From alanaudio at me.com Tue Sep 1 05:18:01 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:18:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones Message-ID: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base station radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rsz_vintage_bbc_radio_microphone.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 19550 bytes Desc: not available URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 05:51:31 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:51:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons In-Reply-To: References: <7be5ac7b-a35a-13ff-c34b-4680561f8f02@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry this response is so late, but better late than never, I suppose. Like Dave, I have a crisp problem. In my case, the problem is with the cheese and onion flavour variety of "The Real McCoy's ? Accept No Imitations." The trouble is that they *do* seem like imitations of the crisps I used to rate so highly. I think the flavour used to be called Cheddar Cheese and Spring Onion, but now it's just Cheddar and Onion. That's no problem, but the change of flavour is. The problem started a few years ago, when I noticed that they had started to claim a stronger flavour. In fact, the crisps had almost no flavour at all for a few weeks, then a much weaker flavour. Now the bags claim "NEW great flavour." Quite what can be new about a cheese and onion flavour is anyone's guess, but it is still weaker and certainly inferior to the flavour of the original crisps. I suspect that they have cut down on the cheese content as well as the salt. Unlike Nick, I have not compared the strengths of sea salt and table salt. But I've always avoided sea salt as being pointless. There may be talk of its trace element content being beneficial, but I've not seen anything in the way of evidence. I've just noticed that our new jar of Mrs Elswood's pickled cucumber slices has a new flavour ? nothing like the flavour I had known and loved for many years. In general, manufacturers seem intent on changing things. So when I go to get something that I have just run out of, I often cannot find even something that claims to be the same product. So I have to buy an alternative. This may just be a problem caused by shopping at supermarkets, which are particularly keen on trying different brands. Some years ago, I became fed up with my bacon containing so much water and a nasty looking white substance. So I went to a Sainsbury's to look for something like traditional streaky bacon. To my surprise, I quickly found some bacon that claimed just that but, to my disappointment, the packet also bore the words "Process Patented by Sainsbury." I just don't know how they can get a patent on what they also claim is a "traditional process." I did not purchase. In case others have a problem with the water and some whitish chemical in bacon, I discovered they can be extracted by microwaving the bacon for up to a minute before frying or grilling. KW On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 23:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I hope not Dave, that?s one of the Covid symptoms. > But it is true, food manufacturers have taken it on themselves to reduce > salt (and sugar, etc.,) in their products, and because salt is a taste bud > stimulator, and thereby a flavour enhancer, we often need to add salt to > meet our hopes and expectations. Not just you, me too. And, I find sea salt > less effective than good old Sodium Chloride. > Would others agree? > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 20 Jul 2020, at 21:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?My latest is 'ready salted' and 'crisps'! In the past I could taste the > salt but these days I find that I have to add salt to get the correct > taste. Or are my taste buds giving up? Cheers, Dave > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Sep 1 05:55:09 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:55:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> Message-ID: I'm sure the items at front of the photo are lighting connectors: Klegal/cleagle?? or something like that used by Lee Lighting.?I found a photo of the 7ft Electrovoice on line. I'll post it from my desktop.?The black block batteries were surely from the next generation of radio mics after the TM3s: rather more reliable than the awful triangular ones.I remember the twin unit radio talkback: lots of the batteries were rubbish, so we got through dozens. I remember hanging? set on the scanner door, then someone closed the door! The telescopic aerial ended up a lovely kinked shape. We used them on Jude the Obscure in Oxford and blotted out the local tv station.?JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 01/09/2020 11:18 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. ?The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember.There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. ?Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas?I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. ?The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then.There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. ?Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them?I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. ?The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery.The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. ?Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally?I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. ?Does anybody remember them?While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful.Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? ?I know about some of the infamous incidents. ?Does anybody have any personal recollections?Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? ?Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn ?AKG D109 ? ?Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? ?Any memories of that series?Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. ?I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. ?Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. ?One was that the base station radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. ?Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with ?the aerial lead. ?They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. ?That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. ?Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. ?The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas.PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. ?From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. ?However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. ?Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory?Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). ?Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? ?The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. ?The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. ?These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. ?On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? ?I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. ?It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used?Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome.Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rsz_vintage_bbc_radio_microphone.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19550 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 1 06:07:53 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:07:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Crisps In-Reply-To: References: <7be5ac7b-a35a-13ff-c34b-4680561f8f02@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5f4e2b8a.1c69fb81.f821b.4ea9@mx.google.com> Some years ago, I worked on a programme about firms which had won awards for energy use/saving. One such was Walkers Crisps (I think). As I recall, the award was for the use of ?an air knife? used to finely slice the spuds. (Wonder if that was where Dyson got the idea for the hand dryers that nearly sever your wrists!). Filming in the factory was interesting, as the flavours were sprayed onto the potato slices ? seemed horribly chemical. My cameraman was pinching crisps off the conveyor, after they came out of the deep fryer. ?Ah!? said the PR guy shepherding us around, ?that?s the best time to sample them!? (They did present each of us with a box of 24 packets!). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 01 September 2020 11:51 To: dave.mdv; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Oxymorons I'm sorry this response is so late, but better late than never, I suppose.? Like Dave, I have a crisp problem. In my case, the problem is with the cheese and onion flavour variety of "The Real McCoy's ? Accept No Imitations." The trouble is that they do seem like imitations of the crisps I used to rate so highly. I think the flavour used to be called Cheddar Cheese and Spring Onion, but now it's just Cheddar and Onion. That's no problem, but the change of flavour is. The problem started a few years ago, when I noticed that they had started to claim a stronger flavour. In fact, the crisps had almost no flavour at all for a few weeks, then a much weaker flavour. Now the bags claim "NEW great flavour." Quite what can be new about a cheese and onion flavour is anyone's guess, but it is still weaker and certainly inferior to the flavour of the original crisps. I suspect that they have cut down on the cheese content as well as the salt. KW -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Sep 1 06:23:20 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:23:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> Message-ID: <75536236-d691-468c-8312-92c4c4e32db1@btinternet.com> TM3 - correct, Eddystone RX - correct (different to the one in the picture), Kalium - correct, Batphones in type 5 scanners (multiplexed system - a p.i.t.a!) changed to? Philips KBX in type 8s. Field telephones TeleF) -brown with winder, followed by GPO green 704A with 9 U2s. Good luck! Cheers, Dave On 01/09/2020 11:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of > programme which only became practical to cover live once radio > microphones were available. ?The research I've been doing has hit the > buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an > opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. > > There is very little information about early radio mics on the > internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly > recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated > by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. ?Here's a > picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects > in the foreground, any ideas? > > > I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask > with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of > triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, > with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium > batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he > is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also > refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment > booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but > it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. > ?The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more > by then. > > There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular > battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. ?Does anybody have any > info, memories or pictures of them? > > I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes > concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. ?The only research note > I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within > studios and how it is affected by scenery. > > The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two > Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been > replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's > conversion to colour. ?Does anybody know what type of transmitters > were used originally? > > I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before > Microns cornered the market. ?Does anybody remember them? > > While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information > would be useful. > > Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on > those shows? ?I know about some of the infamous incidents. ?Does > anybody have any personal recollections? > > Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that > dedicated scanner? ?Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something > like a cabled, neck worn ?AKG D109 ? ?Did they have a radio talkback > system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? ?Any memories of > that series? > > Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback > transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he > 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the > wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label > on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a > skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of > the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and > lovingly repaired it. ?I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback > system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the > transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a > gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. ?Power > came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a > snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no > chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major > problems. ?One was that the base station radiated so much spurious > radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted > out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a > lot to make us popular. with the locals. ?Designs Department rose to > the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and > built a passive filter to fit inline with ?the aerial lead. ?They > tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the > wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. > ?That's the day when they realised the important difference between > connecting the components in series or parallel. ?Fortunately it was > only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended > function. > > The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted > into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That > particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever > got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and > subsequently Motorolas. > > PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing > generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle > to alert the other end. ?From memory, I think that all trucks up to > and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check > with North 3. ?However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners > originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be > something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the > shelf system. ?Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? > > Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 > microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). ?Does > anybody have any pictures of one in use? ?The one metre long > microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top > of early colour cameras. ?The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop > shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an > external windshield similar to Rycote housings. ?These microphones > have almost completely vanished without trace. ?On a similar subject, > does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 > foot gun mic in use on a programme? ?I remember operating one on the > centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe > Trotters in the early 1970s. ?It was the most unwieldy thing > imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? > > Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. > > Alan Taylor > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rsz_vintage_bbc_radio_microphone.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19550 bytes Desc: not available URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 06:28:42 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:28:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> Message-ID: I've had little to do with radio mics, but I do remember that, at Avenue House, Equipment Department, one was sent to us in 1965 or 1966 for attention. I'm sorry, but I have no idea of the model number. The problem was that it kept going off-frequency. The likely cause was that the unit was being overheated somehow, and we asked how it was being used. Apparently it was strapped to the inner thigh of Moira Lister. We asked if we could bring a thermometer to investigate the temperature rise, but we had no reply to our scientific request. KW On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 11:18, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme > which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were > available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards > to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps > on this group what they can remember. > > There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, > in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC > Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for > many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers > used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? > > > I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a > long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross > section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at > either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise > that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries > that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 > being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't > recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I > used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around > for a decade or more by then. > > There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery > with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories > or pictures of them? > > I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning > radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so > far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is > affected by scenery. > > The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two > Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced > with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to > colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? > > I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns > cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? > > While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information > would be useful. > > Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those > shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any > personal recollections? > > Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated > scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, > neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or > was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? > > Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback > transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he > 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage > into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping > that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or > so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished > the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also > remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate > units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the > receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units > fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( > about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially > selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. > There were two major problems. One was that the base station radiated so > much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, > it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't > do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to > the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built > a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it > was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while > allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they > realised the important difference between connecting the components in > series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts > the other way to get the intended function. > > The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into > his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular > problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly > sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently > Motorolas. > > PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing > generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to > alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and > including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North > 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC > designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability > and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in > the blanks in my memory? > > Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( > Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any > pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen > mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor > gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I > don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote > housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without > trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or > recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I > remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering > the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy > thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it > used? > > Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. > > Alan Taylor > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rsz_vintage_bbc_radio_microphone.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19550 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 1 06:29:34 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:29:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <5f4e28a2.1c69fb81.40351.6ea4SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> <5f4e28a2.1c69fb81.40351.6ea4SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5f4e309f.1c69fb81.5965d.4e28@mx.google.com> Yes the triangular batteries were hopelessly unreliable, probably due to poor contacts. I remember the ?kidney flask? transmitters. One was fitted on the inside thigh of Shani Wallis on a musical show in TC4. She was required to dance and sing. To conserve battery power, it was switched off for as long as possible, but a couple of minutes before her entrance, I realised with horror that I had not switched it back on. Racing up to her, I explained the problem, whereupon she hauled up her skirt for me to ?do what the man had to do!? Think the DC plug was Kliegle ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from investigative fingers by a rubber flap. I once used the ridiculously long Electrovoice aimed at a tap dancer. It wasn?t very good. But speaking of tap dancing, the stage run of ?42nd Street? utilised 84 radio mics (Shure) with the dancers feet mics mounted under the tights at calf level. I believe that the principals? speech mics were doubled up, as well. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: jpn via Tech1 Sent: 01 September 2020 11:55 To: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Radio microphones I'm sure the items at front of the photo are lighting connectors: Klegal/cleagle?? or something like that used by Lee Lighting.? I found a photo of the 7ft Electrovoice on line. I'll post it from my desktop.? The black block batteries were surely from the next generation of radio mics after the TM3s: rather more reliable than the awful triangular ones. I remember the twin unit radio talkback: lots of the batteries were rubbish, so we got through dozens. I remember hanging? set on the scanner door, then someone closed the door! The telescopic aerial ended up a lovely kinked shape. We used them on Jude the Obscure in Oxford and blotted out the local tv station.? John Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 01/09/2020 11:18 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. ?The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Sep 1 06:33:20 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:33:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons In-Reply-To: References: <7be5ac7b-a35a-13ff-c34b-4680561f8f02@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <45dc0269-bb95-ec75-7631-d1b6c76b04c5@btinternet.com> Something else that has changed taste (according to my taste buds!) is 'brown sauce'! I seem to remember that both 'Daddies' and 'HP' were more spicy some years ago, now they are more like Branston Fruity or the newer Tiptree Brown Sauce, although the HP label says it is 'Original' - I beg to differ!? Another change is Finish liquid dishwasher soap which doesn't clean tea cups like it used to, when I queried it with them I was told that the EU had made them remove the bleach from the recipe! Mars bars are much smaller and so are KitKats - we really did have better days years ago! Cheers, Dave On 01/09/2020 11:51, Keith Wicks wrote: > I'm sorry this response is so late, but better late than never, I > suppose. > > Like Dave, I have a crisp problem. In my case, the problem is with the > cheese and onion flavour variety of "The Real McCoy's ? Accept No > Imitations." The trouble is that they /do/ seem like imitations of the > crisps I used to rate so highly. I think the flavour used to be called > Cheddar Cheese and Spring Onion, but now it's just Cheddar and Onion. > That's no problem, but the change of flavour is. The problem started a > few years ago, when I noticed that they had started to claim a > stronger flavour. In fact, the crisps had almost no flavour at all for > a few weeks, then a much weaker flavour. Now the bags claim "NEW great > flavour." Quite what can be new about a cheese and onion flavour is > anyone's guess, but it is still weaker and certainly inferior to the > flavour of the original crisps. I suspect that they have cut down on > the cheese content as well as the salt. > > Unlike Nick, I have not compared the strengths of sea salt and table > salt. But I've always avoided sea salt as being pointless. There may > be talk of its trace element content being beneficial, but I've not > seen anything in the way of evidence. > > I've just noticed that our new jar of Mrs Elswood's pickled cucumber > slices has a new flavour ? nothing like the flavour I had known and > loved for many years. In general, manufacturers seem intent on > changing things. So when I go to get something that I have just run > out of, I often cannot find even something that claims to be the same > product. So I have to buy an alternative. This may just be a problem > caused by shopping at supermarkets, which are particularly keen on > trying different brands. Some years ago, I became fed up with my bacon > containing so much water and a nasty looking white substance. So I > went to a Sainsbury's to look for something like traditional streaky > bacon. To my surprise, I quickly found some bacon that claimed just > that but, to my disappointment, the packet also bore the words > "Process Patented by Sainsbury." I just don't know how they can get a > patent on what they also claim is a "traditional process." I did not > purchase. In case others have a problem with the water and some > whitish chemical in bacon, I discovered they can be extracted by > microwaving the bacon for up to a minute before frying or grilling. > > KW > > > On Mon, 20 Jul 2020 at 23:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 > > wrote: > > I hope not Dave, that?s one of the Covid symptoms. > But it is true, food manufacturers have taken it on themselves to > reduce salt (and sugar, etc.,) in their products, and because salt > is a taste bud stimulator, and thereby a flavour enhancer, we > often need to add salt to meet our hopes and expectations. Not > just you, me too. And, I find sea salt less effective than good > old Sodium Chloride. > Would others agree? > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 20 Jul 2020, at 21:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > ?My latest is 'ready salted' and 'crisps'! In the past I could > taste the salt but these days I find that I have to add salt to > get the correct taste. Or are my taste buds giving up? Cheers, Dave > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Sep 1 07:20:14 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:20:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <5f4e309f.1c69fb81.5965d.4e28@mx.google.com> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> <5f4e28a2.1c69fb81.40351.6ea4SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f4e309f.1c69fb81.5965d.4e28@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <06BE396E-B9D8-42E4-83A3-92A7E00964D8@me.com> My story about those BBC hip flask radio mics concerns Paul Daniels, who was relatively unknown at the time, but appeared on a Seaside Special from Southsea in 1976. Paul had to be put on a higher frequency than the other artists because the wire aerial could be shorter for higher frequencies, his little legs could not accommodate a longer aerial. While I was rigging it onto him, he was in jocular mood and I joked "Now I want you to promise that when I take this off you, it won't be covered in feathers and dove shit ... I know what you magicians are like and other artists need to use this transmitter". He laughed and explained that he wasn't that type of magician. He chilled for a quite few minutes before his turn, did his act, returned backstage and made ready for me to remove his transmitter. When I pulled out the aerial lead it was followed by yards and yards of silk flags of many nations. Paul had done his entire show with his sock stuffed full of those flags just so that he could have a laugh backstage. He had borrowed the flags from Barry Walls, who worked at Gerry Cottle's circus. Barry did everything from sign-writing the circus vans to a fakir act, he also performed on stilts and was a clown too. Paul had already struck up a friendship with Barry and asked him if he had some of those flags. Some of you may have subsequently met Barry because at one time he used to run a magic and joke shop in Hammersmith called Joker. It was owned by Paul Daniels and Barry ran it. A few years later I did a series of inserts into a Paul Daniels show. It was rather like Candid Camera or Noel's Hit Squad. This particular jape involved Paul dressed as an Arab Sheik. The sheik only spoke ( mock ) Arabic and conversed entirely through an interpreter ( a rather young Jeremy Beadle - who was unknown at that time. The female accomplice was Pamela Stevenson, who was just starting to be famous ). Barry Walls had been invited along to demonstrate some of the magic tricks and jokes from his shop as the sheik was planning a lavish birthday party for many of his children. Paul egged Barry on to do increasingly absurd things and loudly laughed in appreciation at his antics. Through the interpreter Paul told Barry that he was a wonderful magician, even better than that so called magician Paul Daniels who he had seen on the television. Barry confided, "Actually Paul Daniels is an even better magician than me", all the time while standing three feet away from Paul and looking him in the face. Alan Taylor On 1 Sep 2020, at 1 Sep . 12:29, patheigham wrote: > Yes the triangular batteries were hopelessly unreliable, probably due to poor contacts. > I remember the ?kidney flask? transmitters. One was fitted on the inside thigh of Shani Wallis on a musical show in TC4. She was required to dance and sing. To conserve battery power, it was switched off for as long as possible, but a couple of minutes before her entrance, I realised with horror that I had not switched it back on. Racing up to her, I explained the problem, whereupon she hauled up her skirt for me to ?do what the man had to do!? > > Think the DC plug was Kliegle ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from investigative fingers by a rubber flap. > I once used the ridiculously long Electrovoice aimed at a tap dancer. > It wasn?t very good. But speaking of tap dancing, the stage run of ?42nd Street? utilised 84 radio mics (Shure) with the dancers feet mics mounted under the tights at calf level. I believe that the principals? speech mics were doubled up, as well. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: jpn via Tech1 > Sent: 01 September 2020 11:55 > To: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Radio microphones > > I'm sure the items at front of the photo are lighting connectors: Klegal/cleagle?? or something like that used by Lee Lighting. > > I found a photo of the 7ft Electrovoice on line. I'll post it from my desktop. > > The black block batteries were surely from the next generation of radio mics after the TM3s: rather more reliable than the awful triangular ones. > > I remember the twin unit radio talkback: lots of the batteries were rubbish, so we got through dozens. I remember hanging set on the scanner door, then someone closed the door! The telescopic aerial ended up a lovely kinked shape. We used them on Jude the Obscure in Oxford and blotted out the local tv station. > > John > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Date: 01/09/2020 11:18 (GMT+00:00) > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones > > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Sep 1 07:22:51 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 13:22:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> Message-ID: <58a929488fdavesound@btinternet.com> I can just remember being shown a BBC valve radio mic in the early 60s - perhaps kept at TV theatre? Used pretty massive carbon cell battery packs. In article <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. > There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? > I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. > There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? > I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. > The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? > I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? > While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. > Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? > Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? > Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base stati on radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. > The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. > PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? > Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? > Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. > Alan Taylor > --Apple-Mail=_5893470D-22E1-4EEA-8E8C-FE8651868D5B > Content-Type: multipart/related; > type="text/html"; > boundary="Apple-Mail=_57863F2C-DE32-4CBC-B60A-38594B47571E" -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From relong at btinternet.com Tue Sep 1 10:36:10 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 16:36:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <58a929488fdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58a929488fdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: My TFS memories from 67 onwards was BBC design dept aluminium hip flask,one pint size and a long wire antennae Not very reliable. Audio Ltd next ,FM in a teak box with whip Rx antenna and short quarter wave wire sender,again unreliable. Then in 1970 Micron from Audio Engineering,hi tech and reliable with Sony ecm 50. Really good SQ and easily tweaked for line use and boom wireless. You could use 3 together if you were lucky. Thence diversity and perhaps 6 if the wind was southerly. Now a hundred channels of digital! Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 1 Sep 2020, at 13:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I can just remember being shown a BBC valve radio mic in the early 60s - > perhaps kept at TV theatre? Used pretty massive carbon cell battery packs. > > > In article <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D at me.com>, > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. > >> There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? > > > >> I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. > >> There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? > >> I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. > >> The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? > >> I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? > >> While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. > >> Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? > >> Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? > >> Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base stati > on radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. > >> The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. > >> PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? > >> Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? > >> Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. > >> Alan Taylor > > >> --Apple-Mail=_5893470D-22E1-4EEA-8E8C-FE8651868D5B >> Content-Type: multipart/related; >> type="text/html"; >> boundary="Apple-Mail=_57863F2C-DE32-4CBC-B60A-38594B47571E" > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Sep 1 11:41:21 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 17:41:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: <58a929488fdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: At Kendal Avenue, our experience was that the BBC hip-flask radio mics were often unreliable when issued via tech stores and used by the crews. Then Colin White decided to appoint Eric Spanier as the radio mic specialist. I don't think that Eric would have objected to being described as an odd ball character, but he really came into his own with the radio mics, badgering the presenters to treat the equipment with respect, looking after the gear carefully and making sure that the production teams had realistic expectations of what could be expected. That's not to say that they never went wrong, but the reliability improved tremendously. After Eric's retirement, Richard Kemp took over the same role. Richard and Eric's expertise was put to the test on shows like live climbing coverage, or golf, where extreme radio ranges were expected under less than ideal conditions and often in atrocious weather. Their secret weapon was often to use a booster which took the radio mic transmitter and massively increased the power. You might well have seen people wearing what appears to be rucksacks with a tall aerial, walking alongside the players on golf courses. When Microns came along, most of us discovered the hard way that they would not work reliably with more than a few channels in use simultaneously. One year I was working on the Royal Variety show and the theatre sound people had a rack of maybe 18 Microns working together perfectly. The gear was provided by Autograph Sound. Shortly after that I was promoted to Sound Supervisor and when I mixed a live music show where we needed a dozen reliable radio mics, I got permission to book Autograph Sound to provide and operate them. They did a great job and we didn't have any problems at all. Modern radio mics are great, but one type of show which I regularly did was very stressful with regards to radio mics. I used to cover a lot of big movie premiers from Leicester Square. The technical requirements weren't that extensive, just a few radio mics, cabled stand-by mics, effects mics and VT. The problem was that on an event as big as a Bond premiere, maybe a hundred single-camera crews would turn up near the last minute and most of them brought a radio mic or two. You could almost guarantee that while you were doing the live coverage some foreign crew would illicitly pop up on your properly licensed radio mic frequency. Getting through the crowds to locate the pirate transmitter was almost impossible. The presenters often worked over a large area and arranging cabled standby mics was tricky. Occasionally the production team tried to insist that standby radio mics weren't needed because "radio mics never go wrong these days". We tried to get the events organisers to make ENG crews declare what radio mics and frequencies they would be using as part of getting permission to be there, but non-technical events people asking technical questions to crews who aren't very technical themselves was never going to work out well. Alan Taylor On 1 Sep 2020, at 1 Sep . 16:36, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > My TFS memories from 67 onwards was BBC design dept aluminium hip flask,one pint size and a long wire antennae > Not very reliable. > Audio Ltd next ,FM in a teak box with whip Rx antenna and short quarter wave wire sender,again unreliable. > Then in 1970 Micron from Audio Engineering,hi tech and reliable with Sony ecm 50. > Really good SQ and easily tweaked for line use and boom wireless. > You could use 3 together if you were lucky. > Thence diversity and perhaps 6 if the wind was southerly. > Now a hundred channels of digital! > Roger > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 1 Sep 2020, at 13:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I can just remember being shown a BBC valve radio mic in the early 60s - >> perhaps kept at TV theatre? Used pretty massive carbon cell battery packs. >> >> >> In article <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D at me.com>, >> Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. >> >>> There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? >> >> >> >>> I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. >> >>> There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? >> >>> I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. >> >>> The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? >> >>> I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? >> >>> While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. >> >>> Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? >> >>> Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? >> >>> Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base stati >> on radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. >> >>> The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. >> >>> PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? >> >>> Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? >> >>> Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. >> >>> Alan Taylor >> >> >>> --Apple-Mail=_5893470D-22E1-4EEA-8E8C-FE8651868D5B >>> Content-Type: multipart/related; >>> type="text/html"; >>> boundary="Apple-Mail=_57863F2C-DE32-4CBC-B60A-38594B47571E" >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Sep 1 14:14:14 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 20:14:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: <58a929488fdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9615FCA2-0AC8-4AB2-9A33-00D0D984985F@mac.com> I used TM3?s on Bristol?s MCR28 and all too often they gave trouble, but we did a couple of events one year where they worked surprisingly well during the Bristol OB Unit?s annual summer fortnight in Cornwall or Devon. The first event involved kayaking with the now disgraced John Earle, at an Outward Bound school somewhere near Paignton. I?m pretty sure we were using Electrovoice BK6 lanyards snd we wrapped the lot in polythene bags. Everything behaved impeccably, but we did baulk at the prospect of letting John do a demo of how to capsize and recover with the kit on, so we arranged a pause whilst we removed it, then gave it back to him after he?d surfaced, covering the potential gap in dialogue by getting him to deliver a strained description of what he was about to do and playing it in as he performed the manoeuvre. The second event on that trip was John again, with others, gliding from Polperro aerodrome, I think it was. Despite doing various aerobatics, the TM3?s worked perfectly over what seemed like incredible distances ~ the receivers obviously liked the transmitters being airborne with perfect line of sight throughout. Our only problem was a shortage of kit ~ I think we had three receivers in the scanner, but it might only have been two, meaning that we had to swap transmitters between people and of course, the guy who?d just been aloft was at one end of the runway, whilst the guy about to take off was at the other and I was the sole SA ~ never has a scanner push bike been more necessary! I pleaded with the EMs to make the case for a bike on several occasions, but they never took me seriously, and nor did they when I argued that the camera van should carry a portaloo and toilet tent ~ blokes were usually OK given the odd bush, but on that aerodrome there were none and the poor PA just had to cross her legs! Mike G > On 1 Sep 2020, at 17:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > At Kendal Avenue, our experience was that the BBC hip-flask radio mics were often unreliable when issued via tech stores and used by the crews. Then Colin White decided to appoint Eric Spanier as the radio mic specialist. I don't think that Eric would have objected to being described as an odd ball character, but he really came into his own with the radio mics, badgering the presenters to treat the equipment with respect, looking after the gear carefully and making sure that the production teams had realistic expectations of what could be expected. That's not to say that they never went wrong, but the reliability improved tremendously. After Eric's retirement, Richard Kemp took over the same role. Richard and Eric's expertise was put to the test on shows like live climbing coverage, or golf, where extreme radio ranges were expected under less than ideal conditions and often in atrocious weather. Their secret weapon was often to use a booster which took the radio mic transmitter and massively increased the power. You might well have seen people wearing what appears to be rucksacks with a tall aerial, walking alongside the players on golf courses. > > When Microns came along, most of us discovered the hard way that they would not work reliably with more than a few channels in use simultaneously. One year I was working on the Royal Variety show and the theatre sound people had a rack of maybe 18 Microns working together perfectly. The gear was provided by Autograph Sound. Shortly after that I was promoted to Sound Supervisor and when I mixed a live music show where we needed a dozen reliable radio mics, I got permission to book Autograph Sound to provide and operate them. They did a great job and we didn't have any problems at all. > > Modern radio mics are great, but one type of show which I regularly did was very stressful with regards to radio mics. I used to cover a lot of big movie premiers from Leicester Square. The technical requirements weren't that extensive, just a few radio mics, cabled stand-by mics, effects mics and VT. The problem was that on an event as big as a Bond premiere, maybe a hundred single-camera crews would turn up near the last minute and most of them brought a radio mic or two. You could almost guarantee that while you were doing the live coverage some foreign crew would illicitly pop up on your properly licensed radio mic frequency. Getting through the crowds to locate the pirate transmitter was almost impossible. The presenters often worked over a large area and arranging cabled standby mics was tricky. Occasionally the production team tried to insist that standby radio mics weren't needed because "radio mics never go wrong these days". We tried to get the events organisers to make ENG crews declare what radio mics and frequencies they would be using as part of getting permission to be there, but non-technical events people asking technical questions to crews who aren't very technical themselves was never going to work out well. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > On 1 Sep 2020, at 1 Sep . 16:36, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > >> My TFS memories from 67 onwards was BBC design dept aluminium hip flask,one pint size and a long wire antennae >> Not very reliable. >> Audio Ltd next ,FM in a teak box with whip Rx antenna and short quarter wave wire sender,again unreliable. >> Then in 1970 Micron from Audio Engineering,hi tech and reliable with Sony ecm 50. >> Really good SQ and easily tweaked for line use and boom wireless. >> You could use 3 together if you were lucky. >> Thence diversity and perhaps 6 if the wind was southerly. >> Now a hundred channels of digital! >> Roger >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 13:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?I can just remember being shown a BBC valve radio mic in the early 60s - >>> perhaps kept at TV theatre? Used pretty massive carbon cell battery packs. >>> >>> >>> In article <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D at me.com>, >>> Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. >>> >>>> There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? >>> >>> >>> >>>> I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. >>> >>>> There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? >>> >>>> I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. >>> >>>> The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? >>> >>>> I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? >>> >>>> While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. >>> >>>> Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? >>> >>>> Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? >>> >>>> Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base stati >>> on radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. >>> >>>> The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. >>> >>>> PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? >>> >>>> Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? >>> >>>> Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. >>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>>> --Apple-Mail=_5893470D-22E1-4EEA-8E8C-FE8651868D5B >>>> Content-Type: multipart/related; >>>> type="text/html"; >>>> boundary="Apple-Mail=_57863F2C-DE32-4CBC-B60A-38594B47571E" >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From techtone at protonmail.com Tue Sep 1 14:26:10 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 19:26:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_MCR21_Project_Newsletter=C2=A0_-_August?= =?utf-8?q?_2020?= In-Reply-To: References: <5f4d395f.1c69fb81.2894f.17e6@mx.google.com> <3DD2A26C-300C-4423-A068-099F89670835@me.com> Message-ID: My son-in-law is Danish, and I thought us Irish could drink - well, when my daughter and he got married, the Danish contingent saw us off, no bother! So I can imagine what it was like on Hoy! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Monday, 31 August 2020 23:46, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > In Feb 1968 we filmed on Hoy ,6 months after the OB > > Jim Mc Taggart was shooting Orkney Stories , a Play for Today by George McKie Brown ,one of which was located in Ratwick Bay ,under the Old man. > A remote and rugged croft dug into the shingle beach, a roaring sea all the way to Newfoundland. > Our journey there each day in a beat up Doormobile was an adventure itself. > The beach was still carved up from the Marine landing craft and heavy equipment used to transport the OB. > It was so windy the props guys had to hold my feet down when I was booming with an MKH 805.. > We were holed up in Stromness for 3 days when a storm blew up, 2 Danish trawlers took shelter in the Northern Hotel ,our accommodation. > The first ships captain came in an ordered a round for all, Highland Park and Special Brew. > The drinking continued for 3 days, all the town turned up. > It was an amazing experience. > Roger > >> On 31 Aug 2020, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> In Feb 1982 the BBC did another live climbing broadcast, ice climbing on Ben Nevis. It?s another of those shows where there are a load of stories that can be told. >> >> Triax camera cable was used in those days and it meant that camera cables could be a few kilometres long, which eliminated the need to de-rig the CCUs. The scanner could stay parked in a sensible place with long cables run out to the working positions on the mountain. >> >> Having said there was no need to de-rig stuff, I was working on what most people would regard as a de-rig setup well above the snow line, with cable runs of 3-4km back to the scanner. Rigging the cables was done by helicopter. They coupled together long lengths of cable, waterproofed the joints, tested it to make sure it worked perfectly and rolled it onto massive drums which were fastened to the helicopter in such a way that they could unwind as it flew. In essence, they tied one end to the scanner and flew away, rolling out the cable as they went. >> >> This was all done at the base camp and the cables were run out a few days before we arrived. When I checked the multi cable, it had several faults. We needed most of it working, so had to identify where the problem was. By that time the weather had closed in and flying was unsafe, so we had to walk up to the location and carry anything we needed. It was a very strenuous trek, especially if carrying equipment. >> >> In order to minimise disruption to the carefully waterproofed cable, I thought it best to tackle it the logical way. Trudge through the snow to about the half way point, undo the cable and test it to see whether the problem was before or after that point. Undoing the multi connector was incredibly difficult and when I disconnected it, the cable sprung away from me, leaving a gap of around 30-40 cm between the two halves. >> >> It would appear that the cables had been run out from the base camp where the ambient temperature was maybe 10?C, but laid on the snow and ice where the temperature was no greater than -5?C. Being copper, the cable wanted to contract and when I undid the connection, it sprung apart to release the tension. >> >> There were no short lengths of cable available to bridge the gap and the only breakout leads ( flails ) available would be needed to fix the problem. The cable had to be reconnected, but in order to do that I had to walk to the next joint, disconnect it, walk back to where I originally was, pulling the cable back a little and then reconnecting and waterproofing at the first point before trudging back to the new break in the cable. This procedure had to be done at every joint, all the way back to our location until the fault was found. >> >> When we identified the section where the fault was, it was possible to use two breakout leads to re-jig which pairs go where so that enough working pairs became available. >> >> We had logistics support from some marines. They taught us how to use their short handled shovels as an improvised toboggan and much fun was had racing down powdery sections of the snow. Not to be outdone, we showed them how we traditionally use our tough PVC rigging bags as an improvised four man bob sleigh. Well when I say ?traditionally?, I mean we made it up as we went along and they were foolish enough to copy us. When you turn a rigging bag inside out, so that the webbing is inside and the smooth surface is on the outside, with four people in it, it?s capable of quite a fair turn of speed .... and it doesn?t have any brakes either, nor anything resembling an effective means of steering. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 31 Aug 2020, at 18:55, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> ? >>> Old Man of Hoy. >>> Fascinating! >>> I remember viewing the actual transmission, and my enduring image is of a very unhappy looking sound guy huddling under a dripping canvas shelter. >>> So far removed from the comfort of a warm studio! >>> My regret is that whether the ascent is of Hoy, or Everest, or K2, the programme always ends with triumph of the summit achieved. I would love to know how they got down! >>> Re: the Boat Race memories ? there?s good sequence in ?This is the BBC? explaining the coverage of the race, a bit scripted and therefore somewhat stilted, but it does show >>> the technical side of mounting this broadcast at the time (1959). >>> Pat >>> Sent from[Mail](https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986)for Windows 10 >>> >>> From:[Bernard Newnham via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk) >>> Sent:30 August 2020 11:00 >>> To:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject:[Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Project Newsletter - August 2020 >>> >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: MCR21 Project Newsletter - August 2020 >>> Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2020 09:11:18 +0000 >>> From: Nick[](mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk) >>> Reply-To: Nick[](mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk) >>> To: bernie833 at gmail.com >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> [Avast logo](https://www.avast.com/antivirus) >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> [www.avast.com](https://www.avast.com/antivirus) >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at mcr21.org.uk Tue Sep 1 15:13:09 2020 From: brian at mcr21.org.uk (Brian Summers) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 21:13:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> Message-ID: <013801d6809c$4ff3ce80$efdb6b80$@mcr21.org.uk> Re the EMX in the type 5s, one of my first jobs when I joined SCPD with Bob Smith (RIP) was to retrofit the KBX into a 19" rack The KBX was not keen on this as it was 22" wide!!! A lot of custom metalwork later and all ten scanners were done. There was a custom designed Gelnsound unit to convert control Ines to a form the KBX could understand. The KBX was a very clever system and was marketed by BT as the "Herald". We went on to install KBXs into the type 6 scanner and a Big version into the CMCCR. So far I have resisted acquiring a KBX. Radio Mics MCR21 did start out with 2 Eddystones but they would have been changed for the solid state BBC RC4/1 receivers. I do have a matching Tx type TM3/3/139 this is a solid state one, I don't have, so far, a valve radio mic TX in the museum collection. There is an awful lot of stuff yet to find and re-make for MCR21. Attached is a pic of the TM3/3 and an EDI sheet for it courtesy of Martins bbceng site. Be interesting to see if they get through the system. Regards Brian From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 01 September 2020 11:18 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base station radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19550 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DSC_5294.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 871852 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 10146.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 238340 bytes Desc: not available URL: From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 18:24:09 2020 From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 00:24:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <013801d6809c$4ff3ce80$efdb6b80$@mcr21.org.uk> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> <013801d6809c$4ff3ce80$efdb6b80$@mcr21.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello All Alan Taylor mentioned "I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery" I'm not sure they were BBC designed as I recall the Floor Managers used these: PYE *PF1 Pocketfone (1964)* [image: PF1 Pocketfone in optional carry case] The PF1 Pocketfone was a ground-breaking, low-power, two-unit UHF hand-held portable featuring the transmitter and[image: Pye PF1 in use by Lufthansa staff] receiver in separate cases. The design of the PF1 was driven by the Pye Telecom Managing Director John Brinkley, who had formerly worked at the British Home Office. This novel equipment pioneered the application of UHF frequencies for use by hand-held radio schemes in built-up areas and was quickly adopted by the Home Office for wide scale urban and suburban use by the British Police. This first order for the PF1 was for 10,000 pairs of units. I certainly remember seeing a number of the FMs at TC with them and some of the TMs. Cheers Brian On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 21:13, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote: > Re the EMX in the type 5s, one of my first jobs when I joined SCPD with > Bob Smith (RIP) was to retrofit the KBX into a 19? rack The KBX was not > keen on this as it was 22? wide!!! A lot of custom metalwork later and all > ten scanners were done. There was a custom designed Gelnsound unit to > convert control Ines to a form the KBX could understand. The KBX was a very > clever system and was marketed by BT as the ?Herald?. We went on to install > KBXs into the type 6 scanner and a Big version into the CMCCR. So far I > have resisted acquiring a KBX. > > > > Radio Mics MCR21 did start out with 2 Eddystones but they would have > been changed for the solid state BBC RC4/1 receivers. I do have a > matching Tx type TM3/3/139 this is a solid state one, I don?t have, so > far, a valve radio mic TX in the museum collection. There is an awful lot > of stuff yet to find and re-make for MCR21. > > > > Attached is a pic of the TM3/3 and an EDI sheet for it courtesy of > Martins bbceng site. Be interesting to see if they get through the > system. > > > > Regards > > Brian > > > > *From:* Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of *Alan > Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* 01 September 2020 11:18 > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* [Tech1] Radio microphones > > > > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme > which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were > available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards > to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps > on this group what they can remember. > > > > There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, > in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC > Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for > many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers > used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? > > > > [image: cid:image001.jpg at 01D6809E.2AE5A710] > > > > I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a > long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross > section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at > either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise > that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries > that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 > being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't > recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I > used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around > for a decade or more by then. > > > > There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery > with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories > or pictures of them? > > > > I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning > radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so > far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is > affected by scenery. > > > > The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two > Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced > with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to > colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? > > > > I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns > cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? > > > > While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information > would be useful. > > > > Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those > shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any > personal recollections? > > > > Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated > scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, > neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or > was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? > > > > Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback > transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he > 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage > into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping > that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or > so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished > the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also > remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate > units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the > receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units > fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( > about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially > selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. > There were two major problems. One was that the base station radiated so > much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, > it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't > do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to > the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built > a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it > was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while > allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they > realised the important difference between connecting the components in > series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts > the other way to get the intended function. > > > > The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into > his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular > problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly > sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently > Motorolas. > > > > PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing > generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to > alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and > including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North > 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC > designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability > and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in > the blanks in my memory? > > > > Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( > Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any > pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen > mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor > gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I > don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote > housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without > trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or > recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I > remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering > the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy > thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it > used? > > > > Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. > > > > Alan Taylor > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 19550 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Sep 2 00:14:22 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 06:14:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02ED7D1A-F779-4AD8-ACBF-43A7E5708958@me.com> Thanks for the info about the Pye PF1 Pocketphone. While it shares some characteristics with the BBC devices I was describing, it?s definitely a different beast. I don?t recall using Pocketphones, but they could have been used in OBs before I joined. Maybe you might jog some memories there. However they do look sort of familiar to me, maybe the sort of thing I might have spotted lying around in tech stores or a maintenance room, but never actually got to use myself? There are some pictures of the Pye ones here, although the site won?t be around indefinitely. https://www.qsl.net/gm8aob/pages_2/pf1d.htm#PYE_PF1_POCKETPHONES%C2%A0_AND_CHARGER The PF1 used a rechargeable battery, while the BBC ones definitely used a primary 9V PP4 battery . The aerial was different too. The BBC ones had a chrome telescopic aerial which was prone to being damaged. John Nottage has reminded me of this happening on the location recording of Jude the Obscure, which we both worked on in 1970. I?m also fairly sure that the BBC ones used a black metal case while the Pye ones had a blue moulded plastic housing. I would reckon that the BBC Walkie-Talkies were introduced around 1970 because I clearly remember Leigh Osborne having a lively discussion In the KA canteen with one of the people developing it ( lively discussion might be a euphemism ), so I assume that it was probably a fairly new project at that time. Alan Taylor > On 2 Sep 2020, at 00:24, Brian Curtis wrote: > > ? > Hello All > > Alan Taylor mentioned "I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery" > > I'm not sure they were BBC designed as I recall the Floor Managers used these: PYE PF1 Pocketfone (1964) > > The PF1 Pocketfone was a ground-breaking, low-power, two-unit UHF hand-held portable featuring the transmitter and receiver in separate cases. > > The design of the PF1 was driven by the Pye Telecom Managing Director John Brinkley, who had formerly worked at the British Home Office. This novel equipment pioneered the application of UHF frequencies for use by hand-held radio schemes in built-up areas and was quickly adopted by the Home Office for wide scale urban and suburban use by the British Police. This first order for the PF1 was for 10,000 pairs of units. > > > I certainly remember seeing a number of the FMs at TC with them and some of the TMs. > > Cheers > > Brian > >> On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 21:13, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote: >> Re the EMX in the type 5s, one of my first jobs when I joined SCPD with Bob Smith (RIP) was to retrofit the KBX into a 19? rack The KBX was not keen on this as it was 22? wide!!! A lot of custom metalwork later and all ten scanners were done. There was a custom designed Gelnsound unit to convert control Ines to a form the KBX could understand. The KBX was a very clever system and was marketed by BT as the ?Herald?. We went on to install KBXs into the type 6 scanner and a Big version into the CMCCR. So far I have resisted acquiring a KBX. >> >> >> >> Radio Mics MCR21 did start out with 2 Eddystones but they would have been changed for the solid state BBC RC4/1 receivers. I do have a matching Tx type TM3/3/139 this is a solid state one, I don?t have, so far, a valve radio mic TX in the museum collection. There is an awful lot of stuff yet to find and re-make for MCR21. >> >> >> >> Attached is a pic of the TM3/3 and an EDI sheet for it courtesy of Martins bbceng site. Be interesting to see if they get through the system. >> >> >> >> Regards >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: 01 September 2020 11:18 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones >> >> >> >> All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. >> >> >> >> There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. >> >> >> >> There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? >> >> >> >> I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. >> >> >> >> The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? >> >> >> >> I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? >> >> >> >> While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. >> >> >> >> Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? >> >> >> >> Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? >> >> >> >> Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base station radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. >> >> >> >> The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. >> >> >> >> PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? >> >> >> >> Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? >> >> >> >> Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. >> >> >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Sep 2 01:56:39 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 07:56:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <9615FCA2-0AC8-4AB2-9A33-00D0D984985F@mac.com> References: <58a929488fdavesound@btinternet.com> <9615FCA2-0AC8-4AB2-9A33-00D0D984985F@mac.com> Message-ID: I don't think there was ever an aerodrome at Polperro - can't imagine where they would have put it! Chris Woolf On 01/09/2020 20:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > I used TM3?s on Bristol?s MCR28 and all too often they gave trouble, but we did a couple of events one year where they worked surprisingly well during the Bristol OB Unit?s annual summer fortnight in Cornwall or Devon. The first event involved kayaking with the now disgraced John Earle, at an Outward Bound school somewhere near Paignton. I?m pretty sure we were using Electrovoice BK6 lanyards snd we wrapped the lot in polythene bags. Everything behaved impeccably, but we did baulk at the prospect of letting John do a demo of how to capsize and recover with the kit on, so we arranged a pause whilst we removed it, then gave it back to him after he?d surfaced, covering the potential gap in dialogue by getting him to deliver a strained description of what he was about to do and playing it in as he performed the manoeuvre. > > The second event on that trip was John again, with others, gliding from Polperro aerodrome, I think it was. Despite doing various aerobatics, the TM3?s worked perfectly over what seemed like incredible distances ~ the receivers obviously liked the transmitters being airborne with perfect line of sight throughout. Our only problem was a shortage of kit ~ I think we had three receivers in the scanner, but it might only have been two, meaning that we had to swap transmitters between people and of course, the guy who?d just been aloft was at one end of the runway, whilst the guy about to take off was at the other and I was the sole SA ~ never has a scanner push bike been more necessary! I pleaded with the EMs to make the case for a bike on several occasions, but they never took me seriously, and nor did they when I argued that the camera van should carry a portaloo and toilet tent ~ blokes were usually OK given the odd bush, but on that aerodrome there were none and the poor PA just had to cross her legs! > > Mike G > >> On 1 Sep 2020, at 17:41, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> At Kendal Avenue, our experience was that the BBC hip-flask radio mics were often unreliable when issued via tech stores and used by the crews. Then Colin White decided to appoint Eric Spanier as the radio mic specialist. I don't think that Eric would have objected to being described as an odd ball character, but he really came into his own with the radio mics, badgering the presenters to treat the equipment with respect, looking after the gear carefully and making sure that the production teams had realistic expectations of what could be expected. That's not to say that they never went wrong, but the reliability improved tremendously. After Eric's retirement, Richard Kemp took over the same role. Richard and Eric's expertise was put to the test on shows like live climbing coverage, or golf, where extreme radio ranges were expected under less than ideal conditions and often in atrocious weather. Their secret weapon was often to use a booster which took the radio mic transmitter and massively increased the power. You might well have seen people wearing what appears to be rucksacks with a tall aerial, walking alongside the players on golf courses. >> >> When Microns came along, most of us discovered the hard way that they would not work reliably with more than a few channels in use simultaneously. One year I was working on the Royal Variety show and the theatre sound people had a rack of maybe 18 Microns working together perfectly. The gear was provided by Autograph Sound. Shortly after that I was promoted to Sound Supervisor and when I mixed a live music show where we needed a dozen reliable radio mics, I got permission to book Autograph Sound to provide and operate them. They did a great job and we didn't have any problems at all. >> >> Modern radio mics are great, but one type of show which I regularly did was very stressful with regards to radio mics. I used to cover a lot of big movie premiers from Leicester Square. The technical requirements weren't that extensive, just a few radio mics, cabled stand-by mics, effects mics and VT. The problem was that on an event as big as a Bond premiere, maybe a hundred single-camera crews would turn up near the last minute and most of them brought a radio mic or two. You could almost guarantee that while you were doing the live coverage some foreign crew would illicitly pop up on your properly licensed radio mic frequency. Getting through the crowds to locate the pirate transmitter was almost impossible. The presenters often worked over a large area and arranging cabled standby mics was tricky. Occasionally the production team tried to insist that standby radio mics weren't needed because "radio mics never go wrong these days". We tried to get the events organisers to make ENG crews declare what radio mics and frequencies they would be using as part of getting permission to be there, but non-technical events people asking technical questions to crews who aren't very technical themselves was never going to work out well. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> On 1 Sep 2020, at 1 Sep . 16:36, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> My TFS memories from 67 onwards was BBC design dept aluminium hip flask,one pint size and a long wire antennae >>> Not very reliable. >>> Audio Ltd next ,FM in a teak box with whip Rx antenna and short quarter wave wire sender,again unreliable. >>> Then in 1970 Micron from Audio Engineering,hi tech and reliable with Sony ecm 50. >>> Really good SQ and easily tweaked for line use and boom wireless. >>> You could use 3 together if you were lucky. >>> Thence diversity and perhaps 6 if the wind was southerly. >>> Now a hundred channels of digital! >>> Roger >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 1 Sep 2020, at 13:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?I can just remember being shown a BBC valve radio mic in the early 60s - >>>> perhaps kept at TV theatre? Used pretty massive carbon cell battery packs. >>>> >>>> >>>> In article <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D at me.com>, >>>> Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of programme which only became practical to cover live once radio microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. >>>>> There is very little information about early radio mics on the internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the two objects in the foreground, any ideas? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a decade or more by then. >>>>> There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any info, memories or pictures of them? >>>>> I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals within studios and how it is affected by scenery. >>>>> The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of transmitters were used originally? >>>>> I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them? >>>>> While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more information would be useful. >>>>> Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does anybody have any personal recollections? >>>>> Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? Any memories of that series? >>>>> Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base stati >>>> on radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when they realised the important difference between connecting the components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. >>>> >>>>> The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas. >>>>> PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory? >>>>> Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. Where else was it used? >>>>> Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome. >>>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>>> --Apple-Mail=_5893470D-22E1-4EEA-8E8C-FE8651868D5B >>>>> Content-Type: multipart/related; >>>>> type="text/html"; >>>>> boundary="Apple-Mail=_57863F2C-DE32-4CBC-B60A-38594B47571E" >>>> -- >>>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Sep 2 02:06:54 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:06:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> <013801d6809c$4ff3ce80$efdb6b80$@mcr21.org.uk> Message-ID: <27466651-9e50-68b1-b946-1690f3272c44@imixmics.co.uk> I think I recognise the Pye Pocketfone, but only from later. Our radio TB units were sort of black leatherette rectangular tubes with shiny metal ends. You pulled off the bottom end to get at the batteries - one in the receiver, two in the transmitter. One of the units' delights was that those battery covers would fall off, allowing the batteries to fall out of the bottom! There was a lot of problems with battery life. The end connectors on the batteries were only crimped, so someone (Leigh?) went through the stocks in stores to find most of the new batteries were nearly useless. Someone then had the tedious task of soldering every battery terminal to improve the connection! Oh! the good old days!! John On 02/09/2020 00:24, Brian Curtis via Tech1 wrote: > Hello All > > Alan Taylor mentioned "I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback > system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the > transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a > gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt.? Power > came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery" > > I'm not sure they were BBC designed as I recall the Floor Managers used > these: PYE *PF1 Pocketfone (1964)* > ** > * > * > PF1 Pocketfone in optional carry case > The > PF1 Pocketfone was a? ground-breaking, low-power,? two-unit UHF > hand-held portable featuring the transmitter andPye PF1 in use by > Lufthansa staff?receiver in separate cases. > > The design of the PF1 was driven by the Pye Telecom Managing Director > John Brinkley, who had formerly worked at the British Home Office.? This > novel equipment pioneered the application of UHF frequencies for use by > hand-held radio schemes in built-up areas and was quickly adopted by the > Home Office for wide scale urban and suburban use by the British > Police.? This first order for the PF1 was for 10,000 pairs of units. > > > I certainly remember seeing a number of the FMs at TC with them and some > of the TMs. > > Cheers > > Brian > > On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 21:13, Brian Summers via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Re the EMX in the type 5s, one of my first jobs when I joined SCPD > with Bob Smith (RIP) ?was to retrofit the KBX into a 19? rack The > KBX was not keen on this as it was 22? wide!!! A lot of custom > metalwork later and all ten scanners were done.? There was a custom > designed Gelnsound unit to convert control Ines to a form the KBX > could understand. The KBX was a very clever system and was marketed > by BT as the ?Herald?. We went on to install KBXs into the type 6 > scanner and a Big version into the CMCCR. ??So far I have resisted > acquiring a KBX.____ > > __ __ > > Radio Mics?? MCR21 did start out with 2 Eddystones but they would > ?have been changed for the solid state BBC ?RC4/1 receivers.? I do > have a matching Tx type TM3/3/139? this is a solid state one, I > don?t have, so far, a valve radio mic TX in the museum collection. > There is an awful lot of stuff yet to find and re-make for MCR21. ____ > > __ __ > > Attached is a pic of the TM3/3? and an EDI sheet for it courtesy of > Martins bbceng site.? Be interesting to see if they get through ?the > system. ____ > > __ __ > > Regards____ > > Brian____ > > __ __ > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk > ] *On Behalf Of *Alan Taylor > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 01 September 2020 11:18 > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* [Tech1] Radio microphones____ > > __ __ > > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of > programme which only became practical to cover live once radio > microphones were available.? The research I've been doing has hit > the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an > opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can > remember.____ > > __ __ > > There is very little information about early radio mics on the > internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly > recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were > operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. > Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the > two objects in the foreground, any ideas?____ > > __ __ > > cid:image001.jpg at 01D6809E.2AE5A710____ > > __ __ > > I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask > with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of > triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, > with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium > batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he > is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John > also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on > equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that > number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA > in the 1970s.? The gear looked like it might have been around for a > decade or more by then.____ > > __ __ > > There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular > battery with tiny plug and socket connectors.? Does anybody have any > info, memories or pictures of them?____ > > __ __ > > I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes > concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank.? The only research > note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals > within studios and how it is affected by scenery.____ > > __ __ > > The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated > two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had > been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after > it's conversion to colour.? Does anybody know what type of > transmitters were used originally?____ > > __ __ > > I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before > Microns cornered the market.? Does anybody remember them?____ > > __ __ > > While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more > information would be useful.____ > > __ __ > > Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on > those shows?? I know about some of the infamous incidents.? Does > anybody have any personal recollections?____ > > __ __ > > Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that > dedicated scanner?? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use > something like a cabled, neck worn ?AKG D109 ?? Did they have a > radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? > Any memories of that series?____ > > __ __ > > Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback > transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he > 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the > wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault > label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end > up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover > that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with > valves again and lovingly repaired it.? I also remember the BBC > designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the > floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They > walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened > either side of their belt.? Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( > about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), > specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any > normal shop. There were two major problems.? One was that the base > station radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a > scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC > television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with > the locals.? Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums > concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to > fit inline with ?the aerial lead.? They tried it and it was > discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while > allowing all the spurious radiation through.? That's the day when > they realised the important difference between connecting the > components in series or parallel.? Fortunately it was only necessary > to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. ____ > > __ __ > > The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it > blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his > headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I > don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios > soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas.____ > > __ __ > > PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing > generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the > handle to alert the other end.? From memory, I think that all trucks > up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will > check with North 3.? However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 > scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned > out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an > off the shelf system.? Can anybody fill in the blanks in my memory?____ > > __ __ > > Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 > microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ).? Does > anybody have any pictures of one in use?? The one metre long > microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on > top of early colour cameras.? The Labor gun mic had a distinctive > teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever > had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings.? These > microphones have almost completely vanished without trace.? On a > similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of > the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme?? I remember > operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering > the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s.? It was the most > unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. > Where else was it used?____ > > __ __ > > Any contributions on associated topics would also be most welcome.____ > > __ __ > > Alan Taylor____ > > __ __ > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Wed Sep 2 02:21:08 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:21:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <5f4e309f.1c69fb81.5965d.4e28@mx.google.com> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> <5f4e28a2.1c69fb81.40351.6ea4SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f4e309f.1c69fb81.5965d.4e28@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The bus bars were really lethal. The lighting cables, terminating in a little U shaped clamp with a locking screw, were locked on to the bus bars. At Wembley Arena, during a big tennis match, all the lights on one side of the arena went out. Then sparks started to fall from the roof on to the audience below. Once the fire had been extinguished (unfortunately failing to successfully burn the place down) it was found one of these clamps had shaken loose, causing a short circuit & subsequent fire. John On 01/09/2020 12:29, patheigham wrote: > > Think the DC plug was Kliegle ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a > block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from > investigative fingers by a rubber flap. > > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *jpn via Tech1 > *Sent: *01 September 2020 11:55 > *To: *Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Radio microphones > > I'm sure the items at front of the photo are lighting connectors: > Klegal/cleagle?? or something like that used by Lee Lighting. > > I found a photo of the 7ft Electrovoice on line. I'll post it from my > desktop. > > The black block batteries were surely from the next generation of radio > mics after the TM3s: rather more reliable than the awful triangular ones. > > I remember the twin unit radio talkback: lots of the batteries were > rubbish, so we got through dozens. I remember hanging? set on the > scanner door, then someone closed the door! The telescopic aerial ended > up a lovely kinked shape. We used them on Jude the Obscure in Oxford and > blotted out the local tv station. > > John > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > Date: 01/09/2020 11:18 (GMT+00:00) > > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > > Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones > > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of > programme which only became practical to cover live once radio > microphones were available. ?The research I've been doing has hit the > buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an opportune > moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can remember. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net Wed Sep 2 05:03:19 2020 From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 11:03:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: <27466651-9e50-68b1-b946-1690f3272c44@imixmics.co.uk> References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> <013801d6809c$4ff3ce80$efdb6b80$@mcr21.org.uk> <27466651-9e50-68b1-b946-1690f3272c44@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <001201d68110$49968770$dcc39650$@talktalk.net> I still remember the separate talkback receiver and transmitter. I was doing an OB on a farm in Yorkshire where the farmer had shire horses for ploughing and no tractors or other modern devices. I found that if I stood so that the aerials running down the sides of my legs were in line with the scanner, I lost talkback. It could have been the Yagi effect where the passive transmit aerial screened the receiver aerial and cut me off. I believe that the system was supplied by a firm that had previously installed bedside radios and alarms in modest hotels. Thankfully the Storno appeared and we had a reliable talkback and lazy kit at last. I can also recall that the BBC had to buy British. When Philips produced the PC60 it was fortunate that Philips owned a 'British' company called Peto Scott. All our cameras were 'rebadged' Peto Scott and no-one could criticise purchasing policy. Alex Thomas. -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 02 September 2020 08:07 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Radio microphones I think I recognise the Pye Pocketfone, but only from later. Our radio TB units were sort of black leatherette rectangular tubes with shiny metal ends. You pulled off the bottom end to get at the batteries - one in the receiver, two in the transmitter. One of the units' delights was that those battery covers would fall off, allowing the batteries to fall out of the bottom! There was a lot of problems with battery life. The end connectors on the batteries were only crimped, so someone (Leigh?) went through the stocks in stores to find most of the new batteries were nearly useless. Someone then had the tedious task of soldering every battery terminal to improve the connection! Oh! the good old days!! John On 02/09/2020 00:24, Brian Curtis via Tech1 wrote: > Hello All > > Alan Taylor mentioned "I also remember the BBC designed radio talkback > system which had two separate units for the floor manager. One was the > transmitter, the other the receiver. They walked about looking like a > gunslinger with these units fastened either side of their belt. Power > came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery" > > I'm not sure they were BBC designed as I recall the Floor Managers > used > these: PYE *PF1 Pocketfone (1964)* > ** > * > * > PF1 Pocketfone in optional carry case > -crop-1024p.jpg>The > PF1 Pocketfone was a ground-breaking, low-power, two-unit UHF > hand-held portable featuring the transmitter andPye PF1 in use by > Lufthansa staff receiver in separate cases. > > The design of the PF1 was driven by the Pye Telecom Managing Director > John Brinkley, who had formerly worked at the British Home Office. > This novel equipment pioneered the application of UHF frequencies for > use by hand-held radio schemes in built-up areas and was quickly > adopted by the Home Office for wide scale urban and suburban use by > the British Police. This first order for the PF1 was for 10,000 pairs of units. > > > I certainly remember seeing a number of the FMs at TC with them and > some of the TMs. > > Cheers > > Brian > > On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 at 21:13, Brian Summers via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Re the EMX in the type 5s, one of my first jobs when I joined SCPD > with Bob Smith (RIP) was to retrofit the KBX into a 19 rack The > KBX was not keen on this as it was 22 wide!!! A lot of custom > metalwork later and all ten scanners were done. There was a custom > designed Gelnsound unit to convert control Ines to a form the KBX > could understand. The KBX was a very clever system and was marketed > by BT as the Herald . We went on to install KBXs into the type 6 > scanner and a Big version into the CMCCR. So far I have resisted > acquiring a KBX.____ > > __ __ > > Radio Mics MCR21 did start out with 2 Eddystones but they would > have been changed for the solid state BBC RC4/1 receivers. I do > have a matching Tx type TM3/3/139 this is a solid state one, I > don t have, so far, a valve radio mic TX in the museum collection. > There is an awful lot of stuff yet to find and re-make for MCR21. > ____ > > __ __ > > Attached is a pic of the TM3/3 and an EDI sheet for it courtesy of > Martins bbceng site. Be interesting to see if they get through the > system. ____ > > __ __ > > Regards____ > > Brian____ > > __ __ > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk > ] *On Behalf Of *Alan Taylor > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 01 September 2020 11:18 > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* [Tech1] Radio microphones____ > > __ __ > > All this talk of mountaineering reminds me that it was a type of > programme which only became practical to cover live once radio > microphones were available. The research I've been doing has hit > the buffers with regards to radio microphones, so it seems like an > opportune moment to ask the chaps on this group what they can > remember.____ > > __ __ > > There is very little information about early radio mics on the > internet, in trade journals or books about broadcasting. I clearly > recall the BBC Band I radio mics which at Kendal Avenue were > operated by Eric Spanier for many years and then by Richard Kemp. > Here's a picture of the receivers used, but I don't recognise the > two objects in the foreground, any ideas?____ > > __ __ > > cid:image001.jpg at 01D6809E.2AE5A710____ > > __ __ > > I recall the 1970's transmitters as looking rather like a hip flask > with a long wire aerial, powered by a custom built battery of > triangular cross section, a black resin casing , maybe 10 cm long, > with brass terminals at either end. John Howell has mentioned Kalium > batteries. I don't recognise that term, but it's very likely that he > is referring to the same batteries that I'm thinking about. John > also refers to a radio mic kit known as TM3 being mentioned on > equipment booking sheets in the 1960s. Again I don't recognise that > number, but it could well be the same sort of gear that I used at KA > in the 1970s. The gear looked like it might have been around for a > decade or more by then.____ > > __ __ > > There was a later generation of BBC radio mic using a rectangular > battery with tiny plug and socket connectors. Does anybody have any > info, memories or pictures of them?____ > > __ __ > > I've tried to find any BBC manuals for them or research notes > concerning radio mics, but have drawn a blank. The only research > note I've found so far has concerned propagation of radio signals > within studios and how it is affected by scenery.____ > > __ __ > > The LO21 project have mentioned that LO21 originally incorporated > two Eddystone radio receivers, but I'm pretty sure that they had > been replaced with BBC receivers by the time I worked on it after > it's conversion to colour. Does anybody know what type of > transmitters were used originally?____ > > __ __ > > I also have vague recollections of using Vega radio mics before > Microns cornered the market. Does anybody remember them?____ > > __ __ > > While I'm asking, there are a few other topics where more > information would be useful.____ > > __ __ > > Saturday Night Live - is there anybody still around who worked on > those shows? I know about some of the infamous incidents. Does > anybody have any personal recollections?____ > > __ __ > > Bucknell's House - What sound equipment was installed in that > dedicated scanner? Was Barry on a radio mic, or did he use > something like a cabled, neck worn AKG D109 ? Did they have a > radio talkback system for the FM, or was it done on long-lead cans? > Any memories of that series?____ > > __ __ > > Radio talkback - I remember a BBC designed valve radio talkback > transmitter. John Livingstone was so infuriated with it that he > 'accidentally' dropped it down some concrete stairs, swept up the > wreckage into a bag and sent it to sound test room with a fault > label on it hoping that it would be regarded as a write-off and end > up in a skip. A month or so later, he was exasperated to discover > that one of the engineers relished the opportunity to work with > valves again and lovingly repaired it. I also remember the BBC > designed radio talkback system which had two separate units for the > floor manager. One was the transmitter, the other the receiver. They > walked about looking like a gunslinger with these units fastened > either side of their belt. Power came from a 9 Volt PP4 battery ( > about the size of a 'C' cell with a snap on stud at either end ), > specially selected so that you stood no chance of finding one in any > normal shop. There were two major problems. One was that the base > station radiated so much spurious radiation on Band I that when a > scanner set up in a street, it blotted out reception of 405 line BBC > television signals, which didn't do a lot to make us popular. with > the locals. Designs Department rose to the occasion, did their sums > concerning inductors and capacitors and built a passive filter to > fit inline with the aerial lead. They tried it and it was > discovered that it completely cancelled out the wanted signal, while > allowing all the spurious radiation through. That's the day when > they realised the important difference between connecting the > components in series or parallel. Fortunately it was only necessary > to rewire the parts the other way to get the intended function. > ____ > > __ __ > > The second major problem was that when the FM transmitted, it > blasted into his receiver making a deafening noise in his > headphones. That particular problem was trickier to resolve and I > don't think it ever got properly sorted. Fortunately Storno radios > soon replaced them and subsequently Motorolas.____ > > __ __ > > PBX & EMX systems - Early scanners used telephones with ringing > generators, you could use ex-army field telephones and wind the > handle to alert the other end. From memory, I think that all trucks > up to and including the type II scanners used that system, but will > check with North 3. However I'm pretty sure that the type 5 > scanners originally had a BBC designed telephone system which turned > out to be something of a liability and was scrapped in favour of an > off the shelf system. Can anybody fill in the blanks in my > memory?____ > > __ __ > > Labor gun mics - They were widely used before Sennheiser 816 > microphones ( Labor was part of the Sennhesier group anyway ). Does > anybody have any pictures of one in use? The one metre long > microphone was often to be seen mounted on a 'U' shaped cradle on > top of early colour cameras. The Labor gun mic had a distinctive > teardrop shaped thicker part at the back and I don't think they ever > had an external windshield similar to Rycote housings. These > microphones have almost completely vanished without trace. On a > similar subject, does anybody have any pictures or recollections of > the Electrovoice 7 foot gun mic in use on a programme? I remember > operating one on the centre line of the basketball court, covering > the Harlem Globe Trotters in the early 1970s. It was the most > unwieldy thing imaginable for covering such a fast moving event. > Where else was it used?____ > > __ __ > > Any contributions on associated topics would also be most > welcome.____ > > __ __ > > Alan Taylor____ > > __ __ > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Wed Sep 2 05:24:56 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:24:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kliegl - no E (which is one of their more worrying features!). Of American origin, hence designed for 110 Volts DC, though there are vintage adverts around, claiming 110-230V. I certainly remember doing commercials and pop videos on locations where there were Kliegls trailing back to the genny in the mud. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> On 01/09/2020 12:29, patheigham wrote: >> >> Think the DC plug was Kliegle ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from investigative fingers by a rubber flap. >> Pat From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 2 06:26:34 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:26:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: <370282BB-69EE-4DE3-9155-4973B870499D@me.com> <5f4e28a2.1c69fb81.40351.6ea4SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f4e309f.1c69fb81.5965d.4e28@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5f4f816a.1c69fb81.5a1ab.8673@mx.google.com> Another story involving Kliegl boxes. Scenario: Shepperton Studios ?H? stage which had a tank for aquatic scenes. A beach set with a quicksand section, consisting of a small ?tank? surface dressed to match the beach bit. Girl runs away from a dinosaur (!) and falls into quicksand. She was supposed to take one step to half-way in, then a further step and gradually sink under. Take one OK, but for a safety take 2, she missed the halfway step and hit the floor of the tank which was only made of plywood, which she went straight through, releasing gallons of water, sand and vermiculite all over the studio floor, and swamping the Kliegl boxes, with much flashing and sparking. As we exited the stage, I witnessed an argument between the construction gaffer and the special effects guy, the former was vociferously complaining: ?You didn?t tell me you were going to fill it with water!? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage Sent: 02 September 2020 08:21 To: patheigham; Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Radio microphones The bus bars were really lethal. The lighting cables, terminating in a little U shaped clamp with a locking screw, were locked on to the bus bars. At Wembley Arena, during a big tennis match, all the lights on one side of the arena went out. Then sparks started to fall from the roof on to the audience below. Once the fire had been extinguished (unfortunately failing to successfully burn the place down) it was found one of these clamps had shaken loose, causing a short circuit & subsequent fire. John On 01/09/2020 12:29, patheigham wrote: > > Think the DC plug was Kliegl ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a > block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from > investigative fingers by a rubber flap. > > > Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Sep 2 08:14:54 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 14:14:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Before Keigl connectors, at least one lighting contractor used to use single core cables with connectors made from brass, gunmetal or something similar. As onlookers, we felt that it was more like the cavalier standards seen with fairground electrics. We were shooting a night shoot for a series called ?Baker?s Dozen? and some lighting cables needed to be extended. The sparks had run out of the correctly colour coded cables, so as a quick fix, one of them decided to use whatever lengths of cable came to hand. Rather predictably he ended up not knowing his live from his neutral and when he connected two cables together there was an almighty flash and a bang as about half a metre of thick copper cable vaporised along with the metal connectors. The electrician was covered with a generous spattering of molten metal and was quite shaken, but appeared to be completely unharmed. It did make a mess of his gloves, but would have made a much bigger mess of his hands if he hadn?t been wearing them. Alan Taylor > On 2 Sep 2020, at 11:25, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Kliegl - no E (which is one of their more worrying features!). Of American origin, hence designed for 110 Volts DC, though there are vintage adverts around, claiming 110-230V. > I certainly remember doing commercials and pop videos on locations where there were Kliegls trailing back to the genny in the mud. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>>> On 01/09/2020 12:29, patheigham wrote: >>> >>> Think the DC plug was Kliegle ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from investigative fingers by a rubber flap. >>> Pat > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Wed Sep 2 08:52:40 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 13:52:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones Message-ID: ?Mind you, not even modern connectors are necessarily safe in the hands of the ignorati: Some here (not ignorati!) will remember how one hot summer at Wimbledon, our (not BBC) truck and studio aircon was so hopelessly overworked that the total power consumption was well above what was expected (and I daresay never calculated). Our lovely, but scarily over-zealous electrician noticed that his huge pile of 32Amp plastic Ceeform connectors, all split off from just one incoming feed, were literally melting under the load. His solution, you might think would be to run a second incoming cable to the supply and halve the load on the one and only. But no, he kept himself busy scrounging bags of ice cubes from hospitality. Lots of bags of ice cubes. A technique he kept going for the whole Wimbledon fortnight. Hot wet connectors of any type are not a good idea! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 2 Sep 2020, at 12:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Another story involving Kliegl boxes. Scenario: Shepperton Studios ?H? stage which had a tank for aquatic scenes. A beach set with a quicksand section, consisting of a small ?tank? surface dressed to match the beach bit. Girl runs away from a dinosaur (!) and falls into quicksand. She was supposed to take one step to half-way in, then a further step and gradually sink under. Take one OK, but for a safety take 2, she missed the halfway step and hit the floor of the tank which was only made of plywood, which she went straight through, releasing gallons of water, sand and vermiculite all over the studio floor, and swamping the Kliegl boxes, with much flashing and sparking. As we exited the stage, I witnessed an argument between the construction gaffer and the special effects guy, the former was vociferously complaining: ?You didn?t tell me you were going to fill it with water!? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage Sent: 02 September 2020 08:21 To: patheigham; Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Radio microphones The bus bars were really lethal. The lighting cables, terminating in a little U shaped clamp with a locking screw, were locked on to the bus bars. At Wembley Arena, during a big tennis match, all the lights on one side of the arena went out. Then sparks started to fall from the roof on to the audience below. Once the fire had been extinguished (unfortunately failing to successfully burn the place down) it was found one of these clamps had shaken loose, causing a short circuit & subsequent fire. John On 01/09/2020 12:29, patheigham wrote: > > Think the DC plug was Kliegl ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a > block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from > investigative fingers by a rubber flap. > > > Pat ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Sep 2 10:46:59 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 16:46:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Radio microphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F92A63C-A702-4201-AE5C-C5F873FB99B2@btinternet.com> Whilst shooting in Vietnam on a nighter the local sparks were using 2 ex USAF Radar generators to drive a substantial squad of Brutes to light a village and its paddy fields.They dropped the connectors ,ancient kliegals, nonchalantly into the waterlogged paddy. No body died.. Sent from my iPhone > On 2 Sep 2020, at 14:53, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?Mind you, not even modern connectors are necessarily safe in the hands of the ignorati: > Some here (not ignorati!) will remember how one hot summer at Wimbledon, our (not BBC) truck and studio aircon was so hopelessly overworked that the total power consumption was well above what was expected (and I daresay never calculated). Our lovely, but scarily over-zealous electrician noticed that his huge pile of 32Amp plastic Ceeform connectors, all split off from just one incoming feed, were literally melting under the load. His solution, you might think would be to run a second incoming cable to the supply and halve the load on the one and only. But no, he kept himself busy scrounging bags of ice cubes from hospitality. Lots of bags of ice cubes. A technique he kept going for the whole Wimbledon fortnight. > Hot wet connectors of any type are not a good idea! > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 2 Sep 2020, at 12:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Another story involving Kliegl boxes. >> Scenario: Shepperton Studios ?H? stage which had a tank for aquatic scenes. >> A beach set with a quicksand section, consisting of a small ?tank? surface dressed to match the beach bit. Girl runs away from a dinosaur (!) and falls into quicksand. She was supposed to take one step to half-way in, then a further step and gradually sink under. Take one OK, but for a safety take 2, she missed the halfway step and hit the floor of the tank which was only made of plywood, which she went straight through, releasing gallons of water, sand and vermiculite all over the studio floor, and swamping the Kliegl boxes, with much flashing and sparking. >> As we exited the stage, I witnessed an argument between the construction gaffer and the special effects guy, the former was vociferously complaining: ?You didn?t tell me you were going to fill it with water!? >> >> Best >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: John Nottage >> Sent: 02 September 2020 08:21 >> To: patheigham; Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Radio microphones >> >> The bus bars were really lethal. The lighting cables, terminating in a >> little U shaped clamp with a locking screw, were locked on to the bus >> bars. At Wembley Arena, during a big tennis match, all the lights on one >> side of the arena went out. Then sparks started to fall from the roof on >> to the audience below. Once the fire had been extinguished >> (unfortunately failing to successfully burn the place down) it was found >> one of these clamps had shaken loose, causing a short circuit & >> subsequent fire. >> >> John >> >> On 01/09/2020 12:29, patheigham wrote: >> >> > >> > Think the DC plug was Kliegl ? highly dangerous as they clipped into a >> > block containing vertical bus bars, only lightly protected from >> > investigative fingers by a rubber flap. >> > >> > >> > Pat >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Sep 2 14:57:46 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 19:57:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Diaries In-Reply-To: <30151F7317494BA1828CA3E9FBC7EDDE@0023242e4e14> References: <00a201d6652f$f08e3c50$d1aab4f0$@gmail.com> <30151F7317494BA1828CA3E9FBC7EDDE@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Hi David, I'm sorry it's taken so long to reply, but eventually a really wet day here has prompted another foray into the loft to retrieve more diaries. So I'll fill in what I was doing during the dates you mention, from what little I have in the diaries. Unlike Geoff Fletcher, I only note studio, times and programme, although the days off in between are full of useful information as to where I went and what I did, much of which I'd totally forgotten. Sat 24 Feb ? Fri 02 Mar 1973 I was at Evesham on my STO Course From thence on my return I was on the camera pool, so don't have crew details Being on the camera pool meant there were a lot of standby days, which I haven't included Sat 01 ? Fri 07 Sep 1973 01 & 02. Pres B, 1200 - 2400 5. TC7 Jackanory, Playschool 0930 - 2215 TR 1445 & 2015 Sat 22 ? Fri 28 Sep 1973 22. E. Grandstand. 0900 - 1755. TX 1230 & 1735 23. TC4. Rig play. 1100 - 1700 26. E Nationwide. 1200 - 2020. TX 1800 28. D. Jackanory, Money at Work. 0930 - 2130. TR 1415 & 1630, TX 2015 Sat 03 ? Fri 09 Nov 1973 On leave, but missed 6 & 7 TC3 Softly, Softly 8. D. Midweek. 1530 - 0215 but O/R to 0235. TR1645, TX 2240 & 2355 Sat 29 Dec 1973 ? Fri 04 Jan 1974 On leave until 1. D. Grandstand. 0900 - 1700. TX1230 3. TC1. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR 1145. TX 1650 Sat 26 Jan ? Fri 01 Feb 1974 On attachment to Belfast Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Mar 1974 4. TC4. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR 1145, TX 1650 7. TC1. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR.1145. TX 1650 8. D. Jackanory, Money. 0930 - 2130 but O/R to 2135. TR 1345, TX 2015 Sat 09 ? Fri 15 Mar 1974 10. E. Skating & Athletics Links 1130 - 1745. TX 1615 13. D. Jackanory. 1000- 1600. TR1500 14 & 15. TC6. Second House, 14. 1130 - 2215. TR 1930, 151200 - 2230 TR 1930 Sat 04 ? Fri 10 May 1974 4. E. MOTD 1800 - 2335. TX 2205 7. TC7. Playschool. 1930 - 1600. TR1445 8. TC7. Sportsnight. 1130 - 2315. TR 1515, TX 2155 Sat 15 ? Fri 21 Jun 1974 19. E. Nationwide. 1200 - 2010. TX 1800 Sat 06 ? Fri 12 Jul 1974 7. TC5. TV Club. 0900 - 2130. TR 1100, 1200, 2000 Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Nov 1974 On leave but missing 5 & 6 TC1 Softly Softly. & 7. E. Nationwide Sat 21 ? Fri 27 Dec 1974 22. TC8. Till Death. 0930 - 2200. TR 2000 TTThat's All Folks TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 15:14:09 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 21:14:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Diaries In-Reply-To: References: <00a201d6652f$f08e3c50$d1aab4f0$@gmail.com> <30151F7317494BA1828CA3E9FBC7EDDE@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Cheers Tony, plugged quite a few gaps there. That November 1973 post-midnight was for a by-election results show. In case you were curious. Many thanks. David From: techtone Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 8:57 PM To: David Brunt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: Diaries Hi David, I'm sorry it's taken so long to reply, but eventually a really wet day here has prompted another foray into the loft to retrieve more diaries. So I'll fill in what I was doing during the dates you mention, from what little I have in the diaries. Unlike Geoff Fletcher, I only note studio, times and programme, although the days off in between are full of useful information as to where I went and what I did, much of which I'd totally forgotten. Sat 24 Feb ? Fri 02 Mar 1973 I was at Evesham on my STO Course >From thence on my return I was on the camera pool, so don't have crew details Being on the camera pool meant there were a lot of standby days, which I haven't included Sat 01 ? Fri 07 Sep 1973 01 & 02. Pres B, 1200 - 2400 5. TC7 Jackanory, Playschool 0930 - 2215 TR 1445 & 2015 Sat 22 ? Fri 28 Sep 1973 22. E. Grandstand. 0900 - 1755. TX 1230 & 1735 23. TC4. Rig play. 1100 - 1700 26. E Nationwide. 1200 - 2020. TX 1800 28. D. Jackanory, Money at Work. 0930 - 2130. TR 1415 & 1630, TX 2015 Sat 03 ? Fri 09 Nov 1973 On leave, but missed 6 & 7 TC3 Softly, Softly 8. D. Midweek. 1530 - 0215 but O/R to 0235. TR1645, TX 2240 & 2355 Sat 29 Dec 1973 ? Fri 04 Jan 1974 On leave until 1. D. Grandstand. 0900 - 1700. TX1230 3. TC1. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR 1145. TX 1650 Sat 26 Jan ? Fri 01 Feb 1974 On attachment to Belfast Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Mar 1974 4. TC4. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR 1145, TX 1650 7. TC1. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR.1145. TX 1650 8. D. Jackanory, Money. 0930 - 2130 but O/R to 2135. TR 1345, TX 2015 Sat 09 ? Fri 15 Mar 1974 10. E. Skating & Athletics Links 1130 - 1745. TX 1615 13. D. Jackanory. 1000- 1600. TR1500 14 & 15. TC6. Second House, 14. 1130 - 2215. TR 1930, 151200 - 2230 TR 1930 Sat 04 ? Fri 10 May 1974 4. E. MOTD 1800 - 2335. TX 2205 7. TC7. Playschool. 1930 - 1600. TR1445 8. TC7. Sportsnight. 1130 - 2315. TR 1515, TX 2155 Sat 15 ? Fri 21 Jun 1974 19. E. Nationwide. 1200 - 2010. TX 1800 Sat 06 ? Fri 12 Jul 1974 7. TC5. TV Club. 0900 - 2130. TR 1100, 1200, 2000 Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Nov 1974 On leave but missing 5 & 6 TC1 Softly Softly. & 7. E. Nationwide Sat 21 ? Fri 27 Dec 1974 22. TC8. Till Death. 0930 - 2200. TR 2000 TTThat's All Folks TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Sep 2 15:42:41 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 21:42:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Diaries In-Reply-To: References: <00a201d6652f$f08e3c50$d1aab4f0$@gmail.com> <30151F7317494BA1828CA3E9FBC7EDDE@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <0E16191B-AB3C-4036-8329-3E63382DD2E9@icloud.com> Was Second House the BBC2 arts programme? If so it was probably Crew 15, I used to swing the mole on it. ? Graeme Wall > On 2 Sep 2020, at 21:14, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > Cheers Tony, plugged quite a few gaps there. > > That November 1973 post-midnight was for a by-election results show. In case you were curious. > > Many thanks. > > David > > > From: techtone > Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2020 8:57 PM > To: David Brunt > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: Diaries > > Hi David, > > I'm sorry it's taken so long to reply, but eventually a really wet day here has prompted another foray into the loft to retrieve more diaries. So I'll fill in what I was doing during the dates you mention, from what little I have in the diaries. Unlike Geoff Fletcher, I only note studio, times and programme, although the days off in between are full of useful information as to where I went and what I did, much of which I'd totally forgotten. > > Sat 24 Feb ? Fri 02 Mar 1973 > I was at Evesham on my STO Course > From thence on my return I was on the camera pool, so don't have crew details > Being on the camera pool meant there were a lot of standby days, which I haven't included > > Sat 01 ? Fri 07 Sep 1973 > 01 & 02. Pres B, 1200 - 2400 > 5. TC7 Jackanory, Playschool 0930 - 2215 TR 1445 & 2015 > > Sat 22 ? Fri 28 Sep 1973 > 22. E. Grandstand. 0900 - 1755. TX 1230 & 1735 > 23. TC4. Rig play. 1100 - 1700 > 26. E Nationwide. 1200 - 2020. TX 1800 > 28. D. Jackanory, Money at Work. 0930 - 2130. TR 1415 & 1630, TX 2015 > > Sat 03 ? Fri 09 Nov 1973 > On leave, but missed 6 & 7 TC3 Softly, Softly > 8. D. Midweek. 1530 - 0215 but O/R to 0235. TR1645, TX 2240 & 2355 > > Sat 29 Dec 1973 ? Fri 04 Jan 1974 > On leave until 1. D. Grandstand. 0900 - 1700. TX1230 > 3. TC1. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR 1145. TX 1650 > > Sat 26 Jan ? Fri 01 Feb 1974 > On attachment to Belfast > > Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Mar 1974 > 4. TC4. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR 1145, TX 1650 > 7. TC1. Blue Peter. 0900 - 1745. TR.1145. TX 1650 > 8. D. Jackanory, Money. 0930 - 2130 but O/R to 2135. TR 1345, TX 2015 > > Sat 09 ? Fri 15 Mar 1974 > 10. E. Skating & Athletics Links 1130 - 1745. TX 1615 > 13. D. Jackanory. 1000- 1600. TR1500 > 14 & 15. TC6. Second House, 14. 1130 - 2215. TR 1930, 151200 - 2230 TR 1930 > > Sat 04 ? Fri 10 May 1974 > 4. E. MOTD 1800 - 2335. TX 2205 > 7. TC7. Playschool. 1930 - 1600. TR1445 > 8. TC7. Sportsnight. 1130 - 2315. TR 1515, TX 2155 > > Sat 15 ? Fri 21 Jun 1974 > 19. E. Nationwide. 1200 - 2010. TX 1800 > > Sat 06 ? Fri 12 Jul 1974 > 7. TC5. TV Club. 0900 - 2130. TR 1100, 1200, 2000 > > Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Nov 1974 > On leave but missing 5 & 6 TC1 Softly Softly. & 7. E. Nationwide > > Sat 21 ? Fri 27 Dec 1974 > 22. TC8. Till Death. 0930 - 2200. TR 2000 > > TTThat's All Folks > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Thu Sep 3 14:34:09 2020 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 20:34:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Our World programme Message-ID: Hi all, I've finally managed to post my ramblings on the 'Our World' programme of 1967 and a separate one on the OB at Abbey Road with The Beatles. Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey were wonderfully helpful in the later one and Simon Vaughan helped enormously with the Norman Taylor documents, for which I am so grateful to them all. Thanks to you all at Tech-Ops for your input as well. I'm trying my luck by posting an edited together sequence of the whole of 'All You Need Is Love, including the Anthology DVD clip....I'll see how it goes! Apple Corp have a history of 'take-downs' over those clips. Any comments and corrections are always appreciated, and I'm also still unsure if my videos are easily accessible etc. The postings are on: *www.postfade.co.uk * David Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Sep 3 15:00:55 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 21:00:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The Our World programme In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8FAE012E-FC34-41E3-B861-C172CFECE44F@icloud.com> Very impressive! Thanks for posting that. ? Graeme Wall > On 3 Sep 2020, at 20:34, David Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > I've finally managed to post my ramblings on the 'Our World' programme of 1967 and a separate one on the OB at Abbey Road with The Beatles. > Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey were wonderfully helpful in the later one and Simon Vaughan helped enormously with the Norman Taylor documents, for which I am so grateful to them all. > Thanks to you all at Tech-Ops for your input as well. > > I'm trying my luck by posting an edited together sequence of the whole of 'All You Need Is Love, including the Anthology DVD clip....I'll see how it goes! > Apple Corp have a history of 'take-downs' over those clips. > > Any comments and corrections are always appreciated, and I'm also still unsure if my videos are easily accessible etc. > The postings are on: > www.postfade.co.uk > > David Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Sep 5 13:59:56 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 18:59:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] I'd completely forgotten....... Message-ID: ..........all about these car park tickets, but whilst searching through the diaries out fell these[20200905_124954.jpg] pieces of paper, and all different colours! Have I got a complete set? I bet this trumps those Dinky toy models, and beats stamp collecting! No, I'm not going to put them on eBay, and just to think, if they hadn't been wedged into the pages of the diaries, they'd have been binned years ago. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One of my Covid projects has been scanning thousands of 35mm colour slides. > Here are some pics taken on a Muti-Coloured Swap Shop in (I think TC7) back in the 80's. > https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ablso49j83u20c/AADdNxwbLCsNj178c_QuUvvUa?dl=0 > Does anyone recognise themselves or anyone else? > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Mon Sep 7 15:23:23 2020 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:23:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: vernon.dyer Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 To: Brian Rose via groups.io Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think.? Best wishes? .....? Vern? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 7 15:32:20 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:32:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Message-ID: <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan Taylor > On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: vernon.dyer > Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 > To: Brian Rose via groups.io > Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > > The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. > > Best wishes ..... Vern > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Sep 7 16:34:09 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:34:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com), <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> Message-ID: You can thank Lord Reith for bringing about the concept of the 13Amp ring main, fused in every 13Amp plug, as opposed to 15Amp sockets, each individually wired back to a central fuse box. In 1942! Apparently. (Google is your friend in such matters). I was brought up in a house that had plenty of 15Amp sockets that one could, and did, poke things into, which might go to explain a lot of shocking things about me! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan Taylor On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: vernon.dyer Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 To: Brian Rose via groups.io Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. Best wishes ..... Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From colin at colinhassell.com Mon Sep 7 16:53:42 2020 From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 22:53:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Behind the scenes of Swap Shop 1981 In-Reply-To: <1FB2A412-60A7-4983-8547-152B9AC5D326@icloud.com> References: <4e1f37ed-7a41-b554-8a7a-66a8075e71a5@gmx.co.uk> <1FB2A412-60A7-4983-8547-152B9AC5D326@icloud.com> Message-ID: <74FE1F93-56CC-4F56-B245-03E7CABF348C@colinhassell.com> Looks to be Rob Kreeger on the boom. Colin Hassell colin at colinhassell.com +44-(0)7973-802722 St Albans, Herts, UK > On 7 Sep 2020, at 20:10, Graham Maunder via Tech1 wrote: > > I spot Keith Mayes and possibly Howard Badger > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:56, Brian Dale via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? One of my Covid projects has been scanning thousands of 35mm colour slides. >> Here are some pics taken on a Muti-Coloured Swap Shop in (I think TC7) back in the 80's. >> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ablso49j83u20c/AADdNxwbLCsNj178c_QuUvvUa?dl=0 >> Does anyone recognise themselves or anyone else? >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Sep 7 17:18:28 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 23:18:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Behind the scenes of Swap Shop 1981 In-Reply-To: <74FE1F93-56CC-4F56-B245-03E7CABF348C@colinhassell.com> References: <4e1f37ed-7a41-b554-8a7a-66a8075e71a5@gmx.co.uk> <1FB2A412-60A7-4983-8547-152B9AC5D326@icloud.com> <74FE1F93-56CC-4F56-B245-03E7CABF348C@colinhassell.com> Message-ID: <909838E2-9F9C-4BFF-8676-9487B55F0B74@mac.com> Agreed, Mike G > On 7 Sep 2020, at 22:53, Colin Hassell via Tech1 wrote: > > Looks to be Rob Kreeger on the boom. > > Colin Hassell > > colin at colinhassell.com > +44-(0)7973-802722 > St Albans, Herts, UK > >> On 7 Sep 2020, at 20:10, Graham Maunder via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I spot Keith Mayes and possibly Howard Badger >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:56, Brian Dale via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? One of my Covid projects has been scanning thousands of 35mm colour slides. >>> Here are some pics taken on a Muti-Coloured Swap Shop in (I think TC7) back in the 80's. >>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2ablso49j83u20c/AADdNxwbLCsNj178c_QuUvvUa?dl=0 >>> Does anyone recognise themselves or anyone else? >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Sep 8 04:13:45 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 10:13:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] FW: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> Message-ID: <58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - uses less cable than the older radial system. But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have as many sockets as you want within a given area. In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. > Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. > Alan Taylor > > On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > > > # > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: vernon.dyer > > Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 > > To: Brian Rose via groups.io > > Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > > > > The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. > > > > Best wishes ..... Vern > > > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Tue Sep 8 05:33:08 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 11:33:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> <58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist. I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself. He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main. However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room. He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones. My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances. They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights. One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - > uses less cable than the older radial system. > > But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's > multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have > as many sockets as you want within a given area. > > > In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. > >> Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. > >> Alan Taylor > >>> On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> # >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: vernon.dyer >>> Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 >>> To: Brian Rose via groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables >>> >>> The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. >>> >>> Best wishes ..... Vern >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Sep 8 05:58:56 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 11:58:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net><5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net><1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com><58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <8E16879041F446D7AD9156995BCBC110@Gigabyte> The BBC crew house I lived in whilst first at KA had a very good system. Needed power either side of fireplace for TV or something so a 13A PLUG to PLUG lead stretched across fireplace from a wall mounted double 13A and into one side of a 2x13A socket so there was the other half free to use as I don't think they had disboards around so much then. Only problem of course was that it meant a live 13A plug lying around. Similar to my old story of when we went down from Switching Centre to TVI Windmill Street off Tottenham Court Road to test the videos and took a portable pulse and bar, one had to be careful about using their Mains XLR leads as they used them the other way around from BBC so a live mains plug appeared if one plugged a BBC lead into the bay sockets. Regarding bathrooms etc, the new regs even stop pull cords within 6ft (?) for a shower head in case of splashback as they are not waterproof. So how is one supposed to plug the hairdryer in without the socket under the bathroom sink? Next to the 13A spur for the showerpump. Mike From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Sep 8 06:01:05 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:01:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> > <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> <58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist. I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself. He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main. However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room. He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. > > I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. > > It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones. My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances. They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights. One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > >> The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - >> uses less cable than the older radial system. >> >> But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's >> multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have >> as many sockets as you want within a given area. >> >> >> In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, >> Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. >> >>> Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. >> >>> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> # >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: vernon.dyer >>>> Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 >>>> To: Brian Rose via groups.io >>>> Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables >>>> >>>> The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. >>>> >>>> Best wishes ..... Vern >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Sep 8 06:02:47 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:02:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net><5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net><1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com><58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <40D194B382B24996BAA5A322A7C8A6A7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Alan's account of the quirky ring main installation reminds me of one I had personal experience of. In 1969 I bought a 1st floor flat in Caterham which had been the subject of a GLC reclamation from the previous occupant who had never made a single monthly mortgage repayment. There was a huge main living room with multiple twin gang 13A outlets right round the perimeter. Looking behind each twin socket seemed reassuring - two 7/029 T & E cables feeding each one. Further examination revealed that all these feeder cables were no more than a couple of feet long fed down behind the skirting, each pair joined together in a short length of 15A chocolate block. All these chocolate blocks were then connected to a single further chocolate block in the middle of the room USING 5A LIGHTING FLEX, with a single 7/029 then providing a feed from a 15A fuseway in the consumer unit. Reminds me of stories of people distributing water supply throughout a house with garden hose. Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 11:33 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist. I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself. He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main. However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room. He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones. My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances. They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights. One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - > uses less cable than the older radial system. > > But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's > multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have > as many sockets as you want within a given area. > > > In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was >> built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses >> were built with both of those features. > >> Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A >> plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing >> screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping >> for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the >> original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a >> standard box. > >> Alan Taylor > >>> On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> # >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: vernon.dyer >>> Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 >>> To: Brian Rose via groups.io >>> Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables >>> >>> The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of >>> the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all >>> upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had >>> 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people >>> think. >>> >>> Best wishes ..... Vern >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Sep 8 06:06:15 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:06:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <8E16879041F446D7AD9156995BCBC110@Gigabyte> References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net><1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com><58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com>> <8E16879041F446D7AD9156995BCBC110@Gigabyte> Message-ID: I remember a near strike by the sparks in TVT when a group on the show (Crackerjack?) turned up with that very system of extension leads, and no idea of isolation transformers. They learned a lot in a very short time. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:58, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > The BBC crew house I lived in whilst first at KA had a very good system. > Needed power either side of fireplace for TV or something so a 13A PLUG to PLUG lead stretched across fireplace from a wall mounted double 13A and into one side of a 2x13A socket so there was the other half free to use as I don't think they had disboards around so much then. Only problem of course was that it meant a live 13A plug lying around. > Similar to my old story of when we went down from Switching Centre to TVI Windmill Street off Tottenham Court Road to test the videos and took a portable pulse and bar, one had to be careful about using their Mains XLR leads as they used them the other way around from BBC so a live mains plug appeared if one plugged a BBC lead into the bay sockets. > Regarding bathrooms etc, the new regs even stop pull cords within 6ft (?) for a shower head in case of splashback as they are not waterproof. So how is one supposed to plug the hairdryer in without the socket under the bathroom sink? Next to the 13A spur for the showerpump. > > Mike > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Sep 8 06:54:12 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:54:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <8E16879041F446D7AD9156995BCBC110@Gigabyte> References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> <58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> <8E16879041F446D7AD9156995BCBC110@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <1c9f557d-f10b-c004-e854-375602237b18@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 08/09/2020 11:58, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > ... > Regarding bathrooms etc, the new regs even stop pull cords within 6ft > (?) for a shower head in case of splashback as they are not waterproof. Nah! Pull cord switches are allowed in zone 1 - anywhere that isn't inside the bath or shower - according to 18th edition. In fact, if you have a bathroom that's a decent size you can even have sockets in it - 3m distance from bath/shower. And there's a load of lights, towel rail switches and other kit that are rated IP(X) 4 or 5 and can be used close to Zone 1. You do need a decent RCD protected circuit for all the bathroom stuff, but that is pretty simple to arrange, given modern DIN rail mounted stuff in consumer units. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From waresound at msn.com Tue Sep 8 07:28:59 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:28:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The house we moved into in March 2019 turned out to be full of DIY electrical horrors, despite a full electrical report that had been done only a year earlier. The all-new consumer unit, smart meter, and breakers etc., had lulled me into a false sense that all was OK. The sitting room is 12ft wide and 24ft long, a single storey extension with a high pitched roof. Inside, there are no trusses as such because the apex runs across the width, not the length, and the interior ceiling is plaster boarded with a pitched ceiling (and a horrible acoustic. All electrical wiring is inaccessible up in the ceiling. And that?s unfortunate, because the wall lights about 8ft above floor level were switched in the neutral, not the live, and in that room there was a neutral-to-earth short somewhere. I found that out the minute I went to change the ghastly daylight CFL bulbs for warm white LED?s. Then, along one long wall there are, for some unfathomable reason, seven 13Amp wall sockets about 15? above floor level. Half way along that wall there was a free standing gas stove which at first sight looked like a log burner, the gas feed being a 15mm copper pipe running all the way along the outside walls to the kitchen at the far end of the house. One of the first things we did was get rid of that, which meant removing the 6? flue that went through the wall behind it. As I drew the metal flue pipe out, I got a mains belt that I hadn?t expected! When the flue was installed, the hole cutter had cut clean through the 13Amp ring cable, leaving bare ends potentially exposed and touching the flue. And lo, there was the neutral-to-earth short! Every switch and wall socket in the house was of the brushed steel metal type, and on most of them you could feel a distinct ?tingle?. Needless to say, they are all plastic now, which looks much better anyway. Back in the 70?s I used to do occasional electrical installation for a guy who did dodgy loft and basement conversions, etc. All properly done to electrical regs as they were then, and all properly LEB inspected. I learnt then that slapdash or illegal electrics were not a good idea, and would in any case void your buildings and contents insurance at the very least. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Sep 2020, at 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist. I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself. He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main. However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room. He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones. My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances. They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights. One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - uses less cable than the older radial system. But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have as many sockets as you want within a given area. In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan Taylor On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 > wrote: # Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: vernon.dyer Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 To: Brian Rose via groups.io Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. Best wishes ..... 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Makes you wonder what the true overall picture might be ? probably better not to know! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:28 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The house we moved into in March 2019 turned out to be full of DIY electrical horrors, despite a full electrical report that had been done only a year earlier. The all-new consumer unit, smart meter, and breakers etc., had lulled me into a false sense that all was OK. The sitting room is 12ft wide and 24ft long, a single storey extension with a high pitched roof. Inside, there are no trusses as such because the apex runs across the width, not the length, and the interior ceiling is plaster boarded with a pitched ceiling (and a horrible acoustic. All electrical wiring is inaccessible up in the ceiling. And that?s unfortunate, because the wall lights about 8ft above floor level were switched in the neutral, not the live, and in that room there was a neutral-to-earth short somewhere. I found that out the minute I went to change the ghastly daylight CFL bulbs for warm white LED?s. Then, along one long wall there are, for some unfathomable reason, seven 13Amp wall sockets about 15? above floor level. Half way along that wall there was a free standing gas stove which at first sight looked like a log burner, the gas feed being a 15mm copper pipe running all the way along the outside walls to the kitchen at the far end of the house. One of the first things we did was get rid of that, which meant removing the 6? flue that went through the wall behind it. As I drew the metal flue pipe out, I got a mains belt that I hadn?t expected! When the flue was installed, the hole cutter had cut clean through the 13Amp ring cable, leaving bare ends potentially exposed and touching the flue. And lo, there was the neutral-to-earth short! Every switch and wall socket in the house was of the brushed steel metal type, and on most of them you could feel a distinct ?tingle?. Needless to say, they are all plastic now, which looks much better anyway. Back in the 70?s I used to do occasional electrical installation for a guy who did dodgy loft and basement conversions, etc. All properly done to electrical regs as they were then, and all properly LEB inspected. I learnt then that slapdash or illegal electrics were not a good idea, and would in any case void your buildings and contents insurance at the very least. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Sep 2020, at 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist. I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself. He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main. However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room. He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones. My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances. They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights. One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - uses less cable than the older radial system. But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have as many sockets as you want within a given area. In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan Taylor On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: # Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: vernon.dyer Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 To: Brian Rose via groups.io Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. Best wishes ..... Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Sep 8 07:59:33 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2020 13:59:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> <58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58acc77eb7davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. You are, of course, allowed a shaver socket. Which in the old days had a 1:1 isolating transformer built in. Can't see why you couldn't have a similar arrangement for anything - provided the transformer was big enough. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Tue Sep 8 08:41:10 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:41:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <58acc77eb7davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5ED9B6610FCA673F@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E@me.com> <58acb2d2b3davesound@btinternet.com> <58acc77eb7davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <555D47C8-5715-461A-B69D-8952E4E64992@me.com> I put that exact proposal to an electrician who was rewiring my house and he insisted that the regs only allow between 20 -50W output from such an outlet. He was unable to explain why German cemeteries are not full of people who used hair dryers close to their sinks. All he could come up with was "different rules". Obviously there is a real danger with having live electricity close to water. When we did a Snowtime Special programme in Switzerland in '78, the French singer Claude Fran?cois appeared in the final show ( he wrote "My Way", made famous by Sinatra ). When we we queuing up at Geneva airport on the way home, there was a Tannoy announcement starting with the usual first five notes from "How Much is that Doggy in the Window", followed by ... "Calling Monsieur Uurrll, Monsieur Uurrll". Michael Hurll went to see what the message was about and was told that Claude had been found electrocuted in his hotel suite. He had run a bath, was in it when the light went out and was presumed to have stood up in the bath to fiddle with the bulb ..... Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 13:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article , > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. > > You are, of course, allowed a shaver socket. Which in the old days had a > 1:1 isolating transformer built in. Can't see why you couldn't have a > similar arrangement for anything - provided the transformer was big enough. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net Tue Sep 8 09:00:27 2020 From: clivegulliver2 at talktalk.net (Clive Gulliver) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:00:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With all this talk about the introduction of the of the 13A plug, I have got to add, my father was on the committee that designed it. I also was a victim of my own curiosity , I put a bit of flex between two inviting holes of a socket! Only superficial burns resulted Clive Gullivr From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:08 PM To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables So in just the space of a couple of hours, a very small slice of this country?s population comes up with several electrical horror stories. Makes you wonder what the true overall picture might be ? probably better not to know! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:28 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The house we moved into in March 2019 turned out to be full of DIY electrical horrors, despite a full electrical report that had been done only a year earlier. The all-new consumer unit, smart meter, and breakers etc., had lulled me into a false sense that all was OK. The sitting room is 12ft wide and 24ft long, a single storey extension with a high pitched roof. Inside, there are no trusses as such because the apex runs across the width, not the length, and the interior ceiling is plaster boarded with a pitched ceiling (and a horrible acoustic. All electrical wiring is inaccessible up in the ceiling. And that?s unfortunate, because the wall lights about 8ft above floor level were switched in the neutral, not the live, and in that room there was a neutral-to-earth short somewhere. I found that out the minute I went to change the ghastly daylight CFL bulbs for warm white LED?s. Then, along one long wall there are, for some unfathomable reason, seven 13Amp wall sockets about 15? above floor level. Half way along that wall there was a free standing gas stove which at first sight looked like a log burner, the gas feed being a 15mm copper pipe running all the way along the outside walls to the kitchen at the far end of the house. One of the first things we did was get rid of that, which meant removing the 6? flue that went through the wall behind it. As I drew the metal flue pipe out, I got a mains belt that I hadn?t expected! When the flue was installed, the hole cutter had cut clean through the 13Amp ring cable, leaving bare ends potentially exposed and touching the flue. And lo, there was the neutral-to-earth short! Every switch and wall socket in the house was of the brushed steel metal type, and on most of them you could feel a distinct ?tingle?. Needless to say, they are all plastic now, which looks much better anyway. Back in the 70?s I used to do occasional electrical installation for a guy who did dodgy loft and basement conversions, etc. All properly done to electrical regs as they were then, and all properly LEB inspected. I learnt then that slapdash or illegal electrics were not a good idea, and would in any case void your buildings and contents insurance at the very least. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Sep 2020, at 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist. I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself. He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main. However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room. He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones. My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances. They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights. One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - uses less cable than the older radial system. But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have as many sockets as you want within a given area. In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan Taylor On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: # Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: vernon.dyer Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 To: Brian Rose via groups.io Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. Best wishes ..... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 8 10:37:17 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 16:37:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> Those of you would worked in the sound galleries of TVC will no doubt remember the curious mains plugs that were used for mobile outboard equipment (tape deck trolleys). They were designed to fit only wall points providing stabilised supplies, and had a keying slot on the earth pin, plus the live pin was a screw-in fuse. I had an unfortunate experience once, leaning on the two TR90 decks, with one hand on each ? as one did! I got a huge mains belt, which threw me on the floor, luckily, as it broke the connection. Subsequent investigation revealed that both the mains plugs had the earth wires not in connection with the pin, so somehow had caused a potential short circuit, competed across the chest/heart of yours truly. The TVC nurse was very concerned, and wanted me not to drive home but to take a cab. Can?t remember if they gave me an ECG, but I was impressed by the care ? probably there to avoid a lawsuit! Pleased to say the ticker is still functioning. Maybe that belt gave me ?life? a la Frankenstein?s creation! My father had a house built and the wiring emanating from the fuse box under the stairs went radially!! Modern buildings, now, it?s reasonable safe to assume the wiring to switches and power points extends vertically up and down, although use of a cable/voltage sensor is to be recommended. The flat I bought way back in 1977, had a TV distribution system provided by the builders. Couldn?t get a signal, so investigated. Turned out that there was a block in the cable buried in the aerial feed in a wall conduit. Excavated the plaster to find that the conduit containing the co-ax had been nailed right through the middle, shorting between the screen and conductor. Maybe an apprentice had been told to nail it in, but not with a fix either side of the conduit! While I do agree that the UK 13A plug is large and unwieldly, I?m more dismissive of the US two bladed plugs on their 110/120v system. My distant memory of Physics tells me that the lower the voltage, the higher the current, which is the killer! I like the Schuko continental plugs, well shrouded against accidental finger touch and mostly with an earth connection that is made before the plug sits fully home. Then we have the IEC standard ? ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Clive Gulliver via Tech1 Sent: 08 September 2020 15:00 To: David Newbitt; Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables With all this talk about the introduction of the of the? 13A plug, I have got to add, my father was on the committee that designed? it. I also was a victim of my own curiosity , I put a bit of flex between two inviting holes of a socket! Only superficial burns resulted Clive Gullivr ? ? From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:08 PM To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables ? So in just the space of a couple of hours, a very small slice of this country?s population comes up with several electrical horror stories. Makes you wonder what the true overall picture might be ? probably better not to know! ? Dave Newbitt. ? From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:28 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables ? The house we moved into in March 2019 turned out to be full of DIY electrical horrors, despite a full electrical report that had been done only a year earlier. The all-new consumer unit, smart meter, and breakers etc., had lulled me into a false sense that all was OK.? The sitting room is 12ft wide and 24ft long, a single storey extension with a high pitched roof. Inside, there are no trusses as such because the apex runs across the width, not the length, and the interior ceiling is plaster boarded with a pitched ceiling (and a horrible acoustic. All electrical wiring is inaccessible up in the ceiling. And that?s unfortunate, because the wall lights about 8ft above floor level were switched in the neutral, not the live, and in that room there was a neutral-to-earth short somewhere. I found that out the minute I went to change the ghastly daylight CFL bulbs for warm white LED?s. Then, along one long wall there are, for some unfathomable reason, seven 13Amp wall sockets about 15? above floor level. Half way along that wall there was a free standing gas stove which at first sight looked like a log burner, the gas feed being a 15mm copper pipe running all the way along the outside walls to the kitchen at the far end of the house. One of the first things we did was get rid of that, which meant removing the 6? flue that went through the wall behind it. As I drew the metal flue pipe out, I got a mains belt that I hadn?t expected! When the flue was installed, the hole cutter had cut clean through the 13Amp ring cable, leaving bare ends potentially exposed and touching the flue. And lo, there was the neutral-to-earth short! Every switch and wall socket in the house was of the brushed steel metal type, and on most of them you could feel a distinct ?tingle?. Needless to say, they are all plastic now, which looks much better anyway. Back in the 70?s I used to do occasional electrical installation for a guy who did dodgy loft and basement conversions, etc. All properly done to electrical regs as they were then, and all properly LEB inspected. I learnt then that slapdash or illegal electrics were not a good idea, and would in any case void your buildings and contents insurance at the very least. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Sep 2020, at 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... ? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist.? I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself.? He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main.? However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room.? He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones.? My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances.? They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights.? One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - uses less cable than the older radial system. But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have as many sockets as you want within a given area.? In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing.? I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side.? Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan Taylor On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: # Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: vernon.dyer Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 To: Brian Rose via groups.io Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. Best wishes? .....? Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- ? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? 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Only superficial burns resultedClive Gullivr??From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:08 PMTo: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables?So in just the space of a couple of hours, a very small slice of this country?s population comes up with several electrical horror stories. Makes you wonder what the true overall picture might be ? probably better not to know!?Dave Newbitt.?From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:28 PMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables?The house we moved into in March 2019 turned out to be full of DIY electrical horrors, despite a full electrical report that had been done only a year earlier. The all-new consumer unit, smart meter, and breakers etc., had lulled me into a false sense that all was OK.? The sitting room is 12ft wide and 24ft long, a single storey extension with a high pitched roof. Inside, there are no trusses as such because the apex runs across the width, not the length, and the interior ceiling is plaster boarded with a pitched ceiling (and a horrible acoustic. All electrical wiring is inaccessible up in the ceiling.And that?s unfortunate, because the wall lights about 8ft above floor level were switched in the neutral, not the live, and in that room there was a neutral-to-earth short somewhere. I found that out the minute I went to change the ghastly daylight CFL bulbs for warm white LED?s.Then, along one long wall there are, for some unfathomable reason, seven 13Amp wall sockets about 15? above floor level. Half way along that wall there was a free standing gas stove which at first sight looked like a log burner, the gas feed being a 15mm copper pipe running all the way along the outside walls to the kitchen at the far end of the house. One of the first things we did was get rid of that, which meant removing the 6? flue that went through the wall behind it. As I drew the metal flue pipe out, I got a mains belt that I hadn?t expected! When the flue was installed, the hole cutter had cut clean through the 13Amp ring cable, leaving bare ends potentially exposed and touching the flue. And lo, there was the neutral-to-earth short!Every switch and wall socket in the house was of the brushed steel metal type, and on most of them you could feel a distinct ?tingle?. Needless to say, they are all plastic now, which looks much better anyway.Back in the 70?s I used to do occasional electrical installation for a guy who did dodgy loft and basement conversions, etc. All properly done to electrical regs as they were then, and all properly LEB inspected. I learnt then that slapdash or illegal electrics were not a good idea, and would in any case void your buildings and contents insurance at the very least.Nick.Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5On 8 Sep 2020, at 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:? A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... ?Alasdair Lawrancealawrance1 at me.comDon?t blame me, I voted Remain.On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:?People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist.? I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself.? He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main.? However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room.? He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted.I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly.It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones.? My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances.? They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights.? One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous.Alan TaylorOn 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution -uses less cable than the older radial system. But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today'smultitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can haveas many sockets as you want within a given area.? In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>,Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing.? I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features.Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side.? Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan TaylorOn 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote:#Sent from Mail for Windows 10From: vernon.dyerSent: 07 September 2020 16:44To: Brian Rose via groups.ioSubject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cablesThe 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. Best wishes? .....? Vern Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk-- ? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? 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Name: C2E8BE1171524EAFB3451E895852A676.png Type: image/png Size: 135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tony.briselden at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 11:41:37 2020 From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 17:41:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2bb93257-fb3b-4e6e-b16b-8fef311a1b12@Spark> I might as well join in this conversation as I, too, have had issues. Our first house was built in 1933 and was presumably wired when it was built. There were several 15 amp sockets but they were all straight into the skirting board with the wiring exposed. That I soon changed to 13 amp and boxes to ensure that the cables weren?t a fire hazard. I don?t remember what the cables were but I don?t think they were lead covered. When we bought our present house, which incidentally was built in 1836, it had been ?modernised? in 1927. First there was a bathroom on stilts built so that they didn?t have to go to the privy at the bottom of the garden. Secondly, and possibly more importantly, they had electricity installed. There were three 15 amp plugs which went independently to a main fuseboard at the front of the house. These were used for night storage heaters when we bought the house. There was also lighting in 8 rooms which went to another main fuse board. As I remember thee were only two fuses in the box so each fuse covered 4 rooms. All wiring was twin covered with lead. Perhaps needless to say my first job was to completely re-wire the house. There is a further story however. The then owner had converted a coach house to a garage with a bed-sit on top. This was done in the 1950?s and was not physically joined to the house and so had a completely modern electricity set up apart from the fact that the supply came from the house main fuse board. However it did mean that we could manage in the bed sit while I put in the new system in the house. The owner had lived in the bed sit and rented out the house! Just as a final point the same family and their descendants had lived in the house since it was built! Tony B On 8 Sep 2020, 16:54 +0100, vernon.dyer via Tech1 , wrote: > > > So, Clive, you're the reason the live and neutral sockets are shielded! > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > From: Clive Gulliver via Tech1 > Sent: 08 September 2020 15:00 > To: David Newbitt; Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > > With all this talk about the introduction of the of the? 13A plug, I have got to add, my father was on the committee that designed? it. > I also was a victim of my own curiosity , I put a bit of flex between two inviting holes of a socket! Only superficial burns resulted > Clive Gullivr > > > From: David Newbitt via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:08 PM > To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > > So in just the space of a couple of hours, a very small slice of this country?s population comes up with several electrical horror stories. Makes you wonder what the true overall picture might be ? probably better not to know! > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:28 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > > The house we moved into in March 2019 turned out to be full of DIY electrical horrors, despite a full electrical report that had been done only a year earlier. The all-new consumer unit, smart meter, and breakers etc., had lulled me into a false sense that all was OK. > The sitting room is 12ft wide and 24ft long, a single storey extension with a high pitched roof. Inside, there are no trusses as such because the apex runs across the width, not the length, and the interior ceiling is plaster boarded with a pitched ceiling (and a horrible acoustic. All electrical wiring is inaccessible up in the ceiling. > And that?s unfortunate, because the wall lights about 8ft above floor level were switched in the neutral, not the live, and in that room there was a neutral-to-earth short somewhere. I found that out the minute I went to change the ghastly daylight CFL bulbs for warm white LED?s. > Then, along one long wall there are, for some unfathomable reason, seven 13Amp wall sockets about 15? above floor level. Half way along that wall there was a free standing gas stove which at first sight looked like a log burner, the gas feed being a 15mm copper pipe running all the way along the outside walls to the kitchen at the far end of the house. One of the first things we did was get rid of that, which meant removing the 6? flue that went through the wall behind it. As I drew the metal flue pipe out, I got a mains belt that I hadn?t expected! When the flue was installed, the hole cutter had cut clean through the 13Amp ring cable, leaving bare ends potentially exposed and touching the flue. And lo, there was the neutral-to-earth short! > Every switch and wall socket in the house was of the brushed steel metal type, and on most of them you could feel a distinct ?tingle?. Needless to say, they are all plastic now, which looks much better anyway. > Back in the 70?s I used to do occasional electrical installation for a guy who did dodgy loft and basement conversions, etc. All properly done to electrical regs as they were then, and all properly LEB inspected. I learnt then that slapdash or illegal electrics were not a good idea, and would in any case void your buildings and contents insurance at the very least. > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > On 8 Sep 2020, at 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... > > > > Alasdair Lawrance > > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist.? I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself.? He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main.? However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room.? He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. > > > > > > I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. > > > > > > It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones.? My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances.? They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights.? One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. > > > > > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - > > > > uses less cable than the older radial system. > > > > > > > > But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's > > > > multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have > > > > as many sockets as you want within a given area. > > > > > > > > > > > > In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, > > > > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing.? I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side.? Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > # > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: vernon.dyer > > > > > > Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 > > > > > > To: Brian Rose via groups.io > > > > > > Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > > > > > > > > > > > > The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes? .....? Vern > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Tech1 mailing list > > > > > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > > > -- > > > > ? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: C2E8BE1171524EAFB3451E895852A676.png Type: image/png Size: 135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Waresound at msn.com Tue Sep 8 12:16:22 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 17:16:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> References: , <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Those D&S Tech Supply plugs were dreadful. As far as I was concerned, D&S stood for Dangerous and Scary. It wasn?t unknown for the screw-in fuse pin to get left behind when you pulled the plug out, leaving a live protruding fuse. Not good when you?re groping around in the semi darkness behind a cyc. And, the cable clamping was hopeless, the cable easily pulled off the plug if it wasn?t tied off properly, which as you?ll remember, you couldn?t do on the SCR wall outlets. A 110V outlet may be double the current for a given load, but it?s still the same Wattage. I?m not sure how that fits with Pat?s physics killer theory. On the run-up to a Through the Keyhole trip to the USA (Trump Tower and his Miami home amongst others), I had a conversation with our spark, who insisted that fitting 110V bubbles in our 2k blondes would still pull the same current (because in his mind they were still 2k). His secret solution in the event was 25mm sawn off bits of 6? nail in all our 13A plugs. On our return to UK, at the next shoot he plugged in a blonde which lit mighty bright for a second or two, then a very big bang! You can guess why. The Trump encounter was a bizarre story in itself, but that?s for another day! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Sep 2020, at 16:37, patheigham wrote: ? Those of you would worked in the sound galleries of TVC will no doubt remember the curious mains plugs that were used for mobile outboard equipment (tape deck trolleys). They were designed to fit only wall points providing stabilised supplies, and had a keying slot on the earth pin, plus the live pin was a screw-in fuse. I had an unfortunate experience once, leaning on the two TR90 decks, with one hand on each ? as one did! I got a huge mains belt, which threw me on the floor, luckily, as it broke the connection. Subsequent investigation revealed that both the mains plugs had the earth wires not in connection with the pin, so somehow had caused a potential short circuit, competed across the chest/heart of yours truly. The TVC nurse was very concerned, and wanted me not to drive home but to take a cab. Can?t remember if they gave me an ECG, but I was impressed by the care ? probably there to avoid a lawsuit! Pleased to say the ticker is still functioning. Maybe that belt gave me ?life? a la Frankenstein?s creation! My father had a house built and the wiring emanating from the fuse box under the stairs went radially!! Modern buildings, now, it?s reasonable safe to assume the wiring to switches and power points extends vertically up and down, although use of a cable/voltage sensor is to be recommended. The flat I bought way back in 1977, had a TV distribution system provided by the builders. Couldn?t get a signal, so investigated. Turned out that there was a block in the cable buried in the aerial feed in a wall conduit. Excavated the plaster to find that the conduit containing the co-ax had been nailed right through the middle, shorting between the screen and conductor. Maybe an apprentice had been told to nail it in, but not with a fix either side of the conduit! While I do agree that the UK 13A plug is large and unwieldly, I?m more dismissive of the US two bladed plugs on their 110/120v system. My distant memory of Physics tells me that the lower the voltage, the higher the current, which is the killer! I like the Schuko continental plugs, well shrouded against accidental finger touch and mostly with an earth connection that is made before the plug sits fully home. Then we have the IEC standard ? ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Clive Gulliver via Tech1 Sent: 08 September 2020 15:00 To: David Newbitt; Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables With all this talk about the introduction of the of the 13A plug, I have got to add, my father was on the committee that designed it. I also was a victim of my own curiosity , I put a bit of flex between two inviting holes of a socket! Only superficial burns resulted Clive Gullivr From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 2:08 PM To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables So in just the space of a couple of hours, a very small slice of this country?s population comes up with several electrical horror stories. Makes you wonder what the true overall picture might be ? probably better not to know! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 1:28 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The house we moved into in March 2019 turned out to be full of DIY electrical horrors, despite a full electrical report that had been done only a year earlier. The all-new consumer unit, smart meter, and breakers etc., had lulled me into a false sense that all was OK. The sitting room is 12ft wide and 24ft long, a single storey extension with a high pitched roof. Inside, there are no trusses as such because the apex runs across the width, not the length, and the interior ceiling is plaster boarded with a pitched ceiling (and a horrible acoustic. All electrical wiring is inaccessible up in the ceiling. And that?s unfortunate, because the wall lights about 8ft above floor level were switched in the neutral, not the live, and in that room there was a neutral-to-earth short somewhere. I found that out the minute I went to change the ghastly daylight CFL bulbs for warm white LED?s. Then, along one long wall there are, for some unfathomable reason, seven 13Amp wall sockets about 15? above floor level. Half way along that wall there was a free standing gas stove which at first sight looked like a log burner, the gas feed being a 15mm copper pipe running all the way along the outside walls to the kitchen at the far end of the house. One of the first things we did was get rid of that, which meant removing the 6? flue that went through the wall behind it. As I drew the metal flue pipe out, I got a mains belt that I hadn?t expected! When the flue was installed, the hole cutter had cut clean through the 13Amp ring cable, leaving bare ends potentially exposed and touching the flue. And lo, there was the neutral-to-earth short! Every switch and wall socket in the house was of the brushed steel metal type, and on most of them you could feel a distinct ?tingle?. Needless to say, they are all plastic now, which looks much better anyway. Back in the 70?s I used to do occasional electrical installation for a guy who did dodgy loft and basement conversions, etc. All properly done to electrical regs as they were then, and all properly LEB inspected. I learnt then that slapdash or illegal electrics were not a good idea, and would in any case void your buildings and contents insurance at the very least. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 8 Sep 2020, at 12:01, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ? A neighbour of mine once asked If I could make her an extension cable for the shaver socket in the bathroom, so she could do her legs while she was having a bath..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 8 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: People who worked at Kendal Avenue may remember Eric Spanier, who was our first radio mic specialist. I once collected him from his house and was invited in. His electrical arrangements were every bit as eccentric as the man himself. He removed whatever old wiring was originally in the house and replaced it with a 13A ring main. However he didn't bother with minor details like fastening the sockets to the wall or having the wiring channelled into or even nailed to the wall. The wiring simply trailed around the edges of each room. He proudly demonstrated out that if a socket wasn't in quite the right place, he could simply drag it to where it was needed and instead of buying four way distribution blocks, if he needed more sockets, he could simply cut the ring and add a new socket wherever he wanted. I initially assumed that it was work in progress, but apparently it had been like that for years and he had no intention of doing it properly. It's interesting comparing UK wiring conventions with German ones. My mother in law in Germany has a breaker panel in her basement which is almost a metre high, with maybe fifty circuit breakers and a massive loom of cables going to the various sockets and appliances. They think our massive 13A plugs are weird, but didn't realise that they each have a fuse and that our consumer units are so small, with each breaker serving an entire floor of sockets or lights. One thing I've never understood is that in Germany it's normal to have a mains socket right by the bathroom sink for using a hair dryer, but in the UK, you're not allowed a mains socket anywhere near a sink. It's the same 230V electricity and protected by an RCBO, but such an arrangement in the UK would be regarded as hazardous. Alan Taylor On 8 Sep 2020, at 8 Sep . 10:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: The ring main system came in after WW2 as a material saving solution - uses less cable than the older radial system. But I'd say they had little idea how suited it would be to today's multitude of electrical thingies. As in a domestic situation you can have as many sockets as you want within a given area. In article <1F6150D5-45EA-43F7-A27C-FA760776382E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: My previous house was built in 1953 and had 13A sockets when it was built, but also had lead plumbing. I would guess that very few houses were built with both of those features. Incidentally, the original 13A sockets obviously accept standard 13A plugs, but the faceplates were a non-standard size and had the fixing screws top and bottom, rather than either side. Consequentially swapping for a neater, modern faceplate was quite a hassle, involving removing the original mounting box and chiselling out the wall to accommodate a standard box. Alan Taylor On 7 Sep 2020, at 21:23, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 wrote: # Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: vernon.dyer Sent: 07 September 2020 16:44 To: Brian Rose via groups.io Subject: Re: [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables The 1948 house I grew up in had 1x 2amp and 1x 15amp socket in each of the downstairs rooms, 1x 15amp in the kitchen, and nothing at all upstairs. Incidentally the house my grandparents retired to in 1952 had 13amp sockets all round, so that system is rather older than many people think. Best wishes ..... 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Name: C2E8BE1171524EAFB3451E895852A676.png Type: image/png Size: 135 bytes Desc: C2E8BE1171524EAFB3451E895852A676.png URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 8 12:56:29 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 18:56:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: , <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5f57c5cd.1c69fb81.63871.0fe8@mx.google.com> Was your spark ?not Marge?? I?ve seen him do that trick with nails! It is current that?s the killer, see attachment doc. I wonder what the voltage/current was for the US Electric chair (Ol? Sparky!). Think some 28 States still have the ultimate penalty, but with lethal injection now? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 08 September 2020 18:16 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables Those D&S Tech Supply plugs were dreadful. As far as I was concerned, D&S stood for Dangerous and Scary. It wasn?t unknown for the screw-in fuse pin to get left behind when you pulled the plug out, leaving a live protruding fuse. Not good when you?re groping around in the semi darkness behind a cyc. And, the cable clamping was hopeless, the cable easily pulled off the plug if it wasn?t tied off properly, which as you?ll remember, you couldn?t do on the SCR wall outlets. A 110V outlet may be double the current for a given load, but it?s still the same Wattage. I?m not sure how that fits with Pat?s physics killer theory. On the run-up to a Through the Keyhole trip to the USA (Trump Tower and his Miami home amongst others), I had a conversation with our spark, who insisted that fitting 110V bubbles in our 2k blondes would still pull the same current (because in his mind they were still 2k). His secret solution in the event was 25mm sawn off bits of 6? nail in all our 13A plugs. On our return to UK, at the next shoot he plugged in a blonde which lit mighty bright for a second or two, then a very big bang! You can guess why. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Death from Electricity.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 7032 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Sep 8 13:06:38 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 19:06:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: , <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7ED9096FF8514114A2CE0A37E118A138@Gigabyte> Two similar stories! I went with the BBC 3m satellite earth station to Nassau for Commonwealth Conference way back in 2008(!) On the survey, I asked if there was any way to get 240v as I knew they were a 110v place. Man came with me to power cabinet in the hotel where we were parked. Every colour of cable under the sun! UK red/Black (proper colours), a bit of Blue/Brown, lots of White/Black (US) and as they and most of US actually used stacked 110/220 v supplies to get enough power to cookers and air-con at 220v rather than loads of amps at 110, he said OK we will sort it. Sat Truck arrives and there are two black wires hanging from a tree for us (no connectors). So guessed it was negative and +220 and connected. Of course the safety RCDs never worked in the truck and all the neons on incoming connectors never lit. So all OK. Then disaster since we thought it was time for tea so got kettle out and NO MAINS lead. However about to solder bare ends on the pins, opened it up and mains lead inside ? phew! Newsnight live from a beach by the sea was quite fun and none of this internet and digital stuff in those days. Similar in Iceland as they gave us a single phase 240 of a delta supply which has no earth so again all warning lights referenced to earth never worked. Flew up with a full sized links van, a 3m dish, an ITN landrover and dish all inside a Freddie Laker Belfast Freighter from wartime Berlin airlift days. All good fun around the world eh? Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nassau_de-rig_Studio.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 516238 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Sep 8 13:55:42 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 19:55:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <7ED9096FF8514114A2CE0A37E118A138@Gigabyte> References: , <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> <7ED9096FF8514114A2CE0A37E118A138@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <0AE2C694ED9D4E678058D84756667673@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> What a great photo Mike! Re Pat and amps and volts. Am I losing the plot here Pat ? sure nobody?s going to quarrel with you over the current being the killer but how did you get to the lower voltage of 110 generating a higher current flow than 240V? Was the unfortunate body (yours!) forming the bridge from live to neutral or conducting a path from live to ground earth? Sorry if I?m missing something but so far I haven?t figured it. In all humility, Dave Newbitt From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 7:06 PM To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables Two similar stories! I went with the BBC 3m satellite earth station to Nassau for Commonwealth Conference way back in 2008(!) On the survey, I asked if there was any way to get 240v as I knew they were a 110v place. Man came with me to power cabinet in the hotel where we were parked. Every colour of cable under the sun! UK red/Black (proper colours), a bit of Blue/Brown, lots of White/Black (US) and as they and most of US actually used stacked 110/220 v supplies to get enough power to cookers and air-con at 220v rather than loads of amps at 110, he said OK we will sort it. Sat Truck arrives and there are two black wires hanging from a tree for us (no connectors). So guessed it was negative and +220 and connected. Of course the safety RCDs never worked in the truck and all the neons on incoming connectors never lit. So all OK. Then disaster since we thought it was time for tea so got kettle out and NO MAINS lead. However about to solder bare ends on the pins, opened it up and mains lead inside ? phew! Newsnight live from a beach by the sea was quite fun and none of this internet and digital stuff in those days. Similar in Iceland as they gave us a single phase 240 of a delta supply which has no earth so again all warning lights referenced to earth never worked. Flew up with a full sized links van, a 3m dish, an ITN landrover and dish all inside a Freddie Laker Belfast Freighter from wartime Berlin airlift days. All good fun around the world eh? 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Think some 28 States still have the ultimate penalty, but with lethal injection now? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 08 September 2020 18:16 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables Those D&S Tech Supply plugs were dreadful. As far as I was concerned, D&S stood for Dangerous and Scary. It wasn?t unknown for the screw-in fuse pin to get left behind when you pulled the plug out, leaving a live protruding fuse. Not good when you?re groping around in the semi darkness behind a cyc. And, the cable clamping was hopeless, the cable easily pulled off the plug if it wasn?t tied off properly, which as you?ll remember, you couldn?t do on the SCR wall outlets. A 110V outlet may be double the current for a given load, but it?s still the same Wattage. I?m not sure how that fits with Pat?s physics killer theory. On the run-up to a Through the Keyhole trip to the USA (Trump Tower and his Miami home amongst others), I had a conversation with our spark, who insisted that fitting 110V bubbles in our 2k blondes would still pull the same current (because in his mind they were still 2k). His secret solution in the event was 25mm sawn off bits of 6? nail in all our 13A plugs. On our return to UK, at the next shoot he plugged in a blonde which lit mighty bright for a second or two, then a very big bang! You can guess why. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Man came with me to power cabinet in the hotel where we were parked. Every colour of cable under the sun! UK red/Black (proper colours), a bit of Blue/Brown, lots of White/Black (US) and as they and most of US actually used stacked 110/220 v supplies to get enough power to cookers and air-con at 220v rather than loads of amps at 110, he said OK we will sort it. Sat Truck arrives and there are two black wires hanging from a tree for us (no connectors). So guessed it was negative and +220 and connected. Of course the safety RCDs never worked in the truck and all the neons on incoming connectors never lit. So all OK. Then disaster since we thought it was time for tea so got kettle out and NO MAINS lead. However about to solder bare ends on the pins, opened it up and mains lead inside ? phew! Newsnight live from a beach by the sea was quite fun and none of this internet and digital stuff in those days. Similar in Iceland as they gave us a single phase 240 of a delta supply which has no earth so again all warning lights referenced to earth never worked. Flew up with a full sized links van, a 3m dish, an ITN landrover and dish all inside a Freddie Laker Belfast Freighter from wartime Berlin airlift days. All good fun around the world eh? Mike [cid:23F3C3F4-2DB9-4293-9541-8358D6852F93] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Nassau_de-rig_Studio.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 516238 bytes Desc: Nassau_de-rig_Studio.jpg URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Sep 8 16:04:55 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:04:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: , <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com>, <7ED9096FF8514114A2CE0A37E118A138@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <260D03ACA5E0418B91373A785877141B@Gigabyte> I thought you meant the flooded redhead following on the spot but she wasn?t nearly up to par. And the legs on the left were quite a smoky pink. At least it was summer so no sign of a heavy frost and the sky was quite blue. That?s clear isn?t it? (27 ? 29 ? 63 ? 30) Mike From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 9:41 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables I?m always ready to admire a blonde on a beach, but that one is a bit close to the water?s edge for comfort! Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Tue Sep 8 16:57:20 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:57:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mic with headphones Message-ID: <89D3C887-5EDA-47F4-A437-BF53AA28DC15@btinternet.com> Anyone got any ideas for a quality Cheap microphone headset/ Senheiser do one at over ?100 but that is too much as I have the Sony WH-CH500 Noise cancelling already. It?s the ability to record decent sound on the computer meetings like Zoom. Best to all Albert From mibridge at mac.com Tue Sep 8 17:07:09 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 23:07:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <260D03ACA5E0418B91373A785877141B@Gigabyte> References: <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> <7ED9096FF8514114A2CE0A37E118A138@Gigabyte> <260D03ACA5E0418B91373A785877141B@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <73E8FD10-22B5-4613-A90A-8174F987319A@mac.com> During the 1986 World Cup in Mexico, we discovered that in the broadcast centre three pin US style outlets were haphazardly mounted both ways, i.e. sometimes earth was at the bottom and sometimes at the top, but live was always on the right, so it was 50/50 as to whether/off switches were in the live or the neutral. I?ve no idea whether that?s common for those outlets elsewhere. That was also the first place that I came across the expression ?brown-out? for a significant drop in mains voltage, or when the power went off completely, our American installation guy, one Dennis Feuzinger, would describe it as an ?ongoing off situation?. It seems remarkable that I remember his name after all this time, but Hibou will no doubt correct me if I spelled it incorrectly. Following on from a previous tale, I also once created a 13amp double ender, feeding a bayonet plug via a 13amp trailing socket, so that I could power the ground floor lighting whilst we were on holiday from a timer switch plugged into the ring main by pulling out the lighting fuse and plugging the bayonet plug into one of the downstairs lights. The only person hurt by this process was me, because there had been a power cut whilst we were away which meant the lights were on when we got home in daylight, but my wife went indoors first and turned off the offending lights, so that I was unaware that my 13amp double ender was live when I unplugged it in the wrong order! My next job was to fit timers in the lighting circuits! I also recall being told by the EM to jump in and out of the scanner at the Devon and Exeter County Show one year ~ the ground was particularly dry and the riggers' usual trick of parking the scanner with one wheel over the earth spike didn?t provide the necessary earth, so the scanner was floating at 120 volts with respect to earth and the PA had received a belt when she put her hand on the grab to climb into the vehicle. If I remember correctly, the A303 at Stonehenge was to blame for making the scanner very late in arriving at the venue and by the time the problem was discovered, we were already on the air. Mike G > On 8 Sep 2020, at 22:04, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > I thought you meant the flooded redhead following on the spot but she wasn?t nearly up to par. > And the legs on the left were quite a smoky pink. > At least it was summer so no sign of a heavy frost and the sky was quite blue. That?s clear isn?t it? > (27 ? 29 ? 63 ? 30) > > Mike > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 9:41 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > > I?m always ready to admire a blonde on a beach, but that one is a bit close to the water?s edge for comfort! > Nick. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of you may know, Albert or Bernie perhaps who lived there for longer than those of us who just did a three or six months stint? It may also trigger memories of the others of those films that were once so familiar due to their frequent showings, Geoff Hawkes Geoff > On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Wed Sep 9 01:29:37 2020 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 07:29:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mic with headphones In-Reply-To: <89D3C887-5EDA-47F4-A437-BF53AA28DC15@btinternet.com> References: <89D3C887-5EDA-47F4-A437-BF53AA28DC15@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hello Albert I don't have direct experience of this headset but have seen one of Radio 4's journalists using it and it sounded very good. https://www.eposaudio.com/en/gb/gaming/products/gsp-300-gaming-headset-1000238 Best Rob Sent from my Xperia? by Sony smartphone ---- Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote ---- >Anyone got any ideas for a quality Cheap microphone headset/ >Senheiser do one at over ?100 but that is too much as I have the Sony WH-CH500 Noise cancelling already. It?s the ability to record decent sound on the computer meetings like Zoom. >Best to all >Albert > > >-- >Tech1 mailing list >Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Sep 9 02:01:50 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 08:01:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> References: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6DA27DA0-EF44-4475-8990-0D23B8C3C142@icloud.com> > On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > It may also trigger memories of the others of those films that were once so familiar due to their frequent showings, > Geoff Hawkes > There was one by Canadian Pacific about their railway freight services which was quite popular. ? Graeme Wall From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Sep 9 02:39:59 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 08:39:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <73E8FD10-22B5-4613-A90A-8174F987319A@mac.com> References: <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> <7ED9096FF8514114A2CE0A37E118A138@Gigabyte> <260D03ACA5E0418B91373A785877141B@Gigabyte> <73E8FD10-22B5-4613-A90A-8174F987319A@mac.com> Message-ID: <19FB9C8A877C4461B12D751852486E32@Gigabyte> Talking of ?live? scaners, some ? many ? years ago we were doing a show from the Fairfield Halls in Croydon. Went off for lunch or supper and came back to find people left in the scanner saying ?don?t touch? One had gone out and coming back, grabbed the rear handrail and hot a shock. Turned out there had been a fault with the generator or mains feed and the earth spike wasn?t earthing. The riggers/electricians had correctly put the spike into the ground surrounding a tree next to the scanner but unfortunately the whole paved area we were on had a plastic waterproofing layer underneath so the neither the spike nor the standby one under the wheel was actually into earth. Don?t know about the USA but now in Canada the flat 2pin plugs are non-reversible in that one pin is wider than the other to maintain polarity safely with protective thingys inside houses. When I brought a bit of kit back home here (some sort of video stuff I bought which is OK cos I have a mini 240/110 adaptor) I had to file down the wider pin. Mike From: Mike Giles Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 11:07 PM To: Mike Jordan Cc: Nick Ware ; Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Wed Sep 9 02:51:07 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 08:51:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <19FB9C8A877C4461B12D751852486E32@Gigabyte> References: <19FB9C8A877C4461B12D751852486E32@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <7E0A1B65-AF07-43B4-BA29-855E0F273C30@mac.com> Just to refine the point, Mike, it wasn?t that you could put the plug the wrong way round into our Mexican friends? sockets, because of the earth pin, but the sockets were actually wired one way or the other, depending on which way up the socket was screwed to the wall, but always with the live on the right as far as we could discover. Mike G > On 9 Sep 2020, at 08:40, Mike Jordan wrote: > > ? > Talking of ?live? scaners, some ? many ? years ago we were doing a show from the Fairfield Halls in Croydon. > Went off for lunch or supper and came back to find people left in the scanner saying ?don?t touch? > One had gone out and coming back, grabbed the rear handrail and hot a shock. > Turned out there had been a fault with the generator or mains feed and the earth spike wasn?t earthing. > The riggers/electricians had correctly put the spike into the ground surrounding a tree next to the scanner but unfortunately the whole paved area we were on had a plastic waterproofing layer underneath so the neither the spike nor the standby one under the wheel was actually into earth. > > Don?t know about the USA but now in Canada the flat 2pin plugs are non-reversible in that one pin is wider than the other to maintain polarity safely with protective thingys inside houses. > When I brought a bit of kit back home here (some sort of video stuff I bought which is OK cos I have a mini 240/110 adaptor) I had to file down the wider pin. > > Mike > > From: Mike Giles > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 11:07 PM > To: Mike Jordan > Cc: Nick Ware ; Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Wed Sep 9 03:20:15 2020 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 09:20:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables Message-ID: <3gv2d9lkrucxe4bhtj32vd90.1599639615311@email.android.com> The film I remember most was about different countries cooking styles depending on the fuel available. China had little fuel so food was cooked quickly as in a stir-fry, we had wood, open fires so roast meats, and Ireland had peat and favoured slow cooked stews. Doug Puddifoot On 9 September 2020, at 08:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > It may also trigger memories of the others of those films that were once so familiar due to their frequent showings, > Geoff Hawkes > There was one by Canadian Pacific about their railway freight services which was quite popular. ? Graeme Wall -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Wed Sep 9 04:27:44 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:27:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <19FB9C8A877C4461B12D751852486E32@Gigabyte> References: <5f57a52d.1c69fb81.41551.3434@mx.google.com> <7ED9096FF8514114A2CE0A37E118A138@Gigabyte> <260D03ACA5E0418B91373A785877141B@Gigabyte> <73E8FD10-22B5-4613-A90A-8174F987319A@mac.com> <19FB9C8A877C4461B12D751852486E32@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <8CF02792-249E-45FF-A5BA-0C21627E79A2@btinternet.com> Our house in Bristol ,near the Downs ,was built in 1892, a fine Edwardian Gaff. When we renovated it in 1988 (in 100 days ) the rewire revealed the original electrics. What a work of art they were. 3mm copper live , neutral and earth run in 8 cm pine conduit, each connector sheathed in rubber and silk and spaced in channels. Brass switching throughout, radial distribution, huge ceramic fuse panel in the pantry All ripped out and replaced with plastic? The centre of Bristol ,Hospitals and University were all DC when we arrived in 74, one of my friends who worked for SWEB was in charge of conversion to AC. Those Bristol houses also had Rediffusion cable which enabled Radio reception of 6-8 stations . The cottage we now live in was rewired in 98, for a long time the FM radio reception would wobble when a tap was switched on, we had had a earth installed as the water mains were non conductive, the spark had driven an earth spike and had over tightened the bolt shearing the connection, so no earth. Film kit was mostly 12vdc, so no mains aggro, the sparks however had many anomalies to deal with, I remember a drama in Devon where a scaffold rig was 150 vac to earth, due to a dry earth spike. Nobody really understand Electricity, however an unexpected belt brings clarity to understanding, how did Tesla get away with his experiments ? Roger > On > 9 Sep 2020, at 08:39, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Talking of ?live? scaners, some ? many ? years ago we were doing a show from the Fairfield Halls in Croydon. > Went off for lunch or supper and came back to find people left in the scanner saying ?don?t touch? > One had gone out and coming back, grabbed the rear handrail and hot a shock. > Turned out there had been a fault with the generator or mains feed and the earth spike wasn?t earthing. > The riggers/electricians had correctly put the spike into the ground surrounding a tree next to the scanner but unfortunately the whole paved area we were on had a plastic waterproofing layer underneath so the neither the spike nor the standby one under the wheel was actually into earth. > > Don?t know about the USA but now in Canada the flat 2pin plugs are non-reversible in that one pin is wider than the other to maintain polarity safely with protective thingys inside houses. > When I brought a bit of kit back home here (some sort of video stuff I bought which is OK cos I have a mini 240/110 adaptor) I had to file down the wider pin. > > Mike > > From: Mike Giles > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2020 11:07 PM > To: Mike Jordan > Cc: Nick Ware ; Tech Ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Sep 9 04:37:10 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:37:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <7E0A1B65-AF07-43B4-BA29-855E0F273C30@mac.com> References: <19FB9C8A877C4461B12D751852486E32@Gigabyte> <7E0A1B65-AF07-43B4-BA29-855E0F273C30@mac.com> Message-ID: <58ad38cbd5davesound@btinternet.com> It's going to vary by country, but not all have one pole tied to earth as in the UK. Meaning both are 'live' as it were. Or not depending on how you look at it. In article <7E0A1B65-AF07-43B4-BA29-855E0F273C30 at mac.com>, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Just to refine the point, Mike, it wasn?t that you could put the plug > the wrong way round into our Mexican friends? sockets, because of the > earth pin, but the sockets were actually wired one way or the other, > depending on which way up the socket was screwed to the wall, but always > with the live on the right as far as we could discover. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Sep 9 04:42:14 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 10:42:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Mic with headphones In-Reply-To: <89D3C887-5EDA-47F4-A437-BF53AA28DC15@btinternet.com> References: <89D3C887-5EDA-47F4-A437-BF53AA28DC15@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58ad3943dddavesound@btinternet.com> Zoom often has pretty terrible audio links. Odd considering how little data audio takes compared to pictures. I bought a USB headset off Ebay for ?20. It has an thingie in its lead which lets you set the level, and mute the mics too. Not sure how robust it is - but has survived OK to date. IMHO, you pay a lot more for a known brand. Not sure if you get the extra value. In article <89D3C887-5EDA-47F4-A437-BF53AA28DC15 at btinternet.com>, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Anyone got any ideas for a quality Cheap microphone headset/ > Senheiser do one at over ?100 but that is too much as I have the Sony WH-CH500 Noise cancelling already. It?s the ability to record decent sound on the computer meetings like Zoom. > Best to all > Albert > -- -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 09:50:28 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 15:50:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Now is the time..... Message-ID: My daughter bought us a years membership of historic royal palaces for Christmas. This is the Disney queue for the Crown Jewels -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG-20200909-WA0010.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 256526 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Sep 9 10:01:06 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 16:01:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Now is the time..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ideal time to visit! Last time I went to the Tower was a Sunday afternoon in Pres A, nothing to do between lunchtime and evening weather forecasts, I visited a lot of galleries and museums that way. Graeme Wall > On 9 Sep 2020, at 15:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My daughter bought us a years membership of historic royal palaces for Christmas. This is the Disney queue for the Crown Jewels > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 10:04:03 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 16:04:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Now is the time..... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The whole place is really peaceful On Wed, 9 Sep 2020, 16:01 Graeme Wall, wrote: > Ideal time to visit! > > Last time I went to the Tower was a Sunday afternoon in Pres A, nothing to > do between lunchtime and evening weather forecasts, I visited a lot of > galleries and museums that way. > > Graeme Wall > > > On 9 Sep 2020, at 15:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ? > > My daughter bought us a years membership of historic royal palaces for > Christmas. This is the Disney queue for the Crown Jewels > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 17:36:02 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 23:36:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> References: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d686f9$9934c780$cb9e5680$@gmail.com> Part of the answer to my own question which came to me afterwards, is that the E stands for EARTH, using the earthing rod supplied on station. The details of it still eludes me and like an ear worm that you only hear an annoying repetitive part of, it would be nice to know how the process was intended to work as filling in the gaps sometimes helps to chase the worm away, Geoff On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:37, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: ?This talk of electric shocks reminds me of one of those trade test films that those of us who did attachments to Pres in the sixties would sit and watch in idle moments during afternoon close down (on BBC2?). I think it was aimed at engineers who worked on transmitters and instructed them what to do if someone touched a live conductor. It majored on the mnemonic SIDE - the first letter meaning Switch off the source but even though I saw it many times over I?ve struggled to remember what the other letters stand for, though Insulate or Isolate and Dump may have been two of them. Some of you may know, Albert or Bernie perhaps who lived there for longer than those of us who just did a three or six months stint? It may also trigger memories of the others of those films that were once so familiar due to their frequent showings, Geoff Hawkes Geoff On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:07, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 10 07:34:09 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:34:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <000001d686f9$9934c780$cb9e5680$@gmail.com> References: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> <000001d686f9$9934c780$cb9e5680$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f5a1d40.1c69fb81.109db.9df8@mx.google.com> In my freelance career, I frequently whizzed around Europe in my cameraman?s twin-engined Cessna. Occasionally refuelling en-route. Pulling up to the pumps (just like a car filling station), the attendants first of all clipped an earthing cable to the aircraft to dissipate the static charge which would have built up through flying through the air. (Don?t need sparks around highly-flammable fuel!). This reminds me of a sequence where Michael Crawford ? mad git that he was on insisting on doing his own stunts ? was dangling from a helicopter. An assistant director rushed to help him land and as soon as he grabbed him, got bowled over by a huge static discharge. Rubber gloves and wellie boots needed before earthing him! Wonder if the H & S risk assessment form has a section for that, now? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: 09 September 2020 23:36 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables Part of the answer to my own question which came to me afterwards, is that the E?stands for EARTH, using the earthing rod supplied on station. Geoff On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:37, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: ?This talk of electric shocks reminds me of one of those trade test films. I think it was aimed at engineers who worked on transmitters and instructed them what to do if someone touched a live conductor. It majored on the mnemonic SIDE?- the first letter meaning Switch off the source but even though I saw it many times over I?ve struggled to remember what the other letters stand for, though?Insulate?or Isolate and Dump?may have been two of them. Geoff -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 10 08:36:26 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:36:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <5f5a1d40.1c69fb81.109db.9df8@mx.google.com> References: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> <000001d686f9$9934c780$cb9e5680$@gmail.com>, <5f5a1d40.1c69fb81.109db.9df8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If the AD rushed over to help him land, that suggests that the helicopter was still airborne, and if he got bowled over it?s more likely it was the couple of tons of down thrust that toppled him. Earthing aircraft before refuelling is standard practice. A little thing that I find slightly odd is the way you say ?my cameraman? from time to time. I think it would be OK for him to call you ?my sound person/recordist?, etc., because he?s the crew leader and is also employing you! There?s nothing about him that?s yours. Is that fair comment, or is it just me? On the other hand though, it?s more concise than ?some random camera bod I was working with?. OK, we?ll go with ?my cameraman?! ?Your cameraman? and I once did a prog for Discovery Channel about the US Marines CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters. Part of that exercise was us and about thirty men being dropped off near the top of Snowdon. Our rapid descent was down 20ft of rope ladder, the chopper hovering above us. We were all pinned to the ground until it departed. Nobody was earthed or got an electric shock. Climbing back up half an hour later was about the hardest thing I?ve ever done! YouTube.com/watch?v=3L8Yk_9o7SM One of the most exciting bits was being refuelled in flight for the return journey to RAF Mildenhall. What fun! None of which has anything remotely to do with 13Amp power extension cables, but hey, who cares? Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 10 Sep 2020, at 13:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? In my freelance career, I frequently whizzed around Europe in my cameraman?s twin-engined Cessna. Occasionally refuelling en-route. Pulling up to the pumps (just like a car filling station), the attendants first of all clipped an earthing cable to the aircraft to dissipate the static charge which would have built up through flying through the air. (Don?t need sparks around highly-flammable fuel!). This reminds me of a sequence where Michael Crawford ? mad git that he was on insisting on doing his own stunts ? was dangling from a helicopter. An assistant director rushed to help him land and as soon as he grabbed him, got bowled over by a huge static discharge. Rubber gloves and wellie boots needed before earthing him! Wonder if the H & S risk assessment form has a section for that, now? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: 09 September 2020 23:36 To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables Part of the answer to my own question which came to me afterwards, is that the E stands for EARTH, using the earthing rod supplied on station. Geoff On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:37, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: ?This talk of electric shocks reminds me of one of those trade test films. I think it was aimed at engineers who worked on transmitters and instructed them what to do if someone touched a live conductor. It majored on the mnemonic SIDE - the first letter meaning Switch off the source but even though I saw it many times over I?ve struggled to remember what the other letters stand for, though Insulate or Isolate and Dump may have been two of them. Geoff ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Thu Sep 10 11:58:10 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:58:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: References: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> <000001d686f9$9934c780$cb9e5680$@gmail.com> <5f5a1d40.1c69fb81.109db.9df8@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <778D17A6-AD9B-4521-B645-45EC92B23FA3@btinternet.com> Static! When working on BBC 2 Nelsons Navy ?my cameraman? Chris Openshaw and I were dropped in and out of type 42 destroyers by Lynx and Puma helios. They always said beware of static , and signs were prominent. I was issued with an immersion suit way to small, always a struggle to get in to it and out and was bollocked for wearing a short scarf, it could blow into an engine intake they said. Great fun though choppers, always loved em , we flew a Chinook over a battalion of Chieftain tanks live firing underway on tortuous heathland in Hanover and over the Tigris marshes in a huge Mil Mi26 equipped with AK47 gun mounts for each window. Climbing with your kit was always a challenge, the worst for me boarding ships in the Bay of Biscay with a Navy boarding party, climbing up the rope sea ladder on a Trawler bucking in a gale , and the reverse at dusk in February. Hey ho It was a real mans life in the Regular Film Unit?... > On 10 Sep 2020, at 14:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > If the AD rushed over to help him land, that suggests that the helicopter was still airborne, and if he got bowled over it?s more likely it was the couple of tons of down thrust that toppled him. Earthing aircraft before refuelling is standard practice. > > A little thing that I find slightly odd is the way you say ?my cameraman? from time to time. I think it would be OK for him to call you ?my sound person/recordist?, etc., because he?s the crew leader and is also employing you! There?s nothing about him that?s yours. > Is that fair comment, or is it just me? On the other hand though, it?s more concise than ?some random camera bod I was working with?. OK, we?ll go with ?my cameraman?! > > ?Your cameraman? and I once did a prog for Discovery Channel about the US Marines CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters. Part of that exercise was us and about thirty men being dropped off near the top of Snowdon. Our rapid descent was down 20ft of rope ladder, the chopper hovering above us. We were all pinned to the ground until it departed. Nobody was earthed or got an electric shock. Climbing back up half an hour later was about the hardest thing I?ve ever done! > YouTube.com/watch?v=3L8Yk_9o7SM > One of the most exciting bits was being refuelled in flight for the return journey to RAF Mildenhall. What fun! > None of which has anything remotely to do with 13Amp power extension cables, but hey, who cares? > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 10 Sep 2020, at 13:34, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> In my freelance career, I frequently whizzed around Europe in my cameraman?s twin-engined Cessna. Occasionally refuelling en-route. >> Pulling up to the pumps (just like a car filling station), the attendants first of all clipped an earthing cable to the aircraft to dissipate the static charge which would have built up through flying through the air. (Don?t need sparks around highly-flammable fuel!). >> This reminds me of a sequence where Michael Crawford ? mad git that he was on insisting on doing his own stunts ? was dangling from a helicopter. An assistant director rushed to help him land and as soon as he grabbed him, got bowled over by a huge static discharge. Rubber gloves and wellie boots needed before earthing him! >> Wonder if the H & S risk assessment form has a section for that, now? >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 >> Sent: 09 September 2020 23:36 >> To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables >> >> Part of the answer to my own question which came to me afterwards, is that the E stands for EARTH, using the earthing rod supplied on station. Geoff >> >> >> On 8 Sep 2020, at 23:37, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?This talk of electric shocks reminds me of one of those trade test films. I think it was aimed at engineers who worked on transmitters and instructed them what to do if someone touched a live conductor. It majored on the mnemonic SIDE - the first letter meaning Switch off the source but even though I saw it many times over I?ve struggled to remember what the other letters stand for, though Insulate or Isolate and Dump may have been two of them. >> Geoff >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 10 15:25:28 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:25:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables In-Reply-To: <778D17A6-AD9B-4521-B645-45EC92B23FA3@btinternet.com> References: <5E6C25ED-88D1-4789-B0EE-079346FE7FFA@gmail.com> <000001d686f9$9934c780$cb9e5680$@gmail.com> <5f5a1d40.1c69fb81.109db.9df8@mx.google.com> <778D17A6-AD9B-4521-B645-45EC92B23FA3@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5f5a8bb9.1c69fb81.a63cb.0796@mx.google.com> I can?t top your stories, Roger, except to say that I flew in the Jet Ranger on Bond 007 The Spy Who Loved Me to pick up effects. My first ever heli ride was over the Sahara for The Little Prince. The chopper and pilot were provided by the Tunisian Air Force, and he resembled Omar Shrarif, all the ladies on the unit were overcome when he walked into the restaurant. I did fly from Aberdeen (in a Puma) to an offshore rig to re-make some footage for the fire safety video after the Piper Alpha disaster. Terrified ? they put us up overnight with a regular rig member in a cabin. Very sensible, as if anything dangerous occurred, he might have known what to do. Didn?t sleep a wink, but the grub was good. I was impressed with the ?check-in? since they needed to know my next of kin! While on the rig, I noticed the safety boat, circulating the rig. I felt for that crew ? very boring and bouncing around on the oggin! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 10 September 2020 17:58 To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] [gtc] recommend supplier 13 amp power extension cables Static! When working on BBC 2 Nelsons Navy ?my cameraman? Chris Openshaw and I were dropped in and out of type 42 destroyers ?by Lynx and Puma helios. They always said beware of static , and signs were prominent. 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He was told that his number had come up in relation to a positive case and he needed to get tested. To do this he was told to pay ?50 and he would be given a reference number for the test. When he asked where the contact was supposed to have taken place, he was told that they couldn?t tell him due to data protection. Hopefully all of you are savvy enough to recognise this, and any variation, as the scam it is. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.neill at icloud.com Sat Sep 12 10:40:03 2020 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 17:40:03 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] A new scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88B8F33E-EFDC-4B60-A5FD-FF470907D674@icloud.com> For what it?s worth, this article gives the only legit. number for test and trace. Of course, a sophisticated scammer can change the number that?s displayed on your phone. Peter Neill Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 12 Sep 2020, at 15:33, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > One of my friends has told me that he has received 4 phone calls this week purporting to be from track and trace. He was told that his number had come up in relation to a positive case and he needed to get tested. To do this he was told to pay ?50 and he would be given a reference number for the test. When he asked where the contact was supposed to have taken place, he was told that they couldn?t tell him due to data protection. > > Hopefully all of you are savvy enough to recognise this, and any variation, as the scam it is. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This from a website to mark the difference to Identify. The Spitfire has a distinctive elliptical wing. The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 To: Tech ops Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon ?? Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: F696959B15634E0391AEC454D8E048BD.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 23081 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The Hurricane has a > more regular wing that is rounded. > > The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! > > https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Graeme Wall via Tech1 > *Sent: *13 September 2020 17:51 > *To: *Tech ops > *Subject: *[Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey > > Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. > The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! > https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos > > Pat > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 > To: Tech ops > Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey > > Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Sep 14 01:59:58 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:59:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey In-Reply-To: <9626380F-F90D-4AFE-A94C-6E1242BDE838@icloud.com> References: <9626380F-F90D-4AFE-A94C-6E1242BDE838@icloud.com> Message-ID: Have a nose at: http://tinyurl.com/yxnavycr (nothing to be in doubt about here!) Nice Antiques Roadshow last night - and as for David Attenborough, just stunning, but will anybody listen and actually do anything about what has been obvious to even the simplest of minds for decades now? Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 14 Sep 2020, at 07:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ? It is definitely a Spitfire, Graeme Wall On 13 Sep 2020, at 22:26, patheigham wrote: ? Nice photo, but I wonder if it is actually a Hurricane. This from a website to mark the difference to Identify. The Spitfire has a distinctive elliptical wing. The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 To: Tech ops Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon ? Graeme Wall ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 14 02:00:04 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:00:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey In-Reply-To: <5f5e8e6b.1c69fb81.bbb60.5cc2@mx.google.com> References: <09382487-7F53-4CA3-8C26-19EEBD4CE328@icloud.com> <5f5e8e6b.1c69fb81.bbb60.5cc2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Definitely a Spitfire, but the angle that the picture was taken from, together with the dihedral angle of the wings disguises the elliptical wing shape to a certain extent and makes them look straighter in the middle portion. However the tailplane shape is shown very clearly and is clearly elliptical, while on the Hurricane, it's a similar tapered form to the wings. Alan Taylor On 13 Sep 2020, at 13 Sep . 22:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Nice photo, but I wonder if it is actually a Hurricane. > This from a website to mark the difference to Identify. > The Spitfire has a distinctive elliptical wing. The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. > The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! > https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos > > Pat > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 > Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 > To: Tech ops > Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey > > Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Sep 14 02:32:41 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:32:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey In-Reply-To: References: <09382487-7F53-4CA3-8C26-19EEBD4CE328@icloud.com> <5f5e8e6b.1c69fb81.bbb60.5cc2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6F58B4BE-89D6-4056-A3CE-EEC407E701B8@icloud.com> Here it is on approach, unfortunately I ony have a 200mm lens so it?s a bit grainy ? Graeme Wall > On 14 Sep 2020, at 08:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Definitely a Spitfire, but the angle that the picture was taken from, together with the dihedral angle of the wings disguises the elliptical wing shape to a certain extent and makes them look straighter in the middle portion. However the tailplane shape is shown very clearly and is clearly elliptical, while on the Hurricane, it's a similar tapered form to the wings. > > Alan Taylor > > > On 13 Sep 2020, at 13 Sep . 22:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > >> Nice photo, but I wonder if it is actually a Hurricane. >> This from a website to mark the difference to Identify. >> The Spitfire has a distinctive elliptical wing. The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. >> The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! >> https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 >> To: Tech ops >> Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey >> >> Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As it gathered speed, going round and round, enough lift was generated for it to ?take off?, then with a string attached to the brake, could be made to land again!. Happy days! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 14 September 2020 08:33 To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey Here it is on approach, unfortunately I ony have a 200mm lens so it?s a bit grainy ?? Graeme Wall On 14 Sep 2020, at 08:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Definitely a Spitfire, but the angle that the picture was taken from, together with the dihedral angle of the wings ?disguises the elliptical wing shape to a certain extent and makes them?look straighter in the middle portion. However the tailplane shape is shown very clearly and is clearly elliptical, while on the Hurricane, it's a similar tapered form to the wings.?? Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PR spit.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 580408 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 14 03:01:21 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 09:01:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey In-Reply-To: References: <9626380F-F90D-4AFE-A94C-6E1242BDE838@icloud.com> Message-ID: <320F04AF-2E8D-4716-ACB9-832EC43AAD67@me.com> Talking of Attenborough, some of you will have worked with him. I did a conservation discussion programme a couple of years ago involving three major speakers, Prince William, Bear Grylls and David Attenborough. Prince William turned up with a sheaf of papers and his speech was delivered word for word, reading from the papers, mostly with his head down and with minimal emotion. Bear Grylls had a large list of bullet points on a few sheets of paper.He was entertaining, but it was a succession of topics rather than a coherent talk. David Attenborough just shuffled onto stage without notes and spoke on-topic and engagingly with a proper start, middle and end. The entire audience were spellbound because he was clearly speaking from the heart, with passion. His performance reminded me of AJP Taylor's televised talks. AJPT just stood there and delivered exactly 28 minutes of spellbinding fascination, constructed just like telling a story. I had worked with Attenborough before and greatly admired him, but to see him in his 90's totally outclassing younger people who were very experienced public speakers boosted my respect for him even more. The problem with his message is that the people who most need to listen refuse to listen, both the affluent people in the west consuming disproportionate amounts of the planet's resources and the poor in the east who use endangered animals for traditional medicines. Alan Taylor On 14 Sep 2020, at 14 Sep . 07:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Have a nose at: http://tinyurl.com/yxnavycr (nothing to be in doubt about here!) > > Nice Antiques Roadshow last night - and as for David Attenborough, just stunning, but will anybody listen and actually do anything about what has been obvious to even the simplest of minds for decades now? > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 14 Sep 2020, at 07:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? It is definitely a Spitfire, >> >> Graeme Wall >> >>> On 13 Sep 2020, at 22:26, patheigham wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Nice photo, but I wonder if it is actually a Hurricane. >>> This from a website to mark the difference to Identify. >>> The Spitfire has a distinctive elliptical wing. The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. >>> The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! >>> https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>> Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 >>> To: Tech ops >>> Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey >>> >>> Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon >>> >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Sep 14 04:13:24 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 10:13:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey In-Reply-To: <320F04AF-2E8D-4716-ACB9-832EC43AAD67@me.com> References: <9626380F-F90D-4AFE-A94C-6E1242BDE838@icloud.com> <320F04AF-2E8D-4716-ACB9-832EC43AAD67@me.com> Message-ID: <9EE346DF-EB50-4CAC-81BC-62245F1BE67F@btinternet.com> Attenborough is indeed a genial and spellbinding communicator. I worked with him on and off for 20 yrs, and my friends even longer and we all loved him for his decency and humanity in trying circumstances. However we never heard his opinions on climate or extinction in those times. He once told me on a trip back from Suffolk in my Golf that he thought human beings more fascinating than animals, he was however an Anthropologist by training, anything he turns to is detailed and immersive, ie his love of music. The problem with Climate discussion is that the third World is to be denied their carbon resources that we used to power our Industrial Revolution. Technology is leaping forward to harness Renewable energy, this has to be installed in developing countries if we are to possibly slow the Greenhouse effect. Hopefully the ingenuity of Mankind will enable whole new industrial application and adaption, another of our traits, will facilitate population levels and future settlement. Roger > On 14 Sep 2020, at 09:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Talking of Attenborough, some of you will have worked with him. I did a conservation discussion programme a couple of years ago involving three major speakers, Prince William, Bear Grylls and David Attenborough. > > Prince William turned up with a sheaf of papers and his speech was delivered word for word, reading from the papers, mostly with his head down and with minimal emotion. Bear Grylls had a large list of bullet points on a few sheets of paper.He was entertaining, but it was a succession of topics rather than a coherent talk. David Attenborough just shuffled onto stage without notes and spoke on-topic and engagingly with a proper start, middle and end. The entire audience were spellbound because he was clearly speaking from the heart, with passion. His performance reminded me of AJP Taylor's televised talks. AJPT just stood there and delivered exactly 28 minutes of spellbinding fascination, constructed just like telling a story. > > I had worked with Attenborough before and greatly admired him, but to see him in his 90's totally outclassing younger people who were very experienced public speakers boosted my respect for him even more. > > The problem with his message is that the people who most need to listen refuse to listen, both the affluent people in the west consuming disproportionate amounts of the planet's resources and the poor in the east who use endangered animals for traditional medicines. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 14 Sep 2020, at 14 Sep . 07:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Have a nose at: http://tinyurl.com/yxnavycr (nothing to be in doubt about here!) >> >> Nice Antiques Roadshow last night - and as for David Attenborough, just stunning, but will anybody listen and actually do anything about what has been obvious to even the simplest of minds for decades now? >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 07:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ? It is definitely a Spitfire, >>> >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>>> On 13 Sep 2020, at 22:26, patheigham > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Nice photo, but I wonder if it is actually a Hurricane. >>>> This from a website to mark the difference to Identify. >>>> The Spitfire has a distinctive elliptical wing. The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. >>>> The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! >>>> https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 >>>> To: Tech ops >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey >>>> >>>> Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Sep 14 08:25:05 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:25:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey In-Reply-To: <9EE346DF-EB50-4CAC-81BC-62245F1BE67F@btinternet.com> References: <9EE346DF-EB50-4CAC-81BC-62245F1BE67F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9B5987FF-DC9A-4582-BC49-78722055F816@zero51.force9.co.uk> Briefly going back to Spitfires! Its a photo reconaissance version so almost certainly had the extended wings for seriously high flying. So well spotted Pat, it does look funny... Peter Fox On 14 Sep 2020, at 10:14, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: ?Attenborough is indeed a genial and spellbinding communicator. I worked with him on and off for 20 yrs, and my friends even longer and we all loved him for his decency and humanity in trying circumstances. However we never heard his opinions on climate or extinction in those times. He once told me on a trip back from Suffolk in my Golf that he thought human beings more fascinating than animals, he was however an Anthropologist by training, anything he turns to is detailed and immersive, ie his love of music. The problem with Climate discussion is that the third World is to be denied their carbon resources that we used to power our Industrial Revolution. Technology is leaping forward to harness Renewable energy, this has to be installed in developing countries if we are to possibly slow the Greenhouse effect. Hopefully the ingenuity of Mankind will enable whole new industrial application and adaption, another of our traits, will facilitate population levels and future settlement. Roger > On 14 Sep 2020, at 09:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Talking of Attenborough, some of you will have worked with him. I did a conservation discussion programme a couple of years ago involving three major speakers, Prince William, Bear Grylls and David Attenborough. > > Prince William turned up with a sheaf of papers and his speech was delivered word for word, reading from the papers, mostly with his head down and with minimal emotion. Bear Grylls had a large list of bullet points on a few sheets of paper.He was entertaining, but it was a succession of topics rather than a coherent talk. David Attenborough just shuffled onto stage without notes and spoke on-topic and engagingly with a proper start, middle and end. The entire audience were spellbound because he was clearly speaking from the heart, with passion. His performance reminded me of AJP Taylor's televised talks. AJPT just stood there and delivered exactly 28 minutes of spellbinding fascination, constructed just like telling a story. > > I had worked with Attenborough before and greatly admired him, but to see him in his 90's totally outclassing younger people who were very experienced public speakers boosted my respect for him even more. > > The problem with his message is that the people who most need to listen refuse to listen, both the affluent people in the west consuming disproportionate amounts of the planet's resources and the poor in the east who use endangered animals for traditional medicines. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 14 Sep 2020, at 14 Sep . 07:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Have a nose at: http://tinyurl.com/yxnavycr (nothing to be in doubt about here!) >> >> Nice Antiques Roadshow last night - and as for David Attenborough, just stunning, but will anybody listen and actually do anything about what has been obvious to even the simplest of minds for decades now? >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>>> On 14 Sep 2020, at 07:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? It is definitely a Spitfire, >>> >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>>>> On 13 Sep 2020, at 22:26, patheigham wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> Nice photo, but I wonder if it is actually a Hurricane. >>>> This from a website to mark the difference to Identify. >>>> The Spitfire has a distinctive elliptical wing. The Hurricane has a more regular wing that is rounded. >>>> The wings in your photo are more sharply pointed, so I?m confused! >>>> https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/30842/how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-spitfires-and-hurricanes-in-photos >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 13 September 2020 17:51 >>>> To: Tech ops >>>> Subject: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey >>>> >>>> Fly-past of the Royal Surreythis afternoon >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Sep 14 13:50:41 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 19:50:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rule of Six In-Reply-To: <5f5fb9f2.1c69fb81.7ed8c.f98f@mx.google.com> References: <5f5fb9f2.1c69fb81.7ed8c.f98f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6849A1D3-CE4F-45BC-AA69-9118EA4E3E6E@icloud.com> > On 14 Sep 2020, at 19:44, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Social gatherings of more than six people are now illegal in England as the coronavirus "rule of six" comes into force. > > The Seven Dwarfs have been advised, one of them is not Happy. > Pat > And Sneezy is self-isolating ? Graeme Wall From waresound at msn.com Mon Sep 14 15:44:21 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:44:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rule of Six In-Reply-To: <6849A1D3-CE4F-45BC-AA69-9118EA4E3E6E@icloud.com> References: <5f5fb9f2.1c69fb81.7ed8c.f98f@mx.google.com>, <6849A1D3-CE4F-45BC-AA69-9118EA4E3E6E@icloud.com> Message-ID: There are only six dwarfs. Doc Is only available by telephone appointment. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 14 Sep 2020, at 19:51, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ? >> On 14 Sep 2020, at 19:44, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Social gatherings of more than six people are now illegal in England as the coronavirus "rule of six" comes into force. >> >> The Seven Dwarfs have been advised, one of them is not Happy. >> Pat >> > > And Sneezy is self-isolating > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Sep 14 16:01:20 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:01:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rule of Six In-Reply-To: <6849A1D3-CE4F-45BC-AA69-9118EA4E3E6E@icloud.com> References: <5f5fb9f2.1c69fb81.7ed8c.f98f@mx.google.com> <6849A1D3-CE4F-45BC-AA69-9118EA4E3E6E@icloud.com> Message-ID: Picture evidence attached! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 7:50 PM To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rule of Six > On 14 Sep 2020, at 19:44, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Social gatherings of more than six people are now illegal in England as > the coronavirus "rule of six" comes into force. > > The Seven Dwarfs have been advised, one of them is not Happy. > Pat > And Sneezy is self-isolating ? Graeme Wall -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Stay at home except Sneezy.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 61221 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Sep 14 16:13:55 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:13:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rule of Six In-Reply-To: References: <5f5fb9f2.1c69fb81.7ed8c.f98f@mx.google.com>, <6849A1D3-CE4F-45BC-AA69-9118EA4E3E6E@icloud.com> Message-ID: Don't joke! When I received my confirmatory text about my Flu jab, it said that this was just a telephone appointment and so I prepared to do-it-myself! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:44 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rule of Six There are only six dwarfs. Doc Is only available by telephone appointment. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 14 17:01:42 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 23:01:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rule of Six In-Reply-To: <54f2444d-6fd9-44ad-9e83-6f103f9fb95f@me.com> References: <5f5fb9f2.1c69fb81.7ed8c.f98f@mx.google.com> <54f2444d-6fd9-44ad-9e83-6f103f9fb95f@me.com> Message-ID: <5f5fe846.1c69fb81.c4eb5.46c4@mx.google.com> Don?t know too much about game shooting ? target stuff at Bisley wrecked my hearing, (tinnitus) but I did get offered a job by the Canadian Toronto Armed Response Unit when I managed a very tight group on their indoor range with an MP5! I politely declined, explaining I preferred to fire at something that wasn?t likely to shoot back! There is a great difference between target shooting and aiming at moving game ? but the first time I had a go at clays, I hit three out of five ? well-pleased! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: William Nuttall Sent: 14 September 2020 19:48 To: patheigham Subject: Re:?[Tech1] Rule of Six Hi Pat,? The only solution would be to take up Shooting, seems to work for some people. Tony Nuttall in the Wild Shooting Zones of Cumbria! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 15 04:41:59 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 10:41:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Rule of Six In-Reply-To: References: <5f5fb9f2.1c69fb81.7ed8c.f98f@mx.google.com>, <6849A1D3-CE4F-45BC-AA69-9118EA4E3E6E@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5f608c66.1c69fb81.1b83a.dcc5@mx.google.com> Very good, Nick! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 14 September 2020 21:44 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Rule of Six There are only six dwarfs. Doc Is only available by telephone appointment. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 14 Sep 2020, at 19:51, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ? >> On 14 Sep 2020, at 19:44, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Social gatherings of more than six people are now illegal in England as the coronavirus "rule of six" comes into force. >> >> The Seven Dwarfs have been advised, one of them is not Happy. >> Pat >> > > And Sneezy is self-isolating > > ? > Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And - several days of hard labour later - new gates (from Kudos fencing).? And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the successful artisan. Normally I'd say if you are passing drop in for coffee, but? currently I'd have to ask you to strip so I could spray you down with the disinfectant hose. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gates_small.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 447335 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Sep 16 12:44:29 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 18:44:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> Message-ID: Some people would pay good money for that! Nice gates by the way. ? Graeme Wall > On 16 Sep 2020, at 18:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > We've been "the white gates opposite Holm Close" for many years, but the big gates finally succumbed to road salt and general decay. So I took the chain saw to them, and they are no more. > > And - several days of hard labour later - new gates (from Kudos fencing). And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the successful artisan. Normally I'd say if you are passing drop in for coffee, but currently I'd have to ask you to strip so I could spray you down with the disinfectant hose. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Wed Sep 16 17:59:36 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 23:59:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> Interestingly, our current house was called "White Gates" before we bought it, but they were ugly metal farm gates, unlike your works of art, Bernie. Our solution was to remove one gate altogether and widen the drive entrance and to cover the other pedestrian gate in feather board. Naturally, this required a change of name for the house ~ we chose ?Winterberry" as we have several hollies, not to mention hordes of pyracantha, and although we did it through the formal process via the local authority, even before we moved in, it took years for every store?s database to be updated. Now everybody has Winterberry as our address, except for OpenReach, who say they never change an address from the one which applied at the time of the phone line installation, and Sainsbury?s delivery service, which shows White Gates on the order acknowledgement, although I never gave them that name, but refers to Winterberry everywhere else! I have asked Open Reach what they do when a street is renumbered, because there would then be enormous scope for confusion, but they haven?t got an answer. Mike G > On 16 Sep 2020, at 18:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > We've been "the white gates opposite Holm Close" for many years, but the big gates finally succumbed to road salt and general decay. So I took the chain saw to them, and they are no more. > > And - several days of hard labour later - new gates (from Kudos fencing). And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the successful artisan. Normally I'd say if you are passing drop in for coffee, but currently I'd have to ask you to strip so I could spray you down with the disinfectant hose. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 17 02:31:52 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 08:31:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> Message-ID: <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> When I bought my previous house, the deeds revealed that it was originally named, not numbered. It appears that builders bought plots of land and built houses, some detached, others semi and a few were built on double sized plots. All the houses were given names when they were built and then three or four years later, when the houses had all been finished, the Post Office came along and numbered the houses according to what was actually there. In my village the houses mostly have names, but on Main Street, five of them have numbers - as Eric Morcambe said, " ... but not necessarily in the right order" . Driving along the road from west to east, you first encounter no 8 on the right, with no 5 three doors further on the right, ten houses later is number 6 on the left, with number 1 opposite it on the right, with number 10 a bit further along on the left. Due to the way that the entrances are placed, the first road on the right has two no 5's opposite each other. One of them is correctly in that road, while the other is technically in the main lane. As anybody who has had to find a named house will know, it can be very frustrating as there is no logical sequence to the names, while the names might not be very visible. In our village, I created a map of village house names and made it available to everybody in electronic form, or printed for those who are less digitally minded. It's on the village Facebook group as a downloadable file. Most people keep a copy of it on their phone and if you see a delivery driver stopped and talking to a passer by, you are likely to see them consult their phone and point the driver in the right direction. At the time, no online maps showed our village house names and those that now do include the false one that I included, so I know exactly where they got their list of names from. You won't be able to discern it in the jpeg version of the map, but in the proper version, there is also a very low-contrast copyright notice on the church which can only be seen when zoomed right in, here's a close up, which might be visible when e-mailed - i'm not sure without trying it. This is the stylised map I made, unnecessary details were omitted to improve clarity ( this copy is a very low quality jpeg to save bandwidth, the real version is nice and crisp when printed on A4 paper ). I was inspired to do it after the Parish Council decided that a working party should commission such a map. More than a year later, no progress seemed to have been made and we were assured that it was quite a challenging task ( according to the graphic designer who chairs the PC ). Feeling very unimpressed with that excuse, I walked through the village noting the house names and the first draught was ready that night. A few villagers offered corrections and omissions, the local postman popped round for a cup of tea after his shift and pointed out a few other details. Within a week the whole thing was done and dusted before the Parish Council had even got round to voting on what colour to draw the road. Alan Taylor On 16 Sep 2020, at 16 Sep . 23:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Interestingly, our current house was called "White Gates" before we bought it, but they were ugly metal farm gates, unlike your works of art, Bernie. Our solution was to remove one gate altogether and widen the drive entrance and to cover the other pedestrian gate in feather board. Naturally, this required a change of name for the house ~ we chose ?Winterberry" as we have several hollies, not to mention hordes of pyracantha, and although we did it through the formal process via the local authority, even before we moved in, it took years for every store?s database to be updated. Now everybody has Winterberry as our address, except for OpenReach, who say they never change an address from the one which applied at the time of the phone line installation, and Sainsbury?s delivery service, which shows White Gates on the order acknowledgement, although I never gave them that name, but refers to Winterberry everywhere else! > > I have asked Open Reach what they do when a street is renumbered, because there would then be enormous scope for confusion, but they haven?t got an answer. > > Mike G > >> On 16 Sep 2020, at 18:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> We've been "the white gates opposite Holm Close" for many years, but the big gates finally succumbed to road salt and general decay. So I took the chain saw to them, and they are no more. >> >> And - several days of hard labour later - new gates (from Kudos fencing). And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the successful artisan. Normally I'd say if you are passing drop in for coffee, but currently I'd have to ask you to strip so I could spray you down with the disinfectant hose. >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ?.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 15869 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: agnhdcpfhdnfibgm.png Type: image/png Size: 81312 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 05:31:06 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 11:31:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> Message-ID: Hi all, When I was preparing to visit Japan on business (was back in 1999 !! ) to meet with Alphaomega Soft, (an affiliate of Fujitsu), I was totally baffled by the Japanese addressing system. No street names.? Blocks often have an irregular shape, and block identifiers? are usually assigned in order of registration,? so that in? older areas of the city they do not run in a linear order.? ? You also have plot identifiers, again these do not run in any linear order! It is a very complex system (far more involved? than noted above!). The underground system was fine!? I had gone out with a trainer, and this guy was extremely sceptical about using the underground - how will we know our station? - but I chided him into a trip.? No problems. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 17 06:28:24 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:28:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> Message-ID: I did a documentary in Los Angeles and we needed to visit a number of private dwellings while driving a hire car. we assumed that it would be a doddle to find anywhere because the roads were essentially a grid system and many of them were several miles long. We were given an address such a 1129 Tech Ops Avenue, easily found the correct avenue, but the house numbers didn't go anywhere near as high. It took us quite a while to work out that if something like a park seems to mark the end of that road, they continue the other side of the park aligning with the first part of that road and using exactly the same name, with the numbers carrying on in sequence.. Alan Taylor On 17 Sep 2020, at 17 Sep . 11:31, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > When I was preparing to visit Japan on business (was back in 1999 !! ) to meet with Alphaomega Soft, (an affiliate of Fujitsu), I was totally baffled by the Japanese addressing system. > > No street names. Blocks often have an irregular shape, and block identifiers are usually assigned in order of registration, so that in older areas of the city they do not run in a linear order. You also have plot identifiers, again these do not run in any linear order! > > It is a very complex system (far more involved than noted above!). > > The underground system was fine! I had gone out with a trainer, and this guy was extremely sceptical about using the underground - how will we know our station? - but I chided him into a trip. No problems. > > > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From tony.briselden at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 06:49:35 2020 From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:49:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> Message-ID: Very interested in your solution of a map to show houses with their names. We have a similar situation in our village. In 1950/60 an estate was built but these all have house numbers. It has been extended but naturally enough new properties have numbers. However the ?original? village was all house names. Post codes help but of course a code covers several houses and this isn?t a perfect solution. And we have some large areas covered by one code and the houses are well separated. I am tempted to try and do the same as you and produce a suitable map because our Parish Council has never thought of it although it might be worth mentioning. However if they like the idea they would probably say they can?t afford it! So perhaps I?ve got a new project ahead. Tony B On 17 Sep 2020, 08:32 +0100, Alan Taylor via Tech1 , wrote: > When I bought my previous house, the deeds revealed that it was originally named, not numbered. ?It appears that builders bought plots of land and built houses, some detached, others semi and a few were built on double sized plots. All the houses were given names when they were built and then three or four years later, when the houses had all been finished, the Post Office came along and numbered the houses according to what was actually there. > > In my village the houses mostly have names, but on Main Street, five of them have numbers - as Eric Morcambe ?said, " ... but not necessarily in the right order" . ?Driving along the road from west to east, you first encounter no 8 on the right, with no 5 three doors further on the right, ten houses later is number 6 on the left, with number 1 opposite it on the right, with number 10 a bit further along on the left. > > Due to the way that the entrances are placed, the first road on the right has two no 5's opposite each other. ?One of them is correctly in that road, while the other is technically in the main lane. > > As anybody who has had to find a named house will know, it can be very frustrating as there is no logical sequence to the names, while the names might not be very visible. ?In our village, I created a map of village house names and made it available to everybody in electronic form, or printed for those who are less digitally minded. ?It's on the village Facebook group as a downloadable file. ?Most people keep a copy of it on their phone and if you see a delivery driver stopped and talking to a passer by, you are likely to see them consult their phone and point the driver in the right direction. > > At the time, no online maps showed our village house names and those that now do include the false one that I included, so I know exactly where they got their list of names from. ?You won't be able to discern it in the jpeg version of the map, but in the proper version, there is also a very low-contrast copyright notice on the church which can only be seen when zoomed right in, here's a close up, which might be visible when e-mailed - i'm not sure without trying it. > > > > > > This is the stylised map I made, unnecessary details were omitted to improve clarity ( ?this copy is a very low quality jpeg to save bandwidth, the real version is nice and crisp when printed on A4 paper ). > > > > > I was inspired to do it after the Parish Council decided that a working party should commission such a map. ?More than a year later, no progress seemed to have been made and we were assured that it was quite a challenging task ( according to the graphic designer who chairs the PC ). ?Feeling very unimpressed with that excuse, I walked through the village noting the house names and the first draught was ready that night. ?A few villagers offered corrections and omissions, the local postman popped round for a cup of tea after his shift and pointed out a few other details. ?Within a week the whole thing was done and dusted before the Parish Council had even got round to voting on what colour to draw the road. > > Alan Taylor > > > > On 16 Sep 2020, at 16 Sep . 23:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > > Interestingly, our current house was called "White Gates" before we bought it, but they were ugly metal farm gates, unlike your works of art, Bernie. Our solution was to remove one gate altogether and widen the drive entrance and to cover the other pedestrian gate in feather board. Naturally, this required a change of name for the house ~ we chose ?Winterberry" as we have several hollies, not to mention hordes of pyracantha, and although we did it through the formal process via the local authority, even before we moved in, it took years for every store?s database to be updated. Now everybody has Winterberry as our address, except for OpenReach, who say they never change an address from the one which applied at the time of the phone line installation, and Sainsbury?s delivery service, which shows White Gates on the order acknowledgement, although I never gave them that name, but refers to Winterberry everywhere else! > > > > I have asked Open Reach what they do when a street is renumbered, because there would then be enormous scope for confusion, but they haven?t got an answer. > > > > Mike G > > > > > On 16 Sep 2020, at 18:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > We've been "the white gates opposite Holm Close" for many years, but the big gates finally succumbed to road salt and general decay. So I took the chain saw to them, and they are no more. > > > > > > And - several days of hard labour later - new gates (from Kudos fencing).? And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the successful artisan. Normally I'd say if you are passing drop in for coffee, but? currently I'd have to ask you to strip so I could spray you down with the disinfectant hose. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tech1 mailing list > > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Thu Sep 17 07:12:51 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:12:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: While we were house hunting here, I splashed out for the large scale OS map of the town (1:2500 or 1:1250 I think). That has most of the house names and numbers on it: very helpful in finding properties in this town where little cottages are built in back gardens.?John Nottage?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Tony Briselden via Tech1 Date: 17/09/2020 12:49 (GMT+00:00) To: Alan Taylor , tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Hard work Very interested in your solution of a map to show houses with their names. We have a similar situation in our village. In 1950/60 an estate was built but these all have house numbers. It has been extended but naturally enough new properties have numbers. However the ?original? village was all house names. Post codes help but of course a code covers several houses and this isn?t a perfect solution. And we have some large areas covered by one code and the houses are well separated.? I am tempted to try and do the same as you and produce a suitable map because our Parish Council has never thought of it although it might be worth mentioning. However if they like the idea they would probably say they can?t afford it! So perhaps I?ve got a new project ahead. Tony B On 17 Sep 2020, 08:32 +0100, Alan Taylor via Tech1 , wrote: When I bought my previous house, the deeds revealed that it was originally named, not numbered. ?It appears that builders bought plots of land and built houses, some detached, others semi and a few were built on double sized plots. All the houses were given names when they were built and then three or four years later, when the houses had all been finished, the Post Office came along and numbered the houses according to what was actually there. In my village the houses mostly have names, but on Main Street, five of them have numbers - as Eric Morcambe ?said, " ... but not necessarily in the right order" . ?Driving along the road from west to east, you first encounter no 8 on the right, with no 5 three doors further on the right, ten houses later is number 6 on the left, with number 1 opposite it on the right, with number 10 a bit further along on the left.? Due to the way that the entrances are placed, the first road on the right has two no 5's opposite each other. ?One of them is correctly in that road, while the other is technically in the main lane. As anybody who has had to find a named house will know, it can be very frustrating as there is no logical sequence to the names, while the names might not be very visible. ?In our village, I created a map of village house names and made it available to everybody in electronic form, or printed for those who are less digitally minded. ?It's on the village Facebook group as a downloadable file. ?Most people keep a copy of it on their phone and if you see a delivery driver stopped and talking to a passer by, you are likely to see them consult their phone and point the driver in the right direction.? At the time, no online maps showed our village house names and those that now do include the false one that I included, so I know exactly where they got their list of names from. ?You won't be able to discern it in the jpeg version of the map, but in the proper version, there is also a very low-contrast copyright notice on the church which can only be seen when zoomed right in, here's a close up, which might be visible when e-mailed - i'm not sure without trying it. This is the stylised map I made, unnecessary details were omitted to improve clarity ( ?this copy is a very low quality jpeg to save bandwidth, the real version is nice and crisp when printed on A4 paper ). I was inspired to do it after the Parish Council decided that a working party should commission such a map. ?More than a year later, no progress seemed to have been made and we were assured that it was quite a challenging task ( according to the graphic designer who chairs the PC ). ?Feeling very unimpressed with that excuse, I walked through the village noting the house names and the first draught was ready that night. ?A few villagers offered corrections and omissions, the local postman popped round for a cup of tea after his shift and pointed out a few other details. ?Within a week the whole thing was done and dusted before the Parish Council had even got round to voting on what colour to draw the road. ? Alan Taylor On 16 Sep 2020, at 16 Sep . 23:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Interestingly, our current house was called "White Gates" before we bought it, but they were ugly metal farm gates, unlike your works of art, Bernie. Our solution was to remove one gate altogether and widen the drive entrance and to cover the other pedestrian gate in feather board. Naturally, this required a change of name for the house ~ we chose ?Winterberry" as we have several hollies, not to mention hordes of pyracantha, and although we did it through the formal process via the local authority, even before we moved in, it took years for every store?s database to be updated. Now everybody has Winterberry as our address, except for OpenReach, who say they never change an address from the one which applied at the time of the phone line installation, and Sainsbury?s delivery service, which shows White Gates on the order acknowledgement, although I never gave them that name, but refers to Winterberry everywhere else! I have asked Open Reach what they do when a street is renumbered, because there would then be enormous scope for confusion, but they haven?t got an answer. Mike G On 16 Sep 2020, at 18:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: We've been "the white gates opposite Holm Close" for many years, but the big gates finally succumbed to road salt and general decay. So I took the chain saw to them, and they are no more. And - several days of hard labour later - new gates (from Kudos fencing).? And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the successful artisan. Normally I'd say if you are passing drop in for coffee, but? currently I'd have to ask you to strip so I could spray you down with the disinfectant hose. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Sep 17 08:17:22 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:17:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> Message-ID: <58b16ba523davesound@btinternet.com> My brother has an old house in the middle of a new(ish) development. It was the original manse - a new one built in the old grounds. It has its own postcode. In article , Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote: > Very interested in your solution of a map to show houses with their names. We have a similar situation in our village. In 1950/60 an estate was built but these all have house numbers. It has been extended but naturally enough new properties have numbers. However the ?original? village was all house names. Post codes help but of course a code covers several houses and this isn?t a perfect solution. And we have some large areas covered by one code and the houses are well separated. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 17 09:03:05 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:03:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> Message-ID: <561FC25E-4CB1-48EC-A213-9D519B6AB31E@me.com> If you're planning a similar map, you can use the GPO Postcode checker to list all the houses with the same postcode and then check whether you have missed any. As each postcode can cover forty or so properties, a small village only uses a few postcodes. Like many other projects, planning pays dividends. If you use a graphics application which supports layers, it's easy to keep track of each element and then restyle them or shift them if elements get in each other's way. If the finished map has to fit on a sheet of A4, you need to think carefully about the font size and general layout in order to fit it all on in a legible manner. Relatively new developments tend to have houses close together and you might need to find a creative way of fitting the information in the space available, but in our village, the 'new' houses are about 30 years old and mostly have numbers anyway. It's a conservation area, so there shouldn't be any new developments. I felt that road names would be known by most people and labelled them in a very small type size,otherwise the road would need to be drawn thicker in order to accommodate bigger writing. To get the line around the edge of the road, I drew the road in yellow as a thick line with rounded ends, using vector drawing tools to give smooth lines. I then got the drawing app to trace a very fine red border ( often called a Stroke ) around it. That's how I got the nice rounded ends at each dead end. For the lane through the village, I edited out the ends to imply that the road continues. When I started out, I thought that downloading OpenMaps and adding house names would be the easiest solution, but there was too much clutter. Representing each house with a simple dot made for much improved clarity. By taking liberties with the scale in places, I was able to fit it all on one sheet, whereas a true linear map would not fit so well, but my map still looks correct. Some of my neighbours wanted a version of the map with people's names as well, but I think there's a privacy issue there and it would need regular updating as people move. My solution to that was to do a second version of the map with a superimposed grid. For those who want a list of names and house names, they have complied a simple alphabetical list of surnames, so that they can see Mr Priest lives at the Vicarage, which is in square C4. The list of names, houses and squares is kept private, is strictly opt-in and never posted online. It's handwritten and photocopied, which is believed to circumvent any GDPR issues. I used Pixelmator for most of the work. It's very affordable, designed exclusively for Macs ( and iPads ) and is very versatile with a lot of high-end features. I highly recommend it and would certainly suggest that users should try it and see if it works for them before parting with big bucks for Photoshop. As I previously mentioned, the Parish Council talked about doing this, but it was merely talk. I'm not the sort of person who has the patience for committees and it seemed much easier to just go out, make a map and present it as a fait accompli. The finished map was printed out and given to doctor's surgeries so that they could quickly find places. Our doc said that he wished all villages had something like that for when he is called out in the night and there is nobody around to ask directions. Alan Taylor On 17 Sep 2020, at 17 Sep . 12:49, Tony Briselden wrote: > Very interested in your solution of a map to show houses with their names. We have a similar situation in our village. In 1950/60 an estate was built but these all have house numbers. It has been extended but naturally enough new properties have numbers. However the ?original? village was all house names. Post codes help but of course a code covers several houses and this isn?t a perfect solution. And we have some large areas covered by one code and the houses are well separated. > > I am tempted to try and do the same as you and produce a suitable map because our Parish Council has never thought of it although it might be worth mentioning. However if they like the idea they would probably say they can?t afford it! > > So perhaps I?ve got a new project ahead. > > Tony B > On 17 Sep 2020, 08:32 +0100, Alan Taylor via Tech1 , wrote: >> When I bought my previous house, the deeds revealed that it was originally named, not numbered. It appears that builders bought plots of land and built houses, some detached, others semi and a few were built on double sized plots. All the houses were given names when they were built and then three or four years later, when the houses had all been finished, the Post Office came along and numbered the houses according to what was actually there. >> >> In my village the houses mostly have names, but on Main Street, five of them have numbers - as Eric Morcambe said, " ... but not necessarily in the right order" . Driving along the road from west to east, you first encounter no 8 on the right, with no 5 three doors further on the right, ten houses later is number 6 on the left, with number 1 opposite it on the right, with number 10 a bit further along on the left. >> >> Due to the way that the entrances are placed, the first road on the right has two no 5's opposite each other. One of them is correctly in that road, while the other is technically in the main lane. >> >> As anybody who has had to find a named house will know, it can be very frustrating as there is no logical sequence to the names, while the names might not be very visible. In our village, I created a map of village house names and made it available to everybody in electronic form, or printed for those who are less digitally minded. It's on the village Facebook group as a downloadable file. Most people keep a copy of it on their phone and if you see a delivery driver stopped and talking to a passer by, you are likely to see them consult their phone and point the driver in the right direction. >> >> At the time, no online maps showed our village house names and those that now do include the false one that I included, so I know exactly where they got their list of names from. You won't be able to discern it in the jpeg version of the map, but in the proper version, there is also a very low-contrast copyright notice on the church which can only be seen when zoomed right in, here's a close up, which might be visible when e-mailed - i'm not sure without trying it. >> >> >> >> >> >> This is the stylised map I made, unnecessary details were omitted to improve clarity ( this copy is a very low quality jpeg to save bandwidth, the real version is nice and crisp when printed on A4 paper ). >> >> >> >> >> I was inspired to do it after the Parish Council decided that a working party should commission such a map. More than a year later, no progress seemed to have been made and we were assured that it was quite a challenging task ( according to the graphic designer who chairs the PC ). Feeling very unimpressed with that excuse, I walked through the village noting the house names and the first draught was ready that night. A few villagers offered corrections and omissions, the local postman popped round for a cup of tea after his shift and pointed out a few other details. Within a week the whole thing was done and dusted before the Parish Council had even got round to voting on what colour to draw the road. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> On 16 Sep 2020, at 16 Sep . 23:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> Interestingly, our current house was called "White Gates" before we bought it, but they were ugly metal farm gates, unlike your works of art, Bernie. Our solution was to remove one gate altogether and widen the drive entrance and to cover the other pedestrian gate in feather board. Naturally, this required a change of name for the house ~ we chose ?Winterberry" as we have several hollies, not to mention hordes of pyracantha, and although we did it through the formal process via the local authority, even before we moved in, it took years for every store?s database to be updated. Now everybody has Winterberry as our address, except for OpenReach, who say they never change an address from the one which applied at the time of the phone line installation, and Sainsbury?s delivery service, which shows White Gates on the order acknowledgement, although I never gave them that name, but refers to Winterberry everywhere else! >>> >>> I have asked Open Reach what they do when a street is renumbered, because there would then be enormous scope for confusion, but they haven?t got an answer. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 16 Sep 2020, at 18:39, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> We've been "the white gates opposite Holm Close" for many years, but the big gates finally succumbed to road salt and general decay. So I took the chain saw to them, and they are no more. >>>> >>>> And - several days of hard labour later - new gates (from Kudos fencing). And here, ladies and gentlemen, is the successful artisan. 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URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 17 09:49:10 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:49:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Hard work In-Reply-To: <58b16ba523davesound@btinternet.com> References: <4b49fa58-988f-7768-8f24-3c2a2a9bc41c@gmail.com> <8EA59DFD-3570-464D-92DA-BBBBB0CE1C3B@mac.com> <4C12E365-53B1-45F4-BBD1-C3C2DB5FAD46@me.com> , <58b16ba523davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: We re-named our last house soon after we moved in (37 years ago!). It had been called ?Crendon? - we re-named it ?The Ware-house?. The re-naming was less complex than we expected, and all who needed to know very soon did. That was fine, except that less bright delivery drivers would phone and say: ?Where are you? I?ve been driving up and down Portsmouth Road for 45 minutes, and can?t see a warehouse?. The inclusion of the hyphen was too subtle for some. Others would knock on the door, having spotted our surname and say something along the lines of: ?That must fool a lot of people?. And of course it did - for 35 years! I always said that as long as the envelopes with cheques in got to us safely, I probably didn?t care about the rest. Now, there are no Wares living there, and I gather the confusion still persists, only more so, particularly as there are a number of actual warehouses in the vicinity now. But, once everyone started to have satnavs, the problem was partly solved as the postcode GU23 7DB was exclusive, and put you right outside the front door. While we were (Ware) house-hunting, we came very close to buying what had once been the spacious two storey servants? wing of a castle near Pulborough. Timing didn?t quite mesh with our buyer, unfortunately. The address in itself was enough to persuade me it was for us: No1, Beedings Castle! I would have taken huge delight in inviting guests to enter the grand gateway, and drive up several hundred yards of impressive tree lined driveway past the formal gardens, up to the magnificent facade of the castle! The main building had been divided up into six luxurious apartments, and although they had all seen a succession of owners, only two were actually occupied. The estate agent unashamedly told us: ?People don?t buy them to live in?. I should have guessed that. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 17 Sep 2020, at 14:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My brother has an old house in the middle of a new(ish) development. It > was the original manse - a new one built in the old grounds. > > It has its own postcode. > > > In article , > Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote: >> Very interested in your solution of a map to show houses with their names. We have a similar situation in our village. In 1950/60 an estate was built but these all have house numbers. It has been extended but naturally enough new properties have numbers. However the "original. village was all house names. Post codes help but of course a code covers several houses and this isn't a perfect solution. And we have some large areas covered by one code and the houses are well separated. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 10:01:06 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:01:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating Message-ID: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> My house is called Coree. I have no idea why, and neither does anyone else? - Colin and Rene perhaps?? It seemed too much like? hard work to change it when we moved in. Perhaps it's time to update postcodes to What 3 Words - https://what3words.com/dine.care.unless? is very accurate. Meanwhile, having updated my gates, I've just updated my computer.? DaVinci Resolve is always saying I need 32Gb, so I've just put in a couple of extra sticks of Corsair Vengeance XLP. That'll show them!? And no sooner had I done that, than DVR asked me to download 16.2.7.?? I only just put in 16.2.5. They don't hang about, these Australians. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 17 10:29:36 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:29:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> References: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> Message-ID: Around here (Cranleigh) a surprising number of houses are named after the trees they have in their gardens. Ours is Copper Beech. (I only fully appreciated the size of it when we had it pollarded a few months ago). Maybe Coree is short for ?Conker tree?? I should imagine that converting Google Maps, Google Earth, etc., to What3words would be a humongous task. Probably worthwhile though, as 5G is allegedly going to make navigation far more accurate. Not that I can see any reason why you might want to navigate to our downstairs loo or my wine store ....ah, maybe! Modern youth seems to like abbreviations like that. My wife, Judi and I are known as Nudi; daughter Hannah and her fianc? Sam are Ham, etc..... Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 17 Sep 2020, at 16:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? My house is called Coree. I have no idea why, and neither does anyone else - Colin and Rene perhaps? It seemed too much like hard work to change it when we moved in. Perhaps it's time to update postcodes to What 3 Words - https://what3words.com/dine.care.unless is very accurate. Meanwhile, having updated my gates, I've just updated my computer. DaVinci Resolve is always saying I need 32Gb, so I've just put in a couple of extra sticks of Corsair Vengeance XLP. That'll show them! And no sooner had I done that, than DVR asked me to download 16.2.7. I only just put in 16.2.5. They don't hang about, these Australians. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 17 11:03:43 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 17:03:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> References: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> Message-ID: Nick's tale about the wing of the apartment near Pulborough reminded me of the time when I considered taking a long lease on part of a stately pile. It looked fabulous, the proportions of the rooms were wonderful and the views over parkland were to die for. Suspecting that adjacent portions might be AirBnB lets or something similar, I took the opportunity to chat with the guy who lived in one. I've never spotted so many red flags in one short conversation. He was very pleasant, indeed welcoming, but his attitude strongly suggested that he would be a nightmare neighbour. When I decided not to buy and delicately mentioned to the vendor about that neighbour, she confided that she knew what I meant as he was one of the reasons they were moving and that others had moved on for similar reasons. Nick's other tale of the houses named after trees also rings a bell, partly because my son recently sold a place called Rowan House., but mainly because there once was a funny topic on Gardener's Question Time when a hotelier brought in a cutting from a quince tree which had never fruited. The tree was quite imposing and the hotel was named after it. The expert, probably Bob Flowerdew, said that he knew exactly why it had never fruited and that he can guarantee that it never will. He went on to ask if the guy might fancy the idea of changing the name of his hotel because it definitely wasn't a quince tree. I'd be failing in my duties when talking about house names if I didn't lower the tone, so look away now if you might be offended. There was a reclusive rock musician who's name escapes me, who bought a house with views over Corfe Castle in Dorset. He renamed his house Far Corfe. Similarly I was helping a a friend of mine house hunting in Swindon and we noticed a house where the address was 4 Corfe Close. When spoken with the right accent it sounded quite amusing. Then in the village of Faccombe, near Andover, they raised money for a village hall, but were insistent that it must not be called Faccombe Hall, especially when spoken with the local Hampshire accent. Alan Taylor On 17 Sep 2020, at 17 Sep . 16:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > My house is called Coree. I have no idea why, and neither does anyone else - Colin and Rene perhaps? It seemed too much like hard work to change it when we moved in. > > Perhaps it's time to update postcodes to What 3 Words - https://what3words.com/dine.care.unless is very accurate. > > Meanwhile, having updated my gates, I've just updated my computer. DaVinci Resolve is always saying I need 32Gb, so I've just put in a couple of extra sticks of Corsair Vengeance XLP. That'll show them! And no sooner had I done that, than DVR asked me to download 16.2.7. I only just put in 16.2.5. They don't hang about, these Australians. > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It looked fabulous, the proportions of the rooms were wonderful and the views over parkland were to die for. Suspecting that adjacent portions might be AirBnB lets or something similar, I took the opportunity to chat with the guy who lived in one. I've never spotted so many red flags in one short conversation. He was very pleasant, indeed welcoming, but his attitude strongly suggested that he would be a nightmare neighbour. When I decided not to buy and delicately mentioned to the vendor about that neighbour, she confided that she knew what I meant as he was one of the reasons they were moving and that others had moved on for similar reasons. Nick's other tale of the houses named after trees also rings a bell, partly because my son recently sold a place called Rowan House., but mainly because there once was a funny topic on Gardener's Question Time when a hotelier brought in a cutting from a quince tree which had never fruited. The tree was quite imposing and the hotel was named after it. The expert, probably Bob Flowerdew, said that he knew exactly why it had never fruited and that he can guarantee that it never will. He went on to ask if the guy might fancy the idea of changing the name of his hotel because it definitely wasn't a quince tree. I'd be failing in my duties when talking about house names if I didn't lower the tone, so look away now if you might be offended. There was a reclusive rock musician who's name escapes me, who bought a house with views over Corfe Castle in Dorset. He renamed his house Far Corfe. Similarly I was helping a a friend of mine house hunting in Swindon and we noticed a house where the address was 4 Corfe Close. When spoken with the right accent it sounded quite amusing. Then in the village of Faccombe, near Andover, they raised money for a village hall, but were insistent that it must not be called Faccombe Hall, especially when spoken with the local Hampshire accent. Alan Taylor On 17 Sep 2020, at 17 Sep . 16:01, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: My house is called Coree. I have no idea why, and neither does anyone else - Colin and Rene perhaps? It seemed too much like hard work to change it when we moved in. Perhaps it's time to update postcodes to What 3 Words - https://what3words.com/dine.care.unless is very accurate. Meanwhile, having updated my gates, I've just updated my computer. DaVinci Resolve is always saying I need 32Gb, so I've just put in a couple of extra sticks of Corsair Vengeance XLP. That'll show them! And no sooner had I done that, than DVR asked me to download 16.2.7. I only just put in 16.2.5. They don't hang about, these Australians. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I'd be failing in my duties when talking about house names if I didn't lower the tone, so look away now if you might be offended. There was a reclusive rock musician who's name escapes me, who bought a house with views over Corfe Castle in Dorset. ?He renamed his house Far Corfe. Similarly I was helping a a friend of mine house hunting in Swindon and we noticed a house where the address was 4 Corfe Close. ?When spoken with the right accent it sounded quite amusing. Then in the village of Faccombe, near Andover, they raised money for a village hall, but were insistent that it must not be called Faccombe Hall, especially when spoken with the local Hampshire accent. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! > This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. > Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): > ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? > Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > I'd be failing in my duties when talking about house names if I didn't lower the tone, so look away now if you might be offended. > There was a reclusive rock musician who's name escapes me, who bought a house with views over Corfe Castle in Dorset. He renamed his house Far Corfe. Similarly I was helping a a friend of mine house hunting in Swindon and we noticed a house where the address was 4 Corfe Close. When spoken with the right accent it sounded quite amusing. Then in the village of Faccombe, near Andover, they raised money for a village hall, but were insistent that it must not be called Faccombe Hall, especially when spoken with the local Hampshire accent. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 17 13:54:04 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:54:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <911A862A-E67E-4588-B577-C65CBE9CB122@icloud.com> References: <5f63ae68.1c69fb81.2abf3.2516@mx.google.com> <911A862A-E67E-4588-B577-C65CBE9CB122@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5f63b0cd.1c69fb81.d96be.2227@mx.google.com> So what was the original? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 17 September 2020 19:47 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating There?s a story that a lady owner had to change the name of her newly acquired horse to Joe Blob as the Jockey Club wouldn?t accept the original version. As she said, that?s how she got it. ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! > This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. > Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): > ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? > Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > I'd be failing in my duties when talking about house names if I didn't lower the tone, so look away now if you might be offended. > There was a reclusive rock musician who's name escapes me, who bought a house with views over Corfe Castle in Dorset. He renamed his house Far Corfe. Similarly I was helping a a friend of mine house hunting in Swindon and we noticed a house where the address was 4 Corfe Close. When spoken with the right accent it sounded quite amusing. 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As she said, that?s how she got it. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! > > This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. > > Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): > > ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? > > Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. > > > > Pat > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > > > I'd be failing in my duties when talking about house names if I didn't lower the tone, so look away now if you might be offended. > > There was a reclusive rock musician who's name escapes me, who bought a house with views over Corfe Castle in Dorset. He renamed his house Far Corfe. Similarly I was helping a a friend of mine house hunting in Swindon and we noticed a house where the address was 4 Corfe Close. When spoken with the right accent it sounded quite amusing. Then in the village of Faccombe, near Andover, they raised money for a village hall, but were insistent that it must not be called Faccombe Hall, especially when spoken with the local Hampshire accent. > > > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > www.avast.com > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 17 13:55:47 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 19:55:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <911A862A-E67E-4588-B577-C65CBE9CB122@icloud.com> References: <911A862A-E67E-4588-B577-C65CBE9CB122@icloud.com> Message-ID: <8D1EC7E9-C448-4139-9954-118C0E50DBE7@me.com> Respect too to Kenny Everett for playing the system brilliantly with his character Cupid, famous for ? in the best possible taste?. He originally named the character Mary Hinge but BBC management vetoed it because it could be regarded as crude if spoonerised. The BBC were entirely comfortable with his suggestion to rename her Cupid. Once the character became established as a popular feature, he revealed that her surname was Stunt. Alan Taylor > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:47, Graeme Wall wrote: > > ?There?s a story that a lady owner had to change the name of her newly acquired horse to Joe Blob as the Jockey Club wouldn?t accept the original version. As she said, that?s how she got it. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! >> This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. >> Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): >> ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? >> Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. >> >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> >> I'd be failing in my duties when talking about house names if I didn't lower the tone, so look away now if you might be offended. >> There was a reclusive rock musician who's name escapes me, who bought a house with views over Corfe Castle in Dorset. He renamed his house Far Corfe. Similarly I was helping a a friend of mine house hunting in Swindon and we noticed a house where the address was 4 Corfe Close. When spoken with the right accent it sounded quite amusing. Then in the village of Faccombe, near Andover, they raised money for a village hall, but were insistent that it must not be called Faccombe Hall, especially when spoken with the local Hampshire accent. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 17 14:03:42 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:03:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <83C3D1EA-2D7A-420C-9EA5-E896BD42C9C1@icloud.com> References: <5f63ae68.1c69fb81.2abf3.2516@mx.google.com> <911A862A-E67E-4588-B577-C65CBE9CB122@icloud.com> <5f63b0cd.1c69fb81.d96be.2227@mx.google.com> <83C3D1EA-2D7A-420C-9EA5-E896BD42C9C1@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5f63b30e.1c69fb81.a72fb.2610@mx.google.com> Got it! Duh! Pat (William Archibald Spooner has a lot to answer for!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 17 September 2020 19:55 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating Transposition ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:54, patheigham wrote: > > So what was the original? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 17 September 2020 19:47 > To: patheigham > Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating > > There?s a story that a lady owner had to change the name of her newly acquired horse to Joe Blob as the Jockey Club wouldn?t accept the original version. As she said, that?s how she got it. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! > > This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. > > Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): > > ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? > > Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. > > > > Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Thu Sep 17 14:04:29 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:04:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <5f63b30e.1c69fb81.a72fb.2610@mx.google.com> References: <5f63ae68.1c69fb81.2abf3.2516@mx.google.com> <911A862A-E67E-4588-B577-C65CBE9CB122@icloud.com> <5f63b0cd.1c69fb81.d96be.2227@mx.google.com> <83C3D1EA-2D7A-420C-9EA5-E896BD42C9C1@icloud.com> <5f63b30e.1c69fb81.a72fb.2610@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <57A3554C-4771-4D1F-BD33-7AF7E254B7E0@icloud.com> :-) ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:03, patheigham wrote: > > Got it! Duh! > Pat > (William Archibald Spooner has a lot to answer for!) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 17 September 2020 19:55 > To: patheigham > Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating > > Transposition > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:54, patheigham wrote: > > > > So what was the original? > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: Graeme Wall > > Sent: 17 September 2020 19:47 > > To: patheigham > > Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating > > > > There?s a story that a lady owner had to change the name of her newly acquired horse to Joe Blob as the Jockey Club wouldn?t accept the original version. As she said, that?s how she got it. > > > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > > > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! > > > This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. > > > Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): > > > ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? > > > Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 17 14:07:19 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:07:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <57A3554C-4771-4D1F-BD33-7AF7E254B7E0@icloud.com> References: <5f63ae68.1c69fb81.2abf3.2516@mx.google.com> <911A862A-E67E-4588-B577-C65CBE9CB122@icloud.com> <5f63b0cd.1c69fb81.d96be.2227@mx.google.com> <83C3D1EA-2D7A-420C-9EA5-E896BD42C9C1@icloud.com> <5f63b30e.1c69fb81.a72fb.2610@mx.google.com> <57A3554C-4771-4D1F-BD33-7AF7E254B7E0@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5f63b3e7.1c69fb81.c97e3.2b07@mx.google.com> Ronnie Barker must have been a student of Spooner!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 17 September 2020 20:04 To: patheigham Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating :-) ? Graeme Wall > On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:03, patheigham wrote: > > Got it! Duh! > Pat > (William Archibald Spooner has a lot to answer for!) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graeme Wall > Sent: 17 September 2020 19:55 > To: patheigham > Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating > > Transposition > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:54, patheigham wrote: > > > > So what was the original? > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > From: Graeme Wall > > Sent: 17 September 2020 19:47 > > To: patheigham > > Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating > > > > There?s a story that a lady owner had to change the name of her newly acquired horse to Joe Blob as the Jockey Club wouldn?t accept the original version. As she said, that?s how she got it. > > > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > > > On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > > To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! > > > This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. > > > Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): > > > ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? > > > Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. > > > > > > Pat > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Sep 17 15:11:05 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 20:11:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> References: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have always loved maps, and so when we were house hunting around here (Gwynedd) I bought one of those Philips street atlases that promised to list every named road, street, etc. What I wasn't prepared for was that there were an uncountable number of unnamed highways and byways. Attempting to view several properties produced a number of complicated and often undecipherable directions - this being before SatNav (not that I would have had it anyway - still don't). And there were no house numbers, only names, so if there was a street name, you still had no idea where on the street the property might be, or if the house name was still displayed outside the property (many signs suffered from the effects of the local climate). Of course, all the locals knew where the houses were, and could offer you yet another set of complicated directions, the accuracy of which depended on their often failing memories. The icing on the cake in our house, is the one across the lane has exactly the same name, since it was the original farm, and we live in what was the labourers cottage (dating from around 1750 we're told). Having been here a few years, the postman delivered a letter that had a totally indecipherable address after our name, with only a fraction of the name 'Grant' and a bit of Waunfawr and Gwynedd. When I asked how on earth it got to us, he replied that we were the only Grants in the area. He is a legend around here, as he was born and brought up in the village, and knows everybody and everywhere they live, a mine of local information. All that said, I couldn't agree more wit what Bernie wrote: Perhaps it's time to update postcodes to What 3 Words - https://what3words.com/dine.care.unless is very accurate. lights.camera.inaction (What do you mean, I lied? What, it doesn't exist, well that's North Wales for you). And I like the idea of a village map with all the house names, a great idea, but the main village simply runs along the A4085 for well over half a mile, with several side roads, so the task of producing anything meaningful is well beyond the scope of my limited computing skills, and would probably need to be printed on a length of a dozen or more sheets of bog roll (not in short supply at present). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 17 15:39:36 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:39:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27026CF9-FD3A-4E39-824C-2FB1A4C8A0DB@me.com> If you appreciate old maps, one option for a map of a very long ribbon development could be to use a modern take on Ogilby?s maps, made during the reign of Charles II. This is a typical example. You could arrange several stripes on one page. Side roads might require stripes of their own if they are long. Variable scales could work for you, as maps of house names don?t need accurate scales, just the means of showing which houses are in sequence along the roads. Alan Taylor >> On 17 Sep 2020, at 21:12, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > ? > I have always loved maps, and so when we were house hunting around here (Gwynedd) I bought one of those Philips street atlases that promised to list every named road, street, etc. What I wasn't prepared for was that there were an uncountable number of unnamed highways and byways. Attempting to view several properties produced a number of complicated and often undecipherable directions - this being before SatNav (not that I would have had it anyway - still don't). > > And there were no house numbers, only names, so if there was a street name, you still had no idea where on the street the property might be, or if the house name was still displayed outside the property (many signs suffered from the effects of the local climate). Of course, all the locals knew where the houses were, and could offer you yet another set of complicated directions, the accuracy of which depended on their often failing memories. > > The icing on the cake in our house, is the one across the lane has exactly the same name, since it was the original farm, and we live in what was the labourers cottage (dating from around 1750 we're told). Having been here a few years, the postman delivered a letter that had a totally indecipherable address after our name, with only a fraction of the name 'Grant' and a bit of Waunfawr and Gwynedd. When I asked how on earth it got to us, he replied that we were the only Grants in the area. He is a legend around here, as he was born and brought up in the village, and knows everybody and everywhere they live, a mine of local information. > > All that said, I couldn't agree more wit what Bernie wrote: > Perhaps it's time to update postcodes to What 3 Words - https://what3words.com/dine.care.unless is very accurate. > > lights.camera.inaction > (What do you mean, I lied? What, it doesn't exist, well that's North Wales for you). > And I like the idea of a village map with all the house names, a great idea, but the main village simply runs along the A4085 for well over half a mile, with several side roads, so the task of producing anything meaningful is well beyond the scope of my limited computing skills, and would probably need to be printed on a length of a dozen or more sheets of bog roll (not in short supply at present). > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 793718 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 17 15:55:02 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 21:55:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: References: <7b512135-3269-e5b5-9d6e-5ba609029c94@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f63cd28.1c69fb81.4b10.3bea@mx.google.com> Where I live, is in a flat that is one in a block of three, nicely built. The first block to be completed, had the Royal Mail give each flat a number that carried on from the detached houses in the road. Not a problem. However, when the second larger block of 16 flats was constructed, some two years later, it was christened Griffin Court, Griffin Way and the flats sequentially numbered from 1 to 17 (no number 13). OK so far, unless the sender omitted the Griffin Court bit, and mail went astray to similar numbers in the existing Griffin Way. We had an excellent postie, who got to know people by name, would address me as Patrick if there was something to sign for, but as he doesn?t drive has not been on the ?walk?, since with the ?distancing? regulations, cannot share the cab of the van. He was brilliant, as on the few occasions I had to collect from the sorting office, I used to park in the town long-term carpark opposite and risk not buying a ticket while I sprinted across to the office. ?Oh?, he said, ?pull into in to our carpark where we keep our vans, they are all out and you?re not going to be long!? The idea of formulating a village map seems crying out for a retirement occupation. Maybe a bit of travelling involved for places a bit far afield, but a ?cottage? industry, maybe? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 17 September 2020 21:12 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating And there were no house numbers, only names, so if there was a street name, you still had no idea where on the street the property might be, or if the house name was still displayed outside the property (many signs suffered from the effects of the local climate). Of course, all the locals knew where the houses were, and could offer you yet another set of complicated directions, the accuracy of which depended on their often failing memories. Having been here a few years, the postman delivered a letter that had a totally indecipherable address after our name, with only a fraction of the name 'Grant' and a bit of Waunfawr and Gwynedd. When I asked how on earth it got to us, he replied that we were the only Grants in the area. He is a legend around here, as he was born and brought up in the village, and knows everybody and everywhere they live, a mine of local information. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 646B601954A14F5897D883FFD00912A5.png Type: image/png Size: 575011 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 17 16:00:44 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 22:00:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <27026CF9-FD3A-4E39-824C-2FB1A4C8A0DB@me.com> References: <27026CF9-FD3A-4E39-824C-2FB1A4C8A0DB@me.com> Message-ID: <5f63ce7e.1c69fb81.68735.3b18@mx.google.com> Love to put that into a pianola ? what would it play: ?This Ole House?? Pat (Sorry, I have a Milliganesque sense of humour!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 17 September 2020 21:40 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating If you appreciate old maps, one option for a map of a very long ribbon development could be to use a modern take on Ogilby?s maps, made during the reign of Charles II.? This is a typical example. ?You could arrange several stripes on one page. Side roads might require stripes of their own if they are long. ?Variable scales could work for you, as maps of house names don?t need accurate scales, just the means of showing which houses are in sequence along the roads. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 793718 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Sep 17 17:14:40 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 23:14:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <5f63ce7e.1c69fb81.68735.3b18@mx.google.com> References: <27026CF9-FD3A-4E39-824C-2FB1A4C8A0DB@me.com> <5f63ce7e.1c69fb81.68735.3b18@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <30973777-DFB5-45EC-B38B-41EC2775DF44@mac.com> Surrey has an interactive map which does name all the properties, even though they haven?t updated our house name after ten years! Like others who have mentioned the same, our village, only has house names and is a nightmare for the uninitiated delivery driver. This gives rise to people being suspicious of white van men who seem to be casing the joint, but in fact are simply looking for a specific house. Is Surrey unique in having such a map? Since writing the first three sentences, I have looked at the Surrey interactive map again, to see if you could find a property by house name only and it proves that you can. In so doing, I have discovered that they have in fact registered our new house name on the database, but not on the map itself, which could also confuse. Having searched the database in vain for a White Gates in Westhumble, I then tried Winterberry and it found the right house, but showed the old name. I was equally surprised to discover just how many houses in Surrey are called White Gates. I also partly answered my own question by discovering that Hampshire also has an interactive map, although I didn?t explore it, so I presume that many other counties will have the same sort of facility. Whenever I do need to ask for directions, I am reminded of a story my father often recounted. Donkeys years ago, he was looking for a country address when he was a rep for a monumental mason, and he stopped in a lane to ask an old chap working in his front garden. The guy seemed pleased to have an excuse to stop working and came out into the road, leaning in through the car window, with a strong smell of cider on his breath, whilst he recounted a long story about the building of a wall which he mentioned as a feature on the way to the property in question. This was apparently a prodigious wall of impressive length and he was proud to have been involved in the building of it as a young man. He had chapter and verse about the number of bricks, the bags of sand and cement and the depth of the footings, the number of workmen involved and the convoy of horses and carts delivering the materials. He also gave precise dates as to the beginning of construction and its completion, rounding off his story with the revelation that this major landmark had been demolished a few years ago, so it could no longer be relied upon as an aid to navigation, or for any other purpose, for that matter! And I have actually heard from another old countryman, whom I asked for directions, the old adage that ?If I were you, I wouldn?t start from here!" Mike G > On 17 Sep 2020, at 22:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Love to put that into a pianola ? what would it play: ?This Ole House?? > Pat > (Sorry, I have a Milliganesque sense of humour!) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 17 September 2020 21:40 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating > > If you appreciate old maps, one option for a map of a very long ribbon development could be to use a modern take on Ogilby?s maps, made during the reign of Charles II. > > This is a typical example. > > > > You could arrange several stripes on one page. Side roads might require stripes of their own if they are long. Variable scales could work for you, as maps of house names don?t need accurate scales, just the means of showing which houses are in sequence along the roads. > > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phider at gmx.com Thu Sep 17 22:57:00 2020 From: phider at gmx.com (phider) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 04:57:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating Message-ID: <1N4hvR-1kRpDS0YxL-011nA1@mail.gmx.com> I was giving a lift to Graham Benson to catch a train at Basingstoke which has a myriad of roundabouts. I stopped at one to ask the way from a local walking his dog. He said, as he lifted his walking stick as a pointer, "Ah yes! You go up here to the next roundabout, and ask again.?I have a little Satnav!I have a little SatnavIt sits there in my carA Satnav is a driver's friendIt tells you where you areI have a little SatnavI've had it all my lifeIt?s better than the normal onesMy Satnav is my wifeIt gives me full instructionsEspecially how to drive"It's thirty miles an hour", it says"You're doing thirty five"It tells me when to stop and startAnd when to use the brakeAnd tells me that it's never everSafe to overtakeIt tells me when a light is redAnd when it goes to greenIt seems to know instinctivelyJust when to interveneIt lists the vehicles just in frontAnd all those to the rearAnd taking this into accountIt specifies my gear.I'm sure no other driverHas so helpful a deviceFor when we leave and lock the carIt still gives its adviceIt fills me up with counsellingEach journey's pretty fraughtSo why don't I exchange itAnd get a quieter sort?Ah well, you see, it cleans the house,Makes sure I'm properly fed,It washes all my shirts and thingsAnd - keeps me warm in bed!Despite all these advantagesAnd my tendency to scoff,I do wish that once in a whileI could turn the damned thing off.Can anyone tell me why my email attachments format like this?best regardsPeter HideSent from Samsung Mobile on O2 null -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Sep 18 01:46:58 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:46:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <30973777-DFB5-45EC-B38B-41EC2775DF44@mac.com> References: <30973777-DFB5-45EC-B38B-41EC2775DF44@mac.com> Message-ID: Basingstoke? Ridiculous place. When I lived at Newbury, I often had to drive through the town. In most towns, the route signs are consistent. If you want to get to Toytown, you look for Toytown mentioned on the sign, follow that road and at the next roundabout, follow that sign to Toytown, then the same at subsequent junctions until you end up on the Toytown road. Basingstoke didn?t used to be like that. When I needed to drive towards Sussex , I knew that Alton was the next place and happily followed the signs towards Alton until I got to a roundabout with no further mention of Alton. I had to pull over, check my map and discovered that the road signed to Petersfield would take me through Alton before going on to Petersfield. Subsequent signage varied, sometimes directing me towards Alton and other times Petersfield. I ended up complaining to Hants Council about the inconsistency in their signage. However Basingstoke is in the minor league for roundabouts compared to Swindon. Swindon is infested with roundabouts and it?s crowning glory is the Magic Roundabout near the football ground. It?s hard to describe and the exact layout has changed many times, a search online would possibly clarify the matter or more likely confuse you further. But essentially it?s a five way junction and you can drive more or less directly from where you arrive towards wherever you want to exit, so long as you obey the lane markings and give way signs. It?s not for the faint hearted. It?s made more confusing because the road sign displayed as you approach bears little relation to what you see on the road. I drove an American friend over it and she was horrified. They don?t have roundabouts in Arizona, so the concept is strange anyway, but she regarded the Magic Roundabout as a white knuckle ride and wanted to go back by a different route. After that detour by way of Basingstoke and Swindon, I mustn?t forget that I came here to talk about misguided directions. In the 1970s, at the height of the troubles, I went to Belfast to work on an Ian Dury concert. As it happened, it was one of the best rock gigs I?ve ever seen. I got a taxi from the airport to the hotel, checked in and decided to walk to the venue as it wasn?t too far. When I got lost, asked for directions and was told to go along that road ( pointing) and turn left where the cinema used to be. Alan Taylor >>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 23:14, Mike Giles wrote: >> ?Surrey has an interactive map which does name all the properties, even though they haven?t updated our house name after ten years! Like others who have mentioned the same, our village, only has house names and is a nightmare for the uninitiated delivery driver. This gives rise to people being suspicious of white van men who seem to be casing the joint, but in fact are simply looking for a specific house. Is Surrey unique in having such a map? >> >> Since writing the first three sentences, I have looked at the Surrey interactive map again, to see if you could find a property by house name only and it proves that you can. In so doing, I have discovered that they have in fact registered our new house name on the database, but not on the map itself, which could also confuse. Having searched the database in vain for a White Gates in Westhumble, I then tried Winterberry and it found the right house, but showed the old name. I was equally surprised to discover just how many houses in Surrey are called White Gates. >> >> I also partly answered my own question by discovering that Hampshire also has an interactive map, although I didn?t explore it, so I presume that many other counties will have the same sort of facility. >> >> >> Whenever I do need to ask for directions, I am reminded of a story my father often recounted. Donkeys years ago, he was looking for a country address when he was a rep for a monumental mason, and he stopped in a lane to ask an old chap working in his front garden. The guy seemed pleased to have an excuse to stop working and came out into the road, leaning in through the car window, with a strong smell of cider on his breath, whilst he recounted a long story about the building of a wall which he mentioned as a feature on the way to the property in question. This was apparently a prodigious wall of impressive length and he was proud to have been involved in the building of it as a young man. He had chapter and verse about the number of bricks, the bags of sand and cement and the depth of the footings, the number of workmen involved and the convoy of horses and carts delivering the materials. He also gave precise dates as to the beginning of construction and its completion, rounding off his story with the revelation that this major landmark had been demolished a few years ago, so it could no longer be relied upon as an aid to navigation, or for any other purpose, for that matter! >> >> And I have actually heard from another old countryman, whom I asked for directions, the old adage that ?If I were you, I wouldn?t start from here!" >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >> On 17 Sep 2020, at 22:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Love to put that into a pianola ? what would it play: ?This Ole House?? >> Pat >> (Sorry, I have a Milliganesque sense of humour!) >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: 17 September 2020 21:40 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating >> >> If you appreciate old maps, one option for a map of a very long ribbon development could be to use a modern take on Ogilby?s maps, made during the reign of Charles II. >> >> This is a typical example. >> >> >> >> You could arrange several stripes on one page. Side roads might require stripes of their own if they are long. Variable scales could work for you, as maps of house names don?t need accurate scales, just the means of showing which houses are in sequence along the roads. >> >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Sep 18 02:04:42 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:04:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B6CB9D8-1DAD-44CD-BF4E-FADA63BBFEB6@me.com> I meant to add ... if you are not familiar with Swindon, you can get a very good impression of how exciting Swindon is by looking at TripAdvisor. I doubt whether there is another town anywhere on the planet where a roundabout is number nine in it?s top ten attractions. Swindon?s Magic Roundabout has 188 reviews, averaging 4 stars. Just imaging the shame of being the 10th or lower attraction in Swindon, being rated as less exciting than a road junction. Alan Taylor >> On 18 Sep 2020, at 07:47, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Basingstoke? Ridiculous place. When I lived at Newbury, I often had to drive through the town. In most towns, the route signs are consistent. If you want to get to Toytown, you look for Toytown mentioned on the sign, follow that road and at the next roundabout, follow that sign to Toytown, then the same at subsequent junctions until you end up on the Toytown road. Basingstoke didn?t used to be like that. When I needed to drive towards Sussex , I knew that Alton was the next place and happily followed the signs towards Alton until I got to a roundabout with no further mention of Alton. I had to pull over, check my map and discovered that the road signed to Petersfield would take me through Alton before going on to Petersfield. Subsequent signage varied, sometimes directing me towards Alton and other times Petersfield. I ended up complaining to Hants Council about the inconsistency in their signage. > > However Basingstoke is in the minor league for roundabouts compared to Swindon. Swindon is infested with roundabouts and it?s crowning glory is the Magic Roundabout near the football ground. It?s hard to describe and the exact layout has changed many times, a search online would possibly clarify the matter or more likely confuse you further. But essentially it?s a five way junction and you can drive more or less directly from where you arrive towards wherever you want to exit, so long as you obey the lane markings and give way signs. It?s not for the faint hearted. It?s made more confusing because the road sign displayed as you approach bears little relation to what you see on the road. I drove an American friend over it and she was horrified. They don?t have roundabouts in Arizona, so the concept is strange anyway, but she regarded the Magic Roundabout as a white knuckle ride and wanted to go back by a different route. > > After that detour by way of Basingstoke and Swindon, I mustn?t forget that I came here to talk about misguided directions. In the 1970s, at the height of the troubles, I went to Belfast to work on an Ian Dury concert. As it happened, it was one of the best rock gigs I?ve ever seen. I got a taxi from the airport to the hotel, checked in and decided to walk to the venue as it wasn?t too far. When I got lost, asked for directions and was told to go along that road ( pointing) and turn left where the cinema used to be. > > Alan Taylor > > > >>>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 23:14, Mike Giles wrote: >>> ?Surrey has an interactive map which does name all the properties, even though they haven?t updated our house name after ten years! Like others who have mentioned the same, our village, only has house names and is a nightmare for the uninitiated delivery driver. This gives rise to people being suspicious of white van men who seem to be casing the joint, but in fact are simply looking for a specific house. Is Surrey unique in having such a map? >>> >>> Since writing the first three sentences, I have looked at the Surrey interactive map again, to see if you could find a property by house name only and it proves that you can. In so doing, I have discovered that they have in fact registered our new house name on the database, but not on the map itself, which could also confuse. Having searched the database in vain for a White Gates in Westhumble, I then tried Winterberry and it found the right house, but showed the old name. I was equally surprised to discover just how many houses in Surrey are called White Gates. >>> >>> I also partly answered my own question by discovering that Hampshire also has an interactive map, although I didn?t explore it, so I presume that many other counties will have the same sort of facility. >>> >>> >>> Whenever I do need to ask for directions, I am reminded of a story my father often recounted. Donkeys years ago, he was looking for a country address when he was a rep for a monumental mason, and he stopped in a lane to ask an old chap working in his front garden. The guy seemed pleased to have an excuse to stop working and came out into the road, leaning in through the car window, with a strong smell of cider on his breath, whilst he recounted a long story about the building of a wall which he mentioned as a feature on the way to the property in question. This was apparently a prodigious wall of impressive length and he was proud to have been involved in the building of it as a young man. He had chapter and verse about the number of bricks, the bags of sand and cement and the depth of the footings, the number of workmen involved and the convoy of horses and carts delivering the materials. He also gave precise dates as to the beginning of construction and its completion, rounding off his story with the revelation that this major landmark had been demolished a few years ago, so it could no longer be relied upon as an aid to navigation, or for any other purpose, for that matter! >>> >>> And I have actually heard from another old countryman, whom I asked for directions, the old adage that ?If I were you, I wouldn?t start from here!" >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> >>> >>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 22:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Love to put that into a pianola ? what would it play: ?This Ole House?? >>> Pat >>> (Sorry, I have a Milliganesque sense of humour!) >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: 17 September 2020 21:40 >>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating >>> >>> If you appreciate old maps, one option for a map of a very long ribbon development could be to use a modern take on Ogilby?s maps, made during the reign of Charles II. >>> >>> This is a typical example. >>> >>> >>> >>> You could arrange several stripes on one page. Side roads might require stripes of their own if they are long. Variable scales could work for you, as maps of house names don?t need accurate scales, just the means of showing which houses are in sequence along the roads. >>> >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Sep 18 02:34:05 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 08:34:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <57A3554C-4771-4D1F-BD33-7AF7E254B7E0@icloud.com> References: <57A3554C-4771-4D1F-BD33-7AF7E254B7E0@icloud.com> Message-ID: <67F0C6F6-8501-417D-81E1-3938026ABAE2@me.com> Wasn't it D.Niven's autobiography that was called " Bring on the Empty Horses", also after a direction from M. Curtiz? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:05, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?:-) > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:03, patheigham wrote: >> >> Got it! Duh! >> Pat >> (William Archibald Spooner has a lot to answer for!) >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Graeme Wall >> Sent: 17 September 2020 19:55 >> To: patheigham >> Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating >> >> Transposition >> >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:54, patheigham wrote: >>> >>> So what was the original? >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Graeme Wall >>> Sent: 17 September 2020 19:47 >>> To: patheigham >>> Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating >>> >>> There?s a story that a lady owner had to change the name of her newly acquired horse to Joe Blob as the Jockey Club wouldn?t accept the original version. As she said, that?s how she got it. >>> >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! >>>> This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. >>>> Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): >>>> ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? >>>> Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. >>>> >>>> Pat >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Fri Sep 18 03:55:33 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 09:55:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: <67F0C6F6-8501-417D-81E1-3938026ABAE2@me.com> References: <57A3554C-4771-4D1F-BD33-7AF7E254B7E0@icloud.com> <67F0C6F6-8501-417D-81E1-3938026ABAE2@me.com> Message-ID: Micheal Curtiz also said to Niven and Errol Flyn on Charge of the Light Brigade 'You think I know fuck nothing In fact I know fuck all'. That has been my byword in Broadcasting?? Roger > On 18 Sep 2020, at 08:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Wasn't it D.Niven's autobiography that was called " Bring on the Empty Horses", also after a direction from M. Curtiz? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:05, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?:-) >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 20:03, patheigham wrote: >>> >>> Got it! Duh! >>> Pat >>> (William Archibald Spooner has a lot to answer for!) >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Graeme Wall >>> Sent: 17 September 2020 19:55 >>> To: patheigham >>> Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating >>> >>> Transposition >>> >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:54, patheigham wrote: >>>> >>>> So what was the original? >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Graeme Wall >>>> Sent: 17 September 2020 19:47 >>>> To: patheigham >>>> Cc: Tech ops; Alan Taylor >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating >>>> >>>> There?s a story that a lady owner had to change the name of her newly acquired horse to Joe Blob as the Jockey Club wouldn?t accept the original version. As she said, that?s how she got it. >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 17 Sep 2020, at 19:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> To echo Alan?s posting, I believe that the Jockey Club put the mockers on naming a racehorse ?Far Call?, although Peter O?Sullevan would have enunciated it without offence! >>>>> This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. >>>>> Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): >>>>> ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? >>>>> Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.jasma at sky.com Fri Sep 18 09:18:41 2020 From: david.jasma at sky.com (david.jasma) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:18:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps Message-ID: Theres a very large? magic roundabout outside Hemel Hempstead, I think it has about eight? roads off it.With regard to the posts about home made? maps, when my wife and I moved from NW London (Metroland) to Scotland, the house we bought was in a private lane, and all the houses bar one were named.As our house was the one of the first in the lane, we got used to delivery drivers knocking the door? to ask where such and such a house was. (Even the police had to ask from time to time!)After a time, I downloaded a screen print of the road from Google earth and one evening walked along the lane noting the names of the houses (only 24) including one that didn't have a nameplate.Then I put the names around the edge? of the screen dump with arrows pointing to the appropriate house.? After printing copies, I gave a few to? ?my neighbour? whose house was also first in the lane? but on the other side. Overall they have been very useful, moreso when the local sorting office decided to change the postal staff on our walk - I gave out quite? a number.Dave Buckley? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Sep 18 10:02:23 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:02:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps In-Reply-To: <5f64c24c.1c69fb81.6c9c3.21f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <5f64c24c.1c69fb81.6c9c3.21f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5f64cbff.1c69fb81.a8ffd.e440@mx.google.com> In my part of the world, there?s a roundabout at the Painshill junction of the A3, coming out of Cobham, which has four sets of lights. I?ve never been able to get all the way round without being held by at least three of them! Don?t think Mr. Toad would find modern motoring so pleasant, nowadays (parp, parp, leaving Ratty and mole in a cloud of dust!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: david.jasma via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 15:21 To: david.jasma at sky.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps Theres a very large? magic roundabout outside Hemel Hempstead, I think it has about eight? roads off it. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Fri Sep 18 10:06:15 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:06:15 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps In-Reply-To: <5f64cbff.1c69fb81.a8ffd.e440@mx.google.com> References: <5f64c24c.1c69fb81.6c9c3.21f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f64cbff.1c69fb81.a8ffd.e440@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <45093277.75558.1600441575765@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Sep 18 10:18:33 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:18:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps In-Reply-To: <45093277.75558.1600441575765@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <5f64c24c.1c69fb81.6c9c3.21f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f64cbff.1c69fb81.a8ffd.e440@mx.google.com> <45093277.75558.1600441575765@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <5f64cfc9.1c69fb81.b3b78.d3ed@mx.google.com> Exactly! Although I?m usually travelling from the Sainsbury feeder round to the A3 London bound, so only 3/4's really. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Way Sent: 18 September 2020 16:06 To: patheigham; patheigham via Tech1; david.jasma Subject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps ...aaaah, that one coming from Sainsbury's above the A3? Never occurred to me. If I can get round in one go, I'll be sure to let you know, Pat! Best wishes, Nick WAY On 18/09/2020 16:02 patheigham via Tech1 wrote: In my part of the world, there?s a roundabout at the Painshill junction of the A3, coming out of Cobham, which has four sets of lights. I?ve never been able to get all the way round without being held by at least three of them! Don?t think Mr. Toad would find modern motoring so pleasant, nowadays (parp, parp, leaving Ratty and Mole in a cloud of dust!) Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Sep 18 10:25:18 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:25:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Updating In-Reply-To: References: <57A3554C-4771-4D1F-BD33-7AF7E254B7E0@icloud.com> <67F0C6F6-8501-417D-81E1-3938026ABAE2@me.com> Message-ID: <5f64d15e.1c69fb81.7eb3a.e32f@mx.google.com> Ah! Did you not see my earlier posting re: Curtiz. And for Empty Horses. He obviously meant riderless ones. Was it Churchill or Shaw who remarked, of the UK and US ? ?Two countries divided by a common language!? Pat Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 09:55 To: Alasdair Lawrance Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Updating Micheal Curtiz also said to Niven and Errol Flyn on Charge of the Light Brigade 'You think I know fuck nothing In fact I know fuck all'. That has been my byword in Broadcasting?? Roger > On 18 Sep 2020, at 08:34, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > Wasn't it D.Niven's autobiography that was called " Bring on the Empty Horses", also after a direction from M. Curtiz? > > Alasdair Lawrance >>>>> This reminds me of a story told by David Niven when working with the Hungarian director Michael Curtiz, whose knowledge of English was not brilliant particularly with regard to English vernacular. >>>>> Apparently he said something which caused the cast and crew to snigger. He took offence and said (and here I have to spell it out in full): >>>>> ? You think I know fuck nothing ? I?ll tell you, I know fuck all!? >>>>> Which sent Niven into further paroxysms of laughter. >>>>> >>>>> Pat -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Fri Sep 18 10:23:27 2020 From: david.jasma at sky.com (david.jasma) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:23:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps In-Reply-To: <5f64c9d2.1c69fb81.65ef3.de53@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That's the one!Dave.Sent from Samsung tablet. -------- Original message --------From: patheigham Date: 18/09/2020 15:54 (GMT+00:00) To: "david.jasma" , tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps Is that the one with several satellite roundabouts, where you can drive the wrong way round the main one?Pat?Sent from Mail for Windows 10?From: david.jasma via Tech1Sent: 18 September 2020 15:21To: david.jasma at sky.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps?Theres a very large? magic roundabout outside Hemel Hempstead, I think it has about eight? roads off it.?? 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Roger, what thinkest thou? Cheers, Dave. (... or should it be 'what do you think?' ) - English grammar was never my strong point! From mibridge at mac.com Fri Sep 18 13:23:19 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:23:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] .pdf In-Reply-To: <828508cb-f123-8651-f65e-44012a709d4f@btinternet.com> References: <828508cb-f123-8651-f65e-44012a709d4f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I think either is acceptable, Dave - by the way, what do rats smell like? Mike G > On 18 Sep 2020, at 17:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?..... or should it be 'I smelled a rat'? Roger, what thinkest thou? Cheers, Dave. (... or should it be 'what do you think?' ) - English grammar was never my strong point! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Sep 18 13:56:28 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:56:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] .pdf In-Reply-To: References: <828508cb-f123-8651-f65e-44012a709d4f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5f6502dc.1c69fb81.799f2.0cee@mx.google.com> - My rat has no nose - How does he smell? - ?orrible! Pat (As Round the Horne has it ? ?Welcome return of old joke!?) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 19:23 To: dave.mdv Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] .pdf I think either is acceptable, Dave - by the way, what do rats smell like? Mike G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:01:08 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 22:01:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps In-Reply-To: <5f64c9d2.1c69fb81.65ef3.de53@mx.google.com> References: <5f64c24c.1c69fb81.6c9c3.21f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f64c9d2.1c69fb81.65ef3.de53@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c901d68dfe$d4fd0690$7ef713b0$@gmail.com> Yes the magic roundabout at Hemel Hempstead is a multi type as described. I know it well as I live only about seven miles away and have been using it as needed since it appeared about 40 years ago. I still don?t like it as it?s very busy and the problem of when to give way and when to go if several of you arrive at about the same time is even worse than with the simple ones. Having said that, the massive one at the top of Wycombe Hill by the A40 is even worse if you?re going round 270* of it there are so many lane changes and everyone drives fast to beat the lights. Among other nasty roundabouts, the Headington one at Oxford can be scary too if you?re not familiar with it, though that?s tame compared with the Wycombe one. I?m sure we could set up a league table from those we know and love to hate, Geoff Hawkes From: Tech1 On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 15:53 To: david.jasma ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps Is that the one with several satellite roundabouts, where you can drive the wrong way round the main one? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: david.jasma via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 15:21 To: david.jasma at sky.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps Theres a very large magic roundabout outside Hemel Hempstead, I think it has about eight roads off it. _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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According to Fowler (and I agree with him) the word ?none? can be singular or plural, in which case ?none of them were seriously injured? would be the correct form as it refers to more than one person. If a football coach was addressing a team who?d just been badly defeated, he wouldn?t say, ?We lost because none of you was playing the way I told you to?, unless he always said ?you was? rather than ?you were? as some people wrongly do. It would be ?none of you were playing the way I told you to?. He could of course say ?not one of you was?? but not ?none of you was...? Geoff Hawkes -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 19:23 To: dave.mdv Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] .pdf I think either is acceptable, Dave - by the way, what do rats smell like? Mike G > On 18 Sep 2020, at 17:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > ?..... or should it be 'I smelled a rat'? Roger, what thinkest thou? Cheers, Dave. (... or should it be 'what do you think?' ) - English grammar was never my strong point! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 17:21:15 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 23:21:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: 1918 vs 2020 pandemics In-Reply-To: <002101d68de9$c9f150e0$5dd3f2a0$@sympatico.ca> References: <002101d68de9$c9f150e0$5dd3f2a0$@sympatico.ca> Message-ID: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: 1918 vs 2020 pandemics Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 14:30:27 -0400 From: Michael Du Boulay To: Michael Du Boulay Image of disposable surgery masks. /Children at Victoria Park Forest School in Toronto practice blowing their noses in 1913 (photo courtesy of the City of Toronto Archives, external link, opens in new window )./ Dr. Arne Kislenko is an Associate Professor of History at Ryerson. In this piece, he?ll explore how the lives of Canadians were affected by the Spanish Flu in 1918 and compare it to life?today. 1918 vs. 2020: Comparing Pandemics in Canadian History While no one can predict what will happen with the COVID-19 crisis, we can draw on history for an understanding of how previous generations survived pandemics. The 1918 ?Spanish Flu? was amongst the deadliest in history: killing an estimated 50 to 100 million worldwide, roughly 5 percent of the global populace. Nearly 55,000?Canadians died ?? almost as many as Canada lost during the First?World?War. Like today, schools, businesses, and public places were closed. Governments mandated the wearing of masks. People practiced social-distancing. Quarantines were enforced. But still the pandemic spread. By October 1918, Toronto Western Hospital was full with the sick: half of its nursing staff included. Assertions that the outbreak was confined overseas, or that purported cases here were just seasonal grippe, gave way to urgent?warnings. In Montreal, trolley cars became hearses to move the dead. Woodworkers in Ontario had a hard time meeting the demand for coffins. Some pushed for schools to reopen, arguing that by keeping children in classes they wouldn?t run around infecting others. Eaton?s and other stores advertised sensational cure-alls. People tied mothballs around their necks to ward off disease. The sick were treated with lard, tree resins, and mustard among other ?home-made? remedies. Doctors used baking soda, milk, and heroin for their patients. Some people refused to wear masks, provoking anger from those who did. And in the midst of it all, experts debated different treatments, and worked feverishly to discover a ?cure?. Connaught Laboratories in Toronto developed a vaccine by late 1918, but offered consumers no guarantee it would work. Some retreated to Canada?s wilderness, convinced they could ?hide out? from the virus. But modernity proved that notion false: trains, roads, and water routes spread the flu to the most remote parts of the country. Cree and M?tis communities in and around Norway House had a mortality rate of one in ten. Just as in 2020, marginalized populations were particularly ravaged. Indigenous communities faced a mortality rate five times the national?average. Like 2020, in 1918-1919 life dramatically changed. Businesses collapsed. There were shortages of essential goods. And there were fears about ?waves?, especially as governments hurried to phase in ?re-openings?. When the virus dissipated, Canada emerged a different country. A federal Department of Health was created. Many lessons were learned about disease control and governance. Just like the Great War, the flu illustrated that Canada was not immune to the vagaries of the global order. Some communities were destroyed, or changed forever. But Canadians also proved resilient: developing stronger senses of community through volunteerism and collective?action. Still, there are crucial differences between the pandemics. Other diseases like tuberculosis and typhoid were widespread in 1918. There was no public health insurance, diets were poorer, and sanitation standards were lower. Vaccination programmes were in their infancy, while antiviral drugs and other ?front-line? technologies used today were non-existent. In so many ways, 1918 and 2020 are vastly different, rendering comparisons?difficult. What we have learned is that viruses are living social laboratories with many variables. And despite advances in medicine, the ?old ideas? of basic prevention, social distancing, and quarantine remain the best defense. We?ve also learned that only through patient and concerted action can we manage the historical realities of?pandemics. J -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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G On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 22:01, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Yes the magic roundabout at Hemel Hempstead is a multi type as described. > I know it well as I live only about seven miles away and have been using it > as needed since it appeared about 40 years ago. I still don?t like it as > it?s very busy and the problem of when to give way and when to go if > several of you arrive at about the same time is even worse than with the > simple ones. Having said that, the massive one at the top of Wycombe Hill > by the A40 is even worse if you?re going round 270? of it there are so > many lane changes and everyone drives fast to beat the lights. > > Among other nasty roundabouts, the Headington one at Oxford can be scary > too if you?re not familiar with it, though that?s tame compared with the > Wycombe one. > > I?m sure we could set up a league table from those we know and love to > hate, > > *Geoff Hawkes* > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *patheigham > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 18 September 2020 15:53 > *To:* david.jasma ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps > > > > Is that the one with several satellite roundabouts, where you can drive > the wrong way round the main one? > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *david.jasma via Tech1 > *Sent: *18 September 2020 15:21 > *To: *david.jasma at sky.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps > > > > Theres a very large magic roundabout outside Hemel Hempstead, I think it > has about eight roads off it. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > [image: Image removed by sender. Avast logo] > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ~WRD0000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Sep 19 03:08:45 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 08:08:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps In-Reply-To: References: <5f64c24c.1c69fb81.6c9c3.21f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f64c9d2.1c69fb81.65ef3.de53@mx.google.com> <00c901d68dfe$d4fd0690$7ef713b0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: I?m guessing ?neck in swivel gear? must be some sort of coded camera-speak - too subtle to be understood by a lesser mortal Sound person? ;-) Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Sep 2020, at 08:47, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: ? They built a new road around the North of Norwich a couple of years ago. All the roundabouts on it are lethal! Very odd lane layouts have caused many accidents. Neck in swivel gear an absolutenecessity when negotiating them. G On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 22:01, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 > wrote: Yes the magic roundabout at Hemel Hempstead is a multi type as described. I know it well as I live only about seven miles away and have been using it as needed since it appeared about 40 years ago. I still don?t like it as it?s very busy and the problem of when to give way and when to go if several of you arrive at about the same time is even worse than with the simple ones. Having said that, the massive one at the top of Wycombe Hill by the A40 is even worse if you?re going round 270? of it there are so many lane changes and everyone drives fast to beat the lights. Among other nasty roundabouts, the Headington one at Oxford can be scary too if you?re not familiar with it, though that?s tame compared with the Wycombe one. I?m sure we could set up a league table from those we know and love to hate, Geoff Hawkes From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 15:53 To: david.jasma >; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps Is that the one with several satellite roundabouts, where you can drive the wrong way round the main one? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: david.jasma via Tech1 Sent: 18 September 2020 15:21 To: david.jasma at sky.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps Theres a very large magic roundabout outside Hemel Hempstead, I think it has about eight roads off it. ________________________________ [Image removed by sender. 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Name: ~WRD0000.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 823 bytes Desc: ~WRD0000.jpg URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Sep 19 03:33:58 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:33:58 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps In-Reply-To: References: <5f64c24c.1c69fb81.6c9c3.21f7SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <5f64c9d2.1c69fb81.65ef3.de53@mx.google.com> <00c901d68dfe$d4fd0690$7ef713b0$@gmail.com>, Message-ID: <5f65c276.1c69fb81.21952.85b2@mx.google.com> Reminds me of the biker who was in court after an accident. ?What gear were you in?? asked the magistrate. ?Me leathers, guv!? He replied. ? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 19 September 2020 09:09 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] roundabouts and maps I?m guessing ?neck in swivel gear? must be some sort of coded camera-speak - too subtle to be understood by a lesser mortal Sound person?? ;-) Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Sep 2020, at 08:47, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: ? They built a new road around the North of Norwich a couple of years ago. All the roundabouts on it are lethal! Very odd lane layouts have caused many accidents. Neck in swivel gear an absolutenecessity when negotiating them. G -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Sep 19 03:51:30 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 09:51:30 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] .pdf In-Reply-To: <828508cb-f123-8651-f65e-44012a709d4f@btinternet.com> References: <828508cb-f123-8651-f65e-44012a709d4f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <77ed59f9.4395.174a58fab5a.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> To be honest I've never been sure about that one. If it follows the normal logic it should be either "I smelled" or "I have smelt" (Perfect and Imperfect tenses) - a bit like the difference between "I drank" and "I have drunk - too much - I am drunk". (At school, we only talked about Perfect and Imperfect tenses when studying French. We never learnt - or learned - about it in English lessons.) Since I'm constantly explaining to people that I can't spell, the one I usually have problems with is "I spelled" or "I have spelt". But then I think, isn't 'spelt' a type of cereal grain? And isn't 'smelt' something they do in an iron foundry? Best to use '-ed' ending to avoid ambiguity! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Friday, 18 Sep, 20 At 17:13 Subject: [Tech1] .pdf ..... or should it be 'I smelled a rat'? Roger, what thinkest thou? Cheers, Dave. (... or should it be 'what do you think?' ) - English grammar was never my strong point! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Sep 19 06:35:46 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:35:46 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 11_Sept_2020.pdf In-Reply-To: <209f630e-952c-f9e8-bd15-cd9d784590ee@btinternet.com> References: <209f630e-952c-f9e8-bd15-cd9d784590ee@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58b26a0540davesound@btinternet.com> My principle is never to click on that sort of link in an email, etc. Given you must think it comes from an organisation you already deal with, use your own bookmark to go there. Oddly just had a letter from my bank saying they've not been able to contact me by email as regards viewing my statement online. Presumably because I never use the link in that email, but do look at my statement online whenever I want to. And they really shouldn't be encouraging people to use any link in an email. Given so many don't check if it is genuine or not. All too easy to produce an email or indeed website that looks the same as the genuine one. In article <209f630e-952c-f9e8-bd15-cd9d784590ee at btinternet.com>, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > We have just had one of these scams from the 'DVLA'! My wife was very > worried about it, luckily I smelt a rat! Cheers, Dave -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Sep 19 06:47:21 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 12:47:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Try Again Message-ID: <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> Not sure if this one went - so here goes again - To be honest I've never been sure about that one. If it follows the normal logic it should be either "I smelled" or "I have smelt" (Perfect and Imperfect tenses) - a bit like the difference between "I drank" and "I have drunk - too much - I am drunk". (At school, we only talked about Perfect and Imperfect tenses when studying French. We never learnt - or learned - about it in English lessons.) Since I'm constantly explaining to people that I can't spell, the one I usually have problems with is "I spelled" or "I have spelt". But then I think, isn't 'spelt' a type of cereal grain? And isn't 'smelt' something they do in an iron foundry? Best to use '-ed' ending to avoid ambiguity! luv, Rog. They've kindly 'Upgraded' my BT internet, with the result that nothing bloody works, even if I can find where they put it! Most of my contacts seem to have disappeared. AAAARGH! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In this piece, he?ll explore how the lives of Canadians were affected by the Spanish Flu in 1918 and compare it to life today. 1918 vs. 2020: Comparing Pandemics in Canadian History While no one can predict what will happen with the COVID-19 crisis, we can draw on history for an understanding of how previous generations survived pandemics. The 1918 ?Spanish Flu? was amongst the deadliest in history: killing an estimated 50 to 100 million worldwide, roughly 5 percent of the global populace. Nearly 55,000 Canadians died ? almost as many as Canada lost during the First World War. Like today, schools, businesses, and public places were closed. Governments mandated the wearing of masks. People practiced social-distancing. Quarantines were enforced. But still the pandemic spread. By October 1918, Toronto Western Hospital was full with the sick: half of its nursing staff included. Assertions that the outbreak was confined overseas, or that purported cases here were just seasonal grippe, gave way to urgent warnings. In Montreal, trolley cars became hearses to move the dead. Woodworkers in Ontario had a hard time meeting the demand for coffins. Some pushed for schools to reopen, arguing that by keeping children in classes they wouldn?t run around infecting others. Eaton?s and other stores advertised sensational cure-alls. People tied mothballs around their necks to ward off disease. The sick were treated with lard, tree resins, and mustard among other ?home-made? remedies. Doctors used baking soda, milk, and heroin for their patients. Some people refused to wear masks, provoking anger from those who did. And in the midst of it all, experts debated different treatments, and worked feverishly to discover a ?cure?. Connaught Laboratories in Toronto developed a vaccine by late 1918, but offered consumers no guarantee it would work. Some retreated to Canada?s wilderness, convinced they could ?hide out? from the virus. But modernity proved that notion false: trains, roads, and water routes spread the flu to the most remote parts of the country. Cree and M?tis communities in and around Norway House had a mortality rate of one in ten. Just as in 2020, marginalized populations were particularly ravaged. Indigenous communities faced a mortality rate five times the national average. Like 2020, in 1918-1919 life dramatically changed. Businesses collapsed. There were shortages of essential goods. And there were fears about ?waves?, especially as governments hurried to phase in ?re-openings?. When the virus dissipated, Canada emerged a different country. A federal Department of Health was created. Many lessons were learned about disease control and governance. Just like the Great War, the flu illustrated that Canada was not immune to the vagaries of the global order. Some communities were destroyed, or changed forever. But Canadians also proved resilient: developing stronger senses of community through volunteerism and collective action. Still, there are crucial differences between the pandemics. Other diseases like tuberculosis and typhoid were widespread in 1918. There was no public health insurance, diets were poorer, and sanitation standards were lower. Vaccination programmes were in their infancy, while antiviral drugs and other ?front-line? technologies used today were non-existent. In so many ways, 1918 and 2020 are vastly different, rendering comparisons difficult. What we have learned is that viruses are living social laboratories with many variables. And despite advances in medicine, the ?old ideas? of basic prevention, social distancing, and quarantine remain the best defense. We?ve also learned that only through patient and concerted action can we manage the historical realities of pandemics. J -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 232892 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Sep 19 07:40:43 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 13:40:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> References: <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58b26ff760davesound@btinternet.com> Smelt has three different meanings. Smelled, only one. The beauty of the English language. In article <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99 at btinternet.com>, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Not sure if this one went - so here goes again - > To be honest I've never been sure about that one. If it follows the > normal logic it should be either "I smelled" or "I have smelt" (Perfect > and Imperfect tenses) - a bit like the difference between "I drank" and > "I have drunk - too much - I am drunk". (At school, we only talked about > Perfect and Imperfect tenses when studying French. We never learnt - or > learned - about it in English lessons.) Since I'm constantly explaining > to people that I can't spell, the one I usually have problems with is "I > spelled" or "I have spelt". But then I think, isn't 'spelt' a type of > cereal grain? And isn't 'smelt' something they do in an iron foundry? > Best to use '-ed' ending to avoid ambiguity! > luv, Rog. > They've kindly 'Upgraded' my BT internet, with the result that nothing > bloody works, even if I can find where they put it! Most of my contacts > seem to have disappeared. AAAARGH! -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Sep 19 10:17:34 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 16:17:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Attenborough In-Reply-To: <320F04AF-2E8D-4716-ACB9-832EC43AAD67@me.com> References: <9626380F-F90D-4AFE-A94C-6E1242BDE838@icloud.com> <320F04AF-2E8D-4716-ACB9-832EC43AAD67@me.com> Message-ID: <5f66210e.1c69fb81.76da3.c2f2@mx.google.com> Years ago, from Riverside, I was scheduled to work Grams on a programme that David wanted to create from a lot of unused footage from ?Natural World? I think it was. Trouble was it was all mute! So my job was to dub on Effects on the fly from 4 turntables. Must have done OK ?cos he bought me a beer in The Chancellors, opposite. After clinking glasses, I asked him how he viewed being given the job of Controller of BBC2. ?A great honour?, he said, ?But I?d much rather be out in the field making wildlife films!? Which after a couple of years he did return to with great effect, as we know. A splendid man! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 14 September 2020 09:01 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Spitfire over Surrey Talking of Attenborough, some of you will have worked with him. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Sep 19 10:38:07 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 16:38:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] DIrections Message-ID: <5f6625df.1c69fb81.eea24.a0b3@mx.google.com> Someone mentioned the phrase ?I wouldn?t have started from here!? Used that very wording in asking the airstrip Traffic Control chap at a small airfield south of Dublin having flown in on a job involving the Curragh. We needed direction to Newbridge, where the racecourse was. He though for a moment, and before he could reply, my colleague jumped in with ?You wouldn?t have started from here!? He roared with laughter, slapping his thighs, and said ?Oh! You don?t like the Irish, do you!? He gave us directions on leaving the airfield road, then with impeccable Irish logic said: ?It?s a straight road, except where it goes round corners!? As I am ? Irish, thanks to my paternal grandmother, I understood exactly! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Sep 19 10:44:54 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 16:44:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: <58b26ff760davesound@btinternet.com> References: <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> <58b26ff760davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <34297912.4af0.174a70a25d4.Webtop.118@btinternet.com> In the well-know phrase, "He who smelt it dealt it!", you don't get the option, because there isn't a word 'dealed' - and, even if there was, it wouldn't rhyme with 'smelled'. luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Saturday, 19 Sep, 20 At 13:40 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Try Again Smelt has three different meanings. Smelled, only one. The beauty of the English language. In article <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99 at btinternet.com>, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Not sure if this one went - so here goes again - To be honest I've never been sure about that one. If it follows the normal logic it should be either "I smelled" or "I have smelt" (Perfect and Imperfect tenses) - a bit like the difference between "I drank" and "I have drunk - too much - I am drunk". (At school, we only talked about Perfect and Imperfect tenses when studying French. We never learnt - or learned - about it in English lessons.) Since I'm constantly explaining to people that I can't spell, the one I usually have problems with is "I spelled" or "I have spelt". But then I think, isn't 'spelt' a type of cereal grain? And isn't 'smelt' something they do in an iron foundry? Best to use '-ed' ending to avoid ambiguity! luv, Rog. They've kindly 'Upgraded' my BT internet, with the result that nothing bloody works, even if I can find where they put it! Most of my contacts seem to have disappeared. AAAARGH! -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Sep 19 11:06:52 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:06:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 11_Sept_2020.pdf In-Reply-To: <58b26a0540davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58b26a0540davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <99C55B2D-4329-4634-B1E5-2291121D6A02@me.com> I?ve had that fake email purportedly from the Post Office concerning an undeliverable parcel. The first red flag was that at no point does it mention my name or address, but the biggest red flag is that if you look at the header information, the email address it really came from is actually a Gmail address, which does seem just a little bit unlikely for an organisation like the Post Office. I saw that on their site, the PO encourage you to report phishing schemes and dodgy emailS concerning them, but when I tried, their link took me to somewhere entirely useless, so I didn?t waste any more time on it. Alan Taylor > On 19 Sep 2020, at 12:36, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My principle is never to click on that sort of link in an email, etc. > > Given you must think it comes from an organisation you already deal with, > use your own bookmark to go there. > > Oddly just had a letter from my bank saying they've not been able to > contact me by email as regards viewing my statement online. Presumably > because I never use the link in that email, but do look at my statement > online whenever I want to. And they really shouldn't be encouraging people > to use any link in an email. Given so many don't check if it is genuine or > not. All too easy to produce an email or indeed website that looks the > same as the genuine one. > > In article <209f630e-952c-f9e8-bd15-cd9d784590ee at btinternet.com>, > dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> We have just had one of these scams from the 'DVLA'! My wife was very >> worried about it, luckily I smelt a rat! Cheers, Dave > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Sep 19 11:14:05 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:14:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> References: <52130291.47a5.174a630a947.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> Message-ID: My wife is German and when she arrived in the UK, she was totally confused by the fact that we use the word ?you? without variations. She was worried that she was causing offence by not using the appropriate variation, because in German and other languages they have at least six variations of their word, depending on the gender, familiarity and quantity of people you are addressing and of course permutations of those variables. It?s one of the few things she reckons is easier in English, most other aspects of our language are a minefield for those trying to learn the finer points of our language. Alan Taylor > On 19 Sep 2020, at 12:47, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Not sure if this one went - so here goes again - > > To be honest I've never been sure about that one. If it follows the normal logic it should be either "I smelled" or "I have smelt" (Perfect and Imperfect tenses) - a bit like the difference between "I drank" and "I have drunk - too much - I am drunk". (At school, we only talked about Perfect and Imperfect tenses when studying French. We never learnt - or learned - about it in English lessons.) Since I'm constantly explaining to people that I can't spell, the one I usually have problems with is "I spelled" or "I have spelt". But then I think, isn't 'spelt' a type of cereal grain? And isn't 'smelt' something they do in an iron foundry? Best to use '-ed' ending to avoid ambiguity! > > luv, Rog. > > They've kindly 'Upgraded' my BT internet, with the result that nothing bloody works, even if I can find where they put it! Most of my contacts seem to have disappeared. AAAARGH! > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Sep 19 11:21:33 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:21:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! Message-ID: Do you think they are having trouble selling them? Well it must be terrible with hoards of visitors heading for the studios. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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She was worried that she was causing offence by not using the appropriate variation, because in German and other languages they have at least six variations of their word, depending on the gender, familiarity and quantity of people you are addressing and of course permutations of those variables. It?s one of the few things she reckons is easier in English, most other aspects of our language are a minefield for those trying to learn the finer points of our language. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Sep 19 11:38:23 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 17:38:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f6633fe.1c69fb81.a1ca6.1214@mx.google.com> The Club terrace seems to have shrunk a bit! If I wanted to live on London (which I don?t), I could have bought a flat on the Lime Grove site ? maybe called it Studio R, as I spent a great deal of my life in the original! As far as hordes of visitors: I worked on a Thames TV film about the National Trust, which involved a visit to Plas Newydd, in Anglesey. This was given to the NT by the Marquess, as the upkeep was beyond his means. We interviewed him and his wife on the roof garden, (and they had a flat on the top floor, but got the run of the house back when it closed in the evening). Peering over the castellated wall, I asked the Marquess if he ever felt like tipping boiling oil on the infiltrators! He was very polite, explaining that if it wasn?t for the visitors, they could not afford to live there. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 19 September 2020 17:22 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! Do you think they are having trouble selling them? Well it must be terrible with hoards of visitors heading for the studios. ? Mike -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Sep 19 13:21:07 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 18:21:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Something that jarrs with me every time I see it is when people write ?they? when referring to a singular person, simply because they don?t have the guts to say ?he? or ?she?. OK, I understand that things aren?t that straightforward nowadays, but ?they? is plural whoever you apply it to. Misusing it in that way is like the worst possible musical discord to my ear. I sense I?m in the right company here to get a modicum of agreement! (Hopefully). Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Sep 2020, at 17:14, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? My wife is German and when she arrived in the UK, she was totally confused by the fact that we use the word ?you? without variations. She was worried that she was causing offence by not using the appropriate variation, because in German and other languages they have at least six variations of their word, depending on the gender, familiarity and quantity of people you are addressing and of course permutations of those variables. It?s one of the few things she reckons is easier in English, most other aspects of our language are a minefield for those trying to learn the finer points of our language. Alan Taylor On 19 Sep 2020, at 12:47, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? Not sure if this one went - so here goes again - To be honest I've never been sure about that one. If it follows the normal logic it should be either "I smelled" or "I have smelt" (Perfect and Imperfect tenses) - a bit like the difference between "I drank" and "I have drunk - too much - I am drunk". (At school, we only talked about Perfect and Imperfect tenses when studying French. We never learnt - or learned - about it in English lessons.) Since I'm constantly explaining to people that I can't spell, the one I usually have problems with is "I spelled" or "I have spelt". But then I think, isn't 'spelt' a type of cereal grain? And isn't 'smelt' something they do in an iron foundry? Best to use '-ed' ending to avoid ambiguity! luv, Rog. They've kindly 'Upgraded' my BT internet, with the result that nothing bloody works, even if I can find where they put it! Most of my contacts seem to have disappeared. AAAARGH! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Sep 19 13:29:04 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 18:29:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ;-) Hordes - unless they are squirrelling them away (hoarding them). Or Cambridge Dictionary: ?hoard - to keep a large number of things that are not needed or have no value, because you are suffering from a mental condition....? Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Sep 2020, at 17:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: ? Do you think they are having trouble selling them? Well it must be terrible with hoards of visitors heading for the studios. Mike [cid:2EC2D810-B3F2-4AB0-8634-4072DBE89947]-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Golden age of Television Centre.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119914 bytes Desc: Golden age of Television Centre.jpg URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Sep 19 14:57:05 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 19:57:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Er, slightly beg to differ, I have no problem with saying 'he' or 'she' but I often need to hide the gender of someone I'm quoting, so that 'they' remain anonymous, whilst 'they' may become easily identifiable otherwise. And I'm sure you know I hate to besmirch other people's reputations with my comments! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 19 September 2020 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Something that jarrs with me every time I see it is when people write ?they? when referring to a singular person, simply because they don?t have the guts to say ?he? or ?she?. OK, I understand that things aren?t that straightforward nowadays, but ?they? is plural whoever you apply it to. Misusing it in that way is like the worst possible musical discord to my ear. > I sense I?m in the right company here to get a modicum of agreement! (Hopefully). > > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In our house it?s on because the Satnav likes watching it, need I say more? Geoff Hawkes -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 19 September 2020 22:11 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Favourite Strictly moment > On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:06, Alasdair Lawrance < alawrance1 at me.com> wrote: > > ?I see we're being asked for our favourite Strictly moment. > > I'll start the ball rolling with the - > > "Produced and Directed by......." caption. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sun Sep 20 02:57:01 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:57:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7952cf2.513f.174aa842740.Webtop.110@btinternet.com> I find "they" quite useful when referring to a non-specific person who could be of either sex. Unfortunately we don't have a gender-free pronoun in English, except "it", which doesn't really work for a human being. I know I'm out-of-date, but it still worries me when people use the word "gender" when they mean "sex". What's wrong with the word? Say it - sex, Sex, SEX! Filling in an application form for the British Library, I came to the question, "What is your Gender? - Male or Female" I wanted to scream - Those aren't Genders, they are Sexes! Masculine and Feminine are Genders. Male and Female are Sexes! Of all institutions, the British Library should have known that. If you really want to know my Gender - Well, I'm mostly Masculine, but I like to think I'm in touch with my Feminine side. But you don't want to know that. You want to know my SEX! I blame it all on Feminists - who didn't have the courage to call themselves "Female-ists". They weren't campaigning for the rights of Feminine people. They were campaigning for the rights of Female people! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "techtone via Tech1" To: Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Saturday, 19 Sep, 20 At 20:57 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Try Again Er, slightly beg to differ, I have no problem with saying 'he' or 'she' but I often need to hide the gender of someone I'm quoting, so that 'they' remain anonymous, whilst 'they' may become easily identifiable otherwise. And I'm sure you know I hate to besmirch other people's reputations with my comments! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 19 September 2020 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Something that jarrs with me every time I see it is when people write ?they? when referring to a singular person, simply because they don?t have the guts to say ?he? or ?she?. OK, I understand that things aren?t that straightforward nowadays, but ?they? is plural whoever you apply it to. Misusing it in that way is like the worst possible musical discord to my ear. I sense I?m in the right company here to get a modicum of agreement! (Hopefully). Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:11, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > >> On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:06, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: >> >> ?I see we're being asked for our favourite Strictly moment. >> >> I'll start the ball rolling with the - >> >> "Produced and Directed by......." caption. >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sun Sep 20 03:33:34 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 08:33:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: <7952cf2.513f.174aa842740.Webtop.110@btinternet.com> References: , <7952cf2.513f.174aa842740.Webtop.110@btinternet.com> Message-ID: That was my point - there seems to be a missing, but obviously needed, word in the English language. And it can have a knock-on effect, when the scenario might continue with: ?they? were (was) later seen speeding off...? etc. And I totally agree that there are times when the gender of the person is irrelevant, or no-one?s business but theirs. ?The person? is singular. ?They? is (are) plural. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Sep 2020, at 08:57, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? I find "they" quite useful when referring to a non-specific person who could be of either sex. Unfortunately we don't have a gender-free pronoun in English, except "it", which doesn't really work for a human being. [snip] ------ Original Message ------ From: "techtone via Tech1" To: Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Saturday, 19 Sep, 20 At 20:57 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Try Again Er, slightly beg to differ, I have no problem with saying 'he' or 'she' but I often need to hide the gender of someone I'm quoting, so that 'they' remain anonymous, whilst 'they' may become easily identifiable otherwise. And I'm sure you know I hate to besmirch other people's reputations with my comments! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Saturday, 19 September 2020 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Something that jarrs with me every time I see it is when people write ?they? when referring to a singular person, simply because they don?t have the guts to say ?he? or ?she?. OK, I understand that things aren?t that straightforward nowadays, but ?they? is plural whoever you apply it to. Misusing it in that way is like the worst possible musical discord to my ear. I sense I?m in the right company here to get a modicum of agreement! (Hopefully). Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 04:47:20 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 10:47:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: References: <7952cf2.513f.174aa842740.Webtop.110@btinternet.com> Message-ID: There is a good article called *Sex and gender distinction* here: https://wiki2.org/en/Sex_and_gender_distinction I don't want to get involved much in this discussion, except to say that it may take a century or so for the dust to settle. But here's a gender-free pronoun to apply to people: s/he. I suspect that it was devised by a feminist. I find myself using s/he occasionally when the sex (some might say *gender*) of a person is unknown. I find it rather ugly, but it will do until something better is invented. KW On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 09:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > That was my point - there seems to be a missing, but obviously needed, > word in the English language. And it can have a knock-on effect, when the > scenario might continue with: ?they? were (was) later seen speeding off...? > etc. > And I totally agree that there are times when the gender of the person is > irrelevant, or no-one?s business but theirs. > ?The person? is singular. ?They? is (are) plural. > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 20 Sep 2020, at 08:57, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > > I find "they" quite useful when referring to a non-specific person who > could be of either sex. Unfortunately we don't have a gender-free pronoun > in English, except "it", which doesn't really work for a human being. > > [snip] > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "techtone via Tech1" > To: > Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" > Sent: Saturday, 19 Sep, 20 At 20:57 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Try Again > > Er, slightly beg to differ, I have no problem with saying 'he' or 'she' > but I often need to hide the gender of someone I'm quoting, so that 'they' > remain anonymous, whilst 'they' may become easily identifiable otherwise. > And I'm sure you know I hate to besmirch other people's reputations with my > comments! > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > ??????? Original Message ??????? > On Saturday, 19 September 2020 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > Something that jarrs with me every time I see it is when people write > ?they? when referring to a singular person, simply because they don?t have > the guts to say ?he? or ?she?. OK, I understand that things aren?t that > straightforward nowadays, but ?they? is plural whoever you apply it to. > Misusing it in that way is like the worst possible musical discord to my > ear. > I sense I?m in the right company here to get a modicum of agreement! > (Hopefully). > > Nick. > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Sep 20 05:23:35 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 11:23:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> One man's horder is another's careful one, in this throwaway society. ;-) In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ;-) Hordes - unless they are squirrelling them away (hoarding them). > Or Cambridge Dictionary: ?hoard - to keep a large number of things that are not needed or have no value, because you are suffering from a mental condition....? > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 19 Sep 2020, at 17:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > # > Do you think they are having trouble selling them? > Well it must be terrible with hoards of visitors heading for the studios. > Mike > [cid:2EC2D810-B3F2-4AB0-8634-4072DBE89947]-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sun Sep 20 06:11:11 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 12:11:11 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> My wife despairs of my habit of not throwing away ?useful? stuff. During lockdown, I made a lovely oak unit to house our bedroom HiFi, made entirely out of wooden flooring salvaged from a neighbour?s project. It was a near perfect match in colour and style for the bedside cabinets she bought several years ago. Recently I made an insulated replacement trap door for the loft, again out of oak. This time with left overs from some fitted bookshelves I built a couple of years ago, along with some of the floorboards set on edge to provide the depth to accommodate the insulation and also make a neat edging. She felt it was a little heavy to comfortably lift in and out, so a motor and gearbox salvaged ages ago, along with some sturdy pulleys saved from an old garage door mechanism, have been adapted to make an electrically operated loft door, which majestically raises and lowers, controlled by a switch ( and battery ) in the airing cupboard. Every part of it was made from ?useless junk?, which had been lying around. Even the bushes for the bearings were home made by filling off cuts of copper water pipe with molten scrap lead and boring it out to the right diameter ( the swarf from drilling them out was of course molten down and became new scrap lead ) . Memories of white metal bearings on elderly car engines were the inspiration. The batteries themselves are some of the old rechargeable batteries used to power my sound gear. She reluctantly concedes that some bits of junk aren?t totally useless. The problem now is that with the easy access into the loft, she might see how much useless junk I store in the loft. Alan Taylor > On 20 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?One man's horder is another's careful one, in this throwaway society. ;-) > > > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> ;-) Hordes - unless they are squirrelling them away (hoarding them). >> Or Cambridge Dictionary: ?hoard - to keep a large number of things that are not needed or have no value, because you are suffering from a mental condition....? >> Cheers, >> N. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 19 Sep 2020, at 17:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> >> # >> Do you think they are having trouble selling them? >> Well it must be terrible with hoards of visitors heading for the studios. > >> Mike >> [cid:2EC2D810-B3F2-4AB0-8634-4072DBE89947]-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From alanaudio at me.com Sun Sep 20 06:57:23 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 12:57:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Try Again In-Reply-To: References: <7952cf2.513f.174aa842740.Webtop.110@btinternet.com> Message-ID: There are often traps for the unwary when translating phrases from one language to another. I was working in the Spanish Basque country when Princess Diana gave birth to one of the princes. An English language version of a local Bilbao newspaper ran a huge headline "Congratulations, it's a child". I asked my Basque friend what they were expecting? Maybe a kitten ... or perchance a gosling? She explained that they have one word for a boy child and a different word for a girl child, but either of them would be translated into English as child. Talking of names for young animals. I was doing a show from a coastal nature centre where they were talking about cormorants. Much mirth was caused among the crew when the female cormorant expert explained how it will soon be time for shaglets. ..... I'd have settled for a quick tea break, but you can add a punch line of your choice. My wife's favourite example of translating accurately, but giving a dodgy impression is a quote from Goethe. In German it's "Denn ein wackerer Mann verdient ein begatertes Madchen". It's usually seen translated as "For a brave man deserves a well-endowed girl". She would translate it as "For a brave man deserves a clever girl." How's that for a result? I bring you both smut and culture, within one short quote. Alan Taylor On 20 Sep 2020, at 20 Sep . 10:47, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > There is a good article called Sex and gender distinction here: > > https://wiki2.org/en/Sex_and_gender_distinction > > I don't want to get involved much in this discussion, except to say that it may take a century or so for the dust to settle. But here's a gender-free pronoun to apply to people: s/he. I suspect that it was devised by a feminist. I find myself using s/he occasionally when the sex (some might say gender) of a person is unknown. I find it rather ugly, but it will do until something better is invented. > KW > > On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 09:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > That was my point - there seems to be a missing, but obviously needed, word in the English language. And it can have a knock-on effect, when the scenario might continue with: ?they? were (was) later seen speeding off...? etc. > And I totally agree that there are times when the gender of the person is irrelevant, or no-one?s business but theirs. > ?The person? is singular. ?They? is (are) plural. > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 20 Sep 2020, at 08:57, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> >> I find "they" quite useful when referring to a non-specific person who could be of either sex. Unfortunately we don't have a gender-free pronoun in English, except "it", which doesn't really work for a human being. > [snip] >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> >> From: "techtone via Tech1" >> >> To: >> >> Cc: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" >> >> Sent: Saturday, 19 Sep, 20 At 20:57 >> >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Try Again >> >> >> >> Er, slightly beg to differ, I have no problem with saying 'he' or 'she' but I often need to hide the gender of someone I'm quoting, so that 'they' remain anonymous, whilst 'they' may become easily identifiable otherwise. And I'm sure you know I hate to >> besmirch other people's reputations with my comments! >> >> >> >> >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sent with >> ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ??????? Original Message ??????? >> >> >> On Saturday, 19 September 2020 19:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Something that jarrs with me every time I see it is when people write ?they? when referring to a singular person, simply because they don?t have the guts to say ?he? or ?she?. OK, I understand that things aren?t that straightforward nowadays, >> but ?they? is plural whoever you apply it to. Misusing it in that way is like the worst possible musical discord to my ear. >> >> >> >> >> I sense I?m in the right company here to get a modicum of agreement! (Hopefully). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Nick. >> >> >> >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Sep 20 08:40:41 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 14:40:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> Message-ID: <58b2f94a94davesound@btinternet.com> A man after my own heart. I'm doing some mods and updating to the separate loo here - not so much used these days as the bathroom now has one too. And realised all the timber etc used in it came for free from the Thames skip. Money was very tight then, so it was done for pennies. Nice little story there. Reason for the update is the cistern is beyond repair. Sadly not the original Thomas T cast iron one, or I'd have persevered. But a rather unattractive 50s plastic one, fitted before I bought the house. The loo is an original Victorian thunderbox, and that's staying. Found a nice white porcelain Victorian repro online. Free delivery. Knock on the door. Delivery driver had parked his vast truck at the end of the road. Finding me in, brought it here using a small forklift - it was on a standard wood pallet. Given it weighs about 25 Kg, a bit overkill. But perhaps to prevent damage. He dumped the pallet in the street, and suggested I take the contents indoors. He went back to his truck. Got a knife to cut off all the shrink wrap, and carried the box indoors. On seeing this, he came back to take a pic of it in the house - proof of delivery? And expected him to take the pallet away. No, he said. No room in the truck. Which went down well here. Moved it on to the payment,and propped it up against the garden wall. Intending to cut it up small enough to go in the car the next day, and take down the tip. A real waste of my time. On going to do so the next morning, it was gone. ;-) In article <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79 at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My wife despairs of my habit of not throwing away ?useful? stuff. > During lockdown, I made a lovely oak unit to house our bedroom HiFi, > made entirely out of wooden flooring salvaged from a neighbour?s > project. It was a near perfect match in colour and style for the bedside > cabinets she bought several years ago. > Recently I made an insulated replacement trap door for the loft, again > out of oak. This time with left overs from some fitted bookshelves I > built a couple of years ago, along with some of the floorboards set on > edge to provide the depth to accommodate the insulation and also make a > neat edging. She felt it was a little heavy to comfortably lift in and > out, so a motor and gearbox salvaged ages ago, along with some sturdy > pulleys saved from an old garage door mechanism, have been adapted to > make an electrically operated loft door, which majestically raises and > lowers, controlled by a switch ( and battery ) in the airing cupboard. > Every part of it was made from ?useless junk?, which had been lying > around. Even the bushes for the bearings were home made by filling off > cuts of copper water pipe with molten scrap lead and boring it out to > the right diameter ( the swarf from drilling them out was of course > molten down and became new scrap lead ) . Memories of white metal > bearings on elderly car engines were the inspiration. The batteries > themselves are some of the old rechargeable batteries used to power my > sound gear. > She reluctantly concedes that some bits of junk aren?t totally useless. > The problem now is that with the easy access into the loft, she might > see how much useless junk I store in the loft. > Alan Taylor > > On 20 Sep 2020, at 11:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > #One man's horder is another's careful one, in this throwaway society. ;-) > > > > > > In article > > , > > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > >> ;-) Hordes - unless they are squirrelling them away (hoarding them). > >> Or Cambridge Dictionary: ?hoard - to keep a large number of things that are not needed or have no value, because you are suffering from a mental condition....? > >> Cheers, > >> N. > >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > >>> On 19 Sep 2020, at 17:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > >> > >> # > >> Do you think they are having trouble selling them? > >> Well it must be terrible with hoards of visitors heading for the studios. > > > >> Mike > >> [cid:2EC2D810-B3F2-4AB0-8634-4072DBE89947]-- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Sep 20 12:45:08 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:45:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> Message-ID: <5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com> My Dad was a trained engineer (Thorneycroft) and never threw anything away ?in case it comes in useful!? But how may times do you have a clear out, then two days later realise that the very thing you need has gone! Dad bought me a 16? x 8? shed for the garden that I made into a cinema, years before I entertained ideas of joining the Beeb, see pics, attached (I had always hankered after a Bell & Howell 16mm projector that came in a wooden case, but beyond my pocket money, so built an 8mm projector into a facsimile) Also the ?projection room? was rigged as a darkroom for photo processing and a chap who lived up the road was in Film PR and gave me a load of posters for decoration. That was my first tape recorder, owned long before I joined the BBC and played with real ones! Then later in the film industry, acquiring the lovely Nagras. Dad won it back when it was needed as a workshop to service our two Triumph Heralds, parked on the lawn outside. He built a workbench from the teak boarded crates that shipped our stuff home from Singapore, after his 3-year posting with REME. I still have the teak boards, and they survive as part of my loft flooring. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 20 September 2020 12:11 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Up for sale! My wife despairs of my habit of not throwing away ?useful? stuff. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(Joodges) If the new series is really going to involve same-sex couples, I won?t be tuning in! (So which bloke is going to wear the ballgown?) Further un-favourite moments are with the steadycam framing when ?dancing? with the couples. Astaire always insisted on being framed top to toe, thus one could see the whole body and footwork. Doesn?t happen on ?Strictly?. The judges can see the feet, but that?s denied to the viewers. Come on, Director, get it together! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 19 September 2020 22:11 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Favourite Strictly moment > On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:06, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > ?I see we're being asked for our favourite Strictly moment. > > I'll start the ball rolling with the - > > "Produced and Directed by......." caption. > > Alasdair Lawrance -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Sep 20 19:05:24 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 01:05:24 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: <1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> <5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com> <1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> OK, you asked for it! I?ve always been interested in the presentation of films. I attended Ewell Technical College (now Nescot) which had a proper projection room on the floor above the main hall. Apart from running the free 16mm films from BP and other libraries, I instituted evening screenings of classic movies. We didn?t get enough support financially from the students to hire the prints, so opened up a membership to all the local residents ? much leafletting ensued. The hall had a drop down roller screen behind the procs arch, but when we ran a foreign film with subtitles, the hall not having raked seating, meant that the back row couldn?t see the subtitles. So I managed to get the screen mounted higher up in front of the procs arch! Think the Principal was impressed with me as he gave me a testimonial which got me into the BBC, before they saw my A Level results! A West Country friend wanted a film show for his daughters, so I went the whole hog. First considered hiring a 35mm projector from Sammies, but too complicated, so eventually acquired a couple of 16mm Elf?s, hiring the prints from Filmbank, a library. Bought a nine foot folding screen from Harkness Hall which make the screens for all the cinemas inc IMAX. We got away with mounting outdoor screenings for six years, weather wise, but it blew over the first time I put up the screen. My friends? daughters rushing in to announce the disaster. Although I had twin projectors and was geared up for reel changeovers, my chum wanted a reel break to flog a few more glasses of wine/beer ? proceeds for charity, and the punters got a supper, too! The audio was via a Bose Acoustiwave, about ?800 but I now only use it for my computer sound. I got bored with the quality of 16mm optical sound, so switched to video projection off Bluray discs. Th other pics are of the six foot screen, but for Fiddler on the Roof I managed to install the nine foot one. My friend there has a hi-fi set in the right place, so audio is OK, via a SQN mixer for local control. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net Sent: 20 September 2020 20:52 To: pat.heigham at amps.net Subject: Re: [Tech1] Up for sale! Great post Pat lets have more !! Best wishes? Paul -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 749FA63596EA4394933A29DE331DAF98.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Sep 21 02:38:03 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 07:38:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments Message-ID: ? ? The 2019 ?Strictly Final drew in 11.3 million viewers, so they must be doing something right. Viewing is optional if you don?t like it. Keep Fiddling! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Sep 2020, at 19:12, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I used to like ?Strictly? with the original judges line-up. Len was the sheet anchor, Darcey was kind at offering constructive criticism ? always encouraging, Bruno - good value from the comedy side, but Craig could be horribly beastly and denigrating ? yes, he?s a professional choreographer, but the guys and girls in the competition are amateurs ? you cannot submit them to the same scrutiny as if you were auditioning. I never took to Claudia, and Tess ? well she?s pretty but her northern accent really grated on my southern ears! (Joodges) If the new series is really going to involve same-sex couples, I won?t be tuning in! (So which bloke is going to wear the ballgown?) Further un-favourite moments are with the steadycam framing when ?dancing? with the couples. Astaire always insisted on being framed top to toe, thus one could see the whole body and footwork. Doesn?t happen on ?Strictly?. The judges can see the feet, but that?s denied to the viewers. Come on, Director, get it together! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 19 September 2020 22:11 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Favourite Strictly moment > On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:06, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > ?I see we're being asked for our favourite Strictly moment. > > I'll start the ball rolling with the - > > "Produced and Directed by......." caption. > > Alasdair Lawrance ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Mon Sep 21 02:55:06 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:55:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com><05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com><5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com><1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> Re: film clubs and reel change I was part of the team that ran the Film Projection Unit at school (back in the early 60s) One job was showing the Sunday evening films to the boarders in the school main hall. There was a removable window in the side of the Geography Room (hence GR on the chair) and various types of speakers on the stage (until some idiot thought a clutch of warship type round cans spread along the walls would be better and which of course gave great echo but no directivity) Our old 16mm Bell and Howell projector did great service though once I had to carry by rail and tube it all the way from Brentwood to be serviced in a place by Shepherds Bush Market. The fairly regular broken film gave splicing experience and a quick sniff of the film cement! I seem to remember the films arrived by post from somewhere in London and were collected from the Post Office in town. I haven?t got a picture but we also had an old (wooden?) Epidiascope for showing 3 1/4? slides and served as an early overhead projector for paperwork. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Craig is the only honest judge who judges the dancing, pure and simple. He?s not being beastly, just doing what he is asked to and his criticism is frequently constructive and helpful. By the way Bruno is also a professional choreographer as well as a clown. I do agree though that the direction is appalling. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 08:38 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments ? ? The 2019 ?Strictly Final drew in 11.3 million viewers, so they must be doing something right. Viewing is optional if you don?t like it. Keep Fiddling! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Sep 2020, at 19:12, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: ? I used to like ?Strictly? with the original judges line-up. Len was the sheet anchor, Darcey was kind at offering constructive criticism ? always encouraging, Bruno - good value from the comedy side, but Craig could be horribly beastly and denigrating ? yes, he?s a professional choreographer, but the guys and girls in the competition are amateurs ? you cannot submit them to the same scrutiny as if you were auditioning. I never took to Claudia, and Tess ? well she?s pretty but her northern accent really grated on my southern ears! (Joodges) If the new series is really going to involve same-sex couples, I won?t be tuning in! (So which bloke is going to wear the ballgown?) Further un-favourite moments are with the steadycam framing when ?dancing? with the couples. Astaire always insisted on being framed top to toe, thus one could see the whole body and footwork. Doesn?t happen on ?Strictly?. The judges can see the feet, but that?s denied to the viewers. Come on, Director, get it together! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 19 September 2020 22:11 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Favourite Strictly moment > On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:06, Alasdair Lawrance > wrote: > > ?I see we're being asked for our favourite Strictly moment. > > I'll start the ball rolling with the - > > "Produced and Directed by......." caption. > > Alasdair Lawrance _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Sep 21 03:54:41 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:54:41 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments In-Reply-To: <000001d68ff1$e57ad110$b0707330$@gmail.com> References: <000001d68ff1$e57ad110$b0707330$@gmail.com> Message-ID: BBC Bristol NPC once produced a doco about ice skating, omitting the feet and skates. It had to be reshot. It was directed by an ex skater? ( who was also the wife of theHead of NPC). > On 21 Sep 2020, at 09:33, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > Nick, Pat > It seems some people have selective memories on this forum. > Darcey Bussell was not one of the original judges, Tess and Claudia took over presenting role from the dreaded Brucie, and the same sex pairing that is proposed contains Nicola Adams. As I heard one critic say, ?if you don?t like the idea complain to her face to face? You could get a painful punch on the nose! Not much chance of males wearing ballgowns in that pair. > Craig is the only honest judge who judges the dancing, pure and simple. > He?s not being beastly, just doing what he is asked to and his criticism is frequently constructive and helpful. > By the way Bruno is also a professional choreographer as well as a clown. > > I do agree though that the direction is appalling. > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 21 September 2020 08:38 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments > > ? > ? > The 2019 ?Strictly Final drew in 11.3 million viewers, so they must be doing something right. Viewing is optional if you don?t like it. Keep Fiddling! > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > >> On 20 Sep 2020, at 19:12, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? >> I used to like ?Strictly? with the original judges line-up. Len was the sheet anchor, Darcey was kind at offering constructive criticism ? always encouraging, Bruno - good value from the comedy side, but Craig could be horribly beastly and denigrating ? yes, he?s a professional choreographer, but the guys and girls in the competition are amateurs ? you cannot submit them to the same scrutiny as if you were auditioning. >> I never took to Claudia, and Tess ? well she?s pretty but her northern accent really grated on my southern ears! (Joodges) >> If the new series is really going to involve same-sex couples, I won?t be tuning in! (So which bloke is going to wear the ballgown?) >> >> Further un-favourite moments are with the steadycam framing when ?dancing? with the couples. Astaire always insisted on being framed top to toe, thus one could see the whole body and footwork. Doesn?t happen on ?Strictly?. The judges can see the feet, but that?s denied to the viewers. Come on, Director, get it together! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: 19 September 2020 22:11 >> To: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Favourite Strictly moment >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:06, Alasdair Lawrance > wrote: >> > >> > ?I see we're being asked for our favourite Strictly moment. >> > >> > I'll start the ball rolling with the - >> > >> > "Produced and Directed by......." caption. >> > >> > Alasdair Lawrance >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Sep 21 03:55:23 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:55:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments In-Reply-To: <000001d68ff1$e57ad110$b0707330$@gmail.com> References: <000001d68ff1$e57ad110$b0707330$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Not sure what the probem is with the thought of two girls dancing together! When I was a gawky teenager, at dances all the boys kept to the edge of the room and the girls danced together round their handbags. ? Graeme Wall > On 21 Sep 2020, at 09:33, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > Nick, Pat > It seems some people have selective memories on this forum. > Darcey Bussell was not one of the original judges, Tess and Claudia took over presenting role from the dreaded Brucie, and the same sex pairing that is proposed contains Nicola Adams. As I heard one critic say, ?if you don?t like the idea complain to her face to face? You could get a painful punch on the nose! Not much chance of males wearing ballgowns in that pair. > Craig is the only honest judge who judges the dancing, pure and simple. > He?s not being beastly, just doing what he is asked to and his criticism is frequently constructive and helpful. > By the way Bruno is also a professional choreographer as well as a clown. > > I do agree though that the direction is appalling. > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 21 September 2020 08:38 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments > > ? > ? > The 2019 ?Strictly Final drew in 11.3 million viewers, so they must be doing something right. Viewing is optional if you don?t like it. Keep Fiddling! > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > >> On 20 Sep 2020, at 19:12, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> I used to like ?Strictly? with the original judges line-up. Len was the sheet anchor, Darcey was kind at offering constructive criticism ? always encouraging, Bruno - good value from the comedy side, but Craig could be horribly beastly and denigrating ? yes, he?s a professional choreographer, but the guys and girls in the competition are amateurs ? you cannot submit them to the same scrutiny as if you were auditioning. >> I never took to Claudia, and Tess ? well she?s pretty but her northern accent really grated on my southern ears! (Joodges) >> If the new series is really going to involve same-sex couples, I won?t be tuning in! (So which bloke is going to wear the ballgown?) >> >> Further un-favourite moments are with the steadycam framing when ?dancing? with the couples. Astaire always insisted on being framed top to toe, thus one could see the whole body and footwork. Doesn?t happen on ?Strictly?. The judges can see the feet, but that?s denied to the viewers. Come on, Director, get it together! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: 19 September 2020 22:11 >> To: Tech Ops List >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Favourite Strictly moment >> >> >> >> >> >> > On 19 Sep 2020, at 22:06, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: >> > >> > ?I see we're being asked for our favourite Strictly moment. >> > >> > I'll start the ball rolling with the - >> > >> > "Produced and Directed by......." caption. >> > >> > Alasdair Lawrance >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 21 04:58:36 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 10:58:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments In-Reply-To: <000001d68ff1$e57ad110$b0707330$@gmail.com> References: <000001d68ff1$e57ad110$b0707330$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f68794c.1c69fb81.b003d.9e2b@mx.google.com> Gosh, I think that in my case, the memory is not ?selective? but defective! I?d totally forgotten Brucie. The attached satirical comment was submitted to Private Eye, but rejected! For amusement only. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness Sent: 21 September 2020 09:33 To: 'Nick Ware'; 'patheigham' Cc: tech1 Subject: RE: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments Nick, Pat It seems some people have selective memories on this forum. Tess and Claudia took over presenting role from the dreaded Brucie, -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: News reports we would like to see.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 22140 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 21 05:26:12 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:26:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments In-Reply-To: References: <000001d68ff1$e57ad110$b0707330$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f687fc4.1c69fb81.8e183.2638@mx.google.com> This does remind me of an all batchelor Irish holiday around the Ring of Kerry. All four of us went to a local village dance, where the girls sat one side of the hall, the boys the other. When the last waltz was announced, there was a concerted rush across the floor by the lads to claim a partner, as it seemed that they could walk the girl home afterwards, with maybe a bit of a snog in the dark. That?s when the fights started: ? I saw her first ? she?s mine,(thump)? etc. Independently, all 4 of us latched on to a very pretty lass, who turned out to be a nurse, working in Bath. She was really friendly and hospitable and organised a picnic for us ? but she brought her boyfriend along, a large rugby player! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall Sent: 21 September 2020 09:55 To: David Denness Cc: Nick Ware; patheigham; Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments Not sure what the probem is with the thought of two girls dancing together! When I was a gawky teenager, at dances all the boys kept to the edge of the room and the girls danced together round their handbags. ? Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 21 05:43:33 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 11:43:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f6883d6.1c69fb81.b9f00.3dee@mx.google.com> In the earlier days of Strictly, it was the only Hi-Key Glitzy programme that smacked of show biz, there being no Palladium or Minstrels or Cotton?s Band show ? so it was good entertainment. I got quite good at anticipating the judge?s scores, and correctly predicted Kara Tointon as the 2010 final winner. I still think that Craig can be unnecessarily harsh, though. The lighting has progressed a long way since Tommy Moncrieff?s use of Strand 23?s projecting floor patterns in the TVT! The current BGT lighting stuff is amazing, too. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 08:38 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Un-Favourite Strictly moments ? ? The 2019 ?Strictly Final drew in 11.3 million viewers, so they must be doing something right. Viewing is optional if you don?t like it. Keep Fiddling! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Sep 2020, at 19:12, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I used to like ?Strictly? with the original judges line-up. Len was the sheet anchor, Darcey was kind at offering constructive criticism ? always encouraging, Bruno - good value from the comedy side, but Craig could be horribly beastly and denigrating ? yes, he?s a professional choreographer, but the guys and girls in the competition are amateurs ? you cannot submit them to the same scrutiny as if you were auditioning. I never took to Claudia, and Tess ? well she?s pretty but her northern accent really grated on my southern ears! (Joodges) If the new series is really going to involve same-sex couples, I won?t be tuning in! (So which bloke is going to wear the ballgown?) ? Further un-favourite moments are with the steadycam framing when ?dancing? with the couples. Astaire always insisted on being framed top to toe, thus one could see the whole body and footwork. Doesn?t happen on ?Strictly?. The judges can see the feet, but that?s denied to the viewers. Come on, Director, get it together! ? Pat ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 21 06:36:16 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 12:36:16 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com><05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com><5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com><1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <5f689030.1c69fb81.68735.551b@mx.google.com> Interesting that many subsequent BBC Tech-Ops types had similar interests! The Tech College I mentioned earlier, boasted two BTH 301 projectors, so we could run feature films with changeovers. One showing could have been disaster, as the evening Spanish class needed one of the machines. So we went ahead with running a 3 hr show on a single projector. Prepared the end of the first reel ready to do a cement splice, and wound off the last 100 feet into a large cardboard box, with someone making sure that the film fed out properly. When we grabbed the end, smacked into the splicer, then wound back the remaining film onto the supply reel. As soon as the splice went through, it was broken away and the new spool mounted. All well, until it was discovered that there was a 180 degree twist, so more spooling off and twiddling of the new supply spool! The poor machine was pretty hot by the end, but I think we may have engineered a hair dryer blowing cold, aimed at the lamphouse! Did have a slide projector standing by with a prepared slide apologising for any breakdowns. Great fun! At the time, I was allowed to borrow a machine to take home and run a film show for my friends. Mum ironed a sheet which was pinned up in the lounge window, and I used black crepe paper for the edge maskings. When I left the College this was no longer possible, but I discovered that I could borrow from the Surrey Visual Aids dept. But I had to be certified! This meant a couple of training sessions at Reigate, intended for teachers at the local schools to be competent to play with the kit. When the instructor discovered that I was BBC staff, I became a second instructor, since he realised I knew about it all. So I got my certificate, which I have to this day! I had a lovely girlfriend at College, who wanted to join the Film Club, and proved faster and more deft than I was at setting up and running the projectors. Operating one of the feature shows, we were huddled together, peering through the projection port, when her long auburn hair got caught up in the turns of the take-up spool! Can?t remember how we sorted that one! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan Sent: 21 September 2020 08:55 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Up for sale! Re: film clubs and reel change ? I was part of the team that ran the Film Projection Unit at school (back in the early 60s) One job was showing the Sunday evening films to the boarders in the school main hall. There was a removable window in the side of the Geography Room (hence GR on the chair) and various types of speakers on the stage (until some idiot thought a clutch of warship type round cans spread along the walls would be better and which of course gave great echo but no directivity) Our old 16mm Bell and Howell projector did great service though once I had to carry by rail and tube it all the way from Brentwood to be serviced in a place by Shepherds Bush Market. The fairly regular broken film gave splicing experience and a quick sniff of the film cement! I seem to remember the films arrived by post from somewhere in London and were collected from the Post Office in town. I haven?t got a picture but we also had an old (wooden?) Epidiascope for showing 3 1/4? slides and served as an early overhead projector for paperwork. ? Mike ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> Wonderful ? I never knew her, but what a career! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 15:32 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? Ella Slack used to be a drama floor manager, then was manager of sport. She used to call Derek Martin and I her "tweenies" on Softly Softly, which I think is a reference to her Brownie group.? Anyway, here she is now - https://youtu.be/jnNPDQWkCRI B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Sep 21 10:44:45 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 16:44:45 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> Message-ID: She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:20, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Wonderful ? I never knew her, but what a career! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *21 September 2020 15:32 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Remember Ella? > > Ella Slack used to be a drama floor manager, then was manager of > sport. She used to call Derek Martin and I her "tweenies" on Softly > Softly, which I think is a reference to her Brownie group. > > Anyway, here she is now - https://youtu.be/jnNPDQWkCRI > > B > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 21 10:57:03 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 16:57:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 13:32:51 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:32:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> <5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com> <1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> Message-ID: Did an over-eager English teacher have a go at editing the programme details? I ask because although a comma is grammatically correct in "I'm alright, Jack" it is more usual to use the original form in such a case, and this has no comma. Also "Alright" should have been changed to All Right for the same reason (although it is a matter of opinion whether or not "Alright" is a normally acceptable alternative to All Right). KW On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 08:55, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Re: film clubs and reel change > > I was part of the team that ran the Film Projection Unit at school (back > in the early 60s) > One job was showing the Sunday evening films to the boarders in the school > main hall. > There was a removable window in the side of the Geography Room (hence GR > on the chair) and various types of speakers on the stage (until some idiot > thought a clutch of warship type round cans spread along the walls would be > better and which of course gave great echo but no directivity) > Our old 16mm Bell and Howell projector did great service though once I had > to carry by rail and tube it all the way from Brentwood to be serviced in a > place by Shepherds Bush Market. > The fairly regular broken film gave splicing experience and a quick sniff > of the film cement! > I seem to remember the films arrived by post from somewhere in London and > were collected from the Post Office in town. > I haven?t got a picture but we also had an old (wooden?) Epidiascope for > showing 3 1/4? slides and served as an early overhead projector for > paperwork. > > Mike > > [image: Filmclub_reelchange] > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Filmclub_reelchange[2].jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 53748 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Sep 21 14:42:18 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 20:42:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: > > Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? > > I do ! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv > *Sent: *21 September 2020 16:44 > *To: *patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing > Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 15:40:40 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:40:40 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.beer at talktalk.net Mon Sep 21 15:42:18 2020 From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:42:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Ella Slack Message-ID: <67615f5c-652c-4576-a7a2-21bcf3706df3@talktalk.net> She was a regular visitor to my father's shoe repair shop in W Norwood back in the 70's. He would have been chuffed to know that the 'Queen' was one of his customers! ?Get BlueMail for Android ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Sep 21 16:03:42 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 22:03:42 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! ? Graeme Wall > On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! > Dave D > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 > To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave > On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? >> >> I do ! >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: dave.mdv >> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 >> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >> >> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon Sep 21 17:27:59 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 23:27:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> <5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com> <1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <721A60D9-86EF-4927-929E-1378030A8358@mac.com> Apparently the first known use of ?alright" dates from 1865 and in my book has a different meaning from ?all right?. Compare ?Your answers were all right? with ? Your answers were alright? ~ the first is unambiguous that there were no mistakes, whereas the second, depending on intonation, could well suggest that you?ve done reasonably well, but certainly not perfectly. Mike G > On 21 Sep 2020, at 19:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > Did an over-eager English teacher have a go at editing the programme details? I ask because although a comma is grammatically correct in "I'm alright, Jack" it is more usual to use the original form in such a case, and this has no comma. Also "Alright" should have been changed to All Right for the same reason (although it is a matter of opinion whether or not "Alright" is a normally acceptable alternative to All Right). > KW > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 08:55, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: > Re: film clubs and reel change > > I was part of the team that ran the Film Projection Unit at school (back in the early 60s) > One job was showing the Sunday evening films to the boarders in the school main hall. > There was a removable window in the side of the Geography Room (hence GR on the chair) and various types of speakers on the stage (until some idiot thought a clutch of warship type round cans spread along the walls would be better and which of course gave great echo but no directivity) > Our old 16mm Bell and Howell projector did great service though once I had to carry by rail and tube it all the way from Brentwood to be serviced in a place by Shepherds Bush Market. > The fairly regular broken film gave splicing experience and a quick sniff of the film cement! > I seem to remember the films arrived by post from somewhere in London and were collected from the Post Office in town. > I haven?t got a picture but we also had an old (wooden?) Epidiascope for showing 3 1/4? slides and served as an early overhead projector for paperwork. > > Mike > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Sep 21 18:24:34 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 00:24:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> Message-ID: <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: > Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! >> Dave D >> >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >> Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 >> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >> >> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave >> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >>> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? >>> >>> I do ! >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: dave.mdv >>> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 >>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>> >>> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 00:06:23 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:06:23 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: <721A60D9-86EF-4927-929E-1378030A8358@mac.com> References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> <5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com> <1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> <721A60D9-86EF-4927-929E-1378030A8358@mac.com> Message-ID: I agree with the different meanings you give for "all right" and "alright", but sometimes these expressions are used to mean the same thing, and some bodies feel that "all right" is the only correct form. For example, Dictionary.com states that "it is not all right to use alright in standard English". As I said, that is a matter of opinion. But my concern was about altering the title of the film. KW On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 23:28, Mike Giles wrote: > Apparently the first known use of ?alright" dates from 1865 and in my book > has a different meaning from ?all right?. Compare ?Your answers were all > right? with ? Your answers were alright? ~ the first is unambiguous that > there were no mistakes, whereas the second, depending on intonation, could > well suggest that you?ve done reasonably well, but certainly not perfectly. > > Mike G > > > On 21 Sep 2020, at 19:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: > > Did an over-eager English teacher have a go at editing the programme > details? I ask because although a comma is grammatically correct in "I'm > alright, Jack" it is more usual to use the original form in such a case, > and this has no comma. Also "Alright" should have been changed to All Right > for the same reason (although it is a matter of opinion whether or not > "Alright" is a normally acceptable alternative to All Right). > KW > > > On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 08:55, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Re: film clubs and reel change >> >> I was part of the team that ran the Film Projection Unit at school (back >> in the early 60s) >> One job was showing the Sunday evening films to the boarders in the >> school main hall. >> There was a removable window in the side of the Geography Room (hence GR >> on the chair) and various types of speakers on the stage (until some idiot >> thought a clutch of warship type round cans spread along the walls would be >> better and which of course gave great echo but no directivity) >> Our old 16mm Bell and Howell projector did great service though once I >> had to carry by rail and tube it all the way from Brentwood to be serviced >> in a place by Shepherds Bush Market. >> The fairly regular broken film gave splicing experience and a quick sniff >> of the film cement! >> I seem to remember the films arrived by post from somewhere in London and >> were collected from the Post Office in town. >> I haven?t got a picture but we also had an old (wooden?) Epidiascope for >> showing 3 1/4? slides and served as an early overhead projector for >> paperwork. >> >> Mike >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Sep 22 01:54:08 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 07:54:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <408E26E3-4C22-41C6-BFA6-0CBA50DAF045@icloud.com> Doh! Should have guessed! ? Graeme Wall > On 22 Sep 2020, at 00:24, dave.mdv wrote: > > Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave > > On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: >> Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! >>> Dave D >>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>> Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 >>> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave >>> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >>>> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? >>>> I do ! >>>> Pat >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> From: dave.mdv >>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 >>>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Tue Sep 22 01:57:41 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:57:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Up for sale! In-Reply-To: References: <58b2e73ec7davesound@btinternet.com> <05E269DA-764C-4895-ABD1-DFCACB4BCC79@me.com> <5f679525.1c69fb81.30674.67db@mx.google.com> <1600631555.bgda6iuaoksgg8cw@webmail.uwclub.net> <5f67ee43.1c69fb81.b009a.dee0@mx.google.com> <2A4E66E8D6454EC491F6BB1D71B00EAA@Gigabyte> <721A60D9-86EF-4927-929E-1378030A8358@mac.com>, Message-ID: As long as we can agree when it?s right to use all right or alright, that?s OK. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Sep 2020, at 06:07, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ? I agree with the different meanings you give for "all right" and "alright", but sometimes these expressions are used to mean the same thing, and some bodies feel that "all right" is the only correct form. For example, Dictionary.com states that "it is not all right to use alright in standard English". As I said, that is a matter of opinion. But my concern was about altering the title of the film. KW On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 23:28, Mike Giles > wrote: Apparently the first known use of ?alright" dates from 1865 and in my book has a different meaning from ?all right?. Compare ?Your answers were all right? with ? Your answers were alright? ~ the first is unambiguous that there were no mistakes, whereas the second, depending on intonation, could well suggest that you?ve done reasonably well, but certainly not perfectly. Mike G On 21 Sep 2020, at 19:32, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: Did an over-eager English teacher have a go at editing the programme details? I ask because although a comma is grammatically correct in "I'm alright, Jack" it is more usual to use the original form in such a case, and this has no comma. Also "Alright" should have been changed to All Right for the same reason (although it is a matter of opinion whether or not "Alright" is a normally acceptable alternative to All Right). KW On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 at 08:55, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: Re: film clubs and reel change I was part of the team that ran the Film Projection Unit at school (back in the early 60s) One job was showing the Sunday evening films to the boarders in the school main hall. There was a removable window in the side of the Geography Room (hence GR on the chair) and various types of speakers on the stage (until some idiot thought a clutch of warship type round cans spread along the walls would be better and which of course gave great echo but no directivity) Our old 16mm Bell and Howell projector did great service though once I had to carry by rail and tube it all the way from Brentwood to be serviced in a place by Shepherds Bush Market. The fairly regular broken film gave splicing experience and a quick sniff of the film cement! I seem to remember the films arrived by post from somewhere in London and were collected from the Post Office in town. I haven?t got a picture but we also had an old (wooden?) Epidiascope for showing 3 1/4? slides and served as an early overhead projector for paperwork. Mike -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 03:45:56 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:45:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I would allow it. The rules are - No politics No fighting No files bigger that 10Mb ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point B On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited > version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question > about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave > > On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: >> Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I >>> spent at TVC knew! >>> Dave D >>> ? From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv >>> via Tech1 >>> Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 >>> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>> ? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! >>> Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had >>> 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave >>> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >>>> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? >>>> ? I do ! >>>> Pat >>>> ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> ? From: dave.mdv >>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 >>>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>> ? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over >>>> Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 03:53:27 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:53:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <408E26E3-4C22-41C6-BFA6-0CBA50DAF045@icloud.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> <408E26E3-4C22-41C6-BFA6-0CBA50DAF045@icloud.com> Message-ID: Another YouTube we've been looking at is this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzvI4p6ncqk . It's a family thing as my wife briefly features (white tee shirt) , and my younger son has been asking the equivalent of "What did you do in the war, daddy?" I've played it a few times in the last couple of days for various reasons, and I sort of? find that the BBCtv colour starting shot makes me feel quite proud that I was there - though I had moved to Pres by the time Swap Shop started. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 22 04:04:06 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 10:04:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com> I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who christened Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that Brian always walked around as if his boots were filled with porridge! And so it stuck. I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at TVC, but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way as the Norfolk Broads town. I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much too expensive for you, Pat!? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 21:40 To: 'dave.mdv' Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? ? I do ! Pat ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? ? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the likely reason because I've met somebody else who had an abrasive personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing his nickname with 'fur". When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname "Tess" and he didn't know why. I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. Her maiden name had been Tickle. Alan Taylor On 22 Sep 2020, at 22 Sep . 09:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I would allow it. > > The rules are - > > No politics > No fighting > No files bigger that 10Mb > > ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point > > B > > > > On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: >>> Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! >>>> Dave D >>>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 >>>> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave >>>> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >>>>> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? >>>>> I do ! >>>>> Pat >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> From: dave.mdv >>>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 >>>>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>>> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> Message-ID: I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. I wonder if anyone remembers an incident in the TVC canteen one lunchtime, when a young sounding female voice came on the Tannoy and announced: ?PBX calling Mr Tickle?, followed by a cute little giggle before releasing the button. Had the whole canteen in fits. I always wondered what cad put her up to that! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Sep 2020, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the likely reason because I've met somebody else who had an abrasive personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing his nickname with 'fur". When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname "Tess" and he didn't know why. I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. Her maiden name had been Tickle. Alan Taylor On 22 Sep 2020, at 22 Sep . 09:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: I would allow it. The rules are - No politics No fighting No files bigger that 10Mb ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point B On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! ? Graeme Wall On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Muir and Norden used to torment him by ringing his desk and have him page for ?Mr. Andrew Pandy? and ?Would the cast of The Woodentops please return to the studio?. Eric took it all in good part, and sadly died just a few weeks after being compulsorily retired, as he had nothing left to live for. So sad ? he was unfailingly polite and correct to whoever crossed the threshold, be they superstars or lowly technicians. I wonder just how many excellent shows were spawned in the side bar that was frequented by the LE directors/producers like Duncan Wood and ?Main drain? (I have a nice personalised ?thank you? memo from Duncan for my work on Steptoe). My ?piece de resistance? was creating a water hammer effect when Harold installed central heating to their ramshackle dwelling! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 22 September 2020 10:36 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname ?"Tess" and he didn't know why. ?I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. ?Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. ?She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. ?Her maiden name had been Tickle. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 05:22:53 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:22:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com> <539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <001001d690ca$554e0ba0$ffea22e0$@gmail.com> Nick, Your description of Brian Hiles motorcycling apparel is completely true. From: Nick Way Sent: 22 September 2020 10:52 To: patheigham ; patheigham via Tech1 ; David Denness ; dave.mdv Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? ...I believe Brian Hiles had a pair of sheep's wool lined boots he wore on his motorcycle. The lining was turned over the top and looked like he'd stepped into porridge filled boots and it was spilling over the top, well that's what Dick (Richard) Green told me! Stay safe everyone... Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 10:04 patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who christened Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that Brian always walked around as if his boots were filled with porridge! And so it stuck. I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at TVC, but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way as the Norfolk Broads town. I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much too expensive for you, Pat!? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 21:40 To: 'dave.mdv' Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham >; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 173 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 05:26:26 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:26:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> Message-ID: <001601d690ca$d400e3f0$7c02abd0$@gmail.com> The TVC canteen announcement from the 60?s I will always remember was ?would the cast of The Woodentops please return to the studio? Fits of laughter ensued Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 22 September 2020 11:19 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. I wonder if anyone remembers an incident in the TVC canteen one lunchtime, when a young sounding female voice came on the Tannoy and announced: ?PBX calling Mr Tickle?, followed by a cute little giggle before releasing the button. Had the whole canteen in fits. I always wondered what cad put her up to that! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Sep 2020, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: ? I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the likely reason because I've met somebody else who had an abrasive personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing his nickname with 'fur". When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname "Tess" and he didn't know why. I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. Her maiden name had been Tickle. Alan Taylor On 22 Sep 2020, at 22 Sep . 09:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: I would allow it. The rules are - No politics No fighting No files bigger that 10Mb ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point B On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! ? Graeme Wall On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 05:45:33 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:45:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> Message-ID: The Mrs Tickle & Tess joke is far far older than Everett. Tommy Hanley occasionally referred to charwoman Lola Tickle?s daughter as ?Tess? in pre Mrs-Mopp ITMA in the very early 40s. It was probably a music hall gag even earlier than that. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 11:19 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. I wonder if anyone remembers an incident in the TVC canteen one lunchtime, when a young sounding female voice came on the Tannoy and announced: ?PBX calling Mr Tickle?, followed by a cute little giggle before releasing the button. Had the whole canteen in fits. I always wondered what cad put her up to that! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Sep 2020, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the likely reason because I've met somebody else who had an abrasive personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing his nickname with 'fur". When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname "Tess" and he didn't know why. I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. Her maiden name had been Tickle. Alan Taylor On 22 Sep 2020, at 22 Sep . 09:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I would allow it. The rules are - No politics No fighting No files bigger that 10Mb ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point B On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! ? Graeme Wall On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 22 05:49:39 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:49:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> Message-ID: <5f69d6c3.1c69fb81.fc6d9.b03b@mx.google.com> I don?t remember the TVC canteen bit, but the announcing of guests was a closing item on ?I?m Sorry, I Haven?t A Clue?. Sounds a bit like Barry Cryer, or Ronnie Barker, but Barry wrote for Barker and Everett. I loved Kenny?s outrageous humour ? kicking against the establishment. He was regularly fired, proving that the BBC echelon had no sense of humour. Remember the Bentine episode where he launched the TVC into space, causing a stiff memo that: ?The Television Centre is not to be used for entertainment!? Reith might have penned that, but we?ve moved on, haven?t we? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 22 September 2020 11:19 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. I wonder if anyone remembers an incident in the TVC canteen one lunchtime, when a young sounding female voice came on the Tannoy and announced: ?PBX calling Mr Tickle?, followed by a cute little giggle before releasing the button. Had the whole canteen in fits. I always wondered what cad put her up to that! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 22 Sep 2020, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the likely reason because ?I've met somebody else who had an abrasive personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing his nickname with 'fur". When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname ?"Tess" and he didn't know why. ?I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. ?Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. ?She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. ?Her maiden name had been Tickle. 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Cheers, Dave On 22/09/2020 11:22, David Denness wrote: > > Nick, > > Your description of Brian Hiles motorcycling apparel is completely true. > > *From:*Nick Way > *Sent:* 22 September 2020 10:52 > *To:* patheigham ; patheigham via Tech1 > ; David Denness ; > dave.mdv > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > ...I believe Brian Hiles had a pair of sheep's wool lined boots he > wore on his motorcycle. The lining was turned over the top and looked > like he'd stepped into porridge filled boots and it was spilling over > the top, well that's what Dick (Richard) Green told me! > > Stay safe everyone... > > Nick WAY > > On 22/09/2020 10:04 patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite > liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! > > Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who christened > Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that Brian always > walked around as if his boots were filled with porridge! And so it > stuck. > > I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at TVC, > but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an > ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way > as the Norfolk Broads town. > > I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show > drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one > of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I > complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I > returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much > too expensive for you, Pat!? > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *David Denness via Tech1 > *Sent: *21 September 2020 21:40 > *To: *'dave.mdv' > *Cc: *tech1 > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I > spent at TVC knew! > > Dave D > > *From:* Tech1 > *On Behalf Of *dave.mdv via > Tech1 > *Sent:* 21 September 2020 20:42 > *To:* patheigham >; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! > Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he > had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave > > On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: > > Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? > > I do ! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv > *Sent: *21 September 2020 16:44 > *To: *patheigham ; > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat > over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! > Cheers, Dave > > Avast logo > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus > software. > www.avast.com > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 173 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Sep 22 06:09:15 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:09:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> Message-ID: At Southern we had a PA looking for a certain film editor walk into the canteen and ask ?Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?" ? Graeme Wall > On 22 Sep 2020, at 11:19, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. > I wonder if anyone remembers an incident in the TVC canteen one lunchtime, when a young sounding female voice came on the Tannoy and announced: ?PBX calling Mr Tickle?, followed by a cute little giggle before releasing the button. Had the whole canteen in fits. I always wondered what cad put her up to that! > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 22 Sep 2020, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the likely reason because I've met somebody else who had an abrasive personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing his nickname with 'fur". >> >> When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname "Tess" and he didn't know why. I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. Her maiden name had been Tickle. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> On 22 Sep 2020, at 22 Sep . 09:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> I would allow it. >>> >>> The rules are - >>> >>> No politics >>> No fighting >>> No files bigger that 10Mb >>> >>> ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: >>>>> Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! >>>>>> Dave D >>>>>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 >>>>>> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>>>> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave >>>>>> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >>>>>>> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? >>>>>>> I do ! >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>> From: dave.mdv >>>>>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 >>>>>>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>>>>> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Sep 22 06:18:05 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:18:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] nicknames In-Reply-To: <78507743-adee-d93d-4512-a33bb1c4b9d7@btinternet.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com><5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com><5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com><819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com><006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com><5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com><539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk><001001d690ca$554e0ba0$ffea22e0$@gmail.com> <78507743-adee-d93d-4512-a33bb1c4b9d7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <74AC4A95A8E549DAAFB1BD6735449174@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> That was Frank Rose of course who christened himself horse as he assessed his appearance as being equine. Loads of people?s memories of his nicknames for others have appeared here before ? they were all brilliant. I was ?the Short-haired puma?. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:07 PM To: David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames There was a TM , nicknamed 'Hoss', who gave lots of people nicknames, including Brian Hiles. Cheers, Dave On 22/09/2020 11:22, David Denness wrote: Nick, Your description of Brian Hiles motorcycling apparel is completely true. From: Nick Way mailto:nick at nickway.co.uk Sent: 22 September 2020 10:52 To: patheigham mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net; patheigham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; David Denness mailto:ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com; dave.mdv mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? ...I believe Brian Hiles had a pair of sheep's wool lined boots he wore on his motorcycle. The lining was turned over the top and looked like he'd stepped into porridge filled boots and it was spilling over the top, well that's what Dick (Richard) Green told me! Stay safe everyone... Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 10:04 patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who christened Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that Brian always walked around as if his boots were filled with porridge! And so it stuck. I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at TVC, but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way as the Norfolk Broads town. I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much too expensive for you, Pat!? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 21:40 To: 'dave.mdv' Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 173 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Sep 22 06:21:43 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:21:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FE0709F-5311-42DB-A493-148576ED8113@me.com> When clients book a number of hotel rooms for the crew and don?t allocate rooms to specific names, I sometimes sign in using the name Hugh G. Wrecksherne. Alan Taylor > On 22 Sep 2020, at 12:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?At Southern we had a PA looking for a certain film editor walk into the canteen and ask ?Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?" > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 22 Sep 2020, at 11:19, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. >> I wonder if anyone remembers an incident in the TVC canteen one lunchtime, when a young sounding female voice came on the Tannoy and announced: ?PBX calling Mr Tickle?, followed by a cute little giggle before releasing the button. Had the whole canteen in fits. I always wondered what cad put her up to that! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>>> On 22 Sep 2020, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the likely reason because I've met somebody else who had an abrasive personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing his nickname with 'fur". >>> >>> When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, but she had the nickname "Tess" and he didn't know why. I wondered if it might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of the d'Urbervilles. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less intellectual than that. She had married a couple of years before and her previous nickname remained in use. Her maiden name had been Tickle. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 22 Sep 2020, at 22 Sep . 09:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>>> I would allow it. >>>> >>>> The rules are - >>>> >>>> No politics >>>> No fighting >>>> No files bigger that 10Mb >>>> >>>> ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave >>>>> >>>>> On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: >>>>>> Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! >>>>>>> Dave D >>>>>>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 >>>>>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 >>>>>>> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>>>>> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave >>>>>>> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >>>>>>>> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? >>>>>>>> I do ! >>>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>>> From: dave.mdv >>>>>>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 >>>>>>>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >>>>>>>> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! Cheers, Dave >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 22 06:43:28 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:43:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5f69e360.1c69fb81.1c546.bdd3@mx.google.com> As I regard the forum as being a virtual tea bar chat situation, ?politics? would surely be a topic. We are all entitled to our opinions with the facility to agree or disagree -that?s the free speech and voting system that we in this country enjoy. But maybe a certain amount of censorship needs to be in place, but wielded carefully. I?m aware that if a rebellious element wishes to take over a country, the first target is the broadcaster station as that is the channel for propaganda, or brainwashing! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 September 2020 09:46 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I would allow it. The rules are - No politics No fighting No files bigger that 10Mb ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 22 06:47:08 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:47:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> Message-ID: <5f69e43c.1c69fb81.84960.b961@mx.google.com> I?d heard that story ? so it?s true, then! (How many hands went up?) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 Sent: 22 September 2020 12:09 To: Nick Ware Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? At Southern we had a PA looking for a certain film editor walk into the canteen and ask ?Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?" ? Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Sep 22 08:23:56 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:23:56 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] nicknames In-Reply-To: <74AC4A95A8E549DAAFB1BD6735449174@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com><5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com><5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com><819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com><006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com><5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com><539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk><001001d690ca$554e0ba0$ffea22e0$@gmail.com><78507743-adee-d93d-4512-a33bb1c4b9d7@btinternet.com> <74AC4A95A8E549DAAFB1BD6735449174@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: I might also have mentioned (as many will doubtless recall) that Frank routinely used the plural of his own nickname as a catch-all term for the crew in general, as in ?right, horses ? tea now, back in ten?. Another of his idiosyncrasies was to run his hand in a trembling motion up the back of your neck, inducing shivers in the days when most sported relatively close haircuts. The Brian Hiles recollections remind me he wasn?t at all keen on Porridge Boots. Also he was once, in my hearing, the victim of a classic Al Tuson gem. Like many folk, Brian had a spell of enthusiasm for tracing his family history which prompted Al to comment ?your trouble, Hiles, is you?re suffering from Genereal Disease?. Like the Eric & Ernie gems, these things never leave you! Dave Newbitt. From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:18 PM To: dave.mdv ; David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames That was Frank Rose of course who christened himself horse as he assessed his appearance as being equine. Loads of people?s memories of his nicknames for others have appeared here before ? they were all brilliant. I was ?the Short-haired puma?. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:07 PM To: David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames There was a TM , nicknamed 'Hoss', who gave lots of people nicknames, including Brian Hiles. Cheers, Dave On 22/09/2020 11:22, David Denness wrote: Nick, Your description of Brian Hiles motorcycling apparel is completely true. From: Nick Way mailto:nick at nickway.co.uk Sent: 22 September 2020 10:52 To: patheigham mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net; patheigham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; David Denness mailto:ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com; dave.mdv mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? ...I believe Brian Hiles had a pair of sheep's wool lined boots he wore on his motorcycle. The lining was turned over the top and looked like he'd stepped into porridge filled boots and it was spilling over the top, well that's what Dick (Richard) Green told me! Stay safe everyone... Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 10:04 patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who christened Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that Brian always walked around as if his boots were filled with porridge! And so it stuck. I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at TVC, but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way as the Norfolk Broads town. I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much too expensive for you, Pat!? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 21:40 To: 'dave.mdv' Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! 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What a tragic loss he was. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Sep 22 08:47:25 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:47:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] nicknames In-Reply-To: <2096987468.198201.1600781281502@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com><5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com><5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com><819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com><006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com><5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com><539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk><001001d690ca$554e0ba0$ffea22e0$@gmail.com><78507743-adee-d93d-4512-a33bb1c4b9d7@btinternet.com> <74AC4A95A8E549DAAFB1BD6735449174@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2096987468.198201.1600781281502@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: Arizona Al? I may be way off with this Nick but I can picture Al on horseback in Wild West country sporting a Stetson! I?ve mentioned in older posts what a great bloke I always found Al to be. He was in fact (genereal jibe apart) pretty clued up about family research and piloted me on my first foray into the General Register tomes in the days before they left Somerset House. When you look at the sophistication of online records research as now available it seems a miracle that anyone got anything like the results from ploughing laboriously through those ancient hand-written registers. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Way Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 2:28 PM To: David Newbitt ; David Newbitt via Tech1 ; dave.mdv ; David Denness Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames ...I had my own nickname for Al Tuson, but no one ever understood or used: Arizona Al. Best, Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 14:23 David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I might also have mentioned (as many will doubtless recall) that Frank routinely used the plural of his own nickname as a catch-all term for the crew in general, as in ?right, horses ? tea now, back in ten?. Another of his idiosyncrasies was to run his hand in a trembling motion up the back of your neck, inducing shivers in the days when most sported relatively close haircuts. The Brian Hiles recollections remind me he wasn?t at all keen on Porridge Boots. Also he was once, in my hearing, the victim of a classic Al Tuson gem. Like many folk, Brian had a spell of enthusiasm for tracing his family history which prompted Al to comment ?your trouble, Hiles, is you?re suffering from Genereal Disease?. Like the Eric & Ernie gems, these things never leave you! Dave Newbitt. From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:18 PM To: dave.mdv ; David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames That was Frank Rose of course who christened himself horse as he assessed his appearance as being equine. Loads of people?s memories of his nicknames for others have appeared here before ? they were all brilliant. I was ?the Short-haired puma?. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:07 PM To: David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames There was a TM , nicknamed 'Hoss', who gave lots of people nicknames, including Brian Hiles. Cheers, Dave On 22/09/2020 11:22, David Denness wrote: Nick, Your description of Brian Hiles motorcycling apparel is completely true. From: Nick Way mailto:nick at nickway.co.uk Sent: 22 September 2020 10:52 To: patheigham mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net; patheigham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; David Denness mailto:ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com; dave.mdv mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? ...I believe Brian Hiles had a pair of sheep's wool lined boots he wore on his motorcycle. The lining was turned over the top and looked like he'd stepped into porridge filled boots and it was spilling over the top, well that's what Dick (Richard) Green told me! Stay safe everyone... Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 10:04 patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who christened Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that Brian always walked around as if his boots were filled with porridge! And so it stuck. I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at TVC, but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way as the Norfolk Broads town. I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much too expensive for you, Pat!? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 21:40 To: 'dave.mdv' Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 22 Sep 2020, at 14:30, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I'd say that idea was nicked from R4's Give us a Clue. > > > In article > , > Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> I'm afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on names: "Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess., as if announcing guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Sep 22 08:51:01 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 14:51:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <58b3ff46e0davesound@btinternet.com> References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> <58b3ff46e0davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5990797B14CE4BDABF3DB550FA516638@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Of course there was always the celebrated "headmaster, let me introduce Mr & Mrs Bates and their son Master Bates.....". Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 2:22 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I'd say that idea was nicked from R4's Give us a Clue. In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on > names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing > guests at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss > he was. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From nick at nickway.co.uk Tue Sep 22 09:10:50 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 15:10:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] nicknames In-Reply-To: References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com><5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com><5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com><819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com><006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com><5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com><539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk><001001d690ca$554e0ba0$ffea22e0$@gmail.com><78507743-adee-d93d-4512-a33bb1c4b9d7@btinternet.com> <74AC4A95A8E549DAAFB1BD6735449174@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2096987468.198201.1600781281502@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: <111961223.200862.1600783850653@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Talk about missing the bleedin? obvious! Dave Newbitt From: Nick Way Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 3:10 PM To: David Newbitt ; David Newbitt via Tech1 ; dave.mdv ; David Denness Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames I was working on Tucson, Arizona! Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 14:47 David Newbitt wrote: Arizona Al? I may be way off with this Nick but I can picture Al on horseback in Wild West country sporting a Stetson! I?ve mentioned in older posts what a great bloke I always found Al to be. He was in fact (genereal jibe apart) pretty clued up about family research and piloted me on my first foray into the General Register tomes in the days before they left Somerset House. When you look at the sophistication of online records research as now available it seems a miracle that anyone got anything like the results from ploughing laboriously through those ancient hand-written registers. Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Way Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 2:28 PM To: David Newbitt ; David Newbitt via Tech1 ; dave.mdv ; David Denness Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames ...I had my own nickname for Al Tuson, but no one ever understood or used: Arizona Al. Best, Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 14:23 David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: I might also have mentioned (as many will doubtless recall) that Frank routinely used the plural of his own nickname as a catch-all term for the crew in general, as in ?right, horses ? tea now, back in ten?. Another of his idiosyncrasies was to run his hand in a trembling motion up the back of your neck, inducing shivers in the days when most sported relatively close haircuts. The Brian Hiles recollections remind me he wasn?t at all keen on Porridge Boots. Also he was once, in my hearing, the victim of a classic Al Tuson gem. Like many folk, Brian had a spell of enthusiasm for tracing his family history which prompted Al to comment ?your trouble, Hiles, is you?re suffering from Genereal Disease?. Like the Eric & Ernie gems, these things never leave you! Dave Newbitt. From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:18 PM To: dave.mdv ; David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames That was Frank Rose of course who christened himself horse as he assessed his appearance as being equine. Loads of people?s memories of his nicknames for others have appeared here before ? they were all brilliant. I was ?the Short-haired puma?. Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:07 PM To: David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] nicknames There was a TM , nicknamed 'Hoss', who gave lots of people nicknames, including Brian Hiles. Cheers, Dave On 22/09/2020 11:22, David Denness wrote: Nick, Your description of Brian Hiles motorcycling apparel is completely true. From: Nick Way mailto:nick at nickway.co.uk Sent: 22 September 2020 10:52 To: patheigham mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net; patheigham via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; David Denness mailto:ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com; dave.mdv mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? ...I believe Brian Hiles had a pair of sheep's wool lined boots he wore on his motorcycle. The lining was turned over the top and looked like he'd stepped into porridge filled boots and it was spilling over the top, well that's what Dick (Richard) Green told me! Stay safe everyone... Nick WAY On 22/09/2020 10:04 patheigham via Tech1 wrote: I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who christened Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that Brian always walked around as if his boots were filled with porridge! And so it stuck. I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at TVC, but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way as the Norfolk Broads town. I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much too expensive for you, Pat!? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 21:40 To: 'dave.mdv' Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I spent at TVC knew! Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? I do ! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! 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I can not for the life of me remember how this conversation came about, or who with ...I think it must have been with one of the make up girls who stood around in the studio wafting face-towels soaked with Eau-de-cologne - particularly, I seem to recall, during recordings of "Dixon of Dock Green".? The chat went something like this ... "... the cameramen think they can invite us down to the pub, buy us a drink and get a packet of crisps, and then hope to get a leg over.? The sparks, on the other hand, whisk us off to a fancy restaurant and buy us a really good meal with nice wine ..." Never forgot that, but on the other hand, never got anywhere with any make-up girl ... -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 11:59:37 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:59:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2A450BCC-31BF-4A7F-A808-15F3EEB16A47@me.com> Message-ID: - At Anglia TV our weather man on the daily news program About Anglia was a Mike Hunt. When the female newsreader handed over to him she used to say "And now here is the weather from Mike Hunt". A kindly director put her right - after a week or two. On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 at 12:09, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > At Southern we had a PA looking for a certain film editor walk into the > canteen and ask ?Has anyone seen Mike Hunt?" > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > > > On 22 Sep 2020, at 11:19, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > > > I?m afraid to say, I prefer the Kenny Everett telling of that play on > names: ?Mr And Mrs Tickle and their daughter Tess?, as if announcing guests > at some posh event. One of numerous ones he did. What a tragic loss he was. > > > I wonder if anyone remembers an incident in the TVC canteen one > lunchtime, when a young sounding female voice came on the Tannoy and > announced: ?PBX calling Mr Tickle?, followed by a cute little giggle before > releasing the button. Had the whole canteen in fits. I always wondered what > cad put her up to that! > > > Cheers, > > > Nick. > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > > >> On 22 Sep 2020, at 10:36, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > >> > > >> ? I never knew Norman, but as soon as somebody said that his nickname > was KIm and they didn't know why, I would have hazarded a guess at the > likely reason because I've met somebody else who had an abrasive > personality. but for no obvious reason was called KIm and when I asked > somebody why he was called that, it was suggested that I tried prefacing > his nickname with 'fur". > > >> > > >> When my son was in the 6th form, one of his teachers was Mrs Bennet, > but she had the nickname "Tess" and he didn't know why. I wondered if it > might be a sophisticated literary reference, somehow likening aspects of > her personality with Jane Austen's Mrs Bennet and Thomas Hardy's Tess of > the d'Urbervilles. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be rather less > intellectual than that. She had married a couple of years before and her > previous nickname remained in use. Her maiden name had been Tickle. > > >> > > >> Alan Taylor > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On 22 Sep 2020, at 22 Sep . 09:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I would allow it. > > >>> > > >>> The rules are - > > >>> > > >>> No politics > > >>> No fighting > > >>> No files bigger that 10Mb > > >>> > > >>> ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point > > >>> > > >>> B > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 22/09/2020 00:24, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > >>>> Sorry Graeme, I don't think that Bernie would allow the unedited > version but you can work it out from the reaction to any question about > someone who is unpopular with the phrase 'f**k'im'! Cheers, Dave > > >>>> > > >>>> On 21/09/2020 22:03, Graeme Wall wrote: > > >>>>> Don?t keep us mere cameramen in suspense! > > >>>>> ? > > >>>>> Graeme Wall > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On 21 Sep 2020, at 21:40, David Denness via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I > spent at TVC knew! > > >>>>>> Dave D > > >>>>>> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv > via Tech1 > > >>>>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 20:42 > > >>>>>> To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > >>>>>> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! > Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he had > 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave > > >>>>>> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: > > >>>>>>> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called ?Kim? > > >>>>>>> I do ! > > >>>>>>> Pat > > >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > >>>>>>> From: dave.mdv > > >>>>>>> Sent: 21 September 2020 16:44 > > >>>>>>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > >>>>>>> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat over > Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to know! 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URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Tue Sep 22 14:17:31 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 19:17:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] buying a drink In-Reply-To: <54de1d7f-8fe8-8730-7b9d-9c428f651d76@gmail.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com> <539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk> <001001d690ca$554e0ba0$ffea22e0$@gmail.com> <78507743-adee-d93d-4512-a33bb1c4b9d7@btinternet.com> <54de1d7f-8fe8-8730-7b9d-9c428f651d76@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, the eau-de-cologne chamois leather I think it was, waved around to keep it cool. I can't remember which boiling hot production I was working on, but staggering home in the wee small hours (after an overrun) I got it in the neck,, 'Who've you been out with 'til this time, smelling like a tart's boudoir?' Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ??????? Original Message ??????? On Tuesday, 22 September 2020 17:03, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > Pat Heigham via Tech1 wrote: > > > one of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I > > complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. > > I can not for the life of me remember how this conversation came about, > or who with ...I think it must have been with one of the make up girls > who stood around in the studio wafting face-towels soaked with > Eau-de-cologne - particularly, I seem to recall, during recordings of > "Dixon of Dock Green".? The chat went something like this ... > > "... the cameramen think they can invite us down to the pub, buy us a > drink and get a packet of crisps, and then hope to get a leg over.? The > sparks, on the other hand, whisk us off to a fancy restaurant and buy us > a really good meal with nice wine ..." > > Never forgot that, but on the other hand, never got anywhere with any > make-up girl ... > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 15:13:55 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 21:13:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <5f69e360.1c69fb81.1c546.bdd3@mx.google.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> <5f69e360.1c69fb81.1c546.bdd3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I'd be happy to set up "Pat's Political Forum" as a separate entity. B On 22/09/2020 12:43, patheigham wrote: > > As I regard the forum as being a virtual tea bar chat situation, > ?politics? would surely be a topic. We are all entitled to our > opinions with the facility to agree or disagree -that?s the free > speech and voting system that we in this country enjoy. But maybe a > certain amount of censorship needs to be in place, but wielded carefully. > > I?m aware that if a rebellious element wishes to take over a country, > the first target is the broadcaster station as that is the channel for > propaganda, or brainwashing! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *22 September 2020 09:46 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc: *Bernard Newnham > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? > > I would allow it. > > The rules are - > > No politics > No fighting > No files bigger that 10Mb > > ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point > > B > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Sep 22 15:53:27 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 21:53:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Al Tuson In-Reply-To: References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <5f69be06.1c69fb81.e9956.255a@mx.google.com> <539149830.194050.1600768335608@email.ionos.co.uk> <001001d690ca$554e0ba0$ffea22e0$@gmail.com> <78507743-adee-d93d-4512-a33bb1c4b9d7@btinternet.com> <74AC4A95A8E549DAAFB1BD6735449174@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <622a8e2d-2a40-2cf6-49ae-a0d94b15c195@btinternet.com> ?Al also got me into family history research! Having 'crewed down' (as you did!) we would go up to Kingsway and wade through all those tomes. Al was quite proud of the fact that he was descended from the 'ugenots, as he said, missing off the leading 'H'. As for PBX paging calls the favourite one in Kendal Avenue was to ask them to page Rigger Mortice. Cheers, Dave On 22/09/2020 14:23, David Newbitt wrote: > I might also have mentioned (as many will doubtless recall) that Frank > routinely used the plural of his own nickname as a catch-all term for > the crew in general, as in ?right, horses ? tea now, back in ten?. > Another of his idiosyncrasies was to run his hand in a trembling > motion up the back of your neck, inducing shivers in the days when > most sported relatively close haircuts. > The Brian Hiles recollections remind me he wasn?t at all keen on > Porridge Boots. Also he was once, in my hearing, the victim of a > classic Al Tuson gem. Like many folk, Brian had a spell of enthusiasm > for tracing his family history which prompted Al to comment ?your > trouble, Hiles, is you?re suffering from Genereal Disease?. > Like the Eric & Ernie gems, these things never leave you! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* David Newbitt via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:18 PM > *To:* dave.mdv ; David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] nicknames > That was Frank Rose of course who christened himself horse as he > assessed his appearance as being equine. Loads of people?s memories of > his nicknames for others have appeared here before ? they were all > brilliant. I was ?the Short-haired puma?. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:07 PM > *To:* David Denness ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] nicknames > > There was a TM , nicknamed 'Hoss', who gave lots of people nicknames, > including Brian Hiles. Cheers, Dave > > On 22/09/2020 11:22, David Denness wrote: >> >> Nick, >> >> Your description of Brian Hiles motorcycling apparel is completely true. >> >> *From:*Nick Way mailto:nick at nickway.co.uk >> *Sent:* 22 September 2020 10:52 >> *To:* patheigham mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net; patheigham via Tech1 >> mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; David Denness >> mailto:ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com; dave.mdv mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >> >> ...I believe Brian Hiles had a pair of sheep's wool lined boots he >> wore on his motorcycle. The lining was turned over the top and looked >> like he'd stepped into porridge filled boots and it was spilling over >> the top, well that's what Dick (Richard) Green told me! >> >> Stay safe everyone... >> >> Nick WAY >> >> On 22/09/2020 10:04 patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> I?ve no idea how Bennet came by the nickname of ?Kim? I quite >> liked him as a person, but he must have upset someone along the way! >> >> Speaking of nicknames, I think it was Johnny Holmes who >> christened Brian Hiles: ?Porridge Boots? as he remarked that >> Brian always walked around as if his boots were filled with >> porridge! And so it stuck. >> >> I don?t think I was notorious enough to warrant a nickname at >> TVC, but was called ?Potter? at school, by the Gym instructor, an >> ex-military PTI, simply because my surname was spelt the same way >> as the Norfolk Broads town. >> >> I shall always remember Johnny Holmes, as during an after show >> drink in the Club, it became my shout, and up at the bar was one >> of the make-up girls looking stunning in a green trouser suit. I >> complimented her and included her in the round of drinks. As I >> returned to our table, Johnny shook his head sadly, saying: ?Much >> too expensive for you, Pat!? >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> >> *From: *David Denness via Tech1 >> *Sent: *21 September 2020 21:40 >> *To: *'dave.mdv' >> *Cc: *tech1 >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >> >> I think all the sound crews I was on in the nearly five years I >> spent at TVC knew! >> >> Dave D >> >> *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of >> *dave.mdv via Tech1 >> *Sent:* 21 September 2020 20:42 >> *To:* patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >> >> So do I! I asked the same question when I started work at TVC! >> Being promoted twice 'in his absence'(!) we all reckoned that he >> had 'something' on someone high up. Cheers, Dave >> >> On 21/09/2020 16:57, patheigham wrote: >> >> Didn?t know that, but does anyone remember why he was called >> ?Kim? >> >> I do ! >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail >> for Windows 10 >> >> *From: *dave.mdv >> *Sent: *21 September 2020 16:44 >> *To: *patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? >> >> She and Norman 'Kim' Bennet were an 'item', and had a flat >> over Ealing Broadway station. Just thought you'd like to >> know! 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Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 173 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Sep 23 06:16:50 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 12:16:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> <5f69e360.1c69fb81.1c546.bdd3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <375173e5.b63a.174baae2cb7.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> I can see the advantage of NO POLITICS (possible including no racism, no religion-ism), because at the moment we all seem to be friends, a situation which seems well worth preserving. It would be tragic if such an affable network should disintegrate into factional bickering, or our Disorganised Lunches (should Covid allow them) turn into sectarian battles. The problem with political conversations is that, deep down, we're all utter bigots - however Liberal our bigotry may be. We all want to argue our own point of view, but none of us are really interested in listening to, or being persuaded by any alternative point of view. So, what should be reasonable discussions just end up as shouting matches - Completely pointless wastes of breath (or typing). The only argument worth having in this forum is - "Cameras are better than Sound! NO! Sound are better than Camera!" I can respect both points of view in that one and, however much we bicker, no one really means it, and we'll still buy one another a drink afterwards! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" To: "patheigham" ; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Tuesday, 22 Sep, 20 At 21:13 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I'd be happy to set up "Pat's Political Forum" as a separate entity. B On 22/09/2020 12:43, patheigham wrote: As I regard the forum as being a virtual tea bar chat situation, ?politics? would surely be a topic. We are all entitled to our opinions with the facility to agree or disagree -that?s the free speech and voting system that we in this country enjoy. But maybe a certain amount of censorship needs to be in place, but wielded carefully. I?m aware that if a rebellious element wishes to take over a country, the first target is the broadcaster station as that is the channel for propaganda, or brainwashing! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 September 2020 09:46 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I would allow it. The rules are - No politics No fighting No files bigger that 10Mb ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point B Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 09:06:30 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:06:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics Message-ID: Not spam, just something someone on Facebook was passing on https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 09:40:53 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 15:40:53 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501d691b7$8a954790$9fbfd6b0$@gmail.com> Sounds like a pile of doodoo to me Selective stats at best Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 23 September 2020 15:07 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics Not spam, just something someone on Facebook was passing on https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Sep 23 10:19:31 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:19:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics Message-ID: <27873D3E-06C2-4711-B68F-FA1A4227ED7A@me.com> ? The fundamental flaw is that those graphs are of deaths, which are a lagging indicator of Covid progression. Infection rates are increasing at an alarming rate and although the death rate is rising, it will take a couple of weeks before you would expect to see the death rate rising in the same manner that infection rate is currently rising which is 6,178 today. Compare that figure to seven days ago and seven days before that and you see how exponential growth works. As I mentioned a few months ago, the critical trend is the rate of increase of deaths or infections, specifically how long it takes to double ( or halve when things are improving ). At the peak, deaths were doubling every 3 days or so, but when the peak passed, deaths were only halving about every 28 days. We experienced a massive rate of rise compared to many other European countries and the rate of decline was slower than most. Previously I tracked death rates because that was a statistic which could not easily be distorted, unlike infection rates which are dependent on testing or interpretation. Death rates could be reasonably compared with other countries. However, even the death rates are being distorted as the only deaths now counted in the headline figures are those who die within 28 days of first being tested positive. It?s not at all uncommon for somebody to survive for more than 28 days after diagnosis and of course if somebody makes a partial recovery and subsequently dies from complications arising from Covid, it?s no longer counted in that headline figure. It?s not looking good and the signs have been clear for a while. We decided to cancel Christmas about a month ago and told our family that we won?t be hosting a big Christmas celebration in the way that we usually do. For anybody who understands how big a celebration Christmas is in German culture, deciding to drastically scale it down several months in advance is quite something Alan Taylor >> On 23 Sep 2020, at 15:41, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Sounds like a pile of doodoo to me > Selective stats at best > Dave D > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 23 September 2020 15:07 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics > > Not spam, just something someone on Facebook was passing on > > https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 23 10:23:52 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:23:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Remember Ella? In-Reply-To: <375173e5.b63a.174baae2cb7.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> References: <2399569b-884e-09e5-907e-2eb7638fe72a@gmail.com> <5f68c4ca.1c69fb81.3322.4110@mx.google.com> <5f68cd4f.1c69fb81.1d08f.1a02@mx.google.com> <819c4197-e996-d332-97db-28ec83fca021@btinternet.com> <006e01d69057$785a0bd0$690e2370$@gmail.com> <6A45A566-26A0-4175-BE0B-6E302BDE9A72@icloud.com> <46b3e953-4c13-ef9c-d52f-ecf3b926aa96@btinternet.com> <5f69e360.1c69fb81.1c546.bdd3@mx.google.com> <375173e5.b63a.174baae2cb7.Webtop.95@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5f6b6888.1c69fb81.16998.0810@mx.google.com> OK, no politics! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE Sent: 23 September 2020 12:16 To: Bernard Newnham; patheigham; tech1\@tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I can see the advantage of NO POLITICS (possible including no racism, no religion-ism), because at the moment we all seem to be friends, a situation which seems well worth preserving. It would be tragic if such an affable network should disintegrate into factional bickering, or our Disorganised Lunches (should Covid allow them) turn into sectarian battles. The problem with political conversations is that, deep down, we're all utter bigots - however Liberal our bigotry may be. We all want to argue our own point of view, but none of us are really interested in listening to, or being persuaded by any alternative point of view. So, what should be reasonable discussions just end up as shouting matches - Completely pointless wastes of breath (or typing). The only argument worth having in this forum is - "Cameras are better than Sound! NO! Sound are better than Camera!" I can respect both points of view in that one and, however much we bicker, no one really means it, and we'll still buy one another a drink afterwards! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" To: "patheigham" ; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Tuesday, 22 Sep, 20 At 21:13 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I'd be happy to set up "Pat's Political Forum" as a separate entity. B On 22/09/2020 12:43, patheigham wrote: As I regard the forum as being a virtual tea bar chat situation, ?politics? would surely be a topic. We are all entitled to our opinions with the facility to agree or disagree -that?s the free speech and voting system that we in this country enjoy. But maybe a certain amount of censorship needs to be in place, but wielded carefully. I?m aware that if a rebellious element wishes to take over a country, the first target is the broadcaster station as that is the channel for propaganda, or brainwashing! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 September 2020 09:46 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Remember Ella? I would allow it. The rules are - No politics No fighting No files bigger that 10Mb ...and any other rule I might decide to make up at some point B This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A594C70FF44E44D4B4D12BE40E322D0D.png Type: image/png Size: 154 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 7FEF4F6FDD684BBB9C38BF3D732B1924.png Type: image/png Size: 140 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Sep 23 10:41:39 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:41:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics In-Reply-To: <27873D3E-06C2-4711-B68F-FA1A4227ED7A@me.com> References: <27873D3E-06C2-4711-B68F-FA1A4227ED7A@me.com> Message-ID: <58b48fe008davesound@btinternet.com> Quite. One might also ponder that the weakest of the population may already have died of it. So a smaller percentage of those who catch it may die this time round. I have two friends who have had it. Both otherwise in good health and middle aged. Both have had complications after nominally recovering from it. It is rather more than the flu which generally doesn't have side effects. In article <27873D3E-06C2-4711-B68F-FA1A4227ED7A at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > The fundamental flaw is that those graphs are of deaths, which are a > lagging indicator of Covid progression. Infection rates are increasing > at an alarming rate and although the death rate is rising, it will take > a couple of weeks before you would expect to see the death rate rising > in the same manner that infection rate is currently rising which is > 6,178 today. Compare that figure to seven days ago and seven days > before that and you see how exponential growth works. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Sep 23 14:44:07 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 20:44:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics In-Reply-To: <000501d691b7$8a954790$9fbfd6b0$@gmail.com> References: <000501d691b7$8a954790$9fbfd6b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7739545b-038e-d3b3-16c0-d7a4d3af0bab@gmail.com> Well, I'm just a retired BBC producer, and don't have BE(Chem), CEng MIEI or anything else after my name, but I've looked at several Google pages on Ivor Cummins and he doesn't appear to hang out with David Icke or that mad nurse woman. He does however seem to have been working on on medical statistics for some time, so I thought he'd be worth a hearing, at least. B On 23/09/2020 15:40, David Denness wrote: > > Sounds like a pile of doodoo to me > > Selective stats at best > > Dave D > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 23 September 2020 15:07 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics > > Not spam, just something someone on Facebook was passing on > > https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac > > B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 24 01:53:17 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 07:53:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] This is worth a watch - Covid statistics In-Reply-To: <7739545b-038e-d3b3-16c0-d7a4d3af0bab@gmail.com> References: <7739545b-038e-d3b3-16c0-d7a4d3af0bab@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88589179-DD78-4336-9BE7-2DA230B77B76@me.com> He certainly makes a compelling case, but as a layman I was dubious about some of his points. The data he uses only goes as far as the first week of September and mostly concerns mortality rates. As I previously mentioned, mortality is a lagging indicator and infections were only starting to rise in the UK in early September , but have risen exponentially subsequently, with mortality rates rising appreciably in the last week or so. He was talking as though Covid was declining. He argues that Covid is a flu-like disease with a seasonal ebb and flow. By shifting graphs from the northern and southern hemisphere by six months to adjust for summer / winter, he makes a convincing case for seasonal trends. However I fail to see how that explains the upsurge which we are now experiencing. Our peak was in April and May, so if it is seasonal, why this upsurge in September? If it were an annual cycle, the upsurge shouldn?t happen until well after Christmas. He does cover his backside by suggesting that if a peak does occur in the run up to Christmas, it could be because we didn?t allow herd immunity to build up sufficiently due to having imposed a lockdown and mandating wearing of face masks - which he previously argued were ineffective. Comparisons with flu are contentious. Oxford University Health Authority is trying to understand exactly how Covid spreads. It?s known that Covid spreads by airborne transmission, but one variable is the size of the particles. If it?s droplets, then standard masks offer adequate protection, but if it?s fine aerosols, it?s more challenging. The key difference being that droplets are affected by gravity, follow a trajectory and fall to the ground quite rapidly, while fine aerosols linger In the air for prolonged durations, like particles from a smoke machine. It?s not necessarily one or the other, it could be both. The CCU ward where Janet works has recently been relocated from where it had been for decades. The new location has negative pressure ventilation, which would not have been possible in its original location. Essentially, air is sucked out of the ward and filtered before being circulated elsewhere, rather than filtered air being pumped into the room and then spreading from that ward. When the door to the ward is opened, air blows in. In somewhere like an operating theatre, the opposite happens for obvious reasons. It?s an ongoing study, but they?re spending serious money and analysing how it works out. These measures wouldn?t be necessary for flu-like droplets, but are being studied in order to better understand Covid transmission. The other reason why comparisons with flu are contentious is that although flu kills many people, Covid can be more deadly to those it affects and often involves ongoing side effects, even in younger, previously healthy patients. It?s too early to have a proper understanding of the long term implications for recovered Covid patients. He mentions many countries, but I don?t recall Germany being mentioned. The Covid mortality and infection rate in Germany is low compared to other European countries. It?s usually taken as confirmation that effective testing, tracing and prevention of community spread is a strategy which can work when done properly. People who are knowledgable in any sphere will have varying views. Within our television group, we might have heated discussions with people arguing diametrically opposite points of view. That?s normal and healthy. Throughout history, scientists have argued passionately about what they believe is right. Sometimes a minority viewpoint turned out to be correct. It?s also worth bearing in mind that when the government claims that it is following scientific advice, it will have been offered multiple, and often conflicting opinions. Every government chooses which aspects of science to embrace. There is not just one True Science, there is a wide spectrum of scientific opinions to choose from. Alan Taylor > On 23 Sep 2020, at 20:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Well, I'm just a retired BBC producer, and don't have BE(Chem), CEng MIEI or anything else after my name, but I've looked at several Google pages on Ivor Cummins and he doesn't appear to hang out with David Icke or that mad nurse woman. 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URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 06:29:34 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 12:29:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app Message-ID: According to BBC News: Apple and Google's automated contact-tracing technology will be used to tell people to self-isolate if their phone detects they were near someone later determined to have the virus. The app does a lot more too, and appears to be very useful. So while contact-tracing may seem like the headline feature, health chiefs say the primary goal is to change people's behaviour to make them less likely to catch or transmit the coronavirus. That may be the health chiefs' primary goal, but there's a problem: The app works only on relatively modern phones. My iPhone 6 is not recent enough, apparently. I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people to buy new phones. Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. For more details, see: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage > of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people > to buy new phones. > Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be > used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, > notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei > phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low > Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software > designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. For more > details, see: > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So while contact-tracing may seem like the headline feature, health chiefs say the primary goal is to change people's behaviour to make them less likely to catch or transmit the coronavirus. That may be the health chiefs' primary goal, but there's a problem: The app works only on relatively modern phones. My iPhone 6 is not recent enough, apparently. I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people to buy new phones. Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. 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My iPhone 6 is not recent enough, apparently. I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people to buy new phones. > Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. For more details, see: > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Thu Sep 24 07:17:26 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:17:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <404BA4FBBC1C44FAA83DED65742F29FB@Gigabyte> I?m not ?determined? to have the virus. I may be determined to go to the pub for a pint but that is a different thing! Mike From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:29 PM To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app According to BBC News: Apple and Google's automated contact-tracing technology will be used to tell people to self-isolate if their phone detects they were near someone later determined to have the virus. The app does a lot more too, and appears to be very useful. So while contact-tracing may seem like the headline feature, health chiefs say the primary goal is to change people's behaviour to make them less likely to catch or transmit the coronavirus. That may be the health chiefs' primary goal, but there's a problem: The app works only on relatively modern phones. My iPhone 6 is not recent enough, apparently. I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people to buy new phones. Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. For more details, see: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 KW -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 07:19:43 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:19:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just downloaded it and it appears to be working. OnePlus 7T B On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 12:30 Keith Wicks via Tech1, wrote: > According to BBC News: > Apple and Google's automated contact-tracing technology will be used to > tell people to self-isolate if their phone detects they were near someone > later determined to have the virus. > The app does a lot more too, and appears to be very useful. > So while contact-tracing may seem like the headline feature, health chiefs > say the primary goal is to change people's behaviour to make them less > likely to catch or transmit the coronavirus. > That may be the health chiefs' primary goal, but there's a problem: The > app works only on relatively modern phones. My iPhone 6 is not recent > enough, apparently. I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage > of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people > to buy new phones. > Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be > used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, > notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei > phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low > Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software > designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. For more > details, see: > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 07:38:50 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 13:38:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, The app works on my Huawei phone, but the only place I've been to didn't have their QR code! Best regards Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 12:30 Keith Wicks via Tech1, wrote: > According to BBC News: > Apple and Google's automated contact-tracing technology will be used to > tell people to self-isolate if their phone detects they were near someone > later determined to have the virus. > The app does a lot more too, and appears to be very useful. > So while contact-tracing may seem like the headline feature, health chiefs > say the primary goal is to change people's behaviour to make them less > likely to catch or transmit the coronavirus. > That may be the health chiefs' primary goal, but there's a problem: The > app works only on relatively modern phones. My iPhone 6 is not recent > enough, apparently. I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage > of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people > to buy new phones. > Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be > used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, > notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei > phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low > Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software > designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. For more > details, see: > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 24 08:19:50 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:19:50 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: <404BA4FBBC1C44FAA83DED65742F29FB@Gigabyte> References: <404BA4FBBC1C44FAA83DED65742F29FB@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <5f6c9cf8.1c69fb81.853f8.de7b@mx.google.com> You could be, Mike! There are two meanings to the verb: determine: 1. cause (something) to occur in a particular way or to have a particular nature. "it will be her mental attitude that determines her future" 2. ascertain or establish exactly by research or calculation. "the inquest is entrusted with the task of determining the cause of death" So whether people have the Virus is #2, whereas going to the pub is #1. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 24 September 2020 13:17 To: Keith Wicks; tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app I?m not ?determined? to have the virus. I may be determined to go to the pub for a pint but that is a different thing! ? Mike ? ? According to BBC News: Apple and Google's automated contact-tracing technology will be used to tell people to self-isolate if their phone detects they were near someone later determined to have the virus. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 24 08:24:29 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:24:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?ve got the app running on my fairly old iPhone SE. Janet has been trying to find out whether she should use the app because Covid patients always bring their phones with them into hospital and the app will flag up proximity even if the staff are fully protected while close by. So far she?s been getting some pretty random advice from people who clearly don?t understand the issues. The app is obviously aimed at social interactions or transport and seems pretty good. For anybody concerned about the privacy implications, the data is stored and encoded on your phone. Nobody else, not even Apple, Google or government departments can access that information. This was one of the stumbling blocks with the government?s first attempt at a Covid tracking app, it tracked everybody and stored the data on a central database. The APIs ( software modules which allow an app to function ) developed by Apple & Google run in the background while your phone is doing other things and are designed to be frugal with power consumption. Alan Taylor > On 24 Sep 2020, at 12:30, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > According to BBC News: > Apple and Google's automated contact-tracing technology will be used to tell people to self-isolate if their phone detects they were near someone later determined to have the virus. > The app does a lot more too, and appears to be very useful. > So while contact-tracing may seem like the headline feature, health chiefs say the primary goal is to change people's behaviour to make them less likely to catch or transmit the coronavirus. > That may be the health chiefs' primary goal, but there's a problem: The app works only on relatively modern phones. My iPhone 6 is not recent enough, apparently. I suspect that Apple and Google have taken advantage of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to encourage people to buy new phones. > Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be used with this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some Huawei phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs "Bluetooth Low Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that simpler software designed to work on older phones too would have been more useful. For more details, see: > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 > KW > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Sep 24 10:55:05 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:55:05 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: <000c01d6926a$ab750550$025f0ff0$@gmail.com> References: <000c01d6926a$ab750550$025f0ff0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. Chris Woolf On 24/09/2020 13:03, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > I?ve just installed the official NHS app on my iPhone 6s plus and it?s > currently scanning, so it seems it?s working OK on that. How effective > it will be, I?ve yet to find out, > > *Geoff Hawkes* > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Keith Wicks > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 24 September 2020 12:30 > *To:* tech1 > *Subject:* [Tech1] The COVID-19 app > > According to BBC News: > > Apple and Google's automated contact-tracing technology will be used > to tell people to self-isolate if their phone detects they were near > someone later determined to have the virus. > > The app does a lot more too, and appears to be very useful. > > So while contact-tracing may seem like the headline feature, health > chiefs say the primary goal is to change people's behaviour to make > them less likely to catch or transmit the coronavirus. > > That may be the health chiefs' primary goal, but there's a problem: > The app works only on relatively modern phones. My iPhone 6 is not > recent enough, apparently.?I suspect that Apple and Google have taken > advantage of the situation for marketing purposes, and are hoping to > encourage people to buy new phones. > > Out of interest, how many people in this group have phones that can be > used with?this app? Besides the phone having to be fairly recent, > notifications must be switched on (I find them a nuisance), some > Huawei phones cannot use the app, and apparently the app needs > "Bluetooth Low Energy" or equivalent to work properly. I think that > simpler software designed to work on older phones too would have been > more useful. For more details, see: > > https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-54250736 > > > KW > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It needs quite a lot of the more modern Bluetooth systems, and other core elements to be able to function with even the (low) level of reliability it currently has. Chris Woolf > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Thu Sep 24 11:09:03 2020 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:09:03 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d6926a$ab750550$025f0ff0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. Bill Jenkin On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: > The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. > > Chris Woolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonybmillier at hotmail.com Thu Sep 24 11:17:47 2020 From: anthonybmillier at hotmail.com (anthony millier) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:17:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d6926a$ab750550$025f0ff0$@gmail.com> , Message-ID: Hi guys, my Doro, recommended for seniors, loaded on second attempt and is now scanning. Tony Millier. Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Tech1 on behalf of Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:09:03 PM To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. Bill Jenkin On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, > wrote: The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. Chris Woolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 24 11:37:51 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:37:51 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <722B0227-97B1-4E5A-BEAE-9BF97726B109@me.com> We found the answer to what my wife is supposed to do when she takes her phone into hospital while working there with patients who are likely to be flagged as positive. You are supposed to toggle off the Contact tracing feature. The app offers various time intervals before it reminds you to toggle it back on. Unfortunately the longest interval offered is 12 hours, while her NHS shifts working in wards are scheduled for 12.5 hour days, staff often arrive early and stay a little longer anyway. She has suggested that they include a geofence feature where you specify a place such as a hospital where contact tracing is automatically suspended while you are near there, without any requirement to manually turn it off and on. If you want to check the Covid status somewhere other than where you live, you can change the postcode in About this app > Manage my data. Just remember to change it back afterwards. Logging in to the pub is very easy using the QR code. Much simpler than writing your contact details down and of course it?s contact free. Alan Taylor > On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:10, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). > > Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. > > Bill Jenkin > > >> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: >> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >> >> Chris Woolf >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 24 12:36:49 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:36:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d6926a$ab750550$025f0ff0$@gmail.com> , Message-ID: <5f6cd933.1c69fb81.6a538.0476@mx.google.com> How about if the whizz kids devoted their efforts to an add-on gadget and app, like a breathalyser, or a socket that analyses your saliva swab, that would enable your smartphone to tell you if you had the lurgy! i.e. miniaturisation of the test machinery! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: anthony millier via Tech1 Sent: 24 September 2020 17:18 To: Bill Jenkin; Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app Hi guys, my Doro, recommended for seniors, loaded on second attempt and is now scanning. Tony Millier. Get Outlook for iOS From: Tech1 on behalf of Bill Jenkin via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:09:03 PM To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app ? Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. Bill Jenkin -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: A84DDD86E2904C03A1E4DD10C16F92D5.png Type: image/png Size: 159 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 24 13:37:18 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 19:37:18 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: <5f6cd933.1c69fb81.6a538.0476@mx.google.com> References: <5f6cd933.1c69fb81.6a538.0476@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <14E2E4B1-E0B9-4C8A-9147-0C649524A5A2@me.com> Finland have trained sniffer dogs to detect people with Covid and are claiming near 100% success rates in testing. They are currently being deployed at a Helsinki airport to screen passengers before boarding. It will be interesting to see how this scheme works out. There have been other medical sniffer dogs for various conditions. For those who like a whacky story, I once read about a competition during WW1 for inventors to propose ways to detect German U boats operating close to British harbours. The suggestion which most appealed to me was rejected by the Admiralty. The proposal was that a replica German periscope should be fitted to a towed very small submarine which will automatically remain just half a metre or so below the surface. The propellor rotates as the device is towed through the water on a long wire behind a patrol boat and operates a meat mincing mechanism which pushes minced meat up the periscope and distributes it on the surface of the sea. The idea was that seagulls would swoop down to eat the scraps, just as they do with trawlers and would learn to associate a periscope with a free meal. Observers on the headland would then keep watch for seagulls congregating for no obvious reason and fire artillery at the suspected U boat. It?s certainly an original and imaginative concept, but I reckon that it could have worked. Alan Taylor > On 24 Sep 2020, at 18:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > How about if the whizz kids devoted their efforts to an add-on gadget and app, like a breathalyser, or a socket that analyses your saliva swab, that would enable your smartphone to tell you if you had the lurgy! > i.e. miniaturisation of the test machinery! > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: anthony millier via Tech1 > Sent: 24 September 2020 17:18 > To: Bill Jenkin; Tech-Ops. co. uk email group > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app > > Hi guys, my Doro, recommended for seniors, loaded on second attempt and is now scanning. Tony Millier. > > Get Outlook for iOS > > From: Tech1 on behalf of Bill Jenkin via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:09:03 PM > To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app > > Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). > > Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. > > Bill Jenkin > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 24 13:53:25 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 19:53:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Camermen at War In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f6ceb27.1c69fb81.aa592.036c@mx.google.com> Very, very interesting. I was taken by the clip of General Alexander. My father was in the North African theatre, under Alex, and reckoned he was a better General than Monty. But Monty had the ear of the Americans and said: ? I want? and got. Ironic that Monty became the Chairman of the Governors of the school I went to! My favourite story of the very few that Dad told me ? he didn?t talk much of the war, concerned the news that he now had a son ? his Sergeant Major coaxed him out of his tent, and said that they had better wet the baby?s head - Sir. I had the vision of it being a bit like the bar scene in ?Ice Cold in Alex?. Apparently a few beers were consumed in a town that was currently in British hands and on arriving back to camp, Dad invited his Sergeant into his tent for a nightcap. ?Best not, Sir, I?d better get the jeep back to the Americans from where I nicked it!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: 24 September 2020 10:01 To: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] Camermen at War I was working on Apollo 11 and met a rather grumpy Ronnie Noble. Little did I know that he was a war cameraman. I also now wished I had given him more respect. Like Dixon (Jack Warner) who was the oldest sergeant in the Met we had little knowledge of what these men lived through. I showed my parents around TVC and couldn?t understand fully my fathers fascination at watching Jack Warner rehearsing. This film may be of interest to many of us. Little did we know. Albert https://film.iwmcollections.org.uk/record/2052 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Sep 24 14:29:33 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 20:29:33 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: <14E2E4B1-E0B9-4C8A-9147-0C649524A5A2@me.com> References: <5f6cd933.1c69fb81.6a538.0476@mx.google.com> <14E2E4B1-E0B9-4C8A-9147-0C649524A5A2@me.com> Message-ID: <5f6cf39f.1c69fb81.9b2a3.1c29@mx.google.com> A brilliant idea, and one which coupled with others probably won the war. I would not have liked to have been one of the war cameramen who were first on the scene of the concentration camps. Cannot believe the inhumanity of the German Nazi?s. A job I was working on, took me to Czechoslovakia. On the way back from our location, the local manager took us to Buchenwald. What really affected me, there, was that there was no birdsong. They know! Some of the original electrified fence was still in place, but the huts were remembered with a grave in the shape of the buildings. What was spooky, was the railway line which just led up to and ended in a direct line, at the main gates. Another slightly shaky moment was at Berchesgarten. In a souvenir shop at the base of the Eagle?s Nest hideaway, buying postcards, the staff heard us speaking English and we got some really vicious looks. (BERNIE ? POLITICAL WARNING!) How would it have been, bearing in mind that wars are fought to claim power and/or land, if Germany had been divided between the UK and the US as a satellite state, after WW2? Probably another version of the EU! OK, that is what resulted with Berlin, after the ?Cold War?. What a mess that was. I had the experience of going through Check-Point Charlie, twice, when the Wall was in place, and also when we could fly direct into Leipzig. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 24 September 2020 19:37 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app Finland have trained sniffer dogs to detect people with Covid and are claiming near 100% success rates in testing. ?They are currently being deployed at a Helsinki airport to screen passengers before boarding. It will be interesting to see how this scheme works out. There have been other medical sniffer dogs for various conditions. For those who like a whacky story, I once read about a competition during WW1 for inventors to propose ways to detect German U boats operating close to British harbours. ?The suggestion which most appealed to me was rejected by the Admiralty. ? The proposal was that a replica German periscope should be fitted to a towed very small submarine which will automatically remain just half a metre or so below the surface. ?The propellor rotates as the device is towed through the water on a long wire behind a patrol boat and operates a meat mincing mechanism which pushes minced meat up the periscope and distributes it on the surface of the sea. ? The idea was that seagulls would swoop down to eat the scraps, ?just as they do with trawlers and would learn to associate a periscope with a free meal. Observers on the headland would then keep watch for seagulls congregating for no obvious reason and fire artillery at the suspected U boat. It?s certainly an original and imaginative concept, but I reckon that it could have worked. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Sep 24 15:53:35 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:53:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d6926a$ab750550$025f0ff0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. Mike G > On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > > Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). > > Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. > > Bill Jenkin > > > On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, > wrote: > The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. > > Chris Woolf > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 24 16:01:38 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 22:01:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. Alan Taylor > On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. > > Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. > > Mike G > > >> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). >> >> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. >> >> Bill Jenkin >> >> >>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: >>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 24 16:29:50 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:29:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FWIW, we both have iPhone SE?s which are effectively a compact version of iPhone 6, and which we don?t plan to upgrade any time soon, so the app is no good to us. Our local village market was unusually busy today, and I would estimate that about 40 to 50% of people were wearing masks. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. Alan Taylor On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. Mike G On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 > wrote: Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. Bill Jenkin On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, > wrote: The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. Chris Woolf -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Thu Sep 24 16:35:15 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 22:35:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2118D311-A9F0-4674-818E-E6950D648E75@mac.com> Thanks Alan, Obvious really, except that the guide only refers to ?pausing the app?, as opposed to deselecting the Contact Tracing function, so I was feverishly seeking a pause button! Mike G > On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. > > To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. >> >> Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. >> >> Mike G >> >> >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). >>> >>> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. >>> >>> Bill Jenkin >>> >>> >>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, > wrote: >>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Sep 24 16:43:39 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 21:43:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Eagle Radio Message-ID: Eagle Radio has apparently been replaced by Greatest tits Radio! Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From alanaudio at me.com Thu Sep 24 16:49:57 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 22:49:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?ve got the app running on my iPhone SE. My understanding is that the Apple App Store does not allow apps to be downloaded onto devices which are unable to run that app. I note that the BBC web site states that the SE was previously rated to run the app, but is no longer supported, but it seems to be running on mine. I assume that it?s working properly, but it?s hard to properly check. It would be nice if there was a simple way to put two phones running the app in close proximity and have some sort of indication that they are aware of each other ( maybe there is such I feature, it seems an obvious thing to do, but I haven?t heard of it ). Alan Taylor > On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? FWIW, we both have iPhone SE?s which are effectively a compact version of iPhone 6, and which we don?t plan to upgrade any time soon, so the app is no good to us. > Our local village market was unusually busy today, and I would estimate that about 40 to 50% of people were wearing masks. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. >> >> To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. >>> >>> Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). >>>> >>>> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. >>>> >>>> Bill Jenkin >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: >>>>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My understanding is that the Apple App Store does not allow apps to be downloaded onto devices which are unable to run that app. > > I note that the BBC web site states that the SE was previously rated to run the app, but is no longer supported, but it seems to be running on mine. I assume that it?s working properly, but it?s hard to properly check. It would be nice if there was a simple way to put two phones running the app in close proximity and have some sort of indication that they are aware of each other ( maybe there is such I feature, it seems an obvious thing to do, but I haven?t heard of it ). > > > > > Alan Taylor > >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? FWIW, we both have iPhone SE?s which are effectively a compact version of iPhone 6, and which we don?t plan to upgrade any time soon, so the app is no good to us. >> Our local village market was unusually busy today, and I would estimate that about 40 to 50% of people were wearing masks. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. >>> >>> To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. >>>> >>>> Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). >>>>> >>>>> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. >>>>> >>>>> Bill Jenkin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: >>>>>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Sep 25 02:19:15 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 08:19:15 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: <2650FE6F-EC0A-487E-9CB6-3988B109A460@me.com> References: <2650FE6F-EC0A-487E-9CB6-3988B109A460@me.com> Message-ID: <4F2762CB-18B3-45F3-9DDD-2F63AEDF4E9B@mac.com> Remind us Alan, please, do you have first or second generation SEs? I had an online chat with an Apple rep yesterday who confirmed that the second generation SE can accept current updates and should do for three or four years at least, but I didn?t ask him about first generation as I was thinking about buying new rather than second hand. Mike G > On 25 Sep 2020, at 06:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I should have added that my iPhone SE is running IOS 13.7 Version 14 has recently been released and I?ll install that in a week or so once the dust has settled. > > You need to be running a very recent version of IOS because older versions do not have the Covid tracking APIs, which allow the app to work. > > Operating system updates can be set to happen automatically, or triggered manually and seem to work reliably. > > Alan Taylor > > > >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:49, Alan Taylor wrote: >>> >> ? >> I?ve got the app running on my iPhone SE. My understanding is that the Apple App Store does not allow apps to be downloaded onto devices which are unable to run that app. >> >> I note that the BBC web site states that the SE was previously rated to run the app, but is no longer supported, but it seems to be running on mine. I assume that it?s working properly, but it?s hard to properly check. It would be nice if there was a simple way to put two phones running the app in close proximity and have some sort of indication that they are aware of each other ( maybe there is such I feature, it seems an obvious thing to do, but I haven?t heard of it ). >> >> >> >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? FWIW, we both have iPhone SE?s which are effectively a compact version of iPhone 6, and which we don?t plan to upgrade any time soon, so the app is no good to us. >>> Our local village market was unusually busy today, and I would estimate that about 40 to 50% of people were wearing masks. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. >>>> >>>> To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> Mike G >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). >>>>>> >>>>>> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Jenkin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: >>>>>>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My main objection to the Covid-19 software is that it is said to be liable to give false positive results, which means I could be confined to my home just because of a computer error ? if I ever picked up their call. KW > > >.... I think that simpler software designed to work on older phones too > would have been more useful. > > But I don't think the app could be made to work with the more primitive > phones. 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My understanding is that the Apple App Store does not allow apps to be downloaded onto devices which are unable to run that app. >> >> I note that the BBC web site states that the SE was previously rated to run the app, but is no longer supported, but it seems to be running on mine. I assume that it?s working properly, but it?s hard to properly check. It would be nice if there was a simple way to put two phones running the app in close proximity and have some sort of indication that they are aware of each other ( maybe there is such I feature, it seems an obvious thing to do, but I haven?t heard of it ). >> >> >> >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? FWIW, we both have iPhone SE?s which are effectively a compact version of iPhone 6, and which we don?t plan to upgrade any time soon, so the app is no good to us. >>> Our local village market was unusually busy today, and I would estimate that about 40 to 50% of people were wearing masks. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. >>>> >>>> To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> Mike G >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). >>>>>> >>>>>> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Jenkin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: >>>>>>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Sep 25 03:08:09 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 09:08:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9322669E-E465-4173-9EC7-22BDF25B2324@icloud.com> I have an SE and I?ve got it installed and running. ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:29, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > FWIW, we both have iPhone SE?s which are effectively a compact version of iPhone 6, and which we don?t plan to upgrade any time soon, so the app is no good to us. > Our local village market was unusually busy today, and I would estimate that about 40 to 50% of people were wearing masks. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 24 Sep 2020, at 22:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> For the app to work, the phone needs BLE4 hardware installed ( BlueTooth Low Energy ). That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones without knackering the battery. >> >> To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after all is said and done, fairly long service life. >>> >>> Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>> >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android obviously). >>>> >>>> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I go out. >>>> >>>> Bill Jenkin >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, wrote: >>>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Sep 25 03:26:38 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 09:26:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app In-Reply-To: References: <8878f826-81ae-9df5-0525-7a46798ad0c4@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5f6da9bf.1c69fb81.fcf79.8d85@mx.google.com> I am not into Smartphones, so I?ll just retreat into my cave, light a fire at the entrance and sharpen my spear to ward off marauding dinosaurs! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 25 September 2020 08:51 To: Chris Woolf Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] The COVID-19 app On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 at 17:05, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: I have a phone that ~could~ do it but I don't think I can be bothered to try it - I don't mingle enough to warrant its dubious advantages. I have an iPhone 6 that does not do it, and I don't intend to get a new iPhone just for this. Like Chris, I don't mingle much at the moment and, when I do go out, I rarely have the phone with me. If I do have it with me, it is usually switched off as I use it almost exclusively for outgoing calls. At home, I have a landline with an answering machine attached, and ignore callers I do not know. As a result, I never have to speak to scammers. 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That?s what allows it to check for nearby phones > without knackering the battery. > >> > >> To pause the app, on the home screen, scroll down to the bottom and > just below Enter Test Result is a toggle to disable Contact tracing. > >> > >> Alan Taylor > >> > >> > >>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 21:54, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >>> > >>> ?OK on my iPhone 8 but not on my wife?s iPhone 6, as predicted. I fear > that that may be the app?s downfall as I?m sure a lot of older iPhones are > likely to be still in use ~ one of the reasons for using Apple kit, after > all is said and done, fairly long service life. > >>> > >>> Has anyone discovered how to pause the app? The guide recommends > pausing in various situations, but I can?t see a pause function anywhere. > >>> > >>> Mike G > >>> > >>> > >>>> On 24 Sep 2020, at 17:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Installed the app and running on a Samsung Galaxy S8 (Android > obviously). > >>>> > >>>> Now all I have to do is to remember to take the 'phone with me when I > go out. > >>>> > >>>> Bill Jenkin > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, 24 Sep 2020, 16:55 Chris Woolf via Tech1, < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >>>> The iPhone 6s yes, the iPhone 6 (and earlier) no. > >>>> > >>>> Chris Woolf > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Tech1 mailing list > >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Have a lovely time >> Xxx Albert xxx >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On 25 Sep 2020, at 08:12, Sue Malden wrote: >> >> ? >> Hi Albert and Bernie >> We have an interview with Ronnie Noble in the British Entertainment History project collection https://historyproject.org.uk/interview/ronnie-noble >> >> Cheers Sue >> >> From: Albert Barber >> Sent: 24 September 2020 10:01 >> To: Bernard Newnham >> Cc: A Barber >> Subject: Camermen at War >> >> I was working on Apollo 11 and met a rather grumpy Ronnie Noble. Little did I know that he was a war cameraman. I also now wished I had given him more respect. Like Dixon (Jack Warner) who was the oldest sergeant in the Met we had little knowledge of what these men lived through. I showed my parents around TVC and couldn?t understand fully my fathers fascination at watching Jack Warner rehearsing. >> >> This film may be of interest to many of us. 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Sep 25 16:57:06 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 22:57:06 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] More Covid statistics Message-ID: <97c36cd5-e325-5878-cf68-0967e203dab0@gmail.com> Our World in Data - fiddle with the graphs https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Sep 26 02:19:20 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:19:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Old tube train OB in Acton In-Reply-To: <694fc968-501c-7052-a1b3-d0ac4362ae27@gmail.com> References: <694fc968-501c-7052-a1b3-d0ac4362ae27@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ahah!? But too easy perhaps, as that compares a price with the value. Hugh On 25-Sep-20 8:30 PM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > A friend of mine was one of a group of four at London Transport given > the job of making financial cuts.? He got the Chiswick training school > amongst other stuff.? He went to an independent bus training place in > Wood Lane and asked how much to learn. > > "A PSV licence costs around ?300". > > "But Chiswick costs ?3000". > > It closed. > > B > > > > On 25/09/2020 18:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> Not necessarily about TfL buses and trains but the first bit on the >> skid pan in Acton contains several shots of OB radio links hoist, >> cameras and a Raymond Baxter interview! >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkgrSu7V6dI >> Mike >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sat Sep 26 02:34:21 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:34:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Old tube train OB in Acton In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79D84480-29C4-462C-AAF9-FB949CF4A5D6@me.com> Same old story, knowing the price of everything, and the value of nothing. If you think education is expensive, have you costed the alternative? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 26 Sep 2020, at 08:19, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Ahah! But too easy perhaps, as that compares a price with the value. > > Hugh > > On 25-Sep-20 8:30 PM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> A friend of mine was one of a group of four at London Transport given the job of making financial cuts. He got the Chiswick training school amongst other stuff. He went to an independent bus training place in Wood Lane and asked how much to learn. >> >> "A PSV licence costs around ?300". >> >> "But Chiswick costs ?3000". >> >> It closed. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 25/09/2020 18:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >>> Not necessarily about TfL buses and trains but the first bit on the skid pan in Acton contains several shots of OB radio links hoist, cameras and a Raymond Baxter interview! >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkgrSu7V6dI >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 02:39:36 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 08:39:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Old tube train OB in Acton In-Reply-To: <79D84480-29C4-462C-AAF9-FB949CF4A5D6@me.com> References: <79D84480-29C4-462C-AAF9-FB949CF4A5D6@me.com> Message-ID: We'll, there aren't many London bus crashes B On Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 08:34 Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1, < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Same old story, knowing the price of everything, and the value of nothing. > > If you think education is expensive, have you costed the alternative? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > On 26 Sep 2020, at 08:19, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? Ahah! But too easy perhaps, as that compares a price with the value. > > Hugh > > On 25-Sep-20 8:30 PM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > A friend of mine was one of a group of four at London Transport given the > job of making financial cuts. He got the Chiswick training school amongst > other stuff. He went to an independent bus training place in Wood Lane and > asked how much to learn. > > "A PSV licence costs around ?300". > > "But Chiswick costs ?3000". > > It closed. > > B > > > > On 25/09/2020 18:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Not necessarily about TfL buses and trains but the first bit on the skid > pan in Acton contains several shots of OB radio links hoist, cameras and a > Raymond Baxter interview! > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkgrSu7V6dI > > Mike > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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"We only keep this stuff for LT, everyone else moved on years ago" No one at LT had bothered to check B On Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 08:39 Bernard Newnham, wrote: > We'll, there aren't many London bus crashes > > B > > On Sat, 26 Sep 2020, 08:34 Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1, < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> Same old story, knowing the price of everything, and the value of nothing. >> >> If you think education is expensive, have you costed the alternative? >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> On 26 Sep 2020, at 08:19, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? Ahah! But too easy perhaps, as that compares a price with the value. >> >> Hugh >> >> On 25-Sep-20 8:30 PM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> A friend of mine was one of a group of four at London Transport given the >> job of making financial cuts. He got the Chiswick training school amongst >> other stuff. He went to an independent bus training place in Wood Lane and >> asked how much to learn. >> >> "A PSV licence costs around ?300". >> >> "But Chiswick costs ?3000". >> >> It closed. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 25/09/2020 18:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Not necessarily about TfL buses and trains but the first bit on the skid >> pan in Acton contains several shots of OB radio links hoist, cameras and a >> Raymond Baxter interview! >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkgrSu7V6dI >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sat Sep 26 06:24:25 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:24:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Old tube train OB in Acton In-Reply-To: <79D84480-29C4-462C-AAF9-FB949CF4A5D6@me.com> References: <79D84480-29C4-462C-AAF9-FB949CF4A5D6@me.com> Message-ID: <22D84402-B787-4C30-B8F6-A108545A97E0@zero51.force9.co.uk> Might explain some of the double decker bus misadventures that I have seen or heard of from time to time? Peter Fox On 26 Sep 2020, at 08:35, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ?Same old story, knowing the price of everything, and the value of nothing. If you think education is expensive, have you costed the alternative? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 26 Sep 2020, at 08:19, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Ahah! But too easy perhaps, as that compares a price with the value. > > Hugh > > On 25-Sep-20 8:30 PM, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> A friend of mine was one of a group of four at London Transport given the job of making financial cuts. He got the Chiswick training school amongst other stuff. He went to an independent bus training place in Wood Lane and asked how much to learn. >> >> "A PSV licence costs around ?300". >> >> "But Chiswick costs ?3000". >> >> It closed. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 25/09/2020 18:40, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >>> Not necessarily about TfL buses and trains but the first bit on the skid pan in Acton contains several shots of OB radio links hoist, cameras and a Raymond Baxter interview! >>> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkgrSu7V6dI >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Sep 26 06:40:20 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 12:40:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station Message-ID: <5A921F1FB58F4AC2813C4FCD1A342FA5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> This year?s pilgrimage to Cornwall afforded the chance to see Goonhilly Downs for the first time in some while. We stopped and admired the structure of the original Satellite Dish No 1 ?Arthur? and felt it amazing this was now 58 years old. A reminder of just how much engineering brilliance existed in what was then still Post Office Telephones. Weighing in at 1100+ tons (tonnes? ? not sure which) and about 85 ft. diameter it was built to last so mercifully, when BT decided it was surplus to requirements, it was rescued with the rest of the satellite arrays and reborn as Goonhilly Earth Station on a 999 year lease from BT. There is no longer a visitor centre (which at one time pulled 80,000 visitors per year) but good views are obtainable from outside the perimeter fence. The front view needs morning light, the rear view evening light but as we were based only a short distance away at Porthallow I was able to do both. With recent recollections on the forum of the early days of international satellite hook ups I thought it might be nice to remember we once did things rather well! Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Satellite Dish No 1 'Arthur' front.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3562898 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Satellite Dish No 1 'Arthur' rear.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2843988 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Sep 26 15:05:39 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 21:05:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station In-Reply-To: <002401d693fc$de3bc8f0$9ab35ad0$@btinternet.com> References: <5A921F1FB58F4AC2813C4FCD1A342FA5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <002401d693fc$de3bc8f0$9ab35ad0$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <25288527A7164442BF1B4FEA2F91BC65@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Thanks all for your comments. As to current status I can only pass on what bit I have picked up from Google sleuthing. Because it was Grade II listed back in 2003 it was spared the BT demolition plans when they no longer needed the site and has subsequently been restored by Goonhilly Earth Station to enjoy a second life in Radio Astronomy rather than Sat Comms. I gather in order to effect the motor replacement, heavy lifting gear was brought from the shipyards at Falmouth. I read that the dish is now part of the e-Merlin Network where it works in conjunction with other dishes internationally to improve signal detection without the need for bigger dishes. It?s fun to airily pass on tech stuff that sails straight over my head! The irony of the name is that the Goonhilly dish named Merlin is no more and has nothing to do with the e-Merlin Network. For something far more erudite try here https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/analysis/goonhilly-star-gazing/ Best to all, Dave Newbitt. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Great pictures Dave. I can just imagine someone asking if it could pick up Sky! Cheers, Dave ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Splendid, Dave, A British friend emigrated to Canada, flying 747?s for Air Canada, and I stayed with him just North of Toronto. He had a tracking receiver dish on his land, and I found it fascinating. One could watch a film on the Eastern sat, then two hours later, pick it up mid-west, and 2 hrs after that, off the western one. The main TV operators used to bounce raw footage across the country and one could tune in and intercept ? it wasn?t encrypted! Best wishes Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 1:02 PM To: 'David Newbitt' Subject: RE: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station The dish looks amazing and as you say it was built to last. Is it still in use or just a museum piece now? Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 26 September 2020 12:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station This year?s pilgrimage to Cornwall afforded the chance to see Goonhilly Downs for the first time in some while. We stopped and admired the structure of the original Satellite Dish No 1 ?Arthur? and felt it amazing this was now 58 years old. A reminder of just how much engineering brilliance existed in what was then still Post Office Telephones. Weighing in at 1100+ tons (tonnes? ? not sure which) and about 85 ft. diameter it was built to last so mercifully, when BT decided it was surplus to requirements, it was rescued with the rest of the satellite arrays and reborn as Goonhilly Earth Station on a 999 year lease from BT. There is no longer a visitor centre (which at one time pulled 80,000 visitors per year) but good views are obtainable from outside the perimeter fence. The front view needs morning light, the rear view evening light but as we were based only a short distance away at Porthallow I was able to do both. With recent recollections on the forum of the early days of international satellite hook ups I thought it might be nice to remember we once did things rather well! Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Sun Sep 27 12:32:29 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:32:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station In-Reply-To: <5A921F1FB58F4AC2813C4FCD1A342FA5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <5A921F1FB58F4AC2813C4FCD1A342FA5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <2D9933C8-DD41-49AC-BADD-1E20B01E657A@btinternet.com> When in Cornwall its well worth looking up Porthcurno and the Cable and Wireless underground museum. Fascinating insights into global undersea telecoms and its history. They thought the Germans would attack so it went underground for WWII , they never did, but we cut their cable from Hamburg to New York immediately in 1914. Porthcurno beach is a beauty, its under the Minnack open theatre, it shelves steeply and the water colours are green and contrast with Logans Rock outcrop, we last visited in a great storm and many cables were visible ancient and modern. We filmed a Science fiction play under the Radio telescope at Jodrell Bank, its the Lovell Telescope. Sir Bernard pioneered Radio astronomy, he was lucky to survive WWII,he narrowly missed the Halifax flight from Malvern testing H2S air to ground radar that killed Alan Dower Blumlien and 11 other top Radar scientists. He arrived on his bike a little late. Malvern did a lot of early research that pointed the way to the stars, they were investigating radar noise, it turned out to be meteors. > On 26 Sep 2020, at 12:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > This year?s pilgrimage to Cornwall afforded the chance to see Goonhilly Downs for the first time in some while. We stopped and admired the structure of the original Satellite Dish No 1 ?Arthur? and felt it amazing this was now 58 years old. A reminder of just how much engineering brilliance existed in what was then still Post Office Telephones. > > Weighing in at 1100+ tons (tonnes? ? not sure which) and about 85 ft. diameter it was built to last so mercifully, when BT decided it was surplus to requirements, it was rescued with the rest of the satellite arrays and reborn as Goonhilly Earth Station on a 999 year lease from BT. There is no longer a visitor centre (which at one time pulled 80,000 visitors per year) but good views are obtainable from outside the perimeter fence. The front view needs morning light, the rear view evening light but as we were based only a short distance away at Porthallow I was able to do both. > > With recent recollections on the forum of the early days of international satellite hook ups I thought it might be nice to remember we once did things rather well! > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Sep 27 14:12:48 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:12:48 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station In-Reply-To: <2D9933C8-DD41-49AC-BADD-1E20B01E657A@btinternet.com> References: <5A921F1FB58F4AC2813C4FCD1A342FA5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2D9933C8-DD41-49AC-BADD-1E20B01E657A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the tip Roger. As it happens, the Minnack was on our list this year but we started the day in Penzance to see the exhibition of works by the Newlyn School of artists ( pre-booked with an allocated time slot), continued then to Lamorna Cove where a number of the artists had lived, and should thereafter have headed for the Minnack. Sadly we had booked an early slot for our evening meal at Manaccan near the Helford estuary and we could see there wasn?t going to be time to fit it all in. I didn?t know about the Museum but we shall be in Cornwall again next year and organise our time better. Re the Lovell telescope. My son and family live in Cheshire on the Delamere Forest so we have seen Jodrell Bank on a couple of occasions when visiting them. I took the attached shot of the telescope from the roadside in April 2008. Dave Newbitt. From: Roger E Long Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:32 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station When in Cornwall its well worth looking up Porthcurno and the Cable and Wireless underground museum. Fascinating insights into global undersea telecoms and its history. They thought the Germans would attack so it went underground for WWII , they never did, but we cut their cable from Hamburg to New York immediately in 1914. Porthcurno beach is a beauty, its under the Minnack open theatre, it shelves steeply and the water colours are green and contrast with Logans Rock outcrop, we last visited in a great storm and many cables were visible ancient and modern. We filmed a Science fiction play under the Radio telescope at Jodrell Bank, its the Lovell Telescope. Sir Bernard pioneered Radio astronomy, he was lucky to survive WWII,he narrowly missed the Halifax flight from Malvern testing H2S air to ground radar that killed Alan Dower Blumlien and 11 other top Radar scientists. He arrived on his bike a little late. Malvern did a lot of early research that pointed the way to the stars, they were investigating radar noise, it turned out to be meteors. On 26 Sep 2020, at 12:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: This year?s pilgrimage to Cornwall afforded the chance to see Goonhilly Downs for the first time in some while. We stopped and admired the structure of the original Satellite Dish No 1 ?Arthur? and felt it amazing this was now 58 years old. A reminder of just how much engineering brilliance existed in what was then still Post Office Telephones. Weighing in at 1100+ tons (tonnes? ? not sure which) and about 85 ft. diameter it was built to last so mercifully, when BT decided it was surplus to requirements, it was rescued with the rest of the satellite arrays and reborn as Goonhilly Earth Station on a 999 year lease from BT. There is no longer a visitor centre (which at one time pulled 80,000 visitors per year) but good views are obtainable from outside the perimeter fence. The front view needs morning light, the rear view evening light but as we were based only a short distance away at Porthallow I was able to do both. With recent recollections on the forum of the early days of international satellite hook ups I thought it might be nice to remember we once did things rather well! Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > > Found this the other day AB > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Sep 27 16:17:32 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 22:17:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7B7F04135B574EA5ADF4BAE05B220D8D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Reminds me of the Meccano computer. https://www.i-programmer.info/history/people/369-hartree-.html Nice thread Albert! Dave Newbitt. From: Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 9:59 PM To: Bernard Newnham Subject: [Tech1] Meccano Found this the other day AB -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Meccano Magazine December 1932.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 944492 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Sep 27 17:37:32 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 23:37:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'Rule of 6' Message-ID: <9cee4464-a5a7-7324-157a-238c5ddf7a89@btinternet.com> My new 'Bame' neighbours, 2 adults one child, had two extra cars on their drive today. During the height of the first 'lock-down' they had a five family BBQ and all went indoors when it rained, my wife has begged me not to ring the police to report them. What say you? Cheers, Dave. PS. I haven't spoken to them since they moved in! From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 28 01:49:19 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:49:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. Alan Taylor > On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Found this the other day AB >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Sep 28 03:40:22 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 09:40:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> > On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. > > The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> Found this the other day AB >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nigel Kneale gave his 1950's sci-fi hero Quatermass the christian name 'Bernard', after Bernard Lovell, upon whom he was loosely based. luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "David Newbitt via Tech1" To: "Roger E Long" Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 27 Sep, 20 At 20:12 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station Thanks for the tip Roger. As it happens, the Minnack was on our list this year but we started the day in Penzance to see the exhibition of works by the Newlyn School of artists ( pre-booked with an allocated time slot), continued then to Lamorna Cove where a number of the artists had lived, and should thereafter have headed for the Minnack. Sadly we had booked an early slot for our evening meal at Manaccan near the Helford estuary and we could see there wasn?t going to be time to fit it all in. I didn?t know about the Museum but we shall be in Cornwall again next year and organise our time better. Re the Lovell telescope. My son and family live in Cheshire on the Delamere Forest so we have seen Jodrell Bank on a couple of occasions when visiting them. I took the attached shot of the telescope from the roadside in April 2008. Dave Newbitt. From: Roger E Long Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:32 PM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station When in Cornwall its well worth looking up Porthcurno and the Cable and Wireless underground museum. Fascinating insights into global undersea telecoms and its history. They thought the Germans would attack so it went underground for WWII , they never did, but we cut their cable from Hamburg to New York immediately in 1914. Porthcurno beach is a beauty, its under the Minnack open theatre, it shelves steeply and the water colours are green and contrast with Logans Rock outcrop, we last visited in a great storm and many cables were visible ancient and modern. We filmed a Science fiction play under the Radio telescope at Jodrell Bank, its the Lovell Telescope. Sir Bernard pioneered Radio astronomy, he was lucky to survive WWII,he narrowly missed the Halifax flight from Malvern testing H2S air to ground radar that killed Alan Dower Blumlien and 11 other top Radar scientists. He arrived on his bike a little late. Malvern did a lot of early research that pointed the way to the stars, they were investigating radar noise, it turned out to be meteors. On 26 Sep 2020, at 12:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: This year?s pilgrimage to Cornwall afforded the chance to see Goonhilly Downs for the first time in some while. We stopped and admired the structure of the original Satellite Dish No 1 ?Arthur? and felt it amazing this was now 58 years old. A reminder of just how much engineering brilliance existed in what was then still Post Office Telephones. Weighing in at 1100+ tons (tonnes? ? not sure which) and about 85 ft. diameter it was built to last so mercifully, when BT decided it was surplus to requirements, it was rescued with the rest of the satellite arrays and reborn as Goonhilly Earth Station on a 999 year lease from BT. There is no longer a visitor centre (which at one time pulled 80,000 visitors per year) but good views are obtainable from outside the perimeter fence. The front view needs morning light, the rear view evening light but as we were based only a short distance away at Porthallow I was able to do both. With recent recollections on the forum of the early days of international satellite hook ups I thought it might be nice to remember we once did things rather well! Dave Newbitt. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 28 05:15:29 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:15:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> References: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals. Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me. It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build. My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects. Alan Taylor > On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: > > ? > > > >> On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. >> >> The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Found this the other day AB >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Sep 28 06:22:57 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:22:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> References: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> Message-ID: Throughout my boyhood Meccano was my favourite pastime by a mile. I started with a No.5 set, my main Christmas present when I was five. I remember effort number one was a flange plate, two spindles/axles and 4 rubber tyred wheels. I proudly trudged up the road to my pal?s house clutching this masterpiece to find that he too had been given Meccano but a much larger set which his father had already converted into a huge gantry crane which articulated, jibbed, raised and lowered its block and tackle etc. etc. One of my earliest recollections of feeling utterly crushed! The following year saw my version upgraded to a No 6 set, but thereafter I concentrated more on acquiring things like motors and gears. The gears fascinated me with straight cut, bevel, helical, worm, contrate etc. and I used to construct things like differentials so that I understood from quite a young age how such things worked. Gear reduction trains to achieve increasing torque were another obsession as I attempted to get a simple wheeled platform up ever steepening gradients, learning along the way that frictional losses meant there was a limit to how far you could push the idea. In my early teens we lived a few doors from a terminally ill lad and my mother persuaded me that it would be a wonderful gesture to give him my Meccano. Like some other expansive gestures I look back on, I wonder if I got it right! Would have envied your No 9 set Alan, a proud possession indeed. There is currently an unused No 10 set on ebay at ?8,699. How?s the bank balance looking! Dave Newbitt From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals. Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me. It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build. My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects. Alan Taylor On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: ? On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. Alan Taylor On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? ? 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URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 06:40:12 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:40:12 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station In-Reply-To: <2cff38e9.4949.174d3ea2a7f.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> References: <5A921F1FB58F4AC2813C4FCD1A342FA5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <2D9933C8-DD41-49AC-BADD-1E20B01E657A@btinternet.com> <2cff38e9.4949.174d3ea2a7f.Webtop.99@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4581e417-7162-25af-0840-e48c354d49fa@ntlworld.com> Naaah - it was me! B On 28/09/2020 09:52, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > B.B.C. related Trivia (wot I heard somewhere). Nigel Kneale gave his > 1950's sci-fi hero Quatermass the christian name 'Bernard', after > Bernard Lovell, upon whom he was loosely based. > > > luv, Rog. > > ------ Original Message ------ From: "David Newbitt via Tech1" > To: "Roger E Long" > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Sunday, 27 Sep, 20 At 20:12 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station > Thanks for the tip Roger. As it happens, the Minnack was on our > list this year but we started the day in Penzance to see the > exhibition of works by the Newlyn School of artists ( pre-booked > with an allocated time slot), continued then to Lamorna Cove where > a number of the artists had lived, and should thereafter have > headed for the Minnack. Sadly we had booked an early slot for our > evening meal at Manaccan near the Helford estuary and we could see > there wasn?t going to be time to fit it all in. I didn?t know > about the Museum but we shall be in Cornwall again next year and > organise our time better. > Re the Lovell telescope. My son and family live in Cheshire on the > Delamere Forest so we have seen Jodrell Bank on a couple of > occasions when visiting them. I took the attached shot of the > telescope from the roadside in April 2008. > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Roger E Long > *Sent:* Sunday, September 27, 2020 6:32 PM > *To:* David Newbitt > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station > When in Cornwall its well worth looking up Porthcurno and the > Cable and Wireless underground museum. > Fascinating insights into global undersea telecoms and its history. > They thought the Germans would attack so it went underground for > WWII , they never did, but we cut their cable from Hamburg to New > York immediately in 1914. > Porthcurno beach is a beauty, its under the Minnack open theatre, > it shelves steeply and the water colours are green and contrast > with Logans Rock outcrop, we last visited in a great storm and > many cables were visible ancient and modern. > We filmed a Science fiction play under the Radio telescope at > Jodrell Bank, its the Lovell Telescope. > Sir Bernard pioneered Radio astronomy, he was lucky to survive > WWII,he narrowly missed the Halifax flight from Malvern testing > H2S air to ground radar that killed Alan Dower Blumlien and 11 > other top Radar scientists. > He arrived on his bike a little late. > Malvern did a lot of early research that pointed the way to the > stars, they were investigating radar noise, it turned out to be > meteors. > > On 26 Sep 2020, at 12:40, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > This year?s pilgrimage to Cornwall afforded the chance to see > Goonhilly Downs for the first time in some while. We stopped > and admired the structure of the original Satellite Dish No 1 > ?Arthur? and felt it amazing this was now 58 years old. A > reminder of just how much engineering brilliance existed in > what was then still Post Office Telephones. > Weighing in at 1100+ tons (tonnes? ? not sure which) and about > 85 ft. diameter it was built to last so mercifully, when BT > decided it was surplus to requirements, it was rescued with > the rest of the satellite arrays and reborn as Goonhilly Earth > Station on a 999 year lease from BT. There is no longer a > visitor centre (which at one time pulled 80,000 visitors per > year) but good views are obtainable from outside the perimeter > fence. The front view needs morning light, the rear view > evening light but as we were based only a short distance away > at Porthallow I was able to do both. > With recent recollections on the forum of the early days of > international satellite hook ups I thought it might be nice to > remember we once did things rather well! > Dave Newbitt. > 'Arthur' rear.jpg>-- Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Sep 28 06:45:44 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:45:44 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: References: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> Message-ID: <60645BAE-75BD-4768-A3FE-4591B2AF6D10@me.com> Another Meccano aficionado, and that plus Dinky toys was my world for quite some time. (From memory). Why did the holes in the large clockwork motor frame not match up in pitch or diameter with the standard pieces? Was it meant to be part of the 'gears ' accessory outfit? Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 28 Sep 2020, at 12:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Throughout my boyhood Meccano was my favourite pastime by a mile. I started with a No.5 set, my main Christmas present when I was five. I remember effort number one was a flange plate, two spindles/axles and 4 rubber tyred wheels. I proudly trudged up the road to my pal?s house clutching this masterpiece to find that he too had been given Meccano but a much larger set which his father had already converted into a huge gantry crane which articulated, jibbed, raised and lowered its block and tackle etc. etc. One of my earliest recollections of feeling utterly crushed! > > The following year saw my version upgraded to a No 6 set, but thereafter I concentrated more on acquiring things like motors and gears. The gears fascinated me with straight cut, bevel, helical, worm, contrate etc. and I used to construct things like differentials so that I understood from quite a young age how such things worked. Gear reduction trains to achieve increasing torque were another obsession as I attempted to get a simple wheeled platform up ever steepening gradients, learning along the way that frictional losses meant there was a limit to how far you could push the idea. > > In my early teens we lived a few doors from a terminally ill lad and my mother persuaded me that it would be a wonderful gesture to give him my Meccano. Like some other expansive gestures I look back on, I wonder if I got it right! > > Would have envied your No 9 set Alan, a proud possession indeed. There is currently an unused No 10 set on ebay at ?8,699. How?s the bank balance looking! > > Dave Newbitt > > > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano > > My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals. Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me. It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build. My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. > > Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> >>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. >>> >>> The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Found this the other day AB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 06:49:08 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:49:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: References: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> Message-ID: <7ee6fb5b-7143-6d5b-1bfc-1ea74d9fe6c2@gmail.com> Back in trainspotting years, about 1959, I was given an Ian Allan LMS book from 1947, in pristine condition. My mother told me I didn't need it, and to give it to Terry down the road, who was "poor".? What she thought we were, I don't know.? I objected, but she forced me. Terry promptly sold it for quite good money in our terms.? In the early days of eBay I saw a copy and bought it, just because.? It's still here in this room somewhere. B On 28/09/2020 12:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Throughout my boyhood Meccano was my favourite pastime by a mile. I > started with a No.5 set, my main Christmas present when I was five. I > remember effort number one was a flange plate, two spindles/axles and > 4 rubber tyred wheels. I proudly trudged up the road to my pal?s house > clutching this masterpiece to find that he too had been given Meccano > but a much larger set which his father had already converted into a > huge gantry crane which articulated, jibbed, raised and lowered its > block and tackle etc. etc. One of my earliest recollections of feeling > utterly crushed! > The following year saw my version upgraded to a No 6 set, but > thereafter I concentrated more on acquiring things like motors and > gears. The gears fascinated me with straight cut, bevel, helical, > worm, contrate etc. and I used to construct things like differentials > so that I understood from quite a young age how such things worked. > Gear reduction trains to achieve increasing torque were another > obsession as I attempted to get a simple wheeled platform up ever > steepening gradients, learning along the way that frictional losses > meant there was a limit to how far you could push the idea. > In my early teens we lived a few doors from a terminally ill lad and > my mother persuaded me that it would be a wonderful gesture to give > him my Meccano. Like some other expansive gestures I look back on, I > wonder if I got it right! > Would have envied your No 9 set Alan, a proud possession indeed. There > is currently an unused No 10 set on ebay at ?8,699. How?s the bank > balance looking! > Dave Newbitt > *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM > *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Meccano > My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking > dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals.? Many years > later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, > turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me.? It was the > real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard > to build.? My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. > Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a > collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little > B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to > contain the same projects. > Alan Taylor > >> On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> >>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand >>> number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts.? The secret weapon >>> amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, >>> including some that were printed for special display projects. >>> >>> The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad >>> was a compositor at a printing? company which had the contract for >>> making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano? >>> instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might >>> call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which >>> stood for Balding & Mansell.? I was very disappointed that B&M >>> didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano >>> magazine.? This was because monthly magazines required a different >>> printing process with a specialised workflow. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Found this the other day AB >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 28 06:50:26 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:50:26 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: References: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> Message-ID: <5f71ce01.1c69fb81.437b5.3873@mx.google.com> I, too, loved Meccano, so did my pussycat who liked to come and sit in the box, on all the sharp metal! I mostly liked to build trams and trolley buses, with steerable bogies. That and cable cars, suspended with string running between my first floor bedroom and a tree in the garden. I do recall that the Mamod steam engines had the base plate drilled to the same size and pitch to match Meccano pieces. Maybe they were made by the same people? A Meccano electric motor drove the screen curtains for my miniature cinema, but wasn?t really man enough for the job. There was a rival construction set which had a triple row of holes along the strips? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 12:23 To: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano Throughout my boyhood Meccano was my favourite pastime by a mile. I started with a No.5 set, my main Christmas present when I was five. I remember effort number one was a flange plate, two spindles/axles and 4 rubber tyred wheels. I proudly trudged up the road to my pal?s house clutching this masterpiece to find that he too had been given Meccano but a much larger set which his father had already converted into a huge gantry crane which articulated, jibbed, raised and lowered its block and tackle etc. etc. One of my earliest recollections of feeling utterly crushed! ? The following year saw my version upgraded to a No 6 set, but thereafter I concentrated more on acquiring things like motors and gears. The gears fascinated me with straight cut, bevel, helical, worm, contrate etc. and I used to construct things like differentials so that I understood from quite a young age how such things worked. Gear reduction trains to achieve increasing torque were another obsession as I attempted to get a simple wheeled platform up ever steepening gradients, learning along the way that frictional losses meant there was a limit to how far you could push the idea. ? In my early teens we lived a few doors from a terminally ill lad and my mother persuaded me that it would be a wonderful gesture to give him my Meccano. Like some other expansive gestures I look back on, I wonder if I got it right! ? Would have envied your No 9 set Alan, a proud possession indeed. There is currently an unused No 10 set on ebay at ?8,699. How?s the bank balance looking! ? Dave Newbitt ? ? ? From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano ? My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals.? Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me.? It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build.? My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. ? Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects.? ? Alan Taylor On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: ? On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts.? The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing? company which had the contract for making all those manuals.? If you encounter an original Meccano? instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we? might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell.? I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine.? This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. Alan Taylor On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? ? Graeme Wall On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: Found this the other day AB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 56D90D03A7EE4FEFA08A7DCF5E2AD9B2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 73123 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 9FE2221FF1C3457A917D03C00DC718E8.png Type: image/png Size: 140 bytes Desc: not available URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 28 07:02:22 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 13:02:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <60645BAE-75BD-4768-A3FE-4591B2AF6D10@me.com> References: <60645BAE-75BD-4768-A3FE-4591B2AF6D10@me.com> Message-ID: <87AA4255-7176-4CA0-9F95-2FB0ADE96ECA@me.com> I think you?re right about the funny hole spacing. From memory, they were on a half inch pitch, but some gear combinations required non standard spacing. The other way to accommodate strange spacing was to arrange triangular structures so that holes could be at the appropriate pitch. My old Meccano set was borrowed by my younger brother when he had children. They didn?t show any interest in it and after a few years he disposed of it because it was taking up too much room, which really pissed me off. Bit of trivia - I was told by an uncle who used to fly Lysander aircraft during the war that the entire tailplane assembled was fastened to the fuselage by three aviation grade 4 BA bolts. Meccano users might recall that the nuts and bolts were 4 BA. I think I?d be a bit wary about an aircraft if I knew that such an important part was only held on by posh versions of Meccano bolts, but he insisted that they were entirely appropriate for the task and that you wouldn?t want to use anything heavier so far away from the centre of gravity. Alan Taylor > On 28 Sep 2020, at 12:45, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > ?Another Meccano aficionado, and that plus Dinky toys was my world for quite some time. > > (From memory). Why did the holes in the large clockwork motor frame not match up in pitch or diameter with the standard pieces? Was it meant to be part of the 'gears ' accessory outfit? > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > >>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 12:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Throughout my boyhood Meccano was my favourite pastime by a mile. I started with a No.5 set, my main Christmas present when I was five. I remember effort number one was a flange plate, two spindles/axles and 4 rubber tyred wheels. I proudly trudged up the road to my pal?s house clutching this masterpiece to find that he too had been given Meccano but a much larger set which his father had already converted into a huge gantry crane which articulated, jibbed, raised and lowered its block and tackle etc. etc. One of my earliest recollections of feeling utterly crushed! >>> >>> The following year saw my version upgraded to a No 6 set, but thereafter I concentrated more on acquiring things like motors and gears. The gears fascinated me with straight cut, bevel, helical, worm, contrate etc. and I used to construct things like differentials so that I understood from quite a young age how such things worked. Gear reduction trains to achieve increasing torque were another obsession as I attempted to get a simple wheeled platform up ever steepening gradients, learning along the way that frictional losses meant there was a limit to how far you could push the idea. >>> >>> In my early teens we lived a few doors from a terminally ill lad and my mother persuaded me that it would be a wonderful gesture to give him my Meccano. Like some other expansive gestures I look back on, I wonder if I got it right! >>> >>> Would have envied your No 9 set Alan, a proud possession indeed. There is currently an unused No 10 set on ebay at ?8,699. How?s the bank balance looking! >>> >>> Dave Newbitt >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM >>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano >>> >>> My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals. Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me. It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build. My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. >>> >>> Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. >>>> >>>> The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Found this the other day AB >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(I hated sport) and never realised that I would go on to work on that very programme much later! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 09:53 To: David Newbitt; Roger E Long Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Goonhilly Earth Station B.B.C. related Trivia (wot I heard somewhere). Nigel Kneale gave his 1950's sci-fi hero Quatermass the christian name 'Bernard', after Bernard Lovell, upon whom he was loosely based. luv, Rog. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Sep 28 07:57:25 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 13:57:25 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <60645BAE-75BD-4768-A3FE-4591B2AF6D10@me.com> References: <60645BAE-75BD-4768-A3FE-4591B2AF6D10@me.com> Message-ID: <58b7140458davesound@btinternet.com> I was given a used Meccano set by a pal of my father. My older brother already had Trix. It may well have been pre WW2 and was gold and blue - the blue plates having a gold cross hatch on them. And was missing the flange plate - the base for so many models. But formed a basis for me to build up on. I credit Meccano with my not being scared of taking anything apart to fix it. Even when not always successful. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 28 08:18:04 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:18:04 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <5f71ce01.1c69fb81.437b5.3873@mx.google.com> References: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> <5f71ce01.1c69fb81.437b5.3873@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5f71e28f.1c69fb81.3f609.5451@mx.google.com> More toy nostalgia: Injured by Meccano ? it fought back! On the voyage to Singapore, to join my Dad at his army base there, I trod on the Meccano screwdriver which was propped up on a ruck in the carpet. The ship?s MO had to gently extricate it, and patch me up ? I have a dent in the sole of my foot to this day. The mention of Lego reminded me that I had a construction kit called Minibrix. This was a forerunner to Lego, the little rubber bricks had a stud and socket system to join them up. Another building kit was Minibricks. This used small clay bricks to build houses, with a cement mortar that dissolved in water, so the constructions could be broken down and re-used. I remember that these bricks were quite flat, but there seems to be others, now which are rather more brick-like! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: patheigham Sent: 28 September 2020 12:50 To: David Newbitt; Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: RE: [Tech1] Meccano I, too, loved Meccano, so did my pussycat who liked to come and sit in the box, on all the sharp metal! There was a rival construction set which had a triple row of holes along the strips? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 12:23 To: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano Throughout my boyhood Meccano was my favourite pastime by a mile. I started with a No.5 set, my main Christmas present when I was five. I remember effort number one was a flange plate, two spindles/axles and 4 rubber tyred wheels. I proudly trudged up the road to my pal?s house clutching this masterpiece to find that he too had been given Meccano but a much larger set which his father had already converted into a huge gantry crane which articulated, jibbed, raised and lowered its block and tackle etc. etc. One of my earliest recollections of feeling utterly crushed! ? ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? ? Graeme Wall -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Even all still on Wikepedia https://www.brightontoymuseum.co.uk/index/Category:Trix_construction_sets Mike From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 2:18 PM To: David Newbitt ; Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano More toy nostalgia: Injured by Meccano ? it fought back! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Sep 28 09:06:37 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 15:06:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <58b7140458davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58b7140458davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: My second-hand Meccano kit also had some of those vintage blue and gold cross hatch panels. I thought they looked pretty cool. There were a load of other curious parts which didn?t appear in post war catalogues, but were quite useful, however most of the parts were from the 1950s. I was lucky enough to have three big electric motors which used field windings rather than permanent magnets. I designed and built a special power supply with switches to control the speed and direction of each motor, based on a multi-tapped transformer similar to the the official Meccano one, but adapted from a salvaged transformer where all the wiring was stripped off except for the original mains primary coil and new tapped secondary windings were made. The first problem was that the cheap rotary switches I bought from Henry?s Radio couldn?t handle anything like the surge currents from the motors and the switches vaporised most spectacularly. I ended up making rotary switches out of studs and spring contacts salvaged from some military surplus equipment. The second unexpected problem was that if you reverse the polarity to a motor with field coils, it still runs in the original direction, which is not all that surprising when you remember that it was running on AC power. I hadn?t realised that the way I had read about controlling motors with permanent magnets wasn?t applicable to these motors and didn?t think to experiment before building the awesome, triple output power control device. The motor itself had a sort of switch plate on the front allowing it to run forwards or backwards by changing the polarity of the field coils relative to the armature. The control plate had holes for bolts so that it could be operated by Meccano components or linkages. My dreams of operating a James Bond villain style of control panel were not going to be possible until such times as permanent magnet Meccano motors became available, but by then I was interested in other things, such as model aircraft, tape recorders and then young ladies. Looking back, my understanding of power handling, motor types and electrical safety was somewhat lacking in those days. My understanding of young ladies was no better either, but the failed experiments were more fun. Alan Taylor > On 28 Sep 2020, at 14:05, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I was given a used Meccano set by a pal of my father. My older brother > already had Trix. > > It may well have been pre WW2 and was gold and blue - the blue plates > having a gold cross hatch on them. And was missing the flange plate - the > base for so many models. But formed a basis for me to build up on. > > I credit Meccano with my not being scared of taking anything apart to fix > it. Even when not always successful. ;-) > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From trevor551 at btinternet.com Mon Sep 28 10:09:48 2020 From: trevor551 at btinternet.com (TREVOR VAISEY) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 16:09:48 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Tech1] Meccano Message-ID: <6bc71435.5d66.174d5434078.Webtop.89@btinternet.com> Following the recent postings about Meccano reminded me of my various attempts at building TV equipment out of my kit. I had started of with a No 6 and progressed, via various Christmas add-ons, to a No 9, plus one or two bits. Never did make the sought after No 10 though! The attached picture is from the August 1953 edition of the Meccano Magazine. TV -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Never did make the sought after No 10 though! The attached picture is from the August 1953 edition of the Meccano Magazine. TV -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Sep 28 11:01:13 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:01:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <1EBACB66ADDA4DEE8D951AD634D3ABF5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6bc71435.5d66.174d5434078.Webtop.89@btinternet.com> <1EBACB66ADDA4DEE8D951AD634D3ABF5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: You are not alone, Dave! Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 28 Sep 2020, at 16:17, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Brilliant! If that was mine I would consider it amongst my finest achievements. It reminds me how much trouble I had returning flexible plates to true flatness after curving them for boilers etc. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: TREVOR VAISEY via Tech1 <> > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 4:09 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <> > Subject: [Tech1] Meccano > > Following the recent postings about Meccano reminded me of my various attempts at building TV equipment out of my kit. > > I had started of with a No 6 and progressed, via various Christmas add-ons, to a No 9, plus one or two bits. Never did make the sought after No 10 though! > > The attached picture is from the August 1953 edition of the Meccano Magazine. > > TV > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Sep 28 11:17:47 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:17:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <87AA4255-7176-4CA0-9F95-2FB0ADE96ECA@me.com> References: <60645BAE-75BD-4768-A3FE-4591B2AF6D10@me.com> <87AA4255-7176-4CA0-9F95-2FB0ADE96ECA@me.com> Message-ID: <5fd94797-d56b-0c6c-6638-f6fa8fa23036@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 28/09/2020 13:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > ... > > - I was told by an uncle who used to fly Lysander aircraft during the > war that the entire tailplane assembled was fastened to the fuselage > by three aviation grade 4 BA bolts. ?Meccano users might recall that > the nuts and bolts were 4 BA. ?I think I?d be a bit wary about an > aircraft if I knew that such an important part was only held on by > posh versions of Meccano bolts, but he insisted that they were > entirely appropriate for the task and that you wouldn?t want to use > anything heavier so far away from the centre of gravity. > > A high grade (10.9) M4 bolt (which is close to a 4BA) has a sheer strength of around half a ton - amazing, I know, but high tensile steel is pretty good stuff. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 12:23:21 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:23:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <1EBACB66ADDA4DEE8D951AD634D3ABF5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <6bc71435.5d66.174d5434078.Webtop.89@btinternet.com> <1EBACB66ADDA4DEE8D951AD634D3ABF5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: One of the first things to do, when I went to college in Liverpool after leaving the BBC, was a pilgrimage to Binns Road. Although the? factory in Binns Road did not close until 1979, already by then (1967) Hornby had been taken over by Triang, and it just was not the same... Meccano Factory Binns Road Liverpool POSTER rentables.co.nz Not far away, on Edge Lane, was the Littlewoods Pools building - of course, football pools were big business at one time.? But in recent years the building has stood empty.....However, in June 2018, developers announced that the site will consist of a film studio complex and adjacent soundstages to become a new base of Twickenham Studios. Slated to become 'Hollywood of The North', the studios will be named Littlewoods Studios as an homage to the building in which the studios will be housed. My greatest love was for the Hornby Dublo railway. - "Sir Nigel Gresley" and a couple of tinplate teak coaches to go with the Streak.? A distant cousin (distantly related)? just round the corner had "Duchess of Montrose" and matching coaches, so that when we were primary schoolchildren, we could occasionally get together and set out a reasonable layout.? The great thing was that the track was boy-proof: it would accept an awful lot of bad treatment and still clip together and the trains would run. I really liked Meccano, but... whenever I tried to make "proper" Ackermann steering for my buses - or whatever - the wheels simply splayed out : most disheartening.? But one of my troubles with Meccano magazine was that would see a picture of a nice "thing" and I would try to make it from the picture, which was almost always doomed to fail! // Meccano Magazine, The Eagle, and the Beano - wonderful. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Sep 28 12:37:38 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:37:38 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: References: <6bc71435.5d66.174d5434078.Webtop.89@btinternet.com><1EBACB66ADDA4DEE8D951AD634D3ABF5@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <80BBEA1A40FA4D109268638A5FEA9BF7@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> If anyone has the browsing time available there?s a good Flickr photostream of an amazing variety of constructed models. The URL below is an arbitrary point of entry into the sequence but it?s a quirky beginning from which to go forward https://www.flickr.com/photos/gregwebbphotographer/4200801509/in/photostream/ I loved it! Dave Newbitt. From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:23 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano One of the first things to do, when I went to college in Liverpool after leaving the BBC, was a pilgrimage to Binns Road. Although the factory in Binns Road did not close until 1979, already by then (1967) Hornby had been taken over by Triang, and it just was not the same... Not far away, on Edge Lane, was the Littlewoods Pools building - of course, football pools were big business at one time. But in recent years the building has stood empty.....However, in June 2018, developers announced that the site will consist of a film studio complex and adjacent soundstages to become a new base of Twickenham Studios. Slated to become 'Hollywood of The North', the studios will be named Littlewoods Studios as an homage to the building in which the studios will be housed. My greatest love was for the Hornby Dublo railway. - "Sir Nigel Gresley" and a couple of tinplate teak coaches to go with the Streak. A distant cousin (distantly related) just round the corner had "Duchess of Montrose" and matching coaches, so that when we were primary schoolchildren, we could occasionally get together and set out a reasonable layout. The great thing was that the track was boy-proof: it would accept an awful lot of bad treatment and still clip together and the trains would run. I really liked Meccano, but... whenever I tried to make "proper" Ackermann steering for my buses - or whatever - the wheels simply splayed out : most disheartening. But one of my troubles with Meccano magazine was that would see a picture of a nice "thing" and I would try to make it from the picture, which was almost always doomed to fail! Meccano Magazine, The Eagle, and the Beano - wonderful. -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Sep 28 12:53:07 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 18:53:07 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> References: <91318E00-C0ED-4CE2-A637-7441BC9F4497@btinternet.com> <2FD386E7-6680-415D-84A5-83684D4E9950@me.com> Message-ID: <142FE51F1DA94F4F96255F160EB58E0D@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Was this the one Alan ? Ransomes & Rapier W1400. This model was built by one Colin Davies and is in the Flickr photostream I mentioned in my previous post. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals. Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me. It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build. My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects. Alan Taylor On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: ? On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. Alan Taylor On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? ? 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Apologies, Dave Newbitt From: David Newbitt Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:53 PM To: Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano Was this the one Alan ? Ransomes & Rapier W1400. This model was built by one Colin Davies and is in the Flickr photostream I mentioned in my previous post. Dave Newbitt. From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals. Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me. It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build. My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects. Alan Taylor On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: ? On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. This was because monthly magazines required a different printing process with a specialised workflow. Alan Taylor On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? ? Graeme Wall On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: Found this the other day AB -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I instantly knew what it was because it had a very distinctive parallelogram arm arrangement. As for model railways, my dad decided that I wanted an electric railway and got me a Hornby Dublo 3 rail railway, if I remember correctly, one loco was the Duchess of Atholl. We built it up into quite a complex layout, but I wasn?t very interested in playing with it, just building it. When it was obvious that it was not my sort of thing, we sold it and the money was put towards that fabulous second hand Meccano set which I seldom left alone for long. My best friend?s dad was an architect and he didn?t reckon much to model railways or Meccano. He decided that his son wanted a Bayko house building set. The dad loved building lots of variants of between the war styles of houses, but my friend didn?t much care for it. I liked playing with it once in a while, but it wasn?t terribly satisfying as you could only build variations on a theme, while Meccano could be used to make a massive variety of things. I believe that Bayko was eventually bought out by Meccano. Alan Taylor > On 28 Sep 2020, at 18:57, David Newbitt wrote: > > ? > Best if I remembered the photo! > > > Apologies, > > Dave Newbitt > > From: David Newbitt > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:53 PM > To: Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano > > Was this the one Alan ? Ransomes & Rapier W1400. This model was built by one Colin Davies and is in the Flickr photostream I mentioned in my previous post. > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano > > My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals. Many years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me. It was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I toiled so hard to build. My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly unimpressed. > > Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem to contain the same projects. > > Alan Taylor > >> On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> >>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts. The secret weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction manuals, including some that were printed for special display projects. >>> >>> The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad was a compositor at a printing company which had the contract for making all those manuals. If you encounter an original Meccano instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, which stood for Balding & Mansell. I was very disappointed that B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano magazine. 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Message-ID: ............you could easily be hypnotised............zzzzzzzzzz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtc__nxtQSc TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 28 16:44:47 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:44:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <164D1EDC-7384-4ED6-84D0-CB9C769498B9@me.com> References: <5BBF839F4F574EC49B5E4484CA256588@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <164D1EDC-7384-4ED6-84D0-CB9C769498B9@me.com> Message-ID: <5f72594e.1c69fb81.39027.4a35@mx.google.com> I mentioned in a previous posting that I stepped on the Meccano screwdriver on the way to Singapore by boat. When Mum and I arrived, my Dad who had been out there a year earlier had put his spare change into a Players cigarette tin, for my pocket money, which I spent in Robinson?s, a department store in Raffles Square, the like of which we had never seen in the UK. I came away with a Bayko building set. Later a Hornby Dublo Goods was my first electric train set. On arrival back in the UK, our neighbour in the Isle of Wight was the head of a family that owned several bike and toy shops around the Island. Visited his main shop to buy The Duchess of Montrose (still in my loft and working!). I was used to haggling prices, having learned down Change Alley in Singapore ? he was so amused that he let me have it for what I was prepared to pay! Mentioning Eagle ? at prep school, my folks sent me Beano, Dandy, Hotspur, Rover and Eagle, but the headmaster eventually only permitted Eagle. But the exploded diagrams in the centre spread were fantastic, weren?t they? (Although I was more amused by Desperate Dan and his cow pie!). My school in Leatherhead had a super outdoor Gauge 1 model railway club, running clockwork, electric and steam locos, and I had what I thought was a Gauge 1 Bing 4-6-2 clockwork loco. It overlapped the track, so was actually Gauge 2! Some of you will remember Roger Davies, who was a TVC Technical Assistant. He had a business in my village, repairing antique clocks, but also looked after my school?s clockwork locomotives, and a pocket gramophone that I have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M1c-bLt1dM (not my video) I?ve re-covered the turntable with green felt, though. He re-attached the spring, made me a new needle clamp screw and provided some steel needles. This machine is all you needed, with a rowing boat/punt on the river, a bottle of champagne and female company. I suppose that if you lost the oars, the records could be improvised as paddles! (Desert Island Discs?) Sadly, during one summer holiday, local oiks broke in to the school grounds and totally trashed the outside layout. It was never rebuilt. Membership of this Railway Soc was dependent on doing something constructive. I discovered a dusty mail coach, which would put out the collector net, activated by a solenoid lever in the tracks, and shut again if the mail bag was heavy enough. Looking for a source of lead to weight the bags, I melted down my collection of Brittains Royal Marine band musicians! Sacrilege! I should have pinched the lead off the chapel roof! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1Sent: 28 September 2020 21:21 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano As for model railways, my dad decided that I wanted an electric railway and got me a Hornby Dublo 3 rail railway, if I remember correctly, one loco was the Duchess of Atholl. We built it up into quite a complex layout, but I wasn?t very interested in playing with it, just building it. ?When it was obvious that it was not my sort of thing, we sold it and the money was put towards that fabulous second hand Meccano set which I seldom left alone for long. My best friend?s dad was an architect and he didn?t reckon much to model railways or Meccano. ?He decided that his son wanted a Bayko house building set. ?The dad loved building lots of variants of between the war styles of houses, but my friend didn?t much care for it. ?I liked playing with it once in a while, but it wasn?t terribly satisfying as you could only build variations on a theme, while Meccano could be used to make a massive variety of things. ?I believe that Bayko was eventually bought out by Meccano. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Sep 28 16:52:35 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:52:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f725b22.1c69fb81.c5759.a1c7@mx.google.com> Think it?s real, but there is no person adjacent to determine scale. Check the road nearby, though. I love model railways, but shudder at the guys who drive the ride-on gauges, wearing their greasy engineer?s caps. It?s totally out of scale to have a blighter perched behind a beautiful miniature locomotive. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 21:28 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train Haven't heard a word about trains here for...........oh, about a day or two? Keep up lads, keep up! Here's one I built earlier (what do you mean, it's not a model/CGI?). C'mon, that's not real, is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj5vQ5oOGL0 TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Sep 28 18:23:37 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 23:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train In-Reply-To: <5f725b22.1c69fb81.c5759.a1c7@mx.google.com> References: , <5f725b22.1c69fb81.c5759.a1c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Here?s a picture from the front page of the Surrey Advertiser rather a long time ago. That?s me shovelling coal into the loco, aided by two not-to-scale old blighters in greasy caps. And I got to take the driver?s seat with passengers on board, up and down about 50 yards of track. Supervised, of course. We have front view pix somewhere here too, if only I could find them. (Umpteen boxes of old pix, yet to be scanned). I still remember boasting at school that I?d driven a steam locomotive (every schoolboy?s greatest ambition), but didn?t mention that it was a model! (Guildford Model Railway Society, in Stoke Park, Guildford). Cheers, Nick. [cid:28623915-1C83-4A89-9DAB-77841660AE99] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2020, at 22:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Think it?s real, but there is no person adjacent to determine scale. Check the road nearby, though. I love model railways, but shudder at the guys who drive the ride-on gauges, wearing their greasy engineer?s caps. It?s totally out of scale to have a blighter perched behind a beautiful miniature locomotive. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 21:28 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train Haven't heard a word about trains here for...........oh, about a day or two? Keep up lads, keep up! Here's one I built earlier (what do you mean, it's not a model/CGI?). C'mon, that's not real, is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj5vQ5oOGL0 TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 739122 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 02:32:09 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 08:32:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train In-Reply-To: References: <5f725b22.1c69fb81.c5759.a1c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <87c9358d-1516-8ac3-faa9-d5419ca803b4@gmail.com> Ho hum... Here is my 5 inch gauge GWR 14xx tank, built from a kit: I bought the kit before joining the local club - should have waited and followed the old codgers' advice!? The kit - as a kit - was dreadful, and needed a lot of rework, remake and revision to get this far. It doesn't? quite go "chuff chuff" - it's somewhat out of time - but I can't make any further changes to the valve timing. Now got to fettle and finish it. Meanwhile, the "00" gauge layout has been progressing - all the track is now laid in position.? It needs fettling (sorting out the solder joints) and adding sleepers by the baseboard joints, then ballasting, wiring, point motor installation... The picture below was taken nearly three weeks ago and shows the fiddle yard under construction.? You can see both the narrow gauge line and the standard gauge lines. 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Dave Newbitt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:23 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train Here?s a picture from the front page of the Surrey Advertiser rather a long time ago. That?s me shovelling coal into the loco, aided by two not-to-scale old blighters in greasy caps. And I got to take the driver?s seat with passengers on board, up and down about 50 yards of track. Supervised, of course. We have front view pix somewhere here too, if only I could find them. (Umpteen boxes of old pix, yet to be scanned). I still remember boasting at school that I?d driven a steam locomotive (every schoolboy?s greatest ambition), but didn?t mention that it was a model! (Guildford Model Railway Society, in Stoke Park, Guildford). Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2020, at 22:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Think it?s real, but there is no person adjacent to determine scale. Check the road nearby, though. I love model railways, but shudder at the guys who drive the ride-on gauges, wearing their greasy engineer?s caps. It?s totally out of scale to have a blighter perched behind a beautiful miniature locomotive. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 21:28 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train Haven't heard a word about trains here for...........oh, about a day or two? Keep up lads, keep up! Here's one I built earlier (what do you mean, it's not a model/CGI?). 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It was taken at Waterloo in 1924 and I believe is quite well known/famous. > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:23 AM > To: <>tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train > > Here?s a picture from the front page of the Surrey Advertiser rather a long time ago. That?s me shovelling coal into the loco, aided by two not-to-scale old blighters in greasy caps. And I got to take the driver?s seat with passengers on board, up and down about 50 yards of track. Supervised, of course. We have front view pix somewhere here too, if only I could find them. (Umpteen boxes of old pix, yet to be scanned). I still remember boasting at school that I?d driven a steam locomotive (every schoolboy?s greatest ambition), but didn?t mention that it was a model! > (Guildford Model Railway Society, in Stoke Park, Guildford). > Cheers, > Nick. > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 28 Sep 2020, at 22:52, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> ? >> Think it?s real, but there is no person adjacent to determine scale. >> Check the road nearby, though. >> I love model railways, but shudder at the guys who drive the ride-on gauges, wearing their greasy engineer?s caps. It?s totally out of scale to have a blighter perched behind a beautiful miniature locomotive. >> >> Pat >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: techtone via Tech1 <> >> Sent: 28 September 2020 21:28 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <> >> Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train >> >> Haven't heard a word about trains here for...........oh, about a day or two? Keep up lads, keep up! Here's one I built earlier (what do you mean, it's not a model/CGI?). C'mon, that's not real, is it? >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj5vQ5oOGL0 >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The neighbour had a similar layout, and they had computerised the whole setup so that they could run scheduled train journeys into and around each others? tracks. There would be a number of trains running at once, often on the same bit of track, points changing to let them through as needed, etc. Just like real signalling, etc. It was mighty impressive, tho? we did wonder if he had a life outside that loft. I don?t remember now whether his cooking skills matched his railway modelling skills. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mggkhobngbgaelle.png Type: image/png Size: 755597 bytes Desc: mggkhobngbgaelle.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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All parts had been cut from properly seasoned Oak and other exotic timbers, so nothing had warped even minutely in the meantime. With the exception of the bellows and reservoir leatherwork, which I got done professionally, I did manage to get it built with a massive amount of improvisation, and I eventually discovered, when I contacted the designer/maker of the kit, that of some ten kits sold, mine was the only one that he knew had been completed to the point of being truly playable. Some vital parts had been either lost, spoilt, or wrongly assembled, so I had to get him to specially make a few one-off replacements. My mention of the words ?improvisation and bodging? got the retort: ?That?s organ building in a nutshell!? [cid:C97AA5DF-4CBB-469B-AE05-8906813AE73A][cid:3B45F505-1CBA-47D3-9623-962CBC10A0E9] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 29 Sep 2020, at 08:33, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: ? Ho hum... Here is my 5 inch gauge GWR 14xx tank, built from a kit: [cid:part1.9E7AC455.41F2AFAA at gmail.com] I bought the kit before joining the local club - should have waited and followed the old codgers' advice! The kit - as a kit - was dreadful, and needed a lot of rework, remake and revision to get this far. It doesn't quite go "chuff chuff" - it's somewhat out of time - but I can't make any further changes to the valve timing. Now got to fettle and finish it. [snip] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 578538 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Who do you think you are, O.S.Nock?' I've had a look through my reading matter and I no longer have the book - I had a cull when I moved house about 20 years ago. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 29 07:48:28 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 13:48:28 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f732d30.1c69fb81.b302c.52bb@mx.google.com> Not boring, Nick. Very impressive and your building skills amazed me when you constructed a TV camera, Plus, I believe you made a C12 mike? Has your brother-in-law played the table-top organ? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 29 September 2020 13:00 To: Alec Bray; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train ?To me, the hallmark of excellent kit building is improvisation and adaptation as you go. That way, you can discover the shortcuts the designer made to simplify production or cut manufacturing costs, and you can either screw it up or improve on it! I?ve probably bored you all with this before, but.....This table-top chamber pipe organ kit consisted of many hundreds of pre-prepared flat pack components. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 29 Sep 2020, at 08:33, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: ? Ho hum... Here is my 5 inch gauge GWR 14xx tank, built from a kit: I bought the kit before joining the local club - should have waited and followed the old codgers' advice!? The kit - as a kit - was dreadful, and needed a lot of rework, remake and revision to get this far. It doesn't? quite go "chuff chuff" - it's somewhat out of time - but I can't make any further changes to the valve timing. Now got to fettle and finish it. [snip] -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 578538 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 711174 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Sep 29 08:48:19 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 14:48:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <164D1EDC-7384-4ED6-84D0-CB9C769498B9@me.com> References: <5BBF839F4F574EC49B5E4484CA256588@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <164D1EDC-7384-4ED6-84D0-CB9C769498B9@me.com> Message-ID: <5f733b21.1c69fb81.4c83d.3e14@mx.google.com> But still on trains, model or real..... I took a girlfriend for a day out on The Bluebell Railway. When she saw the steam engines, delightedly exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? One of my favourite books was The Wonder Book of Railways. I was fascinated with the chapter about overnight sleeper journeys. (Sadly I defaced it with my crayons and cut pictures out ? I?ll have to get a copy that?s advertised for sale, somewhere). Years later, on a school skiing trip to Switzerland, by train, as I was the smallest and lightest, the master in charge strapped me into the luggage rack for the night. All was well until the ticket inspector barged in and spying me, angrily ordered me out of it: ?Descendez-la! C?est pour les baggages ? pas un couchette!? Oops! There?s a superb model layout in Hamburg (never seen it). I gather that the lighting dims to create night time running, and the carriage and street lights all come on. https://www.miniatur-wunderland.com/ Attached is a story, which I probably posted before, of a night shoot, riding on the footplate, on the Watercress Line. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 21:21 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meccano As for model railways, my dad decided that I wanted an electric railway and got me a Hornby Dublo 3 rail railway, if I remember correctly, one loco was the Duchess of Atholl. We built it up into quite a complex layout, but I wasn?t very interested in playing with it, just building it. ?When it was obvious that it was not my sort of thing, we sold it and the money was put towards that fabulous second hand Meccano set which I seldom left alone for long. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Eye of the Needle.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 13071 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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No longer pure tone here but with added harmonics, over the last couple of days. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Sep 29 10:53:55 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 16:53:55 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train In-Reply-To: <3E1D187B-1836-4A6D-BE8B-2E425E32D4E6@ukgateway.net> References: <5f725b22.1c69fb81.c5759.a1c7@mx.google.com><0643C220F728472089B297E3E84CDBF1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <3E1D187B-1836-4A6D-BE8B-2E425E32D4E6@ukgateway.net> Message-ID: <5E822B7902CE4A698DF1634636EDB568@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Thanks Robin ? being first a GNR/LNER lad and later a GWR convert I don?t know about these Southern things! Somehow the original B & W shot seems more evocative. Cheerd, Dave Newbitt. From: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 11:06 AM Cc: TechOps Forum Subject: Re: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train The photo was used in what became the Southern Railway?s most famous railway poster. Robin S On 29 Sep 2020, at 08:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: Your picture Nick reminds me of what I think is perhaps my favourite railway photo. It was taken at Waterloo in 1924 and I believe is quite well known/famous. Dave Newbitt. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 12:23 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train Here?s a picture from the front page of the Surrey Advertiser rather a long time ago. That?s me shovelling coal into the loco, aided by two not-to-scale old blighters in greasy caps. And I got to take the driver?s seat with passengers on board, up and down about 50 yards of track. Supervised, of course. We have front view pix somewhere here too, if only I could find them. (Umpteen boxes of old pix, yet to be scanned). I still remember boasting at school that I?d driven a steam locomotive (every schoolboy?s greatest ambition), but didn?t mention that it was a model! (Guildford Model Railway Society, in Stoke Park, Guildford). Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 28 Sep 2020, at 22:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Think it?s real, but there is no person adjacent to determine scale. Check the road nearby, though. I love model railways, but shudder at the guys who drive the ride-on gauges, wearing their greasy engineer?s caps. It?s totally out of scale to have a blighter perched behind a beautiful miniature locomotive. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 28 September 2020 21:28 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a train Haven't heard a word about trains here for...........oh, about a day or two? Keep up lads, keep up! Here's one I built earlier (what do you mean, it's not a model/CGI?). C'mon, that's not real, is it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zj5vQ5oOGL0 TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One day O.S.Nock, the railway author came in to be interviewed about another book he had just had published. I mentioned that I had just finished reading 'Line Clear Ahead' by him, to which he admitted that it was mostly an autobiography. From what I remember of the book, there was a modified version of the Waterloo poster used for a dinner given by a professional organisation for him - the caption reading 'No you can't come up on the footplate. Who do you think you are, O.S.Nock?' I've had a look through my reading matter and I no longer have the book - I had a cull when I moved house about 20 years ago. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 15:51:00 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 21:51:00 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 In-Reply-To: <000001d6968d$5f5b1c50$1e1154f0$@tsimmons.uk> References: <000001d6968d$5f5b1c50$1e1154f0$@tsimmons.uk> Message-ID: <6f1b05e7-0ffa-3639-c509-a923e4f021fe@gmail.com> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:21:37 +0100 From: TIm To: TIm Hey guys, Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again. Stay safe. Be confident. Be confused. Stay alive. Tim. ?You can?t believe your lying eyes? has now become a reality.? Take a look at this video.? The manipulation of video images is so clever these days you do not know what to believe on the Internet. The ?Lip Sync ?in the attached video is extremely well done and is based on John Lennon?s ?Imagine?. Extraordinarily clever, it has been constructed using Deepfake, an A.I. -based technology used for manipulating images and producing realistic footage?that has no basis in fact. The thing you need to consider when watching this, is that this very same technology is also in the hands of less well-meaning creators who can use it for dark and sinister purposes. One fears the future online when knowing truth from fiction will become near impossible for the casual viewer. Beware of what you see in the future? Virus-free. www.avast.com <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Robin made jigs for super-accurate drilling the hard Ali centre plate (dozens of 0.35 mm holes) and Perspex insulator rings, and for stretching and gluing the Melinex diaphragms. Millling the rings was a masterpiece of lathe-work on Robin?s part, that took incredible care and acquired skill. I did the rest - electronics, casework, etc. We built three, and I eventually passed mine on to Derek Miller-Timmins, who said he would build me a clavichord, but never did. They were pretty good mics, considering that we simplified the capsule construction somewhat. Not long after that, AKG simplified the CK12 way too complex capsule design along the same lines as ours. Isn?t customer feedback a wonderful thing?! Ours was very similar to the early C414b-ULS. I?d love to know where they are now. I sold the little table organ when we moved house. I was told I could only keep one, so I kept the bigger of the two (the bigger one was mostly my build over about 12 years - pic.). Barry has been recorded playing both, somewhat better than I can. The front pipes I had made brand new, but did the finishing and voicing myself. Most of the rest are around 300 years old. To save space, the bottom end (16ft) is a digital sample. The pedalboard is in the garage at the moment. I could have done with a project like these two during lockdown, but that wasn?t to be. Maybe next time...... [cid:E0560089-526C-463A-832C-8D7828070C18] These may not be trains or Meccano, but in some circles, they are equally anoraky! Everyone should have a hobby and be creative in some way. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 29 Sep 2020, at 13:48, patheigham wrote: ? Not boring, Nick. Very impressive and your building skills amazed me when you constructed a TV camera, Plus, I believe you made a C12 mike? Has your brother-in-law played the table-top organ? Best Pat -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Be confident. Be confused. Stay alive. > > Tim. > > > > > ?You can?t believe your lying eyes? has now become a reality. Take a look at this video. The manipulation of video images is so clever these days you do not know what to believe on the Internet. The ?Lip Sync ?in the attached video is extremely well done and is based on John Lennon?s ?Imagine?. > > Extraordinarily clever, it has been constructed using Deepfake, an A.I. -based technology used for manipulating images and producing realistic footage that has no basis in fact. > > The thing you need to consider when watching this, is that this very same technology is also in the hands of less well-meaning creators who can use it for dark and sinister purposes. One fears the future online when knowing truth from fiction will become near impossible for the casual viewer. > > Beware of what you see in the future? > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Sep 30 09:48:19 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:48:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 In-Reply-To: <016210BC-3BC4-4C24-88BD-D2A8BBBF51A7@mac.com> References: <000001d6968d$5f5b1c50$1e1154f0$@tsimmons.uk> <6f1b05e7-0ffa-3639-c509-a923e4f021fe@gmail.com> <016210BC-3BC4-4C24-88BD-D2A8BBBF51A7@mac.com> Message-ID: <5f749ab3.1c69fb81.172c1.cbae@mx.google.com> So, the camera never lies, eh? Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct....... Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59 Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say? Mike G On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 Date:? Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:21:37 +0100 From:? TIm? To:? TIm? Hey guys, ? Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again. ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Sep 30 10:33:14 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 16:33:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 In-Reply-To: <5f749ab3.1c69fb81.172c1.cbae@mx.google.com> References: <5f749ab3.1c69fb81.172c1.cbae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Nice bit of editing. Now does anyone have the rumoured VT edit of Love Sculpture?s Sabre Dance? A Eurovision New Year?s Eve special? Graeme Wall > On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > So, the camera never lies, eh? > Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct....... > > Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Mike Giles via Tech1 > Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 > > Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say? > > Mike G > > > > On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: > FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4 > Date: > Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:21:37 +0100 > From: > TIm > To: > TIm > > > Hey guys, > > Prepare to be amazed. 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