From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 06:42:02 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:42:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: <75F4E284-454A-4AA1-A881-F3A44C6326C2@me.com> References: <75F4E284-454A-4AA1-A881-F3A44C6326C2@me.com> Message-ID: The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather tasteless.? Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? B On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. > > It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. > > Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. > > Alan > > > >> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave >>> >>>> On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. >>>> >>>> Garth >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at theeccles.uk Sun Mar 1 06:49:19 2020 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 12:49:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <75F4E284-454A-4AA1-A881-F3A44C6326C2@me.com> Message-ID: <003201d5efc7$d39008a0$7ab019e0$@theeccles.uk> Try? https://thecornishfishmonger.co.uk/shell-fish/all-shellfish-species for mail order Cornish shellfish. M. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 01 March 2020 12:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cheese The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather tasteless. Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? B On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. Alan On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? B On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. Garth -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 1 07:20:33 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:20:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Say Cheese! In-Reply-To: <16d45060-2ad9-07cd-917f-37d4a048221a@btinternet.com> References: <9646DA3F-60C7-418A-8B37-B3BEDAFD1DE7@me.com> <16d45060-2ad9-07cd-917f-37d4a048221a@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e5bb6a3.1c69fb81.23adc.5202@mx.google.com> On reflection, I wonder if Garth has a point ? cheese is remarkably expensive, as is bacon, but the former is a good source of protein. Bacon, too, is full of protein, but against that, contains much fat and salt. For affluent lifestyles, I am reminded of shooting in a London nightclub, during the day. The staff had left the wine card on the tables. Glancing at it I was startled to discover that they charged ?800 for a bottle of champagne (probably fairly inferior!) I gathered that their clientele consisted mostly of Middle Eastern sheiks, over here to spend their oil money! And this was a good 40 years ago. If Patsy and Edwina (Ab Fab) had been real, just think what their daily bill for ?Bolly? would have been! On another note ? Radio 4Extra yesterday broadcast a delightful programme with Nick Park telling the story of getting Wallace and Gromit to the screen in ?A Grand Day Out?. (?No cheese, Gromit!?) Nick was nominated for an Oscar for that, and went on to be awarded a further 4, for future work. Pretty good for an NFTS student! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 28 February 2020 23:18 To: Garth Tucker; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cheese Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. > > Garth -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Mar 1 07:31:44 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:31:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E5B89D3-0314-4E02-B3A8-B129F1979453@me.com> I was told by a restaurant owner that frozen lobsters in the UK are mostly from Maine, but of course fresh lobsters are local. I?ve bought the frozen ones from Lidl and they?re somewhat bland if cooked simply, but pretty good when livened up with a flavoursome sauce. In many supermarkets in Maine, you can buy three lobsters for $10 and they then chuck them in a pot of boiling water to cook them while you wait. I rather like the idea of fresh lobsters at McDonalds prices. Speaking of which, McDonalds in New England sell lobster rolls, but I never tried them. One of my favourite haunts in the UK is the south Hams in Devon. The locally caught lobsters and crabs from Beesands are superb, but unfortunately they are not cheap. The fish shack on the beach does the best crab sandwiches I?ve ever had. They first of all spread the brown meat onto both slices and then generously fill with the white meat. Alan Taylor > On 1 Mar 2020, at 12:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather tasteless. Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. > > Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? > > B > > > > On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. >> >> It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. >> >> Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. >> >> Alan >> >> >> >>>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave >>>> >>>>> On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. >>>>> >>>>> Garth >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Mar 1 07:33:22 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:33:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: <003201d5efc7$d39008a0$7ab019e0$@theeccles.uk> References: <003201d5efc7$d39008a0$7ab019e0$@theeccles.uk> Message-ID: <74E347DE-A73B-47F8-BFE5-6AA2BD63A0FA@zero51.force9.co.uk> Lidl are in the middle of a French week and they have snails and mussels, and Flammekeuche (tarte flamb?e) all frozen but also Munster cheese which is very loosely Camembert like. It has been used successfully in the past to discourage German soldiery from investigating too thoroughly and ditto English customs in personal experience in more recent times. Its fairly innocuous while still chilled but you know all about it as it ?matures? in ambient temperatures. I once had the doubtful pleasure of being the only volunteer to clear Tina?s mother?s kitchen cupboard of a Munster cheese when she had been suddenly taken into hospital two or three weeks before. It?s weapons grade and doesn?t take prisoners, as they say, but nevertheless it is very tasty if it you don?t let it get out of control! Approach with caution. Peter Fox > On 1 Mar 2020, at 12:49, Martin Eccles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Try? > > https://thecornishfishmonger.co.uk/shell-fish/all-shellfish-species > > for mail order Cornish shellfish. > M. > > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 01 March 2020 12:42 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cheese > > > The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather tasteless. Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. > > Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? > > B > > > > On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. > > It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. > > Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. > > Alan > > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? > > B > > > > > On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave > > On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. > > Garth > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 1 07:36:03 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:36:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lobsters In-Reply-To: References: <75F4E284-454A-4AA1-A881-F3A44C6326C2@me.com> Message-ID: <5e5bba44.1c69fb81.36ddd.ac7f@mx.google.com> No idea why one cannot obtain crabs from Cornwall. But try this: www.fishforthought.co.uk/ Looks possible. I?ve posted this story before, but in case you missed it: One job I was on, a Thames TV story about the National Trust had us finishing at Mullion in Cornwall. To make the pictures interesting, it had been arranged to film the lobster fishermen bringing in their catch. As I was going on to stay with my then girlfriend and her parents, I asked to buy a lobster from the fishermen. Deal completed, I took it to the hotel chef who dispatched it for me and put it in the freezer, when asked how much I had paid, he was astonished ? much less than he could get them from the market ? I told him to buy direct from the quayside! One other assistant cameraman also bought a lobster, and stashing it in a bucket in the guard?s van (Intercity 125?s had those, then), I heard later that the guard came round and inquired : ? If one of you gentlemen had a lobster ? if so, it?s escaped and is crawling around my van....!? Oh! What fun!! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 01 March 2020 12:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Cheese The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather tasteless.? Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 07:45:32 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:45:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: <003201d5efc7$d39008a0$7ab019e0$@theeccles.uk> References: <75F4E284-454A-4AA1-A881-F3A44C6326C2@me.com> <003201d5efc7$d39008a0$7ab019e0$@theeccles.uk> Message-ID: All Cornish fish companies are out of stock on whole crabs B On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 12:49 Martin Eccles via Tech1, wrote: > Try? > > > > https://thecornishfishmonger.co.uk/shell-fish/all-shellfish-species > > > > for mail order Cornish shellfish. > > M. > > > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 01 March 2020 12:42 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc:* Bernard Newnham > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Cheese > > > > > The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a > Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap > frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly > indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather > tasteless. Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a > couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was > actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. > > Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there > a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? > > B > > > On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. > > > > It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. > > > > Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. > > > > Alan > > > > > > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave > > > > On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > > Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. > > > > Garth > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 07:52:11 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:52:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: <6E5B89D3-0314-4E02-B3A8-B129F1979453@me.com> References: <6E5B89D3-0314-4E02-B3A8-B129F1979453@me.com> Message-ID: I was told that Maine lobsters are cheap because we, or rather the Americans, ate all the cod. The cod ate lobster eggs which used to be there in abundance, but because they were eaten, kept the price of lobster up. B On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 13:32 Alan Taylor via Tech1, wrote: > I was told by a restaurant owner that frozen lobsters in the UK are mostly > from Maine, but of course fresh lobsters are local. I?ve bought the > frozen ones from Lidl and they?re somewhat bland if cooked simply, but > pretty good when livened up with a flavoursome sauce. > > In many supermarkets in Maine, you can buy three lobsters for $10 and they > then chuck them in a pot of boiling water to cook them while you wait. I > rather like the idea of fresh lobsters at McDonalds prices. Speaking of > which, McDonalds in New England sell lobster rolls, but I never tried them. > > One of my favourite haunts in the UK is the south Hams in Devon. The > locally caught lobsters and crabs from Beesands are superb, but > unfortunately they are not cheap. The fish shack on the beach does the best > crab sandwiches I?ve ever had. They first of all spread the brown meat onto > both slices and then generously fill with the white meat. > > Alan Taylor > > On 1 Mar 2020, at 12:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a > Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap > frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly > indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather > tasteless. Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a > couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was > actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. > > Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there > a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? > > B > > > > On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. > > It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. > > Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. > > Alan > > > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? > > B > > > > > On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave > > > On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. > > Garth > > -- > Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Mar 1 08:58:13 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 14:58:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My wife and I were eating in a seafood restaurant in New England where I had no hesitation in passing over the ?Traditional English fish & chips? on the menu in favour of something more interesting. It turned out to b a very wise decision when I observed that dish being served to an adjacent table. The chef must have imagined that deep fried cod is traditionally served in England with what Americans call chips, so they were served a plate of fish and crisps, accompanied by mashed frozen peas for extra authenticity. Alan Taylor > On 1 Mar 2020, at 13:52, Bernard Newnham wrote: > > ? > I was told that Maine lobsters are cheap because we, or rather the Americans, ate all the cod. The cod ate lobster eggs which used to be there in abundance, but because they were eaten, kept the price of lobster up. > > B > >> On Sun, 1 Mar 2020, 13:32 Alan Taylor via Tech1, wrote: >> I was told by a restaurant owner that frozen lobsters in the UK are mostly from Maine, but of course fresh lobsters are local. I?ve bought the frozen ones from Lidl and they?re somewhat bland if cooked simply, but pretty good when livened up with a flavoursome sauce. >> >> In many supermarkets in Maine, you can buy three lobsters for $10 and they then chuck them in a pot of boiling water to cook them while you wait. I rather like the idea of fresh lobsters at McDonalds prices. Speaking of which, McDonalds in New England sell lobster rolls, but I never tried them. >> >> One of my favourite haunts in the UK is the south Hams in Devon. The locally caught lobsters and crabs from Beesands are superb, but unfortunately they are not cheap. The fish shack on the beach does the best crab sandwiches I?ve ever had. They first of all spread the brown meat onto both slices and then generously fill with the white meat. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>>> On 1 Mar 2020, at 12:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather tasteless. Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. >>> >>> Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. >>>> >>>> It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. >>>> >>>> Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. >>>> >>>> Alan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Garth >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 10:13:27 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 16:13:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: References: <75F4E284-454A-4AA1-A881-F3A44C6326C2@me.com> Message-ID: Information from https://thecornishfishmonger.co.uk/Buy-Crab Cornwall has protected its crab stock by having a minimum landing size in excess of 500g, while other areas of the country have smaller minimum landing sizes, almost half Cornwall's. Any small crabs and those that won't make the grade are returned to the sea; this way there is no waste or discards. You can still but Cornish crabs from various fishmongers. And there's even guidance on how to kill them humanely. See: https://www.cornwallgoodseafoodguide.org.uk/how-to-guides/humanely-killing-crustaceans-.php KW On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 12:42, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we pass a > Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the cheap > frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an incredibly > indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as rather > tasteless. Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster and a > couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster was > actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. > > Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is there > a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get me some? > > B > > > > On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. > > It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. > > Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. > > Alan > > > > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? > > B > > > > > On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave > > > On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. > > Garth > > -- > Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sun Mar 1 11:24:08 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 17:24:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese In-Reply-To: <003201d5efc7$d39008a0$7ab019e0$@theeccles.uk> References: <75F4E284-454A-4AA1-A881-F3A44C6326C2@me.com> <003201d5efc7$d39008a0$7ab019e0$@theeccles.uk> Message-ID: <805e652e-9b60-5aff-fc12-5ee0ce4d8d98@chriswoolf.co.uk> I'll second that - Wing (the Cornish Fishmonger) has excellent produce. There are one or two other suppliers down here who will pack ~really~ fresh day-boat fish properly and get it to you by courier. > Try? > > https://thecornishfishmonger.co.uk/shell-fish/all-shellfish-species > > for mail order Cornish shellfish. > > M. > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 01 March 2020 12:42 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc:* Bernard Newnham > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Cheese > > > The reason I asked about lobsters is that on very rare occasions we > pass a Lidl or Aldi (neither around here) and I've been tempted by the > cheap frozen Maine lobsters for ?5-6. Although I regard this as an > incredibly indulgent indugence I've found the very few I've eaten as > rather tasteless.? Then my wife bought a birthday present of a lobster > and a couple of crabs from Cornwall, sent FedEx overnight. The lobster > was actually tasty, though the crabs were a whole lot better. > > Now you can't get crabs from Cornwall. Does anyone know why, and is > there a black market such that a Cornwall based list member could get > me some? > > B > > > On 29/02/2020 17:46, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > O was a bit taken aback when served a lobster in Maine. I asked why they hadn?t also provided a selection of tools to crack open the shell. > > It was explained to me that they were soft shell lobsters and didn?t need anything other than strong fingers to open them up. > > Shame they call scones biscuits, but they?re lovely too. > > Alan > > On 29 Feb 2020, at 17:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Now - who's for a discussion on the relative merits of Maine or UK lobsters? > > B > > On 28/02/2020 23:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Oh dear, have I hit a raw nerve? I have never thought that eating cheese was the sign of an 'affluent lifestyle'! Bread and cheese was the staple diet for the poor many years ago! I was merely highlighting the profiteering of certain retail outlets, depending where you happen to live. Everyone has their favourite food and if you think someone else may enjoy it why not spread the news? Cheers, Dave > > On 28/02/2020 11:29, Garth Tucker via Tech1 wrote: > > Please, can we not use this website to let everyone know about our affluent life styles, I do not care who likes what cheese. > > Garth > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Sun Mar 1 12:29:18 2020 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 18:29:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Cheese Message-ID: <2E79081C-147E-4021-A783-4F054E43CB8B@me.com> Thanks for your moderation Bernie. I am in fact a cheeseaholic (sic) but I was caught on a bad day. 113 new emails arrived that morning and it was taking time eliminating those of no interest. It has occurred to me that I can always hit the delete button as soon as a particular word, such as cheese, is noticed. What I enjoy most on tech1 at tech-ops are emails concerned with broadcasting although I am less and less able to understand the more technical items. I suppose it's nostalgia for those University of Audio and Camera Operation chats that occurred in Crush Bars. Perhaps cheese was not the right subject to pick a fight on. However, I would still maintain the site is not entirely devoid of affluence boasting. I do know one one cameraman who achieved an OU degree who occasionally dropped his books on the studio floor when rehearsing, he had a ?Brickie' as a grandfather and an uncle who was a ?Bin? man. A regular contributor to this site might like to know they were both Bunces. All best wishes, Garth From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 1 15:03:36 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 21:03:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pickled onions Message-ID: <3049de5d-5cc7-ceab-dec3-b41e438e3fea@btinternet.com> As a follow-up to my contentious missive about cheese I was going to mention the necessary accompaniment to the said bread and cheese, pickled onions! During my STO Course in 1966 we escaped from the compound and drove into the darkness through Wyre Piddle along the Worcester road and turned right into the unknown and ended up at a country pub. They had 200 single-malt whiskys available and the landlord had three large tomes listing the 2000 odd Scottish malts, the 1500 Irish and another one for the New World's.? Their pickled onions were home-made and were the best I have ever tasted! The nearest I have found commercially are Garner's, although twice the price of the usual supermarket own-brands they are well worth it! Sorry, Garth! From techtone at protonmail.com Sun Mar 1 15:18:07 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2020 21:18:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lobster Message-ID: <611V4OsB03fsmP5fNaN1E95gvhTMNpg6JxcCAvJBiHlrchxIjhakpkhix2MyuT6w_-qLC82yOGt4bwsnXSVWzzkxLeOvBY0EqaqZ_keirQQ=@protonmail.com> Apologies to Garth, and whilst not intended as such, this could at first be construed as affluent, but didn't seem like it at the time, mainly because things were comparatively inexpensive. On my 25 year service reward, which I took as a month off and went up to the Highlands and Islands for a walking holiday, I eventually fetched up on Benbecula for three days. The b&b I stayed at didn't do an evening meal, but a short walk down the road brought me to the Dark Island Hotel. Having previously worked for over a week in Dundee on a Liberal Party conference and stayed at a family-run hotel in Broughty Ferry which had a wonderful sea food menu for evening meals (at least 15 different fish to choose from). I worked my way through that as best I could for 10 days, only time I'd wished a party conference could last longer. So, knowing how good seafood in Scottish hotels could be, I sampled some from the menu, absolutely delightful. At the end of my second night, on my way out, I stopped at the reception desk to compliment them on the sea food. There was a woman standing next to the desk who just happened to be the cook. 'Are you here tomorrow?' she asked, 'Yes, but sadly my last night,' I replied. 'And will you eat here?' 'Oh yes.' 'Do you like lobster?' Do I like lobster? It turns out she had invited some friends for a meal and was cooking fresh local lobster, and so I was included in the meal. Excellent is the only way to describe it. I had a huge portion of what was essentially fricassee of lobster, and I was truly stuffed. She came round to see how we were enjoying it, and of course we all made hugely complimentary comments. 'What do you want for dessert?' Collective groans, far too full, etc. "Come on,' she said to me, 'Surely you could manage something light?' 'OK, I'll just have a bit of ice cream.' 'And what sort of liqueur do you like?' 'Well seeing as how we're in Scotland I'll try Drambuie.' What was set in front of me a few minutes later? - a huge bowl containing ice cream with Drambuie poured over it, and double cream on top - I've no idea how I squeezed it in, but yumeeee! Which brings me to our holiday in N. Ireland last year, staying in Annalong in Co. Down, and going to our favourite eatery The Harbour Inn. Half a lobster, fresh off the boat landed in the harbour but a few feet from the front door, ?14.95 with veg. etc. which I washed down with draught Guinness. Sheer luxury. But how often do you get this sort of treat? Our next stop was over the border in Co. Clare, where the seafood pub but a few yards from our cottage served fresh lobster, at 40 Euros! No, I didn't indulge at that price! Sadly, these days the most affordable I can come up with locally in N. Wales is lobscouse. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The GPO man had already been interviewed on radio before we set out and he was equipped with one of those new-fangled things called mobile phones, the size of a brick! On the flight up north Trevor asked him a few question as requested by Sports Dept. We both rang home on this mobile but now realise that it would have captured huge areas of receiving points! Having arrived at Benbecula airport our passenger went and checked in for the race and Trevor an I managed to organise an army Landrover and driver to take us round the course (Benbecular was a NATO rocket base!). Anyway, a BA flight landed soon after us and then the airport cafe closed. We followed our man round the course shooting out the back of the Landrover and on a downhill section I got the driver to turn off the engine and free-wheel while I had my 416 pointing at the runner. All you heard was the patter of his feet and the baa-ing of the sheep in the field! Production were most impressed when they got the tapes back! The course went twice round Benbecula and the adjoining island. Having got enough material we went back to the airport and met the air-traffic controller lady and gave her and a friend a trip over the island in our plane, getting take-of permission was no problem! We then went back to her house where she made us a pack of sandwiches for the return flight! We dropped the GPO man back at Glasgow airport and he got? a scheduled flight back to London for the traditional pre-Marathon pasta dinner at the Royal Lancaster Hotel in London. We got back home late! What a day! (PS. He did finish, but didn't win!) On 01/03/2020 21:18, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > Apologies to Garth, and whilst not intended as such, this could at > first be construed as affluent, but didn't seem like it at the time, > mainly because things were comparatively inexpensive. > > On my 25 year service reward, which I took as a month off and went up > to the Highlands and Islands for a walking holiday, I eventually > fetched up on Benbecula for three days. The b&b I stayed at didn't do > an evening meal, but a short walk down the road brought me to the Dark > Island Hotel. Having previously worked for over a week in Dundee on a > Liberal Party conference and stayed at a family-run hotel in Broughty > Ferry which had a wonderful sea food menu for evening meals (at least > 15 different fish to choose from). I worked my way through that as > best I could for 10 days, only time I'd wished a party conference > could last longer. > > So, knowing how good seafood in Scottish hotels could be, I sampled > some from the menu, absolutely delightful. At the end of my second > night, on my way out, I stopped at the reception desk to compliment > them on the sea food. There was a woman standing next to the desk who > just happened to be the cook. 'Are you here tomorrow?' she asked, > 'Yes, but sadly my last night,' I replied. 'And will you eat here?' > 'Oh yes.' 'Do you like lobster?' Do I like lobster? It turns out she > had invited some friends for a meal and was cooking fresh local > lobster, and so I was included in the meal. Excellent is the only way > to describe it. I had a huge portion of what was essentially fricassee > of lobster, and I was truly stuffed. She came round to see how we were > enjoying it, and of course we all made hugely complimentary comments. > 'What do you want for dessert?' Collective groans, far too full, etc. > "Come on,' she said to me, 'Surely you could manage something light?' > 'OK, I'll just have a bit of ice cream.' 'And what sort of liqueur do > you like?' 'Well seeing as how we're in Scotland I'll try Drambuie.' > What was set in front of me a few minutes later? - a huge bowl > containing ice cream with Drambuie poured over it, and double cream on > top - I've no idea how I squeezed it in, but yumeeee! > > Which brings me to our holiday in N. Ireland last year, staying in > Annalong in Co. Down, and going to our favourite eatery The Harbour > Inn. Half a lobster, fresh off the boat landed in the harbour but a > few feet from the front door, ?14.95 with veg. etc. which I washed > down with draught Guinness. Sheer luxury. But how often do you get > this sort of treat? Our next stop was over the border in Co. Clare, > where the seafood pub but a few yards from our cottage served fresh > lobster, at 40 Euros! No, I didn't indulge at that price! > > Sadly, these days the most affordable I can come up with locally in N. > Wales is lobscouse. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 1 17:26:18 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 23:26:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Exploring Television Acting Message-ID: <61b3db88-3e93-b63c-d541-fd5bc17b636d@gmail.com> I did that thing - putting my own name into Google. My daughter has asked me to write down all the shows I ever worked on for some project she has. The Tech-Ops stuff is easy, as I have all the diaries, but other things were more difficult. I was trying to remember the series name of a documentary I'd worked on and I realised that I had mentioned it in a piece for the website.? I found it quickly by just typing my name. What then did came as a surprise is that my name came up in an entry about a book called "Exploring Television Acting" by Tom Cantrell and Christopher Hogg. I've never heard of it or them, but I'm quoted there, and so are others. Just the ebook costs ?20.34 - and I didn't ever get asked. Here's a typical passage. Taylor is Don Taylor,and I bet you never knew that you were involved in Friedberg's Epistemic Hegemony, whatever that is........ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sadly, it now seems to be a lost art-form, since BBC Plays decided they wanted to be BBC Films. Only the soaps are now shot in the as-live tradition, and they are churned out with excessive haste. Maybe one day, someone will write a history of that bygone art-form which developed from the necessities of live TV. luv, Rog. On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 23:26:48 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I did that thing - putting my own name into Google. My daughter has asked me to write down all the shows I ever worked on for some project she has. The Tech-Ops stuff is easy, as I have all the diaries, but other things were more difficult. I was trying to remember the series name of a documentary I'd worked on and I realised that I had mentioned it in a piece for the website.? I found it quickly by just typing my name. What then did came as a surprise is that my name came up in an entry about a book called "Exploring Television Acting" by Tom Cantrell and Christopher Hogg. I've never heard of it or them, but I'm quoted there, and so are others. Just the ebook costs ?20.34 - and I didn't ever get asked. Here's a typical passage. Taylor is Don Taylor,and I bet you never knew that you were involved in Friedberg's Epistemic Hegemony, whatever that is........ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: bkhilncmcidfkfao.png Type: image/png Size: 335235 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Mar 2 04:02:03 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 10:02:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Talking of affluent living! Message-ID: <0CA32066-5012-49EA-9EF8-7A1AF526BDF9@btinternet.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But their details on my career rather sparse as you'd expect, since I've never worked on films. -- *Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 04:52:19 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 10:52:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Talking of affluent living! In-Reply-To: <0CA32066-5012-49EA-9EF8-7A1AF526BDF9@btinternet.com> References: <0CA32066-5012-49EA-9EF8-7A1AF526BDF9@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4d756034-db9a-8dbb-f189-c669e9451f32@gmail.com> That looks a lot like politics, which is banned. B On 02/03/2020 10:02, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It allows an intimacy between > camerawork and performance which is quite distinct from anything that > can be experienced either in live theatre or shot-at-a-time film > making. While we rude mechanicals have always been aware of this, it > is nice to know that someone has recognised it on an intellectual > level (even if I can't understand what they are saying)! > > Sadly, it now seems to be a lost art-form, since BBC Plays decided > they wanted to be BBC Films. Only the soaps are now shot in the > as-live tradition, and they are churned out with excessive haste. > Maybe one day, someone will write a history of that bygone art-form > which developed from the necessities of live TV. > > luv, Rog. > > On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 23:26:48 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I did that thing - putting my own name into Google. > > My daughter has asked me to write down all the shows I ever worked on > for some project she has. The Tech-Ops stuff is easy, as I have all > the diaries, but other things were more difficult. I was trying to > remember the series name of a documentary I'd worked on and I realised > that I had mentioned it in a piece for the website.? I found it > quickly by just typing my name. > > What then did came as a surprise is that my name came up in an entry > about a book called "Exploring Television Acting" by Tom Cantrell and > Christopher Hogg. I've never heard of it or them, but I'm quoted > there, and so are others. Just the ebook costs ?20.34 - and I didn't > ever get asked. > > Here's a typical passage. Taylor is Don Taylor,and I bet you never > knew that you were involved in Friedberg's Epistemic Hegemony, > whatever that is........ > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Mar 2 08:11:40 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 14:11:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com> References: <611V4OsB03fsmP5fNaN1E95gvhTMNpg6JxcCAvJBiHlrchxIjhakpkhix2MyuT6w_-qLC82yOGt4bwsnXSVWzzkxLeOvBY0EqaqZ_keirQQ=@protonmail.com> <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Well, as it happens, whilst I was there, there were also some MOD chaps staying in the b&b. We got to talking over breakfast, and having found out my BBC background they asked delightedly, 'You'll have signed the Official Secrets Act then, won't you?' Having confirmed that I had, they proceeded to tell me at great length and in some detail that they were engaged in installing phase array radar somewhere in the vicinity, and attempted at the same time to educate me on how it worked. To say your secrets are safe with me is an understatement! It was a bit like my STO course where I manfully struggled to understand how the broadcast tv signal was adapted to carry colour information (PAL). An engineer spent some time on this, and when he'd finished I was fairly confident I'd got a good idea of how it worked. But then he said, of course that's not how it's done because........well, I didn't fully follow the ins and outs of the practical problems that had to be overcome with a series of fudge factors, and ended up with only a vague idea of how the system worked, and a page full of indecipherable notes. But then he said, but of course that's not it's really done because we also have to take into account...........but I'd glazed over and switched off at this point. Had he started with how it really was done, and worked backwards to show what had to be taken into account to achieve the result, then there MAY have been a chance for me, but as it was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Mar 2 08:44:12 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:44:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: <611V4OsB03fsmP5fNaN1E95gvhTMNpg6JxcCAvJBiHlrchxIjhakpkhix2MyuT6w_-qLC82yOGt4bwsnXSVWzzkxLeOvBY0EqaqZ_keirQQ=@protonmail.com> <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com>, Message-ID: > was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). > > TeaTeaFN - Tony Now there?s a question! There were lots of pubs in Evesham, and on many an evening a group of us tried to down a half in all of them. Half, because there were far too many pubs to make it pints). Then we?d aim to get back to the club in time for the bus back to WN. Inevitably, there was an occasion on a very dark December night when we missed the bus and had to walk back in heavy snowfall - so heavy it was hard to see where the road was. So, eventually, frozen through, we made it back to WN - except that we found that there were two of our number missing! Apparently, fallen into a ditch somewhere, we were later told. Nothing unusual, I don?t suppose. Couldn?t possibly disclose the names! Happy days! Nick. (The other one). Sent from my iPad mini 5 From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 09:13:27 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 15:13:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: <611V4OsB03fsmP5fNaN1E95gvhTMNpg6JxcCAvJBiHlrchxIjhakpkhix2MyuT6w_-qLC82yOGt4bwsnXSVWzzkxLeOvBY0EqaqZ_keirQQ=@protonmail.com> <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Did we sign the Official Secrets Act? I don't remember doing it. Making a doc about bomb disposal men, we were on a disused airfield "somewhere in England" (Debden), where we were going to film a demo of one of those robot things? that shoots home made bombs. I had my camera in my hand as we rode on the back of a truck across the airfield passing various demos of other stuff. " You can't see that", "You can't see that", they told us. Very trusting! B On 02/03/2020 14:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > Well, as it happens, whilst I was there, there were also some MOD > chaps staying in the b&b. We got to talking over breakfast, and having > found out my BBC background they asked delightedly, 'You'll have > signed the Official Secrets Act then, won't you?' Having confirmed > that I had, they proceeded to tell me at great length and in some > detail that they were engaged in installing phase array radar > somewhere in the vicinity, and attempted at the same time to educate > me on how it worked. To say your secrets are safe with me is an > understatement! > > It was a bit like my STO course where I manfully struggled to > understand how the broadcast tv signal was adapted to carry colour > information (PAL). An engineer spent some time on this, and when he'd > finished I was fairly confident I'd got a good idea of how it worked. > But then he said, of course that's not how it's done > because........well, I didn't fully follow the ?ins and outs of the > practical problems that had to be overcome with a series of fudge > factors, and ended up with only a vague idea of how the system worked, > and a page full of indecipherable notes. But then he said, but of > course that's not it's really done because we also have to take into > account...........but I'd glazed over and switched off at this point. > Had he started with how it really was done, and worked backwards to > show what had to be taken into account to achieve the result, then > there MAY have been a chance for me, but as it was...........off to > Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of > the pub?). > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Mar 2 09:52:07 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:52:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <584afe773bdave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > Did we sign the Official Secrets Act? I don't remember doing it. Does it has a time limit? Or can we expect Tony to be arrested for giving out restricted details? ;-) -- *If work is so terrific, how come they have to pay you to do it? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Mar 2 10:10:24 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 16:10:24 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Material In-Reply-To: <2088537549.4912165.1583162769546@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2088537549.4912165.1583162769546.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088537549.4912165.1583162769546@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <550D97E58C93421290E32EDABF0108F2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Hi Roger, Re the lunchtime canteen shot at TC. I think on the table bottom left we have Ian Tomlin and Ron Sproston among others. A big thank you (I?m sure on behalf of everyone) for such a sterling effort. Best wishes, Dave Newbitt. From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:26 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] New Material Hi All, With a lot of help from Bernie, I've added a new Page/Post/Whatever-it's-called to the Tech Ops site. You'll find it here - Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Some of the stuff has appeared before. If anyone spots any errors, typos or factual, or if anyone can gives names to the unidentified characters or equipment, please let me know. I'm hoping to add a lot more to it in the future, but have been brought to a temporary halt, due to technical difficulties! luv, Rog. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 2 10:48:11 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 16:48:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <535EDF5E-43DD-44D3-9961-2BD51A16FDE2@me.com> I did a shoot within a very sensitive part of the Aldermaston nuclear research establishment. We were accompanied at all times by an MOD policeman ( aka MODplod ) and it was a very strict rule that we must not be able to record anything when moving between shooting areas. To make sure we didn?t, the MODplod insisted that either all batteries or tapes must be removed from the camera and left with him to carry around. Our particular guy had done a number of such shoots and wasn?t at all surprised when we opted for him to carry the extremely heavy box of batteries rather than the nice light box of tapes. I?ve done quite a lot of shoots on military sites and the security restrictions are second nature to me. I?m surprised at how often I?ve had to remind a senior officer that he must conceal his ID pass when we interview him or that when shooting wide angle establishing shots, that we mustn?t show any aerials ( because the dimensions reveal the frequencies used ). Alan Taylor > On 2 Mar 2020, at 15:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Did we sign the Official Secrets Act? I don't remember doing it. > > Making a doc about bomb disposal men, we were on a disused airfield "somewhere in England" (Debden), where we were going to film a demo of one of those robot things that shoots home made bombs. I had my camera in my hand as we rode on the back of a truck across the airfield passing various demos of other stuff. " You can't see that", "You can't see that", they told us. Very trusting! > > B > > > > On 02/03/2020 14:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> Well, as it happens, whilst I was there, there were also some MOD chaps staying in the b&b. We got to talking over breakfast, and having found out my BBC background they asked delightedly, 'You'll have signed the Official Secrets Act then, won't you?' Having confirmed that I had, they proceeded to tell me at great length and in some detail that they were engaged in installing phase array radar somewhere in the vicinity, and attempted at the same time to educate me on how it worked. To say your secrets are safe with me is an understatement! >> >> It was a bit like my STO course where I manfully struggled to understand how the broadcast tv signal was adapted to carry colour information (PAL). An engineer spent some time on this, and when he'd finished I was fairly confident I'd got a good idea of how it worked. But then he said, of course that's not how it's done because........well, I didn't fully follow the ins and outs of the practical problems that had to be overcome with a series of fudge factors, and ended up with only a vague idea of how the system worked, and a page full of indecipherable notes. But then he said, but of course that's not it's really done because we also have to take into account...........but I'd glazed over and switched off at this point. Had he started with how it really was done, and worked backwards to show what had to be taken into account to achieve the result, then there MAY have been a chance for me, but as it was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at theeccles.uk Mon Mar 2 10:52:35 2020 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 16:52:35 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: <611V4OsB03fsmP5fNaN1E95gvhTMNpg6JxcCAvJBiHlrchxIjhakpkhix2MyuT6w_-qLC82yOGt4bwsnXSVWzzkxLeOvBY0EqaqZ_keirQQ=@protonmail.com> <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <00a801d5f0b2$f9c09350$ed41b9f0$@theeccles.uk> Do you have to sign the Official Secrets Act to be bound by it? It is not necessary for a person to have signed the Official Secrets Act in order to be bound by it. The 1989 Act states that a person can be "notified" that he or she is bound by it; and Government employees will usually be informed via their contract of employment if they must observe the Act. How long is a person bound by the Official Secrets Act? There is no specified duration under which a person is bound by the Official Secrets Act. However, the length of time between an unauthorised disclosure and the event or situation it relates to may be a factor in the Attorney General's decision to prosecute someone under the Official Secrets Act 1989. M From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 02 March 2020 15:13 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Benbecula Did we sign the Official Secrets Act? I don't remember doing it. Making a doc about bomb disposal men, we were on a disused airfield "somewhere in England" (Debden), where we were going to film a demo of one of those robot things that shoots home made bombs. I had my camera in my hand as we rode on the back of a truck across the airfield passing various demos of other stuff. " You can't see that", "You can't see that", they told us. Very trusting! B On 02/03/2020 14:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote: Well, as it happens, whilst I was there, there were also some MOD chaps staying in the b&b. We got to talking over breakfast, and having found out my BBC background they asked delightedly, 'You'll have signed the Official Secrets Act then, won't you?' Having confirmed that I had, they proceeded to tell me at great length and in some detail that they were engaged in installing phase array radar somewhere in the vicinity, and attempted at the same time to educate me on how it worked. To say your secrets are safe with me is an understatement! It was a bit like my STO course where I manfully struggled to understand how the broadcast tv signal was adapted to carry colour information (PAL). An engineer spent some time on this, and when he'd finished I was fairly confident I'd got a good idea of how it worked. But then he said, of course that's not how it's done because........well, I didn't fully follow the ins and outs of the practical problems that had to be overcome with a series of fudge factors, and ended up with only a vague idea of how the system worked, and a page full of indecipherable notes. But then he said, but of course that's not it's really done because we also have to take into account...........but I'd glazed over and switched off at this point. Had he started with how it really was done, and worked backwards to show what had to be taken into account to achieve the result, then there MAY have been a chance for me, but as it was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll find it here -?Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Some of the stuff has appeared before. If anyone spots any errors, typos or factual, or if anyone can gives names to the unidentified characters or equipment, please let me know. I'm hoping to add a lot more to it in the future, but have been brought to a temporary halt, due to technical difficulties! luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: E9FA119B4BA547E4B73259CF2A2BBF21.png Type: image/png Size: 1491 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D8524AEC11E64FC591B5425C4FBC761E.png Type: image/png Size: 1650 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You'll find it here - Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Some of the stuff has appeared before. If anyone spots any errors, typos or factual, or if anyone can gives names to the unidentified characters or equipment, please let me know. I'm hoping to add a lot more to it in the future, but have been brought to a temporary halt, due to technical difficulties! luv, Rog. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 12:33:02 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:33:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: <611V4OsB03fsmP5fNaN1E95gvhTMNpg6JxcCAvJBiHlrchxIjhakpkhix2MyuT6w_-qLC82yOGt4bwsnXSVWzzkxLeOvBY0EqaqZ_keirQQ=@protonmail.com> <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Evesham pubs I can recall from my TO19 day sin1964 are the Coach and Horses, the Northwick Arms, the Old Red House, and the Royal Oak. Furthertafield therewsas the Bulls Head atWootten Wawen, the Castle Inn at Edgehill, theSun andtheSwan at Broadway, and one ontheriver at Wyre Piddle. Geoff F. > On 2 Mar 2020, at 14:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > >> was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony > > Now there?s a question! There were lots of pubs in Evesham, and on many an evening a group of us tried to down a half in all of them. Half, because there were far too many pubs to make it pints). Then we?d aim to get back to the club in time for the bus back to WN. > Inevitably, there was an occasion on a very dark December night when we missed the bus and had to walk back in heavy snowfall - so heavy it was hard to see where the road was. > So, eventually, frozen through, we made it back to WN - except that we found that there were two of our number missing! Apparently, fallen into a ditch somewhere, we were later told. Nothing unusual, I don?t suppose. Couldn?t possibly disclose the names! > Happy days! > Nick. (The other one). > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Mar 2 12:54:50 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 18:54:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: <611V4OsB03fsmP5fNaN1E95gvhTMNpg6JxcCAvJBiHlrchxIjhakpkhix2MyuT6w_-qLC82yOGt4bwsnXSVWzzkxLeOvBY0EqaqZ_keirQQ=@protonmail.com> <8122b4cf-5a09-2855-cd06-0ce3ca562b4e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: And the Emley Castle, notorious for its scrumpy and a barmaid who was the centre spread in Mayfair! ? Graeme Wall > On 2 Mar 2020, at 18:33, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > Evesham pubs I can recall from my TO19 day sin1964 are the Coach and Horses, the Northwick Arms, the Old Red House, and the Royal Oak. Furthertafield therewsas the Bulls Head atWootten Wawen, the Castle Inn at Edgehill, theSun andtheSwan at Broadway, and one ontheriver at Wyre Piddle. > > Geoff F. > >> On 2 Mar 2020, at 14:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> Now there?s a question! There were lots of pubs in Evesham, and on many an evening a group of us tried to down a half in all of them. Half, because there were far too many pubs to make it pints). Then we?d aim to get back to the club in time for the bus back to WN. >> Inevitably, there was an occasion on a very dark December night when we missed the bus and had to walk back in heavy snowfall - so heavy it was hard to see where the road was. >> So, eventually, frozen through, we made it back to WN - except that we found that there were two of our number missing! Apparently, fallen into a ditch somewhere, we were later told. Nothing unusual, I don?t suppose. Couldn?t possibly disclose the names! >> Happy days! >> Nick. (The other one). >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Mon Mar 2 14:26:33 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 20:26:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Exploring Television Acting In-Reply-To: <4748eacb-9ac9-4da5-71db-a087c8676b10@gmail.com> References: <4748eacb-9ac9-4da5-71db-a087c8676b10@gmail.com> Message-ID: <97F8B8AE-10CB-4DFA-9897-5E2164365A14@zero51.force9.co.uk> They probably took a look at our website and decided that our banter was very eclectic but too abstruse for them.... orbit, cathode potential stabilised, Cornish Yarg and so on, and thought it best just to write what they had already decided. Nevertheless, Like R Bunce esq, I thought from long ago that our medium was a unique blend of theatre and technology that, thanks to our efforts to be transparent (when required) while being an essential part of the proceedings was largely unnappreciated and yet was actually a unique and ?new? art form in its own write. And now, sadly, apart from the odd pocket of resistance, largely historical. Peter Fox > On 2 Mar 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I've spent a while trying to get a good OCR'ed result from the pages, but it's actually easier to go here to read the Google excerpts preview - > > https://bit.ly/3aeAkYW > > I can't decide whether I feel like contacting some of these academics and asking why they didn't actually make contact with us. > > B > > > >> On 02/03/2020 09:40, ROGER BUNCE wrote: >> While not pretending to understand the poncey terminology - there does seem to be a recognition here that live, or as-live, television drama, is a art-form in its own right. It allows an intimacy between camerawork and performance which is quite distinct from anything that can be experienced either in live theatre or shot-at-a-time film making. While we rude mechanicals have always been aware of this, it is nice to know that someone has recognised it on an intellectual level (even if I can't understand what they are saying)! >> >> Sadly, it now seems to be a lost art-form, since BBC Plays decided they wanted to be BBC Films. Only the soaps are now shot in the as-live tradition, and they are churned out with excessive haste. Maybe one day, someone will write a history of that bygone art-form which developed from the necessities of live TV. >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 23:26:48 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> I did that thing - putting my own name into Google. >> >> My daughter has asked me to write down all the shows I ever worked on for some project she has. The Tech-Ops stuff is easy, as I have all the diaries, but other things were more difficult. I was trying to remember the series name of a documentary I'd worked on and I realised that I had mentioned it in a piece for the website. I found it quickly by just typing my name. >> >> What then did came as a surprise is that my name came up in an entry about a book called "Exploring Television Acting" by Tom Cantrell and Christopher Hogg. I've never heard of it or them, but I'm quoted there, and so are others. Just the ebook costs ?20.34 - and I didn't ever get asked. >> >> Here's a typical passage. Taylor is Don Taylor,and I bet you never knew that you were involved in Friedberg's Epistemic Hegemony, whatever that is........ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 2 14:39:42 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 20:39:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Benbecula In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1EB14921-9F04-4633-98A9-F3267FA92BED@me.com> The pub by the river at Wyre Piddle is The Anchor. I have many fond memories of it. I?m intrigued that you ventured as far as the Castle at Edgehill, it?s quite local to me ( < 5 miles ) and I would imagine it must have been something like a 45 min drive from Wood Norton. Like the Anchor, the Castle has become somewhat gentrified these days and might not be anything like you remember it. Alan Taylor > On 2 Mar 2020, at 18:33, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Evesham pubs I can recall from my TO19 day sin1964 are the Coach and Horses, the Northwick Arms, the Old Red House, and the Royal Oak. Furthertafield therewsas the Bulls Head atWootten Wawen, the Castle Inn at Edgehill, theSun andtheSwan at Broadway, and one ontheriver at Wyre Piddle. > > Geoff F. > >>> On 2 Mar 2020, at 14:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> Now there?s a question! There were lots of pubs in Evesham, and on many an evening a group of us tried to down a half in all of them. Half, because there were far too many pubs to make it pints). Then we?d aim to get back to the club in time for the bus back to WN. >> Inevitably, there was an occasion on a very dark December night when we missed the bus and had to walk back in heavy snowfall - so heavy it was hard to see where the road was. >> So, eventually, frozen through, we made it back to WN - except that we found that there were two of our number missing! Apparently, fallen into a ditch somewhere, we were later told. Nothing unusual, I don?t suppose. Couldn?t possibly disclose the names! >> Happy days! >> Nick. (The other one). >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Mar 2 15:20:07 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 21:20:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Royal Oak Evesham Message-ID: OK, I weakened and used our good friend Google for the street map, and yes Helen's pub was the Royal Oak. She was an amazing owner/manager? The majority of our STO course went there every night and managed 5 or six pints a night (after a couple of weeks of this Guinness extravagance, I was well out of pocket). Anyhow, as you might imagine, as soon as we heard 'Last Orders' we raced up to get another round in. Then one Thursday night, we were sitting there about 1130 and I noticed a man approach the bar and get some more drinks! 'Hey, guess what I think I've just seen,' I said to the rest of them. 'Go on then Tone, give it a whirl'. So I went up to Helen and asked, 'Any chance of another?' 'OK lads, if you're quick,' was the reply. Well, it was if we were quick till at least 1.30, by which time we were stoney broke, fully inebriated and far from quick. Then eight or nine of us (yes, I have got that number right) piled into Charlie Ringland's Morris Oxford (think that was the car) and actually managed to get back to WN without incident. Isn't old age cruel, now that I could probably afford several pints of Guinness, I can't manage more than one. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Mar 2 15:37:46 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 21:37:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Exploring Television Acting In-Reply-To: <97F8B8AE-10CB-4DFA-9897-5E2164365A14@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <4748eacb-9ac9-4da5-71db-a087c8676b10@gmail.com> <97F8B8AE-10CB-4DFA-9897-5E2164365A14@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: Interestingly, that encapsulates what I say during my talk on 'The Visual Language and Grammar of Television'. I start by saying that I started my career as a cameraman which is a misnomer. We should have been called 'lensmen', since it's the position of the lens in space and its angle of view which determines the shot. Then basically the language and grammar is a combination of photography and cinematic framing and composition, then combining each resulting shot, together with the associated recording techniques developed through gramophone and subsequent radio requirements, utilising artists with the necessary live theatre/music hall experience to perform in front of camera, to a predetermined script and time limit which is (OK was) broadcast live. Yes, I expand on all that, but hey, life's too short for any more of my reminiscences just now (brought to you courtesy of the bad weather preventing me being able to get a real life!). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Monday, 2 March 2020, 20:27:08 GMT, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: They probably took a look at our website and decided that our banter was very eclectic but too abstruse for them.... orbit, cathode potential stabilised, ?Cornish Yarg and so on, and thought it best just to write what they had already decided.?Nevertheless, Like R Bunce esq, I thought from long ago that our medium was a unique blend of theatre and technology that, thanks to our efforts to be transparent (when required) while being an essential part of the proceedings was largely unnappreciated and yet was actually a unique and ?new? art form in its own write. ?And now, sadly, apart from the odd pocket of resistance, largely historical.? Peter Fox On 2 Mar 2020, at 12:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? I've spent a while trying to get a good OCR'ed result from the pages, but it's actually easier to go here to read the Google excerpts preview - https://bit.ly/3aeAkYW I can't decide whether I feel like contacting some of these academics and asking why they didn't actually make contact with us. B ? On 02/03/2020 09:40, ROGER BUNCE wrote: While not pretending to understand the poncey terminology - there does seem to be a recognition here that live, or as-live, television drama, is a art-form in its own right. It allows an intimacy between camerawork and performance which is quite distinct from anything that can be experienced either in live theatre or shot-at-a-time film making. While we rude mechanicals have always been aware of this, it is nice to know that someone has recognised it on an intellectual level (even if I can't understand what they are saying)! Sadly, it now seems to be a lost art-form, since BBC Plays decided they wanted to be BBC Films. Only the soaps are now shot in the as-live tradition, and they are churned out with excessive haste. Maybe one day, someone will write a history of that bygone art-form which developed from the necessities of live TV. luv, Rog. On Sunday, 1 March 2020, 23:26:48 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I did that thing - putting my own name into Google. My daughter has asked me to write down all the shows I ever worked on for some project she has. The Tech-Ops stuff is easy, as I have all the diaries, but other things were more difficult. I was trying to remember the series name of a documentary I'd worked on and I realised that I had mentioned it in a piece for the website.? I found it quickly by just typing my name. What then did came as a surprise is that my name came up in an entry about a book called "Exploring Television Acting" by Tom Cantrell and Christopher Hogg. I've never heard of it or them, but I'm quoted there, and so are others. Just the ebook costs ?20.34 - and I didn't ever get asked. Here's a typical passage. Taylor is Don Taylor,and I bet you never knew that you were involved in Friedberg's Epistemic Hegemony, whatever that is........ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, the length of time between an unauthorised disclosure and the event or situation it relates to may be a factor in the Attorney General's decision to prosecute someone under the Official Secrets Act 1989. We all started under the 1939 then the 1989 Acts. M. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 02 March 2020 15:13 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Benbecula Did we sign the Official Secrets Act? I don't remember doing it. Making a doc about bomb disposal men, we were on a disused airfield "somewhere in England" (Debden), where we were going to film a demo of one of those robot things that shoots home made bombs. I had my camera in my hand as we rode on the back of a truck across the airfield passing various demos of other stuff. " You can't see that", "You can't see that", they told us. Very trusting! B On 02/03/2020 14:11, techtone via Tech1 wrote: Well, as it happens, whilst I was there, there were also some MOD chaps staying in the b&b. We got to talking over breakfast, and having found out my BBC background they asked delightedly, 'You'll have signed the Official Secrets Act then, won't you?' Having confirmed that I had, they proceeded to tell me at great length and in some detail that they were engaged in installing phase array radar somewhere in the vicinity, and attempted at the same time to educate me on how it worked. To say your secrets are safe with me is an understatement! It was a bit like my STO course where I manfully struggled to understand how the broadcast tv signal was adapted to carry colour information (PAL). An engineer spent some time on this, and when he'd finished I was fairly confident I'd got a good idea of how it worked. But then he said, of course that's not how it's done because........well, I didn't fully follow the ins and outs of the practical problems that had to be overcome with a series of fudge factors, and ended up with only a vague idea of how the system worked, and a page full of indecipherable notes. But then he said, but of course that's not it's really done because we also have to take into account...........but I'd glazed over and switched off at this point. Had he started with how it really was done, and worked backwards to show what had to be taken into account to achieve the result, then there MAY have been a chance for me, but as it was...........off to Helen Holden's pub in Evesham for a few pints (what was the name of the pub?). TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Tue Mar 3 02:53:15 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 08:53:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Material In-Reply-To: <2088537549.4912165.1583162769546@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2088537549.4912165.1583162769546.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <2088537549.4912165.1583162769546@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great stuff; looking forward to the next episode. 2 thoughts; John Hayes (RIP) should be John Hays, and the style of the mole cameraman on the B + W Minstrel show immediately struck me as Mark Lewis, 'tho the hair didn't look right.? A higher def. piccie could help. It's that first glimpse of souls from long ago that triggers the memory bank; as with a sight of 'Potts', the man who rightly or wrongly chanced his arm to say of me, 'let's take him in'. Hugh On 02-Mar-20 3:26 PM, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Hi All, > > With a lot of help from Bernie, I've added a new > Page/Post/Whatever-it's-called to the Tech Ops site. > You'll find it here - Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The > Tech-ops History Site > > > > > > > > > > Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site > > > > Some of the stuff has appeared before. If anyone spots any errors, > typos or factual, or if anyone can gives names to the unidentified > characters or equipment, please let me know. > I'm hoping to add a lot more to it in the future, but have been > brought to a temporary halt, due to technical difficulties! > > luv, Rog. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Mar 3 03:53:38 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 09:53:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Bring back vinyl? Message-ID: <6FAA871454BB4C08B6998040D9D943BF@Gigabyte> One from a group (Apple Logic Pro X users group!!!!) via facebook https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-01/abc-audio-engineer-adrian-sardi-debunking-the/12007732?nw=0&pfmredir=sm Quite fun and he is actually still pressing (cutting) discs for friends. I keep meaning to sell most of my heap of LPs from under the stairs to one of the record shops that still exist in Berwick Street (lacking the good old market space mainly and being filled with a huge new parade of shops and flats) and one in Fulham Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 3 05:22:46 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:22:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Exploring Television Acting Message-ID: Gentlemen, Good Morning I typed my name into Google the other day, looking for a reference in an article I wrote some years ago. There was more of me than I expected, and on page 2 I found a Google Books rip-off of your book Exploring Television Acting.? It only has a few pages, which happen to includes a quote from me.? I don't mind that at all, but looking at what text I could, I saw that I seemed to be the only ex-Tech-Ops person quoted. Much of the sections seemed to be material from Herbie Wise and others. Though we all had huge respect for Herbie, he was a freelance director, and studio crews had a lot of other bookings. On Jim Atkinson's crew 5, where we were on big dramas most weeks, I followed Jim around, paging his camera cable,? on Much Ado About Nothing, Romeo and Juliet, The Bloodknot, Eugene Onegin and a good few others. Herbie was a fairly rare visitor - and directed none of those -? so although his perceptions of us, and Jim especially, are of course very valid, they aren't all accurate, and he possibly gives himself rather more credit for his part in our lives than is correct.? Jim didn't "break the panning handle" for instance. In fact others on the crew were the leaders in the short upward panning handle method of operation. And I doubt Herbie had much influence on Jim's promotion either, life wasn't like that. Though Jim is long gone, and so, recently, is Rod Taylor, his number two for some years, lots of us are still around. I run an email list of several hundred ex BBC Television Centre camera and sound people. We've seen this before - not having anyone ask us - so when I sent the link, the general reaction was somewhat cynical.? The Tech-Ops website, from where you got my quote, is a reaction to being ignored generally, a chance to tell our stories. When I'm gone, I imagine it will just disappear, like us. One thing we really, really want to know.? What on earth is Friedberg's Epistemic Hegemony?? 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I don't mind that at all, but looking at what text I could, I saw that I seemed to be the only ex-Tech-Ops person quoted. > > Much of the sections seemed to be material from Herbie Wise and others. Though we all had huge respect for Herbie, he was a freelance director, and studio crews had a lot of other bookings. On Jim Atkinson's crew 5, where we were on big dramas most weeks, I followed Jim around, paging his camera cable, on Much Ado About Nothing, Romeo and Juliet, The Bloodknot, Eugene Onegin and a good few others. Herbie was a fairly rare visitor - and directed none of those - so although his perceptions of us, and Jim especially, are of course very valid, they aren't all accurate, and he possibly gives himself rather more credit for his part in our lives than is correct. Jim didn't "break the panning handle" for instance. In fact others on the crew were the leaders in the short upward panning handle method of operation. And I doubt Herbie had much influence on Jim's promotion either, life wasn't like that. > > Though Jim is long gone, and so, recently, is Rod Taylor, his number two for some years, lots of us are still around. I run an email list of several hundred ex BBC Television Centre camera and sound people. We've seen this before - not having anyone ask us - so when I sent the link, the general reaction was somewhat cynical. The Tech-Ops website, from where you got my quote, is a reaction to being ignored generally, a chance to tell our stories. When I'm gone, I imagine it will just disappear, like us. > > One thing we really, really want to know. What on earth is Friedberg's Epistemic Hegemony? It didn't ever get a mention in the Blue Tea Bar, or in the canteen before a live transmission. > > regards > > Bernard Newnham > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Tue Mar 3 06:03:33 2020 From: david.jasma at sky.com (David Buckley) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:03:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] I didn't know that Bernie was standing in the US election? References: <737169913.5592208.1583237013864.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <737169913.5592208.1583237013864@mail.yahoo.com> Oops, wrong Bernie! The attached photo is on the BBCs news website at the moment!! Dave Buckley -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, the way people gain knowledge through observation, and the way that observation and knowledge can be deceived by devious cameramen, etc. is of relevance. Looks like we may have to plead guilty to wilful and pre-meditated epistemology! luv, Rog. On Tuesday, 3 March 2020, 11:30:49 GMT, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: zzzzzzz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistemology On 3 Mar 2020, at 11:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Gentlemen, Good Morning I typed my name into Google the other day, looking for a reference in an article I wrote some years ago. There was more of me than I expected, and on page 2 I found a Google Books rip-off of your book Exploring Television Acting.? It only has a few pages, which happen to includes a quote from me.? I don't mind that at all, but looking at what text I could, I saw that I seemed to be the only ex-Tech-Ops person quoted. Much of the sections seemed to be material from Herbie Wise and others. Though we all had huge respect for Herbie, he was a freelance director, and studio crews had a lot of other bookings. On Jim Atkinson's crew 5, where we were on big dramas most weeks, I followed Jim around, paging his camera cable,? on Much Ado About Nothing, Romeo and Juliet, The Bloodknot, Eugene Onegin and a good few others. Herbie was a fairly rare visitor - and directed none of those -? so although his perceptions of us, and Jim especially, are of course very valid, they aren't all accurate, and he possibly gives himself rather more credit for his part in our lives than is correct.? Jim didn't "break the panning handle" for instance. In fact others on the crew were the leaders in the short upward panning handle method of operation. And I doubt Herbie had much influence on Jim's promotion either, life wasn't like that. Though Jim is long gone, and so, recently, is Rod Taylor, his number two for some years, lots of us are still around. 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It's that first glimpse of souls from long ago that triggers the memory bank; as with a sight of 'Potts', the man who rightly or wrongly chanced his arm to say of me, 'let's take him in'. Hugh On 02-Mar-20 3:26 PM, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Hi All, With a lot of help from Bernie, I've added a new Page/Post/Whatever-it's-called to the Tech Ops site. You'll find it here - Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Some of the stuff has appeared before. If anyone spots any errors, typos or factual, or if anyone can gives names to the unidentified characters or equipment, please let me know. I'm hoping to add a lot more to it in the future, but have been brought to a temporary halt, due to technical difficulties! luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.prior at talktalk.net Tue Mar 3 19:16:14 2020 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 01:16:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] New Material Message-ID: <741374189.434197.1583284574714@apps.talktalk.co.uk> That's me in the bottom left of the picture in the canteen with I think Richard Davies next to Ian. Very early 1971 I think as Ron is missing from my copy of the crew list before April. Doug Prior -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Mar 4 06:54:48 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:54:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls Message-ID: <6OQ_ihccTNef4gVPoE6L6MC0Cfy_iG6tvYUvi_rGUeW3ZBV-OQBdX3pMXX0S5mJPL-mXK9lgU2rv1QOia4sGR_qBp92SI7svnzErhCuJ9aQ=@protonmail.com> I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom in). Fascinating. 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Name: Screenshot_20200303-144218.png Type: image/png Size: 547073 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Mar 4 07:28:22 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:28:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls In-Reply-To: <6OQ_ihccTNef4gVPoE6L6MC0Cfy_iG6tvYUvi_rGUeW3ZBV-OQBdX3pMXX0S5mJPL-mXK9lgU2rv1QOia4sGR_qBp92SI7svnzErhCuJ9aQ=@protonmail.com> References: <6OQ_ihccTNef4gVPoE6L6MC0Cfy_iG6tvYUvi_rGUeW3ZBV-OQBdX3pMXX0S5mJPL-mXK9lgU2rv1QOia4sGR_qBp92SI7svnzErhCuJ9aQ=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <242744be-7faa-6d32-74e6-f867a6946c16@chriswoolf.co.uk> Excellent example of how low resolution our colour reception is, and how our brains try ever-so-hard to construct something they want to see from limited information. Chris Woolf On 04/03/2020 12:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom > in). Fascinating. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Wed Mar 4 08:40:28 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 14:40:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Material Message-ID: ?Fascinating stuff, Roger. Not being nit-picky, but I spotted Vinten spelt Vintern in a couple of places. Curiously, my iPad wanted to spell it that way too, so I?m sure we can safely lay the blame there! I?m impressed that people are able to recognise and name old friends from such fuzzy images, and often rear views. I think Trish Phillips was with Portaprompt, by the way, not Autocue. I have a fond memory of flying from Northolt in a military aircraft with Trish, to Rheindahlen where her dad was a very senior RAF officer, Air Vice-Marshall if I remember right. I shall never forget watching Vulcan aircraft doing impressive low passes, standing right by the runway. As a C- gram op I think her dad saw me as a mere oik, and I was dumped soon after! Hot pants - I think they were at their height of popularity around that time, though it?s probably a bit risky to comment now. It all seems so long ago, but some things stay with you forever! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 2 Mar 2020, at 15:27, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi All, With a lot of help from Bernie, I've added a new Page/Post/Whatever-it's-called to the Tech Ops site. You'll find it here - Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Roger Bunce?s Behind the Scenes Glimpses | The Tech-ops History Site Some of the stuff has appeared before. If anyone spots any errors, typos or factual, or if anyone can gives names to the unidentified characters or equipment, please let me know. I'm hoping to add a lot more to it in the future, but have been brought to a temporary halt, due to technical difficulties! luv, Rog. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 08:58:04 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 14:58:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception In-Reply-To: <242744be-7faa-6d32-74e6-f867a6946c16@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <242744be-7faa-6d32-74e6-f867a6946c16@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> Among the books we were given as trainees in the early sixties was one called Colourimetry. It had lots of interesting things about how we perceive colour and our sensitivity to different colours. As I remember there was a peak in the green curve which I thought a good design feature since much of the world as I look out on it in a rural location is green. On a different point, the church where I go, like many today has a projector and white screen for the songs rather than the traditional hymn books (though we have song sheets for those who need them). Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that momentarily the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to persistence of vision but can?t remember why, other than that yellow is complimentary to blue. Can you or anyone explain? Geoff > On 4 Mar 2020, at 13:29, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Excellent example of how low resolution our colour reception is, and how our brains try ever-so-hard to construct something they want to see from limited information. > > Chris Woolf > > > > On 04/03/2020 12:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom in). Fascinating. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Wed Mar 4 09:36:51 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 15:36:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception In-Reply-To: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> References: <242744be-7faa-6d32-74e6-f867a6946c16@chriswoolf.co.uk> <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <263bccec-3ac1-253f-fe3c-4f12ab1a2d5a@chriswoolf.co.uk> On 04/03/2020 14:58, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > .....Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good > contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that > momentarily the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to > persistence of vision but can?t remember why, other than that yellow > is complimentary to blue. Can you or anyone explain? > Geoff > This is fatigue colour, or after image, rather than persistence. The large blue area depletes the blue photoreceptors in your eye - your brain carries on seeing blue because it "knows" it is still blue. However when the image changes to white, your eye cannot instantly provide the blue portion of that, so the screen looks heavily blue-depleted = yellow. As your retina refreshes the blue cones your white balance improves till you see a proper white screen again. Plenty of nice examples here. https://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/light/complementary-colours.htm A long time ago.... I was tracking a camera in TC1, going up and down the rail of a ship, with artists looking out "to sea". Cameraman and I, in the "sea", were bathed in constant blue light for an hour or so at a time. When we trolled out to the tea bar it took around 15 minutes before we could see anything the right colour again. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From waresound at msn.com Wed Mar 4 09:41:23 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 15:41:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception In-Reply-To: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> References: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> Message-ID: The first TV I ever saw was at my Grandparents? house. It was a huge console cabinet with a small circular picture tube. On the front was a strong convex magnifying lens, and that had three horizontal soft edged colour stripes. Blue at the top, pink in the middle and green across the bottom, because as we know, the sky is blue, faces are (were) pink, and the grass is green. I?m probably not the only person here who remembers those humble beginnings! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Mar 2020, at 14:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: ? Among the books we were given as trainees in the early sixties was one called Colourimetry. It had lots of interesting things about how we perceive colour and our sensitivity to different colours. As I remember there was a peak in the green curve which I thought a good design feature since much of the world as I look out on it in a rural location is green. On a different point, the church where I go, like many today has a projector and white screen for the songs rather than the traditional hymn books (though we have song sheets for those who need them). Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that momentarily the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to persistence of vision but can?t remember why, other than that yellow is complimentary to blue. Can you or anyone explain? Geoff On 4 Mar 2020, at 13:29, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: ? Excellent example of how low resolution our colour reception is, and how our brains try ever-so-hard to construct something they want to see from limited information. Chris Woolf On 04/03/2020 12:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote: I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom in). Fascinating. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Mar 4 09:53:25 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 15:53:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls In-Reply-To: <242744be-7faa-6d32-74e6-f867a6946c16@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <6OQ_ihccTNef4gVPoE6L6MC0Cfy_iG6tvYUvi_rGUeW3ZBV-OQBdX3pMXX0S5mJPL-mXK9lgU2rv1QOia4sGR_qBp92SI7svnzErhCuJ9aQ=@protonmail.com> <242744be-7faa-6d32-74e6-f867a6946c16@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <1767737510.6801744.1583337205277@mail.yahoo.com> This could be an example of FriedBurgers Episcope! (or not) On Wednesday, 4 March 2020, 13:29:22 GMT, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: Excellent example of how low resolution our colour reception is,? and how our brains try ever-so-hard to construct something they want to see from limited information. Chris Woolf On 04/03/2020 12:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote: I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom in). Fascinating. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Mar 4 10:04:46 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:04:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception In-Reply-To: References: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1082195405.6796750.1583337886817@mail.yahoo.com> Not so! I remember the giant liquid-filled lenses. I bought one at a jumble sale, after they'd gone out of fashion. On a sunny day, it was an amazingly effective way of setting fire to thing! And the plastic sheets which could "Turn your b/w tele into colour". They sold them in Woolworths for the Coronation. It did seem to assume that all the people between the sky and the grass were Caucasians and naked! On Wednesday, 4 March 2020, 15:41:54 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: The first TV I ever saw was at my Grandparents? house. It was a huge console cabinet with a small circular picture tube. On the front was a strong convex magnifying lens, and that had three horizontal soft edged colour stripes. Blue at the top, pink in the middle and green across the bottom, because as we know, the sky is blue, faces are (were) pink, and the grass is green.I?m probably not the only person here who remembers those humble beginnings!Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 4 Mar 2020, at 14:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: ? Among the books we were given as trainees in the early sixties was one called Colourimetry. It had lots of interesting things about how we perceive colour and our sensitivity to different colours. As I remember there was a peak in the green curve which I thought a good design feature since much of the world as I look out on it in a rural location is green.On a different point, the church where I go, like many today has a projector and white screen for the songs rather than the traditional hymn books (though we have song sheets for those who need them). Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that momentarily the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to persistence of vision but can?t remember why, other than that yellow is complimentary to blue. Can you or anyone explain? Geoff On 4 Mar 2020, at 13:29, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: ? Excellent example of how low resolution our colour reception is,? and how our brains try ever-so-hard to construct something they want to see from limited information. Chris Woolf On 04/03/2020 12:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote: I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom in). Fascinating. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 4 10:05:10 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:05:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception In-Reply-To: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> References: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7ED5B710-D77D-42DB-9515-51334C1576D2@me.com> Yes, what you describe is complementary colours. As a child I would take the coloured gel wrappers from Quality Street sweets at Christmas and cover my eyes with them. If you use a red gel, when you take them away, the world looks blue green for a few moments. Alan Taylor > On 4 Mar 2020, at 14:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Among the books we were given as trainees in the early sixties was one called Colourimetry. It had lots of interesting things about how we perceive colour and our sensitivity to different colours. As I remember there was a peak in the green curve which I thought a good design feature since much of the world as I look out on it in a rural location is green. > On a different point, the church where I go, like many today has a projector and white screen for the songs rather than the traditional hymn books (though we have song sheets for those who need them). Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that momentarily the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to persistence of vision but can?t remember why, other than that yellow is complimentary to blue. Can you or anyone explain? > Geoff > >>> On 4 Mar 2020, at 13:29, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Excellent example of how low resolution our colour reception is, and how our brains try ever-so-hard to construct something they want to see from limited information. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> >> On 04/03/2020 12:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>> I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom in). Fascinating. >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Mar 4 10:08:32 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 16:08:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception In-Reply-To: <263bccec-3ac1-253f-fe3c-4f12ab1a2d5a@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <242744be-7faa-6d32-74e6-f867a6946c16@chriswoolf.co.uk> <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> <263bccec-3ac1-253f-fe3c-4f12ab1a2d5a@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <922084390.621397.1583338112805@mail.yahoo.com> Commonly encountered when working on Overlay Epics. After a week locked in a studio surrounded by blue cycs, your colleagues take a while to recover from their apparent jaundice. On Wednesday, 4 March 2020, 15:37:35 GMT, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: On 04/03/2020 14:58, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > .....Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good > contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that > momentarily the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to > persistence of vision but can?t remember why, other than that yellow > is complimentary to blue. Can you or anyone explain? > Geoff > This is fatigue colour, or after image, rather than persistence. The large blue area depletes the blue photoreceptors in your eye - your brain carries on seeing blue because it "knows" it is still blue. However when the image changes to white, your eye cannot instantly provide the blue portion of that, so the screen looks heavily blue-depleted = yellow. As your retina refreshes the blue cones your white balance improves till you see a proper white screen again. Plenty of nice examples here. https://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/light/complementary-colours.htm A long time ago.... I was tracking a camera in TC1, going up and down the rail of a ship, with artists looking out "to sea". Cameraman and I, in the "sea", were bathed in constant blue light for an hour or so at a time. When we trolled out to the tea bar it took around 15 minutes before we could see anything the right colour again. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Then it was back to school for the strand wire controlled interlock board and later a junior 8 and cutting cinemoid filters (still have my sample swatch) Mike -----Original Message----- From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 3:36 PM To: Geoffrey Hawkes Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception On 04/03/2020 14:58, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: > .....Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good > contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that momentarily > the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to persistence of vision but > can?t remember why, other than that yellow is complimentary to blue. Can > you or anyone explain? > Geoff -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Richard in control_s.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 123168 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One used to collect the most extreme sauces on the planet. ?Arse in Space? was one. > > Long may it continue. > > John V > > Sent from my iPad -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Mar 4 15:30:46 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 21:30:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] New Material In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indeed Trish was with Portaprompt, as was 'Hairy' Mary. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 4 16:04:58 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 22:04:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Tea Bar Talk In-Reply-To: <5CA62138-76FF-42CB-8CAA-CAB0A5C05968@vincent68.plus.com> References: <1F2A91F7-C362-4EAF-9154-11B093717E52@vincent68.plus.com> <5CA62138-76FF-42CB-8CAA-CAB0A5C05968@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: Here's one we didn't talk about. This is the Vietnamese Hand Washing Song - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctF5aMV05kM B On 04/03/2020 20:41, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:* John Vincent > > >> *Date:* 29 February 2020 at 13:39:55 GMT >> *To:* "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk " >> > >> *Subject:* *Tea Bar Talk* >> >> Pat?s right. >> >> This site does remind me of the topics we used to talk about. >> >> Cars and central heating installing were others. >> >> My last few years it was food with my lot.. Had some very >> enthusiastic chilli aficionados. >> >> . One used to collect the most extreme sauces on the planet. ?Arse in >> Space? was one. >> >> Long may it continue. >> >> John V >> >> Sent from my iPad > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 4 16:09:29 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 22:09:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brown balls and colour perception In-Reply-To: <1082195405.6796750.1583337886817@mail.yahoo.com> References: <2D25E2D5-0412-4B67-BB0A-798BDDD1167D@gmail.com> <1082195405.6796750.1583337886817@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0EFFE114-5D3F-4468-AF52-41C3B0CFD267@me.com> I acquired one of those television magnifying lenses from an uncle. It was hollow and it was the monochrome version without the coloured filter. It was excellent for fire creation experiments on sunny days, which reminds me of the Harry Hill gag that ants are prone to spontaneous combustion, which you can verify it yourself on a sunny day if you observe them carefully with a magnifying glass. However, I enjoy offering a story linking two recent themes, so here we go again ? It was September 1968, and as a spotty teenager I started my first course at Wood Norton. After a few weeks some of us were exploring the estate one evening ( aka scrumping for apples ) and in the orchard by the lower car park I noticed what looked like a short telegraph pole with a cast iron box about 2 metres up ( like an Eddystone box, but beefier ). It was somewhat bigger than a shoe box and in the front was a glass window appx 3cm across. The word "Plessey" and their logo was moulded onto the front of the box. Knowing that there were all sorts of secret any mysterious facilities on the estate, I was curious about what this could be. I returned with a torch and peered into the glass window, but couldn't identify what was in there. After 20-30 seconds, the street lights on the compound all extinguished. I turned off the torch and after a delay, they came on again. Another go with the torch turned them off again after another delay. I deduced that I had located the darkness sensor for the street lights around the Wood Norton compound. When I went home for the weekend, I brought the television magnifying lens, filled it with water and took it down to the lower orchard. I intended to focus the street lights ono the sensor that controlled them. Unfortunately the window faced the wrong way. I realised that I needed a mirror, so I improvised one from aluminium foil taped to a scrap plywood sheet and used it to reflect the light from the street lamps onto the lens which focussed it onto the sensor. After a few moments I was rewarded with darkness and then set about improvising a simple "A" frame out of dead branches to lean against the pole and hold the reflector and lens in alignment, so that I could leave it running. I had invented the optical oscillator and for the rest of the evening, the exterior lamps in the compound were flashing on and off about twice per minute. When I got bored with it, I reclaimed the lens and mirror and threw the "A" frame away in the orchard, thinking that was the end of that particular wheeze. The next day a van bearing the Plessey logo turned up in the compound and the engineer could be seen examining the control box, made a few tests, couldn't find anything wrong with it and went away. I hadn't intended to do that prank again, but having seen that the man had been trying to fix them, I felt that it was only appropriate that they should flash that evening too and so I set up the stuff in the same way, clearing it away last thing at night. Naturally he was called again the next day. I would guess that he might have been alerted to the possibility that students might have been tampering with the equipment in some way because the control box acquired anti-tampering wire seals, which were of course entirely ineffective because the box didn't need to be tampered with when using my optical technique. A cat and mouse game continued for a the rest of the week with the gear being set up quickly each night and The Major ( was that the correct name for the guy who had a hut on site as a sort of caretaker / policeman? ) made regular patrols looking for anybody messing about in the orchard, but he never spotted the lashed up optical system and we were able to set it up or dismantle it very rapidly while he was elsewhere. The Plessey man returned the next day, tested stuff, scratched his head and put seals on some other junction boxes around the compound, but was baffled. That evening I made a point of deliberately breaking the seal which he had put on a rather ordinary junction box further up the compound. I set the lights flashing again and when he returned the next day he clearly spotted the broken seal because he put in a more elaborate seal. I wanted him to falsely deduce that the way we got the lights flashing must have involved tampering with that junction box. It looked as though he asked The Major to keep an eye out for suspicious activity around that box, which was very convenient because it meant that he rarely patrolled the orchard area any more, which was where the real mischief happened, instead spending most of the evening never far from that junction box. When daylight came, it only took a moment to break the seal on the junction box again while passing by so that the Plessey man would be convinced that the key to tampering with the lights definitely involved getting inside that junction box. We set up the optical oscillator every night and made a point of breaking the seal on the junction box every morning as a false clue. At the end of the week, I took the lens home and left it there. On Monday, I noticed that the junction box had been secured with a small padlock. The Plessey man was doubtless satisfied that he had solved the mystery of the flashing lights because once he had locked that junction box shut, they behaved normally. I wonder what he imagined we actually did to make it happen. Alan Taylor On 4 Mar 2020, at 4 Mar . 16:04, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Not so! I remember the giant liquid-filled lenses. I bought one at a jumble sale, after they'd gone out of fashion. On a sunny day, it was an amazingly effective way of setting fire to thing! And the plastic sheets which could "Turn your b/w tele into colour". They sold them in Woolworths for the Coronation. It did seem to assume that all the people between the sky and the grass were Caucasians and naked! > > On Wednesday, 4 March 2020, 15:41:54 GMT, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > > The first TV I ever saw was at my Grandparents? house. It was a huge console cabinet with a small circular picture tube. On the front was a strong convex magnifying lens, and that had three horizontal soft edged colour stripes. Blue at the top, pink in the middle and green across the bottom, because as we know, the sky is blue, faces are (were) pink, and the grass is green. > I?m probably not the only person here who remembers those humble beginnings! > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 4 Mar 2020, at 14:58, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> ? Among the books we were given as trainees in the early sixties was one called Colourimetry. It had lots of interesting things about how we perceive colour and our sensitivity to different colours. As I remember there was a peak in the green curve which I thought a good design feature since much of the world as I look out on it in a rural location is green. >> On a different point, the church where I go, like many today has a projector and white screen for the songs rather than the traditional hymn books (though we have song sheets for those who need them). Usually the words are in yellow on deep blue as that gives good contrast and legibility. When the feed is cut, I notice that momentarily the screen appears yellow. I know this is due to persistence of vision but can?t remember why, other than that yellow is complimentary to blue. Can you or anyone explain? >> Geoff >> >>> On 4 Mar 2020, at 13:29, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Excellent example of how low resolution our colour reception is, and how our brains try ever-so-hard to construct something they want to see from limited information. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>> On 04/03/2020 12:54, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>> I've just been sent this screen shot. The balls are brown (if you zoom in). 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You can contact me - Nick Gilbey email nick at mcr21.org.uk or mobile 07831 219957. The copyright of the video belongs to Ken Osbourn* View The Video Above is a still taken from Ken's film showing one of the three cameramen at the temporary station built to receive the royal train arriving for the Investiture of The Prince of Wales. This was MCR21 first outing as a colour unit. The call sheet for the crew is below. For an incomplete list of events covered by MCR21, press the link button below MCR21 Programme List MCR21 RESTORATION? PROGRESS Working on the the vehicle restoration is gathering speed at Ward Jones Commercials. Much of the equipment, removed from MCR21 last year, is also being restored. This work is being carried out by volunteers.? Below shows Len Smythe working on the mains panel. *MCR21's SOUND MIXER and AUDIO SYSTEMS by Brian Summers* The sound desk, installed in MCR21, was made by Pye Ltd. from modules in their then new ?Broadcast Audio Equipment? range.? The idea behind this, was that simple or complex installations could be made up by combining a number of standard units, selected from the module range. A full sound system, programme and talkback, to the BBC's requirements was made up for MCR21, complete with amplifiers, PPM's, faders, power supplies, reserve battery supply, tone generators and a telephone system with ring generators. This compact installation was built into two desk units which form part of the overall production desk - fitted transversely across the vehicle. These were notionally ?portable? in the sense that they could be removed and operated away from the vehicle, if the programme required that. Part of the BBC's specification was that there should be various levels of equipment ?de-rig?, to increase the flexibility and accommodate different circumstances. Notable was the programme made of the ascent of the Old Man of Hoy. It was not possible to get the MCR near enough to the site, so the complete contents were moved close to the point of ascent and was operated under canvas! Another situation was at Wimbledon where at least two MCRs were de-rigged into the void under the court seating. The sound mixer had 20 input channels, each having it's own plug in amplifier module with gain control and input level switching. These channels were divided into three groups, which could operate independently - perhaps feeding a PA system or foldback ? or they could be mixed again at the master faders for a combined output. Two independent PPM's could monitor different signals and there was a BBC designed ?optical PPM? , installed above the transmission video monitor. This was so the sound supervisor could see the PPM in the same eye line as the master monitor. In the production area of MCR21, the left hand seat is for the engineering manager. At this position, the panel has talkback controls, a telephone and the 16 line magneto calling telephone exchange. The mixer modules were easily accessible under the desks, on the left are the power supplies and the loudspeaker amplifiers and on the right the channel and mixer amplifiers. Top Right are the two PPM driver modules.? The mixer inputs connectors are on the rear of these units. Of note is the lack of equalisation, the mixer has a flat frequency response. Communications to the cameras, outside the MCR, was built into the cameras as ?talkback? so the cameras could hear production talkback, programme sound and engineering talkback. There were spare jacks on the cameras so that others could plug in and listen. This was well before radio was used for talkback! Telephones were used, but if these were near the ?action? the bells would be turned off. At the commentary position was a commentators telephone unit, known in the BBC as a Baron box. Two of these have been restored as part of the project. It has two pairs of headphone sockets at the front, each headphone pair has it's own volume control, which is normally supplied with production talkback. The other choices are programme sound or ?off air?, sound & vision from a TV receiver unit. The telephone handset operates as a loudspeaking telephone in the OB Van for the producer or production secretary. Switches are provided to call the producer or to cue the sound mixer. There is no bell with the telephone - a bell is the last thing you want ringing.......... There would have been one or two picture monitors displaying mixer out and off air. One or both of these would have the picture displayed selected in the MCR by the production secretary. *JAZZ 625 at THE MARQUEE CLUB* MCR21 was used at least three times to record Jazz 625 at the Marquee Club. A popular way of enhancing a singer's voice was to add reverb Ken Osbourn explains how reverb was achieved in the 1960s It is relatively easy nowadays to add reverberation to a singer in a group.? Not so in the 1960?s which was when I was a sound assistant on MCR 21. There was a device in a box with a spring arrangement inside that could sit on the back seat, on the right-hand side after you had ascended the back steps. This could be ordered as a piece of additional equipment from stores at Kendal Avenue.? It had to be powered, and the input and output connected to the sound desk by means of tie lines, which I seem to remember were in that area.? The results were poor. A better method was to send the audio requiring treatment to an echo room at BH (Broadcasting House, Portland Place). This was achieved using Post Office circuits on the BT (Block Termination).? The two circuits (Go and Return) had to be ?Music Circuits? i.e. of suitable quality according to prescribed technical specifications. There would also be a control circuit (telephone) to talk to the man in the control room at BH. At BH, the audio was fed to a loudspeaker in an echo room in the basement, tiled to produce the hard surfaces, and the result was returned via a microphone.? I imagine that different sizes of room were available to produce different reverberation times. I remember stories about poor results causing the man in BH to go down to the echo room to resolve a problem.? A flooded room was not helpful! There was also a ?portable? echo unit, a large device which could sit in the camera-van. If you were really stuck at a venue, you could utilize the toilets by installing a loudspeaker (LS1 perhaps?) and a microphone (probably a 4035). It was a good idea to arrange for the water to be turned off, and the door to be locked of course. Ken Osbourn????????????????????? Sound Assistant MCR 21 *HELP* We still need help with the Project. Please do get in touch if you have some time which you could devote to the Project or would like more information or perhaps you have a story to tell about MCR21. There are lots of ways people can help. Please do get in touch with Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey brian at mcr21.org.uk - nick at mcr21.org.uk or telephone Nick 07831 219957 *FUNDRAISING* So far we have raised nearly ?5,000 through donations. We still need to raise more money to complete the MCR21 Project and keep it running. Every little helps. You can donate buy using the link below to the donate page on a website. or if you would be kind enough to support the Project through monthly donations, please email us and we can send you the Trust's bank account details Donate In the next newsletter - find out how MCR28 helped in the recording of 'All You Need Is Love' at the Abbey Road Studios in 1967. Also discover what happened to all the 1960s Pye BBC MCRs? 19 to 28 Newsletter Feb 2019 Newsletter May 2019 NewsletterJuly 2019 Newsletter Sept 2019 Newsletter Nov 2019 Review 2019 /Copyright ? February 2019 ?Broadcast Television Technology Trust, All rights reserved./ Want to change how you receive these emails? You can update your preferences or unsubscribe from this list . *The National Lottery Heritage Fund is supporting the MCR21 Project* This email was sent to bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com /why did I get this?/ unsubscribe from this list update subscription preferences MCR21 ? The Abbots House ? The Street ? Charmouth, Dorset DT6 6QF ? United Kingdom Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 6 09:03:39 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 15:03:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter March 2020 In-Reply-To: <83C0D405-08F6-4F4E-93A7-593AC6F8BCE6@gmail.com> References: <83C0D405-08F6-4F4E-93A7-593AC6F8BCE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6117c2ec-7671-6334-1770-a96c54ae3fba@gmail.com> I couldn't make the MCR21 videos work on Chrome, so Nick has passed on the links. B -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter March 2020 Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 14:44:21 +0000 From: Nick Gilbey To: bernie833 at gmail.com CC: Museum of the Broadcast TV camera , Rob G8NXG Hello Bernie Sorry about the link to the videos. We decided to use google drive as the server for the videos linked to the latest newsletter and we did carry out ?some tests. ?I did have my reservations about everybody would be able to open/run the videos - we will think again. Here are the links to the two ?videos which are also on Vimeo. Please feel free to forward these links to anybody. https://vimeo.com/395519835 https://vimeo.com/394923748 Thanks Nick > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *"nick at mcr21.org.uk " > > > *Subject: **Fwd: MCR21 Newsletter March 2020* > *Date: *6 March 2020 at 14:17:05 GMT > *To: *rndgilbey at gmail.com > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:*Bernard Newnham > >> *Date:*6 March 2020 at 12:27:27 GMT >> *To:*Nick > >> *Subject:**Re: MCR21 Newsletter March 2020* >> >> >> >> Sadly, the videos don't work for me on Chrome >> >> regards >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 06/03/2020 12:00, Nick wrote: Nick Gilbey The Abbots House The Street Charmouth Dorset DT6 6QF 01297 560339 07831 219957 Rndgilbey at gmail.com nick at mcr21.org.uk www.mcr21.org.uk www.tvobhistory.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When I go, I usually get "Why on earth are you buying that?", so I tend to mostly stay away and shop on my own as required. And when I do go, we tend to get separated and I tour the store looking for her, usually to find her loitering on the end of an aisle, invisible from the main drag. Luckily we didn't need any pasta this week, because the whole aisle was empty. Apparently someone on the news had said stock up, and everybody has, as if there's a massive shortage of spaghetti. Maybe there is.? What I actually did want was some Sharwood's egg noodles, so I proceeded to the next aisle, where there were shelves full of all kinds of noodle for the taking. It seems that if it's called noodle it doesn't count. Meanwhile in the aisle with shampoo etc, there was a crowd around the hand sanitisers and liquid Carex.? There wasn't a crowd round basic soap, which is not only much cheaper but more effective in killing bugs.? I read that hand sanitiser is mostly isopropyl alcohol and a stabiliser, usually aloe vera gel. In the garage I have a large bottle of isopropyl alcohol and on the bedroom window sill, an aloe vero plant. I wonder how they get the gel out of the aloe vera? B PS this week's new cheese experiment was Langres, also from Tesco. Fancy presentation, but not particularly amazing. Pleasant mild taste. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 7 03:32:57 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 09:32:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Pasta (and not cheese at all) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In the hospital where my wife works, bottles of hand sanitiser are being stolen from ward entrances and ends of beds. The ward she works in is the critical care unit where hygiene precautions are particularly stringent, therefore having sanitiser stolen is a big problem, especially now that replacements are in short supply. One of her colleagues observed that two people die of Covid 19 and the whole country goes mad for hand sanitiser and bog rolls, while thousands of people have died from AIDS and people still won?t use condoms. Alan Taylor > On 7 Mar 2020, at 09:13, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I was in Brooklands Tesco yesterday, "helping" my wife with the weekly shopping. When I go, I usually get "Why on earth are you buying that?", so I tend to mostly stay away and shop on my own as required. And when I do go, we tend to get separated and I tour the store looking for her, usually to find her loitering on the end of an aisle, invisible from the main drag. > > Luckily we didn't need any pasta this week, because the whole aisle was empty. Apparently someone on the news had said stock up, and everybody has, as if there's a massive shortage of spaghetti. Maybe there is. What I actually did want was some Sharwood's egg noodles, so I proceeded to the next aisle, where there were shelves full of all kinds of noodle for the taking. It seems that if it's called noodle it doesn't count. > > Meanwhile in the aisle with shampoo etc, there was a crowd around the hand sanitisers and liquid Carex. There wasn't a crowd round basic soap, which is not only much cheaper but more effective in killing bugs. I read that hand sanitiser is mostly isopropyl alcohol and a stabiliser, usually aloe vera gel. In the garage I have a large bottle of isopropyl alcohol and on the bedroom window sill, an aloe vero plant. I wonder how they get the gel out of the aloe vera? > > B > > PS this week's new cheese experiment was Langres, also from Tesco. Fancy presentation, but not particularly amazing. 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Today I would use the Daily Mail. It would also help if it had a picture of your favourite baddie (BJ,DT,JC,RM,MT,JB,PP,RH,JS). Or you can always do what my dog sometimes does and scoot on the lawn! Strange times! John V Sent from my iPad From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Mar 7 10:16:41 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 16:16:41 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Television Acting stuff In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1634602618.9122319.1583597801537@mail.yahoo.com> O.K. I only managed page one (before losing the will to live), but it seemed to me that Herbie Wise was claiming the credit for a lot of techniques which had developed naturally from the practical necessities of live tele. Primary credit for the type of mobile camerawork, that we were all familiar with, must go to Bill Vinten, or whoever it was that first realised that all television cameras needed to be on wheels. Equal credit should go to whoever recognised the need for flat, level studio floors, so that cameras could move smoothly (-ish) in any direction at any time. Without these practical developments, Directors could shout anything they liked at the microphone, but it wouldn't have happened. And these technical advances were in response to the needs of working live. There just wasn't time to lay rails, or re-rig tripods, as you might on a film shoot. Also important was the invention of the lens turret, so that the action didn't have to stop while the Cameraman changed lenses. I was a bit offended by the idea that no Cameraman ever thought of adjusting his position, to compensate for misplaced actors, until Herbie Wise told him to! I know there were a few stubborn characters in the department but, generally, a Cameraman on the floor will see things going wrong long before a Director in the gallery notices, and will be moving his ped in anticipation, even before positions have settled - even if he's still drifting a bit after the cut. If you waited for a Director to notice the problem, it would be too late. In live theatre, if an actor dries, fluffs, falls over, etc., things can't stop. Everyone has to ad lib their way through the hiatus, until they can get back on script. In live tele, the Cameramen often had to improvise in a similar manner, in response to unrehearsed situations. This was particularly true in an age when the equipment was less reliable. It was not unknown for a camera to die, live on air, and the others would have to compensate by sharing out its shots. Elsewhere, I have heard Mervyn Pinfield credited as the Director who first covered whole scenes on a single camera, in continuously developing shots. But, again, this evolved from necessity. There just weren't enough cameras. I think there were three cameras per studio at A.P.; four became the norm at Lime Grove, Riverside, etc. On any one scene, you couldn't use all the cameras because one might still be struggling across from the previous set, and another might already have been cleared to the next. In the cinema, you might hold a whole scene in a wide shot, but you couldn't do that on tele because, with only 405 lines of resolution, and Granny watching on a 9 inch screen, the details wouldn't have been discernible. You had to get in on the faces. And since you couldn't allocate a camera per face, you had to move the actors and cameras such that the shot progressed from one face, or group of faces, to another.? One mystery remains. Why am I explaining all this to people who already know it better than I do?! luv, Rog.? On Friday, 6 March 2020, 17:57:34 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Hi All I haven't heard back from the academics. I wonder if I will? Meanwhile Alec Bray has OCRed all of the Google Books lift so you can easily read it.? It's just sections from various places in the book, so doesn't totally make sense. It's attached. B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 10:49:57 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 16:49:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Television Acting stuff In-Reply-To: <1634602618.9122319.1583597801537@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1634602618.9122319.1583597801537@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On adjusting the camera position to compensate for positional errors by actors etc. - it was axskill we had to learn. I remember when tracking a Heron or a Mole, or swinging the latter, it was a big moment ehen the cameraman up front allowed you to mount a monitor to adjust with. It meant that you had reached another stage in trust and skill levels. Ah, those really were the days! Geoff F On Sat, 7 Mar 2020 at 16:18, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > O.K. I only managed page one (before losing the will to live), but it > seemed to me that Herbie Wise was claiming the credit for a lot of > techniques which had developed naturally from the practical necessities of > live tele. > > Primary credit for the type of mobile camerawork, that we were all > familiar with, must go to Bill Vinten, or whoever it was that first > realised that all television cameras needed to be on wheels. Equal credit > should go to whoever recognised the need for flat, level studio floors, so > that cameras could move smoothly (-ish) in any direction at any time. > Without these practical developments, Directors could shout anything they > liked at the microphone, but it wouldn't have happened. And these technical > advances were in response to the needs of working live. There just wasn't > time to lay rails, or re-rig tripods, as you might on a film shoot. Also > important was the invention of the lens turret, so that the action didn't > have to stop while the Cameraman changed lenses. > > I was a bit offended by the idea that no Cameraman ever thought of > adjusting his position, to compensate for misplaced actors, until Herbie > Wise told him to! I know there were a few stubborn characters in the > department but, generally, a Cameraman on the floor will see things going > wrong long before a Director in the gallery notices, and will be moving his > ped in anticipation, even before positions have settled - even if he's > still drifting a bit after the cut. If you waited for a Director to notice > the problem, it would be too late. In live theatre, if an actor dries, > fluffs, falls over, etc., things can't stop. Everyone has to ad lib their > way through the hiatus, until they can get back on script. In live tele, > the Cameramen often had to improvise in a similar manner, in response to > unrehearsed situations. This was particularly true in an age when the > equipment was less reliable. It was not unknown for a camera to die, live > on air, and the others would have to compensate by sharing out its shots. > > Elsewhere, I have heard Mervyn Pinfield credited as the Director who first > covered whole scenes on a single camera, in continuously developing shots. > But, again, this evolved from necessity. There just weren't enough cameras. > I think there were three cameras per studio at A.P.; four became the norm > at Lime Grove, Riverside, etc. On any one scene, you couldn't use all the > cameras because one might still be struggling across from the previous set, > and another might already have been cleared to the next. In the cinema, you > might hold a whole scene in a wide shot, but you couldn't do that on tele > because, with only 405 lines of resolution, and Granny watching on a 9 inch > screen, the details wouldn't have been discernible. You had to get in on > the faces. And since you couldn't allocate a camera per face, you had to > move the actors and cameras such that the shot progressed from one face, or > group of faces, to another. > > One mystery remains. Why am I explaining all this to people who already > know it better than I do?! > > luv, Rog. > > On Friday, 6 March 2020, 17:57:34 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > Hi All > > I haven't heard back from the academics. I wonder if I will? > > Meanwhile Alec Bray has OCRed all of the Google Books lift so you can > easily read it. It's just sections from various places in the book, so > doesn't totally make sense. It's attached. > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 03:54:32 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 08:54:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Television Acting stuff In-Reply-To: <1634602618.9122319.1583597801537@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1634602618.9122319.1583597801537@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, On 07/03/2020 16:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Elsewhere, I have heard Mervyn Pinfield credited as the Director who > first covered whole scenes on a single camera, in continuously > developing shots. I wrote to the author of the piece "Visible and Invisible Performance" in the book "Exploring Television Acting". In that email, I hope that I have made a couple of points: that the camera as actor is not just restricted to the "high end" drama productions but was essentially a constant throughout multi-camera production? - including Light Entertainment - and that there is a whole area of concern that was ignored - that of the SOUND picture and the contribution of sound also as an actor in the drama (or whatever). . Today I have emailed a corollary to that email - "... You could not have had a better example of [the camera as an actor in Light Entertainment]? than during "Dancing on Ice: The final" on Sunday 08 March 2020, firstly during Joe Squash's first performance, but more particularly during the Torville and Dean Exhibition Dance, where the camera was fully choreographed into the routine - it was part of the routine.and a full? performer along with the skaters? (the camera was in a harness on a skating cameraman).? It was done as one continuous shot, too - something which has become more popular recently, notably in one episode of "Casualty" (I believe last season) where the camera was handed from one camera team to another, ..." I share Bernie's view that we are unlikely to hear back from the academics, but Bernie's Tech Ops website is a place that could and should become a valuable source of material for future researchers who may credit our contributions to television production. Keeping you all up to date !! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Mon Mar 9 04:21:02 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:21:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Television Acting stuff In-Reply-To: References: <1634602618.9122319.1583597801537@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I feel that are getting sucked into the academic world. The skills of a human being, on the one hand, to perform and the other to produce a record of that performance are two different skills. Academics often look for more than exists to make a subject for their ideas. Our craft is wonderful on all levels from the man on the gate who welcomes you as you enter a studio or location which makes the day brighter to the not inconsiderate skills of all the crew. I love the business and the people. We were lucky to have worked with some of the best not least those on this forum. Albert > On 9 Mar 2020, at 08:54, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hello everyone, > On 07/03/2020 16:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> Elsewhere, I have heard Mervyn Pinfield credited as the Director who first covered whole scenes on a single camera, in continuously developing shots. > I wrote to the author of the piece "Visible and Invisible Performance" in the book "Exploring Television Acting". In that email, I hope that I have made a couple of points: that the camera as actor is not just restricted to the "high end" drama productions but was essentially a constant throughout multi-camera production - including Light Entertainment - and that there is a whole area of concern that was ignored - that of the SOUND picture and the contribution of sound also as an actor in the drama (or whatever). . > > Today I have emailed a corollary to that email - > > "... You could not have had a better example of [the camera as an actor in Light Entertainment] than during "Dancing on Ice: The final" on Sunday 08 March 2020, firstly during Joe Squash's first performance, but more particularly during the Torville and Dean Exhibition Dance, where the camera was fully choreographed into the routine - it was part of the routine.and a full performer along with the skaters (the camera was in a harness on a skating cameraman). It was done as one continuous shot, too - something which has become more popular recently, notably in one episode of "Casualty" (I believe last season) where the camera was handed from one camera team to another, ..." > > I share Bernie's view that we are unlikely to hear back from the academics, but Bernie's Tech Ops website is a place that could and should become a valuable source of material for future researchers who may credit our contributions to television production. > > Keeping you all up to date !! > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am gratified that you enjoyed my chapter on Invisible Performance. I've also written an?article about OB camerawork which may be of interest and I have attached it here. The whole area deserves much more recognition and examination than it has received. The contemporary examples you give are important of course, but my research interests are primarily in 20th century British television. With that in mind, would you and your colleagues be interested in taking part in a larger-scale research project examining the practice and?development?of television camerawork over the last 50 years or so? I think there is easily a book in it, based around interviews with practitioners and case study analysis. best wishes Douglas Dr. Douglas McNaughton D.Mcnaughton at brighton.ac.uk /Senior Lecturer, Film & Screen Studies, School of Media/ /University of Brighton, Room 204, 154-155 Edward Street, BN2 0JG / Latest article: Performance, Place and Screen: 'Visible' and 'invisible' performance in Outside Broadcast television drama. /Critical Studies in Television/. https://doi.org/10.1177/1749602018780637 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At least, in wartime, they could print Hitler's face on it. luv, Rog.? On Saturday, 7 March 2020, 11:23:43 GMT, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: Just been talking to my granddaughter who has a part time job in Waitrose. Empty shelves of loo roll and she asked what to do if you run out. I said use newspaper. She was horrified. I explained that back in the day after the war shortages and poverty meant just that. My wife remembers using newspaper in her parents outside loo at their back to back in Yorkshire. It was damp and you got ink on your backside. I have a vague recollection of a test being done to find the most absorbent. I think New of the World came tops. Today I would use the Daily Mail. It would also help if it had a picture of your favourite baddie (BJ,DT,JC,RM,MT,JB,PP,RH,JS). Or you can always do what my dog sometimes does and scoot on the lawn! Strange times! 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Best, Doug. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROGER BUNCE via Tech1" To: Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls Hi John, Did you tell her about the OTHER sort of loo paper - the hard, smooth type they inflicted on us - before anyone had invented the soft stuff. The name 'Izell' springs to mind. It worked well as tracing paper and, by stretching it over a comb, you could improvise a kazoo-like musical instrument. But it never seemed very good for its intended purposes, e.g. wiping bottoms or blowing noses (not at the same time!) Much too scratchy and non-absorbent. At least, in wartime, they could print Hitler's face on it. luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There was another called Bronco made of much the same sort of paper. To return to John?s point, I remember having to use newspaper on one or two occasions during the post war years. I don?t know if it was due to a shortage of toilet paper or when my parents ran low on cash and couldn?t afford it, which wouldn?t surprise me. I also recall using some of the tissue paper that oranges or tangerines were wrapped in around Christmas time. That was better than newspaper but not always available. We lived in a terraced house until I was thirteen and my parents managed to buy their own house. The landlord called every Monday night for the rent, which at the last count was 12s 6d a week. It only had an outdoor toilet with no lighting and we had to use a candle in the dark, till I bought a small paraffin lamp that I thought was wonderful. It ran on either Aladdin pink paraffin or the Esso blue variety. One winter the lead water feed pipe burst even though it was inside the toilet and we had to get a plumber to fix it with wodge of solder. It all seems primitive looking back though felt like ordinary at the time and we accepted it. When I was trekking in Nepal in 1998, I stayed for a few nights in villages where there was no running water and no sanitation. We were prepared for that and coped adequately, though I will spare you the details. Lots of people in third world countries still live like that today. **I?ve just looked online for Izal and found that Amazon have it for sale, or an updated version of it - and it is medicated. If supplies of Andrex don?t come though again soon, we may need it? Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 09 March 2020 13:20 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls Hi John, Did you tell her about the OTHER sort of loo paper - the hard, smooth type they inflicted on us - before anyone had invented the soft stuff. The name 'Izell' springs to mind. It worked well as tracing paper and, by stretching it over a comb, you could improvise a kazoo-like musical instrument. But it never seemed very good for its intended purposes, e.g. wiping bottoms or blowing noses (not at the same time!) Much too scratchy and non-absorbent. At least, in wartime, they could print Hitler's face on it. luv, Rog. On Saturday, 7 March 2020, 11:23:43 GMT, John Vincent via Tech1 > wrote: Just been talking to my granddaughter who has a part time job in Waitrose. Empty shelves of loo roll and she asked what to do if you run out. I said use newspaper. She was horrified. I explained that back in the day after the war shortages and poverty meant just that. My wife remembers using newspaper in her parents outside loo at their back to back in Yorkshire. It was damp and you got ink on your backside. I have a vague recollection of a test being done to find the most absorbent. I think New of the World came tops. Today I would use the Daily Mail. It would also help if it had a picture of your favourite baddie (BJ,DT,JC,RM,MT,JB,PP,RH,JS). Or you can always do what my dog sometimes does and scoot on the lawn! Strange times! John V Sent from my iPad -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 09:33:57 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:33:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Loo Rolls In-Reply-To: References: <55115ECA-29DC-4618-B79A-96EF4A40DA50@vincent68.plus.com> <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> <003301d5f619$34dcd280$0a01a8c0@ColdwellPC> Message-ID: On 09/03/2020 14:00, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > for those of us in the know the 6th floor loos had soft paper !!!! ....but at one point, locks on the doors. There was a point in the early nineties when a colleague and I were editing a lot in central London. Our budgets were from Enterprises, so we couldn't edit internally, even if there had been the appropriate gear, which there wasn't. Whenever facilities house execs heard about a possible BBC booking, they'd be on the phone offering tours and lunch. David and I would reluctantly take up their invitations. One day we went to a posh restaurant in Islington. I had scallops, because I love scallops. A couple of hours later I was in our office, 6005. Why we were in that exalted location I have no idea. I was talking on the phone when I suddenly felt pretty average, and said "Go to go now". I raced along to the loos by the main lifts. I got as far as the DGs TC office and puked everywhere. Then continued racing for the loo. It was locked, so I puked outside, and headed down to the fifth floor, where I actually puked (for some time) in an appropriate place.? Then I went to the nurse and lay in a cubicle for an hour or two. When the facilities house manager heard, he was horrified and went and complained to the restaurant. They offered a free lunch, but we didn't take it up. I haven't eaten scallops since, very sad. Some time later I went back to the sixth floor loo, where the lock had been removed. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Mar 9 09:33:55 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:33:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Loo Rolls In-Reply-To: References: <55115ECA-29DC-4618-B79A-96EF4A40DA50@vincent68.plus.com> <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> <003301d5f619$34dcd280$0a01a8c0@ColdwellPC> Message-ID: <0BE72756-8DA2-4CB4-A2BF-3454DEC4C22A@btinternet.com> BBC Bristol NPC top floor had executive washrooms and showers Here they had both Izal and Andrex in the cubicle for harassed execs The shiny stuff was for public school types, soft paper for the plebs . Izal was a barrier for infection apparently, so some used both together. Traveling in Muslim countries no paper was available , always a basin of water or bucket. Lower rate of infection apparently, this may be our fall back when Waitrose fails?. The boss says we can?t put KimWipes down the septic tank! > On 9 Mar 2020, at 14:00, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > > for those of us in the know the 6th floor loos had soft paper !!!! > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Mar 9 09:40:45 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 14:40:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Loo Rolls In-Reply-To: <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <898B89C3-D007-4A45-8985-6A3861915C7A@me.com> John V - Can I have the key to your list of initials, please? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 9 Mar 2020, at 13:22, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Hi John, > > Did you tell her about the OTHER sort of loo paper - the hard, smooth type they inflicted on us - before anyone had invented the soft stuff. The name 'Izell' springs to mind. It worked well as tracing paper and, by stretching it over a comb, you could improvise a kazoo-like musical instrument. But it never seemed very good for its intended purposes, e.g. wiping bottoms or blowing noses (not at the same time!) Much too scratchy and non-absorbent. At least, in wartime, they could print Hitler's face on it. > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 7 March 2020, 11:23:43 GMT, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > > > Just been talking to my granddaughter who has a part time job in Waitrose. > > Empty shelves of loo roll and she asked what to do if you run out. I said use newspaper. She was horrified. I explained that back in the day after the war shortages and poverty meant just that. My wife remembers using newspaper in her parents outside loo at their back to back in Yorkshire. It was damp and you got ink on your backside. > > I have a vague recollection of a test being done to find the most absorbent. I think New of the World came tops. Today I would use the Daily Mail. It would also help if it had a picture of your favourite baddie (BJ,DT,JC,RM,MT,JB,PP,RH,JS). > > Or you can always do what my dog sometimes does and scoot on the lawn! > > Strange times! > > John V > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 9 10:23:12 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 15:23:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Loo Rolls In-Reply-To: <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> References: <55115ECA-29DC-4618-B79A-96EF4A40DA50@vincent68.plus.com> <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e665f61.1c69fb81.fba3a.8bb5@mx.google.com> Yup! Remember the hard, smooth type ? pretty useless at what it was supposed to do, but excellent with a kazoo comb and paper. Wonder why the powers-that-be wished to print ?Property of the BBC? on every sheet. People intent on stealing the paper wouldn?t hesitate to make off with the trade marked variety, and did anyone realise that disgruntled staff might take a delight in wiping their backside with ?BBC?? For those of you involved with National Service ? was there any truth in the adage that squaddies were issued with but four sheets a day: ?One up? ?One down? ?One across? and ?One to polish?? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 09 March 2020 13:21 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls Hi John, Did you tell her about the OTHER sort of loo paper - the hard, smooth type they inflicted on us - before anyone had invented the soft stuff. The name 'Izell' springs to mind. It worked well as tracing paper and, by stretching it over a comb, you could improvise a kazoo-like musical instrument. But it never seemed very good for its intended purposes, e.g. wiping bottoms or blowing noses (not at the same time!) Much too scratchy and non-absorbent. At least, in wartime, they could print Hitler's face on it. luv, Rog.? On Saturday, 7 March 2020, 11:23:43 GMT, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: Just been talking to my granddaughter who has a part time job in Waitrose. Empty shelves of loo roll and she asked what to do if you run out. I said use newspaper. She was horrified. I explained that back in the day after the war shortages and poverty meant just that. My wife remembers using newspaper in her parents outside loo at their back to back in Yorkshire. It was damp and you got ink on your backside. I have a vague recollection of a test being done to find the most absorbent. I think New of the World came tops. Today I would use the Daily Mail. It would also help if it had a picture of your favourite baddie (BJ,DT,JC,RM,MT,JB,PP,RH,JS). Or you can always do what my dog sometimes does and scoot on the lawn! Strange times! John V Sent from my iPad -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 9 10:29:17 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 15:29:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Loo Rolls In-Reply-To: <5e665f61.1c69fb81.fba3a.8bb5@mx.google.com> References: <55115ECA-29DC-4618-B79A-96EF4A40DA50@vincent68.plus.com> <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> <5e665f61.1c69fb81.fba3a.8bb5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e2f348b-7df5-1d5f-1f68-9a2a9efda899@gmail.com> On 09/03/2020 15:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > For those of you involved with National Service ? was there any truth > in the adage that squaddies were issued with but four sheets a day: > > ?One up? ?One down? ?One across? and ?One to polish?? > There wasn't much roughage in their diets B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Suspicious emails If you think you?ve received a phishing email, follow these steps right away: Forward the entire email to spoof at paypal.com Do not alter the subject line or forward the message as an attachment Delete the suspicious email from your inbox > On 9 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > On 09/03/2020 15:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> For those of you involved with National Service ? was there any truth in the adage that squaddies were issued with but four sheets a day: >> >> ?One up? ?One down? ?One across? and ?One to polish?? >> > > > There wasn't much roughage in their diets > > B > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: 11 March 2020 09:45 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls BEWARE chaps and chapesses There?s a PayPal scam doing the rounds. Suspicious emails If you think you?ve received a phishing email, follow these steps right away: Forward the entire email to spoof at paypal.com Do not alter the subject line or forward the message as an attachment Delete the suspicious email from your inbox On 9 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: On 09/03/2020 15:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: For those of you involved with National Service ? was there any truth in the adage that squaddies were issued with but four sheets a day: ?One up? ?One down? ?One across? and ?One to polish?? 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B On 11/03/2020 10:18, David Denness wrote: > > Bernie, > > Surely you are not suggesting messages from Pat are all suspicious? > > Dave D > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Albert > Barber via Tech1 > *Sent:* 11 March 2020 09:45 > *To:* Bernard Newnham > *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls > > BEWARE chaps and chapesses > > There?s a PayPal scam doing the rounds. > > > Suspicious emails > > > If you think you?ve received a phishing email, follow these > steps right away: > > Step one > > Forward the entire email to spoof at paypal.com > > Step two > > Do not alter the subject line or forward the message as an attachment > > Step three > > Delete the suspicious email from your inbox > > On 9 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > On 09/03/2020 15:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > For those of you involved with National Service ? was there > any truth in the adage that squaddies were issued with but > four sheets a day: > > ?One up? ?One down? ?One across? and ?One to polish?? > > > > There wasn't much roughage in their diets > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I didn't write that, Albert did. > > There's a loo roll item on the BBC website at the moment > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/business-51823128/coronavirus-don-t-panic-be-community-minded-says-loo-roll-boss > > Don't Panic! As yesterday was the 42nd anniversary of HHGG I'd like to write that in large friendly letters, but you'll have to imagine it. > > B > > > On 11/03/2020 10:18, David Denness wrote: >> Bernie, >> Surely you are not suggesting messages from Pat are all suspicious? >> Dave D >> >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Albert Barber via Tech1 >> Sent: 11 March 2020 09:45 >> To: Bernard Newnham >> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls >> >> BEWARE chaps and chapesses >> There?s a PayPal scam doing the rounds. >> Suspicious emails >> If you think you?ve received a phishing email, follow these steps right away: >> >> Forward the entire email to spoof at paypal.com >> >> Do not alter the subject line or forward the message as an attachment >> >> Delete the suspicious email from your inbox >> On 9 Mar 2020, at 15:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> On 09/03/2020 15:23, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> For those of you involved with National Service ? was there any truth in the adage that squaddies were issued with but four sheets a day: >> ?One up? ?One down? ?One across? and ?One to polish?? >> >> >> There wasn't much roughage in their diets >> >> B >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It was sent to my alternative e-mail, which I do not use for purchases. 3. The amount shown was the same quoted in Canadian dollars and GBP ? not possible! Anyone see the Panorama prog on the Delhi call centre originating these scams? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Denness via Tech1 Sent: 11 March 2020 10:18 To: 'Albert Barber'; 'Bernard Newnham' Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls Bernie, Surely you are not suggesting messages from Pat are all suspicious? Dave D From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Albert Barber via Tech1 Sent: 11 March 2020 09:45 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls BEWARE chaps and chapesses There?s a PayPal scam doing the rounds.? 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In the early days there were some dramas which were not crewed by the most appropriate people and I recognise some of the criticisms which were outlined. Skills were being honed and finessed, lessons were being learned, experience was being gained. OB drama was different to studios and different to film too. My introduction to drama was guided by Ian Leiper in the early 1980's, who I feel should be given a huge amount of credit for how he approached and transformed OB drama audio. Colin White and subsequently Jeff Baker both understood the particular requirements for drama work and scheduled sound crews appropriately, taking into account expertise and personalities. Ian generously shared his wisdom and gave me a huge amount of support in my early days, in particular stressing how important it was to deliver uniform results. A scene recorded on day one may be edited next to a scene recorded two months later under entirely different weather conditions. He believed very strongly that the crew's efforts should generally be imperceptible to the audience. Obviously the audience should not be aware of any flaws, but neither should our efforts attract attention unless there is a specific dramatic reason. It was a privilege to be instructed by Ian. He also welcomed the way that when a Drama was mostly shot as an OB, the OB sound supervisor would usually perform the Sypher dub. Ian taught me a huge amount about the dubbing process. Having the same person responsible for recording on location and also the final dub makes for a consistent production. Newcomers obviously get trained in the mechanics of operational areas, but Ian was more interesting in explaining the thinking behind how you organise dubs, making sure that you pace yourself during the mixing process to avoid rushing towards the end, having scripts and tapes properly marked so that wild tracks can be rapidly located, with the good bits properly identified. Above all, he mentioned on numerous occasions how it was crucial that the dialogue is captured cleanly ( which also means performed clearly ) and should not become needlessly obscured by music or sound effects added in the dub. We're telling a story and while people tend to remember particular images, it's the dialogue which tells the story. I've always felt that when we are on location, we are gathering raw materials, but when we perform the dub, we're cooking with those materials. If the raw materials are sufficiently good, then those ingredients can shine through in the final dish without requiring spices or sauces to disguise flaws. Ian also taught me that the importance of tech rehearsal, location recce's and planning meetings cannot be understated. While on attachment, during my training to be a sound supervisor, I attended a number of rehearsals or planning meetings and it was a very mixed bag. Sometimes a supervisor regarded it as little more than an excuse to get out of the studio for a few hours and have a pint in the pub before returning to work. Some planning meetings got bogged down over relatively trivial matters which would have better been resolved between just a couple of interested parties rather than all the heads of department. Some of these meetings and rehearsals were very productive. Rehearsals, site visits and planning meetings are often the first opportunity to meet the people you'll be working with for the next few weeks and can pave the way for a good working relationship starting on day one of the shoot. Ian drummed into me that the first contact with a new production team is likely to be a site visit or planning meeting. The impression you create during that initial meeting will influence how people regard you during the rest of the shoot. Always be constructive, considerate and congenial. McNaughton's mention of "Location Community" particularly resonated with me. When I started working on dramas, it was standard practice for the crew to stay somewhere different to the production team. It didn't take me long to realise that staying in the 'production hotel' was a much more rewarding proposition. You bond with the production team or actors very rapidly, which has a positive effect of the shooting process. On a show which was shot on Dartmoor, there was limited room in the production hotel, meaning that the sound crew and other departments had to stay elsewhere. I found a fabulous small hotel nearby where we could organise soirees, inviting groups of the crew and actors to join us in the evenings. The location caterers fed us during the day, but what we needed in the evenings was a space to unwind, have a few drinks and maybe some light snacks. The woman who owned the hotel was delighted to welcome our colleagues and provided snacks for everybody free of charge because we weren't taking breakfast at the hotel. A comfortable space to relax and chill is important and can be hard to find in large hotels. There was one memorable children's series where the production team insisted on having what we would normally think of as a wrap party during the first week. They believed that if the crew socialise together, they work better together. Parties were a regular aspect of that shoot, I was asked beforehand to bring along a sound system for party music, the sparks brought a light show, the caterers provided a big mobile BBQ while the costume department went to the costume store and grabbed huge quantities of fancy dress clothing. The shoot itself was quite challenging at times, but the way everybody worked together was fantastic. If the actors feel comfortable with the crew, they are more able to deliver a good performance. If the crew are comfortable with the actors, it makes for a less stressful shoot and friendly people tend to look after each other. Sitting in the sound control area of either the LPU or LMCR meant that you might be some distance from the shooting location. About that time I had been having unofficial attachments to the BBC Film Department at Ealing and had noticed how they used wheeled Ursta carts to hold the mixer, recorder and ancillary equipment. I saw the possibilities and tried using one on an OB drama so that I could operate near the set. From that point onwards I seldom worked in the truck - even during inclement weather. The mixer and a Nagra served to capture the sound and record a snoop tape ( to record every take so that in the dub I can use bits from discarded takes ). A multi cable connected my mixer to the VT in the truck and replays came back along that multi too, together with the timecode for the snoop tape. The Ursta cart was highly mobile and even getting up and down stairs was quick and easy. By being located within the shooting area, I could talk directly with whoever I needed to talk with. I could often see problems for myself and deal with them earlier. I might have a quiet word with an actor and point out that a particular phrase didn't have sufficient clarity, suggesting either clearer diction, or maybe finishing the phrase before turning away from the microphone. If a distant plane becomes audible during the take, the director can look at me and I can instantly indicate whether it's good, bad, or so-so. If I sign that it's so-so, the director can use the take if they like it, or alternatively blame the plane for wanting a retake, especially if a prickly actor hadn't delivered the desired performance that time. One other aspect of Location Community was the realisation that for a big drama series, the crew, actors and production team would be working long hours together for 5 or 6 days per week for maybe twelve weeks with only every second weekend off. You don't want to be stuck with people who don't get on with each other, or who have annoying personality traits. They may be very competent at swinging a boom, but such skills can be outweighed if their personality makes them difficult to work with for extended periods. I did a shoot towards the end of my time in the BBC where I was not being offered the sort of boom ops who I preferred to work with and decided to take just one trusted boom op together with a trainee who was on attachment for the summer. The experienced boom op went sick during the first week and would be off for a few weeks, but by then I had seen that the trainee was excellent and could be trusted for the rest of the shoot, so I had no hesitation in using another similar trainee who also proved to excellent. The fact that I was stood near to the set with my Ursta cart meant that I could observe how they operated and have a word with them if I spotted something which needed attention. During moments while other departments are getting ready, I could chat to the trainee boom ops and explain what I was hoping to achieve and how we could make it happen. One often overlooked skill that OB crews have is to work effectively in unrehearsed situations. We can get our act together very quickly in order to shoot without delay when the clouds finally move away after having spent ages patiently observing the clouds. With child actors, they sometimes get bored after a few takes, so it can be important to get scenes recoded sooner rather than later. I might encourage a director to 'rehearse with the red light on" so that we capture the best of the performance before the kids get bored. On period dramas, if the weather is right and there are no passing planes at that time, we should be properly prepared so that we can get as many takes as possible in the can while there is an opportunity. Philip Savile was mentioned as being a pioneer of some aspects of location video drama. In the early to mid 80's, there was inevitably a moment in the planning meeting or location recce where a director was likely to say that they wanted "the film look". It generally involved making the pictures softer and less vibrant. Philip hadn't mentioned such things while we were planning Life and Loves of a She Devil and when John King brought up the subject, Philip was adamant that as it was going to be shot on video, it should celebrate that it was shot on video. The pictures should not be compromised and should deliver the best possible results at all times. I've previously described how on the first day of shooting, Philip decided to do a very complex single take, starting outdoors and then going into the house and moving from room to room. It was a swine of a shot to do, especially on day one, but we did it and no further editing was needed with only minimal extra shots being needed to complete the scene. The acting portrayed a scene of domestic chaos. Shooting it as a series of individual shots would have been a nightmare for performance and continuity, but shooting it as one shot solved multiple problems even though it created interesting challenges for the various departments to solve. Alan Taylor On 9 Mar 2020, at 9 Mar . 12:11, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hello everyone, > > We have a reply from Douglas Mcnaughton, the academic who wrote the paper about Invisible Performance. Bernie has replied to him along the lines that it seems like something well worth doing! > > Perhaps a subdued "Hooray" may be allowed?? > > Best regards, Alec > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Moier about : "'Visible' and 'Invisible' Performance ..." in "Exploring Television Acting" > Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 10:32:03 +0000 > From: Douglas Mcnaughton > To: Alec Bray > CC: Bernard Newnham , ROGER BUNCE > > > Dear Alec, > > Many thanks for your fascinating emails. I am gratified that you enjoyed my chapter on Invisible Performance. I've also written an article about OB camerawork which may be of interest and I have attached it here. > > The whole area deserves much more recognition and examination than it has received. The contemporary examples you give are important of course, but my research interests are primarily in 20th century British television. With that in mind, would you and your colleagues be interested in taking part in a larger-scale research project examining the practice and development of television camerawork over the last 50 years or so? I think there is easily a book in it, based around interviews with practitioners and case study analysis. > > best wishes > Douglas > > > > Dr. Douglas McNaughton > D.Mcnaughton at brighton.ac.uk > Senior Lecturer, Film & Screen Studies, School of Media > University of Brighton, Room 204, 154-155 Edward Street, BN2 0JG > Latest article: Performance, Place and Screen: 'Visible' and 'invisible' performance in Outside Broadcast television drama. Critical Studies in Television.https://doi.org/10.1177/1749602018780637 > > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 11 11:18:08 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:18:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: More about : "'Visible' and 'Invisible' Performance ..." in "Exploring Television Acting" In-Reply-To: <8D5C02B9-5137-4D91-9CF4-73201662B073@me.com> References: <14be79a7944b49a7b0410c2bca67d8cc@brighton.ac.uk> <8D5C02B9-5137-4D91-9CF4-73201662B073@me.com> Message-ID: Alec Bray is now in contact with with the academic who wrote all that stuff about us, Dr Douglas McNaughton, and it seems that we might be asked - at last - to actually talk about it. If Alec doesn't mind, I think we should let him carry doing what he's doing, and be our point of contact. So Alan, you might get asked to say all this brilliant stuff out loud! And the rest of you. Makeup! B On 11/03/2020 14:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > II was interested to read what Douglas McNaughton wrote and especially > what he said about OB camerawork in the late 1970s. > > I hadn't started getting involved in drama work at that particular > time. ?The LPU and LMCR were relatively new vehicles, designed for > drama shoots as well as other smaller OBs too. ? I didn't feel that > there was a widely held appreciation for the need for specialist crews > for drama work amongst the higher echelons of Kendal Avenue management > ( sound and camera line managers did understand ) . In the early days > there were some dramas which were not crewed by the most appropriate > people and I recognise some of the criticisms which were outlined. > ?Skills were being honed and finessed, lessons were being learned, > experience was being gained. ?OB drama was different to studios and > different to film too. > > My introduction to drama was guided by Ian Leiper in the early 1980's, > who I feel should be given a huge amount of credit for how he > approached and transformed OB drama audio. ?Colin White and > subsequently Jeff Baker both understood the particular requirements > for drama work and scheduled sound crews appropriately, taking into > account expertise and personalities. ?Ian generously shared his wisdom > and gave me a huge amount of support in my early days, in particular > stressing how important it was to deliver uniform results. ?A scene > recorded on day one may be edited next to a scene recorded two months > later under entirely different weather conditions. ?He believed very > strongly that the crew's efforts should generally be imperceptible to > the audience. Obviously the audience should not be aware of any flaws, > but neither should our efforts attract attention unless there is a > specific dramatic reason. > > It was a privilege to be instructed by Ian. ?He also welcomed the way > that when a Drama was mostly shot as an OB, the OB sound supervisor > would usually perform the Sypher dub. Ian taught me a huge amount > about the dubbing process. ?Having the same person responsible for > recording on location and also the final dub makes for a consistent > production. ?Newcomers obviously get trained in the mechanics of > operational areas, but Ian was more interesting in explaining the > thinking behind how you organise dubs, making sure that you pace > yourself during the mixing process to avoid rushing towards the end, > having scripts and tapes properly marked so that wild tracks can be > rapidly located, with the good bits properly identified. Above all, he > mentioned on numerous occasions how it was crucial that the dialogue > is captured cleanly ( which also means performed clearly ) and should > not become needlessly obscured by music or sound effects added in the > dub. We're telling a story and while people tend to remember > particular images, it's the dialogue which tells the story. > > I've always felt that when we are on location, we are gathering raw > materials, but when we perform the dub, we're cooking with those > materials. ?If the raw materials are sufficiently good, then those > ingredients can shine through in the final dish without requiring > spices or sauces to disguise flaws. > > Ian also taught me that the importance of tech rehearsal, location > recce's and planning meetings cannot be understated. While on > attachment, during my training to be a sound supervisor, I attended a > number of rehearsals or planning meetings and it was a very mixed bag. > ?Sometimes a supervisor regarded it as little more than an excuse to > get out of the studio for a few hours and have a pint in the pub > before returning to work. ?Some planning meetings got bogged down over > relatively trivial matters which would have better been resolved > between just a couple of interested parties rather than all the heads > of department. ?Some of these meetings and rehearsals were very > productive. Rehearsals, site visits and planning meetings are often > the first opportunity to meet the people you'll be working with for > the next few weeks and can pave the way for a good working > relationship starting on day one of the shoot. ?Ian drummed into me > that the first contact with a new production team is likely to be a > site visit or planning meeting. ?The impression you create during that > initial meeting will influence how people regard you during the rest > of the shoot. Always be constructive, considerate and congenial. > > McNaughton's mention of "Location Community" particularly resonated > with me. When I started working on dramas, it was standard practice > for the crew to stay somewhere different to the production team. ?It > didn't take me long to realise that staying in the 'production hotel' > was a much more rewarding proposition. You bond with the production > team or actors very rapidly, which has a positive effect of the > shooting process. On a show which was shot on Dartmoor, there was > limited room in the production hotel, meaning that the sound crew and > other departments had to stay elsewhere. I found a fabulous small > hotel nearby where we could organise soirees, inviting groups of the > crew and actors to join us in the evenings. The location caterers fed > us during the day, but what we needed in the evenings was a space to > unwind, have a few drinks and maybe some light snacks. ?The woman who > owned the hotel was delighted to welcome our colleagues and provided > snacks for everybody free of charge because we weren't taking > breakfast at the hotel. ?A comfortable space to relax and chill is > important and can be hard to find in large hotels. > > There was one memorable children's series where the production team > insisted on having what we would normally think of as a wrap party > during the first week. They believed that if the crew socialise > together, they work better together. Parties were a regular aspect of > that shoot, ?I was asked beforehand to bring along a sound system for > party music, the sparks brought a light show, the caterers provided a > big mobile BBQ while the costume department went to the costume store > and grabbed huge quantities of fancy dress clothing. ?The shoot itself > was quite challenging at times, but the way everybody worked together > was fantastic. If the actors feel comfortable with the crew, they are > more able to deliver a good performance. ?If the crew are comfortable > with the actors, it makes for a less stressful shoot and friendly > people tend to look after each other. > > Sitting in the sound control area of either the LPU or LMCR meant that > you might be some distance from the shooting location. About that time > I had been having unofficial attachments to the BBC Film Department at > Ealing and had noticed how they used wheeled Ursta carts to hold the > mixer, recorder and ancillary equipment. ?I saw the possibilities and > tried using one on an OB drama so that I could operate near the set. > ?From that point onwards I seldom worked in the truck - even during > inclement weather. ?The mixer and a Nagra served to capture the sound > and record a snoop tape ( to record every take so that in the dub I > can use bits from discarded takes?). ?A multi cable connected my mixer > to the VT in the truck and replays came back along that multi too, > together with the timecode for the snoop tape. The Ursta cart was > highly mobile and even getting up and down stairs was quick and easy. > By being located within the shooting area, I could talk directly with > whoever I needed to talk with. I could often see problems for myself > and deal with them earlier. ?I might have a quiet word with an actor > and point out that a particular phrase didn't have sufficient clarity, > suggesting either clearer diction, or maybe finishing the phrase > before turning away from the microphone. If a distant plane becomes > audible during the take, the director can look at me and I can > instantly indicate whether it's good, bad, or so-so. ?If I sign that > it's so-so, the director can use the take if they like it, or > alternatively blame the plane for wanting a retake, especially if a > prickly actor hadn't delivered the desired performance that time. > > One other aspect of Location Community was the realisation that for a > big drama series, the crew, actors and production team would be > working long hours together for 5 or 6 days per week for maybe twelve > weeks with only every second weekend off. ?You don't want to be stuck > with people who don't get on with each other, or who have annoying > personality traits. They may be very competent at swinging a boom, but > such skills can be outweighed if their personality makes them > difficult to work with for extended periods. ?I did a shoot towards > the end of my time in the BBC where I was not being offered the sort > of boom ops who I preferred to work with and decided to take just one > trusted boom op together with a trainee who was on attachment for the > summer. ?The experienced boom op went sick during the first week and > would be off for a few weeks, but by then I had seen that the trainee > was excellent and could be trusted for the rest of the shoot, so I had > no hesitation in using another similar trainee who also proved to > excellent. ?The fact that I was stood near to the set with my Ursta > cart meant that I could observe how they operated and have a word with > them if I spotted something which needed attention. ?During moments > while other departments are getting ready, I could chat to the trainee > boom ops and explain what I was hoping to achieve and how we could > make it happen. > > One often overlooked skill that OB crews have is to work effectively > in unrehearsed situations. ?We can get our act together very quickly > in order to shoot without delay when the clouds finally move away > after having spent ages patiently observing the clouds. ?With child > actors, they sometimes get bored after a few takes, so it can be > important to get scenes recoded sooner rather than later. I might > encourage a director to 'rehearse with the red light on" so that we > capture the best of the performance before the kids get bored. On > period dramas, if the weather is right and there are no passing planes > at that time, we should be properly prepared so that we can get as > many takes as possible in the can while there is an opportunity. > > Philip Savile was mentioned as being a pioneer of some aspects of > location video drama. ?In the early to mid 80's, there was inevitably > a moment in the planning meeting or location recce where a director > was likely to say that they wanted "the film look". It generally > involved making the pictures softer and less vibrant. Philip hadn't > mentioned such things while we were planning Life and Loves of a She > Devil and when John King brought up the subject, Philip was adamant > that as it was going to be shot on video, it should celebrate that it > was shot on video. ?The pictures should not be compromised and should > deliver the best possible results at all times. > > I've previously described how on the first day of shooting, Philip > decided to do a very complex single take, starting outdoors and then > going into the house and moving from room to room. ?It was a swine of > a shot to do, especially on day one, but we did it and no further > editing was needed with only minimal extra shots being needed to > complete the scene. The acting portrayed a scene of domestic chaos. > ?Shooting it as a series of individual shots would have been a > nightmare for performance and continuity, but shooting it as one shot > solved multiple problems even though it created interesting challenges > for the various departments to solve. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > On 9 Mar 2020, at 9 Mar . 12:11, Alec Bray via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> We have a reply from Douglas Mcnaughton, the academic who wrote the >> paper about Invisible Performance.? Bernie has replied to him along >> the lines thatit seems like something well worth doing! >> >> Perhaps a subdued "Hooray" may be allowed?? >> >> Best regards, Alec >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: Moier about : "'Visible' and 'Invisible' Performance >> ..." in "Exploring Television Acting" >> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 10:32:03 +0000 >> From: Douglas Mcnaughton >> To: Alec Bray >> CC: Bernard Newnham, ROGER >> BUNCE >> >> >> >> Dear Alec, >> >> Many thanks for your fascinating emails. I am gratified that you >> enjoyed my chapter on Invisible Performance. I've also written >> an?article about OB camerawork which may be of interest and I have >> attached it here. >> >> The whole area deserves much more recognition and examination than it >> has received. The contemporary examples you give are important of >> course, but my research interests are primarily in 20th century >> British television. With that in mind, would you and your colleagues >> be interested in taking part in a larger-scale research project >> examining the practice and?development?of television camerawork over >> the last 50 years or so? I think there is easily a book in it, based >> around interviews with practitioners and case study analysis. >> >> best wishes >> Douglas >> >> >> >> Dr. Douglas McNaughton >> D.Mcnaughton at brighton.ac.uk >> /Senior Lecturer, Film & Screen Studies, School of Media/ >> /University of Brighton, Room 204, 154-155 Edward Street, BN2 0JG >> / >> Latest article: Performance, Place and Screen: 'Visible' and >> 'invisible' performance in Outside Broadcast television >> drama./Critical Studies in >> Television/.https://doi.org/10.1177/1749602018780637 >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> -- >> Best Regards >> >> Alec >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> mob: 07789 561 346 >> home: 0118 981 7502 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Mar 11 16:33:07 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 21:33:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: More about : "'Visible' and 'Invisible' Performance ..." in "Exploring Television Acting" In-Reply-To: <8D5C02B9-5137-4D91-9CF4-73201662B073@me.com> References: <14be79a7944b49a7b0410c2bca67d8cc@brighton.ac.uk> <8D5C02B9-5137-4D91-9CF4-73201662B073@me.com> Message-ID: <01Wwekyl_RHvjF2D6vfBADNT8TIJavVP2wHq7ULiVhlsgl2pjPRqDxtLbqhfv7DLrhZazJia9NEen_HMQo8p8agNq3BV-ZK_hlIBc19B23A=@protonmail.com> A fascinating thread, encompassing several aspects of ideas and practical techniques I struggled to espouse during my career, and did my best to pass on via the training sessions and workshops I was involved in. On the subject of single shots for a scene, this is nothing new, although back in the day, not nearly as sophisticated as the recent shot on 'Dancing on ice'. Would you believe, the first inspirational shooting I witnessed was Ian Perry 'dancing' through some dancers using the tiller on the HP ped to manoeuvre in and out between them. To the best of my memory, it was a shoot on an L.E. programme in R1 in about 1965, so B&W and a Pye Mk5. The routine lasted around 3 minutes, but as far as I could tell, Ian simply did his own thing weaving in and out between them. OK I said to myself, that's the sort of thing I'd like to do, and although I didn't quite manage a similar dance routine, I dearly loved using the tiller to steer a ped around on any development shots I might have had back then. Later, although the majority of crew welcomed the introduction of the Fulmar, I was dismayed to find that the tiller had been omitted. I had several long conversations with Vinten, and although I understood their point that the increase in vertical movement, especially the depth, meant that the tiller could obstruct this and become an operational hazard if not handled correctly (no pun intended). I argued that they could have designed it so that a tiller could have been an optional attachment, removable if the shot dictated its positioning would impede or adversely hinder movement - but you all know how far my arguments got! Back to the single shot story, I'm sure there are several others on this forum who have worked on these type of shots, especially on musical inserts on Late Night Lineup for example. Knowing my musical leanings I was frequently asked if I would like to do a single shot on a musical performance, and one such I recall was a classical guitarist (sorry, I've no idea who) where I listened to him play the piece and then went for a take simply gliding slowly around the man and guitar, tracking, crabbing to and fro, in and out, in time to the music, on a HP ped and PC60 in Pres B, so no stress, one take, all OK everyone, right next item. One of my most challenging single shots was on 'The Love of Three Oranges' - crew 2, with all the photos taken on day 1 when I was still returning from holiday in Northern Ireland. The 2nd day I had a single shot on a Fulmar at the bottom of its column panned up to follow movement backwards and forwards (well actually crabbing to and fro) as the action moved horizontally from side to side on a raised set. I was shuffling about on my hands and knees, and it was one of the most difficult studio shoots I ever performed, although I was pretty chuffed at the end of the take. For whatever reason however, we had to do another couple of takes, and whilst I more or less managed, I don't think either was technically as good as take 1. Just my luck, boy, I could have definitely used that tiller to good effect had it been available. So, I'm sure there are still plenty of similar stories out there if you wish to share them, from the Stanley Dorfman epics, through to OGWT, where whatever happened on a rehearsal (if one materialised) was unlikely to be repeated on transmission. I've always described how a crew worked on these ad lib scenes as a three dimensional/spatial awareness exercise, since each crew member had to be aware of the position of all other cameras, which one had the red light, how and where it was moving on shot, be able to keep out of the way, reposition when necessary, and offer a complimentary shot (and note to our sound colleagues, yes, do this silently, without dropping pencils - although I suspect they may have something to do with the elimination of the tiller, how many times did you let go and hear a clang as it hit the ring steer?). Ah yes, and the input from all those highly paid and credited production staff, producers, directors, et al on these productions? (Puts tongue in cheek) - 'Feel it, love.' TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Mar 11 18:54:35 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:54:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Loo Rolls In-Reply-To: <003601d5f61f$b5531e00$1ff95a00$@gmail.com> References: <55115ECA-29DC-4618-B79A-96EF4A40DA50@vincent68.plus.com> <1036756155.10227846.1583759998686@mail.yahoo.com> <003601d5f61f$b5531e00$1ff95a00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <92b4937a-a383-26c3-c51b-0afd0100d6da@howell61.f9.co.uk> On joining the BBC I had digs in Pennard Road behind the TV Theatre. Pink Paraffin was delivered by a man walking in front of a battery powered handcart. His call of "Guee-erp" alerted the residents of his presence. Didn't any lecture on P.O. 'Lines' contain references to 'Bronco' paper being used for insulation? John H. On 09/03/2020 14:33, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Roger, > > I think it was called San-Izal and it smelt of disinfectant**. There > was another called Bronco made of much the same sort of paper. > > To return to John?s point, I remember having to use newspaper on one > or two occasions during the post war years. I don?t know if it was due > to a shortage of toilet paper or when my parents ran low on cash and > couldn?t afford it, which wouldn?t surprise me. I also recall using > some of the tissue paper that oranges or tangerines were wrapped in > around Christmas time. That was better than newspaper but not always > available. > > We lived in a terraced house until I was thirteen and my parents > managed to buy their own house. The landlord called every Monday night > for the rent, which at the last count was 12s 6d a week. It only had > an outdoor toilet with no lighting and we had to use a candle in the > dark, till I bought a small paraffin lamp that I thought was > wonderful. It ran on either Aladdin pink paraffin or the Esso blue > variety. One winter the lead water feed pipe burst even though it was > inside the toilet and we had to get a plumber to fix it with wodge of > solder. It all seems primitive looking back though felt like ordinary > at the time and we accepted it. When I was trekking in Nepal in 1998, > I stayed for a few nights in villages where there was no running water > and no sanitation. We were prepared for that and coped adequately, > though I will spare you the details. Lots of people in third world > countries still live like that today. > > **I?ve just looked online for Izal and found that Amazon have it for > sale, or an updated version of it - and it is medicated. If supplies > of Andrex don?t come though again soon, we may need it? > > *Geoff* > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *ROGER BUNCE > via Tech1 > *Sent:* 09 March 2020 13:20 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Loo Rolls > > Hi John, > > Did you tell her about the OTHER sort of loo paper - the hard, smooth > type they inflicted on us - before anyone had invented the soft stuff. > The name 'Izell' springs to mind. It worked well as tracing paper and, > by stretching it over a comb, you could improvise a kazoo-like musical > instrument. But it never seemed very good for its intended purposes, > e.g. wiping bottoms or blowing noses (not at the same time!) Much too > scratchy and non-absorbent. At least, in wartime, they could print > Hitler's face on it. > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 7 March 2020, 11:23:43 GMT, John Vincent via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Just been talking to my granddaughter who has a part time job in Waitrose. > > Empty shelves of loo roll and she asked what to do if you run out. I > said use newspaper. She was horrified. I explained that back in the > day after the war shortages and poverty meant just that. My wife > remembers using newspaper in her parents outside loo at their back to > back in Yorkshire. It was damp and you got ink on your backside. > > I have a vague recollection of a test being done to find the most > absorbent. I think New of the World came tops. Today I would use the > Daily Mail. It would also help if it had a picture of your favourite > baddie (BJ,DT,JC,RM,MT,JB,PP,RH,JS). > > Or you can always do what my dog sometimes does and scoot on the lawn! > > Strange times! > > John V > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Mar 12 07:44:05 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:44:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Crew 7 not crew 2 Message-ID: Before I get told (as often is the case) that I don't know what I'm talking about, the crew for Love of Three Oranges was Crew 7 - and I can confirm that Pete Fox was Ron's No. 2. The reason I managed to misnumber in this case was due to the way I write, I splurge lots of words around, and then start to edit. In last night's case, I'd been telling you all about OGWT, and how it could get really wild, and cited a particular episode featuring John Otway and Wild Willy Barrett singing 'Really Free'. I was on crew 2 at the time with Mike Harrison and Chris Glass as well as various hanger's on. This particular OGWT featured Dr. Hook as the main studio group, much to Mike's delight, as he thought they were the bee's knees, and the play out group were Otway and Barrett, who simply threw themselves all over the place. As it happens, it's now available on Youtube, and if you want to see how a completely unrehearsed item appeared on transmission, with a group throwing themselves, really freely, all over the place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6oQ4oRH_nc FYI, after Bob's intro, I'm on the camera right camera, with the first shot of the group, so you can try and guess my shots from then on, although I might have mentioned that they threw themselves ALL OVER THE PLACE. I almost mentioned another drama I did on Reg Poulter's crew which took place in a studio set as a pub interior. It was completely unrehearsed, as the director wanted it to appear exactly as an evening in a crowded pub would appear. The actors had rehearsed their script, and knew where to position themselves throughout, but there were also at least 50 extras, whose job was to be a typical pub crowd. To that end, the bar was actually serving real alcoholic drinks, and the extras were told to behave as if they were in a pub on a night out, and go up to the bar and get themselves drinks as and when they felt like it, and to ignore all technical equipment that might be in the way, simply move round it, in front of it, whatever, to get to and from the bar. I've no idea what the drama was called, or whether it was ever transmitted, but by the time it came to change tapes after 90 minutes, over half the extras were completely legless, virtually incapable of any sensible communication with the rest of the world, so typical evening pub crowd! TeaTeaFN - Tony Grant, camera (not Mr. Crake on sound) Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Mar 12 09:24:08 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:24:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Arty camera work Message-ID: <60D1B262-EA84-4209-BFBA-2ECEDA681589@me.com> Another tale came to mind ? When we were shooting Life and Loves of a She Devil, Philip Savile and Mike Winser had decided from the outset that although the camera had a zoom lens, all the shots were going to be done as though using prime lenses and therefore the shot box presets for the zoom lens was pre-loaded with about four angles and all the shots would use one of those pre sets ( actual prime lenses wouldn?t have been available for the camera used at that time ). It was all working very happily and then one day we were shooting in the main set which was built onto Belle Tout lighthouse. It had a very uneven floor made from scaffolding boards. We needed to do a tracking shot first thing in the afternoon and as was so often the case, the track was set up and meticulously levelled while we shot a scene nearby. When the tracking shot was rehearsed, it became obvious that the angle didn?t quite allow the framing intended. The next pre set angle was much too wide. Philip then insisted that the entire track had to be completely dismantled and re-erected about a foot further away from the action in order to get the shot he needed. The more creative people amongst us will doubtless applaud the discipline of restricting the shots to a small selection of lens angles, but I would challenge anybody to explain that concept to the riggers, who had spent two or three hours slogging away in an airless room during hot weather and felt that the problem would be totally sorted if Mike would merely zoom out a touch. John King and Mike Winser both used maximum charm and diplomacy to get the track relocated without monumentally pissing off the riggers. Alan Taylor From waresound at msn.com Thu Mar 12 14:13:19 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:13:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Rowridge Transmitteing Station Message-ID: Nice piece on BBC SW regional News a few mins ago about a lady in her nineties who worked as an engineer at Rowridge when it opened in 1954. She just wanted to see inside there again before it was too late. Best bit was when the boss of Arqiva handed her a pair of STC cans to listen to, and she said: ?it?s not as good quality as it was then!? There's no arguing with that! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Mar 12 16:26:18 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 21:26:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Crew 7 not crew 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And while I remember, on that particular OGWT, Billy Connolly was ligging around in the background, but I was too busy trying to stay on the pair's actions to grab a shot of him, although it might have looked as if a rogue shot from another programme had crept in! Interestingly, back in them thar days, the odd star used to have a look at what was going on in other studios if they'd got some time on their hands, I mean John Cleese's might surface on a Dr. Who set! The other thing to note, if you've got to the end, was that the credits didn't list any form of recognition for cameras - now how would anyone direct Otway and Barrett? TeaTeaFN - Tony G From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 06:36:22 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 11:36:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] What we can do about the virus Message-ID: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> It seems to me that the best we can hope for is to get a mild dose, if there is such a thing, so that we build up an immunity rather than avoid it and fall victim to the second wave. If we do by some miracle escape this time, we hope there's a vaccine developed before the next round. It seems unclear at present as to whether the same person can be infected twice but the virus might mutate like flu anyway so that any vaccine becomes a lottery. It's fascinating that viruses somehow "know" that they can't kill everyone and are self-limiting or they would be left without hosts and die themselves. We face an uncertain future and I hope and pray that we can do so with wisdom, fortitude, peace and calm, whatever the outcome, Geoff Hawkes -----Original Message----- From: Announce On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via Announce Sent: 13 March 2020 10:40 To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day > Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - Perhaps the reason was a good one;} The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. For instance... //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. Chris Woolf > > /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every > morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 > seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without > discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no > Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // // //In > critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with > clean air. > > Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: > Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take > a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus > gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them > down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your > stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water > more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. > That's very dangerous. // > // > //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // > //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a > common cold // //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny > nose. // //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed > by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // //4. If > someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the > ground and is no longer airborne. // //5. If it drops on a metal > surface it will live for at least 12 hours > - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands > as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // //6. On fabric it can > survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // //7. > Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink > liquids with ice.// //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can > only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen > during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly > and so on. // //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple > solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // //10. Can't emphasis > enough - drink plenty of water! // //THE SYMPTOMS // //1. It will > first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days > // //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the > trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 > days further. // //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and > difficulty in breathing. // //4. The nasal congestion is not like the > normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then > seek immediate attention./ -- Announce mailing list Announce at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 13 08:25:13 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:25:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What we can do about the virus In-Reply-To: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It would be great to know how to only catch a mild dose. It reminds me of how my mum used to say that you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die. If a peck is 16 pints, then how do you know when you've eaten 15.9 pints of dirt and must be ultra careful thereafter? Many people are claiming that when the warmer weather comes along, the coronavirus will fade away all by itself. If that is true, I would appreciate somebody explaining how it ever gained a foothold in Iran, South Korea, Italy or Spain? My wife works in the Critical Care Unit of our local hospital and doctors there are horrified that so little has been done to minimise the spread of the virus within the community. Neither can they understand why there is no statistically meaningful routine testing of the general public, therefore many of the numbers quoted must be largely based on guesswork. People returning from known hotspots such as Italy are waived through airports, continuing on their way via public transport across the UK. Members of the Royal Family even publicly announced that they were refusing to self isolate after having returned from a known hotspot in Italy - what sort of message does that send to others? Very recently I returned through the Channel Tunnel and there were no questions asked about where we had been, neither was there any indication that anybody at all had their temperature checked. The big hospital in the next city has earlier this week insisted on taking 50% of the the monitoring and ventilation machines away from my wife's ward. Anybody being admitted to her ward will have to be hooked up to a portable monitor, which isn't nearly as effective as a proper one and lacks features which would be crucial for Covid19 patients. For anybody who might have been wondering, in simple terms Coronavirus is the virus which spreads from person to person, while Covid19 is the disease that it causes. One local epidemiolgy specialist explained that the important figure to keep an eye on is how many days it takes for the number of confirmed infections reported each day to double. It's been doubling roughly every three days recently, which is a very alarming trend. You don't have to be much of a mathematician to work out how things might be in a month if that trend doesn't decline. Personally I'm trying to minimise contact with other people. Being a grumpy git, having the sort of face which frightens horses, and living in a fairly small village, it's relatively easy for me to do that and therefore life can continue much as normal for me. My grandsons have largely self isolated in their bedrooms with their Playstations and mobile phones ever since they first became teenagers, so they are only likely to be exposed to the virus at school. Many of my neighbours are elderly ( OK - even more elderly than me ) and they do tend to believe everything they read in their newspapers, so some of them are getting into a bit of a panic while radio or television reports do little to calm them down. It's hard to know what sort of tone to adopt with them, on the one hand they need to look after themselves by taking sensible precautions, but on the other hand, excessive worrying isn't going to do them any good either. Keep safe Alan Taylor On 13 Mar 2020, at 13 Mar . 11:36, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > It seems to me that the best we can hope for is to get a mild dose, if there is such a thing, so that we build up an immunity rather than avoid it and fall victim to the second wave. If we do by some miracle escape this time, we hope there's a vaccine developed before the next round. > It seems unclear at present as to whether the same person can be infected twice but the virus might mutate like flu anyway so that any vaccine becomes a lottery. > It's fascinating that viruses somehow "know" that they can't kill everyone and are self-limiting or they would be left without hosts and die themselves. > > We face an uncertain future and I hope and pray that we can do so with wisdom, fortitude, peace and calm, whatever the outcome, > > Geoff Hawkes > > -----Original Message----- > From: Announce On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via Announce > Sent: 13 March 2020 10:40 > To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day > > >> Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - > > Perhaps the reason was a good one;} > > The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. > > For instance... > > //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // > > If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. > > Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. > > What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. > > Chris Woolf > >> >> /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every >> morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 >> seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without >> discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no >> Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // // //In >> critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with >> clean air. >> >> Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: >> Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take >> a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus >> gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them >> down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your >> stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water >> more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. >> That's very dangerous. // >> // >> //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // >> //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a >> common cold // //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny >> nose. // //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed >> by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // //4. If >> someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the >> ground and is no longer airborne. // //5. If it drops on a metal >> surface it will live for at least 12 hours >> - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands >> as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // //6. On fabric it can >> survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // //7. >> Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink >> liquids with ice.// //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can >> only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen >> during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly >> and so on. // //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple >> solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // //10. Can't emphasis >> enough - drink plenty of water! // //THE SYMPTOMS // //1. It will >> first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days >> // //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the >> trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 >> days further. // //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and >> difficulty in breathing. // //4. The nasal congestion is not like the >> normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then >> seek immediate attention./ > > -- > Announce mailing list > Announce at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Mar 13 09:31:07 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 14:31:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] What we can do about the virus In-Reply-To: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5850a13f1bdave@davesound.co.uk> It is a worry. When by nature many of our pals will be the same sort of age. And with age invariably not in as good health as once. I've only once had a bad dose of flu. When a young man - and remember spending a miserable Xmas. I've taken up on flu jabs since retiring, and so far they've worked. Let's hope a jab for this ain't too far away. In article <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com>, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > It seems to me that the best we can hope for is to get a mild dose, if > there is such a thing, so that we build up an immunity rather than avoid > it and fall victim to the second wave. If we do by some miracle escape > this time, we hope there's a vaccine developed before the next round. It > seems unclear at present as to whether the same person can be infected > twice but the virus might mutate like flu anyway so that any vaccine > becomes a lottery. It's fascinating that viruses somehow "know" that > they can't kill everyone and are self-limiting or they would be left > without hosts and die themselves. > We face an uncertain future and I hope and pray that we can do so with wisdom, fortitude, peace and calm, whatever the outcome, -- *If at first you don't succeed, avoid skydiving.* Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 12:59:24 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 17:59:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Crew 7 not crew 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3d50ce7a-708d-8bbe-f41b-52600764ca8f@btinternet.com> John Cleese on a Dr. Who set! How ridiculous! Of course it did happen, I know, because I was on the boom for this insert into the VT 'Christmas tape'! Cheers, Dave On 12/03/2020 21:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > And while I remember, on that particular OGWT, Billy Connolly was ligging around in the background, but I was too busy trying to stay on the pair's actions to grab a shot of him, although it might have looked as if a rogue shot from another programme had crept in! Interestingly, back in them thar days, the odd star used to have a look at what was going on in other studios if they'd got some time on their hands, I mean John Cleese's might surface on a Dr. Who set! > > The other thing to note, if you've got to the end, was that the credits didn't list any form of recognition for cameras - now how would anyone direct Otway and Barrett? > > TeaTeaFN - Tony G > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 13:27:38 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 18:27:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What we can do about the virus In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can confirm your story about incoming passengers being waved through! Some friends of my wife flew in from Northern Italy. The had their temperature checked at the airport but when they got back to the UK there were no checks at all, so they got on the tube and went back into Central London and then home! Cheers, Dave On 13/03/2020 13:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > It would be great to know how to only catch a mild dose. > > It reminds me of how my mum used to say that you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die. If a peck is 16 pints, then how do you know when you've eaten 15.9 pints of dirt and must be ultra careful thereafter? > > Many people are claiming that when the warmer weather comes along, the coronavirus will fade away all by itself. If that is true, I would appreciate somebody explaining how it ever gained a foothold in Iran, South Korea, Italy or Spain? > > My wife works in the Critical Care Unit of our local hospital and doctors there are horrified that so little has been done to minimise the spread of the virus within the community. Neither can they understand why there is no statistically meaningful routine testing of the general public, therefore many of the numbers quoted must be largely based on guesswork. People returning from known hotspots such as Italy are waived through airports, continuing on their way via public transport across the UK. Members of the Royal Family even publicly announced that they were refusing to self isolate after having returned from a known hotspot in Italy - what sort of message does that send to others? Very recently I returned through the Channel Tunnel and there were no questions asked about where we had been, neither was there any indication that anybody at all had their temperature checked. > > The big hospital in the next city has earlier this week insisted on taking 50% of the the monitoring and ventilation machines away from my wife's ward. Anybody being admitted to her ward will have to be hooked up to a portable monitor, which isn't nearly as effective as a proper one and lacks features which would be crucial for Covid19 patients. > > For anybody who might have been wondering, in simple terms Coronavirus is the virus which spreads from person to person, while Covid19 is the disease that it causes. > > One local epidemiolgy specialist explained that the important figure to keep an eye on is how many days it takes for the number of confirmed infections reported each day to double. It's been doubling roughly every three days recently, which is a very alarming trend. You don't have to be much of a mathematician to work out how things might be in a month if that trend doesn't decline. > > Personally I'm trying to minimise contact with other people. Being a grumpy git, having the sort of face which frightens horses, and living in a fairly small village, it's relatively easy for me to do that and therefore life can continue much as normal for me. My grandsons have largely self isolated in their bedrooms with their Playstations and mobile phones ever since they first became teenagers, so they are only likely to be exposed to the virus at school. Many of my neighbours are elderly ( OK - even more elderly than me ) and they do tend to believe everything they read in their newspapers, so some of them are getting into a bit of a panic while radio or television reports do little to calm them down. It's hard to know what sort of tone to adopt with them, on the one hand they need to look after themselves by taking sensible precautions, but on the other hand, excessive worrying isn't going to do them any good either. > > Keep safe > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > On 13 Mar 2020, at 13 Mar . 11:36, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > >> It seems to me that the best we can hope for is to get a mild dose, if there is such a thing, so that we build up an immunity rather than avoid it and fall victim to the second wave. If we do by some miracle escape this time, we hope there's a vaccine developed before the next round. >> It seems unclear at present as to whether the same person can be infected twice but the virus might mutate like flu anyway so that any vaccine becomes a lottery. >> It's fascinating that viruses somehow "know" that they can't kill everyone and are self-limiting or they would be left without hosts and die themselves. >> >> We face an uncertain future and I hope and pray that we can do so with wisdom, fortitude, peace and calm, whatever the outcome, >> >> Geoff Hawkes >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Announce On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via Announce >> Sent: 13 March 2020 10:40 >> To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day >> >> >>> Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - >> Perhaps the reason was a good one;} >> >> The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. >> >> For instance... >> >> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >> >> If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. >> >> Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. >> >> What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >>> /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every >>> morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 >>> seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without >>> discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no >>> Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // // //In >>> critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with >>> clean air. >>> >>> Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: >>> Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take >>> a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus >>> gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them >>> down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your >>> stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water >>> more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. >>> That's very dangerous. // >>> // >>> //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // >>> //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a >>> common cold // //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny >>> nose. // //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed >>> by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // //4. If >>> someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the >>> ground and is no longer airborne. // //5. If it drops on a metal >>> surface it will live for at least 12 hours >>> - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands >>> as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // //6. On fabric it can >>> survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // //7. >>> Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink >>> liquids with ice.// //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can >>> only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen >>> during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly >>> and so on. // //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple >>> solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // //10. Can't emphasis >>> enough - drink plenty of water! // //THE SYMPTOMS // //1. It will >>> first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days >>> // //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the >>> trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 >>> days further. // //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and >>> difficulty in breathing. // //4. The nasal congestion is not like the >>> normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then >>> seek immediate attention./ >> -- >> Announce mailing list >> Announce at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 13 13:40:17 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 18:40:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What we can do about the virus In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Reports are coming in that things have got so bad in Spanish hospitals that Germans are putting their towels on intensive care beds. Alan Taylor On 13 Mar 2020, at 13 Mar . 18:27, dave.mdv wrote: > I can confirm your story about incoming passengers being waved through! Some friends of my wife flew in from Northern Italy. The had their temperature checked at the airport but when they got back to the UK there were no checks at all, so they got on the tube and went back into Central London and then home! Cheers, Dave > > On 13/03/2020 13:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> It would be great to know how to only catch a mild dose. >> >> It reminds me of how my mum used to say that you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die. If a peck is 16 pints, then how do you know when you've eaten 15.9 pints of dirt and must be ultra careful thereafter? >> >> Many people are claiming that when the warmer weather comes along, the coronavirus will fade away all by itself. If that is true, I would appreciate somebody explaining how it ever gained a foothold in Iran, South Korea, Italy or Spain? >> >> My wife works in the Critical Care Unit of our local hospital and doctors there are horrified that so little has been done to minimise the spread of the virus within the community. Neither can they understand why there is no statistically meaningful routine testing of the general public, therefore many of the numbers quoted must be largely based on guesswork. People returning from known hotspots such as Italy are waived through airports, continuing on their way via public transport across the UK. Members of the Royal Family even publicly announced that they were refusing to self isolate after having returned from a known hotspot in Italy - what sort of message does that send to others? Very recently I returned through the Channel Tunnel and there were no questions asked about where we had been, neither was there any indication that anybody at all had their temperature checked. >> >> The big hospital in the next city has earlier this week insisted on taking 50% of the the monitoring and ventilation machines away from my wife's ward. Anybody being admitted to her ward will have to be hooked up to a portable monitor, which isn't nearly as effective as a proper one and lacks features which would be crucial for Covid19 patients. >> >> For anybody who might have been wondering, in simple terms Coronavirus is the virus which spreads from person to person, while Covid19 is the disease that it causes. >> >> One local epidemiolgy specialist explained that the important figure to keep an eye on is how many days it takes for the number of confirmed infections reported each day to double. It's been doubling roughly every three days recently, which is a very alarming trend. You don't have to be much of a mathematician to work out how things might be in a month if that trend doesn't decline. >> >> Personally I'm trying to minimise contact with other people. Being a grumpy git, having the sort of face which frightens horses, and living in a fairly small village, it's relatively easy for me to do that and therefore life can continue much as normal for me. My grandsons have largely self isolated in their bedrooms with their Playstations and mobile phones ever since they first became teenagers, so they are only likely to be exposed to the virus at school. Many of my neighbours are elderly ( OK - even more elderly than me ) and they do tend to believe everything they read in their newspapers, so some of them are getting into a bit of a panic while radio or television reports do little to calm them down. It's hard to know what sort of tone to adopt with them, on the one hand they need to look after themselves by taking sensible precautions, but on the other hand, excessive worrying isn't going to do them any good either. >> >> Keep safe >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 13 Mar 2020, at 13 Mar . 11:36, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> It seems to me that the best we can hope for is to get a mild dose, if there is such a thing, so that we build up an immunity rather than avoid it and fall victim to the second wave. If we do by some miracle escape this time, we hope there's a vaccine developed before the next round. >>> It seems unclear at present as to whether the same person can be infected twice but the virus might mutate like flu anyway so that any vaccine becomes a lottery. >>> It's fascinating that viruses somehow "know" that they can't kill everyone and are self-limiting or they would be left without hosts and die themselves. >>> >>> We face an uncertain future and I hope and pray that we can do so with wisdom, fortitude, peace and calm, whatever the outcome, >>> >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Announce On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via Announce >>> Sent: 13 March 2020 10:40 >>> To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day >>> >>> >>>> Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - >>> Perhaps the reason was a good one;} >>> >>> The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. >>> >>> For instance... >>> >>> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >>> >>> If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. >>> >>> Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. >>> >>> What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>>> /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every >>>> morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 >>>> seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without >>>> discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no >>>> Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // // //In >>>> critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with >>>> clean air. >>>> >>>> Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: >>>> Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take >>>> a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus >>>> gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them >>>> down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your >>>> stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water >>>> more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. >>>> That's very dangerous. // >>>> // >>>> //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // >>>> //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a >>>> common cold // //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny >>>> nose. // //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed >>>> by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // //4. If >>>> someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the >>>> ground and is no longer airborne. // //5. If it drops on a metal >>>> surface it will live for at least 12 hours >>>> - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands >>>> as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // //6. On fabric it can >>>> survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // //7. >>>> Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink >>>> liquids with ice.// //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can >>>> only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen >>>> during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly >>>> and so on. // //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple >>>> solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // //10. Can't emphasis >>>> enough - drink plenty of water! // //THE SYMPTOMS // //1. It will >>>> first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days >>>> // //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the >>>> trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 >>>> days further. // //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and >>>> difficulty in breathing. // //4. The nasal congestion is not like the >>>> normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then >>>> seek immediate attention./ >>> -- >>> Announce mailing list >>> Announce at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 15:30:47 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 20:30:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Visible and Invisible Performance - research In-Reply-To: References: <46ead677-72c5-1caf-2863-eda523480243@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2040034373.742575.1584131447505@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alec, and all, You've got me thinking about L.E., which I hadn't been. Camera performances on Light Entertainment programmes can be extremely 'Visible" i.e. wildly hurtling swoops, even when the artistes are relatively stationary. This would seem to defy the TV Drama convention of pretending that the cameras don't exist. In L.E. the cameras overtly exist, and their spectacular movements are part of the entertainment. But, of course, there are two justifications for this - A: no one pretends that L.E. is real life, and, B: the music. The timing of camera movements in L.E. is motivated by the tempo of the music. Cameras become part of the general ballet. R.E. Improvised Camerawork in L.E. (In ye olde days, when we were young, long-haired, and the music was much better!) Old Grey Whistle Test in Pres. B, directed by Tom Corcoran, when the cameras were manned by three young(-ish) idiots, with no real crew structure.????Tom didn't really rehearse the music numbers. The cameras would offer shots. Tom would cut up the ones he liked, and tell you to look elsewhere if he didn't. There was always a certain humorous competitiveness, trying to clock-up a higher score of shots than your colleagues. Just keep monitoring output on Viewfinder Mix, and always offer something compatible with the shot currently on air. On one occasion, in the psychedelic early seventies, we were each trying to push the limits, by inventing shots that were ever more avant-garde and unconventional (i.e. silly). Could we find a shot that was so bizarre that even Tom Corcoran would think we had gone too far? I think I was the first across the line. My shot showed the lead singer's face, bottom two thirds of frame, with the drum kit directly behind him, such that two symbols grew out of his head, like Mickey Mouse ears, and the drum sticks appeared to be pounding on his hair. Tom laughed, but declined my kind offer. After that we settled down a bit. The "In Concert" series (early 1970s) directed by Stan Dorfman, at Television Theatre.????This followed a similar pattern. By way of rehearsal, the bands would play their music and the camera crew would look for possible shots, but nothing would be tied down. The recording would be largely ad lib. This time, the formal crew structure - it was Ron Peverall's crew - restrained our wilder excesses. (This is where I realise that I'd be useless as a name-dropper, because I can't remember the names of the bands/groups/musician involved. The only ones who spring to mind are Buddy Rich and Ravi Shankar. In the latter case, the P.A. made a heroic attempt at counting bars, before admitting defeat!)? ? A tricks learned - If you find a really original, distinctive shot, try not to feature it too strongly during rehearsals because, when you repeated on recording, Stan was likely to say, "Seen it!" and ask for something different - forgetting that he'd only seen it on rehearsal, and hadn't actually recorded it!????One exception - Inspired by '2001: a Space Odyssey', I was experimenting with shot compositions, in which the key elements were arranged vertically, rather than side by side. I found an interesting high(-ish) shot in which two back-lit folk singers were aligned vertically. Stan Dorfman liked it, "It's like a piece of Sculpture," he cried, and asked me to recreate it on recording. But then he put it through a colour synthesiser, turning into an abstract pattern which, I felt, rather spoiled my original design concept!????You also had to be careful what shots you offered, since you didn't know what Stan might ask you to do with them. I was offering a low shot, from beneath a drum kit, looking steeply up at the drummers face through defocussed cymbals. To achieve this, I had squeezed my ped into a confined space, and was lying on my back on the floor. Stan liked the shot, cut it up, and said, "You've got eight bars - Develop!" Having rendered myself virtually immobile, I could only zoom out, until the lens was wide enough to risk a wobbly crawl backwards, before moving out and up to something more frontal. Fortunately, when Stan said, "Develop", he didn't specify a direction or end objective. That was up to you. (I now find it difficult to believe that I was ever that young and flexible!) luv, Rog. On Thursday, 12 March 2020, 14:31:26 GMT, Alec Bray wrote: Hello Douglas, On 12/03/2020 10:56, Douglas Mcnaughton wrote: Should i contact people individually, or would you like to send out a short invitation (which I can write)?encouraging anyone interested in contributing?to contact me direct? To contact the whole group, please sent your invitation to me, which I will then distribute to the? Tech Ops group? (Bernie has set up a protected emailer).? From then on, please contact people individually!? (-and anything you don't want, you could forward for the tech ops web site!) Tony is Tony Grant (not Tony Crake)? - my error, so many apologies!? I am sure that you could contact Alan Taylor, Tony Grant and Roger Bunce right away. (copied on this email). We were interested in the ADAPT project right from the get-go, and wished to work with the project.? However, the project focussed on the re-enactment of an Outside Broadcast rather than a Studio production, and things went very quiet as far as Tech Ops were concerned. You might have guessed that the first version of the Doc Spec I sent was prepared with the ADAPT project in mind. As in any industry - there is a bright idea, the team(s) struggle to implement it and ultimately succeed, then an enterprising person or company provides a means to do the same thing easier, quicker, cheaper ...Or a new technology is provided which team(s) apply to their everyday jobs which expands the productivity, scope or ultimate outcomes of their work,? We can see this happening in the world of Television - which is why we included some reference to the development of technical operations (including development of domestic receiving sets and camera? mountings) .? Roger Bunce has lots to contribute on this subject. We all are looking forward to a possible co-operation and collaboration with your research! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 16:11:52 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 21:11:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What we can do about the virus In-Reply-To: References: <001e01d5f92b$9fd4efe0$df7ecfa0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ooh, you are wicked, but I like you, as Dick Emery would say! I have sent your message to my grandson in Malaga where he says there are troops on the streets! Cheers, Dave On 13/03/2020 18:40, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Reports are coming in that things have got so bad in Spanish hospitals that Germans are putting their towels on intensive care beds. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > On 13 Mar 2020, at 13 Mar . 18:27, dave.mdv wrote: > >> I can confirm your story about incoming passengers being waved through! Some friends of my wife flew in from Northern Italy. The had their temperature checked at the airport but when they got back to the UK there were no checks at all, so they got on the tube and went back into Central London and then home! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 13/03/2020 13:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> It would be great to know how to only catch a mild dose. >>> >>> It reminds me of how my mum used to say that you have to eat a peck of dirt before you die. If a peck is 16 pints, then how do you know when you've eaten 15.9 pints of dirt and must be ultra careful thereafter? >>> >>> Many people are claiming that when the warmer weather comes along, the coronavirus will fade away all by itself. If that is true, I would appreciate somebody explaining how it ever gained a foothold in Iran, South Korea, Italy or Spain? >>> >>> My wife works in the Critical Care Unit of our local hospital and doctors there are horrified that so little has been done to minimise the spread of the virus within the community. Neither can they understand why there is no statistically meaningful routine testing of the general public, therefore many of the numbers quoted must be largely based on guesswork. People returning from known hotspots such as Italy are waived through airports, continuing on their way via public transport across the UK. Members of the Royal Family even publicly announced that they were refusing to self isolate after having returned from a known hotspot in Italy - what sort of message does that send to others? Very recently I returned through the Channel Tunnel and there were no questions asked about where we had been, neither was there any indication that anybody at all had their temperature checked. >>> >>> The big hospital in the next city has earlier this week insisted on taking 50% of the the monitoring and ventilation machines away from my wife's ward. Anybody being admitted to her ward will have to be hooked up to a portable monitor, which isn't nearly as effective as a proper one and lacks features which would be crucial for Covid19 patients. >>> >>> For anybody who might have been wondering, in simple terms Coronavirus is the virus which spreads from person to person, while Covid19 is the disease that it causes. >>> >>> One local epidemiolgy specialist explained that the important figure to keep an eye on is how many days it takes for the number of confirmed infections reported each day to double. It's been doubling roughly every three days recently, which is a very alarming trend. You don't have to be much of a mathematician to work out how things might be in a month if that trend doesn't decline. >>> >>> Personally I'm trying to minimise contact with other people. Being a grumpy git, having the sort of face which frightens horses, and living in a fairly small village, it's relatively easy for me to do that and therefore life can continue much as normal for me. My grandsons have largely self isolated in their bedrooms with their Playstations and mobile phones ever since they first became teenagers, so they are only likely to be exposed to the virus at school. Many of my neighbours are elderly ( OK - even more elderly than me ) and they do tend to believe everything they read in their newspapers, so some of them are getting into a bit of a panic while radio or television reports do little to calm them down. It's hard to know what sort of tone to adopt with them, on the one hand they need to look after themselves by taking sensible precautions, but on the other hand, excessive worrying isn't going to do them any good either. >>> >>> Keep safe >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13 Mar 2020, at 13 Mar . 11:36, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>>> It seems to me that the best we can hope for is to get a mild dose, if there is such a thing, so that we build up an immunity rather than avoid it and fall victim to the second wave. If we do by some miracle escape this time, we hope there's a vaccine developed before the next round. >>>> It seems unclear at present as to whether the same person can be infected twice but the virus might mutate like flu anyway so that any vaccine becomes a lottery. >>>> It's fascinating that viruses somehow "know" that they can't kill everyone and are self-limiting or they would be left without hosts and die themselves. >>>> >>>> We face an uncertain future and I hope and pray that we can do so with wisdom, fortitude, peace and calm, whatever the outcome, >>>> >>>> Geoff Hawkes >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Announce On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via Announce >>>> Sent: 13 March 2020 10:40 >>>> To: announce at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day >>>> >>>> >>>>> Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - >>>> Perhaps the reason was a good one;} >>>> >>>> The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. >>>> >>>> For instance... >>>> >>>> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >>>> >>>> If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. >>>> >>>> Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. >>>> >>>> What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>>> /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every >>>>> morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 >>>>> seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without >>>>> discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no >>>>> Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // // //In >>>>> critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with >>>>> clean air. >>>>> >>>>> Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: >>>>> Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take >>>>> a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus >>>>> gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them >>>>> down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your >>>>> stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water >>>>> more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. >>>>> That's very dangerous. // >>>>> // >>>>> //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // >>>>> //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a >>>>> common cold // //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny >>>>> nose. // //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed >>>>> by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // //4. If >>>>> someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the >>>>> ground and is no longer airborne. // //5. If it drops on a metal >>>>> surface it will live for at least 12 hours >>>>> - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands >>>>> as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // //6. On fabric it can >>>>> survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // //7. >>>>> Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink >>>>> liquids with ice.// //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can >>>>> only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen >>>>> during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly >>>>> and so on. // //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple >>>>> solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // //10. Can't emphasis >>>>> enough - drink plenty of water! // //THE SYMPTOMS // //1. It will >>>>> first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days >>>>> // //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the >>>>> trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 >>>>> days further. // //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and >>>>> difficulty in breathing. // //4. The nasal congestion is not like the >>>>> normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then >>>>> seek immediate attention./ >>>> -- >>>> Announce mailing list >>>> Announce at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 16:42:47 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 21:42:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] PS Message-ID: Sorry, I should have said 'Ooh, you are AWFUL!' , I did enough Dick Emery shows to have known the correct phrase (little s**t though he was!). The audience warmer-upper, Felix Bowness, had the audience in hysterics before and during recording breaks but when DE came back from make-up the audience were pretty quiet and the producer was told to tell Felix to calm it down! Richard Waring, as another warmer-upper, was a different kettle of fish.? Working from a script it was the same for every show, which we knew off by heart! One week we put a change-over key in his moving-coil mic feed and when he told his usual limp joke we played the punch-line back through the mike, which completely phased him! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 16:48:58 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 21:48:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar Message-ID: I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! Don't these people go to school? Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 18:51:00 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 23:51:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] PS Message-ID: Sorry, I should have said 'Ooh, you are AWFUL!' , I did enough Dick Emery shows to have known the correct phrase (little s**t though he was!). The audience warmer-upper, Felix Bowness, had the audience in hysterics before and during recording breaks but when DE came back from make-up the audience were pretty quiet and the producer was told to tell Felix to calm it down! Richard Waring, as another warmer-upper, was a different kettle of fish.? Working from a script it was the same for every show, which we knew off by heart! One week we put a change-over key in his moving-coil mic feed and when he told his usual limp joke we played the punch-line back through the mike, which completely phased him! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 13 18:51:47 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 23:51:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar Message-ID: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! Don't these people go to school? Cheers, Dave From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 14 03:09:14 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 08:09:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] PS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When TV personalities pass away, stories sometimes circulate amongst crews about what a nasty bit of work they were. Most of us would probably include many of the same people on our personal list of baddies. On the other hand, there are some who have left behind joyous memories and you don't hear bad things about them after they have passed away. In that latter category I would put Bruce Forsyth. Now I would start by saying that his television persona never appealed to me, it just wasn't my sort of thing, but I worked with him quite a few times and he was always a delight to work with. One particular recording I did with him was in the mid 1970s with his one man show from the New London Theatre. We recorded the same show several times on successive days in order to pick out the best bits in the edit. He did his own warm up and I thought that was by far the best bit of each day. He could work a live audience in a way that I've never seen anybody else match. Each warm up was unique and tailored to that particular audience. There was one thing he did which I felt was ingenious and demonstrated an astute understanding of how audiences work and also how television works. During his warm up he would tell the audience that he had just heard a rather risqu? joke which he could never use on TV, but as they were such a great audience he would like to share it with them. He told the joke and it was indeed an especially funny joke. Once we started recording the show, whenever there was a recording break, instead of the floor manager prompting the audience to laugh in order to cover the edit, Brucie would quietly repeat the punch line of that gag to himself and chuckled along with it. The audience naturally laughed along with him and it allowed a flawless edit into the new recording. He did exactly the same thing each night with the same joke. Sheer genius and much respect to the man. Alan Taylor On 13 Mar 2020, at 13 Mar . 23:51, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Sorry, I should have said 'Ooh, you are AWFUL!' , I did enough Dick Emery shows to have known the correct phrase (little s**t though he was!). The audience warmer-upper, Felix Bowness, had the audience in hysterics before and during recording breaks but when DE came back from make-up the audience were pretty quiet and the producer was told to tell Felix to calm it down! Richard Waring, as another warmer-upper, was a different kettle of fish. Working from a script it was the same for every show, which we knew off by heart! One week we put a change-over key in his moving-coil mic feed and when he told his usual limp joke we played the punch-line back through the mike, which completely phased him! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 03:53:25 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 08:53:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Visible and Invisible Performance - research In-Reply-To: <2040034373.742575.1584131447505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <46ead677-72c5-1caf-2863-eda523480243@gmail.com> <2040034373.742575.1584131447505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <643ec719-34b3-85ee-356c-42d2e32323fc@btinternet.com> Roger triggers the memory bank, with 'The Trad Fad' of 1961 as precedent of Tom's OGWT inventiveness. Director/Producer Johnnie Stewart led the way in trusting the cameraman's contribution to the dance. Recall has it that between myself and Brian Kingston on 3 & 4 for Crew 6 (?)? in TC3, we carried more than our fair share of unrehearsed shots, with a memorable call from Johnny of 'Hugh; I don't know what it is, but I'm taking it'. 'It' was a close-up of the mouth of a 'Temperance Seven' trombone - an amorphous mix of rimless reflections - that pulled out to most of the band. And I mean 'pulled out' 'cos the early zooms with their great mass out front, were the ruination of the camera and operator in a mobile partnership. Of course in B + W, and I'd guess that would have been 405 lines. Can anyone identify any saved recordings? Hugh On 13-Mar-20 8:30 PM, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Alec, and all, > high > You've got me thinking about L.E., which I hadn't been. > > Camera performances on Light Entertainment programmes can be extremely > 'Visible" i.e. wildly hurtling swoops, even when the artistes are > relatively stationary. This would seem to defy the TV Drama convention > of pretending that the cameras don't exist. In L.E. the cameras > overtly exist, and their spectacular movements are part of the > entertainment. But, of course, there are two justifications for this - > A: no one pretends that L.E. is real life, and, B: the music. The > timing of camera movements in L.E. is motivated by the tempo of the > music. Cameras become part of the general ballet. > > R.E. Improvised Camerawork in L.E. (In ye olde days, when we were > young, long-haired, and the music was much better!) > > Old Grey Whistle Test in Pres. B, directed by Tom Corcoran, when the > cameras were manned by three young(-ish) idiots, with no real crew > structure. > ????Tom didn't really rehearse the music numbers. The cameras would > offer shots. Tom would cut up the ones he liked, and tell you to look > elsewhere if he didn't. There was always a certain humorous > competitiveness, trying to clock-up a higher score of shots than your > colleagues. Just keep monitoring output on Viewfinder Mix, and always > offer something compatible with the shot currently on air. On one > occasion, in the psychedelic early seventies, we were each trying to > push the limits, by inventing shots that were ever more avant-garde > and unconventional (i.e. silly). Could we find a shot that was so > bizarre that even Tom Corcoran would think we had gone too far? I > think I was the first across the line. My shot showed the lead > singer's face, bottom two thirds of frame, with the drum kit directly > behind him, such that two symbols grew out of his head, like Mickey > Mouse ears, and the drum sticks appeared to be pounding on his hair. > Tom laughed, but declined my kind offer. After that we settled down a bit. > > The "In Concert" series (early 1970s) directed by Stan Dorfman, at > Television Theatre. > ????This followed a similar pattern. By way of rehearsal, the bands > would play their music and the camera crew would look for possible > shots, but nothing would be tied down. The recording would be largely > ad lib. This time, the formal crew structure - it was Ron Peverall's > crew - restrained our wilder excesses. (This is where I realise that > I'd be useless as a name-dropper, because I can't remember the names > of the bands/groups/musician involved. The only ones who spring to > mind are Buddy Rich and Ravi Shankar. In the latter case, the P.A. > made a heroic attempt at counting bars, before admitting defeat!) > ? ? A tricks learned - If you find a really original, distinctive > shot, try not to feature it too strongly during rehearsals because, > when you repeated on recording, Stan was likely to say, "Seen it!" and > ask for something different - forgetting that he'd only seen it on > rehearsal, and hadn't actually recorded it! > ????One exception - Inspired by '2001: a Space Odyssey', I was > experimenting with shot compositions, in which the key elements were > arranged vertically, rather than side by side. I found an interesting > high(-ish) shot in which two back-lit folk singers were aligned > vertically. Stan Dorfman liked it, "It's like a piece of Sculpture," > he cried, and asked me to recreate it on recording. But then he put it > through a colour synthesiser, turning into an abstract pattern which, > I felt, rather spoiled my original design concept! > ????You also had to be careful what shots you offered, since you > didn't know what Stan might ask you to do with them. I was offering a > low shot, from beneath a drum kit, looking steeply up at the drummers > face through defocussed cymbals. To achieve this, I had squeezed my > ped into a confined space, and was lying on my back on the floor. Stan > liked the shot, cut it up, and said, "You've got eight bars - > Develop!" Having rendered myself virtually immobile, I could only zoom > out, until the lens was wide enough to risk a wobbly crawl backwards, > before moving out and up to something more frontal. Fortunately, when > Stan said, "Develop", he didn't specify a direction or end objective. > That was up to you. (I now find it difficult to believe that I was > ever that young and flexible!) > > luv, Rog. > > On Thursday, 12 March 2020, 14:31:26 GMT, Alec Bray > wrote: > > > Hello Douglas, > > On 12/03/2020 10:56, Douglas Mcnaughton wrote: >> Should i contact people individually, or would you like to send out a >> short invitation (which I can write)?encouraging anyone interested in >> contributing?to contact me direct? > > To contact the whole group, please sent your invitation to me, which I > will then distribute to the? Tech Ops group? (Bernie has set up a > protected emailer).? From then on, please contact people individually! > (-and anything you don't want, you could forward for the tech ops web > site!) > > Tony is Tony *Grant* (not Tony Crake)? - my error, so many apologies!? > I am sure that you could contact Alan Taylor, Tony Grant and Roger > Bunce right away. (copied on this email). > > We were interested in the ADAPT project right from the get-go, and > wished to work with the project.? However, the project focussed on the > re-enactment of an Outside Broadcast rather than a Studio production, > and things went very quiet as far as Tech Ops were concerned. You > might have guessed that the first version of the Doc Spec I sent was > prepared with the ADAPT project in mind. > > As in any industry - there is a bright idea, the team(s) struggle to > implement it and ultimately succeed, then an enterprising person or > company provides a means to do the same thing easier, quicker, cheaper > ...Or a new technology is provided which team(s) apply to their > everyday jobs which expands the productivity, scope or ultimate > outcomes of their work,? We can see this happening in the world of > Television - which is why we included some reference to the > development of technical operations (including development of domestic > receiving sets and camera? mountings) .? Roger Bunce has lots to > contribute on this subject. > > We all are looking forward to a possible co-operation and > collaboration with your research! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sat Mar 14 04:21:48 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 09:21:48 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] PS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99C610CCFF1346D98AE3C395ABF11B75@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Or fazed even! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 11:51 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] PS Sorry, I should have said 'Ooh, you are AWFUL!' , I did enough Dick Emery shows to have known the correct phrase (little s**t though he was!). The audience warmer-upper, Felix Bowness, had the audience in hysterics before and during recording breaks but when DE came back from make-up the audience were pretty quiet and the producer was told to tell Felix to calm it down! Richard Waring, as another warmer-upper, was a different kettle of fish. Working from a script it was the same for every show, which we knew off by heart! One week we put a change-over key in his moving-coil mic feed and when he told his usual limp joke we played the punch-line back through the mike, which completely phased him! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 04:54:06 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 09:54:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day In-Reply-To: References: <93d1d9c1-449f-3524-ebde-92547711a857@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <2698ac97-e023-4794-ab9a-89567d863a42@gmail.com> Personally, I'm largely ignoring all this, as far as my investments are concerned. I did nothing in 2008 and I'm doing nothing now - apart from some dividend cash that appeared the other day. I put it into Royal Dutch Shell in the hope that all this is temporary, and that RDS will still be there in a few weeks time.? If it isn't, there'll be far bigger things to worry about than whether a few quid went missing. B On 13/03/2020 21:37, Mike Giles via Announce wrote: > I?ve proved that drinking water at frequent intervals keeps the virus at bay because I?ve done it whilst walking today and I haven?t caught the virus?. I also ate something green at tea-time, which must therefore have been cabbage! But I think I?ve probably caught a cold on the stock exchange. > > Mike G > >> On 13 Mar 2020, at 10:40, Chris Woolf via Announce wrote: >> >> ? >>> Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - >> Perhaps the reason was a good one;} >> >> The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. >> >> For instance... >> >> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >> >> If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. >> >> Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. >> >> What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >>> /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // >>> // >>> //In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. >>> >>> Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: >>> Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. // >>> // >>> //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // >>> //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold // >>> //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose. // >>> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >>> //4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne. // >>> //5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // >>> //6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // >>> //7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.// >>> //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on. // >>> //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // >>> //10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water! // >>> //THE SYMPTOMS // >>> //1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days // >>> //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. // >>> //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. // >>> //4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention./ >> -- >> Announce mailing list >> Announce at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 05:50:26 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 10:50:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] PS In-Reply-To: <99C610CCFF1346D98AE3C395ABF11B75@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <99C610CCFF1346D98AE3C395ABF11B75@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <02267526-6b5c-fc68-0e34-9dd216c4fe1c@btinternet.com> Oops, another typo! Thanks, Dave On 14/03/2020 09:21, David Newbitt wrote: > Or fazed even! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Friday, > March 13, 2020 11:51 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] PS > Sorry, I should have said 'Ooh, you are AWFUL!' , I did enough Dick > Emery shows to have known the correct phrase (little s**t though he > was!). The audience warmer-upper, Felix Bowness, had the audience in > hysterics before and during recording breaks but when DE came back > from make-up the audience were pretty quiet and the producer was told > to tell Felix to calm it down! Richard Waring, as another > warmer-upper, was a different kettle of fish.? Working from a script > it was the same for every show, which we knew off by heart! One week > we put a change-over key in his moving-coil mic feed and when he told > his usual limp joke we played the punch-line back through the mike, > which completely phased him! Cheers, Dave > > From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 14 05:56:04 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 10:56:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Visible and Invisible Performance - research Message-ID: ?The EMI 2001, as I know you all know, had the lens inside the camera body, with the tubes at the back. I?m not a cameraman, but it was obvious to me that by placing the internal focal point of the lens over the centre axis of the pan head, a pan was a pan and not a sweeping sideways movement. You could see the difference it made. Dabbling in, and rejecting Film as a career path, I always thought the Moy geared head was the daftest invention imaginable, clearly designed so that three people were needed to operate pan/tilt, aperture andfocus, and clapper-loading, plus, of course, a Grip to move the camera. And then on top of all that, video assist! I was totally convinced that ACTT minimum crewing numbers had something to do with that - as it was (and still is?) in the sound dept, where you had to have a four person sound crew huddled around a Nagra, even if at least one of them had nothing to do! I could bore you endlessly with stories around that topic - but won?t. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 14 Mar 2020, at 08:54, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: [snip]?........ And I mean 'pulled out' 'cos the early zooms with their great mass out front, were the ruination of the camera and operator in a mobile partnership......... Hugh On 13-Mar-20 8:30 PM, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Hi Alec, and all, high You've got me thinking about L.E., which I hadn't been. Camera performances on Light Entertainment programmes can be extremely 'Visible" i.e. wildly hurtling swoops, even when the artistes are relatively stationary. This would seem to defy the TV Drama convention of pretending that the cameras don't exist. In L.E. the cameras overtly exist, and their spectacular movements are part of the entertainment. But, of course, there are two justifications for this - A: no one pretends that L.E. is real life, and, B: the music. The timing of camera movements in L.E. is motivated by the tempo of the music. Cameras become part of the general ballet. R.E. Improvised Camerawork in L.E. (In ye olde days, when we were young, long-haired, and the music was much better!) Old Grey Whistle Test in Pres. B, directed by Tom Corcoran, when the cameras were manned by three young(-ish) idiots, with no real crew structure. Tom didn't really rehearse the music numbers. The cameras would offer shots. Tom would cut up the ones he liked, and tell you to look elsewhere if he didn't. There was always a certain humorous competitiveness, trying to clock-up a higher score of shots than your colleagues. Just keep monitoring output on Viewfinder Mix, and always offer something compatible with the shot currently on air. On one occasion, in the psychedelic early seventies, we were each trying to push the limits, by inventing shots that were ever more avant-garde and unconventional (i.e. silly). Could we find a shot that was so bizarre that even Tom Corcoran would think we had gone too far? I think I was the first across the line. My shot showed the lead singer's face, bottom two thirds of frame, with the drum kit directly behind him, such that two symbols grew out of his head, like Mickey Mouse ears, and the drum sticks appeared to be pounding on his hair. Tom laughed, but declined my kind offer. After that we settled down a bit. The "In Concert" series (early 1970s) directed by Stan Dorfman, at Television Theatre. This followed a similar pattern. By way of rehearsal, the bands would play their music and the camera crew would look for possible shots, but nothing would be tied down. The recording would be largely ad lib. This time, the formal crew structure - it was Ron Peverall's crew - restrained our wilder excesses. (This is where I realise that I'd be useless as a name-dropper, because I can't remember the names of the bands/groups/musician involved. The only ones who spring to mind are Buddy Rich and Ravi Shankar. In the latter case, the P.A. made a heroic attempt at counting bars, before admitting defeat!) A tricks learned - If you find a really original, distinctive shot, try not to feature it too strongly during rehearsals because, when you repeated on recording, Stan was likely to say, "Seen it!" and ask for something different - forgetting that he'd only seen it on rehearsal, and hadn't actually recorded it! One exception - Inspired by '2001: a Space Odyssey', I was experimenting with shot compositions, in which the key elements were arranged vertically, rather than side by side. I found an interesting high(-ish) shot in which two back-lit folk singers were aligned vertically. Stan Dorfman liked it, "It's like a piece of Sculpture," he cried, and asked me to recreate it on recording. But then he put it through a colour synthesiser, turning into an abstract pattern which, I felt, rather spoiled my original design concept! You also had to be careful what shots you offered, since you didn't know what Stan might ask you to do with them. I was offering a low shot, from beneath a drum kit, looking steeply up at the drummers face through defocussed cymbals. To achieve this, I had squeezed my ped into a confined space, and was lying on my back on the floor. Stan liked the shot, cut it up, and said, "You've got eight bars - Develop!" Having rendered myself virtually immobile, I could only zoom out, until the lens was wide enough to risk a wobbly crawl backwards, before moving out and up to something more frontal. Fortunately, when Stan said, "Develop", he didn't specify a direction or end objective. That was up to you. (I now find it difficult to believe that I was ever that young and flexible!) luv, Rog. On Thursday, 12 March 2020, 14:31:26 GMT, Alec Bray wrote: Hello Douglas, On 12/03/2020 10:56, Douglas Mcnaughton wrote: Should i contact people individually, or would you like to send out a short invitation (which I can write) encouraging anyone interested in contributing to contact me direct? To contact the whole group, please sent your invitation to me, which I will then distribute to the Tech Ops group (Bernie has set up a protected emailer). From then on, please contact people individually! (-and anything you don't want, you could forward for the tech ops web site!) Tony is Tony Grant (not Tony Crake) - my error, so many apologies! I am sure that you could contact Alan Taylor, Tony Grant and Roger Bunce right away. (copied on this email). We were interested in the ADAPT project right from the get-go, and wished to work with the project. However, the project focussed on the re-enactment of an Outside Broadcast rather than a Studio production, and things went very quiet as far as Tech Ops were concerned. You might have guessed that the first version of the Doc Spec I sent was prepared with the ADAPT project in mind. As in any industry - there is a bright idea, the team(s) struggle to implement it and ultimately succeed, then an enterprising person or company provides a means to do the same thing easier, quicker, cheaper ...Or a new technology is provided which team(s) apply to their everyday jobs which expands the productivity, scope or ultimate outcomes of their work, We can see this happening in the world of Television - which is why we included some reference to the development of technical operations (including development of domestic receiving sets and camera mountings) . Roger Bunce has lots to contribute on this subject. We all are looking forward to a possible co-operation and collaboration with your research! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sat Mar 14 06:23:27 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 11:23:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day In-Reply-To: <2698ac97-e023-4794-ab9a-89567d863a42@gmail.com> References: <2698ac97-e023-4794-ab9a-89567d863a42@gmail.com> Message-ID: <65817376-4C02-409A-B4CF-2B2D426116D2@mac.com> Yes indeed, Bernie - mine was a lighthearted observation and, like you, I think it best not to look at your personal figures at times like these. But I am pleased that I was slow to respond to my financial adviser?s insistence that I move my Premium Bonds into an ISA just after Christmas! But I expect that I shall leave it too late when I do take action and things will already be well on the way to recovery. Crystal ball anyone? Mike G > On 14 Mar 2020, at 09:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Personally, I'm largely ignoring all this, as far as my investments are concerned. > > I did nothing in 2008 and I'm doing nothing now - apart from some dividend cash that appeared the other day. I put it into Royal Dutch Shell in the hope that all this is temporary, and that RDS will still be there in a few weeks time. If it isn't, there'll be far bigger things to worry about than whether a few quid went missing. > > B > > > On 13/03/2020 21:37, Mike Giles via Announce wrote: >> I?ve proved that drinking water at frequent intervals keeps the virus at bay because I?ve done it whilst walking today and I haven?t caught the virus?. I also ate something green at tea-time, which must therefore have been cabbage! But I think I?ve probably caught a cold on the stock exchange. >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 13 Mar 2020, at 10:40, Chris Woolf via Announce wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - >>> Perhaps the reason was a good one;} >>> >>> The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. >>> >>> For instance... >>> >>> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >>> >>> If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. >>> >>> Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. >>> >>> What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>>> /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // >>>> // >>>> //In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. >>>> >>>> Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: >>>> Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. // >>>> // >>>> //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // >>>> //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold // >>>> //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose. // >>>> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >>>> //4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne. // >>>> //5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // >>>> //6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // >>>> //7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.// >>>> //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on. // >>>> //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // >>>> //10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water! // >>>> //THE SYMPTOMS // >>>> //1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days // >>>> //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. // >>>> //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. // >>>> //4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention./ >>> -- >>> Announce mailing list >>> Announce at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/announce_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 06:36:58 2020 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 11:36:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) He probably went to school in ArkanSASS ..... Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 13 March 2020 23:51 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Grammar I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! Don't these people go to school? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Sat Mar 14 06:38:30 2020 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 11:38:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nice to Work With, to Work With Nice Message-ID: <5FACA95A-293F-4557-AB03-7B26D7B980AB@vincent68.plus.com> Did many series of Generation Game with Bruce. Happy times! He loved that relationship with a live audience, but in a TV studio he didn?t like the cameras getting in the way. ? ?They?re all bunching up? he?d complain to the Producer. Some of my nominations of lovely people to work with are Bob Monkhouse, Paul Daniels and Su Pollard. You may not like the public image but they were a joy to work with. John V Sent from my iPad From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 06:42:42 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 11:42:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] [Announce] Disorganised disorganised till another day In-Reply-To: <65817376-4C02-409A-B4CF-2B2D426116D2@mac.com> References: <2698ac97-e023-4794-ab9a-89567d863a42@gmail.com> <65817376-4C02-409A-B4CF-2B2D426116D2@mac.com> Message-ID: <42F6ADAD-3065-4DC9-A53A-6F96C4F86A8A@btinternet.com> Even though many rates have dropped, the top cash ISAs and normal savings will generally pay higher returns. Even though their rates are not dissimilar to the Premium Bonds 'interest rate', it's a lucky person who'll actually break even with that rate. Premium Bonds are all about your mentality. They do protect your cash, so even if the returns don't look a good bet, it's fine to put a non-significant portion of your money in them, provided you're aware it's more for fun than returns. Before deciding, use the calculator to look at the real odds. If you're willing to take the gamble after that, then it's fine. Many people often think: "I'm likely to get about 1.4% and there's a small chance of winning a million". But the main point is that this isn't correct. You're actually likely to get quite a lot less than 1.4%, and there's a negligible chance of winning a million. If you know and you're OK with this, then investing in Premium Bonds isn't a bad plan. > On 14 Mar 2020, at 11:23, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Yes indeed, Bernie - mine was a lighthearted observation and, like you, I think it best not to look at your personal figures at times like these. But I am pleased that I was slow to respond to my financial adviser?s insistence that I move my Premium Bonds into an ISA just after Christmas! But I expect that I shall leave it too late when I do take action and things will already be well on the way to recovery. Crystal ball anyone? > > Mike G > > >> On 14 Mar 2020, at 09:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Personally, I'm largely ignoring all this, as far as my investments are concerned. >> >> I did nothing in 2008 and I'm doing nothing now - apart from some dividend cash that appeared the other day. I put it into Royal Dutch Shell in the hope that all this is temporary, and that RDS will still be there in a few weeks time. If it isn't, there'll be far bigger things to worry about than whether a few quid went missing. >> >> B >> >> >> On 13/03/2020 21:37, Mike Giles via Announce wrote: >>> I?ve proved that drinking water at frequent intervals keeps the virus at bay because I?ve done it whilst walking today and I haven?t caught the virus?. I also ate something green at tea-time, which must therefore have been cabbage! But I think I?ve probably caught a cold on the stock exchange. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 13 Mar 2020, at 10:40, Chris Woolf via Announce wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>>> Brian White tried to pass this on, but it bounced for some reason - >>>> Perhaps the reason was a good one;} >>>> >>>> The information seems to have been going the rounds but is clearly a terrible mash-up of a little bit of real information and a total load of bunk. >>>> >>>> For instance... >>>> >>>> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >>>> >>>> If this was true the virus would die immedaitely it tried to colonise our 37?C bodies. >>>> >>>> Much of the rest of the info about drinking warm water, gargling, and how long the virus lasts on different surfaces has no basis in fact at all, and seems mostly to be a reinforcing of personal foibles. >>>> >>>> What worries me is how many people will believe this sort of nonsense. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>>> /Taiwan experts provide a simple self-check that we can do every morning. Take a deep breath and hold your breath for more than 10 seconds. If you complete it successfully without coughing, without discomfort, stiffness or tightness, etc., it proves there is no Fibrosis in the lungs, basically indicates no infection. // >>>>> // >>>>> //In critical time, please self-check every morning in an environment with clean air. >>>>> >>>>> Serious excellent advice by Japanese doctors treating COVID-19 cases: >>>>> Everyone should ensure your mouth & throat are moist, never dry. Take a few sips of water every 15 minutes at least. Why? Even if the virus gets into your mouth, drinking water or other liquids will wash them down through your throat and into the stomach. Once there, your stomach acid will kill all the virus. If you don't drink enough water more regularly, the virus can enter your windpipe and into the lungs. That's very dangerous. // >>>>> // >>>>> //IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - // >>>>> //CORONAVIRUS 1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold // >>>>> //2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose. // >>>>> //3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 degrees. It hates the Sun. // >>>>> //4. If someone sneezes with it, it takes about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne. // >>>>> //5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with a bacterial soap. // >>>>> //6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it. // >>>>> //7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.// >>>>> //8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on. // >>>>> //9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice. // >>>>> //10. Can't emphasis enough - drink plenty of water! // >>>>> //THE SYMPTOMS // >>>>> //1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days // >>>>> //2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further. // >>>>> //3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing. // >>>>> //4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. 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URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Mar 14 07:10:24 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 12:10:24 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>(added by postmaster@btinternet.com) References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>(added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Message-ID: Well at least he wasn?t involved in the ?INNERNET? or building things out of ?ALUMINUM? and so ad infinitum! I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next floor and the sales assistant said ?Take the elevator? ? whatever that is!! Mike From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:36 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar He probably went to school in ArkanSASS ..... 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Mar 14 09:01:55 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 14:01:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)out-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <58512267fcdave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next > floor and the sales assistant said ?Take the elevator? ? whatever that > is!! Moving stairs? Found in many large stores and tube stations etc. More common than lifts, I'd say. -- *My designated driver drove me to drink Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 14 10:10:21 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:10:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>(added by postmaster@btinternet.com), Message-ID: My favourite bizarre American mispronunciation is ?soddering? as in soldering. It?s always worried me a little, what they do with their soldering irons! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 14 Mar 2020, at 12:11, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: ? Well at least he wasn?t involved in the ?INNERNET? or building things out of ?ALUMINUM? and so ad infinitum! I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next floor and the sales assistant said ?Take the elevator? ? whatever that is!! Mike From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:36 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar He probably went to school in ArkanSASS ..... Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 13 March 2020 23:51 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Grammar I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! Don't these people go to school? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 10:51:50 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:51:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <393890772.1105631.1584201110862@mail.yahoo.com> In fact, I'm told that the American 'Aluminum' predates the British 'Aluminium', just as their 'Railroads' pre-date out 'Railways'. But, to me, it is far more important to be British than to be right! luv, Rog. On Saturday, 14 March 2020, 12:11:23 GMT, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: Well at least he wasn?t involved in the ?INNERNET? or building things out of ?ALUMINUM? and so ad infinitum!?I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next floor and the sales assistant said ?Take the elevator? ? whatever that is!!?Mike?From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:36 AMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar? He probably went to school in ArkanSASS ..... ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 13 March 2020 23:51 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Grammar ? I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! Don't these people go to school? 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John V Sent from my iPad From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 11:07:02 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:07:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nice to Work With, to Work With Nice In-Reply-To: <7A54BA9B-6EAD-4554-A17E-89121F228EEC@vincent68.plus.com> References: <7A54BA9B-6EAD-4554-A17E-89121F228EEC@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: NOW?..actors were a different matter. Some charming some completely immersed in their character some could switch from listening to the football on their earpieces to a perfect performance. > On 14 Mar 2020, at 16:00, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > > Did many series of Generation Game with Bruce. Happy times! > > He loved that relationship with a live audience, but in a TV studio he didn?t like the cameras getting in the way. ? > ?They?re all bunching up? he?d complain to the Producer. > > Some of my nominations of lovely people to work with are Bob Monkhouse, Paul Daniels and Su Pollard. You may not like the public image but they were a joy to work with. > > John V > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Mar 14 11:31:01 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:31:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> Message-ID: <09b4904d-b082-11ad-30b8-b3c6fbeea7d4@howell61.f9.co.uk> Yes Mike, you have reminded me of one of my favorites (!): The Innernational Space Station, (presumably as opposed to the Outer National version> ........and as regards "take the elevator" the reply could be "Sure, where would you like it" John H. On 14/03/2020 12:10, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Well at least he wasn?t involved in the ?INNERNET? or building things > out of ?ALUMINUM? and so ad infinitum! > I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next > floor and the sales assistant said ?Take the elevator? ? whatever that > is!! > Mike > *From:* Vernon Dyer via Tech1 > *Sent:* Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:36 AM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Grammar > > He probably went to school in ArkanSASS ..... > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 > *Sent: *13 March 2020 23:51 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *[Tech1] Grammar > > I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the > > announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! > > Don't these people go to school? Cheers, Dave > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 11:33:52 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:33:52 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: <58512267fcdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)out-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <58512267fcdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <000001d5fa1e$59b25540$0d16ffc0$@gmail.com> I think you will find that's normally described as 'escalator'. Elevator is US English for the apparatus we would normally refer to as a 'Iift' Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 14 March 2020 14:02 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar In article , Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next > floor and the sales assistant said "Take the elevator. - whatever that > is!! Moving stairs? Found in many large stores and tube stations etc. More common than lifts, I'd say. -- *My designated driver drove me to drink Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 14 11:37:57 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:37:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nice to Work With, to Work With Nice In-Reply-To: <7A54BA9B-6EAD-4554-A17E-89121F228EEC@vincent68.plus.com> References: <7A54BA9B-6EAD-4554-A17E-89121F228EEC@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: I never got to work with Monkhouse, but agree 100% about Daniels and Pollard. Personally, the most likeable celeb I've worked with was Jeremy Beadle, which seems unlikely because his public persona was being Britain's most annoying man - a role he played brilliantly when on-screen. I worked with him a few times before he became famous. He used to be part-time ringmaster for Gerry Cottle's Circus at the time when we did Seaside Special and I also worked with him on a Paul Daniels series where he was doing the sort of pranks and japes which he later became famous for ( his female counterpart was Pamela Stevenson, who was lovely too ). Many years later I worked with him for a lengthy period and spent a hell of a lot of free time chatting with him. He had an encyclopaedic mind and could go off on the most incredible tangents during conversations making bizarre connections between topics we had been discussing. Those who know me in real life will know that such nonsense appeals to me very much. Alan Taylor On 14 Mar 2020, at 14 Mar . 16:00, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > Did many series of Generation Game with Bruce. Happy times! > > He loved that relationship with a live audience, but in a TV studio he didn?t like the cameras getting in the way. ? > ?They?re all bunching up? he?d complain to the Producer. > > Some of my nominations of lovely people to work with are Bob Monkhouse, Paul Daniels and Su Pollard. You may not like the public image but they were a joy to work with. > > John V > > Sent from my iPad > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 14 11:41:29 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:41:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Nice to Work With, to Work With Nice In-Reply-To: <5FACA95A-293F-4557-AB03-7B26D7B980AB@vincent68.plus.com> References: <5FACA95A-293F-4557-AB03-7B26D7B980AB@vincent68.plus.com> Message-ID: It?s when you get to be with people like Bruce away from work that you really get to know them. I can?t remember who it was for, but I was once lucky enough to work on a doco-style profile of Bruce. Three of us (director, cameraman, and sound), spent a fair bit of time at his Wentworth home, where we were literally treated as guests. Fabulous lovely guy! One thing that impressed me a lot was his genuine interest in us: ?You must have filmed lots of interesting people and places!? And it definitely wasn?t just small-talk. Ditto, Bob Monkhouse, who said: ?Bring your swimming cozzies, it?s going to be a hot sunny day tomorrow, we?ll do it by the pool?. And so we did. The ?piece? was actually more about his vintage film archive and home cinema than what the public knew him for. And I would rate Harry Secombe high on the list too. On several occasions we recorded him doing ?links? for ?Highway? at home in his Shamley Green garden, and singing hymns and songs, live vocal to tape backing tracks. Once the job was done, we were invariably invited to stay on until long after the Sun went down, for a barbecue. And another, who might surprise you is Esther Rantzen. Filming (videoing!) her for a gardening programme at her idyllic New Forest house, fairly soon after Desmond died. Behind the public image that many of us knew from working on That?s Life!, was/is a truly lovely person. And so many more - I think I?ve had an exceptionally privileged and lucky time in the ?biz?. Happy days and memories! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 14 Mar 2020, at 11:38, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Did many series of Generation Game with Bruce. Happy times! > > He loved that relationship with a live audience, but in a TV studio he didn?t like the cameras getting in the way. ? > ?They?re all bunching up? he?d complain to the Producer. > > Some of my nominations of lovely people to work with are Bob Monkhouse, Paul Daniels and Su Pollard. You may not like the public image but they were a joy to work with. > John V From waresound at msn.com Sat Mar 14 11:48:50 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:48:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: <09b4904d-b082-11ad-30b8-b3c6fbeea7d4@howell61.f9.co.uk> References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> , <09b4904d-b082-11ad-30b8-b3c6fbeea7d4@howell61.f9.co.uk> Message-ID: And as Dave D will verify, for all our many years at Wimbledon for NBC Sports, it was always Wimpleton, not Wimbledon! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 14 Mar 2020, at 16:31, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: ? Yes Mike, you have reminded me of one of my favorites (!): The Innernational Space Station, (presumably as opposed to the Outer National version> ........and as regards "take the elevator" the reply could be "Sure, where would you like it" John H. On 14/03/2020 12:10, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: Well at least he wasn?t involved in the ?INNERNET? or building things out of ?ALUMINUM? and so ad infinitum! I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next floor and the sales assistant said ?Take the elevator? ? whatever that is!! Mike From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:36 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar He probably went to school in ArkanSASS ..... Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 13 March 2020 23:51 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Grammar I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! Don't these people go to school? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 14 11:56:30 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 16:56:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: <393890772.1105631.1584201110862@mail.yahoo.com> References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <393890772.1105631.1584201110862@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <21E0ADD1-130A-4B5B-A087-1486B51E2A5B@btinternet.com> When I was in Atlanta doing the Olympics on my way to the IBC a soldier asked me, not that politely, to walk on the ?pavement" which I thought I was doing, so told him so! He repeated this a couple of times before I discovered that ?pavement? in America was the road and "sidewalk? was the pavement! Strange people. One for the train buffs; why can I say Victoria Coach Station but not allowed to say Victoria Train Station? Barry. On 14 Mar 2020, at 15:51, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > In fact, I'm told that the American 'Aluminum' predates the British 'Aluminium', just as their 'Railroads' pre-date out 'Railways'. > > But, to me, it is far more important to be British than to be right! > > luv, Rog. > > > On Saturday, 14 March 2020, 12:11:23 GMT, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > > Well at least he wasn?t involved in the ?INNERNET? or building things out of ?ALUMINUM? and so ad infinitum! > > I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next floor and the sales assistant said ?Take the elevator? ? whatever that is!! > > Mike > > From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 11:36 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar > > He probably went to school in ArkanSASS ..... > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 13 March 2020 23:51 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] Grammar > > > I was watching 'Box Nation' on Freeview the other night and the > > announcer introduced the next fight as coming from 'TUKSON', Arizona! > > Don't these people go to school? Cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk Sat Mar 14 12:35:41 2020 From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:35:41 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: <58512267fcdave@davesound.co.uk> References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)out-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <58512267fcdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: I am all for pedantry Elevator: mainly US and Canadian a platform, compartment, or cage raised or lowered in a vertical shaft to transport persons or goods in a building. Also called (in Britain and certain other countries): lift Escalator: a continuously moving stairway on an endless loop for carrying passengers up or down. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 14 March 2020 14:02 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar In article , Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next > floor and the sales assistant said "Take the elevator. - whatever that > is!! Moving stairs? Found in many large stores and tube stations etc. More common than lifts, I'd say. -- *My designated driver drove me to drink Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Mar 14 12:56:10 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 17:56:10 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> postmaster@btinternet.com)out-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <58512267fcdave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <83C25BB572DD4694A644FE29CF8B5B5A@Gigabyte> Not forgetting the original moving staircase that went up, around to side and down again rather then going back underneath the section. Since it turned clockwise, people wanting to get off at the top were hurled off on the left - hence why we walk on the left hand side on escalators to be ready to jump off! To confuse tourists and why some stations have blue footprints on the "standing" side. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Neil Dormand via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 5:35 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar I am all for pedantry Elevator: mainly US and Canadian a platform, compartment, or cage raised or lowered in a vertical shaft to transport persons or goods in a building. Also called (in Britain and certain other countries): lift Escalator: a continuously moving stairway on an endless loop for carrying passengers up or down. Neil -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But needless to say, it made her day, and therefore, mine too - a highly underrated nice guy. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. From techtone at protonmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:02:46 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 21:02:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Corona virus Message-ID: If you haven't already seen it, this Guardian article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/12/science-soap-kills-coronavirus-alcohol-based-disinfectants Which for some bizarre reason reminded me of studio cleanliness, remember we used to have studio attendants complete with brooms, mops and buckets? TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Sat Mar 14 16:43:22 2020 From: david.jasma at sky.com (david.jasma) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 21:43:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus Message-ID: My wife and I arrived in Madeira yesterday for a week. As we were leaving the plane we were given a form to fill in asking if we had been in any of the centres of infection. Then, as were leaving the airport, we had our temperatures taken with what looked like a small TV camera - obviously a digital thermometer. My wife commented afterwards that it was lucky blood pressures weren't being checked!However, things have changed drastically over the past few hours. The local government here have taken things into their own hands and decreed that any passengers arriving by air from midnight tonight will have to agree to self isolate for 14 days! However, talking to the receptionist a few minutes ago, it doesn't cover us as we are already here, so crossing fingers, we should be flying back this coming Friday 20th, assuming Easyjet continues flying into Madeira.Cruise ships were stopped from calling at Funchal some time back, and quite a number of museums and other areas that tours visits, are closed. We are booked for tour and one of the places is closed, but as it would cost extra to get in, we aren't that worried, but whether or not the tour will take place is another matter. In a similar vein buses are to run at 50% capacity.That's all from Madeira at the moment.Dave Buckley?Sent from Samsung tablet. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From timhum001 at gmail.com Sat Mar 14 16:59:43 2020 From: timhum001 at gmail.com (Tim Humphries) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 21:59:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Re Nice to work with to work with nice Message-ID: It is always delightful to discover that a famous person in showbis or other areas of life does not feel the need to generate respect by being pushy. There are those who do of course but in broadcasting, when they are in the studio or on location the good guys and gals seem to feel part of the team rather than the leader of it. Brucie certainly was one and I would add Ian McShane, Prince Charles and Lord Snowdon among others. I worked on several Lovejoy blocks and when that series ended I worked on Madson, a series written to keep Ian McShane on the BBC books. Sadly it did not have a second series and I asked the producer if it would be okay to send Ian a card saying I was sorry the series had stopped and wishing him well for the future. He said yes, go ahead and a week later I got a call at home from Ian thanking me for the gesture which was lovely and certainly not expected. I did a shoot with Snowdon in Venice, it was my first time abroad and I mentioned it to the crew, it was a first for Snowdon too, he had never traveled economy before! When we arrived in Venice and we had packed our kit on the boat to go to the hotel he asked us all whether anyone had not been to Venice before as he had done several stills shoots there the previous year and knew the place well. The crew pointed at me and said "he has never been abroad before"! So the first time I left the UK I was shown around Venice by Lord Snowdon and he did it like he was a mate he had known for years rather than a couple of weeks, I was the most junior member of the crew too. He deserves to be remembered for that which is why I mentioned it. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 06:37:15 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 11:37:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home Message-ID: <43ee0703-56ef-baea-fa70-3fcc96d53d07@gmail.com> The BBC website suggests that Matt Hancock is going to make those over 70 stay home - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873 "for quite some time". I don't quite see how that makes a difference. Someone will have to deliver stuff a lot, and they could well bring the virus with them. The person who delivers the newspapers for instance.? I don't see how not going on a healthy walk in the sunshine is going to get me. I already am washing my hands properly? - "Happy Birthday to you...." at every sensible moment. Meeting up with friends - if we don't kiss or shake hands or couch on each other seems safe enough too.? I might just avoid the Tube for a while though.... B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Sun Mar 15 07:17:50 2020 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 12:17:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home Message-ID: I would certainly avoid the tube The?Chinese medical study?analyzed the case of a Coronavirus carrier who infected other passengers in a bus who were up to 4.5 meters away from him, and the virus lingered in the air inside the bus even after the infected man got off the bus. A passenger who got on the bus a half-hour later was infected ? proving that the virus can linger in the air inside an enclosed space for at least a half-hour. As the South China Morning Post reported: ?Hu Shixiong, the lead author of the study who works for the Hunan Provincial Centre for Diseases Control and Prevention, said the security camera footage showed patient ?A? did not interact with others throughout the four-hour ride. But by the time the bus stopped at the next city, the virus had already jumped from the carrier to seven other passengers. These included not only people sitting relatively close to ?patient zero?, but also a couple of victims six rows from him ? roughly 4.5 meters away. They all later tested positive, including one passenger who displayed no symptoms of the disease. After these passengers left, another group got on the bus about 30 minutes later. One passenger sitting in the front row on the other side of the aisle also became infected. From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 15 07:50:49 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 12:50:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Studio Attendants (was Corona virus) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e6e24ab.1c69fb81.274b0.05c9@mx.google.com> Oh! Here?s a story: TVT - Pony on stage ? lifted tail and deposited. Floor Manager (think it was Paddy Russell, calls for ?studio attendant!? Voice from behind scenery: ?If it?s steaming, it?s Special Effects!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 14 March 2020 21:03 Subject: [Tech1] Corona reminded me of studio cleanliness, remember we used to have studio attendants complete with brooms, mops and buckets? TeaTeaFN - Tony -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Mar 15 07:55:30 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 12:55:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Studio Attendants (was Corona virus) In-Reply-To: <5e6e24ab.1c69fb81.274b0.05c9@mx.google.com> References: , <5e6e24ab.1c69fb81.274b0.05c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That?s the most shite story you?ve ever told, Pat! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 15 Mar 2020, at 12:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Oh! Here?s a story: TVT - Pony on stage ? lifted tail and deposited. Floor Manager (think it was Paddy Russell, calls for ?studio attendant!? Voice from behind scenery: ?If it?s steaming, it?s Special Effects!? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 14 March 2020 21:03 Subject: [Tech1] Corona reminded me of studio cleanliness, remember we used to have studio attendants complete with brooms, mops and buckets? TeaTeaFN - Tony [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 15 08:10:11 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:10:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e6e2935.1c69fb81.23e04.3fb6@mx.google.com> That is indeed scary ? I was a bit worried as I have just returned (a week ago) from a short break to Amsterdam, via Eurostar, now offering a direct service. Journeying from my home station, via the Victoria line was very crowded and people cough, sneeze and splutter, quite unthinkingly. Ditto the return leg. Eurostar probably OK, as maybe air-conditioned, has the ability, I would surmise, of taking in fresh air, unlike an aircraft which has re-circulated air, thus being a perfect way to offer all sorts of air-borne infections to be shared (would Ryanair charge extra?) Much use made of the Amsterdam transport ? Metro, trams, buses etc.) Anyone got any WW2 gas masks for disposal? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 Sent: 15 March 2020 12:18 To: tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home I would certainly avoid the tube The?Chinese medical study?analyzed the case of a Coronavirus carrier who infected other passengers in a bus who were up to 4.5 meters away from him, and the virus lingered in the air inside the bus even after the infected man got off the bus. A passenger who got on the bus a half-hour later was infected ? proving that the virus can linger in the air inside an enclosed space for at least a half-hour. As the South China Morning Post reported: ?Hu Shixiong, the lead author of the study who works for the Hunan Provincial Centre for Diseases Control and Prevention, said the security camera footage showed patient ?A? did not interact with others throughout the four-hour ride. But by the time the bus stopped at the next city, the virus had already jumped from the carrier to seven other passengers. These included not only people sitting relatively close to ?patient zero?, but also a couple of victims six rows from him ? roughly 4.5 meters away. They all later tested positive, including one passenger who displayed no symptoms of the disease. After these passengers left, another group got on the bus about 30 minutes later. One passenger sitting in the front row on the other side of the aisle also became infected. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 15 08:13:04 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:13:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Studio Attendants (was Corona virus) In-Reply-To: References: , <5e6e24ab.1c69fb81.274b0.05c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e6e29e2.1c69fb81.593f3.af7b@mx.google.com> Absolutely true ? I was there! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 15 March 2020 12:55 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Studio Attendants (was Corona virus) That?s the most shite story you?ve ever told, Pat! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 15 Mar 2020, at 12:51, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Oh! Here?s a story: TVT - Pony on stage ? lifted tail and deposited. Floor Manager (think it was Paddy Russell, calls for ?studio attendant!? Voice from behind scenery: ?If it?s steaming, it?s Special Effects!? ? Pat ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 14 March 2020 21:03 Subject: [Tech1] Corona ? reminded me of studio cleanliness, remember we used to have studio attendants complete with brooms, mops and buckets? ? TeaTeaFN - Tony ? ? ? ? Virus-free. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Mar 15 08:38:02 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 13:38:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: <43ee0703-56ef-baea-fa70-3fcc96d53d07@gmail.com> References: <43ee0703-56ef-baea-fa70-3fcc96d53d07@gmail.com> Message-ID: I?m personally fairly appalled at the knee jerk reactions to this coronavirus/ Covid 19 infection. It is apparently only a problem if you have a compromised immune system, true of any respiratory infection, and why it has been so whipped up into ?We?re all doomed?, remains unclear to me. All of ?Any Questions? was devoted to it, without an audience! I?ve just been to my local hospital for a (scheduled) echo-cardiogram, and my assessment was endorsed by staff there - ? but we have to follow the directives?! Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 15 Mar 2020, at 11:38, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The BBC website suggests that Matt Hancock is going to make those over 70 stay home - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873 "for quite some time". > > I don't quite see how that makes a difference. Someone will have to deliver stuff a lot, and they could well bring the virus with them. The person who delivers the newspapers for instance. I don't see how not going on a healthy walk in the sunshine is going to get me. I already am washing my hands properly - "Happy Birthday to you...." at every sensible moment. Meeting up with friends - if we don't kiss or shake hands or couch on each other seems safe enough too. I might just avoid the Tube for a while though.... > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Mar 15 09:01:19 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 14:01:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: References: <43ee0703-56ef-baea-fa70-3fcc96d53d07@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5851a62ff4dave@davesound.co.uk> The problem is likely to be if we hit a peak suddenly. With large numbers needing hospital care to survive. We saw the Chinese build new hospitals as needed, and apparently were able to equip them with the essentials needed too - not perhaps such a surprise since so much is made there anyway. It could well be this country couldn't source all the extra ventilators etc needed, given world wide demand is likely to be high. I'm old and lots of my friends and family are too. Some not in the best health either. It would be very sad if they are left to die simply through lack of facilities to cope with a peak which could be flattened out if we take basic precautions. In article , Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > I?m personally fairly appalled at the knee jerk reactions to this coronavirus/ Covid 19 infection. > It is apparently only a problem if you have a compromised immune system, true of any respiratory infection, and why it has been so whipped up into ?We?re all doomed?, remains unclear to me. All of ?Any Questions? was devoted to it, without an audience! > I?ve just been to my local hospital for a (scheduled) echo-cardiogram, and my assessment was endorsed by staff there - ? but we have to follow the directives?! -- *Do infants enjoy infancy as much as adults enjoy adultery? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Mar 15 09:37:55 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 14:37:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Grammar In-Reply-To: <000001d5fa1e$59b25540$0d16ffc0$@gmail.com> References: <88101986-1ddb-4e7b-1d65-c306e9a32227@btinternet.com> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <5E3A16DE05D53E2A@re-prd-rgout-003.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> <58512267fcdave@davesound.co.uk> <000001d5fa1e$59b25540$0d16ffc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5851a98a39dave@davesound.co.uk> Oops. ;-) I blame it on my age. Like everything else. In article <000001d5fa1e$59b25540$0d16ffc0$@gmail.com>, David Denness wrote: > I think you will find that's normally described as 'escalator'. Elevator is > US English for the apparatus we would normally refer to as a 'Iift' > Dave D > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via > Tech1 > Sent: 14 March 2020 14:02 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Grammar > In article , > Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > I was in John Lewis once and a customer asked how to get to the next > > floor and the sales assistant said "Take the elevator. - whatever that > > is!! > Moving stairs? Found in many large stores and tube stations etc. More common > than lifts, I'd say. > -- > *My designated driver drove me to drink > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- *Who is this General Failure chap anyway - and why is he reading my HD? * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 15 10:13:56 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:13:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dave Thomson Message-ID: <5e6e4636.1c69fb81.2d7f2.1564@mx.google.com> Has anyone got contact information for Dave Thomson? He was Grams on a Dr.Who series (The Faceless Ones) A guy that I have been in contact with for earlier series is tasked with remastering the 1960?s episodes and is trying to identify some of the music used. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun Mar 15 10:23:17 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 15:23:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dave Thomson In-Reply-To: <5e6e4636.1c69fb81.2d7f2.1564@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2p0rvqs1v8svk20d2p2nr0qf.1584285797396@pgtmedia.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterjohncombes at gmail.com Sun Mar 15 11:36:08 2020 From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:36:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: <43ee0703-56ef-baea-fa70-3fcc96d53d07@gmail.com> References: <43ee0703-56ef-baea-fa70-3fcc96d53d07@gmail.com> Message-ID: >From a trusted source: *You can always wash food that is delivered and eat pre-packaged food. All vegetables should be washed and all food cooked thoroughly. Wash hands and cart after returning from grocery store. Wash hands after cooking since the packaging may be contaminated. * * Young people tend to have a laid back attitude because the metrics indicate they?re not at risk, but they can be carriers for older people. CNN just interviewed the former CDC director who said at a 1% death rate, we could be looking at between 500k and 1.5 million deaths in the USA over the next six months if these containment measures don?t work. He also said people should be prepared to be out of work longer than 30 days.* Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 at 12:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > The BBC website suggests that Matt Hancock is going to make those over 70 > stay home - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51895873 "for quite some > time". > > I don't quite see how that makes a difference. Someone will have to > deliver stuff a lot, and they could well bring the virus with them. The > person who delivers the newspapers for instance. I don't see how not going > on a healthy walk in the sunshine is going to get me. I already am washing > my hands properly - "Happy Birthday to you...." at every sensible moment. > Meeting up with friends - if we don't kiss or shake hands or couch on each > other seems safe enough too. I might just avoid the Tube for a while > though.... > > B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 15 11:58:46 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 16:58:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dave Thomson In-Reply-To: <2p0rvqs1v8svk20d2p2nr0qf.1584285797396@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <2p0rvqs1v8svk20d2p2nr0qf.1584285797396@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: Dave and his wife, Avril, have attended a few 'disorganiseds'. He is heavily involved in setting-up High Wycombe local radio. Avril's e-mail address is - avril_thompson at hotmail.co.uk - and it worked the last time I used it!? (Tel. 01494712282 , Mobile 07773333605). Cheers, Dave On 15/03/2020 15:23, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > I have not spoken to him for several years. > I have sent the old details I have, directly > Hopefully email or mobile is still valid? > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network > *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Sent:* 15 March 2020 15:14 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Reply to:* pat.heigham at amps.net > *Subject:* [Tech1] Dave Thomson > > > Has anyone got contact information for Dave Thomson? > > He was Grams on a Dr.Who series (The Faceless Ones) > > A guy that I have been in contact with for earlier series > is tasked with remastering the 1960?s episodes and is trying > to identify some of the music used. > > Best > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Mar 15 12:15:10 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:15:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home Message-ID: Knee jerk? The only jerk is the one who doesn?t take it seriously. Here?s a perspective on the subject that you might not have considered: My wife was diagnosed with Sarcoidosis (look it up if you want) just over three and a half years ago, and has been on fairly nasty immune-suppressant drugs for all of that time. Initially, it was mis-diagnosed as Granulomatosis with Polyangiitis (formerly known as Wegener?s Disease, now ?GPA?), which would by now have been fatal. Fortunately that diagnosis proved to be wrong, but can you imagine how we felt at the time? She?s 57, (20 years younger than me), and her resistance to infection is currently near non-existent. For that reason I have no desire to bring home any virus or germs that I don?t have to, and I gladly follow any sensible advice and precautions. I suspect that your echo-cardiogram was conducted by technicians, not by viral experts, and whatever the directives are, that say they ?have? to follow, they shouldn?t be telling you otherwise. And that, especially because if you were in need of an echo-cardiogram, you are probably vulnerable! My daughter works in the High Dependancy Unit at Queen Mary?s Hospital, Paddington, and is part of the Critical Care team treating, at yesterday?s count, five positive-diagnosed Covid-19 patients, all of whom are unlikely to survive. Fortunately for her she?s 27 and physically fit, but nevertheless she knows she will inevitably get Covid-19 herself. She says she is - to use her own choice of word - scared. Her advice to us leaves nothing in doubt about the seriousness of it all. If not for our own sakes, we should think of others around us who might be at risk. There?s a lot of fake news, trolling, and pig-ignorance in the media. The trick is to be guided by those who actually know! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 15 Mar 2020, at 13:38, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I?m personally fairly appalled at the knee jerk reactions to this coronavirus/ Covid 19 infection. > > It is apparently only a problem if you have a compromised immune system, true of any respiratory infection, and why it has been so whipped up into ?We?re all doomed?, remains unclear to me. All of ?Any Questions? was devoted to it, without an audience! > > I?ve just been to my local hospital for a (scheduled) echo-cardiogram, and my assessment was endorsed by staff there - ? but we have to follow the directives?! > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. From alanaudio at me.com Sun Mar 15 12:31:33 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:31:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My wife also works in the critical care ward of the local hospital. They are just starting to get Covid19 cases. One thing she recently drew to the attention of the infectious disease control team was that although they wear gloves, masks, visors and plastic aprons, their normal uniforms are still exposed and at the end of the shift, the staff go home in those uniforms and wash them at home, which means there is a potential for spreading the disease into the community. She was asked what the team was supposed to do about it and she proposed that all staff in that ward should be issued with hospital scrubs, as used in operating theatres, which are then washed in the hospital. Her suggestion was not adopted. Alan Taylor > On 15 Mar 2020, at 17:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > >> infection. From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 15 12:54:45 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 17:54:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <306b2a3d-99cf-ad79-a166-29df9c79eefd@btinternet.com> Quite right, Alan! When my wife worked in hospitals the uniforms were kept in lockers on the premises and laundered by the hospital. They weren't allowed off the site wearing uniforms but now you see them out walking their dogs or shopping, hence the rise in MRSA etc. Junior nurses also lived in nurses homes and ate on site, nowadays most have trouble affording accommodation etc. Cheers, Dave. On 15/03/2020 17:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My wife also works in the critical care ward of the local hospital. They are just starting to get Covid19 cases. > > One thing she recently drew to the attention of the infectious disease control team was that although they wear gloves, masks, visors and plastic aprons, their normal uniforms are still exposed and at the end of the shift, the staff go home in those uniforms and wash them at home, which means there is a potential for spreading the disease into the community. > > She was asked what the team was supposed to do about it and she proposed that all staff in that ward should be issued with hospital scrubs, as used in operating theatres, which are then washed in the hospital. Her suggestion was not adopted. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 15 Mar 2020, at 17:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> infection. From waresound at msn.com Sun Mar 15 13:03:36 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 18:03:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: ???? Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 15 Mar 2020, at 17:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My wife also works in the critical care ward of the local hospital. They are just starting to get Covid19 cases. > > One thing she recently drew to the attention of the infectious disease control team was that although they wear gloves, masks, visors and plastic aprons, their normal uniforms are still exposed and at the end of the shift, the staff go home in those uniforms and wash them at home, which means there is a potential for spreading the disease into the community. > > She was asked what the team was supposed to do about it and she proposed that all staff in that ward should be issued with hospital scrubs, as used in operating theatres, which are then washed in the hospital. Her suggestion was not adopted. > > Alan Taylor > > >>> On 15 Mar 2020, at 17:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> infection. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sun Mar 15 17:45:18 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 22:45:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many good points have been made ~ but on the uniform issue, we have never understood why medical staff are allowed to wear hospital clothing to and from work, so it seems particularly relevant now. And on self-isolation, I think the better term really is social distancing ~ I?m with Bernie in that I cannot see how a country walk can be harmful to young or old and for the sake of relief from the four walls, what could be the harm in using the car (electric, of course) for a spin in the countryside, with a picnic taken inside the car at some beauty spot or the other? Anything but wall to wall daytime television and there?s only so much gardening you can do! The thing I don?t understand about loo rolls is that as the need for them cannot actually have increased, where is everybody putting them once the loft is full? I once knew a guy who ran a smallish business, but he bought his company?s full year's stock of Andrex (other brands are available) in one fell swoop every autumn and stored them in his loft, so that for the winter he had added insulation. I don?t think he ever managed to quantify the fuel saving, but he did get a good deal on the bog-rolls. Mike G > On 15 Mar 2020, at 18:03, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ???? > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 15 Mar 2020, at 17:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My wife also works in the critical care ward of the local hospital. They are just starting to get Covid19 cases. >> >> One thing she recently drew to the attention of the infectious disease control team was that although they wear gloves, masks, visors and plastic aprons, their normal uniforms are still exposed and at the end of the shift, the staff go home in those uniforms and wash them at home, which means there is a potential for spreading the disease into the community. >> >> She was asked what the team was supposed to do about it and she proposed that all staff in that ward should be issued with hospital scrubs, as used in operating theatres, which are then washed in the hospital. Her suggestion was not adopted. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>>> On 15 Mar 2020, at 17:15, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> infection. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From philiptyler at me.com Sun Mar 15 18:10:52 2020 From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler) Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2020 23:10:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Loo Roll Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm hoping not to play to an empty house - we shall see. I thought, in the circumstances, when we're all locked away for weeks, the fruits of my research might come in useful for others here. The talk is going to be called "Free Software: Creative things to do while you hide at home behind a wall of loo paper". I knew about some free software, but as i went along I found much more...... DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" Cakewalk - a free DAW MidiEditor - what it says Audacity - multi track audio editor The Gimp - Photoshop replacement Krita - sort of Photoshop replacement Opentoonz - 2d animating software Papagayo - animation speech sync Unreal engine - build your own computer game world, architectural models, and much more. Blender? - 3d model builder I expect there's a lot more than that - eg I use Libreoffice, but it's off topic - and in any case, that's enough for one session. There's certainly enough there for a few hours fuming and frustration when you're locked in. And Happy Birthday to Roger Bunce! cheers B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 06:22:37 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:22:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f@gmail.com> Hi All Back in September I joined a group at the Woking U3A called the "Computer Workshop". It has turned out to be just a touch boring - for instance, I have no interest in what KB number the latest Windows 10 update is, and I was sort of planning not to renew next academic year. The other week I was emailed by the chap who sorts out the meetings agenda (it's that sort of show), saying they are short of material for this week's meeting. Could I do an hour's worth "as off the wall as possible". I think he might be bored too. Anyway, that's a bit of a challenge, so I've done a fair bit of research. I'm hoping not to play to an empty house - we shall see. I thought, in the circumstances, when we're all locked away for weeks, the fruits of my research might come in useful for others here. The talk is going to be called "Free Software: Creative things to do while you hide at home behind a wall of loo paper". I knew about some free software, but as i went along I found much more...... DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" Cakewalk - a free DAW MidiEditor - what it says Audacity - multi track audio editor The Gimp - Photoshop replacement Krita - sort of Photoshop replacement Opentoonz - 2d animating software Papagayo - animation speech sync Unreal engine - build your own computer game world, architectural models, and much more. Blender? - 3d model builder I expect there's a lot more than that - eg I use Libreoffice, but it's off topic - and in any case, that's enough for one session. There's certainly enough there for a few hours fuming and frustration when you're locked in. And Happy Birthday to Roger Bunce! cheers B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 06:44:10 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:44:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: <822fa74e-7f2a-6fe9-bbce-c8c1d3166b0b@ntlworld.com> References: <822fa74e-7f2a-6fe9-bbce-c8c1d3166b0b@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <8d3ee69b-2de6-d053-124d-f43de853639d@gmail.com> Hi, To add to Bernie's list (not necessarily for his talk, but just for interest...) Lazarus - A turbo Pascal - Delphi compatible - cross-platform IDE for Rapid Application Development : ????????????????? MUCH better than Basic for those who want to write their own programs Happy Birthday, Roger! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From dave at davesound.co.uk Mon Mar 16 10:04:09 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 15:04:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f@gmail.com> References: <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58522fc75ddave@davesound.co.uk> In article <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, > compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so expensive only schools could afford it. No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. Must have been pretty frustrating for the pupils. -- *He who dies with the most toys is, nonetheless, dead. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 11:45:21 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 16:45:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: <58522fc75ddave@davesound.co.uk> References: <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f@gmail.com> <58522fc75ddave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <60db896c-a570-0c31-fcf9-de08a46b4226@ntlworld.com> It's in rapid development, with a new version every few months.? I think they plan to take over the world of editing, as they already have with the colour corrector. It's all in one package now, with Fairlight, Fusion, Edit and Color all working together. Impressive at any price - very impressive when free. B On 16/03/2020 15:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, >> compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" > I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the > early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so > expensive only schools could afford it. > > No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. Must > have been pretty frustrating for the pupils. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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B On 16/03/2020 15:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article<47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, >> compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" > I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the > early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so > expensive only schools could afford it. > > No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. Must > have been pretty frustrating for the pupils. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Impressive at any price - very impressive when free. > > B > > > > On 16/03/2020 15:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> In article <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com>, >> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, >>> compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" >> I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the >> early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so >> expensive only schools could afford it. >> >> No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. Must >> have been pretty frustrating for the pupils. >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 17:37:44 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 22:37:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Staying at home In-Reply-To: <2F1C8E6D-3C36-4337-80F8-00069B6A54AA@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <05defd92-fba0-8cbf-f073-68729558e371@gmail.com> <2F1C8E6D-3C36-4337-80F8-00069B6A54AA@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: So has Woking.? I think I'm depressed already. I shall take to drink or something, though it's probably been panic bought. B On 16/03/2020 20:17, Peter Fox wrote: > Don?t get too carried away, Bernie, Bromley U3A have shut up shop ?for > the duration? (probably.) Save your writing paper for more important > things. > > Peter Fox > >> On 16 Mar 2020, at 16:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? It's in rapid development, with a new version every few months.? I >> think they plan to take over the world of editing, as they already >> have with the colour corrector. It's all in one package now, with >> Fairlight, Fusion, Edit and Color all working together. Impressive at >> any price - very impressive when free. >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 16/03/2020 15:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> In article<47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com>, >>> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, >>>> compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" >>> I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the >>> early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so >>> expensive only schools could afford it. >>> >>> No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. Must >>> have been pretty frustrating for the pupils. >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I shall take to drink > or something, though it's probably been panic bought. > > B > > > > On 16/03/2020 20:17, Peter Fox wrote: >> Don?t get too carried away, Bernie, Bromley U3A have shut up shop >> ?for the duration? (probably.) Save your writing paper for more >> important things. >> >> Peter Fox >> >>> On 16 Mar 2020, at 16:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? It's in rapid development, with a new version every few months.? I >>> think they plan to take over the world of editing, as they already >>> have with the colour corrector. It's all in one package now, with >>> Fairlight, Fusion, Edit and Color all working together. Impressive >>> at any price - very impressive when free. >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 16/03/2020 15:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> In article<47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com>, >>>> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, >>>>> compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" >>>> I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the >>>> early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so >>>> expensive only schools could afford it. >>>> >>>> No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. Must >>>> have been pretty frustrating for the pupils. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I don?t know if there?s any truth in it, but the experts keep telling us that the Coronavirus can?t survive in hot weather, so here?s hoping. Cheers and best wishes, Nick (the other one) Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 17 Mar 2020, at 07:51, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: ? Hi All, An update from Dubai where I started on a four year contract mid January. All Events cancelled and we are an Events company! Our season is now before the extremely hot summer and the company has put us all on two months unpaid leave. We have a presence in Saudi so hopefully we can pick up there in two months to mitigate our losses. The rest of the family are near Esher and the two kids may well have to work from home as their offices are in the city. I thought I'd update here as I am feeling somewhat isolated but I am part of this fantastic group who keep me sane, full of memories and a large door to the world. Keep safe everyone.... With best wishes, Nick Way On 16 March 2020 at 22:37 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: So has Woking. I think I'm depressed already. I shall take to drink or something, though it's probably been panic bought. B On 16/03/2020 20:17, Peter Fox wrote: Don?t get too carried away, Bernie, Bromley U3A have shut up shop ?for the duration? (probably.) Save your writing paper for more important things. Peter Fox On 16 Mar 2020, at 16:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: It's in rapid development, with a new version every few months. I think they plan to take over the world of editing, as they already have with the colour corrector. It's all in one package now, with Fairlight, Fusion, Edit and Color all working together. Impressive at any price - very impressive when free. B On 16/03/2020 15:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: In article <47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so expensive only schools could afford it. No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. Must have been pretty frustrating for the pupils. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When this stops the holiday companies are going to have a bonanza, those still in business B On 17/03/2020 09:03, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > ....thanks Nick - appreciated. > > With best wishes, > > Nick Way (this one!) > >> On 17 March 2020 at 08:59 Nick Ware via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> Hi Nick, >> Keep in touch, we?re all in pretty much the same boat. Always good to >> hear from you. I don?t know if there?s any truth in it, but the >> experts keep telling us that the Coronavirus can?t survive in hot >> weather, so here?s hoping. >> Cheers and best wishes, >> Nick (the other one) >> >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 17 Mar 2020, at 07:51, Nick Way via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> An update from Dubai where I started on a four year contract mid >>> January. >>> >>> All Events cancelled and we are an Events company! Our season is now >>> before the extremely hot summer and the company has put us all on >>> two months unpaid leave. We have a presence in Saudi so hopefully we >>> can pick up there in two months to mitigate our losses. The rest of >>> the family are near Esher and the two kids may well have to work >>> from home as their offices are in the city. >>> >>> I thought I'd update here as I am feeling somewhat isolated but I am >>> part of this fantastic group who keep me sane, full of memories and >>> a large door to the world. >>> >>> Keep safe everyone.... >>> >>> With best wishes, >>> >>> Nick Way >>> >>>> On 16 March 2020 at 22:37 Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> So has Woking.? I think I'm depressed already. I shall take to >>>> drink or something, though it's probably been panic bought. >>>> >>>> B >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16/03/2020 20:17, Peter Fox wrote: >>>>> Don?t get too carried away, Bernie, Bromley U3A have shut up shop >>>>> ?for the duration? (probably.) Save your writing paper for more >>>>> important things. >>>>> >>>>> Peter Fox >>>>> >>>>>> On 16 Mar 2020, at 16:46, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's in rapid development, with a new version every few months.? >>>>>> I think they plan to take over the world of editing, as they >>>>>> already have with the colour corrector. It's all in one package >>>>>> now, with Fairlight, Fusion, Edit and Color all working together. >>>>>> Impressive at any price - very impressive when free. >>>>>> >>>>>> B >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 16/03/2020 15:04, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> In article<47cdb9b1-947c-2e13-dd2b-86ef6117730f at gmail.com> , >>>>>>> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> DaVinci Resolve - as Apple once nearly said "a $50,000 editing, >>>>>>>> compositing, audio, colour correction system for nothing" >>>>>>> I've got a version of that on an Acorn RPC I bought from a school in the >>>>>>> early 90s, after they presumably went over to Windows. I'd guess so >>>>>>> expensive only schools could afford it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No idea who ported it to Acorn, though. And it only partially works. 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Cheers, Dave On 17/03/2020 10:45, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > You might like this chaps > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQoAlQrnSg > From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com Tue Mar 17 06:45:51 2020 From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:45:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam busting In-Reply-To: <6120058D-3987-4DAC-8E29-CF004128954D@btinternet.com> References: <6120058D-3987-4DAC-8E29-CF004128954D@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi chaps Here's another guy dealing with a scammer (not as technical as Carey) but the "acting" is amusing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RcITCY0dc Cheers Brian Curtis On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 10:45, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > You might like this chaps > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQoAlQrnSg > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Brian Curtis via Tech1 Sent: 17 March 2020 11:46 To: Albert Barber Cc: David Buckley via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Scam busting Hi chaps Here's another guy dealing with a scammer (not as technical as Carey) but the "acting" is amusing! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_RcITCY0dc? Cheers Brian Curtis ? On Tue, 17 Mar 2020 at 10:45, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: You might like this chaps https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVQoAlQrnSg -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It deserves a wider audience: //'I have been reflecting on how we would have reacted to a coronavirus epidemic in those days. The answer is not at all, for three main reasons. 'The Covid-19 virus could not have been identified rapidly enough, if at all. Most cases would have been too mild to attract attention in this season of coughs and sneezes. And the small proportion of deaths among elderly people with chronic respiratory disease would have remained much as usual for the time of year.// //'It follows that there would have been no alarm or counter-measures. International trade and travel would have carried on as usual. World stock markets would not have collapsed. And governments would not have needed to get involved.// //'As it is today, we know too much about the coronavirus for our own good, but almost nothing about treating its victims or preventing its spread.' //Sometimes a little knowledge really can be a dangerous thing.// //I'm not advocating complacency, but I do worry what we're seeing right now is well-intentioned over-reaction. /Personally, I think that doctor, and RJ,? might have good points.? A retired doctor of my acquaintance said the same. And my wife's doctor, at an appointment this morning, said (Irish accent) "All mad, all mad". Meanwhile, the oldies conspiracy has begun here. Even though Woking U3A has suspended all meetings, my video production group was planning on doing some filming at Mizens Railway. We are going ahead - it's outside and we can do a BYO on coffee etc. And I was going to give an editing tutorial at one of our houses this Friday pm. 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Cheers, hic, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 17 18:59:11 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 23:59:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5EEE4BAC-DDA1-43A8-A296-7EFBD87D9568@mac.com> And your nice new neighbours can get your scotch for you! Mike G > On 17 Mar 2020, at 23:42, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?One of the recommendations going the rounds is to keep your throat moist and that alcohol kills the germs - no problem! As Brucie would say - 'Keep Drinking'! Cheers, hic, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 17 19:06:57 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 00:06:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus 2 Message-ID: <293e3f86-f6d9-96a6-d6af-f5cde5aa84a6@btinternet.com> Indeed! Let's hope that panic buying hasn't emptied my local off-licence! Cheers, Dave From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 18 04:44:04 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (MR P HEIGHAM) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 09:44:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus Message-ID: <31uf86tfdl9liphn4m9kia10.1584524644463@email.android.com> I was gratified by two lots of friends offering to do any shopping or to help in any way. Also my village community has put a leaflet with a help number providing the same ?. Did manage to call in to Majestic and cleared out their stock of Villa Maria! Also the Marks Simply Food had plenty of stuff. Makes me feel my age, though. Have been back from Amsterdam for over a week now, no symptoms of anything nasty. Pat On 17 March 2020, at 23:39, "dave.mdv via Tech1" wrote: >Our new neighbours, who moved in during December, and who we haven't >actually spoken to and have only caught fleeting glances of, have >tonight, put a post card through the letterbox asking if we need any >shopping doing etc., there's hope for the world yet! 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It took all of half an hour after the Archbishop of Canterbury stopped all services for Veronica to be on the phone. Veronica does the coffee - she lives alone, and as Pauline says "she lives for being the person who does the coffee". I rather suspect that isolation, combined with trashing the world economy, will kill far more people than if we'd just done or known nothing. 1100 My turn on this computer. We have others, but this is most convenient.? Emails - A computer logging system that I wrote and maintain has a fault, I'm told. Actually, I'd done some mods to add more checking for idiocies amongst those who enter the info, and hadn't updated part of the system. My fault - shouldn't do these things late at night. Fixed now. The TV Network Engineers group, and Barry Bonner, do a walk and pub lunch each week. Will they do it this week? It seems they will, even if the pub is closed. I'm on the list, and went once. 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Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: iu.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 7171 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Wed Mar 18 09:11:38 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 14:11:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: <9D788D31-F05D-437F-8DE4-BDE28A302097@me.com> References: <9D788D31-F05D-437F-8DE4-BDE28A302097@me.com> Message-ID: <504D65C805744C74B016443F0600830E@Gigabyte> Guess what? I just went down to our local Sainsburys for milk (still plenty in stock and being replenished) slightly jokingly asked lady if there were any baked beans. She replied none and said look at the shelf there ? which was almost empty ? except for a few tins of Spam. I picked one up to drool over it and noticed that the opener was missing so asked the (young) lady where the opener was and got reply ?What?? So had to explain to her how to open a tin of spam. Just had to buy one for memories sake (and as standby supper) and noticed sell-by date was 2024. So no hurry to scoff it all at once!! Mike From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 1:45 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Virus To go with Albert?s vintage adverts and some of the other topics discussed here recently, this style of graffiti from bygone days seems somewhat appropriate at the moment. Alan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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B ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I had to think about a few ?things? and I thought it might be useful for you to have a note of them in case you decide to take the model any further. 1.I started off using UHU glue ? big mistake as it sort of goes everywhere and was impossible to remove it from where it was not supposed to go without making a mess of the printed surfaces. I ended up using one of the range from Unibond which was much more satisfactory ? easier to wipe off excess glue and errant spots without leaving any ugly marks. 2.I could not get the hang of using a rolled up piece of A4 to make the central column. In the end I used a length of 10mm diameter aluminium tube which I just happened to have in the back of the garage. Lucky for me as it was perfect for the job, I think it came from B&Q or some such. 3.By far the most difficult part was the LWT logo on the side of the camera ? insofar that there were so many over the years! I was hoping to perhaps use the original LWT on the side but despite much internet trawling I could not find any to copy. I have access to a private LWT staff website and I was able to see a reasonable number of pictures of the cameras in action so in the end went with what I strongly believe to be the last logo on the side of the cameras before they were replaced from 1980 onwards. It has the added advantage that the model can get away with a slightly ?frayed around the edges? look as the cameras would have been 11 years old by then, that?s my excuse anyway! 4.Looking at pictures, it would seem that the camera people always preferred to have A5 script cards mounted on a triangular plate on the rear of the camera next to the viewfinder rather than the A4 script holder as used by the BBC. Why this was so I don?t know but it appears to have gone right the EMI/Marconi/Hitachi and the final Sony cameras. I was able to easily modify the script holder part of the model with just a few extra folds etc ? no problem at all. 5.The dolly handle is just some bent up insulation wire, much like the one you made yourself. I will have to revisit it in the future and paint it a colour closer to the main colour ?grey? colour? scheme of the pedestal. Having said that, I have now seen many pictures of the 419 pedestal with different parts of it painted different colours - wear and tear and ?make do and mend? I suspect. 6.The zoom handle is made from the inside of an old biro ? the sort that has a tubed metal ink reservoir inside rather than the flexible plastic type found in cheaper models. 7.The viewfinder swivel clamp on the RHS of the camera is a piece of rubber sliced off the end of an ordinary pencil a couple of mm thick! I simply painted it grey. 8.I stuffed the oil/gas cylinders with a ball of tissue ?balled up? and bound with the Unibond glue ? sort of rolling it around in the palm of my hand until it was the right consistency and size, then I simply poked the ball up the inside of the cylinder and when it was all firmly set I just glued the triangular edges making up the of the top of the cylinders over the top of the now hardened tissue balls ? it was surprisingly easy to do. So, by and large I am very pleased with it. Thinking back as to how iconic this camera was I am surprised that someone like Airfix never made a plastic model kit of it, perhaps their market research found it was not viable? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The catering firm has switched from cancelled events to delivering home made ready-to-heat meals (for under ?3), the local plastic-free company is delivering their merch to front gardens (from beans to loo roll, in paper instead of plastic), the local councillors who run our Facebook group are matching people who are out with people who need errands run, and - perhaps most importantly - our micropub will deliver your from the tap pint(s) to your front door in a sealed bag./ / / / / B // -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hales.221 at btinternet.com Wed Mar 18 11:46:12 2020 From: hales.221 at btinternet.com (PETER HALES) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 16:46:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] missing country References: <1155087350.794802.1584549972179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1155087350.794802.1584549972179@mail.yahoo.com> We are told which countries are affected by this virus, Russia has never, to my knowledge, been mentioned. 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To see what can be done, look here: https://gwrlocomotivesketchpad.wordpress.com/ Previously, this software has been sold to raise money for the Great Western Society, but you can have a free copy to keep you busy in these hard times. Windows 10 64-bit or Windows XP to Win 8 32-bit? versions are available.? Send an email to me with a note as to? which version you need and I'll send it out via WeTransfer (sorry, don't have a suitable server for you to download from....) To whet your appetite, here is a real loco (Lady of Legend on its first reveal)? and its Sketch[ad equivalent: -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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So, when I turn up for Stage Three: the Pre-operative Assessment, still wearing the green paper wrist band from the eye surgery, it is agreed that I will have to postpone my knee replacement. That?s alright, isn?t it? Just push me back down the waiting list for a couple of months? Apparently not. The NHS has to pay fines if people are on the waiting list for to long. I have a come off the waiting list, and start again. So, when fully recovered from the eye surgery, I see my G.P. an get back onto the waiting list for a new knee. This time I can skip Stage One: X-rays and MRI Scan. I pass Stage Two: a second Consultation with the Consultant. He still seems nice. I get a date for Stage Three: the Pre-operative assessment. What could possibly go wrong? My Doctor sacks me! My old G.P. has retired. His practice has amalgamated with others. They?ve redrawn the catchment area, and I?m no longer in it! I have 28 days to find a new Doctor. What are the odds against that? Oddly, they haven?t sacked my wife. I?m not sure how the catchment boundary zig-zags through our house to separate us. But we dutifully go to another practice, which is only slightly more difficult to get to, and fill in the application forms. Meanwhile, my knee has deteriorated badly this winter. I have invested in a walking stick. I try to hobble round the block on non-rainy days. I doesn?t really count as exercise, because I can?t move fast enough. At least I?m getting some fresh air. But I can no longer get as far as the shops, the station, the park, or anywhere interesting. This doesn?t stop me attending Stage Three. I finally get my Pre-Operative Assessment. What could possibly go wrong? The Nurse notices that my blood pressure is high, possibly too high to permit the surgery. What are the odds against that? O.K. I?ve been on medication for blood pressure for years, but it always seemed to be under control, so much so that I haven?t bothered to check it recently. Something seems to have gone wrong. I also learn that it could be up to 16-weeks between the Pre-Operative Assessment and the actual Operation. So, maybe I didn?t need to cancel it the first time around!? The following day I get an appointment with a Doctor (At the old practice. The 28 days notice has hardly begun). A very nice lady Doctor ups my medication and says, come and see the Health-Care Assistant in a week?s time, to check my blood pressure. What could possibly go wrong? I return in a week?s time, to see the Health-Care Assistant. But she says she can?t check my blood pressure because, as of that morning, I have been sacked from this practice. I protest. I?ve got 28 days notice! But no. The new practice has accepted me, and as of that instant, the old practice can?t treat me! What are the odds against that? Fortunately, there?s a height, weight and blood-pressure machine in the reception area, and the Receptionist doesn?t know I?ve been sacked, yet, so I use that! I make an appointment to see my new Doctor, although I now learn that he won?t have my notes for months! And I now have a date for Stage Four: a meeting with the Physiotherapists. This, I assume is the final stage before the actual operation. Obviously, nothing could possibly go wrong now . . . What? The Chinese have invented a new virus? But don?t worry. It doesn?t spread easily - until it becomes a global epidemic. But it?s quite mild, and unlikely to kill you - unless you?re over 70! What the Bleeping-Bleep are the odds against this happening, at this particular time? Well, on Monday, I had my appointment with the new Doctor, who sounds very nice, on the phone. He?s self-isolating. He seems to think my blood pressure is now low enough. Stage Four: meeting the Physiotherapists, due on Friday, has been cancelled. Looks like they?re going to skip it. They asked me if I?d read all the paperwork they?d sent me. Sill question! I explain that, like any normal person, if I have an appointment on Friday, I?ll read the paperwork on Thursday night! I?ve filled in their questionnaires, and posted them. I?m now supposed to watch an on-line video, which should tell me everything they would have told me. So, nothing now stands between me a a new knee - except that all non-urgent surgery has been postponed for the duration. Non-urgent! They should feel my knee. They say that having something to look forward to keeps you going. And I?ve certainly spent an excessively long time looking forward to this. Another three months, or more, of looking forward should do me the world of good! luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That said, to echo others on this forum, there are many locals here who are getting in touch and offering help with shopping etc. as well exchanging phone nos., emails etc. I hope you get your spare parts joined up long before I need mine! TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 15:23:37 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 20:23:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong? In-Reply-To: <185845410.814302.1584551204136@mail.yahoo.com> References: <185845410.814302.1584551204136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <185845410.814302.1584551204136@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6f973feb-ecf8-1823-8de6-242455c282c5@gmail.com> I wonder if - even at this time - you said "All right, I'll go private" they'd suddenly find they could do it tomorrow?? Costs a fortune of course. Meanwhile - once we can escape it's all back to Roger's house for a quick disorganised, since he can't go far. B On 18/03/2020 17:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > I?m on a waiting list for a new knee. > > I pass Stage One: X-rays and MRI Scan. > > I pass Stage Two: Consult the Consultant. He seems nice. > > I get a date for Stage Three: the Pre-operative Assessment. > > > What could possibly go wrong? > > > I get a detached retina! > > > What are the odds against that? > > > Urgent surgery for detached retina. It goes well, but I am warned not > to have any further surgery, or anaesthetics for N months. So, when I > turn up for Stage Three: the Pre-operative Assessment, still wearing > the green paper wrist band from the eye surgery, it is agreed that I > will have to postpone my knee replacement. That?s alright, isn?t it? > Just push me back down the waiting list for a couple of months? > Apparently not. The NHS has to pay fines if people are on the waiting > list for to long. I have a come off the waiting list, and start again. > > > So, when fully recovered from the eye surgery, I see my G.P. an get > back onto the waiting list for a new knee. > > This time I can skip Stage One: X-rays and MRI Scan. > > I pass Stage Two: a second Consultation with the Consultant. He still > seems nice. > > I get a date for Stage Three: the Pre-operative assessment. > > > What could possibly go wrong? > > > My Doctor sacks me! > > My old G.P. has retired. His practice has amalgamated with others. > They?ve redrawn the catchment area, and I?m no longer in it! I have 28 > days to find a new Doctor. > > > What are the odds against that? > > > Oddly, they haven?t sacked my wife. I?m not sure how the catchment > boundary zig-zags through our house to separate us. But we dutifully > go to another practice, which is only slightly more difficult to get > to, and fill in the application forms. > > Meanwhile, my knee has deteriorated badly this winter. I have invested > in a walking stick. I try to hobble round the block on non-rainy days. > I doesn?t really count as exercise, because I can?t move fast enough. > At least I?m getting some fresh air. But I can no longer get as far as > the shops, the station, the park, or anywhere interesting. > > > This doesn?t stop me attending Stage Three. I finally get my > Pre-Operative Assessment. > > > What could possibly go wrong? > > > The Nurse notices that my blood pressure is high, possibly too high to > permit the surgery. > > > What are the odds against that? > > > O.K. I?ve been on medication for blood pressure for years, but it > always seemed to be under control, so much so that I haven?t bothered > to check it recently. Something seems to have gone wrong. > > I also learn that it could be up to 16-weeks between the Pre-Operative > Assessment and the actual Operation. So, maybe I didn?t need to cancel > it the first time around! > > The following day I get an appointment with a Doctor (At the old > practice. The 28 days notice has hardly begun). A very nice lady > Doctor ups my medication and says, come and see the Health-Care > Assistant in a week?s time, to check my blood pressure. > > > What could possibly go wrong? > > > I return in a week?s time, to see the Health-Care Assistant. But she > says she can?t check my blood pressure because, as of that morning, I > have been sacked from this practice. I protest. I?ve got 28 days > notice! But no. The new practice has accepted me, and as of that > instant, the old practice can?t treat me! > > > What are the odds against that? > > > Fortunately, there?s a height, weight and blood-pressure machine in > the reception area, and the Receptionist doesn?t know I?ve been > sacked, yet, so I use that! I make an appointment to see my new > Doctor, although I now learn that he won?t have my notes for months! > > And I now have a date for Stage Four: a meeting with the > Physiotherapists. This, I assume is the final stage before the actual > operation. > > > Obviously, nothing could possibly go wrong now . . . > > > What? The Chinese have invented a new virus? > > But don?t worry. It doesn?t spread easily - until it becomes a global > epidemic. > > But it?s quite mild, and unlikely to kill you - unless you?re over 70! > > > What the Bleeping-Bleep are the odds against this happening, at this > particular time? > > > Well, on Monday, I had my appointment with the new Doctor, who sounds > very nice, on the phone. He?s self-isolating. He seems to think my > blood pressure is now low enough. > > Stage Four: meeting the Physiotherapists, due on Friday, has been > cancelled. Looks like they?re going to skip it. They asked me if I?d > read all the paperwork they?d sent me. Sill question! I explain that, > like any normal person, if I have an appointment on Friday, I?ll read > the paperwork on Thursday night! I?ve filled in their questionnaires, > and posted them. I?m now supposed to watch an on-line video, which > should tell me everything they would have told me. > > > So, nothing now stands between me a a new knee - except that all > non-urgent surgery has been postponed for the duration. Non-urgent! > They should feel my knee. > > > They say that having something to look forward to keeps you going. And > I?ve certainly spent an excessively long time looking forward to this. > Another three months, or more, of looking forward should do me the > world of good! > > luv, Rog. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you like this, try their rendition of 'Lay a Garland'. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Wed Mar 18 17:02:05 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 22:02:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: <8A8B5429-B349-4318-9E78-48A9C3FCE46C@btinternet.com> References: <8A8B5429-B349-4318-9E78-48A9C3FCE46C@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I'll raise you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTJN5kR42BE TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Wed Mar 18 18:01:56 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 23:01:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: <504D65C805744C74B016443F0600830E@Gigabyte> References: <9D788D31-F05D-437F-8DE4-BDE28A302097@me.com> <504D65C805744C74B016443F0600830E@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <6113C7B1-9B35-4BB3-8662-10A998B3CBB5@btinternet.com> > On 18 Mar 2020, at 14:11, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Guess what? I just went down to our local Sainsburys for milk (still plenty in stock and being replenished) slightly jokingly asked lady if there were any baked beans. She replied none and said look at the shelf there ? which was almost empty ? except for a few tins of Spam. > I picked one up to drool over it and noticed that the opener was missing so asked the (young) lady where the opener was and got reply ?What?? > So had to explain to her how to open a tin of spam. > Just had to buy one for memories sake (and as standby supper) and noticed sell-by date was 2024. > So no hurry to scoff it all at once!! > > Mike > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 1:45 PM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Virus > > > To go with Albert?s vintage adverts and some of the other topics discussed here recently, this style of graffiti from bygone days seems somewhat appropriate at the moment. > > > > Alan > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave On 18/03/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > To those of you with a large screen tv/computer and excessively loud > but sonically perfect hi-fi, here's something to soothe the troubled brow: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BwsZqTyr0 > > I've been following them for the past few years on YouTube, and really > love most of their offerings. If you like this, try their rendition of > 'Lay a Garland'. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Mar 19 06:10:50 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong? In-Reply-To: <7916b709-f996-70d5-25b7-77b35de9821d@btinternet.com> References: <185845410.814302.1584551204136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <185845410.814302.1584551204136@mail.yahoo.com> <7916b709-f996-70d5-25b7-77b35de9821d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <272769097.1471455.1584616250118@mail.yahoo.com> Curiously, Boris seems to have gone all Socialistic on us - promising to pay anything that is needed. Whether he will keep his word is another matter. But I got annoyed with Jeremy H*nt, who was interrogating NHS chiefs, demanding to know whether they were ready for all this. And not one of them had the guts to say, "No, of course we're not ready for this - because there was this psychopathic idiot Health Secretary, called Jeremy H*nt, who cut the pay of junior doctors and generally ran the service into the ground!" Meanwhile, here is what we have to look forward to - Monty Python and Holy Grail, bring out the dead | | | | | | | | | | | Monty Python and Holy Grail, bring out the dead I can't take him, he's not dead! | | | luv, Rog. On Wednesday, 18 March 2020, 20:16:48 GMT, dave.mdv wrote: You poor old bu**er, welcome to the Tory NHS! Cheers, Dave On 18/03/2020 17:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: I?m on a waiting list for a new knee. I pass Stage One: X-rays and MRI Scan. I pass Stage Two: Consult the Consultant. He seems nice. I get a date for Stage Three: the Pre-operative Assessment. What could possibly go wrong? I get a detached retina! What are the odds against that? Urgent surgery for detached retina. It goes well, but I am warned not to have any further surgery, or anaesthetics for N months. So, when I turn up for Stage Three: the Pre-operative Assessment, still wearing the green paper wrist band from the eye surgery, it is agreed that I will have to postpone my knee replacement. That?s alright, isn?t it? Just push me back down the waiting list for a couple of months? Apparently not. The NHS has to pay fines if people are on the waiting list for to long. I have a come off the waiting list, and start again. So, when fully recovered from the eye surgery, I see my G.P. an get back onto the waiting list for a new knee. This time I can skip Stage One: X-rays and MRI Scan. I pass Stage Two: a second Consultation with the Consultant. He still seems nice. I get a date for Stage Three: the Pre-operative assessment. What could possibly go wrong? My Doctor sacks me! My old G.P. has retired. His practice has amalgamated with others. They?ve redrawn the catchment area, and I?m no longer in it! I have 28 days to find a new Doctor. What are the odds against that? Oddly, they haven?t sacked my wife. I?m not sure how the catchment boundary zig-zags through our house to separate us. But we dutifully go to another practice, which is only slightly more difficult to get to, and fill in the application forms. Meanwhile, my knee has deteriorated badly this winter. I have invested in a walking stick. I try to hobble round the block on non-rainy days. I doesn?t really count as exercise, because I can?t move fast enough. At least I?m getting some fresh air. But I can no longer get as far as the shops, the station, the park, or anywhere interesting. This doesn?t stop me attending Stage Three. I finally get my Pre-Operative Assessment. What could possibly go wrong? The Nurse notices that my blood pressure is high, possibly too high to permit the surgery. What are the odds against that? O.K. I?ve been on medication for blood pressure for years, but it always seemed to be under control, so much so that I haven?t bothered to check it recently. Something seems to have gone wrong. I also learn that it could be up to 16-weeks between the Pre-Operative Assessment and the actual Operation. So, maybe I didn?t need to cancel it the first time around!? The following day I get an appointment with a Doctor (At the old practice. The 28 days notice has hardly begun). A very nice lady Doctor ups my medication and says, come and see the Health-Care Assistant in a week?s time, to check my blood pressure. What could possibly go wrong? I return in a week?s time, to see the Health-Care Assistant. But she says she can?t check my blood pressure because, as of that morning, I have been sacked from this practice. I protest. I?ve got 28 days notice! But no. The new practice has accepted me, and as of that instant, the old practice can?t treat me! What are the odds against that? Fortunately, there?s a height, weight and blood-pressure machine in the reception area, and the Receptionist doesn?t know I?ve been sacked, yet, so I use that! I make an appointment to see my new Doctor, although I now learn that he won?t have my notes for months! And I now have a date for Stage Four: a meeting with the Physiotherapists. This, I assume is the final stage before the actual operation. Obviously, nothing could possibly go wrong now . . . What? The Chinese have invented a new virus? But don?t worry. It doesn?t spread easily - until it becomes a global epidemic. But it?s quite mild, and unlikely to kill you - unless you?re over 70! What the Bleeping-Bleep are the odds against this happening, at this particular time? Well, on Monday, I had my appointment with the new Doctor, who sounds very nice, on the phone. He?s self-isolating. He seems to think my blood pressure is now low enough. Stage Four: meeting the Physiotherapists, due on Friday, has been cancelled. Looks like they?re going to skip it. They asked me if I?d read all the paperwork they?d sent me. Sill question! I explain that, like any normal person, if I have an appointment on Friday, I?ll read the paperwork on Thursday night! I?ve filled in their questionnaires, and posted them. I?m now supposed to watch an on-line video, which should tell me everything they would have told me. So, nothing now stands between me a a new knee - except that all non-urgent surgery has been postponed for the duration. Non-urgent! They should feel my knee. They say that having something to look forward to keeps you going. And I?ve certainly spent an excessively long time looking forward to this. Another three months, or more, of looking forward should do me the world of good! luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Mar 19 06:30:36 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 11:30:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What could possibly go wrong? In-Reply-To: <272769097.1471455.1584616250118@mail.yahoo.com> References: <185845410.814302.1584551204136.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <185845410.814302.1584551204136@mail.yahoo.com> <7916b709-f996-70d5-25b7-77b35de9821d@btinternet.com>, <272769097.1471455.1584616250118@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You got the asterisk in the wrong place, Rog, as any NHS employee will tell you. ;-) Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Mar 2020, at 11:11, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: ? Curiously, Boris seems to have gone all Socialistic on us - promising to pay anything that is needed. Whether he will keep his word is another matter. But I got annoyed with Jeremy H*nt, who was interrogating NHS chiefs, demanding to know whether they were ready for all this. 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When patients arrive, it's her responsibility to filter out which ones are OK to proceed to the normal A&E reception or which ones are suspect and need to be sent to a "dirty" holding area elsewhere. Her personal protection equipment consists of a desk so that patients don't approach too close. As for PPE in general, it's very scarce indeed, especially the better stuff which is needed for confirmed cases. Fortunately her hospital has not yet had a confirmed case, but a number have turned up elsewhere within our health region. You will doubtless be aware that due to Coronavirus television programmes have been re-hashed without audiences or crowds. Book publishers have also had to do the same thing. I attach a picture of one such offering. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I use and swear by Altiverb ( www.audioease.com/Altiverb ). Impulse Response samples of real buildings. There are a lot of my earlier choral recordings on YouTube that have been given the Altiverb makeover. But I wouldn?t want to shatter any illusions- Voces8 sound fabulous, and the musicianship is beyond reproach, which, given their pedigree it would be. Libera - I love them too. I lost count ages ago of how many times I listened to their arrangement of the Vavilov (Caccini) Ave Maria. Sadly, when they came to Guildford Cathedral a few months ago it was more like a touring pop gig than a choral concert, and I didn?t stay to the end. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Mar 2020, at 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote: ? To those of you with a large screen tv/computer and excessively loud but sonically perfect hi-fi, here's something to soothe the troubled brow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BwsZqTyr0 I've been following them for the past few years on YouTube, and really love most of their offerings. If you like this, try their rendition of 'Lay a Garland'. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 11:41:38 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:41:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Unlike Nick, I am not familiar with this group, nor with the venue. So I can't suggest where the recording was made. But my feeling about the sound quality was that it was, by far, too much modified after recording. It sounds completely false to me (but perhaps that is the kind of quality that people like today). KW On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 12:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, I?ve been following Voces8 for some time too. I don?t think your > YouTube piece was recorded in that fabulous looking basilica though. > Videoed there yes, but the acoustic doesn?t sound right to me. Listening to > all of their offerings, there?s a striking similarity in many of the > venues. And bear in mind it?s a video promoting an album. My suspicion is > that Decca and/or Abbey Road played some part in that! If I?m wrong I?m > happy to be proved wrong, and if I?m right I?ll be happy with that too. The > trouble is, lip sync is so random these days that it?s not always easy to > spot a mimed as opposed to live vocal performance. > Artificial reverb is a wonderful thing, and nowadays, not so artificial. I > use and swear by Altiverb ( www.audioease.com/Altiverb ). Impulse > Response samples of real buildings. There are a lot of my earlier choral > recordings on YouTube that have been given the Altiverb makeover. > But I wouldn?t want to shatter any illusions- Voces8 sound fabulous, and > the musicianship is beyond reproach, which, given their pedigree it would > be. > Libera - I love them too. I lost count ages ago of how many times I > listened to their arrangement of the Vavilov (Caccini) Ave Maria. Sadly, > when they came to Guildford Cathedral a few months ago it was more like a > touring pop gig than a choral concert, and I didn?t stay to the end. > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > On 18 Mar 2020, at 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > To those of you with a large screen tv/computer and excessively loud but > sonically perfect hi-fi, here's something to soothe the troubled brow: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BwsZqTyr0 > > I've been following them for the past few years on YouTube, and really > love most of their offerings. If you like this, try their rendition of 'Lay > a Garland'. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Listening to all of their offerings, there?s a striking similarity in many of the venues. And bear in mind it?s a video promoting an album. My suspicion is that Decca and/or Abbey Road played some part in that! If I?m wrong I?m happy to be proved wrong, and if I?m right I?ll be happy with that too. The trouble is, lip sync is so random these days that it?s not always easy to spot a mimed as opposed to live vocal performance. Artificial reverb is a wonderful thing, and nowadays, not so artificial. I use and swear by Altiverb ( www.audioease.com/Altiverb ). Impulse Response samples of real buildings. There are a lot of my earlier choral recordings on YouTube that have been given the Altiverb makeover. But I wouldn?t want to shatter any illusions- Voces8 sound fabulous, and the musicianship is beyond reproach, which, given their pedigree it would be. Libera - I love them too. I lost count ages ago of how many times I listened to their arrangement of the Vavilov (Caccini) Ave Maria. Sadly, when they came to Guildford Cathedral a few months ago it was more like a touring pop gig than a choral concert, and I didn?t stay to the end. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Mar 2020, at 21:15, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: ? To those of you with a large screen tv/computer and excessively loud but sonically perfect hi-fi, here's something to soothe the troubled brow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BwsZqTyr0 I've been following them for the past few years on YouTube, and really love most of their offerings. If you like this, try their rendition of 'Lay a Garland'. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve often heard theories why BBC faders went that way while the rest of the world?s faders went the other way and have never been completely convinced by those explanations. My explanation is that the early mixing desks ( BBC, Abbey Road etc ) originally used stud faders with a control knob. Those faders were subsequently re- engineered to become quadrant faders, which were essentially the same thing turned on its side and operated by a lever rather than a knob. When mixing, you would generally be looking to have the fader around 75% fully up. If you had a quadrant fader with maximum gain away from you, the ergonomics of reaching over the quadrant to operate the knobs With the tips of your fingers doubled back would be difficult, especially for extended periods. The only logical at to arrange them is with maximum gain nearest you and then your palm can rest on the flat part of the sound desk with your fingertips naturally falling into place on the knobs. Therefore, those companies who had been around long enough to have used quadrant faders became accustomed to faders being that way round, while the newcomers who started off by using linear faders could have them either way round, but most opted to have them the other way round to us. Alan Taylor > >> On 19 Mar 2020, at 18:37, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Working in ABBEY Rd 2 was always a bit BBC like >> I mean the smell. >> Cabbage from the canteen?. >> They seem to have painted it though. >> What are the monitors? >> R >> >>>> On 19 Mar 2020, at 17:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Mar 19 14:11:26 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 19:11:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23BC9D8416F14C5D8062CF1DF50B0991@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Monitors - possibly JBL's? Dave Newbitt -----Original Message----- From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:37 PM To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Voces8 Working in ABBEY Rd 2 was always a bit BBC like I mean the smell. Cabbage from the canteen?. They seem to have painted it though. What are the monitors? R > On 19 Mar 2020, at 17:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.beer at talktalk.net Thu Mar 19 16:09:22 2020 From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 21:09:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Coronavirus quarantine Northern style Message-ID: <59ff4001-548a-4567-9a10-c0877ca8bbe4@talktalk.net> We are socially isolating by camping in our motorhome in Borrowdale. Fantastic weather? hardly any people and we have our own plentiful supply of wine and toilet rolls! ?Get BlueMail for Android ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, hic, Dave ? andOn 19/03/2020 21:09, David Beer via Tech1 wrote: > We are socially isolating by camping in our motorhome in Borrowdale. > Fantastic weather? hardly any people and we have our own plentiful > supply of wine and toilet rolls! > > Get BlueMail for Android > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Mar 19 16:36:09 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 21:36:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tesco latest Message-ID: Tesco have just received their order of this notice to put on their delivery vehicles: THERE ARE NO TOILET ROLLS LEFT IN THIS VEHICLE OVERNIGHT TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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R > On 19 Mar 2020, at 17:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Mar 19 17:30:49 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 22:30:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6bdbaed9-8d64-feb4-3e4f-7f0f35e3f994@btinternet.com> As a mere deputy SS I would say that the nice picture and sound do not match!? There are stands BEHIND each singer which is not the best position for a vocal mic! The sound is very nice and clean but looking at the enormous space they are in the reverb doesn't match. Nice try, but fake! Cheers, Dave On 18/03/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > To those of you with a large screen tv/computer and excessively loud > but sonically perfect hi-fi, here's something to soothe the troubled brow: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BwsZqTyr0 > > I've been following them for the past few years on YouTube, and really > love most of their offerings. If you like this, try their rendition of > 'Lay a Garland'. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Mar 19 17:31:42 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 22:31:42 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DF0696DF1474347872A038901D9236B@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Final thought - if not JBL 4325 then JBL 4320 (visually identical). Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:37 PM To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Voces8 Working in ABBEY Rd 2 was always a bit BBC like I mean the smell. Cabbage from the canteen?. They seem to have painted it though. What are the monitors? R > On 19 Mar 2020, at 17:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu Mar 19 19:11:08 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 00:11:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: <6bdbaed9-8d64-feb4-3e4f-7f0f35e3f994@btinternet.com> References: <6bdbaed9-8d64-feb4-3e4f-7f0f35e3f994@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Agreed Dave, I have no experience of recording this type of material but looking at the venue I would have expected longer reverb with obvious first reflection and more high frequencies. Happy to be shot down, John H. On 19/03/2020 22:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > As a mere deputy SS I would say that the nice picture and sound do not > match!? There are stands BEHIND each singer which is not the best > position for a vocal mic! The sound is very nice and clean but looking > at the enormous space they are in the reverb doesn't match. Nice try, > but fake! Cheers, Dave > > > On 18/03/2020 21:15, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> To those of you with a large screen tv/computer and excessively loud >> but sonically perfect hi-fi, here's something to soothe the troubled >> brow: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BwsZqTyr0 >> >> I've been following them for the past few years on YouTube, and >> really love most of their offerings. If you like this, try their >> rendition of 'Lay a Garland'. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I find the comparison pretty persuasive. Maybe with JBL being a US outfit they are not especially familiar to ex BBC audio men and I see that, control-room wise, the pictures of the mixing desk seem invariably to show B & W speakers in place. At all events I think that for whatever reason the studio floor seems to have had these JBLs permanently hung in the 1970s period. It is worth noting that the web images of these speakers show variation in the tweeter type and disposition. Wiki shows me that the J B Lansing Company was named from James Bullough Lansing (though he was born James Martini). He was a significant engineer but apparently a poor businessman and following a decline in the company's fortunes committed suicide in 1949. Subsequent ownership of the company after several changes culminated in it becoming part of the Harman International Group owned by Samsung. 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But two things make me wonder if they might have been made by EMI themselves: Historically (literally), EMI have a tendency to retain vintage equipment that is still functioning perfectly well to everyone?s satisfaction (viz. those U67 mics and C12?s), so I?m guessing the speakers on the wall could have been there since the Beatles. Secondly: Over a long period of time EMI manufactured their own tape machines and sound desks. In-house built speakers would have been a doddle for them to make. I count myself incredibly lucky to have spent quite a lot of time at Abbey Road over the years, but always as client or guest, (or session photographer, even!), never in a technical capacity. You need to ask someone who worked there. It?s such an iconic place, I?m awe-struck every time, imagining all the people who worked and performed there. I daresay, some people would say the same about the TV Centre and Lime Grove, which we all took for granted! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Mar 2020, at 09:47, David Newbitt wrote: ?Re Roger's "What are the monitors?" I've posted three times so far postulating JBL, then JBL 4325 and finally JBL 4325 OR 4320. Given the vast amount of experience of so many of you I was a little surprised to find no one else offering a suggestion. My knowledge hardly amounts to much but I was for a time involved in retailing Hi Fi so looking at Nick Ware's post of the YouTube Abbey Road Studio 2 I found the dark and ancient recesses of my mind thinking "JBL". I've now googled about a bit and come up with these images. One is a blow up from another shot of AR Studio 2 which shows the speaker in question a little more clearly. The other is a pair of JBL 4320 Studio Monitors offered for sale across the pond. I find the comparison pretty persuasive. Maybe with JBL being a US outfit they are not especially familiar to ex BBC audio men and I see that, control-room wise, the pictures of the mixing desk seem invariably to show B & W speakers in place. At all events I think that for whatever reason the studio floor seems to have had these JBLs permanently hung in the 1970s period. It is worth noting that the web images of these speakers show variation in the tweeter type and disposition. Wiki shows me that the J B Lansing Company was named from James Bullough Lansing (though he was born James Martini). He was a significant engineer but apparently a poor businessman and following a decline in the company's fortunes committed suicide in 1949. Subsequent ownership of the company after several changes culminated in it becoming part of the Harman International Group owned by Samsung. So typical of the absorption of smaller companies into conglomerates, here is a list of Harman International companies :- A&R; Cambridge; AKG; AMX; Becker; Crown International; dbx; Digitech; Harman Kardon; Infinity Systems; JBL; Lexicon; Mark Levinson; Martin Professional; Revel; Soundcraft; Studer. Anyone fallen asleep yet? Best to all, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 6:37 PM To: Nick Ware Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Voces8 Working in ABBEY Rd 2 was always a bit BBC like I mean the smell. Cabbage from the canteen?. They seem to have painted it though. What are the monitors? R On 19 Mar 2020, at 17:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk [cid:F3D3BC28-E69E-43A5-AA86-54E91BF5308E][cid:ADC5CD9B-D197-4C94-956E-167DFED110E5] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My wife has been increasingly involved with getting ready for handling large numbers of Covid19 cases. Getting dressed to work with a confirmed case requires extensive PPE because it?s so contagious. Gloves have to be taped to the sleeves of gowns so that there are no gaps. You can?t do it by yourself and the process takes ten minutes, with that second person, your buddie helping out and checking that it?s all correct. Somebody asked if there is any way to speed it up for the five people needed when a resuss team is called out for dealing with heart attacks. The simple answer is that they will need to get the five specialists plus five more buddies and spend ten minutes getting them ready before any action can be taken. Or to put it another way, they are unlikely to get there in time. We?ve got relatives in Germany and Belgium, with friends in Italy. Those countries are acutely aware of the problems and challenges they are facing. We really must take this thing seriously and be very meticulous about social distancing. On the Guardian web site this morning is a picture of a Rewe supermarket in Germany. There are red marks and labels two metres apart on the pavement and you don?t stand any closer when queuing. Stay safe Alan Taylor > On 20 Mar 2020, at 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > > For those who don't read Private Eye (a more reliable source of news than most - mostly), this on current medical matters (attached) > > B > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's another which Alan recorded himself of the sound off The Animals Farewell Concert shown on BBC-2 on 5th March 1984, and another of status Quo "From The Makers Of." which could be a copy of an LP, I don't know. Alan was fond of Radio 4 Comedy Classics such as Beyond Our Ken, Round The Horne and The Goon Shows of which there are lots of tapes. He was keen on radio drama and classical music too as you can see. Do let me know if any of these appeal to you and you'll be welcome to have them, Geoff Hawkes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Animals Audio Cassette.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 437541 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Other way round it could open several you don't want open - like say an OB or spooling VT, etc. A recording studio is far less likely to have such 'nasty' things plugged into the desk. But having used both pretty extensively over the years for GP TV (rather than music balancing) I still found the BBC way best for a quick cue and cut. -- *IF A PARSLEY FARMER IS SUED, CAN THEY GARNISH HIS WAGES? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mibridge at mac.com Fri Mar 20 08:54:49 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 13:54:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 3 In-Reply-To: <1d761b9f-bea6-dba9-de9d-a38e0a7cdd07@gmail.com> References: <1d761b9f-bea6-dba9-de9d-a38e0a7cdd07@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8333FE51-F055-4A21-96DE-0390A14FB5FF@mac.com> Thank you Bernie, A note of sanity amongst the hype! Mike G > On 20 Mar 2020, at 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > > For those who don't read Private Eye (a more reliable source of news than most - mostly), this on current medical matters (attached) > > B > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.hillson at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 09:00:21 2020 From: ian.hillson at gmail.com (Ian H) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:00:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> Message-ID: Remember too, that the prehear button was nicely placed to be operated with thumb and you're then still able to pull the fader open with your fingers ? Best Ian (A pictures man, but was I forced to do sound when I joined News as a TA) On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:01 PM Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > It was also like the BBC because the faders worked the right way. > > I?ve often heard theories why BBC faders went that way while the rest of > the world?s faders went the other way and have never been completely > convinced by those explanations. > > My explanation is that the early mixing desks ( BBC, Abbey Road etc ) > originally used stud faders with a control knob. Those faders were > subsequently re- engineered to become quadrant faders, which were > essentially the same thing turned on its side and operated by a lever > rather than a knob. > > When mixing, you would generally be looking to have the fader around 75% > fully up. If you had a quadrant fader with maximum gain away from you, the > ergonomics of reaching over the quadrant to operate the knobs With the tips > of your fingers doubled back would be difficult, especially for extended > periods. The only logical at to arrange them is with maximum gain nearest > you and then your palm can rest on the flat part of the sound desk with > your fingertips naturally falling into place on the knobs. > > Therefore, those companies who had been around long enough to have used > quadrant faders became accustomed to faders being that way round, while the > newcomers who started off by using linear faders could have them either way > round, but most opted to have them the other way round to us. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 19 Mar 2020, at 18:37, Roger E Long via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> ?Working in ABBEY Rd 2 was always a bit BBC like > >> I mean the smell. > >> Cabbage from the canteen?. > >> They seem to have painted it though. > >> What are the monitors? > >> R > >> > >>>> On 19 Mar 2020, at 17:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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TV had the faders set back with a place for your script nearest to you. Recording studios, not. If your script should knock a fader, it will reduce the level. Other way round it could open several you don't want open - like say an OB or spooling VT, etc. A recording studio is far less likely to have such 'nasty' things plugged into the desk. But having used both pretty extensively over the years for GP TV (rather than music balancing) I still found the BBC way best for a quick cue and cut. -- *IF A PARSLEY FARMER IS SUED, CAN THEY GARNISH HIS WAGES? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Mar 20 09:45:15 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 14:45:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: <585436733ddave@davesound.co.uk> References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> <585436733ddave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f@mx.google.com> The explanation that was fed to me, was that if the Sound Supervisor suffered a collapse and slumped forward, Chances were that he would naturally knock the faders closed, thus avoiding horrid overmods , taking the transmitters off the air! This was of course, well before the era of limiters. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 20 March 2020 13:31 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Voces8 In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I?ve often heard theories why BBC faders went that way while the rest of > the world?s faders went the other way and have never been completely > convinced by those explanations. I think it obvious if you look at an early TV sound desk and recording studio one, both with quadrant or linear faders. TV had the faders set back with a place for your script nearest to you. Recording studios, not. If your script should knock a fader, it will reduce the level. Other way round it could open several you don't want open - like say an OB or spooling VT, etc. A recording studio is far less likely to have such 'nasty' things plugged into the desk. But having used both pretty extensively over the years for GP TV (rather than music balancing) I still found the BBC way best for a quick cue and cut. -- *IF A PARSLEY FARMER IS SUED, CAN THEY GARNISH HIS WAGES? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The old limiters we had kicking around on trolleys looked to date from before WW2, by the valves used. -- *I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 12:30:24 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:30:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 3 In-Reply-To: <924893993.3016739.1584720341357@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1d761b9f-bea6-dba9-de9d-a38e0a7cdd07@gmail.com> <924893993.3016739.1584720341357@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <15a99778-2138-2f40-5226-12e70b46a147@ntlworld.com> I think public service broadcasters were on the list. Maybe if they get short they'll be asking us back, like the doctors and nurses. B On 20/03/2020 16:05, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Day Three, and the Government have announced which people are to count > as 'Key Workers' i.e. people who need to go to work because they do > useful stuff, as opposed to people who might as well stay at home, > because they don't do anything very useful. Now, I'm not normally a > rabid revolutionary but - if some people are more 'Key' than others, > shouldn't wage scales reflect this? Shouldn't we pay more to the > people we actually need, and less to the pompous bureaucrats who sit > in big offices with grandiose job titles, doing not very much - who > are perfectly capable of staying at home and doing not very much? > > luv, Rog. > > On Friday, 20 March 2020, 10:17:59 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > > > For those who don't read Private Eye (a more reliable source of news > than most - mostly), this on current medical matters (attached) > > B > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Fri Mar 20 12:37:58 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 17:37:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 3 In-Reply-To: <15a99778-2138-2f40-5226-12e70b46a147@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I adopted UP for OFF and DOWN for ON, simply because our domestic switches do this, the opposite being the case in America. I was very amused to read all sorts of comments in technical magazines, discussing the difference between BBC and commercial practice for sound faders years later, where various theories put it down to "not knocking the script pages as one fades out?", etc. Why I didn't join in the correspondence I can't remember - but you've read it first here." orbem.co.uk/cons/consmem.htm -------------------------------------------------- You can read this and other explanations/theories at: https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2216313/bbc-style-upside-down-faders KW On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 16:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f at mx.google.com>, > patheigham wrote: > > The explanation that was fed to me, was that if the Sound Supervisor > > suffered a collapse and slumped forward, Chances were that he would > > naturally knock the faders closed, thus avoiding horrid overmods , > > taking the transmitters off the air! This was of course, well before the > > era of limiters. > > Hmm. Quadrant sound faders date from rather later than transmitter > limiters, surely? The old limiters we had kicking around on trolleys > looked to date from before WW2, by the valves used. > > -- > *I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize * > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Mar 20 13:40:34 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 18:40:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: <6bdbaed9-8d64-feb4-3e4f-7f0f35e3f994@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e750e22.1c69fb81.6ef10.f5a7@mx.google.com> I would champion Nick Ware?s experience in what he has to say about this. Nick recorded the sound for a Ch4 series: ?Music in Time? and I assisted in quite a few of the European venues, including the Dvorak Hall in Prague with the Czech Philharmonic, the Vienna Boys Choir in their chapel and the Verdi Requiem in St.Vitus Cathedral in Prague. (Think it was Verdi, Nick?). Nick kept the miking very simple, letting the internal balance speak. All the best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: 20 March 2020 00:11 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Voces8 Agreed Dave, I have no experience of recording this type of material but looking at the venue I would have expected longer reverb with obvious first reflection and more high frequencies. Happy to be shot down, John H. On 19/03/2020 22:30, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: As a mere deputy SS I would say that the nice picture and sound do not match!? There are stands BEHIND each singer which is not the best position for a vocal mic! The sound is very nice and clean but looking at the enormous space they are in the reverb doesn't match. Nice try, but fake! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From martin at theeccles.uk Fri Mar 20 13:48:54 2020 From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 18:48:54 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> <585436733ddave@davesound.co.uk> <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f@mx.google.com> <5854442a66dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <006901d5fee8$35111f40$9f335dc0$@theeccles.uk> How about the theory it was distinguish between sound desk and the vision mixer faders that went the other way ? Martin. From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 20 March 2020 18:35 To: Dave Plowman ; Geoff Fletcher ; Alec Bray Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Voces8 Long ago, I heard a man give this explanation, and I've just found it on the internet: -------------------------------------------------- >From the man himself, Johnny Longden: "I believe my special projects one-off desks in the 1960s were among the first to use slider rather than rotary faders, and I had to decide which way they should travel to fade up or down. The commercial desks of the day tended to favour UP - away from the operator, and DOWN, toward the operator, as they did in the USA. I adopted UP for OFF and DOWN for ON, simply because our domestic switches do this, the opposite being the case in America. I was very amused to read all sorts of comments in technical magazines, discussing the difference between BBC and commercial practice for sound faders years later, where various theories put it down to "not knocking the script pages as one fades out?", etc. Why I didn't join in the correspondence I can't remember - but you've read it first here." orbem.co.uk/cons/consmem.htm -------------------------------------------------- You can read this and other explanations/theories at: https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/2216313/bbc-style-upside-down-faders KW On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 at 16:13, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: In article <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f at mx.google.com >, patheigham > wrote: > The explanation that was fed to me, was that if the Sound Supervisor > suffered a collapse and slumped forward, Chances were that he would > naturally knock the faders closed, thus avoiding horrid overmods , > taking the transmitters off the air! This was of course, well before the > era of limiters. Hmm. Quadrant sound faders date from rather later than transmitter limiters, surely? The old limiters we had kicking around on trolleys looked to date from before WW2, by the valves used. -- *I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Fri Mar 20 14:39:39 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:39:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <17C8B165-B3BD-40EF-9E60-96B58B6ABCDF@me.com> Perhaps we?ll be invited back to show them how to do it properly - did you see ?Hospital? the other night? An essay in ?hosing around?, and ?We?ll sort that out in the edit?. And have a look at the credits...... Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 20 Mar 2020, at 17:38, Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Bernie, > Already tens of thousands of workers who are freelance now have no work . Shortage of work not people is the big issue, I think you can rest easy! > > Paul Thackray > > PGT Media Consulting Ltd. > > 07802 243979 > > Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk > > Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk > > Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 > > IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ > > sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network > From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Sent: 20 March 2020 17:30 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Reply to: bernard.newnham at ntlworld.com > Cc: bernie833 at gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 3 > > I think public service broadcasters were on the list. Maybe if they get short they'll be asking us back, like the doctors and nurses. > > B > > > > On 20/03/2020 16:05, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> Day Three, and the Government have announced which people are to count as 'Key Workers' i.e. people who need to go to work because they do useful stuff, as opposed to people who might as well stay at home, because they don't do anything very useful. Now, I'm not normally a rabid revolutionary but - if some people are more 'Key' than others, shouldn't wage scales reflect this? Shouldn't we pay more to the people we actually need, and less to the pompous bureaucrats who sit in big offices with grandiose job titles, doing not very much - who are perfectly capable of staying at home and doing not very much? >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> On Friday, 20 March 2020, 10:17:59 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> For those who don't read Private Eye (a more reliable source of news than most - mostly), this on current medical matters (attached) >> >> B >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Fri Mar 20 15:41:53 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:41:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mic - what mic? (was Voces8) Message-ID: <0LBDlqhIao6PF6qHLcMcIOvfaGlb2oCuxHxHeiU_KmOunOK2BmUEYEmwEERNbc3pUGQdd5aN-FlFNv75kMHipgeDLO51uon5ZYbXJLmYakE=@protonmail.com> If Nick keeps things simple, then he probably didn't do this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjFJ4OE5yR0 TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Mar 20 15:45:31 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:45:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mic - what mic? (was Voces8) In-Reply-To: <0LBDlqhIao6PF6qHLcMcIOvfaGlb2oCuxHxHeiU_KmOunOK2BmUEYEmwEERNbc3pUGQdd5aN-FlFNv75kMHipgeDLO51uon5ZYbXJLmYakE=@protonmail.com> References: <0LBDlqhIao6PF6qHLcMcIOvfaGlb2oCuxHxHeiU_KmOunOK2BmUEYEmwEERNbc3pUGQdd5aN-FlFNv75kMHipgeDLO51uon5ZYbXJLmYakE=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: Whatever happened to cutting to the music? ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Mar 2020, at 20:41, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > If Nick keeps things simple, then he probably didn't do this one: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjFJ4OE5yR0 > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Mar 20 16:11:16 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 21:11:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Mic - what mic? (was Voces8) In-Reply-To: <0LBDlqhIao6PF6qHLcMcIOvfaGlb2oCuxHxHeiU_KmOunOK2BmUEYEmwEERNbc3pUGQdd5aN-FlFNv75kMHipgeDLO51uon5ZYbXJLmYakE=@protonmail.com> References: <0LBDlqhIao6PF6qHLcMcIOvfaGlb2oCuxHxHeiU_KmOunOK2BmUEYEmwEERNbc3pUGQdd5aN-FlFNv75kMHipgeDLO51uon5ZYbXJLmYakE=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <5e753174.1c69fb81.65126.776d@mx.google.com> But who knows how many mics were actually faded up? I?m reminded of the splendid Walter Murch who, when faced with fitting multiple footsteps, realised that only two had to be in sync, as the rest was lost in a general melee. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: 20 March 2020 20:42 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Mic - what mic? (was Voces8) If Nick keeps things simple, then he probably didn't do this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjFJ4OE5yR0 TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 16:21:24 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 21:21:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Limiters In-Reply-To: <5854442a66dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> <585436733ddave@davesound.co.uk> <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f@mx.google.com> <5854442a66dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <42407690-26a4-d525-4be4-cd3483765a8d@btinternet.com> Dave, you probably remember wheeling the Lim2 transmitter limiter, trolley mounted, from control room to control room for Dickie Chamberlain to use on TOTP!? The Lim2 was followed by the much larger Gaumont-Kalee trolley mounted limiter. Cheers, Dave O n 20/03/2020 15:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f at mx.google.com>, > patheigham wrote: >> The explanation that was fed to me, was that if the Sound Supervisor >> suffered a collapse and slumped forward, Chances were that he would >> naturally knock the faders closed, thus avoiding horrid overmods , >> taking the transmitters off the air! This was of course, well before the >> era of limiters. > Hmm. Quadrant sound faders date from rather later than transmitter > limiters, surely? The old limiters we had kicking around on trolleys > looked to date from before WW2, by the valves used. > From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Mar 20 16:22:13 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 21:22:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Italian job remake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice one Neil! Cheers, Dave On 20/03/2020 12:15, Neil Dormand via Tech1 wrote: > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PHOTO-2020-03-19-18-31-21.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 68273 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 17:27:45 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 22:27:45 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Limiters In-Reply-To: <42407690-26a4-d525-4be4-cd3483765a8d@btinternet.com> References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> <585436733ddave@davesound.co.uk> <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f@mx.google.com> <5854442a66dave@davesound.co.uk> <42407690-26a4-d525-4be4-cd3483765a8d@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <007201d5ff06$c7ccebc0$5766c340$@gmail.com> I well remember those monsters. Gave a lovely sound though. Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 20 March 2020 21:21 To: Dave Plowman ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Limiters Dave, you probably remember wheeling the Lim2 transmitter limiter, trolley mounted, from control room to control room for Dickie Chamberlain to use on TOTP! The Lim2 was followed by the much larger Gaumont-Kalee trolley mounted limiter. Cheers, Dave O n 20/03/2020 15:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f at mx.google.com>, > patheigham wrote: >> The explanation that was fed to me, was that if the Sound Supervisor >> suffered a collapse and slumped forward, Chances were that he would >> naturally knock the faders closed, thus avoiding horrid overmods , >> taking the transmitters off the air! This was of course, well before >> the era of limiters. > Hmm. Quadrant sound faders date from rather later than transmitter > limiters, surely? The old limiters we had kicking around on trolleys > looked to date from before WW2, by the valves used. > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Fri Mar 20 19:37:06 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 00:37:06 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> <585436733ddave@davesound.co.uk> <5e74d6fb.1c69fb81.37c1f.f96f@mx.google.com> <5854442a66dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <5854739323dave@davesound.co.uk> In article , Keith Wicks wrote: > Long ago, I heard a man give this explanation, and I've just found it on > the internet: > -------------------------------------------------- > From the man himself, Johnny Longden: > "I believe my special projects one-off desks in the 1960s were among the > first to use slider rather than rotary faders, and I had to decide which > way they should travel to fade up or down. The commercial desks of the day > tended to favour UP - away from the operator, and DOWN, toward the > operator, as they did in the USA. I adopted UP for OFF and DOWN for ON, > simply because our domestic switches do this, the opposite being the case > in America. > I was very amused to read all sorts of comments in technical magazines, > discussing the difference between BBC and commercial practice for sound > faders years later, where various theories put it down to "not knocking the > script pages as one fades out?", etc. Why I didn't join in the > correspondence I can't remember - but you've read it first here." Perhaps one of our older readers could remember the first type B TV desks? I thought the prototypes in Riverside dated from the late 50s. But if it were a light switch thing, why not vision faders too? -- *Where do forest rangers go to "get away from it all?" Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Mar 21 03:29:12 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:29:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide Message-ID: My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's guide is fine. Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? John From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 21 03:46:14 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:46:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <523B9702-4011-4408-8C04-50BC280ED7A0@me.com> It?s because there?s nothing on the telly anymore. Alan Taylor > On 21 Mar 2020, at 08:29, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's guide is fine. > > Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? > > John > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sat Mar 21 03:57:37 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:57:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0693F125-CCDA-4CF3-8E7A-0B103594B448@mac.com> Radio Times, perhaps? Mike G > On 21 Mar 2020, at 08:29, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's guide is fine. > > Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? > > John > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From philiptyler at me.com Sat Mar 21 04:02:36 2020 From: philiptyler at me.com (Philip Tyler) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 09:02:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Life inside Italy. Message-ID: I have some very dear friends who live in Italy, here is part of their latest message to me. ?Hi Philip Here in our house, the silence is total, it seems incredible. Many people still don't understand the danger. They walk the streets, fill the subways. Yesterday's death toll is now over 600. The hospitals in Lombardy are collapsing. Bergamo is the city with a very high number of deaths. The two of us are continuing to work using all the protective devices. Next week I'll use an approved gas mask, I'll send you some photos. The last factories left open, they'll close them too. Even the food factories are in total crisis. The government will probably pass the rule to close food supermarkets in the next few hours. Everything will stop here for a long time. It's changed the lives of all of us. The big problem for us is not work but staying alive.? Philip From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sat Mar 21 04:28:11 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 09:28:11 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because of Corona specials. I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it can't catch up quickly so just gives up? Mike -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's guide is fine. Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? John From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 04:36:20 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 09:36:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I read that Netflix are cutting their bitrate because they expect a huge rise in usage. Probably correct, though it looked the same yesterday evening. B On 21/03/2020 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because > of Corona specials. > I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it > can't catch up quickly so just gives up? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide > > My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped > showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It > works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at > the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's > guide is fine. > > Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? > > John > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It > works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at > the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's > guide is fine. > > Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? > > John > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 21 04:44:45 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 09:44:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory Reset on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. Best wishes and good luck > On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because of Corona specials. > I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it can't catch up quickly so just gives up? > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide > > My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped > showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It > works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at > the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's > guide is fine. > > Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? > > John > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Mar 21 05:21:37 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:21:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for all the thoughts. Done a Factory Reset now - no change. We have the Radio Times, but that's out of date as soon as it's printed. I'm now going to try asking Panasonic... John On 21/03/2020 09:44, Albert Barber wrote: > If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory Reset on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. > Best wishes and good luck > >> On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because of Corona specials. >> I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it can't catch up quickly so just gives up? >> >> Mike >> >> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide >> >> My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped >> showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It >> works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at >> the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's >> guide is fine. >> >> Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? >> >> John >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Mar 21 06:45:56 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:45:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> So, Boris is going to shut bars and clubs. But aren't there?certain other institutions which should be closed? Not that I'm normally a rabid revolutionary - but what about the financial markets? You may think the bulk-buyers of loo rolls and antiseptic wipes are panic-stricken idiots - and you'd be right. But their panics are insignificant compared to the mega-panics of those Hooray Henrys in red braces. Panic Buying may strip?supermarket shelves, but Panic Selling can strip pension funds, life savings, jobs and do serious damage to the economy. It's not as if we NEED these people. They're not exactly 'Key Workers'. They're just gamblers with other people's money. The principle of shutting the markets temporarily, in the event of a catastrophic slide, is well established. Why not shut them for the duration? Some chinless wonders may find themselves unemployed for a bit, but at least it?would stop them losing other people's savings, or betting against the pound (personally I'd have them shot for treason - but we're not allowed to do that anymore!) Consider the medieval peasant, grazing his flocks on the Romney Marshes (other coastal lowlands or polders may be considered). He has his drainage dykes and his sluices. He knows to open the sluice as the tide goes out, so that the land can drain, and to close the sluice as the tide comes in, to prevent salt-water flooding the meadows. Like a valve - allowing only a one-way flow. The principle has worked for millennia. Why not apply it to the markets. Keep them open when the tide is running in our favour, slam them shut when the tide turns against us, and keep them shut until it turns again. luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 21 06:50:16 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:50:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1CE84B03-8371-44B2-85DF-0C3F8836D788@me.com> If you simply want to know what?s on, there?s an app called Freeview which you can load onto phones or tablets. It?s one of the better TV listing apps and doesn?t inundate you with intrusive advertising. It seems to be updated quite rapidly when programmes change. It can be customised by region and covers both satellite and terrestrial services. Of course an app won?t set the timer to record shows while you're out, but at least it will give you start and finish times so that you can do it manually. Alan Taylor > On 21 Mar 2020, at 10:22, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Thank you for all the thoughts. Done a Factory Reset now - no change. We have the Radio Times, but that's out of date as soon as it's printed. I'm now going to try asking Panasonic... > > John > > >> On 21/03/2020 09:44, Albert Barber wrote: >> If your FreeviewDigital TV Recorder is failing to record scheduled programmes you may need to perform a First Time Installation/Factory Reset on the unit. first unplug from mains then start to reset. >> Best wishes and good luck >>>> On 21 Mar 2020, at 09:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Maybe it is cos channels are continuously changing programmes because of Corona specials. >>> I would guess it is different software in the tele and perhaps it can't catch up quickly so just gives up? >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 >>> Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 8:29 AM >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: [Tech1] TV Guide >>> >>> My old Panasonic TV (TX-L32E30B, bought 2011) has suddenly stopped >>> showing programmes on the guide, but only from Wednesday onwards! It >>> works fine up to Tuesday. Wed onwards is just blank. It's turned off at >>> the mains every night. My slightly newer (2013) Panasonic HDD Recorder's >>> guide is fine. >>> >>> Can't find anything related on the internet. Anybody any ideas please? >>> >>> John >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 21 06:59:19 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:59:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Rog, I wouldn?t have like being a Romney Marsh medieval peasant ?cos from the middle of the 16th. century the health of the Marsh population suffered from malaria, then known as ague or marsh fever, which caused high mortality rates until the 1730s! If you visit Winchelsea you?ll see their graves in the churchyard. Barry. On 21 Mar 2020, at 11:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > So, Boris is going to shut bars and clubs. But aren't there certain other institutions which should be closed? > > Not that I'm normally a rabid revolutionary - but what about the financial markets? > > You may think the bulk-buyers of loo rolls and antiseptic wipes are panic-stricken idiots - and you'd be right. But their panics are insignificant compared to the mega-panics of those Hooray Henrys in red braces. Panic Buying may strip supermarket shelves, but Panic Selling can strip pension funds, life savings, jobs and do serious damage to the economy. It's not as if we NEED these people. They're not exactly 'Key Workers'. They're just gamblers with other people's money. The principle of shutting the markets temporarily, in the event of a catastrophic slide, is well established. Why not shut them for the duration? Some chinless wonders may find themselves unemployed for a bit, but at least it would stop them losing other people's savings, or betting against the pound (personally I'd have them shot for treason - but we're not allowed to do that anymore!) > > Consider the medieval peasant, grazing his flocks on the Romney Marshes (other coastal lowlands or polders may be considered). He has his drainage dykes and his sluices. He knows to open the sluice as the tide goes out, so that the land can drain, and to close the sluice as the tide comes in, to prevent salt-water flooding the meadows. Like a valve - allowing only a one-way flow. The principle has worked for millennia. Why not apply it to the markets. Keep them open when the tide is running in our favour, slam them shut when the tide turns against us, and keep them shut until it turns again. > > luv, Rog. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Sat Mar 21 08:18:59 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:18:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> Message-ID: I seem to recall that when two booms were in use on a scene it was necessary to do a sort of 'rocking' action to favour the one required? and put a few dbs of attenuation in the other. The fader knob profile was not very comfortable when doing this, so Chick Anthony (& Brian Hiles?) sought opinions on an alternative shape. Did anything come of this? John H. On 20/03/2020 14:00, Ian H via Tech1 wrote: > Remember too, that the prehear button was nicely placed to be operated > with thumb and you're then still able to pull the fader open with your > fingers?? > > Best Ian > (A pictures man, but was I forced to do sound when I joined News as a TA) > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 7:01 PM Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > wrote: > > It was also like the BBC because the faders worked the right way. > > I?ve often heard theories why BBC faders went that way while the > rest of the world?s faders went the other way and have never been > completely convinced by those explanations. > > My explanation is that the early mixing desks ( BBC, Abbey Road > etc ) originally used stud faders with a control knob. Those > faders were subsequently re- engineered to become quadrant faders, > which were essentially the same thing turned on its side and > operated by a lever rather than a knob. > > When mixing, you would generally be looking to have the fader > around 75% fully up. If you had a quadrant fader with maximum gain > away from you, the ergonomics of reaching over the quadrant to > operate the knobs With the tips of your fingers doubled back would > be difficult, especially for extended periods. The only logical at > to arrange them is with maximum gain nearest you and then your > palm can rest on the flat part of the sound desk with your > fingertips naturally falling into place on the knobs. > > Therefore, those companies who had been around long enough to have > used quadrant faders became accustomed to faders being that way > round, while the newcomers who started off by using linear faders > could have them either way round, but most opted to have them the > other way round to us. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 19 Mar 2020, at 18:37, Roger E Long via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> > >> ?Working in ABBEY Rd 2 was always a bit BBC like > >> I mean the smell. > >> Cabbage from the canteen?. > >> They seem to have painted it though. > >> What are the monitors? > >> R > >> > >>>> On 19 Mar 2020, at 17:44, Nick Ware via Tech1 > > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Mar 21 09:34:01 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:34:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Voces8 In-Reply-To: References: <52AAB979-61E8-4DFD-A801-8626896C31B5@me.com> Message-ID: <5854c032cbdave@davesound.co.uk> In article , John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > I seem to recall that when two booms were in use on a scene it was > necessary to do a sort of 'rocking' action to favour the one required > and put a few dbs of attenuation in the other. The fader knob profile > was not very comfortable when doing this, so Chick Anthony (& Brian > Hiles?) sought opinions on an alternative shape. Did anything come of this? I think that's how the narrower and more deeply finger indented knobs (over the originals) came into being. And not only with booms. With desk mics on a panel, you could tighten things up by dropping back all those not speaking at the time slightly. And if someone interrupted, you had just time to pull it up. As most use a higher voice level when interrupting. Of course personal mics made this less necessary. When I moved to Thames, all the faders were flat standard recording studio types. Although BBC way round. And on bemoaning the lovely quadrant BBC faders of the mid 70s, got some very odd looks. What you're used to, I suppose. -- *I'm not as think as you drunk I am. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 10:03:59 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:03:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> Hi all On 21/03/2020 11:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > But their panics are insignificant compared to the mega-panics of > those Hooray Henrys in red braces It's absolutely awful! How can anyone sane think it is a way to do business> When I was in IT, we designed and manufactured a high-speed Ethernet Bridge - which connected two known Local Area Networks. Our competitor was Cisco - who built routers -which? connected to any known Network.? Cisco won - we all use routers now. However, at the time, LIFFE - the London International Financial Futures Exchange - decided that they would buy out High Speed Ethernet Bridge to connect outlying offices to the central exchange - over 100 of them.? As we had had a recent scare over components, there was no time to functionally test the bridges before delivery (they had had a soak test (no, not in water, but an extended up-time test ). So, it was agreed that we would ship directly to LIFFE, and I (as Quality Manager) and a volunteer would do a functional test on each bridge before it was installed. We were busy doing this, and then a guy came along and absolutely ranted at us - never had anything like it - about us holding up the installation, blah, blah.? It was all totally unnecessary.? My volunteer was all set to walk out immediately and stuff them. My volunteer was a nice guy, and I managed to talk him round, and we finished the job.? Around 16:00 ish the ranter came back to us - and actually apologised, as he had not realised what we were doing.? But it was no excuse for his earlier behaviour. Anyway, as part of all this (was it on a pre-visit?) , we were shown the bidding floor .? It was pandemonium.? The bidders were shouting at full pitch, scribbling notes on bits of paper which they flung onto the floor. Other people had to scurry around, picking up these bits of paper and formalising the deals. Why, we asked, why?? There must be a better way ... The High Speed Bridges were used to connect the offices to the bidding floor, and it was made very clear to us that the offices could make a bid and the bid was valid as long as it "was on the breath.." So, seconds then.? So the bridges and network had to be responsive enough to mimic the bids on the floor. Ever since that day I have been in despair about the way the financial system works.? It is so stupid! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Mar 21 10:09:29 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:09:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <876622363.348745.1584803370004@mail.yahoo.com> Smart as paint you are, Barry Lad! I recall the good Doctor Syn, the pious and most reverend Vicar of Dymchurch-Under-The-Wall, once getting a fit of the shakes. He told everyone it was a result of the Marsh Ague (and nothing to do with the fact that he had just seen a voodoo priest, the same man he had marooned on a desolate reef, years before, when he was terrorising the Seven Seas as the notorious pirate Captain Clegg, apparently now returned from the dead, with a company of His Majesty's Revenue Men). At least the good Doctor Syn now has a engine named after him on the Romney, Hythe and Dymchurch Railway.luv, Rog. On Saturday, 21 March 2020, 11:59:20 GMT, Barry Bonner wrote: Hi Rog, I wouldn?t have like being a Romney Marsh medieval peasant ?cos from the middle of the 16th. century?the health of the Marsh population suffered from malaria, then known as ague or marsh fever, which caused high mortality rates until the 1730s! If you visit Winchelsea you?ll see their graves in the churchyard. Barry. On 21 Mar 2020, at 11:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: So, Boris is going to shut bars and clubs. But aren't there?certain other institutions which should be closed? Not that I'm normally a rabid revolutionary - but what about the financial markets? You may think the bulk-buyers of loo rolls and antiseptic wipes are panic-stricken idiots - and you'd be right. But their panics are insignificant compared to the mega-panics of those Hooray Henrys in red braces. Panic Buying may strip?supermarket shelves, but Panic Selling can strip pension funds, life savings, jobs and do serious damage to the economy. It's not as if we NEED these people. They're not exactly 'Key Workers'. They're just gamblers with other people's money. The principle of shutting the markets temporarily, in the event of a catastrophic slide, is well established. Why not shut them for the duration? Some chinless wonders may find themselves unemployed for a bit, but at least it?would stop them losing other people's savings, or betting against the pound (personally I'd have them shot for treason - but we're not allowed to do that anymore!) Consider the medieval peasant, grazing his flocks on the Romney Marshes (other coastal lowlands or polders may be considered). He has his drainage dykes and his sluices. He knows to open the sluice as the tide goes out, so that the land can drain, and to close the sluice as the tide comes in, to prevent salt-water flooding the meadows. Like a valve - allowing only a one-way flow. The principle has worked for millennia. Why not apply it to the markets. Keep them open when the tide is running in our favour, slam them shut when the tide turns against us, and keep them shut until it turns again. luv, Rog.-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 21 10:37:17 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:37:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was once doing a show in The City with the lovely Dave Beaven and we had a slack hour or two during the afternoon. Most of the crew rather unsurprisingly went off to the pub, but Dave wasn't much of a drinker and said that he fancied having a look at the Stock Exchange from the viewing gallery because he had never been in there and was curious. Well I had never seen it either and am curious about all manner of things so I had no hesitation in accompanying him. We went in just before 15:00 and by the time we reached the viewing gallery we were impressed how frantic the activity was. Everybody was running around like blue arsed flies and there was shouting and yelling everywhere. I've seen such scenes portrayed on movies, but this was much more dramatic and it was just an ordinary Tuesday afternoon. Later that afternoon, we discovered that we had been in there at the precise moment when it was announced to the press that Harold Wilson had resigned as Prime Minister. Alan Taylor > > Anyway, as part of all this (was it on a pre-visit?) , we were shown the bidding floor . It was pandemonium. The bidders were shouting at full pitch, scribbling notes on bits of paper which they flung onto the floor. Other people had to scurry around, picking up these bits of paper and formalising the deals. Why, we asked, why? There must be a better way ... The High Speed Bridges were used to connect the offices to the bidding floor, and it was made very clear to us that the offices could make a bid and the bid was valid as long as it "was on the breath.." So, seconds then. So the bridges and network had to be responsive enough to mimic the bids on the floor. > > Ever since that day I have been in despair about the way the financial system works. It is so stupid! > From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Mar 21 11:29:26 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 16:29:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] testing testing Message-ID: <7a9c5b75-1ac2-9f71-f0bb-9df994719c63@gmail.com> Like the rest of the world, the neighbours and I have been trying various video conferencing software. So far Zoom seems to be favourite, with us and others. So - here's a link. It's currently 1628, and I shall be here till 1640. https://zoom.us/j/678889152?pwd=VW9DeFpnSk96ZnBNa3A0Q1BXNm9JZz09 Feel free to give it a try. Bring tea. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 04:36:20 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 09:36:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> Message-ID: <415846266.116305.1584869780370@mail.yahoo.com> These days, I'm told, many trading decisions are made by computers. Whereas a Shouty Man throwing pieces of paper can make a trade in seconds, a computer can do so in nano-seconds. If the market starts to fall, the first person to sell makes the most money, the second is already making less. This means that you need to be as physically close to the trading floor (or wherever it is that the news first comes in) as possible, since even the length of the fibre-optic cable connecting your computer becomes critical. If it's a few metres longer than someone else's, you could be trading a nano-second too late (no I haven't checked the maths). So, those traders who say, "If you go for Brexit, I'll move to Frankfurt" (or wherever), won't do so. All the best pitches are already taken in Frankfurt. They'd find themselves further out, on longer cables. Can't decide if this is a good thing or bad. If all those Bankers, who are constantly threatening to move overseas, had done so before the last banking collapse, they'd have wrecked someone else's economy, and not ours! luv, Rog. On Saturday, 21 March 2020, 15:04:35 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all On 21/03/2020 11:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > But their panics are insignificant compared to the mega-panics of > those Hooray Henrys in red braces It's absolutely awful! How can anyone sane think it is a way to do business> When I was in IT, we designed and manufactured a high-speed Ethernet Bridge - which connected two known Local Area Networks. Our competitor was Cisco - who built routers -which? connected to any known Network.? Cisco won - we all use routers now. However, at the time, LIFFE - the London International Financial Futures Exchange - decided that they would buy out High Speed Ethernet Bridge to connect outlying offices to the central exchange - over 100 of them.? As we had had a recent scare over components, there was no time to functionally test the bridges before delivery (they had had a soak test (no, not in water, but an extended up-time test ). So, it was agreed that we would ship directly to LIFFE, and I (as Quality Manager) and a volunteer would do a functional test on each bridge before it was installed. We were busy doing this, and then a guy came along and absolutely ranted at us - never had anything like it - about us holding up the installation, blah, blah.? It was all totally unnecessary.? My volunteer was all set to walk out immediately and stuff them. My volunteer was a nice guy, and I managed to talk him round, and we finished the job.? Around 16:00 ish the ranter came back to us - and actually apologised, as he had not realised what we were doing.? But it was no excuse for his earlier behaviour. Anyway, as part of all this (was it on a pre-visit?) , we were shown the bidding floor .? It was pandemonium.? The bidders were shouting at full pitch, scribbling notes on bits of paper which they flung onto the floor. Other people had to scurry around, picking up these bits of paper and formalising the deals. Why, we asked, why?? There must be a better way ... The High Speed Bridges were used to connect the offices to the bidding floor, and it was made very clear to us that the offices could make a bid and the bid was valid as long as it "was on the breath.." So, seconds then.? So the bridges and network had to be responsive enough to mimic the bids on the floor. Ever since that day I have been in despair about the way the financial system works.? It is so stupid! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob:? ? 07789 561 346 home:? 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 22 05:12:20 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <415846266.116305.1584869780370@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> <415846266.116305.1584869780370@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e773a04.1c69fb81.7f166.cba8@mx.google.com> I?ve filmed in both the London and New York Stock Exchanges, and without doubt, the London Futures market was appalling! A veritable bear-pit. And the shouty guys seemed to have no manners ? all in their different coloured jackets, like jockeys in their silks, trying to get to the post first! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2020 09:38 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 4 These days, I'm told, many trading decisions are made by computers. Whereas a Shouty Man throwing pieces of paper can make a trade in seconds, a computer can do so in nano-seconds. If the market starts to fall, the first person to sell makes the most money, the second is already making less. This means that you need to be as physically close to the trading floor (or wherever it is that the news first comes in) as possible, since even the length of the fibre-optic cable connecting your computer becomes critical. If it's a few metres longer than someone else's, you could be trading a nano-second too late (no I haven't checked the maths). So, those traders who say, "If you go for Brexit, I'll move to Frankfurt" (or wherever), won't do so. All the best pitches are already taken in Frankfurt. They'd find themselves further out, on longer cables. Can't decide if this is a good thing or bad. If all those Bankers, who are constantly threatening to move overseas, had done so before the last banking collapse, they'd have wrecked someone else's economy, and not ours! luv, Rog. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 05:17:27 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:17:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 Message-ID: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> So - what are you doing to fill the hours? I've found my 1980s copy of Trivial Pursuit in a cupboard. I'm getting bored with crosswords. Yesterday evening we and some neighbours had a gin and tonic and pizza party over Zoom, which was very successful. I hadn't heard of Zoom before Day 1, but I think a big chunk of the world will be on it now.? A friend's wife had a family meeting, including relatives around the world - 12 different sources. Apparently they're stripping shops of booze now.? My forecast is still that more will die from the reaction than from the disease. Meanwhile, reading around, I sense a mood change already. Other's are joining MD in his more down to earth assessment of what's going on. And those articles saying "Who started this?" are beginning to appear. And I've been loudly telling my family my opinions on why it has hit the Italians so hard ("Ciao, ciao" kiss, kiss). Attached is someone's opinion who has a bit more science than I do. Does anyone want to host a Zoom disorganised? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 22 Mar 2020, at 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > So - what are you doing to fill the hours? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TV Licence Scam.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 202552 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 22 05:52:01 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:52:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e774352.1c69fb81.fee7b.8547@mx.google.com> Having just returned from Amsterdam, two weeks ago, I put myself into quarantine, as that city went into lock-down a few days later. My friends and I had been on public transport and in restaurants, so could have unwittingly picked up the nasty. No symptoms, so ventured to my local Majestic and cleared out their stock of Villa Maria Sauvignon Blanc, so OK for a few days! Now occupying myself in dealing with paperwork admin, left untouched for months! So much so, that I missed paying my Mastercard statement in time, so will be stung for a ?12 charge. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2020 10:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 So - what are you doing to fill the hours? I've found my 1980s copy of Trivial Pursuit in a cupboard. I'm getting bored with crosswords. Yesterday evening we and some neighbours had a gin and tonic and pizza party over Zoom, which was very successful. I hadn't heard of Zoom before Day 1, but I think a big chunk of the world will be on it now.? A friend's wife had a family meeting, including relatives around the world - 12 different sources. Apparently they're stripping shops of booze now.? My forecast is still that more will die from the reaction than from the disease. Meanwhile, reading around, I sense a mood change already. Other's are joining MD in his more down to earth assessment of what's going on. And those articles saying "Who started this?" are beginning to appear. And I've been loudly telling my family my opinions on why it has hit the Italians so hard ("Ciao, ciao" kiss, kiss). Attached is someone's opinion who has a bit more science than I do. Does anyone want to host a Zoom disorganised? B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 22 06:00:09 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <427BBA50-E3B5-473A-9F9A-76804EF9C4A2@btinternet.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <427BBA50-E3B5-473A-9F9A-76804EF9C4A2@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e77453a.1c69fb81.f50a7.3437@mx.google.com> I?m waiting to be bothered by this TV Licence scam, as I have a paper document telling me what to do in the event of my free licence expiring, if it?s not rescinded by June. I was getting two or three attempt scam calls a day ? I let my answer machine collect them, usually rung off immediately, but caller display shows the number. I call back, but BT tell me: ?Not recognised? so the blighters are borrowing numbers to pretend to send from. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2020 10:36 To: Bernard Newnham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 Hi All, Also avoiding this obvious scam! You?d think he would learn to spell ?licence?. Apart from that the due date and Licence no. is wrong! Barry. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Out here in the commuter belt, where we normally keep ourselves to ourselves, neighbourliness is becoming apparent. Two of our younger neighbours have already asked if we need any shopping done. In fact we were already reasonably well stocked. We only have a modest fridge-freezer, so there's no point in over-stocking. Meanwhile, my wife Pat, who does most of her shopping on-line, has been placing orders for other neighbours who are less computer savvy. The only trouble is that, when the order arrives, it will be a very large one, and it may look like panic buying. We'll have to stick a sign up, saying, "This isn't just for us! There are three households' worth of shopping here!" But what has gone wrong with ethnic stereotyping? I saw some footage of Italian supermarkets on the news. The shelves were full! How come the British, who are noted for being cool, calm and collected; stiff upper lip; sang-froid; Blitz spirit, keep calm and carry on, etc, are panic buying? While the Italians, who are noted for being excitable and waving their arms about, are behaving sensibly? It seems that even racist cliches aren't working properly anymore! luv, Rog. P.S. What's Zoom? On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 10:18:05 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: So - what are you doing to fill the hours? I've found my 1980s copy of Trivial Pursuit in a cupboard. I'm getting bored with crosswords. Yesterday evening we and some neighbours had a gin and tonic and pizza party over Zoom, which was very successful. I hadn't heard of Zoom before Day 1, but I think a big chunk of the world will be on it now.? A friend's wife had a family meeting, including relatives around the world - 12 different sources. Apparently they're stripping shops of booze now.? My forecast is still that more will die from the reaction than from the disease. Meanwhile, reading around, I sense a mood change already. Other's are joining MD in his more down to earth assessment of what's going on. And those articles saying "Who started this?" are beginning to appear. And I've been loudly telling my family my opinions on why it has hit the Italians so hard ("Ciao, ciao" kiss, kiss). Attached is someone's opinion who has a bit more science than I do. Does anyone want to host a Zoom disorganised? B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Mar 22 06:21:49 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:21:49 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <1292142800.160664.1584875188874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <1292142800.160664.1584875188874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <045C1B629BE44BB28EAA44BC547A708F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I read recently that there was initially panic buying in Italy just as here. It only stopped when the inflow of goods to retail outlets was such that the shelves no longer looked empty and people were reassured and desisted from further excesses. Dave Newbitt. From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 11:06 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 Thoughts for Day 5 Some positives - A Prime Minister, whose catchphrase during his campaign was, "There is no Magic Money Tree!", has discovered that he had a Magic Money Tree all along! So, there may yet be hope for Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy, the Loch Ness Monster, etc. Just a shame that his predecessors, Cameron and Osborne, didn't make sparing use of that Magic Money to ensure the Health Service was at full strength, before this disaster hit. Out here in the commuter belt, where we normally keep ourselves to ourselves, neighbourliness is becoming apparent. Two of our younger neighbours have already asked if we need any shopping done. In fact we were already reasonably well stocked. We only have a modest fridge-freezer, so there's no point in over-stocking. Meanwhile, my wife Pat, who does most of her shopping on-line, has been placing orders for other neighbours who are less computer savvy. The only trouble is that, when the order arrives, it will be a very large one, and it may look like panic buying. We'll have to stick a sign up, saying, "This isn't just for us! There are three households' worth of shopping here!" But what has gone wrong with ethnic stereotyping? I saw some footage of Italian supermarkets on the news. The shelves were full! How come the British, who are noted for being cool, calm and collected; stiff upper lip; sang-froid; Blitz spirit, keep calm and carry on, etc, are panic buying? While the Italians, who are noted for being excitable and waving their arms about, are behaving sensibly? It seems that even racist cliches aren't working properly anymore! luv, Rog. P.S. What's Zoom? On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 10:18:05 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: So - what are you doing to fill the hours? I've found my 1980s copy of Trivial Pursuit in a cupboard. I'm getting bored with crosswords. Yesterday evening we and some neighbours had a gin and tonic and pizza party over Zoom, which was very successful. I hadn't heard of Zoom before Day 1, but I think a big chunk of the world will be on it now. A friend's wife had a family meeting, including relatives around the world - 12 different sources. Apparently they're stripping shops of booze now. My forecast is still that more will die from the reaction than from the disease. Meanwhile, reading around, I sense a mood change already. Other's are joining MD in his more down to earth assessment of what's going on. And those articles saying "Who started this?" are beginning to appear. And I've been loudly telling my family my opinions on why it has hit the Italians so hard ("Ciao, ciao" kiss, kiss). Attached is someone's opinion who has a bit more science than I do. Does anyone want to host a Zoom disorganised? B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 06:42:47 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:42:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <1292142800.160664.1584875188874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <1292142800.160664.1584875188874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Zoom Meetings is a video conferencing system, really intended for company use. It's one of those things that's free if you aren't commercial. You need a computer, a camera and a microphone. If you don't have the latter, you can buy them combined for under ?20 on eBay, though you probably want to make sure they come from a UK supplier. Once you have all that, and laptops come with them anyway, you download the Zoom software, the top one on the list. Install, then run, and click on Start Meeting, selecting "With Video". You should then see yourself. At the bottom of the window, click on "Invite". A popup will appear. Ignore the three big icons and click on "Copy Invitation". Paste the result into an email to those you want to invite. You might want to add a time. Then open the application just before the call time and wait to see if anyone turns up. No one did yesterday. If you're invited just click on the link. cheers B On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 11:09 AM ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Thoughts for Day 5 > > Some positives - A Prime Minister, whose catchphrase during his campaign > was, "There is no Magic Money Tree!", has discovered that he had a Magic > Money Tree all along! So, there may yet be hope for Father Christmas, the > Tooth Fairy, the Loch Ness Monster, etc. Just a shame that his > predecessors, Cameron and Osborne, didn't make sparing use of that Magic > Money to ensure the Health Service was at full strength, before this > disaster hit. > > Out here in the commuter belt, where we normally keep ourselves to > ourselves, neighbourliness is becoming apparent. Two of our younger > neighbours have already asked if we need any shopping done. In fact we were > already reasonably well stocked. We only have a modest fridge-freezer, so > there's no point in over-stocking. Meanwhile, my wife Pat, who does most of > her shopping on-line, has been placing orders for other neighbours who are > less computer savvy. The only trouble is that, when the order arrives, it > will be a very large one, and it may look like panic buying. We'll have to > stick a sign up, saying, "This isn't just for us! There are three > households' worth of shopping here!" > > But what has gone wrong with ethnic stereotyping? I saw some footage of > Italian supermarkets on the news. The shelves were full! How come the > British, who are noted for being cool, calm and collected; stiff upper lip; > sang-froid; Blitz spirit, keep calm and carry on, etc, are panic buying? > While the Italians, who are noted for being excitable and waving their arms > about, are behaving sensibly? It seems that even racist cliches aren't > working properly anymore! > > luv, Rog. > > P.S. What's Zoom? > > > > On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 10:18:05 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > So - what are you doing to fill the hours? > > I've found my 1980s copy of Trivial Pursuit in a cupboard. I'm getting > bored with crosswords. > > Yesterday evening we and some neighbours had a gin and tonic and pizza > party over Zoom, which was very successful. I hadn't heard of Zoom before > Day 1, but I think a big chunk of the world will be on it now. A friend's > wife had a family meeting, including relatives around the world - 12 > different sources. > > Apparently they're stripping shops of booze now. My forecast is still > that more will die from the reaction than from the disease. > > Meanwhile, reading around, I sense a mood change already. Other's are > joining MD in his more down to earth assessment of what's going on. And > those articles saying "Who started this?" are beginning to appear. > > And I've been loudly telling my family my opinions on why it has hit the > Italians so hard ("Ciao, ciao" kiss, kiss). Attached is someone's opinion > who has a bit more science than I do. > > Does anyone want to host a Zoom disorganised? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun Mar 22 06:57:17 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:57:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <1292142800.160664.1584875188874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david.jasma at sky.com Sun Mar 22 07:23:56 2020 From: david.jasma at sky.com (David Buckley) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <415846266.116305.1584869780370@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> <415846266.116305.1584869780370@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <110287685.231971.1584879836307@mail.yahoo.com> I'm with Roger and anyone else who suggests that the financial servcies should be shut down. I watched Simon King the other day on Sky at 1.30pm. Apparently the stock markets in the USA automatically close down for a time if the market drop is more than a certain amount (I think 10%). Which is why we have had a letter from our financial advisor to say that our savings have lost over 10% of their value!! (This is a requirement if the drop is more than 10%). Luckily, we don't rely on any income from this source. Dave Buckley On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 11:32:26 GMT, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: These days, I'm told, many trading decisions are made by computers. Whereas a Shouty Man throwing pieces of paper can make a trade in seconds, a computer can do so in nano-seconds. If the market starts to fall, the first person to sell makes the most money, the second is already making less. This means that you need to be as physically close to the trading floor (or wherever it is that the news first comes in) as possible, since even the length of the fibre-optic cable connecting your computer becomes critical. If it's a few metres longer than someone else's, you could be trading a nano-second too late (no I haven't checked the maths). So, those traders who say, "If you go for Brexit, I'll move to Frankfurt" (or wherever), won't do so. All the best pitches are already taken in Frankfurt. They'd find themselves further out, on longer cables. Can't decide if this is a good thing or bad. If all those Bankers, who are constantly threatening to move overseas, had done so before the last banking collapse, they'd have wrecked someone else's economy, and not ours! luv, Rog. On Saturday, 21 March 2020, 15:04:35 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all On 21/03/2020 11:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > But their panics are insignificant compared to the mega-panics of > those Hooray Henrys in red braces It's absolutely awful! How can anyone sane think it is a way to do business> When I was in IT, we designed and manufactured a high-speed Ethernet Bridge - which connected two known Local Area Networks. Our competitor was Cisco - who built routers -which? connected to any known Network.? Cisco won - we all use routers now. However, at the time, LIFFE - the London International Financial Futures Exchange - decided that they would buy out High Speed Ethernet Bridge to connect outlying offices to the central exchange - over 100 of them.? As we had had a recent scare over components, there was no time to functionally test the bridges before delivery (they had had a soak test (no, not in water, but an extended up-time test ). So, it was agreed that we would ship directly to LIFFE, and I (as Quality Manager) and a volunteer would do a functional test on each bridge before it was installed. We were busy doing this, and then a guy came along and absolutely ranted at us - never had anything like it - about us holding up the installation, blah, blah.? It was all totally unnecessary.? My volunteer was all set to walk out immediately and stuff them. My volunteer was a nice guy, and I managed to talk him round, and we finished the job.? Around 16:00 ish the ranter came back to us - and actually apologised, as he had not realised what we were doing.? But it was no excuse for his earlier behaviour. Anyway, as part of all this (was it on a pre-visit?) , we were shown the bidding floor .? It was pandemonium.? The bidders were shouting at full pitch, scribbling notes on bits of paper which they flung onto the floor. Other people had to scurry around, picking up these bits of paper and formalising the deals. Why, we asked, why?? There must be a better way ... The High Speed Bridges were used to connect the offices to the bidding floor, and it was made very clear to us that the offices could make a bid and the bid was valid as long as it "was on the breath.." So, seconds then.? So the bridges and network had to be responsive enough to mimic the bids on the floor. Ever since that day I have been in despair about the way the financial system works.? It is so stupid! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob:? ? 07789 561 346 home:? 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 22 07:34:59 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:34:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <110287685.231971.1584879836307@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> <415846266.116305.1584869780370@mail.yahoo.com> <110287685.231971.1584879836307@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e775b73.1c69fb81.f50a7.4c01@mx.google.com> Me, too. I?m with Lloyds Private Banking and all my investments are in ISA?s so avoiding Tax on the income, which I do rely upon to maintain a modest lifestyle! However, with the markets dropping low, it seems a good time to purchase some more investments, as recovery must happen? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Buckley via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2020 12:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; ROGER BUNCE Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 4 Which is why we have had a letter from our financial advisor to say that our savings have lost over 10% of their value!! (This is a requirement if the drop is more than 10%). Luckily, we don't rely on any income from this source. Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Mar 22 07:45:33 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:45:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 4 In-Reply-To: <110287685.231971.1584879836307@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1389022811.207553.1584791156579.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1389022811.207553.1584791156579@mail.yahoo.com> <60b3193c-04ac-34a5-3bd2-ca1486c66860@gmail.com> <415846266.116305.1584869780370@mail.yahoo.com> <110287685.231971.1584879836307@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <12DC2AAC-7684-4CA4-84DB-B39107FC71F0@icloud.com> Don?t know what % triggers it bu the US stock markets shut down for 8 minutes. That?s to avoid the spikes getting out of hand with automated trading. ? Graeme Wall > On 22 Mar 2020, at 12:23, David Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > > I'm with Roger and anyone else who suggests that the financial servcies should be shut down. I watched Simon King the other day on Sky at 1.30pm. Apparently the stock markets in the USA automatically close down for a time if the market drop is more than a certain amount (I think 10%). > > Which is why we have had a letter from our financial advisor to say that our savings have lost over 10% of their value!! (This is a requirement if the drop is more than 10%). Luckily, we don't rely on any income from this source. > > Dave Buckley > > On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 11:32:26 GMT, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > > These days, I'm told, many trading decisions are made by computers. Whereas a Shouty Man throwing pieces of paper can make a trade in seconds, a computer can do so in nano-seconds. If the market starts to fall, the first person to sell makes the most money, the second is already making less. This means that you need to be as physically close to the trading floor (or wherever it is that the news first comes in) as possible, since even the length of the fibre-optic cable connecting your computer becomes critical. If it's a few metres longer than someone else's, you could be trading a nano-second too late (no I haven't checked the maths). So, those traders who say, "If you go for Brexit, I'll move to Frankfurt" (or wherever), won't do so. All the best pitches are already taken in Frankfurt. They'd find themselves further out, on longer cables. > > Can't decide if this is a good thing or bad. If all those Bankers, who are constantly threatening to move overseas, had done so before the last banking collapse, they'd have wrecked someone else's economy, and not ours! > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 21 March 2020, 15:04:35 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > > Hi all > > On 21/03/2020 11:45, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > But their panics are insignificant compared to the mega-panics of > > those Hooray Henrys in red braces > > It's absolutely awful! How can anyone sane think it is a way to do business> > > When I was in IT, we designed and manufactured a high-speed Ethernet > Bridge - which connected two known Local Area Networks. Our competitor > was Cisco - who built routers -which connected to any known Network. > Cisco won - we all use routers now. > > However, at the time, LIFFE - the London International Financial Futures > Exchange - decided that they would buy out High Speed Ethernet Bridge to > connect outlying offices to the central exchange - over 100 of them. As > we had had a recent scare over components, there was no time to > functionally test the bridges before delivery (they had had a soak test > (no, not in water, but an extended up-time test ). So, it was agreed > that we would ship directly to LIFFE, and I (as Quality Manager) and a > volunteer would do a functional test on each bridge before it was > installed. > > We were busy doing this, and then a guy came along and absolutely ranted > at us - never had anything like it - about us holding up the > installation, blah, blah. It was all totally unnecessary. My volunteer > was all set to walk out immediately and stuff them. My volunteer was a > nice guy, and I managed to talk him round, and we finished the job. > Around 16:00 ish the ranter came back to us - and actually apologised, > as he had not realised what we were doing. But it was no excuse for his > earlier behaviour. > > Anyway, as part of all this (was it on a pre-visit?) , we were shown the > bidding floor . It was pandemonium. The bidders were shouting at full > pitch, scribbling notes on bits of paper which they flung onto the > floor. Other people had to scurry around, picking up these bits of paper > and formalising the deals. Why, we asked, why? There must be a better > way ... The High Speed Bridges were used to connect the offices to the > bidding floor, and it was made very clear to us that the offices could > make a bid and the bid was valid as long as it "was on the breath.." So, > seconds then. So the bridges and network had to be responsive enough to > mimic the bids on the floor. > > Ever since that day I have been in despair about the way the financial > system works. It is so stupid! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Mar 22 08:01:45 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:01:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <045C1B629BE44BB28EAA44BC547A708F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <045C1B629BE44BB28EAA44BC547A708F@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <58553b96a0dave@davesound.co.uk> Interesting to see the pics of the West End of London near deserted. Just read on my local FB group someone complaining bitterly about getting a parking ticket in Richmond Park today. Seems all the car parks were full, so parked on the grass. Along with many others. -- *When I'm not in my right mind, my left mind gets pretty crowded * Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 09:31:23 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:31:23 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] What we are doing to fill the hours Message-ID: <002101d60056$9012ffc0$b038ff40$@gmail.com> My wife and I have been doing some of our old jigsaw puzzles from when the children were young and really enjoying them. 500 piece ones fit nicely on our foldaway picnic table and can be left out till done, which sometimes takes days as we do bits of it between-whiles. We?ve been trying to keep to our normal Sunday schedule and with our church shut like most if not all, have been watching a couple of live streamed services online. Some have better picture quality than others but the main problem has been the lip sync which in some cases was well out. Strangely in one case it was as OK on one camera but not on others and I don?t know why. It was good that they did it anyway as our church hasn?t got to it yet. We?ve just had our Sunday roast and this afternoon I?ll be going out on my bike as usual but keeping clear of others. We are planning to keep isolated as far as possible apart from when we need to collect medication. Thankfully we have a milkman and the bakery where we usually get our bread has agreed to deliver. Am I worried about the current situation and whether we?ll survive? Yes, but trying not to let these thoughts dominate. As a wise person has said to the anxious, ?We?re all going to die one day, but on all the other days we won?t? Let?s do our best to enjoy them, Best wishes to all, Geoff Hawkes On 22 Mar 2020, at 10:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? So - what are you doing to fill the hours? I've found my 1980s copy of Trivial Pursuit in a cupboard. I'm getting bored with crosswords. Yesterday evening we and some neighbours had a gin and tonic and pizza party over Zoom, which was very successful. I hadn't heard of Zoom before Day 1, but I think a big chunk of the world will be on it now. A friend's wife had a family meeting, including relatives around the world - 12 different sources. Apparently they're stripping shops of booze now. My forecast is still that more will die from the reaction than from the disease. Meanwhile, reading around, I sense a mood change already. Other's are joining MD in his more down to earth assessment of what's going on. And those articles saying "Who started this?" are beginning to appear. And I've been loudly telling my family my opinions on why it has hit the Italians so hard ("Ciao, ciao" kiss, kiss). Attached is someone's opinion who has a bit more science than I do. Does anyone want to host a Zoom disorganised? B <7.jpg> -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 09:45:41 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:45:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, On 22/03/2020 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > So - what are you doing to fill the hours? There's always a novel to write. All of you are creatives, Many of you write very well.? Some of you have chunks of anecdotes already written, just slot them in. Some of you have experience of book editing. Put it all together, and ... A novel should, it is said, include elements of autobiography, sex, religion and mystery. Although "My God, I'm pregnant, who done it?" meets these criteria,a novel or novella is usually longer. I'll give you a plot: the rest is up to you. =============== *Inspector Willoughby's Casebook* The novel is set somewhere in the late nineteen-sixties to mid-nineteen eighties A regular weekly police procedural - with elements of? humour thrown in where appropriate, has two days rehearsal in the studio, and goes out live to an audience of around 15 million every Thursday evening. In this episode, there is, unusually, a four sided set - a small lavatory (WC) in a pub.? In the script, the actor/actress goes into the WC, and dies. Lots of description of rehearsal, preparing for transmission, actors taking places and so on. On transmission, the actor/actress goes into the WC.? At the end of the scene, he(she) does not come out.? At the end of transmission, the stage manager goes to the toilet door, and the actor/actress falls forward - really dead. The crew start talking amongst themselves about what happened.? Both the vision mixer and the vision control guy saw something/someone out of context very briefly as a camera was moving from one set to another. The real police are called in, everyone is questioned.? The people who most likely could have seen something are the boom operators, up high on their? boom platforms. "Murder" decides the police doctor - describe the pathology. The police are baffled: there are no immediate answers to the six little friends ".What and Why and When and How and "here and Who.." (Rudyard Kipling) with another friend "Who benefits?" (Or, if you prefer "If you try to run, I've got six little friends and they can all run faster than you can. (Seth in "From Dusk 'til Dawn")) A member of the crew is friendly with one of the scriptwriters, and they meet in the pub.? "In your scripts, you solve this sort of problem every week, in 50 minutes. Surely you can find the answer?". Together, the scriptwriters and crew try to solve the mystery. ================ Now, there are plenty of solutions to closed door mysteries (see Jonathan Creek).? How is the mystery solved: was it a fellow actor/actress, a family member, someone who works on the show .. the possibilities are endless. So OVER TO YOU !!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 22 10:23:50 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:23:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e778306.1c69fb81.ef9a4.f427@mx.google.com> Well, Alec and all, This latest world-infecting virus smacks of a Bond story. Some Foreign megalomaniac, intent on destroying the west?s economy and therefore taking over the world, constructs a harmful virus and releases it to all and sundry. M sends in Bond to trace the bugger and dispose of him, while finding the antidote etc.etc. (Well done, 007, take some leave, but Moneypenny stays here!). There have been several films with a deadly virus plot (Andromeda Strain, Outbreak etc https://www.thewrap.com/virus-outbreak-movies-coronavirus-hackers-seventh-seal-contagion/ for full list) Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2020 14:45 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 Hi all, On 22/03/2020 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: So - what are you doing to fill the hours? There's always a novel to write. All of you are creatives, Many of you write very well.? Some of you have chunks of anecdotes already written, just slot them in. Some of you have experience of book editing.? Put it all together, and ... A novel should, it is said, include elements of autobiography, sex, religion and mystery. Although "My God, I'm pregnant, who done it?" meets these criteria,a novel or novella is usually longer. I'll give you a plot: the rest is up to you. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sun Mar 22 10:24:29 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:24:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: How could the actor die in this 4-walled loo? 1. Slow acting poison so they were already dying before they went in. 2. Quiet projectile weapon from lighting gantry, assuming there was no ceiling on the loo. 3. Sword through pre-prepared hole - might not hit a fatal spot unless you could see what you were doing. 4. Poison needle placed where the victim could prick themselves - bit unreliable. 5. If they had a weak heart, you could put a scary picture inside the loo door so they had a heart attack when they closed it - even more unreliable! 6. Run out of ideas. I don't think I'd be much good as a murderer/author: not imaginative enough. John On 22/03/2020 14:45, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > On 22/03/2020 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> So - what are you doing to fill the hours? > > There's always a novel to write. All of you are creatives, Many of you > write very well.? Some of you have chunks of anecdotes already written, > just slot them in. Some of you have experience of book editing. Put it > all together, and ... > > A novel should, it is said, include elements of autobiography, sex, > religion and mystery. Although "My God, I'm pregnant, who done it?" > meets these criteria,a novel or novella is usually longer. > > I'll give you a plot: the rest is up to you. > > =============== > > *Inspector Willoughby's Casebook* > > The novel is set somewhere in the late nineteen-sixties to mid-nineteen > eighties > > A regular weekly police procedural - with elements of? humour thrown in > where appropriate, has two days rehearsal in the studio, and goes out > live to an audience of around 15 million every Thursday evening. > > In this episode, there is, unusually, a four sided set - a small > lavatory (WC) in a pub.? In the script, the actor/actress goes into the > WC, and dies. > > Lots of description of rehearsal, preparing for transmission, actors > taking places and so on. > > On transmission, the actor/actress goes into the WC.? At the end of the > scene, he(she) does not come out.? At the end of transmission, the stage > manager goes to the toilet door, and the actor/actress falls forward - > really dead. > > The crew start talking amongst themselves about what happened.? Both the > vision mixer and the vision control guy saw something/someone out of > context very briefly as a camera was moving from one set to another. > > The real police are called in, everyone is questioned.? The people who > most likely could have seen something are the boom operators, up high on > their? boom platforms. > > "Murder" decides the police doctor - describe the pathology. > > The police are baffled: there are no immediate answers to the six little > friends ".What and Why and When and How and "here and Who.." (Rudyard > Kipling) with another friend "Who benefits?" (Or, if you prefer "If you > try to run, I've got six little friends and they can all run faster than > you can. (Seth in "From Dusk 'til Dawn")) > > A member of the crew is friendly with one of the scriptwriters, and they > meet in the pub.? "In your scripts, you solve this sort of problem every > week, in 50 minutes. Surely you can find the answer?". > > Together, the scriptwriters and crew try to solve the mystery. > > ================ > > > Now, there are plenty of solutions to closed door mysteries (see > Jonathan Creek).? How is the mystery solved: was it a fellow > actor/actress, a family member, someone who works on the show .. the > possibilities are endless. > > So OVER TO YOU !!! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 22 10:38:25 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:38:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Filling the hours In-Reply-To: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e778671.1c69fb81.9c61a.d0e9@mx.google.com> Well, there?s always daytime television! The abandonment of new filming for the soaps, gives an excuse for running old episodes. This is not new ? look at the Freeview listings for weekends. They say all programmes are repeats (honest of them) but the schedulers are lazy! Multiple back-to-back episodes of most of the series. Do they have a vision of the target audience as being like the Royle Family? Sprawled out on a sofa, with nothing better to do? Yes, probably. Pat (lying in bed with a glass of Sauvignon Blanc....!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2020 10:17 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 So - what are you doing to fill the hours? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 22 11:07:02 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:07:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e778d26.1c69fb81.7289c.7088@mx.google.com> Or... A) The cistern had been tampered with, and when he pressed the flush button, instead of water, a odourless nerve gas was released, and rapidly dispersible so the investigating team would not be affected. B) An assassin was stretched between the side walls, and dropped onto him to dispatch him. (Any clues as to the cause of death ? visible signs etc.) Where are Poirot, Morse and Barnaby when you need them? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: 22 March 2020 15:24 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 How could the actor die in this 4-walled loo? 1. Slow acting poison so they were already dying before they went in. 2. Quiet projectile weapon from lighting gantry, assuming there was no ceiling on the loo. 3. Sword through pre-prepared hole - might not hit a fatal spot unless you could see what you were doing. 4. Poison needle placed where the victim could prick themselves - bit unreliable. 5. If they had a weak heart, you could put a scary picture inside the loo door so they had a heart attack when they closed it - even more unreliable! 6. Run out of ideas. I don't think I'd be much good as a murderer/author: not imaginative enough. John On 22/03/2020 14:45, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > Hi all, > > On 22/03/2020 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> So - what are you doing to fill the hours? > > There's always a novel to write. All of you are creatives, Many of you > > > A novel should, it is said, include elements of autobiography, sex, > religion and mystery. Although "My God, I'm pregnant, who done it?" > meets these criteria,a novel or novella is usually longer. > > I'll give you a plot: the rest is up to you. > > =============== > > *Inspector Willoughby's Casebook* > > The novel is set somewhere in the late nineteen-sixties to mid-nineteen > eighties > > A regular weekly police procedural - with elements of? humour thrown in > where appropriate, has two days rehearsal in the studio, and goes out > live to an audience of around 15 million every Thursday evening. > > In this episode, there is, unusually, a four sided set - a small > lavatory (WC) in a pub.? In the script, the actor/actress goes into the > WC, and dies. > > Lots of description of rehearsal, preparing for transmission, actors > taking places and so on. > > On transmission, the actor/actress goes into the WC.? At the end of the > scene, he(she) does not come out.? At the end of transmission, the stage > manager goes to the toilet door, and the actor/actress falls forward - > really dead. > > The crew start talking amongst themselves about what happened.? Both the > vision mixer and the vision control guy saw something/someone out of > context very briefly as a camera was moving from one set to another. > > The real police are called in, everyone is questioned.? The people who > most likely could have seen something are the boom operators, up high on > their? boom platforms. > > "Murder" decides the police doctor - describe the pathology. > > The police are baffled: there are no immediate answers to the six little > friends ".What and Why and When and How and "here and Who.." (Rudyard > Kipling) with another friend "Who benefits?" (Or, if you prefer "If you > try to run, I've got six little friends and they can all run faster than > you can. (Seth in "From Dusk 'til Dawn")) > > A member of the crew is friendly with one of the scriptwriters, and they > meet in the pub.? "In your scripts, you solve this sort of problem every > week, in 50 minutes. Surely you can find the answer?". > > Together, the scriptwriters and crew try to solve the mystery. > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Mar 22 11:31:55 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:31:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <5e778d26.1c69fb81.7289c.7088@mx.google.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <5e778d26.1c69fb81.7289c.7088@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9D10A0C6-C297-4252-9319-102DA848A7DB@icloud.com> It was the sparks wot dunnit! ? Graeme Wall > On 22 Mar 2020, at 16:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Or... > ? The cistern had been tampered with, and when he pressed the flush button, instead of water, a odourless nerve gas was released, and rapidly dispersible so the investigating team would not be affected. > ? An assassin was stretched between the side walls, and dropped onto him to dispatch him. (Any clues as to the cause of death ? visible signs etc.) > Where are Poirot, Morse and Barnaby when you need them? > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: John Nottage via Tech1 > Sent: 22 March 2020 15:24 > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 > > How could the actor die in this 4-walled loo? > 1. Slow acting poison so they were already dying before they went in. > 2. Quiet projectile weapon from lighting gantry, assuming there was no > ceiling on the loo. > 3. Sword through pre-prepared hole - might not hit a fatal spot unless > you could see what you were doing. > 4. Poison needle placed where the victim could prick themselves - bit > unreliable. > 5. If they had a weak heart, you could put a scary picture inside the > loo door so they had a heart attack when they closed it - even more > unreliable! > 6. Run out of ideas. I don't think I'd be much good as a > murderer/author: not imaginative enough. > > John > > On 22/03/2020 14:45, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > On 22/03/2020 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > >> So - what are you doing to fill the hours? > > > > There's always a novel to write. All of you are creatives, Many of you > > > > > > A novel should, it is said, include elements of autobiography, sex, > > religion and mystery. Although "My God, I'm pregnant, who done it?" > > meets these criteria,a novel or novella is usually longer. > > > > I'll give you a plot: the rest is up to you. > > > > =============== > > > > *Inspector Willoughby's Casebook* > > > > The novel is set somewhere in the late nineteen-sixties to mid-nineteen > > eighties > > > > A regular weekly police procedural - with elements of humour thrown in > > where appropriate, has two days rehearsal in the studio, and goes out > > live to an audience of around 15 million every Thursday evening. > > > > In this episode, there is, unusually, a four sided set - a small > > lavatory (WC) in a pub. In the script, the actor/actress goes into the > > WC, and dies. > > > > Lots of description of rehearsal, preparing for transmission, actors > > taking places and so on. > > > > On transmission, the actor/actress goes into the WC. At the end of the > > scene, he(she) does not come out. At the end of transmission, the stage > > manager goes to the toilet door, and the actor/actress falls forward - > > really dead. > > > > The crew start talking amongst themselves about what happened. Both the > > vision mixer and the vision control guy saw something/someone out of > > context very briefly as a camera was moving from one set to another. > > > > The real police are called in, everyone is questioned. The people who > > most likely could have seen something are the boom operators, up high on > > their boom platforms. > > > > "Murder" decides the police doctor - describe the pathology. > > > > The police are baffled: there are no immediate answers to the six little > > friends ".What and Why and When and How and "here and Who.." (Rudyard > > Kipling) with another friend "Who benefits?" (Or, if you prefer "If you > > try to run, I've got six little friends and they can all run faster than > > you can. (Seth in "From Dusk 'til Dawn")) > > > > A member of the crew is friendly with one of the scriptwriters, and they > > meet in the pub. "In your scripts, you solve this sort of problem every > > week, in 50 minutes. Surely you can find the answer?". > > > > Together, the scriptwriters and crew try to solve the mystery. > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 11:43:27 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:43:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw From Geoff Hawkes Message-ID: <13e45e6a-2f02-7569-c41a-692f96a24fc8@gmail.com> My wife and I have been doing some of our old jigsaw puzzles from when the children were young and really enjoying them. 500 piece ones fit nicely on our foldaway picnic table and can be left out till done, which sometimes takes days as we do bits of it between whiles. We?ve been trying to keep to our normal Sunday schedule and with our church shut like most if not all, we?ve been watching a couple of services live streamed online. Some have better picture quality than others but the main problem has been the lip sync which in some cases was well lagging. Strangely in one case it was as OK on one camera but not on others and I don?t know why. It was good that they did it anyway as our church hasn?t got to it yet. We?re about to have our Sunday roast as normal and this afternoon I?ll be going out on my bike as usual but keeping clear of others. We are planning to keep isolated as far as possible apart from when we need to collect medication. Thankfully we have a milkman and the bakery where we usually get our bread have agreed to deliver. Am I worried about the current situation and whether we?ll survive? Yes, but trying not to let these thoughts dominate. As some wise person once said, ?We?re all going to die one day, but on all the other days we won?t? Let?s do our best to enjoy them, Best wishes to all, Geoff Hawkes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 11:50:32 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <885879839.416919.1584895832819@mail.yahoo.com> The obvious suspect is the Stage Manager. The Actor/Actress had simply fallen asleep in the loo (possibly succumbing to the sedative in his/her tea). When the Stage Manager opened the door, he stabbed her and then cried, "I've just found a body! She was dead already, honest!" There was apparently a real-life historical case of a locked-room murder. A pre-revolutionary Russian Countess (or such like) was jostled by a rebellious crowd as she boarded a ship, but suffered no ill effects. Later, she went to her cabin, to change for dinner. Naturally, she locked the door. She never emerged. Eventually, they had to break the door down and found her dead, having been stabbed. There was no sign of an intruder, or a knife. The explanation lay in her corset. Ladies of the time wore ludicrously tight corsets. The Countess had been stabbed when she was jostled by the crowd. But the corset held the wound together so tightly that there was no bleeding and no internal damage. Only when she loosened the corset, did the wound open and her bits came apart. (I'm sure I've heard of motorcyclists, walking away from horrible crashes, only to die when they unfastened their helmet - the helmet having held their shattered skull together!) Will Inspector Willoughby be played by Holly? luv, Rog.? On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 14:46:09 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, On 22/03/2020 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: So - what are you doing to fill the hours? There's always a novel to write. All of you are creatives, Many of you write very well.? Some of you have chunks of anecdotes already written, just slot them in. Some of you have experience of book editing.? Put it all together, and ... A novel should, it is said, include elements of autobiography, sex, religion and mystery. Although "My God, I'm pregnant, who done it?" meets these criteria,a novel or novella is usually longer. I'll give you a plot: the rest is up to you. =============== *Inspector Willoughby's Casebook* The novel is set somewhere in the late nineteen-sixties to mid-nineteen eighties A regular weekly police procedural - with elements of? humour thrown in where appropriate, has two days rehearsal in the studio, and goes out live to an audience of around 15 million every Thursday evening. In this episode, there is, unusually, a four sided set - a small lavatory (WC) in a pub.? In the script, the actor/actress goes into the WC, and dies. Lots of description of rehearsal, preparing for transmission, actors taking places and so on. On transmission, the actor/actress goes into the WC.? At the end of the scene, he(she) does not come out.? At the end of transmission, the stage manager goes to the toilet door, and the actor/actress falls forward - really dead. The crew start talking amongst themselves about what happened.? Both the vision mixer and the vision control guy saw something/someone out of context very briefly as a camera was moving from one set to another.? The real police are called in, everyone is questioned.? The people who most likely could have seen something are the boom operators, up high on their? boom platforms. "Murder" decides the police doctor - describe the pathology. The police are baffled: there are no immediate answers to the six little friends ".What and Why and When and How and "here and Who.." (Rudyard Kipling) with another friend "Who benefits?" (Or, if you prefer "If you try to run, I've got six little friends and they can all run faster than you can. (Seth in "From Dusk 'til Dawn")) A member of the crew is friendly with one of the scriptwriters, and they meet in the pub.? "In your scripts, you solve this sort of problem every week, in 50 minutes. Surely you can find the answer?". Together, the scriptwriters and crew try to solve the mystery. ================ Now, there are plenty of solutions to closed door mysteries (see Jonathan Creek).? How is the mystery solved: was it a fellow actor/actress, a family member, someone who works on the show .. the possibilities are endless. So OVER TO YOU !!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 12:12:53 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:12:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <5e778d26.1c69fb81.7289c.7088@mx.google.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <5e778d26.1c69fb81.7289c.7088@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1630ee1d-dae5-6f0d-5eb6-bd8c668e9d18@gmail.com> Hi all, On 22/03/2020 16:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The cistern had been tampered with, Now this assumes that the cistern was "practical" - that is, it actually worked in the studio. Although we sometimes had practical washbasins (did we?), a practical loo would be problematic. But a pressure release on the canister might be doable, so that when the character sat on the loo, the pressure released a quick acting, quick dispersing, locally disruptive gas! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Sun Mar 22 12:23:46 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:23:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <1630ee1d-dae5-6f0d-5eb6-bd8c668e9d18@gmail.com> Message-ID: Practical loo s are problematic but possible, practical loo s on a stage where the cubicals truck in to shot are used then truck off are even more difficult, but was regarded as entertainment by channel four! The most difficult bit was convincing the scenic crew to empty and clean. Not my favorite show to work on! Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 22 March 2020 17:13 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Reply to: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 Hi all, On 22/03/2020 16:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The cistern had been tampered with, Now this assumes that the cistern was "practical" - that is, it actually worked in the studio. Although we sometimes had practical washbasins (did we?), a practical loo would be problematic. But a pressure release on the canister might be doable, so that when the character sat on the loo, the pressure released a quick acting, quick dispersing, locally disruptive gas! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob:??? 07789 561 346 home:?? 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at paulholman.com Sun Mar 22 13:13:01 2020 From: paul at paulholman.com (Paul Holman) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:13:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <1292142800.160664.1584875188874@mail.yahoo.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <1292142800.160664.1584875188874@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <386d2e04-d68f-95f4-1d3f-133e5fe99208@paulholman.com> Rog > While the Italians, who are noted for being excitable and waving their > arms about, are behaving sensibly? If you'd watched the news more fully, you would have seen that when this crisis first started in Lombardy and the Veneto, the Italians in the areas concerned panic bought just like we have. Supermarkets were almost stripped bare in days when the first town closures happened. Now the lock-down has happened they simply can't behave like that any more. Italy also has a different food supply chain to ours. Far less is imported. They also have a different eating pattern generally, being far less reliant on ready meals and take aways compared to the UK. When things have to step up a notch here, and I'm sure it can't be put off much longer, things will be different. A lot of people will find the changes to their lifestyle and diet very challenging. I hope people on this list appreciate quite how desperate this situation is for people currently working in TV. Just about all production has ceased and most people are freelance now, without any sort of compensation or benefits available is already causing huge worry and distress. Paul Holman (still working until two weeks ago, but everything now gone) From doug.prior at talktalk.net Sun Mar 22 13:55:38 2020 From: doug.prior at talktalk.net (doug prior) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:55:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Day5 Message-ID: <114236555.240290.1584903338430@apps.talktalk.co.uk> My electrician son - gutted that his local "tradesmen" pub was closed -.had to go to Sainsbury's for supplies. Ironic then that the only beer on otherwise empty shelves was Corona ! Doug Prior Sent from OX Mail -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave From alanaudio at me.com Sun Mar 22 16:28:57 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:28:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Streaming / broadcasting ideas please Message-ID: In order to liven up self isolation in our village, I?m pondering the idea of getting some of the better musicians in our village to come along one or two at a time and play a social distancing concert, which other people in the village could follow on their smart phones and tablets. I?ve got all the audio gear and speakers, but what I haven?t worked out is how best to stream it to about 40 people. My first thought was to try setting up a FaceTime group, but that has an upper limit of 32 participants, which is a touch too low. What would you guys recommend? Ideally it should be free of charge to originate and receive, able to handle decent quality video and audio and not much of a delay because some people may tune in within earshot of the performance. Using software already in iPhones would be a huge bonus, which is why Facetime groups were so appealing. Alan Taylor From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 16:33:22 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:33:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV licence scam Message-ID: My wife, being a little older than me was the first to get the free licence and the first to get the e-mail scam about it! I didn't receive Barry Bonner's e-mail on the subject, I wonder why? Anyway, I have now told her to refer all queries about anything technical or monetary to me as I have loads more scepticism than she has! Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Sun Mar 22 17:02:59 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:02:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] .vlc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you Windows or Mac, Dave? VLC Media Player v3.0.8 works fine for me. It?s my media player of choice, set in Windows 10 as prog default. Also invaluable is Any Video Converter Professional which I must have paid for at some point. Converts pretty much anything to anything. One off purchase lasts forever with regular additions and updates. Same licence working on desktop and laptop. Also handy if you like to download YouTube (or other) videos is Icecream Screen Recorder. Not sure if that was free or not. Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 22 Mar 2020, at 21:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I think that vlc is getting worse, not better, with each new version. I detailed my moans to them and they said that they were hoping to fix my issues before Christmas but it is still as bad with .mp4 and .mkv videos. The, also free MPC-HC, is far better at those type of files and now that you can alter many more parameters than the earlier mpc app. it is becoming my player of choice. Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 17:14:44 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:14:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] .vlc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86300b77-2520-afd0-b740-31c505954c5e@btinternet.com> I am still sticking with W7 as long as possible as all my HDs are quite small! AVC Pro I have (plus crack) and I use all the time to convert and d/l YouTube videos and convert .vobs to one continous movie. On 22/03/2020 22:02, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Are you Windows or Mac, Dave? VLC Media Player v3.0.8 works fine for me. It?s my media player of choice, set in Windows 10 as prog default. Also invaluable is Any Video Converter Professional which I must have paid for at some point. Converts pretty much anything to anything. One off purchase lasts forever with regular additions and updates. Same licence working on desktop and laptop. Also handy if you like to download YouTube (or other) videos is Icecream Screen Recorder. Not sure if that was free or not. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 22 Mar 2020, at 21:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?I think that vlc is getting worse, not better, with each new version. I detailed my moans to them and they said that they were hoping to fix my issues before Christmas but it is still as bad with .mp4 and .mkv videos. The, also free MPC-HC, is far better at those type of files and now that you can alter many more parameters than the earlier mpc app. it is becoming my player of choice. Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 17:32:05 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:32:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <1630ee1d-dae5-6f0d-5eb6-bd8c668e9d18@gmail.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <5e778d26.1c69fb81.7289c.7088@mx.google.com> <1630ee1d-dae5-6f0d-5eb6-bd8c668e9d18@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1659217414.640275.1584916325017@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alec, You have reminded me of something - I have already written a novel! I wrote it in 1988, although (to nearly quote Hitchhiker's Guide) I haven't had it published yet, so I ought to warn you, I'm in a mean mood! (No, I didn't write it in crayon!) So, the question is - is anyone bored enough to want to read it? O.K. Probably not yet! But there are 24 chapters, so if I send them out, two per week, it'll just about cover the lockdown period. (They are long chapters!) It may not be to everyone's taste. If you want to know what it's about, there's a clue in the title - ????????????"GOTHIC ?BY ?GASLIGHT" and if that doesn't give you a feel for the thing, the opening line is - ????????"It all began during the Great Fog of 1888." No cliche knowingly overlooked! Let me know when you're bored enough. And now I've been reminded of it, does anyone know a friendly publisher? - or does anyone know how to publish stuff electrically? luv, Rog. On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 17:13:23 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, On 22/03/2020 16:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The cistern had been tampered with, Now this assumes that the cistern was "practical" - that is, it actually worked in the studio. Although we sometimes had practical washbasins (did we?), a practical loo would be problematic. But a pressure release on the canister might be doable, so that when the character sat on the loo, the pressure released a quick acting, quick dispersing, locally disruptive gas! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob:? ? 07789 561 346 home:? 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Mar 22 18:10:08 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:10:08 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] .vlc In-Reply-To: <86300b77-2520-afd0-b740-31c505954c5e@btinternet.com> References: <86300b77-2520-afd0-b740-31c505954c5e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, Don't have a broad enough experience to recommend one media player over another, but for YouTube downloads I find 4K Video Downloader excellent and incredibly simple to use. Free version is here https://www.4kdownload.com/products/product-videodownloader Regards, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 10:14 PM To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] .vlc I am still sticking with W7 as long as possible as all my HDs are quite small! AVC Pro I have (plus crack) and I use all the time to convert and d/l YouTube videos and convert .vobs to one continous movie. On 22/03/2020 22:02, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Are you Windows or Mac, Dave? VLC Media Player v3.0.8 works fine for me. > It?s my media player of choice, set in Windows 10 as prog default. Also > invaluable is Any Video Converter Professional which I must have paid for > at some point. Converts pretty much anything to anything. One off purchase > lasts forever with regular additions and updates. Same licence working on > desktop and laptop. Also handy if you like to download YouTube (or other) > videos is Icecream Screen Recorder. Not sure if that was free or not. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 22 Mar 2020, at 21:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ?I think that vlc is getting worse, not better, with each new version. I >> detailed my moans to them and they said that they were hoping to fix my >> issues before Christmas but it is still as bad with .mp4 and .mkv videos. >> The, also free MPC-HC, is far better at those type of files and now that >> you can alter many more parameters than the earlier mpc app. it is >> becoming my player of choice. Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Mar 22 18:15:15 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:15:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Streaming / broadcasting ideas please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8d3610f8-f1c7-ec39-4db3-0ac6b32088ba@ntlworld.com> There's always a delay, i don't think you can do anything about that.? I use YouTube for my bird box camera. Easy to set up using OBS Studio. For this - http://www.ltfc.org.uk/webcam1.html I use Unreal Media Server - http://umediaserver.net/umediaserver/index.html B On 22/03/2020 21:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > In order to liven up self isolation in our village, I?m pondering the idea of getting some of the better musicians in our village to come along one or two at a time and play a social distancing concert, which other people in the village could follow on their smart phones and tablets. > > I?ve got all the audio gear and speakers, but what I haven?t worked out is how best to stream it to about 40 people. My first thought was to try setting up a FaceTime group, but that has an upper limit of 32 participants, which is a touch too low. > > What would you guys recommend? > > Ideally it should be free of charge to originate and receive, able to handle decent quality video and audio and not much of a delay because some people may tune in within earshot of the performance. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 22 19:16:38 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 00:16:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old negatives In-Reply-To: <0red0g48pel661twh6algusl.1584921622915@email.android.com> References: <0red0g48pel661twh6algusl.1584921622915@email.android.com> Message-ID: My Canon Scanner 9950f comes with several different frames for negatives of all shapes and sizes which you just slot in having removed the normal white slot-in for photo-copying. It works a treat! Cheers, Dave On 23/03/2020 00:00, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > Subject: Old negatives > > > > Gentlefolk - someone on another forum I'm on has an interesting > question:? he has a quantity of old negatives, really old - pre-1942, > so possibly 35mm but more likely larger format, probably 120.? He > doesn't want the trouble and expense of getting them printed, just > scanned - phase-reversed, of course. Any comments gratefully accepted. > > Thanks and best wishes to all -? Vern > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 23 02:39:28 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 07:39:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old negatives In-Reply-To: <0red0g48pel661twh6algusl.1584921622915@email.android.com> References: <0red0g48pel661twh6algusl.1584921622915@email.android.com> Message-ID: <2C33A527-1BE5-47BF-8735-FC21D22036FD@me.com> I had a few very large negatives to scan ( quarter plate ? ) and it wouldn?t have been worth spending money on special equipment. My solution was to use my ordinary scanner with a nice even light source and turn it into a transparency scanner. The scanner lid was left open, the negative placed on the bed and I used my iPad as a lightsource, displaying a blank document. When trying to scan some 35mm transparencies I did consider that for colour work, displaying a tinted document could colour correct while scanning, leaving less to do in post production. The results weren?t perfect, but we?re still pretty damn good. The biggest drawback being the the surface of the negative is being illuminated so what you?re seeing is a combination of transmitted and reflected light. I found that one side of the negative sometimes looked batter than the other when scanned. Graphics software easily turns negatives into positives and flips images the right way round. If you?ve timer on your hands, you probably already have all the gear needed, so why not give it a try? Alan Taylor > On 23 Mar 2020, at 00:00, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > Subject: Old negatives > > > > Gentlefolk - someone on another forum I'm on has an interesting question: he has a quantity of old negatives, really old - pre-1942, so possibly 35mm but more likely larger format, probably 120. He doesn't want the trouble and expense of getting them printed, just scanned - phase-reversed, of course. Any comments gratefully accepted. > > Thanks and best wishes to all - Vern > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Mar 23 03:16:23 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:16:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old negatives In-Reply-To: <2C33A527-1BE5-47BF-8735-FC21D22036FD@me.com> References: <0red0g48pel661twh6algusl.1584921622915@email.android.com> <2C33A527-1BE5-47BF-8735-FC21D22036FD@me.com> Message-ID: Another use for an iPad, or other tablet, with a blank document is as a substitute light box for use as a slide/neg sorter. It?s a reasonable approximation to natural light. ? Graeme Wall > On 23 Mar 2020, at 07:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I had a few very large negatives to scan ( quarter plate ? ) and it wouldn?t have been worth spending money on special equipment. > > My solution was to use my ordinary scanner with a nice even light source and turn it into a transparency scanner. The scanner lid was left open, the negative placed on the bed and I used my iPad as a lightsource, displaying a blank document. When trying to scan some 35mm transparencies I did consider that for colour work, displaying a tinted document could colour correct while scanning, leaving less to do in post production. > > The results weren?t perfect, but we?re still pretty damn good. The biggest drawback being the the surface of the negative is being illuminated so what you?re seeing is a combination of transmitted and reflected light. > > I found that one side of the negative sometimes looked batter than the other when scanned. Graphics software easily turns negatives into positives and flips images the right way round. > > If you?ve timer on your hands, you probably already have all the gear needed, so why not give it a try? > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 00:00, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> Subject: Old negatives >> >> >> >> Gentlefolk - someone on another forum I'm on has an interesting question: he has a quantity of old negatives, really old - pre-1942, so possibly 35mm but more likely larger format, probably 120. He doesn't want the trouble and expense of getting them printed, just scanned - phase-reversed, of course. Any comments gratefully accepted. >> >> Thanks and best wishes to all - Vern >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Mon Mar 23 03:52:45 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:52:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old negatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Indeed, I?ve used a laptop to act as a lightbox for videoing a transparency. I was shooting a show about an advertising campaign and the creatives brought along a sizeable transparency. I got my laptop out, angled the screen to suit the camera and displayed a blank document. The colour was a bit suspect and that?s when I used a tinted document to correct the colour before it left the camera. That reminds me of the 1980 Moscow Olympics. PSC was being invented and each national broadcaster had a unique way of doing it. Obviously the BBC have a four man crew ( camera, sound, video engineer, engineering manager ) plus director and presenters, using gear cobbled together and with rather crude modifications. The Germans had some wonderfully engineered kit. A fabulous trolly containing the recorder and heaven knows what, along with a high quality monitor with a visor so that the engineer could shove his head in and exclude all natural light. They did colour correction by doing the white balance on one of a series of tinted cards. If the shot was a little blue, they did the white balance on a slightly creamy coloured card. They carried about twenty carefully calibrated cards to choose from ( and of course they were carried in a very elegant, weatherproof, specially designed aluminium sleeve ). Alan Taylor > On 23 Mar 2020, at 08:16, Graeme Wall wrote: > > ?Another use for an iPad, or other tablet, with a blank document is as a substitute light box for use as a slide/neg sorter. It?s a reasonable approximation to natural light. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 07:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I had a few very large negatives to scan ( quarter plate ? ) and it wouldn?t have been worth spending money on special equipment. >> >> My solution was to use my ordinary scanner with a nice even light source and turn it into a transparency scanner. The scanner lid was left open, the negative placed on the bed and I used my iPad as a lightsource, displaying a blank document. When trying to scan some 35mm transparencies I did consider that for colour work, displaying a tinted document could colour correct while scanning, leaving less to do in post production. >> >> The results weren?t perfect, but we?re still pretty damn good. The biggest drawback being the the surface of the negative is being illuminated so what you?re seeing is a combination of transmitted and reflected light. >> >> I found that one side of the negative sometimes looked batter than the other when scanned. Graphics software easily turns negatives into positives and flips images the right way round. >> >> If you?ve timer on your hands, you probably already have all the gear needed, so why not give it a try? >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>>> On 23 Mar 2020, at 00:00, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> >>> Subject: Old negatives >>> >>> >>> >>> Gentlefolk - someone on another forum I'm on has an interesting question: he has a quantity of old negatives, really old - pre-1942, so possibly 35mm but more likely larger format, probably 120. He doesn't want the trouble and expense of getting them printed, just scanned - phase-reversed, of course. Any comments gratefully accepted. >>> >>> Thanks and best wishes to all - Vern >>> >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 23 04:07:28 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:07:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Streaming / broadcasting ideas please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5060e8ac-c4eb-8725-034c-9eaf62a79dc3@gmail.com> There's always a delay, I don't think you can do anything about that. I use YouTube for my bird box camera. Easy to set up using OBS Studio. For this - http://www.ltfc.org.uk/webcam1.html? I use Unreal Media Server - http://umediaserver.net/umediaserver/index.html B On 22/03/2020 21:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > In order to liven up self isolation in our village, I?m pondering the idea of getting some of the better musicians in our village to come along one or two at a time and play a social distancing concert, which other people in the village could follow on their smart phones and tablets. > > I?ve got all the audio gear and speakers, but what I haven?t worked out is how best to stream it to about 40 people. My first thought was to try setting up a FaceTime group, but that has an upper limit of 32 participants, which is a touch too low. > > What would you guys recommend? > > Ideally it should be free of charge to originate and receive, able to handle decent quality video and audio and not much of a delay because some people may tune in within earshot of the performance. Using software already in iPhones would be a huge bonus, which is why Facetime groups were so appealing. > > Alan Taylor > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 04:09:09 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <698225830.845722.1584954549825@mail.yahoo.com> The obvious suspect is the Stage Manager (or should that be Production Manager?). The Actor/Actress had simply fallen asleep in the loo (possibly succumbing to the sedative in his/her tea) or maybe the Stage Manger has told him/her to stay there until called (for technical reasons). When the Stage Manager opened the door, he stabbed her and then cried, "I've just found a body! He/She was dead already, honest!" There was apparently a real-life historical case of a locked-room murder. A pre-revolutionary Russian Countess (or such like) was jostled by a rebellious crowd as she boarded a ship. She was annoyed, but suffered no ill effects. Later, she went to her cabin, to change for dinner. Naturally, she locked the door. She never emerged. Eventually, they had to break the door down and found her dead, having been stabbed. There was no sign of an intruder, or a knife. The explanation lay in her corset. Ladies of the time wore ludicrously tight corsets. The Countess had been stabbed when she was jostled by the crowd. But the corset held the wound together so tightly that there was no bleeding and no internal damage. Only when she loosened the corset, did the wound open and her bits came apart. (I'm sure I've heard of motorcyclists, walking away from horrible crashes, only to die when they unfastened their helmet - the helmet having held their shattered skull together!) Will Inspector Willoughby be played by Holly? luv, Rog.? On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 14:46:09 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, On 22/03/2020 10:17, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: So - what are you doing to fill the hours? There's always a novel to write. All of you are creatives, Many of you write very well.? Some of you have chunks of anecdotes already written, just slot them in. Some of you have experience of book editing.? Put it all together, and ... A novel should, it is said, include elements of autobiography, sex, religion and mystery. Although "My God, I'm pregnant, who done it?" meets these criteria,a novel or novella is usually longer. I'll give you a plot: the rest is up to you. =============== *Inspector Willoughby's Casebook* The novel is set somewhere in the late nineteen-sixties to mid-nineteen eighties A regular weekly police procedural - with elements of? humour thrown in where appropriate, has two days rehearsal in the studio, and goes out live to an audience of around 15 million every Thursday evening. In this episode, there is, unusually, a four sided set - a small lavatory (WC) in a pub.? In the script, the actor/actress goes into the WC, and dies. Lots of description of rehearsal, preparing for transmission, actors taking places and so on. On transmission, the actor/actress goes into the WC.? At the end of the scene, he(she) does not come out.? At the end of transmission, the stage manager goes to the toilet door, and the actor/actress falls forward - really dead. The crew start talking amongst themselves about what happened.? Both the vision mixer and the vision control guy saw something/someone out of context very briefly as a camera was moving from one set to another.? The real police are called in, everyone is questioned.? The people who most likely could have seen something are the boom operators, up high on their? boom platforms. "Murder" decides the police doctor - describe the pathology. The police are baffled: there are no immediate answers to the six little friends ".What and Why and When and How and "here and Who.." (Rudyard Kipling) with another friend "Who benefits?" (Or, if you prefer "If you try to run, I've got six little friends and they can all run faster than you can. (Seth in "From Dusk 'til Dawn")) A member of the crew is friendly with one of the scriptwriters, and they meet in the pub.? "In your scripts, you solve this sort of problem every week, in 50 minutes. Surely you can find the answer?". Together, the scriptwriters and crew try to solve the mystery. ================ Now, there are plenty of solutions to closed door mysteries (see Jonathan Creek).? How is the mystery solved: was it a fellow actor/actress, a family member, someone who works on the show .. the possibilities are endless. So OVER TO YOU !!! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob: 07789 561 346 home: 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 04:17:46 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:17:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <1630ee1d-dae5-6f0d-5eb6-bd8c668e9d18@gmail.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <5e778d26.1c69fb81.7289c.7088@mx.google.com> <1630ee1d-dae5-6f0d-5eb6-bd8c668e9d18@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2007777139.850296.1584955066941@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Alec, You have reminded me of something - I have already written a novel!I wrote it in 1988, although (to nearly quote Hitchhiker's Guide) "I haven't had it published yet, so I ought to warn you, I'm in a mean mood!" (No, I didn't write it in crayon!) So, the question is - is anyone bored enough to want to read it?O.K. Probably not yet! But there are 24 chapters, so if I send them out, two per week, it'll just about cover the lockdown period. (They are long chapters!) It may not be to everyone's taste. If you want to know what it's about, there's a clue in the title - ????????????"GOTHIC ?BY ?GASLIGHT" and if that doesn't give you a feel for the thing, the opening line is - ????????"It all began during the Great Fog of 1888." No cliche knowingly overlooked!Let me know when you're bored enough. And now I've been reminded of it, does anyone know a friendly publisher? - or does anyone know how to publish stuff electrically? luv, Rog. On Sunday, 22 March 2020, 17:13:23 GMT, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: Hi all, On 22/03/2020 16:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The cistern had been tampered with, Now this assumes that the cistern was "practical" - that is, it actually worked in the studio. Although we sometimes had practical washbasins (did we?), a practical loo would be problematic. But a pressure release on the canister might be doable, so that when the character sat on the loo, the pressure released a quick acting, quick dispersing, locally disruptive gas! -- Best Regards Alec Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com mob:? ? 07789 561 346 home:? 0118 981 7502 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Mon Mar 23 04:30:46 2020 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (ian.norman at armoor.co.uk) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:30:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Streaming / broadcasting ideas please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8b8bacb8-0cdd-e20d-c147-7f916bdeffd3@armoor.plus.com> Dear Alan, I suggest https://jitsi.org It's free, unlimited number of callers and to try and reduce lag each caller connects to direct to each other, rather than through a central server. However, lag is going to be the big problem. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 22/03/2020 21:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > In order to liven up self isolation in our village, I?m pondering the idea of getting some of the better musicians in our village to come along one or two at a time and play a social distancing concert, which other people in the village could follow on their smart phones and tablets. > > I?ve got all the audio gear and speakers, but what I haven?t worked out is how best to stream it to about 40 people. My first thought was to try setting up a FaceTime group, but that has an upper limit of 32 participants, which is a touch too low. > > What would you guys recommend? > > Ideally it should be free of charge to originate and receive, able to handle decent quality video and audio and not much of a delay because some people may tune in within earshot of the performance. Using software already in iPhones would be a huge bonus, which is why Facetime groups were so appealing. > > Alan Taylor > > From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Mon Mar 23 04:40:53 2020 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:40:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Streaming / broadcasting ideas please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Alan, I suggest https://jitsi.org It's free, unlimited number of callers and to try and reduce lag each caller connects to direct to each other, rather than through a central server. However, lag is going to be the big problem. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 22/03/2020 21:28, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > In order to liven up self isolation in our village, I?m pondering the idea of getting some of the better musicians in our village to come along one or two at a time and play a social distancing concert, which other people in the village could follow on their smart phones and tablets. > > I?ve got all the audio gear and speakers, but what I haven?t worked out is how best to stream it to about 40 people. My first thought was to try setting up a FaceTime group, but that has an upper limit of 32 participants, which is a touch too low. > > What would you guys recommend? > > Ideally it should be free of charge to originate and receive, able to handle decent quality video and audio and not much of a delay because some people may tune in within earshot of the performance. Using software already in iPhones would be a huge bonus, which is why Facetime groups were so appealing. > > Alan Taylor > > From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Mon Mar 23 04:51:23 2020 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:51:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Old negatives In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Vernon, I have an Epson 4870 Photo Scanner. It's designed to scan negatives or slides from 35mm up to A4. It can definitely handle glass plates. I rarely use it these days and as I still work, don't have much spare time to scan on behalf of others. If someone on this list could make good use of it, I'm happy to ship it to them for free. Stay safe Ian Norman (on Exmoor) Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 22/03/2020 23:47, vernon.dyer via Tech1 wrote: > > > Gentlefolk - someone on another forum I'm on has an interesting > question:? he has a quantity of old negatives, really old - pre-1942, so > possibly 35mm but more likely larger format, probably 120.? He doesn't > want the trouble and expense of getting them printed, just scanned - > phase-reversed, of course. Any comments gratefully accepted. > > Thanks and best wishes to all -? Vern > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Mar 23 05:48:54 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 10:48:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <698225830.845722.1584954549825@mail.yahoo.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <698225830.845722.1584954549825@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0gQTMQO0Qw4EkFK7r5piTCvodNRkM36H__2mQAJhLUIMfIpWNO3MsAo7ki6x7rEB5BNwLzNROT9A8YHdRfiz_o0PnkwMSCvebW26t91uAYY=@protonmail.com> So far, all the ideas are far better than anything I could come up with, although the latest one is similar to something I once read about someone being killed with a super-sharp icicle, which melted and left no trace of a murder weapon, but it wasn't in a locked room as I recall. So, keep keeping us all in suspenders, TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you want to know what it's about, there's a clue in the title - ????????????"GOTHIC ?BY ?GASLIGHT" and if that doesn't give you a feel for the thing, the opening line is - ????????"It all began during the Great Fog of 1888." No cliche knowingly overlooked!Let me know when you're bored enough. And now I've been reminded of it, does anyone know a friendly publisher? - or does anyone know how to publish stuff electrically? luv, Rog. (I know you've see this before Alec. This is a third attempt at sending it to Tech1.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I wrote it in 1988, although (to nearly quote Hitchhiker's Guide) "I haven't had it published yet, so I ought to warn you, I'm in a mean mood!" (No, I didn't write it in crayon!) So, the question is - is anyone bored enough to want to read it? O.K. Probably not yet! But there are 24 chapters, so if I send them out, two per week, it'll just about cover the lockdown period. (They are long chapters!) It may not be to everyone's taste. If you want to know what it's about, there's a clue in the title - "GOTHIC BY GASLIGHT" and if that doesn't give you a feel for the thing, the opening line is - "It all began during the Great Fog of 1888." No cliche knowingly overlooked! Let me know when you're bored enough. And now I've been reminded of it, does anyone know a friendly publisher? - or does anyone know how to publish stuff electrically? luv, Rog. (I know you've see this before Alec. 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I wrote it in 1988, although (to nearly quote Hitchhiker's Guide) "I haven't had it published yet, so I ought to warn you, I'm in a mean mood!" (No, I didn't write it in crayon!) So, the question is - is anyone bored enough to want to read it? O.K. Probably not yet! But there are 24 chapters, so if I send them out, two per week, it'll just about cover the lockdown period. (They are long chapters!) It may not be to everyone's taste. If you want to know what it's about, there's a clue in the title - "GOTHIC BY GASLIGHT" and if that doesn't give you a feel for the thing, the opening line is - "It all began during the Great Fog of 1888." No cliche knowingly overlooked! Let me know when you're bored enough. And now I've been reminded of it, does anyone know a friendly publisher? - or does anyone know how to publish stuff electrically? luv, Rog. (I know you've see this before Alec. 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With me and my wife being in isolation, my daughter won?t visit us as she?s a teacher and is still having to do cover for the students of essential workers. She was thinking of dropping the dog off so I can take it for a walk but wonders what the risk is of me picking up the virus from the dogs fur if my daughter had unknowingly transferred the virus to it. Have you any thoughts on that? I could wear gloves but that?s no guarantee as I would probably touch my face while wearing them without thinking, Geoff > On 23 Mar 2020, at 13:05, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I'm not sure if daughter Lucy's dog, Chester, is self-isolating, self-insulating or just having a duvet day. > > > > > > > > Actually, he was just knackered after a long walk! > > -- > Best Regards > > Alec > > Alec Bray > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > mob: 07789 561 346 > home: 0118 981 7502 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 16:22:39 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 21:22:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus Message-ID: <748afc44-b3b9-3609-c9ab-1264f4d1a8ef@btinternet.com> Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 17:12:15 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 22:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: <748afc44-b3b9-3609-c9ab-1264f4d1a8ef@btinternet.com> References: <748afc44-b3b9-3609-c9ab-1264f4d1a8ef@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <161262654.1859358.1585001535956@mail.yahoo.com> You forgot to mention the police! Can't mention politics? I must have missed that one! I think non-party, general observations about politicians being idiots are O.K. Those are just statement of fact. And since circumstances have forced Boris to adopt the very socialistic policies he campaigned against, e.g. spending lots of money, and all the countries in the E.U. are currently slamming the borders they claimed not to have against one another, in imitation of Brexit, it seems many of the traditional political divides have suddenly disappeared. I think the only things we shouldn't mention, here, are those things which create divisions amongst ourselves - like the fact that Cameras are better than Sound - which obviously they are! luv, Rog.? On Monday, 23 March 2020, 21:22:44 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Mon Mar 23 17:28:54 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 22:28:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: <161262654.1859358.1585001535956@mail.yahoo.com> References: <748afc44-b3b9-3609-c9ab-1264f4d1a8ef@btinternet.com> <161262654.1859358.1585001535956@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b9ea771-ef20-eade-fa00-53452baaf3c8@btinternet.com> ... and the (less) armed forces! We can't defend ourselves anymore since we have aircraft carriers with no planes, most of the new navy ships out of action for repairs, we are a sitting duck for any take-over! Cheers, Dave On 23/03/2020 22:12, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > You forgot to mention the police! > > Can't mention politics? I must have missed that one! I think > non-party, general observations about politicians being idiots are > O.K. Those are just statement of fact. And since circumstances have > forced Boris to adopt the very socialistic policies he campaigned > against, e.g. spending lots of money, and all the countries in the > E.U. are currently slamming the borders they claimed not to have > against one another, in imitation of Brexit, it seems many of the > traditional political divides have suddenly disappeared. > > I think the only things we shouldn't mention, here, are those things > which create divisions amongst ourselves - like the fact that Cameras > are better than Sound - which obviously they are! > > luv, Rog. > > > On Monday, 23 March 2020, 21:22:44 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 > wrote: > > > Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this > wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the > courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret > the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, > Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Mar 23 18:16:09 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 23:16:09 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: <0b9ea771-ef20-eade-fa00-53452baaf3c8@btinternet.com> References: <748afc44-b3b9-3609-c9ab-1264f4d1a8ef@btinternet.com><161262654.1859358.1585001535956@mail.yahoo.com> <0b9ea771-ef20-eade-fa00-53452baaf3c8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Virus? Can I try a lighter moment? My son messaged me a few days ago to the effect that he had been talking to a friend in Germany and learned that there was panic buying there of both sausages and cheese. This was being described as a Wurst K?se scenario. Ouch! Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:28 PM To: ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Virus ... and the (less) armed forces! We can't defend ourselves anymore since we have aircraft carriers with no planes, most of the new navy ships out of action for repairs, we are a sitting duck for any take-over! Cheers, Dave On 23/03/2020 22:12, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: You forgot to mention the police! Can't mention politics? I must have missed that one! I think non-party, general observations about politicians being idiots are O.K. Those are just statement of fact. And since circumstances have forced Boris to adopt the very socialistic policies he campaigned against, e.g. spending lots of money, and all the countries in the E.U. are currently slamming the borders they claimed not to have against one another, in imitation of Brexit, it seems many of the traditional political divides have suddenly disappeared. I think the only things we shouldn't mention, here, are those things which create divisions amongst ourselves - like the fact that Cameras are better than Sound - which obviously they are! luv, Rog. On Monday, 23 March 2020, 21:22:44 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 23 18:43:59 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 23:43:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: <0b9ea771-ef20-eade-fa00-53452baaf3c8@btinternet.com> References: <748afc44-b3b9-3609-c9ab-1264f4d1a8ef@btinternet.com> <161262654.1859358.1585001535956@mail.yahoo.com> <0b9ea771-ef20-eade-fa00-53452baaf3c8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Steady on Dave ~ don?t shout it too loudly ~ the Russians might hear you and take it as an invitation to invade! Mike G > On 23 Mar 2020, at 22:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ... and the (less) armed forces! We can't defend ourselves anymore since we have aircraft carriers with no planes, most of the new navy ships out of action for repairs, we are a sitting duck for any take-over! Cheers, Dave > > On 23/03/2020 22:12, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> You forgot to mention the police! >> >> Can't mention politics? I must have missed that one! I think non-party, general observations about politicians being idiots are O.K. Those are just statement of fact. And since circumstances have forced Boris to adopt the very socialistic policies he campaigned against, e.g. spending lots of money, and all the countries in the E.U. are currently slamming the borders they claimed not to have against one another, in imitation of Brexit, it seems many of the traditional political divides have suddenly disappeared. >> >> I think the only things we shouldn't mention, here, are those things which create divisions amongst ourselves - like the fact that Cameras are better than Sound - which obviously they are! >> >> luv, Rog. >> >> >> On Monday, 23 March 2020, 21:22:44 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this >> wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the >> courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret >> the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, >> Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 24 02:02:02 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: References: <748afc44-b3b9-3609-c9ab-1264f4d1a8ef@btinternet.com> <161262654.1859358.1585001535956@mail.yahoo.com> <0b9ea771-ef20-eade-fa00-53452baaf3c8@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <823B26DF-F22A-4A27-BE52-08A1F7DC9F94@icloud.com> Why would they want to? ? Graeme Wall > On 23 Mar 2020, at 23:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Steady on Dave ~ don?t shout it too loudly ~ the Russians might hear you and take it as an invitation to invade! > > Mike G > >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 22:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ... and the (less) armed forces! We can't defend ourselves anymore since we have aircraft carriers with no planes, most of the new navy ships out of action for repairs, we are a sitting duck for any take-over! Cheers, Dave >> >> On 23/03/2020 22:12, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>> You forgot to mention the police! >>> >>> Can't mention politics? I must have missed that one! I think non-party, general observations about politicians being idiots are O.K. Those are just statement of fact. And since circumstances have forced Boris to adopt the very socialistic policies he campaigned against, e.g. spending lots of money, and all the countries in the E.U. are currently slamming the borders they claimed not to have against one another, in imitation of Brexit, it seems many of the traditional political divides have suddenly disappeared. >>> >>> I think the only things we shouldn't mention, here, are those things which create divisions amongst ourselves - like the fact that Cameras are better than Sound - which obviously they are! >>> >>> luv, Rog. >>> >>> >>> On Monday, 23 March 2020, 21:22:44 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> >>> Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this >>> wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the >>> courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret >>> the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, >>> Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 24 03:32:12 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:32:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus In-Reply-To: <823B26DF-F22A-4A27-BE52-08A1F7DC9F94@icloud.com> References: <823B26DF-F22A-4A27-BE52-08A1F7DC9F94@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9E12BFC7-B579-4366-B031-F10B52915BD6@mac.com> Just because we?re here! Mike G > On 24 Mar 2020, at 07:02, Graeme Wall wrote: > > ?Why would they want to? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 23:43, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Steady on Dave ~ don?t shout it too loudly ~ the Russians might hear you and take it as an invitation to invade! >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 23 Mar 2020, at 22:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ... and the (less) armed forces! We can't defend ourselves anymore since we have aircraft carriers with no planes, most of the new navy ships out of action for repairs, we are a sitting duck for any take-over! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> On 23/03/2020 22:12, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >>>> You forgot to mention the police! >>>> >>>> Can't mention politics? I must have missed that one! I think non-party, general observations about politicians being idiots are O.K. Those are just statement of fact. And since circumstances have forced Boris to adopt the very socialistic policies he campaigned against, e.g. spending lots of money, and all the countries in the E.U. are currently slamming the borders they claimed not to have against one another, in imitation of Brexit, it seems many of the traditional political divides have suddenly disappeared. >>>> >>>> I think the only things we shouldn't mention, here, are those things which create divisions amongst ourselves - like the fact that Cameras are better than Sound - which obviously they are! >>>> >>>> luv, Rog. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, 23 March 2020, 21:22:44 GMT, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this >>>> wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the >>>> courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret >>>> the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, >>>> Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 05:09:47 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:09:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 Message-ID: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much like the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit of that, no matter how many things you set up. Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work to be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I was working round painting the windows back in the autumn.? And I am reminded that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the Mizens Railway about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning its foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could invite Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When it's working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something to be desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom seems to be the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan tried to set up a family meeting, and said she'd rather get together and have the lurgie, but that probably isn't sensible. I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a friend who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to "go to" a meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, not really because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not only minimal but faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding him that the top of his head was not what people would expect to see. I made my own error, too. I've never touched that check box that says "Listen to this device" but I could only just hear him, so I ticked it.? What it really means is "Send the output of this microphone to the speakers next to it".? I think I have his system working now, but he says he'll be back today for more. I'd arrange to be out, but sadly that's not going to happen. So, anyone for tea at some point? ? Someone has to host and pick a time. Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have Zoom running. It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the screen, followed by sound and vision.? Earl Grey anyone? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 24 05:30:03 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:30:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5e79e12b.1c69fb81.bdd89.3a36@mx.google.com> Boris?s decree that meetings involving more than 2 people are banned. Therefore the Houses of Commons and Lords cannot sit! (Or is it ?One law for us....etc) Only BJ and the Speaker, then ? smacks of a Dictatorship! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 24 March 2020 10:10 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much like the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit of that, no matter how many things you set up. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Tue Mar 24 05:56:09 2020 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Monopoly Message-ID: <43BD28A7-C85E-435A-8FCB-C52766706DF1@vincent68.plus.com> I have a vague recollection of someone in Pres inventing TV Monopoly to while away some of the long breaks. You went round the board buying up studios and then buying equipment so you could charge more. John V Sent from my iPad From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 06:00:17 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] The Horror! The Horror! References: <1314222703.2278212.1585047617559.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1314222703.2278212.1585047617559@mail.yahoo.com> O.K. You?ve twisted my arm. In response to overwhelming enthusiasm, from slightly fewer than four of you, here, attached, is the introductory page, and the opening chapter of my epic Penny-Dreadful ?Gothic by Gaslight? - the ultimate Gothic Horror Novel (the justification for this claim will become apparent). It should appeal to anyone who used to like old Hammer Films, old Roger Corman films or ?Carry On Screaming?. Let?s see who can be the first to realise whodunnit, and what it is that he dunn, or can solve any of the other puzzles which will be set during the course of the story. Next chapter on Friday (I have to spin it out for the duration of the self-quarantine. Anyway, I know you?re slow readers!) luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In response to overwhelming enthusiasm, from slightly fewer than four of you, here, attached, is the introductory page, and the opening chapter of my epic Penny-Dreadful ?Gothic by Gaslight? - the ultimate Gothic Horror Novel (the justification for this claim will become apparent). It should appeal to anyone who used to like old Hammer Films, old Roger Corman films or ?Carry On Screaming?. Let?s see who can be the first to realise whodunnit, and what it is that he dunn, or can solve any of the other puzzles which will be set during the course of the story. Next chapter on Friday (I have to spin it out for the duration of the self-quarantine. Anyway, I know you?re slow readers!) > > luv, Rog. > <00Gothic.pdf><01Gothic.pdf>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peterjohncombes at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 06:22:54 2020 From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 12:22:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] missing country In-Reply-To: <47AFE1A31E9045559A2EAA6A50ADB4BF@0023242e4e14> References: <1155087350.794802.1584549972179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1155087350.794802.1584549972179@mail.yahoo.com> <47AFE1A31E9045559A2EAA6A50ADB4BF@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: Microsoft News reported: Russian officials announced on Monday that they had identified 71 new cases of the disease, bringing the country?s total to 438 people. Two hundred and 62 of the known cases are in Moscow. Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 at 18:12, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_coronavirus_pandemic_in_Russia > > > *From:* PETER HALES via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 4:46 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] missing country > > We are told which countries are affected by this virus, Russia has never, > to my knowledge, been mentioned. I wonder why? > > I leave it to you to consider!!!!!! > > Cheers all, keep smiling. > > Pete H > > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-2987187287982876961_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Tue Mar 24 06:26:23 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:26:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Horror! The Horror! In-Reply-To: <9999B4D1-4CA6-4F3D-9AC7-E68D49149D6F@icloud.com> References: <1314222703.2278212.1585047617559.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1314222703.2278212.1585047617559@mail.yahoo.com> <9999B4D1-4CA6-4F3D-9AC7-E68D49149D6F@icloud.com> Message-ID: I've only read the opening letter so far: John Watson, doctor by profession as well as companion & chronicler of famous London detective? John On 24/03/2020 11:14, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Isn?t Jonathon Harker one of the charcters in Dracula? > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 24 Mar 2020, at 11:00, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: >> >> O.K. You?ve twisted my arm. In response to overwhelming enthusiasm, from slightly fewer than four of you, here, attached, is the introductory page, and the opening chapter of my epic Penny-Dreadful ?Gothic by Gaslight? - the ultimate Gothic Horror Novel (the justification for this claim will become apparent). It should appeal to anyone who used to like old Hammer Films, old Roger Corman films or ?Carry On Screaming?. Let?s see who can be the first to realise whodunnit, and what it is that he dunn, or can solve any of the other puzzles which will be set during the course of the story. Next chapter on Friday (I have to spin it out for the duration of the self-quarantine. Anyway, I know you?re slow readers!) >> >> luv, Rog. >> <00Gothic.pdf><01Gothic.pdf>-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 06:32:40 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (S. EDWARDS) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:32:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus References: <0E4ECA8A-2615-456F-8BBF-8F70F0B47C44.ref@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0E4ECA8A-2615-456F-8BBF-8F70F0B47C44@btinternet.com> ? ???*This is not party Political* Well there are certainly cuts in some areas of the NHS but obviously not so in others: GPs on big ?100k salaries but still a desperate shortage of doctors, many others in NHS management roles on top whack for jobs that are probably not even necessary roles. Highly paid surgeons (not saying they don?t deserve it of course) especially when compared to a footballer earning over ten times more for just kicking a ball. NHS spending under the Conservatives has built us a brand new medical centre nearby, it?s massive - nearly the size of a small hospital - it must have cost a fortune to build. The scale of it is totally out of proportion to the size of our village with only just over 1300 residents, yet no apparent problem with the NHS being able to somehow fund his very large complex. Surprisingly there are only three GPSs operating at this new centre - currently all women doctors. You have to telephone around 3-4 weeks in advance to get an appointment and this huge complex is closed evenings and every weekend! The service level we now receive from our GP?s in the new medical centre is worse than we have ever witnessed from the previous old surgery that was based in an old house - which operated very efficiently and could in most cases get a same day appointment. ......so I wondered how this type of situation could possibly arise? First off, how did they get planning permission to build this complex on a nice green field bordering a Conservation area? The council planners objected to it but unbelievably it was given the green light at Planning Committee level - how could that be? Who decides on how and where to spend money out of the NHS budget when there are people waiting for hip replacements and being denied various expensive cancer treatment drugs and such like when we?re told the cash isn?t supplied by a bottomless pit. Following some quick research, I discovered the developers of this new building is a company called Castlemead: They build care homes, health centres, doctors surgeries and other prestigious developments. At the time I looked into the directors of the company and one name stood out......Philip Hammond! Surely this couldn?t be our (now resigned) Chancellor of the Exchequer on the receiving end of all this NHS spending - or could it??? Did he decide how much the NHS could spend for him in turn to profit from? Isn?t that like putting Dracula in charge of a blood bank? I understand he?s since resigned as partner/director of what was his own company he set up in (I think) 1984. I hope I recall the facts correctly here but I last read he was paid ?1.8 million in dividends from a discretionary settlement trust set up to distance himself (as Chancellor) from his business interests in the company, rather than taking a typical salary. I also heard he paid less than ?6k tax on profits of ?1.6 million while at the same time he announced he was clamping down on others like Google & Amazon with their tax migration schemes. So it?s not quite as simple as ?NHS spending has been cut? - some clearly has, but how much of the spending is wasted to lining the pockets of others would probably be a shocking revelation! So has the NHS really suffered cuts we may think it has? If anyone else has one of these new health centres built near them they can clearly see the NHS has spent/is still spending a serious amount of dosh. As Laura Keunssberg & Hugh Pym hound politicians about Brexit or Coronavirus, the question of how the NHS directs it?s spending and who ?benefits? from it goes under the radar! >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 21:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > ?Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From s.k.edwards at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 06:32:40 2020 From: s.k.edwards at btinternet.com (S. EDWARDS) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 11:32:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virus References: <0E4ECA8A-2615-456F-8BBF-8F70F0B47C44.ref@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0E4ECA8A-2615-456F-8BBF-8F70F0B47C44@btinternet.com> ? ???*This is not party Political* Well there are certainly cuts in some areas of the NHS but obviously not so in others: GPs on big ?100k salaries but still a desperate shortage of doctors, many others in NHS management roles on top whack for jobs that are probably not even necessary roles. Highly paid surgeons (not saying they don?t deserve it of course) especially when compared to a footballer earning over ten times more for just kicking a ball. NHS spending under the Conservatives has built us a brand new medical centre nearby, it?s massive - nearly the size of a small hospital - it must have cost a fortune to build. The scale of it is totally out of proportion to the size of our village with only just over 1300 residents, yet no apparent problem with the NHS being able to somehow fund his very large complex. Surprisingly there are only three GPSs operating at this new centre - currently all women doctors. You have to telephone around 3-4 weeks in advance to get an appointment and this huge complex is closed evenings and every weekend! The service level we now receive from our GP?s in the new medical centre is worse than we have ever witnessed from the previous old surgery that was based in an old house - which operated very efficiently and could in most cases get a same day appointment. ......so I wondered how this type of situation could possibly arise? First off, how did they get planning permission to build this complex on a nice green field bordering a Conservation area? The council planners objected to it but unbelievably it was given the green light at Planning Committee level - how could that be? Who decides on how and where to spend money out of the NHS budget when there are people waiting for hip replacements and being denied various expensive cancer treatment drugs and such like when we?re told the cash isn?t supplied by a bottomless pit. Following some quick research, I discovered the developers of this new building is a company called Castlemead: They build care homes, health centres, doctors surgeries and other prestigious developments. At the time I looked into the directors of the company and one name stood out......Philip Hammond! Surely this couldn?t be our (now resigned) Chancellor of the Exchequer on the receiving end of all this NHS spending - or could it??? Did he decide how much the NHS could spend for him in turn to profit from? Isn?t that like putting Dracula in charge of a blood bank? I understand he?s since resigned as partner/director of what was his own company he set up in (I think) 1984. I hope I recall the facts correctly here but I last read he was paid ?1.8 million in dividends from a discretionary settlement trust set up to distance himself (as Chancellor) from his business interests in the company, rather than taking a typical salary. I also heard he paid less than ?6k tax on profits of ?1.6 million while at the same time he announced he was clamping down on others like Google & Amazon with their tax migration schemes. So it?s not quite as simple as ?NHS spending has been cut? - some clearly has, but how much of the spending is wasted to lining the pockets of others would probably be a shocking revelation! So has the NHS really suffered cuts we may think it has? If anyone else has one of these new health centres built near them they can clearly see the NHS has spent/is still spending a serious amount of dosh. As Laura Keunssberg & Hugh Pym hound politicians about Brexit or Coronavirus, the question of how the NHS directs it?s spending and who ?benefits? from it goes under the radar! >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 21:22, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > ?Boris has spoke! It's a shame we can't mention politics in this wonderful forum otherwise I would urge Laura Kuenssberg to have the courage to ask any Tory politician she interviews whether they regret the 10 years of cuts to the NHS and social services! Nuff said! Cheers, Dave PS. Sorry Bernie, I assume that I am now in trouble! > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hope you?re all surviving and stay well throughout, Geoff > On 22 Mar 2020, at 11:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I?m waiting to be bothered by this TV Licence scam, as I have a paper document telling me what to do > in the event of my free licence expiring, if it?s not rescinded by June. > I was getting two or three attempt scam calls a day ? I let my answer machine collect them, usually rung > off immediately, but caller display shows the number. I call back, but BT tell me: ?Not recognised? so the blighters > are borrowing numbers to pretend to send from. > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 > Sent: 22 March 2020 10:36 > To: Bernard Newnham > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 > > Hi All, > > Also avoiding this obvious scam! You?d think he would learn to spell ?licence?. Apart from that the due date and Licence no. is wrong! > > Barry. > > > > > > > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 14:06:59 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:06:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Bernie, I love your eternal optimism - your dogged refusal to recognise what a completely hopeless, useless bunch of dopes the rest of us are! Remember those times when we've all sat around moaning, saying, 'Isn't it time we had another Disorganised Lunch?' or 'Can we have a Disorganised Lunch in the Shetlands, this time?' And you have patiently explained to everyone that they can easily disorganise their own Disorganised Lunch; they don't have to wait for you to do everything. And the inevitable result is that we've all sat around and waited for you to do everything! Well, I suspect exactly the same thing will be true of Zoom conferences, we'll all sit around waiting for an invitation from you. At least, this time, thanks to you, I'll have half a chance of joining in. But I'm not sure I could actually start one. Now, we're all very grateful that you do everything, and we really enjoy it when you do, and we ought to thank you a lot more than we probably do. But I suspect that the rest of us will continue to be a hopeless, useless bunch of dopes! And the chances of anyone else actually initiating anything remain low. In the meantime, maybe I can propose Three Cheers for Bernie! Thanks for all the Lunches, the Mailing List, and all the other things you've been doing for us over the years. luv, Rog.? On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 10:10:20 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much like the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit of that, no matter how many things you set up. Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work to be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I was working round painting the windows back in the autumn.? And I am reminded that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the Mizens Railway about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning its foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could invite Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When it's working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something to be desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom seems to be the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan tried to set up a family meeting, and said she'd rather get together and have the lurgie, but that probably isn't sensible. I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a friend who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to "go to" a meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, not really because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not only minimal but faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding him that the top of his head was not what people would expect to see. I made my own error, too. I've never touched that check box that says "Listen to this device" but I could only just hear him, so I ticked it.? What it really means is "Send the output of this microphone to the speakers next to it".? I think I have his system working now, but he says he'll be back today for more. I'd arrange to be out, but sadly that's not going to happen. So, anyone for tea at some point? ? Someone has to host and pick a time. Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have Zoom running. It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the screen, followed by sound and vision.? Earl Grey anyone? B? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 14:10:00 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:10:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To Bernie, Hip hop hooray!! Best regards Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 19:07 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, wrote: > Hi Bernie, > > I love your eternal optimism - your dogged refusal to recognise what a > completely hopeless, useless bunch of dopes the rest of us are! > > Remember those times when we've all sat around moaning, saying, 'Isn't it > time we had another Disorganised Lunch?' or 'Can we have a Disorganised > Lunch in the Shetlands, this time?' And you have patiently explained to > everyone that they can easily disorganise their own Disorganised Lunch; > they don't have to wait for you to do everything. And the inevitable result > is that we've all sat around and waited for you to do everything! Well, I > suspect exactly the same thing will be true of Zoom conferences, we'll all > sit around waiting for an invitation from you. At least, this time, thanks > to you, I'll have half a chance of joining in. But I'm not sure I could > actually start one. > > Now, we're all very grateful that you do everything, and we really enjoy > it when you do, and we ought to thank you a lot more than we probably do. > But I suspect that the rest of us will continue to be a hopeless, useless > bunch of dopes! And the chances of anyone else actually initiating anything > remain low. > > In the meantime, maybe I can propose Three Cheers for Bernie! Thanks for > all the Lunches, the Mailing List, and all the other things you've been > doing for us over the years. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 10:10:20 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > > > > Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much like > the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit of that, no > matter how many things you set up. > > Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work to > be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I was > working round painting the windows back in the autumn. And I am reminded > that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the Mizens Railway > about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. > > I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say > "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning its > foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could invite > Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When it's > working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something to be > desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom seems to be > the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan tried to set up a > family meeting, and said she'd rather get together and have the lurgie, but > that probably isn't sensible. > > I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a friend > who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to "go to" a > meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, not really > because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not only minimal but > faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding him that the top of > his head was not what people would expect to see. I made my own error, too. > I've never touched that check box that says "Listen to this device" but I > could only just hear him, so I ticked it. What it really means is "Send > the output of this microphone to the speakers next to it". I think I have > his system working now, but he says he'll be back today for more. I'd > arrange to be out, but sadly that's not going to happen. > > So, anyone for tea at some point? Someone has to host and pick a time. > Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have Zoom running. > It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the screen, followed by > sound and vision. Earl Grey anyone? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Tue Mar 24 14:24:50 2020 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:24:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <360a45b1-95b9-a51e-cb74-f1c322ff8d8a@armoor.co.uk> To Bernie, Hip hip hooray!! Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 24/03/2020 19:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Bernie, > > I love your eternal optimism - your dogged refusal to recognise what a > completely hopeless, useless bunch of dopes the rest of us are! > > Remember those times when we've all sat around moaning, saying, 'Isn't > it time we had another Disorganised Lunch?' or 'Can we have a > Disorganised Lunch in the Shetlands, this time?' And you have patiently > explained to everyone that they can easily disorganise their own > Disorganised Lunch; they don't have to wait for you to do everything. > And the inevitable result is that we've all sat around and waited for > you to do everything! Well, I suspect exactly the same thing will be > true of Zoom conferences, we'll all sit around waiting for an invitation > from you. At least, this time, thanks to you, I'll have half a chance of > joining in. But I'm not sure I could actually start one. > > Now, we're all very grateful that you do everything, and we really enjoy > it when you do, and we ought to thank you a lot more than we probably > do. But I suspect that the rest of us will continue to be a hopeless, > useless bunch of dopes! And the chances of anyone else actually > initiating anything remain low. > > In the meantime, maybe I can propose Three Cheers for Bernie! Thanks for > all the Lunches, the Mailing List, and all the other things you've been > doing for us over the years. > > luv, Rog. > > On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 10:10:20 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much like > the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit of that, > no matter how many things you set up. > > Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work > to be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I > was working round painting the windows back in the autumn.? And I am > reminded that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the > Mizens Railway about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. > > I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say > "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning its > foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could invite > Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When it's > working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something to be > desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom seems to > be the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan tried to set up > a family meeting, and said she'd rather get together and have the > lurgie, but that probably isn't sensible. > > I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a > friend who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to > "go to" a meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, > not really because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not only > minimal but faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding him > that the top of his head was not what people would expect to see. I made > my own error, too. I've never touched that check box that says "Listen > to this device" but I could only just hear him, so I ticked it.? What it > really means is "Send the output of this microphone to the speakers next > to it".? I think I have his system working now, but he says he'll be > back today for more. I'd arrange to be out, but sadly that's not going > to happen. > > So, anyone for tea at some point? ? Someone has to host and pick a time. > Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have Zoom > running. It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the screen, > followed by sound and vision.? Earl Grey anyone? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 24 14:29:20 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:29:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0B607054-0825-4948-9E8E-F22146829C41@icloud.com> Amen! ? Graeme Wall > On 24 Mar 2020, at 19:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Bernie, > > I love your eternal optimism - your dogged refusal to recognise what a completely hopeless, useless bunch of dopes the rest of us are! > > Remember those times when we've all sat around moaning, saying, 'Isn't it time we had another Disorganised Lunch?' or 'Can we have a Disorganised Lunch in the Shetlands, this time?' And you have patiently explained to everyone that they can easily disorganise their own Disorganised Lunch; they don't have to wait for you to do everything. And the inevitable result is that we've all sat around and waited for you to do everything! Well, I suspect exactly the same thing will be true of Zoom conferences, we'll all sit around waiting for an invitation from you. At least, this time, thanks to you, I'll have half a chance of joining in. But I'm not sure I could actually start one. > > Now, we're all very grateful that you do everything, and we really enjoy it when you do, and we ought to thank you a lot more than we probably do. But I suspect that the rest of us will continue to be a hopeless, useless bunch of dopes! And the chances of anyone else actually initiating anything remain low. > > In the meantime, maybe I can propose Three Cheers for Bernie! Thanks for all the Lunches, the Mailing List, and all the other things you've been doing for us over the years. > > luv, Rog. > > > On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 10:10:20 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much like the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit of that, no matter how many things you set up. > > Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work to be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I was working round painting the windows back in the autumn. And I am reminded that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the Mizens Railway about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. > > I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning its foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could invite Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When it's working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something to be desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom seems to be the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan tried to set up a family meeting, and said she'd rather get together and have the lurgie, but that probably isn't sensible. > > I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a friend who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to "go to" a meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, not really because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not only minimal but faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding him that the top of his head was not what people would expect to see. I made my own error, too. I've never touched that check box that says "Listen to this device" but I could only just hear him, so I ticked it. What it really means is "Send the output of this microphone to the speakers next to it". I think I have his system working now, but he says he'll be back today for more. I'd arrange to be out, but sadly that's not going to happen. > > So, anyone for tea at some point? Someone has to host and pick a time. Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have Zoom running. It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the screen, followed by sound and vision. Earl Grey anyone? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidpcarter at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 16:24:56 2020 From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter at btinternet.com) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:24:56 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2a26aea.2074.1710e6f23c6.Webtop.211@btinternet.com> Cheers, cheers, cheers! D ------ Original Message ------ From: "ROGER BUNCE via Tech1" To: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" Sent: Tuesday, 24 Mar, 2020 At 19:06 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 7 Hi Bernie, I love your eternal optimism - your dogged refusal to recognise what a completely hopeless, useless bunch of dopes the rest of us are! Remember those times when we've all sat around moaning, saying, 'Isn't it time we had another Disorganised Lunch?' or 'Can we have a Disorganised Lunch in the Shetlands, this time?' And you have patiently explained to everyone that they can easily disorganise their own Disorganised Lunch; they don't have to wait for you to do everything. And the inevitable result is that we've all sat around and waited for you to do everything! Well, I suspect exactly the same thing will be true of Zoom conferences, we'll all sit around waiting for an invitation from you. At least, this time, thanks to you, I'll have half a chance of joining in. But I'm not sure I could actually start one. Now, we're all very grateful that you do everything, and we really enjoy it when you do, and we ought to thank you a lot more than we probably do. But I suspect that the rest of us will continue to be a hopeless, useless bunch of dopes! And the chances of anyone else actually initiating anything remain low. In the meantime, maybe I can propose Three Cheers for Bernie! Thanks for all the Lunches, the Mailing List, and all the other things you've been doing for us over the years. luv, Rog. On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 10:10:20 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much like the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit of that, no matter how many things you set up. Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work to be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I was working round painting the windows back in the autumn. And I am reminded that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the Mizens Railway about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning its foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could invite Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When it's working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something to be desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom seems to be the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan tried to set up a family meeting, and said she'd rather get together and have the lurgie, but that probably isn't sensible. I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a friend who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to "go to" a meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, not really because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not only minimal but faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding him that the top of his head was not what people would expect to see. I made my own error, too. I've never touched that check box that says "Listen to this device" but I could only just hear him, so I ticked it. What it really means is "Send the output of this microphone to the speakers next to it". I think I have his system working now, but he says he'll be back today for more. I'd arrange to be out, but sadly that's not going to happen. So, anyone for tea at some point? Someone has to host and pick a time. Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have Zoom running. It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the screen, followed by sound and vision. Earl Grey anyone? B -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 24 16:34:52 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 21:34:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That's very kind. Thank you Roger! I suspect it's a psychology thing. After tech-ops I ran teams for lots of years, so I don't know when to stop. I'm still doing it, at the U3A. ........and actually I wouldn't do it if I didn't have fun doing it. As it says in those ads "When the fun stops, stop". ......though I would like to be invited to a disorganised afternoon Zoom tea party that someone else has fixed up. cheers B On 24/03/2020 19:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Bernie, > > I love your eternal optimism - your dogged refusal to recognise what a > completely hopeless, useless bunch of dopes the rest of us are! > > Remember those times when we've all sat around moaning, saying, 'Isn't > it time we had another Disorganised Lunch?' or 'Can we have a > Disorganised Lunch in the Shetlands, this time?' And you have > patiently explained to everyone that they can easily disorganise their > own Disorganised Lunch; they don't have to wait for you to do > everything. And the inevitable result is that we've all sat around and > waited for you to do everything! Well, I suspect exactly the same > thing will be true of Zoom conferences, we'll all sit around waiting > for an invitation from you. At least, this time, thanks to you, I'll > have half a chance of joining in. But I'm not sure I could actually > start one. > > Now, we're all very grateful that you do everything, and we really > enjoy it when you do, and we ought to thank you a lot more than we > probably do. But I suspect that the rest of us will continue to be a > hopeless, useless bunch of dopes! And the chances of anyone else > actually initiating anything remain low. > > In the meantime, maybe I can propose Three Cheers for Bernie! Thanks > for all the Lunches, the Mailing List, and all the other things you've > been doing for us over the years. > > luv, Rog. > > On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 10:10:20 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much > like the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit > of that, no matter how many things you set up. > > Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work > to be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I > was working round painting the windows back in the autumn.? And I am > reminded that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the > Mizens Railway about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. > > I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say > "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning > its foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could > invite Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When > it's working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something > to be desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom > seems to be the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan > tried to set up a family meeting, and said she'd rather get together > and have the lurgie, but that probably isn't sensible. > > I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a > friend who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to > "go to" a meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, > not really because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not > only minimal but faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding > him that the top of his head was not what people would expect to see. > I made my own error, too. I've never touched that check box that says > "Listen to this device" but I could only just hear him, so I ticked > it.? What it really means is "Send the output of this microphone to > the speakers next to it".? I think I have his system working now, but > he says he'll be back today for more. I'd arrange to be out, but sadly > that's not going to happen. > > So, anyone for tea at some point? ? Someone has to host and pick a > time. Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have > Zoom running. It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the > screen, followed by sound and vision.? Earl Grey anyone? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 17:16:38 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 22:16:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 7 In-Reply-To: <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> References: <931e92a0-30b1-0949-e122-deabee8bd95f@gmail.com> <1164129168.2940782.1585076819264@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hear, hear - 'For he's a jolly good fellow etc.'. Cheers, Dave On 24/03/2020 19:06, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Bernie, > > I love your eternal optimism - your dogged refusal to recognise what a > completely hopeless, useless bunch of dopes the rest of us are! > > Remember those times when we've all sat around moaning, saying, 'Isn't > it time we had another Disorganised Lunch?' or 'Can we have a > Disorganised Lunch in the Shetlands, this time?' And you have > patiently explained to everyone that they can easily disorganise their > own Disorganised Lunch; they don't have to wait for you to do > everything. And the inevitable result is that we've all sat around and > waited for you to do everything! Well, I suspect exactly the same > thing will be true of Zoom conferences, we'll all sit around waiting > for an invitation from you. At least, this time, thanks to you, I'll > have half a chance of joining in. But I'm not sure I could actually > start one. > > Now, we're all very grateful that you do everything, and we really > enjoy it when you do, and we ought to thank you a lot more than we > probably do. But I suspect that the rest of us will continue to be a > hopeless, useless bunch of dopes! And the chances of anyone else > actually initiating anything remain low. > > In the meantime, maybe I can propose Three Cheers for Bernie! Thanks > for all the Lunches, the Mailing List, and all the other things you've > been doing for us over the years. > > luv, Rog. > > On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 10:10:20 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Doesn't time fly when you're having fun? Or when every day is much > like the last one? Mind you, retirement does tend to have a good bit > of that, no matter how many things you set up. > > Still, the sun is shining, and spring seems to have sprung a bit. Work > to be done in the garden and in the garage. My wife reminds me that I > was working round painting the windows back in the autumn.? And I am > reminded that my U3A video group was going to have fun filming at the > Mizens Railway about now. They, like everything else, closed last week. > > I've been "helping" various people to get Zoom Meetings working. I say > "helping" because I first tried it last week, and have been learning > its foibles ever since. I'm far enough down the road now that I could > invite Roger to tea yesterday afternoon, with reasonable success. When > it's working it's impressive, but the user interface leaves something > to be desired. We've been trying other systems, notably 8x8, but Zoom > seems to be the least worst. I read in the paper that Jemima Khan > tried to set up a family meeting, and said she'd rather get together > and have the lurgie, but that probably isn't sensible. > > I was interrupted in my chatting with Roger by a phone call from a > friend who was also having Zoom problems, and was expecting to have to > "go to" a meeting quite soon. I spent an hour on Teamviewer with him, > not really because of Zoom, but because his computer skills are not > only minimal but faintly destructive. And I did have to keep reminding > him that the top of his head was not what people would expect to see. > I made my own error, too. I've never touched that check box that says > "Listen to this device" but I could only just hear him, so I ticked > it.? What it really means is "Send the output of this microphone to > the speakers next to it".? I think I have his system working now, but > he says he'll be back today for more. I'd arrange to be out, but sadly > that's not going to happen. > > So, anyone for tea at some point? ? Someone has to host and pick a > time. Then they send the link email to the invitees once they have > Zoom running. It's quite impressive when names start to appear on the > screen, followed by sound and vision.? Earl Grey anyone? > > B > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 17:36:54 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 22:36:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Greed Message-ID: So........keeping up? with modern speak(!) the billionaire Mike Ashley having decided to keep his Sports Direct shops open so that the UK public can buy sports goods to keep fit at home during the current health crisis has done a U-turn and they will now be closed. On the other hand his staff have been ordered to keep going to work and he has increased the prices of home gym. equipment by up to 50%! How does he sleep at night? Very easily I imagine, with no conscience at all. Yours, disgusted, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 24 18:15:50 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:15:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <698225830.845722.1584954549825@mail.yahoo.com> <0gQTMQO0Qw4EkFK7r5piTCvodNRkM36H__2mQAJhLUIMfIpWNO3MsAo7ki6x7rEB5BNwLzNROT9A8YHdRfiz_o0PnkwMSCvebW26t91uAYY=@protonmail.com> Message-ID: <68B01012-8DE8-4FB6-A55D-C53D25C87CCC@mac.com> And then there was the TV play where a wife killed her husband by hitting him on the head with a frozen leg of lamb, which she then cooked and shared with the investigating officers! Can?t remember any of the details, whether Beeb or ITV and I have no idea of the cast. Mike G > On 23 Mar 2020, at 11:00, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > There was a variation of that one in a hoary old b/w 50s film I watched on Talking Pictures TV. > > A victim died in a locked room of a block of flats with only a small puddle of water on the floor. He had been shot from the other end of the flats (it was a U shaped building) and the bullet was made of ice. That melted. > > There was a Sherlock Holmes story where a soldier in full guards uniform died after a parade. He had been stabbed through a tight leather belt that opened only after he disrobed. > > > > > From: techtone via Tech1 > Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:48 AM > Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 > > So far, all the ideas are far better than anything I could come up with, although the latest one is similar to something I once read about someone being killed with a super-sharp icicle, which melted and left no trace of a murder weapon, but it wasn't in a locked room as I recall. 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Bill J On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 23:16 Mike Giles via Tech1, wrote: > And then there was the TV play where a wife killed her husband by hitting > him on the head with a frozen leg of lamb, which she then cooked and shared > with the investigating officers! > > Can?t remember any of the details, whether Beeb or ITV and I have no idea > of the cast. > > Mike G > > > On 23 Mar 2020, at 11:00, David Brunt via Tech1 > wrote: > > There was a variation of that one in a hoary old b/w 50s film I watched on > Talking Pictures TV. > > A victim died in a locked room of a block of flats with only a small > puddle of water on the floor. He had been shot from the other end of the > flats (it was a U shaped building) and the bullet was made of ice. That > melted. > > There was a Sherlock Holmes story where a soldier in full guards uniform > died after a parade. He had been stabbed through a tight leather belt that > opened only after he disrobed. > > > > > *From:* techtone via Tech1 > *Sent:* Monday, March 23, 2020 10:48 AM > *Cc:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Day 5 > > So far, all the ideas are far better than anything I could come up with, > although the latest one is similar to something I once read about someone > being killed with a super-sharp icicle, which melted and left no trace of a > murder weapon, but it wasn't in a locked room as I recall. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 24 19:33:44 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:33:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] TV Licence Scam In-Reply-To: References: <5e77453a.1c69fb81.f50a7.3437@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I also got the same message this morning. My wife had one a short while ago as she is 10 months older than me and was the first to get the free licence. Free means free and therefore bank details aren't required! I get one scam call a day about my TV maintenance charge because I am paying the highest rate for it and these nice people can reduce it and have engineers to come round within 24 hours to fix it! They ask me what is the make of the TV and I say that they have the information on the contract and I keep it going for quite a while until they hang up thus saving some other OAP from getting scammed in that time! You can have long conversations about the weather in Delhi or Mumbai and how I saw them on the Panorama program recently about this English guy who reverse engineered the scam calls and hacked into their call-centre CCTV and you see them at work! He has loads of videos on YouTube which are really interesting, his name is Jim Browning and he actually managed to shut down one of the many call-centres around Delhi! Cheers, Dave O n 24/03/2020 17:45, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > I got that tv licence scam email message this morning and thought it > didn?t sound right as it said my licence needed renewing as of today, > which conflicted with what the licensing people had said recently. I > checked on the sender by tapping the genuine looking address and it > revealed another name that gave it away, so I quickly deleted it. > If I get any scam phone calls I will be saying something to shame them > doing it in the present crisis, though I won?t say that I hope they > get it as no-one deserves that. > Hope you?re all surviving and stay well throughout, > Geoff > >> On 22 Mar 2020, at 11:00, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> I?m waiting to be bothered by this TV Licence scam, as I have a paper >> document telling me what to do >> in the event of my free licence expiring, if it?s not rescinded by June. >> >> I was getting two or three attempt scam calls a day ? I let my answer >> machine collect them, usually rung >> >> off immediately, but caller display shows the number. I call back, >> but BT tell me: ?Not recognised? so the blighters >> >> are borrowing numbers to pretend to send from. >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Barry Bonner via Tech1 >> *Sent: *22 March 2020 10:36 >> *To: *Bernard Newnham >> *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Day 5 >> >> Hi All, >> >> Also avoiding this obvious scam! You?d think he would learn to spell >> ?licence?. Apart from that the due date and Licence no. is wrong! >> >> ///Barry./ >> >> / >> >> / >> >> >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 23:45:21 GMT, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: "Lamb to the Slaughter"It was originally a short story written by Roald Dahl which was included in one of the "Tales of the Unexpected" series.Bill J On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 23:16 Mike Giles via Tech1, wrote: And then there was the TV play where a wife killed her husband by hitting him on the head with a frozen leg of lamb, which she then cooked and shared with the investigating officers! Can?t remember any of the details, whether Beeb or ITV and I have no idea of the cast. Mike G On 23 Mar 2020, at 11:00, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: There was avariation of that one in a hoary old b/w 50s film I watched on Talking PicturesTV. A victim died in a locked room of a block of flats with only a smallpuddle of water on the floor.? He had been shot from the other end of theflats (it was a U shaped building) and the bullet was made of ice. Thatmelted. There was a Sherlock Holmes story where asoldier in full guards uniform died after a parade. He had been stabbed througha tight leather belt that opened only after hedisrobed. From: techtone via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:48 AMCc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5?So far, all the ideas are far better than anything I could come up with,although the latest one is similar to something I once read about someone beingkilled with a super-sharp icicle, which melted and left no trace of a murderweapon, but it wasn't in a locked room as I recall. So, keep keeping us all insuspenders,?TeaTeaFN - Tony??Sent with ProtonMail SecureEmail. -- Tech1 mailinglist Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk | | This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com | -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Meet the mega-brain engineers, clinicians, students and manufacturers from Oxford University and King?s College who have built a machine that could be key to the battle against COVID-19. Read in The Face: https://apple.news/ANfWGY6ZzRmuSLgOzyPvLqg ???????????????? Alan Taylor -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of you may well be > interested in the imaginative thought processes behind it. > > Now we need a government smart enough to give it the green light and get > them made in bulk. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > *OxVent: could this prototype ventilator save thousands of lives?* > Meet the mega-brain engineers, clinicians, students and manufacturers from > Oxford University and King?s College who have built a machine that could be > key to the battle against COVID-19. > > Read in The Face: https://apple.news/ANfWGY6ZzRmuSLgOzyPvLqg > > ???????????????? > > Alan Taylor > ------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Wed Mar 25 04:09:09 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:09:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... Message-ID: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> There are lots of suggestions about what to do during this confinement - sort out your photos, clean under the bed etc., but the best thing we?ve found is to return to Radio 3. You don?t get the wall-to-wall coronavirus stuff, ( ?will the dog die? Can I use either hand to put my underwear on? Will the petrol in the car go off??) and you can discover a whole load of music new to you, and just short 3 min. news bulletins at 13:00 and 18:00. Oh, and no adverts, except the odd plug for a programme on R3. (?Coming up later.....?, as if someone is going to be sick). The playlist is good, too, with pops (they?re popular for a reason) and stuff by people you?ve never heard of. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Wed Mar 25 04:30:52 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:30:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... In-Reply-To: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> Message-ID: A new one to me heard on the Southeast News:- "Coming up before the end of the programme....." John H. From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Wed Mar 25 04:39:45 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:39:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Day 5 In-Reply-To: <178968484.3246821.1585125555419@mail.yahoo.com> References: <330c9936-07aa-b2c1-9e46-7a745860522d@gmail.com> <698225830.845722.1584954549825@mail.yahoo.com> <0gQTMQO0Qw4EkFK7r5piTCvodNRkM36H__2mQAJhLUIMfIpWNO3MsAo7ki6x7rEB5BNwLzNROT9A8YHdRfiz_o0PnkwMSCvebW26t91uAYY=@protonmail.com> <68B01012-8DE8-4FB6-A55D-C53D25C87CCC@mac.com> <178968484.3246821.1585125555419@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Lamb to the Slaughter From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to navigation Jump to search For other uses, see Lamb to the Slaughter (disambiguation) . "Lamb to the Slaughter" (1953) is a short story by Roald Dahl . It initially was rejected, along with four other stories, by The New Yorker, but was published in Harper's Magazine in September 1953.[1] It was adapted for an episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents that starred Barbara Bel Geddes and Harold J. Stone . Originally broadcast on April 13, 1958, this was one of only 17 AHPepisodes directed by Hitchcock . The episode was ranked #59 of the Top 100 Episodes by TV Guide in 2009.[2] The story was adapted for Dahl's British TV series Tales of the Unexpected . Dahl included it in his short story compilation Someone Like You . The narrative element of the housewife killing her husband and letting the policemen partake in eating the evidence was used by Pedro Almod?var in his 1984 movie What Have I Done to Deserve This? , with a leg of mutton. "Lamb to the Slaughter" demonstrates Dahl's fascination with horror (with elements of black comedy ), which is seen in both his adult fiction and his stories for children.[3] The story supposedly was suggested to Dahl by his friend Ian Fleming : "Why don't you have someone murder their husband with a frozen leg of mutton which she then serves to the detectives who come to investigate the murder?".[4] > On 25 Mar 2020, at 08:39, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > One TV thriller had a variation on the hitting/stabbing someone with a piece of ice, as a self-desposing weapon, but this did not leave the tell-tale puddle of water. They used dry-ice! > luv, Rog. > > On Tuesday, 24 March 2020, 23:45:21 GMT, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote: > > > "Lamb to the Slaughter" > It was originally a short story written by Roald Dahl which was included in one of the "Tales of the Unexpected" series. > Bill J > > On Tue, 24 Mar 2020, 23:16 Mike Giles via Tech1, > wrote: > And then there was the TV play where a wife killed her husband by hitting him on the head with a frozen leg of lamb, which she then cooked and shared with the investigating officers! > > Can?t remember any of the details, whether Beeb or ITV and I have no idea of the cast. > > Mike G > > >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 11:00, David Brunt via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> There was a variation of that one in a hoary old b/w 50s film I watched on Talking Pictures TV. >> >> A victim died in a locked room of a block of flats with only a small puddle of water on the floor. He had been shot from the other end of the flats (it was a U shaped building) and the bullet was made of ice. That melted. >> >> There was a Sherlock Holmes story where a soldier in full guards uniform died after a parade. He had been stabbed through a tight leather belt that opened only after he disrobed. >> >> >> >> >> From: techtone via Tech1 >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 10:48 AM >> Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Day 5 >> >> So far, all the ideas are far better than anything I could come up with, although the latest one is similar to something I once read about someone being killed with a super-sharp icicle, which melted and left no trace of a murder weapon, but it wasn't in a locked room as I recall. So, keep keeping us all in suspenders, >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> <>-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Wed Mar 25 06:03:39 2020 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:03:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Self isolating doggie In-Reply-To: <75B4CDA3-3653-429E-9892-6801D96C02DA@gmail.com> References: <883d9c60-6ad5-6124-89ff-2f3465d82ce9@gmail.com> <75B4CDA3-3653-429E-9892-6801D96C02DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86868563-A0BD-4DED-860E-B42D89BD8405@vincent68.plus.com> Let the dog move in Geoff. The advantages to your mental and physical health far outweigh the minimal risk. Just keep up the hand washing. A children?s consultant was once asked how to build up a child?s immune system. He replied ?let a puppy lick its face?. We have become obsessed with all this antibacterial stuff. We get rid of the good bacteria and let the nasty ones flourish. No wonder allergies are increasing! John V Sent from my iPad > On 23 Mar 2020, at 18:38, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi Alec, > Lovely picture. Dogs have their own ways of coping with life don?t they? The expression ?It?s a dog?s life? should mean one that we envy, not a miserable one. > My daughter has a cockapoo and till now I?ve been taking it for walks when she?s needed me too. I enjoy it and the dog is always pleased to see me, doing what my daughter describes as ?a full body wag? not just the tail. > With me and my wife being in isolation, my daughter won?t visit us as she?s a teacher and is still having to do cover for the students of essential workers. She was thinking of dropping the dog off so I can take it for a walk but wonders what the risk is of me picking up the virus from the dogs fur if my daughter had unknowingly transferred the virus to it. Have you any thoughts on that? I could wear gloves but that?s no guarantee as I would probably touch my face while wearing them without thinking, > > Geoff > >> On 23 Mar 2020, at 13:05, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> I'm not sure if daughter Lucy's dog, Chester, is self-isolating, self-insulating or just having a duvet day. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Actually, he was just knackered after a long walk! >> >> -- >> Best Regards >> >> Alec >> >> Alec Bray >> >> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com >> mob: 07789 561 346 >> home: 0118 981 7502 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 25 06:51:34 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:51:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interesting photo Message-ID: I was intrigued by the main photo in this story. Instead of using the usual conference bridge equipment for feeding an interview microphone to multiple reporters, they seem to have worked together in the field, gaffer taping multiple microphones and digital recorders into bundles to preserve social distancing more than would otherwise be the case. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/outrage-in-south-korea-over-telegram-sexual-abuse-ring-blackmailing-women-and-girls Conference bridges usually consist of a device taking the feed from the microphone and outputting it to maybe 12 or 24 individual XLR outputs so that journalists can simply plug in and get a feed. I did a conference in a France where they had an interesting arrangement. It was quite a large fan shaped wooden box with a small loudspeaker at the narrow end with a radiating arrangements of gently padded chambers. Those wanting a feed bring along an ordinary stick microphone and stuff it in an empty compartment pointing at the speaker. The guy looking after it saw that I was amused and explained that it?s simple and reliable. You can Easily check it?s working by listening to the speaker, everything else is down to the user. If your microphone works, you?ll get the feed and there?s no chance of one poorly earthed lead creating hum for everybody else. Alan Taylor From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Mar 25 09:50:40 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:50:40 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing Message-ID: <3280A2AA4AA349F08F8FC6761A6BCD74@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Lifted from Facebook where it is captioned with a gratuitous expletive (Even the ****ing seagulls get it). Dave Newbitt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Social Distancing.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 629646 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Mar 25 12:21:15 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:21:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... In-Reply-To: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> Message-ID: <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> Or if you prefer the spoken word, and some nostalgia, there's Radio 4 Extra. No ads. No boring News. I've just finished listening to a 'Paul Temple' serial. I used to love these as a kid. I now realise that the plots are rubbish, but they're wonderfully atmospheric. My wife is rediscovering the childhood joys of 'Knock-Down Ginger', i.e. knocking of people's doors and running away. This morning she was delivering milk to our Daughter's house, leaving it on the doorstep, knocking and running away. Later, she was delivering groceries to an elderly neighbour, by the same method. (Yes, we do have neighbours who are even older than we are! Although this one is more mobile than I am at present.) luv, Roger. On Wednesday, 25 March 2020, 09:10:52 GMT, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: There are lots of suggestions about what to do during this confinement - sort out your photos, clean under the bed etc., but the best thing we?ve found is to return to Radio 3. You don?t get the wall-to-wall coronavirus stuff, ( ?will the dog die?? Can I use either hand to put my underwear on? Will the petrol in the car go off??) and you can discover a whole load of music new to you, and just short 3 min. news bulletins at 13:00 and 18:00. Oh, and no adverts, except the odd plug for a programme on R3.? (?Coming up later.....?, as if someone is going to be sick). The playlist is good, too, with pops (they?re popular for a reason) and stuff by people you?ve never heard of. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Wed Mar 25 12:37:34 2020 From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:37:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... In-Reply-To: <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0e2138f4-5ee1-3ae8-5151-c9c3e8914645@armoor.co.uk> Hello! Following Roger's suggestion, over the years I've been recording radio plays. I can put them online for members of this list to access if anyone is interested. Sherlock Holmes, Paul Temple, Foundation Trilogy, Baldi, Lord of the Rings, some afternoon plays etc. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 25/03/2020 17:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Or if you prefer the spoken word, and some nostalgia, there's Radio 4 > Extra. No ads. No boring News. I've just finished listening to a 'Paul > Temple' serial. I used to love these as a kid. I now realise that the > plots are rubbish, but they're wonderfully atmospheric. > > My wife is rediscovering the childhood joys of 'Knock-Down Ginger', i.e. > knocking of people's doors and running away. This morning she was > delivering milk to our Daughter's house, leaving it on the doorstep, > knocking and running away. Later, she was delivering groceries to an > elderly neighbour, by the same method. (Yes, we do have neighbours who > are even older than we are! Although this one is more mobile than I am > at present.) > > luv, Roger. > > On Wednesday, 25 March 2020, 09:10:52 GMT, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: > > > There are lots of suggestions about what to do during this confinement - > sort out your photos, clean under the bed etc., but the best thing we?ve > found is to return to Radio 3. You don?t get the wall-to-wall > coronavirus stuff, ( ?will the dog die?? Can I use either hand to put my > underwear on? Will the petrol in the car go off??) and you can discover > a whole load of music new to you, and just short 3 min. news bulletins > at 13:00 and 18:00. > > Oh, and no adverts, except the odd plug for a programme on R3.? (?Coming > up later.....?, as if someone is going to be sick). > > The playlist is good, too, with pops (they?re popular for a reason) and > stuff by people you?ve never heard of. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 25 12:39:46 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:39:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... In-Reply-To: <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e7b9762.1c69fb81.80f98.b517@mx.google.com> I?m great fan of 4Extra ? for once I don?t mind repeats! In Paul Temple, I love Marjorie Westbury?s Cheltenham Ladies College cut-glass accent: ?Oh! Paul? Written by Francis Durbridge, a well respected author. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2020 17:22 To: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... Or if you prefer the spoken word, and some nostalgia, there's Radio 4 Extra. No ads. No boring News. I've just finished listening to a 'Paul Temple' serial. I used to love these as a kid. I now realise that the plots are rubbish, but they're wonderfully atmospheric. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Wed Mar 25 13:10:00 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:10:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Interesting photo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23314F42-03E9-4856-B41D-9D64A1875314@btinternet.com> When doing a NHU doco about the Exxon Valdez tanker disaster , we were on film, all the press corps were on video and would daisy chain recorder to recorder, from one mic, sometimes 20 of em . Watching their network outputs the difference in quality was amazing, all over the bleeding place in SQ. Later when doing a Monica Lewinski /Clinton doc in Washington, the press pool was in action, again on film, we turned up late for a chaotic PC, I put a tram and Micron on the main mic wind gag in front of a huge posse of reporters, who looked astonished at this affront to etiquette, a mere mention of BBC 2 was enough to stifle opposition. I knew there was nothing on my frequency, I was on VHF , a beeb channel. Again in Grenada US invasion, with the press corp , on film at the contested airport, a CBS cameraman with his wives gold tooth on a chain round his neck (all he had from a divorce!) looked at my Rycote blimp on a pole and said BBC 2, better quality wind noise?. Roger > On 25 Mar 2020, at 11:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I was intrigued by the main photo in this story. Instead of using the usual conference bridge equipment for feeding an interview microphone to multiple reporters, they seem to have worked together in the field, gaffer taping multiple microphones and digital recorders into bundles to preserve social distancing more than would otherwise be the case. > > https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/25/outrage-in-south-korea-over-telegram-sexual-abuse-ring-blackmailing-women-and-girls > > Conference bridges usually consist of a device taking the feed from the microphone and outputting it to maybe 12 or 24 individual XLR outputs so that journalists can simply plug in and get a feed. I did a conference in a France where they had an interesting arrangement. It was quite a large fan shaped wooden box with a small loudspeaker at the narrow end with a radiating arrangements of gently padded chambers. Those wanting a feed bring along an ordinary stick microphone and stuff it in an empty compartment pointing at the speaker. > > The guy looking after it saw that I was amused and explained that it?s simple and reliable. You can Easily check it?s working by listening to the speaker, everything else is down to the user. If your microphone works, you?ll get the feed and there?s no chance of one poorly earthed lead creating hum for everybody else. > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 13:17:51 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:17:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... In-Reply-To: <0e2138f4-5ee1-3ae8-5151-c9c3e8914645@armoor.co.uk> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com><216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <0e2138f4-5ee1-3ae8-5151-c9c3e8914645@armoor.co.uk> Message-ID: Have a look around https://fourble.co.uk/podcasts All sorts of US and UK radio for download. -----Original Message----- From: Ian Norman via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:37 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Keeping sane.... Hello! Following Roger's suggestion, over the years I've been recording radio plays. I can put them online for members of this list to access if anyone is interested. Sherlock Holmes, Paul Temple, Foundation Trilogy, Baldi, Lord of the Rings, some afternoon plays etc. Stay safe Ian Norman Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk Telephone: 01643 888181 On 25/03/2020 17:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Or if you prefer the spoken word, and some nostalgia, there's Radio 4 > Extra. No ads. No boring News. I've just finished listening to a 'Paul > Temple' serial. I used to love these as a kid. I now realise that the > plots are rubbish, but they're wonderfully atmospheric. > > My wife is rediscovering the childhood joys of 'Knock-Down Ginger', i.e. > knocking of people's doors and running away. This morning she was > delivering milk to our Daughter's house, leaving it on the doorstep, > knocking and running away. Later, she was delivering groceries to an > elderly neighbour, by the same method. (Yes, we do have neighbours who are > even older than we are! Although this one is more mobile than I am at > present.) > > luv, Roger. > > On Wednesday, 25 March 2020, 09:10:52 GMT, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: > > > There are lots of suggestions about what to do during this confinement - > sort out your photos, clean under the bed etc., but the best thing we?ve > found is to return to Radio 3. You don?t get the wall-to-wall coronavirus > stuff, ( ?will the dog die? Can I use either hand to put my underwear on? > Will the petrol in the car go off??) and you can discover a whole load of > music new to you, and just short 3 min. news bulletins at 13:00 and 18:00. > > Oh, and no adverts, except the odd plug for a programme on R3. (?Coming > up later.....?, as if someone is going to be sick). > > The playlist is good, too, with pops (they?re popular for a reason) and > stuff by people you?ve never heard of. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Mar 25 13:45:47 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:45:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing In-Reply-To: <3280A2AA4AA349F08F8FC6761A6BCD74@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <3280A2AA4AA349F08F8FC6761A6BCD74@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Nice one, Dave! Cheers, Other Dave On 25/03/2020 14:50, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Lifted from Facebook where it is captioned with a gratuitous expletive > (Even the ****ing seagulls get it). > Dave Newbitt > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Mar 25 14:03:48 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:03:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also loved Paul Temple have never forgotten one particular episode when his wife, Steve, was in a darkened room and reached for Paul's hand and gripped a very cold hand which belonged to a very dead hanged man! On my Sound Training Course I actually mixed one episode of the TV version. Many years later, after we had moved house, I discovered that 'Paul Temple' used the same bank as me,? lived opposite Sandown Racecourse, and drove a Jaguar XJS! Another unforgettable moment for me was in Dick Barton when a man tied to a chair was being forcibly restrained and the chair back broke. The sound effect was so realistic it could have been his back breaking! I also did the boom on a TV drama? which had 'Dick Barton' in it, it was quite eerie hearing him again after all those years!? My Children's Hour drama memories have lasted a lot longer than any TV ones! I think it's true to say that radio drama has better pictures than TV ones (apologies to all you pointers out there!). Cheers, Dave On 25/03/2020 17:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Or if you prefer the spoken word, and some nostalgia, there's Radio 4 > Extra. No ads. No boring News. I've just finished listening to a 'Paul > Temple' serial. I used to love these as a kid. I now realise that the > plots are rubbish, but they're wonderfully atmospheric. > > My wife is rediscovering the childhood joys of 'Knock-Down Ginger', > i.e. knocking of people's doors and running away. This morning she was > delivering milk to our Daughter's house, leaving it on the doorstep, > knocking and running away. Later, she was delivering groceries to an > elderly neighbour, by the same method. (Yes, we do have neighbours who > are even older than we are! Although this one is more mobile than I am > at present.) > > luv, Roger. > > On Wednesday, 25 March 2020, 09:10:52 GMT, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: > > > There are lots of suggestions about what to do during this confinement > - sort out your photos, clean under the bed etc., but the best thing > we?ve found is to return to Radio 3. You don?t get the wall-to-wall > coronavirus stuff, ( ?will the dog die?? Can I use either hand to put > my underwear on? Will the petrol in the car go off??) and you can > discover a whole load of music new to you, and just short 3 min. news > bulletins at 13:00 and 18:00. > > Oh, and no adverts, except the odd plug for a programme on R3.? > (?Coming up later.....?, as if someone is going to be sick). > > The playlist is good, too, with pops (they?re popular for a reason) > and stuff by people you?ve never heard of. > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 25 14:56:31 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:56:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e7bb76f.1c69fb81.bce15.0837@mx.google.com> Dave, that could have been one on which I was Gram Opping, and knowing that Noel Johnson had been Dick Barton, for the rehearsal, instead of the proper end music, I played in ?Devil?s Gallop? which was the Barton theme. I think Noel was quite pleased! The director could have been Gerry Blake, who enjoyed my farting about with sound effects, but I had to get it right on the night! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2020 19:03 To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Paul Temple I also did the boom on a TV drama? which had 'Dick Barton' in it, it was quite eerie hearing him again after all those years -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 25 15:00:07 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:00:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Interesting photo In-Reply-To: <5e7ba521.1c69fb81.40e9a.695d@mx.google.com> References: <23314F42-03E9-4856-B41D-9D64A1875314@btinternet.com> <5e7ba521.1c69fb81.40e9a.695d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e7bb847.1c69fb81.ef132.0a26@mx.google.com> From: patheigham Sent: 25 March 2020 18:38 To: Roger E Long Subject: RE: [Tech1] Interesting photo Before the re-unification of Germany, and before the wall came down, I was working on a doco for NBC on the ice skater Katarina Witt. She was addressing the East German parliament about something so we went in with our camera. There was an audio feed of the lectern mic supplied to a socket under one of the steps at the back of the auditorium, but it was a Tuchel! The highly helpful PA chap asked if I wanted an XLR, and duly produced an adaptor. Then said ?I?ll send you tone?. Setting my SQN knob to the usual position for a line level, it came up at exactly PPM4! I was much impressed. But I did have a problem with my VHF Audio R/M mics. Working on the West Berlin side in the Unter Den Linden, early in the morning, all was hunky-dory except that the female presenter could not get her spiel right, and promptly at 8am the East German TV tower went on air, completely swamping my radio. So had to switch to cabled mic. Trouble was I did not have my own kit, it was rented from the camera facility, and none of the connectors matched for the mic to switch from transmitter input to cable! So a different mic to be fitted to presenter. I made sure that I used my own kit from then on, all connectors are interchangeable and all mics are in phase. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2020 18:10 To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting photo When doing a NHU doco about the Exxon Valdez tanker disaster , we were on film, all the press corps were on video and would daisy chain recorder to recorder, from one mic, sometimes 20 of em . Watching their network outputs the difference in quality was amazing, all over the bleeding place in SQ. Later when doing a Monica Lewinski /Clinton doc in Washington, the press pool was in action, again on film, we turned up late for a chaotic PC, I put a tram and Micron on the main mic wind gag in front of a huge posse of reporters, who looked astonished at this affront to etiquette, a mere mention of BBC 2 was enough to stifle opposition. I knew there was nothing on my frequency, I was on VHF , a beeb channel. Again in Grenada US invasion, with the press corp , on film at the contested airport, a CBS cameraman with his wives gold tooth on a chain round his neck (all he had from a divorce!) looked at my Rycote blimp on a pole and said BBC 2, better quality wind noise?. Roger > On 25 Mar 2020, at 11:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I was intrigued by the main photo in this story. Instead of using the usual conference bridge equipment for feeding an interview microphone to multiple reporters, they seem to have worked together in the field, gaffer taping multiple microphones and digital recorders into bundles to preserve social distancing more than would otherwise be the case. Virus-free. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Mar 25 15:14:00 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:14:00 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com><216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers down the spine of a young lad. On balance better than Hughie Green and Beechams Powders! Dave Newbitt. From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 7:03 PM To: ROGER BUNCE ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Paul Temple I also loved Paul Temple have never forgotten one particular episode when his wife, Steve, was in a darkened room and reached for Paul's hand and gripped a very cold hand which belonged to a very dead hanged man! On my Sound Training Course I actually mixed one episode of the TV version. Many years later, after we had moved house, I discovered that 'Paul Temple' used the same bank as me, lived opposite Sandown Racecourse, and drove a Jaguar XJS! Another unforgettable moment for me was in Dick Barton when a man tied to a chair was being forcibly restrained and the chair back broke. The sound effect was so realistic it could have been his back breaking! I also did the boom on a TV drama which had 'Dick Barton' in it, it was quite eerie hearing him again after all those years! My Children's Hour drama memories have lasted a lot longer than any TV ones! I think it's true to say that radio drama has better pictures than TV ones (apologies to all you pointers out there!). Cheers, Dave On 25/03/2020 17:21, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Or if you prefer the spoken word, and some nostalgia, there's Radio 4 Extra. No ads. No boring News. I've just finished listening to a 'Paul Temple' serial. I used to love these as a kid. I now realise that the plots are rubbish, but they're wonderfully atmospheric. My wife is rediscovering the childhood joys of 'Knock-Down Ginger', i.e. knocking of people's doors and running away. This morning she was delivering milk to our Daughter's house, leaving it on the doorstep, knocking and running away. Later, she was delivering groceries to an elderly neighbour, by the same method. (Yes, we do have neighbours who are even older than we are! Although this one is more mobile than I am at present.) luv, Roger. On Wednesday, 25 March 2020, 09:10:52 GMT, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote: There are lots of suggestions about what to do during this confinement - sort out your photos, clean under the bed etc., but the best thing we?ve found is to return to Radio 3. You don?t get the wall-to-wall coronavirus stuff, ( ?will the dog die? Can I use either hand to put my underwear on? Will the petrol in the car go off??) and you can discover a whole load of music new to you, and just short 3 min. news bulletins at 13:00 and 18:00. Oh, and no adverts, except the odd plug for a programme on R3. (?Coming up later.....?, as if someone is going to be sick). The playlist is good, too, with pops (they?re popular for a reason) and stuff by people you?ve never heard of. Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Mar 25 15:26:54 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:26:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com><216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <5e7bbe8e.1c69fb81.7a9a1.0dbb@mx.google.com> As 4Extra broadcast all the JiS stories, I have all the episodes on CD, or mp3, if anyone would like a copy (provided I can find them on my laptop!). In 1956, I was in hospital having had my appendix out, and my parents arrived to visit, right before JiS was on the hospital radio system. I was less than pleased, being ready to hide under the bedclothes with the headphones! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 25 March 2020 20:14 To: dave.mdv; ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Paul Temple While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers down the spine of a young lad. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Mar 25 18:38:58 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:38:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Interesting photo In-Reply-To: <5e7bb847.1c69fb81.ef132.0a26@mx.google.com> References: <5e7bb847.1c69fb81.ef132.0a26@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A couple of press conference stories. At a fairly small press conference, I got there nice and early and spoke to the guy on the sound desk and arranged to get an Aux output from the sound desk of just the microphone feeds. We tested it, everything was hunky dory and I waited for the event to start. Then a Sky crew turned up. The cameraman seemed a bit amateurish, but the sound guy was in another league altogether and not in a good way. He asked me how I was going to pick up the panel microphones and I told him I took a feed from the sound desk. He went off to do the same but came back and asked me if I had a double male XLR adaptor. I didn?t think to ask why, but just gave it to him. He returned moments later, listened to his cans and complained that all he was getting was hum. I asked him where the sound guy asked him to connect and he said that the guy wasn?t there so he just took the next available channel. I soon sussed that he wanted the gender changer because he was trying to plug into an input channel instead of an output. The conference was soon going to start, so to quickly get him sorted I said that I?d give him a feed from my mixer as we were both listening to the same thing. I gave him a lead, he plugged it in and then looked horrified. He reckoned i must have broken his mixer because if he turned up the channel the tiniest bit, it was hopelessly distorted and if he turned it further down it was completely muted. I said that it was a line level feed and he needs to set his mixer to cope with it. He had no idea what I meant, so I fiddled about with my mixer and sent him the feed at mic level. In conversation afterwards ( where he failed to thank me in any way ) he revealed what he was charging as his daily fee. It was less than 40% of what most recordists would have charged in those days. I think that Sky were overpaying him based on his performance. The second story involved a Papal visit. We did a number of shows over a few days where the Pope would briefly speak on arrival. Again I turned up nice and early, put a nice shiny microphone on a nice shiny stand and waited. At each location, a few minutes prior to the Pope arriving, a guy from the Vatican press outfit came along and taped his microphone to mine. I soon got slightly miffed about this, found a broken XLR cable in my bag and took off the end to expose bare wires. When the Vatican guy next taped his microphone to mine, I disconnected my mic from my mixer, connected that bare wire cable to the microphone lead and watched for when he was checking his microphone. As soon as I could see him listening, I started brushing the bare wires against the terminals of a PP3 battery. My microphone was a dynamic microphone and they work quite well as loudspeakers, so the microphone emitted a crackling sound when I brushed the leads against the battery. The Vatican guy heard loud crackles on his microphone and deduced there must be a fault. I saw him tug on the lead going into his mixer and I tried to match the crackles to his actions. When he paused, I paused. He quickly deduced that his lead was duff. In a state of panic, he quickly found another lead and rushed to swap it. As he sat down to check all was well, I couldn?t resist one more crackle, which immediately got him fiddling with the mixer connection as he knew that he had just installed a good lead. It looked as though he had decided to push on one side of the connector to ensure that it was a solid connection. Obviously I put my microphone into the mixer, we did the event and there were no more crackles. When it was over, I had initially forgotten about the jape, but noticed the Vatican guy still fiddling with the connection out of curiosity, so I did a quick replug and gave him another crackle for old times sake. I then dismantled my microphone, untaped his and left him to wonder whether his dodgy connection was miraculously cured at the crucial moment by divine intervention. Alan Taylor > On 25 Mar 2020, at 20:00, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > From: patheigham > Sent: 25 March 2020 18:38 > To: Roger E Long > Subject: RE: [Tech1] Interesting photo > > Before the re-unification of Germany, and before the wall came down, I was working on a doco for NBC on the ice skater Katarina Witt. > She was addressing the East German parliament about something so we went in with our camera. > There was an audio feed of the lectern mic supplied to a socket under one of the steps at the back of the auditorium, but it was a Tuchel! > The highly helpful PA chap asked if I wanted an XLR, and duly produced an adaptor. Then said ?I?ll send you tone?. > Setting my SQN knob to the usual position for a line level, it came up at exactly PPM4! I was much impressed. > > But I did have a problem with my VHF Audio R/M mics. Working on the West Berlin side in the Unter Den Linden, early in the morning, all > was hunky-dory except that the female presenter could not get her spiel right, and promptly at 8am the East German TV tower went on air, > completely swamping my radio. So had to switch to cabled mic. Trouble was I did not have my own kit, it was rented from the camera facility, > and none of the connectors matched for the mic to switch from transmitter input to cable! So a different mic to be fitted to presenter. > I made sure that I used my own kit from then on, all connectors are interchangeable and all mics are in phase. > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Roger E Long via Tech1 > Sent: 25 March 2020 18:10 > To: Alan Taylor > Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting photo > > When doing a NHU doco about the Exxon Valdez tanker disaster , we were on film, all the press corps were on video and would daisy chain recorder to recorder, from one mic, sometimes 20 of em . > Watching their network outputs the difference in quality was amazing, all over the bleeding place in SQ. > Later when doing a Monica Lewinski /Clinton doc in Washington, the press pool was in action, again on film, we turned up late for a chaotic PC, I put a tram and Micron on the main mic wind gag in front of a huge posse of reporters, who looked astonished at this affront to etiquette, a mere mention of BBC 2 was enough to stifle opposition. > I knew there was nothing on my frequency, I was on VHF , a beeb channel. > Again in Grenada US invasion, with the press corp , on film at the contested airport, a CBS cameraman with his wives gold tooth on a chain round his neck (all he had from a divorce!) looked at my Rycote blimp on a pole and said BBC 2, better quality wind noise?. > Roger > > > On 25 Mar 2020, at 11:51, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > > > I was intrigued by the main photo in this story. Instead of using the usual conference bridge equipment for feeding an interview microphone to multiple reporters, they seem to have worked together in the field, gaffer taping multiple microphones and digital recorders into bundles to preserve social distancing more than would otherwise be the case. > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Mar 26 05:09:55 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:09:55 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] PPE References: <1932206329.4585891.1585217396179.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1932206329.4585891.1585217396179@mail.yahoo.com> The Government reveals new Personal Protective Equipment, for use against the Corona Virus. 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Stay safe Ian Norman From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Mar 26 06:36:22 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:36:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Ladybird Book of Covid 19 In-Reply-To: <354144792.2359399.1585214129317@mail.yahoo.com> References: <354144792.2359399.1585214129317.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <354144792.2359399.1585214129317@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e7c93b9.1c69fb81.90c22.a9b4@mx.google.com> A friend sent this today ? might raise a grim smile! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Any thoughts/comments anyone? > > Dave Newbitt. > > From: ao.com > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:46 AM > To: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net > Subject: Help create a COVID-19 symptom heat map > > URGENT - HELP THE NHS BEAT COVID-19 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > View email online | Unsubscribe > > > > > > Home Help & Advice Deals > > > > URGENT - HELP THE NHS > BEAT COVID-19 > > > > AO is helping the NHS by supporting a UK 'heat map' to boost the fight against COVID 19. Sign up to the FREE, ANONYMOUS Evergreen Life app, NHS assured for patient facing services, and say if you have symptoms or not. This will help doctors treat the right people in the right places - and crucially develop better understanding of the virus. Please sign up and share this link with everyone you know. Together we can beat COVID 19. Thank you. > > Click to help > > > > > As well as being AO's Founder and CEO, I also have a very small interest in helping a business over the last few years called Evergreen Health. Their mission in life is to help people take control of their health and never has this been more important. > > I have been asked by Stephen, the Founder and CEO of Evergreen, if we can help by mobilising the wider AO Family. They have today launched a capability to enable the NHS to track COVID-19 which will create a picture of where this invisible enemy is growing and how it is spreading. This will then help to inform where capacity will be required and how to direct testing once it becomes available. > > The answers you give remain completely anonymous as your data will be secure. Evergreen is an NHS assured Patient Facing Services App and has been working with the NHS since 2015. 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URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Thu Mar 26 08:25:22 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com><216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Yes. Think we may have had TV by then - or perhaps my parents wanted to listen to something else. And the only other radio in the house was in their bedroom. So can remember listening to it there, on my own. I came across repeats on R4X a few years ago in the early morning and listened to them all in bed. And was surprised how much I remembered of the originals - some 60 odd years ago. In article <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers down the spine of a young lad. On balance better than Hughie Green and Beechams Powders! -- *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 10:14:27 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:14:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: V Yes Journey Into Space was a must! What about Saturday Night Theatre and being scared rigid listening to Valentine Doyle as The Man In Black. Geoff F On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Yes. Think we may have had TV by then - or perhaps my parents wanted to > listen to something else. > > And the only other radio in the house was in their bedroom. So can > remember listening to it there, on my own. > > I came across repeats on R4X a few years ago in the early morning and > listened to them all in bed. And was surprised how much I remembered of > the originals - some 60 odd years ago. > > > > In article <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, > David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? > Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers > down the spine of a young lad. On balance better than Hughie Green and > Beechams Powders! > > -- > *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 10:16:03 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:16:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: should have been Valentine Doyle but I've probably spelt it wrong! GF On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:14, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > V > Yes Journey Into Space was a must! What about Saturday Night Theatre and > being scared rigid listening to Valentine Doyle as The Man In Black. > Geoff F > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > >> Yes. Think we may have had TV by then - or perhaps my parents wanted to >> listen to something else. >> >> And the only other radio in the house was in their bedroom. So can >> remember listening to it there, on my own. >> >> I came across repeats on R4X a few years ago in the early morning and >> listened to them all in bed. And was surprised how much I remembered of >> the originals - some 60 odd years ago. >> >> >> >> In article <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, >> David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >> > While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? >> Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers >> down the spine of a young lad. On balance better than Hughie Green and >> Beechams Powders! >> >> -- >> *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. >> >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 10:19:29 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:19:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Third attempt! It was Valentine Dyall and the series was titled "Appointment With Fear". GF On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:16, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > should have been Valentine Doyle but I've probably spelt it wrong! > GF > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:14, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > >> V >> Yes Journey Into Space was a must! What about Saturday Night Theatre and >> being scared rigid listening to Valentine Doyle as The Man In Black. >> Geoff F >> >> On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 < >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> Yes. Think we may have had TV by then - or perhaps my parents wanted to >>> listen to something else. >>> >>> And the only other radio in the house was in their bedroom. So can >>> remember listening to it there, on my own. >>> >>> I came across repeats on R4X a few years ago in the early morning and >>> listened to them all in bed. And was surprised how much I remembered of >>> the originals - some 60 odd years ago. >>> >>> >>> >>> In article <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, >>> David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> > While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? >>> Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers >>> down the spine of a young lad. On balance better than Hughie Green and >>> Beechams Powders! >>> >>> -- >>> *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. >>> >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Thu Mar 26 10:47:59 2020 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:47:59 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com><216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com><7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1><58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <9ED56F527D384E14BE7D4EDC94F387D7@dell9100> some where i know i have a cassette of Return From Mars also several episodes of journey into space time to convert them to mp3? or maybe that already been done! chris glass From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Thu Mar 26 10:56:05 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:56:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <7BE2154B-6DE5-40C4-AA27-6DCDE2F5742D@btinternet.com> Or even Valentine Dyall! Barry. On 26 Mar 2020, at 15:16, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > should have been Valentine Doyle but I've probably spelt it wrong! > GF > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:14, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > V > Yes Journey Into Space was a must! What about Saturday Night Theatre and being scared rigid listening to Valentine Doyle as The Man In Black. > Geoff F > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Yes. Think we may have had TV by then - or perhaps my parents wanted to > listen to something else. > > And the only other radio in the house was in their bedroom. So can > remember listening to it there, on my own. > > I came across repeats on R4X a few years ago in the early morning and > listened to them all in bed. And was surprised how much I remembered of > the originals - some 60 odd years ago. > > > > In article <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, > David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers down the spine of a young lad. On balance better than Hughie Green and Beechams Powders! > > -- > *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Mar 26 11:27:34 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <743775592.5117657.1585240054924@mail.yahoo.com> Valentine Dyall also made guest appearances on the more sinister episodes of the Goon Show. When I was a young whipper-snapper, they broadcast Paul Temple once a week, which gave enough time to forget bits. Now, they broadcast them on consecutive days, which makes it easier to spot the plot holes! In fact, if you get a boxed set (i.e. CDs in a cardboard box - not this newfangled streaming stuff) - you start to spot whole chunks of dialogue which have been lifted from serial to another! And why dies Sir Graham Forbes (Head of Something a Scotland Yard) report to Paul Temple (just this civilian)?! But I still love the characters, the cliff-hangers, the atmosphere, and the 'Coronation Scott' signature tune - and the unadulterated nostalgia, of course. luv, Roger.? On Thursday, 26 March 2020, 15:19:43 GMT, Geoff Fletcher wrote: Third attempt! It was Valentine Dyall and the series was titled "Appointment With Fear".GF On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:16, Geoff Fletcher wrote: should have been Valentine Doyle but I've probably spelt it wrong!GF On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:14, Geoff Fletcher wrote: VYes Journey Into Space was a must! What about Saturday Night Theatre and being scared rigid listening to Valentine Doyle as The Man In Black.?Geoff F On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Yes. Think we may have had TV by then - or perhaps my parents wanted to listen to something else. And the only other radio in the house was in their bedroom. So can remember listening to it there, on my own. I came across repeats on R4X a few years ago in the early morning and listened to them all in bed. And was surprised how much I remembered of the originals - some 60 odd years ago.? ? ? In article <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, ? ?David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > While we?re at it how about Journey into Space with Jet & Lemmy et al? Each episode invariably with a chilling cliffhanger ending sent shivers down the spine of a young lad. On balance better than Hughie Green and Beechams Powders! -- *It's lonely at the top, but you eat better. ? ? Dave Plowman? ? ?dave at davesound.co.uk? ? ?London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Mar 26 12:13:12 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:13:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Appointment with Fear In-Reply-To: References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: My wife still tells everyone about when she was alone in the house, listening to Valentine Dyall and being too scared to go out of the living room and cross the dark hall to go to the loo, until her parents came home! Cheers, Dave On 26/03/2020 15:19, Geoff Fletcher wrote: > Third attempt! It was Valentine Dyall and the series was titled > "Appointment With Fear". > GF > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:16, Geoff Fletcher > wrote: > > should have been Valentine Doyle but I've probably spelt it wrong! > GF > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 15:14, Geoff Fletcher > wrote: > > V > Yes Journey Into Space was a must! What about Saturday Night > Theatre and being scared rigid listening to Valentine Doyle as > The Man In Black. > Geoff F > > On Thu, 26 Mar 2020 at 14:58, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Yes. Think we may have had TV by then - or perhaps my > parents wanted to > listen to something else. > > And the only other radio in the house was in their > bedroom. So can > remember listening to it there, on my own. > > I came across repeats on R4X a few years ago in the early > morning and > listened to them all in bed. 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From: Graeme Wall Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:58 AM To: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Help create a COVID-19 symptom heat map The recommended app appears to be Zoe, created by researchers at St Thomas hospital. Sent from my iPad ? Graeme Wall On 26 Mar 2020, at 11:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: ? This looks genuine enough to me so I offer it for a wider view. Any thoughts/comments anyone? Dave Newbitt. From: ao.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:46 AM To: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Subject: Help create a COVID-19 symptom heat map URGENT - HELP THE NHS BEAT COVID-19 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? View email online | Unsubscribe Home Help & Advice Deals URGENT - HELP THE NHS BEAT COVID-19 AO is helping the NHS by supporting a UK 'heat map' to boost the fight against COVID 19. 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The first link below is the Wikipedia entry and is interesting as to the background of the series. The second link is to a website which allows one to download the episodes to your computer, although I found that they would directly play to a tablet. Dunno if you saw my posting, it didn?t show up on my in-box: In 1956, I was in hospital having had my appendix out, and my parents arrived to visit, right before JiS was on the hospital radio system. I was less than pleased, being ready to hide under the bedclothes with the headphones! Best Pat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_into_Space https://www.oldtimeradiodownloads.com/sci-fi/journey-into-space Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Thu Mar 26 16:25:33 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 21:25:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Paul Temple In-Reply-To: <743775592.5117657.1585240054924@mail.yahoo.com> References: <897A71D1-6651-4DEF-B5D3-7487A2A485FE@me.com> <216422629.4009422.1585156875306@mail.yahoo.com> <7C83EC041BF7421286F7E67054D65A22@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <58574d1777dave@davesound.co.uk> <743775592.5117657.1585240054924@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ah yes, I always cowered behind the sofa when Journey Into Space was on if there was any chance the Martians were about to get Lemmy (or Doc, et al). But far more importantly, it came just after THE GOON SHOW. That for me was absolutely unmissable.......Eccles: 'Land ahoy'.............graunch, crunch, crash, bang, arrrgh, crackle, bang, whoosh, splash........'Oh, I should have said that sooner'. 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TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Mar 26 18:57:53 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 23:57:53 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Goons In-Reply-To: <2mmqhh50nnkrdtuf6mopxwlt.1585265521786@email.android.com> References: <2mmqhh50nnkrdtuf6mopxwlt.1585265521786@email.android.com> Message-ID: Was it Valentine Dyall who ?kills 99% of all known jokes? or was that another actor, another time, another place? Anyone straighten me out? Dave Newbitt. From: MR P HEIGHAM via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:38 PM To: techtone ; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Goons There was another crack from Spike: Dyall: "I'm Valentine Dyall - I have one boy" Milligan: "That must be your sonDyall!" Pat On 26 March 2020, at 21:25, techtone via Tech1 wrote: Ah yes, I always cowered behind the sofa when Journey Into Space was on if there was any chance the Martians were about to get Lemmy (or Doc, et al). But far more importantly, it came just after THE GOON SHOW. That for me was absolutely unmissable.......Eccles: 'Land ahoy'.............graunch, crunch, crash, bang, arrrgh, crackle, bang, whoosh, splash........'Oh, I should have said that sooner'. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Mar 27 02:16:39 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:16:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Goons In-Reply-To: <2mmqhh50nnkrdtuf6mopxwlt.1585265521786@email.android.com> References: <2mmqhh50nnkrdtuf6mopxwlt.1585265521786@email.android.com> Message-ID: <986833EF-4DE3-4922-8C23-42919ADAF125@me.com> Talking of Spike Milligan, I did a series of shows called Troupers. They were directed by Don Sayer and the basic premise was that for each episode, a legendary, veteran performer would go onstage in a regional theatre and talk about their life, linking to various VT clips along the way. Or as one performer cynically remarked, we?re making our own obituaries. Spike Milligan was booked for one and having enjoyed his humour, I was rather looking forward to it. At the planning meeting, all the heads of department had done several of these shows, so most aspects had already been worked out. Don Sayer went through the script with everyone. Those were the days of ten second cues to run a VT and the plan was the same as for all the previous shows - Spike would talk for a few minutes and then utter a key word. By the time he finished that sentence, the VT would be up to speed and we could cut to it. Having worked with Spike a little bit, I asked whether Spike fully understood the need to say the trigger word followed by exactly ten seconds of what was scripted. Don assured me that Spike was an experienced broadcaster who knew how television worked and what needed to be done. Spike went on stage at The Questors in Ealing, the audience loved him, he loved the audience. He went off doing his own glorious thing for an hour or so of hilarious mayhem. He didn?t get anywhere close to uttering any of the trigger words, or even vaguely referencing the phrase that was supposed to contain them. The play button on the VT machine grew cobwebs. Don was the only one who appeared to be surprised that things went that way. Alan Taylor > On 26 Mar 2020, at 23:39, MR P HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > There was another crack from Spike: > Dyall: "I'm Valentine Dyall - I have one boy" > Milligan: "That must be your sonDyall!" > > Pat > > > > On 26 March 2020, at 21:25, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > > Ah yes, I always cowered behind the sofa when Journey Into Space was on if there was any chance the Martians were about to get Lemmy (or Doc, et al). But far more importantly, it came just after THE GOON SHOW. That for me was absolutely unmissable.......Eccles: 'Land ahoy'.............graunch, crunch, crash, bang, arrrgh, crackle, bang, whoosh, splash........'Oh, I should have said that sooner'. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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So these people have been forced by BBC and others to do this meaning they will get no support at these difficult times. I am now retired so this does not directly affect me but many of my colleagues who are still in the business are extremely angry Regards David Denness David Denness 2 Cambridge Park Court Twickenham TW1 2JN 07836 371108 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Fri Mar 27 06:42:09 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:42:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Goons In-Reply-To: <986833EF-4DE3-4922-8C23-42919ADAF125@me.com> References: <986833EF-4DE3-4922-8C23-42919ADAF125@me.com> Message-ID: Great story Alan! Loved the cobwebs. David it was Valentine Dyall and I am fairly certain it was a Milligan gag, perhaps Q5 or Oh! in Colour? One of my favourite Journey into Space characters from The Red Planet was Whitaker the zombified crewman from freighter 2. I just looked him up and he was Anthony Marriot. I had thought it was one of David Jacobs many many JIS characters but he was the other freighter 2 crewman. Best of all is the airlock door sound effect. Peter Fox > On 27 Mar 2020, at 07:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Talking of Spike Milligan, I did a series of shows called Troupers. They were directed by Don Sayer and the basic premise was that for each episode, a legendary, veteran performer would go onstage in a regional theatre and talk about their life, linking to various VT clips along the way. Or as one performer cynically remarked, we?re making our own obituaries. > > Spike Milligan was booked for one and having enjoyed his humour, I was rather looking forward to it. At the planning meeting, all the heads of department had done several of these shows, so most aspects had already been worked out. Don Sayer went through the script with everyone. Those were the days of ten second cues to run a VT and the plan was the same as for all the previous shows - Spike would talk for a few minutes and then utter a key word. By the time he finished that sentence, the VT would be up to speed and we could cut to it. > > Having worked with Spike a little bit, I asked whether Spike fully understood the need to say the trigger word followed by exactly ten seconds of what was scripted. Don assured me that Spike was an experienced broadcaster who knew how television worked and what needed to be done. > > Spike went on stage at The Questors in Ealing, the audience loved him, he loved the audience. He went off doing his own glorious thing for an hour or so of hilarious mayhem. He didn?t get anywhere close to uttering any of the trigger words, or even vaguely referencing the phrase that was supposed to contain them. The play button on the VT machine grew cobwebs. > > Don was the only one who appeared to be surprised that things went that way. > > Alan Taylor > > > >>> On 26 Mar 2020, at 23:39, MR P HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> There was another crack from Spike: >> Dyall: "I'm Valentine Dyall - I have one boy" >> Milligan: "That must be your sonDyall!" >> >> Pat >> >> >> >> On 26 March 2020, at 21:25, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Ah yes, I always cowered behind the sofa when Journey Into Space was on if there was any chance the Martians were about to get Lemmy (or Doc, et al). But far more importantly, it came just after THE GOON SHOW. That for me was absolutely unmissable.......Eccles: 'Land ahoy'.............graunch, crunch, crash, bang, arrrgh, crackle, bang, whoosh, splash........'Oh, I should have said that sooner'. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tonys at tonyscott.org.uk Fri Mar 27 07:12:37 2020 From: tonys at tonyscott.org.uk (Tony Scott) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 12:12:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] freelance support? In-Reply-To: <002401d6042b$f623bb50$e26b31f0$@gmail.com> References: <002401d6042b$f623bb50$e26b31f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: This issue is being chased up by Bectu https://mobile.twitter.com/bectu/status/1243489928408895491 On Fri, 27 Mar 2020, 11:36 David Denness via Tech1, wrote: > Gents and Ladies > > You are probably not aware but a significant number of self-employed TV > technicians including cameramen/women, sound engineers, technicians and > even on screen presenters are not included in this package from the > chancellor. > > These are people the BBC and others have insisted on each person opening > limited companies to make paying them simpler for freelance work they are > hired to undertake. > > This is so they don?t have to pay holiday or pension contributions and > avoid National Insurance payments > > This means each individual then takes director fees or dividends from > their company which rules them out of the help the chancellor has unveiled. > > So these people have been forced by BBC and others to do this meaning they > will get no support at these difficult times. > > I am now retired so this does not directly affect me but many of my > colleagues who are still in the business are extremely angry > > Regards > > David Denness > > > > > > David Denness > > 2 Cambridge Park Court > > Twickenham TW1 2JN > > 07836 371108 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, because I know some of you have concerns about junk email and scams, etc., I feel duty bound to pass on this alert from my daughter Ellie, who is working with Critical Care Covid-19 patients. She says: ?Just a heads up, if you get an email from the Department of Health saying not to eat tinned pork because it contains Covid-19, ignore it. It?s spam.? Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Mar 2020, at 14:08, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: ? At last a lighter look at the virus situation with apologies to anyone who has suffered a loss: VIDEOx John H. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My wife Judi and I are both eligible on age and/or health-related grounds for priority on the waiting lists for home delivery of food and essentials, but so far have failed to obtain delivery slots within the next six weeks. But on the positive side, my future son-in-law Sam (who supplies wines to restaurants, etc., and is still able to do business from home) has added us to his staff discount account login. We can now order all the wines we want at up to 50% discount with free delivery. So we might survive after all! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Mar 2020, at 16:08, Nick Ware wrote: ? I think we need to be a bit careful of humour and jokes concerning Covid-19, because inevitably there will be some amongst us who are going to find it anything but funny. However, because I know some of you have concerns about junk email and scams, etc., I feel duty bound to pass on this alert from my daughter Ellie, who is working with Critical Care Covid-19 patients. She says: ?Just a heads up, if you get an email from the Department of Health saying not to eat tinned pork because it contains Covid-19, ignore it. It?s spam.? Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 27 Mar 2020, at 14:08, John Howell via Tech1 wrote: ? At last a lighter look at the virus situation with apologies to anyone who has suffered a loss: VIDEOx John H. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Mar 27 12:11:20 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 17:11:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Virtual disorganised has moved house In-Reply-To: <1e49c863-a72e-f672-1d97-e692209da2b2@imixmics.co.uk> References: <1e49c863-a72e-f672-1d97-e692209da2b2@imixmics.co.uk> Message-ID: <1be93d78-fe63-5880-3d6b-f6393b912ea0@gmail.com> I can't imagine that evil people would, even if they could, be interested in a load of retired persons chatting. Everybody is using it at the moment,? so we really aren't important at all. I've now run around half a dozen meets. All went basically well, though some people probably could do with an FAQ that starts - "First you need a webcam and microphone". Laptops, tablets and phones have them built in.?? A lady on one session said "Why is the background wobbling on my feed and everyone else is fixed? " "That's because you're holding your phone" . There's a magic keying system that puts in fake backgrounds very efficiently. They say, not surprisingly, that green screen is best, but it has worked on both my computers with just a room behind me. You can run videos, or show off your photo collection just by switching your camera feed off. You don't even have to download the software initially, if you are invited to join a session. You click the link and the system sorts you out. Free sessions are generally limited to 40 minutes, and it dies without warning . It did give one group a free open ended session, which is presumably an introductory offer. I assume I won't get another of those. B On 27/03/2020 15:52, John Nottage via Tech1 wrote: > Coronavirus: Zoom is in everyone's living room - how safe is it? > > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52033217 > > On 26/03/2020 14:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> https://us04web.zoom.us/j/966564331?pwd=eW5GdDREczZIWjlvZWhXOEcyNEJ4Zz09 >> >> click?the?link >> >> B >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homebrianlesley at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 05:54:58 2020 From: homebrianlesley at gmail.com (Brian White) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:54:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED Message-ID: Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this triggered a meteoric rise very soon? Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time depending on the C situation from; A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Mar 28 06:00:02 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:00:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: > > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time > depending on the C situation from; > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 06:15:25 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 11:15:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72006ff7-2cf0-7508-b4f5-9d37398e459e@ntlworld.com> I worked on the first series. Somewhere here I have the first episode "The Plastic Eaters" on VHS.?? John Paul and Simon Oates were tall, and we were always having to get the chippies to put corner pieces on the set overnight to prevent shoot-offs. The most eventful episode was the one with the cockroaches. They were completely forbidden in studios, but they got some kind of a dispensation. At the end of recording Rentokil arrived with a large fish tank with a bowl of fruit in the middle. They released a pile of cockroaches onto the fruit and we took shots of them. Once the director was happy, Rentokil sprayed them with insecticide from large sprayers. Unfortunately the sprayers were rather powerful and blew the cockroaches out of the tank. We all rushed around stamping on them. Most memorable for me though, was that I was always inheriting Alec Wheale's shots because somehow I was better placed. B On 28/03/2020 11:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) >> reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". >> Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 >> as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? >> Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? >> Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this >> triggered a meteoric rise very soon? >> Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time >> depending on the C situation from; >> A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! >> Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend >> some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ >> 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. >> SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 >> Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We all rushed around stamping on them. Most memorable for me though, was that I was always inheriting Alec Wheale's shots because somehow I was better placed. B On 28/03/2020 11:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) >> reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". >> Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 >> as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? >> Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? >> Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this >> triggered a meteoric rise very soon? >> Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time >> depending on the C situation from; >> A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! >> Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend >> some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ >> 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. >> SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 >> Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Graeme Wall > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: > > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time > depending on the C situation from; > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Mar 28 08:20:50 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 13:20:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A872821-BACD-4350-B5CB-C1EB806CEE42@me.com> For anybody interested In seeing the series again, Survivors is available on YouTube. Alan Taylor > On 28 Mar 2020, at 13:08, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' series. > It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... > > > all the best, > Gary > On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 11:00:32 GMT, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > > Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) > > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". > > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 > > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? > > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? > > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this > > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? > > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time > > depending on the C situation from; > > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! > > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend > > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ > > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. > > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 > > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maybe crew 3 or 16 > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time > depending on the C situation from; > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Mar 28 09:50:53 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <3A872821-BACD-4350-B5CB-C1EB806CEE42@me.com> References: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> <3A872821-BACD-4350-B5CB-C1EB806CEE42@me.com> Message-ID: <1991291416.417083.1585407053864@mail.yahoo.com> Wasn't there an episode where the heroes encountered a community who had self-isolated? As a result they had no immunity, so when the met the heroes, they all died. Possibly not an episode you'd want to watch at present! luv, Rog. On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 13:21:26 GMT, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: For anybody interested In seeing the series again, Survivors is available on YouTube. Alan Taylor On 28 Mar 2020, at 13:08, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: ? ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' series.It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... ?? all the best,? Gary On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 11:00:32 GMT, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode?? IIRC it was only one series. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: > > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time > depending on the C situation from; > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 10:24:41 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 15:24:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <1991291416.417083.1585407053864@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> <3A872821-BACD-4350-B5CB-C1EB806CEE42@me.com> <1991291416.417083.1585407053864@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Can't remember that one. I would have thought that they'd need to self isolate for a good few generations to lose immunity. I've just been watching Aerial America on the Smithsonian Channel.? This one was about Hawaii, where the natives all died after Captain Cook visited. B On 28/03/2020 14:50, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Wasn't there an episode where the heroes encountered a community who > had self-isolated? As a result they had no immunity, so when the met > the heroes, they all died. Possibly not an episode you'd want to watch > at present! > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 13:21:26 GMT, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > > For anybody interested In seeing the series again, Survivors is > available on YouTube. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 13:08, Gary Critcher via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' >> series. >> It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I can >> still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone >> getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid >> spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... >> >> >> ?? all the best, >> ? Gary >> On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 11:00:32 GMT, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode?? IIRC it >> was only one series. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> > >> > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) >> > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". >> > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew >> 3 or 16 >> > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? >> > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? >> > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this >> > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? >> > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time >> > depending on the C situation from; >> > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! >> > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could >> spend >> > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ >> > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. >> > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 >> > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Sat Mar 28 11:11:09 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 16:11:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <585863f1a1dave@davesound.co.uk> I remember it well. One of the very first UK dramas shot on location in video, rather than film? The totally empty streets - easy to find today - brought it back to mind. In article <1468629889.392386.1585400880122 at mail.yahoo.com>, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: > ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' > series.It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I > can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone > getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid > spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... -- *i souport publik edekashun. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Sat Mar 28 12:21:45 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:21:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <585863f1a1dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> <585863f1a1dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes, Survivors was shot using the a 2-camera unit out of Kendal Ave - LPU I think. I worked on loads of them, mostly on a remote hill farm in South Wales, or was it Shropshire? It was a long time ago. Ian Leiper & Vic Godrich were regular supervisors. John Cox was a regular too. I've just looked on IMBD: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Three series from '75 to '77 it says. It also gives the filming locations: Callow Hill, Monmouthshire - that was it! I also seem to remember doing one of the last episodes in Scotland. Now I've dug out my old diaries for those years: I've found one I did with Brian Strugnell as SS. I wish now I'd kept better diaries. Most of my entries are just places & times, no useful information like who I was working with, often not even the programme name! Useless! John On 28/03/2020 16:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I remember it well. One of the very first UK dramas shot on location in > video, rather than film? > > The totally empty streets - easy to find today - brought it back to mind. > > > In article <1468629889.392386.1585400880122 at mail.yahoo.com>, > Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >> ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' >> series.It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I >> can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone >> getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid >> spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... > From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 12:55:55 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:55:55 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com><585863f1a1dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: The final episode of the series was based in Scotland, around the Lochay power station and Stirling reservoir. OB 17-22 May 1977. -----Original Message----- From: John Nottage via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 5:21 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED Yes, Survivors was shot using the a 2-camera unit out of Kendal Ave - LPU I think. I worked on loads of them, mostly on a remote hill farm in South Wales, or was it Shropshire? It was a long time ago. Ian Leiper & Vic Godrich were regular supervisors. John Cox was a regular too. I've just looked on IMBD: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072572/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 Three series from '75 to '77 it says. It also gives the filming locations: Callow Hill, Monmouthshire - that was it! I also seem to remember doing one of the last episodes in Scotland. Now I've dug out my old diaries for those years: I've found one I did with Brian Strugnell as SS. I wish now I'd kept better diaries. Most of my entries are just places & times, no useful information like who I was working with, often not even the programme name! Useless! John On 28/03/2020 16:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > I remember it well. One of the very first UK dramas shot on location in > video, rather than film? > > The totally empty streets - easy to find today - brought it back to mind. > > > In article <1468629889.392386.1585400880122 at mail.yahoo.com>, > Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >> ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' >> series.It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I >> can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone >> getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid >> spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Sat Mar 28 13:34:25 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 18:34:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: <1468629889.392386.1585400880122@mail.yahoo.com> <3A872821-BACD-4350-B5CB-C1EB806CEE42@me.com> <1991291416.417083.1585407053864@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <412655651.581542.1585420465134@mail.yahoo.com> But, if I'm remembering correctly, the main characters in 'The Survivors' had all had the disease and survived. They. therefore, had gained immunity. The self-isolating community had never been exposed to it and, therefore, had no immunity. I can't believe ALL the Hawaiians died. There are still plenty of them around. Unlike the Tasmanians who, despite attempts to nurse them through it, became entirely extinct during a flu epidemic. The story of the Tasmanian aboriginals is said to have been one of the inspirations behind a well-known H.G. Wells story, set near where you live, Bernie. luv, Rog. On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 15:25:16 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Can't remember that one. I would have thought that they'd need to self isolate for a good few generations to lose immunity. I've just been watching Aerial America on the Smithsonian Channel.? This one was about Hawaii, where the natives all died after Captain Cook visited. B On 28/03/2020 14:50, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Wasn't there an episode where the heroes encountered a community who had self-isolated? As a result they had no immunity, so when the met the heroes, they all died. Possibly not an episode you'd want to watch at present! luv, Rog. On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 13:21:26 GMT, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: For anybody interested In seeing the series again, Survivors is available on YouTube. Alan Taylor On 28 Mar 2020, at 13:08, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: ? ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' series. It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... ?? all the best, ? Gary On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 11:00:32 GMT, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode?? IIRC it was only one series. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: > > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time > depending on the C situation from; > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Unlike the Tasmanians who, despite attempts to nurse them through it, became entirely extinct during a flu epidemic. The story of the Tasmanian aboriginals is said to have been one of the inspirations behind a well-known H.G. Wells story, set near where you live, Bernie. > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 15:25:16 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > Can't remember that one. I would have thought that they'd need to self isolate for a good few generations to lose immunity. I've just been watching Aerial America on the Smithsonian Channel. This one was about Hawaii, where the natives all died after Captain Cook visited. > > B > > > > On 28/03/2020 14:50, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Wasn't there an episode where the heroes encountered a community who had self-isolated? As a result they had no immunity, so when the met the heroes, they all died. Possibly not an episode you'd want to watch at present! > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 13:21:26 GMT, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > > For anybody interested In seeing the series again, Survivors is available on YouTube. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 13:08, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' series. >> It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... >> >> >> all the best, >> Gary >> On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 11:00:32 GMT, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) >> > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". >> > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 >> > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? >> > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? >> > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this >> > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? >> > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time >> > depending on the C situation from; >> > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! >> > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend >> > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ >> > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. >> > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 >> > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Mar 28 14:14:18 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 19:14:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord from Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the whole troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are still together with two children. Pat (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it Legs & Co?) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 28 March 2020 13:44 To: Graeme Wall; Brian White Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear missile" in the final episode of the first season. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homebrianlesley at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 15:01:47 2020 From: homebrianlesley at gmail.com (Brian White) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 20:01:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED Message-ID: Hi All - Try to catch/record the Ballet tomorrow (Sunday) Moulin Rouge - very impressive! 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Mike G From peterjohncombes at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 17:31:10 2020 From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:31:10 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> References: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Was there not an Arthur C. Clarke story in which a creature on another planet was fatally infected by debris left behind by Earth spacemen? Peter Combes Crew 3 Emeritus On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 20:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord from > Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! > > However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the whole > troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. > > His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are still > together with two children. > > Pat > > (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it Legs > & Co?) > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *David Brunt via Tech1 > *Sent: *28 March 2020 13:44 > *To: *Graeme Wall ; Brian White > > *Cc: *Tech ops > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED > > > > Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear missile" > in > > the final episode of the first season. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 28 Mar 2020, at 19:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord from Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! > However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the whole troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. > His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are still together with two children. > Pat > (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it Legs & Co?) > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: David Brunt via Tech1 > Sent: 28 March 2020 13:44 > To: Graeme Wall; Brian White > Cc: Tech ops > Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED > > Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear missile" in > the final episode of the first season. > > > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Where?s Gavin when you need him? Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 28 March 2020 11:15 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED I worked on the first series. Somewhere here I have the first episode "The Plastic Eaters" on VHS. John Paul and Simon Oates were tall, and we were always having to get the chippies to put corner pieces on the set overnight to prevent shoot-offs. The most eventful episode was the one with the cockroaches. They were completely forbidden in studios, but they got some kind of a dispensation. At the end of recording Rentokil arrived with a large fish tank with a bowl of fruit in the middle. They released a pile of cockroaches onto the fruit and we took shots of them. Once the director was happy, Rentokil sprayed them with insecticide from large sprayers. Unfortunately the sprayers were rather powerful and blew the cockroaches out of the tank. We all rushed around stamping on them. Most memorable for me though, was that I was always inheriting Alec Wheale's shots because somehow I was better placed. B On 28/03/2020 11:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. ? Graeme Wall On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this triggered a meteoric rise very soon? Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time depending on the C situation from; A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! 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Cheers, Dave On 28/03/2020 22:31, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: > Pan?s People were indeed booked for the Annual Staff Dance at > Hammersmith Town Hall. > Barry. > > > > On 28 Mar 2020, at 19:14, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > >> The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord >> from Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! >> However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the >> whole troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. >> His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are >> still together with two children. >> Pat >> (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it >> Legs & Co?) >> Sent fromMail for >> Windows 10 >> *From:*David Brunt via Tech1 >> *Sent:*28 March 2020 13:44 >> *To:*Graeme Wall ;Brian White >> >> *Cc:*Tech ops >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED >> Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear >> missile" in >> the final episode of the first season. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Mar 28 17:57:02 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:57:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e7fd63d.1c69fb81.c02fc.508c@mx.google.com> Thanks, Barry, Your reply proves that my brain does not suffer from magnesia or Dr. Alzheimer?s wonderful degenerative condition. I have a query to pose ? see another posting regarding a sci-fi story. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner Sent: 28 March 2020 22:31 To: patheigham Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED Pan?s People were indeed booked for the Annual Staff Dance at Hammersmith Town Hall. Barry. On 28 Mar 2020, at 19:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it Legs & Co?) ? Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10 ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Mar 28 18:00:37 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:00:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Robert Powell In-Reply-To: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> References: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> Message-ID: During the four years OB's serviced 'TFI Friday' for Channel 4 from Riverside studios we lunched in the 'Blue Anchor' pub along the river bank. Robert Powell was a frequent visitor there, together with others, so he must have been rehearsing nearby. The 'Blue Anchor' was also featured in the movie 'Sliding Doors'. Unfortunately, the landlord died and his wife was left to run the pub. She was a 'big band' singer and travelled the country doing Glenn Miller stuff etc. Dickie Chamberlain also had the hots for Babs and we had a crew whip-round for him to ask her out to dinner! Unfortunately, she didn't accept his offer! Cheers, Dave On 28/03/2020 19:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord from > Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! > > However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the whole > troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. > > His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are > still together with two children. > > Pat > > (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it > Legs & Co?) > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *David Brunt via Tech1 > *Sent: *28 March 2020 13:44 > *To: *Graeme Wall ; Brian White > > *Cc: *Tech ops > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED > > Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear > missile" in > > the final episode of the first season. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Mar 28 18:00:10 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:00:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6003F40B-C893-40BF-B594-F168DC325F98@btinternet.com> Sorry, not the Town Hall but Hammersmith Palais. Tony Millier used to organise it and later I took over the job from him along with Mike Roberts. (Pictured below with one of the Bunny Girls) I managed to get the Bunny Club to provide 4 Bunnies to mingle with the crowd and force money out of them. Shame I had to pick them up in my car from the ?Warren? in Park Lane though. The perfume was intoxicating! Barry. On 28 Mar 2020, at 22:37, Graeme Wall wrote: > On Venus > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 22:32, Barry Bonner via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Pan?s People were indeed booked for the Annual Staff Dance at Hammersmith Town Hall. >> Barry. >> >> >> >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 19:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord from Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! >>> However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the whole troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. >>> His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are still together with two children. >>> Pat >>> (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it Legs & Co?) >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: David Brunt via Tech1 >>> Sent: 28 March 2020 13:44 >>> To: Graeme Wall; Brian White >>> Cc: Tech ops >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED >>> >>> Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear missile" in >>> the final episode of the first season. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably written by one of the well-known writers of the genre, (Bradbury, Asimov, Pohlman, Clarke?). Synopsis: A group of people walk into the sea ? they subsequently emerge, but on a different planet. They realise that they have to stick together and start to explore. They find a cave in which there is a wall design. They have retained their previous knowledge and skills, such that it?s recognised as being a circuit for a radio transmitter. They decide that it must be built and pooling their remembered skills, this means mining for chemicals and materials to forge components from scratch ? making glass valves etc. All proceeds well ? this is their goal, the Holy Grail, if you like, until some clown amongst them invents ?money?. Then it all falls apart! Basically, a satirical rant on ?money is root of all evil? etc. If anyone has read it, and remembers the author, please let me know. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Mar 28 18:26:51 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:26:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Robert Powell In-Reply-To: References: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5e7fdd3a.1c69fb81.4d92c.641d@mx.google.com> Dickie, being an gen chap, would have course returned the donations! Anyone else remember a directive that crew were not permitted to fraternise with artistes? Think it may have been in writing! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 28 March 2020 23:00 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Robert Powell During the four years OB's serviced 'TFI Friday' for Channel 4 from Riverside studios we lunched in the 'Blue Anchor' pub along the river bank. Robert Powell was a frequent visitor there, together with others, so he must have been rehearsing nearby. The 'Blue Anchor' was also featured in the movie 'Sliding Doors'. Unfortunately, the landlord died and his wife was left to run the pub. She was a 'big band' singer and travelled the country doing Glenn Miller stuff etc. Dickie Chamberlain also had the hots for Babs and we had a crew whip-round for him to ask her out to dinner! Unfortunately, she didn't accept his offer! Cheers, Dave On 28/03/2020 19:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord from Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the whole troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are still together with two children. Pat (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it Legs & Co?) ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 28 March 2020 13:44 To: Graeme Wall; Brian White Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED ? Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear missile" in the final episode of the first season. ? ? ? ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Mar 28 18:40:16 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:40:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Studio etiquette In-Reply-To: <5e7fdd3a.1c69fb81.4d92c.641d@mx.google.com> References: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> <5e7fdd3a.1c69fb81.4d92c.641d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9a15c78f-786d-dddb-1e5b-866d4a9826a9@btinternet.com> .. and also not asking for autographs and no pictures either! So how did a cameraperson manage to marry 'Iris' from 'Compact'? There are lots of photos on this website of studio activities and even films! What a disobedient lot we were! Cheers, Dave. P.S. When I think of the autographs I could have got........and the price that fans would pay for them!!!! ?On 28/03/2020 23:26, patheigham wrote: > > Dickie, being an gen chap, would have course returned the donations! > > Anyone else remember a directive that crew were not permitted to > fraternise with artistes? Think it may have been in writing! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *dave.mdv > *Sent: *28 March 2020 23:00 > *To: *patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Robert Powell > > During the four years OB's serviced 'TFI Friday' for Channel 4 from > Riverside studios we lunched in the 'Blue Anchor' pub along the river > bank. Robert Powell was a frequent visitor there, together with > others, so he must have been rehearsing nearby. The 'Blue Anchor' was > also featured in the movie 'Sliding Doors'. Unfortunately, the > landlord died and his wife was left to run the pub. She was a 'big > band' singer and travelled the country doing Glenn Miller stuff etc. > Dickie Chamberlain also had the hots for Babs and we had a crew > whip-round for him to ask her out to dinner! Unfortunately, she didn't > accept his offer! Cheers, Dave > > On 28/03/2020 19:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord > from Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! > > However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the > whole troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. > > His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are > still together with two children. > > Pat > > (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was > it Legs & Co?) > > Sent from Mail > for Windows 10 > > *From: *David Brunt via Tech1 > *Sent: *28 March 2020 13:44 > *To: *Graeme Wall ; Brian White > > *Cc: *Tech ops > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED > > Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear > missile" in > > the final episode of the first season. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike Bentine was the cabaret, and I was delighted that his act was exactly his warm-up routine for Square World (including the Gool-iE joke!). Oh, there was also a disco in the library and a Champagne & Oyster Bar in the dining hall, with a steel band. Later, I was working in Tunisia, on the edge of the Sahara, and Cliff arrived on our set, taking a trip from his travel programme, to visit us on The Little Prince, directed by Stanley Donen. Cliff recognised me from booming on Tonight, which was nice, but didn?t know I was an old boy from his son?s school = good memories all round. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner Sent: 28 March 2020 23:00 To: Graeme Wall Cc: patheigham; Dave Mundy; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED Sorry,?not the Town Hall but Hammersmith Palais. Tony Millier used to organise it and later I took over the job from him along with Mike Roberts. (Pictured below with one of the Bunny Girls) I managed to get the Bunny Club to provide 4 Bunnies to mingle with the crowd and force money out of them.? Shame I had to pick them up in my car from the ?Warren? in Park Lane though. The perfume was intoxicating! Barry. ?Pan?s People were indeed booked for the Annual Staff Dance at Hammersmith Town Hall. Barry. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Mar 28 19:06:09 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 00:06:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Studio etiquette In-Reply-To: <9a15c78f-786d-dddb-1e5b-866d4a9826a9@btinternet.com> References: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com> <5e7fdd3a.1c69fb81.4d92c.641d@mx.google.com> <9a15c78f-786d-dddb-1e5b-866d4a9826a9@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e7fe670.1c69fb81.aa738.784d@mx.google.com> I got away with making an 8mm film of the B & W Minstrels ? see attachment for explanation and history. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 28 March 2020 23:39 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Studio etiquette .. and also not asking for autographs and no pictures either! What a disobedient lot we were! Cheers, Dave. P.S. When I think of the autographs I could have got........and the price that fans would pay for them!!!! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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There are still Carib communities in the Caribbean, but they are gradually being displaced by the Afro-Caribbean population. There are still Arawak and Carib related peoples in mainland South America. luv, Rog. On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 19:07:11 GMT, Graeme Wall wrote: The other community to be wiped out by European diseases were the Caribs. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Mar 2020, at 18:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > But, if I'm remembering correctly, the main characters in 'The Survivors' had all had the disease and survived. They. therefore, had gained immunity. The self-isolating community had never been exposed to it and, therefore, had no immunity. > > I can't believe ALL the Hawaiians died. There are still plenty of them around. Unlike the Tasmanians who, despite attempts to nurse them through it, became entirely extinct during a flu epidemic. The story of the Tasmanian aboriginals is said to have been one of the inspirations behind a well-known H.G. Wells story, set near where you live, Bernie. > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 15:25:16 GMT, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > > Can't remember that one. I would have thought that they'd need to self isolate for a good few generations to lose immunity. I've just been watching Aerial America on the Smithsonian Channel.? This one was about Hawaii, where the natives all died after Captain Cook visited. > > B > > > > On 28/03/2020 14:50, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Wasn't there an episode where the heroes encountered a community who had self-isolated? As a result they had no immunity, so when the met the heroes, they all died. Possibly not an episode you'd want to watch at present! > > luv, Rog. > > On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 13:21:26 GMT, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > > For anybody interested In seeing the series again, Survivors is available on YouTube. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 13:08, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> ...in these times, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the 'Survivors' series. >> It really took my imagination when it was produced (72-73?), I can still remember vividly the opening title sequence with someone getting off a plane then collapsing on the floor and a vile of liquid spills out of his bag and breaks and let's loose a deadly virus.... >> >> >>? ? all the best, >>? Gary >> On Saturday, 28 March 2020, 11:00:32 GMT, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode?? IIRC it was only one series. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> > On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: >> > >> > Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) >> > reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". >> > Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 >> > as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? >> > Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? >> > Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this >> > triggered a meteoric rise very soon? >> > Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time >> > depending on the C situation from; >> > A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! >> > Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend >> > some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ >> > 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. >> > SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 >> > Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. >> > -- >> > Tech1 mailing list >> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Peter CombesCrew 3 Emeritus On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 20:14, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: The mention of Robert Powell reminds me that he fancied Babs Lord from Pan?s People ? he wasn?t the only one! However he couldn?t work out how to approach her, so invited the whole troupe to dinner, making sure that he was seated next to Babs. His chat-up line certainly worked as they married in 1975, and are still together with two children. Pat (Didn?t a Tech-Ops party at Hammersmith book Pan?s People, or was it Legs & Co?) ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 28 March 2020 13:44 To: Graeme Wall; Brian White Cc: Tech ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED ? Robert Powell's character was killed trying to defuse a "nuclear missile" in the final episode of the first season. ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Sun Mar 29 04:24:21 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:24:21 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Studio etiquette In-Reply-To: <5e7fe670.1c69fb81.aa738.784d@mx.google.com> References: <5e7fa209.1c69fb81.d0b59.f987@mx.google.com><5e7fdd3a.1c69fb81.4d92c.641d@mx.google.com><9a15c78f-786d-dddb-1e5b-866d4a9826a9@btinternet.com> <5e7fe670.1c69fb81.aa738.784d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <29EFCC55979349B39A34159237D186AA@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Great stuff Pat ? how much are you charging for copies?!! Dave Newbitt. From: patheigham via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:06 AM To: dave.mdv ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Studio etiquette I got away with making an 8mm film of the B & W Minstrels ? see attachment for explanation and history. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 28 March 2020 23:39 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Studio etiquette .. and also not asking for autographs and no pictures either! What a disobedient lot we were! Cheers, Dave. P.S. When I think of the autographs I could have got........and the price that fans would pay for them!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Mar 29 04:42:32 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 09:42:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: If it?s not too far down your fascinating to bored-to-tears scale, it can be quite fun to watch aircraft activity on Flight Radar 24. About five miles south of here we can see aircraft on the approach path into Gatwick (or departures depending on wind direction). Gatwick is very quiet at the moment, which is great for us - the dawn chorus sounds so much better without them. Heathrow still seems to be fairly busy (which is great for the economy of course, so that?s OK). Any minute now I?m sure we can expect to see the Government congratulating themselves on how we?ve met the Country?s carbon emissions targets five years early! But then, isn?t that what this pandemic is all about: God, or Nature (whichever you choose to believe in) fighting back? Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 28 Mar 2020, at 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Today, I saw an aeroplane IN THE SKY! Wow, not the first swallow (that came later! - red ,of course!) but a real airliner! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Mar 29 04:53:19 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:53:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e80700e.1c69fb81.eff88.c7b9@mx.google.com> Isn?t it said that History repeats itself? If so, the plague of locusts might have been preferable! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 29 March 2020 10:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazing! But then, isn?t that what this pandemic is all about: God, or Nature (whichever you choose to believe in) fighting back? Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Sun Mar 29 05:26:22 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:26:22 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <59F8EEFD03EE4AEBB457BF3F21F27C49@Gigabyte> Sorry about the source but look at this showing flights over recent times https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/nats-air-traffic-flight-numbers-aviation-grounded-uk-coronavirus-a4399956.html Mike -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:42 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazing! If it?s not too far down your fascinating to bored-to-tears scale, it can be quite fun to watch aircraft activity on Flight Radar 24. About five miles south of here we can see aircraft on the approach path into Gatwick (or departures depending on wind direction). Gatwick is very quiet at the moment, which is great for us - the dawn chorus sounds so much better without them. Heathrow still seems to be fairly busy (which is great for the economy of course, so that?s OK). Any minute now I?m sure we can expect to see the Government congratulating themselves on how we?ve met the Country?s carbon emissions targets five years early! But then, isn?t that what this pandemic is all about: God, or Nature (whichever you choose to believe in) fighting back? Cheers, Nick. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Mar 29 05:31:49 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:31:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <59F8EEFD03EE4AEBB457BF3F21F27C49@Gigabyte> References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> <59F8EEFD03EE4AEBB457BF3F21F27C49@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B@icloud.com> I?m below the circuit for Farnborough, normally there is a stream of executive jets in the late afternoon coming from various parrts of Europe. Haven?t seen a single one in well over a week. The only overflights I?ve had is a couple of military helos heading for Odiham. ? Graeme Wall > On 29 Mar 2020, at 11:26, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > Sorry about the source but look at this showing flights over recent times > > https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/nats-air-traffic-flight-numbers-aviation-grounded-uk-coronavirus-a4399956.html > > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:42 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazing! > > If it?s not too far down your fascinating to bored-to-tears scale, it can be quite fun to watch aircraft activity on Flight Radar 24. About five miles south of here we can see aircraft on the approach path into Gatwick (or departures depending on wind direction). > Gatwick is very quiet at the moment, which is great for us - the dawn chorus sounds so much better without them. Heathrow still seems to be fairly busy (which is great for the economy of course, so that?s OK). > Any minute now I?m sure we can expect to see the Government congratulating themselves on how we?ve met the Country?s carbon emissions targets five years early! > But then, isn?t that what this pandemic is all about: God, or Nature (whichever you choose to believe in) fighting back? > Cheers, > Nick. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sun Mar 29 05:51:52 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 11:51:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> Message-ID: We live under the mains trans Atlantic flight path. The high jet stream seemed to displace traffic North this year , now Cor 19 has truncated it. Military traffic is not on flight radar obviously. 10 days ago there was much activity at Brize and Fairford, the stealths could be heard rumbling about but not seen due to low cloud. Choppers are much reduced but there is plenty of freight transatlantic. Flight Radar 24 is fascinating, but not the whole picture. > On 29 Mar 2020, at 10:42, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > If it?s not too far down your fascinating to bored-to-tears scale, it can be quite fun to watch aircraft activity on Flight Radar 24. About five miles south of here we can see aircraft on the approach path into Gatwick (or departures depending on wind direction). > Gatwick is very quiet at the moment, which is great for us - the dawn chorus sounds so much better without them. Heathrow still seems to be fairly busy (which is great for the economy of course, so that?s OK). > Any minute now I?m sure we can expect to see the Government congratulating themselves on how we?ve met the Country?s carbon emissions targets five years early! > But then, isn?t that what this pandemic is all about: God, or Nature (whichever you choose to believe in) fighting back? > Cheers, > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 23:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Today, I saw an aeroplane IN THE SKY! Wow, not the first swallow (that came later! - red ,of course!) but a real airliner! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave at davesound.co.uk Sun Mar 29 06:44:52 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:44:52 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B@icloud.com> References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> <59F8EEFD03EE4AEBB457BF3F21F27C49@Gigabyte> <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5858cf65b3dave@davesound.co.uk> Round here, it's helicopters with the heliport being only about 1.5 miles away. And they are much noisier than aircraft which pass overhead. Not that I've seen many of them either. Even the police helicopter seems noticeable by its absence. Years ago, I used to look forward to seeing Concord pass over at about 2130. In article <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B at icloud.com>, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I?m below the circuit for Farnborough, normally there is a stream of > executive jets in the late afternoon coming from various parrts of > Europe. Haven?t seen a single one in well over a week. The only > overflights I?ve had is a couple of military helos heading for Odiham. -- *I pretend to work. - they pretend to pay me. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sun Mar 29 07:49:36 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 13:49:36 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <5858cf65b3dave@davesound.co.uk> References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> <59F8EEFD03EE4AEBB457BF3F21F27C49@Gigabyte> <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B@icloud.com> <5858cf65b3dave@davesound.co.uk> Message-ID: <3b961f02-aeca-f523-7e90-cc96ec46c057@chriswoolf.co.uk> I imagine the police helicopters are having the same restrictions as the regional air ambulances. These are theoretically on call but not allowed to fly because the crew cannot practice social distancing inside an EH145 :} Chris Woolf On 29/03/2020 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Round here, it's helicopters with the heliport being only about 1.5 miles > away. And they are much noisier than aircraft which pass overhead. Not > that I've seen many of them either. Even the police helicopter seems > noticeable by its absence. > > Years ago, I used to look forward to seeing Concord pass over at about > 2130. > > > In article <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B at icloud.com>, > Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m below the circuit for Farnborough, normally there is a stream of >> executive jets in the late afternoon coming from various parrts of >> Europe. Haven?t seen a single one in well over a week. The only >> overflights I?ve had is a couple of military helos heading for Odiham. From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sun Mar 29 09:36:54 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 15:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing! In-Reply-To: <3b961f02-aeca-f523-7e90-cc96ec46c057@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <6719ab13-d975-f0ba-6268-47bceed125e7@btinternet.com> <59F8EEFD03EE4AEBB457BF3F21F27C49@Gigabyte> <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B@icloud.com> <5858cf65b3dave@davesound.co.uk> <3b961f02-aeca-f523-7e90-cc96ec46c057@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <00ec01d605d7$7e182f30$7a488d90$@gmail.com> I've noticed the absence of civil aircraft crossing the skies over where I like in Bucks. There's usually plenty of helicopters too which I used to assume were heading for Chequers which isn't far from here but I'm told by a pilot of a light aircraft who lives at Dunsmore nearby that that isn't the case as the political VIP's travel there by car. All I've seen lately were a couple of jets leaving vapour trails at high altitude heading west, who knows where. Geoff Hawkes -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 29 March 2020 13:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Amazing! I imagine the police helicopters are having the same restrictions as the regional air ambulances. These are theoretically on call but not allowed to fly because the crew cannot practice social distancing inside an EH145 :} Chris Woolf On 29/03/2020 12:44, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Round here, it's helicopters with the heliport being only about 1.5 > miles away. And they are much noisier than aircraft which pass > overhead. Not that I've seen many of them either. Even the police > helicopter seems noticeable by its absence. > > Years ago, I used to look forward to seeing Concord pass over at about > 2130. > > > In article <82951DAF-A966-4E16-9B1C-52A98642A45B at icloud.com>, > Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m below the circuit for Farnborough, normally there is a stream of >> executive jets in the late afternoon coming from various parrts of >> Europe. Haven?t seen a single one in well over a week. The only >> overflights I?ve had is a couple of military helos heading for Odiham. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Mar 29 16:32:47 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 22:32:47 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Amazing #2 Message-ID: <5b0f2783-a801-f696-1790-3d9c2b8fb82f@btinternet.com> I had forgotten how wide my road was due to all the Chelsea tractors being parked on the pavement all day, but now I can see the kerbs! Doreen invited me outside to listen to the silence, which normally only happens at about 0400 for a few seconds, now it lasts for ages , even in daylight! If only the pandemic wasn't so dangerous....! Cheers, Dave From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 05:44:54 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 11:44:54 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] How to deal with a crisis Message-ID: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: How to deal with a crisis.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 355420 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Mar 30 06:05:01 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 12:05:01 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] How to deal with a crisis In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e81d25d.1c69fb81.ccf24.e698@mx.google.com> Perfect! What prescience! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2020 11:45 To: tech1 Subject: [Tech1] How to deal with a crisis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Mon Mar 30 08:16:08 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 13:16:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] How to deal with a crisis In-Reply-To: <5e81d25d.1c69fb81.ccf24.e698@mx.google.com> References: <5e81d25d.1c69fb81.ccf24.e698@mx.google.com> Message-ID: And further advice if you want to retain your (in)sanity: >>>>>>>> Heard a Dr. on TV saying in this time of Coronavirus, staying at home we should focus on inner peace. To achieve this we should always finish things we start and we all could use more calm in our lives. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I looked through my house to find things I'd started and hadn't finished, so I finished off a bottle of Merlot, a bottle of Chardonnay, a bodle of Baileys, a butle of wum, tha mainder of Valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who need inner peas. An telum u luvum. And two hash yer wands, stafe day avrybooby TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Mon Mar 30 11:26:58 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 16:26:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do Message-ID: ? (Delete if you're not interested!) I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give anything to know what became of them. So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, because you could buy them. So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering solder! The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate! Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe organ that I could never part with. If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make something!? Cheers, Nick. [cid:AFBAE3FA-2CE7-42C0-BBEA-1B9B741E2CE3][cid:05BC1A48-9400-4E3C-BC54-266A467C3FE2][cid:A0C23B5A-69D2-4C69-BC4B-B081E3984E40] Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 578538 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 711174 bytes Desc: image1.jpeg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 724340 bytes Desc: image2.jpeg URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Mar 30 11:49:20 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 17:49:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you (silly question) have a recording of it? Looks beautiful. Unfortunately my wood-working skills are virtually non-existant, I?d never hope to do something like that. I?m currently trying to build a simple model railway, from bits i?ve had stored for the last 40 years, for my grand-daughter. That?s proving difficult enough. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Mar 2020, at 17:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > (Delete if you're not interested!) > I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give anything to know what became of them. > So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, because you could buy them. > So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. > > Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. > About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. > Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering solder! > The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate! > Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. > Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. > Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! > Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe organ that I could never part with. > If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! > > And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make something!? > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Mar 30 12:08:32 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:08:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <792e238c-78e3-fbb2-c703-da70419d03ab@gmail.com> That looks amazing! Now that you've completed it, could you restore my player piano? B On 30/03/2020 17:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ? > (Delete if you're not interested!) > I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without > wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I > would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories > of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather > than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give > anything to know what became of them. > So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I > have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was > almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I > had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the > time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape > recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then > along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and > after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t > really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, > because you could buy them. > So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. > > Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as > a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating > from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. > About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of > these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly > realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and > that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them > together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for > home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, > only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, > it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around > ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. > Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years > previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and > bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored > in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is > precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned > beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic > hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made > were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as > they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering > solder! > The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that > assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot > of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started > by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and > other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and > whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a > month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, > and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be > adequate! > Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took > shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have > to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or > they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid > is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all > having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to > outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual > keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with > boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. > Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let > air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight > components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top > reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a > professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I > would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even > airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. > Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, > glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of > patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. > My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s > only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! > Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months > because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe > organ that I could never part with. > If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with > hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I > always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! > > And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be > a couch potato - be creative, make something!? > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 578538 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Mon Mar 30 12:52:17 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 18:52:17 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What an achievement Nick ? you should feel really proud. Not just for the achievement but for the character to tackle it in the first place. Well done! Dave Newbitt. From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 5:26 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do ? (Delete if you're not interested!) I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give anything to know what became of them. So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, because you could buy them. So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering solder! The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate! Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe organ that I could never part with. If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make something!? Cheers, Nick. 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URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 30 16:44:34 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:44:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: <792e238c-78e3-fbb2-c703-da70419d03ab@gmail.com> References: <792e238c-78e3-fbb2-c703-da70419d03ab@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6A5C7F2B-68BA-4532-9917-430FA5747423@mac.com> Far from looking for jobs, I?m finding that time is short even to keep the gardening up to scratch! What with regular FaceTime calls from daughter and her children, plus texts from our son and his daughter, then WhatsApp from the badminton group, phone calls to and from a few friends (haven?t had time to ring several that I ought to have contacted), then the now compulsory daily walk, plus a visit to the chemist for prescriptions (twice in fact because they missed things first time) a trip to the local farm shop, because we can?t get supermarket deliveries yet ~ where does the time go? Then I have to get my wife up to speed on the technology so that she can join in with apps that she has studiously avoided in the past and as a school governor, with all our meetings cancelled, keeping abreast of things and contributing to decision making by e-mail is taking longer than the meetings that the e-mails replace! So I?m looking forward to the end of the emergency as an opportunity for a rest! Mike G > On 30 Mar 2020, at 18:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > That looks amazing! > > Now that you've completed it, could you restore my player piano? > > B > > > > On 30/03/2020 17:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> ? >> (Delete if you're not interested!) >> I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give anything to know what became of them. >> So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, because you could buy them. >> So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. >> >> Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. >> About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. >> Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering solder! >> The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate! >> Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. >> Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. >> Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! >> Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe organ that I could never part with. >> If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! >> >> And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make something!? >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johna.bennett at talktalk.net Mon Mar 30 16:45:57 2020 From: johna.bennett at talktalk.net (John Bennett) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:45:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There were 3 seasons of Doomwatch Graeme, 1970, 71 and 72. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065290/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 Cheers?? John On 28/03/2020 11:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) >> reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". >> Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 >> as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? >> Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? >> Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this >> triggered a meteoric rise very soon? >> Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time >> depending on the C situation from; >> A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! >> Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend >> some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ >> 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. >> SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 >> Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- John Bennett 07768 527518 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Mar 30 17:18:39 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2020 23:18:39 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: <6A5C7F2B-68BA-4532-9917-430FA5747423@mac.com> References: <6A5C7F2B-68BA-4532-9917-430FA5747423@mac.com> Message-ID: <4072774D-9FEA-4710-B1AE-F4398F016885@mac.com> Oh - I forgot to include the fact that the advancing years seem to require an increasing proportion of the day to be spent in the loo! Mike G > On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:45, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Far from looking for jobs, I?m finding that time is short even to keep the gardening up to scratch! What with regular FaceTime calls from daughter and her children, plus texts from our son and his daughter, then WhatsApp from the badminton group, phone calls to and from a few friends (haven?t had time to ring several that I ought to have contacted), then the now compulsory daily walk, plus a visit to the chemist for prescriptions (twice in fact because they missed things first time) a trip to the local farm shop, because we can?t get supermarket deliveries yet ~ where does the time go? Then I have to get my wife up to speed on the technology so that she can join in with apps that she has studiously avoided in the past and as a school governor, with all our meetings cancelled, keeping abreast of things and contributing to decision making by e-mail is taking longer than the meetings that the e-mails replace! > > So I?m looking forward to the end of the emergency as an opportunity for a rest! > > Mike G > > > >> On 30 Mar 2020, at 18:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> That looks amazing! >> >> Now that you've completed it, could you restore my player piano? >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 30/03/2020 17:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> ? >>> (Delete if you're not interested!) >>> I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give anything to know what became of them. >>> So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, because you could buy them. >>> So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. >>> >>> Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. >>> About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. >>> Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering solder! >>> The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate! >>> Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. >>> Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. >>> Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! >>> Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe organ that I could never part with. >>> If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! >>> >>> And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make something!? >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Mon Mar 30 18:12:43 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:12:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: <4072774D-9FEA-4710-B1AE-F4398F016885@mac.com> References: <6A5C7F2B-68BA-4532-9917-430FA5747423@mac.com> <4072774D-9FEA-4710-B1AE-F4398F016885@mac.com> Message-ID: <9623D488-0415-4B48-9685-9655A8E90907@btinternet.com> Ah! I wondered where all the loo paper was going! Barry. On 30 Mar 2020, at 23:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Oh - I forgot to include the fact that the advancing years seem to require an increasing proportion of the day to be spent in the loo! > > Mike G > >> On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:45, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Far from looking for jobs, I?m finding that time is short even to keep the gardening up to scratch! What with regular FaceTime calls from daughter and her children, plus texts from our son and his daughter, then WhatsApp from the badminton group, phone calls to and from a few friends (haven?t had time to ring several that I ought to have contacted), then the now compulsory daily walk, plus a visit to the chemist for prescriptions (twice in fact because they missed things first time) a trip to the local farm shop, because we can?t get supermarket deliveries yet ~ where does the time go? Then I have to get my wife up to speed on the technology so that she can join in with apps that she has studiously avoided in the past and as a school governor, with all our meetings cancelled, keeping abreast of things and contributing to decision making by e-mail is taking longer than the meetings that the e-mails replace! >> >> So I?m looking forward to the end of the emergency as an opportunity for a rest! >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >>> On 30 Mar 2020, at 18:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> That looks amazing! >>> >>> Now that you've completed it, could you restore my player piano? >>> >>> B >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30/03/2020 17:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>>> ? >>>> (Delete if you're not interested!) >>>> I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give anything to know what became of them. >>>> So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, because you could buy them. >>>> So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. >>>> >>>> Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. >>>> About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. >>>> Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering solder! >>>> The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate! >>>> Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. >>>> Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. >>>> Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! >>>> Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe organ that I could never part with. >>>> If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! >>>> >>>> And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make something!? >>>> Cheers, >>>> Nick. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Mar 31 01:55:09 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 07:55:09 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5478760C-96F6-4ADA-A2B6-50E19640B5E6@icloud.com> Cheers John, it was the nuke at the end of series 1 that stuck in my mind. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:45, John Bennett via Tech1 wrote: > > There were 3 seasons of Doomwatch Graeme, 1970, 71 and 72. > > https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065290/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 > > Cheers John > > > > On 28/03/2020 11:00, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> Didn?t Doomwatch end up nuking the cast in the last episode? IIRC it was only one series. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >>> On 28 Mar 2020, at 10:54, Brian White via Tech1 >>> wrote: >>> >>> Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) >>> reminded me of the aptly named series "DOOMWATCH". >>> Must be the 70s at least (where did I put the Diaries?) Maybe crew 3 or 16 >>> as I actually went to an outside rehearsal for episode 1? >>> Vaguely recall some Studio days - not many perhaps it folded? >>> Only other fact is that Robert Powell ? had a small part but that this >>> triggered a meteoric rise very soon? >>> Perhaps later we should converse about more of our efforts over time >>> depending on the C situation from; >>> A - ADAM ADAMANT to Z - ZODIAC! >>> Thinking of the latter & Margaret Dale if you or your family could spend >>> some time at the Ballet catch repeat tomorrow Sunday 29th March @ >>> 10.00 am (careful of BST) on the SKY ARTS CHANNEL. >>> SKY 122 VIRGIN 123 HD156 BT 348 HD363 >>> Hang in there, all good wishes Brian White. >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -- > John Bennett > 07768 527518 > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 31 03:29:37 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:29:37 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e82ff70.1c69fb81.f6028.f353@mx.google.com> I recall being highly impressed in the 60?s, when Nick built a beautiful copy of a C12 microphone, as well as a vidicon TV camera. Brilliant stuff! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 30 March 2020 18:52 To: Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do What an achievement Nick ? you should feel really proud. Not just for the achievement but for the character to tackle it in the first place. Well done! ? Dave Newbitt. ? From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 5:26 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do ? ? I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 31 03:33:27 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:33:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: <9623D488-0415-4B48-9685-9655A8E90907@btinternet.com> References: <6A5C7F2B-68BA-4532-9917-430FA5747423@mac.com> <4072774D-9FEA-4710-B1AE-F4398F016885@mac.com> <9623D488-0415-4B48-9685-9655A8E90907@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5e830056.1c69fb81.47593.7fd9@mx.google.com> There was an amusing letter reprinted in The Week, suggesting that the Guardian should be printed in long thin strips! So after reading it in the loo.........! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 00:13 To: Mike Giles Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do Ah! I wondered where all the loo paper was going! Barry. On 30 Mar 2020, at 23:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: Oh - I forgot to include the fact that the advancing years seem to require an increasing proportion of the day to be spent in the loo! Mike G On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:45, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: ?Far from looking for jobs, I?m finding that time is short even to keep the gardening up to scratch! What with regular FaceTime calls from daughter and her children, plus texts from our son and his daughter, then WhatsApp from the badminton group, phone calls to and from a few friends (haven?t had time to ring several that I ought to have contacted), then the now compulsory daily walk, plus a visit to the chemist for prescriptions (twice in fact because they missed things first time) a trip to the local farm shop, because we can?t get supermarket deliveries yet ~ where does the time go? Then I have to get my wife up to speed on the technology so that she can join in with apps that she has studiously avoided in the past and as a school governor, with all our meetings cancelled, keeping abreast of things and contributing to decision making by e-mail is taking longer than the meetings that the e-mails replace!? So I?m looking forward to the end of the emergency as an opportunity for a rest! Mike G On 30 Mar 2020, at 18:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: That looks amazing! Now that you've completed it, could you restore my player piano?? B On 30/03/2020 17:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? (Delete if you're not interested!) I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to include watching old TV programmes in that. My memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked on. There are people, I would give anything to know what became of them. So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at the moment, I have always had an obsession with making things. In the past, it was almost exclusively electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I had a need for - things that weren?t available on the market at the time. That included a whole succession of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along came commercial products utilising surface mount technology, and after that, home drawn and etched printed circuit boards weren?t really an option anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, because you could buy them.? So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an instrument that I know and have recorded. About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a small number of these little instruments for early music continuo use, but quickly realised that several thousand high precision parts were needed, and that making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of putting them together. So he built one, and offered the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat chance of that though, because as far as we know, only one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or ?5,000 in kit form. Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally used. The only parts supplied ready made were the front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, making them is soldering solder! The rest was down to me. It came with very basic instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of home-made special tools. I spent about a month mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate!? Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and grid is actually a number of layers of carefully drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the naturals, and Ebony for the sharps.? Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of a professional (actually, a retired very senior neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the soundboard and no leaks. Even the casework panels and the table itself had to be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. After several months of patience, and sometimes frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some apprentice that would have to be! Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a few months because we moved house, and I already had (still have) another pipe organ that I could never part with. If only I had another kit to build now I would do even better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find something else to make, I always do. All I need to do now is learn to play it better! And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make something!? Cheers, Nick. 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Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Brian White via Tech1 Sent: 28 March 2020 10:55 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] RECOLLECTIONS REQUIRED Musing on these very mature programmes (Paul Temple, The Goons etc.) -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 04:12:13 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:12:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: <5e830056.1c69fb81.47593.7fd9@mx.google.com> References: <6A5C7F2B-68BA-4532-9917-430FA5747423@mac.com> <4072774D-9FEA-4710-B1AE-F4398F016885@mac.com> <9623D488-0415-4B48-9685-9655A8E90907@btinternet.com> <5e830056.1c69fb81.47593.7fd9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <494077ac-043c-b075-a829-c0bbf589afc7@gmail.com> On 31/03/2020 09:33, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > There was an amusing letter reprinted in The Week, suggesting that the > Guardian should be printed in long thin strips! So after reading it in > the loo.........! > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Barry Bonner via Tech1 > *Sent: *31 March 2020 00:13 > *To: *Mike Giles > *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do > > Ah! I wondered where all the loo paper was going! > > /Barry./ > > On 30 Mar 2020, at 23:18, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Oh - I forgot to include the fact that the advancing years seem to > require an increasing proportion of the day to be spent in the loo! > > Mike G > > > > On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:45, Mike Giles via Tech1 > > wrote: > > ?Far from looking for jobs, I?m finding that time is short > even to keep the gardening up to scratch! What with regular > FaceTime calls from daughter and her children, plus texts from > our son and his daughter, then WhatsApp from the badminton > group, phone calls to and from a few friends (haven?t had time > to ring several that I ought to have contacted), then the now > compulsory daily walk, plus a visit to the chemist for > prescriptions (twice in fact because they missed things first > time) a trip to the local farm shop, because we can?t get > supermarket deliveries yet ~ where does the time go? Then I > have to get my wife up to speed on the technology so that she > can join in with apps that she has studiously avoided in the > past and as a school governor, with all our meetings > cancelled, keeping abreast of things and contributing to > decision making by e-mail is taking longer than the meetings > that the e-mails replace! > > So I?m looking forward to the end of the emergency as an > opportunity for a rest! > > Mike G > > > > On 30 Mar 2020, at 18:08, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > > wrote: > > That looks amazing! > > Now that you've completed it, could you restore my player > piano? > > B > > > On 30/03/2020 17:26, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > > (Delete if you're not interested!) > > I?ve never been much good at sitting down doing > nothing, and without wanting to offend anyone, I?m > afraid that, with a few exceptions, I would have to > include watching old TV programmes in that. My > memories of the BBC are more of the people I was sorry > to leave behind, rather than the programmes I worked > on. There are people, I would give anything to know > what became of them. > > So, in my spare time, which I seem to have a lot of at > the moment, I have always had an obsession with making > things. In the past, it was almost exclusively > electronic things - bits of audio kit that I knew I > had a need for - things that weren?t available on the > market at the time. That included a whole succession > of mixers, a couple of tape recorders, talkback > systems, computers, of course, etc. etc. Then along > came commercial products utilising surface mount > technology, and after that, home drawn and etched > printed circuit boards weren?t really an option > anymore. And by now, the need wasn?t there anyway, > because you could buy them. > > So I looked at another interest of mine: organ building. > > Just over a year ago this little pipe organ came into > my possession as a flat-pack kit. It?s a modern take > on an historic instrument dating from 1643, an > instrument that I know and have recorded. > > About 13 years ago, an organ builder decided to make a > small number of these little instruments for early > music continuo use, but quickly realised that several > thousand high precision parts were needed, and that > making the parts was nothing compared to the cost of > putting them together. So he built one, and offered > the rest as a flat pack kit for home assembly. Fat > chance of that though, because as far as we know, only > one other was ever completed, and judging by pictures > I?ve seen, it was a bit of a disaster. They would, I?m > told, have sold for around ?20,000 fully built, or > ?5,000 in kit form. > > Then this one cropped up on EBay. Someone had bought > it 12 years previously, started on it, made a few > blunders, then gave up and bought a bigger ready built > one. So it lay in wait, fortunately stored in ideal > temperature and humidity conditions. Almost every part > is precision pre-cut, and none had warped. It?s all > properly seasoned beautiful solid Oak, except for some > parts where other exotic hardwoods were traditionally > used. The only parts supplied ready made were the > front metal pipes, which require incredible skill to > make as they are a tin-rich lead alloy. Basically, > making them is soldering solder! > > The rest was down to me. It came with very basic > instructions that assumed a lot of existing knowledge > on the part of the builder. A lot of ingenuity and > improvisation was going to be needed too. I started by > buying all the right tools - low angle planes, various > sash and other clamps, traditional hot animal glue and > pot, new chisel set and whet stones, and a number of > home-made special tools. I spent about a month > mastering woodworking and hot gluing techniques before > starting, and quickly discovered that my ?O? level > woodwork wasn?t going to be adequate! > > Then, began three months of immensely satisfying work > as it took shape. Each of the 42 wooden pipes consists > of eight parts that have to be glued, clamped, planed, > and finished to absolute precision, or they won?t > ?speak? evenly and tune properly. The sound board and > grid is actually a number of layers of carefully > drilled airways, all having to be 100% airtight from > each other and free from leaks to outside. Quite a > challenge! The keyboard has to be cut into individual > keys from a part-cut board with a fretsaw, then planed > and fitted with boxwood top and front parts for the > naturals, and Ebony for the sharps. > > Then, the mechanical couplings from the keys to the > pallets that let air into the pipes: that was the > hardest bit. Seven or eight components per note. For > the foot operated bellows and rising top reservoir > leatherwork assembly, I decided to enlist the help of > a professional (actually, a retired very senior > neuro-pathologist). I would never have got the bellows > airtight and flexible, with an even airflow to the > soundboard and no leaks. > > Even the casework panels and the table itself had to > be assembled, glued and sash-clamped exactly square. > After several months of patience, and sometimes > frustration, it all worked and sounded fine. My > professional leatherwork helper said: ?Well I should > hope so, it?s only apprentice-level stuff!? Wow, some > apprentice that would have to be! > > Finally, it was all finished, but I only kept it for a > few months because we moved house, and I already had > (still have) another pipe organ that I could never > part with. > > If only I had another kit to build now I would do even > better with hindsight and experience. But I?ll find > something else to make, I always do. All I need to do > now is learn to play it better! > > And all of the above is a rather long-winded way of > saying: ?Don?t be a couch potato - be creative, make > something!? > > Cheers, > > Nick. > > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Sent from my iPad mini 5 From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 31 04:20:04 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:20:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: References: <792e238c-78e3-fbb2-c703-da70419d03ab@gmail.com>, <6A5C7F2B-68BA-4532-9917-430FA5747423@mac.com>, Message-ID: I hasten to add, there?s a big difference between jobs that need doing and the sort of activity I was describing! I?m not very good at getting around to the jobs that need doing! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 30 Mar 2020, at 22:45, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Far from looking for jobs, I?m finding that time is short even to keep the gardening up to scratch! What with regular FaceTime calls from daughter and her children, plus texts from our son and his daughter, then WhatsApp from the badminton group, phone calls to and from a few friends (haven?t had time to ring several that I ought to have contacted), then the now compulsory daily walk, plus a visit to the chemist for prescriptions (twice in fact because they missed things first time) a trip to the local farm shop, because we can?t get supermarket deliveries yet ~ where does the time go? Then I have to get my wife up to speed on the technology so that she can join in with apps that she has studiously avoided in the past and as a school governor, with all our meetings cancelled, keeping abreast of things and contributing to decision making by e-mail is taking longer than the meetings that the e-mails replace! >> >> So I?m looking forward to the end of the emergency as an opportunity for a rest! >> >> Mike G From Waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 31 04:47:31 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 09:47:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Finding Things To Do In-Reply-To: <5e82ff70.1c69fb81.f6028.f353@mx.google.com> References: , <5e82ff70.1c69fb81.f6028.f353@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Much of the credit for the C12 is due to Robin Luxford, who had a very sophisticated model-maker?s lathe, and John Milner who did the incredibly intricate assembly of the capsule components made by Robin. And also to Peter Eardley at Polytechna, who when I asked him whether we were infringing AKG?s copyright, gave me a faulty C12 capsule to dismantle as a pattern for ours, on the condition that we only made three! Ours was a much simplified version of theirs. I eventually sold my C12 clone to Derek Miller-Timmins, who said he would build me a Clavichord. I wonder how many people knew he had the skill to do that? Sadly I never got the Clavichord. The Vidicon: It wasn?t very good pic quality, but my proudest moment with that was the day we set it up in front of the revolving Globe caption in Continuity A, and the Engineer (whose jovial face I can still see in my mind, but can?t remember his name) cut it up to air, thereby synchronising the entire BBC1 output to my humble little camera! Cheers, Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Mar 2020, at 09:29, patheigham wrote: ? I recall being highly impressed in the 60?s, when Nick built a beautiful copy of a C12 microphone, as well as a vidicon TV camera. Brilliant stuff! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 31 04:56:29 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:56:29 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5e8313cd.1c69fb81.ecbbd.bf29@mx.google.com> Another letter reprinted in The Week, wondered if the obesity statistics in this country would increase as the panic buyers attempt to consume all they bought before the ?use-by? date! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 10:18 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Panic buying Interesting to note in the News this morning that Supermarkets recorded a best ever surge in sales of fruit and vegetables this month. Meanwhile, on the local Moan ?n Groan Facebook group (you?d love it!) there are pictures posted by the local dustmen of dustbins overflowing with unopened loaves of bread and vegetables, mostly still perfectly good, but beyond their use-by date. It seems that lowlife exists at all levels of society. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nickrodger at mac.com Tue Mar 31 04:58:59 2020 From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 10:58:59 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <087A224F-3D9C-449A-A876-057CB327D5CD@mac.com> What is even more repulsive than the moronic panic buying is the stupidity of believing the sell~by dates on packaging instead of making your own decisions on the condition of the food. And if anything is looking like it?s starting to spoil just cook it up and freeze it, ffs! We go into a major decline if we have to waste anything, at any time. Nick Rodger Cameraman 07971 007578 nickrodger at mac.com Don?t blame me!! I voted Remain ?? On 31 Mar 2020, at 10:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: Interesting to note in the News this morning that Supermarkets recorded a best ever surge in sales of fruit and vegetables this month. Meanwhile, on the local Moan ?n Groan Facebook group (you?d love it!) there are pictures posted by the local dustmen of dustbins overflowing with unopened loaves of bread and vegetables, mostly still perfectly good, but beyond their use-by date. It seems that lowlife exists at all levels of society. Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 31 05:51:43 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 11:51:43 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic buying In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77F7AB76-A2C0-432D-AF86-12526F5338BD@me.com> Don't believe all you see, especially in Facebook groups. I often see photographs which purport to be of shocking situations in local shops, but are clearly not from our local branch. It was easy to dismiss the one claiming to show empty shelves in the Banbury Lidl ( Clue, there is no LIdl in Banbury ). There were photographs claiming to show empty shelves in our Aldi, but the picture showed a booze section behind it, while in our branch, the booze section is at the opposite end. Similarly a picture of a tightly packed queue in our local Tesco looked convincing until somebody pointed out that the floor tiles were totally wrong for our branch and the balcony around the mezzanine floor should have been visible if that shot were taken in our branch. Obviously there are real shortages and real concerns, but some photographs do tend to get used out of context in order to make a point. If you do an image search on a Facebook picture, you might well find that it has been used in multiple places and possibly first published months ago. I have no doubt that food is being wasted on a massive scale, but I wouldn't put much faith in a photograph on a Facebook group. I felt from the outset that panic buying was likely to be a temporary phenomenon for two reasons. One is that most homes only have a limited amount of storage for perishable goods. The second reason being that by now, people will have received their credit card bills for all that panic buying and might be reluctant to do it again, especially if their future income is likely to diminish or dry up altogether. My wife and I had been in Germany for the Cologne Carnival near the end of February and when we got back to the UK in March, panic buying was already happening on a huge scale, but we didn't need to go down that route. My wife is originally from East Germany and has always insisted on keeping a well stocked larder, therefore our normal level of supplies has comfortably seen us through the recent shortages and we only need to routinely restock as stuff get used up. We always make our own bread and although flour is currently scarce in shops, our normal stock of flour is keeping us going and we don't need commercial yeast because we made our own sourdough starter and have been using it for years. Part of the process of using sourdough is that you have to feed the starter each day with a little bit of flour and water. If you don't use the starter to make bread, you have to throw some of it away because it keeps growing. We've given surplus starter to neighbours so that they can make bread too and we still have enough left over starter to make sourdough waffles, pancakes and English muffins, which are delicious ways to use up what might otherwise be a waste product. It's a shame that people don't seem to be either able or willing to make good use of stuff they buy and let it go to waste. Even vegetables which look past their best and might have been destined for the compost heap can make a lovely soup. This is all the more sad when so many people are having to stay at home and they can't use their usual excuse of being too busy to have time to cook. Alan Taylor On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 10:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Interesting to note in the News this morning that Supermarkets recorded a best ever surge in sales of fruit and vegetables this month. > Meanwhile, on the local Moan ?n Groan Facebook group (you?d love it!) there are pictures posted by the local dustmen of dustbins overflowing with unopened loaves of bread and vegetables, mostly still perfectly good, but beyond their use-by date. > It seems that lowlife exists at all levels of society. > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Tue Mar 31 07:52:32 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 13:52:32 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic buying In-Reply-To: <77F7AB76-A2C0-432D-AF86-12526F5338BD@me.com> References: <77F7AB76-A2C0-432D-AF86-12526F5338BD@me.com> Message-ID: <9D41AD12-0758-46FE-A2CE-C4104CF08509@mac.com> I have long been of the opinion that the Best Before and Use By dates have two cynical purposes - one being to get you to eat more than you need, so as not to waste it, but requiring you to shop again to restock sooner than would have been necessary, whilst the other is to prevent any risk of prosecution if something does go off and causes a tummy bug. With the latter in mind, they must always choose a date which gives plenty of leeway for error on their part and my wife and I often ?discuss? the merits of consuming something which may have deteriorated in quality, but is still perfectly edible - she usually allows me to indulge in these delicacies, whilst choosing newer stuff for herself. I hasten to add that I don?t tend to suffer from tummy bugs (touch wood) but occasionally a good clear-out can be quite beneficial, and I?m not referring to the garage! Mike G > On 31 Mar 2020, at 11:52, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Don't believe all you see, especially in Facebook groups. I often see photographs which purport to be of shocking situations in local shops, but are clearly not from our local branch. It was easy to dismiss the one claiming to show empty shelves in the Banbury Lidl ( Clue, there is no LIdl in Banbury ). There were photographs claiming to show empty shelves in our Aldi, but the picture showed a booze section behind it, while in our branch, the booze section is at the opposite end. Similarly a picture of a tightly packed queue in our local Tesco looked convincing until somebody pointed out that the floor tiles were totally wrong for our branch and the balcony around the mezzanine floor should have been visible if that shot were taken in our branch. Obviously there are real shortages and real concerns, but some photographs do tend to get used out of context in order to make a point. If you do an image search on a Facebook picture, you might well find that it has been used in multiple places and possibly first published months ago. I have no doubt that food is being wasted on a massive scale, but I wouldn't put much faith in a photograph on a Facebook group. > > I felt from the outset that panic buying was likely to be a temporary phenomenon for two reasons. > > One is that most homes only have a limited amount of storage for perishable goods. The second reason being that by now, people will have received their credit card bills for all that panic buying and might be reluctant to do it again, especially if their future income is likely to diminish or dry up altogether. > > My wife and I had been in Germany for the Cologne Carnival near the end of February and when we got back to the UK in March, panic buying was already happening on a huge scale, but we didn't need to go down that route. My wife is originally from East Germany and has always insisted on keeping a well stocked larder, therefore our normal level of supplies has comfortably seen us through the recent shortages and we only need to routinely restock as stuff get used up. > > We always make our own bread and although flour is currently scarce in shops, our normal stock of flour is keeping us going and we don't need commercial yeast because we made our own sourdough starter and have been using it for years. Part of the process of using sourdough is that you have to feed the starter each day with a little bit of flour and water. If you don't use the starter to make bread, you have to throw some of it away because it keeps growing. We've given surplus starter to neighbours so that they can make bread too and we still have enough left over starter to make sourdough waffles, pancakes and English muffins, which are delicious ways to use up what might otherwise be a waste product. > > It's a shame that people don't seem to be either able or willing to make good use of stuff they buy and let it go to waste. Even vegetables which look past their best and might have been destined for the compost heap can make a lovely soup. This is all the more sad when so many people are having to stay at home and they can't use their usual excuse of being too busy to have time to cook. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > >> On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 10:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Interesting to note in the News this morning that Supermarkets recorded a best ever surge in sales of fruit and vegetables this month. >> Meanwhile, on the local Moan ?n Groan Facebook group (you?d love it!) there are pictures posted by the local dustmen of dustbins overflowing with unopened loaves of bread and vegetables, mostly still perfectly good, but beyond their use-by date. >> It seems that lowlife exists at all levels of society. >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Mar 31 08:11:35 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 14:11:35 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic buying In-Reply-To: <9D41AD12-0758-46FE-A2CE-C4104CF08509@mac.com> Message-ID: Best before is absolutely a case of `Quality may reduce after but safe` use by is a bit more of `it could be bad for you soon after this date , but with a margin for error as you say ` Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. 07802 243979 Mail;?paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web;?http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin;???http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB;?http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network ? Original Message ? From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: 31 March 2020 13:52 To: alanaudio at me.com Reply to: mibridge at mac.com Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Panic buying I have long been of the opinion that the Best Before and Use By dates have two cynical purposes - one being to get you to eat more than you need, so as not to waste it, but requiring you to shop again to restock sooner than would have been necessary, whilst the other is to prevent any risk of prosecution if something does go off and causes a tummy bug. With the latter in mind, they must always choose a date which gives plenty of leeway for error on their part and my wife and I often ?discuss? the merits of consuming something which may have deteriorated in quality, but is still perfectly edible - she usually allows me to indulge in these delicacies, whilst choosing newer stuff for herself. I hasten to add that I don?t tend to suffer from tummy bugs (touch wood) but occasionally a good clear-out can be quite beneficial, and I?m not referring to the garage! Mike G > On 31 Mar 2020, at 11:52, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Don't believe all you see, especially in Facebook groups.? I often see photographs which purport to be of shocking situations in local shops, but are clearly not from our local branch.? It was easy to dismiss the one claiming to show empty shelves in the Banbury Lidl ( Clue, there is no LIdl in Banbury ). There were photographs claiming to show empty shelves in our Aldi, but the picture showed a booze section behind it, while in our branch, the booze section is at the opposite end.? Similarly a picture of a tightly packed queue in our local Tesco looked convincing until somebody pointed out that the floor tiles were totally wrong for our branch and the balcony around the mezzanine floor should have been visible if that shot were taken in our branch.? Obviously there are real shortages and real concerns, but some photographs do tend to get used out of context in order to make a point.? If you do an image search on a Facebook picture, you might well find that it has been used in multiple places and possibly first published months ago.? I have no doubt that food is being wasted on a massive scale, but I wouldn't put much faith in a photograph on a Facebook group. > > I felt from the outset that panic buying was likely to be a temporary phenomenon for two reasons.? > > One is that most homes only have a limited amount of storage for perishable goods.? The second reason being that by now, people will have received their credit card bills for all that panic buying and might be reluctant to do it again, especially if their future income is likely to diminish or dry up altogether. > > My wife and I had been in Germany for the Cologne Carnival near the end of February and when we got back to the UK in March, panic buying was already happening on a huge scale, but we didn't need to go down that route.? My wife is originally from East Germany and has always insisted on keeping a well stocked larder, therefore our normal level of supplies has comfortably seen us through the recent shortages and we only need to routinely restock as stuff get used up. > > We always make our own bread and although flour is currently scarce in shops, our normal stock of flour is keeping us going and we don't need commercial yeast because we made our own sourdough starter and have been using it for years.? Part of the process of using sourdough is that you have to feed the starter each day with a little bit of flour and water.? If you don't use the starter to make bread, you have to throw some of it away because it keeps growing.? We've given surplus starter to neighbours so that they can make bread too and we still have enough left over starter to make sourdough waffles, pancakes and English muffins, which are delicious ways to use up what might otherwise be a waste product. > > It's a shame that people don't seem to be either able or willing to make good use of stuff they buy and let it go to waste.? Even vegetables which look past their best and might have been destined for the compost heap can make a lovely soup. This is all the more sad when so many people are having to stay at home and they can't use their usual excuse of being too busy to have time to cook. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > >> On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 10:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Interesting to note in the News this morning that Supermarkets recorded a best ever surge in sales of fruit and vegetables this month. >> Meanwhile, on the local Moan ?n Groan Facebook group (you?d love it!) there are pictures posted by the local dustmen of dustbins overflowing with unopened loaves of bread and vegetables, mostly still perfectly good, but beyond their use-by date. >> It seems that lowlife exists at all levels of society. >> Nick. >> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 31 08:41:27 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 14:41:27 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Panic buying In-Reply-To: <9D41AD12-0758-46FE-A2CE-C4104CF08509@mac.com> References: <77F7AB76-A2C0-432D-AF86-12526F5338BD@me.com> <9D41AD12-0758-46FE-A2CE-C4104CF08509@mac.com> Message-ID: <95C3448F-8D77-4F56-88CD-13046761DB9D@me.com> My wife seems to believe that the sell by date on packages is there as a trigger so that she can buy that item at a reduced price once there is a yellow sticker on it. Our Waitrose often offers particularly generous reductions compared to other shops. She is drawn towards things that she wouldn't normally buy, but might be interested in trying. The supermarket deli counter stocks a changing range of cheeses and cold meats which eventually get sold off at reduced prices, giving us an excuse to try unfamiliar varieties without breaking the bank. A few days after Valentines Day, our local M&S was trying to get rid of dozens of packs of Coquilles St Jacques at 90p for two. She bought four packs. We pigged out on them for lunch and dinner that day as two of them each seemed like a reasonable portion. Note that for factory produced products, the sell by date can be quite different from the best before or use by date, so there shouldn't be any food safety issues when buying on the final day of the sell by date if you use them promptly. Alan Taylor On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 13:52, Mike Giles wrote: > I have long been of the opinion that the Best Before and Use By dates have two cynical purposes - one being to get you to eat more than you need, so as not to waste it, but requiring you to shop again to restock sooner than would have been necessary, whilst the other is to prevent any risk of prosecution if something does go off and causes a tummy bug. With the latter in mind, they must always choose a date which gives plenty of leeway for error on their part and my wife and I often ?discuss? the merits of consuming something which may have deteriorated in quality, but is still perfectly edible - she usually allows me to indulge in these delicacies, whilst choosing newer stuff for herself. I hasten to add that I don?t tend to suffer from tummy bugs (touch wood) but occasionally a good clear-out can be quite beneficial, and I?m not referring to the garage! > > Mike G > >> On 31 Mar 2020, at 11:52, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Don't believe all you see, especially in Facebook groups. I often see photographs which purport to be of shocking situations in local shops, but are clearly not from our local branch. It was easy to dismiss the one claiming to show empty shelves in the Banbury Lidl ( Clue, there is no LIdl in Banbury ). There were photographs claiming to show empty shelves in our Aldi, but the picture showed a booze section behind it, while in our branch, the booze section is at the opposite end. Similarly a picture of a tightly packed queue in our local Tesco looked convincing until somebody pointed out that the floor tiles were totally wrong for our branch and the balcony around the mezzanine floor should have been visible if that shot were taken in our branch. Obviously there are real shortages and real concerns, but some photographs do tend to get used out of context in order to make a point. If you do an image search on a Facebook picture, you might well find that it has been used in multiple places and possibly first published months ago. I have no doubt that food is being wasted on a massive scale, but I wouldn't put much faith in a photograph on a Facebook group. >> >> I felt from the outset that panic buying was likely to be a temporary phenomenon for two reasons. >> >> One is that most homes only have a limited amount of storage for perishable goods. The second reason being that by now, people will have received their credit card bills for all that panic buying and might be reluctant to do it again, especially if their future income is likely to diminish or dry up altogether. >> >> My wife and I had been in Germany for the Cologne Carnival near the end of February and when we got back to the UK in March, panic buying was already happening on a huge scale, but we didn't need to go down that route. My wife is originally from East Germany and has always insisted on keeping a well stocked larder, therefore our normal level of supplies has comfortably seen us through the recent shortages and we only need to routinely restock as stuff get used up. >> >> We always make our own bread and although flour is currently scarce in shops, our normal stock of flour is keeping us going and we don't need commercial yeast because we made our own sourdough starter and have been using it for years. Part of the process of using sourdough is that you have to feed the starter each day with a little bit of flour and water. If you don't use the starter to make bread, you have to throw some of it away because it keeps growing. We've given surplus starter to neighbours so that they can make bread too and we still have enough left over starter to make sourdough waffles, pancakes and English muffins, which are delicious ways to use up what might otherwise be a waste product. >> >> It's a shame that people don't seem to be either able or willing to make good use of stuff they buy and let it go to waste. Even vegetables which look past their best and might have been destined for the compost heap can make a lovely soup. This is all the more sad when so many people are having to stay at home and they can't use their usual excuse of being too busy to have time to cook. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 10:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Interesting to note in the News this morning that Supermarkets recorded a best ever surge in sales of fruit and vegetables this month. >>> Meanwhile, on the local Moan ?n Groan Facebook group (you?d love it!) there are pictures posted by the local dustmen of dustbins overflowing with unopened loaves of bread and vegetables, mostly still perfectly good, but beyond their use-by date. >>> It seems that lowlife exists at all levels of society. >>> Nick. >>> Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 08:56:48 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 13:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Gothic the Third References: <832591744.3399449.1585663008936.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <832591744.3399449.1585663008936@mail.yahoo.com> The third chapter of my novel "Gothic by Gaslight", is attached. Chapter 4 on Friday. luv, Rog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 03Gothic.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 125756 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dave at davesound.co.uk Tue Mar 31 08:56:08 2020 From: dave at davesound.co.uk (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 14:56:08 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] How to improve Zoom Message-ID: <5859e31726dave@davesound.co.uk> Been using Zoom recently for some meetings. Never bothered with it before the current situation. Or any other form of video and audio hook up either. Just phone and text based stuff. First thing is my laptop. If I have it at a comfortable height for viewing and use, the camera is wrong. Tilt the screen to get the camera right, and the LCD screen is at the wrong angle with washed out pictures. Viewing and hearing the other contributors, some of the audio is awful. The speakers on my laptop acceptable, if what's incoming OK. But of course have no idea if any contribution I make sounds OK to others. I still have most of my freelance kit. So things like Tram, 451, 416, U87 etc. No problem with PS and adaptor leads to feed the laptop with. Could even EQ them beforehand. Also have a variety of small video cameras. Which subjectively give better pictures than the laptop one. I've also got a desktop (win7) in the lounge which displays on the TV. It would keep me occupied setting up a decent contribution point in the lounge. even if I did have to wear headphones of some sort. Although getting decent pictures in and out just about as important. -- *Hard work has a future payoff. Laziness pays off NOW. Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From john at epi-centre.com Tue Mar 31 09:30:02 2020 From: john at epi-centre.com (John Henshall) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 15:30:02 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'First Night' Message-ID: <92CF7F98-985C-4CF5-8C6A-6A83BECF5D8B@epi-centre.com> Sixty years ago this year our beloved TC opened. On 29 June 1960 the first ?live? broadcast from TC3, First Night, took place. Fascinating to watch, sixty years on. Here are a couple of screen-grabs from a telerecording of that show, comp?red by David Nixon, with people you might recognise. I believe it is Bernard Fox on the front of the Mole crane, chatting up the dancer? But who are those swinging and tracking? And I think that?s John Farr on the pedestal. Any thoughts? Stay safe and well! Regards John -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If those are close to their used by date, they'll have gone off by the time I use them all. Same with lots of other things you may want to eat raw, unless feeding a family. In article <95C3448F-8D77-4F56-88CD-13046761DB9D at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > My wife seems to believe that the sell by date on packages is there as a > trigger so that she can buy that item at a reduced price once there is a > yellow sticker on it. Our Waitrose often offers particularly generous > reductions compared to other shops. She is drawn towards things that > she wouldn't normally buy, but might be interested in trying. The > supermarket deli counter stocks a changing range of cheeses and cold > meats which eventually get sold off at reduced prices, giving us an > excuse to try unfamiliar varieties without breaking the bank. A few > days after Valentines Day, our local M&S was trying to get rid of dozens > of packs of Coquilles St Jacques at 90p for two. She bought four packs. > We pigged out on them for lunch and dinner that day as two of them each > seemed like a reasonable portion. > Note that for factory produced products, the sell by date can be quite different from the best before or use by date, so there shouldn't be any food safety issues when buying on the final day of the sell by date if you use them promptly. -- *When blondes have more fun, do they know it? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Mar 31 10:35:34 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:35:34 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Social Distancing? Message-ID: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC Communications group) Quite funny though in these times! Mike -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(well it did come from a BBC Communications group) > > Quite funny though in these times! > > Mike > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Mar 31 10:59:49 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 16:59:49 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> Message-ID: <007001d60775$68550a20$38ff1e60$@pgtmedia.co.uk> But not very accurate? (149.90 Mhz= 2 meters or 164 Mhz is 6 feet?) Are has the speed of light been changed by the virus? -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 16:36 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Social Distancing? One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC Communications group) Quite funny though in these times! Mike From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 11:15:13 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:15:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: <007001d60775$68550a20$38ff1e60$@pgtmedia.co.uk> References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> <007001d60775$68550a20$38ff1e60$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: One for the sound crews maybe! Barry. On 31 Mar 2020, at 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: > But not very accurate? > (149.90 Mhz= 2 meters or 164 Mhz is 6 feet?) > Are has the speed of light been changed by the virus? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via > Tech1 > Sent: 31 March 2020 16:36 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Social Distancing? > > One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC Communications > group) > > Quite funny though in these times! > > Mike > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2 meters apart.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 107482 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 31 11:35:30 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:35:30 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> <007001d60775$68550a20$38ff1e60$@pgtmedia.co.uk> Message-ID: <5e837151.1c69fb81.287a7.b07e@mx.google.com> With the 2m suggestion, one wonders how intimate relations could be achieved. Impossible unless you are built like a Blue Whale! His is 10 feet apparently. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Blue+Whale+reproductive+organ Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 17:15 To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Social Distancing? One for the sound crews maybe! Barry. On 31 Mar 2020, at 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 wrote: But not very accurate? (149.90 Mhz= 2 meters or 164 Mhz is 6 feet?) Are has the speed of light been changed by the virus? -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 16:36 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Social Distancing? One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC Communications group) Quite funny though in these times! Mike -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2 meters apart.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 107482 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Tue Mar 31 12:13:52 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:13:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: <5e837151.1c69fb81.287a7.b07e@mx.google.com> References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> <007001d60775$68550a20$38ff1e60$@pgtmedia.co.uk> , <5e837151.1c69fb81.287a7.b07e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Oh Pat, only you would think of a thing like that. I?m a Vicar?s son, I?m shocked! Nick. Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Mar 2020, at 17:35, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? With the 2m suggestion, one wonders how intimate relations could be achieved. Impossible unless you are built like a Blue Whale! His is 10 feet apparently. https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Blue+Whale+reproductive+organ Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 17:15 To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Social Distancing? One for the sound crews maybe! Barry. [cid:BC42CD1E-21E1-4B77-85D6-B73E4CD0D3F3 at home] On 31 Mar 2020, at 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 > wrote: But not very accurate? (149.90 Mhz= 2 meters or 164 Mhz is 6 feet?) Are has the speed of light been changed by the virus? -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 31 March 2020 16:36 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Social Distancing? One for the more technical! 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Name: 2 meters apart.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 107482 bytes Desc: 2 meters apart.jpg URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 12:38:15 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 17:38:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: <99060C43-490C-4A1A-AAF8-54FCFA3D06C4@me.com> References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> <99060C43-490C-4A1A-AAF8-54FCFA3D06C4@me.com> Message-ID: <1694388140.3697861.1585676295349@mail.yahoo.com> Four Cubits? Isn't that a Fathom? On Tuesday, 31 March 2020, 16:57:17 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Apparently Jacob Rees Mogg advises that we should keep four cubits away from other people. Personally I think that cubits are too antiquated and nobody knows how big they are these days.? I prefer to keep seven sixteenths of a rod, pole or perch away from other people. Alan Taylor On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 16:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC Communications group) > > Quite funny though in these times! > > Mike > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Mar 31 13:03:13 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 19:03:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: <1694388140.3697861.1585676295349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> <99060C43-490C-4A1A-AAF8-54FCFA3D06C4@me.com> <1694388140.3697861.1585676295349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e8385e0.1c69fb81.83f8c.d2f0@mx.google.com> Merriam-Webster defines a cubit as: Definition of cubit Any of various ancient units of length based on the length of the forearm from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger and usually equal to about 18 inches (46 centimeters) 4 cubits are approx. 6 ft so less than 2 metres. The queue at my local Co-op stretches round into a pub car park, happens to be marked out with parking spaces which are 2.4m wide ? useful! One wonders if J R-M knows that his measurement depends where his middle finger is at the time! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Apparently Jacob Rees Mogg advises that we should keep four cubits away from other people. Personally I think that cubits are too antiquated and nobody knows how big they are these days.? I prefer to keep seven sixteenths of a rod, pole or perch away from other people. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 14:22:20 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:22:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] 'First Night' In-Reply-To: <92CF7F98-985C-4CF5-8C6A-6A83BECF5D8B@epi-centre.com> References: <92CF7F98-985C-4CF5-8C6A-6A83BECF5D8B@epi-centre.com> Message-ID: Tony Powell standing by the Mole? G On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 15:30, John Henshall via Tech1 wrote: > Sixty years ago this year our beloved TC opened. > > On 29 June 1960 the first ?live? broadcast from TC3, *First Night,* took > place. Fascinating to watch, sixty years on. > > Here are a couple of screen-grabs from a telerecording of that show, > comp?red by David Nixon, with people you might recognise. > > I believe it is Bernard Fox on the front of the Mole crane, chatting up > the dancer? But who are those swinging and tracking? > > And I think that?s John Farr on the pedestal. > > Any thoughts? > > Stay safe and well! > > Regards > John > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bernard Fox Screen Shot 2020-03-30 at 22.08.47.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 201599 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m a Vicar?s son, > I?m shocked! > Nick. > Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 31 Mar 2020, at 17:35, patheigham via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> With the 2m suggestion, one wonders how intimate relations could be >> achieved. Impossible unless you are built like a Blue Whale! >> >> His is 10 feet apparently. >> >> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Blue+Whale+reproductive+organ >> >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> *From: *Barry Bonner via Tech1 >> *Sent: *31 March 2020 17:15 >> *To: *paul at pgtmedia.co.uk >> *Cc: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Social Distancing? >> >> One for the sound crews maybe! >> >> /Barry./ >> >> On 31 Mar 2020, at 16:59, paul--- via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> >> >> But not very accurate? >> (149.90 Mhz= 2 meters or 164 Mhz is 6 feet?) >> Are has the speed of light been changed by the virus? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tech1 > > On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via >> Tech1 >> Sent: 31 March 2020 16:36 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > > >> Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Social Distancing? >> >> One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC >> Communications >> group) >> >> Quite funny though in these times! >> >> Mike >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> Virus-free. www.avast.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 15:32:13 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 21:32:13 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: <1694388140.3697861.1585676295349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> <99060C43-490C-4A1A-AAF8-54FCFA3D06C4@me.com> <1694388140.3697861.1585676295349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I can't fathom that one out but perhaps the horsey lot might prefer to measure it in hands! Cheers, Dave On 31/03/2020 18:38, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Four Cubits? Isn't that a Fathom? > > On Tuesday, 31 March 2020, 16:57:17 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > > Apparently Jacob Rees Mogg advises that we should keep four cubits > away from other people. > > Personally I think that cubits are too antiquated and nobody knows how > big they are these days.? I prefer to keep seven sixteenths of a rod, > pole or perch away from other people. > > Alan Taylor > > > On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 16:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC > Communications group) > > > > Quite funny though in these times! > > > > Mike > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Tue Mar 31 15:48:23 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:48:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sorry to bring you more gloom Message-ID: This may already have been posted a while ago, but I've only just stumbled across it, 10 minutes of aerial misery. I had no idea of the extent of the destruction, including the Blue Peter garden, and I'm sorry it follows on from my investigating the opening 50 years ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvYDW1mdfS0 TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Tue Mar 31 16:08:37 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 21:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: References: <9212ADA488C4437CAEA855E14E7CC2DE@Gigabyte> <99060C43-490C-4A1A-AAF8-54FCFA3D06C4@me.com> <1694388140.3697861.1585676295349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <635114200.3921080.1585688917041@mail.yahoo.com> In my school days I was of the opinion that my generation had to do TWICE as much physics as anyone before or after - because we had to do it all in Metric AND Imperial! Worse, the CGS metric system was soon replaced by another. But it got me playing with other possible units. At one point I worked out the speed of light in Furlongs per Fortnight. (No, I can't be bothered to do it again!) luv, Rog. On Tuesday, 31 March 2020, 21:31:44 BST, dave.mdv wrote: I can't fathom that one out but perhaps the horsey lot might prefer to measure it in hands! Cheers, Dave On 31/03/2020 18:38, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: Four Cubits? Isn't that a Fathom? On Tuesday, 31 March 2020, 16:57:17 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Apparently Jacob Rees Mogg advises that we should keep four cubits away from other people. Personally I think that cubits are too antiquated and nobody knows how big they are these days.? I prefer to keep seven sixteenths of a rod, pole or perch away from other people. Alan Taylor On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 16:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC Communications group) > > Quite funny though in these times! > > Mike > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Mar 31 16:19:19 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 22:19:19 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Social Distancing? In-Reply-To: <635114200.3921080.1585688917041@mail.yahoo.com> References: <635114200.3921080.1585688917041@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1434B06C-ED7F-41F9-950E-13A5E58740F9@me.com> Astronomers should stay 0.0000000000000002114 light years apart. Alan Taylor > On 31 Mar 2020, at 22:09, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > In my school days I was of the opinion that my generation had to do TWICE as much physics as anyone before or after - because we had to do it all in Metric AND Imperial! Worse, the CGS metric system was soon replaced by another. But it got me playing with other possible units. At one point I worked out the speed of light in Furlongs per Fortnight. (No, I can't be bothered to do it again!) > > luv, Rog. > > On Tuesday, 31 March 2020, 21:31:44 BST, dave.mdv wrote: > > > I can't fathom that one out but perhaps the horsey lot might prefer to measure it in hands! Cheers, Dave > > On 31/03/2020 18:38, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > > Four Cubits? Isn't that a Fathom? > > On Tuesday, 31 March 2020, 16:57:17 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > > Apparently Jacob Rees Mogg advises that we should keep four cubits away from other people. > > Personally I think that cubits are too antiquated and nobody knows how big they are these days. I prefer to keep seven sixteenths of a rod, pole or perch away from other people. > > Alan Taylor > > > On 31 Mar 2020, at 31 Mar . 16:35, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > > One for the more technical! (well it did come from a BBC Communications group) > > > > Quite funny though in these times! > > > > Mike > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From w12rogers at gmail.com Tue Mar 31 16:32:20 2020 From: w12rogers at gmail.com (Georgie and Steve Rogers) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 22:32:20 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Passing time. Message-ID: Been browsing through you tube found a classic 1965 Joan Baez concert by Stewart Morris from TVT beautifully shot and mixed does anybody know what crew it was and why the credits appear halfway through? 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More details and a Q&A are in our?full Self-Employed Income Support Scheme info,?and watch my 10-min video briefing - here's a very quick summary: - You get 80% of your avg monthly profit over 3yrs, up to ?2,500/mth. -?To qualify your avg trading profits must be under ?50,000/yr. -?Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. - You do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it. - It'll be paid by the start of June as a lump sum backdated to March. For cash in the meantime, you can also claim universal credit. 3) Employee or zero hrs contract / agency worker who's not working? You're due 80% of salary up to ?2,500/mth, but what counts as salary??Two weeks ago, the Govt announced the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme, which means employers can choose to put any staff who were on their payroll on 28 Feb on 'furlough' (standby), and the Govt will cover 80% of their salary up to ?2,500/mth - firms can top it up to 100% but don't need to. 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If after applying online, you're told to ring for an appointment but can't get through, try to be patient (I know it's hard). It's checking who was missed and WILL call you.? And remember the call-handling staff are working flat out in difficult circumstances, so try not to vent at them - it's not their fault. To check beforehand if it's likely you'll be accepted, use our?10-min Benefits Calculator?(which is up to date, except the new Self-Employment Income Support Scheme needs adding). 5) CONFIRMED: Limited company director? You can furlough your PAYE pay.?No official scheme has been announced for directors of limited companies, even if they're just one (wo)man bands, and I'm afraid I don't think one is coming, though many are lobbying for it. However, I have it confirmed from the Treasury that limited company directors, even if they're the only employee, can furlough their PAYE income - ie, get 80% of salary up to ?2,500/mth. This isn't likely to be huge as most earn more via dividends (and there's no help there), but it's something, and you can combine it with universal credit. Unfortunately, unlike the self-employment scheme, if you do this, technically you can't then work for the firm, but you can continue to perform your statutory director's obligations, eg, official legal filings. More in?limited company help. 6) CONFIRMED: Old employers can rehire you to furlough you.?If you left a job after 28 Feb, that old employer can rehire you to furlough you. The guidance already states they can do this for those they made redundant, yet we asked the Treasury if this applies to those who left voluntarily (eg, to start a new job that's now fallen through), and it has just confirmed it can.? 'Thank you, my old employer kept me on. I'm truly grateful' Gareth emailed us: "I resigned from my marketing job and was on gardening leave until late March - as you can imagine I've struggled to get work. "My girlfriend saw your advice on TV about a similar case - ie, asking my previous employer to keep me on the books. I wasn't expecting a good outcome as it is a small old-fashioned firm - so I asked and copied the link of your?video?into the email. Accounts replied more or less instantly saying they would do it. As I've a large mortgage and other commitments it has been a constant worry. As you can imagine this is a huge weight off my shoulders. I am truly grateful."?(We've changed some details to preserve anonymity.) Yet while employers can do this, it doesn't mean they have to - and sadly many won't. But I hope Gareth's story inspires you at least to ask. More info in?how to get your old employer to furlough you.? 7) If I'm furloughed, what happens to my auto-enrolled workplace pension??For furloughed workers, the Govt covers the minimum basic matching pension contributions - so it should continue. See more in furloughed pensions. 8) Has coronavirus hit your finances in a way that's not covered? There are sadly many holes in the support system (in which case universal credit is the prime option) and some financial problems exist too, incl... - Salespeople's commission not covered in furlough. - Limited company directors' dividends not covered. - The cliff edge that cuts off self-employed help at ?50,000 profits. - Payday lenders that won't give any payment reprieve. - No help if out of work on 28 Feb, even if employed day before and after. - No help for those who started self-employment this tax year (or even started last tax year, but it made up less than 50% of annual income). - Rental property firms that won't give refunds for cancelled bookings. - Job changers whose old employer won't furlough them. - Employees whose firms choose unpaid leave rather than furloughing. And these are just the start. To help our work and to feed through to Govt, take our survey to tell us of coronavirus money problems. Where it's deliberately decided Govt policy I doubt we can help, but where it's just a simple omission we may be able to get it considered. 9) MOT due? You've a 6mth extension.?If your vehicle's MOT expiry date is on or after Mon 30 Mar, don't worry - your vehicle is still allowed on the road and you've been given an automatic 6mth extension to your current MOT. See MOTs during coronavirus shutdown. 10) Overdrawn with Halifax, HSBC, Lloyds, Nationwide, NatWest, RBS, Santander & more? New help.?Regulation changes meant that from the new tax year's start, next Mon, almost all lenders will now be charging about 40% EAR on overdrafts, nearly double high-street credit cards. That makes overdrafts the new danger debt. Thankfully, many banks are now putting provisions in place, from ?300 buffer zones (ie, 0% interest) to suspending the rises, or allowing you to apply for 0% overdrafts. See our?bank-by-bank overdraft help. 11) Mortgage lenders are offering extensions so you can delay completion.?Homebuyers and renters due to move are being urged by the Govt to delay where possible. To help, mortgage lenders have agreed to offer up to 3mth extensions for those who have already exchanged contracts or agreed completion dates. See?home-mover help. 12) I'm about to buy a new home - should I exchange contracts??I've been asked this a lot, and I'm afraid to say I'd urge caution. There's no easy answer. Moving right now is difficult, and the Govt is cautioning against it. Many removal and vehicle-hire firms are shut. And if you're in a chain, it's likely there'll be a break somewhere. If it's your dream home, you could discuss with the seller whether they'd agree to a delayed completion, so you can exchange now and complete in say 6mths, but you'll need lawyers and mortgage firms to put everything in place, and that mightn't be easy. 13) You now can apply for a mortgage payment holiday online with ALL major lenders (don't just stop your DDs though).?Lenders will allow those struggling to pay their mortgage a 3mth break. Ten of the biggest lenders now let you apply online (it was 5 last week). See our apply for a mortgage payment holiday help. Make sure you do apply though, don't just stop direct debits - that'll kill your credit file. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 14) You are legally entitled to cash refunds NOT vouchers from flight cancellations.? Easyjet grounded all flights this week, and like with other airlines including BA, many people are telling us when they apply for a refund online, they can only see an offer of vouchers. Yet under EU reg 261/2004 (still in force until Dec), if your flight is cancelled you legally must get a choice between a full refund or an alternative flight. So of course right now that means refunds.? While the law is plain, some are making you jump through hoops, because the airline industry is on its last legs. So do give some consideration to accepting a voucher. ? But if you want to get cash and it's not offering it, usually the easy route is to call, though expect a long wait. An alternative would be to try using chargeback on your credit or debit card to get your money back. For more options, see how to get a flight refund. PS: The Govt is organising rescue flights this week to repatriate Brits. 15) Student maintenance will come as normal.?The Student Loans Company has confirmed students will be paid their loans/grants next term as normal (eg, if you get an 'away from home' loan you'll still get that even if temporarily at home).? As for rent... if you live in uni accommodation, some unis are saying they will refund/not charge for next term. If you're renting in private accommodation, you've the same?renters' rights?as everyone else at this time. If you're in hardship, speak to the uni - it may have a fund.? 16) Home insurance should cover working from home - but not any stock/kit.?If you're working from home when you don't normally, provided it's office/clerical work, most insurers are taking a relaxed approach (one key is that no biz visitors come to your home, but that's not likely right now). But if you've brought expensive kit or stock home, it's worth informing it. See full home insurance help.? 17) NHS staff/key workers free parking.?NHS workers will be able to park for free at hospitals, while 'key workers' - which includes NHS staff teachers, supermarket workers etc - can park for free in council spaces and NCP car parks. See free parking. And thanks to all key workers, you deserve far more than free parking. 18) BT Sport customers can ask for 1mth's bill credit.?As there's no live sport, it's relented and is now allowing BT Sport customers to claim bill credit (that link explains how this works on the different platforms). This follows the news we reported last week that Sky Sports customers can pause subscriptions.? 19) Smart meter roll-out delayed, but this won't affect 'smart meter-needed tariffs'.?If you recently switched to a cheap tariff that requires you to have a smart meter fitted, don't worry - the fact the roll-out of meters has been stopped won't affect your tariff. You'll just be contacted to have them fitted when the situation allows. Thu 8pm ITV - The Martin Lewis Money Show LIVE Huge numbers watched last week, so ITV asked me to do another 'Ask Me Anything' live coronavirus special. This time, I hope to try to present from home (Mrs MSE will floor-manage). If you've got questions, want the latest updates or prefer to watch explanations rather than read them, do tune in, and please let others know.? ? ? DON'T believe the fake ads on Facebook Lots of scam ads that litter social media lie that we or Martin promote Bitcoin, binary trading etc. See Fake ads warning. ? ? ? New. Got a need for speed? Cheapest fibre (fast) b'band & line '?16/mth'. Less than HALF what some pay for slower speeds ? With most having to stay home, broadband has become even more of a crucial utility, and faster broadband enables more homes to get a good stream, chat, work or schoolwork connection. Couple that with the fact that many pay ?40/mth+ (so ?480/yr+), and it means by grabbing new, short-lived promo deals we've blagged, you can speed up and pay less. Will switching cause capacity probs? At this important time, we wanted to check. BT and others below told us their networks and call centres can cope with more people switching and on faster speeds - so thankfully it isn't an issue, and you can switch guilt-free. TOP BROADBAND & LINE DEALS FOR NEWBIES (1) Deals avail to 98% of postcodes, links go via our?Broadband Comparison?which checks if you can get them DEAL & SPEED EQUIV COST (2) ?HOW GOOD ARE THESE DEALS? Ends Fri. Vodafone 63Mb fibre (ie, VERY FAST) '?19.41/mth' (?2/mth less for some) MSE Blagged Fastest super-cheap broadband deal (provided you'll spend at Amazon anyway).?Apply via our Vodafone link ?by Fri and you'll pay ?22.95/mth over the 2yr contract. Do this and you're automatically sent an ?85 Amazon vch within 4mths. If you'd have spent that anyway, factor it in and it's equiv to ?19.41/mth.?Existing Vodafone pay monthly mobile custs pay ?2/mth less. ? New. Shell Energy 35Mb fibre (ie, FAST) '?16.33/mth' ?MSE Blagged ? Cheapest fibre broadband. Apply via our Shell Energy link by Mon 13 Apr and you'll pay ?22.99/mth. You automatically get ?80 bill credit within 3mths, making it a total outlay of ?195.88 over the 1yr contract, equiv to ?16.33/mth. ? Ends Mon.? Shell Energy 11Mb (ie, standard speed) '?14.91/mth' MSE Blagged Cheapest standard broadband - but not much cheaper than the cheapest fibre deal.?Apply via our Shell Energy link by Mon 13 Apr and you'll pay ?16.99/mth. You automatically get ?25 bill credit within 3mths, making it a total outlay of ?178.88 over the 1yr contract, equiv to ?14.91/mth. (1) Definition of newbie differs by firm - see exact terms via the links. (2) To compare, we use 'equivalent prices' - adding all fixed costs, deducting promo cash or vouchers and averaging it over the contract. ? Virgin Media/cable users can't usually switch to these right now.?As you're currently on cable, you'd need a BT Openreach engineer to come to the home (unless you've got the right wires from an old connection) and they can't right now due to social distancing. If you're out of contract and can't switch,?haggle. ? ? You may be down for up to 2 hours when you switch.?You're given the switch time,?so there's notice and it's usually pretty speedy. In rare cases the outage can be longer if anything goes wrong, but it's worth considering at this time when broadband's so crucial. Hopefully your mobile's broadband can cover the gap. ? ? Will I get the advertised speed? The 'average' speed quoted is what 50%+ of custs get at peak times - and many firms have confirmed they're not throttling speeds, despite more demand. Most big providers (incl Shell Energy from those above) tell you the estimated max you're likely to get before you sign up. See how to check your speed and 8 broadband speed tips. ? New.?Cheapest MSE energy deal in nearly 2yrs - save ?360+/yr. As oil prices have plummeted, so have energy prices - and the latter is good news with so many people at home. To help, we've blagged a hot deal only available via our comparison, for dual-fuel or elec-only newbies to well-rated Green Network Energy, on its GNE Exclusive Green 12 Month Fix V8 tariff. The rate is fixed for 1yr and it costs an avg ?799/yr on typical use, incl ?25 MSE cashback (see how it compares via the link). You can get slightly cheaper from some smaller firms, so if you want the cheapest, do a full comparison. Ends Sun.?Claim marriage tax allowance NOW or lose ?212 of poss ?1,150. A staggering TWO MILLION eligible couples are missing out on the marriage tax allowance . If you're married/civil partners where one's a non-taxpayer, and the other a basic 20% rate payer, apply now and you can backdate claims by up to four years. Yet as the tax year ends on Sun, if you wait, you'll lose the 2015/16 year. 45 tips to be tight (in a good way)... eg, bulldog clips to eke out the last of the toothpaste. When money's tight or you simply don't want to waste stuff, see tips from the MSE team and our Forumites. 45 household hacks Ends Sun. Saving for a first home? Lifetime ISA year ending - USE IT OR LOSE IT. If you're 18 to 39 and a wannabe first-time buyer, you can open a top Lifetime ISA, which gives a 25% boost on up to ?4k saved per tax year. Yet as the tax year ends on Sun, if you wait, you'll lose this year's allowance. Urgent. If you pay credit or store card interest, shift to a top new 0% balance transfer credit card.?Acceptance criteria are rapidly being tightened but there are still decent deals available. If you can repay quick then grab 18mths 0% with NO FEE. For longer, try 29mths with a 3% fee. Use our Balance Transfer Eligibility Calc to apply and check your chances for most of the top cards. Globe-trot or tour from your sofa, eg, Machu Picchu, the Vatican, 'walk' on a volcano & wild Disney rides. You can't physically get out, but you can have virtual fun for free. I'm there even if I'm not ? ? BLAGGED FOR MSE - Top broadband & line deals from '?14.91/mth' For newbies - ?16/mth cheapest unlimited data Sim we've seen Ends Sun - Gruum body wash set ?12 deliv (norm ?20ish) 3,000 avail -?12 ready meals for ?30 delivered (norm ?35)?Ongoing ? DID YOU MISS? - Free 7-day trial of Disney+ streaming service - Free online learning, incl computer coding, languages etc - NHS staff freebies & discounts ? ? ? New.?Marcus (from Goldman Sachs) launches its first 1yr fixed savings account paying 1.45% interest, with early access allowed The UK base rate has just been cut to its lowest level in the Bank of England's 325yr history. Cuts usually spell bad news for savers - yet rates have just about held up, with many best-buy rates unchanged or having only fallen slightly. And this week, one of the star challenger banks has launched its first ever fixed deal - where the rate is, er, fixed for the term. All below have the full UK ?85,000 savings safety protection. ? New.?1.45% 1yr fixed savings - with EARLY access. Marcus* is the online UK bank from US investment banking giant Goldman Sachs. It joins sister brand Saga* in launching a 1 yr fix paying 1.45% AER (min deposit ?1). Unusually for a fix, both allow access to your money during the term - you can close your account for a fee equivalent to the first 90 days' interest. So don't do it if you know you'll need cash sooner, but it's a good emergency fallback. Note: Saga and Marcus share the ?85,000 safety protection - so that's the limit for both combined. ? ? If you can definitely lock money away for 1yr, earn up to 1.6%.?The top standard 1yr fix, from Vanquis Bank (min ?1,000), pays 1.6% AER - this means per ?1,000 here you'd get ?16/yr interest, compared with ?14.50 in Marcus, but you can only withdraw from it during the term if you demonstrate you're in financial difficulty. See top fixed savings accounts for more options and full info. ? ? Currently you can unlock some fixed savings if you're struggling.?Due to coronavirus, many banks are temporarily allowing people who are struggling financially to access cash in normally locked fixed savings - eg, Vanquis above (don't withdraw otherwise, as you'll lose what's probably a higher rate than available now). But we don't know how long that withdrawal leniency will last, other than with Marcus/Saga, where their flexibility is part of their standard terms, not an emergency measure.? ? ? Just want easy access to your cash? Earn 1.3%.?Here you can put money in and withdraw it whenever you want but the rate is variable, so keep an eye out in case it drops.?Virgin Money?(min ?1) is 1.31% AER, but you can only access cash twice a year. Top with unrestricted withdrawals are again? Marcus* and Saga* at 1.3% AER (min ?1) - with 'em you get just 10p per ?1,000 a year less interest than with Virgin. All easy-access accounts are variable rate, so do keep an eye?on them.?For full info, see top easy-access savings. ? ? Warning.?The cash ISA year ends on Sunday - use it or lose it. ?If you pay tax on savings (most don't), cash ISAs can protect you. Though you've only until Sun to use your ?20k allowance.?See Top Cash ISAs for help and best buys. ? Ends Sun.?Had a PPI payout since Apr 2015? You may be due ?100s in tax back. With successful PPI reclaims, you're taxed on part of the payout but millions are due this back, as Martin's? Reclaim PPI tax?blog explains.?Yet you can only backdate tax reclaims by up to FOUR tax years.?And as the tax year ends on Sun, if you wait, you'll lose the 2015/16 year. 8 things they've made FREE online that you used to pay for.?A reminder of this mega-popular blog we featured last week. Incl audiobooks, box sets, learn French/Spanish, hone guitar skills & more.? Online freebies Ending.?Cheapest Sim with UNLIMITED data, mins and texts we've seen - ?16/mth. MSE Blagged. If you're a data gobbler, newbies to Three* can get this 2yr contract for ?16/mth until Sun. More help and deals in Top Sims. Gruum hair & body wash set for ?12 delivered (norm ?20ish). MSE Blagged. Incl zero-plastic shampoo bar (lasts up to 60 washes), body bar soap & a choice of hand soap or face wash. Clean up How to find free 'virtual' pub quizzes.?Pubs may be shut, but thousands are coming together for?online quizzes. Sorry to Cheap Energy Club users - if you chose cheque for your cashback, it'll be delayed. Switch energy via the Cheap Energy Club and we roughly split what we get, and give you ?25 dual-fuel cashback (that you wouldn't get going direct). Sorry to say that if you switched recently and chose cheque, not BACS, as we're all working from home we can't send them, so it'll be delayed until people return. We hope you'll understand and bear with us. ? ? Tell your friends about us They can get this email free every week ? ? AT A GLANCE BEST BUYS 0% balance transfers Longest 0%:?Virgin Money 29mths 0%, 3% fee (21.9% rep APR) No-fee 0%:?Santander 18mths 0% (18.9% rep APR) or 20mths 0% if you're a NatWest/RBS customer (19.9% rep APR) Car insurance Get comparison site quotes in this order: 1. MoneySupermarket* 2. Confused.com* 3. Compare The Market* 4. Gocompare* Then check insurers they miss:? Direct Line* Aviva* Cheap loans Cheapest for ?5,000-?7,499:?Tesco Bank 3.4% rep APR (1-3yrs) Cheapest ?7.5k-?15k:?Cahoot 2.8% rep APR Broadband top picks Standard b'band & line rent:?Shell equiv ?14.91/mth Fibre b'band & line rent:?Shell equiv ?16.33/mth Superfast fibre b'band & line rent:?Vodafone equiv ?19.41/mth Best bank accounts 5% interest fixed for a year:?Nationwide FlexDirect 1-3% cashback on bills:?Santander 123 Lite Top savings accounts Top easy-access:?Marcus/Saga 1.3%, min ?1 (truly easy-access) or?Virgin Money 1.31%, min ?1 ?(with restrictions) Top one-year fix:?Vanquis Bank 1.6%, min ?1,000 ? Lenders pulling cheap loans. If you NEED to borrow, do it ASAP Loans available from 2.8%, but there are fewer of them and credit scoring is getting tougher Coronavirus financial worries have caused a seismic shift in the loans market as some lenders have stopped allowing applications (eg, Admiral, Ratesetter & Sainsbury's for ?25k+), often as they need to focus call centre staff on vulnerable custs. Others have increased rates, and almost all have tightened acceptance criteria. For now, a few good deals still exist, but we don't know how long for. Over to Martin on whether you should consider borrowing now:? "Normally, I say only borrow for planned, budgeted, affordable, one-off expenditures. Yet I know right now times are tough, and many are looking at loans to supplement cash flow and get them through this. Please be careful, a loan is a big commitment and you will need to be able to make monthly repayments. Always minimise the amount and repay as quickly as you can. If in doubt, don't do it. But if it's the only option, this type of loan's better than payday. If you're already struggling with debt, don't borrow more, instead read our? Debt Help?guide." LOWEST LOAN RATES FOR ?3,000-?15,000 Important:?Some lenders ask that you apply via our eligibility calc, not direct We've agreed to remove direct links to most lenders from this email. Instead, where possible you'll be directed to our?Loans Eligibility Calc ?to see your acceptance odds, minimising applications and protecting your credit score. Some lenders requested this so only those more likely to be accepted will actually click the 'apply' button, reducing demand and enquiry calls, as they're already over capacity and need to prioritise coronavirus help for vulnerable people. LOAN RATE & PROVIDER HOW TO APPLY ? ?7,500-?15,000 ? 2.8% rep APR - Cahoot 2.9% rep APR - Yorkshire Bank, Clydesdale, MBNA,?TSB ? Apply via our?eligibility calc ? ?5,000-?7,499 ? 3.4% rep APR - Tesco Bank ? Apply (not in eligibility calc) ? 3.5% rep APR - Yorkshire Bank, Clydesdale, MBNA,?Hitachi ? Apply via our?eligibility calc ? ?3,000-?4,999 ? 8.5% rep APR -?Hitachi ? Apply via our?eligibility calc ? 8.5% rep APR -?Tesco Bank ? Apply?(not in eligibility calc) ? ? Lowest rates below ?3,000.?It's likely to be cheaper to do a money transfer, where you get a credit card to pay cash into your bank account, so you owe it instead, but at 0% (you pay a 3-4% fee of the amount shifted). But if a loan is right for you (eg, you need longer than 24mths to pay), check your chances of getting a sub-?3k loan via the Loans Eligibility Calc, via which you can also apply. ? Beware, all personal loan rates are 'representative APR'.?This means ONLY 51% of those accepted need to get the advertised rate - others may be charged more. Yet you're usually only told the rate after application, so once accepted, ALWAYS check it. Even our eligibility calc currently has to work with rep APRs ( though we're working to change that), so a high acceptance chance doesn't always mean a cheap rate. ? Loan Golden Rules.?Full info & options in Cheap Personal Loans (APR Examples). a) Minimise the amount you borrow and repay as quickly as possible. b) Pay on time (preferably by direct debit) or you may get a charge and a missed payment on your credit report. c) If you're getting a loan to pay off credit cards, a balance transfer may be cheaper. ? 15 ways to keep fit for free without a gym - incl yoga, cardio apps & kids' fitness.?See?keep fit at home. SUCCESS OF THE WEEK: "Made a 5-min call about?student loan overpayments?and was told I was due ?939. So easy and the money was in my account within a few days. Thank you." (Send us yours on this or any topic.) 12 'healthy' ready meals delivered for ?30 (norm ?35) + more deliv & takeaway deals.?How to eat in for less. ? CAMPAIGN OF THE WEEK Help collect donations for the Trussell Trust foodbank network. During this challenging time, foodbanks need extra volunteers to collect donations from supermarkets, sort and pack items in warehouses and make deliveries to the people in greatest need. Find out how you can help those in crisis where you live. ? THIS WEEK'S POLL How are you finding staying at home under lockdown? The UK's in lockdown after the Government closed schools, pubs, restaurants, gyms and more, and issued a strict directive for everyone to stay in and work from home where possible. How are you finding life under lockdown so far? Line of Duty is your favourite TV box set. Last week, we asked you to pick your favourite TV box sets. 4,000 of you voted and Line of Duty?came top, with 21% of you picking the twisty drama as one of your top three - more than any other. Other homegrown shows also proved popular - despite only making up 31% of the list, UK productions picked up 41% of the votes. See full TV poll results. ? ? MONEYSAVING NEWS - Top story: Rent-to-own retailer Brighthouse collapses - Next, River Island and TK Maxx stop taking online orders - Carluccio's slumps into administration - Amigo Loans suspends most new lending due to coronavirus ? ? MONEY MORAL DILEMMA Should I be shopping online during the coronavirus lockdown??Since the Government told people to stay at home, I've been shopping online - admittedly at times for non-essential items - which obviously helps the economy and keeps retailers in business. But would it be more helpful not to shop online, to reduce the risk of exposing stores' warehouse workers, delivery drivers etc to coronavirus? Enter the Money Moral Maze: Should I be shopping online during the lockdown? | Suggest an MMD | View past MMDs THE QUICKIES - Debt-Free Wannabe chat of the week:?The value of building an emergency fund - Competitions thread of the week:?Weber BBQ or Smeg appliances - Old-Style board thread of the week:?Bookworms 2020 - Motoring thread of the week:?Car battery during lockdown - Discussion of the week:?Cross Stitch & Craft Caf? 2020 ? This week's top deals Virtual tours - Eg, Machu Picchu, volcanoes, Disney rides Gruum - Hair & body wash set ?12 delivered (norm ?20ish) Keep fit for free - Incl yoga, cardio apps, kids' fitness Online quizzes - How to find free 'virtual' pub quizzes Soulful Foods - 12 ready meals for ?30 delivered (norm ?35) NHS freebies & discounts Glasses Direct - Free ?20 glasses for NHS staff Headspace - Free mindfulness app subscription Leon - 50% off takeaway food NCP car parks - Free parking for key workers Uber Eats - Free ?10 food delivery for NHS staff Free streaming Amazon Prime Video - Trick for free TV & films for a month Apple TV+ - Free trial for seven days Disney+ - Free seven-day trial WWE Network - Free streaming incl every WrestleMania Theatre - Incl One Man, Two Guvnors with James Corden Quick Forum Tips Free classic video games, eg, Pac-Man.?In 8-bits Stand-up comedy downloads for ?1 donation. Sits and giggles Free coffee sample that brews like tea. Cofftea ? ? MSE TEAM BLOG - How to keep fit for free while staying at home via YouTube, Instagram Live, apps & more - Where to find a virtual pub quiz while you're stuck at home - there's one for every night of the week DEALS HUNTER BLOG - Free virtual globe-trotting, tours & experiences ? ? ? MARTIN'S APPEARANCES (WED 1 APR ONWARDS) Wed 1 Apr?- LBC, Nick Ferrari, 8.50am Thu 2 Apr?- This Morning, phone-in, ITV, 10.55am Thu 2 Apr?- The Martin Lewis Money Show - Coronavirus Special, ITV, 8pm Mon 6 Apr?- This Morning, phone-in, ITV, 10.55am Mon 6 Apr?- BBC Radio 5 Live, Ask Martin Lewis, 12.15pm. Listen again MSE TEAM APPEARANCES (SUBJECTS TBC) Wed 1 Apr - BBC CWR, Breakfast with Phil Upton, from 8.30am, Katie Watts Wed 1 Apr - BBC WM, Caroline Martin, from 1.10pm, Katie Watts Thu 2 Apr - BBC Radio Devon, Afternoons with Michael Chequer, from 2.30pm, Katie Watts Fri 3 Apr?- BBC Radio Devon, Afternoons with Michael Chequer, from 2.30pm, Katie Watts Mon 6 Apr?- BBC Radio Manchester, Drive with Phil Trow, from 2.25pm ? BICARBONATE OF SODA AND WHITE VINEGAR: YOUR TOP CLEANING HACKS That's it for this week, but before we go... with many passing the time while stuck indoors by doing a deep?spring clean, you've been sharing your cleaning hacks using items you've already got at home.?Old-style favourites such as using bicarbonate of soda or white vinegar to shift grease and scrubbing away limescale with a 2p coin are still proving popular, while many parents will likely agree with the tip to get the kids involved now they're off school.?Share your tips in our? 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