From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct  1 04:47:11 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 09:47:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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A timely reminder of this piece of clever editing from 2006 - (make sure you see the end caption).
youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo
And have a look at some of his other ones.
Did you try searching Love Culture Sabre Dance on YouTube?
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 30 Sep 2020, at 16:33, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Nice bit of editing.

Now does anyone have the rumoured VT edit of Love Sculpture?s Sabre Dance? A Eurovision New Year?s Eve special?

Graeme Wall

On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
So, the camera never lies, eh?
Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct.......

Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws

Pat

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From: Mike Giles via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4

Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say?

Mike G



On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:




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Hey guys,

Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again.




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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  1 05:05:32 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2020 11:05:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pips
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Seems to be sorted today. Be interesting to know how the pips are
generated these days. 



In article <58b7a4df9adavesound at btinternet.com>,
   Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Have the R4 pips been changed, or just a fault? No longer pure tone here
> but with added harmonics, over the last couple of days.

> -- 
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>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  1 05:26:21 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:26:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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	<AF8CE23B-1818-41A9-ADBB-1BB69D68FF8C@icloud.com>
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Nice when it stops!
Glad I don?t live next door to him!
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 01 October 2020 10:47
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4

A timely reminder of this piece of clever editing from 2006 - (make sure you see the end caption).
youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo 
And have a look at some of his other ones.
Did you try searching Love Culture Sabre Dance on YouTube?
Cheers,
Nick.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  1 05:31:18 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 11:31:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pips
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If Hibou had anything to do with it, he would probably cut bits of tone into carefully measured lengths of leader tape!
Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pips

Be interesting to know how the pips are
generated these days. 






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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Oct  1 06:25:10 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:25:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pips
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No longer "negative" pips from Greenwich to BH operating an electronic 
switch in BH basement to allow a very accurate 1Kc/s tone derived from the 
GPO Research station in Dollis Hill via a Private Wire to BH.

Or praps not!

Mike

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2020 11:05 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pips

Seems to be sorted today. Be interesting to know how the pips are
generated these days.



In article <58b7a4df9adavesound at btinternet.com>,
   Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Have the R4 pips been changed, or just a fault? No longer pure tone here
> but with added harmonics, over the last couple of days.

> -- 
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>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  1 06:47:36 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 12:47:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pips
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I am reminded of a very clever film made by an Evesham TA course in the 60?s.
They constructed a ?string? telephone system. The transmitter/ receivers were the baked bean tins, but the two devices that appealed to me were ? the line amplifiers, a string tied to the base of a tall twig in the flowerbed, another string went on from the top of the twig ? therefore a small wag at the bottom, turned into a much larger wag at the top! And the switchboard ? a lass sat at a table, in front of her, a vertical matrix of strings. She would untie one string, and re-tie to another to effect the new routing.
Very, very clever ideas ? no wonder BBC technicians are world renowned (or would be if the training was still in place).
There have been some disastrous decisions made by management.
One hears about dedicated employees buying businesses to keep going ? what if we had been able to purchase TVC and soldier on?
Wonder where the most expensive apartment is? Sixth floor hospitality suite, maybe?
Was there going to be a swimming pool in the old VTR basement? Well the fountain used to leak, so maybe that gave the idea!
Sadly,
Pat


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From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 01 October 2020 12:25
To: Dave Plowman; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pips

No longer "negative" pips from Greenwich to BH operating an electronic 
switch in BH basement to allow a very accurate 1Kc/s tone derived from the 
GPO Research station in Dollis Hill via a Private Wire to BH.

Or praps not!

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Oct  1 07:41:55 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:41:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pips
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When I set up The Big Breakfast for a channel 4, when we were doing practice shows, I was explaining to Chris Evans that during phone-ins, if he picked up the phone, the caller would actually be hearing him via his radio mic and he would hear the caller through his earpiece. I added that the telephone itself was merely a prop, did not need to function and not to be concerned if he didn?t hear anything through it.

His reaction was to say that therefore there was no point in using a telephone because he could ?receive? calls on any comedy object which came to hand.  For the first few weeks of transmission, we went through the spectrum of amusing objects, such as the croissant phone, the banana phone and any number of other ?phones? which had a topical significance.

Inevitably you soon start to run out of funny variations.  At dinner one evening, my son told me that we had overlooked the obvious one, baked bean cans. I told him to tell his friends that his suggestion would be on the show the following morning.

With that, I phoned the prop buyer and asked her to get a couple of empty baked bean cans and some string for tomorrow?s show. I also made up a comedy sound effect of an exaggerated shear snip followed by by a moment of dialling tone and then an empty can being dropped to the floor.

On the show, Chris introduced the caller on line one, held the tin can to his ear and pretended he couldn?t hear the caller, the floor manager then shouted to him to pull the string tighter, which appeared to make the call work. At the end of that call, he said ?Now on line two ...? and a giant pair of gardening shears cut the string ( with comedy sound effect ) before the floor manager brought in a second string, which was tied with a knot onto the string on Chris? baked bean can.  Again, it wouldn?t ?work? until the string was pulled sufficiently tight.

Another daily segment of the early run of shows was a quiz where clues were hung on a washing line in the garden.  Chris would be speaking to a caller while revealing one clue at a time as he walked along the washing line.  One day a clue was a mobile phone.  I got to it beforehand and loaded in my cellphone number with a fake contact name and put that cellphone?s  number into my phone. We made sure that the cellphone was put on the line in such a way that it faced him and could not be seen by the camera.   When he reached the mobile phone clue, it started ringing and the screen lit up to say ?You?re a wanker?.  It sent him into one of his giggles, but obviously couldn?t share the gag with the viewers. 

Alan Taylor



> On 1 Oct 2020, at 12:48, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I am reminded of a very clever film made by an Evesham TA course in the 60?s.
> They constructed a ?string? telephone system. The transmitter/ receivers were the baked bean tins, but the two devices that appealed to me were ? the line amplifiers, a string tied to the base of a tall twig in the flowerbed, another string went on from the top of the twig ? therefore a small wag at the bottom, turned into a much larger wag at the top! And the switchboard ? a lass sat at a table, in front of her, a vertical matrix of strings. She would untie one string, and re-tie to another to effect the new routing.
> Very, very clever ideas ? no wonder BBC technicians are world renowned (or would be if the training was still in place).
> There have been some disastrous decisions made by management.
> One hears about dedicated employees buying businesses to keep going ? what if we had been able to purchase TVC and soldier on?
> Wonder where the most expensive apartment is? Sixth floor hospitality suite, maybe?
> Was there going to be a swimming pool in the old VTR basement? Well the fountain used to leak, so maybe that gave the idea!
> Sadly,
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
> Sent: 01 October 2020 12:25
> To: Dave Plowman; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pips
>  
> No longer "negative" pips from Greenwich to BH operating an electronic
> switch in BH basement to allow a very accurate 1Kc/s tone derived from the
> GPO Research station in Dollis Hill via a Private Wire to BH.
>  
> Or praps not!
>  
> Mike
>  
>  
> 
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Oct  1 07:50:02 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 13:50:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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If the one I mean still exists, it certainly wouldn?t be on you tube!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 Oct 2020, at 10:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A timely reminder of this piece of clever editing from 2006 - (make sure you see the end caption).
> youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo
> And have a look at some of his other ones.
> Did you try searching Love Culture Sabre Dance on YouTube?
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 16:33, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Nice bit of editing.
>> 
>> Now does anyone have the rumoured VT edit of Love Sculpture?s Sabre Dance? A Eurovision New Year?s Eve special?
>> 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> So, the camera never lies, eh?
>>> Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct.......
>>>  
>>> Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips.
>>>  
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws
>>>  
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>  
>>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
>>> Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>>  
>>> Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say?
>>>  
>>> Mike G
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:
>>> FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>> Date: 
>>> Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:21:37 +0100
>>> From: 
>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>> To: 
>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Hey guys,
>>>  
>>> Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  1 08:58:23 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 14:58:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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?Stayin? Alive?
Just watched this effort again ? until I saw the colour clips, I never knew that Rita Hayworth was a redhead!
I?m really impressed with the sync, there must have been any amount of frame duplication to achieve. Even the drummer in the dance band shots is perfect.
Pat
(P.S. Love the frilly knickers! And the little dance skirt she has is really quite sexy! Also proves the point that Astaire always insisted on top-to-toe framing, something that Strictly never gets right with the travelling Steadicam).

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From: patheigham
Sent: 30 September 2020 15:48
To: Mike Giles; Bernard Newnham
Cc: Tech Ops
Subject: RE: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4

Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws

Pat




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From Waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct  1 12:51:53 2020
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 17:51:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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I have no way of knowing which one you mean if it wasn?t the one on YouTube.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 1 Oct 2020, at 13:50, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If the one I mean still exists, it certainly wouldn?t be on you tube!
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2020, at 10:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> A timely reminder of this piece of clever editing from 2006 - (make sure you see the end caption).
>> youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo
>> And have a look at some of his other ones.
>> Did you try searching Love Culture Sabre Dance on YouTube?
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 16:33, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Nice bit of editing.
>>> 
>>> Now does anyone have the rumoured VT edit of Love Sculpture?s Sabre Dance? A Eurovision New Year?s Eve special?
>>> 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> So, the camera never lies, eh?
>>>> Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct.......
>>>> 
>>>> Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>> 
>>>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>>> 
>>>> Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say?
>>>> 
>>>> Mike G
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>> Subject:
>>>> FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>>> Date: 
>>>> Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:21:37 +0100
>>>> From: 
>>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>>> To: 
>>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>> 
>>>> Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Oct  1 12:53:58 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 18:53:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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it was, allegedly, a porn film cut to the music.

Sorry, I thought the story was better known.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 Oct 2020, at 18:51, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I have no way of knowing which one you mean if it wasn?t the one on YouTube.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 1 Oct 2020, at 13:50, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?If the one I mean still exists, it certainly wouldn?t be on you tube!
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Oct 2020, at 10:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A timely reminder of this piece of clever editing from 2006 - (make sure you see the end caption).
>>> youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo
>>> And have a look at some of his other ones.
>>> Did you try searching Love Culture Sabre Dance on YouTube?
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>> 
>>>>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 16:33, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? Nice bit of editing.
>>>> 
>>>> Now does anyone have the rumoured VT edit of Love Sculpture?s Sabre Dance? A Eurovision New Year?s Eve special?
>>>> 
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> So, the camera never lies, eh?
>>>>> Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct.......
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws
>>>>> 
>>>>> Pat
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
>>>>> Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>>>> 
>>>>> Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike G
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject:
>>>>> FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>>>> Date: 
>>>>> Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:21:37 +0100
>>>>> From: 
>>>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>>>> To: 
>>>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  1 14:45:02 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:45:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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Rule 34

B



On 01/10/2020 18:53, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> it was, allegedly, a porn film cut to the music.
>
> Sorry, I thought the story was better known.
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 1 Oct 2020, at 18:51, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have no way of knowing which one you mean if it wasn?t the one on YouTube.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 1 Oct 2020, at 13:50, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?If the one I mean still exists, it certainly wouldn?t be on you tube!
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 1 Oct 2020, at 10:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A timely reminder of this piece of clever editing from 2006 - (make sure you see the end caption).
>>>> youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo
>>>> And have a look at some of his other ones.
>>>> Did you try searching Love Culture Sabre Dance on YouTube?
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 16:33, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> ? Nice bit of editing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now does anyone have the rumoured VT edit of Love Sculpture?s Sabre Dance? A Eurovision New Year?s Eve special?
>>>>>
>>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> So, the camera never lies, eh?
>>>>>> Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct.......
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pat
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
>>>>>> Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mike G
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>>> Subject:
>>>>>> FW: LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
>>>>>> Date:
>>>>>> Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:21:37 +0100
>>>>>> From:
>>>>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>>>>> To:
>>>>>> TIm <tim at tsimmons.uk>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Oct  1 14:46:07 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2020 20:46:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4
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Talking of clever editing, I wonder how many of you remember Keith Warren who was pretty good with 1/4 inch and a razor blade. He dubbed the Bert Kaempfert track of Bye Bye Blues from LP on to tape then cut and spliced myriad times to convert the whole thing into perfect waltz time. It played perfectly (seamlessly in today?s language I guess).
Keith of course left the Beeb for LWT, then contracts overseas first in Bahrain then Kuwait. Freelance work then eventually off to New Zealand where he?s been these many years. He was, among many achievements down under, the sound engineer for various releases by the New Zealand Symphony Orchestra. I?m still in touch.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2020 10:47 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4

A timely reminder of this piece of clever editing from 2006 - (make sure you see the end caption).
youtube.com/watch?v=JzqumbhfxRo 
And have a look at some of his other ones.
Did you try searching Love Culture Sabre Dance on YouTube?
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


  On 30 Sep 2020, at 16:33, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? Nice bit of editing. 

  Now does anyone have the rumoured VT edit of Love Sculpture?s Sabre Dance? A Eurovision New Year?s Eve special?


  Graeme Wall


    On 30 Sep 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    ? 
    So, the camera never lies, eh?

    Very cleverly done, now if they could get the subtitles on other programmes correct.......

     

    Here?s a link to something you may have seen before, but an example of expert and painstaking editing, not to mention the research for the clips.

     

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mz3CPzdCDws

     

    Pat

     

    Sent from Mail for Windows 10

     

    From: Mike Giles via Tech1
    Sent: 29 September 2020 22:59
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] LIP SYNC.....open... if only mp4

     

    Scary, but fantastic! Ironically, I think The Donald was the most convincing! Fake blues, would you say?

     

    Mike G

     





      On 29 Sep 2020, at 21:51, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

       




      -------- Forwarded Message --------

            Subject:
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            Date: 
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            From: 
           TIm mailto:tim at tsimmons.uk
           
            To: 
           TIm mailto:tim at tsimmons.uk
           

       

      Hey guys,

       

      Prepare to be amazed. If you have already seen it, be amazed again.

       

     




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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Oct  2 03:52:52 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 09:52:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rules
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Rule 34, Bernie, have you been watching too many repeats of NCIS?

Dave Buckley

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  2 06:45:13 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 12:45:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anyone remember
Message-ID: <6C3C1FAC-3670-4238-9F37-9CE875E5B99B@btinternet.com>

From time to time we remember personalities we met whilst we were working at the BBC. One who came to mind recently was Ronnie Noble. I was working on Apollo 11 with Presentation Department and thought he was rather bluff and grumpy. Looking at his wartime photo he seems to be fun. Perhaps the war changed him. 


You can see him on this film called ?Cameramen at war". https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060006331 <https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/1060006331>

Ronnie Noble began his career in the camera department of National Screen Services. In 1939 Noble became a cameraman with Universal News. He was taken prisoner June 1942 and transported to Italy, he walked out of his prison camp when Italy capitulated in September 1943. He then travelled to Switzerland. From here he went to France,  Noble?s escape and return were featured in ?ADVENTURES OF A CAMERAMAN? in Universal News of October 1944. Noble was sent to Burma, and then to Saigon, For Universal News October 1945 he was sent to Burma, and then to Saigon,.
In January 1950 Noble went to  BBC Children?s Newsreel. In 1952 transferred to the main BBC Television Newsreel as replacement for Cyril Page (interview 389 BEHP ) covering the Korean War. In May 1960 filmed ?THE ROYAL WEDDING? for Pathe News. Finally he went on to become press officer for Wimbledon Tennis. 

The BBCPA are setting up, with the British Library, some recordings from staff members on their experiences at the BBC. The BBC anniversaries website may trigger more memories; https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/anniversaries/september <https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/anniversaries/september> When I know more of this new initiative by the BBCPA I will let you know.


Albert
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 06:56:14 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 12:56:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset
Message-ID: <B2832CB3F2D14E2CB8E5947C133EC856@Gigabyte>

Maybe she was issued it 33years ago and they won?t give her a new ?trendy? one!
Actually can?t be that old as it has a twisty cord as opposed to a nice old cotton covered one (like my old one)

Mike

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Oct  2 07:03:10 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 13:03:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset
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Oh, I stuck a curly on mine when I was tracking/swinging Moles in 196x - 
so they could still be pretty old.

A lot of woman - and men who wear toup?es - hate the Beyers because they 
wreck hairdos.

Chris

On 02/10/2020 12:56, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> Maybe she was issued it 33years ago and they won?t give her a new 
> ?trendy? one!
> Actually can?t be that old as it has a twisty cord as opposed to a 
> nice old cotton covered one (like my old one)
> Mike
> Jenny MUrray with proper headset
>


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  2 07:18:11 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 13:18:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Rules
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Not a Gibbs Rule 34 but a Stross Rule 34. That's where I first heard of 
it, though I think it long predates his book.



B



On 02/10/2020 09:52, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote:
> Rule 34, Bernie, have you been watching too many repeats of NCIS?
>
> Dave Buckley
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct  2 08:29:18 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 14:29:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset
In-Reply-To: <B2832CB3F2D14E2CB8E5947C133EC856@Gigabyte>
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If she is in the habit of slipping them on and off frequently, the STC cans allow that much better than most.  

When it came to choosing cans to use with my SQN mixer, I tried a wide selection of cans but soon realised that Sennheiser HD25 cans were well suited to wear comfortably around my neck during all those times waiting between takes.  Some other cans were so bulky that wearing them around my neck felt more like wearing a neck brace.

Just like you should never underestimate the advantages of comfy shoes, comfy cans have a lot going for them too.

Alan Taylor



> On 2 Oct 2020, at 12:56, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Maybe she was issued it 33years ago and they won?t give her a new ?trendy? one!
> Actually can?t be that old as it has a twisty cord as opposed to a nice old cotton covered one (like my old one)
>  
> Mike
>  
> <Jenny%20MUrray%20with%20proper%20headset[1].jpg>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  2 08:51:39 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 14:51:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset
In-Reply-To: <B2832CB3F2D14E2CB8E5947C133EC856@Gigabyte>
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In article <B2832CB3F2D14E2CB8E5947C133EC856 at Gigabyte>,
   Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Maybe she was issued it 33years ago and they won=91t give her a new
> =94trendy=95 one! Actually can=91t be that old as it has a twisty cord as
> opposed to a nice old cotton covered one (like my old one)

I got mine changed to a springy one by sound maintenance. In the early 60s.

ISTR John Humphries preferred them to newer types too?


    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct  2 09:52:37 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 15:52:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset
In-Reply-To: <482D90A4-F7AC-4717-B2C7-DDA515AC6E45@me.com>
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When I was building my sound kit, I also went for Sennheiser HD25?s.
My two sets have now virtually come to the end of life, so have bought a new set, very recently. Spare parts are readily available, which is useful.
I preferred the HD25 as the bass response was good, one could listen for the rumble of the spark?s genny.
A features Production mixer I worked with liked to use the Beyer DT48 which I hated. Very heavy and not good in the lower frequencies. He reckoned that they most resembled what he heard in Theatre 7 at Pinewood, but I remained unconvinced.
On a working trip to Iceland, I bought my mum a very soft and warm woolly hat, knitted from the local sheep?s wool. When she passed away, I won it back as it was stretchy enough to fit over my head when wearing the HD25?s!
Pat
(On leaving the BBC, one was forced into returning the issued STC cans, but did they really think we wanted to keep them?)

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 02 October 2020 14:29
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset


When it came to choosing cans to use with my SQN mixer, I tried a wide selection of cans but soon realised that Sennheiser HD25 cans were well suited to wear comfortably around my neck during all those times waiting between takes. ?Some other cans were so bulky that wearing them around my neck felt more like wearing a neck brace.

Alan Taylor







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From relong at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  2 11:43:54 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2020 17:43:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset
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Senny HD25s are still the best for location recording imho
The rotating earpiece is invaluable for communication, they are fairly indestructible and offer good isolation and SQ.
For true fidelity open back HD800s are the bees knees, but they are impracticable for isolation in the venue.
I carry both.
Sennheiser UK did an Anniversary HD25II recently for about 90 quid, a bargain.
I hated all BBC issue cans, mostly AKGs though did like the K50 circa 1968, through which I heard Pinball Wizard by the WHO, a Marvel of pan potting.
I recently sold a pair of DT 48s for 60 quid , I disliked those intensely, difficult to maintain and dreadful SQ, good iso though.
Not as good as HD25 with velour ear pads?.

> On 2 Oct 2020, at 15:52, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> When I was building my sound kit, I also went for Sennheiser HD25?s.
> My two sets have now virtually come to the end of life, so have bought a new set, very recently. Spare parts are readily available, which is useful.
> I preferred the HD25 as the bass response was good, one could listen for the rumble of the spark?s genny.
> A features Production mixer I worked with liked to use the Beyer DT48 which I hated. Very heavy and not good in the lower frequencies. He reckoned that they most resembled what he heard in Theatre 7 at Pinewood, but I remained unconvinced.
> On a working trip to Iceland, I bought my mum a very soft and warm woolly hat, knitted from the local sheep?s wool. When she passed away, I won it back as it was stretchy enough to fit over my head when wearing the HD25?s!
> Pat
> (On leaving the BBC, one was forced into returning the issued STC cans, but did they really think we wanted to keep them?)
>  
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 02 October 2020 14:29
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] At least Jenny Murray still using an STC headset
>  
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> When it came to choosing cans to use with my SQN mixer, I tried a wide selection of cans but soon realised that Sennheiser HD25 cans were well suited to wear comfortably around my neck during all those times waiting between takes.  Some other cans were so bulky that wearing them around my neck felt more like wearing a neck brace.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  4 15:57:33 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 21:57:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
Message-ID: <40d0b2f6-bc95-f838-c54e-83e2290abbf8@btinternet.com>

I have complained to vlc many times about it's inability to play .mp4 
videos. I have tried many different versions and couldn't find a good 
one. I looked up a video player comparison website, as you do, and they 
said PotPlayer was not only free but also very competent . A month ago I 
downloaded some .mp4-4K videos (which took 22 hours each!) and vlc 
wouldn't even show a stable picture, PotPlayer played them without a 
glitch and the quality was superb! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  4 17:33:54 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 23:33:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
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But VLC does play .mp4 video.

B



On 04/10/2020 21:57, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I have complained to vlc many times about it's inability to play .mp4 
> videos. I have tried many different versions and couldn't find a good 
> one. I looked up a video player comparison website, as you do, and 
> they said PotPlayer was not only free but also very competent . A 
> month ago I downloaded some .mp4-4K videos (which took 22 hours each!) 
> and vlc wouldn't even show a stable picture, PotPlayer played them 
> without a glitch and the quality was superb! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave
>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Oct  4 17:48:44 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 23:48:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
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Message-ID: <7D086042F2D643AAA9667793A790DC2A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Does this throw any light? 
https://windowsreport.com/windows-10-cant-play-mp4/

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 9:57 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players

I have complained to vlc many times about it's inability to play .mp4
videos. I have tried many different versions and couldn't find a good
one. I looked up a video player comparison website, as you do, and they
said PotPlayer was not only free but also very competent . A month ago I
downloaded some .mp4-4K videos (which took 22 hours each!) and vlc
wouldn't even show a stable picture, PotPlayer played them without a
glitch and the quality was superb! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  4 17:58:31 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2020 23:58:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
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References: <40d0b2f6-bc95-f838-c54e-83e2290abbf8@btinternet.com>
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Thanks Bernie, but I have tried so many different editions of VLC that 
haven't worked for me? I have dumped it entirely. PotPlayer, another 
Korean player, does everything I want and has so many possible tweaks 
and adjustments to it's output it's worth a look! Cheers, Dave.

On 04/10/2020 23:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> But VLC does play .mp4 video.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 04/10/2020 21:57, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> I have complained to vlc many times about it's inability to play .mp4 
>> videos. I have tried many different versions and couldn't find a good 
>> one. I looked up a video player comparison website, as you do, and 
>> they said PotPlayer was not only free but also very competent . A 
>> month ago I downloaded some .mp4-4K videos (which took 22 hours 
>> each!) and vlc wouldn't even show a stable picture, PotPlayer played 
>> them without a glitch and the quality was superb! Nuff said! Cheers, 
>> Dave
>>
>>
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct  4 18:08:40 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 00:08:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
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Thanks, David, at least I am not the only person with the problem! 
PotPlayer comes complete with all the codecs installed so you shouldn't 
need to add any. I am very impressed with it so far, the only thing I 
haven't found, which vlc has, is a tweak for 'gamma', but there are so 
many tweaks available it might be in there somewhere! Plus, sharpness is 
either 'on' or 'off', not a sliding scale, nothing is truly perfect! 
Cheers, Dave

 ?On 04/10/2020 23:48, David Newbitt wrote:
> Does this throw any light? 
> https://windowsreport.com/windows-10-cant-play-mp4/
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 9:57 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
>
> I have complained to vlc many times about it's inability to play .mp4
> videos. I have tried many different versions and couldn't find a good
> one. I looked up a video player comparison website, as you do, and they
> said PotPlayer was not only free but also very competent . A month ago I
> downloaded some .mp4-4K videos (which took 22 hours each!) and vlc
> wouldn't even show a stable picture, PotPlayer played them without a
> glitch and the quality was superb! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave
>
>


From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Oct  5 04:42:40 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 10:42:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
Message-ID: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>

Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.

I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings. 

By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.

When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.

That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.  

Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional. 

By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.  

Alan Taylor




From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 05:12:35 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:12:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
References: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
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I remember in the bad old ACTT days. I had to show my card even though I worked for the BBC and as the Director was paid less than the sparks who actually set a light and then sat in the van all day playing cards. After, they expected a tip from me. I couldn?t believe it. Then Woods payments came in which made it a bit better.

AB


> On 5 Oct 2020, at 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
> 
> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings. 
> 
> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
> 
> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
> 
> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.  
> 
> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional. 
> 
> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.  
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 05:32:04 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 11:32:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <EBEFAD71-326A-4CFF-A2EE-E69D3AC85572@btinternet.com>
References: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
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On 05/10/2020 11:12, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> I remember in the bad old ACTT days....

When I first started at the BBC (late 60s) my annual payment was <<?1000.

In the days when ITV was expanding - mid 80s - I was asked to do some 
overnight installation work, which inevitably meant some substantial 
ACTT driven overtime rates. My pay for one night exceeded that first 
annual salary. I never had much love for the obstructionism of the ACTT 
but I did love the negotiated pay;}

Chris Woolf



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 06:06:26 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 12:06:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
In-Reply-To: <b05ad6e2-5eb9-d1ea-b4f7-5c9e9cdc83dc@btinternet.com>
References: <40d0b2f6-bc95-f838-c54e-83e2290abbf8@btinternet.com>
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Interesting......

I've never had a problem with VLC, and as you probably know, it's the 
standard application for video - it plays everything.? I run my U3A 
video production group (weekly Zooming in lockdown), and pretty much 
everything is in mp4, and the default player is VLC - for dozens if not 
hundreds of clips.

So - what could be the problem?

When you download VLC, it downloads all the codecs automatically, and 
uses ffmpeg for lots of stuff - another standard.?? This website offers 
thoughts -
https://www.easefab.com/topic-mp4/cannot-play-mp4-in-vlc-media-player.html
- but personally I've only ever downloaded VLC and not touched any of 
the advanced settings. It just works.

Maybe the computer itself? There's a free application called Speccy, 
from the CCleaner company. Maybe there would be a clue in the listing 
from that?? I've attached mine - only the first page is really relevant.

B



On 05/10/2020 00:08, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Thanks, David, at least I am not the only person with the problem! 
> PotPlayer comes complete with all the codecs installed so you 
> shouldn't need to add any. I am very impressed with it so far, the 
> only thing I haven't found, which vlc has, is a tweak for 'gamma', but 
> there are so many tweaks available it might be in there somewhere! 
> Plus, sharpness is either 'on' or 'off', not a sliding scale, nothing 
> is truly perfect! Cheers, Dave
>
> ?On 04/10/2020 23:48, David Newbitt wrote:
>> Does this throw any light? 
>> https://windowsreport.com/windows-10-cant-play-mp4/
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
>> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 9:57 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] .mp4 players
>>
>> I have complained to vlc many times about it's inability to play .mp4
>> videos. I have tried many different versions and couldn't find a good
>> one. I looked up a video player comparison website, as you do, and they
>> said PotPlayer was not only free but also very competent . A month ago I
>> downloaded some .mp4-4K videos (which took 22 hours each!) and vlc
>> wouldn't even show a stable picture, PotPlayer played them without a
>> glitch and the quality was superb! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
>

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 06:13:36 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 12:13:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <EBEFAD71-326A-4CFF-A2EE-E69D3AC85572@btinternet.com>
References: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
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More to do with BBC rates than unions.

Had you been a director in ITV under ACTT rates, you'd not have been paid
less than the sparks. Sparks come under ETU rates, and same as in all
trades, not all of them are paid the same.

It might also make sense to pay a gaffer working on a Bond film rather
more per hour than a director working on a minor TV show? 


In article <EBEFAD71-326A-4CFF-A2EE-E69D3AC85572 at btinternet.com>,
   Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I remember in the bad old ACTT days. I had to show my card even though I
> worked for the BBC and as the Director was paid less than the sparks who
> actually set a light and then sat in the van all day playing cards.
> After, they expected a tip from me. I couldn?t believe it. Then Woods
> payments came in which made it a bit better.

-- 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 06:18:18 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 12:18:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <0e65796d-401e-8145-a87b-ca480751d7fe@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
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Message-ID: <58baa5cbb7davesound@btinternet.com>

The penalty payment overtime rates in ITV etc were meant to prevent
excessive overtime. And to provide proper breaks between shifts. To go on
to massive penalty payments meant working silly hours with inadequate
breaks.


In article <0e65796d-401e-8145-a87b-ca480751d7fe at chriswoolf.co.uk>,
   Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> On 05/10/2020 11:12, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> > I remember in the bad old ACTT days....

> When I first started at the BBC (late 60s) my annual payment was <<?1000.

> In the days when ITV was expanding - mid 80s - I was asked to do some 
> overnight installation work, which inevitably meant some substantial 
> ACTT driven overtime rates. My pay for one night exceeded that first 
> annual salary. I never had much love for the obstructionism of the ACTT 
> but I did love the negotiated pay;}

> Chris Woolf

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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 09:18:36 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 15:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <EBEFAD71-326A-4CFF-A2EE-E69D3AC85572@btinternet.com>
References: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
	<EBEFAD71-326A-4CFF-A2EE-E69D3AC85572@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4Dbx=uUbMN+QeR2_bZJNBq5KgZuFjjiCaYumjLnjmML4Q@mail.gmail.com>

A totally useless bit of information no doubt mis-rememered from my rabble
rousing days -  the Woods payment came about as a result of the long 1974
P.A.'s strike (P.A.s were in those days what you would now call Production
Managers). It ended in arbitration which awarded the extra payments to
people on days conditions (or was it still then known as M.P.
conditions?). They
conveniently hooked some acronym on 'Woods' like Work On Off Duty (days)
but they were really called Woods because the chairman of the arbitration
hearing was a Professor Woods.
Bill J

On Mon, 5 Oct 2020, 11:13 Albert Barber via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I remember in the bad old ACTT days. I had to show my card even though I
> worked for the BBC and as the Director was paid less than the sparks who
> actually set a light and then sat in the van all day playing cards. After,
> they expected a tip from me. I couldn?t believe it. Then Woods payments
> came in which made it a bit better.
>
> AB
>
>
> > On 5 Oct 2020, at 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid
> cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the
> maximum which the system could handle.
> >
> > I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the
> Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors,
> principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared
> between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news
> didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.
> So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called
> Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose
> chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned
> tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
> >
> > By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid
> numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be
> mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted
> overtime payments.
> >
> > When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those
> six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process
> them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could
> handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime
> payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had
> any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our
> payments by hand.
> >
> > That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and
> for cash too.
> >
> > Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like
> that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions
> while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn
> substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over
> ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
> >
> > By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the
> BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify
> for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard
> work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50.
> Incandescent might be a better word.
> >
> > Alan Taylor
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 10:21:49 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 16:21:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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One reason I left the BBC.

I regularly worked on Des O'Connor recorded at TVT on a Sunday. The
recording always started late - very late. And we then over-ran by the
same time. No real option to refuse. As as some wag put it, we barely got
paid the price of the pint we missed because the pubs had closed.

The very idea of paying someone less per hour for overtime (and in
practice compulsory overtime) was just ridiculous. Perhaps fine if you
were already highly paid, but many crew members at that time weren't.
Plenty were struggling to just pay their bills.

My view then was the BBC couldn't care less about their staff. More
worried about keeping in with the government of the time.         


BTW, not long after I moved to Thames, so did Des. No nonsense there about
starting late. I'd guess he was told in no uncertain terms that if he
wanted to start late, he could foot the overtime bill. Which at 1.5T would
have been considerable.

I still have very fond memories of working at the BBC. Due to the people I
worked with and enjoying the work in the main, but not senior management.

In article
<CAE6tP4Dbx=uUbMN+QeR2_bZJNBq5KgZuFjjiCaYumjLnjmML4Q at mail.gmail.com>,
   Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> A totally useless bit of information no doubt mis-rememered from my rabble
> rousing days -  the Woods payment came about as a result of the long 1974
> P.A.'s strike (P.A.s were in those days what you would now call Production
> Managers). It ended in arbitration which awarded the extra payments to
> people on days conditions (or was it still then known as M.P.
> conditions?). They
> conveniently hooked some acronym on 'Woods' like Work On Off Duty (days)
> but they were really called Woods because the chairman of the arbitration
> hearing was a Professor Woods.
> Bill J

> On Mon, 5 Oct 2020, 11:13 Albert Barber via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:

> > I remember in the bad old ACTT days. I had to show my card even though I
> > worked for the BBC and as the Director was paid less than the sparks who
> > actually set a light and then sat in the van all day playing cards. After,
> > they expected a tip from me. I couldn?t believe it. Then Woods payments
> > came in which made it a bit better.
> >
> > AB
> >
> >
> > > On 5 Oct 2020, at 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid
> > cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the
> > maximum which the system could handle.
> > >
> > > I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the
> > Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors,
> > principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared
> > between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news
> > didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.
> > So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called
> > Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose
> > chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned
> > tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
> > >
> > > By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid
> > numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be
> > mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted
> > overtime payments.
> > >
> > > When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those
> > six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process
> > them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could
> > handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime
> > payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had
> > any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our
> > payments by hand.
> > >
> > > That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and
> > for cash too.
> > >
> > > Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like
> > that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions
> > while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn
> > substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over
> > ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
> > >
> > > By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the
> > BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify
> > for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard
> > work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50.
> > Incandescent might be a better word.
> > >
> > > Alan Taylor
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> >
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 11:06:25 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:06:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
References: <F42DC787-4F9B-40C9-931F-ECBE6989F7AC@me.com>
Message-ID: <16FE62CA-0EAE-4FBE-A191-F21EF993D1AB@btinternet.com>

Hi Alan,
	Your EM got ?50?luxury! I was given 4 days notice to go to Helsinki as Resource Coordinator for the 1999 World Skating Championships as the usual suspect preferred to go to Ireland for the horse racing.
I did 8 days totalling 92 hours and as it was at the end of one week and across another I didn?t get any Woods payments. I was on the end credits as EM. I looked after the sound, all the comms, a VT guy, satellite play-outs, the cameraman, and all the kit. Back in TVC I had the audacity to ask for some financial compensation as I thought this was a little bit more than the job of a Sound Supervisor.
 I received the princely sum of ?25 and my manager was surprised at my fairly blunt reaction!! Barabara Slater was the producer who?s now director of BBC Sport on a measly ?224,000! ;-)
	
	Barry.



On 5 Oct 2020, at 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
> 
> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings. 
> 
> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
> 
> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
> 
> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.  
> 
> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional. 
> 
> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.  
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 11:49:11 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:49:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <16FE62CA-0EAE-4FBE-A191-F21EF993D1AB@btinternet.com>
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For reasons unknown we in Film Department were Day Workers.
Everything out side 0930-1730 was overtime.
We loved Dixon , Z-Cars and Softly for 3 weeks of nighters?
Not that OT was generous, first 5 h @ t  x 1.25 then t x 1.5 but it certainly helped those long February nights in Acton or in a sand pit.
Kinsey did a time and motion on us, and decided it was the most efficient system.
Penalty payments were always a creative bonus.
My final 3 weeks before enforced redundancy in 92, were chaotic , we were off the payroll and computer.
A rush project to fill a BBC2 slot was scheduled.
It was about Magnum the photo agency and fronted by Charles Glass a noted US journo.
I used my kit and a BBC Sierra estate.
They couldn?t pay me through the system so I had to submit a Freelance invoice for me ,overtime, my kit and the car.
Its your BBC as Wogan used to say.

> On 5 Oct 2020, at 17:06, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 	Your EM got ?50?luxury! I was given 4 days notice to go to Helsinki as Resource Coordinator for the 1999 World Skating Championships as the usual suspect preferred to go to Ireland for the horse racing.
> I did 8 days totalling 92 hours and as it was at the end of one week and across another I didn?t get any Woods payments. I was on the end credits as EM. I looked after the sound, all the comms, a VT guy, satellite play-outs, the cameraman, and all the kit. Back in TVC I had the audacity to ask for some financial compensation as I thought this was a little bit more than the job of a Sound Supervisor.
>  I received the princely sum of ?25 and my manager was surprised at my fairly blunt reaction!! Barabara Slater was the producer who?s now director of BBC Sport on a measly ?224,000! ;-)
> 	
> 	Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> On 5 Oct 2020, at 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>> 
>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings. 
>> 
>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>> 
>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>> 
>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.  
>> 
>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional. 
>> 
>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.  
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  5 11:53:20 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 17:53:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big Numbers
Message-ID: <59df3274-f16d-dd46-f310-eece2b126d36@gmail.com>

Long Hours for little financial reward was not just a prerogative of 
working for the BBC.

After I had moved into the IT industry, from 1990 to 1995 I was working 
for Paul Whitehouse (the MD) in a company called "Network Managers".? It 
was at the forefront of building the Internet: we provided software that 
remotely set up routers and hubs and generally managed a user's 
network.? Eight of us had put in money to found the company: mine was a 
redundancy payment, two others remortgaged their houses, so you could 
say in a sense that we were working for ourselves.

We worked silly hours. I could arrive at the office at 7 in the morning 
to find someone just leaving...

One particular week, I started at 07:00 on the Monday morning.? I worked 
all Monday, all through the night, and all through Tuesday until gone 
19:00 in the evening.? There then followed Wednesday, Thursday and 
Friday, each being a 16 hour day.? And I took work home, so on the 
Saturday and Sunday, again two long days,? I was writing the Quick Tour 
Guide for the product... by Sunday evening my hands were shaking....

Twice during those 5 years Paul took the two guys who'd mortgaged their 
homes out to the car park and confessed that he had no idea as to how he 
was going to meet the payroll that month - but he always did!? Working 
for Network Managers was an absolute blast: we just did "stuff". I had 
multiple jobs (if you were to hand out job titles like Production 
Manager, Quality Manager, Technical Author ....)...It was getting close 
to the day scheduled for a release of the software, so I went to the 
team lead and asked him if he had written the installation software for 
the product.? The blank look told me everything... someone had to do it, 
so that was down to me.? And in C, too ("C" has been called the lowest 
level high-level language.? The main coding manual is a slim volume - 
mainly because it omits much of what you need to know)....Yes, it was 
all done in time.


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Alec

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 14:07:22 2020
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 20:07:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
Message-ID: <5cae1f51-b5f9-7882-97d1-aaa2dd5af335@howell61.f9.co.uk>

Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous quarter 
second or missing the next?

The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.

On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay" 
became? "o-o".?? There were several

more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening titles. What 
is gonig on??

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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Oct  5 14:20:47 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 20:20:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Talk of Woods payments reminds me of good old Mike Jones, former Sound Supervisor at TVC, who become a manager with a job title which escapes me. He remained a little too sympathetic to the troops for the more senior management?s liking and curried great disfavour with them when he authorised our Woods payments to be tripled after one of the overseas events ~ possibly the Mexico World Cup, which spawned that great quote from the Mexican Director of Communications, or some such title ~ after the first match, when the likes of Brazil never got their commentary feed, amidst a myriad other problems, he said ?We never realised so many people would want to speak at once!? We got our feeds because Dave Warton from ICR had wheedled his way into the confidence of the Central Control Room staff and went up to ensure that our stuff was plugged up in good time.

After the first match, we thought the second should be better, because it should have been just a matter of moving everything that had eventually been plugged up for the first match, in order, to the second set of circuits ~ but no ~ nothing came up on the jackfields in the same order from one venue to another, so further chaos ensued, but by then, Dave?s electronic accreditation card had been limited so that he couldn?t let himself into CCR. The host broadcaster said that it was interference by interlopers that had caused the problems in the first place, so all non-host accreditation to CCR was removed ~ quite a clever system for its day ~ pity the broadcast chain didn?t match its sophistication! Hibou will correct me if I?ve misremembered details. 

Mike G

> On 5 Oct 2020, at 17:49, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> For reasons unknown we in Film Department were Day Workers.
> Everything out side 0930-1730 was overtime.
> We loved Dixon , Z-Cars and Softly for 3 weeks of nighters?
> Not that OT was generous, first 5 h @ t  x 1.25 then t x 1.5 but it certainly helped those long February nights in Acton or in a sand pit.
> Kinsey did a time and motion on us, and decided it was the most efficient system.
> Penalty payments were always a creative bonus.
> My final 3 weeks before enforced redundancy in 92, were chaotic , we were off the payroll and computer.
> A rush project to fill a BBC2 slot was scheduled.
> It was about Magnum the photo agency and fronted by Charles Glass a noted US journo.
> I used my kit and a BBC Sierra estate.
> They couldn?t pay me through the system so I had to submit a Freelance invoice for me ,overtime, my kit and the car.
> Its your BBC as Wogan used to say.
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 17:06, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alan,
>> 	Your EM got ?50?luxury! I was given 4 days notice to go to Helsinki as Resource Coordinator for the 1999 World Skating Championships as the usual suspect preferred to go to Ireland for the horse racing.
>> I did 8 days totalling 92 hours and as it was at the end of one week and across another I didn?t get any Woods payments. I was on the end credits as EM. I looked after the sound, all the comms, a VT guy, satellite play-outs, the cameraman, and all the kit. Back in TVC I had the audacity to ask for some financial compensation as I thought this was a little bit more than the job of a Sound Supervisor.
>>  I received the princely sum of ?25 and my manager was surprised at my fairly blunt reaction!! Barabara Slater was the producer who?s now director of BBC Sport on a measly ?224,000! ;-)
>> 	
>> 	Barry.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>> 
>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings. 
>>> 
>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>> 
>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>> 
>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.  
>>> 
>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional. 
>>> 
>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.  
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Oct  5 15:07:04 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 21:07:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Oct  5 16:34:46 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 22:34:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told 
me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented 
you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave

On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>
> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>
> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>
> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>
> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>
> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>
> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>


From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Oct  5 17:49:31 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2020 23:49:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.

As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??

Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 

The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  

Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.

The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 

It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 

Alan Taylor



> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
> 
>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>> 
>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>> 
>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>> 
>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>> 
>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>> 
>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>> 
>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 


From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 01:20:08 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 07:20:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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I don?t remember that last detail Alan, but it was the case that if ever anything went wrong, as always happens, the Russian staff with us in the studio were fearful of being sent to Siberia - we had to go great lengths to persuade individuals that we would not be complaining about them - some were really very helpful. 

Which event was it where John Tidy, the graphics guru, produced very realistic copies of the official car passes which apparently worked a treat - i think Jim Reside was the executive producer?

Mike G

> On 5 Oct 2020, at 23:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.
> 
> As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??
> 
> Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 
> 
> The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  
> 
> Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.
> 
> The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 
> 
> It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>>>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>> 
>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>>> 
>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>> 
>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>> 
>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>>> 
>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>>> 
>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
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From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  6 03:53:37 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 09:53:37 +0100
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In 1991 we took Enoch Powell to Moscow for his personal view of the collapse of Communism.
We started in St Petersburg and followed a police station in the city, they gave us unprecedented  access to every aspect of their dominion.
They had no idea of the limits of democracy, they were institutionalised.
We filmed the Hermitage and again no limits.
We boarded the train to Moscow , and after a panicky exit from the train with 30 pieces of kit and a 2 minute time frame we checked in at the Ukraina the huge skyscraper Hotel (modled on the Empire State Building).
Food was in short supply , and we often overshot lunch, we could only officially eat at the Press Club or the Hotel.
We were reduced to scavenging tables for morsels?.
On one occasion we had a lunch on time but were forced to leave our meal due to time restrictions on entering the Kremlin and Duma (Parliament).
Our resourceful spark took a silver salver with a lid from the table and loaded it with goodies.
This he carried through security to the huge Duma building, saying The BBC always took roast beef on a job.
He was not challenged.
Our producer wanted Enoch to do a PTC in the Duma, whilst seated with the representative, he refused saying it would never happen in the House of Commons.
Enoch spoke no Russian , but communicated in broken Latin, which worked to a degree.
We interviewed Yeltsin in a park opposite the Ukraina, he was drunk..
Also Gorbachev , who was not.
We filmed at State TV and the Moscow TV tower, both strangely BBC like
People were bewildered at change, especially at our Hotel, I wandered into a top floor huge room full of tape machines (Revoxs) that were bugging en masse, made my excuse and left with no action.
At the same time of our visit they was a World Conference of Disabled Communists, at Night the huge lifts were full of Deaf and Dumb, some trying to communicate with the Finnish prostitutes that inhabited the Lifts.
A quite Baroque experience all round, we were all knackered when we got back home.

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I don?t remember that last detail Alan, but it was the case that if ever anything went wrong, as always happens, the Russian staff with us in the studio were fearful of being sent to Siberia - we had to go great lengths to persuade individuals that we would not be complaining about them - some were really very helpful. 
> 
> Which event was it where John Tidy, the graphics guru, produced very realistic copies of the official car passes which apparently worked a treat - i think Jim Reside was the executive producer?
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 23:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.
>> 
>> As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??
>> 
>> Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 
>> 
>> The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  
>> 
>> Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.
>> 
>> The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 
>> 
>> It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>>>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>>> 
>>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>>>> 
>>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>>> 
>>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>>> 
>>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>>>> 
>>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>>>> 
>>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  6 04:06:56 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 10:06:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Hi Mike,
	It was the 1992 Winter Olympics in Albertville where John Tidy produced our car pass to get us into the IBC in Moutiers. The colour was blue and described to John over the phone from Albertville using a bit of a picture in the official programme! If you remember we drove very gingerly into the IBC the first time we used it with no problem. You of course preferred driving the ?bus?!
Barry.



On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I don?t remember that last detail Alan, but it was the case that if ever anything went wrong, as always happens, the Russian staff with us in the studio were fearful of being sent to Siberia - we had to go great lengths to persuade individuals that we would not be complaining about them - some were really very helpful. 
> 
> Which event was it where John Tidy, the graphics guru, produced very realistic copies of the official car passes which apparently worked a treat - i think Jim Reside was the executive producer?
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 23:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.
>> 
>> As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??
>> 
>> Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 
>> 
>> The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  
>> 
>> Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.
>> 
>> The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 
>> 
>> It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>>>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>>> 
>>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>>>> 
>>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>>> 
>>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>>> 
>>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>>>> 
>>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>>>> 
>>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 10:33:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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When I was in China I passed a top floor hotel room full of cameras and tape machines. Funny security I thought!
AB


> On 6 Oct 2020, at 10:06, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 	It was the 1992 Winter Olympics in Albertville where John Tidy produced our car pass to get us into the IBC in Moutiers. The colour was blue and described to John over the phone from Albertville using a bit of a picture in the official programme! If you remember we drove very gingerly into the IBC the first time we used it with no problem. You of course preferred driving the ?bus?!
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>> I don?t remember that last detail Alan, but it was the case that if ever anything went wrong, as always happens, the Russian staff with us in the studio were fearful of being sent to Siberia - we had to go great lengths to persuade individuals that we would not be complaining about them - some were really very helpful. 
>> 
>> Which event was it where John Tidy, the graphics guru, produced very realistic copies of the official car passes which apparently worked a treat - i think Jim Reside was the executive producer?
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 23:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.
>>> 
>>> As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??
>>> 
>>> Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 
>>> 
>>> The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  
>>> 
>>> Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.
>>> 
>>> The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 
>>> 
>>> It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 05:36:57 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 11:36:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Yes, of course. As usual your memory is impeccable, Barry!

You had a preference for walking in a driving blizzard and deep snow with no leggings, although Tony Bate was fully equipped, I recall, whilst annoying people at the warm and cosy IBC kept ringing your mobile to ask how you were getting on, making you take your gloves off to dig the phone out of your pocket! Very poor show that a brand new vehicle should break down so catastrophically ~ I blame the driver myself! Am I right in remembering that you found shelter in a nunnery? Rainbows come to mind.

Mike G


> On 6 Oct 2020, at 10:06, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike,
> 	It was the 1992 Winter Olympics in Albertville where John Tidy produced our car pass to get us into the IBC in Moutiers. The colour was blue and described to John over the phone from Albertville using a bit of a picture in the official programme! If you remember we drove very gingerly into the IBC the first time we used it with no problem. You of course preferred driving the ?bus?!
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>> I don?t remember that last detail Alan, but it was the case that if ever anything went wrong, as always happens, the Russian staff with us in the studio were fearful of being sent to Siberia - we had to go great lengths to persuade individuals that we would not be complaining about them - some were really very helpful. 
>> 
>> Which event was it where John Tidy, the graphics guru, produced very realistic copies of the official car passes which apparently worked a treat - i think Jim Reside was the executive producer?
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 23:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.
>>> 
>>> As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??
>>> 
>>> Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 
>>> 
>>> The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  
>>> 
>>> Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.
>>> 
>>> The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 
>>> 
>>> It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct  6 06:06:49 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 12:06:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Reference folks being helpful:
I?ve never been to Russia, but had several trips into East Germany, before and after the wall came down. One such was a profile of Katarina Witt, the figure skater. One sequence was to film her addressing the East German Parliament. A neat patch panel to supply a feed from the lectern mics was built under a set of auditorium steps, ideal for our camera position. Trouble was the sockets were all Tuchel! The local PA chap arrived: ?You would like XLR, yes?? He produced an adaptor tail, and promised to send tone at zero level. I plugged in and set the knob to my usual expected place for line input. Blow me, tone came up at exactly PPM4!
There is an unfortunate sequel to this tale. The next day, I was checking the tape of the Parliament footage, we used BVU ? separate recorder, then, when we got the hurry-up to move to a different viewpoint for general shots of her city (Karl Marx Stadt). Into the vehicle and off ? setting up a shot, unfortunately the recorder could be started by the camera, and after capturing the long slow pan over the town: ?Let?s see that back? After that shot, the Parliament footage played ? I realised with horrible dread that I had not had time to re-set the tape to the end of the previous day?s takes. ARRRRGGGGHH! There was enough left for the editors to run a bit ? for a flavour, though, and the NBC director was incredibly understanding.
Think this was before the wall came down as we returned much later to shoot a follow-up profile, where she was able to view the secret files that the Stasi had on her. The warehouse staff were not happy with us seeing these, but we explained that we did not read or understand German! It was spooky, just like an Ipcress File story ? long lens surveillance of her out with boyfriends etc, very badly taken, however!

Lots more stories ? watch this space!!
Pat
(I think that our job was one of the most interesting, fascinating occupations that we could wish for!)

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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Tue Oct  6 06:17:55 2020
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 12:17:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem exists with London. 
I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
be right next time.

The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors.

Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is planned.
With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is done there.
Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.

Best


Peter Neill





> On 5 Oct 2020, at 21:07, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Its a poor system for putting the local news in. Jumps back when they switch them selves in and forward as they switch out. Prog levels match ,timing does not!
> 
> Paul Thackray
> 
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
> 
> 07802 243979
> 
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
> 
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk/>
> 
> Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746>
> 
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/>
> 
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 5 October 2020 20:07
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Reply to: j at howell61.f9.co.uk <mailto:j at howell61.f9.co.uk>
> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
> 
> Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous quarter second or missing the next?
> 
> The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.
> 
> On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay" became  "o-o".   There were several
> 
> more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening titles. What is gonig on??
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  6 06:36:38 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 12:36:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BT hubs
Message-ID: <3612D742-81F6-4DE3-B660-AE5D3DE9F04D@btinternet.com>

Experiencing problems with some remote devices joining the network with a new hub?  (Fibre or BT hub 2)  
I think this may be helpful and solve the problem


https://www.bt.com/help/broadband/learn-about-broadband/how-do-i-set-up-port-forwarding-on-my-bt-hub- <https://www.bt.com/help/broadband/learn-about-broadband/how-do-i-set-up-port-forwarding-on-my-bt-hub->

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct  6 06:38:21 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 12:38:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Roger Long wrote:

People were bewildered at change, especially at our Hotel, I wandered into a top floor huge room full of tape machines (Revoxs) that were bugging en masse.

This does remind me of a gag that I pulled on the camera boys.
A twelve week location in Amsterdam for ?Puppet on a Chain?.
The unit took over a complete floor of a comfortable hotel, the suite at the end was the production office, and a room at the other end was stripped of furniture, replaced by trestle tables for cleaning & storing both camera and sound kit, including a 3-phase supply for the Westrex 35mm magnetic recorder, as I was transferring the Nagra rushes for the editor ? his cutting room also installed on that floor.
There was a need to record some wildtrack dialogue. The stillsman?s room was deemed to be quietest, so I ran a long cable and set up the mic in his room. Checking on a monitor speaker, the camera boys could hear movement in the room, and asked me what that was. I explained that I had bugged all the rooms, and was listening in! The look on their faces as they tried to remember what they might have got up to, was priceless!

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From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 12:44:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] New BT hubs
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Oct  6 07:36:58 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 13:36:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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A few Moscow stories ...

During the opening ceremony for the Moscow Olympics, Gorbachev, who was often rumoured to be rather frail at that time,  viewed the occasion from a sort of concrete bunker where he couldn?t really be seen by the rest of the crowd and certainly not by foreign TV crews.  From time to time a shot would appear in the stadium on the big screens of him applauding. The odd thing was that although it got dark in the stadium, it was always still daylight when he applauded.

It was widely rumoured that Levi jeans could be sold for huge profits on the black market.  In order to prevent this, the a Russians made copies of Levi jeans and effectively flooded the market with them.  The only problem was that they seemed to make exact copies of jeans originally made from stretch denim, but used a very tough Russian denim material instead.  As a result, you could spot those wearing the Russian Levis because that had a strange way of walking.  Imagine John Wayne walking out of the bar after having been kicked in the place where a gentleman would prefer not to be kicked.

I asked our interpreter for a suggestion for a gift to take home to my wife, something typically Russian and which would be appreciated.  His reply ... ?You can?t go wrong with tinned carrots?.    I initially assumed he misunderstood me or was answering a different question, but he really meant it.

Prior to the athletes arriving in Moscow, we shot lots of scene setting stories out and about in Moscow.  One lunch time we found ourselves in a wooden hut rather like a London cabbie refreshment shelter.  Our interpreter left us for a few minutes, presumably to telephone his superiors about our plans for the afternoon, which he did multiple times every day. We saw some wine bottles on the shelf and ordered one using our finest miming skills.  It wasn't ordinary wine, it was a fortified wine something like Port.  It turned out to be quite a jolly afternoon after we polished that off. 

On those rare occasions when we didn?t have an interpreter breathing down our necks, asking the cost of something was tricky. For those who have visited places like China, the standard technique these days is to tap the numbers into a calculator and show you the number.  In 1980, digital calculators were a rarity in Russia, so they would produce an abacus, whizz beads one way or the other and present it to you to make it crystal clear.  It?s hard to know what the beads represent if you don?t know the conventions for where the decimal point is presumed to be and whether the beads on the left or the right are the ones that matter.  

When I arrived in Moscow, maybe three weeks or so before the games started, the first thing to do was to get some Roubles.  They couldn?t be sourced in foreign countries at that time and you had to exchange hard currency for them.  The guy in the exchange booth had been learning to speak English and relished the opportunity to practice his conversational skills with a real Englishman.  ?Have you just flown in from London?  How long did it take!?.  I told him three hours. He proudly replied ?In Moscow I can get on a plane, fly for four hours and still be in Russia.?  I replied ?In England we have jet airliners.?  Suffice it to say that the Russian sense of humour is different to mine.

Alan Taylor


> On 6 Oct 2020, at 09:53, Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In 1991 we took Enoch Powell to Moscow for his personal view of the collapse of Communism.
> We started in St Petersburg and followed a police station in the city, they gave us unprecedented  access to every aspect of their dominion.
> They had no idea of the limits of democracy, they were institutionalised.
> We filmed the Hermitage and again no limits.
> We boarded the train to Moscow , and after a panicky exit from the train with 30 pieces of kit and a 2 minute time frame we checked in at the Ukraina the huge skyscraper Hotel (modled on the Empire State Building).
> Food was in short supply , and we often overshot lunch, we could only officially eat at the Press Club or the Hotel.
> We were reduced to scavenging tables for morsels?.
> On one occasion we had a lunch on time but were forced to leave our meal due to time restrictions on entering the Kremlin and Duma (Parliament).
> Our resourceful spark took a silver salver with a lid from the table and loaded it with goodies.
> This he carried through security to the huge Duma building, saying The BBC always took roast beef on a job.
> He was not challenged.
> Our producer wanted Enoch to do a PTC in the Duma, whilst seated with the representative, he refused saying it would never happen in the House of Commons.
> Enoch spoke no Russian , but communicated in broken Latin, which worked to a degree.
> We interviewed Yeltsin in a park opposite the Ukraina, he was drunk..
> Also Gorbachev , who was not.
> We filmed at State TV and the Moscow TV tower, both strangely BBC like
> People were bewildered at change, especially at our Hotel, I wandered into a top floor huge room full of tape machines (Revoxs) that were bugging en masse, made my excuse and left with no action.
> At the same time of our visit they was a World Conference of Disabled Communists, at Night the huge lifts were full of Deaf and Dumb, some trying to communicate with the Finnish prostitutes that inhabited the Lifts.
> A quite Baroque experience all round, we were all knackered when we got back home.
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I don?t remember that last detail Alan, but it was the case that if ever anything went wrong, as always happens, the Russian staff with us in the studio were fearful of being sent to Siberia - we had to go great lengths to persuade individuals that we would not be complaining about them - some were really very helpful. 
>> 
>> Which event was it where John Tidy, the graphics guru, produced very realistic copies of the official car passes which apparently worked a treat - i think Jim Reside was the executive producer?
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 23:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.
>>> 
>>> As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??
>>> 
>>> Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 
>>> 
>>> The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  
>>> 
>>> Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.
>>> 
>>> The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 
>>> 
>>> It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>>>>> 
>>>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Oct  6 08:37:25 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:37:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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Takes me back to my days in London Switching Centre where regional inserts from London were sent up the distribution network. Us lowly engineers had control over the opt-out key.
The opt-out was always supposed to end 30seconds before the opt-back time and we still sat with hand on the (nice old Kellogg) key in case the regional contribution overran.
Of course it got more complicated when 2 regions wanted different feeds consecutively.
Opt-out done, off to supper in BH Canteen (or club?) or stayed there to allow the other person on shift to go off early!

Mike

From: Peter Neill via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:17 PM
To: Tech Ops List 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not

Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem exists with London. 
I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
be right next time.

The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors.

Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is planned.
With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is done there.
Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.

Best


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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Oct  6 09:13:06 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:13:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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I won?t, but ?I could bore you all for months with my Russian adventures. 
Some snippets:

My first time in Moscow was early 1981, for nearly a month. We too, stayed in the rather depressing looking Ukraine Hotel, so that immediately brings back memories! Eat at the official dinner time or not at all, and as most evenings we were filming concerts in the Bolshoi, Kremlin Concert Hall and other fabulous places, that did mean we literally didn?t eat properly some days. You couldn?t just walk into a restaurant or a McDonalds! Martin, my sound assistant was a type one diabetic, a detail that he hadn?t mentioned to Production or me, so straight away, that and the jab-kit he carried was a recipe for potential problems. I spent a lot of time looking after his interests. But it was an unforgettable and fruitful trip in every respect. Martin was a valuable source of musical knowledge and immense enthusiasm that kept all of us in good spirits. I had to fight the ACTT hard to get him onboard rather than some random unemployed member with no interest in the subject. A sizeable chunk of my earnings had to go into Union funds in order to make it happen, and in time, Production were very supportive too, and helped him get full membership of ACTT?s scandalously closed shop. Sadly, Martin is no longer with us and he died far too young.
My next time in Moscow was about ten years later, and one of our interview locations was the Moscow Central Lenin Stadium, which was by then, in a state of major neglect and decay. A sad sight indeed.

Then followed nearly two decades of frequent CBS 60 Minutes visits to Moscow and St Petersburg on a wide variety of topics, ranging from Presidential interviews to missing briefcases (don?t ask!). CBS News has a Moscow Bureau, and at that time, a ?fixer?, a wonderful character who openly declared herself to be an ex-KGB senior official. You knew immediately that she wasn?t exaggerating. Olga (not her real name) could get us into (or out of) absolutely anywhere, no questions asked! Guards and officials used to back away when she flashed her ID card. We always flew BA Business for 60 Minutes, and ?Olga? would meet us airside and escort us through the VIP route, with no customs checks, nothing. We often had more trouble clearing through customs on returning to Heathrow because we had no documents to show where we or the 100+ kilos of gear had been! (No Carnet for Russia in those days, only your own unofficial equipment list that you got stamped on the way out). With CBS the hotel was at the top end of the hotel spectrum: The Hotel Metropol, opposite the Bolshoi, and that was truly magnificent.

At one time you weren?t allowed to take radio mics or any other transmitting devices into Russia, so we used to list them in some non-specific way like ?remote? or ?distant? etc., and if asked, would show a 416 (special mic for picking up sounds a long way away, allegedly). On one ?story? we were at a military base near Moscow to do a major interview with Mikhail Gorbachev. Part of the interview was ?sit-down? with simultaneous in-ear translation, followed by some impromptu B-roll ?walk-and-talk? around the base. You should have seen three cameramen yanking out all the camera cabling and foraging for batteries to go running after them! I had Micron 700 radios on the Correspondent and Gorbachev, and at the end of the sit-down, off they went, some of the time up to 100 metres from the cameras. Although it was planned as mute B-roll, Gorbachev lapsed into good English, and some valuable stuff resulted. One of our military escorts showed surprise that the radios worked. When I said I would expect them to go that far, he said, no, he was surprised that they worked at all as the base was heavily RF shielded with jamming equipment. Not on UK Channel 69 (then) though, evidently.
And, if you can take one more: - a ?feature? shoot for ITN about the Russian Classical Composers who had been declared unpatriotic under Communism, and all of their works and filmed and recorded concerts (conducted by the actual Composers in most cases) were ordered to be destroyed. Except that they weren?t. Film tins and tapes were secretly re-labelled by the archivists with innocent titles, and carefully preserved exactly where they were, and after Perestroika, they magically reappeared. Quite a story, that! 
Apart from the 1980 hunger pangs, I can honestly say all my Russia trips are amongst my very favourite jobs I ever did. Love the place, the people, the music we filmed -classical and pop, etc., etc.

One last thought on all this: My good friend Martin Palmer took his Nikon everywhere we went and took loads of pictures of us working, travelling and relaxing. Mine went everywhere with me too, but I was generally too busy to take many pix myself, and knowing that he was, I didn?t feel the need to. It was only after he died a couple of years ago that his wife told me he had kept a box of literally hundreds (her words) of undeveloped films that she had thrown away because amongst all his clutter she didn?t know what to do with them. I should have acted sooner. I think nowadays, most of us take lots of pics on our phones and never print any of them, and unless we make a point of saving them in a form that our kids and grandchildren can access in the future, they will be lost.
Here endeth the First Lesson!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  6 09:32:06 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:32:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Not a nunnery but a youth hostel called L?Arc en Ciel (yes Rainbow, well remembered, Mike) and the young ladies there certainly weren?t nuns! Big problem with the phone was that a day earlier we?d lent it to a production member and he?d put a key code into it! So initially we?d called from the the hostel?s phone. By the time the ?Renault Assistance? (anything but..) breakdown truck arrived it was dark and still blizzarding. He took us on a frightening trip almost down the mountain and then turned back up a different road to a remote garage leaving us and the gear-less Renault Espace on the forecourt. The owner wouldn?t let us in so we stood outside for 2 hours until a taxi arrived just before we were about to die from hypothermia to take us down on what was now on a road akin to bobsleigh course back to the IBC. 

	Whole incident was 5 hours and Jim F. Reside thought it was funny!

	Barry.

 

On 6 Oct 2020, at 11:36, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:

> Yes, of course. As usual your memory is impeccable, Barry!
> 
> You had a preference for walking in a driving blizzard and deep snow with no leggings, although Tony Bate was fully equipped, I recall, whilst annoying people at the warm and cosy IBC kept ringing your mobile to ask how you were getting on, making you take your gloves off to dig the phone out of your pocket! Very poor show that a brand new vehicle should break down so catastrophically ~ I blame the driver myself! Am I right in remembering that you found shelter in a nunnery? Rainbows come to mind.
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 10:06, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mike,
>> 	It was the 1992 Winter Olympics in Albertville where John Tidy produced our car pass to get us into the IBC in Moutiers. The colour was blue and described to John over the phone from Albertville using a bit of a picture in the official programme! If you remember we drove very gingerly into the IBC the first time we used it with no problem. You of course preferred driving the ?bus?!
>> Barry.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 07:20, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> I don?t remember that last detail Alan, but it was the case that if ever anything went wrong, as always happens, the Russian staff with us in the studio were fearful of being sent to Siberia - we had to go great lengths to persuade individuals that we would not be complaining about them - some were really very helpful. 
>>> 
>>> Which event was it where John Tidy, the graphics guru, produced very realistic copies of the official car passes which apparently worked a treat - i think Jim Reside was the executive producer?
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 23:50, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?We always referred to the Russian security staff as Goons.  Every time you entered any building, the equipment had to pass through an airport style X Ray conveyer belt and they would always ask ( by miming ) that you demonstrate the equipment working in some way.
>>>> 
>>>> As I previously mentioned, the most reliable mixer available at that time was a Nagra tape recorder and the Goons always did a mime of rotating spools.  My Nagra was transported with the monitor speaker turned up and cued up with a pre recorded tape of my voice speaking in the style of an interviewer ?Why do the Goons always want to see the wheels go round??
>>>> 
>>>> Being the BBC, obviously we had a four, or occasionally five man ENG crew.  Camera, sound, engineer, E.M. and sometimes a Spark.  Quite unexpectedly Duncan Goodhew started doing very well in the swimming and we were scrambled to get there ASAP.  Our director was Bob Abraham and he was obsessed that whatever we did, we had to do it better and sooner than ITV sport. 
>>>> 
>>>> The first problem was when we got there, we were only allowed three elasticated arm band passes for the poolside and we needed six ( 4 crew, Bob Abraham and David Coleman ). Undaunted by this minor detail, Bob explained that we should keep going in and out of the venue making sure that they noticed and remembered us, but with our passes worn casually and progressively less visible.  Once they recognised us and no longer asked to see our pass, it could be handed to somebody else who would repeat the same procedure.  It was quite a slow process and Bob needed more passes quickly.  
>>>> 
>>>> Seeing an opportunity, Bob asked me if I had a razor blade for tape editing.  He then went up to ITVs presenter Jim Rosenthal, put his arm around him and greeted him as a long lost friend, while deftly slicing through the elastic of his arm band, which fell to the floor.  Bob ?accidentally? dropped his script on the floor, picked up his script, scooped up the pass with it and returned to us triumphant.
>>>> 
>>>> The way that ENG was happening in Moscow was that recorded tapes would be passed to our driver, who would speed back to the broadcast centre for transmission.  Bob discovered that ITV had engaged the services of the Russian equivalent of Hell?s Angels to rush their tapes back to the broadcast centre.  There was no way we could match that, so Bob hatched up a plan to briefly go live at the critical moment.  He asked me If I had a very long microphone cable.  It was plugged into the third microphone input in the commentary unit, which was on a balcony just above the winners podium. When Goodhew won the gold, the mic cable was thrown over the balcony, I plugged a stick mic onto it, thrust it into Coleman?s hand, who burst into the international live feed asking ?Duncan, how does it feel to win gold??  Pictures via the live world feed and sound via our commentary unit. 
>>>> 
>>>> It was a sneaky plan requiring careful timing and  a certain amount of chutzpah. It would have worked perfectly except for one tiny detail.  Nobody thought to tell the sound supervisor mixing the BBC feed in the broadcast centre to fade up the spare microphone feed. 
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 22:34, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Just to add a little extra to your Moscow memories, Trevor Wimlett told me how you wound up the KGB so much that when you left they presented you with a plastic 'wild goose'! So you won in the end! Cheers, Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 05/10/2020 10:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> Reading in the news about the debacle concerning under reported Covid cases, the explanation given is that the numbers were higher than the maximum which the system could handle.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I?m delighted to say that I experienced a similar issue after I did the Moscow Olympics in 1980.  There were a number of unusual factors, principally that we were an ENG operation which was supposed to be shared between BBC sports  and BBC news. However in order to make sure that news didn?t get a look in, we were booked almost continuously by sports dept.  So much so that one of our reporters, a lovely young lad from radio, called Des Lyneham, complained that we were spending all our time on wild goose chases.  After the Olympics, Des sent each of us a specially commissioned tie with a wild goose flying through the Olympic Rings.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By this stage you might be wondering what this has to do with Covid numbers. But before I explain, there is one more factor which needs to be mentioned,  I was one one of the highest BBC pay grades which attracted overtime payments.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When I got back to Kendal Avenue and submitted my time sheets for those six weeks in Moscow, the computer in the admin office was unable to process them as the figures exceeded the integer limit which the software could handle.  Most of the women in the office had never calculated overtime payments manually. The lovely admin manager Jackie was the only one who had any experience of doing that and she had to spend ages calculating our payments by hand.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That September was also the first time I bought a brand new car ... and for cash too.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Before anybody gets the impression that life on OBs was always like that, we really did work incredibly long  hours under arduous conditions  while we were there.  There were certainly opportunities to earn substantial overtime in the UK, especially on dramas where directors over ran their schedules, but those Olympics were truly exceptional.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By contrast, we had an Engineering Manager on our crew ( well it was the BBC ).  He worked exactly the same hours, if not more, but didn?t qualify for overtime.  The BBC felt that he too should be rewarded for such hard work.  He wasn?t particularly impressed to receive his cheque for ?50. Incandescent might be a better word.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Oct  6 09:51:59 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 15:51:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New BT hubs
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Thanks Nick.
I spent a good hour on the phone to some expert in BT who had no idea how to fix the problem. Earlier when they had Indian call centres I fixed the problem myself after the girl went away to asked her supervisor ( another half hour) as she had no idea how to fix it.
Thank you again Albert

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 12:44, Nick Way <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Albert,
> 
> As you wrote, I thought I'd share my experience with Virgin...
> 
> We were informed there would be upgrades last Thursday. Three of us are working from home. Internet went off about noon and I received a text saying all was fixed about 1700. NO INTERNET!
> 
> First available Engineer came yesterday. Traced the fault to the cabinet and pugged our house coax onto the Tap.
> 
> A disgraceful upgrade where they clearly didn't check their work. Irritated at the least as Sunday was a work day in Dubai! 
> 
> Happy surfing everyone, and keep safe...
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Nick WAY
>> On 06/10/2020 12:36 Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Experiencing problems with some remote devices joining the network with a new hub?  (Fibre or BT hub 2)  
>> I think this may be helpful and solve the problem
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.bt.com/help/broadband/learn-about-broadband/how-do-i-set-up-port-forwarding-on-my-bt-hub- <https://www.bt.com/help/broadband/learn-about-broadband/how-do-i-set-up-port-forwarding-on-my-bt-hub->
>> 
>> AB
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From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 16:23:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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More Moskow tales..
We did a Panorama history of the CIA for BBC1.
This involved visits to Langley and KGB headquarters.
Washington was more paranoid than  the Lubyanka.
We filmed one top floor CIA meeting mute because of security issues but our camera could read their notes.
I had to get our DigiBeta recorder from the hotel and erase the shots that showed detail.
This was done in the basement you see in all the movies with all the tv feeds in the World but no digibeta machine...
We did a story of radio active materials being smuggled from the Moscow state factory to the machinists home flat, he was hoping to sell them in the market.
Security was so lax they only measured radiation levels on the way into work.
He was picked up in the underground by a meter looking for Radon gas!
During that trip we stayed in an apartment with one bed ,the cameraman?s ,I slept in the bathroom on a board over the bath.
The food was terrible.
Our fixer was ex KGB , very effective, but production very panic and drama.
Russia was interesting, the states much better , we filmed U2?s and SR 73s ,silos and bombers and interviews that went on for days.
Best was in Las Vegas ,a weird plot to destabilise Sukahrno, involving a porno film shot by Bing Crosby?s brother featuring a pneumatic  blond and a Sukarno lookalike. This was shown illicitly in Indonesia and ment to discredit him.
It had the opposite effect.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I won?t, but ?I could bore you all for months with my Russian adventures. 
> Some snippets:
> 
> My first time in Moscow was early 1981, for nearly a month. We too, stayed in the rather depressing looking Ukraine Hotel, so that immediately brings back memories! Eat at the official dinner time or not at all, and as most evenings we were filming concerts in the Bolshoi, Kremlin Concert Hall and other fabulous places, that did mean we literally didn?t eat properly some days. You couldn?t just walk into a restaurant or a McDonalds! Martin, my sound assistant was a type one diabetic, a detail that he hadn?t mentioned to Production or me, so straight away, that and the jab-kit he carried was a recipe for potential problems. I spent a lot of time looking after his interests. But it was an unforgettable and fruitful trip in every respect. Martin was a valuable source of musical knowledge and immense enthusiasm that kept all of us in good spirits. I had to fight the ACTT hard to get him onboard rather than some random unemployed member with no interest in the subject. A sizeable chunk of my earnings had to go into Union funds in order to make it happen, and in time, Production were very supportive too, and helped him get full membership of ACTT?s scandalously closed shop. Sadly, Martin is no longer with us and he died far too young.
> My next time in Moscow was about ten years later, and one of our interview locations was the Moscow Central Lenin Stadium, which was by then, in a state of major neglect and decay. A sad sight indeed.
> 
> Then followed nearly two decades of frequent CBS 60 Minutes visits to Moscow and St Petersburg on a wide variety of topics, ranging from Presidential interviews to missing briefcases (don?t ask!). CBS News has a Moscow Bureau, and at that time, a ?fixer?, a wonderful character who openly declared herself to be an ex-KGB senior official. You knew immediately that she wasn?t exaggerating. Olga (not her real name) could get us into (or out of) absolutely anywhere, no questions asked! Guards and officials used to back away when she flashed her ID card. We always flew BA Business for 60 Minutes, and ?Olga? would meet us airside and escort us through the VIP route, with no customs checks, nothing. We often had more trouble clearing through customs on returning to Heathrow because we had no documents to show where we or the 100+ kilos of gear had been! (No Carnet for Russia in those days, only your own unofficial equipment list that you got stamped on the way out). With CBS the hotel was at the top end of the hotel spectrum: The Hotel Metropol, opposite the Bolshoi, and that was truly magnificent.
> 
> At one time you weren?t allowed to take radio mics or any other transmitting devices into Russia, so we used to list them in some non-specific way like ?remote? or ?distant? etc., and if asked, would show a 416 (special mic for picking up sounds a long way away, allegedly). On one ?story? we were at a military base near Moscow to do a major interview with Mikhail Gorbachev. Part of the interview was ?sit-down? with simultaneous in-ear translation, followed by some impromptu B-roll ?walk-and-talk? around the base. You should have seen three cameramen yanking out all the camera cabling and foraging for batteries to go running after them! I had Micron 700 radios on the Correspondent and Gorbachev, and at the end of the sit-down, off they went, some of the time up to 100 metres from the cameras. Although it was planned as mute B-roll, Gorbachev lapsed into good English, and some valuable stuff resulted. One of our military escorts showed surprise that the radios worked. When I said I would expect them to go that far, he said, no, he was surprised that they worked at all as the base was heavily RF shielded with jamming equipment. Not on UK Channel 69 (then) though, evidently.
> And, if you can take one more: - a ?feature? shoot for ITN about the Russian Classical Composers who had been declared unpatriotic under Communism, and all of their works and filmed and recorded concerts (conducted by the actual Composers in most cases) were ordered to be destroyed. Except that they weren?t. Film tins and tapes were secretly re-labelled by the archivists with innocent titles, and carefully preserved exactly where they were, and after Perestroika, they magically reappeared. Quite a story, that! 
> Apart from the 1980 hunger pangs, I can honestly say all my Russia trips are amongst my very favourite jobs I ever did. Love the place, the people, the music we filmed -classical and pop, etc., etc.
> 
> One last thought on all this: My good friend Martin Palmer took his Nikon everywhere we went and took loads of pictures of us working, travelling and relaxing. Mine went everywhere with me too, but I was generally too busy to take many pix myself, and knowing that he was, I didn?t feel the need to. It was only after he died a couple of years ago that his wife told me he had kept a box of literally hundreds (her words) of undeveloped films that she had thrown away because amongst all his clutter she didn?t know what to do with them. I should have acted sooner. I think nowadays, most of us take lots of pics on our phones and never print any of them, and unless we make a point of saving them in a form that our kids and grandchildren can access in the future, they will be lost.
> Here endeth the First Lesson!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 11:07:39 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 17:07:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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This smacks of Moscow! The IBC for the Olympics was a new building with many studios and associated control rooms that were destined to provide regional programmes for all the far flung areas of the Soviet Union - everything from Moscow so that it could be monitored and censored by the boys in black leather jackets, of whom we encountered quite a few. 

Mike G

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 14:38, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Takes me back to my days in London Switching Centre where regional inserts from London were sent up the distribution network. Us lowly engineers had control over the opt-out key.
> The opt-out was always supposed to end 30seconds before the opt-back time and we still sat with hand on the (nice old Kellogg) key in case the regional contribution overran.
> Of course it got more complicated when 2 regions wanted different feeds consecutively.
> Opt-out done, off to supper in BH Canteen (or club?) or stayed there to allow the other person on shift to go off early!
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Peter Neill via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:17 PM
> To: Tech Ops List
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
>  
> Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem exists with London.
> I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
> be right next time.
>  
> The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors.
>  
> Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is planned.
> With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is done there.
> Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.
>  
> Best
>  
>  
> Peter Neill
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  6 15:48:03 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 21:48:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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All this stuff makes me pleased that I mostly worked at Television Centre.

B



On 06/10/2020 16:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote:
> More Moskow tales..
> We did a Panorama history of the CIA for BBC1.
> This involved visits to Langley and KGB headquarters.
> Washington was more paranoid than  the Lubyanka.
> We filmed one top floor CIA meeting mute because of security issues but our camera could read their notes.
> I had to get our DigiBeta recorder from the hotel and erase the shots that showed detail.
> This was done in the basement you see in all the movies with all the tv feeds in the World but no digibeta machine...
> We did a story of radio active materials being smuggled from the Moscow state factory to the machinists home flat, he was hoping to sell them in the market.
> Security was so lax they only measured radiation levels on the way into work.
> He was picked up in the underground by a meter looking for Radon gas!
> During that trip we stayed in an apartment with one bed ,the cameraman?s ,I slept in the bathroom on a board over the bath.
> The food was terrible.
> Our fixer was ex KGB , very effective, but production very panic and drama.
> Russia was interesting, the states much better , we filmed U2?s and SR 73s ,silos and bombers and interviews that went on for days.
> Best was in Las Vegas ,a weird plot to destabilise Sukahrno, involving a porno film shot by Bing Crosby?s brother featuring a pneumatic  blond and a Sukarno lookalike. This was shown illicitly in Indonesia and ment to discredit him.
> It had the opposite effect.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I won?t, but ?I could bore you all for months with my Russian adventures.
>> Some snippets:
>>
>> My first time in Moscow was early 1981, for nearly a month. We too, stayed in the rather depressing looking Ukraine Hotel, so that immediately brings back memories! Eat at the official dinner time or not at all, and as most evenings we were filming concerts in the Bolshoi, Kremlin Concert Hall and other fabulous places, that did mean we literally didn?t eat properly some days. You couldn?t just walk into a restaurant or a McDonalds! Martin, my sound assistant was a type one diabetic, a detail that he hadn?t mentioned to Production or me, so straight away, that and the jab-kit he carried was a recipe for potential problems. I spent a lot of time looking after his interests. But it was an unforgettable and fruitful trip in every respect. Martin was a valuable source of musical knowledge and immense enthusiasm that kept all of us in good spirits. I had to fight the ACTT hard to get him onboard rather than some random unemployed member with no interest in the subject. A sizeable chunk of my earnings had to go into Union funds in order to make it happen, and in time, Production were very supportive too, and helped him get full membership of ACTT?s scandalously closed shop. Sadly, Martin is no longer with us and he died far too young.
>> My next time in Moscow was about ten years later, and one of our interview locations was the Moscow Central Lenin Stadium, which was by then, in a state of major neglect and decay. A sad sight indeed.
>>
>> Then followed nearly two decades of frequent CBS 60 Minutes visits to Moscow and St Petersburg on a wide variety of topics, ranging from Presidential interviews to missing briefcases (don?t ask!). CBS News has a Moscow Bureau, and at that time, a ?fixer?, a wonderful character who openly declared herself to be an ex-KGB senior official. You knew immediately that she wasn?t exaggerating. Olga (not her real name) could get us into (or out of) absolutely anywhere, no questions asked! Guards and officials used to back away when she flashed her ID card. We always flew BA Business for 60 Minutes, and ?Olga? would meet us airside and escort us through the VIP route, with no customs checks, nothing. We often had more trouble clearing through customs on returning to Heathrow because we had no documents to show where we or the 100+ kilos of gear had been! (No Carnet for Russia in those days, only your own unofficial equipment list that you got stamped on the way out). With CBS the hotel was at the top end of the hotel spectrum: The Hotel Metropol, opposite the Bolshoi, and that was truly magnificent.
>>
>> At one time you weren?t allowed to take radio mics or any other transmitting devices into Russia, so we used to list them in some non-specific way like ?remote? or ?distant? etc., and if asked, would show a 416 (special mic for picking up sounds a long way away, allegedly). On one ?story? we were at a military base near Moscow to do a major interview with Mikhail Gorbachev. Part of the interview was ?sit-down? with simultaneous in-ear translation, followed by some impromptu B-roll ?walk-and-talk? around the base. You should have seen three cameramen yanking out all the camera cabling and foraging for batteries to go running after them! I had Micron 700 radios on the Correspondent and Gorbachev, and at the end of the sit-down, off they went, some of the time up to 100 metres from the cameras. Although it was planned as mute B-roll, Gorbachev lapsed into good English, and some valuable stuff resulted. One of our military escorts showed surprise that the radios worked. When I said I would expect them to go that far, he said, no, he was surprised that they worked at all as the base was heavily RF shielded with jamming equipment. Not on UK Channel 69 (then) though, evidently.
>> And, if you can take one more: - a ?feature? shoot for ITN about the Russian Classical Composers who had been declared unpatriotic under Communism, and all of their works and filmed and recorded concerts (conducted by the actual Composers in most cases) were ordered to be destroyed. Except that they weren?t. Film tins and tapes were secretly re-labelled by the archivists with innocent titles, and carefully preserved exactly where they were, and after Perestroika, they magically reappeared. Quite a story, that!
>> Apart from the 1980 hunger pangs, I can honestly say all my Russia trips are amongst my very favourite jobs I ever did. Love the place, the people, the music we filmed -classical and pop, etc., etc.
>>
>> One last thought on all this: My good friend Martin Palmer took his Nikon everywhere we went and took loads of pictures of us working, travelling and relaxing. Mine went everywhere with me too, but I was generally too busy to take many pix myself, and knowing that he was, I didn?t feel the need to. It was only after he died a couple of years ago that his wife told me he had kept a box of literally hundreds (her words) of undeveloped films that she had thrown away because amongst all his clutter she didn?t know what to do with them. I should have acted sooner. I think nowadays, most of us take lots of pics on our phones and never print any of them, and unless we make a point of saving them in a form that our kids and grandchildren can access in the future, they will be lost.
>> Here endeth the First Lesson!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> -- 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Oct  6 16:41:16 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 22:41:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Oh - it was fun (mostly!). Variety is the spice of life, after all. 

Mike G

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 21:49, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? All this stuff makes me pleased that I mostly worked at Television Centre.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/10/2020 16:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote:
>> More Moskow tales..
>> We did a Panorama history of the CIA for BBC1.
>> This involved visits to Langley and KGB headquarters.
>> Washington was more paranoid than  the Lubyanka.
>> We filmed one top floor CIA meeting mute because of security issues but our camera could read their notes.
>> I had to get our DigiBeta recorder from the hotel and erase the shots that showed detail.
>> This was done in the basement you see in all the movies with all the tv feeds in the World but no digibeta machine...
>> We did a story of radio active materials being smuggled from the Moscow state factory to the machinists home flat, he was hoping to sell them in the market.
>> Security was so lax they only measured radiation levels on the way into work.
>> He was picked up in the underground by a meter looking for Radon gas!
>> During that trip we stayed in an apartment with one bed ,the cameraman?s ,I slept in the bathroom on a board over the bath.
>> The food was terrible.
>> Our fixer was ex KGB , very effective, but production very panic and drama.
>> Russia was interesting, the states much better , we filmed U2?s and SR 73s ,silos and bombers and interviews that went on for days.
>> Best was in Las Vegas ,a weird plot to destabilise Sukahrno, involving a porno film shot by Bing Crosby?s brother featuring a pneumatic  blond and a Sukarno lookalike. This was shown illicitly in Indonesia and ment to discredit him.
>> It had the opposite effect.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I won?t, but ?I could bore you all for months with my Russian adventures. 
>>> Some snippets:
>>> 
>>> My first time in Moscow was early 1981, for nearly a month. We too, stayed in the rather depressing looking Ukraine Hotel, so that immediately brings back memories! Eat at the official dinner time or not at all, and as most evenings we were filming concerts in the Bolshoi, Kremlin Concert Hall and other fabulous places, that did mean we literally didn?t eat properly some days. You couldn?t just walk into a restaurant or a McDonalds! Martin, my sound assistant was a type one diabetic, a detail that he hadn?t mentioned to Production or me, so straight away, that and the jab-kit he carried was a recipe for potential problems. I spent a lot of time looking after his interests. But it was an unforgettable and fruitful trip in every respect. Martin was a valuable source of musical knowledge and immense enthusiasm that kept all of us in good spirits. I had to fight the ACTT hard to get him onboard rather than some random unemployed member with no interest in the subject. A sizeable chunk of my earnings had to go into Union funds in order to make it happen, and in time, Production were very supportive too, and helped him get full membership of ACTT?s scandalously closed shop. Sadly, Martin is no longer with us and he died far too young.
>>> My next time in Moscow was about ten years later, and one of our interview locations was the Moscow Central Lenin Stadium, which was by then, in a state of major neglect and decay. A sad sight indeed.
>>> 
>>> Then followed nearly two decades of frequent CBS 60 Minutes visits to Moscow and St Petersburg on a wide variety of topics, ranging from Presidential interviews to missing briefcases (don?t ask!). CBS News has a Moscow Bureau, and at that time, a ?fixer?, a wonderful character who openly declared herself to be an ex-KGB senior official. You knew immediately that she wasn?t exaggerating. Olga (not her real name) could get us into (or out of) absolutely anywhere, no questions asked! Guards and officials used to back away when she flashed her ID card. We always flew BA Business for 60 Minutes, and ?Olga? would meet us airside and escort us through the VIP route, with no customs checks, nothing. We often had more trouble clearing through customs on returning to Heathrow because we had no documents to show where we or the 100+ kilos of gear had been! (No Carnet for Russia in those days, only your own unofficial equipment list that you got stamped on the way out). With CBS the hotel was at the top end of the hotel spectrum: The Hotel Metropol, opposite the Bolshoi, and that was truly magnificent.
>>> 
>>> At one time you weren?t allowed to take radio mics or any other transmitting devices into Russia, so we used to list them in some non-specific way like ?remote? or ?distant? etc., and if asked, would show a 416 (special mic for picking up sounds a long way away, allegedly). On one ?story? we were at a military base near Moscow to do a major interview with Mikhail Gorbachev. Part of the interview was ?sit-down? with simultaneous in-ear translation, followed by some impromptu B-roll ?walk-and-talk? around the base. You should have seen three cameramen yanking out all the camera cabling and foraging for batteries to go running after them! I had Micron 700 radios on the Correspondent and Gorbachev, and at the end of the sit-down, off they went, some of the time up to 100 metres from the cameras. Although it was planned as mute B-roll, Gorbachev lapsed into good English, and some valuable stuff resulted. One of our military escorts showed surprise that the radios worked. When I said I would expect them to go that far, he said, no, he was surprised that they worked at all as the base was heavily RF shielded with jamming equipment. Not on UK Channel 69 (then) though, evidently.
>>> And, if you can take one more: - a ?feature? shoot for ITN about the Russian Classical Composers who had been declared unpatriotic under Communism, and all of their works and filmed and recorded concerts (conducted by the actual Composers in most cases) were ordered to be destroyed. Except that they weren?t. Film tins and tapes were secretly re-labelled by the archivists with innocent titles, and carefully preserved exactly where they were, and after Perestroika, they magically reappeared. Quite a story, that! 
>>> Apart from the 1980 hunger pangs, I can honestly say all my Russia trips are amongst my very favourite jobs I ever did. Love the place, the people, the music we filmed -classical and pop, etc., etc.
>>> 
>>> One last thought on all this: My good friend Martin Palmer took his Nikon everywhere we went and took loads of pictures of us working, travelling and relaxing. Mine went everywhere with me too, but I was generally too busy to take many pix myself, and knowing that he was, I didn?t feel the need to. It was only after he died a couple of years ago that his wife told me he had kept a box of literally hundreds (her words) of undeveloped films that she had thrown away because amongst all his clutter she didn?t know what to do with them. I should have acted sooner. I think nowadays, most of us take lots of pics on our phones and never print any of them, and unless we make a point of saving them in a form that our kids and grandchildren can access in the future, they will be lost.
>>> Here endeth the First Lesson!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Oct  6 16:59:32 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2020 22:59:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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It?s horses for courses.  I thoroughly enjoyed my time on OBs, but I don?t think I would have been happy working in a studio environment.

Obviously there were hardships and sometimes even dangers, but it was frequently an adventure.  I was able to live a long way out of London ( Newbury at that time ) and travelled to work in different directions.  It wasn?t possible to settle into a routine.  

Location drama could be an extraordinary way of life.  For ten or twelve weeks, you are living and working with a bunch of people who you see more of than your family for the duration.  It?s a very intense way of working, although I would be the first to concede that it?s not for everyone, but personally I had a whale of a time and it changed my life in profound ways.

Working away from base also fosters a rather independent and at times, insubordinate attitude.  In hindsight I felt sorry for line managers such as Colin White and Jeff Baker, because although I would never have admitted it at the time, they were excellent managers and did a brilliant job of keeping our department working well, despite the efforts of some of us to liven things up a little from time to time. 

I suppose what it boils down to is that those of us who stayed in the business for decades discovered a niche which suited us and those who didn?t find a suitable niche moved on.

Alan Taylor



> On 6 Oct 2020, at 21:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? All this stuff makes me pleased that I mostly worked at Television Centre.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/10/2020 16:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote:
>> More Moskow tales..
>> We did a Panorama history of the CIA for BBC1.
>> This involved visits to Langley and KGB headquarters.
>> Washington was more paranoid than  the Lubyanka.
>> We filmed one top floor CIA meeting mute because of security issues but our camera could read their notes.
>> I had to get our DigiBeta recorder from the hotel and erase the shots that showed detail.
>> This was done in the basement you see in all the movies with all the tv feeds in the World but no digibeta machine...
>> We did a story of radio active materials being smuggled from the Moscow state factory to the machinists home flat, he was hoping to sell them in the market.
>> Security was so lax they only measured radiation levels on the way into work.
>> He was picked up in the underground by a meter looking for Radon gas!
>> During that trip we stayed in an apartment with one bed ,the cameraman?s ,I slept in the bathroom on a board over the bath.
>> The food was terrible.
>> Our fixer was ex KGB , very effective, but production very panic and drama.
>> Russia was interesting, the states much better , we filmed U2?s and SR 73s ,silos and bombers and interviews that went on for days.
>> Best was in Las Vegas ,a weird plot to destabilise Sukahrno, involving a porno film shot by Bing Crosby?s brother featuring a pneumatic  blond and a Sukarno lookalike. This was shown illicitly in Indonesia and ment to discredit him.
>> It had the opposite effect.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I won?t, but ?I could bore you all for months with my Russian adventures. 
>>> Some snippets:
>>> 
>>> My first time in Moscow was early 1981, for nearly a month. We too, stayed in the rather depressing looking Ukraine Hotel, so that immediately brings back memories! Eat at the official dinner time or not at all, and as most evenings we were filming concerts in the Bolshoi, Kremlin Concert Hall and other fabulous places, that did mean we literally didn?t eat properly some days. You couldn?t just walk into a restaurant or a McDonalds! Martin, my sound assistant was a type one diabetic, a detail that he hadn?t mentioned to Production or me, so straight away, that and the jab-kit he carried was a recipe for potential problems. I spent a lot of time looking after his interests. But it was an unforgettable and fruitful trip in every respect. Martin was a valuable source of musical knowledge and immense enthusiasm that kept all of us in good spirits. I had to fight the ACTT hard to get him onboard rather than some random unemployed member with no interest in the subject. A sizeable chunk of my earnings had to go into Union funds in order to make it happen, and in time, Production were very supportive too, and helped him get full membership of ACTT?s scandalously closed shop. Sadly, Martin is no longer with us and he died far too young.
>>> My next time in Moscow was about ten years later, and one of our interview locations was the Moscow Central Lenin Stadium, which was by then, in a state of major neglect and decay. A sad sight indeed.
>>> 
>>> Then followed nearly two decades of frequent CBS 60 Minutes visits to Moscow and St Petersburg on a wide variety of topics, ranging from Presidential interviews to missing briefcases (don?t ask!). CBS News has a Moscow Bureau, and at that time, a ?fixer?, a wonderful character who openly declared herself to be an ex-KGB senior official. You knew immediately that she wasn?t exaggerating. Olga (not her real name) could get us into (or out of) absolutely anywhere, no questions asked! Guards and officials used to back away when she flashed her ID card. We always flew BA Business for 60 Minutes, and ?Olga? would meet us airside and escort us through the VIP route, with no customs checks, nothing. We often had more trouble clearing through customs on returning to Heathrow because we had no documents to show where we or the 100+ kilos of gear had been! (No Carnet for Russia in those days, only your own unofficial equipment list that you got stamped on the way out). With CBS the hotel was at the top end of the hotel spectrum: The Hotel Metropol, opposite the Bolshoi, and that was truly magnificent.
>>> 
>>> At one time you weren?t allowed to take radio mics or any other transmitting devices into Russia, so we used to list them in some non-specific way like ?remote? or ?distant? etc., and if asked, would show a 416 (special mic for picking up sounds a long way away, allegedly). On one ?story? we were at a military base near Moscow to do a major interview with Mikhail Gorbachev. Part of the interview was ?sit-down? with simultaneous in-ear translation, followed by some impromptu B-roll ?walk-and-talk? around the base. You should have seen three cameramen yanking out all the camera cabling and foraging for batteries to go running after them! I had Micron 700 radios on the Correspondent and Gorbachev, and at the end of the sit-down, off they went, some of the time up to 100 metres from the cameras. Although it was planned as mute B-roll, Gorbachev lapsed into good English, and some valuable stuff resulted. One of our military escorts showed surprise that the radios worked. When I said I would expect them to go that far, he said, no, he was surprised that they worked at all as the base was heavily RF shielded with jamming equipment. Not on UK Channel 69 (then) though, evidently.
>>> And, if you can take one more: - a ?feature? shoot for ITN about the Russian Classical Composers who had been declared unpatriotic under Communism, and all of their works and filmed and recorded concerts (conducted by the actual Composers in most cases) were ordered to be destroyed. Except that they weren?t. Film tins and tapes were secretly re-labelled by the archivists with innocent titles, and carefully preserved exactly where they were, and after Perestroika, they magically reappeared. Quite a story, that! 
>>> Apart from the 1980 hunger pangs, I can honestly say all my Russia trips are amongst my very favourite jobs I ever did. Love the place, the people, the music we filmed -classical and pop, etc., etc.
>>> 
>>> One last thought on all this: My good friend Martin Palmer took his Nikon everywhere we went and took loads of pictures of us working, travelling and relaxing. Mine went everywhere with me too, but I was generally too busy to take many pix myself, and knowing that he was, I didn?t feel the need to. It was only after he died a couple of years ago that his wife told me he had kept a box of literally hundreds (her words) of undeveloped films that she had thrown away because amongst all his clutter she didn?t know what to do with them. I should have acted sooner. I think nowadays, most of us take lots of pics on our phones and never print any of them, and unless we make a point of saving them in a form that our kids and grandchildren can access in the future, they will be lost.
>>> Here endeth the First Lesson!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 09:41:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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Working in a NPC on film was true diversity in action.
I had worked at Bush House in World Service and at TVC in my induction to Television.
TFS offered studio work and location, But BBC Bristol Film Unit was continual Life on The Road and I loved it.
One week we could be shooting a NHU doc on saving Howlers Monkeys, the next month working on an Anthropology film about and indigenous tribe killing Howlers.
When the production teams met in the club , there could be tensions..
We shot Nat Hist, Music for Arts and Features,Drama for Drama Dept London, Light entertainment for John King, docos for  TV features and Science for Horizon and OU.
We worked 220 days a year, sometimes away for months, all over the world, with shows bolted on to your schedule (especially in the States) unexpectedly.
My freelance life was never as varied as my BBC experience.

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 22:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> It?s horses for courses.  I thoroughly enjoyed my time on OBs, but I don?t think I would have been happy working in a studio environment.
> 
> Obviously there were hardships and sometimes even dangers, but it was frequently an adventure.  I was able to live a long way out of London ( Newbury at that time ) and travelled to work in different directions.  It wasn?t possible to settle into a routine.  
> 
> Location drama could be an extraordinary way of life.  For ten or twelve weeks, you are living and working with a bunch of people who you see more of than your family for the duration.  It?s a very intense way of working, although I would be the first to concede that it?s not for everyone, but personally I had a whale of a time and it changed my life in profound ways.
> 
> Working away from base also fosters a rather independent and at times, insubordinate attitude.  In hindsight I felt sorry for line managers such as Colin White and Jeff Baker, because although I would never have admitted it at the time, they were excellent managers and did a brilliant job of keeping our department working well, despite the efforts of some of us to liven things up a little from time to time. 
> 
> I suppose what it boils down to is that those of us who stayed in the business for decades discovered a niche which suited us and those who didn?t find a suitable niche moved on.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 21:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? All this stuff makes me pleased that I mostly worked at Television Centre.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/10/2020 16:23, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote:
>>> More Moskow tales..
>>> We did a Panorama history of the CIA for BBC1.
>>> This involved visits to Langley and KGB headquarters.
>>> Washington was more paranoid than  the Lubyanka.
>>> We filmed one top floor CIA meeting mute because of security issues but our camera could read their notes.
>>> I had to get our DigiBeta recorder from the hotel and erase the shots that showed detail.
>>> This was done in the basement you see in all the movies with all the tv feeds in the World but no digibeta machine...
>>> We did a story of radio active materials being smuggled from the Moscow state factory to the machinists home flat, he was hoping to sell them in the market.
>>> Security was so lax they only measured radiation levels on the way into work.
>>> He was picked up in the underground by a meter looking for Radon gas!
>>> During that trip we stayed in an apartment with one bed ,the cameraman?s ,I slept in the bathroom on a board over the bath.
>>> The food was terrible.
>>> Our fixer was ex KGB , very effective, but production very panic and drama.
>>> Russia was interesting, the states much better , we filmed U2?s and SR 73s ,silos and bombers and interviews that went on for days.
>>> Best was in Las Vegas ,a weird plot to destabilise Sukahrno, involving a porno film shot by Bing Crosby?s brother featuring a pneumatic  blond and a Sukarno lookalike. This was shown illicitly in Indonesia and ment to discredit him.
>>> It had the opposite effect.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 15:13, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I won?t, but ?I could bore you all for months with my Russian adventures. 
>>>> Some snippets:
>>>> 
>>>> My first time in Moscow was early 1981, for nearly a month. We too, stayed in the rather depressing looking Ukraine Hotel, so that immediately brings back memories! Eat at the official dinner time or not at all, and as most evenings we were filming concerts in the Bolshoi, Kremlin Concert Hall and other fabulous places, that did mean we literally didn?t eat properly some days. You couldn?t just walk into a restaurant or a McDonalds! Martin, my sound assistant was a type one diabetic, a detail that he hadn?t mentioned to Production or me, so straight away, that and the jab-kit he carried was a recipe for potential problems. I spent a lot of time looking after his interests. But it was an unforgettable and fruitful trip in every respect. Martin was a valuable source of musical knowledge and immense enthusiasm that kept all of us in good spirits. I had to fight the ACTT hard to get him onboard rather than some random unemployed member with no interest in the subject. A sizeable chunk of my earnings had to go into Union funds in order to make it happen, and in time, Production were very supportive too, and helped him get full membership of ACTT?s scandalously closed shop. Sadly, Martin is no longer with us and he died far too young.
>>>> My next time in Moscow was about ten years later, and one of our interview locations was the Moscow Central Lenin Stadium, which was by then, in a state of major neglect and decay. A sad sight indeed.
>>>> 
>>>> Then followed nearly two decades of frequent CBS 60 Minutes visits to Moscow and St Petersburg on a wide variety of topics, ranging from Presidential interviews to missing briefcases (don?t ask!). CBS News has a Moscow Bureau, and at that time, a ?fixer?, a wonderful character who openly declared herself to be an ex-KGB senior official. You knew immediately that she wasn?t exaggerating. Olga (not her real name) could get us into (or out of) absolutely anywhere, no questions asked! Guards and officials used to back away when she flashed her ID card. We always flew BA Business for 60 Minutes, and ?Olga? would meet us airside and escort us through the VIP route, with no customs checks, nothing. We often had more trouble clearing through customs on returning to Heathrow because we had no documents to show where we or the 100+ kilos of gear had been! (No Carnet for Russia in those days, only your own unofficial equipment list that you got stamped on the way out). With CBS the hotel was at the top end of the hotel spectrum: The Hotel Metropol, opposite the Bolshoi, and that was truly magnificent.
>>>> 
>>>> At one time you weren?t allowed to take radio mics or any other transmitting devices into Russia, so we used to list them in some non-specific way like ?remote? or ?distant? etc., and if asked, would show a 416 (special mic for picking up sounds a long way away, allegedly). On one ?story? we were at a military base near Moscow to do a major interview with Mikhail Gorbachev. Part of the interview was ?sit-down? with simultaneous in-ear translation, followed by some impromptu B-roll ?walk-and-talk? around the base. You should have seen three cameramen yanking out all the camera cabling and foraging for batteries to go running after them! I had Micron 700 radios on the Correspondent and Gorbachev, and at the end of the sit-down, off they went, some of the time up to 100 metres from the cameras. Although it was planned as mute B-roll, Gorbachev lapsed into good English, and some valuable stuff resulted. One of our military escorts showed surprise that the radios worked. When I said I would expect them to go that far, he said, no, he was surprised that they worked at all as the base was heavily RF shielded with jamming equipment. Not on UK Channel 69 (then) though, evidently.
>>>> And, if you can take one more: - a ?feature? shoot for ITN about the Russian Classical Composers who had been declared unpatriotic under Communism, and all of their works and filmed and recorded concerts (conducted by the actual Composers in most cases) were ordered to be destroyed. Except that they weren?t. Film tins and tapes were secretly re-labelled by the archivists with innocent titles, and carefully preserved exactly where they were, and after Perestroika, they magically reappeared. Quite a story, that! 
>>>> Apart from the 1980 hunger pangs, I can honestly say all my Russia trips are amongst my very favourite jobs I ever did. Love the place, the people, the music we filmed -classical and pop, etc., etc.
>>>> 
>>>> One last thought on all this: My good friend Martin Palmer took his Nikon everywhere we went and took loads of pictures of us working, travelling and relaxing. Mine went everywhere with me too, but I was generally too busy to take many pix myself, and knowing that he was, I didn?t feel the need to. It was only after he died a couple of years ago that his wife told me he had kept a box of literally hundreds (her words) of undeveloped films that she had thrown away because amongst all his clutter she didn?t know what to do with them. I should have acted sooner. I think nowadays, most of us take lots of pics on our phones and never print any of them, and unless we make a point of saving them in a form that our kids and grandchildren can access in the future, they will be lost.
>>>> Here endeth the First Lesson!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct  7 05:46:25 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 11:46:25 +0100
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I agree with Alan, that working outside a studio environment was very much an adventure, but unlike Roger, I found that my freelance work was incredibly varied. Although I loved working in TVC, preferably on audience shows, as that, to me, was more ?show-biz?. I was happy to be part of the crews bringing entertainment. But I will say that freelancing in the feature film and documentary fields offered visits to places that I would probably never have been able to encounter:
A 17 week location in an undeveloped ski village in Switzerland. Where I learned how to drive in snow and ice.
12 weeks in Amsterdam.
5 months in the then Yugoslavia.
The Far East ? Thailand, Hong Kong, Macao, for twelve weeks or so.
Two round the world jobs, including the States ? Florida, Texas, Louisiana and New York (twice ? didn?t like that much!), Canada, and Oh! Yes! The Caribbean ? I took a feature film job, pity that it was Michael Winner, but I was happy to visit Antigua, St. Lucia and Curacao on someone else?s wallet!
Documentary work provided insights to manufacturing processes that the general public would never see ? close to cast iron blast furnaces, a potato crisp factory presented us with a box of 24 packets when we left! and most awesome, Pilkington?s factory where they made the huge sheets of glass for shop windows. Working on a series following the McLaren F1 team around led to Canada & Pennsylvania (where we ended up in the middle of the bible belt in a motel which was dry! ? that also happened in Jeddah in Saudi Arabia, but we did get to swim in the Red Sea, and watch the land crabs in the evenings. ( a glass of Sauvignon Blanc would have been nice!)
McLaren took us to Adelaide, where there was time to explore the vineyards of the Barossa Valley, and a small wildlife park to scratch the ears of a kangaroo. Our PA on that trip said: ?I?ve been in this country for nine days, and not seen a sensible animal yet!? Upon discussion, we surmised that if indeed the Almighty had created the Earth and all creatures, that maybe He had started in South America, tried the coke and went back to the drawing board to design the fauna of OZ!

 That, and some splendid musical venues (assisting Nick Ware), which included Vienna, Cologne, & Prague, plus a fascinating trip to Iceland for a Thames Schools programme ? we had the best guides for everything we filmed, leapfrogging around in a Twin Otter aircraft and standing on the volcano that nearly wiped out the town on Heimaey.

So, great fun, in all.
Regards
Pat

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From: Roger E Long via Tech1
Sent: 07 October 2020 09:41
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Big numbers

My freelance life was never as varied as my BBC experience.


On 6 Oct 2020, at 22:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

It?s horses for courses. ?I thoroughly enjoyed my time on OBs, but I don?t think I would have been happy working in a studio environment.

Obviously there were hardships and sometimes even dangers, but it was frequently an adventure



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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct  7 11:33:09 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 16:33:09 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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?Much as I enjoyed and valued my 19 years in Tech Ops, it was time to leave when I was told at a Sound Supervisor board that I looked too young to be supervising others. I was 38 at the time! They would never get away with that now. At that point, I was tipped off by one of the ?nicer? Sound Managers that any chance of promotion was being effectively blocked by one of the others and someone above them. I knew the real reasons.
As it happens, they unwittingly did me a huge favour, and I never looked back.
I?ve seen the World, or a great amount of it, and the diversity of work I?ve done in the meantime beats any done and forgotten TV programmes (with obvious exceptions!)
1980 was a new dawn in many ways. For me, a divorce and a new relationship that?s still rock solid today. For work: that was the arrival of PSC (ENG to some), and the inevitable disappearance of Arri BL?s, Aatons and Nagras, etc., and not long after that, the arrival of all things digital, and non-linear editing.
For me, months away from home wasn?t what I wanted, and best of all, I totally got to choose what work I wanted to do and what I didn?t.
And as it turns out, looking younger than my actual years is paying off now, as I?m still fit and working all these years later!
Cheers,
Nick.
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From relong at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  7 12:47:21 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 18:47:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
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My freelance experience was pleasing and varied, pretty much the same clients as before
BBC 2,and then CH4
Soon TV History came into play and War Walks and  History of the Monarchy became staples for 10yrs
I became employed regularly by Granada who had a branch in Bristol.
This led to Historical Drama and Music.
I worked between 4-5 regular Cameramen , and Films of 59 were my agent and dry hire source.
HBO was a good Drama provider , mostly in Eastern Europe
Natural History for the Beeb and Discovery.
Film withered and Video and digital segued in,BBC Light Entertainment and Drama resurfaced, Music and Arts too.
My last show was a 3 month trip to Paris and its Cultural History.
Strangely my first trip to the US in1975 was the Ozarks for a film about Red wing Blackbirds
My last trip to the US was also to the Ozarks for a Clinton Marriage film for C4.
I had done 35 of the US states by then and 88 countries worldwide.
Not bad, but the breadth of freelance work never quite matched the vast variety BBC Bristol Film Unit produced in its heyday.


> On 7 Oct 2020, at 17:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Much as I enjoyed and valued my 19 years in Tech Ops, it was time to leave when I was told at a Sound Supervisor board that I looked too young to be supervising others. I was 38 at the time! They would never get away with that now. At that point, I was tipped off by one of the ?nicer? Sound Managers that any chance of promotion was being effectively blocked by one of the others and someone above them. I knew the real reasons.
> As it happens, they unwittingly did me a huge favour, and I never looked back.
> I?ve seen the World, or a great amount of it, and the diversity of work I?ve done in the meantime beats any done and forgotten TV programmes (with obvious exceptions!)
> 1980 was a new dawn in many ways. For me, a divorce and a new relationship that?s still rock solid today. For work: that was the arrival of PSC (ENG to some), and the inevitable disappearance of Arri BL?s, Aatons and Nagras, etc., and not long after that, the arrival of all things digital, and non-linear editing.
> For me, months away from home wasn?t what I wanted, and best of all, I totally got to choose what work I wanted to do and what I didn?t.
> And as it turns out, looking younger than my actual years is paying off now, as I?m still fit and working all these years later!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Oct  7 13:42:25 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 19:42:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Maida Vale studios
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This is a great article about Maida Vale studios. Cheers, Dave
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.soundonsound.com/music-business/bbc-maida-vale-studios%3famp


From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Oct  8 02:45:19 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 08:45:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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I recall an incident in the Bristol news studio as we were about to opt out for regional news. Vision mixers had recently been introduced to our news operation and they were responsible for operating the sleeved Kellogg key which remotely switched our transmitters to the Bristol feed, but on her first opt-out, the VM of the day was nervously holding the sleeve up in anticipation of the cue, but her fingers were a bit fidgety as she got ready far too early. The consequence was that she succeeded in opting out without throwing the key fully and when she let it go, it remained in the non-opt-ourt position, whilst the monitors clearly showed that our silent studio was on the air, but the illuminated indicator showed the opposite, being merely an indication of the position of the key, so she operated the key properly, restoring the London feed, but now the key was in the wrong position with the illuminated indicator showing that we were opted out, which we were not, so in a panic she put it back to normal, opting us out again. At this point, she burst into tears and the director, who had always done her own vision mixing in the past had to step in. Even then, much confusion reigned as to what state we really were in and I think we had a couple more flips before all was well! Must have been very confusing for the few viewers who would have been watching the lunchtime news. 

Mike G

> On 6 Oct 2020, at 17:08, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> This smacks of Moscow! The IBC for the Olympics was a new building with many studios and associated control rooms that were destined to provide regional programmes for all the far flung areas of the Soviet Union - everything from Moscow so that it could be monitored and censored by the boys in black leather jackets, of whom we encountered quite a few. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 6 Oct 2020, at 14:38, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Takes me back to my days in London Switching Centre where regional inserts from London were sent up the distribution network. Us lowly engineers had control over the opt-out key.
>> The opt-out was always supposed to end 30seconds before the opt-back time and we still sat with hand on the (nice old Kellogg) key in case the regional contribution overran.
>> Of course it got more complicated when 2 regions wanted different feeds consecutively.
>> Opt-out done, off to supper in BH Canteen (or club?) or stayed there to allow the other person on shift to go off early!
>>  
>> Mike
>>  
>> From: Peter Neill via Tech1
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 12:17 PM
>> To: Tech Ops List
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
>>  
>> Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem exists with London.
>> I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
>> be right next time.
>>  
>> The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors.
>>  
>> Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is planned.
>> With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is done there.
>> Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.
>>  
>> Best
>>  
>>  
>> Peter Neill
>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 04:36:36 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:36:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Angel Radio
Message-ID: <1dda37f2-9a56-70e4-48aa-74e1c91ebec7@gmail.com>

I was twiddling with the DAB dial the other day and happened upon Angel 
Radio. It's based in Havant and intended for Portsmouth and the Isle of 
Wight, so a bit digital bobbly here in West Byfleet, though perfectly 
listenable.

It's local radio aimed at "old people" like what we are, and feels like 
listening to Housewives Choice with the odd commercial here and there. 
"And now for Bill and Mary of Ryde, Frankie Vaughan sings....". One 
intro a few minutes ago included a woman in the background on the phone 
.? And the ads for for real local stuff - "I'm John Smith of John Smith 
Motors in Portsmouth". A half hour programme yesterday evening was 
sponsored by Jennifer Brown, or some such.

Fascinating. I wonder how long they'll last, which was what they said 
about Classic FM twenty odd years ago.

B


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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 04:43:57 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:43:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Angel Radio
In-Reply-To: <1dda37f2-9a56-70e4-48aa-74e1c91ebec7@gmail.com>
References: <1dda37f2-9a56-70e4-48aa-74e1c91ebec7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE1656BFC5AA46E59F9D3DE6CA62DBA4@0023242e4e14>

That?ll be this one.

http://angelradio.co.uk/



From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 10:36 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Angel Radio

I was twiddling with the DAB dial the other day and happened upon Angel Radio. It's based in Havant and intended for Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight, so a bit digital bobbly here in West Byfleet, though perfectly listenable.

It's local radio aimed at "old people" like what we are, and feels like listening to Housewives Choice with the odd commercial here and there. "And now for Bill and Mary of Ryde, Frankie Vaughan sings....". One intro a few minutes ago included a woman in the background on the phone .  And the ads for for real local stuff - "I'm John Smith of John Smith Motors in Portsmouth". A half hour programme yesterday evening was sponsored by Jennifer Brown, or some such.

Fascinating. I wonder how long they'll last, which was what they said about Classic FM twenty odd years ago.

B





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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Oct  8 04:58:18 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 10:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Angel Radio
In-Reply-To: <AE1656BFC5AA46E59F9D3DE6CA62DBA4@0023242e4e14>
References: <1dda37f2-9a56-70e4-48aa-74e1c91ebec7@gmail.com>
	<AE1656BFC5AA46E59F9D3DE6CA62DBA4@0023242e4e14>
Message-ID: <79B86DC1-2A11-4842-9E99-2AA97A8ED8EA@icloud.com>

I?m old, but I?m not that old!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 8 Oct 2020, at 10:43, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> That?ll be this one.
> 
> http://angelradio.co.uk/
> 
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2020 10:36 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Angel Radio
>  
> I was twiddling with the DAB dial the other day and happened upon Angel Radio. It's based in Havant and intended for Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight, so a bit digital bobbly here in West Byfleet, though perfectly listenable.
> 
> It's local radio aimed at "old people" like what we are, and feels like listening to Housewives Choice with the odd commercial here and there. "And now for Bill and Mary of Ryde, Frankie Vaughan sings....". One intro a few minutes ago included a woman in the background on the phone .  And the ads for for real local stuff - "I'm John Smith of John Smith Motors in Portsmouth". A half hour programme yesterday evening was sponsored by Jennifer Brown, or some such.
> 
> Fascinating. I wonder how long they'll last, which was what they said about Classic FM twenty odd years ago.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Oct  8 06:59:02 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 12:59:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <PR3P189MB08579918BCE5E684F866E3FBA70A0@PR3P189MB0857.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PR3P189MB08579918BCE5E684F866E3FBA70A0@PR3P189MB0857.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <436277de-c8c4-a703-3349-855897aa2c9b@chriswoolf.co.uk>


On 07/10/2020 17:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> ?Much as I enjoyed and valued my 19 years in Tech Ops, it was time to 
> leave when I was told at a Sound Supervisor board that I looked too 
> young to be supervising others. I was 38 at the time!
>
How interesting - I suffered a similar fate, though within the 
educational TV field. "Not enough grey hairs to be in charge of the 
facility", so they gave the job to an older guy, and put me as number 
two. Older codger (only 3 years more than me but looked 10)? couldn't 
manage any of the roles. I carried him for about 2 years and then went 
freelance.... and never looked back either!

Perhaps we should get together some Instagram filters that make us look 
~older~ rather than "prettier"!

Chris Woolf



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 07:15:28 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:15:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <PR3P189MB08579918BCE5E684F866E3FBA70A0@PR3P189MB0857.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <PR3P189MB08579918BCE5E684F866E3FBA70A0@PR3P189MB0857.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <bf9aab87-1ba4-9481-278c-9ce875e88ccf@btinternet.com>

Another clue as to your non-promotions at TVC was the fact that you had 
the nerve to lecture on the 'Tonmeister' Course at Surrey Uni.! You 
young upstart, how dare you pretend to know more than your managers! 
Anyway, I'm sure you have had a much better life away from TVC, as I 
did, even though it took me 17 years to escape to OBs! Cheers, Dave

On 07/10/2020 17:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> ?Much as I enjoyed and valued my 19 years in Tech Ops, it was time to 
> leave when I was told at a Sound Supervisor board that I looked too 
> young to be supervising others. I was 38 at the time! They would never 
> get away with that now. At that point, I was tipped off by one of the 
> ?nicer? Sound Managers that any chance of promotion was being 
> effectively blocked by one of the others and someone above them. I 
> knew the real reasons.
> As it happens, they unwittingly did me a huge favour, and I never 
> looked back.
> I?ve seen the World, or a great amount of it, and the diversity of 
> work I?ve done in the meantime beats any done and forgotten TV 
> programmes (with obvious exceptions!)
> 1980 was a new dawn in many ways. For me, a divorce and a new 
> relationship that?s still rock solid today. For work: that was the 
> arrival of PSC (ENG to some), and the inevitable disappearance of Arri 
> BL?s, Aatons and Nagras, etc., and not long after that, the arrival of 
> all things digital, and non-linear editing.
> For me, months away from home wasn?t what I wanted, and best of all, I 
> totally got to choose what work I wanted to do and what I didn?t.
> And as it turns out, looking younger than my actual years is paying 
> off now, as I?m still fit and working all these years later!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Thu Oct  8 07:27:51 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 13:27:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Angel Radio
In-Reply-To: <AE1656BFC5AA46E59F9D3DE6CA62DBA4@0023242e4e14>
References: <1dda37f2-9a56-70e4-48aa-74e1c91ebec7@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAA=qGJkW0t3-c2dSqGA-8XV-ec_QnZRrEq6e9icE8iP52kLT7A@mail.gmail.com>

I listened briefly to this staton. The presenter sounded as if this was her
first time in the studio. The record I heard was, as announced, Nice Work
If You Can Get It, but they got the artist wrong. I don't know who it was,
but it was certainly not Ella Fitzgerald, whom they credited three times.
KW

I see that Angel Radio is a not-for-profit radio station, established in
2007.

On Thu, 8 Oct 2020 at 10:44, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> That?ll be this one.
>
> http://angelradio.co.uk/
>
>
> *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 08, 2020 10:36 AM
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Angel Radio
>
> I was twiddling with the DAB dial the other day and happened upon Angel
> Radio. It's based in Havant and intended for Portsmouth and the Isle of
> Wight, so a bit digital bobbly here in West Byfleet, though perfectly
> listenable.
>
> It's local radio aimed at "old people" like what we are, and feels like
> listening to Housewives Choice with the odd commercial here and there. "And
> now for Bill and Mary of Ryde, Frankie Vaughan sings....". One intro a few
> minutes ago included a woman in the background on the phone .  And the
> ads for for real local stuff - "I'm John Smith of John Smith Motors in
> Portsmouth". A half hour programme yesterday evening was sponsored by
> Jennifer Brown, or some such.
>
> Fascinating. I wonder how long they'll last, which was what they said
> about Classic FM twenty odd years ago.
>
> B
>
>
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Thu Oct  8 08:01:37 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 14:01:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <bf9aab87-1ba4-9481-278c-9ce875e88ccf@btinternet.com>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Oct  8 08:27:10 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 14:27:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Big numbers
In-Reply-To: <436277de-c8c4-a703-3349-855897aa2c9b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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	<436277de-c8c4-a703-3349-855897aa2c9b@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <58bc3d1a08davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <436277de-c8c4-a703-3349-855897aa2c9b at chriswoolf.co.uk>,
   Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> On 07/10/2020 17:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> > #Much as I enjoyed and valued my 19 years in Tech Ops, it was time to 
> > leave when I was told at a Sound Supervisor board that I looked too 
> > young to be supervising others. I was 38 at the time!
> >
> How interesting - I suffered a similar fate, though within the 
> educational TV field. "Not enough grey hairs to be in charge of the 
> facility", so they gave the job to an older guy, and put me as number 
> two. Older codger (only 3 years more than me but looked 10)  couldn't 
> manage any of the roles. I carried him for about 2 years and then went 
> freelance.... and never looked back either!

> Perhaps we should get together some Instagram filters that make us look 
> ~older~ rather than "prettier"!

On deciding it was time for a move, first went for a job at LWT as floor
crew.  The job I was doing at the BBC. (LWT would have been very handy for
me travel wise). Did (I think) a very good interview. Was turned down on
the grounds I was over qualified. Perhaps I was too good at that
interview. ;-)

But things turned out well, as I was very happy at Thames Teddington.

-- 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct  8 09:02:00 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 14:02:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Angel Radio
In-Reply-To: <1dda37f2-9a56-70e4-48aa-74e1c91ebec7@gmail.com>
References: <1dda37f2-9a56-70e4-48aa-74e1c91ebec7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB086360090955C062767C4A34A70B0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It?s not digital wobbly on radio.garden/listen/angelradio/HiHKYkU2
Radio.garden - it?s all there, search anything!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 Oct 2020, at 10:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I was twiddling with the DAB dial the other day and happened upon Angel Radio. It's based in Havant and intended for Portsmouth and the Isle of Wight, so a bit digital bobbly here in West Byfleet, though perfectly listenable.

It's local radio aimed at "old people" like what we are, and feels like listening to Housewives Choice with the odd commercial here and there. "And now for Bill and Mary of Ryde, Frankie Vaughan sings....". One intro a few minutes ago included a woman in the background on the phone .  And the ads for for real local stuff - "I'm John Smith of John Smith Motors in Portsmouth". A half hour programme yesterday evening was sponsored by Jennifer Brown, or some such.

Fascinating. I wonder how long they'll last, which was what they said about Classic FM twenty odd years ago.

B


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct  8 11:01:11 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 17:01:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pushing the wrong buttons!
Message-ID: <5f7f37c7.1c69fb81.45a55.c5e1@mx.google.com>

It?s time for me to ?fess up to some horrid mistakes!
I?ve posted a story about causing the wiping of part of Katarina Witt addressing the East German Parliament ? not altogether all my fault, as I?d forgotten that the camera could initiate record on the separate BVU recorder.
Blunder #1. The full-track TR90?s had the record interlock button close to the main output fader, on the panel below the deck. Reaching down for the fader, I pushed the record button while pressing ?play?.
Some nifty work involved dubbing from the 7 ? ips safety copy up to 15 ips, and magic-ing with razor blade and splicing tape to mend the erased bit.

Blunder #2. This in the Film Industry, on my second feature. The Nagra III had two buttons on the front, one was the A/B (input/off-tape) one, the other injected tone. Halfway through a take, I pushed a button to check the off-tape mode. Arrrggghh! Wrong one! Burst of tone for a second. This, of course turned out to be the chosen print take, and on two cameras, so I cringed twice while seeing rushes.

Blunder #3. Following Muhammed Ali, who was attending a school to present a birthday cake ? lots of noise from excited kids as we entered the hall. Later, the editor rang me at home, asking:? Where?s slate 7, Pat?? I thought ? between 6 and 8? He sent me the tape, and indeed it was missing. What had happened, was.... the Nagra 4 has a multiposition function rotary switch. Record mode: 1. Off, 2. Standby, inputs live but tape stationary. 3. Tape rolling, machine recording.
There was so much noise that the leakage round my cans led me to think that it was already in Standby, so I went one click, not looking at the machine to see if the spools were actually going round ? we were closely following Ali, so had to look where we were going.

I?m sure I?ve got others but those above are ones I would like to forget!

Best
Pat

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Thu Oct  8 17:31:30 2020
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 23:31:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
In-Reply-To: <755A0DD5-C236-4F33-A549-15F9D7325F1B@icloud.com>
References: <r6tksvegsnqfd0pkg13akdvp.1601928424459@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Well that's that sorted out, we await the Centralised Opting System,

thank you Paul & Peter.


Now about that horrible music edit in the opening titles.....

Hibou.

(Corona was fizzy pop where I come from, Dandelion & Burdock being the

flavour most sought after).




On 06/10/2020 12:17, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
> Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this 
> problem exists with London.
> I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you 
> introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
> be right next time.
>
> The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but 
> that seems to be beyond some directors.
>
> Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which 
> is planned.
> With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all 
> opting is done there.
> Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be 
> distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.
>
> Best
>
>
> Peter Neill
>
>
>
>
>
>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 21:07, Paul Thackray via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Its a poor system for putting the local news in. Jumps back when they 
>> switch them selves in and forward as they switch out. Prog levels 
>> match ,timing does not!
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> 07802 243979
>>
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>>
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk/>
>>
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>
>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>> *From:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent:*5 October 2020 20:07
>> *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Reply to:*j at howell61.f9.co.uk <mailto:j at howell61.f9.co.uk>
>> *Subject:*[Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
>>
>>
>> Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous 
>> quarter second or missing the next?
>>
>> The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.
>>
>> On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay" 
>> became? "o-o". There were several
>>
>> more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening titles. 
>> What is gonig on??
>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Oct  8 17:49:27 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2020 23:49:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
In-Reply-To: <f8aad181-0e09-c73c-f35b-8f9117f55ba4@howell61.f9.co.uk>
References: <f8aad181-0e09-c73c-f35b-8f9117f55ba4@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6E89C8C2-C1A0-444D-8187-23F51C1D767A@mac.com>

Hi John,

I had assumed that the ?edit? is a consequence of the opt-out process, timing being the issue again. 

Mike G

> On 8 Oct 2020, at 23:32, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Well that's that sorted out, we await the Centralised Opting System,
> 
> thank you Paul & Peter.
> 
> 
> 
> Now about that horrible music edit in the opening titles.....
> 
> Hibou.
> 
> (Corona was fizzy pop where I come from, Dandelion & Burdock being the
> 
> flavour most sought after).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/10/2020 12:17, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
>> Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem exists with London. 
>> I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
>> be right next time.
>> 
>> The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors.
>> 
>> Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is planned.
>> With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is done there.
>> Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.
>> 
>> Best
>> 
>> 
>> Peter Neill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 21:07, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Its a poor system for putting the local news in. Jumps back when they switch them selves in and forward as they switch out. Prog levels match ,timing does not!
>>> 
>>> Paul Thackray
>>> 
>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>> 
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>>> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
>>> 
>>> Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous quarter second or missing the next?
>>> 
>>> The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.
>>> 
>>> On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay" became  "o-o".   There were several
>>> 
>>> more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening titles. What is gonig on??
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Oct  9 02:31:17 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 07:31:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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The trick is to wait for the wonderfully dismissive ?And now for the News where you are?.
Then while the telly is trying to decide whether you want 110, 101 or just 01  or 10, and eventually settles for 1, you?re back just in time for Riz?s opening words.
And that?s all happening just as the dogs are nagging for their dinner, the fan oven gets turned on, the kettle comes to the boil, and the missus is exclaiming ?Are you ever going to pour me a glass of wine?? and ?Are you ever going to stop moaning about the newsreader?s radio mic sounding crap compared to the guest?s C451??
It?s a hiatus moment!
Cheers,
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On 8 Oct 2020, at 23:32, John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Well that's that sorted out, we await the Centralised Opting System,

thank you Paul & Peter.


Now about that horrible music edit in the opening titles.....

Hibou.

(Corona was fizzy pop where I come from, Dandelion & Burdock being the

flavour most sought after).




On 06/10/2020 12:17, Peter Neill via Tech1 wrote:
Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem exists with London.
I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
be right next time.

The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors.

Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is planned.
With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is done there.
Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.

Best


Peter Neill





On 5 Oct 2020, at 21:07, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Its a poor system for putting the local news in. Jumps back when they switch them selves in and forward as they switch out. Prog levels match ,timing does not!

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

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Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous quarter second or missing the next?

The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.

On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay" became  "o-o".   There were several

more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening titles. What is gonig on??

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  9 05:01:58 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 11:01:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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In article
<VE1P189MB0863F8ACB5D247F1BEE5665AA7080 at VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?Are you ever going to pour me a glass of wine?? and ?Are you ever going
> to stop moaning about the newsreader?s radio mic sounding crap compared
> to the guest?s C451??

Not just me, then. ;-)   

Very noticeable on Newsnight, where no attempt seems to be made to match
the presenter's personal mic.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct  9 05:33:29 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 11:33:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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There seems to be no attempt to make a decent presentation these days.
Many letters to the Radio Times complain about the insensitivity of continuity announcers crashing in on the end music and as for shrinking the credits!!!

Do you remember at TVC, we used to serve a spell in Quality Control, where the signal could be sampled from studio output right through to BH switching centre and off-air from the transmitter, if live.

None of that nowadays, I suppose.

Pat

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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 05:50:31 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 11:50:31 +0100 (BST)
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 05:53:36 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 11:53:36 +0100
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Oct  9 11:11:49 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 16:11:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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The brutal, if cynical, fact is that the only people interested in credits are those who are in them - and their Mums, maybe. I suspect the only reason they still exist at all is to give continuity announcers something to talk over.
Presentation - have you ever seen inside a Playout Centre? It?s not like It was when you and I were at the Beeb, Pat. Which of course is appalling.
Have a look at  - redbeemedia.com/services/playout/
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 9 Oct 2020, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
There seems to be no attempt to make a decent presentation these days.
Many letters to the Radio Times complain about the insensitivity of continuity announcers crashing in on the end music and as for shrinking the credits!!!

Do you remember at TVC, we used to serve a spell in Quality Control, where the signal could be sampled from studio output right through to BH switching centre and off-air from the transmitter, if live.

None of that nowadays, I suppose.

Pat

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Fri Oct  9 11:25:06 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 17:25:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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Dear Nick 
Think you are a bit off beam here. The continuity suites are almost the same with a computer to stack the programmes and trailers plus a live announcer. When I went to Continuity it looked very familiar.
I had a credit and as wasn?t much interested in my own but they are useful to young technicians and producers in providing work and seeing work. From musicians to camera teams they get work through credits
I?m sure we all used to wait till the end to see which crew had their credit in the fish tank on TONIGHT with Cliff Michelmore.

Fondest best wishes 
Just had to write in, no offence intended.
Albert


> On 9 Oct 2020, at 17:11, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The brutal, if cynical, fact is that the only people interested in credits are those who are in them - and their Mums, maybe. I suspect the only reason they still exist at all is to give continuity announcers something to talk over.
> Presentation - have you ever seen inside a Playout Centre? It?s not like It was when you and I were at the Beeb, Pat. Which of course is appalling. 
> Have a look at  - redbeemedia.com/services/playout/ <http://redbeemedia.com/services/playout/>
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> There seems to be no attempt to make a decent presentation these days.
>> Many letters to the Radio Times complain about the insensitivity of continuity announcers crashing in on the end music and as for shrinking the credits!!!
>>  
>> Do you remember at TVC, we used to serve a spell in Quality Control, where the signal could be sampled from studio output right through to BH switching centre and off-air from the transmitter, if live.
>>  
>> None of that nowadays, I suppose.
>>  
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Oct  9 11:28:53 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 17:28:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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As so many people are now freelance, with no guarantee of work after the current job, Credits provide an ?advert? to keep you in employment?

 

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The brutal, if cynical, fact is that the only people interested in credits are those who are in them - and their Mums, maybe. I suspect the only reason they still exist at all is to give continuity announcers something to talk over. 

Presentation - have you ever seen inside a Playout Centre? It?s not like It was when you and I were at the Beeb, Pat. Which of course is appalling. 

Have a look at  - redbeemedia.com/services/playout/

Cheers,

Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5





On 9 Oct 2020, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

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There seems to be no attempt to make a decent presentation these days.

Many letters to the Radio Times complain about the insensitivity of continuity announcers crashing in on the end music and as for shrinking the credits!!!

 

Do you remember at TVC, we used to serve a spell in Quality Control, where the signal could be sampled from studio output right through to BH switching centre and off-air from the transmitter, if live.

 

None of that nowadays, I suppose.

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct  9 11:48:08 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 17:48:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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Talking of credits, there was recently some discussion about credits being truncated or else shrunk to minuscule sizes to allow presentation to display a graphic over half the screen.

While I disagree with those techniques, I can understand that there is a desire to promote forthcoming shows and although my disapproval remains, there can be some misguided reason for it. However my wife was recently watching a drama series on iPlayer and every episode abruptly stopped during the credits and clearly some time before the end of the credits. iPlayer then automatically tries to play the next episode.

Try as I can, I can?t think of any reason other than crass ineptitude mixed with discourtesy, why somebody decided to abruptly chop the end off each episode. There shouldn?t be any time pressure because the viewer has the option to spool forward if they want to skip the credits.  What?s the big problem in simply letting the programme stream until it actually finishes and fades to black?

Alan Taylor


>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 17:26, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> ?Dear Nick 
> Think you are a bit off beam here. The continuity suites are almost the same with a computer to stack the programmes and trailers plus a live announcer. When I went to Continuity it looked very familiar.
> I had a credit and as wasn?t much interested in my own but they are useful to young technicians and producers in providing work and seeing work. From musicians to camera teams they get work through credits
> I?m sure we all used to wait till the end to see which crew had their credit in the fish tank on TONIGHT with Cliff Michelmore.
> 
> Fondest best wishes 
> Just had to write in, no offence intended.
> Albert
> 
> 
>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 17:11, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> The brutal, if cynical, fact is that the only people interested in credits are those who are in them - and their Mums, maybe. I suspect the only reason they still exist at all is to give continuity announcers something to talk over.
>> Presentation - have you ever seen inside a Playout Centre? It?s not like It was when you and I were at the Beeb, Pat. Which of course is appalling. 
>> Have a look at  - redbeemedia.com/services/playout/
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> There seems to be no attempt to make a decent presentation these days.
>>> Many letters to the Radio Times complain about the insensitivity of continuity announcers crashing in on the end music and as for shrinking the credits!!!
>>>  
>>> Do you remember at TVC, we used to serve a spell in Quality Control, where the signal could be sampled from studio output right through to BH switching centre and off-air from the transmitter, if live.
>>>  
>>> None of that nowadays, I suppose.
>>>  
>>> Pat
>>>  
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 11:48:22 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 17:48:22 +0100
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If you fancy running your own channel, you can set one up for free 
(technically, anyway). CasparCG is a free system built by the Swedish 
version of the BBC.

https://casparcg.com/

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On 09/10/2020 17:25, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> Dear Nick
> Think you are a bit off beam here. The continuity suites are almost 
> the same with a computer to stack the programmes and trailers plus a 
> live announcer. When I went to Continuity it looked very familiar.
> I had a credit and as wasn?t much interested in my own but they are 
> useful to young technicians and producers in providing work and seeing 
> work. From musicians to camera teams they get work through credits
> I?m sure we all used to wait till the end to see which crew had their 
> credit in the fish tank on TONIGHT with Cliff Michelmore.
>
> Fondest best wishes
> Just had to write in, no offence intended.
> Albert
>
>
>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 17:11, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> The brutal, if cynical, fact is that the only people interested in 
>> credits are those who are in them - and their Mums, maybe. I suspect 
>> the only reason they still exist at all is to give continuity 
>> announcers something to talk over.
>> Presentation - have you ever seen inside a Playout Centre? It?s not 
>> like It was when you and I were at the Beeb, Pat. Which of course is 
>> appalling.
>> Have a look at ?-redbeemedia.com/services/playout/ 
>> <http://redbeemedia.com/services/playout/>
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 9 Oct 2020, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> There seems to be no attempt to make a decent presentation these days.
>>> Many letters to the Radio Times complain about the insensitivity of 
>>> continuity announcers crashing in on the end music and as for 
>>> shrinking the credits!!!
>>> Do you remember at TVC, we used to serve a spell in Quality Control, 
>>> where the signal could be sampled from studio output right through 
>>> to BH switching centre and off-air from the transmitter, if live.
>>> None of that nowadays, I suppose.
>>> Pat
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Oct  9 12:26:29 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 17:26:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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Credits provide an ?advert? to keep you in employment?

Ideally, yes of course. ?I didn?t expect everyone to agree, but why do the broadcasters (not just the Beeb) insist on squeezing credits as Pat says, or speeding them up so you can?t read them, or scroll them horizontally so that they just strobe illegibly, or talk over them so you can?t concentrate on them? Clearly someone thinks they are of little importance.
Throughout my freelance life, my work has always been ?who you know? or word-of-mouth. No-one has ever called and said they saw my name on a credit. In my experience, the key to continued employment is more a question of making a good impression on this job so that they want you back on the next.
I?m not suggesting that there should be no credits at all, but how effective is a fleeting screen credit for, say, a runner, camera trainee, sound assistant, genny operator, humble sound bod like me, etc., if there?s no contact info?
Cheers,
Nick.
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On 9 Oct 2020, at 17:29, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
As so many people are now freelance, with no guarantee of work after the current

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 09 October 2020 17:12
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not

The brutal, if cynical, fact is that the only people interested in credits are those who are in them - and their Mums, maybe. I suspect the only reason they still exist at all is to give continuity announcers something to talk over.
Presentation - have you ever seen inside a Playout Centre? It?s not like It was when you and I were at the Beeb, Pat. Which of course is appalling.
Have a look at  - redbeemedia.com/services/playout/
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


On 9 Oct 2020, at 11:34, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
?
There seems to be no attempt to make a decent presentation these days.
Many letters to the Radio Times complain about the insensitivity of continuity announcers crashing in on the end music and as for shrinking the credits!!!

Do you remember at TVC, we used to serve a spell in Quality Control, where the signal could be sampled from studio output right through to BH switching centre and off-air from the transmitter, if live.

None of that nowadays, I suppose.

Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Oct  9 13:13:44 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 19:13:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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Nick makes a valid point about there being no follow-up contact info,
but I will say that I like to see who has done the sound, as I probably know most people.
A favourite set of programmes that I watch are the ?fly-on-the-wall? police documentaries. Never a credit for sound, except for the re-recording mixers. As I know the latter, I had a word, and yes, the cameraman does it! Logically better, as getting in and out of a police car, rapidly, is easier for just one camera toting bloke. (I?ve done that on a pilot, with an unwieldy umbilical).
Also, crew lists are available on IMDb, which gets the info from production staff lists and end credits, I believe. 
But I concur that the average viewer or cinemagoer is not interested ? more really for us in the industry. Mind you, the feature side has killed that itself by putting absolutely everyone on the end, particularly with a large CGI dept.
To my mind, and experience, the one person who should always get a screen credit is the honeywagon driver ? first on location, and last to leave. A very valuable person, indeed!

Pat





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Credits provide an ?advert? to keep you in employment?

Ideally, yes of course. ?I didn?t expect everyone to agree, but why do the broadcasters (not just the Beeb) insist on squeezing credits as Pat says, or speeding them up so you can?t read them, or scroll them horizontally so that they just strobe illegibly, or talk over them so you can?t concentrate on them? Clearly someone thinks they are of little importance. 
Throughout my freelance life, my work has always been ?who you know? or word-of-mouth. No-one has ever called and said they saw my name on a credit. In my experience, the key to continued employment is more a question of making a good impression on this job so that they want you back on the next.
I?m not suggesting that there should be no credits at all, but how effective is a fleeting screen credit for, say, a runner, camera trainee, sound assistant, genny operator, humble sound bod like me, etc., if there?s no contact info?
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


On 9 Oct 2020, at 17:29, paul--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
As so many people are now freelance, with no guarantee of work after the current
?
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?
The brutal, if cynical, fact is that the only people interested in credits are those who are in them - and their Mums, maybe. I suspect the only reason they still exist at all is to give continuity announcers something to talk over. 



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  9 14:25:19 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 20:25:19 +0100
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On 09/10/2020 19:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> I had a word, and yes, the cameraman does it! Logically better, as 
> getting in and out of a police car, rapidly, is easier for just one 
> camera toting bloke.

It's likely these days, that the one person is camera, sound, 
producer/director, sequence editor and getter of coffees. ? We 
discovered back in the nineties that when you have a budget of ?8000 
instead of ?80,000 you can still make some things work quite well. 
Having one person doing a sensitive interview is much better than, say, 
four. Shooting a two camera interview in the back of a London cab with a 
couple VX1000s and ME66s is perfectly viable, and fly on the wall is 
much easier with your gun mic attached to your VX1000 by one of those 
flashgun mounts wedding photographers used to use - modern equivalents 
have that stuff built in.? There are times when you need experts and 
times when you don't.

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Oct 10 03:57:35 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 09:57:35 +0100
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On 09/10/2020 19:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> [Credits].....
>
> But I concur that the average viewer or cinemagoer is not interested ...
>
I agree with these comments, but I'm interested where the break comes.

Nobody buys a record or reads a book without knowing who the artist or 
author is - that credit is crucial to selling the thing.

Many producers and some directors add great value to a film - Brocolli, 
Welles, David Lean, Jean-Luc Godard, etc have amplified audiences, 
simply by having their name attached.? In a few other cases - possibly a 
writer or choreographer - you might be able to cite a name in the 
credits that would improve the chances of a successful piece of work, 
but not many.

So there is a cut-off point in who is seen as important. And I hate to 
say it, but that is probably correct. The credit for the minions needs 
to be somewhere for industry hiring, but it has no value for the great 
unwashed viewers.

Chris Woolf



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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Oct 10 04:20:03 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 10:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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They are probably more interesting (and Cheep TV) than yet another re 
cap of what you have already seen, will see in the next ep, saw in a 
previous ep etc? (Which is how meany programmes pad things out these days)

On 10/10/2020 09:57, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> On 09/10/2020 19:13, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> [Credits].....
>>
>> But I concur that the average viewer or cinemagoer is not interested ...
>>
> I agree with these comments, but I'm interested where the break comes.
>
> Nobody buys a record or reads a book without knowing who the artist or 
> author is - that credit is crucial to selling the thing.
>
> Many producers and some directors add great value to a film - 
> Brocolli, Welles, David Lean, Jean-Luc Godard, etc have amplified 
> audiences, simply by having their name attached.? In a few other cases 
> - possibly a writer or choreographer - you might be able to cite a 
> name in the credits that would improve the chances of a successful 
> piece of work, but not many.
>
> So there is a cut-off point in who is seen as important. And I hate to 
> say it, but that is probably correct. The credit for the minions needs 
> to be somewhere for industry hiring, but it has no value for the great 
> unwashed viewers.
>
> Chris Woolf
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Oct 10 11:22:59 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 17:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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Peter Neill wrote:

"The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that
seems to be beyond some directors."

This reminds me of something that used to happen at BH, London (in analog
days). Perhaps bloodymindedness has something to do with it?

I remember that, in the 1960s,  a Shipping Forecast was broadcast around
lunchtime on the Light Programme, but on long wave only. So the studio
first faded up a feed of Light Programme. In London Control Room, we had to
change the feed to the long wave transmitter from normal to the studio
output. The studio faded out the music programme at the appropriate time
and an announcer read the shipping forecast. Afterwards, the feed to the
transmitter was restored to normal. In the old (underground) London Control
Room, the switches were done by inserting jacks, and this worked perfectly.
However, in the new Control Room, which came into operation in 1961,
uniselectors were provided for routing programme material, and we were
supposed to do the Shipping Forecast switch using a uniselector. This
presented a problem, as the uniselector muted the signal for a fraction of
a second while it rotated between the normal feed of Light Programme and
the studio output.
You would think that the switches would be made during pauses, but the
attitude seemed to be: they have given us bad equipment, so we'll
demonstrate just how bad it can be. As a result, the switch was made while
music was playing and, when possible, during a long slow chord. At least,
that's what A shift did.
KW

On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 12:18, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem
> exists with London.
> I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce
> a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
> be right next time.
>
> The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that
> seems to be beyond some directors.
>
> Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is
> planned.
> With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is
> done there.
> Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be
> distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.
>
> Best
>
>
> Peter Neill
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5 Oct 2020, at 21:07, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> Its a poor system for putting the local news in. Jumps back when they
> switch them selves in and forward as they switch out. Prog levels match
> ,timing does not!
>
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> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Reply to:* j at howell61.f9.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
>
> Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous quarter
> second or missing the next?
>
> The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.
>
> On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay" became
> "o-o".   There were several
>
> more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening titles. What is
> gonig on??
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 10 12:28:08 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 18:28:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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On the Type II OB scanners, it was a common requirement to 'split the desk'.  This was typically done during a lengthy OB such as snooker or golf, where the output was continually recorded but sometimes live elements were transmitted.  One way of doing this was to use the matrix or routing buttons and select certain groups of microphones to go to the main output or not. A carefully timed press of the appropriate button would do the job nicely.

Here's a picture of the desk with an arrow showing the routing buttons. They are latching buttons; press them and they stick down with the signal routed accordingly, press them again and they pop up and deselect that output.




I can't remember the name of the particular sound supervisor or otherwise I would name him, but he was determined to switch the routing as rapidly as possible. In anticipation of the correct switching point, he half pressed the button, which meant that the signal remained routed, knowing that when he took his finger away, it would instantly snap back and deselect the output. Unfortunately, he got his timing wrong and the presenter continued to talk ... and talk .... and talk.  Obviously he couldn't take his finger off the button because the presenter would be cut from the transmission, so he had to keep that button pressed. 

If you look at the picture, you will observe that the button is quite small and tapered.  It's nice and easy to press the correct button without fat fingers disturbing neighbouring buttons, but if you have to keep pressing the button, the tiny end part soon starts digging in to your finger in a most painful manner. There were two options, one was to risk releasing the button and then rapidly pressing it again to latch it, hopefully during a pause in the speech. He took the other course of action and kept the button pressed until the end of that live insert. His fingertip probably still bears the impression of that button.

Alan Taylor




On 10 Oct 2020, at 10 Oct . 17:22, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Peter Neill wrote:
> 
> "The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors."
> 
> This reminds me of something that used to happen at BH, London (in analog days). Perhaps bloodymindedness has something to do with it? 
> 
> I remember that, in the 1960s,  a Shipping Forecast was broadcast around lunchtime on the Light Programme, but on long wave only. So the studio first faded up a feed of Light Programme. In London Control Room, we had to change the feed to the long wave transmitter from normal to the studio output. The studio faded out the music programme at the appropriate time and an announcer read the shipping forecast. Afterwards, the feed to the transmitter was restored to normal. In the old (underground) London Control Room, the switches were done by inserting jacks, and this worked perfectly. However, in the new Control Room, which came into operation in 1961, uniselectors were provided for routing programme material, and we were supposed to do the Shipping Forecast switch using a uniselector. This presented a problem, as the uniselector muted the signal for a fraction of a second while it rotated between the normal feed of Light Programme and the studio output. 
> You would think that the switches would be made during pauses, but the attitude seemed to be: they have given us bad equipment, so we'll demonstrate just how bad it can be. As a result, the switch was made while music was playing and, when possible, during a long slow chord. At least, that's what A shift did. 
> KW
> 
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 12:18, Peter Neill via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this problem exists with London. 
> I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably won?t
> be right next time.
> 
> The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but that seems to be beyond some directors.
> 
> Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system which is planned.
> With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all opting is done there.
> Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.
> 
> Best
> 
> 
> Peter Neill
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5 Oct 2020, at 21:07, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Its a poor system for putting the local news in. Jumps back when they switch them selves in and forward as they switch out. Prog levels match ,timing does not!
>> 
>> Paul Thackray
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 5 October 2020 20:07
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Reply to: j at howell61.f9.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
>> 
>> Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous quarter second or missing the next?
>> 
>> The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.
>> 
>> On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay" became  "o-o".   There were several
>> 
>> more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening titles. What is gonig on??
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 10 15:45:52 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2020 21:45:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Virus
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Hear, hear! Cheers, hic, Dave

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun Oct 11 05:27:15 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 11:27:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
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References: <r6tksvegsnqfd0pkg13akdvp.1601928424459@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<755A0DD5-C236-4F33-A549-15F9D7325F1B@icloud.com>
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Message-ID: <e7b42399-697b-8053-78f3-1dd421db2a22@pgtmedia.co.uk>

It proving how bad it was obviously worked as by the 70's (still 
analogue with uniselector routing) the TX routing was a system of make 
before break relays. You passed control from one con to the other. As 
long as the outputs matched, you got a brief paralleling, which you 
could not hear (Effectively it both halved the level & paralleled them 
to give twice as much so no difference, assuming both had the same 
output impedance)

It alowed you to drop to nothing, so the receiving Con had to accept 
before the? dropping Con released, otherwise it just went silent!

On 10/10/2020 17:22, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> Peter Neill wrote:
>
> "The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but 
> that seems to be beyond some directors."
>
> This reminds me of something that used to happen at BH, London (in 
> analog days). Perhaps bloodymindedness has something to do with it?
>
> I remember that, in the 1960s, ?a Shipping Forecast was broadcast 
> around lunchtime on the Light Programme, but on long wave only. So the 
> studio first faded up a feed of Light Programme. In London Control 
> Room, we had to change the feed to the long wave transmitter from 
> normal to the studio output. The studio faded out the music programme 
> at the appropriate time and an announcer read the shipping forecast. 
> Afterwards, the feed to the transmitter was restored to normal. In the 
> old (underground) London Control Room, the switches were done by 
> inserting jacks, and this worked perfectly. However, in the new 
> Control Room, which came into operation in 1961, uniselectors were 
> provided for routing programme material, and we were supposed to do 
> the Shipping Forecast switch using a uniselector. This presented a 
> problem, as the uniselector muted the signal for a fraction of a 
> second while it rotated between the normal feed of Light Programme and 
> the studio output.
> You would think that the switches would be made during pauses, but the 
> attitude seemed to be: they have given us bad equipment, so we'll 
> demonstrate just how bad it can be. As a result, the switch was made 
> while music was playing and, when possible, during a long slow chord. 
> At least, that's what A shift did.
> KW
>
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 at 12:18, Peter Neill via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Most regions manage the opt seamlessly but, for some reason this
>     problem exists with London.
>     I?m told that the transmission path timing is variable so if you
>     introduce a certain amount of delay in the direct path it probably
>     won?t
>     be right next time.
>
>     The operational solution is not to opt in the middle of a word but
>     that seems to be beyond some directors.
>
>     Long-term this should be fixed by the centralised opting system
>     which is planned.
>     With this the regions feed their contributions to London and all
>     opting is done there.
>     Everything needs to be sent to London now anyway so that it can be
>     distributed to Satellite broadcasters, iPlayer etc.
>
>     Best
>
>
>     Peter Neill
>
>
>
>
>
>>     On 5 Oct 2020, at 21:07, Paul Thackray via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Its a poor system for putting the local news in. Jumps back when
>>     they switch them selves in and forward as they switch out. Prog
>>     levels match ,timing does not!
>>
>>     Paul Thackray
>>
>>     PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>>     07802 243979
>>
>>     Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk <mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
>>
>>     Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk <http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk/>
>>
>>     Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>     <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746>
>>
>>     IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>     <http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/>
>>
>>     sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2
>>     Network
>>     *From:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *Sent:*5 October 2020 20:07
>>     *To:*tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *Reply to:*j at howell61.f9.co.uk <mailto:j at howell61.f9.co.uk>
>>     *Subject:*[Tech1] BBC Repeats-or not
>>
>>
>>     Am I the only one annoyed by BBC1 sound repeating the previous
>>     quarter second or missing the next?
>>
>>     The latter is more difficult to detect because it is.......missing.
>>
>>     On the 6 o'clock News this Monday evening Sophie Raworth's "okay"
>>     became? "o-o".?? There were several
>>
>>     more instances, in the weather forecast and in the opening
>>     titles. What is gonig on??
>>
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Mon Oct 12 06:11:28 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 12:11:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>

Many moons ago, I was talking to a retired Radio Three continuity 
announcer who, in his early days at the BBC covered all services - Home 
Service, Light Programme etc.

I asked him how the shipping forecast was read so that it exactly fitted 
five minutes, this was when it went out daily at 13.40 on LW. His reply 
was that if there was an over-run, then really it didn't matter as it 
was the start of Listen With Mother that was clipped and that was also 
going out on MW.

However, one day, he finished the report with '...and that is the end of 
the shipping forecast' and opted back to network. However, he had 
overrun slightly and what actually went out was '...and that is the end 
of the shipping forecast, sung by Peggy Lee'.

It was a Saturday and he had clipped the start of the Jack Jackson Show 
which started at 13.45. (Any one remember JJ shows. Prerecorded in the 
Canary Islands if I remember, and used cleverly edited sequences to link 
the records).

Dave Buckley

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 12 07:35:22 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 13:35:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>
	<c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>
Message-ID: <5f844d89.1c69fb81.65815.50ed@mx.google.com>

Dave Buckley wrote:

It was a Saturday and he had clipped the start of the Jack Jackson Show 
which started at 13.45. (Any one remember JJ shows. Prerecorded in the 
Canary Islands if I remember, and used cleverly edited sequences to link 
the records).

Yes, I enjoyed those. I gather JJ lived with a young lad who assembled
the material, but not much good as an editor ? it had to be redone by a BBC
Tape op to make it work! At least, that?s what I heard!

Pat


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Sent: 12 October 2020 12:11
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Oct 12 10:36:16 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 15:36:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <5f844d89.1c69fb81.65815.50ed@mx.google.com>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>
	<c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>,
	<5f844d89.1c69fb81.65815.50ed@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

My favourite radio continuity announcer faux-pas of all time dates from 1960. I wonder if anyone here remembers it, or knows of one better?
The then South African Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd had been the victim of an assignation attempt. An irate farmer shot him in the head, and the bullet had ricoche?ed around inside his skull and left through his temple. Amazingly, it didn?t kill him, but it was obviously touch and go whether he was going to survive, so there were frequent news updates about his progress. The one I distinctly remember hearing, ended with: ?There will be another bulletin tomorrow?.
He did survive, but was stabbed to death six years later.

Got a better one??
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Oct 2020, at 13:35, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Dave Buckley wrote:

It was a Saturday and he had clipped the start of the Jack Jackson Show
which started at 13.45. (Any one remember JJ shows. Prerecorded in the
Canary Islands if I remember, and used cleverly edited sequences to link
the records).

Yes, I enjoyed those. I gather JJ lived with a young lad who assembled
the material, but not much good as an editor ? it had to be redone by a BBC
Tape op to make it work! At least, that?s what I heard!

Pat


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Sent: 12 October 2020 12:11
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 12 10:46:41 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:46:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>
	<c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>,
	<5f844d89.1c69fb81.65815.50ed@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5f847a61.1c69fb81.e1df5.d6ca@mx.google.com>

Yes I remember that story, maybe it circulated after the attempt on Kennedy?s life, as well.
I still like the one from a very young continuity announcer lass who said:
?The time is ten past twelve Greenwich. Meantime.....?
Pat 

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 12 October 2020 16:36
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast

My favourite radio continuity announcer faux-pas of all time dates from 1960. I wonder if anyone here remembers it, or knows of one better? 
The then South African Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd had been the victim of an assignation attempt. An irate farmer shot him in the head, and the bullet had ricoche?ed around inside his skull and left through his temple. Amazingly, it didn?t kill him, but it was obviously touch and go whether he was going to survive, so there were frequent news updates about his progress. The one I distinctly remember hearing, ended with: ?There will be another bulletin tomorrow?.
He did survive, but was stabbed to death six years later.

Got a better one??
Nick.
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon Oct 12 10:48:48 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:48:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>	<c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>,
	<5f844d89.1c69fb81.65815.50ed@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <018801d6a0af$2d11f1c0$8735d540$@gmail.com>

Probably assassination rather than a destination

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 12 October 2020 16:36
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast

 

My favourite radio continuity announcer faux-pas of all time dates from 1960. I wonder if anyone here remembers it, or knows of one better? 

The then South African Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd had been the victim of an assignation attempt. An irate farmer shot him in the head, and the bullet had ricoche?ed around inside his skull and left through his temple. Amazingly, it didn?t kill him, but it was obviously touch and go whether he was going to survive, so there were frequent news updates about his progress. The one I distinctly remember hearing, ended with: ?There will be another bulletin tomorrow?.

He did survive, but was stabbed to death six years later.

 

Got a better one??
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5





On 12 Oct 2020, at 13:35, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? 

Dave Buckley wrote:

 

It was a Saturday and he had clipped the start of the Jack Jackson Show 

which started at 13.45. (Any one remember JJ shows. Prerecorded in the 

Canary Islands if I remember, and used cleverly edited sequences to link 

the records).

 

Yes, I enjoyed those. I gather JJ lived with a young lad who assembled

the material, but not much good as an editor ? it had to be redone by a BBC

Tape op to make it work! At least, that?s what I heard!

 

Pat

 

 

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Oct 12 10:54:41 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:54:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com><c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>,
	<5f844d89.1c69fb81.65815.50ed@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5AC3603928EA404591E8F2B5F1D770CB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Assignation attempt? Quite a lot of mine failed as well. Never got to try an assassination on anyone though, God knows, in the present climate one or two candidates come to mind!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, October 12, 2020 4:36 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast

My favourite radio continuity announcer faux-pas of all time dates from 1960. I wonder if anyone here remembers it, or knows of one better? 
The then South African Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd had been the victim of an assignation attempt. An irate farmer shot him in the head, and the bullet had ricoche?ed around inside his skull and left through his temple. Amazingly, it didn?t kill him, but it was obviously touch and go whether he was going to survive, so there were frequent news updates about his progress. The one I distinctly remember hearing, ended with: ?There will be another bulletin tomorrow?.
He did survive, but was stabbed to death six years later.

Got a better one??
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


  On 12 Oct 2020, at 13:35, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Dave Buckley wrote:

   

  It was a Saturday and he had clipped the start of the Jack Jackson Show 

  which started at 13.45. (Any one remember JJ shows. Prerecorded in the 

  Canary Islands if I remember, and used cleverly edited sequences to link 

  the records).

   

  Yes, I enjoyed those. I gather JJ lived with a young lad who assembled

  the material, but not much good as an editor ? it had to be redone by a BBC

  Tape op to make it work! At least, that?s what I heard!

   

  Pat

   

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: Dave Buckley via Tech1
  Sent: 12 October 2020 12:11
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast

   

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From Waresound at msn.com  Mon Oct 12 11:00:02 2020
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 16:00:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <018801d6a0af$2d11f1c0$8735d540$@gmail.com>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>
	<c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>,
	<5f844d89.1c69fb81.65815.50ed@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB0863CDE650A45862932DD687A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
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Message-ID: <VE1P189MB086373E5053D560C4509B319A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dave D points out that I probably meant assassination, not assignation!. I totally blame that on iOS annoyingly thinking it knows best!
Thanks, Dave.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 12 Oct 2020, at 16:48, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
Probably assassination rather than a destination
Dave D

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 12 October 2020 16:36
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast

My favourite radio continuity announcer faux-pas of all time dates from 1960. I wonder if anyone here remembers it, or knows of one better?
The then South African Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd had been the victim of an assignation attempt. An irate farmer shot him in the head, and the bullet had ricoche?ed around inside his skull and left through his temple. Amazingly, it didn?t kill him, but it was obviously touch and go whether he was going to survive, so there were frequent news updates about his progress. The one I distinctly remember hearing, ended with: ?There will be another bulletin tomorrow?.
He did survive, but was stabbed to death six years later.

Got a better one??
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Oct 12 12:20:55 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 18:20:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB086373E5053D560C4509B319A7070@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>
	<c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54@sky.com>
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Message-ID: <4DFDE5AD-DD25-4401-A132-8B49924546C2@btinternet.com>

I remember Charlotte Green R4 News headlines giggling when she read testimony from the Trial of Jeremy Thorpe
Norman Scott biting his pillow when Jeremy first seduced him..
I had to stop my BBC Sierra on the M4 to contain myself.

> On 12 Oct 2020, at 17:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dave D points out that I probably meant assassination, not assignation!. I totally blame that on iOS annoyingly thinking it knows best!
> Thanks, Dave.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2020, at 16:48, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com <mailto:ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> Probably assassination rather than a destination
>> Dave D
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
>> Sent: 12 October 2020 16:36
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
>>  
>> My favourite radio continuity announcer faux-pas of all time dates from 1960. I wonder if anyone here remembers it, or knows of one better?
>> The then South African Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd had been the victim of an assignation attempt. An irate farmer shot him in the head, and the bullet had ricoche?ed around inside his skull and left through his temple. Amazingly, it didn?t kill him, but it was obviously touch and go whether he was going to survive, so there were frequent news updates about his progress. The one I distinctly remember hearing, ended with: ?There will be another bulletin tomorrow?.
>> He did survive, but was stabbed to death six years later.
>>  
>> Got a better one??
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Oct 12 13:03:29 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 19:03:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
In-Reply-To: <4DFDE5AD-DD25-4401-A132-8B49924546C2@btinternet.com>
References: <c2ff635e-4fc3-ca31-cb21-be9eee567c54.ref@sky.com>
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Message-ID: <754EF788-5DF1-4E93-B12A-BD136B6DAB43@me.com>

This story isn't anything to do with the shipping forecast, but was an unfortunate choice of words all the same.  It's rather rude, so those with a sensitive nature might prefer to stop reading at this point.


Well, for all those of you with a mucky mind, a national radio DJ did a quiz on his afternoon radio show, taking advantage of those new fangled fax machines which were becoming ubiquitous in offices at that time.  The idea of the quiz was that two friends who work in different towns phone in, one of them had to be close to a fax machine.  That one was faxed a list of ten words and they had to provide clues for their friend to guess each word without using that word in the clue.  I was driving around the suburbs of Bristol at that time and other drivers ended up laughing uncontrollably at how things developed, as did the people in the studio.

On this particular afternoon, the mystery words were on a theme of animals. She reached the point where she had to gives a clue for "Ants" and said "You might find this animal in my pants".  

There was a bit of a pause and her friend cautiously guessed "Beaver".  You could clearly hear the laughter in the studio, but the DJ just managed to regain enough composure to say "No - this animal a bit smaller than that".

Long pause at the other end, then in a somewhat hesitant manner the friend suggested "Pussy???".  


Alan Taylor







On 12 Oct 2020, at 12 Oct . 18:20, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I remember Charlotte Green R4 News headlines giggling when she read testimony from the Trial of Jeremy Thorpe
> Norman Scott biting his pillow when Jeremy first seduced him..
> I had to stop my BBC Sierra on the M4 to contain myself.
> 
>> On 12 Oct 2020, at 17:00, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Dave D points out that I probably meant assassination, not assignation!. I totally blame that on iOS annoyingly thinking it knows best!
>> Thanks, Dave.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 12 Oct 2020, at 16:48, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Probably assassination rather than a destination
>>> Dave D
>>>  
>>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
>>> Sent: 12 October 2020 16:36
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Shipping Forecast
>>>  
>>> My favourite radio continuity announcer faux-pas of all time dates from 1960. I wonder if anyone here remembers it, or knows of one better?
>>> The then South African Prime Minister, Dr Hendrik Verwoerd had been the victim of an assignation attempt. An irate farmer shot him in the head, and the bullet had ricoche?ed around inside his skull and left through his temple. Amazingly, it didn?t kill him, but it was obviously touch and go whether he was going to survive, so there were frequent news updates about his progress. The one I distinctly remember hearing, ended with: ?There will be another bulletin tomorrow?.
>>> He did survive, but was stabbed to death six years later.
>>>  
>>> Got a better one??
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Oct 12 16:42:50 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 22:42:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The truth?
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 12 17:39:13 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 23:39:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The truth?
In-Reply-To: <53414310-E521-49B9-B955-5F04387EAE56@mac.com>
References: <53414310-E521-49B9-B955-5F04387EAE56@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5f84db11.1c69fb81.9df81.1506@mx.google.com>

This must have come from the UK?
Yanks would have said: ?Who?s Nellie??
Or, What?s an elephant!
P


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Oct 13 06:17:19 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2020 12:17:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The truth?
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Elephants are Republicans, apparently.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 12 Oct 2020, at 23:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This must have come from the UK?
> Yanks would have said: ?Who?s Nellie??
> Or, What?s an elephant!
> P
>  
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> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From jabberment at louisbarfe.com  Fri Oct 16 10:21:22 2020
From: jabberment at louisbarfe.com (Louis Barfe)
Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 16:21:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Morecambe and Wise
Message-ID: <30c51c25-9dfb-f586-97b1-2ad6baa1a177@louisbarfe.com>

I appear to be writing another book. Apologies. This time the subject is 
Morecambe and Wise. The subject has been done many times, but I've 
managed to find a couple of things that have eluded previous 
biographers, thank goodness.

I've just sent an email to Stuart Lindley regarding the joke that made 
him laugh all through rehearsals, to find out which joke it was. It then 
occurred to me it might be a good idea to ask on here if anyone else has 
any cherished memories of working with Eric, Ernie, Johnny A and Ernest 
M that they'd be happy to share?

All the best,
Louis


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From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net  Mon Oct 19 17:32:32 2020
From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:32:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The truth?
In-Reply-To: <6EE04304-340F-4FBD-BFD0-1FC7D71B80B3@icloud.com>
References: <53414310-E521-49B9-B955-5F04387EAE56@mac.com>	<5f84db11.1c69fb81.9df81.1506@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <000601d6a667$bca7e390$35f7aab0$@talktalk.net>

Has it all gone quiet or have I fallen off the list?

 Nothing for 6 days.

Alex Thomas

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To: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
Cc: Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The truth?

Elephants are Republicans, apparently.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 12 Oct 2020, at 23:39, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This must have come from the UK?
> Yanks would have said: ?Who?s Nellie??
> Or, What?s an elephant!
> P
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
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> To: Tech Ops
> Subject: [Tech1] The truth?
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Oct 19 17:40:05 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2020 23:40:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
Message-ID: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>



------------------------------------------------------------------------
A true story! Cheers, Dave


/Who said Americans were arrogant?/

The following is the transcript of an actual radio conversation in 
October 1995, between a US Navy ship and the British authorities off the 
north coast of Scotland. The transcript was
released by the MoD on the 10/10/95 .

BRITISH: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid 
collision.

US Navy: ?Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the North to 
avoid collision

BRITISH: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the 
South to avoid collision

US Navy: ?This is the Captain of US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR 
course.

BRITISH: Negative. I say again, divert your course.

US Navy: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER 'USS LINCOLN' THE SECOND LARGEST 
SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES? ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE 
DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. WE DEMAND THAT 
YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR 
COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP

BRITISH: We are a lighthouse, sod off

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Oct 19 18:02:40 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 00:02:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7EC8C4AB8EE640AEBAD9FBFA78260D1B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Was Admiral Trump at the helm of USS Lincoln?

Dave Newbitt.

From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 11:40 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard 
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!





--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

A true story! Cheers, Dave




Who said Americans were arrogant?

The following is the transcript of an actual radio conversation in October 1995, between a US Navy ship and the British authorities off the north coast of Scotland. The transcript was 
released by the MoD on the 10/10/95 .

BRITISH: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision.

US Navy:  Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the North to avoid collision

BRITISH: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision

US Navy:  This is the Captain of US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

BRITISH: Negative. I say again, divert your course.

US Navy: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER 'USS LINCOLN' THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES? ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. WE DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP




BRITISH: We are a lighthouse, sod off



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 20 02:41:38 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
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For your amusement, someone made Dave?s story into a film sketch.
(attached)
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 19 October 2020 23:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!




A true story! Cheers, Dave


?
Who said Americans were arrogant?

The following is the transcript of an actual radio conversation in October 1995, between a US Navy ship and the British authorities off the north coast of Scotland. The transcript was 
released by the MoD on the 10/10/95 .

BRITISH: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision.

US Navy: ?Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the North to avoid collision

BRITISH: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision

US Navy: ?This is the Captain of US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

BRITISH: Negative. I say again, divert your course.

US Navy: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER 'USS LINCOLN' THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES? ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. WE DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP
?
BRITISH: We are a lighthouse, sod off



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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Tue Oct 20 03:52:29 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 09:52:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
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Funny but sadly not true.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-obstinate-lighthouse/

 

Rob

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 20 October 2020 08:42
To: dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil <phil at philwthomas.plus.com>; Pete <pete.m.thomas456 at gmail.com>; Dave <daidor24 at wendoveremail.co.uk>; Dave <d.cjennings at btinternet.com>; Richard <richard.hipkin at sky.com>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans!

 

For your amusement, someone made Dave?s story into a film sketch.

(attached)

Pat

 

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Sent: 19 October 2020 23:40
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Subject: [Tech1] Americans!

 

 

 



A true story! Cheers, Dave

 

 

 

Who said Americans were arrogant?

The following is the transcript of an actual radio conversation in October 1995, between a US Navy ship and the British authorities off the north coast of Scotland. The transcript was 
released by the MoD on the 10/10/95 .

BRITISH: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision.

US Navy:  Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the North to avoid collision

BRITISH: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision

US Navy:  This is the Captain of US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

BRITISH: Negative. I say again, divert your course.

US Navy: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER 'USS LINCOLN' THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES? ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. WE DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP

 

BRITISH: We are a lighthouse, sod off

 

 

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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Oct 20 03:56:05 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 08:56:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>,
	<5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Of course though, the dithering British could have been more specific in the first line.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 20 Oct 2020, at 08:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
For your amusement, someone made Dave?s story into a film sketch.
(attached)
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 19 October 2020 23:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>; Phil<mailto:phil at philwthomas.plus.com>; Pete<mailto:pete.m.thomas456 at gmail.com>; Dave<mailto:daidor24 at wendoveremail.co.uk>; Dave<mailto:d.cjennings at btinternet.com>; Richard<mailto:richard.hipkin at sky.com>
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!




A true story! Cheers, Dave




Who said Americans were arrogant?

The following is the transcript of an actual radio conversation in October 1995, between a US Navy ship and the British authorities off the north coast of Scotland. The transcript was
released by the MoD on the 10/10/95 .

BRITISH: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision.

US Navy:  Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the North to avoid collision

BRITISH: Negative. You will have to divert your course 15 degrees to the South to avoid collision

US Navy:  This is the Captain of US Navy ship. I say again, divert YOUR course.

BRITISH: Negative. I say again, divert your course.

US Navy: THIS IS THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER 'USS LINCOLN' THE SECOND LARGEST SHIP IN THE UNITED STATES? ATLANTIC FLEET. WE ARE ACCOMPANIED BY THREE DESTROYERS, THREE CRUISERS AND NUMEROUS SUPPORT VESSELS. WE DEMAND THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR COURSE 15 DEGREES NORTH, THAT'S 15 DEGREES NORTH, OR COUNTER MEASURES WILL BE UNDERTAKEN TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF THIS SHIP



BRITISH: We are a lighthouse, sod off



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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 20 04:43:01 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:43:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
	<5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>

In article
<VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0 at VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Of course though, the dithering British could have been more specific in
> the first line.

Isn't it normal to identify yourself when sending the first message?

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 20 05:18:03 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:18:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
	<5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <c1c59599-23ad-adba-865f-2b97943f7032@gmail.com>

This one is true -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILop3Kn3JO8

B



On 20/10/2020 10:43, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article
> <VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0 at VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
>     Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Of course though, the dithering British could have been more specific in
>> the first line.
> Isn't it normal to identify yourself when sending the first message?
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Oct 20 05:29:21 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 10:29:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
	<5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB08633DF56490A452A854397BA71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Yes, but then the joke wouldn?t work ;-)

Over the last few days I was beginning to think that my MSN mail server was broken, as I suddenly starting being bombarded with Bitcoin junk mail, weight-loss products, Beautiful Russian girls waiting for me, Viagra online, Tax rebates - you name it. up to 60 per day. meanwhile nothing from you lovely lot! I haven?t used MSN for anything other than TechOps for donkey?s years. Bizarre.
Cheers,
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 20 Oct 2020, at 10:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article
> <VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0 at VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
>   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Of course though, the dithering British could have been more specific in
>> the first line.
> 
> Isn't it normal to identify yourself when sending the first message?
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 20 07:18:43 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:18:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB08633DF56490A452A854397BA71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
	<5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
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	<58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <58c264dd58davesound@btinternet.com>

In article
<VE1P189MB08633DF56490A452A854397BA71F0 at VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Over the last few days I was beginning to think that my MSN mail server
> was broken, as I suddenly starting being bombarded with Bitcoin junk
> mail, weight-loss products, Beautiful Russian girls waiting for me,
> Viagra online, Tax rebates - you name it. up to 60 per day. meanwhile
> nothing from you lovely lot! I haven?t used MSN for anything other than
> TechOps for donkey?s years. Bizarre.

MSN? It's just plain ol' email here. Have you given up on that too?

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From david.jasma at sky.com  Tue Oct 20 08:40:10 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 14:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] airspeed etc.
References: <72ff4cfd-c4d5-70a6-1ff1-42295dc066ca.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <72ff4cfd-c4d5-70a6-1ff1-42295dc066ca@sky.com>

Bernie's post about airspeed requests reminds me of a newspaper report I 
read years ago about a policeman checking speeds on a road in the 
Yorkshire Hills and Dales.

Suddenly, his radar gun went to 300 mph and locked itself. It was only 
when he got back to base that the reason became apparent. The OIC of the 
local RAF base phoned up and asked who had been targetting one of their 
aircraft which had been on a low level training flight and had had their 
anti-missile radar triggered by the speed gun!! The anti-missile radar 
then jammed the speed gun.

The other aircraft story I remember comes from a book by Anthony Smith, 
the naturalist and keen hot air balloonist.

He was in a balloon flying under Gatwick ATC. The balloon was coming in 
to land and the messages between the balloon and ATC went along the 
following lines...

"(Balloon callsign) Gatwick, we are about to land."
"Gatwick, received."

Just then there was a gust of wind and the balloon bounced back into the 
air.

"(Callsign) Gatwick, we've taken off again."
" Gatwick received. (pause) All traffic (callsign) is a balloon!"
 From another aircraft on the same frequency came the response "I was 
wondering."


Dave Buckley


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 20 09:05:54 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:05:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB08633DF56490A452A854397BA71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
	<5f8e94b6.1c69fb81.294f6.3f5d@mx.google.com>
	<VE1P189MB08639CDA5598BA903CE09214A71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>
	<VE1P189MB08633DF56490A452A854397BA71F0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5f8eeec2.1c69fb81.704d3.7b4d@mx.google.com>

Well, Nick, Beautiful Russian girls ? could be a chance for you to wear your splendid furry hat in bed! Maybe take advantage of the Viagra offer, too?
Pat
(P.S. How much was the V ? it?s quite pricey from my pharmacist?)

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 20 October 2020 11:29
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans!

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 20 09:11:05 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 15:11:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] airspeed etc.
In-Reply-To: <72ff4cfd-c4d5-70a6-1ff1-42295dc066ca@sky.com>
References: <72ff4cfd-c4d5-70a6-1ff1-42295dc066ca.ref@sky.com>
	<72ff4cfd-c4d5-70a6-1ff1-42295dc066ca@sky.com>
Message-ID: <5f8eeff9.1c69fb81.2ef22.868e@mx.google.com>

A lady friend had attended Lancaster University, and tells a tale of one of the tutors who had an MG and RAF-style tache.
Got pulled over for speeding, and the officer kindly enquired:
?Having trouble taking off, are we??

Pat 

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From: Dave Buckley via Tech1
Sent: 20 October 2020 14:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] airspeed etc.

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From david.jasma at sky.com  Tue Oct 20 10:21:33 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 16:21:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
References: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc@sky.com>

Further to the original posts and the film about the ship asking a 
lighthouse to move, my wife, who's Scottish, commented that the voice 
from the lighthouse should have had a Scottish accent, probably from the 
Western Islands!

Dave Buckley

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 20 10:53:53 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 16:53:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc@sky.com>
References: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc.ref@sky.com>
	<a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc@sky.com>
Message-ID: <5f8f0811.1c69fb81.23312.bd48@mx.google.com>

As a side issue, I had the dubious experience of going out to Ailsa Craig, where it?s quarried for the granite from which to make curling stones. As this competition had been added to the Olympic agenda, the US channel I was working for, wanted to make a profile film. A need for a piece to camera meant being THERE! It was drizzling, which played havoc with the range of my radio mics.
This lump of rock had two huge foghorns either end, to stop ships bumping into it!
One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!
Pat

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From: Dave Buckley via Tech1
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:21
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Americans

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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue Oct 20 14:22:36 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 19:22:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans!
In-Reply-To: <58c264dd58davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <2ef96fb7-2cfc-51c9-8efc-e690842502ea@btinternet.com>
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	<58c2569c93davesound@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <GkisuHEwKsY0E7ekt18esNZmzYpuSDQuBeJSwMmTaC6KX7Ln0TNO9HJipnfq-XfYDgTpXUO32b-_ghf-BuyOXbAJtXQLZzwWWY2ZspBPfNY=@protonmail.com>

I was thinking the same, but then I only use this proton mail account for tech ops, and the MSN for other things, and the amount of spam has built up enormously, especially for the exotic Russian (or Asian) girls, with armloads of viagra to help ease your aching joints especially knees (why knees I want to know) and a plethora of other spurious nonsense.

My reason for emailing you this is to ask - does ANYONE ever fall for this old garbage these days?

TeaTeaFN - Tony


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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 05:19:38 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 11:19:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Honey Badgers
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJn=yo6GiVDqEvx-_gYgDpY39Yec8WvZTy9PD1N1ghuPNA@mail.gmail.com>

Some video clips I'm sent are interesting, but this one I found amazing.
It's from a BBC programme, so apologies if you've already seen it.

https://youtu.be/c36UNSoJenI

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct 21 05:27:25 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:27:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <5f8f0811.1c69fb81.23312.bd48@mx.google.com>
References: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc.ref@sky.com>
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Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863E8D11F3CE5B6210431B4A71C0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Discuss:
Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct 21 05:42:07 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 10:42:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Formats!
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863E92C3A8B65F6FEA353E1A71C0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?m often criticised for moaning about people who shoot video on their phones in ?upright? format, and also for drama productions shot in ridiculous widescreen format, shown on TV with black waste screen area top and bottom, tops of heads cut off for no good reason.
However, I have just discovered that sometimes only ?upright? will do!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j16kjfEmtg
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From relong at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 21 08:50:03 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:50:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB0863E8D11F3CE5B6210431B4A71C0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc.ref@sky.com>
	<a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc@sky.com>
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Message-ID: <458E0CF8-D20F-47E4-9147-4A076F2D2DF2@btinternet.com>

Full Circle with Micheal Palin is on BBC4 at the moment
They were away for a year.
I asked Steve Robinson who was on that trip how they all got on
He said it was actually 5 trips, the worst bit marooned in Bolivia in tents by a muddy river.
The last leg was the longest ,14 weeks in the Americas, they were knackered at the end, on automatic.
But they all got on, and they went to some great places like Vladivostok  and the Kola penisula and Aleutians that I always wanted to see.
The only other cameraman I know who went to the Aleutians was Martin Sunders when he was doing Albatross.
I loved traveling, harder than filming many times, but well worth it in the age before mass tourism.
Roger

> On 21 Oct 2020, at 11:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Discuss:
> Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>> Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!
>> Pat
>>  
>> 
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From brian at summershome.co.uk  Wed Oct 21 08:56:18 2020
From: brian at summershome.co.uk (Brian Summers)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 14:56:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC MCR21 outside broadcast van progress report
Message-ID: <004601d6a7b1$f5b9e8e0$e12dbaa0$@summershome.co.uk>

Hello all, many of you will already know about Our project

We are currently restoring a historic BBC Outside Broadcast van, MCR21, when
finished it will go on public display, hopefully first at Amberley Chalk
Pits Museum, and later in other places becoming we hope and artefact of
national significance. 

Our Trust, is a small and relativity new organisation run by the trustees
and a band of volunteers. We have received support from many institutions
including the National Lottery Heritage Fund & the BBC (but no cash!). 

Our project MCR21, to give it its BBC designation, will soon be leaving the
vehicle restorers where it is having some body work restoration and a new
coat of paint. We will then start the interior restoration work, refitting
the vintage 1963 television equipment. 

Now can you help! 

We are looking for volunteers in the Reading - Camberley - Guilford areas
who might like to take on the construction or restoration of an item of
equipment or who could bring skills to the project like metalworking,
woodworking, internal painting & cleaning and of course wiring. There is a
lot of co-ax cables and mains cables to make up in the vintage 1963 ways. 

Another area where we need help is finding a suitable indoor facility were
this work can take place in the dry over winter. Our requirements are
modest; reasonable security, a supply of electricity and in the Camberley
area. To visualise MCR21 is the size of a medium bus, 7.5m long, 3.75m tall
and 2.5m wide. 

Ideally we would wish to find an enthusiastic sponsor who would provide us
with a space to accommodate MCR21 and a little working area around it. We do
have a sponsors page on our website:- http://mcr21.org.uk/our-supporters/ 

Our time frame for this part of the work is hard to predict, MCR21 should be
ready to move in the next month or so and we expect the interior work to
take some 5-7 months when it would move to the first of its public museum
displays. 

Finally there is Fundraising!
Fundraising is an ongoing problem, although we do have a grant from the
Heritage Lottery Fund it does not cover the full costs and then there is the
ongoing future funding to consider. One of our volunteers has been doing a
sterling job, selling donated and SK equipment but more help is still
needed. If you feel able to make a donation, become a "friend", or have
expertise in say crowdfunding please get in touch. 

Donations web page http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/donate/ 

Useful links:-

https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/research/mcr21 
https://mailchi.mp/bf888e864f96/mcr2...r?e=a1e6cf3493
<https://mailchi.mp/bf888e864f96/mcr21-project-newsletter?e=a1e6cf3493>  Our
Newsletter.
www.mcr21.org.uk <http://www.mcr21.org.uk>  

 

Best Regards 

Brian Summers 
Broadcast Television Technology Trust
Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333

Camberley, England. 
  
Contact Email  <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk> brian at mcr21.org.uk 
Find out more  <http://www.mcr21.org.uk/> www.mcr21.org.uk |
<http://www.bttt.org.uk/> www.bttt.org.uk 
Support us         <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/donate/> Make a
Donation |  <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/volunteer/> Become a Volunteer
Phone (+44) 01276677879 



 

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 14:30:26 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:30:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB0863E8D11F3CE5B6210431B4A71C0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I think it takes a particular type of person to be happy to stay away 
from home for long periods, and a particular type of wife. In the army 
and navy the wives get together to look after each other, especially the 
young ones. Don't know if crew wives do that.

Personally, I only find any travel fun if it's for a short time. The 
longest I've been away was seven weeks in Alnwick, at the hospital for 
Morning Surgery. We all went home at the weekends to our families.? I 
had quite a few tedious short trips - often as producer I went somewhere 
early before the crew, to prepare. After a while one place was much like 
another - try to find a restaurant and eat alone, and go back to the 
hotel hoping there'd be something good on the TV.

None of the many trips had the work satisfaction as a live studio show, 
or as producer - "We'll play this in straight from the edit" or " Don't 
worry, there's still 30 seconds, reset VT".

B



On 21/10/2020 11:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Discuss:
> Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and 
> loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for 
> weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and 
> as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>>
>> Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is 
>> about!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 21 18:06:46 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:06:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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I?m with you on that one, Bernie. Though I envy the people like Pat for all the amazing places they were able to visit in the course of duty that were off limits to the general public, I?m too much of a home loving person to have gone for that lifestyle myself.
The longest I was away from home was for about six weeks for the trip to Australia for the Sydney Olympics in 2000 which I was fortunate enough to have the opportunity to do as part of the studio team. I had a stopover in KL for three nights on the way out to see something of the city and surrounding area, including a trip to the rubber plantations to see how the latex was bled from the trees like we were told about at school. Afterwards I stayed on afterwards to do the touristy bit of Australia, including Katoomba and the Jamieson Valley, Brisbane and the Lamington National Park, Alice Springs and the Red Centre with a climb up Ayers Rock which I think even in normal times you can no longer do; the Great Barrier Reef where I scared myself rigid when snorkelling by diving too deep and surfaced gasping for air and thinking how easily I could?ve drowned. The thought of it still makes me shudder as does the possibility of an encounter with one of the native nasties, like a funnel web spider or a box jellyfish.
The trip was fabulous but I was glad to have had a newly acquired mobile phone (my first) so I could keep in touch with home. While at the IBC we could do emails but I?m sure those of you who were there remember, perhaps with mirth, that it could take twenty minutes to get a connection to the UK. I hope it?s improved by now.
While I was glad to have done it and to have the memories, I would not have sought to repeat it on a regular or too frequent a basis. It?s good that some of you relished it so as to help bring the pictures and sound to our screens and speakers and thanks for your stories,
Geoff

> On 21 Oct 2020, at 20:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I think it takes a particular type of person to be happy to stay away from home for long periods, and a particular type of wife. In the army and navy the wives get together to look after each other, especially the young ones. Don't know if crew wives do that.
> 
> Personally, I only find any travel fun if it's for a short time.  The longest I've been away was seven weeks in Alnwick, at the hospital for Morning Surgery. We all went home at the weekends to our families.  I had quite a few tedious short trips - often as producer I went somewhere early before the crew, to prepare. After a while one place was much like another - try to find a restaurant and eat alone, and go back to the hotel hoping there'd be something good on the TV. 
> 
> None of the many trips had the work satisfaction as a live studio show, or as producer - "We'll play this in straight from the edit" or " Don't worry, there's still 30 seconds, reset VT".
> 
> B
> 
>  
> 
> On 21/10/2020 11:27, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Discuss:
>> Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>>> Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>> 
>> 
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct 22 03:19:11 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:19:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863298CAFC222D2091901D5A71D0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

At 14.15 today we are expecting a retired British Airways 747 arriving into Dunsfold Aerodrome from Cardiff. Dunsfold has quite a short runway, so should be interesting. The only snag is, they are only allowing people there who have a genuine reason to be there, no spectators (Dunsfold is pretty much an industrial estate these days, and of course, Top Gear location base).
For anyone so inclined, the best viewpoint is going to be at the top of Hascombe Hill.
Reason for coming here? It?s to be there permanently for use as a film set, apparently.

Dunsfold is a historic place, but amidst much controversy it looks as though planners will win through and build (from memory) eleven hundred new houses, shops, medical centre, etc., with no local road improvements to accomodate the extra traffic.

I remember as a schoolboy, seeing Hawker Hunters leaving Dunsfold, turning south over our ?glider bank?, then heading down to the south coast, and the sonic boom as they broke through the sound barrier. The school was on a south-facing hill, so we got a grandstand view. Test pilot Neville Duke came to give a talk at our (boarding) school, and I got to ?model? his flying suit, which unsurprisingly, was rather too big for me!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From doug at puddifoot.me  Thu Oct 22 03:27:28 2020
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:27:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] New Scam
Message-ID: <2xbw274fb00i5yp5sysc267t.1603355248924@email.android.com>

Today I got a scam text on my mobile I had not come across before. It gave me a "Shop Pay" code. It was from a premium pay short code, 62884.
It would cost up to ?5 to text back and find who it was from. I'm sure  many people worried that their bank account has been hacked have done that.  Internet lookup showed multiple searches for 62884.
Doug

From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 03:37:02 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:37:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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My local airfield is Kemble
They have 10 -15 747s at present ,all lined up on the Peri Track.
A friend in the next village to us converts Passenger 747 to Freight, no mean job with a hinged nose for access
Most will be stripped down 
Their engines are in demand and lie on air freight able pallets
Its a sad sight, similar to tankers on the beach in Bangladesh at Coxs Bazzar, though nowhere near as hazardous for the scrappers.

> On 22 Oct 2020, at 09:19, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> At 14.15 today we are expecting a retired British Airways 747 arriving into Dunsfold Aerodrome from Cardiff. Dunsfold has quite a short runway, so should be interesting. The only snag is, they are only allowing people there who have a genuine reason to be there, no spectators (Dunsfold is pretty much an industrial estate these days, and of course, Top Gear location base).
> For anyone so inclined, the best viewpoint is going to be at the top of Hascombe Hill.
> Reason for coming here? It?s to be there permanently for use as a film set, apparently.
> 
> Dunsfold is a historic place, but amidst much controversy it looks as though planners will win through and build (from memory) eleven hundred new houses, shops, medical centre, etc., with no local road improvements to accomodate the extra traffic.
> 
> I remember as a schoolboy, seeing Hawker Hunters leaving Dunsfold, turning south over our ?glider bank?, then heading down to the south coast, and the sonic boom as they broke through the sound barrier. The school was on a south-facing hill, so we got a grandstand view. Test pilot Neville Duke came to give a talk at our (boarding) school, and I got to ?model? his flying suit, which unsurprisingly, was rather too big for me!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 03:37:19 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 09:37:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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Dunsfold are perhaps lucky. Our local Ealing Council is intent on allowing 
HUNDREDS of new flats in horrendous tower blocks with no support spaces, no 
parking at all - even hardly any for disabled - and no useful shops. Shop 
space is merely designed in town for large upmarket ones (who are all 
closing as people go online).
The huge Dickens Yard behind the Town Hall is mostly empty shops and flats 
owned by investors and the nice heritage Town Hall with it's public areas 
including the Victoria Hall (done a couple of events in there) is being sold 
off as a "Boutique Hotel" with minimal public access.
Meanwhile we are blocked in with new LTN (Low Traffic Neighbourhood) road 
blocks so ambulances, refuse trucks and delivery vehicles etc can't get in 
and traffic diverted to border roads - many past primary schools - which are 
now blocked and hence polluted.
Perhaps Dunsfold is where to go but at least we might have an airfield in 
LHR (though probably no third runway) and for now good transport and free 
for us oldies until BJ steps in to sort out the losses he made when London 
Mayor.

Rant over!

Mike



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 22 04:53:05 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:53:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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I?m reminded of being on location in Antigua* when BA put a 747 on that route for the first time. Think they used their oldest plane in case it couldn?t get off again!
The BA office in the town of St.John?s was closed for the day ? a handwritten sign on the door said: ?Gone to see the aeroplane?! It was an incredible sight with the huge tail fin towering over the single story terminal building. In those days, no building could be higher than a palm tree.

In answer to the traffic about working away from home etc. I always enjoyed the journey travelling more than arriving, as then the realisation dawned that we now had to work!

Pat
(* OK, name dropping, again!! Antigua, St.Lucia and Curacao were super locations, only spoilt by it being a Michael Winner picture).

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 22 October 2020 09:19
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 05:30:43 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 11:30:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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A good way to get onsite was back for the Raegan/Gorbachov summit meeting in Iceland.
We had a Freddie Laker post war Belfast freighter which was big enough to take a full-size BBC links van, our 3m satellite dish, an ITN Range Rover and their smaller (I think segmented) dish.
Flew at about 5000ft to save the fuselage and fortunately I had to go into the van half way to get some coffee as their galley had run out!
Similarly our trip to the Masai Mara in Kenya was reached in an original DC10.
Not forgetting taking that big dish to Bahamas by sea. That was the best site with on-site swimming (and Newsnight de-rigged onto the beach)

But we had some great times didn't we?

Mike

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jumbo!

I?m reminded of being on location in Antigua* when BA put a 747 on that route for the first time. Think they used their oldest plane in case it couldn?t get off again!

The BA office in the town of St.John?s was closed for the day ? a handwritten sign on the door said: ?Gone to see the aeroplane?! It was an incredible sight with the huge tail fin towering over the single story terminal building. In those days, no building could be higher than a palm tree.

 

In answer to the traffic about working away from home etc. I always enjoyed the journey travelling more than arriving, as then the realisation dawned that we now had to work!

 

Pat

(* OK, name dropping, again!! Antigua, St.Lucia and Curacao were super locations, only spoilt by it being a Michael Winner picture).

 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 22 06:26:43 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:26:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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Fascinating stories, Mike ? what fun, indeed!
I love and can be bewildered by coincidences. Try this tale:
A job for LWT, possibly ?Surprise, Surprise? involved a lass who had wanted to be an air hostess, but marriage and children put paid to that. The TV programme arranged for her to have a crash training at BA?s training centre at Cranebank, Hounslow, where there was a 747 fuselage mock-up. So we all had to exit down the escape slide!
Some time later, for a holiday trip on a small cruise boat across the Indian Ocean, on a flight to Durban to join ship, my companion and I decided to upgrade to Business class. Settled in to the 747, the hostess (June) came round with the drinks trolley. While she busied herself with the G & T?s, I mentioned that I had been out of the escape slide on one of these. She wanted to know ?how come?. So I explained the TV shoot. ?Yes?, she said, ? I was the instructing Stewardess on that!?. Looking at her again, I recalled that I?d fitted her with a radio mic, even.
Had she seen the programme? No, so I offered her a VHS copy (no DVD in those days) on our return after six weeks. We did meet up for a drink at the pub at the bottom of Pinewood Road, and I was able to present her with a tape.
Now, think how many coincidences had to fall into place:
Us travelling on that flight, us upgrading to Business, June scheduled for that flight and working Business ? and on that aisle where we were seated.

There?s a further, nice, chapter to the story. The lass who was crash trained was not guaranteed to actually go on a flight, but LWT had arranged for a couple whose wedding photos had been ballsed up by their photographer, to be flown to Frankfurt and have them redone by LWT?s staff photographer. Our lass would be serving only them, champers on the flight, which we filmed. That flight was crammed, and the cabin crew run off their feet, so our girl was happily trotting up and down, serving everyone!
A lovely feel-good ending!
Pat

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From: Mike Jordan
Sent: 22 October 2020 11:30
To: patheigham; Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jumbo!

A good way to get onsite was back for the Raegan/Gorbachov summit meeting in Iceland.
We had a Freddie Laker post war Belfast freighter which was big enough to take a full-size BBC links van, our 3m satellite dish, an ITN Range Rover and their smaller (I think segmented) dish.
Flew at about 5000ft to save the fuselage and fortunately I had to go into the van half way to get some coffee as their galley had run out!
Similarly our trip to the Masai Mara in Kenya was reached in an original DC10.
Not forgetting taking that big dish to Bahamas by sea. That was the best site with on-site swimming (and Newsnight de-rigged onto the beach)
?
But we had some great times didn't we?
?
Mike
?
From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jumbo!
?
I?m reminded of being on location in Antigua* when BA put a 747 on that route for the first time. Think they used their oldest plane in case it couldn?t get off again!
The BA office in the town of St.John?s was closed for the day ? a handwritten sign on the door said: ?Gone to see the aeroplane?! It was an incredible sight with the huge tail fin towering over the single story terminal building. In those days, no building could be higher than a palm tree.
?
In answer to the traffic about working away from home etc. I always enjoyed the journey travelling more than arriving, as then the realisation dawned that we now had to work!
?
Pat
(* OK, name dropping, again!! Antigua, St.Lucia and Curacao were super locations, only spoilt by it being a Michael Winner picture).
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 06:42:33 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:42:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and 
see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But 
if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is 
"Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on 
C.S.O.

But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It 
was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, 
but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head 
Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient Rome, 
via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert Square, to 
the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice Restaurant!) 
I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and flattened inside a 
two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without leaving TV Centre! 
(O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the 
sheer exhilaration of doing all these things live, or as-live, will 
always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.

luv, Rog.

------ Original Message ------
From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
  Discuss:
Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving 
family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a 
time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with 
people you don?t particularly want  to be with.
  Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

  On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:
  [snip]

?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.



Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is 
about!
Pat






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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 22 07:39:47 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:39:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder was required to be switched on.
The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but stopped myself just in time!
One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be English fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. The Border chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths of Elemack track in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.
Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!

I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?
Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about not wishing to be with some folks). 

Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved ?Capricorn One?)

Pat


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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 22 October 2020 12:42
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans

I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on C.S.O.


But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert Square, to the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of doing all these things live, or as-live, will always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.


luv, Rog.




------ Original Message ------
From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans

Discuss: 
Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
[snip]
?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!
Pat


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From doug at puddifoot.me  Thu Oct 22 07:54:10 2020
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 13:54:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
Message-ID: <yuvptww02lt23wrbixn721rs.1603371250994@email.android.com>

Stewart Morris invited an Australian boomerang champion to the UK to appear on the Roof Harris show. He took some of the Young Generation to Heathrow to meet him, and persuaded BA  it would be good publicity to get some pics in front of a Jumbo for the papers. Of course the snappers needed him throwing, so he did a circle around the tail fin. Unfortunately not quite AROUND the tail fin. I believe the Jumbo was out of action for a day to repair the dent. 

On 22 October 2020, at 10:53, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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I?m reminded of being on location in Antigua* when BA put a 747 on that route for the first time. Think they used their oldest plane in case it couldn?t get off again!

The BA office in the town of St.John?s was closed for the day ? a handwritten sign on the door said: ?Gone to see the aeroplane?! It was an incredible sight with the huge tail fin towering over the single story terminal building. In those days, no building could be higher than a palm tree.

?

In answer to the traffic about working away from home etc. I always enjoyed the journey travelling more than arriving, as then the realisation dawned that we now had to work!

?

Pat

(* OK, name dropping, again!! Antigua, St.Lucia and Curacao were super locations, only spoilt by it being a Michael Winner picture).

?

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?

From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 22 October 2020 09:19
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 22 09:00:17 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 15:00:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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Oops!
Stewart was one of those producers who said ?I want? and usually got it.
Last of the big spenders, you might say!
But his shows had the pizz-azz.

Dunno if any of you went to see 42nd Street at the Theatre Royal?
Now that was Show Biz.
Saw it ten times.
There are some music number clips from the filmed version:
Worth a look
Opening/Audition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMJvTY-4jfg
Go Into Your Dance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBc-0uGg7WQ
Dames https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpXbBIlYZ3A
I only have Eyes For You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go2B78AzAEo
We?re In The Money https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I101OZb1tow
Lullaby Of Broadway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2k8HfyKiZg
With Plenty of Money https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXZ8AXsGZYA
Shuffle Off To Buffalo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5KnZQCaPZk
42nd Street The Dance Finale https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvI4vRoKgZU

Pat

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From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1
Sent: 22 October 2020 13:54
To: tech1 at tech-ops co. uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jumbo!

Stewart Morris invited an Australian boomerang champion to the UK to appear on the Roof Harris show. He took some of the Young Generation to Heathrow to meet him, and persuaded BA? it would be good publicity to get some pics in front of a Jumbo for the papers. Of course the snappers needed him throwing, so he did a circle around the tail fin. Unfortunately not quite AROUND the tail fin. I believe the Jumbo was out of action for a day to repair the dent. 






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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 09:37:59 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 15:37:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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Pat,

Having worked on the Apollo moon landing at Jodrell Bank radio telescope with Sir Bernard Lovell broadcasting to pretty well every broadcast network in Europe and the USA I am inclined to remember Buzz Aldrin?s response to a journalist who suggested fakery, he punched the journo in the jaw and floored him. 

I would be inclined to do similar myself to anyone suggesting the same within my hearing.

Be Warned

Dave D

PS even you Pat weren?t there!

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 22 October 2020 13:40
To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans

 

OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.

Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!

Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.

One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder was required to be switched on.

The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but stopped myself just in time!

One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be English fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. The Border chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths of Elemack track in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!

That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.

Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!

 

I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?

Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about not wishing to be with some folks). 

 

Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved ?Capricorn One?)

 

Pat

 

 

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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 22 October 2020 12:42
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans

 

I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on C.S.O.

 

But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert Square, to the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of doing all these things live, or as-live, will always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.

 

luv, Rog.

 



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To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> " <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >
Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans

Discuss: 

Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

 

On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:
[snip]

?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.

Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!

Pat

 



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 10:14:51 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:14:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Honey Badgers
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Amazingly clever! I could do with a Honey Badger injection! Cheers, Dave

On 21/10/2020 11:19, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> Some video clips I'm sent are interesting, but this one I found 
> amazing. It's from a BBC programme, so apologies if you've already 
> seen it.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 10:22:39 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:22:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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When I went to Antigua on holiday we heard that the runway had to be 
re-surfaced thanks to a 747 taking off under full power and a steep 
climb which tore the tarmac off! Cheers, Dave

On 22/10/2020 10:53, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I?m reminded of being on location in Antigua* when BA put a 747 on 
> that route for the first time. Think they used their oldest plane in 
> case it couldn?t get off again!
>
> The BA office in the town of St.John?s was closed for the day ? a 
> handwritten sign on the door said: ?Gone to see the aeroplane?! It 
> _was_ an incredible sight with the huge tail fin towering over the 
> single story terminal building. In those days, no building could be 
> higher than a palm tree.
>
> In answer to the traffic about working away from home etc. I always 
> enjoyed the journey travelling more than arriving, as then the 
> realisation dawned that we now had to work!
>
> Pat
>
> (* OK, name dropping, again!! Antigua, St.Lucia and Curacao were super 
> locations, only spoilt by it being a Michael Winner picture).
>
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> *Sent: *22 October 2020 09:19
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 10:27:54 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:27:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moon
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That's probably the only place you haven't been yet, Pat! Cheers, Dave

On 22/10/2020 13:39, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your 
> experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>
> Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the 
> galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able 
> to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, 
> or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
>
> Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise 
> while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
>
> One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich 
> Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried 
> the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The 
> camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder 
> was required to be switched on.
>
> The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the 
> conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains 
> socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but 
> stopped myself just in time!
>
> One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our 
> industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the 
> conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. 
> when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be 
> English fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as 
> weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? 
> These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. 
> The Border chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said 
> ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths 
> of Elemack track in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
>
> That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski 
> village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were 
> considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It 
> taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly 
> lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.
>
> Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!
>
> I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long 
> foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two 
> lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel 
> bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? 
> Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?
>
> Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still 
> has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about 
> not wishing to be with some folks).
>
> Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved 
> ?Capricorn One?)
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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>
> *From: *ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *22 October 2020 12:42
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Americans
>
> I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and 
> see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But 
> if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is 
> "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on C.S.O.
>
>
>
> But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It 
> was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, 
> but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head 
> Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient 
> Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert 
> Square, to the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice 
> Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and 
> flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without 
> leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you 
> get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of doing all these things 
> live, or as-live, will always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time 
> stuff which came later.
>
>
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
>
>
>
>     ------ Original Message ------
>     From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>
>     Discuss:
>
>     Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and
>     loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for
>     weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations,
>     and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be
>     with.
>     Nick.
>
>     Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>         On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1
>         <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>         [snip]
>
>         ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>
>         Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life
>         really is about!
>
>         Pat
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 10:28:45 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:28:45 +0100
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On 22/10/2020 13:39, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?

So there I was, sitting in my very comfy TV studio - Pres A - with not 
much to do one afternoon.? I asked CAR for a feed from the moon, and was 
probably nearly the only person in the UK actually watching. I watched 
this live - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLvoTcHsAbo .?? Apparently 
it's one of the proofs that they didn't land on the moon, and on some 
forum back in 2009 I ended up in a serious discussion about it.

Say it was filmed in a studio. It would have to be on 35mm overcranked 
to get the slomo effect needed. So you'd need a very big roll of film, 
because it ran seamlessly for hours. Then you'd need to process it - 
maybe like Baird did in the '30s - and transmit it. Then you'd have an 
awful lot of film - and an awful lot of people to swear to silence. And 
- no-one, ever, has confessed on their deathbeds to the press. Not one 
ever, from the studio, or set design, or the processors. Ever.

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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Thu Oct 22 10:44:59 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 16:44:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Honey Badgers
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They have something of a reputation: I wouldn't argue with those teeth and claws! During one holiday, there was a disturbance one night in our camp in Botswana. It was a pair honey badgers being chased out of the camp kitchen where they had been raiding the pantry.JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 22/10/2020  16:14  (GMT+00:00) To: Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Honey Badgers 
    Amazingly clever! I could do with a Honey Badger injection!
      Cheers, Dave
    
    On 21/10/2020 11:19, Keith Wicks via
      Tech1 wrote:
    
    
      
      
        Some video clips
          I'm sent are interesting, but this one I found amazing. It's
          from a BBC programme, so apologies if you've already seen it.
        
        
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 22 11:09:16 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:09:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jumbo!
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Could have been that one!
I was amused with the old terminal ? departing flights were announced with different gate numbers ? but there was only one exit to the tarmac! Think they were pretending!
Where did you stay? I?ve been twice to Hawksbill Bay.
First for the Winner film, then again with a cameraman & his wife who kindly offered friendship for a break on losing my Mum. Happy to go at my expense.
Here?s a story about the Caribbean location on the Winner picture:
St. Lucia
We were shooting at Ainse Chastenet, a village some way down the coast of St. Lucia, away from Castries where we lived. I was Boom Operator.
My girlfriend was coming in that day for a week in the sun, and as there were three ways of getting back to the hotel - fast speedboat for the Director and Artistes, the action cabin cruiser (Twin Volvo in-board/out-board engines) or the 'chugger' a plodding vessel that the crew normally had to use, which took a couple of hours.
I asked if I could have a fast ride back. The first assistant was a bit of a bugger - no! go on the chugger!
My mixer, a lovely chap called Jim Willis, then pulled his ace from up his sleeve.
He explained to the First that we needed to pick up all sorts of FX tracks of the cabin cruiser, since when shooting dialogue, the engines were shut down etc.
The run back would be an ideal opportunity!
OK - so Jim and I went back on the fast cruiser, with just the skipper.
Jim said: I'll play with the Nagra, you liaise with the skipper.
As I knew exactly was was required, skipper let me helm the boat, and work the throttles for the right FX - we sailed into the setting sun, and I got back to the hotel at least an hour before the rest of the crew! And with the FX in the can.
Girlfriend was very astute - I was going to re-imburse her for a taxi from the International airport, miles away at the bottom of the island, but she spotted a load of boxes labelled for the production, and hung around to see who picked them up. It was the catering manager who knew me, so she scrounged a lift to the hotel!

Pat 

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From: dave.mdv
Sent: 22 October 2020 16:22
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jumbo!

When I went to Antigua on holiday we heard that the runway had to be re-surfaced thanks to a 747 taking off under full power and a steep climb which tore the tarmac off! Cheers, Dave



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 22 11:32:01 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:32:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moon
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True, Dave,
Don?t know that I would fancy it!
I did visit Cape Canaveral (now Kennedy) on a working trip to the States ? again you don?t get that, stuck in TVC!
There are many places on this Earth that work or holidays have not taken me to:
West Coast of USA
South America
South Africa
Russia
India
Japan
China (not Hong Kong)

I know John Pritchard quite well who was the recordist for Palin?s adventures ? what a super job that was, except that he had to be airlifted out of Tibet, suffering from altitude sickness.
I would have loved to work on Portillo?s continental/world train trips.
I spoke to the recordist, as I was keen to learn about any problems and the rig he used. He did a fine job.

Best
Pat


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From: dave.mdv
Sent: 22 October 2020 16:27
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Moon

That's probably the only place you haven't been yet, Pat! Cheers, Dave
On 22/10/2020 13:39, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.



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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct 22 13:12:23 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 18:12:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Moon
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I have actually touched the Moon - twice. Well, bits of it anyway.
But I?ve told that story before and I don?t like to tell the same stories more than once. And besides, it had nothing to do with TVC or TechOps.

The 747 came right over here twice at 1600ft. (which also has nothing to do with TVC or TechOps, but hey...). First time round to take a visual (probably not much in the way of landing systems at Dunsfold), then around and landed on second approach. Now it?s a film prop, a prop plane you could say. Sad, really, but because it looked just like any other BA Jumbo, here?s a pic taken of one of my mature Acers looking splendid in the afternoon sunshine just after it passed overhead. No girlfriends, lasses or lady friends, fitted with radio mics or not, were harmed in the taking of this picture.
cheers,
Nick.
[cid:6B311AAC-FA05-42B0-8ADD-21310837DF90]
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 22 Oct 2020, at 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
True, Dave,
Don?t know that I would fancy it!
I did visit Cape Canaveral (now Kennedy) on a working trip to the States ? again you don?t get that, stuck in TVC!
There are many places on this Earth that work or holidays have not taken me to:
West Coast of USA
South America
South Africa
Russia
India
Japan
China (not Hong Kong)

I know John Pritchard quite well who was the recordist for Palin?s adventures ? what a super job that was, except that he had to be airlifted out of Tibet, suffering from altitude sickness.
I would have loved to work on Portillo?s continental/world train trips.
I spoke to the recordist, as I was keen to learn about any problems and the rig he used. He did a fine job.

Best
Pat


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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Moon


That's probably the only place you haven't been yet, Pat! Cheers, Dave
On 22/10/2020 13:39, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 14:35:23 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:35:23 +0100
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Beautiful Autumn pictures of the leaves Nick. Cheers, Dave

On 22/10/2020 19:12, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I have actually touched the Moon - twice. Well, bits of it anyway.
> But I?ve told that story before and I don?t like to tell the same 
> stories more than once. And besides, it had nothing to do with TVC or 
> TechOps.
>
> The 747 came right over here twice at 1600ft. (which also has nothing 
> to do with TVC or TechOps, but hey...). First time round to take a 
> visual (probably not much in the way of landing systems at Dunsfold), 
> then around and landed on second approach. Now it?s a film prop, a 
> prop plane you could say. Sad, really, but because it looked just like 
> any other BA Jumbo, here?s a pic taken of one of my mature Acers 
> looking splendid in the afternoon sunshine just after it passed 
> overhead. No girlfriends, lasses or lady friends, fitted with radio 
> mics or not, were harmed in the taking of this picture.
> cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 22 Oct 2020, at 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> True, Dave,
>>
>> Don?t know that I would fancy it!
>>
>> I did visit Cape Canaveral (now Kennedy) on a working trip to the 
>> States ? again you don?t get that, stuck in TVC!
>>
>> There are many places on this Earth that work or holidays have _not_ 
>> taken me to:
>>
>> West Coast of USA
>>
>> South America
>>
>> South Africa
>>
>> Russia
>>
>> India
>>
>> Japan
>>
>> China (not Hong Kong)
>>
>> I know John Pritchard quite well who was the recordist for Palin?s 
>> adventures ? what a super job that was, except that he had to be 
>> airlifted out of Tibet, suffering from altitude sickness.
>>
>> I would have loved to work on Portillo?s continental/world train trips.
>>
>> I spoke to the recordist, as I was keen to learn about any problems 
>> and the rig he used. He did a fine job.
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *dave.mdv <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
>> *Sent: *22 October 2020 16:27
>> *To: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Moon
>>
>> That's probably the only place you haven't been yet, Pat! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 22/10/2020 13:39, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>     OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your
>>     experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>>
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 14:44:55 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:44:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My story is better than yours...! etc.
Message-ID: <1123873e-aaa2-dd0e-9530-2177f962b636@btinternet.com>

Has anyone else been on the bridge of a British frigate, HMS Scylla, 
escorting oil tankers round the Straits of Hormuz in the 'Gulf' during 
the Iran-Iraq war in Christmas 1986, steering it to pass in front of the 
convoy and then slow down to let the tankers pass by on the other side? 
Up yours, I raise you one ! Cheers, Dave. PS I won't even mention being 
shot at by Iranian gunboats in our helicopter taking the tapes back to 
Dubai TV! Best Christmas ever!!!!!!! Cheers, Dave



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 22 14:47:54 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:47:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moon
In-Reply-To: <5f91b400.1c69fb81.a8149.aebc@mx.google.com>
References: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc.ref@sky.com>
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I've been to a good number of those places, paying for myself. I'm 
pleased to say that i didn't have to do anything for anybody except me.

Here's Apollo 17 -



And some old monument



Being mostly "stuck" at TC was what I wanted - but it takes all kinds

B




On 22/10/2020 17:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> True, Dave,
>
> Don?t know that I would fancy it!
>
> I did visit Cape Canaveral (now Kennedy) on a working trip to the 
> States ? again you don?t get that, stuck in TVC!
>
> There are many places on this Earth that work or holidays have _not_ 
> taken me to:
>
> West Coast of USA
>
> South America
>
> South Africa
>
> Russia
>
> India
>
> Japan
>
> China (not Hong Kong)
>
> I know John Pritchard quite well who was the recordist for Palin?s 
> adventures ? what a super job that was, except that he had to be 
> airlifted out of Tibet, suffering from altitude sickness.
>
> I would have loved to work on Portillo?s continental/world train trips.
>
> I spoke to the recordist, as I was keen to learn about any problems 
> and the rig he used. He did a fine job.
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *dave.mdv <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
> *Sent: *22 October 2020 16:27
> *To: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Moon
>
> That's probably the only place you haven't been yet, Pat! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 22/10/2020 13:39, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
>     OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your
>     experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>
>
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 14:57:20 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 20:57:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] ditto, Part 2
Message-ID: <0758cc0e-a8b6-4b1c-6fe3-a798081aeb8f@btinternet.com>

On our last day in Victoria, after the Commonwealth Games, some of us 
went on the tourist seaplane trip over glaciers of the Northern US, in 
Washington State, and then had a helicopter ride back to Vancouver 
airport to catch our 747 Jumbo back to the UK! Three different flights 
in one day! Cheers, Dave. PS. Beat that, Pat!



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 15:20:28 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 21:20:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <004f01d6a880$f1167770$d3436650$@gmail.com>
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	<a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc@sky.com>
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Nice story Dave! It goes along with the 'Flat Earth Society' series of 
loony ideas, as the British astronaut Mr. Peak (ideal surname!) remarked 
recently in an interview that he has provided loads of photographs from 
space showing the orb of the Earth and he was still being questioned 
about the shape! The mind boggles, as they say! Cheers, Dave

On 22/10/2020 15:37, David Denness via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Pat,
>
> Having worked on the Apollo moon landing at Jodrell Bank radio 
> telescope with Sir Bernard Lovell broadcasting to pretty well every 
> broadcast network in Europe and the USA I am inclined to remember Buzz 
> Aldrin?s response to a journalist who suggested fakery, he punched the 
> journo in the jaw and floored him.
>
> I would be inclined to do similar myself to anyone suggesting the same 
> within my hearing.
>
> Be Warned
>
> Dave D
>
> PS even you Pat weren?t there!
>
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *patheigham 
> via Tech1
> *Sent:* 22 October 2020 13:40
> *To:* ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Americans
>
> OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your 
> experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>
> Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the 
> galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able 
> to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, 
> or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
>
> Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise 
> while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
>
> One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich 
> Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried 
> the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The 
> camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder 
> was required to be switched on.
>
> The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the 
> conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains 
> socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but 
> stopped myself just in time!
>
> One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our 
> industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the 
> conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. 
> when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be 
> English fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as 
> weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? 
> These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. 
> The Border chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said 
> ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths 
> of Elemack track in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
>
> That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski 
> village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were 
> considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It 
> taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly 
> lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.
>
> Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!
>
> I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long 
> foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two 
> lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel 
> bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? 
> Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?
>
> Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still 
> has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about 
> not wishing to be with some folks).
>
> Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved 
> ?Capricorn One?)
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *22 October 2020 12:42
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Americans
>
> I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and 
> see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But 
> if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is 
> "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on C.S.O.
>
> But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It 
> was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, 
> but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head 
> Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient 
> Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert 
> Square, to the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice 
> Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and 
> flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without 
> leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you 
> get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of doing all these things 
> live, or as-live, will always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time 
> stuff which came later.
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
>
>     ------ Original Message ------
>     From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>"
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
>     Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
>     Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>
>     Discuss:
>
>     Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and
>     loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for
>     weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations,
>     and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be
>     with.
>     Nick.
>
>     Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>         On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1
>         <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>         [snip]
>
>         ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>
>         Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life
>         really is about!
>
>         Pat
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 15:42:46 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 21:42:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My story etc....
Message-ID: <a5c2bc7d-b0eb-6cf1-cc7e-5f8c11554c59@btinternet.com>

During the Olympics in Barcelona my sports PSC was sent to the Theatre 
de Lyceu, down the Ramblas,? as the most famous singers were due to give 
a special Olympic performance. 'My' cameraman (Roger Prior), an opera 
buff, was eagerly looking forward to the day! We had Gary Lineker as as 
our interviewer. The sports AP approached all of the most famous stars 
in the opera world and asked if they would mind doing an interview with 
Gary. Gary had played for the Barcelona football team and had learnt to 
speak Catalan which made him a 'God' among the natives. All of these 
most famous stars in the world of opera immediately said 'YES'. Needless 
to say the interviews all went well! Even 'my' cameraman got one of his 
records signed! Cheers, Dave



From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Oct 22 15:42:37 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 21:42:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <0120f8e3-9cc8-d3e3-2d0c-09f375c66be4@btinternet.com>
References: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc.ref@sky.com>
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Everybody knows it?s square, they said so on the BBC?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 22 Oct 2020, at 21:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Nice story Dave! It goes along with the 'Flat Earth Society' series of loony ideas, as the British astronaut Mr. Peak (ideal surname!) remarked recently in an interview that he has provided loads of photographs from space showing the orb of the Earth and he was still being questioned about the shape! The mind boggles, as they say! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 22/10/2020 15:37, David Denness via Tech1 wrote:
>> Pat,
>> Having worked on the Apollo moon landing at Jodrell Bank radio telescope with Sir Bernard Lovell broadcasting to pretty well every broadcast network in Europe and the USA I am inclined to remember Buzz Aldrin?s response to a journalist who suggested fakery, he punched the journo in the jaw and floored him. 
>> I would be inclined to do similar myself to anyone suggesting the same within my hearing.
>> Be Warned
>> Dave D
>> PS even you Pat weren?t there!
>>  
>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
>> Sent: 22 October 2020 13:40
>> To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>  
>> OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>> Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
>> Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
>> One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder was required to be switched on.
>> The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but stopped myself just in time!
>> One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be English fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. The Border chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths of Elemack track in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
>> That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.
>> Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!
>>  
>> I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?
>> Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about not wishing to be with some folks). 
>>  
>> Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved ?Capricorn One?)
>>  
>> Pat
>>  
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>  
>> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
>> Sent: 22 October 2020 12:42
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>  
>> I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on C.S.O.
>>  
>> 
>> But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert Square, to the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of doing all these things live, or as-live, will always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>> 
>> Discuss: 
>> Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>  
>> On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> [snip]
>> ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>> Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!
>> Pat
>>  
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 16:14:02 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 22:14:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My stories....ctd.
Message-ID: <e275c0b5-02bf-b52a-7922-d0e765ec5bd2@btinternet.com>

London Marathon. A British Telecom (lunatic) decided that he would run 
the smallest and the biggest Marathon in the same weekend!? My sports 
PSC (Trevor Wimlett and me) arrived at Coventry airport and boarded a 
six seater twin-engined light aircraft. The brief was for Trevor to 
interview this GPO engineer on the way up to Benbecular in the Outer 
Hebrides. Amazingly, British Airways have a presence there as it is a 
NATO rocket base! After the BA flight had landed and departed we we on 
our own! The airport terminal closed down and that was that! We hadn't 
eaten by then! We contacted the military and told them about the shoot 
and they voluntiered an army LandRover for us to use to track the race. 
We set off following our lunatic and while hanging my 416 on it's pole 
out of the back of the Land Rover I suggested that the driver switched 
off the engine and we free-wheeled down the hill. This was the highlight 
of the whole trip! Total silence apart from the padding of his feet on 
the road and the baa-ing of the sheep behind him! After that we had got 
enough footage and we met the locals including the lady air-traffic 
controller. We offered her and her assistant an airborn trip round the 
island and then went back to her place for a cuppa and she and her 
friend made up a pack of sandwiches for our return trip to the main 
land! We dropped our lunatic at Glasgow airport where he got a scheduled 
flight back to LHR and then he went to the traditional pasta feast in 
the Royal Lancaster Hotel, before the Marathon proper. I understand that 
he didn't win but he did finish the course! Another lovely day on the 
Sports Unit! Cheers, Dave (PS. More to come if you insist!)



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 22 16:19:37 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 22:19:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <F4E9FAED-3C6C-4835-9A0E-6D5CBE3F9491@icloud.com>
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Only Michael Bentine knew that! He was reprimanded by 'them-up-there' 
saying that he wasn't to use the Television Centre as a place of 
entertainment! The rest is history! Cheers, Dave.

On 22/10/2020 21:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Everybody knows it?s square, they said so on the BBC?
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 22 Oct 2020, at 21:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Nice story Dave! It goes along with the 'Flat Earth Society' series of loony ideas, as the British astronaut Mr. Peak (ideal surname!) remarked recently in an interview that he has provided loads of photographs from space showing the orb of the Earth and he was still being questioned about the shape! The mind boggles, as they say! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 22/10/2020 15:37, David Denness via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Pat,
>>> Having worked on the Apollo moon landing at Jodrell Bank radio telescope with Sir Bernard Lovell broadcasting to pretty well every broadcast network in Europe and the USA I am inclined to remember Buzz Aldrin?s response to a journalist who suggested fakery, he punched the journo in the jaw and floored him.
>>> I would be inclined to do similar myself to anyone suggesting the same within my hearing.
>>> Be Warned
>>> Dave D
>>> PS even you Pat weren?t there!
>>>   
>>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
>>> Sent: 22 October 2020 13:40
>>> To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>>   
>>> OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>>> Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
>>> Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
>>> One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder was required to be switched on.
>>> The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but stopped myself just in time!
>>> One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be English fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. The Border chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths of Elemack track in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
>>> That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.
>>> Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!
>>>   
>>> I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?
>>> Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about not wishing to be with some folks).
>>>   
>>> Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved ?Capricorn One?)
>>>   
>>> Pat
>>>   
>>>   
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>   
>>> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
>>> Sent: 22 October 2020 12:42
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>>   
>>> I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on C.S.O.
>>>   
>>>
>>> But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert Square, to the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of doing all these things live, or as-live, will always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>> luv, Rog.
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>>
>>> Discuss:
>>> Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>   
>>> On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>> ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>>> Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!
>>> Pat
>>>   
>>> <image002.png>
>>> -- 
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>>>
>>>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Oct 22 17:41:55 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 23:41:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <7302a7b0-99f1-b55f-5c94-afbae09f9a89@btinternet.com>
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I was at a planning meeting for a Swap Shop out of studio item at TVC and the House Services guy actually repeated that phrase, without a flicker of humour and I?m sure he meant it.

Mike G
 

> On 22 Oct 2020, at 22:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Only Michael Bentine knew that! He was reprimanded by 'them-up-there' saying that he wasn't to use the Television Centre as a place of entertainment! The rest is history! Cheers, Dave.
> 
> On 22/10/2020 21:42, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Everybody knows it?s square, they said so on the BBC?
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Oct 2020, at 21:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Nice story Dave! It goes along with the 'Flat Earth Society' series of loony ideas, as the British astronaut Mr. Peak (ideal surname!) remarked recently in an interview that he has provided loads of photographs from space showing the orb of the Earth and he was still being questioned about the shape! The mind boggles, as they say! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>> On 22/10/2020 15:37, David Denness via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Pat,
>>>> Having worked on the Apollo moon landing at Jodrell Bank radio telescope with Sir Bernard Lovell broadcasting to pretty well every broadcast network in Europe and the USA I am inclined to remember Buzz Aldrin?s response to a journalist who suggested fakery, he punched the journo in the jaw and floored him.
>>>> I would be inclined to do similar myself to anyone suggesting the same within my hearing.
>>>> Be Warned
>>>> Dave D
>>>> PS even you Pat weren?t there!
>>>>  From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 22 October 2020 13:40
>>>> To: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>>>  OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>>>> Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
>>>> Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
>>>> One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder was required to be switched on.
>>>> The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but stopped myself just in time!
>>>> One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be English fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. The Border chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths of Elemack track in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
>>>> That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.
>>>> Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!
>>>>  I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?
>>>> Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about not wishing to be with some folks).
>>>>  Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved ?Capricorn One?)
>>>>  Pat
>>>>    Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>  From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 22 October 2020 12:42
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>>>  I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on C.S.O.
>>>>  
>>>> But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert Square, to the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of doing all these things live, or as-live, will always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> luv, Rog.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>>>> 
>>>> Discuss:
>>>> Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t particularly want to be with.
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>>  On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>>>> Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is about!
>>>> Pat
>>>>  <image002.png>
>>>> -- 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Oct 23 04:04:09 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:04:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nice camera tower
Message-ID: <C327CF89F0114DE28084980CC7A60855@Gigabyte>

The Guardian picture section today has this nice pic of filming (you know that bendy plastic stuff that one shines alight through to watch and has nothing to do with SD cards) in Kings Cross including a very Health and Safety camera tower. Presumably access via the open window!

Good old days? (perhaps not!)

Mike
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From relong at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 23 04:36:44 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:36:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nice camera tower
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John Tiley shooting Dixon directed by Joe Walters?.

> On 23 Oct 2020, at 10:04, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The Guardian picture section today has this nice pic of filming (you know that bendy plastic stuff that one shines alight through to watch and has nothing to do with SD cards) in Kings Cross including a very Health and Safety camera tower. Presumably access via the open window!
>  
> Good old days? (perhaps not!)
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Oct 23 04:49:22 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:49:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nice camera tower
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A scary looking arrangement, and far from "safe" in terms of use.

But the construction of the tower, and its various bracings, show a 
considerable degree of clever, practical engineering. Nowadays there 
often seems a risk that the rule book is followed assiduously, but the 
practical understanding of structures is ignored, leading to a new 
series of accidents and failures.

Chris Woolf


On 23/10/2020 10:04, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> The Guardian picture section today has this nice pic of filming (you 
> know that bendy plastic stuff that one shines alight through to watch 
> and has nothing to do with SD cards) in Kings Cross including a very 
> Health and Safety camera tower. Presumably access via the open window!
> Good old days? (perhaps not!)
> Mike
>


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 23 04:52:21 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:52:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nice camera tower
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Given the number of times that filming needed to be done from a moving 
car -? since their were cars -? there must surely have been a more 
sensible setup.

B



On 23/10/2020 10:36, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote:
> John Tiley shooting Dixon directed by Joe Walters?.
>
>> On 23 Oct 2020, at 10:04, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> The Guardian picture section today has this nice pic of filming (you 
>> know that bendy plastic stuff that one shines alight through to watch 
>> and has nothing to do with SD cards) in Kings Cross including a very 
>> Health and Safety camera tower. Presumably access via the open window!
>> Good old days? (perhaps not!)
>

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Oct 23 05:11:53 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 11:11:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Moon
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB086382F4F194512B9380C3AFA71D0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc.ref@sky.com><a8b90fa2-7258-a7da-ab20-11b3e7ce86cc@sky.com><5f8f0811.1c69fb81.23312.bd48@mx.google.com><VE1P189MB0863E8D11F3CE5B6210431B4A71C0@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM><6ef9a9a2.f564.175501e2456.Webtop.111@btinternet.com><5f917d93.1c69fb81.2369b.7796@mx.google.com><f7d270dc-c474-221a-95ad-7b8b5f7275ee@btinternet.com>,
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Has Nick just started open season on Autumn colour? If so and reiterating his comment about non BBC content, here?s an apple or two from our village community orchard as an alternative to leaves.

Think cider!

Dave Newbitt

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2020 7:12 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Moon

I have actually touched the Moon - twice. Well, bits of it anyway. 
But I?ve told that story before and I don?t like to tell the same stories more than once. And besides, it had nothing to do with TVC or TechOps.

The 747 came right over here twice at 1600ft. (which also has nothing to do with TVC or TechOps, but hey...). First time round to take a visual (probably not much in the way of landing systems at Dunsfold), then around and landed on second approach. Now it?s a film prop, a prop plane you could say. Sad, really, but because it looked just like any other BA Jumbo, here?s a pic taken of one of my mature Acers looking splendid in the afternoon sunshine just after it passed overhead. No girlfriends, lasses or lady friends, fitted with radio mics or not, were harmed in the taking of this picture.
cheers,
Nick.


Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 23 06:03:48 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 12:03:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nice camera tower
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Not to mention that it also comes with a large two-way talkback box!
Barry.



On 23 Oct 2020, at 10:04, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> The Guardian picture section today has this nice pic of filming (you know that bendy plastic stuff that one shines alight through to watch and has nothing to do with SD cards) in Kings Cross including a very Health and Safety camera tower. Presumably access via the open window!
>  
> Good old days? (perhaps not!)
>  
> Mike
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Oct 23 06:37:58 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 12:37:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Nice camera tower
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Filming of The Ladykillers, where Ealing Studios built a house at the 
end of Fredrica Street, immediately above the Copenhagen Tunnels just 
outside Kings Cross station.

However, this location is Argyle Street, opposite St.Pancras station, 
where the reverse angle shots of the house were taken. I would guess, 
without seeing film again, that the set-up was for a shot before or 
after this one. The telephone box is obviously a fake!

The camera is a three strip Technicolor one hence the wide film spool 
casing.

There is a BBC film made about the filming of The Ladykillers called 
'Location Kings Cross', which went out in the mid-50s. It's a shame that 
whoever now owns the film distribution rights, doesn't re-issue the film 
plus the 'making of' as an extra.

Dave Buckley


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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Oct 23 14:21:48 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 20:21:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] My stories....ctd.
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I did a job where the the start of the story is almost identical to Dave?s.  It was a show featuring product placement from SsangYong, the Korean motor car company. As a result we got issued with their top of the range car in those days, a SsangYong Rodius. We were told that it was the only one of its kind in the UK and it was perfect for our filming.  Over the course of four weeks or so, we came to despise that car.  Not only was it stupendously ugly, it was unquestionably the worst car I?ve ever been in and that includes Trabants. 

We were shooting a sequence comparable to Dave?s one, on private land, on a grassy hill, filming runners jogging down the hill.  The tailgate was wedged open, which was a pretty standard way of working. The cameraman laid tummy down on the floor, with his Betacam pointing out of the back, mostly overhanging the back of the car.  Somebody was hanging onto his legs as a safety precaution.  I was sort of wedged across the back of the car, using a 5 metre fish pole to reach back and cover the runners. The director was troubled by the engine noise on take one, so she asked to do a retake, coasting with the engine off.

You probably know that the power braking on a car ceases working when the engine isn?t running.  Unfortunately the researcher who was driving was blissfully unaware of this trivial detail and when we started to get ahead of the runners, she discovered that the breaks had failed and got into panic mode.  Meanwhile, the hill was becoming steeper, we were gathering speed alarmingly and being bounced around quite badly in the back of the car.  Myself and the cameraman had sussed out the problem and were shouting for the driver to start the engine.  The director was shouting that the last thing we need is more speed, while the driver kept screaming.  Somebody pulled up the handbrake, which made a marginal difference.  At least we were no longer gathering speed. Then the driver put it into gear and released the clutch, which being first gear abruptly locked up the wheels and we skidded alarmingly, ending up pranging into a bush which was more solid than it looked and proved to be much more solid than a SsangYong Rodius

There were a lot of lessons to be learned from that adventure and probably a classic accident report sheet too, but fortunately nobody had anything worse than some bruising. We felt that one good thing might emerge from it. We would no longer be stuck with that dreadful car because it was the only one in the UK.

Unfortunately, while it was the only one four weeks previously, a few more had arrived since then and the following morning we were presented with another bloody SsanYong Rodius.

Alan Taylor




> On 22 Oct 2020, at 22:14, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?London Marathon. A British Telecom (lunatic) decided that he would run the smallest and the biggest Marathon in the same weekend!  My sports PSC (Trevor Wimlett and me) arrived at Coventry airport and boarded a six seater twin-engined light aircraft. The brief was for Trevor to interview this GPO engineer on the way up to Benbecular in the Outer Hebrides. Amazingly, British Airways have a presence there as it is a NATO rocket base! After the BA flight had landed and departed we we on our own! The airport terminal closed down and that was that! We hadn't eaten by then! We contacted the military and told them about the shoot and they voluntiered an army LandRover for us to use to track the race. We set off following our lunatic and while hanging my 416 on it's pole out of the back of the Land Rover I suggested that the driver switched off the engine and we free-wheeled down the hill. This was the highlight of the whole trip! Total silence apart from the padding of his feet on the road and the baa-ing of the sheep behind him! After that we had got enough footage and we met the locals including the lady air-traffic controller. We offered her and her assistant an airborn trip round the island and then went back to her place for a cuppa and she and her friend made up a pack of sandwiches for our return trip to the main land! We dropped our lunatic at Glasgow airport where he got a scheduled flight back to LHR and then he went to the traditional pasta feast in the Royal Lancaster Hotel, before the Marathon proper. I understand that he didn't win but he did finish the course! Another lovely day on the Sports Unit! Cheers, Dave (PS. More to come if you insist!)
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 23 18:19:23 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 00:19:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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'My' cameraman and I were dispatched to cover the start of the Fastnet 
Yacht Race from Cowes which involved boarding a helicopter at 
Southampton Airport and my man sitting with his legs outside resting on 
the landing skids and being strapped in by two long harnesses. I sat 
behind with the U-Matic recorder with a 416 on it's Panamic pole outside 
for GFX. Another great shoot from the same location was for the 
America's Cup trials where we started on the Champagne Rouge motor 
cruiser in Buckler's Hard, cruising down to the start, and doing some 
'pretties'. Refreshments were freely available and although I don't like 
champagne I had to force myself to be sociable! We then went on board 
one of the yachts sitting on the foredeck trying not to scratch it with 
the recorder etc. I was sad to see that the Southampton Boat Show had 
been cancelled this year as it was a regular 'good' SUE shoot to do! 
Taking a million pound yacht down the Solent for a fun trip was amazing, 
if only I had the money! Many more stories about that shoot! Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Oct 23 19:11:57 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 01:11:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Yet another SUE story!
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Grand National Preview. The shoot was to start near Brighton at a racing 
stable there. We left before the hotel breakfast started and got back 
after the chef had gone home! Next, we travelled to Lambourne and did 
interviews etc. and the AP wanted us to so more stuff but the schedule 
was that we had to arrive in Greystoke, Cumbria by 1900 for dinner, or 
else! We had to decline all the extra footage the AP wanted and he 
reported my 'man' for being 'unco-operative'! Any, I drove all the way 
up to the Mill Bridge Hotel and we got there just as 'Mine Host' was 
standing on the doorstep ready to serve the starters! After that we went 
to the Grey Court Stables and set off for Nicholashayne in Somerset, the 
home of Martin Pipe, where we had ben many times before. We stayed at a 
pub nearby and it all ended happily, a long week but a job well done! 
Cheers, Dave. PS. The hotel in Cumbria was booked for the next week by a 
BBC DG Michael Checkland for a week's walking holiday - I did think of 
accidentally leaving a radio mic. in his bedroom, but I needed it on my 
next shoot! Cheers, Dave



From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Oct 24 03:14:07 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 09:14:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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Dave, I never thought I?d hear you say there was something alcoholic that you don?t like!

Mike G

> On 24 Oct 2020, at 00:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?'My' cameraman and I were dispatched to cover the start of the Fastnet Yacht Race from Cowes which involved boarding a helicopter at Southampton Airport and my man sitting with his legs outside resting on the landing skids and being strapped in by two long harnesses. I sat behind with the U-Matic recorder with a 416 on it's Panamic pole outside for GFX. Another great shoot from the same location was for the America's Cup trials where we started on the Champagne Rouge motor cruiser in Buckler's Hard, cruising down to the start, and doing some 'pretties'. Refreshments were freely available and although I don't like champagne I had to force myself to be sociable! We then went on board one of the yachts sitting on the foredeck trying not to scratch it with the recorder etc. I was sad to see that the Southampton Boat Show had been cancelled this year as it was a regular 'good' SUE shoot to do! Taking a million pound yacht down the Solent for a fun trip was amazing, if only I had the money! Many more stories about that shoot! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Oct 24 05:08:29 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 11:08:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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My Southampton Boat Show story was as follows, I was shooting a story for TVS and a local BBC crew were doing a piece to camera alongside a multi-million pound speedboat on one of the pontoons. The cameraman walked along the pontoon to tighten the shot but, unfortunately, had one hand on the boat to steady himself. He forgot that boats curve towards the bow and followed the curve straight off the pontoon!

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 24 Oct 2020, at 09:14, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dave, I never thought I?d hear you say there was something alcoholic that you don?t like!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 00:19, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?'My' cameraman and I were dispatched to cover the start of the Fastnet Yacht Race from Cowes which involved boarding a helicopter at Southampton Airport and my man sitting with his legs outside resting on the landing skids and being strapped in by two long harnesses. I sat behind with the U-Matic recorder with a 416 on it's Panamic pole outside for GFX. Another great shoot from the same location was for the America's Cup trials where we started on the Champagne Rouge motor cruiser in Buckler's Hard, cruising down to the start, and doing some 'pretties'. Refreshments were freely available and although I don't like champagne I had to force myself to be sociable! We then went on board one of the yachts sitting on the foredeck trying not to scratch it with the recorder etc. I was sad to see that the Southampton Boat Show had been cancelled this year as it was a regular 'good' SUE shoot to do! Taking a million pound yacht down the Solent for a fun trip was amazing, if only I had the money! Many more stories about that shoot! Cheers, Dave
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct 24 07:05:47 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 13:05:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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Would that be a Tech-oops story!
We can find ourselves in some fascinating and possibly dangerous situations ? all good fun!
Couple of stories from me, around the Solent:
The raising of the Mary Rose ? worked a PSC unit for ?Chronicle? (BBC). We followed the top frame down Southampton Water and through the Solent with our brave detachment of Royal Marines, to the huge crane barge Tog Mor.
The weather that day was not good enough for the drop of the lifting frame, but there was a possible window very early next morning. My cameraman, Bob Jones, realised that although we had rooms booked in Southsea, we would not be able to get back out there in time, so he asked the skipper of the barge if we could stay aboard Tog Mor. He said to help ourselves to a cabin each in the accommodation block, ?And I suppose you want supper, too, eh?? The Director and PA didn?t want to push the hospitality, so spent a very uncomfortable night on board the dive boat, which stank of fish and diesel fuel. Bob and I each had a very comfortable bunk with an en-suite hot shower and loo!
During the night it blew a Force 8, but the Tog Mor was such a huge vessel that we never felt a thing.

Second tale: covering the ?Round the Island? Power Boat Race. For that we had Keith Thompson piloting a Jet Ranger with the WesCam Giromount fitted. (Keith used to do all the aerial stuff for Treasure Hunt). Round the back o? the Wight, he hovered with the skids barely a foot above the water, with the boat hurtling straight towards us. At the last minute, lifted up so it passed underneath. If Keith hadn?t got it precisely right, would have made for a very interesting insurance report!
Regards
Pat

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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
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To: Mike Giles
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)

The cameraman walked along the pontoon to tighten the shot but, unfortunately, had one hand on the boat to steady himself. He forgot that boats curve towards the bow and followed the curve straight off the pontoon!




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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Oct 24 10:34:15 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 16:34:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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<Second tale: covering the ?Round the Island? Power Boat Race. For that 
we had Keith Thompson piloting a Jet Ranger with the WesCam Giromount 
fitted. (Keith used to do all the aerial stuff for Treasure Hunt). Round 
the back o? the Wight, he hovered with the skids barely a foot above the 
water, with the boat hurtling straight towards us. At the last minute, 
lifted up so it passed underneath. If Keith hadn?t got it precisely 
right, would have made for a _very_ interesting insurance report!>

If you think Keith cut things fine you should have tried "Michael" from 
the same helicopter establishment. MMS was as skilled a flier as Keith 
but even more of a daredevil. He would run VNE checks on aircraft at 
extreme low level just because he could - and swore blind that he was 
above 500ft and the altimeter must be faulty. He did get the low level 
stuff wrong on one occasion when he went under some 33kV power lines and 
got a flashover that welded the doors. It took several months to get 
that aircraft flying again.

Both pilots were ex air-sea rescue and the flew with a level of verve 
that none of the current civilian pilots can quite equal.

Chris Woolf




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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 24 12:41:28 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 18:41:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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For those not familiar with such things, the Southampton Boat Show is an outdoor, floating show.  The boats are exhibited on moorings and can be taken out onto the sea to be put through their paces.

In the late 1970s, it was decided to do the show with a floating scanner on the Solent.  A small two camera scanner was driven onto a tank landing craft which set off to various locations around the Solent.  Boats would be persuaded to come out to a rendezvous point to be televised doing what they do best.

The fun actually started before the tech crew arrived. The landing craft beached at a nearby Naval establishment for the scanner to drive on.  There was a concrete ramp most of the way down the beach and due to the low tide,  a short stretch of sand before the ramp of the landing craft.  The rigger supervisor was concerned that the scanner might get bogged down in the sand, and decided that the best strategy would be to get a run up and let inertia do the hard work.  

He was right on two counts.  The sand was indeed soft and momentum did what it does.  The scanner sunk into the sand, but with many tons of mass and a good turn of speed, it was axle deep in the sand by the time it reached the edge of the ramp, which neatly shaved the bottom off the engine sump.  The Marines winched the crippled scanner on board, which sat in an ever growing pool of oil on the deck.  Working out how to fix the engine could be left for another day, the scanner didn?t need to drive anywhere because it was going to be ferried around for the next few days.

Ian Leiper was sound supervisor  and I believe that the director might have been Ken Griffin, so it was inevitably going to be a fun shoot.  I would guess that the scanner was the mid 1970s LO21, with LDK5 cameras.  I was the SA1 on that truck and it was decided that the way to cover that show was by using a small assault craft, which was a bit like an aluminium punt with two outboard motors.  The assault craft was used as a water taxi to ferry myself and another sound guy to the various boats.  One of us would board one boat at sea, while the other boarded the next.  We each took with us a high powered radio talkback transceiver and a high powered radio mic, the sort used on golf tournaments.  We would either transmit sound effects or use personal mics to interview the people.  Production staff were not boarding the smaller boats, so we were combining our technical responsibilities with acting as floor manager, relaying instructions to the people on the boat.  Typically it would be to stand by until the previous item was in the can and then sail past the landing craft in a specified manner, turn around and pass in the opposite direction and maybe do a two way interview or something similar, or position the boat in specific ways to show appropriate angles to the cameras on the landing craft. Sometimes the landing craft would reposition to the other side of the boat to get appropriate shots and it would sail to a different location for each item, so that there was a variety of backgrounds.

The boats we were boarding could be anything from a Mirror Dinghy to a multi million pound luxury yacht. Transferring the tech gear and clambering aboard while at sea could be quite an interesting exercise, but you soon work out a way to make it work for various types of boat.

One sequence involved a RIB with two immense outboard motors, each producing at least a squillion horsepower.  Ken asked me to tell him to stand by and then on his cue to whizz past at top speed about twenty metres to port, overshoot the landing craft by 100 metres or so, do a rapid turn and stop ready for a similar run.  You sit astride a ridge along these boats and there wasn?t much to hold on to, not that you have a free hand anyway, with the talkback brick, radio mic brick, gun mic and a bag of bits to cope with whatever might be asked of us. 

I might point out that because we were frequently in shot, we listened to talkback on an earpiece in order to look less conspicuous. I would also point out that at that time, I was unable to swim and we wore self inflating life jackets. 

I sat directly behind the RIB driver and passed on Ken?s instructions.  He turned around and asked ?Do you really mean flat out ?? and when I said yes, he did a rather evil grin.  The next thing I knew, we accelerated in  a way that I never imagined a boat could manage and were travelling at a ridiculous speed, leaping from wave to wave in a most spectacular and unnerving manner.  

I couldn?t believe that I remained on board all the way to the other end.  My earpiece had come out and I was unaware of how thrilled Ken was by the shots.  I got my earpiece back in my ear once more, just in time to hear Ken asking for the same again, but even more spectacular if possible.  Like a fool I passed on that message verbatim , whereupon without waiting for the bit where I say ?....  On my cue?, he gunned it before I had even regained my composure, or indeed regained my grip.

The ride was like I imaging those mechanical bucking bronco rides to be.  Holding on by squeezing my knees inwards for grip and using my arms for balance, while pressing my feet outwards against the tech equipment to wedge it against the buoyancy chambers.  Miraculously I somehow remained on board.  When I returned to the landing craft, I was shown the VT.  My earpiece flew out as soon as we built up speed and trailed horizontally behind, like a comedy Biggles scarf. Then after we passed, with spray and waves crashing all around, we did this ridiculously tight turn, banking almost vertically and stopped dead in the water.  I could be seen ashen faced, replacing the earpiece, while simultaneously puffing as much air as possible manually into my life jacket in anticipation of the near certainty of ending up thrown overboard, pausing to pass on Ken?s direction, followed by a look of abject horror as the boat abruptly took off like a rocket, but with renewed vigour.

A subsequent sequence on a luxurious gin palace served as a most welcome contrast.

Alan Taylor



 



 
>> On 24 Oct 2020, at 16:34, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> <Second tale: covering the ?Round the Island? Power Boat Race. For that we had Keith Thompson piloting a Jet Ranger with the WesCam Giromount fitted. (Keith used to do all the aerial stuff for Treasure Hunt). Round the back o? the Wight, he hovered with the skids barely a foot above the water, with the boat hurtling straight towards us. At the last minute, lifted up so it passed underneath. If Keith hadn?t got it precisely right, would have made for a very interesting insurance report!>
> 
> If you think Keith cut things fine you should have tried "Michael" from the same helicopter establishment. MMS was as skilled a flier as Keith but even more of a daredevil. He would run VNE checks on aircraft at extreme low level just because he could - and swore blind that he was above 500ft and the altimeter must be faulty. He did get the low level stuff wrong on one occasion when he went under some 33kV power lines and got a flashover that welded the doors. It took several months to get that aircraft flying again.
> 
> Both pilots were ex air-sea rescue and the flew with a level of verve that none of the current civilian pilots can quite equal.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
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From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 21:50:38 +0100
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Chris? story about flying under power lines is really scary!
A very good friend is ex-Navy and knew Keith.
My chum flew helicopters at sea ? his Wessex is in the museum at Yeovilton.
Gin Palace:
LWT produced ?It?ll be Alright on the Night?. On the 25th episode, Denis Norden wanted to shoot his links from the Bermuda Triangle, as he reckoned that?s where most of the off-cuts ended up! There was no possibility of chartering a luxury yacht out of Bermuda, as they were in and out the same day, so arrangements were made to hire one  out of Monte Carlo and venture far enough out to not see any land. A lovely boat, but I had a horrendous hang-over, however, I managed to get all Denis?s links very clean of anything else, at various places around the yacht.
The Director rang me at home later, and said: ?Pat, I can?t hear the engines!?. Excellent, I replied, for I had supplied lots of different FX tracks so they could be laid in as required. I was working on the feature film principle of providing ?clean? dialogue.

Another watery story:
Working on a 7 part BBC series following the McLaren F1 team around a few bits of the world, the last race of the season that year was in Adelaide, and was fairly laid back. Apparently the local yacht club (at Brighton, on the coast!) usually issued an invitation to take the teams? mechanics for a day?s sailing. The President of the club, on hearing that a film crew was shadowing McLaren, insisted that we come on his boat. Nick Struthers was the cameraman, and when he saw the vessel, was ecstatic, as there were only two built in the world, and he had sailed on the other one! It was stripped to very basic fittings, and the President was determined to win the little race that had been organised. We set off up the river for a while, and one boat lost its mast when it collided with a pylon! Turning out to sea, I had never seen, or been in, waves of that height! After a while, Nick decided that it was too dodgy to continue filming, so we strapped the camera and sound recorder kit into two hammocks in the cabin, and I positioned myself on the companionway steps as being the centre of gravity, and less likely to affect me with the boat?s motion. I was really relieved to return to a hot shower in the clubhouse!

My first trip in a Heli was over the Sahara desert on ?The Little Prince? Trying to do radio sync playback!! (That?s another story). Sufficient to say that the Tunisian army provided the aircraft and as the pilot was the spitting image of Omar Sharif, all the ladies on the unit were lusting when he walked into the hotel dining room!
 
Whatever other TVC folks say, I still maintain that the experiences I had as a freelance, interesting, exciting, sometimes frightening were not to be missed.

Regards
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1into two hammocks in the cabin.
Sent: 24 October 2020 18:41
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A subsequent sequence on a luxurious gin palace served as a most welcome contrast.
 Alan Taylor

On 24 Oct 2020, at 16:34, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
If you think Keith cut things fine you should have tried "Michael" from the same helicopter establishment. MMS was as skilled a flier as Keith but even more of a daredevil. He would run VNE checks on aircraft at extreme low level just because he could - and swore blind that he was above 500ft and the altimeter must be faulty. He did get the low level stuff wrong on one occasion when he went under some 33kV power lines and got a flashover that welded the doors. It took several months to get that aircraft flying again.
Both pilots were ex air-sea rescue and the flew with a level of verve that none of the current civilian pilots can quite equal.
Chris Woolf



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 25 16:01:49 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:01:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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Not one, but three stories! You win again! Cheers, Dave

On 24/10/2020 21:50, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Chris? story about flying under power lines is really scary!
>
> A very good friend is ex-Navy and knew Keith.
>
> My chum flew helicopters at sea ? his Wessex is in the museum at 
> Yeovilton.
>
> Gin Palace:
>
> LWT produced ?It?ll be Alright on the Night?. On the 25^th episode, 
> Denis Norden wanted to shoot his links from the Bermuda Triangle, as 
> he reckoned that?s where most of the off-cuts ended up! There was no 
> possibility of chartering a luxury yacht out of Bermuda, as they were 
> in and out the same day, so arrangements were made to hire one? out of 
> Monte Carlo and venture far enough out to not see any land. A lovely 
> boat, but I had a horrendous hang-over, however, I managed to get all 
> Denis?s links very clean of anything else, at various places around 
> the yacht.
>
> The Director rang me at home later, and said: ?Pat, I can?t hear the 
> engines!?. Excellent, I replied, for I had supplied lots of different 
> FX tracks so they could be laid in as required. I was working on the 
> feature film principle of providing ?clean? dialogue.
>
> Another watery story:
>
> Working on a 7 part BBC series following the McLaren F1 team around a 
> few bits of the world, the last race of the season that year was in 
> Adelaide, and was fairly laid back. Apparently the local yacht club 
> (at Brighton, on the coast!) usually issued an invitation to take the 
> teams? mechanics for a day?s sailing. The President of the club, on 
> hearing that a film crew was shadowing McLaren, insisted that we come 
> on _his_ boat. Nick Struthers was the cameraman, and when he saw the 
> vessel, was ecstatic, as there were only two built in the world, and 
> he had sailed on the other one! It was stripped to very basic 
> fittings, and the President was determined to win the little race that 
> had been organised. We set off up the river for a while, and one boat 
> lost its mast when it collided with a pylon! Turning out to sea, I had 
> never seen, or been in, waves of that height! After a while, Nick 
> decided that it was too dodgy to continue filming, so we strapped the 
> camera and sound recorder kit into two hammocks in the cabin, and I 
> positioned myself on the companionway steps as being the centre of 
> gravity, and less likely to affect me with the boat?s motion. I was 
> really relieved to return to a hot shower in the clubhouse!
>
> My first trip in a Heli was over the Sahara desert on ?The Little 
> Prince? Trying to do radio sync playback!! (That?s another story). 
> Sufficient to say that the Tunisian army provided the aircraft and as 
> the pilot was the spitting image of Omar Sharif, all the ladies on the 
> unit were lusting when he walked into the hotel dining room!
>
> Whatever other TVC folks say, I still maintain that the experiences I 
> had as a freelance, interesting, exciting, sometimes frightening were 
> not to be missed.
>
> Regards
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>into two 
> hammocks in the cabin.
> *Sent: *24 October 2020 18:41
> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit 
> Electronic!)
>
> A subsequent sequence on a luxurious gin palace served as a most 
> welcome contrast.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>     On 24 Oct 2020, at 16:34, Chris Woolf via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>     ?
>
>     If you think Keith cut things fine you should have tried "Michael"
>     from the same helicopter establishment. MMS was as skilled a flier
>     as Keith but even more of a daredevil. He would run VNE checks on
>     aircraft at extreme low level just because he could - and swore
>     blind that he was above 500ft and the altimeter must be faulty. He
>     did get the low level stuff wrong on one occasion when he went
>     under some 33kV power lines and got a flashover that welded the
>     doors. It took several months to get that aircraft flying again.
>
>     Both pilots were ex air-sea rescue and the flew with a level of
>     verve that none of the current civilian pilots can quite equal.
>
>     Chris Woolf
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Oct 25 16:55:13 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 21:55:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Oops!
Message-ID: <afb22ffc-a710-183d-0e6a-97c574601c27@btinternet.com>

I got out of bed this morning after the most enormous flash of lightning 
and thunderclap and thought how dark it was. When I switched the PC on 
the time seemed to be wrong so I reset it. When I went into the kitchen 
where there was a radio-controlled clock it was also showing the wrong 
time! Then I switched the TV on and all the programs were wrong! Whoops! 
For only the second time in my history I had forgotten to put the bl**dy 
clocks back! I had told Doreen that they had to be changed but totally 
forgot. The only other time I had ever forgotten was the day of a SUE 
shoot in Marlow covering the Ladies Boat Race! I rushed into Kendal 
Avenue to meet 'my' cameraperson, Selwyn Cox, and we sped off to Marlow. 
Poor old Selwyn was dispatched to a moored boat in the middle of the 
Thames for the day while I spent the day on dry land! Campbell Ferguson 
(sports PA) invited us to his local in the town and that allowed Selwyn 
to return to normality! Another happy SUE day! Cheers, Dave.



From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Mon Oct 26 03:53:11 2020
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:53:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Oops!
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Ah well! Another trigger for the memory bank.

Due in at Studio D at 9.30AM? in the early '60s, with my flatmate away 
one Autumn day (Tony Powell), I'd remembered to change the clocks. The 
drive from Isleworth was on unusually quiet roads, to readily find a 
space in Lime Grove and thence into an empty studio, save for a lone 
electrician. "You're a bit early" he said. Indeed I was; some 2 hours 
early, having set my alarm clock forward, not back.? That was only 55+ 
years ago, so 'scuse the lapse if I've again counted the time change in 
the wrong direction!

Hugh

On 25-Oct-20 9:55 PM, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I got out of bed this morning after the most enormous flash of 
> lightning and thunderclap and thought how dark it was. When I switched 
> the PC on the time seemed to be wrong so I reset it. When I went into 
> the kitchen where there was a radio-controlled clock it was also 
> showing the wrong time! Then I switched the TV on and all the programs 
> were wrong! Whoops! For only the second time in my history I had 
> forgotten to put the bl**dy clocks back! I had told Doreen that they 
> had to be changed but totally forgot. The only other time I had ever 
> forgotten was the day of a SUE shoot in Marlow covering the Ladies 
> Boat Race! I rushed into Kendal Avenue to meet 'my' cameraperson, 
> Selwyn Cox, and we sped off to Marlow. Poor old Selwyn was dispatched 
> to a moored boat in the middle of the Thames for the day while I spent 
> the day on dry land! Campbell Ferguson (sports PA) invited us to his 
> local in the town and that allowed Selwyn to return to normality! 
> Another happy SUE day! Cheers, Dave.
>
>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 26 05:48:56 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:48:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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Hi Dave and all,
I don?t view the telling of stories as being in a competitive sense. I?m just glad that looking back at 77, I was lucky enough to land in a career that gave rise to such experiences.
Initially my father advised an apprenticeship in engineering, as that was what he did ? becoming a trained engineer with Vosper Thorneycroft. So I applied to Vickers Armstrong at Weybridge.
They didn?t want me! Thank goodness! I might have spent years standing behind a lathe in their metal working shop, talking football and Saturday boozing with the ?mates?. Instead, I had the pleasure of working with really nice people at TVC, in a ?show-biz? environment that was truly fascinating and the BBC Club afterwards. Made some good friends there, and still meeting up from time to time all these years later. So I?m grateful that I followed my own ?Yellow Brick Road? if you like, and loved every minute, not regretting anything. (OK I made some mistakes I?m not proud of, and that with Marty McFly?s ability to travel back and put things right, I would have seized the opportunity!)

All the best
Pat

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From: dave.mdv
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)

Not one, but three stories! You win again! Cheers, Dave



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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 10:02:18 2020
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:02:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
Message-ID: <66A47EFC-3EC5-4A9A-ABBB-AD3478494649@zero51.force9.co.uk>

There?s an obit pic of Frank Bough on the BBC News website captioned ?Tranquil in the Maelstrom of Live Sport.? Also featuring John Dean sitting on a 2001 ped base also taking disruptive maelstroms in his stride. 
Frank was indeed unflappable and approachable, including joining the studio crew for a studio floor viewing of ?hot off the press? Christmas VT. Sadly missed for the last 22 years!


Peter Fox


From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Mon Oct 26 10:05:47 2020
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:05:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Time
Message-ID: <68B46A90-BBE4-4718-8907-9CA578D1F096@zero51.force9.co.uk>

32 years! 

Peter Fox


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 26 10:09:14 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:09:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 26 10:12:21 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:12:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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I still maintain that the experiences I had as a freelance, interesting, exciting, sometimes frightening were not to be missed.
Here?s a frightening one:
The job was to update the safety video shown to all the off-shore crews of the gas and oil rigs in the North Sea.
So, clad in the orange flotation suit, we embarked on the Puma helicopter bound for the Montrose ?A? gas rig, some miles off Aberdeen. As we were last on board the aircraft, my seat was right at the back, next to a very tiny escape window. I doubt that I would have been able to exit, particularly as there was a very large 16 stone engineer next to the said window!
On landing on the rig, the admin people were brilliant, within five minutes they had got our next of kin details (!) and shown the emergency escape routes - knotted ropes to the sea, lifeboats etc. There was a safety boat, constantly circling the platform. I did not envy that crew, as it must have been (a) uncomfortable, and (b) highly boring.
As the video update was required as a result of the Piper Alpha fire disaster, we were each billeted overnight in a shared cabin with a regular rig crew member, as he would know what to do in an emergency. I never met him to speak to as I was in my bunk when he came off shift, and I was out before him, come the morning.
The cabins were equipped with fire-resistant gloves, as when the Piper Alpha happened, folks got terribly burnt hands as the stairs rails were practically red hot. Knowing that much, I did not get much sleep, that night. (too effing scared!).
Us video crew were not that popular when the time came for the trip back to the mainland. We needed shots of the heli landing and taking off, so a delay for the guys anxious to get away was unwelcome, while this took place.
One thing that I did note, was that the catering was absolutely first class ? couldn?t have got better in the Savoy or Ritz. Came across similar on a construction site in Saudi Arabia (?nother story, hatching!).

Regards
Pat
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Oct 26 13:58:05 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 18:58:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Another SUE story ctd. (i.e. Sports Unit Electronic!)
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OK, the next story, following on from the North Sea Gas rig one:
This was an update shoot on the progress of a water treatment installation on the shores of the Red Sea, in Saudi Arabia.
I?ve attached it as a Word.docx as it?s quite large.
Best
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From mibridge at mac.com  Mon Oct 26 17:41:00 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 22:41:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
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I may have recounted this before, but if I have, Frank?s demise seems an appropriate time to repeat it. I was well used to being on the receiving end of Frank?s microphone and winding down the preset gain. He also used to come in very clearly on other people?s mics, especially if the other party was a bit timid. But I had not experienced him in full flow at first hand, and when we gathered for the briefing meeting for the Moscow Olympics I found myself sitting just in front of Frank. After his preliminary preamble, Alec Weeks invited questions from the floor and Frank duly responded with a blast that nearly knocked me off my chair! I don?t remember the question, but it wasn?t as if it was anything controversial to make him stress his point, he was just naturally very loud and full frequency. (And a very nice chap)

When he was eventually forced out after newspaper revelations, I found it ironic that he had once told me that he was considered to be the most boring man in the Nationwide office because he never touched up any of the females!

How times have changed!

Mike G


> On 26 Oct 2020, at 15:02, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There?s an obit pic of Frank Bough on the BBC News website captioned ?Tranquil in the Maelstrom of Live Sport.? Also featuring John Dean sitting on a 2001 ped base also taking disruptive maelstroms in his stride. 
> Frank was indeed unflappable and approachable, including joining the studio crew for a studio floor viewing of ?hot off the press? Christmas VT. Sadly missed for the last 22 years!
> 
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
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From alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net  Tue Oct 27 11:01:01 2020
From: alex.thomas1 at talktalk.net (Alex Thomas)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:01:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
Message-ID: <000801d6ac7a$5e7b8830$1b729890$@talktalk.net>




I was at Arromanches with Frank and Selina to do a breakfast show on the anniversary of the D-Day landings. The radio check feed was coming from Rowridge on to a large aerial mounted on the cliff above us.

The Autocue was operated from Lime Grove and sent down some wires via Paris.
 It was apparent that the feed was completely lost somewhere in France.

Frank did not bat an eyelid and reassured Selina, who was very dependent on autocue, with minutes to TX that he could cope and he did.

He relied on clear talkback and a dodgy Radio check picture which deteriorated as the tide came in.

Francis Wilson did the weather forecasts from the top of the cliff but as he was a bit excitable, the floor manager, the late Peter March, tied a rope round his ankle so that he could not fall over the edge of the cliff. The rope was out of shot.

Alex Thomas



From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 27 11:17:25 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:17:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
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Was anybody there when Frank  said in a intro 
Here?s your Carpenter, Harry Commentater!
Roger

Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Oct 2020, at 16:01, Alex Thomas via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> I was at Arromanches with Frank and Selina to do a breakfast show on the anniversary of the D-Day landings. The radio check feed was coming from Rowridge on to a large aerial mounted on the cliff above us.
> 
> The Autocue was operated from Lime Grove and sent down some wires via Paris.
> It was apparent that the feed was completely lost somewhere in France.
> 
> Frank did not bat an eyelid and reassured Selina, who was very dependent on autocue, with minutes to TX that he could cope and he did.
> 
> He relied on clear talkback and a dodgy Radio check picture which deteriorated as the tide came in.
> 
> Francis Wilson did the weather forecasts from the top of the cliff but as he was a bit excitable, the floor manager, the late Peter March, tied a rope round his ankle so that he could not fall over the edge of the cliff. The rope was out of shot.
> 
> Alex Thomas
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 12:56:22 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:56:22 +0000
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I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 27 12:57:32 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:57:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
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When he was doing Grandstand, there was a talkback device named after him, the famous Bough Box. It would be nice to hear the story of that, from Dave M perhaps and how long it survived as I think it was still in use after he moved on,
Geoff

> On 27 Oct 2020, at 16:17, Roger Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Was anybody there when Frank  said in a intro 
> Here?s your Carpenter, Harry Commentater!
> Roger
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 27 Oct 2020, at 16:01, Alex Thomas via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> I was at Arromanches with Frank and Selina to do a breakfast show on the anniversary of the D-Day landings. The radio check feed was coming from Rowridge on to a large aerial mounted on the cliff above us.
>> 
>> The Autocue was operated from Lime Grove and sent down some wires via Paris.
>> It was apparent that the feed was completely lost somewhere in France.
>> 
>> Frank did not bat an eyelid and reassured Selina, who was very dependent on autocue, with minutes to TX that he could cope and he did.
>> 
>> He relied on clear talkback and a dodgy Radio check picture which deteriorated as the tide came in.
>> 
>> Francis Wilson did the weather forecasts from the top of the cliff but as he was a bit excitable, the floor manager, the late Peter March, tied a rope round his ankle so that he could not fall over the edge of the cliff. The rope was out of shot.
>> 
>> Alex Thomas
>> 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 27 13:35:42 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:35:42 +0000
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Well it does say 'overpack' on the box, what do you expect! They are 
obviously very fragile! Cheers, Dave

On 27/10/2020 17:56, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Oct 27 13:36:47 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:36:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:
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That?s not overpackaging, you just didn?t buy enough capacitors!
? Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 27 Oct 2020, at 17:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 27 13:44:37 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:44:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] LG monitor going cheap
Message-ID: <78882288-6FE2-429E-AEBD-6F0842EDF017@btinternet.com>

Anyone interested in offering something for this LG monitor. Based in West London can deliver if not too far.
Albert



02087411871
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Oct 27 13:47:22 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:47:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
Message-ID: <cccfcc6c-5f09-2516-e645-08ca9cbe452e@btinternet.com>

I think you are referring to the 'Bough Phone' Geoff. It was one of 
those awful 'Delta' phones shaped like a large door wedge and wouldn't 
stay in place without a 6" nail through it! (we never tried that but 
that's what it needed!) Good memory of yours!? It's such a pity that he 
blotted his copybook as, from our point of view, he was a consumate 
professional, as was DC and Steve Rider. (BTW, I met Steve in the 
Longleat Centre Parcs holiday venue when he was there with his village 
on a weekend break!). I was surprised to see Steve on a recent 
'Celebrity Egg-Heads' and he didn't know the shape of the Australian 
Rules football! I won't mention the other well-known Sports presenter, 
David Icke, who seems to have turned into an alien (oops, done it, 
sorry!). Cheers, Dave



From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Oct 27 14:06:12 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 19:06:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:
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You should have asked for condensers, they would have been smaller.

Alan Taylor



> On 27 Oct 2020, at 17:57, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
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> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020, 12:47
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Oct 27 17:16:37 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 22:16:37 +0000
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I would say that the box has plenty of ?capacity?!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 27 October 2020 17:57
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing




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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Oct 27 17:27:04 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 22:27:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:
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For those who use CPC, there is a sneaky way to get next day delivery on an order.  Just add a little pack of batteries to your order and they send the package via UPS rather than Royal Mail.  UPS generally deliver the next day.

Most of us get through a fair few AA or AAA cells, but button cells are used on a lot of stuff too and it?s worth keeping appropriate ones in the house too.

Alan Taylor



> On 27 Oct 2020, at 22:17, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I would say that the box has plenty of ?capacity?!
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: 27 October 2020 17:57
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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> I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing
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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Oct 27 17:41:59 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 22:41:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Frank Bough
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The Bof Phone, as it was often spelt, was a Special Projects system that allowed the editor to use a phone in the PCR (at least one set of the kit used a Trimphone). Picking up the phone cut talkback to the presenter?s deaf-aid and substituted the phone mic, whilst at the same time putting presenter prehear on the phone earpiece. This meant that the editor and the presenter could hold a conversation whilst the producer continued to direct everyone else on talkback. Unfortunately, the editor often stayed too close to his TB mic, so we all enjoyed the benefit of his pronouncements, whether we were interested or not ~ to be fair, sound often picked up clues for what was to come later, so forewarned was forearmed, but it didn?t? make talkback any more intelligible. There was a specific set of cables for the presenter?s mic and deaf-aid with a push-button which rang the buzzer on the phone to alert the editor that the presenter needed a word, but the advent of presenter prehear on a PCR speaker made that almost redundant because the presenter only needed to call out to the editor to get him to pick up the phone.

When TC5 had its final refurbishment, we abandoned the Bof Phone and simply gave the editor a button to speak to the presenter?s deaf-aid, with a deaf-aid for the editor carrying presenter pre-hear. The button cut talkback to the presenter and substituted the editor?s mic, whilst taking the editor off talkback, much to cameras delight, but in the SCR we used to take a snoop of his mic so as to know what plans were being hatched, before the producer re-interpreted the editor?s ramblings.

Mike G



> On 27 Oct 2020, at 17:57, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> When he was doing Grandstand, there was a talkback device named after him, the famous Bough Box. It would be nice to hear the story of that, from Dave M perhaps and how long it survived as I think it was still in use after he moved on,
> Geoff
> 
>> On 27 Oct 2020, at 16:17, Roger Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Was anybody there when Frank  said in a intro 
>> Here?s your Carpenter, Harry Commentater!
>> Roger
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27 Oct 2020, at 16:01, Alex Thomas via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I was at Arromanches with Frank and Selina to do a breakfast show on the anniversary of the D-Day landings. The radio check feed was coming from Rowridge on to a large aerial mounted on the cliff above us.
>>> 
>>> The Autocue was operated from Lime Grove and sent down some wires via Paris.
>>> It was apparent that the feed was completely lost somewhere in France.
>>> 
>>> Frank did not bat an eyelid and reassured Selina, who was very dependent on autocue, with minutes to TX that he could cope and he did.
>>> 
>>> He relied on clear talkback and a dodgy Radio check picture which deteriorated as the tide came in.
>>> 
>>> Francis Wilson did the weather forecasts from the top of the cliff but as he was a bit excitable, the floor manager, the late Peter March, tied a rope round his ankle so that he could not fall over the edge of the cliff. The rope was out of shot.
>>> 
>>> Alex Thomas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 28 06:23:48 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:23:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:
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In article
<CAA7MLyGyajFoM0XyZ5TT6-_k8vQqQjsyPd1_i_7-EHAptJT8sQ at mail.gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing

Par for the course with CPC.

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 28 08:54:30 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 13:54:30 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:
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In article <105056F3-43F4-4A8E-9D67-07AEB87D33E8 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> For those who use CPC, there is a sneaky way to get next day delivery on
> an order.  Just add a little pack of batteries to your order and they
> send the package via UPS rather than Royal Mail.  UPS generally deliver
> the next day.

Hmm.

Ages ago, when CPC introduced free postage on pretty well everything, they
seemed to change from RM to UPS here. And I had several instances of them
simply leaving a card saying they'd attempted delivery - when I was in.
And no second attempt - you had to collect from the their depot, which is
miles from here. My RM sorting office is quite local, if they miss me
being in.

But that was years ago. Not really been buying a lot from them recently.

-- 
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct 28 09:23:12 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 14:23:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:
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References: <CAA7MLyFd+MTkze=o9Oc6fseN5sX8PZ6YkftRkX2N32OpOh2iAQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA7MLyGyajFoM0XyZ5TT6-_k8vQqQjsyPd1_i_7-EHAptJT8sQ@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863DB5AEC44A027AAD45BCAA7170@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

In the grand scheme of things, at least the box and padding are 100% recyclable and the size has little impact on the energy and carbon emissions getting it to you, whereas the capacitors have air/sea miles all the way from China, with all the environmental implications that that entails.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 28 Oct 2020, at 11:32, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article
> <CAA7MLyGyajFoM0XyZ5TT6-_k8vQqQjsyPd1_i_7-EHAptJT8sQ at mail.gmail.com>,
>   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I bought a few capacitors. Interesting packing
> 
> Par for the course with CPC.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Oct 28 10:28:14 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:28:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] (no subject)
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Carding a house without bothering to knock is something done by dodgy drivers for various delivery companies. At my old house I had CCTV on the front door and on countless occasions found that a driver walked up to my house with a card already filled in and put it through the door without attempting to ring the bell or knock. Others left parcels on the front step without ringing or knocking.

In the village where I live, a delivery driver will already have had the hassle of getting here, so they make sure that they either hand over the parcel, or leave it in a sensible place so that they don't have to bother coming here again the next day.

We have had the same UPS driver delivering here for several years and he's great.

When I buy stuff online and the sender uses a delivery firm which allows me to track the delivery in real time, I always provide positive feedback praising their choice of delivery service and if it's a dodgy service, will mention if they were let down by their choice of delivery service. 

Alan Taylor





On 28 Oct 2020, at 28 Oct . 13:54, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <105056F3-43F4-4A8E-9D67-07AEB87D33E8 at me.com>,
>   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> For those who use CPC, there is a sneaky way to get next day delivery on
>> an order.  Just add a little pack of batteries to your order and they
>> send the package via UPS rather than Royal Mail.  UPS generally deliver
>> the next day.
> 
> Hmm.
> 
> Ages ago, when CPC introduced free postage on pretty well everything, they
> seemed to change from RM to UPS here. And I had several instances of them
> simply leaving a card saying they'd attempted delivery - when I was in.
> And no second attempt - you had to collect from the their depot, which is
> miles from here. My RM sorting office is quite local, if they miss me
> being in.
> 
> But that was years ago. Not really been buying a lot from them recently.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 28 10:34:14 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:34:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Driving licence
Message-ID: <f527ed74-b9b9-c8c3-effb-13b3f7527289@btinternet.com>

I have just had a quick panic when I noticed that my drivinglicence 
expires on Saturday, and I haven't received a renewal application yet! 
But........... when I went onto their website I found out that it has 
been extended for 11 months due to the lovely virus! I won't hear a word 
against it now! Cheers, Dave



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 28 10:42:01 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 15:42:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Driving licence
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I admit to viewing ?Police Interceptors? ? mainly because I know, very well, the guy who does the re-recording mix.
I am amazed and a little bit relieved that most of the naughty people that get apprehended are from the Northern Counties.
It?s a common occasion that drivers attempting to outrun the cops are guilty of: no insurance, no MOT, and no licence.
Obviously they believe that our laws do not apply to them!

Pat

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 28 11:26:32 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 16:26:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] (no subject)
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In article <8728A56D-85E0-4700-B497-0178CF7C0BEA at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Carding a house without bothering to knock is something done by dodgy
> drivers for various delivery companies. At my old house I had CCTV on
> the front door and on countless occasions found that a driver walked up
> to my house with a card already filled in and put it through the door
> without attempting to ring the bell or knock. Others left parcels on the
> front step without ringing or knocking.

Yes. A pal said he'd seen a driver parked up in a quiet spot filling in
what appeared to be cards. Much quicker to stick them through the
letterbox than to do an actual delivery. Of course that only works if they
don't have to deliver again at their cost.

I have two old real doorbells - one at the top of the house, other in the
hall. And even at my advanced age can still hear them above the radio,
etc. I got so fed up of people using the door knocker, I removed it. The
bell push has two very bright LEDs - which should give a clue it's not one
of those stupid wireless ones.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 28 12:54:40 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 17:54:40 +0000
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Perhaps I?m lucky, here in Bookham.
If it?s a Hermes delivery, the local guy has been to me several times, so knows me. I?m in a first floor flat, so if stuff via a different service, they usually leave it on my doormat, it cannot be seen from the ground floor outside. A knock on the door, usually, but by the time I?ve answered, they are away!
Best
Pat

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Oct 28 13:54:25 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 18:54:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] (no subject)
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BV, (Before Virus), we had a very nice Hermes man who had his van stolen 
whilst delivering in Claygate. He had parked on the customers drive and 
hadn't locked it! His wife also delivered, but she told me about how bad 
Hermes were to their employees. Whilst waiting in their depot for the 
big delivery lorry to bring the parcels in they weren't paid for 
'waiting time', and then they had to do a certain number of deliveries 
that day, hence the temptation to 'drop and run'! Cheers, Dave

On 28/10/2020 17:54, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Perhaps I?m lucky, here in Bookham.
>
> If it?s a Hermes delivery, the local guy has been to me several times, 
> so knows me. I?m in a first floor flat, so if stuff via a different 
> service, they usually leave it on my doormat, it cannot be seen from 
> the ground floor outside. A knock on the door, usually, but by the 
> time I?ve answered, they are away!
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 28 16:01:28 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:01:28 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Driving licence
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It?s worth checking your bus pass too if you have one to avoid the annoyance of having to pay when you come to use it because it?s past it?s ?Use by? date,
Geoff

> On 28 Oct 2020, at 15:34, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I have just had a quick panic when I noticed that my drivinglicence expires on Saturday, and I haven't received a renewal application yet! But........... when I went onto their website I found out that it has been extended for 11 months due to the lovely virus! I won't hear a word against it now! Cheers, Dave
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct 28 16:17:47 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:17:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Driving licence
In-Reply-To: <401E956C-5839-4ADC-97AB-BD0E2316E9F9@gmail.com>
References: <f527ed74-b9b9-c8c3-effb-13b3f7527289@btinternet.com>,
	<401E956C-5839-4ADC-97AB-BD0E2316E9F9@gmail.com>
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My wife and I have two cars, one of which was off-road in our driveway, and wasn?t even started up for five months. A few days ago, a letter from Directline Insurance offering a rebate on both for the low usage since March 2020.
Check it out with your insurers.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 28 Oct 2020, at 21:02, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?It?s worth checking your bus pass too if you have one to avoid the annoyance of having to pay when you come to use it because it?s past it?s ?Use by? date,
> Geoff
> 
>> On 28 Oct 2020, at 15:34, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I have just had a quick panic when I noticed that my drivinglicence expires on Saturday, and I haven't received a renewal application yet! But........... when I went onto their website I found out that it has been extended for 11 months due to the lovely virus! I won't hear a word against it now! Cheers, Dave
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Oct 28 16:19:56 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:19:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Driving licence
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Good-Oh! Did you fill in a SORN?
Pat

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Sent: 28 October 2020 21:18
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From Waresound at msn.com  Wed Oct 28 16:57:37 2020
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 21:57:37 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Driving licence
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No, because then you couldn?t use the car if you needed to. it?s based on mileage since your last MOT (or recorded mileage at last service, which happens to coincide with our insurance renewal dates), then averaged per week.
N.
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On 28 Oct 2020, at 21:19, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

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Good-Oh! Did you fill in a SORN?
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From sue.malden at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 29 02:50:15 2020
From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (Sue Malden)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 07:50:15 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Nice camera tower
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Hi Dave
I had hoped to be able to find the LKC documentary , but having checked with the bfi, BBC and Ealing Films, I drew a blank! But Im hopeful it might be found somewhere given there  is print and neg  somewhere. This is why I shared this info with you - perhaps we can organise an appeal among Tech ops contacts .
Your knowledge of LKC is spot on. I will  send you the PasB for it separately.
Secondly, the BEHP   www.historyproject.org.uk which I mentioned before has all the following references to Mackendrick in interviews that we hold
Peter Proud
Interview Number: 
27
Bernard Gribble
Interview Number: 
369
Sidney Cole
Interview Number: 
7
Lionel Banes
Interview Number: 
45
Diana Morgan
Interview Number: 
265
Dick Horn
Interview Number: 
468
Elizabeth Furse (nee Wolpert)
Interview Number: 
202
Charles Crichton
Interview Number: 
72
Philip Leacock
Interview Number: 
25
James (Jimmy) Gilbert
Mary Harvey (Welford)
Interview Number: 
390
Peter Tanner
Interview Number: 
13
Anthony Mendleson
Interview Number: 
280

Cheers Sue

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From: Dave Buckley <david.jasma at sky.com> 
Sent: 28 October 2020 16:51
To: Sue Malden <sue.malden at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Nice camera tower

Hi Sue,

Many thanks for the reply about The Ladykillers. For all these years, I hadn't realised that Location Kings Cross was made by Ealing Films - not the BBC, something I should have worked out!

As it happens, I have recently finished reading Lethal Innocence, the cinema of Alexander Mackendrick, who directed The Ladykillers. Although this was published in 1991 and I have had the book for a number of years, it's only due to the present situation that I found time to actually read it!

In the notes about The Ladykillers, Location Kings Cross is mentioned in the reference section - 'TV programme on the filming of the picture introduced by Mackendrick. It went out on the BBC on 5th January 1956,
7.30 - 8pm. The producer was Alan Sleath'. I am surprised that the film appears to have disappeared, surely somewhere in an archive, there's a print! (So did the writer of the book get to see LKC, and if so, where did he get the print?)

Ah well, you can't win them all.

Incidentally, if you want any assistance with transcribing aural interviews, I have done a few in the past, and would be pleased to assist. Please get in touch if I can help.

All the best,

Dave Buckley

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 29 06:53:51 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 11:53:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
Message-ID: <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86@btinternet.com>


Hi Pat,

Apologies for the delayed reply. My ageing Cameraman's eyesight is now 
so fuzzy, I'm struggling to see the screen. (Fear not, I have an 
appointment with a laser tomorrow.)

It's all make-believe, Pat. It's a film. It's Tele. It's not real. So, 
one Director wants his star actually standing on the rim of Mount 
Cotapaxi, and the crew have to haul their ironmongery up to the top, 
while another Director chooses to create the same shot using a green 
screen and virtual reality. You may think that one is "more real" than 
the other but, either way, by the time it reaches the Viewer it's just a 
pattern of pixels on a screen and audio digits. It's not real. A lot of 
important people work in Real Life - from Bus Drivers to Brain Surgeons 
- but we didn't. We worked in Entertainment, which should never be 
confused with reality.

To me the appeal of Camerawork was in making pictures - same reason I 
enjoy drawing and painting - and doing things with pictures - composing 
them, moving them; changing perspective; manipulating them in a way that 
manipulates the feelings of the viewers. Choosing an angle or a 
development to create an atmosphere, or change the apparent personality 
of a character. I liked the Cameraman's role as con-man, convincing the 
viewers that they've seen something that the production budget couldn't 
really afford.

I can understand the glamour of travelling the world, visiting exotic 
locations, and getting paid a lot of money for it - particularly if the 
hotel's comfy, the weather's nice and the scenery is photogenic. But I 
always found location shooting to be ultimately unsatisfying. All too 
often it's a lot of effort to shoot a talking-head, from a static 
tripod, while wiping rain from the lens. Not exactly high art. And, what 
is there to photograph? Just stuff that's actually there! Where's the 
creativity in that? Anyone can do that. O.K. there's a different sort of 
challenge getting there in the first place - lugging heavy flight cases 
through malarial swamps; evading the drug cartels; etc.- but, 
personally, (and I may be peculiar here) I've never seen the fun in any 
of that.



I was always happier in a world of false-perspective sets; glass 
paintings; suspended foreground miniatures; model work; split screens; 
inlay and overlay; 3-D V.R,; etc. and a unique 
double-sided-rotating-mirror shot! With these the camera could compose 
pictures beyond anything that the eye could see in real life. Nowadays, 
it's all done on computers in post-production, which is no fun. But in 
the more Heath-Robinson days of my youth, when we were still inventing 
new ways of doing things, it all had to happen on camera, and the 
Cameraman played a key role in creating the magic.

Other things I liked about multi-camera, as-live studio work - 
particularly drama.

A: There's that stonking great adrenalin rush that comes when the red 
light goes on. After almost three days of rehearsal, slowly cranking up 
the nervous tension to near breaking point, that coiled-spring finally 
goes 'twang'. If you're lucky it'll propel you on a full ninety-minutes 
of nonstop, white-knuckle ride, with fight-or-flight reflexes set to 
maximum. You don't get anything like that with shot-at-a-time work. Then 
(again, if you're lucky) comes the other buzz - the gravity-defying 
euphoria as you realise - "Hey! We did it! Against all odds, it actually 
worked! Even a crap cameraman like me didn't screw it up! (too much). 
And we'll get to the bar early!" If they sold these sensations as pills, 
they'd be illegal. No over-the-counter medication could ever give you a 
double hit like that!

B: The primary reason that a crap Cameraman like me didn't screw it up 
(too often) is because of all the amazing people around me. Not just the 
Camera-Sound-Lighting folks on this mailing list, who are obviously 
wonderful, but all the others - the Production People, the Scene Guys, 
the Sparks, the Floor Staff - many different teams working together as 
one super-team - all focused on the same objective - all supporting one 
another - all spotting the pitfalls ahead of time and digging one 
another out. Even the people who irritated me in the tea-bar became 
life-savers on transmission. (Which proves that any carbon-based 
lifeform, placed under enough pressure, will turn into a diamond!) It is 
a cliche to say that - It has been an honour and privilege to work 
amongst such talented and helpful people - but it has been.

So, Pat, I shall continue to enjoy your tales of intrepid globetrotting 
and "Real Life" tele. but please allow us stay-at-home TV Centre types 
to take equal pleasure in our memories of Real Live tele.

luv, Rog.

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To: "ROGER BUNCE" <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, 22 Oct, 20 At 13:39
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Americans

OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your 
experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the 
galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being able 
to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai temple, or 
on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that arise 
while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich Airport, 
while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand carried the camera, 
and in those days the separate Betacam recorder. The camera got taken 
away to be swabbed for explosive residue, my recorder was required to be 
switched on.
The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down the 
conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a mains socket 
on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow up!? but stopped 
myself just in time!
One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of our 
industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the 
conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip etc. when 
assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may not be English 
fluent but they recognise words that could be construed as weapons. Had 
a problem entering Switzerland by road, with ?snake arms? These were 
bits of cranked metal which fitted an Elemack camera dolly. The Border 
chap was just about to stamp the carnet, then paused, said ? Livestock ? 
I must inspect!? They were buried under several lengths of Elemack track 
in the bottom of the VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski village. 
Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were considered pool 
cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner. It taught me how to 
drive in snow and ice conditions, which is sadly lacking in this 
country, unless you live really up North.
Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can you!

I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long foreign 
location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two lots of ankle 
biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel bar. When separated 
by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other: ? Well, my daddy doesn?t 
like your daddy!?
Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one still 
has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s comment about 
not wishing to be with some folks).

Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I loved 
?Capricorn One?)

Pat


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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 22 October 2020 12:42
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans

I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and 
see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the irony) But 
if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by fog horns is 
"Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have shot it all on 
C.S.O.


But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life. It 
was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the world, 
but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the Horse-Head 
Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time, from Ancient Rome, 
via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the Blitz and Albert Square, to 
the distant future and the very End of the Universe (nice Restaurant!) 
I've been shrunk to the size of an earthworm and flattened inside a 
two-dimensional comic strip. And all this without leaving TV Centre! 
(O.K. the Planet Skaro was at Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the 
sheer exhilaration of doing all these things live, or as-live, will 
always beat the slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.

luv, Rog.


------ Original Message ------
From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
Discuss:
Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home and loving 
family life is far more rewarding than going away for weeks/months at a 
time on often unenjoyable freelance locations, and as aften as not, with 
people you don?t particularly want to be with.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
wrote:
[snip]

?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.

Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life really is 
about!
Pat



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 07:31:11 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 12:31:11 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86@btinternet.com>
References: <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <b647ac13-9cc6-0945-c9d6-5b4ce23729ae@gmail.com>

I'm with Roger!

B



On 29/10/2020 11:53, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Pat,
>
>
> Apologies for the delayed reply. My ageing Cameraman's eyesight is now 
> so fuzzy, I'm struggling to see the screen. (Fear not, I have an 
> appointment with a laser tomorrow.)
>
>
> It's all make-believe, Pat. It's a film. It's Tele. It's not real. So, 
> one Director wants his star actually standing on the rim of Mount 
> Cotapaxi, and the crew have to haul their ironmongery up to the top, 
> while another Director chooses to create the same shot using a green 
> screen and virtual reality. You may think that one is "more real" than 
> the other but, either way, by the time it reaches the Viewer it's just 
> a pattern of pixels on a screen and audio digits. It's not real. A lot 
> of important people work in Real Life - from Bus Drivers to Brain 
> Surgeons - but we didn't. We worked in Entertainment, which should 
> never be confused with reality.
>
>
> To me the appeal of Camerawork was in making pictures - same reason I 
> enjoy drawing and painting - and doing things with pictures - 
> composing them, moving them; changing perspective; manipulating them 
> in a way that manipulates the feelings of the viewers. Choosing an 
> angle or a development to create an atmosphere, or change the apparent 
> personality of a character. I liked the Cameraman's role as con-man, 
> convincing the viewers that they've seen something that the production 
> budget couldn't really afford.
>
>
> I can understand the glamour of travelling the world, visiting exotic 
> locations, and getting paid a lot of money for it - particularly if 
> the hotel's comfy, the weather's nice and the scenery is photogenic. 
> But I always found location shooting to be ultimately unsatisfying. 
> All too often it's a lot of effort to shoot a talking-head, from a 
> static tripod, while wiping rain from the lens. Not exactly high art. 
> And, what is there to photograph? Just stuff that's actually there! 
> Where's the creativity in that? Anyone can do that. O.K. there's a 
> different sort of challenge getting there in the first place - lugging 
> heavy flight cases through malarial swamps; evading the drug cartels; 
> etc.- but, personally, (and I may be peculiar here) I've never seen 
> the fun in any of that.
>
>
> I was always happier in a world of false-perspective sets; glass 
> paintings; suspended foreground miniatures; model work; split screens; 
> inlay and overlay; 3-D V.R,; etc. and a unique 
> double-sided-rotating-mirror shot! With these the camera could compose 
> pictures beyond anything that the eye could see in real life. 
> Nowadays, it's all done on computers in post-production, which is no 
> fun. But in the more Heath-Robinson days of my youth, when we were 
> still inventing new ways of doing things, it all had to happen on 
> camera, and the Cameraman played a key role in creating the magic.
>
>
> Other things I liked about multi-camera, as-live studio work - 
> particularly drama.
>
>
> A: There's that stonking great adrenalin rush that comes when the red 
> light goes on. After almost three days of rehearsal, slowly cranking 
> up the nervous tension to near breaking point, that coiled-spring 
> finally goes 'twang'. If you're lucky it'll propel you on a full 
> ninety-minutes of nonstop, white-knuckle ride, with fight-or-flight 
> reflexes set to maximum. You don't get anything like that with 
> shot-at-a-time work. Then (again, if you're lucky) comes the other 
> buzz - the gravity-defying euphoria as you realise - "Hey! We did it! 
> Against all odds, it actually worked! Even a crap cameraman like me 
> didn't screw it up! (too much). And we'll get to the bar early!" If 
> they sold these sensations as pills, they'd be illegal. No 
> over-the-counter medication could ever give you a double hit like that!
>
>
> B: The primary reason that a crap Cameraman like me didn't screw it up 
> (too often) is because of all the amazing people around me. Not just 
> the Camera-Sound-Lighting folks on this mailing list, who are 
> obviously wonderful, but all the others - the Production People, the 
> Scene Guys, the Sparks, the Floor Staff - many different teams working 
> together as one super-team - all focused on the same objective - all 
> supporting one another - all spotting the pitfalls ahead of time and 
> digging one another out. Even the people who irritated me in the 
> tea-bar became life-savers on transmission. (Which proves that any 
> carbon-based lifeform, placed under enough pressure, will turn into a 
> diamond!) It is a cliche to say that - It has been an honour and 
> privilege to work amongst such talented and helpful people - but it 
> has been.
>
>
> So, Pat, I shall continue to enjoy your tales of intrepid 
> globetrotting and "Real Life" tele. but please allow us stay-at-home 
> TV Centre types to take equal pleasure in our memories of Real Live tele.
>
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
>
>
>     ------ Original Message ------
>     From: "patheigham" <pat.heigham at amps.net>
>     To: "ROGER BUNCE" <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>;
>     "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     Sent: Thursday, 22 Oct, 20 At 13:39
>     Subject: RE: [Tech1] Americans
>
>     OK, Rog, I get what you are saying, but what you pose as your
>     experiences, is as you say, make-believe, not for real.
>
>     Yes, I enjoyed the comfortable surroundings of TVC studios and the
>     galleries, with controlled ventilation and heating etc. But being
>     able to stand amid the ruins of the original Olympia, or in a Thai
>     temple, or on NY?s Broadway, cannot compare with a TV studio!
>
>     Most of the ?fun? is doing your best to overcome problems that
>     arise while trying to do the job, that?s when experience counts.
>
>     One situation that could have gone ugly, was transiting Munich
>     Airport, while a G7 conference was going on. We always hand
>     carried the camera, and in those days the separate Betacam
>     recorder. The camera got taken away to be swabbed for explosive
>     residue, my recorder was required to be switched on.
>
>     The batteries had been removed and were in their case already down
>     the conveyor. With no battery power, the official pointed to a
>     mains socket on the counter. I very nearly said: ?No, it?ll blow
>     up!? but stopped myself just in time!
>
>     One of the things that I tried to instill to younger members of
>     our industry, was to avoid calling bits of sound equipment by the
>     conventional names of ?rifle? or ?shotgun? mike, ?pistol? grip
>     etc. when assembling a customs or carnet list. Border guards may
>     not be English fluent but they recognise words that could be
>     construed as weapons. Had a problem entering Switzerland by road,
>     with ?snake arms? These were bits of cranked metal which fitted an
>     Elemack camera dolly. The Border chap was just about to stamp the
>     carnet, then paused, said ? Livestock ? I must inspect!? They were
>     buried under several lengths of Elemack track in the bottom of the
>     VW vehicle. Thank you, very much!
>
>     That was a nice location, 17 weeks in an undeveloped small ski
>     village. Each dept had a vehicle and come the evening, they were
>     considered pool cars if we wanted to go elsewhere for our dinner.
>     It taught me how to drive in snow and ice conditions, which is
>     sadly lacking in this country, unless you live really up North.
>
>     Well, you cannot get that experience in a nice warm TV studio, can
>     you!
>
>     I will add another proviso ? a movie that I was on, with a long
>     foreign location, allowed family members to come out and stay. Two
>     lots of ankle biters were having a scrap on the floor of the hotel
>     bar. When separated by the parents, one sprog yelled at the other:
>     ? Well, my daddy doesn?t like your daddy!?
>
>     Picked up with pillow talk in the bedroom ? very dangerous, one
>     still has to work with the guys on the crew. (Ref Nick Ware?s
>     comment about not wishing to be with some folks).
>
>     Does anyone still think that the moon landings were faked?( I
>     loved ?Capricorn One?)
>
>     Pat
>
>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>     for Windows 10
>
>     *From: *ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Sent: *22 October 2020 12:42
>     *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>     *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Americans
>
>     I must admit the phrase, "Come out of your comfortable TVC studios
>     and see what life really is about!" worried me. (O.K. I get the
>     irony) But if standing in the freezing rain, being drowned out by
>     fog horns is "Real Life" then I'm against it! Personally, I have
>     shot it all on C.S.O.
>
>
>
>     But that was the whole thing about TV Centre. It wasn't Real Life.
>     It was make-believe - total fantasy. I may not have travelled the
>     world, but I've been to Narnia, and Wonderland, and inside the
>     Horse-Head Nebula, and the Planet Skaro. I've travelled in time,
>     from Ancient Rome, via 18th Century Pyrate ships, London in the
>     Blitz and Albert Square, to the distant future and the very End of
>     the Universe (nice Restaurant!) I've been shrunk to the size of an
>     earthworm and flattened inside a two-dimensional comic strip. And
>     all this without leaving TV Centre! (O.K. the Planet Skaro was at
>     Lime Grove, but you get the idea.) And the sheer exhilaration of
>     doing all these things live, or as-live, will always beat the
>     slow-motion shot-at-a-time stuff which came later.
>
>
>
>     luv, Rog.
>
>
>
>
>
>         ------ Original Message ------
>         From: "Nick Ware via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>         To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>         Sent: Wednesday, 21 Oct, 20 At 11:27
>         Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans
>
>         Discuss:
>
>         Having done both, I?d say that on balance, a comfortable home
>         and loving family life is far more rewarding than going away
>         for weeks/months at a time on often unenjoyable freelance
>         locations, and as aften as not, with people you don?t
>         particularly want to be with.
>         Nick.
>
>         Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>             On 20 Oct 2020, at 16:54, patheigham via Tech1
>             <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>             [snip]
>
>             ?One of the wonderful locations that freelancing gave.
>
>             Come out of your comfortable TVC studios and see what life
>             really is about!
>
>             Pat
>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 29 08:41:41 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:41:41 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86@btinternet.com>
References: <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <58c70efc33davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86 at btinternet.com>,
   ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I can understand the glamour of travelling the world, visiting exotic 
> locations, and getting paid a lot of money for it - particularly if the 
> hotel's comfy, the weather's nice and the scenery is photogenic.

I well remember working on a minor game show for Sky. Made on location.
Depending on how far from London, might involve an overnight stay. With a
production manager determined to keep costs down.

One such was a retreat - not much used weekdays. Miles from anywhere. No
catering of any sort. And signs everywhere saying no drinking or smoking
on the premises. Of course the PM etc and cast were put up in a nice hotel
close to the location.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Oct 29 08:57:01 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 13:57:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <58c70efc33davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <58c70efc33davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <F859DBDE-1CD5-405C-80C2-15EFC75338C5@me.com>

Schemes to fob off the crew with lesser arrangements don?t always go to plan.

I did an OB at the Lord Mayor?s Banquet.  Just before our dinner break, we had a bit of a tech problem and I told the EM to take the the crew and go ahead of us, but to save five places for the sound crew.  When we sorted out the problem, we entered the labyrinth of the Banqueting Hall in search of the crew dining area.

Having got totally lost, I spotted a guy who looked like he worked there and asked where the BBC dining facilities were.  He asked if we were the five from the BBC. I said yes and we were escorted into a rather splendid little dining room and fed with the most delicious food.

Just as we were finishing, the producer walked in along with four members of the production team and were dismayed to discover that we had eaten their special meal.

There wasn?t time to prepare replacement food for them, so they had to join the crew for beer and sandwiches ( without any beer ).

Alan Taylor


> On 29 Oct 2020, at 13:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86 at btinternet.com>,
>   ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I can understand the glamour of travelling the world, visiting exotic 
>> locations, and getting paid a lot of money for it - particularly if R arrangements don?t always the 
>> hotel's comfy, the weather's nice and the scenery is photogenic.
> 
> I well remember working on a minor game show for Sky. Made on location.
> Depending on how far from London, might involve an overnight stay. With a
> production manager determined to keep costs down.
> 
> One such was a retreat - not much used weekdays. Miles from anywhere. No
> catering of any sort. And signs everywhere saying no drinking or smoking
> on the premises. Of course the PM etc and cast were put up in a nice hotel
> close to the location.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct 29 10:55:47 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 15:55:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
Message-ID: <PR3P189MB0857A528CF112D8126D273DAA7140@PR3P189MB0857.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

The opposite of that happened to me and ?my? cameraman, plus our American AP, a local spark, and an interpreter, when in Bucharest shooting a ?piece? about the Romanian Olympic gymnasts.  Young girls, incredibly fit and talented, but so skinny-looking that you would never believe they had the strengh to do what they do. They were all ophan children, brought together for the specific purpose of training as gymnasts. Come lunchtime we were shown to a table that was supposedly for us in amongst all the gymnasts. I?m not sure what we ate, but it tasted fine and was most welcome. As we finished eating, our fixer came into the room looking a bit sheepish, and seeing us there, she said: ?You didn?t eat that food did you?? We said we had, and thankyou very much. She told us we were supposed to be in another room altogether. ?You shouldn?t have eaten what the girls get - it contains steroids and other substances to delay the onset of puberty in young girls?.
Well, suffice to say ?my? cameraman did act a bit strange for a while, but as far as I know, it didn?t have a lasting effect!
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 29 Oct 2020, at 13:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Schemes to fob off the crew with lesser arrangements don?t always go to plan.
> 
> I did an OB at the Lord Mayor?s Banquet.  Just before our dinner break, we had a bit of a tech problem and I told the EM to take the the crew and go ahead of us, but to save five places for the sound crew.  When we sorted out the problem, we entered the labyrinth of the Banqueting Hall in search of the crew dining area.
> 
> Having got totally lost, I spotted a guy who looked like he worked there and asked where the BBC dining facilities were.  He asked if we were the five from the BBC. I said yes and we were escorted into a rather splendid little dining room and fed with the most delicious food.
> 
> Just as we were finishing, the producer walked in along with four members of the production team and were dismayed to discover that we had eaten their special meal.
> 
> There wasn?t time to prepare replacement food for them, so they had to join the crew for beer and sandwiches ( without any beer ).
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>>> On 29 Oct 2020, at 13:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?In article <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86 at btinternet.com>,
>>> ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> I can understand the glamour of travelling the world, visiting exotic
>>> locations, and getting paid a lot of money for it - particularly if R arrangements don?t always the
>>> hotel's comfy, the weather's nice and the scenery is photogenic.
>> I well remember working on a minor game show for Sky. Made on location.
>> Depending on how far from London, might involve an overnight stay. With a
>> production manager determined to keep costs down.
>> One such was a retreat - not much used weekdays. Miles from anywhere. No
>> catering of any sort. And signs everywhere saying no drinking or smoking
>> on the premises. Of course the PM etc and cast were put up in a nice hotel
>> close to the location.
>> --
>> Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>> --
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct 29 11:05:17 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:05:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] MSN mail - weird goungs on
Message-ID: <PR3P189MB0857B1813DFF810B503B318BA7140@PR3P189MB0857.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Something weird going on with MSN today (or iPad). You didn?t need to hear from me three times!!
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 29 11:28:54 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:28:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
In-Reply-To: <F859DBDE-1CD5-405C-80C2-15EFC75338C5@me.com>
References: <58c70efc33davesound@btinternet.com>
	<F859DBDE-1CD5-405C-80C2-15EFC75338C5@me.com>
Message-ID: <5f9aedc6.1c69fb81.23898.f98d@mx.google.com>

I recall a shoot for a corporate video, about continental supermarkets, so we bummed around Northern Europe for a few days. Arriving at a nice little hotel in Belgium, and as we had flown between locations, whereas the producer had driven his Porsche, we were well into dinner before he appeared. Took a look at our plates and said ?Smoked salmon! You ordered smoked salmon??
Our spark, never one to hold back said ?I expect to eat as well on location, as I do at home!?
The client who was with us, said ?Well, I hope to eat better!?

On another shoot for the same producer, he was castigating the cameraman for keeping him waiting between locations.
The cameraman retorted that he didn?t have a ?show-off? Porsche and wasn?t going to exceed the limit on a motorway!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 29 October 2020 13:57
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Americans

Schemes to fob off the crew with lesser arrangements don?t always go to plan.




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 29 11:39:55 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:39:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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Second story....
Job for BBC ? following Josh Gifford, Champion Jockey.
Attended Cheltenham Gold Cup, but unlike ITV companies, no-one had thought to book us a bed for the night. Nothing available locally, well, you wouldn?t expect it, that weekend.
Cast around and finally found a pub with accommodation some miles away. Only one room available, so I and the camera assistant agreed to share.
In the morning, the landlord?s wife brought us our breakfast in bed! She was togged up in the tightest pair of trousers...
Afterwards, we reckoned that if the other hadn?t been there, one might have jumped on her!

Pat

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Schemes to fob off the crew with lesser arrangements don?t always go to plan.




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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Oct 29 11:39:59 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:39:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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On a navy ship during the Queen?s review of the fleet, we were making excellent use of the officer's mess at mealtimes.  Our welcome was particularly warm because the  BBC crew had a whip round and had ?put a barrel on?.

We were warned that on the day of the review, the mess would not be serving meals and that alternative arrangements would be made.  On the day of the review, I was approached by one of the officers, who asked if steak sandwiches would be OK.  Naturally I was happy with that and he asked ?How many??.  I gestured towards the two sound assistants and asked for three.  He promptly returned with nine steak sandwiches, assuming that we each wanted three.  

Navy steak sandwiches are substantial items and it would have been quite challenging to eat more than one, but they were gratefully received by some of the ratings who had been very helpful.

Incidentally, the scanner had been winched on board and was on a lower deck.  The sound desk was aligned sideways in such a way that I was sat on the port side, with the desk on the starboard. The first weird thing was that the dim lighting mode in that scanner was controlled by a corded light switch as used in bathrooms. It was in my eye line, but instead of hanging straight, it was always swinging like a pendulum due to the motion of the ship.  However what made things really bad was that the monitors showed the camera output, which was generally looking forward.  As a result, I felt movement in one plane, saw the pendulum matching it, but what I saw on the screens was movement at 90 degrees to what my body was experiencing. It?s a most uncomfortable situation, especially for somebody like me, who is prone to seasickness. Fortunately my steak sandwich remained in my stomach ( just ).

Alan Taylor

> On 29 Oct 2020, at 15:56, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The opposite of that happened to me and ?my? cameraman, plus our American AP, a local spark, and an interpreter, when in Bucharest shooting a ?piece? about the Romanian Olympic gymnasts.  Young girls, incredibly fit and talented, but so skinny-looking that you would never believe they had the strengh to do what they do. They were all ophan children, brought together for the specific purpose of training as gymnasts. Come lunchtime we were shown to a table that was supposedly for us in amongst all the gymnasts. I?m not sure what we ate, but it tasted fine and was most welcome. As we finished eating, our fixer came into the room looking a bit sheepish, and seeing us there, she said: ?You didn?t eat that food did you?? We said we had, and thankyou very much. She told us we were supposed to be in another room altogether. ?You shouldn?t have eaten what the girls get - it contains steroids and other substances to delay the onset of puberty in young girls?.
> Well, suffice to say ?my? cameraman did act a bit strange for a while, but as far as I know, it didn?t have a lasting effect!
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 29 Oct 2020, at 13:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Schemes to fob off the crew with lesser arrangements don?t always go to plan.
>> 
>> I did an OB at the Lord Mayor?s Banquet.  Just before our dinner break, we had a bit of a tech problem and I told the EM to take the the crew and go ahead of us, but to save five places for the sound crew.  When we sorted out the problem, we entered the labyrinth of the Banqueting Hall in search of the crew dining area.
>> 
>> Having got totally lost, I spotted a guy who looked like he worked there and asked where the BBC dining facilities were.  He asked if we were the five from the BBC. I said yes and we were escorted into a rather splendid little dining room and fed with the most delicious food.
>> 
>> Just as we were finishing, the producer walked in along with four members of the production team and were dismayed to discover that we had eaten their special meal.
>> 
>> There wasn?t time to prepare replacement food for them, so they had to join the crew for beer and sandwiches ( without any beer ).
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>>>> On 29 Oct 2020, at 13:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> ?In article <2e6a5054.1058.1757434fdbf.Webtop.86 at btinternet.com>,
>>>>> ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I can understand the glamour of travelling the world, visiting exotic
>>>>> locations, and getting paid a lot of money for it - particularly if R arrangements don?t always the
>>>>> hotel's comfy, the weather's nice and the scenery is photogenic.
>>> I well remember working on a minor game show for Sky. Made on location.
>>> Depending on how far from London, might involve an overnight stay. With a
>>> production manager determined to keep costs down.
>>> One such was a retreat - not much used weekdays. Miles from anywhere. No
>>> catering of any sort. And signs everywhere saying no drinking or smoking
>>> on the premises. Of course the PM etc and cast were put up in a nice hotel
>>> close to the location.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Oct 29 11:58:10 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 16:58:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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Rog,
Sorry to hear about the eyes. Do all ex-cameramen suffer the same, most of the sound recordists I know now wear hearing aids! I had two cataract ops done and now have better than 20-20 vision.
>From your and Bernie?s replies, I would say that we all seem to have followed the careers that we were happy in.
I loved my time at TVC, LG, and TVT and the BBC gave me unrivalled training.
But ever since seeing ?South Pacific? in the fleapit cinema in Ryde, I wanted to work in films, and on a musical. I?m delighted that I managed both.
I enjoyed every programme that I worked on at TVC,  and I?ve said before, made some good friends with whom I?m still in touch.

Very best
Pat




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Hi Pat,

Apologies for the delayed reply. My ageing Cameraman's eyesight is now so fuzzy, I'm struggling to see the screen. (Fear not, I have an appointment with a laser tomorrow.)




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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Oct 29 13:30:21 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 18:30:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bus Pass
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Thanks Geoff, my bus pass is OK until Nov. 22, 2022, if I am still 
around! Cheers, Dave. (P.S. 82 on Sunday, doesn't time fly when you are 
having fun?)

On 28/10/2020 21:01, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> It?s worth checking your bus pass too if you have one to avoid the annoyance of having to pay when you come to use it because it?s past it?s ?Use by? date,
> Geoff
>
>> On 28 Oct 2020, at 15:34, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?I have just had a quick panic when I noticed that my drivinglicence expires on Saturday, and I haven't received a renewal application yet! But........... when I went onto their website I found out that it has been extended for 11 months due to the lovely virus! I won't hear a word against it now! Cheers, Dave
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Oct 29 14:10:01 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 19:10:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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Which would have got you punched on the nose by the landlord, and probably arrested too. Don?t objectify women, Pat. Keep those thoughts to yourself.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 Oct 2020, at 16:40, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Second story....
[edit]
In the morning, the landlord?s wife brought us our breakfast in bed! She was togged up in the tightest pair of trousers...
Afterwards, we reckoned that if the other hadn?t been there, one might have jumped on her!

Pat

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Schemes to fob off the crew with lesser arrangements don?t always go to plan.




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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu Oct 29 17:16:12 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 22:16:12 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Americans
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Well said Nick!

Don?t want that misogynistic chat on this forum

 

Dave D

 

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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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Which would have got you punched on the nose by the landlord, and probably arrested too. Don?t objectify women, Pat. Keep those thoughts to yourself. 

Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5





On 29 Oct 2020, at 16:40, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?Second story.... 

[edit]

In the morning, the landlord?s wife brought us our breakfast in bed! She was togged up in the tightest pair of trousers...

Afterwards, we reckoned that if the other hadn?t been there, one might have jumped on her!

 

Pat

 

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Schemes to fob off the crew with lesser arrangements don?t always go to plan.

 

 

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 31 05:07:08 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:07:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Power Cut
Message-ID: <7B980FD4-8FE2-4525-8E08-9A492457FF61@me.com>

We had a power cut in our village this morning.  High winds and overhead cables are not a good combination, but it was only out for half an hour or so.  In the past, if there was a power cut, people would look out of the window to see if others were affected.  These days they use their mobile phones to post on the village Facebook site asking if it's just them.

I was once doing quite a big OB at either a horse trials or golf tournament - I can't remember which, but it was in a huge open grassy area.  There was a large BBC compound with scanners, VT trucks, radio links and all the support vans, with everything powered from a generator.  At lunchtime I and a colleague sat on a grassy bank overlooking the TV compound while we had lunch.  The distinctive song of skylarks was accompanied by the gentle hum of the generator .... until it was no longer accompanying it.  The generator ran down and all became amazingly silent, except for the skylarks.  I turned to my colleague, chuckled and said "Count to five and watch the doors open".

Sure enough, the doors of every truck opened in synchronism as concerned people peered out to establish whether their truck was the only one to lose power.

Alan Taylor

From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 31 05:49:31 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:49:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Power Cut
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I have a little 2 stroke AC generator which will run lighting, if anyone wants it. It has an override switch that needs looking at and is based in Kent or West London. It?s all free folks as Spike used to say.
Albert

> On 31 Oct 2020, at 10:07, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> We had a power cut in our village this morning.  High winds and overhead cables are not a good combination, but it was only out for half an hour or so.  In the past, if there was a power cut, people would look out of the window to see if others were affected.  These days they use their mobile phones to post on the village Facebook site asking if it's just them.
> 
> I was once doing quite a big OB at either a horse trials or golf tournament - I can't remember which, but it was in a huge open grassy area.  There was a large BBC compound with scanners, VT trucks, radio links and all the support vans, with everything powered from a generator.  At lunchtime I and a colleague sat on a grassy bank overlooking the TV compound while we had lunch.  The distinctive song of skylarks was accompanied by the gentle hum of the generator .... until it was no longer accompanying it.  The generator ran down and all became amazingly silent, except for the skylarks.  I turned to my colleague, chuckled and said "Count to five and watch the doors open".
> 
> Sure enough, the doors of every truck opened in synchronism as concerned people peered out to establish whether their truck was the only one to lose power.
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Oct 31 06:06:27 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 11:06:27 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Power Cut
In-Reply-To: <A2A08E04-7117-4520-A093-E3854DCF6ACA@btinternet.com>
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I must not say too much but that takes me back to my OB Comms days when I 
was scheduled at a hilltop midpoint down south.
Contrary to schedules, we on both shifts decided to do a long day instead 
(saves travel and got alternate days off)
Other shift went to France to get cheap wine/ciggies.
Me got phone call at home in middle of night to rush to work as weather had 
cancelled all ferries.
A night or so later all done again and they left generator running all night 
in case delayed again.
Generator ran out of fuel and batteries took over.
They arrived back on site - batteries flat as were generators so it was 
their car batteries and jump leads to save the day
Good job we were all well trained in such things in those days!

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: Albert Barber via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:49 AM
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Power Cut

I have a little 2 stroke AC generator which will run lighting, if anyone 
wants it. It has an override switch that needs looking at and is based in 
Kent or West London. It?s all free folks as Spike used to say.
Albert




From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 31 06:09:54 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 11:09:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Drama Channel.
Message-ID: <58c808c2f2davesound@btinternet.com>

Quite enjoy watching old drama. Beauty of age - you might well not
remember it from first time round.

Now they seem to get the pictures more or less right. At least as regards
levels. But the audio often not. Almost as if they ignored the line up at
the front of the prog. I really don't think anyone made progs with the
average mod as low as some on this. Lifting it to a reasonable level means
grabbing for the remote when the ads etc are on. However...

In the last few days they seem to be using some form of auto gain control.
Meaning if you get a bit with no dialogue or background music for a short
time, the AGC lifts the background sounds to a ridiculous level, which
then crashes back down when anyone speaks, etc. Real amateur time.  And
horrid to listen to.

Have even basic engineering standards gone away for ever now?

-- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 31 06:45:45 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 11:45:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Power Cut
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There was a party conference from Ramsgate or somewhere near there in Kent.  Local accommodation was hard to find and some of the crew decided that staying in Calais was a cheaper and more entertaining prospect, even factoring in the cost of travelling as a foot passenger while of course offering the advantage of being able to bring back cheap wine.  Needless to say, the ferries were cancelled due to stormy weather and a large contingent of the crew were unable to get to work until much later in the day.

Alan Taylor







On 31 Oct 2020, at 31 Oct . 11:06, Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk> wrote:

> I must not say too much but that takes me back to my OB Comms days when I was scheduled at a hilltop midpoint down south.
> Contrary to schedules, we on both shifts decided to do a long day instead (saves travel and got alternate days off)
> Other shift went to France to get cheap wine/ciggies.
> Me got phone call at home in middle of night to rush to work as weather had cancelled all ferries.
> A night or so later all done again and they left generator running all night in case delayed again.
> Generator ran out of fuel and batteries took over.
> They arrived back on site - batteries flat as were generators so it was their car batteries and jump leads to save the day
> Good job we were all well trained in such things in those days!
> 
> Mike
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Albert Barber via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:49 AM
> To: Alan Taylor
> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Power Cut
> 
> I have a little 2 stroke AC generator which will run lighting, if anyone wants it. It has an override switch that needs looking at and is based in Kent or West London. It?s all free folks as Spike used to say.
> Albert
> 
> 



From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Oct 31 07:06:16 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 12:06:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Drama Channel.
In-Reply-To: <58c808c2f2davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <58c808c2f2davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E@me.com>

I don't watch that much TV, but do use catch up services to watch certain shows at more convenient times.  One thing I've noticed for years is that the audio levels are massively different for each service.  iPlayer needs a boost of about ten notches on my system, while 4oD  needs a knocking down two or three notches compared to live television.  ITV Hub varies from show to show.  

For those who think in standardised ISO units, a notch is bigger than a gnats, but obviously a touch less than a smidgen. 

Alan Taylor




On 31 Oct 2020, at 31 Oct . 11:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Quite enjoy watching old drama. Beauty of age - you might well not
> remember it from first time round.
> 
> Now they seem to get the pictures more or less right. At least as regards
> levels. But the audio often not. Almost as if they ignored the line up at
> the front of the prog. I really don't think anyone made progs with the
> average mod as low as some on this. Lifting it to a reasonable level means
> grabbing for the remote when the ads etc are on. However...
> 
> In the last few days they seem to be using some form of auto gain control.
> Meaning if you get a bit with no dialogue or background music for a short
> time, the AGC lifts the background sounds to a ridiculous level, which
> then crashes back down when anyone speaks, etc. Real amateur time.  And
> horrid to listen to.
> 
> Have even basic engineering standards gone away for ever now?
> 
> -- 
>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 31 08:04:56 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 13:04:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Drama Channel.
In-Reply-To: <82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E@me.com>
References: <58c808c2f2davesound@btinternet.com>
	<82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E@me.com>
Message-ID: <58c8134b02davesound@btinternet.com>

I think many of the catch up services use 'normalise' or whatever to set
the levels. This does a scan of the entire thing, and sets peaks to 0dDFS
- some 10dB above normal transmitted peak level. (EBU spec) It would be
trivial with decent software to normalise to -10dBFS peak levels, same as
broadcast. But no one appears to care.  


In article <82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via
Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I don't watch that much TV, but do use catch up services to watch
> certain shows at more convenient times.  One thing I've noticed for
> years is that the audio levels are massively different for each service.
>  iPlayer needs a boost of about ten notches on my system, while 4oD 
> needs a knocking down two or three notches compared to live television. 
> ITV Hub varies from show to show.  

> For those who think in standardised ISO units, a notch is bigger than a
> gnats, but obviously a touch less than a smidgen. 

> Alan Taylor




> On 31 Oct 2020, at 31 Oct . 11:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> > Quite enjoy watching old drama. Beauty of age - you might well not
> > remember it from first time round.
> > 
> > Now they seem to get the pictures more or less right. At least as regards
> > levels. But the audio often not. Almost as if they ignored the line up at
> > the front of the prog. I really don't think anyone made progs with the
> > average mod as low as some on this. Lifting it to a reasonable level means
> > grabbing for the remote when the ads etc are on. However...
> > 
> > In the last few days they seem to be using some form of auto gain control.
> > Meaning if you get a bit with no dialogue or background music for a short
> > time, the AGC lifts the background sounds to a ridiculous level, which
> > then crashes back down when anyone speaks, etc. Real amateur time.  And
> > horrid to listen to.
> > 
> > Have even basic engineering standards gone away for ever now?
> > 
> > -- 
> >   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> > 
> > 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 31 08:10:33 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 13:10:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Power Cut
In-Reply-To: <4A7077C5-978D-45EF-9CBF-52AD1198268F@me.com>
References: <7B980FD4-8FE2-4525-8E08-9A492457FF61@me.com>
	<A2A08E04-7117-4520-A093-E3854DCF6ACA@btinternet.com>
	<AEC29231F41A4544A16F1E9FDF188456@Gigabyte>
	<4A7077C5-978D-45EF-9CBF-52AD1198268F@me.com>
Message-ID: <58c813ce0ddavesound@btinternet.com>

Remember having a short power cut in the early morning. All the walkie
talkie charges did their thing - discharge all the batteries before
charging them. So no walkie talkies for the beginning of the shoot. Same
with the camera batteries - but we were shooting in base so could run off
mains. 


In article <4A7077C5-978D-45EF-9CBF-52AD1198268F at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> There was a party conference from Ramsgate or somewhere near there in
> Kent.  Local accommodation was hard to find and some of the crew decided
> that staying in Calais was a cheaper and more entertaining prospect,
> even factoring in the cost of travelling as a foot passenger while of
> course offering the advantage of being able to bring back cheap wine. 
> Needless to say, the ferries were cancelled due to stormy weather and a
> large contingent of the crew were unable to get to work until much later
> in the day.

> Alan Taylor







> On 31 Oct 2020, at 31 Oct . 11:06, Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk> wrote:

> > I must not say too much but that takes me back to my OB Comms days when I was scheduled at a hilltop midpoint down south.
> > Contrary to schedules, we on both shifts decided to do a long day instead (saves travel and got alternate days off)
> > Other shift went to France to get cheap wine/ciggies.
> > Me got phone call at home in middle of night to rush to work as weather had cancelled all ferries.
> > A night or so later all done again and they left generator running all night in case delayed again.
> > Generator ran out of fuel and batteries took over.
> > They arrived back on site - batteries flat as were generators so it was their car batteries and jump leads to save the day
> > Good job we were all well trained in such things in those days!
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- From: Albert Barber via Tech1
> > Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2020 10:49 AM
> > To: Alan Taylor
> > Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Power Cut
> > 
> > I have a little 2 stroke AC generator which will run lighting, if anyone wants it. It has an override switch that needs looking at and is based in Kent or West London. It?s all free folks as Spike used to say.
> > Albert
> > 
> > 


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Oct 31 08:52:45 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 13:52:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Drama Channel.
In-Reply-To: <58c8134b02davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <58c808c2f2davesound@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <5f9d6c2d.1c69fb81.56c87.aea4@mx.google.com>

Wonder if you have a ?smart? TV, Alan.
My Samsung has a sound setting, that?s described as ?Auto Volume?
which appears to pull up the level when there is nothing much there.
I noticed it mostly on ?Judge John Deed? run on Drama.
Switching that off, seemed to cure the effect.
But I do agree ? what happened to the burst of tone at the start of programmes?
Was all our training a waste of time?
Pat

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To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 31 09:46:06 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 14:46:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Drama Channel.
In-Reply-To: <58c8134b02davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <58c808c2f2davesound@btinternet.com>
	<82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E@me.com>,
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Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863D782F7D68B5C6A063149A7120@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I too, despair at the apparent randomless of audio levels between broadcast radio & TV programmes, programme junctions in particular. And not just junctions, but often absurd music and FX levels versus dialogue in cinematically dubbed TV drama. The problem has in my view become ridiculously complex, and the first thing you need to do is forget all you knew and liked about analogue PPM?s, or worse, average-reading waggly VU meters. 
The following link is to ?The Audio Producer?s Guide to Loudness?. As the article illustrates, Loudness is not directly related to whether the programmes is up to 0dBfs or not (and notice I didn?t say ?peaks to 0dBfs?) because digital audio programne can contain transient sample-length peaks many dB?s above the perceived peak level that we used to call PPM6. Loudness metering sets out to address that, and is becoming the norm. See: https://tinyurl.com/yyuzxalo .
And now, to further confuse, we have ?look-ahead? digital limiters that see short transients a millisecond or so ahead and deal with them accordingly, which lulls you into thinking you can crank the overall level up a bit more.
As I say, a complex subject and a complex problem when comparing new progs with old analogue productions.

And then again, just to add still more problems, any drama production that was dubbed in 5.1 surround has to be ?folded down? to stereo, or even mono, and how the centre (dialogue) channel is mixed with the front left and right (music and fx) is another can of worms!

Have a look at the article (there are others), and if you want to know more, join the IPS where these things are studied at length!
But luckily, we have Chris Woolf among us, who hopefully might explain it all a lot better than I can!!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 31 Oct 2020, at 13:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I think many of the catch up services use 'normalise' or whatever to set
> the levels. This does a scan of the entire thing, and sets peaks to 0dDFS
> - some 10dB above normal transmitted peak level. (EBU spec) It would be
> trivial with decent software to normalise to -10dBFS peak levels, same as
> broadcast. But no one appears to care.  
> 
> 
> In article <82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via
> Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I don't watch that much TV, but do use catch up services to watch
>> certain shows at more convenient times.  One thing I've noticed for
>> years is that the audio levels are massively different for each service.
>> iPlayer needs a boost of about ten notches on my system, while 4oD 
>> needs a knocking down two or three notches compared to live television. 
>> ITV Hub varies from show to show.  
> 
>> For those who think in standardised ISO units, a notch is bigger than a
>> gnats, but obviously a touch less than a smidgen. 
> 
>> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 Oct 2020, at 31 Oct . 11:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>>> Quite enjoy watching old drama. Beauty of age - you might well not
>>> remember it from first time round.
>>> 
>>> Now they seem to get the pictures more or less right. At least as regards
>>> levels. But the audio often not. Almost as if they ignored the line up at
>>> the front of the prog. I really don't think anyone made progs with the
>>> average mod as low as some on this. Lifting it to a reasonable level means
>>> grabbing for the remote when the ads etc are on. However...
>>> 
>>> In the last few days they seem to be using some form of auto gain control.
>>> Meaning if you get a bit with no dialogue or background music for a short
>>> time, the AGC lifts the background sounds to a ridiculous level, which
>>> then crashes back down when anyone speaks, etc. Real amateur time.  And
>>> horrid to listen to.
>>> 
>>> Have even basic engineering standards gone away for ever now?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>>  Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Oct 31 10:28:06 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 15:28:06 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Drama Channel.
In-Reply-To: <5f9d6c2d.1c69fb81.56c87.aea4@mx.google.com>
References: <58c808c2f2davesound@btinternet.com>
	<82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E@me.com>
	<58c8134b02davesound@btinternet.com>,
	<5f9d6c2d.1c69fb81.56c87.aea4@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863EE6D7DD0420BF03A9D83A7120@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

A burst of tone at the start of programnes would only be of any use if all programmes were dubbed in the same way, and using the same metering and compression/limit characteristics. That part of your training and mine is rather obsolute now, but thanks to IPS membership and a general interest in the subject, learning is a continuous process. I assume AMPS does something similar?
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 31 Oct 2020, at 13:53, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Wonder if you have a ?smart? TV, Alan.
My Samsung has a sound setting, that?s described as ?Auto Volume?
which appears to pull up the level when there is nothing much there.
I noticed it mostly on ?Judge John Deed? run on Drama.
Switching that off, seemed to cure the effect.
But I do agree ? what happened to the burst of tone at the start of programmes?
Was all our training a waste of time?
Pat

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 31 13:18:36 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 18:18:36 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [Tech1] Drama Channel.
In-Reply-To: <VE1P189MB0863D782F7D68B5C6A063149A7120@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<58c8134b02davesound@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <58c83001fedavesound@btinternet.com>

Bit of a flaw there Nick. These 'loudness' meters have been around for a
long time now - and things haven't improved. I'd assume all broadcasters
have access to them. Problem with any metering is it needs experience to
interpret what it's telling you.

The error in channels like the Drama channel isn't a shade of grey. It is
massive, and can be clearly seen on an old fashioned PPM. With average mod
on the progs I'm complaining about being so much lower than normal for a
basis 'cops and robbers' type prog. We're not talking about some arty
"Play for Today". ;-) 

My guess is the digitizing is done without any line up checks at all. And
by the sound of some of it likely from an archive Beta copy, and possibly
using machines past their best, or simply out of alignment.  

However, none of that addresses just why they've decided to make things
even worse by using some cheap and nasty AGC system.   


In article
<VE1P189MB0863D782F7D68B5C6A063149A7120 at VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I too, despair at the apparent randomless of audio levels between
> broadcast radio & TV programmes, programme junctions in particular. And
> not just junctions, but often absurd music and FX levels versus dialogue
> in cinematically dubbed TV drama. The problem has in my view become
> ridiculously complex, and the first thing you need to do is forget all
> you knew and liked about analogue PPM?s, or worse, average-reading
> waggly VU meters. The following link is to ?The Audio Producer?s Guide
> to Loudness?. As the article illustrates, Loudness is not directly
> related to whether the programmes is up to 0dBfs or not (and notice I
> didn?t say ?peaks to 0dBfs?) because digital audio programne can contain
> transient sample-length peaks many dB?s above the perceived peak level
> that we used to call PPM6. Loudness metering sets out to address that,
> and is becoming the norm. See: https://tinyurl.com/yyuzxalo . And now,
> to further confuse, we have ?look-ahead? digital limiters that see short
> transients a millisecond or so ahead and deal with them accordingly,
> which lulls you into thinking you can crank the overall level up a bit
> more. As I say, a complex subject and a complex problem when comparing
> new progs with old analogue productions.

> And then again, just to add still more problems, any drama production
> that was dubbed in 5.1 surround has to be ?folded down? to stereo, or
> even mono, and how the centre (dialogue) channel is mixed with the front
> left and right (music and fx) is another can of worms!

> Have a look at the article (there are others), and if you want to know
> more, join the IPS where these things are studied at length! But
> luckily, we have Chris Woolf among us, who hopefully might explain it
> all a lot better than I can!! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my
> iPad mini 5

> > On 31 Oct 2020, at 13:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1
> > <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > #I think many of the catch up services use 'normalise' or whatever to
> > set the levels. This does a scan of the entire thing, and sets peaks
> > to 0dDFS - some 10dB above normal transmitted peak level. (EBU spec)
> > It would be trivial with decent software to normalise to -10dBFS peak
> > levels, same as broadcast. But no one appears to care.  
> > 
> > 
> > In article <82B1AA85-212E-460D-A391-810332CE9A5E at me.com>, Alan Taylor via
> > Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> I don't watch that much TV, but do use catch up services to watch
> >> certain shows at more convenient times.  One thing I've noticed for
> >> years is that the audio levels are massively different for each service.
> >> iPlayer needs a boost of about ten notches on my system, while 4oD 
> >> needs a knocking down two or three notches compared to live television. 
> >> ITV Hub varies from show to show.  
> > 
> >> For those who think in standardised ISO units, a notch is bigger than a
> >> gnats, but obviously a touch less than a smidgen. 
> > 
> >> Alan Taylor
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >> On 31 Oct 2020, at 31 Oct . 11:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> >>> Quite enjoy watching old drama. Beauty of age - you might well not
> >>> remember it from first time round.
> >>> 
> >>> Now they seem to get the pictures more or less right. At least as regards
> >>> levels. But the audio often not. Almost as if they ignored the line up at
> >>> the front of the prog. I really don't think anyone made progs with the
> >>> average mod as low as some on this. Lifting it to a reasonable level means
> >>> grabbing for the remote when the ads etc are on. However...
> >>> 
> >>> In the last few days they seem to be using some form of auto gain control.
> >>> Meaning if you get a bit with no dialogue or background music for a short
> >>> time, the AGC lifts the background sounds to a ridiculous level, which
> >>> then crashes back down when anyone speaks, etc. Real amateur time.  And
> >>> horrid to listen to.
> >>> 
> >>> Have even basic engineering standards gone away for ever now?
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>>  Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> Tech1 mailing list
> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> > 
> > -- 
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> > 
> > 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Oct 31 17:35:26 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 22:35:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Irony
Message-ID: <6B83EF2E-8F8F-44B3-BF55-8A5409B7203F@mac.com>

I am amazed at the wording of the current Vauxhall advert offering 48 hours test drive of an all electric car, free of charge - not much chance of pinching the car then!

Mike G

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Oct 31 18:08:18 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 23:08:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Irony
In-Reply-To: <6B83EF2E-8F8F-44B3-BF55-8A5409B7203F@mac.com>
References: <6B83EF2E-8F8F-44B3-BF55-8A5409B7203F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <29eee658-7798-e4a3-db5c-e3f8d7d87734@btinternet.com>

Indeed, how will it work with no charge! Well spotted, Mike. Cheers, Dave

On 31/10/2020 22:35, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> I am amazed at the wording of the current Vauxhall advert offering 48 hours test drive of an all electric car, free of charge - not much chance of pinching the car then!
>
> Mike G