48V phantom power arrived on the scene and forced a rethink. (Remember the sparks and splats when you patched a mic to a channel on a 316 PO jackfield?) > Cheers, N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 5 Apr 2021, at 12:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > IIRC, the STC ribbon mics came in two types. IIRC, 30 and 300 ohms. 30 > > being for very long cable runs. A matching transformer in those days might > > give slightly better noise figures. I think more so in valve days where > > you'd normally need a matching input transformer anyway, so you might as > > well get the best match possible. Early transistors had a much lower input > > impedance, so not such difference (excluding the need for a balanced to > > unbalanced transformer) > > > > IIRC, that was the reason for the 8pin F&E connectors in the studios. A > > transformer in the wall box had inputs for both 30 and 300 ohm mics. By > > selecting what pins you used. Making the need for different extension > > cables, depending on the type of mic used. > > > > I think. ;-) > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Apr 5 10:42:20 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 16:42:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <628D03364E80430F84BB5CBB353CA801@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Thistle I imagine because it was the plug associated with the STC ?Thistle? (Apple & Biscuit) omni mic. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 4:11 PM To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. At KA, we always referred to the STC microphone connector as a Thistle plug. It?s often overlooked that up until around WW2, microphones didn?t have sockets, just terminals for bare wires. Manufacturers each decided to use proprietary connectors for their microphones until the XLR eventually became established as the universal audio connector. Alan Taylor On 5 Apr 2021, at 14:54, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I think I recall that 4038?s were 30 ohm, otherwise everything else was 300? The 4038?s were not difficult to detect, as they had a plug to the mic that was different (Tuchel?) and the mic stands were fitted for that, so the cables were different. The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured instead ? in the TVT, there was a period where a C28 was mounted under the 4033 ? crisper and better ?sucking power?. This on a Mole boom. It meant a double cable feed around the pulleys, but it worked. Also meant a mains feed to the boom for the C28 power box. (I was once allowed to borrow two C28?s to record an amateur musical). That was fun ? I had a mobile Control Room ? my uncle?s caravan ? and Nick Ware?s TV camera that he built, giving a view of the stage ? deprived my parents of their TV for a couple of nights! All that and my Revox, with a four channel Vortexion mixer loaned by Mike McCarthy, was a cobbled together set-up! Pat (I?m reminded of an ex-Naval friend?s adage: ?Adopt ? Adapt- Improve?) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2021 12:52 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Correct! ;-) And two of the 8 pins brought the 30 - 300 Ohm transformer?s secondary winding out and back up the cable to the desk inputs, all of which was a bummer when 48V phantom power arrived on the scene and forced a rethink. (Remember the sparks and splats when you patched a mic to a channel on a 316 PO jackfield?) Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Apr 2021, at 12:07, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > IIRC, the STC ribbon mics came in two types. IIRC, 30 and 300 ohms. 30 > being for very long cable runs. A matching transformer in those days might > give slightly better noise figures. I think more so in valve days where > you'd normally need a matching input transformer anyway, so you might as > well get the best match possible. Early transistors had a much lower input > impedance, so not such difference (excluding the need for a balanced to > unbalanced transformer) > > IIRC, that was the reason for the 8pin F&E connectors in the studios. A > transformer in the wall box had inputs for both 30 and 300 ohm mics. By > selecting what pins you used. Making the need for different extension > cables, depending on the type of mic used. > > I think. ;-) > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 5 11:19:09 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 16:19:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <628D03364E80430F84BB5CBB353CA801@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346@mx.google.com> , <628D03364E80430F84BB5CBB353CA801@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: I think it was on our junior tech ops course that Laurie Taylor came up with the bright idea that there should be white lines painted on the back of the 4033, so that if it got in shot the cameras wouldn?t be able to resolve it. Daft idea, or not so daft? Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Apr 2021, at 16:42, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? Thistle I imagine because it was the plug associated with the STC ?Thistle? (Apple & Biscuit) omni mic. Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Apr 5 16:22:49 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2021 22:22:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> References: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. Wide cardioid Not so much suck. Last year I sold both on the Bay The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. Roger Sent from my iPad > On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >> instead > > The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts > using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 6 03:12:31 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 08:12:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Message-ID: Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex > Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid > The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response > The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. > Wide cardioid > Not so much suck. > Last year I sold both on the Bay > The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... > The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. > > > Roger > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>> instead >> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Tue Apr 6 04:01:52 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 10:01:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never used a 4033 on a boom, when I joined Anglia in 1966 we used D-25's. All the booms were Moles. Going to Thames and then quickly exciting to LWT in 1969 and it was U-67 on they were now mainly Fishers. The platforms had to take the N-67 PSU with mains cables of course and the mics still had the big multipin tails. The desks at LWT were still Redifussion's old valve Marconi's so the better response of the U-67's must have 'opened the window' (the sonic one) and 'more muck must have been allowed in'. Those Marconi's had no built in EQ of course and 'outboards' were plugged in as needed. The fan noise from the cameras, plus the boom rumble must have been more noticeable, even with the bass roll off put in on the Neumann's. Another year and the U-87's had arrived, but still needed a psu until 'phantom on the desks' arrived with the move to The South Bank and the new Neve's, on which the Hpf switched in at 70Hz was the usual setting. I have episodes of the LWT 1969/70 drama 'Manhunt' and they sound good, but you can sometimes hear the camera moves of course. We even tried to replace the D-25's on OB location sequences...but with no proper windshield we were trying to adapt that big D-25 football windshield to take the U-87's! David T On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 09:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off > I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, > when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late > 1970?s. > > Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of > reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than > now. > > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex > > Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid > > The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response > > The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. > > Wide cardioid > > Not so much suck. > > Last year I sold both on the Bay > > The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... > > The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. > > > > > > Roger > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > >>> ?In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, > >>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > >>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were > replaced > >>> by Fishers ? the 33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured > >>> instead > >> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of > sorts > >> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. > >> -- > >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 6 04:38:02 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 10:38:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: , <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606c2bf9.1c69fb81.10a1f.590e@mx.google.com> Another story about jackplug cross plugging. The show was ?Take A Sapphire? directed by Ned Sherrin. Action in TC4, orchestra in TC3, under Harry Rab. After two days rehearsal and setting up, it was all ready to record at the start of the third day. The SS pulled up the feed from TC3 ? sweet FA, absolutely nothing! The shift in CAR had changed, no-one had thought to tie a label around the linking double-enders, so everything got pulled out to set the jackfield back to clear. And no-one had thought to make a list of the links, either. We relied upon memory as to what had been plugged between the two studios, and somehow got it back up before ?roll VT? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2021 12:52 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. (Remember the sparks and splats when you patched a mic to a channel on a 316 PO jackfield?) Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 05:09:20 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:09:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5918dd7563davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host > of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then > than now. You'd not have even picked up the whispered mumbled dialogue so common today on a 4033 in a boom. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 05:15:24 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 11:15:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5918de0378davesound@btinternet.com> In article , David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Going to Thames and then quickly exciting to LWT in 1969 and it was U-67 > on they were now mainly Fishers. When I moved to Thames Teddington, the boom mics were U87. Previously, U77. AB powered, or by an internal PP3. No U67 in the mic cupboard at all - and nothing ever got thrown out. Sam would have had kittens seeing an expensive mic like the U87 used in a boom. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 05:29:13 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 11:29:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <606c2bf9.1c69fb81.10a1f.590e@mx.google.com> References: , <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> <606c2bf9.1c69fb81.10a1f.590e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: ?Take a Sapphire? action was in TC1 (I was tracking the creeper August 25-27th. 1965) which would probably have involved more CAR links! We didn?t finish until 23:30 on the last day which was most annoying as I was catching a coach to Norwich at the crack of dawn the next day! I think I slept for most of the 5+ hours journey! It took that long as it went via Bury St. Edmonds. Barry. On 6 Apr 2021, at 10:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Another story about jackplug cross plugging. > The show was ?Take A Sapphire? directed by Ned Sherrin. > Action in TC4, orchestra in TC3, under Harry Rab. > After two days rehearsal and setting up, it was all ready to record at the start of the third day. The SS pulled up the feed from TC3 ? sweet FA, absolutely nothing! > The shift in CAR had changed, no-one had thought to tie a label around the linking double-enders, so everything got pulled out to set the jackfield back to clear. > And no-one had thought to make a list of the links, either. > We relied upon memory as to what had been plugged between the two studios, and somehow got it back up before ?roll VT? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 05 April 2021 12:52 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > (Remember the sparks and splats when you patched a mic to a channel on a 316 PO jackfield?) > Cheers, N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Tue Apr 6 05:46:45 2021 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 11:46:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <5918de0378davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5918de0378davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: The U-87 was a really wonderful mic on a Fisher boom, with it's Neumann built suspension, although the 'boom shadow', when it came into shot was a bad as any other mic. We were surprised when we saw AKG C-451's appearing on BBC booms, but I guess price was a big consideration if you had that many working studios to fit out. The U-87 'panned' and 'tilted' so well without any whip, but then of course the 'whippiest' was the Senny 416. However there wasn't usually any gain to be had from putting a 416 on a studio boom, certainly not on a drama or sit-com. although I did use them on LE shows sometimes. The U-87 was always so good on 'dialogue', ie the voice - it didn't suffer from sibilance problems, which is why I guess it became the 'mic of choice' for recording studios on vocals as well. I was still using a very old pair of the original version for V/O's until I stopped in 2012. DT On Tue, 6 Apr 2021 at 11:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article > , > David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Going to Thames and then quickly exciting to LWT in 1969 and it was U-67 > > on they were now mainly Fishers. > > When I moved to Thames Teddington, the boom mics were U87. Previously, > U77. AB powered, or by an internal PP3. No U67 in the mic cupboard at all > - and nothing ever got thrown out. > > Sam would have had kittens seeing an expensive mic like the U87 used in a > boom. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 6 06:20:21 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 11:20:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <5918dd7563davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5918dd7563davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yep. But you can?t really blame the 4033 for that one! Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 6 Apr 2021, at 11:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host >> of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then >> than now. > > You'd not have even picked up the whispered mumbled dialogue so common > today on a 4033 in a boom. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 6 06:49:36 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 12:49:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <5918dd7563davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5918dd7563davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6918BAA0-3232-4CAC-82F4-D270750AB4BC@me.com> Mumbled dialogue is not a new thing. I would like to draw your attention to exhibit A ...... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Mumbling dialogue 1952.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 214696 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Alan Taylor > On 6 Apr 2021, at 11:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > You'd not have even picked up the whispered mumbled dialogue so common > today on a 4033 in a boom. ;-) From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 07:08:39 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 13:08:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: <5918dd7563davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <000901d72add$950c0190$bf2404b0$@gmail.com> The 4033 as few degrees off axis sounded much better than the D25 which went a bit edgy, if I remember right. But the U67 and subsequently U87 were great boom mics, in my opinion. As Dave says you wouldn't get much output on traditional mics and booms if they were used in modern drama, but we all remember when actors could act! Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 06 April 2021 12:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Yep. But you can?t really blame the 4033 for that one! Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 6 Apr 2021, at 11:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole >> host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more >> natural-sounding then than now. > > You'd not have even picked up the whispered mumbled dialogue so common > today on a 4033 in a boom. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 6 07:17:52 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 13:17:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: , <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com> <606c2bf9.1c69fb81.10a1f.590e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <606c516f.1c69fb81.cad0c.85e4@mx.google.com> Thank you Barry, for clarifying the studio. I had a chat with Bob Foley, who was shadowing me on Grams for ?Sapphire?. He also thought it was TC1. Thus I was confusing ?Sapphire? with ?Titipu? (a version of The Mikado, with Harry Worth, Richard Wattis, Hattie Jacques et al). That was the one which linked TC 3 and 4. There was a camera on Harry Rab, fed to monitors around TC4 for the artistes to keep in time. I remember him gazing fondly at the ?Three Little Maids from School?! I have audio tape copies of both those shows ? ?Sapphire? was all pre-recorded, I think at Lansdowne, but ?Titipu? was part pre-rec and part live. I need a change of brain, at 78, my memory is not what it was! David Croft is credited as producer on IMDb, so he must have directed ?Titipu?. ?Sapphire? was definitely Ned Sherrin, and he and Caryl Brahms wrote the story. The tapes were mixed by a young chap at Lansdowne, not Adrian Kerridge ? on the crescendo of the last number there was a huge spill of the orch onto the vocal mics, which if played in stereo, sounds wonderful! Good times! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner Sent: 06 April 2021 11:29 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. ?Take a Sapphire? action was in TC1 (I was tracking the creeper August 25-27th. 1965) which would probably have involved more CAR links!? We didn?t finish until 23:30 on the last day which was most annoying as I was catching a coach to Norwich at the crack of dawn the next day!? I think I slept for most of the 5+ hours journey! It took that long as it went via Bury St. Edmonds. Barry. On 6 Apr 2021, at 10:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Another story about jackplug cross plugging. The show was ?Take A Sapphire? directed by Ned Sherrin. Action in TC4, orchestra in TC3, under Harry Rab. After two days rehearsal and setting up, it was all ready to record at the start of the third day. The SS pulled up the feed from TC3 ? sweet FA, absolutely nothing! The shift in CAR had changed, no-one had thought to tie a label around the linking double-enders, so everything got pulled out to set the jackfield back to clear. And no-one had thought to make a list of the links, either. We relied upon memory as to what had been plugged between the two studios, and somehow got it back up before ?roll VT? Pat ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 07:22:17 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 13:22:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <6918BAA0-3232-4CAC-82F4-D270750AB4BC@me.com> References: <6918BAA0-3232-4CAC-82F4-D270750AB4BC@me.com> Message-ID: <2C2E3115-7488-48E1-B858-D0E622F65FD0@btinternet.com> Delicious notice! Particularly like the hammer dropping! How many times that hammer has been dropped in my recording life is beyond me. If you listen to well restored movies from the30s and 40s you will hear the sound of ribbon microphones in large dead spaces , and very effective they were Admittedly the voices are projecting but the sound stages were well designed and those mics had a lot of gain from the 3 ch Westrex mixer. Why cardioid mics overtook fig 8s is a mystery to me , the suck of a fig 8 is considerable , better than D25 or STC 4033, even taking their rear field into account Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Apr 2021, at 12:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Mumbled dialogue is not a new thing. > I would like to draw your attention to exhibit A ...... > > > > > Alan Taylor > > > > >> On 6 Apr 2021, at 11:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> You'd not have even picked up the whispered mumbled dialogue so common >> today on a 4033 in a boom. ;-) > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 6 07:50:23 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 13:50:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> References: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18@mx.google.com> I thought that the 4033 produced an almost perfect cardioid pattern, if one looks at the maths. I?m sure Chris Woolf can expand on that? (and wasn?t there a screwdriver switch that could be selected to use the omni, ribbon or both?) When I ventured into the film industry, I was dismayed to discover that the Fisher booms, used by Pinewood and Shepperton, were the short reach small ones (like the TVT side set boom), and did not have the tilt control, only pan. So one could not flatten out over the top on actors progressing upstage, backs to camera. Of course, any non lipsync dialogue could be picked up as a wildtrack, or on a reverse angle. Dave Hawthorne taught me a wheeze ? a presenter/actor was constantly fiddling with his personal mic, a BK6, on a lanyard. Dave replugged it to Sound TB and spoke to the actor, requesting him to leave it alone! I used this trick with a D25, being a moving coil, it could function as a mini loudspeaker. Putting the boom mic close to the camera operator?s ear, I had plugged the mic to the output of a Nagra, and wearing an ECM50, asked him for a top of frame limit. A very puzzled operator wondered where the voice came from. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger Long via Tech1 Sent: 05 April 2021 22:23 To: Dave Plowman Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. Wide cardioid Not so much suck. Last year I sold both on the Bay The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. Roger -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 08:04:50 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2021 14:04:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18@mx.google.com> References: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5918ed8689davesound@btinternet.com> In article <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18 at mx.google.com>, patheigham wrote: > I thought that the 4033 produced an almost perfect cardioid pattern, if > one looks at the maths. I doubt it. To give a perfect cardiod (and no mic does) you'd need the two mics matching perfectly at all frequencies. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 08:20:36 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:20:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <606c516f.1c69fb81.cad0c.85e4@mx.google.com> References: , <59185ec318davesound@btinternet.com><606c2bf9.1c69fb81.10a1f.590e@mx.google.com> <606c516f.1c69fb81.cad0c.85e4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: There?s no VT recording of either ?Titipu? or ?Take a Sapphire? in the archive. Those audios are probably the only surviving recordings of them. ?Titipu? featured one of John Inman?s first TV appearances as well. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 1:17 PM To: Barry Bonner Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Thank you Barry, for clarifying the studio. I had a chat with Bob Foley, who was shadowing me on Grams for ?Sapphire?. He also thought it was TC1. Thus I was confusing ?Sapphire? with ?Titipu? (a version of The Mikado, with Harry Worth, Richard Wattis, Hattie Jacques et al). That was the one which linked TC 3 and 4. There was a camera on Harry Rab, fed to monitors around TC4 for the artistes to keep in time. I remember him gazing fondly at the ?Three Little Maids from School?! I have audio tape copies of both those shows ? ?Sapphire? was all pre-recorded, I think at Lansdowne, but ?Titipu? was part pre-rec and part live. I need a change of brain, at 78, my memory is not what it was! David Croft is credited as producer on IMDb, so he must have directed ?Titipu?. ?Sapphire? was definitely Ned Sherrin, and he and Caryl Brahms wrote the story. The tapes were mixed by a young chap at Lansdowne, not Adrian Kerridge ? on the crescendo of the last number there was a huge spill of the orch onto the vocal mics, which if played in stereo, sounds wonderful! Good times! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner Sent: 06 April 2021 11:29 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. ?Take a Sapphire? action was in TC1 (I was tracking the creeper August 25-27th. 1965) which would probably have involved more CAR links! We didn?t finish until 23:30 on the last day which was most annoying as I was catching a coach to Norwich at the crack of dawn the next day! I think I slept for most of the 5+ hours journey! It took that long as it went via Bury St. Edmonds. Barry. On 6 Apr 2021, at 10:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Another story about jackplug cross plugging. The show was ?Take A Sapphire? directed by Ned Sherrin. Action in TC4, orchestra in TC3, under Harry Rab. After two days rehearsal and setting up, it was all ready to record at the start of the third day. The SS pulled up the feed from TC3 ? sweet FA, absolutely nothing! The shift in CAR had changed, no-one had thought to tie a label around the linking double-enders, so everything got pulled out to set the jackfield back to clear. And no-one had thought to make a list of the links, either. We relied upon memory as to what had been plugged between the two studios, and somehow got it back up before ?roll VT? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 6 08:54:13 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 14:54:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <2C2E3115-7488-48E1-B858-D0E622F65FD0@btinternet.com> References: <2C2E3115-7488-48E1-B858-D0E622F65FD0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <102D3909-7A2F-4735-9CEC-5C8AF0BF561E@me.com> Location drama was inviting virtually any extraneous sound to be picked up. I?ve had everything from jet fighters roaring past at rooftop height in a Victorian drama, through to another film shooting a civil war battle scene with canons etc near to us while we were doing a modern era night shoot. Neither production was aware of the other. However I?ve been mercifully spared too many dropped hammers. On the other hand, some locations were so quiet that they would put most studios to shame. For The Bell, a scene was shot in a cellar where one problem was not just the ticking of the crew?s wristwatches, but the echo of them ticking. The dialogue wasn?t much louder, but was still delivered and captured clearly. On The Russian Soldier, a remote farm in Dorset was similarly quiet and some of the dialogue went from barely whispered to full-on screaming in an instant. Personally I rather like these extremes of vocal range and tended to encourage actors to do it when it feels appropriate. The performance is all the more compelling when they do. I?ve looked back at some of these shows and been pleased by how quietly the dialogue can be spoken without compromising the clarity for the viewer. Using large panels of acoustic tiles on location sometimes paid dividends. They could control the worst aspects of the acoustics, while still conveying the acoustic character of the space. The biggest drawback was that the better ones were bulky and difficult to transport in my car. I sometimes used figure of eight capsules, but the appeal for me was just how dead the dead spot at the side was. For instance, if you?re doing pick up shots, the dead spot can be aimed at the OOV actor feeding in their lines and on occasions has allowed the two actors to talk over each other while still capturing a pretty clean recording of the in-vision actor. One frivolous drawback with a side firing figure of eight capsule is that people notice where the mic is pointing and assume that the boom op must be rubbish. Alan Taylor > On 6 Apr 2021, at 13:22, Roger Long wrote: > > ?Delicious notice! > Particularly like the hammer dropping! > How many times that hammer has been dropped in my recording life is beyond me. > If you listen to well restored movies from the30s and 40s you will hear the sound of ribbon microphones in large dead spaces , and very effective they were > Admittedly the voices are projecting but the sound stages were well designed and those mics had a lot of gain from the 3 ch Westrex mixer. > Why cardioid mics overtook fig 8s is a mystery to me , the suck of a fig 8 is considerable , better than D25 or STC 4033, even taking their rear field into account > > Roger From relong at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 09:45:17 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 15:45:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84CB9DE6-8792-4039-9791-2A16FB977A15@btinternet.com> That could have been Joe Meek at Lansdowne.. Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Apr 2021, at 14:21, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > There?s no VT recording of either ?Titipu? or ?Take a Sapphire? in the archive. Those audios are probably the only surviving recordings of them. > > ?Titipu? featured one of John Inman?s first TV appearances as well. > > > > > From: patheigham via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 1:17 PM > To: Barry Bonner > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > Thank you Barry, for clarifying the studio. I had a chat with Bob Foley, who was shadowing me on Grams for ?Sapphire?. > He also thought it was TC1. > Thus I was confusing ?Sapphire? with ?Titipu? (a version of The Mikado, with Harry Worth, Richard Wattis, Hattie Jacques et al). > That was the one which linked TC 3 and 4. There was a camera on Harry Rab, fed to monitors around TC4 for the artistes > to keep in time. I remember him gazing fondly at the ?Three Little Maids from School?! > I have audio tape copies of both those shows ? ?Sapphire? was all pre-recorded, I think at Lansdowne, but ?Titipu? was part pre-rec and part live. > I need a change of brain, at 78, my memory is not what it was! > David Croft is credited as producer on IMDb, so he must have directed ?Titipu?. > ?Sapphire? was definitely Ned Sherrin, and he and Caryl Brahms wrote the story. > The tapes were mixed by a young chap at Lansdowne, not Adrian Kerridge ? on the crescendo of the last number there was a huge spill > of the orch onto the vocal mics, which if played in stereo, sounds wonderful! > > Good times! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Barry Bonner > Sent: 06 April 2021 11:29 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > ?Take a Sapphire? action was in TC1 (I was tracking the creeper August 25-27th. 1965) which would probably have involved more CAR links! > We didn?t finish until 23:30 on the last day which was most annoying as I was catching a coach to Norwich at the crack of dawn the next day! > I think I slept for most of the 5+ hours journey! It took that long as it went via Bury St. Edmonds. > Barry. > > > > On 6 Apr 2021, at 10:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > Another story about jackplug cross plugging. > The show was ?Take A Sapphire? directed by Ned Sherrin. > Action in TC4, orchestra in TC3, under Harry Rab. > After two days rehearsal and setting up, it was all ready to record at the start of the third day. The SS pulled up the feed from TC3 ? sweet FA, absolutely nothing! > The shift in CAR had changed, no-one had thought to tie a label around the linking double-enders, so everything got pulled out to set the jackfield back to clear. > And no-one had thought to make a list of the links, either. > We relied upon memory as to what had been plugged between the two studios, and somehow got it back up before ?roll VT? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 6 10:08:52 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 16:08:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Microphones, (was Pye desk etc) In-Reply-To: <5918ed8689davesound@btinternet.com> References: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18@mx.google.com> <5918ed8689davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606c7983.1c69fb81.d28d1.a77f@mx.google.com> I think I have to offer, exhibit A, yer Honour: http://www.coutant.org/stc4033/ This link may be of interest, too: https://martinmitchellsmicrophones.wordpress.com/tag/stc-microphone/ This last one mentions the Reslo Ribbon ? the first mic I bought for home taping ? at the back of my cupboard, somewhere, still. I used to deal with a travelling salesman for Beyer, he had a wonderful collection of historical mics ? lived quite close to me, Byfleet, I think. I?ll have a chat about the SQN 4 ENG mixer, when I?ve unearthed the note of modifications that I asked for. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 06 April 2021 14:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In article <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18 at mx.google.com>, patheigham wrote: > I thought that the 4033 produced an almost perfect cardioid pattern, if > one looks at the maths. I doubt it. To give a perfect cardiod (and no mic does) you'd need the two mics matching perfectly at all frequencies. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 6 10:17:03 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 16:17:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <84CB9DE6-8792-4039-9791-2A16FB977A15@btinternet.com> References: <84CB9DE6-8792-4039-9791-2A16FB977A15@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <606c7b6f.1c69fb81.54238.a932@mx.google.com> I rather doubt it was Joe, but... who knows. Before Adrian got taken with a heart attack, I was communicating with him, and he racked his brains to see if he could recall who was on the desk ? I could give him a rough date, but to no avail. Just received the DVD of ?Hamlet at Elsinore? so hoping this Region 1 disc will play on a multi-region machine that I have. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger Long Sent: 06 April 2021 15:45 To: David Brunt Cc: patheigham; Barry Bonner; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. That could have been Joe Meek at Lansdowne.. Sent from my iPhone On 6 Apr 2021, at 14:21, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: ? There?s no VT recording of either ?Titipu? or ?Take a Sapphire? in the archive. Those audios are probably the only surviving recordings of them.? ?Titipu? featured one of John Inman?s first TV appearances as well. ? From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2021 1:17 PM To: Barry Bonner Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. ? Thank you Barry, for clarifying the studio. I had a chat with Bob Foley, who was shadowing me on Grams for ?Sapphire?. He also thought it was TC1. Thus I was confusing ?Sapphire? with ?Titipu? (a version of The Mikado, with Harry Worth, Richard Wattis, Hattie Jacques et al). That was the one which linked TC 3 and 4. There was a camera on Harry Rab, fed to monitors around TC4 for the artistes to keep in time. I remember him gazing fondly at the ?Three Little Maids from School?! I have audio tape copies of both those shows ? ?Sapphire? was all pre-recorded, I think at Lansdowne, but ?Titipu? was part pre-rec and part live. I need a change of brain, at 78, my memory is not what it was! David Croft is credited as producer on IMDb, so he must have directed ?Titipu?. ?Sapphire? was definitely Ned Sherrin, and he and Caryl Brahms wrote the story. The tapes were mixed by a young chap at Lansdowne, not Adrian Kerridge ? on the crescendo of the last number there was a huge spill of the orch onto the vocal mics, which if played in stereo, sounds wonderful! ? Good times! Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Barry Bonner Sent: 06 April 2021 11:29 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. ? ?Take a Sapphire? action was in TC1 (I was tracking the creeper August 25-27th. 1965) which would probably have involved more CAR links! We didn?t finish until 23:30 on the last day which was most annoying as I was catching a coach to Norwich at the crack of dawn the next day! I think I slept for most of the 5+ hours journey! It took that long as it went via Bury St. Edmonds. Barry. ? ? On 6 Apr 2021, at 10:38, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Another story about jackplug cross plugging. The show was ?Take A Sapphire? directed by Ned Sherrin. Action in TC4, orchestra in TC3, under Harry Rab. After two days rehearsal and setting up, it was all ready to record at the start of the third day. The SS pulled up the feed from TC3 ? sweet FA, absolutely nothing! The shift in CAR had changed, no-one had thought to tie a label around the linking double-enders, so everything got pulled out to set the jackfield back to clear. And no-one had thought to make a list of the links, either. We relied upon memory as to what had been plugged between the two studios, and somehow got it back up before ?roll VT? Pat ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5ED7225EB2054D4EABA957C7300F15A4.png Type: image/png Size: 136 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BB6422C193454E1A8BB8E9FB60AB5FBB.png Type: image/png Size: 139 bytes Desc: not available URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 11:22:17 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 17:22:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Microphones, (was Pye desk etc) In-Reply-To: <606c7983.1c69fb81.d28d1.a77f@mx.google.com> References: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18@mx.google.com> <5918ed8689davesound@btinternet.com> <606c7983.1c69fb81.d28d1.a77f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4CBB70A2-5D43-44B3-B729-9081987FA91B@btinternet.com> Burrell Haddens Prog Ops training manual was my bible and I still have a copy. Its a great work with some fine pics and v sensible solutions to Broadcasting. Roger > On 6 Apr 2021, at 16:08, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I think I have to offer, exhibit A, yer Honour: > http://www.coutant.org/stc4033/ > > This link may be of interest, too: > > https://martinmitchellsmicrophones.wordpress.com/tag/stc-microphone/ > > This last one mentions the Reslo Ribbon ? the first mic I bought for home taping ? at the back of my cupboard, somewhere, still. > > I used to deal with a travelling salesman for Beyer, he had a wonderful collection of historical mics ? lived quite close to me, Byfleet, I think. > I?ll have a chat about the SQN 4 ENG mixer, when I?ve unearthed the note of modifications that I asked for. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: 06 April 2021 14:11 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > In article <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18 at mx.google.com >, > patheigham > wrote: > > I thought that the 4033 produced an almost perfect cardioid pattern, if > > one looks at the maths. > > I doubt it. To give a perfect cardiod (and no mic does) you'd need the two > mics matching perfectly at all frequencies. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 6 11:37:45 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 16:37:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microphones, (was Pye desk etc) In-Reply-To: <606c7983.1c69fb81.d28d1.a77f@mx.google.com> References: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18@mx.google.com> <5918ed8689davesound@btinternet.com>, <606c7983.1c69fb81.d28d1.a77f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Was that Keith Monks by any chance? He was a big buddy of mine. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 6 Apr 2021, at 16:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: [snip] I used to deal with a travelling salesman for Beyer, he had a wonderful collection of historical mics ? lived quite close to me, Byfleet, I think. I?ll have a chat about the SQN 4 ENG mixer, when I?ve unearthed the note of modifications that I asked for. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 6 14:34:34 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 19:34:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Microphones, (was Pye desk etc) In-Reply-To: <606c7983.1c69fb81.d28d1.a77f@mx.google.com> References: <591873968ddavesound@btinternet.com> <36C33F94-CA95-4860-9FDF-A56097122F87@btinternet.com> <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18@mx.google.com> <5918ed8689davesound@btinternet.com>, <606c7983.1c69fb81.d28d1.a77f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: What modifications did you ask for and were they subsequently taken up? Tell us, then I?ll tell you mine.! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 6 Apr 2021, at 16:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: [snip] I?ll have a chat about the SQN 4 ENG mixer, when I?ve unearthed the note of modifications that I asked for. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 06 April 2021 14:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In article <606c590e.1c69fb81.2a14c.8d18 at mx.google.com>, patheigham wrote: > I thought that the 4033 produced an almost perfect cardioid pattern, if > one looks at the maths. I doubt it. To give a perfect cardiod (and no mic does) you'd need the two mics matching perfectly at all frequencies. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 16:20:01 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:20:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <177112DA426548FFBD0F0D1449F414B8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <177112DA426548FFBD0F0D1449F414B8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <88ff00e3-5c5a-4f04-20f3-cb6b07992241@btinternet.com> Thanks Dave, almost every other week was like this but not quite so spectacular! I can't quite believe the number of miles I drove or the number of flights taken! I should have kept the '5 Nation Preview' sheet where I drove over a thousand miles and had eight flights in one week! Still, I got a screen credit for it! Made my mum very proud! Cheers, Dave On 04/04/2021 22:59, David Newbitt wrote: > I can see why you kept this one Dave! Amongst other 'well travelled in > the course of duty' colleagues I wonder, if they could keep a record > of just one item from their memory banks, what they would choose? > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 10:20 PM > To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] Times past > > I have just spent several days shredding my OB time sheets and expense > forms since 1984 until I retired in 1998 plus a few freelance ones up to > 2002. It was quite emotional as it detailed my working life for all > those years and what a life it was! I retained one which I have added > one for you to see of my most memorable Christmasses ever! We were shot > at in our helicopter by the Iranians and rescued a Korean crew from > their burning freighter who took over our beds in the sick bay so that > we had to 'hot-bunk' with the RN officers to sleep! I was also allowed > to 'drive' the frigate at night past the convoy of oil tankers, cross > over in front of them and then let them overtake on the other side. The > night sky in the Gulf was amazing with shooting stars and the bright > green fluorescence from the bow wave of the tankers.? Cheers, Dave > > > > > > > From mibridge at mac.com Tue Apr 6 16:38:35 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:38:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <88ff00e3-5c5a-4f04-20f3-cb6b07992241@btinternet.com> References: <177112DA426548FFBD0F0D1449F414B8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <88ff00e3-5c5a-4f04-20f3-cb6b07992241@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <340D0BF7-E568-44C8-96EA-53EFE930FF47@mac.com> So you?re the one who?s been causing global warming, Dave! But I bet your carbon footprint is quite small now, compared to many. Mike G > On 6 Apr 2021, at 22:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Thanks Dave, almost every other week was like this but not quite so spectacular! I can't quite believe the number of miles I drove or the number of flights taken! I should have kept the '5 Nation Preview' sheet where I drove over a thousand miles and had eight flights in one week! Still, I got a screen credit for it! Made my mum very proud! Cheers, Dave > > On 04/04/2021 22:59, David Newbitt wrote: >> I can see why you kept this one Dave! Amongst other 'well travelled in the course of duty' colleagues I wonder, if they could keep a record of just one item from their memory banks, what they would choose? >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 10:20 PM >> To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard >> Subject: [Tech1] Times past >> >> I have just spent several days shredding my OB time sheets and expense >> forms since 1984 until I retired in 1998 plus a few freelance ones up to >> 2002. It was quite emotional as it detailed my working life for all >> those years and what a life it was! I retained one which I have added >> one for you to see of my most memorable Christmasses ever! We were shot >> at in our helicopter by the Iranians and rescued a Korean crew from >> their burning freighter who took over our beds in the sick bay so that >> we had to 'hot-bunk' with the RN officers to sleep! I was also allowed >> to 'drive' the frigate at night past the convoy of oil tankers, cross >> over in front of them and then let them overtake on the other side. The >> night sky in the Gulf was amazing with shooting stars and the bright >> green fluorescence from the bow wave of the tankers. Cheers, Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Apr 6 17:57:27 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2021 23:57:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <340D0BF7-E568-44C8-96EA-53EFE930FF47@mac.com> References: <177112DA426548FFBD0F0D1449F414B8@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <88ff00e3-5c5a-4f04-20f3-cb6b07992241@btinternet.com> <340D0BF7-E568-44C8-96EA-53EFE930FF47@mac.com> Message-ID: <8d6b7d28-d844-cc61-3fc3-a5037f2f8c43@btinternet.com> It is indeed, Mike, I have just filled up with petrol for only the second time this year! It used to be every other week! No, I didn't photocopy all of my time sheets because SWMBO keeps me busy with other tasks! I spend my life repairing and fixing niggling problems, like her telescopic duster wand which fell apart yesterday! Work was far more organised and relaxing in a way! Cheers, Dave On 06/04/2021 22:38, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > So you?re the one who?s been causing global warming, Dave! But I bet your carbon footprint is quite small now, compared to many. > > Mike G > > > >> On 6 Apr 2021, at 22:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Thanks Dave, almost every other week was like this but not quite so spectacular! I can't quite believe the number of miles I drove or the number of flights taken! I should have kept the '5 Nation Preview' sheet where I drove over a thousand miles and had eight flights in one week! Still, I got a screen credit for it! Made my mum very proud! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 04/04/2021 22:59, David Newbitt wrote: >>> I can see why you kept this one Dave! Amongst other 'well travelled in the course of duty' colleagues I wonder, if they could keep a record of just one item from their memory banks, what they would choose? >>> >>> Dave Newbitt. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: Sunday, April 4, 2021 10:20 PM >>> To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard >>> Subject: [Tech1] Times past >>> >>> I have just spent several days shredding my OB time sheets and expense >>> forms since 1984 until I retired in 1998 plus a few freelance ones up to >>> 2002. It was quite emotional as it detailed my working life for all >>> those years and what a life it was! I retained one which I have added >>> one for you to see of my most memorable Christmasses ever! We were shot >>> at in our helicopter by the Iranians and rescued a Korean crew from >>> their burning freighter who took over our beds in the sick bay so that >>> we had to 'hot-bunk' with the RN officers to sleep! I was also allowed >>> to 'drive' the frigate at night past the convoy of oil tankers, cross >>> over in front of them and then let them overtake on the other side. The >>> night sky in the Gulf was amazing with shooting stars and the bright >>> green fluorescence from the bow wave of the tankers. Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Apr 6 18:01:54 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 00:01:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Message-ID: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, Geoff Geoff > On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. > > Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. > > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >> Wide cardioid >> Not so much suck. >> Last year I sold both on the Bay >> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >> Roger >> Sent from my iPad >>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>>>> instead >>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >>> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. >>> -- >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Apr 6 18:37:53 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 00:37:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! Mike G > On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. > Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, > > Geoff > > > > Geoff >> On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. >> >> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. >> >> N. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >>> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >>> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >>> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >>> Wide cardioid >>> Not so much suck. >>> Last year I sold both on the Bay >>> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >>> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >>> Roger >>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> ?In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>>>>> instead >>>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >>>> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. >>>> -- >>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Apr 6 18:41:17 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 00:41:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <8d6b7d28-d844-cc61-3fc3-a5037f2f8c43@btinternet.com> References: <8d6b7d28-d844-cc61-3fc3-a5037f2f8c43@btinternet.com> Message-ID: This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. There is an awful lot of it! 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Mike G > On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:41, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. 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In-Reply-To: <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> References: <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> Message-ID: On OBs, fisher or Mole booms were almost never used but I had an embarrasing experience with a boom arm on a stand. For standard stationary interviews, I would put the microphone on a boom arm over the interviewee. Cameramen were increasingly using lighting rigs which made it difficult for a standard boom arm to reach far enough over, so I bought a couple of the K&M super big boom stands. The taller one extended to at least three metres and they each had a long telescopic boom arm extending to two metres or more, with a heavy steel counterweight too. Heavy and bulky, but solid as a rock. If I didn?t tighten the top clamp, it would freely pivot on a horizontal plane to move the mic away or towards the interviewee when they approach and sit down. Interview with Ted Heath in his home at Salisbury. Cameraman was well used to how far my boom stand would reach and took full advantage by filling the floor with every light source in his van, especially his latest toy, two enormous Chimeras ( each looking like a giant umbrella with a built in lamp illuminating a diffusing screen ) which were placed close to the subject, leaving me to put my stand in the only available space, close to the wall. It was no problem and the mic could still end up in the perfect position. Interview finished and Ted Heath started to rise abruptly from his chair. I could see that he was likely to bump into the mic, so rushed over and swung the arm out of the way. Unfortunately the other end of the boom swung towards the wall and the heavy counterweight struck an oil painting of his yacht Morning Cloud. There was an ominous silence and it looked as though he might explode, but he inspected the painting, was satisfied that no damage had been done and smiled with relief. He then joked ?in the unlikely event that you?re ever invited back to interview me in the future, I?d rather take my chances bumping my head against that foam-covered microphone than risk you walloping my precious painting with a big lump of iron?. Alan Taylor > On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:38, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. > > Mike G > From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Apr 7 03:31:38 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:31:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> Message-ID: <817414BD30C2410D878C69227FD4AAD7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good cause. Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly being arrested was not to be treated lightly. I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high speed. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! Mike G > On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training > and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating > experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole > Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the > Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound > capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to > the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the > ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had > a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that > was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end > of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who > informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to > others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially > while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? > Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on > the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. > Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with > personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective > and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same > as if it was in close-up, > > Geoff From relong at btinternet.com Wed Apr 7 04:16:01 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 10:16:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <817414BD30C2410D878C69227FD4AAD7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> <817414BD30C2410D878C69227FD4AAD7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <8917C6FC-03C4-47C8-A190-A98833BB9906@btinternet.com> Evening All On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a Mole and a 4033. George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on the forehead ? I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly we soon carried on as normal with no ramifications. My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on the boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, useful experience. By this time Jack was getting on a bit. For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and tracked him. Goodnight All ! > On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good cause. > > Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly being arrested was not to be treated lightly. > > I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high speed. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. > > The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! > > Mike G > > > >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >> >> Geoff > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Wed Apr 7 04:47:58 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 09:47:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <8917C6FC-03C4-47C8-A190-A98833BB9906@btinternet.com> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> <817414BD30C2410D878C69227FD4AAD7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, <8917C6FC-03C4-47C8-A190-A98833BB9906@btinternet.com> Message-ID: There is a legendary story that I *so* hope is true, that live on air, Jack (showbiz etiquette is for real names not character names!) was standing behind the boom waiting for his next entry, when suddenly it was: ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?, and down went the back end, ramming Jack?s helmet down over his ears. Other cast members on set had to ad-lib until someone managed to get the helmet off him, whereapon he made his entry looking a tad dazed! Dixon was the very first show I worked on, so I?m guessing Crew 2. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 7 Apr 2021, at 10:16, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Evening All > > On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. > My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a Mole and a 4033. > George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on the forehead ? > I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly we soon carried on as normal with no ramifications. > My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on the boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. > Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. > George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, useful experience. > By this time Jack was getting on a bit. > For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and tracked him. > > Goodnight All ! >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good cause. >> >> Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly being arrested was not to be treated lightly. >> >> I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high speed. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. >> >> Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. >> >> The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >>>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >>> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >>> >>> Geoff >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 05:00:24 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:00:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <42D532E4-84F8-498F-9DF8-E6454B80FB21@mac.com> <817414BD30C2410D878C69227FD4AAD7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <8917C6FC-03C4-47C8-A190-A98833BB9906@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Crew 4. Panorama or a sports prog. Presenter position at each end of the studio - probably G at Lime Grove. Repos from one to the other during a short bit of TK. Me trudging with my camera and ped down one side of the studio, Tim Healy ditto on the other side. The single boom in the middle swinging the arm with 4033 on the end. Boom op checks the back end of the arm just in time to lift it over the head of a scene hand and brings the mic smartly down on Tims head! Tim, buckling at the knees and wondering what hit him, just makes the repos in time! The rest of us helpless with laughter. Tim was OK but exacted due penance from the boom op in terms of pints of beer in the club afterwards! Geoff F On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > There is a legendary story that I *so* hope is true, that live on air, > Jack (showbiz etiquette is for real names not character names!) was > standing behind the boom waiting for his next entry, when suddenly it was: > ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?, and down went the back end, ramming > Jack?s helmet down over his ears. Other cast members on set had to ad-lib > until someone managed to get the helmet off him, whereapon he made his > entry looking a tad dazed! > Dixon was the very first show I worked on, so I?m guessing Crew 2. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 7 Apr 2021, at 10:16, Roger E Long via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?Evening All > > > > On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. > > My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a > Mole and a 4033. > > George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on > the forehead ? > > I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly we soon > carried on as normal with no ramifications. > > My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on > the boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by > viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. > > Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could > anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. > > George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, > useful experience. > > By this time Jack was getting on a bit. > > For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and > tracked him. > > > > Goodnight All ! > >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom > arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much > to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good > cause. > >> > >> Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening > shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the > 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at > the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS > would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent > and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of > something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly > being arrested was not to be treated lightly. > >> > >> I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the > Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into > the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's > position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with > all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high > speed. > >> > >> Dave Newbitt. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM > >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > >> > >> Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I > had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s > forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute > formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, > atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, > Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the > boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to > the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately > it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom > fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber > collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough > for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He > was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a > little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. > >> > >> The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar > with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but > it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was > significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences > above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from > parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking > spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy > that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the > first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it > now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to > prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a > wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial > training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom > operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole > Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the > Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, > the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the > extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & > Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal > gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a > caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the > boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us > that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch > out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator > was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t > recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end > myself, though it?s likely others were. > >>> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with > personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective > and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as > if it was in close-up, > >>> > >>> Geoff > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Apr 7 05:16:52 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 11:16:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can join the ranks of hitting artists with a 4033. In my case it was Magnus Magnusson on a schools programme in TC2. He rose from his chair two lines too early, just as I glanced at the script to check my cue to lift! Graeme Wall > On 7 Apr 2021, at 11:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Crew 4. Panorama or a sports prog. Presenter position at each end of the studio - probably G at Lime Grove. Repos from one to the other during a short bit of TK. Me trudging with my camera and ped down one side of the studio, Tim Healy ditto on the other side. The single boom in the middle swinging the arm with 4033 on the end. Boom op checks the back end of the arm just in time to lift it over the head of a scene hand and brings the mic smartly down on Tims head! Tim, buckling at the knees and wondering what hit him, just makes the repos in time! The rest of us helpless with laughter. Tim was OK but exacted due penance from the boom op in terms of pints of beer in the club afterwards! > Geoff F > >> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 10:48, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> There is a legendary story that I *so* hope is true, that live on air, Jack (showbiz etiquette is for real names not character names!) was standing behind the boom waiting for his next entry, when suddenly it was: ?lift the boom and cut to the wide?, and down went the back end, ramming Jack?s helmet down over his ears. Other cast members on set had to ad-lib until someone managed to get the helmet off him, whereapon he made his entry looking a tad dazed! >> Dixon was the very first show I worked on, so I?m guessing Crew 2. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> > On 7 Apr 2021, at 10:16, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > ?Evening All >> > >> > On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. >> > My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a Mole and a 4033. >> > George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on the forehead ? >> > I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly we soon carried on as normal with no ramifications. >> > My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on the boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. >> > Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. >> > George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, useful experience. >> > By this time Jack was getting on a bit. >> > For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and tracked him. >> > >> > Goodnight All ! >> >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good cause. >> >> >> >> Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly being arrested was not to be treated lightly. >> >> >> >> I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high speed. >> >> >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM >> >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. >> >> >> >> Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. >> >> >> >> The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! >> >> >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >> >>> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? 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URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 06:21:12 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 12:21:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps Message-ID: <00e501d72ba0$1e1b8240$5a5286c0$@gmail.com> Thanks for the stories in response to my point about 4033s and Mole boom rear ends being weighty instruments for unwanted human or precious objects contact. At this remove they can be read with amusement rather than horror, though they could've come back to haunt the unfortunate perpetrators in nightmares long after. It's good that those on the receiving end were understanding and forgiving - I'm not sure how many would be today in our more litigious age. Mole Richardson crane, Vinten and Heron dolly operators may well have stories to tell of near misses, if not actual collisions and these could be even more potentially dangerous. While tracking Frank on a Mole on the live Saturday afternoon show, Open House in R1 in the early days of BBC2, I seem to remember getting within close touching distance of the trumpet or trombone player in the band, was it John Dankworth? He said nothing but I cringed and suffered a tongue lashing, not the first, from Stewart Morris, while Frank just went red in the neck. Geoff -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 07 April 2021 10:16 To: David Newbitt Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. Evening All On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a Mole and a 4033. George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on the forehead ? I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly we soon carried on as normal with no ramifications. My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on the boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, useful experience. By this time Jack was getting on a bit. For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and tracked him. Goodnight All ! > On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good cause. > > Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly being arrested was not to be treated lightly. > > I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high speed. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. > > The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! > > Mike G > > > >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with >> personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound >> perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot >> sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >> >> Geoff > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoffletch at gmail.com Wed Apr 7 07:01:02 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:01:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps In-Reply-To: <00e501d72ba0$1e1b8240$5a5286c0$@gmail.com> References: <00e501d72ba0$1e1b8240$5a5286c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was Heron tracking on a sit com with an audience one day. We parked the kit near along the front of the bleachers. Felix did his warm up and we all stood listening until it was time to mount up. There was a pretty girl in the audience front row right by my Heron and I leaped aboard onto the tracker platform with aplomb only to ram the top of my head against the pulley wheels at the back end of a Fisher boom which had been left neatly parked above! Lots of neat parallel cuts and a bit of blood, but nothing to compare with my embarrassment! Geoff F On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:21, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks for the stories in response to my point about 4033s and Mole boom > rear ends being weighty instruments for unwanted human or precious objects > contact. At this remove they can be read with amusement rather than horror, > though they could've come back to haunt the unfortunate perpetrators in > nightmares long after. It's good that those on the receiving end were > understanding and forgiving - I'm not sure how many would be today in our > more litigious age. > > Mole Richardson crane, Vinten and Heron dolly operators may well have > stories to tell of near misses, if not actual collisions and these could be > even more potentially dangerous. While tracking Frank on a Mole on the live > Saturday afternoon show, Open House in R1 in the early days of BBC2, I seem > to remember getting within close touching distance of the trumpet or > trombone player in the band, was it John Dankworth? He said nothing but I > cringed and suffered a tongue lashing, not the first, from Stewart Morris, > while Frank just went red in the neck. > > Geoff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via > Tech1 > Sent: 07 April 2021 10:16 > To: David Newbitt > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > Evening All > > On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. > My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a Mole > and a 4033. > George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on > the forehead ? I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly > we soon carried on as normal with no ramifications. > My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on the > boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by > viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. > Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could > anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. > George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, useful > experience. > By this time Jack was getting on a bit. > For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and > tracked him. > > Goodnight All ! > > On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom > arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much > to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good > cause. > > > > Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening > shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the > 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at > the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS > would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent > and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of > something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly > being arrested was not to be treated lightly. > > > > I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the > Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into > the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's > position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with > all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high > speed. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM > > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > > > Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had > the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s > forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute > formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, > atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, > Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the > boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to > the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately > it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom > fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber > collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough > for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He > was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a > little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. > > > > The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar > with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but > it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was > significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences > above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from > parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking > spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy > that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the > first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it > now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to > prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a > wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! > > > > Mike G > > > > > > > >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial > training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom > operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole > Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the > Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, > the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the > extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & > Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal > gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a > caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the > boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us > that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch > out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator > was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t > recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end > myself, though it?s likely others were. > >> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with > >> personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound > >> perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot > >> sounding the same as if it was in close-up, > >> > >> Geoff > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 7 07:29:02 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:29:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12B714CF-DBF7-4D23-ADB1-4A48AA60E622@mac.com> I do recall being told of one SA who leapt onto his boom in front of an audience and was promptly sick from the platform in full view. I rather fancy it was the gent who was later jailed for stealing BBC equipment, but it was before my time at TVC, so I rely on others to verify! Mike G > On 7 Apr 2021, at 13:02, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I was Heron tracking on a sit com with an audience one day. We parked the kit near along the front of the bleachers. Felix did his warm up and we all stood listening until it was time to mount up. There was a pretty girl in the audience front row right by my Heron and I leaped aboard onto the tracker platform with aplomb only to ram the top of my head against the pulley wheels at the back end of a Fisher boom which had been left neatly parked above! Lots of neat parallel cuts and a bit of blood, but nothing to compare with my embarrassment! > Geoff F > >> On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:21, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> Thanks for the stories in response to my point about 4033s and Mole boom rear ends being weighty instruments for unwanted human or precious objects contact. At this remove they can be read with amusement rather than horror, though they could've come back to haunt the unfortunate perpetrators in nightmares long after. It's good that those on the receiving end were understanding and forgiving - I'm not sure how many would be today in our more litigious age. >> >> Mole Richardson crane, Vinten and Heron dolly operators may well have stories to tell of near misses, if not actual collisions and these could be even more potentially dangerous. While tracking Frank on a Mole on the live Saturday afternoon show, Open House in R1 in the early days of BBC2, I seem to remember getting within close touching distance of the trumpet or trombone player in the band, was it John Dankworth? He said nothing but I cringed and suffered a tongue lashing, not the first, from Stewart Morris, while Frank just went red in the neck. >> >> Geoff >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 >> Sent: 07 April 2021 10:16 >> To: David Newbitt >> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. >> >> Evening All >> >> On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. >> My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a Mole and a 4033. >> George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on the forehead ? I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly we soon carried on as normal with no ramifications. >> My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on the boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. >> Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. >> George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, useful experience. >> By this time Jack was getting on a bit. >> For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and tracked him. >> >> Goodnight All ! >> > On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good cause. >> > >> > Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly being arrested was not to be treated lightly. >> > >> > I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high speed. >> > >> > Dave Newbitt. >> > >> > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> > Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM >> > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. >> > >> > Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. >> > >> > The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! >> > >> > Mike G >> > >> > >> > >> >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >> >> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with >> >> personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound >> >> perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot >> >> sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >> >> >> >> Geoff >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 7 07:36:10 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:36:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps In-Reply-To: References: <00e501d72ba0$1e1b8240$5a5286c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've also been told tales of a boom operator athletically leaping up onto a fisher boom platform which was on the runway into the audience at TV Theatre. He sprung up with such gusto that he failed to come to rest on the platform, but spectacularly fell off the other side. I won't name names in case it isn't a true story. If it does happen to be a true story, somebody might like to fill in the details. Alan Taylor On 7 Apr 2021, at 7 Apr . 13:01, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > I was Heron tracking on a sit com with an audience one day. We parked the kit near along the front of the bleachers. Felix did his warm up and we all stood listening until it was time to mount up. There was a pretty girl in the audience front row right by my Heron and I leaped aboard onto the tracker platform with aplomb only to ram the top of my head against the pulley wheels at the back end of a Fisher boom which had been left neatly parked above! Lots of neat parallel cuts and a bit of blood, but nothing to compare with my embarrassment! > Geoff F > > On Wed, 7 Apr 2021 at 12:21, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > Thanks for the stories in response to my point about 4033s and Mole boom rear ends being weighty instruments for unwanted human or precious objects contact. At this remove they can be read with amusement rather than horror, though they could've come back to haunt the unfortunate perpetrators in nightmares long after. It's good that those on the receiving end were understanding and forgiving - I'm not sure how many would be today in our more litigious age. > > Mole Richardson crane, Vinten and Heron dolly operators may well have stories to tell of near misses, if not actual collisions and these could be even more potentially dangerous. While tracking Frank on a Mole on the live Saturday afternoon show, Open House in R1 in the early days of BBC2, I seem to remember getting within close touching distance of the trumpet or trombone player in the band, was it John Dankworth? He said nothing but I cringed and suffered a tongue lashing, not the first, from Stewart Morris, while Frank just went red in the neck. > > Geoff > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 > Sent: 07 April 2021 10:16 > To: David Newbitt > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > Evening All > > On my transition from radio to TV I was attached to LGS. > My first operation involved Dixon of Dock Green and I was operating a Mole and a 4033. > George, was seated at a desk, but unexpectedly rose and I clonked him on the forehead ? I was petrified, Jack Warner was un perturbed, and amazingly we soon carried on as normal with no ramifications. > My attachment was 3 months and I did a few live 30 minute Theatres on the boom, I enjoyed these immensely , my sense of anticipation increased by viewing the artist for any signs of unrehearsed activity. > Later on back in Film Unit and booming with an early Panamic I could anticipate lines by the slight twitch some actors made before delivery. > George Dixon had taught me to study actors closely when delivering, useful experience. > By this time Jack was getting on a bit. > For long walking shots down Dock Green we put him on a Austin Dolly and tracked him. > > Goodnight All ! > > On 7 Apr 2021, at 09:31, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Mike's description of the niceties of fitting the 4033 in the Mole boom arm cradle is of course accurately remembered. The judgement about how much to tighten the collar was something we all engaged with, often with good cause. > > > > Not uncommonly, particularly with LE and especially in TVT, the opening shot would be ultra wide with a rapid track-in/zoom-in to BCU for the 'hello and welcome' chat. So the boom would of course start skied and at the appropriate moment hurtle down to just above injury level while the SS would delay fading up until the rumble had passed. Such a violent descent and equally abrupt stop clearly had lethal potential as the momentum of something as heavy as a 4033 travelling down at high speed and suddenly being arrested was not to be treated lightly. > > > > I well remember booming these situations where, in the case of TVT, the Mole crane right back on the apron below the front circle would hurtle into the stage to finish tight on the subject. Putting yourself in the artist's position it must have taken trust/courage/blind faith to not flinch with all this ironmongery from in front and above closing in on you at high speed. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > > Sent: Wednesday, April 7, 2021 12:37 AM > > To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. > > > > Geoff reminds me - and stop me if I?ve told this tale before - but I had the unfortunate honour of imprinting a row of lines on Arthur Negus?s forehead with a 4033. Going For A Song from Bristol followed an absolute formula, with Max Robertson and the panel on a fairly high curved platform, atop a set of curved steps. For his party piece on an item of furniture, Arthur would lead us into the item whilst seated, in a mid-shot, so the boom needed to be reasonably tight on him, then he would stand on a cut to the wide angle, continuing to speak as he went down the steps. Fortunately it was on rehearsal, but on one infamous occasion, as I lifted the boom fairly sharpish for the wide shot, the 4033 slipped from its bungee rubber collar and dropped to the extent of the cable, which was just long enough for the bottom of the mic to catch Arthur fair and square on the bonts! He was awfully nice about it and there was no blood, but make-up had to pay a little attention to the imprint before transmission, which was always live. > > > > The mic was clamped into the boom cradle by tightening a metal collar with wing nuts, with the bungee rubber providing mechanical insulation, but it was a compromise between tightening too much, in which case there was significant rumble when racking, or being too loose with the consequences above. The thistle connector was pretty good at preventing the mic from parting from its cable - I?m pretty sure there was a pin on the locking spring collar which mated with a hole in the stalk of the mic. I also fancy that I recall the need to leave a fair bit of cable between the mic and the first cable clip, otherwise that conducted rumble too. Thinking about it now, I can?t imagine why we didn?t have a couple of nylon restraints to prevent the mic from dropping as far if it did come loose. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, even if it is fifty odd years too late! > > > > Mike G > > > > > > > >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > >> > >> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. > >> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with > >> personal mics? 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 7 07:57:50 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 13:57:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps In-Reply-To: <12B714CF-DBF7-4D23-ADB1-4A48AA60E622@mac.com> References: <12B714CF-DBF7-4D23-ADB1-4A48AA60E622@mac.com> Message-ID: My latest message about antics by a boom op in front of an audience has returned to me with the opening words in the summary, but no text at all in the body of the e-mail - this follows on from Dave M?s message last evening which had the opening words in the summary, but yards of gobbledygook in the body. Anyone else experiencing this sort of thing? Mike G > On 7 Apr 2021, at 13:30, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Apr 7 08:16:03 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2021 14:16:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <591972637fdavesound@btinternet.com> Experienced presenters can often be seen checking the boom op is awake before rising. ;-) And sometimes do a wiggle on the chair to give both the boom op and cameraman some warning. In article , Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I can join the ranks of hitting artists with a 4033. In my case it was > Magnus Magnusson on a schools programme in TC2. He rose from his chair > two lines too early, just as I glanced at the script to check my cue to > lift! -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 7 12:51:38 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 18:51:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics Message-ID: <15CAE6D7-5583-40DF-84D9-DA4830B243A5@me.com> My apologies to those who are bored to death with the topic, but I did make some good progress with regards to finding out about the first BBC radio mics. I previously showed a picture of what I was told was a very early BBC radio mic from 1955. There were some totally understandable doubts about whether it could be what is purported to be and I was somewhat doubtful myself, but it now looks to be 100% genuine. I mentioned that the Science Museum has a slighter later one. There is a high resolution picture of it on their web site. Their description states that the Tx is about the same size as a packet of twenty cigarettes. Their radio mic is largely hidden in it's wooden case, but looks to be exactly the same thing. Some doubts were expressed about it's diminutive size and whether transistorised gear was even likely to be around in 1955. I zoomed in on their picture and have included a picture with an inset showing a close up of the blue battery which is on the left of the case. You can see that the battery has a four pin socket labelled LT 1.5V +/- and HT 90V +/- The Tx in my picture shows a twisted wire cable with a plug which matches that battery. Therefore we can be certain that both items are the same type of radio mic from 1955 and that it used miniature valves. The performer would have needed to wear the small transmitter, together with a rather large separate battery. John Eden-Eadon claims that he was the first sound mixer to use a radio mic on a TV show. He told me how Glyn Aitkin borrowed one from Designs Dept in the late 50s / early 60s and it was used on a female vocalist, but failed dismally, requiring the boom to be rapidly dropped into a massive wide shot, much to the horror of the director. John initially threw me by suggesting a date which was rather later than it really was, but he provided enough other information to allow me to precisely nail it down to a show which went out on 16th Jan 1956. It was the only show in the entire BBC Genome with the programme title and artist he quoted. It also ties in very well with the radio mic development timeline too. After all, where else in the BBC would the first radio mics be tried out other than in TV studios? The Manchester Dickenson Road Studios were the first TV studios to open outside of London and that wasn't until April 1956. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 07 April 2021 18:52 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Radio Mics John Eden-Eadon claims that he was the first sound mixer to use a radio mic on a TV show. ?He told me how Glyn Aitkin borrowed one from Designs Dept in the late 50s / early 60s and it was used on a female vocalist, but failed dismally, requiring the boom to be rapidly dropped into a massive wide shot, much to the horror of the director. John initially threw me by suggesting a date which was rather later than it really was, but he provided enough other information to allow me to precisely nail it down to a show which went out on 16th Jan 1956. It was the only show in the entire BBC Genome with the programme title and artist he quoted. It also ties in very well with the radio mic development timeline too. After all, where else in the BBC would the first radio mics be tried out other than in TV studios? The Manchester Dickenson Road Studios were the first TV studios to open outside of London and that wasn't until April 1956. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Apr 7 15:52:04 2021 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 21:52:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2e1601a1-fc7c-37b9-8faa-ee6b0e0b0672@howell61.f9.co.uk> Hello Geoff, The 4033 looked even more impressive on its maker's Art Deco table stand, see attached photo. If it was a hat you might say it was "at a jaunty angle" I have a theory about? the choice of the 4033. In the 1950s it became clear that television was here to stay and a microphone was needed that was a cardioid to reduce off-stage noise, as small & light as possible yet rugged enough to withstand a degree of rough handlzng. Now in our training 'ration book' which listed the equipment with which we should be familiar there was an RCA microphone type No. BK5A. I couldn't find anything about this, no-one had seen one let alone used one. Now, 60 years later I got hold of one and the spec. is very similar to the 4033. I think these were the main contenders for a boom mic for coming years. I suggest that the ST&C won the contract because the 4033 was made in Britain! Hibou. On 07/04/2021 00:01, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. > Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, > > Geoff > > > > Geoff >> On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. >> >> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. >> >> N. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >>> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >>> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >>> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >>> Wide cardioid >>> Not so much suck. >>> Last year I sold both on the Bay >>> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >>> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >>> Roger >>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> ?In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>>>>> instead >>>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >>>> using two mics matrixed together. 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In the 1950s it became clear that television was here to stay and a microphone was needed that was a cardioid to reduce off-stage noise, as small & light as possible yet rugged enough to withstand a degree of rough handlzng. Now in our training 'ration book' which listed the equipment with which we should be familiar there was an RCA microphone type No. BK5A. I couldn't find anything about this, no-one had seen one let alone used one. Now, 60 years later I got hold of one and the spec. is very similar to the 4033. I think these were the main contenders for a boom mic for coming years. I suggest that the ST&C won the contract because the 4033 was made in Britain! > > Hibou. > > > > > > On 07/04/2021 00:01, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >> >> Geoff >> >> >> >> Geoff >>> On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. >>> >>> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. >>> >>> N. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >>>> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >>>> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >>>> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >>>> Wide cardioid >>>> Not so much suck. >>>> Last year I sold both on the Bay >>>> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >>>> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >>>> Roger >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> ?In article <606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com> , >>>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>>>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>>>>>> instead >>>>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >>>>> using two mics matrixed together. 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Apr 7 18:08:27 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 00:08:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295@mac.com> I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not otherwise have attempted. I imagine that we two are not alone in this! I could go on, but it?s late - I?ll bore everyone some other time. Mike G > On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:41, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. There is an awful lot of it! > > Mike G > >> On 6 Apr 2021, at 23:58, dave.mdv wrote: >> >> ?SXQgaXMgaW5kZWVkLCBNaWtlLCBJIGhhdmUganVzdCBmaWxsZWQgdXAgd2l0aCBwZXRyb2wgZm9y >> IG9ubHkgdGhlIApzZWNvbmQgdGltZSB0aGlzIHllYXIhIEl0IHVzZWQgdG8gYmUgZXZlcnkgb3Ro >> ZXIgd2VlayEgTm8sIEkgZGlkbid0IApwaG90b2NvcHkgYWxsIG9mIG15IHRpbWUgc2hlZXRzIGJl >> Y2F1c2UgU1dNQk8ga2VlcHMgbWUgYnVzeSB3aXRoIG90aGVyIAp0YXNrcyEgSSBzcGVuZCBteSBs >> aWZlIHJlcGFpcmluZyBhbmQgZml4aW5nIG5pZ2dsaW5nIHByb2JsZW1zLCBsaWtlIGhlciAKdGVs >> ZXNjb3BpYyBkdXN0ZXIgd2FuZCB3aGljaCBmZWxsIGFwYXJ0IHllc3RlcmRheSEgV29yayB3YXMg >> ZmFyIG1vcmUgCm9yZ2FuaXNlZCBhbmQgcmVsYXhpbmcgaW4gYSB3YXkhIENoZWVycywgRGF2ZQoK >> T24gMDYvMDQvMjAyMSAyMjozOCwgTWlrZSBHaWxlcyB2aWEgVGVjaDEgd3JvdGU6Cj4gU28geW91 >> 4oCZcmUgdGhlIG9uZSB3aG/igJlzIGJlZW4gY2F1c2luZyBnbG9iYWwgd2FybWluZywgRGF2ZSEg >> QnV0IEkgYmV0IHlvdXIgY2FyYm9uIGZvb3RwcmludCBpcyBxdWl0ZSBzbWFsbCBub3csIGNvbXBh >> cmVkIHRvIG1hbnkuCj4KPiBNaWtlIEcKPgo+Cj4KPj4gT24gNiBBcHIgMjAyMSwgYXQgMjI6MjAs >> IGRhdmUubWR2IHZpYSBUZWNoMSA8dGVjaDFAdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWs+IHdyb3RlOgo+Pgo+PiBU >> aGFua3MgRGF2ZSwgYWxtb3N0IGV2ZXJ5IG90aGVyIHdlZWsgd2FzIGxpa2UgdGhpcyBidXQgbm90 >> IHF1aXRlIHNvIHNwZWN0YWN1bGFyISBJIGNhbid0IHF1aXRlIGJlbGlldmUgdGhlIG51bWJlciBv >> ZiBtaWxlcyBJIGRyb3ZlIG9yIHRoZSBudW1iZXIgb2YgZmxpZ2h0cyB0YWtlbiEgSSBzaG91bGQg >> aGF2ZSBrZXB0IHRoZSAnNSBOYXRpb24gUHJldmlldycgc2hlZXQgd2hlcmUgSSBkcm92ZSBvdmVy >> IGEgdGhvdXNhbmQgbWlsZXMgYW5kIGhhZCBlaWdodCBmbGlnaHRzIGluIG9uZSB3ZWVrISBTdGls >> bCwgSSBnb3QgYSBzY3JlZW4gY3JlZGl0IGZvciBpdCEgTWFkZSBteSBtdW0gdmVyeSBwcm91ZCEg >> Q2hlZXJzLCBEYXZlCj4+Cj4+IE9uIDA0LzA0LzIwMjEgMjI6NTksIERhdmlkIE5ld2JpdHQgd3Jv >> dGU6Cj4+PiBJIGNhbiBzZWUgd2h5IHlvdSBrZXB0IHRoaXMgb25lIERhdmUhIEFtb25nc3Qgb3Ro >> ZXIgJ3dlbGwgdHJhdmVsbGVkIGluIHRoZSBjb3Vyc2Ugb2YgZHV0eScgY29sbGVhZ3VlcyBJIHdv >> bmRlciwgaWYgdGhleSBjb3VsZCBrZWVwIGEgcmVjb3JkIG9mIGp1c3Qgb25lIGl0ZW0gZnJvbSB0 >> aGVpciBtZW1vcnkgYmFua3MsIHdoYXQgdGhleSB3b3VsZCBjaG9vc2U/Cj4+Pgo+Pj4gRGF2ZSBO >> ZXdiaXR0Lgo+Pj4KPj4+IC0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tIEZyb206IGRhdmUubWR2 >> IHZpYSBUZWNoMQo+Pj4gU2VudDogU3VuZGF5LCBBcHJpbCA0LCAyMDIxIDEwOjIwIFBNCj4+PiBU >> bzogdGVjaDEgOyBQaGlsIDsgUGV0ZSA7IERhdmUgOyBEYXZlIDsgUmljaGFyZAo+Pj4gU3ViamVj >> dDogW1RlY2gxXSBUaW1lcyBwYXN0Cj4+Pgo+Pj4gSSBoYXZlIGp1c3Qgc3BlbnQgc2V2ZXJhbCBk >> YXlzIHNocmVkZGluZyBteSBPQiB0aW1lIHNoZWV0cyBhbmQgZXhwZW5zZQo+Pj4gZm9ybXMgc2lu >> Y2UgMTk4NCB1bnRpbCBJIHJldGlyZWQgaW4gMTk5OCBwbHVzIGEgZmV3IGZyZWVsYW5jZSBvbmVz >> IHVwIHRvCj4+PiAyMDAyLiBJdCB3YXMgcXVpdGUgZW1vdGlvbmFsIGFzIGl0IGRldGFpbGVkIG15 >> IHdvcmtpbmcgbGlmZSBmb3IgYWxsCj4+PiB0aG9zZSB5ZWFycyBhbmQgd2hhdCBhIGxpZmUgaXQg >> d2FzISBJIHJldGFpbmVkIG9uZSB3aGljaCBJIGhhdmUgYWRkZWQKPj4+IG9uZSBmb3IgeW91IHRv >> IHNlZSBvZiBteSBtb3N0IG1lbW9yYWJsZSBDaHJpc3RtYXNzZXMgZXZlciEgV2Ugd2VyZSBzaG90 >> Cj4+PiBhdCBpbiBvdXIgaGVsaWNvcHRlciBieSB0aGUgSXJhbmlhbnMgYW5kIHJlc2N1ZWQgYSBL >> b3JlYW4gY3JldyBmcm9tCj4+PiB0aGVpciBidXJuaW5nIGZyZWlnaHRlciB3aG8gdG9vayBvdmVy >> IG91ciBiZWRzIGluIHRoZSBzaWNrIGJheSBzbyB0aGF0Cj4+PiB3ZSBoYWQgdG8gJ2hvdC1idW5r >> JyB3aXRoIHRoZSBSTiBvZmZpY2VycyB0byBzbGVlcCEgSSB3YXMgYWxzbyBhbGxvd2VkCj4+PiB0 >> byAnZHJpdmUnIHRoZSBmcmlnYXRlIGF0IG5pZ2h0IHBhc3QgdGhlIGNvbnZveSBvZiBvaWwgdGFu >> a2VycywgY3Jvc3MKPj4+IG92ZXIgaW4gZnJvbnQgb2YgdGhlbSBhbmQgdGhlbiBsZXQgdGhlbSBv >> dmVydGFrZSBvbiB0aGUgb3RoZXIgc2lkZS4gVGhlCj4+PiBuaWdodCBza3kgaW4gdGhlIEd1bGYg >> d2FzIGFtYXppbmcgd2l0aCBzaG9vdGluZyBzdGFycyBhbmQgdGhlIGJyaWdodAo+Pj4gZ3JlZW4g >> Zmx1b3Jlc2NlbmNlIGZyb20gdGhlIGJvdyB3YXZlIG9mIHRoZSB0YW5rZXJzLiAgQ2hlZXJzLCBE >> YXZlCj4+Pgo+Pj4KPj4+Cj4+Pgo+Pj4KPj4+Cj4+Pgo+PiAtLSAKPj4gVGVjaDEgbWFpbGluZyBs >> aXN0Cj4+IFRlY2gxQHRlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrCj4+IGh0dHA6Ly90ZWNoLW9wcy5jby51ay9tYWls >> bWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL3RlY2gxX3RlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrCj4KCi0tIApUZWNoMSBtYWlsaW5nIGxp >> c3QKVGVjaDFAdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWsKaHR0cDovL3RlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrL21haWxtYW4vbGlz >> dGluZm8vdGVjaDFfdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWsK From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Apr 8 02:43:18 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 08:43:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295@mac.com> References: <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295@mac.com> Message-ID: <981F565A8D4F4963BB1ABE86D7D20F40@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Something very like this occurs from time to time with emails from Amazon acknowledging an order. As with your situation Mike it defies understanding and seems entirely random. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:08 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Times past I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not otherwise have attempted. I imagine that we two are not alone in this! I could go on, but it?s late - I?ll bore everyone some other time. Mike G > On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:41, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is > unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. There is an awful lot > of it! > > Mike G > >> On 6 Apr 2021, at 23:58, dave.mdv wrote: >> >> ?SXQgaXMgaW5kZWVkLCBNaWtlLCBJIGhhdmUganVzdCBmaWxsZWQgdXAgd2l0aCBwZXRyb2wgZm9y >> IG9ubHkgdGhlIApzZWNvbmQgdGltZSB0aGlzIHllYXIhIEl0IHVzZWQgdG8gYmUgZXZlcnkgb3Ro >> ZXIgd2VlayEgTm8sIEkgZGlkbid0IApwaG90b2NvcHkgYWxsIG9mIG15IHRpbWUgc2hlZXRzIGJl >> Y2F1c2UgU1dNQk8ga2VlcHMgbWUgYnVzeSB3aXRoIG90aGVyIAp0YXNrcyEgSSBzcGVuZCBteSBs >> aWZlIHJlcGFpcmluZyBhbmQgZml4aW5nIG5pZ2dsaW5nIHByb2JsZW1zLCBsaWtlIGhlciAKdGVs >> ZXNjb3BpYyBkdXN0ZXIgd2FuZCB3aGljaCBmZWxsIGFwYXJ0IHllc3RlcmRheSEgV29yayB3YXMg >> ZmFyIG1vcmUgCm9yZ2FuaXNlZCBhbmQgcmVsYXhpbmcgaW4gYSB3YXkhIENoZWVycywgRGF2ZQoK >> T24gMDYvMDQvMjAyMSAyMjozOCwgTWlrZSBHaWxlcyB2aWEgVGVjaDEgd3JvdGU6Cj4gU28geW91 >> 4oCZcmUgdGhlIG9uZSB3aG/igJlzIGJlZW4gY2F1c2luZyBnbG9iYWwgd2FybWluZywgRGF2ZSEg >> QnV0IEkgYmV0IHlvdXIgY2FyYm9uIGZvb3RwcmludCBpcyBxdWl0ZSBzbWFsbCBub3csIGNvbXBh >> cmVkIHRvIG1hbnkuCj4KPiBNaWtlIEcKPgo+Cj4KPj4gT24gNiBBcHIgMjAyMSwgYXQgMjI6MjAs >> IGRhdmUubWR2IHZpYSBUZWNoMSA8dGVjaDFAdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWs+IHdyb3RlOgo+Pgo+PiBU >> aGFua3MgRGF2ZSwgYWxtb3N0IGV2ZXJ5IG90aGVyIHdlZWsgd2FzIGxpa2UgdGhpcyBidXQgbm90 >> IHF1aXRlIHNvIHNwZWN0YWN1bGFyISBJIGNhbid0IHF1aXRlIGJlbGlldmUgdGhlIG51bWJlciBv >> ZiBtaWxlcyBJIGRyb3ZlIG9yIHRoZSBudW1iZXIgb2YgZmxpZ2h0cyB0YWtlbiEgSSBzaG91bGQg >> aGF2ZSBrZXB0IHRoZSAnNSBOYXRpb24gUHJldmlldycgc2hlZXQgd2hlcmUgSSBkcm92ZSBvdmVy >> IGEgdGhvdXNhbmQgbWlsZXMgYW5kIGhhZCBlaWdodCBmbGlnaHRzIGluIG9uZSB3ZWVrISBTdGls >> bCwgSSBnb3QgYSBzY3JlZW4gY3JlZGl0IGZvciBpdCEgTWFkZSBteSBtdW0gdmVyeSBwcm91ZCEg >> Q2hlZXJzLCBEYXZlCj4+Cj4+IE9uIDA0LzA0LzIwMjEgMjI6NTksIERhdmlkIE5ld2JpdHQgd3Jv >> dGU6Cj4+PiBJIGNhbiBzZWUgd2h5IHlvdSBrZXB0IHRoaXMgb25lIERhdmUhIEFtb25nc3Qgb3Ro >> ZXIgJ3dlbGwgdHJhdmVsbGVkIGluIHRoZSBjb3Vyc2Ugb2YgZHV0eScgY29sbGVhZ3VlcyBJIHdv >> bmRlciwgaWYgdGhleSBjb3VsZCBrZWVwIGEgcmVjb3JkIG9mIGp1c3Qgb25lIGl0ZW0gZnJvbSB0 >> aGVpciBtZW1vcnkgYmFua3MsIHdoYXQgdGhleSB3b3VsZCBjaG9vc2U/Cj4+Pgo+Pj4gRGF2ZSBO >> ZXdiaXR0Lgo+Pj4KPj4+IC0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tIEZyb206IGRhdmUubWR2 >> IHZpYSBUZWNoMQo+Pj4gU2VudDogU3VuZGF5LCBBcHJpbCA0LCAyMDIxIDEwOjIwIFBNCj4+PiBU >> bzogdGVjaDEgOyBQaGlsIDsgUGV0ZSA7IERhdmUgOyBEYXZlIDsgUmljaGFyZAo+Pj4gU3ViamVj >> dDogW1RlY2gxXSBUaW1lcyBwYXN0Cj4+Pgo+Pj4gSSBoYXZlIGp1c3Qgc3BlbnQgc2V2ZXJhbCBk >> YXlzIHNocmVkZGluZyBteSBPQiB0aW1lIHNoZWV0cyBhbmQgZXhwZW5zZQo+Pj4gZm9ybXMgc2lu >> Y2UgMTk4NCB1bnRpbCBJIHJldGlyZWQgaW4gMTk5OCBwbHVzIGEgZmV3IGZyZWVsYW5jZSBvbmVz >> IHVwIHRvCj4+PiAyMDAyLiBJdCB3YXMgcXVpdGUgZW1vdGlvbmFsIGFzIGl0IGRldGFpbGVkIG15 >> IHdvcmtpbmcgbGlmZSBmb3IgYWxsCj4+PiB0aG9zZSB5ZWFycyBhbmQgd2hhdCBhIGxpZmUgaXQg >> d2FzISBJIHJldGFpbmVkIG9uZSB3aGljaCBJIGhhdmUgYWRkZWQKPj4+IG9uZSBmb3IgeW91IHRv >> IHNlZSBvZiBteSBtb3N0IG1lbW9yYWJsZSBDaHJpc3RtYXNzZXMgZXZlciEgV2Ugd2VyZSBzaG90 >> Cj4+PiBhdCBpbiBvdXIgaGVsaWNvcHRlciBieSB0aGUgSXJhbmlhbnMgYW5kIHJlc2N1ZWQgYSBL >> b3JlYW4gY3JldyBmcm9tCj4+PiB0aGVpciBidXJuaW5nIGZyZWlnaHRlciB3aG8gdG9vayBvdmVy >> IG91ciBiZWRzIGluIHRoZSBzaWNrIGJheSBzbyB0aGF0Cj4+PiB3ZSBoYWQgdG8gJ2hvdC1idW5r >> JyB3aXRoIHRoZSBSTiBvZmZpY2VycyB0byBzbGVlcCEgSSB3YXMgYWxzbyBhbGxvd2VkCj4+PiB0 >> byAnZHJpdmUnIHRoZSBmcmlnYXRlIGF0IG5pZ2h0IHBhc3QgdGhlIGNvbnZveSBvZiBvaWwgdGFu >> a2VycywgY3Jvc3MKPj4+IG92ZXIgaW4gZnJvbnQgb2YgdGhlbSBhbmQgdGhlbiBsZXQgdGhlbSBv >> dmVydGFrZSBvbiB0aGUgb3RoZXIgc2lkZS4gVGhlCj4+PiBuaWdodCBza3kgaW4gdGhlIEd1bGYg >> d2FzIGFtYXppbmcgd2l0aCBzaG9vdGluZyBzdGFycyBhbmQgdGhlIGJyaWdodAo+Pj4gZ3JlZW4g >> Zmx1b3Jlc2NlbmNlIGZyb20gdGhlIGJvdyB3YXZlIG9mIHRoZSB0YW5rZXJzLiAgQ2hlZXJzLCBE >> YXZlCj4+Pgo+Pj4KPj4+Cj4+Pgo+Pj4KPj4+Cj4+Pgo+PiAtLSAKPj4gVGVjaDEgbWFpbGluZyBs >> aXN0Cj4+IFRlY2gxQHRlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrCj4+IGh0dHA6Ly90ZWNoLW9wcy5jby51ay9tYWls >> bWFuL2xpc3RpbmZvL3RlY2gxX3RlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrCj4KCi0tIApUZWNoMSBtYWlsaW5nIGxp >> c3QKVGVjaDFAdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWsKaHR0cDovL3RlY2gtb3BzLmNvLnVrL21haWxtYW4vbGlz >> dGluZm8vdGVjaDFfdGVjaC1vcHMuY28udWsK -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Apr 8 02:57:04 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 08:57:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <981F565A8D4F4963BB1ABE86D7D20F40@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <981F565A8D4F4963BB1ABE86D7D20F40@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <81FFF69E-CED8-4C6D-97F8-57AB7FD9D944@me.com> I occasionally experience the same problem described by Mike. Those emails might be better typed into an Enigma machine to make sense of them. However while I?ve only had such emails from this group, if a message like that shows up on my iPad, it?s still usually OK on my iPhone. I?ve no idea what causes it or where the problem might be. Alan Taylor > On 8 Apr 2021, at 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Something very like this occurs from time to time with emails from Amazon acknowledging an order. As with your situation Mike it defies understanding and seems entirely random. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:08 AM > To: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Times past > > I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not otherwise have attempted. I imagine that we two are not alone in this! I could go on, but it?s late - I?ll bore everyone some other time. > > Mike G > >> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:41, Mike Giles wrote: >> >> ?This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. 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I worked with him occasionally on Drama and shared lifts with him to the Centre when we both lived in Twyford but know little about him personally.?I've been asked to put together a biography of Chas Davison the former SA1 who is dangerously ill in a Birmingham hospital. If anyone can help can you please drop me an email at phider at gmx.com.Thanks for your helpPeter Hider?Sent from my Galaxy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Apr 8 04:10:10 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 10:10:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] email gibberish In-Reply-To: <981F565A8D4F4963BB1ABE86D7D20F40@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295@mac.com> <981F565A8D4F4963BB1ABE86D7D20F40@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <779fe8c2-4979-7b7f-b840-47d3f57f7ea7@gmail.com> That gibberish looks a lot like an image or video file which hasn't been decoded.? This tends to be because of a MIME type error, and iThings have a tendency to not make the correct associations. I'm sure it can be fixed. B On 08/04/2021 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Something very like this occurs from time to time with emails from > Amazon acknowledging an order. As with your situation Mike it defies > understanding and seems entirely random. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:08 AM > To: Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Times past > > I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, > notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to > fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, > so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in > accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who > shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not > otherwise have attempted. 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URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Apr 8 04:27:26 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 10:27:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] email gibberish In-Reply-To: <779fe8c2-4979-7b7f-b840-47d3f57f7ea7@gmail.com> References: <779fe8c2-4979-7b7f-b840-47d3f57f7ea7@gmail.com> Message-ID: That was my first thought too, but when I checked with a properly displayed version of the email, there was no image file in it. I haven?t got a clue what might trigger it. Alan Taylor > On 8 Apr 2021, at 10:10, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? That gibberish looks a lot like an image or video file which hasn't been decoded. This tends to be because of a MIME type error, and iThings have a tendency to not make the correct associations. I'm sure it can be fixed. > > B > > > > On 08/04/2021 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Something very like this occurs from time to time with emails from Amazon acknowledging an order. As with your situation Mike it defies understanding and seems entirely random. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:08 AM >> To: Tech Ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Times past >> >> I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not otherwise have attempted. I imagine that we two are not alone in this! I could go on, but it?s late - I?ll bore everyone some other time. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:41, Mike Giles wrote: >>> >>> ?This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Apr 8 05:26:11 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 11:26:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Times past In-Reply-To: <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295@mac.com> References: <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295@mac.com> Message-ID: <5919e6aba3davesound@btinternet.com> I use a truly ancient email prog. Mainly because it allows easy archiving, and isn't susceptible to any virus etc being on an OS no-one would bother writing one for. It uses basically plain ACSI text. Anything not being that arrives as an attachment - or indeed several. It will convert the common HTML to plain text if I tell it to, though. What you have there is a data file of some sort that has got imbedded in the text. Far too many email progs bend the rules for a reason I don't understand. So no surprise a different email prog makes nonsense of them. In article <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295 at mac.com>, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not otherwise have attempted. I imagine that we two are not alone in this! I could go on, but it?s late - I?ll bore everyone some other time. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Apr 8 06:00:25 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:00:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] email gibberish In-Reply-To: <779fe8c2-4979-7b7f-b840-47d3f57f7ea7@gmail.com> References: <75A0050E-E981-4143-B9CE-FB422CDFD295@mac.com><981F565A8D4F4963BB1ABE86D7D20F40@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <779fe8c2-4979-7b7f-b840-47d3f57f7ea7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94717E57651D4163A5DAE494CC5973D2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Well done Bernie ? reassuring that someone has a grasp of these things! As to iThings being prone to the problem I have no experience of them but the Amazon emails I mentioned misbehaved on my PC/ Windows 10/ Live Mail. Dave Newbitt From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 10:10 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] email gibberish That gibberish looks a lot like an image or video file which hasn't been decoded. This tends to be because of a MIME type error, and iThings have a tendency to not make the correct associations. I'm sure it can be fixed. B On 08/04/2021 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Something very like this occurs from time to time with emails from Amazon acknowledging an order. As with your situation Mike it defies understanding and seems entirely random. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:08 AM To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Times past I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not otherwise have attempted. I imagine that we two are not alone in this! I could go on, but it?s late - I?ll bore everyone some other time. Mike G On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:41, Mike Giles mailto:mibridge at mac.com wrote: ?This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. There is an awful lot of it! 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URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Apr 8 06:55:36 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 12:55:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <2e1601a1-fc7c-37b9-8faa-ee6b0e0b0672@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <2e1601a1-fc7c-37b9-8faa-ee6b0e0b0672@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> The BK5A isn't really similar to the 4033 at all. It is an end-fire single capsule cardioid, using a ribbon capsule with an acoustic labyrinth at the back to give the unidirectional response. The 4033 was a (legal) knock-off of the Altec (Western Electric) 639 which dates from 1938. It is probably correct that STC was chosen for the BBC as a British badge. In the 1930s the advantages of a unidirectional mic were being widely considered. RCA came up with a method rather like the BK5A - a delay labyrinth behind a (bi-directional) ribbon. Shure did much the same with the Unidyne in 1937. The classical theory of combining an omni and fig-8 to create a cardioid was perfectly correct, but meant that Altec's mic had to be side-address. The US were very slow with the idea of capacitor mics - Germany beat them by decades - and that meant massive magnets for dynamic transducers in order to get any decent output. With further apologies for boring those with no interest in audio history... Chris Woolf On 07/04/2021 21:52, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > > Hello Geoff, > > The 4033 looked even more impressive on its maker's Art Deco table > stand, see attached photo. If it was a hat you might say it was "at a > jaunty angle" I have a theory about? the choice of the 4033. In the > 1950s it became clear that television was here to stay and a > microphone was needed that was a cardioid to reduce off-stage noise, > as small & light as possible yet rugged enough to withstand a degree > of rough handlzng. Now in our training 'ration book' which listed the > equipment with which we should be familiar there was an RCA microphone > type No. BK5A. I couldn't find anything about this, no-one had seen > one let alone used one. Now, 60 years later I got hold of one and the > spec. is very similar to the 4033. I think these were the main > contenders for a boom mic for coming years. I suggest that the ST&C > won the contract because the 4033 was made in Britain! > > Hibou. > > > > On 07/04/2021 00:01, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >> >> Geoff >> >> >> >> Geoff >>> On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. >>> >>> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. >>> >>> N. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >>>> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >>>> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >>>> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >>>> Wide cardioid >>>> Not so much suck. >>>> Last year I sold both on the Bay >>>> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >>>> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >>>> Roger >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> ?In article<606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>>>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>>>>>> instead >>>>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >>>>> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. >>>>> -- >>>>> Dave Plowmandave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Apr 8 07:10:54 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:10:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <2e1601a1-fc7c-37b9-8faa-ee6b0e0b0672@howell61.f9.co.uk> <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: Talking of large magnets in 4033s reminds me I trashed a wrist watch by getting it too close to a 4033! John Nottage On 08/04/2021 12:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > The BK5A isn't really similar to the 4033 at all. It is an end-fire > single capsule cardioid, using a ribbon capsule with an acoustic > labyrinth at the back to give the unidirectional response. > > The 4033 was a (legal) knock-off of the Altec (Western Electric) 639 > which dates from 1938. It is probably correct that STC was chosen for > the BBC as a British badge. In the 1930s the advantages of a > unidirectional mic were being widely considered. RCA came up with a > method rather like the BK5A - a delay labyrinth behind a > (bi-directional) ribbon. Shure did much the same with the Unidyne in 1937. > > The classical theory of combining an omni and fig-8 to create a cardioid > was perfectly correct, but meant that Altec's mic had to be > side-address. The US were very slow with the idea of capacitor mics - > Germany beat them by decades - and that meant massive magnets for > dynamic transducers in order to get any decent output. > > With further apologies for boring those with no interest in audio history... > > Chris Woolf > > > On 07/04/2021 21:52, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Hello Geoff, >> >> The 4033 looked even more impressive on its maker's Art Deco table >> stand, see attached photo. If it was a hat you might say it was "at a >> jaunty angle" I have a theory about? the choice of the 4033. In the >> 1950s it became clear that television was here to stay and a >> microphone was needed that was a cardioid to reduce off-stage noise, >> as small & light as possible yet rugged enough to withstand a degree >> of rough handlzng. Now in our training 'ration book' which listed the >> equipment with which we should be familiar there was an RCA microphone >> type No. BK5A. I couldn't find anything about this, no-one had seen >> one let alone used one. Now, 60 years later I got hold of one and the >> spec. is very similar to the 4033. I think these were the main >> contenders for a boom mic for coming years. I suggest that the ST&C >> won the contract because the 4033 was made in Britain! >> >> Hibou. >> >> >> >> On 07/04/2021 00:01, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >>> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >>> >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> >>> Geoff >>>> On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. >>>> >>>> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. >>>> >>>> N. >>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>> >>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >>>>> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >>>>> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >>>>> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >>>>> Wide cardioid >>>>> Not so much suck. >>>>> Last year I sold both on the Bay >>>>> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >>>>> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >>>>> Roger >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> ?In article<606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>>>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>>>>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>>>>>>> instead >>>>>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >>>>>> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dave Plowmandave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Apr 8 07:46:46 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 13:46:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <2e1601a1-fc7c-37b9-8faa-ee6b0e0b0672@howell61.f9.co.uk> <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <939c45c0-a3cb-f7bd-d965-5c2775138b47@chriswoolf.co.uk> Yes, those magnets were pretty powerful, particularly since they were Alnico. And I can remember people putting 4038s away in a steel cupboard by lobbing them from a couple of feet away and getting them to stick - how little we loved that sort of kit in those days! Chris Woolf On 08/04/2021 13:10, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Talking of large magnets in 4033s reminds me I trashed a wrist watch > by getting it too close to a 4033! > > John Nottage > > On 08/04/2021 12:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> The BK5A isn't really similar to the 4033 at all. It is an end-fire >> single capsule cardioid, using a ribbon capsule with an acoustic >> labyrinth at the back to give the unidirectional response. >> >> The 4033 was a (legal) knock-off of the Altec (Western Electric) 639 >> which dates from 1938. It is probably correct that STC was chosen for >> the BBC as a British badge. In the 1930s the advantages of a >> unidirectional mic were being widely considered. RCA came up with a >> method rather like the BK5A - a delay labyrinth behind a >> (bi-directional) ribbon. Shure did much the same with the Unidyne in >> 1937. >> >> The classical theory of combining an omni and fig-8 to create a >> cardioid was perfectly correct, but meant that Altec's mic had to be >> side-address. The US were very slow with the idea of capacitor mics - >> Germany beat them by decades - and that meant massive magnets for >> dynamic transducers in order to get any decent output. >> >> With further apologies for boring those with no interest in audio >> history... >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> On 07/04/2021 21:52, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Hello Geoff, >>> >>> The 4033 looked even more impressive on its maker's Art Deco table >>> stand, see attached photo. If it was a hat you might say it was "at >>> a jaunty angle" I have a theory about? the choice of the 4033. In >>> the 1950s it became clear that television was here to stay and a >>> microphone was needed that was a cardioid to reduce off-stage noise, >>> as small & light as possible yet rugged enough to withstand a degree >>> of rough handlzng. Now in our training 'ration book' which listed >>> the equipment with which we should be familiar there was an RCA >>> microphone type No. BK5A. I couldn't find anything about this, >>> no-one had seen one let alone used one. Now, 60 years later I got >>> hold of one and the spec. is very similar to the 4033. I think these >>> were the main contenders for a boom mic for coming years. I suggest >>> that the ST&C won the contract because the 4033 was made in Britain! >>> >>> Hibou. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 07/04/2021 00:01, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial >>>> training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom >>>> operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to >>>> the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was >>>> designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the >>>> differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a >>>> gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, >>>> but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it >>>> belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and >>>> avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given >>>> to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom >>>> could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed >>>> us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to >>>> others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, >>>> especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set >>>> during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with >>>> either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s >>>> likely others were. >>>> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with >>>> personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound >>>> perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot >>>> sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Geoff >>>>> On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via >>>>> Tech1? wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit >>>>> sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint >>>>> condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, >>>>> probably as long ago as late 1970?s. >>>>> >>>>> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole >>>>> host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more >>>>> natural-sounding then than now. >>>>> >>>>> N. >>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>>> >>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via >>>>>> Tech1? wrote: >>>>>> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >>>>>> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >>>>>> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >>>>>> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >>>>>> Wide cardioid >>>>>> Not so much suck. >>>>>> Last year I sold both on the Bay >>>>>> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >>>>>> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >>>>>> Roger >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via >>>>>>>>> Tech1? wrote: >>>>>>>>> ?In article<606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>>>>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms >>>>>>>>> were replaced >>>>>>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were >>>>>>>>> favoured >>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod >>>>>>> of sorts >>>>>>> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer >>>>>>> design. >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dave Plowmandave at davesound.co.uk????? London SW 12 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> >> ????Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Apr 8 08:36:01 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2021 14:36:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <939c45c0-a3cb-f7bd-d965-5c2775138b47@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <2e1601a1-fc7c-37b9-8faa-ee6b0e0b0672@howell61.f9.co.uk> <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> <939c45c0-a3cb-f7bd-d965-5c2775138b47@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5919f80db2davesound@btinternet.com> In article <939c45c0-a3cb-f7bd-d965-5c2775138b47 at chriswoolf.co.uk>, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > And I can remember people putting 4038s away in a steel cupboard by > lobbing them from a couple of feet away and getting them to stick - how > little we loved that sort of kit in those days! It was common practice (70s onwards) at Thames TV to present anyone retiring etc with a 4033 nicely mounted on an engraved plinth. Since no-one ever used them by then - unlike the 4038. Their nickname at Thames was a Guiness bottle. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Apr 8 08:46:30 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 14:46:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: It wasn?t just the Germans who used capacitor mics long before the Americans, British Gaumont were using their own condenser mics for recording talkies from 1931. I suspect that the concept was inspired, if not outright nicked from Germany because some of the people working to produce early talkies in Gaumont?s studios ( aka Lime Grove ) had German surnames. The article stated that their condenser mics were used for all subsequent movies, that was doubtless true when written, but they ended up using their own ribbon mics in booms in later years. British acoustic developed a technique for synchronised sound and pictures. We might best pass over their Chronophone from 1902, which used synchronised gramophone records., but they later developed a ?sound camera?, which recorded the sound onto film and because of the sprockets, that sound film could be perfectly synced with the picture film for projection. Unfortunately they overlooked the tiny detail of syncing the sound camera to the picture camera while shooting and the two would often run at slightly different speeds, which created problems for later. British Gaumont might well have pioneered the concept of sorting it out in the dub. Alan Taylor ( Gaumont clipping via Martin Ridout ) > On 8 Apr 2021, at 12:56, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > ? > The BK5A isn't really similar to the 4033 at all. It is an end-fire single capsule cardioid, using a ribbon capsule with an acoustic labyrinth at the back to give the unidirectional response. > > The 4033 was a (legal) knock-off of the Altec (Western Electric) 639 which dates from 1938. It is probably correct that STC was chosen for the BBC as a British badge. In the 1930s the advantages of a unidirectional mic were being widely considered. RCA came up with a method rather like the BK5A - a delay labyrinth behind a (bi-directional) ribbon. Shure did much the same with the Unidyne in 1937. > > The classical theory of combining an omni and fig-8 to create a cardioid was perfectly correct, but meant that Altec's mic had to be side-address. The US were very slow with the idea of capacitor mics - Germany beat them by decades - and that meant massive magnets for dynamic transducers in order to get any decent output. > > With further apologies for boring those with no interest in audio history... > > Chris Woolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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As I believe he?s been unwell for some time, he?s obviously not sticking to his mantra of ?rushing? to get things done. I don?t think he became an SA1 as such - far too nice to tell others what to do. He was such a gentle man in every sense that I hope he?s been kept comfortable during his illness. Mike G > On 8 Apr 2021, at 10:07, phider via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > Subject: Chas Davison > > To all sound crew who knew or worked with Chas. I worked with him occasionally on Drama and shared lifts with him to the Centre when we both lived in Twyford but know little about him personally. > > I've been asked to put together a biography of Chas Davison the former SA1 who is dangerously ill in a Birmingham hospital. 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 8 09:06:41 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 15:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] email gibberish In-Reply-To: <94717E57651D4163A5DAE494CC5973D2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <94717E57651D4163A5DAE494CC5973D2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: After restarting my phone, everything was fine and I could could read the previously corrupted messages quite normally. I could find nothing there but normal text, so what the app was trying to achieve and with what raw material I shall leave to the imagination. Mike G > On 8 Apr 2021, at 12:01, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Well done Bernie ? reassuring that someone has a grasp of these things! As to iThings being prone to the problem I have no experience of them but the Amazon emails I mentioned misbehaved on my PC/ Windows 10/ Live Mail. > > Dave Newbitt > > From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 10:10 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] email gibberish > > That gibberish looks a lot like an image or video file which hasn't been decoded. This tends to be because of a MIME type error, and iThings have a tendency to not make the correct associations. I'm sure it can be fixed. > > B > > > > On 08/04/2021 08:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Something very like this occurs from time to time with emails from Amazon acknowledging an order. As with your situation Mike it defies understanding and seems entirely random. >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Giles via Tech1 >> Sent: Thursday, April 8, 2021 12:08 AM >> To: Tech Ops >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Times past >> >> I reported problems in reading e-mail content in Tech Ops threads, notably Dave M?s and my own, whereas others were OK. I can?t begin to fathom the cause, but restarting my phone has made everything right, so I am now able to say that I share your difficulties, Dave, in accomplishing all that I would wish to accomplish because others who shall remain nameless wish me to accomplish things that I would not otherwise have attempted. I imagine that we two are not alone in this! I could go on, but it?s late - I?ll bore everyone some other time. >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 7 Apr 2021, at 00:41, Mike Giles mailto:mibridge at mac.com wrote: >>> >>> ?This is not a personal comment, Dave, but your response to my sarcasm is unintelligible - as you may see if you scroll down. 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URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Thu Apr 8 10:15:07 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2021 16:15:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <939c45c0-a3cb-f7bd-d965-5c2775138b47@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <21A4E85A-88A5-4160-AC58-B24992E47BC9@gmail.com> <2e1601a1-fc7c-37b9-8faa-ee6b0e0b0672@howell61.f9.co.uk> <781a2664-1f18-b45e-f4fd-2a53c8ad6b80@chriswoolf.co.uk> <939c45c0-a3cb-f7bd-d965-5c2775138b47@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E5F3D50-34C9-4BFA-85F8-0777F8509777@btinternet.com> Yes, 4033 magnets were powerful enough to ?adjust" the aspect ratio of the cameraman?s viewfinder, much fun! Barry. On 8 Apr 2021, at 13:46, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, those magnets were pretty powerful, particularly since they were Alnico. > > And I can remember people putting 4038s away in a steel cupboard by lobbing them from a couple of feet away and getting them to stick - how little we loved that sort of kit in those days! > > Chris Woolf > > > On 08/04/2021 13:10, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: >> Talking of large magnets in 4033s reminds me I trashed a wrist watch by getting it too close to a 4033! >> >> John Nottage >> >> On 08/04/2021 12:55, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> The BK5A isn't really similar to the 4033 at all. It is an end-fire single capsule cardioid, using a ribbon capsule with an acoustic labyrinth at the back to give the unidirectional response. >>> >>> The 4033 was a (legal) knock-off of the Altec (Western Electric) 639 which dates from 1938. It is probably correct that STC was chosen for the BBC as a British badge. In the 1930s the advantages of a unidirectional mic were being widely considered. RCA came up with a method rather like the BK5A - a delay labyrinth behind a (bi-directional) ribbon. Shure did much the same with the Unidyne in 1937. >>> >>> The classical theory of combining an omni and fig-8 to create a cardioid was perfectly correct, but meant that Altec's mic had to be side-address. The US were very slow with the idea of capacitor mics - Germany beat them by decades - and that meant massive magnets for dynamic transducers in order to get any decent output. >>> >>> With further apologies for boring those with no interest in audio history... >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> On 07/04/2021 21:52, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello Geoff, >>>> >>>> The 4033 looked even more impressive on its maker's Art Deco table stand, see attached photo. If it was a hat you might say it was "at a jaunty angle" I have a theory about the choice of the 4033. In the 1950s it became clear that television was here to stay and a microphone was needed that was a cardioid to reduce off-stage noise, as small & light as possible yet rugged enough to withstand a degree of rough handlzng. Now in our training 'ration book' which listed the equipment with which we should be familiar there was an RCA microphone type No. BK5A. I couldn't find anything about this, no-one had seen one let alone used one. Now, 60 years later I got hold of one and the spec. is very similar to the 4033. I think these were the main contenders for a boom mic for coming years. I suggest that the ST&C won the contract because the 4033 was made in Britain! >>>> >>>> Hibou. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 07/04/2021 00:01, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> ?When I was on Sound in the autumn of 1963 as part of my initial training and post Evesham in the spring of ?64, I enjoyed the boom operating experience. It seemed to me that the 4033 was wedded to the Mole Richardson boom and the lighter, more modern D25 was designed for the Fischer boom. While I couldn?t comment on the differences in sound capture, the 4033 looked more ?BBC?, having a gravitas about it, if not to the extent that the AXBT of Radio had, but along with the 4038 and the ?Apple & Biscuit? it looked like it belonged the same family. The 4033 had a literal gravitas too and avoiding clonking anyone on the head with that was a caution given to all of us trainees, though a bash from the back end of the boom could be even more painful. Was it Gordon Rolls or Ebu who informed us that we were responsible for the front end and it was up to others to watch out for the rear when passing by or under it, especially while the operator was swinging the arm across the set during a scene? Fortunately I can?t recall having offended with either, or to have been on the receiving end myself, though it?s likely others were. >>>>> Are booms still used as much on drama today or is it all done with personal mics? The trouble with those is the absence of sound perspective and it seems unnatural to hear dialogue in a long shot sounding the same as if it was in close-up, >>>>> >>>>> Geoff >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Geoff >>>>>> On 6 Apr 2021, at 09:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Last December, as part of my easing-towards-retirement sound kit sell-off I got ?2400 for a pair of KM84?s. They were in near mint condition and, when new, cost me ?125 each from FWO Bauch, probably as long ago as late 1970?s. >>>>>> >>>>>> Say what you like about the 4033, but I maintain that for a whole host of reasons, drama sound was much better and more natural-sounding then than now. >>>>>> >>>>>> N. >>>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 22:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> ?The STC 4033 was a thirties design from Westrex >>>>>>> Ribbon omni hybrid. Cardioid >>>>>>> The ribbon gave a bit of suck to the response >>>>>>> The D25 newer, lighter and brighter. >>>>>>> Wide cardioid >>>>>>> Not so much suck. >>>>>>> Last year I sold both on the Bay >>>>>>> The 25 made ?725 ,the 4033 ?650... >>>>>>> The AKG had a rare Boom wind gag. >>>>>>> Roger >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>> On 5 Apr 2021, at 15:56, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> ?In article<606b1663.1c69fb81.8844e.b346 at mx.google.com>, >>>>>>>>>> patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> The standard 4033?s went out of favour when the Mole booms were replaced >>>>>>>>>> by Fishers ? the ?33?s were too heavy, and the AKG D25?s were favoured >>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>> The 4033 was a fairly awful mic. An attempt to produce a cardiod of sorts >>>>>>>> using two mics matrixed together. But then the D25 a much newer design. >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dave Plowmandave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >>> >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave On 31/03/2021 13:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Probably, but depends on your player. > > I see that Amazon? offer various versions of this title ? which one > did you buy? > > Have a look at the user guide ? if you have lost it, it?s probably > available on the Internet. (I keep .pdf versions of mine and friends? > kit, as I?m always being beset with their problems!). > > I needed to purchase a multi-region player, as some of the films I > worked on were only available from the States, therefore Region 1 and > NTSC, although I?ve found that my PAL players very often can read > NTSC. (At the last count, I have six, three being recorders!) > > The model is (Bluray) SONY BDP-S6500 BLU-RAY PLAYER > > Bought in March 2017 at ?225. It?s very small and sits on my bedside > table with an HDMI connection to Samsung 22? TV, Whether it?s still > available I know not. > > Yes, I?ve moved my ?cinema? into my bedroom where I can watch movies, > drinking white wine, eating Thornton?s chocolates, with the phone in > one hand and remote in the other! Self-isolating is bearable, not > really necessary, but just keeping away from contact. > > Regards > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > *Sent: *31 March 2021 12:23 > *To: *Alan Taylor > *Cc: *Tech Ops List > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore > > Not about Hamlet, but related... > > I've just bought the Stones 'Rock'n'Roll Circus' on Blu ray, > alledgedly Region 0, but it also says NTSC. > > Before I unwrap it, will it play on my Sony Blu-ray player? > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > */Don?t blame me, I voted Remain./*/ > / > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Apr 8 19:33:00 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 01:33:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] China, interesting talk for you Message-ID: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 9 02:58:07 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 08:58:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: <0de50f87-e6e2-8b32-4d77-eaef1bd7f6f5@btinternet.com> References: <0de50f87-e6e2-8b32-4d77-eaef1bd7f6f5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> Ouch! I must say that I never felt mine. My father was deployed to North Africa during the War and anyone who could give an injection was pressed into service. Dad said to his chap that he never felt it. Fellow said that he was a vet, and his patients ? bit! My second jab due on May 5th. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 08 April 2021 23:09 To: tech1; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab How painful was yours? Not as bad as this one I hope! Cheers, Dave. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Apr 9 03:25:21 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 08:25:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore Message-ID: ?I?m pleased to report that apart from lights, the only mains operated item in our bedroom is my wife?s hair straighteners. The trick with memory performance is to know which bits to forget, but this might not be the best place to mention that! Happy days! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Apr 2021, at 22:46, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: ? it seems that both your hands are full in your bedroom which is a very sad state for a single man! In today's newspaper the medics say that regular sex in middle age boosts memory performance in later years, perhaps you should free up one hand at least! Cheers, Dave On 31/03/2021 13:11, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Probably, but depends on your player. I see that Amazon offer various versions of this title ? which one did you buy? Have a look at the user guide ? if you have lost it, it?s probably available on the Internet. (I keep .pdf versions of mine and friends? kit, as I?m always being beset with their problems!). I needed to purchase a multi-region player, as some of the films I worked on were only available from the States, therefore Region 1 and NTSC, although I?ve found that my PAL players very often can read NTSC. (At the last count, I have six, three being recorders!) The model is (Bluray) SONY BDP-S6500 BLU-RAY PLAYER Bought in March 2017 at ?225. It?s very small and sits on my bedside table with an HDMI connection to Samsung 22? TV, Whether it?s still available I know not. Yes, I?ve moved my ?cinema? into my bedroom where I can watch movies, drinking white wine, eating Thornton?s chocolates, with the phone in one hand and remote in the other! Self-isolating is bearable, not really necessary, but just keeping away from contact. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2021 12:23 To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore Not about Hamlet, but related... I've just bought the Stones 'Rock'n'Roll Circus' on Blu ray, alledgedly Region 0, but it also says NTSC. Before I unwrap it, will it play on my Sony Blu-ray player? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 9 03:26:55 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:26:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps In-Reply-To: <12B714CF-DBF7-4D23-ADB1-4A48AA60E622@mac.com> References: <12B714CF-DBF7-4D23-ADB1-4A48AA60E622@mac.com> Message-ID: <60700fcd.1c69fb81.57af2.6161@mx.google.com> How very embarrassing! Years ago, on Crew 3, Mike Cotton was working the TVT side set boom, the short Fisher. He was standing on a green canvas chair, which wasn?t up to his bulk, and it gave way. Mike grabbed at the arm, which rotated a full 360 degrees accompanied by terminal twanging noises. We were 30 mins from live transmission ? no time to get the maintenance engineer down from TVC, so we dismantled it along the rear aisle of the circle, and I quickly learned how to re-string the internal racking cables! That was never dealt with in an Evesham lesson! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 07 April 2021 13:29 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps I do recall being told of one SA who leapt onto his boom in front of an audience and was promptly sick from the platform in full view. I rather fancy it was the gent who was later jailed for stealing BBC equipment, but it was before my time at TVC, so I rely on others to verify! Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 9 03:31:31 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 09:31:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps In-Reply-To: <12B714CF-DBF7-4D23-ADB1-4A48AA60E622@mac.com> References: <12B714CF-DBF7-4D23-ADB1-4A48AA60E622@mac.com> Message-ID: <607010e1.1c69fb81.68bc4.6e61@mx.google.com> Here?s another mishap ? I?ve posted it before, I think. On one play, luckily on rehearsal - remember that the Mole booms had a support wire cable that ran over the top of the pivot to either end of the fixed tube. I had to do a fast swing between sets, and the sparks had left a safety cable hanging from one of the lighting barrels. What were the chances of the boom wire catching and latching the snap carabiner on the end? It did! & the momentum of the arm caused the whole barrel to lurch sideways. Too far to lean forward and detach the snap hook so everything came to a grinding halt while a stepladder was found to climb up and release. That would have been fun if on a live transmission! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 07 April 2021 13:29 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Boom-op mishaps I do recall being told of one SA who leapt onto his boom in front of an audience and was promptly sick from the platform in full view. I rather fancy it was the gent who was later jailed for stealing BBC equipment, but it was before my time at TVC, so I rely on others to verify! Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Fri Apr 9 04:33:49 2021 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 10:33:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> References: <0de50f87-e6e2-8b32-4d77-eaef1bd7f6f5@btinternet.com> <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My wife and I both had our second Pfizer jabs on Wednesday. We both had found the first jab painless, but felt a little pain from the second jab. Also, we both felt a little pain in the arm afterwards. My pain had gone within one day, but my wife's pain was worse. She could not use her arm yesterday, but she is now recovering and expects to be able to use that arm tomorrow. KW On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Ouch! > > I must say that I never felt mine. > > My father was deployed to North Africa during the War and anyone who could > give an injection was pressed into service. > > Dad said to his chap that he never felt it. Fellow said that he was a vet, > and his patients ? bit! > > My second jab due on May 5th. > > > > Best > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *08 April 2021 23:09 > *To: *tech1 ; Phil ; Pete > ; Dave ; Dave > ; Richard > *Subject: *[Tech1] Covid jab > > > > How painful was yours? Not as bad as this one I hope! Cheers, Dave. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_8121890003666529060_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jabberment at louisbarfe.com Fri Apr 9 05:23:30 2021 From: jabberment at louisbarfe.com (Louis Barfe) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 11:23:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <84CB9DE6-8792-4039-9791-2A16FB977A15@btinternet.com> References: <84CB9DE6-8792-4039-9791-2A16FB977A15@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2a175d8a-cbe5-f961-31e1-fdf48e64ef79@louisbarfe.com> On 06/04/2021 15:45, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > That could have been Joe Meek at Lansdowne.. Not in 1966. He'd long since decamped to Holloway Road. Could be John Mackswith, who was Adrian Kerridge's deputy in the late 60s. L -- --------------------------------------------------- Some people draw conclusions like curtains. --------------------------------------------------- Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 9 06:28:38 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 12:28:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <2a175d8a-cbe5-f961-31e1-fdf48e64ef79@louisbarfe.com> References: <84CB9DE6-8792-4039-9791-2A16FB977A15@btinternet.com> <2a175d8a-cbe5-f961-31e1-fdf48e64ef79@louisbarfe.com> Message-ID: <60703a66.1c69fb81.95025.73a5@mx.google.com> Ah! Now that?s beginning to ring a bell. However, I?m puzzled that Adrian couldn?t come up with that name. The connection with Lansdowne sat uncomfortably with the Corporation. When the B & W Minstrels first started, George Mitchell, being a perfectionist wanted the same balance engineer for every session of the tapes. The BBC, in a po-faced attitude, told him that all Sound Supervisors were equally qualified. Not good enough. George said he would go to where he knew the same guy was guaranteed. Thus, in a fit of pique, the music balance engineer (Adrian Kerridge) was never credited on the end captions. Ned Sherrin also went to Lansdowne for ?Take A Sapphire? David: you mentioned that ?there?s no VT recording of either ?Titipu? or ?Take a Sapphire? in the archive. Those audios are probably the only surviving recordings of them?. I could cut a CD for the Archives, if reckoned to be worth saving and you tell me where to send it. (In the past, I?ve been in touch with Charles Norton). I have made a video version?of the audio of Sapphire, with a camera set up to show the Nagra in playback mode, and twiddling the knobs to adjust balance between vocal and orch. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Louis Barfe via Tech1 Sent: 09 April 2021 11:23 To: Roger Long; David Brunt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. On 06/04/2021 15:45, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > That could have been Joe Meek at Lansdowne.. Not in 1966. He'd long since decamped to Holloway Road. Could be John Mackswith, who was Adrian Kerridge's deputy in the late 60s. L -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Fri Apr 9 10:07:18 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 16:07:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom mishaps and Hamlet References: Message-ID: Mike Gile's comment...'I rather fancy it was the gent who was later jailed for stealing BBC equipment, but it was before my time at TVC, so I rely on others to verify!' I understand this was a certain gentleman called Foster, and that when equipment went missing (and subsequently recovered) it became known as 'Fostering'! At the time this was happening, I was the tech advisor to the national association for talking newspapers (TNs), while my opposite number for hospital radio organisations (HRS), was Pete Dixon, usually to be found in Sound Maintenance at TVC. Pete and I were in regular contact to keep up-to-date on what was happening in the two organisations. It was Pete who told me about equipment going missing and I warned TNs. A couple of Quad 50s were bought by an unsuspecting HRS from Mr.Foster. Pete was called in to a senior manager who asked him to relay to the HRS that no action was to be taken against them as they had bought in good faith and would he pass on this information. I understand that Mr.Foster was rumbled when an Aston Capgen that had been removed from TVC, was bought by another TV company and when it went faulty, was taken to the makers for repair. When the serial number was checked, it showed up as stolen and a backtrack was done on how the new owners had come to buy the equipment. Ref: Hamlet...I found the attached comment in a book called 'Coming to you Live' about TV in the 40s and 50s (although some stories are in the 60s). Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have unstinting praise for their customer back-up service, although Doug Mackintosh could be a bit prickly! I still use the SQN for local audio control on video film shows, before the signal goes to my friend?s hi-fi, conveniently located next to the screen. I did fancy the Cooper ENG mixer but it was a bit larger. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: SQN.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 285122 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 9 10:29:02 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 16:29:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom mishaps and Hamlet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <607072be.1c69fb81.96e79.b337@mx.google.com> Well, I heard that a gent (whose name I know) wanted to copy a mic amp. Instead of asking, he ?appropriated? the spare from one sound apparatus room, but got caught. (Should have asked, the silly boy!). He was sacked, but no civil court case. I bumped into him years later at the Birmingham Conference Centre. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 09 April 2021 16:07 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Boom mishaps and Hamlet Mike Gile's comment...'I rather fancy it was the gent who was later jailed for stealing BBC equipment, but it was before my time at TVC, so I rely on others to verify!' I understand this was a certain gentleman called Foster, and that when equipment went missing (and subsequently recovered) it became known as 'Fostering'! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Fri Apr 9 12:34:18 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 18:34:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <60703a66.1c69fb81.95025.73a5@mx.google.com> References: <84CB9DE6-8792-4039-9791-2A16FB977A15@btinternet.com> <2a175d8a-cbe5-f961-31e1-fdf48e64ef79@louisbarfe.com> <60703a66.1c69fb81.95025.73a5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1AF29A171B834C7BBE4D931BF4811167@0023242e4e14> Charles would be a good contact to start with, though I?m not sure if he?s still at BBC Audio now. He?d know who to forward the details to, at least. From: patheigham Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 12:28 PM To: Louis Barfe ; Roger Long ; David Brunt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. David: you mentioned that ?there?s no VT recording of either ?Titipu? or ?Take a Sapphire? in the archive. Those audios are probably the only surviving recordings of them?. I could cut a CD for the Archives, if reckoned to be worth saving and you tell me where to send it. (In the past, I?ve been in touch with Charles Norton). I have made a video version of the audio of Sapphire, with a camera set up to show the Nagra in playback mode, and twiddling the knobs to adjust balance between vocal and orch. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: patheigham Sent: Friday, April 09, 2021 12:28 PM To: Louis Barfe ; Roger Long ; David Brunt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. ? David: you mentioned that ?there?s no VT recording of either ?Titipu? or ?Take a Sapphire? in the archive. Those audios are probably the only surviving recordings of them?. I could cut a CD for the Archives, if reckoned to be worth saving and you tell me where to send it. (In the past, I?ve been in touch with Charles Norton). I have made a video version of the audio of Sapphire, with a camera set up to show the Nagra in playback mode, and twiddling the knobs to adjust balance between vocal and orch. Regards Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Apr 9 13:37:01 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 19:37:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <2a175d8a-cbe5-f961-31e1-fdf48e64ef79@louisbarfe.com> References: <2a175d8a-cbe5-f961-31e1-fdf48e64ef79@louisbarfe.com> Message-ID: <7597178E-84B3-41AC-A657-729424A7807F@me.com> Is that the Joe Meek of "Telstar" fame? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 9 Apr 2021, at 11:24, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote: > > ?On 06/04/2021 15:45, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >> That could have been Joe Meek at Lansdowne.. > > Not in 1966. He'd long since decamped to Holloway Road. Could be John Mackswith, who was Adrian Kerridge's deputy in the late 60s. > > > L > -- > --------------------------------------------------- > Some people draw conclusions like curtains. > --------------------------------------------------- > Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Apr 9 15:13:22 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 21:13:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> References: <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9DAA9699-0447-40DB-B9F5-58DA4E2DF955@gmail.com> This is really one for you Pat and it maybe a bit rude but the others can take how they like... My wife went through a course of Chemotherapy at Mount Vernon just over ten years ago (she?s fine now thankfully, before you ask) and I took her and sat with her while she was having it. There were several other patients, mostly ladies in the treatment room at the same time. One was about to have the cannula put in and I heard the nurse said, as they always do, ?You may feel a little prick,? to which the lady quickly replied, ?These days I tell them, unless I feel a big prick I?m not interested?. The lady didn?t look at all happy, unsurprisingly at being there, but at least she hadn?t lost her sense of humour, Regards, Geoff > On 9 Apr 2021, at 08:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Ouch! > I must say that I never felt mine. > My father was deployed to North Africa during the War and anyone who could give an injection was pressed into service. > Dad said to his chap that he never felt it. Fellow said that he was a vet, and his patients ? bit! > My second jab due on May 5th. > > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 08 April 2021 23:09 > To: tech1; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab > > How painful was yours? Not as bad as this one I hope! Cheers, Dave. > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Apr 9 15:22:01 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 21:22:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: <9DAA9699-0447-40DB-B9F5-58DA4E2DF955@gmail.com> References: <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> <9DAA9699-0447-40DB-B9F5-58DA4E2DF955@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Geoff Dont apologise! Love these stories. Listened to Round the Horne last night and laughed out loud at Jules and Sand. Completely outrageous, how did they get away with it? Then there?s Samantha!?. Terrible things she gets up to with those old men in the Gramophone Library. Best wishes Albert > On 9 Apr 2021, at 21:13, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > This is really one for you Pat and it maybe a bit rude but the others can take how they like... > My wife went through a course of Chemotherapy at Mount Vernon just over ten years ago (she?s fine now thankfully, before you ask) and I took her and sat with her while she was having it. There were several other patients, mostly ladies in the treatment room at the same time. One was about to have the cannula put in and I heard the nurse said, as they always do, ?You may feel a little prick,? to which the lady quickly replied, ?These days I tell them, unless I feel a big prick I?m not interested?. > The lady didn?t look at all happy, unsurprisingly at being there, but at least she hadn?t lost her sense of humour, > Regards, > Geoff > >> On 9 Apr 2021, at 08:58, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? >> Ouch! >> I must say that I never felt mine. >> My father was deployed to North Africa during the War and anyone who could give an injection was pressed into service. >> Dad said to his chap that he never felt it. Fellow said that he was a vet, and his patients ? bit! >> My second jab due on May 5th. >> >> Best >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: 08 April 2021 23:09 >> To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard >> Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab >> >> How painful was yours? Not as bad as this one I hope! Cheers, Dave. >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 9 16:29:58 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2021 22:29:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: References: <0de50f87-e6e2-8b32-4d77-eaef1bd7f6f5@btinternet.com> <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Strange about the different reactions to the jab. My wife and I felt very tired for a couple of days after the first one but my wife had no reaction to the second! I am having mine next Sunday at 1630 so I will await the outcome with interest! Cheers, Dave On 09/04/2021 10:33, Keith Wicks wrote: > My wife and I both had our second Pfizer jabs on Wednesday. We both > had found the first jab painless, but felt a little pain from the > second jab. Also, we both felt a little pain in the arm afterwards. My > pain had gone within one day, but my wife's pain was worse. She could > not use her arm yesterday, but she is now recovering and expects to be > able to use that arm tomorrow. > KW > > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:58, patheigham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Ouch! > > I must say that I never felt mine. > > My father was deployed to North Africa during the War and anyone > who could give an injection was pressed into service. > > Dad said to his chap that he never felt it. Fellow said that he > was a vet, and his patients ? bit! > > My second jab due on May 5^th . > > Best > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *08 April 2021 23:09 > *To: *tech1 ; Phil > ; Pete > ; Dave > ; Dave > ; Richard > > *Subject: *[Tech1] Covid jab > > How painful was yours? Not as bad as this one I hope! Cheers, Dave. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#m_8121890003666529060_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My wife and I felt very tired for a couple of days after the first one but my wife had no reaction to the second! I am having mine next Sunday at 1630 so I will await the outcome with interest! Cheers, Dave On 09/04/2021 10:33, Keith Wicks wrote: My wife and I both had our second Pfizer jabs on Wednesday. We both had found the first jab painless, but felt a little pain from the second jab. Also, we both felt a little pain in the arm afterwards. My pain had gone within one day, but my wife's pain was worse. She could not use her arm yesterday, but she is now recovering and expects to be able to use that arm tomorrow.? KW On Fri, 9 Apr 2021 at 08:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Ouch! I must say that I never felt mine. My father was deployed to North Africa during the War and anyone who could give an injection was pressed into service. Dad said to his chap that he never felt it. Fellow said that he was a vet, and his patients ? bit! My second jab due on May 5th. ? Best Pat ? 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URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 10 05:25:26 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:25:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8A08E30C-8B3E-439F-B324-AB61891772B6@btinternet.com> Thanks to Neil Foster I never got my Gram Ops briefcase back, no sign of it in TC8, very annoying as it contained my coach tickets to Norwich. When the Jimmy Saville scandal hit the fan I had a visit from a very nice plain clothed police lady who was investigating a complaint by a girl who appeared on a "Jim?ll Fix It? in 1976 that I worked on. She wanted me to look in my diary for the date of the show, unfortunately all the pages up to August were blank as it was a replacement for the one in my stolen briefcase?most embarrassing! Barry. On 10 Apr 2021, at 01:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could reclaim! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 10 08:48:40 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 14:48:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <8A08E30C-8B3E-439F-B324-AB61891772B6@btinternet.com> References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> <8A08E30C-8B3E-439F-B324-AB61891772B6@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6071acb8.1c69fb81.25766.0d29@mx.google.com> This Foster character sounds like a thoroughly bad lot! How did he get past the selection boards? Gram Ops briefcase ? I never got one!! That must have been a later perk. However, there was a box disc carrier, to take 12? records, presumably for transferring between the main Gram library at BH and TVC. It had been sitting in TC4?s sound control for ages, so I decided to ?appropriate? it (well - as a Gram Op ? OK!). Upon opening it, there was a handwritten note which said: ?Put it back, Heigham!? And I know who had left it! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 10 April 2021 11:25 To: Dave Mundy Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering Thanks to Neil Foster?I never got my Gram Ops briefcase back, no sign of it in TC8, very annoying as it contained my coach tickets to Norwich.? When the Jimmy Saville scandal hit the fan I had a visit from a very nice plain clothed police lady who was investigating a complaint by a girl who appeared on a "Jim?ll Fix It? in 1976 that I worked on.? She wanted me to look in my diary for the date of the show, unfortunately all the pages up to August were blank as it was a replacement for the one in my stolen briefcase?most embarrassing! Barry. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Where was he... not in dressing room, not in wardrobe, not in make-up, not in the loo. No - he had discovered that one of the sparks had served on his ship in the Navy, so he was drinking tea out of a tin mug in the electricians' cubby hole in the studio! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Apr 10 09:45:04 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:45:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Duke of Edinburgh In-Reply-To: <6071b710.1c69fb81.ad5e8.3e17@mx.google.com> References: <6071b710.1c69fb81.ad5e8.3e17@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nice anecdote Pat. Wasn?t Sangers the name of the separate building adjacent to the main LG complex? Or is it another case of false memory on my part?!! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 3:32 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] The Duke of Edinburgh So sad to hear of his demise, a short story here: Hospitality LG's hospitality suite was named Sangers 35, but I don't know why, to this day! The Geophysical Year programmes had managed to obtain the services of the Duke of Edinburgh as presenter, and he was excellent. At the supper break, before recording, there was to be a reception shindig in Sangers 35, with all sorts of people invited, unconnected with the programme........ (There exists in the Film Industry, a 10 point list of the progress of a production. No.10 is "reward of the uninvolved") HRH wasn't there! Panic! Where was he... not in dressing room, not in wardrobe, not in make-up, not in the loo. No - he had discovered that one of the sparks had served on his ship in the Navy, so he was drinking tea out of a tin mug in the electricians' cubby hole in the studio! 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From: David Newbitt Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 3:45 PM To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Duke of Edinburgh Nice anecdote Pat. Wasn?t Sangers the name of the separate building adjacent to the main LG complex? Or is it another case of false memory on my part?!! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2021 3:32 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] The Duke of Edinburgh So sad to hear of his demise, a short story here: Hospitality LG's hospitality suite was named Sangers 35, but I don't know why, to this day! The Geophysical Year programmes had managed to obtain the services of the Duke of Edinburgh as presenter, and he was excellent. At the supper break, before recording, there was to be a reception shindig in Sangers 35, with all sorts of people invited, unconnected with the programme........ (There exists in the Film Industry, a 10 point list of the progress of a production. No.10 is "reward of the uninvolved") HRH wasn't there! Panic! Where was he... not in dressing room, not in wardrobe, not in make-up, not in the loo. No - he had discovered that one of the sparks had served on his ship in the Navy, so he was drinking tea out of a tin mug in the electricians' cubby hole in the studio! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He told them that they don't count as purveyors because a purveyor sells to the royalty. He hadn't paid for his steak roll, therefore they don't get awarded the crest. The rigger said that at Badminton next year, steak rolls will be a pound each and to bring the cash with him ... and the crest too. Alan Taylor On 10 Apr 2021, at 10 Apr . 16:01, Gordon blockley via Tech1 wrote: > To add to the stories, many years ago when I was a cameraman on Tel. O.Bs. we were rehearsing the Queens Christmas Broadcast at Buckingham Palace. As we neared the end of the first rehearsal, a helicopter arrived in the garden at the rear, and the Duke stepped out and entered the Bow room. He waited until the end of the rehearsal, and then addressed his wife and told her that she had spoken the words as if she were eating the Sunday lunch, and she should put a lot more sincerity into it! The Queen accepted his criticism completely and without any embarrassment that it was given in front of the crew- what a special relationship that must have been! > > Gordon Blockley > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Apr 10 10:30:13 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 16:30:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <6071acb8.1c69fb81.25766.0d29@mx.google.com> References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> <8A08E30C-8B3E-439F-B324-AB61891772B6@btinternet.com> <6071acb8.1c69fb81.25766.0d29@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2B2C90A1-B276-4385-ABF2-AC3CBF6A2D54@btinternet.com> Gram Ops briefcase (more of an attache case really) became a perk when the Gram Op became a permanent post in 1973, it contained all the tools of the trade! Barry. On 10 Apr 2021, at 14:48, patheigham wrote: > This Foster character sounds like a thoroughly bad lot! > How did he get past the selection boards? > Gram Ops briefcase ? I never got one!! That must have been a later perk. > However, there was a box disc carrier, to take 12? records, > presumably for transferring between the main Gram library at BH and TVC. It had been sitting in TC4?s sound control for ages, so I decided to ?appropriate? it (well - as a Gram Op ? OK!). > Upon opening it, there was a handwritten note which said: > ?Put it back, Heigham!? > And I know who had left it! > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 > Sent: 10 April 2021 11:25 > To: Dave Mundy > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering > > Thanks to Neil Foster I never got my Gram Ops briefcase back, no sign of it in TC8, very annoying as it contained my coach tickets to Norwich. > When the Jimmy Saville scandal hit the fan I had a visit from a very nice plain clothed police lady who was investigating a complaint by a girl who appeared on a "Jim?ll Fix It? in 1976 that I worked on. > She wanted me to look in my diary for the date of the show, unfortunately all the pages up to August were blank as it was a replacement for the one in my stolen briefcase?most embarrassing! > Barry. > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:> I can join the ranks of hitting artists with a 4033. In my case it was> Magnus Magnusson on a schools programme in TC2. He rose from his chair> two lines too early, just as I glanced at the script to check my cue to> lift!-- ??? Dave Plowman? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sat Apr 10 13:05:12 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 19:05:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Microphone, was Some details of the Pye desk In-Reply-To: <6071b0e7.1c69fb81.c85ba.4734@mx.google.com> References: <6071b0e7.1c69fb81.c85ba.4734@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <10E2227E-426B-449D-969C-375F49FECE8B@btinternet.com> I have one of those with a BBC flag on it. They are lovely replicas. I use mine with a DPA 4060 for zooming?. > On 10 Apr 2021, at 15:06, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > There was a comment that early mics did not have what we now know as ?standard? connectors, indeed some mics just had bare wire connections. > As the retiring membership secretary of AMPS (Association of Motion Picture Sound) I was presented with a perfect ceramic replica of an AXBT mic, including the terminals on the back for loose wire connection. > Pity it was not a real functioning example, that would have been good for a Zoom link! > Best > Pat > > <1C265D6CFD83470B9FF695BF49D132A9.jpg> > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > <1C265D6CFD83470B9FF695BF49D132A9.jpg>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sat Apr 10 13:14:32 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 19:14:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Duke of Edinburgh In-Reply-To: <4BFAD171-1C9C-4C4E-BAA0-1FB164D68310@me.com> References: <4BFAD171-1C9C-4C4E-BAA0-1FB164D68310@me.com> Message-ID: We were doing a Duke Of Edinburgh Award scheme film in the early 80s. We turned up for a mass award ceremony at he Palace. Philip would award 600 winners. They agreed on a ECM 50 in his tie My assistant would rig it and give me a cue when he was to enter the hall. There was an interminable delay, I went to see what was happening in the ante chamber. Phillip had his trouser down round his knees and my boy was struggling with his tie. Turns out Phillips tie was always safety pinned to his pants to stop it riding up and the trousers had to be freed to enable access. The Equery was looking furious, Phillip was completely unabashed.. Roger > On 10 Apr 2021, at 16:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > HRH or Anne would often turn up at, or compete in horse events, such as three day trials etc. The lunch boxes provided by production were somewhat disappointing and buying food on site was expensive, so the crew would often cater for themselves. A particular favourite was to set up a BBQ and do steak rolls. > > Those two royals had a special skill for sniffing out food being grilled and one or the other sometimes showed up to cadge a steak or bacon roll. One of the riggers asked if they could be awarded a 'By Royal Appointment' sign on the tender ...... Purveyors of steak sandwiches to HRH The Duke of Edinburgh. He told them that they don't count as purveyors because a purveyor sells to the royalty. He hadn't paid for his steak roll, therefore they don't get awarded the crest. > > The rigger said that at Badminton next year, steak rolls will be a pound each and to bring the cash with him ... and the crest too. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > On 10 Apr 2021, at 10 Apr . 16:01, Gordon blockley via Tech1 wrote: > >> To add to the stories, many years ago when I was a cameraman on Tel. O.Bs. we were rehearsing the Queens Christmas Broadcast at Buckingham Palace. As we neared the end of the first rehearsal, a helicopter arrived in the garden at the rear, and the Duke stepped out and entered the Bow room. He waited until the end of the rehearsal, and then addressed his wife and told her that she had spoken the words as if she were eating the Sunday lunch, and she should put a lot more sincerity into it! The Queen accepted his criticism completely and without any embarrassment that it was given in front of the crew- what a special relationship that must have been! >> >> Gordon Blockley >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Apr 10 14:28:56 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 19:28:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: References: <0de50f87-e6e2-8b32-4d77-eaef1bd7f6f5@btinternet.com> <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> <1104748375.635249.1618031253942@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Had our second jab yesterday (AstraZ) and neither of us too bad today, just lacking in get up and go. After the first, Heather was relatively OK, but I spent the next day 'wading through treacle' absolutely floored, went to bed early and slept for almost 10 hours, but fine again thereafter. Hope you all successfully get both doses, and don't suffer any serious after effects. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient > Virus-free. [www.avast.com](https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient) > > #DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Boy, did I feel sorry for him, he was on t/b, I think from LG, and the producer was insisting he asked HRH about how he could reconcile his support for organisations such as WWF with his passion for hunting big game, as I think that John had agreed locally beforehand that he wasn't going to cover that topic. He got a somewhat tetchy and crusty reply, along the lines I think of certain animals needed to be culled (at least, I think that was the gist of things). And whilst it's popped into my mind, I remember that in the first months of PSC, we all wanted to light the locations, but after a year or so, it came as a relief to be on a two or more camera shoot, and have someone else do that, and all you had to do was point the camera! Gosh, this is easy, I could do that! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Sat Apr 10 14:59:13 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 20:59:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Duke of Edinburgh In-Reply-To: <4BFAD171-1C9C-4C4E-BAA0-1FB164D68310@me.com> References: <4BFAD171-1C9C-4C4E-BAA0-1FB164D68310@me.com> Message-ID: <7C8B9A7D-4570-451C-A8C2-3530980C7CFA@icloud.com> Very sad news about HRH?s passing particularly because of the sacrifices he made in his life to serve the country. Bizarrely, the one thing that kept going through my mind was the story I heard of when Prince Philip was visiting TV Centre and somehow Peter ?squire? Hill was on the 7th floor when the royal party passed by. The story I heard is that Squire Hill stopped in his tracks and uttered the immortal line ?Fuck me squire, you don?t half look like the Duke of Edinburgh? Any confirmation of this story from anyone?? Graham Maunder Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Apr 2021, at 16:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?HRH or Anne would often turn up at, or compete in horse events, such as three day trials etc. The lunch boxes provided by production were somewhat disappointing and buying food on site was expensive, so the crew would often cater for themselves. A particular favourite was to set up a BBQ and do steak rolls. > > Those two royals had a special skill for sniffing out food being grilled and one or the other sometimes showed up to cadge a steak or bacon roll. One of the riggers asked if they could be awarded a 'By Royal Appointment' sign on the tender ...... Purveyors of steak sandwiches to HRH The Duke of Edinburgh. He told them that they don't count as purveyors because a purveyor sells to the royalty. He hadn't paid for his steak roll, therefore they don't get awarded the crest. > > The rigger said that at Badminton next year, steak rolls will be a pound each and to bring the cash with him ... and the crest too. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > >> On 10 Apr 2021, at 10 Apr . 16:01, Gordon blockley via Tech1 wrote: >> >> To add to the stories, many years ago when I was a cameraman on Tel. O.Bs. we were rehearsing the Queens Christmas Broadcast at Buckingham Palace. As we neared the end of the first rehearsal, a helicopter arrived in the garden at the rear, and the Duke stepped out and entered the Bow room. He waited until the end of the rehearsal, and then addressed his wife and told her that she had spoken the words as if she were eating the Sunday lunch, and she should put a lot more sincerity into it! The Queen accepted his criticism completely and without any embarrassment that it was given in front of the crew- what a special relationship that must have been! >> >> Gordon Blockley >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 10 15:40:16 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 20:40:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: References: <0de50f87-e6e2-8b32-4d77-eaef1bd7f6f5@btinternet.com> <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> <1104748375.635249.1618031253942@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: My wife Judi and I had our second Pfizer jab yesterday. Felt nothing, but just as well as I spent much of today rodding out No2 daughter?s drains. They moved into their first home earlier this week, only to find an existing drains problem that wasn?t mentioned by vendors or searches, etc. Plus a couple of other emergency fault fixes. Talk about being dropped in the shit! In the end, Dyno-rod to the rescue. Nice house though, and jabs all good. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 10 Apr 2021, at 20:29, techtone via Tech1 wrote: ? Had our second jab yesterday (AstraZ) and neither of us too bad today, just lacking in get up and go. After the first, Heather was relatively OK, but I spent the next day 'wading through treacle' absolutely floored, went to bed early and slept for almost 10 hours, but fine again thereafter. Hope you all successfully get both doses, and don't suffer any serious after effects. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Apr 10 16:46:42 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 21:46:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Duke of Edinburgh Message-ID: My lifelong friend, best man, and ex-film sound recordist, now B&B owner, Chris M has a witness-verified true story of how he was once required to mic up the senior member of Royalty in question. This was in the days when strict protocol meant there was absolutely no physical contact, and personal mics were a definite no-no. Nevertheless, Chris walks up to said Royal with an ECM on one of those pin and stud mounts that we all had but never used. Without asking, he lifts his tie and is about to stick the pin through it. HRH looks a little taken aback and says: ?Are you proposing to make a hole in my nice tie?? Totally unabashed, Chris replies: ?It?s only a little prick Sir!? HRH guffaws with laughter and says: ?Oh I see, well I suppose that?s alright then?. Ice broken right there and then, but shocked embarrassment by all but Chris and HRH. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 10 Apr 2021, at 20:55, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Did a live two camera interview for Breakfast Time with HRH in a room in Windsor Castle. Goodness, that room was just like someone's back room in a family house, completely unpretentious, with slightly well-worn furnishings, although it was obviously somewhat larger than many's a back room to accommodate lights, cameras etc. Main camera on HRH was Tim Healy, and I'm fairly sure he had to light it too, whilst I covered John Stapleton, asking the questions. Boy, did I feel sorry for him, he was on t/b, I think from LG, and the producer was insisting he asked HRH about how he could reconcile his support for organisations such as WWF with his passion for hunting big game, as I think that John had agreed locally beforehand that he wasn't going to cover that topic. He got a somewhat tetchy and crusty reply, along the lines I think of certain animals needed to be culled (at least, I think that was the gist of things). > > And whilst it's popped into my mind, I remember that in the first months of PSC, we all wanted to light the locations, but after a year or so, it came as a relief to be on a two or more camera shoot, and have someone else do that, and all you had to do was point the camera! Gosh, this is easy, I could do that! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Apr 10 17:39:52 2021 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2021 23:39:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Boom op Blunders Message-ID: <5F917A1C-61F0-4BDC-A934-347D8EB1F857@howell61.f9.co.uk> Ok time for me to join the confessional! Studio D, 1st October 1963 end of rehearsal for 'Fascinating Facts' presented by Donal Donelly. Into line-up. I unlocked the boom arm lifted the pan and tilt handle to bring the old STC 4033 down to check it was correctly mounted etc. unfortunately Donal was standing directly below and crumpled from the force of the descending mic on his head. Well you can imagine how I felt, I'd nearly knocked out the presenter of a live programe half an hour before TX and I was still on probation, instant dismisal ? Donal got through the programme. but he must have had sore head. I was told to do the boom and heard nothing more of the 'incident'. Hibou. From phider at gmx.com Sun Apr 11 01:01:03 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 07:01:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1MxDou-1lkn5U32SW-00xXnC@mail.gmx.net> I was working on a Dr Who when a Radio Times stills photographer came on set. He put down his flight case containing two or three Nikons and associated lenses, selected what he needed and started shooting. A short while later he came back to find his case had gone. The studio was secured and a hunt was made but the case had vanished. Neil used to secrete stuff up in the lighting grid and come back after the studio was cleared and retrieve it.?He parked his Volvo with a roof storage box in the ringroad? and was never stopped. I believe that he shared a large farmhouse out in the sticks with his brother. The sharing was literally him living in one half and his brother in a completely separate part of the house. When the police arrived they found every room bar one stacked floor to ceiling with stolen goods. He didn't appear to have used or even opened a lot of the stuff with people's briefcases being found still containing their sandwiches. I was? told it took seven truckloads to bring all the stuff back to the Centre.?This was Kleptomania on an industrial scale. I wonder if he came back for TC4, 5,6,7 & 8.Attached is from 2013.PeterSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" Date: 10/04/2021 01:06 (GMT+00:00) To: Dave Buckley , tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult? situation! He had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to keep the gear.? There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could reclaim! Cheers, Dave?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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He didn't mention anything about it's serial no matching a stolen machine, so I can continue playing my collection of 10.5" tape reels quite happily. Dave B From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 11 05:51:14 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 11:51:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <1MxDou-1lkn5U32SW-00xXnC@mail.gmx.net> References: <1MxDou-1lkn5U32SW-00xXnC@mail.gmx.net> Message-ID: <9baaad20-56f0-5241-1ba1-cf93333d7ac9@zero51.force9.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com Sun Apr 11 06:30:38 2021 From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 12:30:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <9baaad20-56f0-5241-1ba1-cf93333d7ac9@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <1MxDou-1lkn5U32SW-00xXnC@mail.gmx.net> <9baaad20-56f0-5241-1ba1-cf93333d7ac9@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <88759a87-cf8b-e77c-96b7-de8668814f13@gmail.com> My Security Card was among the "TC8 Haul" (or maybe it was my Club Pass?) and as its owner was identifiable it was returned to me without my having to search for it - with the comment "Why should he have wanted something so obviously not his?".? Like everybody, I was gobsmacked at Neil's industriousness. Mike Minchin From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 11 08:34:26 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 14:34:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: References: <6063136f.1c69fb81.1e442.87c8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6072fae3.1c69fb81.81240.d010@mx.google.com> The US DVD has arrived and plays on my multi-region player. It?s labelled Region 1 NTSC, B & W. It?s a first class transfer, with no vestige of line standard visible, and as it?s marketed by 2-Entertain, I?ve contacted a guy that I know there, to see if he has anymore information about the capture format ? IMBb only says ?video? I would say that I hated studying Shakespeare at school, and it was only seeing the RSC presenting Henry IV at Stratford that it became alive with the expertise of professional actors. At that visit, we were running late due to traffic, and arrived with but 5 mins before curtain up. Rather wickedly, I had a huge Thames Television luggage label which I plonked on the dash, and the nice commissionaire, said to just leave the car there, sir ? right at the base of the steps! I hope I remembered to slip him some dosh! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2021 16:23 To: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore If the shoot at Elsinore took place in 1964, it would have predated mainstream colour TV and probably predated mobile VT too. ?I assume that it must have been shot on film. Alan Taylor On 30 Mar 2021, at 13:03, patheigham wrote: ? There is a DVD version available, but from the USA, so Region 1. I do have a multi-region player, so have ordered a copy ? only 5 left, now! I felt that I wanted to view it again. Pat ? ? From: patheigham Sent: 30 March 2021 12:50 To: Alan Taylor; tech1 Subject: RE: [Tech1] Filling in some blanks ? Alan, While I never worked in OB?s, I wonder if you have any information about the production of Hamlet, actually shot in Kronborg Castle ? Elsinore. The BBC marked the four hundred year anniversary of Shakespeare?s birth with an ambitious production, Hamlet at Elsinore, shown on 19 April 1964. Hamlet was filmed the previous autumn in and around Kronborg castle in Elsinore, the setting for the play, becoming the first major drama for television filmed entirely on location. In a co-production with Danmarks Radio the production overcame technical issues associated with the site ? notably stormy weather - to produce a memorable and atmospheric reading of the classic drama. ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: FEC12BC250EF462D8CC1EEF9261C5D69.png Type: image/png Size: 136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Apr 11 11:14:28 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 17:14:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added burglar alarms. First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm switched off. And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that day. Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything was nicked? In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of > Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the > Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all > the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars > stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, > crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received > the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He > had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to > keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all > of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could > reclaim! Cheers, Dave -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 11 12:13:24 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 17:13:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering Message-ID: I?m intrigued to know whether this was before or after I left (1980) and whether I would have known the guy. Such compulsive theft must have been a mental condition, surely? Intrigued too, because not long after I left, I purchased a BTR2 tape deck from a guy who told me it was ex-Radio Luxembourg, and who I met while working on a commercial in St John?s Wood. I built a Mullard ?Type C? playback amp into it for editing, and a wooden coffin for it to live in, but soon realised it was by then a heap of primitive junk and sold it on. There was also a spark who used to hang around commercials studios with a seemingly bottomless bag of expensive microphones he was flogging off, suspiciously cheap. Same guy again, I wonder? I?m also wondering if he?s the same guy who allegedly drew up outside the front of BH with a large van, and persuaded the Commisionaires to help him out from the BH concert hall with a full-size Steinway concert grand piano. (Maybe not!). A nice story, if it was actually true. There was also in the mid eighties, a spate of thefts of PSC cameras from several facilities companies, and a close liaison between them despite being basically in competition with each other in the industry. And, mid eighties I had installed two Neve Melbourn mixer desks at West Surrey College of Art (Farnham), one of which was subsequently stolen. I think that was the moment that Surrey CC asked themselves whether self-insuring (i.e., not insuring) was such a good idea! Mabe it?s time for me to confess that there might have been the odd occasion when I might have accidently taken home a ?British Broadcasting Corporation? toilet roll, printed as you will remember on every sheet. Oh, and the odd foot or two of yellow leader tape. Cheers, Nicolas (excuse caution over the use of word ?Nick?!) Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 11 Apr 2021, at 12:31, Mike via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My Security Card was among the "TC8 Haul" (or maybe it was my Club Pass?) and as its owner was identifiable it was returned to me without my having to search for it - with the comment "Why should he have wanted something so obviously not his?". Like everybody, I was gobsmacked at Neil's industriousness. > > Mike Minchin > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 11 13:40:31 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 19:40:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> <591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I think it was a mental thing. it didn't matter how trivial the things were he kept many of them at home. Personal briefcases from outside the club, a couple of Studers on a trolley (and got the commissionaires to hold the reception door open for him!), small cameras, lenses, but when they started to put combination locks on the control room doors he ripped out the 'hy-tip' wiring from the bays in the engineering control room of TC4 on the day it was scheduled to do Blue Peter! One of the desk modules in TC8 was a one off and there were no drawings or circuit diagrams of it! As many of you know he was only caught because he sold an Aston to Anglia TV. It was from TC7 and? had a particular character fault which the company knew about. When Anglia sent it back for repair the company put 2 and 2 together and that was that. Cheers, Dave On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there > were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added > burglar alarms. > > First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm > switched off. > > And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to > pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of > the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of > modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer > tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. > > Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity > and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use > its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio > engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that > day. > > Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd > thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone > building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything > was nicked? > > In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of >> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the >> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all >> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars >> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, >> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received >> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He >> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to >> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all >> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could >> reclaim! Cheers, Dave From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 11 13:46:42 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 19:46:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> <591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: When did you leave Dave? Paul Daniels started his regular series at the Beeb in 1979. The incident I mentioned could be in that year or early eighties.? There was a TC8 sound desk theft around that time, although the story as told implied it was the whole desk! Maybe it was the same event, with some poetic licence. ?iirc the disappearance was eventually ascribed to Neil. It was mind boggling imagining some-one making off with a whole sound desk and certainly not likely to be a one man job. P F On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there > were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added > burglar alarms. > > First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm > switched off. > > And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to > pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of > the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of > modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer > tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. > > Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity > and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use > its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio > engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that > day. > > Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd > thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone > building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything > was nicked? > > In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of >> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the >> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all >> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars >> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, >> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received >> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He >> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to >> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all >> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could >> reclaim! Cheers, Dave From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Sun Apr 11 14:07:27 2021 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:07:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Nick, If my memory cells are correct, end of 1978. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 11/04/2021 18:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I?m intrigued to know whether this was before or after I left (1980) and whether I would have known the guy. Such compulsive theft must have been a mental condition, surely? > Intrigued too, because not long after I left, I purchased a BTR2 tape deck from a guy who told me it was ex-Radio Luxembourg, and who I met while working on a commercial in St John?s Wood. I built a Mullard ?Type C? playback amp into it for editing, and a wooden coffin for it to live in, but soon realised it was by then a heap of primitive junk and sold it on. There was also a spark who used to hang around commercials studios with a seemingly bottomless bag of expensive microphones he was flogging off, suspiciously cheap. Same guy again, I wonder? > > I?m also wondering if he?s the same guy who allegedly drew up outside the front of BH with a large van, and persuaded the Commisionaires to help him out from the BH concert hall with a full-size Steinway concert grand piano. (Maybe not!). A nice story, if it was actually true. > > There was also in the mid eighties, a spate of thefts of PSC cameras from several facilities companies, and a close liaison between them despite being basically in competition with each other in the industry. > > And, mid eighties I had installed two Neve Melbourn mixer desks at West Surrey College of Art (Farnham), one of which was subsequently stolen. I think that was the moment that Surrey CC asked themselves whether self-insuring (i.e., not insuring) was such a good idea! > > Mabe it?s time for me to confess that there might have been the odd occasion when I might have accidently taken home a ?British Broadcasting Corporation? toilet roll, printed as you will remember on every sheet. Oh, and the odd foot or two of yellow leader tape. > > Cheers, > Nicolas (excuse caution over the use of word ?Nick?!) > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 11 Apr 2021, at 12:31, Mike via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My Security Card was among the "TC8 Haul" (or maybe it was my Club Pass?) and as its owner was identifiable it was returned to me without my having to search for it - with the comment "Why should he have wanted something so obviously not his?". Like everybody, I was gobsmacked at Neil's industriousness. >> >> Mike Minchin >> From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun Apr 11 14:18:07 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:18:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com><591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <596B3F980A09451084229D26D2716543@0023242e4e14> Although the Daniels series started in 1979, he did isolated one-off TVC shows in 1977. Plus runs in 1975 and 1976 in BBC Manchester. A Pebble Mill, A Jim'll Fix It in the Theatre, etc... -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:46 PM To: Dave Plowman ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering When did you leave Dave? Paul Daniels started his regular series at the Beeb in 1979. The incident I mentioned could be in that year or early eighties. There was a TC8 sound desk theft around that time, although the story as told implied it was the whole desk! Maybe it was the same event, with some poetic licence. iirc the disappearance was eventually ascribed to Neil. It was mind boggling imagining some-one making off with a whole sound desk and certainly not likely to be a one man job. P F On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there > were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added > burglar alarms. > > First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm > switched off. > > And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to > pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of > the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of > modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer > tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. > > Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity > and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use > its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio > engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that > day. > > Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd > thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone > building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything > was nicked? > > In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of >> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the >> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all >> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars >> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, >> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received >> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He >> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to >> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all >> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could >> reclaim! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sun Apr 11 15:16:36 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:16:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <596B3F980A09451084229D26D2716543@0023242e4e14> References: <596B3F980A09451084229D26D2716543@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <7726C592-25E8-4FC9-BEF9-1BCFD6AD6114@me.com> It takes a certain amount of ingenuity to steal big stuff without attracting attention. About 25 years ago I read about a company who made vinyl floor covering. They were losing several rolls per week. These were massive rolls, about 8 feet long and three feet in diameter. The warehouse had electrically operated steel shutter doors which couldn?t be opened manually and the power was isolated at night. There was no other route out where you could get a big roll through. After lots of upgrades to the alarm system, locks and other security devices, they were still losing rolls. As a last resort they decided to do a secret stakeout and discovered that last thing at night, a senior employee would place a roll alongside the shutter a touch the other side of it and roll it back into the warehouse before bringing down the shutter, leaving just a quarter inch gap at the bottom. An inch or two of vinyl was left peeping under the closed shutter. He would then set the alarms, go home and stay there. During the night, a couple of guys turned up in a van and tugged on the end of the vinyl to pull a little of it under the door. Once they had pulled a few feet of it through, they would roll it up and pull another few feet through. The process was continued until the entire roll had been pulled under the shutter and rolled up again the other side. I can?t help but admire the ingenuity of somebody who can come up with such a clever scheme as that. Alan Taylor From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 11 15:34:53 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 21:34:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <7726C592-25E8-4FC9-BEF9-1BCFD6AD6114@me.com> References: <596B3F980A09451084229D26D2716543@0023242e4e14> <7726C592-25E8-4FC9-BEF9-1BCFD6AD6114@me.com> Message-ID: <100811c4-0ee2-ec6b-ccce-5d074f95135e@btinternet.com> Hence the (probably!) apocryphal story of a worker who wheeled his tools etc. out of the factory gates every night in a wheelbarrow and all of it's contents were legit. What he was actually stealing were the wheel barrows! Cheers, Dave On 11/04/2021 21:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > It takes a certain amount of ingenuity to steal big stuff without attracting attention. > > About 25 years ago I read about a company who made vinyl floor covering. They were losing several rolls per week. These were massive rolls, about 8 feet long and three feet in diameter. The warehouse had electrically operated steel shutter doors which couldn?t be opened manually and the power was isolated at night. There was no other route out where you could get a big roll through. > > After lots of upgrades to the alarm system, locks and other security devices, they were still losing rolls. As a last resort they decided to do a secret stakeout and discovered that last thing at night, a senior employee would place a roll alongside the shutter a touch the other side of it and roll it back into the warehouse before bringing down the shutter, leaving just a quarter inch gap at the bottom. An inch or two of vinyl was left peeping under the closed shutter. He would then set the alarms, go home and stay there. > > During the night, a couple of guys turned up in a van and tugged on the end of the vinyl to pull a little of it under the door. Once they had pulled a few feet of it through, they would roll it up and pull another few feet through. The process was continued until the entire roll had been pulled under the shutter and rolled up again the other side. > > I can?t help but admire the ingenuity of somebody who can come up with such a clever scheme as that. > > Alan Taylor From techtone at protonmail.com Sun Apr 11 15:34:47 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:34:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining Message-ID: Like you, as a youth I was extremely sceptical when I heard tales of water diving and twitching hazel twigs etc. However, you may remember there was a time in 1967 or 68, when Pres A was being refurbished (not, I think, for colour, but I could be wrong on that score) and a downstairs room in the spur was put into service as the studio for weather, etc. with 3 EMI vidicon cameras. As an aside, before the main tale, I also did the 'auditions' for Jack Scott there before he became a full time weatherman. I also did my first spells of directing/mixing for the lunch time weather whilst a certain director spent the time in the club, all excellent experience! Anyhow, one morning I arrived at least 20 minutes early for the morning session to find Algie (remember Algie, studio engineer with odd quirks) holding a couple of metal tubes, one in each hand, with an L-shaped metal rod in each of them, the shorter base of the L in the tube, thus two rods pointing out in front of him, and wandering rather aimlessly around the studio. Somewhat bemused, I asked what he was doing, and so he gave me the rods and tubes to hold, and told me to walk across the middle of the studio. So I ambled across the floor with the rods sticking straight out in front of me, and halfway across the rods swung outwards BY THEMSELVES. That was one of the most staggering moments of my life, as, not only was it unexpected, but went against all my preconceptions of what might happen. Yes, he said, that's what I found. He told me that they were Post Office diving rods, and thus suited to tracing underground cables. Needless to say, I read up on as many books I could find in the local library on the subject of divining, but couldn't find anything that really helped me form a realistic conclusion. So I'm now open-minded when I hear tales of auras, premonitions, etc. 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.' Hamlet Maybe I should see if there's a U3A divining group, complete with rods, twigs, bobs, and all the other accoutrements mentioned in the books. And I'd be interested to know of any of you who've personally experienced anything similar. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Sun Apr 11 15:45:56 2021 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 20:45:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hamlet at Elsinore In-Reply-To: <6072fae3.1c69fb81.81240.d010@mx.google.com> References: <6063136f.1c69fb81.1e442.87c8@mx.google.com> <6072fae3.1c69fb81.81240.d010@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In my case, when I was on holiday with my relatives in Coventry, and probably about 14 years old, they took me to a performance of 'A Midsummer Night's Dream' at Stratford-on-Avon, with Charles Laughton as Bottom. I was an immediate Shakespearean convert. When Charles Laughton strode on stage, his whole presence simply filled the theatre, and his antics as Bottom were side-splitingly funny. Mind you, having to study' King Lear' later at school, was hard going, but I persevered, and retain a fondness for Shakespeare, especially many of his sonnets. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 11 16:03:31 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 22:03:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] House moving In-Reply-To: References: <0de50f87-e6e2-8b32-4d77-eaef1bd7f6f5@btinternet.com> <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> <1104748375.635249.1618031253942@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <26345d2a-bea8-38b6-24e3-122d19c2ffd3@btinternet.com> When we moved from our maisonette in Whitton to Esher we had the usual searches done by the solicitors who found no problems noted by the owners, a retired couple who had already got their dream bungalow in Ferring-by-Sea, and had lost one sale, so they were desperate to sell. We managed to knock ?2500 off the asking price and so were happy to complete. When we moved in we found raging woodworm under the stairs and hall oak panelling, the gas fires in the bedrooms hadn't been converted to North Sea gas, the Raeburn in the kitchen filled the place with smoke and the main gas pipe had a one inch hole in it! Hence, Christmas lunch was cooked with a large rubber gas pipe down the hall from the meter to the kitchen to our stand-alone Cannon cooker. Also, they had snipped off all of the light fittings and charged us for the coal left in the bunker outside! Amazingly, they had redecorated and painted the skirting boards up to and beyond their furniture! The bathroom was dark blue ceiling and dark pink walls above the white tiles halfway up. I think, that, apart from the bricks and mortar and the new double glazed doors and windows I have built the house while working all over the world, nowadays I can't raise any enthusiasm to do anything! Cheers, Dave On 10/04/2021 21:40, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > My wife Judi and I had our second Pfizer jab yesterday. Felt nothing, > but just as well as I spent much of today rodding out No2 daughter?s > drains. They moved into their first home earlier this week, only to > find an existing drains problem that wasn?t mentioned by vendors or > searches, etc. Plus a couple of other emergency fault fixes. Talk > about being dropped in the shit! ?In the end, Dyno-rod to the rescue. > Nice house though, and jabs all good. > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 10 Apr 2021, at 20:29, techtone via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Had our second jab yesterday (AstraZ) and neither of us too bad >> today, just lacking in get up and go. After the first, Heather was >> relatively OK, but I spent the next day 'wading through treacle' >> absolutely floored, went to bed early and slept for almost 10 hours, >> but fine again thereafter. >> >> Hope you all successfully get both doses, and don't suffer any >> serious after effects. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 11 16:38:55 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 22:38:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2c852f31-1279-aed4-b330-ef633d8bb8b8@zero51.force9.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Apr 11 16:58:27 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 22:58:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <596B3F980A09451084229D26D2716543@0023242e4e14> References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> <591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> <596B3F980A09451084229D26D2716543@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Thanks David, In our case of the missing Ipaq, PDA, ?,? it was during a definite series, maybe the first at TVC and probably John Fisher produced. Crew Seven had a virtual monopoly on them for years. Peter On 11/04/2021 20:18, David Brunt wrote: > Although the Daniels series started in 1979, he did isolated one-off > TVC shows in 1977. > > Plus runs in 1975 and 1976 in BBC Manchester. A Pebble Mill, A Jim'll > Fix It in the Theatre, etc... > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 7:46 PM > To: Dave Plowman ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering > > When did you leave Dave? Paul Daniels started his regular series at the > Beeb in 1979. The incident I mentioned could be in that year or early > eighties.? There was a TC8 sound desk theft around that time, although > the story as told implied it was the whole desk! Maybe it was the same > event, with some poetic licence. > iirc the disappearance was eventually ascribed to Neil. It was mind > boggling imagining some-one making off with a whole sound desk and > certainly not likely to be a one man job. > > P F > > > On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when >> there >> were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added >> burglar alarms. >> >> First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm >> switched off. >> >> And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to >> pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of >> the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of >> modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one >> Studer >> tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. >> >> Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity >> and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use >> its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio >> engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later >> that >> day. >> >> Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd >> thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone >> building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know >> everything >> was nicked? >> >> In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, >> ??? dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of >>> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the >>> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all >>> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen >>> cars >>> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, >>> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received >>> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He >>> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to >>> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all >>> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could >>> reclaim! Cheers, Dave > > From saranewman at hotmail.com Sun Apr 11 17:06:35 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 22:06:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Boom mishaps and Hamlet In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: One night I had a car home. It was a Friday from a Newsnight derig I shared it home via East London with a internal detective. We got talking because we had to navigate the Brixton riots and a big detour so time was on our side After this I shared several lifts home. After the issues I had It did cross my mind that it wasn?t just a co-incidence I found myself sharing a car with him to BH several times afterwards.He shared the following . He was instrumental in ?sorting out? the blokes from wardrobe/dressers who had ?borrowed? dresses for their Ball!??. Borrowing was in his book stealing. The wood from scenery was no longer there as scraps Anything in the biffa bins was not waste but belonged to the bin owners even scrap paper/ scripts floor plans etc and finally I shared a car with him after the Val Doonican Xmas show and he told me that the Xmas decorations that I had secretly put in my bag care of Yvonne were in fact property of BBC but he would overlook it as it was Xmas ? He was obsessive in his job. He told me other things that I cannot remember now but a really scary jobsworth Pity they were so concerned with stealing of property but not with other things at the time Sarax Sent from my iPad > On 9 Apr 2021, at 16:08, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Mike Gile's comment...'I rather fancy it was the gent who was later jailed for stealing BBC equipment, but it was before my time at TVC, so I rely on others to verify!' > > I understand this was a certain gentleman called Foster, and that when equipment went missing (and subsequently recovered) it became known as 'Fostering'! > > At the time this was happening, I was the tech advisor to the national association for talking newspapers (TNs), while my opposite number for hospital radio organisations (HRS), was Pete Dixon, usually to be found in Sound Maintenance at TVC. > > Pete and I were in regular contact to keep up-to-date on what was happening in the two organisations. It was Pete who told me about equipment going missing and I warned TNs. > > A couple of Quad 50s were bought by an unsuspecting HRS from Mr.Foster. Pete was called in to a senior manager who asked him to relay to the HRS that no action was to be taken against them as they had bought in good faith and would he pass on this information. > > I understand that Mr.Foster was rumbled when an Aston Capgen that had been removed from TVC, was bought by another TV company and when it went faulty, was taken to the makers for repair. When the serial number was checked, it showed up as stolen and a backtrack was done on how the new owners had come to buy the equipment. > > Ref: Hamlet...I found the attached comment in a book called 'Coming to you Live' about TV in the 40s and 50s (although some stories are in the 60s). > > Dave Buckley > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.avast.com%2Fantivirus&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ce70b229d0b8a4bca3f0808d8fb6946ca%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637535777008948573%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=xwTLUKEAc9Y7GDkNfeD4iiT%2BSiLIjkeD%2BJZdMkGSqwc%3D&reserved=0 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Apr 11 17:43:25 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 23:43:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <2c852f31-1279-aed4-b330-ef633d8bb8b8@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <2c852f31-1279-aed4-b330-ef633d8bb8b8@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: I can offer a bit of first hand into this thread, told with honesty if not supported by cast iron proof. When we bought our cottage in the hills back in 1980 the water supply was from a private spring, only dug a couple of years earlier to replace the totally unreliable previous source which was merely a land drain discharging over an open sump in the garden. Many cottages in isolated locations like ours depended on such sources, as mains water provision was often a next to impossible proposition. When we heard locally that divining was sometimes the route to finding water we pretty much thought ?snake oil? but as experience of what was going on around us increased, our scepticism decreased. Admittedly there were installation folk with intimate knowledge of underground water courses gained over many years of practical experience, but the diviners could find water, estimate the depth required to tap into same and often give an opinion as to the likely reliability of the source. Our own spring was several hundred yards away up the hillside and fed a 600 gallon below ground concrete reservoir, flowing in at the bottom and out through a top overflow into an adjacent ditch on a continuous throughput basis. Our supply was tapped off fairly low down in alkathene pipe and conveyed below ground all the way to the cottage where it emerged in a corner of the garden with a stop-tap on the end. We had large scale map diagrams showing the route so experimented by holding bent welding rods and walking across the line of the buried pipe at right angles to it. The consequence was not some mild ?did it or didn?t it? movement but a no nonsense complete swing of both rods from pointing straight ahead to 90 deg side position. We used friends who didn?t know where the buried pipe lay but produced the same result when offered the rods. Over a period of time we tried other locations and in short became convinced that the process really is something more than a con trick for canny countrymen to hoodwink townies with. So there you go ? I?m sure some won?t be persuaded but I?ve no axe to grind and half expect to be shot down by superior tech brains! Dave Newbitt. From: Peter Fox via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 10:38 PM To: techtone Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Well exactly Tony, I said it was a bit spooky. It's more dramatic with a wire bent in a V shape or less likely to be available a suitable hazel twig. Gas welding rod is quite handy because you can easily bend it half way and yet it's springy enough to fight back. You tend to resist the mild twitching by gripping harder and also springing the ends of the V that you are holding outwards thus building up tension in the system. Finally a twitch will overcome your efforts to steady the system which has now become very unstable and you get a dramatic and uncontrollable dip or up-swing. Have you have amplified a subliminal signal? On Crew Eighteen, mid seventies, Pete Leverick, Geoff Dudley and yours truly spent a few afternoons prospecting the site of the yet unbuilt multistory car park using L shaped rods (probably salvaged from discarded lighting gel holders or some such). We reached a conclusion that there was a drainage system or something similar running diagonally right across the site. And we left it that because we really couldn't be arsed to dig up the car park to find out. The theory was that American troops used them in Vietnam (or wherever) to find mines. But there was a distinct lack of any surviving protagonists to verify the truth of that story. I still find it amusing to occasionally look for something using a divining V, for example our water meter tends to disappear under thick grass as does the socket for the washing line. But I get more luck with a metal detector. It remains an intriguing effect though, Is there a spring? is that where the water main comes in? It doesn't work for everybody but that might just be because they don't really try. Just in case it works. PF On 11/04/2021 21:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote: Like you, as a youth I was extremely sceptical when I heard tales of water diving and twitching hazel twigs etc. However, you may remember there was a time in 1967 or 68, when Pres A was being refurbished (not, I think, for colour, but I could be wrong on that score) and a downstairs room in the spur was put into service as the studio for weather, etc. with 3 EMI vidicon cameras. As an aside, before the main tale, I also did the 'auditions' for Jack Scott there before he became a full time weatherman. I also did my first spells of directing/mixing for the lunch time weather whilst a certain director spent the time in the club, all excellent experience! Anyhow, one morning I arrived at least 20 minutes early for the morning session to find Algie (remember Algie, studio engineer with odd quirks) holding a couple of metal tubes, one in each hand, with an L-shaped metal rod in each of them, the shorter base of the L in the tube, thus two rods pointing out in front of him, and wandering rather aimlessly around the studio. Somewhat bemused, I asked what he was doing, and so he gave me the rods and tubes to hold, and told me to walk across the middle of the studio. So I ambled across the floor with the rods sticking straight out in front of me, and halfway across the rods swung outwards BY THEMSELVES. That was one of the most staggering moments of my life, as, not only was it unexpected, but went against all my preconceptions of what might happen. Yes, he said, that's what I found. He told me that they were Post Office diving rods, and thus suited to tracing underground cables. Needless to say, I read up on as many books I could find in the local library on the subject of divining, but couldn't find anything that really helped me form a realistic conclusion. So I'm now open-minded when I hear tales of auras, premonitions, etc. 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.' Hamlet Maybe I should see if there's a U3A divining group, complete with rods, twigs, bobs, and all the other accoutrements mentioned in the books. And I'd be interested to know of any of you who've personally experienced anything similar. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Apr 11 18:41:01 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 00:41:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: References: <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4@btinternet.com> <591b921129davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <591bbaf33edavesound@btinternet.com> I left in '76, Peter. And do remember the press hyping up the TC8 story, since it involved TOTP. They talked about the entire consul being stolen - IIRC, they had to remove the window and fork lift it in from the studio floor, when it was installed. I think they also said the show had to be cancelled when in fact even the rehearsals were barely touched. It was perhaps the first time I learned not to believe every word you read in the press. From first hand experience. In article , Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > When did you leave Dave? Paul Daniels started his regular series at the > Beeb in 1979. The incident I mentioned could be in that year or early > eighties. There was a TC8 sound desk theft around that time, although > the story as told implied it was the whole desk! Maybe it was the same > event, with some poetic licence. > iirc the disappearance was eventually ascribed to Neil. It was mind > boggling imagining some-one making off with a whole sound desk and > certainly not likely to be a one man job. > P F > On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there > > were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added > > burglar alarms. > > > > First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm > > switched off. > > > > And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to > > pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of > > the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of > > modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer > > tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. > > > > Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity > > and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use > > its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio > > engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that > > day. > > > > Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd > > thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone > > building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything > > was nicked? > > > > In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, > > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > >> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of > >> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the > >> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all > >> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars > >> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, > >> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received > >> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He > >> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to > >> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all > >> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could > >> reclaim! Cheers, Dave > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From phider at gmx.com Mon Apr 12 02:56:37 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 08:56:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <591bbaf33edavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1MsYqp-1locbb3hHP-00tzVi@mail.gmx.net> My recollection of the TC8 sound desk theft was that, so the story goes, Neil installed the stolen desk in a hospital radio studio. The hospital could then benefit from being able to do a good balance of the London Symphony? Orchestra for playing 'Moon River' for Myrtle in Ward? 8.PeterSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Date: 12/04/2021 00:46 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering I left in '76, Peter. And do remember the press hyping up the TC8 story,since it involved TOTP. They talked about the entire consul being stolen -IIRC, they had to remove the window and fork lift it in from the studiofloor, when it was installed. I think they also said the show had to becancelled when in fact even the rehearsals were barely touched. It was perhaps the first time I learned not to believe every word you readin the press. From first hand experience.?? In article ,?? Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:> When did you leave Dave? Paul Daniels started his regular series at the > Beeb in 1979. The incident I mentioned could be in that year or early > eighties.? There was a TC8 sound desk theft around that time, although > the story as told implied it was the whole desk! Maybe it was the same > event, with some poetic licence.>?? iirc the disappearance was eventually ascribed to Neil. It was mind > boggling imagining some-one making off with a whole sound desk and > certainly not likely to be a one man job.> P F> On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:> > I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there> > were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added> > burglar alarms.> >> > First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm> > switched off.> >> > And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to> > pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of> > the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of> > modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer> > tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley.> >> > Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity> > and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use> > its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio> > engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that> > day.> >> > Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd> > thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone> > building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything> > was nicked?> >> > In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>,> >???? dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:> >> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of> >> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the> >> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all> >> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars> >> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle,> >> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received> >> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult? situation! He> >> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to> >> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all> >> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could> >> reclaim! Cheers, Dave> ---- ??? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12??? -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Apr 12 04:10:06 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:10:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <2c852f31-1279-aed4-b330-ef633d8bb8b8@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> We filmed diviners for a NHU magazine prog in the late 70s. Very convincing event, I had a go, very positive reaction using welding rods My assistant tried on his property just outside Bath and got a good result. He was 2 miles from mains supply It works. Roger > On 11 Apr 2021, at 23:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > I can offer a bit of first hand into this thread, told with honesty if not supported by cast iron proof. > > When we bought our cottage in the hills back in 1980 the water supply was from a private spring, only dug a couple of years earlier to replace the totally unreliable previous source which was merely a land drain discharging over an open sump in the garden. Many cottages in isolated locations like ours depended on such sources, as mains water provision was often a next to impossible proposition. When we heard locally that divining was sometimes the route to finding water we pretty much thought ?snake oil? but as experience of what was going on around us increased, our scepticism decreased. > > Admittedly there were installation folk with intimate knowledge of underground water courses gained over many years of practical experience, but the diviners could find water, estimate the depth required to tap into same and often give an opinion as to the likely reliability of the source. Our own spring was several hundred yards away up the hillside and fed a 600 gallon below ground concrete reservoir, flowing in at the bottom and out through a top overflow into an adjacent ditch on a continuous throughput basis. Our supply was tapped off fairly low down in alkathene pipe and conveyed below ground all the way to the cottage where it emerged in a corner of the garden with a stop-tap on the end. We had large scale map diagrams showing the route so experimented by holding bent welding rods and walking across the line of the buried pipe at right angles to it. > > The consequence was not some mild ?did it or didn?t it? movement but a no nonsense complete swing of both rods from pointing straight ahead to 90 deg side position. We used friends who didn?t know where the buried pipe lay but produced the same result when offered the rods. Over a period of time we tried other locations and in short became convinced that the process really is something more than a con trick for canny countrymen to hoodwink townies with. > > So there you go ? I?m sure some won?t be persuaded but I?ve no axe to grind and half expect to be shot down by superior tech brains! > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Peter Fox via Tech1 <> > Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 10:38 PM > To: techtone <> > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining > > Well exactly Tony, I said it was a bit spooky. It's more dramatic with a wire bent in a V shape or less likely to be available a suitable hazel twig. Gas welding rod is quite handy because you can easily bend it half way and yet it's springy enough to fight back. You tend to resist the mild twitching by gripping harder and also springing the ends of the V that you are holding outwards thus building up tension in the system. Finally a twitch will overcome your efforts to steady the system which has now become very unstable and you get a dramatic and uncontrollable dip or up-swing. Have you have amplified a subliminal signal? > On Crew Eighteen, mid seventies, Pete Leverick, Geoff Dudley and yours truly spent a few afternoons prospecting the site of the yet unbuilt multistory car park using L shaped rods (probably salvaged from discarded lighting gel holders or some such). We reached a conclusion that there was a drainage system or something similar running diagonally right across the site. And we left it that because we really couldn't be arsed to dig up the car park to find out. The theory was that American troops used them in Vietnam (or wherever) to find mines. But there was a distinct lack of any surviving protagonists to verify the truth of that story. I still find it amusing to occasionally look for something using a divining V, for example our water meter tends to disappear under thick grass as does the socket for the washing line. But I get more luck with a metal detector. It remains an intriguing effect though, Is there a spring? is that where the water main comes in? It doesn't work for everybody but that might just be because they don't really try. Just in case it works. > > PF > > > On 11/04/2021 21:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> Like you, as a youth I was extremely sceptical when I heard tales of water diving and twitching hazel twigs etc. However, you may remember there was a time in 1967 or 68, when Pres A was being refurbished (not, I think, for colour, but I could be wrong on that score) and a downstairs room in the spur was put into service as the studio for weather, etc. with 3 EMI vidicon cameras. As an aside, before the main tale, I also did the 'auditions' for Jack Scott there before he became a full time weatherman. I also did my first spells of directing/mixing for the lunch time weather whilst a certain director spent the time in the club, all excellent experience! >> >> Anyhow, one morning I arrived at least 20 minutes early for the morning session to find Algie (remember Algie, studio engineer with odd quirks) holding a couple of metal tubes, one in each hand, with an L-shaped metal rod in each of them, the shorter base of the L in the tube, thus two rods pointing out in front of him, and wandering rather aimlessly around the studio. Somewhat bemused, I asked what he was doing, and so he gave me the rods and tubes to hold, and told me to walk across the middle of the studio. So I ambled across the floor with the rods sticking straight out in front of me, and halfway across the rods swung outwards BY THEMSELVES. >> >> That was one of the most staggering moments of my life, as, not only was it unexpected, but went against all my preconceptions of what might happen. Yes, he said, that's what I found. He told me that they were Post Office diving rods, and thus suited to tracing underground cables. >> >> Needless to say, I read up on as many books I could find in the local library on the subject of divining, but couldn't find anything that really helped me form a realistic conclusion. So I'm now open-minded when I hear tales of auras, premonitions, etc. >> >> 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, >> Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.' >> Hamlet >> >> Maybe I should see if there's a U3A divining group, complete with rods, twigs, bobs, and all the other accoutrements mentioned in the books. And I'd be interested to know of any of you who've personally experienced anything similar. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 12 04:22:46 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:22:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I used to know an artist who?s wife was an archaeological diviner. She would divine stonework and other features hidden beneath the surface. She?s not very welcome on digs as divining is regarded as quackery. They prefer scientific approaches such as geophysics, but she has had some remarkable successes. Alan Taylor > On 12 Apr 2021, at 10:10, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We filmed diviners for a NHU magazine prog in the late 70s. > Very convincing event, I had a go, very positive reaction using welding rods > My assistant tried on his property just outside Bath and got a good result. > He was 2 miles from mains supply > It works. > > Roger > >> On 11 Apr 2021, at 23:43, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I can offer a bit of first hand into this thread, told with honesty if not supported by cast iron proof. >> >> When we bought our cottage in the hills back in 1980 the water supply was from a private spring, only dug a couple of years earlier to replace the totally unreliable previous source which was merely a land drain discharging over an open sump in the garden. Many cottages in isolated locations like ours depended on such sources, as mains water provision was often a next to impossible proposition. When we heard locally that divining was sometimes the route to finding water we pretty much thought ?snake oil? but as experience of what was going on around us increased, our scepticism decreased. >> >> Admittedly there were installation folk with intimate knowledge of underground water courses gained over many years of practical experience, but the diviners could find water, estimate the depth required to tap into same and often give an opinion as to the likely reliability of the source. Our own spring was several hundred yards away up the hillside and fed a 600 gallon below ground concrete reservoir, flowing in at the bottom and out through a top overflow into an adjacent ditch on a continuous throughput basis. Our supply was tapped off fairly low down in alkathene pipe and conveyed below ground all the way to the cottage where it emerged in a corner of the garden with a stop-tap on the end. We had large scale map diagrams showing the route so experimented by holding bent welding rods and walking across the line of the buried pipe at right angles to it. >> >> The consequence was not some mild ?did it or didn?t it? movement but a no nonsense complete swing of both rods from pointing straight ahead to 90 deg side position. We used friends who didn?t know where the buried pipe lay but produced the same result when offered the rods. Over a period of time we tried other locations and in short became convinced that the process really is something more than a con trick for canny countrymen to hoodwink townies with. >> >> So there you go ? I?m sure some won?t be persuaded but I?ve no axe to grind and half expect to be shot down by superior tech brains! >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> From: Peter Fox via Tech1 >> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2021 10:38 PM >> To: techtone >> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >> >> Well exactly Tony, I said it was a bit spooky. It's more dramatic with a wire bent in a V shape or less likely to be available a suitable hazel twig. Gas welding rod is quite handy because you can easily bend it half way and yet it's springy enough to fight back. You tend to resist the mild twitching by gripping harder and also springing the ends of the V that you are holding outwards thus building up tension in the system. Finally a twitch will overcome your efforts to steady the system which has now become very unstable and you get a dramatic and uncontrollable dip or up-swing. Have you have amplified a subliminal signal? >> On Crew Eighteen, mid seventies, Pete Leverick, Geoff Dudley and yours truly spent a few afternoons prospecting the site of the yet unbuilt multistory car park using L shaped rods (probably salvaged from discarded lighting gel holders or some such). We reached a conclusion that there was a drainage system or something similar running diagonally right across the site. And we left it that because we really couldn't be arsed to dig up the car park to find out. The theory was that American troops used them in Vietnam (or wherever) to find mines. But there was a distinct lack of any surviving protagonists to verify the truth of that story. I still find it amusing to occasionally look for something using a divining V, for example our water meter tends to disappear under thick grass as does the socket for the washing line. But I get more luck with a metal detector. It remains an intriguing effect though, Is there a spring? is that where the water main comes in? It doesn't work for everybody but that might just be because they don't really try. Just in case it works. >> >> PF >> >> >> On 11/04/2021 21:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>> Like you, as a youth I was extremely sceptical when I heard tales of water diving and twitching hazel twigs etc. However, you may remember there was a time in 1967 or 68, when Pres A was being refurbished (not, I think, for colour, but I could be wrong on that score) and a downstairs room in the spur was put into service as the studio for weather, etc. with 3 EMI vidicon cameras. As an aside, before the main tale, I also did the 'auditions' for Jack Scott there before he became a full time weatherman. I also did my first spells of directing/mixing for the lunch time weather whilst a certain director spent the time in the club, all excellent experience! >>> >>> Anyhow, one morning I arrived at least 20 minutes early for the morning session to find Algie (remember Algie, studio engineer with odd quirks) holding a couple of metal tubes, one in each hand, with an L-shaped metal rod in each of them, the shorter base of the L in the tube, thus two rods pointing out in front of him, and wandering rather aimlessly around the studio. Somewhat bemused, I asked what he was doing, and so he gave me the rods and tubes to hold, and told me to walk across the middle of the studio. So I ambled across the floor with the rods sticking straight out in front of me, and halfway across the rods swung outwards BY THEMSELVES. >>> >>> That was one of the most staggering moments of my life, as, not only was it unexpected, but went against all my preconceptions of what might happen. Yes, he said, that's what I found. He told me that they were Post Office diving rods, and thus suited to tracing underground cables. >>> >>> Needless to say, I read up on as many books I could find in the local library on the subject of divining, but couldn't find anything that really helped me form a realistic conclusion. So I'm now open-minded when I hear tales of auras, premonitions, etc. >>> >>> 'There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, >>> Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.' >>> Hamlet >>> >>> Maybe I should see if there's a U3A divining group, complete with rods, twigs, bobs, and all the other accoutrements mentioned in the books. 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URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Mon Apr 12 04:49:14 2021 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 10:49:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <1MsYqp-1locbb3hHP-00tzVi@mail.gmx.net> References: <1MsYqp-1locbb3hHP-00tzVi@mail.gmx.net> Message-ID: <7BFAF608-C032-4AB5-BA91-566E8857B65C@btinternet.com> I was in TC8 the morning after the theft. A Studer B62 was missing from its trolley and the EMX unit taken from the RH side of the desk. I don?t recall the whole desk being missing though. Barry. On 12 Apr 2021, at 08:56, phider via Tech1 wrote: > My recollection of the TC8 sound desk theft was that, so the story goes, Neil installed the stolen desk in a hospital radio studio. The hospital could then benefit from being able to do a good balance of the London Symphony Orchestra for playing 'Moon River' for Myrtle in Ward 8. > Peter > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Date: 12/04/2021 00:46 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering > > I left in '76, Peter. And do remember the press hyping up the TC8 story, > since it involved TOTP. They talked about the entire consul being stolen - > IIRC, they had to remove the window and fork lift it in from the studio > floor, when it was installed. I think they also said the show had to be > cancelled when in fact even the rehearsals were barely touched. > > It was perhaps the first time I learned not to believe every word you read > in the press. From first hand experience. > > > > In article , > Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > When did you leave Dave? Paul Daniels started his regular series at the > > Beeb in 1979. The incident I mentioned could be in that year or early > > eighties. There was a TC8 sound desk theft around that time, although > > the story as told implied it was the whole desk! Maybe it was the same > > event, with some poetic licence. > > iirc the disappearance was eventually ascribed to Neil. It was mind > > boggling imagining some-one making off with a whole sound desk and > > certainly not likely to be a one man job. > > > P F > > > > On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there > > > were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added > > > burglar alarms. > > > > > > First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm > > > switched off. > > > > > > And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to > > > pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of > > > the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of > > > modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer > > > tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. > > > > > > Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity > > > and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use > > > its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio > > > engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that > > > day. > > > > > > Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd > > > thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone > > > building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything > > > was nicked? > > > > > > In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, > > > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > >> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of > > >> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the > > >> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all > > >> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars > > >> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, > > >> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received > > >> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He > > >> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to > > >> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all > > >> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could > > >> reclaim! Cheers, Dave > > > > -- > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Apr 12 05:09:36 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:09:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <7BFAF608-C032-4AB5-BA91-566E8857B65C@btinternet.com> References: <1MsYqp-1locbb3hHP-00tzVi@mail.gmx.net> <7BFAF608-C032-4AB5-BA91-566E8857B65C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <591bf47f4adavesound@btinternet.com> It was modules which were simply unplugged. The common ones like the mic amps etc they had spares for and were quickly replaced. But there were a couple of specials that contained things like the TX lights switching that there weren't spares for. ISTR the studio engineers made up plugs to fit the desk body connectors to do that job. You then plugged the appropriate one in to give rehearsal or TX mode. Until a new panel could be made up. The entire desk was far to big to go through the door. I'd guess they left the Studer trolley as it was too big to carry. In article <7BFAF608-C032-4AB5-BA91-566E8857B65C at btinternet.com>, Barry Bonner wrote: > I was in TC8 the morning after the theft. A Studer B62 was missing from its trolley and the EMX unit taken from the RH side of the desk. I don?t recall the whole desk being missing though. > Barry. > On 12 Apr 2021, at 08:56, phider via Tech1 wrote: > > My recollection of the TC8 sound desk theft was that, so the story goes, Neil installed the stolen desk in a hospital radio studio. The hospital could then benefit from being able to do a good balance of the London Symphony Orchestra for playing 'Moon River' for Myrtle in Ward 8. > > Peter > > > > > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > Date: 12/04/2021 00:46 (GMT+00:00) > > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering > > > > I left in '76, Peter. And do remember the press hyping up the TC8 story, > > since it involved TOTP. They talked about the entire consul being stolen - > > IIRC, they had to remove the window and fork lift it in from the studio > > floor, when it was installed. I think they also said the show had to be > > cancelled when in fact even the rehearsals were barely touched. > > > > It was perhaps the first time I learned not to believe every word you read > > in the press. From first hand experience. > > > > > > > > In article , > > Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > > When did you leave Dave? Paul Daniels started his regular series at the > > > Beeb in 1979. The incident I mentioned could be in that year or early > > > eighties. There was a TC8 sound desk theft around that time, although > > > the story as told implied it was the whole desk! Maybe it was the same > > > event, with some poetic licence. > > > iirc the disappearance was eventually ascribed to Neil. It was mind > > > boggling imagining some-one making off with a whole sound desk and > > > certainly not likely to be a one man job. > > > > > P F > > > > > > > On 11/04/2021 17:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > I think Mr Foster may have been after my time. But do remember when there > > > > were so many thefts they started locking control rooms and even added > > > > burglar alarms. > > > > > > > > First to arrive would pic up the keys from reception and have the alarm > > > > switched off. > > > > > > > > And I remember being early for a TOTP recording day. In TC8. So went to > > > > pick up the keys, etc. Was surprised to find the corridor to the back of > > > > the SCR in darkness. Groped my way and found the door open. And loads of > > > > modules from the Type D sound desk removed. Along with at least one Studer > > > > tape machine - removed from its BBC trolley. > > > > > > > > Think our own John Howell was the SS, who showed considerable ingenuity > > > > and patched everything through to TC7, which was 'dark' that day, to use > > > > its sound desk. And rehearsals went ahead with little delay. The studio > > > > engineers worked their b***s off, and got the TC8 desk working later that > > > > day. > > > > > > > > Never did hear who nicked that gear. The Type D stuff being a very odd > > > > thing to steal - I could have more understood Neve. Presumably someone > > > > building their own studio - but then anyone using it would know everything > > > > was nicked? > > > > > > > > In article <74323b4a-d71f-45d0-15e1-faed5ef7f0a4 at btinternet.com>, > > > > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > > >> Quite right in your analasis, Dave. I bought a load (legitably! ) of > > > >> Stereo PPMs from Neil which were a cancelled export order from the > > > >> Middle East. When the security people found about who was removing all > > > >> the equipment from TVC and went to his home they found half a dozen cars > > > >> stolen from the Triangle car-park, the Goodies three seater bicycle, > > > >> crew breif cases, monitors, cameras, etc. The BBC had already received > > > >> the insurance payouts for the items so it was a difficult situation! He > > > >> had equipped a local hospital radio station and they were allowed to > > > >> keep the gear. There was a large space at the back of TC8 in which all > > > >> of the stolen goods were displayed for people who had lost stuff could > > > >> reclaim! Cheers, Dave > > > > > > > -- > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From phider at gmx.com Mon Apr 12 05:25:29 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:25:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1MTzb8-1l65Rw2zZ4-00Qy4u@mail.gmx.net> I'd never heard of a grand piano being taken from BH but I can vouch for one of Plaquet's being lift from TC4. We did an orchestral concert with an eminent pianist, name forgotten, and as the orchestra were leaving a big removal lorry came up from the Macfarlane gate and two men walked into TC4 with a roller and took the piano with the help of the sceneboys. Unfortunately Plaquet's lorry came in half an hour later.Peter 2 jabs HiderSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Date: 11/04/2021 18:13 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering I?m intrigued to know whether this was before or after I left (1980) and whether I would have known the guy. Such compulsive theft must have been a mental condition, surely?Intrigued too, because not long after I left, I purchased a BTR2 tape deck from a guy who told me it was ex-Radio Luxembourg, and who I met while working on a commercial in St John?s Wood. I built a Mullard ?Type C? playback amp into it for editing, and a wooden coffin for it to live in, but soon realised it was by then a heap of primitive junk and sold it on. There was also a spark who used to hang around commercials studios with a seemingly bottomless bag of expensive microphones he was flogging off, suspiciously cheap. Same guy again, I wonder?I?m also wondering if he?s the same guy who allegedly drew up outside the front of BH with a large van, and persuaded the Commisionaires to help him out from the BH concert hall with a full-size Steinway concert grand piano. (Maybe not!). A nice story, if it was actually true. There was also in the mid eighties, a spate of thefts of PSC cameras from several facilities companies, and a close liaison between them despite being basically in competition with each other in the industry.And, mid eighties I had installed two Neve Melbourn mixer desks at West Surrey College of Art (Farnham), one of which was subsequently stolen. I think that was the moment that Surrey CC asked themselves whether self-insuring (i.e., not insuring) was such a good idea!Mabe it?s time for me to confess that there might have been the odd occasion when I might have accidently taken home a ?British Broadcasting Corporation? toilet roll, printed as you will remember on every sheet. Oh, and the odd foot or two of yellow leader tape.Cheers,Nicolas (excuse caution over the use of word ?Nick?!)Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5> On 11 Apr 2021, at 12:31, Mike via Tech1 wrote:> > ?My Security Card was among the "TC8 Haul" (or maybe it was my Club Pass?) and as its owner was identifiable it was returned to me without my having to search for it - with the comment "Why should he have wanted something so obviously not his?".? Like everybody, I was gobsmacked at Neil's industriousness.> > Mike Minchin> -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phider at gmx.com Mon Apr 12 05:27:32 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:27:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1MLzFx-1lEe3T32Dh-00HvNt@mail.gmx.net> PS Neil Foster was definitely before 1980 as that's when I left cameras for Drama.PSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Date: 11/04/2021 18:13 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering I?m intrigued to know whether this was before or after I left (1980) and whether I would have known the guy. Such compulsive theft must have been a mental condition, surely?Intrigued too, because not long after I left, I purchased a BTR2 tape deck from a guy who told me it was ex-Radio Luxembourg, and who I met while working on a commercial in St John?s Wood. I built a Mullard ?Type C? playback amp into it for editing, and a wooden coffin for it to live in, but soon realised it was by then a heap of primitive junk and sold it on. There was also a spark who used to hang around commercials studios with a seemingly bottomless bag of expensive microphones he was flogging off, suspiciously cheap. Same guy again, I wonder?I?m also wondering if he?s the same guy who allegedly drew up outside the front of BH with a large van, and persuaded the Commisionaires to help him out from the BH concert hall with a full-size Steinway concert grand piano. (Maybe not!). A nice story, if it was actually true. There was also in the mid eighties, a spate of thefts of PSC cameras from several facilities companies, and a close liaison between them despite being basically in competition with each other in the industry.And, mid eighties I had installed two Neve Melbourn mixer desks at West Surrey College of Art (Farnham), one of which was subsequently stolen. I think that was the moment that Surrey CC asked themselves whether self-insuring (i.e., not insuring) was such a good idea!Mabe it?s time for me to confess that there might have been the odd occasion when I might have accidently taken home a ?British Broadcasting Corporation? toilet roll, printed as you will remember on every sheet. Oh, and the odd foot or two of yellow leader tape.Cheers,Nicolas (excuse caution over the use of word ?Nick?!)Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5> On 11 Apr 2021, at 12:31, Mike via Tech1 wrote:> > ?My Security Card was among the "TC8 Haul" (or maybe it was my Club Pass?) and as its owner was identifiable it was returned to me without my having to search for it - with the comment "Why should he have wanted something so obviously not his?".? Like everybody, I was gobsmacked at Neil's industriousness.> > Mike Minchin> -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The board started digging at one end of the road and kept going - couldn't find the pipe, let alone the leak. After a week they called the diviner in - he marched up and down with a version of the L-shaped rods - pointed to a spot half way down the street and told them it was about 10ft down and a clay pipe. He was dead right. Watched the entire event so I have to believe it. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From david.jasma at sky.com Mon Apr 12 05:36:12 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 11:36:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Missing equipment and other stories about the early days of Elstree Centre References: <9f44877e-eaec-c7cc-6240-92668572cd4a.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <9f44877e-eaec-c7cc-6240-92668572cd4a@sky.com> When my department, TV Training, moved to Elstree Centre in 1984, we were 'given' Studio D, which had been ATVs LE studio and had fixed audience seating along one of the longer walls. (We ran it for three years then had to give it up for Allo, Allo in the first instance). I was given the job of sorting out a very big Neve desk, which could cope with 96 channels if required! However, the first obvious problem was that the fronts of the SCR loudspeakers were missing. These were LS8s, but the Quad 405s that fed them (one half of the amp looking after bass while the other half the rest of the frequency range) hadn't been touched. It was obvious that someone wanted to build a set of speakers and although the amplifiers were easy to get and the LS boxes could be built, the various components for the cross-over units etc, were special, so nicking the fronts was an easy way round the problem. I, and also the engineers in studio C who were putting together ex-TVC gear ready for the start of EastEnders, found that any switch that could be turned off, was, and some of them were in strange places! In the production control room, I removed a very large push button switch marked 'applause' which illuminated signs above the audience (for obvious reasons). I also had to install SWTB, and the radio TB for production and lighting. However, I left the attenuators out of the aerials, which meant that the both TBs extended as far as the BBC Club about 100-150 yards away which could be useful at times. One feature I built into the lighting TB was 'talkthrough' whereby two people with Floor Manager units could talk to each other. This was very useful setting up audience PA levels for when we hosted a meeting of the Guild of TV Cameramen, shortly after moving into Elstree. However, it was in the Central Technical Area where the most 'damage' could be seen. Just inside the door had been what appeared to be a large sound jackfield system. Instead of carefully unsoldering the panels, someone had hacksawed through the cable bundles to the jackfields so they just ended in mid-air. Elsewhere, VTRs and other moveable equipment had been removed just leaving the control bays and interconnecting sound and vision cables behind in the cubicles. Later on, this area became the production area for Newsroom Southeast. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 06:01:00 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:01:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> Someone mentioned their water meter.... We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay.?? My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed.? The one inside is an ancient tap.? Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. What experiences have people had? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Apr 12 07:43:15 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:43:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;} Chris Woolf On 12/04/2021 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Someone mentioned their water meter.... > > We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer > will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay.?? My > concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level > outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed.? > The one inside is an ancient tap.? Apparently if they come and change > the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less > surface mounted off switch. > > What experiences have people had? > > B > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 12 07:46:12 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 12:46:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> , <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Soon after we moved here two years ago, I noticed that there was a trickle of water seeping from the meter cover out on the pavement, and down the mud-filled hole you couldn?t actually see the meter at all. It suddenly got a lot worse in January, so I called Thames Water, who came and dug up the pavement and fixed the leak. Only about ten days ago a bloke came around to read all the water meters in the area, but knocked on our front door to say the meter was missing, and did I know anything about it? Turns out the leak was from a faulty meter that had at some point stopped spinning, and the repair was only a temporary fix till a new one could be fitted. But that hadn?t happened. The pity is that for two Summers, I?ve been saving every drop of rainwater for the garden, not wanting to use the mains automatic watering system. So as it turns out I could have left it running without a care for meter readings! When we moved in, Thames Water set up a new account for us with a monthly water direct debit of ?64 per month, based on two occupants, and when the leaky meter was removed, a refund of ?480 was issued to us, based on its then reading. A new direct debit for 2021-2022 has been set at ?24. I?m waiting to see whether they will want the refund back, and/or will realise that the ?24 estimate is way off target. Hopefully neither of those - we?ll have to wait and see what happens next! A few years ago, I worked on a Panorama item on the unfairness of water meters, and coincidentally, most of it was shot very close to here in Cranleigh, where if you lived on one side of the Ewhurst Road you weren?t metered and could leave your lawn sprinklers running as much as you like. But on the other side of the same road the residents were metered, and terrified to see the numbers counting up all the time. With residents on the metered side, we did a succession of those dreadful interviews where the interviewer drills away relentlessly until he finally gets the poor victim to give the one-line answer he/she wants, but with bloodshot eyes and floods of tears running down his face! I can recognise that blatantly obvious technique a mile off in progs like The Repair Shop and DIY SOS, etc. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Someone mentioned their water meter.... > > We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. > > What experiences have people had? > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon Apr 12 07:55:14 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:55:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fostering In-Reply-To: <1MTzb8-1l65Rw2zZ4-00Qy4u@mail.gmx.net> References: <1MTzb8-1l65Rw2zZ4-00Qy4u@mail.gmx.net> Message-ID: <187AC1EE-A97A-41D4-8599-7A1F07F3F2BB@mac.com> I don?t think the grand piano was taken from BH - it was one of the studios fairly nearby, but it?s name escapes me - something Street, I fancy. I went there during a course at The Langham and the SM referred to the incident. Mike G > On 12 Apr 2021, at 11:25, phider via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I'd never heard of a grand piano being taken from BH but I can vouch for one of Plaquet's being lift from TC4. We did an orchestral concert with an eminent pianist, name forgotten, and as the orchestra were leaving a big removal lorry came up from the Macfarlane gate and two men walked into TC4 with a roller and took the piano with the help of the sceneboys. Unfortunately Plaquet's lorry came in half an hour later. > > Peter 2 jabs Hider > > > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Date: 11/04/2021 18:13 (GMT+00:00) > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fostering > > I?m intrigued to know whether this was before or after I left (1980) and whether I would have known the guy. Such compulsive theft must have been a mental condition, surely? > Intrigued too, because not long after I left, I purchased a BTR2 tape deck from a guy who told me it was ex-Radio Luxembourg, and who I met while working on a commercial in St John?s Wood. I built a Mullard ?Type C? playback amp into it for editing, and a wooden coffin for it to live in, but soon realised it was by then a heap of primitive junk and sold it on. There was also a spark who used to hang around commercials studios with a seemingly bottomless bag of expensive microphones he was flogging off, suspiciously cheap. Same guy again, I wonder? > > I?m also wondering if he?s the same guy who allegedly drew up outside the front of BH with a large van, and persuaded the Commisionaires to help him out from the BH concert hall with a full-size Steinway concert grand piano. (Maybe not!). A nice story, if it was actually true. > > There was also in the mid eighties, a spate of thefts of PSC cameras from several facilities companies, and a close liaison between them despite being basically in competition with each other in the industry. > > And, mid eighties I had installed two Neve Melbourn mixer desks at West Surrey College of Art (Farnham), one of which was subsequently stolen. I think that was the moment that Surrey CC asked themselves whether self-insuring (i.e., not insuring) was such a good idea! > > Mabe it?s time for me to confess that there might have been the odd occasion when I might have accidently taken home a ?British Broadcasting Corporation? toilet roll, printed as you will remember on every sheet. Oh, and the odd foot or two of yellow leader tape. > > Cheers, > Nicolas (excuse caution over the use of word ?Nick?!) > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 11 Apr 2021, at 12:31, Mike via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ?My Security Card was among the "TC8 Haul" (or maybe it was my Club Pass?) and as its owner was identifiable it was returned to me without my having to search for it - with the comment "Why should he have wanted something so obviously not his?". Like everybody, I was gobsmacked at Neil's industriousness. > > > > Mike Minchin > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 12 08:02:08 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:02:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining Message-ID: ?My wife?s late Mum and Dad used to live in a large, but rather remote house not far from you, Chris, near Coombe. Their only water supply when they moved there was a hosepipe running about a hundred yards down through a field, fed from a horse trough! You have to love Kernow! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Apr 2021, at 13:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: ? Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;} Chris Woolf On 12/04/2021 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Someone mentioned their water meter.... We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. What experiences have people had? B [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 12 08:03:21 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 14:03:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FD96FAD-FFDD-4288-AF47-63DA5A1322E9@me.com> When father in law died, in order to wind up his estate, we requested that all utility bills be addressed to us. Thames Water insisted that whenever a new account is opened a meter must be fitted. We weren?t too worried as the house was unoccupied and the new owner would need it anyway. We settled the normal bill prior to the meter being fitted. On the day the meter was installed, I took a photo of the reading, which was a little above zero. The Thames Water van was visible in one shot. When the house was sold, we asked to settle the bill and were presented with a bill for metered usage of about ?50 worth of water. I photographed the meter again and the two readings were indistinguishable. Thames Water were unable to explain why we were being charged for water we hadn?t used and which didn?t reflect the change in the meter readings, but agreed to waive the bill as a special concession! Oddly enough, where I live now is also Thames water, but around here they don?t worry about meters unless you specifically request one. Alan Taylor > On 12 Apr 2021, at 13:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Soon after we moved here two years ago, I noticed that there was a trickle of water seeping from the meter cover out on the pavement, and down the mud-filled hole you couldn?t actually see the meter at all. It suddenly got a lot worse in January, so I called Thames Water, who came and dug up the pavement and fixed the leak. Only about ten days ago a bloke came around to read all the water meters in the area, but knocked on our front door to say the meter was missing, and did I know anything about it? Turns out the leak was from a faulty meter that had at some point stopped spinning, and the repair was only a temporary fix till a new one could be fitted. But that hadn?t happened. The pity is that for two Summers, I?ve been saving every drop of rainwater for the garden, not wanting to use the mains automatic watering system. So as it turns out I could have left it running without a care for meter readings! > > When we moved in, Thames Water set up a new account for us with a monthly water direct debit of ?64 per month, based on two occupants, and when the leaky meter was removed, a refund of ?480 was issued to us, based on its then reading. A new direct debit for 2021-2022 has been set at ?24. I?m waiting to see whether they will want the refund back, and/or will realise that the ?24 estimate is way off target. Hopefully neither of those - we?ll have to wait and see what happens next! > > A few years ago, I worked on a Panorama item on the unfairness of water meters, and coincidentally, most of it was shot very close to here in Cranleigh, where if you lived on one side of the Ewhurst Road you weren?t metered and could leave your lawn sprinklers running as much as you like. But on the other side of the same road the residents were metered, and terrified to see the numbers counting up all the time. With residents on the metered side, we did a succession of those dreadful interviews where the interviewer drills away relentlessly until he finally gets the poor victim to give the one-line answer he/she wants, but with bloodshot eyes and floods of tears running down his face! > > I can recognise that blatantly obvious technique a mile off in progs like The Repair Shop and DIY SOS, etc. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Someone mentioned their water meter.... >> >> We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. >> >> What experiences have people had? >> >> B >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 12 08:30:49 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 13:30:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <4FD96FAD-FFDD-4288-AF47-63DA5A1322E9@me.com> References: , <4FD96FAD-FFDD-4288-AF47-63DA5A1322E9@me.com> Message-ID: I daresay they have to offset the cost of installing the meter against what they expect it to earn. One of my daughters-in-law (a lawyer herself) is high up in Thames Water?s legal department. She?s currently working from home, and likely to long-term, and is earning very nearly ?100k per annum more than the best I ever achieved. Did I say legal? There is no justice! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 12 Apr 2021, at 14:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?When father in law died, in order to wind up his estate, we requested that all utility bills be addressed to us. Thames Water insisted that whenever a new account is opened a meter must be fitted. We weren?t too worried as the house was unoccupied and the new owner would need it anyway. We settled the normal bill prior to the meter being fitted. > > On the day the meter was installed, I took a photo of the reading, which was a little above zero. The Thames Water van was visible in one shot. When the house was sold, we asked to settle the bill and were presented with a bill for metered usage of about ?50 worth of water. I photographed the meter again and the two readings were indistinguishable. > > Thames Water were unable to explain why we were being charged for water we hadn?t used and which didn?t reflect the change in the meter readings, but agreed to waive the bill as a special concession! > > Oddly enough, where I live now is also Thames water, but around here they don?t worry about meters unless you specifically request one. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 12 Apr 2021, at 13:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Soon after we moved here two years ago, I noticed that there was a trickle of water seeping from the meter cover out on the pavement, and down the mud-filled hole you couldn?t actually see the meter at all. It suddenly got a lot worse in January, so I called Thames Water, who came and dug up the pavement and fixed the leak. Only about ten days ago a bloke came around to read all the water meters in the area, but knocked on our front door to say the meter was missing, and did I know anything about it? Turns out the leak was from a faulty meter that had at some point stopped spinning, and the repair was only a temporary fix till a new one could be fitted. But that hadn?t happened. The pity is that for two Summers, I?ve been saving every drop of rainwater for the garden, not wanting to use the mains automatic watering system. So as it turns out I could have left it running without a care for meter readings! >> >> When we moved in, Thames Water set up a new account for us with a monthly water direct debit of ?64 per month, based on two occupants, and when the leaky meter was removed, a refund of ?480 was issued to us, based on its then reading. A new direct debit for 2021-2022 has been set at ?24. I?m waiting to see whether they will want the refund back, and/or will realise that the ?24 estimate is way off target. Hopefully neither of those - we?ll have to wait and see what happens next! >> >> A few years ago, I worked on a Panorama item on the unfairness of water meters, and coincidentally, most of it was shot very close to here in Cranleigh, where if you lived on one side of the Ewhurst Road you weren?t metered and could leave your lawn sprinklers running as much as you like. But on the other side of the same road the residents were metered, and terrified to see the numbers counting up all the time. With residents on the metered side, we did a succession of those dreadful interviews where the interviewer drills away relentlessly until he finally gets the poor victim to give the one-line answer he/she wants, but with bloodshot eyes and floods of tears running down his face! >> >> I can recognise that blatantly obvious technique a mile off in progs like The Repair Shop and DIY SOS, etc. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? Someone mentioned their water meter.... >>> >>> We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. >>> >>> What experiences have people had? >>> >>> B >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Apr 12 08:53:58 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 14:53:58 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab In-Reply-To: <9DAA9699-0447-40DB-B9F5-58DA4E2DF955@gmail.com> References: <6070090d.1c69fb81.5bafb.5b74@mx.google.com> <9DAA9699-0447-40DB-B9F5-58DA4E2DF955@gmail.com> Message-ID: <596a6e6.14311.178c65c43bc.Webtop.108@btinternet.com> I've had an unusually large number of giggly young nurses pushing needles and cannulas into me, over the last year or so, but I've noticed that the official terminology has changed. The now warn me to expect a "Scratch". Presumably, this is to avoid the sniggers which might accompany the other word. These days, if they warned me, "You may feel a bit of a prick", I'd have to admit that that's the way I feel most of the time! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1" To: "patheigham" Cc: "Richard" ; "tech1" ; "Phil" ; "Dave" ; "Pete" ; "Dave" Sent: Friday, 9 Apr, 21 At 21:13 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid jab This is really one for you Pat and it maybe a bit rude but the others can take how they like... My wife went through a course of Chemotherapy at Mount Vernon just over ten years ago (she?s fine now thankfully, before you ask) and I took her and sat with her while she was having it. There were several other patients, mostly ladies in the treatment room at the same time. One was about to have the cannula put in and I heard the nurse said, as they always do, ?You may feel a little prick,? to which the lady quickly replied, ?These days I tell them, unless I feel a big prick I?m not interested?. The lady didn?t look at all happy, unsurprisingly at being there, but at least she hadn?t lost her sense of humour, Regards, Geoff On 9 Apr 2021, at 08:58, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Ouch! I must say that I never felt mine. My father was deployed to North Africa during the War and anyone who could give an injection was pressed into service. Dad said to his chap that he never felt it. Fellow said that he was a vet, and his patients ? bit! My second jab due on May 5th. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 08 April 2021 23:09 To: tech1 ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Covid jab How painful was yours? Not as bad as this one I hope! Cheers, Dave. 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Apr 12 10:39:56 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 16:39:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <4FD96FAD-FFDD-4288-AF47-63DA5A1322E9@me.com> References: <4FD96FAD-FFDD-4288-AF47-63DA5A1322E9@me.com> Message-ID: <1648C65B-87E4-4DF6-A9C9-2FC54BD4B54B@mac.com> Some fifteen or twenty years ago, under Sutton and South East Surrey Water, we were obliged to have a meter because we had an outside tap, but they fitted it for nothing and our water bills dropped dramatically, even though we had a pond which needed topping up from time to time and an automatic watering system for plants in pots. I?m pretty sure that a couple on their own will pay quite a bit less with a meter than without, We moved about ten years ago and our bills have continued at about the same rate. Mike G > On 12 Apr 2021, at 14:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > When father in law died, in order to wind up his estate, we requested that all utility bills be addressed to us. Thames Water insisted that whenever a new account is opened a meter must be fitted. We weren?t too worried as the house was unoccupied and the new owner would need it anyway. We settled the normal bill prior to the meter being fitted. > > On the day the meter was installed, I took a photo of the reading, which was a little above zero. The Thames Water van was visible in one shot. When the house was sold, we asked to settle the bill and were presented with a bill for metered usage of about ?50 worth of water. I photographed the meter again and the two readings were indistinguishable. > > Thames Water were unable to explain why we were being charged for water we hadn?t used and which didn?t reflect the change in the meter readings, but agreed to waive the bill as a special concession! > > Oddly enough, where I live now is also Thames water, but around here they don?t worry about meters unless you specifically request one. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 12 Apr 2021, at 13:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Soon after we moved here two years ago, I noticed that there was a trickle of water seeping from the meter cover out on the pavement, and down the mud-filled hole you couldn?t actually see the meter at all. It suddenly got a lot worse in January, so I called Thames Water, who came and dug up the pavement and fixed the leak. Only about ten days ago a bloke came around to read all the water meters in the area, but knocked on our front door to say the meter was missing, and did I know anything about it? Turns out the leak was from a faulty meter that had at some point stopped spinning, and the repair was only a temporary fix till a new one could be fitted. But that hadn?t happened. The pity is that for two Summers, I?ve been saving every drop of rainwater for the garden, not wanting to use the mains automatic watering system. So as it turns out I could have left it running without a care for meter readings! >> >> When we moved in, Thames Water set up a new account for us with a monthly water direct debit of ?64 per month, based on two occupants, and when the leaky meter was removed, a refund of ?480 was issued to us, based on its then reading. A new direct debit for 2021-2022 has been set at ?24. I?m waiting to see whether they will want the refund back, and/or will realise that the ?24 estimate is way off target. Hopefully neither of those - we?ll have to wait and see what happens next! >> >> A few years ago, I worked on a Panorama item on the unfairness of water meters, and coincidentally, most of it was shot very close to here in Cranleigh, where if you lived on one side of the Ewhurst Road you weren?t metered and could leave your lawn sprinklers running as much as you like. But on the other side of the same road the residents were metered, and terrified to see the numbers counting up all the time. With residents on the metered side, we did a succession of those dreadful interviews where the interviewer drills away relentlessly until he finally gets the poor victim to give the one-line answer he/she wants, but with bloodshot eyes and floods of tears running down his face! >> >> I can recognise that blatantly obvious technique a mile off in progs like The Repair Shop and DIY SOS, etc. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? Someone mentioned their water meter.... >>> >>> We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. >>> >>> What experiences have people had? >>> >>> B >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 12 11:32:01 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:32:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <1648C65B-87E4-4DF6-A9C9-2FC54BD4B54B@mac.com> References: <4FD96FAD-FFDD-4288-AF47-63DA5A1322E9@me.com> <1648C65B-87E4-4DF6-A9C9-2FC54BD4B54B@mac.com> Message-ID: <62BF6F5D-CDEE-4F3B-8CFD-9E70EB16A23E@icloud.com> When we got a meter our bills halved, even watering the garden! The non-metered estimates assume greater occupancy - mutiple teenage daughters monopolising the shower was the example I was given. ? Graeme Wall > On 12 Apr 2021, at 16:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Some fifteen or twenty years ago, under Sutton and South East Surrey Water, we were obliged to have a meter because we had an outside tap, but they fitted it for nothing and our water bills dropped dramatically, even though we had a pond which needed topping up from time to time and an automatic watering system for plants in pots. I?m pretty sure that a couple on their own will pay quite a bit less with a meter than without, We moved about ten years ago and our bills have continued at about the same rate. > > Mike G > >> On 12 Apr 2021, at 14:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> When father in law died, in order to wind up his estate, we requested that all utility bills be addressed to us. Thames Water insisted that whenever a new account is opened a meter must be fitted. We weren?t too worried as the house was unoccupied and the new owner would need it anyway. We settled the normal bill prior to the meter being fitted. >> >> On the day the meter was installed, I took a photo of the reading, which was a little above zero. The Thames Water van was visible in one shot. When the house was sold, we asked to settle the bill and were presented with a bill for metered usage of about ?50 worth of water. I photographed the meter again and the two readings were indistinguishable. >> >> Thames Water were unable to explain why we were being charged for water we hadn?t used and which didn?t reflect the change in the meter readings, but agreed to waive the bill as a special concession! >> >> Oddly enough, where I live now is also Thames water, but around here they don?t worry about meters unless you specifically request one. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 13:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Soon after we moved here two years ago, I noticed that there was a trickle of water seeping from the meter cover out on the pavement, and down the mud-filled hole you couldn?t actually see the meter at all. It suddenly got a lot worse in January, so I called Thames Water, who came and dug up the pavement and fixed the leak. Only about ten days ago a bloke came around to read all the water meters in the area, but knocked on our front door to say the meter was missing, and did I know anything about it? Turns out the leak was from a faulty meter that had at some point stopped spinning, and the repair was only a temporary fix till a new one could be fitted. But that hadn?t happened. The pity is that for two Summers, I?ve been saving every drop of rainwater for the garden, not wanting to use the mains automatic watering system. So as it turns out I could have left it running without a care for meter readings! >>> >>> When we moved in, Thames Water set up a new account for us with a monthly water direct debit of ?64 per month, based on two occupants, and when the leaky meter was removed, a refund of ?480 was issued to us, based on its then reading. A new direct debit for 2021-2022 has been set at ?24. I?m waiting to see whether they will want the refund back, and/or will realise that the ?24 estimate is way off target. Hopefully neither of those - we?ll have to wait and see what happens next! >>> >>> A few years ago, I worked on a Panorama item on the unfairness of water meters, and coincidentally, most of it was shot very close to here in Cranleigh, where if you lived on one side of the Ewhurst Road you weren?t metered and could leave your lawn sprinklers running as much as you like. But on the other side of the same road the residents were metered, and terrified to see the numbers counting up all the time. With residents on the metered side, we did a succession of those dreadful interviews where the interviewer drills away relentlessly until he finally gets the poor victim to give the one-line answer he/she wants, but with bloodshot eyes and floods of tears running down his face! >>> >>> I can recognise that blatantly obvious technique a mile off in progs like The Repair Shop and DIY SOS, etc. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? Someone mentioned their water meter.... >>>> >>>> We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. >>>> >>>> What experiences have people had? >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Apr 12 11:34:15 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:34:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;}? Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jabberment at louisbarfe.com Mon Apr 12 11:42:56 2021 From: jabberment at louisbarfe.com (Louis Barfe) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:42:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Some details of the Pye desk in Type 2 scanners. In-Reply-To: <7597178E-84B3-41AC-A657-729424A7807F@me.com> References: <2a175d8a-cbe5-f961-31e1-fdf48e64ef79@louisbarfe.com> <7597178E-84B3-41AC-A657-729424A7807F@me.com> Message-ID: On 09/04/2021 19:37, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > Is that the Joe Meek of "Telstar" fame? > Indeed it is, Alasdair. He began at IBC on Portland Place (well, he began in his home town of Newent, Gloucestershire, working as a TV and radio repair man for the Midlands Electricity Board, while recording music in his spare time). Denis Preston, who ran a company called Record Supervision and made a lot of jazz records for EMI and Pye, used IBC a lot, and poached Meek when he set up his own studio, Lansdowne. However, they fell out (I think Meek fell out with everyone sooner or later) and Meek went to work for the Saga label. He set up his own studio above a leather goods shop on the Holloway Road and the rest you know. 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URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Apr 12 12:39:00 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 17:39:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;} Chris Woolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 12 12:45:31 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 18:45:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78B9703A-2A0A-46E7-B529-CB431C4D4CDC@me.com> The scientific explanation seems obvious - Divine intervention. Hence the name. Alan Taylor > On 12 Apr 2021, at 18:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? > I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. > Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) >> We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. >> A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! >> Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. >> >> Regards >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >> >> Wot's a water meter? >> >> Borehole and pump;} >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Apr 12 13:02:04 2021 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:02:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Watch the film "Minari". The water diviner wins in the end...John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Date: 12/04/2021 18:39 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. ? Regards Pat ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining ? Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;}? Chris Woolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Apr 12 13:11:47 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:11:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I certainly wouldn't attempt to define the science. But I have witnessed enough, and even tried it out myself, to say that I think you are dealing with something better than just guessing. The indicators - hazel switches, L shaped rods etc - are merely devices which can detect small hand movements graphically. There is no magic in these - the detection is in the person. The evidence does seem to suggest that many people can make divining work in a vague sense, and a few can do it very well. The guy I watched had a run of nearly a 1/4 mile to search over and he picked the right spot almost as fast as he could walk over it. He might have been able to guess at earthenware for the pipe, but the water board clearly rated him for finding leaks that their own guys had given up on. Many animal species can detect hidden water from a great distance, so to assume that man doesn't have remnant ability isn't particularly logical. Chris Woolf On 12 April 2021 18:39:00 BST, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water >divining? >I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge >Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a >slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where >it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that >Sooty would agree. >Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? >Cheers, >Nick. >Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 >wrote: > >? >Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) >We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage >near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, >Matthew. >A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone >him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries >which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came >from! >Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed >irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards >and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a >?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and >there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the >second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump >was installed. > >Regards >Pat > > >Sent from Mail for >Windows 10 > >From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 >Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 >To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining > > >Wot's a water meter? > >Borehole and pump;} > >Chris Woolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Apr 12 13:37:47 2021 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 19:37:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining Message-ID: <5pa0up872ud9gmki57j8sit6.1618246915780@email.android.com> Our water rates with South West Water were very high, almost as much as rates/council tax, but when we switched to metering our bills dropped by over a third. We're not especially frugal with water, although admittedly we don't water the garden much.?My father could divine, with two bent welding rods, and if anyone said ah, it's you, you're moving your hands, he would say yes, but why in that particular place? I don't know. And it was surprisingly accurate, as others have said. Who knows why?.Best wishes ..... Vern?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Date: 12/04/2021 17:32 (GMT+00:00) To: Mike Giles Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining When we got a meter our bills halved, even watering the garden! The non-metered estimates assume greater occupancy - mutiple teenage daughters monopolising the shower was the example I was given.? Graeme Wall> On 12 Apr 2021, at 16:39, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:> > Some fifteen or twenty years ago, under Sutton and South East Surrey Water, we were obliged to have a meter because we had an outside tap, but they fitted it for nothing and our water bills dropped dramatically, even though we had a pond which needed topping up from time to time and an automatic watering system for plants in pots. I?m pretty sure that a couple on their own will pay quite a bit less with a meter than without, We moved about ten years ago and our bills have continued at about the same rate.> > Mike G -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 12 16:13:19 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:13:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> References: <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Depends on how many people lib Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Apr 2021, at 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Someone mentioned their water meter.... > > We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. > > What experiences have people had? > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Apr 12 16:19:54 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:19:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 12 16:37:08 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:37:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <859895bb-bab9-9398-9d8a-360419a4a51d@btinternet.com> Indeed, very sad news. On OBs I? worked on a series of 'Robot Wars' with Stuart in the ExCel centre in London Docklands and it was a real pleasure, such a pleasant change from some of the production people we had to put up with. Condolences to his family, Dave On 12/04/2021 20:08, Bernard Newnham via Announce wrote: > Many here will have known Stuart Macdonald, probably as director of > Children in Need, or Tomorrow's World, or as a vision mixer or > cameraman. I gave him his first ever job in tech-ops "Can you get me a > foot block, please?" > > Jeanne Mallins just phoned me to say that he died in a car crash this > morning. She doesn't know any more details, except that no other cars > appeared to be involved. > > A good chap, one of the best studio directors, who was in demand > around the world. > > B From mibridge at mac.com Mon Apr 12 16:44:30 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2021 22:44:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Sad news In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <447C6216-D46E-455F-986A-7CA6F5783A6C@mac.com> I only ever remember working with Stuart in Pres A, but he always made sessions good fun and showed his appreciation when you put in a little extra effort to polish the end result. And he made a good companion fi you encountered him in a watering hole, of whichever type! Mike G > On 12 Apr 2021, at 22:11, Barry Bonner via Announce wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > That?s shocking and very sad. I worked a lot with him particularly on Children in Need, we had fun in spite of the challenges & complexities. As you say one of the best studio directors and never a cross word. > Barry. > > > > On 12 Apr 2021, at 20:08, Bernard Newnham via Announce wrote: > >> Many here will have known Stuart Macdonald, probably as director of Children in Need, or Tomorrow's World, or as a vision mixer or cameraman. I gave him his first ever job in tech-ops "Can you get me a foot block, please?" >> >> Jeanne Mallins just phoned me to say that he died in a car crash this morning. She doesn't know any more details, except that no other cars appeared to be involved. >> >> A good chap, one of the best studio directors, who was in demand around the world. >> >> B >> -- >> Announce mailing list >> Announce at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Announce mailing list > Announce at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk From Waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 13 03:17:38 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 08:17:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <9bc1535d-8f76-13b3-b70b-e3cb4871a995@zero51.co.uk> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> , <9bc1535d-8f76-13b3-b70b-e3cb4871a995@zero51.co.uk> Message-ID: So do I, I just wanted to see whether there was an interesting discussion to be had on the subject. Our two Cavvy King Charles Spaniels have an uncanny knack of finding water anywhere here in the Surrey Hills, an area of mainly sandy terrain where puddles, ponds, streams, etc., are few and far between. If it?s there though, they?ll find it long before we do, and muddier the better. But they do it without twigs! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Apr 2021, at 20:18, Mrs Mallett wrote: ? I agree with that. Birds appear to be sensitive to magnetic fields due to tiny bits of iron embedded in their inner ears and other links between their eyes and brain. "Scientists are not completely sure" usually means they haven't really got a clue, but somehow birds can navigate for thousands of miles. Ditto the salmon returning to their birthplace after a few years. So humans having a residual sense for vital water supply is not unreasonable. Amplifying a gut feeling maybe? Anyway its fun. And a good way of testing your neighbour's preconceptions, if nothing else. PF On 12/04/2021 19:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: I certainly wouldn't attempt to define the science. But I have witnessed enough, and even tried it out myself, to say that I think you are dealing with something better than just guessing. The indicators - hazel switches, L shaped rods etc - are merely devices which can detect small hand movements graphically. There is no magic in these - the detection is in the person. The evidence does seem to suggest that many people can make divining work in a vague sense, and a few can do it very well. The guy I watched had a run of nearly a 1/4 mile to search over and he picked the right spot almost as fast as he could walk over it. He might have been able to guess at earthenware for the pipe, but the water board clearly rated him for finding leaks that their own guys had given up on. Many animal species can detect hidden water from a great distance, so to assume that man doesn't have remnant ability isn't particularly logical. Chris Woolf On 12 April 2021 18:39:00 BST, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;} Chris Woolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 13 04:06:15 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:06:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> You missed the point, Nick. The diviner crisscrossed the field, plotting the course of the underground stream, so when it eventually ended up at the bottom, as you rightly pointed out, he could say exactly where to dig, as the field was quite wide. Wonder if that?s the origin of ?have you twigged? meaning to understand? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 18:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 13 04:22:04 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:22:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> References: <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <12233495-6B8E-4307-BB9F-73D4BC7D5AD1@me.com> My Oxford Dictionary says that the origin of ?twigged? is unknown. Alan Taylor > On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:06, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > ? > > > Wonder if that?s the origin of ?have you twigged? meaning to understand? > > Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Apr 13 04:28:31 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:28:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4ec4f491.16528.178ca8f9884.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> O.K. Mr. Science - So why did Jack and Jill go UP the hill, to fetch a pail of water? Answer that! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Monday, 12 Apr, 21 At 18:39 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;} Chris Woolf -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 13 05:21:02 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 10:21:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <4ec4f491.16528.178ca8f9884.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> , <4ec4f491.16528.178ca8f9884.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Because that?s where the tap was? ;-) N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:28, ROGER BUNCE wrote: ? O.K. Mr. Science - So why did Jack and Jill go UP the hill, to fetch a pail of water? Answer that! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Monday, 12 Apr, 21 At 18:39 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Wot's a water meter? Borehole and pump;} Chris Woolf ________________________________ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Apr 13 05:38:53 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:38:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <7CD0CB8C-271B-47BD-AEAE-6183432761C4@icloud.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <4ec4f491.16528.178ca8f9884.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> <7CD0CB8C-271B-47BD-AEAE-6183432761C4@icloud.com> Message-ID: <65BF2EF2-06C8-4849-B6DB-EA0E350A2242@icloud.com> On 13 Apr 2021, at 11:37, Graeme Wall wrote Jack and Jill Went up the hill To fetch a pail of water Jill came down With half a crown It wasn?t water Jack was after. ? Graeme Wall > > >> On 13 Apr 2021, at 11:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Because that?s where the tap was? >> ;-) >> N. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:28, ROGER BUNCE wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> O.K. Mr. Science - So why did Jack and Jill go UP the hill, to fetch a pail of water? Answer that! >>> >>> luv, Rog. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> >>> >>> From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" >>> >>> >>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" >>> >>> >>> Sent: Monday, 12 Apr, 21 At 18:39 >>> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? >>> >>> >>> I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science >>> says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. >>> >>> Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>> >>> >>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) >>> We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. >>> A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! >>> Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of >>> the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. >>> >>> Regards >>> Pat >>> Sent from >>> >>> Mail >>> for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 >>> >>> Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 >>> >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >>> >>> Wot's a water meter? >>> Borehole and pump;} >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> >>> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Apr 13 06:10:08 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 12:10:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <65BF2EF2-06C8-4849-B6DB-EA0E350A2242@icloud.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <4ec4f491.16528.178ca8f9884.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> <7CD0CB8C-271B-47BD-AEAE-6183432761C4@icloud.com> <65BF2EF2-06C8-4849-B6DB-EA0E350A2242@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9DB3B187-C07B-4547-B104-5DE9EE4275D6@icloud.com> Sorry, part appears to be missed off: Jack and Jill Went up tthe hill To fetch a pail of water Jill came down With half a crown It wasn?t water Jack was after. ? Graeme Wall > On 13 Apr 2021, at 11:38, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 13 Apr 2021, at 11:37, Graeme Wall wrote > Jack and Jill > Went up the hill > To fetch a pail of water > > Jill came down > With half a crown > It wasn?t water Jack was after. > ? > Graeme Wall >> > >> >>> On 13 Apr 2021, at 11:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Because that?s where the tap was? >>> ;-) >>> N. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:28, ROGER BUNCE wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> O.K. Mr. Science - So why did Jack and Jill go UP the hill, to fetch a pail of water? Answer that! >>>> >>>> luv, Rog. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" >>>> >>>> >>>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, 12 Apr, 21 At 18:39 >>>> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? >>>> >>>> >>>> I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science >>>> says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. >>>> >>>> Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Nick. >>>> >>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) >>>> We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his son, Matthew. >>>> A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came from! >>>> Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of >>>> the field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from >>>> >>>> Mail >>>> for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 >>>> >>>> Sent: 12 April 2021 13:43 >>>> >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >>>> >>>> Wot's a water meter? >>>> Borehole and pump;} >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> >>>> >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From Waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 13 06:25:55 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 11:25:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> , <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Did you not see the ;-) and ? ? By the way, I?ll message you privately about the SQN stuff. I haven?t forgotten. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:06, patheigham wrote: ? You missed the point, Nick. The diviner crisscrossed the field, plotting the course of the underground stream, so when it eventually ended up at the bottom, as you rightly pointed out, he could say exactly where to dig, as the field was quite wide. Wonder if that?s the origin of ?have you twigged? meaning to understand? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 18:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Tue Apr 13 06:59:56 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 12:59:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Apr 13 12:16:41 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2021 18:16:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <24F0C6D2-A9B4-4C26-AA9A-0FDDDB8B4799@btinternet.com> We live 800? up in the Cotswold. We have 5 or 6 springs in the hamlet, and they pop up up unexpectedly after heavy rains. The one outside our kitchen is fed from the Brecon Beacons via the Severn Valley anticline, it never dries up. During the 2007 flooding the Gloucester main sub station and the Severn Trent pumping station were under water, so no power ,no water (for 3 weeks) They sent bottled Slovenian water to us , but we drank our spring. It left a crystalline deposit in the glass, we reverted to the Slovak .. Roger > On 13 Apr 2021, at 12:59, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > It's because springs and sources, often occult, have a perverse habit of being very near the tops of hills. And dwellings do not necessarily get built down by the river, but if they do they have the "convenience" of dumping their sewage into the river (Things have improved a bit). Another point might be that carrying an empty bucket uphill and a full one down is more fun than the other way round. > > PF > > > > On 13/04/2021 12:25, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> Did you not see the ;-) and ? ? >> >> By the way, I?ll message you privately about the SQN stuff. I haven?t forgotten. >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:06, patheigham wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> You missed the point, Nick. The diviner crisscrossed the field, plotting the course of the underground stream, so when it eventually ended up at the bottom, as you rightly pointed out, he could say exactly where to dig, as the field was quite wide. >>> > > > >>> Wonder if that?s the origin of ?have you twigged? meaning to understand? >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 >>> Sent: 12 April 2021 18:39 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >>> >>> Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? >>> I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. >>> Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Apr 14 03:05:35 2021 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:05:35 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <19f14cb6.17604.178cf6a052a.Webtop.88@btinternet.com> Believe it or not, serious scholars have discussed this, and the usual explanation is that Jack and Jill went UP the hill because they were collecting water from a Dew Pond. These are created on hill tops and are replenished with water by condensation. The usual picture-book illustration of a well on top of a hill is just silly. luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Fox via Tech1" To: "Nick Ware" ; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Tuesday, 13 Apr, 21 At 12:59 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining It's because springs and sources, often occult, have a perverse habit of being very near the tops of hills. And dwellings do not necessarily get built down by the river, but if they do they have the "convenience" of dumping their sewage into the river (Things have improved a bit). Another point might be that carrying an empty bucket uphill and a full one down is more fun than the other way round. PF On 13/04/2021 12:25, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Did you not see the ;-) and ? ? By the way, I?ll message you privately about the SQN stuff. I haven?t forgotten. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:06, patheigham wrote: ? You missed the point, Nick. The diviner crisscrossed the field, plotting the course of the underground stream, so when it eventually ended up at the bottom, as you rightly pointed out, he could say exactly where to dig, as the field was quite wide. Wonder if that?s the origin of ?have you twigged? meaning to understand? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 12 April 2021 18:39 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? Cheers, Nick. 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URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Wed Apr 14 03:10:36 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 09:10:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <19f14cb6.17604.178cf6a052a.Webtop.88@btinternet.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> <19f14cb6.17604.178cf6a052a.Webtop.88@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0FD6F714-4B1B-439B-BC50-2A167BDDC87A@btinternet.com> Thought this may be a fun watch for the scammers scammed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyMVM884K4o > On 14 Apr 2021, at 09:05, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > Believe it or not, serious scholars have discussed this, and the usual explanation is that Jack and Jill went UP the hill because they were collecting water from a Dew Pond. These are created on hill tops and are replenished with water by condensation. The usual picture-book illustration of a well on top of a hill is just silly. > > luv, Rog. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Peter Fox via Tech1" > > To: "Nick Ware" >; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " > > Sent: Tuesday, 13 Apr, 21 At 12:59 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining > > > It's because springs and sources, often occult, have a perverse habit of being very near the tops of hills. And dwellings do not necessarily get built down by the river, but if they do they have the "convenience" of dumping their sewage into the river (Things have improved a bit). Another point might be that carrying an empty bucket uphill and a full one down is more fun than the other way round. > > PF > > > > On 13/04/2021 12:25, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > > Did you not see the ;-) and ? ? > > > > By the way, I?ll message you privately about the SQN stuff. I haven?t forgotten. > > Nick. > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:06, patheigham wrote: > > > > > > ? > You missed the point, Nick. The diviner crisscrossed the field, plotting the course of the underground stream, so when it eventually ended up at the bottom, as you rightly pointed out, he could say exactly where to dig, as the field was quite wide. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wonder if that?s the origin of ?have you twigged? meaning to understand? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 12 April 2021 18:39 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining > > > Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind water divining? > I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. > > Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? > > > Cheers, > > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Wed Apr 14 11:07:23 2021 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:07:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <0FD6F714-4B1B-439B-BC50-2A167BDDC87A@btinternet.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> <19f14cb6.17604.178cf6a052a.Webtop.88@btinternet.com> <0FD6F714-4B1B-439B-BC50-2A167BDDC87A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <06628736-34a3-87b4-b70f-39f69ceeb981@zero51.force9.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 14 11:26:06 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:26:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining Message-ID: <1603AF50-FF73-4D77-AE29-7D92F7B35715@me.com> My village is on a hill and we live close to the top, but there is a spring very close to us which is always flowing into a trough, even in dry weather. At least a dozen of the older houses have wells in their gardens. Most of them are beautifully lined with stone and are only a few metres deep. I?ve never investigated how the water gets up here, but Jack and Jill wouldn?t be wasting a journey if they climbed up our hill carrying a bucket. Our mains water is sourced from the same place that the Hook Norton brewery draw their water. I keep hoping for a crossed pipe so that we get Hooky coming out of our taps, but it hasn?t happened yet. Alan Taylor > On 14 Apr 2021, at 09:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > From doug.prior at talktalk.net Wed Apr 14 11:32:44 2021 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 17:32:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Divining Message-ID: <1054046284.1006000.1618417964869@apps.talktalk.co.uk> If you can't explain divining and ley lines are also part of divining how do you explain magnetism? 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URL: From doug.prior at talktalk.net Wed Apr 14 12:31:03 2021 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 18:31:03 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Divining Message-ID: <874917542.1007062.1618421464077@apps.talktalk.co.uk> If you cannot explain divining and ley lines are part of divining how do you explain magnetism? Doub Prior Sent from OX Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Apr 14 13:11:51 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 19:11:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <874917542.1007062.1618421464077@apps.talktalk.co.uk> References: <874917542.1007062.1618421464077@apps.talktalk.co.uk> Message-ID: <799941A8-8270-48CD-9999-BDD88B8B6436@me.com> I?ve got a fridge magnet in the shape of a talking pig. It?s a Babe magnet. Alan Taylor > On 14 Apr 2021, at 18:31, doug prior via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > If you cannot explain divining and ley lines are part of divining how do you explain magnetism? > > Doub Prior > > Sent from OX Mail > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 14 16:02:48 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:02:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Water meters In-Reply-To: <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <858a4b63-0aba-6b8d-3bd1-a8f1c70c5eec@btinternet.com> We had one fitted when they became available, as the kids had left home and there were just the two of us. My water bills immediately halved! Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2021 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Someone mentioned their water meter.... > > We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer > will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay.?? My > concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level > outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed.? > The one inside is an ancient tap.? Apparently if they come and change > the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less > surface mounted off switch. > > What experiences have people had? > > B > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Apr 14 16:05:43 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:05:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Water meters In-Reply-To: <858a4b63-0aba-6b8d-3bd1-a8f1c70c5eec@btinternet.com> References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> <858a4b63-0aba-6b8d-3bd1-a8f1c70c5eec@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <004201d73171$eed968d0$cc8c3a70$@gmail.com> I was advised if you have more bedrooms than number of residents have a meter fitted Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 14 April 2021 22:03 To: Bernard Newnham ; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Water meters We had one fitted when they became available, as the kids had left home and there were just the two of us. My water bills immediately halved! Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2021 12:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Someone mentioned their water meter.... We don't have one as my wife says that watering the garden in summer will cost a fortune. Not sure why she's worried, as I pay. My concern is that the main stop cock is about a yard below ground level outside and the hole fills with soil because of where it's placed. The one inside is an ancient tap. Apparently if they come and change the outside one whilst fitting a meter we'll have a more or less surface mounted off switch. What experiences have people had? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 14 16:14:25 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:14:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <4116a97a-11c8-ec2c-27d9-1307fda92a3d@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <54BAA229-6DD6-45C0-9B1A-C9A48D0EB352@btinternet.com> <9ba8ff78-20d2-7baa-92b7-9177be2b32b9@gmail.com> <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <4116a97a-11c8-ec2c-27d9-1307fda92a3d@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <21f0db8e-7f11-a4be-f3c3-88e9f199c8af@btinternet.com> Nice story, Pete, but the same thing happened to my brother-in-law while lying prone on his grass verge checking the meter someone stopped and asked if he was OK! Gordon Peters, one of the better TVC warm-up men (after Felix, of course!) always told a joke about seeing a man lying on the pavement and he rushed over and gave him the kiss-of-life when the man said he was very grateful but was only checking the meter! Another of his jokes was to announce that he wasn't gay but helped them out when they were busy! I was amazed to meet him in my local Barclays Bank in Esher! -and also Paul Temple who lived just down the road (Francis Matthews, for all you youngsters!) Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2021 18:26, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > In answer to Bernie, I think the meter depth governs the stop valve > height as it usually connects straight into the meter. I have > knowledge of three meters. One is less than a foot down and has a > beautifully clear dial and a quarter turn plastic valve that's really > easy to operate by hand. The next is around two foot down and is > almost impossible to read, even trying to photograph it with an iphone > is no better. Last year the meter reader got it wrong and a ?400 bill > was sent.? In lockdown objecting by email brought no response, but > eventually a scheduled read put it right and so I am just using up the > credit with nothing to pay for at least a year. That tap needs a metre > long forked-end key metal key to operate it. The third one, on the > Isle of Wight is well hidden in the grass verge (thats the one that > needs a metal detector to re-discover) and causes consternation to > passing motorists because you have to lie down on the grass to peer > down the invisible hole. "You alright mate?" Assuming you have dropped > dead by the wayside. Come to think of it, the ones that appear not to > notice are a bit more upsetting. > It doesn't need reading as such but its nice to check occasionally > that it isn't spinning when the house stop valve is off because it has > a vulnerable 50 metre metered (!) run if it does spring a leak. > > PF > > > On 12/04/2021 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) >> >> We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s >> cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by his >> son, Matthew. >> >> A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to phone >> him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of strawberries >> which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying where they came >> from! >> >> Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed >> irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking >> backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg wherever >> there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the field, he said to >> dig there, and there will be water. A small mini digger was brought >> in, and with the second scoop, there indeed was plenty. I believe a >> borehole and pump was installed. >> >> Regards >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> *Sent: *12 April 2021 13:43 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Divining >> >> Wot's a water meter? >> >> Borehole and pump;} >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 14 16:17:16 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 22:17:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My daughter's collie dog can divine tennis balls anywhere in the bushes, and we have an enormous collection that she has found! Cheers, Dave On 12/04/2021 19:11, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > I certainly wouldn't attempt to define the science. But I have > witnessed enough, and even tried it out myself, to say that I think > you are dealing with something better than just guessing. > The indicators - hazel switches, L shaped rods etc - are merely > devices which can detect small hand movements graphically. > There is no magic in these - the detection is in the person. > The evidence does seem to suggest that many people can make divining > work in a vague sense, and a few can do it very well. > The guy I watched had a run of nearly a 1/4 mile to search over and he > picked the right spot almost as fast as he could walk over it. He > might have been able to guess at earthenware for the pipe, but the > water board clearly rated him for finding leaks that their own guys > had given up on. > > Many animal species can detect hidden water from a great distance, so > to assume that man doesn't have remnant ability isn't particularly > logical. > Chris Woolf > > > On 12 April 2021 18:39:00 BST, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is behind > water divining? > I?d say that, since another word for divining is ?guessing? > (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, etc.), by going to the bottom of a > field that?s on a slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is > any water that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because > Science says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. > Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 12 Apr 2021, at 17:34, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Some years ago, I had a Thames TV job (Sooty on Location!) >> >> We were based in Shaftesbury, but assembled at Harry Corbett?s >> cottage near Blandford, although the operating was then done by >> his son, Matthew. >> >> A friend had a strawberry farm at Fontmell Magna and I used to >> phone him the evening before and ask for a couple of pounds of >> strawberries which I put out next to the tea urns, without saying >> where they came from! >> >> Now, the main field of the farm was on a slope and he needed >> irrigation. He showed me some cine film of a diviner walking >> backwards and forwards across the field, putting in a peg >> wherever there was a ?twitch?. Getting to the bottom of the >> field, he said to dig there, and there will be water. A small >> mini digger was brought in, and with the second scoop, there >> indeed was plenty. I believe a borehole and pump was installed. >> >> Regards >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> *Sent: *12 April 2021 13:43 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Divining >> >> Wot's a water meter? >> >> Borehole and pump;} >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Apr 14 17:26:55 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 23:26:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scamming In-Reply-To: <0FD6F714-4B1B-439B-BC50-2A167BDDC87A@btinternet.com> References: <60747687.1c69fb81.fb7ee.f2af@mx.google.com> <60755f07.1c69fb81.4a137.94f8@mx.google.com> <0d082af7-30a5-598b-b960-bad0e4668935@zero51.force9.co.uk> <19f14cb6.17604.178cf6a052a.Webtop.88@btinternet.com> <0FD6F714-4B1B-439B-BC50-2A167BDDC87A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Many thanks, Albert, what a fantastic video! I am sick of daily scammers with Indian accents with very English names, so it's nice to know that there are people clever enough to wipe their computer files! There appears to be many other YouTube items on the same theme. Cheers, Dave On 14/04/2021 09:10, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Thought this may be a fun watch for the scammers scammed > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyMVM884K4o > > > > > > >> On 14 Apr 2021, at 09:05, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Believe it or not, serious scholars have discussed this, and the >> usual explanation is that Jack and Jill went UP the hill because they >> were collecting water from a Dew Pond. These are created on hill tops >> and are replenished with water by condensation. The usual >> picture-book illustration of a well on top of a hill is just silly. >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> ------ Original Message ------ From: "Peter Fox via Tech1" >> > To: "Nick >> Ware" >; >> "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " >> > Sent: >> Tuesday, 13 Apr, 21 At 12:59 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Divining >> It's because springs and sources, often occult, have a perverse >> habit of being very near the tops of hills. And dwellings do not >> necessarily get built down by the river, but if they do they have >> the "convenience" of dumping their sewage into the river (Things >> have improved a bit). Another point might be that carrying an >> empty bucket uphill and a full one down is more fun than the >> other way round. PF On 13/04/2021 12:25, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Did you not see the ;-) and ? ? >> By the way, I?ll message you privately about the SQN stuff. I >> haven?t forgotten. >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> On 13 Apr 2021, at 10:06, patheigham >> wrote: >> >> ? >> You missed the point, Nick. The diviner crisscrossed the >> field, plotting the course of the underground stream, so >> when it eventually ended up at the bottom, as you rightly >> pointed out, he could say exactly where to dig, as the >> field was quite wide. >> >> Wonder if that?s the origin of ?have you twigged? meaning >> to understand? >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail >> for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 >> *Sent: *12 April 2021 18:39 *To: >> *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Divining >> >> Ok, so who?s brave enough to tell us what the Science is >> behind water divining? I?d say that, since another word >> for divining is ?guessing? (Cambridge Dictionary, Wiki, >> etc.), by going to the bottom of a field that?s on a >> slope, it?s a pretty safe bet that if there is any water >> that?s where it?s going to be. And that?s because Science >> says so. I?m divining that Sooty would agree. >> Not that I?m cynical or anything. ;-) ? >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast >> antivirus software. www.avast.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Apr 14 17:53:07 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 23:53:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <874917542.1007062.1618421464077@apps.talktalk.co.uk> References: <874917542.1007062.1618421464077@apps.talktalk.co.uk> Message-ID: <8BA4ACB6-A4BB-4DE4-B769-F5114C8C0883@btinternet.com> Magnetic field is generated by the rotating liquid earth core Ley lines are flux contours.. Sent from my iPhone > On 14 Apr 2021, at 18:31, doug prior via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > If you cannot explain divining and ley lines are part of divining how do you explain magnetism? > > Doub Prior > > Sent from OX Mail > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.jasma at sky.com Thu Apr 15 04:12:26 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Water meters References: <1f3a5bab-79fa-3874-30c8-9cc48b85d70d.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <1f3a5bab-79fa-3874-30c8-9cc48b85d70d@sky.com> For about 20 years, I owned a holiday chalet near Swansea. As holiday accommodation, it could only be occupied for 8 months of the year. This meant that the rates (as they were then) were a Band A reduced, but the water rate for a year still came in at over ?220. Sometime in the mid 90s, I had a water meter fitted. Even allowing for the fact that the chalet wasn't occupied every week and there were four months a year when it was empty, with the water and electricity turned off, the cost of water halved to ?100. For this sort of property, having a water meter installed was a no-brainer! Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Thu Apr 15 04:33:57 2021 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:33:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Water Meters Message-ID: We had a water meter fitted a few years ago. Our direct debit went from ?79 a month to ?15. Copious watering in last years dry weather didn?t seem to make much difference. Our current direct debit is ?17. John V Sent from my iPad From waresound at msn.com Thu Apr 15 04:40:13 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 09:40:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Water meters In-Reply-To: <1f3a5bab-79fa-3874-30c8-9cc48b85d70d@sky.com> References: <1f3a5bab-79fa-3874-30c8-9cc48b85d70d.ref@sky.com>, <1f3a5bab-79fa-3874-30c8-9cc48b85d70d@sky.com> Message-ID: Presumably the water rate you paid included sewerage, or was it a no-drainer? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 15 Apr 2021, at 10:13, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > ?For about 20 years, I owned a holiday chalet near Swansea. As holiday accommodation, it could only be occupied for 8 months of the year. This meant that the rates (as they were then) were a Band A reduced, but the water rate for a year still came in at over ?220. > > Sometime in the mid 90s, I had a water meter fitted. Even allowing for the fact that the chalet wasn't occupied every week and there were four months a year when it was empty, with the water and electricity turned off, the cost of water halved to ?100. > > For this sort of property, having a water meter installed was a no-brainer! > > Dave Buckley > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Apr 15 06:49:19 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 12:49:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <8BA4ACB6-A4BB-4DE4-B769-F5114C8C0883@btinternet.com> References: <874917542.1007062.1618421464077@apps.talktalk.co.uk> <8BA4ACB6-A4BB-4DE4-B769-F5114C8C0883@btinternet.com> Message-ID: There's general agreement about the Earth's magnet field being caused by its core rotation, but ley lines as flux contours? I don't think so, guv. Flux contours would be aligned (magnetic) N / S, and would also wander around over the centuries by many degrees to follow the meanderings of the magnetic pole. Believers in ley lines regard them as lines between all sorts of structures and landmarks, but always as "fixed" and by no means aligned in any one magnetic direction. Chris Woolf On 14/04/2021 23:53, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > Magnetic field is generated by the rotating liquid earth core > Ley lines are flux contours.. > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 14 Apr 2021, at 18:31, doug prior via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> If you cannot explain divining and ley lines are part of divining how do you explain magnetism? >> >> Doub Prior >> >> Sent from OX Mail >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From relong at btinternet.com Thu Apr 15 08:16:23 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:16:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EF0B298-B441-49B4-A6A0-2E4ACB8B56C3@btinternet.com> I aligned my 1 metric tonne megalith (from Delabole quarry , the biggest hole in Europe!) with North/ South so as too coincide with our Leyline. We are totally Fluxed..... Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 15 Apr 2021, at 12:50, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?There's general agreement about the Earth's magnet field being caused by its core rotation, but ley lines as flux contours? > > I don't think so, guv. Flux contours would be aligned (magnetic) N / S, and would also wander around over the centuries by many degrees to follow the meanderings of the magnetic pole. > > Believers in ley lines regard them as lines between all sorts of structures and landmarks, but always as "fixed" and by no means aligned in any one magnetic direction. > > Chris Woolf > > >> On 14/04/2021 23:53, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >> Magnetic field is generated by the rotating liquid earth core >> Ley lines are flux contours.. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On 14 Apr 2021, at 18:31, doug prior via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> If you cannot explain divining and ley lines are part of divining how do you explain magnetism? >>> >>> Doub Prior >>> >>> Sent from OX Mail >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug.prior at talktalk.net Thu Apr 15 08:56:24 2021 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 14:56:24 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Divining In-Reply-To: <4EF0B298-B441-49B4-A6A0-2E4ACB8B56C3@btinternet.com> References: <4EF0B298-B441-49B4-A6A0-2E4ACB8B56C3@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <933234691.1019207.1618494984620@apps.talktalk.co.uk> I know the thery of magnetic flux but what exactly is it. You cant feel it and it onle shows a slight movement on a suspended magnet. Diving though has quite a dramatic effect. My wife swears by hey pendulum to answer all sorts of question depending on direction the direction it revolves. There are many questions to answer. Ps UFOs are supposed to follow ley lines - maybe flux lines too!! Doug Prior Sent from OX Mail On April 15, 2021 at 2:16 PM Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > I aligned my 1 metric tonne megalith (from Delabole quarry , the biggest hole in Europe!) with North/ South so as too coincide with our Leyline. > We are totally Fluxed..... > Roger > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 15 Apr 2021, at 12:50, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ?There's general agreement about the Earth's magnet field being caused by its core rotation, but ley lines as flux contours? > > > > I don't think so, guv. Flux contours would be aligned (magnetic) N / S, and would also wander around over the centuries by many degrees to follow the meanderings of the magnetic pole. > > > > Believers in ley lines regard them as lines between all sorts of structures and landmarks, but always as "fixed" and by no means aligned in any one magnetic direction. > > > > Chris Woolf > > > > > >> On 14/04/2021 23:53, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > >> Magnetic field is generated by the rotating liquid earth core > >> Ley lines are flux contours.. > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>>> On 14 Apr 2021, at 18:31, doug prior via Tech1 wrote: > >>> > >>> ? > >>> > >>> > >>> If you cannot explain divining and ley lines are part of divining how do you explain magnetism? > >>> > >>> Doub Prior > >>> > >>> Sent from OX Mail > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Speaking of potable water, many years ago on holiday in the Highlands and Islands, I stayed at several properties which obtained their drinking water straight from the hillside. Mostly it was slightly brown-coloured, but fortunately that was from the soil, and not from local unruly wild creatures! And on the subject of flowing water and downpours, I was fortunate to have quite a bit of rain overhead whilst filming in the sewers in Liverpool, as at least there was a reasonable flow to wash the excrement past at a reasonable speed. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Apr 15 14:25:27 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:25:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Jack and Jill In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's not nice to refer to the Production Accountant in such derogatory terms Tony. Geoff F. On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 20:21, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > Sorry to be a bit late to this thread, but if you live in the country you > will know that if you want 'potable' water, the further up the stream you > go, the 'purer' it is likely to be, although that was alluded to in one > email referring to people who lived near flowing water, and who let their > ordure run off into it. You don't want to know what happens to the water in > the water courses around here, but with a huge downpour, it washes the > horse, cow, sheep, pig, dog, etc. deposits down to...........oh heavens, > that's the sea shore! > > Speaking of potable water, many years ago on holiday in the Highlands and > Islands, I stayed at several properties which obtained their drinking water > straight from the hillside. 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URL: From waresound at msn.com Fri Apr 16 07:51:52 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 12:51:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jack and Jill Message-ID: ?Pat, I know you remember when we filmed The Smetana Vltava (Moldau) in the Prague Dvorak Hall, but do you recall how on some feeble excuse of shooting b-roll (GV?s in English!) we took a lovely day trip in a pleasure boat up the Vltava river? At some point we reached what we were told was as close as the boat could get to the source, and spotted a water tap that was running freely down a bank into the river. I remember taking a shot of it with either you or me saying we?d found the source of the River Vltava! I recall seeing that shot when viewing rushes at Preview 2 back in London. If I could find it, I even have a still somewhere of the tap in question. That was some time in 1982 I think. Cheers, Nick. PS, I have to say I find the term ?wee? dram of Scotch a bit of a worry! Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 16 Apr 2021, at 13:01, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? On a job for Granada out of Manchester ?The Facts Are These?, one episode followed a stream from its source up in the hills, where a sample was added to a wee dram of scotch! As we followed it down, to where it belched into the Irwell, it became more and more polluted and contaminated by outflows of industrial waste water, and other rotten stuff. Having been camping, on occasions, one always needed to check upstream in case a sheep had drowned and died in the fresh water source! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 On Thu, 15 Apr 2021 at 20:21, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: Sorry to be a bit late to this thread, but if you live in the country you will know that if you want 'potable' water, the further up the stream you go, the 'purer' it is likely to be, although that was alluded to in one email referring to people who lived near flowing water, and who let their ordure run off into it. You don't want to know what happens to the water in the water courses around here, but with a huge downpour, it washes the horse, cow, sheep, pig, dog, etc. deposits down to...........oh heavens, that's the sea shore! ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Apr 16 13:55:27 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 19:55:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. Message-ID: <2F2197B9-B269-4863-AEC7-08A54019DACF@me.com> Being of a certain age, I recently decided I had to do something about an increasingly troublesome cataract in my right eye. There was the quite faint brown splodge in the middle, but more worrying was the multi-coloured halo around bright lights, particularly car headlamps at night I had obviously depended on decent eyesight for much of my working life, and wasn't keen to have the op., and it is the only treatment; there is no alternative, as someone once said. Presumably we never lived long enough for it to be a problem, in the past. I had visions of it being a cross between the Dali/Bunuel film 'Un Chien Andalou' and that sequence with Malcolm McDowell in 'A Clockwork Orange' being made to listen to Beethoven 9. In the event it was about as uncomfortable as a dentist's scale and polish, although quite different, obviously. There's nothing to see, the other eye is covered, and you have to focus on the 'bright light' the surgeon is using, it's obviously micro-surgery, done through a binocular microscope The aftercare is comprehensive - a weeks rest, with antiseptic and cortico-steroid drops four times a day, and the drops continue for another two weeks. Routine check-up in a month, and think about new specs in about 3months. If you're as terrified as I was of the op., it wasn't half as bad as I thought it might be. Walk in, walk out (you can't drive home, it's all a bit foggy), and it's over in less than 30 mins, and although it was at a private clinic it was NHS. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Apr 16 14:19:05 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 20:19:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. In-Reply-To: <2F2197B9-B269-4863-AEC7-08A54019DACF@me.com> References: <2F2197B9-B269-4863-AEC7-08A54019DACF@me.com> Message-ID: A hospital in Littlehampton organised a weekend of cataract operations. They had every operating theatre in use, other operations being transferred elsewhere, a local hotel block-booked as a recovery ward and had begged, borrowed and hired enough specialist kit and surgeons to keep the theatres continually manned, each surgical team doing alternate operations in ?their theatre. They reckoned on doing about 200 operations in the three days. We (TVS) did a news story on it, following one patient with follow up stories on her recovery. The reporter was a delightful Welsh girl who said to me before we went in ?If I faint, just keep on filming and drag me out afterwards.? Needless to say, she didn?t. ? Graeme Wall > On 16 Apr 2021, at 19:55, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Being of a certain age, I recently decided I had to do something about an increasingly troublesome cataract in my right eye. There was the quite faint brown splodge in the middle, but more worrying was the multi-coloured halo around bright lights, particularly car headlamps at night > > I had obviously depended on decent eyesight for much of my working life, and wasn't keen to have the op., and it is the only treatment; there is no alternative, as someone once said. Presumably we never lived long enough for it to be a problem, in the past. > > I had visions of it being a cross between the Dali/Bunuel film 'Un Chien Andalou' and that sequence with Malcolm McDowell in 'A Clockwork Orange' being made to listen to Beethoven 9. In the event it was about as uncomfortable as a dentist's scale and polish, although quite different, obviously. There's nothing to see, the other eye is covered, and you have to focus on the 'bright light' the surgeon is using, it's obviously micro-surgery, done through a binocular microscope > > The aftercare is comprehensive - a weeks rest, with antiseptic and cortico-steroid drops four times a day, and the drops continue for another two weeks. Routine check-up in a month, and think about new specs in about 3months. > > If you're as terrified as I was of the op., it wasn't half as bad as I thought it might be. Walk in, walk out (you can't drive home, it's all a bit foggy), and it's over in less than 30 mins, and although it was at a private clinic it was NHS. > > > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Apr 16 16:16:14 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 22:16:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The very first show I worked on in the Beeb was an OB from Moorfield?s eye hospital. Basically we were just taking feeds from their cctv gear and sending it down a line. The operation was to correct a guy?s sight because he was so short sighted that glasses would be too thick and heavy to be practical. In simple terms what they did was to slice off the front of his eye, cryogenically freeze it solid, put it on a lathe, turn it to a different radius and then once thawed out, reattach it. It was pioneering surgery at the time, but I gather it?s done routinely these days. The monitors with the eye filling the screen during the operation were a bit off putting to some. We had to work through our meal break and go to the staff canteen about 14:30, while the frozen part was being thawed. The only hot meal still available that late in the day was meatballs. Alan Taylor > On 16 Apr 2021, at 20:55, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?A hospital in Littlehampton organised a weekend of cataract operations. They had every operating theatre in use, other operations being transferred elsewhere, a local hotel block-booked as a recovery ward and had begged, borrowed and hired enough specialist kit and surgeons to keep the theatres continually manned, each surgical team doing alternate operations in ?their theatre. They reckoned on doing about 200 operations in the three days. We (TVS) did a news story on it, following one patient with follow up stories on her recovery. The reporter was a delightful Welsh girl who said to me before we went in ?If I faint, just keep on filming and drag me out afterwards.? Needless to say, she didn?t. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 16 Apr 2021, at 19:55, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Being of a certain age, I recently decided I had to do something about an increasingly troublesome cataract in my right eye. There was the quite faint brown splodge in the middle, but more worrying was the multi-coloured halo around bright lights, particularly car headlamps at night >> >> I had obviously depended on decent eyesight for much of my working life, and wasn't keen to have the op., and it is the only treatment; there is no alternative, as someone once said. Presumably we never lived long enough for it to be a problem, in the past. >> >> I had visions of it being a cross between the Dali/Bunuel film 'Un Chien Andalou' and that sequence with Malcolm McDowell in 'A Clockwork Orange' being made to listen to Beethoven 9. In the event it was about as uncomfortable as a dentist's scale and polish, although quite different, obviously. There's nothing to see, the other eye is covered, and you have to focus on the 'bright light' the surgeon is using, it's obviously micro-surgery, done through a binocular microscope >> >> The aftercare is comprehensive - a weeks rest, with antiseptic and cortico-steroid drops four times a day, and the drops continue for another two weeks. Routine check-up in a month, and think about new specs in about 3months. >> >> If you're as terrified as I was of the op., it wasn't half as bad as I thought it might be. Walk in, walk out (you can't drive home, it's all a bit foggy), and it's over in less than 30 mins, and although it was at a private clinic it was NHS. >> >> >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Apr 17 03:59:31 2021 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 09:59:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is amazing what can be done now even in exploratory stages. A few years ago I was experiencing a bit of cloudyness in my left eye and, more worrying, when looking across from side to side by moving eyeball and not head especially at night with a bright light somewhere, getting what I can only describe as a "bunch of bananas" at the edge of my view. Local opticians didn't have strong enough eye opening drugs that they were allowed to use so I went to Moorfields eye hospital. They booked me in for investigation with super powerful eye opening drugs injected to open up the eye so they could look around inside. The amazing thing was that whilst I sat there in the chair, I could see exactly what they were seeing in their microscopic viewer - spooky! Anyway turns out it was Macular Degeneration where bits of the retina fall off meaning that sight can possibly be affected at various positions and I seem to think that the bananas were at the edge of the tear.. Unfortunately when bits fall off, they float around (bit like big "floaters") for a while before being absorbed in the aqueous humour in the eye. Unfortunately a bit of blood leaks out also before being absorbed and that is what causes the foggyness I also had but which goes after a few weeks. The fact that I could see what was inside my eye was amazing. Not too bad now and I can still just read without my long distance glasses a numberplate at 25ft so driving OK! I also have the focus on my 35mm camera viewfinder adjusted to correct my eye without having to put on and off specs when using it and that works out OK and works better than autofocus most of time. On that matter - and more relevant here - I often do the CU camera for mate at our local panto. He WILL insist on me using auto-focus and then complains that it is always changing and blames me. I have told him multiple times that it will as lights come on and off and people move in and out of the beam. When I did similar on holiday once in Canada dong video of godson ballet dancing, dong the old trick of zoomimg in at rear and leave well alone worked fine. Go on camera persons - tell me off as a mere engineer. Mike From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 04:15:16 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 10:15:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mere engineer? You can be the best TV camera operator in the world, but if the picture is naff and camera goes u/s who do we shout for? TV (and film making) is all teamwork. Geoff F (A mere cameraman back in the day) On Sat, 17 Apr 2021 at 10:00, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > It is amazing what can be done now even in exploratory stages. > > A few years ago I was experiencing a bit of cloudyness in my left eye and, > more worrying, when looking across from side to side by moving eyeball and > not head especially at night with a bright light somewhere, getting what I > can only describe as a "bunch of bananas" at the edge of my view. > > Local opticians didn't have strong enough eye opening drugs that they were > allowed to use so I went to Moorfields eye hospital. > They booked me in for investigation with super powerful eye opening drugs > injected to open up the eye so they could look around inside. > The amazing thing was that whilst I sat there in the chair, I could see > exactly what they were seeing in their microscopic viewer - spooky! > > Anyway turns out it was Macular Degeneration where bits of the retina fall > off meaning that sight can possibly be affected at various positions and I > seem to think that the bananas were at the edge of the tear.. > Unfortunately when bits fall off, they float around (bit like big > "floaters") for a while before being absorbed in the aqueous humour in the > eye. Unfortunately a bit of blood leaks out also before being absorbed and > that is what causes the foggyness I also had but which goes after a few > weeks. > > The fact that I could see what was inside my eye was amazing. > > Not too bad now and I can still just read without my long distance glasses > a > numberplate at 25ft so driving OK! > I also have the focus on my 35mm camera viewfinder adjusted to correct my > eye without having to put on and off specs when using it and that works > out > OK and works better than autofocus most of time. > > On that matter - and more relevant here - I often do the CU camera for > mate > at our local panto. He WILL insist on me using auto-focus and then > complains > that it is always changing and blames me. I have told him multiple times > that it will as lights come on and off and people move in and out of the > beam. When I did similar on holiday once in Canada dong video of godson > ballet dancing, dong the old trick of zoomimg in at rear and leave well > alone worked fine. > Go on camera persons - tell me off as a mere engineer. > > Mike > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Apr 17 05:11:38 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 11:11:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. In-Reply-To: <2F2197B9-B269-4863-AEC7-08A54019DACF@me.com> References: <2F2197B9-B269-4863-AEC7-08A54019DACF@me.com> Message-ID: <591e87dce2davesound@btinternet.com> My brother has just had the same, and equally successful. But in his part of Scotland, the NHS waiting list was over two years, so he paid some ?4000 to have it done privately. However, he opted to have a general anaesthetic. He had little option but to pay, since the cataract had stopped him driving and he lives where you really need a car. In article <2F2197B9-B269-4863-AEC7-08A54019DACF at me.com>, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Being of a certain age, I recently decided I had to do something about > an increasingly troublesome cataract in my right eye. There was the > quite faint brown splodge in the middle, but more worrying was the > multi-coloured halo around bright lights, particularly car headlamps at > night > I had obviously depended on decent eyesight for much of my working life, > and wasn't keen to have the op., and it is the only treatment; there is > no alternative, as someone once said. Presumably we never lived long > enough for it to be a problem, in the past. > I had visions of it being a cross between the Dali/Bunuel film 'Un Chien > Andalou' and that sequence with Malcolm McDowell in 'A Clockwork Orange' > being made to listen to Beethoven 9. In the event it was about as > uncomfortable as a dentist's scale and polish, although quite different, > obviously. There's nothing to see, the other eye is covered, and you > have to focus on the 'bright light' the surgeon is using, it's obviously > micro-surgery, done through a binocular microscope > The aftercare is comprehensive - a weeks rest, with antiseptic and > cortico-steroid drops four times a day, and the drops continue for > another two weeks. Routine check-up in a month, and think about new > specs in about 3months. > If you're as terrified as I was of the op., it wasn't half as bad as I > thought it might be. Walk in, walk out (you can't drive home, it's all a > bit foggy), and it's over in less than 30 mins, and although it was at a > private clinic it was NHS. > Alasdair Lawrance > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 09:18:07 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:18:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle Message-ID: <000f01d73394$7d3f8450$77be8cf0$@gmail.com> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV Dave D David Denness 2 Cambridge Park Court Twickenham TW1 2JN 07836 371108 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 17 09:59:05 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 15:59:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <000f01d73394$7d3f8450$77be8cf0$@gmail.com> References: <000f01d73394$7d3f8450$77be8cf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? > Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV > Dave D > > David Denness > 2 Cambridge Park Court > Twickenham TW1 2JN > 07836 371108 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 10:55:40 2021 From: dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com (David Thompson) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:55:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d73394$7d3f8450$77be8cf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2CC0DE3D-B307-4AB3-8470-AD63D6CF0066@gmail.com> In my day directors listened to the music and changed shots at the end of phrases, but that is clearly ?old hat? now! David Thompson > On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >> Dave D >> >> David Denness >> 2 Cambridge Park Court >> Twickenham TW1 2JN >> 07836 371108 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Apr 17 11:00:45 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:00:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <2CC0DE3D-B307-4AB3-8470-AD63D6CF0066@gmail.com> References: <000f01d73394$7d3f8450$77be8cf0$@gmail.com> <2CC0DE3D-B307-4AB3-8470-AD63D6CF0066@gmail.com> Message-ID: It suffered frm the usual disease of virtually every shot moving, ignoring the music and a couple of horrible jump cuts between the high and low cameras at the back of the choir. I have to say there was one beautifully framed shot of the various musicians in the nave with a camera just under the screen arch framing the arch foreground with the musicians background. ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Apr 2021, at 16:55, David Thompson wrote: > > In my day directors listened to the music and changed shots at the end of phrases, but that is clearly ?old hat? now! > > David Thompson > > > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>> Dave D >>> >>> David Denness >>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>> 07836 371108 >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 17 11:15:04 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 17:15:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: <000f01d73394$7d3f8450$77be8cf0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >> Dave D >> >> David Denness >> 2 Cambridge Park Court >> Twickenham TW1 2JN >> 07836 371108 >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From tonynuttall at me.com Sat Apr 17 11:32:41 2021 From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 16:32:41 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The First Time I Saw TELEVISION Message-ID: <04add85b-e9f3-47af-9fd2-98e9b9cc9d5a@me.com> Lovely pic from EYES OF A GENERATION Face Book page. The young chap is shown watching Telly for the first time in a window of an appliance store in the USA c1948. 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I suspect that some of the "candles" (especially up by the alter) were remote control dim as with some of teh clergy speaking, they were not lit and next shot they were. Clever eh? Mike I think a few more trucks than when I was last there in 1976 and we hid behind a wood wall down by the Guardroom! I was staying overnight with a friend in the Grace and Favour house right by the trucks and overslept and wasn?t allowed to miss breakfast so sat in window eating it watching crews arrive! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Windsor_Castle_Funeral_Lord_Montgomery_1976_2[5].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 65432 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 16:22:34 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 22:22:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> References: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered it, so await the answers here, Geoff Hawkes > On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave > >> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>> Dave D >>> David Denness >>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>> 07836 371108 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Apr 17 16:32:47 2021 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 22:32:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. The Queen was stage right, I think with her children in the same pew. The plinth the coffin was on sunk into the ground - extremely slowly - as the long list of the Duke's honours and titles was being read out. Just before the trumpeters. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered it, so await the answers here, Geoff Hawkes > On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice > which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got > several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, > Dave > >> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>> >>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor >>> Castle today? >>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>> Dave D >>> David Denness >>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>> 07836 371108 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 17 16:53:28 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 22:53:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> References: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Sadly, I only found out about the coffin lift from Sky News! How the Beeb managed to miss it is beyond me. Of, course, in previous times, pre-Thatcher, it would have been covered by BBC OBs and BBC production, another Tory success! Sorry, Bernie! Expect more of the same when HM departs, only bigger! Cheers, Dave On 17/04/2021 22:32, David Brunt wrote: > I don't think the musicians were miked up separately.? When the > bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't > sound like a fade. > > The Queen was stage right, I think with her children in the same pew. > > The plinth the coffin was on sunk into the ground - extremely slowly - > as the long list of the Duke's honours and titles was being read out. > Just before the trumpeters. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM > To: dave.mdv > Cc: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle > > I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated > mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed > rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way > they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the > need to do, like always rolling their Rs. > I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the > vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the > uninteresting empty floor space along the way. > I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could > see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did > it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. > It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only > showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate > her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head > bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a > hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. > I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like > in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back > for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? > They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed > the seeing the shot? > I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio > afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from > Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus > when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve > corrected him in his earpiece. > Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end,? I could hear what > sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did > anyone else notice that? > I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the > director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC > OB that covered it, so await the answers here, > Geoff Hawkes > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano >> voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely >> they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far >> better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave >> >>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor >>>> Castle today? >>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>>> Dave D >>>> ?David Denness >>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>> 07836 371108 >>>> ?-- Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 17 17:11:50 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 23:11:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> References: <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <4E9B6941-465D-4BFC-B66B-0D87DB3A09E0@mac.com> There were no individual closing credits - just BBC Studios. And where oh where is someone with the gravitas of a Dimbleby? I gather he?s a very nice chap, but Mr Edwards often makes my blood boil and for the rest of the time he just annoys me! He gives the impression that he sees himself as the most important commentator of our time, even when he?s reading out the day?s COVID-19 statistics. I agree with other observations on shots, and I could not fathom why the wide camera in the studio was constantly moving sideways - I presume it was on an arm rather than crabbing, but there seemed to be no justification. I also presumed that the piper going off mic when he went through the doorway was meant to be symbolic of the soul departing from we earthly lot - but he went through too soon for my money. But a momentous occasion, for all that. Mike G > On 17 Apr 2021, at 22:33, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. > > The Queen was stage right, I think with her children in the same pew. > > The plinth the coffin was on sunk into the ground - extremely slowly - as the long list of the Duke's honours and titles was being read out. Just before the trumpeters. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM > To: dave.mdv > Cc: tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle > > I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. > I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. > I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. > It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. > I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? > I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. > Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? > I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered it, so await the answers here, > Geoff Hawkes > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave >> >>>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>>> Dave D >>>> David Denness >>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>> 07836 371108 >>>> -- Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sun Apr 18 02:08:05 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:08:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <4E9B6941-465D-4BFC-B66B-0D87DB3A09E0@mac.com> References: <4E9B6941-465D-4BFC-B66B-0D87DB3A09E0@mac.com> Message-ID: <5D507C1E-CF9E-4FBF-9B02-4F686C41E634@mac.com> My wife informs me that the GBP (Great British Press) are reporting that the GBP (Great British Public) abandoned BBC coverage of the funeral in droves because of HE, preferring Tom Bradby on ITV. Not quite the gravitas that I am seeking, but no doubt an improvement - I didn?t think to make the switch, but I presume that the coverage of the overall event would have been shared. Mike G > On 17 Apr 2021, at 23:12, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?There were no individual closing credits - just BBC Studios. > > And where oh where is someone with the gravitas of a Dimbleby? I gather he?s a very nice chap, but Mr Edwards often makes my blood boil and for the rest of the time he just annoys me! He gives the impression that he sees himself as the most important commentator of our time, even when he?s reading out the day?s COVID-19 statistics. > > I agree with other observations on shots, and I could not fathom why the wide camera in the studio was constantly moving sideways - I presume it was on an arm rather than crabbing, but there seemed to be no justification. > > I also presumed that the piper going off mic when he went through the doorway was meant to be symbolic of the soul departing from we earthly lot - but he went through too soon for my money. > > But a momentous occasion, for all that. > > Mike G > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 22:33, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. >> >> The Queen was stage right, I think with her children in the same pew. >> >> The plinth the coffin was on sunk into the ground - extremely slowly - as the long list of the Duke's honours and titles was being read out. Just before the trumpeters. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM >> To: dave.mdv >> Cc: tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle >> >> I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. >> I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. >> I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. >> It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. >> I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? >> I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. >> Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? >> I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered it, so await the answers here, >> Geoff Hawkes >> >>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave >>> >>>>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>>>> Dave D >>>>> David Denness >>>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>>> 07836 371108 >>>>> -- Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Apr 18 02:18:54 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:18:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <4E9B6941-465D-4BFC-B66B-0D87DB3A09E0@mac.com> References: <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> <4E9B6941-465D-4BFC-B66B-0D87DB3A09E0@mac.com> Message-ID: <41D8AE97-6EA3-449B-A00E-6433547A1422@icloud.com> The ?post match? report was just that, exactly what they do on football matches with the wide sht camera wandering ariund for now discenable reason. That was the point I switched off. ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Apr 2021, at 23:11, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > There were no individual closing credits - just BBC Studios. > > And where oh where is someone with the gravitas of a Dimbleby? I gather he?s a very nice chap, but Mr Edwards often makes my blood boil and for the rest of the time he just annoys me! He gives the impression that he sees himself as the most important commentator of our time, even when he?s reading out the day?s COVID-19 statistics. > > I agree with other observations on shots, and I could not fathom why the wide camera in the studio was constantly moving sideways - I presume it was on an arm rather than crabbing, but there seemed to be no justification. > > I also presumed that the piper going off mic when he went through the doorway was meant to be symbolic of the soul departing from we earthly lot - but he went through too soon for my money. > > But a momentous occasion, for all that. > > Mike G > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 22:33, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. >> >> The Queen was stage right, I think with her children in the same pew. >> >> The plinth the coffin was on sunk into the ground - extremely slowly - as the long list of the Duke's honours and titles was being read out. Just before the trumpeters. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM >> To: dave.mdv >> Cc: tech1 >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle >> >> I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. >> I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. >> I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. >> It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. >> I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? >> I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. >> Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? >> I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered it, so await the answers here, >> Geoff Hawkes >> >>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave >>> >>>>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>>>> Dave D >>>>> David Denness >>>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>>> 07836 371108 >>>>> -- Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sun Apr 18 02:31:42 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <5D507C1E-CF9E-4FBF-9B02-4F686C41E634@mac.com> References: <5D507C1E-CF9E-4FBF-9B02-4F686C41E634@mac.com> Message-ID: Generally speaking, the commentator got a host broadcaster has an inherent advantage over other commentators using the same feed. The host commentator can mention things which prompts the director to choose shots appropriately, or alternatively is listening to talkback and can lead the viewer towards what is about to be shown. I do think that modern commentators can learn much from Richard Dimbleby and even more so from his boss, Seymour Joly de Lotbiniere ( Lobby ), during the early days of television. It boils down to ?less is more?. Let the pictures do the talking and only talk when you have something worthwhile to add. If you fancy a long read about Lobby?s views about sport commentaries, try this. There have been times when I have wanted to pop a printout of the article into a commentator?s briefcase. https://dspace.stir.ac.uk/bitstream/1893/1565/1/Lobby.pdf Alan Taylor > On 18 Apr 2021, at 08:08, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My wife informs me that the GBP (Great British Press) are reporting that the GBP (Great British Public) abandoned BBC coverage of the funeral in droves because of HE, preferring Tom Bradby on ITV. Not quite the gravitas that I am seeking, but no doubt an improvement - I didn?t think to make the switch, but I presume that the coverage of the overall event would have been shared. > > Mike G > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 23:12, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?There were no individual closing credits - just BBC Studios. >> >> And where oh where is someone with the gravitas of a Dimbleby? I gather he?s a very nice chap, but Mr Edwards often makes my blood boil and for the rest of the time he just annoys me! He gives the impression that he sees himself as the most important commentator of our time, even when he?s reading out the day?s COVID-19 statistics. >> >> I agree with other observations on shots, and I could not fathom why the wide camera in the studio was constantly moving sideways - I presume it was on an arm rather than crabbing, but there seemed to be no justification. >> >> I also presumed that the piper going off mic when he went through the doorway was meant to be symbolic of the soul departing from we earthly lot - but he went through too soon for my money. >> >> But a momentous occasion, for all that. >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 22:33, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. >>> >>> The Queen was stage right, I think with her children in the same pew. >>> >>> The plinth the coffin was on sunk into the ground - extremely slowly - as the long list of the Duke's honours and titles was being read out. Just before the trumpeters. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM >>> To: dave.mdv >>> Cc: tech1 >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle >>> >>> I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. >>> I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. >>> I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. >>> It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. >>> I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? >>> I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. >>> Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? >>> I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered it, so await the answers here, >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>>>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>>>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>>>>> Dave D >>>>>> David Denness >>>>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>>>> 07836 371108 >>>>>> -- Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 02:37:10 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 08:37:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <41D8AE97-6EA3-449B-A00E-6433547A1422@icloud.com> References: <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> <4E9B6941-465D-4BFC-B66B-0D87DB3A09E0@mac.com> <41D8AE97-6EA3-449B-A00E-6433547A1422@icloud.com> Message-ID: Quite liked the Sky coverage and commentary. Stayed with it throughout. Thought the piper walking away and his pipes fading as he went was correct - it was a lament and highly symbolic in my opinion. Endless repeats, analyses and general rehashes on all channels very irritating - still going on this morning. Just like on the evening of his demise - too much of it. He was a decent chap and all that, but there is other news to report. Geoff F On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 at 08:19, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > The ?post match? report was just that, exactly what they do on football > matches with the wide sht camera wandering ariund for now discenable > reason. That was the point I switched off. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 17 Apr 2021, at 23:11, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > There were no individual closing credits - just BBC Studios. > > > > And where oh where is someone with the gravitas of a Dimbleby? I gather > he?s a very nice chap, but Mr Edwards often makes my blood boil and for the > rest of the time he just annoys me! He gives the impression that he sees > himself as the most important commentator of our time, even when he?s > reading out the day?s COVID-19 statistics. > > > > I agree with other observations on shots, and I could not fathom why the > wide camera in the studio was constantly moving sideways - I presume it was > on an arm rather than crabbing, but there seemed to be no justification. > > > > I also presumed that the piper going off mic when he went through the > doorway was meant to be symbolic of the soul departing from we earthly lot > - but he went through too soon for my money. > > > > But a momentous occasion, for all that. > > > > Mike G > > > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 22:33, David Brunt via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> ?I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the > bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound > like a fade. > >> > >> The Queen was stage right, I think with her children in the same pew. > >> > >> The plinth the coffin was on sunk into the ground - extremely slowly - > as the long list of the Duke's honours and titles was being read out. Just > before the trumpeters. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > >> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM > >> To: dave.mdv > >> Cc: tech1 > >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle > >> > >> I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated > mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather > over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced > some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like > always rolling their Rs. > >> I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the > vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the > uninteresting empty floor space along the way. > >> I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could > see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. > The same for the trumpeters at the end. > >> It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed > mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the > coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the > time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like > hers but I couldn?t be sure. > >> I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in > a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the > blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said > the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the > shot? > >> I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio > afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from > Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when > Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him > in his earpiece. > >> Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what > sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone > else notice that? > >> I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, > vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered > it, so await the answers here, > >> Geoff Hawkes > >> > >>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > >>> > >>> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano > voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they > have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! > Cheers, Dave > >>> > >>>>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > >>>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. > >>>> ? > >>>> Graeme Wall > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor > Castle today? > >>>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV > >>>>> Dave D > >>>>> David Denness > >>>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court > >>>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN > >>>>> 07836 371108 > >>>>> -- Tech1 mailing list > >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Apr 18 04:14:00 2021 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:14:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7D32AA1B-6C52-4FFC-8ACD-719EEE738955@btinternet.com> I thought the sound coverage of the event excellent The backgrounds eerily quiet for Windsor. The miking was indeed unobtrusive and well balanced inside and out. I did notice 4 Schoepes mics on spherical bases and long stems on the procession into the Chapel Choir. For the choral content and brass finale they were absent. Is it possible to' paint out' objects during a live event? If so , well done , it intrigued me. The picture content was sharp and detailed but forever moving pointlessly and the top shot interiors almost annoying . Ultra wides have their place but not when it threatens the architecture. Anyhow Well done All, it was brilliant. Roger > On 17 Apr 2021, at 22:22, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. > I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. > I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. > It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. > I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? > I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. > Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? > I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC OB that covered it, so await the answers here, > Geoff Hawkes > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave >> >>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV >>>> Dave D >>>> David Denness >>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>> 07836 371108 >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 18 04:15:36 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 10:15:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> References: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> <2E90BFFFDEFA4A61AF41FEB296BCB2CB@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <607bf8b8.1c69fb81.151b3.f8c9@mx.google.com> I hadn?t realised that it was broadcast, so only caught the last half from the repeat. I also wondered how the choristers were covered ? it was so open a sound that I wondered if it had just been on camera mics. Certainly not miked individually, as the sound of the solo did not match the shot. Nick Ware has a great deal of experience of recording in these large places ? viz: St. Paul?s and Guilford Cathedrals, and St. Vitus? Cathedral in Prague (!). Maybe you might have an idea, Nick? The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade out, much tidier. Bugles and trumpets sounded OK. Screeching soprano: I used to record the Guildford Chamber Choir, an amateur group who could sound pretty good. However, on one occasion, I was so used to them, that I set up the kit, and faded up, only to hear horrendous distortion. Suspected the head amps of the mics, no, they were fine, the mixer then? No, that was OK. Went to listen, live. Same distortion. Had a word with the MD, at a suitable break. Yes, he said, he knew exactly the problem. It?s the sopranos, they all want to be soloists, and are not blending. After a bit of bullying, it got sorted out! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2021 22:33 To: Geoffrey Hawkes; dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. > On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice > which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got > several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, > Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sun Apr 18 05:20:24 2021 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:20:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: <7D32AA1B-6C52-4FFC-8ACD-719EEE738955@btinternet.com> References: <86d507fb-49ae-90ff-8168-ae910b92f507@btinternet.com> <7D32AA1B-6C52-4FFC-8ACD-719EEE738955@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <002901d7343c$722098e0$5661caa0$@gmail.com> I completely agree with Roger, technically brilliant especially sound coverage Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 18 April 2021 10:14 To: Geoffrey Hawkes Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I thought the sound coverage of the event excellent The backgrounds eerily quiet for Windsor. The miking was indeed unobtrusive and well balanced inside and out. I did notice 4 Schoepes mics on spherical bases and long stems on the procession into the Chapel Choir. For the choral content and brass finale they were absent. Is it possible to' paint out' objects during a live event? If so , well done , it intrigued me. The picture content was sharp and detailed but forever moving pointlessly and the top shot interiors almost annoying . Ultra wides have their place but not when it threatens the architecture. Anyhow Well done All, it was brilliant. Roger > On 17 Apr 2021, at 22:22, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, like always rolling their Rs. > I think the director/crew overdid the shots panning down from the vaulted ceiling, especially when it meant showing a lot of the uninteresting empty floor space along the way. > I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. > It took me a while to work out where HM was sitting as they only showed mid-shots of her in place and not a geography shot to relate her to the coffin, which would?ve been nice. I know she had her head bowed most of the time and in the wide shots I was just able to see a hat which looked like hers but I couldn?t be sure. > I also missed seeing the coffin disappearing during that bit as like in a Paul Daniels trick it had just vanished by the time they cut back for the blessings. Was it lowered through a hole in the floor or what? They said the Queen was watching as it went but perhaps I just missed the seeing the shot? > I wasn?t impressed with Huw Edwards? presentation in the studio afterwards, especially when he remarked about the reading from Ecclesiastes, when it was from the apocryphal book, Ecclesiasticus when Ecclesiastes only has 12 chapters not 43. Someone should?ve corrected him in his earpiece. > Incidentally, during the exterior shots at the end, I could hear what sounded like talkback breaking through for ten seconds or so. Did anyone else notice that? > I didn?t have time to wait for the end credits to see who the > director, vision mixer and camera supervisor were or if it was a BBC > OB that covered it, so await the answers here, Geoff Hawkes > >> On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano >> voice which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely >> they have got several boy trebles who could have done the job far >> better! Yuk! Cheers, Dave >> >>> On 17/04/2021 15:59, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> Don?t know but the director seemed scared of mixes. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 17 Apr 2021, at 15:18, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Anyone know what units and/or crews are covering events at Windsor Castle today? >>>> Harry and Meghan wedding was NEP BBC/World and Telegenic ITV Dave D >>>> David Denness >>>> 2 Cambridge Park Court >>>> Twickenham TW1 2JN >>>> 07836 371108 >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.jasma at sky.com Sun Apr 18 05:45:09 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:45:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle References: Message-ID: The comment from Pat Heighams - 'The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade out, much tidier', somewhat missed the point in that he was playing a lament. My wife is Scottish and her comment was that it was done correctly. The piper played the start looking towards the camera - presumably towards the congregation, then turned and slowly moved away playing as he went, so that the sound as heard in the church faded out naturally. OK, I know all the jokes about bagpipes are better heard receding into the distance, but having lived north of the border for about 17/18 years, I have done quite a number of recordings of the instrument and have grown to like the sound. (Our cat, on the other hand, always complains when she hears the sound!) I've actually made a video as to how a set of bagpipe is made for the 80th birthday of Fred Olsen. Fred loves Scotland and has an estate west of where we live. His wife commissioned a set of bagpipes for his birthday and a friend of mine who was looking after getting them made, thought it was a good idea to show how a set was made. I spent a day at the workshop of a slightly 'mad' Australian shooting the video, which I finished off with a montage of photos of his house and gardens with a sound track of Highland Cathedral being played on bagpipes. Dave Buckley (A welshman married to a Scots lass, and living in Scotland!) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Apr 18 05:51:23 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 11:51:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. In-Reply-To: <591e87dce2davesound@btinternet.com> References: <2F2197B9-B269-4863-AEC7-08A54019DACF@me.com> <591e87dce2davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <607c0f2b.1c69fb81.6810.2e9e@mx.google.com> Eventually, I had to have cataract surgery on my right eye ? 3 years later, on the left, as it wasn?t ready at the same time. I opted for Optegra in Guildford, medical Health insurance covered the cost, about ?2,600 each, and the lovely Irish surgeon lady* turned out to have been the senior eye surgeon at Moorfields. When she asked me how it was, I exclaimed that everything was clearer, bluer, whiter than the old eye. She said it was the same old eye, but I pointed out that it was a new lens! She asked if I wanted a running commentary as to what was happening ? no!, I didn?t want to know! Although being highly apprehensive for the first one, when it came to the second, I was irritated that it seemed to be taking longer, but it wasn?t that bad, having been through it before. If anyone is contemplating cataract surgery, I produced a descriptive document for a friend who was nervous, laying out exactly what to expect during the procedure. Welcome for anyone to have it. (* on the day, she came into the waiting area, hidden behind her scrubs, saying that I wouldn?t recognise her ? I said that she couldn?t hide her Dublin accent, so of course I did!). A recent optometrist sight test confirmed that I can read the police number plate test, 100%, so OK for a new driving licence. Incidentally, Mike Jordan mentions 25ft for the number plate test. In good daylight, you must be able to read a vehicle number plate from a distance of 20 metres, 66ft (or from a distance of 20.5 metres for old style number plates). If you want to do your own number plate test, when walking down a street or in a car park, 20 metres is about 5 car lengths. Regards Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2021 11:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] New subject - cataract surgery. My brother has just had the same, and equally successful. But in his part of Scotland, the NHS waiting list was over two years, so he paid some ?4000 to have it done privately. However, he opted to have a general anaesthetic. 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Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 18 April 2021 11:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle The comment from Pat Heighams - 'The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade out, much tidier', somewhat missed the point in that he was playing a lament. My wife is Scottish and her comment was that it was done correctly. The piper played the start looking towards the camera - presumably towards the congregation, then turned and slowly moved away playing as he went, so that the sound as heard in the church faded out naturally. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Apr 18 06:37:49 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 12:37:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thankyou, Dave, I thought it was just me. I thought the effect of the pipes going off into the distance was precisely what was intended - so sad, melancholy. Full marks from me, at any rate, on the whole. Agreed that the soprano was a bit OTT, otherwise an excellent OB. I, too, get very cross with every shot having to move, it seems to be universal. Very annoying to old skoolers Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 18 Apr 2021, at 11:45, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > The comment from Pat Heighams - 'The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade out, much tidier', somewhat missed the point in that he was playing a lament. My wife is Scottish and her comment was that it was done correctly. The piper played the start looking towards the camera - presumably towards the congregation, then turned and slowly moved away playing as he went, so that the sound as heard in the church faded out naturally. > > OK, I know all the jokes about bagpipes are better heard receding into the distance, but having lived north of the border for about 17/18 years, I have done quite a number of recordings of the instrument and have grown to like the sound. (Our cat, on the other hand, always complains when she hears the sound!) > > I've actually made a video as to how a set of bagpipe is made for the 80th birthday of Fred Olsen. Fred loves Scotland and has an estate west of where we live. His wife commissioned a set of bagpipes for his birthday and a friend of mine who was looking after getting them made, thought it was a good idea to show how a set was made. I spent a day at the workshop of a slightly 'mad' Australian shooting the video, which I finished off with a montage of photos of his house and gardens with a sound track of Highland Cathedral being played on bagpipes. > > Dave Buckley > (A welshman married to a Scots lass, and living in Scotland!) > > > > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 18 08:04:34 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 13:04:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle Message-ID: ? The choir consisted of only four singers, three men from the Chapel choir, plus the soprano, who I agree, didn?t sit well with the others. A friend of the family, maybe? - I?ll find out. If you had suggested individually miking them they would probably rip your head off, or at the very least, cry with laughter! I too thought the overall sound nicely restrained, as though you were there. And as to the piper going off mic. So what? It matched the shot and was very moving and poignant. I did wonder whether any or all of those cameras actually had camera operators as we know ?em. I?ve done various shows such as Super Vets, medicals, pub quizzes, etc., where all the cameras are robotic, and the control system can store quite a number of pre-set shots, movements, etc. One director/operator (or you could have more) can select any camera and remote control it with amazing precision and dexterity via a joystick device. As everything in and around the Castle and chapel was rigidly planned and rehearsed, robotic cameras would provide a pretty ideal Covid compliant option. I?m sure none of it was thrown together at the last minute! But I wasn?t there, and watched by no means all of it, so what do I know?! On Super Vets the cameras remain pre-rigged in the key shooting areas throughout the series, and one PSC-support cameraman does the mobile content. The last time I was there, four camera outputs would be ingested quadruply (quadrutaneously?) into a rack mounted PC. Ditto on other progs in operating theatres, hospitals, even inside ambulances. Once rigged, there?s no crew there at all 90% of the time. Sound was done with a rack mounted Behringer digital mixer which has no ?tactile? control surface at all! Audio ?scenes? were programmed to follow video, with up to 16 audio ISO tracks per video source. And now, we?re starting to see TV gameshows made that way too. Everything interconnected with nothing more than DANTE (CAT5) cabling. The last time I did a shoot of that sort was 2016, so I daresay it?s all gone even further that way since then. I decided it was time to quit, as I was expected to set up not just the sound, but to tech-support everything! Cheers, Nick. See: http://minicams.tv/category/robotic-cameras/ Pub quiz (5 camerasj: [cid:95C0E5C3-8226-4975-ADB3-1F83E69113A3] Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Apr 2021, at 10:16, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I hadn?t realised that it was broadcast, so only caught the last half from the repeat. I also wondered how the choristers were covered ? it was so open a sound that I wondered if it had just been on camera mics. Certainly not miked individually, as the sound of the solo did not match the shot. Nick Ware has a great deal of experience of recording in these large places ? viz: St. Paul?s and Guilford Cathedrals, and St. Vitus? Cathedral in Prague (!). Maybe you might have an idea, Nick? The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade out, much tidier. Bugles and trumpets sounded OK. Screeching soprano: I used to record the Guildford Chamber Choir, an amateur group who could sound pretty good. However, on one occasion, I was so used to them, that I set up the kit, and faded up, only to hear horrendous distortion. Suspected the head amps of the mics, no, they were fine, the mixer then? No, that was OK. Went to listen, live. Same distortion. Had a word with the MD, at a suitable break. Yes, he said, he knew exactly the problem. It?s the sopranos, they all want to be soloists, and are not blending. After a bit of bullying, it got sorted out! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2021 22:33 To: Geoffrey Hawkes; dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. > On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice > which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got > several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, > Dave ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 531553 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Apr 18 08:27:42 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 14:27:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <591f1da630davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > The choir consisted of only four singers, three men from the Chapel > choir, plus the soprano, who I agree, didn?t sit well with the others. A > friend of the family, maybe? - I?ll find out. If you had suggested > individually miking them they would probably rip your head off, or at > the very least, cry with laughter! I too thought the overall sound > nicely restrained, as though you were there. And as to the piper going > off mic. So what? It matched the shot and was very moving and poignant. I thought it pretty good and natural too. IMHO we are all too used to hearing radio mics with zero perspective. Same as with a tight multi-miked band. As in drama - where an on stage band is supposed to being heard from the dance floor, but always has an immaculate balance. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sun Apr 18 09:36:43 2021 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:36:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50008109-772d-50b5-4896-34b62e75de9b@btinternet.com> ?Methinks rehearsal opportunities would have been limited, although the Director, Claire Popplewell, knew the venue from the Harry-Meghan wedding and more. For me, all four singers were fine, but the soprano's higher notes 'tizzed' my TV's Yamaha sound-bar; or was that a gremlin at source? I still marvel that OB Events like this still have the expertise on hand that could have been lost at the end of the Craxton, Gilbert, Lumley era - apologies to those I've missed - with principles of 'live' camera and sound operation to match.? By now, I'd expected the studio based ability to re-shoot and re-edit would have compromised the actualit?, but no. Similarly for the Proms; still such a pleasure. I don't feel that sport is as demanding, but somehow there seems to be enough live output to keep the skills honed.? When 'live' is truly 'live' the demands on the Director, Vision Mixer, Lighting, Sound and Cameras - plus presenters and SMs - to get it right first time every time, are still those that so energise the Tech.1 exchanges. Long may it continue. And it was brave in the current style of 'look at me' - 'listen to me' era of personalised presentation, for Huw Edwards to have been silent for so much of the time. Hugh On 18-Apr-21 2:04 PM, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ? > The choir consisted of only four singers, three men from the Chapel > choir, plus the soprano, who I agree, didn?t sit well with the others. > A friend of the family, maybe? - I?ll find out. If you had suggested > individually miking them they would probably rip your head off, or at > the very least, cry with laughter! I too thought the overall sound > nicely restrained, as though you were there. > And as to the piper going off mic. So what? It matched the shot and > was very moving and poignant. > I did wonder whether any or all of those cameras actually had camera > operators as we know ?em. I?ve done various shows such as Super Vets, > medicals, pub quizzes, etc., where all the cameras are robotic, and > the control system can store quite a number of pre-set shots, > movements, etc. One director/operator (or you could have more) can > select any camera and remote control it with amazing precision and > dexterity via a joystick device. As everything in and around the > Castle and chapel was rigidly planned and rehearsed, robotic cameras > would provide a pretty ideal Covid compliant option. I?m sure none of > it was thrown together at the last minute! > But I wasn?t there, and watched by no means all of it, so what do I know?! > > On Super Vets the cameras remain pre-rigged in the key shooting areas > throughout the series, and one PSC-support cameraman does the mobile > content. The last time I was there, four camera outputs would be > ingested quadruply (quadrutaneously?) into a rack mounted PC. Ditto on > other progs in operating theatres, hospitals, even inside ambulances. > Once rigged, there?s no crew there at all 90% of the time. Sound was > done with a rack mounted Behringer digital mixer which has no > ?tactile? control surface at all! Audio ?scenes? were programmed to > follow video, with up to 16 audio ISO tracks per video source. And > now, we?re starting to see TV gameshows made that way too. Everything > interconnected with nothing more than DANTE (CAT5) cabling. The last > time I did a shoot of that sort was 2016, so I daresay it?s all gone > even further that way since then. I decided it was time to quit, as I > was expected to set up not just the sound, but to tech-support everything! > Cheers, > Nick. > See: http://minicams.tv/category/robotic-cameras/ > Pub quiz (5 camerasj: > > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 18 Apr 2021, at 10:16, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> I hadn?t realised that it was broadcast, so only caught the last half >> from the repeat. I also wondered how the choristers were covered ? it >> was so open a sound that I wondered if it had just been on camera >> mics. Certainly not miked individually, as the sound of the solo did >> not match the shot. Nick Ware has a great deal of experience of >> recording in these large places ? viz: St. Paul?s and Guilford >> Cathedrals, and St. Vitus? Cathedral in Prague (!). Maybe you might >> have an idea, Nick? >> >> The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? >> a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade >> out, much tidier. >> >> Bugles and trumpets sounded OK. >> >> Screeching soprano: I used to record the Guildford Chamber Choir, an >> amateur group who could sound pretty good. However, on one occasion, >> I was so used to them, that I set up the kit, and faded up, only to >> hear horrendous distortion. Suspected the head amps of the mics, no, >> they were fine, the mixer then? No, that was OK. Went to listen, >> live. Same distortion. Had a word with the MD, at a suitable break. >> Yes, he said, he knew exactly the problem. It?s the sopranos, they >> all want to be soloists, and are not blending. After a bit of >> bullying, it got sorted out! >> >> Best >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *David Brunt via Tech1 >> *Sent: *17 April 2021 22:33 >> *To: *Geoffrey Hawkes ; dave.mdv >> >> *Cc: *tech1 >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle >> >> I don't think the musicians were miked up separately.? When the bagpiper >> >> wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound >> like a >> >> fade. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM >> >> To: dave.mdv >> >> Cc: tech1 >> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle >> >> I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated >> >> mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed >> rather >> >> over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they >> pronounced >> >> some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, >> >> I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I >> could see >> >> no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. >> The >> >> same for the trumpeters at the end. >> >> > On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano >> voice >> >> > which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they >> have got >> >> > several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! >> Cheers, >> >> > Dave >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 531553 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Apr 18 15:19:13 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 21:19:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree that the bagpipe sequence was very moving and had a natural fade as intended. The overall sound was excellent, apart from that b***dy soprano, surely St. Georges Chapel had a Senior chorister available who would have blended in perfectly with his fellow choir members. I have mentioned previously about my two versions of Faur?'s Requiem, the best being by King's College Choir and the worst with Kiri Te Kanawa doing the soprano solos - yuk! She has a great voice but it just didn't mix with the others. I assume that the chapel was rigged by BBC Radio OBs , as is the norm, for state occasions such as this. In St.Paul's, for Di's wedding, the 'wedding vows' mike was hung for several days before the event to allow the natural twist in the cable to unwind and stabilise. All broadcasters would have been given a feed of the audio FOC! (the price of still being the National Broadcaster!). Cheers, Dave On 18/04/2021 14:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ? > The choir consisted of only four singers, three men from the Chapel > choir, plus the soprano, who I agree, didn?t sit well with the others. > A friend of the family, maybe? - I?ll find out. If you had suggested > individually miking them they would probably rip your head off, or at > the very least, cry with laughter! I too thought the overall sound > nicely restrained, as though you were there. > And as to the piper going off mic. So what? It matched the shot and > was very moving and poignant. > I did wonder whether any or all of those cameras actually had camera > operators as we know ?em. I?ve done various shows such as Super Vets, > medicals, pub quizzes, etc., where all the cameras are robotic, and > the control system can store quite a number of pre-set shots, > movements, etc. One director/operator (or you could have more) can > select any camera and remote control it with amazing precision and > dexterity via a joystick device. As everything in and around the > Castle and chapel was rigidly planned and rehearsed, robotic cameras > would provide a pretty ideal Covid compliant option. I?m sure none of > it was thrown together at the last minute! > But I wasn?t there, and watched by no means all of it, so what do I know?! > > On Super Vets the cameras remain pre-rigged in the key shooting areas > throughout the series, and one PSC-support cameraman does the mobile > content. The last time I was there, four camera outputs would be > ingested quadruply (quadrutaneously?) into a rack mounted PC. Ditto on > other progs in operating theatres, hospitals, even inside ambulances. > Once rigged, there?s no crew there at all 90% of the time. Sound was > done with a rack mounted Behringer digital mixer which has no > ?tactile? control surface at all! Audio ?scenes? were programmed to > follow video, with up to 16 audio ISO tracks per video source. And > now, we?re starting to see TV gameshows made that way too. Everything > interconnected with nothing more than DANTE (CAT5) cabling. The last > time I did a shoot of that sort was 2016, so I daresay it?s all gone > even further that way since then. I decided it was time to quit, as I > was expected to set up not just the sound, but to tech-support everything! > Cheers, > Nick. > See: http://minicams.tv/category/robotic-cameras/ > Pub quiz (5 camerasj: > > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 18 Apr 2021, at 10:16, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> I hadn?t realised that it was broadcast, so only caught the last half >> from the repeat. I also wondered how the choristers were covered ? it >> was so open a sound that I wondered if it had just been on camera >> mics. Certainly not miked individually, as the sound of the solo did >> not match the shot. Nick Ware has a great deal of experience of >> recording in these large places ? viz: St. Paul?s and Guilford >> Cathedrals, and St. Vitus? Cathedral in Prague (!). Maybe you might >> have an idea, Nick? >> >> The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? >> a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade >> out, much tidier. >> >> Bugles and trumpets sounded OK. >> >> Screeching soprano: I used to record the Guildford Chamber Choir, an >> amateur group who could sound pretty good. However, on one occasion, >> I was so used to them, that I set up the kit, and faded up, only to >> hear horrendous distortion. Suspected the head amps of the mics, no, >> they were fine, the mixer then? No, that was OK. Went to listen, >> live. Same distortion. Had a word with the MD, at a suitable break. >> Yes, he said, he knew exactly the problem. It?s the sopranos, they >> all want to be soloists, and are not blending. After a bit of >> bullying, it got sorted out! >> >> Best >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *David Brunt via Tech1 >> *Sent: *17 April 2021 22:33 >> *To: *Geoffrey Hawkes ; dave.mdv >> >> *Cc: *tech1 >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle >> >> I don't think the musicians were miked up separately.? When the bagpiper >> >> wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound >> like a >> >> fade. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 >> >> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM >> >> To: dave.mdv >> >> Cc: tech1 >> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle >> >> I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated >> >> mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed >> rather >> >> over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they >> pronounced >> >> some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, >> >> I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I >> could see >> >> no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. >> The >> >> same for the trumpeters at the end. >> >> > On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano >> voice >> >> > which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they >> have got >> >> > several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! 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Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 531553 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Waresound at msn.com Sun Apr 18 17:38:47 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2021 22:38:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor Castle In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: The Soprano is the wife of one of the St George?s chapel choir men (lay clerks), chosen I imagine because they know and sing with her, and possibly (I?m guessing) that an adult family member was good Covid-wise, whereas a lone treble chorister would in this crazy day and age require a chaperone. Listening to it again, I think it worked fine as a quartet in that situation, but I don?t think anyone, least of all them, would deny that the full choir would have been far preferable. In a group of four as opposed to a choir of 30+, the SATB parts are inevitably much more exposed! Another guess is that the four of them may have been known to Prince Philip because private impromptu recitals are not unusual, but that we?ll probably never know. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Apr 2021, at 21:19, dave.mdv wrote: ? I agree that the bagpipe sequence was very moving and had a natural fade as intended. The overall sound was excellent, apart from that b***dy soprano, surely St. Georges Chapel had a Senior chorister available who would have blended in perfectly with his fellow choir members. I have mentioned previously about my two versions of Faur?'s Requiem, the best being by King's College Choir and the worst with Kiri Te Kanawa doing the soprano solos - yuk! She has a great voice but it just didn't mix with the others. I assume that the chapel was rigged by BBC Radio OBs , as is the norm, for state occasions such as this. In St.Paul's, for Di's wedding, the 'wedding vows' mike was hung for several days before the event to allow the natural twist in the cable to unwind and stabilise. All broadcasters would have been given a feed of the audio FOC! (the price of still being the National Broadcaster!). Cheers, Dave On 18/04/2021 14:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? The choir consisted of only four singers, three men from the Chapel choir, plus the soprano, who I agree, didn?t sit well with the others. A friend of the family, maybe? - I?ll find out. If you had suggested individually miking them they would probably rip your head off, or at the very least, cry with laughter! I too thought the overall sound nicely restrained, as though you were there. And as to the piper going off mic. So what? It matched the shot and was very moving and poignant. I did wonder whether any or all of those cameras actually had camera operators as we know ?em. I?ve done various shows such as Super Vets, medicals, pub quizzes, etc., where all the cameras are robotic, and the control system can store quite a number of pre-set shots, movements, etc. One director/operator (or you could have more) can select any camera and remote control it with amazing precision and dexterity via a joystick device. As everything in and around the Castle and chapel was rigidly planned and rehearsed, robotic cameras would provide a pretty ideal Covid compliant option. I?m sure none of it was thrown together at the last minute! But I wasn?t there, and watched by no means all of it, so what do I know?! On Super Vets the cameras remain pre-rigged in the key shooting areas throughout the series, and one PSC-support cameraman does the mobile content. The last time I was there, four camera outputs would be ingested quadruply (quadrutaneously?) into a rack mounted PC. Ditto on other progs in operating theatres, hospitals, even inside ambulances. Once rigged, there?s no crew there at all 90% of the time. Sound was done with a rack mounted Behringer digital mixer which has no ?tactile? control surface at all! Audio ?scenes? were programmed to follow video, with up to 16 audio ISO tracks per video source. And now, we?re starting to see TV gameshows made that way too. Everything interconnected with nothing more than DANTE (CAT5) cabling. The last time I did a shoot of that sort was 2016, so I daresay it?s all gone even further that way since then. I decided it was time to quit, as I was expected to set up not just the sound, but to tech-support everything! Cheers, Nick. See: http://minicams.tv/category/robotic-cameras/ Pub quiz (5 camerasj: [cid:part1.53256D7C.602AF329 at btinternet.com] Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Apr 2021, at 10:16, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I hadn?t realised that it was broadcast, so only caught the last half from the repeat. I also wondered how the choristers were covered ? it was so open a sound that I wondered if it had just been on camera mics. Certainly not miked individually, as the sound of the solo did not match the shot. Nick Ware has a great deal of experience of recording in these large places ? viz: St. Paul?s and Guilford Cathedrals, and St. Vitus? Cathedral in Prague (!). Maybe you might have an idea, Nick? The piper wandering off through the doorway was disturbingly wrong ? a mike behind the door could have been used for a controlled fade out, much tidier. Bugles and trumpets sounded OK. Screeching soprano: I used to record the Guildford Chamber Choir, an amateur group who could sound pretty good. However, on one occasion, I was so used to them, that I set up the kit, and faded up, only to hear horrendous distortion. Suspected the head amps of the mics, no, they were fine, the mixer then? No, that was OK. Went to listen, live. Same distortion. Had a word with the MD, at a suitable break. Yes, he said, he knew exactly the problem. It?s the sopranos, they all want to be soloists, and are not blending. After a bit of bullying, it got sorted out! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 17 April 2021 22:33 To: Geoffrey Hawkes; dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I don't think the musicians were miked up separately. When the bagpiper wandered off down a corridor the mics lost his sound. Didn't sound like a fade. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2021 10:22 PM To: dave.mdv Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windsor Castle I didn?t like the lady soprano much either, mainly for the exaggerated mouthing as she sang, but the others were nearly as bad and seemed rather over earnest in their delivery, including the unnatural way they pronounced some of the words as unfortunately choristers feel the need to do, I was impressed with how the sound crew covered the singers as I could see no sign of slung mics in the wide shots and wondered how they did it. The same for the trumpeters at the end. > On 17 Apr 2021, at 17:15, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?By far the worst thing for me was the screeching operatic soprano voice > which stood out of the supposed 'blend' of the choir, surely they have got > several boy trebles who could have done the job far better! Yuk! Cheers, > Dave ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 531553 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 531553 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 19 18:04:29 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 00:04:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor choir Message-ID: <7009f57c-5f65-f954-37a9-8fc2733c6e5a@btinternet.com> Typical, jobs for the boys (and girls). Thanks Nick, it's nice to know that sleaze rules even in Holy circles! Cheers, Dave! From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 19 18:19:35 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 00:19:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Alcohol units Message-ID: How many units are in three 5% 500ml. tins, two 500ml.? 9% tins and a bottle of 12% Shiraz? Have I exceeded my daily allowance? Cheers, hic, Dave From waresound at msn.com Tue Apr 20 01:59:53 2021 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 06:59:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor choir In-Reply-To: <7009f57c-5f65-f954-37a9-8fc2733c6e5a@btinternet.com> References: <7009f57c-5f65-f954-37a9-8fc2733c6e5a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Especially there! I could tell you stories that would make your toes and everything else curl, Dave. A favourite phrase oft used by an American organist and choirmaster friend of mine is: ?The closer you are to the antenna, the worse the reception is.? Now, football: Are football fans only just discovering what the rest of us have always known? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 20 Apr 2021, at 00:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Typical, jobs for the boys (and girls). Thanks Nick, it's nice to know that sleaze rules even in Holy circles! Cheers, Dave! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Apr 20 02:31:28 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:31:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Windsor choir In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9AA3AC0A-DE63-4613-AF4C-1D5ED5EA6D47@me.com> I love the fabricated outrage of it being "just based on greed, and ruining the sport". Oh, the irony! Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 20 Apr 2021, at 08:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Especially there! I could tell you stories that would make your toes and everything else curl, Dave. A favourite phrase oft used by an American organist and choirmaster friend of mine is: > ?The closer you are to the antenna, the worse the reception is.? > > Now, football: Are football fans only just discovering what the rest of us have always known? > > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 20 Apr 2021, at 00:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Typical, jobs for the boys (and girls). Thanks Nick, it's nice to know that sleaze rules even in Holy circles! Cheers, Dave! >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Apr 20 02:56:17 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 08:56:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Alcohol units In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <607e8921.1c69fb81.ec2a9.9568@mx.google.com> If you can still focus, Dave, the containers often display the alcohol units ? but you have to be able to add-up! You may have exceeded your weekly allowance! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 20 April 2021 00:20 To: tech1; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Alcohol units How many units are in three 5% 500ml. tins, two 500ml.? 9% tins and a bottle of 12% Shiraz? Have I exceeded my daily allowance? Cheers, hic, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Apr 20 04:18:49 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2021 10:18:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] ESL, was Windsor choir In-Reply-To: <9AA3AC0A-DE63-4613-AF4C-1D5ED5EA6D47@me.com> References: <9AA3AC0A-DE63-4613-AF4C-1D5ED5EA6D47@me.com> Message-ID: <8804C5CD-3B77-455C-8FA8-D851BA6FF411@me.com> This comment in the paper today made me chuckle. Intriguing spectacle - Johnson condemning people for wanting to leave a well-established European set-up for vague promises of a richer future outside it. Alan Taylor > On 20 Apr 2021, at 08:31, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I love the fabricated outrage of it being "just based on greed, and ruining the sport". > > Oh, the irony! > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 20 Apr 2021, at 08:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Especially there! I could tell you stories that would make your toes and everything else curl, Dave. A favourite phrase oft used by an American organist and choirmaster friend of mine is: >> ?The closer you are to the antenna, the worse the reception is.? >> Now, football: Are football fans only just discovering what the rest of us have always known? >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>> On 20 Apr 2021, at 00:05, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?Typical, jobs for the boys (and girls). Thanks Nick, it's nice to know that sleaze rules even in Holy circles! Cheers, Dave! >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 11:42:24 2021 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 17:42:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A year in the life of a BBC TV Tech OP Message-ID: Hi Geoff, There is a very high probability that we worked together on one show in 1966 - "Not Only But Also"! Your diary entry (as published on Facebook) reads ... And there is an existing Tech Ops Duty Schedule Sheet for a week three weeks later -... I was on Ron Green's Crew 7 at the time - we did that whole series of "Not Only But Also" on succeeding Sundays,? and then on the Tuesday and Wednesday of the week we did "Softly Softly" - going live with the latter programme at 20:10 on the Wednesday. (Schools progs and whatever else on the other days, probably Saturdays ...) So it is almost a certainty that we worked together (or were at least n the same studio!) on Sunday 9th January 1966 .... I can not definitely confirm, as my diaries went west soon after I left the Beeb (at the end of May 1967) and in any case they did not contain as much detail as yours! It is interesting to note that NOBA was in TC4 and then in TC1? - a bit peripatetic.? That's probably why I got confused some time back as to which studio NOBA was in (an excuse - at last!!) I remember this time for one particular reason - socialisation! I joined a club in Reading, which met on Wednesday evenings.? We then got "Softly Softly"? - the whole series - so that meant that that particular club was written off.? I then joined Reading Ramblers, which met on Sundays - and then we got the series of "Not Only But Also", so the Sunday rambling was written off... Apologies for not having done this as a comment on Facebook - but anyway, thanks very much for publishing the account of the year in the life of a BBC TV Technical Operator! -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: eenenbibllmakkkj.png Type: image/png Size: 46092 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Geoff F > > Hi Geoff, > > There is a very high probability that we worked together on one show in 1966 - "Not Only But Also"! > > Your diary entry (as published on Facebook) reads ... > > > > And there is an existing Tech Ops Duty Schedule Sheet for a week three weeks later -... > > > > > > I was on Ron Green's Crew 7 at the time - we did that whole series of "Not Only But Also" on succeeding Sundays, and then on the Tuesday and Wednesday of the week we did "Softly Softly" - going live with the latter programme at 20:10 on the Wednesday. (Schools progs and whatever else on the other days, probably Saturdays ...) > > So it is almost a certainty that we worked together (or were at least n the same studio!) on Sunday 9th January 1966 .... > > I can not definitely confirm, as my diaries went west soon after I left the Beeb (at the end of May 1967) and in any case they did not contain as much detail as yours! > > It is interesting to note that NOBA was in TC4 and then in TC1 - a bit peripatetic. That's probably why I got confused some time back as to which studio NOBA was in (an excuse - at last!!) > > I remember this time for one particular reason - socialisation! I joined a club in Reading, which met on Wednesday evenings. We then got "Softly Softly" - the whole series - so that meant that that particular club was written off. I then joined Reading Ramblers, which met on Sundays - and then we got the series of "Not Only But Also", so the Sunday rambling was written off... > > > > Apologies for not having done this as a comment on Facebook - but anyway, thanks very much for publishing the account of the year in the life of a BBC TV Technical Operator! > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sunday 9th January 1966.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 81237 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Apr 22 12:06:03 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2021 18:06:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A year in the life of a BBC TV Tech OP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Alec, Thanks for the feedback. I was Duty Standby Tracker Pool that day, and Ron didn?t need my services, so I had a free day and just amused myself, reporting back to TC4 now and again in case he changed his mind. Ron was a great bloke. He used to laugh at all the jokes on NOBA - I can hear him now in memory. My old mate TO19 Jules Greenway was on his crew for quite a long period.Here is my diaryentry for 9 Jan 1966 just for your amusement. Geoff F > On 22 Apr 2021, at 17:42, Alec Bray wrote: > > Hi Geoff, > > There is a very high probability that we worked together on one show in 1966 - "Not Only But Also"! > > Your diary entry (as published on Facebook) reads ... > > > > And there is an existing Tech Ops Duty Schedule Sheet for a week three weeks later -... > > > > > > I was on Ron Green's Crew 7 at the time - we did that whole series of "Not Only But Also" on succeeding Sundays, and then on the Tuesday and Wednesday of the week we did "Softly Softly" - going live with the latter programme at 20:10 on the Wednesday. (Schools progs and whatever else on the other days, probably Saturdays ...) > > So it is almost a certainty that we worked together (or were at least n the same studio!) on Sunday 9th January 1966 .... > > I can not definitely confirm, as my diaries went west soon after I left the Beeb (at the end of May 1967) and in any case they did not contain as much detail as yours! > > It is interesting to note that NOBA was in TC4 and then in TC1 - a bit peripatetic. That's probably why I got confused some time back as to which studio NOBA was in (an excuse - at last!!) > > I remember this time for one particular reason - socialisation! I joined a club in Reading, which met on Wednesday evenings. We then got "Softly Softly" - the whole series - so that meant that that particular club was written off. I then joined Reading Ramblers, which met on Sundays - and then we got the series of "Not Only But Also", so the Sunday rambling was written off... > > > > Apologies for not having done this as a comment on Facebook - but anyway, thanks very much for publishing the account of the year in the life of a BBC TV Technical Operator! > > -- > ======= > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Quad (PAL), there is > someone posting on BB List who is restoring an RCA machine and is > looking for tapes. > > Listing here - tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Rob > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Apr 23 05:09:30 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 11:09:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records In-Reply-To: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 01 April 2021 12:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: [Tech1] Staff records I don?t know what might be in the archives re staff records but I find in my 1967 diary I noted the Sound Supervisor lists at the point where split grades were introduced. I recall not everyone agreeing with who was in which ranking but I guess that?s the norm with such changes. It was significant though and an undercurrent of discontent and resentment was certainly there for some time. Here is the list in case it might add to the records: ? ? Can?t help wondering who is still with us ? so many really great guys and so much outstanding ability. Alphabetical listing to avoid any sense of ranking order! I?m attaching the Word Doc in case email makes a nonsense of the formatting. ? Dave Newbitt. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sound Supervisors p1.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 13037 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 05:25:03 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 11:25:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records In-Reply-To: <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I was a cameras tech op but I recall all those names and faces so well. So sad that so few are left now. As a pre TO course trainee Tech Op on Crew 4 doing my 6 weeks stints on sound I remember Gordon and Len were gents that you trod carefully with, Bish I got to know quite well through bridge and music interests, Dickie I think used to bike to work?, Hugh was always a complete gent, I had many a jar with Buster later on, and all of them were ace at their jobs as even I could see and hear. I wonder what they would think of some of the mixes and sound quality on some of the programmes now? Geoff F On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 11:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. > > If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. > > I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. His > balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike McCarthy > made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. > > > > Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have you, > these classic performances would be lost for ever. > > Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is an > amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. > > > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *David Newbitt via Tech1 > *Sent: *01 April 2021 12:21 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc: *dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > *Subject: *[Tech1] Staff records > > > > I don?t know what might be in the archives re staff records but I find in > my 1967 diary I noted the Sound Supervisor lists at the point where split > grades were introduced. I recall not everyone agreeing with who was in > which ranking but I guess that?s the norm with such changes. It was > significant though and an undercurrent of discontent and resentment was > certainly there for some time. Here is the list in case it might add to the > records: > > > > > > Can?t help wondering who is still with us ? so many really great guys and > so much outstanding ability. Alphabetical listing to avoid any sense of > ranking order! I?m attaching the Word Doc in case email makes a nonsense of > the formatting. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-2612328526470290687_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I could see that Len was a bit disturbed. Then the lead trumpet said, quietly: "That's how we sound. Why can't we get that in the recording studio?" I think they were about to offer Len molto $$$$ to come and be their engineer. Gordon always practised his golf swings in the gallery, growling: ?Bloody Gramophone Operators? and one had to duck all the time! Hugh was a great bloke to work with. Buster taught me a deal about Grams ? can anyone confirm that he?s no longer with us? Bish ? I took over from him on Dr.Who in the 60?s and he paid me great compliments, later. All great blokes and happy to let us younger upstarts into the secrets of the job. That was so different when I entered the Film Industry. Mixers held on to their experience, close to their chests, as obtaining a job over their rivals, that could be a deciding factor. I have great admiration for the sound guys on the Proms, and John Wilson?s Orchestra programmes, but sad that they don?t get a personal name check. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoff Fletcher Sent: 23 April 2021 11:25 To: patheigham Cc: David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records I was a cameras tech op but I recall all those names and faces so well. So sad that so few are left now. As a pre TO course trainee Tech Op on Crew 4 doing my 6 weeks stints on sound I remember Gordon and Len were gents that you trod carefully with, Bish I got to know quite well through bridge and music interests, Dickie I think used to bike to work?, ?Hugh was always a complete gent, I had many a jar with Buster later on, and all of them were ace at their jobs as even I could see and hear. I wonder what they would think of some of the mixes and sound quality on some of the programmes now? Geoff F On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 11:10, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. ? Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. ? Pat ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 06:18:42 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 12:18:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records In-Reply-To: <6082a9d4.1c69fb81.81585.81a3@mx.google.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <6082a9d4.1c69fb81.81585.81a3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I was doing grams (under supervision but the chap who was keeping an experienced eye on me was out of the gallery at the time) with Gordon mixing in TC 2 or TC4. The wall phone rang. "Answer that laddie! If its for me take a message!" said Gordon. It was one of his golfing partners calling to say one of their mutual friends had died. I had to break the news to the master. "Oh no! Who's going to make the four up on Saturday?" was the response as he continued mixing. There is a proviso to this tale - I recall it as happening to me - but was it an apocryphal story going the rounds in early 1964 which I heard so often it became a false memory? It perfectly sums up Gordon's devotion to his golf in any case. Geoff F On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 12:04, patheigham wrote: > I have many splendid memories of working with Gordon, Len and Hugh. > > Len taught me how to set a balance on a jazz/dance band, which stood me in > good stead when I was faced with recording a corporate video at the London > Palladium, featuring the Pasadena Roof Orchestra. > > Len also handled the Herman Herd in TVT ? I discovered that TVT had the > Woody Herman band in for Jazz 625. I phoned the sound gallery and asked if > I could come and hover. > After the final rehearsal, on which Len always ran a tape, the brass > section asked if they could have a listen. (I was lurking in the gallery). > After a run of a couple of numbers, there was a deathly silence. > I could see that Len was a bit disturbed. > Then the lead trumpet said, quietly: > "*That's* how we sound. Why can't we get that in the recording studio?" > I think they were about to offer Len molto $$$$ to come and be their > engineer. > > > > Gordon always practised his golf swings in the gallery, growling: ?Bloody > Gramophone Operators? > > and one had to duck all the time! > > Hugh was a great bloke to work with. > > > > Buster taught me a deal about Grams ? can anyone confirm that he?s no > longer with us? > > Bish ? I took over from him on Dr.Who in the 60?s and he paid me great > compliments, later. > > > > All great blokes and happy to let us younger upstarts into the secrets of > the job. > > That was so different when I entered the Film Industry. Mixers held on to > their experience, > > close to their chests, as obtaining a job over their rivals, that could be > a deciding factor. > > > > I have great admiration for the sound guys on the Proms, and John Wilson?s > Orchestra programmes, > > but sad that they don?t get a personal name check. > > > > Best > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Geoff Fletcher > *Sent: *23 April 2021 11:25 > *To: *patheigham > *Cc: *David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Staff records > > > > I was a cameras tech op but I recall all those names and faces so well. So > sad that so few are left now. As a pre TO course trainee Tech Op on Crew 4 > doing my 6 weeks stints on sound I remember Gordon and Len were gents that > you trod carefully with, Bish I got to know quite well through bridge and > music interests, Dickie I think used to bike to work?, Hugh was always a > complete gent, I had many a jar with Buster later on, and all of them were > ace at their jobs as even I could see and hear. I wonder what they would > think of some of the mixes and sound quality on some of the programmes now? > > Geoff F > > > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 at 11:10, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. > > If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. > > I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 23 08:53:32 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:53:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> A few updates for your list - Norman (Kim) Bennet definitely died long ago, Dickie Chamberlain died by suicide (hanging), Alan Edmonds died in? Weybridge nursing home, after having both legs amputated. All the others, apart from Bish, have died. We lost contact with Colin Dixon when he moved up to Peterborough, I heard that his computer company was taken over by ?Texas or another big company. Regards, Dave. On 23/04/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. > > If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. > > I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. > His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike > McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. > > Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have > you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. > > Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is > an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *David Newbitt via Tech1 > *Sent: *01 April 2021 12:21 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc: *dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > *Subject: *[Tech1] Staff records > > I don?t know what might be in the archives re staff records but I find > in my 1967 diary I noted the Sound Supervisor lists at the point where > split grades were introduced. I recall not everyone agreeing with who > was in which ranking but I guess that?s the norm with such changes. It > was significant though and an undercurrent of discontent and > resentment was certainly there for some time. Here is the list in case > it might add to the records: > > Can?t help wondering who is still with us ? so many really great guys > and so much outstanding ability. Alphabetical listing to avoid any > sense of ranking order! I?m attaching the Word Doc in case email makes > a nonsense of the formatting. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Fri Apr 23 09:37:32 2021 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stuart McDonald Message-ID: <91A73BEA-BC59-4DBB-A842-3B52ACF60A27@me.com> I have taken the attached tribute to Stuart from the ?Directors UK? website. For all those that have fond memories of Stuart. Garth -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Stuart McDonald.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 446291 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Fri Apr 23 10:13:39 2021 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 16:13:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stuart McDonald In-Reply-To: <91A73BEA-BC59-4DBB-A842-3B52ACF60A27@me.com> References: <91A73BEA-BC59-4DBB-A842-3B52ACF60A27@me.com> Message-ID: Dear Garth, Thank you! Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 23/04/2021 15:37, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > I have taken the attached tribute to Stuart from the ?Directors UK? website. For all those that have fond memories of Stuart. > > Garth From Waresound at msn.com Fri Apr 23 10:13:49 2021 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:13:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Small mixer In-Reply-To: <6082b187.1c69fb81.dfbba.d1d2@mx.google.com> References: <6082b187.1c69fb81.dfbba.d1d2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If it were me, I?d go for a Behringer Xenyx 1204 USB. That has two stereo high level ins, four mic level ins (two of which could be your third stereo source), slider faders as specified, and line level out. Plus, it has IEC mains connector and internal psu, rather than an infernal wall-wart. ?126 on Amazon. That would leave you with mic inputs to announce intermissions, free bar service, etc. I?ve supplied this one, or bigger, to a number of churches for small band mixes, etc., and even at that price they?ve been 100% reliable. Or there?s the more compact 1202 if rotary knobs would suffice @ ?69. Or the 802 if 2 mic and 2 srereo line ins would be enough @ ?46. I think to Loop mixer you sent the link for looks a bit Mickey Mouse, to be honest, with faders only 20mm long. And I think those gain knobs going from line down to mic level are a bit fanciful, as even a fully professional broadcast desk can?t do that just with a pot! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 23 Apr 2021, at 12:37, patheigham wrote: ? Here?s a possibility ? what do you think? https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06XYL7W89?pf_rd_r=G65WAK9EWTF6Q1P3NEJM&pf_rd_p=6e878984-68d5-4fd2-b7b3-7bc79d9c8b60&pd_rd_r=dfe355f7-31de-4796-93f6-81a9bd98f4d8&pd_rd_w=gBJQI&pd_rd_wg=84phy&ref_=pd_gw_unk It may be possible for me to run film shows again for my Newdigate friends ? I took over their extended kitchen/dining room, and they have been very popular. Normally I used the SQN, as a local level control from two BluRay players, into a hi-fi set-up conveniently in the right place. However I?m hunting for a mini-mixer to accept two or three stereo channels at line level, with slider faders outputting at line level. There are some about, but it?s unclear whether each channel is stereo on a single fader, or if one has to have two channels each for L & R. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 23 12:07:51 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 18:07:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Small mixer In-Reply-To: References: <6082b187.1c69fb81.dfbba.d1d2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <158e68f5-b185-08e2-6944-7f0747434cdd@gmail.com> I have a 1202. It's very good, apart from a couple of small things. The power socket is rubbish - a DIN plug which falls out at the slightest thing. And there are a couple of? little buttons labelled "USB 2-track", which I only get right by trial and error. I'm sure it's easy for you sound chaps.? All round though, it does what I need for not much money. B On 23/04/2021 16:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > If it were me, I?d go for a Behringer Xenyx 1204 USB. That has two > stereo high level ins, four mic level ins (two of which could be your > third stereo source), slider faders as specified, and line level out. > Plus, it has IEC mains connector and internal psu, rather than an > infernal wall-wart. ?126 on Amazon. > That would leave you with mic inputs to announce intermissions, free > bar service, etc. > I?ve supplied this one, or bigger, to a number of churches for small > band mixes, etc., and even at that price they?ve been 100% reliable. > > Or there?s the more compact 1202 if rotary knobs would suffice @ ?69. > Or the 802 if 2 mic and 2 srereo line ins would be enough @ ?46. > > I think to Loop mixer you sent the link for looks a bit Mickey Mouse, > to be honest, with faders only 20mm long. And I think those gain knobs > going from line down to mic level are a bit fanciful, as even a fully > professional broadcast desk can?t do that just with a pot! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 23 Apr 2021, at 12:37, patheigham wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Here?s a possibility ? what do you think? >> >> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06XYL7W89?pf_rd_r=G65WAK9EWTF6Q1P3NEJM&pf_rd_p=6e878984-68d5-4fd2-b7b3-7bc79d9c8b60&pd_rd_r=dfe355f7-31de-4796-93f6-81a9bd98f4d8&pd_rd_w=gBJQI&pd_rd_wg=84phy&ref_=pd_gw_unk >> >> >> It may be possible for me to run film shows again for my Newdigate >> friends ? I took over their extended kitchen/dining room, and they >> have been very popular. >> >> Normally I used the SQN, as a local level control from two BluRay >> players, into a hi-fi set-up conveniently in the right place. However >> I?m hunting for a mini-mixer to accept two or three stereo channels >> at line level, with slider faders outputting at line level. >> >> There are some about, but it?s unclear whether each channel is stereo >> on a single fader, or if one has to have two channels each for L & R. >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Avast logo >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phider at gmx.com Fri Apr 23 13:05:26 2021 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:05:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1N5VD8-1lXVHw0EiQ-016tPH@mail.gmx.net> ?Just to let everyone know that Chas Davison has now died and there will be a Zoomed funeral at a date yet to be confirmed. There will also be a eulogy and an obituary in Prospero.??Peter HiderSent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" Date: 23/04/2021 14:55 (GMT+00:00) To: patheigham , tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates A few updates for your list - Norman (Kim) Bennet definitely died long ago, Dickie Chamberlain died by suicide (hanging), Alan Edmonds died in? Weybridge nursing home, after having both legs amputated. All the others, apart from Bish, have died. We lost contact with Colin Dixon when he moved up to Peterborough, I heard that his computer company was taken over by ?Texas or another big company. Regards, Dave. On 23/04/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: @font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}.MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only;}div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;} Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. ? Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 01 April 2021 12:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: [Tech1] Staff records ? I don?t know what might be in the archives re staff records but I find in my 1967 diary I noted the Sound Supervisor lists at the point where split grades were introduced. I recall not everyone agreeing with who was in which ranking but I guess that?s the norm with such changes. It was significant though and an undercurrent of discontent and resentment was certainly there for some time. Here is the list in case it might add to the records: ? ? Can?t help wondering who is still with us ? so many really great guys and so much outstanding ability. Alphabetical listing to avoid any sense of ranking order! I?m attaching the Word Doc in case email makes a nonsense of the formatting. ? Dave Newbitt. ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Apr 23 13:19:30 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 19:19:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <1N5VD8-1lXVHw0EiQ-016tPH@mail.gmx.net> References: <1N5VD8-1lXVHw0EiQ-016tPH@mail.gmx.net> Message-ID: <4dc3b51b-9da3-54a6-e030-f0f3178ed1f9@btinternet.com> How sad, Pete, thanks for the info., Chas and I had a mutual interest in repairing TVs etc. and he was a great help to me and many others. Regards, Dave On 23/04/2021 19:05, phider wrote: > ? > > Just to let everyone know that Chas Davison has now died and there > will be a Zoomed funeral at a date yet to be confirmed. There will > also be a eulogy and an obituary in Prospero. > > Peter Hider > > Sent from my Galaxy > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" > Date: 23/04/2021 14:55 (GMT+00:00) > To: patheigham , tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates > > A few updates for your list - Norman (Kim) Bennet definitely died long > ago, Dickie Chamberlain died by suicide (hanging), Alan Edmonds died > in? Weybridge nursing home, after having both legs amputated. All the > others, apart from Bish, have died. We lost contact with Colin Dixon > when he moved up to Peterborough, I heard that his computer company > was taken over by ?Texas or another big company. Regards, Dave. > > On 23/04/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. >> >> If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. >> >> I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with >> him. His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb >> and Mike McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. >> >> Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have >> you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. >> >> Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is >> an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *David Newbitt via Tech1 >> *Sent: *01 April 2021 12:21 >> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Cc: *dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net >> *Subject: *[Tech1] Staff records >> >> I don?t know what might be in the archives re staff records but I >> find in my 1967 diary I noted the Sound Supervisor lists at the point >> where split grades were introduced. I recall not everyone agreeing >> with who was in which ranking but I guess that?s the norm with such >> changes. 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Apr 23 16:07:02 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 22:07:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Stuart McDonald In-Reply-To: <91A73BEA-BC59-4DBB-A842-3B52ACF60A27@me.com> References: <91A73BEA-BC59-4DBB-A842-3B52ACF60A27@me.com> Message-ID: <9BE0A817-27BA-4D98-9B5E-DAAE866B3ACA@mac.com> Having seen the photo in the article which Garth sent, I should correct the mistake I made in thinking that I had worked with Stuart McDonald in Pres as I was clearly remembering somebody else. Apologies if I caused any confusion. Mike G > On 23 Apr 2021, at 15:37, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 24 04:03:28 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:03:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> I?m appalled to learn of Dickie Chamberlain. He always seemed a highly cheerful fellow, and great at his job. Did he suffer a horrendous medical condition that led him to take his own life? And what was the need for Edmonds? amputations? Forget scripted drama ? truth is stranger than fiction! I now wish that I had kept more in touch with people whom I respected and enjoyed good times with. I have a ?? tape of a musical number (possibly the Mike Sammes singers) that Colin Dixon balanced for an insert to a show, which is absolutely superb. Hugh, suffering dementia, does not want to remember his career, according to wife Rita, and never referred to it at home. Shame, as he would be entitled to be very proud of his achievements. In sadness Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 23 April 2021 14:54 To: patheigham; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates A few updates for your list - Norman (Kim) Bennet definitely died long ago, Dickie Chamberlain died by suicide (hanging), Alan Edmonds died in? Weybridge nursing home, after having both legs amputated. All the others, apart from Bish, have died. We lost contact with Colin Dixon when he moved up to Peterborough, I heard that his computer company was taken over by ?Texas or another big company. Regards, Dave. On 23/04/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. ? Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. ? Pat ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Sat Apr 24 04:12:25 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:12:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Apr 24 04:42:35 2021 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 10:42:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Tinnitus was Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <6083e80d.1c69fb81.9a3fe.0b66@mx.google.com> Yea, Tinnitus. I used to engage in full-bore target rifle shooting at Bisley. I was actually quite good*, but one day I caught a shot badly which started a singing in the ears. I wasn?t worried as it usually passed off by bedtime. Not this time! It manifests as a constant background hiss, like a noisy tape or pink noise. Being sent to a consultant in London and mentioning the cause, he then tested the intermediate frequencies, normally missed out. Discovered that I had a 20db dip at 6kcs, and he could tell which shoulder I shot off, as one ear is closer to the breech than the other. ? Got offered a job by the Toronto Armed Response Unit! Having impressed them with the Heckler & Koch MP5 on their practice range. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Way Sent: 24 April 2021 10:12 To: patheigham; patheigham via Tech1; dave.mdv Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates Hi All, I was aware of a rumour that Dickie had taken his own life, but didn't know how. I believe he was not in a good way after his wife passed away and he suffered horrendous tinnitus from all his years of monitoring far too high. Tinnitus is an awful and distracting affliction. Really sorry we lost him that way. We sort of lived near each other and shared a few car journeys together. I guess I first met him on a kids show that we dare not talk about nowadays. Hugh - as I've shared before, taught me to Supervise years after TVC stopped training us in the art. I have nothing but admiration and respect for Hugh. Dementia is a terrible thing too. Keep safe everyone. Best wishes, Nick WAY On 24/04/2021 10:03 patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I?m appalled to learn of Dickie Chamberlain. He always seemed a highly cheerful fellow, and great at his job. Did he suffer a horrendous medical condition that led him to take his own life? And what was the need for Edmonds? amputations? Forget scripted drama ? truth is stranger than fiction! I now wish that I had kept more in touch with people whom I respected and enjoyed good times with. I have a ?? tape of a musical number (possibly the Mike Sammes singers) that Colin Dixon balanced for an insert to a show, which is absolutely superb. Hugh, suffering dementia, does not want to remember his career, according to wife Rita, and never referred to it at home. Shame, as he would be entitled to be very proud of his achievements. In sadness Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Heckler_&_Koch_MP5-1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 482297 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Apr 24 05:48:19 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 11:48:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com><08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com><6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Further to comments from Pat & Nick, I too was completely taken aback reading about the manner of Dickie Chamberlain?s demise. In other contexts I have referred to borrowing his pipe bender, listening to his anecdotes about exchanges with the constabulary regarding his driving style and enjoying the occasional meal together. Was his wife?s name Anne ? my recollections are often unreliable. As to what lay behind his sad end I?m sure many would recall that, behind the professional flair and competence, he was pretty uptight sometimes. Remember how he used to begin his sessions at the desk for Crackerjack? He would parody the show?s opening lines with ?It?s Friday, it?s 5 o?clock and it?s an OVERMOD !!!? Also, he simply couldn?t stand the endless traffic problems inevitable with 9.30 am starts. So with TOTP he would be at TC by 6.30 am and I got into the habit of doing the same thing and we would breakfast together in the canteen before tackling the rig good and early. Pat mentioned regret at losing touch with people one had high regard for. I bet we might most of us say the same. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Way via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 10:12 AM To: patheigham ; patheigham via Tech1 ; dave.mdv Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates Hi All, I was aware of a rumour that Dickie had taken his own life, but didn't know how. I believe he was not in a good way after his wife passed away and he suffered horrendous tinnitus from all his years of monitoring far too high. Tinnitus is an awful and distracting affliction. Really sorry we lost him that way. We sort of lived near each other and shared a few car journeys together. I guess I first met him on a kids show that we dare not talk about nowadays. Hugh - as I've shared before, taught me to Supervise years after TVC stopped training us in the art. I have nothing but admiration and respect for Hugh. Dementia is a terrible thing too. Keep safe everyone. Best wishes, Nick WAY On 24/04/2021 10:03 patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I?m appalled to learn of Dickie Chamberlain. He always seemed a highly cheerful fellow, and great at his job. Did he suffer a horrendous medical condition that led him to take his own life? And what was the need for Edmonds? amputations? Forget scripted drama ? truth is stranger than fiction! I now wish that I had kept more in touch with people whom I respected and enjoyed good times with. I have a ?? tape of a musical number (possibly the Mike Sammes singers) that Colin Dixon balanced for an insert to a show, which is absolutely superb. Hugh, suffering dementia, does not want to remember his career, according to wife Rita, and never referred to it at home. Shame, as he would be entitled to be very proud of his achievements. In sadness Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 23 April 2021 14:54 To: patheigham; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates A few updates for your list - Norman (Kim) Bennet definitely died long ago, Dickie Chamberlain died by suicide (hanging), Alan Edmonds died in Weybridge nursing home, after having both legs amputated. All the others, apart from Bish, have died. We lost contact with Colin Dixon when he moved up to Peterborough, I heard that his computer company was taken over by ?Texas or another big company. Regards, Dave. On 23/04/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. Pat ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Apr 24 06:10:24 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:10:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com><08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com><6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <59222817dfdavesound@btinternet.com> I too remember Dickie with much affection. And still pirate one of his sayings. I asked him how he seemed to have less problems with radio mics than others. He said "I give them a good talking to at the start of the day. " Also remember his love of Morris Minors. His supercharged one being quite a car that I had the honour of driving once. In article <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Further to comments from Pat & Nick, I too was completely taken aback > reading about the manner of Dickie Chamberlain?s demise. In other > contexts I have referred to borrowing his pipe bender, listening to his > anecdotes about exchanges with the constabulary regarding his driving > style and enjoying the occasional meal together. Was his wife?s name > Anne ? my recollections are often unreliable. > As to what lay behind his sad end I?m sure many would recall that, > behind the professional flair and competence, he was pretty uptight > sometimes. Remember how he used to begin his sessions at the desk for > Crackerjack? He would parody the show?s opening lines with ?It?s Friday, > it?s 5 o?clock and it?s an OVERMOD !!!? > Also, he simply couldn?t stand the endless traffic problems inevitable > with 9.30 am starts. So with TOTP he would be at TC by 6.30 am and I got > into the habit of doing the same thing and we would breakfast together > in the canteen before tackling the rig good and early. > Pat mentioned regret at losing touch with people one had high regard > for. I bet we might most of us say the same. > Dave Newbitt. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 06:15:53 2021 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 12:15:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <732E429C-F777-4424-B1BD-DCAEC5E93F21@gmail.com> Dickie?s son Dave is also a Sound Mixer of repute. I had the pleasure of working with him on many Sky Footy OBs when I was a Sky Sports Unit Manager with NEP-Visions. Geoff F > On 24 Apr 2021, at 10:03, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I?m appalled to learn of Dickie Chamberlain. He always seemed a highly cheerful fellow, and great at his job. Did he suffer a horrendous medical condition that led him to take his own life? > And what was the need for Edmonds? amputations? > Forget scripted drama ? truth is stranger than fiction! > I now wish that I had kept more in touch with people whom I respected and enjoyed good times with. > I have a ?? tape of a musical number (possibly the Mike Sammes singers) that Colin Dixon balanced for an insert to a show, which is absolutely superb. > Hugh, suffering dementia, does not want to remember his career, according to wife Rita, and never referred to it at home. > Shame, as he would be entitled to be very proud of his achievements. > > In sadness > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv > Sent: 23 April 2021 14:54 > To: patheigham ; tech1 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates > > A few updates for your list - Norman (Kim) Bennet definitely died long ago, Dickie Chamberlain died by suicide (hanging), Alan Edmonds died in Weybridge nursing home, after having both legs amputated. All the others, apart from Bish, have died. We lost contact with Colin Dixon when he moved up to Peterborough, I heard that his computer company was taken over by ?Texas or another big company. Regards, Dave. > > On 23/04/2021 11:09, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Here?s page one with what I know or surmise. > If anyone has more accurate info, then please adjust. > I?m particularly upset about Hugh Barker, as I loved working with him. His balance of the Duke Ellington Orchestra in TC4 was superb and Mike McCarthy made me a CD from the ?? tape that I made at the time. > > Let?s face it ? if it wasn?t for some of us saving tapes or what have you, these classic performances would be lost for ever. > Now that there is a scramble to find such records, I believe there is an amnesty if hidden examples now come to surface. > > Pat > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Apr 24 07:37:38 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:37:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <59222817dfdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com><08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com><6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com><1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk><01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <59222817dfdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6442E6FE6C2A47EBB8F61DDF180A6B3B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Indeed Dave - on the topic of said Morris Minor. He was once stopped in Roehampton heading into work via Hammersmith Bridge so the highway patrol boys could have a word or two about his enthusiastic driving. "You don't look like policemen". "We catch a lot of people that way, Sir". I don't think they booked him. Neither would I have done - anyone who'd just spent an eternity getting up Roehampton Vale deserved total sympathy and understanding. No idea what it's like these days but I used to head from Ashtead to Chessington and join the A3 at Hook. Thence Tolworth, Kingston bypass etc and all the joys many of you would have been familiar with. It really was torture at its worst. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:10 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates I too remember Dickie with much affection. And still pirate one of his sayings. I asked him how he seemed to have less problems with radio mics than others. He said "I give them a good talking to at the start of the day. " Also remember his love of Morris Minors. His supercharged one being quite a car that I had the honour of driving once. In article <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Further to comments from Pat & Nick, I too was completely taken aback > reading about the manner of Dickie Chamberlain?s demise. In other > contexts I have referred to borrowing his pipe bender, listening to his > anecdotes about exchanges with the constabulary regarding his driving > style and enjoying the occasional meal together. Was his wife?s name > Anne ? my recollections are often unreliable. > As to what lay behind his sad end I?m sure many would recall that, > behind the professional flair and competence, he was pretty uptight > sometimes. Remember how he used to begin his sessions at the desk for > Crackerjack? He would parody the show?s opening lines with ?It?s Friday, > it?s 5 o?clock and it?s an OVERMOD !!!? > Also, he simply couldn?t stand the endless traffic problems inevitable > with 9.30 am starts. So with TOTP he would be at TC by 6.30 am and I got > into the habit of doing the same thing and we would breakfast together > in the canteen before tackling the rig good and early. > Pat mentioned regret at losing touch with people one had high regard > for. I bet we might most of us say the same. > Dave Newbitt. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Apr 24 07:55:00 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 13:55:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Small mixer In-Reply-To: <158e68f5-b185-08e2-6944-7f0747434cdd@gmail.com> References: <6082b187.1c69fb81.dfbba.d1d2@mx.google.com> <158e68f5-b185-08e2-6944-7f0747434cdd@gmail.com> Message-ID: <592231ac36davesound@btinternet.com> I wanted a small inexpensive mixer for Zoom. Small enough to leave on top of the computer when not needed. Two channel would have been enough, but since using personal mics wanted better EQ than just bass and treble. Faders not a problem, as it would be basically pre-set. Got a Yamaha MG102. Far more channels than I need but OK size wise at about 1 ft square. Has 3 band EQ, a selectable and gentle compressor, and phantom power. DC in is also a 3 pin DIN. but the locking version. USB only would have been convenient, but couldn't find one with any EQ at all, let alone 3 band. Or at least at an affordable price. In article <158e68f5-b185-08e2-6944-7f0747434cdd at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I have a 1202. It's very good, apart from a couple of small things. The > power socket is rubbish - a DIN plug which falls out at the slightest > thing. And there are a couple of little buttons labelled "USB 2-track", > which I only get right by trial and error. I'm sure it's easy for you > sound chaps. All round though, it does what I need for not much money. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sat Apr 24 08:36:16 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 14:36:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Small mixer In-Reply-To: <592231ac36davesound@btinternet.com> References: <592231ac36davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7A2BF86E-CE25-4D33-B3B9-AE6A3DDA1BB5@me.com> Small mixers with USB outputs tend not to have much in the way of decent EQ or dynamics. I assume that they were designed to be used with digital audio software which offers much more comprehensive options as part of the software, but using it to feed microphones into Zoom calls wasn?t really planned for. If you?re using a Mac and simply want the equivalent of a cabled microphone, plugging an iPhone into a USB port ( using the normal charging cable ) allows you to use it as an external microphone. You either use Audio/MIDI Setup or the Sound control panel to select it as the audio input once you have plugged it in. I think there are similar wheezes for PCs and Android phones too. It?s not exactly a Neumann, but it?s pretty decent and has the advantage of being free. Alan Taylor > On 24 Apr 2021, at 13:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I wanted a small inexpensive mixer for Zoom. Small enough to leave on top > of the computer when not needed. Two channel would have been enough, but > since using personal mics wanted better EQ than just bass and treble. > Faders not a problem, as it would be basically pre-set. > > Got a Yamaha MG102. Far more channels than I need but OK size wise at > about 1 ft square. Has 3 band EQ, a selectable and gentle compressor, and > phantom power. DC in is also a 3 pin DIN. but the locking version. > > USB only would have been convenient, but couldn't find one with any EQ at > all, let alone 3 band. Or at least at an affordable price. > > > > In article <158e68f5-b185-08e2-6944-7f0747434cdd at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I have a 1202. It's very good, apart from a couple of small things. The >> power socket is rubbish - a DIN plug which falls out at the slightest >> thing. And there are a couple of little buttons labelled "USB 2-track", >> which I only get right by trial and error. I'm sure it's easy for you >> sound chaps. All round though, it does what I need for not much money. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Sat Apr 24 13:31:11 2021 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (Sara Newman) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 18:31:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Stuart McDonald In-Reply-To: <9BE0A817-27BA-4D98-9B5E-DAAE866B3ACA@mac.com> References: <91A73BEA-BC59-4DBB-A842-3B52ACF60A27@me.com>, <9BE0A817-27BA-4D98-9B5E-DAAE866B3ACA@mac.com> Message-ID: Thank you for sharing this I remember Stuart well He was a lovely person and was one of the only people in the control room who made an effort to speak to me I can still picture him smiling at me sitting snug in one of the gallery chairs and after that first time when ever I saw him in a TVC corridor I would stop to chit chat. Lovely chap Sx Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Apr 2021, at 22:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Having seen the photo in the article which Garth sent, I should correct the mistake I made in thinking that I had worked with Stuart McDonald in Pres as I was clearly remembering somebody else. Apologies if I caused any confusion. > > Mike G > >> On 23 Apr 2021, at 15:37, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: >> >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftech-ops.co.uk%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Ftech1_tech-ops.co.uk&data=04%7C01%7C%7C6d418cfb5db74eb07d1c08d9069bd1e6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637548088575434403%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=uO8lsAqLFETD4p8b8ji2UYivfjNjPqNE9pSMK5L8PWA%3D&reserved=0 From mibridge at mac.com Sat Apr 24 14:39:00 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 20:39:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <6442E6FE6C2A47EBB8F61DDF180A6B3B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <59222817dfdavesound@btinternet.com> <6442E6FE6C2A47EBB8F61DDF180A6B3B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <29BF9301-DE70-420B-9BF7-44C2BBAAE121@mac.com> I believe that Dickie Chamberlain?s tinnitus was brought to a climax by one of his DIY projects, possibly after he retired, but I gather that he nailed down rather a lot of floorboards without wearing ear defenders and that was the last straw, as it were. Mike G > On 24 Apr 2021, at 13:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Indeed Dave - on the topic of said Morris Minor. He was once stopped in Roehampton heading into work via Hammersmith Bridge so the highway patrol boys could have a word or two about his enthusiastic driving. > > "You don't look like policemen". > "We catch a lot of people that way, Sir". > > I don't think they booked him. Neither would I have done - anyone who'd just spent an eternity getting up Roehampton Vale deserved total sympathy and understanding. No idea what it's like these days but I used to head from Ashtead to Chessington and join the A3 at Hook. Thence Tolworth, Kingston bypass etc and all the joys many of you would have been familiar with. It really was torture at its worst. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:10 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates > > I too remember Dickie with much affection. And still pirate one of his > sayings. > > I asked him how he seemed to have less problems with radio mics than > others. > > He said "I give them a good talking to at the start of the day. " > > Also remember his love of Morris Minors. His supercharged one being quite > a car that I had the honour of driving once. > > > In article <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, > David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Further to comments from Pat & Nick, I too was completely taken aback >> reading about the manner of Dickie Chamberlain?s demise. In other >> contexts I have referred to borrowing his pipe bender, listening to his >> anecdotes about exchanges with the constabulary regarding his driving >> style and enjoying the occasional meal together. Was his wife?s name >> Anne ? my recollections are often unreliable. > >> As to what lay behind his sad end I?m sure many would recall that, >> behind the professional flair and competence, he was pretty uptight >> sometimes. Remember how he used to begin his sessions at the desk for >> Crackerjack? He would parody the show?s opening lines with ?It?s Friday, >> it?s 5 o?clock and it?s an OVERMOD !!!? > >> Also, he simply couldn?t stand the endless traffic problems inevitable >> with 9.30 am starts. So with TOTP he would be at TC by 6.30 am and I got >> into the habit of doing the same thing and we would breakfast together >> in the canteen before tackling the rig good and early. > >> Pat mentioned regret at losing touch with people one had high regard >> for. I bet we might most of us say the same. > >> Dave Newbitt. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Apr 24 15:18:10 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2021 21:18:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dickie Chamberlain stories Message-ID: <24ae5a33-feef-45bf-9ecc-3bab316a9f6d@btinternet.com> Here are a few more - 1 - He was very proud of his supercharged Morris Minor and claimed it would go up Reigate Hill in top gear, needless to say, things wore out very quickly! 2 - At one time he also had a Bond 875 three-wheeler, which had a Hillman Imp engine as normal. He was pulled over for speeding on the A316 Chertsey Road near Twickenham. He wound the window down and said to the policeman - 'Guilty, officer, without a doubt!' The policeman said to him - 'If I were you sir,I wouldn't do that speed in this plastic rocket!' and let him go! 3 - Another of his vehicles was a VW Beetle. He went over a hump-back bridge so fast that it landed on it's nose and became a short wheelbase VW! 4 - Doing TOTP so often he got the hots for Babs, one of Pan's People. One week he decided that he would invite her out for dinner but unfortunately he didn't have much money so we had? crew whip-round for him! She turned him down and later went on to marry Robert Powell in 1975. Happy memories. Regards, Dave From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com Sun Apr 25 04:55:57 2021 From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 10:55:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Dickie Chamberlain stories In-Reply-To: <24ae5a33-feef-45bf-9ecc-3bab316a9f6d@btinternet.com> References: <24ae5a33-feef-45bf-9ecc-3bab316a9f6d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Sad to hear about Dickie but good to hear some of his old stories. I?m sure many of us have amusing ?being stopped by the police? stories but my favourite was when I was sharing a lift with Peter Milic in my early days at TVi having quite recently left the BBC. For those that don?t know Pete, he was a Czech by birth and had escaped over to the UK in 1969 when the Russians moved in. Anyway, his slight lack of the complete English language at that time combined with his reluctance to listen to advice meant that when we were stopped in his BMW 2002 on the M1 by the police, knowing we were already running late, I advised him from the passenger seat to just wind the window down, be polite and apologise for the speed. The conversation went like this: Officer: Do you have any idea of the speed you were doing sir? Peter: Yes, 92 mph Officer: Are you aware of the speed limit on the motorway sir? Peter: Yes, 70 mph Officer: Would you like to explain to me why you were doing 92mph then sir? Peter: Because it?s as fast as this fucking car will go. At this point the officer couldn?t control himself and once he stopped laughing just let us go on our way with the advisory of ?maybe just keep it to the fucking 70mph then?!!! Happy days Graham Maunder Awfully Nice Video . 30 Long Lane . Ickenham . London . UB10 8TA Tel: 07000 345678 Mobile: 07831 515678 Visit Us: www.anvc.tv > On 24 Apr 2021, at 21:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Here are a few more - > > 1 - He was very proud of his supercharged Morris Minor and claimed it would go up Reigate Hill in top gear, needless to say, things wore out very quickly! > > 2 - At one time he also had a Bond 875 three-wheeler, which had a Hillman Imp engine as normal. He was pulled over for speeding on the A316 Chertsey Road near Twickenham. He wound the window down and said to the policeman - 'Guilty, officer, without a doubt!' The policeman said to him - 'If I were you sir,I wouldn't do that speed in this plastic rocket!' and let him go! > > 3 - Another of his vehicles was a VW Beetle. He went over a hump-back bridge so fast that it landed on it's nose and became a short wheelbase VW! > > 4 - Doing TOTP so often he got the hots for Babs, one of Pan's People. One week he decided that he would invite her out for dinner but unfortunately he didn't have much money so we had crew whip-round for him! She turned him down and later went on to marry Robert Powell in 1975. > > Happy memories. Regards, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I did look for software EQ that would work in real time with a USB mike, which as you say is very convenient for use on Zoom etc meetings. Without success. > If you?re using a Mac and simply want the equivalent of a cabled > microphone, plugging an iPhone into a USB port ( using the normal > charging cable ) allows you to use it as an external microphone. You > either use Audio/MIDI Setup or the Sound control panel to select it as > the audio input once you have plugged it in. I think there are similar > wheezes for PCs and Android phones too. It?s not exactly a Neumann, but > it?s pretty decent and has the advantage of being free. Not sure using a phone mic with a laptop would be any better than its built in mic? My real problem is a Zoom family quiz we do once a week. Two people my end. What I ended up with is feeding the TV from a computer via an HDMI lead, which gives video and audio with little latency. TV sound goes to the proper sound system. Camera with a thread adaptor fitted to a mic lazy arm stand. Two personal mics via the said mixer. Cordless keyboard to allow easy muting etc of the mics, etc. Bit of a faff, but gave me something to think about and do during lock down. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sun Apr 25 06:07:20 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 12:07:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Small mixer Message-ID: <14DCD63D-0D62-4FAF-9FF3-FC88B933EC1C@me.com> We sometimes use an iPhone as a wired hand mic when doing group video calls to family overseas. If it?s in our house, we use my sound kit, but in other family homes we set up a laptop on a table to show a wide angle of the whole group, with a USB extension cable on the iPhone to give a total lead length of about 4 metres. The iPhone is handed around during the call so that the person speaking is heard really clearly, which makes a big difference when the talker speaks English, but the one at the other end normally speaks German. The other advantage is that people naturally understand that the mic needs to be near them in order to be heard, so you are less likely to get people excitedly speaking over each other, which again improves intelligibility. Probably not so necessary for Zoom quizzes with just a couple, but it?s a technique which somebody might occasionally find useful and it can be done on the spur of the moment with bits found in people?s houses. There is a studio quality sound processing kit built into Mac and iPhone operating systems, but I?m not aware of any simple way of tapping into it to use for things like the outgoing audio for Zoom calls. Monitoring what you are doing might be tricky. Alan Taylor > On 25 Apr 2021, at 11:31, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Not sure using a phone mic with a laptop would be any better than its > built in mic? From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Apr 25 07:18:29 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 13:18:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Small mixer In-Reply-To: <14DCD63D-0D62-4FAF-9FF3-FC88B933EC1C@me.com> References: <14DCD63D-0D62-4FAF-9FF3-FC88B933EC1C@me.com> Message-ID: <5922b22a23davesound@btinternet.com> In article <14DCD63D-0D62-4FAF-9FF3-FC88B933EC1C at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > We sometimes use an iPhone as a wired hand mic when doing group video > calls to family overseas. If it?s in our house, we use my sound kit, > but in other family homes we set up a laptop on a table to show a wide > angle of the whole group, with a USB extension cable on the iPhone to > give a total lead length of about 4 metres. Ah - right. Didn't notice it was for use in 'the field' Sounds like a good idea. > The iPhone is handed around during the call so that the person speaking > is heard really clearly, which makes a big difference when the talker > speaks English, but the one at the other end normally speaks German. > The other advantage is that people naturally understand that the mic > needs to be near them in order to be heard, so you are less likely to > get people excitedly speaking over each other, which again improves > intelligibility. Yup. You'd think people would self educate by observing what they hear from the other end on Zoom meetings. And know you get the best results with the mic reasonably close. If nothing else, it helps with poor room acoustics. > Probably not so necessary for Zoom quizzes with just a couple, but it?s > a technique which somebody might occasionally find useful and it can be > done on the spur of the moment with bits found in people?s houses. > There is a studio quality sound processing kit built into Mac and iPhone > operating systems, but I?m not aware of any simple way of tapping into > it to use for things like the outgoing audio for Zoom calls. Monitoring > what you are doing might be tricky. I've never quite understood just why the Zoom audio quality seems to vary so much week to week even from those using the same equipment each week. The picture quality seems much more consistent. But for actual audio quality, a decent headset with boom mic seems to win. With some bluetooth ear bud type mics seeming to be the very worst. And not really understood why the levels seem to vary so much. With the Zoom auto level setting. > > On 25 Apr 2021, at 11:31, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Not sure using a phone mic with a laptop would be any better than its > > built in mic? > -- > Tech -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From nick at nickway.co.uk Sun Apr 25 10:15:45 2021 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2021 16:15:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Dickie Chamberlain stories In-Reply-To: References: <24ae5a33-feef-45bf-9ecc-3bab316a9f6d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <605955470.124163.1619363745219@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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When Dickie realised what we were doing he stayed behind and did the balance for us! Lovely bloke. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Apr 2021, at 21:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Here are a few more - > > 1 - He was very proud of his supercharged Morris Minor and claimed it would go up Reigate Hill in top gear, needless to say, things wore out very quickly! > > 2 - At one time he also had a Bond 875 three-wheeler, which had a Hillman Imp engine as normal. He was pulled over for speeding on the A316 Chertsey Road near Twickenham. He wound the window down and said to the policeman - 'Guilty, officer, without a doubt!' The policeman said to him - 'If I were you sir,I wouldn't do that speed in this plastic rocket!' and let him go! > > 3 - Another of his vehicles was a VW Beetle. He went over a hump-back bridge so fast that it landed on it's nose and became a short wheelbase VW! > > 4 - Doing TOTP so often he got the hots for Babs, one of Pan's People. One week he decided that he would invite her out for dinner but unfortunately he didn't have much money so we had crew whip-round for him! She turned him down and later went on to marry Robert Powell in 1975. > > Happy memories. Regards, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 26 09:15:35 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 15:15:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Flubot for Android In-Reply-To: <9efdd77f-9a86-4bba-8e5e-86ecf6597ffb@edison> References: <9efdd77f-9a86-4bba-8e5e-86ecf6597ffb@edison> Message-ID: <495d1bda-a01b-7b07-c114-da60736be7d0@btinternet.com> Yet another scam! Cheers,Dave - > > Flubot for Android > > > > > If you are expecting a delivery from Currys or via DHL take extra care > as you will be easily tempted to click on the tracking link. DO NOT! > > > > > > > > > > This email was sent to a.muir at rocketmail.com > > /why did I get this?/ > > unsubscribe from this list > > update subscription preferences > > > Poldens Neighbourhood e-Watch ? 27 Woolavington Hill ? Woolavington ? > Bridgwater, Somerset TA7 8HG ? United Kingdom > > Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 26 10:57:37 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 16:57:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scam - missing text! Message-ID: <06fc0e91-118a-d39e-8665-6d523a263779@btinternet.com> *A text-message scam that infects Android phones is spreading across the UK, experts have warned.* The message - which pretends to be from a package delivery firm, prompts users to install a tracking app - but is actually a malicious piece of spyware. Called Flubot, it can take over devices and spy on phones to gather sensitive data, including online banking details. If you haven?t read the details in your daily paper, you can do so here - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56859091.amp. Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Mon Apr 26 11:05:12 2021 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:05:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Flubot for Android In-Reply-To: <495d1bda-a01b-7b07-c114-da60736be7d0@btinternet.com> References: <495d1bda-a01b-7b07-c114-da60736be7d0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I?ve had several messages recently claiming to be from DHL about a parcel that?s out for delivery and telling me to click on the link to track it, which happily I didn?t. I know someone who says she was hacked by opening a link about parcels, but what exactly happens if you do click on the link. Surely there?s more to it than that and you have to go a step further and supply them with some more information? Geoff > On 26 Apr 2021, at 15:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > Yet another scam! Cheers,Dave > > - >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If you are expecting a delivery from Currys or via DHL take extra care as you will be easily tempted to click on the tracking link. DO NOT! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email was sent to a.muir at rocketmail.com >> why did I get this? unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences >> Poldens Neighbourhood e-Watch ? 27 Woolavington Hill ? Woolavington ? Bridgwater, Somerset TA7 8HG ? United Kingdom >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Apr 26 11:44:46 2021 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 17:44:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Flubot for Android In-Reply-To: References: <495d1bda-a01b-7b07-c114-da60736be7d0@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <40699163-2301-40AA-84B1-86CB72EF2291@icloud.com> Careful, there is a warning about such messages carrying a virus payload, just clicking on the link launches the virus onto your computer. ? Graeme Wall > On 26 Apr 2021, at 17:05, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > I?ve had several messages recently claiming to be from DHL about a parcel that?s out for delivery and telling me to click on the link to track it, which happily I didn?t. I know someone who says she was hacked by opening a link about parcels, but what exactly happens if you do click on the link. Surely there?s more to it than that and you have to go a step further and supply them with some more information? > > Geoff > >> On 26 Apr 2021, at 15:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> Yet another scam! Cheers,Dave >> >> - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> If you are expecting a delivery from Currys or via DHL take extra care as you will be easily tempted to click on the tracking link. DO NOT! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email was sent to a.muir at rocketmail.com >>> why did I get this? unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences >>> Poldens Neighbourhood e-Watch ? 27 Woolavington Hill ? Woolavington ? Bridgwater, Somerset TA7 8HG ? United Kingdom >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 26 12:57:39 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 18:57:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scams Message-ID: <8300670f-4678-66d1-0c12-c04c9a582018@btinternet.com> I think the general advice is to be totally sceptical about any incoming message and delete them! Mainstream institutions always state that they will not message you this way. Common sense rules, KO! If you watch morning TV on BBC 1 you will find that there are lots of scams doing the rounds! Don't get caught! Cheers, Dave From alanaudio at me.com Mon Apr 26 15:10:47 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 21:10:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scams In-Reply-To: <8300670f-4678-66d1-0c12-c04c9a582018@btinternet.com> References: <8300670f-4678-66d1-0c12-c04c9a582018@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <54D55BE0-AF7D-487B-B909-4611B8490FB9@me.com> Yesterday I cleared out my junk mail folder and found a gem. Apparently I have overpaid my streaming subscription this month and need to register my bank details within 12 hours in order to get a refund. The name of the service was spelt Netlfix. Alan Taylor > On 26 Apr 2021, at 18:58, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I think the general advice is to be totally sceptical about any incoming message and delete them! Mainstream institutions always state that they will not message you this way. Common sense rules, KO! If you watch morning TV on BBC 1 you will find that there are lots of scams doing the rounds! Don't get caught! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Apr 26 15:35:09 2021 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2021 21:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Scams In-Reply-To: <54D55BE0-AF7D-487B-B909-4611B8490FB9@me.com> References: <8300670f-4678-66d1-0c12-c04c9a582018@btinternet.com> <54D55BE0-AF7D-487B-B909-4611B8490FB9@me.com> Message-ID: <951C4F71-4934-4B01-A1C3-AF4811FDF723@btinternet.com> These two videos on Tube give us hope. Amusing ?but not for the scammers Enjoy! Albert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hZU5k6AZE0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZXjeu7ptbU > On 26 Apr 2021, at 21:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Yesterday I cleared out my junk mail folder and found a gem. Apparently I have overpaid my streaming subscription this month and need to register my bank details within 12 hours in order to get a refund. The name of the service was spelt Netlfix. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 26 Apr 2021, at 18:58, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I think the general advice is to be totally sceptical about any incoming message and delete them! Mainstream institutions always state that they will not message you this way. Common sense rules, KO! If you watch morning TV on BBC 1 you will find that there are lots of scams doing the rounds! Don't get caught! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Apr 26 19:25:35 2021 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 01:25:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <6442E6FE6C2A47EBB8F61DDF180A6B3B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <59222817dfdavesound@btinternet.com> <6442E6FE6C2A47EBB8F61DDF180A6B3B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <0c4680df-3da3-7709-951c-ccbcda6e3545@btinternet.com> As Hammersmith bridge has ben closed for over a year you would not be going anywhere near Roehampton Vale to get to TVC! Cheers, Dave On 24/04/2021 13:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Indeed Dave - on the topic of said Morris Minor. He was once stopped > in Roehampton heading into work via Hammersmith Bridge so the highway > patrol boys could have a word or two about his enthusiastic driving. > > "You don't look like policemen". > "We catch a lot of people that way, Sir". > > I don't think they booked him. Neither would I have done - anyone > who'd just spent an eternity getting up Roehampton Vale deserved total > sympathy and understanding. No idea what it's like these days but I > used to head from Ashtead to Chessington and join the A3 at Hook. > Thence Tolworth, Kingston bypass etc and all the joys many of you > would have been familiar with. It really was torture at its worst. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:10 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates > > I too remember Dickie with much affection. And still pirate one of his > sayings. > > I asked him how he seemed to have less problems with radio mics than > others. > > He said "I give them a good talking to at the start of the day. " > > Also remember his love of Morris Minors. His supercharged one being quite > a car that I had the honour of driving once. > > > In article <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, > ? David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Further to comments from Pat & Nick, I too was completely taken aback >> reading about the manner of Dickie Chamberlain?s demise. In other >> contexts I have? referred to borrowing his pipe bender, listening to his >> anecdotes about exchanges with the constabulary regarding his driving >> style and enjoying the occasional meal together. Was his wife?s name >> Anne ? my recollections are often unreliable. > >> As to what lay behind his sad end I?m sure many would recall that, >> behind the professional flair and competence, he was pretty uptight >> sometimes. Remember how he used to begin his sessions at the desk for >> Crackerjack? He would parody the show?s opening lines with ?It?s Friday, >> it?s 5 o?clock and it?s an OVERMOD !!!? > >> Also, he simply couldn?t stand the endless traffic problems inevitable >> with 9.30 am starts. So with TOTP he would be at TC by 6.30 am and I got >> into the habit of doing the same thing and we would breakfast together >> in the canteen before tackling the rig good and early. > >> Pat mentioned regret at losing touch with people one had high regard >> for. I bet we might most of us say the same. > >> Dave Newbitt. > From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Apr 27 01:55:52 2021 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 07:55:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <0c4680df-3da3-7709-951c-ccbcda6e3545@btinternet.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com><08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com><6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com><1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk><01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><59222817dfdavesound@btinternet.com><6442E6FE6C2A47EBB8F61DDF180A6B3B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <0c4680df-3da3-7709-951c-ccbcda6e3545@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7E3B23BD7E724F38BF6A727EB37C64A3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Strange turn of events Dave! Although my London days are long gone I'm aware of the bridge being a no go area and find the thought rather saddening. Even though I could add up the many hours of queuing along Castlenau and equate them to a lost slice of working life I still remember the bridge with great affection. Arguably it is one of the most handsome of the river crossings but of course those summer days working at Riverside when we lunched and imbibed sitting along the embankment looking at the Thames flowing under the bridge figure amongst the most pleasant of all BBC memories. I remember once walking back to the studios in the company of Dave Hughes with a delightful young woman walking towards us. After she passed, Dave turned, watched her for a few moments and observed "I always thought I was a tit man!" A good laugh was never too far away when Dave was around. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:25 AM To: David Newbitt ; ,Tech1 >> tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates As Hammersmith bridge has ben closed for over a year you would not be going anywhere near Roehampton Vale to get to TVC! Cheers, Dave On 24/04/2021 13:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Indeed Dave - on the topic of said Morris Minor. He was once stopped in > Roehampton heading into work via Hammersmith Bridge so the highway patrol > boys could have a word or two about his enthusiastic driving. > > "You don't look like policemen". > "We catch a lot of people that way, Sir". > > I don't think they booked him. Neither would I have done - anyone who'd > just spent an eternity getting up Roehampton Vale deserved total sympathy > and understanding. No idea what it's like these days but I used to head > from Ashtead to Chessington and join the A3 at Hook. Thence Tolworth, > Kingston bypass etc and all the joys many of you would have been familiar > with. It really was torture at its worst. > > Dave Newbitt. > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 12:10 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Staff records - updates > > I too remember Dickie with much affection. And still pirate one of his > sayings. > > I asked him how he seemed to have less problems with radio mics than > others. > > He said "I give them a good talking to at the start of the day. " > > Also remember his love of Morris Minors. His supercharged one being quite > a car that I had the honour of driving once. > > > In article <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, > David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> Further to comments from Pat & Nick, I too was completely taken aback >> reading about the manner of Dickie Chamberlain?s demise. In other >> contexts I have referred to borrowing his pipe bender, listening to his >> anecdotes about exchanges with the constabulary regarding his driving >> style and enjoying the occasional meal together. Was his wife?s name >> Anne ? my recollections are often unreliable. > >> As to what lay behind his sad end I?m sure many would recall that, >> behind the professional flair and competence, he was pretty uptight >> sometimes. Remember how he used to begin his sessions at the desk for >> Crackerjack? He would parody the show?s opening lines with ?It?s Friday, >> it?s 5 o?clock and it?s an OVERMOD !!!? > >> Also, he simply couldn?t stand the endless traffic problems inevitable >> with 9.30 am starts. So with TOTP he would be at TC by 6.30 am and I got >> into the habit of doing the same thing and we would breakfast together >> in the canteen before tackling the rig good and early. > >> Pat mentioned regret at losing touch with people one had high regard >> for. I bet we might most of us say the same. > >> Dave Newbitt. > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Apr 27 04:41:26 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 10:41:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staff records - updates In-Reply-To: <0c4680df-3da3-7709-951c-ccbcda6e3545@btinternet.com> References: <29B79E3FEE6448A1BC5861CF36F1E26E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <60829cda.1c69fb81.2eaa.49aa@mx.google.com> <08f2202e-dd9a-6f0b-8b79-aa204cbcce81@btinternet.com> <6083dee0.1c69fb81.51f1f.7fdf@mx.google.com> <1371395234.132011.1619255545678@email.ionos.co.uk> <01F93328CFD5485C81C0B21D74760D56@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <59222817dfdavesound@btinternet.com> <6442E6FE6C2A47EBB8F61DDF180A6B3B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <0c4680df-3da3-7709-951c-ccbcda6e3545@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5923ab75a3davesound@btinternet.com> In article <0c4680df-3da3-7709-951c-ccbcda6e3545 at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > As Hammersmith bridge has ben closed for over a year you would not be > going anywhere near Roehampton Vale to get to TVC! Cheers, Dave The Tory London Mayor candidate has promised to get Hammersmith Bridge sorted. In future, it will be known as Bailey Bridge. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Apr 27 11:19:36 2021 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 17:19:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] HRH D of E at the BBC Message-ID: <757437F1-D20E-433D-9C09-C33A7E26D914@me.com> There's a supplement in this weeks Radio Times about the late Prince Philip at the BBC. Front cover sitting on Grandstand desk with Reslo Ribbon and some monitors, inside with an episode of "Round the World in 40 minutes from May 1957. There's someone on a Motorised, (I think) with a Marconi Mk 3 with the LHS cover open and the shiny end of a pan handle showing. Might be Maintenance sitting in during a meal break, I don't think a proper operator would do that. Next is PP peering in to a viewfinder of a CPS Emitron in LG in 1953. 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Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Thu Apr 29 18:35:52 2021 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 00:35:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Future grand national winner? In-Reply-To: <68FAD486-05A0-4D34-BB26-B8E91725580D@mac.com> References: <68FAD486-05A0-4D34-BB26-B8E91725580D@mac.com> Message-ID: I mean great-grandparents, of course! Mike G > On 30 Apr 2021, at 00:34, Mike Giles wrote: > > ?And happy grandparents, no doubt! > > Mike G > >> On 30 Apr 2021, at 00:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My great-grandson, what a happy boy! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 05:55:10 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 11:55:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: How low can COVID go? In-Reply-To: <48d605e2453cb0ad3892e077d.28641fd8df.20210430104059.031ea01430.aa5552d8@mail247.atl241.mcsv.net> References: <48d605e2453cb0ad3892e077d.28641fd8df.20210430104059.031ea01430.aa5552d8@mail247.atl241.mcsv.net> Message-ID: I've been putting my stats into the ZOE COVID survey for some time now.? They're now having problems with their results, because as although they have over a million doing that same as me, the number of people with COVID is so low that they're going to have to change the system. I read, and my sons tell me, that pubs are pretty much back to normal as long as you stay outside, despite any lockdown rules. Pubs need the money so they aren't exactly rushing to enforce them. B -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: How low can COVID go? Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:41:09 +0000 From: ZOE COVID Study Reply-To: ZOE COVID Study To: bernie833 at gmail.com How low can COVID go? Your weekly update from ZOE! View this email in your browser Hello Contributors*? * *COVID**rates among lowest ever recorded* We've recorded some of the lowest COVID levels since our records began! This is fantastic news, but it also means that we need to take a look at our methods, as low levels like these make it difficult for surveillance surveys to extrapolate data to the wider population, and ZOE?s no exception. It?s a great position to be in and we?ll keep you updated on how we?re making sure ZOE continues to produce accurate and reliable COVID data. Tim explains more in his weekly video , or check out the latest numbers in the press release. *ZOE?s vaccine data published in leading science journal * On Wednesday, together with our awesome researchers at King?s College London, we published a paper in the leading scientific journal /Lancet Infectious Diseases/ . The paper looks at vaccine data from over 600,000 of you who recorded doses of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines?with us. Head to our blog to unpack the research. Your vaccine data was also covered widely in the national media; BBC News , Sky News , The Sun , Daily Mail , The I and The Telegraph . Keep safe**and**keep logging*? * The ZOE**COVID**Study**team Twitter Facebook Website Instagram /Copyright ? 2021 Zoe Global Limited, All rights reserved./ You signed up for updates on https://covid.joinzoe.com/ *Our mailing address is:* 164 Westminster Bridge Road London SE1 7RW Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Apr 30 06:04:38 2021 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:04:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: How low can COVID go? In-Reply-To: References: <48d605e2453cb0ad3892e077d.28641fd8df.20210430104059.031ea01430.aa5552d8@mail247.atl241.mcsv.net> Message-ID: <15d84df8-5e57-7c2b-f6c2-7335ef1e64a6@chriswoolf.co.uk> The Zoe survey boasts about 4.7m contributors. Like you I've been contributing for the best part of a year to this very valuable resource. It was the early Zoe results that persuaded Boris /et al/ that they were going in the wrong direction last year. Chris Woolf On 30/04/2021 11:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I've been putting my stats into the ZOE COVID survey for some time > now.? They're now having problems with their results, because as > although they have over a million doing that same as me, the number of > people with COVID is so low that they're going to have to change the > system. > > I read, and my sons tell me, that pubs are pretty much back to normal > as long as you stay outside, despite any lockdown rules. Pubs need the > money so they aren't exactly rushing to enforce them. > > B > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: How low can COVID go? > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:41:09 +0000 > From: ZOE COVID Study > Reply-To: ZOE COVID Study > To: bernie833 at gmail.com > > > > How low can COVID go? Your weekly update from ZOE! > View this email in your browser > > > > > > Hello Contributors*? * > > *COVID**rates among lowest ever recorded* > > We've recorded some of the lowest COVID levels since our records > began! This is fantastic news, but it also means that we need to take > a look at our methods, as low levels like these make it difficult for > surveillance surveys to extrapolate data to the wider population, and > ZOE?s no exception. It?s a great position to be in and we?ll keep you > updated on how we?re making sure ZOE continues to produce accurate and > reliable COVID data. > > Tim explains more in his weekly video > , > or check out the latest numbers in the press release. > > > > *ZOE?s vaccine data published in leading science journal * > > On Wednesday, together with our awesome researchers at King?s College > London, we published a paper in the leading scientific journal /Lancet > Infectious Diseases/ > . > The paper looks at vaccine data from over 600,000 of you who recorded > doses of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines?with us. > > Head to our blog to unpack the research. > > > Your vaccine data was also covered widely in the national media; BBC > News > , > Sky News > , > The Sun > , > Daily Mail > , > The I > > and The Telegraph > . > > Keep safe**and**keep logging*? * > > The ZOE**COVID**Study**team > > > > > > > > Twitter > > > > Facebook > > > > Website > > > > Instagram > > > > > /Copyright ? 2021 Zoe Global Limited, All rights reserved./ > You signed up for updates on https://covid.joinzoe.com/ > > *Our mailing address is:* > 164 Westminster Bridge Road > London SE1 7RW > > Want to change how you receive these emails? > You can update your preferences > > or unsubscribe from this list > . > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Apr 30 08:05:00 2021 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:05:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: How low can COVID go? In-Reply-To: References: <48d605e2453cb0ad3892e077d.28641fd8df.20210430104059.031ea01430.aa5552d8@mail24 Message-ID: <5925499991davesound@btinternet.com> Pretty difficult to enforce social distancing in a pub garden etc. And alcohol is known to remove inhibitions. Assuming immunisation does help with preventing the spread of the virus (not yet certain) expect the number of cases to increase over the next few weeks as the majority using the pubs at the moment are too young to be immunised. In article , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I've been putting my stats into the ZOE COVID survey for some time now. > They're now having problems with their results, because as although they > have over a million doing that same as me, the number of people with > COVID is so low that they're going to have to change the system. > I read, and my sons tell me, that pubs are pretty much back to normal as > long as you stay outside, despite any lockdown rules. Pubs need the > money so they aren't exactly rushing to enforce them. > B > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: How low can COVID go? > Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:41:09 +0000 > From: ZOE COVID Study > Reply-To: ZOE COVID Study > To: bernie833 at gmail.com > How low can COVID go? Your weekly update from ZOE! > View this email in your browser > > > Hello Contributors*# * > *COVID**rates among lowest ever recorded* > We've recorded some of the lowest COVID levels since our records began! > This is fantastic news, but it also means that we need to take a look at > our methods, as low levels like these make it difficult for surveillance > surveys to extrapolate data to the wider population, and ZOE?s no > exception. It?s a great position to be in and we?ll keep you updated on > how we?re making sure ZOE continues to produce accurate and reliable > COVID data. > Tim explains more in his weekly video > , > or check out the latest numbers in the press release. > > *ZOE?s vaccine data published in leading science journal * > On Wednesday, together with our awesome researchers at King?s College > London, we published a paper in the leading scientific journal /Lancet > Infectious Diseases/ > . > The paper looks at vaccine data from over 600,000 of you who recorded > doses of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines with us. > Head to our blog to unpack the research. > > Your vaccine data was also covered widely in the national media; BBC > News > , > Sky News > , > The Sun > , > Daily Mail > , > The I > > and The Telegraph > . > Keep safe**and**keep logging*# * > The ZOE**COVID**Study**team > > Twitter > > Facebook > > Website > > Instagram > > /Copyright ? 2021 Zoe Global Limited, All rights reserved./ > You signed up for updates on https://covid.joinzoe.com/ > *Our mailing address is:* > 164 Westminster Bridge Road > London SE1 7RW > Want to change how you receive these emails? > You can update your preferences > > or unsubscribe from this list > . -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Fri Apr 30 08:25:25 2021 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 14:25:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: How low can COVID go? In-Reply-To: <5925499991davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5925499991davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <026D776E-7279-49E7-822D-948260887901@me.com> After a few weeks with no Covid patients at all, Janet?s hospital now has a few new ones. The staff are rather concerned as although they were planning for a resurgence of cases, it wasn?t expected to start just yet. It might just be a temporary anomaly, but it can?t be dismissed lightly either. As some of the Indian staff at the hospital have pointed out, a few months ago India believed that they had beaten Covid. There are significant differences between them and us, but also some worrying parallels. I intend to remain cautious for a while longer until we can see how things are shaping up, especially with regard to the double mutations which have already been identified in the UK. Alan Taylor > On 30 Apr 2021, at 14:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Pretty difficult to enforce social distancing in a pub garden etc. And > alcohol is known to remove inhibitions. > > Assuming immunisation does help with preventing the spread of the virus > (not yet certain) expect the number of cases to increase over the next few > weeks as the majority using the pubs at the moment are too young to be > immunised. > > > > In article , > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I've been putting my stats into the ZOE COVID survey for some time now. >> They're now having problems with their results, because as although they >> have over a million doing that same as me, the number of people with >> COVID is so low that they're going to have to change the system. > >> I read, and my sons tell me, that pubs are pretty much back to normal as >> long as you stay outside, despite any lockdown rules. Pubs need the >> money so they aren't exactly rushing to enforce them. > >> B > > >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: How low can COVID go? >> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:41:09 +0000 >> From: ZOE COVID Study >> Reply-To: ZOE COVID Study >> To: bernie833 at gmail.com > > > >> How low can COVID go? Your weekly update from ZOE! >> View this email in your browser >> > >> > > >> Hello Contributors*# * > >> *COVID**rates among lowest ever recorded* > >> We've recorded some of the lowest COVID levels since our records began! >> This is fantastic news, but it also means that we need to take a look at >> our methods, as low levels like these make it difficult for surveillance >> surveys to extrapolate data to the wider population, and ZOE?s no >> exception. It?s a great position to be in and we?ll keep you updated on >> how we?re making sure ZOE continues to produce accurate and reliable >> COVID data. > >> Tim explains more in his weekly video >> , >> or check out the latest numbers in the press release. >> > > >> *ZOE?s vaccine data published in leading science journal * > >> On Wednesday, together with our awesome researchers at King?s College >> London, we published a paper in the leading scientific journal /Lancet >> Infectious Diseases/ >> . >> The paper looks at vaccine data from over 600,000 of you who recorded >> doses of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines with us. > >> Head to our blog to unpack the research. >> > >> Your vaccine data was also covered widely in the national media; BBC >> News >> , >> Sky News >> , >> The Sun >> , >> Daily Mail >> , >> The I >> >> and The Telegraph >> . > >> Keep safe**and**keep logging*# * > >> The ZOE**COVID**Study**team > >> > > > > > >> Twitter >> > > >> Facebook >> > > >> Website >> > > >> Instagram >> > > > >> /Copyright ? 2021 Zoe Global Limited, All rights reserved./ >> You signed up for updates on https://covid.joinzoe.com/ > >> *Our mailing address is:* >> 164 Westminster Bridge Road >> London SE1 7RW > >> Want to change how you receive these emails? >> You can update your preferences >> >> or unsubscribe from this list >> . > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 09:28:18 2021 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 15:28:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: How low can COVID go? In-Reply-To: <026D776E-7279-49E7-822D-948260887901@me.com> References: <5925499991davesound@btinternet.com> <026D776E-7279-49E7-822D-948260887901@me.com> Message-ID: It's somewhat surprising that India got away so lightly for so long.? I'm sure lots of people here have been to Old Delhi or wherever, where the alleys are always narrow and hugely crowded. Someone the other day said "I don't need to go to India to get the feel, I've been to Hounslow and Southall". Is that racist? Don't know. I said "You have no idea" B On 30/04/2021 14:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > After a few weeks with no Covid patients at all, Janet?s hospital now has a few new ones. > The staff are rather concerned as although they were planning for a resurgence of cases, it wasn?t expected to start just yet. It might just be a temporary anomaly, but it can?t be dismissed lightly either. > > As some of the Indian staff at the hospital have pointed out, a few months ago India believed that they had beaten Covid. There are significant differences between them and us, but also some worrying parallels. > > I intend to remain cautious for a while longer until we can see how things are shaping up, especially with regard to the double mutations which have already been identified in the UK. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 30 Apr 2021, at 14:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Pretty difficult to enforce social distancing in a pub garden etc. And >> alcohol is known to remove inhibitions. >> >> Assuming immunisation does help with preventing the spread of the virus >> (not yet certain) expect the number of cases to increase over the next few >> weeks as the majority using the pubs at the moment are too young to be >> immunised. >> >> >> >> In article , >> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> I've been putting my stats into the ZOE COVID survey for some time now. >>> They're now having problems with their results, because as although they >>> have over a million doing that same as me, the number of people with >>> COVID is so low that they're going to have to change the system. >>> I read, and my sons tell me, that pubs are pretty much back to normal as >>> long as you stay outside, despite any lockdown rules. Pubs need the >>> money so they aren't exactly rushing to enforce them. >>> B >> >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: How low can COVID go? >>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 10:41:09 +0000 >>> From: ZOE COVID Study >>> Reply-To: ZOE COVID Study >>> To: bernie833 at gmail.com >> >> >>> How low can COVID go? Your weekly update from ZOE! >>> View this email in your browser >>> >>> >> >>> Hello Contributors*# * >>> *COVID**rates among lowest ever recorded* >>> We've recorded some of the lowest COVID levels since our records began! >>> This is fantastic news, but it also means that we need to take a look at >>> our methods, as low levels like these make it difficult for surveillance >>> surveys to extrapolate data to the wider population, and ZOE?s no >>> exception. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mjcnbdlanjlddnbh.png Type: image/png Size: 1125248 bytes Desc: not available URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Fri Apr 30 12:45:56 2021 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2021 18:45:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Covid References: <80cfd73a-4fb8-c9ed-0568-f12c2aa8eadf.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <80cfd73a-4fb8-c9ed-0568-f12c2aa8eadf@sky.com> I read Bernie's latest email with interest, as I do think that Covid is very low now such that...... I received a phone call this afternoon from my medical centre saying that they were now getting back to normal and could they book me in for a number of tests (PSA, blood pressure, a check of my asthma and cholesterol).' Goodness,' I said, 'that's getting them all in'. 'Yes, came the reply, 'a sort of MoT!' So after a year, I now have my first check-up on 2nd June. 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