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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Wed Jul  1 02:27:38 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 07:27:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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 I always had a soft spot for the 'P' sound in 'Hiccough', and the 'F' in 'Lieutenant'.
Please don't change the idiosyncrasies of English spelling. They're the only excuse I've got for being so bad at it!
luv, Rog.
    On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 23:02:54 BST, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded of the word?ghoti, pronounced fish ??gh as in cough, o as in women and ti as in nation.KW
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will 
be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which 
was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that 
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- 
year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will 
make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in 
favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have 
one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the 
troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like 
fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted 
to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have 
always ben a deterent to akurate speling.

Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag 
is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" 
with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining 
"ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.

Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU 
understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze 
forst plas.

If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.

Cheers, Dave


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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jul  1 02:36:54 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:36:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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I hope you won?t mind being described as "ex-centric? though, Roger. In fact many of us are, if you use that spelling.

Mike G


> On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:27, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I always had a soft spot for the 'P' sound in 'Hiccough', and the 'F' in 'Lieutenant'.
> 
> Please don't change the idiosyncrasies of English spelling. They're the only excuse I've got for being so bad at it!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 23:02:54 BST, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded of the word ghoti, pronounced fish ? gh as in cough, o as in women and ti as in nation.
> KW
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will 
> be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which 
> was the other possibility.
> 
> As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that 
> English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- 
> year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
> 
> In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will 
> make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in 
> favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have 
> one less letter.
> 
> There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the 
> troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like 
> fotograf 20% shorter.
> 
> In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted 
> to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
> 
> Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have 
> always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
> 
> Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag 
> is disgrasful and it should go away.
> 
> By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" 
> with "z" and "w" with "v".
> 
> During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining 
> "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
> 
> Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU 
> understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
> 
> Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze 
> forst plas.
> 
> If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.
> 
> Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 02:42:54 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:42:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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Hi all,

MN as in Autumn.  m
EAU as in Beau (Brummell). o
CHT as in Yacht. t
ORPS as in corps. or

Mneauchtorps = Motor

Best regards Alec

sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections.

On Wed, 1 Jul 2020, 08:28 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I always had a soft spot for the 'P' sound in 'Hiccough', and the 'F' in
> 'Lieutenant'.
>
> Please don't change the idiosyncrasies of English spelling. They're the
> only excuse I've got for being so bad at it!
>
> luv, Rog.
>
> On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 23:02:54 BST, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded
> of the word *ghoti*, pronounced *fish ?* *gh* as in cough, *o* as in
> women and *ti* as in nation.
> KW
>
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will
> be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which
> was the other possibility.
>
> As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that
> English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5-
> year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
>
> In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will
> make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in
> favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have
> one less letter.
>
> There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the
> troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like
> fotograf 20% shorter.
>
> In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted
> to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
>
> Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have
> always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
>
> Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag
> is disgrasful and it should go away.
>
> By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th"
> with "z" and "w" with "v".
>
> During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining
> "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
>
> Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU
> understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
>
> Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze
> forst plas.
>
> If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.
>
> Cheers, Dave
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jul  1 03:10:37 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:10:37 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Programme play out
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for your time in responding once again.
I assume that your Virgin Media is cable fed, thus it could well be a Freeview issue, as you say. I will check the sound settings  - I was viewing on a Samsung Smart TV. The other system that I have uses a DVD recorder as the tuner stage, and the audio from that goes to the hi-fi rig.
Best regards
Pat

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From: Paul Thackray
Sent: 01 July 2020 07:41
To: pat.heigham at amps.net; Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Programme play out

Hi Pat,
I was not able to watch/listen at the time, but managed to start my Virgin Media box and looked later. No obvious sound issues. I suppose it could be a freeview only issue.?

Alternatively your tv may have decided to switch on some sort of processing? I know mine has 2 pages of sound settings (no page numbers and not obvious until you go down at the bottom of the page!) Might be worth a check or re set?

The 2 channels use different playout providers TP uses Encompass and Drama uses Red Bee (as BBC, most of BT Sport and C4 ) so likly to have both added a simular feature?

Paul Thackray

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From: pat.heigham at amps.net
Sent: 30 June 2020 20:08
To: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Programme play out
Thanks for replying, Paul (and Richard D, as well).
The programme was Special Branch, on Talking Pictures TV.
Given the age of the episode, I?m now wondering if the b/g dipping
might have been on the original final dub.
Sadly the Post Mixer (Hugh Strain) is no longer with us, so can?t ask him!
Currently viewing Judge John Deed on Drama channel 20 ? exhibits the same ?dipping?, when there isn?t music over. Have a listen.....
?
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jul  1 03:30:38 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 09:30:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.



The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.

Dave Newbitt.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jul  1 04:23:42 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:23:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Here?s Wikipedia?s take on the history of Lime Grove Studios.
Wiki is not always 100% correct ? it mentions Steptoe & Son being made in LG, but as it was an audience show, when I was Grams on it, I always knew it as being from TC3 or 4 which had the audience seating.
The diagram must have been drawn in TV days, as in the film industry, the ?studios? are known as ?stages? ? a throwback to theatre?

Also mentioning The Grove Family ? I refused a second half in the Club at suppertime, and got to the studio for Grove, (live), climbed up on the boom ? I had the first line of dialogue ? just as the Transmission countdown had reached ?five?. Sound Supervisor was having kittens, as he couldn?t raise me on talkback! Phew! That was close!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_Grove_Studios;

If I had wished to buy a flat on the site, after demolition, I might have named it Studio R, after the sound studio wherein I spent most of my Wednesdays for several years, assembling the effects for Dr.Who.

Pat

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 01 July 2020 09:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove

With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.
?
The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.
?
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jul  1 04:56:24 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:56:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Didn?t D have audience seating?

Graeme Wall

> On 1 Jul 2020, at 10:24, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Here?s Wikipedia?s take on the history of Lime Grove Studios.
> Wiki is not always 100% correct ? it mentions Steptoe & Son being made in LG, but as it was an audience show, when I was Grams on it, I always knew it as being from TC3 or 4 which had the audience seating.
> The diagram must have been drawn in TV days, as in the film industry, the ?studios? are known as ?stages? ? a throwback to theatre?
>  
> Also mentioning The Grove Family ? I refused a second half in the Club at suppertime, and got to the studio for Grove, (live), climbed up on the boom ? I had the first line of dialogue ? just as the Transmission countdown had reached ?five?. Sound Supervisor was having kittens, as he couldn?t raise me on talkback! Phew! That was close!
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_Grove_Studios;
>  
> If I had wished to buy a flat on the site, after demolition, I might have named it Studio R, after the sound studio wherein I spent most of my Wednesdays for several years, assembling the effects for Dr.Who.
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: David Newbitt via Tech1
> Sent: 01 July 2020 09:31
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
>  
> With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.
>  
> The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 05:14:11 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:14:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Try

http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/old%20bbc%20studios.htm#lime

A far more accurate site than Wiki.

Seems that the BBC bought Lime Grove in November 1949, the drawing is dated 1951.





From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2020 10:23 AM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove

Here?s Wikipedia?s take on the history of Lime Grove Studios.

Wiki is not always 100% correct ? it mentions Steptoe & Son being made in LG, but as it was an audience show, when I was Grams on it, I always knew it as being from TC3 or 4 which had the audience seating.

The diagram must have been drawn in TV days, as in the film industry, the ?studios? are known as ?stages? ? a throwback to theatre?

 

Also mentioning The Grove Family ? I refused a second half in the Club at suppertime, and got to the studio for Grove, (live), climbed up on the boom ? I had the first line of dialogue ? just as the Transmission countdown had reached ?five?. Sound Supervisor was having kittens, as he couldn?t raise me on talkback! Phew! That was close!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_Grove_Studios;

 

If I had wished to buy a flat on the site, after demolition, I might have named it Studio R, after the sound studio wherein I spent most of my Wednesdays for several years, assembling the effects for Dr.Who.

 

Pat

 

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 01 July 2020 09:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove

 

With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.

 

The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.

 

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 05:16:20 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:16:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Hancock had an audience in D in the 50s.

Studio G would also have had seats for the Simon Dee audiences.




From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2020 10:56 AM
To: patheigham 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove

Didn?t D have audience seating?


Graeme Wall


  On 1 Jul 2020, at 10:24, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


  ? 
  Here?s Wikipedia?s take on the history of Lime Grove Studios.

  Wiki is not always 100% correct ? it mentions Steptoe & Son being made in LG, but as it was an audience show, when I was Grams on it, I always knew it as being from TC3 or 4 which had the audience seating.

  The diagram must have been drawn in TV days, as in the film industry, the ?studios? are known as ?stages? ? a throwback to theatre?

   

  Also mentioning The Grove Family ? I refused a second half in the Club at suppertime, and got to the studio for Grove, (live), climbed up on the boom ? I had the first line of dialogue ? just as the Transmission countdown had reached ?five?. Sound Supervisor was having kittens, as he couldn?t raise me on talkback! Phew! That was close!

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_Grove_Studios;

   

  If I had wished to buy a flat on the site, after demolition, I might have named it Studio R, after the sound studio wherein I spent most of my Wednesdays for several years, assembling the effects for Dr.Who.

   

  Pat

   

  Sent from Mail for Windows 10

   

  From: David Newbitt via Tech1
  Sent: 01 July 2020 09:31
  To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
  Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove

   

  With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.

   

  The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.

   

  Dave Newbitt.

   




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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Wed Jul  1 05:25:08 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:25:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
In-Reply-To: <D04E850E965B4031950FC2676DE28880@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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A truly wonderful find!
What a mess it was and yet it reeked of the glory of Gainsborough studios where a younger Alfred Hitchcock worked.

I did some of my early Play School programmes at Lime Grove and realised it wasn?t the same illusion I had in my head when we had as an exercise in Roman Lettering at art school to letter an entrance sign in something like Trajan or Perpetua.

BBC
LIME
GROVE

The canteen was a convoluted journey overlooking the houses in Lime Grove itself that were bought as overspill for the Panorama  staff. In ?This is the BBC?, the Richard Cawston Documentary there is footage of Rex Moorfoot in the Panorama office (LGS) discussing the programme.

It was a thrill to work there when I started out at the BBC like many now on the forum we have fond memories.

Albert


> On 1 Jul 2020, at 09:30, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.
>  
> <Lime%20Grove%201950%20before%20BBC%20moved%20in[6].jpg>
>  
> The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jul  1 06:43:58 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 12:43:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
In-Reply-To: <0FC637E0-0EE7-4163-A0F1-C0388AA0A1E8@btinternet.com>
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This Alamy copyright photo is described as the 1st production by the BBC at LG Studios. Dated as being May 1950, Studio D with Wilfred Pickles seated. And doubtless with ?Mabel at the table? somewhere!



Dave Newbitt.

From: Albert Barber 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:25 AM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: Albert Barber ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove

A truly wonderful find! 
What a mess it was and yet it reeked of the glory of Gainsborough studios where a younger Alfred Hitchcock worked.

I did some of my early Play School programmes at Lime Grove and realised it wasn?t the same illusion I had in my head when we had as an exercise in Roman Lettering at art school to letter an entrance sign in something like Trajan or Perpetua.

BBC
LIME
GROVE

The canteen was a convoluted journey overlooking the houses in Lime Grove itself that were bought as overspill for the Panorama  staff. In ?This is the BBC?, the Richard Cawston Documentary there is footage of Rex Moorfoot in the Panorama office (LGS) discussing the programme.

It was a thrill to work there when I started out at the BBC like many now on the forum we have fond memories.

Albert


  On 1 Jul 2020, at 09:30, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.

  <Lime%20Grove%201950%20before%20BBC%20moved%20in[6].jpg>

  The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.

  Dave Newbitt.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jul  1 07:33:05 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:33:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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The Wiki item Pat draws attention to gives 21st May 1950 as the BBC opening of the LG Studios. That would tie in with the claim on the Alamy photograph I?ve posted that May 1950 saw the first of the productions from the complex, specifically from Studio D.

As to the date for the drawing, it is in a way academic as it represents the layout as it stood at the start of the BBC era. I don?t remember where I found the image but it was around 5 years ago and although dated 1951 I had made a note at the time that the drawing had been executed in 1950. If that was the case then the fact of a first production in May of that year would not preclude the possibility of the drawing predating the official opening.

Pat?s point about studios/stages is well made but if the drawing was executed/commissioned looking ahead to the upcoming opening, the terminology employed would have anticipated that.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:23 AM
To: David Newbitt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Lime Grove

Here?s Wikipedia?s take on the history of Lime Grove Studios.

Wiki is not always 100% correct ? it mentions Steptoe & Son being made in LG, but as it was an audience show, when I was Grams on it, I always knew it as being from TC3 or 4 which had the audience seating.

The diagram must have been drawn in TV days, as in the film industry, the ?studios? are known as ?stages? ? a throwback to theatre?

 

Also mentioning The Grove Family ? I refused a second half in the Club at suppertime, and got to the studio for Grove, (live), climbed up on the boom ? I had the first line of dialogue ? just as the Transmission countdown had reached ?five?. Sound Supervisor was having kittens, as he couldn?t raise me on talkback! Phew! That was close!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lime_Grove_Studios;

 

If I had wished to buy a flat on the site, after demolition, I might have named it Studio R, after the sound studio wherein I spent most of my Wednesdays for several years, assembling the effects for Dr.Who.

 

Pat

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 01 July 2020 09:31
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove

 

With the recent forum focus on TC, in particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.

 

The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.

 

Dave Newbitt.

 




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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 07:43:56 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:43:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Hi,

In that photo of the first transmission from Lime Grove, it is of 
interest to note that the camera is not identified on the side by its 
number and it does not have a top cue light.? Certainly by Jan 1963 the 
CPS Emitrons in the Grove all had side identifiers and top red cue 
lights.? Does anyone know when these were added? - and was there any 
"incident" which prompted their use?

-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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home:   0118 981 7502




From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jul  1 07:59:47 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 13:59:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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References: <D04E850E965B4031950FC2676DE28880@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
	<5efc561d.1c69fb81.31759.bdcc@mx.google.com>
	<BF6D366255264430879E33925FDB8872@0023242e4e14>
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Thanks, David, a very much better story of LG, a super site altogether.
I can enlarge on the colour shot taken in the Sound Control of ?D?.
It came from some 8mm cine footage that I took, to show my parents
what I did at work. The Sound Supervisor was Jack Brummitt. Think he went to Bristol, but no idea if he?s still alive.
I gave permission for 2-Entertain, who produce the commercial DVD?s of some BBC programmes, to use it, and it appeared on the extras disc of Dr. Who ? The Ice Warriors. I also took part in a commentary recording, also contained on the extras DVD.
Here?s a photo of that session:
L-R Tony Hadoke (moderator), Frazer Hines, Debbie Watling, self,
Sonny Caldinez (a very large Warrior!)
It was recorded at Paddy Kingsland?s Hammersmith studio, he was instrumental in the Radiophonics Workshop at Maida Vale, previously.
Toby wanted to do a follow-up podcast about sound and grams work, so I roped in Mike McCarthy, in whose dining room we recorded. It was an excellent session, as we kept bouncing memories off each other.
If anyone is interested, I can send an audio file. Bernie, do you want it for the tech-ops History site? I?m sure I can get permission from Toby, if so.
Regards
Pat



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From: David Brunt
Sent: 01 July 2020 11:14
To: patheigham; David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove

Try

http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/old%20bbc%20studios.htm#lime

A far more accurate site than Wiki.

Seems that the BBC bought Lime Grove in November 1949, the drawing is dated 1951.


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Jul  1 08:02:54 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:02:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
In-Reply-To: <5efc88c1.1c69fb81.c9504.aada@mx.google.com>
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Misprint: it?s Toby Hadoke.
Pat

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From: patheigham
Sent: 01 July 2020 13:59
To: David Brunt; David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: RE: [Tech1] Lime Grove

Thanks, David, a very much better story of LG, a super site altogether.
I can enlarge on the colour shot taken in the Sound Control of ?D?.
It came from some 8mm cine footage that I took, to show my parents
what I did at work. The Sound Supervisor was Jack Brummitt. Think he went to Bristol, but no idea if he?s still alive.
I gave permission for 2-Entertain, who produce the commercial DVD?s of some BBC programmes, to use it, and it appeared on the extras disc of Dr. Who ? The Ice Warriors. I also took part in a commentary recording, also contained on the extras DVD.
Here?s a photo of that session:
L-R Tony Hadoke (moderator), Frazer Hines, Debbie Watling, self,
Sonny Caldinez (a very large Warrior!)
It was recorded at Paddy Kingsland?s Hammersmith studio, he was instrumental in the Radiophonics Workshop at Maida Vale, previously.
Toby wanted to do a follow-up podcast about sound and grams work, so I roped in Mike McCarthy, in whose dining room we recorded. It was an excellent session, as we kept bouncing memories off each other.
If anyone is interested, I can send an audio file. Bernie, do you want it for the tech-ops History site? I?m sure I can get permission from Toby, if so.
Regards
Pat


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From: David Brunt
Sent: 01 July 2020 11:14
To: patheigham; David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove

Try

http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/old%20bbc%20studios.htm#lime

A far more accurate site than Wiki.

Seems that the BBC bought Lime Grove in November 1949, the drawing is dated 1951.

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Jul  1 08:12:00 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 14:12:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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In article <5efc561d.1c69fb81.31759.bdcc at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Wiki is not always 100% correct ? it mentions Steptoe & Son being made
> in LG, but as it was an audience show, when I was Grams on it, I always
> knew it as being from TC3 or 4 which had the audience seating.

I remember working on the pilot. In TC. A sitcom designed for TC3 or 4
wouldn't easily transfer to a LG studio.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 08:51:43 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:51:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Always up for new material

B


On 01/07/2020 13:59, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Thanks, David, a very much better story of LG, a super site altogether.
>
> I can enlarge on the colour shot taken in the Sound Control of ?D?.
>
> It came from some 8mm cine footage that I took, to show my parents
>
> what I did at work. The Sound Supervisor was Jack Brummitt. Think he 
> went to Bristol, but no idea if he?s still alive.
>
> I gave permission for 2-Entertain, who produce the commercial DVD?s of 
> some BBC programmes, to use it, and it appeared on the extras disc of 
> Dr. Who ? The Ice Warriors. I also took part in a commentary 
> recording, also contained on the extras DVD.
>
> Here?s a photo of that session:
>
> L-R Tony Hadoke (moderator), Frazer Hines, Debbie Watling, self,
>
> Sonny Caldinez (a very large Warrior!)
>
> It was recorded at Paddy Kingsland?s Hammersmith studio, he was 
> instrumental in the Radiophonics Workshop at Maida Vale, previously.
>
> Toby wanted to do a follow-up podcast about sound and grams work, so I 
> roped in Mike McCarthy, in whose dining room we recorded. It was an 
> excellent session, as we kept bouncing memories off each other.
>
> If anyone is interested, I can send an audio file. Bernie, do you want 
> it for the tech-ops History site? I?m sure I can get permission from 
> Toby, if so.
>
> Regards
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
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> *From: *David Brunt <mailto:davidvbrunt at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *01 July 2020 11:14
> *To: *patheigham <mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>; David Newbitt 
> <mailto:dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove
>
> Try
>
> http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/old%20bbc%20studios.htm#lime
>
> A far more accurate site than Wiki.
>
> Seems that the BBC bought Lime Grove in November 1949, the drawing is 
> dated 1951.
>
>
>
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From paulvictork at uwclub.net  Wed Jul  1 11:54:14 2020
From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 16:54:14 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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There have been many contributions to the TVC? ?and now Lime Grove, I/we were working there. These are super tales and bring back happy memories . I believe that these tales should all be collated into perhaps two files and perhaps later published Unfortunately I cannot help in this, but many of thes tales are to god to go astray.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Wed Jul  1 12:02:33 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:02:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Every so often, Alec Bray archives selected postings from this group and puts them on the tech ops site. I have every confidence the the recent TV history discussion will be preserved in that manner.

Alan Taylor

> On 1 Jul 2020, at 17:54, paulvictork--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There have been many contributions to the TVC   and now Lime Grove, I/we were working there. These are super tales and bring back happy memories . I believe that these tales should all be collated into perhaps two files and perhaps later published Unfortunately I cannot help in this, but many of thes tales are to god to go astray.
> Best wishes Paul Kay 
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jul  1 12:32:41 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:32:41 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Just to say, I bought the TVC Architect?s Drawing (poster) and it?s fabulous. A bit bigger than I expected, but I?ll find a good spot to display it. Well worth your ?28.50!
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 1 Jul 2020, at 18:03, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Every so often, Alec Bray archives selected postings from this group and puts them on the tech ops site. I have every confidence the the recent TV history discussion will be preserved in that manner.

Alan Taylor

On 1 Jul 2020, at 17:54, paulvictork--- via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
There have been many contributions to the TVC   and now Lime Grove, I/we were working there. These are super tales and bring back happy memories . I believe that these tales should all be collated into perhaps two files and perhaps later published Unfortunately I cannot help in this, but many of thes tales are to god to go astray.
Best wishes Paul Kay
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From: martin at mridout.force9.co.uk (Martin Ridout)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 22:53:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Some years ago I found a book in a charity shop about the Lime Grove 
studios pre-BBC. It was published in the early to mid 1930s by 
Gaumont-British Picture Corporation.

I have been meaning to digitise it and share it here. This thread was 
the trigger to do so. So  here it is (attached) as a pdf file about 
3.7MB. Many interesting pictures of the studios and support areas, and 
plans of the three floors. (As far as I know, there are no copyright 
issues.)

Martin Ridout

On 01/07/2020 09:30, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> With the recent forum focus on TC, in  particular the wonderful cutaway drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the TC one.
>
> The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving the image if anyone wants to.

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Jul  1 17:22:14 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 23:22:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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What a treasure house of information Martin, fascinating on every level. 
Thanks are due to you for making it available to us all . Well done indeed!

Can't resist noting that the authors are quite happy with 'studio'!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Martin Ridout via Tech1
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:53 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove

Some years ago I found a book in a charity shop about the Lime Grove
studios pre-BBC. It was published in the early to mid 1930s by
Gaumont-British Picture Corporation.

I have been meaning to digitise it and share it here. This thread was
the trigger to do so. So  here it is (attached) as a pdf file about
3.7MB. Many interesting pictures of the studios and support areas, and
plans of the three floors. (As far as I know, there are no copyright
issues.)

Martin Ridout

On 01/07/2020 09:30, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> With the recent forum focus on TC, in  particular the wonderful cutaway 
> drawings, my thoughts went back to the earlier wonder of Lime Grove. I 
> honestly can?t recall whether I?ve posted this before (or indeed if it?s 
> known about because someone else posted it), but this pre BBC occupation 
> cutaway is a fascinating reminder even if hardly in the same class as the 
> TC one.
>
> The drawing is dated 1951 although I believe it was executed in 1950. I 
> think the signature is Raymond C Arnold. I wonder who he was and why it 
> was drawn? I?ve included the file also as an attachment for ease of saving 
> the image if anyone wants to.







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From mibridge at mac.com  Wed Jul  1 18:12:43 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 00:12:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
Message-ID: <9FF45554-D824-4D63-8C88-1D2BBB8AA03B@mac.com>

?Yes, Jack Brummitt went to Bristol where he became an SA1, rather than SS. I have forgotten the story behind the move, but he was a great teacher and I learnt a lot from him. I recall that he?d had an argument with a telegraph pole, whilst riding a motorbike, I fancy, and he proudly wore the yellow pullover that still showed the resulting black pitch stains. I think he?d probably been quite badly hurt, but he still wielded an impressive boom. He was doing a boom for Going for a Song, with Arthur Negus, with Dickie Bird on the other boom, I believe, later one of David Attenborough?s regular recordists. They misjudged the time and were still in the bar when someone rang the barman to ask if they were there as we were within ten minutes of transmission! They raced back and were horrified to see that the two- minute red lights were already flashing as they came down the corridor. The small audience was amazed to see these two rush to their booms and leap onto the platform just as the opening titles we?re running. Fortunately their athleticism was equal to the task and there were no mishaps as they climbed the precarious steps of the Mole boom. No questions were asked afterwards as far as I can recall and the show went without a hitch. 

I can?t put a date on it, but Jack died some time ago.

Mike G

> On 1 Jul 2020, at 13:59, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, David, a very much better story of LG, a super site altogether.
> I can enlarge on the colour shot taken in the Sound Control of ?D?.
> It came from some 8mm cine footage that I took, to show my parents
> what I did at work. The Sound Supervisor was Jack Brummitt. Think he went to Bristol, but no idea if he?s still alive.
> I gave permission for 2-Entertain, who produce the commercial DVD?s of some BBC programmes, to use it, and it appeared on the extras disc of Dr. Who ? The Ice Warriors. I also took part in a commentary recording, also contained on the extras DVD.
> Here?s a photo of that session:
> L-R Tony Hadoke (moderator), Frazer Hines, Debbie Watling, self,
> Sonny Caldinez (a very large Warrior!)
> It was recorded at Paddy Kingsland?s Hammersmith studio, he was instrumental in the Radiophonics Workshop at Maida Vale, previously.
> Toby wanted to do a follow-up podcast about sound and grams work, so I roped in Mike McCarthy, in whose dining room we recorded. It was an excellent session, as we kept bouncing memories off each other.
> If anyone is interested, I can send an audio file. Bernie, do you want it for the tech-ops History site? I?m sure I can get permission from Toby, if so.
> Regards
> Pat
> 
> <CF47B38A213D4FFA92B8A88CEC560B11.jpg>
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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> From: David Brunt
> Sent: 01 July 2020 11:14
> To: patheigham; David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove
>  
> Try
> 
> http://www.tvstudiohistory.co.uk/old%20bbc%20studios.htm#lime
> 
> A far more accurate site than Wiki.
> 
> Seems that the BBC bought Lime Grove in November 1949, the drawing is dated 1951.
> 
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From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk  Wed Jul  1 23:05:44 2020
From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 05:05:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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Roger never was very centric so can?t be accused of being ex

Peter Fox

On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:37, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?I hope you won?t mind being described as "ex-centric? though, Roger. In fact many of us are, if you use that spelling.

Mike G


> On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:27, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I always had a soft spot for the 'P' sound in 'Hiccough', and the 'F' in 'Lieutenant'.
> 
> Please don't change the idiosyncrasies of English spelling. They're the only excuse I've got for being so bad at it!
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 23:02:54 BST, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded of the word ghoti, pronounced fish ? gh as in cough, o as in women and ti as in nation.
> KW
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will 
> be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which 
> was the other possibility.
> 
> As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that 
> English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- 
> year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
> 
> In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will 
> make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in 
> favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have 
> one less letter.
> 
> There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the 
> troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like 
> fotograf 20% shorter.
> 
> In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted 
> to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
> 
> Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have 
> always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
> 
> Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag 
> is disgrasful and it should go away.
> 
> By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" 
> with "z" and "w" with "v".
> 
> During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining 
> "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
> 
> Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU 
> understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
> 
> Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze 
> forst plas.
> 
> If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.
> 
> Cheers, Dave
> 
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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Jul  2 01:07:12 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 07:07:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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I was obviously too obtuse as I was thinking Television Centric. 

Mike G

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 05:06, Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger never was very centric so can?t be accused of being ex
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:37, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I hope you won?t mind being described as "ex-centric? though, Roger. In fact many of us are, if you use that spelling.
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:27, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I always had a soft spot for the 'P' sound in 'Hiccough', and the 'F' in 'Lieutenant'.
>> 
>> Please don't change the idiosyncrasies of English spelling. They're the only excuse I've got for being so bad at it!
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 23:02:54 BST, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded of the word ghoti, pronounced fish ? gh as in cough, o as in women and ti as in nation.
>> KW
>> 
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will 
>> be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which 
>> was the other possibility.
>> 
>> As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that 
>> English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- 
>> year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
>> 
>> In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will 
>> make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in 
>> favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have 
>> one less letter.
>> 
>> There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the 
>> troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like 
>> fotograf 20% shorter.
>> 
>> In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted 
>> to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
>> 
>> Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have 
>> always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
>> 
>> Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag 
>> is disgrasful and it should go away.
>> 
>> By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" 
>> with "z" and "w" with "v".
>> 
>> During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining 
>> "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
>> 
>> Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU 
>> understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
>> 
>> Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze 
>> forst plas.
>> 
>> If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.
>> 
>> Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul  2 02:57:19 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 08:57:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Lime Grove
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Thanks for that, Mike.
I very much liked working with Jack, a very pleasant man.
Mostly with him on Dr. Who ? the early days!
I think I knew he had passed away ? and I was saddened to hear.

The story of the two boom ops nearly missing transmission so closely matches mine on The Grove Family, so maybe it?s something in the beer!

Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Mike Giles
Sent: 02 July 2020 00:12
To: patheigham
Cc: David Brunt; David Newbitt; Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Lime Grove

?Yes, Jack Brummitt went to Bristol where he became an SA1, rather than SS. I have forgotten the story behind the move, but he was a great teacher and I learnt a lot from him. I recall that he?d had an argument with a telegraph pole, whilst riding a motorbike, I fancy, and he proudly wore the yellow pullover that still showed the resulting black pitch stains. I think he?d probably been quite badly hurt, but he still wielded an impressive boom. He was doing a boom for Going for a Song, with Arthur Negus, with Dickie Bird on the other boom, I believe, later one of David Attenborough?s regular recordists. They misjudged the time and were still in the bar when someone rang the barman to ask if they were there as we were within ten minutes of transmission! They raced back and were horrified to see that the two- minute red lights were already flashing as they came down the corridor. The small audience was amazed to see these two rush to their booms and leap onto the platform just as the opening titles we?re running. Fortunately their athleticism was equal to the task and there were no mishaps as they climbed the precarious steps of the Mole boom. No questions were asked afterwards as far as I can recall and the show went without a hitch.?

I can?t put a date on it, but Jack died some time ago.

Mike G





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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  2 03:19:54 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 08:19:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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 Unless, of course, you mean Ex-TV-Centric - as many of us are.
luv, Rog.
    On Thursday, 2 July 2020, 05:05:46 BST, Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Roger never was very centric so can?t be accused of being ex

Peter Fox
On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:37, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?I hope you won?t mind being described as "ex-centric? though, Roger. In fact many of us are, if you use that spelling.
Mike G


On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:27, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
 I always had a soft spot for the 'P' sound in 'Hiccough', and the 'F' in 'Lieutenant'.
Please don't change the idiosyncrasies of English spelling. They're the only excuse I've got for being so bad at it!
luv, Rog.
    On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 23:02:54 BST, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded of the word?ghoti, pronounced fish ??gh as in cough, o as in women and ti as in nation.KW
On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will 
be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which 
was the other possibility.

As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that 
English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- 
year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".

In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will 
make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in 
favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have 
one less letter.

There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the 
troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like 
fotograf 20% shorter.

In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted 
to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.

Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have 
always ben a deterent to akurate speling.

Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag 
is disgrasful and it should go away.

By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" 
with "z" and "w" with "v".

During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining 
"ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.

Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU 
understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.

Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze 
forst plas.

If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.

Cheers, Dave


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From mibridge at mac.com  Thu Jul  2 04:06:51 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:06:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Language
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Precisely!

Mike G


> On 2 Jul 2020, at 09:19, ROGER BUNCE <rogerbunce at btinternet.com> wrote:
> 
> Unless, of course, you mean Ex-TV-Centric - as many of us are.
> 
> luv, Rog.
> 
> On Thursday, 2 July 2020, 05:05:46 BST, Peter Fox <peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Roger never was very centric so can?t be accused of being ex
> 
> Peter Fox
> 
> On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:37, Mike Giles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I hope you won?t mind being described as "ex-centric? though, Roger. In fact many of us are, if you use that spelling.
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 1 Jul 2020, at 08:27, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> I always had a soft spot for the 'P' sound in 'Hiccough', and the 'F' in 'Lieutenant'.
>> 
>> Please don't change the idiosyncrasies of English spelling. They're the only excuse I've got for being so bad at it!
>> 
>> luv, Rog.
>> 
>> On Tuesday, 30 June 2020, 23:02:54 BST, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Agreed that English spelling does have room for improvement. I'm reminded of the word ghoti, pronounced fish ? gh as in cough, o as in women and ti as in nation.
>> KW
>> 
>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 12:09, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> The European Commission has announced an agreement whereby English will 
>> be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which 
>> was the other possibility.
>> 
>> As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that 
>> English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- 
>> year phase-in plan that would become known as "Euro-English".
>> 
>> In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will 
>> make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in 
>> favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have 
>> one less letter.
>> 
>> There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the 
>> troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like 
>> fotograf 20% shorter.
>> 
>> In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted 
>> to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
>> 
>> Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have 
>> always ben a deterent to akurate speling.
>> 
>> Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag 
>> is disgrasful and it should go away.
>> 
>> By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" 
>> with "z" and "w" with "v".
>> 
>> During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining 
>> "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensi bl riten styl.
>> 
>> Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU 
>> understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
>> 
>> Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze 
>> forst plas.
>> 
>> If zis mad you smil, pleas pas on to oza pepl.
>> 
>> Cheers, Dave
>> 
>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 05:52:48 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 11:52:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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I just want to point out again that what we are recording, like 
everything on websites, is terribly fragile.? Currently it's all well 
backed up by the hosting provider and me, but it's just magnetic stuff 
on a disc drive.? It's in my will that someone keeps paying for a 
decade, but if they lose interest - poof! - all gone. It's very cheap to 
keep going, so this isn't me looking for money, but I have no idea how 
all this history can be properly saved.

Maybe someone can have an idea.

B
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Thu Jul  2 06:52:26 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:52:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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References: <4570ea07-81b4-1462-0a21-7f56528fa2b7@gmail.com>
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Would the British Library be interested?  They have a project to preserve digital records of interest.

Graeme Wall

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> I just want to point out again that what we are recording, like everything on websites, is terribly fragile.  Currently it's all well backed up by the hosting provider and me, but it's just magnetic stuff on a disc drive.  It's in my will that someone keeps paying for a decade, but if they lose interest - poof! - all gone.  It's very cheap to keep going, so this isn't me looking for money, but I have no idea how all this history can be properly saved.
> 
> Maybe someone can have an idea.
> 
> B
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 03:22:09 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 09:22:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk - Paices Wood
Message-ID: <15006344-7b50-fe5c-bdf5-59cbb841785d@gmail.com>

HI,

On one side of the A340 is the Atomic Weapons Establishment: on the 
other is Paice's Wood (behind the car supermarket and down a track).


In between the car park and one of the seven lakes there was a stand of 
Hollyhock.


How would YOU have taken this picture?? All ideas welcome!!

It could have been a boring old eye-level view with the lake and trees 
in the background. In the event, the phone was upside down (oh dear, the 
phone camera) - to get the lens as close to the ground as possible - and 
it was just about impossible to see what the picture actually was.? I 
must have made a sight, kneeling down with the my forehead on the ground 
...? How we suffer for our art ...

I was hoping to take another view with the flowers and Chester - and 
yes,with the lake and trees in the background.? Chester?? I will sit 
HERE and I will NOT sit next to those flowers!

At least we managed to dodge all the showers!

-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  3 03:38:00 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 08:38:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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References: <4570ea07-81b4-1462-0a21-7f56528fa2b7@gmail.com>
	<BDFCF3AB-6975-4204-B8DA-B8BEA07CC2BF@icloud.com>
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 A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.
luv, Rog.
    On Thursday, 2 July 2020, 12:53:02 BST, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Would the British Library be interested?? They have a project to preserve digital records of interest.

Graeme Wall

> On 2 Jul 2020, at 11:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? 
> I just want to point out again that what we are recording, like everything on websites, is terribly fragile.? Currently it's all well backed up by the hosting provider and me, but it's just magnetic stuff on a disc drive.? It's in my will that someone keeps paying for a decade, but if they lose interest - poof! - all gone.? It's very cheap to keep going, so this isn't me looking for money, but I have no idea how all this history can be properly saved.
> 
> Maybe someone can have an idea.
> 
> B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  3 03:47:12 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 09:47:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Walk - Paices Wood
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Very pretty! Here's a video for Chester to make him feel proud! Cheers, Dave

On 03/07/2020 09:22, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote:
>
> HI,
>
> On one side of the A340 is the Atomic Weapons Establishment: on the 
> other is Paice's Wood (behind the car supermarket and down a track).
>
>
> In between the car park and one of the seven lakes there was a stand 
> of Hollyhock.
>
>
> How would YOU have taken this picture?? All ideas welcome!!
>
> It could have been a boring old eye-level view with the lake and trees 
> in the background. In the event, the phone was upside down (oh dear, 
> the phone camera) - to get the lens as close to the ground as possible 
> - and it was just about impossible to see what the picture actually 
> was.? I must have made a sight, kneeling down with the my forehead on 
> the ground ...? How we suffer for our art ...
>
> I was hoping to take another view with the flowers and Chester - and 
> yes,with the lake and trees in the background.? Chester? I will sit 
> HERE and I will NOT sit next to those flowers!
>
> At least we managed to dodge all the showers!
>
> -- 
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  3 03:49:40 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 09:49:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A real life-saver.
Message-ID: <dc64aee6-3f7f-e01d-1cdc-715f837733bb@btinternet.com>

Here's another doggy video I've been sent, amazing what animals can do! 
Cheers, Dave

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  3 03:55:51 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 09:55:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Joke du Jour
Message-ID: <bf4f3912-5382-1503-6c71-8015a32a10a4@btinternet.com>

*/What will the joke writers do when the pandemic is over? -
/*


*//A woman was at her hairdresser's getting her hair styled for a trip 
to Rome with her husband.. She mentioned the trip to the hairdresser, 
who responded://*


*//" Rome ? Why would anyone want to go there? It's crowded and dirty.. 
You're crazy to go to Rome .. So, how are you getting there?"//*


*//"We're taking BA," was the reply. "We got a great rate!"//*

*//
*//
//*
"BA?" exclaimed the hairdresser.. " That's a terrible airline. Their 
planes are old, their flight attendants are ugly, and they're always 
late. So, where are you staying in Rome ?"//*


*//"We'll be at this exclusive little place over on Rome 's Tiber River 
called Teste."//*


*//"Don't go any further. I know that place. Everybody thinks its gonna 
be something special and exclusive, but it's really a dump."//*


*//"We're going to go to see the Vatican and maybe get to see the Pope."//*


*//"That's rich," laughed the hairdresser. You and a million other 
people trying to see him. He'll look the size of an ant.//*


*//Boy, good luck on this lousy trip of yours. You're going to need 
it..."//*



*//A month later, the woman again came in for a hairdo. The hairdresser 
asked her about her trip to Rome//*


*//"It was wonder ful," explained the woman, "not only were we on time 
in one of BA's brand new planes, but it was overbooked, and they bumped 
us up to first class. The food and wine were wonderful, and I had a 
handsome 28-year-old steward who waited on me hand and foot.//*


*//And the hotel was great! They'd just finished a ?5 million 
remodelling job, and now it's a jewel, the finest hotel in the city. 
They too, were overbooked, so they apologized and gave us their owner's 
suite at no extra charge!"//*


*//"Well," muttered the hairdresser, "that's all well and good, but I 
bet you didn't get to see the Pope."//*


*//"Actually, we were quite lucky, because as we toured the Vatican, a 
Swiss Guard tapped me on the shoulder, and explained that the Pope likes 
to meet some of the visitors, and if I'd be so kind as to step into his 
private room and wait, the Pope would personally greet me.//*


*//Sure enough, five minutes later, the Pope walked through the door and 
shook my hand! I knelt down and he spoke a few words to me"//*


*//"Oh, really! What'd he say ?"//*


*//He said: "Who the F___ did your hair?"//*
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Jul  3 04:00:12 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:00:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.
Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?
Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a little flat was calling?

Sad thoughts!

Mike

PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.

luv, Rog.
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jul  3 04:36:31 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 10:36:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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On 03/07/2020 10:00, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
> It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton 
> etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, 
> souvenir booklets, programme videos...

The point to recognise is that, while many individual items may be of 
little historical worth, these artefacts add up to a record of a craft 
that has had a significant effect on our culture for ~70 years. It is a 
craft that is dying out because productions simply aren't made in the 
same fashion now, and won't be again in the future. Television will 
still exist but not the version that was forged from the 50s till the 80 
or 90s. Once automation, reduced crewing, self-shooting etc took over 
the old craft faded, and though there are remnants still functioning 
(and merging with established film techniques) they are at best obsolescent.

There are close parallels with some of the skills that arose during the 
early part of the industrial revolution, and disappeared by the end of 
it because the crafts were superseded by different techniques. As an 
instance, early traction engines were built on an individual basis by 
groups of craftsmen: later on factory building and standardisation of 
common parts changed all this, in much the same way that robot welding 
has taken over from craftspeople in car-making and other industries.

There's no point in weeping over such changes, but there ~is~ a powerful 
argument for documenting a craft before it becomes forgotten, and 
describing many of its details that would be hard to rediscover once 
everyone concerned is pushing Vintern peds and waving Fisher booms in 
the hereafter.

Chris Woolf


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From brian at mcr21.org.uk  Fri Jul  3 06:02:46 2020
From: brian at mcr21.org.uk (Brian Summers)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 12:02:46 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Mike is not the only one with a VAST amount of stuff. I am a hoarder first class!  There is the camera and studio equipment collection, best  measures in Tonnes, a ?scope collection, Marconi Instruments collection, Test meter collection, several amateur radio RX/TX. Then there is the technical Library, some 4000 odd books/manuals/documents/tec instructions??.. and of course the OB van MCR21 which now belongs to the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.

 

The Trust is currently working on MCR21 and we hope to have it out on public display next year probably at the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum, but there is much to do.  We have the support of the HLF in funding some 90% of the MCR21 project and we are working to raise the remaining 10% and then there is the long term funding to find.

 

The Trust has great plans for the future, time & money permitting, we would love to set up a ?Proper Museum? to display as save for the future the technology that we have used to make television and radio programmes that the world appreciates.

 

We do hope that with the support and help of others that we will be able to save, show, inspire, future generations of engineers and producers the history of Television and Radio. 

 

Enough for now,

Regards 

 

Brian Summers 
Broadcast Television Technology Trust
Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333

Camberley, England. 
  
Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk>  
Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk <http://www.mcr21.org.uk/>  | www.bttt.org.uk <http://www.bttt.org.uk/>  
Support us         <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/donate/> Make a Donation |  <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/volunteer/> Become a Volunteer
Phone (+44) 01276677879 



 

      

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 10:00
To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.

Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?

Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a little flat was calling?

 

Sad thoughts!

 

Mike

 

PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?

 

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM

To 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.

 

luv, Rog.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jul  3 06:09:18 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 12:09:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
In-Reply-To: <35696fc4-03ce-9615-fa82-3683257281b3@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <35696fc4-03ce-9615-fa82-3683257281b3@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Chris is right on the money with his comment.

There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.

Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.

We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.

A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.

This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.

The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.

For my part I?ve previously explained on here how traumatic my first Sypher dub was in Sypher 1.  I had been shown how it worked, had done a practice session, followed the cockpit drill and knew that type of sound desk well, but on the day I really struggled, especially on the first day.  Fortunately the director, Jon Amiel, was very supportive and insisted that we can get the dub done.  After it was over, I had a long discussion with Ian Leiper who patiently explained how you manage a dubbing session, how to keep track of your progress and how to deliver consistent results.  That sort of thing is rarely explained in training manuals, but is probably more important than knowing what the knobs do. 

The bottom line is that those who do a job well usually take into account any number of factors which are not at all obvious.  To an experienced operator, what they do is so natural and intuitive that it scarcely needs mentioning.  Preserving those memories and techniques is something which can only be done while those people are still around.  Once the people have passed on, that wealth of information vanishes unless it has been recorded in some way.

Alan Taylor


>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 10:36, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> ?
> 
> 
> On 03/07/2020 10:00, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>> It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos...
> The point to recognise is that, while many individual items may be of little historical worth, these artefacts add up to a record of a craft that has had a significant effect on our culture for ~70 years. It is a craft that is dying out because productions simply aren't made in the same fashion now, and won't be again in the future. Television will still exist but not the version that was forged from the 50s till the 80 or 90s. Once automation, reduced crewing, self-shooting etc took over the old craft faded, and though there are remnants still functioning (and merging with established film techniques) they are at best obsolescent.
> 
> There are close parallels with some of the skills that arose during the early part of the industrial revolution, and disappeared by the end of it because the crafts were superseded by different techniques. As an instance, early traction engines were built on an individual basis by groups of craftsmen: later on factory building and standardisation of common parts changed all this, in much the same way that robot welding has taken over from craftspeople in car-making and other industries.
> 
> There's no point in weeping over such changes, but there ~is~ a powerful argument for documenting a craft before it becomes forgotten, and describing many of its details that would be hard to rediscover once everyone concerned is pushing Vintern peds and waving Fisher booms in the hereafter.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Fri Jul  3 06:58:05 2020
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 12:58:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
In-Reply-To: <0BE9F02C-1664-4D48-8AB2-36286EB4BB13@me.com>
References: <35696fc4-03ce-9615-fa82-3683257281b3@chriswoolf.co.uk>
	<0BE9F02C-1664-4D48-8AB2-36286EB4BB13@me.com>
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You all have pointed out the problem of documenting the techniques involved
in television that we all developed and improved as technology was moved
forward. I wanted to do something about this awhile ago and started passing
some of my old photos around my own TV colleagues, mainly the ones of us
who meet up regularly from my days at London Weekend TV. I noticed how
distant their memories had become about, in our case TV Sound and wanted to
put down some of the stories and the photographs etc.
So recently I have started a website related mainly to TV sound and
obviously have started with my earliest recollections, which are at Anglia
TV from 1966 to 1969. However I don't really want a website only devoted to
my stories, although I think I'll be able to produce quite a few in the
future, so I've posted a couple of early BBC things to indicate that it's
not just about me!
Alan Taylor's recent research into the Baird days I have found fascinating
and Alan and I have already had some correspondence...so I was hoping that
he'd do something in the future...(thanks in advance Alan!).
I am very pleased to find that many of our old TV programmes are available
to view, not just on YouTube, but also on DVD. I know that showing these
with my 'posts', which I'd like to do in the future, raises copyright
issues, but hope that short clips illustrating techniques we used, will be
OK as they promote the DVD purchases surely.I never expected to see my old
programmes ever again after 'TX' of course.
Someone here mentioned approaching The British Library, but I've got a
problem with the fact that their fascinating sound recordings of TV and
recording studio professionals aren't available unless you are a
'professional researcher within an academic institution'.
I want our history to be freely available to anyone interested. The same
problem applies to the numerous forums and Facebook groups that are
effectively 'closed'. This forum Tech-Ops is to be truly commended for
releasing so much history via the webpage. Everytime I visit I learn more!
I also believe in researching as carefully as possible before posting as so
much on the Internet is rehashed repeatedly and often errors become 'facts'
alas.
Martin Kempton's TV Studio website is wonderful and Brian Summers and Nick
Gilbey are both doing a superb job in preserving, literally, this history
so let's do more to document 'TV History' now.

David Taylor
my new website....www.postfade.co.uk. More coming soon!



On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 12:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Chris is right on the money with his comment.
>
> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way
> it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
>
> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He
> was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to
> talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
>
> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to
> see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the
> museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he
> knew the what even the most minor controls did.
>
> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew
> what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for
> because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained
> that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing
> efficiency trials in the 1950s.
>
> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made
> perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then
> invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite
> obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all
> sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the
> controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He
> talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold
> weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients,
> how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long
> left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends
> don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he
> explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
>
> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how
> the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just
> shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t
> already know such trivial matters.
>
> For my part I?ve previously explained on here how traumatic my first
> Sypher dub was in Sypher 1.  I had been shown how it worked, had done a
> practice session, followed the cockpit drill and knew that type of sound
> desk well, but on the day I really struggled, especially on the first day.
> Fortunately the director, Jon Amiel, was very supportive and insisted that
> we can get the dub done.  After it was over, I had a long discussion with
> Ian Leiper who patiently explained how you manage a dubbing session, how to
> keep track of your progress and how to deliver consistent results.  That
> sort of thing is rarely explained in training manuals, but is probably more
> important than knowing what the knobs do.
>
> The bottom line is that those who do a job well usually take into account
> any number of factors which are not at all obvious.  To an experienced
> operator, what they do is so natural and intuitive that it scarcely needs
> mentioning.  Preserving those memories and techniques is something which
> can only be done while those people are still around.  Once the people have
> passed on, that wealth of information vanishes unless it has been recorded
> in some way.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
> On 3 Jul 2020, at 10:36, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
>
>
> On 03/07/2020 10:00, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>
> It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc
> training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir
> booklets, programme videos...
>
> The point to recognise is that, while many individual items may be of
> little historical worth, these artefacts add up to a record of a craft that
> has had a significant effect on our culture for ~70 years. It is a craft
> that is dying out because productions simply aren't made in the same
> fashion now, and won't be again in the future. Television will still exist
> but not the version that was forged from the 50s till the 80 or 90s. Once
> automation, reduced crewing, self-shooting etc took over the old craft
> faded, and though there are remnants still functioning (and merging with
> established film techniques) they are at best obsolescent.
>
> There are close parallels with some of the skills that arose during the
> early part of the industrial revolution, and disappeared by the end of it
> because the crafts were superseded by different techniques. As an instance,
> early traction engines were built on an individual basis by groups of
> craftsmen: later on factory building and standardisation of common parts
> changed all this, in much the same way that robot welding has taken over
> from craftspeople in car-making and other industries.
>
> There's no point in weeping over such changes, but there ~is~ a powerful
> argument for documenting a craft before it becomes forgotten, and
> describing many of its details that would be hard to rediscover once
> everyone concerned is pushing Vintern peds and waving Fisher booms in the
> hereafter.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> --
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
> --
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From brian at mcr21.org.uk  Fri Jul  3 08:13:31 2020
From: brian at mcr21.org.uk (Brian Summers)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:13:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
In-Reply-To: <414c76ce-6fb3-6f02-b5c6-d561fa491ca8@btinternet.com>
References: <4570ea07-81b4-1462-0a21-7f56528fa2b7@gmail.com>
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Hello Hugh

 

Its difficult to know exactly ?which? scanner did a particular programme but it would, for a high profile programme like the Horse of the Year,   likely be one of the newer ones in the MCR13 to MCR16 series.  Fitted with three Marconi MkIII cameras <http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/marconi/mk3/bd687p1.html>  and introduced in 1954/5  4 scanners with consecutive registration numbers PGN813-6 

 

The earlier scanners MCR4 to 10 were semi-trailers  and by 1958 would have been shipped off to the regions. 

 

Picture of MCR13 outside the palace of arts attached.

 

Regards

 

Brian S

 

 

 

From: Hugh Sheppard [mailto:hughsheppard at btinternet.com] 
Sent: 03 July 2020 12:57
To: Brian Summers
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

Brian,

So good to hear of all this, but perhaps in due course you might tell me of the likely type of 'scanner' that I first visited in 1958 at the While City Horse of the Year Show, Peter Dimmock as producer.  I ask because it may help a contribution to memories of Peter. I stood behind the producer and EM lengthways on in the van for a 3-camera broadcast as I remember it.  Maybe sound was between the mixing desk etc, and the monitors, but I can't be sure.

All possible info gratefully received.

Hugh 

(Odiham). 

On 03-Jul-20 12:02 PM, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote:

Mike is not the only one with a VAST amount of stuff. I am a hoarder first class!  There is the camera and studio equipment collection, best  measures in Tonnes, a ?scope collection, Marconi Instruments collection, Test meter collection, several amateur radio RX/TX. Then there is the technical Library, some 4000 odd books/manuals/documents/tec instructions??.. and of course the OB van MCR21 which now belongs to the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.

 

The Trust is currently working on MCR21 and we hope to have it out on public display next year probably at the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum, but there is much to do.  We have the support of the HLF in funding some 90% of the MCR21 project and we are working to raise the remaining 10% and then there is the long term funding to find.

 

The Trust has great plans for the future, time & money permitting, we would love to set up a ?Proper Museum? to display as save for the future the technology that we have used to make television and radio programmes that the world appreciates.

 

We do hope that with the support and help of others that we will be able to save, show, inspire, future generations of engineers and producers the history of Television and Radio. 

 

Enough for now,

Regards 

 

Brian Summers 
Broadcast Television Technology Trust
Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333

Camberley, England. 
  
Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk>  
Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk <http://www.mcr21.org.uk/>  | www.bttt.org.uk <http://www.bttt.org.uk/>  
Support us         <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/donate/> Make a Donation |  <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/volunteer/> Become a Volunteer
Phone (+44) 01276677879 



 

      

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 10:00
To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.

Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?

Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a little flat was calling?

 

Sad thoughts!

 

Mike

 

PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?

 

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM

To 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.

 

luv, Rog.





 

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Jul  3 10:50:25 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 16:50:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Antiques programmes
Message-ID: <5eff53c2.1c69fb81.cf38e.5a41@mx.google.com>

Another thread to chew on, not technical, more about programme structure:
Antiques programmes.
I confess to enjoying Flog It and Antiques Road Trip. These over Antiques Roadshow, because, in the case of the first two,
the items brought/bought and valued are actually put to auction, so a result and a satisfying end for the viewer.
Unlike that of Roadshow, where ?experts? seemingly pick a figure out of the air, sometimes in thousands, whereupon the owner gasps, faints, or looks disappointed! These items are never actually sent to auction, or not that we know, so no climax!
I also wonder in the case of the actual auctions, whether enough though has been given to the locale of the sale venue ? 
items might well fetch a better price elsewhere, dependent on the money available from that area.(Yes, there?re always scouts looking to pick up a bargain to sell on elsewhere at an increased profit).
A case in point: I inherited a Welsh dresser. No room for it and although I had known it all my life, I didn?t particularly like it, so to sale it went. Bonhams and Christies had given an approximate value from photographs, so it was put into my local auction rooms at Dorking, with a reserve of ?1500. It failed to sell, so I bit the bullet and paid ?50 to have it transported to Bonhams in London. It made the reserve, OK I lost a bit due to commission and VAT, but it was better than local!

Best
Pat

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From neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk  Fri Jul  3 11:50:44 2020
From: neil at dormand.eclipse.co.uk (Neil Dormand)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 17:50:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Online event 14th July
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGZqa+eRW5BPiUZNX5BsXSrCgAAAEAAAAPh49eRjAxFFrVNdI5j/HJ0BAAAAAA==@dormand.eclipse.co.uk>

 

I thought some of you would be interested in the following.

 

 

 

Michael McCarthy in conversation with Richard Sillitto.
The RTS Lifetime Achievement Award was recently presented to Michael
McCarthy, veteran Sound Designer whose career has spanned six decades, and a
range of changing technologies.

Michael shares anecdotes and behind the scenes stories in a conversation
that covers the changing world of TV  since he first started at TV Centre in
1961.

Michael's credits include Doctor Who, Morecambe and Wise, Miss World, The
Two Ronnies, Top of the Pops, Lennie Henry, Who Dares Wins, The National
Lottery and many, many more.
Michael has delivered pristine sound on many iconic moments of TV, from
'Four Candles' and 'All the Right Notes But...' through to the strange
microphone on Blankety Blank.

Richard Sillitto's sound credits include Dancing on Ice, Strictly Come
Dancing, RuPaul's Drag Race and Would I Lie to You.

Producer: Terry Marsh

 

To book go to https://rts.org.uk/event/its-all-about-sound

 

 

 

Best Regards

 

Neil 

 

 

 

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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Fri Jul  3 12:31:47 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 18:31:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Hello Brian

 

Interesting to see in the top picture of the interior of the MCR with the quadrant faders all in the down position. I can?t really make out the graticule markings and wondered whether on this near vertical sound desk you would have faded up the channel from the position shown? If this was the case then when did BBC TV adopt the fading up of a channel from the top position? Did radio follow the same path?

 

Thanks

 

Rob

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Summers via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 14:14
To: 'Hugh Sheppard' <hughsheppard at btinternet.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

Hello Hugh

 

Its difficult to know exactly ?which? scanner did a particular programme but it would, for a high profile programme like the Horse of the Year,   likely be one of the newer ones in the MCR13 to MCR16 series.  Fitted with three Marconi MkIII cameras <http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/marconi/mk3/bd687p1.html>  and introduced in 1954/5  4 scanners with consecutive registration numbers PGN813-6 

 

The earlier scanners MCR4 to 10 were semi-trailers  and by 1958 would have been shipped off to the regions. 

 

Picture of MCR13 outside the palace of arts attached.

 

Regards

 

Brian S

 

 

 

From: Hugh Sheppard [mailto:hughsheppard at btinternet.com] 
Sent: 03 July 2020 12:57
To: Brian Summers
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

Brian,

So good to hear of all this, but perhaps in due course you might tell me of the likely type of 'scanner' that I first visited in 1958 at the While City Horse of the Year Show, Peter Dimmock as producer.  I ask because it may help a contribution to memories of Peter. I stood behind the producer and EM lengthways on in the van for a 3-camera broadcast as I remember it.  Maybe sound was between the mixing desk etc, and the monitors, but I can't be sure.

All possible info gratefully received.

Hugh 

(Odiham). 

On 03-Jul-20 12:02 PM, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote:

Mike is not the only one with a VAST amount of stuff. I am a hoarder first class!  There is the camera and studio equipment collection, best  measures in Tonnes, a ?scope collection, Marconi Instruments collection, Test meter collection, several amateur radio RX/TX. Then there is the technical Library, some 4000 odd books/manuals/documents/tec instructions??.. and of course the OB van MCR21 which now belongs to the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.

 

The Trust is currently working on MCR21 and we hope to have it out on public display next year probably at the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum, but there is much to do.  We have the support of the HLF in funding some 90% of the MCR21 project and we are working to raise the remaining 10% and then there is the long term funding to find.

 

The Trust has great plans for the future, time & money permitting, we would love to set up a ?Proper Museum? to display as save for the future the technology that we have used to make television and radio programmes that the world appreciates.

 

We do hope that with the support and help of others that we will be able to save, show, inspire, future generations of engineers and producers the history of Television and Radio. 

 

Enough for now,

Regards 

 

Brian Summers 
Broadcast Television Technology Trust
Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333

Camberley, England. 
  
Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk>  
Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk <http://www.mcr21.org.uk/>  | www.bttt.org.uk <http://www.bttt.org.uk/>  
Support us         <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/donate/> Make a Donation |  <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/volunteer/> Become a Volunteer
Phone (+44) 01276677879 



 

      

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 10:00
To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.

Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?

Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a little flat was calling?

 

Sad thoughts!

 

Mike

 

PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?

 

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>  

Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM

To 

Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

 

A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.

 

luv, Rog.

 

 

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jul  3 12:49:53 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 18:49:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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I?m pretty sure that all the faders in that picture are fully faded up to 100% gain.

If you think about operating them when they?re about 75% gain during a programme, having the fader near the bottom while you?re using it is fairly comfortable because your wrist can rest on the desk.  The opposite way round would be rather uncomfortable.

I apply the same logic to quadrant faders when mounted horizontally.  Reaching over the fader for normal operation would be uncomfortable.  That is the logic I use to explain why certain organisations fade the BBC way while most don't.  Longer established studios evolved via quadrant faders.

Alan Taylor


>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 18:32, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> ?
> Hello Brian
>  
> Interesting to see in the top picture of the interior of the MCR with the quadrant faders all in the down position. I can?t really make out the graticule markings and wondered whether on this near vertical sound desk you would have faded up the channel from the position shown? If this was the case then when did BBC TV adopt the fading up of a channel from the top position? Did radio follow the same path?
>  
> Thanks
>  
> Rob
>  
> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Summers via Tech1
> Sent: 03 July 2020 14:14
> To: 'Hugh Sheppard' <hughsheppard at btinternet.com>
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> Hello Hugh
>  
> Its difficult to know exactly ?which? scanner did a particular programme but it would, for a high profile programme like the Horse of the Year,   likely be one of the newer ones in the MCR13 to MCR16 series.  Fitted with three Marconi MkIII cameras and introduced in 1954/5  4 scanners with consecutive registration numbers PGN813-6
>  
> The earlier scanners MCR4 to 10 were semi-trailers  and by 1958 would have been shipped off to the regions.
>  
> Picture of MCR13 outside the palace of arts attached.
>  
> Regards
>  
> Brian S
>  
>  
>  
> From: Hugh Sheppard [mailto:hughsheppard at btinternet.com] 
> Sent: 03 July 2020 12:57
> To: Brian Summers
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> Brian,
> 
> So good to hear of all this, but perhaps in due course you might tell me of the likely type of 'scanner' that I first visited in 1958 at the While City Horse of the Year Show, Peter Dimmock as producer.  I ask because it may help a contribution to memories of Peter. I stood behind the producer and EM lengthways on in the van for a 3-camera broadcast as I remember it.  Maybe sound was between the mixing desk etc, and the monitors, but I can't be sure.
> 
> All possible info gratefully received.
> 
> Hugh 
> 
> (Odiham).
> 
> On 03-Jul-20 12:02 PM, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote:
> Mike is not the only one with a VAST amount of stuff. I am a hoarder first class!  There is the camera and studio equipment collection, best  measures in Tonnes, a ?scope collection, Marconi Instruments collection, Test meter collection, several amateur radio RX/TX. Then there is the technical Library, some 4000 odd books/manuals/documents/tec instructions??.. and of course the OB van MCR21 which now belongs to the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.
>  
> The Trust is currently working on MCR21 and we hope to have it out on public display next year probably at the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum, but there is much to do.  We have the support of the HLF in funding some 90% of the MCR21 project and we are working to raise the remaining 10% and then there is the long term funding to find.
>  
> The Trust has great plans for the future, time & money permitting, we would love to set up a ?Proper Museum? to display as save for the future the technology that we have used to make television and radio programmes that the world appreciates.
>  
> We do hope that with the support and help of others that we will be able to save, show, inspire, future generations of engineers and producers the history of Television and Radio.
>  
> Enough for now,
> Regards
>  
> Brian Summers 
> Broadcast Television Technology Trust
> Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333
> Camberley, England. 
>   
> Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk 
> Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk | www.bttt.org.uk 
> Support us        Make a Donation | Become a Volunteer
> Phone (+44) 01276677879
> <image001.jpg>
>  
>       
>  
> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1
> Sent: 03 July 2020 10:00
> To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
>> It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.
>> Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?
>> Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a little flat was calling?
>>  
>> Sad thoughts!
>>  
>> Mike
>>  
>> PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?
>>  
>> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM
>> To
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>  
>> A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.
>>  
>> luv, Rog.
>>  
>> 
>>  
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jul  3 13:09:45 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:09:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Antiques programmes
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The location where they buy affects the price,  so does prosperity of the location where they sell.  Another factor is how many people attend the auction and whether there are many online bidders.

If somebody on Antiques Road Trip buys in a non- touristy part of east Anglia, but gets to sell in Chiswick, if they are cunning, they can buy things fairly cheaply which appeal to the affluent people expected to be at the auction. Conversely I?ve seen the experts touring posh parts of Cheshire, but selling in Liverpool and wondering why they made such a big loss.

It?s not often that I feel sorry for people who own second hand shops, but I do feel for them when they have listed something for ?100 and the buyer negotiates a price of ?50, but then it goes on to sell at auction for ?300.

I also feel a little bit sympathetic towards some vendors on shows like Escape to the Country.  We sometimes see that a house might be listed for ?850,000, but the presenter tells the prospective purchaser that the owner might let it go for ?800,000, just putting it at the upper end of their budget.  I would be a bit peeved if my estate agent suggested something like that to a prospective purchaser at such an early stage, but there again I have never had a satisfactory encounter with an estate agent, so nothing surprises me there.

Alan Taylor

> On 3 Jul 2020, at 16:50, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Another thread to chew on, not technical, more about programme structure:
> Antiques programmes.
> I confess to enjoying Flog It and Antiques Road Trip. These over Antiques Roadshow, because, in the case of the first two,
> the items brought/bought and valued are actually put to auction, so a result and a satisfying end for the viewer.
> Unlike that of Roadshow, where ?experts? seemingly pick a figure out of the air, sometimes in thousands, whereupon the owner gasps, faints, or looks disappointed! These items are never actually sent to auction, or not that we know, so no climax!
> I also wonder in the case of the actual auctions, whether enough though has been given to the locale of the sale venue ?
> items might well fetch a better price elsewhere, dependent on the money available from that area.(Yes, there?re always scouts looking to pick up a bargain to sell on elsewhere at an increased profit).
> A case in point: I inherited a Welsh dresser. No room for it and although I had known it all my life, I didn?t particularly like it, so to sale it went. Bonhams and Christies had given an approximate value from photographs, so it was put into my local auction rooms at Dorking, with a reserve of ?1500. It failed to sell, so I bit the bullet and paid ?50 to have it transported to Bonhams in London. It made the reserve, OK I lost a bit due to commission and VAT, but it was better than local!
>  
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> 
> 
>  	
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul  3 13:30:04 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 18:30:04 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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I wondered about that too, and even wondered if there were quadrant faders that long ago. How simple things were then! But looking at it on iPad I can stretch the picture enough to see that the semi-logarithmic (tapered law) markings get closer at the bottom end, presumably the ?infinity? symbol at the bottom, and wider apart at the top end where finer control is needed, reducing to single digit at the top. So, I think they were non Beeb practice, fading up, not down.
It struck me as odd from day one, when I first saw TC sound and vision mixers, that vision faders faded up, which was entirely logical, while sound faded ?down? for ?up?.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 3 Jul 2020, at 18:32, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Hello Brian

Interesting to see in the top picture of the interior of the MCR with the quadrant faders all in the down position. I can?t really make out the graticule markings and wondered whether on this near vertical sound desk you would have faded up the channel from the position shown? If this was the case then when did BBC TV adopt the fading up of a channel from the top position? Did radio follow the same path?

Thanks

Rob

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Summers via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 14:14
To: 'Hugh Sheppard' <hughsheppard at btinternet.com>
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

Hello Hugh

Its difficult to know exactly ?which? scanner did a particular programme but it would, for a high profile programme like the Horse of the Year,   likely be one of the newer ones in the MCR13 to MCR16 series.  Fitted with three Marconi MkIII cameras<http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/marconi/mk3/bd687p1.html> and introduced in 1954/5  4 scanners with consecutive registration numbers PGN813-6

The earlier scanners MCR4 to 10 were semi-trailers  and by 1958 would have been shipped off to the regions.

Picture of MCR13 outside the palace of arts attached.

Regards

Brian S



From: Hugh Sheppard [mailto:hughsheppard at btinternet.com]
Sent: 03 July 2020 12:57
To: Brian Summers
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

Brian,

So good to hear of all this, but perhaps in due course you might tell me of the likely type of 'scanner' that I first visited in 1958 at the While City Horse of the Year Show, Peter Dimmock as producer.  I ask because it may help a contribution to memories of Peter. I stood behind the producer and EM lengthways on in the van for a 3-camera broadcast as I remember it.  Maybe sound was between the mixing desk etc, and the monitors, but I can't be sure.

All possible info gratefully received.

Hugh

(Odiham).
On 03-Jul-20 12:02 PM, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote:
Mike is not the only one with a VAST amount of stuff. I am a hoarder first class!  There is the camera and studio equipment collection, best  measures in Tonnes, a ?scope collection, Marconi Instruments collection, Test meter collection, several amateur radio RX/TX. Then there is the technical Library, some 4000 odd books/manuals/documents/tec instructions??.. and of course the OB van MCR21 which now belongs to the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.

The Trust is currently working on MCR21 and we hope to have it out on public display next year probably at the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum, but there is much to do.  We have the support of the HLF in funding some 90% of the MCR21 project and we are working to raise the remaining 10% and then there is the long term funding to find.

The Trust has great plans for the future, time & money permitting, we would love to set up a ?Proper Museum? to display as save for the future the technology that we have used to make television and radio programmes that the world appreciates.

We do hope that with the support and help of others that we will be able to save, show, inspire, future generations of engineers and producers the history of Television and Radio.

Enough for now,
Regards

Brian Summers
Broadcast Television Technology Trust
Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333
Camberley, England.

Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk<mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk>
Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk<http://www.mcr21.org.uk/> | www.bttt.org.uk<http://www.bttt.org.uk/>
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From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 10:00
To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.
Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?
Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a little flat was calling?

Sad thoughts!

Mike

PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?

From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM
To
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.

luv, Rog.


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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jul  3 13:37:59 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 19:37:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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One oddity is if you look at the fat fader at the right of centre, below the  RHS of the PPM.  It looks like a ganged or double fader with one half being the opposite way up to the other.  I suspect it might be some sort of cross fading device, rather like we see these days on DJ desks.

Alan Taylor

> On 3 Jul 2020, at 19:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I wondered about that too, and even wondered if there were quadrant faders that long ago. How simple things were then! But looking at it on iPad I can stretch the picture enough to see that the semi-logarithmic (tapered law) markings get closer at the bottom end, presumably the ?infinity? symbol at the bottom, and wider apart at the top end where finer control is needed, reducing to single digit at the top. So, I think they were non Beeb practice, fading up, not down.
> It struck me as odd from day one, when I first saw TC sound and vision mixers, that vision faders faded up, which was entirely logical, while sound faded ?down? for ?up?.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 18:32, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Hello Brian
>>  
>> Interesting to see in the top picture of the interior of the MCR with the quadrant faders all in the down position. I can?t really make out the graticule markings and wondered whether on this near vertical sound desk you would have faded up the channel from the position shown? If this was the case then when did BBC TV adopt the fading up of a channel from the top position? Did radio follow the same path?
>>  
>> Thanks
>>  
>> Rob
>>  
>> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Brian Summers via Tech1
>> Sent: 03 July 2020 14:14
>> To: 'Hugh Sheppard' <hughsheppard at btinternet.com>
>> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>  
>> Hello Hugh
>>  
>> Its difficult to know exactly ?which? scanner did a particular programme but it would, for a high profile programme like the Horse of the Year,   likely be one of the newer ones in the MCR13 to MCR16 series.  Fitted with three Marconi MkIII cameras and introduced in 1954/5  4 scanners with consecutive registration numbers PGN813-6
>>  
>> The earlier scanners MCR4 to 10 were semi-trailers  and by 1958 would have been shipped off to the regions.
>>  
>> Picture of MCR13 outside the palace of arts attached.
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Brian S
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: Hugh Sheppard [mailto:hughsheppard at btinternet.com] 
>> Sent: 03 July 2020 12:57
>> To: Brian Summers
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>  
>> Brian,
>> 
>> So good to hear of all this, but perhaps in due course you might tell me of the likely type of 'scanner' that I first visited in 1958 at the While City Horse of the Year Show, Peter Dimmock as producer.  I ask because it may help a contribution to memories of Peter. I stood behind the producer and EM lengthways on in the van for a 3-camera broadcast as I remember it.  Maybe sound was between the mixing desk etc, and the monitors, but I can't be sure.
>> 
>> All possible info gratefully received.
>> 
>> Hugh 
>> 
>> (Odiham).
>> 
>> On 03-Jul-20 12:02 PM, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote:
>> Mike is not the only one with a VAST amount of stuff. I am a hoarder first class!  There is the camera and studio equipment collection, best  measures in Tonnes, a ?scope collection, Marconi Instruments collection, Test meter collection, several amateur radio RX/TX. Then there is the technical Library, some 4000 odd books/manuals/documents/tec instructions??.. and of course the OB van MCR21 which now belongs to the Broadcast Television Technology Trust.
>>  
>> The Trust is currently working on MCR21 and we hope to have it out on public display next year probably at the Amberley Chalk Pits Museum, but there is much to do.  We have the support of the HLF in funding some 90% of the MCR21 project and we are working to raise the remaining 10% and then there is the long term funding to find.
>>  
>> The Trust has great plans for the future, time & money permitting, we would love to set up a ?Proper Museum? to display as save for the future the technology that we have used to make television and radio programmes that the world appreciates.
>>  
>> We do hope that with the support and help of others that we will be able to save, show, inspire, future generations of engineers and producers the history of Television and Radio.
>>  
>> Enough for now,
>> Regards
>>  
>> Brian Summers 
>> Broadcast Television Technology Trust
>> Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333
>> Camberley, England. 
>>   
>> Contact Email brian at mcr21.org.uk 
>> Find out more www.mcr21.org.uk | www.bttt.org.uk 
>> Support us        Make a Donation | Become a Volunteer
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>> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Mike Jordan via Tech1
>> Sent: 03 July 2020 10:00
>> To: ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>  
>> It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.
>> Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?
>> Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a little flat was calling?
>>  
>> Sad thoughts!
>>  
>> Mike
>>  
>> PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?
>>  
>> From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM
>> To
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>  
>> A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners' Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory Bank" project.
>>  
>> luv, Rog.
>>  
>> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul  3 13:40:38 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 18:40:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Antiques programmes
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I prefer Antiques Roadshow because you learn a lot more about the article, and it?s history, and how the owner came to own it. I really don?t care what it might sell for!
And I find some of the locations and the feeling of it being an ?event? adds a lot to the show.
Some years ago I did occasionally do PSC support on the show, and now that I am an antique in my own right, I think I should be on it again!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 3 Jul 2020, at 19:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
The location where they buy affects the price,  so does prosperity of the location where they sell.  Another factor is how many people attend the auction and whether there are many online bidders.

If somebody on Antiques Road Trip buys in a non- touristy part of east Anglia, but gets to sell in Chiswick, if they are cunning, they can buy things fairly cheaply which appeal to the affluent people expected to be at the auction. Conversely I?ve seen the experts touring posh parts of Cheshire, but selling in Liverpool and wondering why they made such a big loss.

It?s not often that I feel sorry for people who own second hand shops, but I do feel for them when they have listed something for ?100 and the buyer negotiates a price of ?50, but then it goes on to sell at auction for ?300.

I also feel a little bit sympathetic towards some vendors on shows like Escape to the Country.  We sometimes see that a house might be listed for ?850,000, but the presenter tells the prospective purchaser that the owner might let it go for ?800,000, just putting it at the upper end of their budget.  I would be a bit peeved if my estate agent suggested something like that to a prospective purchaser at such an early stage, but there again I have never had a satisfactory encounter with an estate agent, so nothing surprises me there.

Alan Taylor

On 3 Jul 2020, at 16:50, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Another thread to chew on, not technical, more about programme structure:
Antiques programmes.
I confess to enjoying Flog It and Antiques Road Trip. These over Antiques Roadshow, because, in the case of the first two,
the items brought/bought and valued are actually put to auction, so a result and a satisfying end for the viewer.
Unlike that of Roadshow, where ?experts? seemingly pick a figure out of the air, sometimes in thousands, whereupon the owner gasps, faints, or looks disappointed! These items are never actually sent to auction, or not that we know, so no climax!
I also wonder in the case of the actual auctions, whether enough though has been given to the locale of the sale venue ?
items might well fetch a better price elsewhere, dependent on the money available from that area.(Yes, there?re always scouts looking to pick up a bargain to sell on elsewhere at an increased profit).
A case in point: I inherited a Welsh dresser. No room for it and although I had known it all my life, I didn?t particularly like it, so to sale it went. Bonhams and Christies had given an approximate value from photographs, so it was put into my local auction rooms at Dorking, with a reserve of ?1500. It failed to sell, so I bit the bullet and paid ?50 to have it transported to Bonhams in London. It made the reserve, OK I lost a bit due to commission and VAT, but it was better than local!

Best
Pat

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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 14:37:45 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:37:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Great story about ?your? grandfather Alan and thanks for sharing it. The conversation he had with the Museum staff should?ve been recorded for the sound archive and an edited version put with the exhibit at the museum for visitors to listen to, as it would make the history come alive.
Steam trains, steam rollers as used by road menders and traction engines doing odd bits of heavy work were a common sight in my early childhood and I can still remember the smell of them. I wonder what of our things will evoke such fond memories to the children of today in fifty or sixty years when they are gone,

Geoff

> On 3 Jul 2020, at 12:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Chris is right on the money with his comment.
> 
> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
> 
> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
> 
> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
> 
> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
> 
> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
> 
> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
> 
> For my part I?ve previously explained on here how traumatic my first Sypher dub was in Sypher 1.  I had been shown how it worked, had done a practice session, followed the cockpit drill and knew that type of sound desk well, but on the day I really struggled, especially on the first day.  Fortunately the director, Jon Amiel, was very supportive and insisted that we can get the dub done.  After it was over, I had a long discussion with Ian Leiper who patiently explained how you manage a dubbing session, how to keep track of your progress and how to deliver consistent results.  That sort of thing is rarely explained in training manuals, but is probably more important than knowing what the knobs do. 
> 
> The bottom line is that those who do a job well usually take into account any number of factors which are not at all obvious.  To an experienced operator, what they do is so natural and intuitive that it scarcely needs mentioning.  Preserving those memories and techniques is something which can only be done while those people are still around.  Once the people have passed on, that wealth of information vanishes unless it has been recorded in some way.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 10:36, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/07/2020 10:00, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>> It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos...
>> The point to recognise is that, while many individual items may be of little historical worth, these artefacts add up to a record of a craft that has had a significant effect on our culture for ~70 years. It is a craft that is dying out because productions simply aren't made in the same fashion now, and won't be again in the future. Television will still exist but not the version that was forged from the 50s till the 80 or 90s. Once automation, reduced crewing, self-shooting etc took over the old craft faded, and though there are remnants still functioning (and merging with established film techniques) they are at best obsolescent.
>> 
>> There are close parallels with some of the skills that arose during the early part of the industrial revolution, and disappeared by the end of it because the crafts were superseded by different techniques. As an instance, early traction engines were built on an individual basis by groups of craftsmen: later on factory building and standardisation of common parts changed all this, in much the same way that robot welding has taken over from craftspeople in car-making and other industries.
>> 
>> There's no point in weeping over such changes, but there ~is~ a powerful argument for documenting a craft before it becomes forgotten, and describing many of its details that would be hard to rediscover once everyone concerned is pushing Vintern peds and waving Fisher booms in the hereafter.
>> 
>> Chris Woolf
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  3 14:50:01 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:50:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Hence Norman Greaves's elastic band for a quick fade out! Cheers, Dave

On 03/07/2020 19:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I wondered about that too, and even wondered if there were quadrant 
> faders that long ago. How simple things were then! But looking at it 
> on iPad I can stretch the picture enough to see that the 
> semi-logarithmic (tapered law) markings get closer at the bottom end, 
> presumably the ?infinity? symbol at the bottom, and wider apart at the 
> top end where finer control is needed, reducing to single digit at the 
> top. So, I think they were non Beeb practice, fading up, not down.
> It struck me as odd from day one, when I first saw TC sound and vision 
> mixers, that vision faders faded up, which was entirely logical, while 
> sound faded ?down? for ?up?.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 18:32, Robert Miles via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Hello Brian
>>
>> Interesting to see in the top picture of the interior of the MCR with 
>> the quadrant faders all in the down position. I can?t really make out 
>> the graticule markings and wondered whether on this near vertical 
>> sound desk you would have faded up the channel from the position 
>> shown? If this was the case then when did BBC TV adopt the fading up 
>> of a channel from the top position? Did radio follow the same path?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Rob
>>
>> *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Brian Summers via Tech1
>> *Sent:* 03 July 2020 14:14
>> *To:* 'Hugh Sheppard' <hughsheppard at btinternet.com>
>> *Cc:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>
>> Hello Hugh
>>
>> Its difficult to know exactly ?which? scanner did a particular 
>> programme but it would, for a high profile programme like the Horse 
>> of the Year, ??likely be one of the newer ones in the MCR13 to MCR16 
>> series. Fitted with three Marconi MkIII cameras 
>> <http://www.tvcameramuseum.org/marconi/mk3/bd687p1.html> and 
>> introduced in 1954/5 ?4 scanners with consecutive registration 
>> numbers PGN813-6
>>
>> The earlier scanners MCR4 to 10 were semi-trailers ?and by 1958 would 
>> have been shipped off to the regions.
>>
>> Picture of MCR13 outside the palace of arts attached.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian S
>>
>> *From:*Hugh Sheppard [mailto:hughsheppard at btinternet.com]
>> *Sent:* 03 July 2020 12:57
>> *To:* Brian Summers
>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>
>> Brian,
>>
>> So good to hear of all this, but perhaps in due course you might tell 
>> me of the likely type of 'scanner' that I first visited in 1958 at 
>> the While City Horse of the Year Show, Peter Dimmock as producer.? I 
>> ask because it may help a contribution to memories of Peter. I stood 
>> behind the producer and EM lengthways on in the van for a 3-camera 
>> broadcast as I remember it.? Maybe sound was between the mixing desk 
>> etc, and the monitors, but I can't be sure.
>>
>> All possible info gratefully received.
>>
>> Hugh
>>
>> (Odiham).
>>
>> On 03-Jul-20 12:02 PM, Brian Summers via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>     Mike is not the only one with a VAST amount of stuff. I am a
>>     hoarder first class!? There is the camera and studio equipment
>>     collection, best ?measures in Tonnes, a ?scope collection,
>>     Marconi Instruments collection, Test meter collection, several
>>     amateur radio RX/TX. Then there is the technical Library, some
>>     4000 odd books/manuals/documents/tec instructions??.. and of
>>     course the OB van MCR21 which now belongs to the Broadcast
>>     Television Technology Trust.
>>
>>     The Trust is currently working on MCR21 and we hope to have it
>>     out on public display next year probably at the Amberley Chalk
>>     Pits Museum, but there is much to do.? We have the support of the
>>     HLF in funding some 90% of the MCR21 project and we are working
>>     to raise the remaining 10% and then there is the long term
>>     funding to find.
>>
>>     The Trust has great plans for the future, time & money
>>     permitting, we would love to set up a ?Proper Museum? to display
>>     as save for the future the technology that we have used to make
>>     television and radio programmes that the world appreciates.
>>
>>     We do hope that with the support and help of others that we will
>>     be able to save, show, inspire, future generations of engineers
>>     and producers the history of Television and Radio.
>>
>>     Enough for now,
>>
>>     Regards
>>
>>     Brian Summers
>>     Broadcast Television Technology Trust
>>     Charitable Incorporated Organisation no. 1179333
>>
>>     Camberley, England.
>>
>>     *Contact**Email *brian at mcr21.org.uk <mailto:brian at mcr21.org.uk> *
>>     Find out more *www.mcr21.org.uk <http://www.mcr21.org.uk/> |
>>     www.bttt.org.uk <http://www.bttt.org.uk/>
>>     *Support us *Make a Donation
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>>     <http://mcr21.org.uk/get-involved/volunteer/>
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>>
>>     /hlf-logo640/
>>
>>     *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of
>>     *Mike Jordan via Tech1
>>     *Sent:* 03 July 2020 10:00
>>     *To:* ROGER BUNCE; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>
>>     It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood
>>     Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB
>>     planning sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos and BBC
>>     things books but the loft FULL of quite legal bits and pieces of
>>     test equipment saved from skip, special home-made adaptor
>>     boxes/leads which I doubt anyone would want and haven?t even
>>     started on my bits to plumb/lectrify/hify/satbits the house etc etc.
>>
>>     Is it just us BBC blokes who have a hoarder/collector disease?
>>
>>     Where would it all go (and by whom) if anything happened and a
>>     little flat was calling?
>>
>>     Sad thoughts!
>>
>>     Mike
>>
>>     PS ? what does one do with LOADS of old VHS/Betamax tapes dumped
>>     to PC and lying there of no interest to anyone but me (praps?)?
>>
>>     *From:*ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>
>>     *Sent:*Friday, July 03, 2020 9:38 AM
>>
>>     *To*
>>
>>     *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>
>>     A reminder, if you're a member, that the BBC Pensioners'
>>     Association are collecting staff memories through their "Memory
>>     Bank" project.
>>
>>     luv, Rog.
>>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul  3 14:59:46 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 20:59:46 +0100
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Quite right Geoff, I still remember two traction engines in the 'back 
field' hauling a plough across the land by cable, a large crane 
'Ruston-Bucyrus?' dropping a very large metal ball on top of the street 
air-raid shelter to demolish it and the common sight of a steam roller 
on it's way to the next job. Looking in my 1947 diary it mentioned 
sledging all day and that my sledge was the best on the hill! Of course, 
some more well off kids had shop bought ones with half-moon runners, my 
dad made mine with flat ones but it still worked very well, happy days, 
You went in for tea time and put 'Snowfire' ointment on your chilblains 
while listening to 'Children's Hour'. Cheers, Dave

On 03/07/2020 20:37, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote:
> Great story about ?your? grandfather Alan and thanks for sharing it. 
> The conversation he had with the Museum staff should?ve been recorded 
> for the sound archive and an edited version put with the exhibit at 
> the museum for visitors to listen to, as it would make the history 
> come alive.
> Steam trains, steam rollers as used by road menders and traction 
> engines doing odd bits of heavy work were a common sight in my early 
> childhood and I can still remember the smell of them. I wonder what of 
> our things will evoke such fond memories to the children of today in 
> fifty or sixty years when they are gone,
>
> Geoff
>
>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 12:10, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>> Chris is right on the money with his comment.
>>
>> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the 
>> way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
>>
>> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife. 
>> ?He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often 
>> used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
>>
>> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took 
>> him to see it. ?He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and 
>> one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate. ?It was 
>> obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
>>
>> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he 
>> knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window 
>> were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives. ?He 
>> immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer 
>> while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
>>
>> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made 
>> perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were 
>> then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it 
>> was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures. ?They 
>> asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they 
>> knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or 
>> how they were used. ?He talked at great length about how you operate 
>> the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the 
>> power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep 
>> things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause 
>> problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you 
>> do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained 
>> that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
>>
>> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of 
>> how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them. ?Grandad 
>> just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? 
>> didn?t already know such trivial matters.
>>
>> For my part I?ve previously explained on here how traumatic my first 
>> Sypher dub was in Sypher 1. ?I had been shown how it worked, had done 
>> a practice session, followed the cockpit drill and knew that type of 
>> sound desk well, but on the day I really struggled, especially on the 
>> first day. ?Fortunately the director, Jon Amiel, was very supportive 
>> and insisted that we can get the dub done. ?After it was over, I had 
>> a long discussion with Ian Leiper who patiently explained how you 
>> manage a dubbing session, how to keep track of your progress and how 
>> to deliver consistent results. ?That sort of thing is rarely 
>> explained in training manuals, but is probably more important than 
>> knowing what the knobs do.
>>
>> The bottom line is that those who do a job well usually take into 
>> account any number of factors which are not at all obvious. ?To an 
>> experienced operator, what they do is so natural and intuitive that 
>> it scarcely needs mentioning. ?Preserving those memories and 
>> techniques is something which can only be done while those people are 
>> still around. ?Once the people have passed on, that wealth of 
>> information vanishes unless it has been recorded in some way.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>> On 3 Jul 2020, at 10:36, Chris Woolf via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/07/2020 10:00, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote:
>>>> It isn?t just memories and tharsands of photos but all the Wood 
>>>> Norton etc training information (back to first course) OB planning 
>>>> sheets, souvenir booklets, programme videos...
>>>
>>> The point to recognise is that, while many individual items may be 
>>> of little historical worth, these artefacts add up to a record of a 
>>> craft that has had a significant effect on our culture for ~70 
>>> years. It is a craft that is dying out because productions simply 
>>> aren't made in the same fashion now, and won't be again in the 
>>> future. Television will still exist but not the version that was 
>>> forged from the 50s till the 80 or 90s. Once automation, reduced 
>>> crewing, self-shooting etc took over the old craft faded, and though 
>>> there are remnants still functioning (and merging with established 
>>> film techniques) they are at best obsolescent.
>>>
>>> There are close parallels with some of the skills that arose during 
>>> the early part of the industrial revolution, and disappeared by the 
>>> end of it because the crafts were superseded by different 
>>> techniques. As an instance, early traction engines were built on an 
>>> individual basis by groups of craftsmen: later on factory building 
>>> and standardisation of common parts changed all this, in much the 
>>> same way that robot welding has taken over from craftspeople in 
>>> car-making and other industries.
>>>
>>> There's no point in weeping over such changes, but there ~is~ a 
>>> powerful argument for documenting a craft before it becomes 
>>> forgotten, and describing many of its details that would be hard to 
>>> rediscover once everyone concerned is pushing Vintern peds and 
>>> waving Fisher booms in the hereafter.
>>>
>>> Chris Woolf
>>>
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Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 09:24:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Yes, Norman used to fasten a rubber band to the knob of the audience group fader, attach the other end to a fixed point on the desk, (the handle of the channel module), then after fading up for the laugh/reaction, would just let it go to gradually fade out, leaving his hands free to concentrate on the other mic faders!

The story fed to me, suspect it was rather ?tongue-in-cheek? was that if the Sound Supervisor should suffer a collapse during transmission, and slumped forward over the desk with his hands on the faders, the body movement would tend to push the faders closed, avoiding a massive overmod and taking the transmitter off the air. Anyone else hear this story?
Maybe there is a psychological idea, though: needing to make the sound louder, one pulls it towards you, while wanting to make it quieter, push it away. But then the BBC always had it?s own logic. My father (who was military) used to say: ?There are three ways of doing something ? the Right Way, the Wrong Way and the Army Way?. Substitute ?BBC? for ?Army?!

Norman was a hugely steadying presence when under his training, I was mixing Blue Peter, live. That show, one would think quite simple, could actually turn out to be rather hairy!

Best
Pat (who always relies upon Irish logic ? based on lateral thinking!)

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 20:50
To: Nick Ware; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

Hence Norman Greaves's elastic band for a quick fade out! Cheers, Dave
On 03/07/2020 19:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
I wondered about that too, and even wondered if there were quadrant faders that long ago. How simple things were then! But looking at it on iPad I can stretch the picture enough to see that the semi-logarithmic (tapered law) markings get closer at the bottom end, presumably the ?infinity? symbol at the bottom, and wider apart at the top end where finer control is needed, reducing to single digit at the top. So, I think they were non Beeb practice, fading up, not down. 
It struck me as odd from day one, when I first saw TC sound and vision mixers, that vision faders faded up, which was entirely logical, while sound faded ?down? for ?up?.
Cheers,
Nick.
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On 3 Jul 2020, at 18:32, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? 
Hello Brian
?
Interesting to see in the top picture of the interior of the MCR with the quadrant faders all in the down position. I can?t really make out the graticule markings and wondered whether on this near vertical sound desk you would have faded up the channel from the position shown? If this was the case then when did BBC TV adopt the fading up of a channel from the top position? Did radio follow the same path?
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jul  4 05:22:23 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 11:22:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
(There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
(attached again).
Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!

There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!

I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!

Best
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.

Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife. ?He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.

We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it. ?He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate. ?It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.

A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives. ?He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.

This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures. ?They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used. ?He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.

The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them. ?Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jul  4 05:55:44 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 11:55:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
> You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
> (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
> I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
> (attached again).
> Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
> My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
> He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
>  
> There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
> Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
>  
> I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
>  
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
>  
> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
>  
> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
>  
> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
>  
> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
>  
> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
>  
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jul  4 06:37:34 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 12:37:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Antiques programmes
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Alan,
You have absolutely encapsulated what I meant.
One thing that struck me about Road Trip is the haggling down by the ?presenter buyers?. I?m sure that a cheap price is agreed, simply because it?s on TV. I doubt that your average footfall punter would have as much success in knocking down the ticket price to that extent!
Their businesses are getting a huge exposure to a national audience, and they probably get a facility fee as well?
I was staying in Devon with a friend who was after a set of particular glasses ? we went to an amazing emporium in Topsham ? I was totally bewildered by this Aladdin?s cave!

A good friend with whom I was at school, became an agricultural auctioneer in Hampshire. I asked him if he ever engineered the bidding a bit and he admitted to taking bids ?off the wall?. He tells an amusing story of one sale involving poultry, several creatures being stacked up in cages behind his rostrum. He was used to punters inspecting the birds and tapping him from behind to bid. There was a regular tap, and when the hammer went down, he turned round to see who had secured the item, only to find that a goose had stuck its head through the bars and was pecking him from behind!
Pat

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From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 19:10
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Antiques programmes

The location where they buy affects the price, ?so does prosperity of the location where they sell. ?Another factor is how many people attend the auction and whether there are many online bidders.

If somebody on Antiques Road Trip buys in a non- touristy part of east Anglia, but gets to sell in Chiswick, if they are cunning, they can buy things fairly cheaply which appeal to the affluent people expected to be at the auction. Conversely I?ve seen the experts touring posh parts of Cheshire, but selling in Liverpool and wondering why they made such a big loss.

It?s not often that I feel sorry for people who own second hand shops, but I do feel for them when they have listed something for ?100 and the buyer negotiates a price of ?50, but then it goes on to sell at auction for ?300.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jul  4 07:13:05 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 13:13:05 +0100
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Thank you Graeme, for that photo. Interesting that the engine number seems to have been changed.
I had a look on the Internet for 6003, and didn?t find anything conclusive as to its current situation.
(It was a few years ago that Bulmer?s ran the train, probably all scrapped, now).

A good friend, who sadly died of cancer, was a hobby steam model engineer, who built his own locomotives
for his garden railway. He went on holiday to Cuba to experience the steam trains there, and his lovely wife
had thoughtfully packed his overalls. He arrived on the platform, dressed in them, whereupon the engine drivers
spotted him and cried out: ?Meccanico, meccanico!? and hauled him onto the footplate!

I am a native of the Isle of Wight, and when Beeching axed most of the network there, I asked my contacts at
the Bluebell if they had contemplated moving their operation to the Island. They had, but on seeing the cost
of transporting their carefully restored locomotives and rolling stock, it was a no-no. Sad, because the Island rail
network could have become a world attraction as a working steam rail museum. A few far-sighted business
investors could have done it. Too late, now, as most of the rails have been torn up and new housing estates
built over.

Pat

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From: Graeme Wall
Sent: 04 July 2020 11:55
To: patheigham
Cc: Alan Taylor; Tech ops
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Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jul  4 08:25:20 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:25:20 +0100
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Also from 1973 Graeme ? possibly the same occasion



Just look at the thickness of metal in those brass letters! They didn?t do things by halves in Swindon. There?s something about the industrious looking buffing up going on that serves as a reminder of the immense pride GWR men took in their machinery. For an alternative look at 6000 how about this for something to chance upon as you round a bend in the road. It had a hefty watermark across the front as I found it and I cloned out the worst of it where it compromised the detail, but a chunk of grey overlay is still there below the smokebox door.



King George V for those not of the GWR persuasion was the flagship of God?s Wonderful Railway. She was regularly  through Taunton Station, often on a stopping train, in the 1950?s when I, like most lads, was a frequent purchaser of a 1d platform ticket to indulge in train spotting. 13 coaches was the norm through the summer though more were sometimes encountered.

Seems to me some of us haven?t entirely grown up!

Dave Newbitt.

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:55 AM
To: patheigham 
Cc: Tech ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.

? 
Graeme Wall





  On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
  You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
  (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
  I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
  (attached again).
  Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
  My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
  He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
   
  There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
  Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
   
  I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
   
  Best
  Pat
   
  Sent from Mail for Windows 10
   
  From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
  Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
  To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
   
  There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
   
  Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
   
  We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
   
  A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
   
  This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
   
  The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
   
  Alan Taylor
   


   



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jul  4 08:52:21 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:52:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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At least two of the coaches ended up with the Orient Express train apparently.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 Jul 2020, at 13:13, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Graeme, for that photo. Interesting that the engine number seems to have been changed.
> I had a look on the Internet for 6003, and didn?t find anything conclusive as to its current situation.
> (It was a few years ago that Bulmer?s ran the train, probably all scrapped, now).
>  
> A good friend, who sadly died of cancer, was a hobby steam model engineer, who built his own locomotives
> for his garden railway. He went on holiday to Cuba to experience the steam trains there, and his lovely wife
> had thoughtfully packed his overalls. He arrived on the platform, dressed in them, whereupon the engine drivers
> spotted him and cried out: ?Meccanico, meccanico!? and hauled him onto the footplate!
>  
> I am a native of the Isle of Wight, and when Beeching axed most of the network there, I asked my contacts at
> the Bluebell if they had contemplated moving their operation to the Island. They had, but on seeing the cost
> of transporting their carefully restored locomotives and rolling stock, it was a no-no. Sad, because the Island rail
> network could have become a world attraction as a working steam rail museum. A few far-sighted business
> investors could have done it. Too late, now, as most of the rails have been torn up and new housing estates
> built over.
>  
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Graeme Wall
> Sent: 04 July 2020 11:55
> To: patheigham
> Cc: Alan Taylor; Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jul  4 08:55:39 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:55:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
In-Reply-To: <47155A09C16849A9AFBC14FD46EA51E3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <35696fc4-03ce-9615-fa82-3683257281b3@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Nice photo of the bloke cleaning the name plate! That would have been her the next trip, my photo was taken on 24th June. The other photo appears to have been taken at the new museum at Swindon works, back to her birth place.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 Jul 2020, at 14:25, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> Also from 1973 Graeme ? possibly the same occasion
>  
> <6000%20Nameplate%201973[3].jpg>
>  
> Just look at the thickness of metal in those brass letters! They didn?t do things by halves in Swindon. There?s something about the industrious looking buffing up going on that serves as a reminder of the immense pride GWR men took in their machinery. For an alternative look at 6000 how about this for something to chance upon as you round a bend in the road. It had a hefty watermark across the front as I found it and I cloned out the worst of it where it compromised the detail, but a chunk of grey overlay is still there below the smokebox door.
>  
> <KGV%20on%20the%20move.[3].jpg>
>  
> King George V for those not of the GWR persuasion was the flagship of God?s Wonderful Railway. She was regularly  through Taunton Station, often on a stopping train, in the 1950?s when I, like most lads, was a frequent purchaser of a 1d platform ticket to indulge in train spotting. 13 coaches was the norm through the summer though more were sometimes encountered.
>  
> Seems to me some of us haven?t entirely grown up!
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:55 AM
> To: patheigham
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> <Bulmers.jpg>
> 
>> On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
>> You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
>> (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
>> I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
>> (attached again).
>> Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
>> My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
>> He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
>>  
>> There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
>> Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
>>  
>> I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
>>  
>> Best
>> Pat
>>  
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>  
>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>  
>> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
>>  
>> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
>>  
>> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
>>  
>> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
>>  
>> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
>>  
>> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
>>  
>> Alan Taylor
>>  
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jul  4 09:07:29 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 15:07:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
In-Reply-To: <47155A09C16849A9AFBC14FD46EA51E3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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There has been a splendid series about Heavy Trucking, involving moving railway engines, amongst other loads.
Fascinating!
Pat


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From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 09:14:55 2020
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 15:14:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Hi Pat

With regard to the Isle of Wight railway lines!   I now live on the Isle of
Wight, and recently there have been moves to re-open some of the lines
Beeching closed in the sixties!

https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/18471580.isle-wight-railway-plans-move-closer---government-funds-awarded/


https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/18533046.enticing-prospect-newport-london-waterloo-rail/

Our MP Bob Seeley has made it one of his "targets" in Island regeneration!

Cheers

Brian


On Sat, 4 Jul 2020 at 13:13, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Thank you Graeme, for that photo. Interesting that the engine number seems
> to have been changed.
>
> I had a look on the Internet for 6003, and didn?t find anything conclusive
> as to its current situation.
>
> (It was a few years ago that Bulmer?s ran the train, probably all
> scrapped, now).
>
>
>
> A good friend, who sadly died of cancer, was a hobby steam model engineer,
> who built his own locomotives
>
> for his garden railway. He went on holiday to Cuba to experience the steam
> trains there, and his lovely wife
> had thoughtfully packed his overalls. He arrived on the platform, dressed
> in them, whereupon the engine drivers
> spotted him and cried out: ?Meccanico, meccanico!? and hauled him onto the
> footplate!
>
>
>
> I am a native of the Isle of Wight, and when Beeching axed most of the
> network there, I asked my contacts at
>
> the Bluebell if they had contemplated moving their operation to the
> Island. They had, but on seeing the cost
> of transporting their carefully restored locomotives and rolling stock, it
> was a no-no. Sad, because the Island rail
> network could have become a world attraction as a working steam rail
> museum. A few far-sighted business
> investors could have done it. Too late, now, as most of the rails have
> been torn up and new housing estates
> built over.
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Graeme Wall <graeme.wall at icloud.com>
> *Sent: *04 July 2020 11:55
> *To: *patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net>
> *Cc: *Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com>; Tech ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] TV History
>
>
>
> Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s
> early main line trips in 1973.
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 10:30:52 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 16:30:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: would anyone like this microphone? Sony F99-B.
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	would anyone like this microphone? Sony F99-B.
Date: 	Sat, 4 Jul 2020 14:57:40 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



 ? Hi Bernie, I hope you're keeping safe?

I wonder if you might do me a favour?
As you know, I have trouble using this yahoo address with getting 
messages to the group.
I'm wanting to get rid of this microphone and would like to offer it to 
the group, would you be able to send it on for me please? I have owned 
it from new and can't have used it in at least 30 years....the sticker 
on the stand MUST date from the very early 80's.

 ?I don't want any money for it, just an address to send to!


Thanks again and hope to hear from you soon.

all the best,
 ????? Gary C
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jul  4 11:31:58 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 17:31:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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References: <5f005861.1c69fb81.5d8b0.a798@mx.google.com>
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The occasion when my ex-wife?s grandfather visited his old loco must have been in the mid 70?s as he died in 1979.  The way that visit turned out was entirely unexpected.  We merely intended to show him his old engine, but things just sort of took off.  The museum staff did take notes and they later sent him a lovely print of one of their pictures with him on the footplate.

When she was young, her grandfather would arrange for the family to get ?priv? tickets, meet at Swindon station and board the service he was driving to Weston Super Mare.  As a seven year old, she simply assumed that everybody?s grandfather would drive them to the seaside in a steam loco if they wanted a family day out.

Alan Taylor

> On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
> You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
> (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
> I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
> (attached again).
> Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
> My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
> He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
>  
> There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
> Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
>  
> I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
>  
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
>  
> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
>  
> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
>  
> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
>  
> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
>  
> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 11:46:44 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 17:46:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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When I was about 12 I was one of the regular group of trainspotters on the
Bridle Path at Watford Junction. A place to gather and chat, with the odd
train passing. Wait for the Midday Scot, then go home for lunch. Sometimes
we'd get on our bikes and go somewhere else.
A favourite was Old Oak Common roundhouse, where they complely ignored boys
wandering around. Once, 6000 was sitting there, so we climbed into the cab.
Completely ignored.

B

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 14:25 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Also from 1973 Graeme ? possibly the same occasion
>
> [image: 6000 Nameplate 1973]
>
> Just look at the thickness of metal in those brass letters! They didn?t do
> things by halves in Swindon. There?s something about the industrious
> looking buffing up going on that serves as a reminder of the immense pride
> GWR men took in their machinery. For an alternative look at 6000 how about
> this for something to chance upon as you round a bend in the road. It had a
> hefty watermark across the front as I found it and I cloned out the worst
> of it where it compromised the detail, but a chunk of grey overlay is still
> there below the smokebox door.
>
> [image: KGV on the move.]
>
> King George V for those not of the GWR persuasion was the flagship of
> God?s Wonderful Railway. She was regularly  through Taunton Station, often
> on a stopping train, in the 1950?s when I, like most lads, was a frequent
> purchaser of a 1d platform ticket to indulge in train spotting. 13 coaches
> was the norm through the summer though more were sometimes encountered.
>
> Seems to me some of us haven?t entirely grown up!
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> *From:* Graeme Wall via Tech1
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:55 AM
> *To:* patheigham
> *Cc:* Tech ops
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] TV History
>
> Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s
> early main line trips in 1973.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
> On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should
> have been recorded.
> You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t
> around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
> (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was
> the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
> I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming
> job.
> (attached again).
> Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being
> taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were
> unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
> My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and
> lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a
> bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but
> I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
> He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining
> and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very
> evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come.
> Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel
> to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
>
> There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy
> proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes
> on TV at this time.
> Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
>
> I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the
> steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
>
> Best
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>
> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way
> it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
>
> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He
> was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to
> talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
>
> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to
> see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the
> museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he
> knew the what even the most minor controls did.
>
> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew
> what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for
> because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained
> that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing
> efficiency trials in the 1950s.
>
> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made
> perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then
> invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite
> obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all
> sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the
> controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He
> talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold
> weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients,
> how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long
> left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends
> don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he
> explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
>
> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how
> the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just
> shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t
> already know such trivial matters.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Jul  4 12:18:17 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 17:18:17 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351128E8A3D0FC1274C5CACA76B0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Nothing to do with TV history, but since we all love steam: ?I once had a thoroughly enjoyable day filming on the Swindon & Cricklade railway. The object of the excercise was to re-create a shot in (IIRC) a Charlie Chaplin film. In that shot, a steam loco comes hurtling towards the camera, directly behind a person standing on the track, who steps out of the way at the very last microsecond.
Our re-creation involved a setup where the camera is adjacent to the track, but at right angles to it, together with the actor. On the track is a huge glass mirror at 45 degrees, giving the camera a head-on shot.
We did several practice runs, driver POV?s and GV?s without the mirror in place (my chance to ride on a tank engine). Then the magic moment. Mirror in place, camera running, and along comes the loco and smashes through the mirror. (Cut to shot of loco carrying on down the track). The shot worked perfectly, but I felt sorry for whoever had to pick up the shattered glass!
Nowadays it would be boring CGI, but it was more spectacular the old way. It was one of those days when you can?t believe you?re actually being paid to have such fun!
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 4 Jul 2020, at 14:52, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?At least two of the coaches ended up with the Orient Express train apparently.
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall

From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jul  4 13:10:13 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:10:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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You?re one up on me there Bernie ? the GWR staff at Taunton were mustard at chasing small boys off. Only once did I ever make it to the engine shed (MPD to the purists I guess) but looking back it was a potentially dangerous area with umpteen sidings, constant shunting and the coaling stage close by.

Alan?s 4073 Caerphilly Castle is something I very much enjoyed reading about. She was one that I saw many, many times and in later years I went to see her in the Science Museum and eventually took my son to share the experience. Old tech maybe but he was enthralled, as I believe many youngsters are when close up to steam locomotives.

Dave Newbitt. 

From: Bernard Newnham 
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 5:46 PM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: Graeme Wall ; patheigham ; Tech ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

When I was about 12 I was one of the regular group of trainspotters on the Bridle Path at Watford Junction. A place to gather and chat, with the odd train passing. Wait for the Midday Scot, then go home for lunch. Sometimes we'd get on our bikes and go somewhere else. 
A favourite was Old Oak Common roundhouse, where they complely ignored boys wandering around. Once, 6000 was sitting there, so we climbed into the cab. Completely ignored.

B

On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 14:25 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

  Also from 1973 Graeme ? possibly the same occasion



  Just look at the thickness of metal in those brass letters! They didn?t do things by halves in Swindon. There?s something about the industrious looking buffing up going on that serves as a reminder of the immense pride GWR men took in their machinery. For an alternative look at 6000 how about this for something to chance upon as you round a bend in the road. It had a hefty watermark across the front as I found it and I cloned out the worst of it where it compromised the detail, but a chunk of grey overlay is still there below the smokebox door.



  King George V for those not of the GWR persuasion was the flagship of God?s Wonderful Railway. She was regularly  through Taunton Station, often on a stopping train, in the 1950?s when I, like most lads, was a frequent purchaser of a 1d platform ticket to indulge in train spotting. 13 coaches was the norm through the summer though more were sometimes encountered.

  Seems to me some of us haven?t entirely grown up!

  Dave Newbitt.

  From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 
  Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:55 AM
  To: patheigham 
  Cc: Tech ops 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

  Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.

  ? 
  Graeme Wall





    On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
    You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
    (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
    I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
    (attached again).
    Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
    My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
    He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
     
    There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
    Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
     
    I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
     
    Best
    Pat
     
    Sent from Mail for Windows 10
     
    From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
    Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
    To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
     
    There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
     
    Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
     
    We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
     
    A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
     
    This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
     
    The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
     
    Alan Taylor
     


     



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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sat Jul  4 13:55:55 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:55:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Here?s4073 at Swindon museum
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 4 Jul 2020, at 19:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:
> 
> You?re one up on me there Bernie ? the GWR staff at Taunton were mustard at chasing small boys off. Only once did I ever make it to the engine shed (MPD to the purists I guess) but looking back it was a potentially dangerous area with umpteen sidings, constant shunting and the coaling stage close by.
>  
> Alan?s 4073 Caerphilly Castle is something I very much enjoyed reading about. She was one that I saw many, many times and in later years I went to see her in the Science Museum and eventually took my son to share the experience. Old tech maybe but he was enthralled, as I believe many youngsters are when close up to steam locomotives.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Bernard Newnham
> Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 5:46 PM
> To: David Newbitt
> Cc: Graeme Wall ; patheigham ; Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> When I was about 12 I was one of the regular group of trainspotters on the Bridle Path at Watford Junction. A place to gather and chat, with the odd train passing. Wait for the Midday Scot, then go home for lunch. Sometimes we'd get on our bikes and go somewhere else.
> A favourite was Old Oak Common roundhouse, where they complely ignored boys wandering around. Once, 6000 was sitting there, so we climbed into the cab. Completely ignored.
>  
> B
>  
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 14:25 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Also from 1973 Graeme ? possibly the same occasion
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> Just look at the thickness of metal in those brass letters! They didn?t do things by halves in Swindon. There?s something about the industrious looking buffing up going on that serves as a reminder of the immense pride GWR men took in their machinery. For an alternative look at 6000 how about this for something to chance upon as you round a bend in the road. It had a hefty watermark across the front as I found it and I cloned out the worst of it where it compromised the detail, but a chunk of grey overlay is still there below the smokebox door.
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> King George V for those not of the GWR persuasion was the flagship of God?s Wonderful Railway. She was regularly  through Taunton Station, often on a stopping train, in the 1950?s when I, like most lads, was a frequent purchaser of a 1d platform ticket to indulge in train spotting. 13 coaches was the norm through the summer though more were sometimes encountered.
>>  
>> Seems to me some of us haven?t entirely grown up!
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>> Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:55 AM
>> To: patheigham
>> Cc: Tech ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>  
>> Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
>>> You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
>>> (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
>>> I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
>>> (attached again).
>>> Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
>>> My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
>>> He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
>>>  
>>> There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
>>> Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
>>>  
>>> I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
>>>  
>>> Best
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>  
>>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>>> Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
>>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>>>  
>>> There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
>>>  
>>> Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
>>>  
>>> We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
>>>  
>>> A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar      locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
>>>  
>>> This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
>>>  
>>> The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
>>>  
>>> Alan Taylor
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jul  4 17:18:51 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 23:18:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Some things never change
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While researching something else, I came across this article from 1952.

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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jul  4 18:33:24 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 00:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Some things never change
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Some things never change, it seems!

Mike G

> On 4 Jul 2020, at 23:19, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?While researching something else, I came across this article from 1952.
> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jul  5 04:00:52 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 10:00:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Very little excuse for stretching this thread to breaking point but I thought it a nice example of modern B & W photography/processing. From the Railpictures.net site, the photographer is the Swiss based George Trub. He has posted well over 10,000 photos which have notched up 21.5 million viewings.



Dave Newbitt.


From: Graeme Wall 
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 7:55 PM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: Bernard Newnham ; patheigham ; Tech ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

Here?s4073 at Swindon museum

? 
Graeme Wall





  On 4 Jul 2020, at 19:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

  You?re one up on me there Bernie ? the GWR staff at Taunton were mustard at chasing small boys off. Only once did I ever make it to the engine shed (MPD to the purists I guess) but looking back it was a potentially dangerous area with umpteen sidings, constant shunting and the coaling stage close by.
   
  Alan?s 4073 Caerphilly Castle is something I very much enjoyed reading about. She was one that I saw many, many times and in later years I went to see her in the Science Museum and eventually took my son to share the experience. Old tech maybe but he was enthralled, as I believe many youngsters are when close up to steam locomotives.
   
  Dave Newbitt.
   
  From: Bernard Newnham
  Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 5:46 PM
  To: David Newbitt
  Cc: Graeme Wall ; patheigham ; Tech ops
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
   
  When I was about 12 I was one of the regular group of trainspotters on the Bridle Path at Watford Junction. A place to gather and chat, with the odd train passing. Wait for the Midday Scot, then go home for lunch. Sometimes we'd get on our bikes and go somewhere else.
  A favourite was Old Oak Common roundhouse, where they complely ignored boys wandering around. Once, 6000 was sitting there, so we climbed into the cab. Completely ignored.
   
  B
   
  On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 14:25 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    Also from 1973 Graeme ? possibly the same occasion
     

     
    Just look at the thickness of metal in those brass letters! They didn?t do things by halves in Swindon. There?s something about the industrious looking buffing up going on that serves as a reminder of the immense pride GWR men took in their machinery. For an alternative look at 6000 how about this for something to chance upon as you round a bend in the road. It had a hefty watermark across the front as I found it and I cloned out the worst of it where it compromised the detail, but a chunk of grey overlay is still there below the smokebox door.
     

     
    King George V for those not of the GWR persuasion was the flagship of God?s Wonderful Railway. She was regularly  through Taunton Station, often on a stopping train, in the 1950?s when I, like most lads, was a frequent purchaser of a 1d platform ticket to indulge in train spotting. 13 coaches was the norm through the summer though more were sometimes encountered.
     
    Seems to me some of us haven?t entirely grown up!
     
    Dave Newbitt.
     
    From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
    Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:55 AM
    To: patheigham
    Cc: Tech ops
    Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
     
    Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.
    ? 
    Graeme Wall




      On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

      I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
      You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
      (There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
      I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
      (attached again).
      Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
      My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
      He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
       
      There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
      Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
       
      I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
       
      Best
      Pat
       
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      From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
      Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
      To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
      Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
       
      There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
       
      Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.  He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
       
      We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.  He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.  It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
       
      A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar      locomotives.  He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
       
      This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.  They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.  He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
       
      The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.  Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
       
      Alan Taylor
       


       



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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sun Jul  5 15:59:03 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 21:59:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] (was) TV History
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?Foremarke Hall? is (I think, certainly has been recently) in use on the Gloucestershire and Warwickshire Railway (GWR ? see what they did there?) between Cheltenham and Broadway.  

PS ? the real Foremarke Hall is part of Repton School, and by a happy coincidence ?Repton? the SR Schools class engine, is also running in preservation.

Anorak mode off!    Best wishes  .....  Vern

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From: David Newbitt via Tech1
Sent: 05 July 2020 10:01
To: Graeme Wall
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History

Very little excuse for stretching this thread to breaking point but I thought it a nice example of modern B & W photography/processing. From the Railpictures.net site, the photographer is the Swiss based George Trub. He has posted well over 10,000 photos which have notched up 21.5 million viewings.
?

?
Dave Newbitt.
?
?
From: Graeme Wall 
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 7:55 PM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: Bernard Newnham ; patheigham ; Tech ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
?
Here?s4073 at Swindon museum
? 
Graeme Wall



On 4 Jul 2020, at 19:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

You?re one up on me there Bernie ? the GWR staff at Taunton were mustard at chasing small boys off. Only once did I ever make it to the engine shed (MPD to the purists I guess) but looking back it was a potentially dangerous area with umpteen sidings, constant shunting and the coaling stage close by.
?
Alan?s 4073 Caerphilly Castle is something I very much enjoyed reading about. She was one that I saw many, many times and in later years I went to see her in the Science Museum and eventually took my son to share the experience. Old tech maybe but he was enthralled, as I believe many youngsters are when close up to steam locomotives.
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: Bernard Newnham
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 5:46 PM
To: David Newbitt
Cc: Graeme Wall ; patheigham ; Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
?
When I was about 12 I was one of the regular group of trainspotters on the Bridle Path at Watford Junction. A place to gather and chat, with the odd train passing. Wait for the Midday Scot, then go home for lunch. Sometimes we'd get on our bikes and go somewhere else.
A favourite was Old Oak Common roundhouse, where they complely ignored boys wandering around. Once, 6000 was sitting there, so we climbed into the cab. Completely ignored.
?
B
?
On Sat, 4 Jul 2020, 14:25 David Newbitt via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Also from 1973 Graeme ? possibly the same occasion
?

?
Just look at the thickness of metal in those brass letters! They didn?t do things by halves in Swindon. There?s something about the industrious looking buffing up going on that serves as a reminder of the immense pride GWR men took in their machinery. For an alternative look at 6000 how about this for something to chance upon as you round a bend in the road. It had a hefty watermark across the front as I found it and I cloned out the worst of it where it compromised the detail, but a chunk of grey overlay is still there below the smokebox door.
?

?
King George V for those not of the GWR persuasion was the flagship of God?s Wonderful Railway. She was regularly? through Taunton Station, often on a stopping train, in the 1950?s when I, like most lads, was a frequent purchaser of a 1d platform ticket to indulge in train spotting. 13 coaches was the norm through the summer though more were sometimes encountered.
?
Seems to me some of us haven?t entirely grown up!
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 11:55 AM
To: patheigham
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
?
Apropos Pat?s Bulmers story, here is KGV with the Pullmans on one of it?s early main line trips in 1973.
? 
Graeme Wall




On 4 Jul 2020, at 11:22, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

I do so agree with Geoff Hawkes? mention that the reminiscences should have been recorded.
You don?t say what year this took place ? maybe video handycams weren?t around? I should have loved to have shot on that.
(There has been a super programme made with Go-Pro cams (?), think it was the Scotsman, which covered the work of the footplate crew).
I posted earlier, a story of riding on the footplate while on a filming job.
(attached again).
Every kid wanted to be an engine driver in those days ? I remember being taken up to the front of the train to say hello to the drivers who were unfailingly cheerful and chatty.
My maternal grandfather had been an engineer of some description, and lived on Watford Way ? one night I was taken to see a train dash across a bridge opposite his house. It was there and gone in a shower of sparks, but I think it could have been the Flying Scotsman.
He also took me to King?s Cross to see the trains ? it had been raining and the carriages came in with water dripping off their gutters. Very evocative, and I remember wondering from where it was that they had come. Perhaps that was the first seeding of my interest and future love of travel to distant climes, subsequently fulfilled by the film industry!
?
There is a huge nostalgia for the age of steam, witness the healthy proliferation of preserved railways and the plethora of railway programmes on TV at this time.
Also attached - a Discovery at Bulmer?s Cider!
?
I took a girlfriend for a day out on the Bluebell Line - when she saw the steam engines, delightfully exclaimed: ?Choo-choo?s!? Says it all!
?
Best
Pat
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 03 July 2020 12:09
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
?
There is usually documentation and photographs for equipment, but the way it was used in the real world is rarely documented.
?
Some of you will have been told about the grandfather of my ex-wife.? He was an engine driver on GWR in the final years of steam and often used to talk about Caerphilly Castle as though it was his personal loco.
?
We discovered that it was a static exhibition in a museum and took him to see it.? He was very moved to see it in pristine condition and one of the museum staff allowed him to go onto the footplate.? It was obvious that he knew the what even the most minor controls did.
?
A more senior member of staff was called and at one point asked if he knew what two tapped holes in the surround for the driver?s window were for because they aren?t seen in similar????? locomotives.? He immediately explained that they were for the display of a dynamometer while they were doing efficiency trials in the 1950s.
?
This impressed the staff as it had puzzled them for years, but made perfect sense and even fitted in with some of the paperwork. We were then invited upstairs to see photos of that loco in operation and it was quite obviously him driving it in many of those pictures.? They asked him all sorts of stuff about driving it because although they knew what all the controls did, in many cases they didn?t know why or how they were used.? He talked at great length about how you operate the loco differently in cold weather, how you temporarily boost the power when approaching gradients, how to read the track to keep things running smoothly, how certain long left hand bends cause problems at high speed while similar right hand bends don?t, what you do when starting up and shutting down, but most of all he explained that you don?t go by the dials, but how it feels and sounds.
?
The museum were thrilled to get such a comprehensive description of how the loco was operated and much of it was new to them.? Grandad just shrugged it all of and couldn?t imagine how ?so called experts? didn?t already know such trivial matters.
?
Alan Taylor
?


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jul  5 16:56:12 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 22:56:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Useful advice for cat lovers
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I don't think that this is RSPCA authorised! Cheers, Dave

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jul  5 17:02:33 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 23:02:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pets
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.. having now got a perfectly clean pussy, what better than two very 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 18:07:45 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 00:07:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pets
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I absolutely love that clip of the Dogs ?Saying Grace? at feeding time and it?ll be going out to the folk on our church email list tomorrow as it will make them smile as it did me. How the owner managed to train them like that I?ll never know, but my daughter?s dog wouldn?t hold back in that way for a moment.
It reminds me of a story told by one of our old ministers. A missionary was plodding through the jungle spreading the Good News and converting the natives wherever he could. One day he was stopped in his tracks when a lion which appeared in front of him. In fear of his life wondered what to do, then had a brainwave, ?if I only I could convert this lion, perhaps he won?t eat me.? So he told it the message and waited for a response. To his amazement the lion got to it?s knees, put its front paws together and with a beatific smile on its face began praying. Emboldened by this, the missionary drew nearer so he could hear what the lion was saying and this is what he heard:
?For what we are about to receive...?
Keep ?em coming, we need more stories and videos like that,
Geoff

> On 5 Jul 2020, at 23:03, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?.. having now got a perfectly clean pussy, what better than two very well mannered doggies? Cheers, Dave
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From peterleverick at newleaf.tv  Mon Jul  6 01:45:06 2020
From: peterleverick at newleaf.tv (Peter Leverick)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 07:45:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Useful advice for cat lovers
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Tried this with our Grandson's hamster.
It 'escaped' before the wash had finished.

Peter

On Sun, 5 Jul 2020 at 22:56, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Jul  6 02:40:50 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 08:40:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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A real case of it being all smoke and mirrors!

Graeme Wall

> On 4 Jul 2020, at 18:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Nothing to do with TV history, but since we all love steam: ?I once had a thoroughly enjoyable day filming on the Swindon & Cricklade railway. The object of the excercise was to re-create a shot in (IIRC) a Charlie Chaplin film. In that shot, a steam loco comes hurtling towards the camera, directly behind a person standing on the track, who steps out of the way at the very last microsecond.
> Our re-creation involved a setup where the camera is adjacent to the track, but at right angles to it, together with the actor. On the track is a huge glass mirror at 45 degrees, giving the camera a head-on shot.
> We did several practice runs, driver POV?s and GV?s without the mirror in place (my chance to ride on a tank engine). Then the magic moment. Mirror in place, camera running, and along comes the loco and smashes through the mirror. (Cut to shot of loco carrying on down the track). The shot worked perfectly, but I felt sorry for whoever had to pick up the shattered glass!
> Nowadays it would be boring CGI, but it was more spectacular the old way. It was one of those days when you can?t believe you?re actually being paid to have such fun!
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 4 Jul 2020, at 14:52, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?At least two of the coaches ended up with the Orient Express train apparently.
>> 
>> ? 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul  6 03:55:03 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 09:55:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pets
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How lovely ? will send to all my dog-owning friends!

Attached is a clip, which is very cleverly done. Plus a text on ?How to give a pill to a cat? (which you have probably seen already) !
(Hope the video clip is not too large a file to send).

Best regards
Pat

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.. having now got a perfectly clean pussy, what better than two very 
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Filmed in fabulous 9:16

B



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Another lion story:
Scene: The Coliseum in Rome.
Christian slave buried up to his neck in the sand of the arena.
Lion released, which bounds up to the Christian, who whispers to it.
The lion slinks away and lies down at the other side of the arena.
Caesar is amazed, and demands that the Christian be brought to him,
whereupon he asks what it was to make the lion retreat.
The Christian says: ?I merely mentioned that after dinner, he would be expected to make a speech!?

In the wild, it?s the lioness who goes off hunting, and brings back dinner. I have a VHS of an excellent programme about Etosha, a largely desert area of SW Africa. There is one sequence of a lion quietly lying by a waterhole ? a lioness wanders in behind him, moves round to his front and delivers a wallop of a cuff across his snout! Then wanders off, leaving Leo looking highly bemused. (Could it be Sybil and Basil Fawlty in another guise?).

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a lion which appeared in front of him. In fear of his life wondered what to do, then had a brainwave, ?if I only I could convert this lion, perhaps he won?t eat me.? So he told it the message and waited for a response. To his amazement the lion got to it?s knees, put its front paws together and with a beatific smile on its face began praying. Emboldened by this, the missionary drew nearer so he could hear what the lion was saying and this is what he heard:
?For what we are about to receive...?



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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:04:07 +0100
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This is actually a BBC TV story!
A good few years ago, I was scheduled to work on the ?final? performance of Beyond the Fringe from the TV Theatre. I managed to make a ?? audio recording of it for my library, but longed for a picture version.
Recently discovered a DVD available, probably taken off a VHS, as the quality is not great, but great to have it as one remembered.
It is said that a deal of the material would not be acceptable these days, but I think it was very witty, barbed and clever.
Sad to realise that of the original four, only Alan Bennett is still around.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul  6 05:21:31 2020
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:21:31 +0100
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To echo Nick?s remark  at being paid to have fun ? I found that working on documentaries, to experience places and manufacturing systems that to a member of the public, would be denied, was fascinating.
One job involved shooting in Pilkington?s glass factory, where they made huge sheets of plate glass for shop windows etc.
The molten glass flowed out of the furnace on to a conveyor belt, and as it rapidly cooled, a laser scanned the sheet, looking for flaws. When one was spotted, a computer calculated how many standard size panels could be made from the last flaw location, and a motorised diamond cutter whipped across to cut the glass. Any short ends, were shot into a trench, as the belt tipped down to discard them. The smashing sound of the spare bits of glass was satisfyingly wonderful!

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A real case of it being all smoke and mirrors!

Graeme Wall

> On 4 Jul 2020, at 18:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Mirror in place, camera running, and along comes the loco and smashes through the mirror. (Cut to shot of loco carrying on down the track). The shot worked perfectly, but I felt sorry for whoever had to pick up the shattered glass!
. It was one of those days when you can?t believe you?re actually being paid to have such fun!
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul  6 06:00:24 2020
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:00:24 +0100
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Yes, I do wonder why folks film something with the phone camera held vertically.
They must have been to the cinema, or seen 16:9 TV, so why?
Is it because of the button position I wonder (i.e. how the phone is held).

I think we?ve had a discussion about the mathematical concept of The Perfect Rectangle (was it the Greeks?).
Could that have a bearing on the normal aspect ratio of the human eyesight? Except that they never had Cinerama in the Coliseum!
(OK that was the Romans!).

If you have ever wondered about why sheep?s and goat?s irises are rectangular slots, an explanation was given on a wildlife programme.
Apparently the vision via a slotted iris is more acute in the vertical plane, thus when the animal has its head down whilst grazing, it is more aware of predators creeping up on them, as their iris is aligned vertically. Perhaps all the people who film with the phone vertical are just sheep!
Pat

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Filmed in fabulous 9:16

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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 06:36:39 2020
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:36:39 +0100
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The reason so many people shoot stills and moving pictures in portrait mode is because 90% of the time they are shooting for ?selfies? or social messaging apps which are 90% of the time looked at on phones

 

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Yes, I do wonder why folks film something with the phone camera held vertically.

They must have been to the cinema, or seen 16:9 TV, so why?

Is it because of the button position I wonder (i.e. how the phone is held).

 

I think we?ve had a discussion about the mathematical concept of The Perfect Rectangle (was it the Greeks?).

Could that have a bearing on the normal aspect ratio of the human eyesight? Except that they never had Cinerama in the Coliseum!
(OK that was the Romans!).

 

If you have ever wondered about why sheep?s and goat?s irises are rectangular slots, an explanation was given on a wildlife programme.

Apparently the vision via a slotted iris is more acute in the vertical plane, thus when the animal has its head down whilst grazing, it is more aware of predators creeping up on them, as their iris is aligned vertically. Perhaps all the people who film with the phone vertical are just sheep!

Pat

 

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Filmed in fabulous 9:16

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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul  6 06:40:20 2020
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:40:20 +0100
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Getting paid to have fun certainly makes up for some of the more tedious times.  As always I enjoy combining two recent thread discussions.  In particular Pat's recording of breaking glass on a massive scale and multiple railway reminiscences can be linked up with two of my adventures while shooting The Tripods series 1 and 2.

There was a sequence in series 2, shot in a slate quarry in wales where our heroes destroy one of the Tripods ( rather like War of the Worlds machines 150 feet high ), which culminates with it crashing to the ground.  The lovely Chris Barry was directing and it was obvious that he would want a suitably epic sound effect to go with the finished scene, which was mostly shot using models and some bits built to full scale. I had my doubts whether the BBC sound effects library might have furnished quite the right effect, so decided to make my own recording.

I chatted with one of the quarry workers and arranged for two of those enormous Tonka Toy type of quarry tipper trucks full of boulders and rubble to be driven to the top of a ravine away from the shooting location and reversed right up to the edge.  I set up microphones in likely spots down below, found a safe looking place to operate, started the Nagras and gave my cue over a walkie talkie. The drivers had been briefed to rapidly tip the contents and cut their engines the moment that the load started moving and not to restart the engines until I gave the all clear.  

The resultant wild track was spectacular and couldn't have been better.  A few minutes later as we were wrapping up the gear, the production manager, Nick Laughlan ( who sadly passed away earlier this year ) and a few others turned up to see what had been making this huge noise and dust cloud.  They expressed disappointment that I had set this up without letting them watch because it looked like so much fun.  I pointed out that I was only going to get the one chance to get that particular wild track and I didn't want to risk having somebody whooping with excitement as the last bits of rubble trickle down the mountain.  Nick said that it was still a shame to have missed it and asked if I would like him to arrange a second recording another day so that he could watch? He then discovered that there was no suitable time in our schedule before we were moving to the next location, which was exactly why I had arranged it for when I did.

In series 1 of that show, we were shooting on a preservation railway in Devon.  A scene involved one of those plate layers pump-along wagons, much beloved by silent movies.  The guys in the art dept were moaning that there was no vehicular access to the filming location and it was going to be right hassle getting the wagon to the right place.  I offered to drive it along the track myself and immediately was joined by Steve Chilver ( cameraman ), Graham Theakston ( director for that block ) and Ralph Wilton ( production manager ).  We all had exactly the same thought - how often in life are you going to get the opportunity to get on a plate layers wagon and pump it along as fast as you can go for a couple of miles along a real railway track?  We set off with Graham vocalising a comical rendition of a silent movie piano track as we gathered speed, grinning like four Cheshire cats.

There is a funny ending too, but that's another story, even though it's part of this one.

Alan Taylor





On 6 Jul 2020, at 6 Jul . 11:21, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> To echo Nick?s remark  at being paid to have fun ? I found that working on documentaries, to experience places and manufacturing systems that to a member of the public, would be denied, was fascinating.
> One job involved shooting in Pilkington?s glass factory, where they made huge sheets of plate glass for shop windows etc.
> The molten glass flowed out of the furnace on to a conveyor belt, and as it rapidly cooled, a laser scanned the sheet, looking for flaws. When one was spotted, a computer calculated how many standard size panels could be made from the last flaw location, and a motorised diamond cutter whipped across to cut the glass. Any short ends, were shot into a trench, as the belt tipped down to discard them. The smashing sound of the spare bits of glass was satisfyingly wonderful!
>  
> Regards
> Pat
>  
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> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: 06 July 2020 08:41
> To: Nick Ware
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> A real case of it being all smoke and mirrors!
>  
> Graeme Wall
>  
> > On 4 Jul 2020, at 18:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Mirror in place, camera running, and along comes the loco and smashes through the mirror. (Cut to shot of loco carrying on down the track). The shot worked perfectly, but I felt sorry for whoever had to pick up the shattered glass!
> . It was one of those days when you can?t believe you?re actually being paid to have such fun!
> > Nick.
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From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:00:29 +0100
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I too despair of videos shot in portrait orientation.  My belief is that it's all down to what you end up doing with it, I'm expressing the same sentiment as Dave, but in a slightly different way.

With a 35mm stills camera, you orientate the camera to suit the subject and when you got the pictures back from Boots, you would orientate the prints to properly view what you shot.  Smartphones and tablets have for the first time given us a display device for moving pictures which we can easily re-orientate. Users have discovered that they no longer need worry about portrait or landscape orientation because they simply turn the display device to suit.  It's only an issue for that small minority who export their videos to another device, edit the videos and view the final result on a TV screen, which is of course landscape orientation.

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On 6 Jul 2020, at 6 Jul . 12:36, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> The reason so many people shoot stills and moving pictures in portrait mode is because 90% of the time they are shooting for ?selfies? or social messaging apps which are 90% of the time looked at on phones
>  
> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
> Sent: 06 July 2020 12:00
> To: Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pets
>  
> Yes, I do wonder why folks film something with the phone camera held vertically.
> They must have been to the cinema, or seen 16:9 TV, so why?
> Is it because of the button position I wonder (i.e. how the phone is held).
>  
> I think we?ve had a discussion about the mathematical concept of The Perfect Rectangle (was it the Greeks?).
> Could that have a bearing on the normal aspect ratio of the human eyesight? Except that they never had Cinerama in the Coliseum!
> (OK that was the Romans!).
>  
> If you have ever wondered about why sheep?s and goat?s irises are rectangular slots, an explanation was given on a wildlife programme.
> Apparently the vision via a slotted iris is more acute in the vertical plane, thus when the animal has its head down whilst grazing, it is more aware of predators creeping up on them, as their iris is aligned vertically. Perhaps all the people who film with the phone vertical are just sheep!
> Pat
>  
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> From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
> Sent: 06 July 2020 10:27
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pets
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From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:02:07 +0100
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Hi Paul,
You clued me to investigate the audio settings on my Samsung ?Smart? TV.
There was a sound level setting which purported to match levels, regardless of source. Switched it off, and as far as I can tell, it sorted my problem. Think it worked by pulling up the level when there was no obvious mod. I was viewing on a Samsung 20?, however my sitting room has a Sony 32?, but that only used as a monitor off the end of my DVD recorders. The audio from those goes into my hi-fi rig ? Quad amps and BNS speakers, didn?t check that route.
Will look at Deed on Tuesday, as that was the programme on which it was most noticeable.
Thanks for your suggestion.
Although I was the beneficiary of a BBC training in the 60?s, I never managed to get my head around today?s concept of compression and limiters, i.e. how to set it up correctly!
Working in documentaries with a mobile kit, I really appreciated the limiters on the SQN mixer, one could hardly hear them working, but they were a life saver on a series I did following the McLaren F1 team around the world. Racing cars are noisy!
Hopefully I can bore you with a discourse, attached.
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Pat

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From: Paul Thackray
Sent: 01 July 2020 07:41
To: pat.heigham at amps.net; Tech Ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Programme play out

Hi Pat,

Alternatively your tv may have decided to switch on some sort of processing? I know mine has 2 pages of sound settings (no page numbers and not obvious until you go down at the bottom of the page!) Might be worth a check or re set?

The 2 channels use different playout providers TP uses Encompass and Drama uses Red Bee (as BBC, most of BT Sport and C4 ) so likly to have both added a simular feature?

Paul Thackray

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Yes, creating sound effects where none exist in the BBC library is a bit challenging!
On a Steptoe, I had to engineer a ?water hammer? as Harold had got a load of central heating plumbing and was going to install it in the house. But he got an air leak, leading to the ?hammer?. The only way, I reckoned was to gently tap my home system pipes with a muffled hammer, with the mic aimed at another point of the system.
All going well, except I had omitted to tell my father what I was up to (I lived at home). What the ........! However he was very good about it, and I got him & mum tickets for the actual studio recording, and it provided stories in his local pub, afterwards. Oh! And drilling holes in his garage wall for another play.
Another difficult one was very much facilitated by Nick Ware, whose brother-in-law was Barry Rose, Organist and Choirmaster at Guildford Cathedral. I needed a recording of a peal of eight bells with the third one missing. (A character wakes up on a Sunday, hears the bells not right, and realises that he ain?t there to yank his bell rope).
It being impossible to edit out a single bell, it had to be a special recording, which via Barry, was set up with the Cathedral bellringers one practice night! A separate take of the missing bell was then laid up in sync on the second ??track, which was brought in when the guy eventually makes it to the bell tower.
Best
Pat

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From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:45:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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There is another variant - Having fun instead of recording sound effects.

The first drama I did where I had responsibility as a sound supervisor was a play called "Sudden Wrench". The plot revolved around a bored housewife who took a job as a plumber's mate and rose above all the hassles that came with a woman doing a "Man's job".

Some scenes were shot on a building site and it was arranged to shoot on a Sunday when the site was not working.  Genuine builders came in and doubled as extras, operating or driving machinery in the background. The day was hectic, with an optimistic schedule and it came as no surprise when we didn't keep up with that schedule.  We were so pushed for time that doing wild tracks was simply not possible, but I had been assured by the site project supervisor that if we returned the next day, he would make sure that I got clean recordings of everything I wanted.

The next afternoon was scheduled to be quite a straightforward shoot with no need for two boom operators. I handed Joe Driver the Nagra together with a comprehensive list of wanted wild tracks.  Joe had been a good friend for many years. He wasn't the sort of person to let anybody down.  Joe loaded up his car, set off for the building site and I didn't expect to see him for a few hours.

However at that time Joe had a girlfriend who lived nearby and craftily decided to visit her before recording the wild tracks.  Nobody would be any the wiser if he said that it took him all afternoon to make those recordings. Unfortunately, after he had finished having his fun, he arrived at the building site to discover that it was locked up and deserted.  Construction workers like to pack up at four o clock and go home. Joe was devastated and wondered how on earth he might talk his way out of that. By a stroke of good fortune, the project manager had spotted Joe arriving, opened up the site and started up each machine for him to record.  He ended up with much better recordings than we could ever have hoped for.

Going back to the train theme ....

The first drama I ever did was "The Bell", where Ian Leiper and myself were each responsible for half of the series.  There was a scene in a carriage on a steam railway which would need a lot of editing, with the associated problems of maintaining continuity of the railway track noises in the background.  I could see that i would need wild tracks covering every type of sound made as the carriage went into and out of tunnels, over points and along smooth sections, with variants for different speeds too.  There was no way I would be given the opportunity to gather all those sounds, so instead I arranged to seal off the adjacent compartment to the one we were filming in and set up microphones in there.  Whenever we recorded a shot, I also ran a timecode Nagra and recorded a simultaneous clean recording of the rail FX which matched what was happening in our compartment.  During the dub, locating the correct spot in all those hours of tape could have been a tedious process.  However the production assistant had been primed to keep a note of the original timecodes from the VT for each shot and it was a simple matter to get the Sypher 1/4"  tape recorder to auto-spool to the correct point whenever we needed to smooth over an edit. By adding exactly the right sound and in sync, we only needed just enough effects to smooth the transition, which helped to keep the dialogue distinct and well separated from the background.

Alan Taylor




On 6 Jul 2020, at 6 Jul . 15:07, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Yes, creating sound effects where none exist in the BBC library is a bit challenging!
> On a Steptoe, I had to engineer a ?water hammer? as Harold had got a load of central heating plumbing and was going to install it in the house. But he got an air leak, leading to the ?hammer?. The only way, I reckoned was to gently tap my home system pipes with a muffled hammer, with the mic aimed at another point of the system.
> All going well, except I had omitted to tell my father what I was up to (I lived at home). What the ........! However he was very good about it, and I got him & mum tickets for the actual studio recording, and it provided stories in his local pub, afterwards. Oh! And drilling holes in his garage wall for another play.
> Another difficult one was very much facilitated by Nick Ware, whose brother-in-law was Barry Rose, Organist and Choirmaster at Guildford Cathedral. I needed a recording of a peal of eight bells with the third one missing. (A character wakes up on a Sunday, hears the bells not right, and realises that he ain?t there to yank his bell rope).
> It being impossible to edit out a single bell, it had to be a special recording, which via Barry, was set up with the Cathedral bellringers one practice night! A separate take of the missing bell was then laid up in sync on the second ??track, which was brought in when the guy eventually makes it to the bell tower.
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From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com  Mon Jul  6 10:59:12 2020
From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (John Vincent)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:59:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake Fans
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Hats off to whoever is playing in the fake fans effects at recent televised football matches. 

John V

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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jul  6 11:11:19 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:11:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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?You know, Pat, you really ought to keep a list of the stories you?ve already told on this forum! You?ve definitely told the bells one before. But thanks for crediting me with facilitating it. Guildford Cathedral was certainly Barry?s and my recording playground after hours, and St Paul?s for 11 years after that.

And now I might be about to commit the same story re-telling crime!
A mutual friend of yours and mine, and I, were working on a film that had nothing to do with the BBC (surely not? I hear you say). We needed the engine room sound effect of the Tower Bridge lifting machinery (steam if I remember right). It was needed fairly urgently, but we were told it took at least two weeks to apply for, and get permission to do it. And even then, it could only be at a time that wouldn?t disrupt the traffic passing over it.
As luck would have it, there actually was a BBC sound fx disc of it in the Gram Library. So we took it to his Putney riverside flat (Windows open for authentic background atmos), and when the Nagra was running, he idented the ?take? thus:
?Right, so here we are in the engine room at Tower Bridge, and this is the sound of it going up - Take 1.? - - ?OK, mate, take it up!?
I cued the fx disc on Bob?s Hi-Fi, and no-one was ever any the wiser. We didn?t call that much loved production company ?J.... A........?s Filming Holidays? for no reason.

By the way, you probably could record a peal of eight bells today and edit it to leave out a bell etc with modern technology.
Take a look at youtube.com/watch?v=etZu2h67jWs or if that link doesn?t work, search ?Celemony direct note access?. That was 11 years ago. Now it?s gone even further in v5 & v6. Amazingly clever stuff.
Cheers,
Nick.

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On 6 Jul 2020, at 15:07, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

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Yes, creating sound effects where none exist in the BBC library is a bit challenging!
On a Steptoe, I had to engineer a ?water hammer? as Harold had got a load of central heating plumbing and was going to install it in the house. But he got an air leak, leading to the ?hammer?. The only way, I reckoned was to gently tap my home system pipes with a muffled hammer, with the mic aimed at another point of the system.
All going well, except I had omitted to tell my father what I was up to (I lived at home). What the ........! However he was very good about it, and I got him & mum tickets for the actual studio recording, and it provided stories in his local pub, afterwards. Oh! And drilling holes in his garage wall for another play.
Another difficult one was very much facilitated by Nick Ware, whose brother-in-law was Barry Rose, Organist and Choirmaster at Guildford Cathedral. I needed a recording of a peal of eight bells with the third one missing. (A character wakes up on a Sunday, hears the bells not right, and realises that he ain?t there to yank his bell rope).
It being impossible to edit out a single bell, it had to be a special recording, which via Barry, was set up with the Cathedral bellringers one practice night! A separate take of the missing bell was then laid up in sync on the second ??track, which was brought in when the guy eventually makes it to the bell tower.
Best
Pat

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Mon Jul  6 11:17:01 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 17:17:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pets
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Isn't it just that most people use their phone, as a phone, vertically, therefore don't think about turning it horizontally as a camera??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 06/07/2020  13:00  (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Pets I too despair of videos shot in portrait orientation. ?My belief is that it's all down to what you end up doing with it, I'm expressing the same sentiment as Dave, but in a slightly different way.With a 35mm stills camera, you orientate the camera to suit the subject and when you got the pictures back from Boots, you would orientate the prints to properly view what you shot. ?Smartphones and tablets have for the first time given us a display device for moving pictures which we can easily re-orientate. Users have discovered that they no longer need worry about portrait or landscape orientation because they simply turn the display device to suit. ?It's only an issue for that small minority who export their videos to another device, edit the videos and view the final result on a TV screen, which is of course landscape orientation.Alan TaylorOn 6 Jul 2020, at 6 Jul . 12:36, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:The reason so many people shoot stills and moving pictures in portrait mode is because 90% of the time they are shooting for ?selfies? or social messaging apps which are 90% of the time looked at on phones?From:?Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk>?On Behalf Of?patheigham via Tech1Sent:?06 July 2020 12:00To:?Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>;?tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject:?Re: [Tech1] Pets?Yes, I do wonder why folks film something with the phone camera held vertically.They must have been to the cinema, or seen 16:9 TV, so why?Is it because of the button position I wonder (i.e. how the phone is held).?I think we?ve had a discussion about the mathematical concept of The Perfect Rectangle (was it the Greeks?).Could that have a bearing on the normal aspect ratio of the human eyesight? Except that they never had Cinerama in the Coliseum!(OK that was the Romans!).?If you have ever wondered about why sheep?s and goat?s irises are rectangular slots, an explanation was given on a wildlife programme.Apparently the vision via a slotted iris is more acute in the vertical plane, thus when the animal has its head down whilst grazing, it is more aware of predators creeping up on them, as their iris is aligned vertically. Perhaps all the people who film with the phone vertical are just sheep!Pat?Sent from?Mail?for Windows 10?From:?Bernard Newnham via Tech1Sent:?06 July 2020 10:27To:?tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSubject:?Re: [Tech1] Pets?Filmed in fabulous 9:16B?This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.?www.avast.com--?Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul  6 11:50:54 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:50:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pets
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One downside of everybody having a smartphone is that they use it to video everything vaguely interesting.  As a result, at many big event's most of the crowd hold a smart phone in the air filming the action when they would otherwise have been clapping.  You can't applaud if you're holding a camera.  Audience reactions are not as loud as they used to be.

Meanwhile at movie premieres, the tradition was that the big stars would work the line, signing autographs for fans.  A star who had their act together could rattle off an autograph within a fraction of a second and barely interrupt their stride.  These days the fans all want selfies and aren't able to operate their cameras efficiently, so the star strikes the pose, grins and then there is the embarrassing wait until the fan gets their act together and tries to take a picture.  It seems to take ten seconds in some cases. Consequently working the line is now agonisingly slow compared to how it used to be.

About 25 years ago I did some inserts for The Girlie Show, fronted by Sara Cox.  The feature was called "Men Behaving Sadly", although we were instructed never to call it that when with the interviewees.  One guy had many thousands of selfies with him alongside pretty well every celeb you could think of and quite a few that you would prefer not to think of.  He used a 35mm compact camera  fastened onto the end of a walking stick with a cable release in the handle.  He could push his way into contact with a celeb, put his arm around them, swing the contraption into position and take a selfie within milliseconds. He had exactly the same grin on every picture, while the celebs either had their standard grin for the camera, or else a startled look, wondering what the hell this madman was up to.

Alan Taylor



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> I too despair of videos shot in portrait orientation.  My belief is that it's all down to what you end up doing with it, I'm expressing the same sentiment as Dave, but in a slightly different way.
> 
> With a 35mm stills camera, you orientate the camera to suit the subject and when you got the pictures back from Boots, you would orientate the prints to properly view what you shot.  Smartphones and tablets have for the first time given us a display device for moving pictures which we can easily re-orientate. Users have discovered that they no longer need worry about portrait or landscape orientation because they simply turn the display device to suit.  It's only an issue for that small minority who export their videos to another device, edit the videos and view the final result on a TV screen, which is of course landscape orientation.
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> On 6 Jul 2020, at 6 Jul . 12:36, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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>> The reason so many people shoot stills and moving pictures in portrait mode is because 90% of the time they are shooting for ?selfies? or social messaging apps which are 90% of the time looked at on phones
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>> From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of patheigham via Tech1
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>> Yes, I do wonder why folks film something with the phone camera held vertically.
>> They must have been to the cinema, or seen 16:9 TV, so why?
>> Is it because of the button position I wonder (i.e. how the phone is held).
>>  
>> I think we?ve had a discussion about the mathematical concept of The Perfect Rectangle (was it the Greeks?).
>> Could that have a bearing on the normal aspect ratio of the human eyesight? Except that they never had Cinerama in the Coliseum!
>> (OK that was the Romans!).
>>  
>> If you have ever wondered about why sheep?s and goat?s irises are rectangular slots, an explanation was given on a wildlife programme.
>> Apparently the vision via a slotted iris is more acute in the vertical plane, thus when the animal has its head down whilst grazing, it is more aware of predators creeping up on them, as their iris is aligned vertically. Perhaps all the people who film with the phone vertical are just sheep!
>> Pat
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Mon Jul  6 12:11:02 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:11:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Vertical Video
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There is a very funny sketch on YouTube about 'Vertical Video Syndrome'

 

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul  6 12:22:41 2020
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Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 18:22:41 +0100
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And in most cases you can have it without on the red button (although that often means the on pitch bad language is audible as the crowd does not cover it)



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Hats off to whoever is playing in the fake fans effects at recent televised football matches.

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul  6 13:35:28 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 19:35:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fake Fans
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I?ve long been of the opinion that football hooliganism stems from the pitch itself. The brainless idiot fans therefore think that if their heroes behave like that, it?s the way to go.
I?ve never been a fan of soccer, but rugger is another matter.
Working with US Sports Broadcasters, led to an interesting discussion  about the US football teams equipping themselves with heavy shoulder padding and helmets whereas our guys may just have a skull cap or a bit of Elastoplast across their ears.
? Oh, but our guys have to tackle real hard?
? So do our rugger teams?

It was better explained that medical insurance is so expensive in the States, that cover for the teams was pretty prohibitive, hence the attempt to avoid serious injury.

I?ve chortled at the sight of American footballers in their strip, looking like a male lion ? from the front, all big mane and shoulders, but from behind, small bum and skinny legs!
But the cheerleaders are up for grabs?

Pat

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And in most cases you can have it without on the red button (although that often means the on pitch bad language is audible as the crowd does not cover it)



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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul  6 16:33:13 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 22:33:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
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Yes Dave, you were the gram op and you did brilliantly.  I recently wrote that I was totally out of my depth doing my first Sypher dub and got so far behind on the day one that I didn?t think there was any way we would complete it in time, but with masses of encouragement from Jon Amiel the director, a first class effort from you and more than a little luck, we got it all done.

I certainly never imagined you were inexperienced. Your posting just now was the first clue that you were a newbie.

My approach has always been to try and get as much material as possible recorded prior to the dub because if we don?t find what we need in the FX library, there are few further choices, nor much time to do anything about it.  I never got anywhere close to doing a drama without spinning in a single library disk, but I sometimes ended up using remarkably few.

As far as I?m aware, none of my location recordings found their way onto FX disks.  Part of the reason might be the flippant or quirky titles I gave those recordings.  My favourite explosion was given the title ?Grade 1 listed building being inadvertently wrecked by special effects dept?. It was Eastnor Castle and SFX had previously carried out some impressive explosions on the top of a turret.  The next sequence was essentially the same, but in a passageway beneath the turret.  They used an identical explosive charge. I?m no expert in pyrotechnics, but I did know that explosives have more effect in confined spaces.  

When detonated, it blew out a window and lifted the flooring of the first floor.  I recorded it as a twin track recording, one microphone close up and the other being a fairly distant gun mic pointed at the hills to get the reverberation, which is what makes it sound loud.  Judicious mixing from one track to the other gives a sharp detonation with a massive explosion.  The close up mic needed to be whipped out a moment after the detonation and then up again a split second later in order to hear the broken glass and falling masonry, but lose some robust Anglo Saxon vocabulary used by the spark who had been stood on the afore mentioned first floor, adjacent to the afore mentioned former window.

Alan Taylor

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> 
> ?
> I think I was gram op for the dub for this and having seen what would be need was in despair. However when it came to the dub all the wild tracks were there and labelled and perfect for what was needed and so in Sypher 1 I did my first OB drama Dub but I don?t think Alan knew how inexperienced I was.
> It was a lovely drama and has stuck in my mine ever since.
> Dave Wagner
>  
>  
> From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 06 July 2020 16:45
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> There is another variant - Having fun instead of recording sound effects.
>  
> The first drama I did where I had responsibility as a sound supervisor was a play called "Sudden Wrench". The plot revolved around a bored housewife who took a job as a plumber's mate and rose above all the hassles that came with a woman doing a "Man's job".
>  
> Some scenes were shot on a building site and it was arranged to shoot on a Sunday when the site was not working.  Genuine builders came in and doubled as extras, operating or driving machinery in the background. The day was hectic, with an optimistic schedule and it came as no surprise when we didn't keep up with that schedule.  We were so pushed for time that doing wild tracks was simply not possible, but I had been assured by the site project supervisor that if we returned the next day, he would make sure that I got clean recordings of everything I wanted.
>  
> The next afternoon was scheduled to be quite a straightforward shoot with no need for two boom operators. I handed Joe Driver the Nagra together with a comprehensive list of wanted wild tracks.  Joe had been a good friend for many years. He wasn't the sort of person to let anybody down.  Joe loaded up his car, set off for the building site and I didn't expect to see him for a few hours.
>  
> However at that time Joe had a girlfriend who lived nearby and craftily decided to visit her before recording the wild tracks.  Nobody would be any the wiser if he said that it took him all afternoon to make those recordings. Unfortunately, after he had finished having his fun, he arrived at the building site to discover that it was locked up and deserted.  Construction workers like to pack up at four o clock and go home. Joe was devastated and wondered how on earth he might talk his way out of that. By a stroke of good fortune, the project manager had spotted Joe arriving, opened up the site and started up each machine for him to record.  He ended up with much better recordings than we could ever have hoped for.
>  
> Going back to the train theme ....
>  
> The first drama I ever did was "The Bell", where Ian Leiper and myself were each responsible for half of the series.  There was a scene in a carriage on a steam railway which would need a lot of editing, with the associated problems of maintaining continuity of the railway track noises in the background.  I could see that I would need wild tracks covering every type of sound made as the carriage went into and out of tunnels, over points and along smooth sections, with variants for different speeds too.  There was no way I would be given the opportunity to gather all those sounds, so instead I arranged to seal off the adjacent compartment to the one we were filming in and set up microphones in there.  Whenever we recorded a shot, I also ran a timecode Nagra and recorded a simultaneous clean recording of the rail FX which matched what was happening in our compartment.  During the dub, locating the correct spot in all those hours of tape could have been a tedious process.  However the production assistant had been primed to keep a note of the original timecodes from the VT for each shot and it was a simple matter to get the Sypher 1/4"  tape recorder to auto-spool to the correct point whenever we needed to smooth over an edit. By adding exactly the right sound and in sync, we only needed just enough effects to smooth the transition, which helped to keep the dialogue distinct and well separated from the background.
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On 6 Jul 2020, at 6 Jul . 15:07, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>  
> 
> Yes, creating sound effects where none exist in the BBC library is a bit challenging!
> On a Steptoe, I had to engineer a ?water hammer? as Harold had got a load of central heating plumbing and was going to install it in the house. But he got an air leak, leading to the ?hammer?. The only way, I reckoned was to gently tap my home system pipes with a muffled hammer, with the mic aimed at another point of the system.
> All going well, except I had omitted to tell my father what I was up to (I lived at home). What the ........! However he was very good about it, and I got him & mum tickets for the actual studio recording, and it provided stories in his local pub, afterwards. Oh! And drilling holes in his garage wall for another play.
> Another difficult one was very much facilitated by Nick Ware, whose brother-in-law was Barry Rose, Organist and Choirmaster at Guildford Cathedral. I needed a recording of a peal of eight bells with the third one missing. (A character wakes up on a Sunday, hears the bells not right, and realises that he ain?t there to yank his bell rope).
> It being impossible to edit out a single bell, it had to be a special recording, which via Barry, was set up with the Cathedral bellringers one practice night! A separate take of the missing bell was then laid up in sync on the second ??track, which was brought in when the guy eventually makes it to the bell tower.
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 06 July 2020 12:40
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] TV History
>  
> Getting paid to have fun certainly makes up for some of the more tedious times.  
>  
> Alan Taylor
>  
>  
>  
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  7 04:42:16 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:42:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] TV History
References: <67157991.6358006.1594114936917.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67157991.6358006.1594114936917@mail.yahoo.com>

On a completely different aspect of TV History, I wondered if anyone, apart from me, has been reliving their childhood by watching those old adventure series of the 50s and 60s, - Robin Hood, Sir Lancelot, William Tell and Sir Francis Drake - which are now being re-shown on the Talking Pictures channel (09.00 hrs weekdays, and various times over the weekend).
Much of the nostalgic fun comes from spotting the old character actors of the time, particularly those who became more famous for other things.George Woodbridge and Ballard Berkeley (the Major from 'Fawlty Towers') played a wonderful pair of cantankerous old warriors in 'Sir Lancelot', while Frederick Treves played a couple of virtually non-speaking parts.Leslie Phillips and Douglas Wilmer appeared in a recent 'Robin Hood'.Roger Delgado is a masterfully villainous Spanish ambassador in 'Sir Francis Drake'.While, in 'William Tell', Mr. Baines from 'The Onedin Line' played an armourer, and the Captain of the Guard was Peter Hammond - later to become an esteemed drama director.
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  7 05:08:04 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 11:08:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pets
In-Reply-To: <5f030448.1c69fb81.3fdce.1922@mx.google.com>
References: <200e16e3-a717-de07-aa0c-b9b94ac7a8ba@btinternet.com>
	<94dcfcf0-67fe-5b6c-ddb2-7ecc75c9f199@gmail.com>
	<5f030448.1c69fb81.3fdce.1922@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <588c46219fdavesound@btinternet.com>

In article <5f030448.1c69fb81.3fdce.1922 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Yes, I do wonder why folks film something with the phone camera held
> vertically. They must have been to the cinema, or seen 16:9 TV, so why?
> Is it because of the button position I wonder (i.e. how the phone is
> held).

Think so - allows it to be done one handed.

Interesting how many do it the same at Zoom meetings.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jul  7 05:11:32 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 11:11:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Programme play out
In-Reply-To: <5f0312bf.1c69fb81.79976.e1f7@mx.google.com>
References: <5efb8d95.1c69fb81.d355b.8248@mx.google.com>
	<crik8t0ci3a4afdve4rcofdb.1593585660293@pgtmedia.co.uk>
	<5f0312bf.1c69fb81.79976.e1f7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <588c46728fdavesound@btinternet.com>

In article <5f0312bf.1c69fb81.79976.e1f7 at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> You clued me to investigate the audio settings on my Samsung ?Smart? TV.
> There was a sound level setting which purported to match levels,
> regardless of source. Switched it off, and as far as I can tell, it
> sorted my problem. Think it worked by pulling up the level when there
> was no obvious mod. I was viewing on a Samsung 20?, however my sitting
> room has a Sony 32?, but that only used as a monitor off the end of my
> DVD recorders. The audio from those goes into my hi-fi rig ? Quad amps
> and BNS speakers, didn?t check that route. Will look at Deed on Tuesday,
> as that was the programme on which it was most noticeable.

I'd hope the line out from a TV free from any of the trickery they get up
to (or allow) for the internal speakers?

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  7 12:22:36 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 18:22:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>

I have been contacted via Facebook by Adrienne Peverall, wife of Ron. He
will be 90 this month and they live in Cornwall. She thought we might be
interested in this photo of Ron. Ron can't remember which show but thought
it was at Lime Grove. If so I reckon it was probably TOTP in G.
Any ideas?
Bill J
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Tue Jul  7 15:26:30 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2020 20:26:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecZ94TbcA_4hxCze5nAgWGM_ZDezVyts-ugnnpObyAWGmAwOMqabG8Kiil2jtQm3FnWS039ArAoIKRRngAkWtTqHnEM2fm3D-1D43puQ8dw=@protonmail.com>

Worked on Ron's crew for a few years, especially on Blankety Blank and Gen Game. I think the attached are in TVT, so almost certainly Gen Game. We did the first series of Blankety Blank, and used to record two shows one after the other. Having recorded the first two, the following week Marcus Plantin met us st the beginning of rehearsals to tell us to 'slow down' because we were too slick, making the show look rehearsed. Ron & I were doing the celeb CUs, and of course, with one celeb framed up, we were looking round the camera to see if one of the others was more likely to chip in. VM Bill Morton was used to fluid situations such as this, and sat in the gallery with his pipe clenched firmly between his teeth, and cut to each and every shot the moment it was correctly framed and static. A tribute to the professionalism displayed by the whole of Tech Ops and terribly difficult to 'slow down', akin to the working to rule shooting of several years previously. I have some photos from the programme, if I can find them, but that could take...............add your own timescale!

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 04:33:47 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 10:33:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
Message-ID: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>

Hi All

I limited the maximum size of emails to 10Mb so that those who have slow 
connections aren't inconvenienced by long downloads.? As an experiment 
I've just let through one from Tony Grant that's 17Mb. It contains a 
couple of .bmp files with pictures of Ron Peveral.?? To Tony and anyone 
else - please don't send .bmp files, use .jpg instead!

Email size isn't a problem to me because I have a very fast connection, 
but I'd like some feedback from anyone with slow connections. I can turn 
off the limit, or make it larger or smaller.

B
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Jul  8 05:31:29 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 11:31:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
In-Reply-To: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
References: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4c2b82d-59ef-7f1c-f400-3703a1c65fb7@chriswoolf.co.uk>

10Mb is a good compromise.

I suffer a slow broadband speed - long copper pair that can't be turned 
into fibre - and several fat emails can be a pain. Also, anything 
through email much larger than 10Mb seems at high risk of getting 
blocked or corrupted.

Chris Woolf


On 08/07/2020 10:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I limited the maximum size of emails to 10Mb so that those who have 
> slow connections aren't inconvenienced by long downloads. As an 
> experiment I've just let through one from Tony Grant that's 17Mb. It 
> contains a couple of .bmp files with pictures of Ron Peveral.?? To 
> Tony and anyone else - please don't send .bmp files, use .jpg instead!
>
> Email size isn't a problem to me because I have a very fast 
> connection, but I'd like some feedback from anyone with slow 
> connections. I can turn off the limit, or make it larger or smaller.
>
> B
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Wed Jul  8 05:37:13 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (paul at pgtmedia.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 11:37:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
In-Reply-To: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
References: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d65513$be70c750$3b5255f0$@pgtmedia.co.uk>

Bernard,

While I do not have a download problem (Just measured (Not claimed) at 201MBS) My Email provider limits email attachments to 10MBS. As a result I would never receive anything bigger than 10MBS, so could never down load them (or know it existed)

 

For anything above about 8MBS, really should be left in a G-Drive , Dropbox or similar and send a link?

Paul

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 08 July 2020 10:34
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Email size

 

Hi All

I limited the maximum size of emails to 10Mb so that those who have slow connections aren't inconvenienced by long downloads.  As an experiment I've just let through one from Tony Grant that's 17Mb. It contains a couple of .bmp files with pictures of Ron Peveral.   To Tony and anyone else - please don't send .bmp files, use .jpg instead!

Email size isn't a problem to me because I have a very fast connection, but I'd like some feedback from anyone with slow connections. I can turn off the limit, or make it larger or smaller.

B

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jul  8 06:31:15 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 11:31:15 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tascam and Behringer for re-homing
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03516DBE56C1211331090BC0A7670@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

If I?m allowed to do a spot of blatant advertising here....!?
Now that I don?t do church sound systems anymore, I have two items that I?d like to find a home for - fair bargain prices!
Firstly, a Behringer Xenyx Q1204USB mixer. Bought for a church band, but they decided they needed more mic channels, which left me lumbered with this one. Unused in original packaging etc. Cost me ?125.99 on 16/03/2019. Might suit church or school vocal group etc.  See: https://tinyurl.com/yb4wglko
And a Tascam CD-RW900SL CD player/recorder. I installed a number of these in church and village hall sound systems and this is the one I kept as a hot spare. Never needed as such, so light home use only. Around ?400 new. Would accept ?140 plus delivery cost for this. Looks and works as new, with manual and remote.
I need the shelf space more than the money, so feel free to make realistic offers!
07802 246088 or nick at njware.co.uk
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Jul  8 07:49:06 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2020 13:49:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
In-Reply-To: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
References: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <588cd8b5e1davesound@btinternet.com>

In article <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi All

> I limited the maximum size of emails to 10Mb so that those who have slow 
> connections aren't inconvenienced by long downloads.  As an experiment 
> I've just let through one from Tony Grant that's 17Mb. It contains a 
> couple of .bmp files with pictures of Ron Peveral.   To Tony and anyone 
> else - please don't send .bmp files, use .jpg instead!

> Email size isn't a problem to me because I have a very fast connection, 
> but I'd like some feedback from anyone with slow connections. I can turn 
> off the limit, or make it larger or smaller.

I'm rather surprised that so many seem to scan things at maximum
resolution. Making for much larger files than needed for looking at on a
computer.

My system warns me of large emails. I saw the Tony Grant one and simply
deleted it unread.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed Jul  8 08:21:50 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 14:21:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ED9B66105C4F453@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>
	(added by postmaster@btinternet.com)

I too was on Ron?s Crew 3, at first when he was Ed Stuart?s no.2, then he took over as senior when Ed went to Production.  This was in 1964-67, so before Blankety Blank and Generation Game days.

Please pass on my regards to Ron and wish him a very happy birthday from me. 
By the way, where in Cornwall?  I?ve lived in Saltash for nearly 40 years.

Best wishes to all  .....  Vernon Dyer



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: 07 July 2020 18:23
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall

I have been contacted via Facebook by Adrienne Peverall, wife of Ron. He will be 90 this month and they live in Cornwall. She thought we might be interested in this photo of Ron. Ron can't remember which show but thought it was at Lime Grove. If so I reckon it was probably TOTP in G.
Any ideas? And wish him
Bill J

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jul  8 08:29:48 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 13:29:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Tascam and Behringer for re-homing
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB03516DBE56C1211331090BC0A7670@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB03516DBE56C1211331090BC0A7670@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035162BE2C9DA244933F3905A7670@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Quick update: the mixer has gone, but the CD machine is still available.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 8 Jul 2020, at 12:31, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?If I?m allowed to do a spot of blatant advertising here....!?
> Now that I don?t do church sound systems anymore, I have two items that I?d like to find a home for - fair bargain prices!
> Firstly, a Behringer Xenyx Q1204USB mixer. Bought for a church band, but they decided they needed more mic channels, which left me lumbered with this one. Unused in original packaging etc. Cost me ?125.99 on 16/03/2019. Might suit church or school vocal group etc.  See: https://tinyurl.com/yb4wglko
> And a Tascam CD-RW900SL CD player/recorder. I installed a number of these in church and village hall sound systems and this is the one I kept as a hot spare. Never needed as such, so light home use only. Around ?400 new. Would accept ?140 plus delivery cost for this. Looks and works as new, with manual and remote.
> I need the shelf space more than the money, so feel free to make realistic offers!
> 07802 246088 or nick at njware.co.uk
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 08:34:08 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 14:34:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
In-Reply-To: <5f05c859.1c69fb81.7fd1e.5756SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
References: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f05c859.1c69fb81.7fd1e.5756SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAE6tP4A6-aOY2LTgNjrHfyO__R1KaeiRHfDpHmVf7p-jViLaEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys, I'll wait until you have stopped replying to this thread and then
send a compilation to Adrienne.
Bill

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, 14:21 Vernon Dyer, <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com> wrote:

> I too was on Ron?s Crew 3, at first when he was Ed Stuart?s no.2, then he
> took over as senior when Ed went to Production.  This was in 1964-67, so
> before Blankety Blank and Generation Game days.
>
>
>
> Please pass on my regards to Ron and wish him a very happy birthday from
> me.
>
> By the way, where in Cornwall?  I?ve lived in Saltash for nearly 40 years.
>
>
>
> Best wishes to all  .....  Vernon Dyer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *07 July 2020 18:23
> *To: *Tech-Ops. co. uk email group <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Ron Peverall
>
>
>
> I have been contacted via Facebook by Adrienne Peverall, wife of Ron. He
> will be 90 this month and they live in Cornwall. She thought we might be
> interested in this photo of Ron. Ron can't remember which show but thought
> it was at Lime Grove. If so I reckon it was probably TOTP in G.
>
> Any ideas? And wish him
>
> Bill J
>
>
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 09:09:39 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:09:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
In-Reply-To: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
References: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1e23085-34e9-e8c8-3ef6-29a916ce9b70@gmail.com>

Hi,

Mozilla Thunderbird makes it very easy to link large attachments rather 
than embed them.

This has been set to ask me whether to link if any attachment is greater 
than 1 Mb, although usually I let anything up to 5 Mb get through normally.

You can have a choice of link providers - I happen to use WeTransfer for 
other transfers so for me it was a natural choice.

The above screen grab was reduced by 50% before including it in this 
email.? Of course, there has to be a compromise between size and 
legibility (or detail for photos)


-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 10:06:16 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:06:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
In-Reply-To: <588cd8b5e1davesound@btinternet.com>
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On 08/07/2020 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> My system warns me of large emails. I saw the Tony Grant one and simply
> deleted it unread.


Ok - here are Tony's pictures. As BMPs they were around 6Mb each, now 
around 200KB each

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 10:08:42 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:08:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
In-Reply-To: <588cd8b5e1davesound@btinternet.com>
References: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
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On 08/07/2020 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> My system warns me of large emails. I saw the Tony Grant one and simply
> deleted it unread.

Ok - here are Tony's pictures. As BMPs they were around 6Mb each, now as 
JPGs around 200k each

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jul  8 11:37:22 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:37:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Email size
In-Reply-To: <343f2b6d-ba4f-3d7b-c6a9-a42791c3b749@gmail.com>
References: <50092229-c616-3e2d-aed7-3ae7b4ad82f8@gmail.com>
	<588cd8b5e1davesound@btinternet.com>,
	<343f2b6d-ba4f-3d7b-c6a9-a42791c3b749@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351392698CC80D06C90D915A7670@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Stating the obvious no doubt, but it?s worth bearing in mind that where possible it?s a good idea to preserve potential archive material as faithfully as you can. When pix, video and audio files are edited, cropped, and/or compressed for sharing, it?s easy to lose track of where the uncompressed originals are. Then, the compressed version gets used and becomes the norm. Once compressed, you can?t get the data back. You only have to look and listen to much of the stuff people post on YouTube to see how bad that can get.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 Jul 2020, at 16:09, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

On 08/07/2020 13:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

My system warns me of large emails. I saw the Tony Grant one and simply
deleted it unread.


Ok - here are Tony's pictures. As BMPs they were around 6Mb each, now as JPGs around 200k each

B
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From robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net  Wed Jul  8 14:05:09 2020
From: robin.sutherland at ukgateway.net (Robin Sutherland)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:05:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
In-Reply-To: <CAE6tP4A6-aOY2LTgNjrHfyO__R1KaeiRHfDpHmVf7p-jViLaEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f05c859.1c69fb81.7fd1e.5756SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
	<CAE6tP4A6-aOY2LTgNjrHfyO__R1KaeiRHfDpHmVf7p-jViLaEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <946B6E74-42D8-4E8D-8F2D-1D5997582F91@ukgateway.net>

Hi Bill

I would also be grateful if you could pass on my very best wishes to Ron on his 90th birthday. He was my very first senior cameraman at TC when I arrived in August 1966 fresh from Evesham. I joined Crew 3 as a trainee and still have many great memories of my earliest days doing TOTP in G, B&W Minstrels etc.

Vernon Dyer was on it then, DO1 Vern?

I remember thinking at the time that he was rather hard on me, but looking back he was spot on, and I benefited greatly from his constructive comments! 

There is still a great Crew 3 photo on the Tech Ops website, taken after one TOTP by Harry Goodwin.

Ron came out on several attachments to OBs, and I last saw him when we were doing the bike coverage of The Milk Race in 1990. It started in Penzance and Chris Wickham, Nick Jordan and I [who had all been on his crew at various times] rang him and we spent a very jolly evening at his house. 

Happy Birthday Ron!

Cheers

Robin Sutherland

 



> On 8 Jul 2020, at 14:34, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi Guys, I'll wait until you have stopped replying to this thread and then send a compilation to Adrienne.
> Bill
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, 14:21 Vernon Dyer, <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com <mailto:vernon.dyer at btinternet.com>> wrote:
> I too was on Ron?s Crew 3, at first when he was Ed Stuart?s no.2, then he took over as senior when Ed went to Production.  This was in 1964-67, so before Blankety Blank and Generation Game days.
> 
>  
> 
> Please pass on my regards to Ron and wish him a very happy birthday from me.
> 
> By the way, where in Cornwall?  I?ve lived in Saltash for nearly 40 years.
> 
>  
> 
> Best wishes to all  .....  Vernon Dyer
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
>  
> 
> From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Sent: 07 July 2020 18:23
> To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
> 
>  
> 
> I have been contacted via Facebook by Adrienne Peverall, wife of Ron. He will be 90 this month and they live in Cornwall. She thought we might be interested in this photo of Ron. Ron can't remember which show but thought it was at Lime Grove. If so I reckon it was probably TOTP in G.
> 
> Any ideas? And wish him
> 
> Bill J
> 
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed Jul  8 14:43:29 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:43:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
In-Reply-To: <946B6E74-42D8-4E8D-8F2D-1D5997582F91@ukgateway.net>
References: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<5f05c859.1c69fb81.7fd1e.5756SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
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	(added by postmaster@btinternet.com)


?Vernon Dyer was on it then, DO1 Vern??    Yep!  I regularly swung both Ed and Ron on the Mole.


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Robin Sutherland via Tech1
Sent: 08 July 2020 20:05
To: Bill Jenkin
Cc: TechOps Forum
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ron Peverall

Hi Bill

I would also be grateful if you could pass on my very best wishes to Ron on his 90th birthday. He was my very first senior cameraman at TC when I arrived in August 1966 fresh from Evesham. I joined Crew 3 as a trainee and still have many great memories of my earliest days doing TOTP in G, B&W Minstrels etc.

Vernon Dyer was on it then, DO1 Vern?

I remember thinking at the time that he was rather hard on me, but looking back he was spot on, and I benefited greatly from his constructive comments!?

There is still a great Crew 3 photo on the Tech Ops website, taken after one TOTP by Harry Goodwin.

Ron came out on several attachments to OBs, and I last saw him when we were doing the bike coverage of The Milk Race in 1990. It started in Penzance and Chris Wickham, Nick Jordan and I [who had all been on his crew at various times] rang him and we spent a very jolly evening at his house.?

Happy Birthday Ron!

Cheers

Robin Sutherland

?




On 8 Jul 2020, at 14:34, Bill Jenkin via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Guys, I'll wait until you have stopped replying to this thread and then send a compilation to Adrienne.
Bill

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020, 14:21 Vernon Dyer, <vernon.dyer at btinternet.com> wrote:
I too was on Ron?s Crew 3, at first when he was Ed Stuart?s no.2, then he took over as senior when Ed went to Production.? This was in 1964-67, so before Blankety Blank and Generation Game days.
?
Please pass on my regards to Ron and wish him a very happy birthday from me. 
By the way, where in Cornwall?? I?ve lived in Saltash for nearly 40 years.
?
Best wishes to all? .....? Vernon Dyer
?
?
?
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
?
From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: 07 July 2020 18:23
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
?
I have been contacted via Facebook by Adrienne Peverall, wife of Ron. He will be 90 this month and they live in Cornwall. She thought we might be interested in this photo of Ron. Ron can't remember which show but thought it was at Lime Grove. If so I reckon it was probably TOTP in G.
Any ideas? And wish him
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 05:22:49 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:22:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Broadband speed
Message-ID: <22efbf33-6185-4eb6-7f61-911ac8e68eef@gmail.com>

I don't know if this is any use, and those with slow broadband might be 
much more familiar with this than I am.

I was at a friends house just outside Woking, where he is at the end of 
a piece of damp string and gets around 2Mb/sec.? I did some tests, and 
it turns out that my 4G phone, used as a hotspot, got 19Mb/sec.

Checking my phone account, within my ?9 per month plan, I get 4Gb data, 
and this month used 54.76 MB. They roll over, so I have around 8Gb that 
I'll hardly use. I suggested to my friend that he get a proper phone, or 
one of those access points, but he is king of the prevaricators so 
probably won't.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jul  9 05:38:17 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:38:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Broadband speed
In-Reply-To: <22efbf33-6185-4eb6-7f61-911ac8e68eef@gmail.com>
References: <22efbf33-6185-4eb6-7f61-911ac8e68eef@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <051ABD3A-3C02-4939-AB9E-85D95E032C15@me.com>

When we were living in a rented property between house moves, I was having a lot of trouble with the Virgin broadband, but wasn't willing to sign a 12 month contract with somebody else, so I ended up using a cellular phone data plan instead.  It cost a lot more per month in those days than it would now, but still worked out cheaper than the alternatives over that timescale.

I used an old iPhone plugged into a mains adaptor which became a personal hotspot and even though it was only 3G in those days, it worked well.

When we stay in holiday cottages or hotels with poor WiFi, we often do the same thing, propping up the iPhone in the window and accessing the personal hotspot on our iPads.  It depends totally on the cellular signal.  Sometimes it's great, while other times it's almost non-existant.

If using a dedicated phone, GiffGaff offer flexible deals and you can change it month to month to suit your expected usage, or simply stop whenever you want.  When we go on holiday, we bump up the monthly deal in advance and revert to a lower data allowance once we return home.

Alan Taylor



On 9 Jul 2020, at 9 Jul . 11:22, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't know if this is any use, and those with slow broadband might be much more familiar with this than I am.
> 
> I was at a friends house just outside Woking, where he is at the end of a piece of damp string and gets around 2Mb/sec.  I did some tests, and it turns out that my 4G phone, used as a hotspot, got 19Mb/sec. 
> 
> Checking my phone account, within my ?9 per month plan, I get 4Gb data, and this month used 54.76 MB. They roll over, so I have around 8Gb that I'll hardly use. I suggested to my friend that he get a proper phone, or one of those access points, but he is king of the prevaricators so probably won't. 
> 
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Jul  9 09:03:57 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:03:57 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Mask-erade
Message-ID: <ghvjOYNbpIXFkb7wUTJQI6n09GNi5aGJ5UvasB0eMVxwKHCi9wH3i-SjJT5DG6n-1TMpX3jyP-UnNr9ZVmiSu4ITXfPET8BAt2unaE0y7Pg=@protonmail.com>

This was sent to me by one of my U3A chums, but I haven't been able to find a supplier.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Thu Jul  9 09:24:17 2020
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:24:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mask-erade
In-Reply-To: <ghvjOYNbpIXFkb7wUTJQI6n09GNi5aGJ5UvasB0eMVxwKHCi9wH3i-SjJT5DG6n-1TMpX3jyP-UnNr9ZVmiSu4ITXfPET8BAt2unaE0y7Pg=@protonmail.com>
References: <ghvjOYNbpIXFkb7wUTJQI6n09GNi5aGJ5UvasB0eMVxwKHCi9wH3i-SjJT5DG6n-1TMpX3jyP-UnNr9ZVmiSu4ITXfPET8BAt2unaE0y7Pg=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <335A0B93-6E32-4344-8F1C-172FC95AAA2B@icloud.com>

I can organise these Tony (& others)

They are ?11.99 each from a cameraman called Tom Sykes

Or DIY via www.tskes.co <http://www.tskes.co/>.uk/masks



> On 9 Jul 2020, at 15:03, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This was sent to me by one of my U3A chums, but I haven't been able to find a supplier.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> 
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Thu Jul  9 09:55:41 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:55:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mask-erade
In-Reply-To: <335A0B93-6E32-4344-8F1C-172FC95AAA2B@icloud.com>
References: <ghvjOYNbpIXFkb7wUTJQI6n09GNi5aGJ5UvasB0eMVxwKHCi9wH3i-SjJT5DG6n-1TMpX3jyP-UnNr9ZVmiSu4ITXfPET8BAt2unaE0y7Pg=@protonmail.com>
	<335A0B93-6E32-4344-8F1C-172FC95AAA2B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <02C15027F21142AAB243B675E8FBE535@Gigabyte>

The correct URL for Tom is www.tsykes.co.uk

Incidentally why do so many inserted pictures come out upside down like this one and how does one correct that in the e-mail view without downloading and correcting?

Mike

From: Graham Maunder via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: techtone 
Cc: Tech-Ops-chit-chat 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mask-erade

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From davidpcarter at btinternet.com  Thu Jul  9 11:56:22 2020
From: davidpcarter at btinternet.com (davidpcarter at btinternet.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 17:56:22 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] Mask-erade
In-Reply-To: <335A0B93-6E32-4344-8F1C-172FC95AAA2B@icloud.com>
References: <ghvjOYNbpIXFkb7wUTJQI6n09GNi5aGJ5UvasB0eMVxwKHCi9wH3i-SjJT5DG6n-1TMpX3jyP-UnNr9ZVmiSu4ITXfPET8BAt2unaE0y7Pg=@protonmail.com>
	<335A0B93-6E32-4344-8F1C-172FC95AAA2B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <2cc20afe.1345.1733481b6df.Webtop.219@btinternet.com>


The link doesn't work Graham. Finger trouble?  It should have a 'y' in 
sykes. ? Might well put in an order

David

------ Original Message ------
From: "Graham Maunder via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
To: "techtone" <techtone at protonmail.com>
Cc: "Tech-Ops-chit-chat" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: Thursday, 9 Jul, 2020 At 15:24
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Mask-erade
I can organise these Tony (& others)

They are ?11.99 each from a cameraman called Tom Sykes


Or DIY via www.tskes.co <http://www.tskes.co> .uk/masks




On 9 Jul 2020, at 15:03, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

This was sent to me by one of my U3A chums, but I haven't been able to 
find a supplier.


TeaTeaFN - Tony




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From paulvictork at uwclub.net  Thu Jul  9 14:13:59 2020
From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net)
Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:13:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
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Pleae pass on my personal regards to Ron I hope to be more in touch soon but am having o bit ot tech trouble at the moment
Best wishes to all.Paul K?


On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 14:21:50 +0100, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:





I too was on Ron?s Crew 3, at first when he was Ed Stuart?s no.2, then he took over as senior when Ed went to Production.? This was in 1964-67, so before Blankety Blank and Generation Game days.

?

Please pass on my regards to Ron and wish him a very happy birthday from me.

By the way, where in Cornwall?? I?ve lived in Saltash for nearly 40 years.

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Best wishes to all? .....? Vernon Dyer

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Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: 07 July 2020 18:23
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall


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I have been contacted via Facebook by Adrienne Peverall, wife of Ron. He will be 90 this month and they live in Cornwall. She thought we might be interested in this photo of Ron. Ron can't remember which show but thought it was at Lime Grove. If so I reckon it was probably TOTP in G.


Any ideas? And wish him



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jul  9 17:22:16 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 23:22:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
In-Reply-To: <1594322039.i9ord0m9cos8s4sw@webmail.uwclub.net>
References: <CAE6tP4BOBF2fsFnVKoLcu7GMOsxWvrybcu71H33qgR2=+ivbGA@mail.gmail.com><5ED9B66105C4F453@sa-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net>
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Vernon was wondering about just where it is in Cornwall that Ron lives. I managed to narrow it down via a spot of Google sleuthing to the Western seaboard of Penwith Moors (i.e. the Lands End peninsular), probably close to St Ives Bay. Stand to be corrected of course but seemed likely from what I saw on line though I didn?t note where I found the info.

I was on the crew with Ed, Ron et al for quite some time and like all of you thought Ron was a great guy. Hard to guess whether he will recall all of us by name but I would appreciate my greetings being added to the growing list of well-wishers.

Dave Newbitt.

From: paulvictork--- via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 8:13 PM
To: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com ; billjenkin67 at gmail.com ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ron Peverall

Pleae pass on my personal regards to Ron I hope to be more in touch soon but am having o bit ot tech trouble at the moment
Best wishes to all.Paul K  

On Wed, 8 Jul 2020 14:21:50 +0100, Vernon Dyer via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


I too was on Ron?s Crew 3, at first when he was Ed Stuart?s no.2, then he took over as senior when Ed went to Production.  This was in 1964-67, so before Blankety Blank and Generation Game days.

 

Please pass on my regards to Ron and wish him a very happy birthday from me.

By the way, where in Cornwall?  I?ve lived in Saltash for nearly 40 years.

 

Best wishes to all  .....  Vernon Dyer

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bill Jenkin via Tech1
Sent: 07 July 2020 18:23
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall

 

I have been contacted via Facebook by Adrienne Peverall, wife of Ron. He will be 90 this month and they live in Cornwall. She thought we might be interested in this photo of Ron. Ron can't remember which show but thought it was at Lime Grove. If so I reckon it was probably TOTP in G.

Any ideas? And wish him

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jul  9 18:05:35 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:05:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mother
Message-ID: <F0A3DE52C0CD4CF09905B6BF7AE73FDD@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

When the thread re ?Our World? was running in the middle of June we all of course recognised ?Mother? in the photo David Taylor posted looking for ID?s. Not the best picture of Mother of course and now, quite coincidentally, I have come across a rather better image dated 30th Oct 1974 in a shot marking the start of David Dimbleby?s spell as Panorama anchor man. Copyright to the hilt of course but hopefully in this context not too contentious.

Joan is not credited by name in the photo information so Googling her is unlikely to turn up the image. I was ferreting about for something else and just happened across it.

I?ve cloned off the watermark which ran across Mother?s hair and forehead but left all the others as they don?t detract from her. I thought members might like to see it as it captures her to a tee.



Happy days,

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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 02:33:49 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 08:33:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
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Hi Guys

I have forwarded all the responses about Ron to Adrienne and will send any more as they come in.  
Apparently Ron is still bright as a button but his eyesight isn?t so good which is why Adrienne is driving the keyboard.

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 10 05:52:26 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 11:52:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
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Thanks for that, David ? a lovely part of the country to retire to.  I?m the other end of Cornwall and retired myself now, although I didn?t move here for retirement in the first instance, but appear to have stuck!

Best wishes  .....  Vern

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: David Newbitt
Sent: 09 July 2020 23:22
To: paulvictork at uwclub.net; vernon.dyer at btinternet.com; billjenkin67 at gmail.com; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Ron Peverall

Vernon was wondering about just where it is in Cornwall that Ron lives. I managed to narrow it down via a spot of Google sleuthing to the Western seaboard of Penwith Moors (i.e. the Lands End peninsular), probably close to St Ives Bay. Stand to be corrected of course but seemed likely from what I saw on line though I didn?t note where I found the info.
?
I was on the crew with Ed, Ron et al for quite some time and like all of you thought Ron was a great guy. Hard to guess whether he will recall all of us by name but I would appreciate my greetings being added to the growing list of well-wishers.
?
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From billjenkin67 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 06:09:31 2020
From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 12:09:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Ron Peverall
Message-ID: <001b01d656aa$9716ef20$c544cd60$@gmail.com>

 

 

From: peveralla685 [mailto:peveralla685 at yahoo.co.uk] 
Sent: 10 July 2020 11:54
To: Bill Jenkin
Subject: Re: Fwd: [Tech1] Ron Peverall

 

Hi Bill  Ron is amazed at how many people remember him, and thanks everyone for their good wishes!  It's really great to hear from old colleagues and hear their memories of the shows, and yes Robin (Ron speaking now),  I remember your visit here in 1990 when you were doing the Milk Race with OBs.! Sadly, Chris Wickham died last December.   I hope to reply to everyone, but thanks for forwarding all the birthday wishes Bill, and I will be in touch with Pat Heigham 're the DVD.  Have to go hang out the washing now! , and yes, we are at the end of Cornwall, 6 miles north of Penzance! 

 

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Fri Jul 10 08:28:14 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:28:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Useful gadget for silencing a studio
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>From todays Guardian - Something to use if you are trying to do a drama inside in a noisy neighbourhood?

Mike
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jul 10 08:30:31 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:30:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Useful gadget for silencing a studio
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Ah, the Fenton Silencer! ? Arthur C Clarke.
? 
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> On 10 Jul 2020, at 14:28, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> From todays Guardian - Something to use if you are trying to do a drama inside in a noisy neighbourhood?
>  
> Mike
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jul 10 13:34:36 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:34:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old cars
Message-ID: <A77F5354-FE9C-4C30-AEB4-02119292FB11@icloud.com>

Any vintage car expert know what this is?

Photographed in Boston a few years back

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Fri Jul 10 13:53:34 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 19:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old cars
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I?m no expert but it looks like a Stanley Steamer, perhaps 1910 or thereabouts?

Dave Newbitt.

From: Graeme Wall via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 7:34 PM
To: Tech ops 
Subject: [Tech1] Old cars

Any vintage car expert know what this is? 

Photographed in Boston a few years back

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 15:18:44 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:18:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old cars
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A reverse image search gives this - as the man says, a Stanley Steamer



On 10/07/2020 19:53, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
> I?m no expert but it looks like a Stanley Steamer, perhaps 1910 or 
> thereabouts?
> Dave Newbitt.
> *From:* Graeme Wall via Tech1
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 7:34 PM
> *To:* Tech ops
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Old cars
> Any vintage car expert know what this is?
> Photographed in Boston a few years back
> ?
> Graeme Wall
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Jul 10 15:42:00 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 21:42:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old cars
In-Reply-To: <588bd478-b46b-7564-2353-4b9d60154e7b@ntlworld.com>
References: <A77F5354-FE9C-4C30-AEB4-02119292FB11@icloud.com>
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Many thanks everybody

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> On 10 Jul 2020, at 21:18, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> A reverse image search gives this - as the man says, a Stanley Steamer
> 
> <emoncjdlakfeolna.png>
> 
> On 10/07/2020 19:53, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote:
>> I?m no expert but it looks like a Stanley Steamer, perhaps 1910 or thereabouts?
>>  
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>  
>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 7:34 PM
>> To: Tech ops
>> Subject: [Tech1] Old cars
>>  
>> Any vintage car expert know what this is?
>>  
>> Photographed in Boston a few years back
>>  
>> ? 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> <Vintage car.jpg>
>> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 12 03:56:45 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:56:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] TV Centre shoot-'em-up
References: <206078123.481895.1594544205754.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <206078123.481895.1594544205754@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,
This weird thing has just appeared on Facebook. My main complaint is that the protagonist is holding a Kalashnikov, not an Ikegami. Blasting his way into Allocations is quite fun, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Ut_AQr5OA

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A quick tour round Television Centre (c. 1994) with an AK47


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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 12 06:13:02 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 11:13:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Information
References: <1063278891.544377.1594552382533.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1063278891.544377.1594552382533@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi again all,
Toby Hadoke is looking for any biographic information, or stories, people may have concerning Vision Mixer, Jim Stephens (who I remember, but know nothing about) and someone called Norman Taylor (job title not specified).
luv, Rog.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 09:54:30 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:54:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Information
In-Reply-To: <1063278891.544377.1594552382533@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1063278891.544377.1594552382533.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <437df6d2-4cdc-e54c-9241-89abfb2bb1a4@gmail.com>

Norman Taylor was head of engineering I think -

This for Toby -
http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/2010/11/norman-taylors-story-of-dr-who/

B


On 12/07/2020 12:13, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi again all,
>
> Toby Hadoke is looking for any biographic information, or stories, 
> people may have concerning Vision Mixer, Jim Stephens (who I remember, 
> but know nothing about) and someone called Norman Taylor (job title 
> not specified).
>
> luv, Rog.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jul 12 10:59:38 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 16:59:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] PATRICK has shared content with you from MSN
Message-ID: <5f0b3369.1c69fb81.d7015.b270@mx.google.com>

This may be of interest to the troops:

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB16DbbF?m=en-gb&ocid=News

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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Sun Jul 12 12:41:38 2020
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:41:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Information
In-Reply-To: <1063278891.544377.1594552382533@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1063278891.544377.1594552382533.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1063278891.544377.1594552382533@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAKrdDqv9MSz+jKC252oHmRuh+Ox3MbaqdyaRQLfY6ZtX-yP2Bw@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,
Here is Norman Taylor's own 'CV', courtesy Simon Vaughan of APTS who is the
holder of a large quantity of Norman Taylor's papers that were
bequeathed by Norman's wife Monique.
Simon doesn't have too much time available for sorting through these but
has been extremely helpful to me over the 1967 Our World programmes
technical details that I am researching.
Simon's  email contact is apts at apts.co.uk.

David



On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 12:13, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Hi again all,
>
> Toby Hadoke is looking for any biographic information, or stories, people
> may have concerning Vision Mixer, Jim Stephens (who I remember, but know
> nothing about) and someone called Norman Taylor (job title not specified).
>
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From simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 14:24:08 2020
From: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com (Simon Vaughan)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 20:24:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Information
In-Reply-To: <CAKrdDqv9MSz+jKC252oHmRuh+Ox3MbaqdyaRQLfY6ZtX-yP2Bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1063278891.544377.1594552382533.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1063278891.544377.1594552382533@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thank you sending Norman?s CV David.

I was about to do the same thing when your email came through.  Great minds think alike!

Cheers

Simon


Simon Vaughan

=========================
Tel:    01332 729358
Mob:  07791 780882
Email: simonvaughan.apts at gmail.com
=========================

> On 12 Jul 2020, at 18:41, David Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> Here is Norman Taylor's own 'CV', courtesy Simon Vaughan of APTS who is the holder of a large quantity of Norman Taylor's papers that were bequeathed by Norman's wife Monique.
> Simon doesn't have too much time available for sorting through these but has been extremely helpful to me over the 1967 Our World programmes technical details that I am researching.
> Simon's  email contact is apts at apts.co.uk <mailto:apts at apts.co.uk>.
> 
> David
>  
>   
> 
> On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 at 12:13, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Hi again all,
> 
> Toby Hadoke is looking for any biographic information, or stories, people may have concerning Vision Mixer, Jim Stephens (who I remember, but know nothing about) and someone called Norman Taylor (job title not specified).
> 
> luv, Rog.
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 04:04:30 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 10:04:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND, from RTS website
Message-ID: <003001d659bd$c9118d30$5b34a790$@gmail.com>

https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/its-all-about-the-sound-tickets-110969695346?
utm-medium=discovery
<https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/its-all-about-the-sound-tickets-110969695346
?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-sour
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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Tue Jul 14 05:46:50 2020
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:46:50 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND,
 from RTS website
In-Reply-To: <003001d659bd$c9118d30$5b34a790$@gmail.com>
References: <003001d659bd$c9118d30$5b34a790$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKrdDqtU+5tuqvvBVRJkebL=idn4UHZ8Xinmbg1q9=be=kt+cw@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,
I'm sure I'm not the only sound guy waiting to hear what Mike has to say.
He was a real idol way back at the beginning of the 70's when the new sound
department at London Weekend TV was trying hard to create exciting sounding
audience shows, mainly sit-coms that were then a large part of our
'weekend' output. Mike produced the most exciting, upfront audience sound
but still managed to get the dialogue through. We realised that the
creative use of both audio compression and the fast control of that all
important audience fader was the only way to give us the sound we required.
The best user of this technique in our own group of Sound Supervisors was
Vic Finch who had been bold enough to propel himself forward into the
Supervisor chair at a young age.
Mike McCarthy continued making the best comedy audience show sound for
years to come of course.What an amazing list of shows there are in his CV.

The promotion of the Eventbrite/RTS events, like the previous 60 Years of
TVC are a little confusing I think. They are in fact the 'premier' of a
YouTube video that's unveiled at the 'chosen time'. But I suppose it's a
good way to build an audience instead of just uploading the video without
any fanfare.As I say I look forward to this one and am so pleased to see
Mike is stlll working sometimes

By the way David, I'd love to hear some of your own OB stories, since
you've done such a variety of both major...and minor OB's during
particularly your Trilion years in what were surely Europe's biggest OB
vehicles.
Here's a pic of the second of your trucks, Unit 10 but I l always will
remember Unit 9 with that 40 channel Harrison desk.
[image: 1988_02_120_177-Trilion OB Unit 10-Fuji TV-Brocket
Hall-Feb88-Neg14-1200.jpg]

Dave Taylor
www.postfade.co.uk

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 10:04, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

>
> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/its-all-about-the-sound-tickets-110969695346?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing
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From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 06:18:42 2020
From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:18:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND,
 from RTS website
In-Reply-To: <CAKrdDqtU+5tuqvvBVRJkebL=idn4UHZ8Xinmbg1q9=be=kt+cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003001d659bd$c9118d30$5b34a790$@gmail.com>
	<CAKrdDqtU+5tuqvvBVRJkebL=idn4UHZ8Xinmbg1q9=be=kt+cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005701d659d0$88b96790$9a2c36b0$@gmail.com>

David,

I have spent my life ever since trying to forget that Harrison pile of junk!

 

From: David Taylor <david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk> 
Sent: 14 July 2020 11:47
To: David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com>
Cc: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND, from RTS website

 

Dave,

I'm sure I'm not the only sound guy waiting to hear what Mike has to say. He was a real idol way back at the beginning of the 70's when the new sound department at London Weekend TV was trying hard to create exciting sounding audience shows, mainly sit-coms that were then a large part of our 'weekend' output. Mike produced the most exciting, upfront audience sound but still managed to get the dialogue through. We realised that the creative use of both audio compression and the fast control of that all important audience fader was the only way to give us the sound we required. The best user of this technique in our own group of Sound Supervisors was Vic Finch who had been bold enough to propel himself forward into the Supervisor chair at a young age.

Mike McCarthy continued making the best comedy audience show sound for years to come of course.What an amazing list of shows there are in his CV.

 

The promotion of the Eventbrite/RTS events, like the previous 60 Years of TVC are a little confusing I think. They are in fact the 'premier' of a YouTube video that's unveiled at the 'chosen time'. But I suppose it's a good way to build an audience instead of just uploading the video without any fanfare.As I say I look forward to this one and am so pleased to see Mike is stlll working sometimes

 

By the way David, I'd love to hear some of your own OB stories, since you've done such a variety of both major...and minor OB's during particularly your Trilion years in what were surely Europe's biggest OB vehicles.

Here's a pic of the second of your trucks, Unit 10 but I l always will remember Unit 9 with that 40 channel Harrison desk.



 

Dave Taylor

www.postfade.co.uk <http://www.postfade.co.uk>  

 

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https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/its-all-about-the-sound-tickets-110969695346?utm-medium=discovery <https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/its-all-about-the-sound-tickets-110969695346?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing> &utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing

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From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk  Tue Jul 14 06:33:17 2020
From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:33:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND,
 from RTS website
In-Reply-To: <005701d659d0$88b96790$9a2c36b0$@gmail.com>
References: <003001d659bd$c9118d30$5b34a790$@gmail.com>
	<CAKrdDqtU+5tuqvvBVRJkebL=idn4UHZ8Xinmbg1q9=be=kt+cw@mail.gmail.com>
	<005701d659d0$88b96790$9a2c36b0$@gmail.com>
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Dave,
Ahh well you should know. Although I did mix the live performance of Don
Giovanni with Kiri Tekanaw on that desk in '88 on it OK I remember.
Unit 10 had a Soundcraft didn't it...surely that wasn't an outstanding desk
either?

Best wishes to you
Dave T

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 12:18, David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> I have spent my life ever since trying to forget that Harrison pile of
> junk!
>
>
>
> *From:* David Taylor <david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk>
> *Sent:* 14 July 2020 11:47
> *To:* David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND, from
> RTS website
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
> I'm sure I'm not the only sound guy waiting to hear what Mike has to say.
> He was a real idol way back at the beginning of the 70's when the new sound
> department at London Weekend TV was trying hard to create exciting sounding
> audience shows, mainly sit-coms that were then a large part of our
> 'weekend' output. Mike produced the most exciting, upfront audience sound
> but still managed to get the dialogue through. We realised that the
> creative use of both audio compression and the fast control of that all
> important audience fader was the only way to give us the sound we required.
> The best user of this technique in our own group of Sound Supervisors was
> Vic Finch who had been bold enough to propel himself forward into the
> Supervisor chair at a young age.
>
> Mike McCarthy continued making the best comedy audience show sound for
> years to come of course.What an amazing list of shows there are in his CV.
>
>
>
> The promotion of the Eventbrite/RTS events, like the previous 60 Years of
> TVC are a little confusing I think. They are in fact the 'premier' of a
> YouTube video that's unveiled at the 'chosen time'. But I suppose it's a
> good way to build an audience instead of just uploading the video without
> any fanfare.As I say I look forward to this one and am so pleased to see
> Mike is stlll working sometimes
>
>
>
> By the way David, I'd love to hear some of your own OB stories, since
> you've done such a variety of both major...and minor OB's during
> particularly your Trilion years in what were surely Europe's biggest OB
> vehicles.
>
> Here's a pic of the second of your trucks, Unit 10 but I l always will
> remember Unit 9 with that 40 channel Harrison desk.
>
>
>
> Dave Taylor
>
> www.postfade.co.uk
>
>
>
> On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 10:04, David Denness via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> https://www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/its-all-about-the-sound-tickets-110969695346?utm-medium=discovery&utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-source=strongmail&utm-term=listing
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jul 14 07:27:01 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:27:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND,
 from RTS website
In-Reply-To: <005701d659d0$88b96790$9a2c36b0$@gmail.com>
References: <003001d659bd$c9118d30$5b34a790$@gmail.com>
	<CAKrdDqtU+5tuqvvBVRJkebL=idn4UHZ8Xinmbg1q9=be=kt+cw@mail.gmail.com>,
	<005701d659d0$88b96790$9a2c36b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351D8BDA5BD3D7646289806A7610@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Me too, Dave. I always wondered how that desk could get so hot without bursting into flames.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 14 Jul 2020, at 12:19, David Denness via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
David,
I have spent my life ever since trying to forget that Harrison pile of junk!

From: David Taylor <david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk>
Sent: 14 July 2020 11:47
To: David Denness <ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com>
Cc: tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] You're invited to IT'S ALL ABOUT THE SOUND, from RTS website

Dave,
I'm sure I'm not the only sound guy waiting to hear what Mike has to say. He was a real idol way back at the beginning of the 70's when the new sound department at London Weekend TV was trying hard to create exciting sounding audience shows, mainly sit-coms that were then a large part of our 'weekend' output. Mike produced the most exciting, upfront audience sound but still managed to get the dialogue through. We realised that the creative use of both audio compression and the fast control of that all important audience fader was the only way to give us the sound we required. The best user of this technique in our own group of Sound Supervisors was Vic Finch who had been bold enough to propel himself forward into the Supervisor chair at a young age.
Mike McCarthy continued making the best comedy audience show sound for years to come of course.What an amazing list of shows there are in his CV.

The promotion of the Eventbrite/RTS events, like the previous 60 Years of TVC are a little confusing I think. They are in fact the 'premier' of a YouTube video that's unveiled at the 'chosen time'. But I suppose it's a good way to build an audience instead of just uploading the video without any fanfare.As I say I look forward to this one and am so pleased to see Mike is stlll working sometimes

By the way David, I'd love to hear some of your own OB stories, since you've done such a variety of both major...and minor OB's during particularly your Trilion years in what were surely Europe's biggest OB vehicles.
Here's a pic of the second of your trucks, Unit 10 but I l always will remember Unit 9 with that 40 channel Harrison desk.
[cid:image002.jpg at 01D659D8.E9C57C10]

Dave Taylor
www.postfade.co.uk<http://www.postfade.co.uk>

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 08:10:57 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:10:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] These came my way ...
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jul 14 08:42:48 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:42:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] These came my way ...
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351CCBDEC113E66CF9EFFAEA7610@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

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?You might not believe it, but I actually recognise that bit of pot-holed road! It?s here in Cranleigh, joining the western (not so posh) end of The Ridgeway with New Park Road. We?re told it?s officially the worst stretch of road in England. Waverley Borough Council say it?s nothing to do with them; the Parish Council say it?s not theirs; Surrey County Council say it?s Waverley?s job to fix it, and the Highways Authority probably don?t know where Cranleigh is. So there it is, in all its third-world glory, and it seems it will remain so.
Great, eh?
Cheers,
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 10:33:19 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:33:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
Message-ID: <839b84a0-fea2-f7a6-d162-57661f8ad779@gmail.com>

I've always wanted to be able make the sort of bread you see on those 
artisan stalls, costing a fortune. Now finally I think I've achieved it, 
and it turns out to be really easy.



None of that kneading stuff, super hot ovens, or bread machines......

half teaspoon dried yeast
400gm bread flour
280gm water
teaspoon salt

Be accurate - the water/flour ratio is important.

Put in a large bowl in that order, and mix. Don't go mad, just make sure 
it's all wet.? Cover and leave on the side for 12 or more hours.
Decant onto a floury surface - it's sticky. Shape the way you want it to 
be - I cut in half, flatten somewhat into long rectangles, then roll 
into baguettes. It helps at this point to have a bakers couche from 
eBay, but not compulsory. Leave for another three hours.
Heat your oven to maximum, having put a dish of water on the bottom shelf.
Cook for 18 minutes.

Done!

Sent your pics to tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk

B


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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Jul 14 10:47:07 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:47:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
In-Reply-To: <839b84a0-fea2-f7a6-d162-57661f8ad779@gmail.com>
References: <839b84a0-fea2-f7a6-d162-57661f8ad779@gmail.com>
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What, no sugar for the yeast?

Looks good -  must try some. I?ve been making bread for years using a machine but have been trying different recipes recently. Latest success is a seeded bread using pumpkin and sunflower seeds crushed in  a mortar. Recently tried one using red Leicester cheese and caramilised red onion, delicious.


? 
Graeme Wall



> On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I've always wanted to be able make the sort of bread you see on those artisan stalls, costing a fortune. Now finally I think I've achieved it, and it turns out to be really easy.
> 
> <holes.jpg>
> 
> None of that kneading stuff, super hot ovens, or bread machines......
> 
> half teaspoon dried yeast
> 400gm bread flour
> 280gm water
> teaspoon salt 
> 
> Be accurate - the water/flour ratio is important.
> 
> Put in a large bowl in that order, and mix. Don't go mad, just make sure it's all wet.  Cover and leave on the side for 12 or more hours. 
> Decant onto a floury surface - it's sticky. Shape the way you want it to be - I cut in half, flatten somewhat into long rectangles, then roll into baguettes. It helps at this point to have a bakers couche from eBay, but not compulsory. Leave for another three hours. 
> Heat your oven to maximum, having put a dish of water on the bottom shelf.  
> Cook for 18 minutes.
> 
> Done!  
> 
> Sent your pics to tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> 
> B
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jul 14 11:16:47 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:16:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
In-Reply-To: <2D7DAB12-9A75-439F-82FF-DEAA638A4252@icloud.com>
References: <2D7DAB12-9A75-439F-82FF-DEAA638A4252@icloud.com>
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We?ve been making our own sourdough bread for the last few years. Nothing but flour, salt and water along with the starter which is just flour and water but with the benefit of a few years of gentle fermenting.  The results are amazing. Our usual loaf is made with Cotswold Crunch flour from Matthews flour mill near here.  We?ve got about 25kg ordered, ready for collection next week with a further 40kg for neighbours.

Sourdough really came into it?s own when shops had run out of baking products because it doesn?t use commercial yeast.  If making yeasted bread, you don?t necessarily need sugar because the yeast will find the nourishment it needs in the flour.  Mixing yeast with sugar before adding to the dough speeds up a process which would have happened anyway.

I?m a bit surprised you?re getting the loaf cooked in 18 mins. Our bread is usually cooked for 35-40 mins at 250C, or longer if we want it super crusty.

We bake the bread an old fashioned cast iron lidded casserole dish which the Americans call a Dutch Oven.  It?s left in the oven while the oven is heating up and when the bread is cooked, it traps the steam making it lovely and crusty.  Just over half way through, the lid is removed to let the loaf brown perfectly.

One great thing about sourdough is all the delicious things you can make with excess starter. We regularly make things like bagels, waffles, pancakes, English muffins, crumpets and pastry.

Alan Taylor

> On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?What, no sugar for the yeast?
> 
> Looks good -  must try some. I?ve been making bread for years using a machine but have been trying different recipes recently. Latest success is a seeded bread using pumpkin and sunflower seeds crushed in  a mortar. Recently tried one using red Leicester cheese and caramilised red onion, delicious.
> 
> 
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> <Bread.jpg>
> 
>> On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I've always wanted to be able make the sort of bread you see on those artisan stalls, costing a fortune. Now finally I think I've achieved it, and it turns out to be really easy.
>> 
>> <holes.jpg>
>> 
>> None of that kneading stuff, super hot ovens, or bread machines......
>> 
>> half teaspoon dried yeast
>> 400gm bread flour
>> 280gm water
>> teaspoon salt 
>> 
>> Be accurate - the water/flour ratio is important.
>> 
>> Put in a large bowl in that order, and mix. Don't go mad, just make sure it's all wet.  Cover and leave on the side for 12 or more hours. 
>> Decant onto a floury surface - it's sticky. Shape the way you want it to be - I cut in half, flatten somewhat into long rectangles, then roll into baguettes. It helps at this point to have a bakers couche from eBay, but not compulsory. Leave for another three hours. 
>> Heat your oven to maximum, having put a dish of water on the bottom shelf.  
>> Cook for 18 minutes.
>> 
>> Done!  
>> 
>> Sent your pics to tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> 
>> B
>> 
>> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jul 14 11:20:30 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:20:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
In-Reply-To: <2D7DAB12-9A75-439F-82FF-DEAA638A4252@icloud.com>
References: <839b84a0-fea2-f7a6-d162-57661f8ad779@gmail.com>
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On 14/07/2020 16:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> What, no sugar for the yeast?

Not required. Particularly if you use a long fermentation time like 
Bernie's recipe. The yeast contains amylase to break down the flour 
starch into sugars. If the conditions are slightly acid this works even 
better, and long fermentation is a little bit like the use of sourdough 
starters.

That's the process that is making the crumb have a lot of open holes. 
The wetness of the dough also allows it to "blow" well.

The crunchy crumb is because of the steam formed in the oven - 
counter-intuitive, but the same process that gives French bread its 
mouth-splitting crust.

Chris Woolf




From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jul 14 11:27:17 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:27:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
In-Reply-To: <82F6D39A-39F0-4B1F-A154-F0BF12B174A4@me.com>
References: <2D7DAB12-9A75-439F-82FF-DEAA638A4252@icloud.com>
	<82F6D39A-39F0-4B1F-A154-F0BF12B174A4@me.com>
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On 14/07/2020 17:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> ....
>
> I?m a bit surprised you?re getting the loaf cooked in 18 mins. Our 
> bread is usually cooked for 35-40 mins at 250C, or longer if we want 
> it super crusty.

Because he's baking 2 x 200g? loaves, and your Dutch Oven technique 
absorbs a lot of the thermal energy, so a longer cooking time is 
necessary. Both your individual baking times make good sense to me - I 
normally find a respectable wholemeal loaf takes around 40-45min @200C, 
and a French stick closer to 20min.

Glad there are lots of other bakers around - it is enormously good fun.

Chris Woolf


>
> We bake the bread an old fashioned cast iron lidded casserole dish 
> which the Americans call a Dutch Oven. ?It?s left in the oven while 
> the oven is heating up and when the bread is cooked, it traps the 
> steam making it lovely and crusty. ?Just over half way through, the 
> lid is removed to let the loaf brown perfectly.
>
> .
>>> On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've always wanted to be?able make the sort of bread you see on 
>>> those artisan stalls,?costing a fortune. Now finally I think I've 
>>> achieved it, and it?turns out to be really easy.
>>>
>>> <holes.jpg>
>>>
>>> None of that kneading stuff, super hot ovens, or bread?machines......
>>>
>>> half teaspoon dried yeast
>>> 400gm bread flour
>>> 280gm water
>>> teaspoon salt
>>>
>>> Be accurate - the water/flour ratio is important.
>>>
>>> Put in a large bowl in that order, and mix. Don't go mad, just?make 
>>> sure it's all wet. ?Cover and leave on the side for 12 or?more hours.
>>> Decant onto a floury surface - it's sticky. Shape the way you 
>>> want?it to be - I cut in half, flatten somewhat into long 
>>> rectangles,?then roll into baguettes. It helps at this point to have 
>>> a?bakers?couche from eBay, but not compulsory. Leave for another 
>>> three?hours.
>>> Heat your oven to maximum, having put a dish of water on the?bottom 
>>> shelf.
>>> Cook for 18 minutes.
>>>
>>> Done!
>>>
>>> Sent your pics to tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Jul 14 11:52:27 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 17:52:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
In-Reply-To: <ca9d5965-b1a8-93ca-834c-c83fa4d95682@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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Thanks Chris, useful to know, must start experimenting.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 14 Jul 2020, at 17:20, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 14/07/2020 16:47, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
>> What, no sugar for the yeast?
> 
> Not required. Particularly if you use a long fermentation time like Bernie's recipe. The yeast contains amylase to break down the flour starch into sugars. If the conditions are slightly acid this works even better, and long fermentation is a little bit like the use of sourdough starters.
> 
> That's the process that is making the crumb have a lot of open holes. The wetness of the dough also allows it to "blow" well.
> 
> The crunchy crumb is because of the steam formed in the oven - counter-intuitive, but the same process that gives French bread its mouth-splitting crust.
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Jul 14 13:02:46 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 18:02:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351190DC4261896044697D3A7610@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?
Add me to the list of bread making enthusiasts. I did Masterchef for nine years, up to the end of the Loyd Grossman era. At the end of one series, a Panasonic bread making machine was up for grabs, so I grabbed it. Until then I never knew I needed one, but I soon found that I did, and it still gets used regularly.
There?s real satisfaction to be had from something you made yourself, and bread is no exception.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 14 Jul 2020, at 17:26, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?


On 14/07/2020 17:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
....

I?m a bit surprised you?re getting the loaf cooked in 18 mins. Our bread is usuallyi cooked for 35-40 mins at 250C, or longer if we want it super crusty.

Because he's baking 2 x 200g  loaves, and your Dutch Oven technique absorbs a lot of the thermal energy, so a longer cooking time is necessary. Both your individual baking times make good sense to me - I normally find a respectable wholemeal loaf takes around 40-45min @200C, and a French stick closer to 20min.

Glad there are lots of other bakers around - it is enormously good fun.

Chris Woolf


We bake the bread an old fashioned cast iron lidded casserole dish which the Americans call a Dutch Oven.  It?s left in the oven while the oven is heating up and when the bread is cooked, it traps the steam making it lovely and crusty.  Just over half way through, the lid is removed to let the loaf brown perfectly.

.
On 14 Jul 2020, at 16:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I've always wanted to be able make the sort of bread you see on those artisan stalls, costing a fortune. Now finally I think I've achieved it, and it turns out to be really easy.

<holes.jpg>

None of that kneading stuff, super hot ovens, or bread machines......

half teaspoon dried yeast
400gm bread flour
280gm water
teaspoon salt

Be accurate - the water/flour ratio is important.

Put in a large bowl in that order, and mix. Don't go mad, just make sure it's all wet.  Cover and leave on the side for 12 or more hours.
Decant onto a floury surface - it's sticky. Shape the way you want it to be - I cut in half, flatten somewhat into long rectangles, then roll into baguettes. It helps at this point to have a bakers couche from eBay, but not compulsory. Leave for another three hours.
Heat your oven to maximum, having put a dish of water on the bottom shelf.
Cook for 18 minutes.

Done!

Sent your pics to tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>

B


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 14 13:43:30 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 19:43:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] These came my way ...
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A few groans there, Alec!
I?d seen some of them before, however....
Liked the Catfish!

Pat



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 14 16:45:20 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 22:45:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phone bill
Message-ID: <7084c235-f6d8-201a-b2f3-273972a30c73@btinternet.com>

BT have just informed me that they will change my calling plan to a 
'new, bigger,? unlimited calling plan' for only ?4.50 a month, extra on 
top of my current ?10.11 'unlimited anytime call plan'. Wow! I have just 
received my last bill which lists only 14 minutes of calls. The option 
now available is a 700 minute plan for only ?7 (which now includes calls 
to mobiles), guess which plan I might change to! Cheers, Dave



From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Jul 14 17:00:13 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 23:00:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phone bill
In-Reply-To: <7084c235-f6d8-201a-b2f3-273972a30c73@btinternet.com>
References: <7084c235-f6d8-201a-b2f3-273972a30c73@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <CBC0FD3C-277D-47B1-A2AE-EBB2163C1414@me.com>

If we didn?t need a line for broadband, we would have done away with our landline about six years ago once 3G reached our village and we could finally make and receive reliable cellphone calls anywhere indoors ( 18? thick stone walls reduce the signal level ).

We?ve opted for a ( non BT ) plan where we pay the lowest available monthly fee, but calls would be a little pricey if we made any.

Alan Taylor



> On 14 Jul 2020, at 22:45, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?BT have just informed me that they will change my calling plan to a 'new, bigger,  unlimited calling plan' for only ?4.50 a month, extra on top of my current ?10.11 'unlimited anytime call plan'. Wow! I have just received my last bill which lists only 14 minutes of calls. The option now available is a 700 minute plan for only ?7 (which now includes calls to mobiles), guess which plan I might change to! Cheers, Dave
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 14 15:02:49 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 21:02:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
In-Reply-To: <2D7DAB12-9A75-439F-82FF-DEAA638A4252@icloud.com>
References: <839b84a0-fea2-f7a6-d162-57661f8ad779@gmail.com>
	<2D7DAB12-9A75-439F-82FF-DEAA638A4252@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <cdb7af81-b66b-3c1f-ec28-e4d69016fe28@gmail.com>



On 14/07/2020 16:47, Graeme Wall wrote:
> What, no sugar for the yeast?

I'm not in any way an expert, but I think the fast rise you have to have 
in a bread machine needs more yeast and sugar to make it grow. This 
grows slowly, and there's some good chemical reason for less yeast and 
no sugar.? I love the fact that you don't knead, in a machine or by hand 
- that was always what was taught, at least five minutes of kneading.? 
This is slow minimalist bread making.

This isn't of course in any way original to me, though I did some minor 
changes as I went along. Half a cap full of olive oil makes it last 
longer without changing the taste, and I've done that a few times as I 
learned.

B

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Wed Jul 15 03:52:07 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 09:52:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phone bill
In-Reply-To: <7084c235-f6d8-201a-b2f3-273972a30c73@btinternet.com>
References: <7084c235-f6d8-201a-b2f3-273972a30c73@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <0AB7BEA918784ED0B04D6761B77A4939@Gigabyte>

We have had first of this stream initially stopping (so it says) the Line 
Rental Saver which gives a free month if paid in advance.
The options are not really laid out yet but probably the 500 minutes 
remains.
Looks like 3 options (each for more dosh) of 500/700/unlimited for various 
cost and I think I am about to cancel the "Friends and family" package (sad 
eh? No friends?)
I note some options are only available to those taking BT line (obviously) 
but also BT broadband.
It is all part of the "too complicated to bother so I will stay where I am" 
syndrome

Mike

-----Original Message----- 
From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:45 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil
Subject: [Tech1] Phone bill

BT have just informed me that they will change my calling plan to a
'new, bigger,  unlimited calling plan' for only ?4.50 a month, extra on
top of my current ?10.11 'unlimited anytime call plan'. Wow! I have just
received my last bill which lists only 14 minutes of calls. The option
now available is a 700 minute plan for only ?7 (which now includes calls
to mobiles), guess which plan I might change to! Cheers, Dave



From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jul 15 03:53:00 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 08:53:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] BT Internet Scam call
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB035151F1948042E5E9018314A77E0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Don?t fall for this one:
?Hello. This is BT Internet Department. We are going to disconnect your internet connection as we have detected some suspicious activity on your connection. Press 1 to talk to our technical expert and resolve the issue?.
(Approx quote, from memory)
Clearly a scam.
And besides, we are with TalkTalk, not BT.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jul 15 04:05:38 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:05:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BT Internet Scam call
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035151F1948042E5E9018314A77E0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB035151F1948042E5E9018314A77E0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <39874CCE-1D4D-476F-9B92-0B3BD5393543@icloud.com>

I have been getting those two or three times a day recently. The previous incarnation was the Amazon Prime scam, same voice same routine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Jul 2020, at 09:53, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Don?t fall for this one:
> ?Hello. This is BT Internet Department. We are going to disconnect your internet connection as we have detected some suspicious activity on your connection. Press 1 to talk to our technical expert and resolve the issue?.
> (Approx quote, from memory)
> Clearly a scam.
> And besides, we are with TalkTalk, not BT.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 15 04:58:05 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 10:58:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BT Internet Scam call
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB035151F1948042E5E9018314A77E0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB035151F1948042E5E9018314A77E0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <589063e6fbdavesound@btinternet.com>

My current favourite is:-

'This is the Visa/Mastercard department of your bank here'

Covering all options. ;-) 


In article
<VI1P189MB035151F1948042E5E9018314A77E0 at VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Don?t fall for this one:
> ?Hello. This is BT Internet Department. We are going to disconnect your internet connection as we have detected some suspicious activity on your connection. Press 1 to talk to our technical expert and resolve the issue?.
> (Approx quote, from memory)
> Clearly a scam.
> And besides, we are with TalkTalk, not BT.
> Cheers,
> Nick.

> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> -- 
> Te

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 15 05:01:02 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:01:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Phone bill
In-Reply-To: <CBC0FD3C-277D-47B1-A2AE-EBB2163C1414@me.com>
References: <7084c235-f6d8-201a-b2f3-273972a30c73@btinternet.com>
	<CBC0FD3C-277D-47B1-A2AE-EBB2163C1414@me.com>
Message-ID: <5890642c6adavesound@btinternet.com>

In case you didn't know (it's not well publicised) you get a discount if
you pay the line rental up front each year. Something like a years rental
for 11 months payment. Quite a bargain given low interest rates on savings.


In article <CBC0FD3C-277D-47B1-A2AE-EBB2163C1414 at me.com>,
   Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> If we didn?t need a line for broadband, we would have done away with our
> landline about six years ago once 3G reached our village and we could
> finally make and receive reliable cellphone calls anywhere indoors ( 18?
> thick stone walls reduce the signal level ).

> We?ve opted for a ( non BT ) plan where we pay the lowest available
> monthly fee, but calls would be a little pricey if we made any.

> Alan Taylor



> > On 14 Jul 2020, at 22:45, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > #BT have just informed me that they will change my calling plan to a
> > 'new, bigger,  unlimited calling plan' for only ?4.50 a month, extra
> > on top of my current ?10.11 'unlimited anytime call plan'. Wow! I have
> > just received my last bill which lists only 14 minutes of calls. The
> > option now available is a 700 minute plan for only ?7 (which now
> > includes calls to mobiles), guess which plan I might change to!
> > Cheers, Dave
> > 
> > 
> > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

> -- Tech1 m

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Wed Jul 15 06:11:18 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 12:11:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Something different
In-Reply-To: <cdb7af81-b66b-3c1f-ec28-e4d69016fe28@gmail.com>
References: <839b84a0-fea2-f7a6-d162-57661f8ad779@gmail.com>
	<2D7DAB12-9A75-439F-82FF-DEAA638A4252@icloud.com>
	<cdb7af81-b66b-3c1f-ec28-e4d69016fe28@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92b33a44-4895-a267-781a-7eece23d228c@chriswoolf.co.uk>

You do need to develop the gluten in bread to make it hold together, and 
the conventional way to do it is to work it somehow - kneading being the 
general term.

But if you use a long fermentation that does roughly the same thing. You 
can use a bit of both techniques if you like - the texture of the crumb 
will be different depending on how you do it, and also on the flour you 
use. Using yogurt, buttermilk, or the acids in sourdough starters helps 
the process enormously.

The longer the dough ferments the more interesting the flavour (and, it 
seems, the less likelihood of initiating gluten intolerance too). That's 
why sourdoughs and slow artisan breads (which can be slowed down in the 
fridge if you like) are so much tastier than high-speed bread machine or 
Chorleywood process Mother's Shame loaves.

Adding fat or oil tends to give a softer crumb, usually with smaller 
pores. Adding a lot of fat and eggs moves the texture more towards cake, 
as you find in brioche loaves, but also tends to slow down the fermentation.

If you want to add a lot of interesting ingredients, such as seeds, 
nuts, cheese, olives etc, then the best way is usually to prove the 
dough, roll it out flat, scatter all the goodies on the surface, and 
roll up like a Swiss roll - then shape into whatever loaf you like.

It has to be the most satisfying occupation in the kitchen, and truly, 
you have to try very hard to make something inedible - bread rarely 
fails completely.

Chris Woolf


On 14/07/2020 21:02, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote:
>
>
> On 14/07/2020 16:47, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> What, no sugar for the yeast?
>
> I'm not in any way an expert, but I think the fast rise you have to 
> have in a bread machine needs more yeast and sugar to make it grow.? 
> This grows slowly, and there's some good chemical reason for less 
> yeast and no sugar.? I love the fact that you don't knead, in a 
> machine or by hand - that was always what was taught, at least five 
> minutes of kneading.? This is slow minimalist bread making.
>
> This isn't of course in any way original to me, though I did some 
> minor changes as I went along. Half a cap full of olive oil makes it 
> last longer without changing the taste, and I've done that a few times 
> as I learned.
>
> B
>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul 17 05:33:19 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:33:19 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Elfin Safety, Ladders and Wagon Wheels
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB0340B2CC41DA68127856DCFFA77C0@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Social Distancing - 10/10
Health and Safety - 0/10
He?s been left there working on his own in green wellies. House owner is out playing golf.
Meanwhile, behind us:
Social Distancing - 10/10
Health and Safety - 10/10.
[cid:DEE9C16A-98FD-4F34-AFB0-1F2EC514E63E][cid:D70D98B0-8F7E-4DAA-9D28-80E2CD736D29]

By the way, the roof guy de-mossed ours last week and did a very thorough job, including cleaning up afterwards. I deduced that he must be around 70 when I gave him a mug of coffee and a Wagon Wheel. ?Cor, he said, I didn?t know you could still get those. They used to be thruppence each!? (old pence). He?s right, they were. I told him I?d had that one since then!
I mentioned the safety aspect to his boss when he came back to collect him and the kit later, but he wasn?t in the least bit concerned. ?He?s been doing it for forty years and hasn?t had a fall yet?. So that makes it OK then?, I wondered.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 17 06:20:19 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:20:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] More smiles!
Message-ID: <6573c85a-3f57-7477-0bdf-6366087ce4d6@btinternet.com>


I must be getting older . . .
All the names in my phone book end with M.D.

I am not old.
I am chronologically gifted.

Florida . . . God's Waiting Room.

At my age flowers scare me.

I am so old that . . .
whenever I eat out, they ask me for money up front.

I am so old that . . .
all my friends in heaven will think I didn't make it.

Birthdays are good for you.
The more you have, the longer you live.

One good thing about Alzheimers, you get to meet new people everyday.

Support BINGO!
Keep Grandma off the streets.

Any day above ground is a good one.

My wife always gives me sound advice.
99% Sound . . . 1% Advice

Cheers, Dave



From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jul 17 06:56:30 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:56:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Elfin Safety, Ladders and Wagon Wheels
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB0340B2CC41DA68127856DCFFA77C0@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5P189MB0340B2CC41DA68127856DCFFA77C0@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <99BDB5F0-B04C-41CE-B411-B41BB5EF3E6B@me.com>

My particular elfin safety near-disaster was when I decided to use my chain saw to shorten a branch on an old beech tree in my garden.

The offending branch was about 10 cm thick and running nearly horizontally for about ten metres and I wanted to shorten it to about five.  The height was nicely within reach for my extending ladder so I thought it was a trivial job.  I extended the ladder and it comfortably reached a couple of feet beyond the branch.  I ignored the jokes from my son about which side I would make the cut and got on with sawing through the branch, with the ladder securely leaning on the part of the branch between the cut and the trunk.

When the branch dropped away, the remaining branch reacted to the loss of weight by suddenly springing up, just enough to get above the point where my ladder had been leaning against it.  It was like one of those Road Runner cartoon running over the edge of a cliff moments, where everything remained fine until I noticed that there was nothing holding me up anymore and then with a weird combination of slow motion and lightning speed, gravity did what gravity always does.

Fortunately I made a soft landing and was unharmed. The chainsaw stopped instantly.  In hindsight there were about a dozen things I should have done differently, but it was only supposed to be a a quick cut, no different to all the routine pruning which I carry out on some of my trees each year.  I've been doing pruning with a chainsaw for forty years and never had a fall before that.  These days I have a zip-up scaffold tower, which gives me safer access to most things.

I've also included a picture of how a tree surgeon took down a large willow tree in our garden in 2015.  Essentially he just climbed the tree and kept chopping bits off until he ended up back at ground level. His boss was down below and had taught him how to fell trees.  Unfortunately the boss had to remain at ground level because he was recovering from having recently fallen out of a tree.  If I were that lad, I'd be tempted to find a different teacher.  

Incidentally they wanted to charge more than ?100 to take the branches away.  I got them to chip the small stuff but to leave the rest so that I could cut it into logs.  We've been burning those logs in our wood burner ever since and there's still plenty left for this winter too.  We saved the ?100 cost of the log removal and then another 4x >?100 by not having to buy a tipper load of logs each year since then.

Alan Taylor





On 17 Jul 2020, at 17 Jul . 11:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Social Distancing - 10/10
> Health and Safety - 0/10
> He?s been left there working on his own in green wellies. House owner is out playing golf.
> Meanwhile, behind us:
> Social Distancing - 10/10
> Health and Safety - 10/10.
> <image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
> 
> By the way, the roof guy de-mossed ours last week and did a very thorough job, including cleaning up afterwards. I deduced that he must be around 70 when I gave him a mug of coffee and a Wagon Wheel. ?Cor, he said, I didn?t know you could still get those. They used to be thruppence each!? (old pence). He?s right, they were. I told him I?d had that one since then!
> I mentioned the safety aspect to his boss when he came back to collect him and the kit later, but he wasn?t in the least bit concerned. ?He?s been doing it for forty years and hasn?t had a fall yet?. So that makes it OK then?, I wondered.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul 17 07:33:03 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:33:03 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Elfin Safety, Ladders and Wagon Wheels
In-Reply-To: <99BDB5F0-B04C-41CE-B411-B41BB5EF3E6B@me.com>
References: <AM5P189MB0340B2CC41DA68127856DCFFA77C0@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<99BDB5F0-B04C-41CE-B411-B41BB5EF3E6B@me.com>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB0340FE9B579911D7A358617CA77C0@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Ah, now I see why that beautiful mature Silver Birch had to die. Twelve ugly Solar panels!! I was hoping it was just being pollarded. Was that solar energy really worth the carbon the tree was taking out of the atmosphere?
[cid:5D5EFB9A-4BAF-4EC7-9672-91EDE1A75C1C]

Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 17 Jul 2020, at 12:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? My particular elfin safety near-disaster was when I decided to use my chain saw to shorten a branch on an old beech tree in my garden.

The offending branch was about 10 cm thick and running nearly horizontally for about ten metres and I wanted to shorten it to about five.  The height was nicely within reach for my extending ladder so I thought it was a trivial job.  I extended the ladder and it comfortably reached a couple of feet beyond the branch.  I ignored the jokes from my son about which side I would make the cut and got on with sawing through the branch, with the ladder securely leaning on the part of the branch between the cut and the trunk.

When the branch dropped away, the remaining branch reacted to the loss of weight by suddenly springing up, just enough to get above the point where my ladder had been leaning against it.  It was like one of those Road Runner cartoon running over the edge of a cliff moments, where everything remained fine until I noticed that there was nothing holding me up anymore and then with a weird combination of slow motion and lightning speed, gravity did what gravity always does.

Fortunately I made a soft landing and was unharmed. The chainsaw stopped instantly.  In hindsight there were about a dozen things I should have done differently, but it was only supposed to be a a quick cut, no different to all the routine pruning which I carry out on some of my trees each year.  I've been doing pruning with a chainsaw for forty years and never had a fall before that.  These days I have a zip-up scaffold tower, which gives me safer access to most things.

I've also included a picture of how a tree surgeon took down a large willow tree in our garden in 2015.  Essentially he just climbed the tree and kept chopping bits off until he ended up back at ground level. His boss was down below and had taught him how to fell trees.  Unfortunately the boss had to remain at ground level because he was recovering from having recently fallen out of a tree.  If I were that lad, I'd be tempted to find a different teacher.

Incidentally they wanted to charge more than ?100 to take the branches away.  I got them to chip the small stuff but to leave the rest so that I could cut it into logs.  We've been burning those logs in our wood burner ever since and there's still plenty left for this winter too.  We saved the ?100 cost of the log removal and then another 4x >?100 by not having to buy a tipper load of logs each year since then.

Alan Taylor



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On 17 Jul 2020, at 17 Jul . 11:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

Social Distancing - 10/10
Health and Safety - 0/10
He?s been left there working on his own in green wellies. House owner is out playing golf.
Meanwhile, behind us:
Social Distancing - 10/10
Health and Safety - 10/10.
<image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>

By the way, the roof guy de-mossed ours last week and did a very thorough job, including cleaning up afterwards. I deduced that he must be around 70 when I gave him a mug of coffee and a Wagon Wheel. ?Cor, he said, I didn?t know you could still get those. They used to be thruppence each!? (old pence). He?s right, they were. I told him I?d had that one since then!
I mentioned the safety aspect to his boss when he came back to collect him and the kit later, but he wasn?t in the least bit concerned. ?He?s been doing it for forty years and hasn?t had a fall yet?. So that makes it OK then?, I wondered.
Cheers,
Nick.
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From relong at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 17 10:07:36 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:07:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Elfin Safety, Ladders and Wagon Wheels
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB0340FE9B579911D7A358617CA77C0@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5P189MB0340FE9B579911D7A358617CA77C0@AM5P189MB0340.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I was taking down an old plum tree
At about 15? up I was chain sawing the main stem , programmed to fall on our lawn
All was going well till the wind changed and pushed the cut together stalling the motor ,I could not get it out .
The wind increased a snapped the stem ,I jumped , the chain saw came after me and embedded in the lawn, followed by the tree top.
All missed me....
Since then always used a Tree Surgeon .
We use the ones contracted to Western Power
Last time the took down and logged and chipped 4 trees for 600quid in the morning!

Sent from my iPhone

> On 17 Jul 2020, at 13:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Ah, now I see why that beautiful mature Silver Birch had to die. Twelve ugly Solar panels!! I was hoping it was just being pollarded. Was that solar energy really worth the carbon the tree was taking out of the atmosphere?
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 17 Jul 2020, at 12:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? My particular elfin safety near-disaster was when I decided to use my chain saw to shorten a branch on an old beech tree in my garden.
>> 
>> The offending branch was about 10 cm thick and running nearly horizontally for about ten metres and I wanted to shorten it to about five.  The height was nicely within reach for my extending ladder so I thought it was a trivial job.  I extended the ladder and it comfortably reached a couple of feet beyond the branch.  I ignored the jokes from my son about which side I would make the cut and got on with sawing through the branch, with the ladder securely leaning on the part of the branch between the cut and the trunk.
>> 
>> When the branch dropped away, the remaining branch reacted to the loss of weight by suddenly springing up, just enough to get above the point where my ladder had been leaning against it.  It was like one of those Road Runner cartoon running over the edge of a cliff moments, where everything remained fine until I noticed that there was nothing holding me up anymore and then with a weird combination of slow motion and lightning speed, gravity did what gravity always does.
>> 
>> Fortunately I made a soft landing and was unharmed. The chainsaw stopped instantly.  In hindsight there were about a dozen things I should have done differently, but it was only supposed to be a a quick cut, no different to all the routine pruning which I carry out on some of my trees each year.  I've been doing pruning with a chainsaw for forty years and never had a fall before that.  These days I have a zip-up scaffold tower, which gives me safer access to most things.
>> 
>> I've also included a picture of how a tree surgeon took down a large willow tree in our garden in 2015.  Essentially he just climbed the tree and kept chopping bits off until he ended up back at ground level. His boss was down below and had taught him how to fell trees.  Unfortunately the boss had to remain at ground level because he was recovering from having recently fallen out of a tree.  If I were that lad, I'd be tempted to find a different teacher.  
>> 
>> Incidentally they wanted to charge more than ?100 to take the branches away.  I got them to chip the small stuff but to leave the rest so that I could cut it into logs.  We've been burning those logs in our wood burner ever since and there's still plenty left for this winter too.  We saved the ?100 cost of the log removal and then another 4x >?100 by not having to buy a tipper load of logs each year since then.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <IMG_2345.jpeg>
>> 
>>> On 17 Jul 2020, at 17 Jul . 11:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Social Distancing - 10/10
>>> Health and Safety - 0/10
>>> He?s been left there working on his own in green wellies. House owner is out playing golf.
>>> Meanwhile, behind us:
>>> Social Distancing - 10/10
>>> Health and Safety - 10/10.
>>> <image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> By the way, the roof guy de-mossed ours last week and did a very thorough job, including cleaning up afterwards. I deduced that he must be around 70 when I gave him a mug of coffee and a Wagon Wheel. ?Cor, he said, I didn?t know you could still get those. They used to be thruppence each!? (old pence). He?s right, they were. I told him I?d had that one since then!
>>> I mentioned the safety aspect to his boss when he came back to collect him and the kit later, but he wasn?t in the least bit concerned. ?He?s been doing it for forty years and hasn?t had a fall yet?. So that makes it OK then?, I wondered.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Jul 17 10:08:28 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:08:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Elfin Safety, Ladders and Wagon Wheels
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Hopefully it was just being pollarded.

At a previous house I had a silver birch which suddenly started looking sickly from close  up, but looked ok from a distance.  A tree surgeon advised that silver birch have very shallow root systems and during the Great Storm of ?87, it was probably shaken about and snapped many of the thinner roots.  His proposal was that if we wanted to keep the tree, to chop most of the top off to reduce wind resistance and make it stable, let it regrow its roots and then it should become healthy again. He also added that he would never have one in his land, they?re too sensitive to drought or disturbance and said that if it were his garden, he would get rid of it.

We wanted to keep the tree, we followed his advice and it eventually came back to it?s former glory. Somebody down the road had a similar problem with their silver birch at the same time.  They did nothing and it died off the following year.

I?ve no idea if that?s behind what your neighbours are doing and suspect that the overshadowing of the solar panels might be the prime motivation for the surgery. 

Alan Taylor

> On 17 Jul 2020, at 13:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Ah, now I see why that beautiful mature Silver Birch had to die. Twelve ugly Solar panels!! I was hoping it was just being pollarded. Was that solar energy really worth the carbon the tree was taking out of the atmosphere?
> <image0.jpeg>
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 17 Jul 2020, at 12:57, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? My particular elfin safety near-disaster was when I decided to use my chain saw to shorten a branch on an old beech tree in my garden.
>> 
>> The offending branch was about 10 cm thick and running nearly horizontally for about ten metres and I wanted to shorten it to about five.  The height was nicely within reach for my extending ladder so I thought it was a trivial job.  I extended the ladder and it comfortably reached a couple of feet beyond the branch.  I ignored the jokes from my son about which side I would make the cut and got on with sawing through the branch, with the ladder securely leaning on the part of the branch between the cut and the trunk.
>> 
>> When the branch dropped away, the remaining branch reacted to the loss of weight by suddenly springing up, just enough to get above the point where my ladder had been leaning against it.  It was like one of those Road Runner cartoon running over the edge of a cliff moments, where everything remained fine until I noticed that there was nothing holding me up anymore and then with a weird combination of slow motion and lightning speed, gravity did what gravity always does.
>> 
>> Fortunately I made a soft landing and was unharmed. The chainsaw stopped instantly.  In hindsight there were about a dozen things I should have done differently, but it was only supposed to be a a quick cut, no different to all the routine pruning which I carry out on some of my trees each year.  I've been doing pruning with a chainsaw for forty years and never had a fall before that.  These days I have a zip-up scaffold tower, which gives me safer access to most things.
>> 
>> I've also included a picture of how a tree surgeon took down a large willow tree in our garden in 2015.  Essentially he just climbed the tree and kept chopping bits off until he ended up back at ground level. His boss was down below and had taught him how to fell trees.  Unfortunately the boss had to remain at ground level because he was recovering from having recently fallen out of a tree.  If I were that lad, I'd be tempted to find a different teacher.  
>> 
>> Incidentally they wanted to charge more than ?100 to take the branches away.  I got them to chip the small stuff but to leave the rest so that I could cut it into logs.  We've been burning those logs in our wood burner ever since and there's still plenty left for this winter too.  We saved the ?100 cost of the log removal and then another 4x >?100 by not having to buy a tipper load of logs each year since then.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> <IMG_2345.jpeg>
>> 
>>> On 17 Jul 2020, at 17 Jul . 11:33, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Social Distancing - 10/10
>>> Health and Safety - 0/10
>>> He?s been left there working on his own in green wellies. House owner is out playing golf.
>>> Meanwhile, behind us:
>>> Social Distancing - 10/10
>>> Health and Safety - 10/10.
>>> <image0.jpeg><image1.jpeg>
>>> 
>>> By the way, the roof guy de-mossed ours last week and did a very thorough job, including cleaning up afterwards. I deduced that he must be around 70 when I gave him a mug of coffee and a Wagon Wheel. ?Cor, he said, I didn?t know you could still get those. They used to be thruppence each!? (old pence). He?s right, they were. I told him I?d had that one since then!
>>> I mentioned the safety aspect to his boss when he came back to collect him and the kit later, but he wasn?t in the least bit concerned. ?He?s been doing it for forty years and hasn?t had a fall yet?. So that makes it OK then?, I wondered.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jul 18 02:31:51 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:31:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Old photos
Message-ID: <CEFA3324-964C-4FE3-9D0D-C591C9B39A95@me.com>

I?m trying to make a permanent archive of old BBC TV OB sound operations and have very few photographs available.  Do any of the good folk in this group have photographs, manuals or objects which could be photographed?

Here?s a list of some of the subjects I?m looking for -

Labor MD 82 gun mic 
Electrovoice 643 bazooka microphone ( 7 foot long )
Band I  Radio mics Rx, Tx and their custom batteries
Parabs
Old lip mics with wooden box
Lavalier mics in use
PGS mics
Lazy mics
Old microphones
MX18
Trap valves ( why were they called that ? )
Old mixing desks
Gear in operation
Baron box in use
Unusual microphones
Microphone mountings - such as camera mounts
Unusual microphone mountings
Headphones
Loudspeakers
Pin matrix talkback panels, especially the 1970?s LO21 pin matrix
Jack fields through the years
Tape recorders
Test equipment
Scanners and ancillary vehicles, particularly old or lesser known vehicles
Temporary buildings ( commentary huts etc )
Tailboards, especially older scanners 
People working in unusual or challenging conditions
Scanner halls or parking facilities at KA, Wembley or the regions
Notable programmes being televised 
Amusing or interesting pictures

That list is by no means the full list. Anything which you think might be of interest would be most welcome.  If you don?t have scanning facilities, a smartphone snap of a photograph would be useful and a high quality scan could be arranged later if necessary.

I?m interested in all eras from pre war television OBs through to the demise of BBC OBs.

It?s probably better to email any collections of pictures directly to me in order to avoid cluttering up this group, but it would be good to see a few interesting pictures on the group too.

Alan Taylor
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 18 11:28:48 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:28:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Balmy Saturday!
Message-ID: <032a0fd1-f576-56b5-495e-1bdfbd659a8e@btinternet.com>

My daughter drove up from Somerset yesterday to see us for the first 
time since V-Day in March. My wife hasn't been out since then and 
thought it would be nice to have a trip to Box Hill, near Dorking, as it 
was a lovely sunny day. Driving along the A25 to the Burford Bridge 
roundabout it looked very busy in the public car park there. On the road 
up to the top of Box Hill there were cars parked all the way up, the NT 
car park was full, the public car park was full and there were queues of 
cars trying to park anywhere! I have never seen so many people there! 
All packed together, no-one wearing a mask, and as for 'social 
distancing'- forget it - the crowds had! So, when I could get past, I 
drove over the other side of the hill, glimpsing the wonderful view and 
came back home for a cool beer in the garden. Balmy or what? Cheers, 
Dave. PS.? Expect a Covid spike near Dorking anytime soon!



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jul 18 11:52:49 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:52:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Balmy Saturday!
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References: <032a0fd1-f576-56b5-495e-1bdfbd659a8e@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5f1328e0.1c69fb81.7a9b5.7997@mx.google.com>

Yup, I ventured West, yesterday, to stay with Somerset friends.
The A303 was as busy as usual for a summer Friday, long tailbacks where the dual carriageway ran out, and there are always clever dicks who try and bully their way in having roared up the outside lane.
I found that Canadian drivers really practice the ?merge in turn? advice and it works fine over there!
There was an equal amount of traffic coming the other way, so maybe your daughter got caught up in that!
Polesden Lacey gardens are open, maybe you could have tried there.

Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 18 July 2020 17:28
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil
Subject: [Tech1] Balmy Saturday!

My daughter drove up from Somerset yesterday to see us for the first 
time since V-Day in March. My wife hasn't been out since then and 
thought it would be nice to have a trip to Box Hill, near Dorking, as it 
was a lovely sunny day. Driving along the A25 to the Burford Bridge 
roundabout it looked very busy in the public car park there. On the road 
up to the top of Box Hill there were cars parked all the way up, the NT 
car park was full, the public car park was full and there were queues of 
cars trying to park anywhere! I have never seen so many people there! 
All packed together, no-one wearing a mask, and as for 'social 
distancing'- forget it - the crowds had! So, when I could get past, I 
drove over the other side of the hill, glimpsing the wonderful view and 
came back home for a cool beer in the garden. Balmy or what? Cheers, 
Dave. PS.? Expect a Covid spike near Dorking anytime soon!


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 12:20:14 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:20:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Balmy Saturday!
In-Reply-To: <032a0fd1-f576-56b5-495e-1bdfbd659a8e@btinternet.com>
References: <032a0fd1-f576-56b5-495e-1bdfbd659a8e@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <aafacb7c-478e-51b2-1902-556148bfb90e@ntlworld.com>

I decided yesterday that I'd like to see the comet, so I looked at 
various websites to find out where to look. The answer is in the 
northwest sky, low on the horizon just above where? the sun has recently 
set - it being still near the sun.

A bit of research showed that Staple Hill car park - 
https://what3words.com/jams.shells.those would be a good place - on a 
hill with clear views in the right direction. My wife has never seen a 
comet, but she was pretty sure that what we'd actually see was a touch 
of dogging.?? As it turned out, the sky was clear apart from where the 
comet should be, and it was too light anyway.? I don't know how long the 
comet will be visible, and I rather think that no-one else knows either, 
so I might try again in a week or so.

B


On 18/07/2020 17:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> My daughter drove up from Somerset yesterday to see us for the first 
> time since V-Day in March. My wife hasn't been out since then and 
> thought it would be nice to have a trip to Box Hill, near Dorking, as 
> it was a lovely sunny day. Driving along the A25 to the Burford Bridge 
> roundabout it looked very busy in the public car park there. On the 
> road up to the top of Box Hill there were cars parked all the way up, 
> the NT car park was full, the public car park was full and there were 
> queues of cars trying to park anywhere! I have never seen so many 
> people there! All packed together, no-one wearing a mask, and as for 
> 'social distancing'- forget it - the crowds had! So, when I could get 
> past, I drove over the other side of the hill, glimpsing the wonderful 
> view and came back home for a cool beer in the garden. Balmy or what? 
> Cheers, Dave. PS.? Expect a Covid spike near Dorking anytime soon!
>
>

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 12:34:00 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:34:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
Message-ID: <704132ae-8319-8359-7f0b-559cfccceb6e@gmail.com>

Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the 
front.? This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is 
a bit iffy.? I've used several solutions now, the first being mains 
connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall.

This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a 
high power transmitter or something.? The kitchen wifi has been very 
average and my digital shower has been acting up too. So I found one of 
those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys 
Halo S3 Mesh.

Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The 
instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply 
routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight 
translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for 
something that should have been at the top of the instructions. 
Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you 
know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give 
the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them 
with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.

Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they 
send them out?

B


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jul 18 12:51:35 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:51:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Balmy Saturday!
In-Reply-To: <aafacb7c-478e-51b2-1902-556148bfb90e@ntlworld.com>
References: <aafacb7c-478e-51b2-1902-556148bfb90e@ntlworld.com>
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I was told that the comet is more likely to be visible in the morning sky before sunrise. Less dogging too at that time ( just guessing, obviously I wouldn?t know about such things ).  The comet is supposed to be in the northern sky, quite low on the horizon, which makes it difficult to see from my house unless I walk over to the fields at the back - might give it a try if we get a clear sky.

We had planned to visit some of our favourite restaurants.  Living in the sticks, they?re mostly country pubs, which is fine for us, especially as most of them have outside dining facilities and we?re wary of eating indoors at the moment. We found that few of them allow you to reserve an outside table and none of them have a ban on smoking in the outside dining area. We hate eating when people on the adjacent table are smoking.  As a result, we?re eating at home instead, although tonight will be our first Chinese Takeaway since March.  One of Janet?s colleagues at the hospital got some food from there earlier this week and was impressed that the staff there wear gloves and visors, with proper arrangements for social distancing, all of it way in excess of the guidance issued by the government.  They?re getting a lot of business from hospital staff at a time when other takeaways in town are struggling. 

Alan Taylor

> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:20, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I decided yesterday that I'd like to see the comet, so I looked at various websites to find out where to look. The answer is in the northwest sky, low on the horizon just above where  the sun has recently set - it being still near the sun. 
> 
> A bit of research showed that Staple Hill car park - https://what3words.com/jams.shells.those  would be a good place - on a hill with clear views in the right direction. My wife has never seen a comet, but she was pretty sure that what we'd actually see was a touch of dogging.   As it turned out, the sky was clear apart from where the comet should be, and it was too light anyway.  I don't know how long the comet will be visible, and I rather think that no-one else knows either, so I might try again in a week or so.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> On 18/07/2020 17:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>> My daughter drove up from Somerset yesterday to see us for the first time since V-Day in March. My wife hasn't been out since then and thought it would be nice to have a trip to Box Hill, near Dorking, as it was a lovely sunny day. Driving along the A25 to the Burford Bridge roundabout it looked very busy in the public car park there. On the road up to the top of Box Hill there were cars parked all the way up, the NT car park was full, the public car park was full and there were queues of cars trying to park anywhere! I have never seen so many people there! All packed together, no-one wearing a mask, and as for 'social distancing'- forget it - the crowds had! So, when I could get past, I drove over the other side of the hill, glimpsing the wonderful view and came back home for a cool beer in the garden. Balmy or what? Cheers, Dave. PS.  Expect a Covid spike near Dorking anytime soon! 
>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Jul 18 13:06:49 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:06:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in Germany, but translated into English.

To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.

We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.

Alan Taylor

> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall. 
> 
> This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo S3 Mesh. 
> 
> Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.
> 
> Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send them out?
> 
> B
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 14:18:19 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:18:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Balmy Saturday!
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I decided yesterday that I'd like to see the comet, so I looked at 
various websites to find out where to look. The answer is in the 
northwest sky, low on the horizon just above where? the sun has recently 
set - it being still near the sun.

A bit of research showed that Staple Hill car park - 
https://what3words.com/jams.shells.those would be a good place - on a 
hill with clear views in the right direction. My wife has never seen a 
comet, but she was pretty sure that what we'd actually see was a touch 
of dogging.?? As it turned out, the sky was clear apart from where the 
comet should be, and it was too light anyway.? I don't know how long the 
comet will be visible, and I rather think that no-one else knows either, 
so I might try again in a week or so.

B


On 18/07/2020 17:28, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> My daughter drove up from Somerset yesterday to see us for the first 
> time since V-Day in March. My wife hasn't been out since then and 
> thought it would be nice to have a trip to Box Hill, near Dorking, as 
> it was a lovely sunny day. Driving along the A25 to the Burford Bridge 
> roundabout it looked very busy in the public car park there. On the 
> road up to the top of Box Hill there were cars parked all the way up, 
> the NT car park was full, the public car park was full and there were 
> queues of cars trying to park anywhere! I have never seen so many 
> people there! All packed together, no-one wearing a mask, and as for 
> 'social distancing'- forget it - the crowds had! So, when I could get 
> past, I drove over the other side of the hill, glimpsing the wonderful 
> view and came back home for a cool beer in the garden. Balmy or what? 
> Cheers, Dave. PS.? Expect a Covid spike near Dorking anytime soon!
>
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 18 15:19:16 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (Vernon Dyer)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 21:19:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
In-Reply-To: <33542F9F-8016-4954-9861-29CD8748A1E7@me.com>
References: <704132ae-8319-8359-7f0b-559cfccceb6e@gmail.com>
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?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they send them out??

There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway) do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if it?s still available.

Best wishes  .....  Vern

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

It?s not just the Chinese. ?We have a cookbook originally published in Germany, but translated into English.

To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling stick. ?We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike. ?As Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.

We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.

Alan Taylor


On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.? This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit iffy.? I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall. 

This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a high power transmitter or something.? The kitchen wifi has been very average and my digital shower has been acting up too.? So I found one of those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo S3 Mesh. 

Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.

Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send them out?

B


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Jul 18 17:11:28 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 23:11:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping mirror?.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
To: tech1 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they send them out??

 

There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway) do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if it?s still available.

 

Best wishes  .....  Vern

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

 

It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in Germany, but translated into English.

 

To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.

 

We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.

 

Alan Taylor





  On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall. 

This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo S3 Mesh. 

Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.

Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send them out?

B


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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Jul 18 17:33:54 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 23:33:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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After buying a new caravan with an alarm system installed, I had to admit defeat by referring to the book of words as I couldn?t fathom the system empirically, only to find that I couldn?t fathom the words either. It was an Italian system, so the manual had an Italian version of the instructions as well. Not being very familiar with Italian, I sat down with the manual and an Italian/English dictionary and by cross-referencing between the English and Italian instructions, I ended up with a set of words which worked. So I e-mailed the Italian company (in the nicest possible way) with my version, and was surprised to receive a reply quite quickly, to the effect that I seemed to have got it right and they hoped I would be happy for them to use my instructions in future. No payment was offered or received!

As it transpired, we had no end of false alarms and other issues with the system and by the time we replaced that van (a very long story) Swift had decided that alarm systems weren?t worthwhile anyway, as people always ignore them, and fitted a tracking system instead, which involves absolutely no instructions at all - very difficult to translate!

Mike G


> On 18 Jul 2020, at 23:12, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping mirror?.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>  
> ?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they send them out??
>  
> There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway) do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if it?s still available.
>  
> Best wishes  .....  Vern
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>  
> It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in Germany, but translated into English.
>  
> To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.
>  
> We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.
>  
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall. 
> 
> This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo S3 Mesh. 
> 
> Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.
> 
> Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send them out?
> 
> B
> 
> 
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Jul 19 04:01:13 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:01:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 18 Jul 2020, at 23:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping mirror?.
>  
> Dave Newbitt.
>  
> From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
> To: tech1
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>  
> ?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they send them out??
>  
> There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway) do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if it?s still available.
>  
> Best wishes  .....  Vern
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>  
> It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in Germany, but translated into English.
>  
> To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.
>  
> We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.
>  
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
> ? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall. 
> 
> This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo S3 Mesh. 
> 
> Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.
> 
> Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send them out?
> 
> B
> 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 04:20:23 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:20:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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And there's the frequent warning: "Keep away from children."
KW

On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 10:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the
> instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
> > On 18 Jul 2020, at 23:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> > In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur
> enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping
> mirror?.
> >
> > Dave Newbitt.
> >
> > From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1
> > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
> > To: tech1
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
> >
> > ?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they
> send them out??
> >
> > There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom
> tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway)
> do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were so
> abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if it?s
> still available.
> >
> > Best wishes  .....  Vern
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
> > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> > Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
> > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
> >
> > It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in
> Germany, but translated into English.
> >
> > To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a
> twiddling stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only
> seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As
> Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.
> >
> > We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only
> use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.
> >
> > Alan Taylor
> >
> >
> >> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> > ? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the
> front.  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a
> bit iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains
> connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall.
> >
> > This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a
> high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very
> average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of
> those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo
> S3 Mesh.
> >
> > Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The
> instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply
> routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight
> translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something
> that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review
> site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box
> into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and
> password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you
> know how, ten minutes work.
> >
> > Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they
> send them out?
> >
> > B
> >
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Jul 19 04:39:43 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:39:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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Good advice for actors!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 19 Jul 2020, at 10:20, Keith Wicks <keithwicksuk at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And there's the frequent warning: "Keep away from children."
> KW
> 
> On Sun, 19 Jul 2020 at 10:01, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
> ? 
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
> > On 18 Jul 2020, at 23:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping mirror?.
> >  
> > Dave Newbitt.
> >  
> > From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1
> > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
> > To: tech1
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
> >  
> > ?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they send them out??
> >  
> > There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway) do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if it?s still available.
> >  
> > Best wishes  .....  Vern
> >  
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >  
> > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> > Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
> > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
> >  
> > It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in Germany, but translated into English.
> >  
> > To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.
> >  
> > We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.
> >  
> > Alan Taylor
> > 
> > 
> >> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> > ? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall. 
> > 
> > This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo S3 Mesh. 
> > 
> > Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.
> > 
> > Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send them out?
> > 
> > B
> > 
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From cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 05:00:40 2020
From: cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com (Cliff White)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:00:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
In-Reply-To: <0F711F34-3BEC-4008-8112-0019FADC9D7B@icloud.com>
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This one may be apocryphal, but is worth repeating!
Instruction on a tube of stick deodorant: "Remove cap and push up bottom"


On 7/19/20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the
> instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 18 Jul 2020, at 23:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur
>> enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping
>> mirror?.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>
>> ?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they
>> send them out??
>>
>> There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom
>> tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway)
>> do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were
>> so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if
>> it?s still available.
>>
>> Best wishes  .....  Vern
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>
>> It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in
>> Germany, but translated into English.
>>
>> To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling
>> stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to
>> know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain
>> Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.
>>
>> We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use
>> LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>> ? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.
>>  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit
>> iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors,
>> and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall.
>>
>> This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a
>> high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very
>> average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of
>> those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo
>> S3 Mesh.
>>
>> Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The
>> instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply
>> routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight
>> translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something
>> that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review
>> site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box
>> into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and
>> password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you
>> know how, ten minutes work.
>>
>> Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send
>> them out?
>>
>> B
>>
>>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jul 19 05:44:34 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:44:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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I?ve found the ?Game of Cricket? as explained to a foreigner:
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in. Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out. When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side that?s been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out. Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in. There are two men called umpires who stay all out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out. When both sides have been in and all the men have been out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
Clear?
Pat


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From: Cliff White via Tech1
Sent: 19 July 2020 11:00
To: Graeme Wall
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

This one may be apocryphal, but is worth repeating!
Instruction on a tube of stick deodorant: "Remove cap and push up bottom"


On 7/19/20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the
> instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 18 Jul 2020, at 23:11, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur
>> enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping
>> mirror?.
>>
>> Dave Newbitt.
>>
>> From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1
>> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
>> To: tech1
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>
>> ?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they
>> send them out??
>>
>> There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom
>> tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway)
>> do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were
>> so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if
>> it?s still available.
>>
>> Best wishes  .....  Vern
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
>> Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
>> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>
>> It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in
>> Germany, but translated into English.
>>
>> To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling
>> stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to
>> know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain
>> Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.
>>
>> We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use
>> LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>> On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>> ? Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.
>>  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit
>> iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors,
>> and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall.
>>
>> This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a
>> high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very
>> average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of
>> those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo
>> S3 Mesh.
>>
>> Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The
>> instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply
>> routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight
>> translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something
>> that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review
>> site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box
>> into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and
>> password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you
>> know how, ten minutes work.
>>
>> Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send
>> them out?
>>
>> B
>>
>>
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From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:48:43 +0100
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Confusing instructions:
Sign in a Village Hall kitchen:
?Tea ladies are requested to rinse out teapots and stand upside down in the sink?

Pat

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From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: 19 July 2020 10:01
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
? 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 19 05:39:13 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:39:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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I've got an Akai 1/4". Still works, which is a miracle.

For warranty repairs in the manual it says 'see agent stamped on the
backside' They obviously understood UK Hi-Fi dealers. ;-)  


In article <DB39955ECE05494585CF62FF052C3E86 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>,
   David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> In the early 60?s when the Pentax SLR was a front runner with amateur enthusiasts, the instructions famously advised ?do not touch the flipping mirror?.

> Dave Newbitt.

> From: Vernon Dyer via Tech1 
> Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 9:19 PM
> To: tech1 
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

> ?Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punters before they send them out??

>  

> There is (or used to be) a famous set of instructions for setting zoom tracking, something all of us (well, on the camera side of things, anyway) do, or in my case did, without thinking too much about it, but they were so abstruse and wordy as to be hilariously incomprehensible.  I wonder if it?s still available.

>  

> Best wishes  .....  Vern

>  

> Sent from Mail for Windows 10

>  

> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
> Sent: 18 July 2020 19:07
> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

>  

> It?s not just the Chinese.  We have a cookbook originally published in Germany, but translated into English.

>  

> To make Th?ringen potato dumplings, we apparently need to use a twiddling stick.  We haven?t a clue what they look like, the internet only seems to know twiddling sticks as a type of lure for catching pike.  As Captain Mainwearing might have said, ?Don?t twiddle your stick, Pike?.

>  

> We also have a lamp fitting which came with a label warning us to only use LED bulbs as it wasn?t suitable for indecent lights.

>  

> Alan Taylor





>   On 18 Jul 2020, at 18:34, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> # Our house is sort of long, and the wifi router is upstairs at the front.  This means that in the kitchen, downstairs at the back, wifi is a bit iffy.  I've used several solutions now, the first being mains connectors, and the second a TP Link wifi extender in the upstairs hall. 

> This has been fine till recently, but I think someone nearby has added a high power transmitter or something.  The kitchen wifi has been very average and my digital shower has been acting up too.  So I found one of those new mesh solutions - three small white boxes called a Mercusys Halo S3 Mesh. 

> Then I've just spent half the afternoon trying to install them. The instructions assume that you're in a country where they don't supply routers, and are, in any case, completely opaque, obviousely a straight translation. I spent a long time hunting around the internet for something that should have been at the top of the instructions. Eventually a review site said it was easy, and indeed it was, once you know how - plug one box into the (Virgin) router, connect via wifi, give the network a name and password, fire up the other boxes and pair them with the first. Once you know how, ten minutes work.

> Why don't manufacturers test their instructions on punter before they send them out?

> B


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From nick at nickway.co.uk  Sun Jul 19 05:59:45 2020
From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:59:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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From tonynuttall at me.com  Sun Jul 19 06:10:15 2020
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:10:15 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] =?utf-8?q?WKBK_Pics__1946_from_=22Eyes_of_a_Generation?=
 =?utf-8?q?=22__face_Book_by_Aaron_Bolton?=
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While I was working at WTMJ-TV, I worked on a project to digitize historic station photos in our archives. Part of this project included digitizing negatives of which we did not have prints.

One day, I came across a envelope of large format negatives, labeled "WBKB Chicago". At some point (circa 1946 from what I could tell) a party from the Milwaukee Journal, in the process of building WMJT (Milwaukee Journal Television, canceled due to the war, and revived after as WTMJ-TV) took a trip down to Chicago to observe operations at WBKB, and brought one of the Journal newspaper photographers (known only as "BOYD", scribbled in the margins of the negatives) along.

I think I might have shared a handful of these in the past, but I'm tired of having these sit unseen on my hard drive. It is time to let them out for the world to see!

One set of comments says that the Station was operated by women during the war but when the war
ended they were "asked politely to go and do the laundry!

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Jul 19 06:45:54 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 12:45:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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And the sign, presumbly for transvestites, ?Gentlemen adjust your dress before leaving"
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 19 Jul 2020, at 11:59, Nick Way <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ...and in a British Gentlemen's Club, a sign near the urinals:
> 
> We aim to please, you aim too, please!
> 
> With best wishes,
> 
> The Other Nick W.
>> On 19 July 2020 at 11:48 patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 
>> 
>> Confusing instructions:
>> 
>> Sign in a Village Hall kitchen:
>> 
>> ?Tea ladies are requested to rinse out teapots and stand upside down in the sink?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Pat
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>> Sent: 19 July 2020 10:01
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  	
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
>> www.avast.com
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> 
>  



From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jul 19 09:23:36 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:23:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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Will this topic stretch as far as typos? In the 1960's, the Black Horse Inn 
in Taunton was enthusiastically promoting the merits of it's pub menu. Due 
to a small but significant lost vowel the promotion read "Varied men at 
reasonable prices".

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:45 PM
To: Nick Way
Cc: patheigham ; Tech ops ; David Newbitt
Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.

And the sign, presumbly for transvestites, ?Gentlemen adjust your dress 
before leaving"
?
Graeme Wall


> On 19 Jul 2020, at 11:59, Nick Way <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
>
> ...and in a British Gentlemen's Club, a sign near the urinals:
>
> We aim to please, you aim too, please!
>
> With best wishes,
>
> The Other Nick W.
>> On 19 July 2020 at 11:48 patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Confusing instructions:
>>
>> Sign in a Village Hall kitchen:
>>
>> ?Tea ladies are requested to rinse out teapots and stand upside down in 
>> the sink?
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>> Sent: 19 July 2020 10:01
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the 
>> instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> www.avast.com
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>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
> 



From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jul 19 09:40:38 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:40:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
In-Reply-To: <CFE18AF83AF8484EAB6741FDD6A1F591@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <CFE18AF83AF8484EAB6741FDD6A1F591@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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Once on an OB, we went for lunch in the nearest pub, which was on quite a busy road.  Outside was a chalkboard advertising the meals, but it had a spelling mistake.

When one of the crew pointed out the error, the landlord laughed and explained that they do it on purpose because hardly a day goes by without a passer by stopping to tell them about the error and they buy a pint while they?re there.  

Sure enough, every day we were there a different spelling mistake alienated on the roadside board.

With regards to signs outside pubs, west of Newbury on the A4 near where ?Bake Off? is filmed, there were two pubs on opposite sides of the road, they were rivals and no love was lost between them.  One put out a board saying ?Hiring bar staff, cooks and waiters?.  The other displayed a board saying ?Happy staff make our customers happy?. I think the first one has since closed down.

Alan Taylor

> On 19 Jul 2020, at 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Will this topic stretch as far as typos? In the 1960's, the Black Horse Inn in Taunton was enthusiastically promoting the merits of it's pub menu. Due to a small but significant lost vowel the promotion read "Varied men at reasonable prices".
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: Nick Way
> Cc: patheigham ; Tech ops ; David Newbitt
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
> 
> And the sign, presumbly for transvestites, ?Gentlemen adjust your dress before leaving"
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2020, at 11:59, Nick Way <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ...and in a British Gentlemen's Club, a sign near the urinals:
>> 
>> We aim to please, you aim too, please!
>> 
>> With best wishes,
>> 
>> The Other Nick W.
>>>> On 19 July 2020 at 11:48 patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Confusing instructions:
>>> 
>>> Sign in a Village Hall kitchen:
>>> 
>>> ?Tea ladies are requested to rinse out teapots and stand upside down in the sink?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>> Sent: 19 July 2020 10:01
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> www.avast.com
>>> 
>>> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jul 19 09:49:28 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:49:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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Heaven knows where the word ?alienated? came from.  Presumably some sort of auto corrupt which kicks in when mentioning spelling errors.

Alan Taylor


> On 19 Jul 2020, at 15:41, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Once on an OB, we went for lunch in the nearest pub, which was on quite a busy road.  Outside was a chalkboard advertising the meals, but it had a spelling mistake.
> 
> When one of the crew pointed out the error, the landlord laughed and explained that they do it on purpose because hardly a day goes by without a passer by stopping to tell them about the error and they buy a pint while they?re there.  
> 
> Sure enough, every day we were there a different spelling mistake alienated on the roadside board.
> 
> With regards to signs outside pubs, west of Newbury on the A4 near where ?Bake Off? is filmed, there were two pubs on opposite sides of the road, they were rivals and no love was lost between them.  One put out a board saying ?Hiring bar staff, cooks and waiters?.  The other displayed a board saying ?Happy staff make our customers happy?. I think the first one has since closed down.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2020, at 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Will this topic stretch as far as typos? In the 1960's, the Black Horse Inn in Taunton was enthusiastically promoting the merits of it's pub menu. Due to a small but significant lost vowel the promotion read "Varied men at reasonable prices".
>> 
>> Dave Newbitt.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall
>> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:45 PM
>> To: Nick Way
>> Cc: patheigham ; Tech ops ; David Newbitt
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>> 
>> And the sign, presumbly for transvestites, ?Gentlemen adjust your dress before leaving"
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 19 Jul 2020, at 11:59, Nick Way <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ...and in a British Gentlemen's Club, a sign near the urinals:
>>> 
>>> We aim to please, you aim too, please!
>>> 
>>> With best wishes,
>>> 
>>> The Other Nick W.
>>>>> On 19 July 2020 at 11:48 patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Confusing instructions:
>>>> 
>>>> Sign in a Village Hall kitchen:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Tea ladies are requested to rinse out teapots and stand upside down in the sink?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Pat
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 19 July 2020 10:01
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
>>>> 
>>>> ?
>>>> 
>>>> Graeme Wall
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>>> www.avast.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 20 04:43:43 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:43:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
In-Reply-To: <D3D6420D-E7AE-40D4-A61B-2038E04E63C3@me.com>
References: <CFE18AF83AF8484EAB6741FDD6A1F591@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
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 On the subject of instructions, does anyone have a copy of the instruction leaflet, issued by the BBC, explaining to TV Centre Staff how to use a revolving door?
There really was one, Honest! Sadly, I never got a copy.
When the new Reception Area opened on Wood Lane, the revolving doors had a counter-intuitive action, which caused a number of minor injuries. BBC Management, unable to believe that there was anything wrong with their expensive new doors, assumed that the problem must be due to Staff idiocy - so they issued a leaflet, with diagrams, in language designed to explain the completely self-evident to the terminally stupid.
I believe the leaflet was rapidly withdrawn after howls of protest, but I love to read a copy.
luv, Roger.?
    On Sunday, 19 July 2020, 15:41:12 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 Once on an OB, we went for lunch in the nearest pub, which was on quite a busy road.? Outside was a chalkboard advertising the meals, but it had a spelling mistake.

When one of the crew pointed out the error, the landlord laughed and explained that they do it on purpose because hardly a day goes by without a passer by stopping to tell them about the error and they buy a pint while they?re there.? 

Sure enough, every day we were there a different spelling mistake alienated on the roadside board.

With regards to signs outside pubs, west of Newbury on the A4 near where ?Bake Off? is filmed, there were two pubs on opposite sides of the road, they were rivals and no love was lost between them.? One put out a board saying ?Hiring bar staff, cooks and waiters?.? The other displayed a board saying ?Happy staff make our customers happy?. I think the first one has since closed down.

Alan Taylor

> On 19 Jul 2020, at 15:24, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Will this topic stretch as far as typos? In the 1960's, the Black Horse Inn in Taunton was enthusiastically promoting the merits of it's pub menu. Due to a small but significant lost vowel the promotion read "Varied men at reasonable prices".
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall
> Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2020 12:45 PM
> To: Nick Way
> Cc: patheigham ; Tech ops ; David Newbitt
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
> 
> And the sign, presumbly for transvestites, ?Gentlemen adjust your dress before leaving"
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 19 Jul 2020, at 11:59, Nick Way <nick at nickway.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ...and in a British Gentlemen's Club, a sign near the urinals:
>> 
>> We aim to please, you aim too, please!
>> 
>> With best wishes,
>> 
>> The Other Nick W.
>>>> On 19 July 2020 at 11:48 patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Confusing instructions:
>>> 
>>> Sign in a Village Hall kitchen:
>>> 
>>> ?Tea ladies are requested to rinse out teapots and stand upside down in the sink?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>>> Sent: 19 July 2020 10:01
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Didn?t always need translations to raise eyebrows, my favouite was the instruction on the lids of jam-jars: Pierce with a pin and push off
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> 
>>> Graeme Wall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>>> www.avast.com
>>> 
>>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 20 06:34:15 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:34:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] The joy of Chinese instructions.
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Hi,

I think Roger wanted this some time ago: I couldn't find it then, but it 
may be appropriate now!



-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 20 15:14:44 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 21:14:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
Message-ID: <7be5ac7b-a35a-13ff-c34b-4680561f8f02@btinternet.com>

My latest is 'ready salted' and 'crisps'! In the past I could taste the 
salt but these days I find that I have to add salt to get the correct 
taste. Or are my taste buds giving up? Cheers, Dave



From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jul 20 17:04:40 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
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I hope not Dave, that?s one of the Covid symptoms.
But it is true, food manufacturers have taken it on themselves to reduce salt (and sugar, etc.,) in their products, and because salt is a taste bud stimulator, and thereby a flavour enhancer, we often need to add salt to meet our hopes and expectations. Not just you, me too. And, I find sea salt less effective than good old Sodium Chloride.
Would others agree?
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 20 Jul 2020, at 21:16, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?My latest is 'ready salted' and 'crisps'! In the past I could taste the salt but these days I find that I have to add salt to get the correct taste. Or are my taste buds giving up? Cheers, Dave
> 
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 20 18:31:16 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 00:31:16 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Entertainment
Message-ID: <012c9462-a906-811a-12c2-8ee0273420ce@btinternet.com>

I came across a foreign video the other day which, very thoughtfully, 
had added colour bars at the start so that you could adjust your viewing 
device! How thoughtful is that? Cheers, Dave



From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jul 21 04:19:42 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:19:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB03516E2F5F59AC70836A0A8CA77B0@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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On 20/07/2020 23:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> .... And, I find sea salt less effective than good old Sodium Chloride.
>
I rather hope your sea salt is also tolerably pure sodium chloride;}

Sea salt can contain a few percent more water than fine table salt, but 
I suspect the difference is the grain size. There's been quite a lot of 
research on the mouthfeel, grain size, surface area and other factors 
that alter one's perception of saltiness (and almost every flavour). 
Salted butter is a good example - find one with fine grain salt 
dissolved all the way through, and then one that uses rough grained salt 
crystals - they taste quite different, even if the salt content (by 
weight) is the same.

Chris Woolf




From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 21 05:46:00 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 11:46:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
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I?m sure we remember Smiths Crisps with the salt contained in a little twist of blue paper, so one could decide on the amount to add to taste.
But crisps reminds me of the bigger bullies at school, who used to lie in wait for us smaller kids to leave the tuck shop, then creep up behind us, wrap their hands around our crisps packet and crush the contents ? nice!
I sort of retaliated by appearing in a school play, thankfully not Shakespeare! Got a name check and appreciative comment on my performance in the local Surrey Advertiser. Obviously I was destined for a career in showbiz, even though it turned out to be behind the camera!
Regards
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 20 July 2020 21:15
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons

My latest is 'ready salted' and 'crisps'! In the past I could taste the 
salt but these days I find that I have to add salt to get the correct 
taste. Or are my taste buds giving up? Cheers, Dave


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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Tue Jul 21 06:00:30 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:00:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
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On 21/07/2020 11:46, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> ...
>
> But crisps reminds me of the bigger bullies at school, who used to lie 
> in wait for us smaller kids to leave the tuck shop, then creep up 
> behind us, wrap their hands around our crisps packet and crush the 
> contents ? nice!
>
>
Had a kid at our school? who got fed up with that. He pre-loaded a 
Smiths bag (they were glacine, and not very transparent) with broken 
test tubes ....

Chris Woolf


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 21 06:41:44 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:41:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
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Wish I?d thought of that!

The two class bullies ? my bete-noirs ? have probably grown up to be upright model citizens, or maybe tiresome politicians!

Pat

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From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
Sent: 21 July 2020 12:00
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Oxymorons


On 21/07/2020 11:46, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
...
But crisps reminds me of the bigger bullies at school, who used to lie in wait for us smaller kids to leave the tuck shop, then creep up behind us, wrap their hands around our crisps packet and crush the contents ? nice!

Had a kid at our school? who got fed up with that. He pre-loaded a Smiths bag (they were glacine, and not very transparent) with broken test tubes ....
Chris Woolf




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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 21 07:39:59 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:39:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
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In article <5f16d478.1c69fb81.8f08f.bdea at mx.google.com>,
   patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Wish I?d thought of that!

> The two class bullies ? my bete-noirs ? have probably grown up to be
> upright model citizens, or maybe tiresome politicians!

Notorious one in my year at school became a policeman. But having met him
in later life, seems to have changed.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 05:40:34 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:40:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid-19 Vaccine Testing
Message-ID: <48256a91-1d0c-8382-ef65-c5898a49839d@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

My elder daughter Katie has been involved in the Oxford University 
vaccine trials for Covid-19.

She was randomly assigned to one of two groups (one a control group 
given a meningitis vaccine)? in a double blind study, and of course she 
does not know to which group she was assigned .


The results have today been published in "The Lancet".?? Here is a brief 
Summary:


          /*Summary*/

/The Phase 1 data for our coronavirus vaccine shows that the vaccine 
raised no safety concerns, did not lead to any unexpected symptoms in 
those who received it, and was very similar to other vaccines of this type./

/The immune responses that were made following vaccination are exactly 
the kind of responses that we think might be associated with protection, 
though we must continue with our rigorous clinical trial programme to 
confirm whether the responses we have seen are sufficient. Importantly, 
we saw an even greater immune response in participants who received two 
doses of the vaccine, indicating that this might be a good strategy for 
vaccination./

/These encouraging results support large scale evaluation of this 
candidate vaccine in an ongoing Phase III programme, that is still 
needed to prove the vaccine will protect people from the virus./

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Alec

Alec Bray

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Wed Jul 22 06:00:51 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:00:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Covid-19 Vaccine Testing
In-Reply-To: <48256a91-1d0c-8382-ef65-c5898a49839d@gmail.com>
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Good news for everyone.

Presumably now they have the results in they will inform those who had the placebo they will still need to be vaccinated.

Graeme Wall

> On 22 Jul 2020, at 11:41, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi everyone,
> 
> My elder daughter Katie has been involved in the Oxford University vaccine trials for Covid-19.
> 
> <alklcijppifpnhjk.png>
> 
>  
> 
> She was randomly assigned to one of two groups (one a control group given a meningitis vaccine)  in a double blind study, and of course she does not know to which group she was assigned .
> 
> 
> 
> <gmogfhmahpakhphb.png>
> 
> The results have today been published in "The Lancet".   Here is a brief Summary:
> 
> Summary
> 
> The Phase 1 data for our coronavirus vaccine shows that the vaccine raised no safety concerns, did not lead to any unexpected symptoms in those who received it, and was very similar to other vaccines of this type.
> 
> The immune responses that were made following vaccination are exactly the kind of responses that we think might be associated with protection, though we must continue with our rigorous clinical trial programme to confirm whether the responses we have seen are sufficient. Importantly, we saw an even greater immune response in participants who received two doses of the vaccine, indicating that this might be a good strategy for vaccination.
> 
> These encouraging results support large scale evaluation of this candidate vaccine in an ongoing Phase III programme, that is still needed to prove the vaccine will protect people from the virus.
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
> 
> Alec
> 
> Alec Bray
> 
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Jul 22 14:41:30 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 19:41:30 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03511760813D76974E5A5791A7790@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?
?The only bully I encountered at prep school was a boy called Jeremy. Not a name you immediately associate with bullying (perhaps that?s my oxymoron), but he took an instant dislike to me because I was a skinny sport-hating weakling and he was just the opposite. He made my life a misery, and I hated him as much as he hated me.
Spool on through my years at Wells, then Guildford Art School, to when I joined the Beeb. Our crew, Crew 2, did mainly drama, and it was on a Rudolph Cartier play that I noticed a pretty blonde extra who looked uncannily like Jeremy, only much prettier. A beautiful girl with wavy blonde hair, and the same unusual surname as the prep school bully, which is why I made the connection. I asked, and she actually was Jeremy?s sister! We chatted and I asked her ?out?. In the 1960?s that assumed more than it might today, and I got to know her rather well. If that wasn't Good Karma, I don?t know what is!
No crisps or test tubes were harmed in the telling of this story.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 21 Jul 2020, at 12:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Wish I?d thought of that!

The two class bullies ? my bete-noirs ? have probably grown up to be upright model citizens, or maybe tiresome politicians!

Pat

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Sent: 21 July 2020 12:00
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Subject: Re: [Tech1] Oxymorons



On 21/07/2020 11:46, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
...
But crisps reminds me of the bigger bullies at school, who used to lie in wait for us smaller kids to leave the tuck shop, then creep up behind us, wrap their hands around our crisps packet and crush the contents ? nice!


Had a kid at our school  who got fed up with that. He pre-loaded a Smiths bag (they were glacine, and not very transparent) with broken test tubes ....

Chris Woolf





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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Wed Jul 22 18:02:28 2020
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 00:02:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Oxymorons
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It is certainly true when Parkinson's Disease is part of the equation. 
To make an acceptably 'sharp' sandwich I have to combine a strength 6 
cheddar cheese with a smear of Marmite.

BTW Sainsburys are re-introducing their version of Marmite called 
alluringly 'Sainsburys Yeast Extract' the previous version was more 
subtle than Marmjte but I doubt if I would notice nowadays for the 
reason above.

Hibou.


On 20/07/2020 21:14, dave.mdv via Tech1
> My latest is 'ready salted' and 'crisps'! In the past I could taste 
> the salt but these days I find that I have to add salt to get the 
> correct taste. Or are my taste buds giving up? Cheers, Dave
>
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From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 23 03:54:44 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 09:54:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA  PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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Chaps, I have a considerable quantity of PER 368, 900? 5 ? Rolls of quarter inch, standard BBC stock for Nagra recorders.
It needs to be erased before eBaying , passing it through my Stereo Nagra is one option, but I have a Ferrograph 18 w defluxer, is that man enough ?And how to demag?
We used to use a huge grey fish frier for bulk mag reclaim, that was a tedious job?.
Roger



From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Jul 23 04:29:40 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:29:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA  PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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Many years ago I was given a dozen or so rolls of used tape.  They guy who gave them to me told me that he had erased them by using a head defluxer.  When I listened to the tapes, his previous recordings were mostly audible, so I erased them properly by recording silence at 15ips over them before using them for my recordings.

I don't know which defluxer he owned or how he used it on the tapes, but his results were pretty ineffective, however, intuitively I would have expected it to work. As you have a recorder, you could record something, try erasing it with the defluxer and listen to hear if it worked and then decide whether the technique works sufficiently well.

Alan Taylor


On 23 Jul 2020, at 23 Jul . 09:54, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Chaps, I have a considerable quantity of PER 368, 900? 5 ? Rolls of quarter inch, standard BBC stock for Nagra recorders.
> It needs to be erased before eBaying , passing it through my Stereo Nagra is one option, but I have a Ferrograph 18 w defluxer, is that man enough ?And how to demag?
> We used to use a huge grey fish frier for bulk mag reclaim, that was a tedious job?.
> Roger
> 
> 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 06:23:06 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:23:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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Somewhere, I have a domestic hand-held bulk eraser which should do the job.
You are welcome to borrow it, assuming I can find it. I am not familiar
with the Ferrograph defluxer you mention. If all else fails, I'd be
inclined to pass a permanent magnet over the recordings. This might leave
patches of sound on the tapes, but these should be unintelligible and the
tapes would be OK for recording new material. If you wish to borrow my bulk
eraser, just let me know and I'll start a search (it's a long time since I
played with reel-to-reel stuff).

On a related subject, I wish to obtain a tape head demagnetiser. If anyone
has one, please state model and price. Or I might have something you'd like
in exchange. The demagnetiser is for a Revox cassette recorder. Whether or
not such machines need a head demagnetiser is a matter of dispute, but
Revox suggest it is necessary, and I'm not inclined to disagree with them.

KW


On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 09:55, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Chaps, I have a considerable quantity of PER 368, 900? 5 ? Rolls of
> quarter inch, standard BBC stock for Nagra recorders.
> It needs to be erased before eBaying , passing it through my Stereo Nagra
> is one option, but I have a Ferrograph 18 w defluxer, is that man enough
> ?And how to demag?
> We used to use a huge grey fish frier for bulk mag reclaim, that was a
> tedious job?.
> Roger
>
>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 23 06:29:52 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:29:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] FW:  AGFA  PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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Hi Roger,
I have a bulk tape eraser, (spool rotates by hand on a spindle).
You are welcome to borrow it, depending on where you are in the country. I?m based in Great Bookham, near Leatherhead in Surrey.
Like you, I have a number of tape reels, but I still have my Nagra IV-S, with the 10 ?? Nab spool adaptor.
Don?t think the de-fluxer would be sufficient.
E-bay advertises some erasers, from the USA, but these appear to be handheld devices.
Best
Pat

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From: Roger E Long via Tech1
Sent: 23 July 2020 09:55
To: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.

Chaps, I have a considerable quantity of PER 368, 900? 5 ? Rolls of quarter inch, standard BBC stock for Nagra recorders.
It needs to be erased before eBaying , passing it through my Stereo Nagra is one option, but I have a Ferrograph 18 w defluxer, is that man enough ?And how to demag?
We used to use a huge grey fish frier for bulk mag reclaim, that was a tedious job?.
Roger


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 23 06:39:57 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 12:39:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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Hi Keith,
I?ve got a Ferrograph head de-magnetiser, but like you, it?s somewhere! Where are you living? You are welcome to borrow, but I would rather not sell it.
Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
Sent: 23 July 2020 12:23
To: Roger E Long
Cc: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
Subject: Re: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.

On a related subject, I wish to obtain a tape head demagnetiser. If anyone has one, please state model and price. 

KW


On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 09:55, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
Chaps, I have a considerable quantity of PER 368, 900? 5 ? Rolls of quarter inch, standard BBC stock for Nagra recorders.
It needs to be erased before eBaying , passing it through my Stereo Nagra is one option, but I have a Ferrograph 18 w defluxer, is that man enough ?And how to demag?
We used to use a huge grey fish frier for bulk mag reclaim, that was a tedious job?.
Roger


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From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 23 08:53:44 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 14:53:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <5f19770c.1c69fb81.ba5ae.1ac5@mx.google.com>
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Thanks chaps
Anybody got a pic of their hand held de magnetiser?
I live in Stroud
Are they postable?
Nagra IV S TC with NAB adaptors go for big money on the Bay Pat. ?4.5 k.....
I have just sold an IS for ?1850 And a 4.2 for ?1800 hence my interest in my tape stock 
Wonders never cease
20 yrs ago Kudelskis jewels could not be given away !
Roger

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Jul 2020, at 12:39, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Keith,
> I?ve got a Ferrograph head de-magnetiser, but like you, it?s somewhere! Where are you living? You are welcome to borrow, but I would rather not sell it.
> Best
> Pat
> <2102B78A1A8F4FADA6BF0661CFA6F6D0.jpg>
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> From: Keith Wicks via Tech1
> Sent: 23 July 2020 12:23
> To: Roger E Long
> Cc: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
>  
> On a related subject, I wish to obtain a tape head demagnetiser. If anyone has one, please state model and price.
>  
> KW
>  
>  
> On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 09:55, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Chaps, I have a considerable quantity of PER 368, 900? 5 ? Rolls of quarter inch, standard BBC stock for Nagra recorders.
> It needs to be erased before eBaying , passing it through my Stereo Nagra is one option, but I have a Ferrograph 18 w defluxer, is that man enough ?And how to demag?
> We used to use a huge grey fish frier for bulk mag reclaim, that was a tedious job?.
> Roger
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 23 09:32:20 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:32:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <A593D915-7040-4D18-B0FA-3494EFD06D3C@btinternet.com>
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Thanks chaps
Anybody got a pic of their hand held de magnetiser?
I live in Stroud
If you mean the head de-magnetiser, this is the Ferrograph one.
Are they postable?
Yes, but with a bag of gold to Royal Mail!
Nagra IV S TC with NAB adaptors go for big money on the Bay Pat. ?4.5 k.....
Wow! Mine?s not a TC version, but I had a great day out collecting it from the factory in person. It?s still mint condition and I love it to bits!
I keep a Swiss 10c coin to operate the slot switches!
I have just sold an IS for ?1850 And a 4.2 for ?1800 hence my interest in my tape stock.
Grrrr! I sold my IS to a friend who liked to make 16mm movies ? he had a Bolex H16 with a pulse o/p motor, for ?300! He was well pleased!
Wonders never cease
20 yrs ago Kudelskis jewels could not be given away !
When lovely David Lane was alive, I used to drive down to his Torquay home for them to be serviced, and he sent them back via Red Star ? remember that facility?
I attach a discourse about the work on ?Fiddler on the Roof? an interesting exercise in converting a Nagra 4.2 to twin-track!
(Yes, Nick ? I?ve probably posted it before!)
Pat






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From relong at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 23 09:44:54 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:44:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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Hand held bulk eraser Pat
I have the Ferrograph head de magger.
David Lane was a great technician, Torquay a mini Switzerland?
Im about to sell a pile of IV S TC accessories ,including his Line to mic amp , TC resolver and playback synchroniser and vary speed
Roger
Keeping the IV,STC for the kids, DT 48s on the Bay though?.

> On 23 Jul 2020, at 15:32, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks chaps
> Anybody got a pic of their hand held de magnetiser?
> I live in Stroud
> If you mean the head de-magnetiser, this is the Ferrograph one.
> Are they postable?
> Yes, but with a bag of gold to Royal Mail!
> Nagra IV S TC with NAB adaptors go for big money on the Bay Pat. ?4.5 k.....
> Wow! Mine?s not a TC version, but I had a great day out collecting it from the factory in person. It?s still mint condition and I love it to bits!
> I keep a Swiss 10c coin to operate the slot switches!
> I have just sold an IS for ?1850 And a 4.2 for ?1800 hence my interest in my tape stock.
> Grrrr! I sold my IS to a friend who liked to make 16mm movies ? he had a Bolex H16 with a pulse o/p motor, for ?300! He was well pleased!
> Wonders never cease
> 20 yrs ago Kudelskis jewels could not be given away !
> When lovely David Lane was alive, I used to drive down to his Torquay home for them to be serviced, and he sent them back via Red Star ? remember that facility?
> 
> I attach a discourse about the work on ?Fiddler on the Roof? an interesting exercise in converting a Nagra 4.2 to twin-track!
> 
> (Yes, Nick ? I?ve probably posted it before!)
> Pat
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul 24 08:31:51 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:31:51 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <A593D915-7040-4D18-B0FA-3494EFD06D3C@btinternet.com>
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Once PCM-F1 and DAT were here I got rid of my Nagras while the going was good, though I did rather generously sell the IS to a WSCAD film student for a mere ?600. It had earned its keep many times over though, so I didn?t feel too bad about it, and his need was greater than mine.
Had a love-hate relationship with the QGB NAB adaptor, I?m sorry to say. Far too clumsy and unpredictable for my liking. Had it been mains powered, with heftier motors, stronger servo-braking etc., it might have been another matter. I don?t think very many were made, hence their collectable status currently.
But I couldn?t bring myself to part with the adorable Nagra SN. I still have that in pristine condition with all its accessories, currently being used as a desk paperweight. At present rate of progress it will soon be worth as much as my pension fund!
[cid:E4BCA237-D990-4C8E-84E1-EEC6234E35F6]
So that the SN isn?t totally redundant I have put some contemporary radio shows, mainly Goon Shows, onto SN tapes that I let it play to me occasionally.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 23 Jul 2020, at 14:54, Roger Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Thanks chaps
Anybody got a pic of their hand held de magnetiser?
I live in Stroud
Are they postable?
Nagra IV S TC with NAB adaptors go for big money on the Bay Pat. ?4.5 k.....
I have just sold an IS for ?1850 And a 4.2 for ?1800 hence my interest in my tape stock
Wonders never cease
20 yrs ago Kudelskis jewels could not be given away !
Roger

Sent from my iPhone

On 23 Jul 2020, at 12:39, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

?
Hi Keith,
I?ve got a Ferrograph head de-magnetiser, but like you, it?s somewhere! Where are you living? You are welcome to borrow, but I would rather not sell it.
Best
Pat
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From: Keith Wicks via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 23 July 2020 12:23
To: Roger E Long<mailto:relong at btinternet.com>
Cc: Tech-Ops. co. uk email group<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.

On a related subject, I wish to obtain a tape head demagnetiser. If anyone has one, please state model and price.

KW


On Thu, 23 Jul 2020 at 09:55, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
Chaps, I have a considerable quantity of PER 368, 900? 5 ? Rolls of quarter inch, standard BBC stock for Nagra recorders.
It needs to be erased before eBaying , passing it through my Stereo Nagra is one option, but I have a Ferrograph 18 w defluxer, is that man enough ?And how to demag?
We used to use a huge grey fish frier for bulk mag reclaim, that was a tedious job?.
Roger


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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 24 10:26:34 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:26:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their
electric car as well as the tube? ;-)

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 24 10:38:15 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 16:38:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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I did enjoy the luxury of being able to get a taxi to and from BH ?cos I had agreed to take the tapes!
Barry.



On 24 Jul 2020, at 16:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their
> electric car as well as the tube? ;-)
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 11:40:03 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:40:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Picard
Message-ID: <3030fa35-242a-b475-dcdf-eaeb771c97e2@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Some time back, Bernie alerted us all to the series of "Picard" - a Star 
Trek story picking up 14 years after Jean-Luc Picard left StarFleet.? At 
that time, Bernie had to get it from the States.(Thanks, Bernie, for 
telling us about Picard)

Well, it is now available on Amazon Prime - and by some mysterious 
reason (possibly because of the stuff we've bought during lockdown) we 
have been offered Amazon Prime for ONE MONTH FREE!

So it had to "Picard" and "The Grand Tour".

The first episode of "Picard" includes some scenes of Space.? I was 
struck how similar in style these pictures were to scenes from "Avatar":


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zJVQtx8Y3PilS9KIRtVu7_HksN0kGG2t79HmYtdw6ifWh6wmI5EVlntVUWGHrBQHoiTbdVqbMA21vQ0Nz5Yh4uLlrPjMUcQJmdqowbSaadc






The top two are from "Avatar", the bottom two from "Picard" (sorry for 
the quality - picture taken on phone camera in front of TV).


The other thing that "Picard" reminded me of was "Blake's 7" - 
especially with Seven of Nine on board to be a sort of Avon.? But of 
course, "Blake's 7" was inspired by a number of fictional media - 
including "Star Trek"!


Both Jane and I are enjoying "Picard" - nearly halfway through now? (two 
episodes per sitting")/.


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Alec

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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Jul 24 12:52:06 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:52:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Picard
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 13:31:41 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:31:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Picard
In-Reply-To: <098jf7d1a4g3v2n7hsm2oe1c.1595613126253@pgtmedia.co.uk>
References: <098jf7d1a4g3v2n7hsm2oe1c.1595613126253@pgtmedia.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A1F1B348BB3744729C3E4477715D08C3@0023242e4e14>

Amazon Prime can be paid monthly at ?7.99.  It costs more than the 12-months up front but easier to balance on tighter budgets.

It also offers free Audiobooks, and the free next day postage in that amount.




From: Paul Thackray via Tech1 
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 6:52 PM
To: Alec Bray ; Tech Ops 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Picard

They offer free to everyone! They hope you will forget and pay for a few months or years. 
Paul Thackray

PGT Media Consulting Ltd.

07802 243979

Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk

Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk

Linkedin;   http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746

IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/

sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
      From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
      Sent: 24 July 2020 17:40
      To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
      Reply to: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
      Subject: [Tech1] Picard 


Hi all,

Some time back, Bernie alerted us all to the series of "Picard" - a Star Trek story picking up 14 years after Jean-Luc Picard left StarFleet.  At that time, Bernie had to get it from the States.(Thanks, Bernie, for telling us about Picard)


Well, it is now available on Amazon Prime - and by some mysterious reason (possibly because of the stuff we've bought during lockdown) we have been offered Amazon Prime for ONE MONTH FREE!

So it had to "Picard" and "The Grand Tour".  


The first episode of "Picard" includes some scenes of Space.  I was struck how similar in style these pictures were to scenes from "Avatar":






















The top two are from "Avatar", the bottom two from "Picard" (sorry for the quality - picture taken on phone camera in front of TV).



The other thing that "Picard" reminded me of was "Blake's 7" - especially with Seven of Nine on board to be a sort of Avon.  But of course, "Blake's 7" was inspired by a number of fictional media - including "Star Trek"!



Both Jane and I are enjoying "Picard" - nearly halfway through now  (two episodes per sitting")/.




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Alec

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 24 17:53:20 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 23:53:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] pay TV
In-Reply-To: <A1F1B348BB3744729C3E4477715D08C3@0023242e4e14>
References: <098jf7d1a4g3v2n7hsm2oe1c.1595613126253@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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Every weekend my duty is to go through the next week's TV magazine 
schedules after my wife has indicated what she wants recording on her 
YouView box. She has now got 14 pages of programs to see at 12 programs 
per page. Her box keeps reminding her that programs will be deleted 
unless she watches them and that she is running out of space! This is 
without spending a penny on PPV programs! Thank goodness I won't pay for 
the Murdoch channels, she would never stop viewing! Cheers, Dave

On 24/07/2020 19:31, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote:
> Amazon Prime can be paid monthly at ?7.99.? It costs more than the 
> 12-months up front but easier to balance on tighter budgets.
>
> It also offers free Audiobooks, and the free next day postage in that 
> amount.
>
>
> *From:* Paul Thackray via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent:* Friday, July 24, 2020 6:52 PM
> *To:* Alec Bray <mailto:alec.bray.2 at gmail.com> ; Tech Ops 
> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Picard
> They offer free to everyone! They hope you will forget and pay for a 
> few months or years.
> Paul Thackray
>
> PGT Media Consulting Ltd.
>
> 07802 243979
>
> Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk
>
> Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746
>
> IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/
>
> sent from my BlackBerry?the most secure mobile device?via the O2 Network
> *From:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Sent:* 24 July 2020 17:40
> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Reply to:* alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> *Subject:* [Tech1] Picard
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Some time back, Bernie alerted us all to the series of "Picard" - a 
> Star Trek story picking up 14 years after Jean-Luc Picard left 
> StarFleet.? At that time, Bernie had to get it from the 
> States.(Thanks, Bernie, for telling us about Picard)
>
> Well, it is now available on Amazon Prime - and by some mysterious 
> reason (possibly because of the stuff we've bought during lockdown) we 
> have been offered Amazon Prime for ONE MONTH FREE!
>
> So it had to "Picard" and "The Grand Tour".
>
> The first episode of "Picard" includes some scenes of Space.? I was 
> struck how similar in style these pictures were to scenes from "Avatar":
>
> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zJVQtx8Y3PilS9KIRtVu7_HksN0kGG2t79HmYtdw6ifWh6wmI5EVlntVUWGHrBQHoiTbdVqbMA21vQ0Nz5Yh4uLlrPjMUcQJmdqowbSaadc
>
> The top two are from "Avatar", the bottom two from "Picard" (sorry for 
> the quality - picture taken on phone camera in front of TV).
>
> The other thing that "Picard" reminded me of was "Blake's 7" - 
> especially with Seven of Nine on board to be a sort of Avon.? But of 
> course, "Blake's 7" was inspired by a number of fictional media - 
> including "Star Trek"!
>
> Both Jane and I are enjoying "Picard" - nearly halfway through now? 
> (two episodes per sitting")/.
>
> -- 
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 24 19:12:56 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 01:12:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Pets
Message-ID: <6ec498a6-ea55-216b-e707-3ece8fbd1c10@btinternet.com>

Not long after we were married my wife went with a friend to a house in 
Kew to choose a kitten, for the friend. There were lots of kittens 
available and one chose my wife and wouldn't leave her alone. So we now 
had a pet. This cat became our best ever pet! It was so different to all 
of our other pets it seemed almost human. Here's a couple of pix (from 
my slimmer days!!) from when we took Myshkin to the sea side. He loved 
climbing trees and when we took him up to Nottingham to my parents house 
he went out exploring and always came back to us. He was pure white 
apart from two small black lines on his forehead and he had one blue eye 
and one yellow eye. Just recently, in the Sunday Times, there was an 
article about Vann cats who were famous for swimming in Lake Vann and 
they had odd eyes and were pure white! How did we get one from Kew? 
Cheers, Dave

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Sat Jul 25 06:12:08 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:12:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Broadband suppliers
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References: <098jf7d1a4g3v2n7hsm2oe1c.1595613126253@pgtmedia.co.uk>
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At 11:40 today I noticed that the house broadband (which also carries 
VOIP) had stopped working - the phone line had fallen back to POTS.

I rebooted the Zyxel router, which appeared to be OK but simply didn't 
connect to the DSL line.

At 11:50 I phoned my ISP, who checked from their end and asked me if I 
had a spare router I could try, because the line looked OK to them.

I stuck in an old TP-link and that synced up straight away, so phoned 
the ISP back to tell them.

Yes, he said I can see that, and our records show your router isn't very 
old - I'll send out an FOC replacement on Monday.

Andrews & Arnold are not the cheapest, but it is very hard to fault 
service of that speed, intelligence, and simplicity. All done and dusted 
in <10 minutes.



From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Jul 25 09:12:09 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 15:12:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <92CDFC97-42D3-48FD-B0C3-348C4D0A47C7@btinternet.com>
References: <VI1P189MB0351F658ECF159ED2448C6B5A7770@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<58952480a1davesound@btinternet.com>
	<92CDFC97-42D3-48FD-B0C3-348C4D0A47C7@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5f1c3db9.1c69fb81.ccbf0.6d49@mx.google.com>

Hi Barry,
This was my take on transporting expensively recorded tapes....
I became a Gram Op in order to be able to park. No kidding! In the days before the BBC multi-story, there used to be ample parking at TVC. Behind the scene block, reached from Frithville Gardens, and in front, to the right of the original reception entrance, was a very useful area, open to all and sundry.

However, the extension to TVC, containing TC 6 onwards, encroached upon this ground and so a system of car passes came into force, with a daily quota available to be split between departments. Since there was a shortage of both rehearsal facilities and sound editing rooms (i.e. the galleries), one of the job grades to be allowed a permanent car pass was that of the Gram Op, as we used our cars to attend ?outside rehearsals?, also to reach edit or recording facilities at BH or even Bush, subsequently bringing the precious tapes safely back to TVC.
Having four wheels at Woodnorton opened the door to collecting nurses from Worcester to attend the Thursday night dances at the Club in Evesham. One could check out the talent early, and if nothing was fancied, then the petrol money got turned into beer money and frittered away over Reg?s bar! I do recall both Eric Wallis and I on the transport run, being caught short on the way home, and needed to
add to Piddle Brook.
Happy daze!
Pat



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From: Barry Bonner via Tech1
Sent: 24 July 2020 16:38
To: Dave Plowman
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.

I did enjoy the luxury of being able to get a taxi to and from BH ?cos I had agreed to take the tapes!
Barry.


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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Jul 26 04:35:40 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 10:35:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
Message-ID: <CB2AFA8C-6001-489A-927C-DFF2C5959329@me.com>

I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938.  I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.

John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce.  It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture.  He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted.  The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.

Alan Taylor



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sun Jul 26 14:34:53 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 20:34:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] email delay
Message-ID: <BCBDC067F2364C4F97EFDE77B70B3FC1@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Can anyone enlighten me as to what might lie behind delays on email delivery? I sent two emails to my son on Friday evening at 8.20 pm and 10 pm. Both arrived some hours later in the small hours, by which time I had presumed they were lost in the ether.

Is this something I should complain to my ISP about or just accept that an explanation may not be possible?

Thanks in anticipation,

Dave Newbitt.
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 26 15:02:35 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:02:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] mp4 - 4K
Message-ID: <3fe52d56-206b-dbdf-7b44-47fafdc432a5@btinternet.com>

I have just spent 20 hours downloading an 8 minute 4K video and vlc is 
not interested in playing it! MPC-HC does, but doesn't have all the 
tweaks? available on .vlc. Neuview won't touch .mp4 but is brilliant on 
.avi and .mpg. Oh, for an all-dancing all-singing player! Cheers, Dave



From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 26 16:07:11 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:07:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
In-Reply-To: <CB2AFA8C-6001-489A-927C-DFF2C5959329@me.com>
References: <CB2AFA8C-6001-489A-927C-DFF2C5959329@me.com>
Message-ID: <597476027.11049750.1595797631202@mail.yahoo.com>

 Years ago, circa 1965, (purely for reasons of extreme silliness) I invented something similar. It was a tie - in the days when people wore ties - but this was an old tie which I had calibrated into lens angles. There were four painted marks, along its length, corresponding to the four lenses of a standard turret. You had to ensure that the knot was tied in the right place, but then - to see how the world would look framed by a 24 degree lens (say), simply grip the 24 degree mark between your little finger and ring finger; raise the tie until it is near horizontal, and taut; use your thumbs and forefingers to create a frame, in the traditional manner, and there you would see a 24 degree image from your viewpoint (very approximately!)
luv, Rog.
    On Sunday, 26 July 2020, 10:36:24 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938. ?I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.
John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce. ?It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture. ?He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted. ?The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jul 26 16:17:56 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 22:17:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
In-Reply-To: <597476027.11049750.1595797631202@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CB2AFA8C-6001-489A-927C-DFF2C5959329@me.com>
	<597476027.11049750.1595797631202@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5f1df304.1c69fb81.7c86e.0b96@mx.google.com>

Presumably a kipper tie would give you 16:9 widescreen?
Pat

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From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1
Sent: 26 July 2020 22:09
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?

Years ago, circa 1965, (purely for reasons of extreme silliness) I invented something similar. It was a tie - in the days when people wore ties - but this was an old tie which I had calibrated into lens angles. There were four painted marks, along its length, corresponding to the four lenses of a standard turret. You had to ensure that the knot was tied in the right place, but then - to see how the world would look framed by a 24 degree lens (say), simply grip the 24 degree mark between your little finger and ring finger; raise the tie until it is near horizontal, and taut; use your thumbs and forefingers to create a frame, in the traditional manner, and there you would see a 24 degree image from your viewpoint (very approximately!)

luv, Rog.

On Sunday, 26 July 2020, 10:36:24 BST, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: 


I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938. ?I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.

John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce. ?It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture. ?He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted. ?The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.

Alan Taylor



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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Jul 26 16:24:22 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 22:24:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] mp4 - 4K
In-Reply-To: <3fe52d56-206b-dbdf-7b44-47fafdc432a5@btinternet.com>
References: <3fe52d56-206b-dbdf-7b44-47fafdc432a5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5f1df485.1c69fb81.7c6d.36ce@mx.google.com>

I sympathise with your frustration. I was watching the John Wilson Orch Prom on BBC iPlayer on my tablet, quite happily, but when I looked on my laptop, the BBC decided that I was not in the UK, and refused to play. I had my VPN linked to Glasgow, but switched it off and it all worked, but only after re-booting the computer.
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1
Sent: 26 July 2020 21:03
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] mp4 - 4K

I have just spent 20 hours downloading an 8 minute 4K video and vlc is 
not interested in playing it! MPC-HC does, but doesn't have all the 
tweaks? available on .vlc. Neuview won't touch .mp4 but is brilliant on 
.avi and .mpg. Oh, for an all-dancing all-singing player! Cheers, Dave


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 26 16:48:17 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 22:48:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Alcohol
Message-ID: <b8cc68a3-26bd-0db5-06a3-b61e9b7d3496@btinternet.com>

I don't know how many of you watch the morning programs on? BBC1 but 
there was an interesting item last week about the myths about alcohol. 
It was said that red wine does benefit your body which is great news 
except that it is only one medium glass that does it! They measured the 
presenter's blood pressure before and after one glass of red and the 
blood pressure went down 10 pts. due to the arteries widening, any more 
than one glass and the reverse will happen! Shucks, having just had one 
bottle of Yellow Tail Shiraz and several tins of Polish beer I am 
obviously doomed! Cheers, hic, Dave. PS Of course the answer is to 
become teetotal and live longer in a retirement home being miserable!



From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 17:24:34 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 23:24:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] mp4 - 4K
In-Reply-To: <3fe52d56-206b-dbdf-7b44-47fafdc432a5@btinternet.com>
References: <3fe52d56-206b-dbdf-7b44-47fafdc432a5@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <f5be0aa1-0fac-1e09-2ba1-303f7d1dfe00@gmail.com>

Try running it through Handbrake

B



On 26/07/2020 21:02, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
> I have just spent 20 hours downloading an 8 minute 4K video and vlc is 
> not interested in playing it! MPC-HC does, but doesn't have all the 
> tweaks? available on .vlc. Neuview won't touch .mp4 but is brilliant 
> on .avi and .mpg. Oh, for an all-dancing all-singing player! Cheers, Dave
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Jul 26 18:00:58 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:00:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
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Ah yes! John King! Arrived in Bristol from somewhere exotic in Africa, I believe it was, and began as a West of England Home Service announcer. He soon put the cat amongst the pigeons with the senior technical guys, who disapproved of people wearing casual clothing when reading the news, or whatever, and was the subject of many oaths muttered below the breath whenever he was in the booth. I couldn?t see what they were complaining about, but it has to be said the he was not of the same mould as our Senior Announcer, Hugh Shirreff (permanent plum in the mouth, even off mic), or two of his colleagues Douglas Vaughan, who had the perfect radio voice, and Douglas Leech who had the strongest of Devon accents, my dear, until he switched his mic on, when he adopted perfectly rounded Received Pronunciation, I suppose you would call it. 

Douglas Vaughan it was, who helped de-rig after a recording of the BBC Training Orchestra, for the Third Programme, and came into the Radio OB truck carrying two ST&C 4038s, (ribbon mics with strong magnets) which he promptly laid down on the programme tapes which were just inside the door waiting for a courier as they were wanted for playing up the line that evening. We thanked him profusely as he left and slapped the tapes back on the Studers to hear exactly what we expected ~ tapes totally unusable with large chunks wiped almost completely clean! I have no idea what was broadcast instead, but to my knowledge no-one ever told Douglas what had happened. I can?t imagine why we didn?t record in duplicate, even if a third machine had to run at 7.5 ips to cover the duration, but with only two machines built into the truck, we used both to achieve an overlap when the first reel was getting near the end.

But back to John King ~ he soon moved into Television Production and took over Going for a Song for a while, but that didn?t keep him happy for long and in no particular order, he took the Bristol OB unit to Cornwall to record a spooky  drama in a delightful old Manor House, whose name entirely escapes me, but it was my first experience of location drama and I couldn?t believe the liberties that were taken with that very fine old building ~ I believe quite a sum was required to rectify the damage that had been done, particularly to the floorboards by hefty camera and lighting tripods and seemingly hob-nailed boots. We finished shooting that a day early and went to a deserted aerodrome the following day to fill in the available time by following polythene bags being blown across the countryside by the wind. The riggers were charged with chasing each and every one of the bags after they were out of shot and I think a year?s worth of expletives were probably expended during that one afternoon! I think this went out on regional TV to accompany some poetry, which also escapes me, but perhaps it was prescient of Blue Planet and the damage which polythene bags are doing to the world.

I also recall being in the gallery with him and watching another drama he had shot on film, I believe, which ended up with a man in a small tent reciting the Lord?s Prayer, very slowly, which John told me was every director?s dream ~ recording someone doing a meaningful Lord?s Prayer, that is, not a scene in a small tent, but I can?t say that I ever heard that wish expressed by anybody else.

The other memorable John King episode in Bristol was a pilot for a blokey programme, which I believe had the imaginative working title of "Men Only?. This involved a bit of Top Gear type car stuff, a bit of DIY, I fancy, and a naked lady on a high bed in silk sheets, blowing smoke rings. There was also a bit of poetry, involving an incredibly slow track-in to the reader, across the studio diagonal to gain length. I was tracking the Vinten Pathfinder (?), which was entirely manual and it was the very devil of a job not to speed up as you reached the distinct brow of the Bristol Studio A floor and we had to time the track to finish on a very tight close-up on the closing two words, without actually hitting the actor! I can?t remember anything else of the poem, but the closing words were ???AN EXCREMENT!?  ~ said very loudly in a Brian Blessed sort of way. John proudly told us that Paul Fox loved the programme, but really didn?t?t think he could get nudity and swear words past Mrs Fox!

John?s son, of course, is the naturalist Simon King.

Mike G



> On 26 Jul 2020, at 10:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938.  I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.
> 
> John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce.  It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture.  He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted.  The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> <Radio Times 28:1:1938.jpeg>
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> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
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From j at howell61.f9.co.uk  Sun Jul 26 18:17:32 2020
From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:17:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <58952480a1davesound@btinternet.com>
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My Dad who knew about these things suggested that any traction 
motor/transformer/contactor that leaked enough magnetic field to alter 
the dispostion of magnetic particles on a tape several feet away would? 
consume too much power to perform its main function.

BTW Has anyone had the magnetic strip on their credit card damaged this way?


Hibou.


On 24/07/2020 16:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

> Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their 
> electric car as well as the tube? ;-)
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 26 18:37:56 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:37:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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There have been many apochryphal stories about taking audio tapes on the 
London Underground being erased etc. and tests were done and no evidence 
was found, even after putting the tapes over the motor covers. It is 
very hard to wipe a tape of any sort outside of a tape recorder. Fish 
Fryers take ages, running the tape through a machine is the best but 
most time-consuming way of doing it! Cheers, Dave

On 27/07/2020 00:17, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
> My Dad who knew about these things suggested that any traction 
> motor/transformer/contactor that leaked enough magnetic field to alter 
> the dispostion of magnetic particles on a tape several feet away 
> would? consume too much power to perform its main function.
>
> BTW Has anyone had the magnetic strip on their credit card damaged 
> this way?
>
>
> Hibou.
>
>
> On 24/07/2020 16:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their 
>> electric car as well as the tube? ;-)
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul 27 02:37:07 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:37:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
References: <4A23E7B5-AFF9-4A0A-B178-0DDB5DBB7348@me.com>
Message-ID: <1FAAAE73-047E-4D39-BBEA-F8B9331B030C@me.com>

Whenever I saw the name John King on a forthcoming show, it didn?t matter whether it was the Bristol one or our London one, I had no doubt that it was going to be a great show to work on. I don?t know whether the two of them ever worked on the same show. It would have been confusing and fun in equal measures.  

We had a vision supervisor at KA also called Alan Taylor and we were always receiving mail intended for each other. We had different middle initials and I encouraged people to remember that A. P. Taylor did pictures, while A.S. Taylor did sound. There was an occasion when we were both working on an FA Cup preview programme with the West Ham player Alan Taylor.  We had a photo taken  of the three of us together. 

When I went to Moscow for the 1980 Olympics, it didn?t surprise me that my airline tickets were sent to APT, such confusion was routine.  However when I got to Moscow, I discovered that all my accreditation details were actually his, only my ID picture was really me.  I had a discreet word with Frances Freeman the PA and explained that I was basically in Russia under a false identity and if anything went wrong, I would be relying on her to sort it out. When I got back to England I thought it best to warn APT that if he ever considered travelling to Russia, as far as the Russians were concerned, he had previously been there.  He went ballistic and tore into the admin people for sending his personal details to the USSR.

After I went freelance another vision supervisor called Alan Taylor appeared on the freelance circuit and again people would confused us.  He tended to get sent my call sheets, while I tended to get sent his cheques.  He was at least ten years younger than me and unfortunately passed away unexpectedly.  When word of the sad news circulated, some of my clients deleted me from their databases as they assumed that the older Alan was gone.  It took me a couple of months of minimal bookings to suss out what must have happened and I had to make a few phone calls to delicately remind people that I?m still here.

Meanwhile, getting back on topic .......
As a postscript to my initial posting on this thread, bog roll inners had been superseded by the end of that year and in Dec 1938, a proper optical viewfinder   was used during rehearsals, as  seen in this clipping. 




Note the young man standing up at the back. Some of you would have worked with John Laurie, best known for his role in Dad?s Army.  He had a successful acting career spanning many decades. 

Alan Taylor



>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 00:01, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
>>> ?Ah yes! John King! Arrived in Bristol from somewhere exotic in Africa, I believe it was, and began as a West of England Home Service announcer. He soon put the cat amongst the pigeons with the senior technical guys, who disapproved of people wearing casual clothing when reading the news, or whatever, and was the subject of many oaths muttered below the breath whenever he was in the booth. I couldn?t see what they were complaining about, but it has to be said the he was not of the same mould as our Senior Announcer, Hugh Shirreff (permanent plum in the mouth, even off mic), or two of his colleagues Douglas Vaughan, who had the perfect radio voice, and Douglas Leech who had the strongest of Devon accents, my dear, until he switched his mic on, when he adopted perfectly rounded Received Pronunciation, I suppose you would call it. 
>>> 
>>> Douglas Vaughan it was, who helped de-rig after a recording of the BBC Training Orchestra, for the Third Programme, and came into the Radio OB truck carrying two ST&C 4038s, (ribbon mics with strong magnets) which he promptly laid down on the programme tapes which were just inside the door waiting for a courier as they were wanted for playing up the line that evening. We thanked him profusely as he left and slapped the tapes back on the Studers to hear exactly what we expected ~ tapes totally unusable with large chunks wiped almost completely clean! I have no idea what was broadcast instead, but to my knowledge no-one ever told Douglas what had happened. I can?t imagine why we didn?t record in duplicate, even if a third machine had to run at 7.5 ips to cover the duration, but with only two machines built into the truck, we used both to achieve an overlap when the first reel was getting near the end.
>>> 
>>> But back to John King ~ he soon moved into Television Production and took over Going for a Song for a while, but that didn?t keep him happy for long and in no particular order, he took the Bristol OB unit to Cornwall to record a spooky  drama in a delightful old Manor House, whose name entirely escapes me, but it was my first experience of location drama and I couldn?t believe the liberties that were taken with that very fine old building ~ I believe quite a sum was required to rectify the damage that had been done, particularly to the floorboards by hefty camera and lighting tripods and seemingly hob-nailed boots. We finished shooting that a day early and went to a deserted aerodrome the following day to fill in the available time by following polythene bags being blown across the countryside by the wind. The riggers were charged with chasing each and every one of the bags after they were out of shot and I think a year?s worth of expletives were probably expended during that one afternoon! I think this went out on regional TV to accompany some poetry, which also escapes me, but perhaps it was prescient of Blue Planet and the damage which polythene bags are doing to the world.
>>> 
>>> I also recall being in the gallery with him and watching another drama he had shot on film, I believe, which ended up with a man in a small tent reciting the Lord?s Prayer, very slowly, which John told me was every director?s dream ~ recording someone doing a meaningful Lord?s Prayer, that is, not a scene in a small tent, but I can?t say that I ever heard that wish expressed by anybody else.
>>> 
>>> The other memorable John King episode in Bristol was a pilot for a blokey programme, which I believe had the imaginative working title of "Men Only?. This involved a bit of Top Gear type car stuff, a bit of DIY, I fancy, and a naked lady on a high bed in silk sheets, blowing smoke rings. There was also a bit of poetry, involving an incredibly slow track-in to the reader, across the studio diagonal to gain length. I was tracking the Vinten Pathfinder (?), which was entirely manual and it was the very devil of a job not to speed up as you reached the distinct brow of the Bristol Studio A floor and we had to time the track to finish on a very tight close-up on the closing two words, without actually hitting the actor! I can?t remember anything else of the poem, but the closing words were ???AN EXCREMENT!?  ~ said very loudly in a Brian Blessed sort of way. John proudly told us that Paul Fox loved the programme, but really didn?t?t think he could get nudity and swear words past Mrs Fox!
>>> 
>>> John?s son, of course, is the naturalist Simon King.
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 26 Jul 2020, at 10:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938.  I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.
>>> 
>>> John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce.  It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture.  He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted.  The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> <Radio Times 28:1:1938.jpeg>
>>> -- 
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>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk


From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Jul 27 02:41:15 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:41:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
In-Reply-To: <1FAAAE73-047E-4D39-BBEA-F8B9331B030C@me.com>
References: <1FAAAE73-047E-4D39-BBEA-F8B9331B030C@me.com>
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It looks like the clipping might have got lost 

Here it is again 

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> On 27 Jul 2020, at 08:37, Alan Taylor <alanaudio at me.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Whenever I saw the name John King on a forthcoming show, it didn?t matter whether it was the Bristol one or our London one, I had no doubt that it was going to be a great show to work on. I don?t know whether the two of them ever worked on the same show. It would have been confusing and fun in equal measures.  
> 
> We had a vision supervisor at KA also called Alan Taylor and we were always receiving mail intended for each other. We had different middle initials and I encouraged people to remember that A. P. Taylor did pictures, while A.S. Taylor did sound. There was an occasion when we were both working on an FA Cup preview programme with the West Ham player Alan Taylor.  We had a photo taken  of the three of us together. 
> 
> When I went to Moscow for the 1980 Olympics, it didn?t surprise me that my airline tickets were sent to APT, such confusion was routine.  However when I got to Moscow, I discovered that all my accreditation details were actually his, only my ID picture was really me.  I had a discreet word with Frances Freeman the PA and explained that I was basically in Russia under a false identity and if anything went wrong, I would be relying on her to sort it out. When I got back to England I thought it best to warn APT that if he ever considered travelling to Russia, as far as the Russians were concerned, he had previously been there.  He went ballistic and tore into the admin people for sending his personal details to the USSR.
> 
> After I went freelance another vision supervisor called Alan Taylor appeared on the freelance circuit and again people would confused us.  He tended to get sent my call sheets, while I tended to get sent his cheques.  He was at least ten years younger than me and unfortunately passed away unexpectedly.  When word of the sad news circulated, some of my clients deleted me from their databases as they assumed that the older Alan was gone.  It took me a couple of months of minimal bookings to suss out what must have happened and I had to make a few phone calls to delicately remind people that I?m still here.
> 
> Meanwhile, getting back on topic .......
> As a postscript to my initial posting on this thread, bog roll inners had been superseded by the end of that year and in Dec 1938, a proper optical viewfinder   was used during rehearsals, as  seen in this clipping. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Note the young man standing up at the back. Some of you would have worked with John Laurie, best known for his role in Dad?s Army.  He had a successful acting career spanning many decades. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 00:01, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> ?Ah yes! John King! Arrived in Bristol from somewhere exotic in Africa, I believe it was, and began as a West of England Home Service announcer. He soon put the cat amongst the pigeons with the senior technical guys, who disapproved of people wearing casual clothing when reading the news, or whatever, and was the subject of many oaths muttered below the breath whenever he was in the booth. I couldn?t see what they were complaining about, but it has to be said the he was not of the same mould as our Senior Announcer, Hugh Shirreff (permanent plum in the mouth, even off mic), or two of his colleagues Douglas Vaughan, who had the perfect radio voice, and Douglas Leech who had the strongest of Devon accents, my dear, until he switched his mic on, when he adopted perfectly rounded Received Pronunciation, I suppose you would call it.
>>>> 
>>>> Douglas Vaughan it was, who helped de-rig after a recording of the BBC Training Orchestra, for the Third Programme, and came into the Radio OB truck carrying two ST&C 4038s, (ribbon mics with strong magnets) which he promptly laid down on the programme tapes which were just inside the door waiting for a courier as they were wanted for playing up the line that evening. We thanked him profusely as he left and slapped the tapes back on the Studers to hear exactly what we expected ~ tapes totally unusable with large chunks wiped almost completely clean! I have no idea what was broadcast instead, but to my knowledge no-one ever told Douglas what had happened. I can?t imagine why we didn?t record in duplicate, even if a third machine had to run at 7.5 ips to cover the duration, but with only two machines built into the truck, we used both to achieve an overlap when the first reel was getting near the end.
>>>> 
>>>> But back to John King ~ he soon moved into Television Production and took over Going for a Song for a while, but that didn?t keep him happy for long and in no particular order, he took the Bristol OB unit to Cornwall to record a spooky  drama in a delightful old Manor House, whose name entirely escapes me, but it was my first experience of location drama and I couldn?t believe the liberties that were taken with that very fine old building ~ I believe quite a sum was required to rectify the damage that had been done, particularly to the floorboards by hefty camera and lighting tripods and seemingly hob-nailed boots. We finished shooting that a day early and went to a deserted aerodrome the following day to fill in the available time by following polythene bags being blown across the countryside by the wind. The riggers were charged with chasing each and every one of the bags after they were out of shot and I think a year?s worth of expletives were probably expended during that one afternoon! I think this went out on regional TV to accompany some poetry, which also escapes me, but perhaps it was prescient of Blue Planet and the damage which polythene bags are doing to the world.
>>>> 
>>>> I also recall being in the gallery with him and watching another drama he had shot on film, I believe, which ended up with a man in a small tent reciting the Lord?s Prayer, very slowly, which John told me was every director?s dream ~ recording someone doing a meaningful Lord?s Prayer, that is, not a scene in a small tent, but I can?t say that I ever heard that wish expressed by anybody else.
>>>> 
>>>> The other memorable John King episode in Bristol was a pilot for a blokey programme, which I believe had the imaginative working title of "Men Only?. This involved a bit of Top Gear type car stuff, a bit of DIY, I fancy, and a naked lady on a high bed in silk sheets, blowing smoke rings. There was also a bit of poetry, involving an incredibly slow track-in to the reader, across the studio diagonal to gain length. I was tracking the Vinten Pathfinder (?), which was entirely manual and it was the very devil of a job not to speed up as you reached the distinct brow of the Bristol Studio A floor and we had to time the track to finish on a very tight close-up on the closing two words, without actually hitting the actor! I can?t remember anything else of the poem, but the closing words were ???AN EXCREMENT!?  ~ said very loudly in a Brian Blessed sort of way. John proudly told us that Paul Fox loved the programme, but really didn?t?t think he could get nudity and swear words past Mrs Fox!
>>>> 
>>>> John?s son, of course, is the naturalist Simon King.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike G
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Jul 2020, at 10:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938.  I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.
>>>> 
>>>> John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce.  It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture.  He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted.  The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <Radio Times 28:1:1938.jpeg>
>>>> -- 
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>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk

From tonynuttall at me.com  Mon Jul 27 02:44:01 2020
From: tonynuttall at me.com (William Nuttall)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 07:44:01 -0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
References: <657b2422-0f4f-6174-c7f2-23ff3b1e39c3@howell61.f9.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f96df352-daee-4438-a79c-8c7e54e2b1f4@me.com>


Another area to be careful with is the magnetic ink on the bottom of cheques
which can be erased with a magnet. I'm not suggesting that you should do this
of course.
Tony N.
Begin forwarded message:

From: John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Date: 7/26/2020
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.

My Dad who knew about these things suggested that any traction motor/transformer/contactor that leaked enough magnetic field to alter the dispostion of magnetic particles on a tape several feet away would? consume too much power to perform its main function. 
BTW Has anyone had the magnetic strip on their credit card damaged this way?

Hibou.

On 24/07/2020 16:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their
electric car as well as the tube? ;-)

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From relong at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 27 04:21:36 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:21:36 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
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I did many films with John( and Simon) King
John would come into Shangrila (the film hut) and expound on his latest epic
A 90' Rock Opera for BBC2 featuring Motown artistes
An LE show with a singer he found by chance
A Nat Hist show featuring the film librarian and young Simon
30 minute dramas shot on a shoestring in winter in Cornwall
Endless Antiques.
Many of his directors were from the antiques trade, knockers and runners
Robin Bastard from Plymouth, we buy junk and sell valuable Antiques, that sort of thing.
His shows were always a challenge, but they proved useful to develop technique and ingenuity.
Sad when he died young.
Simon is a gifted filmmaker and nat hist cameraman, shunned by the beeb because of on screen placement of product?
Roger

> On 27 Jul 2020, at 08:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Whenever I saw the name John King on a forthcoming show, it didn?t matter whether it was the Bristol one or our London one, I had no doubt that it was going to be a great show to work on. I don?t know whether the two of them ever worked on the same show. It would have been confusing and fun in equal measures.  
> 
> We had a vision supervisor at KA also called Alan Taylor and we were always receiving mail intended for each other. We had different middle initials and I encouraged people to remember that A. P. Taylor did pictures, while A.S. Taylor did sound. There was an occasion when we were both working on an FA Cup preview programme with the West Ham player Alan Taylor.  We had a photo taken  of the three of us together. 
> 
> When I went to Moscow for the 1980 Olympics, it didn?t surprise me that my airline tickets were sent to APT, such confusion was routine.  However when I got to Moscow, I discovered that all my accreditation details were actually his, only my ID picture was really me.  I had a discreet word with Frances Freeman the PA and explained that I was basically in Russia under a false identity and if anything went wrong, I would be relying on her to sort it out. When I got back to England I thought it best to warn APT that if he ever considered travelling to Russia, as far as the Russians were concerned, he had previously been there.  He went ballistic and tore into the admin people for sending his personal details to the USSR.
> 
> After I went freelance another vision supervisor called Alan Taylor appeared on the freelance circuit and again people would confused us.  He tended to get sent my call sheets, while I tended to get sent his cheques.  He was at least ten years younger than me and unfortunately passed away unexpectedly.  When word of the sad news circulated, some of my clients deleted me from their databases as they assumed that the older Alan was gone.  It took me a couple of months of minimal bookings to suss out what must have happened and I had to make a few phone calls to delicately remind people that I?m still here.
> 
> Meanwhile, getting back on topic .......
> As a postscript to my initial posting on this thread, bog roll inners had been superseded by the end of that year and in Dec 1938, a proper optical viewfinder   was used during rehearsals, as  seen in this clipping. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Note the young man standing up at the back. Some of you would have worked with John Laurie, best known for his role in Dad?s Army.  He had a successful acting career spanning many decades. 
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 00:01, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> ?Ah yes! John King! Arrived in Bristol from somewhere exotic in Africa, I believe it was, and began as a West of England Home Service announcer. He soon put the cat amongst the pigeons with the senior technical guys, who disapproved of people wearing casual clothing when reading the news, or whatever, and was the subject of many oaths muttered below the breath whenever he was in the booth. I couldn?t see what they were complaining about, but it has to be said the he was not of the same mould as our Senior Announcer, Hugh Shirreff (permanent plum in the mouth, even off mic), or two of his colleagues Douglas Vaughan, who had the perfect radio voice, and Douglas Leech who had the strongest of Devon accents, my dear, until he switched his mic on, when he adopted perfectly rounded Received Pronunciation, I suppose you would call it. 
>>>> 
>>>> Douglas Vaughan it was, who helped de-rig after a recording of the BBC Training Orchestra, for the Third Programme, and came into the Radio OB truck carrying two ST&C 4038s, (ribbon mics with strong magnets) which he promptly laid down on the programme tapes which were just inside the door waiting for a courier as they were wanted for playing up the line that evening. We thanked him profusely as he left and slapped the tapes back on the Studers to hear exactly what we expected ~ tapes totally unusable with large chunks wiped almost completely clean! I have no idea what was broadcast instead, but to my knowledge no-one ever told Douglas what had happened. I can?t imagine why we didn?t record in duplicate, even if a third machine had to run at 7.5 ips to cover the duration, but with only two machines built into the truck, we used both to achieve an overlap when the first reel was getting near the end.
>>>> 
>>>> But back to John King ~ he soon moved into Television Production and took over Going for a Song for a while, but that didn?t keep him happy for long and in no particular order, he took the Bristol OB unit to Cornwall to record a spooky  drama in a delightful old Manor House, whose name entirely escapes me, but it was my first experience of location drama and I couldn?t believe the liberties that were taken with that very fine old building ~ I believe quite a sum was required to rectify the damage that had been done, particularly to the floorboards by hefty camera and lighting tripods and seemingly hob-nailed boots. We finished shooting that a day early and went to a deserted aerodrome the following day to fill in the available time by following polythene bags being blown across the countryside by the wind. The riggers were charged with chasing each and every one of the bags after they were out of shot and I think a year?s worth of expletives were probably expended during that one afternoon! I think this went out on regional TV to accompany some poetry, which also escapes me, but perhaps it was prescient of Blue Planet and the damage which polythene bags are doing to the world.
>>>> 
>>>> I also recall being in the gallery with him and watching another drama he had shot on film, I believe, which ended up with a man in a small tent reciting the Lord?s Prayer, very slowly, which John told me was every director?s dream ~ recording someone doing a meaningful Lord?s Prayer, that is, not a scene in a small tent, but I can?t say that I ever heard that wish expressed by anybody else.
>>>> 
>>>> The other memorable John King episode in Bristol was a pilot for a blokey programme, which I believe had the imaginative working title of "Men Only?. This involved a bit of Top Gear type car stuff, a bit of DIY, I fancy, and a naked lady on a high bed in silk sheets, blowing smoke rings. There was also a bit of poetry, involving an incredibly slow track-in to the reader, across the studio diagonal to gain length. I was tracking the Vinten Pathfinder (?), which was entirely manual and it was the very devil of a job not to speed up as you reached the distinct brow of the Bristol Studio A floor and we had to time the track to finish on a very tight close-up on the closing two words, without actually hitting the actor! I can?t remember anything else of the poem, but the closing words were ???AN EXCREMENT!?  ~ said very loudly in a Brian Blessed sort of way. John proudly told us that Paul Fox loved the programme, but really didn?t?t think he could get nudity and swear words past Mrs Fox!
>>>> 
>>>> John?s son, of course, is the naturalist Simon King.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike G
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 26 Jul 2020, at 10:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938.  I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.
>>>> 
>>>> John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce.  It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture.  He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted.  The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <Radio Times 28:1:1938.jpeg>
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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jul 27 04:34:49 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:34:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351F0BFE8F4F565D7340195A7720@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I don?t think the tapes on the underground myth was ever proven, but nevertheless, a sensible precaution. ?London Underground trains run on 630Volts DC. It would be a very inefficient motor design if it leaked a significant amount of magnetic energy outside of itself.
To effectively erase a 1/4? tape you need a strong AC magnetic field, the most readily available obviously being 240Volts AC mains.
The palm-sized handheld tape erasers that we used to be able to buy contained a small open-frame mains transformer that had been assembled with the ?E? and ?I? metal core leaves positioned with the ?E?s all in the same orientation, and the ?I?s omitted, thus creating an open AC magnetic field on one side. Circular movements working around the reel and gradually moving the eraser away from the reel before switching it off effectively randomised the magnetic particles in the tape. Whereas DC would place them all in the same polarity.

I think at best, a permanent magnet would only produce nasty thumping noises, and actually this was precisely why I got rid of my two 4038?s very early on. One mishap was one too many. (Well-meaning helper during de-rig). As luck had it, only two tracks of a 2? 16track tape were affected, and we were able to re-do them for the takes we wanted.
But it was a wake-up call.

For rendering 5? Nagra tapes safe for selling, as long as you?re not trying to pretend they are new and unused, I think a magnet taken from an old loudspeaker might probably be sufficient. Easily proven by playing it on whatever machine you have to hand.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 27 Jul 2020, at 00:39, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul 27 05:00:55 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:00:55 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <657b2422-0f4f-6174-c7f2-23ff3b1e39c3@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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Your dad was quite correct - inches, yes; feet, not a chance.

Leaving a tape or a colour monitor in the footwell of a Defender ~could~ 
do it, because the battery cable to the starter ran directly underneath. 
100A + at that spacing was sufficient.

Chris Woolf


On 27/07/2020 00:17, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
> My Dad who knew about these things suggested that any traction 
> motor/transformer/contactor that leaked enough magnetic field to alter 
> the dispostion of magnetic particles on a tape several feet away 
> would? consume too much power to perform its main function.
>
> BTW Has anyone had the magnetic strip on their credit card damaged 
> this way?
>
>
> Hibou.
>
>
> On 24/07/2020 16:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>
>> Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their 
>> electric car as well as the tube? ;-)
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Jul 27 05:09:29 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:09:29 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
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On 27/07/2020 10:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> ...
> To effectively erase a 1/4? tape you need a strong AC magnetic field,

AC is the most usual way, but you can do it with DC or a permanent 
magnet - you merely take the the tape up the H curve and leave it at the 
top, if you see what I mean. Some early portable recorders simply used a 
small permanent magnet on a swinging arm as the erase head. Not as clean 
as decreasing AC waveform but enough to rearrange the domains.

Chris Woolf




From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Mon Jul 27 05:09:53 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:09:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <e18e6bf5-3055-6339-6fcc-a857f991baf4@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6mhqvo164nq0kggk3ecoe83b.1595844593436@pgtmedia.co.uk>

All just an excuse to take a cab. 



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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 27 July 2020 11:09
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.



On 27/07/2020 10:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> ...
> To effectively erase a 1/4? tape you need a strong AC magnetic field,

AC is the most usual way, but you can do it with DC or a permanent
magnet - you merely take the the tape up the H curve and leave it at the
top, if you see what I mean. Some early portable recorders simply used a
small permanent magnet on a swinging arm as the erase head. Not as clean
as decreasing AC waveform but enough to rearrange the domains.

Chris Woolf



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From waresound at msn.com  Mon Jul 27 05:28:18 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:28:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
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I remember quite commonly seeing 35mm Mitchell camera viewfinders being used by directors on commercials, long after the demise of the Mitchell itself. I?ve no idea what vintage they were, but they did look rather crude and somewhat unnecessary. On the side of a non-reflex camera, yes, but handheld by the director? As a horribly arrogant youth and keen photographer, I had been taught to look with my eyes and visualise with my imagination!
[cid:1DEA39DA-1C25-48DA-ACC1-955E3DB70B85]
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 27 Jul 2020, at 08:42, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
It looks like the clipping might have got lost

Here it is again

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 27 05:19:03 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:19:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <657b2422-0f4f-6174-c7f2-23ff3b1e39c3@howell61.f9.co.uk>
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Quite. Did wonder if it was an urban myth. Invented by PA's to claim for a
taxi. ;-) 


In article <657b2422-0f4f-6174-c7f2-23ff3b1e39c3 at howell61.f9.co.uk>,
   John Howell via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> My Dad who knew about these things suggested that any traction 
> motor/transformer/contactor that leaked enough magnetic field to alter 
> the dispostion of magnetic particles on a tape several feet away would  
> consume too much power to perform its main function.

> BTW Has anyone had the magnetic strip on their credit card damaged this way?


> Hibou.


> On 24/07/2020 16:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:

> > Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their 
> > electric car as well as the tube? ;-)

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 27 05:22:39 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:22:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351F0BFE8F4F565D7340195A7720@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB0351F0BFE8F4F565D7340195A7720@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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In article
<VI1P189MB0351F0BFE8F4F565D7340195A7720 at VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I don?t think the tapes on the underground myth was ever proven, but
> nevertheless, a sensible precaution. #London Underground trains run on
> 630Volts DC. It would be a very inefficient motor design if it leaked a
> significant amount of magnetic energy outside of itself. To effectively
> erase a 1/4? tape you need a strong AC magnetic field, the most readily
> available obviously being 240Volts AC mains.

DC will, however, do quite a bit of damage to a recording.

Didn't some early cheap tape recorders use DC erase - just a magnet which
moved into place?

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 05:37:51 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:37:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] AGFA PER 368 tape stock/ demag.
In-Reply-To: <c185e1cb-f09c-c2a3-ffbe-18b08aca7e89@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <VI1P189MB0351F658ECF159ED2448C6B5A7770@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<c185e1cb-f09c-c2a3-ffbe-18b08aca7e89@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9fc1d3bf-1156-231b-121c-3dbea0e052e9@gmail.com>

We were told that taking your tapes on the tube would screw them, so we 
always had to take taxis.? This is all good stuff when a novelty, but 
soon becomes a pain when you are using a facilities house in Islington 
several times a week.? Sitting in yet another traffic jam on Oxford 
Street was pretty tedious.? Of course, a pile of 2" and 1" tapes were 
not something you could take on a tube anyway, but when we got to D1, 
D3, BetaSP, DigiBeta etc, I'd just bag them and get on the tube. A 
MiniDV went in your top pocket.? No problems ever with the tapes, though 
I imagine that the oldest we got on was 1938 stock, and probably the 
electricy stuff was keeping itself to itself by then.

B



On 27/07/2020 11:00, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Your dad was quite correct - inches, yes; feet, not a chance.
>
> Leaving a tape or a colour monitor in the footwell of a Defender 
> ~could~ do it, because the battery cable to the starter ran directly 
> underneath. 100A + at that spacing was sufficient.
>
> Chris Woolf
>
>
> On 27/07/2020 00:17, John Howell via Tech1 wrote:
>> My Dad who knew about these things suggested that any traction 
>> motor/transformer/contactor that leaked enough magnetic field to 
>> alter the dispostion of magnetic particles on a tape several feet 
>> away would? consume too much power to perform its main function.
>>
>> BTW Has anyone had the magnetic strip on their credit card damaged 
>> this way?
>>
>>
>> Hibou.
>>
>>
>> On 24/07/2020 16:26, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>>> Wonder if now was then, would PAs be told not to take tapes in their 
>>> electric car as well as the tube? ;-)
>>
>

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From alawrance1 at me.com  Mon Jul 27 05:46:43 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:46:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Was this the first director's viewfinder?
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I distinctly remember a late night series from John called "Whatever next".  It was a series of fairly unrelated items, most of which worked very well.

In particular, I recall a string quartet sat in a circle and one camera tracking slowly round the outside for the precise duration of the piece, which I can't remember the title.

Another was a compilation of news film of Australian military going to Vietnam, edited to "Stay with me, baby" by Lorraine Ellison. The final shot was a young mom with baby in arms tearfully looking at the disappearing troopship, having tried to prevent her partner from boarding.

After all these years, you can tell the effect it had on me.

I wonder if any of these still exist?  Would Simon know? Not sure if he's on this list.

Alasdair Lawrance
alawrance1 at me.com

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.










> On 27 Jul 2020, at 10:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I did many films with John( and Simon) King
> John would come into Shangrila (the film hut) and expound on his latest epic
> A 90' Rock Opera for BBC2 featuring Motown artistes
> An LE show with a singer he found by chance
> A Nat Hist show featuring the film librarian and young Simon
> 30 minute dramas shot on a shoestring in winter in Cornwall
> Endless Antiques.
> Many of his directors were from the antiques trade, knockers and runners
> Robin Bastard from Plymouth, we buy junk and sell valuable Antiques, that sort of thing.
> His shows were always a challenge, but they proved useful to develop technique and ingenuity.
> Sad when he died young.
> Simon is a gifted filmmaker and nat hist cameraman, shunned by the beeb because of on screen placement of product?
> Roger
> 
>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 08:37, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Whenever I saw the name John King on a forthcoming show, it didn?t matter whether it was the Bristol one or our London one, I had no doubt that it was going to be a great show to work on. I don?t know whether the two of them ever worked on the same show. It would have been confusing and fun in equal measures.  
>> 
>> We had a vision supervisor at KA also called Alan Taylor and we were always receiving mail intended for each other. We had different middle initials and I encouraged people to remember that A. P. Taylor did pictures, while A.S. Taylor did sound. There was an occasion when we were both working on an FA Cup preview programme with the West Ham player Alan Taylor.  We had a photo taken  of the three of us together. 
>> 
>> When I went to Moscow for the 1980 Olympics, it didn?t surprise me that my airline tickets were sent to APT, such confusion was routine.  However when I got to Moscow, I discovered that all my accreditation details were actually his, only my ID picture was really me.  I had a discreet word with Frances Freeman the PA and explained that I was basically in Russia under a false identity and if anything went wrong, I would be relying on her to sort it out. When I got back to England I thought it best to warn APT that if he ever considered travelling to Russia, as far as the Russians were concerned, he had previously been there.  He went ballistic and tore into the admin people for sending his personal details to the USSR.
>> 
>> After I went freelance another vision supervisor called Alan Taylor appeared on the freelance circuit and again people would confused us.  He tended to get sent my call sheets, while I tended to get sent his cheques.  He was at least ten years younger than me and unfortunately passed away unexpectedly.  When word of the sad news circulated, some of my clients deleted me from their databases as they assumed that the older Alan was gone.  It took me a couple of months of minimal bookings to suss out what must have happened and I had to make a few phone calls to delicately remind people that I?m still here.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, getting back on topic .......
>> As a postscript to my initial posting on this thread, bog roll inners had been superseded by the end of that year and in Dec 1938, a proper optical viewfinder   was used during rehearsals, as  seen in this clipping. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Note the young man standing up at the back. Some of you would have worked with John Laurie, best known for his role in Dad?s Army.  He had a successful acting career spanning many decades. 
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>>>> On 27 Jul 2020, at 00:01, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> ?Ah yes! John King! Arrived in Bristol from somewhere exotic in Africa, I believe it was, and began as a West of England Home Service announcer. He soon put the cat amongst the pigeons with the senior technical guys, who disapproved of people wearing casual clothing when reading the news, or whatever, and was the subject of many oaths muttered below the breath whenever he was in the booth. I couldn?t see what they were complaining about, but it has to be said the he was not of the same mould as our Senior Announcer, Hugh Shirreff (permanent plum in the mouth, even off mic), or two of his colleagues Douglas Vaughan, who had the perfect radio voice, and Douglas Leech who had the strongest of Devon accents, my dear, until he switched his mic on, when he adopted perfectly rounded Received Pronunciation, I suppose you would call it. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Douglas Vaughan it was, who helped de-rig after a recording of the BBC Training Orchestra, for the Third Programme, and came into the Radio OB truck carrying two ST&C 4038s, (ribbon mics with strong magnets) which he promptly laid down on the programme tapes which were just inside the door waiting for a courier as they were wanted for playing up the line that evening. We thanked him profusely as he left and slapped the tapes back on the Studers to hear exactly what we expected ~ tapes totally unusable with large chunks wiped almost completely clean! I have no idea what was broadcast instead, but to my knowledge no-one ever told Douglas what had happened. I can?t imagine why we didn?t record in duplicate, even if a third machine had to run at 7.5 ips to cover the duration, but with only two machines built into the truck, we used both to achieve an overlap when the first reel was getting near the end.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But back to John King ~ he soon moved into Television Production and took over Going for a Song for a while, but that didn?t keep him happy for long and in no particular order, he took the Bristol OB unit to Cornwall to record a spooky  drama in a delightful old Manor House, whose name entirely escapes me, but it was my first experience of location drama and I couldn?t believe the liberties that were taken with that very fine old building ~ I believe quite a sum was required to rectify the damage that had been done, particularly to the floorboards by hefty camera and lighting tripods and seemingly hob-nailed boots. We finished shooting that a day early and went to a deserted aerodrome the following day to fill in the available time by following polythene bags being blown across the countryside by the wind. The riggers were charged with chasing each and every one of the bags after they were out of shot and I think a year?s worth of expletives were probably expended during that one afternoon! I think this went out on regional TV to accompany some poetry, which also escapes me, but perhaps it was prescient of Blue Planet and the damage which polythene bags are doing to the world.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also recall being in the gallery with him and watching another drama he had shot on film, I believe, which ended up with a man in a small tent reciting the Lord?s Prayer, very slowly, which John told me was every director?s dream ~ recording someone doing a meaningful Lord?s Prayer, that is, not a scene in a small tent, but I can?t say that I ever heard that wish expressed by anybody else.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The other memorable John King episode in Bristol was a pilot for a blokey programme, which I believe had the imaginative working title of "Men Only?. This involved a bit of Top Gear type car stuff, a bit of DIY, I fancy, and a naked lady on a high bed in silk sheets, blowing smoke rings. There was also a bit of poetry, involving an incredibly slow track-in to the reader, across the studio diagonal to gain length. I was tracking the Vinten Pathfinder (?), which was entirely manual and it was the very devil of a job not to speed up as you reached the distinct brow of the Bristol Studio A floor and we had to time the track to finish on a very tight close-up on the closing two words, without actually hitting the actor! I can?t remember anything else of the poem, but the closing words were ???AN EXCREMENT!?  ~ said very loudly in a Brian Blessed sort of way. John proudly told us that Paul Fox loved the programme, but really didn?t?t think he could get nudity and swear words past Mrs Fox!
>>>>> 
>>>>> John?s son, of course, is the naturalist Simon King.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike G
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 26 Jul 2020, at 10:35, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I spotted this little item in Radio Times, January 1938.  I'm now trying to imagine how actors rehearsed with dignity while the director peered at them through a modified bog roll tube.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John King ( the lovely Bristol based director, not that rascal from Kendal Avenue ) produced his home made device for lens selection at a site recce.  It was a measuring tape with a metal flip-out aperture.  He looked through the aperture, with the end of the tape close to his eye and extended the tape measure until he saw the shot he wanted.  The tape measure then revealed that he would need a 16" lens or whatever. He also had a x2 adaptor for it, which was a second, smaller flip out aperture, used when the telephoto lens size was longer than his arm.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> <Radio Times 28:1:1938.jpeg>
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Jul 27 16:04:30 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:04:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Wiped programmes
Message-ID: <5f1f4160.1c69fb81.b92a9.20d6@mx.google.com>

This came up on opening Firefox browser ? thought it might be of interest if you hadn?t read it before.
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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Tue Jul 28 02:48:53 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:48:53 +0100
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Timely as this is in this weeks Radio Times!

Mike

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Tue Jul 28 05:01:59 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:01:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] BBC Wiped programmes
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Some Dr. Who?s made it to DVD, presumably from rescued telerecordings. I?ll contact Richard Bignell at 2-Entertain for the lowdown.
Pat

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Sent: 28 July 2020 08:48
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Timely as this is in this weeks Radio Times!
?
Mike
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 17:39:22 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:39:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid
Message-ID: <00a201d6652f$f08e3c50$d1aab4f0$@gmail.com>

I heard from Colin Reid's wife, Nelly today that Colin died peacefully on
11th July in Charing Cross Hospital where he'd been for about a week. He was
87, nearly 88 and had been unwell for some time.

I was on Colin's crew in the 1980's and came to respect him greatly for his
leadership style, his quiet humour and the gentle man that he was. I visited
him a number of times since he retired, both when he was in hospital and at
his home in Chiswick. Colin and Nelly had a daughter, Carol who lives a few
doors from them and you may like to hold her in your thoughts at this sad
time too.

 

The funeral will be on Friday 14th August and I have been invited to join
the permitted small group of mourners. Later I intend writing a tribute for
Prospero, unless anyone else would like to and it would be good to hear any
stories and recollections from those of you who knew Colin, to help build up
a fuller picture of him.

 

If anyone would like to send Nelly and Carol a card, I can supply the
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 14:58:13 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 20:58:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
Message-ID: <4431fd8c-1db6-3647-f7d5-a5d5fb637b41@gmail.com>

Say you had a lot of data - websites, programs and stuff. What's the 
best way of preserving it for a long time??? On film of course -

https://hackaday.com/2020/07/29/ask-hackaday-why-did-github-ship-all-our-software-off-to-the-arctic/

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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Wed Jul 29 17:43:04 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 23:43:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid
Message-ID: <18kld2mkxsk0ns9setttu4gu.1596062138717@email.android.com>

Sorry to hear of Colin's passing. I was on his Crew 18 for about a year in the 60s, and met up with him again in the 90s at Sky, in fact my first shift on Sky News when I assumed I wouldn't know anyone was with him and Pete Balkwill who I'd been with at TSW until a few months ago - small world!?I agree with all Geoff says about his quiet demeanour, but he was no less effective as a Senior because of that.?My thoughts are with Nelly and Carol.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: "geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1" <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 287/2020  23:39  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid I heard from Colin Reid?s wife, Nelly today that Colin died peacefully on 11th July in Charing Cross Hospital where he?d been for about a week. He was 87, nearly 88 and had been unwell for some time.I was on Colin?s crew in the 1980?s and came to respect him greatly for his leadership style, his quiet humour and the gentle man that he was. I visited him a number of times since he retired, both when he was in hospital and at his home in Chiswick. Colin and Nelly had a daughter, Carol who lives a few doors from them and you may like to hold her in your thoughts at this sad time too.?The funeral will be on Friday 14th August and I have been invited to join the permitted small group of mourners. Later I intend writing a tribute for Prospero, unless anyone else would like to and it would be good to hear any stories and recollections from those of you who knew Colin, to help build up a fuller picture of him.?If anyone would like to send Nelly and Carol a card, I can supply the address, ?Geoff Hawkes?
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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jul 30 03:04:50 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:04:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dublin
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB03519148484970C898100808A7710@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Since the beginning of lockdown Gatwick has been more or less closed, which has been bliss for us. Over the last few weeks, whenever we hear an aircraft overhead, my wife Judi asks ?Where?s that one going, Dublin?? The weird thing is that 90% of the time she?s right. And if wrong, she says ?Geneva, then?. And then she will be right.
What is it about Dublin and Geneva?
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 30 04:49:00 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:49:00 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
In-Reply-To: <4431fd8c-1db6-3647-f7d5-a5d5fb637b41@gmail.com>
References: <4431fd8c-1db6-3647-f7d5-a5d5fb637b41@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58981c9cbbdavesound@btinternet.com>

Remember towards the end of the Thames franchise, a very clever engineer,
Dr John Emmet - part of the IBA labs located there - was developing a way
of recording digital pictures and sound to 16mm B&W film. Which if stored
correctly, has a pretty long life. Saw a demonstration, and it seemed very
good indeed. With no temptation to 'compress' the data for storage, as
seems to happen a lot these days. But I suppose it's old hat now. 


In article <4431fd8c-1db6-3647-f7d5-a5d5fb637b41 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Say you had a lot of data - websites, programs and stuff. What's the 
> best way of preserving it for a long time?   On film of course -

> https://hackaday.com/2020/07/29/ask-hackaday-why-did-github-ship-all-our-software-off-to-the-arctic/

> B

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 30 05:01:41 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:01:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Dublin
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB03519148484970C898100808A7710@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <VI1P189MB03519148484970C898100808A7710@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <5f229a86.1c69fb81.6d23.439e@mx.google.com>

Strains of ?Danny Boy? (Aer Lingus) for Dublin, Yodelling (Swissair) heard under the engine noise??
Or if visual, a shamrock on the tail fin, or a big white cross on red fin!

Just a thought ? maybe Judi has an Airband radio?

I have friends who live in the centre of the turn-out from LGW, so they have been appreciating the quiet also. 
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 30 July 2020 09:05
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] Dublin

Since the beginning of lockdown Gatwick has been more or less closed, which has been bliss for us. Over the last few weeks, whenever we hear an aircraft overhead, my wife Judi asks ?Where?s that one going, Dublin?? The weird thing is that 90% of the time she?s right. And if wrong, she says ?Geneva, then?. And then she will be right.
What is it about Dublin and Geneva?
Cheers,
Nick.




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From Waresound at msn.com  Thu Jul 30 05:15:35 2020
From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:15:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Dublin
In-Reply-To: <5f229a86.1c69fb81.6d23.439e@mx.google.com>
References: <VI1P189MB03519148484970C898100808A7710@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<5f229a86.1c69fb81.6d23.439e@mx.google.com>
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It had become such a rarity that she would have me check Flightradar 24 to see what?s going on!
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 30 Jul 2020, at 11:01, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

?
Strains of ?Danny Boy? (Aer Lingus) for Dublin, Yodelling (Swissair) heard under the engine noise??
Or if visual, a shamrock on the tail fin, or a big white cross on red fin!

Just a thought ? maybe Judi has an Airband radio?

I have friends who live in the centre of the turn-out from LGW, so they have been appreciating the quiet also.
Pat

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From: Nick Ware via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 30 July 2020 09:05
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Dublin

Since the beginning of lockdown Gatwick has been more or less closed, which has been bliss for us. Over the last few weeks, whenever we hear an aircraft overhead, my wife Judi asks ?Where?s that one going, Dublin?? The weird thing is that 90% of the time she?s right. And if wrong, she says ?Geneva, then?. And then she will be right.
What is it about Dublin and Geneva?
Cheers,
Nick.




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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jul 30 05:22:57 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:22:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
In-Reply-To: <58981c9cbbdavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <4431fd8c-1db6-3647-f7d5-a5d5fb637b41@gmail.com>
	<58981c9cbbdavesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>

On 30/07/2020 10:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Remember towards the end of the Thames franchise, a very clever engineer,
> Dr John Emmet - part of the IBA labs located there - was developing a way
> of recording digital pictures and sound to 16mm B&W film. Which if stored
> correctly, has a pretty long life. Saw a demonstration, and it seemed very
> good indeed. With no temptation to 'compress' the data for storage, as
> seems to happen a lot these days. But I suppose it's old hat now.
>
I find that hard to believe. As soon as you digitise picture or sound 
you need at least twice the bandwidth - sampling theory demands that. 
You then have the option of data compression to win back the storage (or 
transmission) density. You can do that using theoretically lossless 
techniques or the much more effective lossy ones. The digital benefit is 
avoiding noise problems.

You would need roughly double the resolution of current 16mm film to 
store as much on it digitally as you could in analogue fashion ~unless~ 
you compressed the data. If that was possible we could have had much 
higher resolution on 16mm film than we did. You ~might~ manage something 
if you used very slow emulsions (like some microfilm) but the data rate 
on record would be painfully slow.

John Emmet was indeed a clever guy but I reckon he must have used 
compression to make any sort of data storage gain over simple analogue.


Chris Woolf



From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jul 30 05:22:59 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 10:22:59 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
Message-ID: <VI1P189MB0351E38CE215D7C79DD1FCC9A7710@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Are you sure that?s the correct spelling of his surname? Could it be that he was a son of Rowland Emett, creator of some of the most wonderfully imaginitive inventions and contraptions of all time? (If that?s not being too unkind to Dr John!).
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

>> On 30 Jul 2020, at 10:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Remember towards the end of the Thames franchise, a very clever engineer,
>> Dr John Emmet - part of the IBA labs located there - was developing a way
>> of recording digital pictures and sound to 16mm B&W film. Which if stored
>> correctly, has a pretty long life. Saw a demonstration, and it seemed very
>> good indeed. With no temptation to 'compress' the data for storage, as
>> seems to happen a lot these days. But I suppose it's old hat now. 
>> 
>> 
>> In article <4431fd8c-1db6-3647-f7d5-a5d5fb637b41 at gmail.com>,
>>  Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> Say you had a lot of data - websites, programs and stuff. What's the
>> best way of preserving it for a long time?   On film of course -
> 
>> https://hackaday.com/2020/07/29/ask-hackaday-why-did-github-ship-all-our-software-off-to-the-arctic/
> 
>> B
> 
> -- 
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> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Jul 30 05:48:12 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:48:12 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
In-Reply-To: <37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <4431fd8c-1db6-3647-f7d5-a5d5fb637b41@gmail.com>
	<58981c9cbbdavesound@btinternet.com>
	<37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5f22a56d.1c69fb81.33dc9.6981@mx.google.com>

I wonder if the method of storing data on 16 or 35mm film relies on a photographic process, or somehow burning on with a laser.
There are a few film labs left, as conventional film is apparently making a comeback (according to these labs).
Pat

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From: Chris Woolf via Tech1
Sent: 30 July 2020 11:22
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc

On 30/07/2020 10:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> Remember towards the end of the Thames franchise, a very clever engineer,
> Dr John Emmet - part of the IBA labs located there - was developing a way
> of recording digital pictures and sound to 16mm B&W film. Which if stored
> correctly, has a pretty long life. Saw a demonstration, and it seemed very
> good indeed. With no temptation to 'compress' the data for storage, as
> seems to happen a lot these days. But I suppose it's old hat now.
>
I find that hard to believe. As soon as you digitise picture or sound 
you need at least twice the bandwidth - sampling theory demands that. 
You then have the option of data compression to win back the storage (or 
transmission) density. You can do that using theoretically lossless 
techniques or the much more effective lossy ones. The digital benefit is 
avoiding noise problems.

You would need roughly double the resolution of current 16mm film to 
store as much on it digitally as you could in analogue fashion ~unless~ 
you compressed the data. If that was possible we could have had much 
higher resolution on 16mm film than we did. You ~might~ manage something 
if you used very slow emulsions (like some microfilm) but the data rate 
on record would be painfully slow.

John Emmet was indeed a clever guy but I reckon he must have used 
compression to make any sort of data storage gain over simple analogue.


Chris Woolf


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 30 05:49:15 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 11:49:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Insults to be proud of!
Message-ID: <b20d2062-6a2e-b380-50de-da9ab979ed32@btinternet.com>

*When Insults Had Class*

 From an era " before" the English language got boiled down to 4-letter 
words.

*A member of Parliament to Disraeli:*/*"Sir, you will either die on the 
gallows or of some unspeakable disease."*/

/*"That depends, Sir, "*/ *said Disraeli,*/*"whether I embrace your 
policies or your mistress."*/

/Walter Kerr/

/*"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire."*/

/Winston Churchill/

/*"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great 
pleasure."*/

/Clarence Darrow/

/*"He has never been known to use a word that might send a reader to the 
dictionary."*/

/William Faulkner (about Ernest Hemingway)/

/*"Thank you for sending me a copy of your book; I'll waste no time 
reading it."*/

/Moses Hadas/

/*"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I 
approved of it."*/

/Mark Twain/

/*"He has no enemies, but is intensely disliked by his friends."*/

/Oscar Wilde/

/*"I am enclosing two tickets to the first night of my new play; bring a 
friend, if you have one.*//*"*/

/George Bernard Shaw to Winston Churchill/

/*"Cannot possibly attend first night, will attend second... if there is 
one."*/

/Winston Churchill, in response/

/*"I feel so miserable without you; it's almost like having you here."*/

/Stephen Bishop/

/*"He is a self-made man and worships his creator."*/

/John Bright/

/*"I've just learned about his illness. Let's hope it's nothing trivial."*/

/Irvin S. Cobb/

/*"He is not only dull himself; he is the cause of dullness in others."*/

/Samuel Johnson/

/*"He is simply a shiver looking for a spine to run up."*/

/Paul Keating/

/*"In order to avoid being called a flirt, she always yielded easily."*/

/Charles, Count Talleyrand/

/*"He loves nature in spite of what it did to him."*/

/Forrest Tucker/

/*"Why do you sit there looking like an envelope without any address on 
it?"*/

/Mark Twain/

/*"His mother should have thrown him away and kept the stork."*/

/Mae West/

/*"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go."*/

/Oscar Wilde/

/*"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support 
rather than illumination.*//*"*/

/Andrew Lang (1844-1912)/

/*"He has Van Gogh's ear for music."*/

/Billy Wilder/

/*"I've had a perfectly wonderful evening. But I'm afraid this wasn't it."*/

/Groucho Marx/

/
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/
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/Cheers, Dave
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From peter.neill at icloud.com  Thu Jul 30 08:04:07 2020
From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 14:04:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Syd Lotterby
Message-ID: <241B4EA7-583C-4D01-9855-49670408B756@icloud.com>

https://mobile.twitter.com/lizo_mzimba/status/1288770663310938113?s=20

Limo Mzimba is reporting that Syd has died. 

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From waresound at msn.com  Thu Jul 30 08:04:56 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:04:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
In-Reply-To: <37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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You could presumably double the storage capability of film by not interrupting the data flow twenty five times in every second.
I wonder how he would have responded if someone had said to him that in just a few years he would be able to store 256GB on a thing the size of a postage stamp.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

>> On 30 Jul 2020, at 11:22, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?On 30/07/2020 10:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> Remember towards the end of the Thames franchise, a very clever engineer,
>> Dr John Emmet - part of the IBA labs located there - was developing a way
>> of recording digital pictures and sound to 16mm B&W film. Which if stored
>> correctly, has a pretty long life. Saw a demonstration, and it seemed very
>> good indeed. With no temptation to 'compress' the data for storage, as
>> seems to happen a lot these days. But I suppose it's old hat now.
> I find that hard to believe. As soon as you digitise picture or sound you need at least twice the bandwidth - sampling theory demands that. You then have the option of data compression to win back the storage (or transmission) density. You can do that using theoretically lossless techniques or the much more effective lossy ones. The digital benefit is avoiding noise problems.
> 
> You would need roughly double the resolution of current 16mm film to store as much on it digitally as you could in analogue fashion ~unless~ you compressed the data. If that was possible we could have had much higher resolution on 16mm film than we did. You ~might~ manage something if you used very slow emulsions (like some microfilm) but the data rate on record would be painfully slow.
> 
> John Emmet was indeed a clever guy but I reckon he must have used compression to make any sort of data storage gain over simple analogue.
> 
> 
> Chris Woolf
> 
> 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Thu Jul 30 10:03:02 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 16:03:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351222A66260384B4943B38A7710@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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The frame interruption is very brief compared to the active picture 
period - it would give you only a improvement of about 5%, not 100%. 
That's roughly the same for both film and TV.

Using a continuous motion mechanism is easier on the medium, but you 
still need to provide some form of word framing to sync the read-out. 
The data overhead on both analogue and digital is not a lot different. 
The limitation with film is purely the resolution of the medium.

How would Emmet have responded? Oh, I think he was one of those 
visionaries who would have said it would be quite possible, though he 
probably wouldn't have given a date.

Chris Woolf


On 30/07/2020 14:04, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> You could presumably double the storage capability of film by not interrupting the data flow twenty five times in every second.
> I wonder how he would have responded if someone had said to him that in just a few years he would be able to store 256GB on a thing the size of a postage stamp.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>>> On 30 Jul 2020, at 11:22, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?On 30/07/2020 10:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> Remember towards the end of the Thames franchise, a very clever engineer,
>>> Dr John Emmet - part of the IBA labs located there - was developing a way
>>> of recording digital pictures and sound to 16mm B&W film. Which if stored
>>> correctly, has a pretty long life. Saw a demonstration, and it seemed very
>>> good indeed. With no temptation to 'compress' the data for storage, as
>>> seems to happen a lot these days. But I suppose it's old hat now.
>> I find that hard to believe. As soon as you digitise picture or sound you need at least twice the bandwidth - sampling theory demands that. You then have the option of data compression to win back the storage (or transmission) density. You can do that using theoretically lossless techniques or the much more effective lossy ones. The digital benefit is avoiding noise problems.
>>
>> You would need roughly double the resolution of current 16mm film to store as much on it digitally as you could in analogue fashion ~unless~ you compressed the data. If that was possible we could have had much higher resolution on 16mm film than we did. You ~might~ manage something if you used very slow emulsions (like some microfilm) but the data rate on record would be painfully slow.
>>
>> John Emmet was indeed a clever guy but I reckon he must have used compression to make any sort of data storage gain over simple analogue.
>>
>>
>> Chris Woolf
>>
>>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Jul 30 09:53:34 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 15:53:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
In-Reply-To: <VI1P189MB0351222A66260384B4943B38A7710@VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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I'm sure he saw that sort of thing coming. But does any solid state
storage have the expected life of film, well stored?



In article
<VI1P189MB0351222A66260384B4943B38A7710 at VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> You could presumably double the storage capability of film by not interrupting the data flow twenty five times in every second.
> I wonder how he would have responded if someone had said to him that in just a few years he would be able to store 256GB on a thing the size of a postage stamp.
> Cheers,
> Nick.

> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> >> On 30 Jul 2020, at 11:22, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> 
> >> #On 30/07/2020 10:49, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> >> Remember towards the end of the Thames franchise, a very clever engineer,
> >> Dr John Emmet - part of the IBA labs located there - was developing a way
> >> of recording digital pictures and sound to 16mm B&W film. Which if stored
> >> correctly, has a pretty long life. Saw a demonstration, and it seemed very
> >> good indeed. With no temptation to 'compress' the data for storage, as
> >> seems to happen a lot these days. But I suppose it's old hat now.
> > I find that hard to believe. As soon as you digitise picture or sound you need at least twice the bandwidth - sampling theory demands that. You then have the option of data compression to win back the storage (or transmission) density. You can do that using theoretically lossless techniques or the much more effective lossy ones. The digital benefit is avoiding noise problems.
> > 
> > You would need roughly double the resolution of current 16mm film to store as much on it digitally as you could in analogue fashion ~unless~ you compressed the data. If that was possible we could have had much higher resolution on 16mm film than we did. You ~might~ manage something if you used very slow emulsions (like some microfilm) but the data rate on record would be painfully slow.
> > 
> > John Emmet was indeed a clever guy but I reckon he must have used compression to make any sort of data storage gain over simple analogue.
> > 
> > 
> > Chris Woolf
> > 
> > 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Thu Jul 30 11:59:40 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:59:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Syd Lotterby
In-Reply-To: <241B4EA7-583C-4D01-9855-49670408B756@icloud.com>
References: <241B4EA7-583C-4D01-9855-49670408B756@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <4E19A8D162D344FC8CE6E3E71F5DAF7A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>

Even though 93 is a damn good innings it?s still very sad news. Most of us will have worked with him on some of his iconic comedy series - his achievements are well documented and will doubtless be acknowledged in the fulsome manner they thoroughly deserve. Over that though wasn?t he such a nice and pleasant man? I certainly found him enormously likeable and I?m sure I?m not alone. It would be nice if some among us might remember the time before his production career when he was a cameraman and perhaps could recount an anecdote or two?

And news I see of Colin Reid on the same day. Another genuinely great guy (was on his crew for a time). Didn?t know him well but feel saddened nevertheless.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Peter Neill via Tech1 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:04 PM
To: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] Syd Lotterby

https://mobile.twitter.com/lizo_mzimba/status/1288770663310938113?s=20 

Limo Mzimba is reporting that Syd has died. 


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From techtone at protonmail.com  Thu Jul 30 15:31:50 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 20:31:50 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid
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I too was on Colin's crew, and can vouch for those recollections of his quiet, calm demeanour, and how he kept a close watch on us 'youngsters' with a quiet word to us after a programme if he thought we could improve our performance, always gently put, but hitting the nail on the head. I remember swinging him on the mole, with Bryn Edwards tracking, and being told by the director at the end of the series that it was the best crane work he'd seen in his 25 years in the business (film & tv). Somehow, no matter what Bryn and I did on the back of the mole, Colin made it look super smooth and polished, in my opinion (who said humble?) he was the best crane cameraman of his generation.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From hughsheppard at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 31 01:12:30 2020
From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 07:12:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid
In-Reply-To: <CokzuJmD8alJL0mvAlpWq1-tEocemg9W6yv4fU9rT_hAzit-Vhk3M38OPjyK8gqL_9aPC25rJP4Beal-YdZ91psuAJPVVbng0Q5-1fC5-aQ=@protonmail.com>
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I'm not sure who is hiding behind the techtone label, but your thoughts 
of Colin Reid triggered a mole memory for me too.

Swinging Laurie Duley on 'Anna Karenina'? with Shaun Connery and Claire 
Bloom for Rudy Cartier was the happiest. No monitors for the mole then - 
in 1961 - so everything down to the tracker (who's name I can't recall) 
and me putting ourselves in Laurie's shoes - or into his viewfinder. On 
the night, our pleasure knew no bounds; not one finger raised from the 
panning handle for in or out, up or down, left or right, throughout. 
What you saw is what we got.

35 years before the BBC mast and 27 since, and still one of the finest 
memories.

Hugh


On 30-Jul-20 9:31 PM, techtone via Tech1 wrote:
> I too was on Colin's crew, and can vouch for those recollections of 
> his quiet, calm demeanour, and how he kept a close watch on us 
> 'youngsters' with a quiet word to us after a programme if he thought 
> we could improve our performance, always gently put, but hitting the 
> nail on the head. I remember swinging him on the mole, with Bryn 
> Edwards tracking, and being told by the director at the end of the 
> series that it was the best crane work he'd seen in his 25 years in 
> the business (film & tv). Somehow, no matter what Bryn and I did on 
> the back of the mole, Colin made it look super smooth and polished, in 
> my opinion (who said humble?) he was the best crane cameraman of his 
> generation.
>
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>
>
>
>
> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com> Secure Email.
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jul 31 04:18:14 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:18:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
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References: <37b27b0c-a2b3-67b1-8cea-f784013fb55e@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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On 30/07/2020 15:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> I'm sure he saw that sort of thing coming. But does any solid state
> storage have the expected life of film, well stored?
>
>
> No, nothing like. However film is essentially a plastic medium, and plastics always want to depolymerise, even if you can extend their life to many decades. But 100 years isn't long in archive terms.
> We are seriously lacking in millenia-proof storage systems that don't require transitory software to decode the results - nopting that compares to clay tablets or even decenly printed books.
Chris Woolf

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul 31 05:21:47 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:21:47 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
In-Reply-To: <7c2c99dd-5834-1388-d758-b62d1cb931cd@chriswoolf.co.uk>
References: <7c2c99dd-5834-1388-d758-b62d1cb931cd@chriswoolf.co.uk>
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But surely, it?s the data not the carrier (medium) that you need to be comparing. It?s far easier to transfer HDD or SSD data content intact to new media, and far more practical to keep multiple identical duplicates in as many locations as you want.
I would suggest that as film deteriorates (which might be in part due to frequent handling, spooling and data retrieval etc.), the content detiorates with it. We know that from looking at scratched and bespotted old movies.
An archive is of limited usefulness if you can?t access it without harming it.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 31 Jul 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?On 30/07/2020 15:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> I'm sure he saw that sort of thing coming. But does any solid state
>> storage have the expected life of film, well stored?
>> 
>> 
>> No, nothing like. However film is essentially a plastic medium, and plastics always want to depolymerise, even if you can extend their life to many decades. But 100 years isn't long in archive terms.
>> We are seriously lacking in millenia-proof storage systems that don't require transitory software to decode the results - nopting that compares to clay tablets or even decenly printed books.
> Chris Woolf
> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 05:42:39 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:42:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Mole stories
Message-ID: <00c201d66727$5039f790$f0ade6b0$@gmail.com>

I joined in September 1963 but it wasn?t till 1964, post TO18 before I got to do any serious mole work, with Frank Wilkins on the front and Clive Halls swinging. Thankfully by then we had a monitor on the arm, if not a tracker one under the platform at the  back, though that would?ve been out of eyeline and of less use. I remember hearing from more senior crew members how in former days the trackers had to learn how to frame a shot by judging camera distance and angle but I never acquired that skill. Even then on training days with Laurie Duley (or ?Lawrie? as Pauline in the office spelt it since it was ?Lawrence?) telling us juniors firmly that we shouldn?t need a monitor. To me it sounded almost as ridiculous as saying that the cameraman shouldn?t need a viewfinder and I can understand how trackers and swingers who did a good job without a monitor must feel an extra sense of pride at their achievement.

 

Clive Halls incidentally was such a cheery, encouraging sort of guy that it was a pleasure to work with him and I was sorry when he left. That was in the golden age of studio drama with Play for Today, The Wednesday Play, Thirty Minute Theatre and specials like Elizabeth R with Glenda Jackson as well as the occasional ballet or musical too. Among them was a play called ?Progress to the Park? which we did in TC1. Walking back into the studio from a tea break, a man asked me casually how it was going and I said somewhat scornfully that the play was ?typical Alun Owen,? a spur of the moment comment. I thought no more of it till a while later, the producer Cedric Messina came over and asked us who?d been upsetting the playwright! Somewhat ruefully I owned up and had to explain.

There were more lessons to be learnt than simply how to operate, weren?t there,

Geoff Hawkes

 

From: Tech1 <tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk> On Behalf Of Hugh Sheppard via Tech1
Sent: 31 July 2020 07:13
To: Tech1 at tech-ops <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Colin Reid

 

I'm not sure who is hiding behind the techtone label, but your thoughts of Colin Reid triggered a mole memory for me too.

Swinging Laurie Duley on 'Anna Karenina'  with Shaun Connery and Claire Bloom for Rudy Cartier was the happiest. No monitors for the mole then - in 1961 - so everything down to the tracker (who's name I can't recall) and me putting ourselves in Laurie's shoes - or into his viewfinder. On the night, our pleasure knew no bounds; not one finger raised from the panning handle for in or out, up or down, left or right, throughout. What you saw is what we got.

35 years before the BBC mast and 27 since, and still one of the finest memories.  

Hugh



On 30-Jul-20 9:31 PM, techtone via Tech1 wrote:

I too was on Colin's crew, and can vouch for those recollections of his quiet, calm demeanour, and how he kept a close watch on us 'youngsters' with a quiet word to us after a programme if he thought we could improve our performance, always gently put, but hitting the nail on the head. I remember swinging him on the mole, with Bryn Edwards tracking, and being told by the director at the end of the series that it was the best crane work he'd seen in his 25 years in the business (film & tv). Somehow, no matter what Bryn and I did on the back of the mole, Colin made it look super smooth and polished, in my opinion (who said humble?) he was the best crane cameraman of his generation.

 

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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jul 31 07:47:17 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:47:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
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Yes, I agree that distributed digital data preserves content very 
reliably, but...

It relies on multiple repeated acts of copying, which are very hard for 
an archivist to control. Who checks backups even over a year or two, let 
alone a century or more.

I can understand why they hate the idea of not having a straightforward 
physical storage "thing" that just exists permanently.

I watched a lovely demo a few years back, of a 78rpm shellac disk being 
played on a manually spun car flywheel, with a bent pin attached to a 
paper cup as a sound follower - intelligible content with minimal 
mechanics - versus the near impossibility of playing an F1 recording - 
very specific hardware and software needed which will certainly not be 
there is even a few years.

Chris Woolf

On 31/07/2020 11:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> But surely, it?s the data not the carrier (medium) that you need to be comparing. It?s far easier to transfer HDD or SSD data content intact to new media, and far more practical to keep multiple identical duplicates in as many locations as you want.
> I would suggest that as film deteriorates (which might be in part due to frequent handling, spooling and data retrieval etc.), the content detiorates with it. We know that from looking at scratched and bespotted old movies.
> An archive is of limited usefulness if you can?t access it without harming it.
> Nick.
>
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>> On 31 Jul 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ?On 30/07/2020 15:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>>> I'm sure he saw that sort of thing coming. But does any solid state
>>> storage have the expected life of film, well stored?
>>>
>>>
>>> No, nothing like. However film is essentially a plastic medium, and plastics always want to depolymerise, even if you can extend their life to many decades. But 100 years isn't long in archive terms.
>>> We are seriously lacking in millenia-proof storage systems that don't require transitory software to decode the results - nopting that compares to clay tablets or even decenly printed books.
>> Chris Woolf
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Fri Jul 31 08:06:41 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:06:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
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Yes it's easy to backup something digital. Provided someone remembers to
do it, or makes sure it is done automatically. Sadly, there are still
humans around. ;-) 


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<VI1P189MB03512C740A3024E617E8EAD9A74E0 at VI1P189MB0351.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> But surely, it?s the data not the carrier (medium) that you need to be comparing. It?s far easier to transfer HDD or SSD data content intact to new media, and far more practical to keep multiple identical duplicates in as many locations as you want.
> I would suggest that as film deteriorates (which might be in part due to frequent handling, spooling and data retrieval etc.), the content detiorates with it. We know that from looking at scratched and bespotted old movies.
> An archive is of limited usefulness if you can?t access it without harming it.
> Nick.

> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> > On 31 Jul 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> > 
> > #On 30/07/2020 15:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
> >> I'm sure he saw that sort of thing coming. But does any solid state
> >> storage have the expected life of film, well stored?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> No, nothing like. However film is essentially a plastic medium, and plastics always want to depolymerise, even if you can extend their life to many decades. But 100 years isn't long in archive terms.
> >> We are seriously lacking in millenia-proof storage systems that don't require transitory software to decode the results - nopting that compares to clay tablets or even decenly printed books.
> > Chris Woolf
> > 
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Fri Jul 31 08:28:49 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:28:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
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It's worth looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose_acetate_film

Acetate film was reckoned to be "permanent" by comparison with nitrate, 
but was soon shown to be only a little bit better - after 150 years you 
can probably say bye-bye even if the stuff is stored carefully.

In theory polyester film is better, and could last 500 years, but 
contaminants (and that includes the dyes used to form an image) can 
reduce that dramatically.? Plastics really are very temporary materials.

Chris Woolf


On 31/07/2020 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote:
> On 30/07/2020 15:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
>> I'm sure he saw that sort of thing coming. But does any solid state
>> storage have the expected life of film, well stored?
>>
>>
>> No, nothing like. However film is essentially a plastic medium, and 
>> plastics always want to depolymerise, even if you can extend their 
>> life to many decades. But 100 years isn't long in archive terms.
>> We are seriously lacking in millenia-proof storage systems that don't 
>> require transitory software to decode the results - nopting that 
>> compares to clay tablets or even decenly printed books.
> Chris Woolf
>

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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Jul 31 08:56:00 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 13:56:00 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] How to store websites, etc
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Just for fun: here?s a 78rpm shellac gramophone record dating from 1927. My long-since departed father had a younger brother Norman who recorded a set of ten singing tuition discs for HMV. The boxed set, complete with all the correspondence between my Gran and The Gramophone Company record producer was handed down to me a few years ago. Prior to that, I had no knowledge of its existence. The piano accompanist was Henry Hall.
Rather than think I knew best, I got a 78rpm specialist to copy them to WAV files for me, and I copied all the artwork and correspondence. Having done that and made CD?s for family, etc., it?s all now donated to a safe archive of recorded Church music, based I?m told, at Durham University. Careful cleaning, and a light dollop of Cedar, and the sound quality is no worse than you?d expect. It was a very early electrical recording.
Not quite 100 years, but getting there!
Sadly Norman died of Tuberculosis aged 18, before his voice ?broke?, and my Dad only made it to 63.

From an archive point of view, this isn?t just a digitised copy, it?s the real thing, complete with all its documentation.
[cid:AAAAA883-BC6B-4102-A05F-C3B126EBA735]
Cheers,
Nick.
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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 31 Jul 2020, at 13:47, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?Yes, I agree that distributed digital data preserves content very reliably, but...

It relies on multiple repeated acts of copying, which are very hard for an archivist to control. Who checks backups even over a year or two, let alone a century or more.

I can understand why they hate the idea of not having a straightforward physical storage "thing" that just exists permanently.

I watched a lovely demo a few years back, of a 78rpm shellac disk being played on a manually spun car flywheel, with a bent pin attached to a paper cup as a sound follower - intelligible content with minimal mechanics - versus the near impossibility of playing an F1 recording - very specific hardware and software needed which will certainly not be there is even a few years.

Chris Woolf

On 31/07/2020 11:21, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
But surely, it?s the data not the carrier (medium) that you need to be comparing. It?s far easier to transfer HDD or SSD data content intact to new media, and far more practical to keep multiple identical duplicates in as many locations as you want.
I would suggest that as film deteriorates (which might be in part due to frequent handling, spooling and data retrieval etc.), the content detiorates with it. We know that from looking at scratched and bespotted old movies.
An archive is of limited usefulness if you can?t access it without harming it.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 31 Jul 2020, at 10:18, Chris Woolf via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?On 30/07/2020 15:53, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote:
I'm sure he saw that sort of thing coming. But does any solid state
storage have the expected life of film, well stored?


No, nothing like. However film is essentially a plastic medium, and plastics always want to depolymerise, even if you can extend their life to many decades. But 100 years isn't long in archive terms.
We are seriously lacking in millenia-proof storage systems that don't require transitory software to decode the results - nopting that compares to clay tablets or even decenly printed books.
Chris Woolf

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