From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri May  1 03:39:51 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 09:39:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.

Dave Newbitt.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri May  1 03:56:11 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 09:56:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Ah, sweet. The dogs look good too.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 May 2020, at 09:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.
>  
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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Fri May  1 04:01:11 2020
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 10:01:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Talking of Man's best friend, dogs and wives reminded me of some lines 
from a Pantomime I was involved with earlier this year.

FRITZ
Sorry, I don?t have opinions ? I?ve got a wife instead!

PEGGY
Oh, yes, of course! The one that?s so rude to us, you mean?

FRITZ
I wish I could agree ? but a man?s wife is supposed to be his best friend.

PEGGY
Nonsense! A dog is man?s best friend!

FRITZ
What? More so than your wife?

PEGGY
I?ll tell you how to find out. Put your wife and your dog in the boot of 
your car, go to the pub for an hour and when you come back, tell me 
which one is pleased to see you!

FRITZ
Point taken!


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 01/05/2020 09:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no 
> pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I 
> scratched around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this 
> one. In May 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow 
> little streets of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a 
> photograph. You can see from the smile on her face that she was more 
> than happy to oblige.
> Dave Newbitt.
> 


From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri May  1 04:23:03 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 10:23:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Lovely story Ian - with little gems like that, Panto should survive a year 
or two yet!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: ian.norman--- via Tech1
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 10:01 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Man's best friend

Talking of Man's best friend, dogs and wives reminded me of some lines
from a Pantomime I was involved with earlier this year.

FRITZ
Sorry, I don?t have opinions ? I?ve got a wife instead!

PEGGY
Oh, yes, of course! The one that?s so rude to us, you mean?

FRITZ
I wish I could agree ? but a man?s wife is supposed to be his best friend.

PEGGY
Nonsense! A dog is man?s best friend!

FRITZ
What? More so than your wife?

PEGGY
I?ll tell you how to find out. Put your wife and your dog in the boot of
your car, go to the pub for an hour and when you come back, tell me
which one is pleased to see you!

FRITZ
Point taken!


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 01/05/2020 09:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no 
> pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched 
> around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 
> 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets 
> of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You 
> can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.
> Dave Newbitt.
>

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May  1 04:51:45 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 10:51:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Are you sure, Dave, that she hadn?t been at the fudge!!
 Admiring a cute doggie is a good way of striking up a conversation, but I was intrigued to learn the difference between various assistance dogs.
Guide Dogs for the Blind do not want an approach to a working dog, as it can distract them from their main purpose, whereas a charity that my Guild was involved with ? Hearing Dogs for Deaf People ? positively encourage a moment of kind attention as it helps the deaf person to socialise a bit and not feel excluded from people.
I first happened across HDDP when filming at Cruft?s one year, the Hearing Dogs stand had a cute Finnish Spitz, like a corgi with long legs. It had a collecting box on his back, and one is no longer allowed to shake your tin at passers by ? nobody told the dog, as each time he shook himself the box rattled beautifully!
Best
Pat



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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 01 May 2020 09:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend

Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri May  1 05:34:29 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 11:34:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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That?s a really handsome beastie there Pat.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham 
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 10:51 AM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Man's best friend

Are you sure, Dave, that she hadn?t been at the fudge!!

Admiring a cute doggie is a good way of striking up a conversation, but I was intrigued to learn the difference between various assistance dogs.

Guide Dogs for the Blind do not want an approach to a working dog, as it can distract them from their main purpose, whereas a charity that my Guild was involved with ? Hearing Dogs for Deaf People ? positively encourage a moment of kind attention as it helps the deaf person to socialise a bit and not feel excluded from people.

I first happened across HDDP when filming at Cruft?s one year, the Hearing Dogs stand had a cute Finnish Spitz, like a corgi with long legs. It had a collecting box on his back, and one is no longer allowed to shake your tin at passers by ? nobody told the dog, as each time he shook himself the box rattled beautifully!

Best

Pat

 



 

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Sent: 01 May 2020 09:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend

 

Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May  1 05:46:36 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 11:46:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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About twenty years ago there used to be a lovely woman who worked at TVC on the Ceefax service who relied a hearing dog.  The dog made it possible for her to work effectively despite being very deaf. 

Alan Taylor



On 1 May 2020, at 1 May . 11:34, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> That?s a really handsome beastie there Pat.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: patheigham
> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 10:51 AM
> To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: RE: [Tech1] Man's best friend
>  
> Are you sure, Dave, that she hadn?t been at the fudge!!
> Admiring a cute doggie is a good way of striking up a conversation, but I was intrigued to learn the difference between various assistance dogs.
> Guide Dogs for the Blind do not want an approach to a working dog, as it can distract them from their main purpose, whereas a charity that my Guild was involved with ? Hearing Dogs for Deaf People ? positively encourage a moment of kind attention as it helps the deaf person to socialise a bit and not feel excluded from people.
> I first happened across HDDP when filming at Cruft?s one year, the Hearing Dogs stand had a cute Finnish Spitz, like a corgi with long legs. It had a collecting box on his back, and one is no longer allowed to shake your tin at passers by ? nobody told the dog, as each time he shook himself the box rattled beautifully!
> Best
> Pat
>  
> <282D7D0C9D7C4E23823606AE1AD62F38.jpg>
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: 01 May 2020 09:40
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
>  
> Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.
>  
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri May  1 06:44:05 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (David Buckley)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 11:44:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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As Pat says, you don't approach a guide dog. When I was heavily involved with Talking Newspaper, I knew a lot of visially impared people with guide dogs, and the stories I heard about them - like snatching a french bread stick from a bakery and running off with it down the road, or collecting sandwiches from a low table when at a function!

But the best story I heard goes like this - 

A guide dog owner was waiting at a bus stop, with his dog in 'standby mode' that is lying on the ground looking as though he's asleep, when an American voice said - 'Gee, is that a seeing eye dog?''Yes,' said the blind man, 'but in this country we call them Guide Dogs'. A general discussion about guide dags ensued, then the American asked 'Is it true that guide dogs can read?''Oh, yes' replied the blind man. 'Watch, I'm waiting for a number seven bus.'Well, buses came and went, but the guide dog didn't move, until a number seven came round the corner. The dog stood up and got ready to work.'Gee, that's amazing', said the American. The dog's owner didn't have the guts to point out that his bus was the only double decker service along the road, all the others were single deck!
As for Hearing dogs, TV Training had a PA on a course with such a dog (which didn't seem to like me). His owner went on to work for Religious Broadcasts if I remember correctly and Arial ran a story about her. Has any member any further memories of this PA?
Dave Buckley
    On Friday, 1 May 2020, 11:41:57 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Lovely story Ian - with little gems like that, Panto should survive a year 
or two yet!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: ian.norman--- via Tech1
Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 10:01 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Man's best friend

Talking of Man's best friend, dogs and wives reminded me of some lines
from a Pantomime I was involved with earlier this year.

FRITZ
Sorry, I don?t have opinions ? I?ve got a wife instead!

PEGGY
Oh, yes, of course! The one that?s so rude to us, you mean?

FRITZ
I wish I could agree ? but a man?s wife is supposed to be his best friend.

PEGGY
Nonsense! A dog is man?s best friend!

FRITZ
What? More so than your wife?

PEGGY
I?ll tell you how to find out. Put your wife and your dog in the boot of
your car, go to the pub for an hour and when you come back, tell me
which one is pleased to see you!

FRITZ
Point taken!


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 01/05/2020 09:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no 
> pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched 
> around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 
> 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets 
> of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You 
> can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.
> Dave Newbitt.
>

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May  1 07:13:43 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 13:13:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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I used to do a lot of single camera shoots for the BBC Disability Programme Unit.  One time we interviewed a blind man who told us a tale about when he was in a strange town with his guide dog and needed directions for finding a particular shop.  The guy he asked bent down and explained the directions to the guide dog.

Dogs trained for TV shows are also well trained.  The reward for doing whatever was required on shot tends to be a little treat, so it is important to make sure that actors and crew didn't give the dog little treats at other times.  One trainer had her dogs trained in such a way that if anybody offered them food, it clasped it's mouth tightly shut and shook it's head from side to side.

Alan Taylor




On 1 May 2020, at 1 May . 12:44, David Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> 
> As Pat says, you don't approach a guide dog. When I was heavily involved with Talking Newspaper, I knew a lot of visially impared people with guide dogs, and the stories I heard about them - like snatching a french bread stick from a bakery and running off with it down the road, or collecting sandwiches from a low table when at a function!
> 
> But the best story I heard goes like this - 
> 
> A guide dog owner was waiting at a bus stop, with his dog in 'standby mode' that is lying on the ground looking as though he's asleep, when an American voice said - 'Gee, is that a seeing eye dog?'
> 'Yes,' said the blind man, 'but in this country we call them Guide Dogs'. A general discussion about guide dags ensued, then the American asked 'Is it true that guide dogs can read?'
> 'Oh, yes' replied the blind man. 'Watch, I'm waiting for a number seven bus.'
> Well, buses came and went, but the guide dog didn't move, until a number seven came round the corner. The dog stood up and got ready to work.
> 'Gee, that's amazing', said the American. The dog's owner didn't have the guts to point out that his bus was the only double decker service along the road, all the others were single deck!
> 
> As for Hearing dogs, TV Training had a PA on a course with such a dog (which didn't seem to like me). His owner went on to work for Religious Broadcasts if I remember correctly and Arial ran a story about her. Has any member any further memories of this PA?
> 
> Dave Buckley
> On Friday, 1 May 2020, 11:41:57 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Lovely story Ian - with little gems like that, Panto should survive a year 
> or two yet!
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: ian.norman--- via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, May 1, 2020 10:01 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Man's best friend
> 
> Talking of Man's best friend, dogs and wives reminded me of some lines
> from a Pantomime I was involved with earlier this year.
> 
> FRITZ
> Sorry, I don?t have opinions ? I?ve got a wife instead!
> 
> PEGGY
> Oh, yes, of course! The one that?s so rude to us, you mean?
> 
> FRITZ
> I wish I could agree ? but a man?s wife is supposed to be his best friend.
> 
> PEGGY
> Nonsense! A dog is man?s best friend!
> 
> FRITZ
> What? More so than your wife?
> 
> PEGGY
> I?ll tell you how to find out. Put your wife and your dog in the boot of
> your car, go to the pub for an hour and when you come back, tell me
> which one is pleased to see you!
> 
> FRITZ
> Point taken!
> 
> 
> Stay safe
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> 
> On 01/05/2020 09:39, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> > Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no 
> > pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched 
> > around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 
> > 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets 
> > of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You 
> > can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.
> > Dave Newbitt.
> >
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May  1 07:14:09 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 13:14:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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For those who might not be aware of Hearing Dogs, a bit of background.
My Guild (Association of Motion Picture Sound ? AMPS) thought it would be good to support a charity ? but it would have to have a connection with Sound. We happened across Hearing Dogs for Deaf People, and a number of us went to their training school to investigate.
In the main the poochies are small mongrels and really intelligent ? they are trained to react to sounds of doorbells, alarm clocks, telephone, oven timers , and most importantly, smoke alarms. They alert their deaf person by going to them and signalling by putting a paw on them, then leading to the source of the sound. For the wake-up alarms, little dogs jump on the bed, but sometimes, if it?s a lab, then they just put a paw up to the person! Each dog is trained to an ?owner?s? particular house noises. AMPS raised ?3000 for the building of a training kennel and run,
mostly through raffles held at meetings and film shows.
Subsequent charities to support were for a text display system for the auditorium in a school for profoundly deaf children, and two music therapy systems for Shooting Star Chase for life-limited youngsters,
Also an induction loop system for the TV/Cinema room for Glebelands, the retirement home for ex-film and TV practitioners. In every case, apart from the dog kennels, AMPS members bought and installed the kit, giving freely of their time.
Pat

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As Pat says, you don't approach a guide dog. 

As for Hearing dogs, TV Training had a PA on a course with such a dog (which didn't seem to like me). His owner went on to work for Religious Broadcasts if I remember correctly and Arial ran a story about her. Has any member any further memories of this PA?

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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri May  1 07:33:58 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2020 13:33:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Was she the one who went walking on her own through somewhere like Afghanistan? She was also a vegetarian I believe.?JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 01/05/2020  11:46  (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Man's best friend About twenty years ago there used to be a lovely woman who worked at TVC on the Ceefax service who relied a hearing dog. ?The dog made it possible for her to work effectively despite being very deaf.?Alan TaylorOn 1 May 2020, at 1 May . 11:34, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:That?s a really handsome beastie there Pat.?Dave Newbitt.?From:?patheighamSent:?Friday, May 1, 2020 10:51 AMTo:?David Newbitt?;?tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject:?RE: [Tech1] Man's best friend?Are you sure, Dave, that she hadn?t been at the fudge!!Admiring a cute doggie is a good way of striking up a conversation, but I was intrigued to learn the difference between various assistance dogs.Guide Dogs for the Blind do not want an approach to a working dog, as it can distract them from their main purpose, whereas a charity that my Guild was involved with ? Hearing Dogs for Deaf People ? positively encourage a moment of kind attention as it helps the deaf person to socialise a bit and not feel excluded from people.I first happened across HDDP when filming at Cruft?s one year, the Hearing Dogs stand had a cute Finnish Spitz, like a corgi with long legs. It had a collecting box on his back, and one is no longer allowed to shake your tin at passers by ? nobody told the dog, as each time he shook himself the box rattled beautifully!BestPat?<282D7D0C9D7C4E23823606AE1AD62F38.jpg>?Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10?From:?David Newbitt via Tech1Sent:?01 May 2020 09:40To:?tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject:?[Tech1] Man's best friend?Dogs on their lockdown walks seem to get a regular mention but few/no pics. As the little mutts have such capacity to cheer folk up I scratched around my disorganised photo storage system and picked on this one. In May 2017 I saw this trio of spaniels being walked in the narrow little streets of Mevagissey and asked the lady owner if I could take a photograph. You can see from the smile on her face that she was more than happy to oblige.?Dave Newbitt.?This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.?www.avast.com--?Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May  1 07:35:33 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 13:35:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Speaking of little treats,
Crew 3 used to work pretty well full time in TVT, during the sixties, B & W?s one weekend, Billy Cotton the next.
There was a bag of sweets kept under the head of Eddie Stuart?s camera 1 on the Mole, and the boys and girls came up during rehearsal and helped themselves when within reach! i.e. craned down.
Bill senior noticed this one day and inquired who paid for them. Eddie told him it was the crew. I happened to be standing near. Bill beckoned me over and said to go and get some more, giving me two half-crowns (5/-) I didn?t like to tell him that it cost the crew nearer Five Pounds!

Pat


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The reward for doing whatever was required on shot tends to be a little treat, 



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May  1 07:59:10 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 13:59:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best freind
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Got this from LW Theatres ? Samantha Barks.
Well, best not tread on her tail then!
Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May  1 08:48:22 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 14:48:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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There is a school for profoundly deaf children near where I used to live at Newbury. 

One day they had a Royal visit with both the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh visiting. 

The whole school assembled in the hall and the Royals walked in and took their seats on the stage. 

After a few moments, Prince Phillip leaned Over to The Queen  and quietly said ?Don?t sit there looking like a miserable cabbage? ... much to the amusement of the entire school who were all very accomplished lip readers. 

Alan Taylor

> On 1 May 2020, at 13:14, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> For those who might not be aware of Hearing Dogs, a bit of background.
> My Guild (Association of Motion Picture Sound ? AMPS) thought it would be good to support a charity ? but it would have to have a connection with Sound. We happened across Hearing Dogs for Deaf People, and a number of us went to their training school to investigate.
> In the main the poochies are small mongrels and really intelligent ? they are trained to react to sounds of doorbells, alarm clocks, telephone, oven timers , and most importantly, smoke alarms. They alert their deaf person by going to them and signalling by putting a paw on them, then leading to the source of the sound. For the wake-up alarms, little dogs jump on the bed, but sometimes, if it?s a lab, then they just put a paw up to the person! Each dog is trained to an ?owner?s? particular house noises. AMPS raised ?3000 for the building of a training kennel and run,
> mostly through raffles held at meetings and film shows.
> Subsequent charities to support were for a text display system for the auditorium in a school for profoundly deaf children, and two music therapy systems for Shooting Star Chase for life-limited youngsters,
> Also an induction loop system for the TV/Cinema room for Glebelands, the retirement home for ex-film and TV practitioners. In every case, apart from the dog kennels, AMPS members bought and installed the kit, giving freely of their time.
> Pat
>  
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> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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>  
> As Pat says, you don't approach a guide dog.
>  
> As for Hearing dogs, TV Training had a PA on a course with such a dog (which didn't seem to like me). His owner went on to work for Religious Broadcasts if I remember correctly and Arial ran a story about her. Has any member any further memories of this PA?
>  
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri May  1 09:02:38 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 15:02:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Man's best friend
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Did some filming there with Evelyn Glennie. She was giving a performance of various percussion instruments. Once we finished filming, she then gave an impromptu master class, getting the students to try the instruments for themselves which they thoroughly enjoyed.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 May 2020, at 14:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There is a school for profoundly deaf children near where I used to live at Newbury. 
> 
> One day they had a Royal visit with both the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh visiting. 
> 
> The whole school assembled in the hall and the Royals walked in and took their seats on the stage. 
> 
> After a few moments, Prince Phillip leaned Over to The Queen  and quietly said ?Don?t sit there looking like a miserable cabbage? ... much to the amusement of the entire school who were all very accomplished lip readers. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 1 May 2020, at 13:14, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> For those who might not be aware of Hearing Dogs, a bit of background.
>> My Guild (Association of Motion Picture Sound ? AMPS) thought it would be good to support a charity ? but it would have to have a connection with Sound. We happened across Hearing Dogs for Deaf People, and a number of us went to their training school to investigate.
>> In the main the poochies are small mongrels and really intelligent ? they are trained to react to sounds of doorbells, alarm clocks, telephone, oven timers , and most importantly, smoke alarms. They alert their deaf person by going to them and signalling by putting a paw on them, then leading to the source of the sound. For the wake-up alarms, little dogs jump on the bed, but sometimes, if it?s a lab, then they just put a paw up to the person! Each dog is trained to an ?owner?s? particular house noises. AMPS raised ?3000 for the building of a training kennel and run,
>> mostly through raffles held at meetings and film shows.
>> Subsequent charities to support were for a text display system for the auditorium in a school for profoundly deaf children, and two music therapy systems for Shooting Star Chase for life-limited youngsters,
>> Also an induction loop system for the TV/Cinema room for Glebelands, the retirement home for ex-film and TV practitioners. In every case, apart from the dog kennels, AMPS members bought and installed the kit, giving freely of their time.
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>> Sent: 01 May 2020 12:44
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Man's best friend
>>  
>>  
>> As Pat says, you don't approach a guide dog. 
>>  
>> As for Hearing dogs, TV Training had a PA on a course with such a dog (which didn't seem to like me). His owner went on to work for Religious Broadcasts if I remember correctly and Arial ran a story about her. Has any member any further memories of this PA?
>>  
>> Dave Buckley
>>  
>> 
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May  1 09:12:54 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 15:12:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW:  Man's best friend
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Originally sent to Alan, only, but reprinted in the light of Graeme?s posting. On my shoot with her, we had finished a sequence in her office, and on de-rigging the R/M tram mic, the croc clip fell somewhere and disappeared. ?Never mind ? easily replaced?
The following week, we covered a concert at the Albert Hall, and she sought me out and gave me back the clip, which she had found in the file drawer of her desk. Not many people would have bothered with that and I adore her to this day!
Pat

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From: patheigham
Sent: 01 May 2020 14:59
To: Alan Taylor
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Man's best friend

I spent a couple of days interviewing Evelyn Glennie.
She went deaf at age 7, but had picked up enough of the speech phrasing that you would not know. If she could see your face, a perfectly normal conversation could take place.
(I had heard the ?cabbage story?!)
Very sadly, the school we supported had to close, as the Local Education Authorities withdrew the funding to send the weekly boarders there.
Absolute tragedy, as they were getting (sometimes) one-to-one tuition, and they were the greatest bunch of cheerful youngsters that you could imagine.
Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May  1 10:37:49 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:37:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amusement at this time
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A friend of mine came in with these ? should he have bothered?

The Grim Reaper came for me last night, and I beat him off with a vacuum cleaner.
Talk about Dyson with death.

I went to the cemetery yesterday to lay some flowers on a grave. As I was standing there I noticed 4 grave diggers walking about with a coffin.
3 hours later and they're still walking about with it.
I thought to myself, they've lost the plot!!

My daughter asked me for a pet spider for her birthday,
so I went to our local pet shop and they were ?40!!!
Blow this, I thought, I can get one cheaper off the web.

I was at an ATM yesterday when a little old lady asked if I could check her balance, so I pushed her over.

I start a new job in Seoul next week. I thought it was a good Korea move.?
??
I was driving this morning when I saw a parked RAC van.? The driver was sobbing?uncontrollably?and looked very miserable.
I thought to myself, that guy's heading for a breakdown.

Statistically, 6 out of 7 dwarfs are not Happy.

My neighbour knocked on my door at 2:30 am this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 am?!? Luckily for him I was still up playing my Bagpipes.

Paddy says "Mick, I'm thinking of buying a Labrador."
"Blow that" says Mick "have you seen how many?of their owners go blind?"

My girlfriend thinks that I'm a stalker.?Well, she's not exactly my girlfriend yet.

I was explaining to my wife last night that when you die you get reincarnated but must come back as a different creature.
She said she would like to come back as a cow.
I said "You're obviously not listening."

The wife has been missing a week now.? 
Police said to prepare for the worst.
So I have been to the charity shop to get all
her clothes back.

Two Muslims have crashed a speedboat into the Thames barrier in London. 
Police think it might be the start of Ram-a-dam.

Sat opposite an Indian lady on the train today, she shut her eyes and stopped breathing. I thought she was dead, until I saw the red spot on her forehead and 
realized?she was just on standby.??

The wife was counting all the 5 and 10 pence coins out on the kitchen table when she suddenly got very angry and started shouting and crying for no reason.?
I thought to myself,?"She's going through the change."

When I was in the pub I heard a couple of plonkers 
saying that they wouldn't feel safe on an aircraft 
if they knew the pilot was a woman.
What a pair of sexists. I mean, it's not as if she'd have to reverse the bloody thing!

Local Police hunting the 'knitting needle nutter', who has stabbed six people in their back in the last 48 hours,?believe the attacker could be following?some kind of pattern.

Bought some 'rocket salad' yesterday?but it went off before I could eat it!

A teddy bear is working on a building site.?He goes for a tea break and when he returns?he notices his pick has been stolen.
The bear is angry and reports the theft to the foreman.
The foreman grins at the bear and says,?"Oh, I forgot to tell you, today's the day the teddy?bears have their pick nicked."

Murphy says to Paddy, "What ya talkin into an?envelope for?"??
"I'm sending a voicemail ya thick sod!"

Just got back from my mate's funeral.
He died after being hit on the head with a tennis ball.
It was a lovely service.

19 paddies go to the cinema, the ticket lady asks "Why so many of you?"??
Mick replies, "The film said 18 or over."

An Asian fellow has moved in next door.
He has traveled?the world; swum with sharks, 
wrestled bears and climbed the highest mountain.
It came as no surprise to learn his name?was Bindair Dundat.


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May  1 11:00:54 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 17:00:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Metro bridge in Japan
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For all you railway enthusiasts! Cheers, Dave

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 11:06:02 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 17:06:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Abba-like
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Caroline O'Neill shared this. I think you should all work on some tech1 
production of so,ething.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 11:21:22 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 17:21:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Metro bridge in Japan
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I always wondered how they changed the points on a monorail, then I rode 
on that one

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May  1 12:31:52 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 18:31:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The World's Greatest President (he says)
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This is fair comment, not political! Cheers, Dave

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May  1 14:40:25 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 19:40:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Part Twelve
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Here is the next episode of 'Gothic by Gaslight' - chapter 12 of 24 - the half-way mark (-ish). I trust you're all keeping up. Has anyone worked out what the resolution is going to be, yet?
luv, Rog.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May  1 14:51:07 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 20:51:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Part Twelve
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I would guess that the resolution is going to be 1920 x 1080p

Alan Taylor

> Has anyone worked out what the resolution is going to be, yet?
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri May  1 15:08:31 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:08:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Part Twelve
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405 lines surely.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 1 May 2020, at 20:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I would guess that the resolution is going to be 1920 x 1080p
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> Has anyone worked out what the resolution is going to be, yet?
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May  1 15:41:42 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:41:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Remote inserts to news etc
Message-ID: <B4264CC4FCE944EE9FFF9E132486192A@Gigabyte>

Not sure if this is the right place to post this but I am amazed how the downtheline interviews and inserts for news and current affairs work at the moment.
Even from those in peoples homes (i.e. without the special kit installed in newsreaders etc homes) done on skype, the full screen video is remarkably good ? but that is what arrives at BBC HQ presumably ? but is intercut with cutaways from the interviewers perspective ? either with an inserted question (recorded later?) or an over the shoulder shot with the happening interview on the small screen in front of them. This often sees to be live done.
Also ? presumably due to even ordinary internet having a much lower delay than in the old days when often clean feed was by phone to save reverse satellite audio delay.
The things like Ch4 or ITV news presented from the presenters home work amazingly well. Better than what has worked up to now when the shot on the large ?invision? studio screen is always cut to the live feed when the remote is talking so is in lip sync
Ideas?

On the other hand it is interesting to watch Gardner's World where Mr Don is shooting stuff of himself by himself and sorting out cutaways to be inserted after in the main edit.

All this cleverness may well have a profound effect on future shooting of shows eh?

Mike
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May  1 16:19:20 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 21:19:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Part Twelve
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The prize for guessing right should be 4K at least, maybe 8k.
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 1 May 2020, at 20:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I would guess that the resolution is going to be 1920 x 1080p

Alan Taylor

Has anyone worked out what the resolution is going to be, yet?
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri May  1 16:35:39 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 22:35:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Amusement at this time
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Well, I smiled!

Mike G

> On 1 May 2020, at 16:37, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A friend of mine came in with these ? should he have bothered?
>  
> The Grim Reaper came for me last night, and I beat him off with a vacuum cleaner.
> Talk about Dyson with death.
> 
> I went to the cemetery yesterday to lay some flowers on a grave. As I was standing there I noticed 4 grave diggers walking about with a coffin.
> 3 hours later and they're still walking about with it.
> I thought to myself, they've lost the plot!!
> 
> My daughter asked me for a pet spider for her birthday,
> so I went to our local pet shop and they were ?40!!!
> Blow this, I thought, I can get one cheaper off the web.
> 
> I was at an ATM yesterday when a little old lady asked if I could check her balance, so I pushed her over.
> 
> I start a new job in Seoul next week. I thought it was a good Korea move. 
>   
> I was driving this morning when I saw a parked RAC van.  The driver was sobbing uncontrollably and looked very miserable.
> I thought to myself, that guy's heading for a breakdown.
> 
> Statistically, 6 out of 7 dwarfs are not Happy.
> 
> My neighbour knocked on my door at 2:30 am this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 am?!  Luckily for him I was still up playing my Bagpipes.
> 
> Paddy says "Mick, I'm thinking of buying a Labrador."
> "Blow that" says Mick "have you seen how many of their owners go blind?"
> 
> My girlfriend thinks that I'm a stalker. Well, she's not exactly my girlfriend yet.
> 
> I was explaining to my wife last night that when you die you get reincarnated but must come back as a different creature.
> She said she would like to come back as a cow.
> I said "You're obviously not listening."
> 
> The wife has been missing a week now.  
> Police said to prepare for the worst.
> So I have been to the charity shop to get all
> her clothes back.
> 
> Two Muslims have crashed a speedboat into the Thames barrier in London. 
> Police think it might be the start of Ram-a-dam.
> 
> Sat opposite an Indian lady on the train today, she shut her eyes and stopped breathing. I thought she was dead, until I saw the red spot on her forehead and 
> realized she was just on standby.  
> 
> The wife was counting all the 5 and 10 pence coins out on the kitchen table when she suddenly got very angry and started shouting and crying for no reason. 
> I thought to myself, "She's going through the change."
> 
> When I was in the pub I heard a couple of plonkers 
> saying that they wouldn't feel safe on an aircraft 
> if they knew the pilot was a woman.
> What a pair of sexists. I mean, it's not as if she'd have to reverse the bloody thing!
> 
> Local Police hunting the 'knitting needle nutter', who has stabbed six people in their back in the last 48 hours, believe the attacker could be following some kind of pattern.
> 
> Bought some 'rocket salad' yesterday but it went off before I could eat it!
> 
> A teddy bear is working on a building site. He goes for a tea break and when he returns he notices his pick has been stolen.
> The bear is angry and reports the theft to the foreman.
> The foreman grins at the bear and says, "Oh, I forgot to tell you, today's the day the teddy bears have their pick nicked."
> 
> Murphy says to Paddy, "What ya talkin into an envelope for?"  
> "I'm sending a voicemail ya thick sod!"
> 
> Just got back from my mate's funeral.
> He died after being hit on the head with a tennis ball.
> It was a lovely service.
> 
> 19 paddies go to the cinema, the ticket lady asks "Why so many of you?"  
> Mick replies, "The film said 18 or over."
> 
> An Asian fellow has moved in next door.
> He has traveled the world; swum with sharks, 
> wrestled bears and climbed the highest mountain.
> It came as no surprise to learn his name was Bindair Dundat.
>  
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sat May  2 03:40:14 2020
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 08:40:14 -0000
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Sat May  2 05:04:19 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2020 11:04:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Remote inserts to news etc
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I'm quite interested in this. Of course interviews where the interviewee
is at home or whatever aren't new. Just a lot more prevalent now.

What is noticeable is how much the quality varies. Even when the
interviewee is obviously just using their own equipment. 

I've been using Zoom quite a bit recently. What annoys about that is the
picture quality can be good enough while the sound can go to such a low
data rate as to be very tiring to listen to.

Is there that much difference between say a decent Mac laptop or i-phone
and the Windows or Android equivalent? Or is it more down to the internet
link?      




In article <B4264CC4FCE944EE9FFF9E132486192A at Gigabyte>,
   Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Not sure if this is the right place to post this but I am amazed how the downtheline interviews and inserts for news and current affairs work at the moment.
> Even from those in peoples homes (i.e. without the special kit installed in newsreaders etc homes) done on skype, the full screen video is remarkably good ? but that is what arrives at BBC HQ presumably ? but is intercut with cutaways from the interviewers perspective ? either with an inserted question (recorded later?) or an over the shoulder shot with the happening interview on the small screen in front of them. This often sees to be live done.
> Also ? presumably due to even ordinary internet having a much lower delay than in the old days when often clean feed was by phone to save reverse satellite audio delay.
> The things like Ch4 or ITV news presented from the presenters home work amazingly well. Better than what has worked up to now when the shot on the large ?invision? studio screen is always cut to the live feed when the remote is talking so is in lip sync
> Ideas?

> On the other hand it is interesting to watch Gardner's World where Mr Don is shooting stuff of himself by himself and sorting out cutaways to be inserted after in the main edit.

> All this cleverness may well have a profound effect on future shooting of shows eh?

> Mike

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat May  2 06:57:44 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 12:57:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Anti-virus advice
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat May  2 07:26:14 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:26:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Remote inserts to news etc
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?Last year I was doing some corporate work where we needed to interview contributors from overseas.  We did the interview itself via FaceTime but got each contributor to use two or more iPhones to video their contribution from different angles and then send those files to us afterwards.

We did trial runs with contributors, making suggestions about how best to use the lighting in their room, optimise the sound and preferred  camera angles. We did things like getting them to fasten iPhones to adjustable lamps with bulldog clips in order to get the right camera angle, or to have an assistant doing hand held shots.  

The interviews themselves worked really well and the contributors seemed very relaxed about working that way. The client was delighted with the edited results and pointed out that we have probably lost some future foreign trips now that they know how to work remotely.

Alan Taylor
> 
>>> On 2 May 2020, at 11:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I'm quite interested in this. Of course interviews where the interviewee
>>> is at home or whatever aren't new. Just a lot more prevalent now.
>>> 
>>> What is noticeable is how much the quality varies. Even when the
>>> interviewee is obviously just using their own equipment. 
>>> 
>>> I've been using Zoom quite a bit recently. What annoys about that is the
>>> picture quality can be good enough while the sound can go to such a low
>>> data rate as to be very tiring to listen to.
>>> 
>>> Is there that much difference between say a decent Mac laptop or i-phone
>>> and the Windows or Android equivalent? Or is it more down to the internet
>>> link?      
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In article <B4264CC4FCE944EE9FFF9E132486192A at Gigabyte>,
>>>  Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Not sure if this is the right place to post this but I am amazed how the downtheline interviews and inserts for news and current affairs work at the moment.
>>> Even from those in peoples homes (i.e. without the special kit installed in newsreaders etc homes) done on skype, the full screen video is remarkably good ? but that is what arrives at BBC HQ presumably ? but is intercut with cutaways from the interviewers perspective ? either with an inserted question (recorded later?) or an over the shoulder shot with the happening interview on the small screen in front of them. This often sees to be live done.
>>> Also ? presumably due to even ordinary internet having a much lower delay than in the old days when often clean feed was by phone to save reverse satellite audio delay.
>>> The things like Ch4 or ITV news presented from the presenters home work amazingly well. Better than what has worked up to now when the shot on the large ?invision? studio screen is always cut to the live feed when the remote is talking so is in lip sync
>>> Ideas?
>> 
>>> On the other hand it is interesting to watch Gardner's World where Mr Don is shooting stuff of himself by himself and sorting out cutaways to be inserted after in the main edit.
>> 
>>> All this cleverness may well have a profound effect on future shooting of shows eh?
>> 
>>> Mike
>> 
>> -- 
>> *The severity of the itch is proportional to the reach *
>> 
>>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>> 
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat May  2 07:37:42 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:37:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Remote inserts to news etc
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I recall a panic amongst film crews when front projection was invented.
This was similar to green screen and could put the actors anywhere in the world!
Happily, the foreign locations still happen to this day.
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 02 May 2020 13:26
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Remote inserts to news etc

The interviews themselves worked really well and the contributors seemed very relaxed about working that way. The client was delighted with the edited results and pointed out that we have probably lost some future foreign trips now that they know how to work remotely.

Alan Taylor



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat May  2 07:43:08 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 13:43:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] [AMPSConnect] Amusement at this time
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Thank you, Martin for your supportive comments.
In future, I shall avoid treading on sensitive toes and refrain from posting ?amusing? things. Everyone can sort out their own chuckles to relieve us from this period of pernicious pestilence.
Pat

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From: Martin Trevis via Connect
Sent: 02 May 2020 11:25
To: AMPS Members Private Discussion Group
Cc: Martin Trevis; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [AMPSConnect] Amusement at this time

Dear All 
I agree with you Simon very unfair to bully someone who was trying to cheer us all up.?
Pat has always been an enthusiastic well informed contributor to our forum.
Stay safe
Martin
Sent from my iPhone


On 2 May 2020, at 11:10, Alan Weldon via Connect <connect at talk.amps.net> wrote:
? 
Well said, Simon.

On Sat 2 May 2020, 11:08 Simon Bishop via Connect, <connect at talk.amps.net> wrote:
Dear all, 

I can?t help but to feel that this forum, whilst useful on occasions, is quite out dated in terms of its delivery method and feature set. 

I can?t remember if we have a mechanism to remove posts. If we do then perhaps the kindest and most appropriate way to have dealt with this would have been to have sent a private note to Pat, who is of a certain vintage and era, and to remove the thread.?

I feel that this thread has managed to morph from whatever your opinions are of the original posting, to bullying. I am not sure which is the greater sin.?

Perhaps we should be looking at a more feature rich platform on which to run these communications.?

Stay safe folks, and please think before you post.?

Simon B
Sent from my secret lair


On 1 May 2020, at 19:55, Paul Paragon via Connect <connect at talk.amps.net> wrote:
? 
Hi Pat,
I don?t think AMPS is the place for this humour
I don?t think ANY place is the place for this humour.
I found it distasteful, had to stop reading and delete.
Paul
?
?
?
From: Connect <connect-bounces at talk.amps.net> on behalf of patheigham via Connect <connect at talk.amps.net>
Reply to: AMPS Members Private Discussion Group <connect at talk.amps.net>
Date: Friday, 1 May 2020 at 16:38
To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, AMPS Members Private Discussion Group <connect at talk.amps.net>
Cc: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
Subject: [AMPSConnect] Amusement at this time
?
A friend of mine came in with these ? should he have bothered?
?
The Grim Reaper came for me last night, and I beat him off with a vacuum cleaner.
Talk about Dyson with death.

I went to the cemetery yesterday to lay some flowers on a grave. As I was standing there I noticed 4 grave diggers walking about with a coffin.
3 hours later and they're still walking about with it.
I thought to myself, they've lost the plot!!

My daughter asked me for a pet spider for her birthday,
so I went to our local pet shop and they were ?40!!!
Blow this, I thought, I can get one cheaper off the web.

I was at an ATM yesterday when a little old lady asked if I could check her balance, so I pushed her over.

I start a new job in Seoul next week. I thought it was a good Korea move.?
??
I was driving this morning when I saw a parked RAC van.? The driver was sobbing?uncontrollably?and looked very miserable.
I thought to myself, that guy's heading for a breakdown.

Statistically, 6 out of 7 dwarfs are not Happy.

My neighbour knocked on my door at 2:30 am this morning, can you believe that, 2:30 am?!? Luckily for him I was still up playing my Bagpipes.

Paddy says "Mick, I'm thinking of buying a Labrador."
"Blow that" says Mick "have you seen how many?of their owners go blind?"

My girlfriend thinks that I'm a stalker.?Well, she's not exactly my girlfriend yet.

I was explaining to my wife last night that when you die you get reincarnated but must come back as a different creature.
She said she would like to come back as a cow.
I said "You're obviously not listening."

The wife has been missing a week now.? 
Police said to prepare for the worst.
So I have been to the charity shop to get all
her clothes back.

Two Muslims have crashed a speedboat into the Thames barrier in London. 
Police think it might be the start of Ram-a-dam.

Sat opposite an Indian lady on the train today, she shut her eyes and stopped breathing. I thought she was dead, until I saw the red spot on her forehead and 
realized?she was just on standby.??

The wife was counting all the 5 and 10 pence coins out on the kitchen table when she suddenly got very angry and started shouting and crying for no reason.?
I thought to myself,?"She's going through the change."

When I was in the pub I heard a couple of plonkers 
saying that they wouldn't feel safe on an aircraft 
if they knew the pilot was a woman.
What a pair of sexists. I mean, it's not as if she'd have to reverse the bloody thing!

Local Police hunting the 'knitting needle nutter', who has stabbed six people in their back in the last 48 hours,?believe the attacker could be following?some kind of pattern.

Bought some 'rocket salad' yesterday?but it went off before I could eat it!

A teddy bear is working on a building site.?He goes for a tea break and when he returns?he notices his pick has been stolen.
The bear is angry and reports the theft to the foreman.
The foreman grins at the bear and says,?"Oh, I forgot to tell you, today's the day the teddy?bears have their pick nicked."

Murphy says to Paddy, "What ya talkin into an?envelope for?"??
"I'm sending a voicemail ya thick sod!"

Just got back from my mate's funeral.
He died after being hit on the head with a tennis ball.
It was a lovely service.

19 paddies go to the cinema, the ticket lady asks "Why so many of you?"??
Mick replies, "The film said 18 or over."

An Asian fellow has moved in next door.
He has traveled?the world; swum with sharks, 
wrestled bears and climbed the highest mountain.
It came as no surprise to learn his name?was Bindair Dundat.
?
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat May  2 09:08:57 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 15:08:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Remote inserts to news etc
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I know an old photographer whose father was a photographer using wet plates.  When 35mm cameras came along, gewaschen convinced that his work would vanish, but now there are more professional photographers than ever.

It?s one thing to take a decent snap shot, but quite another to create a professional image and to do so under all circumstances.

We?re not worried about our work going away because of that remote working job.  Part of the job involved FedExing a package to the contributor with a Lightning interface, microphone, cable and stand for the iPad, together with simple instructions so that we could get good quality results. We were able to work from home and still charge worthwhile fees and the client could see that we were adding quality to what they were doing.

Alan Taylor


> On 2 May 2020, at 13:37, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I recall a panic amongst film crews when front projection was invented.
> This was similar to green screen and could put the actors anywhere in the world!
> Happily, the foreign locations still happen to this day.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 02 May 2020 13:26
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: [Tech1] Remote inserts to news etc
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> The interviews themselves worked really well and the contributors seemed very relaxed about working that way. The client was delighted with the edited results and pointed out that we have probably lost some future foreign trips now that they know how to work remotely.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat May  2 16:07:49 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 22:07:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] low cost photo sottware
Message-ID: <19b30a45-d642-d3e7-1597-5719971c6758@ntlworld.com>

Hi All

Of course, the GIMP is free, but there's a deal on Affinity Photo at the 
moment - ?23.99. If you'd love to have Photoshop, don't bother, try this.

https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/#buy

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From martin at mridout.force9.co.uk  Sat May  2 16:23:16 2020
From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 22:23:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] low cost photo sottware
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But Affinity is flawed if you are a RAW shooter. RAW conversion is done 
but the settings are not retained. It is impossible to return to a RAW 
and refine your tweaks. It's OK for working on jpg and already 
rasterised images.

Martin

On 02/05/2020 22:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi All
> 
> Of course, the GIMP is free, but there's a deal on Affinity Photo at the 
> moment - ?23.99. If you'd love to have Photoshop, don't bother, try this.
> 
> https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/#buy
> 
> B
> 
> 


From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat May  2 16:38:48 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 22:38:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] low cost photo sottware
In-Reply-To: <19b30a45-d642-d3e7-1597-5719971c6758@ntlworld.com>
References: <19b30a45-d642-d3e7-1597-5719971c6758@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <4D0A1A57-11F6-476C-BBA2-CC0790A842A5@btinternet.com>

https://uk.pcmag.com/photo-editing/8546/the-best-photo-editing-software <https://uk.pcmag.com/photo-editing/8546/the-best-photo-editing-software>

There are others

Pixelmator is a good one but Photoshop does text layouts too.

This was done by Photoshop:


> On 2 May 2020, at 22:07, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Of course, the GIMP is free, but there's a deal on Affinity Photo at the moment - ?23.99. If you'd love to have Photoshop, don't bother, try this.
> 
> https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/#buy <https://affinity.serif.com/en-us/photo/#buy>
> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 03:30:37 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 08:30:37 +0000 (UTC)
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Happy 'International Star Wars Day' everyone - May the Fourth be with you!
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 06:30:23 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 12:30:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
Message-ID: <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E@btinternet.com>

Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree that they want more jobs to be outside London.
Well, you might say, that is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their address. 
This policy and the way Offcom has been set up hasn?t been thought through. Bernie for instance (the lighting Bernie) lives within the M25 but works throughout the country. Reference the Kings article in the BBCPA Newsletter in December. Talent like Bernie?s almost certainly crosses the M25 quite regularly. Bernie works very hard to increase young talent as well. 
So ?.discuss!

The word SALFORD comes to mind. I would be interested to know if the move there has altered the talent landscape.

Talent tends to cluster where the general culture lies and young talent starts at least at that centre. They may branch out to other areas like Ballet in the North Scottish Theatre etc but much talent come initially from centres of talent. You might say Bristol and Manchester. Glasgow and Cardiff are centres but not what I might call hubs.
We have a capital city for the UK and that it where people come to.

AB



From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon May  4 07:17:07 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 13:17:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E@btinternet.com>
References: <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
   Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree
> that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you might say, that
> is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many
> lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their
> address. 

Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?

-- 
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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Mon May  4 07:50:01 2020
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 13:50:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>

There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
Graham Maunder

Sent from my iPhone 

> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>   Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree
>> that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you might say, that
>> is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many
>> lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their
>> address. 
> 
> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
> 
> -- 
> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 08:34:36 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 14:34:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>

I think I should qualify talent.

The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent. 
I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.

I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.

We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.


Best to all 
I feel better now I got all that off my chest.

AB

> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
> Graham Maunder
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>  Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree
>>> that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you might say, that
>>> is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many
>>> lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their
>>> address. 
>> 
>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>> 
>> -- 
>> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
>> 
>>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>> 
>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon May  4 09:01:15 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 15:01:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <586b65fa76dave@davesound.co.uk>

Albert, my comment about 'talent' referred to those who work in front of
the camera. Perhaps not a term used these days.
Point being they is no different in principle to a free lance tech of any
sort. Where they choose to live should make no difference to where they
might be offered work.

BTW, I certainly don't remember the unions 'going too far'. Unless you
think the situation today for us lot better.


In article <EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC at btinternet.com>,
   Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I think I should qualify talent.

> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent. 
> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.

> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.

> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.


> Best to all 
> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.

> AB

> > On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
> > Graham Maunder
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone 
> > 
> >> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> #In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
> >>  Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree
> >>> that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you might say, that
> >>> is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many
> >>> lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their
> >>> address. 
> >> 
> >> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
> >> 
> >>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> >> 
> >> 
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> -- 
> Te

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*You! Off my planet!

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon May  4 09:04:58 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 15:04:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <D2D76670-0DC8-461D-9EBB-2B90B4DFD5FF@me.com>

I agree with Albert.  My time on BBC TV outside broadcasts meant that I worked alongside people from all the regions and I felt that they were every bit the equal of people in London.  Obviously there was friendly rivalry, which is a good thing, but there was also mutual respect.  I too would single out Bristol as being  a real gem of television production.  We all know about the natural history output, but they also had directors who came up with interesting ideas for unusual programmes and executed them very well.

Since leaving the BBC, I have also worked in some ITV regional studios and my experiences there have been positive too.  I especially liked the fact that in some Meridian studios, staff were encouraged to work in other disciplines within their studio, which widened their experience and also gave them a better awareness of other department's problems.

These days the BBC seems to have essentially turned it's back on how the regional television operations used to be conducted and have instead promoted a decentralised operation.  I can understand how it might be possible to save some money compared to London property prices and pay rates, but I completely fail to see what other advantages there might be, especially as most performers, celebrities and newsworthy people tend to be centred on London. The old chestnut about being able to get from London to Manchester in about 100 minutes means nothing if you have to travel at either end too.  All but the most remote towns have a nearby station where you can get a train to London, but if you live outside of London, getting a train to Manchester is not so easy and can take a long time.

Alan Taylor





On 4 May 2020, at 4 May . 14:34, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I think I should qualify talent.
> 
> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent. 
> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.
> 
> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.
> 
> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.
> 
> 
> Best to all 
> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.
> 
> AB
> 
>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
>> Graham Maunder
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>> Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree
>>>> that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you might say, that
>>>> is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many
>>>> lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their
>>>> address. 
>>> 
>>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
>>> 
>>> Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 09:14:01 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 15:14:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <586b65fa76dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
	<586b65fa76dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9F856BF4-5169-4CAD-8906-3FC94536E13D@btinternet.com>

The ACTT were quite difficult

> On 4 May 2020, at 15:01, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Albert, my comment about 'talent' referred to those who work in front of
> the camera. Perhaps not a term used these days.
> Point being they is no different in principle to a free lance tech of any
> sort. Where they choose to live should make no difference to where they
> might be offered work.
> 
> BTW, I certainly don't remember the unions 'going too far'. Unless you
> think the situation today for us lot better.
> 
> 
> In article <EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC at btinternet.com>,
>   Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I think I should qualify talent.
> 
>> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent. 
>> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
>> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
>> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.
> 
>> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.
> 
>> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.
> 
> 
>> Best to all 
>> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.
> 
>> AB
> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
>>> Graham Maunder
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> #In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>>> Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree
>>>>> that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you might say, that
>>>>> is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many
>>>>> lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their
>>>>> address. 
>>>> 
>>>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
>>>> 
>>>>  Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Te
> 
> -- 
> *You! Off my planet!
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 09:31:05 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 15:31:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <D2D76670-0DC8-461D-9EBB-2B90B4DFD5FF@me.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
	<D2D76670-0DC8-461D-9EBB-2B90B4DFD5FF@me.com>
Message-ID: <C1F43C12-86A5-4D9C-BABF-193B0ABB1DA9@btinternet.com>

Thanks Alan. I agree with all you say.

The BBC has set its back on development of staff. They would disagree but we all learn?t to respect other departments and ideas were generously exchanged.
One reason was the BBC canteens and the club where you could meat others plus you might wander into other areas like design or Sound and Studio Galeries, you would learn to have or not to have hard cobbles on the floor for sound, The way sound would fly off into the lights if you didn?t have a drape covering the set, you could visit CAR and pick up something of lighting where you found about standard heights of sets and use of ceilings, breaking down walled sets, Focus rings that turn right or left, Camera lens angles, communication problems and satellites. All very useful if you wanted to talk to a person you knew as a colleague or friend who might be able to get things done. You knew each others friends, family, wives, mistresses and boyfriends.

Respect of others skills was also embedded in meeting and forming friendships in all areas from the Commissionaires who might give you a parking place if you were rushed or a VT engineer who was a friend who might give you an extra 5 minutes.

It was part and parcel of that great engine of talent at TVC and in the regions. I think some regions because they are small and everyone knows each other have the same camaraderie. There is a but, this may only occur in small units.

Best to all. Like Alan I did work with some excellent ?friends? 
We were very lucky

Albert

> On 4 May 2020, at 15:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I agree with Albert.  My time on BBC TV outside broadcasts meant that I worked alongside people from all the regions and I felt that they were every bit the equal of people in London.  Obviously there was friendly rivalry, which is a good thing, but there was also mutual respect.  I too would single out Bristol as being  a real gem of television production.  We all know about the natural history output, but they also had directors who came up with interesting ideas for unusual programmes and executed them very well.
> 
> Since leaving the BBC, I have also worked in some ITV regional studios and my experiences there have been positive too.  I especially liked the fact that in some Meridian studios, staff were encouraged to work in other disciplines within their studio, which widened their experience and also gave them a better awareness of other department's problems.
> 
> These days the BBC seems to have essentially turned it's back on how the regional television operations used to be conducted and have instead promoted a decentralised operation.  I can understand how it might be possible to save some money compared to London property prices and pay rates, but I completely fail to see what other advantages there might be, especially as most performers, celebrities and newsworthy people tend to be centred on London. The old chestnut about being able to get from London to Manchester in about 100 minutes means nothing if you have to travel at either end too.  All but the most remote towns have a nearby station where you can get a train to London, but if you live outside of London, getting a train to Manchester is not so easy and can take a long time.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2020, at 4 May . 14:34, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I think I should qualify talent.
>> 
>> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent. 
>> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
>> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
>> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.
>> 
>> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.
>> 
>> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.
>> 
>> 
>> Best to all 
>> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.
>> 
>> AB
>> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
>>> Graham Maunder
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>>> Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government decree
>>>>> that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you might say, that
>>>>> is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is within the M25 many
>>>>> lighting experts are having their contracts cancelled because of their
>>>>> address. 
>>>> 
>>>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
>>>> 
>>>> Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>> 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> 
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Mon May  4 10:39:15 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 16:39:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <9F856BF4-5169-4CAD-8906-3FC94536E13D@btinternet.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
	<586b65fa76dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<9F856BF4-5169-4CAD-8906-3FC94536E13D@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <586b6ef3d2dave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <9F856BF4-5169-4CAD-8906-3FC94536E13D at btinternet.com>,
   Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> The ACTT were quite difficult

ITV management could be 'difficult' too. ;-)

-- 
*If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular? *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon May  4 12:00:48 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 18:00:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <D2D76670-0DC8-461D-9EBB-2B90B4DFD5FF@me.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
	<D2D76670-0DC8-461D-9EBB-2B90B4DFD5FF@me.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d62235$90ea65e0$b2bf31a0$@gmail.com>

Alan,
I believe it was a certain Tony Blair who decreed that more productions should be moved out of London, supported wholeheartedly by Michael Grade.
Then the accountants got hold of it and realised they could make lots of money!

Dave D


-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 04 May 2020 15:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM

I agree with Albert.  My time on BBC TV outside broadcasts meant that I worked alongside people from all the regions and I felt that they were every bit the equal of people in London.  Obviously there was friendly rivalry, which is a good thing, but there was also mutual respect.  I too would single out Bristol as being  a real gem of television production.  We all know about the natural history output, but they also had directors who came up with interesting ideas for unusual programmes and executed them very well.

Since leaving the BBC, I have also worked in some ITV regional studios and my experiences there have been positive too.  I especially liked the fact that in some Meridian studios, staff were encouraged to work in other disciplines within their studio, which widened their experience and also gave them a better awareness of other department's problems.

These days the BBC seems to have essentially turned it's back on how the regional television operations used to be conducted and have instead promoted a decentralised operation.  I can understand how it might be possible to save some money compared to London property prices and pay rates, but I completely fail to see what other advantages there might be, especially as most performers, celebrities and newsworthy people tend to be centred on London. The old chestnut about being able to get from London to Manchester in about 100 minutes means nothing if you have to travel at either end too.  All but the most remote towns have a nearby station where you can get a train to London, but if you live outside of London, getting a train to Manchester is not so easy and can take a long time.

Alan Taylor





On 4 May 2020, at 4 May . 14:34, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I think I should qualify talent.
> 
> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent. 
> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.
> 
> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.
> 
> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.
> 
> 
> Best to all
> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.
> 
> AB
> 
>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
>> Graham Maunder
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>> Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government 
>>>> decree that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you 
>>>> might say, that is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is 
>>>> within the M25 many lighting experts are having their contracts 
>>>> cancelled because of their address.
>>> 
>>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
>>> 
>>> Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon May  4 12:22:09 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 18:22:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <003c01d62235$90ea65e0$b2bf31a0$@gmail.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
	<D2D76670-0DC8-461D-9EBB-2B90B4DFD5FF@me.com>
	<003c01d62235$90ea65e0$b2bf31a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <795fec96-880a-fde9-a8dc-ca54ba33533a@chriswoolf.co.uk>

To be honest it is all a bit of a nonsense.

For some years I used to help out a small facilities company based in 
Plymouth. Since most productions looked for London based crew at the 
time, irrespective of where the job was, the company merely ran a London 
phone number.

Nobody ever queried where they worked out of, and since the company 
wasn't interested in London day-jobs, it really made no difference that 
they travelled for a 3-day shoot in Manchester or wherever, from 
Plymouth rather than Marble Arch.

If regionalitis rears its head in a serious fashion we'll just see lots 
of accommodation addresses attached to mobile phone numbers. Your 
lighting director will exist magically in Manchester, Bristol and 
Glasgow at the same time, and probably under a slightly different 
company name in London too.

Talent gets used because it is good, not where it lives.

Chris Woolf


On 04/05/2020 18:00, David Denness via Tech1 wrote:
> Alan,
> I believe it was a certain Tony Blair who decreed that more productions should be moved out of London, supported wholeheartedly by Michael Grade.
> Then the accountants got hold of it and realised they could make lots of money!
>
> Dave D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 04 May 2020 15:05
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
>
> I agree with Albert.  My time on BBC TV outside broadcasts meant that I worked alongside people from all the regions and I felt that they were every bit the equal of people in London.  Obviously there was friendly rivalry, which is a good thing, but there was also mutual respect.  I too would single out Bristol as being  a real gem of television production.  We all know about the natural history output, but they also had directors who came up with interesting ideas for unusual programmes and executed them very well.
>
> Since leaving the BBC, I have also worked in some ITV regional studios and my experiences there have been positive too.  I especially liked the fact that in some Meridian studios, staff were encouraged to work in other disciplines within their studio, which widened their experience and also gave them a better awareness of other department's problems.
>
> These days the BBC seems to have essentially turned it's back on how the regional television operations used to be conducted and have instead promoted a decentralised operation.  I can understand how it might be possible to save some money compared to London property prices and pay rates, but I completely fail to see what other advantages there might be, especially as most performers, celebrities and newsworthy people tend to be centred on London. The old chestnut about being able to get from London to Manchester in about 100 minutes means nothing if you have to travel at either end too.  All but the most remote towns have a nearby station where you can get a train to London, but if you live outside of London, getting a train to Manchester is not so easy and can take a long time.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4 May 2020, at 4 May . 14:34, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I think I should qualify talent.
>>
>> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent.
>> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
>> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
>> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.
>>
>> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.
>>
>> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.
>>
>>
>> Best to all
>> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.
>>
>> AB
>>
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
>>> Graham Maunder
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>>> Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government
>>>>> decree that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you
>>>>> might say, that is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is
>>>>> within the M25 many lighting experts are having their contracts
>>>>> cancelled because of their address.
>>>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead.
>>>>
>>>> Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 12:34:02 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 18:34:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Virus
Message-ID: <a5109ceb-50ac-ea59-1381-48a9b257ff30@btinternet.com>

Light at the end of the tunnel! Cheers, Dave

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From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 19:05:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hedge clippers anyone?
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Some people seem to have time on their hands! Cheers, Dave

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 13:14:23 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 19:14:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <003c01d62235$90ea65e0$b2bf31a0$@gmail.com>
References: <586b5c722cdave@davesound.co.uk>
	<FAB0EB19-8E1C-48A5-AE4A-5887BA9ADD38@icloud.com>
	<EF9DB26E-17CD-4AB1-8380-0D5498CC0DFC@btinternet.com>
	<D2D76670-0DC8-461D-9EBB-2B90B4DFD5FF@me.com>
	<003c01d62235$90ea65e0$b2bf31a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32049B65-CD67-4EB7-811E-9F5AC495EA10@btinternet.com>

Very true!


> On 4 May 2020, at 18:00, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Alan,
> I believe it was a certain Tony Blair who decreed that more productions should be moved out of London, supported wholeheartedly by Michael Grade.
> Then the accountants got hold of it and realised they could make lots of money!
> 
> Dave D
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 04 May 2020 15:05
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
> 
> I agree with Albert.  My time on BBC TV outside broadcasts meant that I worked alongside people from all the regions and I felt that they were every bit the equal of people in London.  Obviously there was friendly rivalry, which is a good thing, but there was also mutual respect.  I too would single out Bristol as being  a real gem of television production.  We all know about the natural history output, but they also had directors who came up with interesting ideas for unusual programmes and executed them very well.
> 
> Since leaving the BBC, I have also worked in some ITV regional studios and my experiences there have been positive too.  I especially liked the fact that in some Meridian studios, staff were encouraged to work in other disciplines within their studio, which widened their experience and also gave them a better awareness of other department's problems.
> 
> These days the BBC seems to have essentially turned it's back on how the regional television operations used to be conducted and have instead promoted a decentralised operation.  I can understand how it might be possible to save some money compared to London property prices and pay rates, but I completely fail to see what other advantages there might be, especially as most performers, celebrities and newsworthy people tend to be centred on London. The old chestnut about being able to get from London to Manchester in about 100 minutes means nothing if you have to travel at either end too.  All but the most remote towns have a nearby station where you can get a train to London, but if you live outside of London, getting a train to Manchester is not so easy and can take a long time.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2020, at 4 May . 14:34, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> I think I should qualify talent.
>> 
>> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent. 
>> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
>> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
>> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.
>> 
>> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.
>> 
>> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.
>> 
>> 
>> Best to all
>> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.
>> 
>> AB
>> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
>>> Graham Maunder
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>>> Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government 
>>>>> decree that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you 
>>>>> might say, that is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is 
>>>>> within the M25 many lighting experts are having their contracts 
>>>>> cancelled because of their address.
>>>> 
>>>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon May  4 13:20:02 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 19:20:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <32049B65-CD67-4EB7-811E-9F5AC495EA10@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <bk2eph384lbak18fsjrdtrvh.1588616402189@pgtmedia.co.uk>

The same M Grade that at the time ran Pinewood (just outside the M25 and so out of London!) And was trying to build its tv buisness. 



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Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM


Very true!


> On 4 May 2020, at 18:00, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Alan,
> I believe it was a certain Tony Blair who decreed that more productions should be moved out of London, supported wholeheartedly by Michael Grade.
> Then the accountants got hold of it and realised they could make lots of money!
>
> Dave D
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 04 May 2020 15:05
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
>
> I agree with Albert.? My time on BBC TV outside broadcasts meant that I worked alongside people from all the regions and I felt that they were every bit the equal of people in London.? Obviously there was friendly rivalry, which is a good thing, but there was also mutual respect.? I too would single out Bristol as being? a real gem of television production.? We all know about the natural history output, but they also had directors who came up with interesting ideas for unusual programmes and executed them very well.
>
> Since leaving the BBC, I have also worked in some ITV regional studios and my experiences there have been positive too.? I especially liked the fact that in some Meridian studios, staff were encouraged to work in other disciplines within their studio, which widened their experience and also gave them a better awareness of other department's problems.
>
> These days the BBC seems to have essentially turned it's back on how the regional television operations used to be conducted and have instead promoted a decentralised operation.? I can understand how it might be possible to save some money compared to London property prices and pay rates, but I completely fail to see what other advantages there might be, especially as most performers, celebrities and newsworthy people tend to be centred on London. The old chestnut about being able to get from London to Manchester in about 100 minutes means nothing if you have to travel at either end too.? All but the most remote towns have a nearby station where you can get a train to London, but if you live outside of London, getting a train to Manchester is not so easy and can take a long time.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4 May 2020, at 4 May . 14:34, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I think I should qualify talent.
>>
>> The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent.
>> I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
>> The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
>> THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.
>>
>> I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.
>>
>> We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.
>>
>>
>> Best to all
>> I feel better now I got all that off my chest.
>>
>> AB
>>
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
>>> Graham Maunder
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
>>>> Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government
>>>>> decree that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you
>>>>> might say, that is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is
>>>>> within the M25 many lighting experts are having their contracts
>>>>> cancelled because of their address.
>>>>
>>>> Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?
>>>>
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>>>>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 14:35:36 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 20:35:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hedge clippers anyone?
References: <27073D96-2A6D-41A9-B720-6DA02AE632CA.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <27073D96-2A6D-41A9-B720-6DA02AE632CA@btinternet.com>

?Thanks for posting such amazing breathtaking clips of topiary. (Trusting they?re all genuine) 

Now why can?t we ever see something impressive like this on Gardeners World???

....instead we have to suffer the untidy mess of a ?garden? that Monty Don expects us all to like.

Yes I know some may like his style of gardening and he can win over viewers by regularly featuring his three dogs wandering around in the background (without cocking their legs) but as far as I?m concerned his garden is an absolute mess!  

I?m surprised at the judgement of the BBC for thinking that Monty?s efforts represent what most viewers think a typical garden should look like and continue to feature it week after week just because he?s bunged in some eco friendly plants that attract a few moths.   
He doesn?t mention he?s created the perfect breeding ground for slugs and other pests that will in turn soon eat the very plants he?s just stuck in. 

Steve




> On 4 May 2020, at 19:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Some people seem to have time on their hands! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 14:35:36 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 20:35:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hedge clippers anyone?
References: <27073D96-2A6D-41A9-B720-6DA02AE632CA.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <27073D96-2A6D-41A9-B720-6DA02AE632CA@btinternet.com>

?Thanks for posting such amazing breathtaking clips of topiary. (Trusting they?re all genuine) 

Now why can?t we ever see something impressive like this on Gardeners World???

....instead we have to suffer the untidy mess of a ?garden? that Monty Don expects us all to like.

Yes I know some may like his style of gardening and he can win over viewers by regularly featuring his three dogs wandering around in the background (without cocking their legs) but as far as I?m concerned his garden is an absolute mess!  

I?m surprised at the judgement of the BBC for thinking that Monty?s efforts represent what most viewers think a typical garden should look like and continue to feature it week after week just because he?s bunged in some eco friendly plants that attract a few moths.   
He doesn?t mention he?s created the perfect breeding ground for slugs and other pests that will in turn soon eat the very plants he?s just stuck in. 

Steve




> On 4 May 2020, at 19:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Some people seem to have time on their hands! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From nickrodger at mac.com  Mon May  4 14:49:23 2020
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 20:49:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hedge clippers anyone?
In-Reply-To: <27073D96-2A6D-41A9-B720-6DA02AE632CA@btinternet.com>
References: <27073D96-2A6D-41A9-B720-6DA02AE632CA@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1776B6D8-6BA3-4E99-836E-12886592D312@mac.com>

Just goes to show what a good thing it is we?re all different. 
We love Monty Don, his untidy garden, and especially his dogs. 
If I never see another topiaried hedge I think I?ll survive. 
And indeed, he has done some topiary in the past, although as it was of Nigel, non~cocked, it might not have registered. 

Nick Rodger 

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Sent from my iPhone. 
Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 

Don?t blame me!! 
I voted Remain ??




> On 4 May 2020, at 20:36, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 

?Thanks for posting such amazing breathtaking clips of topiary. (Trusting they?re all genuine) 

Now why can?t we ever see something impressive like this on Gardeners World???

....instead we have to suffer the untidy mess of a ?garden? that Monty Don expects us all to like.

Yes I know some may like his style of gardening and he can win over viewers by regularly featuring his three dogs wandering around in the background (without cocking their legs) but as far as I?m concerned his garden is an absolute mess!  

I?m surprised at the judgement of the BBC for thinking that Monty?s efforts represent what most viewers think a typical garden should look like and continue to feature it week after week just because he?s bunged in some eco friendly plants that attract a few moths.   
He doesn?t mention he?s created the perfect breeding ground for slugs and other pests that will in turn soon eat the very plants he?s just stuck in. 

Steve




> On 4 May 2020, at 19:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Some people seem to have time on their hands! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 15:23:28 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:23:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Usenet
Message-ID: <f2450392-0829-2156-6656-c78a2570d9ec@btinternet.com>

OK, hands up how many of you use the 'Usenet'? Over the past few years 
the various providers of the original internet, the 'Usenet', have been 
scared into removing 'naughty' news groups thanks to the American 
moral-majority and the English self-appointed 'Internet Watch 
Foundation', started by an ex-policeman, I believe. This weekend, one of 
the biggest Usenet providers, Astraweb, has restored all of the news 
groups it had removed! Many of the newsgroups weren't really naughty, 
except to the Mary Whitehouse brigade! So, enjoy what you had been 
prevented from viewing! Cheers, Dave



From waresound at msn.com  Mon May  4 15:27:38 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 20:27:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035181770146F17041776B1DA7A60@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <32049B65-CD67-4EB7-811E-9F5AC495EA10@btinternet.com>,
	<bk2eph384lbak18fsjrdtrvh.1588616402189@pgtmedia.co.uk>,
	<VI1P189MB035181770146F17041776B1DA7A60@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035129111E09B1E1AA42F649A7A60@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

(Why do I keep forgetting to change the ?to? to the list, not the individual??)

Oh, and topiary - stand by for something amazing! Tomorrow.
Cheers,
Nick.

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From: Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
Date: 4 May 2020 at 21:24:33 BST
To: Paul Thackray <paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
Subject: Re:  [Tech1] OFFCOMM

?Is OFFCOMM something I don?t know about, or are we talking about Ofcom? Excuse my ignorance.
I have something to say about ACTT - tomorrow, when I?m sober.
Nick.

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On 4 May 2020, at 19:20, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?The same M Grade that at the time ran Pinewood (just outside the M25 and so out of London!) And was trying to build its tv buisness.



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Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM


Very true!


On 4 May 2020, at 18:00, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Alan,
I believe it was a certain Tony Blair who decreed that more productions should be moved out of London, supported wholeheartedly by Michael Grade.
Then the accountants got hold of it and realised they could make lots of money!

Dave D


-----Original Message-----
From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 04 May 2020 15:05
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM

I agree with Albert.  My time on BBC TV outside broadcasts meant that I worked alongside people from all the regions and I felt that they were every bit the equal of people in London.  Obviously there was friendly rivalry, which is a good thing, but there was also mutual respect.  I too would single out Bristol as being  a real gem of television production.  We all know about the natural history output, but they also had directors who came up with interesting ideas for unusual programmes and executed them very well.

Since leaving the BBC, I have also worked in some ITV regional studios and my experiences there have been positive too.  I especially liked the fact that in some Meridian studios, staff were encouraged to work in other disciplines within their studio, which widened their experience and also gave them a better awareness of other department's problems.

These days the BBC seems to have essentially turned it's back on how the regional television operations used to be conducted and have instead promoted a decentralised operation.  I can understand how it might be possible to save some money compared to London property prices and pay rates, but I completely fail to see what other advantages there might be, especially as most performers, celebrities and newsworthy people tend to be centred on London. The old chestnut about being able to get from London to Manchester in about 100 minutes means nothing if you have to travel at either end too.  All but the most remote towns have a nearby station where you can get a train to London, but if you live outside of London, getting a train to Manchester is not so easy and can take a long time.

Alan Taylor





On 4 May 2020, at 4 May . 14:34, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I think I should qualify talent.

The BBC talent base, and ITV come to that, throughout the whole of the country in my view is excellent.
I have I should think, worked in every region and found the quality of work and the people there all, with very few, very few, exceptions a wonderful experience. I spent much of my time in Bristol and thought that (in the 80?s) they would not be as good as London. How wrong could I be!?
The quality of work and subsequent programmes were excellent, won international prizes and influenced many in the audience towards science and number.
THEN the production base returned to centre on London and studio A was pulled down with the work migrating to London. London, equally good with a lot of good programmes plus fun and excellent with innovation and talent. Then SALFORD! What realistic is going on? Politics. Certainly not programme talent.

I can see that one extreme above the other often ends with exclusion and that is why the Offcom regime is not fully fair or worked out.

We all remember the bad old days at TVC when the unions went too far only to be clamped down on too hard.


Best to all
I feel better now I got all that off my chest.

AB

On 4 May 2020, at 13:50, Graham Maunder via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

There is a 25% (I think) limit that this doesn?t have to apply to. Based on personnel numbers NOT salary from my recollection.
Graham Maunder

Sent from my iPhone

On 4 May 2020, at 13:29, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?In article <11C6B7BA-56B4-41C2-9E80-984EFCDE016E at btinternet.com>,
Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Offcom has one or two issues to deal with thanks to a government
decree that they want more jobs to be outside London. Well, you
might say, that is a good idea BUT when much of the talent is
within the M25 many lighting experts are having their contracts
cancelled because of their address.

Does the same happen with the talent? Only get jobs in their local area?

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon May  4 15:32:25 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:32:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Usenet
In-Reply-To: <f2450392-0829-2156-6656-c78a2570d9ec@btinternet.com>
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I still use it a bit, though not the binary groups  where the naughty stuff is to be found I believe.
? 
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> 
> OK, hands up how many of you use the 'Usenet'? Over the past few years the various providers of the original internet, the 'Usenet', have been scared into removing 'naughty' news groups thanks to the American moral-majority and the English self-appointed 'Internet Watch Foundation', started by an ex-policeman, I believe. This weekend, one of the biggest Usenet providers, Astraweb, has restored all of the news groups it had removed! Many of the newsgroups weren't really naughty, except to the Mary Whitehouse brigade! So, enjoy what you had been prevented from viewing! Cheers, Dave
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 15:39:14 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Usenet
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It's not just 'naughty' stuff, Graeme, alt.binaries.saab has a lot of 
useful info. , and so have the other 110000+ other newsgroups! Just 
search and ye will find! Cheers, Dave

On 04/05/2020 21:32, Graeme Wall wrote:
> I still use it a bit, though not the binary groups  where the naughty stuff is to be found I believe.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 4 May 2020, at 21:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> OK, hands up how many of you use the 'Usenet'? Over the past few years the various providers of the original internet, the 'Usenet', have been scared into removing 'naughty' news groups thanks to the American moral-majority and the English self-appointed 'Internet Watch Foundation', started by an ex-policeman, I believe. This weekend, one of the biggest Usenet providers, Astraweb, has restored all of the news groups it had removed! Many of the newsgroups weren't really naughty, except to the Mary Whitehouse brigade! So, enjoy what you had been prevented from viewing! Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon May  4 15:50:31 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:50:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Usenet
In-Reply-To: <875f126a-7a1d-cbf3-45fe-3f0f069ded02@btinternet.com>
References: <f2450392-0829-2156-6656-c78a2570d9ec@btinternet.com>
	<83526FA8-A392-4D90-AC58-BD64E0E520EE@icloud.com>
	<875f126a-7a1d-cbf3-45fe-3f0f069ded02@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <01C561A1-0A5F-4818-A2DE-3168C3F85331@icloud.com>

I use Eternal September as my usenet provider and they don?t carry any binary groups for bandwidth reasons.

Must check out Astraweb, not heard of them before.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 May 2020, at 21:39, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> It's not just 'naughty' stuff, Graeme, alt.binaries.saab has a lot of useful info. , and so have the other 110000+ other newsgroups! Just search and ye will find! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 04/05/2020 21:32, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> I still use it a bit, though not the binary groups  where the naughty stuff is to be found I believe.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 21:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, hands up how many of you use the 'Usenet'? Over the past few years the various providers of the original internet, the 'Usenet', have been scared into removing 'naughty' news groups thanks to the American moral-majority and the English self-appointed 'Internet Watch Foundation', started by an ex-policeman, I believe. This weekend, one of the biggest Usenet providers, Astraweb, has restored all of the news groups it had removed! Many of the newsgroups weren't really naughty, except to the Mary Whitehouse brigade! So, enjoy what you had been prevented from viewing! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 15:56:19 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:56:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hedge clippers anyone?
References: <E4300CB1-DE50-42A9-8439-B0D3AF5A951D.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <E4300CB1-DE50-42A9-8439-B0D3AF5A951D@btinternet.com>

?With respect of course many may like Monty?s idea of Garden utopia but it does not represent a typical UK garden - we don?t all want plants randomly shoved in anywhere in a predominantly green paradise for pests that involves full time maintenance: The typical working person who isn?t an expert horticulturalist cannot fit this into their everyday lives.  OK to show Monty?s garden as a feature in its own right but not as the basis for BBC Gardeners World

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I see his untidiness extends to the structure of his garden too - he could do with focusing on some fairly urgent repairs and repointing work undertaking to the cracks in his garden walls: I see some amateur has had a go in the past but seems to have given up - maybe when they realised they?ve used modern cement instead of lime based mortar which will eventually lead to failure (cracking & spalling) of the old bricks!

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Steve 

> On 4 May 2020, at 20:49, Nick Rodger <nickrodger at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Just goes to show what a good thing it is we?re all different. 
> We love Monty Don, his untidy garden, and especially his dogs. 
> If I never see another topiaried hedge I think I?ll survive. 
> And indeed, he has done some topiary in the past, although as it was of Nigel, non~cocked, it might not have registered. 
> 
> Nick Rodger 
> 
> Cameraman 
> 07971 007578 
> nickrodger at mac.com  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 
> 
> Don?t blame me!! 
> I voted Remain ??
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 20:36, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for posting such amazing breathtaking clips of topiary. (Trusting they?re all genuine) 
> 
> Now why can?t we ever see something impressive like this on Gardeners World???
> 
> ....instead we have to suffer the untidy mess of a ?garden? that Monty Don expects us all to like.
> 
> Yes I know some may like his style of gardening and he can win over viewers by regularly featuring his three dogs wandering around in the background (without cocking their legs) but as far as I?m concerned his garden is an absolute mess!  
> 
> I?m surprised at the judgement of the BBC for thinking that Monty?s efforts represent what most viewers think a typical garden should look like and continue to feature it week after week just because he?s bunged in some eco friendly plants that attract a few moths.   
> He doesn?t mention he?s created the perfect breeding ground for slugs and other pests that will in turn soon eat the very plants he?s just stuck in. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 19:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?Some people seem to have time on their hands! Cheers, Dave
>> <eeb56316-1b05-40f0-9ace-f9e07d067b2e21.MP4>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 15:56:19 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:56:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hedge clippers anyone?
References: <E4300CB1-DE50-42A9-8439-B0D3AF5A951D.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <E4300CB1-DE50-42A9-8439-B0D3AF5A951D@btinternet.com>

?With respect of course many may like Monty?s idea of Garden utopia but it does not represent a typical UK garden - we don?t all want plants randomly shoved in anywhere in a predominantly green paradise for pests that involves full time maintenance: The typical working person who isn?t an expert horticulturalist cannot fit this into their everyday lives.  OK to show Monty?s garden as a feature in its own right but not as the basis for BBC Gardeners World

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I see his untidiness extends to the structure of his garden too - he could do with focusing on some fairly urgent repairs and repointing work undertaking to the cracks in his garden walls: I see some amateur has had a go in the past but seems to have given up - maybe when they realised they?ve used modern cement instead of lime based mortar which will eventually lead to failure (cracking & spalling) of the old bricks!

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Steve 

> On 4 May 2020, at 20:49, Nick Rodger <nickrodger at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Just goes to show what a good thing it is we?re all different. 
> We love Monty Don, his untidy garden, and especially his dogs. 
> If I never see another topiaried hedge I think I?ll survive. 
> And indeed, he has done some topiary in the past, although as it was of Nigel, non~cocked, it might not have registered. 
> 
> Nick Rodger 
> 
> Cameraman 
> 07971 007578 
> nickrodger at mac.com  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 
> 
> Don?t blame me!! 
> I voted Remain ??
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 20:36, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for posting such amazing breathtaking clips of topiary. (Trusting they?re all genuine) 
> 
> Now why can?t we ever see something impressive like this on Gardeners World???
> 
> ....instead we have to suffer the untidy mess of a ?garden? that Monty Don expects us all to like.
> 
> Yes I know some may like his style of gardening and he can win over viewers by regularly featuring his three dogs wandering around in the background (without cocking their legs) but as far as I?m concerned his garden is an absolute mess!  
> 
> I?m surprised at the judgement of the BBC for thinking that Monty?s efforts represent what most viewers think a typical garden should look like and continue to feature it week after week just because he?s bunged in some eco friendly plants that attract a few moths.   
> He doesn?t mention he?s created the perfect breeding ground for slugs and other pests that will in turn soon eat the very plants he?s just stuck in. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 4 May 2020, at 19:07, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?Some people seem to have time on their hands! Cheers, Dave
>> <eeb56316-1b05-40f0-9ace-f9e07d067b2e21.MP4>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 16:17:31 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 22:17:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Astraweb
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References: <f2450392-0829-2156-6656-c78a2570d9ec@btinternet.com>
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I have used several different Usenet providers over the years and found 
that Astraweb was the best. They have two sites, one is 
us.news.astraweb.com and eu.news.astraweb.com. Some files weren't 
complete on the Euro version so I now use the US one. Another good 
provider, for free, is usenetmax.com, which has amazing retention back 
to 2008!, but the download speed is the same as dial-up! You can pay 
extra for a fast version which gets to the heady heights of nearly 500 
Mbs.! My normal us.astraweb.com gets up to 4.7~ Gb. Cheers, Dave. PS. I 
can recommend 'Usenet Explorer' which, for an annual fee, will? find any 
file in the alt.binaries list (i.e. not the alt.fans. etc.). Cheers, Dave.

On 04/05/2020 21:50, Graeme Wall wrote:
> I use Eternal September as my usenet provider and they don?t carry any binary groups for bandwidth reasons.
>
> Must check out Astraweb, not heard of them before.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 4 May 2020, at 21:39, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's not just 'naughty' stuff, Graeme, alt.binaries.saab has a lot of useful info. , and so have the other 110000+ other newsgroups! Just search and ye will find! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 04/05/2020 21:32, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> I still use it a bit, though not the binary groups  where the naughty stuff is to be found I believe.
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 21:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, hands up how many of you use the 'Usenet'? Over the past few years the various providers of the original internet, the 'Usenet', have been scared into removing 'naughty' news groups thanks to the American moral-majority and the English self-appointed 'Internet Watch Foundation', started by an ex-policeman, I believe. This weekend, one of the biggest Usenet providers, Astraweb, has restored all of the news groups it had removed! Many of the newsgroups weren't really naughty, except to the Mary Whitehouse brigade! So, enjoy what you had been prevented from viewing! Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May  4 16:22:12 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 22:22:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Astraweb
In-Reply-To: <87b7089a-27f7-7f62-7561-cf54073e2c6b@btinternet.com>
References: <87b7089a-27f7-7f62-7561-cf54073e2c6b@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <fce03205-9e69-bdb9-61a2-323670339cb8@btinternet.com>

Spam!



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Tech1] Astraweb
Date: 	Mon, 4 May 2020 22:17:31 +0100
From: 	dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Reply-To: 	dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
To: 	Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>, tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk



I have used several different Usenet providers over the years and found 
that Astraweb was the best. They have two sites, one is 
us.news.astraweb.com and eu.news.astraweb.com. Some files weren't 
complete on the Euro version so I now use the US one. Another good 
provider, for free, is usenetmax.com, which has amazing retention back 
to 2008!, but the download speed is the same as dial-up! You can pay 
extra for a fast version which gets to the heady heights of nearly 500 
Mbs.! My normal us.astraweb.com gets up to 4.7~ Gb. Cheers, Dave. PS. I 
can recommend 'Usenet Explorer' which, for an annual fee, will? find any 
file in the alt.binaries list (i.e. not the alt.fans. etc.). Cheers, Dave.

On 04/05/2020 21:50, Graeme Wall wrote:
> I use Eternal September as my usenet provider and they don?t carry any 
> binary groups for bandwidth reasons.
>
> Must check out Astraweb, not heard of them before.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 4 May 2020, at 21:39, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's not just 'naughty' stuff, Graeme, alt.binaries.saab has a lot of 
>> useful info. , and so have the other 110000+ other newsgroups! Just 
>> search and ye will find! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 04/05/2020 21:32, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> I still use it a bit, though not the binary groups where the naughty 
>>> stuff is to be found I believe.
>>> ?
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 4 May 2020, at 21:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> OK, hands up how many of you use the 'Usenet'? Over the past few 
>>>> years the various providers of the original internet, the 'Usenet', 
>>>> have been scared into removing 'naughty' news groups thanks to the 
>>>> American moral-majority and the English self-appointed 'Internet 
>>>> Watch Foundation', started by an ex-policeman, I believe. This 
>>>> weekend, one of the biggest Usenet providers, Astraweb, has 
>>>> restored all of the news groups it had removed! Many of the 
>>>> newsgroups weren't really naughty, except to the Mary Whitehouse 
>>>> brigade! So, enjoy what you had been prevented from viewing! 
>>>> Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue May  5 02:59:20 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 08:59:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
Message-ID: <213C4726-55AC-4E3F-ACB5-A24204DC64E7@mac.com>

I mentioned that I had found  1972?s ?The French Way? on Amazon recently and have just started watching it - I thoroughly recommend it as a complete distraction from our current situation. Eric Thompson?s commentary is absolutely perfect, notes of sarcasm and admiration in equal measure and lots of pauses for thought. It has an almost home movie feel about it, (without the constant shots of yours truly) and I wonder how much of the lifestyle it depicts is still current. It certainly conjured up memories from our early holidays in La Belle France. 

 It was just over a fiver from Amazon, which for 200 minutes of reminiscence seems like good value to me. 

Mike G

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 03:18:59 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 09:18:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
In-Reply-To: <213C4726-55AC-4E3F-ACB5-A24204DC64E7@mac.com>
References: <213C4726-55AC-4E3F-ACB5-A24204DC64E7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>

Didn?t Eric Thompson read the English commentary for Magic Roundabout, having thrown away the French script and made up his own, after viewing?
Did he change the names of the characters?
There is a soundman, who also used to vision control cameras on a freelance multi-camera shoot. His name: Brian Roberts. Tony Bastable nicknamed him ?mollusc?, after the Magic Roundabout snail!
Pat
Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 05 May 2020 08:59
To: Tech Ops
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way

I mentioned that I had found  1972?s ?The French Way? on Amazon recently and have just started watching it - I thoroughly recommend it as a complete distraction from our current situation. Eric Thompson?s commentary is absolutely perfect, notes of sarcasm and admiration in equal measure and lots of pauses for thought. It has an almost home movie feel about it, (without the constant shots of yours truly) and I wonder how much of the lifestyle it depicts is still current. It certainly conjured up memories from our early holidays in La Belle France. 

 It was just over a fiver from Amazon, which for 200 minutes of reminiscence seems like good value to me. 

Mike G
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue May  5 04:17:52 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 10:17:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
In-Reply-To: <5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
References: <213C4726-55AC-4E3F-ACB5-A24204DC64E7@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <961DEEBA16E142C5B8CF8C90037F8FA6@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Yes Pat ? in my recollection that?s exactly what Eric Thompson did. Anyone with a line to Emma might well get confirmation!

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:18 AM
To: Mike Giles ; Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The French Way

Didn?t Eric Thompson read the English commentary for Magic Roundabout, having thrown away the French script and made up his own, after viewing?

Did he change the names of the characters?

There is a soundman, who also used to vision control cameras on a freelance multi-camera shoot. His name: Brian Roberts. Tony Bastable nicknamed him ?mollusc?, after the Magic Roundabout snail!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 05 May 2020 08:59
To: Tech Ops
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way

 

I mentioned that I had found  1972?s ?The French Way? on Amazon recently and have just started watching it - I thoroughly recommend it as a complete distraction from our current situation. Eric Thompson?s commentary is absolutely perfect, notes of sarcasm and admiration in equal measure and lots of pauses for thought. It has an almost home movie feel about it, (without the constant shots of yours truly) and I wonder how much of the lifestyle it depicts is still current. It certainly conjured up memories from our early holidays in La Belle France. 

 

It was just over a fiver from Amazon, which for 200 minutes of reminiscence seems like good value to me. 

 

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May  5 04:24:16 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 10:24:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Views
Message-ID: <1BBB0BCC-CA90-4111-92F0-FADAD89E6431@icloud.com>

Here?s a view you should have seen before, from the hill above Wood Norton.

? 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Tue May  5 05:00:46 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:00:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Usenet
In-Reply-To: <f2450392-0829-2156-6656-c78a2570d9ec@btinternet.com>
References: <f2450392-0829-2156-6656-c78a2570d9ec@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJ=4jVodY2DCYfLMb1KBAeURfn8FUHc9Gi54=Sp-55FwNw@mail.gmail.com>

Like you, Dave, I used to be a great fan of Usenet, and happily paid
(perhaps ?20 p.a.?) for a service that provided so much more than
other web sites. Usenet was the main thing I used,  and I often told people
how much they were missing if they didn't have it available. But,
gradually, the internet started providing everything I needed without
having to pay to access Usenet. So I haven't used it for years. I can't
even remember which Usenet service I had.
KW


On Mon, 4 May 2020 at 21:23, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> OK, hands up how many of you use the 'Usenet'? Over the past few years
> the various providers of the original internet, the 'Usenet', have been
> scared into removing 'naughty' news groups thanks to the American
> moral-majority and the English self-appointed 'Internet Watch
> Foundation', started by an ex-policeman, I believe. This weekend, one of
> the biggest Usenet providers, Astraweb, has restored all of the news
> groups it had removed! Many of the newsgroups weren't really naughty,
> except to the Mary Whitehouse brigade! So, enjoy what you had been
> prevented from viewing! Cheers, Dave
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue May  5 05:13:54 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:13:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Views
In-Reply-To: <1BBB0BCC-CA90-4111-92F0-FADAD89E6431@icloud.com>
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And the ?reverse? view?



Remains of swimming pool just showing bottom right and ?Don?t mention the dishes?
I can?t find the screengrab now but when Sat Ops moved there, BBC did a bit about ?secret? repositioning of dishes from TC but the view included the Phoenix old studio building ? giveaway to knowledgeable

Mike

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 10:24 AM
To: Tech ops 
Subject: [Tech1] Views

Here?s a view you should have seen before, from the hill above Wood Norton. 

? 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May  5 05:33:25 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:33:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Views
In-Reply-To: <A24983B66C2243A28B363D1B66F8E926@Gigabyte>
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My shot was from abve the stable block bottom right.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 5 May 2020, at 11:13, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> And the ?reverse? view?
>  
> <Wood%20Norton%20aerial%20view%20June%202013_1[1].jpg>
>  
> Remains of swimming pool just showing bottom right and ?Don?t mention the dishes?
> I can?t find the screengrab now but when Sat Ops moved there, BBC did a bit about ?secret? repositioning of dishes from TC but the view included the Phoenix old studio building ? giveaway to knowledgeable
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 10:24 AM
> To: Tech ops
> Subject: [Tech1] Views
>  
> Here?s a view you should have seen before, from the hill above Wood Norton.
>  
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue May  5 05:43:43 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 11:43:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Views
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References: <1BBB0BCC-CA90-4111-92F0-FADAD89E6431@icloud.com>
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I see just one patch of crop cover sheeting Graeme. I?ve not seen the Vale of Evesham in donkey?s years and half expected in might look more like this :



This is actually Sussex and whilst one fully understands the reasons it really doesn?t do much for the landscape. You?ve even got a bit of Scots Pine and naturalised looking vegetation ? hope it remains!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 10:24 AM
To: Tech ops 
Subject: [Tech1] Views

Here?s a view you should have seen before, from the hill above Wood Norton. 

? 
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue May  5 05:58:34 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 10:58:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Views
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035161DB2C6BDE7681060803A7A70@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?It?s certainly changed a lot since I was last there (around 1975). Google Earth shows something massive being built just south-east of Wood Norton.

By the way, did you know that there?s a clock symbol at the top of the Google Earth web page that lets you turn back time and see earlier versions? In this case, 1945, 1995 and 2005. And the most recent (below), 2017.
Cheers,
Nick.
[cid:CB5B5D14-C6EA-48D2-BCA2-EF93BD27F832]
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 5 May 2020, at 11:14, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
And the ?reverse? view?

[Wood Norton aerial view June 2013_1]

Remains of swimming pool just showing bottom right and ?Don?t mention the dishes?
I can?t find the screengrab now but when Sat Ops moved there, BBC did a bit about ?secret? repositioning of dishes from TC but the view included the Phoenix old studio building ? giveaway to knowledgeable

Mike

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 10:24 AM
To: Tech ops<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Views

Here?s a view you should have seen before, from the hill above Wood Norton.

?
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue May  5 06:00:32 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 12:00:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Usenet
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJ=4jVodY2DCYfLMb1KBAeURfn8FUHc9Gi54=Sp-55FwNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f2450392-0829-2156-6656-c78a2570d9ec@btinternet.com>
	<CAA=qGJ=4jVodY2DCYfLMb1KBAeURfn8FUHc9Gi54=Sp-55FwNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <586bd9456fdave@davesound.co.uk>

In article
<CAA=qGJ=4jVodY2DCYfLMb1KBAeURfn8FUHc9Gi54=Sp-55FwNw at mail.gmail.com>,
   Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Like you, Dave, I used to be a great fan of Usenet, and happily paid
> (perhaps ?20 p.a.?) for a service that provided so much more than other
> web sites. Usenet was the main thing I used,  and I often told people
> how much they were missing if they didn't have it available. But,
> gradually, the internet started providing everything I needed without
> having to pay to access Usenet. So I haven't used it for years. I can't
> even remember which Usenet service I had.

There are free Usenet providers. News Eternal September. AIOE. You may
need more than one, as not all carry all the groups you may want.

Most ISPs seem to removed their easy access to newsnet, though.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue May  5 05:56:11 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 11:56:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <bk2eph384lbak18fsjrdtrvh.1588616402189@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <32049B65-CD67-4EB7-811E-9F5AC495EA10@btinternet.com>
	<bk2eph384lbak18fsjrdtrvh.1588616402189@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <586bd8df4fdave@davesound.co.uk>

In article <bk2eph384lbak18fsjrdtrvh.1588616402189 at pgtmedia.co.uk>,
   Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> The same M Grade that at the time ran Pinewood (just outside the M25 and
> so out of London!) And was trying to build its tv buisness. 

Wasn't there a rumour he was associated with the company who owns the BBC
Salford site?

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 06:06:19 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 12:06:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] OFFCOMM
In-Reply-To: <586bd8df4fdave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <32049B65-CD67-4EB7-811E-9F5AC495EA10@btinternet.com>
	<bk2eph384lbak18fsjrdtrvh.1588616402189@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<586bd8df4fdave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5eb148ab.1c69fb81.d64b9.8627@mx.google.com>

Companies House will have a list of Directors, open for inspection, if you know the name of the company that owns the Salford site ? provided it?s not a shell company based in the Caymans!

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 05 May 2020 12:01
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] OFFCOMM

In article <bk2eph384lbak18fsjrdtrvh.1588616402189 at pgtmedia.co.uk>,
   Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> The same M Grade that at the time ran Pinewood (just outside the M25 and
> so out of London!) And was trying to build its tv buisness. 

Wasn't there a rumour he was associated with the company who owns the BBC
Salford site?

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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue May  5 07:27:03 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 13:27:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
In-Reply-To: <5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
References: <5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2BEBE6F6-6328-48B3-B399-5EF0DBD85451@mac.com>

Yes - Eric Thompson was the inimitable voice of Dougal and company, with, as you say, his own stories to suit the pictures. The traditional ending was Zebedee saying ?It?s time for bed? if I remember rightly. 

I recall reading the books to our children at bedtime and being unable to continue for laughing!

Mike G

> On 5 May 2020, at 09:19, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Didn?t Eric Thompson read the English commentary for Magic Roundabout, having thrown away the French script and made up his own, after viewing?
> Did he change the names of the characters?
> There is a soundman, who also used to vision control cameras on a freelance multi-camera shoot. His name: Brian Roberts. Tony Bastable nicknamed him ?mollusc?, after the Magic Roundabout snail!
> Pat
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Mike Giles via Tech1
> Sent: 05 May 2020 08:59
> To: Tech Ops
> Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
>  
> I mentioned that I had found  1972?s ?The French Way? on Amazon recently and have just started watching it - I thoroughly recommend it as a complete distraction from our current situation. Eric Thompson?s commentary is absolutely perfect, notes of sarcasm and admiration in equal measure and lots of pauses for thought. It has an almost home movie feel about it, (without the constant shots of yours truly) and I wonder how much of the lifestyle it depicts is still current. It certainly conjured up memories from our early holidays in La Belle France.
>  
> It was just over a fiver from Amazon, which for 200 minutes of reminiscence seems like good value to me.
>  
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue May  5 07:31:27 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 12:31:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
In-Reply-To: <5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
References: <213C4726-55AC-4E3F-ACB5-A24204DC64E7@mac.com>,
	<5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351C4BFC24954F79ED60829A7A70@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Brian Roberts didn?t ?used to vision control cameras?, but still does. He was affectionately nicknamed mollusc, because Tony Bastable was an impatient type who could never understand why things crews did took so long. Brian, I know would admit that he might not be the fastest, but he can definitely claim to be the most thorough. He has been a reliable helper with me on countless music (and video) jobs for the 40+ years that I?ve known him - and still is.
We worked on numerous Redapple jobs for Tony Bastable (as did Pat), and Tony became more than just a client - a good friend too. Sadly, Tony smoked himself to an early death, as by his own admission he knew he would, aged 62 in 2007.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 5 May 2020, at 09:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Didn?t Eric Thompson read the English commentary for Magic Roundabout, having thrown away the French script and made up his own, after viewing?
Did he change the names of the characters?
There is a soundman, who also used to vision control cameras on a freelance multi-camera shoot. His name: Brian Roberts. Tony Bastable nicknamed him ?mollusc?, after the Magic Roundabout snail!
Pat
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From: Mike Giles via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 05 May 2020 08:59
To: Tech Ops<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way

I mentioned that I had found  1972?s ?The French Way? on Amazon recently and have just started watching it - I thoroughly recommend it as a complete distraction from our current situation. Eric Thompson?s commentary is absolutely perfect, notes of sarcasm and admiration in equal measure and lots of pauses for thought. It has an almost home movie feel about it, (without the constant shots of yours truly) and I wonder how much of the lifestyle it depicts is still current. It certainly conjured up memories from our early holidays in La Belle France.

It was just over a fiver from Amazon, which for 200 minutes of reminiscence seems like good value to me.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 08:41:38 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 14:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351C4BFC24954F79ED60829A7A70@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <213C4726-55AC-4E3F-ACB5-A24204DC64E7@mac.com>,
	<5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
	<VI1P189MB0351C4BFC24954F79ED60829A7A70@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5eb16d12.1c69fb81.d51a2.bfd4@mx.google.com>

Perhaps I used the wrong description ? Brian was first class at matching up multi-cameras for picture/colour consistency. Pleased to hear he?s still working.
I was sad when Tony died, but a good example of a reason for not-
smoking.
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 05 May 2020 13:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The French Way

Brian Roberts didn?t ?used to vision control cameras?, but still does. He was affectionately nicknamed mollusc, because Tony Bastable was an impatient type who could never understand why things crews did took so long. Brian, I know would admit that he might not be the fastest, but he can definitely claim to be the most thorough. He has been a reliable helper with me on countless music (and video) jobs for the 40+ years that I?ve known him - and still is. 
We worked on numerous Redapple jobs for Tony Bastable (as did Pat), and Tony became more than just a client - a good friend too. Sadly, Tony smoked himself to an early death, as by his own admission he knew he would, aged 62 in 2007.
Cheers,
Nick.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue May  5 08:44:11 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 14:44:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
In-Reply-To: <2BEBE6F6-6328-48B3-B399-5EF0DBD85451@mac.com>
References: <5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
	<2BEBE6F6-6328-48B3-B399-5EF0DBD85451@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E8414CA20E454576887209479A684DFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

The line I seem to remember was ?time for bed said Florence?.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Mike Giles via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 1:27 PM
To: patheigham 
Cc: Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The French Way

Yes - Eric Thompson was the inimitable voice of Dougal and company, with, as you say, his own stories to suit the pictures. The traditional ending was Zebedee saying ?It?s time for bed? if I remember rightly. 

I recall reading the books to our children at bedtime and being unable to continue for laughing!

Mike G


  On 5 May 2020, at 09:19, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:


  ? 
  Didn?t Eric Thompson read the English commentary for Magic Roundabout, having thrown away the French script and made up his own, after viewing?

  Did he change the names of the characters?

  There is a soundman, who also used to vision control cameras on a freelance multi-camera shoot. His name: Brian Roberts. Tony Bastable nicknamed him ?mollusc?, after the Magic Roundabout snail!

  Pat

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: Mike Giles via Tech1
  Sent: 05 May 2020 08:59
  To: Tech Ops
  Subject: [Tech1] The French Way

   

  I mentioned that I had found  1972?s ?The French Way? on Amazon recently and have just started watching it - I thoroughly recommend it as a complete distraction from our current situation. Eric Thompson?s commentary is absolutely perfect, notes of sarcasm and admiration in equal measure and lots of pauses for thought. It has an almost home movie feel about it, (without the constant shots of yours truly) and I wonder how much of the lifestyle it depicts is still current. It certainly conjured up memories from our early holidays in La Belle France. 

   

  It was just over a fiver from Amazon, which for 200 minutes of reminiscence seems like good value to me. 

   

  Mike G

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 08:54:25 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 14:54:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
In-Reply-To: <E8414CA20E454576887209479A684DFB@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <5eb12173.1c69fb81.43e89.58b0@mx.google.com>
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A clue for parents to encourage the little darlings to ?go to bed?
 I?ve never had children but don?t see the point of ?go to your room? when they?ve been naughty. Surely one needs them to think of their room as a safe place and comforting when it?s ?light?s out? time, not as a punishment.

Pat

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From: David Newbitt
Sent: 05 May 2020 14:44
To: Mike Giles; patheigham
Cc: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The French Way

The line I seem to remember was ?time for bed said Florence?.
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From Waresound at msn.com  Tue May  5 09:18:27 2020
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 14:18:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
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The description was fine, just the tense was wrong.
But as things are at the moment it?s hard to believe anything is in the present tense, never mind the future!

Lots of Magic Roundabout on Youtube. Try ?Dylan plays the Bagpipes?. Zebedee gets the last word in that one. Much more character and charm than the later computer animated ones.
Cheers,
Nick.

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On 5 May 2020, at 14:41, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

?
Perhaps I used the wrong description ? Brian was first class at matching up multi-cameras for picture/colour consistency. Pleased to hear he?s still working.
I was sad when Tony died, but a good example of a reason for not-
smoking.
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 05 May 2020 13:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The French Way

Brian Roberts didn?t ?used to vision control cameras?, but still does. He was affectionately nicknamed mollusc, because Tony Bastable was an impatient type who could never understand why things crews did took so long. Brian, I know would admit that he might not be the fastest, but he can definitely claim to be the most thorough. He has been a reliable helper with me on countless music (and video) jobs for the 40+ years that I?ve known him - and still is.
We worked on numerous Redapple jobs for Tony Bastable (as did Pat), and Tony became more than just a client - a good friend too. Sadly, Tony smoked himself to an early death, as by his own admission he knew he would, aged 62 in 2007.
Cheers,
Nick.
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Tue May  5 09:52:44 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 15:52:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
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With many using Zoom these days and hand gestures, I always remember 'Say
goodbye, Sooty' ;-)

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 10:08:40 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 16:08:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The French Way
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If Harry Corbett appeared on BGT, these days, he would probably get 4 ?X?s !
I do enjoy watching that show ? mostly for the wonderful crap acts, but every now and then, there is one that takes your breath away.

Pat


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With many using Zoom these days and hand gestures, I always remember 'Say
goodbye, Sooty' ;-)



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 14:12:15 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 20:12:15 +0100
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Bit of a laugh!
Pat

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue May  5 14:58:02 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 19:58:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Part Thirteen
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O.K. All,
Here is Chapter Thirteen of "Gothic by Gaslight"
(Well, it's a Horror Story - Obviously it's got to have a Chapter Thirteen!)
In which our heroes have an adventure in Madam Tussauds wax-works - in the Chamber of Horrors (no cliche knowingly omitted in this story!)A Pact is made with dark forces, and the Vampire finally gets his Stake (which will kill him - or will it?)
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue May  5 15:15:58 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 20:15:58 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
Message-ID: <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmail.com>

No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.

Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?

I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue May  5 15:24:49 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 20:24:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Les ecossais rigolent51111.mp4
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Arrrgh, is there anything worn beneath.................no, it's all in perrrrfect worrrrrking orrrrderrrr. Oh, I almost kilt myself laughing,

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From tuckergarth at me.com  Tue May  5 15:29:25 2020
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:29:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Unions
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> Re Dave?s question to Albert as to whether the unions went too far, speaking as a Chairman of TV5 who followed in the giant footsteps of Geoff Feld and John Barlow, I can say TV5 was was not only attempting to stop management taking advantage of its technical operators who were being paid far below their equivalents  in ITV,* we were also preoccupied a lot of the time attempting to maintain the BBC's hard won production values. How far was too far?

> * On one occasion management attempted not to pay us the half hour at the end a scheduled fourteen and a half day because there was an agreement with the Union that we would not work for more than fourteen hours in any one day!

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue May  5 15:37:04 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:37:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Part Thirteen
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Have you been doing the bottle whilst in lockdown Rog?
That was chapter 12 repeated.

Mike

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Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2020 8:58 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] Part Thirteen

O.K. All,

Here is Chapter Thirteen of "Gothic by Gaslight"

(Well, it's a Horror Story - Obviously it's got to have a Chapter Thirteen!)

In which our heroes have an adventure in Madam Tussauds wax-works - in the Chamber of Horrors (no cliche knowingly omitted in this story!)
A Pact is made with dark forces, and the Vampire finally gets his Stake (which will kill him - or will it?)

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 15:52:46 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:52:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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What is FTP?
Where I live ? in a suburban road in Surrey, I believe that there may be optical fibre to the road cabinet, about 30 yards from my block of flats. From then on it?s copper, which was installed about 40 years ago, underground.
Seems to be OK, I get reasonably fast internet and no stuttering of movie downloads.
Virgin installers arrived one day and started digging a trench to one of the flats.
As I was a director of the freeholding company, I asked if they had a wayleave to cross our land. No! (I would have known). They packed up and scarpered.
Our Managing Agents mentioned that they had had problems with Virgin on other sites ? in one case, they dug a trench across a car park, then buggered off for the weekend, leaving it impossible for residents to access their spaces! Sadly, it?s to do with subcontractors, who don?t give a s***.
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Subject: [Tech1] Fibre

No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.

Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?

I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.

TeaTeaFN - Tony


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue May  5 16:06:13 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 22:06:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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Tony - 

I have FtB, and it came with a new modem/router from Plusnet for the house.  The yard is separate and worked fine with my old copper modem/router, it was slightly cheaper and didn't need the greater speed.

That doesn't really answer your question, I know, but I suspect as far as the consumer is concerned it doesn't make much odds, fibre or copper.  I don't think there's a fibre connection to the back of your Tv and other boxes, but I may be wrong.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 5 May 2020, at 21:16, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.
> 
> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
> 
> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May  5 16:34:56 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 22:34:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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I don't know what FTP (file transfer protocol, in my head) or FtB are in 
cable connection terms. I have fibre to the cabinet across the road, for 
lots of years now, first Cabletel, then ntl, now Virgin. The cable 
coming to the house is a double thing, coax for tv and internet and 
twisted pair for the phone.? The broadband started at 256k and can - if 
I paid that much - run at 200Mb now.? For a long time there hasn't been 
anything to touch it, but the Openreach fibre is here now.? We use the 
Virgin tv box and the phone, so I'll stay with what I have for now.? The 
modem is here next to me, and it's just an ordinary modem, with coax input.

At LTFC, a wooden hut at the end of a track, we had old fashioned 
broadband till we upgraded a couple of years ago. We went from 3Mb to 
around 60Mb for the same price, pretty much. We were on BT, but we use 
Plusnet now, easier to get help than with BT - being at the far end of a 
ratty twisted pair under the rutted track does sometimes have its moments.

B


On 05/05/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing 
> all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the 
> domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information 
> about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, 
> Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected 
> by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the 
> masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.
>
> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what 
> form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get 
> separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by 
> installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my 
> eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, 
> but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
>
> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be 
> able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on 
> circumstances.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May  5 16:39:51 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 22:39:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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I get confused (at 77) with all the initials.
But still love the BBC story of the re-organisation of the engineers.
The Regional Supervising Engineer became RSE.
Fine, but appoint his Assistant!

Pat


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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Tue May  5 17:09:59 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 23:09:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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FTP is fibre to premises i.e. = FTB..
There is a firm round here running fibre all over the Cotswolds because
Openreach's FTC is just too slow, the cabinets being too far from the
premises for a lot of villages (two miles or more in some cases).  It has
been part funded locally and part by central government. The firm is called
Gigaclear and you can get 1Gbps if you are lucky enough to fall into that
category which I am not (I get 40mbps on a good day with FTC).
The net result is that some of the remotest villages and farmhouses are on
the fastest broadband. Not that I would need or pay for that speed.
I can't tell you about the modem needed.
Of course there is no Virgin cable or 5g etc out here. In fact we are in a
"notspot" as far as mobile reception concerned. I.e. no reception of any
kind from any network. I have a femtocell for 3G mobile reception at home.
The problem with that is that when there is a power cut, when you need  to
phone the power company or use their app there is no signal.  Of course
I've got an old handset which works ok when plugged in to the landline but
it's question of finding it when floundering around in the dark.
Bill J

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wrote:

> I don't know what FTP (file transfer protocol, in my head) or FtB are in
> cable connection terms. I have fibre to the cabinet across the road, for
> lots of years now, first Cabletel, then ntl, now Virgin. The cable coming
> to the house is a double thing, coax for tv and internet and twisted pair
> for the phone.  The broadband started at 256k and can - if I paid that much
> - run at 200Mb now.  For a long time there hasn't been anything to touch
> it, but the Openreach fibre is here now.  We use the Virgin tv box and the
> phone, so I'll stay with what I have for now.  The modem is here next to
> me, and it's just an ordinary modem, with coax input.
>
> At LTFC, a wooden hut at the end of a track, we had old fashioned
> broadband till we upgraded a couple of years ago. We went from 3Mb to
> around 60Mb for the same price, pretty much. We were on BT, but we use
> Plusnet now, easier to get help than with BT - being at the far end of a
> ratty twisted pair under the rutted track does sometimes have its moments.
>
> B
>
>
> On 05/05/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>
> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all
> around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic
> installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the
> equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19
> allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and
> terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and
> frequencies sold on for other purposes.
>
> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form
> does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate
> decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it,
> when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket.
> Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much
> duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
>
> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able
> to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on
> circumstances.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
>
>
>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed May  6 02:34:54 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 08:34:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May  6 04:23:35 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 10:23:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TWAT
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Useful advice! Cheers, Dave

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed May  6 04:24:53 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 09:24:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Chapter ?
References: <91579636.4075642.1588757093620.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <91579636.4075642.1588757093620@mail.yahoo.com>

I'd like to claim that I was just testing you all, but no - Silly me. I seem to have sent out chapter 12 instead of chapter 13, of 'Gothic by Gaslight'. The good news is that some of you actually noticed!
So here we go again -
O.K. All,
Here is Chapter Thirteen of "Gothic by Gaslight"
(Well, it's a Horror Story - Obviously it's got to have a Chapter Thirteen!)
In which our heroes have an adventure in Madam Tussauds wax-works - in the Chamber of Horrors (no cliche knowingly omitted in this story!)A Pact is made with dark forces, and the Vampire finally gets his Stake (which will kill him - or will it?)
luv, Rog.
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed May  6 05:14:55 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 11:14:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai
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Message-ID: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>

Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
area like that. Never have found out why.

I've had BT FTC since it arrived. Copper distance about 100 yards.
Download speed about 75 Mbps. Seems to run everything I need OK including
TV, but then most of the 'throttling' is done long before your local link
anyway. So not bothered upgrading to FTP.

Being an older installation I have two boxes. One seems to separate the
broadband from phone, with an ordinary router plugged into that. TV simply
runs off the router Wi-Fi. Although my BT Humax PVR (which gives me BT TV)
is cabled to the router.  


In article
<sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai,
   techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.

> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?

> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.

> TeaTeaFN - Tony

> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

-- 
*When the going gets tough, use duct tape

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed May  6 05:50:58 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 11:50:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJmfgjOstVJR+3t6WM1HxJ25uHbHV8K680oDv6WKCmfc7g@mail.gmail.com>

Dave: perhaps not as rare as you think for Londoners to have overhead
telephone cables with telegraph poles in the street. I had that system at
my previous address, and that is the system I have now (both addresses in
Acton, west London).
KW

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 11:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
> ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
> house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
> area like that. Never have found out why.
>
> I've had BT FTC since it arrived. Copper distance about 100 yards.
> Download speed about 75 Mbps. Seems to run everything I need OK including
> TV, but then most of the 'throttling' is done long before your local link
> anyway. So not bothered upgrading to FTP.
>
> Being an older installation I have two boxes. One seems to separate the
> broadband from phone, with an ordinary router plugged into that. TV simply
> runs off the router Wi-Fi. Although my BT Humax PVR (which gives me BT TV)
> is cabled to the router.
>
>
> In article
>
> <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai,
>    techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all
> around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic
> installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the
> equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19
> allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and
> terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and
> frequencies sold on for other purposes.
>
> > Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what
> form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate
> decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it,
> when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket.
> Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much
> duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
>
> > I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be
> able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on
> circumstances.
>
> > TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
> > Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
>
> --
> *When the going gets tough, use duct tape
>
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>
>
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Wed May  6 06:06:15 2020
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 12:06:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed May  6 06:25:04 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 12:25:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai
	<586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4D135BAF-D306-44DA-A1F1-EBE64CFC14BC@me.com>

We're in a rural setting, so telegraph poles and copper cables are the norm here.  The cable feeding our house runs almost parallel with the road.  When we were building our patio, we needed bulk bags of sand delivered and there is no vehicular access to the garden, so I hit upon the idea of cutting the hedge low at one point so that the delivery lorry could stop alongside the garden and then lift them over that bit of hedge straight into where they were wanted.  It worked like a dream.

A subsequent delivery was made by a different company and I expected them to lift the bags over in the same manner, but the first company used a HIAB which clasped the bottom of each bag, while this company had a hook on the HIAB and suspended the bags via the handles.  It needed significantly more headroom than the telephone wire allowed.  The driver insisted that the only option was to offload the bags at the kerbside and I would have to wheelbarrow the contents into place ( about 75 metres, two narrow gates and including a steep uphill gradient for 30 metres or so ).  That idea didn't appeal to me at all, so I popped indoors and brought out my 5 metre boom pole with a gadget I made for lifting cables.  I was able to raise the telephone cable just enough for a delicate bit of crane driving to limbo dance under the cable and then lift over the hedge.

The attachment I made started life as one of those metal hooks that you probably saw in school on the end of a long wooden pole, to open and close high windows.  I bought one in a hardware shop and mounted a 3/8" threaded insert into the bottom.  It is small enough to live unobtrusively in my bag of bits which I take when working and simply screws onto a mic stand or boom pole when needed.  It was invaluable when I did a series of satellite single camera inserts for Grandstand.  We turned up mid morning, had to rig a fibre cable from the satellite truck to the pitchside, do a pre match report and then a post match report.  Rigging the cable was often very slow work because many premiership grounds have cable hooks mounted 3-4 meters high and we normally used a ladder to get up there, put the cable over, relocate to the next hook, climb the ladder again and so on.  There was absolutely no way that it would have been permissible to run the cable at ground level.  With the gadget and a boom pole, we could simply walk along lifting the cable over the hooks as we went.  They were cushy jobs to do because during the match we were not allowed inside the ground, so we left just before the match, found a nearby restaurant and had a leisurely meal before returning for the post match.  Restaurants close to football stadia are hectic before the match, manic after the match, but deserted during the match because everybody is either in the stadium or avoiding the area because a match is on.  Being the only people in the restaurant, we were usually very well looked after.

Alan Taylor



On 6 May 2020, at 6 May . 11:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
> ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
> house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
> area like that. Never have found out why.
> 
> I've had BT FTC since it arrived. Copper distance about 100 yards.
> Download speed about 75 Mbps. Seems to run everything I need OK including
> TV, but then most of the 'throttling' is done long before your local link
> anyway. So not bothered upgrading to FTP.
> 
> Being an older installation I have two boxes. One seems to separate the
> broadband from phone, with an ordinary router plugged into that. TV simply
> runs off the router Wi-Fi. Although my BT Humax PVR (which gives me BT TV)
> is cabled to the router.  
> 
> 
> In article
> <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai,
>   techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.
> 
>> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
> 
>> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.
> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
> 
> -- 
> *When the going gets tough, use duct tape
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From waresound at msn.com  Wed May  6 07:23:47 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 12:23:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai,
	<586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB0340BED3C2E0C5C2AEDBE7C8A7A40@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have a niece who?s entrepreneur husband has a company that runs fibre to streets and individual houses and businesses in areas of London that Openreach can?t be bothered with. He?s obviously doing well, judging by the rock-star-style mansion he?s bought in one of the most upmarket parts of rural Surrey, near Godalming.
We live in a much more modest house in a cul-de-sac that doesn?t have fibre, only a measly copper speed of at best, 15 down and 2.5 up. Where our cul-de-sac joins a more populated avenue nearby, another entrepreneur company, Box Broadband, has run fibre to all the houses in that street, so it?s less than 100metres from us as the cable runs (half that as the crow flies). The snag is, they say they need a minimum of five buyers in our close, and so far out of eighteen houses, only three have shown any interest. We live in hope!
Round the corner from where we lived previously, another such company ran fibres through the water mains to all the houses in an avenue of about 40 posh houses, with a break-out at the gateway to each house. Have a guess what they used to pull the fibres through the pipes! I watched them doing it.
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 6 May 2020, at 11:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
> ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
> house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
> area like that. Never have found out why.
> 
> I've had BT FTC since it arrived. Copper distance about 100 yards.
> Download speed about 75 Mbps. Seems to run everything I need OK including
> TV, but then most of the 'throttling' is done long before your local link
> anyway. So not bothered upgrading to FTP.
> 
> Being an older installation I have two boxes. One seems to separate the
> broadband from phone, with an ordinary router plugged into that. TV simply
> runs off the router Wi-Fi. Although my BT Humax PVR (which gives me BT TV)
> is cabled to the router.  
> 
> 
> In article
> <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai,
>   techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.
> 
>> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
> 
>> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.
> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
> 
> -- 
> *When the going gets tough, use duct tape
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed May  6 07:36:02 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 13:36:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJmfgjOstVJR+3t6WM1HxJ25uHbHV8K680oDv6WKCmfc7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAA=qGJmfgjOstVJR+3t6WM1HxJ25uHbHV8K680oDv6WKCmfc7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <586c65d9d1dave@davesound.co.uk>

Sorry, Keith. Should have said this part of London. It's largely
Victorian, and I can see why, not having been built with such services in
mind, poles would be the easy way. But why only this street out of so many
built roughly at the same time, I've no idea.     


In article
<CAA=qGJmfgjOstVJR+3t6WM1HxJ25uHbHV8K680oDv6WKCmfc7g at mail.gmail.com>,
   Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dave: perhaps not as rare as you think for Londoners to have overhead
> telephone cables with telegraph poles in the street. I had that system at
> my previous address, and that is the system I have now (both addresses in
> Acton, west London).
> KW

> On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 11:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:

> > Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
> > ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
> > house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
> > area like that. Never have found out why.

-- 
*Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines *

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From relong at btinternet.com  Wed May  6 08:59:22 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 14:59:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4ANykRnsHm=XMcrhjaNZQqZ8q936V6w5EbhQPOHFcgxcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmail.com>
	<4c22d7bd-9a75-f8b4-9f2e-09f2821f3782@gmail.com>
	<CAE6tP4ANykRnsHm=XMcrhjaNZQqZ8q936V6w5EbhQPOHFcgxcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BBAEFF6-8FF0-47B8-8062-134FB7FA2435@btinternet.com>

I have FTTP with Gigaclear
50 quids pm for 300 Mbits and mesh Linksys wifi.
Its excellent, and our Cotswold Hamlet of 25 houses is v remote.
Previously it was BT copper/aluminium to the house @ 2 Mb and 45 quid?
Linksys Mesh gives wifi in every room and a little bit of garden.
This with a smart Panny 65" OLED tele gives excellent service.
Roger

> On 5 May 2020, at 23:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> FTP is fibre to premises i.e. = FTB.. 
> There is a firm round here running fibre all over the Cotswolds because Openreach's FTC is just too slow, the cabinets being too far from the premises for a lot of villages (two miles or more in some cases).  It has been part funded locally and part by central government. The firm is called Gigaclear and you can get 1Gbps if you are lucky enough to fall into that category which I am not (I get 40mbps on a good day with FTC).
> The net result is that some of the remotest villages and farmhouses are on the fastest broadband. Not that I would need or pay for that speed.
> I can't tell you about the modem needed.
> Of course there is no Virgin cable or 5g etc out here. In fact we are in a "notspot" as far as mobile reception concerned. I.e. no reception of any kind from any network. I have a femtocell for 3G mobile reception at home. The problem with that is that when there is a power cut, when you need  to phone the power company or use their app there is no signal.  Of course I've got an old handset which works ok when plugged in to the landline but it's question of finding it when floundering around in the dark.
> Bill J
> 
> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 22:35 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> I don't know what FTP (file transfer protocol, in my head) or FtB are in cable connection terms. I have fibre to the cabinet across the road, for lots of years now, first Cabletel, then ntl, now Virgin. The cable coming to the house is a double thing, coax for tv and internet and twisted pair for the phone.  The broadband started at 256k and can - if I paid that much - run at 200Mb now.  For a long time there hasn't been anything to touch it, but the Openreach fibre is here now.  We use the Virgin tv box and the phone, so I'll stay       with what I have for now.  The modem is here next to me, and it's just an ordinary modem, with coax input.
> 
> At LTFC, a wooden hut at the end of a track, we had old fashioned broadband till we upgraded a couple of years ago. We went from 3Mb to around 60Mb for the same price, pretty much. We were on BT, but we use Plusnet now, easier to get help than with BT - being at the far end of a ratty twisted pair under the rutted track does sometimes have its moments.
> 
> B
>  
> 
> On 05/05/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.
>> 
>> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
>> 
>> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> 
>> 
>> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May  6 10:05:15 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:05:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre pull-throughs
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Outside Buck House the cables to the QVM were installed in pipes under 
the road by using a ferret to pull a rope through and then the riggers 
could pull the heavier stuff through. New phone cables round my area 
were blown through using compressed air and a 'bung' attached to the 
ends. Cheers, Dave

On 06/05/2020 13:23, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I have a niece who?s entrepreneur husband has a company that runs fibre to streets and individual houses and businesses in areas of London that Openreach can?t be bothered with. He?s obviously doing well, judging by the rock-star-style mansion he?s bought in one of the most upmarket parts of rural Surrey, near Godalming.
> We live in a much more modest house in a cul-de-sac that doesn?t have fibre, only a measly copper speed of at best, 15 down and 2.5 up. Where our cul-de-sac joins a more populated avenue nearby, another entrepreneur company, Box Broadband, has run fibre to all the houses in that street, so it?s less than 100metres from us as the cable runs (half that as the crow flies). The snag is, they say they need a minimum of five buyers in our close, and so far out of eighteen houses, only three have shown any interest. We live in hope!
> Round the corner from where we lived previously, another such company ran fibres through the water mains to all the houses in an avenue of about 40 posh houses, with a break-out at the gateway to each house. Have a guess what they used to pull the fibres through the pipes! I watched them doing it.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 6 May 2020, at 11:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
>> ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
>> house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
>> area like that. Never have found out why.
>>
>> I've had BT FTC since it arrived. Copper distance about 100 yards.
>> Download speed about 75 Mbps. Seems to run everything I need OK including
>> TV, but then most of the 'throttling' is done long before your local link
>> anyway. So not bothered upgrading to FTP.
>>
>> Being an older installation I have two boxes. One seems to separate the
>> broadband from phone, with an ordinary router plugged into that. TV simply
>> runs off the router Wi-Fi. Although my BT Humax PVR (which gives me BT TV)
>> is cabled to the router.
>>
>>
>> In article
>> <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai,
>>    techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.
>>> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
>>> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
>> -- 
>> *When the going gets tough, use duct tape
>>
>>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>>
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May  6 10:09:42 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:09:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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My local area landlines were originally installed using aluminium cable 
- to save money when copper became expensive. The problem was that they 
had to remake all the joints every 3 years! Not much money saved after 
all! Cheers, Dave

On 06/05/2020 14:59, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote:
> I have FTTP with Gigaclear
> 50 quids pm for 300 Mbits and mesh Linksys wifi.
> Its excellent, and our Cotswold Hamlet of 25 houses is v remote.
> Previously it was BT copper/aluminium to the house @ 2 Mb and 45 quid?
> Linksys Mesh gives wifi in every room and a little bit of garden.
> This with a smart Panny 65" OLED tele gives excellent service.
> Roger
>
>> On 5 May 2020, at 23:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> FTP is fibre to premises i.e. = FTB..
>> There is a firm round here running fibre all over the Cotswolds 
>> because Openreach's FTC is just too slow, the cabinets being too far 
>> from the premises for a lot of villages (two miles or more in some 
>> cases).? It has been part funded locally and part by central 
>> government. The firm is called Gigaclear and you can get 1Gbps if you 
>> are lucky enough to fall into that category which I am not (I get 
>> 40mbps on a good day with FTC).
>> The net result is that some of the remotest villages and farmhouses 
>> are on the fastest broadband. Not that I would need or pay for that 
>> speed.
>> I can't tell you about the modem needed.
>> Of course there is no Virgin cable or 5g etc out here. In fact we are 
>> in a "notspot" as far as mobile reception concerned. I.e. no 
>> reception of any kind from any network. I have a femtocell for 3G 
>> mobile reception at home. The problem with that is that when there is 
>> a power cut, when you need? to phone the power company or use their 
>> app there is no signal.? Of course I've got an old handset which 
>> works ok when plugged in to the landline but it's question of finding 
>> it when floundering around in the dark.
>> Bill J
>>
>> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 22:35 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     I don't know what FTP (file transfer protocol, in my head) or FtB
>>     are in cable connection terms. I have fibre to the cabinet across
>>     the road, for lots of years now, first Cabletel, then ntl, now
>>     Virgin. The cable coming to the house is a double thing, coax for
>>     tv and internet and twisted pair for the phone.? The broadband
>>     started at 256k and can - if I paid that much - run at 200Mb
>>     now.? For a long time there hasn't been anything to touch it, but
>>     the Openreach fibre is here now.? We use the Virgin tv box and
>>     the phone, so I'll stay with what I have for now.? The modem is
>>     here next to me, and it's just an ordinary modem, with coax input.
>>
>>     At LTFC, a wooden hut at the end of a track, we had old fashioned
>>     broadband till we upgraded a couple of years ago. We went from
>>     3Mb to around 60Mb for the same price, pretty much. We were on
>>     BT, but we use Plusnet now, easier to get help than with BT -
>>     being at the far end of a ratty twisted pair under the rutted
>>     track does sometimes have its moments.
>>
>>     B
>>
>>
>>     On 05/05/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>     No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been
>>>     stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up
>>>     don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any
>>>     reliable information about the equipment and connections in your
>>>     house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so
>>>     years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial
>>>     transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies
>>>     sold on for other purposes.
>>>
>>>     Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have,
>>>     what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do
>>>     you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm
>>>     concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that
>>>     I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the
>>>     alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much
>>>     duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
>>>
>>>     I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types
>>>     may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your
>>>     switched on circumstances.
>>>
>>>     TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>     Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>>>
>>>
>>
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed May  6 10:48:05 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:48:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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At one time Aluminum was heralded as the way to go. BT soon found that, as Dave says, it was very brittle and the outside soon got corroded so special oil filled jointing sleeves had to be fitted to keep air out..
Some of the BBC permanent lines ? Windsor Castle for example ? were in AL. There had to be a sealed waterproof join a few feet away from the terminal block to convert back to CU to go to the BT17(in those days). 

Going back to Dave?s earlier comment about the QVM, I had to go down under a few times and it was absolutely amazing down there. A corridor all the way around with the ducts to Canada Gate scanner position and across to the front yard of Buck House.

From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 4:09 PM
To: Roger E Long ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre

My local area landlines were originally installed using aluminium cable - to save money when copper became expensive. The problem was that they had to remake all the joints every 3 years! Not much money saved after all! Cheers, Dave

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed May  6 10:51:41 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 16:51:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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Hi Dave,
	Overhead phone cables not as rare as you think in London. Nearly all the streets here in ?sunny? Ruislip are overhead. Candlestick phones an option methinks!
Barry.



On 6 May 2020, at 11:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
> ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
> house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
> area like that. Never have found out why.
> 
> I've had BT FTC since it arrived. Copper distance about 100 yards.
> Download speed about 75 Mbps. Seems to run everything I need OK including
> TV, but then most of the 'throttling' is done long before your local link
> anyway. So not bothered upgrading to FTP.
> 
> Being an older installation I have two boxes. One seems to separate the
> broadband from phone, with an ordinary router plugged into that. TV simply
> runs off the router Wi-Fi. Although my BT Humax PVR (which gives me BT TV)
> is cabled to the router.  
> 
> 
> In article
> <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmai,
>   techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any reliable information about the equipment and connections in your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5 or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and frequencies sold on for other purposes.
> 
>> Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv? I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available, that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
> 
>> I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your switched on circumstances.
> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
> 
> -- 
> *When the going gets tough, use duct tape
> 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May  6 11:04:10 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 17:04:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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A few years ago I found a huge contractors lorry outside next door. When 
I went to look, they had taken up a large manhole cover to reveal a room 
below with lots of cables.? They disconnected and pulled out some big 
fat cables, maybe three inches across, and rolled them on to the lorry. 
I asked when they had been put there - "1943". A lot of copper in those 
cables, replaced by a hair of fibre.

B



On 06/05/2020 16:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> My local area landlines were originally installed using aluminium 
> cable - to save money when copper became expensive. The problem was 
> that they had to remake all the joints every 3 years! Not much money 
> saved after all! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 06/05/2020 14:59, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote:
>> I have FTTP with Gigaclear
>> 50 quids pm for 300 Mbits and mesh Linksys wifi.
>> Its excellent, and our Cotswold Hamlet of 25 houses is v remote.
>> Previously it was BT copper/aluminium to the house @ 2 Mb and 45 quid?
>> Linksys Mesh gives wifi in every room and a little bit of garden.
>> This with a smart Panny 65" OLED tele gives excellent service.
>> Roger
>>
>>> On 5 May 2020, at 23:09, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> FTP is fibre to premises i.e. = FTB..
>>> There is a firm round here running fibre all over the Cotswolds 
>>> because Openreach's FTC is just too slow, the cabinets being too far 
>>> from the premises for a lot of villages (two miles or more in some 
>>> cases).? It has been part funded locally and part by central 
>>> government. The firm is called Gigaclear and you can get 1Gbps if 
>>> you are lucky enough to fall into that category which I am not (I 
>>> get 40mbps on a good day with FTC).
>>> The net result is that some of the remotest villages and farmhouses 
>>> are on the fastest broadband. Not that I would need or pay for that 
>>> speed.
>>> I can't tell you about the modem needed.
>>> Of course there is no Virgin cable or 5g etc out here. In fact we 
>>> are in a "notspot" as far as mobile reception concerned. I.e. no 
>>> reception of any kind from any network. I have a femtocell for 3G 
>>> mobile reception at home. The problem with that is that when there 
>>> is a power cut, when you need? to phone the power company or use 
>>> their app there is no signal.? Of course I've got an old handset 
>>> which works ok when plugged in to the landline but it's question of 
>>> finding it when floundering around in the dark.
>>> Bill J
>>>
>>> On Tue, 5 May 2020, 22:35 Bernard Newnham via Tech1, 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I don't know what FTP (file transfer protocol, in my head) or
>>>     FtB are in cable connection terms. I have fibre to the cabinet
>>>     across the road, for lots of years now, first Cabletel, then
>>>     ntl, now Virgin. The cable coming to the house is a double
>>>     thing, coax for tv and internet and twisted pair for the phone.
>>>     The broadband started at 256k and can - if I paid that much -
>>>     run at 200Mb now.? For a long time there hasn't been anything to
>>>     touch it, but the Openreach fibre is here now.? We use the
>>>     Virgin tv box and the phone, so I'll stay with what I have for
>>>     now.? The modem is here next to me, and it's just an ordinary
>>>     modem, with coax input.
>>>
>>>     At LTFC, a wooden hut at the end of a track, we had old
>>>     fashioned broadband till we upgraded a couple of years ago. We
>>>     went from 3Mb to around 60Mb for the same price, pretty much. We
>>>     were on BT, but we use Plusnet now, easier to get help than with
>>>     BT - being at the far end of a ratty twisted pair under the
>>>     rutted track does sometimes have its moments.
>>>
>>>     B
>>>
>>>
>>>     On 05/05/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>     No, not All-bran, it's that cable that Openreach have been
>>>>     stringing all around here. The engineers who're putting it up
>>>>     don't do the domestic installations, and so don't have any
>>>>     reliable information about the equipment and connections in
>>>>     your house. Now, I think that, Covid 19 allowing, in the next 5
>>>>     or so years, we'll all be connected by FTP, and terrestrial
>>>>     transmitters will be switched off, and the masts and
>>>>     frequencies sold on for other purposes.
>>>>
>>>>     Therefore my query is, have any of you got FTP? And if you
>>>>     have, what form does the domestic equivalent of the router
>>>>     take? Do you get separate decoding for internet, phone, and tv?
>>>>     I'm concerned that by installing it, when it becomes available,
>>>>     that I may be putting all my eggs in one basket. Of course, the
>>>>     alternative service may well be 5G, but if so, how much
>>>>     duplication would that entail, and what of cost?
>>>>
>>>>     I'm hoping some of you high-living, urbane, metropolitan types
>>>>     may be able to give me a few pointers from the benefit of your
>>>>     switched on circumstances.
>>>>
>>>>     TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed May  6 11:58:41 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 17:58:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <93ec5231-ebb3-9855-896a-14e1e24f5e94@gmail.com>
References: <sgjEJEzhnpXAc5gFci3UKCoRuvrOHmJ53iLKFRu8wzHd28_uVDzPK52KG4nJ-SkMoN53DlCmAsIpoIkOtZOkxZl-8KO9bKx_WwNPUlc6qEA=@protonmail.com><4c22d7bd-9a75-f8b4-9f2e-09f2821f3782@gmail.com><CAE6tP4ANykRnsHm=XMcrhjaNZQqZ8q936V6w5EbhQPOHFcgxcg@mail.gmail.com><3BBAEFF6-8FF0-47B8-8062-134FB7FA2435@btinternet.com><4aeba124-cb57-42ca-0763-87591c3d367e@btinternet.com>
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The new smaller fibre cables were still getting cut and stolen. Now BT wrap the ends before a joint and the black casing has a yellow line along it to warn thieves that it isn?t worth the fuss of cutting and stealing them as they are NOT copper and hence almost worthless. Theft/damage to these does of course disconnect a huge number of customers in one go and mending is more difficult. The fibre cables do however have separately spaced groups of cores to make identification easier when installing. They follow the old familiar code of Blue/orange/green/blue that we all remember although the original mnemonic is now banned as racist!
Back in the old days, co-ax cables had the yellow tape at the ends to also differentiate from multicore cables which contained more copper per square inch.
Many years ago, I went to Kingswood to be shown the very first video on fibre equipment worked on by RD.

Mike

(an old BBC lines dept bloke if you hadn?t realised!!)

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 5:04 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre

A few years ago I found a huge contractors lorry outside next door. When I went to look, they had taken up a large manhole cover to reveal a room below with lots of cables.  They disconnected and pulled out some big fat cables, maybe three inches across, and rolled them on to the lorry. I asked when they had been put there - "1943". A lot of copper in those cables, replaced by a hair of fibre.

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Wed May  6 14:28:16 2020
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 19:28:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] have you seen this? On Ebay.....
References: <1239548366.451192.1588793296003.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1239548366.451192.1588793296003@mail.yahoo.com>

? this is interesting, did anyone on here work on this?Wednesday Play; 'Rest In Peace, Uncle Fred'
1969 BBC WEDNESDAY PLAY "REST IN PEACE,UNCLE FRED" REHEARSAL SCRIPT PAGES | eBay

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Wed May  6 14:30:27 2020
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 19:30:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] ...and from the same seller...
References: <484451189.594953.1588793427816.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <484451189.594953.1588793427816@mail.yahoo.com>

?10 x c1970s ORIGINAL PHOTO SLIDES,ENVELOPE.ENCHANTED FOREST.BBC SET,CAST,CAMERA. | eBay

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed May  6 14:41:10 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2020 20:41:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <7DCDA30F4F764D8AAB7E57F2F3376498@Gigabyte>
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed May  6 15:39:39 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 20:39:39 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <5ufbcqmpn68a9aei7a9jqqpf.1588794070228@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <7DCDA30F4F764D8AAB7E57F2F3376498@Gigabyte>,
	<5ufbcqmpn68a9aei7a9jqqpf.1588794070228@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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On a corporate in-house BT video I was once working on, we filmed in the Guildford telephone exchange. Guildford was a big installation, the ?node? for the whole South of England. There were several floors of obsolete and redundant exchange equipment, probably several hundred tons of it, all left there unused, the whole lot replaced by one 19? rack of modern computer-based equipment. They told us it would cost more to remove and recycle the copper and lead sheathed cabling than to leave it there. So, despite being a big building bang in the middle of a major town centre, it was left there. And that?s before you even look at what?s underground.
Hopefully, in these recycling-conscious days, they?ve re-thought that policy.
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 6 May 2020, at 20:41, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I wonder how much the copper was used on the LOCO , LBH to TVC  & LBH to GPO tower circuits, LBH Swain Lane coax s , LBH to regions and transmitters etc.

And what the value of that that is still buried in the ground?

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 6 May 2020 17:59
To: bernie833 at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: mikej at bmanor.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre

The new smaller fibre cables were still getting cut and stolen. Now BT wrap the ends before a joint and the black casing has a yellow line along it to warn thieves that it isn?t worth the fuss of cutting and stealing them as they are NOT copper and hence almost worthless. Theft/damage to these does of course disconnect a huge number of customers in one go and mending is more difficult. The fibre cables do however have separately spaced groups of cores to make identification easier when installing. They follow the old familiar code of Blue/orange/green/blue that we all remember although the original mnemonic is now banned as racist!
Back in the old days, co-ax cables had the yellow tape at the ends to also differentiate from multicore cables which contained more copper per square inch.
Many years ago, I went to Kingswood to be shown the very first video on fibre equipment worked on by RD.

Mike

(an old BBC lines dept bloke if you hadn?t realised!!)

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 5:04 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre

A few years ago I found a huge contractors lorry outside next door. When I went to look, they had taken up a large manhole cover to reveal a room below with lots of cables.  They disconnected and pulled out some big fat cables, maybe three inches across, and rolled them on to the lorry. I asked when they had been put there - "1943". A lot of copper in those cables, replaced by a hair of fibre.

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed May  6 15:54:27 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 21:54:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <5ufbcqmpn68a9aei7a9jqqpf.1588794070228@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <5ufbcqmpn68a9aei7a9jqqpf.1588794070228@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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I think quite a lot was taken up although Swains Lane was like this just last year!

1? tubes to and from AP/BH and 3/8? on same route!

I was the sort of EiC LOCO for some time and wrote the famous ?Around London by tube? handout and kept eye on all the many termination sites. All gone now and fibre everywhere.

The Science Museum has a display of old cables in their TV gallery from the Balanced Pair (heavyweight copper) right down to fibres but got me to describe the first AP to BH cable put in for the start of television.

Mike

From: Paul Thackray 
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 8:41 PM
To: Mike Jordan ; Bernard Newnham ; Tech 1 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May  7 03:56:53 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 08:56:53 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <586c65d9d1dave@davesound.co.uk>
References: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAA=qGJmfgjOstVJR+3t6WM1HxJ25uHbHV8K680oDv6WKCmfc7g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<586c65d9d1dave@davesound.co.uk>
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There must still be a demand for telegraph poles. They are cultivated and managed in abundance here in the Surrey Hills. This is Blackheath, BTW, Farley Heath the same. Cheers, Nick.
[cid:799C11B2-5268-466B-8922-9C25D4A11E0C]
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 6 May 2020, at 13:45, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Sorry, Keith. Should have said this part of London. It's largely
Victorian, and I can see why, not having been built with such services in
mind, poles would be the easy way. But why only this street out of so many
built roughly at the same time, I've no idea.


In article
<CAA=qGJmfgjOstVJR+3t6WM1HxJ25uHbHV8K680oDv6WKCmfc7g at mail.gmail.com>,
  Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
Dave: perhaps not as rare as you think for Londoners to have overhead
telephone cables with telegraph poles in the street. I had that system at
my previous address, and that is the system I have now (both addresses in
Acton, west London).
KW

On Wed, 6 May 2020 at 11:22, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

Oddly saw engineers round here adding fibre down the street into existing
ducts. We are very rare in London in that the telephone cables to each
house are overhead, with telegraph poles in the street. Only street in the
area like that. Never have found out why.

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   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12


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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu May  7 04:08:29 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2020 10:08:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu May  7 04:18:55 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 10:18:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk - Wednesday
Message-ID: <cc21ed1d-65a5-4ba3-6f6a-834014c66202@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Wednesday, and again we looked after Lucy's dog, Chester.? For his walk, 
we slightly stretched the travel time to go Coombe Gibbet (Inkpen 
Beacon)..?Coombe Gibbet is at the top of Gallows Down.? The double 
gibbet was erected in 1676 for the purpose of gibbeting the bodies of 
George Broomham and Dorothy Newman and has only ever been used for them 
(the current version is a replica). The gibbet was placed in such a 
prominent location as a warning, to deter others from committing crimes. 
Walbury Hill (the highest point in South East England) is just a little 
further to the east.


Coombe Gibbet:



Looking North over the Kennet Valley:? Hungerford is to the West and 
Newbury to the East.? Beyond the fields in the middle distance is the 
River Kennet, Kennet Navigation (The Kennet and Avon Canal), the Holy 
Brook, the GWR main line to the West, the A4 Bath Road and the M4 
motorway.? There is actually a complete 180 degree view to the North.



Looking South towards Winchester:



... and of course, here is Chester:



(sorry for the framing (one handed use of digital SLR ))



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Alec

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu May  7 04:22:58 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 10:22:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035117881BE787DD87D30676A7A50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <586c58ee45dave@davesound.co.uk>
	<CAA=qGJmfgjOstVJR+3t6WM1HxJ25uHbHV8K680oDv6WKCmfc7g@mail.gmail.com>,
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Any schoolboy can tell you that they're not making telegraph poles any longer.

They're long enough already


Alan Taylor


On 7 May 2020, at 7 May . 09:56, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> There must still be a demand for telegraph poles. They are cultivated and managed in abundance here in the Surrey Hills. This is Blackheath, BTW, Farley Heath the same. Cheers, Nick.



From waresound at msn.com  Thu May  7 04:39:01 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 09:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <on05tdovpkuaevd2rapttacv.1588842509610@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <373134A82E704CA19D38FE1E0069FBA5@Gigabyte>,
	<on05tdovpkuaevd2rapttacv.1588842509610@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03512E9327554EADDEFF9F8DA7A50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Ditto, Baynard House, that hideous Brutalist concrete monstrosity in Queen Victoria Street. When I last saw it, it was full of (wider than 19?) racks of old mechanical Ledex uniselectors, and DC power distribution by what looked like overhead copper railway lines. And because it was the City exchange, it had two huge standby generators with marine engines each the size of a double decker bus. One as standby, and the other as standby for the standby, I remember being told! That?s what it took in them-thar old days.
We used to do BT corporate client-schmoozing events up the tower in what was the revolving restaurant. Fascinating building. Sadly, they cut back on using freelances, so that all came to an abrupt end not that long ago.
I?ve always had the feeling that, just like the BBC, there are hidden depths to BT that the general public have no idea about.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 7 May 2020, at 10:09, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I spent a few weeks in 2013 working in the BT Tower (I was very busy , so did not get much tour time unfortunatly) I was surprised to find large parts of the building with very old kit etc, which was not being removed as no one was sure what else (in use) might pass through those areas.

Much of it look like it had not been touched since the 60s.

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

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From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk
Sent: 6 May 2020 21:54
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; bernie833 at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre

I think quite a lot was taken up although Swains Lane was like this just last year!

1? tubes to and from AP/BH and 3/8? on same route!

I was the sort of EiC LOCO for some time and wrote the famous ?Around London by tube? handout and kept eye on all the many termination sites. All gone now and fibre everywhere.

The Science Museum has a display of old cables in their TV gallery from the Balanced Pair (heavyweight copper) right down to fibres but got me to describe the first AP to BH cable put in for the start of television.

Mike

From: Paul Thackray<mailto:paul at pgtmedia.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2020 8:41 PM
To: Mike Jordan<mailto:mikej at bmanor.co.uk> ; Bernard Newnham<mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com> ; Tech 1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May  7 04:43:37 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 10:43:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Facebook pics
Message-ID: <55742ca1-6acd-53fa-8a59-c059a3149e25@gmail.com>

A lady has posted a huge number of Getty Images pictures on Facebook.? 
Here's one -

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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May  7 04:47:12 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 09:47:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Walk - Wednesday
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351007F2001406DE108ABD1A7A50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

What?s wrong with Chester?s framing? You?ve got his head in lower third, with looking room to the right, and retained the distance and horizon to put him in context. I like it like that!
Cheers,
Nick.
PS, now I?m going to go and try to find something useful to do!

Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 7 May 2020, at 10:19, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Hi all,

Wednesday, and again we looked after Lucy's dog, Chester.  For his walk, we slightly stretched the travel time to go Coombe Gibbet (Inkpen Beacon).. Coombe Gibbet is at the top of Gallows Down.  The double gibbet was erected in 1676 for the purpose of gibbeting the bodies of George Broomham and Dorothy Newman and has only ever been used for them (the current version is a replica). The gibbet was placed in such a prominent location as a warning, to deter others from committing crimes. Walbury Hill (the highest point in South East England) is just a little further to the east.


Coombe Gibbet:

[cid:part1.49FB3A35.9CB1BE1D at gmail.com]



Looking North over the Kennet Valley:  Hungerford is to the West and Newbury to the East.  Beyond the fields in the middle distance is the River Kennet, Kennet Navigation (The Kennet and Avon Canal), the Holy Brook, the GWR main line to the West, the A4 Bath Road and the M4 motorway.  There is actually a complete 180 degree view to the North.


[cid:part2.DF25AF10.DD5D9A4C at gmail.com]


Looking South towards Winchester:

[cid:part3.958F8137.E793A999 at gmail.com]



... and of course, here is Chester:


[cid:part4.9AB93AC0.F4AADFB1 at gmail.com]


(sorry for the framing (one handed use of digital SLR ))



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May  7 06:26:22 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 12:26:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
In-Reply-To: <on05tdovpkuaevd2rapttacv.1588842509610@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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The Post Office Tower (BT, now?) was designed by a civil engineer friend of my parents, part of the pub drinking set in their local.
We were all anxious to watch Hugh being interviewed at the topping out ceremony, but the interviewer was useless. Turning to our friend he asked: ? Mr. Adams, what was your job?? Hugh said, modestly: ?To make it stand up!? Instead of following up with a ?how did you achieve this? question, he moved on. Such a shame as the tower is balanced on a pivot, with equally stressed cables pulling in every direction.
Hugh was amused when the IRA attempted to blow it up, placing their charge against the outside walls. These are not load-bearing, being hung off the above floor cantilevered joists ? all the weight is taken by the central column. (Think The Goodies had a better result with their Kitten!)
Best
Pat


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From: Paul Thackray via Tech1
Sent: 07 May 2020 10:08
To: Mike Jordan; Bernard Newnham; Tech 1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre

I spent a few weeks in 2013 working in the BT Tower (I was very busy , so did not get much tour time unfortunately
Paul Thackray





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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu May  7 07:07:07 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:07:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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Not strictly on a pivot but ?floating? on a platform just below ground level and tied in by the ring around the third floor so that wind does not make it bend/fall over but it twists around the 3rd floor pivot so there was also less movement of the SHF aerials.
The original horn aerials were actually listed but when they came for an overhaul, they were in such a bad state that they might have fallen off at any time..
I remember visiting it on a day out from school just as it opened then visited the Post Office OB group room several times.
Nearly all redundant ? except for a few phone aerials ? as everything on fibres. (even the ACO/TOW cable to TC gone now!)

The rotating restaurant made a good site for Noel Edmonds at Christmas.


Mike
(Ex Switching Centre nerd)

From: patheigham 
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2020 12:26 PM
To: Paul Thackray ; Mike Jordan ; Bernard Newnham ; Tech 1 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Fibre

The Post Office Tower (BT, now?) was designed by a civil engineer friend of my parents, part of the pub drinking set in their local.


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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu May  7 07:17:58 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 13:17:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fibre
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I did a series of corporate shoots for BT which involved going from town to town doing interviews in telephone exchanges and associated buildings.  This was in the days long before sat nav, so finding some of these buildings could be problematical as the address given was sometimes vague and most camera cars only carried A-Z maps covering London, seldom carrying street maps for other towns.

We were travelling between two such buildings in the Midlands and were giving a lift to a member of BT staff in our camera car.  When we arrived in the town we had to find the BT building.  I suggested that we head for a high bit of ground, scan the skyline and look for the ugliest prominent building because that was most likely to be the BT building.  Our passenger was not amused and pointed out that his father was an architect for BT in the 1960s. I was suitably embarrassed.

We ended up finding the building by asking a passer by.  He told us to "go a mile or so along the road and the BT building is on the left.  You can't miss it, it's a monstrosity of a building".

When we got there, the BT guy turned to me and said "I hate to admit it, but you do have a point.  I hope this one wasn't one of Dad's".

Alan Taylor




On 7 May 2020, at 7 May . 12:26, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> The Post Office Tower (BT, now?) was designed by a civil engineer friend of my parents, part of the pub drinking set in their local.
> We were all anxious to watch Hugh being interviewed at the topping out ceremony, but the interviewer was useless. Turning to our friend he asked: ? Mr. Adams, what was your job?? Hugh said, modestly: ?To make it stand up!? Instead of following up with a ?how did you achieve this? question, he moved on. Such a shame as the tower is balanced on a pivot, with equally stressed cables pulling in every direction.
> Hugh was amused when the IRA attempted to blow it up, placing their charge against the outside walls. These are not load-bearing, being hung off the above floor cantilevered joists ? all the weight is taken by the central column. (Think The Goodies had a better result with their Kitten!)
> Best
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Paul Thackray via Tech1
> Sent: 07 May 2020 10:08
> To: Mike Jordan; Bernard Newnham; Tech 1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fibre
>  
> I spent a few weeks in 2013 working in the BT Tower (I was very busy , so did not get much tour time unfortunately
> Paul Thackray
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> 
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Fri May  8 04:56:04 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 09:56:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] For those of you who've got Zoom up and running
Message-ID: <-nq1G-JCbzXytTm6vijMySyiSNI32x7RDlh9_yitZ6n3_vkvP31oXaEa9Qs8JBmkYR8WUI7qdR8OhdIuSuHOX1JUuWpi1LMWlLIMk5ZbaO8=@protonmail.com>

This link has just appeared on the GTC forum:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/empty_sets_collection/zfvy382

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May  8 13:36:37 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 18:36:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Gothic the 14th
References: <136693475.695937.1588962997130.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <136693475.695937.1588962997130@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear All,
Please find attached Chapter 14 of 'Gothic by Gaslight' (If I've done it right this time!)
?In which the Alchemical Secret of Life is finally revealed!And Galvanic Electricity is used to resuscitate a long-dead corpse. But can you guess whose corpse it will be?
luv, Rog
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri May  8 15:34:01 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2020 21:34:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VE day Concert
Message-ID: <mailman.1.1588970058.970330.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>

Just watched the VE Day programme on BBC1. Anyone know who was responsible? We thought it was excellent: just the right amount of music & history, beautifully put together. No credits though. Reduced to tears at the end!JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May  8 16:15:46 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 21:15:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VE day Concert
In-Reply-To: <160a4f63-3bed-4f69-8c26-39f8e95fe273@AM5EUR03FT047.eop-EUR03.prod.protection.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035180770ED8ECBE83CE9285A7A20@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Agreed. Beeb at its best, a best that only the Beeb can do........(or are we biased? I don?t think so).
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 May 2020, at 21:34, jpn via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Just watched the VE Day programme on BBC1. Anyone know who was responsible? We thought it was excellent: just the right amount of music & history, beautifully put together. No credits though. Reduced to tears at the end!

John



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat May  9 06:17:33 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 12:17:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VE day Concert
In-Reply-To: <5eb5c24d.1c69fb81.50a61.96ffSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <5eb5c24d.1c69fb81.50a61.96ffSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5eb6914d.1c69fb81.6feaa.9989@mx.google.com>

Me too, John, and again watching off I-Player.
The ?We?ll Meet Again? montage was cleverly conceived and synced so well.
Pat

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From: jpn via Tech1
Sent: 08 May 2020 21:34
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] VE day Concert

Just watched the VE Day programme on BBC1. just the right amount of music & history, beautifully put together. No credits though. Reduced to tears at the end!

John



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat May  9 06:43:35 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 12:43:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
Message-ID: <a411196d-a272-3adb-05b1-f0873f3ac775@gmail.com>

I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm

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From waresound at msn.com  Sat May  9 13:22:05 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:22:05 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Walk - Wednesday
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351DAAA7222323F94738F71A7A30@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Just back from our walk in the woods. There?s still a carpet of Bluebells, though they are starting to fade and give way now to green Bracken.
The only snag is, we?re supposed to be in Menorca from today, but obviously couldn?t go. So here?s a glimpse of how, when we?re there, before walking to our favourite restaurant, we like to sit, Rioja in hand, watching the sun set over Fornels bay.
Being in lockdown hurts even more when you?ve got somewhere like that you could be.
?,
Nick.
[cid:E113DBC4-F950-4B53-A69F-D68D8359C82C]
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 7 May 2020, at 10:19, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Hi all,

Wednesday, and again we looked after Lucy's dog, Chester.  For his walk, we slightly stretched the travel time to go Coombe Gibbet (Inkpen Beacon).. Coombe Gibbet is at the top of Gallows Down.  The double gibbet was erected in 1676 for the purpose of gibbeting the bodies of George Broomham and Dorothy Newman and has only ever been used for them (the current version is a replica). The gibbet was placed in such a prominent location as a warning, to deter others from committing crimes. Walbury Hill (the highest point in South East England) is just a little further to the east.


Coombe Gibbet:

[cid:part1.49FB3A35.9CB1BE1D at gmail.com]



Looking North over the Kennet Valley:  Hungerford is to the West and Newbury to the East.  Beyond the fields in the middle distance is the River Kennet, Kennet Navigation (The Kennet and Avon Canal), the Holy Brook, the GWR main line to the West, the A4 Bath Road and the M4 motorway.  There is actually a complete 180 degree view to the North.


[cid:part2.DF25AF10.DD5D9A4C at gmail.com]


Looking South towards Winchester:

[cid:part3.958F8137.E793A999 at gmail.com]



... and of course, here is Chester:


[cid:part4.9AB93AC0.F4AADFB1 at gmail.com]


(sorry for the framing (one handed use of digital SLR ))



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Alec

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From waresound at msn.com  Sat May  9 13:28:48 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:28:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Walk - Wednesday
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351491E634A11BB20A43456A7A30@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Sorry folks, I didn?t mean to clutter up your inboxes with Alec?s four (lovely) pix that you?ve already got.
Cheers,
Nick.

Sent from my iPad mini 5

From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun May 10 04:49:48 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 10:49:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TV - Empty Sets
In-Reply-To: <-nq1G-JCbzXytTm6vijMySyiSNI32x7RDlh9_yitZ6n3_vkvP31oXaEa9Qs8JBmkYR8WUI7qdR8OhdIuSuHOX1JUuWpi1LMWlLIMk5ZbaO8=@protonmail.com>
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Hi All,

Tony Grant published a link to BBC Archives of Empty sets:

> https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/empty_sets_collection/zfvy382-- 


Did you notice ...?


The desk from Dixon of Dock Green Police Station (1960) (Dock Green 
Nick) ...(although probably used to the end of the series..) ....

..


is the same as the bank cashier's counter from "Dad's Army (1969)


Definitely recycled ... although the flaps are different.


Oh dear ... in lockdown... too much time ...


Best Regards

Alec

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun May 10 05:03:36 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 11:03:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TV - Empty Sets
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Was it recycled as the bar that Del-boy fell through?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 10 May 2020, at 10:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Tony Grant published a link to BBC Archives of Empty sets:
> 
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/empty_sets_collection/zfvy382--
> 
> 
> Did you notice ...?
> 
> 
> 
> The desk from Dixon of Dock Green Police Station (1960) (Dock Green Nick) ...(although probably used to the end of the series..) ....
> 
> ..
> 
> <fpgkpnmccohgcjnc.png>
> 
> 
> 
> is the same as the bank cashier's counter from "Dad's Army (1969) 
> 
> <gfncnbdfkpgcpjba.png>
> 
> 
> 
> Definitely recycled ... although the flaps are different.   
> 
> 
> 
> Oh dear ... in lockdown... too much time ...
> 
> 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> 
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> home:   0118 981 7502
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 05:19:52 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 11:19:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TV - Empty Sets
In-Reply-To: <3D30119F-00A4-4515-8A05-AEA829160818@icloud.com>
References: <3D30119F-00A4-4515-8A05-AEA829160818@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <113CD01E-74A7-4821-AC13-77EAA6B29F2B@btinternet.com>

Comparing the two photographs of the counter/desk I see the edge mouldings also the skirting profile at the base are not the same - the door infills have an Ovolo mould but are shown as a mould similar to Lamb?s Tongue on the second photo.  

......Unless it?s had a major revamp resulting in a case of ?my great grandad?s old axe has had 2 new heads and 3 new handles?. 

?yes but is still the same old axe you idiot !?

Steve

PS An idea for a Lock-down ?spot the difference? game


> On 10 May 2020, at 11:04, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Was it recycled as the bar that Del-boy fell through?
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 10 May 2020, at 10:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Tony Grant published a link to BBC Archives of Empty sets:
>> 
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/empty_sets_collection/zfvy382--
>> 
>> 
>> Did you notice ...?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The desk from Dixon of Dock Green Police Station (1960) (Dock Green Nick) ...(although probably used to the end of the series..) ....
>> 
>> ..
>> 
>> <fpgkpnmccohgcjnc.png>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> is the same as the bank cashier's counter from "Dad's Army (1969) 
>> 
>> <gfncnbdfkpgcpjba.png>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Definitely recycled ... although the flaps are different.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oh dear ... in lockdown... too much time ...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> 
>> mob:    07789 561 346
>> home:   0118 981 7502
>> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 05:19:52 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 11:19:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TV - Empty Sets
In-Reply-To: <3D30119F-00A4-4515-8A05-AEA829160818@icloud.com>
References: <3D30119F-00A4-4515-8A05-AEA829160818@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <113CD01E-74A7-4821-AC13-77EAA6B29F2B@btinternet.com>

Comparing the two photographs of the counter/desk I see the edge mouldings also the skirting profile at the base are not the same - the door infills have an Ovolo mould but are shown as a mould similar to Lamb?s Tongue on the second photo.  

......Unless it?s had a major revamp resulting in a case of ?my great grandad?s old axe has had 2 new heads and 3 new handles?. 

?yes but is still the same old axe you idiot !?

Steve

PS An idea for a Lock-down ?spot the difference? game


> On 10 May 2020, at 11:04, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Was it recycled as the bar that Del-boy fell through?
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 10 May 2020, at 10:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Tony Grant published a link to BBC Archives of Empty sets:
>> 
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/empty_sets_collection/zfvy382--
>> 
>> 
>> Did you notice ...?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The desk from Dixon of Dock Green Police Station (1960) (Dock Green Nick) ...(although probably used to the end of the series..) ....
>> 
>> ..
>> 
>> <fpgkpnmccohgcjnc.png>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> is the same as the bank cashier's counter from "Dad's Army (1969) 
>> 
>> <gfncnbdfkpgcpjba.png>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Definitely recycled ... although the flaps are different.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Oh dear ... in lockdown... too much time ...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> 
>> mob:    07789 561 346
>> home:   0118 981 7502
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun May 10 05:35:37 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 11:35:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <a411196d-a272-3adb-05b1-f0873f3ac775@gmail.com>
References: <a411196d-a272-3adb-05b1-f0873f3ac775@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B272EAC0-37BD-4D90-A22D-B4AEEE3EC894@me.com>

I would draw people's attention to a notable Wireless World article which I recall reading at the time and have not found on=line until now..

The page number is the number printed in the magazine, not the page number of the scan.

Go to this edition, page 189.  It looks heavy going at first glance, but I would recommend that you stick with it.

Alan Taylor



On 9 May 2020, at 9 May . 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
> 
> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
> 
> B
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun May 10 06:45:42 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:45:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC TV - Empty Sets
In-Reply-To: <113CD01E-74A7-4821-AC13-77EAA6B29F2B@btinternet.com>
References: <3D30119F-00A4-4515-8A05-AEA829160818@icloud.com>
	<113CD01E-74A7-4821-AC13-77EAA6B29F2B@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5eb7e965.1c69fb81.f441b.29e7@mx.google.com>

Referring to the discussion about stereoscopic photography, one comment was made about the ?spot the difference? competitions, if the two images were presented side by side and viewed stereoscopically.

Looking at the stills of the BBC sets, I?m impressed with the detail constructed.
I was even more startled with the set construction on films when I entered that industry. Obviously 35mm film had a greater resolution than 405 monochrome, especially when displayed on a 30? screen!
(but I was brought up on the early Dr.Who?s with squeaky polystyrene sets!)
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Steve Edwards via Tech1
Sent: 10 May 2020 11:20
To: Graeme Wall
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BBC TV - Empty Sets

Comparing the two photographs of the counter/desk I see the edge mouldings also the skirting profile at the base are not the same - the door infills have an Ovolo mould but are shown as a mould similar to Lamb?s Tongue on the second photo.  

PS An idea for a Lock-down ?spot the difference? game





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From doug at puddifoot.me  Sun May 10 13:52:23 2020
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 19:52:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
Message-ID: <d9pqc7bt0y5jfo8elt1x93mk.1589136743677@email.android.com>

Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm

Doug

On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 13:58:11 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 18:58:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Name that Vision Mixer
References: <1388191735.1919074.1589137091142.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1388191735.1919074.1589137091142@mail.yahoo.com>

Can anyone name this Vision Mixer, seen here seated beyond Rudolf Cartier. The still is take from "This is the BBC", and the programme is "Mother Courage and her Children" - broadcast 30th June 1959.
I had erroneously labelled her as Rachel Blainey, on the assumption that any female Vision Mixer of that era, who wasn't Gladys Davies, must be Rachel. But since then, I've found an image of Rachel, who looks completely different!
So, who is this lady?


luv, Rog.


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun May 10 14:15:51 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:15:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Holiday memories
Message-ID: <EDBFDBAB22AE485F86ADC6B1D58AD187@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Five days ago Mike Giles was conjuring up memories of past holidays in France and now yesterday we find Nick ruefully reflecting on missing this year?s Menorca experience. I guess making do with happy memories may be about all many of us can do this year. And so ......

Like Mike we had a love affair with holidays in France, in our case especially during the first half of the 1990?s. My wife had a great ability to track down really quaint g?tes in wonderfully scenic areas. One of her best was in the French Pyrenees May 1995 in the Rib?rot Valley in Ari?ge. At the time, Ari?ge was little known as a tourist destination, even to the French. The g?te we had lay below Mont Valier, a 9315 ft peak within one of the oldest nature reserves in France. 

It belonged to a family who lived (as best I recall) in St Girons who were utterly charming and entertained us in their home on three occasions, each time serving an aperitif which was out of this world and rejoiced in the name of ?Juran?on ? L?Aperitif d?Henry IV?. Realising how much we had enjoyed it they presented us with a bottle on our departure. Seemingly little known in this country and not widely available I think it?s one of those where vintage is everything. Ours was a 1990, so 5 yrs old at the time and I have seen in more recent times an asking of well over ?50 for this vintage. The tiny Juran?on wine region is SW of Pau some 80 miles or so from our host?s home which makes it effectively a local producer.

So before I get carried away here are two photos (sadly only scans from film) ? one of the g?te, the other of the view from the front door looking towards Mont Valier. There are magnificent landscapes to be enjoyed within easy travelling distance ? given the weather you can?t go wrong.

Dave Newbitt
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun May 10 14:58:40 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:58:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <d9pqc7bt0y5jfo8elt1x93mk.1589136743677@email.android.com>
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sun May 10 15:51:32 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:51:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Wild West
Message-ID: <I916ububnoCe-wlFUFC1-7miN878C8zFRLFeuhshu8jCb_avlXC5eAt1h5ueMgZ6n7aOURvBsRb4q3qI4aQtzumMD7RT8T6pLuUIQWKoFhM=@protonmail.com>

Not sure if you've seen this before, but I remember it from a couple of years ago, and can't remember who originally posted it where. But enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWs4WA--eKU

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun May 10 15:53:49 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 21:53:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5405527A22B34A75BDC63EBC25DB3026@Gigabyte>

But did you ever make one of these?

It is a very early light dimmer when thyristors first became availble easliy.
Constructed whilst in Lines Dept in BH and contains resistors from construction of audio equalisers for BT lines mounted on the tag strips from aforementioned equalisers installed in BH Control Room and a simple variable potentiometer.
Still got it but I don?t think it would meet current (sic) regulations.
Like you Paul, my first crystal set was at school to listen to Radio Luxembourg after ?lights out?

Mike

PS sorry this e-mail contains repeats but I don?t seem to be able to delete bits from someone's clever e-mail programme!!

From: Paul Thackray via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:58 PM
To: Doug Puddifoot ; Tech 1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World

As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
      From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
      Sent: 10 May 2020 19:52
      To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
      Reply to: doug at puddifoot.me
      Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World 


Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm

Doug



On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you

https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm

B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 16:02:47 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 22:02:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <bfc60aba-dde9-7595-b949-fd33f3b37ff7@btinternet.com>

I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in 
Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and still 
have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a well-known lady 
floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and she kept everyone 
in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby! After threatening 
him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just like her blouse! 
She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave

On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a 
> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most 
> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC TV 
> Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>
>
> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>
> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>
> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>
> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>
> B
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 16:13:11 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 22:13:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wild West
In-Reply-To: <I916ububnoCe-wlFUFC1-7miN878C8zFRLFeuhshu8jCb_avlXC5eAt1h5ueMgZ6n7aOURvBsRb4q3qI4aQtzumMD7RT8T6pLuUIQWKoFhM=@protonmail.com>
References: <I916ububnoCe-wlFUFC1-7miN878C8zFRLFeuhshu8jCb_avlXC5eAt1h5ueMgZ6n7aOURvBsRb4q3qI4aQtzumMD7RT8T6pLuUIQWKoFhM=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fc41afb-879c-dbdb-f876-8f257cbe1e01@btinternet.com>

What a great Western, I've never seen it before, thanks Tone! Cheers, Dave

On 10/05/2020 21:51, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Not sure if you've seen this before, but I remember it from a couple 
> of years ago, and can't remember who originally posted it where. But 
> enjoy:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWs4WA--eKU
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
>
>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sun May 10 16:21:45 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 22:21:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <5405527A22B34A75BDC63EBC25DB3026@Gigabyte>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 16:23:58 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 22:23:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <5405527A22B34A75BDC63EBC25DB3026@Gigabyte>
References: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<5405527A22B34A75BDC63EBC25DB3026@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <7b6a7c1a-adc7-4b16-c1e8-16e34980b155@btinternet.com>

I could post a picture of my vari-speed windscreen wiper control for 
positive earth cars which worked beautifully. Together with my wire 
operated radiator blind and self feathering radiator fan (Aerofan) 
journeys to TVC became less stressful! On a journey up the M1 to 
Nottingham I had to stop every 12 miles to refill the radiator in my 
Singer Gazelle 3C as it had become so furred up with London water! I 
used Holts Extra-strong radiator cleaner outside my in-laws house to 
enable us to get back to London without stopping! Happy days! Cheers, Dave

On 10/05/2020 21:53, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> But did you ever make one of these?
> It is a very early light dimmer when thyristors first became availble 
> easliy.
> Constructed whilst in Lines Dept in BH and contains resistors from 
> construction of audio equalisers for BT lines mounted on the tag 
> strips from aforementioned equalisers installed in BH Control Room and 
> a simple variable potentiometer.
> Still got it but I don?t think it would meet current (sic) regulations.
> Like you Paul, my first crystal set was at school to listen to Radio 
> Luxembourg after ?lights out?
> Mike
> PS sorry this e-mail contains repeats but I don?t seem to be able to 
> delete bits from someone's clever e-mail programme!!
> *From:* Paul Thackray via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:58 PM
> *To:* Doug Puddifoot <mailto:doug at puddifoot.me> ; Tech 1 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a 
> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most 
> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC TV 
> Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>
>
> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>
> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>
> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>
> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>
> B
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun May 10 16:28:20 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 22:28:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <bfc60aba-dde9-7595-b949-fd33f3b37ff7@btinternet.com>
References: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<bfc60aba-dde9-7595-b949-fd33f3b37ff7@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <22EE5B905CCB49B4BD7B8013D946B15C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Hi Dave,

I still have my TMK 500 bought in Croydon in 1963 for ?8 7s 6d and it?s still perfect. Avometer purists were often sniffy about anything Japanese but as you will well know they are very fine bits of kit. The 15v battery used in the resistance metering are not that common now ? the last I bought were Varta V74PX. Did the 300 use the same?

Dave Newbitt.

From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 PM
To: Paul Thackray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World

I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and still have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a well-known lady floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and she kept everyone in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby! After threatening him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just like her blouse! She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave


On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:

  As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
  Paul Thackray

  PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

  07802 243979

  Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

  Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

  Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

  IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

  sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
        From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
        Sent: 10 May 2020 19:52
        To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
        Reply to: doug at puddifoot.me
        Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World 


  Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?

  https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm

  Doug



  On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



  I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you

  https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm

  B


   


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 10 17:20:10 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 23:20:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <22EE5B905CCB49B4BD7B8013D946B15C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<bfc60aba-dde9-7595-b949-fd33f3b37ff7@btinternet.com>
	<22EE5B905CCB49B4BD7B8013D946B15C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <ef09bec0-04e9-87a2-acc0-ff69754176ea@btinternet.com>

Yes, the BLR154 battery was used. I happily saw an Ever-Ready van 
delivering to a shop and asked if I could buy one so that saved me a lot 
of hassle! I have just opened up my TMK 500 and found that the 1.5 
(Mar2013!) cell had leaked and the 15v. BLR154 was down to 10v. so 
that's another lock-down job to sort out! Cheers, Dave

On 10/05/2020 22:28, David Newbitt wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> I still have my TMK 500 bought in Croydon in 1963 for ?8 7s 6d and 
> it?s still perfect. Avometer purists were often sniffy about anything 
> Japanese but as you will well know they are very fine bits of kit. The 
> 15v battery used in the resistance metering are not that common now ? 
> the last I bought were Varta V74PX. Did the 300 use the same?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 PM
> *To:* Paul Thackray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>
> I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in 
> Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and 
> still have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a 
> well-known lady floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and 
> she kept everyone in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby! 
> After threatening him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just 
> like her blouse! She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a 
>> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most 
>> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC 
>> TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> 07802 243979
>>
>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>
>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>
>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>
>>
>> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>>
>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>>
>> Doug
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>>
>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>>
>> B
>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon May 11 04:53:08 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 09:53:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Annual accounts / tax returns
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351BD1E4CD7186BE80BC349A7A10@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I?m interested to talk to anyone in a similar ?semi-retired? situation to me who does their own online or paper tax return, or if you use an accountant, how that compares to mine.
Basically, since de-registering for VAT in 2013, my finances couldn?t be simpler, yet the fee the accountant is quoting me is ?1850.00 inc VAT, a figure that steadily creeps up year on year. 
When I asked him last year if he was saving me more than he was costing me, he reluctantly said probably not (followed by a lot of smarmy sales-talk about the advantages of using a reputable firm like the one he works for). I?ve been with them for thirty years. 
What does the team think? If anyone has the time to email me privately in the first instance I?d be really grateful.
Needless to say, if any of this might be helpful for others, I?ll share details here.
nick at njware.co.uk or waresound at msn.com
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Mon May 11 05:46:05 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 11:46:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <ef09bec0-04e9-87a2-acc0-ff69754176ea@btinternet.com>
References: <7ub5id6mjq8rp7de1pghdi4l.1589140720995@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<bfc60aba-dde9-7595-b949-fd33f3b37ff7@btinternet.com>
	<22EE5B905CCB49B4BD7B8013D946B15C@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<ef09bec0-04e9-87a2-acc0-ff69754176ea@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <e08f402e-09dd-237c-4a85-141ede89331f@imixmics.co.uk>

I too have a TMK 500 also dating from the 60s or 70s: a really good 
piece of kit, still in use. Only has 3 feet 'cos I lost one somewhere. 
I'm going to open up the TMK to see the state of the remaining battery 
(OK - a Duracell dated 2019). I took out the 15v one years ago when it 
died & I couldn't get hold of a replacement. A quick Google search today 
threw up a list, but they all seemed unavailable or out of stock. Anyone 
know a source of suitable replacements? Later I bought myself digital 
multimeter which uses a PP3.

John

On 10/05/2020 23:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Yes, the BLR154 battery was used. I happily saw an Ever-Ready van 
> delivering to a shop and asked if I could buy one so that saved me a lot 
> of hassle! I have just opened up my TMK 500 and found that the 1.5 
> (Mar2013!) cell had leaked and the 15v. BLR154 was down to 10v. so 
> that's another lock-down job to sort out! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 10/05/2020 22:28, David Newbitt wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> I still have my TMK 500 bought in Croydon in 1963 for ?8 7s 6d and 
>> it?s still perfect. Avometer purists were often sniffy about anything 
>> Japanese but as you will well know they are very fine bits of kit. The 
>> 15v battery used in the resistance metering are not that common now ? 
>> the last I bought were Varta V74PX. Did the 300 use the same?
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 PM
>> *To:* Paul Thackray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>
>> I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in 
>> Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and 
>> still have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a 
>> well-known lady floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and 
>> she kept everyone in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby! 
>> After threatening him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just 
>> like her blouse! She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>>> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a 
>>> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most 
>>> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC 
>>> TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
>>> Paul Thackray
>>>
>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>>
>>> 07802 243979
>>>
>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>
>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>
>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>>
>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>>
>>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>>> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>
>>>
>>> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>>>
>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>>>
>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
> 



From ggstable at mac.com  Mon May 11 06:04:23 2020
From: ggstable at mac.com (GRAHAM GILES)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:04:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Name that Vision Mixer
In-Reply-To: <1388191735.1919074.1589137091142@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1388191735.1919074.1589137091142.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1388191735.1919074.1589137091142@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AF6A1CC7-BDAB-4E4C-9FF9-739626963A64@mac.com>

Hi Roger,
This is Mrs. Nellie Southcott, wife of Graham Southcott. He was one of the last ?gentleman? technical managers. (Called T.O.M.?s. in those days)

Best wishes
Graham
Visit me at - www.grahamgiles.net

                   and also at
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ggstable/albums



























> On 10 May 2020, at 19:58, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Can anyone name this Vision Mixer, seen here seated beyond Rudolf Cartier. The still is take from "This is the BBC", and the programme is "Mother Courage and her Children" - broadcast 30th June 1959.
> 
> I had erroneously labelled her as Rachel Blainey, on the assumption that any female Vision Mixer of that era, who wasn't Gladys Davies, must be Rachel. But since then, I've found an image of Rachel, who looks completely different!
> 
> So, who is this lady?
> 
> <BBC04.jpg>
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon May 11 06:06:18 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:06:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World
In-Reply-To: <e08f402e-09dd-237c-4a85-141ede89331f@imixmics.co.uk>
Message-ID: <07edp0daom72uvvdej9c7i5l.1589195178151@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Looks like it's available on eBay at just under a tener ing postage. 


https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLR154-Alkaline-BATTERY-FOR-AVO-Model-METER-15V-504-Multimeter-15-volt-/391127575276

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network


? Original Message ?


From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 11 May 2020 11:46
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: jpn at imixmics.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World


I too have a TMK 500 also dating from the 60s or 70s: a really good
piece of kit, still in use. Only has 3 feet 'cos I lost one somewhere.
I'm going to open up the TMK to see the state of the remaining battery
(OK - a Duracell dated 2019). I took out the 15v one years ago when it
died & I couldn't get hold of a replacement. A quick Google search today
threw up a list, but they all seemed unavailable or out of stock. Anyone
know a source of suitable replacements? Later I bought myself digital
multimeter which uses a PP3.

John

On 10/05/2020 23:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> Yes, the BLR154 battery was used. I happily saw an Ever-Ready van
> delivering to a shop and asked if I could buy one so that saved me a lot
> of hassle! I have just opened up my TMK 500 and found that the 1.5
> (Mar2013!) cell had leaked and the 15v. BLR154 was down to 10v. so
> that's another lock-down job to sort out! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 10/05/2020 22:28, David Newbitt wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> I still have my TMK 500 bought in Croydon in 1963 for ?8 7s 6d and
>> it?s still perfect. Avometer purists were often sniffy about anything
>> Japanese but as you will well know they are very fine bits of kit. The
>> 15v battery used in the resistance metering are not that common now ?
>> the last I bought were Varta V74PX. Did the 300 use the same?
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 PM
>> *To:* Paul Thackray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>
>> I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in
>> Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and
>> still have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a
>> well-known lady floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and
>> she kept everyone in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby!
>> After threatening him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just
>> like her blouse! She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>>> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a
>>> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most
>>> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC
>>> TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
>>> Paul Thackray
>>>
>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>>
>>> 07802 243979
>>>
>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>
>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>
>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>>
>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>>
>>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>>> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>
>>>
>>> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>>>
>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>>>
>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May 11 13:36:43 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:36:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BLR154 battery
In-Reply-To: <07edp0daom72uvvdej9c7i5l.1589195178151@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <07edp0daom72uvvdej9c7i5l.1589195178151@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <826945cc-c005-4f2f-7530-e31d2431f05d@btinternet.com>

My Ever-Ready one is rectangular, not cylindrical! However, if it's 15v. 
it should work OK. Cheers, Dave
On 11/05/2020 12:06, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> Looks like it's available on eBay at just under a tener ing postage.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLR154-Alkaline-BATTERY-FOR-AVO-Model-METER-15V-504-Multimeter-15-volt-/391127575276
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>
>
>  ? Original Message
>
>
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 11 May 2020 11:46
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: jpn at imixmics.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>
>
> I too have a TMK 500 also dating from the 60s or 70s: a really good
> piece of kit, still in use. Only has 3 feet 'cos I lost one somewhere.
> I'm going to open up the TMK to see the state of the remaining battery
> (OK - a Duracell dated 2019). I took out the 15v one years ago when it
> died & I couldn't get hold of a replacement. A quick Google search today
> threw up a list, but they all seemed unavailable or out of stock. Anyone
> know a source of suitable replacements? Later I bought myself digital
> multimeter which uses a PP3.
>
> John
>
> On 10/05/2020 23:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> Yes, the BLR154 battery was used. I happily saw an Ever-Ready van
>> delivering to a shop and asked if I could buy one so that saved me a lot
>> of hassle! I have just opened up my TMK 500 and found that the 1.5
>> (Mar2013!) cell had leaked and the 15v. BLR154 was down to 10v. so
>> that's another lock-down job to sort out! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 10/05/2020 22:28, David Newbitt wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> I still have my TMK 500 bought in Croydon in 1963 for ?8 7s 6d and
>>> it?s still perfect. Avometer purists were often sniffy about anything
>>> Japanese but as you will well know they are very fine bits of kit. The
>>> 15v battery used in the resistance metering are not that common now ?
>>> the last I bought were Varta V74PX. Did the 300 use the same?
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 PM
>>> *To:* Paul Thackray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>
>>> I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in
>>> Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and
>>> still have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a
>>> well-known lady floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and
>>> she kept everyone in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby!
>>> After threatening him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just
>>> like her blouse! She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a
>>>> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most
>>>> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC
>>>> TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
>>>> Paul Thackray
>>>>
>>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>>>
>>>> 07802 243979
>>>>
>>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>>>
>>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>>>
>>>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>>>> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
>>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>>>>
>>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon May 11 13:43:25 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:43:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BLR154 battery
In-Reply-To: <826945cc-c005-4f2f-7530-e31d2431f05d@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <d2r0grt44roko7078a69f0bu.1589222605247@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Did some say round peg in a square hole?



Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

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? Original Message ?


From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com
Sent: 11 May 2020 19:36
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] BLR154 battery


My Ever-Ready one is rectangular, not cylindrical! However, if it's 15v.
it should work OK. Cheers, Dave
On 11/05/2020 12:06, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
> Looks like it's available on eBay at just under a tener ing postage.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLR154-Alkaline-BATTERY-FOR-AVO-Model-METER-15V-504-Multimeter-15-volt-/391127575276
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>
>
>? ? Original Message
>
>
> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Sent: 11 May 2020 11:46
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Reply to: jpn at imixmics.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>
>
> I too have a TMK 500 also dating from the 60s or 70s: a really good
> piece of kit, still in use. Only has 3 feet 'cos I lost one somewhere.
> I'm going to open up the TMK to see the state of the remaining battery
> (OK - a Duracell dated 2019). I took out the 15v one years ago when it
> died & I couldn't get hold of a replacement. A quick Google search today
> threw up a list, but they all seemed unavailable or out of stock. Anyone
> know a source of suitable replacements? Later I bought myself digital
> multimeter which uses a PP3.
>
> John
>
> On 10/05/2020 23:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> Yes, the BLR154 battery was used. I happily saw an Ever-Ready van
>> delivering to a shop and asked if I could buy one so that saved me a lot
>> of hassle! I have just opened up my TMK 500 and found that the 1.5
>> (Mar2013!) cell had leaked and the 15v. BLR154 was down to 10v. so
>> that's another lock-down job to sort out! Cheers, Dave
>>
>> On 10/05/2020 22:28, David Newbitt wrote:
>>> Hi Dave,
>>> I still have my TMK 500 bought in Croydon in 1963 for ?8 7s 6d and
>>> it?s still perfect. Avometer purists were often sniffy about anything
>>> Japanese but as you will well know they are very fine bits of kit. The
>>> 15v battery used in the resistance metering are not that common now ?
>>> the last I bought were Varta V74PX. Did the 300 use the same?
>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 PM
>>> *To:* Paul Thackray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>
>>> I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in
>>> Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and
>>> still have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a
>>> well-known lady floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and
>>> she kept everyone in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby!
>>> After threatening him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just
>>> like her blouse! She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a
>>>> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most
>>>> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC
>>>> TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
>>>> Paul Thackray
>>>>
>>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>>>
>>>> 07802 243979
>>>>
>>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>>>
>>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>>>
>>>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>>>> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
>>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>>>>
>>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> --
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon May 11 17:31:22 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:31:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BLR154 battery
In-Reply-To: <d2r0grt44roko7078a69f0bu.1589222605247@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <d2r0grt44roko7078a69f0bu.1589222605247@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <dbff099b-cc64-a39e-5113-73d996cd6902@btinternet.com>

It's certainly a square hole it fits in! Cheers, Dave
On 11/05/2020 19:43, Paul Thackray wrote:
> Did some say round peg in a square hole?
>
>
>
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>
>
>  ? Original Message
>
>
> From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com
> Sent: 11 May 2020 19:36
> To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] BLR154 battery
>
>
> My Ever-Ready one is rectangular, not cylindrical! However, if it's 15v.
> it should work OK. Cheers, Dave
> On 11/05/2020 12:06, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>> Looks like it's available on eBay at just under a tener ing postage.
>>
>>
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BLR154-Alkaline-BATTERY-FOR-AVO-Model-METER-15V-504-Multimeter-15-volt-/391127575276
>>
>> Paul Thackray
>>
>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>
>> 07802 243979
>>
>> Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>
>> Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>
>> IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>
>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>>
>>
>>  ? ? Original Message
>>
>>
>> From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Sent: 11 May 2020 11:46
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Reply to: jpn at imixmics.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>
>>
>> I too have a TMK 500 also dating from the 60s or 70s: a really good
>> piece of kit, still in use. Only has 3 feet 'cos I lost one somewhere.
>> I'm going to open up the TMK to see the state of the remaining battery
>> (OK - a Duracell dated 2019). I took out the 15v one years ago when it
>> died & I couldn't get hold of a replacement. A quick Google search today
>> threw up a list, but they all seemed unavailable or out of stock. Anyone
>> know a source of suitable replacements? Later I bought myself digital
>> multimeter which uses a PP3.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 10/05/2020 23:20, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Yes, the BLR154 battery was used. I happily saw an Ever-Ready van
>>> delivering to a shop and asked if I could buy one so that saved me a lot
>>> of hassle! I have just opened up my TMK 500 and found that the 1.5
>>> (Mar2013!) cell had leaked and the 15v. BLR154 was down to 10v. so
>>> that's another lock-down job to sort out! Cheers, Dave
>>>
>>> On 10/05/2020 22:28, David Newbitt wrote:
>>>> Hi Dave,
>>>> I still have my TMK 500 bought in Croydon in 1963 for ?8 7s 6d and
>>>> it?s still perfect. Avometer purists were often sniffy about anything
>>>> Japanese but as you will well know they are very fine bits of kit. The
>>>> 15v battery used in the resistance metering are not that common now ?
>>>> the last I bought were Varta V74PX. Did the 300 use the same?
>>>> Dave Newbitt.
>>>> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1
>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 10, 2020 10:02 PM
>>>> *To:* Paul Thackray ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>>
>>>> I assume you are referring to Babani Books based in the Grampians in
>>>> Shepherds Bush! I bought many service sheets in the shop there and
>>>> still have the TMK300 multimeter I bought there. 'Mother', a
>>>> well-known lady floor manager in TVC also lived in the Grampians and
>>>> she kept everyone in order in the studio, including Richard Dimbleby!
>>>> After threatening him one day he remarked it was an empty threat, just
>>>> like her blouse! She was obviously very flat chested! Cheers, Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 10/05/2020 20:58, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> As a child I remember owning a number of these books and making a
>>>>> number of the projects (the boys book of crystal sets being the most
>>>>> obvious one) and all published from an art deco office near the BBC
>>>>> TV Theater (where the company is still publishing books.)
>>>>> Paul Thackray
>>>>>
>>>>> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>>>>>
>>>>> 07802 243979
>>>>>
>>>>> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>>>>>
>>>>> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
>>>>> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> *Sent:* 10 May 2020 19:52
>>>>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> *Reply to:* doug at puddifoot.me
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Wireless World
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did anyone else but Bernards Manuals?
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9 May 2020, at 12:43, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just found this - a touch of nostalgia for you
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.americanradiohistory.com/Wireless_World_Magazine.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> B
>>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>> --
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>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 12 08:45:34 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:45:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] This morning I......
Message-ID: <acb020c7-14b7-2084-27c2-a548776fe5cc@gmail.com>

Went up on the roof to fix the TV aerial that the high winds had tipped over
Bought petrol for the first time in months, for 99.7p
Baked a loaf that had been brewing since yesterday
Caught a swarm of bees and hived them

That's the most I've done almost for ever (it seems).

Bernie
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From briantech at gmx.co.uk  Tue May 12 09:47:25 2020
From: briantech at gmx.co.uk (Brian Dale)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:47:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Change of email address - Brian Dale
Message-ID: <5a4f87d7-eb55-e35e-fdd6-317a687d8074@gmx.co.uk>

Hi Bernie,

I've successfully updated my email address for the Tech1 list using the
link below
http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

from "briantech at briandale.co.uk" to "briantech at gmx.co.uk"

However, is there another group that I am subscribed to (Tech2 perhaps -
the announcements group)? Please could you let me know how to change my
email address on that group.

Thanks,

Brian Dale
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 12 10:35:14 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:35:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News studio miking
Message-ID: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>

I caught a news broadcast a couple of days ago, and noticed that the interviewee was not personal miked ? instead  a desk mic was employed, and how much better was the sound!
Does it take a virulent virus to coax back the proper way of doing things?
Pat


Sent from Mail for Windows 10



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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue May 12 10:45:46 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:45:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News studio miking
In-Reply-To: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>
References: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <92DA3B14EA2F4A5B95A28E8268443510@Gigabyte>

This virus thing is bringing out all sorts of ways of doing things. The desk mic is so that mics do not have to be fitted/removed from guests (I bet you never guessed that ? he he)
Gardeners World had Monty Don doing all of the work (no camera moves on air) with cutaways also obviously done by him (still wearing his ?hidden? mic under his shirt though).
The Marr Show done in the newsroom set ? was it worse?
Everywhere are people singing in groups via Zoom or similar.
Loads of news interviews done remotely with, amazingly, few audio delay problems.
I watched the first episode of ITV ?Isolation show? which showed all the basics of how it was done and that was fascinating.

Nothing will ever be the same.

Mike

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 4:35 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] News studio miking

I caught a news broadcast a couple of days ago, and noticed that the interviewee was not personal miked ? instead  a desk mic was employed, and how much better was the sound!

Does it take a virulent virus to coax back the proper way of doing things?

Pat
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue May 12 11:12:22 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:12:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News studio miking
In-Reply-To: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>
References: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <80D8F943-B560-45BD-AC1F-19AB4E0D5608@me.com>

When I do PSC pieces to camera , I invariably set up a tall stand with a very long boom arm with a heavy counterweight and an AKG 460 microphone.  It?s an excellent arrangement because the long boom arm has a reach of about 2 metres  and the stand goes nice and high, so I can usually get the hardware out of any sensible shot and away from lights while still getting the mic into a good position. I also fit a DPA personal mic to the contributor.  

The two mics are sent to separate tracks in the usual manner so that the director can choose between boom mic or personal mic.  The boom mic sounds so much better, but far more often than not, the personal mic is the one they use in the edit, irrespective of which one I put on track 1.

Alan Taylor



> On 12 May 2020, at 16:35, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I caught a news broadcast a couple of days ago, and noticed that the interviewee was not personal miked ? instead  a desk mic was employed, and how much better was the sound!
> Does it take a virulent virus to coax back the proper way of doing things?
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> 
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue May 12 11:56:46 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:56:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures
Message-ID: <19157a79-fc14-57b6-1c8a-894657314a14@gmail.com>

Hi all,

We borrowed Chester today (Tuesday).?? I took him to the Kennet and Avon 
Canal at Aldermaston.


The main Kennet and Avon Canal (here, the Kennet Navigation)? is on the 
left: there is a short branch, on the right, which went? to the GWR 
station at Aldermaston for load transshipments.? The lock, rebuilt as 
the K&A was restored, was originally turf-sided and is one of the two 
locks on the K&A which has scalloped brick walls.

Further along:


Immediately behind that large horse chestnut tree is the GWR route to 
the West? .?? just managed to catch a stone train going up to London 
(obviously I was not Alert! Note to self: Must Stay Alert!!)




and of course, there is Chester:


Oh, and BTW, that is not a dead dog upside down and wearing a T-shirt 
just in front of Chester: it is just the pattern of reflection of the 
trees...

Chester is looking at the ducks on the opposite bank.


Stay safe!? Stay Alert!


-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue May 12 11:12:22 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:12:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News studio miking
In-Reply-To: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>
References: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <80D8F943-B560-45BD-AC1F-19AB4E0D5608@me.com>

When I do PSC pieces to camera , I invariably set up a tall stand with a very long boom arm with a heavy counterweight and an AKG 460 microphone.  It?s an excellent arrangement because the long boom arm has a reach of about 2 metres  and the stand goes nice and high, so I can usually get the hardware out of any sensible shot and away from lights while still getting the mic into a good position. I also fit a DPA personal mic to the contributor.  

The two mics are sent to separate tracks in the usual manner so that the director can choose between boom mic or personal mic.  The boom mic sounds so much better, but far more often than not, the personal mic is the one they use in the edit, irrespective of which one I put on track 1.

Alan Taylor



> On 12 May 2020, at 16:35, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I caught a news broadcast a couple of days ago, and noticed that the interviewee was not personal miked ? instead  a desk mic was employed, and how much better was the sound!
> Does it take a virulent virus to coax back the proper way of doing things?
> Pat
>  
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> 
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue May 12 12:17:46 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 18:17:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures
In-Reply-To: <19157a79-fc14-57b6-1c8a-894657314a14@gmail.com>
References: <19157a79-fc14-57b6-1c8a-894657314a14@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A0CFAE9CB504FD8A13BCE5DC23B4050@Gigabyte>

My only real memories of the K&A was of spending long lunch hours in the pub at Kintbury ? right on the canal - whilst doing the links midpoint on Walbury Hill as relay for Newbury Racecourse.
Oh it was a hard life in OBs.

The path to London was about the longest we did so some bright spark suggested we do some tests with a HUGE dish. Unfortunately it was so big and heavy it broke the panning head.
However a BBC waste bin wedged under got us out of trouble!



Mike

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:56 PM
To: Tech Ops 
Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures

Hi all,

We borrowed Chester today (Tuesday).   I took him to the Kennet and Avon Canal at Aldermaston.  

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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue May 12 12:20:14 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 18:20:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures
In-Reply-To: <19157a79-fc14-57b6-1c8a-894657314a14@gmail.com>
References: <19157a79-fc14-57b6-1c8a-894657314a14@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5E40265-5652-4F15-9E19-DFE64E03DEDF@me.com>

For anybody with an interest in industrial history, a walk along the Kennet and Avon canal is likely to take you past some pieces of Brunel's original broad gauge track, which were recycled for use when the K & A was built.

Once you?ve seen a bit and know what to look for, you?ll see it time and time again in some stretches.  You can see what to look for if you search for images of ?Barlow rails?.  Barlow rails have a distinctive top hat section.

Some were used to reinforce locks and many pieces were used to support signs and other items along the canal.

Alan Taylor

> On 12 May 2020, at 17:57, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Alert!
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May 12 12:52:37 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 18:52:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures
In-Reply-To: <0A0CFAE9CB504FD8A13BCE5DC23B4050@Gigabyte>
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I did a trip up the K&A from Reading to around Newbury back n the mid-70s with Ian Stanyon and another camerman who?s name I forget.


? 
Graeme Wall


> On 12 May 2020, at 18:17, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> My only real memories of the K&A was of spending long lunch hours in the pub at Kintbury ? right on the canal - whilst doing the links midpoint on Walbury Hill as relay for Newbury Racecourse.
> Oh it was a hard life in OBs.
>  
> The path to London was about the longest we did so some bright spark suggested we do some tests with a HUGE dish. Unfortunately it was so big and heavy it broke the panning head.
> However a BBC waste bin wedged under got us out of trouble!
>  
> <Walbury_Hill_BandV_tests_to_Swains_Lane_3[2].jpg>
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:56 PM
> To: Tech Ops
> Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures
>  
> Hi all,
> We borrowed Chester today (Tuesday).   I took him to the Kennet and Avon Canal at Aldermaston.  
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue May 12 14:40:57 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:40:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Gothic by Gaslight XV
References: <389737289.55723.1589312457394.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <389737289.55723.1589312457394@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
Please find attached "Gothic by Gaslight" Chapter Fifteen - I hope you're all keeping up!
luv, Rog.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 12 15:45:06 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 21:45:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: BBC Roving Eye
In-Reply-To: <5339E0AF-9BA2-4CA1-A4CB-56E056A1C5B2@westent.co.uk>
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Hi All

If you can help, please email Paul direct

cheers

B




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Subject: 	BBC Roving Eye
Date: 	Tue, 12 May 2020 18:55:16 +0100
From: 	Paul Elkington <paul at westent.co.uk>
To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com



Hi Bernie

Hope you don't mind tis out of the blue email

For some years now i have been looking for something ex BBC to restore. 
I have loads of friends that do this sort of thing and there are many 
groups around the country doing exactly that.

However none of them have the Citroen based CRE. and all attempts to 
track any of the originals have got nowhere

The Citroen DS was a rust bucket at best so I?m guessing they all when 
to the scrap years ago.

Having said that I have managed to find most of the electronics that 
went in the vehicle and have a working LDK5 with CCU and all the 
monitors and scopes in the internal pics you published some time ago.

I have also located the little towed behind generator. I have recently 
found a Citroen DS Safari ID20 all be it left hand drive. Its' very 
rusty and will need work. But the

intention is to rebuild the iconic Roving Eye.

I have also found a BBC operations handbook for the vehicle.

What I could do with is more pictures of the inside and any drawing or 
schematics so I can rebuild the internals as close to original as possible.

If you can help with any info, pics, or know of anyone I could talk to 
that worked on it or better still in it, I would be most grateful

Kind regards

Paul

Paul Elkington
Director

Tel: 01497 821 819
Mob:07831 613 630

paul at westent.co.uk <mailto:paul at westent.co.uk>
www.westent.co.uk <http://www.westent.co.uk>
*
*
*WEST ENT Ltd*
*Television & Video Facilities - Power Generation & Distribution - Audio 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 12 16:14:01 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 22:14:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What to do in this lockdown
Message-ID: <5ebb1198.1c69fb81.de60f.9ea6@mx.google.com>

I have recently started to listen again to my library of CD?s.
One collection is the Time-Life of The Swing Era, a multi-disc set of re-recorded versions of the Big Bands era of 1930-40.
They are superb recordings and mostly conducted by Billy May. On some of the tracks are the original musicians!
Worth a listen and I can?t wait to organise a party for my similarly aged friends and play the music!
One friend was so heavily into classical music that I took pity on his daughter and played her some Fire House Five (a Jazz band who were Disney?s animators) She loved them as : ?It?s happy music!?
I was gratified, as staying with them later, I discovered a 3-CD collection of the said Fire House Five on her shelf!
I?m a believer in children being exposed to all sorts of music ? they can then make up their own minds as to what they prefer.
Pat

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Tue May 12 16:17:14 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 22:17:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What to do in this lockdown
In-Reply-To: <5ebb1198.1c69fb81.de60f.9ea6@mx.google.com>
References: <5ebb1198.1c69fb81.de60f.9ea6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <33D1A4C4-1C89-4545-A1BE-19E48A70E7EB@me.com>

I knew I had it somewhere - "The Preacher King of Rock'n'Roll"

Guess who!

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 12 May 2020, at 22:14, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have recently started to listen again to my library of CD?s.
> One collection is the Time-Life of The Swing Era, a multi-disc set of re-recorded versions of the Big Bands era of 1930-40.
> They are superb recordings and mostly conducted by Billy May. On some of the tracks are the original musicians!
> Worth a listen and I can?t wait to organise a party for my similarly aged friends and play the music!
> One friend was so heavily into classical music that I took pity on his daughter and played her some Fire House Five (a Jazz band who were Disney?s animators) She loved them as : ?It?s happy music!?
> I was gratified, as staying with them later, I discovered a 3-CD collection of the said Fire House Five on her shelf!
> I?m a believer in children being exposed to all sorts of music ? they can then make up their own minds as to what they prefer.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 12 16:37:08 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 22:37:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A toy for you
Message-ID: <8f78b023-1a09-2994-f110-b461a252927f@gmail.com>

This will keep you busy for a while - dock the spacecraft


https://iss-sim.spacex.com/

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 12 17:14:03 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:14:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News studio miking
In-Reply-To: <703A80DB18DF4F9F9DC78A51938AC7A9@MEDDIES2012>
References: <5ebac231.1c69fb81.fd2e4.45ac@mx.google.com>
	<703A80DB18DF4F9F9DC78A51938AC7A9@MEDDIES2012>
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Years ago, I was booked to do a commercial involving Griff Rhys Jones and Mel Smith doing their head to head routine.
As they were both looking down and the camera was just on their faces, I decided that a mike over the top wasn?t ideal, so popped in a C451 with its short extension and the capsule swivel at 90 degrees to tweak it between them underneath.
It?s know how, innit!
Pat


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From: terrymeadowcroft
Sent: 12 May 2020 20:26
To: patheigham
Subject: Re: [Tech1] News studio miking

HEAR! HEAR!
?



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue May 12 17:16:09 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:16:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What to do in this lockdown
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Nice reminder Pat ? Firehouse Five Plus Two were terrific, their performances always sounded like fun and we listened to them endlessly. Other trad jazz exponents like Sidney Bechet were also high on our favourites list.

Dave Newbitt. 

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:14 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] What to do in this lockdown

I have recently started to listen again to my library of CD?s.

One collection is the Time-Life of The Swing Era, a multi-disc set of re-recorded versions of the Big Bands era of 1930-40.

They are superb recordings and mostly conducted by Billy May. On some of the tracks are the original musicians!

Worth a listen and I can?t wait to organise a party for my similarly aged friends and play the music!

One friend was so heavily into classical music that I took pity on his daughter and played her some Fire House Five (a Jazz band who were Disney?s animators) She loved them as : ?It?s happy music!?

I was gratified, as staying with them later, I discovered a 3-CD collection of the said Fire House Five on her shelf!

I?m a believer in children being exposed to all sorts of music ? they can then make up their own minds as to what they prefer.

Pat

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 12 17:20:25 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:20:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] News studio miking
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I did a press launch once for Alan Yentob. He wanted to be both halves 
of a head to head. Luckily I'd done something similar before with James 
Burke - practice with a friendly person.

B



On 12/05/2020 23:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Years ago, I was booked to do a commercial involving Griff Rhys Jones 
> and Mel Smith doing their head to head routine.
>
> As they were both looking down and the camera was just on their faces, 
> I decided that a mike over the top wasn?t ideal, so popped in a C451 
> with its short extension and the capsule swivel at 90 degrees to tweak 
> it between them underneath.
>
> It?s know how, innit!
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue May 12 17:26:11 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:26:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thoughts
Message-ID: <034c26b2-7d79-4bb0-29ec-7413f6b076f4@btinternet.com>

Many years ago I bought a base-ball cap in a joke shop with the logo and 
badge of a bull saying 'Bullshippers' , I've got a vague idea about who 
I could present it too ! Any nominations? Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue May 12 17:49:42 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:49:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Thoughts
In-Reply-To: <034c26b2-7d79-4bb0-29ec-7413f6b076f4@btinternet.com>
References: <034c26b2-7d79-4bb0-29ec-7413f6b076f4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <66dc29b9-3a13-49ce-75c1-b84ebfbdadf5@btinternet.com>

One to many 'o's' - it should read 'present it to'! Too much Shiraz as 
usual! (correct numbers of 'o's' for once!) Cheers, hic, Dave

On 12/05/2020 23:26, dave.mdv wrote:
> Many years ago I bought a base-ball cap in a joke shop with the logo 
> and badge of a bull saying 'Bullshippers' , I've got a vague idea 
> about who I could present it too ! Any nominations? Cheers, Dave


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue May 12 18:01:20 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 00:01:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
Message-ID: <639c3c51-8eb5-ff35-10d6-292df115f7fa@btinternet.com>

The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more 
than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A 
tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which 
many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of 
enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does 
it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! 
Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue May 12 18:37:59 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 00:37:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VE day Concert
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References: <5E33010A122AD176@sa-prd-rgin-015.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>
Message-ID: <f7951dcc-a910-4f75-b8a5-8a01ac6cefca@btinternet.com>

Agreed! My wife kept calling me in to see it as she was watching it in 
HD on my main TV.? It looked and sounded superb and was perfect for the 
occasion, and as Nick comments - the BBC at it's best! Cheers, Dave


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From alawrance1 at me.com  Wed May 13 02:11:20 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:11:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What to do in this lockdown
In-Reply-To: <33D1A4C4-1C89-4545-A1BE-19E48A70E7EB@me.com>
References: <33D1A4C4-1C89-4545-A1BE-19E48A70E7EB@me.com>
Message-ID: <FD709226-CB80-463B-949D-22FEF39DCEAE@me.com>

The late, and great, Richard Penniman, 'Little Richard'.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 12 May 2020, at 22:17, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I knew I had it somewhere - "The Preacher King of Rock'n'Roll"
> 
> Guess who!
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 12 May 2020, at 22:14, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> I have recently started to listen again to my library of CD?s.
>> One collection is the Time-Life of The Swing Era, a multi-disc set of re-recorded versions of the Big Bands era of 1930-40.
>> They are superb recordings and mostly conducted by Billy May. On some of the tracks are the original musicians!
>> Worth a listen and I can?t wait to organise a party for my similarly aged friends and play the music!
>> One friend was so heavily into classical music that I took pity on his daughter and played her some Fire House Five (a Jazz band who were Disney?s animators) She loved them as : ?It?s happy music!?
>> I was gratified, as staying with them later, I discovered a 3-CD collection of the said Fire House Five on her shelf!
>> I?m a believer in children being exposed to all sorts of music ? they can then make up their own minds as to what they prefer.
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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>> 
>> 
>>  	
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed May 13 04:57:36 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:57:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
In-Reply-To: <639c3c51-8eb5-ff35-10d6-292df115f7fa@btinternet.com>
References: <639c3c51-8eb5-ff35-10d6-292df115f7fa@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <17F8209D-FE1A-4519-B624-9BBDFC0D11B7@icloud.com>

According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.

Graeme Wall

> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed May 13 05:25:40 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 11:25:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
In-Reply-To: <17F8209D-FE1A-4519-B624-9BBDFC0D11B7@icloud.com>
References: <17F8209D-FE1A-4519-B624-9BBDFC0D11B7@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <C1C01487-D963-492C-B461-56734722A800@me.com>

So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.

Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?

Alan Taylor

> On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
> 
> Graeme Wall
> 
>> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 06:08:07 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:08:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
In-Reply-To: <C1C01487-D963-492C-B461-56734722A800@me.com>
References: <17F8209D-FE1A-4519-B624-9BBDFC0D11B7@icloud.com>
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Did anyone listen to More or Less
Despite the governments rhetoric they are missing their targets by a huge figure.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000j2r7

Make your own minds up on a purely statistical basis. No politics
AB


> On 13 May 2020, at 11:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
> 
> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
>> 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>>> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed May 13 06:19:02 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:19:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
In-Reply-To: <C1C01487-D963-492C-B461-56734722A800@me.com>
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I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units

So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.

Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?

Alan Taylor

> On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
> 
> Graeme Wall
> 
>> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!



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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed May 13 06:31:26 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:31:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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Indeed - very revealing. I knew they were cheating but not quite how 
badly - and they have the cheek to be rude about other countries.

Rather like Trump, every briefing comes out like a polling campaign - 
self-congratulatory. Isn't it interesting that the scientific and 
statistical groups, who admit a level of uncertainty and honest debate, 
sound so much more trustworthy.

Chris Woolf

On 13/05/2020 12:08, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote:
> Did anyone listen to More or Less
> Despite the governments rhetoric they are missing their targets by a huge figure.
>
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000j2r7
>
> Make your own minds up on a purely statistical basis. No politics
> AB
>
>
>> On 13 May 2020, at 11:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
>>
>> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>> On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
>>>
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>>>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 13 06:32:23 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:32:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
In-Reply-To: <5ebbd7a5.1c69fb81.86bd8.72e2@mx.google.com>
References: <17F8209D-FE1A-4519-B624-9BBDFC0D11B7@icloud.com>
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It isn't just the tax.? We ordered two G and Ts at a pub in Oxford and 
it cost ?14.00. In a hotel we visited they don't do Gordon's and tonic? 
because their normal clientele don't think that's flash enough - it's 
Sipsmiths and Fever-Tree now.? We drank cider instead.

B



On 13/05/2020 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to 
> encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled 
> up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their 
> hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus 
> the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we 
> wouldn?t be there very long!
>
> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a 
> bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval 
> officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. 
> Offering? us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for 
> beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most 
> expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as 
> spirits were duty free, even in port!
>
> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a 
> cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from 
> a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *13 May 2020 11:25
> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Units
>
> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they 
> distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
>
> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>
> Alan Taylor
>
> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The 
> original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it 
> was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
>
> >
>
> > Graeme Wall
>
> >
>
> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no 
> more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally 
> announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is 
> about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in 
> danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as 
> tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or 
> e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>
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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed May 13 06:41:45 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:41:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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In article <639c3c51-8eb5-ff35-10d6-292df115f7fa at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more 
> than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A 
> tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which 
> many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of 
> enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does 
> it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! 
> Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!

The amount of alcohol an individual can tolerate without doing damage
varies greatly from person to person. Obviously any official
recommendation has to be set at the low safe limit.

I'm sure we all know several who have died as a result of alcohol abuse.
And as many who have damaged themselves too.

-- 
*A hangover is the wrath of grapes.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed May 13 06:43:03 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:43:03 +0100
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I posted on BBC Alumni Facebook page a query asking if anyone could help 
me discover who was involved with the excellent BBC coverage of 75^th 
Anniversary of VE Day.

Today I received the following:

Andy Barker 
<https://www.facebook.com/andy.barker.3517?comment_id=Y29tbWVudDozMjIwNzU0NDg3OTkwMDI3XzMyMzA1MjMyMTcwMTMxNTQ%3D>?It 
was shot over three nights. 3 cameras and only 3 or 4 takes per song. 
One orchestra pass and 2/3 vocal passes. Simon Staffurth directed, Kevin 
Duff and Andy Deacon did the sound and I edited it at home with Simon 
sharing my computer screen to check up on the me! Not bad for a show 
made in the spare room. I don't know who the camera crew were but they 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 06:47:00 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:47:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
References: <72526857-899C-4245-B618-B3FB1D75D500.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <72526857-899C-4245-B618-B3FB1D75D500@btinternet.com>

?
Not sure it?s that simple: You have to factor-in and offset the balance of revenue raised to the major direct and indirect costs to the NHS as well as the emergency services of alcohol related crime/accidents/RTAs etc etc 

....I wouldn?t be surprised if they?re listening to some well reimbursed adviser to the government who has an interest in whatever he or she ?advises?

S
(Non political disclaimer) 

>> On 13 May 2020, at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units
>  
> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
>  
> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
> >
> > Graeme Wall
> >
> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 06:47:00 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:47:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
References: <72526857-899C-4245-B618-B3FB1D75D500.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <72526857-899C-4245-B618-B3FB1D75D500@btinternet.com>

?
Not sure it?s that simple: You have to factor-in and offset the balance of revenue raised to the major direct and indirect costs to the NHS as well as the emergency services of alcohol related crime/accidents/RTAs etc etc 

....I wouldn?t be surprised if they?re listening to some well reimbursed adviser to the government who has an interest in whatever he or she ?advises?

S
(Non political disclaimer) 

>> On 13 May 2020, at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units
>  
> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
>  
> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
> >
> > Graeme Wall
> >
> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed May 13 07:34:14 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 13:34:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, so I thought I'd better
start by making it clear that I am currently fit and well, not suffering
from the virus, or anything else, and therefore not (yet) in need of any
"get well soon" cards. It's just that Pat mentioned how one's drinking
might affect the NHS, and that got me thinking about how NHS staff affect
one's drinking ? and smoking too. Or not.

I try to do my bit for the country by contributing frequently to their
indirect taxation schemes. A few years ago, I was in hospital and
celebrating a successful operation by opening one of the bottles of wine I
had taken in. I had the glass to my lips when a passing nurse opened the
door and called across to ask what I was drinking. Sensing her disapproval
of alcohol, I said it was a form of fermented fruit juice. "Oh, that's all
right," she said. "It's just that it looked like a bottle of wine when I
glanced in." She left, I continued drinking and, just a minute later, a
doctor looked in and then opened the door. "I just wanted to say how much I
approve of what you are doing. If all our patients did that, this hospital
would be a much happier place." But whether or not it will change my life
expectancy for the better or worse, I haven't a clue. Nor do I care.

Although the price of cigarettes has gone through the roof, I still smoke.
So do many of the doctors who advise their patients to give up. When I told
one doctor that I did not want help to give up smoking as I enjoyed it so
much, he revealed that he understood because he, too, was a smoker. "I have
been told that I am obliged to offer you help," he explained. On the other
hand, a heart specialist told me never to take any medication designed to
help me stop smoking. "It's all rubbish," he said, "and it could make you
ill." He did not actually recommend smoking, but drinking was another
matter. "The best thing you can do for your heart is to be sure to drink
some alcohol each day without fail." I asked if he meant red wine, as I had
already heard that that could be beneficial. He said it didn't matter what
I had as long as it was alcoholic. So I now follow this medical advice very
carefully and, when any medical staff express concern about my drinking, I
tell them that I am following the instructions of a specialist. They never
feel inclined to argue with that.

Although smoking was officially banned in the hospital and its grounds, a
nurse who was a smoker told me of a room that they set aside for patients
to go and have a smoke. There was no heating or lighting, but it was
better than nothing. I was also told not to use another nearby room, as
that was the doctors' and nurses' own smoking room, and the doctors didn't
want patients to see them smoking. It reminds me of politicians who do not
currently follow the advice they give to others about social distancing.

KW

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage
> us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we
> drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate
> much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after
> us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
>
> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of
> gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and
> invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink
> in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it
> cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we
> should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
>
> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a
> cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a
> paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
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> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Units
>
>
>
> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted
> the advice to suit their particular political view.
>
>
>
> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>
>
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The
> original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too
> much and told them to reduce the figure.
>
> >
>
> > Graeme Wall
>
> >
>
> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no
> more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A
> tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many
> of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying
> ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter?
> Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave.
> PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>
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From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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I love Keith?s reply ? funny!
Worked on a medical story for Thames, years ago, one of the Docs featured was a chain smoker!
I believe that when your GP questions you as to how much alcohol you consume, they mentally double the figure you give them? So I never know whether to be totally truthful, or lie & halve it.
My Dad bought me a whisky in the pub on my eighteenth birthday, but I seldom drink spirits* these days.
My Dad was a heavy smoker, probably from the war experience, and died in hospital, fighting for breath. That to me, was a bloody good reason not to smoke.

*A long location in the Far East led to some serious gastric upsets for me, but two of my sound crew colleagues drank whisky of an evening and never suffered anything, so obviously scotch is a good preventative!
For your delectation and delight (as Lionel Sachs proclaimed in ?The Good Old Days?), I attach an article written for my film Journal about this Far East location.

Pat


 

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From: Keith Wicks
Sent: 13 May 2020 13:34
To: patheigham
Cc: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units

This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, so I thought I'd better start by making it clear that I am currently?fit and well, not suffering from the virus, or anything else, and therefore not (yet) in need of any "get well soon" cards. It's just that Pat mentioned how one's drinking might affect the NHS, and that got me thinking?about how NHS staff affect one's drinking ? and smoking too. Or not.

I try to do my bit for the country by contributing frequently to their indirect taxation schemes. A few years ago, I was in hospital and celebrating a successful operation by opening one of the bottles of wine I had taken in. I had the glass to my lips when a passing nurse opened the door and called across to ask what I was drinking. Sensing her disapproval of alcohol, I said it was a form of fermented fruit juice. "Oh, that's all right," she said. "It's just that it looked like a bottle of wine when I glanced in." She left, I continued drinking and, just a minute later, a doctor looked in and then opened the door. "I just wanted to say how much I approve of what you are?doing. If all our patients did that, this hospital would be a much happier place." But whether or not it will change my life expectancy for the better or worse, I haven't a clue. Nor do I care.

Although the price of cigarettes has gone through the roof, I still smoke. So do many of the doctors who advise their patients to give up. When I told one doctor that I did not want help to give?up smoking as I enjoyed it so much,?he revealed that he understood because he, too, was a smoker. "I have been told that I am obliged to offer you help," he explained. On the other hand, a heart specialist told me never to take any medication designed to help me stop smoking. "It's all rubbish," he said, "and it could make you ill." He did not actually recommend smoking, but drinking was another matter. "The best thing you can do for your heart is to be sure to drink some alcohol each day without fail." I asked if he meant red wine, as I had already?heard that that could be beneficial. He said it didn't matter what I had as long as it was alcoholic. So I now follow this medical advice very carefully and, when any?medical staff express concern about my drinking, I tell them that I am following the instructions of a specialist. They never feel inclined to argue with that.

Although smoking was officially?banned in the hospital and its?grounds, a nurse who was a smoker told me of a room that they set aside for patients to go and have a smoke. There was no heating or lighting, but it was better?than nothing. I was also told not to use another nearby room, as that was the doctors' and nurses' own smoking room, and the doctors didn't want patients to see them smoking. It reminds me of politicians who do not currently follow the advice they give to?others about social distancing.

KW

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering? us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units
?
So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
?
Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
?
Alan Taylor
?
> On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
> 
> Graeme Wall
> 
>> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 10:17:17 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:17:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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I wonder what the Liver specialist might say to all that?

I doubt these same specialists communicate with each other in deciding where to position you on the waiting list, should you ever need a transplant if you drink like a fish and smoke like an Austin Allegro with over 40k miles on its clock. 

S




> On 13 May 2020, at 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, so I thought I'd better start by making it clear that I am currently fit and well, not suffering from the virus, or anything else, and therefore not (yet) in need of any "get well soon" cards. It's just that Pat mentioned how one's drinking might affect the NHS, and that got me thinking about how NHS staff affect one's drinking ? and smoking too. Or not.
> 
> I try to do my bit for the country by contributing frequently to their indirect taxation schemes. A few years ago, I was in hospital and celebrating a successful operation by opening one of the bottles of wine I had taken in. I had the glass to my lips when a passing nurse opened the door and called across to ask what I was drinking. Sensing her disapproval of alcohol, I said it was a form of fermented fruit juice. "Oh, that's all right," she said. "It's just that it looked like a bottle of wine when I glanced in." She left, I continued drinking and, just a minute later, a doctor looked in and then opened the door. "I just wanted to say how much I approve of what you are doing. If all our patients did that, this hospital would be a much happier place." But whether or not it will change my life expectancy for the better or worse, I haven't a clue. Nor do I care.
> 
> Although the price of cigarettes has gone through the roof, I still smoke. So do many of the doctors who advise their patients to give up. When I told one doctor that I did not want help to give up smoking as I enjoyed it so much, he revealed that he understood because he, too, was a smoker. "I have been told that I am obliged to offer you help," he explained. On the other hand, a heart specialist told me never to take any medication designed to help me stop smoking. "It's all rubbish," he said, "and it could make you ill." He did not actually recommend smoking, but drinking was another matter. "The best thing you can do for your heart is to be sure to drink some alcohol each day without fail." I asked if he meant red wine, as I had already heard that that could be beneficial. He said it didn't matter what I had as long as it was alcoholic. So I now follow this medical advice very carefully and, when any medical staff express concern about my drinking, I tell them that I am following the instructions of a specialist. They never feel inclined to argue with that.
> 
> Although smoking was officially banned in the hospital and its grounds, a nurse who was a smoker told me of a room that they set aside for patients to go and have a smoke. There was no heating or lighting, but it was better than nothing. I was also told not to use another nearby room, as that was the doctors' and nurses' own smoking room, and the doctors didn't want patients to see them smoking. It reminds me of politicians who do not currently follow the advice they give to others about social distancing.
> 
> KW
> 
>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
>> 
>> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
>> 
>> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> > Graeme Wall
>> 
>> >
>> 
>> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> >>
>> 
>> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed May 13 10:46:03 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:46:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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On 13/05/2020 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, .....

Naturally if you ask anyone hooked on a particular drug they will defend 
it - and doctors and nurses under continual stress are renowned for not 
only smoking and drinking, but also frequently misusing many of the 
other drugs available to them. There were plenty who happily advertised 
the healthy effects of smoking in the earlier part of the C20th. The 
overwhelming evidence is that they were just plain wrong. They may have 
personally enjoyed smoking - fair game - but it didn't improve anyone's 
health.

Alcohol is confusing - small amounts ~might~ have a beneficial effect 
(perhaps because we have always consumed stuff that has been inherently 
fermented at low levels by natural yeasts). But large quantities are 
severely toxic and destroys your liver - slowly if you are lucky, 
quickly if you aren't.

Anecdotally many smokers, drinkers and even those on less legal (though 
often not actually any more harmful) substances, often survive into old 
age with acceptable health. But if you end up needing major medical 
interventions - lengthy anaesthesia, hefty chemo, invasive intensive 
care etc - then believe me, you want every organ you have working as 
well as it possibly can. It is bad enough having what are remarkably 
unpleasant poisons circulating inside you for (you hope) good reasons 
without adding yet more toxins.

That isn't an argument for puritanical abstinence, but it is one for 
underlying that one should be very aware of the penalties one may 
sometimes pay for certain pleasures.

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed May 13 10:46:30 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:46:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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?Pat, it?s obvious that Bond films have been high points of your career in films, and rightly so.
Because they are so far removed from what most of us have ever done, I?m sure a lot of people here would be interested to know which ones you worked on and what was your role?
Cheers,
Nick.
Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 13 May 2020, at 15:49, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I love Keith?s reply ? funny!
Worked on a medical story for Thames, years ago, one of the Docs featured was a chain smoker!
I believe that when your GP questions you as to how much alcohol you consume, they mentally double the figure you give them? So I never know whether to be totally truthful, or lie & halve it.
My Dad bought me a whisky in the pub on my eighteenth birthday, but I seldom drink spirits* these days.
My Dad was a heavy smoker, probably from the war experience, and died in hospital, fighting for breath. That to me, was a bloody good reason not to smoke.

*A long location in the Far East led to some serious gastric upsets for me, but two of my sound crew colleagues drank whisky of an evening and never suffered anything, so obviously scotch is a good preventative!
For your delectation and delight (as Lionel Sachs proclaimed in ?The Good Old Days?), I attach an article written for my film Journal about this Far East location.

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From dave at davesound.co.uk  Wed May 13 10:57:04 2020
From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 16:57:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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In article <3aa741f1-23a5-5e11-788b-725935f08b72 at chriswoolf.co.uk>,
   Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Alcohol is confusing - small amounts ~might~ have a beneficial effect 
> (perhaps because we have always consumed stuff that has been inherently 
> fermented at low levels by natural yeasts). But large quantities are 
> severely toxic and destroys your liver - slowly if you are lucky, 
> quickly if you aren't.

Think we all know several who have died from alcohol abuse. And maybe
others with damaged brains, too. It's said alcohol abuse can damage just
about every organ in the body. So actually more dangerous to health than
many illegal drugs. Not that I'd recommend those. ;-) 

As regards units, it's plain some can tolerate alcohol more than others.
But for safety, the limit is stated at the lower end.

-- 
*Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 11:32:33 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:32:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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?
?
?A question we often asked as innocent teenagers in the days when we knew nothing & life was simple was ?Which is worse for your health: Smoking or Drinking?

A local man, experienced in life who'd spent decades ?people watching? propped up in a working men?s club 7 days a week - a true wise man & visionary of his time in our small Welsh village- one day answered our question by asking us if we?d ever heard of the saying:

?If you fancy a Fag, go for a Drink?

In the end I think he tripped over and was run over by a bus (although it wasn?t clear if he?d been drinking previously)

Steve


>> On 13 May 2020, at 16:45, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> 
> 
> On 13/05/2020 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>> This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, .....
> Naturally if you ask anyone hooked on a particular drug they will defend it - and doctors and nurses under continual stress are renowned for not only smoking and drinking, but also frequently misusing many of the other drugs available to them. There were plenty who happily advertised the healthy effects of smoking in the earlier part of the C20th. The overwhelming evidence is that they were just plain wrong. They may have personally enjoyed smoking - fair game - but it didn't improve anyone's health.
> 
> Alcohol is confusing - small amounts ~might~ have a beneficial effect (perhaps because we have always consumed stuff that has been inherently fermented at low levels by natural yeasts). But large quantities are severely toxic and destroys your liver - slowly if you are lucky, quickly if you aren't.
> 
> Anecdotally many smokers, drinkers and even those on less legal (though often not actually any more harmful) substances, often survive into old age with acceptable health. But if you end up needing major medical interventions - lengthy anaesthesia, hefty chemo, invasive intensive care etc - then believe me, you want every organ you have working as well as it possibly can. It is bad enough having what are remarkably unpleasant poisons circulating inside you for (you hope) good reasons without adding yet more toxins.
> 
> That isn't an argument for puritanical abstinence, but it is one for underlying that one should be very aware of the penalties one may sometimes pay for certain pleasures.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 11:32:33 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:32:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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?
?
?A question we often asked as innocent teenagers in the days when we knew nothing & life was simple was ?Which is worse for your health: Smoking or Drinking?

A local man, experienced in life who'd spent decades ?people watching? propped up in a working men?s club 7 days a week - a true wise man & visionary of his time in our small Welsh village- one day answered our question by asking us if we?d ever heard of the saying:

?If you fancy a Fag, go for a Drink?

In the end I think he tripped over and was run over by a bus (although it wasn?t clear if he?d been drinking previously)

Steve


>> On 13 May 2020, at 16:45, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> 
> 
> On 13/05/2020 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>> This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, .....
> Naturally if you ask anyone hooked on a particular drug they will defend it - and doctors and nurses under continual stress are renowned for not only smoking and drinking, but also frequently misusing many of the other drugs available to them. There were plenty who happily advertised the healthy effects of smoking in the earlier part of the C20th. The overwhelming evidence is that they were just plain wrong. They may have personally enjoyed smoking - fair game - but it didn't improve anyone's health.
> 
> Alcohol is confusing - small amounts ~might~ have a beneficial effect (perhaps because we have always consumed stuff that has been inherently fermented at low levels by natural yeasts). But large quantities are severely toxic and destroys your liver - slowly if you are lucky, quickly if you aren't.
> 
> Anecdotally many smokers, drinkers and even those on less legal (though often not actually any more harmful) substances, often survive into old age with acceptable health. But if you end up needing major medical interventions - lengthy anaesthesia, hefty chemo, invasive intensive care etc - then believe me, you want every organ you have working as well as it possibly can. It is bad enough having what are remarkably unpleasant poisons circulating inside you for (you hope) good reasons without adding yet more toxins.
> 
> That isn't an argument for puritanical abstinence, but it is one for underlying that one should be very aware of the penalties one may sometimes pay for certain pleasures.
> 
> Chris Woolf
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed May 13 11:50:55 2020
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:50:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures
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Dave Jorgensen and I used to travel the K &A via roads. hHis home was in
Bristol. We never thought it would be restored to navigation so rapidly
given the challenge of the Devizes flight. We used to enjoy visiting the
pumping station too, and Limpey Stoke.

On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 18:18, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> My only real memories of the K&A was of spending long lunch hours in the
> pub at Kintbury ? right on the canal - whilst doing the links midpoint on
> Walbury Hill as relay for Newbury Racecourse.
> Oh it was a hard life in OBs.
>
> The path to London was about the longest we did so some bright spark
> suggested we do some tests with a HUGE dish. Unfortunately it was so big
> and heavy it broke the panning head.
> However a BBC waste bin wedged under got us out of trouble!
>
> [image: Walbury_Hill_BandV_tests_to_Swains_Lane_3]
>
> Mike
>
> *From:* Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2020 5:56 PM
> *To:* Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Walk Pictures
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> We borrowed Chester today (Tuesday).   I took him to the Kennet and Avon
> Canal at Aldermaston.
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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Wed May 13 11:56:08 2020
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:56:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] What to do in this lockdown
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Exactly my thoughts and practice regarding music and our daughters Pat.
They often remark on it and are doing the same thing with their kids now.

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 08:11, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> The late, and great, Richard Penniman, 'Little Richard'.
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>
>
> On 12 May 2020, at 22:17, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:
>
> ?I knew I had it somewhere - "The Preacher King of Rock'n'Roll"
>
>
> Guess who!
>
> Alasdair Lawrance
>
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>
>
>
> On 12 May 2020, at 22:14, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I have recently started to listen again to my library of CD?s.
>
> One collection is the Time-Life of The Swing Era, a multi-disc set of
> re-recorded versions of the Big Bands era of 1930-40.
>
> They are superb recordings and mostly conducted by Billy May. On some of
> the tracks are the original musicians!
>
> Worth a listen and I can?t wait to organise a party for my similarly aged
> friends and play the music!
>
> One friend was so heavily into classical music that I took pity on his
> daughter and played her some Fire House Five (a Jazz band who were Disney?s
> animators) She loved them as : ?It?s happy music!?
>
> I was gratified, as staying with them later, I discovered a 3-CD
> collection of the said Fire House Five on her shelf!
>
> I?m a believer in children being exposed to all sorts of music ? they can
> then make up their own minds as to what they prefer.
>
> Pat
>
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May 13 13:14:35 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:14:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More words of wisdom!
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MORE GOOD READING TO START YOUR DAY
> *Some old, some new.*
> People keep asking ?is coronavirus really that serious??? Listen up! 
> Casinos and churches are closed. When heaven and hell agree on the 
> same thing, it?s probably pretty serious!
> Shout out to all the parents who never taught their kids respect and 
> now they?re stuck at home with the little shits!!!
> The longer this goes on the harder it will be to return to a society 
> where pants and bras are required.
> Cops these days will be like?come out with your hands washed!
> I?m as bored as an Amish electrician!
> Homeschooling Update: My child just said I hope I don?t have the same 
> teacher next year!
> Never in my whole life would I imagine my hands would consume more 
> alcohol than my mouth!
> And just like that?having a mask, rubber gloves, duct tape, plastic 
> sheeting and rope in your trunk is OK.
> Ask not what staying home on the couch can do for you, but staying 
> home on the couch can do for your country.
> 50 million children being homeschooled by gun owning parents and not 
> one single school mass shooting. Arming teachers works!!!
> Police confront nudist sunbathers over not wearing facemasks amid 
> coronavirus outbreak.
> Ladies?time to start dating the older dudes. They can get you into the 
> grocery store early.
> I don?t like the fact that my chances of survival seem to be linked to 
> the common sense of others.
> I can?t believe I can walk into a store to buy weed, but I have to 
> meet my hairdresser in a dark alley with unmarked bills to get a haircut!
> Have to say that the Class of 2020 outdid themselves with Senior Skip 
> Day this year!
> Not to brag, but I haven?t been late for anything for the past 41days!
> Sitting at the bar in the kitchen at night. Tried to pick up my wife. 
> She gave me a fake phone number. WTH?
> It?s been a blessing being home with the wife for three weeks now 
> We?ve caught up on everything I?ve done wrong for fifteen years.
> Have you noticed that since beauty salons are closed, selfies are down 
> 68%?
> Breaking News: Wearing a mask inside your home is now highly 
> recommended. Not so much to prevent coronavirus, but to stop eating.
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed May 13 19:46:50 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 01:46:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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I think Steve Edwards is right to suspect that specialists have different
opinions about how to treat patients. I've found that they do communicate
with each other but, in my case at least, it all came down to "patient's
choice". Presumably so that the specialists didn't have to take the blame
should the patient suffer. (For clarity, I'll just mention that, although
there were many years when I did drink and smoke to great excess, it's now
a case of "everything in moderation".)

On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 16:17, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I wonder what the Liver specialist might say to all that?
>

> I doubt these same specialists communicate with each other in deciding
> where to position you on the waiting list, should you ever need a
> transplant if you drink like a fish and smoke like an Austin Allegro with
> over 40k miles on its clock.
>
> S

I've found that the main concerns of many (perhaps most) medical
specialists are their own departments and jobs. So they are not
particularly concerned what specialists from other departments think. Some
time ago, I was being treated for a serious illness with a course of
powerful drugs. A day or two after one of the the weekly treatments, I
suffered from a rare side-effect and was quickly taken to A&E, hardly able
to breathe or move. But a week of treatment got me back to my then "normal"
state of health. I later found I had been extremely lucky as only 50% of
people suffering that side-effect manage to survive. I was then told by the
team treating my original illness that it was "vital" to carry on with the
course of weekly treatments. However, a specialist in another department
told me it was "vital" that I stopped the treatments. When pressed, they
both clarified that, by "vital," they meant necessary to continue living.
It seemed that neither department wanted to have a death to account for, so
they each gave what they regarded to be the safest advice they could. I
think it's to do with government targets for the health service. No one was
willing to advise me on what was the best thing for *me* to do, just what
was the best for their department. In the end, I decided not to continue
with the drug treatment, and I was again very lucky because all has been OK
since.

I'll just quickly mention that almost every time I go to the GP with some
minor complaint, I am offered a prescription, and I can usually have repeat
prescriptions automatically later. Some time ago, I found that I was taking
several drugs daily, but feeling very weak. An internet search for each
drug with the word "problem" led me to some interesting comments. It's hard
sorting out fact from fiction, but I was alarmed enough to decide to stop
taking all drugs (probably a total of about five). Within two days, I was
feeling extremely fit and well again ? the best I had been for a long time.
So now I try to avoid going to the GP (except for things like flu jabs),
and I avoid never-ending courses of drugs designed to get rid of various
symptoms.
KW

> On 13 May 2020, at 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, so I thought I'd better
> start by making it clear that I am currently fit and well, not suffering
> from the virus, or anything else, and therefore not (yet) in need of any
> "get well soon" cards. It's just that Pat mentioned how one's drinking
> might affect the NHS, and that got me thinking about how NHS staff affect
> one's drinking ? and smoking too. Or not.
>
> I try to do my bit for the country by contributing frequently to their
> indirect taxation schemes. A few years ago, I was in hospital and
> celebrating a successful operation by opening one of the bottles of wine I
> had taken in. I had the glass to my lips when a passing nurse opened the
> door and called across to ask what I was drinking. Sensing her disapproval
> of alcohol, I said it was a form of fermented fruit juice. "Oh, that's all
> right," she said. "It's just that it looked like a bottle of wine when I
> glanced in." She left, I continued drinking and, just a minute later, a
> doctor looked in and then opened the door. "I just wanted to say how much I
> approve of what you are doing. If all our patients did that, this hospital
> would be a much happier place." But whether or not it will change my life
> expectancy for the better or worse, I haven't a clue. Nor do I care.
>
> Although the price of cigarettes has gone through the roof, I still smoke.
> So do many of the doctors who advise their patients to give up. When I told
> one doctor that I did not want help to give up smoking as I enjoyed it so
> much, he revealed that he understood because he, too, was a smoker. "I have
> been told that I am obliged to offer you help," he explained. On the other
> hand, a heart specialist told me never to take any medication designed to
> help me stop smoking. "It's all rubbish," he said, "and it could make you
> ill." He did not actually recommend smoking, but drinking was another
> matter. "The best thing you can do for your heart is to be sure to drink
> some alcohol each day without fail." I asked if he meant red wine, as I had
> already heard that that could be beneficial. He said it didn't matter what
> I had as long as it was alcoholic. So I now follow this medical advice very
> carefully and, when any medical staff express concern about my drinking, I
> tell them that I am following the instructions of a specialist. They never
> feel inclined to argue with that.
>
> Although smoking was officially banned in the hospital and its grounds, a
> nurse who was a smoker told me of a room that they set aside for patients
> to go and have a smoke. There was no heating or lighting, but it was
> better than nothing. I was also told not to use another nearby room, as
> that was the doctors' and nurses' own smoking room, and the doctors didn't
> want patients to see them smoking. It reminds me of politicians who do not
> currently follow the advice they give to others about social distancing.
>
> KW
>
> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage
>> us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we
>> drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate
>> much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after
>> us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
>>
>> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle
>> of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and
>> invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink
>> in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it
>> cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we
>> should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
>>
>> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a
>> cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a
>> paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *13 May 2020 11:25
>> *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Units
>>
>>
>>
>> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted
>> the advice to suit their particular political view.
>>
>>
>>
>> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The
>> original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too
>> much and told them to reduce the figure.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Graeme Wall
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no
>> more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A
>> tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many
>> of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying
>> ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter?
>> Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave.
>> PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>>
>>
>>
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 14 03:30:55 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 09:30:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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?
?
It is fairly clear Fags or Booze will ultimately have an effect on ones health.  Perhaps the effects of excessive smoking could be offset by drinking, as the blood would be thinned to ensure the narrowing blood vessels don?t get blocked?
(No I?m not a Dr) 

Since the 70s, when a staggering. 1 in 3 adults smoked their Embassy No 1s, a glass a wine after a meal seems the new norm.  

Nobody has the answers but thinking about this (instead I should be digging a trench for a major water leak with no time spare for thinking and typing emails) we never needed alcohol or tobacco in our childhood so do we really need it as adults?

Sadly, I?ve lost many relatives and friends who?s lives were taken following their many years consumption of fags or booze. 
I?ve never heard of anyone needing an organ transplant following an addiction to Brussel Sprouts. 

I don?t expect everyone reading this to necessarily share my view but after carefully considering this since I first became a vegetarian, I have concluded that I am far more effective Alive, rather than Dead. 
(I wouldn?t put that out to a Vote)

Steve



>> On 14 May 2020, at 01:47, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?
> I think Steve Edwards is right to suspect that specialists have different opinions about how to treat patients. I've found that they do communicate with each other but, in my case at least, it all came down to "patient's choice". Presumably so that the specialists didn't have to take the blame should the patient suffer. (For clarity, I'll just mention that, although there were many years when I did drink and smoke to great excess, it's now a case of "everything in moderation".)
> 
>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 16:17, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I wonder what the Liver specialist might say to all that?
>> 
>> I doubt these same specialists communicate with each other in deciding where to position you on the waiting list, should you ever need a transplant if you drink like a fish and smoke like an Austin Allegro with over 40k miles on its clock. 
> 
> S
> 
> I've found that the main concerns of many (perhaps most) medical specialists are their own departments and jobs. So they are not particularly concerned what specialists from other departments think. Some time ago, I was being treated for a serious illness with a course of powerful drugs. A day or two after one of the the weekly treatments, I suffered from a rare side-effect and was quickly taken to A&E, hardly able to breathe or move. But a week of treatment got me back to my then "normal" state of health. I later found I had been extremely lucky as only 50% of people suffering that side-effect manage to survive. I was then told by the team treating my original illness that it was "vital" to carry on with the course of weekly treatments. However, a specialist in another department told me it was "vital" that I stopped the treatments. When pressed, they both clarified that, by "vital," they meant necessary to continue living. It seemed that neither department wanted to have a death to account for, so they each gave what they regarded to be the safest advice they could. I think it's to do with government targets for the health service. No one was willing to advise me on what was the best thing for me to do, just what was the best for their department. In the end, I decided not to continue with the drug treatment, and I was again very lucky because all has been OK since. 
> 
> I'll just quickly mention that almost every time I go to the GP with some minor complaint, I am offered a prescription, and I can usually have repeat prescriptions automatically later. Some time ago, I found that I was taking several drugs daily, but feeling very weak. An internet search for each drug with the word "problem" led me to some interesting comments. It's hard sorting out fact from fiction, but I was alarmed enough to decide to stop taking all drugs (probably a total of about five). Within two days, I was feeling extremely fit and well again ? the best I had been for a long time. So now I try to avoid going to the GP (except for things like flu jabs), and I avoid never-ending courses of drugs designed to get rid of various symptoms.
> KW
>>>>> On 13 May 2020, at 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, so I thought I'd better start by making it clear that I am currently fit and well, not suffering from the virus, or anything else, and therefore not (yet) in need of any "get well soon" cards. It's just that Pat mentioned how one's drinking might affect the NHS, and that got me thinking about how NHS staff affect one's drinking ? and smoking too. Or not.
>>>> 
>>>> I try to do my bit for the country by contributing frequently to their indirect taxation schemes. A few years ago, I was in hospital and celebrating a successful operation by opening one of the bottles of wine I had taken in. I had the glass to my lips when a passing nurse opened the door and called across to ask what I was drinking. Sensing her disapproval of alcohol, I said it was a form of fermented fruit juice. "Oh, that's all right," she said. "It's just that it looked like a bottle of wine when I glanced in." She left, I continued drinking and, just a minute later, a doctor looked in and then opened the door. "I just wanted to say how much I approve of what you are doing. If all our patients did that, this hospital would be a much happier place." But whether or not it will change my life expectancy for the better or worse, I haven't a clue. Nor do I care.
>>>> 
>>>> Although the price of cigarettes has gone through the roof, I still smoke. So do many of the doctors who advise their patients to give up. When I told one doctor that I did not want help to give up smoking as I enjoyed it so much, he revealed that he understood because he, too, was a smoker. "I have been told that I am obliged to offer you help," he explained. On the other hand, a heart specialist told me never to take any medication designed to help me stop smoking. "It's all rubbish," he said, "and it could make you ill." He did not actually recommend smoking, but drinking was another matter. "The best thing you can do for your heart is to be sure to drink some alcohol each day without fail." I asked if he meant red wine, as I had already heard that that could be beneficial. He said it didn't matter what I had as long as it was alcoholic. So I now follow this medical advice very carefully and, when any medical staff express concern about my drinking, I tell them that I am following the instructions of a specialist. They never feel inclined to argue with that.
>>>> 
>>>> Although smoking was officially banned in the hospital and its grounds, a nurse who was a smoker told me of a room that they set aside for patients to go and have a smoke. There was no heating or lighting, but it was better than nothing. I was also told not to use another nearby room, as that was the doctors' and nurses' own smoking room, and the doctors didn't want patients to see them smoking. It reminds me of politicians who do not currently follow the advice they give to others about social distancing.
>>> KW
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
>>>> 
>>>> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
>>>> 
>>>> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
>>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> > Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >>
>>>> 
>>>> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>>>> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 14 03:30:55 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 09:30:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Units
References: <DDAD1636-0B31-48B1-A56A-A0D4F4D5536F.ref@btinternet.com>
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?
?
It is fairly clear Fags or Booze will ultimately have an effect on ones health.  Perhaps the effects of excessive smoking could be offset by drinking, as the blood would be thinned to ensure the narrowing blood vessels don?t get blocked?
(No I?m not a Dr) 

Since the 70s, when a staggering. 1 in 3 adults smoked their Embassy No 1s, a glass a wine after a meal seems the new norm.  

Nobody has the answers but thinking about this (instead I should be digging a trench for a major water leak with no time spare for thinking and typing emails) we never needed alcohol or tobacco in our childhood so do we really need it as adults?

Sadly, I?ve lost many relatives and friends who?s lives were taken following their many years consumption of fags or booze. 
I?ve never heard of anyone needing an organ transplant following an addiction to Brussel Sprouts. 

I don?t expect everyone reading this to necessarily share my view but after carefully considering this since I first became a vegetarian, I have concluded that I am far more effective Alive, rather than Dead. 
(I wouldn?t put that out to a Vote)

Steve



>> On 14 May 2020, at 01:47, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?
> I think Steve Edwards is right to suspect that specialists have different opinions about how to treat patients. I've found that they do communicate with each other but, in my case at least, it all came down to "patient's choice". Presumably so that the specialists didn't have to take the blame should the patient suffer. (For clarity, I'll just mention that, although there were many years when I did drink and smoke to great excess, it's now a case of "everything in moderation".)
> 
>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 16:17, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> I wonder what the Liver specialist might say to all that?
>> 
>> I doubt these same specialists communicate with each other in deciding where to position you on the waiting list, should you ever need a transplant if you drink like a fish and smoke like an Austin Allegro with over 40k miles on its clock. 
> 
> S
> 
> I've found that the main concerns of many (perhaps most) medical specialists are their own departments and jobs. So they are not particularly concerned what specialists from other departments think. Some time ago, I was being treated for a serious illness with a course of powerful drugs. A day or two after one of the the weekly treatments, I suffered from a rare side-effect and was quickly taken to A&E, hardly able to breathe or move. But a week of treatment got me back to my then "normal" state of health. I later found I had been extremely lucky as only 50% of people suffering that side-effect manage to survive. I was then told by the team treating my original illness that it was "vital" to carry on with the course of weekly treatments. However, a specialist in another department told me it was "vital" that I stopped the treatments. When pressed, they both clarified that, by "vital," they meant necessary to continue living. It seemed that neither department wanted to have a death to account for, so they each gave what they regarded to be the safest advice they could. I think it's to do with government targets for the health service. No one was willing to advise me on what was the best thing for me to do, just what was the best for their department. In the end, I decided not to continue with the drug treatment, and I was again very lucky because all has been OK since. 
> 
> I'll just quickly mention that almost every time I go to the GP with some minor complaint, I am offered a prescription, and I can usually have repeat prescriptions automatically later. Some time ago, I found that I was taking several drugs daily, but feeling very weak. An internet search for each drug with the word "problem" led me to some interesting comments. It's hard sorting out fact from fiction, but I was alarmed enough to decide to stop taking all drugs (probably a total of about five). Within two days, I was feeling extremely fit and well again ? the best I had been for a long time. So now I try to avoid going to the GP (except for things like flu jabs), and I avoid never-ending courses of drugs designed to get rid of various symptoms.
> KW
>>>>> On 13 May 2020, at 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, so I thought I'd better start by making it clear that I am currently fit and well, not suffering from the virus, or anything else, and therefore not (yet) in need of any "get well soon" cards. It's just that Pat mentioned how one's drinking might affect the NHS, and that got me thinking about how NHS staff affect one's drinking ? and smoking too. Or not.
>>>> 
>>>> I try to do my bit for the country by contributing frequently to their indirect taxation schemes. A few years ago, I was in hospital and celebrating a successful operation by opening one of the bottles of wine I had taken in. I had the glass to my lips when a passing nurse opened the door and called across to ask what I was drinking. Sensing her disapproval of alcohol, I said it was a form of fermented fruit juice. "Oh, that's all right," she said. "It's just that it looked like a bottle of wine when I glanced in." She left, I continued drinking and, just a minute later, a doctor looked in and then opened the door. "I just wanted to say how much I approve of what you are doing. If all our patients did that, this hospital would be a much happier place." But whether or not it will change my life expectancy for the better or worse, I haven't a clue. Nor do I care.
>>>> 
>>>> Although the price of cigarettes has gone through the roof, I still smoke. So do many of the doctors who advise their patients to give up. When I told one doctor that I did not want help to give up smoking as I enjoyed it so much, he revealed that he understood because he, too, was a smoker. "I have been told that I am obliged to offer you help," he explained. On the other hand, a heart specialist told me never to take any medication designed to help me stop smoking. "It's all rubbish," he said, "and it could make you ill." He did not actually recommend smoking, but drinking was another matter. "The best thing you can do for your heart is to be sure to drink some alcohol each day without fail." I asked if he meant red wine, as I had already heard that that could be beneficial. He said it didn't matter what I had as long as it was alcoholic. So I now follow this medical advice very carefully and, when any medical staff express concern about my drinking, I tell them that I am following the instructions of a specialist. They never feel inclined to argue with that.
>>>> 
>>>> Although smoking was officially banned in the hospital and its grounds, a nurse who was a smoker told me of a room that they set aside for patients to go and have a smoke. There was no heating or lighting, but it was better than nothing. I was also told not to use another nearby room, as that was the doctors' and nurses' own smoking room, and the doctors didn't want patients to see them smoking. It reminds me of politicians who do not currently follow the advice they give to others about social distancing.
>>> KW
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!
>>>> 
>>>> In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering  us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!
>>>> 
>>>> I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
>>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> > On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> > ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> > Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>>> >> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> >>
>>>> 
>>>> >> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  	
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Thu May 14 05:18:36 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
Message-ID: <000201d629d9$078ab060$16a01120$@soundsuper.co.uk>

I really hope this doesn't happen..

 

https://www.cityam.com/bbc-four-faces-closure-as-tv-bosses-battle-125m-covid
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May 14 05:29:46 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:29:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
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Frankly, there wouldn?t be much point in me having a TV if that happened.

Graeme Wall

> On 14 May 2020, at 11:19, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I really hope this doesn?t happen??
>  
> https://www.cityam.com/bbc-four-faces-closure-as-tv-bosses-battle-125m-covid-19-shortfall/
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 14 05:33:43 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:33:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV Licencing
Message-ID: <a78d655d-4a3b-950d-88b2-fc3808018c57@gmail.com>

I've had several of those fake "Time to renew" emails in the past few 
days. I assume the licencing system has been hacked, as I know I'm not 
the only one. I got the licence, which is on standing order, yesterday.

This is actually a recommendation for Thunderbird.? It always show you 
the actual sender so you can check instantly -



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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu May 14 05:39:14 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 11:39:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu May 14 06:59:01 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 12:59:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
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Let's all join in the race to the bottom!

I'm fascinated that this rag thinks BBC4 is "highbrow".  What do they think is "lowbrow"?

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 14 May 2020, at 11:19, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I really hope this doesn?t happen??
>  
> https://www.cityam.com/bbc-four-faces-closure-as-tv-bosses-battle-125m-covid-19-shortfall/
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu May 14 07:40:28 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 13:40:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
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Yes we certainly don?t want this to happen although at the moment BBC4 is mainly (very good) repeats.

Very good article in Guardian ? copied here to make more easily readable.

Mike

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BBC Covid-19 reporting has saved licence fee ? ITV chair 
?The nation has relied on [the BBC] in a crisis, as it has so many times before? Sir Peter Bazalgette
ITV?s non-executive chair

The coronavirus crisis may have saved the BBC licence fee because the broadcaster has demonstrated its value in a crisis, ITV?s chairman said yesterday. 

Sir Peter Bazalgette said he expects the Conservative party will rethink its threats to revise the broadcaster?s settlement because the BBC has demonstrated how regulated broadcasters deliver the demand for safe, reliable information that unregulated social media cannot. He described the Tory aggression towards the BBC as ?priapic? at times after it won the election with threats made to its future funding and calls for it to be turned into a subscription service. 

?I think the value of the BBC particularly ? and the way the nation has relied on it in a crisis, as it has so many times before, will make them think again,? he said. 

?I think that licence fee settlement will be, I?m not saying it?ll go up necessarily, but it should be at a level where it means that the long term cuts internally ? don?t have to be quite as brutal,? he said speaking at a webinar hosted by Peter Mandelson?s consultancy Global Counsel. 

Sarah Sands, editor of the Radio 4 Today programme, which was boycotted by the Tories after the general election, told the same forum that the BBC?s place at the heart of the nation had been restored. 
More than seven in 10 of the TV audience at that time watched Boris Johnson?s address to the nation on Sunday night, she said. 

She said Conservatives had come back to Today, ?quickly realising that all the characteristics of the programme which they were complaining about ? too many experts; too many academics and not demotic enough for them; suddenly actually became a great virtue [for them]?. 

Bazalgette said the BBC?s financial position was stronger than any other public service broadcaster with the advertising downturn at its commercial rivals ?the worst in the history of commercial TV?. 

He said they could return to financial strength as they simultaneously deliver mass audiences that online services cannot along with ?brand equity? and reputation. 

Bazalgette also urged the government to review legislation to force Apple and Amazon to promote public service broadcasters? content. 


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From: Robert Miles via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:18 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing

I really hope this doesn?t happen??

 

https://www.cityam.com/bbc-four-faces-closure-as-tv-bosses-battle-125m-covid-19-shortfall/



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May 14 11:18:57 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 17:18:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today's unlimited exercise!
Message-ID: <DA375502-3B04-4DA0-A4AA-233E3BB7E4D9@icloud.com>

Saw this as I was passing the Guildford hospital car park, not seen it before.

A new take on Bridge Rail?
? 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu May 14 11:30:15 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 16:30:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Units
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 How to avoid the virus. Wear a mask, and smother the outside of the mask with that hand-sanitiser gel. That way, you'll be inhaling alcohol fumes all day, and you won't have to worry about going for a drink, either!
luv, Rog.
    On Thursday, 14 May 2020, 09:31:35 BST, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 ??It is fairly clear Fags or Booze will ultimately have an effect on ones health. ?Perhaps the effects of excessive smoking could be offset by drinking, as the blood would be thinned to ensure the narrowing blood vessels don?t get blocked?(No I?m not a Dr)?
Since the 70s, when a staggering. 1 in 3 adults smoked their Embassy No 1s, a glass a wine after a meal seems the new norm. ?
Nobody has the answers but thinking about this (instead I should be digging a trench for a major water leak with no time spare for thinking and typing emails) we never needed alcohol or tobacco in our childhood so do we really need it as adults?
Sadly, I?ve lost many relatives and friends who?s lives were taken following their many years consumption of fags or booze.?I?ve never heard of anyone needing an organ transplant following an addiction to Brussel Sprouts.?
I don?t expect everyone reading this to necessarily share my view but after carefully considering this since I first became a vegetarian, I have concluded that I am far more effective Alive, rather than Dead.?(I wouldn?t put that out to a Vote)
Steve



On 14 May 2020, at 01:47, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:



?I think Steve Edwards is right to suspect that specialists have different opinions about how to treat patients. I've found that they do communicate with each other but, in my case at least, it all came down to "patient's choice". Presumably so that the?specialists didn't have to take the blame should?the patient suffer. (For clarity, I'll just mention that, although there were many years when I did drink and smoke to great excess, it's now a case of "everything in moderation".)
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 16:17, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I wonder what the Liver specialist might say to all that?


I doubt these same specialists communicate with each other in deciding where to position you on the waiting list, should you ever need a transplant if you drink like a fish and smoke like an Austin Allegro with over 40k miles on its clock.?

S
I've found that the main concerns of many (perhaps most) medical specialists are their own departments and jobs. So they are not particularly concerned what?specialists from other departments think. Some time ago, I was being treated for a serious illness with a course of powerful drugs. A day or two after one of the the weekly treatments, I suffered from a rare side-effect and was quickly taken to A&E, hardly able to breathe or move. But a week of treatment got me back to my then "normal" state of health. I later found I had been extremely lucky as only 50% of people suffering that side-effect manage to survive. I was then told by the team treating my original illness that it was "vital" to?carry on with the course of weekly treatments. However, a specialist in another department told me it was "vital" that I stopped the treatments. When pressed, they both clarified that, by "vital," they meant necessary to continue living. It seemed that neither department wanted to have a death to account for, so they each gave what they regarded to be the safest advice they could. I think it's to do with government targets for the?health service. No one was willing to advise me on what was the best thing for me to do,?just what was the best for their?department. In the end, I decided not to continue with the drug treatment, and I was again very lucky because all has been OK since.?
I'll just quickly mention that almost every time I go to the GP with some minor complaint, I am offered a prescription, and I can usually have repeat prescriptions automatically later. Some time ago, I found that I was taking several drugs daily, but feeling very weak. An internet search for each drug with the word "problem" led me to some interesting comments. It's hard sorting out fact from fiction, but I was alarmed enough to decide to stop taking all drugs (probably a total of about five). Within two days, I was feeling extremely fit and well again ? the best I had been for a long time. So now I try to avoid going to the GP (except for things like flu jabs), and I avoid never-ending courses of drugs designed to get rid of various symptoms.KW

On 13 May 2020, at 13:34, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


This is about drinking and smoking in hospital, so I thought I'd better start by making it clear that I am currently?fit and well, not suffering from the virus, or anything else, and therefore not (yet) in need of any "get well soon" cards. It's just that Pat mentioned how one's drinking might affect the NHS, and that got me thinking?about how NHS staff affect one's drinking ? and smoking too. Or not.
I try to do my bit for the country by contributing frequently to their indirect taxation schemes. A few years ago, I was in hospital and celebrating a successful operation by opening one of the bottles of wine I had taken in. I had the glass to my lips when a passing nurse opened the door and called across to ask what I was drinking. Sensing her disapproval of alcohol, I said it was a form of fermented fruit juice. "Oh, that's all right," she said. "It's just that it looked like a bottle of wine when I glanced in." She left, I continued drinking and, just a minute later, a doctor looked in and then opened the door. "I just wanted to say how much I approve of what you are?doing. If all our patients did that, this hospital would be a much happier place." But whether or not it will change my life expectancy for the better or worse, I haven't a clue. Nor do I care.
Although the price of cigarettes has gone through the roof, I still smoke. So do many of the doctors who advise their patients to give up. When I told one doctor that I did not want help to give?up smoking as I enjoyed it so much,?he revealed that he understood because he, too, was a smoker. "I have been told that I am obliged to offer you help," he explained. On the other hand, a heart specialist told me never to take any medication designed to help me stop smoking. "It's all rubbish," he said, "and it could make you ill." He did not actually recommend smoking, but drinking was another matter. "The best thing you can do for your heart is to be sure to drink some alcohol each day without fail." I asked if he meant red wine, as I had already?heard that that could be beneficial. He said it didn't matter what I had as long as it was alcoholic. So I now follow this medical advice very carefully and, when any?medical staff express concern about my drinking, I tell them that I am following the instructions of a specialist. They never feel inclined to argue with that.
Although smoking was officially?banned in the hospital and its?grounds, a nurse who was a smoker told me of a room that they set aside for patients to go and have a smoke. There was no heating or lighting, but it was better?than nothing. I was also told not to use another nearby room, as that was the doctors' and nurses' own smoking room, and the doctors didn't want patients to see them smoking. It reminds me of politicians who do not currently follow the advice they give to?others about social distancing.



KW
On Wed, 13 May 2020 at 12:19, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


I would have thought that it?s in the Government?s interest to encourage us to buy more wine and beer, as the VAT coffers get filled up. And if we drink ourselves into an early demise, they get their hands on our estate much quicker (death duties/inheritance tax). Plus the cost of looking after us in NHS hospitals would decrease, as we wouldn?t be there very long!

In the very old days, gin was incredibly cheap, but the tax on a bottle of gin nowadays is extortionate. A friend was a serving Naval officer and invited a few of us on board his ship in Portsmouth. Offering? us a drink in the wardroom on his tab, we all went for beers, thinking to keep it cheap. He grumbled that beer was the most expensive on the bar tariff, we should have opted for G & T, as spirits were duty free, even in port!

I do enjoy wine, probably too much, thus bolstering the opinion of a cameraman I used to work with - whenever he spied a wino drinking from a paper bag wrapped bottle, would remark: ?Another ex-soundman?.

Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 13 May 2020 11:25
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Units

?

So even back then, when they were given scientific advice, they distorted the advice to suit their particular political view.

?

Why am I not the slightest bit surprised?

?

Alan Taylor

?

> On 13 May 2020, at 10:58, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> 

> ?According to author Pete Brown in his book Man Went Into a Pub, The original medical advice was even higher but the politicians said it was too much and told them to reduce the figure.

> 

> Graeme Wall

> 

>> On 13 May 2020, at 00:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>> 

>> ?The government medical advise on alcohol consumption for men is no more than 14 units per week - i.e. half of what it originally announced. A tin of Polish beer is 3 units and a bottle of Shiraz is about 13 which many of us can easily do every night! So, are we all in danger of enjoying ourselves and will not live as long as tee-totallers, and does it matter? Answers on a post-card please, or e-mail if you insist! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS. It was a very nice Shiraz!

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Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 18:00:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
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 The same might be said of Tory attitudes to the NHS. No one is now saying, 'Private Health Care good, NHS bad', or, 'Don't worry, free-market forces will cure all our problems'. Suddenly, even Boris, for all his wealth, had to turn to the NHS.

    On Thursday, 14 May 2020, 13:40:58 BST, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Yes we certainly don?t want this to happen although at the moment BBC4 is mainly (very good) repeats.?Very good article in Guardian ? copied here to make more easily readable.?Mike?----------------------------------------------------------------------
BBC Covid-19 reporting has saved licence fee ? ITV chair 

?The nation has relied on [the BBC] in a crisis, as it has so many times before? Sir Peter Bazalgette
ITV?s non-executive chair

The coronavirus crisis may have saved the BBC licence fee because the broadcaster has demonstrated its value in a crisis, ITV?s chairman said yesterday. 

Sir Peter Bazalgette said he expects the Conservative party will rethink its threats to revise the broadcaster?s settlement because the BBC has demonstrated how regulated broadcasters deliver the demand for safe, reliable information that unregulated social media cannot. He described the Tory aggression towards the BBC as ?priapic? at times after it won the election with threats made to its future funding and calls for it to be turned into a subscription service. 

?I think the value of the BBC particularly ? and the way the nation has relied on it in a crisis, as it has so many times before, will make them think again,? he said. 

?I think that licence fee settlement will be, I?m not saying it?ll go up necessarily, but it should be at a level where it means that the long term cuts internally ? don?t have to be quite as brutal,? he said speaking at a webinar hosted by Peter Mandelson?s consultancy Global Counsel. 

Sarah Sands, editor of the Radio 4 Today programme, which was boycotted by the Tories after the general election, told the same forum that the BBC?s place at the heart of the nation had been restored. 

More than seven in 10 of the TV audience at that time watched Boris Johnson?s address to the nation on Sunday night, she said. 

She said Conservatives had come back to Today, ?quickly realising that all the characteristics of the programme which they were complaining about ? too many experts; too many academics and not demotic enough for them; suddenly actually became a great virtue [for them]?. 

Bazalgette said the BBC?s financial position was stronger than any other public service broadcaster with the advertising downturn at its commercial rivals ?the worst in the history of commercial TV?. 

He said they could return to financial strength as they simultaneously deliver mass audiences that online services cannot along with ?brand equity? and reputation. 

Bazalgette also urged the government to review legislation to force Apple and Amazon to promote public service broadcasters? content. 
?-------------------------------------------------------------------------------?From: Robert Miles via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:18 AMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing?
I really hope this doesn?t happen??
 
 ?

https://www.cityam.com/bbc-four-faces-closure-as-tv-bosses-battle-125m-covid-19-shortfall/
 

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu May 14 13:28:15 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 19:28:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
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There was a very good article by Matthew d'Ancona in last week's New European, considering options for 'reforming' the BBC, which has all changed now with this pandemic.

A convincing argument against a subscriber model has been made by John Whittingdale.  Now known as "The Whittingdale Objection", it goes like this - 

'Since Freeview does not have the technological ability to withhold BBC channels from  non-subscribers, it would have to be switched off entirely under the (Dominic) Cummings proposals, thus effectively denying millions of families access to television'

Coupled with the trust that many people show the organisation in getting information in the current climate, that is quite an argument from a one-time Thatcherite head-banger.  I'm sure some in this group know more than I do about how this might be overcome, (yet another STB?).  I thought it was interesting, anyway.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 14 May 2020, at 19:01, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The same might be said of Tory attitudes to the NHS. No one is now saying, 'Private Health Care good, NHS bad', or, 'Don't worry, free-market forces will cure all our problems'. Suddenly, even Boris, for all his wealth, had to turn to the NHS.
> 
> 
> On Thursday, 14 May 2020, 13:40:58 BST, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes we certainly don?t want this to happen although at the moment BBC4 is mainly (very good) repeats.
>  
> Very good article in Guardian ? copied here to make more easily readable.
>  
> Mike
>  
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> BBC Covid-19 reporting has saved licence fee ? ITV chair
> ?The nation has relied on [the BBC] in a crisis, as it has so many times before? Sir Peter Bazalgette
> ITV?s non-executive chair
> 
> The coronavirus crisis may have saved the BBC licence fee because the broadcaster has demonstrated its value in a crisis, ITV?s chairman said yesterday.
> Sir Peter Bazalgette said he expects the Conservative party will rethink its threats to revise the broadcaster?s settlement because the BBC has demonstrated how regulated broadcasters deliver the demand for safe, reliable information that unregulated social media cannot. He described the Tory aggression towards the BBC as ?priapic? at times after it won the election with threats made to its future funding and calls for it to be turned into a subscription service.
> ?I think the value of the BBC particularly ? and the way the nation has relied on it in a crisis, as it has so many times before, will make them think again,? he said.
> ?I think that licence fee settlement will be, I?m not saying it?ll go up necessarily, but it should be at a level where it means that the long term cuts internally ? don?t have to be quite as brutal,? he said speaking at a webinar hosted by Peter Mandelson?s consultancy Global Counsel.
> Sarah Sands, editor of the Radio 4 Today programme, which was boycotted by the Tories after the general election, told the same forum that the BBC?s place at the heart of the nation had been restored.
> More than seven in 10 of the TV audience at that time watched Boris Johnson?s address to the nation on Sunday night, she said.
> She said Conservatives had come back to Today, ?quickly realising that all the characteristics of the programme which they were complaining about ? too many experts; too many academics and not demotic enough for them; suddenly actually became a great virtue [for them]?.
> Bazalgette said the BBC?s financial position was stronger than any other public service broadcaster with the advertising downturn at its commercial rivals ?the worst in the history of commercial TV?.
> He said they could return to financial strength as they simultaneously deliver mass audiences that online services cannot along with ?brand equity? and reputation.
> Bazalgette also urged the government to review legislation to force Apple and Amazon to promote public service broadcasters? content.
>  
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  
> From: Robert Miles via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2020 11:18 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four Facing Axing
>  
> I really hope this doesn?t happen??
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.cityam.com/bbc-four-faces-closure-as-tv-bosses-battle-125m-covid-19-shortfall/
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Thu May 14 18:04:49 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 00:04:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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Since our government started presenting us with figures about COVID-19, I
wondered why they didn't take into account the population of each country.
They did do so recently, but only about twice before abandoning that kind
of presentation. It does seem strange because it is common for
figures affecting populations to be expressed per million of the
populations (death rates, for example). And we would see that, compared
with other countries, the UK is doing fairly well in coping with the virus.
Of course, there are other factors besides population size to take into
account, and some factors are unknown at the moment. But the following
graph does give a reasonable indication of the relative risks in various
countries.
[image: Cases per millioin.jpg]
The only reason I can think of for our government ignoring population size
for so long is that the figures for the USA, with its large population and,
therefore, large number of virus cases, made it look as if all
other countries on the chart were coping well by comparison. But it seems
that was somewhat misleading.
KW
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May 15 01:44:42 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 07:44:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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Comparing the known number of cases per million population is highly dependent on how many tests are conducted per million.  The UK is still not testing widely and until very recently was not testing people unless they already reported symptoms. 



Source 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/

As many of you know, my wife works in a Critical Care ward With the most contagious category of aerosol emitting Covid+ patients and staff there are very concerned about the situation, having already had several colleagues contract Covid.  Naturally they are keeping a very keen eye on statistics and associated trends, partly for professional reasons and partly due to personal concerns. 

Quite early on many newspapers were tracking UK Covid deaths against Italian figures. After about ten days, the government tried to dissuade them from making that comparison because circumstances were different. I?m one of those people who when told not to look behind the curtain,  tends to take a special interest, so I kept tracking those figures myself. 

To flesh out the statistics a little, UK. Population appx 66 million, Italy 60 million.  UK posts deaths only where the deceased was tested positive and was in hospital or a care home, Italy reports deaths, irrespective of where the death happened but where clinicians believe that the deceased was positive, irrespective of whether a test was actually carried out.  Therefore although Italy has a smaller population, it?s defining a  higher proportion of it?s deaths as being Covid related, which should broadly offset the smaller population.

I have tracked the two nations, plotting each one starting from the first day when ten deaths were reported, which puts Italy about 14 days ahead of us. The vertical axis is logarithmic. Full spreadsheet is available, but omitted for brevity.



I would suggest that there is a very marked correlation between the two curves. If you look at the start of the curve, the UK line has two initial dips at around 60 deaths per day. That is the point when the government insisted that the two trajectories could not be reliably compared. 

Note that the UK has a marked dip every seven days or so because cases tend not to be reported so efficiently at weekends, there have also been Easter and VE Day Bank holidays during this period with similar under-reporting followed by a compensating surge the next working day. 

This particular chart is being widely shared within Janet?s hospital as it has been more reliable in predicting mortality trends 14 days ahead than official predictions have managed. 

There is another type of chart called a Nightingale chart, where mortality is plotted on a polar graph where 360 degrees represents a year and multiple years are overlaid in different colours. Florence Nightingale used this representation in the Crimea to compensate for seasonal factors which might distort other charts. It very vividly shows departures from the norm. I haven?t got a link to one at the moment, but the one they are plotting manually at the hospital looks terrifying.  Somebody might be able to locate one online. 

As far as testing is concerned, despite being in a very high risk category, Janet and her colleagues were tested for the first time last week and she was just told that she tested negative for having Covid+. She?s still waiting for the antibody test result, which will reveal if she has already had Covid. 

Just out of interest, many of us In this group would be categorised as vulnerable because of our ages, but also many might have underlying health conditions too. How many of this group, or our spouses and partners have been Covid  tested so far?  I?d be interested to know where those tests were done and how the test was conducted as the staff conducting tests at her hospital have concerns about how tests are  being conducted elsewhere. Some TV footage of tests suggests that they might not be being done correctly, which could lead to false negatives. 

Alan Taylor


>> On 15 May 2020, at 00:05, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> Since our government started presenting us with figures about COVID-19, I wondered why they didn't take into account the population of each country. They did do so recently, but only about twice before abandoning that kind of presentation. It does seem strange because it is common for figures affecting populations to be expressed per million of the populations (death rates, for example). And we would see that, compared with other countries, the UK is doing fairly well in coping with the virus. Of course, there are other factors besides population size to take into account, and some factors are unknown at the moment. But the following graph does give a reasonable indication of the relative risks in various countries.
> <Cases per millioin.jpg>
> 
> The only reason I can think of for our government ignoring population size for so long is that the figures for the USA, with its large population and, therefore, large number of virus cases, made it look as if all other countries on the chart were coping well by comparison. But it seems that was somewhat misleading. 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Fri May 15 03:39:07 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:39:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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Alan: I agree with the points you make. As I said before, there are other
factors besides population size to take into account,
and some factors are unknown at the moment. Your concern about how tests
are carried out in various places is just one example.

Perhaps I should clarify that, although I don't believe we are doing as
badly as some figures suggest, we are all clearly in danger
and should take what precautions we can against spreading the infection.
KW


On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 07:45, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Comparing the known number of cases per million population is highly
> dependent on how many tests are conducted per million.  The UK is still not
> testing widely and until very recently was not testing people unless they
> already reported symptoms.
>
>
>
> Source
>
> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104645/covid19-testing-rate-select-countries-worldwide/
>
> As many of you know, my wife works in a Critical Care ward With the most
> contagious category of aerosol emitting Covid+ patients and staff there are
> very concerned about the situation, having already had several colleagues
> contract Covid.  Naturally they are keeping a very keen eye on statistics
> and associated trends, partly for professional reasons and partly due to
> personal concerns.
>
> Quite early on many newspapers were tracking UK Covid deaths against
> Italian figures. After about ten days, the government tried to dissuade
> them from making that comparison because circumstances were different. I?m
> one of those people who when told not to look behind the curtain,  tends to
> take a special interest, so I kept tracking those figures myself.
>
> To flesh out the statistics a little, UK. Population appx 66 million,
> Italy 60 million.  UK posts deaths only where the deceased was tested
> positive and was in hospital or a care home, Italy reports deaths,
> irrespective of where the death happened but where clinicians believe that
> the deceased was positive, irrespective of whether a test was actually
> carried out.  Therefore although Italy has a smaller population, it?s
> defining a  higher proportion of it?s deaths as being Covid related, which
> should broadly offset the smaller population.
>
> I have tracked the two nations, plotting each one starting from the first
> day when ten deaths were reported, which puts Italy about 14 days ahead of
> us. The vertical axis is logarithmic. Full spreadsheet is available, but
> omitted for brevity.
>
>
> I would suggest that there is a very marked correlation between the two
> curves. If you look at the start of the curve, the UK line has two initial
> dips at around 60 deaths per day. That is the point when the government
> insisted that the two trajectories could not be reliably compared.
>
> Note that the UK has a marked dip every seven days or so because cases
> tend not to be reported so efficiently at weekends, there have also been
> Easter and VE Day Bank holidays during this period with similar
> under-reporting followed by a compensating surge the next working day.
>
> This particular chart is being widely shared within Janet?s hospital as it
> has been more reliable in predicting mortality trends 14 days ahead than
> official predictions have managed.
>
> There is another type of chart called a Nightingale chart, where mortality
> is plotted on a polar graph where 360 degrees represents a year and
> multiple years are overlaid in different colours. Florence Nightingale used
> this representation in the Crimea to compensate for seasonal factors which
> might distort other charts. It very vividly shows departures from the norm.
> I haven?t got a link to one at the moment, but the one they are plotting
> manually at the hospital looks terrifying.  Somebody might be able to
> locate one online.
>
> As far as testing is concerned, despite being in a very high risk
> category, Janet and her colleagues were tested for the first time last week
> and she was just told that she tested negative for having Covid+. She?s
> still waiting for the antibody test result, which will reveal if she has
> already had Covid.
>
> Just out of interest, many of us In this group would be categorised as
> vulnerable because of our ages, but also many might have underlying health
> conditions too. How many of this group, or our spouses and partners have
> been Covid  tested so far?  I?d be interested to know where those tests
> were done and how the test was conducted as the staff conducting tests at
> her hospital have concerns about how tests are  being conducted elsewhere.
> Some TV footage of tests suggests that they might not be being done
> correctly, which could lead to false negatives.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
> On 15 May 2020, at 00:05, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Since our government started presenting us with figures about COVID-19, I
> wondered why they didn't take into account the population of each country.
> They did do so recently, but only about twice before abandoning that kind
> of presentation. It does seem strange because it is common for
> figures affecting populations to be expressed per million of the
> populations (death rates, for example). And we would see that, compared
> with other countries, the UK is doing fairly well in coping with the virus.
> Of course, there are other factors besides population size to take into
> account, and some factors are unknown at the moment. But the following
> graph does give a reasonable indication of the relative risks in various
> countries.
> <Cases per millioin.jpg>
>
> The only reason I can think of for our government ignoring population size
> for so long is that the figures for the USA, with its large population and,
> therefore, large number of virus cases, made it look as if all
> other countries on the chart were coping well by comparison. But it seems
> that was somewhat misleading.
> KW
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May 15 03:47:09 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:47:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four presenters rally to save channel amid closure
 rumours
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May 15 04:13:18 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:13:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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To prevent catching/spreading* this pestilence, I ordered up some face masks ? they came from China!
This set my flippant mind working along the lines of a dastardly plot that 007 Bond has to sort out - that not only did the virus originate there but Mr. Fu Manchu manufactures masks which are further impregnated with the nasties!
Sorry for my evil mind!
Pat
(* not infectious! But being vulnerable have elected to self-isolate. Thank goodness for deliveries from Cook food and Majestic Wine! Not to mention the kindness of a friend?s daughter-in-law, who has done some food shopping for me. She is a professional soprano, and of course all her European and UK concert dates have evaporated).
 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 15 May 2020 09:39
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Statistics

Perhaps I should clarify that, although?I don't believe we are doing?as badly as some figures suggest, we are all clearly in danger?
and should take what precautions we can against spreading the infection.
KW





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May 15 04:24:09 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 10:24:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Four presenters rally to save channel amid
 closurerumours
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Hooray for them!
Only last night, I was watching ? enthralled at a programme on photography of the Earth from space. In HD, the resolution was incredible, focussing down from 600km up, to single animals and groups of Chinese gymnasts (Kung-Fu exponents). Even a young audience would gain something from this programming. And us old codgers need some mind expanding stuff ? not everyone wants Eastenders, so BBC4 is essential.
Pat
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri May 15 05:45:43 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 11:45:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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On 15/05/2020 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> But the following graph does give a reasonable indication of the 
> relative risks in various countries.
>
>
Sadly none of the graphs that deal with "tested" Covid19 are of any 
statistical value. If you don't test anyone (and therefore cannot report 
that they died of the virus) your country will apparently have no cases. 
If you test 100% of the population you will probably seem to be quite 
badly hit.

The only graphs of any value are those showing excess deaths over 
previous years - that figure doesn't rely on the number, accuracy or 
type of tests. Considering how devious the UK government has been about 
the kind and number of tests being carried out here, that merely 
underlines the point.

On the basis of excess deaths we are doing considerably worse than other 
European countries.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-englands-excess-deaths-among-the-highest-in-europe-11977394

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May 15 06:59:24 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 12:59:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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I previously mentioned Florence Nightingale diagrams as a way of visualising trends while highlighting seasonal variations.  

I've now located a Nightingale diagram for UK deaths as a whole, which was compiled on 26 April.  It's now a couple of weeks out of date, but you get the general idea of how much of a change there has been.  For most of each year, there is a reasonably consistent level of mortality, but between January and April, there is a surge which corresponds with the flu season. It's precise timing and scale varies from year to year, but not by a huge amount. The consistent dips twice in May, and then in August and December all correspond to fixed date Bank Holidays.  You can easily see how these diagrams help to make sense of seasonal data and anybody interested in such things might like to read more about Florence Nightingale's pioneering work regarding medical data analysis.



Source The Centre for Evidence Based Medicine, which is part of the University of Oxford.

There is clearly a recent mortality rate massively higher than the normal rate to be expected at the same time in previous years.  The four week surge in deaths during April 2020 is not being fully accounted for by the official figures of deaths attributed to Covid+. 

When people want to spin numbers, they tend to use all sorts of obscure tricks which might sound plausible at first glance.  You could reduce apparent infection statistics by redefining what is an infection ( such as disregarding cases which have not been formally tested ), but reported deaths are an absolute figure and are not so easy to manipulate. The difference between reported Covid deaths and the excess number of deaths actually occurring is something which deserves further scrutiny.

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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri May 15 07:44:33 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 13:44:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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?
?I agree: The most accurate way of establishing excess deaths is to compare records from previous year(s). 

Statistics can be presented to show ?anything? 

Listening to Jeremy Vine yesterday talking about what gets written on death certificates but as is often the case, it clouded over and complicated matters relating the easiest way of establishing the numbers of excess deaths.  

What isn?t pointed out is Lockdown results in a drop in deaths (road accident fatalities etc etc) therefore you have to deduct these from the known average death figures and add this back onto the new Corvid death count.  
This paints a more worrying picture for overall ~excess~ death figures (directly and non directly) attributed to Corvid 19 
although out of a UK population of over 66 million you might think it?s relatively small numbers. 


Steve




>> On 15 May 2020, at 11:45, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> On 15/05/2020 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>> But the following graph does give a reasonable indication of the relative risks in various countries.
>> 
> Sadly none of the graphs that deal with "tested" Covid19 are of any statistical value. If you don't test anyone (and therefore cannot report that they died of the virus) your country will apparently have no cases. If you test 100% of the population you will probably seem to be quite badly hit.
> 
> The only graphs of any value are those showing excess deaths over previous years - that figure doesn't rely on the number, accuracy or type of tests. Considering how devious the UK government has been about the kind and number of tests being carried out here, that merely underlines the point.
> 
> On the basis of excess deaths we are doing considerably worse than other European countries.
> 
> https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-englands-excess-deaths-among-the-highest-in-europe-11977394
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri May 15 07:44:33 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 13:44:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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Message-ID: <58734F74-DBE5-470E-B146-EA12E0D6BE4C@btinternet.com>

?
?I agree: The most accurate way of establishing excess deaths is to compare records from previous year(s). 

Statistics can be presented to show ?anything? 

Listening to Jeremy Vine yesterday talking about what gets written on death certificates but as is often the case, it clouded over and complicated matters relating the easiest way of establishing the numbers of excess deaths.  

What isn?t pointed out is Lockdown results in a drop in deaths (road accident fatalities etc etc) therefore you have to deduct these from the known average death figures and add this back onto the new Corvid death count.  
This paints a more worrying picture for overall ~excess~ death figures (directly and non directly) attributed to Corvid 19 
although out of a UK population of over 66 million you might think it?s relatively small numbers. 


Steve




>> On 15 May 2020, at 11:45, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> On 15/05/2020 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>> But the following graph does give a reasonable indication of the relative risks in various countries.
>> 
> Sadly none of the graphs that deal with "tested" Covid19 are of any statistical value. If you don't test anyone (and therefore cannot report that they died of the virus) your country will apparently have no cases. If you test 100% of the population you will probably seem to be quite badly hit.
> 
> The only graphs of any value are those showing excess deaths over previous years - that figure doesn't rely on the number, accuracy or type of tests. Considering how devious the UK government has been about the kind and number of tests being carried out here, that merely underlines the point.
> 
> On the basis of excess deaths we are doing considerably worse than other European countries.
> 
> https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-englands-excess-deaths-among-the-highest-in-europe-11977394
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May 15 16:04:49 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:04:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Gothic by Gaslight
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It's Friday night, and I nearly forgot to send out the next episode of Gothic by Gaslight - Chapter XVI: 'Room Thirteen', which contains gruesome historical reality, and a helpful summary of the evidence to date, for those still trying to work out who-dun-wot.
luv, Rog.
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat May 16 00:42:28 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 06:42:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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I agree with Alan that there are problems with comparing the numbers of
cases per million in various countries. I just think it is better than
looking at the numbers of cases without taking population sizes into
account. As I said before, there are other factors besides population size
to take into account, and some factors are unknown at the moment. But I
know I'd be happier living in a country with x cases per million than x
cases per 100,000, even if the available figures were not regarded as very
accurate.


I don't agree with Chris's comment that "The only graphs of any value are
those showing excess deaths over previous years..." But I do expect that
some graphs will eventually be shown to have been extremely misleading.
There are problems with all statistics concerning COVID-19, and that
includes the excess deaths figures (compared with previous years). I
believe it was these that the government was referring to recently when it
stated that there were figures that we couldn't use at the moment, but they
would be analysed later to see what lessons could be learnt. Here's a short
extract from a BBC News report referring to excess deaths information from
the Office for National Statistics:


When it comes to flu, experts track what are called excess deaths....

This, of course, can be done in the future only - it is why the ONS says it
is too early to understand the true impact coronavirus is having on deaths.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654


When I showed this chart:
[image: Cases per millioin.jpg]


I did so mainly because I felt it gave a more realistic comparison between
the US and UK situations, and also I wondered why our government did not
try to compare us more favourably with other European countries, as one
would expect them to do. The following is the kind of graph that the
government keeps showing:


 [image: Confirmed cases - graph.png]


I should make it clear that I am not a Trump supporter trying to minimise
any damage the President's extraordinary comments on the virus situation
may have caused. And recent figures are suggesting that cases in the USA
may soon increase rapidly. We shall see.


Of course, the UK still has major problems and appears to be one of the
worst-hit countries in Europe. But I feel we are coping reasonably well
with this difficult situation.


KW

On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:45, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> ?
> ?I agree: The most accurate way of establishing excess deaths is to
> compare records from previous year(s).
>
> Statistics can be presented to show ?anything?
>
> Listening to Jeremy Vine yesterday talking about what gets written on
> death certificates but as is often the case, it clouded over and
> complicated matters relating the easiest way of establishing the numbers of
> excess deaths.
>
> What isn?t pointed out is Lockdown results in a drop in deaths (road
> accident fatalities etc etc) therefore you have to deduct these from the
> known average death figures and add this back onto the new Corvid death
> count.
> This paints a more worrying picture for overall ~excess~ death figures
> (directly and non directly) attributed to Corvid 19
> although out of a UK population of over 66 million you might think it?s
> relatively small numbers.
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> On 15 May 2020, at 11:45, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> On 15/05/2020 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>
> But the following graph does give a reasonable indication of the relative
> risks in various countries.
>
>
> Sadly none of the graphs that deal with "tested" Covid19 are of any
> statistical value. If you don't test anyone (and therefore cannot report
> that they died of the virus) your country will apparently have no cases. If
> you test 100% of the population you will probably seem to be quite badly
> hit.
>
> The only graphs of any value are those showing excess deaths over previous
> years - that figure doesn't rely on the number, accuracy or type of tests.
> Considering how devious the UK government has been about the kind and
> number of tests being carried out here, that merely underlines the point.
>
> On the basis of excess deaths we are doing considerably worse than other
> European countries.
>
>
> https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-englands-excess-deaths-among-the-highest-in-europe-11977394
>
> Chris Woolf
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat May 16 02:15:17 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 08:15:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
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The caveat Keith refers to re excess deaths, originating as it does from the ONS, reflects the level of caution one might expect from that body. Nevertheless I think that Chris? assertion is, on the balance of probabilities, justifiable. As we all look to see how best to come to a reasoned view of the circumstances we are living through I think it probably represents the best, if slightly flawed, guide to the true numbers involved.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 6:42 AM
To: Steve Edwards 
Cc: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Statistics

I agree with Alan that there are problems with comparing the numbers of cases per million in various countries. I just think it is better than looking at the numbers of cases without taking population sizes into account. As I said before, there are other factors besides population size to take into account, and some factors are unknown at the moment. But I know I'd be happier living in a country with x cases per million than x cases per 100,000, even if the available figures were not regarded as very accurate. 




I don't agree with Chris's comment that "The only graphs of any value are those showing excess deaths over previous years..." But I do expect that some graphs will eventually be shown to have been extremely misleading. There are problems with all statistics concerning COVID-19, and that includes the excess deaths figures (compared with previous years). I believe it was these that the government was referring to recently when it stated that there were figures that we couldn't use at the moment, but they would be analysed later to see what lessons could be learnt. Here's a short extract from a BBC News report referring to excess deaths information from the Office for National Statistics:




When it comes to flu, experts track what are called excess deaths....

This, of course, can be done in the future only - it is why the ONS says it is too early to understand the true impact coronavirus is having on deaths.

Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51979654




When I showed this chart:






I did so mainly because I felt it gave a more realistic comparison between the US and UK situations, and also I wondered why our government did not try to compare us more favourably with other European countries, as one would expect them to do. The following is the kind of graph that the government keeps showing:




 



I should make it clear that I am not a Trump supporter trying to minimise any damage the President's extraordinary comments on the virus situation may have caused. And recent figures are suggesting that cases in the USA may soon increase rapidly. We shall see.




Of course, the UK still has major problems and appears to be one of the worst-hit countries in Europe. But I feel we are coping reasonably well with this difficult situation.




KW


On Fri, 15 May 2020 at 13:45, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  ? 
  ?I agree: The most accurate way of establishing excess deaths is to compare records from previous year(s).  

  Statistics can be presented to show ?anything? 

  Listening to Jeremy Vine yesterday talking about what gets written on death certificates but as is often the case, it clouded over and complicated matters relating the easiest way of establishing the numbers of excess deaths.  

  What isn?t pointed out is Lockdown results in a drop in deaths (road accident fatalities etc etc) therefore you have to deduct these from the known average death figures and add this back onto the new Corvid death count.  
  This paints a more worrying picture for overall ~excess~ death figures (directly and non directly) attributed to Corvid 19 
  although out of a UK population of over 66 million you might think it?s relatively small numbers. 


  Steve





    On 15 May 2020, at 11:45, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    ? 
    On 15/05/2020 00:04, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:

      But the following graph does give a reasonable indication of the relative risks in various countries.



    Sadly none of the graphs that deal with "tested" Covid19 are of any statistical value. If you don't test anyone (and therefore cannot report that they died of the virus) your country will apparently have no cases. If you test 100% of the population you will probably seem to be quite badly hit.

    The only graphs of any value are those showing excess deaths over previous years - that figure doesn't rely on the number, accuracy or type of tests. Considering how devious the UK government has been about the kind and number of tests being carried out here, that merely underlines the point.

    On the basis of excess deaths we are doing considerably worse than other European countries.

    https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-englands-excess-deaths-among-the-highest-in-europe-11977394


    Chris Woolf


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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat May 16 02:54:36 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 08:54:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stereo roses pix
Message-ID: <63a28d38-c503-44d3-c35b-3cd78d34097b@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I had another go at? stereoscopic photos, mainly for my art group, but I 
hope that you might be interested, too

As you can guess, using a single camera for such shots is very much hit 
and miss, but these ones seem (to me (with funny eyes)) to work out OK.

Th pictures are of? roses in our front garden - my wife wanted a couple 
of normal pictures anyway to send to her friend




-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat May 16 03:12:59 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 09:12:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJm=R-_h19VKd1wdXVaWunJPN2xN3aQWa=TguU6JX2yUVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA=qGJm=R-_h19VKd1wdXVaWunJPN2xN3aQWa=TguU6JX2yUVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6292E2E2-86F6-4423-B684-E17951D4E529@me.com>

I?m puzzled by your closing sentence.   If we?re one of the worst hit countries in Europe, surely that clearly demonstrates that we?re NOT coping reasonably well with the situation?

The rest of the world found that the best approach was to test, trace and isolate.  The pandemic spread through many other countries weeks Or even months before reaching the UK. We had the opportunity to learn from their experience but the UK adopted a different approach. During the early stages of the pandemic, herd immunity was being advocated before a massive U turn was made.  We are still not testing at even a fraction of an acceptable scale, still have no meaningful contact tracing procedures and isolation was largely left on trust to individuals.  Our lockdown was started far too late and was half hearted.  We are now in a situation where the true extent of the virus is not known and it?s now too widespread for contact tracing to be a practical proposition.  

There is a fine line to be walked on this group between avoiding political discussions while talking about an epidemic which presents heightened risks to people of our age, but what unique factors made the UK so badly affected by Coronavirus other than central decision making?

Alan Taylor

> On 16 May 2020, at 06:42, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Of course, the UK still has major problems and appears to be one of the worst-hit countries in Europe. But I feel we are coping reasonably well with this difficult situation.
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat May 16 04:28:38 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 10:28:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <6292E2E2-86F6-4423-B684-E17951D4E529@me.com>
References: <CAA=qGJm=R-_h19VKd1wdXVaWunJPN2xN3aQWa=TguU6JX2yUVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6292E2E2-86F6-4423-B684-E17951D4E529@me.com>
Message-ID: <799d48b2-d156-8045-64ae-e2554bbfa4f6@chriswoolf.co.uk>

I agree, Alan.

This isn't a political argument per se. It is an observation of what has 
clearly gone wrong with the current attempt to solve the problem of 
Covid19 in the UK. Attempts to defend the errors ~might~ have a 
political element if the defender doesn't want the current government to 
be "wrong" for any reason.

The errors are more classic Britishness - a fault in our national psyche 
from a few centuries back, whereby we arrogantly believe we are better 
than other nations, and that our ideas are superior to theirs. If that 
ever was the case - and it might have been a century or two ago - then 
it hasn't been true more recently, but we can't actually admit to it.

We were still showing off new steam engines at the Great Exhibition, 
when France had already introduced modern electric trains. We imagined 
that our post-war motorbikes were still superb when the Japanese and 
Germans were surpassing us, rightly killing off our industry. We have 
continually thought we had better systems of government, democracy and 
international cooperation than everyone else, when the evidence has been 
proving that we having been puttering off along the wrong road for decades.

So once again, instead of following the lead of other countries hit by 
Covid19, we wasted the advance warning we were granted, and decided that 
somehow we brilliant British would be cleverer then Johnny Foreigner and 
fight the virus differently. Then, too late, we realised the virus was a 
lot cleverer than we were, and had to change tack.

The NHS tracking app looks to be another such failure - no, we'll build 
our own so-much-better app, thank you. Oh, it doesn't work very well 
compared to the Apple/Google version other people are going for... 
perhaps we should change to that (a month too late)....

One of the great things about flying has been the ability of pilots to 
admit mistakes free from blame. Governments seem unable to follow such a 
lead - they constantly attempt to hide even the most understandable 
mistakes, and thus compound them.

Chris Woolf




On 16/05/2020 09:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m puzzled by your closing sentence. ? If we?re one of the worst hit 
> countries in Europe, surely that clearly demonstrates that we?re NOT 
> coping reasonably well with the situation?
>
> The rest of the world found that the best approach was to test, trace 
> and isolate. ?The pandemic spread through many other countries weeks 
> Or even months before reaching the UK. We had the opportunity to learn 
> from their experience but the UK adopted a different approach. During 
> the early stages of the pandemic, herd immunity was being advocated 
> before a massive U turn was made.?We are still not testing at even a 
> fraction of an acceptable scale, still have no meaningful contact 
> tracing procedures and isolation was largely left on trust to 
> individuals. ?Our lockdown was started far too late and was half 
> hearted. ?We are now in a situation where the true extent of the virus 
> is not known and it?s now too widespread for contact tracing to be a 
> practical proposition.
>
> There is a fine line to be walked on this group between avoiding 
> political discussions while talking about an epidemic which presents 
> heightened risks to people of our age, but what unique factors made 
> the UK so badly affected by Coronavirus other than central decision 
> making?
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 16 May 2020, at 06:42, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Of course, the UK still has major problems and appears to be one of 
>> the worst-hit countries in Europe. But I feel we are coping 
>> reasonably well with this difficult situation.
>>
>>
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat May 16 04:28:00 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 10:28:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stereo roses pix
In-Reply-To: <63a28d38-c503-44d3-c35b-3cd78d34097b@gmail.com>
References: <63a28d38-c503-44d3-c35b-3cd78d34097b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02623F6F-3873-4E18-B126-65429D47AB1C@btinternet.com>

On screen puzzles.

Could be fun?.


https://www.jigsawplanet.com/CanterburyCathedral/canterbury-cathedral <https://www.jigsawplanet.com/CanterburyCathedral/canterbury-cathedral>






> On 16 May 2020, at 08:54, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I had another go at  stereoscopic photos, mainly for my art group, but I hope that you might be interested, too 
> As you can guess, using a single camera for such shots is very much hit and miss, but these ones seem (to me (with funny eyes)) to work out OK.  
> Th pictures are of  roses in our front garden - my wife wanted a couple of normal pictures anyway to send to her friend
> 
> <nfjogjjkcabkilmg.png>
> 
> 
> <oknndhgfkbonaekk.png>
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat May 16 04:46:45 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 10:46:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <6292E2E2-86F6-4423-B684-E17951D4E529@me.com>
References: <CAA=qGJm=R-_h19VKd1wdXVaWunJPN2xN3aQWa=TguU6JX2yUVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6292E2E2-86F6-4423-B684-E17951D4E529@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJnz+p8r6W2gwnkVSQz_-VGz17hwsBQXOB9JuKAkN1+EUQ@mail.gmail.com>

Alan: I agree that we should have taken action sooner and that there was a
massive U-turn in policy. Like you, I feel that central decision making was
a major factor in making us so badly affected. At first, we were not
tackling the problem properly. I acknowledged that we still have major
problems but added that I feel we are coping with the
situation reasonably well. In other words, I think that our late change of
policy is starting to pay dividends and we are, therefore, now coping
reasonably well with a situation that would have been less problematic if
we had acted sooner.

I cannot comment on the other points you make because I do not have
sufficient knowledge about various factors including the many kinds of
tests available, the acceptable testing rates, and the meaningfulness of
contact tracing procedures. I suspect the government has insufficient
knowledge about many aspects of the situation too. By the way, I see the
Isle of Wight contact tracing tests are getting a generally bad press. Many
articles are available, but see:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/05/05/uk_coronavirus_app/
KW

On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 09:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I?m puzzled by your closing sentence.   If we?re one of the worst hit
> countries in Europe, surely that clearly demonstrates that we?re NOT coping
> reasonably well with the situation?
>
> The rest of the world found that the best approach was to test, trace and
> isolate.  The pandemic spread through many other countries weeks Or even
> months before reaching the UK. We had the opportunity to learn from their
> experience but the UK adopted a different approach. During the early
> stages of the pandemic, herd immunity was being advocated before a massive
> U turn was made.  We are still not testing at even a fraction of an
> acceptable scale, still have no meaningful contact tracing procedures and
> isolation was largely left on trust to individuals.  Our lockdown was
> started far too late and was half hearted.  We are now in a situation where
> the true extent of the virus is not known and it?s now too widespread for
> contact tracing to be a practical proposition.
>
> There is a fine line to be walked on this group between avoiding political
> discussions while talking about an epidemic which presents heightened risks
> to people of our age, but what unique factors made the UK so badly affected
> by Coronavirus other than central decision making?
>
> Alan Taylor
>
> On 16 May 2020, at 06:42, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Of course, the UK still has major problems and appears to be one of the
> worst-hit countries in Europe. But I feel we are coping reasonably well
> with this difficult situation.
>
>
> --
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat May 16 04:59:54 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 10:59:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Stereo roses pix
In-Reply-To: <63a28d38-c503-44d3-c35b-3cd78d34097b@gmail.com>
References: <63a28d38-c503-44d3-c35b-3cd78d34097b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJmwYZyRVmVa_MaRaofcMpJj-sLRf8YhAz5tephXHAFzqA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. Both pairs work well for me.
KW


On Sat, 16 May 2020 at 08:55, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I had another go at  stereoscopic photos, mainly for my art group, but I
> hope that you might be interested, too
>
> As you can guess, using a single camera for such shots is very much hit
> and miss, but these ones seem (to me (with funny eyes)) to work out OK.
>
> Th pictures are of  roses in our front garden - my wife wanted a couple of
> normal pictures anyway to send to her friend
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>
> --
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat May 16 05:13:37 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 11:13:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Millionaire
Message-ID: <58717f2be9davesound@btinternet.com>

This is partially a test message to see if a different email address works
here better.

I've been watching Millionaire all week using catch up, usually after
Newsnight, before going to bed. Cheers me up after all the gloom. ;-)  

And the sound is always left channel only. But the ads etc normal. On
every episode across the week.

Tried both HD and SD - although I guess they are usually the same thing.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat May 16 05:51:25 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 11:51:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Funny vid.
Message-ID: <d0858ecd-3704-a394-c7ea-19799fa51526@btinternet.com>

Just to cheer you up this weekend! Cheers, Dave

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sat May 16 06:31:25 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 12:31:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <799d48b2-d156-8045-64ae-e2554bbfa4f6@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <CAA=qGJm=R-_h19VKd1wdXVaWunJPN2xN3aQWa=TguU6JX2yUVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6292E2E2-86F6-4423-B684-E17951D4E529@me.com>
	<799d48b2-d156-8045-64ae-e2554bbfa4f6@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F7B53AB1-2AE0-42F5-8101-EBBBA7350BD4@me.com>

There are a couple of things about which I would disagree with Chris, (the German and Japanese industrial bases were starting with
 ' clean sheets of paper' after WW2, and I wouldn't trust GAFA (Google Amazon Facebook Apple) to tell me the right time.

You're right about air accident investigations, and the same is true of MAIB, the Marine Accident Investigation Board, and I have a feeling, although I haven't checked yet that their reports cannot be used as evidence in court, I think because those involved are not named.

It's regrettable that our political system is still based on confrontation, and the layout of the House of Commons simply reinforces that.  Many European countries and, indeed, the Scottish Parliament and Welsh Assembly have a semi-circular arrangement of seats, which at least sub-consciously leads to more co-operation and allows coalitions to function.


Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 16 May 2020, at 10:28, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I agree, Alan.
> 
> This isn't a political argument per se. It is an observation of what has clearly gone wrong with the current attempt to solve the problem of Covid19 in the UK. Attempts to defend the errors ~might~ have a political element if the defender doesn't want the current government to be "wrong" for any reason.
> 
> The errors are more classic Britishness - a fault in our national psyche from a few centuries back, whereby we arrogantly believe we are better than other nations, and that our ideas are superior to theirs. If that ever was the case - and it might have been a  century or two ago - then it hasn't been true more recently, but we can't actually admit to it.
> 
> We were still showing off new steam engines at the Great Exhibition, when France had already introduced modern electric trains. We imagined that our post-war motorbikes were still superb when the Japanese and Germans were surpassing us, rightly killing off our industry. We have continually thought we had better systems of government, democracy and international cooperation than everyone else, when the evidence has been proving that we having been puttering off along the wrong road for decades.
> 
> So once again, instead of following the lead of other countries hit by Covid19, we wasted the advance warning we were granted, and decided that somehow we brilliant British would be cleverer then Johnny Foreigner and fight the virus differently. Then, too late, we realised the virus was a lot cleverer than we were, and had to change tack. 
> 
> The NHS tracking app looks to be another such failure - no, we'll build our own so-much-better app, thank you. Oh, it doesn't work       very well compared to the Apple/Google version other people are going for... perhaps we should change to that (a month too late)....
> 
> One of the great things about flying has been the ability of pilots to admit mistakes free from blame. Governments seem unable to follow such a lead - they constantly attempt to hide even the most understandable mistakes, and thus compound them.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16/05/2020 09:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?m puzzled by your closing sentence.   If we?re one of the worst hit countries in Europe, surely that clearly demonstrates that we?re NOT coping reasonably well with the situation?
>> 
>> The rest of the world found that the best approach was to test, trace and isolate.  The pandemic spread through many other countries weeks Or even months before reaching the UK. We had the opportunity to learn from their experience but the UK adopted a different approach. During the early stages of the pandemic, herd immunity was being advocated before a massive U turn was made.  We are still not testing at even a fraction of an acceptable scale, still have no meaningful contact tracing procedures and isolation was largely left on trust to individuals.  Our lockdown was started far too late and was half hearted.  We are now in a situation where the true extent of the virus is not known and it?s now too widespread for contact tracing to be a practical proposition.  
>> 
>> There is a fine line to be walked on this group between avoiding political discussions while talking about an epidemic which presents heightened risks to people of our age, but what unique factors made the UK so badly affected by Coronavirus other than central decision making?
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>> On 16 May 2020, at 06:42, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> <mailto:keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Of course, the UK still has major problems and appears to be one of the worst-hit countries in Europe. But I feel we are coping reasonably well with this difficult situation.
>>> 
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat May 16 06:34:24 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 11:34:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Funny vid.
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB03519B4E1A6BFF1C3456A163A7BA0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <d0858ecd-3704-a394-c7ea-19799fa51526@btinternet.com>,
	<VI1P189MB03519B4E1A6BFF1C3456A163A7BA0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Oh bums, done it again. See below:
N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

Begin forwarded message:

From: Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
Date: 16 May 2020 at 12:33:06 BST
To: "dave.mdv" <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>
Subject: Re:  [Tech1] Funny vid.

? Or this:
youtube.com/watch?v=y9s1Wrxrq4A - or if that link doesn?t work try:
https://tinyurl.com/y8aq3zr4
Or: search on YouTube : Legs & Co - Sue Menhenick Interview = TOTP [Story of 1979]

And see where that takes you next!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 16 May 2020, at 11:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Just to cheer you up this weekend! Cheers, Dave

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat May 16 08:34:55 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 14:34:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Save BBC 4
Message-ID: <797F8B95039843FEB588223C08B20F57@Gigabyte>

This as posted on the ex-BBC.net forum

We ought all to sign it!

Mike

Just to let members and guests know that there is now a Petition on Change.org to "Save BBC Four from closure".

Sarah Gibbons (who started this petition) writes ...
There is a report in today?s Daily Telegraph and strong rumours that the BBC has plans to close BBC Four. I think this would be very sad a terrible move. BBC Four is one of the best things about the BBC and has programmes that you can?t find anywhere else.

I know that in the middle of the covid-19 crisis, it seems trivial to start or even sign a petition in support of a TV channel, but I think we need to ask what sort of society and culture we want once it?s over. I want to be able to access a wide range of culture and information from a trusted broadcaster. TV should not just be about fast-moving, short attention span, and on the surface content. Entertain yes ? sometimes, but serious thoughtful programmes are also essential.


I urge you to sign it!! 

The URL she posts is HUGE so this is a Bitly version  https://bit.ly/3cykUAp
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat May 16 08:51:07 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 14:51:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Save BBC 4 URL correction
Message-ID: <F1798CDF88B047F8933941295F6F1274@Gigabyte>

Sorry folks

Due to their page system, what I sent you was a sort of reply page to me!

Try this link to go there direct!

Mike


https://www.change.org/p/british-broadcasting-corporation-save-bbc-four-from-closure
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun May 17 06:54:58 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 12:54:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Save BBC 4 URL correction
In-Reply-To: <F1798CDF88B047F8933941295F6F1274@Gigabyte>
References: <F1798CDF88B047F8933941295F6F1274@Gigabyte>
Message-ID: <5ec12612.1c69fb81.33c64.cef8@mx.google.com>

Willingly signed, but then got a message asking me to confirm my e-mail address. This seemed to originate from a California site.
So unsure about this. A phishing exercise?
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 16 May 2020 14:51
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Save BBC 4 URL correction

Sorry folks
?
Due to their page system, what I sent you was a sort of reply page to me!
?
Try this link to go there direct!
?
Mike
?
?
https://www.change.org/p/british-broadcasting-corporation-save-bbc-four-from-closure



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun May 17 07:02:37 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:02:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW:  Save BBC 4 URL correction
In-Reply-To: <5ec12612.1c69fb81.33c64.cef8@mx.google.com>
References: <F1798CDF88B047F8933941295F6F1274@Gigabyte>
	<5ec12612.1c69fb81.33c64.cef8@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5ec127dc.1c69fb81.ed7e.ce61@mx.google.com>

Also saw that donations are being requested. I?m signing a petition, not funding an election campaign! Who is pocketing the loot?
Pat


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From: patheigham
Sent: 17 May 2020 12:54
To: Mike Jordan; Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Save BBC 4 URL correction

Willingly signed, but then got a message asking me to confirm my e-mail address. This seemed to originate from a California site.
So unsure about this. A phishing exercise?
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 16 May 2020 14:51
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Save BBC 4 URL correction

Sorry folks
?
Due to their page system, what I sent you was a sort of reply page to me!
?
Try this link to go there direct!
?
Mike
?
?
https://www.change.org/p/british-broadcasting-corporation-save-bbc-four-from-closure







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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sun May 17 07:39:20 2020
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 12:39:20 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19
Message-ID: <895d5e30-d94c-40df-9e01-34c44ce941a0@me.com>

Autopsies Prove that COVID-19 is a Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Pulmonary Thrombosis)
It is now clear that the whole world has been attacking the so-called Coronavirus Pandemic wrongly due to a serious pathophysiological diagnosis error.
According to valuable information from Italian pathologists, ventilators and intensive care units were never needed.
Autopsies performed by the Italian pathologists have shown that it is not pneumonia but it is Disseminated Intravascular Coagulation (Thrombosis) which ought to be fought with antibiotics, antivirals, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
If this is true for all cases, that means the whole world is about to resolve this novel pandemic earlier than expected.
However, protocols are currently being changed in Italy who have been adversely affected by this pandemic.
The impressive case of a Mexican family in the United States who claimed they were cured with a home remedy was documented: three 500 mg aspirins dissolved in lemon juice boiled with honey, taken hot. The next day they woke up as if nothing had happened to them! Well, the scientific information that follows proves they are right!
This information was released by a medical researcher from Italy:
?Thanks to 50 autopsies performed on patients who died of COVID-19, Italian pathologists have discovered that IT IS NOT PNEUMONIA, strictly speaking because the virus does not only kill pneumocytes of this type but uses an inflammatory storm to create an endothelial vascular thrombosis.?
In disseminated intravascular coagulation, the lung is the most affected because it is the most inflamed, but there is also a heart attack, stroke and many other thromboembolic diseases.
In fact, the protocols left antiviral therapies useless and focused on anti-inflammatory and anti-clotting therapies. These therapies should be done immediately, even at home, in which the treatment of patients responds very well.
If the Chinese had denounced it, they would have invested in-home therapy, not intensive care! So, the way to fight it is with antibiotics, anti-inflammatories and anticoagulants.
An Italian pathologist reports that the hospital in Bergamo did a total of 50 autopsies and one in Milan, 20, that is, the Italian series is the highest in the world, the Chinese did only 3, which seems to fully confirm the information.
In a nutshell, the disease is determined by disseminated intravascular coagulation triggered by the virus; therefore, it is not pneumonia but pulmonary thrombosis, a major diagnostic error.
Some world leaders doubled the number of resuscitation places in the ICU, with unnecessary exorbitant costs.
According to the Italian pathologist, treatment in ICUs is useless if thromboembolism is not resolved first. ?If we ventilate a lung where blood does not circulate, it is useless, in fact, nine (9) patients out of ten (10) will die because the problem is cardiovascular, not respiratory.?
?It is venous micro thrombosis, not pneumonia, that determines mortality.?
According to the literature, inflammation induces thrombosis through a complex but well-known pathophysiological mechanism.
Unfortunately, what the scientific literature said, especially Chinese until mid-March was that anti-inflammatory drugs should not be used.
Now, the therapy being used in Italy is with anti-inflammatories and antibiotics, as in influenza, and the number of hospitalized patients has been reduced.
He also discovered that many deaths, even in their 40s, had a history of fever for 10 to 15 days, which were not treated properly.
The inflammation does a great deal of tissue damage and creates ground for thrombus formation. However, the main problem is not the virus, but the immune hyper reaction that destroys the cell where the virus is installed.
In fact, patients with rheumatoid arthritis have never needed to be admitted to the ICU because they are on corticosteroid therapy, which is a great anti-inflammatory.
With this important discovery, it is possible to return to normal life and open closed deals due to the quarantine, though not immediately, but with time.
Kindly share so that the health authorities of each country can make their respective analysis of this information, prevent further deaths and redirect investments appropriately; the vaccine may come later.
Link: https://www.linkedin.com/?/autopsies-prove-covid-19-dissemi?
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun May 17 07:57:21 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 13:57:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW:  Save BBC 4 URL correction
In-Reply-To: <5ec127dc.1c69fb81.ed7e.ce61@mx.google.com>
References: <F1798CDF88B047F8933941295F6F1274@Gigabyte><5ec12612.1c69fb81.33c64.cef8@mx.google.com>
	<5ec127dc.1c69fb81.ed7e.ce61@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D34A72FF16E24AE1BE2E908900FD057F@0023242e4e14>

Change.Org is a California-based site.  It claims to be non-profit making and all donation and subscription money is ploughed back into operating costs.  They get the most money from advertisers.  Wikipedia runs the same sort of business operation.

There have been suspicions of data selling of emails to their advertisers but as far as I?m aware, it?s not been proven either way.

David




From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 1:02 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] FW: Save BBC 4 URL correction

Also saw that donations are being requested. I?m signing a petition, not funding an election campaign! Who is pocketing the loot?

Pat

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: patheigham
Sent: 17 May 2020 12:54
To: Mike Jordan; Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Save BBC 4 URL correction

 

Willingly signed, but then got a message asking me to confirm my e-mail address. This seemed to originate from a California site.

So unsure about this. A phishing exercise?
Pat

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 16 May 2020 14:51
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Save BBC 4 URL correction

 

Sorry folks

 

Due to their page system, what I sent you was a sort of reply page to me!

 

Try this link to go there direct!

 

Mike

 

 

https://www.change.org/p/british-broadcasting-corporation-save-bbc-four-from-closure

 

 





 



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From paul at paulholman.com  Sun May 17 08:20:01 2020
From: paul at paulholman.com (Paul Holman)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:20:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19
In-Reply-To: <895d5e30-d94c-40df-9e01-34c44ce941a0@me.com>
References: <895d5e30-d94c-40df-9e01-34c44ce941a0@me.com>
Message-ID: <6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876@paulholman.com>

Sorry, more fake news

https://fullfact.org/online/thrombosis-covid-19/


From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun May 17 08:47:08 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 14:47:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19
In-Reply-To: <6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876@paulholman.com>
References: <895d5e30-d94c-40df-9e01-34c44ce941a0@me.com>
	<6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876@paulholman.com>
Message-ID: <5872168deddavesound@btinternet.com>

In article <6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876 at paulholman.com>,
   Paul Holman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry, more fake news

> https://fullfact.org/online/thrombosis-covid-19/

Lots and lots of theories doing the rounds about possible treatments. Some
likely false - some may have a degree of truth.

The ones who claim to be right on all counts, likely false.

LinkedIn isn't a site that inspires confidence to me. ;-)

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun May 17 09:58:37 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 15:58:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19
In-Reply-To: <5872168deddavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <895d5e30-d94c-40df-9e01-34c44ce941a0@me.com>
	<6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876@paulholman.com>
	<5872168deddavesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5ec1511c.1c69fb81.8a116.388e@mx.google.com>

MSN (Microsoft News) posted an article today about llamas possibly having antibodies to counteract this Covid19 virus.
Quite prepared to believe this, as the snake farm in Bangkok, which I visited in 1975 kept most of the most highly poisonous specimens in SE Asia, milked the venom, which was then injected into horses. Apparently horses produce antibodies that are then used , by taking their blood and making the anti-venom serums.
Filming in Thailand, our unit nurse ? a strapping Australian lass ? addressed the crew one lunchtime, and said that although we were working the next day in a known snake infested area, we should not worry if bitten, as she had all the serums, however: ? I will want to know what colour it was!?.(Assuming we could take that in, without panic setting in!).
Another tale, same location ? we were mucking about in the Klongs (canals) of Bangkok, and the producers thought it a good idea if we all had a Gamma-globulin jab against hepatitis. So, one by one, as we could be released from the set, we all trooped into her temporary surgery. Rolling up my sleeves, I asked: ?left arm or right?? ?Neither, drop your pants ? it?s in yer bum!?
OOHH! Matron!!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 17 May 2020 14:49
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19

In article <6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876 at paulholman.com>,
   Paul Holman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Sorry, more fake news

> https://fullfact.org/online/thrombosis-covid-19/

Lots and lots of theories doing the rounds about possible treatments. Some
likely false - some may have a degree of truth.

The ones who claim to be right on all counts, likely false.

LinkedIn isn't a site that inspires confidence to me. ;-)

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun May 17 10:48:41 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 16:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid-19
Message-ID: <c11cbf0b-5065-3933-047e-928e00cc8295@btinternet.com>

So.....(!)....the last two articles on the subject are quite revealing 
as that what chance do the thickos (i.e. me) have any chance of 
believing what you read about the virus? There is an excellent article 
by Matthew Syed in today's ST explaining how the scientists in SAGE have 
totally missed the point, it's not the 'flu at all! Additionally, the 
fact that Boris's boss is sitting in on the SAGE deliberations makes me 
wonder whether their decisions are based purely on their reading of the 
'Science', or whether 'politics' are rearing their ugly head! Don't 
forget that Dominic was content to let a 'few'(!) OAPs die to ensure 
herd immunity! More than a few now Dom! Cheers, Dave.



From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon May 18 03:11:38 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 09:11:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19
In-Reply-To: <5ec1511c.1c69fb81.8a116.388e@mx.google.com>
References: <895d5e30-d94c-40df-9e01-34c44ce941a0@me.com>	<6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876@paulholman.com>	<5872168deddavesound@btinternet.com>
	<5ec1511c.1c69fb81.8a116.388e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000201d62ceb$f4deff00$de9cfd00$@gmail.com>

Not a lot to do with Llamas? Or CV19?

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 17 May 2020 15:59
To: Dave Plowman <davesound at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19

 

MSN (Microsoft News) posted an article today about llamas possibly having antibodies to counteract this Covid19 virus.

Quite prepared to believe this, as the snake farm in Bangkok, which I visited in 1975 kept most of the most highly poisonous specimens in SE Asia, milked the venom, which was then injected into horses. Apparently horses produce antibodies that are then used , by taking their blood and making the anti-venom serums.

Filming in Thailand, our unit nurse ? a strapping Australian lass ? addressed the crew one lunchtime, and said that although we were working the next day in a known snake infested area, we should not worry if bitten, as she had all the serums, however: ? I will want to know what colour it was!?.(Assuming we could take that in, without panic setting in!).

Another tale, same location ? we were mucking about in the Klongs (canals) of Bangkok, and the producers thought it a good idea if we all had a Gamma-globulin jab against hepatitis. So, one by one, as we could be released from the set, we all trooped into her temporary surgery. Rolling up my sleeves, I asked: ?left arm or right?? ?Neither, drop your pants ? it?s in yer bum!?

OOHH! Matron!!

Pat

 

Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>  for Windows 10

 

From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 17 May 2020 14:49
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19

 

In article <6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876 at paulholman.com <mailto:6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876 at paulholman.com> >,

   Paul Holman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

> Sorry, more fake news

 

> https://fullfact.org/online/thrombosis-covid-19/

 

Lots and lots of theories doing the rounds about possible treatments. Some

likely false - some may have a degree of truth.

 

The ones who claim to be right on all counts, likely false.

 

LinkedIn isn't a site that inspires confidence to me. ;-)

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon May 18 03:42:40 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 09:42:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Llamas may hold the key to an effective coronavirus
 treatment
Message-ID: <5ec24a80.1c69fb81.9f5d1.c769@mx.google.com>

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB13HY7o?m=en-gb&ocid=News
I should have forwarded the MSN article ? here it is now.
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon May 18 04:09:34 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 09:09:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Llamas may hold the key to an effective coronavirus
 treatment
In-Reply-To: <5ec24a80.1c69fb81.9f5d1.c769@mx.google.com>
References: <5ec24a80.1c69fb81.9f5d1.c769@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035105F3598D6347FA0E9D2AA7B80@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

With greatest love and respect to everyone, but we are so ultra-saturated with Covid-19 news, fake news, fact and fiction everywhere around us and in the media - do we really need it here?
The best advice you can follow is your own common sense.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 18 May 2020, at 09:43, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB13HY7o?m=en-gb&ocid=News
I should have forwarded the MSN article ? here it is now.
Pat





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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon May 18 04:14:16 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 10:14:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Llamas may hold the key to an effective coronavirus
 treatment
In-Reply-To: <5ec24a80.1c69fb81.9f5d1.c769@mx.google.com>
References: <5ec24a80.1c69fb81.9f5d1.c769@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d62cf4$b4b43680$1e1ca380$@gmail.com>

It was also in the Guardian, but didn?t mention poisonous snakes etc

 

From: patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> 
Sent: 18 May 2020 09:43
To: David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Llamas may hold the key to an effective coronavirus treatment

 

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB13HY7o?m=en-gb <https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB13HY7o?m=en-gb&ocid=News> &ocid=News

I should have forwarded the MSN article ? here it is now.

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 04:23:47 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 10:23:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision
Message-ID: <9ed9db6f-651e-c14a-2d12-40005061d802@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Idly looking through Sunday's Eurovision programmes to spot cameras in 
shot ....

Who's this?? (Brighton 1974)? And what camera?




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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon May 18 04:26:26 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 10:26:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Llamas may hold the key to an effective coronavirus
 treatment
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035105F3598D6347FA0E9D2AA7B80@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <5ec24a80.1c69fb81.9f5d1.c769@mx.google.com>
	<VI1P189MB035105F3598D6347FA0E9D2AA7B80@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <7ac039aa-7b57-016d-791c-7d2626ef4a72@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Common sense would be great, but sadly many of the world's leaders (and 
a great many lesser souls) seem to have acquired an appallingly 
distorted version of that ability.

For common sense to function one has to have a willingness to listen 
carefully, and to filter the illogical and unprovable out. Over the 
years that skill seems to have gone missing...

Chris Woolf


On 18/05/2020 10:09, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> ....
> The best advice you can follow is your own common sense.
> Nick.
>


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon May 18 04:47:46 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 10:47:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Llamas may hold the key to an effective coronavirus
 treatment
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References: <VI1P189MB035105F3598D6347FA0E9D2AA7B80@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <162AB3C6-E728-4E08-9A32-FDC364544E51@icloud.com>

Quite agree with you Nick, but in this case there seems to be solid scientific evidence:
< https://www.cell.com/cell/pdf/S0092-8674(20)30494-3.pdf?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867420304943%3Fshowall%3Dtrue>

Graeme Wall

> On 18 May 2020, at 10:10, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? With greatest love and respect to everyone, but we are so ultra-saturated with Covid-19 news, fake news, fact and fiction everywhere around us and in the media - do we really need it here?
> The best advice you can follow is your own common sense.
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 18 May 2020, at 09:43, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB13HY7o?m=en-gb&ocid=News
>> I should have forwarded the MSN article ? here it is now.
>> Pat
>>  
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 18 05:29:19 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 11:29:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19
Message-ID: <58728847abdavesound@btinternet.com>

One quite interesting point. Spain was badly hit by this virus, but their
neighbour Portugal, not.

Given the similarities between the countries and the open border, there
may be some clues there.

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    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net  Mon May 18 05:31:05 2020
From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 11:31:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision
In-Reply-To: <9ed9db6f-651e-c14a-2d12-40005061d802@gmail.com>
References: <9ed9db6f-651e-c14a-2d12-40005061d802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50F7F7AC-7134-43D1-BD92-8508B1FFAF6C@ukgateway.net>

BBC London OBs definitely serviced the 74  Eurovision show , so definitely an EMI 2001. Unmistakable shape when it?s enlarged a bit.

I didn?t work on it so no idea who the operator is. Someone may have an old rota, it?s only 46 years ago!

Robin S





> On 18 May 2020, at 10:23, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Idly looking through Sunday's Eurovision programmes to spot cameras in shot .... 
> Who's this?  (Brighton 1974)  And what camera?
> 
> <gnepcoieahekpmkf.png>
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
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From loizbale at gmail.com  Mon May 18 06:17:09 2020
From: loizbale at gmail.com (Loiz Bale)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 12:17:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision
Message-ID: <E76ECF6C-686C-492D-A332-E0E1DCCE65BB@gmail.com>

Do hope I?m not being a nuisance. I wonder if it was Stan Bale - my husband he worked on that show and crew apparently went to bookie shop after rehearsals thinking that Waterloo would do it!!! ... the rest is history!
Please forgive my presumption in taking part in your group chat. 
Best wishes to all you wonderful folk who gave us so much!
Loiz Bale

Sent from my iPhone

> On 18 May 2020, at 11:31, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 


From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 18 07:37:52 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 13:37:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
Message-ID: <5872940c85davesound@btinternet.com>

I've set up a more comfortable Zoom area using a separate web cam and my
TV and speakers. For a mic, I've been using my solitary Tram TR50 (that's
the tiny rectangular personal mic from the 80s that came in black grey and
pink for our camera readers. ;-)) 

And of course the most used clip is missing - the crock one. Anyone got a
spare in their work pencil box? By the rate they went missing in use,
there must be thousands around. ;-)

Or know where I can buy one at a sensible price - Ebay not any use on this
occasion. What Tram bits there seem to be on there come from the US with
vast postage costs.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 07:51:23 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 13:51:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
In-Reply-To: <5872940c85davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <5872940c85davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyFHCobtovyuai2z1kA2FLdMU_e9xVgze5jnJsVr4P6FDw@mail.gmail.com>

Pink Noise list one

https://www.pinknoise-systems.co.uk/brand-tram.html

B

On Mon, 18 May 2020, 13:38 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I've set up a more comfortable Zoom area using a separate web cam and my
> TV and speakers. For a mic, I've been using my solitary Tram TR50 (that's
> the tiny rectangular personal mic from the 80s that came in black grey and
> pink for our camera readers. ;-))
>
> And of course the most used clip is missing - the crock one. Anyone got a
> spare in their work pencil box? By the rate they went missing in use,
> there must be thousands around. ;-)
>
> Or know where I can buy one at a sensible price - Ebay not any use on this
> occasion. What Tram bits there seem to be on there come from the US with
> vast postage costs.
>
> --
>     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 18 09:02:34 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 15:02:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyFHCobtovyuai2z1kA2FLdMU_e9xVgze5jnJsVr4P6FDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5872940c85davesound@btinternet.com>
	<CAA7MLyFHCobtovyuai2z1kA2FLdMU_e9xVgze5jnJsVr4P6FDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58729bcdc5davesound@btinternet.com>

Thanks Bernie. ?21 inc delivery. No surprise given the prices asked for
other Tram bits on Ebay.  


In article
<CAA7MLyFHCobtovyuai2z1kA2FLdMU_e9xVgze5jnJsVr4P6FDw at mail.gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Pink Noise list one

> https://www.pinknoise-systems.co.uk/brand-tram.html

> B

> On Mon, 18 May 2020, 13:38 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:

> > I've set up a more comfortable Zoom area using a separate web cam and my
> > TV and speakers. For a mic, I've been using my solitary Tram TR50 (that's
> > the tiny rectangular personal mic from the 80s that came in black grey and
> > pink for our camera readers. ;-))
> >
> > And of course the most used clip is missing - the crock one. Anyone got a
> > spare in their work pencil box? By the rate they went missing in use,
> > there must be thousands around. ;-)
> >
> > Or know where I can buy one at a sensible price - Ebay not any use on this
> > occasion. What Tram bits there seem to be on there come from the US with
> > vast postage costs.
> >
> > --
> >     Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> >
> >
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> >

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon May 18 09:22:31 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 15:22:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Eurovision
In-Reply-To: <50F7F7AC-7134-43D1-BD92-8508B1FFAF6C@ukgateway.net>
References: <50F7F7AC-7134-43D1-BD92-8508B1FFAF6C@ukgateway.net>
Message-ID: <3B5EB86B-81A5-44D7-AE64-44B6806B7C35@me.com>

I too worked on the show. I?m pretty sure that the camera must have been an EMI 2001 as that was the ?normal? camera used on OB scanners at that time. 

I was working one half of the stage, positioning microphones for each act. There were a few challenging circumstances.  First of all the stage sloped towards the audience, which meant that stand mics stood on the tilt, which looked wrong and also meant that they leaned away from the artist. As most of the taller stands were of a type with folding legs ( ST200 ? ), I sourced a supply of washers which could be wedged into the hinge part to make one leg angled lower that the other two so that the column stood vertical when on stage. 

The other challenge was that the art department decided to carpet the stage with a fairly long-pile cream carpet.  The usual approach of camera tape markings for microphone positions looked naff, so I went to Ryman?s and got a sheet of circular white labels about 25 mm in diameter.  We could  write on those labels, stick them in position and they didn?t look too prominent in shot.  During the dress rehearsal ( or the rather disorganised run through that posed as a dress rehearsal ) there was a pause of a few minutes and the band on stage at the time  sat down on the carpet while the issue was resolved.  They very helpfully decided to peel off the round sticky labels that somebody had left on the carpet.  Fortunately, having previously worked on shows where the art dept painted over all our labels at the last minute, I had also made an emergency  plan with measurements, so was able to replace them with new labels. 

The director was Michael Hurll and at the end of the dress rehearsal, it is necessary to have an act come on stage posing as the winners for the closing ceremony. Michael didn?t want to give any act a psychological advantage, so the winning country was announced as being ?Caley?, whereupon Norman Caley walked onto stage in evening dress to perform his act where his arms gradually lengthen to an absurd extent. I don?t know of any recording made at that time, but there is a YouTube video of him doing that act during a Seaside Special starring Cliff Richard from France.

Alan Taylor




> On 18 May 2020, at 11:31, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?BBC London OBs definitely serviced the 74  Eurovision show , so definitely an EMI 2001. Unmistakable shape when it?s enlarged a bit.
> 
> I didn?t work on it so no idea who the operator is. Someone may have an old rota, it?s only 46 years ago!
> 
> Robin S
> 
> <gnepcoieahekpmkf.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 18 May 2020, at 10:23, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Idly looking through Sunday's Eurovision programmes to spot cameras in shot .... 
>> 
>> Who's this?  (Brighton 1974)  And what camera?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <gnepcoieahekpmkf.png>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:    07789 561 346
>> home:   0118 981 7502
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon May 18 12:24:37 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 18:24:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
In-Reply-To: <58729bcdc5davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <58729bcdc5davesound@btinternet.com>
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Here is a picture of my FaceTime/ Zoom setup.

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Rode Lightning interface. Custom leads to 2x XLRs. Shure SM58 mic. Cambridge speaker with rechargeable battery. 

Manfrotto lighting stand, extra long telescopic boom arm, very heavy counterweight, home made iPad mount ( works better upside down in this mode, originally intended to be used on a small stand ). Second boom arm for mic. The mic can be positioned surprisingly close to the person talking due to the lens angle and location of the built in camera. 

The whole contraption can be easily picked up and moved elsewhere, even while in use. If I loosen one of the locking thumbscrews, it can also be swung to offer beautifully smooth panning shots. 

I sometimes use it in the garden when ambient lighting conditions allow me to see the iPad screen.  Extending WiFi to the garden has been very useful this year.  The long boom arm with the counterweight means that it easily reaches across our massive patio table and can also go fairly high for group shots.  If necessary, I can mix multiple microphones and other sources via an audio mixer.

The Rode interface uses 3.5mm jacks and can accept two microphones, but the microphone connection is to the extra ring on the sleeve, just as on the headphone connection on a phone. Off the shelf leads won?t work, so I had to make up leads myself and the cables were of a construction which is very reluctant to strip and dreadful to solder, barely containing any copper in the first place. 

This is a variant of a setup which I described recently which I FedExed to contributors who were overseas.  We supervised them or their support staff via FaceTime, setting it up and getting everything working the way we wanted before the actual interview. We selected the right camera angles and made the best of the available lighting and props. While FaceTime was used to conduct the remote interview, it was actually recorded on additional local iPhones or iPads, those files were then emailed to us to be edited. 

Incidentally, one issue which caught us by surprise was when people use LED lamps for illumination.  The frame rate of the recording is likely to be different from the mains, so flickering became an issue. Incandescent bulbs solve the problem instantly, but trying to explain it via a video call to non technical people in an office where everything has been chosen to be energy efficient can be quite frustrating. 

Alan Taylor 


> 
> On Mon, 18 May 2020, 13:38 Dave Plowman via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:

> I've set up a more comfortable Zoom area using a separate web cam and my
> TV and speakers. For a mic, I've been using my solitary Tram TR50 (that's
> the tiny rectangular personal mic from the 80s that came in black grey and
> pink for our camera readers. ;-))

From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 18 13:09:25 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 19:09:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
In-Reply-To: <6255AE4E-E4C0-4DCD-8459-28055AF535F3@me.com>
References: <58729bcdc5davesound@btinternet.com>
	<6255AE4E-E4C0-4DCD-8459-28055AF535F3@me.com>
Message-ID: <5872b2677adavesound@btinternet.com>

Since I'm single, I've rigged it all up to work via the ordinary TV and
speakers. The Tram sounded a bit woolie, so boosted the top end a bit.
All now seems to work just fine.

In article <6255AE4E-E4C0-4DCD-8459-28055AF535F3 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Here is a picture of my FaceTime/ Zoom setup.

-- 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 19 06:07:26 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 12:07:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19
In-Reply-To: <000201d62ceb$f4deff00$de9cfd00$@gmail.com>
References: <895d5e30-d94c-40df-9e01-34c44ce941a0@me.com>
	<6693dd2d-9836-b685-41a3-82e982d9d876@paulholman.com>
	<5872168deddavesound@btinternet.com>
	<5ec1511c.1c69fb81.8a116.388e@mx.google.com>
	<000201d62ceb$f4deff00$de9cfd00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ec3bdee.1c69fb81.dced2.6563@mx.google.com>

I was intrigued by the llama story, in case some clever laboratory people had plans to try and extract the antibodies from the creatures in order to formulate some sort of a defence against CV19. I cited the snake farm as a similar exercise.

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Denness
Sent: 18 May 2020 09:11
To: 'patheigham'; 'Dave Plowman'
Cc: tech1
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19

Not a lot to do with Llamas? Or CV19?

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 17 May 2020 15:59
To: Dave Plowman <davesound at btinternet.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting Article CV19

MSN (Microsoft News) posted an article today about llamas possibly having antibodies to counteract this Covid19 virus.
Quite prepared to believe this, as the snake farm in Bangkok, which I visited in 1975 kept most of the most highly poisonous specimens in SE Asia, milked the venom, which was then injected into horses. Apparently horses produce antibodies that are then used , by taking their blood and making the anti-venom serums.



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 19 06:42:55 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 12:42:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN
Message-ID: <5ec3c63f.1c69fb81.4751b.f886@mx.google.com>

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB14gFTf?m=en-gb&ocid=News

So the camera never lies ? eh!

Michael Winner got into trouble (with Equity, I believe)  by using cardboard cut-outs to fill a stadium, but forget the film. Think something similar was employed on ?Zulu? with each real warrior carrying a dummy on either side.
Must have seen ?Albert RN? !
Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 19 07:00:03 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:00:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
In-Reply-To: <58729bcdc5davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <5872940c85davesound@btinternet.com>
	<CAA7MLyFHCobtovyuai2z1kA2FLdMU_e9xVgze5jnJsVr4P6FDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<58729bcdc5davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5ec3ca44.1c69fb81.cfb95.23a0@mx.google.com>

Ouch! I recall that the clips were about ?9, new.
A nice story: Shooting an interview over two days with Evelyn Glennie, at her house,
on de-rigging her R/M, the Tram clip disappeared. Not to worry, I said.
The following week, we were covering a concert at the Albert Hall, and she came to find me,
and presented me with the clip which she had found in her desk filing drawer.
Not many people would have bothered, so I?m a great fan of hers!
She is profoundly deaf, but as long as she can see your face to lipread, a perfectly
normal conversation can be carried on. A lovely ,talented lady.

Pat

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Thanks Bernie. ?21 inc delivery. No surprise given the prices asked for
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Tue May 19 07:27:51 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:27:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN
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A trick as old as the movies.

The wounded soldiers scene at the railway station in Gone With the Wind was done with hundreds of dummies filling the numbers up. Animated slightly by an actor between every two dummies to move limbs to give the impression of movement. Brief but very effective. 






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https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB14gFTf?m=en-gb&ocid=News

 

So the camera never lies ? eh!

 

Michael Winner got into trouble (with Equity, I believe)  by using cardboard cut-outs to fill a stadium, but forget the film. Think something similar was employed on ?Zulu? with each real warrior carrying a dummy on either side.

Must have seen ?Albert RN? !

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From relong at btinternet.com  Tue May 19 08:53:39 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:53:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
In-Reply-To: <5ec3ca44.1c69fb81.cfb95.23a0@mx.google.com>
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I recorded a Glennie percussion concert with a great Norwegian trombonist.
She was  wonderful 
Afterwards many kids came to see her, she answered everyone!
She was barefooted ,I think this helped her lip reading acuity ,she is profoundly deaf, but aware of LF.
Roger 

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> On 19 May 2020, at 13:00, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Ouch! I recall that the clips were about ?9, new.
> A nice story: Shooting an interview over two days with Evelyn Glennie, at her house,
> on de-rigging her R/M, the Tram clip disappeared. Not to worry, I said.
> The following week, we were covering a concert at the Albert Hall, and she came to find me,
> and presented me with the clip which she had found in her desk filing drawer.
> Not many people would have bothered, so I?m a great fan of hers!
> She is profoundly deaf, but as long as she can see your face to lipread, a perfectly
> normal conversation can be carried on. A lovely ,talented lady.
>  
> Pat
>  
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> From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
> Sent: 18 May 2020 15:09
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
>  
> Thanks Bernie. ?21 inc delivery. No surprise given the prices asked for
> other Tram bits on Ebay. 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 19 10:36:25 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 16:36:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
Message-ID: <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890@mx.google.com>

Here?s a Quiz a friend sent. The answers are all London Underground or Overground stations.
(I cheated by downloading the tube map, which has a compete list!) Still couldn?t get four, though.
It?s a Word doc so you can type in the answers.
Well it?ll occupy you for a while during lockdown.
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 11:16:28 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:16:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk Pictures
Message-ID: <cd630fb1-8287-b108-8cab-2b65825407ee@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Chester's walk today (Tuesday 19th May) was along the Thames at Goring 
and Streatley.


First the church at Streatley (on the (West) Berkshire side of the River 
Thames.

The Blue Plaque sates that Lewis Carroll ("/Alice in Wonderland/") 
preached here in 1864.- he would have been 32 yrs old at the time.

Then over the Thames on the bridge which is actually part of the Ridgway.

The Hotel on the left is "The Swan":? during the 1970s, it was owned by 
the drag artist Danny La Rue.

... and continue across the bridge to Goring Lock.? Goring is in 
Oxfordshire - it was overall Regional Winner of the? Village of the Year 
regional heat for South England in 2009-201 and a finalist in the small 
towns category of the Britain in Bloom contest in 2019.


The trouble with this stretch of the Thames is that there is a picture 
at every step of the way!? I could take a whole heap of pictures....

The colours of the trees were wonderful - you can't really see the red 
leaves and other colours on this small-sized shot (and anyway it was 
essentially "contre jour" as the tow path is on the North (Oxfordshire) 
side of the Thames at this point!):


...But must include Chester!


... who, as usual, is fascinated by the water birds ...


...and somewhere behind us there is George Michael's house (George 
Michael was found dead there on 26 December 2016):



In the summer of 1893, Oscar Wilde stayed at Ferry House in Goring with 
Lord Alfred Douglas. There, Wilde began writing his play "An Ideal 
Husband", which includes a major character named Lord Goring.

Sir Arthur Harris, the wartime leader of RAF Bomber Command (Bomber 
Harris), lived in an enlarged Ferry Cottage from 1953 until his death in 
1984.

===

I think Chester was glad to get home - he got through nearly 
three-quarters of a normal sized bottle of water in 40 minutes.

Oh, and sorry for all the name-dropping!


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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue May 19 12:27:10 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 18:27:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of TC
Message-ID: <901200E134B74912B1E0830659A1871C@Gigabyte>

Amazing what turns up in loft whilst searching for old photos/trying to have a clear out.
This was an official postcard (showing car park?) from way back.
Top right was all mouldy but Photoshop almost works!

Mike
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue May 19 15:19:56 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:19:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Gothic by Gaslight
References: <1193697637.1000008.1589919596391.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1193697637.1000008.1589919596391@mail.yahoo.com>

Over two-thirds of the way through. I hope you're all keeping up?
'Gothic by Gaslight', Chapter 17, Christmas approaches, and the Monster is about to get a bride.
luv, Rog.
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue May 19 15:47:56 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:47:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
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 Lunar phase following A.M. heavyweight.
I win!

    On Tuesday, 19 May 2020, 16:36:58 BST, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
Here?s a Quiz a friend sent. The answers are all London Underground or Overground stations.

(I cheated by downloading the tube map, which has a compete list!) Still couldn?t get four, though.

It?s a Word doc so you can type in the answers.

Well it?ll occupy you for a while during lockdown.

Pat

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue May 19 15:53:09 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 21:53:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 19 16:12:11 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (MR P HEIGHAM)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 22:12:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
Message-ID: <qyqnkx0b7rue72l1il6ecmjg.1589922731490@email.android.com>

Good one! Should have  been in the list. Never did understand that game in the Radio show!
Pat

On 19 May 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Lunar phase following A.M. heavyweight.


I win!



On Tuesday, 19 May 2020, 16:36:58 BST, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 



Here?s a Quiz a friend sent. The answers are all London Underground or Overground stations.

(I cheated by downloading the tube map, which has a compete list!) Still couldn?t get four, though.

It?s a Word doc so you can type in the answers.

Well it?ll occupy you for a while during lockdown.

Pat

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed May 20 02:56:03 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 08:56:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quiz Answers
Message-ID: <5ec4e292.1c69fb81.6b8fe.7d71@mx.google.com>

Here are the answers to the Stations Quiz, plus an explanation of some.
Open when required.
This was my effort ? green were my correct answers, red ? those I couldn?t get, I was wrong with #1.
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed May 20 03:39:24 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:39:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJk5d0JVw8P3Stjcr9z8thVcezrAyLsADkNrwyeD9QJtjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Last night, BBC4 showed again the 2016 documentary *Television's Opening
Night - How The Box Was Born.* A small team was, according to the Radio
Times, trying "to restage this landmark event."  I enjoy learning about
the history of technology but, a few years ago, I became wary of the BBCs
attitude to accuracy when I saw their response to one expert's criticism.
They said something to the effect that it was "only" a documentary, and its
purpose was just to give viewers a general idea of the subject. Personally,
I'd prefer the makers to remember that accuracy is important in a
documentary.

Television's Opening Night started very badly, showing rooftop TV aerials
and then cutting to a simulated 1930s TV picture. Trouble was that they had
shown UHF aerials, used from the 1960s. One interesting point mentioned,
one that I hadn't heard before, was that Baird himself played no part on
the first night as, being short of cash, he had sold his company four years
earlier.

I noticed that the floor manager used a walkie talkie, although these had
not been invented until a few years after the TV broadcast. And, as
admitted near the end of the programme, the team did "cheat a bit." For the
original programme, film essential to the Baird system was processed in the
studio in under a minute. But, for the documentary, the film was taken away
and processed in a lab. Perhaps that was because Health and Safety would
not tolerate the use in the studio of an "almost neat" cyanide bath,
originally used to ensure rapid film processing. But, bearing in mind that
the team thus avoided one of the major difficulties in making the Baird
system work, the programme was hardly a restaging of this important TV
event.
KW
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Wed May 20 03:59:31 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:59:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
Message-ID: <CAA=qGJmat5tPeQsNsF1hVPM0AZr=pcaqqzpLAOdwdf3cp7z+3A@mail.gmail.com>

I meant to include these two pictures with my previous post:

The opening shot.
[image: Domestic UHF TV aerial.png]

Some archive clips were included. Here's an early camera.
[image: Early TV camera.jpg]
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Wed May 20 04:02:13 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:02:13 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
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References: <CAA=qGJmat5tPeQsNsF1hVPM0AZr=pcaqqzpLAOdwdf3cp7z+3A@mail.gmail.com>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed May 20 04:30:47 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:30:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
In-Reply-To: <qyqnkx0b7rue72l1il6ecmjg.1589922731490@email.android.com>
References: <qyqnkx0b7rue72l1il6ecmjg.1589922731490@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <253549131.1384701.1589967047071@mail.yahoo.com>

 It's easy enough, provided you're playing Montague's Variation, and avoiding diagonals.
In truth, I still have one unsolved question (no. 4), so I'll delay looking at the answers until I've given it more thought.
luv, Rog.
    On Tuesday, 19 May 2020, 22:12:16 BST, MR P HEIGHAM <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:  
 
 
Good one! Should have? been in the list. Never did understand that game in the Radio show!
Pat


On 19 May 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


 Lunar phase following A.M. heavyweight.
I win!

    On Tuesday, 19 May 2020, 16:36:58 BST, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
Here?s a Quiz a friend sent. The answers are all London Underground or Overground stations.

(I cheated by downloading the tube map, which has a compete list!) Still couldn?t get four, though.

It?s a Word doc so you can type in the answers.

Well it?ll occupy you for a while during lockdown.

Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed May 20 06:05:41 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:05:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
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I agree absolutely. If the BBC can?t be arsed to get the details right when making a documentary about it?s beginnings, then who might?

There was a similar issue when they did a documentary recreating the start of Doctor Who.  I noticed masses of things wrong with operational and technical aspects where they showed things that were entirely wrong for that era.  I know that Doctor Who was able to time travel, but didn?t think that the production team could also travel into the future.

It?s not as though there aren?t multiple groups of enthusiasts able to advise on such matters. I can only conclude that the production team didn?t think it was worth the bother.

Producers always used to be aware that you have to be meticulously correct with certain subjects such as military uniforms, railway trains or bird calls, otherwise the legions of experts will spot even the slightest error and make a fuss about it.  Perhaps television operational techniques should be added to that list.

Alan Taylor

> On 20 May 2020, at 09:40, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Last night, BBC4 showed again the 2016 documentary Television's Opening Night - How The Box Was Born. A small team was, according to the Radio Times, trying "to restage this landmark event."  I enjoy learning about the history of technology but, a few years ago, I became wary of the BBCs attitude to accuracy when I saw their response to one expert's criticism. They said something to the effect that it was "only" a documentary, and its purpose was just to give viewers a general idea of the subject. Personally, I'd prefer the makers to remember that accuracy is important in a documentary.
> 
> Television's Opening Night started very badly, showing rooftop TV aerials and then cutting to a simulated 1930s TV picture. Trouble was that they had shown UHF aerials, used from the 1960s. One interesting point mentioned, one that I hadn't heard before, was that Baird himself played no part on the first night as, being short of cash, he had sold his company four years earlier.
> 
> I noticed that the floor manager used a walkie talkie, although these had not been invented until a few years after the TV broadcast. And, as admitted near the end of the programme, the team did "cheat a bit." For the original programme, film essential to the Baird system was processed in the studio in under a minute. But, for the documentary, the film was taken away and processed in a lab. Perhaps that was because Health and Safety would not tolerate the use in the studio of an "almost neat" cyanide bath, originally used to ensure rapid film processing. But, bearing in mind that the team thus avoided one of the major difficulties in making the Baird system work, the programme was hardly a restaging of this important TV event.
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed May 20 06:34:46 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:34:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
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At least the Vanguard self store on the A40 just west of Hangar lane now has a Doctor Who police box on the roof!
They change things often

Mike

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 12:05 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night

I agree absolutely. If the BBC can?t be arsed to get the details right when making a documentary about it?s beginnings, then who might?

There was a similar issue when they did a documentary recreating the start of Doctor Who.  I noticed masses of things wrong with operational and technical aspects where they showed things that were entirely wrong for that era.  I know that Doctor Who was able to time travel, but didn?t think that the production team could also travel into the future.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed May 20 06:54:27 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:54:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
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I recall hearing a director, who on being advised of an error, remarked: ?If they?ve spotted that, then they are not following the story and have lost the plot?.
Possibly true, but with the facility, now of recording a programme, and being able to slo-mo and freeze playback, it?s become a game to catch out the programme makers.
A feature film ?Eye of the Needle? had a sequence on the North York railway ? train enters tunnel, but on emerging, the engine has a different front number!
For followers of IMDb, each film has a ?goof?s? section, where eagle-eyed viewers with nothing better to do, have posted all sorts of errors.
I would think that only tech-ops people who worked in the industry would pick -up on operational techniques misrepresented, not the general viewing public.

Best
Pat


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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night


It?s not as though there aren?t multiple groups of enthusiasts able to advise on such matters. I can only conclude that the production team didn?t think it was worth the bother.

Producers always used to be aware that you have to be meticulously correct with certain subjects such as military uniforms, railway trains or bird calls, otherwise the legions of experts will spot even the slightest error and make a fuss about it. ?Perhaps television operational techniques should be added to that list.

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed May 20 07:00:25 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:00:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Tram TR50 croc clip.
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Much thanks to one of our group, now sorted. Won't name him since he
contacted me directly.

Got me motivated to replace the foam lining of the box which had
disintegrated. Now a nice shade of yellow. ;-)

-- 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed May 20 06:57:19 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 12:57:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
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	<B318C6D9-4A03-4E2F-8758-3276FB76C8FA@me.com>
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In article <B318C6D9-4A03-4E2F-8758-3276FB76C8FA at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Producers always used to be aware that you have to be meticulously
> correct with certain subjects such as military uniforms, railway trains
> or bird calls, otherwise the legions of experts will spot even the
> slightest error and make a fuss about it.  Perhaps television
> operational techniques should be added to that list.

Countless examples of progs I've worked on where 'techical' bits are a
nonsense. Perhaps those responsible don't want to call on the wealth of
knowledge of other departments in their organisation who would know - and
likely be glad to help if asked.

An obvious one is the inside of an electronic box. Say a bomb detonator
(or whatever) where someone has plonked random components on a bit of
Veroboard. The sort of thing were the young lad in maintenance could have
made something that looked the part far better.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alanaudio at me.com  Wed May 20 07:35:22 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:35:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
In-Reply-To: <587398024cdavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <587398024cdavesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <817A138A-DE4C-4520-A85E-A01B91FB19ED@me.com>

There was a WW2 film where a radio operator was having to call for urgent help.  It?s a good job it was fiction, because the device he was using to make the call was a common type of valve tester, which was probably chosen by the art dept because it had a nice assortment of dials, meters and things which light up.

Alan Taylor

> On 20 May 2020, at 13:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <B318C6D9-4A03-4E2F-8758-3276FB76C8FA at me.com>,
>   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Producers always used to be aware that you have to be meticulously
>> correct with certain subjects such as military uniforms, railway trains
>> or bird calls, otherwise the legions of experts will spot even the
>> slightest error and make a fuss about it.  Perhaps television
>> operational techniques should be added to that list.
> 
> Countless examples of progs I've worked on where 'techical' bits are a
> nonsense. Perhaps those responsible don't want to call on the wealth of
> knowledge of other departments in their organisation who would know - and
> likely be glad to help if asked.
> 
> An obvious one is the inside of an electronic box. Say a bomb detonator
> (or whatever) where someone has plonked random components on a bit of
> Veroboard. The sort of thing were the young lad in maintenance could have
> made something that looked the part far better.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed May 20 07:58:51 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:58:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
In-Reply-To: <817A138A-DE4C-4520-A85E-A01B91FB19ED@me.com>
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	<817A138A-DE4C-4520-A85E-A01B91FB19ED@me.com>
Message-ID: <5ec5298a.1c69fb81.70bb3.52bf@mx.google.com>

And I remember working on a Dr.Who, where the set designer had rented some computer props with all the spinning reels. The reverse of the equipment bore the legend ?Billion Dollar Brain? a feature film which had not yet been released.
But the joke bomb result has to be in ?Goldfinger? where Bond manages to prevent detonation with the digital countdown stopping at 007!
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 20 May 2020 13:35
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night

There was a WW2 film where a radio operator was having to call for urgent help.  It?s a good job it was fiction, because the device he was using to make the call was a common type of valve tester, which was probably chosen by the art dept because it had a nice assortment of dials, meters and things which light up.

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From martin at theeccles.uk  Wed May 20 08:20:27 2020
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 14:20:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
In-Reply-To: <587398024cdavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <CAA=qGJk5d0JVw8P3Stjcr9z8thVcezrAyLsADkNrwyeD9QJtjQ@mail.gmail.com>	<B318C6D9-4A03-4E2F-8758-3276FB76C8FA@me.com>
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Message-ID: <00a101d62ea9$6d8e2070$48aa6150$@theeccles.uk>

Television's Opening Night was not a BBC programme but an Argonon
independent production
perhaps who were only thinking of their profit not of accuracy on the
screen.
Martin.


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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf of Dave Plowman via
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Sent: 20 May 2020 12:57
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night

In article <B318C6D9-4A03-4E2F-8758-3276FB76C8FA at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Producers always used to be aware that you have to be meticulously 
> correct with certain subjects such as military uniforms, railway 
> trains or bird calls, otherwise the legions of experts will spot even 
> the slightest error and make a fuss about it.  Perhaps television 
> operational techniques should be added to that list.

Countless examples of progs I've worked on where 'techical' bits are a
nonsense. Perhaps those responsible don't want to call on the wealth of
knowledge of other departments in their organisation who would know - and
likely be glad to help if asked.

An obvious one is the inside of an electronic box. Say a bomb detonator (or
whatever) where someone has plonked random components on a bit of Veroboard.
The sort of thing were the young lad in maintenance could have made
something that looked the part far better.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed May 20 16:29:55 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 22:29:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
Message-ID: <5ec5a152.1c69fb81.7e3d7.2323@mx.google.com>

Hi Everyone,
Just watched Climbing Blind BBC4 ? a splendid achievement of a blind climber scaling the Old Man of Hoy. But any of these films always end with the celebration at the summit. I want to know how they got down again! Helicopter? But not from Everest?

I recall seeing a live OB, in 1967 with a shot of a very unhappy sound guy sheltering under a tarpaulin!
https://hoyheritage.wordpress.com/old-man-of-hoy/climbing-the-old-man-of-hoy/

Pat

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu May 21 00:29:30 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 06:29:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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When Colin a white was Head of Sound at KA, he scheduled us by using an official  big chart on his office wall together with a monthly planner on his desk.  Part of  his technique was that at a very early stage he would very lightly pencil notes in small writing  on that monthly planner, often cryptic notes or abbreviations. Those notes were often erased or shuffled around  as more information became available.   It was common practice to take a sneaky look at his monthly planner to see what might be in store for you in the coming months. 

One summer I spotted a week or so blocked out for me with Hoy lightly pencilled against my name and my heart sank. There was no way I wanted to work for a whole week on the Horse Of the Year show from London, so I deployed a strategically  timed leave chitty to get myself out of it. 

I eventually discovered that his note ?Hoy? didn?t mean Horse Of Year,  but referred to live coverage of an ascent of the Old Man of Hoy, which was exactly the type of show I enjoyed working on. 

Once I discovered my mistake, I tried to get back onto that show, but Colin decided to teach me a lesson and although he was prepared to cancel my leave, he declined to put me back on the climbing show. However he did note my feelings about the Horse Of the Year show and avoided putting me on future ones.  As for missing out on the climbing show, he later put me onto a live snow climb of Ben Nevis which turned out to be quite an adventure and there are many stories that can be told about that particular show. 

Alan Taylor 

> On 20 May 2020, at 22:30, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Everyone,
> Just watched Climbing Blind BBC4 ? a splendid achievement of a blind climber scaling the Old Man of Hoy. But any of these films always end with the celebration at the summit. I want to know how they got down again! Helicopter? But not from Everest?
>  
> I recall seeing a live OB, in 1967 with a shot of a very unhappy sound guy sheltering under a tarpaulin!
> https://hoyheritage.wordpress.com/old-man-of-hoy/climbing-the-old-man-of-hoy/
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu May 21 02:26:13 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 08:26:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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When we did the 1984 climb of Hoy, the climbers traversed across on a wire afterwards. There was some worry that their weight might pull the old man over!

A nice crew outing ? relaxing and tanning in the sun and what about the lovely small radio Mic aerials?

Mike

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:29 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things

Hi Everyone,

Just watched Climbing Blind BBC4 ? a splendid achievement of a blind climber scaling the Old Man of Hoy. But any of these films always end with the celebration at the summit. I want to know how they got down again! Helicopter? But not from Everest?

 

I recall seeing a live OB, in 1967 with a shot of a very unhappy sound guy sheltering under a tarpaulin!

https://hoyheritage.wordpress.com/old-man-of-hoy/climbing-the-old-man-of-hoy/

 

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From colin at colinhassell.com  Thu May 21 03:08:05 2020
From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 09:08:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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Hi MIke

I remember that OB.
And what an interesting place for a Commentary Box.




Colin Hassell

colin at colinhassell.com <mailto:colin at colinhassell.com>
+44-(0)7973-802722
St Albans, Herts, UK


> On 21 May 2020, at 08:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> When we did the 1984 climb of Hoy, the climbers traversed across on a wire afterwards. There was some worry that their weight might pull the old man over!
>  
> A nice crew outing ? relaxing and tanning in the sun and what about the lovely small radio Mic aerials?
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: patheigham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 10:29 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
>  
> Hi Everyone,
> Just watched Climbing Blind BBC4 ? a splendid achievement of a blind climber scaling the Old Man of Hoy. But any of these films always end with the celebration at the summit. I want to know how they got down again! Helicopter? But not from Everest?
>  
> I recall seeing a live OB, in 1967 with a shot of a very unhappy sound guy sheltering under a tarpaulin!
> https://hoyheritage.wordpress.com/old-man-of-hoy/climbing-the-old-man-of-hoy/ <https://hoyheritage.wordpress.com/old-man-of-hoy/climbing-the-old-man-of-hoy/>
>  
> Pat
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 21 03:26:21 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 09:26:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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Think you earned ?4 faults? for a refusal, Alan!
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 21 May 2020 06:29
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Climbing things

When Colin a white was Head of Sound at KA, he scheduled us by using an official ?big chart on his office wall together with a monthly planner on his desk. ?Part of ?his technique was that at a very early stage he would very lightly pencil notes in small writing ?on that monthly planner, often cryptic notes or abbreviations. Those notes were often erased or shuffled around ?as more information became available. ? It was common practice to take a sneaky look at his monthly planner to see what might be in store for you in the coming months.?

One summer I spotted a week or so blocked out for me with Hoy lightly pencilled against my name and my heart sank. There was no way I wanted to work for a whole week on the Horse Of the Year show from London, so I deployed a strategically ?timed leave chitty to get myself out of it.?

I eventually discovered that his note ?Hoy? didn?t mean Horse Of Year, ?but referred to live coverage of an ascent of the Old Man of Hoy, which was exactly the type of show I enjoyed working on.?

Once I discovered my mistake, I tried to get back onto that show, but Colin decided to teach me a lesson and although he was prepared to cancel my leave, he declined to put me back on the climbing show. However he did note my feelings about the Horse Of the Year show and avoided putting me on future ones. ?As for missing out on the climbing show, he later put me onto a live snow climb of Ben Nevis which turned out to be quite an adventure and there are many stories that can be told about that particular show.?

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu May 21 04:28:47 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 10:28:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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Nice one :-)

Raymond Brookes Ward was doing a dressage commentary at Hickstead.  During the routine, one horse lifted it?s tail and did the inevitable, much to the amusement of the crowd. 

Raymond hit the lazy key so that his lip mic went to the scanner instead of transmission and said ?Perfectly consistent sizes, evenly spaced, would have scored a perfect ten, but loses two points for lack of symmetry around the centre line?.

Alan Taylor

> On 21 May 2020, at 09:26, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> ?
> Think you earned ?4 faults? for a refusal, Alan!
> Pat
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May 21 04:33:25 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 10:33:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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You got a crowd for dressage? I did a series of 3-Day Eventing and for the dressage we were lucky to get a ?crowd? in double figures.

Graeme Wall

> On 21 May 2020, at 10:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Nice one :-)
> 
> Raymond Brookes Ward was doing a dressage commentary at Hickstead.  During the routine, one horse lifted it?s tail and did the inevitable, much to the amusement of the crowd. 
> 
> Raymond hit the lazy key so that his lip mic went to the scanner instead of transmission and said ?Perfectly consistent sizes, evenly spaced, would have scored a perfect ten, but loses two points for lack of symmetry around the centre line?.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>>> On 21 May 2020, at 09:26, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>> ?
>> Think you earned ?4 faults? for a refusal, Alan!
>> Pat
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 21 04:41:14 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 09:41:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Annual accounts / tax returns
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I?d just like to say thanks to all the people who emailed me about this, and apologise for not replying to all of you individually. Your comments were very encouraging, all adding up to one thing - I?m being ripped off.
I haven?t decided which way to go from here, and may take up a couple of your suggestions.
Thanks again,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 11 May 2020, at 10:53, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m interested to talk to anyone in a similar ?semi-retired? situation to me who does their own online or paper tax return, or if you use an accountant, how that compares to mine.
> Basically, since de-registering for VAT in 2013, my finances couldn?t be simpler, yet the fee the accountant is quoting me is ?1850.00 inc VAT, a figure that steadily creeps up year on year. 
> When I asked him last year if he was saving me more than he was costing me, he reluctantly said probably not (followed by a lot of smarmy sales-talk about the advantages of using a reputable firm like the one he works for). I?ve been with them for thirty years. 
> What does the team think? If anyone has the time to email me privately in the first instance I?d be really grateful.
> Needless to say, if any of this might be helpful for others, I?ll share details here.
> nick at njware.co.uk or waresound at msn.com
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 21 05:18:12 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 11:18:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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I always enjoyed the H-O-Y show, the Italian D?Inzeo brothers were always a crowd pleaser, being superb horsemen and must have inspired legions of little girls on their Thelwell ponies!
I am careful when driving, to pass horses slowly and wide, as they can suddenly skitter sideways without warning if something spooks them.
I was once passed by a car so close that the wing mirror clipped my stirrup ? really too close! And I wasn?t an experienced rider.

Once in the TVT, (might have posted this story before), on rehearsal, the pony on set, did the tail lift, and the floor manager (think it was Paddy Russell) called for the studio attendant. Voice from behind the scenery:
?If it?s steaming, it?s Special Effects!?

Pat

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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 21 May 2020 10:33
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Climbing things

You got a crowd for dressage? I did a series of 3-Day Eventing and for the dressage we were lucky to get a ?crowd? in double figures.
Graeme Wall


On 21 May 2020, at 10:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
?
Raymond Brookes Ward was doing a dressage commentary at Hickstead. ?During the routine, one horse lifted it?s tail and did the inevitable, much to the amusement of the crowd.?

Raymond hit the lazy key so that his lip mic went to the scanner instead of transmission and said ?Perfectly consistent sizes, evenly spaced, would have scored a perfect ten, but loses two points for lack of symmetry around the centre line?.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 21 05:23:49 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 11:23:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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Interested in how the ?zip? wire was rigged ? was a light rocket line sent over first, like the RNLI use to link to stricken yachts?
Pat

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From: Mike Jordan
Sent: 21 May 2020 08:26
To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Climbing things

When we did the 1984 climb of Hoy, the climbers traversed across on a wire afterwards. There was some worry that their weight might pull the old man over!
?
A nice crew outing ? relaxing and tanning in the sun and what about the lovely small radio Mic aerials?
?
Mike
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu May 21 05:31:26 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 11:31:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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That was in the days when Princess Anne used to compete, so the conventions were somewhat different.  There would be a huge crowd right from the start, even for the dressage, until the Princess completed her turn. Then one millisecond later, the Pimms tents would be heaving.  I would imagine that this particular incident must have been prior to the Princess taking her turn.

Many of you will recall the press being delighted when Princess Ann took a spectacular tumble into the water at a three day event.  The only time I can recall the crew in the scanner cheering loudly was when David Coleman?s daughter took a similar early bath during a cross country event.  It was during the days when D.C. was at his most notorious.

Alan Taylor

> On 21 May 2020, at 10:33, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> ?You got a crowd for dressage? I did a series of 3-Day Eventing and for the dressage we were lucky to get a ?crowd? in double figures.
> 
> Graeme Wall
> 
>>> On 21 May 2020, at 10:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Nice one :-)
>> 
>> Raymond Brookes Ward was doing a dressage commentary at Hickstead.  During the routine, one horse lifted it?s tail and did the inevitable, much to the amusement of the crowd. 
>> 
>> Raymond hit the lazy key so that his lip mic went to the scanner instead of transmission and said ?Perfectly consistent sizes, evenly spaced, would have scored a perfect ten, but loses two points for lack of symmetry around the centre line?.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>>> On 21 May 2020, at 09:26, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>>> ?
>>> Think you earned ?4 faults? for a refusal, Alan!
>>> Pat
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu May 21 05:56:15 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 11:56:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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No idea Pat

After initial planning etc I was mainly based on the mainland with the uplink!

Mike

From: patheigham 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 11:23 AM
To: Mike Jordan ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
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Interested in how the ?zip? wire was rigged ? was a light rocket line sent over first, like the RNLI use to link to stricken yachts?

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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 21 06:06:15 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 11:06:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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?
?My worst ?climbing things? disaster happened at Val d?Isere. It was a major Men?s Downhill OB event, and we (*cameraman and me) were there as PSC Support. Our American AP wanted to do some grabbed competitor interviews and b-roll right at the top, at the ?hut?. From the ski lift to the hut was a steep climb, and at that altitude, carrying gear was a real struggle. It was my extreme displeasure to have to carry a freezing cold Vinten Vision 5 tripod, plus basic sound kit and spare tapes and camera batteries, while the AP carried nothing. We made it, breathless, to the top, and when the cameraman pulled the camera out of its bag, to my horror the SQN tails were not attached to it.
?Where are the tails?? I asked.
?Oh, I took them off because it wouldn?t go in the bag with the wide zoom on the front?.
?Great, so where are they??
?Oh, I must have left them on the table in my hotel room?.
?And I see you took the camera mic off too, that?s most helpful!?
In those days we used SQN mixers that had no integral recording facility. In fact, unbelievably, they still don?t. The only microphone option I had with me was the pole mic, and because that was a stereo rig, the output XLR connector was 5 pin, and couldn?t plug into the back of the camera. A trip down the mountain and back to get the tails would have taken about 90 minutes, so not an option.
To this day, whatever the job, I don?t go anywhere without a plan B for everything.
I?m not sure who was the more furious, me or the AP. Suffice to say, we never got that gig again. Cameraman, completely unrepentant or apologetic.
There are Cameramen, and there are cameramen.
(*not the one Pat might assume it was. He would never do a thing like that).
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 21 May 2020, at 10:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? You got a crowd for dressage? I did a series of 3-Day Eventing and for the dressage we were lucky to get a ?crowd? in double figures.

Graeme Wall

On 21 May 2020, at 10:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Nice one :-)

Raymond Brookes Ward was doing a dressage commentary at Hickstead.  During the routine, one horse lifted it?s tail and did the inevitable, much to the amusement of the crowd.

Raymond hit the lazy key so that his lip mic went to the scanner instead of transmission and said ?Perfectly consistent sizes, evenly spaced, would have scored a perfect ten, but loses two points for lack of symmetry around the centre line?.

Alan Taylor

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From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk  Thu May 21 07:54:48 2020
From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 13:54:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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When I was on staff with YTV we had a gread film unit of 11 crews. It was often a bit of a lottery which Cameraman we would work with. Luckily there were only 3 out of the eleven who did not make the job a joy to get on with. The Film unit manager, Gus McNeill, always tried to keep us working with 'our usual crew', wich, yes, made working on the YTV film unit a joy!

We all got on well together and we recognied each other's style of working. Yes, there were a few cameramen who looked down on 'sound recordists' and were hrd work to be with, but our manager tried to keep people who worked together, together and working at YTV for filmcrews, was a joyful business.

Then came margaret thatcher.

YTV decided that it would like all the 'technicians' to be 'swapped around'.

The job became a nightmare, overnight.

Teamwork, which had been valued and respected, disappeared, with Studio Crews members fighting to get out on film jobs.

I was glad to go freelance.

Terry
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  From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
  To: 12:06 PM
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  ? 
  ?My worst ?climbing things? disaster happened at Val d?Isere. It was a major Men?s Downhill OB event, and we (*cameraman and me) were there as PSC Support. Our American AP wanted to do some grabbed competitor interviews and b-roll right at the top, at the ?hut?. From the ski lift to the hut was a steep climb, and at that altitude, carrying gear was a real struggle. It was my extreme displeasure to have to carry a freezing cold Vinten Vision 5 tripod, plus basic sound kit and spare tapes and camera batteries, while the AP carried nothing. We made it, breathless, to the top, and when the cameraman pulled the camera out of its bag, to my horror the SQN tails were not attached to it.
  ?Where are the tails?? I asked.

  ?Oh, I took them off because it wouldn?t go in the bag with the wide zoom on the front?. 
  ?Great, so where are they?? 
  ?Oh, I must have left them on the table in my hotel room?. 
  ?And I see you took the camera mic off too, that?s most helpful!? 
  In those days we used SQN mixers that had no integral recording facility. In fact, unbelievably, they still don?t. The only microphone option I had with me was the pole mic, and because that was a stereo rig, the output XLR connector was 5 pin, and couldn?t plug into the back of the camera. A trip down the mountain and back to get the tails would have taken about 90 minutes, so not an option.
  To this day, whatever the job, I don?t go anywhere without a plan B for everything.
  I?m not sure who was the more furious, me or the AP. Suffice to say, we never got that gig again. Cameraman, completely unrepentant or apologetic.
  There are Cameramen, and there are cameramen.
  (*not the one Pat might assume it was. He would never do a thing like that).
  Cheers,
  Nick.


  Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


    On 21 May 2020, at 10:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


    ? You got a crowd for dressage? I did a series of 3-Day Eventing and for the dressage we were lucky to get a ?crowd? in double figures.


    Graeme Wall


      On 21 May 2020, at 10:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      ? 
      Nice one :-)


      Raymond Brookes Ward was doing a dressage commentary at Hickstead.  During the routine, one horse lifted it?s tail and did the inevitable, much to the amusement of the crowd. 


      Raymond hit the lazy key so that his lip mic went to the scanner instead of transmission and said ?Perfectly consistent sizes, evenly spaced, would have scored a perfect ten, but loses two points for lack of symmetry around the centre line?.


      Alan Taylor




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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 21 10:57:21 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:57:21 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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In the interests of accuracy by the way, I?ve remembered that it was a Ronford Fluid 5 (6? bowl), not Vinten Vision 5. The latter is what I?ve got and weighs nothing compared to the Ronford.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 21 May 2020, at 12:06, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:

?
?
?My worst ?climbing things? disaster happened at Val d?Isere. It was a major Men?s Downhill OB event, and we (*cameraman and me) were there as PSC Support. Our American AP wanted to do some grabbed competitor interviews and b-roll right at the top, at the ?hut?. From the ski lift to the hut was a steep climb, and at that altitude, carrying gear was a real struggle. It was my extreme displeasure to have to carry a freezing cold Vinten Vision 5 tripod, plus basic sound kit and spare tapes and camera batteries, while the AP carried nothing. We made it, breathless, to the top, and when the cameraman pulled the camera out of its bag, to my horror the SQN tails were not attached to it.
?Where are the tails?? I asked.
?Oh, I took them off because it wouldn?t go in the bag with the wide zoom on the front?.
?Great, so where are they??
?Oh, I must have left them on the table in my hotel room?.
?And I see you took the camera mic off too, that?s most helpful!?
In those days we used SQN mixers that had no integral recording facility. In fact, unbelievably, they still don?t. The only microphone option I had with me was the pole mic, and because that was a stereo rig, the output XLR connector was 5 pin, and couldn?t plug into the back of the camera. A trip down the mountain and back to get the tails would have taken about 90 minutes, so not an option.
To this day, whatever the job, I don?t go anywhere without a plan B for everything.
I?m not sure who was the more furious, me or the AP. Suffice to say, we never got that gig again. Cameraman, completely unrepentant or apologetic.
There are Cameramen, and there are cameramen.
(*not the one Pat might assume it was. He would never do a thing like that).
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 21 May 2020, at 10:34, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? You got a crowd for dressage? I did a series of 3-Day Eventing and for the dressage we were lucky to get a ?crowd? in double figures.

Graeme Wall

On 21 May 2020, at 10:29, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Nice one :-)

Raymond Brookes Ward was doing a dressage commentary at Hickstead.  During the routine, one horse lifted it?s tail and did the inevitable, much to the amusement of the crowd.

Raymond hit the lazy key so that his lip mic went to the scanner instead of transmission and said ?Perfectly consistent sizes, evenly spaced, would have scored a perfect ten, but loses two points for lack of symmetry around the centre line?.

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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu May 21 14:50:07 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 19:50:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Climbing things
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Speaking as a cameraman, I'm both astounded and horrified that someone designated to be a cameraman could be so ignorant of sound (which even I will admit is often the most important aspect of a shoot, when expecting an interview, talking heads?, tv,? gosh surely that's obvious!) as to remove tails and on-board mic, I quite agree.....arggghh.

Reminds me of a live I did for an election night. We were assigned to be at Conservative party HQ in Smith Square to record the expected jollifications over a presumed Conservative victory. We were working into TS1, and with direction from a whole production team, had to light several areas to show the partying. They assured us during the rig that there were no interviews to be conducted from there. So, much to the moaning of my two sparks, I also arranged a side room as an interview area (what? TV? talking heads?). On the night (you've guessed) no partying, no Tory party members whatsoever, but about 2.30, another production team came rushing in with John Selwyn Gummer, and could we do a down the line with TVC? Yes, and we were on and off the air within 5 minutes. Grudging acceptance from sparks, no thanks or anything from a vanished production mob, themselves having been congratulated from TVC (just as well I could hear talkback).

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 21 16:55:08 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 22:55:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Farrow & Ball Paint
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Apologies for this not being an interesting TV related topic but I?m curious if any, or should I say how many, on this list have had problems with Farrow & Ball paint?

We painted our hardwood bench in this make of paint. Since it went water based a few years ago the paint was a nightmare to put on - twice as long as conventional oil based paint & undercoat. 

Less than a couple of years outside the paint started to fail in a few small areas. Now, four years since we first painted it, most of the bench needs a thorough sanding and complete repaint. 

Yes we did everything exactly as per the instructions - we?ve never had any problems in the past with conventional oil based paint. 
 

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It?s bloody expensive paint - very well marketed towards the middle classes with big grand houses (and those trying to emulate them) with a tempting range of colour names that perform better on museum walls where it is nice & dry & nobody touches them! 

I?m talking about the paint quality here, not the colours themselves. OK water based means less VOCs but as I now have to drive to B&Q to buy another tin of paint (or get it delivered by a delivery man & van using fuel etc) and spend two or three days of my life I can?t get back sanding and repainting the bench I?ll be causing even more pollution than if I had used an oil based in the first place!

Based on my own experience I consider changing to water based seems a failure and appears a case of Farrow & Balls up. 

Steve



From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 21 17:22:45 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 22:22:45 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Farrow & Ball Paint
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It seems to be a fact that water-based paints don?t penetrate and adhere to the wood grain as well as oil-based paints. I?m having the same problem here with garden sheds, rose arch, gazebo, etc.
Same problem with water-based wood stains (Ronseal, Rustins, etc.), that I would normally expect to apply with a cloth. It just wipes away leaving very little colour. Applying with a brush dries streaky. PITA.
And of course, it doesn?t help that you can?t buy properly seasoned timber nowadays. New kiln dried timber, particularly pine, is often so ?green? that it?s totally water repellent.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 21 May 2020, at 22:55, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Apologies for this not being an interesting TV related topic but I?m curious if any, or should I say how many, on this list have had problems with Farrow & Ball paint?

We painted our hardwood bench in this make of paint. Since it went water based a few years ago the paint was a nightmare to put on - twice as long as conventional oil based paint & undercoat.

Less than a couple of years outside the paint started to fail in a few small areas. Now, four years since we first painted it, most of the bench needs a thorough sanding and complete repaint.

Yes we did everything exactly as per the instructions - we?ve never had any problems in the past with conventional oil based paint.


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It?s bloody expensive paint - very well marketed towards the middle classes with big grand houses (and those trying to emulate them) with a tempting range of colour names that perform better on museum walls where it is nice & dry & nobody touches them!

I?m talking about the paint quality here, not the colours themselves. OK water based means less VOCs but as I now have to drive to B&Q to buy another tin of paint (or get it delivered by a delivery man & van using fuel etc) and spend two or three days of my life I can?t get back sanding and repainting the bench I?ll be causing even more pollution than if I had used an oil based in the first place!

Based on my own experience I consider changing to water based seems a failure and appears a case of Farrow & Balls up.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May 22 00:35:20 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 06:35:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Farrow & Ball Paint
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I had similar problems with exterior paintwork on my house and was very disappointed with the water based paint I used.  A neighbour who is a decorator told me that you need to be especially meticulous about surface preparation, priming and undercoating when using water based top coats.  He specifically recommended using Zinsser bulls eye 123 primer.
 https://www.screwfix.com/p/zinsser-bulls-eye-1-2-3-primer-sealer-2-5ltr/10136

I was sceptical as I have always been careful to prepare and prime wood carefully, but  tried it and so far the results have been excellent. It?s only three years since I started using that primer / sealer, but the paintwork is looking as though it will be fine for quite some time. 

Obviously when you're  painting something which has previously been painted, if you are over-painting rather than stripping back to bare wood, the results will depend on what?s already there, but with something as intricate as your bench, I?m not sure how practical is might be to get back to bare wood and start again. 

Incidentally, we all know that paint can be shockingly expensive. Online suppliers often offer top brands at substantially lower prices than you might find locally, but you need to spend a minimum amount to get free delivery, often only two or three assorted tins. 

Alan Taylor



> On 21 May 2020, at 22:56, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Apologies for this not being an interesting TV related topic but I?m curious if any, or should I say how many, on this list have had problems with Farrow & Ball paint?
> 
> We painted our hardwood bench in this make of paint. Since it went water based a few years ago the paint was a nightmare to put on - twice as long as conventional oil based paint & undercoat. 
> 
> Less than a couple of years outside the paint started to fail in a few small areas. Now, four years since we first painted it, most of the bench needs a thorough sanding and complete repaint. 
> 
> Yes we did everything exactly as per the instructions - we?ve never had any problems in the past with conventional oil based paint. 
> 
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> <image.jpg>
> 
> 
> It?s bloody expensive paint - very well marketed towards the middle classes with big grand houses (and those trying to emulate them) with a tempting range of colour names that perform better on museum walls where it is nice & dry & nobody touches them! 
> 
> I?m talking about the paint quality here, not the colours themselves. OK water based means less VOCs but as I now have to drive to B&Q to buy another tin of paint (or get it delivered by a delivery man & van using fuel etc) and spend two or three days of my life I can?t get back sanding and repainting the bench I?ll be causing even more pollution than if I had used an oil based in the first place!
> 
> Based on my own experience I consider changing to water based seems a failure and appears a case of Farrow & Balls up. 
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May 22 02:38:21 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:38:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Farrow & Ball Paint
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The moral of the story is to buy proper oil based paints everywhere. Also if painting a shed or especially a fence, but Creocote (available at most professional places and even B&Q) which is almost as good as Creosote and will last for ages! It is a joy to see it soak in and last not like this waterbased cr*p that people put on fences now.
My neighbour had a new fence ? all hideously bright orange from the preservative ? and I wasn?t allowed to paint my side as that invalidated his guarantee. However he did give me an offcut which I used in my rear fence (house fences at rear don?t quite line up here!) and after letting Creocote dry after about 3 days it is now nice and dark and still good.

Same with a new front door/frame/panels I had done (over 80years old). Door is gloss oil paint which had to be done in their sealed room in S Wales and frame in waterbased stuff which is cracking and terrible and I officially wasn?t allowed to drill hole in it for door bell and alarm contact. The door cracked on joints (I live in the sunny side of the street) and they had to give me a temporary one and take it back to Wales to fill and repaint but at least they gave me spare paint to mend. AS they said, you just can?t get the wood nowadays. Most sealant around infills is cracked as also modern stuff.
The side panels which were tongue and groove were at lest replaced with quality ply and gouged lines to resemble the T&G.

Their main London place turned out to be across the yard from where BBC OBs were just closing in Langley!!

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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri May 22 02:58:36 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 08:58:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Farrow & Ball Paint
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I quite like Sadolin which is available in a range of colours and needs no primer or undercoat. It gives a reasonable gloss finish on planed timber, but I?ve used it quite effectively on rougher wood like gravel board. 

I absolutely agree about the water based rubbish which came with our shed and new fencing a year or three ago. It creates a real problem when it wears unevenly as the creocote type of treatment won?t soak in where the water based paint remains reasonably sound and the prospect of cleaning it off thoroughly from a shed and fifty or sixty feet of fencing is quite unappealing, if not impossible!

Mike G

> On 22 May 2020, at 08:38, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> The moral of the story is to buy proper oil based paints everywhere. Also if painting a shed or especially a fence, but Creocote (available at most professional places and even B&Q) which is almost as good as Creosote and will last for ages! It is a joy to see it soak in and last not like this waterbased cr*p that people put on fences now.
> My neighbour had a new fence ? all hideously bright orange from the preservative ? and I wasn?t allowed to paint my side as that invalidated his guarantee. However he did give me an offcut which I used in my rear fence (house fences at rear don?t quite line up here!) and after letting Creocote dry after about 3 days it is now nice and dark and still good.
>  
> Same with a new front door/frame/panels I had done (over 80years old). Door is gloss oil paint which had to be done in their sealed room in S Wales and frame in waterbased stuff which is cracking and terrible and I officially wasn?t allowed to drill hole in it for door bell and alarm contact. The door cracked on joints (I live in the sunny side of the street) and they had to give me a temporary one and take it back to Wales to fill and repaint but at least they gave me spare paint to mend. AS they said, you just can?t get the wood nowadays. Most sealant around infills is cracked as also modern stuff.
> The side panels which were tongue and groove were at lest replaced with quality ply and gouged lines to resemble the T&G.
>  
> Their main London place turned out to be across the yard from where BBC OBs were just closing in Langley!!
>  
> Mike
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Fri May 22 04:10:15 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:10:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Farrow & Ball Paint
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Some interesting replies here to the otherwise dismal subject of paint. 

Just to reiterate, I?m referring to Farrow & Ball?s wickedly expensive ?new? water based alternative to their old oil based paint and it?s failure to perform. 

I often use the cheaper water based wood stains on fencing but this is another completely different product. Not really a protective layer of paint but more of a colour wash at only a tenner a tub what can you expect!
Leaving aside pressure treated softwood, Creosote may be a great preservative for timber directly in contact with the ground but obviously it is a different product for a different role - typically industrial applications nowadays. It is now regulated so Joe public doesn?t do a Henry Cooper and splash it all over the ground and next doors plants when he paints his fence, thereby contaminating the soil for decades.  (Network Rail & BT etc get away with it as they have appropriate ISO accreditation.  Hmmm)

Anyway, Dulux & Sadolin have good ranges of exterior water based alternatives to oil - these seem to last and are easy to apply but this Farrow & Ball water based stuff is the worst paint I have ever experienced. 

Premium price = premium product?  Not so with a tin of F & B well marketed cocktail of horribleness. 

Steve



> On 22 May 2020, at 08:59, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I quite like Sadolin which is available in a range of colours and needs no primer or undercoat. It gives a reasonable gloss finish on planed timber, but I?ve used it quite effectively on rougher wood like gravel board. 
> 
> I absolutely agree about the water based rubbish which came with our shed and new fencing a year or three ago. It creates a real problem when it wears unevenly as the creocote type of treatment won?t soak in where the water based paint remains reasonably sound and the prospect of cleaning it off thoroughly from a shed and fifty or sixty feet of fencing is quite unappealing, if not impossible!
> 
> Mike G
> 
>>> On 22 May 2020, at 08:38, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> The moral of the story is to buy proper oil based paints everywhere. Also if painting a shed or especially a fence, but Creocote (available at most professional places and even B&Q) which is almost as good as Creosote and will last for ages! It is a joy to see it soak in and last not like this waterbased cr*p that people put on fences now.
>> My neighbour had a new fence ? all hideously bright orange from the preservative ? and I wasn?t allowed to paint my side as that invalidated his guarantee. However he did give me an offcut which I used in my rear fence (house fences at rear don?t quite line up here!) and after letting Creocote dry after about 3 days it is now nice and dark and still good.
>>  
>> Same with a new front door/frame/panels I had done (over 80years old). Door is gloss oil paint which had to be done in their sealed room in S Wales and frame in waterbased stuff which is cracking and terrible and I officially wasn?t allowed to drill hole in it for door bell and alarm contact. The door cracked on joints (I live in the sunny side of the street) and they had to give me a temporary one and take it back to Wales to fill and repaint but at least they gave me spare paint to mend. AS they said, you just can?t get the wood nowadays. Most sealant around infills is cracked as also modern stuff.
>> The side panels which were tongue and groove were at lest replaced with quality ply and gouged lines to resemble the T&G.
>>  
>> Their main London place turned out to be across the yard from where BBC OBs were just closing in Langley!!
>>  
>> Mike
>>  
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From phider at gmx.com  Fri May 22 04:12:01 2020
From: phider at gmx.com (phider)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:12:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN
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My 3rd A.D. Ian Macdonald worked on 'Chariots of Fire' for which they filled the back rows of the stadium with lines of painted crowd for the wide shots.Keep safePeterSent from Samsung Mobile on O2
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A trick as old as the movies.The wounded soldiers scene at the 
railway station in Gone With the Wind was done with hundreds of dummies filling 
the numbers up. Animated slightly by an actor between every two dummies to move 
limbs to give the impression of movement. Brief but very effective. 



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https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB14gFTf?m=en-gb&ocid=News
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So the camera never lies ? eh!
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Michael Winner got into trouble (with Equity, I 
believe)? by using cardboard cut-outs to fill a stadium, but forget the 
film. Think something similar was employed on ?Zulu? with each real warrior 
carrying a dummy on either side.
Must have seen ?Albert RN? !
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri May 22 05:46:55 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:46:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Farrow & Ball Paint
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In article
<VI1P189MB0351E249FBFC261970554262A7B70 at VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> It seems to be a fact that water-based paints don?t penetrate and adhere
> to the wood grain as well as oil-based paints. I?m having the same
> problem here with garden sheds, rose arch, gazebo, etc.

Think the trick is to use a spirit based primer. But not possible with
varnish, etc.

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May 22 06:07:05 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:07:05 +0100
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I forget where I read the full article recently but some footie club overseas wanted to make their stands look full on screen so they talked to a compant they knew to get some dummies to fill some seats with T shirts etc on.
Unfortunately the models provided were all ?sex dolls? which was the company involved main product.
The club were ?not amused? much?

Mike

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My 3rd A.D. Ian Macdonald worked on 'Chariots of Fire' for which they filled the back rows of the stadium with lines of painted crowd for the wide shots.

Keep safe
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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Fri May 22 08:07:14 2020
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:07:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN
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Many years ago did a one-off show with Peter Ustinov and Peter Jones, a
quite hilarious day of sketches, one of which was their opening of a
nightclub. Thoughts turned to how to attract punters, and that the only way
was for it to apparently be full. Peter Ustinov's answer was to fill it with
blow-up dolls, and when a genuine punter came along, let one down so there
was room for one. The sketches evolved during the day, with Peter Ustinov at
his best with adlibs and looks.

 

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Sent: 22 May 2020 12:07
To: phider; David Brunt; patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN

 

I forget where I read the full article recently but some footie club
overseas wanted to make their stands look full on screen so they talked to a
compant they knew to get some dummies to fill some seats with T shirts etc
on.

Unfortunately the models provided were all "sex dolls" which was the company
involved main product.

The club were "not amused" much?

 

Mike

 

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My 3rd A.D. Ian Macdonald worked on 'Chariots of Fire' for which they filled
the back rows of the stadium with lines of painted crowd for the wide shots.

 

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May 22 15:59:21 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 20:59:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] The novel continues
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Attached 'Gothic bt Gaslight' chapter 18 - "Return of the Demons", in which our surviving protagonists try to flee the country - but will they succeed?
Now - Are there any historians of steam locomotives out there? In a couple of chapters time I'm going to need some advice, since I think the locomotive I've named, while it undoubtedly did pull this particular train service, may have been about 45 years out-of-date for the time setting of the story. Let me know if you can help.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat May 23 06:59:14 2020
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 12:59:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ustinov
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I?ve always enjoyed Ustinov?s sense of humour, and it was a pleasure to meet and work with him on an NBC doc about ?Real? tennis at Hampton Court during Wimbledon fortnight one year. A large man, he was sweating profusely on the day, and this had the effect of severely limiting the range of his radio mic, as the body absorption of the signal was like a sponge. Was using VHF in those days, and only achieved a few yards.
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Many years ago did a one-off show with Peter Ustinov and Peter Jones, a quite hilarious day of sketches, one of which was their opening of a nightclub. Thoughts turned to how to attract punters, and that the only way was for it to apparently be full. Peter Ustinov?s answer was to fill it with blow-up dolls, and when a genuine punter came along, let one down so there was room for one. The sketches evolved during the day, with Peter Ustinov at his best with adlibs and looks.

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From waresound at msn.com  Sat May 23 13:43:26 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 18:43:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351B8844DF091E54C178CCEA7B50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Was it here I was rabbiting on about Jetwashers about six months ago? I think it was. 
Well, in the end I got a Bosch AQT 42-13 on Amazon. The order was fulfilled by a garden centre company in Wilmslow.
Well, I didn?t get around to trying it until some time in February or March, when I used it intermittently for about an hour, and all was well.
Today, I thought I?d tart up the front drive and got the jet washer out for only it?s second outing. Plugged in, connected hose, plenty of mains water pressure, and after about a minute I thought next door must?ve got a bonfire going (a rare occurrence around here). Nope, it was black smoke coming out of the Bosch, and then it ground to a halt. Amazon says it?s no longer eligible for return, so I?m waiting to see what the Wilmslow lot will have to say. Interestingly, on the Bosch website there?s no such thing as an AQT 42-13, and it doesn?t look as if there ever was.
Hmmm.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Sun May 24 02:01:44 2020
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 08:01:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351B8844DF091E54C178CCEA7B50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB0351B8844DF091E54C178CCEA7B50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Out of curiosity I found some indirect evidence of AQT 42-13 (AQuaTec presumably) on Bosch-DIY.  It appears amongst the lists that certain appropriate accessories, like nozzles, will fit. So it has existed at some time in recent history. 
I have a K?rcher K5 Compact that I bought from Homebase about seven months ago and it has worked twice now, so it?s twice as reliable as your Bosch. I did avoid the electronic ?full control? versions on the basis that water and electronics is not a good mix and is an unnecessary complication anyway. On the other hand it cost around 50% more at ?259.  Reasonable stock levels at Homebase but no delivery which is currently a bit of an issue to us seniors.

Peter Fox

> On 23 May 2020, at 21:17, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Was it here I was rabbiting on about Jetwashers about six months ago? I think it was. 
> Well, in the end I got a Bosch AQT 42-13 on Amazon. The order was fulfilled by a garden centre company in Wilmslow.
> Well, I didn?t get around to trying it until some time in February or March, when I used it intermittently for about an hour, and all was well.
> Today, I thought I?d tart up the front drive and got the jet washer out for only it?s second outing. Plugged in, connected hose, plenty of mains water pressure, and after about a minute I thought next door must?ve got a bonfire going (a rare occurrence around here). Nope, it was black smoke coming out of the Bosch, and then it ground to a halt. Amazon says it?s no longer eligible for return, so I?m waiting to see what the Wilmslow lot will have to say. Interestingly, on the Bosch website there?s no such thing as an AQT 42-13, and it doesn?t look as if there ever was.
> Hmmm.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun May 24 05:22:59 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351B8844DF091E54C178CCEA7B50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB0351B8844DF091E54C178CCEA7B50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Seems to exist at curry's.

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/surface-cleaners/bosch-aqt-42-13-pressure-washer-130-bar-10162787-pdt.html


Chris Woolf

On 23/05/2020 19:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Was it here I was rabbiting on about Jetwashers about six months ago? I think it was.
> Well, in the end I got a Bosch AQT 42-13 on Amazon. The order was fulfilled by a garden centre company in Wilmslow.
> Well, I didn?t get around to trying it until some time in February or March, when I used it intermittently for about an hour, and all was well.
> Today, I thought I?d tart up the front drive and got the jet washer out for only it?s second outing. Plugged in, connected hose, plenty of mains water pressure, and after about a minute I thought next door must?ve got a bonfire going (a rare occurrence around here). Nope, it was black smoke coming out of the Bosch, and then it ground to a halt. Amazon says it?s no longer eligible for return, so I?m waiting to see what the Wilmslow lot will have to say. Interestingly, on the Bosch website there?s no such thing as an AQT 42-13, and it doesn?t look as if there ever was.
> Hmmm.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Sun May 24 05:27:44 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:27:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <VI1P189MB0351B8844DF091E54C178CCEA7B50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Although it is out of stock
Dave D

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Sent: 24 May 2020 11:23
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jet wash

Seems to exist at curry's.

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/surface-cleaners/bosch-aqt-42-13-pressure-washer-130-bar-10162787-pdt.html


Chris Woolf

On 23/05/2020 19:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Was it here I was rabbiting on about Jetwashers about six months ago? I think it was.
> Well, in the end I got a Bosch AQT 42-13 on Amazon. The order was fulfilled by a garden centre company in Wilmslow.
> Well, I didn?t get around to trying it until some time in February or March, when I used it intermittently for about an hour, and all was well.
> Today, I thought I?d tart up the front drive and got the jet washer out for only it?s second outing. Plugged in, connected hose, plenty of mains water pressure, and after about a minute I thought next door must?ve got a bonfire going (a rare occurrence around here). Nope, it was black smoke coming out of the Bosch, and then it ground to a halt. Amazon says it?s no longer eligible for return, so I?m waiting to see what the Wilmslow lot will have to say. Interestingly, on the Bosch website there?s no such thing as an AQT 42-13, and it doesn?t look as if there ever was.
> Hmmm.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun May 24 05:38:27 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:38:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <VI1P189MB0351B8844DF091E54C178CCEA7B50@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <868a4e83-937e-dc6c-783a-1d5c4aa9647b@chriswoolf.co.uk>

You might have to be a bit heavy with your threats but you have an 
absolute legal right to a repair/replacement/refund for something that 
fails so quickly.

Many companies squirm around about warranties but if you send one or two 
carefully worded letters (recorded delivery) few of them hold out that 
long, if they can see that you have read up the relevant EU laws on the 
subject - and, yes, for a few more months those still thankfully apply. 
After December? You are probably stuffed.

Chris Woolf


On 24/05/2020 11:22, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> Seems to exist at curry's.
>
> https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/surface-cleaners/bosch-aqt-42-13-pressure-washer-130-bar-10162787-pdt.html 
>
>
>
> Chris Woolf
>
> On 23/05/2020 19:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Was it here I was rabbiting on about Jetwashers about six months ago? 
>> I think it was.
>> Well, in the end I got a Bosch AQT 42-13 on Amazon. The order was 
>> fulfilled by a garden centre company in Wilmslow.
>> Well, I didn?t get around to trying it until some time in February or 
>> March, when I used it intermittently for about an hour, and all was 
>> well.
>> Today, I thought I?d tart up the front drive and got the jet washer 
>> out for only it?s second outing. Plugged in, connected hose, plenty 
>> of mains water pressure, and after about a minute I thought next door 
>> must?ve got a bonfire going (a rare occurrence around here). Nope, it 
>> was black smoke coming out of the Bosch, and then it ground to a 
>> halt. Amazon says it?s no longer eligible for return, so I?m waiting 
>> to see what the Wilmslow lot will have to say. Interestingly, on the 
>> Bosch website there?s no such thing as an AQT 42-13, and it doesn?t 
>> look as if there ever was.
>> Hmmm.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>


From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun May 24 06:07:10 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 12:07:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F@btinternet.com>

Just to add: Like the power tool market, power washers are also widely available as ?last 5 minutes? fakes. 
(not suggesting your Bosch is) 

Even the genuine items like Karchers have been cheapened to the point they don?t last like they used to. Buying these types of things these days seems to have become a minefield. 

Is there a possibility the buyers for the large retailers etc are just youngsters scoring career points when they get offered a warehouse full of cheap branded or potentially faulty goods which may have originated from unknown sources- .....how can we be sure?

I decided to opt for Stihl (the chainsaw people) as you can only buy their products from authorised dealers (rather than Amazon etc) 
.....no they?re not cheap but you can normally get the proper support & spares from the dealers (should you ever need them) rather than the Sir James landfill option. 

Steve
(No I?m not on commission)



> I On 24 May 2020, at 11:22, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Seems to exist at curry's.
> 
> https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/surface-cleaners/bosch-aqt-42-13-pressure-washer-130-bar-10162787-pdt.html
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
>> On 23/05/2020 19:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Was it here I was rabbiting on about Jetwashers about six months ago? I think it was.
>> Well, in the end I got a Bosch AQT 42-13 on Amazon. The order was fulfilled by a garden centre company in Wilmslow.
>> Well, I didn?t get around to trying it until some time in February or March, when I used it intermittently for about an hour, and all was well.
>> Today, I thought I?d tart up the front drive and got the jet washer out for only it?s second outing. Plugged in, connected hose, plenty of mains water pressure, and after about a minute I thought next door must?ve got a bonfire going (a rare occurrence around here). Nope, it was black smoke coming out of the Bosch, and then it ground to a halt. Amazon says it?s no longer eligible for return, so I?m waiting to see what the Wilmslow lot will have to say. Interestingly, on the Bosch website there?s no such thing as an AQT 42-13, and it doesn?t look as if there ever was.
>> Hmmm.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun May 24 06:07:10 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 12:07:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F@btinternet.com>

Just to add: Like the power tool market, power washers are also widely available as ?last 5 minutes? fakes. 
(not suggesting your Bosch is) 

Even the genuine items like Karchers have been cheapened to the point they don?t last like they used to. Buying these types of things these days seems to have become a minefield. 

Is there a possibility the buyers for the large retailers etc are just youngsters scoring career points when they get offered a warehouse full of cheap branded or potentially faulty goods which may have originated from unknown sources- .....how can we be sure?

I decided to opt for Stihl (the chainsaw people) as you can only buy their products from authorised dealers (rather than Amazon etc) 
.....no they?re not cheap but you can normally get the proper support & spares from the dealers (should you ever need them) rather than the Sir James landfill option. 

Steve
(No I?m not on commission)



> I On 24 May 2020, at 11:22, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Seems to exist at curry's.
> 
> https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/home-appliances/floorcare/surface-cleaners/bosch-aqt-42-13-pressure-washer-130-bar-10162787-pdt.html
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
>> On 23/05/2020 19:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Was it here I was rabbiting on about Jetwashers about six months ago? I think it was.
>> Well, in the end I got a Bosch AQT 42-13 on Amazon. The order was fulfilled by a garden centre company in Wilmslow.
>> Well, I didn?t get around to trying it until some time in February or March, when I used it intermittently for about an hour, and all was well.
>> Today, I thought I?d tart up the front drive and got the jet washer out for only it?s second outing. Plugged in, connected hose, plenty of mains water pressure, and after about a minute I thought next door must?ve got a bonfire going (a rare occurrence around here). Nope, it was black smoke coming out of the Bosch, and then it ground to a halt. Amazon says it?s no longer eligible for return, so I?m waiting to see what the Wilmslow lot will have to say. Interestingly, on the Bosch website there?s no such thing as an AQT 42-13, and it doesn?t look as if there ever was.
>> Hmmm.
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun May 24 06:57:43 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 12:57:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F@btinternet.com>
References: <1eb4421f-2e2e-8c6f-4a5f-c97dfa236273@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F at btinternet.com>,
   Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Just to add: Like the power tool market, power washers are also widely
> available as ?last 5 minutes? fakes. (not suggesting your Bosch is) 

> Even the genuine items like Karchers have been cheapened to the point
> they don?t last like they used to. Buying these types of things these
> days seems to have become a minefield. 

IMHO, unless there is a really good pro brand like Makita available, you
might as well just get one from Lidl or Aldi (when they are available) as
they give you a money back three year warranty (but best to keep the
receipt)

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun May 24 10:03:49 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 16:03:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>

If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good make as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible counterfeit as you can buy these from almost anywhere. 

Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet yet? A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go bang on month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it first may have appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)

I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job.  We run both new & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have been subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our local dealer if we need it desperately. 

The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now or you pays your money & takes your chances. 

Steve



 

>> On 24 May 2020, at 13:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?In article <0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F at btinternet.com>,
>   Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Just to add: Like the power tool market, power washers are also widely
>> available as ?last 5 minutes? fakes. (not suggesting your Bosch is)
> 
>> Even the genuine items like Karchers have been cheapened to the point
>> they don?t last like they used to. Buying these types of things these
>> days seems to have become a minefield.
> 
> IMHO, unless there is a really good pro brand like Makita available, you
> might as well just get one from Lidl or Aldi (when they are available) as
> they give you a money back three year warranty (but best to keep the
> receipt)
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Sun May 24 10:03:49 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 16:03:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>

If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good make as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible counterfeit as you can buy these from almost anywhere. 

Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet yet? A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go bang on month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it first may have appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)

I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job.  We run both new & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have been subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our local dealer if we need it desperately. 

The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now or you pays your money & takes your chances. 

Steve



 

>> On 24 May 2020, at 13:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?In article <0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F at btinternet.com>,
>   Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Just to add: Like the power tool market, power washers are also widely
>> available as ?last 5 minutes? fakes. (not suggesting your Bosch is)
> 
>> Even the genuine items like Karchers have been cheapened to the point
>> they don?t last like they used to. Buying these types of things these
>> days seems to have become a minefield.
> 
> IMHO, unless there is a really good pro brand like Makita available, you
> might as well just get one from Lidl or Aldi (when they are available) as
> they give you a money back three year warranty (but best to keep the
> receipt)
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sun May 24 10:52:50 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 16:52:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
References: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
	<1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
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It also depends what you are using the tools for.

If you are a very occasional builder/repairer/project person then light 
cheap tools are often good enough - and if one goes bang a bit early you 
haven't paid too much for it.

But if you want to use tools in a more concerted fashion then paying 
proper money for decent ones makes a massive difference. I have some 
Makita ones with all metal gears and brushless motors. They cost a fair 
bit more than the base versions but they are far more powerful, and run 
for far longer per battery. The jigsaw has a blade that keeps its 
perpendicularity (cheaper tools soon wear the grooved idler). The impact 
driver wears out the bits, not its internal ratchet. I have never 
regretted paying out the money.

I would concur with the Stihl ones too. If you are cutting several 
tonnes of beech, you will be forever tightening the bolts on cheaper 
saws, struggling to get them started when hot, and cursing the excessive 
wear on the bar that lets the chain lean sideways.

Those sort of makes are likely to give 10 years hard graft and cost you 
no more than 3 sets of the crappier ones.

Chris Woolf


On 24/05/2020 16:03, Steve Edwards via Tech1 wrote:
> If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good 
> make as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible 
> counterfeit as you can buy these from almost anywhere.
>
> Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or 
> proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool 
> hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet 
> yet? A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go 
> bang on month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it 
> first may have appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)
>
> I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job. ?We run both 
> new & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have 
> been subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site 
> conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break 
> anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our 
> local dealer if we need it desperately.
>
> The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now /or/ you 
> pays your money & takes your chances.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
>> On 24 May 2020, at 13:06, Dave Plowman via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?In article <0A4BDD1E-0FAD-4091-8C29-7F8D90B3403F at btinternet.com>,
>> ??Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Just to add: Like the power tool market, power washers are also widely
>>> available as ?last 5 minutes? fakes. (not suggesting your Bosch is)
>>
>>> Even the genuine items like Karchers have been cheapened to the point
>>> they don?t last like they used to. Buying these types of things these
>>> days seems to have become a minefield.
>>
>> IMHO, unless there is a really good pro brand like Makita available, you
>> might as well just get one from Lidl or Aldi (when they are available) as
>> they give you a money back three year warranty (but best to keep the
>> receipt)
>>
>> -- 
>> ???Dave Plowman ????dave at davesound.co.uk ????London SW 12
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun May 24 11:22:26 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 16:22:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
References: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>,
	<1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035154F629717A859FD1E77AA7B20@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have sent off an email complaint about the jet washer, and will wait to see what reply I get.
It?s my view that nowadays tools are just made for selling  - you?re not supposed to use them! Speaking as someone who has spent a lifetime making things, mending things, and taking things apart to see how they work, and how I can make them better, I can say that over the years I?ve bought a lot of tools.
Among them of course, screwdrivers. Plenty of them have been Stanley cross-head screwdrivers, Posidriv and Phillips. But, my ?goto? PX1 screwdriver is a Stanley, one I bought many decades ago from the tool counter in Woolworths (remember that?). Countless more recent Stanley PX1 purchases have worn and lost their shape within days (damaging the screw head when you try to use them), but the Woolies one is a perfect fit still - after all this time - every time.
And it?s not just screwdrivers!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 24 May 2020, at 16:04, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good make as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible counterfeit as you can buy these from almost anywhere.

Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet yet? A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go bang on month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it first may have appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)

I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job.  We run both new & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have been subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our local dealer if we need it desperately.

The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now or you pays your money & takes your chances.

Steve
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun May 24 16:29:13 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 22:29:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035154F629717A859FD1E77AA7B20@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
	<1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
	<VI1P189MB035154F629717A859FD1E77AA7B20@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <4BFDF07F-3F62-46C3-8D8F-AE3FBFCA057B@mac.com>

I?ve bought two apparently reasonable quality Pozidrive long reach screwdrivers in the past few years and each in turn has failed, I can only say catastrophically, in that the bits, which are a different metal from the shaft, have shattered, long before showing any sign of wear. Indeed, the fact that there was no wear is evidenced by the screwdrivers remaining firrnly in the screw. I confess to being surprised at my own strength!

I?m now on a cheapish set of Lidl long reach screwdrivers and torx drivers and my fingers are firmly crossed ~ so far so good. I?ve bought quite a lot of very reasonably priced tools from Lidl over many years and have yet to be disappointed.

Mike G


> On 24 May 2020, at 17:22, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have sent off an email complaint about the jet washer, and will wait to see what reply I get.
> It?s my view that nowadays tools are just made for selling  - you?re not supposed to use them! Speaking as someone who has spent a lifetime making things, mending things, and taking things apart to see how they work, and how I can make them better, I can say that over the years I?ve bought a lot of tools.
> Among them of course, screwdrivers. Plenty of them have been Stanley cross-head screwdrivers, Posidriv and Phillips. But, my ?goto? PX1 screwdriver is a Stanley, one I bought many decades ago from the tool counter in Woolworths (remember that?). Countless more recent Stanley PX1 purchases have worn and lost their shape within days (damaging the screw head when you try to use them), but the Woolies one is a perfect fit still - after all this time - every time.
> And it?s not just screwdrivers!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 24 May 2020, at 16:04, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good make as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible counterfeit as you can buy these from almost anywhere. 
>> 
>> Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet yet? A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go bang on month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it first may have appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)
>> 
>> I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job.  We run both new & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have been subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our local dealer if we need it desperately. 
>> 
>> The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now or you pays your money & takes your chances. 
>> 
>> Steve
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 25 05:19:32 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:19:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
References: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
	<1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5876223ba1davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D at btinternet.com>,
   Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good make
> as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible counterfeit as
> you can buy these from almost anywhere. 

Best to buy from a reputable source, as they say?

> Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or
> proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool
> hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet yet?
> A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go bang on
> month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it first may have
> appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)

Lidl and Aldi sell tools for DIY use at a DIY price. I have quite a
selection of them, and IMHO are better quality and value than similar
budget tools bought eleswhere. Like say shed own brands.
But they are pretty unique in giving that 3 year money back warranty.    

> I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job.  We run both new
> & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have been
> subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site
> conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break
> anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our
> local dealer if we need it desperately. 

Of course pro tools are better. But may well be 4 times the price (or
more) than a DIY one that does much the same job. And the gap between pro
quality and good DIY has narrowed considerably as regards performance  -
even although the price hasn't. I'm obviously ruling out fakes since the
intention of those is to rip you off.   

> The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now or you pays
> your money & takes your chances.

Should also point out I made a general comment, since I don't have a
pressure washer. But do know others who've had problems with the 'brand
leader' Karcher.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 25 05:24:33 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:24:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035154F629717A859FD1E77AA7B20@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
	<1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
	<VI1P189MB035154F629717A859FD1E77AA7B20@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <587622b0c6davesound@btinternet.com>

In article
<VI1P189MB035154F629717A859FD1E77AA7B20 at VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  I can say that over the years I?ve bought a lot of tools. Among them of
> course, screwdrivers. Plenty of them have been Stanley cross-head
> screwdrivers, Posidriv and Phillips. But, my ?goto? PX1 screwdriver is a
> Stanley, one I bought many decades ago from the tool counter in
> Woolworths (remember that?). Countless more recent Stanley PX1 purchases
> have worn and lost their shape within days (damaging the screw head when
> you try to use them), but the Woolies one is a perfect fit still - after
> all this time - every time.

Sadly Stanley is one of those brands that sells on name these days - not
quality. The same as once famous UK brands, now just a badge.

If you want quality screwdrivers you'd need to look at Wera.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 25 05:30:59 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:30:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <4BFDF07F-3F62-46C3-8D8F-AE3FBFCA057B@mac.com>
References: <5875a76321davesound@btinternet.com>
	<1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D@btinternet.com>
	<VI1P189MB035154F629717A859FD1E77AA7B20@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<4BFDF07F-3F62-46C3-8D8F-AE3FBFCA057B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5876234849davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <4BFDF07F-3F62-46C3-8D8F-AE3FBFCA057B at mac.com>,
   Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I?ve bought two apparently reasonable quality Pozidrive long reach
> screwdrivers in the past few years and each in turn has failed, I can
> only say catastrophically, in that the bits, which are a different metal
> from the shaft, have shattered, long before showing any sign of wear.
> Indeed, the fact that there was no wear is evidenced by the screwdrivers
> remaining firrnly in the screw. I confess to being surprised at my own
> strength!

> I?m now on a cheapish set of Lidl long reach screwdrivers and torx
> drivers and my fingers are firmly crossed ~ so far so good. I?ve bought
> quite a lot of very reasonably priced tools from Lidl over many years
> and have yet to be disappointed.

For a decent Pozi it can make sense to use a set where the tip is
replaceable  - using the same bits as you'd use in a power screwdriver.
For most jobs that will be just fine - except where the larger socket for
the bit gets in the way. And keep the expensive long reach driver for
where it is the only option.

You can buy bulk bits pretty cheaply.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 25 05:32:17 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:32:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
In-Reply-To: <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890@mx.google.com>
References: <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <58762366c6davesound@btinternet.com>

Thanks very much for this, Pat. Endless fun and argument here. ;-)  



In article <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Here?s a Quiz a friend sent. The answers are all London Underground or Overground stations.
> (I cheated by downloading the tube map, which has a compete list!) Still couldn?t get four, though.
> It?s a Word doc so you can type in the answers.
> Well it?ll occupy you for a while during lockdown.
> Pat


> Sent from Mail for Windows 10



> -- 
> This

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon May 25 07:37:53 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 13:37:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
References: <F010A5CA-A7CE-4609-92E7-957BA1F6ACDF.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <F010A5CA-A7CE-4609-92E7-957BA1F6ACDF@btinternet.com>

?I agree with the general  comments. 

Sadly those brands like Stanley are now only badges for goods made in the East. 

Lidl?s & Aldi?s tools may be as good as the old  
Woolies screwdrivers that Nick refers to -the Winfield brand? - I as far as I remember they were quality items and vaguely recall the brand itself was underestimated: Possibly because Winfield appeared to be spread too thinly offering DIY tools to ladies bras, Xmas lights to crisps. 

It seems to have become quite a headache these days involving much research trying to find whether something is or isn?t a quality product. 

Of course there is a place in the market for cheap tools - you wouldn?t spend a tenner on a Harris paint brush if you only want a throw away brush for a one off job. (questioning if Harris is the quality it was?)  

As the manufacturing of tools has largely moved to the East I can?t help think of the mass worldwide pollution it has caused with goods that last 5 minutes and then throw away afterwards.  

Steve 










>> On 25 May 2020, at 11:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In article <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D at btinternet.com>,
>>  Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good make
>> as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible counterfeit as
>> you can buy these from almost anywhere.
> 
> Best to buy from a reputable source, as they say?
> 
>> Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or
>> proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool
>> hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet yet?
>> A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go bang on
>> month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it first may have
>> appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)
> 
> Lidl and Aldi sell tools for DIY use at a DIY price. I have quite a
> selection of them, and IMHO are better quality and value than similar
> budget tools bought eleswhere. Like say shed own brands.
> But they are pretty unique in giving that 3 year money back warranty.    
> 
>> I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job.  We run both new
>> & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have been
>> subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site
>> conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break
>> anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our
>> local dealer if we need it desperately.
> 
> Of course pro tools are better. But may well be 4 times the price (or
> more) than a DIY one that does much the same job. And the gap between pro
> quality and good DIY has narrowed considerably as regards performance  -
> even although the price hasn't. I'm obviously ruling out fakes since the
> intention of those is to rip you off.   
> 
>> The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now or you pays
>> your money & takes your chances.
> 
> Should also point out I made a general comment, since I don't have a
> pressure washer. But do know others who've had problems with the 'brand
> leader' Karcher.
> 
> -- 
>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Mon May 25 07:37:53 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 13:37:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
References: <F010A5CA-A7CE-4609-92E7-957BA1F6ACDF.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <F010A5CA-A7CE-4609-92E7-957BA1F6ACDF@btinternet.com>

?I agree with the general  comments. 

Sadly those brands like Stanley are now only badges for goods made in the East. 

Lidl?s & Aldi?s tools may be as good as the old  
Woolies screwdrivers that Nick refers to -the Winfield brand? - I as far as I remember they were quality items and vaguely recall the brand itself was underestimated: Possibly because Winfield appeared to be spread too thinly offering DIY tools to ladies bras, Xmas lights to crisps. 

It seems to have become quite a headache these days involving much research trying to find whether something is or isn?t a quality product. 

Of course there is a place in the market for cheap tools - you wouldn?t spend a tenner on a Harris paint brush if you only want a throw away brush for a one off job. (questioning if Harris is the quality it was?)  

As the manufacturing of tools has largely moved to the East I can?t help think of the mass worldwide pollution it has caused with goods that last 5 minutes and then throw away afterwards.  

Steve 










>> On 25 May 2020, at 11:27, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?In article <1533F943-82DE-4313-917D-B4DF12C58F5D at btinternet.com>,
>>  Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> If d?pends which way you look at it: Yes Makita is certainly a good make
>> as long as you?re happy that you?re not buying a possible counterfeit as
>> you can buy these from almost anywhere.
> 
> Best to buy from a reputable source, as they say?
> 
>> Aldi & Lidl have cheap tools too but I don?t yet have any evidence or
>> proof of their life expectancy: Why don?t any of the established tool
>> hire companies (in our area) have Aldi & Lidl tools on their fleet yet?
>> A 3 year guarantee is of course helpful as long as it doesn?t go bang on
>> month 37 then it?s not going to work out as cheaply as it first may have
>> appeared (that?s if you want it to last?)
> 
> Lidl and Aldi sell tools for DIY use at a DIY price. I have quite a
> selection of them, and IMHO are better quality and value than similar
> budget tools bought eleswhere. Like say shed own brands.
> But they are pretty unique in giving that 3 year money back warranty.    
> 
>> I use Stihl (dealer supplied) machinery in my day job.  We run both new
>> & old machines - the old machines have lasted well and many have been
>> subjected to years of tough arduous work in all weathers and site
>> conditions. Of course they sometimes get broken but whenever we break
>> anything we have a new part sent to us on a 24 hour carrier via our
>> local dealer if we need it desperately.
> 
> Of course pro tools are better. But may well be 4 times the price (or
> more) than a DIY one that does much the same job. And the gap between pro
> quality and good DIY has narrowed considerably as regards performance  -
> even although the price hasn't. I'm obviously ruling out fakes since the
> intention of those is to rip you off.   
> 
>> The bottom line is it?s a case of better the devil you now or you pays
>> your money & takes your chances.
> 
> Should also point out I made a general comment, since I don't have a
> pressure washer. But do know others who've had problems with the 'brand
> leader' Karcher.
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon May 25 08:11:15 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:11:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
In-Reply-To: <F010A5CA-A7CE-4609-92E7-957BA1F6ACDF@btinternet.com>
References: <F010A5CA-A7CE-4609-92E7-957BA1F6ACDF.ref@btinternet.com>
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In article <F010A5CA-A7CE-4609-92E7-957BA1F6ACDF at btinternet.com>,
   Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Lidl?s & Aldi?s tools may be as good as the old Woolies screwdrivers
> that Nick refers to -the Winfield brand? - I as far as I remember they
> were quality items and vaguely recall the brand itself was
> underestimated: Possibly because Winfield appeared to be spread too
> thinly offering DIY tools to ladies bras, Xmas lights to crisps. 

I've a feeling the Lidl approach is to contact a decent tool maker and ask
what they can supply at a very good price. And remember they don't keep
such things in stock, so once gone that's it. Buy a cordless drill (or
whatever) from them on offer a while later and it will be different. So
they can run on a much smaller mark-up than a tool dealer.

As regards the makers, I have one tool I think they only sold once. It is
a small router type device with a series of guides. Very useful for
cutting odd sized large(ish) holes in wood - like say you might have to do
on a speaker baffle. (Most routers are too large to do the smaller sizes
easily)  And the tool bits on it are imperial. Suggesting it came from a
factory used to supplying the USA. Discovered the best supply of bits came
from Dremel, and not easy to get in this country.

I'm a bit of a tool junkie. I keep an eye on their offers, and if I see
something I think will be useful, buy it. If it proves to not to be needed
have 3 years grace to take it back. ;-)

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon May 25 08:34:19 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:34:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Screwdrivers was Jet wash
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My Dad was an excellent carpenter and mechanic, having had a proper apprenticeship with Thorneycrofts. He taught me the sense of looking after tools. And also to buy the best.
I do have some Stanley drivers, flat and crosshead which are OK for getting into the luminaires around my flats? estate, to change blown bulbs, but as no-one has mentioned the tools available from RS Components (known earlier as RadioSpares), I attach photos of my travelling tool kit. It?s been twice around the world with me and proved worthwhile to keep the unit operational! Most of the tools are RS. Not shown are other stuff packed in on top, like Superglue, and a few packets of narrow plastic cable ties. There are, buried, some Hellerman* sleeves, and examples of heat shrink sleeving, plus a collection of fuses of various ratings and sizes.
(* couldn?t find room for the lubricant but the stretching pliers may be there, somewhere!)
The only things that might also be useful would be bolt cutters and an oxy-acetylene torch, that?s another story on a Bond film!

Pat

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From: Mike Giles via Tech1
Sent: 24 May 2020 22:29
To: Nick Ware
Cc: Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jet wash

I?ve bought two apparently reasonable quality Pozidrive long reach screwdrivers in the past few years and each in turn has failed, I can only say catastrophically, in that the bits, which are a different metal from the shaft, have shattered, long before showing any sign of wear. Indeed, the fact that there was no wear is evidenced by the screwdrivers remaining firrnly in the screw. I confess to being surprised at my own strength!

I?m now on a cheapish set of Lidl long reach screwdrivers and torx drivers and my fingers are firmly crossed ~ so far so good. I?ve bought quite a lot of very reasonably priced tools from Lidl over many years and have yet to be disappointed.

Mike G






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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon May 25 08:44:04 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:44:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jet wash
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A friend was a commercial pilot ? when he went to Cologne, he used to visit a tool shop and bring back lovely stuff, he bought me a super set of a detailing micrometer and measuring rule.
Pat

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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 25 May 2020 14:11
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Jet wash

Discovered the best supply of bits came
from Dremel, and not easy to get in this country.

I'm a bit of a tool junkie. I keep an eye on their offers, and if I see
something I think will be useful, buy it. If it proves to not to be needed
have 3 years grace to take it back. ;-)

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue May 26 07:03:12 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 13:03:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Endoscopic camera
Message-ID: <5ecd057e.1c69fb81.acfa2.f5e0@mx.google.com>

https://www.gogroopie.com/all/1x324gt1cxa/_ggpprice_1030C_260520_endocam

I recall, that when the cardboard camera was created, someone wondered if it could ever be made practical to take real pictures.
Don?t know if this would be small enough?
Pat


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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue May 26 07:30:52 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 13:30:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Endoscopic camera
In-Reply-To: <5ecd057e.1c69fb81.acfa2.f5e0@mx.google.com>
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I've got a comparable endoscopic camera and while it's very good at doing what it's supposed to do, it might not be so good for the cardboard camera as the flexible part is quite a stiff metal tube rather than a cable.  It's stiff enough to stay put when you bend it.  The camera part is a rigid portion of the end and might be tricky to fit into a model camera if you consider the bending radius of the flexible part.

If I were wanting to make a model camera which worked, I would consider locating a small camera module with a cable.  There are some designed for covert installations which could fit into quite small spaces. This is another type which I have been wondering about building into a bird nesting box which is located some distance from my house.  It has a rechargeable battery and connects via WiFi, so you'd need to arrange for intermittent access for recharging. They don't give dimensions for the power pack part, but you could infer the size from the USB connector in their picture.

Alan Taylor


On 26 May 2020, at 26 May . 13:03, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> https://www.gogroopie.com/all/1x324gt1cxa/_ggpprice_1030C_260520_endocam
>  
> I recall, that when the cardboard camera was created, someone wondered if it could ever be made practical to take real pictures.
> Don?t know if this would be small enough?
> Pat
>  
>  
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 26 08:30:02 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 14:30:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Endoscopic camera
In-Reply-To: <2929716C-E7AE-484E-8F16-A11A0249864D@me.com>
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The tricky bit with the endoscope is where to put the cable -



B



On 26/05/2020 13:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> I've got a comparable endoscopic camera and while it's very good at 
> doing what it's supposed to do, it might not be so good for the 
> cardboard camera as the flexible part is quite a stiff metal tube 
> rather than a cable. ?It's stiff enough to stay put when you bend it. 
> ?The camera part is a rigid portion of the end and might be tricky to 
> fit into a model camera if you consider the bending radius of the 
> flexible part.
>
> If I were wanting to make a model camera which worked, I would 
> consider locating a small camera module with a cable. ?There are some 
> designed for covert installations which could fit into quite small 
> spaces. This is another type 
> <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HD-1080P-Mini-Wireless-Hidden-Camera-WIFI-IP-Pinhole-DIY-Digital-Video-Camera/274308388406?_trkparms=aid=1110006&algo=HOMESPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=225075&meid=e4fa8c87e7ef491c8f66ab3464edbb80&pid=100005&rk=1&rkt=12&mehot=co&sd=303362889736&itm=274308388406&pmt=1&noa=0&pg=2047675&algv=SimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithBBEV1Filter&brand=Unbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851>?which 
> I have been wondering about building into a bird nesting box which is 
> located some distance from my house. ?It has a rechargeable battery 
> and connects via WiFi, so you'd need to arrange for intermittent 
> access for recharging. They don't give dimensions for the power pack 
> part, but you could infer the size from the USB connector in their 
> picture.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
> On 26 May 2020, at 26 May . 13:03, patheigham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> https://www.gogroopie.com/all/1x324gt1cxa/_ggpprice_1030C_260520_endocam
>> I recall, that when the cardboard camera was created, someone 
>> wondered if it could ever be made practical to take real pictures.
>> Don?t know if this would be small enough?
>> Pat
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue May 26 08:41:55 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 14:41:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Endoscopic camera
In-Reply-To: <72ccd215-3e38-4f36-a1d2-7f1c82506629@gmail.com>
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> On 26 May 2020, at 14:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The tricky bit with the endoscope is where to put the cable - 
> 

As the actress said to the bishop?
? 
Graeme Wall


From alanaudio at me.com  Tue May 26 09:04:38 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:04:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Endoscopic camera
In-Reply-To: <72ccd215-3e38-4f36-a1d2-7f1c82506629@gmail.com>
References: <5ecd057e.1c69fb81.acfa2.f5e0@mx.google.com>
	<2929716C-E7AE-484E-8F16-A11A0249864D@me.com>
	<72ccd215-3e38-4f36-a1d2-7f1c82506629@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2ECD4CD-9386-461A-B52B-1E092FCDF3C0@me.com>

An ultra compact wireless camera like the one I linked to would eliminate the cable problem, so long as you can resolve the recharging problem.

Alan Taylor



On 26 May 2020, at 26 May . 14:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> The tricky bit with the endoscope is where to put the cable - 
> 
> <dhmgmmjpnciolagk.png>
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 26/05/2020 13:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> I've got a comparable endoscopic camera and while it's very good at doing what it's supposed to do, it might not be so good for the cardboard camera as the flexible part is quite a stiff metal tube rather than a cable.  It's stiff enough to stay put when you bend it.  The camera part is a rigid portion of the end and might be tricky to fit into a model camera if you consider the bending radius of the flexible part.
>> 
>> If I were wanting to make a model camera which worked, I would consider locating a small camera module with a cable.  There are some designed for covert installations which could fit into quite small spaces. This is another type which I have been wondering about building into a bird nesting box which is located some distance from my house.  It has a rechargeable battery and connects via WiFi, so you'd need to arrange for intermittent access for recharging. They don't give dimensions for the power pack part, but you could infer the size from the USB connector in their picture.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 May 2020, at 26 May . 13:03, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> https://www.gogroopie.com/all/1x324gt1cxa/_ggpprice_1030C_260520_endocam
>>>  
>>> I recall, that when the cardboard camera was created, someone wondered if it could ever be made practical to take real pictures.
>>> Don?t know if this would be small enough?
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>>  
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue May 26 09:20:51 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:20:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Endoscopic camera
In-Reply-To: <E2ECD4CD-9386-461A-B52B-1E092FCDF3C0@me.com>
References: <5ecd057e.1c69fb81.acfa2.f5e0@mx.google.com>
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All the files are here - http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/2001/ if you 
want to do it yourself

B



On 26/05/2020 15:04, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> An ultra compact wireless camera like the one I linked to would 
> eliminate the cable problem, so long as you can resolve the recharging 
> problem.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
> On 26 May 2020, at 26 May . 14:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> The tricky bit with the endoscope is where to put the cable -
>>
>> <dhmgmmjpnciolagk.png>
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26/05/2020 13:30, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I've got a comparable endoscopic camera and while it's very good at 
>>> doing what it's supposed to do, it might not be so good for the 
>>> cardboard camera as the flexible part is quite a stiff metal tube 
>>> rather than a cable. ?It's stiff enough to stay put when you bend 
>>> it. ?The camera part is a rigid portion of the end and might be 
>>> tricky to fit into a model camera if you consider the bending radius 
>>> of the flexible part.
>>>
>>> If I were wanting to make a model camera which worked, I would 
>>> consider locating a small camera module with a cable. ?There are 
>>> some designed for covert installations which could fit into quite 
>>> small spaces. This is another type 
>>> <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HD-1080P-Mini-Wireless-Hidden-Camera-WIFI-IP-Pinhole-DIY-Digital-Video-Camera/274308388406?_trkparms=aid=1110006&algo=HOMESPLICE.SIM&ao=1&asc=225075&meid=e4fa8c87e7ef491c8f66ab3464edbb80&pid=100005&rk=1&rkt=12&mehot=co&sd=303362889736&itm=274308388406&pmt=1&noa=0&pg=2047675&algv=SimplAMLv5PairwiseWebWithBBEV1Filter&brand=Unbranded&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851>?which 
>>> I have been wondering about building into a bird nesting box which 
>>> is located some distance from my house. ?It has a rechargeable 
>>> battery and connects via WiFi, so you'd need to arrange for 
>>> intermittent access for recharging. They don't give dimensions for 
>>> the power pack part, but you could infer the size from the USB 
>>> connector in their picture.
>>>
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 May 2020, at 26 May . 13:03, patheigham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.gogroopie.com/all/1x324gt1cxa/_ggpprice_1030C_260520_endocam
>>>> I recall, that when the cardboard camera was created, someone 
>>>> wondered if it could ever be made practical to take real pictures.
>>>> Don?t know if this would be small enough?
>>>> Pat
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue May 26 09:23:27 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:23:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
Message-ID: <5876bc6757davesound@btinternet.com>

Got a couple more:-

1) CSO goes wrong.
2) Phoenix playing the flute.

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From waresound at msn.com  Tue May 26 09:31:43 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 14:31:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Endoscopic camera
In-Reply-To: <33637EB5-AEB1-41F0-9A70-96B578B558A7@icloud.com>
References: <5ecd057e.1c69fb81.acfa2.f5e0@mx.google.com>
	<2929716C-E7AE-484E-8F16-A11A0249864D@me.com>
	<72ccd215-3e38-4f36-a1d2-7f1c82506629@gmail.com>,
	<33637EB5-AEB1-41F0-9A70-96B578B558A7@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03511431727F1E923BB633ABA7B00@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I wonder if there ever really was an actress and a bishop, and what they did, so bizarre as to be quoted for generations to follow?
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 26 May 2020, at 14:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> 
>> On 26 May 2020, at 14:30, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> The tricky bit with the endoscope is where to put the cable - 
>> 
> 
> As the actress said to the bishop?
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue May 26 15:05:27 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 20:05:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] More Gothic
References: <888327797.50767.1590523527074.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <888327797.50767.1590523527074@mail.yahoo.com>

Time for Chapter 19 of "Gothic by Gaslight", and a temporary escape from all that London fog.
Anyone know the Urban Myth about an English Woman, and her hotel room, both of which are said to have disappeared during the Great Paris Exposition of 1889?There's a version of it in the film, "So Long at the Fair", which is well worth watching, if you haven't - or watching again, if you have..
But how can I work that into this story? You're about to find out.
luv, Rog.?
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed May 27 03:37:26 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 09:37:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Great news!
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This is going to sell very well, I predict! Cheers,hic, Dave


>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* *Tipple*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>                 	
>>>
>>>                         *A single glass at night could mean a
>>>                         peaceful, uninterrupted night's sleep.*
>>>                         *NEW Wine for Seniors**, **I kid you not.....*
>>>                         **
>>>
>>>                     *Clare Valley vintners in South Australia, which
>>>                     primarily produce**Pinot Blanc, Pinot Noir, and
>>>                     Pinot Grigio wines,**have developed a new hybrid
>>>                     grape**that acts as an _anti-diuretic._ It is
>>>                     expected to reduce the number of trips**older
>>>                     people have to make to the bathroom during the
>>>                     night. The new wine will be marketed as **PINO
>>>                     MORE**I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE!!**I just
>>>                     could not help it!**/Forward this to all your
>>>                     "senior" friends/**/I just did./*
>>>
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Wed May 27 04:41:38 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
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> On 20 May 2020, at 14:20, Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Television's Opening Night was not a BBC programme but an Argonon
> independent production
> perhaps who were only thinking of their profit not of accuracy on the
> screen.
> Martin.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf of Dave Plowman via
> Tech1
> Sent: 20 May 2020 12:57
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Television's Opening Night
> 
> In article <B318C6D9-4A03-4E2F-8758-3276FB76C8FA at me.com>,
>   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Producers always used to be aware that you have to be meticulously 
>> correct with certain subjects such as military uniforms, railway 
>> trains or bird calls, otherwise the legions of experts will spot even 
>> the slightest error and make a fuss about it.  Perhaps television 
>> operational techniques should be added to that list.
> 
> Countless examples of progs I've worked on where 'techical' bits are a
> nonsense. Perhaps those responsible don't want to call on the wealth of
> knowledge of other departments in their organisation who would know - and
> likely be glad to help if asked.
> 
> An obvious one is the inside of an electronic box. Say a bomb detonator (or
> whatever) where someone has plonked random components on a bit of Veroboard.
> The sort of thing were the young lad in maintenance could have made
> something that looked the part far better.
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 28 04:30:25 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 10:30:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter May 2020
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Here's the latest on MCR21.

I know that several people here worked on Points of View with me when we 
were at Elstree for a few months. I remember the OB boss chap saying 
that they were giving us our own truck, one that was about to be 
scrapped . Was it this one?

B


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Subject: 	MCR21 Newsletter May 2020
Date: 	Thu, 28 May 2020 09:25:23 +0000
From: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
Reply-To: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com



MCR21 Newsletter May 2020 The MCR21 Project


   ?MCR21 PROJECT
  MAY 2020

NEWSLETTER

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MCR21 RESTORATION? PROGRESS
Working on the the vehicle restoration is gathering speed at
Ward Jones Commercials.
Some activities on the MCR21 Project have been put on hold due to 
Coronavirus. However Ward Jones Commercials, the vehicle restorers, 
remain open and they have found that they have more time to devote to 
restoring MCR21. Plans are in place to turn the dirty blue paintwork 
into the original gleaming dark green BBC livery. There is still a bit 
more bodywork to do, but many of the damaged and corroded parts have 
been replaced.

*WHERE ARE THEY NOW?*
 ?.
MCR21 was one of ten units built by Pye TVT and delivered to the BBC - 
starting in July 1963 and finishing in mid 1964. They looked identical 
apart from MCR27 and 28, which had alterations to the bodywork at the 
rear and internal accoustic treatment. These mobile control rooms were 
the last B&W units to be bought by the BBC. In 1967, with CMCR1 arriving 
( the first of many colour units), the B&W units were either converted 
to 2-camera colour units or made redundant. I believe that MCR21 was the 
first of these ten units to be taken out of service as a B&W unit, 
sometime in 1968 with the Pye Mk VI cameras being transferred to the 
Hippodrome Theatre, Golders Green. In the first half of 1969 MCR21was 
converted to colour, equipped with 2 Philips PC 60 colour cameras. Below 
is the story of the ten Pye MCRs. Lots of photos but basically all the 
units look very similar.

MCR19 arrived at the BBC on 22nd July 1963.
Here it is at BBC Television Centre.

Jerry Clegg remembers. 'MCR19 arrived in Manchester on 22/11/1967?and 
 ?became the first North 1. It was withdrawn from service in Autumn 
1969, when replaced by a colour unit. ?MCR19 went to Edinburgh ?and was 
fitted out with two Phillips PC60 colour cameras. MCR19 was only in 
service in Manchester for less than two years.'

MCR20? was delivered on 27th September 1963.
I don't have a picture of the unit but I know it went straight to Wales 
and spent its whole life there, until it was sold to the Bulgarian TV 
service in August 1972


MCR21? was delivered on 12th November 1963
It remained in London throughout its service with the BBC
PHOTOS
 ? ? ? ? Top - Covering Golf with Support Vehicles in 1967
 ??????? Below- 1?? Cherbourg in the 1970s as a colour unit covering
 ?????????????????? a 'Seaside Special'
 ?????????? 2? In 1979 Brian Summers bought the unit shortly after it 
left the BBC and retained it as a colour unit in its new blue livery

MCR22? was delivered in February 1964
Although MCR22 initially had been going to the West Region in Bristol. 
However this unit was kept in London until it moved to Manchester. Jerry 
Clegg remembers/'//MCR22 arrived in November 1967 becoming the 
first??North2??and was also?withdrawn in Autumn 1969. It was sold to 
Jordan. I remember it being prepared and checked out in base.?/

MCR23?? was delivered in December 1963
Like MCR21, this unit stayed in London throughout its service at the 
BBC. In the photo above, MCR21 and MCR23 are shown, along with the 
support vehicles and crews, at the London OB base at Kendal Avenue, 
before heading to Wembley to televise the 1966 World Cup. MCR23 was 
'mothballed' in 1969. In 1975 it was brought back into service with two 
Fernesh colour cameras to replace the London Production Unit, which was 
involved in a traffic accident.
Shortly after Brian Summers had bought MCR21, He decided to buy MCR23. 
For sometime? it was stored in a car park at Pinewood Studios and then 
used as a music room at? a school. Subsequently the school sold the 
vehicle to Brian's friend, Paul Marshall.

The top photo shows MCR23 featuring in an episode of Dr Who. Probably 
when it was redundant in the early 1970s. The second when it was used as 
a music room. Paul Marshall decided to equip the vehicle with Marconi 
cameras dating from the 1950s.? It has been earning its keep being hired 
out? as a prop to film and TV companies making dramas set in the 1950s. 
The third picture shows the unit being used in the Netflix production, 
the Crown which recreated the 1953 Coronation. ( photo Golden Age TV 
Recreations.) MCR23 is now part of the BECG collection

MCR24 arrived at the BBC in April 1964

MCR24 became Unit 8 in London.? In 1968 it was transferred to Northern 
Ireland. It served there for several years into the early 1970s. Photo 
courtesy of Alan Hyndman.

MCRs 25 and 26 must have arrived in late 1964
In time to be used in the massive television coverage of Sir Winston 
Churchill's Funeral
The photo above shows both units at Wimbledon in1965

MCR25 was London based throughout its service. According to Robin 
Sutherland, who provided me with many of the crew/unit lists, MCR25 was 
the last B&W unit to be in service at Kendal Avenue.

MCR26 was also in service at Kendal avenue at the start on 1970 before 
going to Wood Norton, the BBC's training centre,

MCR27 was delivered to BBC Scotland in 1964

It did travel to London in January 1965 to help with the coverage of Sir 
Winston Churchill's Funeral. It was converted to a 2-camera colour unit 
in the early 1970s until it was replaced by a Link unit ( Scot 2), 
equipped with Link 110 and LDK cameras.

MCR27 photos? - William Brown

MCR28 was delivered to Bristol in late 1964 to serve the BBC West Region
The unit remained in the West until its last broadcast. According to 
Elizabeth Stanbury a P.A. at the time that was in April 1970, a football 
match at Plymouth. It was used again to cover the the General Election 
in June that year. MCR28 spent the rest of its days being used by the 
Open University. But perhaps the most prestigious event, covered by the 
unit, was the Beatles contribution to the 'Our World' transmitted from 
the Abbey Road studios in June 1967.

Photos of the Beatles outside Abbey Road studios in front of MCR28
Below are the names of the people who crewed the London based MCR Units 
in 1966 and 1970.
Courtesy of Bernie Davis and Robin Sutherland

It is more than likely that all the Pye MCRs went to the scrapyard, 
apart from MCRs 21 and 23. Thankfully they were saved from that fate by 
Brian Summers. Of course, if you know? that any of the other units 
survived, please do get in touch.??? Nick Gilbey

*VOLUNTEERING*

All the trustees of the Broadcast Television Technology Trust are 
volunteers and have been contributing to the MCR21 Project. The latest 
volunteer to become a trustee is Jeremy Owen. His financial and business 
expertise is most useful for the Trust. Jeremy is now our treasurer.

Volunteer, Rob Burn (pictured), has set up a youtube channel for us. Rob 
is also collecting all the information about the MCR21 Project which is 
needed for the evaluation document. This information will be used by our 
professional evaluator, Natalie Chambers, who will create the document 
and submit it to the Heritage Fund. It is an essential part of the 
funding process set out by the Heritage Fund.

Trustee, Brian Summers, seen here designing the metalwork to support the 
engineers desk in MCR21. Brian is coordinating all the work that needs 
doing to restore the equipment inside the unit.

Brian is being supported by a small group of volunteers who are working 
to restore/test equipment. Current work varies from repairing and 
testing the monitors to making some of the missing knobs for the 
equipment using a 3D printer.
More Volunteers would be most Welcome

There are many jobs to do - perhaps cleaning up connectors, helping 
create a crowdfunding campaign, working on upholstering the seats or 
organising our successful ebay sales of redundant equipment. We also 
need the the help of those with carpentry or metalwork skills.

Above are two photos of the engineers talkback unit - The first taken in 
1964 - The second taken recently and needing a little TLC

There are lots of ways you can help.
Please do get in touch with Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey
brian at mcr21.org.uk? - nick at mcr21.org.uk
or telephone Nick 07831 219957

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Trustee, Nick Gilbey, has been working on the displays which will 
feature both inside and outside MCR21. Above the photo of Nick, is the 
link to see how a race at the Goodwood Revival could have been covered 
by the 4-camera MCR21 OB against the 12-camera Cloudbass OB, which 
televised the race last year. The outputs from 4-cameras, at last year's 
race, were recorded and will be played out on the monitors in MCR21 
along with the audio of the directors instructions to the camera 
operators and the commentary. To achieve this, Nick would appreciate any 
help and advice that someone could offer.

Inside Cloudbass 1 showing the many feeds from the cameras around the 
track, which director, Westbury Gillett, can cut to.

The 12 camera positions around the track shown on the monitors in 
Cloudbass OB7

Inside MCR21 - The recordings, from four of the Cloudbass cameras around 
the racetrack, will be be replayed in sync on the 4:3 monochrome 
monitors in MCR21

These are the 4 camera positions which we have recorded and which will 
be replayed in MCR21

*FUNDRAISING*
We have been successful in raising over ?5,000 towards the cost of the 
MCR21 Project. So thank you to the donations from our supporters who 
have given us money but also equipment which we have sold at radio fairs 
and ebay. The budget for the Project is ?110,000. Thank you again to the 
National Lottery players who are donating ?99,000? towards the Project, 
but we still have to raise the balance. Just as important is to have 
money to sustain the Project after MCR21 is restored. Much of the time 
MCR21 will be exhibited at museums throughout England but there will be 
some overheads that will need to be paid. That is why we are starting - 
Friends of MCR21 . We would very much welcome a monthly payment by 
standing order, of whatever amount, from our friends. As well as 
receiving our newsletters, they will receive invitations to MCR21 events 
and other benefits. If you are willing to become a Friend, please email 
either Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey for details. If you feel that you 
can make a? one off donation in these troubled times, please use the 
donate button below.
Brian. email: brian at mcr21.org.uk or Nick nick at mcr21.org.uk
or call Nick 07831 219957

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu May 28 05:08:27 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:08:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A_Pulling_apart_a_=C2=A3339_anti-5G_USB_s?=
 =?utf-8?q?tick_-_BBC_News?=
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> From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
> Date: 28 May 2020 
> 
> ?Thought this might interest some of us - 
> 
> 
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220
> 
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu May 28 05:00:57 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:00:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter May 2020
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Any idea when that suggestion was made?  If it was around the 1990s, both the LPU and LMCR were nearing the end of their working lives and had spent a lot of time at Elstree servicing Grange Hill.  Either of them would have been excellent for recording PoV and similar shows. 

Any talk of MCR21 from the 1970s onwards needs to bear in mind the potential for confusion because two further small colour scanners were built which were also known as LO21 or MCR21.  The first of them came into service in the mid 70s and essentially served as a test bed for LDK5 cameras and pin matrix audio talkback systems, both of which proved to be very successful in real world conditions and became key parts of the next generation of scanners.  I don?t know much about the third MCR21 which was built in the 90s because I had left the BBC by then.

Alan Taylor

> On 28 May 2020, at 10:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> Here's the latest on MCR21.
> 
> I know that several people here worked on Points of View with me when we were at Elstree for a few months. I remember the OB boss chap saying that they were giving us our own truck, one that was about to be scrapped . Was it this one?
> 
> B
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	MCR21 Newsletter May 2020
> Date:	Thu, 28 May 2020 09:25:23 +0000
> From:	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
> Reply-To:	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
> To:	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
> 
> 
> 
>  MCR21 PROJECT
> MAY 2020
> NEWSLETTER
> 
>  
> View in Your Browser
> MCR21 RESTORATION  PROGRESS
> Working on the the vehicle restoration is gathering speed at
> Ward Jones Commercials.
> Some activities on the MCR21 Project have been put on hold due to Coronavirus. However Ward Jones Commercials, the vehicle restorers, remain open and they have found that they have more time to devote to restoring MCR21. Plans are in place to turn the dirty blue paintwork into the original gleaming dark green BBC livery. There is still a bit more bodywork to do, but many of the damaged and corroded parts have been replaced.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
>  .
> MCR21 was one of ten units built by Pye TVT and delivered to the BBC - starting in July 1963 and finishing in mid 1964. They looked identical apart from MCR27 and 28, which had alterations to the bodywork at the rear and internal accoustic treatment. These mobile control rooms were the last B&W units to be bought by the BBC. In 1967, with CMCR1 arriving ( the first of many colour units), the B&W units were either converted to 2-camera colour units or made redundant. I believe that MCR21 was the first of these ten units to be taken out of service as a B&W unit, sometime in 1968 with the Pye Mk VI cameras being transferred to the Hippodrome Theatre, Golders Green. In the first half of 1969 MCR21was converted to colour, equipped with 2 Philips PC 60 colour cameras. Below is the story of the ten Pye MCRs. Lots of photos but basically all the units look very similar.
> 
> MCR19 arrived at the BBC on 22nd July 1963. 
> Here it is at BBC Television Centre.
> 
> Jerry Clegg remembers. 'MCR19 arrived in Manchester on 22/11/1967 and  became the first North 1. It was withdrawn from service in Autumn 1969, when replaced by a colour unit.  MCR19 went to Edinburgh  and was fitted out with two Phillips PC60 colour cameras. MCR19 was only in service in Manchester for less than two years.'
> MCR20  was delivered on 27th September 1963.
> I don't have a picture of the unit but I know it went straight to Wales and spent its whole life there, until it was sold to the Bulgarian TV service in August 1972
> 
> 
> 
> 
> MCR21  was delivered on 12th November 1963
> It remained in London throughout its service with the BBC
> PHOTOS
>                           Top - Covering Golf with Support Vehicles in 1967
>         Below- 1   Cherbourg in the 1970s as a colour unit covering
>                    a 'Seaside Special'
>            2  In 1979 Brian Summers bought the unit shortly after it left the BBC and retained it as a colour unit in its new blue livery
> 
> MCR22  was delivered in February 1964
> Although MCR22 initially had been going to the West Region in Bristol. However this unit was kept in London until it moved to Manchester. Jerry Clegg remembers 'MCR22  arrived in November 1967 becoming the first ?North2? and was also withdrawn in Autumn 1969. It was sold to Jordan. I remember it being prepared and checked out in base.?
>  
> 
> MCR23   was delivered in December 1963
> Like MCR21, this unit stayed in London throughout its service at the BBC. In the photo above, MCR21 and MCR23 are shown, along with the support vehicles and crews, at the London OB base at Kendal Avenue, before heading to Wembley to televise the 1966 World Cup. MCR23 was 'mothballed' in 1969. In 1975 it was brought back into service with two Fernesh colour cameras to replace the London Production Unit, which was involved in a traffic accident.
> Shortly after Brian Summers had bought MCR21, He decided to buy MCR23. For sometime  it was stored in a car park at Pinewood Studios and then used as a music room at  a school. Subsequently the school sold the vehicle to Brian's friend, Paul Marshall.
> 
> 
> 
> The top photo shows MCR23 featuring in an episode of Dr Who. Probably when it was redundant in the early 1970s. The second when it was used as a music room. Paul Marshall decided to equip the vehicle with Marconi cameras dating from the 1950s.  It has been earning its keep being hired out  as a prop to film and TV companies making dramas set in the 1950s. The third picture shows the unit being used in the Netflix production, the Crown which recreated the 1953 Coronation. ( photo Golden Age TV Recreations.) MCR23 is now part of the BECG collection
> 
> MCR24 arrived at the BBC in April 1964
> 
> MCR24 became Unit 8 in London.  In 1968 it was transferred to Northern Ireland. It served there for several years into the early 1970s. Photo courtesy of Alan Hyndman.
> 
> MCRs 25 and 26 must have arrived in late 1964 
> In time to be used in the massive television coverage of Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral
>  
> The photo above shows both units at Wimbledon in1965
> 
> MCR25 was London based throughout its service. According to Robin Sutherland, who provided me with many of the crew/unit lists, MCR25 was the last B&W unit to be in service at Kendal Avenue.
> 
> MCR26 was also in service at Kendal avenue at the start on 1970 before going to Wood Norton, the BBC's training centre,
> 
> MCR27 was delivered to BBC Scotland in 1964
> 
> It did travel to London in January 1965 to help with the coverage of Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral. It was converted to a 2-camera colour unit in the early 1970s until it was replaced by a Link unit ( Scot 2), equipped with Link 110 and LDK cameras.
> 
> MCR27 photos  - William Brown
> 
> MCR28 was delivered to Bristol in late 1964 to serve the BBC West Region
>  
> The unit remained in the West until its last broadcast. According to Elizabeth Stanbury a P.A. at the time that was in April 1970, a football match at Plymouth. It was used again to cover the the General Election in June that year. MCR28 spent the rest of its days being used by the Open University. But perhaps the most prestigious event, covered by the unit, was the Beatles contribution to the 'Our World' transmitted from the Abbey Road studios in June 1967.
> 
> 
> Photos of the Beatles outside Abbey Road studios in front of MCR28
>  
> Below are the names of the people who crewed the London based MCR Units in 1966 and 1970.
> Courtesy of Bernie Davis and Robin Sutherland
> 
> 
> It is more than likely that all the Pye MCRs went to the scrapyard, apart from MCRs 21 and 23. Thankfully they were saved from that fate by Brian Summers. Of course, if you know  that any of the other units survived, please do get in touch.    Nick Gilbey
> VOLUNTEERING
> All the trustees of the Broadcast Television Technology Trust are volunteers and have been contributing to the MCR21 Project. The latest volunteer to become a trustee is Jeremy Owen. His financial and business expertise is most useful for the Trust. Jeremy is now our treasurer.
> 
> Volunteer, Rob Burn (pictured), has set up a youtube channel for us. Rob is also collecting all the information about the MCR21 Project which is needed for the evaluation document. This information will be used by our professional evaluator, Natalie Chambers, who will create the document and submit it to the Heritage Fund. It is an essential part of the funding process set out by the Heritage Fund.
> 
> Trustee, Brian Summers, seen here designing the metalwork to support the engineers desk in MCR21. Brian is coordinating all the work that needs doing to restore the equipment inside the unit.
> Brian is being supported by a small group of volunteers who are working to restore/test equipment. Current work varies from repairing and testing the monitors to making some of the missing knobs for the equipment using a 3D printer.
>  
> More Volunteers would be most Welcome
> 
> There are many jobs to do - perhaps cleaning up connectors, helping create a crowdfunding campaign, working on upholstering the seats or organising our successful ebay sales of redundant equipment. We also need the the help of those with carpentry or metalwork skills.
> 
> 
> Above are two photos of the engineers talkback unit - The first taken in 1964 - The second taken recently and needing a little TLC
> There are lots of ways you can help.
> Please do get in touch with Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey
> brian at mcr21.org.uk  - nick at mcr21.org.uk
> or telephone Nick 07831 219957
> 
> 1964 & 2019 Split Screen View at Goodwood -Press to view video
> 
> Trustee, Nick Gilbey, has been working on the displays which will feature both inside and outside MCR21. Above the photo of Nick, is the link to see how a race at the Goodwood Revival could have been covered by the 4-camera MCR21 OB against the 12-camera Cloudbass OB, which televised the race last year. The outputs from 4-cameras, at last year's race, were recorded and will be played out on the monitors in MCR21 along with the audio of the directors instructions to the camera operators and the commentary. To achieve this, Nick would appreciate any help and advice that someone could offer.
> 
> Inside Cloudbass 1 showing the many feeds from the cameras around the track, which director, Westbury Gillett, can cut to.
> 
> The 12 camera positions around the track shown on the monitors in Cloudbass OB7
> 
> Inside MCR21 - The recordings, from four of the Cloudbass cameras around the racetrack, will be be replayed in sync on the 4:3 monochrome monitors in MCR21
> 
> These are the 4 camera positions which we have recorded and which will be replayed in MCR21
> FUNDRAISING
> We have been successful in raising over ?5,000 towards the cost of the MCR21 Project. So thank you to the donations from our supporters who have given us money but also equipment which we have sold at radio fairs and ebay. The budget for the Project is ?110,000. Thank you again to the National Lottery players who are donating ?99,000  towards the Project, but we still have to raise the balance. Just as important is to have money to sustain the Project after MCR21 is restored. Much of the time MCR21 will be exhibited at museums throughout England but there will be some overheads that will need to be paid.  That is why we are starting - Friends of MCR21 . We would very much welcome a monthly payment by standing order, of whatever amount, from our friends. As well as receiving our newsletters, they will receive invitations to MCR21 events and other benefits. If you are willing to become a Friend, please email either Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey for details. If you feel that you can make a  one off donation in these troubled times, please use the donate button below.
> Brian.  email: brian at mcr21.org.uk  or Nick  nick at mcr21.org.uk
> or call Nick 07831 219957
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From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:22:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law
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It's not the first and it won't be the last comment! Cheers, Dave

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu May 28 05:28:42 2020
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Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:28:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter May 2020
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Not a suggestion. I was given a truck to use to do the job. It was 
small, and you got in the back. There was no room for the director to 
sit unless they also vision mixed, and though I was an experienced 
vision mixer, I didn't want to cope with Anne Robinson as well as 
antique machinery, so I stood at the back. John Nottage, you were there 
- sitting down - what was the truck?

B


On 28/05/2020 11:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Any idea when that suggestion was made? ?If it was around the 1990s, 
> both the LPU and LMCR were nearing the end of their working lives and 
> had spent a lot of time at Elstree servicing Grange Hill. ?Either of 
> them would have been excellent for recording PoV and similar shows.
>
> Any talk of MCR21 from the 1970s onwards needs to bear in mind the 
> potential for confusion because two further small colour scanners were 
> built which were also known as LO21 or MCR21. ?The first of them came 
> into service in the mid 70s and essentially served as a test bed for 
> LDK5 cameras and pin matrix audio talkback systems, both of which 
> proved to be very successful in real world conditions and became key 
> parts of the next generation of scanners. ?I don?t know much about the 
> third MCR21 which was built in the 90s because I had left the BBC by then.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>> On 28 May 2020, at 10:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Here's the latest on MCR21.
>>
>> I know that several people here worked on Points of View with me when 
>> we were at Elstree for a few months. I remember the OB boss chap 
>> saying that they were giving us our own truck, one that was about to 
>> be scrapped . Was it this one?
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	MCR21 Newsletter May 2020
>> Date: 	Thu, 28 May 2020 09:25:23 +0000
>> From: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>> Reply-To: 	Nick <nick at mcr21.org.uk>
>> To: 	bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com
>>
>>
>>
>> MCR21 Newsletter May 2020 The MCR21 Project
>>
>>
>>   ?MCR21 PROJECT
>>   MAY 2020
>>
>> NEWSLETTER
>>
>> View in Your Browser 
>> <https://mailchi.mp/d541c3f1c7cd/mcr21-newsletter-march-4470256?e=27b31bf3ae> 
>>
>>
>> MCR21 RESTORATION? PROGRESS
>> Working on the the vehicle restoration is gathering speed at
>> Ward Jones Commercials.
>> Some activities on the MCR21 Project have been put on hold due to 
>> Coronavirus. However Ward Jones Commercials, the vehicle restorers, 
>> remain open and they have found that they have more time to devote to 
>> restoring MCR21. Plans are in place to turn the dirty blue paintwork 
>> into the original gleaming dark green BBC livery. There is still a 
>> bit more bodywork to do, but many of the damaged and corroded parts 
>> have been replaced.
>>
>> *WHERE ARE THEY NOW?*
>> ?.
>> MCR21 was one of ten units built by Pye TVT and delivered to the BBC 
>> - starting in July 1963 and finishing in mid 1964. They looked 
>> identical apart from MCR27 and 28, which had alterations to the 
>> bodywork at the rear and internal accoustic treatment. These mobile 
>> control rooms were the last B&W units to be bought by the BBC. In 
>> 1967, with CMCR1 arriving ( the first of many colour units), the B&W 
>> units were either converted to 2-camera colour units or made 
>> redundant. I believe that MCR21 was the first of these ten units to 
>> be taken out of service as a B&W unit, sometime in 1968 with the Pye 
>> Mk VI cameras being transferred to the Hippodrome Theatre, Golders 
>> Green. In the first half of 1969 MCR21was converted to colour, 
>> equipped with 2 Philips PC 60 colour cameras. Below is the story of 
>> the ten Pye MCRs. Lots of photos but basically all the units look 
>> very similar.
>>
>> MCR19 arrived at the BBC on 22nd July 1963.
>> Here it is at BBC Television Centre.
>>
>> Jerry Clegg remembers. 'MCR19 arrived in Manchester on 22/11/1967?and 
>> ?became the first North 1. It was withdrawn from service in Autumn 
>> 1969, when replaced by a colour unit. ?MCR19 went to Edinburgh ?and 
>> was fitted out with two Phillips PC60 colour cameras. MCR19 was only 
>> in service in Manchester for less than two years.'
>>
>> MCR20? was delivered on 27th September 1963.
>> I don't have a picture of the unit but I know it went straight to 
>> Wales and spent its whole life there, until it was sold to the 
>> Bulgarian TV service in August 1972
>>
>>
>> MCR21? was delivered on 12th November 1963
>> It remained in London throughout its service with the BBC
>> PHOTOS
>> ? ? ? ? ? Top - Covering Golf with Support Vehicles in 1967
>> ??????? Below- 1?? Cherbourg in the 1970s as a colour unit covering
>> ?????????????????? a 'Seaside Special'
>> ?????????? 2 In 1979 Brian Summers bought the unit shortly after it 
>> left the BBC and retained it as a colour unit in its new blue livery
>>
>> MCR22? was delivered in February 1964
>> Although MCR22 initially had been going to the West Region in 
>> Bristol. However this unit was kept in London until it moved to 
>> Manchester. Jerry Clegg remembers/'//MCR22 arrived in November 1967 
>> becoming the first??North2??and was also?withdrawn in Autumn 1969. It 
>> was sold to Jordan. I remember it being prepared and checked out in 
>> base.?/
>>
>> MCR23?? was delivered in December 1963
>> Like MCR21, this unit stayed in London throughout its service at the 
>> BBC. In the photo above, MCR21 and MCR23 are shown, along with the 
>> support vehicles and crews, at the London OB base at Kendal Avenue, 
>> before heading to Wembley to televise the 1966 World Cup. MCR23 was 
>> 'mothballed' in 1969. In 1975 it was brought back into service with 
>> two Fernesh colour cameras to replace the London Production Unit, 
>> which was involved in a traffic accident.
>> Shortly after Brian Summers had bought MCR21, He decided to buy 
>> MCR23. For sometime? it was stored in a car park at Pinewood Studios 
>> and then used as a music room at a school. Subsequently the school 
>> sold the vehicle to Brian's friend, Paul Marshall.
>>
>> The top photo shows MCR23 featuring in an episode of Dr Who. Probably 
>> when it was redundant in the early 1970s. The second when it was used 
>> as a music room. Paul Marshall decided to equip the vehicle with 
>> Marconi cameras dating from the 1950s.? It has been earning its keep 
>> being hired out? as a prop to film and TV companies making dramas set 
>> in the 1950s. The third picture shows the unit being used in the 
>> Netflix production, the Crown which recreated the 1953 Coronation. ( 
>> photo Golden Age TV Recreations.) MCR23 is now part of the BECG 
>> collection
>>
>> MCR24 arrived at the BBC in April 1964
>>
>> MCR24 became Unit 8 in London.? In 1968 it was transferred to 
>> Northern Ireland. It served there for several years into the early 
>> 1970s. Photo courtesy of Alan Hyndman.
>>
>> MCRs 25 and 26 must have arrived in late 1964
>> In time to be used in the massive television coverage of Sir Winston 
>> Churchill's Funeral
>> The photo above shows both units at Wimbledon in1965
>>
>> MCR25 was London based throughout its service. According to Robin 
>> Sutherland, who provided me with many of the crew/unit lists, MCR25 
>> was the last B&W unit to be in service at Kendal Avenue.
>>
>> MCR26 was also in service at Kendal avenue at the start on 1970 
>> before going to Wood Norton, the BBC's training centre,
>>
>> MCR27 was delivered to BBC Scotland in 1964
>>
>> It did travel to London in January 1965 to help with the coverage of 
>> Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral. It was converted to a 2-camera 
>> colour unit in the early 1970s until it was replaced by a Link unit ( 
>> Scot 2), equipped with Link 110 and LDK cameras.
>>
>> MCR27 photos? - William Brown
>>
>> MCR28 was delivered to Bristol in late 1964 to serve the BBC West Region
>> The unit remained in the West until its last broadcast. According to 
>> Elizabeth Stanbury a P.A. at the time that was in April 1970, a 
>> football match at Plymouth. It was used again to cover the the 
>> General Election in June that year. MCR28 spent the rest of its days 
>> being used by the Open University. But perhaps the most prestigious 
>> event, covered by the unit, was the Beatles contribution to the 'Our 
>> World' transmitted from the Abbey Road studios in June 1967.
>>
>> Photos of the Beatles outside Abbey Road studios in front of MCR28
>> Below are the names of the people who crewed the London based MCR 
>> Units in 1966 and 1970.
>> Courtesy of Bernie Davis and Robin Sutherland
>>
>> It is more than likely that all the Pye MCRs went to the scrapyard, 
>> apart from MCRs 21 and 23. Thankfully they were saved from that fate 
>> by Brian Summers. Of course, if you know? that any of the other units 
>> survived, please do get in touch. Nick Gilbey
>>
>> *VOLUNTEERING*
>>
>> All the trustees of the Broadcast Television Technology Trust are 
>> volunteers and have been contributing to the MCR21 Project. The 
>> latest volunteer to become a trustee is Jeremy Owen. His financial 
>> and business expertise is most useful for the Trust. Jeremy is now 
>> our treasurer.
>>
>> Volunteer, Rob Burn (pictured), has set up a youtube channel for us. 
>> Rob is also collecting all the information about the MCR21 Project 
>> which is needed for the evaluation document. This information will be 
>> used by our professional evaluator, Natalie Chambers, who will create 
>> the document and submit it to the Heritage Fund. It is an essential 
>> part of the funding process set out by the Heritage Fund.
>>
>> Trustee, Brian Summers, seen here designing the metalwork to support 
>> the engineers desk in MCR21. Brian is coordinating all the work that 
>> needs doing to restore the equipment inside the unit.
>>
>> Brian is being supported by a small group of volunteers who are 
>> working to restore/test equipment. Current work varies from repairing 
>> and testing the monitors to making some of the missing knobs for the 
>> equipment using a 3D printer.
>> More Volunteers would be most Welcome
>>
>> There are many jobs to do - perhaps cleaning up connectors, helping 
>> create a crowdfunding campaign, working on upholstering the seats or 
>> organising our successful ebay sales of redundant equipment. We also 
>> need the the help of those with carpentry or metalwork skills.
>>
>> Above are two photos of the engineers talkback unit - The first taken 
>> in 1964 - The second taken recently and needing a little TLC
>>
>> There are lots of ways you can help.
>> Please do get in touch with Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey
>> brian at mcr21.org.uk? - nick at mcr21.org.uk
>> or telephone Nick 07831 219957
>>
>> 1964 & 2019 Split Screen View at Goodwood -Press to view video 
>> <https://mcr21.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=24da6d5790bf363b61ed2e195&id=aa88e4b7d3&e=27b31bf3ae> 
>>
>>
>> Trustee, Nick Gilbey, has been working on the displays which will 
>> feature both inside and outside MCR21. Above the photo of Nick, is 
>> the link to see how a race at the Goodwood Revival could have been 
>> covered by the 4-camera MCR21 OB against the 12-camera Cloudbass OB, 
>> which televised the race last year. The outputs from 4-cameras, at 
>> last year's race, were recorded and will be played out on the 
>> monitors in MCR21 along with the audio of the directors instructions 
>> to the camera operators and the commentary. To achieve this, Nick 
>> would appreciate any help and advice that someone could offer.
>>
>> Inside Cloudbass 1 showing the many feeds from the cameras around the 
>> track, which director, Westbury Gillett, can cut to.
>>
>> The 12 camera positions around the track shown on the monitors in 
>> Cloudbass OB7
>>
>> Inside MCR21 - The recordings, from four of the Cloudbass cameras 
>> around the racetrack, will be be replayed in sync on the 4:3 
>> monochrome monitors in MCR21
>>
>> These are the 4 camera positions which we have recorded and which 
>> will be replayed in MCR21
>>
>> *FUNDRAISING*
>> We have been successful in raising over ?5,000 towards the cost of 
>> the MCR21 Project. So thank you to the donations from our supporters 
>> who have given us money but also equipment which we have sold at 
>> radio fairs and ebay. The budget for the Project is ?110,000. Thank 
>> you again to the National Lottery players who are donating ?99,000 
>> towards the Project, but we still have to raise the balance. Just as 
>> important is to have money to sustain the Project after MCR21 is 
>> restored. Much of the time MCR21 will be exhibited at museums 
>> throughout England but there will be some overheads that will need to 
>> be paid. That is why we are starting - Friends of MCR21 . We would 
>> very much welcome a monthly payment by standing order, of whatever 
>> amount, from our friends. As well as receiving our newsletters, they 
>> will receive invitations to MCR21 events and other benefits. If you 
>> are willing to become a Friend, please email either Brian Summers or 
>> Nick Gilbey for details. If you feel that you can make a? one off 
>> donation in these troubled times, please use the donate button below.
>> Brian. email: brian at mcr21.org.uk or Nick nick at mcr21.org.uk
>> or call Nick 07831 219957
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Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 10:29:42 +0000
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?Yes, I read that too. There must be some unbelievably gullible people out there!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

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?

From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
Date: 28 May 2020

?Thought this might interest some of us -


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220


Alasdair Lawrance

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From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:31:13 +0100
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I think it goes with this -

http://www.made2hack.com/evaluating-1500-euro-audiophile-cables/

B




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>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220
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Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:32:19 +0100
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MCR21 Newsletter May 2020When did Grange Hill move out of Elstree and transfer to Liverpool?  Around 1999 or so?



From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:00 AM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter May 2020

Any idea when that suggestion was made?  If it was around the 1990s, both the LPU and LMCR were nearing the end of their working lives and had spent a lot of time at Elstree servicing Grange Hill.  Either of them would have been excellent for recording PoV and similar shows. 

Any talk of MCR21 from the 1970s onwards needs to bear in mind the potential for confusion because two further small colour scanners were built which were also known as LO21 or MCR21.  The first of them came into service in the mid 70s and essentially served as a test bed for LDK5 cameras and pin matrix audio talkback systems, both of which proved to be very successful in real world conditions and became key parts of the next generation of scanners.  I don?t know much about the third MCR21 which was built in the 90s because I had left the BBC by then.

Alan Taylor


  On 28 May 2020, at 10:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Here's the latest on MCR21.

  I know that several people here worked on Points of View with me when we were at Elstree for a few months. I remember the OB boss chap saying that they were giving us our own truck, one that was about to be scrapped . Was it this one?

  B



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        Date:  Thu, 28 May 2020 09:25:23 +0000 
        From:  Nick mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk 
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        To:  bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com 


  The MCR21 Project 
                                  
                               
                         
                   
             
                                MCR21 PROJECT
                                MAY 2020
                                NEWSLETTER

                                   
                               
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                                MCR21 RESTORATION  PROGRESS
                                Working on the the vehicle restoration is gathering speed at
                                Ward Jones Commercials. 
                                Some activities on the MCR21 Project have been put on hold due to Coronavirus. However Ward Jones Commercials, the vehicle restorers, remain open and they have found that they have more time to devote to restoring MCR21. Plans are in place to turn the dirty blue paintwork into the original gleaming dark green BBC livery. There is still a bit more bodywork to do, but many of the damaged and corroded parts have been replaced.  
                               
                                  
                               
                                  
                               
                                  
                                  
                               
                                  
                                  
                               
                                WHERE ARE THEY NOW?
                                .
                                MCR21 was one of ten units built by Pye TVT and delivered to the BBC - starting in July 1963 and finishing in mid 1964. They looked identical apart from MCR27 and 28, which had alterations to the bodywork at the rear and internal accoustic treatment. These mobile control rooms were the last B&W units to be bought by the BBC. In 1967, with CMCR1 arriving ( the first of many colour units), the B&W units were either converted to 2-camera colour units or made redundant. I believe that MCR21 was the first of these ten units to be taken out of service as a B&W unit, sometime in 1968 with the Pye Mk VI cameras being transferred to the Hippodrome Theatre, Golders Green. In the first half of 1969 MCR21was converted to colour, equipped with 2 Philips PC 60 colour cameras. Below is the story of the ten Pye MCRs. Lots of photos but basically all the units look very similar.  
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCR19 arrived at the BBC on 22nd July 1963. 
                                Here it is at BBC Television Centre. 
                               
                                  
                               
                                Jerry Clegg remembers. 'MCR19 arrived in Manchester on 22/11/1967 and  became the first North 1. It was withdrawn from service in Autumn 1969, when replaced by a colour unit.  MCR19 went to Edinburgh  and was fitted out with two Phillips PC60 colour cameras. MCR19 was only in service in Manchester for less than two years.'  
                               
                                MCR20  was delivered on 27th September 1963. 
                                I don't have a picture of the unit but I know it went straight to Wales and spent its whole life there, until it was sold to the Bulgarian TV service in August 1972  
                               
                                  
                               
                                  
                                  
                               

                                MCR21  was delivered on 12th November 1963 
                                It remained in London throughout its service with the BBC
                                PHOTOS
                                                          Top - Covering Golf with Support Vehicles in 1967
                                        Below- 1   Cherbourg in the 1970s as a colour unit covering
                                                   a 'Seaside Special'
                                           2  In 1979 Brian Summers bought the unit shortly after it left the BBC and retained it as a colour unit in its new blue livery 
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCR22  was delivered in February 1964
                                Although MCR22 initially had been going to the West Region in Bristol. However this unit was kept in London until it moved to Manchester. Jerry Clegg remembers 'MCR22  arrived in November 1967 becoming the first ?North2? and was also withdrawn in Autumn 1969. It was sold to Jordan. I remember it being prepared and checked out in base.?
                                  
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCR23   was delivered in December 1963
                                Like MCR21, this unit stayed in London throughout its service at the BBC. In the photo above, MCR21 and MCR23 are shown, along with the support vehicles and crews, at the London OB base at Kendal Avenue, before heading to Wembley to televise the 1966 World Cup. MCR23 was 'mothballed' in 1969. In 1975 it was brought back into service with two Fernesh colour cameras to replace the London Production Unit, which was involved in a traffic accident.
                                Shortly after Brian Summers had bought MCR21, He decided to buy MCR23. For sometime  it was stored in a car park at Pinewood Studios and then used as a music room at  a school. Subsequently the school sold the vehicle to Brian's friend, Paul Marshall. 
                               
                                  
                               
                                  
                                  
                               
                                The top photo shows MCR23 featuring in an episode of Dr Who. Probably when it was redundant in the early 1970s. The second when it was used as a music room. Paul Marshall decided to equip the vehicle with Marconi cameras dating from the 1950s.  It has been earning its keep being hired out  as a prop to film and TV companies making dramas set in the 1950s. The third picture shows the unit being used in the Netflix production, the Crown which recreated the 1953 Coronation. ( photo Golden Age TV Recreations.) MCR23 is now part of the BECG collection  
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCR24 arrived at the BBC in April 1964

                                MCR24 became Unit 8 in London.  In 1968 it was transferred to Northern Ireland. It served there for several years into the early 1970s. Photo courtesy of Alan Hyndman. 
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCRs 25 and 26 must have arrived in late 1964 
                                In time to be used in the massive television coverage of Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral

                                The photo above shows both units at Wimbledon in1965

                                MCR25 was London based throughout its service. According to Robin Sutherland, who provided me with many of the crew/unit lists, MCR25 was the last B&W unit to be in service at Kendal Avenue.

                                MCR26 was also in service at Kendal avenue at the start on 1970 before going to Wood Norton, the BBC's training centre, 
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCR27 was delivered to BBC Scotland in 1964

                                It did travel to London in January 1965 to help with the coverage of Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral. It was converted to a 2-camera colour unit in the early 1970s until it was replaced by a Link unit ( Scot 2), equipped with Link 110 and LDK cameras. 
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCR27 photos  - William Brown  
                               
                                  
                               
                                MCR28 was delivered to Bristol in late 1964 to serve the BBC West Region
                                 
                                The unit remained in the West until its last broadcast. According to Elizabeth Stanbury a P.A. at the time that was in April 1970, a football match at Plymouth. It was used again to cover the the General Election in June that year. MCR28 spent the rest of its days being used by the Open University. But perhaps the most prestigious event, covered by the unit, was the Beatles contribution to the 'Our World' transmitted from the Abbey Road studios in June 1967.  
                               
                                  
                                  
                               
                                Photos of the Beatles outside Abbey Road studios in front of MCR28
                                 
                                Below are the names of the people who crewed the London based MCR Units in 1966 and 1970.
                                Courtesy of Bernie Davis and Robin Sutherland 
                               
                                  
                               
                                  
                               
                                It is more than likely that all the Pye MCRs went to the scrapyard, apart from MCRs 21 and 23. Thankfully they were saved from that fate by Brian Summers. Of course, if you know  that any of the other units survived, please do get in touch.    Nick Gilbey  
                               
                                VOLUNTEERING 
                               
                                All the trustees of the Broadcast Television Technology Trust are volunteers and have been contributing to the MCR21 Project. The latest volunteer to become a trustee is Jeremy Owen. His financial and business expertise is most useful for the Trust. Jeremy is now our treasurer.  
                               
                                  
                                Volunteer, Rob Burn (pictured), has set up a youtube channel for us. Rob is also collecting all the information about the MCR21 Project which is needed for the evaluation document. This information will be used by our professional evaluator, Natalie Chambers, who will create the document and submit it to the Heritage Fund. It is an essential part of the funding process set out by the Heritage Fund.  
                               
                                  
                                Trustee, Brian Summers, seen here designing the metalwork to support the engineers desk in MCR21. Brian is coordinating all the work that needs doing to restore the equipment inside the unit.  
                               
                                Brian is being supported by a small group of volunteers who are working to restore/test equipment. Current work varies from repairing and testing the monitors to making some of the missing knobs for the equipment using a 3D printer.

                                More Volunteers would be most Welcome

                                There are many jobs to do - perhaps cleaning up connectors, helping create a crowdfunding campaign, working on upholstering the seats or organising our successful ebay sales of redundant equipment. We also need the the help of those with carpentry or metalwork skills. 
                               
                                  
                                  
                               
                                Above are two photos of the engineers talkback unit - The first taken in 1964 - The second taken recently and needing a little TLC 
                               
                                There are lots of ways you can help. 
                                Please do get in touch with Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey
                                brian at mcr21.org.uk  - nick at mcr21.org.uk
                                or telephone Nick 07831 219957 
                               
                                  
                               
                                1964 & 2019 Split Screen View at Goodwood -Press to view video
                                  
                               
                                  
                               
                                Trustee, Nick Gilbey, has been working on the displays which will feature both inside and outside MCR21. Above the photo of Nick, is the link to see how a race at the Goodwood Revival could have been covered by the 4-camera MCR21 OB against the 12-camera Cloudbass OB, which televised the race last year. The outputs from 4-cameras, at last year's race, were recorded and will be played out on the monitors in MCR21 along with the audio of the directors instructions to the camera operators and the commentary. To achieve this, Nick would appreciate any help and advice that someone could offer.  
                               
                                  
                                Inside Cloudbass 1 showing the many feeds from the cameras around the track, which director, Westbury Gillett, can cut to.  
                               
                                  
                                The 12 camera positions around the track shown on the monitors in Cloudbass OB7 
                               
                                  
                                Inside MCR21 - The recordings, from four of the Cloudbass cameras around the racetrack, will be be replayed in sync on the 4:3 monochrome monitors in MCR21  
                               
                                  
                                These are the 4 camera positions which we have recorded and which will be replayed in MCR21 
                               
                                FUNDRAISING
                                We have been successful in raising over ?5,000 towards the cost of the MCR21 Project. So thank you to the donations from our supporters who have given us money but also equipment which we have sold at radio fairs and ebay. The budget for the Project is ?110,000. Thank you again to the National Lottery players who are donating ?99,000  towards the Project, but we still have to raise the balance. Just as important is to have money to sustain the Project after MCR21 is restored. Much of the time MCR21 will be exhibited at museums throughout England but there will be some overheads that will need to be paid.  That is why we are starting - Friends of MCR21 . We would very much welcome a monthly payment by standing order, of whatever amount, from our friends. As well as receiving our newsletters, they will receive invitations to MCR21 events and other benefits. If you are willing to become a Friend, please email either Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey for details. If you feel that you can make a  one off donation in these troubled times, please use the donate button below.
                                Brian.  email: brian at mcr21.org.uk  or Nick  nick at mcr21.org.uk
                                or call Nick 07831 219957 
                               
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu May 28 05:49:30 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:49:30 +0100
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Shows it?s not just the hippies at Glastonbury who can?t add 2+2

 

Dave D

 

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Sent: 28 May 2020 11:08
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From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com> >
Date: 28 May 2020 

?Thought this might interest some of us - 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220


Alasdair Lawrance

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Thu May 28 05:51:09 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:51:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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Who remembers the guy in Shepherds Bush Market who sold wonder aerials that we?re old capacitors with a bit of wire soldered on. Not even a plug. He?d demonstrate how to bend the wire back  and shove in the co-ax socket of an old mains radio.

John V

Sent from my iPad

> On 28 May 2020, at 11:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>> From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
>> Date: 28 May 2020 
>> 
>> ?Thought this might interest some of us - 
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>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220
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>> Alasdair Lawrance
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>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 28 06:02:18 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:02:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law
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As calls for his resignation have been sounded, is he ?Cumming? or ?Going??
Pat

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It's not the first and it won't be the last comment! Cheers, Dave




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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Thu May 28 06:04:03 2020
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:04:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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Whatever happened to Stanley Unwin?


John H.


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu May 28 06:06:45 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:06:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law
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Trouble is, trying to get rid of him is a case of Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.

Graeme Wall

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> As calls for his resignation have been sounded, is he ?Cumming? or ?Going??
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Thu May 28 06:07:29 2020
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Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:07:29 +0100
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Apparently very popular with councillors at Glastonbury

Dave D

 

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From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com <mailto:alawrance1 at me.com> >
Date: 28 May 2020 

?Thought this might interest some of us - 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 28 06:12:43 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:12:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law
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Nice one! But Jiminy Cricket seems to have gone on strike!
Pat

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From: Graeme Wall
Sent: 28 May 2020 12:06
To: patheigham
Cc: dave.mdv; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dom's Law

Trouble is, trying to get rid of him is a case of Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.
Graeme Wall


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?
As calls for his resignation have been sounded, is he ?Cumming? or ?Going??
Pat
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It's not the first and it won't be the last comment! Cheers, Dave
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 28 06:28:34 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:28:34 +0100
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Stanley Unwin:
A very amusing character, and ex BBC Engineer.
>From Wikipedia:
Unwin died at Danetre Hospital in Daventry on 12 January 2002. He is buried in the churchyard at Long Buckby, with his wife Frances, who predeceased him in 1993. Their gravestone bears the epitaph, "Reunitey in the heavenly-bode?? Deep Joy!". 
A thanksgiving service was held at St Lawrence's Church in Long Buckby and ended with a rendering of "Bye Bye Blackbird" by John Percival and friends. The valediction had been prepared by Unwin's family in his own style: "Goodly Byelode loyal peeploders! Now all gatherymost to amuse it and have a tilty elbow or a nice cuffle-oteedee?? Oh Yes!" 


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Sent: 28 May 2020 12:04
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Subject: Re: [Tech1]Fwd: Pulling apart a ?339 anti-5G USB stick - BBC News

Whatever happened to Stanley Unwin?

John H.



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 28 06:40:10 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 12:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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This sounds like a modern version of the quack doctors flogging rubbish medicines to the wagon trains of the Old Wild West.
But I like the concept of ?electric fog?!
(The Fog ? a 2005 horror film)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fog_(2005_film)

Pat


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From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
Date: 28 May 2020?
?Thought this might interest some of us - 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220


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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu May 28 07:45:18 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 13:45:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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> Whatever happened to Stanley Unwin?
Not much since they buried him.


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu May 28 08:34:37 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 14:34:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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If you?re looking for a good illustration of the sad truth that amongst our population we boast a fair quantity of utter charlatans and complete idiots, you couldn?t find a better example. Made the more striking because the hoodwinked are not just gullible individuals but part of a local authority. Given that it?s Glastonbury, perhaps one ought not to be surprised, but the fact that a local authority feels the need to have an advisory committee on 5G does raise an eyebrow because it seems to suggest that a proportion of the councillors really do swallow all the assertions about health risk that abound without any evidence to support them. The town may well finish up with no coverage anyway as it?s hard to see any mobile network risking erecting a mast in the vicinity given what?s been happening to some of them elsewhere.

Dave Newbitt.

From: John Howell via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:04 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Pulling apart a ?339 anti-5G USB stick - BBC News

Whatever happened to Stanley Unwin?



John H.




`


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    From: Alasdair Lawrance mailto:alawrance1 at me.com
    Date: 28 May 2020 


    ?Thought this might interest some of us - 


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220


    Alasdair Lawrance

    Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.




   


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu May 28 08:49:52 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 14:49:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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I see on the archive that Pat posted twice on this thread, neither of which came to my inbox. Did anyone else find the same?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:08 AM
To: Tech Ops List 
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Pulling apart a ?339 anti-5G USB stick - BBC News



  From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
  Date: 28 May 2020 


  ?Thought this might interest some of us - 


  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220


  Alasdair Lawrance

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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Thu May 28 09:18:39 2020
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:18:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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I received Alasdair's original, my quip about S.U. one from Pat ad two 
from you Dave.

John.



On 28/05/2020 14:49, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> I see on the archive that Pat posted twice on this thread, neither of 
> which came to my inbox. Did anyone else find the same?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 28, 2020 11:08 AM
> *To:* Tech Ops List
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Fwd: Pulling apart a ?339 anti-5G USB stick - BBC News
>> *From:* Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
>> *Date:* 28 May 2020
>>
>> ?Thought this might interest some of us -
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>>
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 10:16:09 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:16:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
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Message-ID: <2115343099.1891584.1590678969258@mail.yahoo.com>

A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown. A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
 Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.

 Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
 We now assume that the invasion is over.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 28 10:24:48 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:24:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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My posting about SU was sent to John and tech1.
The second one from me was to Alasdair and techlist, which I believe is the same as tech1.
I never get my own back, however.

Best 
Pat

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From: patheigham
Sent: 28 May 2020 12:28
To: John Howell; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Tech1]Fwd: Pulling apart a ?339 anti-5G USB stick - BBC News

Stanley Unwin:
A very amusing character, and ex BBC Engineer.
>From Wikipedia:
Unwin died at Danetre Hospital in Daventry on 12 January 2002. He is buried in the churchyard at Long Buckby, with his wife Frances, who predeceased him in 1993. Their gravestone bears the epitaph, "Reunitey in the heavenly-bode?? Deep Joy!". 
A thanksgiving service was held at St Lawrence's Church in Long Buckby and ended with a rendering of "Bye Bye Blackbird" by John Percival and friends. The valediction had been prepared by Unwin's family in his own style: "Goodly Byelode loyal peeploders! Now all gatherymost to amuse it and have a tilty elbow or a nice cuffle-oteedee?? Oh Yes!" 





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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu May 28 10:29:41 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:29:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
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Obviously rehearsing you for ?Get Me Out of Here? Bush Tucker fare!

Pat

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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 28 May 2020 16:19
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature

At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
We now assume that the invasion is over.

luv, Roger.




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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 10:32:55 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:32:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
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In article <2115343099.1891584.1590678969258 at mail.yahoo.com>,
   ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown. A couple of
> mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the
> curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering
> silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up
> the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got
> in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.

Likewise - but in the kitchen. At the seating end which is carpeted.
Followed the trail and pulled out all the furniture there looking for it,
without success.

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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Thu May 28 10:37:42 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (nick at nickway.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:37:42 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu May 28 11:19:23 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:19:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
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We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.

We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.

Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.

Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.

BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish. 

Alan Taylor



> On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
> 	A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
> 	Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.
> 	Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
> 	We now assume that the invasion is over.
> 
> luv, Roger.
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 12:38:06 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 18:38:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 
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I was told, when I worked in Birmingham radio, that Stan was a Radio OBs 
engineer who kept the crowds amused with his Boris-like gobble-de-gook 
language which no-one could understand. He died some years ago. Cheers, Dave

On 28/05/2020 12:04, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Whatever happened to Stanley Unwin?
>
>
> John H.
>
>
> `
>
> On 28/05/2020 11:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>
>>> *From:* Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com>
>>> *Date:* 28 May 2020
>>>
>>> ?Thought this might interest some of us -
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220
>>>
>>>
>>> Alasdair Lawrance
>>>
>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
>>>
>>>
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 28 12:57:03 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:57:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] 
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	<064C612D-7CFF-4E56-A94F-6FA2E1BD1106@me.com>
	<030c95d1-8318-9b99-c421-c9be2a666365@howell61.f9.co.uk>,
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I didn?t see those two messages from Pat either, but then, I had set my mail server to block the word Bond - -  until I realised that it must be blocking my Premium Bond winner emails too.
(Only joking!!)
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 28 May 2020, at 18:38, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I was told, when I worked in Birmingham radio, that Stan was a Radio OBs engineer who kept the crowds amused with his Boris-like gobble-de-gook language which no-one could understand. He died some years ago. Cheers, Dave

On 28/05/2020 12:04, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:

Whatever happened to Stanley Unwin?


John H.


`

On 28/05/2020 11:08, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote:


From: Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com><mailto:alawrance1 at me.com>
Date: 28 May 2020

?Thought this might interest some of us -


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52810220


Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.






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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 13:08:41 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 19:08:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
References: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD@btinternet.com>

?
?A polite reminder if I may:

Slug pellets don?t only kill slugs!

Birds can eat them as well as other animals too. Poisoned slugs can be ingested by slug predators like toads & hedgehogs which in turn can suffer from secondary poisoning. 

There are plenty of alternative Target species slug control measures that you can find on Google without me boring you all with.
Or.....perhaps by now Monty Don May have a good suggestion, given the amount of paradise for slug environments he continually creates with his ?cram it all in any old how & mow it down when it gets too big? style of gardening?  

Steve
Ps That applies to mouse/rat bait too - take care where you put it. 




>> On 28 May 2020, at 17:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.
> 
> We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.
> 
> Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.
> 
> Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.
> 
> BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
>> 	A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
>> 	Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.
>> 	Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
>> 	We now assume that the invasion is over.
>> 
>> luv, Roger.
>> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 13:08:41 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 19:08:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
References: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD@btinternet.com>

?
?A polite reminder if I may:

Slug pellets don?t only kill slugs!

Birds can eat them as well as other animals too. Poisoned slugs can be ingested by slug predators like toads & hedgehogs which in turn can suffer from secondary poisoning. 

There are plenty of alternative Target species slug control measures that you can find on Google without me boring you all with.
Or.....perhaps by now Monty Don May have a good suggestion, given the amount of paradise for slug environments he continually creates with his ?cram it all in any old how & mow it down when it gets too big? style of gardening?  

Steve
Ps That applies to mouse/rat bait too - take care where you put it. 




>> On 28 May 2020, at 17:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.
> 
> We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.
> 
> Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.
> 
> Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.
> 
> BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
>> 	A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
>> 	Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.
>> 	Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
>> 	We now assume that the invasion is over.
>> 
>> luv, Roger.
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu May 28 13:15:20 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 18:15:20 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Samsung laptop up for grabs
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03515E62FA4545495FFFF35CA78E0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I recently upgraded my wife?s laptop, and rather than dump her old one, I?m wondering if anyone would like it for free plus the cost of sending it to you.
It?s a 15? Samsung Intel Core i5 model NP300-5C-A04UK dated August 2012, in very good condition. There are two snags - one, it needs a new Windows installation because I thought it was going to the charity shop, so formatted the HDD. It would benefit greatly from a Win10 new install on an SSD anyway.
Snag 2: It?s pink!! And so it the slip-case!!
But might be ideal for small child, grandchild, etc.
Yours for the cost of DPD sending. Or we could meet (at 2 metres) if you?re anywhere near Guildford, Cranleigh, etc. Call me on 07802-246088
(Note: too good to dump, and the local charity shops are all shut.)
Cheers,
Nick. 
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 13:23:37 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 19:23:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
In-Reply-To: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <6712CE58-F36B-49E4-ACF4-F565157D9201@btinternet.com>

How do you get rid of Foxes?


> On 28 May 2020, at 19:08, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?A polite reminder if I may:
> 
> Slug pellets don?t only kill slugs!
> 
> Birds can eat them as well as other animals too. Poisoned slugs can be ingested by slug predators like toads & hedgehogs which in turn can suffer from secondary poisoning. 
> 
> There are plenty of alternative Target species slug control measures that you can find on Google without me boring you all with.
> Or.....perhaps by now Monty Don May have a good suggestion, given the amount of paradise for slug environments he continually creates with his ?cram it all in any old how & mow it down when it gets too big? style of gardening?  
> 
> Steve
> Ps That applies to mouse/rat bait too - take care where you put it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 28 May 2020, at 17:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.
>> 
>> We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.
>> 
>> Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.
>> 
>> Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.
>> 
>> BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
>>> 	A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
>>> 	Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.
>>> 	Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
>>> 	We now assume that the invasion is over.
>>> 
>>> luv, Roger.
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 14:29:45 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 20:29:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A special FX frightener!
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How to scare people in a caf?! Cheers, Dave

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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 15:36:02 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 21:36:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
References: <B21A4B69-F9F3-425B-957C-AD0576EC00C1.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B21A4B69-F9F3-425B-957C-AD0576EC00C1@btinternet.com>

?
??Are they any good at digging?



....If so, I could take them off your hands.  

Delivering foxes over to me shouldn?t be a problem: In direct response to Mr Cummings? recent statements, North Wales Police have just revised their views regarding travelling during the lockdown. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVFUgYfLhZI

S
.



  
>> On 28 May 2020, at 19:23,
> 
> 
> 
>> Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> ?How do you get rid of Foxes?
> 
> 
>> On 28 May 2020, at 19:08, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> ?A polite reminder if I may:
>> 
>> Slug pellets don?t only kill slugs!
>> 
>> Birds can eat them as well as other animals too. Poisoned slugs can be ingested by slug predators like toads & hedgehogs which in turn can suffer from secondary poisoning. 
>> 
>> There are plenty of alternative Target species slug control measures that you can find on Google without me boring you all with.
>> Or.....perhaps by now Monty Don May have a good suggestion, given the amount of paradise for slug environments he continually creates with his ?cram it all in any old how & mow it down when it gets too big? style of gardening?  
>> 
>> Steve
>> Ps That applies to mouse/rat bait too - take care where you put it. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 28 May 2020, at 17:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?
>>> We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.
>>> 
>>> We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.
>>> 
>>> Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.
>>> 
>>> Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.
>>> 
>>> BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?
>>>> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
>>>> 	A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
>>>> 	Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.
>>>> 	Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
>>>> 	We now assume that the invasion is over.
>>>> 
>>>> luv, Roger.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 15:36:02 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 21:36:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
References: <B21A4B69-F9F3-425B-957C-AD0576EC00C1.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B21A4B69-F9F3-425B-957C-AD0576EC00C1@btinternet.com>

?
??Are they any good at digging?



....If so, I could take them off your hands.  

Delivering foxes over to me shouldn?t be a problem: In direct response to Mr Cummings? recent statements, North Wales Police have just revised their views regarding travelling during the lockdown. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qVFUgYfLhZI

S
.



  
>> On 28 May 2020, at 19:23,
> 
> 
> 
>> Albert Barber <ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> ?How do you get rid of Foxes?
> 
> 
>> On 28 May 2020, at 19:08, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> ?A polite reminder if I may:
>> 
>> Slug pellets don?t only kill slugs!
>> 
>> Birds can eat them as well as other animals too. Poisoned slugs can be ingested by slug predators like toads & hedgehogs which in turn can suffer from secondary poisoning. 
>> 
>> There are plenty of alternative Target species slug control measures that you can find on Google without me boring you all with.
>> Or.....perhaps by now Monty Don May have a good suggestion, given the amount of paradise for slug environments he continually creates with his ?cram it all in any old how & mow it down when it gets too big? style of gardening?  
>> 
>> Steve
>> Ps That applies to mouse/rat bait too - take care where you put it. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 28 May 2020, at 17:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?
>>> We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.
>>> 
>>> We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.
>>> 
>>> Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.
>>> 
>>> Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.
>>> 
>>> BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish. 
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> ?
>>>> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
>>>> 	A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
>>>> 	Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.
>>>> 	Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
>>>> 	We now assume that the invasion is over.
>>>> 
>>>> luv, Roger.
>>>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 17:21:33 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 23:21:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
Message-ID: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>

The whole saga comes down to childcare of a 4 year old boy. How many of 
us ordinary mortals would consider enclosing our 4 year old son in a car 
for 5 hours with a Covid-19 suffering mother and a symptomatic father? 
No meal breaks, no toilet breaks? On the 30 mile trip back from Barnard 
Castle they had to stop for a toilet break in the woods for the 4 year 
old, how did he manage to do 260 miles without one? Me thinks we are 
being taken for fools! Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 18:28:37 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 00:28:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's law pt. 3
Message-ID: <82b77f99-7683-d713-37dc-9d2e7e51d4ac@btinternet.com>

PS. I forgot to mention that is was Mummy's birthday on trip to 
Barnard's Castle, did they just happen to have a picnic basket ready to 
be used in the woods? after the 4 year old had had his pee? One does 
wonder! Cheers, Dave.



From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 18:56:38 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 00:56:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's law pt. 3
References: <36B4810D-446D-4DFF-BE13-4AFCE62D6CEE.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <36B4810D-446D-4DFF-BE13-4AFCE62D6CEE@btinternet.com>

?It will certainly be very ?interesting? to see the outcome of the Durham Police investigation into this. 

There?s no way Cummings could have avoided hundreds of ANPR and other road monitoring CCTV cameras etc -  the Police would easily have access to this software enabling them to easily piece together his almost every movement over his journey of at least 600? miles that we know of. 

I wonder if they?ll treat this case as a matter of urgency? ......If he had innocently kissed someone on the cheek and they make a complaint the Police would probably already have him in front of the Magistrates by now! 

S





> On 29 May 2020, at 00:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?PS. I forgot to mention that is was Mummy's birthday on trip to Barnard's Castle, did they just happen to have a picnic basket ready to be used in the woods  after the 4 year old had had his pee? One does wonder! Cheers, Dave.
> 
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From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com  Thu May 28 18:56:38 2020
From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (Steve Edwards)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 00:56:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's law pt. 3
References: <36B4810D-446D-4DFF-BE13-4AFCE62D6CEE.ref@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <36B4810D-446D-4DFF-BE13-4AFCE62D6CEE@btinternet.com>

?It will certainly be very ?interesting? to see the outcome of the Durham Police investigation into this. 

There?s no way Cummings could have avoided hundreds of ANPR and other road monitoring CCTV cameras etc -  the Police would easily have access to this software enabling them to easily piece together his almost every movement over his journey of at least 600? miles that we know of. 

I wonder if they?ll treat this case as a matter of urgency? ......If he had innocently kissed someone on the cheek and they make a complaint the Police would probably already have him in front of the Magistrates by now! 

S





> On 29 May 2020, at 00:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?PS. I forgot to mention that is was Mummy's birthday on trip to Barnard's Castle, did they just happen to have a picnic basket ready to be used in the woods  after the 4 year old had had his pee? One does wonder! Cheers, Dave.
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri May 29 02:45:38 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:45:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
In-Reply-To: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD@btinternet.com>
References: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <EC5AF65B-391E-47E5-8092-033C86F34213@mac.com>

We believe that slug pellets even killed our cat - after using them one afternoon a few years ago, in fact many years ago, the following morning we found the cat stone cold, lying across a loosely coiled hosepipe, which seemed strange in itself, with his body absolutely doubled up as if he had died in agony. There were no outward signs of harm and he was a fairly healthy individual of no great age. 

We?ve never used slug pellets since and rat poison only within the proprietary containers which seem fairly safe for pets - unless your pet is a rat, of course!

Mike G

> On 28 May 2020, at 19:09, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?
> ?A polite reminder if I may:
> 
> Slug pellets don?t only kill slugs!
> 
> Birds can eat them as well as other animals too. Poisoned slugs can be ingested by slug predators like toads & hedgehogs which in turn can suffer from secondary poisoning. 
> 
> There are plenty of alternative Target species slug control measures that you can find on Google without me boring you all with.
> Or.....perhaps by now Monty Don May have a good suggestion, given the amount of paradise for slug environments he continually creates with his ?cram it all in any old how & mow it down when it gets too big? style of gardening?  
> 
> Steve
> Ps That applies to mouse/rat bait too - take care where you put it. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 28 May 2020, at 17:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.
>> 
>> We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.
>> 
>> Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.
>> 
>> Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.
>> 
>> BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
>>> 	A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.
>>> 	Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.
>>> 	Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!
>>> 	We now assume that the invasion is over.
>>> 
>>> luv, Roger.
>>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri May 29 02:49:54 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:49:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
References: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <B4108023-00C4-430C-9C37-B0FBC51EAE1D@mac.com>

I trust that we are all writing repeatedly to our MPs. 

Mike G

> On 28 May 2020, at 23:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The whole saga comes down to childcare of a 4 year old boy. How many of us ordinary mortals would consider enclosing our 4 year old son in a car for 5 hours with a Covid-19 suffering mother and a symptomatic father? No meal breaks, no toilet breaks? On the 30 mile trip back from Barnard Castle they had to stop for a toilet break in the woods for the 4 year old, how did he manage to do 260 miles without one? Me thinks we are being taken for fools! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May 29 02:54:14 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:54:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
References: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <DE68B81A-FFB7-4A9A-BEFA-F727F28F9A32@me.com>

My wife totally nailed it.

Dominic Cummings is the guy who turns up at A&E with a vacuum cleaner nozzle stuck on his nether regions, who explains "I walked out of the bathroom naked and unbeknown to me, my wife had been Hoovering but left the hoover unattended on the floor while she answered the phone.  I tripped over it and my hand fell onto the switch, causing it to start unexpectedly .............."


Alan Taylor



On 28 May 2020, at 28 May . 23:21, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> The whole saga comes down to childcare of a 4 year old boy. How many of us ordinary mortals would consider enclosing our 4 year old son in a car for 5 hours with a Covid-19 suffering mother and a symptomatic father? No meal breaks, no toilet breaks? On the 30 mile trip back from Barnard Castle they had to stop for a toilet break in the woods for the 4 year old, how did he manage to do 260 miles without one? Me thinks we are being taken for fools! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 03:20:02 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:20:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <B4108023-00C4-430C-9C37-B0FBC51EAE1D@mac.com>
References: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
	<B4108023-00C4-430C-9C37-B0FBC51EAE1D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <214071792.2444658.1590740402090@mail.yahoo.com>

 I sympathise with the lady who asked why any of this was considered newsworthy - Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat behaves in exactly the selfish way that you'd expect an Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat to behave. No real surprises there.

As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, the best?way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go for a long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was probably safe.' Can we all use that excuse now, when we fail a breathalyser? "Yes, Ossifer, I knew I was a teeny weeny teeny (Hic) tiny bit pished, but - but- but (burp) Ah didn't know wevver Ah woz toooo pished to drive - so . . . "As self-justification speeches go, it was well up to the Prince Andrew standard.
Of course he shouldn't resign. He should be sacked! Why is it that Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Parasitic Twats are allowed to resign, while we poorer, humbler twats get sacked? Unfortunately, his boss is another Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat, albeit a more entertaining one.
Roger Bunce, for the Bring-Back-the-Tumbrils Party.?

    On Friday, 29 May 2020, 08:50:27 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 I trust that we are all writing repeatedly to our MPs. 

Mike G

> On 28 May 2020, at 23:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The whole saga comes down to childcare of a 4 year old boy. How many of us ordinary mortals would consider enclosing our 4 year old son in a car for 5 hours with a Covid-19 suffering mother and a symptomatic father? No meal breaks, no toilet breaks? On the 30 mile trip back from Barnard Castle they had to stop for a toilet break in the woods for the 4 year old, how did he manage to do 260 miles without one? Me thinks we are being taken for fools! Cheers, Dave
> 
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri May 29 03:21:41 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 09:21:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
In-Reply-To: <EC5AF65B-391E-47E5-8092-033C86F34213@mac.com>
References: <143118DB-E4E3-4BF2-BC12-8ACB03A4B1AD@btinternet.com>
	<EC5AF65B-391E-47E5-8092-033C86F34213@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BB36CF1D241E4AC69B19A6BD543ECF49@Gigabyte>

We have just been investigating Slug Pellets as we need some for the garden.
The ones on sale nowadays all conform to EU regulations (till next Boris year when we can buy it to feed to him? ? should we be referring to that as AD ? After Dominic?) and don?t contain the old poisons which killed everything.
New products contain Iron Phosphate which the slugs lap up when hungry then feel full so don?t eat anything more and starve to death.
It is only this stuff that can be legally sold in this country. Hence even places like Wilko and B&Q only sell those.

Mike

From: Mike Giles via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 8:45 AM
To: Steve Edwards 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature

We believe that slug pellets even killed our cat - after using them one afternoon a few years ago, in fact many years ago, the following morning we found the cat stone cold, lying across a loosely coiled hosepipe, which seemed strange in itself, with his body absolutely doubled up as if he had died in agony. There were no outward signs of harm and he was a fairly healthy individual of no great age. 

We?ve never used slug pellets since and rat poison only within the proprietary containers which seem fairly safe for pets - unless your pet is a rat, of course!

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri May 29 03:24:37 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 09:24:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <214071792.2444658.1590740402090@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
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	<214071792.2444658.1590740402090@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FE78CF59-0F7A-4970-BCB6-8BEBD60D8650@icloud.com>

Problem is sacking him is akin to Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.

NB Did anyone else notice him turning on the (largely right wing Brexit supporting) press and telling them they got it wrong on Brexit?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 29 May 2020, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I sympathise with the lady who asked why any of this was considered newsworthy - Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat behaves in exactly the selfish way that you'd expect an Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat to behave. No real surprises there.
> 
> As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, the best way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go for a long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was probably safe.' Can we all use that excuse now, when we fail a breathalyser? "Yes, Ossifer, I knew I was a teeny weeny teeny (Hic) tiny bit pished, but - but- but (burp) Ah didn't know wevver Ah woz toooo pished to drive - so . . . "
> As self-justification speeches go, it was well up to the Prince Andrew standard.
> 
> Of course he shouldn't resign. He should be sacked! Why is it that Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Parasitic Twats are allowed to resign, while we poorer, humbler twats get sacked? Unfortunately, his boss is another Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat, albeit a more entertaining one.
> 
> Roger Bunce, for the Bring-Back-the-Tumbrils Party. 
> 
> 
> On Friday, 29 May 2020, 08:50:27 BST, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I trust that we are all writing repeatedly to our MPs. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
> > On 28 May 2020, at 23:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > ?The whole saga comes down to childcare of a 4 year old boy. How many of us ordinary mortals would consider enclosing our 4 year old son in a car for 5 hours with a Covid-19 suffering mother and a symptomatic father? No meal breaks, no toilet breaks? On the 30 mile trip back from Barnard Castle they had to stop for a toilet break in the woods for the 4 year old, how did he manage to do 260 miles without one? Me thinks we are being taken for fools! Cheers, Dave
> > 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 03:37:37 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 09:37:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <214071792.2444658.1590740402090@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
	<B4108023-00C4-430C-9C37-B0FBC51EAE1D@mac.com>
	<214071792.2444658.1590740402090@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5878283fa3davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <214071792.2444658.1590740402090 at mail.yahoo.com>,
   ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, the
> best way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go for a
> long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was probably
> safe.'

And of course driving with known or suspected defective eyesight is
against the law too.

I'd also question the wisdom of anyone who suspects their eyesight may not
be up to driving to find out if it is by doing so. As you'd be a danger to
everyone on the roads - not just yourself wife and child.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May 29 03:56:47 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 09:56:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Politics
Message-ID: <07a86c40-ecd7-d55e-9c80-baf4a7c854d4@gmail.com>

On this forum we don't do politics.

Signed

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri May 29 04:41:12 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:41:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <FE78CF59-0F7A-4970-BCB6-8BEBD60D8650@icloud.com>
References: <0cc480d5-b6e9-1f7e-e376-7e4c966e771b@btinternet.com>
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Message-ID: <5ed0d8b8.1c69fb81.13114.ffa9@mx.google.com>

This is a perfect example of ?one law for us and another for the plebs?.

I?m reminded that Jeffrey Archer could not be stripped of his peerage, although being convicted of perjury and spending time banged up!

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 29 May 2020 09:24
To: ROGER BUNCE
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2

Problem is sacking him is akin to Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.

NB Did anyone else notice him turning on the (largely right wing Brexit supporting) press and telling them they got it wrong on Brexit?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 29 May 2020, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I sympathise with the lady who asked why any of this was considered newsworthy - Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat behaves in exactly the selfish way that you'd expect an Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat to behave. No real surprises there.
> 
> As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, the best way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go for a long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was probably safe.' Can we all use that excuse now, when we fail a breathalyser? "Yes, Ossifer, I knew I was a teeny weeny teeny (Hic) tiny bit pished, but - but- but (burp) Ah didn't know wevver Ah woz toooo pished to drive - so . . . "
> As self-justification speeches go, it was well up to the Prince Andrew standard.
> 
> Of course he shouldn't resign. He should be sacked! Why is it that Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Parasitic Twats are allowed to resign, while we poorer, humbler twats get sacked? Unfortunately, his boss is another Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat, albeit a more entertaining one.
> 
> Roger Bunce, for the Bring-Back-the-Tumbrils Party. 



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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri May 29 04:44:04 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:44:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
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Susie Dent?s word of the day:-

 

BLOVIATOR (19thC) ? a speaker of empty rhetoric and blower of hot air; someone who talks a lot but says very little.

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May 29 04:45:58 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:45:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] POLITICS !!!
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On this forum we don't do politics.

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May 29 04:47:46 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 09:47:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Invasion of the Slime Creature
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We lost two perfectly healthy cats within a few weeks of each other. Both had horrific bleeding ulcerated mouths. Vet diagnosis was industrial rat poison. Neighbours denied they had rats in their filthy food-waste strewn back yard despite the fact that they had a bait box like you see on industrial estates. Cat catches poisoned rat and is poisoned too.
One reason we moved to a better area.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 May 2020, at 08:46, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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We believe that slug pellets even killed our cat - after using them one afternoon a few years ago, in fact many years ago, the following morning we found the cat stone cold, lying across a loosely coiled hosepipe, which seemed strange in itself, with his body absolutely doubled up as if he had died in agony. There were no outward signs of harm and he was a fairly healthy individual of no great age.

We?ve never used slug pellets since and rat poison only within the proprietary containers which seem fairly safe for pets - unless your pet is a rat, of course!

Mike G

On 28 May 2020, at 19:09, Steve Edwards via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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?
?A polite reminder if I may:

Slug pellets don?t only kill slugs!

Birds can eat them as well as other animals too. Poisoned slugs can be ingested by slug predators like toads & hedgehogs which in turn can suffer from secondary poisoning.

There are plenty of alternative Target species slug control measures that you can find on Google without me boring you all with.
Or.....perhaps by now Monty Don May have a good suggestion, given the amount of paradise for slug environments he continually creates with his ?cram it all in any old how & mow it down when it gets too big? style of gardening?

Steve
Ps That applies to mouse/rat bait too - take care where you put it.




On 28 May 2020, at 17:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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We sometimes find slug trails ( and on rare occasions a slug ) inside our back door. The door is quite tight fitting and has weather seals, but the shape shifting blighters seem to be able to squeeze through unfeasibly tiny gaps.

We solved the problem by means of a liberal application of slug pellets outside that door, but wouldn?t advise using them indoors as the dead slugs turn into slime volcanoes and look like a prop from a horror movie.

Other things claimed to be slug deterrents include salt or crushed eggshells, neither of which would be compatible with a living room. Fingers crossed that it was just one adventurous slug and that others aren?t finding a way in.  Hopefully your physical way of accidentally dealing with that slug has solved the problem.

Our house has stone walls and we often notice slug trails 15 feet up the wall in places, so I wouldn?t be surprised if they could find a way through a window. If there is a recurrence, check carefully outside.

BTW, I once got involved in snail racing but my fastest snail wasn?t very competitive.  I tried removing it?s shell to make it lighter, but it ended up rather sluggish.

Alan Taylor



On 28 May 2020, at 16:19, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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A rare moment of excitement during housebound lockdown.
A couple of mornings, earlier in the week, we entered the living room, drew back the curtains, and found that the carpet had been decorated with meandering silver trails. We had an intruder - a snail or a slug. We hoovered up the mess, but were unable to find the culprit. Nor do we know how it got in. We?d had no cut flowers or pot plants in that room recently.

Reasoning that it only came out in the dark, we left the living room lights on, for a couple of nights. The trails did not reappear.

Last night, we went to bed later than usual. A clash of TV programme meant that we had to watch one the of them on a ?Plus-One? channel. The main lights were out, for ease of watching the tele. At bedtime, I stood up, and felt something wet under my bare foot. Thinking I must have accidentally spilt my drink, I looked down, to find that I had stood on, and squashed, a slug. Yuk!

We now assume that the invasion is over.

luv, Roger.

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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri May 29 04:49:54 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 10:49:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
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A rather ?disturbing? article written by a former BBC News producer ? 

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2020/05/28/in-this-age-of-untruth-bbc-journalists-are-being-taken-for-a-ride/

 

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From brian at mcr21.org.uk  Fri May 29 05:47:01 2020
From: brian at mcr21.org.uk (Brian Summers)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 11:47:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter May 2020
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Hello 

 

I did a spell at Elstree with the LPU in the late 1980s/early 1990s on Grange Hill. I would have to find my diaries to know the exact dates. 

 

But about MCR21, to clarify. 

 

There was only one MCR21 and these  MCR plus sequence number remained with the vehicle.  

 

When MCR21 arrived at KA it was given the Local number LO1, Later when CMCR1 arrived MCR21 became known as LO21.  The ?LOxx? Unit number were moveable numbers and more related to the function of the current owner of the number.  The same shifting sand number applied to other regions/bases. 

 

MCR21 = LO1 & later LO21.  388 EXH

The second LO21 was as Alan says was a small test scanner for new cameras. Little is known about this OB van and more details are needed.

CMCR39 became the 3rd holder of the LO21 title. GUL 644W

CMCR61 became the 4th holder of the LO21 title, a Type 7 scanner J327 CYW 

 

CMCR61 ended up at BBC Scotland, it may still be in use.

 

On a related front there are gaps in the CMCR numbering sequence?? I have never been able to find details of these ghost numbers??  For instance  CMCR28 to 34 appear to be unused??   Can anyone help on this please.

 

 

Regards

 

Brian Summers 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 28 May 2020 11:01
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter May 2020

 

Any idea when that suggestion was made?  If it was around the 1990s, both the LPU and LMCR were nearing the end of their working lives and had spent a lot of time at Elstree servicing Grange Hill.  Either of them would have been excellent for recording PoV and similar shows. 

 

Any talk of MCR21 from the 1970s onwards needs to bear in mind the potential for confusion because two further small colour scanners were built which were also known as LO21 or MCR21.  The first of them came into service in the mid 70s and essentially served as a test bed for LDK5 cameras and pin matrix audio talkback systems, both of which proved to be very successful in real world conditions and became key parts of the next generation of scanners.  I don?t know much about the third MCR21 which was built in the 90s because I had left the BBC by then.

 

Alan Taylor





On 28 May 2020, at 10:31, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? 
Here's the latest on MCR21.

I know that several people here worked on Points of View with me when we were at Elstree for a few months. I remember the OB boss chap saying that they were giving us our own truck, one that was about to be scrapped . Was it this one?

B



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Subject: 

MCR21 Newsletter May 2020


Date: 

Thu, 28 May 2020 09:25:23 +0000


From: 

Nick  <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk> <nick at mcr21.org.uk>


Reply-To: 

Nick  <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk> <nick at mcr21.org.uk>


To: 

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 MCR21 PROJECT
MAY 2020


NEWSLETTER


  

 



 <https://mailchi.mp/d541c3f1c7cd/mcr21-newsletter-march-4470256?e=27b31bf3ae> View in Your Browser 

 




MCR21 RESTORATION  PROGRESS

Working on the the vehicle restoration is gathering speed at
Ward Jones Commercials. 

Some activities on the MCR21 Project have been put on hold due to Coronavirus. However Ward Jones Commercials, the vehicle restorers, remain open and they have found that they have more time to devote to restoring MCR21. Plans are in place to turn the dirty blue paintwork into the original gleaming dark green BBC livery. There is still a bit more bodywork to do, but many of the damaged and corroded parts have been replaced. 

 





 





 








 








 




WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

 .
MCR21 was one of ten units built by Pye TVT and delivered to the BBC - starting in July 1963 and finishing in mid 1964. They looked identical apart from MCR27 and 28, which had alterations to the bodywork at the rear and internal accoustic treatment. These mobile control rooms were the last B&W units to be bought by the BBC. In 1967, with CMCR1 arriving ( the first of many colour units), the B&W units were either converted to 2-camera colour units or made redundant. I believe that MCR21 was the first of these ten units to be taken out of service as a B&W unit, sometime in 1968 with the Pye Mk VI cameras being transferred to the Hippodrome Theatre, Golders Green. In the first half of 1969 MCR21was converted to colour, equipped with 2 Philips PC 60 colour cameras. Below is the story of the ten Pye MCRs. Lots of photos but basically all the units look very similar. 

 





 




MCR19 arrived at the BBC on 22nd July 1963. 
Here it is at BBC Television Centre.

 





 




Jerry Clegg remembers. 'MCR19 arrived in Manchester on 22/11/1967 and  became the first North 1. It was withdrawn from service in Autumn 1969, when replaced by a colour unit.  MCR19 went to Edinburgh  and was fitted out with two Phillips PC60 colour cameras. MCR19 was only in service in Manchester for less than two years.' 

 




MCR20  was delivered on 27th September 1963. 

I don't have a picture of the unit but I know it went straight to Wales and spent its whole life there, until it was sold to the Bulgarian TV service in August 1972 

 





 








 





MCR21  was delivered on 12th November 1963 

It remained in London throughout its service with the BBC
PHOTOS

                          Top - Covering Golf with Support Vehicles in 1967
        Below- 1   Cherbourg in the 1970s as a colour unit covering
                   a 'Seaside Special'
           2  In 1979 Brian Summers bought the unit shortly after it left the BBC and retained it as a colour unit in its new blue livery

 





 




MCR22  was delivered in February 1964

Although MCR22 initially had been going to the West Region in Bristol. However this unit was kept in London until it moved to Manchester. Jerry Clegg remembers 'MCR22  arrived in November 1967 becoming the first ?North2? and was also withdrawn in Autumn 1969. It was sold to Jordan. I remember it being prepared and checked out in base.?
 

 





 




MCR23   was delivered in December 1963

Like MCR21, this unit stayed in London throughout its service at the BBC. In the photo above, MCR21 and MCR23 are shown, along with the support vehicles and crews, at the London OB base at Kendal Avenue, before heading to Wembley to televise the 1966 World Cup. MCR23 was 'mothballed' in 1969. In 1975 it was brought back into service with two Fernesh colour cameras to replace the London Production Unit, which was involved in a traffic accident.
Shortly after Brian Summers had bought MCR21, He decided to buy MCR23. For sometime  it was stored in a car park at Pinewood Studios and then used as a music room at  a school. Subsequently the school sold the vehicle to Brian's friend, Paul Marshall.

 












 




The top photo shows MCR23 featuring in an episode of Dr Who. Probably when it was redundant in the early 1970s. The second when it was used as a music room. Paul Marshall decided to equip the vehicle with Marconi cameras dating from the 1950s.  It has been earning its keep being hired out  as a prop to film and TV companies making dramas set in the 1950s. The third picture shows the unit being used in the Netflix production, the Crown which recreated the 1953 Coronation. ( photo Golden Age TV Recreations.) MCR23 is now part of the BECG collection 

 





 




MCR24 arrived at the BBC in April 1964


MCR24 became Unit 8 in London.  In 1968 it was transferred to Northern Ireland. It served there for several years into the early 1970s. Photo courtesy of Alan Hyndman.

 





 




MCRs 25 and 26 must have arrived in late 1964 
In time to be used in the massive television coverage of Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral

 

The photo above shows both units at Wimbledon in1965


MCR25 was London based throughout its service. According to Robin Sutherland, who provided me with many of the crew/unit lists, MCR25 was the last B&W unit to be in service at Kendal Avenue.

MCR26 was also in service at Kendal avenue at the start on 1970 before going to Wood Norton, the BBC's training centre,

 





 




MCR27 was delivered to BBC Scotland in 1964

It did travel to London in January 1965 to help with the coverage of Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral. It was converted to a 2-camera colour unit in the early 1970s until it was replaced by a Link unit ( Scot 2), equipped with Link 110 and LDK cameras.

 





 




MCR27 photos  - William Brown 

 





 




MCR28 was delivered to Bristol in late 1964 to serve the BBC West Region
 

The unit remained in the West until its last broadcast. According to Elizabeth Stanbury a P.A. at the time that was in April 1970, a football match at Plymouth. It was used again to cover the the General Election in June that year. MCR28 spent the rest of its days being used by the Open University. But perhaps the most prestigious event, covered by the unit, was the Beatles contribution to the 'Our World' transmitted from the Abbey Road studios in June 1967. 

 








 




Photos of the Beatles outside Abbey Road studios in front of MCR28
 

Below are the names of the people who crewed the London based MCR Units in 1966 and 1970.
Courtesy of Bernie Davis and Robin Sutherland

 





 





 




It is more than likely that all the Pye MCRs went to the scrapyard, apart from MCRs 21 and 23. Thankfully they were saved from that fate by Brian Summers. Of course, if you know  that any of the other units survived, please do get in touch.    Nick Gilbey 

 




VOLUNTEERING

 




All the trustees of the Broadcast Television Technology Trust are volunteers and have been contributing to the MCR21 Project. The latest volunteer to become a trustee is Jeremy Owen. His financial and business expertise is most useful for the Trust. Jeremy is now our treasurer. 

 






Volunteer, Rob Burn (pictured), has set up a youtube channel for us. Rob is also collecting all the information about the MCR21 Project which is needed for the evaluation document. This information will be used by our professional evaluator, Natalie Chambers, who will create the document and submit it to the Heritage Fund. It is an essential part of the funding process set out by the Heritage Fund. 

 






Trustee, Brian Summers, seen here designing the metalwork to support the engineers desk in MCR21. Brian is coordinating all the work that needs doing to restore the equipment inside the unit. 

 




Brian is being supported by a small group of volunteers who are working to restore/test equipment. Current work varies from repairing and testing the monitors to making some of the missing knobs for the equipment using a 3D printer.

 

More Volunteers would be most Welcome


There are many jobs to do - perhaps cleaning up connectors, helping create a crowdfunding campaign, working on upholstering the seats or organising our successful ebay sales of redundant equipment. We also need the the help of those with carpentry or metalwork skills.

 








 




Above are two photos of the engineers talkback unit - The first taken in 1964 - The second taken recently and needing a little TLC

 




There are lots of ways you can help. 

Please do get in touch with Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey

brian at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk>   - nick at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk> 
or telephone Nick 07831 219957

 





 



 <https://mcr21.us19.list-manage.com/track/click?u=24da6d5790bf363b61ed2e195&id=aa88e4b7d3&e=27b31bf3ae> 1964 & 2019 Split Screen View at Goodwood -Press to view video 

 





 




Trustee, Nick Gilbey, has been working on the displays which will feature both inside and outside MCR21. Above the photo of Nick, is the link to see how a race at the Goodwood Revival could have been covered by the 4-camera MCR21 OB against the 12-camera Cloudbass OB, which televised the race last year. The outputs from 4-cameras, at last year's race, were recorded and will be played out on the monitors in MCR21 along with the audio of the directors instructions to the camera operators and the commentary. To achieve this, Nick would appreciate any help and advice that someone could offer. 

 






Inside Cloudbass 1 showing the many feeds from the cameras around the track, which director, Westbury Gillett, can cut to. 

 






The 12 camera positions around the track shown on the monitors in Cloudbass OB7

 






Inside MCR21 - The recordings, from four of the Cloudbass cameras around the racetrack, will be be replayed in sync on the 4:3 monochrome monitors in MCR21 

 






These are the 4 camera positions which we have recorded and which will be replayed in MCR21

 




FUNDRAISING

We have been successful in raising over ?5,000 towards the cost of the MCR21 Project. So thank you to the donations from our supporters who have given us money but also equipment which we have sold at radio fairs and ebay. The budget for the Project is ?110,000. Thank you again to the National Lottery players who are donating ?99,000  towards the Project, but we still have to raise the balance. Just as important is to have money to sustain the Project after MCR21 is restored. Much of the time MCR21 will be exhibited at museums throughout England but there will be some overheads that will need to be paid.  That is why we are starting - Friends of MCR21 . We would very much welcome a monthly payment by standing order, of whatever amount, from our friends. As well as receiving our newsletters, they will receive invitations to MCR21 events and other benefits. If you are willing to become a Friend, please email either Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey for details. If you feel that you can make a  one off donation in these troubled times, please use the donate button below.

Brian.  email: brian at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk>   or Nick  nick at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:nick at mcr21.org.uk> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri May 29 06:23:11 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 12:23:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
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References: <5ed0d8b8.1c69fb81.13114.ffa9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <02D01CF5-ADC2-42B2-8305-6EAED2BC447A@mac.com>

I repeat - I trust we are all writing repeatedly to our MPs!

Mike G

> On 29 May 2020, at 10:41, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> This is a perfect example of ?one law for us and another for the plebs?.
>  
> I?m reminded that Jeffrey Archer could not be stripped of his peerage, although being convicted of perjury and spending time banged up!
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 29 May 2020 09:24
> To: ROGER BUNCE
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
>  
> Problem is sacking him is akin to Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.
>  
> NB Did anyone else notice him turning on the (largely right wing Brexit supporting) press and telling them they got it wrong on Brexit?
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>  
>  
> > On 29 May 2020, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I sympathise with the lady who asked why any of this was considered newsworthy - Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat behaves in exactly the selfish way that you'd expect an Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat to behave. No real surprises there.
> >
> > As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, the best way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go for a long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was probably safe.' Can we all use that excuse now, when we fail a breathalyser? "Yes, Ossifer, I knew I was a teeny weeny teeny (Hic) tiny bit pished, but - but- but (burp) Ah didn't know wevver Ah woz toooo pished to drive - so . . . "
> > As self-justification speeches go, it was well up to the Prince Andrew standard.
> >
> > Of course he shouldn't resign. He should be sacked! Why is it that Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Parasitic Twats are allowed to resign, while we poorer, humbler twats get sacked? Unfortunately, his boss is another Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat, albeit a more entertaining one.
> >
> > Roger Bunce, for the Bring-Back-the-Tumbrils Party.
>  
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May 29 07:36:22 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 12:36:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Annual accounts / tax returns
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351BD1E4CD7186BE80BC349A7A10@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Update on this:
I?m glad I put out this request because the result has been very satisfactory, saved me a lot of money, and got a better tax rebate than I could have expected.
I will gladly share the initial contact info privately if anyone wants it.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 11 May 2020, at 10:53, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m interested to talk to anyone in a similar ?semi-retired? situation to me who does their own online or paper tax return, or if you use an accountant, how that compares to mine.
> Basically, since de-registering for VAT in 2013, my finances couldn?t be simpler, yet the fee the accountant is quoting me is ?1850.00 inc VAT, a figure that steadily creeps up year on year. 
> When I asked him last year if he was saving me more than he was costing me, he reluctantly said probably not (followed by a lot of smarmy sales-talk about the advantages of using a reputable firm like the one he works for). I?ve been with them for thirty years. 
> What does the team think? If anyone has the time to email me privately in the first instance I?d be really grateful.
> Needless to say, if any of this might be helpful for others, I?ll share details here.
> nick at njware.co.uk or waresound at msn.com
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Sent from my iPad mini 5

From nick at nickway.co.uk  Fri May 29 07:53:36 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 13:53:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Annual accounts / tax returns
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May 29 07:58:18 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 13:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Annual accounts / tax returns
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035112BF80A7296A944F5992A78F0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB0351BD1E4CD7186BE80BC349A7A10@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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What did you end up doing about your accounts?  I would be interested in how you dealt with it and I'm sure others would too..

Alan Taylor



On 29 May 2020, at 29 May . 13:36, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Update on this:
> I?m glad I put out this request because the result has been very satisfactory, saved me a lot of money, and got a better tax rebate than I could have expected.
> I will gladly share the initial contact info privately if anyone wants it.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 11 May 2020, at 10:53, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?I?m interested to talk to anyone in a similar ?semi-retired? situation to me who does their own online or paper tax return, or if you use an accountant, how that compares to mine.
>> Basically, since de-registering for VAT in 2013, my finances couldn?t be simpler, yet the fee the accountant is quoting me is ?1850.00 inc VAT, a figure that steadily creeps up year on year. 
>> When I asked him last year if he was saving me more than he was costing me, he reluctantly said probably not (followed by a lot of smarmy sales-talk about the advantages of using a reputable firm like the one he works for). I?ve been with them for thirty years. 
>> What does the team think? If anyone has the time to email me privately in the first instance I?d be really grateful.
>> Needless to say, if any of this might be helpful for others, I?ll share details here.
>> nick at njware.co.uk or waresound at msn.com
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 08:33:44 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 14:33:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lockdown
Message-ID: <404aa584-827c-40e2-5bf4-a3c7d8a27133@btinternet.com>

More words of wisdom! Cheers, Dave


 ??????? 2019: Stay away from negative people and......... 2020: Stay
 ??????? away from positive people.


 ??????? You think it?s bad now? In 20 years our country will be run by
 ??????? people who were home schooled by day drinkers.

 ??????? The world has turned upside down. Now it's the old folks who are
 ??????? sneaking out of the house, and the kids are yelling at them to
 ??????? stay indoors.

 ??????? Do not call the police if you see suspicious looking people in
 ??????? your neighborhood. They're your neighbours, without makeup and
 ??????? hair extensions.

 ??????? Day 7 at home and the dog is looking at me like, ?See? This is
 ??????? why I chew the furniture.?

 ??????? Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just
 ??????? keep washing our hands?

 ??????? I never thought the comment ?I wouldn?t touch him/her with a
 ??????? six-foot-pole? would become national policy, but here we are.

 ??????? Me: Alexa what?s the weather this weekend?
 ??????? Alexa: It doesn?t matter ? you?re not going anywhere!

 ??????? I swear my fridge just said ?What the hell do you want now??

 ??????? Quarantine has turned us into dogs. We roam the house all day
 ??????? looking for food. We are told ?no? if we get too close to
 ??????? strangers. And we get really excited about car rides.

 ??????? When this is over?which meeting do I attend first?Weight
 ??????? Watchers or AA?



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri May 29 08:44:55 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 14:44:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lockdown
In-Reply-To: <404aa584-827c-40e2-5bf4-a3c7d8a27133@btinternet.com>
References: <404aa584-827c-40e2-5bf4-a3c7d8a27133@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <4fa94db9-e9ac-8e52-4a82-8470d4a9025e@gmail.com>

I can't even paint the house at the moment because you're not supposed 
to paint in direct sunlight.

B



On 29/05/2020 14:33, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> More words of wisdom! Cheers, Dave
>
>
> ??????? 2019: Stay away from negative people and......... 2020: Stay
> ??????? away from positive people.
>
>
> ??????? You think it?s bad now? In 20 years our country will be run by
> ??????? people who were home schooled by day drinkers.
>
> ??????? The world has turned upside down. Now it's the old folks who are
> ??????? sneaking out of the house, and the kids are yelling at them to
> ??????? stay indoors.
>
> ??????? Do not call the police if you see suspicious looking people in
> ??????? your neighborhood. They're your neighbours, without makeup and
> ??????? hair extensions.
>
> ??????? Day 7 at home and the dog is looking at me like, ?See? This is
> ??????? why I chew the furniture.?
>
> ??????? Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just
> ??????? keep washing our hands?
>
> ??????? I never thought the comment ?I wouldn?t touch him/her with a
> ??????? six-foot-pole? would become national policy, but here we are.
>
> ??????? Me: Alexa what?s the weather this weekend?
> ??????? Alexa: It doesn?t matter ? you?re not going anywhere!
>
> ??????? I swear my fridge just said ?What the hell do you want now??
>
> ??????? Quarantine has turned us into dogs. We roam the house all day
> ??????? looking for food. We are told ?no? if we get too close to
> ??????? strangers. And we get really excited about car rides.
>
> ??????? When this is over?which meeting do I attend first?Weight
> ??????? Watchers or AA?
>
>

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri May 29 09:31:08 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 14:31:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Lockdown
In-Reply-To: <4fa94db9-e9ac-8e52-4a82-8470d4a9025e@gmail.com>
References: <404aa584-827c-40e2-5bf4-a3c7d8a27133@btinternet.com>,
	<4fa94db9-e9ac-8e52-4a82-8470d4a9025e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351E128AADB8BE0E447E985A78F0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Why? Does the brush keep sticking to the canvas? You must have a photo that you could use as a guide.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 May 2020, at 14:45, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I can't even paint the house at the moment because you're not supposed to paint in direct sunlight.

B



On 29/05/2020 14:33, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
More words of wisdom! Cheers, Dave


        2019: Stay away from negative people and......... 2020: Stay
        away from positive people.


        You think it?s bad now? In 20 years our country will be run by
        people who were home schooled by day drinkers.

        The world has turned upside down. Now it's the old folks who are
        sneaking out of the house, and the kids are yelling at them to
        stay indoors.

        Do not call the police if you see suspicious looking people in
        your neighborhood. They're your neighbours, without makeup and
        hair extensions.

        Day 7 at home and the dog is looking at me like, ?See? This is
        why I chew the furniture.?

        Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just
        keep washing our hands?

        I never thought the comment ?I wouldn?t touch him/her with a
        six-foot-pole? would become national policy, but here we are.

        Me: Alexa what?s the weather this weekend?
        Alexa: It doesn?t matter ? you?re not going anywhere!

        I swear my fridge just said ?What the hell do you want now??

        Quarantine has turned us into dogs. We roam the house all day
        looking for food. We are told ?no? if we get too close to
        strangers. And we get really excited about car rides.

        When this is over?which meeting do I attend first?Weight
        Watchers or AA?



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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri May 29 09:42:21 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 15:42:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lockdown
In-Reply-To: <404aa584-827c-40e2-5bf4-a3c7d8a27133@btinternet.com>
References: <404aa584-827c-40e2-5bf4-a3c7d8a27133@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <0334678C-B01B-451C-8AB2-E6A677245355@me.com>


Apparently Dave has solved the problem of inadvertently touching his face - he keeps a glass in each hand.

Things will change in late June.  There will be football on the TV once more and the louts who have so far been flouting lockdown will be sat on their sofas watching TV.

I had a birthday recently and once the candles were lit, I instinctively started washing my hands.

Here's a great idea for a TV reality show, it's a variation on Big Brother.  We are all stuck at home and watch a programme where twelve people have a normal life.

I feel sorry for anybody who was given a page per day diary this Christmas.

Just before lockdown, my wife and I went to Germany to stockpile some sausages and cheese in case of a wurst k?se scenario,

I could tell you a very subtle coronavirus joke, but it might take you two weeks to get it.

There are now too many coronavirus jokes. It has become a pundemic.



Alan Taylor



On 29 May 2020, at 29 May . 14:33, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> More words of wisdom! Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
>         2019: Stay away from negative people and......... 2020: Stay
>         away from positive people.
> 
> 
>         You think it?s bad now? In 20 years our country will be run by
>         people who were home schooled by day drinkers.
> 
>         The world has turned upside down. Now it's the old folks who are
>         sneaking out of the house, and the kids are yelling at them to
>         stay indoors.
> 
>         Do not call the police if you see suspicious looking people in
>         your neighborhood. They're your neighbours, without makeup and
>         hair extensions.
> 
>         Day 7 at home and the dog is looking at me like, ?See? This is
>         why I chew the furniture.?
> 
>         Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just
>         keep washing our hands?
> 
>         I never thought the comment ?I wouldn?t touch him/her with a
>         six-foot-pole? would become national policy, but here we are.
> 
>         Me: Alexa what?s the weather this weekend?
>         Alexa: It doesn?t matter ? you?re not going anywhere!
> 
>         I swear my fridge just said ?What the hell do you want now??
> 
>         Quarantine has turned us into dogs. We roam the house all day
>         looking for food. We are told ?no? if we get too close to
>         strangers. And we get really excited about car rides.
> 
>         When this is over?which meeting do I attend first?Weight
>         Watchers or AA?
> 
> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 11:22:58 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 16:22:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <000401d6359d$b0e0abe0$12a203a0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <000401d6359d$b0e0abe0$12a203a0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1553408059.2986368.1590769378590@mail.yahoo.com>

 I thought the name for one of those was John Birt.
    On Friday, 29 May 2020, 10:44:37 BST, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
Susie Dent?s word of the day:-

 ?

BLOVIATOR (19thC) ? a speaker of empty rhetoric and blower of hot air; someone who talks a lot but says very little.

 ?

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 12:19:40 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 18:19:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lockdown
In-Reply-To: <0334678C-B01B-451C-8AB2-E6A677245355@me.com>
References: <404aa584-827c-40e2-5bf4-a3c7d8a27133@btinternet.com>
	<0334678C-B01B-451C-8AB2-E6A677245355@me.com>
Message-ID: <9a37a716-cf03-99b5-c33a-38337543bfa0@btinternet.com>

You've revealed my secret, Alan! Cheers, Dave

On 29/05/2020 15:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> Apparently Dave has solved the problem of inadvertently touching his face - he keeps a glass in each hand.
>
> Things will change in late June.  There will be football on the TV once more and the louts who have so far been flouting lockdown will be sat on their sofas watching TV.
>
> I had a birthday recently and once the candles were lit, I instinctively started washing my hands.
>
> Here's a great idea for a TV reality show, it's a variation on Big Brother.  We are all stuck at home and watch a programme where twelve people have a normal life.
>
> I feel sorry for anybody who was given a page per day diary this Christmas.
>
> Just before lockdown, my wife and I went to Germany to stockpile some sausages and cheese in case of a wurst k?se scenario,
>
> I could tell you a very subtle coronavirus joke, but it might take you two weeks to get it.
>
> There are now too many coronavirus jokes. It has become a pundemic.
>
>
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
> On 29 May 2020, at 29 May . 14:33, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> More words of wisdom! Cheers, Dave
>>
>>
>>          2019: Stay away from negative people and......... 2020: Stay
>>          away from positive people.
>>
>>
>>          You think it?s bad now? In 20 years our country will be run by
>>          people who were home schooled by day drinkers.
>>
>>          The world has turned upside down. Now it's the old folks who are
>>          sneaking out of the house, and the kids are yelling at them to
>>          stay indoors.
>>
>>          Do not call the police if you see suspicious looking people in
>>          your neighborhood. They're your neighbours, without makeup and
>>          hair extensions.
>>
>>          Day 7 at home and the dog is looking at me like, ?See? This is
>>          why I chew the furniture.?
>>
>>          Does anyone know if we can take showers yet or should we just
>>          keep washing our hands?
>>
>>          I never thought the comment ?I wouldn?t touch him/her with a
>>          six-foot-pole? would become national policy, but here we are.
>>
>>          Me: Alexa what?s the weather this weekend?
>>          Alexa: It doesn?t matter ? you?re not going anywhere!
>>
>>          I swear my fridge just said ?What the hell do you want now??
>>
>>          Quarantine has turned us into dogs. We roam the house all day
>>          looking for food. We are told ?no? if we get too close to
>>          strangers. And we get really excited about car rides.
>>
>>          When this is over?which meeting do I attend first?Weight
>>          Watchers or AA?
>>
>>
>> -- 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 12:27:57 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 18:27:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
In-Reply-To: <02D01CF5-ADC2-42B2-8305-6EAED2BC447A@mac.com>
References: <5ed0d8b8.1c69fb81.13114.ffa9@mx.google.com>
	<02D01CF5-ADC2-42B2-8305-6EAED2BC447A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5c242a4a-9fdc-6799-1c16-8af8cb0ec887@btinternet.com>

Mine is Dominic Raab, so no chance of ant criticism! Cheers, Dave

On 29/05/2020 12:23, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> I repeat - I trust we are all writing repeatedly to our MPs!
>
> Mike G
>
>> On 29 May 2020, at 10:41, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> This is a perfect example of ?one law for us and another for the plebs?.
>>
>> I?m reminded that Jeffrey Archer could not be stripped of his 
>> peerage, although being convicted of perjury and spending time banged up!
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>> *From: *Graeme Wall via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *29 May 2020 09:24
>> *To: *ROGER BUNCE <mailto:rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
>> *Cc: *Tech ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
>>
>> Problem is sacking him is akin to Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.
>>
>> NB Did anyone else notice him turning on the (largely right wing 
>> Brexit supporting) press and telling them they got it wrong on Brexit?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>> > On 29 May 2020, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I sympathise with the lady who asked why any of this was considered 
>> newsworthy - Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat behaves in exactly the selfish 
>> way that you'd expect an Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat to behave. 
>> No real surprises there.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, 
>> the best way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go 
>> for a long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was 
>> probably safe.' Can we all use that excuse now, when we fail a 
>> breathalyser? "Yes, Ossifer, I knew I was a teeny weeny teeny (Hic) 
>> tiny bit pished, but - but- but (burp) Ah didn't know wevver Ah woz 
>> toooo pished to drive - so . . . "
>>
>> > As self-justification speeches go, it was well up to the Prince 
>> Andrew standard.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Of course he shouldn't resign. He should be sacked! Why is it that 
>> Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Parasitic Twats are allowed to resign, 
>> while we poorer, humbler twats get sacked? Unfortunately, his boss is 
>> another Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat, albeit a more entertaining one.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Roger Bunce, for the Bring-Back-the-Tumbrils Party.
>>
>>
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 12:34:07 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 18:34:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
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Ooops, another typo! ANY not ant! Cheers, Dave

On 29/05/2020 18:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Mine is Dominic Raab, so no chance of ant criticism! Cheers, Dave
>
> On 29/05/2020 12:23, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
>> I repeat - I trust we are all writing repeatedly to our MPs!
>>
>> Mike G
>>
>>> On 29 May 2020, at 10:41, patheigham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> This is a perfect example of ?one law for us and another for the plebs?.
>>>
>>> I?m reminded that Jeffrey Archer could not be stripped of his 
>>> peerage, although being convicted of perjury and spending time 
>>> banged up!
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>>> Windows 10
>>>
>>> *From: *Graeme Wall via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> *Sent: *29 May 2020 09:24
>>> *To: *ROGER BUNCE <mailto:rogerbunce at btinternet.com>
>>> *Cc: *Tech ops <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
>>>
>>> Problem is sacking him is akin to Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.
>>>
>>> NB Did anyone else notice him turning on the (largely right wing 
>>> Brexit supporting) press and telling them they got it wrong on Brexit?
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>> > On 29 May 2020, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I sympathise with the lady who asked why any of this was 
>>> considered newsworthy - Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat behaves in exactly 
>>> the selfish way that you'd expect an Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich 
>>> Twat to behave. No real surprises there.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, 
>>> the best way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go 
>>> for a long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was 
>>> probably safe.' Can we all use that excuse now, when we fail a 
>>> breathalyser? "Yes, Ossifer, I knew I was a teeny weeny teeny (Hic) 
>>> tiny bit pished, but - but- but (burp) Ah didn't know wevver Ah woz 
>>> toooo pished to drive - so . . . "
>>>
>>> > As self-justification speeches go, it was well up to the Prince 
>>> Andrew standard.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Of course he shouldn't resign. He should be sacked! Why is it that 
>>> Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Parasitic Twats are allowed to resign, 
>>> while we poorer, humbler twats get sacked? Unfortunately, his boss 
>>> is another Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat, albeit a more entertaining one.
>>>
>>> >
>>>
>>> > Roger Bunce, for the Bring-Back-the-Tumbrils Party.
>>>
>>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 12:47:24 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 18:47:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Another charlatan!
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This smirking individual really annoys me. Don't forget he was Rupert's 
cheerleader when he was trying to buy the rest of Sky, and what he did 
in the NHS was ****! Cheers, Dave

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri May 29 13:08:58 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 18:08:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Gothic by Gaslight
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Hi All,
Time for Chapter Twenty, out of Twenty-Four.
The denouement is approaching fast but, as everyone know, before you reach the denouement, you have to have the chase scene! And this is where it starts. So, expect a relentless steam-powered gallop across Europe - ploughing roughshod through national stereotypes and Victorian cliches.
Health Warning - This chapter contains certain plot twists and inexplicable circumstances which may confuse readers of a more slow-witted disposition. But all the clues are there, if you read carefully enough. So Pay Attention! There are no prizes for working out What-The-Hell's-Going-On, before the partial revelation at the end, but you'll probably enjoy a satisfying sense of smugness if you manage it.
luv, Rog.
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Fri May 29 13:37:50 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 19:37:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
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I've often thought that D. Cummings is on the autistic spectrum, and I see his behaviour as evidence - 

Lack of empathy - having a co-worker, not even an employee, removed under armed police guard from No. 10.

Calling teachers and civil servants 'The Blob'.  

Lack of care of personal appearance - dress, personal hygiene (not shaving).

He's undoubtedly bright, but the evidence is not obvious.

Thinking rules apply only to others.

I'm no expert, but there seems to be some evidence to me.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 29 May 2020, at 10:41, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> This is a perfect example of ?one law for us and another for the plebs?.
>  
> I?m reminded that Jeffrey Archer could not be stripped of his peerage, although being convicted of perjury and spending time banged up!
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 29 May 2020 09:24
> To: ROGER BUNCE
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dom's Law pt.2
>  
> Problem is sacking him is akin to Pinocchio sacking Gepetto.
>  
> NB Did anyone else notice him turning on the (largely right wing Brexit supporting) press and telling them they got it wrong on Brexit?
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>  
>  
> > On 29 May 2020, at 09:20, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > I sympathise with the lady who asked why any of this was considered newsworthy - Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat behaves in exactly the selfish way that you'd expect an Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat to behave. No real surprises there.
> >
> > As for, 'I didn't know whether I was fit to drive. So, I thought, the best way to find out is to stick a four-year old in the car, go for a long drive and, if I didn't kill him or anyone else, I was probably safe.' Can we all use that excuse now, when we fail a breathalyser? "Yes, Ossifer, I knew I was a teeny weeny teeny (Hic) tiny bit pished, but - but- but (burp) Ah didn't know wevver Ah woz toooo pished to drive - so . . . "
> > As self-justification speeches go, it was well up to the Prince Andrew standard.
> >
> > Of course he shouldn't resign. He should be sacked! Why is it that Arrogant Spoiled-Little-Rich Parasitic Twats are allowed to resign, while we poorer, humbler twats get sacked? Unfortunately, his boss is another Spoiled-Little-Rich Twat, albeit a more entertaining one.
> >
> > Roger Bunce, for the Bring-Back-the-Tumbrils Party.
>  
> 
> 
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