From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 11:22:35 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:22:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
Message-ID: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>

Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.

I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a 
different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up -



+++++++++++++

Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift 
card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to 
her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.


Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com )

Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )


I owe you alot

Thanks
Cliff

++++++++++++++++++

Hi Cliff

You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?

Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I 
spend on her Amazon voucher?

B

+++++++++++++++


On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
Yes

I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but ?I 
can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from 
any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.

Kindly let me know if you can handle this.

Thanks
Cliff
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
*To:* Clifford White <cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
*Subject:* Message
Hi Cliff

I got your message - how can I help?

cheers

B
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From cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 11:58:34 2020
From: cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com (Cliff White)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:58:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bernie
O.M.G!!  I am so sorry!  That is my other email address, and it has
been hacked.  I don't know how, when or why, because I haven't opened
any suspicious emails or links, and I have MacAfee anti-virus, which
should have stopped this!.
It's obviously a scam to get money out of people, so I can only
apologise to you and anyone else who may be in my address book for
that account.
As to what can be done about it, I would be very grateful for any help
or information.
Kind regards
Cliff

On 6/1/20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.
>
> I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a
> different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up -
>
>
>
> +++++++++++++
>
> Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift
> card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to
> her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.
>
>
> Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com )
>
> Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )
>
>
> I owe you alot
>
> Thanks
> Cliff
>
> ++++++++++++++++++
>
> Hi Cliff
>
> You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?
>
> Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I
> spend on her Amazon voucher?
>
> B
>
> +++++++++++++++
>
>
> On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
> Yes
>
> I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but ?I
> can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from
> any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.
>
> Kindly let me know if you can handle this.
>
> Thanks
> Cliff
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
> *To:* Clifford White <cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Message
> Hi Cliff
>
> I got your message - how can I help?
>
> cheers
>
> B
>


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 12:02:23 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:02:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <97879731-3898-4254-9DB6-3909AE51524C@gmail.com>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
	<97879731-3898-4254-9DB6-3909AE51524C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e09136ef-c5db-e715-3742-0e3dfc3fe8cf@gmail.com>

Yes, it wasn't via tech1, just a rather naive scam.

B



On 01/06/2020 17:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
> OK, I?ve just had a message from this scammer as well. Direct to my inbox, not via tech1
>
> No intention of replying
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> graeme.greywall at gmail.com
>
>
>
>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.
>>
>> I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up  -
>>
>>   
>>
>> +++++++++++++
>>
>> Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.
>>
>>
>> Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com )
>>
>> Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )
>>
>>   
>> I owe you alot
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cliff
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> Hi Cliff
>>
>> You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?
>>
>> Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I spend on her Amazon voucher?
>>
>> B
>>
>> +++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
>> Yes
>>
>> I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but  I can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.
>>
>> Kindly let me know if you can handle this.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cliff
>> From: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
>> To: Clifford White <cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> Subject: Message
>>   
>> Hi Cliff
>>
>> I got your message - how can I help?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> B
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 12:03:50 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 18:03:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
	<CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6111081-fe20-817c-65ca-f345c985d408@ntlworld.com>

Don't worry, these things happen. On a dull afternoon I was interested 
in how it was going to work out

B



On 01/06/2020 17:58, Cliff White wrote:
> Hello Bernie
> O.M.G!!  I am so sorry!  That is my other email address, and it has
> been hacked.  I don't know how, when or why, because I haven't opened
> any suspicious emails or links, and I have MacAfee anti-virus, which
> should have stopped this!.
> It's obviously a scam to get money out of people, so I can only
> apologise to you and anyone else who may be in my address book for
> that account.
> As to what can be done about it, I would be very grateful for any help
> or information.
> Kind regards
> Cliff
>
> On 6/1/20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.
>>
>> I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a
>> different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up -
>>
>>
>>
>> +++++++++++++
>>
>> Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift
>> card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to
>> her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.
>>
>>
>> Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com )
>>
>> Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )
>>
>>
>> I owe you alot
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cliff
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> Hi Cliff
>>
>> You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?
>>
>> Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I
>> spend on her Amazon voucher?
>>
>> B
>>
>> +++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
>> Yes
>>
>> I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but ?I
>> can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from
>> any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.
>>
>> Kindly let me know if you can handle this.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Cliff
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
>> *To:* Clifford White <cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
>> *Subject:* Message
>> Hi Cliff
>>
>> I got your message - how can I help?
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> B
>>

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From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Jun  1 15:28:25 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2020 20:28:25 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <NLkNTDor8xbkrUC46wvJnf3efVkyLYM3KEfcDyQVYEkzuQVg7y8Zm_PAsRVZoMTfQlL5MCH8Ato3Yf24pfFE81_1V5tiw6rNjE06c5Ml-zE=@protonmail.com>

How interesting, I've just had the same email from a Cliff White I've never heard of, but to my private email address. I assumed it was likely to be a scam of some form so simply ignored it. Thank you for following up on our behalf and winkling out the purpose of the scam. All with a guilty conscience can send me an Amazon token too!

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.

??????? Original Message ???????
On Monday, 1 June 2020 17:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.
>
> I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up  -
>
> +++++++++++++
>
> Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.
>
> Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com )
>
> Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )
>
> I owe you alot
>
> Thanks
> Cliff
>
> ++++++++++++++++++
>
> Hi Cliff
>
> You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?
>
> Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I spend on her Amazon voucher?
>
> B
>
> +++++++++++++++
>
> On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
> Yes
>
> I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but  I can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.
>
> Kindly let me know if you can handle this.
>
> Thanks
> Cliff
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> From: Bernard Newnham [<bernie833 at gmail.com>](mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com)
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
> To: Clifford White [<cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>](mailto:cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk)
> Subject: Message
>
> Hi Cliff
>
> I got your message - how can I help?
>
> cheers
>
> B
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 01:31:32 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 07:31:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Topics 3
Message-ID: <8697a8d0-b8fd-2419-af7c-5e22a896b693@gmail.com>

Hi Everyone,

The latest edition of a selection of your emails is now published:

Topics 3 - The Coronavirus Issue

on the Tech Ops website:


http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2020/06/topics-3-the-coronavirus-issue/


Enjoy!


(PS apologies if this is a repeat sending - I am not sure if the first 
one got through (I don't see my sent emails!))

-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502



From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Tue Jun  2 06:27:16 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:27:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <f6111081-fe20-817c-65ca-f345c985d408@ntlworld.com>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
	<CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f6111081-fe20-817c-65ca-f345c985d408@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <266FB086-DFF3-402A-AA25-F81030EE0BE3@vincent68.plus.com>

Trouble is some people do fall for this stuff!

John V

Sent from my iPad

> On 1 Jun 2020, at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Don't worry, these things happen. On a dull afternoon I was interested in how it was going to work out
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
>> On 01/06/2020 17:58, Cliff White wrote:
>> Hello Bernie
>> O.M.G!!  I am so sorry!  That is my other email address, and it has
>> been hacked.  I don't know how, when or why, because I haven't opened
>> any suspicious emails or links, and I have MacAfee anti-virus, which
>> should have stopped this!.
>> It's obviously a scam to get money out of people, so I can only
>> apologise to you and anyone else who may be in my address book for
>> that account.
>> As to what can be done about it, I would be very grateful for any help
>> or information.
>> Kind regards
>> Cliff
>> 
>> On 6/1/20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.
>>> 
>>> I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a
>>> different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> +++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift
>>> card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to
>>> her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com )
>>> 
>>> Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I owe you alot
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Cliff
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> Hi Cliff
>>> 
>>> You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?
>>> 
>>> Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I
>>> spend on her Amazon voucher?
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> +++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
>>> Yes
>>> 
>>> I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but  I
>>> can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from
>>> any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.
>>> 
>>> Kindly let me know if you can handle this.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Cliff
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
>>> *To:* Clifford White <cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
>>> *Subject:* Message
>>> Hi Cliff
>>> 
>>> I got your message - how can I help?
>>> 
>>> cheers
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 06:44:26 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:44:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <266FB086-DFF3-402A-AA25-F81030EE0BE3@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
	<CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f6111081-fe20-817c-65ca-f345c985d408@ntlworld.com>
	<266FB086-DFF3-402A-AA25-F81030EE0BE3@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <eac5d69e-c562-d51a-a6f4-eb383bb67e4d@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Sadly, that's true.

However...

I have a subscription scheme that is aimed at preventing this terrible 
fraud, and protecting the vulnerable. If you email me I'll send you the 
scheme account details and you can pay in a monthly fee of ?550 (incl 
VAT). I will arrange to filter all your emails and other IT 
communications - I'll need your IP address, login and passwords - and 
provide guaranteed 24/7 protection against any fraudulent on-line 
activity. In addition, if you provide me with your bank account details 
(including password and memorable data), I can add an additional layer 
of protection against credit card fraud too.

Chris Woolf, trading as Scam-U-Like

;}



On 02/06/2020 12:27, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote:
> Trouble is some people do fall for this stuff!
>
> John V
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 1 Jun 2020, at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>> Don't worry, these things happen. On a dull afternoon I was 
>> interested in how it was going to work out
>>
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/06/2020 17:58, Cliff White wrote:
>>> Hello Bernie
>>> O.M.G!!  I am so sorry!  That is my other email address, and it has
>>> been hacked.  I don't know how, when or why, because I haven't opened
>>> any suspicious emails or links, and I have MacAfee anti-virus, which
>>> should have stopped this!.
>>> It's obviously a scam to get money out of people, so I can only
>>> apologise to you and anyone else who may be in my address book for
>>> that account.
>>> As to what can be done about it, I would be very grateful for any help
>>> or information.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Cliff
>>>
>>> On 6/1/20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>> Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.
>>>>
>>>> I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a
>>>> different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up -
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> +++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift
>>>> card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to
>>>> her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Her E-mail (e.a.caroll at outlook.com  )
>>>>
>>>> Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I owe you alot
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Cliff
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>> Hi Cliff
>>>>
>>>> You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?
>>>>
>>>> Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I
>>>> spend on her Amazon voucher?
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>> +++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
>>>> Yes
>>>>
>>>> I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but ?I
>>>> can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from
>>>> any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.
>>>>
>>>> Kindly let me know if you can handle this.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Cliff
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Bernard Newnham<bernie833 at gmail.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
>>>> *To:* Clifford White<cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
>>>> *Subject:* Message
>>>> Hi Cliff
>>>>
>>>> I got your message - how can I help?
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  2 08:13:02 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:13:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <266FB086-DFF3-402A-AA25-F81030EE0BE3@vincent68.plus.com>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
	<CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f6111081-fe20-817c-65ca-f345c985d408@ntlworld.com>
	<266FB086-DFF3-402A-AA25-F81030EE0BE3@vincent68.plus.com>
Message-ID: <5f5640d4-a83c-8227-03a7-14e1f89a1f6c@gmail.com>

Here is how the exchange ended, read from bottom up -

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

It seems an odd thing. Here you are online talking to me using a browser 
based email, asking me to buy a voucher via a browser, which you could 
do direct. How old are you?? Maybe 12?

++++++++++++++++++++++++

On 01/06/2020 17:31, Cliff White wrote:
I will send the money as soon as I get back home?Let me know if you are 
done with the card.OK

Thanks


------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>
How will you send me the money?

B

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

On 01/06/2020 17:19, Cliff White wrote:

Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift 
card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to 
her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.

Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com <mailto:e.a.caroll at outlook.com> )

Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )

I owe you alot

Thanks
Cliff
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jun  2 08:18:10 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 13:18:10 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <eac5d69e-c562-d51a-a6f4-eb383bb67e4d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
	<CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f6111081-fe20-817c-65ca-f345c985d408@ntlworld.com>
	<266FB086-DFF3-402A-AA25-F81030EE0BE3@vincent68.plus.com>,
	<eac5d69e-c562-d51a-a6f4-eb383bb67e4d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351B431CDB517BD52B166CFA78B0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Chris,
I have two email accounts, the second one used solely for banking, savings, and Premium Bonds. Any chance of a BOGOF?
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 2 Jun 2020, at 12:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Sadly, that's true.

However...

I have a subscription scheme that is aimed at preventing this terrible fraud, and protecting the vulnerable. If you email me I'll send you the scheme account details and you can pay in a monthly fee of ?550 (incl VAT). I will arrange to filter all your emails and other IT communications - I'll need your IP address, login and passwords - and provide guaranteed 24/7 protection against any fraudulent on-line activity. In addition, if you provide me with your bank account details (including password and memorable data), I can add an additional layer of protection against credit card fraud too.

Chris Woolf, trading as Scam-U-Like

;}



On 02/06/2020 12:27, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote:
Trouble is some people do fall for this stuff!

John V

Sent from my iPad

On 1 Jun 2020, at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Don't worry, these things happen. On a dull afternoon I was interested in how it was going to work out

B



On 01/06/2020 17:58, Cliff White wrote:

Hello Bernie
O.M.G!!  I am so sorry!  That is my other email address, and it has
been hacked.  I don't know how, when or why, because I haven't opened
any suspicious emails or links, and I have MacAfee anti-virus, which
should have stopped this!.
It's obviously a scam to get money out of people, so I can only
apologise to you and anyone else who may be in my address book for
that account.
As to what can be done about it, I would be very grateful for any help
or information.
Kind regards
Cliff

On 6/1/20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.

I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a
different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up -



+++++++++++++

Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift
card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to
her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.


Her E-mail ( e.a.caroll at outlook.com<mailto:e.a.caroll at outlook.com> )

Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )


I owe you alot

Thanks
Cliff

++++++++++++++++++

Hi Cliff

You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?

Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I
spend on her Amazon voucher?

B

+++++++++++++++


On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
Yes

I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but  I
can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from
any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.

Kindly let me know if you can handle this.

Thanks
Cliff
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com><mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
*To:* Clifford White <cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk><mailto:cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
*Subject:* Message
Hi Cliff

I got your message - how can I help?

cheers

B



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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jun  2 08:24:34 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 14:24:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Welcome back!
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351B431CDB517BD52B166CFA78B0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <92245295-a0dc-d6e6-6a18-4725147a2449@gmail.com>
	<CAAGL8CvDLmsOM1ZeExUf=YTaYF2mhj18nr5620xwva0y5UimaA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f6111081-fe20-817c-65ca-f345c985d408@ntlworld.com>
	<266FB086-DFF3-402A-AA25-F81030EE0BE3@vincent68.plus.com>
	<eac5d69e-c562-d51a-a6f4-eb383bb67e4d@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<VI1P189MB0351B431CDB517BD52B166CFA78B0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <6f57c40d-78c4-fd54-d681-d44c65da0e02@chriswoolf.co.uk>

Dear Nick,

Is that you or me that BOG OFF should apply to;}

Chris


On 02/06/2020 14:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> I have two email accounts, the second one used solely for banking, 
> savings, and Premium Bonds. Any chance of a BOGOF?
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 12:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Sadly, that's true.
>>
>> However...
>>
>> I have a subscription scheme that is aimed at preventing this 
>> terrible fraud, and protecting the vulnerable. If you email me I'll 
>> send you the scheme account details and you can pay in a monthly fee 
>> of ?550 (incl VAT). I will arrange to filter all your emails and 
>> other IT communications - I'll need your IP address, login and 
>> passwords - and provide guaranteed 24/7 protection against any 
>> fraudulent on-line activity. In addition, if you provide me with your 
>> bank account details (including password and memorable data), I can 
>> add an additional layer of protection against credit card fraud too.
>>
>> Chris Woolf, trading as Scam-U-Like
>>
>> ;}
>>
>>
>>
>> On 02/06/2020 12:27, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Trouble is some people do fall for this stuff!
>>>
>>> John V
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 18:03, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don't worry, these things happen. On a dull afternoon I was 
>>>> interested in how it was going to work out
>>>>
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 01/06/2020 17:58, Cliff White wrote:
>>>>> Hello Bernie
>>>>> O.M.G!!  I am so sorry!  That is my other email address, and it has
>>>>> been hacked.  I don't know how, when or why, because I haven't opened
>>>>> any suspicious emails or links, and I have MacAfee anti-virus, which
>>>>> should have stopped this!.
>>>>> It's obviously a scam to get money out of people, so I can only
>>>>> apologise to you and anyone else who may be in my address book for
>>>>> that account.
>>>>> As to what can be done about it, I would be very grateful for any help
>>>>> or information.
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Cliff
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  wrote:
>>>>>> Welcome back after the 48 hour lockdown when the politics filter tripped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm having an ongoing conversation with Cliff White - presumably a
>>>>>> different Cliff to the one on this list. Read from the bottom up -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for getting back to me, Please i want you to get 1 Amazon gift
>>>>>> card of ?100 and if you are getting it online you can send the card to
>>>>>> her e-mail; directly and let me know once you do OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Her E-mail (e.a.caroll at outlook.com  )
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message to her ( From Sweet Aunty White )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I owe you alot
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Cliff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Cliff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're very lucky to be able to travel at this time - where are you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tell me more about your problem. Where is your niece? How much should I
>>>>>> spend on her Amazon voucher?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> +++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01/06/2020 16:31, Cliff White wrote:
>>>>>> Yes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to get an Amazon gift card for my Niece, It's her birthday but ?I
>>>>>> can't do this now because I'm currently traveling.Can you get it from
>>>>>> any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as i am back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kindly let me know if you can handle this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Cliff
>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> *From:* Bernard Newnham<bernie833 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 1, 2020 3:12 PM
>>>>>> *To:* Clifford White<cliffwhite27 at hotmail.co.uk>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Message
>>>>>> Hi Cliff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I got your message - how can I help?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  2 15:35:34 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 20:35:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] The Chase Continues
References: <685365992.2951379.1591130135049.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <685365992.2951379.1591130135049@mail.yahoo.com>

Time for Chapter Twenty-One of ?"Gothic by Gaslight", entitled "Things Are Not What They Seem". You may have already realised this, if you've managed to finish Chapter 20. But have you solved all the puzzles yet?
Meanwhile, the Orient Express continues to gallop across the Austro-Hungarian Empire, heading for the Balkans, and the dark, sinister forests of the Carpathian Mountains.
luv, Rog.
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Thu Jun  4 04:11:08 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:11:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Susie Dent's words of the day
Message-ID: <000201d63a50$15d6ed50$4184c7f0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Susie Dent's three words of the day:-

 

Some noises of protest from the past: 

 

Fremescence: a growing murmur of dissatisfaction. 

Conclamation: a united roar of disapproval. 

Exsibilation: hissing a poor performer off the stage.

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From gary_critcher at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 05:30:33 2020
From: gary_critcher at yahoo.com (Gary Critcher)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:30:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
In-Reply-To: <594941508.946745.1590956796930@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <594941508.946745.1590956796930.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<594941508.946745.1590956796930@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1155636591.4488353.1591266633246@mail.yahoo.com>


? Shocking as I know it is, but one of you gentlemen last year gave me a scrapbook of photographs taken at hillclimbs in the late 60's and early 70's.
? I'm am now over three quarters through writing and designing my second book and will be including a selection of these pictures in it.I would like to give a public 'thank you' in the book to the person who gave them to me, along with a free copy once we get it printed.If only.............I could remember who it was!

?? Whoever it was, PLEASE drop me a line!
Thanks all!??????? Gary C
  
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 09:50:01 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 15:50:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walkies!
Message-ID: <418907d8-fe74-0a63-3625-9a764edf5c20@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Chester came to spend the day with us today, and during the morning he 
made it clear that he wanted to go for a walk, right NOW!

We went to Woolhampton, setting off the towpath from the Rowbarge pub.

At this point, the Kennet and Avon Canal is officially the Kennet 
Navigation - this being a term for the works to make a river navigable, 
partly by deepening and widening the river itself, but partly by 
building stretches of canal to avoid meanders, cascades and shallows.

Here is the River Kennet where once again it joins the canal cut:


Then onto lock 93? Heale's Lock - a rise of 8 feet 11 inches


and of course, a photo of Chester: he has had a haircut since the last walk:


On the way back (we went as far as the lock cottages), there was a boat 
in Heale's' Lock.? I said to the boatman that I did not expect there to 
be any traffic on the Navigation.? He replied that they are to be 
allowed to start moving next Saturday, so he was jumping the gun a little.

He said that he had been in lockdown since NOVEMBER!?? At that time, the 
River Kennet was in spate, and was so fast-flowing that there were 
dangerous currents: boats had been told to moor,? Then the restriction 
on movement because of the state of the river was lifted: he cast off, 
went through Woolhampton Lock and then got an email telling him to moor 
immediately because of movement restrictions due to the coronavirus. His 
job seemed to be dealing with watercraft - doing up interiors sort of 
thing - and he had lost a whole year because of the various lockdowns.

Because there are a number of occupational crossings across the railway 
along this stretch of the canal, I got a bit of a warning (Sound 
Whistle) of an approaching stone train: Still didn't get the front of 
the loco!



-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jun  4 10:11:05 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:11:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walkies!
In-Reply-To: <418907d8-fe74-0a63-3625-9a764edf5c20@gmail.com>
References: <418907d8-fe74-0a63-3625-9a764edf5c20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d6f91793-c4c0-f4e1-be8c-6c163e79b0b7@btinternet.com>

I think that you also deserve a nice walk after all your hard work 
collating all our ramblings (in print)! Cheers, Dave

On 04/06/2020 15:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Chester came to spend the day with us today, and during the morning he 
> made it clear that he wanted to go for a walk, right NOW!
>
> We went to Woolhampton, setting off the towpath from the Rowbarge pub.
>
> At this point, the Kennet and Avon Canal is officially the Kennet 
> Navigation - this being a term for the works to make a river 
> navigable, partly by deepening and widening the river itself, but 
> partly by building stretches of canal to avoid meanders, cascades and 
> shallows.
>
> Here is the River Kennet where once again it joins the canal cut:
>
>
> Then onto lock 93? Heale's Lock - a rise of 8 feet 11 inches
>
>
> and of course, a photo of Chester: he has had a haircut since the last 
> walk:
>
>
> On the way back (we went as far as the lock cottages), there was a 
> boat in Heale's' Lock.? I said to the boatman that I did not expect 
> there to be any traffic on the Navigation.? He replied that they are 
> to be allowed to start moving next Saturday, so he was jumping the gun 
> a little.
>
> He said that he had been in lockdown since NOVEMBER!?? At that time, 
> the River Kennet was in spate, and was so fast-flowing that there were 
> dangerous currents: boats had been told to moor,? Then the restriction 
> on movement because of the state of the river was lifted: he cast off, 
> went through Woolhampton Lock and then got an email telling him to 
> moor immediately because of movement restrictions due to the 
> coronavirus. His job seemed to be dealing with watercraft - doing up 
> interiors sort of thing - and he had lost a whole year because of the 
> various lockdowns.
>
> Because there are a number of occupational crossings across the 
> railway along this stretch of the canal, I got a bit of a warning 
> (Sound Whistle) of an approaching stone train: Still didn't get the 
> front of the loco!
>
>
>
> -- 
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Jun  4 10:14:30 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2020 16:14:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
In-Reply-To: <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890@mx.google.com>
References: <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <587b63995ddavesound@btinternet.com>

Just to say thanks once more, Pat. I set it as a daily quiz over 10 days
on my local Whatsapp friends group, and was much appreciated.

I've got one for you all. A London station.

CSO goes wrong.    


In article <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Here?s a Quiz a friend sent. The answers are all London Underground or Overground stations.
> (I cheated by downloading the tube map, which has a compete list!) Still couldn?t get four, though.
> It?s a Word doc so you can type in the answers.
> Well it?ll occupy you for a while during lockdown.
> Pat


> Sent from Mail for Windows 10



> -- 
> This

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 10:22:40 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:22:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walkies!
In-Reply-To: <418907d8-fe74-0a63-3625-9a764edf5c20@gmail.com>
References: <418907d8-fe74-0a63-3625-9a764edf5c20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6fc2bfe6-87cf-0147-a20f-846703f8b276@ntlworld.com>

Pretty pictures!

Last week they let private fliers into the air again. On Saturday the 
map at https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/
was covered in light aircraft, with very few airliners. A strange picture!

B


<https://tar1090.adsbexchange.com/>
On 04/06/2020 15:50, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jun  4 10:26:24 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:26:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hill Climbing!
Message-ID: <bc86ce8c-dbde-06ce-0df7-897f6677de40@btinternet.com>

It must have been one of SGB's biggest rigs! Cheers, Dave

I've linked 1 file to this email:
Hill climbing!.mp4 
<https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjr0ha8njousoz1/Hill%20climbing%21.mp4?dl=0>(16.5 
MB)Dropbox 
<https://www.dropbox.com/>https://www.dropbox.com/s/bjr0ha8njousoz1/Hill%20climbing%21.mp4?dl=0
Mozilla Thunderbird <https://www.thunderbird.net> makes it easy to share 
large files over email.


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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jun  5 03:39:51 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 08:39:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] A Quiz
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 You've got me at now - Stations in the London Area -
1: Alpine Chalet2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced3: Dachshund ?4: Near Armada5: The Wicked One of the West6: Virginity7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
8: Make them Jealous9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
10: Not an Earth Closet
11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)12: Anger
And finding I couldn't stop - and was getting sillier -
x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festivaly: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountingsz: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
luv, Rog.

    On Thursday, 4 June 2020, 16:15:10 BST, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Just to say thanks once more, Pat. I set it as a daily quiz over 10 days
on my local Whatsapp friends group, and was much appreciated.

I've got one for you all. A London station.

CSO goes wrong.? ? 


In article <5ec3fcf8.1c69fb81.4e447.0890 at mx.google.com>,
? patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Here?s a Quiz a friend sent. The answers are all London Underground or Overground stations.
> (I cheated by downloading the tube map, which has a compete list!) Still couldn?t get four, though.
> It?s a Word doc so you can type in the answers.
> Well it?ll occupy you for a while during lockdown.
> Pat


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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Fri Jun  5 10:48:01 2020
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:48:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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'Twas I Gary,

The book belonged to my flatmate the late Bob McFarlane. We used to 
visit mainly Prescot and Shelsley Walsh. 'Mac' took most of the photos, 
I contributed a few mainly involving motorcycle engines. All the photos 
were taken by us so there shouldn't be any copyright problems.

Mac died on 7th. May 1974 aged 30.? He was a cameraman on (I think), 
Pete Ware's crew.


I'm looking forward to seeing your book,

Regards,

John Howell.





On 04/06/2020 11:30, Gary Critcher via Tech1 wrote:
>
> ? Shocking as I know it is, but one of you gentlemen last year gave me 
> a scrapbook of photographs taken at hillclimbs in the late 60's and 
> early 70's.
>
> ? I'm am now over three quarters through writing and designing my 
> second book and will be including a selection of these pictures in it.
> I would like to give a public 'thank you' in the book to the person 
> who gave them to me, along with a free copy once we get it printed.
> If only.............I could remember who it was!
>
>
> ?? Whoever it was, PLEASE drop me a line!
>
> Thanks all!
> ??????? Gary C
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun  5 11:58:24 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:58:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quiz3 Whatever
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Hello everyone,
It may be that not everyone got the ?second? Underground Station quiz.
So here it is again.
The first one, which seemed to be well received, was titled Quiz2, as that was how it came to me.
Quiz3 Whatever is the second one, and Rog has compiled another of 12 clues, which I can send out later. This will be Quiz4.
Carry on Puzzling!
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun  5 13:21:04 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 19:21:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Susie Dent's words of the day
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I love Susie Dent, I watch ? Cats doing Countdown?, she is so demure, and apparently immune to some of the really awful language uttered by the panellists.
Wonder what her take on this would be:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/what-the-fuck/


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Susie Dent?s three words of the day:-

Some noises of protest from the past: 

Fremescence: a growing murmur of dissatisfaction. 
Conclamation: a united roar of disapproval. 
Exsibilation: hissing a poor performer off the stage.



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From techtone at protonmail.com  Fri Jun  5 14:14:27 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 19:14:27 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.

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From doug at puddifoot.me  Fri Jun  5 15:15:05 2020
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 21:15:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob McFarlane
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I was on Bob's crew when he went into hospital to have a mole removed from his back. A later biopsy revealed it to be malignant.
Unfortunately they did not take the necessary precautions during the op, and it released cancer cells into his bloodstream, and he died around six months later. A very sad, and avoidable loss.

Doug

On 5 June 2020, at 20:14, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.


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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jun  5 15:59:02 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Gothic by Gaslight
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Time for Chapter 22 of "Gothic by Gaslight". Only two more to go.
Out heroes have arrived at their destination, as have our villains. They are in Transylvania, the Carpathian Mountains, near the Borgo Pass. "There's no Castle near here," say the locals. Obviously they are unaware that they are in a horror story. I mean, you've got to have a Castle in a gothic, horror story - especially when you're in the Carpathian Mountain, near the Borgo Pass.
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  6 02:57:53 2020
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Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 07:57:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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 A picture featuring Bob McFarlane, when he was on Ken Major's crew. outside Riverside 'Studio 3', 1967.


luv, Rog.

    On Friday, 5 June 2020, 20:14:59 BST, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.

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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Jun  6 04:24:24 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 09:24:24 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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?Which one is Bob? Shockingly, although I recognise all the faces, the only one I can actually name in this pic is Dave D. I must be losing the plot!

By the way, in my rebellious youth, my clergyman Dad used to say ?If you can?t believe in God, and Life Eternal (etc), just carry the thought that after we depart this life we live on in the minds and memories of those we leave behind?. Here?s proof of that, and it?s nice to think that Bob?s photos might mean something to someone after we?re all gone.
Keep taking photos!

Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 6 Jun 2020, at 08:58, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
A picture featuring Bob McFarlane, when he was on Ken Major's crew. outside Riverside 'Studio 3', 1967.

[Inline image]

luv, Rog.


On Friday, 5 June 2020, 20:14:59 BST, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun  6 04:58:18 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:58:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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Fifth from the left Nick.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:24 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.

?Which one is Bob? Shockingly, although I recognise all the faces, the only one I can actually name in this pic is Dave D. I must be losing the plot!

By the way, in my rebellious youth, my clergyman Dad used to say ?If you can?t believe in God, and Life Eternal (etc), just carry the thought that after we depart this life we live on in the minds and memories of those we leave behind?. Here?s proof of that, and it?s nice to think that Bob?s photos might mean something to someone after we?re all gone.
Keep taking photos!

Cheers, N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


  On 6 Jun 2020, at 08:58, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  A picture featuring Bob McFarlane, when he was on Ken Major's crew. outside Riverside 'Studio 3', 1967.




  luv, Rog.


  On Friday, 5 June 2020, 20:14:59 BST, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 


  Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.


  TeaTeaFN - Tony


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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  6 06:16:18 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:16:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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Second from right, in lighter jacket: John Corby?

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 06 June 2020 10:59
To: Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.

Fifth from the left Nick.
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:24 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
?
?Which one is Bob? Shockingly, although I recognise all the faces, the only one I can actually name in this pic is Dave D. I must be losing the plot!
?
By the way, in my rebellious youth, my clergyman Dad used to say ?If you can?t believe in God, and Life Eternal (etc), just carry the thought that after we depart this life we live on in the minds and memories of those we leave behind?. Here?s proof of that, and it?s nice to think that Bob?s photos might mean something to someone after we?re all gone.
Keep taking photos!

Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


On 6 Jun 2020, at 08:58, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
A picture featuring Bob McFarlane, when he was on Ken Major's crew. outside Riverside 'Studio 3', 1967.
?

?
luv, Rog.
?
?
On Friday, 5 June 2020, 20:14:59 BST, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 
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?
Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.
?
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  6 07:57:51 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 12:57:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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 Left to Right -
Camera Side - John Smith, Ken Major (pre-beard), Stewart Lindley, Brian White (then nicknamed 'Black Jake', now clean shaven), Bob McFarlane, me (when I had hair).Sound Side - John Hayes, Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, John Corby, Eddy Brandon.
Apologies for any inaccurate spellings - I never did get the hang of spelling!luv, Rog.
    On Saturday, 6 June 2020, 10:59:26 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Fifth from the left Nick.?Dave Newbitt.?From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:24 AMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.??Which one is Bob? Shockingly, although I recognise all the faces, the only one I can actually name in this pic is Dave D. I must be losing the plot!?By the way, in my rebellious youth, my clergyman Dad used to say ?If you can?t believe in God, and Life Eternal (etc), just carry the thought that after we depart this life we live on in the minds and memories of those we leave behind?. Here?s proof of that, and it?s nice to think that Bob?s photos might mean something to someone after we?re all gone.Keep taking photos!
Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 6 Jun 2020, at 08:58, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



 ?   A picture featuring Bob McFarlane, when he was on Ken Major's crew. outside Riverside 'Studio 3', 1967. ? 
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Sat Jun  6 08:18:52 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
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Photo taken by the lovely Dave Hedden

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 06 June 2020 13:58
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.

 

Left to Right -

 

Camera Side - John Smith, Ken Major (pre-beard), Stewart Lindley, Brian White (then nicknamed 'Black Jake', now clean shaven), Bob McFarlane, me (when I had hair).

Sound Side - John Hayes, Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, John Corby, Eddy Brandon.

 

Apologies for any inaccurate spellings - I never did get the hang of spelling!

luv, Rog.

 

On Saturday, 6 June 2020, 10:59:26 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote: 

 

 

Fifth from the left Nick.

 

Dave Newbitt.

 

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 

Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:24 AM

To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.

 

?Which one is Bob? Shockingly, although I recognise all the faces, the only one I can actually name in this pic is Dave D. I must be losing the plot!

 

By the way, in my rebellious youth, my clergyman Dad used to say ?If you can?t believe in God, and Life Eternal (etc), just carry the thought that after we depart this life we live on in the minds and memories of those we leave behind?. Here?s proof of that, and it?s nice to think that Bob?s photos might mean something to someone after we?re all gone.

Keep taking photos!


Cheers, N.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5





On 6 Jun 2020, at 08:58, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? 

A picture featuring Bob McFarlane, when he was on Ken Major's crew. outside Riverside 'Studio 3', 1967.

 



 

luv, Rog.

 

 

On Friday, 5 June 2020, 20:14:59 BST, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote: 

 

 

Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.

 

TeaTeaFN - Tony

 

 

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sat Jun  6 08:52:25 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 14:52:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures.
Message-ID: <bu3lq13xaexhx7ejj31bx8ul.1591451545881@email.android.com>

Ah, it is you, Rog. Wasn't sure.??VernSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 06/06/2020  13:57  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb pictures. 
        Left to Right -Camera Side - John Smith, Ken Major (pre-beard), Stewart Lindley, Brian White (then nicknamed 'Black Jake', now clean shaven), Bob McFarlane, me (when I had hair).Sound Side - John Hayes, Dave Denness, Keith Bowden, John Corby, Eddy Brandon.Apologies for any inaccurate spellings - I never did get the hang of spelling!luv, Rog.
        
        
            
                
                
                    On Saturday, 6 June 2020, 10:59:26 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
                
                
                
                


Fifth from the left Nick.
?
Dave Newbitt.


?

From: Nick 
Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 10:24 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Scrapbook; hillclimb 
pictures.
?

?Which one is Bob? Shockingly, although I recognise all the faces, 
the only one I can actually name in this pic is Dave D. I must be losing the 
plot!
?
By the way, in my rebellious youth, my clergyman Dad used to say 
?If you can?t believe in God, and Life Eternal (etc), just carry the thought 
that after we depart this life we live on in the minds and memories of those we 
leave behind?. Here?s proof of that, and it?s nice to think that Bob?s photos 
might mean something to someone after we?re all gone.
Keep taking photos!
Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 6 Jun 2020, at 08:58, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
  <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  ? 
  
  
  A picture featuring Bob McFarlane, when he 
  was on Ken Major's crew. outside Riverside 'Studio 3', 1967.
  ?
  
  ?
  luv, Rog.
  ?
  ?
  
  
  On Friday, 5 June 2020, 20:14:59 BST, techtone via Tech1 
  <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 
  ?
  ?
  
  
  
  Yes, Bob McFarlane was a cameraman, and sadly, to my knowledge, he died 
  of skin cancer, I suspect that it was malignant melanoma. I worked alongside 
  him many times, although I can never remember which crew at the time, and I 
  enjoyed his off-beat sense of humour.
  ?
  TeaTeaFN - Tony
  ?
  
  ?
  Sent with 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 02:57:13 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 08:57:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where's Camera 1? Working from home...
Message-ID: <28f555d5-c2d6-4ae4-618b-fc9066e6cf97@gmail.com>

Hi All,

Did you see "Peter Crouch - Save Our Summer?"? Episode 1 on Saturday?

Remote operated, tracked cameras as per the News studio.





I've seen programmes shot this way in Italy when on holidays (remember 
them?)? - for many years, Mediaset's channel 5 early evening game shows 
have used remote cameras like this, but may be this is a first for a 
prime time BBC show?

I have thought for many years that programmes like "Pointless" could be 
shot this way - my wife and I went to see "Pointless" being recorded 
some years back, and the cameras - standard peds with camerapersons - 
hardly twitched during the whole recording!

If this carries on, Roger will have to update "Cameraman - the Movie"


Oh, and by the way:? when I gave my talk tot he RSME about television in 
the 1960s-1980s, i mentioned that the Mole Crane was over eighteen feet 
long. One of the guys interrupted with "Blimey, that's nearly as long as 
this clubhouse!"


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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 05:10:39 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 11:10:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where's Camera 1? Working from home...
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In article <28f555d5-c2d6-4ae4-618b-fc9066e6cf97 at gmail.com>,
   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I have thought for many years that programmes like "Pointless" could be 
> shot this way - my wife and I went to see "Pointless" being recorded 
> some years back, and the cameras - standard peds with camerapersons - 
> hardly twitched during the whole recording!

I thought they used some form of arm - as you often see the shadow
clearing across their main screen tower. Which for some reason annoys me.
Likely because it looks like a boom arm shadow.

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 05:48:45 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 11:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Where's Camera 1? Working from home...
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Oh blimey - that's going back a bit!? Roger's 'Cameraman' superhero strip cartoon in Zerb, with his 2001-on-a-ped ray gun!Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 08/06/2020  08:57  (GMT+00:00) To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: [Tech1] Where's Camera 1?
    If this carries on, Roger will have to update "Cameraman - the
      Movie"
    
    
    
    
  
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 06:31:54 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 11:31:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
1: Alpine Chalet? ? Swiss Cottage
2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced? ? Golders Green
3: Dachshund ?? ? Houndslow
4: Near Armada? ? Byfleet
5: The Wicked One of the West? ? Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
6: Virginity? ? Maidenhead
7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
? ? Charing Cross
8: Make them Jealous? ? Turnham Green
9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
? ? Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
10: Not an Earth Closet
? ? Waterloo
11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)? ? Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
12: Anger? ? Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)

?- and was getting sillier -
x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival? ? Mudchute
y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings? ? Heron Quays
z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything? ? Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)

And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 06:43:56 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 12:43:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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Not all in London either!

Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?? ("....... Woking , Worpleston and 
Guildford")

B



On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues 
> about London Stations
>
> 1: Alpine Chalet
> /? Swiss Cottage/
> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
> /Golders Green/
> 3: Dachshund ?
> /Houndslow/
> 4: Near Armada
> /Byfleet/
> 5: The Wicked One of the West
> /Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)/
> 6: Virginity
> /Maidenhead/
> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
> /Charing Cross/
> 8: Make them Jealous
> /Turnham Green/
> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
> /Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)/
> 10: Not an Earth Closet
> /Waterloo/
> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
> /Heathrow Terminal 4 /(For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica 
> is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if 
> you don't look too closely.)
> 12: Anger
> /Crossness/ (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to 
> be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping 
> Station!)
>
> ?- and was getting sillier -
>
> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
> /Mudchute/
> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
> /Heron Quays/
> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
> /Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)/
>
> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - /Mornington 
> Crescent/ - I win!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Jun  8 06:56:12 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 12:56:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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There isn't a station called Houndslow.

There are alternatives - Hounslow East, Hounslow Central, and Hounslow West.

But then, nobody likes a smart a*se.....

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 8 Jun 2020, at 12:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
> 
> 1: Alpine Chalet
>     Swiss Cottage
> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>     Golders Green
> 3: Dachshund ?
>     Houndslow
> 4: Near Armada
>     Byfleet
> 5: The Wicked One of the West
>     Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
> 6: Virginity
>     Maidenhead
> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>     Charing Cross
> 8: Make them Jealous
>     Turnham Green
> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>     Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
> 10: Not an Earth Closet
>     Waterloo
> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>     Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
> 12: Anger
>     Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)
> 
>  - and was getting sillier -
> 
> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>     Mudchute
> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>     Heron Quays
> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>     Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)
> 
> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun  8 07:51:58 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 13:51:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Quiz 4 and Answers
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Hi Rog,
Think you have gone a wee bit off piste with the non-London ones, so before I render the Quiz to my circle of friends, I have changed the name of the quiz and put in a rider that they are not necessarily tube/overground stations and not all in London area!
I expanded your 12 to make up 20 as per the earlier puzzles.
Attached is this version ? the answers are made invisible in white text. To reveal, highlight the cells and select a new colour for the text.
Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: ROGER BUNCE
Sent: 08 June 2020 12:32
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat; Patheigham
Subject: Answers

O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations

1: Alpine Chalet
? ? Swiss Cottage
2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
? ? Golders Green
3: Dachshund ?
? ? Houndslow
4: Near Armada
? ? Byfleet
5: The Wicked One of the West
? ? Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
6: Virginity
? ? Maidenhead
7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
? ? Charing Cross
8: Make them Jealous
? ? Turnham Green
9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
? ? Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
10: Not an Earth Closet
? ? Waterloo
11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
? ? Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
12: Anger
? ? Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)

?- and was getting sillier -

x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
? ? Mudchute
y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
? ? Heron Quays
z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
? ? Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)

And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!

luv, Rog.




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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 08:03:05 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 13:03:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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 I claim no geographic expertise, but Google maps shows a Houndslow Station, on the non-tube railway network, in addition to the tube stations you've mentioned.
Bonus trivia question -?
Where on the London tube network can you travel through the largest number of consecutive station, which all begin with the same letter?
Answer - On the S.W, end of the Piccadilly Line - The 3 Hounslows, followed by Hatton Cross, then the Heathrow Terminals, and then, because it forms a loop, you can continue back through Hatton Cross and the 3 Houndslows again!
luv, Rog.
    On Monday, 8 June 2020, 12:56:20 BST, Alasdair Lawrance <alawrance1 at me.com> wrote:  
 
 There isn't a station called Houndslow.
There are alternatives - Hounslow East, Hounslow Central, and Hounslow West.
But then, nobody likes a smart a*se.....

Alasdair Lawrance
Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.




On 8 Jun 2020, at 12:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



?O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
1: Alpine Chalet? ? Swiss Cottage
2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced? ? Golders Green
3: Dachshund ?? ? Houndslow
4: Near Armada? ? Byfleet
5: The Wicked One of the West? ? Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
6: Virginity? ? Maidenhead
7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
? ? Charing Cross
8: Make them Jealous? ? Turnham Green
9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
? ? Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
10: Not an Earth Closet
? ? Waterloo
11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)? ? Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
12: Anger? ? Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)

?- and was getting sillier -
x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival? ? Mudchute
y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings? ? Heron Quays
z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything? ? Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)

And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 08:11:46 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 13:11:46 +0000 (UTC)
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 O.K. "Point Near Armada" = West Byfleet
I only included it for you, Bernie.How about "Functioning but not Right" = Working minus R = Woking.
Your turn. Invent one for Worpleson!
I count "London Area" in the loosest possible sense.
luv, Rog.
    On Monday, 8 June 2020, 12:44:31 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
  Not all in London either!? 
 
 Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?? ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")
 
 B
 
 
 
 On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
  
 
            O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations 
  1: Alpine Chalet ? ? Swiss Cottage
  2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced ? ? Golders Green
  3: Dachshund ? ? ? Houndslow
  4: Near Armada ? ? Byfleet
  5: The Wicked One of the West ? ? Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
  6: Virginity ? ? Maidenhead
  7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
  ? ? Charing Cross
  8: Make them Jealous ? ? Turnham Green
  9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
  ? ? Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
  10: Not an Earth Closet
  ? ? Waterloo
  11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel) ? ? Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
  12: Anger ? ? Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)
  
  ?- and was getting sillier - 
  x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival ? ? Mudchute
  y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings ? ? Heron Quays
  z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything ? ? Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)
  
  And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win! 
  luv, Rog. 
              
  
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 08:15:41 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 13:15:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Where's Camera 1? Working from home...
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 Pay attention, Vern. There has been the full-colour motion picture since then!




Cameraman the Movie


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    On Monday, 8 June 2020, 11:46:54 BST, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Oh blimey - that's going back a bit!? Roger's 'Cameraman' superhero strip cartoon in Zerb, with his 2001-on-a-ped ray gun!


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> On 8 Jun 2020, at 12:56, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> There isn't a station called Houndslow.
> 
> There are alternatives - Hounslow East, Hounslow Central, and Hounslow West.
> 
> But then, nobody likes a smart a*se.....
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8 Jun 2020, at 12:34, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
>> 
>> 1: Alpine Chalet
>>     Swiss Cottage
>> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>     Golders Green
>> 3: Dachshund ?
>>     Houndslow
>> 4: Near Armada
>>     Byfleet
>> 5: The Wicked One of the West
>>     Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
>> 6: Virginity
>>     Maidenhead
>> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>     Charing Cross
>> 8: Make them Jealous
>>     Turnham Green
>> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>     Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
>> 10: Not an Earth Closet
>>     Waterloo
>> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>     Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>> 12: Anger
>>     Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>> 
>>  - and was getting sillier -
>> 
>> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>     Mudchute
>> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>     Heron Quays
>> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>     Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)
>> 
>> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 08:28:19 2020
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Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 15:28:19 +0200
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun  8 08:33:10 2020
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And I thought it was a clever play on words!
Pat

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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
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To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
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I claim no geographic expertise, but Google maps shows a Houndslow Station, on the non-tube railway network, in addition to the tube stations you've mentioned.




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun  8 08:41:44 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:41:44 +0100
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I had Gallions Reach for your Armada one!

Challenge accepted:
Educated romantically interested single co-worker

Pat

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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
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O.K. "Point Near Armada" = West Byfleet

Your turn. Invent one for Worpleson!




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun  8 08:57:25 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:57:25 +0100
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That is so very,very good!!
Pat


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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
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Pay attention, Vern. There has been the full-colour motion picture since then!





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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 09:26:54 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:26:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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 I think we both spelled it wrong, should have been 'Worplesdon'.
So, 'Quixote attracted by conflict' = War Pulls Don ?

    On Monday, 8 June 2020, 14:28:34 BST, nick at nickway.co.uk <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Male offspring of a Bridle Path - Worple son!

Best

Nick WAY
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Sent from my Android phone with 1&1 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.On 08/06/2020, 17:11 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
    O.K. "Point Near Armada" = West Byfleet   
   I only included it for you, Bernie.   How about "Functioning but not Right" = Working minus R =  Woking.   
   Your turn. Invent one for Worpleson!   
   I count "London Area" in the loosest possible sense.   
   luv, Rog.   
      On Monday, 8 June 2020, 12:44:31 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:   
   
     Not all in London either!? 
 
 Byfleet  and New Haw or West Byfleet ?? ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")
 
 B
 
 
  
   On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: 
  
 
                  O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations   
   1: Alpine Chalet   ? ? Swiss Cottage 
   2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced   ? ? Golders Green 
   3: Dachshund ?   ? ? Houndslow 
   4: Near Armada   ? ? Byfleet 
   5: The Wicked One of the West   ? ? Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch) 
   6: Virginity   ? ? Maidenhead 
   7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job 
   ? ? Charing Cross 
   8: Make them Jealous   ? ? Turnham Green 
   9: Electrician who took Holy Orders 
   ? ? Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!) 
   10: Not an Earth Closet 
   ? ? Waterloo 
   11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)   ? ?  Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.) 
   12: Anger   ? ?  Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!) 
   
   ?- and was getting sillier -   
   x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival   ? ? Mudchute 
   y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings   ? ? Heron Quays 
   z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything   ? ? Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All) 
   
   And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!   
   luv, Rog.   
              
 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 09:29:42 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 15:29:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the
authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign
tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to
be in London (not that I approve!).
KW

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Not all in London either!
>
> Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and
> Guildford")
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>
> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues
> about London Stations
>
> 1: Alpine Chalet
>   *  Swiss Cottage*
> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>     *Golders Green*
> 3: Dachshund ?
>     *Houndslow*
> 4: Near Armada
>     *Byfleet*
> 5: The Wicked One of the West
>     *Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)*
> 6: Virginity
>     *Maidenhead*
> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>     *Charing Cross*
> 8: Make them Jealous
>     *Turnham Green*
> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>     *Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)*
> 10: Not an Earth Closet
>     *Waterloo*
> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>    * Heathrow Terminal 4 *(For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica
> is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you
> don't look too closely.)
> 12: Anger
>    * Crossness* (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to
> be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping
> Station!)
>
>  - and was getting sillier -
>
> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>     *Mudchute*
> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>     *Heron Quays*
> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>     *Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)*
>
> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - *Mornington
> Crescent* - I win!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
>
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun  8 09:54:18 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 15:54:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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I?m not sure that there are many tourists to fool concerning Kidlington / Oxford / London airport.  The only scheduled passenger flights from there used to be a few flights to Jersey and I don?t think they even do those flights any more.   The place is primarily used for commercial pilot training these days and as such has a hell of a lot of flights taking off or landing  most days, but many of them just fly around for a bit and then land back at Kidlington again. 

As a kid, I used to live quite close to there and often used to cycle over to see what was there.  It always used to have an interesting variety of aircraft. 

Alan Taylor

> On 8 Jun 2020, at 15:30, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
> KW
> 
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Not all in London either!  
>> 
>> Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
>>> 
>>> 1: Alpine Chalet
>>>     Swiss Cottage
>>> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>>     Golders Green
>>> 3: Dachshund ?
>>>     Houndslow
>>> 4: Near Armada
>>>     Byfleet
>>> 5: The Wicked One of the West
>>>     Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
>>> 6: Virginity
>>>     Maidenhead
>>> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>>     Charing Cross
>>> 8: Make them Jealous
>>>     Turnham Green
>>> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>>     Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
>>> 10: Not an Earth Closet
>>>     Waterloo
>>> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>>     Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>>> 12: Anger
>>>     Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>>> 
>>>  - and was getting sillier -
>>> 
>>> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>>     Mudchute
>>> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>>     Heron Quays
>>> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>>     Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)
>>> 
>>> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
>>> 
>>> luv, Rog.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Mon Jun  8 09:56:12 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (nick at nickway.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 16:56:12 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jun  8 10:42:32 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 15:42:32 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
In-Reply-To: <1861826433.1792416.1591626414661@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <trinity-da2a08ce-d9a1-4bc0-ae18-92210777d6a1-1591622899488@msvc-mesg-eue005>,
	<1861826433.1792416.1591626414661@mail.yahoo.com>
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Ok, try this one: lines.vital.manliness
Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 Jun 2020, at 15:29, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I think we both spelled it wrong, should have been 'Worplesdon'.

So, 'Quixote attracted by conflict' = War Pulls Don ?


On Monday, 8 June 2020, 14:28:34 BST, nick at nickway.co.uk <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:


Male offspring of a Bridle Path - Worple son!

Best

Nick WAY
--
Sent from my Android phone with 1&1 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On 08/06/2020, 17:11 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
O.K. "Point Near Armada" = West Byfleet

I only included it for you, Bernie.
How about "Functioning but not Right" = Working minus R = Woking.

Your turn. Invent one for Worpleson!

I count "London Area" in the loosest possible sense.

luv, Rog.

On Monday, 8 June 2020, 12:44:31 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


Not all in London either!

Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")

B



On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations

1: Alpine Chalet
    Swiss Cottage
2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
    Golders Green
3: Dachshund ?
    Houndslow
4: Near Armada
    Byfleet
5: The Wicked One of the West
    Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
6: Virginity
    Maidenhead
7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
    Charing Cross
8: Make them Jealous
    Turnham Green
9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
    Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
10: Not an Earth Closet
    Waterloo
11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
    Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
12: Anger
    Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)

 - and was getting sillier -

x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
    Mudchute
y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
    Heron Quays
z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
    Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)

And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!

luv, Rog.



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jun  8 10:56:12 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 16:56:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
In-Reply-To: <CAA=qGJkyz6Epzx8RJTrJaC3=d9GOzTj5poAPqk7cXkg+WRtVWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1821748134.1568051.1591615914673.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1821748134.1568051.1591615914673@mail.yahoo.com>
	<0d294555-6427-f74a-1aa9-bb6e7c76d9aa@gmail.com>
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Another one to totally confuse aliens is Watford Gap services on the M1 
which is nowhere near Watford! Cheers, Dave

O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
> Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by 
> the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool 
> foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could 
> now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
> KW
>
> On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     Not all in London either!
>
>     Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?? ("....... Woking ,
>     Worpleston and Guildford")
>
>     B
>
>
>
>     On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>     O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic
>>     clues about London Stations
>>
>>     1: Alpine Chalet
>>     /? Swiss Cottage/
>>     2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>     /Golders Green/
>>     3: Dachshund ?
>>     /Houndslow/
>>     4: Near Armada
>>     /Byfleet/
>>     5: The Wicked One of the West
>>     /Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)/
>>     6: Virginity
>>     /Maidenhead/
>>     7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>     /Charing Cross/
>>     8: Make them Jealous
>>     /Turnham Green/
>>     9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>     /Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)/
>>     10: Not an Earth Closet
>>     /Waterloo/
>>     11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>     /Heathrow Terminal 4 /(For those not cultivating a rockery - an
>>     Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a
>>     Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>>     12: Anger
>>     /Crossness/ (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had
>>     to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian
>>     Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>>
>>     ?- and was getting sillier -
>>
>>     x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>     /Mudchute/
>>     y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>     /Heron Quays/
>>     z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>     /Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)/
>>
>>     And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' -
>>     /Mornington Crescent/ - I win!
>>
>>     luv, Rog.
>>
>>
>
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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 11:31:07 2020
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 17:31:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
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References: <1821748134.1568051.1591615914673.ref@mail.yahoo.com><1821748134.1568051.1591615914673@mail.yahoo.com><0d294555-6427-f74a-1aa9-bb6e7c76d9aa@gmail.com><CAA=qGJkyz6Epzx8RJTrJaC3=d9GOzTj5poAPqk7cXkg+WRtVWA@mail.gmail.com>
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Lydd Airport near Dungeness in Kent styles itself locally as Lydd Ashford
Airport (its 17 miles from Ashford, Lympne used to be Ashford Airport) and
on signs on the nearest major roads as Lydd London Airport. It has no real
rail link to London, nearest usable is Ashford, single B-road access, and
precious few buses. In Skyways days, after the real Ashford Airport closed
it did the Beauvais route with HS748s. Of course you could get a helicopter
to London, only takes around 30 minutes...

 

Dudley C. Darby

 

 

  _____  

O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:

Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the
authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign
tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to
be in London (not that I approve!).

KW

 

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Not all in London either!  

Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and
Guildford")

B




On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about
London Stations

 

1: Alpine Chalet

    Swiss Cottage

2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced

    Golders Green

3: Dachshund ?

    Houndslow

4: Near Armada

    Byfleet

5: The Wicked One of the West

    Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)

6: Virginity

    Maidenhead

7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job

    Charing Cross

8: Make them Jealous

    Turnham Green

9: Electrician who took Holy Orders

    Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)

10: Not an Earth Closet

    Waterloo

11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)

    Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is
the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't
look too closely.)

12: Anger

    Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be
Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)

 

 - and was getting sillier -

 

x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival

    Mudchute

y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings

    Heron Quays

z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything

    Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)

 

And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington
Crescent - I win!

 

luv, Rog.

 





 

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 11:37:13 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 17:37:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB03513A5FFA21B70E60A1D4CAA7850@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<1861826433.1792416.1591626414661@mail.yahoo.com>
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I'm useless at cryptic clues, but I recognise a what three words when I 
see it -

https://what3words.com/lines.vital.manliness

B



On 08/06/2020 16:42, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Ok, try this one: lines.vital.manliness
> Cheers, N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 8 Jun 2020, at 15:29, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> I think we both spelled it wrong, should have been 'Worplesdon'.
>>
>> So, 'Quixote attracted by conflict' = /War Pulls Don/ ?
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 8 June 2020, 14:28:34 BST, nick at nickway.co.uk 
>> <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Male offspring of a Bridle Path - Worple son!
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Nick WAY
>> --
>> Sent from my Android phone with 1&1 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>> On 08/06/2020, 17:11 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>     O.K. "Point Near Armada" = /West Byfleet/
>>     /
>>     /
>>     I only included it for you, Bernie.
>>     How about "Functioning but not Right" = Working minus R = /Woking./
>>     /
>>     /
>>     Your turn. Invent one for Worpleson!
>>     /
>>     /
>>     I count "London Area" in the loosest possible sense.
>>
>>     luv, Rog.
>>
>>     On Monday, 8 June 2020, 12:44:31 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Not all in London either!
>>
>>     Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?? ("....... Woking ,
>>     Worpleston and Guildford")
>>
>>     B
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>     O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic
>>     clues about London Stations
>>
>>     1: Alpine Chalet
>>     /? Swiss Cottage/
>>     2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>     /Golders Green/
>>     3: Dachshund ?
>>     /Houndslow/
>>     4: Near Armada
>>     /Byfleet/
>>     5: The Wicked One of the West
>>     /Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)/
>>     6: Virginity
>>     /Maidenhead/
>>     7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>     /Charing Cross/
>>     8: Make them Jealous
>>     /Turnham Green/
>>     9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>     /Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)/
>>     10: Not an Earth Closet
>>     /Waterloo/
>>     11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>     /Heathrow Terminal 4 /(For those not cultivating a rockery - an
>>     Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a
>>     Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>>     12: Anger
>>     /Crossness/ (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had
>>     to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian
>>     Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>>
>>     ?- and was getting sillier -
>>
>>     x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>     /Mudchute/
>>     y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>     /Heron Quays/
>>     z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>     /Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)/
>>
>>     And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' -
>>     /Mornington Crescent/ - I win!
>>
>>     luv, Rog.
>>
>>
>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun  8 11:38:01 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 17:38:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
In-Reply-To: <29434932-300f-edc7-bdbe-d70f25807afd@btinternet.com>
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Another bewildering airport name is what used to be known as Finningley, but is now officially known as Robin Hood Doncaster, Sheffield Airport.

Most Brits would associate Robin Hood with Nottingham, but the folk in Doncaster insist that he was a Yorkshire lad who merely visited Sherwood Forest.

Renaming Liverpool as John Lennon airport makes perfect sense, Louis Armstrong airport just has to be in New Orleans, and Salzburg obviously named their airport after Mozart  while Ian Fleming airport in Jamaica is a little bit controversial with the locals. However I think that Doncaster might have done better to rename their airport after a famous local aviator such as Amy Johnson or Douglas Bader, even if they are not as well known internationally as Robin Hood.

My theory is that those tykes might be getting a cunning revenge for somebody building a castle in Kent and having the effrontery to call it Leeds Castle.

Alan Taylor



>>> On 8 Jun 2020, at 16:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>> Another one to totally confuse aliens is Watford Gap services on the M1 which is nowhere near Watford! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>> Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
>> KW
>> 
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Not all in London either!  
>>> 
>>> Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
>>>> 
>>>> 1: Alpine Chalet
>>>>     Swiss Cottage
>>>> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>>>     Golders Green
>>>> 3: Dachshund ?
>>>>     Houndslow
>>>> 4: Near Armada
>>>>     Byfleet
>>>> 5: The Wicked One of the West
>>>>     Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
>>>> 6: Virginity
>>>>     Maidenhead
>>>> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>>>     Charing Cross
>>>> 8: Make them Jealous
>>>>     Turnham Green
>>>> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>>>     Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
>>>> 10: Not an Earth Closet
>>>>     Waterloo
>>>> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>>>     Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>>>> 12: Anger
>>>>     Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>>>> 
>>>>  - and was getting sillier -
>>>> 
>>>> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>>>     Mudchute
>>>> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>>>     Heron Quays
>>>> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>>>     Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)
>>>> 
>>>> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
>>>> 
>>>> luv, Rog.
>>>> 
>>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 11:41:22 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 17:41:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
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For some strange reason it's a pain to see from the air. You know 
exactly where it is, but somehow spacial awareness goes off 2000ft over 
Dungeness - so embarrassing!



On 08/06/2020 17:31, Dudley Darby via Tech1 wrote:
>
> LyddAirport near Dungeness in Kent styles itself locally as Lydd 
> Ashford Airport (its 17 miles from Ashford, Lympne used to be Ashford 
> Airport) and on signs on the nearest major roads as Lydd London 
> Airport. It has no real rail link to London, nearest usable is 
> Ashford, single B-road access, and precious few buses. In Skyways 
> days, after the real Ashford Airport closed it did the Beauvais route 
> with HS748s. Of course you could get a helicopter to London, only 
> takes around 30 minutes...
>
> *Dudley C. Darby*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> KidlingtonAirport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by 
>> the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool 
>> foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford 
>> could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
>>
>> KW
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Not all in London either!
>>
>>     Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ? ("....... Woking ,
>>     Worpleston and Guildford")
>>
>>     B
>>
>>
>>     On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>>     O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic
>>>     clues about London Stations
>>>
>>>     1: Alpine Chalet
>>>
>>>     /? Swiss Cottage/
>>>
>>>     2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>>
>>>     /Golders Green/
>>>
>>>     3: Dachshund ?
>>>
>>>     /Houndslow/
>>>
>>>     4: Near Armada
>>>
>>>     /Byfleet/
>>>
>>>     5: The Wicked One of the West
>>>
>>>     /Greenwich//(i.e. Green Witch)/
>>>
>>>     6: Virginity
>>>
>>>     /Maidenhead/
>>>
>>>     7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>>
>>>     /Charing Cross/
>>>
>>>     8: Make them Jealous
>>>
>>>     /Turnham Green/
>>>
>>>     9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>>
>>>     /Canons//Park//(i.e. Canon Spark!)/
>>>
>>>     10: Not an Earth Closet
>>>
>>>     /Waterloo/
>>>
>>>     11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>>
>>>     /Heathrow Terminal 4 /(For those not cultivating a rockery - an
>>>     Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a
>>>     Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>>>
>>>     12: Anger
>>>
>>>     /Crossness/ (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they
>>>     had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian
>>>     Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>>>
>>>     ?- and was getting sillier -
>>>
>>>     x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>>
>>>     /Mudchute/
>>>
>>>     y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>>
>>>     /Heron Quays/
>>>
>>>     z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>>
>>>     /Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)/
>>>
>>>     And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' -
>>>     /Mornington Crescent/ - I win!
>>>
>>>     luv, Rog.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 16:41:55 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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?

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 Jun 2020, at 17:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I'm useless at cryptic clues, but I recognise a what three words when I see it -

https://what3words.com/lines.vital.manliness

B



On 08/06/2020 16:42, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
Ok, try this one: lines.vital.manliness
Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 Jun 2020, at 15:29, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I think we both spelled it wrong, should have been 'Worplesdon'.

So, 'Quixote attracted by conflict' = War Pulls Don ?


On Monday, 8 June 2020, 14:28:34 BST, nick at nickway.co.uk<mailto:nick at nickway.co.uk> <nick at nickway.co.uk><mailto:nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:


Male offspring of a Bridle Path - Worple son!

Best

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On 08/06/2020, 17:11 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
O.K. "Point Near Armada" = West Byfleet

I only included it for you, Bernie.
How about "Functioning but not Right" = Working minus R = Woking.

Your turn. Invent one for Worpleson!

I count "London Area" in the loosest possible sense.

luv, Rog.

On Monday, 8 June 2020, 12:44:31 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


Not all in London either!

Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")

B



On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations

1: Alpine Chalet
    Swiss Cottage
2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
    Golders Green
3: Dachshund ?
    Houndslow
4: Near Armada
    Byfleet
5: The Wicked One of the West
    Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
6: Virginity
    Maidenhead
7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
    Charing Cross
8: Make them Jealous
    Turnham Green
9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
    Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
10: Not an Earth Closet
    Waterloo
11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
    Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
12: Anger
    Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)

 - and was getting sillier -

x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
    Mudchute
y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
    Heron Quays
z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
    Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)

And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!

luv, Rog.



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun  8 11:47:28 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 17:47:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
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Explains the ?gap?
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 08 June 2020 16:56
To: Keith Wicks; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mis-names

Another one to totally confuse aliens is Watford Gap services on the M1 which is nowhere near Watford! Cheers, Dave



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jun  8 12:19:33 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:19:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
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As a Doncaster born tyke I thought I might chime in with my pennyworth of input! The Robin Hood element of the airport name was dropped in 2016 so now the official title is just Doncaster Sheffield Airport (though the Robin Hood graphic still seems to feature for some reason).

Of course there is the Robin Hood Gate into Richmond Park (with the attendant Robin Hood roundabout on the A3) which might upset the Nottingham lads a bit. Dear old Robin seems to pop up all over the country. I agree with Alan though that there is more than enough in the distinguished history of aviation in Doncaster to have provided stronger and more meaningful association names.

My Granny Newbitt lived in a house overlooking the original aerodrome and the St Ledger course. No good news ever seems to come out of Doncaster any more. A far cry from the 1960?s when, per head of population, more cash flowed through the tills of the towns retail premises than anywhere else in the country. My own parents house was in Hexthorpe, home of the Mallard, the Flying Scotsman and innumerable other memorable locomotives. Now all just a memory as is the once proud history of so many industrial and mining towns.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:38 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mis-names

Another bewildering airport name is what used to be known as Finningley, but is now officially known as Robin Hood Doncaster, Sheffield Airport.

Most Brits would associate Robin Hood with Nottingham, but the folk in Doncaster insist that he was a Yorkshire lad who merely visited Sherwood Forest.

Renaming Liverpool as John Lennon airport makes perfect sense, Louis Armstrong airport just has to be in New Orleans, and Salzburg obviously named their airport after Mozart  while Ian Fleming airport in Jamaica is a little bit controversial with the locals. However I think that Doncaster might have done better to rename their airport after a famous local aviator such as Amy Johnson or Douglas Bader, even if they are not as well known internationally as Robin Hood.

My theory is that those tykes might be getting a cunning revenge for somebody building a castle in Kent and having the effrontery to call it Leeds Castle.

Alan Taylor




  On 8 Jun 2020, at 16:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Another one to totally confuse aliens is Watford Gap services on the M1 which is nowhere near Watford! Cheers, Dave


  O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:

    Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
    KW

    On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

      Not all in London either!  

      Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")

      B




      On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

        O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations

        1: Alpine Chalet
            Swiss Cottage

        2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
            Golders Green

        3: Dachshund ?
            Houndslow

        4: Near Armada
            Byfleet

        5: The Wicked One of the West
            Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)

        6: Virginity
            Maidenhead

        7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job

            Charing Cross

        8: Make them Jealous
            Turnham Green

        9: Electrician who took Holy Orders

            Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)

        10: Not an Earth Closet

            Waterloo

        11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
           Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)

        12: Anger
           Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)


        - and was getting sillier -

        x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
            Mudchute

        y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
            Heron Quays

        z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
            Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)


        And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!

        luv, Rog.


         


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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun  8 12:31:53 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:31:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Answers
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If you search What Three Words for   Cowboy.Drops.Work  , it takes you to the original TVC reception desk.  For the OB chappies, Shots.Danger.Above  pinpoints the offices at Kendal Avenue.

I quite like the fact that the patio in my garden is on an area defined by Broadcast.Movies.( and a third word omitted to avoid publicly pinpointing my place ).

Alan Taylor

>> On 8 Jun 2020, at 17:37, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ? 
> I'm useless at cryptic clues, but I recognise a what three words when I see it -
> 
> https://what3words.com/lines.vital.manliness
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 08/06/2020 16:42, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Ok, try this one: lines.vital.manliness
>> Cheers, N.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 8 Jun 2020, at 15:29, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> ?
>>> I think we both spelled it wrong, should have been 'Worplesdon'.
>>> 
>>> So, 'Quixote attracted by conflict' = War Pulls Don ?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Monday, 8 June 2020, 14:28:34 BST, nick at nickway.co.uk <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Male offspring of a Bridle Path - Worple son!
>>> 
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> Nick WAY
>>> --
>>> Sent from my Android phone with 1&1 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
>>> On 08/06/2020, 17:11 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> O.K. "Point Near Armada" = West Byfleet
>>> 
>>> I only included it for you, Bernie.
>>> How about "Functioning but not Right" = Working minus R = Woking.
>>> 
>>> Your turn. Invent one for Worpleson!
>>> 
>>> I count "London Area" in the loosest possible sense.
>>> 
>>> luv, Rog.
>>> 
>>> On Monday, 8 June 2020, 12:44:31 BST, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Not all in London either!  
>>> 
>>> Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: 
>>> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
>>> 
>>> 1: Alpine Chalet
>>>     Swiss Cottage 
>>> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>>     Golders Green 
>>> 3: Dachshund ?
>>>     Houndslow 
>>> 4: Near Armada
>>>     Byfleet 
>>> 5: The Wicked One of the West
>>>     Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch) 
>>> 6: Virginity
>>>     Maidenhead 
>>> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job 
>>>     Charing Cross 
>>> 8: Make them Jealous
>>>     Turnham Green 
>>> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders 
>>>     Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!) 
>>> 10: Not an Earth Closet 
>>>     Waterloo 
>>> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>>     Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.) 
>>> 12: Anger
>>>     Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!) 
>>> 
>>>  - and was getting sillier -
>>> 
>>> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>>     Mudchute 
>>> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>>     Heron Quays 
>>> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>>     Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All) 
>>> 
>>> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
>>> 
>>> luv, Rog.
>>> 
>>> 
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From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:39:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
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When I lived at Newbury, traffic reports were always mentioning the Robin Hood roundabout at the junction of the original route of the A34 and the A4.  It took it?s name from a pub adjacent to it, but many years ago the group owning the pub renamed it the Harvester, losing out on vast amounts of free name checks. 

Alan Taylor

> On 8 Jun 2020, at 18:19, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> As a Doncaster born tyke I thought I might chime in with my pennyworth of input! The Robin Hood element of the airport name was dropped in 2016 so now the official title is just Doncaster Sheffield Airport (though the Robin Hood graphic still seems to feature for some reason).
>  
> Of course there is the Robin Hood Gate into Richmond Park (with the attendant Robin Hood roundabout on the A3) which might upset the Nottingham lads a bit. Dear old Robin seems to pop up all over the country. I agree with Alan though that there is more than enough in the distinguished history of aviation in Doncaster to have provided stronger and more meaningful association names.
>  
> My Granny Newbitt lived in a house overlooking the original aerodrome and the St Ledger course. No good news ever seems to come out of Doncaster any more. A far cry from the 1960?s when, per head of population, more cash flowed through the tills of the towns retail premises than anywhere else in the country. My own parents house was in Hexthorpe, home of the Mallard, the Flying Scotsman and innumerable other memorable locomotives. Now all just a memory as is the once proud history of so many industrial and mining towns.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:38 PM
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mis-names
>  
> Another bewildering airport name is what used to be known as Finningley, but is now officially known as Robin Hood Doncaster, Sheffield Airport.
>  
> Most Brits would associate Robin Hood with Nottingham, but the folk in Doncaster insist that he was a Yorkshire lad who merely visited Sherwood Forest.
>  
> Renaming Liverpool as John Lennon airport makes perfect sense, Louis Armstrong airport just has to be in New Orleans, and Salzburg obviously named their airport after Mozart  while Ian Fleming airport in Jamaica is a little bit controversial with the locals. However I think that Doncaster might have done better to rename their airport after a famous local aviator such as Amy Johnson or Douglas Bader, even if they are not as well known internationally as Robin Hood.
>  
> My theory is that those tykes might be getting a cunning revenge for somebody building a castle in Kent and having the effrontery to call it Leeds Castle.
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
>  
> 
>> On 8 Jun 2020, at 16:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Another one to totally confuse aliens is Watford Gap services on the M1 which is nowhere near Watford! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
>>> KW
>>>  
>>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Not all in London either!  
>>>> 
>>>> Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations
>>>>>  
>>>>> 1: Alpine Chalet
>>>>>     Swiss Cottage
>>>>> 2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>>>>     Golders Green
>>>>> 3: Dachshund ?
>>>>>     Houndslow
>>>>> 4: Near Armada
>>>>>     Byfleet
>>>>> 5: The Wicked One of the West
>>>>>     Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)
>>>>> 6: Virginity
>>>>>     Maidenhead
>>>>> 7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>>>>     Charing Cross
>>>>> 8: Make them Jealous
>>>>>     Turnham Green
>>>>> 9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>>>>     Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)
>>>>> 10: Not an Earth Closet
>>>>>     Waterloo
>>>>> 11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>>>>    Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>>>>> 12: Anger
>>>>>    Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>>>>>  
>>>>> - and was getting sillier -
>>>>>  
>>>>> x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>>>>     Mudchute
>>>>> y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>>>>     Heron Quays
>>>>> z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>>>>     Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)
>>>>>  
>>>>> And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!
>>>>>  
>>>>> luv, Rog.
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jun  8 12:44:34 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:44:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mis-names
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At the risk of doing a light-hearted post to death, I think this might throw a bit more light on the Robin Hood/Doncaster connection.

https://www.irhb.org/wiki/index.php/Barnsdale_(Doncaster)

Dave Newbitt.

From: David Newbitt via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 6:19 PM
To: Alan Taylor ; Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mis-names

As a Doncaster born tyke I thought I might chime in with my pennyworth of input! The Robin Hood element of the airport name was dropped in 2016 so now the official title is just Doncaster Sheffield Airport (though the Robin Hood graphic still seems to feature for some reason).

Of course there is the Robin Hood Gate into Richmond Park (with the attendant Robin Hood roundabout on the A3) which might upset the Nottingham lads a bit. Dear old Robin seems to pop up all over the country. I agree with Alan though that there is more than enough in the distinguished history of aviation in Doncaster to have provided stronger and more meaningful association names.

My Granny Newbitt lived in a house overlooking the original aerodrome and the St Ledger course. No good news ever seems to come out of Doncaster any more. A far cry from the 1960?s when, per head of population, more cash flowed through the tills of the towns retail premises than anywhere else in the country. My own parents house was in Hexthorpe, home of the Mallard, the Flying Scotsman and innumerable other memorable locomotives. Now all just a memory as is the once proud history of so many industrial and mining towns.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 5:38 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mis-names

Another bewildering airport name is what used to be known as Finningley, but is now officially known as Robin Hood Doncaster, Sheffield Airport.

Most Brits would associate Robin Hood with Nottingham, but the folk in Doncaster insist that he was a Yorkshire lad who merely visited Sherwood Forest.

Renaming Liverpool as John Lennon airport makes perfect sense, Louis Armstrong airport just has to be in New Orleans, and Salzburg obviously named their airport after Mozart  while Ian Fleming airport in Jamaica is a little bit controversial with the locals. However I think that Doncaster might have done better to rename their airport after a famous local aviator such as Amy Johnson or Douglas Bader, even if they are not as well known internationally as Robin Hood.

My theory is that those tykes might be getting a cunning revenge for somebody building a castle in Kent and having the effrontery to call it Leeds Castle.

Alan Taylor




  On 8 Jun 2020, at 16:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Another one to totally confuse aliens is Watford Gap services on the M1 which is nowhere near Watford! Cheers, Dave


  O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:

    Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
    KW

    On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

      Not all in London either!  

      Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?  ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")

      B




      On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

        O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations

        1: Alpine Chalet
            Swiss Cottage

        2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
            Golders Green

        3: Dachshund ?
            Houndslow

        4: Near Armada
            Byfleet

        5: The Wicked One of the West
            Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)

        6: Virginity
            Maidenhead

        7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job

            Charing Cross

        8: Make them Jealous
            Turnham Green

        9: Electrician who took Holy Orders

            Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)

        10: Not an Earth Closet

            Waterloo

        11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
           Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)

        12: Anger
           Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)


        - and was getting sillier -

        x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
            Mudchute

        y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
            Heron Quays

        z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
            Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch  Arse-an'-All)


        And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!

        luv, Rog.


         


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From doug at puddifoot.me  Mon Jun  8 13:13:11 2020
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 19:13:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ashford Airport
Message-ID: <dd5li0jhub4w0bjogr5c1wol.1591639772924@email.android.com>

There used to be a travel agent called Paris Travel Service which had a range of short Paris holidays at very reasonable prices. Their best route was coach from Victoria to Ashford, plane to Beauvais, coach to the centre of Paris. It took about four hours because they were small airports and no delays. I went many times.

Doug

On 8 June 2020, at 17:31, Dudley Darby via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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Lydd Airport near Dungeness in Kent styles itself locally as Lydd Ashford Airport (its 17 miles from Ashford, Lympne used to be Ashford Airport) and on signs on the nearest major roads as Lydd London Airport. It has no real rail link to London, nearest usable is Ashford, single B-road access, and precious few buses. In Skyways days, after the real Ashford Airport closed it did the Beauvais route with HS748s. Of course you could get a helicopter to London, only takes around 30 minutes...

?

Dudley C. Darby

?

?

O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:

Kidlington Airport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).

KW

?

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Not all in London either!? 

Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ?? ("....... Woking , Worpleston and Guildford")

B


On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic clues about London Stations

?

1: Alpine Chalet

? ? Swiss Cottage

2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced

? ? Golders Green

3: Dachshund ?

? ? Houndslow

4: Near Armada

? ? Byfleet

5: The Wicked One of the West

? ? Greenwich (i.e. Green Witch)

6: Virginity

? ? Maidenhead

7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job

? ? Charing Cross

8: Make them Jealous

? ? Turnham Green

9: Electrician who took Holy Orders

? ? Canons Park (i.e. Canon Spark!)

10: Not an Earth Closet

? ? Waterloo

11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)

? ? Heathrow Terminal 4 (For those not cultivating a rockery - an Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a Heather, if you don't look too closely.)

12: Anger

? ? Crossness (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian Sewage-Pumping Station!)

?

?- and was getting sillier -

?

x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival

? ? Mudchute

y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings

? ? Heron Quays

z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything

? ? Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)

?

And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' - Mornington Crescent - I win!

?

luv, Rog.

?



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  9 05:17:37 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 11:17:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Paris Travel Ltd.
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What a coincidence! I also used Paris Travel for their cheap short 
breaks to Paris in either November or February. On the first one I took 
my young daughter on the Lydd/Beauvais route. Then I took my son and the 
next year my in-laws! The method of travel changed over the years and 
ended up with train/hovercraft/train. Before we had the children Doreen 
and I went on a British Rail ?5 'No Passport'? day trip to Paris. It was 
train to Newhaven, crossing to Dieppe, train to Paris arriving at 0600 
in Gare du Nord. We then did all the touristy sights of Paris, including 
a trip to Versailles, back to Gare du Nord, ferry to Newhaven, train to 
London arriving back home in Richmond at 0830 A quick nap and then on 
duty at 1400 in TVC! Those were the days! Cheers, Dave

On 08/06/2020 19:13, Doug Puddifoot via Tech1 wrote:
>
> There used to be a travel agent called Paris Travel Service which had 
> a range of short Paris holidays at very reasonable prices. Their best 
> route was coach from Victoria to Ashford, plane to Beauvais, coach to 
> the centre of Paris. It took about four hours because they were small 
> airports and no delays. I went many times.
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> On 8 June 2020, at 17:31, Dudley Darby via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> LyddAirport near Dungeness in Kent styles itself locally as Lydd 
> Ashford Airport (its 17 miles from Ashford, Lympne used to be Ashford 
> Airport) and on signs on the nearest major roads as Lydd London 
> Airport. It has no real rail link to London, nearest usable is 
> Ashford, single B-road access, and precious few buses. In Skyways 
> days, after the real Ashford Airport closed it did the Beauvais route 
> with HS748s. Of course you could get a helicopter to London, only 
> takes around 30 minutes...
>
> *Dudley C. Darby*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> O n 08/06/2020 15:29, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> KidlingtonAirport became Oxford Airport, and is now referred to by 
>> the authorities there as London Oxford Airport (presumably to fool 
>> foreign tourists). So I suppose that anything nearer than Oxford 
>> could now claim to be in London (not that I approve!).
>>
>> KW
>>
>> On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 at 12:44, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     Not all in London either!
>>
>>     Byfleet and New Haw or West Byfleet ? ("....... Woking ,
>>     Worpleston and Guildford")
>>
>>     B
>>
>>
>>     On 08/06/2020 12:31, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>>     O.K. You've had long enough. Here are the answers to my cryptic
>>>     clues about London Stations
>>>
>>>     1: Alpine Chalet
>>>
>>>     /? Swiss Cottage/
>>>
>>>     2: Mrs. Meir is inexperienced
>>>
>>>     /Golders Green/
>>>
>>>     3: Dachshund ?
>>>
>>>     /Houndslow/
>>>
>>>     4: Near Armada
>>>
>>>     /Byfleet/
>>>
>>>     5: The Wicked One of the West
>>>
>>>     /Greenwich//(i.e. Green Witch)/
>>>
>>>     6: Virginity
>>>
>>>     /Maidenhead/
>>>
>>>     7: Angry about Low-Paid Cleaning Job
>>>
>>>     /Charing Cross/
>>>
>>>     8: Make them Jealous
>>>
>>>     /Turnham Green/
>>>
>>>     9: Electrician who took Holy Orders
>>>
>>>     /Canons//Park//(i.e. Canon Spark!)/
>>>
>>>     10: Not an Earth Closet
>>>
>>>     /Waterloo/
>>>
>>>     11: End of the Erica Line (3rd sequel)
>>>
>>>     /Heathrow Terminal 4 /(For those not cultivating a rockery - an
>>>     Erica is the botanical name for a Heath - a plant a bit like a
>>>     Heather, if you don't look too closely.)
>>>
>>>     12: Anger
>>>
>>>     /Crossness/ (I said they were all Stations. I didn't say they
>>>     had to be Railway Stations! This one is a glorious Victorian
>>>     Sewage-Pumping Station!)
>>>
>>>     ?- and was getting sillier -
>>>
>>>     x: On Location at the Glastonbury Festival
>>>
>>>     /Mudchute/
>>>
>>>     y: Needed to Power-up Camera Mountings
>>>
>>>     /Heron Quays/
>>>
>>>     z: Knitted Lady on a Broomstick, with her Bottom and Everything
>>>
>>>     /Woolwich Arsenal (i.e. Wool-Witch ?Arse-an'-All)/
>>>
>>>     And, of course, 'Lunar Phase following A.M. Heavyweight' -
>>>     /Mornington Crescent/ - I win!
>>>
>>>     luv, Rog.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Tue Jun  9 13:08:17 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (David Buckley)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 18:08:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Prospero latest edition June
References: <833657541.3139583.1591726097762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Any OB staff on this discussion group who receive Prospero, should have a look at page four where a John P Gulliver askes 'why scanner' as the name for an OB television control room?
I've had a look in TELETALK a Dictionary of Broadcasting Terms, published in 1991 by my old TV department - TV Training, and the entry justs says 'general term for mobile control rooms in an outside broadcast'.
I have a feeling that this subject has come up before.
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Jun  9 13:12:53 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:12:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Prospero latest edition June
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I suspect this one will run and run!

Mike

From: David Buckley via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 7:08 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] Prospero latest edition June

Any OB staff on this discussion group who receive Prospero, should have a look at page four where a John P Gulliver askes 'why scanner' as the name for an OB television control room?

I've had a look in TELETALK a Dictionary of Broadcasting Terms, published in 1991 by my old TV department - TV Training, and the entry justs says 'general term for mobile control rooms in an outside broadcast'.

I have a feeling that this subject has come up before.

Regards,

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Jun  9 13:20:03 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:20:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Prospero latest edition June
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The stoy when I was at Evesham (along with Noah!) was that the first ones were adapted from mobile radar scanners. Attached is a photo of one in Aden that was used to track met ballooons when I knew it. 
? 
Graeme Wall



> On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, David Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Any OB staff on this discussion group who receive Prospero, should have a look at page four where a John P Gulliver askes 'why scanner' as the name for an OB television control room?
> 
> I've had a look in TELETALK a Dictionary of Broadcasting Terms, published in 1991 by my old TV department - TV Training, and the entry justs says 'general term for mobile control rooms in an outside broadcast'.
> 
> I have a feeling that this subject has come up before.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 13:21:36 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:21:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why MCRs are called Scanners | The Tech-ops History Site
Message-ID: <CAA0HHB2GBySzmvKYS7BMZejXzSpP0Ub=OLUBTbu67Mj=WdrRgg@mail.gmail.com>

It needn't run and run as it has been discussed here:

http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/why-mcrs-are-called-scanners/


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun  9 14:26:38 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 20:26:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Scanner
In-Reply-To: <A33ADEBC-ADB0-4B1C-AC2A-3C2F97EF6D04@icloud.com>
References: <833657541.3139583.1591726097762.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I favour the derivation from the Intermediate film system for early outside broadcasts. As the equipment in the van ?scanned? the film just after processing, so the name transferred to all-electronic vehicles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_film_system

Pat

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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 09 June 2020 19:20
To: David Buckley
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Prospero latest edition June

On 9 Jun 2020, at 19:08, David Buckley via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

John P Gulliver askes 'why scanner' as the name for an OB?television control room?





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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  9 14:26:40 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 19:26:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Chapter 23
References: <205747606.3221418.1591730800648.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <205747606.3221418.1591730800648@mail.yahoo.com>

So, the time has come for the penultimate chapter of "Gothic by Gaslight", entitled "Night of Nemesis" (Alliteration lives!)
Have you solved all the puzzles yet?
At the end of the last chapter - the great detective had gathered all the suspects into one room . . .Well, you can predict what happens next, can't you? - Yes, it all becomes completely unpredictable.Expect All Hell to be unleashed - dead bodies everywhere - and for the word "Paroxysm" to be used!
Anything can happen in the next 49 pages.

luv, Rog.
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Jun  9 15:26:24 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 20:26:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  Prospero latest edition June
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   ----- Forwarded message ----- From: ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com>To: Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk>Sent: Tuesday, 9 June 2020, 20:42:52 BSTSubject: Re: [Tech1] Prospero latest edition June
  I always understood that the original O.B. trucks were modified from wartime mobile radar units - know as 'Scanners' because they originally had big scanning ariels on the roof.
luv, Rog.
    On Tuesday, 9 June 2020, 19:13:26 BST, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 I suspect this one will run and run!?Mike?From: David Buckley via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 7:08 PMTo: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Prospero latest edition June?Any OB staff on this discussion group who receive Prospero, should have a look at page four where a John P Gulliver askes 'why scanner' as the name for an OB television control room??I've had a look in TELETALK a Dictionary of Broadcasting Terms, published in 1991 by my old TV department - TV Training, and the entry justs says 'general term for mobile control rooms in an outside broadcast'.?I have a feeling that this subject has come up before.?Regards,?Dave Buckley
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun  9 17:13:11 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2020 23:13:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw:  Prospero latest edition June
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This topic came up a number of years ago on UK Broadcast newsgroup. 

Like many others, I had always believed that the term scanner was carried over from wartime radar vehicles and I was told that by senior OB staff in the 1960s. For decades I never suspected that there could have been any other explanation,  however I?m not at all convinced by it these days.

At that time, the guy living over the road from me was a radar engineer from the pioneering days of radar at Worth Matravers.  I asked him about it and he was adamant that the term scanner was rarely used and if it was, it related solely to a rotating dish.  The vehicles were referred to as mobile field stations.  

 I still wasn?t totally convinced, so I did a search on the BBC People?s War site, where people wrote about their WW2 memories.  I suspected that there must have been somebody who did something like stepped out of a scanner to have a pee just as a bomb hit it and would explain that if they had stayed in the scanner, they would have been blown to pieces.  I couldn?t find any mention of scanner in that context in the whole of that site, or anywhere else on the internet using the word scanner in connection with WW2 radar vehicles. 

The convincing snippet of information as far as I was concerned came from a BBC Annual, published in or just before 1939. There was a picture of a BBC MCR and the caption referred to it as the Scanning Vehicle. If I remember correctly, that reference was dug up by one of the KA Comms engineers who attached a copy of that page.

Although the radar explanations seems very plausible and many early video engineers worked on radar systems in the war, the lack of any references to scanners in that context does seem odd if it was truly the general term used for those vehicles, especially as there must have been large numbers of them. The picture in the BBC Annual does seem to be much more plausible and of course predates the invention of radar, so that?s the explanation which I believe ..... unless anybody can come up with a more plausible explanation and back it up with evidence from that time.

Alan Taylor

> On 9 Jun 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> roof.


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From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:12:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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I?m not aware of any MCRs being around prior to the days of ?high definition? 405 line television and doubt that intermediate film processing was ever practical to do on location. Therefore I?m still mystified why the term ?scanning vehicle? was ever used. Obviously the technology was based on scanning a pick up tube and a CRT, but that doesn?t seem a good enough reason to explain naming the truck after it.  

I?m hoping that somebody can post that old picture once again.  I can?t find it online anywhere and didn?t take a copy at the time.

I would think it?s unlikely that there is anybody still alive who operated the Baird system.  Even if they were quite young at that time, they would presumably now be at least 110. Our best hope is to find documents from the time, probably via television history enthusiasts, but as the word ?scanner? was informal jargon, it may not appear in official records.

Alan Taylor 

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 08:36, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Does the term scanner come from the experimental Baird system days when the pictures from an OB had to be scanned by a Nipkow disc in order for it to be copied onto film for instantaneous processing and was the film processing done at the OB site or back at AP? Apparently the scanning of the the picture at one time took place under water during the processing although air bubbles reduced the picture quality.
>  
> This processing van would logically be called the scanner. The system was used for the experimental Derby outside broadcast in 1930 and the pictures sent to places like Stockholm and Paris which is remarkable when you realise that the next overseas OB was Richard Dimbleby's from Calais in August 1950.
>  
> Are any of our retired BBC engineers still around who operated the Baird system? 
>  
> I haven't yet looked but there may be be a mention of a Scanner in the Baird archives.
>  
> Keep safe
> Peter Hider
>  
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 at 11:13 PM
> From: "Alan Taylor via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Prospero latest edition June
> This topic came up a number of years ago on UK Broadcast newsgroup.
> 
> Like many others, I had always believed that the term scanner was carried over from wartime radar vehicles and I was told that by senior OB staff in the 1960s. For decades I never suspected that there could have been any other explanation, however I?m not at all convinced by it these days.
> 
> At that time, the guy living over the road from me was a radar engineer from the pioneering days of radar at Worth Matravers. I asked him about it and he was adamant that the term scanner was rarely used and if it was, it related solely to a rotating dish. The vehicles were referred to as mobile field stations.
> 
> I still wasn?t totally convinced, so I did a search on the BBC People?s War site, where people wrote about their WW2 memories. I suspected that there must have been somebody who did something like stepped out of a scanner to have a pee just as a bomb hit it and would explain that if they had stayed in the scanner, they would have been blown to pieces. I couldn?t find any mention of scanner in that context in the whole of that site, or anywhere else on the internet using the word scanner in connection with WW2 radar vehicles.
> 
> The convincing snippet of information as far as I was concerned came from a BBC Annual, published in or just before 1939. There was a picture of a BBC MCR and the caption referred to it as the Scanning Vehicle. If I remember correctly, that reference was dug up by one of the KA Comms engineers who attached a copy of that page.
> 
> Although the radar explanations seems very plausible and many early video engineers worked on radar systems in the war, the lack of any references to scanners in that context does seem odd if it was truly the general term used for those vehicles, especially as there must have been large numbers of them. The picture in the BBC Annual does seem to be much more plausible and of course predates the invention of radar, so that?s the explanation which I believe ..... unless anybody can come up with a more plausible explanation and back it up with evidence from that time.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> > On 9 Jun 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > roof.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:35:19 +0100
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They did? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_film_system

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 10 04:35:57 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:35:57 +0100
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Hi all,
I posted this link recently, but maybe it got missed.
Seems a possible answer to the ?scanner? question,
Although the film path from the camera atop the vehicle?
through its roof to the developing tank must needs be very light-proof!
Interesting system, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_film_system;

I?m amused at the nomenclature of ?high-definition? used then ? what would those technicians make of today?s hi-def?

Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 10 June 2020 10:12
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.

I?m not aware of any MCRs being around prior to the days of ?high definition? 405 line television and doubt that intermediate film processing was ever practical to do on location. Therefore I?m still mystified why the term ?scanning vehicle? was ever used. Obviously the technology was based on scanning a pick up tube and a CRT, but that doesn?t seem a good enough reason to explain naming the truck after it. ?

I?m hoping that somebody can post that old picture once again. ?I can?t find it online anywhere and didn?t take a copy at the time.

I would think it?s unlikely that there is anybody still alive who operated the Baird system. ?Even if they were quite young at that time, they would presumably now be at least 110. Our best hope is to find documents from the time, probably via television history enthusiasts, but as the word ?scanner? was informal jargon, it may not appear in official records.

Alan Taylor?


On 10 Jun 2020, at 08:36, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com> wrote:
?
Does the term scanner come from the experimental Baird system days when the pictures from an OB had to be scanned by a Nipkow disc in order for it to be copied onto film for instantaneous processing and was the film processing done at the OB site or back at AP? Apparently the scanning of the the picture at one time took place under water during the processing although air bubbles reduced the picture quality.
?
This processing van would logically be called the scanner. The system was used for the experimental Derby outside broadcast in 1930 and the pictures sent to places like Stockholm and Paris which is remarkable when you realise that the next overseas OB was Richard Dimbleby's from Calais in August 1950.
?
Are any of our retired BBC engineers still around who operated the Baird system??
?
I haven't yet looked but there may be?be a mention of a Scanner in the Baird archives.
?
Keep safe
Peter Hider
? 
? 
Sent:?Tuesday, June 09, 2020 at 11:13 PM
From:?"Alan Taylor via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To:?"Tech-Ops-chit-chat" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject:?Re: [Tech1] Fw: Prospero latest edition June
This topic came up a number of years ago on UK Broadcast newsgroup.

Like many others, I had always believed that the term scanner was carried over from wartime radar vehicles and I was told that by senior OB staff in the 1960s. For decades I never suspected that there could have been any other explanation, however I?m not at all convinced by it these days.

At that time, the guy living over the road from me was a radar engineer from the pioneering days of radar at Worth Matravers. I asked him about it and he was adamant that the term scanner was rarely used and if it was, it related solely to a rotating dish. The vehicles were referred to as mobile field stations.

I still wasn?t totally convinced, so I did a search on the BBC People?s War site, where people wrote about their WW2 memories. I suspected that there must have been somebody who did something like stepped out of a scanner to have a pee just as a bomb hit it and would explain that if they had stayed in the scanner, they would have been blown to pieces. I couldn?t find any mention of scanner in that context in the whole of that site, or anywhere else on the internet using the word scanner in connection with WW2 radar vehicles.

The convincing snippet of information as far as I was concerned came from a BBC Annual, published in or just before 1939. There was a picture of a BBC MCR and the caption referred to it as the Scanning Vehicle. If I remember correctly, that reference was dug up by one of the KA Comms engineers who attached a copy of that page.

Although the radar explanations seems very plausible and many early video engineers worked on radar systems in the war, the lack of any references to scanners in that context does seem odd if it was truly the general term used for those vehicles, especially as there must have been large numbers of them. The picture in the BBC Annual does seem to be much more plausible and of course predates the invention of radar, so that?s the explanation which I believe ..... unless anybody can come up with a more plausible explanation and back it up with evidence from that time.

Alan Taylor

> On 9 Jun 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> roof.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 10 04:43:07 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:43:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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I understand that the BBC only used Baird?s system for twelve weeks or so of actual broadcasting before deciding to opt for electronic cameras.  I doubt that there was time to commission such a truck.

I?ve seen sketches and theoretical proposals, but did the BBC ever build such a thing?

Alan Taylor


> On 10 Jun 2020, at 10:36, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi all,
> I posted this link recently, but maybe it got missed.
> Seems a possible answer to the ?scanner? question,
> Although the film path from the camera atop the vehicle?
> through its roof to the developing tank must needs be very light-proof!
> Interesting system, though.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_film_system;
>  
> I?m amused at the nomenclature of ?high-definition? used then ? what would those technicians make of today?s hi-def?
>  
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 10 June 2020 10:12
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
>  
> I?m not aware of any MCRs being around prior to the days of ?high definition? 405 line television and doubt that intermediate film processing was ever practical to do on location. Therefore I?m still mystified why the term ?scanning vehicle? was ever used. Obviously the technology was based on scanning a pick up tube and a CRT, but that doesn?t seem a good enough reason to explain naming the truck after it.  
>  
> I?m hoping that somebody can post that old picture once again.  I can?t find it online anywhere and didn?t take a copy at the time.
>  
> I would think it?s unlikely that there is anybody still alive who operated the Baird system.  Even if they were quite young at that time, they would presumably now be at least 110. Our best hope is to find documents from the time, probably via television history enthusiasts, but as the word ?scanner? was informal jargon, it may not appear in official records.
>  
> Alan Taylor 
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 08:36, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Does the term scanner come from the experimental Baird system days when the pictures from an OB had to be scanned by a Nipkow disc in order for it to be copied onto film for instantaneous processing and was the film processing done at the OB site or back at AP? Apparently the scanning of the the picture at one time took place under water during the processing although air bubbles reduced the picture quality.
>  
> This processing van would logically be called the scanner. The system was used for the experimental Derby outside broadcast in 1930 and the pictures sent to places like Stockholm and Paris which is remarkable when you realise that the next overseas OB was Richard Dimbleby's from Calais in August 1950.
>  
> Are any of our retired BBC engineers still around who operated the Baird system? 
>  
> I haven't yet looked but there may be be a mention of a Scanner in the Baird archives.
>  
> Keep safe
> Peter Hider
>  
>  
> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 at 11:13 PM
> From: "Alan Taylor via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Prospero latest edition June
> This topic came up a number of years ago on UK Broadcast newsgroup.
> 
> Like many others, I had always believed that the term scanner was carried over from wartime radar vehicles and I was told that by senior OB staff in the 1960s. For decades I never suspected that there could have been any other explanation, however I?m not at all convinced by it these days.
> 
> At that time, the guy living over the road from me was a radar engineer from the pioneering days of radar at Worth Matravers. I asked him about it and he was adamant that the term scanner was rarely used and if it was, it related solely to a rotating dish. The vehicles were referred to as mobile field stations.
> 
> I still wasn?t totally convinced, so I did a search on the BBC People?s War site, where people wrote about their WW2 memories. I suspected that there must have been somebody who did something like stepped out of a scanner to have a pee just as a bomb hit it and would explain that if they had stayed in the scanner, they would have been blown to pieces. I couldn?t find any mention of scanner in that context in the whole of that site, or anywhere else on the internet using the word scanner in connection with WW2 radar vehicles.
> 
> The convincing snippet of information as far as I was concerned came from a BBC Annual, published in or just before 1939. There was a picture of a BBC MCR and the caption referred to it as the Scanning Vehicle. If I remember correctly, that reference was dug up by one of the KA Comms engineers who attached a copy of that page.
> 
> Although the radar explanations seems very plausible and many early video engineers worked on radar systems in the war, the lack of any references to scanners in that context does seem odd if it was truly the general term used for those vehicles, especially as there must have been large numbers of them. The picture in the BBC Annual does seem to be much more plausible and of course predates the invention of radar, so that?s the explanation which I believe ..... unless anybody can come up with a more plausible explanation and back it up with evidence from that time.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> > On 9 Jun 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > roof.
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 04:43:54 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:43:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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Hi Alan et al

At least one picture of the Baird scanner is on the Tech Ops page I 
noted yesterday - and in fact came from PROSPERO!!!

Look at the bottom paragraph in the first column:

"Baird didn't call it a camera. He preferred the word 'scanner'.??? 
(perhaps someone could look at the Prospero archives and get the full 
article.)

see:? http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/why-mcrs-are-called-scanners/

the entry was by Tony Crake.

Intermediate film processing WAS done on site - there was a delay of 
perhaps 30 seconds between the even and its transmission.



Hope this clears things up!


BTW, an ongoing conversion with Roger Bunce has shown that a phrase or 
saying can live long after the reason for its usage has gone.? Think of 
the euphemistic"spend a penny" for going to the toilet? - since when was 
it a penny?? Or going to the loo for that matter - gardez-l'eau!

We still "hoover up the dust" when Hoover is no longer a brand leader.? 
These are . just examples of how words can get stuck into the language 
and become jargon or short-hand


Generally: it is always worth a search on Bernie's Tech Ops web-site!


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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 05:40:48 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:40:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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hi all,


This looks more like a scanner of the time.? This is in fact the German 
equivalent - used an electronic type imaging system rather than the 
Baird Nipkow disk.

"... An ordinary movie camera was mounted on a truck and took a 
conventional photographic film and sound recording of whatever was to be 
transmitted. The exposed, but unprocessed, film went immediately down a 
light-tight tube into a development tank (E), on into a fixing tank (F), 
through a washing tank (W) and a preliminary drying process 
(Vortrocknung), then past an "indoor" television camera which copied the 
image (Bildabtastung) and a sensor to copy the sound track 
(Tonabtastung). The film was then given additional drying 
(Nachtrocknung) and wound on to a take-up spool. Electronic equipment 
transmitted the image and sound signals within sixty seconds of the 
filming..."

http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~buckland/television.html


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 07:09:53 2020
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Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:09:53 +0100
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And Bildabtastung translates as "scanner"...

It isn't obvious what version of scanner it was from that drawing. 
Flying spot is most likely, with the cylinder on the left being a 
photomultiplier. It ~could~ be an axial camera tube, which had been 
invented by then, but I'm not sure Fernseh had access to them at that date.

Chris Woolf


On 10/06/2020 11:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> hi all,
>
>
> This looks more like a scanner of the time.? This is in fact the 
> German equivalent - used an electronic type imaging system rather than 
> the Baird Nipkow disk.
>
> "... An ordinary movie camera was mounted on a truck and took a 
> conventional photographic film and sound recording of whatever was to 
> be transmitted. The exposed, but unprocessed, film went immediately 
> down a light-tight tube into a development tank (E), on into a fixing 
> tank (F), through a washing tank (W) and a preliminary drying process 
> (Vortrocknung), then past an "indoor" television camera which copied 
> the image (Bildabtastung) and a sensor to copy the sound track 
> (Tonabtastung). The film was then given additional drying 
> (Nachtrocknung) and wound on to a take-up spool. Electronic equipment 
> transmitted the image and sound signals within sixty seconds of the 
> filming..."
>
> http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~buckland/television.html
>
>
> -- 
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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> home:   0118 981 7502
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 10 07:16:24 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:16:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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I see your sketch are raise you an actual photograph. Popular Science, Nov 1934



We know that German TV built a truck of this type, but is there any evidence that the BBC did?  We know that the BBC  used intermediate film in Ally Pally, but is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?

I?d love to again see the pIcture I previously described from a 1930s BBC annual.  I don?t recall seeing a camera on the roof, but it was a long time ago when I saw it.

The WiKi article seems to be jumbling two elements.  One is that the Germans built an intermediate film truck and the other is that they and the BBC both used intermediate film technology indoors.

Alan Taylor

>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 11:41, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> ?
> hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> <fbifgokfnfmknjgn.png>
> This looks more like a scanner of the time.  This is in fact the German equivalent - used an electronic type imaging system rather than the Baird Nipkow disk.
> 
> "... An ordinary movie camera was mounted on a truck and took a conventional photographic film and sound recording of whatever was to be transmitted. The exposed, but unprocessed, film went immediately down a light-tight tube into a development tank (E), on into a fixing tank (F), through a washing tank (W) and a preliminary drying process (Vortrocknung), then past an "indoor" television camera which copied the image (Bildabtastung) and a sensor to copy the sound track (Tonabtastung). The film was then given additional drying (Nachtrocknung) and wound on to a take-up spool. Electronic equipment transmitted the image and sound signals within sixty seconds of the filming..."
> 
> http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~buckland/television.html
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 10 07:42:41 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:42:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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My German wife translates Bildaufnahmen as ?picture taker? and Bildeabstastung as ?touching up picture.? Make of that what you will.

Translation is never an exact process. Using a synonym can completely change what people think.  There is a quote from Goethe ?Denn ein wackerer Mann verdient ein begatertes Madchen?, which might be translated as ?For a brave man deserves a clever young woman?.  When encountered online, it?s usually translated as ? For a brave man deserves a well-endowed girl.?  

... I rather like that version.

As for the scanning process, I would assume that it was flying spot because later flying spot telecine machines were often said to have evolved from the machines used on the intermediate film process.

Alan Taylor

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 13:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> And Bildabtastung translates as "scanner"...
> 
> It isn't obvious what version of scanner it was from that drawing. Flying spot is most likely, with the cylinder on the left being a photomultiplier. It ~could~ be an axial camera tube, which had been invented by then, but I'm not sure Fernseh had access to them at that date.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/06/2020 11:40, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>> hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <fbifgokfnfmknjgn.png>
>> 
>> This looks more like a scanner of the time.  This is in fact the German equivalent - used an electronic type imaging system rather than the Baird Nipkow disk.
>> 
>> "... An ordinary movie camera was mounted on a truck and took a conventional photographic film and sound recording of whatever was to be transmitted. The exposed, but unprocessed, film went immediately down a light-tight tube into a development tank (E), on into a fixing tank (F), through a washing tank (W) and a preliminary drying process (Vortrocknung), then past an "indoor" television camera which copied the image (Bildabtastung) and a sensor to copy the sound track (Tonabtastung). The film was then given additional drying (Nachtrocknung) and wound on to a take-up spool. Electronic equipment transmitted the image and sound signals within sixty seconds of the filming..."
>> 
>> http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~buckland/television.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:    07789 561 346
>> home:   0118 981 7502
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From tonycrake at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 08:16:18 2020
From: tonycrake at gmail.com (Tony Crake)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 14:16:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fw: Prospero latest edition June
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Prospero actually did a back page story some months back on the scanner !

On Tue, 9 Jun 2020 at 23:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> This topic came up a number of years ago on UK Broadcast newsgroup.
>
> Like many others, I had always believed that the term scanner was carried
> over from wartime radar vehicles and I was told that by senior OB staff in
> the 1960s. For decades I never suspected that there could have been any
> other explanation,  however I?m not at all convinced by it these days.
>
> At that time, the guy living over the road from me was a radar engineer
> from the pioneering days of radar at Worth Matravers.  I asked him about it
> and he was adamant that the term scanner was rarely used and if it was, it
> related solely to a rotating dish.  The vehicles were referred to as mobile
> field stations.
>
>  I still wasn?t totally convinced, so I did a search on the BBC People?s
> War site, where people wrote about their WW2 memories.  I suspected that
> there must have been somebody who did something like stepped out of a
> scanner to have a pee just as a bomb hit it and would explain that if they
> had stayed in the scanner, they would have been blown to pieces.  I
> couldn?t find any mention of scanner in that context in the whole of that
> site, or anywhere else on the internet using the word scanner in connection
> with WW2 radar vehicles.
>
> The convincing snippet of information as far as I was concerned came from
> a BBC Annual, published in or just before 1939. There was a picture of a
> BBC MCR and the caption referred to it as the Scanning Vehicle. If I
> remember correctly, that reference was dug up by one of the KA Comms
> engineers who attached a copy of that page.
>
> Although the radar explanations seems very plausible and many early video
> engineers worked on radar systems in the war, the lack of any references to
> scanners in that context does seem odd if it was truly the general term
> used for those vehicles, especially as there must have been large numbers
> of them. The picture in the BBC Annual does seem to be much more plausible
> and of course predates the invention of radar, so that?s the explanation
> which I believe ..... unless anybody can come up with a more plausible
> explanation and back it up with evidence from that time.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
> > On 9 Jun 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > roof.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jun 10 08:17:32 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 14:17:32 +0100
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The Wiki article does mention a flying spot scanner ? do you
think that the German version managed to install a Mechau?
Fearsome beast, I think LG TK were equipped with those.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 10 June 2020 13:16
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.


I see your sketch are raise you an actual photograph. Popular Science, Nov 1934



We know that German TV built a truck of this type, but is there any evidence that the BBC did? ?We know that the BBC ?used intermediate film in Ally Pally, but is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?

I?d love to again see the pIcture I previously described from a 1930s BBC annual. ?I don?t recall seeing a camera on the roof, but it was a long time ago when I saw it.

The WiKi article seems to be jumbling two elements. ?One is that the Germans built an intermediate film truck and the other is that they and the BBC both used intermediate film technology indoors.

Alan Taylor


On 10 Jun 2020, at 11:41, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
hi all,

<fbifgokfnfmknjgn.png>
This looks more like a scanner of the time.? This is in fact the German equivalent - used an electronic type imaging system rather than the Baird Nipkow disk.
"... An ordinary movie camera was mounted on a truck and took a conventional photographic film and sound recording of whatever was to be transmitted. The exposed, but unprocessed, film went immediately down a light-tight tube into a development tank (E), on into a fixing tank (F), through a washing tank (W) and a preliminary drying process (Vortrocknung), then past an "indoor" television camera which copied the image (Bildabtastung) and a sensor to copy the sound track (Tonabtastung). The film was then given additional drying (Nachtrocknung) and wound on to a take-up spool. Electronic equipment transmitted the image and sound signals within sixty seconds of the filming..." 
http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~buckland/television.html

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From colin at colinhassell.com  Wed Jun 10 08:17:54 2020
From: colin at colinhassell.com (Colin Hassell)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 14:17:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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There was this article, from John Trenouth, in Prospero back in 2010.
(Did I collect it from this group?)







Colin Hassell

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+44-(0)7973-802722
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> On 10 Jun 2020, at 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I see your sketch are raise you an actual photograph. Popular Science, Nov 1934
> 
> <image0.png>
> 
> We know that German TV built a truck of this type, but is there any evidence that the BBC did?  We know that the BBC  used intermediate film in Ally Pally, but is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?
> 
> I?d love to again see the pIcture I previously described from a 1930s BBC annual.  I don?t recall seeing a camera on the roof, but it was a long time ago when I saw it.
> 
> The WiKi article seems to be jumbling two elements.  One is that the Germans built an intermediate film truck and the other is that they and the BBC both used intermediate film technology indoors.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 11:41, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <fbifgokfnfmknjgn.png>
>> 
>> This looks more like a scanner of the time.  This is in fact the German equivalent - used an electronic type imaging system rather than the Baird Nipkow disk.
>> 
>> "... An ordinary movie camera was mounted on a truck and took a conventional photographic film and sound recording of whatever was to be transmitted. The exposed, but unprocessed, film went immediately down a light-tight tube into a development tank (E), on into a fixing tank (F), through a washing tank (W) and a preliminary drying process (Vortrocknung), then past an "indoor" television camera which copied the image (Bildabtastung) and a sensor to copy the sound track (Tonabtastung). The film was then given additional drying (Nachtrocknung) and wound on to a take-up spool. Electronic equipment transmitted the image and sound signals within sixty seconds of the filming..."
>> 
>> http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~buckland/television.html <http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~buckland/television.html>
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Wed Jun 10 08:29:43 2020
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Puddifoot(Doug))
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 14:29:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Gardening
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               Are any of you using lock-down time to re-seed your lawn. Perhaps you are wondering how much to apply. I thought I would pass on a tip that came with a packet of lawn seed I got from Amazon. You need to sow sixteen seeds per square inch. Well that should use up the rest of the year.

Doug



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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 09:24:03 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:24:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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Hi Alan, Pat et al,

On 10/06/2020 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?

I stick!?? The question has changed from "why is an MCR called a 
scanner" to "did the BBC use an intermediate film OB truck?"

The answer to the last question is - I am fairly certain - no. The Beeb 
did not have intermediate film OB units.? The original OBs were from the 
Baird system, which did.

Now, if you look on the Interweb, you get? a real problem with dates and 
events.? One source says that the first BBC rigged OB was on Armistice 
Day 11th November 1937, when the King laid a wreath at the Cenotaph. 
Cameras were installed on the roof of neighbouring buildings.?? I do not 
trust this site, as some parts seem patently wrong - it implies for 
example that Image Orthicons were only used in the states...

However, the BBC website has this:on Coronation Day 12th May 1937, "... 
the BBC?s only outside broadcast unit, or 'scanner' as it was then 
called, delivered by EMI just days before, its complement of three 
cameras were positioned at Hyde Park Corner: a vantage point from which 
it was possible to view the Coronation procession coming from Marble 
Arch and then continue down Constitution Hill to Buckingham Palace...."

Now, how interesting *the BBC?s only outside broadcast unit, or 
'scanner' as it was then called.*? It would seem to have been called a 
"scanner" from the off*!
*


Re the flying spot in the German intermediate film truck.? The Mechaus 
in Lime Grove were large machines, and the film spools were horizontal 
(and, I guess, the full film path was horizontal. In this picture, the 
feed spool (?) has its cover raised: I only ever saw them with the 
covers in place.

Mechau projector (8K)

It does not look like it here (?) but IIRC the Mechaus were relatively 
light tight and could be used for film telerecording as well as telecine.


By contrast, what I take to be the light source and film transport in 
the German Intermediate film truck looks to have a standard vertical 
film path (which is what would be expected with the film path through 
the processing)

The flying spot would likely to have been generated by a system of mirrors.


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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 10:05:23 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 16:05:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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I have these from Howard Arnell (Ex KA training etc)

Also have a couple of Wimbledon and The Derby in 1938 and few studio shots shown to be of Baird spotlight and Baird Intermediate Film in 36/37

He certainly showed them as 1936/7

Mike

From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:24 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.

Hi Alan, Pat et al,


On 10/06/2020 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:

  is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?
I stick!   The question has changed from "why is an MCR called a scanner" to "did the BBC use an intermediate film OB truck?"

The answer to the last question is - I am fairly certain - no.  The Beeb did not have intermediate film OB units.  The original OBs were from the Baird system, which did.  


Now, if you look on the Interweb, you get  a real problem with dates and events.  One source says that the first BBC rigged OB was on Armistice Day 11th November 1937, when the King laid a wreath at the Cenotaph. Cameras were installed on the roof of neighbouring buildings.   I do not trust this site, as some parts seem patently wrong - it implies for example that Image Orthicons were only used in the states...


However, the BBC website has this:on Coronation Day 12th May 1937,  "... the BBC?s only outside broadcast unit, or 'scanner' as it was then called, delivered by EMI just days before, its complement of three cameras were positioned at Hyde Park Corner: a vantage point from which it was possible to view the Coronation procession coming from Marble Arch and then continue down Constitution Hill to Buckingham Palace...." 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 10:14:06 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 16:14:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW:
Message-ID: <3b7be0ef-0d4e-bdce-43f9-7c6ec991b259@gmail.com>

Subject:
Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
From:
"Brian Summers" <Brian at summershome.co.uk>
Date:
10/06/2020, 15:29

To:
<Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>


I think it goes back even earlier that the 1936 equipment?s and goes 
back to what might have been the very first OB van!

This bit of text comes from the MCR21 site, 
http://mcr21.org.uk/historical-context/ and speaks of the scanner. In 
this early time there was much discussion about ?scanning? as it was the 
main difficulty in television. One clever feature of this Baird van is 
the mirror on the door, as the scanner was fixed in the van the mirror 
was used to follow the race.

*In 1931 Baird fitted the scanner inside an old caravan and parked it in 
the street outside to continue his experiments. Seeing the horses going 
up and down Long Acre on their way to Covent Garden market gave him the 
idea to try to televise the Derby*

*The scanner was arranged to look through a large mirror mounted on the 
inside of the caravan door, as the door was swung open, the scanner 
panned across the scene. So it was now possible to follow the action at 
the end of the race and was, for its day, a great success.*

*Of course by now, everyone started referring to the whole caravan as 
the ?scanner? ? especially as the caravan door was a vital part of the 
apparatus. A number of the Baird staff involved in these experiments 
were later employed by the BBC and they used the term ?Scanner 1? to 
describe the EMI mobile television control room used for the 1937 
Coronation. The name stuck with the BBC and they?ve used it ever since.*

http://mcr21.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/tj1-300x217.jpg

Regards

Brian Summers
Broadcast Television Technology Trust
Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333

Camberley, England.

*Contact**Email *brian at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk> *
Find out more *www.mcr21.org.uk <http://www.mcr21.org.uk/> | 
www.bttt.org.uk <http://www.bttt.org.uk/>
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 12:49:24 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:49:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW:
In-Reply-To: <3b7be0ef-0d4e-bdce-43f9-7c6ec991b259@gmail.com>
References: <3b7be0ef-0d4e-bdce-43f9-7c6ec991b259@gmail.com>
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Brian?s explanation sounds the most likely and propitious. Can we settle on that and move on, or should we put it to a vote?
Geoff Hawkes

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 16:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
> From: "Brian Summers" <Brian at summershome.co.uk>
> Date: 10/06/2020, 15:29
> To: <Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> 
> I think it goes back even earlier that the 1936 equipment?s and goes back to what might have been the very first OB van!
>  
> This bit of text comes from the MCR21 site, http://mcr21.org.uk/historical-context/ and speaks of the scanner. In this early time there was much discussion about ?scanning? as it was the main difficulty in television. One clever feature of this Baird van is the mirror on the door, as the scanner was fixed in the van the mirror was used to follow the race.
> In 1931 Baird fitted the scanner inside an old caravan and parked it in the street outside to continue his experiments. Seeing the horses going up and down Long Acre on their way to Covent Garden market gave him the idea to try to televise the Derby
> The scanner was arranged to look through a large mirror mounted on the inside of the caravan door, as the door was swung open, the scanner panned across the scene. So it was now possible to follow the action at the end of the race and was, for its day, a great success.
> Of course by now, everyone started referring to the whole caravan as the ?scanner? ? especially as the caravan door was a vital part of the apparatus. A number of the Baird staff involved in these experiments were later employed by the BBC and they used the term ?Scanner 1? to describe the EMI mobile television control room used for the 1937 Coronation. The name stuck with the BBC and they?ve used it ever since.
>  
> <mndibekikldnlden.png>
>  
>  
> Regards
>  
> Brian Summers 
> Broadcast Television Technology Trust
> Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333
> Camberley, England. 
>   
> Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk 
> Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk | www.bttt.org.uk 
> Support us        Make a Donation | Become a Volunteer
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Wed Jun 10 13:55:33 2020
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 18:55:33 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Scanners_/_Intermediate_Film=2C______Paul_Nipk?=
 =?utf-8?q?ow_Berlin__Circular_TV_Centre?=
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When on TO28 I asked the origins of the Vehicle's ?Name known as a Scanner. I was told that it
derived from the action of an Electron Beam Scanning the camera Tube used in TV.

Interesting Film compilation from ?MICHAEL KLOFT shows the Intermediate Film TV from the German
Post Office for the 1936 Olympic Games. Other items show bits of programmes from the PAUL NIPKOW
circular TV Centre in Berlin. Cameras in the centre, programme sets around the circumference.

One of the final items shows German Soldiers with only one leg being trained how to get mobile again?
and return to their units. Very Monty Python!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3exBWIwrvsE&feature=youtu.be&t=681

One of my favourite Scanners shots showing a young ?Mac, ?Don McKay, at the Funeral of George V1 adjusting
a Parab. MCR8.

Tony Nuttall, in Cumbria
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From simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 15:21:52 2020
From: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com (Simon Vaughan)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 21:21:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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These images of the Cenotaph are definitely 1937.  I also have copies of the Wimbledon & The Derby from 1938 and the images from the Baird Spotlight & Intermediate Film Technique.

The Baird transmissions from Epsom for The Derby in the early 1930?s were by a 30-line mirror-drum scanner, housed in a caravan and not by IFT.  By default the caravan was referred to as the scanner, whereas the actual scanner was housed inside.

Baird?s never developed the IFT as a remote scanner.  It was hard enough keeping the equipment running reliably on the solid floor of Studio B, let alone a mobile unit!  There were no outside broadcasts from Alexandra Palace using the Baird 240-line system.  Baird?s laboratories were based at the Crystal Palace (until the fire of December 1936).  Transmissions were conducted using the IFT, Spotlight and Emitron systems.  Outside Broadcasts were conducted there - if you class pointing the IFT camera out the window in the side of the control room, looking out on to an outside performance area!  IFT in this country didn?t venture beyond the studio/control room walls.

Although Baird employees worked tirelessly on the IFT it never worked as well as the German Fernseh operation.  The Baird company pinning all their hopes on their Electron camera (an adaptation to 240-lines of Philo Farnsworth's Image Dissector tube which was under license to Baird's).  However, this provided little competition to the Emitron?s in Studio A.  

Whereas the Emitron's could operate on 1,000ft cables, the Baird Electron camera could only operate to a maximum of 20ft from it?s control equipment.  So trying to cover a performance by using the Electron camera were severely limited - it wasn?t much of an improvement over the Spotlight system - although at least with the Electron the studio was lit!  And extremely so - the Electron was severely insensitive and required twice as much light as the standard Emitron.

Hope this helps in some way.

Best regards


Simon Vaughan

=========================
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Mob:  07791 780882
Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com
=========================

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 16:05, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have these from Howard Arnell (Ex KA training etc)
>  
> Also have a couple of Wimbledon and The Derby in 1938 and few studio shots shown to be of Baird spotlight and Baird Intermediate Film in 36/37
>  
> He certainly showed them as 1936/7
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:24 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
>  
> Hi Alan, Pat et al,
> On 10/06/2020 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?
> I stick!   The question has changed from "why is an MCR called a scanner" to "did the BBC use an intermediate film OB truck?"
> The answer to the last question is - I am fairly certain - no.  The Beeb did not have intermediate film OB units.  The original OBs were from the Baird system, which did.  
> Now, if you look on the Interweb, you get  a real problem with dates and events.  One source says that the first BBC rigged OB was on Armistice Day 11th November 1937, when the King laid a wreath at the Cenotaph. Cameras were installed on the roof of neighbouring buildings.   I do not trust this site, as some parts seem patently wrong - it implies for example that Image Orthicons were only used in the states...
> However, the BBC website has this:on Coronation Day 12th May 1937,  "... the BBC?s only outside broadcast unit, or 'scanner' as it was then called, delivered by EMI just days before, its complement of three cameras were positioned at Hyde Park Corner: a vantage point from which it was possible to view the Coronation procession coming from Marble Arch and then continue down Constitution Hill to Buckingham Palace...."
> <Cenotaph 111137.jpg><Cenotaph Chamberlain and Atlee 111137.jpg><King George VI at Cenotaph 111137.jpg>-- 
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Wed Jun 10 16:11:41 2020
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:11:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW: The origin of "scanner" Resend, more info
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From: Neil Dormand <neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk> 
Sent: 10 June 2020 16:43
To: 'tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk' <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: The origin of "scanner"

 

I favour the following as the origin of the use of scanner.

 

The first TV OB was of the Derby in 1931, this is was undertaken by Baird
before the BBC got involved. This information I got from Edward Pawley's
book BBC Engineering 1922-1972. 

 

"Viewers saw about ten seconds of the just recognisable horses flashing past
the winning post. This was done with a mirror-drum scanner set up in a van
near the winning post and the signals were put on a line and sent to Long
Acre."

 

Long Acre was the location of Baird's workshop.

 

For any one that is interested there is a lot of information about how the
mirror-drum was used on line particularly the in the receiver. The BBC
purchased a set-up from Baird in 1933 which was installed in BH. I am
surprised it even sort of worked in the open air. 

 

 

Neil

 

I sent this email this morning but I don't think it got through. Since then
I have more information.

 

>From Norman Green Ex EMI, IBA Chief Engineer and TV engineering historian. 

 

I believe the word 'scanner' came from Baird's original 'mobile unit' that
he built to televise outdoor scenes in Long Acre in May 1931 which he then
took to Epsom to televise the finish line of the Derby. He then televised
the 1932 Derby as well. As the scanning was done by a mirror drum 'scanning'
the scene for light which was then picked-up by photocells and turned into a
video signal! A very good drawing of the 'mobile unit' and description is in
'Adventure in Vision' by John Swift which was published in 1950! I received
it as a school prize for 'Attainment and Effort' in 1953! Later, one of
Baird's engineers, Bridgewater went on to be  Chief Engineer BBC Outside
Broadcasts so probably used 'scanner' as shorthand for Mobile Control Room!

 

 



 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 10 16:51:19 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 22:51:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW: The origin of "scanner" Resend, more info
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I can offer documentary proof that the term ?scanner van? was in use in 1939.

BBC Handbook 1939




It says ? the first and most important of them is the scanning van .... ?.  

The article is referring to the second BBC truck of that type.  Unfortunately I still can?t find the picture I?ve previously seen, but am satisfied that this is similar to the description I previously mentioned in this thread.

Alan Taylor

>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 22:12, Neil Dormand via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> ?
> From: Neil Dormand <neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk> 
> Sent: 10 June 2020 16:43
> To: 'tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk' <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: The origin of "scanner"
>  
> I favour the following as the origin of the use of scanner.
>  
> The first TV OB was of the Derby in 1931, this is was undertaken by Baird before the BBC got involved. This information I got from Edward Pawley?s book BBC Engineering 1922-1972.
>  
> ?Viewers saw about ten seconds of the just recognisable horses flashing past the winning post. This was done with a mirror-drum scanner set up in a van near the winning post and the signals were put on a line and sent to Long Acre.?
>  
> Long Acre was the location of Baird?s workshop.
>  
> For any one that is interested there is a lot of information about how the mirror-drum was used on line particularly the in the receiver. The BBC purchased a set-up from Baird in 1933 which was installed in BH. I am surprised it even sort of worked in the open air.
>  
>  
> Neil
>  
> I sent this email this morning but I don?t think it got through. Since then I have more information.
>  
> From Norman Green Ex EMI, IBA Chief Engineer and TV engineering historian.
>  
> I believe the word 'scanner' came from Baird's original 'mobile unit' that he built to televise outdoor scenes in Long Acre in May 1931 which he then took to Epsom to televise the finish line of the Derby. He then televised the 1932 Derby as well. As the scanning was done by a mirror drum 'scanning' the scene for light which was then picked-up by photocells and turned into a video signal! A very good drawing of the 'mobile unit' and description is in 'Adventure in Vision' by John Swift which was published in 1950! I received it as a school prize for 'Attainment and Effort' in 1953! Later, one of Baird's engineers, Bridgewater went on to be  Chief Engineer BBC Outside Broadcasts so probably used 'scanner' as shorthand for Mobile Control Room!
>  
>  
> <image001.jpg>
>  
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jun 11 04:46:24 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 10:46:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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Good confirmation of history - thank you.

And no surprise that the German engineers made a better fist of a mobile 
IFT system. I believe that Baird's failure to make his TV system(s) work 
was really because he wasn't much of an inventor. Like Edison and Dyson 
he was an entrepreneur and salesman, who borrowed other people's ideas 
and repackaged them. When confronted with the technical details, such as 
designing circuits that could send wideband signals down a long camera 
cable, he just didn't have the fundamental engineering skill and 
ingenuity that Alan Blumlein (who led the EMI group) had. In so many 
instances - Tesla is another that comes to mind - it is usually the 
showmen who get the money and fame, but the true inventors struggle to 
even be remembered.

Chris Woolf


On 10/06/2020 21:21, Simon Vaughan via Tech1 wrote:
> These images of the Cenotaph are definitely 1937. ?I also have copies 
> of the Wimbledon & The Derby from 1938 and the images from the Baird 
> Spotlight & Intermediate Film Technique.
>
> The Baird transmissions from Epsom for The Derby in the early 1930?s 
> were by a 30-line mirror-drum scanner, housed in a caravan and not by 
> IFT. ?By default the caravan was referred to as the scanner, whereas 
> the actual scanner was housed inside.
>
> Baird?s never developed the IFT as a remote scanner. ?It was hard 
> enough keeping the equipment running reliably on the solid floor of 
> Studio B, let alone a mobile unit! ?There were no outside broadcasts 
> from Alexandra Palace using the Baird 240-line system. ?Baird?s 
> laboratories were based at the Crystal Palace (until the fire of 
> December 1936). ?Transmissions were conducted using the IFT, Spotlight 
> and Emitron systems. ?Outside Broadcasts were conducted there - if you 
> class pointing the IFT camera out the window in the side of the 
> control room, looking out on to an outside performance area! ?IFT in 
> this country didn?t venture beyond the studio/control room walls.
>
> Although Baird employees worked tirelessly on the IFT it never worked 
> as well as the German Fernseh operation. ?The Baird company pinning 
> all their hopes on their Electron camera (an adaptation to 240-lines 
> of Philo Farnsworth's Image Dissector tube which was under license to 
> Baird's). ?However, this provided little competition to the Emitron?s 
> in Studio A.
>
> Whereas the Emitron's could operate on 1,000ft cables, the Baird 
> Electron camera could only operate to a maximum of 20ft from it?s 
> control equipment. ?So trying to cover a performance by using the 
> Electron camera were severely limited - it wasn?t much of an 
> improvement over the Spotlight system - although at least with the 
> Electron the studio was lit! ?And extremely so - the Electron was 
> severely insensitive and required twice as much light as the standard 
> Emitron.
>
> Hope this helps in some way.
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Simon Vaughan
>
> =========================
> Tel: ? ?01332 729358
> Mob: ?07791 780882
> Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com <mailto:simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com>
> =========================
>
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 16:05, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> I have these from Howard Arnell (Ex KA training etc)
>> Also have a couple of Wimbledon and The Derby in 1938 and few studio 
>> shots shown to be of Baird spotlight and Baird Intermediate Film in 36/37
>> He certainly showed them as 1936/7
>> Mike
>> *From:* Alec Bray via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:24 PM
>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
>> Hi Alan, Pat et al,
>> On 10/06/2020 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>>> is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a 
>>> vehicle?
>> I stick!?? The question has changed from "why is an MCR called a 
>> scanner" to "did the BBC use an intermediate film OB truck?"
>> The answer to the last question is - I am fairly certain - no.? The 
>> Beeb did not have intermediate film OB units.? The original OBs were 
>> from the Baird system, which did.
>> Now, if you look on the Interweb, you get? a real problem with dates 
>> and events. One source says that the first BBC rigged OB was on 
>> Armistice Day 11th November 1937, when the King laid a wreath at the 
>> Cenotaph. Cameras were installed on the roof of neighbouring 
>> buildings.?? I do not trust this site, as some parts seem patently 
>> wrong - it implies for example that Image Orthicons were only used in 
>> the states...
>> However, the BBC website has this:on Coronation Day 12th May 1937,? 
>> "... the BBC?s only outside broadcast unit, or 'scanner' as it was 
>> then called, delivered by EMI just days before, its complement of 
>> three cameras were positioned at Hyde Park Corner: a vantage point 
>> from which it was possible to view the Coronation procession coming 
>> from Marble Arch and then continue down Constitution Hill to 
>> Buckingham Palace...."
>> <Cenotaph 111137.jpg><Cenotaph Chamberlain and Atlee 111137.jpg><King 
>> George VI at Cenotaph 111137.jpg>--
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jun 11 05:24:55 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:24:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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Thank you, Simon, for your input on this ?vexing? question!
If anybody should be able to throw a bright light on this, it would be you and the APTelevision Society.
Gratefully
Pat Heigham
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From: Simon Vaughan via Tech1
Sent: 10 June 2020 21:22
To: Mike Jordan
Cc: Alec Bray via Tech1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.

These images of the Cenotaph are definitely 1937. ?I also have copies of the Wimbledon & The Derby from 1938 and the images from the Baird Spotlight & Intermediate Film Technique.

The Baird transmissions from Epsom for The Derby in the early 1930?s were by a 30-line mirror-drum scanner, housed in a caravan and not by IFT. ?By default the caravan was referred to as the scanner, whereas the actual scanner was housed inside.

Baird?s never developed the IFT as a remote scanner. ?It was hard enough keeping the equipment running reliably on the solid floor of Studio B, let alone a mobile unit! ?There were no outside broadcasts from Alexandra Palace using the Baird 240-line system. ?Baird?s laboratories were based at the Crystal Palace (until the fire of December 1936). ?Transmissions were conducted using the IFT, Spotlight and Emitron systems. ?Outside Broadcasts were conducted there - if you class pointing the IFT camera out the window in the side of the control room, looking out on to an outside performance area! ?IFT in this country didn?t venture beyond the studio/control room walls.

Although Baird employees worked tirelessly on the IFT it never worked as well as the German Fernseh operation. ?The Baird company pinning all their hopes on their Electron camera (an adaptation to 240-lines of Philo Farnsworth's Image Dissector tube which was under license to Baird's). ?However, this provided little competition to the Emitron?s in Studio A. ?

Whereas the Emitron's could operate on 1,000ft cables, the Baird Electron camera could only operate to a maximum of 20ft from it?s control equipment. ?So trying to cover a performance by using the Electron camera were severely limited - it wasn?t much of an improvement over the Spotlight system - although at least with the Electron the studio was lit! ?And extremely so - the Electron was severely insensitive and required twice as much light as the standard Emitron.

Hope this helps in some way.

Best regards


Simon Vaughan

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Mob: ?07791 780882
Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com
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On 10 Jun 2020, at 16:05, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I have these from Howard Arnell (Ex KA training etc)
?
Also have a couple of Wimbledon and The Derby in 1938 and few studio shots shown to be of Baird spotlight and Baird Intermediate Film in 36/37
?
He certainly showed them as 1936/7
?
Mike
?
From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:24 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
?
Hi Alan, Pat et al,
On 10/06/2020 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?
I stick!?? The question has changed from "why is an MCR called a scanner" to "did the BBC use an intermediate film OB truck?"
The answer to the last question is - I am fairly certain - no.? The Beeb did not have intermediate film OB units.? The original OBs were from the Baird system, which did.? 
Now, if you look on the Interweb, you get? a real problem with dates and events.? One source says that the first BBC rigged OB was on Armistice Day 11th November 1937, when the King laid a wreath at the Cenotaph. Cameras were installed on the roof of neighbouring buildings.?? I do not trust this site, as some parts seem patently wrong - it implies for example that Image Orthicons were only used in the states...
However, the BBC website has this:on Coronation Day 12th May 1937,? "... the BBC?s only outside broadcast unit, or 'scanner' as it was then called, delivered by EMI just days before, its complement of three cameras were positioned at Hyde Park Corner: a vantage point from which it was possible to view the Coronation procession coming from Marble Arch and then continue down Constitution Hill to Buckingham Palace...." 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Thu Jun 11 05:33:19 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:33:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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That does seem fairly confirmatory.

I wasn't aware that there was a mirror on the inside of the caravan door in the Baird system, as shown in the photo.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 11 Jun 2020, at 11:25, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Thank you, Simon, for your input on this ?vexing? question!
> If anybody should be able to throw a bright light on this, it would be you and the APTelevision Society.
> Gratefully
> Pat Heigham
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Simon Vaughan via Tech1
> Sent: 10 June 2020 21:22
> To: Mike Jordan
> Cc: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
>  
> These images of the Cenotaph are definitely 1937.  I also have copies of the Wimbledon & The Derby from 1938 and the images from the Baird Spotlight & Intermediate Film Technique.
>  
> The Baird transmissions from Epsom for The Derby in the early 1930?s were by a 30-line mirror-drum scanner, housed in a caravan and not by IFT.  By default the caravan was referred to as the scanner, whereas the actual scanner was housed inside.
>  
> Baird?s never developed the IFT as a remote scanner.  It was hard enough keeping the equipment running reliably on the solid floor of Studio B, let alone a mobile unit!  There were no outside broadcasts from Alexandra Palace using the Baird 240-line system.  Baird?s laboratories were based at the Crystal Palace (until the fire of December 1936).  Transmissions were conducted using the IFT, Spotlight and Emitron systems.  Outside Broadcasts were conducted there - if you class pointing the IFT camera out the window in the side of the control room, looking out on to an outside performance area!  IFT in this country didn?t venture beyond the studio/control room walls.
>  
> Although Baird employees worked tirelessly on the IFT it never worked as well as the German Fernseh operation.  The Baird company pinning all their hopes on their Electron camera (an adaptation to 240-lines of Philo Farnsworth's Image Dissector tube which was under license to Baird's).  However, this provided little competition to the Emitron?s in Studio A.  
>  
> Whereas the Emitron's could operate on 1,000ft cables, the Baird Electron camera could only operate to a maximum of 20ft from it?s control equipment.  So trying to cover a performance by using the Electron camera were severely limited - it wasn?t much of an improvement over the Spotlight system - although at least with the Electron the studio was lit!  And extremely so - the Electron was severely insensitive and required twice as much light as the standard Emitron.
>  
> Hope this helps in some way.
>  
> Best regards
>  
>  
> Simon Vaughan
> 
> =========================
> Tel:    01332 729358
> Mob:  07791 780882
> Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com
> =========================
> 
> 
> On 10 Jun 2020, at 16:05, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>  
> I have these from Howard Arnell (Ex KA training etc)
>  
> Also have a couple of Wimbledon and The Derby in 1938 and few studio shots shown to be of Baird spotlight and Baird Intermediate Film in 36/37
>  
> He certainly showed them as 1936/7
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:24 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
>  
> Hi Alan, Pat et al,
> On 10/06/2020 13:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> is there any evidence that the BBC ever used the technology in a vehicle?
> I stick!   The question has changed from "why is an MCR called a scanner" to "did the BBC use an intermediate film OB truck?"
> The answer to the last question is - I am fairly certain - no.  The Beeb did not have intermediate film OB units.  The original OBs were from the Baird system, which did. 
> Now, if you look on the Interweb, you get  a real problem with dates and events.  One source says that the first BBC rigged OB was on Armistice Day 11th November 1937, when the King laid a wreath at the Cenotaph. Cameras were installed on the roof of neighbouring buildings.   I do not trust this site, as some parts seem patently wrong - it implies for example that Image Orthicons were only used in the states...
> However, the BBC website has this:on Coronation Day 12th May 1937,  "... the BBC?s only outside broadcast unit, or 'scanner' as it was then called, delivered by EMI just days before, its complement of three cameras were positioned at Hyde Park Corner: a vantage point from which it was possible to view the Coronation procession coming from Marble Arch and then continue down Constitution Hill to Buckingham Palace...."
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 05:54:34 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 11:54:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More "origins"
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In the parallel world of Facebook, someone has re-found the Did You See? 
YouTube about Presentation -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaLJBpBxsa0&t=67s

There are shots in the Noddy room, and someone who wasn't there points 
out that it wasn't strictly Noddy but NOD-D, standing for "Nexus 
Orthicon Display Device".? I only worked in Pres for 25 years, but I'd 
never heard that one before.? I looked up Nexus Orthicon, and it appears 
on places like Pinterest, but, not totally surprisingly, there are no 
technical diagrams, unlike if you look up Image Orthicon.

I'm pretty certain that Noddy was a vidicon, just like the other 
monochrome cameras in Pres, and that was useful because they didn't 
stick when left on the same shot for a long time. It seems likely that 
"Nexus Orthicon Display Device" was some anorak invention that has 
stuck, and thus now must be true because it says so on the internet.

Unless you know different...?

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From colinhazelwood at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 11 12:23:53 2020
From: colinhazelwood at btinternet.com (Colin Hazelwood)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 18:23:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Proper Scanners.
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All this talk of scanners I thought you might be interested to see the 21st-century version of a proper scanner which is called a scanner because it actually contains a scanner



https://www.alliancemedical.co.uk/what-we-do/diagnostic-imaging/mobile-services


Following the recent dismantling of the Nightingale hospital in East London, mobile CT (computed tomography) scanners and MRI scanners have been moved to the Royal Marsden Hospital in Chelsea.

Looks familiar?

Don?t think I would like to park my car near an MRI scanner even though it is made of aluminium!

All the best

Colin Hazelwood.

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From david.jasma at sky.com  Thu Jun 11 14:43:04 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (David Buckley)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 19:43:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Proper Scanners
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Ref Colin's photo of the CT scanner, it's the MRI version you have to be very careful near as it is effectively a very large magnet. I've had both CT and MRI scans and for MRI you are asked if you have any 'metal' in your body. No for me but my wife has a replacement knee, but for some reason this doesn't count? and she had an MRI without problems. Yet the knee always trips the airport metal detectors and she has to have a second scan by 'wand'.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 11 18:11:10 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 00:11:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Funny things
Message-ID: <194cc02f-c4c3-3016-c9a7-7c128241b165@btinternet.com>

On Tuesday I received a message from Barclays Bank to inform me that 'an 
issue' had arisen with my debit card and they were sending me a new one. 
The new card arrived in the post this morning and soon after I got 
recorded phone message from 'the security department of my bank, about a 
?600 transaction to a foreign country, press button 1 etc.' I rang 
Barclays customer service and was informed that they had fewer people at 
work and the response time was 5-10 minutes. 45 minutes later(!) I got 
to speak to a human being and had a chat about what had just happened. 
He confirmed what I knew, that it was a scam, but couldn't tell me what 
the 'issue' was with my card, but it was probably to do with a scammer. 
I turned the cold water tap on to fill the kettle for lunch and no water 
came out! About 10 minutes later it was back at what seemed a much 
higher pressure. This afternoon two electricity power vans were over the 
road and a Thames water van drove past towing a trailer with a 
mini-digger on it. I'll be glad when it is tomorrow! Cheers, Dave



From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 12 04:41:04 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 10:41:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Funny things
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I got a similar call yesterday. Have disabled my TrueCall for the duration
of this lockdown, as all sorts of old workmates etc have phoned up for a
chat. ;-) 

It said it was from the Visa/Mastercard department of my bank and
mentioned a ?600 foreign transaction.

I doubt Visa and Mastercard cooperate over anything. And most banks would
identify themselves.  

I simply ignore any such calls as regards taking any action they want me
to do. But may just go to my account online to see if there is anything
there to worry me.   

In article <194cc02f-c4c3-3016-c9a7-7c128241b165 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tuesday I received a message from Barclays Bank to inform me that 'an 
> issue' had arisen with my debit card and they were sending me a new one. 
> The new card arrived in the post this morning and soon after I got 
> recorded phone message from 'the security department of my bank, about a 
> ?600 transaction to a foreign country, press button 1 etc.' I rang 
> Barclays customer service and was informed that they had fewer people at 
> work and the response time was 5-10 minutes. 45 minutes later(!) I got 
> to speak to a human being and had a chat about what had just happened. 
> He confirmed what I knew, that it was a scam, but couldn't tell me what 
> the 'issue' was with my card, but it was probably to do with a scammer. 
> I turned the cold water tap on to fill the kettle for lunch and no water 
> came out! About 10 minutes later it was back at what seemed a much 
> higher pressure. This afternoon two electricity power vans were over the 
> road and a Thames water van drove past towing a trailer with a 
> mini-digger on it. I'll be glad when it is tomorrow! Cheers, Dave


> -

-- 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 12 04:49:32 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 10:49:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Not-so funny things!
Message-ID: <df7a01ce-60e4-ab10-bfb8-2727c367bc10@btinternet.com>

I wish I hadn't wished for today! When got up this morning there was a 
Thames Water van outside my house and across the road the 94 year lady 
was outside her house because she had no electricity. The Thames Water 
man said there was? a burst further down my road and our water would be 
going off for an hour, and then the UK Power networks people arrived to 
sort out a fault on the mains affecting several houses on the other side 
of the road! I boiled a kettle of water and went across to the old 
lady's and made her a coffee and put the rest of the water in a bowl so 
that she could wash. All this before 1100! Cheers, Dave.



From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 12 06:25:13 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:25:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Historic OB
Message-ID: <017965B7-EB11-4BC4-B9EC-4FCAA8EC0CEC@me.com>

All sorts of fascinating stuff was spun off from the recent discussion about the origin of the word scanner.  This picture appears in the BBC Annual for 1939 and the caption states that it was taken at Heston Aerodrome.





The picture in itself is interesting.  From left to right we see an open cab fire ladder vehicle which was adapted to provide a 100 foot tower for the radio link aerial.  Possibly the world's only open cab road going OB truck?  Next, with it's bonnet facing us is the vehicle for the radio links transmitter.  The centre vehicle is the scanning van, while the right hand vehicle is probably a portable generator as a typical OB in those days sent out three core trucks, the scanning vehicle ( MCR1 ), the transmitter vehicle and a generator.

Fascinating as all of that might be, the mention of Heston and the year made me wonder what the vehicles were doing there because I immediately thought of Chamberlain flying between Heston Airfield and Munich for discussions with Hitler, famously returning to wave his piece of paper. 

Suspecting that this might be the case is entirely different from knowing it and I wasn't able to find any records of OB movements or programme schedules to support that theory, but I've now found a sound recording of the commentary made at the time.  At about 01:10 into the clip, Richard Dimbleby is describing the aircraft making it's final approach and he says "For those of you who are looking as well as listening ..."

I think that pretty well proves that the BBC did a live TV OB of that momentous occasion and the photograph shows the vehicles used.  Obviously no video images exist from that broadcast and the footage we see these days would have been shot on film cameras, but it's great be able to put this picture into context and to hear the actual commentary made at the time.

Alan Taylor
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jun 12 06:53:27 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:53:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Historic OB
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Very interesting Alan, thanks for that. With my anorak on, the fire escape looks like a Thorneycroft and the links truck is an AEC, like the venerable London buses.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 12 Jun 2020, at 12:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> All sorts of fascinating stuff was spun off from the recent discussion about the origin of the word scanner.  This picture appears in the BBC Annual for 1939 and the caption states that it was taken at Heston Aerodrome.
> 
> <Croydon 1938.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> The picture in itself is interesting.  From left to right we see an open cab fire ladder vehicle which was adapted to provide a 100 foot tower for the radio link aerial.  Possibly the world's only open cab road going OB truck?  Next, with it's bonnet facing us is the vehicle for the radio links transmitter.  The centre vehicle is the scanning van, while the right hand vehicle is probably a portable generator as a typical OB in those days sent out three core trucks, the scanning vehicle ( MCR1 ), the transmitter vehicle and a generator.
> 
> Fascinating as all of that might be, the mention of Heston and the year made me wonder what the vehicles were doing there because I immediately thought of Chamberlain flying between Heston Airfield and Munich for discussions with Hitler, famously returning to wave his piece of paper. 
> 
> Suspecting that this might be the case is entirely different from knowing it and I wasn't able to find any records of OB movements or programme schedules to support that theory, but I've now found a sound recording of the commentary made at the time.  At about 01:10 into the clip, Richard Dimbleby is describing the aircraft making it's final approach and he says "For those of you who are looking as well as listening ..."
> 
> I think that pretty well proves that the BBC did a live TV OB of that momentous occasion and the photograph shows the vehicles used.  Obviously no video images exist from that broadcast and the footage we see these days would have been shot on film cameras, but it's great be able to put this picture into context and to hear the actual commentary made at the time.
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jun 12 06:58:40 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:58:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Historic OB
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References: <017965B7-EB11-4BC4-B9EC-4FCAA8EC0CEC@me.com>
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At the end of the broadcast, Dimbelby say that those watching should stay where they are as Freddy Grisewood would be on shortly! So that confirms there was TV coverage.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 12 Jun 2020, at 12:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> All sorts of fascinating stuff was spun off from the recent discussion about the origin of the word scanner.  This picture appears in the BBC Annual for 1939 and the caption states that it was taken at Heston Aerodrome.
> 
> <Croydon 1938.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> The picture in itself is interesting.  From left to right we see an open cab fire ladder vehicle which was adapted to provide a 100 foot tower for the radio link aerial.  Possibly the world's only open cab road going OB truck?  Next, with it's bonnet facing us is the vehicle for the radio links transmitter.  The centre vehicle is the scanning van, while the right hand vehicle is probably a portable generator as a typical OB in those days sent out three core trucks, the scanning vehicle ( MCR1 ), the transmitter vehicle and a generator.
> 
> Fascinating as all of that might be, the mention of Heston and the year made me wonder what the vehicles were doing there because I immediately thought of Chamberlain flying between Heston Airfield and Munich for discussions with Hitler, famously returning to wave his piece of paper. 
> 
> Suspecting that this might be the case is entirely different from knowing it and I wasn't able to find any records of OB movements or programme schedules to support that theory, but I've now found a sound recording of the commentary made at the time.  At about 01:10 into the clip, Richard Dimbleby is describing the aircraft making it's final approach and he says "For those of you who are looking as well as listening ..."
> 
> I think that pretty well proves that the BBC did a live TV OB of that momentous occasion and the photograph shows the vehicles used.  Obviously no video images exist from that broadcast and the footage we see these days would have been shot on film cameras, but it's great be able to put this picture into context and to hear the actual commentary made at the time.
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 12 07:00:51 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 13:00:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Historic OB
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Dimbleby mentioned the press pack in his commentary, so searched for images of the press pack at that event and managed to get a screen grab from a video which totally nails it.  The camera is clearly a BBC OB camera and an earlier shot doesn't show the camera so clearly, but shows the cameraman wearing the lab coat, so often seen in shots at that time, but not worn by other photographers.  






Alan Taylor


On 12 Jun 2020, at 12 Jun . 12:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> All sorts of fascinating stuff was spun off from the recent discussion about the origin of the word scanner.  This picture appears in the BBC Annual for 1939 and the caption states that it was taken at Heston Aerodrome.
> 
> <Croydon 1938.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> The picture in itself is interesting.  From left to right we see an open cab fire ladder vehicle which was adapted to provide a 100 foot tower for the radio link aerial.  Possibly the world's only open cab road going OB truck?  Next, with it's bonnet facing us is the vehicle for the radio links transmitter.  The centre vehicle is the scanning van, while the right hand vehicle is probably a portable generator as a typical OB in those days sent out three core trucks, the scanning vehicle ( MCR1 ), the transmitter vehicle and a generator.
> 
> Fascinating as all of that might be, the mention of Heston and the year made me wonder what the vehicles were doing there because I immediately thought of Chamberlain flying between Heston Airfield and Munich for discussions with Hitler, famously returning to wave his piece of paper. 
> 
> Suspecting that this might be the case is entirely different from knowing it and I wasn't able to find any records of OB movements or programme schedules to support that theory, but I've now found a sound recording of the commentary made at the time.  At about 01:10 into the clip, Richard Dimbleby is describing the aircraft making it's final approach and he says "For those of you who are looking as well as listening ..."
> 
> I think that pretty well proves that the BBC did a live TV OB of that momentous occasion and the photograph shows the vehicles used.  Obviously no video images exist from that broadcast and the footage we see these days would have been shot on film cameras, but it's great be able to put this picture into context and to hear the actual commentary made at the time.
> 
> Alan Taylor
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From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net  Fri Jun 12 11:08:18 2020
From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 17:08:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The origin of scanner.
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A lovely neighbour of ours [now deceased] was a retired Admiralty then MOD senior scientist/engineer and told me that in his younger days had worked for John Logie Baird when he was based at Crystal Palace in the 30s.

Chatting to him one day in his workshop I noticed a cylindrical object a couple of feet long with a chopped off cable attached on a shelf. It was mounted on a wooden display plinth. I enquired what it was and he told me it was the business end of a dipping sonar probe, lowered from a hovering helicopter to detect submarines.
He then said it was presented to him when he retired from MOD. Strange gift I said. Not really he replied, I invented it???

Cheers

Robin Sutherland

> On 10 Jun 2020, at 10:12, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?m not aware of any MCRs being around prior to the days of ?high definition? 405 line television and doubt that intermediate film processing was ever practical to do on location. Therefore I?m still mystified why the term ?scanning vehicle? was ever used. Obviously the technology was based on scanning a pick up tube and a CRT, but that doesn?t seem a good enough reason to explain naming the truck after it.  
> 
> I?m hoping that somebody can post that old picture once again.  I can?t find it online anywhere and didn?t take a copy at the time.
> 
> I would think it?s unlikely that there is anybody still alive who operated the Baird system.  Even if they were quite young at that time, they would presumably now be at least 110. Our best hope is to find documents from the time, probably via television history enthusiasts, but as the word ?scanner? was informal jargon, it may not appear in official records.
> 
> Alan Taylor 
> 
>> On 10 Jun 2020, at 08:36, Peter Hider <phider at gmx.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Does the term scanner come from the experimental Baird system days when the pictures from an OB had to be scanned by a Nipkow disc in order for it to be copied onto film for instantaneous processing and was the film processing done at the OB site or back at AP? Apparently the scanning of the the picture at one time took place under water during the processing although air bubbles reduced the picture quality.
>>  
>> This processing van would logically be called the scanner. The system was used for the experimental Derby outside broadcast in 1930 and the pictures sent to places like Stockholm and Paris which is remarkable when you realise that the next overseas OB was Richard Dimbleby's from Calais in August 1950.
>>  
>> Are any of our retired BBC engineers still around who operated the Baird system? 
>>  
>> I haven't yet looked but there may be be a mention of a Scanner in the Baird archives.
>>  
>> Keep safe
>> Peter Hider
>>  
>>  
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 at 11:13 PM
>> From: "Alan Taylor via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> To: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fw: Prospero latest edition June
>> This topic came up a number of years ago on UK Broadcast newsgroup.
>> 
>> Like many others, I had always believed that the term scanner was carried over from wartime radar vehicles and I was told that by senior OB staff in the 1960s. For decades I never suspected that there could have been any other explanation, however I?m not at all convinced by it these days.
>> 
>> At that time, the guy living over the road from me was a radar engineer from the pioneering days of radar at Worth Matravers. I asked him about it and he was adamant that the term scanner was rarely used and if it was, it related solely to a rotating dish. The vehicles were referred to as mobile field stations.
>> 
>> I still wasn?t totally convinced, so I did a search on the BBC People?s War site, where people wrote about their WW2 memories. I suspected that there must have been somebody who did something like stepped out of a scanner to have a pee just as a bomb hit it and would explain that if they had stayed in the scanner, they would have been blown to pieces. I couldn?t find any mention of scanner in that context in the whole of that site, or anywhere else on the internet using the word scanner in connection with WW2 radar vehicles.
>> 
>> The convincing snippet of information as far as I was concerned came from a BBC Annual, published in or just before 1939. There was a picture of a BBC MCR and the caption referred to it as the Scanning Vehicle. If I remember correctly, that reference was dug up by one of the KA Comms engineers who attached a copy of that page.
>> 
>> Although the radar explanations seems very plausible and many early video engineers worked on radar systems in the war, the lack of any references to scanners in that context does seem odd if it was truly the general term used for those vehicles, especially as there must have been large numbers of them. The picture in the BBC Annual does seem to be much more plausible and of course predates the invention of radar, so that?s the explanation which I believe ..... unless anybody can come up with a more plausible explanation and back it up with evidence from that time.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> > On 9 Jun 2020, at 21:48, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> > roof.
>> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 12 14:16:25 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:16:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] The End
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They think its all over . . . It is . . . Almost.
Attached is Chapter 24, the final chapter of "Gothic by Gaslight" - which must mean that we've now been locked down for the full 12 weeks! (Should we have a socially-distanced celebration?)
This is just the Epilogue, the tidying-up of loose ends, explanations for any puzzles you may have failed to understand.You may even get to discover Whodunnit . . . There again, maybe you won't!And Alec Bray will learn that a question he asked me a few chapters ago was more insightful than he may have realised. (I'd hoped to distract him by talking about trains!)
It is accompanied by a Dramatis Personae - in case you failed to recognise any of the guest stars.
luv, Roger.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 12 16:24:52 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 22:24:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Useful info.
Message-ID: <85877d8d-6c95-8977-ca6e-e13050c374f9@btinternet.com>

    Information on Walking
    Walking just 20 minutes a day can add months to your life. This
    enables you,at 85 years old,to spend an additional 5 months in a
    nursing home at ?4,000 per month. My grandpa started walking five
    miles a day when he was 60.Now he's 97 years old and we don't know
    where he is. I like long walks, especiallywhen they're taken by
    people who annoy me.

I have to walk early in the morning, before my brain works out what I'm 
doing..


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 12 16:56:14 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 22:56:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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The other day I noticed that the neon 'ON' light in one of my Duraplug 
4-way 13 amp. dis. boards wasn't on. Having dismantled it I found that 
the tiny neon bulb was black. It had a very small 27K. resistor in 
series with it. Searching my component store bulb drawer I found another 
neon the same size, with a 15K. resistor in series with it! Fitting it 
into the splitter was very fiddly and getting the correct length of wire 
was critical. Anyway, it is now fitted and working, so another success 
for Grandad! Some time ago Doreen gave me a small plaque which reads - 
'Grandfathers are for Loving and Fixing Things' - I think I qualify for 
both! She also gave me another, I can't think why! Cheers, Dave


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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Fri Jun 12 20:25:43 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 02:25:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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The coloured bands on some modern miniature resistors are notoriously
difficult to read. Perhaps that's the case here. I suspect that the ohmic
values should both be increased by a factor of 10. The current values give
(assuming a maintaining voltage of 70 V for the neon bulbs) powers of about
1 W and 2 W in the resistors ? quite enough to fry them. Values of 150 or
270 k? would seem more reasonable.
KW

On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 22:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> The other day I noticed that the neon 'ON' light in one of my Duraplug
> 4-way 13 amp. dis. boards wasn't on. Having dismantled it I found that
> the tiny neon bulb was black. It had a very small 27K. resistor in
> series with it. Searching my component store bulb drawer I found another
> neon the same size, with a 15K. resistor in series with it! Fitting it
> into the splitter was very fiddly and getting the correct length of wire
> was critical. Anyway, it is now fitted and working, so another success
> for Grandad! Some time ago Doreen gave me a small plaque which reads -
> 'Grandfathers are for Loving and Fixing Things' - I think I qualify for
> both! She also gave me another, I can't think why! Cheers, Dave
>
>
> >
> >
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 13 03:12:15 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:12:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow! 
Cheers, Dave

On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:
> The coloured bands on some modern miniature resistors are notoriously 
> difficult to read. Perhaps that's the case here. I suspect that the 
> ohmic values should both be increased by a factor of 10. The current 
> values give (assuming a maintaining voltage of 70 V for the neon 
> bulbs) powers of about 1 W and 2 W in the resistors ? quite enough to 
> fry them. Values of 150 or 270 k? would seem more reasonable.
> KW
>
> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 22:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     The other day I noticed that the neon 'ON' light in one of my
>     Duraplug
>     4-way 13 amp. dis. boards wasn't on. Having dismantled it I found
>     that
>     the tiny neon bulb was black. It had a very small 27K. resistor in
>     series with it. Searching my component store bulb drawer I found
>     another
>     neon the same size, with a 15K. resistor in series with it!
>     Fitting it
>     into the splitter was very fiddly and getting the correct length
>     of wire
>     was critical. Anyway, it is now fitted and working, so another
>     success
>     for Grandad! Some time ago Doreen gave me a small plaque which
>     reads -
>     'Grandfathers are for Loving and Fixing Things' - I think I
>     qualify for
>     both! She also gave me another, I can't think why! Cheers, Dave
>
>
>     >
>     >
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Jun 13 03:22:06 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:22:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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With the current situation in the world, we can?t possibly use the old mnemonic to remember resistor colour codes.

B**** Boys R*** Only Young Girls because V****** Give Way

Now ?Billy Brown? I believe but that may be a problem also now

Mike

From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:12 AM
To: Keith Wicks ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Today

Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow! Cheers, Dave


On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:

  The coloured bands on some modern miniature resistors are notoriously difficult to read. Perhaps that's the case here. I suspect that the ohmic values should both be increased by a factor of 10. The current values give (assuming a maintaining voltage of 70 V for the neon bulbs) powers of about 1 W and 2 W in the resistors ? quite enough to fry them. Values of 150 or 270 k? would seem more reasonable.
  KW

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun 13 03:39:43 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 09:39:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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The resistor code is useful for all sorts of identification purposes, but it?s not without it?s problems. 

I was mixing a show where audience members could ask questions using radio stick mics. There were three microphones in use and they were being passed to participants by young ladies who were chosen for aesthetic reasons rather than any technical empathy.  During the rehearsal it became blindingly obvious that the original plan of having one mic for left, one for the centre and one for the right was a bit too hard to understand and microphones were being passed around randomly.

The solution was to colour code the microphones numbered 1 to 3 and have a spotter telling me which mic was about to be used.  That was all very well except the the coloured tapes we had weren?t particularly true colours, the lighting in the auditorium was dim and people tended to hold the microphone in such a way that the colour code was obscured.  When we went live, I was getting incorrect calls because a quick glimpse of dimly lit coloured tape could easily be mistaken to be brown, red or orange as those colours were all fairly similar when glimpsed in isolation. In hindsight it would have been more practical to colour the microphones red, yellow and blue.

On a different show we had a long loom of cables all colour coded which the riggers had installed for us. I was a bit surprised that the numbering sequence wasn?t as expected.  Guessing that the riggers might not know the resistor colour code, I was trying to work out their sequence.  It wasn?t colours of the rainbow, nor was it colour names in alphabetical order.  I was confident that there had to be a logical explanation but couldn?t work it out.  When I asked them, they looked at me as though I were a complete idiot for not recognising the values of the balls on a snooker table.

Alan Taylor

> On 13 Jun 2020, at 09:12, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow! Cheers, Dave
> 
>> On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:
>> The coloured bands on some modern miniature resistors are notoriously difficult to read. Perhaps that's the case here. I suspect that the ohmic values should both be increased by a factor of 10. The current values give (assuming a maintaining voltage of 70 V for the neon bulbs) powers of about 1 W and 2 W in the resistors ? quite enough to fry them. Values of 150 or 270 k? would seem more reasonable.
>> KW
>> 
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2020 at 22:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The other day I noticed that the neon 'ON' light in one of my Duraplug 
>>> 4-way 13 amp. dis. boards wasn't on. Having dismantled it I found that 
>>> the tiny neon bulb was black. It had a very small 27K. resistor in 
>>> series with it. Searching my component store bulb drawer I found another 
>>> neon the same size, with a 15K. resistor in series with it! Fitting it 
>>> into the splitter was very fiddly and getting the correct length of wire 
>>> was critical. Anyway, it is now fitted and working, so another success 
>>> for Grandad! Some time ago Doreen gave me a small plaque which reads - 
>>> 'Grandfathers are for Loving and Fixing Things' - I think I qualify for 
>>> both! She also gave me another, I can't think why! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >
>>> -- 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 13 04:26:57 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 10:26:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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What was the code for cables on camera plans?
Randy Young Boys Get Maidens Often

Something like that anyone know?


> On 13 Jun 2020, at 09:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> With the current situation in the world, we can?t possibly use the old mnemonic to remember resistor colour codes.
>  
> B**** Boys R*** Only Young Girls because V****** Give Way
>  
> Now ?Billy Brown? I believe but that may be a problem also now
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:12 AM
> To: Keith Wicks <mailto:keithwicksuk at gmail.com> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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>  
> Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow! Cheers, Dave
> On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:
>> The coloured bands on some modern miniature resistors are notoriously difficult to read. Perhaps that's the case here. I suspect that the ohmic values should both be increased by a factor of 10. The current values give (assuming a maintaining voltage of 70 V for the neon bulbs) powers of about 1 W and 2 W in the resistors ? quite enough to fry them. Values of 150 or 270 k? would seem more reasonable.
>> KW
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sat Jun 13 05:26:45 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 11:26:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Trouping
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1592044017.377259.tech1_tech-ops.co.uk@tech-ops.co.uk>

Bouquets all round for coverage of today's Trouping the Colour. Sound coverage was excellent. Wonder who was responsible?JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun 13 05:36:54 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 11:36:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Trouping
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It was very impressive, but how do they achieve social distancing in the scanner?


? 
Graeme Wall


> On 13 Jun 2020, at 11:26, jpn via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Bouquets all round for coverage of today's Trouping the Colour. Sound coverage was excellent. Wonder who was responsible?
> 
> John
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> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 13 06:41:38 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Trooping
Message-ID: <f524c225-34a7-aa58-7f09-97ef21d7357c@btinternet.com>

I thought that the Beeb's coverage was far better than Sky News. It 
looked great in HD. Cheers, Dave



From martin at theeccles.uk  Sat Jun 13 07:44:40 2020
From: martin at theeccles.uk (Martin Eccles)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 13:44:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Trooping
Message-ID: <00a801d64180$6a868b30$3f93a190$@theeccles.uk>

The sound coverage was great wherever the band went and the pictures were
cracking in the sunshine
but Huw Edwards would not stop talking over the music that he was saying was
so wonderful.
Martin.

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Subject: [Tech1] Re. Trooping

I thought that the Beeb's coverage was far better than Sky News. It looked
great in HD. Cheers, Dave


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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jun 13 08:15:36 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 14:15:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Re. Trooping
In-Reply-To: <00a801d64180$6a868b30$3f93a190$@theeccles.uk>
References: <00a801d64180$6a868b30$3f93a190$@theeccles.uk>
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Well said, Martin - can?t stand the man, but does that make me a racist, as I?m not from over the border?

Mike G

> On 13 Jun 2020, at 13:45, Martin Eccles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The sound coverage was great wherever the band went and the pictures were
> cracking in the sunshine
> but Huw Edwards would not stop talking over the music that he was saying was
> so wonderful.
> Martin.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 13 June 2020 12:42
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Re. Trooping
> 
> I thought that the Beeb's coverage was far better than Sky News. It looked
> great in HD. Cheers, Dave
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 13 13:53:46 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 19:53:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Feeling old!
Message-ID: <5ee520ba.1c69fb81.6aabc.1409@mx.google.com>

I would think that most of my 60?s contemporaries are like myself, creeping up on 80.
But what makes me feel old are the ?Celebrity? versions of popular game shows ? I don?t recognise,
or have never heard of, these ?celebrities?!
Best
Pat

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Sat Jun 13 13:57:05 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 19:57:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Feeling old!
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jun 13 17:00:51 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:00:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fast housing
Message-ID: <0015a3cc-f7f7-cfb2-8ab2-509cf5ca7bd1@btinternet.com>

Now, if only they made classrooms I think they might make a few sales! 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jun 13 17:32:11 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:32:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fast housing
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What?s the screwdriver for? They reminded me of Transformers, if you ever got involved with those through children or grandchildren.

Not that I am a doubting Thomas, but I did a quick search and these are apparently for real, starting at about $129,000, as per the link below.

<http://www.jillgalloway.com/blog/popuphouse <http://www.jillgalloway.com/blog/popuphouse>>

Mike G

> On 13 Jun 2020, at 23:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> Now, if only they made classrooms I think they might make a few sales! Cheers, Dave
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jun 14 01:47:48 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:47:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fast housing
In-Reply-To: <0D5BF8FC-1554-4A7E-A035-A7B1974FB602@mac.com>
References: <0015a3cc-f7f7-cfb2-8ab2-509cf5ca7bd1@btinternet.com>
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When this concept was demonstrated on George Clarke's Amazing Spaces, I was working on an OB the following day and as the triple expanding OB truck was being collapsed to it's road-going form, several of us were discussing whether that idea might make it's way onto OB vehicles.

The clip shown on George's programme appeared to show that when in it's travelling mode, all the interior space was entirely filled with the various panels which eventually form the outside, therefore there appeared to be minimal space for equipment racks, a sound desk or vision mixer to be carried.  My conclusion was that it wouldn't be particularly suitable for a mobile control room, but might make a spectacular portable presentation studio for events such as golf tournaments, horse racing or motor racing, where there is often quite a lot of space available and where only a limited amount of equipment might need to be accommodated, such as lighting control, radio mic receivers, monitors and comms.

Having seen this clip, there was one simulation where what might have been a wall of kitchen equipment folded out. That implied that broadcasting equipment could be handled too, but I have my doubts whether it could house enough racks of equipment and control surfaces for a modern OB truck. On the other hand, it could work for certain specialised applications where there is less equipment to be housed and operated.

Alan Taylor



On 13 Jun 2020, at 13 Jun . 23:32, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> What?s the screwdriver for? They reminded me of Transformers, if you ever got involved with those through children or grandchildren.
> 
> Not that I am a doubting Thomas, but I did a quick search and these are apparently for real, starting at about $129,000, as per the link below.
> 
> <http://www.jillgalloway.com/blog/popuphouse>
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 13 Jun 2020, at 23:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Now, if only they made classrooms I think they might make a few sales! Cheers, Dave
>> 
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From tuckergarth at me.com  Sun Jun 14 02:35:26 2020
From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 08:35:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
Message-ID: <21FC34DF-BEAD-4035-AB27-AC247001C872@me.com>

Is there anyone out there that can help me? I have vague memories of being with a camera crew in one of the bigger TVC studios recording a number by the Rolling Stones which was being lit by Bob Wright. My son is asking me questions about it which I cannot answer. I think it must have been pre-1969 because I believe Brian Jones was present and was enthusiastically agreeing with Mick Jagger that the Lighting was the best they?d come across, they were being lit independently from both sides and Bob and his team were cutting between the two conditions in time to the music. Garth
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 07:37:54 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:37:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
In-Reply-To: <21FC34DF-BEAD-4035-AB27-AC247001C872@me.com>
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The Stones did ?Honky Tonk Women? for TOTP the week after Jones died in 1969, 10-07-69.

Before then you?d have to go back to 1967 as they only sent videos in 1968.

26-01-67 - Let?s Spend the Night Together
02-02-67 - Ruby Tuesday
28-12-67 ? 2000 Light Years From Home

Though I?ve no idea if they were pre-recorded performances, or even from TC.

Could it be ?2000 years??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYmfXeKt9Y

David


From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 8:35 AM
To: tech1 > 
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.

Is there anyone out there that can help me? I have vague memories of being with a camera crew in one of the bigger TVC studios recording a number by the Rolling Stones which was being lit by Bob Wright. My son is asking me questions about it which I cannot answer. I think it must have been pre-1969 because I believe Brian Jones was present and was enthusiastically agreeing with Mick Jagger that the Lighting was the best they?d come across, they were being lit independently from both sides and Bob and his team were cutting between the two conditions in time to the music. Garth



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Jun 14 08:17:02 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:17:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
In-Reply-To: <59A8FCB557E54861BA9FE82EF6DAD4B8@0023242e4e14>
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TOTP was still Studio G for those wasn?t it?

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 14 Jun 2020, at 13:37, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> The Stones did ?Honky Tonk Women? for TOTP the week after Jones died in 1969, 10-07-69.
> 
> Before then you?d have to go back to 1967 as they only sent videos in 1968.
> 
> 26-01-67 - Let?s Spend the Night Together
> 02-02-67 - Ruby Tuesday
> 28-12-67 ? 2000 Light Years From Home
> 
> Though I?ve no idea if they were pre-recorded performances, or even from TC.
> 
> Could it be ?2000 years??
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYmfXeKt9Y
> 
> David
>  
> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 8:35 AM
> To: tech1 >
> Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
>  
> Is there anyone out there that can help me? I have vague memories of being with a camera crew in one of the bigger TVC studios recording a number by the Rolling Stones which was being lit by Bob Wright. My son is asking me questions about it which I cannot answer. I think it must have been pre-1969 because I believe Brian Jones was present and was enthusiastically agreeing with Mick Jagger that the Lighting was the best they?d come across, they were being lit independently from both sides and Bob and his team were cutting between the two conditions in time to the music. Garth
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 09:38:49 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:38:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
In-Reply-To: <3DF3134E-2E24-478E-B6DC-40A920F63BCD@icloud.com>
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There were some occasional TOTP in TV Centre (the Beatles one in 1966, for 
example).  That's why I'm not certain if they were TVC, Lime Grove or 
Riverside (where a lot of the pre-recorded inserts were done).




-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 2:17 PM
To: David Brunt
Cc: Garth Tucker ; Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.

TOTP was still Studio G for those wasn?t it?

?
Graeme Wall


> On 14 Jun 2020, at 13:37, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> The Stones did ?Honky Tonk Women? for TOTP the week after Jones died in 
> 1969, 10-07-69.
>
> Before then you?d have to go back to 1967 as they only sent videos in 
> 1968.
>
> 26-01-67 - Let?s Spend the Night Together
> 02-02-67 - Ruby Tuesday
> 28-12-67 ? 2000 Light Years From Home
>
> Though I?ve no idea if they were pre-recorded performances, or even from 
> TC.
>
> Could it be ?2000 years??
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjYmfXeKt9Y
>
> David
>
> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 8:35 AM
> To: tech1 >
> Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
>
> Is there anyone out there that can help me? I have vague memories of being 
> with a camera crew in one of the bigger TVC studios recording a number by 
> the Rolling Stones which was being lit by Bob Wright. My son is asking me 
> questions about it which I cannot answer. I think it must have been 
> pre-1969 because I believe Brian Jones was present and was 
> enthusiastically agreeing with Mick Jagger that the Lighting was the best 
> they?d come across, they were being lit independently from both sides and 
> Bob and his team were cutting between the two conditions in time to the 
> music. Garth
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 14 09:49:55 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:49:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright
In-Reply-To: <21FC34DF-BEAD-4035-AB27-AC247001C872@me.com>
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I believe that Bob Wright had  a claim to fame by lighting a production of Hamlet at Elsinore, in the 15th-century Kronborg Castle, by having sparks holding poles on which were mounted light sources (Redheads?).
I don?t know if they were battery powered, but the whole point was that they were very flexibly mobile.
Think the sparks christened them ?BobLights?.
Anyone got any further info?
Pat

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From: Garth Tucker via Tech1
Sent: 14 June 2020 08:35
To: tech1 >
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.

being lit by Bob Wright. 



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 14 10:23:24 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:23:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Feeling old!
In-Reply-To: <8d3gp5ultktk7tvc90j31o66.1592074625773@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Nice one, Paul,
My further thought is that today?s producers and directors are so young that they cannot think any further back than 2000.
Maybe my fault is that I do not view the ?popular? soaps, so am unaware of which actors are more likely to be recognised by the viewers, thus guaranteeing an audience and if on a commercials channel, very necessary.

Pat

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From: Paul Thackray
Sent: 13 June 2020 19:57
To: pat.heigham at amps.net; Tech 1
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Feeling old!

I suspect quite a few of the `celebrities`do not recognise each other either!

Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 13 June 2020 19:54
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: pat.heigham at amps.net
Subject: [Tech1] Feeling old!
I would think that most of my 60?s contemporaries are like myself, creeping up on 80.
But what makes me feel old are the ?Celebrity? versions of popular game shows ? I don?t recognise,
or have never heard of, these ?celebrities?!
Best
Pat
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 12:02:53 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 18:02:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Hi all,

We did the first ever Beatles insert for TOTP from the TV Theatre, 
Thursday 19th March 1964 as a 35mm FILM recording (so why is it lost?) , 
txed the following Wednesday.

-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 14 13:48:22 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 19:48:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles was Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Just wonder if this might have been the Beatles appearing on Pops & Lenny:
Beatles on Pops & Lenny
My Beatles Story: I worked for BBC TV Tech Ops during the '60's and on a Light Entertainment crew which did "Pops & Lenny the Lion" for the kids at 5 o'clock.
Each week we used to have a pop group in to do a number - might have been Gerry & the Pacemakers, Freddie & the Dreamers - whatever.
We had a standard mic rig - covering lead, rhythm and bass guitar and drum kit, plus vocals, so it was pretty well (yawn) Oh, another lot!
I used to operate a mini-Fisher boom, located on the circle of the TV Theatre, looking after a side set on the stage apron, and during the Beatles number, for it was they, I was aware that the whole circle was vibrating. Looking round I saw that the complete teenage audience were legging it for the exits, presumably to get to the stage door.
Years later, I was recording an interview with Paul McCartney and chatting with him, told him that this had been my first exposure to The Beatles - and we had a good laugh.
Pat

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From: Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 14 June 2020 18:03
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.

Hi all,

We did the first ever Beatles insert for TOTP from the TV Theatre, 
Thursday 19th March 1964 as a 35mm FILM recording (so why is it lost?) , 
txed the following Wednesday.

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Best Regards

Alec




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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 13:59:10 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 19:59:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles was Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Hi Pat,
Sorry Pat! It was absolutely definitely TOTP. We were TODS to do the racing
results from the TV Theatre, and stayed to do The Beatles.  They had spent
the day filming for "A Hard Day's Night".

Best regards Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 19:48 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Just wonder if this might have been the Beatles appearing on Pops & Lenny:
>
> *Beatles on Pops & Lenny*
>
> My Beatles Story: I worked for BBC TV Tech Ops during the '60's and on a
> Light Entertainment crew which did "Pops & Lenny the Lion" for the kids at
> 5 o'clock.
>
> Each week we used to have a pop group in to do a number - might have been
> Gerry & the Pacemakers, Freddie & the Dreamers - whatever.
>
> We had a standard mic rig - covering lead, rhythm and bass guitar and drum
> kit, plus vocals, so it was pretty well (yawn) Oh, another lot!
>
> I used to operate a mini-Fisher boom, located on the circle of the TV
> Theatre, looking after a side set on the stage apron, and during the
> Beatles number, for it was they, I was aware that the whole circle was
> vibrating. Looking round I saw that the complete teenage audience were
> legging it for the exits, presumably to get to the stage door.
>
> Years later, I was recording an interview with Paul McCartney and chatting
> with him, told him that this had been my first exposure to The Beatles -
> and we had a good laugh.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *14 June 2020 18:03
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> We did the first ever Beatles insert for TOTP from the TV Theatre,
>
> Thursday 19th March 1964 as a 35mm FILM recording (so why is it lost?) ,
>
> txed the following Wednesday.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Best Regards
>
>
>
> Alec
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 14 14:03:02 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:03:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
In-Reply-To: <CF03655C310B4E48B3E5D0FB59D91C93@0023242e4e14>
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TOTP was still Studio G for those wasn?t it?

Graeme Wall


David Brunt has the most encylopaedic knowledge and is brilliant!
I offer a couple of stories when working in G as Grams:
TOTP:
Harry Secombe achieved the charts with ?If I Ruled the World? from
Pickwick, so came into the studio for TOTP.
On rehearsal, the galleries were empty, as everyone went onto the floor to see and cheer him.
Didn?t bother with the pop groups!

TOTP:
After one recording, he PA came into the Sound gallery  and asked me to play a test
acetate disc to be used for next week?s show, so she could time it.
When finished, John Milner, sitting in the corner, observed:
?That is going to be a huge and horrible hit!?
(Tom Jones ? Delilah)

Pat


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jun 14 14:14:17 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:14:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles was Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Thanks, Alec, nice that some people have intact memories!
I remember LG ?G? mostly for Grandstand, and a particular Saturday
when, because of weather, there was no sport coming in from any of the OB?s, so Pres decided to run a film. We all sat around a studio monitor on the green canvas chairs, and watched ?Berlin Express?
which is still being churned out to this day!
Pat

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From: Alec Bray
Sent: 14 June 2020 19:59
To: patheigham
Cc: Tech Ops Group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Beatles was Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.

Hi?Pat,
Sorry Pat! It was absolutely definitely TOTP. We were TODS to do the racing results from the TV Theatre, and stayed to do The Beatles.? They had spent the day filming for "A Hard Day's Night".

Best regards Alec




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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sun Jun 14 14:31:33 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 19:31:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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Well, sorry to be a party pooper, but I only ever knew that Big Bad Richard Of York Gave Battle Versus George Washington. Randy Boys, Virginal Maidens, and the rest never entered my purview. (or should that be pure-view?)

TeaTeaFN - Goody two-shoes - Tony

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On Saturday, 13 June 2020 10:26, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> What was the code for cables on camera plans?
> Randy Young Boys Get Maidens Often
>
> Something like that anyone know?
>
>> On 13 Jun 2020, at 09:22, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> With the current situation in the world, we can?t possibly use the old mnemonic to remember resistor colour codes.
>>
>> B**** Boys R*** Only Young Girls because V****** Give Way
>>
>> Now ?Billy Brown? I believe but that may be a problem also now
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> From: [dave.mdv via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:12 AM
>> To: [Keith Wicks](mailto:keithwicksuk at gmail.com) ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Today
>>
>> Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow! Cheers, Dave
>> On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:
>>
>>> The coloured bands on some modern miniature resistors are notoriously difficult to read. Perhaps that's the case here. I suspect that the ohmic values should both be increased by a factor of 10. The current values give (assuming a maintaining voltage of 70 V for the neon bulbs) powers of about 1 W and 2 W in the resistors ? quite enough to fry them. Values of 150 or 270 k? would seem more reasonable.
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 14:35:20 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:35:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles was Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Hi Pat,
I was rather helped by a book that documents all the Beatles activities.
I'll have a look tomorrow for Lenny and co if you like!

Best regards Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Sun, 14 Jun 2020, 20:14 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Alec, nice that some people have intact memories!
>
> I remember LG ?G? mostly for Grandstand, and a particular Saturday
>
> when, because of weather, there was no sport coming in from any of the
> OB?s, so Pres decided to run a film. We all sat around a studio monitor on
> the green canvas chairs, and watched ?Berlin Express?
>
> which is *still* being churned out to this day!
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *14 June 2020 19:59
> *To: *patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Tech Ops Group <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Beatles was Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
>
>
>
> Hi Pat,
>
> Sorry Pat! It was absolutely definitely TOTP. We were TODS to do the
> racing results from the TV Theatre, and stayed to do The Beatles.  They had
> spent the day filming for "A Hard Day's Night".
>
>
>
> Best regards Alec
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Sun Jun 14 15:01:52 2020
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:01:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
Message-ID: <CAKrdDqusyOAcx9whWPczCKdy4gA-hk-_jnm6PHXFYJLR1-m4xw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since I'm
trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most notable
'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was shown to 'The
World',  I thought I'd ask something about the photo of the 'Our World'
crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on Tech Ops.
First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the
people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles EMI
Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does......
Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch with
Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at Abbey Road.
He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it was
MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh Cartwright
was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave Gautier on the
camera.

As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. Thanks
to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and continued with Alex
Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus your comments on the guys
seen
[image: 1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg]
Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey Singer on
the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what they were doing
on the show !!
And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be
appreciated.
?Our World? ? more about this programme Posted on May 29, 2016
<http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/our-world-more-about-this-programme/> by Alec
Bray <http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/author/alec/>
Thanks so much
Dave Taylor
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sun Jun 14 15:14:07 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:14:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Yes, I did a Rolling Stones shoot for TOTP the afternoon before the live TX in one of the TVC studios. I've just trawled Youtube to find it, as I came across it at least six or seven years ago, and thought - I did that! - but I can't find it at all. I have no recollection of which crew I was on, what song they were singing, or who lit it, were they singing live or miming, but it was in colour, so 2001s. I'm fairly sure it wasn't Brown Sugar, but other than that I can't be sure. Very annoying, although I do remember they were on a raised rostra and I was shooting from camera left fairly low down and at one point had an MCU of Jagger with a defocussed coloured 2k in the background possibly even with a star filter (in fact, almost probably with a star filter!).

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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On Sunday, 14 June 2020 08:35, Garth Tucker via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Is there anyone out there that can help me? I have vague memories of being with a camera crew in one of the bigger TVC studios recording a number by the Rolling Stones which was being lit by Bob Wright. My son is asking me questions about it which I cannot answer. I think it must have been pre-1969 because I believe Brian Jones was present and was enthusiastically agreeing with Mick Jagger that the Lighting was the best they?d come across, they were being lit independently from both sides and Bob and his team were cutting between the two conditions in time to the music. Garth
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sun Jun 14 15:31:52 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 20:31:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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Yes, I worked on Our World, but next door in TC2, simply adding in the odd caption throughout the proceedings. I'm fairly sure that was when I was in crew 15, Ian Gibb (Emu), although not all of us are in the 'official' photo here (yes, I missed out). As far as the photo goes, I can see mother (Joan Marsden) was FM, clutching a clip board, front row centre, I also spot various crew members, such as Doug Puddifoot, clutching a roll of camera tape, John Corby, I think, just behind him, and John Farr behind him again. There's Mike Minchen a few along from mother, and lot's of familiar faces to whom I am as yet unable to put names to.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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On Sunday, 14 June 2020 21:01, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was shown to 'The World', I thought I'd ask something about the photo of the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on Tech Ops.
> First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does......
> Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at Abbey Road.
> He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave Gautier on the camera.
>
> As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus your comments on the guys seen
> [1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg]
> Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what they were doing on the show !!
> And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be appreciated.
>
> ?Our World? ? more about this programme
>
> Posted on[May 29, 2016](http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/our-world-more-about-this-programme/) by [Alec Bray](http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/author/alec/)
>
> Thanks so much
> Dave Taylor
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 15:39:22 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:39:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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On 14/06/2020 13:37, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> as they only sent videos in 1968.


I don't think that's true.? I worked on a TOTP pre-recording of Jumpin 
Jack Flash on either 23/5/68 or? 13/6/68 in Studio G Lime Grove.? It 
rather stands out in my memory because I was tracking Al Kerridge on a 
Heron, as always, and when I spun the machine round I ripped up the 
floor which had been badly repaired after the week before, when the 
Heron cable guard ripped a slot in it on the live show.

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 15:45:26 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 21:45:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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That sounds like one of two choices:

The Christmas Day Top of the Pops where they did ?Honky Tonk Women?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KyFrDY1hz8

The ?Pop Goes the Sixties? special. New Year?s Eve 1969.
The Stones performed ?Gimme Shelter?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBva-z1AsGk

They were most likely both done in the same session a few days earlier.





From: techtone via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:14 PM
To: Garth Tucker 
Cc: tech1 > 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.

Yes, I did a Rolling Stones shoot for TOTP the afternoon before the live TX in one of the TVC studios. I've just trawled Youtube to find it, as I came across it at least six or seven years ago, and thought - I did that! - but I can't find it at all. I have no recollection of which crew I was on, what song they were singing, or who lit it, were they singing live or miming, but it was in colour, so 2001s. I'm fairly sure it wasn't Brown Sugar, but other than that I can't be sure. Very annoying, although I do remember they were on a raised rostra and I was shooting from camera left fairly low down and at one point had an MCU of Jagger with a defocussed coloured 2k in the background possibly even with a star filter (in fact, almost probably with a star filter!).


TeaTeaFN - Tony


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On Sunday, 14 June 2020 08:35, Garth Tucker via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  Is there anyone out there that can help me? I have vague memories of being with a camera crew in one of the bigger TVC studios recording a number by the Rolling Stones which was being lit by Bob Wright. My son is asking me questions about it which I cannot answer. I think it must have been pre-1969 because I believe Brian Jones was present and was enthusiastically agreeing with Mick Jagger that the Lighting was the best they?d come across, they were being lit independently from both sides and Bob and his team were cutting between the two conditions in time to the music. Garth





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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jun 14 16:42:11 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 22:42:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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Is that Dave Hanks just behind Mother?

Dave Newbitt.

From: techtone via Tech1 
Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:31 PM
Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again

Yes, I worked on Our World, but next door in TC2, simply adding in the odd caption throughout the proceedings. I'm fairly sure that was when I was in crew 15, Ian Gibb (Emu), although not all of us are in the 'official' photo here (yes, I missed out). As far as the photo goes, I can see mother (Joan Marsden) was FM, clutching a clip board, front row centre, I also spot various crew members, such as Doug Puddifoot, clutching a roll of camera tape, John Corby, I think, just behind him, and John Farr behind him again. There's Mike Minchen a few along from mother, and lot's of familiar faces to whom I am as yet unable to put names to.


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??????? Original Message ???????

On Sunday, 14 June 2020 21:01, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was shown to 'The World',  I thought I'd ask something about the photo of the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on Tech Ops.

  First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does...... 

  Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at Abbey Road.

  He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave Gautier on the camera.


  As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus your comments on the guys seen



  Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what they were doing on the show !!

  And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be appreciated.

  ?Our World? ? more about this programme

  Posted on May 29, 2016 by Alec Bray



  Thanks so much

  Dave Taylor






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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jun 14 18:37:53 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 00:37:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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Certainly looks like him, Dave, Cheers, Dave

On 14/06/2020 22:42, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Is that Dave Hanks just behind Mother?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* techtone via Tech1
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:31 PM
> *Cc:* Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
> Yes, I worked on Our World, but next door in TC2, simply adding in the 
> odd caption throughout the proceedings. I'm fairly sure that was when 
> I was in crew 15, Ian Gibb (Emu), although not all of us are in the 
> 'official' photo here (yes, I missed out). As far as the photo goes, I 
> can see mother (Joan Marsden) was FM, clutching a clip board, front 
> row centre, I also spot various crew members, such as Doug Puddifoot, 
> clutching a roll of camera tape, John Corby, I think, just behind him, 
> and John Farr behind him again. There's Mike Minchen a few along from 
> mother, and lot's of familiar faces to whom I am as yet unable to put 
> names to.
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Sunday, 14 June 2020 21:01, David Taylor via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since 
>> I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most 
>> notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was 
>> shown to 'The World',? I thought I'd ask something about the photo of 
>> the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on 
>> Tech Ops.
>> First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the 
>> people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles 
>> EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does......
>> Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch 
>> with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at 
>> Abbey Road.
>> He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it 
>> was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh 
>> Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave 
>> Gautier on the camera.
>> As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. 
>> Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and 
>> continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus 
>> your comments on the guys seen
>> 1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg
>> Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey 
>> Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what 
>> they were doing on the show !!
>> And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be 
>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>>   ?Our World? ? more about this programme
>>
>>
>>   Posted onMay 29, 2016
>>   <http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/our-world-more-about-this-programme/>by
>>   Alec Bray <http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/author/alec/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks so much
>> Dave Taylor
>
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 18:39:38 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 00:39:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
Message-ID: <5B5D1F5C-A075-4F50-A089-436A0A0D2083@gmail.com>

?First off, if the crane you?re referring to is the one in the picture as I assume, it?s not a Mole but a Transatlantic. I worked on The Songs of the American Civil War in TC-1 where it was used and it came with its own driver.
I recognise a few of the people pictured, notably FM ?Mother? Joan Marsden in the front row with arms across her script board and what may be cameraman Mike Figini two places to the right of her wearing a characteristic white shirt with the sleeves rolled up. The man behind Joan?s camera left shoulder I?m pretty sure is Vision Mixer Dave Hanks as Dave says as he has that look about him. At the back right, the man highest up leaning over the arm of the crane could be Terry Loader and in the middle of the the group on the right, the man in the glasses with head tilted up looks like lighting man John Farr but he can confirm or deny that I?m sure. The bald guy in front of him looks like a back projection operator whose name I?ve forgotten (was it Ted?).
Other people will no doubt give their opinion on all of this but it would be a good day if everyone in the picture was identified positively as the faces are a bit blurred anyway. The task would be made easier if someone could overlay a numbering plan on it so we knew which of the people we were talking about,
Regards,
Geoff Hawkes

>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:02, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was shown to 'The World',  I thought I'd ask something about the photo of the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on Tech Ops.
> First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does...... 
> Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at Abbey Road.
> He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave Gautier on the camera.
> 
> As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus your comments on the guys seen
> <1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg>
> 
> Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what they were doing on the show !!
> And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be appreciated.
> ?Our World? ? more about this programme
> Posted on May 29, 2016 by Alec Bray
> 
> Thanks so much
> Dave Taylor
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 02:51:36 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 08:51:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Beatles was Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Hi Pat and others,

The Beatles appeared on "Pops and Lenny" from the TV Theatre on 16th May 
1963.

You can probably count the 405 lines ...

"... The Beatles' second appearance on national BBC TV was in the 
children's series Pops and Lenny, broadcast live, in front of an 
enthusiastic audience, from the Television Theatre in west London.? ....

...The Beatles arrived at Television Theatre in time for a 1.30pm 
rehearsal and performed two songs on the 5.00-5.30 broadcast, 'From Me 
To You' and a shortened (1 min 5 secs) version of 'Please Please Me'.? 
They also joined resident musicians the Bert Hayes Octet and other 
members of the cast - Terry Hall, the Raindrops, Patsy Ann Noble, and, 
of course, Lenny the Lion - for the finale, a one minute version of 
'After You've Gone', the Creamer/Layton standard written in 1929 ..."

"The Complete Beatles Chronicle"? Mark Lewisohn

(IIRC from previous emails some long time ago, some people here know 
Mark Lewisohn)


If you are interested, you ALL helped to produce a similar sort of book 
on Jimi Hendrix - "Jimi Hendrix at the BBC" by Caesar Gleebbeek".? He 
contacted Bernie through the Tech Ops website and in the end I seemed to 
be his main "conduit" to you all.? He would ask a question like "What 
area of Studio G was used for Jimi..." and we would try to answer him.

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 15 03:05:47 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 08:05:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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 Agreed about Joan Marsden ('Mother'), Dave Hanks and Mike Figini. Going diagonally up/right from Mike's shoulder, the third face looks like Mike Langley Evans. A few faces further right, and up a bit, the background character (head turned sideways and up) could be Dave Austwick. I find myself worrying that the chap foreground, far left, holding a script looks like Nigel Saunders, but wouldn't he have been a lot younger then?
luv, Rog.
    On Monday, 15 June 2020, 00:40:11 BST, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 ?First off, if the crane you?re referring to is the one in the picture as I assume, it?s not a Mole but a Transatlantic. I worked on The Songs of the American Civil War in TC-1 where it was used and it came with its own driver.I recognise a few of the people pictured, notably FM ?Mother? Joan Marsden in the front row with arms across her script board and what may be cameraman Mike Figini two places to the right of her wearing a characteristic white shirt with the sleeves rolled up. The man behind Joan?s camera left shoulder I?m pretty sure is Vision Mixer Dave Hanks as Dave says as he has that look about him. At the back right, the man highest up leaning over the arm of the crane could be Terry Loader and in the middle of the the group on the right, the man in the glasses with head tilted up looks like lighting man John Farr but he can confirm or deny that I?m sure. The bald guy in front of him looks like a back projection operator whose name I?ve forgotten (was it Ted?).Other people will no doubt give their opinion on all of this but it would be a good day if everyone in the picture was identified positively as the faces are a bit blurred anyway. The task would be made easier if someone could overlay a numbering plan on it so we knew which of the people we were talking about,
Regards,
Geoff Hawkes

On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:02, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



?Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was shown to 'The World',? I thought I'd ask something about the photo of the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on Tech Ops.First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles?EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does......?
Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at Abbey Road.He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave Gautier on the camera.
As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus your comments on the guys seen<1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg>
Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what they?were doing on?the show !!And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be appreciated.
?Our World? ? more about thisprogramme

Posted on?May 29, 2016?by?Alec Bray



Thanks so muchDave Taylor

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jun 15 03:14:38 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 09:14:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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Agree with Roger about Mike Langley Evans. As ever with these challenges it always seems gradually to come together.

Dave Newbitt.

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 9:05 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again

Agreed about Joan Marsden ('Mother'), Dave Hanks and Mike Figini. Going diagonally up/right from Mike's shoulder, the third face looks like Mike Langley Evans. A few faces further right, and up a bit, the background character (head turned sideways and up) could be Dave Austwick. I find myself worrying that the chap foreground, far left, holding a script looks like Nigel Saunders, but wouldn't he have been a lot younger then?

luv, Rog.

On Monday, 15 June 2020, 00:40:11 BST, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 


?First off, if the crane you?re referring to is the one in the picture as I assume, it?s not a Mole but a Transatlantic. I worked on The Songs of the American Civil War in TC-1 where it was used and it came with its own driver.
I recognise a few of the people pictured, notably FM ?Mother? Joan Marsden in the front row with arms across her script board and what may be cameraman Mike Figini two places to the right of her wearing a characteristic white shirt with the sleeves rolled up. The man behind Joan?s camera left shoulder I?m pretty sure is Vision Mixer Dave Hanks as Dave says as he has that look about him. At the back right, the man highest up leaning over the arm of the crane could be Terry Loader and in the middle of the the group on the right, the man in the glasses with head tilted up looks like lighting man John Farr but he can confirm or deny that I?m sure. The bald guy in front of him looks like a back projection operator whose name I?ve forgotten (was it Ted?). 
Other people will no doubt give their opinion on all of this but it would be a good day if everyone in the picture was identified positively as the faces are a bit blurred anyway. The task would be made easier if someone could overlay a numbering plan on it so we knew which of the people we were talking about,
Regards,

Geoff Hawkes


  On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:02, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was shown to 'The World',  I thought I'd ask something about the photo of the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on Tech Ops. 
  First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does...... 
  Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at Abbey Road.
  He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave Gautier on the camera.

  As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus your comments on the guys seen
  <1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg>

  Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what they were doing on the show !!
  And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be appreciated.
  ?Our World? ? more about this programme
  Posted on May 29, 2016 by Alec Bray


  Thanks so much
  Dave Taylor


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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Mon Jun 15 05:35:50 2020
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 11:35:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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I agree about most of those names. I'm in there somewhere as I remember 
working on the programme but can't recognise my junior self. I remember 
lots of hanging about with not much happening as with these big 
international shows. Far right, second row up 2 in from the right looks 
like Mitch Mitchell in dark jacket, dark shirt and dark hair.

Dave

On 15/06/2020 09:05, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Agreed about Joan Marsden ('Mother'), Dave Hanks and Mike Figini. 
> Going diagonally up/right from Mike's shoulder, the third face looks 
> like Mike Langley Evans. A few faces further right, and up a bit, the 
> background character (head turned sideways and up) could be Dave 
> Austwick. I find myself worrying that the chap foreground, far left, 
> holding a script looks like Nigel Saunders, but wouldn't he have been 
> a lot younger then?
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> On Monday, 15 June 2020, 00:40:11 BST, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> ?First off, if the crane you?re referring to is the one in the picture 
> as I assume, it?s not a Mole but a Transatlantic. I worked on The 
> Songs of the American Civil War in TC-1 where it was used and it came 
> with its own driver.
> I recognise a few of the people pictured, notably FM ?Mother? Joan 
> Marsden in the front row with arms across her script board and what 
> may be cameraman Mike Figini two places to the right of her wearing a 
> characteristic white shirt with the sleeves rolled up. The man behind 
> Joan?s camera left shoulder I?m pretty sure is Vision Mixer Dave Hanks 
> as Dave says as he has that look about him. At the back right, the man 
> highest up leaning over the arm of the crane could be Terry Loader and 
> in the middle of the the group on the right, the man in the glasses 
> with head tilted up looks like lighting man John Farr but he can 
> confirm or deny that I?m sure. The bald guy in front of him looks like 
> a back projection operator whose name I?ve forgotten (was it Ted?).
> Other people will no doubt give their opinion on all of this but it 
> would be a good day if everyone in the picture was identified 
> positively as the faces are a bit blurred anyway. The task would be 
> made easier if someone could overlay a numbering plan on it so we knew 
> which of the people we were talking about,
> Regards,
> Geoff Hawkes
>
>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:02, David Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since 
>> I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most 
>> notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was 
>> shown to 'The World',? I thought I'd ask something about the photo of 
>> the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on 
>> Tech Ops.
>> First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the 
>> people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the 
>> Beatles?EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who 
>> does......
>> Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch 
>> with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at 
>> Abbey Road.
>> He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it 
>> was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh 
>> Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave 
>> Gautier on the camera.
>>
>> As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. 
>> Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and 
>> continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus 
>> your comments on the guys seen
>> <1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg>
>>
>> Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey 
>> Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what 
>> they?were doing on?the show !!
>> And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be 
>> appreciated.
>>
>>
>>   ?Our World? ? more about this programme
>>
>>
>>   Posted onMay 29, 2016
>>   <http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/our-world-more-about-this-programme/>by
>>   Alec Bray <http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/author/alec/>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks so much
>> Dave Taylor
>>
>>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 05:52:58 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 11:52:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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Ok, here's a numbered version .

 ?Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think -

8 Jim Stevens
18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
31 Doug Watson
40 Mitch
50 Darrol Blake
53 Norman Taylor
54 Bob Wright

Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?

Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist

B


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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Jun 15 06:07:48 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:07:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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I don?t know if it is still there but there was a large exhibition back in 2015 in the Science Museum all about Tomorrows World.

Just a few of my pics of the display.

Mike
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Mon Jun 15 06:14:14 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:14:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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Dave

You need to choose your components from this storage as on display in the Science Museum!

And I wonder what the label on the little rod bottom left of the REAL tape machine refers to? Anything to do with Mr Saville?

Mike

From: dave.mdv via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:12 AM
To: Keith Wicks ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Today

Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow! Cheers, Dave


On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jun 15 06:33:23 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 11:33:23 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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I don?t think I?ve ever seen so many ties all in the same place at the same time! How times have changed.
Identifying people isn?t helped by the fact that to my eye the picture is horizontally challenged (squeezed) .
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Ok, here's a numbered version .

 Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think -

8 Jim Stevens
18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
31 Doug Watson
40 Mitch
50 Darrol Blake
53 Norman Taylor
54 Bob Wright

Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?

Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist

B

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 15 06:43:25 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:43:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
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What's the rectangular tower labelled 3 on the tape recorder?

I've still got my Ferrograph Series VI, together with the hard cover manual and original Ferrograph reels, not the generic reels shown in that picture!  It was the first luxury I saved up for and bought when I started working for the Beeb.  I then set about saving up for a Reslo ribbon mic, which I also still have.

Alan Taylor




On 15 Jun 2020, at 15 Jun . 12:14, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Dave
>  
> You need to choose your components from this storage as on display in the Science Museum!
>  
> And I wonder what the label on the little rod bottom left of the REAL tape machine refers to? Anything to do with Mr Saville?
>  
> Mike
>  
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:12 AM
> To: Keith Wicks ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Today
>  
> Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow! Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:
>>  
> <Science Museum 270915_6_s.jpg><Science Museum 310115-15_s.jpg>-- 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 06:54:13 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 12:54:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
Message-ID: <DA7F3CCD-0D5E-4315-A6CA-54861B9C4CC2@gmail.com>

?
?it?s Yes to MLE  and No to Nigel Saunders as I should say it took place at least ten years before his time. This was still in the monochrome age of jacket and tie before Jem Whippey arrived and changed it all. The late Len Shorey told me with great humour about how Jem had presented himself at his recruitment board, not quite in beach gear but you get the picture. They welcomed him in anyway and must?ve seen the talent behind the image. Good old Jem, where are you now, we badly need you joining in on all this so we don?t take ourselves too seriously.
Dave Beer, I looked for you and wondered if it was you to the right of and behind Mike Figini as the figure appears to have a small beard, but the face shape looks wrong. The chap front row right holding a reel of camera tape looks like Roger Francis and to the left of the man with the glasses and upturned face who I said looks like John Farr, there?s a man with sideburns who is looking up left at the camera that could be Frank Wilkins. I was on his crew at the time and worked on the show but don?t remember much about it apart from the hanging globe.
I can?t remember what inspired the show other than it being about satellite links.  Was it when the famous Telstar was put in orbit? I remember the tune that got into the charts, but again, not who the artists were that performed it. I may still have it on an old 45 stuck away somewhere along with a batch of others from the sixties.
This one could run and run anyway and might eclipse the discussion about the origin of the term ?Scanner?. I only saw the article in Prospero that set it all off a day or two ago and I hope by now someone has presented the enquirer with a summary of our findings. He?s unlikely to do better by looking elsewhere, isn?t he?
Geoff Hawkes

>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 09:07, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> Agreed about Joan Marsden ('Mother'), Dave Hanks and Mike Figini. Going diagonally up/right from Mike's shoulder, the third face looks like Mike Langley Evans. A few faces further right, and up a bit, the background character (head turned sideways and up) could be Dave Austwick. I find myself worrying that the chap foreground, far left, holding a script looks like Nigel Saunders, but wouldn't he have been a lot younger then?
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Monday, 15 June 2020, 00:40:11 BST, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> ?First off, if the crane you?re referring to is the one in the picture as I assume, it?s not a Mole but a Transatlantic. I worked on The Songs of the American Civil War in TC-1 where it was used and it came with its own driver.
> I recognise a few of the people pictured, notably FM ?Mother? Joan Marsden in the front row with arms across her script board and what may be cameraman Mike Figini two places to the right of her wearing a characteristic white shirt with the sleeves rolled up. The man behind Joan?s camera left shoulder I?m pretty sure is Vision Mixer Dave Hanks as Dave says as he has that look about him. At the back right, the man highest up leaning over the arm of the crane could be Terry Loader and in the middle of the the group on the right, the man in the glasses with head tilted up looks like lighting man John Farr but he can confirm or deny that I?m sure. The bald guy in front of him looks like a back projection operator whose name I?ve forgotten (was it Ted?).
> Other people will no doubt give their opinion on all of this but it would be a good day if everyone in the picture was identified positively as the faces are a bit blurred anyway. The task would be made easier if someone could overlay a numbering plan on it so we knew which of the people we were talking about,
> Regards,
> Geoff Hawkes
> 
>>> On 14 Jun 2020, at 21:02, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>> Hey guys, seeing you are talking about the Beatles again and since I'm trying to produce an article about the 'TV side' of the most notable 'Beatles BBC TV ' segment, when 'All You Need Is Love' was shown to 'The World',  I thought I'd ask something about the photo of the 'Our World' crew in TC1 that was shown in a 2016 post here on Tech Ops.
>> First off, I'm an ex-LWT Sound Supervisor, so I don't know any of the people who would have been at either the TC1 /TC2 end or the Beatles EMI Abbey Road studio 1 OB. However...I know a man who does...... 
>> Thanks to both Brian Summers and Nick Gilbey, I've been put in touch with Sandy Tristem, who was a cameraman on the crew of the OB at Abbey Road.
>> He's worked out the other members of his crew etc...and we know it was MCR28, with Derek Burrell-Davis directing. It looks like Hugh Cartwright was the EM lighting it and they had a Mole crane with Dave Gautier on the camera.
>> 
>> As I'm sorting out the OB end I can move on to the TC1/TC2 studio. Thanks to the posts on Tech Ops that started in Nov 2014 and continued with Alex Bray's of 2016...I have the photo below...plus your comments on the guys seen
>> <1967-Our_World_TC1 crew-via TechOps.co.uk.jpg>
>> 
>> Can you pin down the names previously given...apart from Aubrey Singer on the crane..as I'm at sea...not knowing the faces, or what they were doing on the show !!
>> And of course anymore info on the TVC side of this programme would be appreciated.
>> ?Our World? ? more about this programme
>> Posted on May 29, 2016 by Alec Bray
>> 
>> Thanks so much
>> Dave Taylor
>> 
>> 
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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Mon Jun 15 07:00:03 2020
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:00:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351172716D445285235E7F9A79C0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I'm possibly No 42. It looks like my ear!

Dave

On 15/06/2020 12:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I don?t think I?ve ever seen so many ties all in the same place at the 
> same time! How times have changed.
> Identifying people isn?t helped by the fact that to my eye the picture 
> is horizontally challenged (squeezed) .
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? Ok, here's a numbered version .
>>
>> ?Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think -
>>
>> 8 Jim Stevens
>> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
>> 31 Doug Watson
>> 40 Mitch
>> 50 Darrol Blake
>> 53 Norman Taylor
>> 54 Bob Wright
>>
>> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
>>
>> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
>>
>> B
>>
>>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 07:08:54 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:08:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Today
In-Reply-To: <F9544669A99F4AA79526E38F10180597@Gigabyte>
References: <df7a01ce-60e4-ab10-bfb8-2727c367bc10@btinternet.com>
	<9ACB4BB4669740CAB918E421D606C40E@DavidPC>
	<564bd7f1-ebd3-674f-257a-f1d9827874fc@btinternet.com>
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The label you refer to is on one of a pair of items that violinists need to
be familiar with. Here's a picture of the other item:

[image: Bow.jpg]

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020 at 12:14, Mike Jordan <mikej at bmanor.co.uk> wrote:

> Dave
>
> You need to choose your components from this storage as on display in the
> Science Museum!
>
> And I wonder what the label on the little rod bottom left of the REAL tape
> machine refers to? Anything to do with Mr Saville?
>
> Mike
>
> *From:* dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2020 9:12 AM
> *To:* Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Today
>
>
> Quite correct as usual! The third band could have been orange or yellow!
> Cheers, Dave
> On 13/06/2020 02:25, Keith Wicks wrote:
>
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Jun 15 07:42:14 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:42:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
In-Reply-To: <70fac3e4-2708-39fb-8e6e-05bab1055702@talktalk.net>
References: <70fac3e4-2708-39fb-8e6e-05bab1055702@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <C43E1320-C2BF-4DFD-82C3-98AE3EA6AA0F@icloud.com>

The answer to life, the universe and everything?

Graeme Wall

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 13:00, David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm possibly No 42. It looks like my ear!
> 
> Dave
> 
> On 15/06/2020 12:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> I don?t think I?ve ever seen so many ties all in the same place at the same time! How times have changed.
>> Identifying people isn?t helped by the fact that to my eye the picture is horizontally challenged (squeezed) .
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Ok, here's a numbered version .
>>> 
>>>  Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 
>>> 
>>> 8 Jim Stevens
>>> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
>>> 31 Doug Watson
>>> 40 Mitch
>>> 50 Darrol Blake
>>> 53 Norman Taylor 
>>> 54 Bob Wright
>>> 
>>> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
>>> 
>>> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> <our_world with numbers.jpg>
>>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jun 15 08:26:48 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:26:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
In-Reply-To: <7af68b76-3932-aede-2cab-665e42e68f34@gmail.com>
References: <5B5D1F5C-A075-4F50-A089-436A0A0D2083@gmail.com>
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Here?s a stab at a couple more :-

38 Graham Beebee
39 Greg Ade

Sometimes a name just flits across the memory and one hopes it?s based on something! One thing I remember when Beebee?s first born arrived was his response to enquiries about how he was doing for sleep. Being a good musical man he replied ?we have bambino con sordino?!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again

Ok, here's a numbered version .

Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 

8 Jim Stevens
18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
31 Doug Watson
40 Mitch
50 Darrol Blake
53 Norman Taylor 
54 Bob Wright

Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?

Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist

B





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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jun 15 08:31:16 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 13:31:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Our World...yet again
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351FBD686F8BFF2A6DF5699A79C0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<C43E1320-C2BF-4DFD-82C3-98AE3EA6AA0F@icloud.com>,
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Oops, sent to Graeme, not to the list.
From: Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
Date: 15 June 2020 at 14:27:20 BST
To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
Subject: Re:  [Tech1] Our World...yet again

? Leonard Cohen might be able to help you with that!
youtube.com/watch?v=nceRfJJZcP4
Leonard Cohen - Tower Of Song (Live in London)
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 15 Jun 2020, at 13:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? The answer to life, the universe and everything?

Graeme Wall

On 15 Jun 2020, at 13:00, David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

I'm possibly No 42. It looks like my ear!

Dave

On 15/06/2020 12:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
I don?t think I?ve ever seen so many ties all in the same place at the same time! How times have changed.
Identifying people isn?t helped by the fact that to my eye the picture is horizontally challenged (squeezed) .
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Ok, here's a numbered version .

 Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think -

8 Jim Stevens
18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
31 Doug Watson
40 Mitch
50 Darrol Blake
53 Norman Taylor
54 Bob Wright

Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?

Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist

B

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Mon Jun 15 08:41:00 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:41:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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And a further thought :-

17 Mike Conder?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:52 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again

Ok, here's a numbered version .

Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 

8 Jim Stevens
18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
31 Doug Watson
40 Mitch
50 Darrol Blake
53 Norman Taylor 
54 Bob Wright

Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?

Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 15 08:49:27 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 14:49:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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References: <5B5D1F5C-A075-4F50-A089-436A0A0D2083@gmail.com>
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I agree that 39 = Greg Ade.

I didn't know that he ever worked at TVC.


Alan Taylor



On 15 Jun 2020, at 15 Jun . 14:26, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Here?s a stab at a couple more :-
>  
> 38 Graham Beebee
> 39 Greg Ade
>  
> Sometimes a name just flits across the memory and one hopes it?s based on something! One thing I remember when Beebee?s first born arrived was his response to enquiries about how he was doing for sleep. Being a good musical man he replied ?we have bambino con sordino?!
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 11:52 AM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
>  
> Ok, here's a numbered version .
> 
> Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 
> 
> 8 Jim Stevens
> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
> 31 Doug Watson
> 40 Mitch
> 50 Darrol Blake
> 53 Norman Taylor 
> 54 Bob Wright
> 
> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
> 
> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
> 
> B
> 
> <our_world with numbers.jpg>
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 15 10:30:46 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:30:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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I think #2 might be John Lopes.
He moved into production, so looks likely.
He came to my 21st, some *** years ago, and made quite a hit with a female cousin of mine!
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 15 June 2020 11:53
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again

Ok, here's a numbered version .

?Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 

8 Jim Stevens
18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
31 Doug Watson
40 Mitch
50 Darrol Blake
53 Norman Taylor 
54 Bob Wright

Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?

Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist

B





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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 10:36:28 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 16:36:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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I thought that you were 35

B



On 15/06/2020 13:00, David Beer via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I'm possibly No 42. It looks like my ear!
>
> Dave
>
> On 15/06/2020 12:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> I don?t think I?ve ever seen so many ties all in the same place at 
>> the same time! How times have changed.
>> Identifying people isn?t helped by the fact that to my eye the 
>> picture is horizontally challenged (squeezed) .
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? Ok, here's a numbered version .
>>>
>>> ?Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think -
>>>
>>> 8 Jim Stevens
>>> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
>>> 31 Doug Watson
>>> 40 Mitch
>>> 50 Darrol Blake
>>> 53 Norman Taylor
>>> 54 Bob Wright
>>>
>>> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
>>>
>>> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 15 12:16:52 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:16:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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 Could number 36 be Ian Gibb?
luv, Rog.

    On Monday, 15 June 2020, 16:31:30 BST, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
I think #2 might be John Lopes.

He moved into production, so looks likely.

He came to my 21st, some *** years ago, and made quite a hit with a female cousin of mine!

Pat

 ?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 ?

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 15 June 2020 11:53
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again

 ?

Ok, here's a numbered version .

?Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 

8 Jim Stevens
18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
31 Doug Watson
40 Mitch
50 Darrol Blake
53 Norman Taylor 
54 Bob Wright

Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?

Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist

B



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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 12:41:31 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 18:41:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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?Well done Bernie for adding the numbering as it makes the discussion so much easier. John Farr could be the one in the back row at no. 48 rather than at 38 as that row seems to be a line-up of lighting people along with gaffer Bob Wright. No.52 is another lighting man or TM (or TOM, when did it change?), Frank Cresswell comes to mind, but I don?t think it?s him. This exercise is going to lead to much frustration for those of us with fading memories. Weren?t we supposed to be good at recalling ancient memories even when we?d forgotten our way home? As one person remarked previously, after a while our memories become read-only, to which I replied that they then become write only :-) 
Someone mentioned about the camera and whether TC-2?s cameras were used. I think it must have come from 2 as TC1 had EMI?s and that is a Marconi. When I joined in September ?63 there were only four studios in operation and apart from Pres A which had EMI vidicons, 2&3 used Marconi?s and 4&5 used EMI?s as the BBC couldn?t be seen to favour one manufacturer over the other. TC1 opened in 1964 with EMI?s and TC7 at about the same time, though I can?t remember which cameras 7 had, Marconi ?s to even it out, I would guess. I think 6 and 8 weren?t opened till colour came along. TVT by the time I worked there had Pye?s with electronic lens changes, as did R1&2, I think. Dudley Darby will give the details and correct me if I?m wrong.
Geoff

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Ok, here's a numbered version .
> 
> Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 
> 
> 8 Jim Stevens
> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
> 31 Doug Watson
> 40 Mitch
> 50 Darrol Blake
> 53 Norman Taylor 
> 54 Bob Wright
> 
> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
> 
> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 12:43:18 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 18:43:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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Yes, I think it is Ian Gibb. What a distinguished gathering it was,
Geoff

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 18:17, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Could number 36 be Ian Gibb?
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> 
> On Monday, 15 June 2020, 16:31:30 BST, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> I think #2 might be John Lopes.
> 
> He moved into production, so looks likely.
> 
> He came to my 21st, some *** years ago, and made quite a hit with a female cousin of mine!
> 
> Pat
> 
>  
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> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
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>  
> 
> Ok, here's a numbered version .
> 
>  Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 
> 
> 8 Jim Stevens
> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
> 31 Doug Watson
> 40 Mitch
> 50 Darrol Blake
> 53 Norman Taylor 
> 54 Bob Wright
> 
> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
> 
> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 12:59:49 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 18:59:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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Following the talk about the origin of the term "scanner", I wondered why
the equipment boxes on the OB trucks were called "ditty-boxes", quaint when
"ditty" is the name for a short simple song.

Perhaps our OB colleagues and others would like to think on that and how far
it goes back, though I doubt if it will need as much discussion as
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jun 15 13:02:15 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:02:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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I was told it was a Navy term for a box of bits.

Alan Taylor

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:00, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Following the talk about the origin of the term ?scanner?, I wondered why the equipment boxes on the OB trucks were called ?ditty-boxes?, quaint when ?ditty? is the name for a short simple song.
> Perhaps our OB colleagues and others would like to think on that and how far it goes back, though I doubt if it will need as much discussion as previously,
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Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:41:42 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
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Sorry, no; I looked at both these on Youtube, but neither one is the one I remember. As I recall, we only recorded one number that afternoon, and it definitely looked a lot better lit than either of these two examples.

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??????? Original Message ???????
On Sunday, 14 June 2020 21:45, David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:

> That sounds like one of two choices:
>
> The Christmas Day Top of the Pops where they did ?Honky Tonk Women?.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KyFrDY1hz8
>
> The ?Pop Goes the Sixties? special. New Year?s Eve 1969.
> The Stones performed ?Gimme Shelter?.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBva-z1AsGk
>
> They were most likely both done in the same session a few days earlier.
>
> From: [techtone via Tech1](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
> Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:14 PM
> To: [Garth Tucker](mailto:tuckergarth at me.com)
> Cc: [tech1 >](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Bob Wright and the Rolling Stones.
>
> Yes, I did a Rolling Stones shoot for TOTP the afternoon before the live TX in one of the TVC studios. I've just trawled Youtube to find it, as I came across it at least six or seven years ago, and thought - I did that! - but I can't find it at all. I have no recollection of which crew I was on, what song they were singing, or who lit it, were they singing live or miming, but it was in colour, so 2001s. I'm fairly sure it wasn't Brown Sugar, but other than that I can't be sure. Very annoying, although I do remember they were on a raised rostra and I was shooting from camera left fairly low down and at one point had an MCU of Jagger with a defocussed coloured 2k in the background possibly even with a star filter (in fact, almost probably with a star filter!).
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> TeaTeaFN - Tony
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>> Is there anyone out there that can help me? I have vague memories of being with a camera crew in one of the bigger TVC studios recording a number by the Rolling Stones which was being lit by Bob Wright. My son is asking me questions about it which I cannot answer. I think it must have been pre-1969 because I believe Brian Jones was present and was enthusiastically agreeing with Mick Jagger that the Lighting was the best they?d come across, they were being lit independently from both sides and Bob and his team were cutting between the two conditions in time to the music. Garth
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Jun 15 14:43:34 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 19:43:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Our World...yet again
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No, TC2 cameras stayed in TC2 mostly for captions/graphics.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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On Monday, 15 June 2020 14:31, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Oops, sent to Graeme, not to the list.
> From: Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
>
>> Date: 15 June 2020 at 14:27:20 BST
>> To: Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
>
>> ? Leonard Cohen might be able to help you with that!
>> youtube.com/watch?v=nceRfJJZcP4
>> Leonard Cohen - Tower Of Song (Live in London)
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 13:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> ? The answer to life, the universe and everything?
>>>
>>> Graeme Wall
>>>
>>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 13:00, David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> I'm possibly No 42. It looks like my ear!
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 15/06/2020 12:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I don?t think I?ve ever seen so many ties all in the same place at the same time! How times have changed.
>>>>> Identifying people isn?t helped by the fact that to my eye the picture is horizontally challenged (squeezed) .
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Nick.
>>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 [<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ? Ok, here's a numbered version .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think -
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 8 Jim Stevens
>>>>>> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
>>>>>> 31 Doug Watson
>>>>>> 40 Mitch
>>>>>> 50 Darrol Blake
>>>>>> 53 Norman Taylor
>>>>>> 54 Bob Wright
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <our_world with numbers.jpg>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 15 16:19:27 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 22:19:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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TC7 Cameras? Herewith Steve Blatchford working one not long after the studio opened.
Barry.



On 15 Jun 2020, at 18:41, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Well done Bernie for adding the numbering as it makes the discussion so much easier. John Farr could be the one in the back row at no. 48 rather than at 38 as that row seems to be a line-up of lighting people along with gaffer Bob Wright. No.52 is another lighting man or TM (or TOM, when did it change?), Frank Cresswell comes to mind, but I don?t think it?s him. This exercise is going to lead to much frustration for those of us with fading memories. Weren?t we supposed to be good at recalling ancient memories even when we?d forgotten our way home? As one person remarked previously, after a while our memories become read-only, to which I replied that they then become write only :-) 
> Someone mentioned about the camera and whether TC-2?s cameras were used. I think it must have come from 2 as TC1 had EMI?s and that is a Marconi. When I joined in September ?63 there were only four studios in operation and apart from Pres A which had EMI vidicons, 2&3 used Marconi?s and 4&5 used EMI?s as the BBC couldn?t be seen to favour one manufacturer over the other. TC1 opened in 1964 with EMI?s and TC7 at about the same time, though I can?t remember which cameras 7 had, Marconi ?s to even it out, I would guess. I think 6 and 8 weren?t opened till colour came along. TVT by the time I worked there had Pye?s with electronic lens changes, as did R1&2, I think. Dudley Darby will give the details and correct me if I?m wrong.
> Geoff
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Ok, here's a numbered version .
>> 
>> Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 
>> 
>> 8 Jim Stevens
>> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
>> 31 Doug Watson
>> 40 Mitch
>> 50 Darrol Blake
>> 53 Norman Taylor 
>> 54 Bob Wright
>> 
>> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
>> 
>> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> <our_world with numbers.jpg>
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 17:03:44 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 23:03:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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I was working on this show but for some reason I am not in the photo and I
beg to differ Tony.  The way I remember it is that TC2's cameras were in
TC1. If you look at the photo the camera is a Marconi Mk IV so not one of
TC1's complement.
I also have a memory of Geoff Nichols working on this but can't spot him.

I do remember Joan  Marsden when asked to say something to test circuits
coming out with "This is mother calling the World".
Bill

On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 20:44 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> No, TC2 cameras stayed in TC2 mostly for captions/graphics.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 15 17:25:31 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 23:25:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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Joan was quite fierce but ran the studio with impeccable discipline.
A story from Panorama ? true, as I was there...
Richard D was the ultimate professional, but he had a lovely sense of humour.
Fellow technicians will remember Joan Marsden (Floor Manager) known as "Mother" to cast and crew alike, who ran the studio with a rod of iron.
One night, to illustrate the number of summonses sent out by one London borough, there was a huge pile of brown envelopes in front of R's desk. On rehearsal, he leant forward, picked upon the top one, wrote on it, replaced it, and beckoned the camera to focus on it.
It read: "To Mother - for Soliciting"

Pat
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I do remember Joan? Marsden when asked to say something to test circuits coming out with "This is mother calling the World".
Bill



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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 17:48:03 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2020 23:48:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
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Thanks Barry for clearing that up. I remember operating a camera on the Thirty Minute Theatre series that was done live in TC7 and was pretty sure they had Marconies. The lens change was smoother and less clunky than that of the EMIs which is what I liked.
Years later when News had moved into that studio and I worked for them, I told people about that and how on one edition the studio was laid out like a hospital ward with beds either side along the length of it and I remembered doing a long track back holding a shot of an old confused lady who got out of her bed and walked to another bed to offer the sleeping patient a cup of tea. The news people found it hard it hard to imagine, as did I by then with the very different atmosphere that hung about the place. Even more when recalling the Saturday morning kids shows that came from there, complete with toast and marmalade being there in the Production store to help yourself from.
Happy days,
Geoff

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 22:19, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?TC7 Cameras? Herewith Steve Blatchford working one not long after the studio opened.
> Barry.
> <TC7 Cameras.jpg>
> 
> 
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 18:41, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Well done Bernie for adding the numbering as it makes the discussion so much easier. John Farr could be the one in the back row at no. 48 rather than at 38 as that row seems to be a line-up of lighting people along with gaffer Bob Wright. No.52 is another lighting man or TM (or TOM, when did it change?), Frank Cresswell comes to mind, but I don?t think it?s him. This exercise is going to lead to much frustration for those of us with fading memories. Weren?t we supposed to be good at recalling ancient memories even when we?d forgotten our way home? As one person remarked previously, after a while our memories become read-only, to which I replied that they then become write only :-) 
>> Someone mentioned about the camera and whether TC-2?s cameras were used. I think it must have come from 2 as TC1 had EMI?s and that is a Marconi. When I joined in September ?63 there were only four studios in operation and apart from Pres A which had EMI vidicons, 2&3 used Marconi?s and 4&5 used EMI?s as the BBC couldn?t be seen to favour one manufacturer over the other. TC1 opened in 1964 with EMI?s and TC7 at about the same time, though I can?t remember which cameras 7 had, Marconi ?s to even it out, I would guess. I think 6 and 8 weren?t opened till colour came along. TVT by the time I worked there had Pye?s with electronic lens changes, as did R1&2, I think. Dudley Darby will give the details and correct me if I?m wrong.
>> Geoff
>> 
>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Ok, here's a numbered version .
>>> 
>>> Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 
>>> 
>>> 8 Jim Stevens
>>> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
>>> 31 Doug Watson
>>> 40 Mitch
>>> 50 Darrol Blake
>>> 53 Norman Taylor 
>>> 54 Bob Wright
>>> 
>>> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
>>> 
>>> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> <our_world with numbers.jpg>
>>> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 18:25:37 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 00:25:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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Yes, she always had a firm grip on the studio and was given to stamping her foot if any of her commands were ignored. You couldn?t fault her for professionalism and getting the studio organised with everything and everyone in place, which was why she was the FM of choice for the kind of shows she did. Didn?t she receive some sort of official recognition for her services to political programmes, an MBE or something like that? Well deserved, whatever.
A story that?s always stuck in my mind was of an incident when I was doing a VO attachment. We were about to record a show one afternoon when there was trouble with the Ampex clock refusing to run, not an unusual occurrence. Everyone was getting more and more impatient with this including Dickie Higham and Jack Meyer who were sitting to my left. They were of the opinion that the problem was that the clock simply needed winding and that Joan didn?t know how to do it. After muttering to themselves, and being confident in her errors, Jack pressed the talkback key and said in a slow, deliberate voice, ?Hit the top, Joan?, with Dickie agreeing that was all she need to do and why wasn?t she doing it. What they hadn?t realised but I could see was that it was one of the newer clocks that was wound with a key on the back, not the top and that she and others had already done it. A classic case of people thinking they know better than the expert.  With me being a junior operator I didn?t dare point out to these esteemed gentlemen that it was they who had it wrong, as I deemed they wouldn?t have taken kindly to being corrected by someone like me, so I kept my counsel but have sometimes wished I?d had the courage to speak what I knew to be right.
Has anyone else been in such a position?

Geoff

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:26, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Joan was quite fierce but ran the studio with impeccable discipline.
> A story from Panorama ? true, as I was there...
> Richard D was the ultimate professional, but he had a lovely sense of humour.
> Fellow technicians will remember Joan Marsden (Floor Manager) known as "Mother" to cast and crew alike, who ran the studio with a rod of iron.
> One night, to illustrate the number of summonses sent out by one London borough, there was a huge pile of brown envelopes in front of R's desk. On rehearsal, he leant forward, picked upon the top one, wrote on it, replaced it, and beckoned the camera to focus on it.
> It read: "To Mother - for Soliciting"
>  
> Pat
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> I do remember Joan  Marsden when asked to say something to test circuits coming out with "This is mother calling the World".
> Bill
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 16 00:31:17 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 06:31:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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Television really took off in the 50s and 60s.  I would assume that most people coming into the business would have done some form of National Service and that slang or terminology from different services would have crept into the television industry that way.  Other words entered broadcasting terminology via Post Office engineering. I was told that referring to a small screwdriver as a tweaker is a Post Office term.

I?ve always been fascinated by etymology and one of the more plausible explanations offered to me was that the word was a shortened version of ?oddity?.  It certainly fitted in with the way that a ditty box was used by sailors either for miscellaneous personal effects, or for tools and accessories. 

Similarly, the vehicle accompanying the scanner and carrying the cables and other equipment is referred to as a tender. That?s a word used by sailors for a boat which supports another boat, or railway engineers use the word to describe a small wagon supporting the locomotive.  I?d be interested to know when OBs first used tenders because descriptions of early OBs referred to just three vehicles being used, the scanning vehicle, the transmitting van and a mobile generator van. Presumably the cameras and cable drums travelled within those vehicles, hopefully well separated. 

Alan Taylor

> On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:29, Geoffrey Hawkes <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com> wrote:
> ?From what I found in the Concise OED, I think you?re right. I wondered who decided to adopt the name for BBC OB use and how it became generally accepted. Just one of those things, I suppose,
> Geoff
> 
>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> I was told it was a Navy term for a box of bits.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:00, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Following the talk about the origin of the term ?scanner?, I wondered why the equipment boxes on the OB trucks were called ?ditty-boxes?, quaint when ?ditty? is the name for a short simple song.
>>> Perhaps our OB colleagues and others would like to think on that and how far it goes back, though I doubt if it will need as much discussion as previously,
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 02:45:11 2020
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 08:45:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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I agree with Bill. I recall working with him on it and using a couple of TC2 cameras. We were a little bit concerned about being on a different phase from TC1 cameras and that we might vanish in a puff of self cancelling positrons and electrons if we touched (joking!) We were however kept apart by being on an overlooking rostrum.

Peter Fox

On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:04, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I was working on this show but for some reason I am not in the photo and I beg to differ Tony.  The way I remember it is that TC2's cameras were in TC1. If you look at the photo the camera is a Marconi Mk IV so not one of TC1's complement.
I also have a memory of Geoff Nichols working on this but can't spot him.

I do remember Joan  Marsden when asked to say something to test circuits coming out with "This is mother calling the World".
Bill

> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 20:44 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> No, TC2 cameras stayed in TC2 mostly for captions/graphics.
> 
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From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 03:09:33 2020
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 09:09:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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Morning All

Whilst we are on the subject of Television (and Film too) terms how did a
"camera crane" or as Wikipedia puts it "wheeled cart" become known as a
"dolly". I know this is maybe more common in the film industry and possibly
in America too but seems to me we use the term "track in" and "dolly in"
interchangeably?

Any thoughts?

Cheers

Brian

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 06:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Television really took off in the 50s and 60s.  I would assume that most
> people coming into the business would have done some form of National
> Service and that slang or terminology from different services would have
> crept into the television industry that way.  Other words entered
> broadcasting terminology via Post Office engineering. I was told that
> referring to a small screwdriver as a tweaker is a Post Office term.
>
> I?ve always been fascinated by etymology and one of the more plausible
> explanations offered to me was that the word was a shortened version of
> ?oddity?.  It certainly fitted in with the way that a ditty box was used by
> sailors either for miscellaneous personal effects, or for tools and
> accessories.
>
> Similarly, the vehicle accompanying the scanner and carrying the cables
> and other equipment is referred to as a tender. That?s a word used by
> sailors for a boat which supports another boat, or railway engineers use
> the word to describe a small wagon supporting the locomotive.  I?d be
> interested to know when OBs first used tenders because descriptions of
> early OBs referred to just three vehicles being used, the scanning vehicle,
> the transmitting van and a mobile generator van. Presumably the cameras and
> cable drums travelled within those vehicles, hopefully well separated.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
> On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:29, Geoffrey Hawkes <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?From what I found in the Concise OED, I think you?re right. I wondered
> who decided to adopt the name for BBC OB use and how it became generally
> accepted. Just one of those things, I suppose,
> Geoff
>
> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> I was told it was a Navy term for a box of bits.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:00, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Following the talk about the origin of the term ?scanner?, I wondered why
> the equipment boxes on the OB trucks were called ?ditty-boxes?, quaint when
> ?ditty? is the name for a short simple song.
>
> Perhaps our OB colleagues and others would like to think on that and how
> far it goes back, though I doubt if it will need as much discussion as
> previously,
>
> *Geoff*
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Tue Jun 16 03:28:27 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 09:28:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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I think a dolly is pretty much anything on wheels for moving hefty objects ? might be a grand piano, might be a camera.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Brian Curtis via Tech1 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 9:09 AM
To: Alan Taylor 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?

Morning All 

Whilst we are on the subject of Television (and Film too) terms how did a "camera crane" or as Wikipedia puts it "wheeled cart" become known as a "dolly". I know this is maybe more common in the film industry and possibly in America too but seems to me we use the term "track in" and "dolly in" interchangeably?

Any thoughts?

Cheers

Brian

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 06:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  Television really took off in the 50s and 60s.  I would assume that most people coming into the business would have done some form of National Service and that slang or terminology from different services would have crept into the television industry that way.  Other words entered broadcasting terminology via Post Office engineering. I was told that referring to a small screwdriver as a tweaker is a Post Office term.

  I?ve always been fascinated by etymology and one of the more plausible explanations offered to me was that the word was a shortened version of ?oddity?.  It certainly fitted in with the way that a ditty box was used by sailors either for miscellaneous personal effects, or for tools and accessories. 

  Similarly, the vehicle accompanying the scanner and carrying the cables and other equipment is referred to as a tender. That?s a word used by sailors for a boat which supports another boat, or railway engineers use the word to describe a small wagon supporting the locomotive.  I?d be interested to know when OBs first used tenders because descriptions of early OBs referred to just three vehicles being used, the scanning vehicle, the transmitting van and a mobile generator van. Presumably the cameras and cable drums travelled within those vehicles, hopefully well separated. 

  Alan Taylor

    On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:29, Geoffrey Hawkes <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com> wrote:

    ?From what I found in the Concise OED, I think you?re right. I wondered who decided to adopt the name for BBC OB use and how it became generally accepted. Just one of those things, I suppose, 
    Geoff



      On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      ? 
      I was told it was a Navy term for a box of bits.

      Alan Taylor


        On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:00, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


        ? 
        Following the talk about the origin of the term ?scanner?, I wondered why the equipment boxes on the OB trucks were called ?ditty-boxes?, quaint when ?ditty? is the name for a short simple song.

        Perhaps our OB colleagues and others would like to think on that and how far it goes back, though I doubt if it will need as much discussion as previously,

        Geoff



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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 04:44:19 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 10:44:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Dolly"?
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Hi all,

"Dolly" was (always) common in TV.

Crew list 1st May 1962? - on the camera side there were Dolly Operators

Although, as I recall, we only ever "tracked in" and "tracked out" 
(1963-1967) - but of course there were NO (camera) tracks!


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From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net  Tue Jun 16 05:01:14 2020
From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 11:01:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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Pretty certain it derives from the Naval term for a box to keep a sailors personal effects in.

On OBs in olden days each camera had its own ditty box containing ancillary bits like headphones, viewfinder hood etc depending on the type.

In EMI 2001 days it would have held viewfinder hood, cans and zoom and focus controls, as OB EMIs remoted the focus control onto the pan bar for greater flexibility. OB EMIs also had a simplified two position viewfinder mounting, one giving full rotate and a park position for transit.
We also removed the flimsy plastic top cue light cover which got easily damaged during rig and derig. Someone discovered a strong red glass Lucas truck vehicle taillight cover which fitted perfectly and was really robust.

Alec Wright our senior cameraman on London 2 was sometimes a bit slow in crewing shows up, so we relabelled the ditty boxes with crew names rather than Cam 1, 2 etc to concentrate his mind on crewing up before we rigged. Worked a treat and meant you always had your own cans to wear.

I?ve been helping Chris Wickham?s wife Heather to sort out lots of Chris?s tools and other effects as she tries to do a major declutter. I came across a couple of small items instantly recognisable to OB types that you may not have come across.

First was a tool made up in OB workshops to help with EMI 2001 lineups on site, beautifully made from steel and paxolin with a hooded screwdriver at one end for easy tube focus adjustment and a small tweaker on the other end for linearity controls. We had our own individual issue and very useful it was too.

Second items from LDK5  triax days was a ?bright eye? cable tester which was plugged into the camera end of a powered up triax cable. If it lit up you had continuity to the scanner. It revolutionised speedy fault finding on long cable runs and again we all had one.

Robin S



> On 16 Jun 2020, at 06:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Television really took off in the 50s and 60s.  I would assume that most people coming into the business would have done some form of National Service and that slang or terminology from different services would have crept into the television industry that way.  Other words entered broadcasting terminology via Post Office engineering. I was told that referring to a small screwdriver as a tweaker is a Post Office term.
> 
> I?ve always been fascinated by etymology and one of the more plausible explanations offered to me was that the word was a shortened version of ?oddity?.  It certainly fitted in with the way that a ditty box was used by sailors either for miscellaneous personal effects, or for tools and accessories. 
> 
> Similarly, the vehicle accompanying the scanner and carrying the cables and other equipment is referred to as a tender. That?s a word used by sailors for a boat which supports another boat, or railway engineers use the word to describe a small wagon supporting the locomotive.  I?d be interested to know when OBs first used tenders because descriptions of early OBs referred to just three vehicles being used, the scanning vehicle, the transmitting van and a mobile generator van. Presumably the cameras and cable drums travelled within those vehicles, hopefully well separated. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:29, Geoffrey Hawkes <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com <mailto:geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> ?From what I found in the Concise OED, I think you?re right. I wondered who decided to adopt the name for BBC OB use and how it became generally accepted. Just one of those things, I suppose,
>> Geoff
>> 
>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> I was told it was a Navy term for a box of bits.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:00, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> Following the talk about the origin of the term ?scanner?, I wondered why the equipment boxes on the OB trucks were called ?ditty-boxes?, quaint when ?ditty? is the name for a short simple song.
>>>> Perhaps our OB colleagues and others would like to think on that and how far it goes back, though I doubt if it will need as much discussion as previously,
>>>> Geoff
>>>>  
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue Jun 16 08:32:13 2020
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Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:32:13 +0000
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Well, OK I can't argue with anyone who was in TC1, as I was definitely in TC2 behind a camera (with captions!). So, perhaps that's why I didn't make the photo as only those who were in TC1 knew about it (and they missed my best side).

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On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 08:45, Peter Fox via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I agree with Bill. I recall working with him on it and using a couple of TC2 cameras. We were a little bit concerned about being on a different phase from TC1 cameras and that we might vanish in a puff of self cancelling positrons and electrons if we touched (joking!) We were however kept apart by being on an overlooking rostrum.
>
> Peter Fox
>
> On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:04, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> I was working on this show but for some reason I am not in the photo and I beg to differ Tony. The way I remember it is that TC2's cameras were in TC1. If you look at the photo the camera is a Marconi Mk IV so not one of TC1's complement.
> I also have a memory of Geoff Nichols working on this but can't spot him.
>
> I do remember Joan Marsden when asked to say something to test circuits coming out with "This is mother calling the World".
> Bill
>
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 20:44 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> No, TC2 cameras stayed in TC2 mostly for captions/graphics.
>>
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue Jun 16 08:34:08 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 13:34:08 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Dolly"?
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Well, they didn't just 'track in/out' since there was the Heron to contend with, and they did have 'tramlines' although these were lines of camera tape on the floor.

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On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 10:44, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> "Dolly" was (always) common in TV.
>
> Crew list 1st May 1962 - on the camera side there were Dolly Operators
>
> Although, as I recall, we only ever "tracked in" and "tracked out" (1963-1967) - but of course there were NO (camera) tracks!
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 08:42:47 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 14:42:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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The reason I asked about the cameras was that I could remember the globe 
and the Transatlantic in TC1, not 2. So why move a camera from one to 
the other? ? I can't imagine that they couldn't cope with six cameras 
available

B



On 16/06/2020 14:32, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Well, OK I can't argue with anyone who was in TC1, as I was definitely 
> in TC2 behind a camera (with captions!). So, perhaps that's why I 
> didn't make the photo as only those who were in TC1 knew about it (and 
> they missed my best side).
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
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> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 08:45, Peter Fox via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Bill. I recall working with him on it and using a couple 
>> of TC2 cameras. We were a little bit concerned about being on a 
>> different phase from TC1 cameras and that we might vanish in a puff 
>> of self cancelling positrons and electrons if we touched (joking!) We 
>> were however kept apart by being on an overlooking rostrum.
>>
>> Peter Fox
>>
>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:04, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>> I was working on this show but for some reason I am not in the photo 
>> and I beg to differ Tony.? The way I remember it is that TC2's 
>> cameras were in TC1. If you look at the photo the camera is a Marconi 
>> Mk IV so not one of TC1's complement.
>> I also have a memory of Geoff Nichols working on this but can't spot him.
>>
>> I do remember Joan? Marsden when asked to say something to test 
>> circuits coming out with "This is mother calling the World".
>> Bill
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Jun 2020, 20:44 techtone via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>     No, TC2 cameras stayed in TC2 mostly for captions/graphics.
>>
>>     TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 16 08:47:04 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 14:47:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Dolly"?
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Sadly, this has reminded me of a situation that I would now prefer to consign to the mists of time:
My task one day on a Schools programme was to drive the Vinten Motorised in TC2, or 5, with Jim Atkinson on board.
A curving track in from the corner of the studio, to line up with a tracking ?ladder? across a strip of flats representing shop fronts.
Thus we gradually traversed the different ?sets?.
Rehearsal perfect!
Come recording. I got it horribly wrong and ended up two foot further back from the line.
Thus the framed shot was wider than needed ? no zooms in those days to correct. I didn?t half get a telling off from Jim Atkinson! Joined Sound a while later!
Pat

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Sent: 16 June 2020 14:34
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Why "Dolly"?

Well, they didn't just 'track in/out' since there was the Heron to contend with, and they did have 'tramlines' although these were lines of camera tape on the floor.

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 08:52:33 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 14:52:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Dolly"?
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Hi!

On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> lines of camera tape on the floor

Not in my day!? It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out 
with big yellow wax crayons.

This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in 
full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he 
was on the front end of a Heron.? You'd put down a? Ladder, and the next 
minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.? 
You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to 
erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.

The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others 
discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then go 
full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was 
happy, we still had the same ladder....

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From david.beer at talktalk.net  Tue Jun 16 10:09:50 2020
From: david.beer at talktalk.net (David Beer)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:09:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of Hammersmith as 
she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.

Dave

On 15/06/2020 23:25, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Joan was quite fierce but ran the studio with impeccable discipline.
>
> A story from Panorama ? true, as I was there...
>
> Richard D was the ultimate professional, but he had a lovely sense of 
> humour.
>
> Fellow technicians will remember Joan Marsden (Floor Manager) known as 
> "Mother" to cast and crew alike, who ran the studio with a rod of iron.
>
> One night, to illustrate the number of summonses sent out by one 
> London borough, there was a huge pile of brown envelopes in front of 
> R's desk. On rehearsal, he leant forward, picked upon the top one, 
> wrote on it, replaced it, and beckoned the camera to focus on it.
>
> It read: "To Mother - for Soliciting"
>
> Pat
>
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> *From: *Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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> I do remember Joan? Marsden when asked to say something to test 
> circuits coming out with "This is mother calling the World".
>
> Bill
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 16 10:39:58 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 16:39:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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In article <7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net>,
   David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of Hammersmith as 
> she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.

And what was the name of that block of flats? Had a radio shop on the
ground floor where you could get valves tested.

Was it The Grampians?

-- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jun 16 11:08:52 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:08:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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That was the building that also housed Babano books.

Together with Haynes of Sparkford and their car repair handbooks, they were the publishers who kept many of us going in our youth ... disregarding Penthouse of course.

John Sullivan ( Fools and Horses ) once told me that inside the cover, the Haynes manuals always stated something like Paris, New York, London and Sparkford. He lifted the gag and turned it into New York, Paris, Peckham .... but mostly Peckham.

Alan Taylor


> On 16 Jun 2020, at 16:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net>,
>   David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of Hammersmith as 
>> she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.
> 
> And what was the name of that block of flats? Had a radio shop on the
> ground floor where you could get valves tested.
> 
> Was it The Grampians?
> 
> -- 
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 11:24:34 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:24:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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Granville Mansions?

This was Joan's obit in the Guardian -

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/mar/12/broadcasting.guardianobituaries

> On 16 Jun 2020, at 16:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?In article <7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net>,
> >   David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of Hammersmith as
> >> she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.
> >
> > And what was the name of that block of flats? Had a radio shop on the
> > ground floor where you could get valves tested.
> >
> > Was it The Grampians?
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 11:45:04 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 17:45:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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Alan, Its Babani books and is still at the same address!
http://www.babanibooks.com/

Scans of lots of their old books are available in the lower half of this American site:
https://worldradiohistory.com/Bookshelf_Bernards_Babani.htm

Happy reading...
Paul

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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again

That was the building that also housed Babano books.

Together with Haynes of Sparkford and their car repair handbooks, they were the publishers who kept many of us going in our youth ... disregarding Penthouse of course.

John Sullivan ( Fools and Horses ) once told me that inside the cover, the Haynes manuals always stated something like Paris, New York, London and Sparkford. He lifted the gag and turned it into New York, Paris, Peckham .... but mostly Peckham.

Alan Taylor


> On 16 Jun 2020, at 16:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?In article <7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net>,
>   David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of Hammersmith 
>> as she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.
> 
> And what was the name of that block of flats? Had a radio shop on the 
> ground floor where you could get valves tested.
> 
> Was it The Grampians?
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 16 12:32:32 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:32:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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In article <D506515F-D38A-42A3-8A70-F360B8A89364 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> John Sullivan ( Fools and Horses ) once told me that inside the cover,
> the Haynes manuals always stated something like Paris, New York, London
> and Sparkford. He lifted the gag and turned it into New York, Paris,
> Peckham .... but mostly Peckham.

Ah - is that were it came from?

Have a T shirt with 'The Bill' on tour. Peckham, Mitcham, Camberwell, etc.
Made by one of the rigger/driver/grips, Johnny Ridge. Happy days.

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 16 12:48:45 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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Definitely, The Grampians. I bought my TMK500 meter in the radio spares 
shop in the front of the block, plus many Service sheets for TV and 
Radios. Cheers, Dave

On 16/06/2020 17:24, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote:
> Granville Mansions?
>
> This was Joan's obit in the Guardian -
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/mar/12/broadcasting.guardianobituaries
>
>     > On 16 Jun 2020, at 16:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1
>     <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>     >
>     > ?In article <7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net
>     <mailto:7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net>>,
>     >? ?David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>     <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>     >> Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of
>     Hammersmith as
>     >> she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.
>     >
>     > And what was the name of that block of flats? Had a radio shop
>     on the
>     > ground floor where you could get valves tested.
>     >
>     > Was it The Grampians?
>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jun 16 13:04:31 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 18:04:31 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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It?s definitely The Grampians - you can street-view it on Google Earth. The last time I saw Mother was about twenty years ago, when we took our girls to see the pantomime at the Lyric Theatre Hammersmith. She was working as a volunteer usherette, showing people to their seats. As soon as she saw me she set about finding us better seats, which she did, bless her.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 16 Jun 2020, at 18:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Definitely, The Grampians. I bought my TMK500 meter in the radio spares shop in the front of the block, plus many Service sheets for TV and Radios. Cheers, Dave

On 16/06/2020 17:24, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote:
Granville Mansions?

This was Joan's obit in the Guardian -

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/mar/12/broadcasting.guardianobituaries

> On 16 Jun 2020, at 16:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> ?In article <7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net<mailto:7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net>>,
>   David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of Hammersmith as
>> she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.
>
> And what was the name of that block of flats? Had a radio shop on the
> ground floor where you could get valves tested.
>
> Was it The Grampians?


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 16 13:25:33 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:25:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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Definitely Naval ? confirmed by an ex-RN friend.

Pat

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From: Robin Sutherland via Tech1
Sent: 16 June 2020 11:01
Cc: TechOps Forum
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?

Pretty certain it derives from the Naval term for a box to keep a sailors personal effects in.




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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 16 13:31:06 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:31:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW: thoughts
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This came from  friend ? a bit USA, but equally pertinent.
(I do manage to avoid wine until 10:30 though!)
Pat

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? I hope they give us two weeks notice before sending us back out into the real world.? I think we'll all need the time to become ourselves again.? And by "ourselves" I mean lose 10 pounds, cut our hair and get used to not drinking at 9:00 a.m.
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New monthly budget:? Gas $0? Entertainment $0? Clothes $0?? Groceries $2,799.
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Breaking News:? Wearing a mask inside your home is now highly recommended.? Not so? much to stop COVID-19, but to stop eating.
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Low maintenance chicks are having their moment right now.? We don't have nails to file and paint, roots to dye, eyelashes to re-mink, and are thrilled not to have to get dressed every day.? I have been training for this moment my entire life!
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When this quarantine is over, let's not tell some people.
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I stepped on my scale this morning.? It said: "Please practice social distancing. Only one person at a time on scale."
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Not to brag, but I haven't been late to anything in over 6 weeks.
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It may take a village to raise a child but I swear its going to take a vineyard to home school one.
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I wanted zombies and anarchy.? Instead we got working from home and toilet paper shortages.? 
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Worst. Apocalypse. Ever.
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You know those car commercials where there's only vehicle on the road - doesn't seem so unrealistic these days ...
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They can open things up next month, I'm staying in until July to see what happens to you all first.
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Day 37:? The garbage man placed an AA flyer on my recycling bin.
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The spread of Covid-19 is based on two things:
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1. How dense the population is.
?
2. How dense the population is.
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Appropriate analogy: "The curve is flattening so we can start lifting restrictions now" = "The parachute has slowed our rate of descent, so we can take it off now".
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People keep asking: "Is coronavirus REALLY all that serious?"? Listen y'all, the churches and?casinos are closed.? When heaven and hell agree on the same thing it's probably pretty serious.
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Never in a million years could I have imagined I would go up to a bank teller wearing a mask and ask for money.
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Home school Day 1:? I'm trying to figure out how I can get this kid transferred out of my class.
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Putting a drink in each room of my house today and calling it a pub crawl.
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Okay, the schools are closed.? So do we drop the kids off at the teacher's house or what?
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For the second part of this quarantine do we have to stay with the same family or will they relocate us?? Asking for myself ..
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Coronavirus has turned us all into dogs.? We wander around the house looking for food.? We get told "No" if we get too close to strangers and we get really excited about going for walks and car rides.
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The dumbest thing I've ever bought was a 2020 planner ..
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I was in a long line at 7:45 am today at the grocery store that opened at 8:00 for seniors?only.? A young man came from the parking lot and tried to cut in at the front of the line, but an old lady beat him back into the parking lot with her cane.
? ? ? He returned and tried to cut in again but an old man punched him in the gut, then kicked him to the ground and rolled him away.
? ? ? ? As he approached the line for the 3rd time he said, "If you don't let me unlock the door, you'll never get in there."?
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Tue Jun 16 13:40:55 2020
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:40:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The Our World crew photo-summing up!
Message-ID: <CAKrdDqsPNwRNBaznTeCH41qVupnTBOB9ap5fOF1KD4HNxhpq7A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone who was prepared to play the impossible game of spotted
faces on the Our World crew picture ...after 53 years!
I know it has become even more confusing since Mike Jordan kindly gave us a
higher res photo from the 2015 exhibition...which I then renumbered, adding
more into the pot of the 'faces-numbers game'.
I've tried therefore to collate the names given and have also gone back to
Alec Bray's original May 2016 post.
It's become a Word doc. and if anyone still has the heart to 'play this
game' I'd love to have a final tot up of faces/names.

I have however already learnt plenty that I didn't know by also 'googling'
a bit more.
Jean Marsden was obvious to all and Aubrey Singer was in pole position on
the crane.
plus Noble Wilson (51) up on the crane-was directed in TC1 (Master Control
for 'the World)', whilst  Darrol Blake (not a Designer any more) directed
the TC1 floor...from the gallery of TC2!  This arrangement is described by
Bill Jenkin in the May 2016 posts on TechOps. See drawing he gave then:

[image: 1967-Our_World-TC1 and TC2 interlinking-detail drawing.jpg]

So as you have been saying, TC2 cameras...in both areas! A question
though.... 'Eido' in TC2 in the drawing is obviously an Eidophor. I only
know it as a front projection tool but did it do Back Projection as well?
There's lots of BP in the linking parts.
Was Norman Taylor 'Head of Engineering' at this time...he's the only guy
that got on the end roller in the YouTube 'complete version' of the show,
before it cuts off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3LmQFt4pQc

It is though such a pity that the picture quality of that YouTube copy is
so totally appalling. I know 1967 black-and-white wasn't perfect, but
'Telerecording'/home video deck /YouTube mpeg'....it's reduced it to sludge
alas.

I'm a 'foreign sound man (well ITV-ouch!), but want to be able to credit as
many as I can in what I write. My only contribution is spotting two
soundmen who were 'out in the other TV world' during my time-Greg Ade -41
and Keith Warren-46.
As I said any additions or job labels still appreciated on the Word doc.

Dave Taylor
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue Jun 16 14:22:56 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 19:22:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Dolly"?
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Ah yes, timber crayon, yellow in early sixties with blue added late sixties (plus red at a later date). But this could be washed off when set designer decided to have a quick floor paint before TX/TR. Mind you, if you'd used camera tape instead of crayon, woe betide you if you didn't remove it all during derig.

TeaTeaFN - Tony


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On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 14:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>
> > lines of camera tape on the floor
>
> Not in my day!? It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out
> with big yellow wax crayons.
>
> This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in
> full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he
> was on the front end of a Heron.? You'd put down a? Ladder, and the next
> minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.?
> You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to
> erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.
>
> The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others
> discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then go
> full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was
> happy, we still had the same ladder....
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob: 07789 561 346
> home: 0118 981 7502




From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 15:06:18 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:06:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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Anyone who has ever visited the Mary Rose at Portsmouth Naval site could have told you that

Dave D

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
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To: Robin Sutherland <robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net>
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?

 

Definitely Naval ? confirmed by an ex-RN friend.

 

Pat

 

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From: Robin Sutherland via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Sent: 16 June 2020 11:01
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?

 

Pretty certain it derives from the Naval term for a box to keep a sailors personal effects in.

 

 

 

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From geoffletch at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 15:12:49 2020
From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:12:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Our World...yet again
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Pete Ware was  a fighter pilot in WW2 and always had a special rapport with
Joan.  He once told me that they had worked out that she was one of the
plotters in her WAAF days who vectored his squadron (72) onto the enemy
formations. I witnessed a very funny episode of her putting an idiot uppity
director in her place on Panorama once in an incident involving Robin Day,
but that's another story.
G

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 19:05, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> It?s definitely The Grampians - you can street-view it on Google Earth.
> The last time I saw Mother was about twenty years ago, when we took our
> girls to see the pantomime at the Lyric Theatre Hammersmith. She was
> working as a volunteer usherette, showing people to their seats. As soon as
> she saw me she set about finding us better seats, which she did, bless her.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> On 16 Jun 2020, at 18:49, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> Definitely, The Grampians. I bought my TMK500 meter in the radio spares
> shop in the front of the block, plus many Service sheets for TV and Radios.
> Cheers, Dave
> On 16/06/2020 17:24, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Granville Mansions?
>
> This was Joan's obit in the Guardian -
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/mar/12/broadcasting.guardianobituaries
>
> > On 16 Jun 2020, at 16:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?In article <7cc77b0a-e5f1-5323-f69a-603633735f41 at talktalk.net>,
>> >   David Beer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> >> Robert Robinson used to refer to Joan as The Duchess of Hammersmith as
>> >> she had a flat the other side of Shepherd's Bush Green.
>> >
>> > And what was the name of that block of flats? Had a radio shop on the
>> > ground floor where you could get valves tested.
>> >
>> > Was it The Grampians?
>>
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 16 15:30:55 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:30:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Means to an End
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Jolting the Heron to fool the man on the front that you had actually 
moved, as ordered, was very similar to the sound version. I spent a long 
time in the grid of a studio (which, being above the lights and in 
pocket less overalls, was very hot!) keeping an incompetent Sound 
Supervisor happy when he wanted a slung mic. moved one foot this way, or 
that. As we all know, that wouldn't make any difference whatsoever, so 
the technique was to shake the cable and peace reigned!? The most 
annoying thing was that after an overrun and de-rig we got to the club 
just after closing time and he hadn't bought anybody a drink! Kim, eat 
your heart out! Cheers, Dave

On 16/06/2020 20:22, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> Ah yes, timber crayon, yellow in early sixties with blue added late sixties (plus red at a later date). But this could be washed off when set designer decided to have a quick floor paint before TX/TR. Mind you, if you'd used camera tape instead of crayon, woe betide you if you didn't remove it all during derig.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 14:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>> lines of camera tape on the floor
>> Not in my day!? It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out
>> with big yellow wax crayons.
>>
>> This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in
>> full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he
>> was on the front end of a Heron.? You'd put down a? Ladder, and the next
>> minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.
>> You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to
>> erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.
>>
>> The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others
>> discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then go
>> full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was
>> happy, we still had the same ladder....
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> Alec Bray
>>
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob: 07789 561 346
>> home: 0118 981 7502
>
>


From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 16 15:57:40 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 21:57:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] LO5 tape
In-Reply-To: <F00BF9C0-AAE6-4B6C-9438-1C69C4632B88@ukgateway.net>
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I was appointed to LO5 when it arrived from Andover and did the base 
testing with Ian Leiper (RIP) and Barry Morgan. In those days every unit 
had it's own tape with the resister code colour and name, hence green 
for LO5 and blue for LO6 etc. This made it very easy to separate your 
scanner cables and equipment from other units, at a mass de-rig such as 
Wimbledoom, where everything ends up in a huge pile. Sometime later, a 
genius decided that, to save money, all tape would be the same colour, 
with no names, in order to save money! It must have cost much more in 
the time taken to sort out whose equipment belonged to who! If it ain't 
broke, don't fix it! Cheers, Dave

On 16/06/2020 11:01, Robin Sutherland via Tech1 wrote:
> Pretty certain it derives from the Naval term for a box to keep a 
> sailors personal effects in.
>
> On OBs in olden days each camera had its own ditty box containing 
> ancillary bits like headphones, viewfinder hood etc depending on the type.
>
> In EMI 2001 days it would have held viewfinder hood, cans and zoom and 
> focus controls, as OB EMIs remoted the focus control onto the pan bar 
> for greater flexibility. OB EMIs also had a simplified two position 
> viewfinder mounting, one giving full rotate and a park position for 
> transit.
> We also removed the flimsy plastic top cue light cover which got 
> easily damaged during rig and derig. Someone discovered a strong red 
> glass Lucas truck vehicle taillight cover which fitted perfectly and 
> was really robust.
>
> Alec Wright our senior cameraman on London 2 was sometimes a bit slow 
> in crewing shows up, so we relabelled the ditty boxes with crew names 
> rather than Cam 1, 2 etc to concentrate his mind on crewing up before 
> we rigged. Worked a treat and meant you always had your own cans to wear.
>
> I?ve been helping Chris Wickham?s wife Heather to sort out lots of 
> Chris?s tools and other effects as she tries to do a major declutter. 
> I came across a couple of small items instantly recognisable to OB 
> types that you may not have come across.
>
> First was a tool made up in OB workshops to help with EMI 2001 lineups 
> on site, beautifully made from steel and paxolin with a hooded 
> screwdriver at one end for easy tube focus adjustment and a small 
> tweaker on the other end for linearity controls. We had our own 
> individual issue and very useful it was too.
>
> Second items from LDK5 ?triax days was a ?bright eye? cable tester 
> which was plugged into the camera end of a powered up triax cable. If 
> it lit up you had continuity to the scanner. It revolutionised speedy 
> fault finding on long cable runs and again we all had one.
>
> Robin S
>
>
>
>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 06:31, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Television really took off in the 50s and 60s. ?I would assume that 
>> most people coming into the business would have done some form of 
>> National Service and that slang or terminology from different 
>> services would have crept into the television industry that way. 
>> ?Other words entered broadcasting terminology via Post Office 
>> engineering. I was told that referring to a small screwdriver as a 
>> tweaker is a Post Office term.
>>
>> I?ve always been fascinated by etymology and one of the more 
>> plausible explanations offered to me was that the word was a 
>> shortened version of ?oddity?. ?It certainly fitted in with the way 
>> that a ditty box was used by sailors either for miscellaneous 
>> personal effects, or for tools and accessories.
>>
>> Similarly, the vehicle accompanying the scanner and carrying the 
>> cables and other equipment is referred to as a tender. That?s a word 
>> used by sailors for a boat which supports another boat, or railway 
>> engineers use the word to describe a small wagon supporting the 
>> locomotive. ?I?d be interested to know when OBs first used tenders 
>> because descriptions of early OBs referred to just three vehicles 
>> being used, the scanning vehicle, the transmitting van and a mobile 
>> generator van. Presumably the cameras and cable drums travelled 
>> within those vehicles, hopefully well separated.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 23:29, Geoffrey Hawkes <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> ?From what I found in the Concise OED, I think you?re right. I 
>>> wondered who decided to adopt the name for BBC OB use and how it 
>>> became generally accepted. Just one of those things, I suppose,
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> I was told it was a Navy term for a box of bits.
>>>>
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Jun 2020, at 19:00, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Following the talk about the origin of the term ?scanner?, I 
>>>>> wondered why the equipment boxes on the OB trucks were called 
>>>>> ?ditty-boxes?, quaint when ?ditty? is the name for a short simple 
>>>>> song.
>>>>> Perhaps our OB colleagues and others would like to think on that 
>>>>> and how far it goes back, though I doubt if it will need as much 
>>>>> discussion as previously,
>>>>> *Geoff*
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 16 17:20:21 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2020 23:20:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] French genius!
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You just need one of these special masks! Cheers, Dave

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From oksound at talktalk.net  Wed Jun 17 03:34:29 2020
From: oksound at talktalk.net (Ken Osbourn)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:34:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Why "Ditty-Box"?
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jun 17 04:21:46 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 09:21:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Means to an End
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351A40591D6A4181F832F04A79A0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Remind me Dave, Kim, that was DMT, right? Just back from Evesham to Crew 11, my Damascene moment involved Vic Goodrich, who I didn?t like at first. I thought him to be a bully, demanding everything to be done and redone until he thought it OK. Then one day in ?G? on an Eric Robinson show, he noticed that I?d been sent several times to move a slung C12, exactly as you say. Vic said ?I?d better come and see what you?re doing wrong?, and when we got to the rope, he just kicked it gently a couple of times, saying ?There, that's how to do it!? And that?s all it took to turn a deepening hatred into huge respect!
Maybe I should add that I counted DMT as one of the people I was most sorry to leave behind when I left the Beeb. You only had to watch him listening to a piece of good music to know where he was coming from. And who knows, maybe the C12 did need a good kicking? And maybe also, he secretly knew that was all it was getting!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 16 Jun 2020, at 21:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Jolting the Heron to fool the man on the front that you had actually moved, as ordered, was very similar to the sound version. I spent a long time in the grid of a studio (which, being above the lights and in pocket less overalls, was very hot!) keeping an incompetent Sound Supervisor happy when he wanted a slung mic. moved one foot this way, or that. As we all know, that wouldn't make any difference whatsoever, so the technique was to shake the cable and peace reigned!  The most annoying thing was that after an overrun and de-rig we got to the club just after closing time and he hadn't bought anybody a drink! Kim, eat your heart out! Cheers, Dave
> 
>>>> On 16/06/2020 20:22, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>> Ah yes, timber crayon, yellow in early sixties with blue added late sixties (plus red at a later date). But this could be washed off when set designer decided to have a quick floor paint before TX/TR. Mind you, if you'd used camera tape instead of crayon, woe betide you if you didn't remove it all during derig.
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>> On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 14:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>> On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> lines of camera tape on the floor
>>> Not in my day!  It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out
>>> with big yellow wax crayons.
>>> This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in
>>> full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he
>>> was on the front end of a Heron.  You'd put down a  Ladder, and the next
>>> minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.
>>> You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to
>>> erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.
>>> The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others
>>> discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then go
>>> full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was
>>> happy, we still had the same ladder....
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Best Regards
>>> Alec
>>> Alec Bray
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> mob: 07789 561 346
>>> home: 0118 981 7502
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 04:35:56 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 10:35:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Means to an End
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No Nick! Kim was NB! I asked someone why he was known as Kim and they 
said it was because everybody said 'F**KIM'! DMT was famous by having a 
label on the AudioBaton eq. device called a 'DMT Protector' which was in 
fact a fuse. Apparently he once got a shock from the case due to a loose 
connection inside. He was also famous for having a big argument with 
Sound Manager 'A' because he wanted to do his own mix of the sig. tune 
for 'War and Peace' which he was working on. As he was in sound group 
'B' that was not allowed! I think he won in the end and it was a great 
mix. Cheers, Dave

On 17/06/2020 10:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Remind me Dave, Kim, that was DMT, right? Just back from Evesham to Crew 11, my Damascene moment involved Vic Goodrich, who I didn?t like at first. I thought him to be a bully, demanding everything to be done and redone until he thought it OK. Then one day in ?G? on an Eric Robinson show, he noticed that I?d been sent several times to move a slung C12, exactly as you say. Vic said ?I?d better come and see what you?re doing wrong?, and when we got to the rope, he just kicked it gently a couple of times, saying ?There, that's how to do it!? And that?s all it took to turn a deepening hatred into huge respect!
> Maybe I should add that I counted DMT as one of the people I was most sorry to leave behind when I left the Beeb. You only had to watch him listening to a piece of good music to know where he was coming from. And who knows, maybe the C12 did need a good kicking? And maybe also, he secretly knew that was all it was getting!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 21:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?Jolting the Heron to fool the man on the front that you had actually moved, as ordered, was very similar to the sound version. I spent a long time in the grid of a studio (which, being above the lights and in pocket less overalls, was very hot!) keeping an incompetent Sound Supervisor happy when he wanted a slung mic. moved one foot this way, or that. As we all know, that wouldn't make any difference whatsoever, so the technique was to shake the cable and peace reigned!  The most annoying thing was that after an overrun and de-rig we got to the club just after closing time and he hadn't bought anybody a drink! Kim, eat your heart out! Cheers, Dave
>>
>>>>> On 16/06/2020 20:22, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Ah yes, timber crayon, yellow in early sixties with blue added late sixties (plus red at a later date). But this could be washed off when set designer decided to have a quick floor paint before TX/TR. Mind you, if you'd used camera tape instead of crayon, woe betide you if you didn't remove it all during derig.
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>>> On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 14:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>> On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> lines of camera tape on the floor
>>>> Not in my day!  It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out
>>>> with big yellow wax crayons.
>>>> This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in
>>>> full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he
>>>> was on the front end of a Heron.  You'd put down a  Ladder, and the next
>>>> minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.
>>>> You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to
>>>> erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.
>>>> The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others
>>>> discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then go
>>>> full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was
>>>> happy, we still had the same ladder....
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Alec
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> mob: 07789 561 346
>>>> home: 0118 981 7502
>> -- 
>> Tech1 mailing list
>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 04:42:35 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 10:42:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Means to an End
In-Reply-To: <9b45a634-c050-d870-9384-112fa08f91e4@btinternet.com>
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Kim was famous in the Club bar for only buying you a half-pint of whatever you?d asked for! Dave Hedden put me wise to this and gave me the solution! Next time I worked with Kim I ordered a light and bitter!
Barry.



On 17 Jun 2020, at 10:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> No Nick! Kim was NB! I asked someone why he was known as Kim and they said it was because everybody said 'F**KIM'! DMT was famous by having a label on the AudioBaton eq. device called a 'DMT Protector' which was in fact a fuse. Apparently he once got a shock from the case due to a loose connection inside. He was also famous for having a big argument with Sound Manager 'A' because he wanted to do his own mix of the sig. tune for 'War and Peace' which he was working on. As he was in sound group 'B' that was not allowed! I think he won in the end and it was a great mix. Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 17/06/2020 10:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> Remind me Dave, Kim, that was DMT, right? Just back from Evesham to Crew 11, my Damascene moment involved Vic Goodrich, who I didn?t like at first. I thought him to be a bully, demanding everything to be done and redone until he thought it OK. Then one day in ?G? on an Eric Robinson show, he noticed that I?d been sent several times to move a slung C12, exactly as you say. Vic said ?I?d better come and see what you?re doing wrong?, and when we got to the rope, he just kicked it gently a couple of times, saying ?There, that's how to do it!? And that?s all it took to turn a deepening hatred into huge respect!
>> Maybe I should add that I counted DMT as one of the people I was most sorry to leave behind when I left the Beeb. You only had to watch him listening to a piece of good music to know where he was coming from. And who knows, maybe the C12 did need a good kicking? And maybe also, he secretly knew that was all it was getting!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> 
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>> 
>>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 21:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Jolting the Heron to fool the man on the front that you had actually moved, as ordered, was very similar to the sound version. I spent a long time in the grid of a studio (which, being above the lights and in pocket less overalls, was very hot!) keeping an incompetent Sound Supervisor happy when he wanted a slung mic. moved one foot this way, or that. As we all know, that wouldn't make any difference whatsoever, so the technique was to shake the cable and peace reigned!  The most annoying thing was that after an overrun and de-rig we got to the club just after closing time and he hadn't bought anybody a drink! Kim, eat your heart out! Cheers, Dave
>>> 
>>>>>> On 16/06/2020 20:22, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> Ah yes, timber crayon, yellow in early sixties with blue added late sixties (plus red at a later date). But this could be washed off when set designer decided to have a quick floor paint before TX/TR. Mind you, if you'd used camera tape instead of crayon, woe betide you if you didn't remove it all during derig.
>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>>>> On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 14:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>>> lines of camera tape on the floor
>>>>> Not in my day!  It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out
>>>>> with big yellow wax crayons.
>>>>> This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in
>>>>> full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he
>>>>> was on the front end of a Heron.  You'd put down a  Ladder, and the next
>>>>> minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.
>>>>> You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to
>>>>> erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.
>>>>> The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others
>>>>> discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then go
>>>>> full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was
>>>>> happy, we still had the same ladder....
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>> Alec
>>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>>> mob: 07789 561 346
>>>>> home: 0118 981 7502
>>> -- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 17 04:51:02 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 10:51:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] NIcknames
Message-ID: <CB75066A-3A76-46E3-A9F4-3C60BFA06A3B@me.com>

I was amused to hear the explanation for KIm and wondered about other funny, apt or clever nicknames.

If replying, just bear in mind that you don't know who gets to read these emails, so be careful about specifically mentioning real names if it could be hurtful.

One favourite of mine was a new rigger who proved himself to rather workshy, always leaving everybody else to do the hard slog.  He was given the nickname Stan, which he was quite happy with.  Everybody else knew that the full version was Stan Still.


Alan Taylor

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 05:27:14 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:27:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kim
Message-ID: <8b8a91c4-8cac-ab3b-6221-38f3ed2c86e1@btinternet.com>

He passed away a long time ago. I seem to remember that he had a 
muscular wasting disease and could hardly walk the last time I saw him. 
There are lots of stories about him! He was promoted twice without 
attending a board! 'Considered in his absence' was the phrase used! We 
all thought that he got 'something' on someone high up! His home was in 
Maidenhead, I believe where his wife had a clothes shop. However, he 
also had a flat by Ealing Broadway station which he shared with Ella 
Slack. She was an admin. person in Kensington House and used to stand-in 
for The Queen during rehearsals for Royal events! He certainly wasn't 
short of money. He and a friend bought a plot of land near home and 
built two houses on it. Cheers, Dave



From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 05:24:06 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:24:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Means to an End
In-Reply-To: <9b45a634-c050-d870-9384-112fa08f91e4@btinternet.com>
References: <VI1P189MB0351A40591D6A4181F832F04A79A0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<9b45a634-c050-d870-9384-112fa08f91e4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5881fae187davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <9b45a634-c050-d870-9384-112fa08f91e4 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> No Nick! Kim was NB! I asked someone why he was known as Kim and they 
> said it was because everybody said 'F**KIM'! DMT was famous by having a 
> label on the AudioBaton eq. device called a 'DMT Protector' which was in 
> fact a fuse. Apparently he once got a shock from the case due to a loose 
> connection inside.

Anorak on here.

On the back of the Audio Baton, there was a power output. A four pin
socket with HT and heater volts. IIRC the socket was actually a battery
connector from the days of valve portable radios, and although a socket,
the female connectors were crimped to the fibre plate, so you could touch
them. And DMT did. ;-) Being across the power supply, they were likely
still 'live' for a short time after powering the unit down.  

It wasn't faulty as such. Just badly designed by today's standards.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 05:33:44 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:33:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kim
In-Reply-To: <8b8a91c4-8cac-ab3b-6221-38f3ed2c86e1@btinternet.com>
References: <8b8a91c4-8cac-ab3b-6221-38f3ed2c86e1@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <7E0B6B53-3F82-46FA-98E2-E56BFACB0553@btinternet.com>

Norman died from mesothelioma (caused by inhaling asbestos fibres). 

After his death several of us were asked by his solicitors to comment on whether he?d come in contact with asbestos in the BBC. Something of course we declined to do.
Barry.



On 17 Jun 2020, at 11:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> He passed away a long time ago. I seem to remember that he had a muscular wasting disease and could hardly walk the last time I saw him. There are lots of stories about him! He was promoted twice without attending a board! 'Considered in his absence' was the phrase used! We all thought that he got 'something' on someone high up! His home was in Maidenhead, I believe where his wife had a clothes shop. However, he also had a flat by Ealing Broadway station which he shared with Ella Slack. She was an admin. person in Kensington House and used to stand-in for The Queen during rehearsals for Royal events! He certainly wasn't short of money. He and a friend bought a plot of land near home and built two houses on it. Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun 17 05:54:40 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:54:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Means to an End
In-Reply-To: <9b45a634-c050-d870-9384-112fa08f91e4@btinternet.com>
References: <VI1P189MB0351A40591D6A4181F832F04A79A0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <CD62AB97C30E453099DBE84CE511AC48@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

NB - there's a name to stir a recollection or two. Back in the days when JAS 
had finally acquired his private pilot's licence, Norman would allude to the 
fact that he too was a pilot. John was clearly sceptical to say the least, 
even though Norman wasn't short of a anecdote or two regarding his 
experience. Eventually an opportunity arose for the two of them to be on the 
airfield together and John offered him the opportunity to take the controls. 
Norman waffled and declined. Impossible to know what lay behind it but many 
thought that much of what Norman had to say about many things was fantasy 
land.

Sad to see though from Barry's post how he succumbed to mesothelioma. I have 
lost two friends to the dreadful condition - one was an ex Navy man who had 
spent extensive time in an at risk environment, the other a University 
lecturer whose only exposure had been a brief period as a presence when 
asbestos was being stripped out and it was necessary for someone to be on 
campus (though not directly exposed in the work area).

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:35 AM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Means to an End

No Nick! Kim was NB! I asked someone why he was known as Kim and they
said it was because everybody said 'F**KIM'! DMT was famous by having a
label on the AudioBaton eq. device called a 'DMT Protector' which was in
fact a fuse. Apparently he once got a shock from the case due to a loose
connection inside. He was also famous for having a big argument with
Sound Manager 'A' because he wanted to do his own mix of the sig. tune
for 'War and Peace' which he was working on. As he was in sound group
'B' that was not allowed! I think he won in the end and it was a great
mix. Cheers, Dave

On 17/06/2020 10:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Remind me Dave, Kim, that was DMT, right? Just back from Evesham to Crew 
> 11, my Damascene moment involved Vic Goodrich, who I didn?t like at first. 
> I thought him to be a bully, demanding everything to be done and redone 
> until he thought it OK. Then one day in ?G? on an Eric Robinson show, he 
> noticed that I?d been sent several times to move a slung C12, exactly as 
> you say. Vic said ?I?d better come and see what you?re doing wrong?, and 
> when we got to the rope, he just kicked it gently a couple of times, 
> saying ?There, that's how to do it!? And that?s all it took to turn a 
> deepening hatred into huge respect!
> Maybe I should add that I counted DMT as one of the people I was most 
> sorry to leave behind when I left the Beeb. You only had to watch him 
> listening to a piece of good music to know where he was coming from. And 
> who knows, maybe the C12 did need a good kicking? And maybe also, he 
> secretly knew that was all it was getting!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 21:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Jolting the Heron to fool the man on the front that you had actually 
>> moved, as ordered, was very similar to the sound version. I spent a long 
>> time in the grid of a studio (which, being above the lights and in pocket 
>> less overalls, was very hot!) keeping an incompetent Sound Supervisor 
>> happy when he wanted a slung mic. moved one foot this way, or that. As we 
>> all know, that wouldn't make any difference whatsoever, so the technique 
>> was to shake the cable and peace reigned!  The most annoying thing was 
>> that after an overrun and de-rig we got to the club just after closing 
>> time and he hadn't bought anybody a drink! Kim, eat your heart out! 
>> Cheers, Dave
>>
>>>>> On 16/06/2020 20:22, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Ah yes, timber crayon, yellow in early sixties with blue added late 
>>> sixties (plus red at a later date). But this could be washed off when 
>>> set designer decided to have a quick floor paint before TX/TR. Mind you, 
>>> if you'd used camera tape instead of crayon, woe betide you if you 
>>> didn't remove it all during derig.
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>>> On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 14:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>> On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> lines of camera tape on the floor
>>>> Not in my day!  It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out
>>>> with big yellow wax crayons.
>>>> This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in
>>>> full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he
>>>> was on the front end of a Heron.  You'd put down a  Ladder, and the 
>>>> next
>>>> minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.
>>>> You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to
>>>> erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.
>>>> The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others
>>>> discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then 
>>>> go
>>>> full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was
>>>> happy, we still had the same ladder....
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Alec
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> mob: 07789 561 346
>>>> home: 0118 981 7502
>> -- 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun 17 06:03:17 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:03:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Means to an End
In-Reply-To: <9b45a634-c050-d870-9384-112fa08f91e4@btinternet.com>
References: <VI1P189MB0351A40591D6A4181F832F04A79A0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<9b45a634-c050-d870-9384-112fa08f91e4@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <8EA2E776DC854FABAA307926B80BF5A2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

NB - there's a name to stir a recollection or two. Back in the days when JAS
had finally acquired his private pilot's licence, Norman would allude to the
fact that he too was a pilot. John was clearly sceptical to say the least,
even though Norman wasn't short of a anecdote or two regarding his
experience. Eventually an opportunity arose for the two of them to be on the
airfield together and John offered him the opportunity to take the controls.
Norman waffled and declined. Impossible to know what lay behind it but many
thought that much of what Norman had to say about many things was fantasy
land.

Sad to see though from Barry's post how he succumbed to mesothelioma. I have
lost two friends to the dreadful condition - one was an ex Navy man who had
spent extensive time in an at risk environment, the other a University
lecturer whose only exposure had been a brief period as a presence when
asbestos was being stripped out and it was necessary for someone to be on
campus (though not directly exposed in the work area).

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:35 AM
To: Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Means to an End

No Nick! Kim was NB! I asked someone why he was known as Kim and they
said it was because everybody said 'F**KIM'! DMT was famous by having a
label on the AudioBaton eq. device called a 'DMT Protector' which was in
fact a fuse. Apparently he once got a shock from the case due to a loose
connection inside. He was also famous for having a big argument with
Sound Manager 'A' because he wanted to do his own mix of the sig. tune
for 'War and Peace' which he was working on. As he was in sound group
'B' that was not allowed! I think he won in the end and it was a great
mix. Cheers, Dave

On 17/06/2020 10:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> Remind me Dave, Kim, that was DMT, right? Just back from Evesham to Crew 
> 11, my Damascene moment involved Vic Goodrich, who I didn?t like at first. 
> I thought him to be a bully, demanding everything to be done and redone 
> until he thought it OK. Then one day in ?G? on an Eric Robinson show, he 
> noticed that I?d been sent several times to move a slung C12, exactly as 
> you say. Vic said ?I?d better come and see what you?re doing wrong?, and 
> when we got to the rope, he just kicked it gently a couple of times, 
> saying ?There, that's how to do it!? And that?s all it took to turn a 
> deepening hatred into huge respect!
> Maybe I should add that I counted DMT as one of the people I was most 
> sorry to leave behind when I left the Beeb. You only had to watch him 
> listening to a piece of good music to know where he was coming from. And 
> who knows, maybe the C12 did need a good kicking? And maybe also, he 
> secretly knew that was all it was getting!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 16 Jun 2020, at 21:31, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Jolting the Heron to fool the man on the front that you had actually 
>> moved, as ordered, was very similar to the sound version. I spent a long 
>> time in the grid of a studio (which, being above the lights and in pocket 
>> less overalls, was very hot!) keeping an incompetent Sound Supervisor 
>> happy when he wanted a slung mic. moved one foot this way, or that. As we 
>> all know, that wouldn't make any difference whatsoever, so the technique 
>> was to shake the cable and peace reigned!  The most annoying thing was 
>> that after an overrun and de-rig we got to the club just after closing 
>> time and he hadn't bought anybody a drink! Kim, eat your heart out! 
>> Cheers, Dave
>>
>>>>> On 16/06/2020 20:22, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Ah yes, timber crayon, yellow in early sixties with blue added late 
>>> sixties (plus red at a later date). But this could be washed off when 
>>> set designer decided to have a quick floor paint before TX/TR. Mind you, 
>>> if you'd used camera tape instead of crayon, woe betide you if you 
>>> didn't remove it all during derig.
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>>> On Tuesday, 16 June 2020 14:52, Alec Bray <alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi!
>>>>> On 16/06/2020 14:34, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
>>>>> lines of camera tape on the floor
>>>> Not in my day!  It was a "Ladder" (on the right hand side, marked out
>>>> with big yellow wax crayons.
>>>> This caused a problem with one senior cameraman ... the story told in
>>>> full elsewhere, but briefly, he kept changing camera position when he
>>>> was on the front end of a Heron.  You'd put down a  Ladder, and the 
>>>> next
>>>> minute a beckoning finger would indicate a gnat's to the left or right.
>>>> You would end up with a mess of crayoned ladders (quite difficult to
>>>> erase), and end up not knowing which one was the true one.
>>>> The answer was - and as I have found from this site that others
>>>> discovered this trick as well - to have a foot on the brake, and then 
>>>> go
>>>> full forward on a finger beckon. The Heron lurched, the cameraman was
>>>> happy, we still had the same ladder....
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Alec
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> mob: 07789 561 346
>>>> home: 0118 981 7502
>> -- 
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From Waresound at msn.com  Wed Jun 17 06:05:18 2020
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:05:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Kim
In-Reply-To: <8b8a91c4-8cac-ab3b-6221-38f3ed2c86e1@btinternet.com>
References: <8b8a91c4-8cac-ab3b-6221-38f3ed2c86e1@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035115400D2EB127E91B48B4A79A0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hmmm. Suspicious! I?m not sure why, but Sir Arthur fforde, Chairman of the BBC at the time I joined, was an occasional visitor to our house (vicarage in a sleepy Surrey village), but that never did me any good! Maybe I should have tried blackmail - there must have been something.....!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 11:27, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> ?He passed away a long time ago. I seem to remember that he had a muscular wasting disease and could hardly walk the last time I saw him. There are lots of stories about him! He was promoted twice without attending a board! 'Considered in his absence' was the phrase used! We all thought that he got 'something' on someone high up! His home was in Maidenhead, I believe where his wife had a clothes shop. However, he also had a flat by Ealing Broadway station which he shared with Ella Slack. She was an admin. person in Kensington House and used to stand-in for The Queen during rehearsals for Royal events! He certainly wasn't short of money. He and a friend bought a plot of land near home and built two houses on it. Cheers, Dave
> 

From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jun 17 06:36:47 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 11:36:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Kim - Asbestosis
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03514F1B9D2130589F9435B3A79A0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?I think I probably had a lucky escape from Asbestosis. (I might be about to regurgitate a story I?ve told before, in which case just ignore this silly old git!)
When we moved into our last house 36 years ago, the vendor claimed to be the inventor/originator of off-peak electricity. Every room in the house had a huge 415 Volt three-phase night storage electric heater. At the bottom of each one there was an axial fan that blew dusty-looking warm air out into the room to give a bit of heat boost. We very soon decided that since we had to re -plumb and rewire the whole house anyway, we would install modern gas fired central heating. Dismantling the storage heaters, we found a stack of fire bricks with wire heating elements running through them, and all lavishly enclosed in a sort of asbestos blanket. The element itself was a quarter inch wire coil with asbestos rope running through it. Not knowing any better, we loaded the flakey asbestos by hand into bin bags, and the bricks to this day are flower border edgings.
Sometimes I wonder how I?m still alive!
That?s more than enough of me for one day - I?ll go away now.....
Cheers, N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 17 Jun 2020, at 11:33, Barry Bonner <barrybonner119 at btinternet.com> wrote:

? Norman died from mesothelioma (caused by inhaling asbestos fibres).

After his death several of us were asked by his solicitors to comment on whether he?d come in contact with asbestos in the BBC. Something of course we declined to do.
Barry.



On 17 Jun 2020, at 11:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

He passed away a long time ago. I seem to remember that he had a muscular wasting disease and could hardly walk the last time I saw him. There are lots of stories about him! He was promoted twice without attending a board! 'Considered in his absence' was the phrase used! We all thought that he got 'something' on someone high up! His home was in Maidenhead, I believe where his wife had a clothes shop. However, he also had a flat by Ealing Broadway station which he shared with Ella Slack. She was an admin. person in Kensington House and used to stand-in for The Queen during rehearsals for Royal events! He certainly wasn't short of money. He and a friend bought a plot of land near home and built two houses on it. Cheers, Dave


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 06:46:58 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 12:46:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Kim
In-Reply-To: <8b8a91c4-8cac-ab3b-6221-38f3ed2c86e1@btinternet.com>
References: <8b8a91c4-8cac-ab3b-6221-38f3ed2c86e1@btinternet.com>
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Is he No 26 in Our World?

B


On 17/06/2020 11:27, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> He passed away a long time ago. I seem to remember that he had a 
> muscular wasting disease and could hardly walk the last time I saw 
> him. There are lots of stories about him! He was promoted twice 
> without attending a board! 'Considered in his absence' was the phrase 
> used! We all thought that he got 'something' on someone high up! His 
> home was in Maidenhead, I believe where his wife had a clothes shop. 
> However, he also had a flat by Ealing Broadway station which he shared 
> with Ella Slack. She was an admin. person in Kensington House and used 
> to stand-in for The Queen during rehearsals for Royal events! He 
> certainly wasn't short of money. He and a friend bought a plot of land 
> near home and built two houses on it. Cheers, Dave
>
>

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed Jun 17 09:36:46 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:36:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FaceTime lighting
Message-ID: <94103103-CB82-48EA-B8FF-BC363551D94D@vincent68.plus.com>

As we all now interact via our computer screens we all want to look our best!
Not getting too close that makes our nose too big, keeping the angle high to reduce double chin and being lit by daylight seems to work.
Artificial light seems to confuse the colour correction systems (if any) of devices.
Searching for lights seems to throw up some expensive and dubious solutions!

Any thoughts?

John Vincent





Sent from my iPad


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 10:31:01 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:31:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down
Message-ID: <05070e63-b2fb-2c3c-c2c0-d9ce5d9804dc@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.? It is a real place!

A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the 
Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.

This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.


You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", 
the story.? (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the 
recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)? Here is a 
still from the movie:


The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.? Most of the 
locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in 
Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of the 
landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to the 
time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway with our 
two girls.

The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"?? (why do you turn so pale? no 
phantom power)

The film /Watership Down/ was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.


It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling the 
heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back slowly, 
keeping in the shade.


All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare 
Balding grew up? - and this next view looks across part of the Balding 
estate.

There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is 
used for? horse eventing (Cross Country)? - I have, some years back,? 
jump judged at this course.? The instructions for the jump judging 
included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"


Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.? For those of 
you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along a 
track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the 
Hannington transmitter.

-- 
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Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 10:35:43 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:35:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FaceTime lighting
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I worked quite a bit with 'The Bill' king of using available light - Billy
Minto. Odd, as he started out as a sparks. His crew loved him - not as
much running around. He used white poly sheet to bounce daylight to where
he wanted it.

With us oldies, the softer the light source the better. But you could also
bounce almost anything (desk light etc) off poly. 



In article <94103103-CB82-48EA-B8FF-BC363551D94D at vincent68.plus.com>,
   John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> As we all now interact via our computer screens we all want to look our best!
> Not getting too close that makes our nose too big, keeping the angle high to reduce double chin and being lit by daylight seems to work.
> Artificial light seems to confuse the colour correction systems (if any) of devices.
> Searching for lights seems to throw up some expensive and dubious solutions!

> Any thoughts?

> John Vincent





> Sent from my iPad

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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 17 10:40:49 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:40:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FaceTime lighting
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I've previously mentioned how I got involved with doing some FaceTime interviews for corporate shoots last year, but they wanted good quality results.  The essence of it was that we used FaceTime solely for conducting the interview, but the shots we used were recorded simultaneously on additional iPhones and those files were used in the edit.

The first thing to do is to try and avoid using a laptop plonked on a table. As you say, the camera angle is unflattering and if the screen is close, as well as the big nose effect, there can be quite an unfortunate colour cast on the face - as seen on any number of news interviews.

LED lights are almost ubiquitous now, but they flicker at 50Hz, while the camera is running at a different frame rate, therefore you can often discern strobing effects on faces lit by LEDs.  Incandescent illumination is the easiest way to solve that problem if daylight is not available. Reflectors for daylight can be very effective - a good sized sheet of expanded polystyrene can make a massive improvement. Reflectors and diffusers are also good for artificial light.

You can get pretty cheap external microphones for these sort of purposes and having a tolerably good microphone close to the person speaking will greatly remove the undesirable acoustic that often comes from using the camera mic.

For our remote interviews we sent a parcel to the other office with some simple instructions and some accessories.  Amongst the stuff in the parcel was a professional dynamic microphone and a lightweight stand. A Rode Lightning audio interface for iPhones, a cheap set of small  Lastolite type pop up reflectors and diffusers  ( with instructions explaining how to fold it up and get it back in the box ) and a couple of GU10 incandescent bulbs to put in existing fittings in case the office only had LED bulbs. There was also a printed card to hang on the door saying ( Silence - recording in process", with other versions in different languages because these were international interviews. There was also a small pack of tissues to deal with shiny foreheads. A small battery powered loudspeaker was included too, but we preferred people to use earpieces. And because we are professionals and prepared for any eventuality, we included a roll of gaffer tape and some cable ties.

There were printed instructions and a simple video tutorial explaining how to set stuff up, how to improvise iPhone stands from adjustable lamps and bulldog clips, together with how to get flattering lighting and clear sound. As the people being interviewed were CEOs and such, with very little time to mess around, we always got somebody at their end to set the stuff up and do a trial run with us the day before so that we could spot any potential problems and still have time to resolve problems.  

Typically the setup consisted of an iPad for FaceTime and at least two other iPhones, one of which had the external audio.  The FaceTime iPad pretty well fixed the eyeline and then the other iPhones gave us appropriately composed shots which we knew would work when edited with the other material for the sequence.

It was all quite low cost stuff. The microphone and interface were the most expensive parts at around ?70 each. The set of 60cm reflectors were about ?15 on eBay and everything else was basically odds and sods and you are likely to already have some useful bits.

It's easy enough to set up your device and use it as a camera in order to make a recording and check how the framing and lighting works out.  To anybody working in television, you already know more than enough about the principles of lighting, you just need to apply those principles with cheaper stuff lying around your house.  Daylight illumination is definitely the way to go whenever possible, but a reflector can soften shadows while greaseproof paper taped over a window can soften harsh sunlight.. 

Finally carefully scrutinise the background of your shot, make sure that it's clutter free and not being a distraction.  If a mirror is in the shot, check what might be seen in the mirror.

Alan Taylor  


On 17 Jun 2020, at 17 Jun . 15:36, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> As we all now interact via our computer screens we all want to look our best!
> Not getting too close that makes our nose too big, keeping the angle high to reduce double chin and being lit by daylight seems to work.
> Artificial light seems to confuse the colour correction systems (if any) of devices.
> Searching for lights seems to throw up some expensive and dubious solutions!
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> John Vincent
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jun 17 11:12:41 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:12:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down
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I used to live at Wash Common near Newbury, so that area is well known to me. 

Beacon Hill is quite a climb, but you get astonishing views from up there and there are any number of lovely walks on Watership Down.  I don't know if it's still the same, but there used to be a massive Christmas tree farm at Hannington where they would bring over seasonal labour from Sark in the Channel Islands. Loads of people would leave Sark in October and stay over for a couple of months harvesting the trees.

Andrew Lloyd Webber owns much of the land around Watership Down and has a lovely house there too. I don't much like the bloke, but I heartily applaud the way that he's conserving the countryside around there. Then there is Lord Porchester, who trained the Queen's horses and is sometimes gossiped about in scandalous terms.

Very near there in Whitway is the Carnarvon Arms, a lovely country pub which has severely dented my credit card over the years.  It used to be owned by the film producer Simon Channing Williams.  He also owned the Five Bells, the other side of Newbury. Simon's wife Shirley Channing Williams was a BBC make up artist. The Carnarvon Arms  now owned by a group called Prospect Pubs and their managing director is my neighbour.

Alan Taylor




On 17 Jun 2020, at 17 Jun . 16:31, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.  It is a real place!
> 
> A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.
> This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.
> <lpjcpldapdjkkibk.png>
> 
> 
> You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", the story.  (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)  Here is a still from the movie:
> 
> 
> <ibhmjhconpndbipj.png>
> 
> The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.  Most of the locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of the landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to the time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway with our two girls.
> 
> The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"   (why do you turn so pale? no phantom power)
> The film Watership Down was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.
> 
> 
> It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling the heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back slowly, keeping in the shade.
> <eiedjndjmnnpjfje.png>
> 
> 
> All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare Balding grew up  - and this next view looks across part of the Balding estate.
> 
> <npffhbjcnagfcgfc.png>
> 
> There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is used for  horse eventing (Cross Country)  - I have, some years back,  jump judged at this course.  The instructions for the jump judging included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"
> 
> Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.  For those of you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along a track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the Hannington transmitter.
> 
> <ademhhlbndbppfio.png>
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 11:48:16 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 17:48:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FaceTime lighting
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Not sure what Facetime is, but I know quite a bit about Zoom now, not 
having heard of it before March.? We run enough meetings here now that 
it's worth spending ?14.35 a month for the pro version - though like 
most of the rest of the world we'll stop in about September. Don't buy 
Zoom shares!

The Anglepoise here, pointed away, seems to fine, and my face conscious 
wife is happy with it too. We do seem to spend a lot of time looking up 
people's noses, so the camera here is attached to the top of the 
monitor. When we use the laptop it sits on top of a 1980s Trivial 
Pursuit box that we haven't quite got round to.

B



On 17/06/2020 15:36, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote:
> As we all now interact via our computer screens we all want to look our best!
> Not getting too close that makes our nose too big, keeping the angle high to reduce double chin and being lit by daylight seems to work.
> Artificial light seems to confuse the colour correction systems (if any) of devices.
> Searching for lights seems to throw up some expensive and dubious solutions!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> John Vincent
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Wed Jun 17 12:22:29 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 18:22:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FaceTime lighting
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You look a bit scary Berni!
Boris Karloff lighting.
FaceTime is a Mac thing!
Sorry

John V

Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 17:48, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Not sure what Facetime is, but I know quite a bit about Zoom now, not having heard of it before March.  We run enough meetings here now that it's worth spending ?14.35 a month for the pro version - though like most of the rest of the world we'll stop in about September. Don't buy Zoom shares!
> 
> The Anglepoise here, pointed away, seems to fine, and my face conscious wife is happy with it too. We do seem to spend a lot of time looking up people's noses, so the camera here is attached to the top of the monitor. When we use the laptop it sits on top of a 1980s Trivial Pursuit box that we haven't quite got round to.
> 
> B
> 
> <heolcnneedhgpina.png> 
> 
>> On 17/06/2020 15:36, John Vincent via Tech1 wrote:
>> As we all now interact via our computer screens we all want to look our best!
>> Not getting too close that makes our nose too big, keeping the angle high to reduce double chin and being lit by daylight seems to work.
>> Artificial light seems to confuse the colour correction systems (if any) of devices.
>> Searching for lights seems to throw up some expensive and dubious solutions!
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> John Vincent
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 15:48:52 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:48:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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Singing very tunefully at the top of a tree in the twilight -



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From davidpcarter at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 16:00:11 2020
From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter at btinternet.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:00:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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Try Birdnet app   https://bit.ly/2ABLKKn <https://bit.ly/2ABLKKn>

David

------ Original Message ------
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To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, 17 Jun, 2020 At 21:48
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      Singing very tunefully at       the top of a tree in the twilight 
-



        Any suggestions?

        B
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jun 17 16:02:55 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:02:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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Could be a Thrush

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:00, davidpcarter--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Try Birdnet app  https://bit.ly/2ABLKKn
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: Wednesday, 17 Jun, 2020 At 21:48
> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
> 
>      Singing very tunefully at       the top of a tree in the twilight - 
>        
>         <bfkmchgnaloaoiko.png>
>        
>        Any suggestions?
>        
>        B
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From colinhazelwood at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 17 16:17:12 2020
From: colinhazelwood at btinternet.com (Colin Hazelwood)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:17:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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Or maybe a nightingale. 
Colin H. 

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Could be a Thrush
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:00, davidpcarter--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Try Birdnet app  https://bit.ly/2ABLKKn
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 Jun, 2020 At 21:48
>> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>> 
>>     Singing very tunefully at       the top of a tree in the twilight - 
>> 
>>        <bfkmchgnaloaoiko.png>
>> 
>>       Any suggestions?
>> 
>>       B
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Wed Jun 17 16:29:52 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:29:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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Knowing a bit about the song would help. Thrush has repeating song. Blackbird is very tuneful, but less repetitious. How big was it? There's no scale in your pic, but silhouette looks blackbird like.JohnSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 17/06/2020  21:48  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request 
    Singing very tunefully at
      the top of a tree in the twilight - 
      
      ?
      
      Any suggestions?
      
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun 17 16:34:13 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:34:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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If it was very tuneful it's more likely a Blackbird than a Song Thrush. A 
Song Thrush sings with a series of repeated phrases whereas a Blackbird is 
altogether more beautiful. A Mistle Thrush sings as if it skipped music 
lessons.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: Colin Hazelwood via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 10:17 PM
To: Graeme Wall
Cc: david at magnacarter.net ; Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twitcher request

Or maybe a nightingale.
Colin H.

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?Could be a Thrush
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:00, davidpcarter--- via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Try Birdnet app  https://bit.ly/2ABLKKn
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Bernard Newnham via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 Jun, 2020 At 21:48
>> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>>
>>     Singing very tunefully at       the top of a tree in the twilight -
>>
>>        <bfkmchgnaloaoiko.png>
>>
>>       Any suggestions?
>>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jun 17 16:37:12 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:37:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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If it was very tuneful it's more likely a Blackbird than a Song Thrush. A
Song Thrush sings with a series of repeated phrases whereas a Blackbird is
altogether more beautiful. A Mistle Thrush sings as if it skipped music
lessons.

Dave Newbitt

-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
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To: david at magnacarter.net
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Could be a Thrush

?
Graeme Wall


> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:00, davidpcarter--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> Try Birdnet app  https://bit.ly/2ABLKKn
>
> David
>
>
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> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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>      Singing very tunefully at       the top of a tree in the twilight -
>
>         <bfkmchgnaloaoiko.png>
>
>        Any suggestions?
>
>        B
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 16:39:37 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 22:39:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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Probably worth recording the song next time it sings.

Mike G

> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:02, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Could be a Thrush
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 17 Jun 2020, at 22:00, davidpcarter--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Try Birdnet app  https://bit.ly/2ABLKKn
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------ Original Message ------
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>> To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 17 Jun, 2020 At 21:48
>> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>> 
>>     Singing very tunefully at       the top of a tree in the twilight - 
>> 
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>> 
>>       Any suggestions?
>> 
>>       B
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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jun 17 17:05:37 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 23:05:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
In-Reply-To: <5ee79426.1c69fb81.edc22.51ee@mx.google.com>
References: <5B5D1F5C-A075-4F50-A089-436A0A0D2083@gmail.com>
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Is number 31 Martin Kisner?

Mike G


> On 15 Jun 2020, at 16:30, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I think #2 might be John Lopes.
> He moved into production, so looks likely.
> He came to my 21st, some *** years ago, and made quite a hit with a female cousin of mine!
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 15 June 2020 11:53
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Our World...yet again
>  
> Ok, here's a numbered version .
> 
>  Some that haven't had a mention yet, I think - 
> 
> 8 Jim Stevens
> 18 Al Kerridge (maybe)
> 31 Doug Watson
> 40 Mitch
> 50 Darrol Blake
> 53 Norman Taylor 
> 54 Bob Wright
> 
> Did they take TC2 cameras into TC1?
> 
> Pity no one has a better quality version, though it must exist
> 
> B
> 
> 
>  
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 04:28:44 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:28:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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My first thought was that it was a blackbird, though not being a 
birdwatcher, the only appropriate reference I had was this - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I

We have lots of blackbirds, but they seem to be ground huggers, and this 
one was at the top of a tall tree. As you can see, it was silhouetted 
against the sunset, with no size reference. I've now downloaded the bird 
recognition app, and will give it a go if the bird feels like doing the 
same again.

thanks to all

B



On 17/06/2020 22:29, jpn wrote:
> Knowing a bit about the song would help. Thrush has repeating song. 
> Blackbird is very tuneful, but less repetitious. How big was it? 
> There's no scale in your pic, but silhouette looks blackbird like.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Date: 17/06/2020 21:48 (GMT+00:00)
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>
> Singing very tunefully at the top of a tree in the twilight -
>
>
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> B

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 04:44:13 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:44:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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Very likely a blackbird - though they feed on the ground and swoop 
downwards in front of cars, they do always sing their hearts out from 
the tops of trees most evenings.

They even get confused with the (related) nightingale, because sing so 
long into the twilight on early summer evenings.

Song thrushes are a fair bit smaller, though very fine singers: mistle 
thrushes are a tad bigger, but tend to be shouters;}

Chris Woolf



On 18/06/2020 10:28, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> My first thought was that it was a blackbird, though not being a 
> birdwatcher, the only appropriate reference I had was this - 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I
>
> We have lots of blackbirds, but they seem to be ground huggers, and 
> this one was at the top of a tall tree. As you can see, it was 
> silhouetted against the sunset, with no size reference. I've now 
> downloaded the bird recognition app, and will give it a go if the bird 
> feels like doing the same again.
>
> thanks to all
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 17/06/2020 22:29, jpn wrote:
>> Knowing a bit about the song would help. Thrush has repeating song. 
>> Blackbird is very tuneful, but less repetitious. How big was it? 
>> There's no scale in your pic, but silhouette looks blackbird like.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Date: 17/06/2020 21:48 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>>
>> Singing very tunefully at the top of a tree in the twilight -
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> B
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 04:47:48 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:47:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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You might have done better with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EB1lgjg9e4Y

Blackbirds will often sit in tree tops to sing.

or song thrush:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G53oH-MI9qU

John

On 18/06/2020 10:28, Bernard Newnham wrote:
> My first thought was that it was a blackbird, though not being a 
> birdwatcher, the only appropriate reference I had was this - 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I
> 
> We have lots of blackbirds, but they seem to be ground huggers, and this 
> one was at the top of a tall tree. As you can see, it was silhouetted 
> against the sunset, with no size reference. I've now downloaded the bird 
> recognition app, and will give it a go if the bird feels like doing the 
> same again.
> 
> thanks to all
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 17/06/2020 22:29, jpn wrote:
>> Knowing a bit about the song would help. Thrush has repeating song. 
>> Blackbird is very tuneful, but less repetitious. How big was it? 
>> There's no scale in your pic, but silhouette looks blackbird like.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> Date: 17/06/2020 21:48 (GMT+00:00)
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>>
>> Singing very tunefully at the top of a tree in the twilight -
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> B
> 



From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jun 18 04:57:17 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:57:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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I think you can safely stick with your Blackbird. As I said in my post last night, if it was a really nice melodious song then it makes Blackbird much more a candidate than a Song Thrush. Although they spend much time on the ground because of their feeding habits they like a much higher vantage point for singing, often from high in a tree.
Since my post several members have said much the same thing. Like many birds, the song quality varies from one individual to another and the best of them indeed are not far behind a Nightingale. The silhouette and location preclude Nightingale which I think someone tentatively suggested. They will sing right into the night and also out of season. I once heard one at midnight on a Christmas Eve in the centre of Taunton which was absolutely beautiful.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:28 AM
To: jpn ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Twitcher request

My first thought was that it was a blackbird, though not being a birdwatcher, the only appropriate reference I had was this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I

We have lots of blackbirds, but they seem to be ground huggers, and this one was at the top of a tall tree. As you can see, it was silhouetted against the sunset, with no size reference. I've now downloaded the bird recognition app, and will give it a go if the bird feels like doing the same again.

thanks to all

B

 


On 17/06/2020 22:29, jpn wrote:

  Knowing a bit about the song would help. Thrush has repeating song. Blackbird is very tuneful, but less repetitious. How big was it? There's no scale in your pic, but silhouette looks blackbird like.

  John



  Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


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  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
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  Singing very tunefully at the top of a tree in the twilight - 

   

  Any suggestions?

  B





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From: apts at apts.org.uk (Alexandra Palace Television Society)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:42:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.

 

It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99th Birthday.? Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.? Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud orchestras dear?!? 

 

Her first appearance on television was on 13th April 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra.? She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.? She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.? Her first appearance was on 21st May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.? Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.

 

Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? and ?Please Be Kind?.? Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless.? 

 

 

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 06:21:16 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:21:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels 
tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant 
day in TC1.

B



On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame 
> Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.
>
> It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her 
> home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99^th Birthday.? Over 
> tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 
> 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.? Sadly 
> she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud 
> orchestras dear?!
>
> Her first appearance on television was on 13^th April 1938, with 
> Ambrose and his Orchestra.? She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and 
> Max Bacon.? She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking 
> up 14 performances over 12 months.? Her first appearance was on 21^st 
> May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn 
> Dall and Max Bacon.? Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as 
> part of The Ambrose Quartet.
>
> Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 
> as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? 
> and ?Please Be Kind?.? Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the 
> Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless.
>
> Simon Vaughan
>
> Archivist
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Jun 18 06:27:20 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:27:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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I did some of those with Ian Gibb on the mole In the TVT. Might have been the second series.

Graeme Wall

> On 18 Jun 2020, at 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant day in TC1.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.
>>  
>> It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99th Birthday.  Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.  Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud orchestras dear?! 
>>  
>> Her first appearance on television was on 13th April 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra.  She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.  Her first appearance was on 21st May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.
>>  
>> Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? and ?Please Be Kind?.  Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless. 
>>  
>>  
>> Simon Vaughan
>> Archivist
>> for and on behalf of
>> Alexandra Palace Television Society
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Tel:       +44 (0) 1332 729358
>> Mob:     +44 (0) 7791 780882
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>>  
>> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.  If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager: postmaster at apts.org.uk
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Jun 18 08:13:02 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:13:02 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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I'd go for blackbird too. There are quite a few round here, and they all sing from on high, the most local one either on top of our chimney, or on the telegraph pole beside the house. I've heard three of them 'talking/singing' to each other, one tweets, and you can hear the reply in the distance and occasionally an even more distant answer. Utterly fascinating. And whilst I think about it, about a month ago blackbird was well upset when he perched atop of a nearby tree, began singing, and a chaffinch started screeching noisily to drive him off! He went after another couple of attempts, at which point the chaffinch shut up (must call him Eccles). This was mid afternoon, should the time have any bearing on things, but I've recently heard blackbird singing till at least 2200.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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??????? Original Message ???????
On Thursday, 18 June 2020 10:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Very likely a blackbird - though they feed on the ground and swoop downwards in front of cars, they do always sing their hearts out from the tops of trees most evenings.
>
> They even get confused with the (related) nightingale, because sing so long into the twilight on early summer evenings.
>
> Song thrushes are a fair bit smaller, though very fine singers: mistle thrushes are a tad bigger, but tend to be shouters;}
>
> Chris Woolf
>
> On 18/06/2020 10:28, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> My first thought was that it was a blackbird, though not being a birdwatcher, the only appropriate reference I had was this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I
>>
>> We have lots of blackbirds, but they seem to be ground huggers, and this one was at the top of a tall tree. As you can see, it was silhouetted against the sunset, with no size reference. I've now downloaded the bird recognition app, and will give it a go if the bird feels like doing the same again.
>>
>> thanks to all
>>
>> B
>>
>> On 17/06/2020 22:29, jpn wrote:
>>
>>> Knowing a bit about the song would help. Thrush has repeating song. Blackbird is very tuneful, but less repetitious. How big was it? There's no scale in your pic, but silhouette looks blackbird like.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 [<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>](mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk)
>>> Date: 17/06/2020 21:48 (GMT+00:00)
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>>>
>>> Singing very tunefully at the top of a tree in the twilight -
>>>
>>> Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> B
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Thu Jun 18 08:20:49 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:20:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
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We?ve got a family of parakeets round our way.

Bloody racket they make!

John Vincent

Sent from my iPad

> On 18 Jun 2020, at 14:13, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I'd go for blackbird too. There are quite a few round here, and they all sing from on high, the most local one either on top of our chimney, or on the telegraph pole beside the house. I've heard three of them 'talking/singing' to each other, one tweets, and you can hear the reply in the distance and occasionally an even more distant answer. Utterly fascinating. And whilst I think about it, about a month ago blackbird was well upset when he perched atop of a nearby tree, began singing, and a chaffinch started screeching noisily to drive him off! He went after another couple of attempts, at which point the chaffinch shut up (must call him Eccles). This was mid afternoon, should the time have any bearing on things, but I've recently heard blackbird singing till at least 2200.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
> 
> ??????? Original Message ???????
>> On Thursday, 18 June 2020 10:44, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Very likely a blackbird - though they feed on the ground and swoop downwards in front of cars, they do always sing their hearts out from the tops of trees most evenings.
>> 
>> They even get confused with the (related) nightingale, because sing so long into the twilight on early summer evenings.
>> 
>> Song thrushes are a fair bit smaller, though very fine singers: mistle thrushes are a tad bigger, but tend to be shouters;}
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 18/06/2020 10:28, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> My first thought was that it was a blackbird, though not being a birdwatcher, the only appropriate reference I had was this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDxfjUEBT9I
>>> 
>>> We have lots of blackbirds, but they seem to be ground huggers, and this one was at the top of a tall tree. As you can see, it was silhouetted against the sunset, with no size reference. I've now downloaded the bird recognition app, and will give it a go if the bird feels like doing the same again.
>>> 
>>> thanks to all
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 17/06/2020 22:29, jpn wrote:
>>>> Knowing a bit about the song would help. Thrush has repeating song. Blackbird is very tuneful, but less repetitious. How big was it? There's no scale in your pic, but silhouette looks blackbird like.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> Date: 17/06/2020 21:48 (GMT+00:00)
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: [Tech1] Twitcher request
>>>> 
>>>> Singing very tunefully at the top of a tree in the twilight - 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Any suggestions?
>>>> 
>>>> B
>>> 
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 08:52:33 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:52:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
Date: 	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:20:01 +0100
From: 	Tim Humphries <timhum001 at gmail.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



I worked on the Vera Lynn show at the TV Theatre in Shepherds Bush in 
the early '70's. I was the most junior member of the sound crew and so 
was operating the foldback speaker. In those days The Young Generation 
dance troupe were on nearly every LE show and this was no exception. 
Whilst they were doing their piece Vera was standing next to me and 
whilst they were dancing she confided to me that she was not a dancer 
and wished she could dance like them. I was 20 years old at the time and 
was astounded that the star of the show would even consider talking to 
me let alone sharing her feelings about what she wished she could do. I 
was delighted that she spoke to me at the time and after working with 
dozens of TV stars in my career, never had another one start a 
conversation with me in that manner. She was a truly magnificent person, 
a war hero and certainly deserved to live a long and happy life. I am 
sure she will rest in peace.

On 18/06/2020 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard 
> Michaels tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A 
> pleasant day in TC1.
>
> B
>
>
>
> On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of 
>> Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.
>>
>> It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her 
>> home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99^th Birthday.? 
>> Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in 
>> August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.? 
>> Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with 
>> loud orchestras dear?!
>>
>> Her first appearance on television was on 13^th April 1938, with 
>> Ambrose and his Orchestra.? She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and 
>> Max Bacon.? She became quite a regular on pre-war television, 
>> clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.? Her first appearance was 
>> on 21^st May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing 
>> alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.? Her last pre-war appearance was 
>> in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.
>>
>> Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 
>> as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? 
>> and ?Please Be Kind?.? Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the 
>> Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance 
>> nonetheless.
>>
>> Simon Vaughan
>>
>> Archivist
>>
>> for and on behalf of
>>
>> Alexandra Palace Television Society
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> Tel: +44 (0) 1332 729358
>>
>> Mob: ? +44 (0) 7791 780882
>>
>> E-mail: apts at apts.org.uk 
>> <applewebdata://9EC021DE-689D-4FEE-BB87-57500B1D581B/apts at apts.org.uk>
>>
>> Web: www.apts.org.uk 
>> <applewebdata://9EC021DE-689D-4FEE-BB87-57500B1D581B/www.apts.org.uk>
>>
>> www.youtube.com/aptsarchive 
>> <applewebdata://9EC021DE-689D-4FEE-BB87-57500B1D581B/www.youtube.com/aptsarchive>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> The Alexandra Palace Television Society is a not-for-profit 
>> organisation, dedicated to preserving for present and future 
>> generations, the oral and written history of the pioneers who 
>> inaugurated the world's first regular public high-definition 
>> television service from Alexandra Palace, north London, in 1936.
>>
>> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 09:04:09 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:04:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down
Message-ID: <004801d64579$59744600$0c5cd200$@gmail.com>

Nice pictures Alec, I particularly liked the one second from bottom where you have included lots of sky with clouds. It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line. I usually think in thirds rather than a fifty-fifty split but yours works well. Skies are important and Constable is said to have painted one every day.

I hope Chester is enjoying lots of sniffs on your country walks. I?ve not taken my daughter?s dog, Summer out since lockdown but she?s been bringing her here so she can have a run in our orchard and I can see her. She loves chasing after a ball when I fling it for her and can find it even if it lands out of sight. She brings it back to show me proudly that she has it, but won?t drop it till I offer her another one that she prefers and will leap high in the air to try and grab it off me.

As John said, dogs are good for you mental health and Summer cheers me up no end. I hope his old Joey is enjoying life too,

 

 

 

Geoff

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 17 June 2020 16:31
To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down

 

Hi everyone,

Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.  It is a real place!

A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.

This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.



 

You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", the story.  (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)  Here is a still from the movie:

 



The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.  Most of the locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of the landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to the time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway with our two girls.

The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"   (why do you turn so pale? no phantom power)

The film Watership Down was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.

 

It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling the heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back slowly, keeping in the shade.



 

All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare Balding grew up  - and this next view looks across part of the Balding estate.



There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is used for  horse eventing (Cross Country)  - I have, some years back,  jump judged at this course.  The instructions for the jump judging included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"

 

Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.  For those of you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along a track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the Hannington transmitter.



-- 
Best Regards
 
Alec
 
Alec Bray
 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jun 18 09:19:43 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:19:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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Thoroughly endorse the sentiments expressed here. I too worked on the 1971 series, usually as the boom op. My notes show dates at fortnightly intervals on a Sunday/Monday schedule beginning mid February. Hugh Barker sound mixed ? what a really nice bunch of people. I have some NAB spools with bits and pieces somewhere. My father was in the RAF in the war and was billeted for a time at Ditchling before heading off to North Africa. I took him back there for a nostalgia visit sometime in the 1970?s but didn?t know at the time that Vera lived there. Mum and Dad worshipped her and would have been tickled pink.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:52 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Memories of Dame Vera Lynn




-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:  Re: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn 
      Date:  Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:20:01 +0100 
      From:  Tim Humphries mailto:timhum001 at gmail.com 
      To:  Bernard Newnham mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com 



I worked on the Vera Lynn show at the TV Theatre in Shepherds Bush in the early '70's. I was the most junior member of the sound crew and so was operating the foldback speaker. In those days The Young Generation dance troupe were on nearly every LE show and this was no exception. Whilst they were doing their piece Vera was standing next to me and whilst they were dancing she confided to me that she was not a dancer and wished she could dance like them. I was 20 years old at the time and was astounded that the star of the show would even consider talking to me let alone sharing her feelings about what she wished she could do. I was delighted that she spoke to me at the time and after working with dozens of TV stars in my career, never had another one start a conversation with me in that manner. She was a truly magnificent person, a war hero and certainly deserved to live a long and happy life. I am sure she will rest in peace.


On 18/06/2020 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

  I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant day in TC1.

  B




  On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:

    I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.

     

    It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99th Birthday.  Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.  Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud orchestras dear?!  

     

    Her first appearance on television was on 13th April 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra.  She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.  Her first appearance was on 21st May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.

     

    Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? and ?Please Be Kind?.  Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless.  

     

     

    Simon Vaughan

    Archivist

    for and on behalf of

    Alexandra Palace Television Society

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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    The Alexandra Palace Television Society is a not-for-profit organisation, dedicated to preserving for present and future generations, the oral and written history of the pioneers who inaugurated the world's first regular public high-definition television service from Alexandra Palace, north London, in 1936.

     

    This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.  If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager: postmaster at apts.org.uk

     

     

     

     


     


   


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 18 09:39:01 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:39:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Seniors (i.e. US)!
Message-ID: <b7394508-5568-466d-b113-2900a38debe8@btinternet.com>

Gotta lovetheseniors

During a visit to my doctor, I asked him, "How do you determine 
whetheror not an older person should be put in an old folk's home?"
"Well," he said, "we fill up a bathtub, then we offer a teaspoon, a 
teacupand a bucket to the person to empty the bathtub."
"Oh, I understand," I said. "A normal person would use the bucket 
becauseit is bigger than the spoon or the teacup.."
"No" he said. "A normal person would pull the plug. Would you prefer a 
bednear a window?"

ARE YOU GOING TO PASS THIS ON .
OR DO YOU WANT THE BED NEXT TO MINE? :


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 10:19:45 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:19:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Forwarded
Message-ID: <738e6511-58bb-dcff-90a7-e48e7e12bea9@gmail.com>

To:
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk


Does ANYONE know how to get a proper human being on the phone re applying for free to license (even for a couple of months - all I can get is a recorded message that then says it can?t deal with my application and to go to a website that also doesn?t work!

We also don?t have an old tv license as we have only just moved back to UK after 20 years in Spain!!!  Any help would be greatly appreciated - Janis and Peter Goldring

Sent from my iPad

Subject:
Tv license
From:
Janis Goldring <jan.goldring at icloud.com>
Date:
18/06/2020, 16:15

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 18 10:36:16 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:36:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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Hi Dave et al,
	I also had the great pleasure of working with Vera Lynn in 1969 along with Hugh Barker 1st. & 2nd. November in TC8 with crew 19 & also 8th. & 9th. November in TC6.  

	Fond memories with lovely lady and a great team. I wonder if the BBC kept any of these.
Barry.



On 18 Jun 2020, at 15:19, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Thoroughly endorse the sentiments expressed here. I too worked on the 1971 series, usually as the boom op. My notes show dates at fortnightly intervals on a Sunday/Monday schedule beginning mid February. Hugh Barker sound mixed ? what a really nice bunch of people. I have some NAB spools with bits and pieces somewhere. My father was in the RAF in the war and was billeted for a time at Ditchling before heading off to North Africa. I took him back there for a nostalgia visit sometime in the 1970?s but didn?t know at the time that Vera lived there. Mum and Dad worshipped her and would have been tickled pink.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:52 PM
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
>  
>  
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Re: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
> Date:	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:20:01 +0100
> From:	Tim Humphries mailto:timhum001 at gmail.com
> To:	Bernard Newnham mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> I worked on the Vera Lynn show at the TV Theatre in Shepherds Bush in the early '70's. I was the most junior member of the sound crew and so was operating the foldback speaker. In those days The Young Generation dance troupe were on nearly every LE show and this was no exception. Whilst they were doing their piece Vera was standing next to me and whilst they were dancing she confided to me that she was not a dancer and wished she could dance like them. I was 20 years old at the time and was astounded that the star of the show would even consider talking to me let alone sharing her feelings about what she wished she could do. I was delighted that she spoke to me at the time and after working with dozens of TV stars in my career, never had another one start a conversation with me in that manner. She was a truly magnificent person, a war hero and certainly deserved to live a long and happy life. I am sure she will rest in peace.
> 
> On 18/06/2020 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant day in TC1.
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.
>>>  
>>> It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99th Birthday.  Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.  Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud orchestras dear?! 
>>>  
>>> Her first appearance on television was on 13th April 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra.  She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.  Her first appearance was on 21st May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.
>>>  
>>> Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? and ?Please Be Kind?.  Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless. 
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Simon Vaughan
>>> Archivist
>>> for and on behalf of
>>> Alexandra Palace Television Society
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Tel:       +44 (0) 1332 729358
>>> Mob:     +44 (0) 7791 780882
>>> E-mail:  apts at apts.org.uk
>>> Web:     www.apts.org.uk
>>>                www.youtube.com/aptsarchive
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> The Alexandra Palace Television Society is a not-for-profit organisation, dedicated to preserving for present and future generations, the oral and written history of the pioneers who inaugurated the world's first regular public high-definition television service from Alexandra Palace, north London, in 1936.
>>>  
>>> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.  If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager: postmaster at apts.org.uk
>>>  
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jun 18 10:45:17 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:45:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Forwarded
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?I did this online a few weeks ago and was surprised to find a full refund for the current year, made directly within a couple of days to my direct debit payment method.
I have to say I had mixed feelings about doing this as I think on the whole the BBC gives me good value and I?d hate to be without it.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 18 Jun 2020, at 16:20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
To:
tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>


Does ANYONE know how to get a proper human being on the phone re applying for free to license (even for a couple of months - all I can get is a recorded message that then says it can?t deal with my application and to go to a website that also doesn?t work!

We also don?t have an old tv license as we have only just moved back to UK after 20 years in Spain!!!  Any help would be greatly appreciated - Janis and Peter Goldring

Sent from my iPad


Subject:
Tv license
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Date:
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Jun 18 10:43:49 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:43:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
In-Reply-To: <840E3ECE93FB40D9BC53071A6AA50E9E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <689a12a1-43f6-ad58-2057-dc40e071453f@gmail.com>
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	<840E3ECE93FB40D9BC53071A6AA50E9E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Yes - I remember working on the Vera Lynn show and that she was very nice
indeed - not of a trace of the deva about her. Didn't much take to her
husband/manager Harry though, who derided her just out of earshot. And I
got the impression bullied her.

Ditchling must have been a bit of a showbiz hotspot. Donald Sinden lived
there too. Remember dubbing a short he'd made about the history as a sort
of homer. Think to raise money for the church. Happy days.       


In article <840E3ECE93FB40D9BC53071A6AA50E9E at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>,
   David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Thoroughly endorse the sentiments expressed here. I too worked on the 1971 series, usually as the boom op. My notes show dates at fortnightly intervals on a Sunday/Monday schedule beginning mid February. Hugh Barker sound mixed ? what a really nice bunch of people. I have some NAB spools with bits and pieces somewhere. My father was in the RAF in the war and was billeted for a time at Ditchling before heading off to North Africa. I took him back there for a nostalgia visit sometime in the 1970?s but didn?t know at the time that Vera lived there. Mum and Dad worshipped her and would have been tickled pink.

-- 
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 10:54:38 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 16:54:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Forwarded
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I have tried this link

https://www.gov.uk/free-discount-tv-licence

 

and it works passed the point of not entering a current licence (I can not complete without real info any further).

 

Is this the route being tried?

(Application needed  by the end of next month as it is then (likely) no free licence unless on relevant benefits?)

*	Not sure there are humans at the moment!

 

Paul

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 18 June 2020 16:20
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Forwarded

 


To: 

tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 

 

Does ANYONE know how to get a proper human being on the phone re applying for free to license (even for a couple of months - all I can get is a recorded message that then says it can?t deal with my application and to go to a website that also doesn?t work!  
 
We also don?t have an old tv license as we have only just moved back to UK after 20 years in Spain!!!  Any help would be greatly appreciated - Janis and Peter Goldring
 
Sent from my iPad


Subject: 

Tv license


From: 

Janis Goldring  <mailto:jan.goldring at icloud.com> <jan.goldring at icloud.com>


Date: 

18/06/2020, 16:15

 

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 11:03:33 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:03:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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References: <689a12a1-43f6-ad58-2057-dc40e071453f@gmail.com><b756e149-5341-bc78-3e73-3c2b04dfc269@gmail.com><840E3ECE93FB40D9BC53071A6AA50E9E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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One out of the six missing from 1969, but it featured Rolf so no great loss.
One out of five missing from the 1971 run. Featured Harry Secombe.
All six of the 1971/2 season missing, and two one-offs later in 1972.

A 1973 and 1977 special survive. And six episodes of 1974.

Plus various other guest appearance on other shows survive.



From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:36 PM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Memories of Dame Vera Lynn

Hi Dave et al, 
I also had the great pleasure of working with Vera Lynn in 1969 along with Hugh Barker 1st. & 2nd. November in TC8 with crew 19 & also 8th. & 9th. November in TC6.  

Fond memories with lovely lady and a great team. I wonder if the BBC kept any of these.

Barry.




On 18 Jun 2020, at 15:19, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  Thoroughly endorse the sentiments expressed here. I too worked on the 1971 series, usually as the boom op. My notes show dates at fortnightly intervals on a Sunday/Monday schedule beginning mid February. Hugh Barker sound mixed ? what a really nice bunch of people. I have some NAB spools with bits and pieces somewhere. My father was in the RAF in the war and was billeted for a time at Ditchling before heading off to North Africa. I took him back there for a nostalgia visit sometime in the 1970?s but didn?t know at the time that Vera lived there. Mum and Dad worshipped her and would have been tickled pink.

  Dave Newbitt.

  From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
  Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:52 PM
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Memories of Dame Vera Lynn




  -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn 
        Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:20:01 +0100 
        From: Tim Humphries mailto:timhum001 at gmail.com 
        To: Bernard Newnham mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com 



  I worked on the Vera Lynn show at the TV Theatre in Shepherds Bush in the early '70's. I was the most junior member of the sound crew and so was operating the foldback speaker. In those days The Young Generation dance troupe were on nearly every LE show and this was no exception. Whilst they were doing their piece Vera was standing next to me and whilst they were dancing she confided to me that she was not a dancer and wished she could dance like them. I was 20 years old at the time and was astounded that the star of the show would even consider talking to me let alone sharing her feelings about what she wished she could do. I was delighted that she spoke to me at the time and after working with dozens of TV stars in my career, never had another one start a conversation with me in that manner. She was a truly magnificent person, a war hero and certainly deserved to live a long and happy life. I am sure she will rest in peace.


  On 18/06/2020 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:

    I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant day in TC1.

    B




    On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:

      I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.
       
      It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99th Birthday.  Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.  Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud orchestras dear?! 
       
      Her first appearance on television was on 13th April 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra.  She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.  Her first appearance was on 21st May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.
       
      Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? and ?Please Be Kind?.  Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless. 
       
       
      Simon Vaughan
      Archivist
      for and on behalf of
      Alexandra Palace Television Society
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      Tel:       +44 (0) 1332 729358
      Mob:     +44 (0) 7791 780882
      E-mail:  apts at apts.org.uk
      Web:     www.apts.org.uk
                     www.youtube.com/aptsarchive
      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      The Alexandra Palace Television Society is a not-for-profit organisation, dedicated to preserving for present and future generations, the oral and written history of the pioneers who inaugurated the world's first regular public high-definition television service from Alexandra Palace, north London, in 1936.
       
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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Thu Jun 18 11:12:58 2020
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:12:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV License
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAADk6YANaCwxHphlgWkrbIowBAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>

Hi Janis and Peter

 

Go to this URL
https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/cs/pay-for-your-tv-licence/index.app

 

Click on new license then follow instructions.

 

Good Luck

 

 

Best Regards

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jun 18 11:33:20 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 17:33:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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	<840E3ECE93FB40D9BC53071A6AA50E9E@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Message-ID: <008C992D-567D-4C27-8E45-C46A327E383D@me.com>

Three or four years ago I did a charity shoot at her house.  The production team got stuck in traffic, so myself and the cameraman spent a good half hour chatting with her and her daughter before they arrived.

During the conversation, she mentioned Thora Hird and I told her that I was once slightly shocked while preparing to record a Songs of Praise interview with Dame Thora when she mischievously pinched my bum.  Vera chuckled and said that was so much like Dora. She then told a couple of lovely stories about Thora and we both agreed that it?s lovely when ladies of a certain age still have a sense of fun.  

When it came to the derig, we were all shaking hands and as I turned away, Dame Vera pinched my bum.  I turned round and she said ?Dame?s perks?.

Alan Taylor




On 18 Jun 2020, at 18 Jun . 16:36, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Dave et al,
> 	I also had the great pleasure of working with Vera Lynn in 1969 along with Hugh Barker 1st. & 2nd. November in TC8 with crew 19 & also 8th. & 9th. November in TC6.  
> 
> 	Fond memories with lovely lady and a great team. I wonder if the BBC kept any of these.
> Barry.
> 
> 
> 
> On 18 Jun 2020, at 15:19, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> Thoroughly endorse the sentiments expressed here. I too worked on the 1971 series, usually as the boom op. My notes show dates at fortnightly intervals on a Sunday/Monday schedule beginning mid February. Hugh Barker sound mixed ? what a really nice bunch of people. I have some NAB spools with bits and pieces somewhere. My father was in the RAF in the war and was billeted for a time at Ditchling before heading off to North Africa. I took him back there for a nostalgia visit sometime in the 1970?s but didn?t know at the time that Vera lived there. Mum and Dad worshipped her and would have been tickled pink.
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:52 PM
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject:	Re: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
>> Date:	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 13:20:01 +0100
>> From:	Tim Humphries mailto:timhum001 at gmail.com
>> To:	Bernard Newnham mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> I worked on the Vera Lynn show at the TV Theatre in Shepherds Bush in the early '70's. I was the most junior member of the sound crew and so was operating the foldback speaker. In those days The Young Generation dance troupe were on nearly every LE show and this was no exception. Whilst they were doing their piece Vera was standing next to me and whilst they were dancing she confided to me that she was not a dancer and wished she could dance like them. I was 20 years old at the time and was astounded that the star of the show would even consider talking to me let alone sharing her feelings about what she wished she could do. I was delighted that she spoke to me at the time and after working with dozens of TV stars in my career, never had another one start a conversation with me in that manner. She was a truly magnificent person, a war hero and certainly deserved to live a long and happy life. I am sure she will rest in peace.
>> 
>> On 18/06/2020 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant day in TC1.
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.
>>>>  
>>>> It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99th Birthday.  Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.  Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud orchestras dear?! 
>>>>  
>>>> Her first appearance on television was on 13th April 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra.  She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.  Her first appearance was on 21st May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.  Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.
>>>>  
>>>> Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? and ?Please Be Kind?.  Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless. 
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> Simon Vaughan
>>>> Archivist
>>>> for and on behalf of
>>>> Alexandra Palace Television Society
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> Tel:       +44 (0) 1332 729358
>>>> Mob:     +44 (0) 7791 780882
>>>> E-mail:  apts at apts.org.uk
>>>> Web:     www.apts.org.uk
>>>>                www.youtube.com/aptsarchive
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> The Alexandra Palace Television Society is a not-for-profit organisation, dedicated to preserving for present and future generations, the oral and written history of the pioneers who inaugurated the world's first regular public high-definition television service from Alexandra Palace, north London, in 1936.
>>>>  
>>>> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.  If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager: postmaster at apts.org.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 16:33:09 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:33:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re:  Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Tech1] Memories of Dame Vera Lynn
Date: 	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 19:48:30 +0000
From: 	paulvictork at uwclub.net
To: 	bernie833 at gmail.com



I worked on a couple of series with Vera, 1 series was in the Theater? 
and another in TVC Unfortunately I have none of my diaries now I 
destroyed them very many years ago "What a stupid thing to do Paul " Yes 
I must agree.
Vera was a great artist and pleasant to work with!!
RIP Vera
Paul Kay

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:21:16 +0100, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels 
tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant 
day in TC1.

B


On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame 
> Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.
>
> It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her 
> home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99^th Birthday.? Over 
> tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 
> 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.? Sadly 
> she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud 
> orchestras dear?!
>
> Her first appearance on television was on 13^th April 1938, with 
> Ambrose and his Orchestra.? She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and 
> Max Bacon.? She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking 
> up 14 performances over 12 months.? Her first appearance was on 21^st 
> May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn 
> Dall and Max Bacon.? Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as 
> part of The Ambrose Quartet.
>
> Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 
> as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? 
> and ?Please Be Kind?.? Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the 
> Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless.
>
> Simon Vaughan
>
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>
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>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 19 03:05:08 2020
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Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:05:08 +0000 (UTC)
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 And now "We'll Meet Again" has become an anthem once more.
I remember Vera Lynn dancing with the Young Generation. (Was I there? Or did I just see it on Tele?) She must have been in her mid-fifties by then. She gave a momentary look of fear as they hoist her shoulder high. But she went for it! A truly game lady.
I love the stories of her, at the peak of her wartime fame, touring air-raid shelters and munitions factories, travelling through the blitz and the blackout, on the bus or driving her Austin 7 - no chauffeur-driven limos, however big a for celebrity she was! Her troop tours were her own idea, and I think she organised some of them herself. And her post-war work with ex-servicemen and other charities was magnificent. She deserved all the awards and honours she was given.
I forget the programme - but I remember seeing David Dimbleby interviewing her, on the White Cliffs of Dover - how iconic is that!?
The phrase 'National Treasure' is overused ?but Vera Lynn is one person who has truly earned it.
luv, Rog.?
    On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 17:04:02 BST, David Brunt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 One out of the six missing from 1969, but it featured Rolf so no greatloss.
One out of five missing from the 1971 run. Featured HarrySecombe.
All six of the 1971/2 season missing, and two one-offs later in1972.

A 1973 and 1977 special survive. And six episodes of1974.

Plus various other guest appearance on other showssurvive.

?From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:36 PMTo: David Newbitt Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Memories of Dame VeraLynn?HiDave et al,I also had thegreat pleasure of working with Vera Lynn in 1969 along with Hugh Barker 1st.& 2nd. November in TC8 with crew 19 & also 8th. & 9th. November inTC6.? ?Fond memorieswith lovely lady and a great team. I wonder if the BBC kept any of these.
Barry.

?On 18 Jun 2020, at 15:19, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    Thoroughly endorse the sentiments expressed here. I too worked on the 1971 series, usually as the boom op. My notes show dates at fortnightly intervals on a Sunday/Monday schedule beginning mid February. Hugh Barker sound mixed ? what a really nice bunch of people. I have some NAB spools with bits and pieces somewhere. My father was in the RAF in the war and was billeted for a time at Ditchling before heading off to North Africa. I took him back there for a nostalgia visit sometime in the 1970?s but didn?t know at the time that Vera lived there. Mum and Dad worshipped her and would have been tickled pink. ? Dave Newbitt.   ?  From:?Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent:?Thursday, June 18, 2020 2:52 PM To:?tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject:?[Tech1] Fwd: Re: Memories of Dame Vera Lynn ?  ? 

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I worked on the Vera Lynn show at the TV Theatre in Shepherds Bush in the early '70's. I was the most junior member of the sound crew and so was operating the foldback speaker. In those days The Young Generation dance troupe were on nearly every LE show and this was no exception. Whilst they were doing their piece Vera was standing next to me and whilst they were dancing she confided to me that she was not a dancer and wished she could dance like them. I was 20 years old at the time and was astounded that the star of the show would even consider talking to me let alone sharing her feelings about what she wished she could do. I was delighted that she spoke to me at the time and after working with dozens of TV stars in my career, never had another one start a conversation with me in that manner. She was a truly magnificent person, a war hero and certainly deserved to live a long and happy life. I am sure she will rest in peace.

 On 18/06/2020 12:21, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
 
I worked on the Vera Lynn Show series in the 1970s, with Howard Michaels tracking and me swinging a Mole with - who? - on the front. A pleasant day in TC1.

B



 On 18/06/2020 11:42, Alexandra Palace Television Society via Tech1 wrote:
 
  I?m sure many members of Tech Ops will have their own memories of Dame Vera who has sadly died at the age of 103.  ? It was a pleasure to spend an afternoon with the lady herself at her home in Ditchling, just after she celebrated her 99th?Birthday.? Over tea and buns we discussed her appearance on BBC Television in August 1938, and some of her television appearances over the years.? Sadly she became quite deaf in recent years - ?all that singing with loud orchestras dear?!   ? Her first appearance on television was on 13th?April 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra.? She performed alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.? She became quite a regular on pre-war television, clocking up 14 performances over 12 months.? Her first appearance was on 21st?May 1938, with Ambrose and his Orchestra performing alongside Evelyn Dall and Max Bacon.? Her last pre-war appearance was in April 1939, as part of The Ambrose Quartet.  ? Here is the great lady performing on ?Cabaret Cruise? in August 1938 as part of RadiOlympia, where she sang two songs ?Tears In My Heart? and ?Please Be Kind?.? Sadly it?s not the clearest photograph in the Desmond Campbell Collection, but a record of her performance nonetheless.    ?  ? Simon Vaughan Archivist for and on behalf of Alexandra Palace Television Society ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tel:?????? +44 (0) 1332 729358 Mob:???? +44 (0) 7791 780882 E-mail: ?apts at apts.org.uk Web:??? ?www.apts.org.uk ????????????? ?www.youtube.com/aptsarchive ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Alexandra Palace Television Society is a not-for-profit organisation, dedicated to preserving for present and future generations, the oral and written history of the pioneers who inaugurated the world's first regular public high-definition television service from Alexandra Palace, north London, in 1936. ? This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.? If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager:?postmaster at apts.org.uk  ?  ?  ?  ?
 


 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 19 03:16:05 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:16:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down
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 ?"It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line."

On the Golden Section, Geoff! Usually on the Golden Section. (0.618034 or 0.381966) They must have covered that when filling in your Ration Book? (I know, it's a long time ago now!)
luv, Rog.
    On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 15:05:23 BST, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 
Nice pictures Alec, I particularly liked the one second from bottom where you have included lots of sky with clouds. It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line. I usually think in thirds rather than a fifty-fifty split but yours works well. Skies are important and Constable is said to have painted one every day.

I hope Chester is enjoying lots of sniffs on your country walks. I?ve not taken my daughter?s dog, Summer out since lockdown but she?s been bringing her here so she can have a run in our orchard and I can see her. She loves chasing after a ball when I fling it for her and can find it even if it lands out of sight. She brings it back to show me proudly that she has it, but won?t drop it till I offer her another one that she prefers and will leap high in the air to try and grab it off me.

As John said, dogs are good for you mental health and Summer cheers me up no end. I hope his old Joey is enjoying life too,

 ?

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Geoff

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From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 17 June 2020 16:31
To: Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down

 ?

Hi everyone,

Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.? It is a real place!

A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.

This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.



 ?

You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", the story.? (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)? Here is a still from the movie:

 ?



The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.? Most of the locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of the landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to the time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway with our two girls.

The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"?? (why do you turn so pale? no phantom power)

The film Watership Down was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.

 ?

It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling the heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back slowly, keeping in the shade.



 ?

All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare Balding grew up? - and this next view looks across part of the Balding estate.



There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is used for? horse eventing (Cross Country)? - I have, some years back,? jump judged at this course.? The instructions for the jump judging included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"

 ?

Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.? For those of you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along a track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the Hannington transmitter.


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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri Jun 19 04:23:46 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:23:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down
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Try telling that to Sergei Eisenstein...

John

On 19/06/2020 09:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>  ?"It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put the 
> horizon line."
> 
> On the Golden Section, Geoff! Usually on the Golden Section. (0.618034 
> or 0.381966) They must have covered that when filling in your Ration 
> Book? (I know, it's a long time ago now!)
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 15:05:23 BST, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice pictures Alec, I particularly liked the one second from bottom 
> where you have included lots of sky with clouds. It?s not easy to decide 
> how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line. I usually 
> think in thirds rather than a fifty-fifty split but yours works well. 
> Skies are important and Constable is said to have painted one every day.
> 
> I hope Chester is enjoying lots of sniffs on your country walks. I?ve 
> not taken my daughter?s dog, Summer out since lockdown but she?s been 
> bringing her here so she can have a run in our orchard and I can see 
> her. She loves chasing after a ball when I fling it for her and can find 
> it even if it lands out of sight. She brings it back to show me proudly 
> that she has it, but won?t drop it till I offer her another one that she 
> prefers and will leap high in the air to try and grab it off me.
> 
> As John said, dogs are good for you mental health and Summer cheers me 
> up no end. I hope his old Joey is enjoying life too,
> 
> *Geoff*
> 
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Alec Bray via 
> Tech1
> *Sent:* 17 June 2020 16:31
> *To:* Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Watership Down
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.? It is a real place!
> 
> A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the 
> Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.
> 
> This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.
> 
> You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", 
> the story.? (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the 
> recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)? Here is a 
> still from the movie:
> 
> The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.? Most of the 
> locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in 
> Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of the 
> landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to the 
> time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway with our 
> two girls.
> 
> The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"?? (why do you turn so pale? no 
> phantom power)
> 
> The film /Watership Down/ was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.
> 
> It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling the 
> heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back slowly, 
> keeping in the shade.
> 
> All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare 
> Balding grew up? - and this next view looks across part of the Balding 
> estate.
> 
> There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is 
> used for? horse eventing (Cross Country)? - I have, some years back,  
> jump judged at this course.? The instructions for the jump judging 
> included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"
> 
> Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.? For those of 
> you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along a 
> track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the 
> Hannington transmitter.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
>    
> 
> Alec
> 
>    
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
>    
> 
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> 
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> 
> home:?? 0118 981 7502
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 19 05:34:27 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:34:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Firemen
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?While trying to do a bit of research about the 1938 OB covering Chamberlain returning from Munich with his famous piece of paper, I looked through copies of Wireless World from that time in case they offered any more info ( they didn?t offer much, but did confirm that it was an OB ).

However, one unrelated article did catch my eye.

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It was an article about the first attempt to televise a stage play.  In the fourth paragraph offers an account of what must surely be the first time that the the fire people made what was to become their traditional contribution to broadcasting.

Also note that nearly a dozen cables were needed for that three camera OB. 

There was another article describing a theatre OB.  Note that there was no seating in scanning vehicles.  All staff stood up throughout the show. 

The guy in the foreground apparently reading the newspaper is adjacent to where the sound mixer is located, so it looks as though he pioneered the traditional dedication and professionalism displayed by sound people.

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A different article described the BBC?s plans for a mobile lighting vehicle to facilitate OBs in the evenings.  The article concluded by saying that after the addition of this extra van, the BBC would only need an elephant or two to resemble a travelling circus. We never got issued with those elephants, but I?ll leave others to decide whether we had a bunch of clowns.

Alan Taylor

From nick at nickway.co.uk  Fri Jun 19 06:07:06 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:07:06 +0100 (BST)
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 19 06:54:20 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:54:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down
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 Virtually perfect. I don't think he needs to be told. He probably invented it!


    On Friday, 19 June 2020, 10:24:22 BST, John Nottage via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Try telling that to Sergei Eisenstein...

John

On 19/06/2020 09:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>? ?"It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put the 
> horizon line."
> 
> On the Golden Section, Geoff! Usually on the Golden Section. (0.618034 
> or 0.381966) They must have covered that when filling in your Ration 
> Book? (I know, it's a long time ago now!)
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 15:05:23 BST, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Nice pictures Alec, I particularly liked the one second from bottom 
> where you have included lots of sky with clouds. It?s not easy to decide 
> how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line. I usually 
> think in thirds rather than a fifty-fifty split but yours works well. 
> Skies are important and Constable is said to have painted one every day.
> 
> I hope Chester is enjoying lots of sniffs on your country walks. I?ve 
> not taken my daughter?s dog, Summer out since lockdown but she?s been 
> bringing her here so she can have a run in our orchard and I can see 
> her. She loves chasing after a ball when I fling it for her and can find 
> it even if it lands out of sight. She brings it back to show me proudly 
> that she has it, but won?t drop it till I offer her another one that she 
> prefers and will leap high in the air to try and grab it off me.
> 
> As John said, dogs are good for you mental health and Summer cheers me 
> up no end. I hope his old Joey is enjoying life too,
> 
> *Geoff*
> 
> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Alec Bray via 
> Tech1
> *Sent:* 17 June 2020 16:31
> *To:* Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Watership Down
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.? It is a real place!
> 
> A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the 
> Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.
> 
> This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.
> 
> You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", 
> the story.? (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the 
> recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)? Here is a 
> still from the movie:
> 
> The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.? Most of the 
> locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in 
> Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of the 
> landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to the 
> time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway with our 
> two girls.
> 
> The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"?? (why do you turn so pale? no 
> phantom power)
> 
> The film /Watership Down/ was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.
> 
> It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling the 
> heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back slowly, 
> keeping in the shade.
> 
> All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare 
> Balding grew up? - and this next view looks across part of the Balding 
> estate.
> 
> There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is 
> used for? horse eventing (Cross Country)? - I have, some years back,? 
> jump judged at this course.? The instructions for the jump judging 
> included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"
> 
> Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.? For those of 
> you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along a 
> track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the 
> Hannington transmitter.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Best Regards
> 
>? ? 
> 
> Alec
> 
>? ? 
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
>? ? 
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com? <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
> 
> mob:??? 07789 561 346
> 
> home:?? 0118 981 7502
> 
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From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Fri Jun 19 06:58:37 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 12:58:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down
In-Reply-To: <004301d64620$07e6c3b0$17b44b10$@btinternet.com>
References: <004801d64579$59744600$0c5cd200$@gmail.com>
	<1993343299.1177510.1592554566604@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2fa5e83a-67d1-f7d0-656d-4fef6da069e9@imixmics.co.uk>
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I imagined you would have seen Alexander Nevsky?

Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpVtoUFKZ7w from about 57 mins in 
are some good examples.
5% land 95% sky - fantastic shots!

John

On 19/06/2020 10:57, geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com wrote:
> ...what would he have said to Roger, enlighten us John, please,
> Geoff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of John Nottage via Tech1
> Sent: 19 June 2020 10:24
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watership Down
> 
> Try telling that to Sergei Eisenstein...
> 
> John
> 
> On 19/06/2020 09:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
>>    "It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put
>> the horizon line."
>>
>> On the Golden Section, Geoff! Usually on the Golden Section. (0.618034
>> or 0.381966) They must have covered that when filling in your Ration
>> Book? (I know, it's a long time ago now!)
>>
>> luv, Rog.
>>
>> On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 15:05:23 BST, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nice pictures Alec, I particularly liked the one second from bottom
>> where you have included lots of sky with clouds. It?s not easy to
>> decide how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line. I
>> usually think in thirds rather than a fifty-fifty split but yours works well.
>> Skies are important and Constable is said to have painted one every day.
>>
>> I hope Chester is enjoying lots of sniffs on your country walks. I?ve
>> not taken my daughter?s dog, Summer out since lockdown but she?s been
>> bringing her here so she can have a run in our orchard and I can see
>> her. She loves chasing after a ball when I fling it for her and can
>> find it even if it lands out of sight. She brings it back to show me
>> proudly that she has it, but won?t drop it till I offer her another
>> one that she prefers and will leap high in the air to try and grab it off me.
>>
>> As John said, dogs are good for you mental health and Summer cheers me
>> up no end. I hope his old Joey is enjoying life too,
>>
>> *Geoff*
>>
>> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Alec Bray
>> via
>> Tech1
>> *Sent:* 17 June 2020 16:31
>> *To:* Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Subject:* [Tech1] Watership Down
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.  It is a real place!
>>
>> A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the
>> Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.
>>
>> This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.
>>
>> You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down",
>> the story.  (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the
>> recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)  Here is a
>> still from the movie:
>>
>> The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.  Most of the
>> locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in
>> Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of the
>> landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to the
>> time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway with
>> our two girls.
>>
>> The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"   (why do you turn so pale? no
>> phantom power)
>>
>> The film /Watership Down/ was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.
>>
>> It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling
>> the heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back
>> slowly, keeping in the shade.
>>
>> All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare
>> Balding grew up  - and this next view looks across part of the Balding
>> estate.
>>
>> There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is
>> used for  horse eventing (Cross Country)  - I have, some years back,
>> jump judged at this course.  The instructions for the jump judging
>> included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"
>>
>> Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.  For those
>> of you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along a
>> track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the
>> Hannington transmitter.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>>     
>>
>> Alec
>>
>>     
>>
>> Alec Bray
>>
>>     
>>
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>
>>
>> mob:    07789 561 346
>>
>> home:   0118 981 7502
>>
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From peterjohncombes at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 16:30:16 2020
From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:30:16 +0200
Subject: [Tech1] Firemen
In-Reply-To: <C9FA2013-5DA7-4E87-85F7-AA5F5FF4C3E4@me.com>
References: <C9FA2013-5DA7-4E87-85F7-AA5F5FF4C3E4@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+Ybt4Va9ZW51ghz2mtRA+LY0duFLAr+=XippAh1+vC+TDxDOA@mail.gmail.com>

Er -- that's not a newspaper, it is a theatre play script.

Peter Combes
Crew 3 Emeritus

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 12:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> While trying to do a bit of research about the 1938 OB covering
> Chamberlain returning from Munich with his famous piece of paper, I looked
> through copies of Wireless World from that time in case they offered any
> more info ( they didn?t offer much, but did confirm that it was an OB ).
>
> However, one unrelated article did catch my eye.
>
>
>
>
> It was an article about the first attempt to televise a stage play.  In
> the fourth paragraph offers an account of what must surely be the first
> time that the the fire people made what was to become their traditional
> contribution to broadcasting.
>
> Also note that nearly a dozen cables were needed for that three camera OB.
>
> There was another article describing a theatre OB.  Note that there was no
> seating in scanning vehicles.  All staff stood up throughout the show.
>
> The guy in the foreground apparently reading the newspaper is adjacent to
> where the sound mixer is located, so it looks as though he pioneered the
> traditional dedication and professionalism displayed by sound people.
>
>
>
>
> A different article described the BBC?s plans for a mobile lighting
> vehicle to facilitate OBs in the evenings.  The article concluded by saying
> that after the addition of this extra van, the BBC would only need an
> elephant or two to resemble a travelling circus. We never got issued with
> those elephants, but I?ll leave others to decide whether we had a bunch of
> clowns.
>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 19 17:08:13 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:08:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Firemen
In-Reply-To: <CA+Ybt4Va9ZW51ghz2mtRA+LY0duFLAr+=XippAh1+vC+TDxDOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Ybt4Va9ZW51ghz2mtRA+LY0duFLAr+=XippAh1+vC+TDxDOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B068A23-B942-47FE-BDB1-4C13E614BA54@me.com>

Yes I know, I doubt that the picture would have been released if he was really reading a newspaper, but it looked a bit like one.

Alan Taylor

> On 19 Jun 2020, at 22:30, Peter Combes <peterjohncombes at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Er -- that's not a newspaper, it is a theatre play script.
> 
> Peter Combes
> Crew 3 Emeritus
> 
>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 12:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> While trying to do a bit of research about the 1938 OB covering Chamberlain returning from Munich with his famous piece of paper, I looked through copies of Wireless World from that time in case they offered any more info ( they didn?t offer much, but did confirm that it was an OB ).
>> 
>> However, one unrelated article did catch my eye.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was an article about the first attempt to televise a stage play.  In the fourth paragraph offers an account of what must surely be the first time that the the fire people made what was to become their traditional contribution to broadcasting.
>> 
>> Also note that nearly a dozen cables were needed for that three camera OB. 
>> 
>> There was another article describing a theatre OB.  Note that there was no seating in scanning vehicles.  All staff stood up throughout the show. 
>> 
>> The guy in the foreground apparently reading the newspaper is adjacent to where the sound mixer is located, so it looks as though he pioneered the traditional dedication and professionalism displayed by sound people.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> A different article described the BBC?s plans for a mobile lighting vehicle to facilitate OBs in the evenings.  The article concluded by saying that after the addition of this extra van, the BBC would only need an elephant or two to resemble a travelling circus. We never got issued with those elephants, but I?ll leave others to decide whether we had a bunch of clowns.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor-- 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jun 20 02:24:29 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 08:24:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Firemen
In-Reply-To: <3B068A23-B942-47FE-BDB1-4C13E614BA54@me.com>
References: <3B068A23-B942-47FE-BDB1-4C13E614BA54@me.com>
Message-ID: <0445338E-ABED-4816-B1D4-7D2030E62C57@mac.com>

And I think it?s a woman, not a bloke, but apart from those two ?errors? you were completely right, Alan!

Mike G

> On 19 Jun 2020, at 23:08, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Yes I know, I doubt that the picture would have been released if he was really reading a newspaper, but it looked a bit like one.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>>> On 19 Jun 2020, at 22:30, Peter Combes <peterjohncombes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Er -- that's not a newspaper, it is a theatre play script.
>> 
>> Peter Combes
>> Crew 3 Emeritus
>> 
>>> On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 at 12:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> While trying to do a bit of research about the 1938 OB covering Chamberlain returning from Munich with his famous piece of paper, I looked through copies of Wireless World from that time in case they offered any more info ( they didn?t offer much, but did confirm that it was an OB ).
>>> 
>>> However, one unrelated article did catch my eye.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It was an article about the first attempt to televise a stage play.  In the fourth paragraph offers an account of what must surely be the first time that the the fire people made what was to become their traditional contribution to broadcasting.
>>> 
>>> Also note that nearly a dozen cables were needed for that three camera OB. 
>>> 
>>> There was another article describing a theatre OB.  Note that there was no seating in scanning vehicles.  All staff stood up throughout the show. 
>>> 
>>> The guy in the foreground apparently reading the newspaper is adjacent to where the sound mixer is located, so it looks as though he pioneered the traditional dedication and professionalism displayed by sound people.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A different article described the BBC?s plans for a mobile lighting vehicle to facilitate OBs in the evenings.  The article concluded by saying that after the addition of this extra van, the BBC would only need an elephant or two to resemble a travelling circus. We never got issued with those elephants, but I?ll leave others to decide whether we had a bunch of clowns.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor-- 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun 20 07:13:06 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:13:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Historic OB
Message-ID: <CEE8A4AA-90E3-4FED-B0A5-BB3C0D3A8E31@me.com>

Hi Alec,

I was just collecting together stuff for archiving and re-read your email discussing which was the first rigged OB.

You mentioned that one site claimed that it was the Cenotaph Armistice event of 1937 and that you doubted the accuracy of it.  I can confirm that you were right to doubt it. The first OB was the Coronation procession of King George VI, just as you thought.  Talk about jumping in at the deep end - having a Coronation as your shakedown programme for the first ever OB van.  Apparently the picture vanished as the King approached and a swift kick to one of the racks solved the problem just in time.  It later turned out to be due to be down to a dry joint.  It appears that during the Coronation, the MCR was primarily manned by Marconi-EMI engineers rather than BBC staff because so much of the equipment was new to the BBC. After the rush of the Coronation, the MCR was withdrawn from operational duties for 6 weeks so that staff could become proficient with it's operation. 

Archived copies of Radio Times didn't always list TV programmes, but sometimes did, while Wireless World in those days published a lot of articles about television and every week ( it was weekly pre 1939 ), it published a list of forthcoming TV broadcasts and always mentioned OBs. By July 12th they were scheduling experimental OBs from Wimbledon of the Davis cup. Between Aug 15th and Sep 4th the OB unit were relaying pictures from Regent's Park zoo, primarily for the Radio Olympia show, where the BBC had a large demonstration area. Then there were OBs covering Air Racing from Hatfield ( with disastrous radio links - see below ), football from Arsenal, King George V dock, and shows from various film studios, staring with Pinewood.  There were many other OBs before Armistice day.

The Coronation used a special trunk cable installed around parts of central London, but other shows used 64MHz radio links. Reception of those radio links was initially done from the aerial tower at AP, but they encountered problems, especially in windy weather.  It was believed to be due to an intermittent connection in the TV transmitter aerial or mast creating unintentional radiation, but the problem was never resolved despite many attempts.  The interfering signals were well over 10mV, while the received signal was less than 2mV.  The interference manifested itself as very heavy white splashes on the screen and disrupted the frame synchronising too..

They then tried receiving from the other tower at AP, which was no better and after various experiments concluded that nowhere within a mile of the AP transmitter was suitable either.  Finally by spring of 1938 they decided that receiving OBs from a site adjacent to a massive transmitter was futile and their search for an alternative led them to Swain's Lane on high ground near Highgate.  Successful experiments were conducted from a nearby church spire and they initially used a temporary tower at Swain's Lane to raise the reception aerials.  Then they built a permanent wooden tower, which was eventually replaced with a metal one which I believe is still there ( judging by satellite photos ).  I worked at Swain's Lane on many occasions when on attachment to Radio Links.

Many people talk of the BBC's war contribution via "Beam Bending", using the TV transmitter at AP to disrupt the Nazi bomber navigation system.  The original beam bending countermeasures applied to an earlier German navigation system, X-Ger?t and that beam bending was done by non-BBC means. The BBC were deployed to defeat the more sophisticated Y-Ger?t system. The most technical accounts I have discovered seem to suggest that the beams weren't bent as such, but by using Swains Lane in conjunction with the AP Tx, they could rapidly identify the frequency used, tune the transmitter to that exact frequency and then connect the Swains Lane Rx to the AP Tx to create a deafening howl round on that frequency, which rendered the navigation system totally unusable.  It was a very clever but subtle wheeze and it took the Germans quite a while to realise that the problems were due to British action rather than an inherent fault with their design.  If the BBC had not done that, raids such as those on Coventry might have been much more commonplace.  That disruption bought time which allowed other defences against bomber raids to become more effective.

I'm amazed at how much material is available on-line for research.  Unfortunately much of it is not electronically indexed and has to be trawled through manually, but by following hunches, all sorts of stuff keeps cropping up.

Do you happen to have any info about sound or vision mixers of that era?  I've not found much so far about those topics.  Most of the historical records rather predictably relate to cameras and the outsides of vehicles.

All the best

Alan

From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun 20 07:35:43 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:35:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Historic OB
In-Reply-To: <CEE8A4AA-90E3-4FED-B0A5-BB3C0D3A8E31@me.com>
References: <CEE8A4AA-90E3-4FED-B0A5-BB3C0D3A8E31@me.com>
Message-ID: <0ADAB0AD-D4C5-4834-B20D-A95821E91E96@me.com>

That was meant to be a private e-mail to Alec, so my apologies for accidentally sending it to the list instead, but if anybody can offer any further clues about the stuff I was asking, I'd be delighted to hear it.

Alan Taylor


On 20 Jun 2020, at 20 Jun . 13:13, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Alec,
> 
> I was just collecting together stuff for archiving and re-read your email discussing which was the first rigged OB.
> 
> You mentioned that one site claimed that it was the Cenotaph Armistice event of 1937 and that you doubted the accuracy of it.  I can confirm that you were right to doubt it. The first OB was the Coronation procession of King George VI, just as you thought.  Talk about jumping in at the deep end - having a Coronation as your shakedown programme for the first ever OB van.  Apparently the picture vanished as the King approached and a swift kick to one of the racks solved the problem just in time.  It later turned out to be due to be down to a dry joint.  It appears that during the Coronation, the MCR was primarily manned by Marconi-EMI engineers rather than BBC staff because so much of the equipment was new to the BBC. After the rush of the Coronation, the MCR was withdrawn from operational duties for 6 weeks so that staff could become proficient with it's operation. 
> 
> Archived copies of Radio Times didn't always list TV programmes, but sometimes did, while Wireless World in those days published a lot of articles about television and every week ( it was weekly pre 1939 ), it published a list of forthcoming TV broadcasts and always mentioned OBs. By July 12th they were scheduling experimental OBs from Wimbledon of the Davis cup. Between Aug 15th and Sep 4th the OB unit were relaying pictures from Regent's Park zoo, primarily for the Radio Olympia show, where the BBC had a large demonstration area. Then there were OBs covering Air Racing from Hatfield ( with disastrous radio links - see below ), football from Arsenal, King George V dock, and shows from various film studios, staring with Pinewood.  There were many other OBs before Armistice day.
> 
> The Coronation used a special trunk cable installed around parts of central London, but other shows used 64MHz radio links. Reception of those radio links was initially done from the aerial tower at AP, but they encountered problems, especially in windy weather.  It was believed to be due to an intermittent connection in the TV transmitter aerial or mast creating unintentional radiation, but the problem was never resolved despite many attempts.  The interfering signals were well over 10mV, while the received signal was less than 2mV.  The interference manifested itself as very heavy white splashes on the screen and disrupted the frame synchronising too..
> 
> They then tried receiving from the other tower at AP, which was no better and after various experiments concluded that nowhere within a mile of the AP transmitter was suitable either.  Finally by spring of 1938 they decided that receiving OBs from a site adjacent to a massive transmitter was futile and their search for an alternative led them to Swain's Lane on high ground near Highgate.  Successful experiments were conducted from a nearby church spire and they initially used a temporary tower at Swain's Lane to raise the reception aerials.  Then they built a permanent wooden tower, which was eventually replaced with a metal one which I believe is still there ( judging by satellite photos ).  I worked at Swain's Lane on many occasions when on attachment to Radio Links.
> 
> Many people talk of the BBC's war contribution via "Beam Bending", using the TV transmitter at AP to disrupt the Nazi bomber navigation system.  The original beam bending countermeasures applied to an earlier German navigation system, X-Ger?t and that beam bending was done by non-BBC means. The BBC were deployed to defeat the more sophisticated Y-Ger?t system. The most technical accounts I have discovered seem to suggest that the beams weren't bent as such, but by using Swains Lane in conjunction with the AP Tx, they could rapidly identify the frequency used, tune the transmitter to that exact frequency and then connect the Swains Lane Rx to the AP Tx to create a deafening howl round on that frequency, which rendered the navigation system totally unusable.  It was a very clever but subtle wheeze and it took the Germans quite a while to realise that the problems were due to British action rather than an inherent fault with their design.  If the BBC had not done that, raids such as those on Coventry might have been much more commonplace.  That disruption bought time which allowed other defences against bomber raids to become more effective.
> 
> I'm amazed at how much material is available on-line for research.  Unfortunately much of it is not electronically indexed and has to be trawled through manually, but by following hunches, all sorts of stuff keeps cropping up.
> 
> Do you happen to have any info about sound or vision mixers of that era?  I've not found much so far about those topics.  Most of the historical records rather predictably relate to cameras and the outsides of vehicles.
> 
> All the best
> 
> Alan
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 20 08:24:54 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:24:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Historic OB
In-Reply-To: <0ADAB0AD-D4C5-4834-B20D-A95821E91E96@me.com>
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No need to apologise, Alan, I found it very interesting!
Your mention of Marconi engineers reminded me that when movies became ?talkies?, the sound guys were Marconi men, as no one else had a clue about sound. This could have been the reason that there was such antipathy between the camera and sound departments in the film industry (I thought it stemmed from the sound department insisting on shutting the camera into a sound proof booth! I believe that the scenes depicted in ?Singin? in the Rain? are pretty accurate).
I worked for a Production Mixer on a couple of major features, and only discovered much later that he had been instrumental in working on Radar during the war ? sadly he?s gone upstairs, so can?t ask him about it.
I recall a story about an OB radio link between North Wales and Morecambe(?) across the water. All fine during rehearsal, but come the transmission, the tide had come in and bounced the signal off line!

I once had a location practically under the Crystal Palace mast. Supplied with a Sennheiser 805 by the hire firm booked by the production, I had the greatest trouble with interference as the mic has an RF stage in the head amp. Careful orientation lessened the effect, but it made operation very tricky.
Regards
Pat



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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 20 June 2020 13:36
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Historic OB

That was meant to be a private e-mail to Alec, so my apologies for accidentally sending it to the list instead, but if anybody can offer any further clues about the stuff I was asking, I'd be delighted to hear it.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 09:54:27 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:54:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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Forwarded - can anyone help?

B



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: Your History of Television Studios website
Date: 	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
From: 	Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com>
To: 	Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
CC: 	bernie833 at gmail.com



Hi Fiona

To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that 
generation.? However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do 
communicate and occasionally?meet up.? I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, 
in the hope he might be able to help you.

Good luck!

Martin

*Martin Kempton - television lighting designer*
*9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire*
*RG45 6EB
mobile: 07721 550285
website with CV and other information: **www.martinkempton.com 
<http://www.martinkempton.com/>*
*TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk 
<http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk>*


On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay 
<alebasifinh at gmail.com <mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com>> wrote:

    /Hi Martin/
    /
    /
    /I came across?your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as
    a Photographic?Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father
    (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained
    most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through
    Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building./
    /
    /
    /I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do
    know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which
    included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope
    that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my
    Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have
    worked?with whilst at Shepherds Bush./
    /
    /
    /I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would
    appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured./
    /
    /
    /Thank you. E//njoy your day further and go well./
    /Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)/
    /
    /
    Cell
    & WhatsApp:
    */+44 074 985 32580/*
    *CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:*

      * /*F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY
        <http://www.facebook.com/FinhOfTheLensPHOTOGRAPHYZA/>*
      * *F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN <https://www.facebook.com/FOTLGrafikDesign/>*
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Jun 22 03:20:43 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:20:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News 
BEST wishes to all. 
BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018) 

The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:

Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan
If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd

Panasonic devices 

Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.  BBC SD services will be unaffected.  Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.

For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1

Sent from my iPhone

> On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Forwarded - can anyone help?
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject:	Re: Your History of Television Studios website
> Date:	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
> From:	Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com>
> To:	Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
> CC:	bernie833 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> Hi Fiona
> 
> To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.  However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally meet up.  I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Martin
> 
> Martin Kempton - television lighting designer
> 9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire
> RG45 6EB 
> mobile: 07721 550285
> website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com
> TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Martin
>> 
>> I came across your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.
>> 
>> I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked with whilst at Shepherds Bush.
>> 
>> I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.
>> 
>> Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.
>> Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)
>> 
>> Cell & WhatsApp:  +44 074 985 32580
>> CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:
>> F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY
>> F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN
>> GraFQ MaaJK MAKEOVERS
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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 05:03:32 2020
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 11:03:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.

So I, too, would like a solution.

Tony B
On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:
> Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News
> BEST wishes to all.
> BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
> Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018)
>
> The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:
>
> 1. Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
> 2. Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
> 3. Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan
>
> If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website -?http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd
>
> Panasonic devices
>
> Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.? BBC SD services will be unaffected.? Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.
>
> For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit?https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Forwarded - can anyone help?
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > Subject: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
> > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
> > From: Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com>
> > To: Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
> > CC: bernie833 at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > Hi Fiona
> >
> > To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.? However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally?meet up.? I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > Martin Kempton - television lighting designer
> > 9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire
> > RG45 6EB
> > mobile: 07721 550285
> > website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com
> > TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk
> >
> >
> > > On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi Martin
> > > >
> > > > I came across?your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic?Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.
> > > >
> > > > I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked?with whilst at Shepherds Bush.
> > > >
> > > > I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.
> > > > Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)
> > > >
> > > > Cell
> > > > & WhatsApp:
> > > > ?+44 074 985 32580
> > > > CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:
> > > >
> > > > ? F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY
> > > > ? F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN
> > > > ? GraFQ?MaaJK MAKEOVERS
> > > >
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 23 05:19:57 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 11:19:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
In-Reply-To: <781e16a5-ef06-44c6-a3ce-60ecce701dee@Spark>
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I don?t have satellite, either, trees in the way!
However, getting my digital terrestrial from Crystal Palace, and no problems with any Freeview BBC HD channels, 101, 102, 106, 107.
Pat

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From: Tony Briselden via Tech1
Sent: 23 June 2020 11:04
To: Bernard Newnham; Ravenscourt
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Martin Kempton
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website

I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.?

So I, too, would like a solution.

Tony B
On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:

Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News? 
BEST wishes to all.?

BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018)?

The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:
1. Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
2. Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
3. Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan
If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website -?http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd





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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 05:27:03 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 11:27:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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I lost all of my HD channels some time ago and then discovered that 
multiplexes 7 and 8? had moved up to Ch.55/56 (from Crystal Palace).? In 
June Mux 8 was switched off ch.56!? I had to buy a wideband aerial to 
get them, apparently, they may move again in 2022! Check out the 
brilliant website? - www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge - for all you need 
to know! Cheers, Dave

On 23/06/2020 11:03, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get 
> BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least 
> I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News 
> and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing 
> that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot 
> of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent 
> and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been 
> doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want 
> with HD turn up.
>
> So I, too, would like a solution.
>
> Tony B
> On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 
> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:
>> Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News
>> BEST wishes to all.
>>
>>
>>     BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
>>
>> _Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018) _
>>
>> The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD 
>> channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying 
>> correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers 
>> experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the 
>> issue is resolved:
>>
>>  1. Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they
>>     tune back
>>  2. Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start;
>>     check if the channels can now be received
>>  3. Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan
>>
>> If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may 
>> require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC 
>> website - 
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd
>>
>> _Panasonic devices _
>>
>> Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs 
>> might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC 
>> are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD 
>> services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception 
>> at all.? BBC SD services will be unaffected.? Impacted viewers with 
>> an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line 
>> will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.
>>
>> For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices 
>> affected, please visit https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>> Forwarded - can anyone help?
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject: 	Re: Your History of Television Studios website
>>> Date: 	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
>>> From: 	Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com>
>>> To: 	Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
>>> CC: 	bernie833 at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Fiona
>>>
>>> To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of 
>>> that generation.? However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends 
>>> who do communicate and occasionally?meet up.? I'm copying-in Bernard 
>>> Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>> Martin
>>>
>>> *Martin Kempton - television lighting designer*
>>> *9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire*
>>> *RG45 6EB
>>> mobile: 07721 550285
>>> website with CV and other information:* *www.martinkempton.com 
>>> <http://www.martinkempton.com/>*
>>> *TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk 
>>> <http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk>*
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay 
>>> <alebasifinh at gmail.com <mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     /Hi Martin/
>>>     /
>>>     /
>>>     /I came across?your website whilst researching my Fathers'
>>>     career as a Photographic?Journalist in News and Current Affairs.
>>>     My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC
>>>     Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout
>>>     from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into
>>>     the building./
>>>     /
>>>     /
>>>     /I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do
>>>     know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which
>>>     included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with
>>>     hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators
>>>     which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he
>>>     would have worked?with whilst at Shepherds Bush./
>>>     /
>>>     /
>>>     /I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would
>>>     appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is
>>>     assured./
>>>     /
>>>     /
>>>     /Thank you. E//njoy your day further and go well./
>>>     /Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)/
>>>     /
>>>     /
>>>     Cell
>>>     & WhatsApp:
>>>     */+44 074 985 32580/*
>>>     *CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:*
>>>
>>>       * /*F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY
>>>         <http://www.facebook.com/FinhOfTheLensPHOTOGRAPHYZA/>*/
>>>       * /*F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN
>>>         <https://www.facebook.com/FOTLGrafikDesign/>*/
>>>       * /*GraFQ?MaaJK MAKEOVERS
>>>         <https://www.facebook.com/GraaFQMaaJKMAAKEOVERSZA/>*/
>>>
>>> --
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 05:22:35 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 11:22:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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Tony, you'd need to check just what is available from the transmitter
you're using. Google etc should help.

If they are all not available, you might be able to point to a different
transmitter where they are. Might need a different aerial etc though.  


In article <781e16a5-ef06-44c6-a3ce-60ecce701dee at Spark>,
   Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.

> So I, too, would like a solution.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 06:30:31 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:30:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down pictures and where to put the horizon
 line
Message-ID: <009301d64951$b45cd650$1d1682f0$@gmail.com>

A choice of viewing for you on the subject of where to put the horizon line in photos of land (or sea) and sky. Lower third, upper third or straight down the middle?

 

The poppies looked great as did the sky, so which deserved a larger share of the frame? How to satisfy Roger's rule about observing the Golden Section and Mr Nevsky and his followers at the same time?

 

If anyone is inclined to see them and take an offering of their own, the poppies are still there about a mile from Chesham town centre. OS Explorer 181, Ref SP 942 023. It?s a pleasant walk across the fields with plenty of space to keep away from other people. You can drive but it?s a single track road and parking is limited. Full directions available on request,

 

Geoff Hawkes

 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Nottage <jpn at imixmics.co.uk> 
Sent: 19 June 2020 12:59
To: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watership Down

 

I imagined you would have seen Alexander Nevsky?

 

Try  <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpVtoUFKZ7w> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpVtoUFKZ7w from about 57 mins in are some good examples.

5% land 95% sky - fantastic shots!

 

John

 

On 19/06/2020 10:57,  <mailto:geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com> geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com wrote:

> ...what would he have said to Roger, enlighten us John, please, Geoff

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Tech1 < <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of John Nottage 

> via Tech1

> Sent: 19 June 2020 10:24

> To:  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk

> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watership Down

> 

> Try telling that to Sergei Eisenstein...

> 

> John

> 

> On 19/06/2020 09:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

>>    "It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put 

>> the horizon line."

>> 

>> On the Golden Section, Geoff! Usually on the Golden Section. 

>> (0.618034 or 0.381966) They must have covered that when filling in 

>> your Ration Book? (I know, it's a long time ago now!)

>> 

>> luv, Rog.

>> 

>> On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 15:05:23 BST, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 

>> < <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>> 

>> 

>> Nice pictures Alec, I particularly liked the one second from bottom 

>> where you have included lots of sky with clouds. It?s not easy to 

>> decide how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line. I 

>> usually think in thirds rather than a fifty-fifty split but yours works well.

>> Skies are important and Constable is said to have painted one every day.

>> 

>> I hope Chester is enjoying lots of sniffs on your country walks. I?ve 

>> not taken my daughter?s dog, Summer out since lockdown but she?s been 

>> bringing her here so she can have a run in our orchard and I can see 

>> her. She loves chasing after a ball when I fling it for her and can 

>> find it even if it lands out of sight. She brings it back to show me 

>> proudly that she has it, but won?t drop it till I offer her another 

>> one that she prefers and will leap high in the air to try and grab it off me.

>> 

>> As John said, dogs are good for you mental health and Summer cheers 

>> me up no end. I hope his old Joey is enjoying life too,

>> 

>> *Geoff*

>> 

>> *From:*Tech1 < <mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Alec Bray 

>> via

>> Tech1

>> *Sent:* 17 June 2020 16:31

>> *To:* Tech Ops < <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>

>> *Subject:* [Tech1] Watership Down

>> 

>> Hi everyone,

>> 

>> Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.  It is a real place!

>> 

>> A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the 

>> Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.

>> 

>> This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.

>> 

>> You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", 

>> the story.  (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the 

>> recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)  Here is a 

>> still from the movie:

>> 

>> The backgrounds for the animation were water colours.  Most of the 

>> locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in 

>> Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of 

>> the landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to 

>> the time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway 

>> with our two girls.

>> 

>> The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"   (why do you turn so pale? no

>> phantom power)

>> 

>> The film /Watership Down/ was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.

>> 

>> It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling 

>> the heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back 

>> slowly, keeping in the shade.

>> 

>> All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare 

>> Balding grew up  - and this next view looks across part of the 

>> Balding estate.

>> 

>> There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is 

>> used for  horse eventing (Cross Country)  - I have, some years back, 

>> jump judged at this course.  The instructions for the jump judging 

>> included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"

>> 

>> Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.  For those 

>> of you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along 

>> a track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the 

>> Hannington transmitter.

>> 

>> --

>> 

>> Best Regards

>> 

>>     

>> 

>> Alec

>> 

>>     

>> 

>> Alec Bray

>> 

>>     

>> 

>>  <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  < <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>

>> 

>> mob:    07789 561 346

>> 

>> home:   0118 981 7502

>> 

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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 06:40:46 2020
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:40:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested it to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they don?t know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a new aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely do it. As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham suggests when News was on it but not since the change.

I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6 miles away.

Thanks fo your link I?ll have a look at it.

Tony B
On 23 Jun 2020, 11:26 +0100, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>, wrote:
> I lost all of my HD channels some time ago and then discovered that multiplexes 7 and 8 had moved up to Ch.55/56 (from Crystal Palace). In June Mux 8 was switched off ch.56! I had to buy a wideband aerial to get them, apparently, they may move again in 2022! Check out the brilliant website - www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge - for all you need to know! Cheers, Dave
> On 23/06/2020 11:03, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
> > I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.
> >
> > So I, too, would like a solution.
> >
> > Tony B
> > On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:
> > > Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News
> > > BEST wishes to all.
> > > BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
> > > Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018)
> > >
> > > The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:
> > >
> > > 1. Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
> > > 2. Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
> > > 3. Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan
> > >
> > > If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website -?http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd
> > >
> > > Panasonic devices
> > >
> > > Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.? BBC SD services will be unaffected.? Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.
> > >
> > > For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit?https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Forwarded - can anyone help?
> > > >
> > > > B
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > > Subject: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
> > > > Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
> > > > From: Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com>
> > > > To: Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
> > > > CC: bernie833 at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Fiona
> > > >
> > > > To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.? However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally?meet up.? I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Martin
> > > >
> > > > Martin Kempton - television lighting designer
> > > > 9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire
> > > > RG45 6EB
> > > > mobile: 07721 550285
> > > > website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com
> > > > TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Martin
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I came across?your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic?Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked?with whilst at Shepherds Bush.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.
> > > > > > Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cell
> > > > > > & WhatsApp:
> > > > > > ?+44 074 985 32580
> > > > > > CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ? F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY
> > > > > > ? F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN
> > > > > > ? GraFQ?MaaJK MAKEOVERS
> > > > > >
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 23 07:03:13 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:03:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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Not knowing exactly where you are, geographically, Tony, I could recommend Cranleigh Systems, who installed the TV distribution for the small two-storey block of flats wherein I dwell.
With the advent of terrestrial digital, I had our favourite engineer dancing about on the roof, with his signal strength meter until the optimum position was found for the communal aerial mast. This was through the roof!
It worked very well, but leaked around the flashing, and let in the rain. I eventually got fed up with emptying the bucket put underneath, so we bit the bullet and had them shift the mast to a gable end, outside.
A new hi-gain antenna was fitted, and the distribution amp for our eight flats moved from one end of the block to the other. All brilliant, in fact Graham, our engineer said that the signal was so strong, he had to tweak the dis amp down a bit. HD is no problem, as we are in direct line of sight to CP, and Croydon (just a few degrees different).
Now if there were any decent programmes to view! (I thought Salisbury was well done, and even forgave the handheld camera!)
Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Tony Briselden via Tech1
Sent: 23 June 2020 12:41
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; dave.mdv
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website

Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested it to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they don?t know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a new aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely do it. As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham suggests when News was on it but not since the change.

I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6 miles away.

Thanks fo your link I?ll have a look at it.

Tony B
On 23 Jun 2020, 11:26 +0100, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>, wrote:

I lost all of my HD channels some time ago and then discovered that multiplexes 7 and 8 had moved up to Ch.55/56 (from Crystal Palace). In June Mux 8 was switched off ch.56! I had to buy a wideband aerial to get them, apparently, they may move again in 2022! Check out the brilliant website - www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge - for all you need to know! Cheers, Dave



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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jun 23 07:16:52 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 12:16:52 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03519570325D3720A249BE15A7940@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?My Humax Freeview box started doing strange things a couple of weeks ago, such as channels it couldn?t find despite re-tuning etc. Two TV?s in other parts of the house, both much newer, unaffected. The Humax was used in my editing man-cave to feed HDMI to a monitor and audio to Presonus mixer.
Initially, a slight red herring was that it happened the same day I put up a new 48 element 4g and 5g filtered aerial on the roof.
So, I binned the elderly Humax and got a new box ( https://tinyurl.com/y9b9uw7u ). All fine now, the box being light-years better than the Humax.
We only have one TV on Freesat, and it seems to be fine.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 23 Jun 2020, at 11:04, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.

So I, too, would like a solution.

Tony B
On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:
Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News
BEST wishes to all.
BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)

Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018)

The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:

  1.  Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
  2.  Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
  3.  Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan

If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd

Panasonic devices

Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.  BBC SD services will be unaffected.  Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.

For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1

Sent from my iPhone

On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Forwarded - can anyone help?

B



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject:        Re: Your History of Television Studios website
Date:   Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
From:   Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com><mailto:mktvld at gmail.com>
To:     Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com><mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com>
CC:     bernie833 at gmail.com<mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>


Hi Fiona

To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.  However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally meet up.  I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.

Good luck!

Martin

Martin Kempton - television lighting designer
9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire
RG45 6EB
mobile: 07721 550285
website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com<http://www.martinkempton.com/>
TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk<http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk>


On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com<mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Martin

I came across your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.

I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked with whilst at Shepherds Bush.

I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.

Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.
Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)

Cell
& WhatsApp:
 +44 074 985 32580
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From doug at puddifoot.me  Tue Jun 23 07:26:39 2020
From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:26:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
Message-ID: <urmlmcxpidpan8r856a2lbkg.1592914784662@email.android.com>

This statement is on the BBC website.

On Freeview the BBC does not have enough of its own capacity to carry all its HD services.BBC News HD, BBC Four HD and CBeebies HD are broadcast using capacity on commercial multiplexes. The commercial capacity has certain constraints, which mean these HD services can only reach about 70% of UK homes.

Where I live on Suffolk the transmitter now used has power of 25Kw, where as the main transmitters are 100Kw. So I too have lost these programmes as I live a fair distance from the transmitter. 

I agree that a new aerial is the best chance to regain the missing programmes. A professional installer will know the correct band and gain needed.

Doug

On 23 June 2020, at 11:03, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.?

So I, too, would like a solution.

Tony B

On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:

Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News? 

BEST wishes to all.?

BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)

Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018)?

The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:

Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune backRemove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be receivedCarry out a Freesat Channel Scan 

If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website -?http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd

Panasonic devices?

Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.? BBC SD services will be unaffected.? Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.

For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit?https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1

Sent from my iPhone


On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Forwarded - can anyone help?

B



-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject:Re: Your History of Television Studios websiteDate:Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100From:Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com>To:Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>CC:bernie833 at gmail.com 

Hi Fiona 


To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.? However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally?meet up.? I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.


Good luck!


Martin


Martin Kempton - television lighting designer

9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire

RG45 6EB
mobile: 07721 550285
website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com

TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk



On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Martin


I came across?your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic?Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.


I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked?with whilst at Shepherds Bush.


I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.


Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.

Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)


Cell 

& WhatsApp:

?+44 074 985 32580

CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:

F O T L PHOTOGRAPHYF O T L GRAFIK DESIGNGraFQ?MaaJK MAKEOVERS 

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From tony.briselden at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 07:32:56 2020
From: tony.briselden at gmail.com (Tony Briselden)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:32:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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I?m the other side of London to you, Pat, about 7 miles from Watford so with many thanks localI shall have to find someone more local.

Like you I thought Salisbury was very well done.

Tony B
On 23 Jun 2020, 13:03 +0100, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>, wrote:
> Not knowing exactly where you are, geographically, Tony, I could recommend Cranleigh Systems, who installed the TV distribution for the small two-storey block of flats wherein I dwell.
> With the advent of terrestrial digital, I had our favourite engineer dancing about on the roof, with his signal strength meter until the optimum position was found for the communal aerial mast. This was through the roof!
> It worked very well, but leaked around the flashing, and let in the rain. I eventually got fed up with emptying the bucket put underneath, so we bit the bullet and had them shift the mast to a gable end, outside.
> A new hi-gain antenna was fitted, and the distribution amp for our eight flats moved from one end of the block to the other. All brilliant, in fact Graham, our engineer said that the signal was so strong, he had to tweak the dis amp down a bit. HD is no problem, as we are in direct line of sight to CP, and Croydon (just a few degrees different).
> Now if there were any decent programmes to view! (I thought Salisbury was well done, and even forgave the handheld camera!)
> Best
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Tony Briselden via Tech1
> Sent: 23 June 2020 12:41
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; dave.mdv
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
>
> Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested it to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they don?t know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a new aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely do it. As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham suggests when News was on it but not since the change.
>
> I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6 miles away.
>
> Thanks fo your link I?ll have a look at it.
>
> Tony B
> On 23 Jun 2020, 11:26 +0100, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>, wrote:
>
> > quote_type
> > I lost all of my HD channels some time ago and then discovered that multiplexes 7 and 8 had moved up to Ch.55/56 (from Crystal Palace). In June Mux 8 was switched off ch.56! I had to buy a wideband aerial to get them, apparently, they may move again in 2022! Check out the brilliant website - www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge - for all you need to know! Cheers, Dave
>
>
>
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 08:05:06 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:05:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
Message-ID: <yhbsb34tfc7213wvbon7tpi0.1592917506230@email.android.com>

Here in Cornwall? (just), we haven't had BBC4 or News in HD for quite some time? (Caradon Hill transmitter. HD quality seems better via satellite anyway, I think, so use that for preference. If I ditch Sky subscription, which to be honest I rarely use these days, i'll be in the market for a Freesat receiver/recorder. Any advice, anyone?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 23/06/2020  13:16  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website 
?My Humax Freeview box started doing strange things a couple of weeks ago, such as channels it couldn?t find despite re-tuning etc. Two TV?s in other parts of the house, both much newer, unaffected. The Humax was used in my editing man-cave to
 feed HDMI to a monitor and audio to Presonus mixer.
Initially, a slight red herring was that it happened the same day I put up a new 48 element 4g and 5g filtered aerial on the roof.
So, I binned the elderly Humax and got a new box ( https://tinyurl.com/y9b9uw7u ). All fine now, the box being light-years better than the Humax.
We only have one TV on Freesat, and it seems to be fine.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 23 Jun 2020, at 11:04, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:




?


I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel,
 not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes
 of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.?

So I, too, would like a solution.

Tony B

On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:

Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News?
BEST wishes to all.?

BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October,
 2018)?

The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps
 until the issue is resolved:

Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune backRemove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be receivedCarry out a Freesat Channel Scan
If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC
 website -?http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd

Panasonic devices?

Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no
 reception at all.? BBC SD services will be unaffected.? Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.

For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit?https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1
Sent from my iPhone

On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



Forwarded - can anyone help?

B




-------- Forwarded Message --------



Subject:
Re: Your History of Television Studios website


Date:
Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100


From:
Martin Kempton 
<mktvld at gmail.com>


To:
Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay 
<alebasifinh at gmail.com>


CC:
bernie833 at gmail.com





Hi Fiona


To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.? However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally?meet up.? I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.


Good luck!


Martin














Martin Kempton - television lighting designer
9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire
RG45 6EB
mobile: 07721 550285
website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com

TV Studio History website: 
www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk


















On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> wrote:




Hi Martin




I came across?your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic?Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass
 through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.




I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators
 which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked?with whilst at Shepherds Bush.




I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.




Thank you.
Enjoy your day further and go well.










































Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)



Cell
& WhatsApp:
?+44 074 985 32580
CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:



F O T L PHOTOGRAPHYF O T L
 GRAFIK DESIGNGraFQ?MaaJK MAKEOVERS














































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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 08:20:27 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:20:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
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In article <3c7978c2-07b9-47e5-9589-fa7a2d3ffeb8 at Spark>,
   Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested
> it to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they
> don?t know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a
> new aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely
> do it. As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham
> suggests when News was on it but not since the change.

Aerials are usually 'peaked' for the channels they are designed to
receive. A simple way of getting more gain from it in a poor signal area.
And Channels 55/56 are a relatively recent addition so an aerial from
before those days could reject them.   

If you have plenty signal, a log beam makes sense. They have a very good
DP, and are broadband. But not so hot in a poor signal area.

> I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6
> miles away.

But does that local transmitter carry everything?

-- 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 08:53:56 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:53:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Aerials
In-Reply-To: <5885220a3fdavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <CANY=9EhpGtcf5bi1YF+FnQLdz5WDaQx_N3RxQXpHOCtMeLOzEw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<781e16a5-ef06-44c6-a3ce-60ecce701dee@Spark>
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Message-ID: <62313836-76c6-1be5-21e6-6f94c7fbd535@gmail.com>

I replaced my standard Crystal Palace aerial last year, when I found out 
that I couldn't receive some channels. I bought a modern broadband one, 
which looked pretty much that same apart from the Xs being slightly 
differently placed. I also have a set top amplifier, but some of the 
plus ones still tend to break up when it rains.

B



On 23/06/2020 14:20, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> In article <3c7978c2-07b9-47e5-9589-fa7a2d3ffeb8 at Spark>,
>     Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested
>> it to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they
>> don?t know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a
>> new aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely
>> do it. As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham
>> suggests when News was on it but not since the change.
> Aerials are usually 'peaked' for the channels they are designed to
> receive. A simple way of getting more gain from it in a poor signal area.
> And Channels 55/56 are a relatively recent addition so an aerial from
> before those days could reject them.
>
> If you have plenty signal, a log beam makes sense. They have a very good
> DP, and are broadband. But not so hot in a poor signal area.
>
>> I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6
>> miles away.
> But does that local transmitter carry everything?
>

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From nickrodger at mac.com  Tue Jun 23 09:30:01 2020
From: nickrodger at mac.com (Nick Rodger)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 15:30:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
In-Reply-To: <yhbsb34tfc7213wvbon7tpi0.1592917506230@email.android.com>
References: <yhbsb34tfc7213wvbon7tpi0.1592917506230@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <F8E740A8-EF4D-4363-A6C6-984CDFD39929@mac.com>

It used to be possible to purchase, for a one~time payment, a card that enables you to use a Sky box as a FreeSat box. 
It used to be about ?25.00. 

Nick Rodger 
Cameraman 
07971 007578 
nickrodger at mac.com  

Sent from my iPhone. 
Please excuse typos and auto~corruptions!! 

Don?t blame me!! 
I voted Remain ??




On 23 Jun 2020, at 14:02, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Here in Cornwall  (just), we haven't had BBC4 or News in HD for quite some time  (Caradon Hill transmitter. HD quality seems better via satellite anyway, I think, so use that for preference. If I ditch Sky subscription, which to be honest I rarely use these days, i'll be in the market for a Freesat receiver/recorder. Any advice, anyone?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------
From: Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Date: 23/06/2020 13:16 (GMT+00:00)
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website

?My Humax Freeview box started doing strange things a couple of weeks ago, such as channels it couldn?t find despite re-tuning etc. Two TV?s in other parts of the house, both much newer, unaffected. The Humax was used in my editing man-cave to feed HDMI to a monitor and audio to Presonus mixer.
Initially, a slight red herring was that it happened the same day I put up a new 48 element 4g and 5g filtered aerial on the roof.
So, I binned the elderly Humax and got a new box ( https://tinyurl.com/y9b9uw7u ). All fine now, the box being light-years better than the Humax.
We only have one TV on Freesat, and it seems to be fine.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

>> On 23 Jun 2020, at 11:04, Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> ?
> I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up. 
> 
> So I, too, would like a solution.
> 
> Tony B
>> On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:
>> Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News 
>> BEST wishes to all. 
>> BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
>> 
>> Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018) 
>> 
>> The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:
>> 
>> Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
>> Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
>> Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan
>> If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd
>> 
>> Panasonic devices 
>> 
>> Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.  BBC SD services will be unaffected.  Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.
>> 
>> For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Forwarded - can anyone help?
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>> Subject:	Re: Your History of Television Studios website
>>> Date:	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
>>> From:	Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com>
>>> To:	Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
>>> CC:	bernie833 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Fiona
>>> 
>>> To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.  However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally meet up.  I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Martin
>>> 
>>> Martin Kempton - television lighting designer
>>> 9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire
>>> RG45 6EB
>>> mobile: 07721 550285
>>> website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com
>>> TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Martin
>>>> 
>>>> I came across your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.
>>>> 
>>>> I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked with whilst at Shepherds Bush.
>>>> 
>>>> I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.
>>>> Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)
>>>> 
>>>> Cell & WhatsApp:  +44 074 985 32580
>>>> CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:
>>>> F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY
>>>> F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN
>>>> GraFQ MaaJK MAKEOVERS
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 09:56:39 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 15:56:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
Message-ID: <dxhywysgxxqc9thr6fm1p7f3.1592924199127@email.android.com>

Thanks Nick, I didn't know that, although in any case my Sky box is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I will probably change it anyway.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Nick Rodger <nickrodger at mac.com> Date: 23/06/2020  15:30  (GMT+00:00) To: "vernon.dyer" <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com> Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website It used to be possible to purchase, for a one~time payment, a card that enables you to use a Sky box as a FreeSat box.?It used to be about ?25.00.?Nick Rodger?Cameraman?07971 007578?nickrodger at mac.com ?On 23 Jun 2020, at 14:02, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:?Here in Cornwall? (just), we haven't had BBC4 or News in HD for quite some time? (Caradon Hill transmitter. HD quality seems better via satellite anyway, I think, so use that for preference. If I ditch Sky subscription, which to be honest I rarely use these days, i'll be in the market for a Freesat receiver/recorder. Any advice, anyone?
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 10:32:17 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:32:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
In-Reply-To: <dxhywysgxxqc9thr6fm1p7f3.1592924199127@email.android.com>
References: <dxhywysgxxqc9thr6fm1p7f3.1592924199127@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <00ac01d64973$7a7e42d0$6f7ac870$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

I believe if you call sky and cancel your subscription, they ?convert? your card to FreeSat for free! The ?20 charge is for a blank card that is programmed for Freesat.

Good as a stop gap if nothing else. Some channels are totally free to air (and do not require any viewing card), most are free to view , but not free to air, so require a FreeSat Card.

Paul

 

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of vernon.dyer via Tech1
Sent: 23 June 2020 15:57
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website

 

Thanks Nick, I didn't know that, although in any case my Sky box is getting a bit long in the tooth, so I will probably change it anyway. 

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------

From: Nick Rodger <nickrodger at mac.com <mailto:nickrodger at mac.com> > 

Date: 23/06/2020 15:30 (GMT+00:00) 

To: "vernon.dyer" <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com <mailto:vernon.dyer at btinternet.com> > 

Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website 

 

It used to be possible to purchase, for a one~time payment, a card that enables you to use a Sky box as a FreeSat box. 

It used to be about ?25.00. 

Nick Rodger 

Cameraman 

07971 007578 

nickrodger at mac.com <mailto:nickrodger at mac.com>   

 

 

 

 

 


On 23 Jun 2020, at 14:02, vernon.dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

?

 

Here in Cornwall  (just), we haven't had BBC4 or News in HD for quite some time  (Caradon Hill transmitter. HD quality seems better via satellite anyway, I think, so use that for preference. If I ditch Sky subscription, which to be honest I rarely use these days, i'll be in the market for a Freesat receiver/recorder. Any advice, anyone?

 

 

 

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From doug.prior65 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 10:46:06 2020
From: doug.prior65 at gmail.com (douglas prior)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:46:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
In-Reply-To: <3c7978c2-07b9-47e5-9589-fa7a2d3ffeb8@Spark>
References: <CANY=9EhpGtcf5bi1YF+FnQLdz5WDaQx_N3RxQXpHOCtMeLOzEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<b160b4a6-bef5-7183-f4fb-b060061690ab@gmail.com>
	<C796FEB4-63C7-4D93-8B66-3F52F5166193@btinternet.com>
	<781e16a5-ef06-44c6-a3ce-60ecce701dee@Spark>
	<5c5c5616-fc00-ce85-a0a8-3c52e1f4a0f6@btinternet.com>
	<3c7978c2-07b9-47e5-9589-fa7a2d3ffeb8@Spark>
Message-ID: <CAN+hmhvjX=+1kz1XvM7mGERJfWfYDrxf7w9o8B-xPYnsVyLMuw@mail.gmail.com>

BBC NewsHD is on com7 and BBC4 HD on com8 multiplexes on rf channels 55 and
56 at low power and only from widely spaced main tx stations so unlikely to
be on a relay!
Ironically where you phone will get its TV in the future.
Doug Prior

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020, 12:41
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>


Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested it
to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they don?t
know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a new
aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely do it.
As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham suggests
when News was on it but not since the change.

I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6 miles
away.

Thanks fo your link I?ll have a look at it.

Tony B
On 23 Jun 2020, 11:26 +0100, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com>, wrote:

I lost all of my HD channels some time ago and then discovered that
multiplexes 7 and 8 had moved up to Ch.55/56 (from Crystal Palace). In June
Mux 8 was switched off ch.56! I had to buy a wideband aerial to get them,
apparently, they may move again in 2022! Check out the brilliant website -
www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge - for all you need to know! Cheers, Dave
On 23/06/2020 11:03, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:

I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC
News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can
get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the
programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really
annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and
particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen
in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all
channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up.

So I, too, would like a solution.

Tony B
On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
<tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:

Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News
BEST wishes to all.
BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)

*Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018) *

The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD
channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying
correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers
experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue
is resolved:

   1. Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune
   back
   2. Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check
   if the channels can now be received
   3. Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan

If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require
to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd

*Panasonic devices *

Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might
struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are
implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may
either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.  BBC SD
services will be unaffected.  Impacted viewers with an internet-connected
smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch
all our channels via BBC iPlayer.

For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected,
please visit https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1
Sent from my iPhone

On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

Forwarded - can anyone help?

B



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
From: Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com> <mktvld at gmail.com>
To: Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
CC: bernie833 at gmail.com

Hi Fiona

To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that
generation.  However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do
communicate and occasionally meet up.  I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in
the hope he might be able to help you.

Good luck!

Martin

*Martin Kempton - television lighting designer*
*9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire*


*RG45 6EB mobile: 07721 550285 website with CV and other information:*
*www.martinkempton.com
<http://www.martinkempton.com/>*
*TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk
<http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk>*


On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com>
wrote:

> *Hi Martin*
>
> *I came across your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a
> Photographic Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist
> name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first
> camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when
> BBC moved into the building.*
>
> *I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that
> he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/
> Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have
> discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably
> trained or some of the people he would have worked with whilst at Shepherds
> Bush.*
>
> *I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any
> leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.*
>
> *Thank you. E**njoy your day further and go well.*
> *Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)*
>
> Cell
> & WhatsApp:
>  *+44 074 985 32580*
> *CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:*
>
>    - *F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY
>    <http://www.facebook.com/FinhOfTheLensPHOTOGRAPHYZA/>*
>    - *F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN <https://www.facebook.com/FOTLGrafikDesign/>*
>    - *GraFQ MaaJK MAKEOVERS
>    <https://www.facebook.com/GraaFQMaaJKMAAKEOVERSZA/>*
>
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 10:46:25 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:46:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Freeview Channels
Message-ID: <001d01d64975$73d37ed0$5b7a7c70$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Looking at the Freeview website there are a number of channel changes due to
the government spectrum sell-off.

 

https://www.freeview.co.uk/help/22-jun-2020-channel-broadcast-changes

 

Rob

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 10:54:53 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:54:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
In-Reply-To: <CAN+hmhvjX=+1kz1XvM7mGERJfWfYDrxf7w9o8B-xPYnsVyLMuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANY=9EhpGtcf5bi1YF+FnQLdz5WDaQx_N3RxQXpHOCtMeLOzEw@mail.gmail.com>	<b160b4a6-bef5-7183-f4fb-b060061690ab@gmail.com>	<C796FEB4-63C7-4D93-8B66-3F52F5166193@btinternet.com>	<781e16a5-ef06-44c6-a3ce-60ecce701dee@Spark>	<5c5c5616-fc00-ce85-a0a8-3c52e1f4a0f6@btinternet.com>	<3c7978c2-07b9-47e5-9589-fa7a2d3ffeb8@Spark>
	<CAN+hmhvjX=+1kz1XvM7mGERJfWfYDrxf7w9o8B-xPYnsVyLMuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c101d64976$a28b3910$e7a1ab30$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Or if you believe the nutters, the cause of Covid 19 (5G!)? not sure why BBC 4 HD does not cause a virus but mobile telephony on the same frequency does??

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of douglas prior via Tech1
Sent: 23 June 2020 16:46
To: tech1 at tech-ops co. uk <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website

 

BBC NewsHD is on com7 and BBC4 HD on com8 multiplexes on rf channels 55 and 56 at low power and only from widely spaced main tx stations so unlikely to be on a relay!

Ironically where you phone will get its TV in the future.

Doug Prior

 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020, 12:41
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> >, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com> >

 

Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested it to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they don?t know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a new aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely do it. As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham suggests when News was on it but not since the change.

I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6 miles away.

Thanks fo your link I?ll have a look at it.

Tony B

On 23 Jun 2020, 11:26 +0100, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com> >, wrote:



I lost all of my HD channels some time ago and then discovered that multiplexes 7 and 8 had moved up to Ch.55/56 (from Crystal Palace). In June Mux 8 was switched off ch.56! I had to buy a wideband aerial to get them, apparently, they may move again in 2022! Check out the brilliant website - www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge>  - for all you need to know! Cheers, Dave

On 23/06/2020 11:03, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:

I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up. 

So I, too, would like a solution.

Tony B

On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1  <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:



Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News  

BEST wishes to all. 




BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)


Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018) 

The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:

1.	Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
2.	Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
3.	Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan

If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website -  <http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd> http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd

Panasonic devices 

Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.  BBC SD services will be unaffected.  Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.

For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit  <https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1> https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1

Sent from my iPhone


On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

Forwarded - can anyone help?

B



-------- Forwarded Message -------- 


Subject:

Re: Your History of Television Studios website


Date:

Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100


From:

Martin Kempton  <mailto:mktvld at gmail.com> <mktvld at gmail.com>


To:

Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay  <mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com> <alebasifinh at gmail.com>


CC:

bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com> 

 

Hi Fiona 

 

To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.  However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally meet up.  I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.

 

Good luck!

 

Martin




Martin Kempton - television lighting designer

9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire

RG45 6EB
mobile: 07721 550285
website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com <http://www.martinkempton.com/> 

TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk <http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk> 

 

 

On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com <mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi Martin

 

I came across your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.

 

I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked with whilst at Shepherds Bush.

 

I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.

 

Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.

Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)

 

Cell 

& WhatsApp:

 +44 074 985 32580

CONNECT ON SOCIAL MEDIA:

*	F O T L PHOTOGRAPHY <http://www.facebook.com/FinhOfTheLensPHOTOGRAPHYZA/> 
*	F O T L GRAFIK DESIGN <https://www.facebook.com/FOTLGrafikDesign/> 
*	GraFQ <https://www.facebook.com/GraaFQMaaJKMAAKEOVERSZA/>  MaaJK MAKEOVERS

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 11:11:10 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 17:11:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 3D printing needed
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Hi Chaps

My neighbour and I have a need for a dozen of these? - 
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2624188 .? Reasonable rates and 
postage paid, if anyone has a printer they'd like to exercise.

cheers

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jun 23 11:36:50 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 17:36:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] 3D printing needed
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Looks fairly easy to print.

Do I assume that it merely locates the load cell - it doesn't have to 
bear any weight?

Any particular material required? PLA? Tough PLA? Polycarbonate, etc?

Chris Woolf

On 23/06/2020 17:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Chaps
>
> My neighbour and I have a need for a dozen of these? - 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2624188 .? Reasonable rates and 
> postage paid, if anyone has a printer they'd like to exercise.
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> cheers
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> B
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 12:39:57 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 17:39:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down pictures and where to put the horizon
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 Great pictures Geoff,
My preference is for the first one, because the clouds form a naturally elliptical composition which keeps the eye within the frame. The poppies are very pretty, but they haven't bothered to form a composition. Clever clouds. Silly flowers.
The thing about rules, Geoff, as we all know, is that they are there to be broken - preferably smashed to smithereens. But the trick is to break them deliberately, for artistic effect, rather than breaking them accidentally, because you didn't know they were there. The one rule you mustn't break is - Always put things where you, personally, think they look nicest! (Unless the Director wants something different, in which case you obey orders on the initial blocking but, during subsequent rehearsals, sneak it back towards what you wanted in the first place! Probably a good job that I've retired.)
Horizon Lines - The problem with any straight line passing through a rectangular frame is that, if its too close to the middle, it'll chop your image into two separate pictures. This, I would suggest, is the problem with your Shot Three: a nice picture of poppies and a nice picture of clouds (although not as nice as shot one) but nothing holding the two halves together. It could almost be a split-screen.
Traditional way of avoiding this problem -?1: Exclude the horizon-line from frame.2: Place the horizon-line very close to the top or bottom of frame - it then ceases to be a dividing line, and becomes a border, helping to keep the eye within the frame.3: Place the horizon-line on the Golden Section. This is where the ratio between the smaller bit and the larger bit is equal to the ratio between the larger bit and the whole frame. In a way that makes a sort of intuitive sense, but I am unable to explain logically, this is supposed to merge the two disparate elements into a single coherent composition.Obviously, no cameraman puts a ruler across his viewfinder to measure the Golden Section. You just put the horizon-line where it looks nicest. But if you were to measure your picture, after the event, you'd probably be surprised how close you were. It does seem to work. And it's an amazingly effective way of concealing a split-screen!
Art Historians will tell you that this was discovered by the Greeks, who built their temples following this proportion. Like most things said by Art Historians, it is likely to be complete rubbish! In my misspent youth, I measured pictures of Greek temples, and failed to find any confirmation.
But, if you like mathematical puzzles, the Golden Section ratio is a delightful number to play games with. Usually represented by the Greek letter phi (?), it is approximately equal to 2/3, closer to 3/5, even closer to 5/8, yet closer to 8/13, closer still to 13/21, etc. No, I haven't remembered these numbers, I'm making them up as I go along. Each new number is the sum of the previous two numbers. This is known as Fibonacci's Series, an apparently completely pointless string of numbers, whose ratios grow ever closer to the Golden Section Ratio.It's the only number I know which can be raised to powers of itself, simply by addition or subtraction. E.g. 1 -??? =??? squared, 1+??? = 1/??.If you start Fibonacci's Series with 1 and???, all subsequently terms will be increasing negative powers of??.Play with this number long?enough and you'll go mad, and start measuring pictures of Greek temples.
luv, Rog.

    On Tuesday, 23 June 2020, 12:30:34 BST, <geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
A choice of viewing for you on the subject of where to put the horizon line in photos of land (or sea) and sky. Lower third, upper third or straight down the middle?

 ?

The poppies looked great as did the sky, so which deserved a larger share of the frame? How to satisfy Roger's rule about observing the Golden Section and Mr Nevsky and his followers at the same time?

 ?

If anyone is inclined to see them and take an offering of their own, the poppies are still there about a mile from Chesham town centre. OS Explorer 181, Ref SP 942 023. It?s a pleasant walk across the fields with plenty of space to keep away from other people. You can drive but it?s a single track road and parking is limited. Full directions available on request,

 ?

Geoff Hawkes

 ?

-----Original Message-----
From: John Nottage <jpn at imixmics.co.uk> 
Sent: 19 June 2020 12:59
To: geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watership Down

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I imagined you would have seen Alexander Nevsky?

 ?

Try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpVtoUFKZ7w from about 57 mins in are some good examples.

5% land 95% sky - fantastic shots!

 ?

John

 ?

On 19/06/2020 10:57, geoffreyhawkes at btinternet.com wrote:

> ...what would he have said to Roger, enlighten us John, please, Geoff

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of John Nottage 

> via Tech1

> Sent: 19 June 2020 10:24

> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk

> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watership Down

> 

> Try telling that to Sergei Eisenstein...

> 

> John

> 

> On 19/06/2020 09:16, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:

>>??? "It?s not easy to decide how much sky to include and where to put 

>> the horizon line."

>> ?

>> On the Golden Section, Geoff! Usually on the Golden Section. 

>> (0.618034 or 0.381966) They must have covered that when filling in 

>> your Ration Book? (I know, it's a long time ago now!)

>> ?

>> luv, Rog.

>> ?

>> On Thursday, 18 June 2020, 15:05:23 BST, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 

>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

>> ?

>> ?

>> Nice pictures Alec, I particularly liked the one second from bottom 

>> where you have included lots of sky with clouds. It?s not easy to 

>> decide how much sky to include and where to put the horizon line. I 

>> usually think in thirds rather than a fifty-fifty split but yours works well.

>> Skies are important and Constable is said to have painted one every day.

>> ?

>> I hope Chester is enjoying lots of sniffs on your country walks. I?ve 

>> not taken my daughter?s dog, Summer out since lockdown but she?s been 

>> bringing her here so she can have a run in our orchard and I can see 

>> her. She loves chasing after a ball when I fling it for her and can 

>> find it even if it lands out of sight. She brings it back to show me 

>> proudly that she has it, but won?t drop it till I offer her another 

>> one that she prefers and will leap high in the air to try and grab it off me.

>> ?

>> As John said, dogs are good for you mental health and Summer cheers 

>> me up no end. I hope his old Joey is enjoying life too,

>> ?

>> *Geoff*

>> ?

>> *From:*Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> *On Behalf Of *Alec Bray 

>> via

>> Tech1

>> *Sent:* 17 June 2020 16:31

>> *To:* Tech Ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>

>> *Subject:* [Tech1] Watership Down

>> ?

>> Hi everyone,

>> ?

>> Some 8 miles away from our home is Watership Down.? It is a real place!

>> ?

>> A bridle path called the Wayfarers' Walk runs along the ridge of the 

>> Down. So today, Chester went on his walk to Watership Down.

>> ?

>> This is a view of the top of Watership Down from the pathway.

>> ?

>> You may remember that there was an animated film of "Watership Down", 

>> the story.? (this was properly done, with animated rabbits: not the 

>> recent attempt which had critters that looked like hares!)? Here is a 

>> still from the movie:

>> ?

>> The backgrounds for the animation were water colours. ?Most of the 

>> locations in the movie either existed or were based on real spots in 

>> Hampshire and surrounding areas, although since that time, some of 

>> the landscape has changed. In may ways it seemed quite different to 

>> the time, many years ago, when I and my wife trudged up the pathway 

>> with our two girls.

>> ?

>> The film's title song was "Bright Eyes"?? (why do you turn so pale? no

>> phantom power)

>> ?

>> The film /Watership Down/ was first released to the UK on 19 October 1978.

>> ?

>> It was very muggy on top of the ridge today, and Chester was feeling 

>> the heat - look at that long tongue hanging out! We walked back 

>> slowly, keeping in the shade.

>> ?

>> All the land around belongs to the Balding family - it's where Clare 

>> Balding grew up? - and this next view looks across part of the 

>> Balding estate.

>> ?

>> There are gallops on both sides of the ridge, and part of the land is 

>> used for? horse eventing (Cross Country)? - I have, some years back, 

>> jump judged at this course.? The instructions for the jump judging 

>> included this from Ian Balding:: "keep off the gallops!"

>> ?

>> Some people like to navigate by Pubs, others by Churches.? For those 

>> of you who like to navigate by transmitters, Watership Down is along 

>> a track on the opposite side of the Kingsclere-Overton road to the 

>> Hannington transmitter.

>> ?

>> --

>> ?

>> Best Regards

>> ?

>>???? 

>> ?

>> Alec

>> ?

>>???? 

>> ?

>> Alec Bray

>> ?

>>???? 

>> ?

>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com? <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com>

>> ?

>> mob:??? 07789 561 346

>> ?

>> home:?? 0118 981 7502

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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue Jun 23 15:14:54 2020
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Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 20:14:54 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down pictures and where to put the horizon
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When talking framing and composition, using your viewfinder, I have always passed on what I was told early on in my career: 'There is only one rule for pictorial framing/composition - if it looks right, it is right.' I could bore you all to pieces by how I use to delve into the difference between framing and composition when running workshops, trying courses, etc. but you've heard it all before!

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 16:16:05 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 21:16:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Watership Down pictures and where to put the horizon
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 Of course, as definition increases, it will be possible to blow the image up to cover a whole wall.?The picture will fill your field of view.?Then the whole concept of a "Frame" will no longer apply, and with it will go all our concepts of framing and composition. A range of new "rules" will have to be invented.
Except for those who still want to watch things on their phones.
luv, Rog.
    On Tuesday, 23 June 2020, 21:15:30 BST, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 When talking framing and composition, using your viewfinder, I have always passed on what I was told early on in my career: 'There is only one rule for pictorial framing/composition - if it looks right, it is right.' I could bore you all to pieces by how I use to delve into the difference between framing and composition when running workshops, trying courses, etc. but you've heard it all before!

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From mibridge at mac.com  Tue Jun 23 17:10:51 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 23:10:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Your History of Television Studios website
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It?s certainly the case that satellites from CP may not carry the full set of channels. Our local transmitter is across the A24 from Mickleham, but we chose CP direct because amongst other things, some of the kids channels were missing, which doesn?t really matter now that our grandchildren are no longer small. I haven?t checked recently, but I recall the list being quite limited, so I?ve stuck with CP as our aerial is in the loft and would need to be remounted in order to swing it towards Mickleham anyway. We get a very usable feed, although we?re in the shadow of Box Hill, particularly at present when there are few aircraft to disrupt the signal. That being said, when there is aircraft disturbance, it affects the HD more than SD, which I suppose is to be expected and as I sit quite a long way from the screen I can?t honestly say that HD helps much, so I tend to stick with SD because the worse disturbance on HD causes greater levels of discussion! I only bother with HD if I sit a bit closer for something in particular.

Mike G

> On 23 Jun 2020, at 16:46, douglas prior via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> BBC NewsHD is on com7 and BBC4 HD on com8 multiplexes on rf channels 55 and 56 at low power and only from widely spaced main tx stations so unlikely to be on a relay!
> Ironically where you phone will get its TV in the future.
> Doug Prior
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Tony Briselden via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020, 12:41
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Re: Your History of Television Studios website
> To: <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>>
> 
> 
> Interested that you say it could be an aerial problem. I have suggested it to several people who have all said basically Rubbish! Clearly they don?t know as much as I thought. Despite that I had considered getting a new aerial anyway as mine is donkey?s years old so now I?ll definitely do it. As an aside I certainly had channel 106 originally as Pat Heigham suggests when News was on it but not since the change.
> 
> I receive from Crystal Palace but via a local mast which is about 6 miles away.
> 
> Thanks fo your link I?ll have a look at it.
> 
> Tony B
> On 23 Jun 2020, 11:26 +0100, dave.mdv <dave.mdv at btinternet.com <mailto:dave.mdv at btinternet.com>>, wrote:
>> I lost all of my HD channels some time ago and then discovered that multiplexes 7 and 8 had moved up to Ch.55/56 (from Crystal Palace). In June Mux 8 was switched off ch.56! I had to buy a wideband aerial to get them, apparently, they may move again in 2022! Check out the brilliant website - www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge <http://www.aerialsandtv.com/knowledge> - for all you need to know! Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> On 23/06/2020 11:03, Tony Briselden via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I?m not on Freesat but I have the same issue on Freeview. Can't get BBC News channel as HD but that doesn?t bother me too much as at least I can get it on channel 231 and don?t think HD is necessary for News and the programmes on the channel, not for me anyway. The one thing that really annoys me is that I can?t get BBC 4 as HD. I watch a lot of programmes and particularly the foreign films which are excellent and deserve being seen in HD. Ever since the changes came in I?ve been doing retunes of all channels but neither of the two channels I want with HD turn up. 
>>> 
>>> So I, too, would like a solution.
>>> 
>>> Tony B
>>> On 22 Jun 2020, 09:21 +0100, Ravenscourt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>, wrote:
>>>> Anyone with this problem? I can?t get Freesat BBC News 
>>>> BEST wishes to all. 
>>>> BBC HD Service Update (October 2018)
>>>> 
>>>> Service Update: BBC HD Transponder Update (October, 2018) 
>>>> 
>>>> The BBC have made some changes to the transponders carrying their HD channels, which could result in some BBC HD channels not displaying correctly, or showing signs that they have lost signal. Customers experiencing this issue are advised to follow these steps until the issue is resolved:
>>>> 
>>>> Change channels, and check if the issue is resolved when they tune back
>>>> Remove power from their product, then re-connect and re-start; check if the channels can now be received
>>>> Carry out a Freesat Channel Scan
>>>> If the issue continues, then your satellite dish installation may require to be checked. More information is available via the BBC website - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd <http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/aboutthebbc/entries/7a69712a-5942-4792-af89-99f73c731bbd>
>>>> 
>>>> Panasonic devices 
>>>> 
>>>> Please note that some older Panasonic Freesat PVR devices and TVs might struggle to handle the revised DVB-S2 transmission mode the BBC are implementing. The potential impact of this is that BBC HD services may either suffer from reception issues or have no reception at all.  BBC SD services will be unaffected.  Impacted viewers with an internet-connected smart TV and a sufficient-speed broadband line will still be able to watch all our channels via BBC iPlayer.
>>>> 
>>>> For more information and a full list of the Panasonic devices affected, please visit https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1 <https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/FAQs#faqitem-3-1>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 Jun 2020, at 15:54, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Forwarded - can anyone help?
>>>>> 
>>>>> B
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>>>>> Subject:	Re: Your History of Television Studios website
>>>>> Date:	Thu, 18 Jun 2020 10:46:37 +0100
>>>>> From:	Martin Kempton <mktvld at gmail.com> <mailto:mktvld at gmail.com>
>>>>> To:	Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com> <mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com>
>>>>> CC:	bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Fiona
>>>>> 
>>>>> To be honest, I'm not really in touch with any of the cameramen of that generation.  However, there is a group of ex-cameramen friends who do communicate and occasionally meet up.  I'm copying-in Bernard Newnham, in the hope he might be able to help you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin
>>>>> 
>>>>> Martin Kempton - television lighting designer
>>>>> 9, Bramley Grove, Crowthorne, Berkshire
>>>>> RG45 6EB
>>>>> mobile: 07721 550285
>>>>> website with CV and other information: www.martinkempton.com <http://www.martinkempton.com/>
>>>>> TV Studio History website: www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk <http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/>
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2020 at 19:07, Fiona Isabel Nairn-Hay <alebasifinh at gmail.com <mailto:alebasifinh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Martin
>>>>> 
>>>>> I came across your website whilst researching my Fathers' career as a Photographic Journalist in News and Current Affairs. My Father (Journalist name Jack Hay) was also an ex BBC Cameraman who trained most of the first camera crews to workout from and pass through Shepherds Bush Studios when BBC moved into the building.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have found little history of his varied career. However, I do know that he was part of a group of long standing friends which included Journalist/ Newscaster Sandy Gall. I am writing with hope that you might have discovered some of the camera operators which my Father most probably trained or some of the people he would have worked with whilst at Shepherds Bush.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know this is an extremely 'long shot'! However, I would appreciate any leads which you may know of and discretion is assured.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you. Enjoy your day further and go well.
>>>>> Fiona Nairn-Hay (Finh Of The Lens)
>>>>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 23 18:31:23 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 00:31:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Crystal Palace
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Just recently Sky News on channel 233 has become unwatchable 
(technically!) as the signal strength and quality have both dived but 
BBC News on 231 is perfectly fine. Looking at the transmitter 
information site it mentions that CP may have a weak signal. Anybody 
know why? Cheers, Dave



From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 24 04:07:06 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:07:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] TVC at 60
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Royal Television Society's celebration of TV Centre's 60 Anniversary, in super-lock-down-scope, soon to have its gala, red-carpet premiere on YouTube.
https://rts.org.uk/event/tvc60

luv, Rog.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jun 24 04:12:33 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 10:12:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TVC at 60
In-Reply-To: <1785206770.5170368.1592989626151@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1785206770.5170368.1592989626151@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B4082D97-A2DD-4CC6-9C28-70BA21DC5B56@icloud.com>

I haven?t got a red carpet, does that matter?

Graeme Wall

> On 24 Jun 2020, at 10:07, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Royal Television Society's celebration of TV Centre's 60 Anniversary, in super-lock-down-scope, soon to have its gala, red-carpet premiere on YouTube.
> 
> https://rts.org.uk/event/tvc60
> 
> luv, Rog.
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Jun 24 10:09:26 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:09:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] TVC at 60
In-Reply-To: <B4082D97-A2DD-4CC6-9C28-70BA21DC5B56@icloud.com>
References: <1785206770.5170368.1592989626151@mail.yahoo.com>
	<B4082D97-A2DD-4CC6-9C28-70BA21DC5B56@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <1278867109.5554956.1593011366156@mail.yahoo.com>

 Just spilt some blood on the floor boards, you should be fine.luv, Rog.
    On Wednesday, 24 June 2020, 10:12:41 BST, Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com> wrote:  
 
 I haven?t got a red carpet, does that matter?

Graeme Wall

On 24 Jun 2020, at 10:07, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:



?Royal Television Society's celebration of TV Centre's 60 Anniversary, in super-lock-down-scope, soon to have its gala, red-carpet premiere on YouTube.
https://rts.org.uk/event/tvc60

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 05:44:34 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 11:44:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TC at 60
Message-ID: <0574c3fc-7801-2624-e99c-3acffa2ae4f7@gmail.com>

Terry Hylton, late of BBC Graphics, is offering his poster from the 
original cut away -

https://www.etsy.com/uk/SunhouseArt/listing/586330539/bbc-television-centre-architects-drawing?utm_source=Copy&utm_medium=ListingManager&utm_campaign=Share&utm_term=so.lmsm&share_time=1592999062215

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 05:48:45 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 11:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Swanning about
Message-ID: <b7854537-860b-b1c8-8aba-854c06b3bf66@gmail.com>

HI all,

On Tuesday (23rd June) we borrowed daughter Lucy's dog Chester once 
again, and we went to the Kennet and Avon Canal (Kennet Navigation) at 
Woolhampton.

Chester and I tried to set of along the towpath, but as my wife was 
sitting on a bench by the lock (she is not very mobile) , Chester 
planted all four feet firmly down in a very "I am not moving " stance.? 
Eventually, I had to pick him up and carry him some way along the 
towpath - and then everything was fine!

But there were so many cyclists and walkers along the towpath that it 
was becoming tedious to keep trying to step into a suitable patch 
alongside the path (that is, one without nettles, a steep slope or water 
- or all three), so when an opportunity beckoned to take another 
footpath, we chose that route....

... to somewhere I had never been before!? This led to a lake - and? I 
was quite enchanted!



This piccy is for you all to crit the framing!? (Bear in mind, one 
handed operation of phone camera, trying to see the picture when glasses 
had darkened? (photochromic varifocals) and the picture all but 
impossible to view because of the sun!)


As we came to the end of the lake, there were a family of swans setting 
out for an excursion.? It was really like that!? Getting everyone in 
place, mother and father marshalling the tots - it was just like a 
family like us going on a picnic!? Once they were ready, they set out - 
and came very close, not really bothered by me or Chester - one very 
subdued hiss each from the cob and the pen, and they carried on serenely.


The pen was actually carrying one cygnet on her back!



I can't recall ever before having seen a swan family getting organised 
in this way then going on an excursion as a complete family.



For those of you who know the area, here's a satellite picture of the 
area: Sorry about the blue markers.



-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Jun 25 06:03:05 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 12:03:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Swanning about
In-Reply-To: <b7854537-860b-b1c8-8aba-854c06b3bf66@gmail.com>
References: <b7854537-860b-b1c8-8aba-854c06b3bf66@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0210DE93-9FBD-4A4A-8F5E-D93ED4A0FF1B@icloud.com>

Very nice Alex, but where is Chester?

Graeme Wall

> On 25 Jun 2020, at 11:49, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> HI all,
> 
> On Tuesday (23rd June) we borrowed daughter Lucy's dog Chester once again, and we went to the Kennet and Avon Canal (Kennet Navigation) at Woolhampton.
> 
> Chester and I tried to set of along the towpath, but as my wife was sitting on a bench by the lock (she is not very mobile) , Chester planted all four feet firmly down in a very "I am not moving " stance.  Eventually, I had to pick him up and carry him some way along the towpath - and then everything was fine!
> 
> But there were so many cyclists and walkers along the towpath that it was becoming tedious to keep trying to step into a suitable patch alongside the path (that is, one without nettles, a steep slope or water - or all three), so when an opportunity beckoned to take another footpath, we chose that route....
> 
> ... to somewhere I had never been before!  This led to a lake - and  I was quite enchanted!
> 
> 
> 
> <likdoponemliagcc.png>
> 
> 
> 
> This piccy is for you all to crit the framing!  (Bear in mind, one handed operation of phone camera, trying to see the picture when glasses had darkened  (photochromic varifocals) and the picture all but impossible to view because of the sun!)
> 
> 
> 
> As we came to the end of the lake, there were a family of swans setting out for an excursion.  It was really like that!  Getting everyone in place, mother and father marshalling the tots - it was just like a family like us going on a picnic!  Once they were ready, they set out - and came very close, not really bothered by me or Chester - one very subdued hiss each from the cob and the pen, and they carried on serenely.
> 
> <nombeglgddnbldio.png>
> 
> 
> 
> The pen was actually carrying one cygnet on her back!
> 
> <dckenaepjcgifcao.png>
> 
> 
> 
> <pcbcbamgppoedmik.png>
> 
> 
> 
> I can't recall ever before having seen a swan family getting organised in this way then going on an excursion as a complete family.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> For those of you who know the area, here's a satellite picture of the area: Sorry about the blue markers.
> 
> <hgdgkajhmadklkkf.png>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 06:09:41 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 12:09:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Swanning about
In-Reply-To: <0210DE93-9FBD-4A4A-8F5E-D93ED4A0FF1B@icloud.com>
References: <b7854537-860b-b1c8-8aba-854c06b3bf66@gmail.com>
	<0210DE93-9FBD-4A4A-8F5E-D93ED4A0FF1B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <f92a41f5-2af0-91f5-8518-4d6187a02d6f@gmail.com>

Hi all,

On 25/06/2020 12:03, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Very nice Alec, but where is Chester?

Here!


Chester at the Lakeside.

-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jun 25 09:08:02 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 15:08:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line - social and business.
Message-ID: <E50132C6D078441E851EF1DFEB2C4091@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Recently there was a fair amount of discussion amongst members on this topic, very particularly regarding ?Zoom?. I have no personal experience and know nothing about the subject but I thought the attached might be of interest to some.

It is lifted from a recent ?Which? report and although some of you may be members and will have seen it, others might find this useful. I?ve belonged to the Consumers Association for over 50 years so feel entitled to share a bit of ?Which? content from time to time. The format on my Word Document differs in places from the original but copying these types of web pages is a bit of a challenge (at least to me!).

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jun 25 10:23:53 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 16:23:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] False info
Message-ID: <5ef4c189.1c69fb81.da054.a76d@mx.google.com>

This is a quote from Microsoft News about possible ?air bridges? for holidaying after the lockdown.
Only, someone hasn?t done proper research. Reunion is not in the Caribbean but 420 miles east of Madagascar in the Indian Ocean.
(I?ve been there on a small cruise ship)
So what else can be inaccurate in these newsletters?

Pat

A second, larger set of countries is then expected to be unveiled next week, including business destinations such as Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland and Norway, as well as ?low risk? Caribbean islands like La Reunion, which Public Health England has identified as having minimal infections. There is also talk of one long-haul ?air bridge? with Australia, although this comes with complications around transiting in stop-over countries that the UK does not have an air bridge with.?

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Thu Jun 25 11:06:36 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:06:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TC at 60
In-Reply-To: <0574c3fc-7801-2624-e99c-3acffa2ae4f7@gmail.com>
References: <0574c3fc-7801-2624-e99c-3acffa2ae4f7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002001d64b0a$9a6f9b50$cf4ed1f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

I have a .JPG of this about 900Kb in size, if anyone wants it either because they have their own printing facilities or for PC back grounds use etc.

Possibly not ?restored? as per the listing, but was used to print some that were in the south hall at TVC!

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 25 June 2020 11:45
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] TC at 60

 

Terry Hylton, late of BBC Graphics, is offering his poster from the original cut away - 




https://www.etsy.com/uk/SunhouseArt/listing/586330539/bbc-television-centre-architects-drawing?utm_source=Copy <https://www.etsy.com/uk/SunhouseArt/listing/586330539/bbc-television-centre-architects-drawing?utm_source=Copy&utm_medium=ListingManager&utm_campaign=Share&utm_term=so.lmsm&share_time=1592999062215> &utm_medium=ListingManager&utm_campaign=Share&utm_term=so.lmsm&share_time=1592999062215
 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jun 25 11:33:17 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 17:33:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TC at 60
In-Reply-To: <002001d64b0a$9a6f9b50$cf4ed1f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <0574c3fc-7801-2624-e99c-3acffa2ae4f7@gmail.com>
	<002001d64b0a$9a6f9b50$cf4ed1f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F11C986A2C9C47FF9F2CFFFCAF3EC264@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

I have an HD JPG of this of some 29.5 Mb. I mentioned this in a post a couple of years ago at which time I provided Pat with a copy via We Transfer. Would be happy to repeat the exercise for anyone interested.

Dave Newbitt.

From: paul--- via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:06 PM
To: 'Bernard Newnham' 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TC at 60

I have a .JPG of this about 900Kb in size, if anyone wants it either because they have their own printing facilities or for PC back grounds use etc.

Possibly not ?restored? as per the listing, but was used to print some that were in the south hall at TVC!

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 25 June 2020 11:45
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] TC at 60

 

Terry Hylton, late of BBC Graphics, is offering his poster from the original cut away - 




https://www.etsy.com/uk/SunhouseArt/listing/586330539/bbc-television-centre-architects-drawing?utm_source=Copy&utm_medium=ListingManager&utm_campaign=Share&utm_term=so.lmsm&share_time=1592999062215 B 

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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Thu Jun 25 15:40:04 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:40:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Framing
Message-ID: <5F055301-71F2-4BB8-A481-500C413BB5D6@vincent68.plus.com>

Rod Taylors advice?

Go to the National Gallery.

John V

Sent from my iPad


From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 26 02:39:34 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 07:39:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line - social and business.
In-Reply-To: <E50132C6D078441E851EF1DFEB2C4091@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <E50132C6D078441E851EF1DFEB2C4091@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
Message-ID: <1035948323.6994150.1593157174069@mail.yahoo.com>

 I've noticed that people who do a lot of lockdown contact via Zoom/Skype etc. try to position themselves in front of a bookcase, in order to give the impression that they are well-read.I'm told, by someone much younger and trendier than I am, that this type of self-image is called a "Shelfie".
luv, Rog.
    On Thursday, 25 June 2020, 15:09:30 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Recently there was a fair amount of discussion amongst members on this topic, very particularly regarding ?Zoom?. I have no personal experience and know nothing about the subject but I thought the attached might be of interest to some.?It is lifted from a recent ?Which? report and although some of you may be members and will have seen it, others might find this useful. I?ve belonged to the Consumers Association for over 50 years so feel entitled to share a bit of ?Which? content from time to time. The format on my Word Document differs in places from the original but copying these types of web pages is a bit of a challenge (at least to me!).?Dave Newbitt-- 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Jun 26 03:01:56 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:01:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line - social and business.
In-Reply-To: <1035948323.6994150.1593157174069@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1035948323.6994150.1593157174069@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A0C2AEE8-FA8A-4EE4-AE13-60376E6BE7BE@mac.com>

I preferred to use a photo of Denbies Vineyard as a CSO style background, which Zoom seemed to do remarkably well without green screen or even a plain background, but if the session went on a bit, the reducing light levels made the switching signal indistinct and my wife and I would tend to disappear occasionally, especially if we moved, so sometimes one of us would disappear and not the other, and the would come back in parts, akin to the Cheshire cat?s grin!

Mike G

> On 26 Jun 2020, at 08:41, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I've noticed that people who do a lot of lockdown contact via Zoom/Skype etc. try to position themselves in front of a bookcase, in order to give the impression that they are well-read.
> I'm told, by someone much younger and trendier than I am, that this type of self-image is called a "Shelfie".
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Thursday, 25 June 2020, 15:09:30 BST, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Recently there was a fair amount of discussion amongst members on this topic, very particularly regarding ?Zoom?. I have no personal experience and know nothing about the subject but I thought the attached might be of interest to some.
>  
> It is lifted from a recent ?Which? report and although some of you may be members and will have seen it, others might find this useful. I?ve belonged to the Consumers Association for over 50 years so feel entitled to share a bit of ?Which? content from time to time. The format on my Word Document differs in places from the original but copying these types of web pages is a bit of a challenge (at least to me!).
>  
> Dave Newbitt
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun 26 03:52:09 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 09:52:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
In-Reply-To: <A0C2AEE8-FA8A-4EE4-AE13-60376E6BE7BE@mac.com>
References: <1035948323.6994150.1593157174069@mail.yahoo.com>
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Presumably, either of you disappear to fetch another bottle!

I find that the lockdown is having a detrimental effect on my credit cards ? funny how Majestic seems to recur frequently!
Denbies produces quite good wine, but expensive. I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling is winning medals over the French! Their vineyard tours @ ?3.50 - ?9.50  are informative and good value ? includes a sample glass ? if you wish one of sparkling, it?s an extra small cost, when I visited some years ago, which goes to the Devon & Cornwall Air Ambulance, a very worthy and necessary cause. https://www.camelvalley.com/tours

Where is the Mickleham transmitter mast, Mike, I drove along the A24, past your road, on Wed (only second time out since March) and couldn?t spot it.
 Nick?s report of trouble with his Humax box, does not affect my two friends, as both are fed via Broadband, so in effect ? cable.

Best
Pat

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I preferred to use a photo of Denbies Vineyard as a CSO style background, which Zoom seemed to do remarkably well without green screen or even a plain background, but if the session went on a bit, the reducing light levels made the switching signal indistinct and my wife and I would tend to disappear occasionally, especially if we moved, so sometimes one of us would disappear and not the other, and the would come back in parts, akin to the Cheshire cat?s grin!

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 26 04:03:20 2020
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:03:20 +0100
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Hi

On 26/06/2020 08:39, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> position themselves in front of a bookcase, in order to give the 
> impression that they are well-read.
One pundit on BBC-1 had a bookcase, and prominently displayed was a book 
by John Birt.? Obviously we gave that pundit little credit - so the 
bookcase scenario can obviously work against the impression that they 
want to give!

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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:07:37 +0100
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<cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you for hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more sugar to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before Dom Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 26 Jun 2020, at 09:52, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Presumably, either of you disappear to fetch another bottle!
>  
> I find that the lockdown is having a detrimental effect on my credit cards ? funny how Majestic seems to recur frequently!
> Denbies produces quite good wine, but expensive. I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling is winning medals over the French! Their vineyard tours @ ?3.50 - ?9.50  are informative and good value ? includes a sample glass ? if you wish one of sparkling, it?s an extra small cost, when I visited some years ago, which goes to the Devon & Cornwall Air Ambulance, a very worthy and necessary cause. https://www.camelvalley.com/tours
>  
> Where is the Mickleham transmitter mast, Mike, I drove along the A24, past your road, on Wed (only second time out since March) and couldn?t spot it.
> Nick?s report of trouble with his Humax box, does not affect my two friends, as both are fed via Broadband, so in effect ? cable.
>  
> Best
> Pat
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> I preferred to use a photo of Denbies Vineyard as a CSO style background, which Zoom seemed to do remarkably well without green screen or even a plain background, but if the session went on a bit, the reducing light levels made the switching signal indistinct and my wife and I would tend to disappear occasionally, especially if we moved, so sometimes one of us would disappear and not the other, and the would come back in parts, akin to the Cheshire cat?s grin!
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jun 26 04:31:06 2020
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Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:31:06 +0100
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On 26/06/2020 09:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> ..I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise 
> sparkling is winning medals over the French!

Indeed - just up the road from us. And since my wife knew Bob Lindo well 
he gave us a case of his pinot noir fizz for our wedding;}

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun 26 04:35:45 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:35:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] where to put the horizon line
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Watched a Hitchcock movie on TV the other night ? ?Torn Curtain?.
There was a wide shot across flat fields where the hero meets his contact ? the horizon was pretty well on the centre line.
But I guess it?s what the shot is supposed to say. If a film shot in Texas, for instance, needs to stress the wide skies, then the horizon line goes on the bottom third. Conversely, if a real sea horizon is placed on the top third, it would indicate that the poor blighters in a boat are sinking and likely to drown! (?Skipper, will they reach us in time....??) Giving more weight to the water. As a later correspondent said ? ?If it looks right, it is right? but that depends on the eye of the beholder, and everyone has different thoughts!

Expanding a bit on framing and composition, having had an instructive tour of the IMAX installation at Waterloo, a viewing followed ? in 3D which was impressive, but what was more eyeball wrenching was a helicopter shot going over the edge of the Grand Canyon. (actually, more stomach turning!). A drama trailer didn?t work as CU?s of heads appearing the height of three double decker buses, just seemed ludicrous. So make use of the wide screen for wide shots!
Anyone remember the 3-strip Cinerama, with the rollercoaster ride?
The National Science and Media Museum at Bradford has a working three screen Cinerama, and there are DVD?s available of original Cinerama epics. For these, the restorers did a super job in blending the screen joins so there was no distortion as an object crossed between them. Two are in my library, in Blu-ray ? ?South Seas Adventure? and ?How the West Was Won?. Both very worth watching.

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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; 'ROGER BUNCE'; 'John Nottage'
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A choice of viewing for you on the subject of where to put the horizon line in photos of land (or sea) and sky. Lower third, upper third or straight down the middle?




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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 26 04:33:08 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 10:33:08 +0100
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Been looking for a long lens webcam. To put the background in soft focus.
;-)  


In article <de7b8a0f-f0fe-8a30-d7ca-9d0c4cf2ec37 at gmail.com>,
   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi

> On 26/06/2020 08:39, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> > position themselves in front of a bookcase, in order to give the 
> > impression that they are well-read.
> One pundit on BBC-1 had a bookcase, and prominently displayed was a book 
> by John Birt.  Obviously we gave that pundit little credit - so the 
> bookcase scenario can obviously work against the impression that they 
> want to give!

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun 26 06:17:37 2020
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I?ve never heard of ?Meriitt?,and nor, apparently has Google ? do you have a link for perusal?
But love the story of the sugar!
M?thode champenoise: a method of making sparkling wine by allowing the last stage of fermentation to take place in the bottle.
So I think that is perfectly valid ? Meriitt or not!
The French get (unreasonably) pedantic in insisting that only fizz from the Champagne region may be named as such.
Thus the method employed to produce exactly the same ?fizz? can only be referred to as ?methode? if not made in France.
If the UK is severing its ties with the EU, maybe it should consider protecting the names of Cheddar and Stilton cheeses?
And Melton Mowbray pork pies.

Instead of appellation d'origine contr?l?e (AOC) maybe the UK should think up something:
Maybe boring like Stilton (TM) (Trade Mark) etc.
Let?s have a competition ? think up an abbreviation to put on labels!

Bernie ? do not think of this thread as ?political? ? categorise it under ?Gastronomics? ?

Champagne story ? (Nick will groan, not Pat bleating on again about Bond films!)
007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me?
Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was the real stuff.
Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle.
Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you are naughty!?
Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. Lovely guy!

Best
Pat

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<cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you for hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more sugar to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before Dom Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.
? 
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I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling is winning medals over the French! 



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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jun 26 06:40:10 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 12:40:10 +0100
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Stilton and Melton Mowbray pies already have the same PDO protection as 
Champagne. The risk is ~losing~ that because of Brexit. The daft bit is 
that we insisted on the current Stilton techniques for the PDO, which 
actually rule out using the better flavoured raw milk - so that has to 
be called Stichelton - a bit of an own goal.

Cheddar can't be protected because it is a ~method~ of making cheese, 
and the rest of the world has been doing "cheddaring" for more than a 
century.

Chris Woolf


On 26/06/2020 12:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> I?ve never heard of ?Meriitt?,and nor, apparently has Google ? do you 
> have a link for perusal?
>
> But love the story of the sugar!
>
> /M?thode champenoise: //a method of making sparkling wine by allowing 
> the last stage of fermentation to take place in the bottle./
>
> So I think that is perfectly valid ? Meriitt or not!
>
> The French get (unreasonably) pedantic in insisting that only fizz 
> from the Champagne region may be named as such.
>
> Thus the method employed to produce exactly the same ?fizz? can only 
> be referred to as ?methode? if not made in France.
>
> If the UK is severing its ties with the EU, maybe it should consider 
> protecting the names of Cheddar and Stilton cheeses?
>
> And Melton Mowbray pork pies.
>
> Instead of appellation d'origine contr?l?e (AOC) maybe the UK should 
> think up something:
>
> Maybe boring like Stilton ^(TM) (Trade Mark) etc.
>
> Let?s have a competition ? think up an abbreviation to put on labels!
>
> Bernie ? do not think of this thread as ?political? ? categorise it 
> under ?Gastronomics? ?
>
> Champagne story ? (Nick will groan, not Pat bleating on again about 
> Bond films!)
>
> 007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me?
> Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the 
> villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once 
> surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon 
> champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it 
> was the real stuff.
>
> Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle 
> please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? 
> belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always _after_ opening 
> the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle.
>
> Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the 
> director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis 
> grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you /are/ naughty!?
>
> Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the 
> actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the 
> champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should 
> have a taste. Lovely guy!
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
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> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
>
> <cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you 
> for hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more 
> sugar to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before 
> Dom Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.
>
> ?
>
> Graeme Wall
>
> I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise 
> sparkling is winning medals over the French!
>
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I seem to have heard that story before somewhere, probably on this forum?..

 

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I?ve never heard of ?Meriitt?,and nor, apparently has Google ? do you have a link for perusal?

But love the story of the sugar!

M?thode champenoise: a method of making sparkling wine by allowing the last stage of fermentation to take place in the bottle.

So I think that is perfectly valid ? Meriitt or not!

The French get (unreasonably) pedantic in insisting that only fizz from the Champagne region may be named as such.

Thus the method employed to produce exactly the same ?fizz? can only be referred to as ?methode? if not made in France.

If the UK is severing its ties with the EU, maybe it should consider protecting the names of Cheddar and Stilton cheeses?

And Melton Mowbray pork pies.

 

Instead of appellation d'origine contr?l?e (AOC) maybe the UK should think up something:

Maybe boring like Stilton (TM) (Trade Mark) etc.

Let?s have a competition ? think up an abbreviation to put on labels!

 

Bernie ? do not think of this thread as ?political? ? categorise it under ?Gastronomics? ?

 

Champagne story ? (Nick will groan, not Pat bleating on again about Bond films!)

007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me?
Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was the real stuff.

Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle.

Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you are naughty!?

Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. Lovely guy!

 

Best

Pat

 

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Sent: 26 June 2020 10:07
To: patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net> 
Cc: Mike Giles <mailto:mibridge at mac.com> ; Tech ops <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.

 

<cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you for hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more sugar to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before Dom Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.

? 

Graeme Wall

 

 

I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling is winning medals over the French! 

 

 

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Sorry, should have been Merritt, the botte just says traditional method, quality sparkling wine. Checked their website and the story seems to have been dropped.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 26 Jun 2020, at 12:17, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> I?ve never heard of ?Meriitt?,and nor, apparently has Google ? do you have a link for perusal?
> But love the story of the sugar!
> M?thode champenoise: a method of making sparkling wine by allowing the last stage of fermentation to take place in the bottle.
> So I think that is perfectly valid ? Meriitt or not!
> The French get (unreasonably) pedantic in insisting that only fizz from the Champagne region may be named as such.
> Thus the method employed to produce exactly the same ?fizz? can only be referred to as ?methode? if not made in France.
> If the UK is severing its ties with the EU, maybe it should consider protecting the names of Cheddar and Stilton cheeses?
> And Melton Mowbray pork pies.
>  
> Instead of appellation d'origine contr?l?e (AOC) maybe the UK should think up something:
> Maybe boring like Stilton (TM) (Trade Mark) etc.
> Let?s have a competition ? think up an abbreviation to put on labels!
>  
> Bernie ? do not think of this thread as ?political? ? categorise it under ?Gastronomics? ?
>  
> Champagne story ? (Nick will groan, not Pat bleating on again about Bond films!)
> 007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me?
> Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was the real stuff.
> Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle.
> Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you are naughty!?
> Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. Lovely guy!
>  
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Graeme Wall
> Sent: 26 June 2020 10:07
> To: patheigham
> Cc: Mike Giles; Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
>  
> <cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you for hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more sugar to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before Dom Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
>  
>  
> I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling is winning medals over the French! 
>  
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jun 26 07:14:09 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:14:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
In-Reply-To: <c92a4bde-0500-1053-b5ef-df19837c5458@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <c92a4bde-0500-1053-b5ef-df19837c5458@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7C80407E-0E9D-4408-ACDA-1715551D1C6F@me.com>

If you?re concerned about regional names being used inappropriately, try searching for what Americans can sell under the name of Parmesan cheese.  It doesn?t need to have to have any connection with Italy and is often bulked out with wood pulp.

It amuses me that if you buy a Kitchen Aid Mixer, it proudly proclaims that it?s made in America and my iPhone has a label on the back saying that it was designed in California, but American trade negotiators are trying to stop country of origin labels being required for food. Are they ashamed about what they do?

With regards to Zoom and FaceTime backgrounds, while the bookshelf is likely to feature in many situations because a home office is likely to be the place where such calls are made, in my case although it?s the office, the background is a floor length curtain and a plain wall, so slim pickings for anybody trying to spot dodgy books on my shelves.  However my setup is highly mobile and can easily be relocated to the sofa or even the garden, depending on the type of call and how many of us are taking part.

Alan Taylor



> On 26 Jun 2020, at 12:39, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Stilton and Melton Mowbray pies already have the same PDO protection as Champagne. The risk is ~losing~ that because of Brexit. The daft bit is that we insisted on the current Stilton techniques for the PDO, which actually rule out using the better flavoured raw milk - so that has to be called Stichelton - a bit of an own goal.
> 
> Cheddar can't be protected because it is a ~method~ of making cheese, and the rest of the world has been doing "cheddaring" for more than a century.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 26/06/2020 12:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?ve never heard of ?Meriitt?,and nor, apparently has Google ? do you have a link for perusal?
>> But love the story of the sugar!
>> M?thode champenoise: a method of making sparkling wine by allowing the last stage of fermentation to take place in the bottle.
>> So I think that is perfectly valid ? Meriitt or not!
>> The French get (unreasonably) pedantic in insisting that only fizz from the Champagne region may be named as such.
>> Thus the method employed to produce exactly the same ?fizz? can only be referred to as ?methode? if not made in France.
>> If the UK is severing its ties with the EU, maybe it should consider protecting the names of Cheddar and Stilton cheeses?
>> And Melton Mowbray pork pies.
>>  
>> Instead of appellation d'origine contr?l?e (AOC) maybe the UK should think up something:
>> Maybe boring like Stilton (TM) (Trade Mark) etc.
>> Let?s have a competition ? think up an abbreviation to put on labels!
>>  
>> Bernie ? do not think of this thread as ?political? ? categorise it under ?Gastronomics? ?
>>  
>> Champagne story ? (Nick will groan, not Pat bleating on again about Bond films!)
>> 007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me?
>> Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was the real stuff.
>> Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle.
>> Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you are naughty!?
>> Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. Lovely guy!
>>  
>> Best
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>  
>> From: Graeme Wall
>> Sent: 26 June 2020 10:07
>> To: patheigham
>> Cc: Mike Giles; Tech ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
>>  
>> <cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you for hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more sugar to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before Dom Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>  
>>  
>> I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling is winning medals over the French!
>>  
>> 
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Fri Jun 26 10:14:30 2020
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 16:14:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
In-Reply-To: <7C80407E-0E9D-4408-ACDA-1715551D1C6F@me.com>
References: <7C80407E-0E9D-4408-ACDA-1715551D1C6F@me.com>
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Might be because they know that even though the UK is currently lowering British food standards to match theirs, some of us still won?t buy American food.  Some of it is hormone laden, some of it is unethically produced, and their chocolate just isn?t. How will you know?   No labels no problem.

Peter Fox

On 26 Jun 2020, at 13:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
If you?re concerned about regional names being used inappropriately, try searching for what Americans can sell under the name of Parmesan cheese.  It doesn?t need to have to have any connection with Italy and is often bulked out with wood pulp.

It amuses me that if you buy a Kitchen Aid Mixer, it proudly proclaims that it?s made in America and my iPhone has a label on the back saying that it was designed in California, but American trade negotiators are trying to stop country of origin labels being required for food. Are they ashamed about what they do?

With regards to Zoom and FaceTime backgrounds, while the bookshelf is likely to feature in many situations because a home office is likely to be the place where such calls are made, in my case although it?s the office, the background is a floor length curtain and a plain wall, so slim pickings for anybody trying to spot dodgy books on my shelves.  However my setup is highly mobile and can easily be relocated to the sofa or even the garden, depending on the type of call and how many of us are taking part.

Alan Taylor



>> On 26 Jun 2020, at 12:39, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> ?
> Stilton and Melton Mowbray pies already have the same PDO protection as Champagne. The risk is ~losing~ that because of Brexit. The daft bit is that we insisted on the current Stilton techniques for the PDO, which actually rule out using the better flavoured raw milk - so that has to be called Stichelton - a bit of an own goal.
> 
> Cheddar can't be protected because it is a ~method~ of making cheese, and the rest of the world has been doing "cheddaring" for more than a century.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
> On 26/06/2020 12:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?ve never heard of ?Meriitt?,and nor, apparently has Google ? do you have a link for perusal?
>> But love the story of the sugar!
>> M?thode champenoise: a method of making sparkling wine by allowing the last stage of fermentation to take place in the bottle.
>> So I think that is perfectly valid ? Meriitt or not!
>> The French get (unreasonably) pedantic in insisting that only fizz from the Champagne region may be named as such.
>> Thus the method employed to produce exactly the same ?fizz? can only be referred to as ?methode? if not made in France.
>> If the UK is severing its ties with the EU, maybe it should consider protecting the names of Cheddar and Stilton cheeses?
>> And Melton Mowbray pork pies.
>>  
>> Instead of appellation d'origine contr?l?e (AOC) maybe the UK should think up something:
>> Maybe boring like Stilton (TM) (Trade Mark) etc.
>> Let?s have a competition ? think up an abbreviation to put on labels!
>>  
>> Bernie ? do not think of this thread as ?political? ? categorise it under ?Gastronomics? ?
>>  
>> Champagne story ? (Nick will groan, not Pat bleating on again about Bond films!)
>> 007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me?
>> Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was the real stuff.
>> Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the bottle. Each time a fresh bottle.
>> Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: ?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and said mildly: ?Roger, you are naughty!?
>> Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. Lovely guy!
>>  
>> Best
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>  
>> From: Graeme Wall
>> Sent: 26 June 2020 10:07
>> To: patheigham
>> Cc: Mike Giles; Tech ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
>>  
>> <cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you for hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more sugar to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before Dom Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>  
>>  
>> I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling is winning medals over the French!
>>  
>> 
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jun 26 11:03:07 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:03:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line
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Having partaken of Macdonalds, burgers both in this country and in the USA
I would say that the US versions are vastly superior to what is fed to us in the UK.
Do we get the crap meat?
(I?m amused by the current ads that show a double BigMac, so high that no-one
could  get his mouth around - except an American!)
Pat



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From: Peter Fox via Tech1
Sent: 26 June 2020 16:14
To: Alan Taylor
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.

Might be because they know that even though the UK is currently lowering British food standards to match theirs, some of us still won?t buy American food. ?Some of it is hormone laden, some of it is unethically produced, and their chocolate just isn?t. How will you know? ? No labels no problem.
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 26 14:46:23 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 20:46:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jim Cook (jrwc)
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	Very sad to hear of Jim?s death.

	I worked with Jim on a difficult shoot for East Enders on the Isle of Dogs he certainly helped to keep us sane! Great guy. Seen below levelling track!
	
	Barry.

			
	
On 26 Jun 2020, at 19:25, don_hart at sky.com wrote:

> Sad news.
> 
> When I turned up at Wood Norton for my A Course in July '79 Jim was my course manager. Excellent engineer to introduce myself, Alan Price and Huw Williams to the craft. Jim once handed out a map of 'Dark Alleyways' in Evesham and a list of young upstarts who needed sorting out. Couldn't get away with that now!
> 
> Years later when the Studio S.Tel.E's merged with the Resource Co-ords, Jim had left training and was in the Co-ord group. Great bloke.
> 
> RIP
> 
> 
> On Friday, 26 June 2020, 14:44:25 BST, elliott brian <elliottbri at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> I recently read that Jim Cook (jrwc as he was known in Network) died recently from a brain tumour. (I know it should have been the greek letter omega, but I can't find it in my character sets)
> 
> 
> 
> Brian
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From davidpcarter at btinternet.com  Fri Jun 26 16:56:48 2020
From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter at btinternet.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 22:56:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.
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Christopher Merret is the name you're looking for Pat. 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Merret 
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Merret>   My years of 
oenological study have not been in vain!

David
------ Original Message ------
From: "patheigham via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "Graeme Wall" <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
Cc: "Tech ops" <Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, 26 Jun, 2020 At 12:17
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.

I?ve never heard of ?Meriitt?,and nor, apparently has Google ? do you 
have a link for perusal?
But love the story of the sugar!
M?thode champenoise: a method of making sparkling wine by allowing the 
last stage of fermentation to take place in the bottle.
So I think that is perfectly valid ? Meriitt or not!
The French get (unreasonably) pedantic in insisting that only fizz from 
the Champagne region may be named as such.
Thus the method employed to produce exactly the same ?fizz? can only be 
referred to as ?methode? if not made in France.
If the UK is severing its ties with the EU, maybe it should consider 
protecting the names of Cheddar and Stilton cheeses?
And Melton Mowbray pork pies.

Instead of appellation d'origine contr?l?e (AOC) maybe the UK should 
think up something:
Maybe boring like Stilton (TM) (Trade Mark) etc.
Let?s have a competition ? think up an abbreviation to put on labels!

Bernie ? do not think of this thread as ?political? ? categorise it 
under ?Gastronomics? ?

Champagne story ? (Nick will groan, not Pat bleating on again about Bond 
films!)
007 ?The Spy Who Loved Me?
Scene: The final chapter when 007 and Triple X have escaped from the 
villain?s doomed underwater hideaway in an escape capsule. Once 
surfaced, Bond rummages in a locker and finds a bottle of Dom Perignon 
champagne. They do not make a theatrical (ginger ale) version, so it was 
the real stuff.
Having opened it, Roger blew the first take ? ?Props: new bottle 
please!? Then, Roger proceeded to screw up the next ten takes ? 
belching, farting, blowing his dialogue etc. Always after opening the 
bottle. Each time a fresh bottle.
Finally after a perfect take, Roger says to Lewis Gilbert, the director: 
?Have I opened enough for everyone to have a sip?? Lewis grinned and 
said mildly: ?Roger, you are naughty!?
Moore knew that with perhaps only two bottles broached, only the actors 
and directing staff would benefit from finishing up the champagne, and 
such was his nature that he thought all the crew should have a taste. 
Lovely guy!

Best
Pat

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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Getting together on line & Humax problems.

<cough> Meriitt method, not champagnoise, as the owner will bore you for 
hours about! Apparently and Englishman had the idea of adding more sugar 
to the fermenting liquid to make it fizz about 50 years before Dom 
Perignon tripped and spilt a bag of sugar into the vat.
?
Graeme Wall


I prefer Camel Valley from Bodmin ? their m?thode champenoise sparkling 
is winning medals over the French!


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From mibridge at mac.com  Fri Jun 26 17:53:29 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 23:53:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jim Cook (jrwc)
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What an all-round good chap Jim was. Does anybody have a potted history? I?m sure I encountered him many times in roles other than as a Duty Manager over the years, but it?s all a bit shrouded in the mists of time.

Mike G



> On 26 Jun 2020, at 20:46, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 	Very sad to hear of Jim?s death.
> 
> 	I worked with Jim on a difficult shoot for East Enders on the Isle of Dogs he certainly helped to keep us sane! Great guy. Seen below levelling track!
> 	
> 	Barry.
> 
> 			<East Enders 1987.jpg>
> 
> 	
> On 26 Jun 2020, at 19:25, don_hart at sky.com <mailto:don_hart at sky.com> wrote:
> 
>> Sad news.
>> 
>> When I turned up at Wood Norton for my A Course in July '79 Jim was my course manager. Excellent engineer to introduce myself, Alan Price and Huw Williams to the craft. Jim once handed out a map of 'Dark Alleyways' in Evesham and a list of young upstarts who needed sorting out. Couldn't get away with that now!
>> 
>> Years later when the Studio S.Tel.E's merged with the Resource Co-ords, Jim had left training and was in the Co-ord group. Great bloke.
>> 
>> RIP
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, 26 June 2020, 14:44:25 BST, elliott brian <elliottbri at blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:elliottbri at blueyonder.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I recently read that Jim Cook (jrwc as he was known in Network) died recently from a brain tumour. (I know it should have been the greek letter omega, but I can't find it in my character sets)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jun 27 02:39:11 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 08:39:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The weekly wash
Message-ID: <48545638-5FDE-432D-A2D9-24DE65C17301@mac.com>

Now a regular scene in our back garden - leaving the washing out to dry after the Sainsbury?s delivery has arrived!

Mike G

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jun 27 02:44:49 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 08:44:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?Yesterday=E2=80=99s_walk?=
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I have never seen gossamer as carefully tailored as this on a gorse bush on Headley Heath. It was as if a pre-woven bag had been slipped over the fronds. Quite remarkable!

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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Sat Jun 27 02:54:26 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 08:54:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Jim Cook (jrwc)
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun 27 06:34:28 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 12:34:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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?
?
A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.

Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them in hostile territory.  Nigel left to go on to greater things. 

They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader. 

The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when heavily laden.  There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the aircraft himself.

Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its vegetation. 

The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.  That?s when he became badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious detail  which I uncovered was that the official record states that Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all those in the cabin survived.

Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction surgery.  He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually returned to his old squadron.

By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with Television Centre.  Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.  Their company, Norman and Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey.  After Sir Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and was invited to design a building for the BBC.

Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.



I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first live news OB.

I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.  It has a similar twin rudder arrangement to the  Electra, which is the civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.

Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft. 

Apologies for the lengthy post.  This is the drastically stripped down version.  I have omitted a lot of other detail and background because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by this connection.

AlanTaylor 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun 27 06:46:19 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 12:46:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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The ?Munich? aircraft was Lockhead 14 Super Electra G-AFGN.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 27 Jun 2020, at 12:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ?
> A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.
> 
> Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them in hostile territory.  Nigel left to go on to greater things. 
> 
> They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader. 
> 
> The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when heavily laden.  There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the aircraft himself.
> 
> Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its vegetation. 
> 
> The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.  That?s when he became badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious detail  which I uncovered was that the official record states that Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all those in the cabin survived.
> 
> Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction surgery.  He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually returned to his old squadron.
> 
> By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with Television Centre.  Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.  Their company, Norman and Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey.  After Sir Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and was invited to design a building for the BBC.
> 
> Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.
> 
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first live news OB.
> 
> I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.  It has a similar twin rudder arrangement to the  Electra, which is the civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.
> 
> Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft. 
> 
> Apologies for the lengthy post.  This is the drastically stripped down version.  I have omitted a lot of other detail and background because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by this connection.
> 
> AlanTaylor 
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Sat Jun 27 10:33:26 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:33:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Diversity
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Don?t know how many of you are in GTC?
Just got the latest InFocus. Pictures of the new council show a good number of women. 

But!

Not a single BAME face in the whole publication.

Very disappointing!

John V

Sent from my iPad


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jun 27 10:41:20 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:41:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Diversity
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I have to say, in the whole of my career, I?ve worked with perhaps half a dozen BAME cameramen and a few more as sound recordists. A lot more in production and engineering.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 27 Jun 2020, at 16:33, John Vincent via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Don?t know how many of you are in GTC?
> Just got the latest InFocus. Pictures of the new council show a good number of women. 
> 
> But!
> 
> Not a single BAME face in the whole publication.
> 
> Very disappointing!
> 
> John V
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun 27 11:51:01 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 17:51:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels beyond your primary thread, particularly your reference to the Britten Norman Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that this was an aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still flying after 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown several times in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the Aurigny service from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were held in great affection by the Channel Island folk,  one in particular registered as G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused tears to be shed when it was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 34 of its 40 year life with Aurigny and had become the airline?s flagship with iconic status.

A wide range of ?JOEY? merchandise had evolved over the years and had appeal for many, not least those who had flown on ?JOEY?S SCENIC TOURS? ? a 20 min flip round the Channel Islands. Now preserved complete with its ?Smiley? face it is on display in a barn at Oatlands Village on Guernsey. This is a web sourced image:-

 

Another of the Aurigny Trislanders was G-BEVT  the one I was on when I took photos including these two. On the tarmac at Alderney and in flight on the return journey.



I also flew on G-RLON which is now preserved at the Solent Sky Museum in Southampton ? close to her home, as all the Trislanders were built at the Bembridge factory on the IOW.

Back with the thread?s main purpose why should Dick Jesse, who seems to have conducted himself honourably and courageously be represented as the man at the controls when the accident happened? How many such stories have there been down the years ? quite a few I suspect.

Dave Newbitt



From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:34 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design

? 
? 
A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.




Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them in hostile territory.  Nigel left to go on to greater things. 




They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader. 




The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when heavily laden.  There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the aircraft himself.




Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its vegetation. 




The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.  That?s when he became badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious detail  which I uncovered was that the official record states that Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all those in the cabin survived.




Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction surgery.  He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually returned to his old squadron.




By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with Television Centre.  Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.  Their company, Norman and Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey.  After Sir Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and was invited to design a building for the BBC.




Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.





 




I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first live news OB.




I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.  It has a similar twin rudder arrangement to the  Electra, which is the civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.




Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft. 




Apologies for the lengthy post.  This is the drastically stripped down version.  I have omitted a lot of other detail and background because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by this connection.




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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jun 27 12:33:57 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 18:33:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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Great stuff about the Islanders.  I was always seeing them at a local flying club near where I lived. 

As for the misrepresentation of who was piloting, officially Dick Jesse was the pilot and Sir Nigel was not supposed to be flying it, so I wonder if it might have been some sort of ploy to conceal a transgression. Some have suggested that by claiming that Sir Norman broke his neck, his family were spared the ordeal of knowing how he actually died.

One thought is to try again and see if I can find Dick?s service record to see if there was any more info. I didn?t get anywhere when I tried before. However I did locate the crash record, which supplied a lot of information.  It had perforated holes all around it which encoded the information ( numbers were encoded in binary ) so that they could rapidly sort data on stacks of cards by using knitting needles to lift matching cards, performing further sorts on either the cards raised by the needle, or the cards left behind.  1940s data processing.

Alan Taylor

> On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels beyond your primary thread, particularly your reference to the Britten Norman Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that this was an aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still flying after 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown several times in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the Aurigny service from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were held in great affection by the Channel Island folk,  one in particular registered as G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused tears to be shed when it was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 34 of its 40 year life with Aurigny and had become the airline?s flagship with iconic status.
>  
> A wide range of ?JOEY? merchandise had evolved over the years and had appeal for many, not least those who had flown on ?JOEY?S SCENIC TOURS? ? a 20 min flip round the Channel Islands. Now preserved complete with its ?Smiley? face it is on display in a barn at Oatlands Village on Guernsey. This is a web sourced image:-
>  
> <Joey%20smiley%20face[2].jpg>
>  
>  
> Another of the Aurigny Trislanders was G-BEVT  the one I was on when I took photos including these two. On the tarmac at Alderney and in flight on the return journey.
>  
> <Untitled-1%20composite[4].jpg>
>  
> I also flew on G-RLON which is now preserved at the Solent Sky Museum in Southampton ? close to her home, as all the Trislanders were built at the Bembridge factory on the IOW.
>  
> Back with the thread?s main purpose why should Dick Jesse, who seems to have conducted himself honourably and courageously be represented as the man at the controls when the accident happened? How many such stories have there been down the years ? quite a few I suspect.
>  
> Dave Newbitt
>  
>  
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:34 PM
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
>  
> ?
> ?
> A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.
> 
> Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them in hostile territory.  Nigel left to go on to greater things.
> 
> They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader.
> 
> The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when heavily laden.  There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the aircraft himself.
> 
> Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its vegetation.
> 
> The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.  That?s when he became badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious detail  which I uncovered was that the official record states that Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all those in the cabin survived.
> 
> Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction surgery.  He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually returned to his old squadron.
> 
> By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with Television Centre.  Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.  Their company, Norman and Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey.  After Sir Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and was invited to design a building for the BBC.
> 
> Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first live news OB.
> 
> I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.  It has a similar twin rudder arrangement to the  Electra, which is the civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.
> 
> Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft.
> 
> Apologies for the lengthy post.  This is the drastically stripped down version.  I have omitted a lot of other detail and background because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by this connection.
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 21:52:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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Many years ago, having done the obligatory lunch in Le Touquet - with 
Orwyn Evans and Alan Dedicoat, I think -? I was filling in the return 
flight plan on Minitel.? Next to us, doing the same thing, was the 
captain of a Trislander. The aircraft was parked right outside, and it 
had one of those trestle things under the tail.....



"What's that for?", I asked.

"If we don't put that there before the people get out", he said, " it 
falls over backwards".

B





On 27/06/2020 17:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels beyond 
> your primary thread, particularly your reference to the Britten Norman 
> Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that this was an 
> aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still flying after 
> 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown several times 
> in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the Aurigny service 
> from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were held in great 
> affection by the Channel Island folk,? one in particular registered as 
> G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused tears to be shed when it 
> was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 34 of its 40 year life with 
> Aurigny and had become the airline?s flagship with iconic status.
> A wid

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun 27 15:59:23 2020
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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 21:59:23 +0100
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Dead right ? I?d forgotten that but I got the same answer!

Dave Newbitt

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Many years ago, having done the obligatory lunch in Le Touquet - with Orwyn Evans and Alan Dedicoat, I think -  I was filling in the return flight plan on Minitel.  Next to us, doing the same thing, was the captain of a Trislander. The aircraft was parked right outside, and it had one of those trestle things under the tail.....



"What's that for?", I asked. 

"If we don't put that there before the people get out", he said, " it falls over backwards".

B






On 27/06/2020 17:51, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels beyond your primary thread, particularly your reference to the Britten Norman Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that this was an aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still flying after 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown several times in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the Aurigny service from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were held in great affection by the Channel Island folk,  one in particular registered as G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused tears to be shed when it was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 34 of its 40 year life with Aurigny and had become the airline?s flagship with iconic status.

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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Jun 27 16:27:26 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 21:27:26 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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?
?The time that I should have had flying lessons but didn?t, largely due to an expensive divorce I was going through at the time, was during a period when much of my work came from a production company that owned a Piper Lance, G-BNJF. We thought nothing of meeting at Fairoaks and hopping across to Bembridge for morning coffee and a sausage roll in The Propeller Cafe. Something that impressed and intrigued me was that we used to watch Islander aircraft go from stationary to airborne on half the length of the taxi-way, barely 600ft long, so airborne in 300ft max. Never mind the runway, the taxi-way was good enough for them!  Impressive stuff, but necessary in those days for the steep approach into London City Airport, where they were a regular sight over the City.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 27 Jun 2020, at 18:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Great stuff about the Islanders.  I was always seeing them at a local flying club near where I lived.

As for the misrepresentation of who was piloting, officially Dick Jesse was the pilot and Sir Nigel was not supposed to be flying it, so I wonder if it might have been some sort of ploy to conceal a transgression. Some have suggested that by claiming that Sir Norman broke his neck, his family were spared the ordeal of knowing how he actually died.

One thought is to try again and see if I can find Dick?s service record to see if there was any more info. I didn?t get anywhere when I tried before. However I did locate the crash record, which supplied a lot of information.  It had perforated holes all around it which encoded the information ( numbers were encoded in binary ) so that they could rapidly sort data on stacks of cards by using knitting needles to lift matching cards, performing further sorts on either the cards raised by the needle, or the cards left behind.  1940s data processing.

Alan Taylor

On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

?
Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels beyond your primary thread, particularly your reference to the Britten Norman Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that this was an aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still flying after 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown several times in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the Aurigny service from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were held in great affection by the Channel Island folk,  one in particular registered as G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused tears to be shed when it was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 34 of its 40 year life with Aurigny and had become the airline?s flagship with iconic status.

A wide range of ?JOEY? merchandise had evolved over the years and had appeal for many, not least those who had flown on ?JOEY?S SCENIC TOURS? ? a 20 min flip round the Channel Islands. Now preserved complete with its ?Smiley? face it is on display in a barn at Oatlands Village on Guernsey. This is a web sourced image:-

<Joey%20smiley%20face[2].jpg>


Another of the Aurigny Trislanders was G-BEVT  the one I was on when I took photos including these two. On the tarmac at Alderney and in flight on the return journey.

<Untitled-1%20composite[4].jpg>

I also flew on G-RLON which is now preserved at the Solent Sky Museum in Southampton ? close to her home, as all the Trislanders were built at the Bembridge factory on the IOW.

Back with the thread?s main purpose why should Dick Jesse, who seems to have conducted himself honourably and courageously be represented as the man at the controls when the accident happened? How many such stories have there been down the years ? quite a few I suspect.

Dave Newbitt



From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:34 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design

?
?

A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.


Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them in hostile territory.  Nigel left to go on to greater things.


They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader.


The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when heavily laden.  There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the aircraft himself.


Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its vegetation.


The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.  That?s when he became badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious detail  which I uncovered was that the official record states that Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all those in the cabin survived.


Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction surgery.  He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually returned to his old squadron.


By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with Television Centre.  Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.  Their company, Norman and Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey.  After Sir Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and was invited to design a building for the BBC.


Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.





I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first live news OB.


I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.  It has a similar twin rudder arrangement to the  Electra, which is the civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.


Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft.


Apologies for the lengthy post.  This is the drastically stripped down version.  I have omitted a lot of other detail and background because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by this connection.


AlanTaylor

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Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 23:16:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Chainsaws
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jun 27 17:23:54 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 23:23:54 +0100
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This will be familiar to you then Nick (from a 2012 holiday we had there)



From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 10:27 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design

? 
?The time that I should have had flying lessons but didn?t, largely due to an expensive divorce I was going through at the time, was during a period when much of my work came from a production company that owned a Piper Lance, G-BNJF. We thought nothing of meeting at Fairoaks and hopping across to Bembridge for morning coffee and a sausage roll in The Propeller Cafe. Something that impressed and intrigued me was that we used to watch Islander aircraft go from stationary to airborne on half the length of the taxi-way, barely 600ft long, so airborne in 300ft max. Never mind the runway, the taxi-way was good enough for them!  Impressive stuff, but necessary in those days for the steep approach into London City Airport, where they were a regular sight over the City.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


  On 27 Jun 2020, at 18:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Great stuff about the Islanders.  I was always seeing them at a local flying club near where I lived. 

  As for the misrepresentation of who was piloting, officially Dick Jesse was the pilot and Sir Nigel was not supposed to be flying it, so I wonder if it might have been some sort of ploy to conceal a transgression. Some have suggested that by claiming that Sir Norman broke his neck, his family were spared the ordeal of knowing how he actually died.

  One thought is to try again and see if I can find Dick?s service record to see if there was any more info. I didn?t get anywhere when I tried before. However I did locate the crash record, which supplied a lot of information.  It had perforated holes all around it which encoded the information ( numbers were encoded in binary ) so that they could rapidly sort data on stacks of cards by using knitting needles to lift matching cards, performing further sorts on either the cards raised by the needle, or the cards left behind.  1940s data processing.

  Alan Taylor


    On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:


    ? 
    Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels beyond your primary thread, particularly your reference to the Britten Norman Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that this was an aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still flying after 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown several times in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the Aurigny service from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were held in great affection by the Channel Island folk,  one in particular registered as G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused tears to be shed when it was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 34 of its 40 year life with Aurigny and had become the airline?s flagship with iconic status.

    A wide range of ?JOEY? merchandise had evolved over the years and had appeal for many, not least those who had flown on ?JOEY?S SCENIC TOURS? ? a 20 min flip round the Channel Islands. Now preserved complete with its ?Smiley? face it is on display in a barn at Oatlands Village on Guernsey. This is a web sourced image:-

    <Joey%20smiley%20face[2].jpg>
     

    Another of the Aurigny Trislanders was G-BEVT  the one I was on when I took photos including these two. On the tarmac at Alderney and in flight on the return journey.

    <Untitled-1%20composite[4].jpg>

    I also flew on G-RLON which is now preserved at the Solent Sky Museum in Southampton ? close to her home, as all the Trislanders were built at the Bembridge factory on the IOW.

    Back with the thread?s main purpose why should Dick Jesse, who seems to have conducted himself honourably and courageously be represented as the man at the controls when the accident happened? How many such stories have there been down the years ? quite a few I suspect.

    Dave Newbitt



    From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
    Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:34 PM
    To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
    Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design

    ? 
    ? 
    A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.




    Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them in hostile territory.  Nigel left to go on to greater things. 




    They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader. 




    The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when heavily laden.  There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the aircraft himself.




    Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its vegetation. 




    The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.  That?s when he became badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious detail  which I uncovered was that the official record states that Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all those in the cabin survived.




    Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction surgery.  He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually returned to his old squadron.




    By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with Television Centre.  Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.  Their company, Norman and Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey.  After Sir Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and was invited to design a building for the BBC.




    Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.





     




    I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first live news OB.




    I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.  It has a similar twin rudder arrangement to the  Electra, which is the civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.




    Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft. 




    Apologies for the lengthy post.  This is the drastically stripped down version.  I have omitted a lot of other detail and background because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by this connection.




    AlanTaylor 


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jun 27 17:27:49 2020
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That?s quite brilliant ? what incredible talent!
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 08:43:06 +0000
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You have to admire people with skills like that.
There?s a chap who we often see in Binibeca (Menorca) who does sand sculptures that I find fascinating. He says they last up to a couple of weeks, as long as no-one comes along and vandalises them, which sadly they do - stealing the money that well-wishers leave for him. Just sand, sea water, hot sun and pure imagination.
Nick.
[cid:5A6D1530-D4FD-4B0D-83FA-28022D607B29]
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sun Jun 28 04:04:36 2020
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A much better version of the sand models one sees on the Thames bank (just where LWT was) at low tide with very good stuff but of course very short life and there to beg from tourists.
We have a couple of seats made from cut down trees in Boston Manor Park but unfortunately they are now rotting away and slightly vandalised.

Mike

From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
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To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Chainsaws

You have to admire people with skills like that. 
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From dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com  Sun Jun 28 04:17:52 2020
From: dave.thompson.mail at gmail.com (David Thompson)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 10:17:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Poppy Fields
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Geoff,
In your email of 23/6 you said

"If anyone is inclined to see them and take an offering of their own, the poppies are still there about a mile from Chesham town centre. OS Explorer 181, Ref SP 942 023. It?s a pleasant walk across the fields with plenty of space to keep away from other people. You can drive but it?s a single track road and parking is limited. Full directions available on request?

 I went looking yesterday but couldn?t spot them so please send me directions - coming from Amersham

Regards

David Thompson
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:03:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 28 05:22:56 2020
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Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:22:56 +0100
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An interesting problem to convert paper OS map co-ords to computer. It 
turns out that Streetmap.co.uk will take an OS reference, in this case 
SP 942 023, giving a place on Hollow Way.? Moving to What3words, one gets -

https://what3words.com/admits.afraid.galaxy

B



On 28/06/2020 10:17, David Thompson via Tech1 wrote:
> Geoff,
> In your email of 23/6 you said
>
> "If anyone is inclined to see them and take an offering of their own, 
> the poppies are still there about a mile from Chesham town centre. OS 
> Explorer 181, Ref SP 942 023. It?s a pleasant walk across the fields 
> with plenty of space to keep away from other people. You can drive but 
> it?s a single track road and parking is limited. Full directions 
> available on request?
>
> ?I went looking yesterday but couldn?t spot them so?please send me 
> directions - coming from Amersham
>
> Regards
>
> David Thompson
>

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From jccglass at gmail.com  Sun Jun 28 05:27:55 2020
From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:27:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Trislanders
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Back in late 1980 i was a regular passenger to Alderny to visit a girlfriend
and the late Geoff Shaw and Nan who had a bar by the beach.
After a fierce gale several flights were cancelled - was asked if I would
defer my return as they caught up
to my delight  next morning i found myself the only passenger and was 
allowed to sit up front with the pilot.
The remenants of the gale was still going strong blowing north and we wizzed
back to Eastley airport in less half the normal time - as we approached  to 
coast
i was unnerved to see the pilot tapping the fuel gauge - due to tail wind 
only 12 gallons used.
As we appoached landing  we virtually flew backwards - most unnerving and 
bumpy landing.
I was left to unload my own baggage  and no no sign of customs
a hurried drive home in time for newsnight.

Happy days




From jpn at imixmics.co.uk  Sun Jun 28 05:36:21 2020
From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (John Nottage)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 11:36:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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I haven't really been following this thread, but I flew in Islanders 
many times during our visits to the Falklands:

https://www.fig.gov.fk/figas/

Terrific service for island hopping. You can listen to Falklands Island 
radio the night before & hear your names announced on the passenger list 
for your flight.

John

On 28/06/2020 11:03, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote:
> You will be pleased to know that the last Aurigny Trislander in service, 
> G-BEVT, was on outdoor static display, sitting on it's tail prop, at 
> Duxford aerodrome in September 2018 having been flown up from Guernsey 
> earlier that year, and presumably still there. I never flew in one but 
> they have significance for me because they flew over my parent's house 
> in Freshwater IOW several times a day for over forty years, following 
> their idiosyncratic timetable between Alderney via Guernesy to 
> Southampton. What made them so "notable" was their musical engine sound, 
> around B flat below middle C, according to our concert pitched piano, 
> depending on Mr Doppler's shift and whether they were fighting a gale or 
> being carried along by it. They usually flew over at 2000 to 3000 feet 
> but never more than 5000, so they had a significant presence.? Three 
> flat-six Lycoming piston engines with two bladed props must have had a 
> lot to do with it.? Although the 1pm (approx) fly-over was a good hint 
> for lunch time, it wasn't a reliable time check. Occasional breakdowns, 
> re-allocations as air ambulances to serve the smaller Channel Islands 
> and other random cancellations.? Perhaps unsurprisingly the Channel 
> Islander commuters had a love-hate relationship with them. Their 
> cruising speed is about 165mph but I did catch sight of one flying north 
> on the wings of a gale, dodging just below the cloud wrack and looking 
> more like 220mph. The opposite could be true at other times, but never 
> quite as dramatic as the Westland Walrus amphibian that Ian Marter, a 
> school friend, told me his father had once seen flying backwards! 
> Despite their familiarity in West Wight life, they were so distinctive 
> and pleasant sounding, I always had to look up at them passing by. The 
> Dornier 228 replacements are so anodyne, so much quieter turbprops and 
> generally flying at nearer 10,000 ft. They just don't register.? Mk IX 
> T? Spitfires, carrying a now penniless passenger on an expensive treat 
> or sometimes a pair of exhuberant single seaters, are the current but 
> unpredictable entertainment. However they are often frustratingly out of 
> sight flying along at near cliff level to do a Needles Fly-by.? Britten 
> Norman Trislanders are sadly missed.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 27/06/2020 23:23, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> This will be familiar to you then Nick (from a 2012 holiday we had there)
>> SONY DSC
>> *From:* Nick Ware via Tech1
>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 27, 2020 10:27 PM
>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
>> ?
>> ?The time that I should have had flying lessons but didn?t, largely 
>> due to an expensive divorce I was going through at the time, was 
>> during a period when much of my work came from a production company 
>> that owned a Piper Lance, G-BNJF. We thought nothing of meeting at 
>> Fairoaks and hopping across to Bembridge for morning coffee and a 
>> sausage roll in The Propeller Cafe. Something that impressed and 
>> intrigued me was that we used to watch Islander aircraft go from 
>> stationary to airborne on half the length of the taxi-way, barely 
>> 600ft long, so airborne in 300ft max. Never mind the runway, the 
>> taxi-way was good enough for them! Impressive stuff, but necessary in 
>> those days for the steep approach into London City Airport, where they 
>> were a regular sight over the City.
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 18:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Great stuff about the Islanders.? I was always seeing them at a local 
>>> flying club near where I lived.
>>> As for the misrepresentation of who was piloting, officially Dick 
>>> Jesse was the pilot and Sir Nigel was not supposed to be flying it, 
>>> so I wonder if it might have been some sort of ploy to conceal a 
>>> transgression. Some have suggested that by claiming that Sir Norman 
>>> broke his neck, his family were spared the ordeal of knowing how he 
>>> actually died.
>>> One thought is to try again and see if I can find Dick?s service 
>>> record to see if there was any more info. I didn?t get anywhere when 
>>> I tried before. However I did locate the crash record, which supplied 
>>> a lot of information.? It had perforated holes all around it which 
>>> encoded the information ( numbers were encoded in binary ) so that 
>>> they could rapidly sort data on stacks of cards by using knitting 
>>> needles to lift matching cards, performing further sorts on either 
>>> the cards raised by the needle, or the cards left behind.? 1940s data 
>>> processing.
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>
>>>> On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?
>>>> Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels 
>>>> beyond your primary thread, particularly your reference to the 
>>>> Britten Norman Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that 
>>>> this was an aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still 
>>>> flying after 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown 
>>>> several times in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the 
>>>> Aurigny service from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were 
>>>> held in great affection by the Channel Island folk,? one in 
>>>> particular registered as G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused 
>>>> tears to be shed when it was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 
>>>> 34 of its 40 year life with Aurigny and had become the airline?s 
>>>> flagship with iconic status.
>>>> A wide range of ?JOEY? merchandise had evolved over the years and 
>>>> had appeal for many, not least those who had flown on ?JOEY?S SCENIC 
>>>> TOURS? ? a 20 min flip round the Channel Islands. Now preserved 
>>>> complete with its ?Smiley? face it is on display in a barn at 
>>>> Oatlands Village on Guernsey. This is a web sourced image:-
>>>> <Joey%20smiley%20face[2].jpg>
>>>> Another of the Aurigny Trislanders was G-BEVT? the one I was on when 
>>>> I took photos including these two. On the tarmac at Alderney and in 
>>>> flight on the return journey.
>>>> <Untitled-1%20composite[4].jpg>
>>>> I also flew on G-RLON which is now preserved at the Solent Sky 
>>>> Museum in Southampton ? close to her home, as all the Trislanders 
>>>> were built at the Bembridge factory on the IOW.
>>>> Back with the thread?s main purpose why should Dick Jesse, who seems 
>>>> to have conducted himself honourably and courageously be represented 
>>>> as the man at the controls when the accident happened? How many such 
>>>> stories have there been down the years ? quite a few I suspect.
>>>> Dave Newbitt
>>>> *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:34 PM
>>>> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>>> *Subject:* [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
>>>> ?
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some 
>>>> research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had 
>>>> been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I 
>>>> discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to 
>>>> know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the 
>>>> gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel 
>>>> Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. 
>>>> Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and 
>>>> others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing 
>>>> gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them 
>>>> in hostile territory.? Nigel left to go on to greater things.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a 
>>>> Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence 
>>>> officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne 
>>>> invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be 
>>>> non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other 
>>>> passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the 
>>>> ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards 
>>>> to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when 
>>>> heavily laden.? There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out 
>>>> that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an 
>>>> additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir 
>>>> Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made 
>>>> matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel 
>>>> ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the 
>>>> aircraft himself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel 
>>>> attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the 
>>>> aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a 
>>>> Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other 
>>>> hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its 
>>>> vegetation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and 
>>>> Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to 
>>>> try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.? That?s when he became 
>>>> badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious 
>>>> detail? which I uncovered was that the official record states that 
>>>> Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the 
>>>> cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and 
>>>> other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all 
>>>> those in the cabin survived.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the 
>>>> night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction 
>>>> surgery.? He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually 
>>>> returned to his old squadron.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with 
>>>> Television Centre.? Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy 
>>>> family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a 
>>>> business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.? Their company, Norman and 
>>>> Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, 
>>>> Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey. After Sir 
>>>> Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and 
>>>> was invited to design a building for the BBC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on 
>>>> this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman 
>>>> and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that 
>>>> knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC 
>>>> scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from 
>>>> Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first 
>>>> live news OB.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of 
>>>> aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.? It has a 
>>>> similar twin rudder arrangement to the? Electra, which is the 
>>>> civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son 
>>>> Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the lengthy post.? This is the drastically stripped 
>>>> down version.? I have omitted a lot of other detail and background 
>>>> because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary 
>>>> and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right 
>>>> people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of 
>>>> TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by 
>>>> this connection.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> AlanTaylor
>>>>
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jun 28 06:00:23 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 12:00:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design
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Some impressive analysis there Peter and It?s nice to hear you miss the Trislanders. One could almost write a book about the protracted debates, changes of heart, ever changing timetabling etc. of replacements for the Aurigny planes in the form of the Dorniers. One option considered had in fact been reviving a production line for some new Trislanders but that fell by the wayside.

I put the Bembridge photo in after Nick mentioned visits there but I didn?t know the IOW was where you hailed from. This shot of Freshwater Bay and Easton which I took from the Trislander would be closer to home for you:




And for Chris, who writes of frequent Trislander flights to Alderney many years ago, here?s another of my shots from the aircraft just leaving the island. That amazing breakwater across the mouth of Bray Bay and Harbour is almost a kilometre long. I absolutely love the place

 

Best wishes to all of you. I?m reminded Peter that yours was one of the first faces I saw when I joined in 1962.

Dave Newbitt.
From: Peter Fox 
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 11:03 AM
To: David Newbitt ; Nick Ware ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design

You will be pleased to know that the last Aurigny Trislander in service, G-BEVT, was on outdoor static display, sitting on it's tail prop, at Duxford aerodrome in September 2018 having been flown up from Guernsey earlier that year, and presumably still there. I never flew in one but they have significance for me because they flew over my parent's house in Freshwater IOW several times a day for over forty years, following their idiosyncratic timetable between Alderney via Guernesy to Southampton. What made them so "notable" was their musical engine sound, around B flat below middle C, according to our concert pitched piano, depending on Mr Doppler's shift and whether they were fighting a gale or being carried along by it. They usually flew over at 2000 to 3000 feet but never more than 5000, so they had a significant presence.  Three flat-six Lycoming piston engines with two bladed props must have had a lot to do with it.  Although the 1pm (approx) fly-over was a good hint for lunch time, it wasn't a reliable time check. Occasional breakdowns, re-allocations as air ambulances to serve the smaller Channel Islands and other random cancellations.  Perhaps unsurprisingly the Channel Islander commuters had a love-hate relationship with them. Their cruising speed is about 165mph but I did catch sight of one flying north on the wings of a gale, dodging just below the cloud wrack and looking more like 220mph. The opposite could be true at other times, but never quite as dramatic as the Westland Walrus amphibian that Ian Marter, a school friend, told me his father had once seen flying backwards!  Despite their familiarity in West Wight life, they were so distinctive and pleasant sounding, I always had to look up at them passing by. The Dornier 228 replacements are so anodyne, so much quieter turbprops and generally flying at nearer 10,000 ft. They just don't register.  Mk IX T  Spitfires, carrying a now penniless passenger on an expensive treat or sometimes a pair of exhuberant single seaters, are the current but unpredictable entertainment.  However they are often frustratingly out of sight flying along at near cliff level to do a Needles Fly-by.  Britten Norman Trislanders are sadly missed.

Peter




On 27/06/2020 23:23, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:

  This will be familiar to you then Nick (from a 2012 holiday we had there)



  From: Nick Ware via Tech1 
  Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 10:27 PM
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design

  ? 
  ?The time that I should have had flying lessons but didn?t, largely due to an expensive divorce I was going through at the time, was during a period when much of my work came from a production company that owned a Piper Lance, G-BNJF. We thought nothing of meeting at Fairoaks and hopping across to Bembridge for morning coffee and a sausage roll in The Propeller Cafe. Something that impressed and intrigued me was that we used to watch Islander aircraft go from stationary to airborne on half the length of the taxi-way, barely 600ft long, so airborne in 300ft max. Never mind the runway, the taxi-way was good enough for them!  Impressive stuff, but necessary in those days for the steep approach into London City Airport, where they were a regular sight over the City.
  Nick.

  Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5


    On 27 Jun 2020, at 18:34, Alan Taylor via Tech1 mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk wrote:


    ? 
    Great stuff about the Islanders.  I was always seeing them at a local flying club near where I lived. 

    As for the misrepresentation of who was piloting, officially Dick Jesse was the pilot and Sir Nigel was not supposed to be flying it, so I wonder if it might have been some sort of ploy to conceal a transgression. Some have suggested that by claiming that Sir Norman broke his neck, his family were spared the ordeal of knowing how he actually died.

    One thought is to try again and see if I can find Dick?s service record to see if there was any more info. I didn?t get anywhere when I tried before. However I did locate the crash record, which supplied a lot of information.  It had perforated holes all around it which encoded the information ( numbers were encoded in binary ) so that they could rapidly sort data on stacks of cards by using knitting needles to lift matching cards, performing further sorts on either the cards raised by the needle, or the cards left behind.  1940s data processing.

    Alan Taylor


      On 27 Jun 2020, at 17:51, David Newbitt mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net wrote:


      ? 
      Fascinating stuff Alan, interesting to me on a number of levels beyond your primary thread, particularly your reference to the Britten Norman Islander designed by Desmond Norman. I gather that this was an aircraft of phenomenal utility with many examples still flying after 40 years service. I never flew in one but I have flown several times in the Trislander, also designed by Desmond, on the Aurigny service from Southampton to Alderney. These aircraft were held in great affection by the Channel Island folk,  one in particular registered as G-JOEY and inevitably known as Joey caused tears to be shed when it was finally retired in 2016. It had spent 34 of its 40 year life with Aurigny and had become the airline?s flagship with iconic status.

      A wide range of ?JOEY? merchandise had evolved over the years and had appeal for many, not least those who had flown on ?JOEY?S SCENIC TOURS? ? a 20 min flip round the Channel Islands. Now preserved complete with its ?Smiley? face it is on display in a barn at Oatlands Village on Guernsey. This is a web sourced image:-

      <Joey%20smiley%20face[2].jpg>
       

      Another of the Aurigny Trislanders was G-BEVT  the one I was on when I took photos including these two. On the tarmac at Alderney and in flight on the return journey.

      <Untitled-1%20composite[4].jpg>

      I also flew on G-RLON which is now preserved at the Solent Sky Museum in Southampton ? close to her home, as all the Trislanders were built at the Bembridge factory on the IOW.

      Back with the thread?s main purpose why should Dick Jesse, who seems to have conducted himself honourably and courageously be represented as the man at the controls when the accident happened? How many such stories have there been down the years ? quite a few I suspect.

      Dave Newbitt



      From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 
      Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 12:34 PM
      To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
      Subject: [Tech1] Interesting link to TVC design

      ? 
      ? 
      A few years ago I was asked by a very close friend to do some research about her father, Dick Jesse, who was a WWII pilot and had been very badly burned in a crash. In the course of unraveling it, I discovered a link between that crash and the design of TVC.




      Prior to the war, Dick Jesse learned to fly by gliding and got to know a posh bloke called Nigel Norman, who was another pilot at the gliding club. Their paths later crossed during the war when Nigel Norman was tasked with developing ways to land troops by glider. Dick Jesse by then was an RAF pilot in that squadron. They and others worked to resolve the problems of taking off while towing gliders full of troops behind Whitley bombers and then landing them in hostile territory.  Nigel left to go on to greater things. 




      They met up again in 1943 when Dick Jesse was instructed to fly a Lockheed Hudson containing a high ranking group of intelligence officers from Netheravon to Tunisia in order to plan the airborne invasion of Sicily. The highest ranking passenger turned out to be non other than Air Commodore Sir Nigel St Valery Norman CBE. Other passengers included a Wing Commander and a Squadron Leader. 




      The flight stopped at St Eval in Cornwall for refuelling and on the ground, Sir Nigel told Dick that he wanted to fly the plane onwards to Africa, but Dick insisted that Hudsons were difficult to fly when heavily laden.  There was a furious argument when Dick pointed out that their plane was not only heavily laden, but also had an additional and unnecessary passenger, Corporal Palmer, who was Sir Nigel?s batman. He was a rather large man too, which only made matters worse. The argument became very heated indeed and Sir Nigel ordered Dick to sit in the cabin and that he would pilot the aircraft himself.




      Immediately after take off, one of the engines failed and Sir Nigel attempted to make an emergency landing at St Mawgen, but the aircraft couldn?t maintain height and ended up crashing into a Cornish hedge, which from the air looks superficially like any other hedge, except it contains a substantial dry stone wall within its vegetation. 




      The crash soon became a fireball. Those in the cabin escaped and Dick returned to the burning aircraft in an unsuccessful attempt to try and rescue the navigator and Sir Nigel.  That?s when he became badly burned. Sir Nigel and the navigator perished, but one curious detail  which I uncovered was that the official record states that Dick was piloting the plane, and that Sir Nigel had been in the cabin, was thrown clear and broke his neck. Eye witness accounts and other evidence shows that Sir Nigel died in the cockpit while all those in the cabin survived.




      Dick was rushed to hospital and wasn?t expected to survive the night, but was taken to East Grinstead for facial reconstruction surgery.  He recovered, but was badly disfigured and eventually returned to his old squadron.




      By now you might be wondering what any of this might have to do with Television Centre.  Well, Nigel Norman came from a very wealthy family and between the wars, he was a keen pilot and formed a business partnership with Graham Dawbarn.  Their company, Norman and Dawbarn designed many aerodrome terminals, such as Heston, Brooklands, Birmingham, Manchester, Jersey and Guernsey.  After Sir Nigel?s death, Graham Dawbarn continued the business on his own and was invited to design a building for the BBC.




      Here is his preliminary sketch, famously drawn on an old postcard.





       




      I can also offer another connection explaining a previous posting on this group because in the course of researching the work of Norman and Dawbarn, I discovered a lot about Heston Aerodrome and that knowledge made me instantly connect that photograph of the old BBC scanner at Heston with the big story of Chamberlain returning from Munich with his piece of paper, which turned out to be the first live news OB.




      I?m not an aircraft spotter, but if anybody can identify the type of aircraft Chamberlain flew back in, I would be interested.  It has a similar twin rudder arrangement to the  Electra, which is the civilian version of the Hudson in which Sir Nigel perished.




      Further bonus fact for aircraft spotters is that Sir Nigel?s son Desmond went on to co-design the Britten Norman Islander aircraft. 




      Apologies for the lengthy post.  This is the drastically stripped down version.  I have omitted a lot of other detail and background because I felt that the story might make an interesting documentary and I researched it accordingly, but I never bumped into the right people to pitch the idea to. However with all this current talk of TVC?s 60th birthday, I thought some of you might be interested by this connection.




      AlanTaylor 


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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 28 07:04:26 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 13:04:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Poppy Fields
In-Reply-To: <f4d83334-52e4-907e-2aed-d4c852373352@gmail.com>
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Hollow Way is the spot, more specifically Herbert Hole as shown on the map. I had thought of identifying it by What3Words but am old fashioned like that.
I?ve just sent Dave a detailed guide on how to find it and hope he succeeds.
Under normal circumstances I?d off to lead a walk for anyone who wants to come but am happy to go with him if he?d like, at a mutually convenient time,
Geoff

> On 28 Jun 2020, at 11:23, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? An interesting problem to convert paper OS map co-ords to computer. It turns out that Streetmap.co.uk will take an OS reference, in this case SP 942 023, giving a place on Hollow Way.  Moving to What3words, one gets -
> 
> https://what3words.com/admits.afraid.galaxy
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 28/06/2020 10:17, David Thompson via Tech1 wrote:
>> Geoff,
>> In your email of 23/6 you said
>> 
>> "If anyone is inclined to see them and take an offering of their own, the poppies are still there about a mile from Chesham town centre. OS Explorer 181, Ref SP 942 023. It?s a pleasant walk across the fields with plenty of space to keep away from other people. You can drive but it?s a single track road and parking is limited. Full directions available on request?
>> 
>>  I went looking yesterday but couldn?t spot them so please send me directions - coming from Amersham
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> David Thompson
>> 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jun 28 12:39:33 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2020 18:39:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The future?
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Coming to a restaurant near you! Cheers, Dave

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jun 29 15:39:31 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 21:39:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Programme play out
Message-ID: <5efa5181.1c69fb81.216e1.18bd@mx.google.com>

Now, all you tech types,
Can you tell me if the ?playout? contractor for most of the digital TV channels have whacked a dip filter (noise suppressor) across all audio sources?
It sure sounds like it, and is most irritating as the background surges in and out.
No doubt it?s an attempt to placate the viewers who bleat that they cannot hear the dialogue, but why not just leave it as our expert post mixers have done their best with it?
Pat

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 05:24:08 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 11:24:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TVC at 60
Message-ID: <f7deae27-b12e-9f24-66a8-2caac70b8c5f@gmail.com>

A HUGE THANK YOU? to Roger Bunce and Bernie Newnham for their 
contributions (Roger particularly as he was in vision!) to the RTS 
production "Television Centre at 60"

I saw it listed on Facebook: for those that don't use Facebook, here is 
the link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ46phhFTCo&feature=youtu.be

Now, this programme had "TVC" for Television Centre: in my day it was 
always "TC", which was why the BBC Telecines were "TK"s . TC3 was Studio 
3, TK3 was Telecine 3.

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Alec

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jun 30 06:09:09 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 12:09:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
Message-ID: <5ea5323c-558a-22d3-a0a1-377027dbde87@btinternet.com>

The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will 
be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which 
was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that 
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- 
year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will 
make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in 
favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have 
one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the 
troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like 
fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted 
to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have 
always ben a deterent to akurate speling.

Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag 
is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" 
with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining 
"ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.

Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU 
understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze 
forst plas.

If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.

Cheers, Dave



From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Tue Jun 30 08:30:46 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 14:30:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Programme play out
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Pat,

Nothing obvious has changed in the recent past as far as I am aware.

Is it a specific channel(s) ? as quite a small number of playout facs these days (And shrinking all the time)

Many of the adjustments, especially ?loudness? are done by a program that does some maths and adjustments on the program files. (Tape is extinct in lots of areas, especially from post onwards. Some well-established channels never have had tape..  )

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
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Subject: [Tech1] Programme play out

 

Now, all you tech types,

Can you tell me if the ?playout? contractor for most of the digital TV channels have whacked a dip filter (noise suppressor) across all audio sources?

It sure sounds like it, and is most irritating as the background surges in and out.

No doubt it?s an attempt to placate the viewers who bleat that they cannot hear the dialogue, but why not just leave it as our expert post mixers have done their best with it?

Pat

 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jun 30 14:08:06 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 20:08:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Programme play out
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	<004b01d64ee2$a9a33830$fce9a890$@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Thanks for replying, Paul (and Richard D, as well).
The programme was Special Branch, on Talking Pictures TV.
Given the age of the episode, I?m now wondering if the b/g dipping
might have been on the original final dub.
Sadly the Post Mixer (Hugh Strain) is no longer with us, so can?t ask him!
Currently viewing Judge John Deed on Drama channel 20 ? exhibits the same ?dipping?, when there isn?t music over. Have a listen.....

Regards
Pat


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From: paul--- via Tech1
Sent: 30 June 2020 14:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Programme play out

Pat,
Nothing obvious has changed in the recent past as far as I am aware.
Is it a specific channel(s) ? as quite a small number of playout facs these days (And shrinking all the time)
Many of the adjustments, especially ?loudness? are done by a program that does some maths and adjustments on the program files. (Tape is extinct in lots of areas, especially from post onwards. Some well-established channels never have had tape.. ?)

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
Sent: 29 June 2020 21:40
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Programme play out

Now, all you tech types,
Can you tell me if the ?playout? contractor for most of the digital TV channels have whacked a dip filter (noise suppressor) across all audio sources?
It sure sounds like it, and is most irritating as the background surges in and out.
No doubt it?s an attempt to placate the viewers who bleat that they cannot hear the dialogue, but why not just leave it as our expert post mixers have done their best with it?
Pat

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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Tue Jun 30 17:02:13 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 23:02:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded
of the word *ghoti*, pronounced *fish ?* *gh* as in cough, *o* as in women
and *ti* as in nation.
KW

On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will
> be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which
> was the other possibility.
>
> As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that
> English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-
> year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
>
> In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will
> make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in
> favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have
> one less letter.
>
> There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the
> troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like
> fotograf 20% shorter.
>
> In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted
> to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
>
> Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have
> always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
>
> Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag
> is disgrasful and it should go away.
>
> By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th"
> with "z" and "w" with "v".
>
> During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining
> "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
>
> Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU
> understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
>
> Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze
> forst plas.
>
> If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.
>
> Cheers, Dave
>
>
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