From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Dec 1 09:35:37 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 15:35:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Variation on the old "red sky at night" verse In-Reply-To: <0c611d15-49eb-7a5a-95cd-ed8446654937@gmail.com> References: <0c611d15-49eb-7a5a-95cd-ed8446654937@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fc662c9.1c69fb81.4a0e.9023@mx.google.com> One of the best uses of green screen that I?ve seen, was the film ?Sully? about the jetliner having to land in the Hudson River after a bird strike. I saw a sequence showing the mock up fuselage in a tank, with huge sheets of green around that the city skyline was eventually matted in. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 29 November 2020 10:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Variation on the old "red sky at night" verse I'm teaching myself DaVinci Resolve Fusion (free software!), so a small challenge for me and anyone else who would like to exercise their lockdown brain. The original is a bit small and smudgy, but the result isn't too bad. Much easier in Photoshop (or whatever), but that isn't the point. On 29/11/2020 10:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: ? ? Most be the Manchester air pollution causing this an a forthcoming episode of Corrie! ? ? ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55101771 ? Mike -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: icfbcighphfhiign.png Type: image/png Size: 29538 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 05:41:38 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 11:41:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Variation on the old "red sky at night" verse In-Reply-To: <5fc662c9.1c69fb81.4a0e.9023@mx.google.com> References: <0c611d15-49eb-7a5a-95cd-ed8446654937@gmail.com> <5fc662c9.1c69fb81.4a0e.9023@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <37eed491.16887.176234206e6.Webtop.116@btinternet.com> Your reference to the 'Red Sky at Night' rhyme, has reminded me of Graeme Garden's (alleged) Olde Cornish Proverb - "When Skies and Dark, and getting Blacker, Heed Ye Tomasz Shafernaker." luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "patheigham via Tech1" To: "Bernard Newnham" ; "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Tuesday, 1 Dec, 20 At 15:35 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Variation on the old "red sky at night" verse One of the best uses of green screen that I?ve seen, was the film ?Sully? about the jetliner having to land in the Hudson River after a bird strike. I saw a sequence showing the mock up fuselage in a tank, with huge sheets of green around that the city skyline was eventually matted in. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 29 November 2020 10:50 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Variation on the old "red sky at night" verse I'm teaching myself DaVinci Resolve Fusion (free software!), so a small challenge for me and anyone else who would like to exercise their lockdown brain. The original is a bit small and smudgy, but the result isn't too bad. Much easier in Photoshop (or whatever), but that isn't the point. On 29/11/2020 10:03, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: Most be the Manchester air pollution causing this an a forthcoming episode of Corrie! Sair Khan and Ian Bartholomew filming Coronation Street https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-55101771 Mike Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 07:46:07 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:46:07 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Message-ID: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> Been discussion about this on a FB group. I remember working on the pilot, in Riverside 1, while on Crew 13 - which was still sort of a training crew at that time. The same pilot was also made in another studio about the same time. I'm told I'm wrong. Yet the memories are there - including discussing it in the pub afterwards and the general view the prog would never make it to air. ;-) Do remember 'our' version was never used. The other one was. It's possible it was some form of training or exercise, of course. Possibly to do with video FX or whatever. But very unlikely just to be used for training, given the whole cast being used and so soon after the other pilot. Anyone from the early days of Crew 13 remember? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 11:54:21 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 17:54:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> Over the years, I've learned that what is remembered is what one last remembered, which may not always be quite the same as recalling the original event. But my own revisited memory is of being the cameraman for Norman Taylor on a 12 x 9 'Dr. Who' caption as he lit matches in front of it to provoke a howl round. Graphics designer Bernard Lodge was the third person present on the floor of an otherwise bare TC5. Someone else upstairs cued the recordings of several very similar sequences, possibly with audio content, but I'm less sure of that. I do recall Bernard and Norman being delighted, and that one such sequence found its way to the opening titles of first episode of the first series of Dr. Who - and then many more. Who would now be able to corroborate that may be another matter! Hugh On 02-Dec-20 1:46 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Been discussion about this on a FB group. > > I remember working on the pilot, in Riverside 1, while on Crew 13 - which > was still sort of a training crew at that time. The same pilot was also > made in another studio about the same time. I'm told I'm wrong. Yet the > memories are there - including discussing it in the pub afterwards and the > general view the prog would never make it to air. ;-) > > Do remember 'our' version was never used. The other one was. > > It's possible it was some form of training or exercise, of course. > Possibly to do with video FX or whatever. But very unlikely just to be > used for training, given the whole cast being used and so soon after the > other pilot. > > Anyone from the early days of Crew 13 remember? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:22:44 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 18:22:44 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6AE6A6EC5BE74BC18CA6A3A4FCDABEEF@0023242e4e14> Hi Hugh That matches the surviving paper trail which confirms: Sat 31-08-1963 Studio Five Television Centre 16:00 - 17:00 Caption inserts for the first episode on 35mm silent film The earlier sequences were filmed at Ealing on Tue 20-08-1963. From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:54 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Over the years, I've learned that what is remembered is what one last remembered, which may not always be quite the same as recalling the original event. But my own revisited memory is of being the cameraman for Norman Taylor on a 12 x 9 'Dr. Who' caption as he lit matches in front of it to provoke a howl round. Graphics designer Bernard Lodge was the third person present on the floor of an otherwise bare TC5. Someone else upstairs cued the recordings of several very similar sequences, possibly with audio content, but I'm less sure of that. I do recall Bernard and Norman being delighted, and that one such sequence found its way to the opening titles of first episode of the first series of Dr. Who - and then many more. Who would now be able to corroborate that may be another matter! Hugh On 02-Dec-20 1:46 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Been discussion about this on a FB group. I remember working on the pilot, in Riverside 1, while on Crew 13 - which was still sort of a training crew at that time. The same pilot was also made in another studio about the same time. I'm told I'm wrong. Yet the memories are there - including discussing it in the pub afterwards and the general view the prog would never make it to air. ;-) Do remember 'our' version was never used. The other one was. It's possible it was some form of training or exercise, of course. Possibly to do with video FX or whatever. But very unlikely just to be used for training, given the whole cast being used and so soon after the other pilot. Anyone from the early days of Crew 13 remember? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 13:10:02 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 19:10:02 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58d8af77e8davesound@btinternet.com> In article <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e at btinternet.com>, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Over the years, I've learned that what is remembered is what one last > remembered, which may not always be quite the same as recalling the > original event. Oh, indeed. But for some reason the discussion in the pub afterwards sticks in my mind. Anyone have a crew list from those times? Jog my memory just who was on Crew 13 then? Although it might well still have been known as the training crew. Pete Granger became the SC about that time. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jccglass at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 13:35:19 2020 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:35:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <0E352BA9C3504E5B9903AEA04F2E9134@dell9100> Mis remembered? I also worked on DR Who howl round with a camera pointed at a monitor slightly tilted to induce a suitable swirl and fine tweeking of feeds from B bank mix perfect on rehersal not so good on recording tc3 i thought odd thing is looking at my 1963 diary i have no record of working on dr WHo that year was busy doing marriage line dixon and millicent martin with crew10 apart from 2 days in R1 sep3 and 4th programe not noted chris From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 13:50:58 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:50:58 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <0E352BA9C3504E5B9903AEA04F2E9134@dell9100> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com><2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> <0E352BA9C3504E5B9903AEA04F2E9134@dell9100> Message-ID: <57C293A04BF14F888B26F3FD8F081AB3@0023242e4e14> Could it have been either of the two later title sequences? Fri 09-12-1966 Studio Two Television Centre The new title sequence featuring Patrick Troughton Sun 03-08-1969 Studio Five Television Centre 18:30 - 19:30 The new title sequence featuring Jon Pertwee Both used the same technique. -----Original Message----- From: Chris on gmail via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 7:35 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Mis remembered? I also worked on DR Who howl round with a camera pointed at a monitor slightly tilted to induce a suitable swirl and fine tweeking of feeds from B bank mix perfect on rehersal not so good on recording tc3 i thought odd thing is looking at my 1963 diary i have no record of working on dr WHo that year was busy doing marriage line dixon and millicent martin with crew10 apart from 2 days in R1 sep3 and 4th programe not noted chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 13:57:03 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:57:03 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <0E352BA9C3504E5B9903AEA04F2E9134@dell9100> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com><2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> <0E352BA9C3504E5B9903AEA04F2E9134@dell9100> Message-ID: I suspect the Riverside dates were most likely for Compact. It would fit the one day Live/one day recorded schedule. -----Original Message----- From: Chris on gmail via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 7:35 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Mis remembered? I also worked on DR Who howl round with a camera pointed at a monitor slightly tilted to induce a suitable swirl and fine tweeking of feeds from B bank mix perfect on rehersal not so good on recording tc3 i thought odd thing is looking at my 1963 diary i have no record of working on dr WHo that year was busy doing marriage line dixon and millicent martin with crew10 apart from 2 days in R1 sep3 and 4th programe not noted chris -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Dec 2 14:01:23 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 20:01:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <6AE6A6EC5BE74BC18CA6A3A4FCDABEEF@0023242e4e14> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> <6AE6A6EC5BE74BC18CA6A3A4FCDABEEF@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <5fc7f294.1c69fb81.e22f0.caef@mx.google.com> While I was not on the show earlier, I looked after Grams from around 1963. David Brunt?s excellent production guide has most everything about the programme ? a real labour of love, thank you, David! I attach a number of infos. A publicity shot of Bish & me with Verity Lambert in the Sound Control of LG ?D?. A circuit diagram of the Dalek voices set-up (which got circulated with ?my? name erased!) and a resume of the day?s work on the show. Great fun to work on and a chunk of my professional life. The other photo is during a recording session for the audio commentary for a DVD release of the ?Ice Warriors? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 02 December 2020 18:23 To: Hugh Sheppard; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Hi Hugh That matches the surviving paper trail which confirms: Sat 31-08-1963 Studio Five Television Centre 16:00 - 17:00 Caption inserts for the first episode on 35mm silent film http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Dr. Who.doc Type: application/msword Size: 27648 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Just wait until you see the yearly BBC Studio/Location (Filming & OB) recording book/s, I?ve got slowly coming together. The mid-70s are filled up nicely for entries at the moment but there?s still a lot of empty spaces in the 1960s left to collate. David From: patheigham Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:01 PM To: David Brunt ; Hugh Sheppard ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: RE: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. While I was not on the show earlier, I looked after Grams from around 1963. David Brunt?s excellent production guide has most everything about the programme ? a real labour of love, thank you, David! I attach a number of infos. A publicity shot of Bish & me with Verity Lambert in the Sound Control of LG ?D?. A circuit diagram of the Dalek voices set-up (which got circulated with ?my? name erased!) and a resume of the day?s work on the show. Great fun to work on and a chunk of my professional life. The other photo is during a recording session for the audio commentary for a DVD release of the ?Ice Warriors? Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 02 December 2020 18:23 To: Hugh Sheppard; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Hi Hugh That matches the surviving paper trail which confirms: Sat 31-08-1963 Studio Five Television Centre 16:00 - 17:00 Caption inserts for the first episode on 35mm silent film http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 69C51DCCA5D042E4891F4335DB0BFEB6.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 54554 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 68207EB3824841CD930BC20DFBD5188C.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 52501 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Dec 2 14:29:15 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 20:29:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <0E352BA9C3504E5B9903AEA04F2E9134@dell9100> References: <0E352BA9C3504E5B9903AEA04F2E9134@dell9100> Message-ID: <9D7EA313-2C33-46FD-8F55-3EF6F32B493A@gmail.com> Nice to have these recollections of working on Dr Who. Pointing a camera at a monitor line reversed to generate the video howl round was standard procedure in the early days, as was doing the rapid zoom in on the ship caption at the end of Blue Peter and I like many others did plenty of both. A note for anyone posting messages on this forum, please remember to identify yourself sufficiently for the benefit of your readers who may not know who you are by your given name alone, Geoff Hawkes > On 2 Dec 2020, at 19:35, Chris on gmail via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Mis remembered? > I also worked on DR Who howl round with a camera pointed at a monitor slightly tilted to induce a suitable swirl and fine tweeking of feeds from B bank mix > > perfect on rehersal not so good on recording tc3 i thought > odd thing is looking at my 1963 diary i have no record of working on dr WHo that year > was busy doing marriage line dixon and millicent martin with crew10 > apart from 2 days in R1 sep3 and 4th programe not noted > > chris > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Dec 2 14:31:57 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 20:31:57 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <58d8af77e8davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com><2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> <58d8af77e8davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1EBB3C3CB4FB411CB1307F6A817CBFED@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Dave - I just looked at Mike Du Boulay's crew staff list for March 1964. Crews 1-15 inclusive except no Crew 13. There is an anticipatory header for Crew 16 but no personnel listed. So if Crew 13, as you suggest, was likely known as the 'training crew' I wonder why it doesn't show? Perhaps all of you were the BBC's secret weapon! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 7:10 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In article <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e at btinternet.com>, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Over the years, I've learned that what is remembered is what one last > remembered, which may not always be quite the same as recalling the > original event. Oh, indeed. But for some reason the discussion in the pub afterwards sticks in my mind. Anyone have a crew list from those times? Jog my memory just who was on Crew 13 then? Although it might well still have been known as the training crew. Pete Granger became the SC about that time. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 15:14:18 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 21:14:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr. Who pilot Message-ID: We had this discussion a long time ago! I remember a session in Studio D where a CPS Emitron camera (well know for it's peels!) was pointed at a monitor and moved around to get a suitable 'video howl'. End of! They may have tried later in different studios which I don't know about but I certainly worked on the first few Dr. Whos in D, and very smelly it was! Tungsten 4-lights , bare feet, and animal skins don't make a nice aroma! Needless-to-say, the door to the fire-escape gave us a welcome breath of fresh air! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 16:24:17 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 22:24:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] How to encourage people Message-ID: <977e2ac1-fd75-5144-551e-f4a3276b984e@btinternet.com> It has been announced today that first class stamps will cost 9p. more from January 1st. and second class 1p. more, Easy Jet are to start charging for the use of the overhead cabin lockers, when you already have to pay for hold luggage, are these people mad, do they think it will encourage people to use their services? Answers on a post card (2nd. class please!) Cheers, Dave From waresound at msn.com Wed Dec 2 16:50:43 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 22:50:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot Message-ID: ? Bums, done it again. N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 Begin forwarded message: From: "dave.mdv via Tech1" Date: 2 December 2020 at 21:14:05 GMT To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Dr. Who pilot Reply-To: "dave.mdv" ?We had this discussion a long time ago! I remember a session in Studio D where a CPS Emitron camera (well know for it's peels!) was pointed at a monitor and moved around to get a suitable 'video howl'. End of! They may have tried later in different studios which I don't know about but I certainly worked on the first few Dr. Whos in D, and very smelly it was! Tungsten 4-lights , bare feet, and animal skins don't make a nice aroma! Needless-to-say, the door to the fire-escape gave us a welcome breath of fresh air! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Dec 2 17:53:25 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 23:53:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did hear that someone managed to get a TR90, in spool mode, to show a Maltese cross picture! Hello, Vera! Cheers, Dave On 02/12/2020 22:50, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > ? > Bums, done it again. > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > Begin forwarded message: > >> *From:* "dave.mdv via Tech1" >> *Date:* 2 December 2020 at 21:14:05 GMT >> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* *[Tech1] Dr. Who pilot* >> *Reply-To:* "dave.mdv" >> >> ?We had this discussion a long time ago! I remember a session in >> Studio D where a CPS Emitron camera (well know for it's peels!) was >> pointed at a monitor and moved around to get a suitable 'video howl'. >> End of! They may have tried later in different studios which I don't >> know about but I certainly worked on the first few Dr. Whos in D, and >> very smelly it was! Tungsten 4-lights , bare feet, and animal skins >> don't make a nice aroma! Needless-to-say, the door to the fire-escape >> gave us a welcome breath of fresh air! Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Thu Dec 3 02:19:21 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 08:19:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <6AE6A6EC5BE74BC18CA6A3A4FCDABEEF@0023242e4e14> References: <58d891d050davesound@btinternet.com> <2fa838ab-88b1-579a-b4e9-6bfbe1c1472e@btinternet.com> <6AE6A6EC5BE74BC18CA6A3A4FCDABEEF@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <83781461-e1ec-9b88-34a6-73630382c2dc@btinternet.com> Thanks to David's corroboration, at least I now know precisely where I was on an August Saturday 57 years ago! Here's the note again, mildly tweaked for the record: 'Over the years, I've learned that what is remembered is what one last remembered, which may not always be quite the same as recalling the original event. But my own revisited memory is of being the cameraman for Norman Taylor on a 12 x 9 'Dr. Who' caption as he lit matches in front of it to provoke a howl round. Graphics designer Bernard Lodge was the third person present on the floor of an otherwise bare TC5. Someone else upstairs cued the recordings of several very similar sequences, possibly with audio content, but I'm less sure of that. I do recall Bernard and Norman being delighted, and that one such sequence found its way to the opening titles of the first episode of Dr. Who - and then many more. Who would now be able to corroborate that may be another matter!' Hugh On 02-Dec-20 6:22 PM, David Brunt wrote: > Hi Hugh > > That matches the surviving paper trail which confirms: > > Sat 31-08-1963 > Studio Five Television Centre 16:00 - 17:00 > Caption inserts for the first episode on 35mm silent film > > The earlier sequences were filmed at Ealing on Tue 20-08-1963. > > > *From:* Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2020 5:54 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. > Over the years, I've learned that what is remembered is what one last > remembered, which may not always be quite the same as recalling the > original event. > > But my own revisited memory is of being the cameraman for Norman > Taylor on a 12 x 9 'Dr. Who' caption as he lit matches in front of it > to provoke a howl round. Graphics designer Bernard Lodge was the third > person present on the floor of an otherwise bare TC5. Someone else > upstairs cued the recordings of several very similar sequences, > possibly with audio content, but I'm less sure of that. I do recall > Bernard and Norman being delighted, and that one such sequence found > its way to the opening titles of first episode of the first series of > Dr. Who - and then many more. > > Who would now be able to corroborate that may be another matter! > > Hugh > > On 02-Dec-20 1:46 PM, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Been discussion about this on a FB group. >> >> I remember working on the pilot, in Riverside 1, while on Crew 13 - which >> was still sort of a training crew at that time. The same pilot was also >> made in another studio about the same time. I'm told I'm wrong. Yet the >> memories are there - including discussing it in the pub afterwards and the >> general view the prog would never make it to air. ;-) >> >> Do remember 'our' version was never used. The other one was. >> >> It's possible it was some form of training or exercise, of course. >> Possibly to do with video FX or whatever. But very unlikely just to be >> used for training, given the whole cast being used and so soon after the >> other pilot. >> >> Anyone from the early days of Crew 13 remember? >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Thu Dec 3 02:30:34 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 08:30:34 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] How to encourage people In-Reply-To: <977e2ac1-fd75-5144-551e-f4a3276b984e@btinternet.com> References: <977e2ac1-fd75-5144-551e-f4a3276b984e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <81AAAD2DA3CA48668277BF8E92D22B17@Gigabyte> So todays thing to do is rush out and buy lots of stamps (well first class anyway if you ever need them) Mike -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 10:24 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] How to encourage people It has been announced today that first class stamps will cost 9p. more from January 1st. and second class 1p. more, Easy Jet are to start charging for the use of the overhead cabin lockers, when you already have to pay for hold luggage, are these people mad, do they think it will encourage people to use their services? Answers on a post card (2nd. class please!) Cheers, Dave From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu Dec 3 03:51:27 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 09:51:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At one time there was a capstan sleeve available for a TR90 in the TV Theatre enabling it to run at about 30ips. It managed to record pulse & bar albeit not locked. Hibou On 02/12/2020 23:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > I did hear that someone managed to get a TR90, in spool mode, to show > a Maltese cross picture! Hello, Vera! Cheers, Dave > > On 02/12/2020 22:50, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> ? >> Bums, done it again. >> N. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> *From:* "dave.mdv via Tech1" >>> *Date:* 2 December 2020 at 21:14:05 GMT >>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> *Subject:* *[Tech1] Dr. Who pilot* >>> *Reply-To:* "dave.mdv" >>> >>> ?We had this discussion a long time ago! I remember a session in >>> Studio D where a CPS Emitron camera (well know for it's peels!) was >>> pointed at a monitor and moved around to get a suitable 'video >>> howl'. End of! They may have tried later in different studios which >>> I don't know about but I certainly worked on the first few Dr. Whos >>> in D, and very smelly it was! Tungsten 4-lights , bare feet, and >>> animal skins don't make a nice aroma! Needless-to-say, the door to >>> the fire-escape gave us a welcome breath of fresh air! Cheers, Dave >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 3 04:47:18 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 10:47:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Message-ID: <58d9054723davesound@btinternet.com> Sorry if this is a duplicate. Got a message saying my server failed to accept the body of this post. I can't remember when it became a 'proper' crew. I joined it after the TO course. In those days you did a spell at the studios before the TO course - mine was with Crew 5. For quite a while as that embryonic crew, it was at Riverside - which wasn't used for any real productions, until after IIRC it had new cameras and converted to 625. We also has a 'permanent' SS - Alan Edmunds, who'd joined from radio. I've no doubt the Dr Who was some form of training or whatever. It may not even have been recorded on tape, but telerecord only. But very unlikely they got the sets and cast for something which was only staff training. Of course the time would have been late '63. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 3 04:51:28 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 10:51:28 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58d905a910davesound@btinternet.com> Do I remember hearing you'd attempted to record video on your domestic reel to reel, John? In article , John Howell via Tech1 wrote: > At one time there was a capstan sleeve available for a TR90 in the TV > Theatre enabling it to run at about 30ips. It managed to record pulse & > bar albeit not locked. > Hibou > On 02/12/2020 23:53, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > > > I did hear that someone managed to get a TR90, in spool mode, to show > > a Maltese cross picture! Hello, Vera! Cheers, Dave > > > > On 02/12/2020 22:50, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > >> # > >> Bums, done it again. > >> N. > >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> > >> Begin forwarded message: > >> > >>> *From:* "dave.mdv via Tech1" > >>> *Date:* 2 December 2020 at 21:14:05 GMT > >>> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> *Subject:* *[Tech1] Dr. Who pilot* > >>> *Reply-To:* "dave.mdv" > >>> > >>> #We had this discussion a long time ago! I remember a session in > >>> Studio D where a CPS Emitron camera (well know for it's peels!) was > >>> pointed at a monitor and moved around to get a suitable 'video > >>> howl'. End of! They may have tried later in different studios which > >>> I don't know about but I certainly worked on the first few Dr. Whos > >>> in D, and very smelly it was! Tungsten 4-lights , bare feet, and > >>> animal skins don't make a nice aroma! Needless-to-say, the door to > >>> the fire-escape gave us a welcome breath of fresh air! Cheers, Dave > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> > > -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Thu Dec 3 05:20:07 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 11:20:07 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F8F7BD4A3214092B2D8FDA279BA9DB2@Gigabyte> A bit like someone tried to record 405 vision from AP on a BTR2 (? the big green thing) and it just about worked. Bit like these? Mike From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 9:51 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot At one time there was a capstan sleeve available for a TR90 in the TV Theatre enabling it to run at about 30ips. It managed to record pulse & bar albeit not locked. Hibou -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There were two in the Riverside music studio before the Studers were installed. Also remember going to the Radio/Hi-Fi show at the Russell Hotel, where I was enthralled at the quality of an Ampex ?? deck running at 30 ips with huge Tannoy Autograph speakers delivering wonderful sounds. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Jordan via Tech1 Sent: 03 December 2020 11:20 To: John Howell; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot A bit like someone tried to record 405 vision from AP on a BTR2 (? the big green thing) and it just about worked. ? Bit like these? ? Mike ? From: John Howell via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2020 9:51 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot ? At one time there was a capstan sleeve available for a TR90 in the TV Theatre enabling it to run at about 30ips. It managed to record pulse & bar albeit not locked. Hibou -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Dec 3 06:12:47 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 12:12:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <58d9054723davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58d9054723davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112@btinternet.com> I'm getting confused now. Are we talking about the pilot episode, the full programme which had to be re-shot because of technical errors? Or are we talking about the recoding of the video howl-rounds for the titles? Both before my time. I claim no personal knowledge. I did read somewhere that video howls had previously be used for the supernatural play "Tobias and the Angel", and that some of those effects were edited into the Doctor Who titles, in addition to those which were shot specially. Serious historians please correct me. When I reached Evesham, a couple of years later, and they let us play with the gear, one of the first things I wanted to try was pointing a camera at a monitor to recreate those patterns. We soon discovered that you needed ambient reflections to trigger the howl, and a slight imbalance of shot size to create those long snaking trails. Then by reversing scans you could make patterns that were 2-way or 4-way symmetrical. At one point we managed to create a whirlpool effect. Can't remember how we did this now, since it would have required rotational symmetry, not just up-down left-right. I thought it was an idea I could sell to 'Doctor Who', and even started to dream up a script. But, having watched 'An Unearthly Child' again recently, I discovered that they had already used the whirlpool pattern, not in the titles, but when the Tardis was moving through space-time. Someone got there before me! I was very into dynamic art at the time - Alexander Calder's mobiles, Marcell Duchamp's rotoreliefs, etc. - and felt that video howls could create moving patterns that were far more free-form than anything mechanical. So, why has no one ever claimed them as 'Art'? Same with the music. In theory I was a fan of Musique Concrete, Electronic Music, Sculpture Sonore, etc. and other trendy means of creating music without conventional instruments. But, in practice, they never seemed to come up with a decent tune. (The "Forbidden Planet" music had great atmosphere, but you can't exactly hum it.) Then, what Ron Grainer, Delia Derbyshire, Dick Mills and the BBC Radiophonic Workshop did with the "Doctor Who" theme absolutely cracked it! Experimental, unconventional, imaginative, unearthly, but with a catchy tune and rhythm that would pass the Old Grey Whistle Test. It should be regarded as a definitive masterpiece of 20th Century avant-guard music - not just a TV theme! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Sent: Thursday, 3 Dec, 20 At 10:47 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Sorry if this is a duplicate. Got a message saying my server failed to accept the body of this post. I can't remember when it became a 'proper' crew. I joined it after the TO course. In those days you did a spell at the studios before the TO course - mine was with Crew 5. For quite a while as that embryonic crew, it was at Riverside - which wasn't used for any real productions, until after IIRC it had new cameras and converted to 625. We also has a 'permanent' SS - Alan Edmunds, who'd joined from radio. I've no doubt the Dr Who was some form of training or whatever. It may not even have been recorded on tape, but telerecord only. But very unlikely they got the sets and cast for something which was only staff training. Of course the time would have been late '63. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Dec 3 06:28:29 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 12:28:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Not Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112@btinternet.com> References: <58d9054723davesound@btinternet.com> <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fc8d9ed.1c69fb81.3bc4.536b@mx.google.com> Sussex Police Arrest I receive the Surrey Police Neighbourhood Watch newsletters ? thought folks would be amused at the attached tale! Bet the felon wished he could start his day again! Best Pat (Apologies, Bob, this might come to you twice!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Sussex Police arrest.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 54377 bytes Desc: not available URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 3 07:25:19 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 13:25:19 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Dr. Who pilot In-Reply-To: <5fc8d3cf.1c69fb81.b0b3d.43bb@mx.google.com> References: <6F8F7BD4A3214092B2D8FDA279BA9DB2@Gigabyte> <5fc8d3cf.1c69fb81.b0b3d.43bb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58d913be35davesound@btinternet.com> In article <5fc8d3cf.1c69fb81.b0b3d.43bb at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I have a faint memory of the BTR2 being capable of 30ips. There were two > in the Riverside music studio before the Studers were installed. > Also remember going to the Radio/Hi-Fi show at the Russell Hotel, where > I was enthralled at the quality of an Ampex ?? deck running at 30 ips > with huge Tannoy Autograph speakers delivering wonderful sounds. Pretty certain 30 ips was fairly standard in the music recording industry in the early days. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 3 07:22:17 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 13:22:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112@btinternet.com> References: <58d9054723davesound@btinternet.com> <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58d91377c7davesound@btinternet.com> In article <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112 at btinternet.com>, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > I'm getting confused now. Are we talking about the pilot episode, the > full programme which had to be re-shot because of technical errors? Or > are we talking about the recoding of the video howl-rounds for the > titles? Both before my time. I claim no personal knowledge. I think I know what I'm talking about, Roger. ;-) It was what I remember being told was the pilot done for a second time at R1. Sometime close to when the original was made by a 'proper' crew. With the full set and cast. I really can't see this being mounted for pure crew training (far too expensive) - it must have had another purpose. I could be persuaded I'd imagined it all - except that no-one seems to know anything about this training crew that became Crew 13 either. We on it certainly knew it as Crew 13 before it appeared in the normal TODS. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mibridge at mac.com Thu Dec 3 07:37:01 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 13:37:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tape speeds (was Dr. Who pilot) In-Reply-To: <58d913be35davesound@btinternet.com> References: <6F8F7BD4A3214092B2D8FDA279BA9DB2@Gigabyte> <5fc8d3cf.1c69fb81.b0b3d.43bb@mx.google.com> <58d913be35davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Certainly when I joined I heard criticism of the BBC for recording classical music at 15ips, but I have to say I never came across a 30ips machine. In Bristol we recorded full speech programmes at 15ips and only used 7.5ips for regional news programme inserts. Presumably when using a 30ips adaptor on a TR90 capstan, the eq and bias would have been less than optimal. Mike G > On 3 Dec 2020, at 13:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > In article <5fc8d3cf.1c69fb81.b0b3d.43bb at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> I have a faint memory of the BTR2 being capable of 30ips. There were two >> in the Riverside music studio before the Studers were installed. > >> Also remember going to the Radio/Hi-Fi show at the Russell Hotel, where >> I was enthralled at the quality of an Ampex ?? deck running at 30 ips >> with huge Tannoy Autograph speakers delivering wonderful sounds. > > Pretty certain 30 ips was fairly standard in the music recording industry > in the early days. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 09:00:48 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 15:00:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front Message-ID: <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be@gmail.com> Our GP surgery has just texted to say that they will be vaccinating from January using the Oxford vaccine delivered only by doctors or nurses. Seems good to me. 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Last I read they were hoping for final trials results by Xmas. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Thu Dec 3 09:56:02 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 15:56:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <58d91377c7davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58d91377c7davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9732FEDF-A67B-41E6-A45B-C12BD639CEAC@zero51.force9.co.uk> I recall, rather vaguely now, that it was called The Training Crew at first, possibly with Keith Blair in charge? I wonder whether someone was avoiding hexing it with a 13 and there was a theory at the time that superstitious luvvies would baulk at that number. But it was more likely to stop it being scheduled. (Yes they were, Waris Hussein complained to me on the Glittering Prizes that my camera five was wearing a green shirt! ) The numbers rapidly grew to at least 16 in early 1964 so it soon had to be ratified as a 13, unlike some airport departure lounges. Riverside was still equipped with Marconi Mk 3 image orthicons, same as Television Theatre, but had fallen out of use apart from the odd training session. R1 and R2 and the Theatre were then updated to Pye Mk 5s around the same time, ready for BBC2 in ?64 I did one training session in R1 with Mk3s but it was very informal. Thrashing around on a Vinten motorised or being shown framing sizes and a bit of tracking etc with no pressure apart from beady eyed real cameramen and Toms. My first Doctor Who, and only William Hartnell was in Riverside 1 with the redoubtable Julia Smith of East Enders fame directing. I recall her grumpy and unfulfilled expectations of smooth tracking on a 3? lens on a less than perfect floor and so I have erased most of it from memory. Peter Fox On 3 Dec 2020, at 13:25, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: ?In article <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112 at btinternet.com>, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > I'm getting confused now. Are we talking about the pilot episode, the > full programme which had to be re-shot because of technical errors? Or > are we talking about the recoding of the video howl-rounds for the > titles? Both before my time. I claim no personal knowledge. I think I know what I'm talking about, Roger. ;-) It was what I remember being told was the pilot done for a second time at R1. Sometime close to when the original was made by a 'proper' crew. With the full set and cast. I really can't see this being mounted for pure crew training (far too expensive) - it must have had another purpose. I could be persuaded I'd imagined it all - except that no-one seems to know anything about this training crew that became Crew 13 either. We on it certainly knew it as Crew 13 before it appeared in the normal TODS. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peterjohncombes at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 10:32:31 2020 From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 17:32:31 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Help! I've lost the BBC. Message-ID: I live a retired life in the Spanish coastal city of Valencia, a cultured place of friendly, helpful people. For the last few years I have been using large satellite receiving dish to capture what I believe are Freesat transmissions of BBC1, BBC2, Channel 4, channel 5, and ITV. Last week, without warning, reception ceased. The dish, antenna, headend amplifier, downlink cable, and smart TV all checked out, which left the codec, an HD AX 150 unit that not only put up ?No Service? or ?No Signal? messages, but seemed to have deleted BBC and ITV services from the ASTRA2 list. Local technicians are a bit baffled by this ? is there something I should know? Peter Combes Crew3 Emeritus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Dec 3 10:55:18 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 16:55:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. In-Reply-To: <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112@btinternet.com> References: <17a25086.19222.1762884e928.Webtop.112@btinternet.com> Message-ID: There is a modern day effect reminiscent of the video howl round which is sometimes seen. For large street events or processions, there might be an arrangement where giant video screens are set up at intervals along a long straight road. Think of somewhere like The Mall. If the feed to the screens cuts to a wide angle shot including those screens, you see a ripple effect. The feed to the first screen might be delayed by something like six frames, so the image on that screen changes just a beat after the shot changes. All the other screens also change at the same time, but six frames later, the first screen shows itself changing. Six frames after that, the next screen can be seen displaying that change too and so on. If there is a long shot showing multiple screens simultaneously, the image on the first screen shows all the other screens progressively rippling to reflect that cut. It might take a second or two for all the screens to change so that they are all shown on that shot. If the shot prominently includes six screens, the ripple will take six times as long as the delay to the first one before all screens are showing the new shot with every screen in shot also showing all the screens in shot. Just for clarification, I?m not suggesting that each video feed is incrementally delayed. I?m fairly sure that they are fed with similarly timed signals. What I?m talking about is the image of the first big screen changing six frames after the cut and the the image of the first screen shown on the second screen takes a further six frames before it?s seen to to change on the second screen and so on. Screens seen within screens. It?s kind of hard to explain in simple language, but it?s something which is frequently seen in those situations. Vaguely related is the visual representation of the speed of sound seen at events such as Live Aid. You sometimes see a shot from a camera on stage while Queen are performing We Will Rock You. Freddie is encouraging the crowd to make rapid overhead rhythmic clapping movements in time with the song. The sound to the PA speakers is progressively delayed to that by the time the people at the back hear the PA feed, it?s the same instant that they would have heard it if the sound naturally travelled that distance. The speed of sound is such that it travels roughly 40 feet per video frame, so there can be an appreciable delay before it reaches people in the cheap seats. When the crowd clap along with Freddie, they clap in time with what they hear and the shot from the stage shows a distinct ripple as the sound propagates to the back. A visual portrayal of the speed of sound. Alan Taylor > On 3 Dec 2020, at 12:13, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Dec 3 10:58:24 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 16:58:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Help! I've lost the BBC. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5fc9192f.1c69fb81.1dbcb.0236@mx.google.com> You could try this link for help, Peter: https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/problem-assistant Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Combes via Tech1 Sent: 03 December 2020 16:32 To: tech Ops List Subject: [Tech1] Help! I've lost the BBC. ? I live a retired life in the Spanish coastal city of Valencia, a cultured place of friendly, helpful people.? For the last few years I have been using large satellite receiving dish to capture what I believe are Freesat transmissions of BBC1, BBC2, Channel 4, channel 5, and ITV.? Last week, without warning, reception ceased.?? The dish, antenna, headend amplifier, downlink cable, and smart TV all checked out, which left the codec, an HD AX 150 unit that not only put up ?No Service? or ?No Signal? messages, but seemed to have deleted BBC and ITV services from the ASTRA2 list.?? Local technicians are a bit baffled by this ? is there something I should know? ? Peter Combes Crew3 Emeritus ? ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Dec 3 11:42:34 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 17:42:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tape speeds (was Dr. Who pilot) In-Reply-To: References: <6F8F7BD4A3214092B2D8FDA279BA9DB2@Gigabyte> <5fc8d3cf.1c69fb81.b0b3d.43bb@mx.google.com> <58d913be35davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fc92389.1c69fb81.1c926.1394@mx.google.com> Having been appointed a Gram Op at a time when there was a severe shortage of edit facilities, necessitating trips to BH or even Bush, I bought a Revox 736 (G36) which could handle 10 ?? NAB spools. But the off the shelf model ran at 7 ? or 3 ? ips. Upon asking, the factory supplied me a version to operate at 15 or 7 ?, except that the printed escutcheon plate still said the old speeds! So I took tapes home to edit there ? maybe a bit naughty, but we were trusted to cart master tapes in our cars from various venues around London, & so the job got done. If I could book a TVC sound gallery for an edit, I was often still there at midnight, when the duty fireman made his rounds. The fact that I was there on my own was most likely against safety regs ? I think that there was supposed to be at least two staff in technical areas. Being a Grams Op on TOTP or Juke Box Jury meant that we always had the very latest music for party tapes! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 03 December 2020 13:37 To: Tech Ops Subject: [Tech1] Tape speeds (was Dr. Who pilot) C -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 12:00:22 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 18:00:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Tape speeds (was Dr. Who pilot) In-Reply-To: <5fc92389.1c69fb81.1c926.1394@mx.google.com> References: <6F8F7BD4A3214092B2D8FDA279BA9DB2@Gigabyte> <5fc8d3cf.1c69fb81.b0b3d.43bb@mx.google.com> <58d913be35davesound@btinternet.com> <5fc92389.1c69fb81.1c926.1394@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <87fd4463-68d4-51dc-f393-a204f077db94@gmail.com> Hi all On 03/12/2020 17:42, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Being a Grams Op on TOTP or Juke Box Jury meant that we always had the > very latest music for party tapes! Guess we couldn't have done "The Hit List" in the olden days! -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Thu Dec 3 13:32:11 2020 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2020 19:32:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Help! I've lost the BBC. Message-ID: Your reception comes from an Astra 2E spotbeam. These are designed to stop people like you (and me in my French holiday home) from watching. If you look here you will see that you are a long way outside the normal reception area. https://satfi.co.uk/coverage/ I had a look online to see if there are any reports of loss of coverage on the continent, but cannot see any. That suggests it is a local problem. The larger the dish the more directional it is. With the very weak signal you are getting it would not have to move far to totally lose signal from those transponders. You might not lose all programs because there are several transponders that cover the whole of Spain. So if you have lost BBC and ITV but are getting other programs, I would say your dish has moved. If the technician just plugged a meter onto the cable he would get a still get a strong signal because the Spanish beam would swamp the dish even if it was quite a long way off line, but the spot signal would be non existent. If you are getting nothing, it sounds like the receiver. You need to borrow a spare receiver and try that. In France I use a standard Freesat receiver. It gets all the UK programs, but no good if you want to watch other channels. Doug On 3 December 2020, at 16:32, Peter Combes via Tech1 wrote: ? I live a retired life in the Spanish coastal city of Valencia, a cultured place of friendly, helpful people.? For the last few years I have been using large satellite receiving dish to capture what I believe are Freesat transmissions of BBC1, BBC2, Channel 4, channel 5, and ITV.? Last week, without warning, reception ceased.?? The dish, antenna, headend amplifier, downlink cable, and smart TV all checked out, which left the codec, an HD AX 150 unit that not only put up ?No Service? or ?No Signal? messages, but seemed to have deleted BBC and ITV services from the ASTRA2 list.?? Local technicians are a bit baffled by this ? is there something I should know? ? Peter Combes Crew3 Emeritus ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peterjohncombes at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 13:45:14 2020 From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes) Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2020 20:45:14 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] Help! I've lost the BBC. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Many thanks. On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 20:32, Doug Puddifoot wrote: > Your reception comes from an Astra 2E spotbeam. These are designed to stop > people like you (and me in my French holiday home) from watching. If you > look here you will see that you are a long way outside the normal reception > area. > > https://satfi.co.uk/coverage/ > > I had a look online to see if there are any reports of loss of coverage on > the continent, but cannot see any. That suggests it is a local problem. The > larger the dish the more directional it is. With the very weak signal you > are getting it would not have to move far to totally lose signal from those > transponders. You might not lose all programs because there are several > transponders that cover the whole of Spain. So if you have lost BBC and ITV > but are getting other programs, I would say your dish has moved. If the > technician just plugged a meter onto the cable he would get a still get a > strong signal because the Spanish beam would swamp the dish even if it was > quite a long way off line, but the spot signal would be non existent. If > you are getting nothing, it sounds like the receiver. You need to borrow a > spare receiver and try that. In France I use a standard Freesat receiver. > It gets all the UK programs, but no good if you want to watch other > channels. > > Doug > > > On 3 December 2020, at 16:32, Peter Combes via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > > > I live a retired life in the Spanish coastal city of Valencia, a cultured > place of friendly, helpful people. For the last few years I have been > using large satellite receiving dish to capture what I believe are Freesat > transmissions of BBC1, BBC2, Channel 4, channel 5, and ITV. Last week, > without warning, reception ceased. The dish, antenna, headend amplifier, > downlink cable, and smart TV all checked out, which left the codec, an HD > AX 150 unit that not only put up ?No Service? or ?No Signal? messages, but > seemed to have deleted BBC and ITV services from the ASTRA2 list. Local > technicians are a bit baffled by this ? is there something I should know? > > > > Peter Combes > > Crew3 Emeritus > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Thu Dec 3 21:42:27 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 03:42:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <58d91d488bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be@gmail.com> <58d91d488bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: While I agree that it is great to have a vaccine available soon, I am concerned that this has been achieved so quickly. I suspect government pressure has been used in an effort to put an end to our problems. I find some of our government's statements astonishing. From the praise that Boris has been heaping on scientists, one might think that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is at least partly British, but the "international co-operation" he refers to has been among US, German and Turkish parties. The British merely approved it ? and very quickly. To date, Pfizer has released only preliminary testing data to UK authorities. More information is available here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects-safe-b1765035.html Before reading the above, I was not aware that Pfizer had been given an indemnity in the UK from being sued by patients, should something go wrong. I believe this protection is given only when it is preferable for medical action to be taken quickly, and the implication is that the procedure is more risky than normal. I do understand why it is a good idea for most people to be inoculated as soon as possible, but the government and the NHS should ensure first that the public is fully aware of any risks. I am concerned about this because I nearly lost my life a few years ago when I suffered from a rare severe side-effect of a drug administered by the NHS. No warning had been given to me. I was taken to hospital and had to stay for a week until I had recovered. Afterwards, I saw an infectious diseases consultant, who warned me that I should never take any more of that drug (BCG) as the outcome would probably be "more severe". So I was alarmed to hear that one vaccine being developed to combat covid-19 contains BCG. Trouble is, I didn't catch the name of this vaccine. Does anyone know? Please don't let this message put you off having anti-covid-19 jabs. But do make sure that you are made aware of any risks involved. The good news is that, so far, there have been no severe side-effects in people given the Pfizer drug. The company say they will have completed their tests for side-effects of the drug by late December, after which it may be used in the USA. KW On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Our GP surgery has just texted to say that they will be vaccinating from > > January using the Oxford vaccine delivered only by doctors or nurses. > > Seems good to me. > > Has the Oxford vaccine been approved, then? Last I read they were hoping > for final trials results by Xmas. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Fri Dec 4 01:02:58 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 07:02:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: BCG is the TB vaccine that a lot of us had as toddlers in the 1940s and beyond. Its not generally given now except for people at high risk of exposure to TB (medical staff, some immigrants, prison staff) because of the risk of severe side effects. A test is/was done to check for your immune response or previous exposure to TB ( Mantoux test) My sister showed a positive to that when starting nursing in the 1960s at the Royal Free so wasn?t innoculated and I have an arm scar the size of a threepenny bit from BCG. Last summer there was some observational evidence that BCG was having a beneficial effect in warding off Covid 19, I think it even got a mention on our tech-ops channel and Oxford University started researching the possibilty of using BCG innoculation as a gap filler until proper covid vaccines were available (which is now of course) Oxford is the other half of the Astrazenica/ Oxford University Covid jab so maybe that?s why you have remembered a link to a Covid vaccine? Obviously further research would be a good idea in your case Keith but you could be ok. Another thought is that Astrazenica is based on a modified live monkey vaccine rather than bits of Sars-Cov 2 RNA, as are the current front runner Pfizer and also Moderna I believe, so they might be a better bet. I am just someone who has been keeping an eye on vaccines (aren?t we all?) not an expert!!!! Peter Fox On 4 Dec 2020, at 03:43, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ? While I agree that it is great to have a vaccine available soon, I am concerned that this has been achieved so quickly. I suspect government pressure has been used in an effort to put an end to our problems. I find some of our government's statements astonishing. From the praise that Boris has been heaping on scientists, one might think that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is at least partly British, but the "international co-operation" he refers to has been among US, German and Turkish parties. The British merely approved it ? and very quickly. To date, Pfizer has released only preliminary testing data to UK authorities. More information is available here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects-safe-b1765035.html Before reading the above, I was not aware that Pfizer had been given an indemnity in the UK from being sued by patients, should something go wrong. I believe this protection is given only when it is preferable for medical action to be taken quickly, and the implication is that the procedure is more risky than normal. I do understand why it is a good idea for most people to be inoculated as soon as possible, but the government and the NHS should ensure first that the public is fully aware of any risks. I am concerned about this because I nearly lost my life a few years ago when I suffered from a rare severe side-effect of a drug administered by the NHS. No warning had been given to me. I was taken to hospital and had to stay for a week until I had recovered. Afterwards, I saw an infectious diseases consultant, who warned me that I should never take any more of that drug (BCG) as the outcome would probably be "more severe". So I was alarmed to hear that one vaccine being developed to combat covid-19 contains BCG. Trouble is, I didn't catch the name of this vaccine. Does anyone know? Please don't let this message put you off having anti-covid-19 jabs. But do make sure that you are made aware of any risks involved. The good news is that, so far, there have been no severe side-effects in people given the Pfizer drug. The company say they will have completed their tests for side-effects of the drug by late December, after which it may be used in the USA. KW On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Our GP surgery has just texted to say that they will be vaccinating from > > January using the Oxford vaccine delivered only by doctors or nurses. > > Seems good to me. > > Has the Oxford vaccine been approved, then? Last I read they were hoping > for final trials results by Xmas. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Dec 4 02:28:38 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 08:28:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Despite what the headlines suggest, very few Brits will get the Pfizer vaccine any time soon. The UK government says that it has has ordered 40 million doses from Pfizer, but Pfizer are only expecting to produce 50 million doses for worldwide distribution this year. I very much doubt that the UK will get hold of 80% of the world supply of a drug made in America and Belgium. There has been a huge amount of publicity surrounding an initial consignment, but as far as I can see, no more consignments are due in the near future. The government have already changed the priorities and despite the promises and official statements, NHS staff will not be among the first to receive the vaccine after all. NHS staff may be offered left overs if a batch has been distributed and can no longer be stored at -70?C. As one nurse described it, ?a few of us might get the leftover jabs with the Yellow Stickers once the use-by date has been reached?. With regards to supply, we in the UK are far more likely to receive the Oxford vaccine, but testing on that is incomplete. There are significant groups of people ( such as pregnant women ) who have been excluded from the trials so far. I fear that we may be in another ?over promise and under deliver? situation, such as with the plane full of PPE which was expected to turn up at Brize Norton , ?flattening that sombrero?, or the claim in the summer that it would all be over by Christmas. It?s very worrying that social distancing regulations are being be eased for Christmas and people are being led to believe that they might get a jab very soon, so they might not worry too much about keeping safe as they believe that the magic jab is waiting for them Alan Taylor > On 4 Dec 2020, at 03:43, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > While I agree that it is great to have a vaccine available soon, I am concerned that this has been achieved so quickly. I suspect government pressure has been used in an effort to put an end to our problems. I find some of our government's statements astonishing. From the praise that Boris has been heaping on scientists, one might think that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is at least partly British, but the "international co-operation" he refers to has been among US, German and Turkish parties. The British merely approved it ? and very quickly. To date, Pfizer has released only preliminary testing data to UK authorities. More information is available here: > > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects-safe-b1765035.html > > Before reading the above, I was not aware that Pfizer had been given an indemnity in the UK from being sued by patients, should something go wrong. I believe this protection is given only when it is preferable for medical action to be taken quickly, and the implication is that the procedure is more risky than normal. I do understand why it is a good idea for most people to be inoculated as soon as possible, but the government and the NHS should ensure first that the public is fully aware of any risks. > > I am concerned about this because I nearly lost my life a few years ago when I suffered from a rare severe side-effect of a drug administered by the NHS. No warning had been given to me. I was taken to hospital and had to stay for a week until I had recovered. > > Afterwards, I saw an infectious diseases consultant, who warned me that I should never take any more of that drug (BCG) as the outcome would probably be "more severe". So I was alarmed to hear that one vaccine being developed to combat covid-19 contains BCG. Trouble is, I didn't catch the name of this vaccine. Does anyone know? > > Please don't let this message put you off having anti-covid-19 jabs. But do make sure that you are made aware of any risks involved. The good news is that, so far, there have been no severe side-effects in people given the Pfizer drug. The company say they will have completed their tests for side-effects of the drug by late December, after which it may be used in the USA. > > KW > >> On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> In article <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be at gmail.com>, >> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> > Our GP surgery has just texted to say that they will be vaccinating from >> > January using the Oxford vaccine delivered only by doctors or nurses. >> > Seems good to me. >> >> Has the Oxford vaccine been approved, then? Last I read they were hoping >> for final trials results by Xmas. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Fri Dec 4 02:44:16 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 08:44:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A9CA142-7287-41BA-A6FB-5BC1CCE9E6D4@zero51.force9.co.uk> Reading a bit more I see that Bacillus Calmette Gu?rin BCG has other newer uses than the original TB innoculation and, because it?s a live bacillus it needs even more caution in it?s new use than with the original TB application. The rest applies re possibly using BCG against Covid19 and that indirect link to research at Oxford/Astrazeneca. Correction: The Astrazeneca vaccine is based on a Chimpanzee adenovirus that causes colds so being a virus it is not ?live? in quite the same sense as a traditional vaccine like smallpox and TB Peter Fox On 4 Dec 2020, at 07:03, Peter Fox wrote: ?BCG is the TB vaccine that a lot of us had as toddlers in the 1940s and beyond. Its not generally given now except for people at high risk of exposure to TB (medical staff, some immigrants, prison staff) because of the risk of severe side effects. A test is/was done to check for your immune response or previous exposure to TB ( Mantoux test) My sister showed a positive to that when starting nursing in the 1960s at the Royal Free so wasn?t innoculated and I have an arm scar the size of a threepenny bit from BCG. Last summer there was some observational evidence that BCG was having a beneficial effect in warding off Covid 19, I think it even got a mention on our tech-ops channel and Oxford University started researching the possibilty of using BCG innoculation as a gap filler until proper covid vaccines were available (which is now of course) Oxford is the other half of the Astrazenica/ Oxford University Covid jab so maybe that?s why you have remembered a link to a Covid vaccine? Obviously further research would be a good idea in your case Keith but you could be ok. Another thought is that Astrazenica is based on a modified live monkey vaccine rather than bits of Sars-Cov 2 RNA, as are the current front runner Pfizer and also Moderna I believe, so they might be a better bet. I am just someone who has been keeping an eye on vaccines (aren?t we all?) not an expert!!!! Peter Fox On 4 Dec 2020, at 03:43, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ? While I agree that it is great to have a vaccine available soon, I am concerned that this has been achieved so quickly. I suspect government pressure has been used in an effort to put an end to our problems. I find some of our government's statements astonishing. From the praise that Boris has been heaping on scientists, one might think that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is at least partly British, but the "international co-operation" he refers to has been among US, German and Turkish parties. The British merely approved it ? and very quickly. To date, Pfizer has released only preliminary testing data to UK authorities. More information is available here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects-safe-b1765035.html Before reading the above, I was not aware that Pfizer had been given an indemnity in the UK from being sued by patients, should something go wrong. I believe this protection is given only when it is preferable for medical action to be taken quickly, and the implication is that the procedure is more risky than normal. I do understand why it is a good idea for most people to be inoculated as soon as possible, but the government and the NHS should ensure first that the public is fully aware of any risks. I am concerned about this because I nearly lost my life a few years ago when I suffered from a rare severe side-effect of a drug administered by the NHS. No warning had been given to me. I was taken to hospital and had to stay for a week until I had recovered. Afterwards, I saw an infectious diseases consultant, who warned me that I should never take any more of that drug (BCG) as the outcome would probably be "more severe". So I was alarmed to hear that one vaccine being developed to combat covid-19 contains BCG. Trouble is, I didn't catch the name of this vaccine. Does anyone know? Please don't let this message put you off having anti-covid-19 jabs. But do make sure that you are made aware of any risks involved. The good news is that, so far, there have been no severe side-effects in people given the Pfizer drug. The company say they will have completed their tests for side-effects of the drug by late December, after which it may be used in the USA. KW On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Our GP surgery has just texted to say that they will be vaccinating from > > January using the Oxford vaccine delivered only by doctors or nurses. > > Seems good to me. > > Has the Oxford vaccine been approved, then? Last I read they were hoping > for final trials results by Xmas. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 04:14:44 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 10:14:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <6A9CA142-7287-41BA-A6FB-5BC1CCE9E6D4@zero51.force9.co.uk> References: <6A9CA142-7287-41BA-A6FB-5BC1CCE9E6D4@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: BCG is much used in the treatment of bladder cancer. They put it in and you have to try to keep it there for two hours. The number of doses vary depending on what they think is right, but 15-25 weekly trips to the hospital is common.? Reaction to it varies enormously, and varies in individuals too, but it's pretty effective in the right patients. I'm still here, so far. I probably won't get TB. B On 04/12/2020 08:44, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > Reading a bit more I see that Bacillus Calmette Gu?rin BCG has other > newer uses than the original TB innoculation and, because it?s a live > bacillus it needs even more caution in it?s new use than with the > original TB application. The rest applies re possibly using BCG > against Covid19 and that indirect link to research at Oxford/Astrazeneca. > ?Correction: The Astrazeneca vaccine is based on a Chimpanzee > adenovirus that causes colds so being a virus it is not ?live? in > quite the same sense as a traditional vaccine like smallpox and TB > > Peter Fox > > On 4 Dec 2020, at 07:03, Peter Fox wrote: > > ? BCG is the TB vaccine that a lot of us had as toddlers in the 1940s > and beyond. Its not generally given now except for people at high risk > of exposure to TB (medical staff, some immigrants, prison staff) > because of the risk of severe side effects. A test is/was done to > check for your immune response or previous exposure to TB ( Mantoux > test) My sister showed a positive to that when starting nursing in the > 1960s at the Royal Free so wasn?t innoculated and I have an arm scar > the size of a threepenny bit from BCG. > Last summer there was some observational evidence that BCG was having > a beneficial effect in warding off Covid 19, I think it even got a > mention on our tech-ops channel and Oxford University started > researching the possibilty of using BCG innoculation as a gap filler > until proper covid vaccines were available (which is now of course) > Oxford is the other half of the ?Astrazenica/ Oxford University Covid > jab so maybe that?s why you have remembered a link to a Covid vaccine? > ?Obviously further research would be a good idea in your case Keith > but you could be ok. Another thought is that Astrazenica is based on a > modified live monkey vaccine rather than bits of Sars-Cov 2 RNA, as > are the current front runner Pfizer and also Moderna I believe, so > they might be a better bet. > ?I am just someone who has been keeping an eye on vaccines (aren?t we > all?) ?not an expert!!!! > > Peter Fox > > On 4 Dec 2020, at 03:43, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: > > ? > While I agree that it is great to have a vaccine available soon, I am > concerned that this has been achieved so quickly. I suspect government > pressure has been used in an effort to put an end to our problems. I > find some of our government's statements astonishing. From the praise > that Boris has been heaping on scientists, one might think that the > Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is at least partly British, but the > "international co-operation" he refers to has been among US, German > and Turkish parties. The British merely approved it ? and very > quickly. To date, Pfizer has released only preliminary testing data to > UK authorities. More information is available here: > > https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects-safe-b1765035.html > > > Before reading the above, I was not aware that Pfizer had been given > an indemnity in the UK from being sued by patients, should something > go wrong. I believe this protection is given only when it is > preferable for medical action to be taken quickly, and the implication > is that the procedure is more risky than normal. I do understand why > it is a good idea for most people to be inoculated as soon as > possible, but the government and the NHS should ensure first that the > public is fully aware of any risks. > > I am concerned about this because I nearly lost my life a few years > ago when I suffered from a rare severe side-effect of a drug > administered by the NHS. No warning had been given to me. I was taken > to hospital and had to stay for a week until I had recovered. > > Afterwards, I saw an infectious diseases consultant, who warned me > that I should never take any more of that drug (BCG) as the outcome > would probably be "more severe". So I was alarmed to hear that one > vaccine being developed to combat covid-19 contains BCG. Trouble is, I > didn't catch the name of this vaccine. Does anyone know? > > Please don't let this message put you off having anti-covid-19 jabs. > But do make sure that you are made aware of any risks involved. The > good news is that, so far, there have been no severe side-effects in > people given the Pfizer drug. The company say they will have completed > their tests for side-effects of the drug by late December, after which > it may be used in the USA. > > KW > > On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > In article <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be at gmail.com > >, > ? ?Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Our GP surgery has just texted to say that they will be > vaccinating from > > January using the Oxford vaccine delivered only by doctors or > nurses. > > Seems good to me. > > Has the Oxford vaccine been approved, then? Last I read they were > hoping > for final trials results by Xmas. > > -- > ? ? Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk > ?London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Dec 4 05:11:52 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 11:11:52 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front Message-ID: <58d98b5d03davesound@btinternet.com> (re-posted due to my server rejecting a reply to this group - again) BCG - Bacillus Calmette-Gu=E9rin - is used as a TB vaccine. Many of us will have had it as teenagers. It was looked at as a possible Covid19 vaccine, as at first it seemed those recently vaccinated against TB might be less susceptible to Covid. Mainly because in the early days Portugal, who routinely inoculate against TB, had a much lower rate of Covid than its neighbour Spain. But subsequent events may have overtaken that. Perhaps the most common other use of BCG today is treating bladder cancer. A solution is 'squirted' direct into the bladder, and left there for a couple of hours. A course of this would be 15 treatments over a year done weekly in groups of 6 then three. I've had this with little in the way of side effects other than some tiredness. It appears to be one of the least invasive treatments for this cancer. There is somewhat of a world shortage of BCG, which needs a longish period to prepare. I read an international FaceBook group for bladder cancer, and severe side effects with BCG are very rare there. Alternative treatments seem to be worse, and not so efficatious. But that is merely a straw poll - not comprehensive data. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Dec 4 05:19:08 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 11:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: <6A9CA142-7287-41BA-A6FB-5BC1CCE9E6D4@zero51.force9.co.uk> Message-ID: <58d98c0783davesound@btinternet.com> We have something else in common, Bernie. ;-) Be interesting to know if anyone receiving BCG for BC has caught Covid 19. I've not heard of anyone. But then most will have been isolating anyway. In article , Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > BCG is much used in the treatment of bladder cancer. They put it in and > you have to try to keep it there for two hours. The number of doses vary > depending on what they think is right, but 15-25 weekly trips to the > hospital is common. Reaction to it varies enormously, and varies in > individuals too, but it's pretty effective in the right patients. I'm > still here, so far. I probably won't get TB. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Fri Dec 4 05:31:01 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 11:31:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Help! I've lost the BBC. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C55B5BC-8087-4851-B864-12E96D271DCA@btinternet.com> Thought this may lighten the gloom of the day. Fondest to all. Albert > On 3 Dec 2020, at 19:45, Peter Combes via Tech1 wrote: > > Many thanks. > > On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 20:32, Doug Puddifoot > wrote: > Your reception comes from an Astra 2E spotbeam. These are designed to stop people like you (and me in my French holiday home) from watching. If you look here you will see that you are a long way outside the normal reception area. > > https://satfi.co.uk/coverage/ > I had a look online to see if there are any reports of loss of coverage on the continent, but cannot see any. That suggests it is a local problem. The larger the dish the more directional it is. With the very weak signal you are getting it would not have to move far to totally lose signal from those transponders. You might not lose all programs because there are several transponders that cover the whole of Spain. So if you have lost BBC and ITV but are getting other programs, I would say your dish has moved. If the technician just plugged a meter onto the cable he would get a still get a strong signal because the Spanish beam would swamp the dish even if it was quite a long way off line, but the spot signal would be non existent. If you are getting nothing, it sounds like the receiver. You need to borrow a spare receiver and try that. In France I use a standard Freesat receiver. It gets all the UK programs, but no good if you want to watch other channels. > > Doug > > > > On 3 December 2020, at 16:32, Peter Combes via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > > > I live a retired life in the Spanish coastal city of Valencia, a cultured place of friendly, helpful people. For the last few years I have been using large satellite receiving dish to capture what I believe are Freesat transmissions of BBC1, BBC2, Channel 4, channel 5, and ITV. Last week, without warning, reception ceased. The dish, antenna, headend amplifier, downlink cable, and smart TV all checked out, which left the codec, an HD AX 150 unit that not only put up ?No Service? or ?No Signal? messages, but seemed to have deleted BBC and ITV services from the ASTRA2 list. Local technicians are a bit baffled by this ? is there something I should know? > > > Peter Combes > > Crew3 Emeritus > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 12 Twelve Days_ Stan Freeberg.m4a Type: audio/x-m4a Size: 1201091 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 05:48:14 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 11:48:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <58d98c0783davesound@btinternet.com> References: <6A9CA142-7287-41BA-A6FB-5BC1CCE9E6D4@zero51.force9.co.uk> <58d98c0783davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6e78547f-32af-8241-7f29-08d8280796e1@gmail.com> There are others on this list too.? I did wonder if we are Covid proof, but I'm not planning to be a guinea pig. B On 04/12/2020 11:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > We have something else in common, Bernie. ;-) > > Be interesting to know if anyone receiving BCG for BC has caught Covid 19. > I've not heard of anyone. But then most will have been isolating anyway. > > In article , > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> BCG is much used in the treatment of bladder cancer. They put it in and >> you have to try to keep it there for two hours. The number of doses vary >> depending on what they think is right, but 15-25 weekly trips to the >> hospital is common. Reaction to it varies enormously, and varies in >> individuals too, but it's pretty effective in the right patients. I'm >> still here, so far. I probably won't get TB. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Fri Dec 4 06:47:13 2020 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 12:47:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. Message-ID: <6vrsms3l236xfopx7ch8p0pr.1607086033345@email.android.com> On the subject of video howls, I seem to remember there was such a thing as a Negative Picture Amplifier which - well, did what it said on the tin, and we used that in a trial session. Each frame being the negative of the next added nicely to the howl-round effect.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 Date: 03/12/2020 12:12 (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot. p{margin:0}I'm getting confused now. Are we talking about the pilot episode, the full programme which had to be re-shot because of technical errors? Or are we talking about the recoding of the video howl-rounds for the titles? Both before my time. I claim no personal knowledge.I did read somewhere that video howls had previously be used for the supernatural play "Tobias and the Angel", and that some of those effects were edited into the Doctor Who titles, in addition to those which were shot specially. Serious historians please correct me.When I reached Evesham, a couple of years later, and they let us play with the gear, one of the first things I wanted to try was pointing a camera at a monitor to recreate those patterns. We soon discovered that you needed ambient reflections to trigger the howl, and a slight imbalance of shot size to create those long snaking trails. Then by reversing scans you could make patterns that were 2-way or 4-way symmetrical. At one point we managed to create a whirlpool effect. Can't remember how we did this now, since it would have required rotational symmetry, not just up-down left-right. I thought it was an idea I could sell to 'Doctor Who', and even started to dream up a script. But, having watched 'An Unearthly Child' again recently, I discovered that they had already used the whirlpool pattern, not in the titles, but when the Tardis was moving through space-time. Someone got there before me!I was very into dynamic art at the time - Alexander Calder's mobiles, Marcell Duchamp's rotoreliefs, etc. - and felt that video howls could create moving patterns that were far more free-form than anything mechanical. So, why has no one ever claimed them as 'Art'? Same with the music. In theory I was a fan of Musique Concrete, Electronic Music, Sculpture Sonore, etc. and other trendy means of creating music without conventional instruments. But, in practice, they never seemed to come up with a decent tune. (The "Forbidden Planet" music had great atmosphere, but you can't exactly hum it.) Then, what Ron Grainer, Delia Derbyshire, Dick Mills and the BBC Radiophonic Workshop did with the "Doctor Who" theme absolutely cracked it! Experimental, unconventional, imaginative, unearthly, but with a catchy tune and rhythm that would pass the Old Grey Whistle Test. It should be regarded as a definitive masterpiece of 20th Century avant-guard music - not just a TV theme!luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.ukSent: Thursday, 3 Dec, 20 At 10:47Subject: [Tech1] Dr Who pilot.Sorry if this is a duplicate. Got a message saying my server failed to accept the body of this post. I can't remember when it became a 'proper' crew. I joined it after the TO course. In those days you did a spell at the studios before the TO course - mine was with Crew 5. For quite a while as that embryonic crew, it was at Riverside - which wasn't used for any real productions, until after IIRC it had new cameras and converted to 625. We also has a 'permanent' SS - Alan Edmunds, who'd joined from radio. I've no doubt the Dr Who was some form of training or whatever. It may not even have been recorded on tape, but telerecord only. But very unlikely they got the sets and cast for something which was only staff training. Of course the time would have been late '63. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 06:47:38 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 12:47:38 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com> Peter, I remember having the BCG vaccination when I was about thirteen and wouldn?t you have been a teenager too? As you say, it followed a negative response to what was known as ?the skin test? (I didn?t know its proper name), a scrape on the forearm with a special instrument to see if you reacted, which most of us didn?t. The BCG one I seem to recall was quite painful, a bit like a wasp sting though not as bad. I also had the small pox vaccine and that left a scar. It?s no longer given of course, as the last naturally occurring case was diagnosed in October 1977 and the World Health Organization certified the global eradication of the disease in 1980. The other one that was widely given to us as teenagers was the oral Salk vaccine against polio, which was voluntary but most opted in. As babies we were inoculated against diphtheria in the 1940?s but I think that was about it. I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are over seventy-five, Geoff Hawkes From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Peter Fox via Tech1 Sent: 04 December 2020 07:03 To: Keith Wicks Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Dave Plowman Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front BCG is the TB vaccine that a lot of us had as toddlers in the 1940s and beyond. Its not generally given now except for people at high risk of exposure to TB (medical staff, some immigrants, prison staff) because of the risk of severe side effects. A test is/was done to check for your immune response or previous exposure to TB ( Mantoux test) My sister showed a positive to that when starting nursing in the 1960s at the Royal Free so wasn?t innoculated and I have an arm scar the size of a threepenny bit from BCG. Last summer there was some observational evidence that BCG was having a beneficial effect in warding off Covid 19, I think it even got a mention on our tech-ops channel and Oxford University started researching the possibilty of using BCG innoculation as a gap filler until proper covid vaccines were available (which is now of course) Oxford is the other half of the Astrazenica/ Oxford University Covid jab so maybe that?s why you have remembered a link to a Covid vaccine? Obviously further research would be a good idea in your case Keith but you could be ok. Another thought is that Astrazenica is based on a modified live monkey vaccine rather than bits of Sars-Cov 2 RNA, as are the current front runner Pfizer and also Moderna I believe, so they might be a better bet. I am just someone who has been keeping an eye on vaccines (aren?t we all?) not an expert!!!! Peter Fox On 4 Dec 2020, at 03:43, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: ? While I agree that it is great to have a vaccine available soon, I am concerned that this has been achieved so quickly. I suspect government pressure has been used in an effort to put an end to our problems. I find some of our government's statements astonishing. From the praise that Boris has been heaping on scientists, one might think that the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine is at least partly British, but the "international co-operation" he refers to has been among US, German and Turkish parties. The British merely approved it ? and very quickly. To date, Pfizer has released only preliminary testing data to UK authorities. More information is available here: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-pfizer-vaccine-side-effects-safe-b1765035.html Before reading the above, I was not aware that Pfizer had been given an indemnity in the UK from being sued by patients, should something go wrong. I believe this protection is given only when it is preferable for medical action to be taken quickly, and the implication is that the procedure is more risky than normal. I do understand why it is a good idea for most people to be inoculated as soon as possible, but the government and the NHS should ensure first that the public is fully aware of any risks. I am concerned about this because I nearly lost my life a few years ago when I suffered from a rare severe side-effect of a drug administered by the NHS. No warning had been given to me. I was taken to hospital and had to stay for a week until I had recovered. Afterwards, I saw an infectious diseases consultant, who warned me that I should never take any more of that drug (BCG) as the outcome would probably be "more severe". So I was alarmed to hear that one vaccine being developed to combat covid-19 contains BCG. Trouble is, I didn't catch the name of this vaccine. Does anyone know? Please don't let this message put you off having anti-covid-19 jabs. But do make sure that you are made aware of any risks involved. The good news is that, so far, there have been no severe side-effects in people given the Pfizer drug. The company say they will have completed their tests for side-effects of the drug by late December, after which it may be used in the USA. KW On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 15:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: In article <5be3f25b-956d-8cc0-21a2-34629607a7be at gmail.com >, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > Our GP surgery has just texted to say that they will be vaccinating from > January using the Oxford vaccine delivered only by doctors or nurses. > Seems good to me. Has the Oxford vaccine been approved, then? Last I read they were hoping for final trials results by Xmas. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Dec 4 07:26:35 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2020 13:26:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com> References: <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58d997b1f6davesound@btinternet.com> IMHO, you only really hear about those who have had an adverse reaction to immunisation. Not from the many for whom it has worked just fine. Makes for good copy. If statistics said you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from the jab, but a 1 in 50 chance of dying from the disease, which would you choose? Of course when a disease etc is all but irradicated, the chances of the vaccine causing problems can be greater than the risks from the disease itself. Until it takes hold again, of course. As has happened with some of the childhood diseases we were all likely inoculated against. In article <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com>, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the > annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when > it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available > but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit > worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are > over seventy-five, -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 08:29:29 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 14:29:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a Corona Christmas Message-ID: Hi, I've linked 1 file to this email: Now thats what I call a Corona Christmas.mp4 (10.1 MB)WeTransferhttps://we.tl/t-gYHcWF54i1 Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. This came my way via my wife's Italian language class - but don't worry! I have linked the file, as it is large: hope you can download it! ENJOY!! ?======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Geoff I don?t recall having BCG as a teenager so it must have been when I was two or three? There?s a chance it was smallpox rather than BCG for TB but the only person who knew has shuffled off this mortal coil some twenty years ago and that?s enough corny Shakespeare quotes for now. The BCG is a rather odd kind of jab, not an injection into the deltoid muscles like flu and covid but a sort of sub skin bubble that reacts very nicely. I have read. Because I don?t remember it. There seemed to be move to keep it off the upper arms of girls as it showed a scar, under the mistaken belief that most other parts would be out of sight. Then fashion dictated Hotpants and Miniskirts and so on so it was a waste of effort. The pfizer supply line is a bit worrying, I can imagine it all melting in lorry jams in Calais on its way from Puurs in Belgium. Maybe the airlines can be persuaded to earn a crust doing a few ferry jobs while we weather a spot of post Brexit turbulence. Peter Fox On 4 Dec 2020, at 13:27, Dave Plowman wrote: ?IMHO, you only really hear about those who have had an adverse reaction to immunisation. Not from the many for whom it has worked just fine. Makes for good copy. If statistics said you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from the jab, but a 1 in 50 chance of dying from the disease, which would you choose? Of course when a disease etc is all but irradicated, the chances of the vaccine causing problems can be greater than the risks from the disease itself. Until it takes hold again, of course. As has happened with some of the childhood diseases we were all likely inoculated against. In article <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com>, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the > annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when > it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available > but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit > worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are > over seventy-five, -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Dec 4 08:55:40 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 14:55:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Now that's what I call a Corona Christmas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63EF195B-52B5-4E59-918F-8BA0907E7F12@icloud.com> Thanks Alec, just what needed! ? Graeme Wall > On 4 Dec 2020, at 14:29, Alec Bray via Tech1 wrote: > > Hi, > > I've linked 1 file to this email: > Now thats what I call a Corona Christmas.mp4(10.1 MB)WeTransfer > https://we.tl/t-gYHcWF54i1 > Mozilla Thunderbird makes it easy to share large files over email. > > > This came my way via my wife's Italian language class - but don't worry! > > I have linked the file, as it is large: hope you can download it! > > ENJOY!! > > > > ======= > > Alec Bray > > > alec.bray.2 at gmail.com > > Mob: 07789 561 346 > Tel: 0118 981 7502 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Dec 4 12:55:58 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 18:55:58 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: <58d997b1f6davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <92C8C2C4AD694432BF169281D6E293D3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I can well understand you not remembering Peter if nothing of note emerged. In contrast I remember it well, as in early childhood I had been affected by TB. The Mantoux skin test you mention seems currently to be illustrated with a standard hypodermic syringe injecting as you describe. I was tested with countless schoolchildren in the early 1950s and the device that introduced the test agent in my school was in the form of a cylinder with (I think) 5 or 6 needles equi-spaced near its perimeter. As you would expect I reacted spectacularly, the resultant blister-like swellings resembling a miniature version of the sort of bun-rounds with separation scoring you find offered in bakery shops. Needless to say I did not require the BCG vaccination! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1 Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:43 PM To: Dave Plowman Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front So.. Out of the nettle danger you have plucked the flower of safety from TB and Covid all in one hit. Jolly good. I deliberately didn?t mention the bladder cancer treatment but as you?ve all had it it doesn?t matter any more. I am very pleased you seem to be getting away with it! Geoff I don?t recall having BCG as a teenager so it must have been when I was two or three? There?s a chance it was smallpox rather than BCG for TB but the only person who knew has shuffled off this mortal coil some twenty years ago and that?s enough corny Shakespeare quotes for now. The BCG is a rather odd kind of jab, not an injection into the deltoid muscles like flu and covid but a sort of sub skin bubble that reacts very nicely. I have read. Because I don?t remember it. There seemed to be move to keep it off the upper arms of girls as it showed a scar, under the mistaken belief that most other parts would be out of sight. Then fashion dictated Hotpants and Miniskirts and so on so it was a waste of effort. The pfizer supply line is a bit worrying, I can imagine it all melting in lorry jams in Calais on its way from Puurs in Belgium. Maybe the airlines can be persuaded to earn a crust doing a few ferry jobs while we weather a spot of post Brexit turbulence. Peter Fox On 4 Dec 2020, at 13:27, Dave Plowman wrote: ?IMHO, you only really hear about those who have had an adverse reaction to immunisation. Not from the many for whom it has worked just fine. Makes for good copy. If statistics said you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from the jab, but a 1 in 50 chance of dying from the disease, which would you choose? Of course when a disease etc is all but irradicated, the chances of the vaccine causing problems can be greater than the risks from the disease itself. Until it takes hold again, of course. As has happened with some of the childhood diseases we were all likely inoculated against. In article <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com>, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the > annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when > it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available > but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit > worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are > over seventy-five, -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Dec 4 13:56:25 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 19:56:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <92C8C2C4AD694432BF169281D6E293D3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <92C8C2C4AD694432BF169281D6E293D3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <395924E0-2F3F-4958-8861-D0A8E5FFCBEE@gmail.com> Dave, Yes, the tester device that they used on us was just as you describe though I don?t know what it delivered. None of our lot reacted as far as I remember, so it?s interesting to hear that you did and to know it worked, Geoff Hawkes > On 4 Dec 2020, at 18:56, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I can well understand you not remembering Peter if nothing of note emerged. In contrast I remember it well, as in early childhood I had been affected by TB. The Mantoux skin test you mention seems currently to be illustrated with a standard hypodermic syringe injecting as you describe. I was tested with countless schoolchildren in the early 1950s and the device that introduced the test agent in my school was in the form of a cylinder with (I think) 5 or 6 needles equi-spaced near its perimeter. As you would expect I reacted spectacularly, the resultant blister-like swellings resembling a miniature version of the sort of bun-rounds with separation scoring you find offered in bakery shops. Needless to say I did not require the BCG vaccination! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:43 PM > To: Dave Plowman > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front > > So.. Out of the nettle danger you have plucked the flower of safety from TB and Covid all in one hit. Jolly good. I deliberately didn?t mention the bladder cancer treatment but as you?ve all had it it doesn?t matter any more. I am very pleased you seem to be getting away with it! Geoff I don?t recall having BCG as a teenager so it must have been when I was two or three? There?s a chance it was smallpox rather than BCG for TB but the only person who knew has shuffled off this mortal coil some twenty years ago and that?s enough corny Shakespeare quotes for now. The BCG is a rather odd kind of jab, not an injection into the deltoid muscles like flu and covid but a sort of sub skin bubble that reacts very nicely. I have read. Because I don?t remember it. There seemed to be move to keep it off the upper arms of girls as it showed a scar, under the mistaken belief that most other parts would be out of sight. Then fashion dictated Hotpants and Miniskirts and so on so it was a waste of effort. The pfizer supply line is a bit worrying, I can imagine it all melting in lorry jams in Calais on its way from Puurs in Belgium. Maybe the airlines can be persuaded to earn a crust doing a few ferry jobs while we weather a spot of post Brexit turbulence. > > Peter Fox > >> On 4 Dec 2020, at 13:27, Dave Plowman wrote: >> >> ?IMHO, you only really hear about those who have had an adverse reaction to >> immunisation. Not from the many for whom it has worked just fine. >> >> Makes for good copy. >> >> If statistics said you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from the jab, but a >> 1 in 50 chance of dying from the disease, which would you choose? >> >> Of course when a disease etc is all but irradicated, the chances of the >> vaccine causing problems can be greater than the risks from the disease >> itself. Until it takes hold again, of course. As has happened with some of >> the childhood diseases we were all likely inoculated against. >> >> >> In article <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com>, >> geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the >> annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when >> it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available >> but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit >> worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are >> over seventy-five, > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Dec 4 16:28:19 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 22:28:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather Message-ID: Just to make you feel all Christmassy, here's a photo taken outside my son's house in Lincolnshire this evening! Cheers, Dave -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, Dave > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Dec 4 17:31:32 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2020 23:31:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Weather In-Reply-To: <1D2AD95A-C4B9-4465-A9C8-40E5A9D02AC6@mac.com> References: <1D2AD95A-C4B9-4465-A9C8-40E5A9D02AC6@mac.com> Message-ID: <5fcac6d3.1c69fb81.1cf03.28f8@mx.google.com> But you can still enjoy the Gluwein! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike Giles via Tech1 Sent: 04 December 2020 22:40 To: Tech Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] Weather I -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 03:26:02 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 09:26:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <395924E0-2F3F-4958-8861-D0A8E5FFCBEE@gmail.com> References: <92C8C2C4AD694432BF169281D6E293D3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <395924E0-2F3F-4958-8861-D0A8E5FFCBEE@gmail.com> Message-ID: In our small grammar school in Shropshire only two of us reacted to the BCG test - big red swellings on our arms. I was in the Vth form at the time. The other person reacting was one of the best looking girls in the school (co-ed), so I enjoyed comparing swellings with her! Geoff F On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 19:56, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > Dave, > Yes, the tester device that they used on us was just as you describe > though I don?t know what it delivered. None of our lot reacted as far as I > remember, so it?s interesting to hear that you did and to know it worked, > Geoff Hawkes > > > On 4 Dec 2020, at 18:56, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?I can well understand you not remembering Peter if nothing of note > emerged. In contrast I remember it well, as in early childhood I had been > affected by TB. The Mantoux skin test you mention seems currently to be > illustrated with a standard hypodermic syringe injecting as you describe. I > was tested with countless schoolchildren in the early 1950s and the device > that introduced the test agent in my school was in the form of a cylinder > with (I think) 5 or 6 needles equi-spaced near its perimeter. As you would > expect I reacted spectacularly, the resultant blister-like swellings > resembling a miniature version of the sort of bun-rounds with separation > scoring you find offered in bakery shops. Needless to say I did not require > the BCG vaccination! > > > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1 > > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:43 PM > > To: Dave Plowman > > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front > > > > So.. Out of the nettle danger you have plucked the flower of safety from > TB and Covid all in one hit. Jolly good. I deliberately didn?t mention the > bladder cancer treatment but as you?ve all had it it doesn?t matter any > more. I am very pleased you seem to be getting away with it! Geoff I don?t > recall having BCG as a teenager so it must have been when I was two or > three? There?s a chance it was smallpox rather than BCG for TB but the only > person who knew has shuffled off this mortal coil some twenty years ago and > that?s enough corny Shakespeare quotes for now. The BCG is a rather odd > kind of jab, not an injection into the deltoid muscles like flu and covid > but a sort of sub skin bubble that reacts very nicely. I have read. Because > I don?t remember it. There seemed to be move to keep it off the upper arms > of girls as it showed a scar, under the mistaken belief that most other > parts would be out of sight. Then fashion dictated Hotpants and Miniskirts > and so on so it was a waste of effort. The pfizer supply line is a bit > worrying, I can imagine it all melting in lorry jams in Calais on its way > from Puurs in Belgium. Maybe the airlines can be persuaded to earn a crust > doing a few ferry jobs while we weather a spot of post Brexit turbulence. > > > > Peter Fox > > > >> On 4 Dec 2020, at 13:27, Dave Plowman wrote: > >> > >> ?IMHO, you only really hear about those who have had an adverse > reaction to > >> immunisation. Not from the many for whom it has worked just fine. > >> > >> Makes for good copy. > >> > >> If statistics said you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from the jab, but > a > >> 1 in 50 chance of dying from the disease, which would you choose? > >> > >> Of course when a disease etc is all but irradicated, the chances of the > >> vaccine causing problems can be greater than the risks from the disease > >> itself. Until it takes hold again, of course. As has happened with some > of > >> the childhood diseases we were all likely inoculated against. > >> > >> > >> In article <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com>, > >> geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > >> I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the > >> annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when > >> it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available > >> but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit > >> worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are > >> over seventy-five, > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Dec 5 03:51:54 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 09:51:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: <92C8C2C4AD694432BF169281D6E293D3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <395924E0-2F3F-4958-8861-D0A8E5FFCBEE@gmail.com>, Message-ID: You naughty boy! I?m guessing you had more swellings than she did? Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Dec 2020, at 09:26, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: ? In our small grammar school in Shropshire only two of us reacted to the BCG test - big red swellings on our arms. I was in the Vth form at the time. The other person reacting was one of the best looking girls in the school (co-ed), so I enjoyed comparing swellings with her! Geoff F On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 19:56, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: Dave, Yes, the tester device that they used on us was just as you describe though I don?t know what it delivered. None of our lot reacted as far as I remember, so it?s interesting to hear that you did and to know it worked, Geoff Hawkes > On 4 Dec 2020, at 18:56, David Newbitt via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?I can well understand you not remembering Peter if nothing of note emerged. In contrast I remember it well, as in early childhood I had been affected by TB. The Mantoux skin test you mention seems currently to be illustrated with a standard hypodermic syringe injecting as you describe. I was tested with countless schoolchildren in the early 1950s and the device that introduced the test agent in my school was in the form of a cylinder with (I think) 5 or 6 needles equi-spaced near its perimeter. As you would expect I reacted spectacularly, the resultant blister-like swellings resembling a miniature version of the sort of bun-rounds with separation scoring you find offered in bakery shops. Needless to say I did not require the BCG vaccination! > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:43 PM > To: Dave Plowman > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front > > So.. Out of the nettle danger you have plucked the flower of safety from TB and Covid all in one hit. Jolly good. I deliberately didn?t mention the bladder cancer treatment but as you?ve all had it it doesn?t matter any more. I am very pleased you seem to be getting away with it! Geoff I don?t recall having BCG as a teenager so it must have been when I was two or three? There?s a chance it was smallpox rather than BCG for TB but the only person who knew has shuffled off this mortal coil some twenty years ago and that?s enough corny Shakespeare quotes for now. The BCG is a rather odd kind of jab, not an injection into the deltoid muscles like flu and covid but a sort of sub skin bubble that reacts very nicely. I have read. Because I don?t remember it. There seemed to be move to keep it off the upper arms of girls as it showed a scar, under the mistaken belief that most other parts would be out of sight. Then fashion dictated Hotpants and Miniskirts and so on so it was a waste of effort. The pfizer supply line is a bit worrying, I can imagine it all melting in lorry jams in Calais on its way from Puurs in Belgium. Maybe the airlines can be persuaded to earn a crust doing a few ferry jobs while we weather a spot of post Brexit turbulence. > > Peter Fox > >> On 4 Dec 2020, at 13:27, Dave Plowman > wrote: >> >> ?IMHO, you only really hear about those who have had an adverse reaction to >> immunisation. Not from the many for whom it has worked just fine. >> >> Makes for good copy. >> >> If statistics said you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from the jab, but a >> 1 in 50 chance of dying from the disease, which would you choose? >> >> Of course when a disease etc is all but irradicated, the chances of the >> vaccine causing problems can be greater than the risks from the disease >> itself. Until it takes hold again, of course. As has happened with some of >> the childhood diseases we were all likely inoculated against. >> >> >> In article <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com>, >> geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 > wrote: >> I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the >> annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when >> it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available >> but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit >> worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are >> over seventy-five, > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From waresound at msn.com Sat Dec 5 04:26:23 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 10:26:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aces High - another ex-BA 747 today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: (Feel free to insert the missing b .) Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Dec 2020, at 10:05, Nick Ware wrote: > > ?In case there are any aircraft anoraks like me nearby to Dunsfold, and who missed the last ex-BA 747 arriving here a couple of weeks ago, Aces High have another one coming in today from Cardiff. Expected at 13.00. Weather looking OK at the moment. > If anyone puts up decent video on FB I?ll forward it to here. The last one was quite a spectacle (though probaly not to anyone who lives near Heathrow!) > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Dec 5 04:34:44 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 10:34:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <288F9E67-FE2C-4E82-98A0-D55D2C852D52@icloud.com> Other way round surely, 2:1 :-) Graeme Wall > On 5 Dec 2020, at 09:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? You naughty boy! I?m guessing you had more swellings than she did? > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 09:26, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> In our small grammar school in Shropshire only two of us reacted to the BCG test - big red swellings on our arms. I was in the Vth form at the time. The other person reacting was one of the best looking girls in the school (co-ed), so I enjoyed comparing swellings with her! >> Geoff F >> >>> On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 19:56, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> Dave, >>> Yes, the tester device that they used on us was just as you describe though I don?t know what it delivered. None of our lot reacted as far as I remember, so it?s interesting to hear that you did and to know it worked, >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>> > On 4 Dec 2020, at 18:56, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: >>> > >>> > ?I can well understand you not remembering Peter if nothing of note emerged. In contrast I remember it well, as in early childhood I had been affected by TB. The Mantoux skin test you mention seems currently to be illustrated with a standard hypodermic syringe injecting as you describe. I was tested with countless schoolchildren in the early 1950s and the device that introduced the test agent in my school was in the form of a cylinder with (I think) 5 or 6 needles equi-spaced near its perimeter. As you would expect I reacted spectacularly, the resultant blister-like swellings resembling a miniature version of the sort of bun-rounds with separation scoring you find offered in bakery shops. Needless to say I did not require the BCG vaccination! >>> > >>> > Dave Newbitt. >>> > >>> > -----Original Message----- From: Peter Fox via Tech1 >>> > Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 2:43 PM >>> > To: Dave Plowman >>> > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front >>> > >>> > So.. Out of the nettle danger you have plucked the flower of safety from TB and Covid all in one hit. Jolly good. I deliberately didn?t mention the bladder cancer treatment but as you?ve all had it it doesn?t matter any more. I am very pleased you seem to be getting away with it! Geoff I don?t recall having BCG as a teenager so it must have been when I was two or three? There?s a chance it was smallpox rather than BCG for TB but the only person who knew has shuffled off this mortal coil some twenty years ago and that?s enough corny Shakespeare quotes for now. The BCG is a rather odd kind of jab, not an injection into the deltoid muscles like flu and covid but a sort of sub skin bubble that reacts very nicely. I have read. Because I don?t remember it. There seemed to be move to keep it off the upper arms of girls as it showed a scar, under the mistaken belief that most other parts would be out of sight. Then fashion dictated Hotpants and Miniskirts and so on so it was a waste of effort. The pfizer supply line is a bit worrying, I can imagine it all melting in lorry jams in Calais on its way from Puurs in Belgium. Maybe the airlines can be persuaded to earn a crust doing a few ferry jobs while we weather a spot of post Brexit turbulence. >>> > >>> > Peter Fox >>> > >>> >> On 4 Dec 2020, at 13:27, Dave Plowman wrote: >>> >> >>> >> ?IMHO, you only really hear about those who have had an adverse reaction to >>> >> immunisation. Not from the many for whom it has worked just fine. >>> >> >>> >> Makes for good copy. >>> >> >>> >> If statistics said you had a 1 in 100 chance of dying from the jab, but a >>> >> 1 in 50 chance of dying from the disease, which would you choose? >>> >> >>> >> Of course when a disease etc is all but irradicated, the chances of the >>> >> vaccine causing problems can be greater than the risks from the disease >>> >> itself. Until it takes hold again, of course. As has happened with some of >>> >> the childhood diseases we were all likely inoculated against. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> In article <009e01d6ca3b$a5c09030$f141b090$@gmail.com>, >>> >> geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> I?m generally a taker when it comes to vaccinations and apart from the >>> >> annual flu vaccination, had the pneomonia one and the shingles one when >>> >> it was offered. I will be welcoming the Covid one when it?s available >>> >> but what Alan said this morning about the supply of it was a bit >>> >> worrying as it looks like it might be a long wait, even for us who are >>> >> over seventy-five, >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tech1 mailing list >>> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tech1 mailing list >>> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffletch at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 05:09:12 2020 From: geoffletch at gmail.com (Geoff Fletcher) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:09:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <5fcb5949.1c69fb81.89bdb.53c0@mx.google.com> References: <92C8C2C4AD694432BF169281D6E293D3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <395924E0-2F3F-4958-8861-D0A8E5FFCBEE@gmail.com> <5fcb5949.1c69fb81.89bdb.53c0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8F72D1F9-2F6D-49B7-AD7D-DC5DA06BDB7A@gmail.com> This was the young lady I mentioned - Diane Weston was her name. And on searching my neg files for her I found we were both in the first year VI when the BCG tests were done rather than the V form, which would make it 1956/57. I took this photo on 120 roll film in July 1959 - amazing how well the negative has survived after 61 years! Geoff F > On 5 Dec 2020, at 09:56, patheigham wrote: > > I had the same ?reaction? to your story as Nick: > ?I?ll show you mine, if you show me yours!? Eh! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > Sent: 05 December 2020 09:26 > To: Geoffrey Hawkes > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Dave Plowman > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front > > In our small grammar school in Shropshire only two of us reacted to the BCG test - big red swellings on our arms. I was in the Vth form at the time. The other person reacting was one of the best looking girls in the school (co-ed), so I enjoyed comparing swellings with her! > Geoff F > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 590720 RF115 Diane Weston, MDGS Sports Day, Market Drayton, Shropshire copy.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46048 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 5 05:28:43 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:28:43 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <8F72D1F9-2F6D-49B7-AD7D-DC5DA06BDB7A@gmail.com> References: <92C8C2C4AD694432BF169281D6E293D3@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> <395924E0-2F3F-4958-8861-D0A8E5FFCBEE@gmail.com> <5fcb5949.1c69fb81.89bdb.53c0@mx.google.com> <8F72D1F9-2F6D-49B7-AD7D-DC5DA06BDB7A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fcb6eea.1c69fb81.c7c6e.9a51@mx.google.com> Attractive lady, Geoff, but what?s going on in the left background? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoff Fletcher Sent: 05 December 2020 11:09 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front This was the young lady I mentioned - Diane Weston was her name.?And on searching my neg files for her I found we were both in the first year VI when the BCG tests were done rather than the V form, which would make it 1956/57. I took this photo on 120 roll film in July 1959 -?amazing how well the negative has survived after 61 years! ? ? Geoff F -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 590720 RF115 Diane Weston, MDGS Sports Day, Market Drayton, Shropshire copy.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 46048 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Dec 5 05:56:26 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 11:56:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <288F9E67-FE2C-4E82-98A0-D55D2C852D52@icloud.com> References: <288F9E67-FE2C-4E82-98A0-D55D2C852D52@icloud.com> Message-ID: I wasn?t including permanent bulges in my calculations. I tend to think of a swelling as a temporary enlargement that will at some point get smaller. Unless you had in mind something like this, which I offer purely for your musical appreciation, needless to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPeBbYkUAw In which case, forget the BCG swellings, you win. :-) ? N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Dec 2020, at 10:34, Graeme Wall wrote: > > ? Other way round surely, 2:1 :-) > > Graeme Wall > >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 09:52, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? You naughty boy! I?m guessing you had more swellings than she did? >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 09:26, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> In our small grammar school in Shropshire only two of us reacted to the BCG test - big red swellings on our arms. I was in the Vth form at the time. The other person reacting was one of the best looking girls in the school (co-ed), so I enjoyed comparing swellings with her! >>> Geoff >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 5 06:07:19 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 12:07:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: References: <288F9E67-FE2C-4E82-98A0-D55D2C852D52@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5fcb77f5.1c69fb81.d2ba.89bb@mx.google.com> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPeBbYkUAw With those attributes, she doesn?t need the piano! (Don?t lean too far over, dear ? you?ll be covering more keys than required!) Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 05 December 2020 11:56 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front I -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Dec 5 06:15:59 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 12:15:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Security notice Message-ID: Interesting security notice that confronted us earlier this week on arrival at a big empty office block: [cid:885FD55A-5FDE-41A4-992B-5AC2CBF19CDA-L0-001] Needless to say, we ignored it and took the goods lift, avoiding core 1. Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Taylor > On 5 Dec 2020, at 12:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPeBbYkUAw > > With those attributes, she doesn?t need the piano! > (Don?t lean too far over, dear ? you?ll be covering more keys than required!) > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 05 December 2020 11:56 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front > > I > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 5 06:32:56 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 12:32:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <4AEA1171-2492-4171-81BD-D9DE323930D4@me.com> References: <5fcb77f5.1c69fb81.d2ba.89bb@mx.google.com> <4AEA1171-2492-4171-81BD-D9DE323930D4@me.com> Message-ID: <5fcb7df6.1c69fb81.f0da1.77a9@mx.google.com> Depends on how many manuals are involved. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 05 December 2020 12:18 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front She might be fantastic on the piano, but she probably sucks on the organ. Alan Taylor On 5 Dec 2020, at 12:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPeBbYkUAw ? With those attributes, she doesn?t need the piano! (Don?t lean too far over, dear ? you?ll be covering more keys than required!) Pat ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 06:46:53 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 12:46:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sexism, was Meanwhile, on the vaccine front In-Reply-To: <5fcb77f5.1c69fb81.d2ba.89bb@mx.google.com> References: <288F9E67-FE2C-4E82-98A0-D55D2C852D52@icloud.com> <5fcb77f5.1c69fb81.d2ba.89bb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2345ae06-89b1-7785-d8e0-34dde0a2e0fe@gmail.com> There's been some critical discussion on the list about sexism, but this is the other side of the coin. I think this woman is exploiting the male sex drive (which is built into us by evolution or God, depending on your beliefs). There's a lot of that about. Maybe she expects that she might sell more stuff by showing herself off. ? Maybe she does. In that area of showing it off, I prefer Naomi Wu, an engineer who knows what she's talking about.? https://youtu.be/U3k5NlVxnp8 B On 05/12/2020 12:07, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPeBbYkUAw > > > With those attributes, she doesn?t need the piano! > > (Don?t lean too far over, dear ? you?ll be covering more keys than > required!) > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Nick Ware via Tech1 > *Sent: *05 December 2020 11:56 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Meanwhile, on the vaccine front > > I > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Your action is required. If this item is unclaimed by the return date, then it will be returned to sender. The first and second delivery attempt was free of charge To schedule a new delivery, a shipping fee must be paid. GET STARTED DPD News Designed for journalists, this news section provides a list of our recent press releases, useful information, news stories and company profile. [ zitvmxcryz ] Contact our Press Team *Thank you DPD?Group* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sat Dec 5 11:55:15 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 17:55:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A badge Message-ID: <89bd584f-4171-7666-ab56-a150dc7b1196@gmail.com> I thought maybe that there'll be a financial opportunity for someone next month. Get the jab, wear a badge - stuff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Mike G > On 5 Dec 2020, at 17:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Our friends from telnet.be are trying a new scam! Cheers, Dave. PS. We were both in all day and my wife was in the front garden for most of the time! > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Return-Path: > Original-Recipient: rfc822;dave.mdv at btinternet.com > Received: from rgin01.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (10.110.33.151) by be80.bt.int.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.034) id 5E1525D20398BBB0 for dave.mdv at btinternet.com ; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 17:20:14 +0000 > Received: from re-prd-fep-010.btinternet.com (213.120.69.115) by rgin01.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.019.26-1) id 5BA137944F5D2769 for dave.mdv at btinternet.com ; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 17:20:15 +0000 > Received: from re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net ([10.2.54.27]) by re-prd-fep-010.mx.internal with ESMTP id <20201205172015.JMHR4246.re-prd-fep-010.mx.internal at re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 17:20:15 +0000 > Authentication-Results: btinternet.com; dmarc=pass header.from=telenet.be; dkim=none; dkim=error; spf=none smtp.helo=andre.telenet-ops.be; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=telenet.be > X-OWM-SPF-MAILFROM: Pass > X-OWM-SPF: 0 > Received-SPF: none (re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net: domain andre.telenet-ops.be does not designate permitted sender hosts) identity=helo; receiver=re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net; client-ip=195.130.132.53; helo=andre.telenet-ops.be; > Received-SPF: pass (re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net: domain telenet.be designates 195.130.132.53 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; receiver=re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net; client-ip=195.130.132.53; envelope-from=morkcuqr55249xvpxvua at telenet.be ; helo=andre.telenet-ops.be; > X-Originating-IP: [195.130.132.53] > X-OWM-Source-IP: 195.130.132.53 (BE) > X-OWM-Env-Sender: morkcuqr55249xvpxvua at telenet.be > X-SNCR-Rigid: 5ED85F5A201A4036 > X-OWM-DMARC: spf 0 dkim 7 > X-OWM-DKIM: 5 > X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=10/300, class=transactional-purchases > X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN > X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedrudejtddguddtfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucdnrfhurhgthhgrshgvucdluddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsegrtdefvcdttdejnecuhfhrohhmpedffffrffcufgfmucdquchnvgifuchinhhfohhrmhgrthhiohhnfdcuoehmohhrkhgtuhhqrhehhedvgeelgihvphigvhhurgesthgvlhgvnhgvthdrsggvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeduvdekieetfedvveeglefhhfeutdfgueeiudduvdefvdegteekueehuefgiedtueenucffohhmrghinheprhhgrgdrrggvnecukfhppeduleehrddufedtrddufedvrdehfedpleegrddvvdeirdduudelrdduleenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgurhgvrdhtvghlvghnvghtqdhophhsrdgsvgdpihhnvghtpeduleehrddufedtrddufedvrdehfedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeomhhorhhktghuqhhrheehvdegleigvhhpgihvuhgrsehtvghlvghnvghtrdgsvgeqpdhrtghpthhtohepoegurghvvgdrmhguvhessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqecuqfftvefrvfeprhhftgekvddvnegurghvvgdrmhguvhessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhm > X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 10 > X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: transactional-purchases > Received: from andre.telenet-ops.be (195.130.132.53) by re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net (5.8.340) id 5ED85F5A201A4036 for dave.mdv at btinternet.com ; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 17:20:15 +0000 > Received: from smtp.telenet.be ([94.226.119.19]) by andre.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 0hL32400N0RC8qe01hLE6C; Sat, 05 Dec 2020 18:20:14 +0100 > From: DPD UK - new information > To: dave.mdv at btinternet.com > Subject: Reassing Parcel Delivery - Redelivery confirmation - dpdoezispsl > Date: 05 Dec 2020 17:20:14 +0000 > Message-ID: <20201205172013.8249D67FE2FFA793 at telenet.be> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_0FD61DD0.88F97EB8" > > > > > Date: 12/5/2020 5:20:13 p.m. > Email: dave.mdv at btinternet.com > Your Reference: 166196 > Opening Hours: Monday to Friday 8am to 6pm > > Dear dave.mdv at btinternet.com > Never miss a parcel delivery again > > Your parcel number 5551052905 > > > We tried to deliver your parcel today but you weren't in or there was no safe place to leave it. > > Your action is required. If this item is unclaimed by the return date, then it will be returned to sender. > > The first and second delivery attempt was free of charge > > To schedule a new delivery, a shipping fee must be paid. > > GET STARTED > DPD News > Designed for journalists, this news section provides a list of our recent press releases, useful information, news stories and company profile. > > [ zitvmxcryz ] > > Contact our Press Team > > Thank you > DPD Group > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sat Dec 5 12:18:41 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 18:18:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Reassing Parcel Delivery - Redelivery confirmation - dpdoezispsl In-Reply-To: References: <20201205172013.8249D67FE2FFA793@telenet.be> Message-ID: <3d5f6c47-633a-9d8a-16d6-3d97b99daef5@btinternet.com> Thanks Mike.? When I looked at DPD's website about fraud they had exactly the same e-mail shown as an example of the scam! Sadly, my wife has been waiting for on-line shopping to arrive and was quite ready to believe the e-mail! Luckily, I am a total sceptic where e-mails are concerned, except from people I know, of course! Cheers, Dave On 05/12/2020 18:02, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > Yes, Dave, I also had one purporting to be from DPD. It was just at a > time that we were expecting a parcel, but it just didn?t ring true in > terms of sender or recipient addresses and, like you, we had been in > the whole time. Sure enough, the parcel we were expecting arrived the > following day, but it wasn?t even DPD! I forwarded it to > >. > > > Mike G > >> On 5 Dec 2020, at 17:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Our friends from telnet.be are trying a new scam!? Cheers, Dave. PS. >> We were both in all day and my wife was in the front garden for most >> of the time! >> >> >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Return-Path: >> Original-Recipient: rfc822;dave.mdv at btinternet.com >> Received: from rgin01.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk >> (10.110.33.151) by >> be80.bt.int.cpcloud.co.uk (9.0.034) id >> 5E1525D20398BBB0 for dave.mdv at btinternet.com; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 >> 17:20:14 +0000 >> Received: from re-prd-fep-010.btinternet.com >> (213.120.69.115) by >> rgin01.bt.ext.cpcloud.co.uk >> (9.0.019.26-1) id 5BA137944F5D2769 for dave.mdv at btinternet.com; Sat, >> 5 Dec 2020 17:20:15 +0000 >> Received: from re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net >> ([10.2.54.27]) by >> re-prd-fep-010.mx.internal with ESMTP id >> <20201205172015.JMHR4246.re-prd-fep-010.mx.internal at re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> >> for ; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 17:20:15 +0000 >> Authentication-Results: btinternet.com ; >> dmarc=pass header.from=telenet.be; dkim=none; dkim=error; spf=none >> smtp.helo=andre.telenet-ops.be; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=telenet.be >> X-OWM-SPF-MAILFROM: Pass >> X-OWM-SPF: 0 >> Received-SPF: none (re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net >> : domain >> andre.telenet-ops.be does not designate permitted sender hosts) >> identity=helo; receiver=re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net >> ; >> client-ip=195.130.132.53; helo=andre.telenet-ops.be; >> Received-SPF: pass (re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net >> : domain telenet.be >> designates 195.130.132.53 as permitted sender) identity=mailfrom; >> receiver=re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net >> ; >> client-ip=195.130.132.53; >> envelope-from=morkcuqr55249xvpxvua at telenet.be; >> helo=andre.telenet-ops.be; >> X-Originating-IP: [195.130.132.53] >> X-OWM-Source-IP: 195.130.132.53 (BE) >> X-OWM-Env-Sender: morkcuqr55249xvpxvua at telenet.be >> X-SNCR-Rigid: 5ED85F5A201A4036 >> X-OWM-DMARC: spf 0 dkim 7 >> X-OWM-DKIM: 5 >> X-VadeSecure-score: verdict=clean score=10/300, >> class=transactional-purchases >> X-SNCR-VADESECURE: CLEAN >> X-RazorGate-Vade: >> gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedujedrudejtddguddtfecutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemuceutffkvffkuffjvffgnffgvefqofenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedtudenucdnrfhurhgthhgrshgvucdluddtmdenucfjughrpefhvffufffkgggtsegrtdefvcdttdejnecuhfhrohhmpedffffrffcufgfmucdquchnvgifuchinhhfohhrmhgrthhiohhnfdcuoehmohhrkhgtuhhqrhehhedvgeelgihvphigvhhurgesthgvlhgvnhgvthdrsggvqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeduvdekieetfedvveeglefhhfeutdfgueeiudduvdefvdegteekueehuefgiedtueenucffohhmrghinheprhhgrgdrrggvnecukfhppeduleehrddufedtrddufedvrdehfedpleegrddvvdeirdduudelrdduleenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhephhgvlhhopegrnhgurhgvrdhtvghlvghnvghtqdhophhsrdgsvgdpihhnvghtpeduleehrddufedtrddufedvrdehfedpmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpeeomhhorhhktghuqhhrheehvdegleigvhhpgihvuhgrsehtvghlvghnvghtrdgsvgeqpdhrtghpthhtohepoegurghvvgdrmhguvhessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhmqecuqfftvefrvfeprhhftgekvddvnegurghvvgdrmhguvhessghtihhnthgvrhhnvghtrdgtohhm >> >> X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 10 >> X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: transactional-purchases >> Received: from andre.telenet-ops.be (195.130.132.53) by >> re-prd-rgin-019.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net >> (5.8.340) id >> 5ED85F5A201A4036 for dave.mdv at btinternet.com; Sat, 5 Dec 2020 >> 17:20:15 +0000 >> Received: from smtp.telenet.be ([94.226.119.19]) by >> andre.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id 0hL32400N0RC8qe01hLE6C; Sat, 05 >> Dec 2020 18:20:14 +0100 >> From: DPD UK - new information >> To: dave.mdv at btinternet.com >> Subject: Reassing Parcel Delivery - Redelivery confirmation - >> dpdoezispsl >> Date: 05 Dec 2020 17:20:14 +0000 >> Message-ID: <20201205172013.8249D67FE2FFA793 at telenet.be> >> MIME-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_0FD61DD0.88F97EB8" >> >> >> >> >> Date: 12/5/2020 5:20:13 p.m. >> Email:dave.mdv at btinternet.com >> Your Reference: 166196 >> Opening Hours: Monday to Friday 8am to 6pm >> >> Dopravce DPD Novacig | Speci?lka na E-cigarety od 2011 | Novacig.cz >> >> *Dear dave.mdv at btinternet.com* >> >> *_Never miss a parcel delivery again >> _* >> Your parcel number 5551052905 >> >> >> We tried to deliver your parcel today but you weren't in or there was >> no safe place to leave it. >> >> Your action is required. If this item is unclaimed by the return >> date, then it will be returned to sender. >> >> The first and second delivery attempt was free of charge >> >> To schedule a new delivery, a shipping fee must be paid. >> >> GET STARTED >> >> >> DPD News >> Designed for journalists, this news section provides a list of our >> recent press releases, useful information, news stories and company >> profile. >> >> [ zitvmxcryz ] >> >> Contact our Press Team >> >> *Thank you >> DPD?Group* >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Get the jab, wear a badge - > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: V1 flying bomb on ramp.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 624212 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 5 15:58:09 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 21:58:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Happy Christmas! Message-ID: <5fcc0272.1c69fb81.c7a48.99ad@mx.google.com> I know it?s a bit early, but I always sent my cards out on my birthday. Here?s an animated card to everyone. If you are a least bit musical, you can click on each deer in turn to bring them in. (every 8 bars, I think). Happy Christmas Pat (You might need a media player to get it) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Santa's Deer.swf Type: application/x-shockwave-flash Size: 349558 bytes Desc: not available URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Dec 5 16:27:24 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2020 22:27:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: <01282289-8E50-455C-92D5-F9E91CD670EA@icloud.com> References: <89bd584f-4171-7666-ab56-a150dc7b1196@gmail.com> , <01282289-8E50-455C-92D5-F9E91CD670EA@icloud.com> Message-ID: I wonder how many of you guys actually remember seeing those V1 Doodlebugs in action? I?ve always believed that our earliest permanent memories begin from about age four. But when I was barely three years old (1944/5) we lived in Guildford, up on the Hog?s Back. Directly out of my North facing bedroom window you could see all the way to London, and all the flashing and fire and smoke that went on there lit up the sky every night. And nearby in line of sight was the very conspicuous part-completed chancel of Guildford Cathedral. A bit South of us is Shalford, where there was a big ammunition factory and a railway line that carried munitions between Horsham and Guildford, and thence to wherever they were needed. German aircraft used St Martha?s church a bit further to the Southeast on the Pilgrims? Way as a visual navigation landmark for targeting the heavily defended ammunition factory, and the Cathedral was a visual marker heading towards London. From my window we could see German bombers and the V1?s passing overhead making their eery pulse-jet sound, that would suddenly cut out causing the V1 to nosedive to the ground and explode. That spike on the nose was the detonator. Plus of course, we saw all the British aircraft intercepting them. I know I shouldn?t theoretically be able to remember any of that, but I?m convinced that such was the horror of it all, I still see and hear it vividly, and not because of film footage I?ve seen since then. All made worse by the fact that my Dad?s brother and family, and his mum, my Gran, lived in the Clapham area, and my poor Dad had no way of knowing if they were OK. So, who else here lives with those memories? We don? t need badges to bring it all back. Maybe CV1 and CV2 would be more appropriate! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ? You wouldn?t need a second jab after this one: ? Graeme Wall [cid:99AD26D8-7812-4474-97B8-5F24D92E7200 at home] On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: Already a talking point then On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 18:56 Keith Wicks, > wrote: But they make you look like a nerd specialising in German bombs! KW On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I thought maybe that there'll be a financial opportunity for someone next month. Get the jab, wear a badge - -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Dec 2020, at 10:26, Nick Ware wrote: > > ?(Feel free to insert the missing b .) > Cheers, > N. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 5 Dec 2020, at 10:05, Nick Ware wrote: >> >> ?In case there are any aircraft anoraks like me nearby to Dunsfold, and who missed the last ex-BA 747 arriving here a couple of weeks ago, Aces High have another one coming in today from Cardiff. Expected at 13.00. Weather looking OK at the moment. >> If anyone puts up decent video on FB I?ll forward it to here. The last one was quite a spectacle (though probaly not to anyone who lives near Heathrow!) >> Cheers, >> N. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com Sat Dec 5 18:14:03 2020 From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 00:14:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Reassing Parcel Delivery - Redelivery confirmation - dpdoezispsl In-Reply-To: <3d5f6c47-633a-9d8a-16d6-3d97b99daef5@btinternet.com> References: <20201205172013.8249D67FE2FFA793@telenet.be> <3d5f6c47-633a-9d8a-16d6-3d97b99daef5@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7CC4A484-DA6A-44CB-91AD-A98CD7849E29@btinternet.com> I got one today also, it said I?d missed a DPD delivery today 10:20. I was outside on the front drive at that time so they use invisible vans! Email raw source gives them away. Barry. On 5 Dec 2020, at 18:18, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > Thanks Mike. When I looked at DPD's website about fraud they had exactly the same e-mail shown as an example of the scam! Sadly, my wife has been waiting for on-line shopping to arrive and was quite ready to believe the e-mail! Luckily, I am a total sceptic where e-mails are concerned, except from people I know, of course! Cheers, Dave > On 05/12/2020 18:02, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> Yes, Dave, I also had one purporting to be from DPD. It was just at a time that we were expecting a parcel, but it just didn?t ring true in terms of sender or recipient addresses and, like you, we had been in the whole time. Sure enough, the parcel we were expecting arrived the following day, but it wasn?t even DPD! I forwarded it to . >> >> >> Mike G >> >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 17:35, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Our friends from telnet.be are trying a new scam! Cheers, Dave. PS. 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URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Sun Dec 6 02:37:33 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 08:37:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aces High - another ex-BA 747 today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What a rum read: Nick's memory of doodlebugs followed by his 'It landed at first attempt...' Had the 747s wanted to leave Dunsfold, would it have to be in pieces? My reading is of 7k ft needed for landing and 9k ft for takeoff, presumably with passengers.? But Dunsfold is only 5,495 ft. On part 1: aged 7, I parted the heavy curtains next to the Morrison shelter in the downstairs room of our Winchester lodgings to see a distant doodlebug one night, but a clearer memory is of 'counting them all out' as a daytime bombing raid was to be seen through a small window of my attic bedroom when off sick one day from school. I counted 83. Of course, bomber raids of 1,000 were not unknown, but the number 83 strikes home now that's my age. Hugh On 05-Dec-20 11:02 PM, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > It landed on first attempt coming in from the West, so not over us. Excellent phone video on Facebook - Cranleigh Community Group. The official video was apparently crap and missed the actual touchdown behind another aircraft in foreground. > So that?s three they?ve got now. Runway soon to be dug up for 1100 houses to be built. > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 5 Dec 2020, at 10:26, Nick Ware wrote: >> >> ?(Feel free to insert the missing b .) >> Cheers, >> N. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 10:05, Nick Ware wrote: >>> >>> ?In case there are any aircraft anoraks like me nearby to Dunsfold, and who missed the last ex-BA 747 arriving here a couple of weeks ago, Aces High have another one coming in today from Cardiff. Expected at 13.00. Weather looking OK at the moment. >>> If anyone puts up decent video on FB I?ll forward it to here. The last one was quite a spectacle (though probaly not to anyone who lives near Heathrow!) >>> Cheers, >>> N. >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Dec 6 05:34:44 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 11:34:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aces High - another ex-BA 747 today In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: The 747?s are now film props, not going anywhere. They already had one, now they have three. What must they have in mind?! According to local info, being stripped of engines and other re-usable parts. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 6 Dec 2020, at 08:38, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: ? What a rum read: Nick's memory of doodlebugs followed by his 'It landed at first attempt...' Had the 747s wanted to leave Dunsfold, would it have to be in pieces? My reading is of 7k ft needed for landing and 9k ft for takeoff, presumably with passengers. But Dunsfold is only 5,495 ft. [edit] Hugh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 05:49:56 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 11:49:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aces High - another ex-BA 747 today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4898c946-8ba4-945a-c5cc-ee32eebd9547@gmail.com> I made a film about Aces High, back in 1982. Their pilot, interviewed around 1.30, seemed to be able to fly anything. He was telling stories about ferrying Heinkels (or possibly the Spanish version) for Battle of Britain, with the controls labelled in some foreign language and all the units in metres.? He flew 737s for a living, but also flew both the the C47 and the Shooting Star here.?? Andrew Harvey said "Be gentle with me", but as they cleared the runway after the second take he put it into a full power rolling climb. Andrew instinctively grabbed at the nearest thing and it all went quiet, as he'd pulled back the throttle. Soon sorted, thankfully.? I got to stay entirely on the ground, as I also did when filming the Red Arrows. I'm still not sure whether I'm pleased about that or not. http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/aces1.m4v B On 06/12/2020 11:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > The 747?s are now film props, not going anywhere. They already had > one, now they have three. What must they have in mind?! According to > local info, being stripped of engines and other re-usable parts. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 6 Dec 2020, at 08:38, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? What a rum read: Nick's memory of doodlebugs followed by his 'It >> landed at first attempt...' >> >> Had the 747s wanted to leave Dunsfold, would it have to be in pieces? >> My reading is of 7k ft needed for landing and 9k ft for takeoff, >> presumably with passengers.? But Dunsfold is only 5,495 ft. >> [edit] >> Hugh >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Sun Dec 6 07:11:32 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:11:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok here?s a fairly precise toddler memory measure. I was taken to Stone Park maternity hospital in my uncle?s Flying Standard car to fetch my baby sister home and I clearly remember the big green swing doors opening and her coming out, as a bundle of course. I was two years four months and twenty days old plus a few days of recuperation time which mums got in those days. Apparently they had already asked some time before if I would like a baby sister and I said ?No, I would rather have a bus?. I don?t remember saying that but I do clearly remember the tin plate bus which I towed around on a piece of string. It?s long gone so no appearance on Antiques Road show despite my being an antique. I don?t specifically recall doodlebugs and bombs. I really was too young, a few days old when another wing of Lewisham Hospital was bombed in April 44, but for years I was disturbed by droning aero engines, and seeing searchlights at night but I think that was all postwar logistics and the soon to be disbanded anti aircraft teams going through the motions. I seems I missed all the fun. Peter Fox On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? I wonder how many of you guys actually remember seeing those V1 Doodlebugs in action? I?ve always believed that our earliest permanent memories begin from about age four. But when I was barely three years old (1944/5) we lived in Guildford, up on the Hog?s Back. Directly out of my North facing bedroom window you could see all the way to London, and all the flashing and fire and smoke that went on there lit up the sky every night. And nearby in line of sight was the very conspicuous part-completed chancel of Guildford Cathedral. A bit South of us is Shalford, where there was a big ammunition factory and a railway line that carried munitions between Horsham and Guildford, and thence to wherever they were needed. German aircraft used St Martha?s church a bit further to the Southeast on the Pilgrims? Way as a visual navigation landmark for targeting the heavily defended ammunition factory, and the Cathedral was a visual marker heading towards London. From my window we could see German bombers and the V1?s passing overhead making their eery pulse-jet sound, that would suddenly cut out causing the V1 to nosedive to the ground and explode. That spike on the nose was the detonator. Plus of course, we saw all the British aircraft intercepting them. I know I shouldn?t theoretically be able to remember any of that, but I?m convinced that such was the horror of it all, I still see and hear it vividly, and not because of film footage I?ve seen since then. All made worse by the fact that my Dad?s brother and family, and his mum, my Gran, lived in the Clapham area, and my poor Dad had no way of knowing if they were OK. So, who else here lives with those memories? We don? t need badges to bring it all back. Maybe CV1 and CV2 would be more appropriate! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ? You wouldn?t need a second jab after this one: > ? > Graeme Wall > > > >> On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Already a talking point then >> >> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 18:56 Keith Wicks, wrote: >> But they make you look like a nerd specialising in German bombs! >> >> KW >> >> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I thought maybe that there'll be a financial opportunity for someone next month. Get the jab, wear a badge - >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Dec 6 07:15:22 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 13:15:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a distinct memory of seeing a tram in London, they stopped running in 1952 when I was three years old. ? Graeme Wall > On 6 Dec 2020, at 13:11, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > Ok here?s a fairly precise toddler memory measure. I was taken to Stone Park maternity hospital in my uncle?s Flying Standard car to fetch my baby sister home and I clearly remember the big green swing doors opening and her coming out, as a bundle of course. I was two years four months and twenty days old plus a few days of recuperation time which mums got in those days. Apparently they had already asked some time before if I would like a baby sister and I said ?No, I would rather have a bus?. I don?t remember saying that but I do clearly remember the tin plate bus which I towed around on a piece of string. It?s long gone so no appearance on Antiques Road show despite my being an antique. I don?t specifically recall doodlebugs and bombs. > I really was too young, a few days old when another wing of Lewisham Hospital was bombed in April 44, but for years I was disturbed by droning aero engines, and seeing searchlights at night but I think that was all postwar logistics and the soon to be disbanded anti aircraft teams going through the motions. I seems I missed all the fun. > > Peter Fox > > On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I wonder how many of you guys actually remember seeing those V1 Doodlebugs in action? I?ve always believed that our earliest permanent memories begin from about age four. But when I was barely three years old (1944/5) we lived in Guildford, up on the Hog?s Back. Directly out of my North facing bedroom window you could see all the way to London, and all the flashing and fire and smoke that went on there lit up the sky every night. > And nearby in line of sight was the very conspicuous part-completed chancel of Guildford Cathedral. A bit South of us is Shalford, where there was a big ammunition factory and a railway line that carried munitions between Horsham and Guildford, and thence to wherever they were needed. German aircraft used St Martha?s church a bit further to the Southeast on the Pilgrims? Way as a visual navigation landmark for targeting the heavily defended ammunition factory, and the Cathedral was a visual marker heading towards London. From my window we could see German bombers and the V1?s passing overhead making their eery pulse-jet sound, that would suddenly cut out causing the V1 to nosedive to the ground and explode. That spike on the nose was the detonator. Plus of course, we saw all the British aircraft intercepting them. > I know I shouldn?t theoretically be able to remember any of that, but I?m convinced that such was the horror of it all, I still see and hear it vividly, and not because of film footage I?ve seen since then. All made worse by the fact that my Dad?s brother and family, and his mum, my Gran, lived in the Clapham area, and my poor Dad had no way of knowing if they were OK. > So, who else here lives with those memories? We don? t need badges to bring it all back. Maybe CV1 and CV2 would be more appropriate! > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? You wouldn?t need a second jab after this one: >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >> >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Already a talking point then >>> >>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 18:56 Keith Wicks, wrote: >>> But they make you look like a nerd specialising in German bombs! >>> >>> KW >>> >>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> I thought maybe that there'll be a financial opportunity for someone next month. Get the jab, wear a badge - >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Dec 6 07:32:34 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2020 13:32:34 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58da9fe9d9davesound@btinternet.com> How about steam lorries delivering coal? In article , Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I have a distinct memory of seeing a tram in London, they stopped > running in 1952 when I was three years old. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From peterjohncombes at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 08:47:57 2020 From: peterjohncombes at gmail.com (Peter Combes) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 15:47:57 +0100 Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My most vivid memory of the war is in some ways the most puzzling. The family had got out of bed in the middle of the night, at the sound of a ?doodle bug? ? a flying bomb, what we would call today a cruise missile, or what the Germans called Vergelstungswaffe V-1 ? the first ?revenge weapons?. With the great cities of Germany in ruins, the Germans were unable to retaliate until the arrival of sophisticated armaments ? the V-1 and the V-2 rocket. The V-1 was a conventional looking aircraft, with a highly innovative ?pulse-jet? engine. This made a distinctive buzzing sound, and when the machine calculated that it was over the target, the motor cut out, and the plane dived to explode. Thus, the common advice was ?if you can hear it you are all right?. So perhaps the family had made a calculated decision to get outside the house lest the V-1 dived on them and destroyed the house on top of them. In any case, we stood on the back porch and watched the bright pulsating light that was the V-1, coming from the East. Then another actor joined the scene. We saw two lights coming towards us and the sound of powerful piston engines. Another sound was like a sound of tearing paper, and then, silently, the V-1 turned until a great ball of fire that then faded into the darkness. Only much later in life did I realise the oddities in this experience. The V-1 had come from the East, though generally they had come from Belgium, in the South. Since Allied aircraft had a performance hardly greater than the V-1, a pursuit curve was the usual technique, not the ?collision course attack? which did not become common until the jet age. Was it all a dream? Do the details give it away? Only very recently (2020) did I learn that after the ground launching sites had been overrun and put out of action, the Germans resorted, for a short while to air-launches, in which modified V-1?s were carried under the wings of bombers and then launched. These launches were made from what was still German-held territory ? to the East. The British response involved modified bomber aircraft that located the flying bombs by radar and alerted night fighters to intercept. All this would explain the interception from the South, and the attack that anticipated where the target was going to be. So perhaps I can congratulate four-year old memory, rather than four-year old creativity! Attacks on Chelmsford by flying bomb were in fact relatively rare. I know of one that caused some hilarity by landing in the local swimming pool, and one that was much more serious, destroying the Hoffmann Ball Bearing works, a serious blow to the war effort. Peter Combes Crew3 Emeritus On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 14:15, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I have a distinct memory of seeing a tram in London, they stopped running > in 1952 when I was three years old. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 6 Dec 2020, at 13:11, Peter Fox via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > Ok here?s a fairly precise toddler memory measure. I was taken to Stone > Park maternity hospital in my uncle?s Flying Standard car to fetch my baby > sister home and I clearly remember the big green swing doors opening and > her coming out, as a bundle of course. I was two years four months and > twenty days old plus a few days of recuperation time which mums got in > those days. Apparently they had already asked some time before if I would > like a baby sister and I said ?No, I would rather have a bus?. I don?t > remember saying that but I do clearly remember the tin plate bus which I > towed around on a piece of string. It?s long gone so no appearance on > Antiques Road show despite my being an antique. I don?t specifically recall > doodlebugs and bombs. > > I really was too young, a few days old when another wing of Lewisham > Hospital was bombed in April 44, but for years I was disturbed by droning > aero engines, and seeing searchlights at night but I think that was all > postwar logistics and the soon to be disbanded anti aircraft teams going > through the motions. I seems I missed all the fun. > > > > Peter Fox > > > > On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ? I wonder how many of you guys actually remember seeing those V1 > Doodlebugs in action? I?ve always believed that our earliest permanent > memories begin from about age four. But when I was barely three years old > (1944/5) we lived in Guildford, up on the Hog?s Back. Directly out of my > North facing bedroom window you could see all the way to London, and all > the flashing and fire and smoke that went on there lit up the sky every > night. > > And nearby in line of sight was the very conspicuous part-completed > chancel of Guildford Cathedral. A bit South of us is Shalford, where there > was a big ammunition factory and a railway line that carried munitions > between Horsham and Guildford, and thence to wherever they were needed. > German aircraft used St Martha?s church a bit further to the Southeast on > the Pilgrims? Way as a visual navigation landmark for targeting the heavily > defended ammunition factory, and the Cathedral was a visual marker heading > towards London. From my window we could see German bombers and the V1?s > passing overhead making their eery pulse-jet sound, that would suddenly cut > out causing the V1 to nosedive to the ground and explode. That spike on the > nose was the detonator. Plus of course, we saw all the British aircraft > intercepting them. > > I know I shouldn?t theoretically be able to remember any of that, but > I?m convinced that such was the horror of it all, I still see and hear it > vividly, and not because of film footage I?ve seen since then. All made > worse by the fact that my Dad?s brother and family, and his mum, my Gran, > lived in the Clapham area, and my poor Dad had no way of knowing if they > were OK. > > So, who else here lives with those memories? We don? t need badges to > bring it all back. Maybe CV1 and CV2 would be more appropriate! > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > >> On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> ? You wouldn?t need a second jab after this one: > >> ? > >> Graeme Wall > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>> Already a talking point then > >>> > >>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 18:56 Keith Wicks, wrote: > >>> But they make you look like a nerd specialising in German bombs! > >>> > >>> KW > >>> > >>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >>> I thought maybe that there'll be a financial opportunity for someone > next month. 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URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Dec 6 08:57:14 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 14:57:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quite a few V1s were shot down, usually by Tempests and Mosquitoes which had a greater speed advantage. The danger was the attacking aircaft could be destroyed by the warhead exploding if it got too close. The IWM has a classic piece of film of a Spitfire toppling one in flight by getting a wing tip under the wing of the F1 and toppling it by disrupting the airflow. The new Meteor jet fighters were rushed into service as they had a better chance of catching them. Incidentally the engines weren?t supposed to cut out but power the things into the ground, but the abrupt dive interrupted the fuel flow to the ram jet and they cut out instead. ? Graeme Wall > On 6 Dec 2020, at 14:47, Peter Combes wrote: > > My most vivid memory of the war is in some ways the most puzzling. The family had got out of bed in the middle of the night, at the sound of a ?doodle bug? ? a flying bomb, what we would call today a cruise missile, or what the Germans called Vergelstungswaffe V-1 ? the first ?revenge weapons?. With the great cities of Germany in ruins, the Germans were unable to retaliate until the arrival of sophisticated armaments ? the V-1 and the V-2 rocket. The V-1 was a conventional looking aircraft, with a highly innovative ?pulse-jet? engine. This made a distinctive buzzing sound, and when the machine calculated that it was over the target, the motor cut out, and the plane dived to explode. Thus, the common advice was ?if you can hear it you are all right?. So perhaps the family had made a calculated decision to get outside the house lest the V-1 dived on them and destroyed the house on top of them. > > > In any case, we stood on the back porch and watched the bright pulsating light that was the V-1, coming from the East. Then another actor joined the scene. We saw two lights coming towards us and the sound of powerful piston engines. Another sound was like a sound of tearing paper, and then, silently, the V-1 turned until a great ball of fire that then faded into the darkness. > > > Only much later in life did I realise the oddities in this experience. The V-1 had come from the East, though generally they had come from Belgium, in the South. Since Allied aircraft had a performance hardly greater than the V-1, a pursuit curve was the usual technique, not the ?collision course attack? which did not become common until the jet age. > > Was it all a dream? Do the details give it away? > > > Only very recently (2020) did I learn that after the ground launching sites had been overrun and put out of action, the Germans resorted, for a short while to air-launches, in which modified V-1?s were carried under the wings of bombers and then launched. These launches were made from what was still German-held territory ? to the East. The British response involved modified bomber aircraft that located the flying bombs by radar and alerted night fighters to intercept. All this would explain the interception from the South, and the attack that anticipated where the target was going to be. > > > So perhaps I can congratulate four-year old memory, rather than four-year old creativity! > > > Attacks on Chelmsford by flying bomb were in fact relatively rare. I know of one that caused some hilarity by landing in the local swimming pool, and one that was much more serious, destroying the Hoffmann Ball Bearing works, a serious blow to the war effort. > > > Peter Combes > > Crew3 Emeritus > > > On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 14:15, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I have a distinct memory of seeing a tram in London, they stopped running in 1952 when I was three years old. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 6 Dec 2020, at 13:11, Peter Fox via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Ok here?s a fairly precise toddler memory measure. I was taken to Stone Park maternity hospital in my uncle?s Flying Standard car to fetch my baby sister home and I clearly remember the big green swing doors opening and her coming out, as a bundle of course. I was two years four months and twenty days old plus a few days of recuperation time which mums got in those days. Apparently they had already asked some time before if I would like a baby sister and I said ?No, I would rather have a bus?. I don?t remember saying that but I do clearly remember the tin plate bus which I towed around on a piece of string. It?s long gone so no appearance on Antiques Road show despite my being an antique. I don?t specifically recall doodlebugs and bombs. > > I really was too young, a few days old when another wing of Lewisham Hospital was bombed in April 44, but for years I was disturbed by droning aero engines, and seeing searchlights at night but I think that was all postwar logistics and the soon to be disbanded anti aircraft teams going through the motions. I seems I missed all the fun. > > > > Peter Fox > > > > On 5 Dec 2020, at 22:28, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ? I wonder how many of you guys actually remember seeing those V1 Doodlebugs in action? I?ve always believed that our earliest permanent memories begin from about age four. But when I was barely three years old (1944/5) we lived in Guildford, up on the Hog?s Back. Directly out of my North facing bedroom window you could see all the way to London, and all the flashing and fire and smoke that went on there lit up the sky every night. > > And nearby in line of sight was the very conspicuous part-completed chancel of Guildford Cathedral. A bit South of us is Shalford, where there was a big ammunition factory and a railway line that carried munitions between Horsham and Guildford, and thence to wherever they were needed. German aircraft used St Martha?s church a bit further to the Southeast on the Pilgrims? Way as a visual navigation landmark for targeting the heavily defended ammunition factory, and the Cathedral was a visual marker heading towards London. From my window we could see German bombers and the V1?s passing overhead making their eery pulse-jet sound, that would suddenly cut out causing the V1 to nosedive to the ground and explode. That spike on the nose was the detonator. Plus of course, we saw all the British aircraft intercepting them. > > I know I shouldn?t theoretically be able to remember any of that, but I?m convinced that such was the horror of it all, I still see and hear it vividly, and not because of film footage I?ve seen since then. All made worse by the fact that my Dad?s brother and family, and his mum, my Gran, lived in the Clapham area, and my poor Dad had no way of knowing if they were OK. > > So, who else here lives with those memories? We don? t need badges to bring it all back. Maybe CV1 and CV2 would be more appropriate! > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > >> On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > >> > >> ? You wouldn?t need a second jab after this one: > >> ? > >> Graeme Wall > >> > >> > >> > >>> On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > >>> > >>> Already a talking point then > >>> > >>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 18:56 Keith Wicks, wrote: > >>> But they make you look like a nerd specialising in German bombs! > >>> > >>> KW > >>> > >>> On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > >>> I thought maybe that there'll be a financial opportunity for someone next month. Get the jab, wear a badge - > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >>> -- > >>> Tech1 mailing list > >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > >> > >> -- > >> Tech1 mailing list > >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sun Dec 6 09:44:44 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 15:44:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Aces High - another ex-BA 747 today In-Reply-To: <4898c946-8ba4-945a-c5cc-ee32eebd9547@gmail.com> References: <4898c946-8ba4-945a-c5cc-ee32eebd9547@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2BE9E0D6-C1A7-43F8-A5A1-DFC58C588114@me.com> I drove past Kemble ( AKA Cotswold Airport ) today. There are always quite a few airliners parked up there and one or two being dismantled, but today there were loads of airliners parked up. I?ve never seen so many there before. On my way home, I made a point of driving past the back of the airfield instead and that was packed too. Does anybody live near Lasham ? That used to be a favourite parking spot for airliners. Is Lasham stuffed to the gills too? Alan Taylor > On 6 Dec 2020, at 11:50, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I made a film about Aces High, back in 1982. Their pilot, interviewed around 1.30, seemed to be able to fly anything. He was telling stories about ferrying Heinkels (or possibly the Spanish version) for Battle of Britain, with the controls labelled in some foreign language and all the units in metres. He flew 737s for a living, but also flew both the the C47 and the Shooting Star here. Andrew Harvey said "Be gentle with me", but as they cleared the runway after the second take he put it into a full power rolling climb. Andrew instinctively grabbed at the nearest thing and it all went quiet, as he'd pulled back the throttle. Soon sorted, thankfully. I got to stay entirely on the ground, as I also did when filming the Red Arrows. I'm still not sure whether I'm pleased about that or not. > > http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/bern/aces1.m4v > > B > > > > On 06/12/2020 11:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> The 747?s are now film props, not going anywhere. They already had one, now they have three. What must they have in mind?! According to local info, being stripped of engines and other re-usable parts. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 6 Dec 2020, at 08:38, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? What a rum read: Nick's memory of doodlebugs followed by his 'It landed at first attempt...' >>> >>> Had the 747s wanted to leave Dunsfold, would it have to be in pieces? My reading is of 7k ft needed for landing and 9k ft for takeoff, presumably with passengers. But Dunsfold is only 5,495 ft. >>> [edit] >>> Hugh >>> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 6 18:00:53 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:00:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss Message-ID: I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 18:11:22 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:11:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It was certainly on the BBC red button earlier, around 1pm. It may be hidden away on the sports pages by now if it's been bumped off the man headline front page. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55204070 -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Monday, December 07, 2020 12:00 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Sun Dec 6 18:12:51 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:12:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It?s on the BBC News website, Dave. I didn?t know Teletext still existed! Mike G > On 7 Dec 2020, at 00:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Sun Dec 6 18:29:03 2020 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:29:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I thought the BBC withdrew the Red button teletext service earlier this year. It's certainly on the News app. BBC News - Peter Alliss: Legendary BBC golf commentator dies at 89 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/55204070 On Mon, 7 Dec 2020, 00:00 dave.mdv via Tech1, wrote: > I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports > commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the > BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for > an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches > over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! > He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports > commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 6 18:46:38 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:46:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Ceefax Message-ID: <0b304cdb-1814-8322-13b1-f0d8773ad5f7@btinternet.com> Yes, digital teletext was due to be culled earlier this year but due to Covid it it had a stay of execution as so many of us older peeps use it! It's the quickest way to get your news and sports results which so many people rely on, so long may it continue! Cheers, Dave From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Sun Dec 6 18:52:35 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 00:52:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Santa's downfall! Message-ID: A typical sick American video! Cheers, Me -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Santa's fate.mp4 Type: video/mp4 Size: 5527719 bytes Desc: not available URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Dec 7 04:06:51 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:06:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8BCF1B10-18AF-4FD4-9663-3A300FDFC334@btinternet.com> When we did TransWorld Golf on film Peter was a joy to work with, him and Henry Longhurst were very able commentaters, on the hoof from hole to hole in all winds and weathers. Both were erudite and pithy, sort of golfing John Arlotts. Once when recording them at a hole and walking backward ,I managed to knock Arnie Palmers ball out of play. Arnie didn?t mind, the authorities were fussing, the umpire replaced the ball , the John Arlotts looked quizzically at me? I thought Phil Pilley the producer would sack me , he didn?t. > On 7 Dec 2020, at 00:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 04:15:33 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:15:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: <8BCF1B10-18AF-4FD4-9663-3A300FDFC334@btinternet.com> References: <8BCF1B10-18AF-4FD4-9663-3A300FDFC334@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Golf on film must have used up a lot of 16mm negative B On 07/12/2020 10:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > When we did TransWorld Golf on film Peter was a joy to work with, him and Henry Longhurst were very able commentaters, on the hoof from hole to hole in all winds and weathers. > Both were erudite and pithy, sort of golfing John Arlotts. > Once when recording them at a hole and walking backward ,I managed to knock Arnie Palmers ball out of play. > Arnie didn?t mind, the authorities were fussing, the umpire replaced the ball , the John Arlotts looked quizzically at me? > I thought Phil Pilley the producer would sack me , he didn?t. > >> On 7 Dec 2020, at 00:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Dec 7 04:32:44 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:32:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: References: <8BCF1B10-18AF-4FD4-9663-3A300FDFC334@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Yes We had 10 or 12 cameras and a high speed LoCam Plus a fleet of mini mokes for transport and tea and buns. Many of the cameramen were Aussies over for Holiday Relief in the UK, they came from ch7 and 9 in Oz Quite a few stayed on. I really enjoyed it, I was fresh from subterranean Bush House, it was a new world. > On 7 Dec 2020, at 10:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Golf on film must have used up a lot of 16mm negative > > B > > > > On 07/12/2020 10:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> When we did TransWorld Golf on film Peter was a joy to work with, him and Henry Longhurst were very able commentaters, on the hoof from hole to hole in all winds and weathers. >> Both were erudite and pithy, sort of golfing John Arlotts. >> Once when recording them at a hole and walking backward ,I managed to knock Arnie Palmers ball out of play. >> Arnie didn?t mind, the authorities were fussing, the umpire replaced the ball , the John Arlotts looked quizzically at me? >> I thought Phil Pilley the producer would sack me , he didn?t. >> >>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 00:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Dec 7 04:35:15 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 10:35:15 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <629002957.147203.1607337315300@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Dec 7 05:08:42 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 11:08:42 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Peter Alliss In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58db1694a3davesound@btinternet.com> In article , dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports > commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the > BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for > an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches > over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! > He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports > commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave Quite a chunk on BBC1 news about him last night. And a very nice piece on Today, R4, this morning. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Mon Dec 7 05:41:11 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 11:41:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 2020 fashion statement Message-ID: Went in the bank today like this. They didn't call the cops. I guess a year ago they would have!John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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B On 07/12/2020 10:32, Roger E Long wrote: > Yes > We had 10 or 12 cameras and a high speed LoCam > Plus a fleet of mini mokes for transport and tea and buns. > Many of the cameramen were Aussies over for Holiday Relief in the UK, > they came from ch7 and 9 in Oz > Quite a few stayed on. > I really enjoyed it, I was fresh from subterranean Bush House, it was > a new world. > >> On 7 Dec 2020, at 10:15, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Golf on film must have used up a lot of 16mm negative >> >> B >> >> >> >> On 07/12/2020 10:06, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> When we did TransWorld Golf on film Peter was a joy to work with, him and Henry Longhurst were very able commentaters, on the hoof from hole to hole in all winds and weathers. >>> Both were erudite and pithy, sort of golfing John Arlotts. >>> Once when recording them at a hole and walking backward ,I managed to knock Arnie Palmers ball out of play. >>> Arnie didn?t mind, the authorities were fussing, the umpire replaced the ball , the John Arlotts looked quizzically at me? >>> I thought Phil Pilley the producer would sack me , he didn?t. >>> >>>> On 7 Dec 2020, at 00:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> I am very sad to learn about the death of one of the nicest sports commentators I have worked with, but can I find any mention of it on the BBC teletext service, NO! I have been to his house near Sunningdale for an interview he did with Sevvy Ballesteros, and very many golf matches over the years and never heard a bad word about him. Shame on you BBC! He will be a great loss to the world of un-hyped, un-Sky-like, sports commentating. RIP. Not-cheers, Dave >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Dec 7 10:13:38 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 16:13:38 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Another scam? Message-ID: <58db327fe1davesound@btinternet.com> Got this post from 'RM' asking for duty to be paid. Thought this part of the text might amuse:- "We thank you for recording it and wish you continued convenient sending with a waybill online. Best regards " -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Mon Dec 7 13:40:21 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 19:40:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Another scam? In-Reply-To: <58db327fe1davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58db327fe1davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I found that my MSN email account was becoming so overwhelmed with spam and junk-mail, that in one of my misguided moments of lateral thinking, I decided to use MSN for all tech1 stuff. The solution has been to send all tech1 to junk and ignore the inbox - that way I only ever look at junk! (Only kidding!) Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 7 Dec 2020, at 16:19, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Got this post from 'RM' asking for duty to be paid. Thought this part of > the text might amuse:- > > "We thank you for recording it and wish you continued convenient sending > with a waybill online. > Best regards " > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 14:05:29 2020 From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 20:05:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece Message-ID: Dear All, Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece?? My sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the Licence Fee, then fine. Best wishes, Mike Minchin From alanaudio at me.com Mon Dec 7 14:33:37 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 20:33:37 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3@me.com> I would imagine that the solution is to run a VPN. It?s not something I have any experience of just yet, but it?s something which I am currently investigating for almost identical reasons to yours, but the other way round. My wife would like to watch German TV stations in the UK, but most German stations block access from IP addresses outside of Germany. Alan Taylor > On 7 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Mike via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Dear All, > > Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece? My sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the Licence Fee, then fine. > > Best wishes, Mike Minchin > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Dec 7 14:42:55 2020 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 20:42:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece Message-ID: If she has a reasonable internet speed, i.player can be watched via a vpn. You then appear to be in the UK. Have a look here. https://www.comparitech.com/blog/vpn-privacy/best-bbc-iplayer-vpn/ The beeb makes attempts to block this, so there is the occasional problem, but a good provider should be able to keep one jump ahead. Not exactly legal, but widely used. It also believe there are some UK channels on one of the Astra satellite wide beam transponders. Not BBC however. These should not need an oversize dish. A local installer should know. Doug On 7 December 2020, at 20:05, Mike via Tech1 wrote: Dear All, Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece?? My sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the Licence Fee, then fine. Best wishes, Mike Minchin -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 14:45:45 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 20:45:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04ba3e62-59ff-d0cb-fe31-783058db3ad9@ntlworld.com> As Alan says, you can use a VPN.? Another way is to download and use the Tor browser - https://www.torproject.org/download/ . Then you set the exit node to the UK. It's free, but there are various ramifications on it's use - I only use it for short "excursions" to the US, if something is blocked here. B On 07/12/2020 20:05, Mike wrote: > Dear All, > > Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece?? My > sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek > Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the > Licence Fee, then fine. > > Best wishes, Mike Minchin > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Mon Dec 7 14:46:02 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 20:46:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <483fbb39-699b-d9f3-e369-dcac596bd1cc@gmail.com> As Alan says, you can use a VPN.? Another way is to download and use the Tor browser - https://www.torproject.org/download/ . Then you set the exit node to the UK. It's free, but there are various ramifications on it's use - I only use it for short "excursions" to the US, if something is blocked here. B On 07/12/2020 20:05, Mike wrote: > Dear All, > > Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece?? My > sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek > Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the > Licence Fee, then fine. > > Best wishes, Mike Minchin > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug at puddifoot.me Mon Dec 7 14:54:10 2020 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2020 20:54:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece Message-ID: We like to watch F1. German tv is the only country which still provides it live free to air. We have a cheap satellite receiver and a standard dish pointed at Astra 1 at 19.1 E. We get most of the main German channels. Have a look here. https://www.smartaerials.co.uk/blog/satellite-tv-from-germany-in-uk A non Freesat receiver would be easier to tune. Doug On 7 December 2020, at 20:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: I would imagine that the solution is to run a VPN. It?s not something I have any experience of just yet, but it?s something which I am currently investigating for almost identical reasons to yours, but the other way round. My wife would like to watch German TV stations in the UK, but most German stations block access from IP addresses outside of Germany. Alan Taylor > On 7 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Mike via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Dear All, > > Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece? My sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the Licence Fee, then fine. > > Best wishes, Mike Minchin > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mibridge at mac.com Mon Dec 7 16:46:09 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 22:46:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Christmas Crackers Message-ID: <0C3678A6-439D-4A13-A3D9-285D80AE7B44@mac.com> Here?s one for the non-existent Christmas party, but I suppose Zoom would do. So the Donald was walking along a Washington street with a security guard, when a gunman rushed out of a shop, threatening the president. His security man shouted ?Mickey Mouse!? at the top of his voice, which so confused the gunman that he was quickly overpowered and carted off. The President thanked his security man profusely for acting so quickly, but asked ?Why on earth did you shout Mickey Mouse??. ?That was a mistake? came the reply - ?I meant to shout Donald - duck!? Mike G From mibridge at mac.com Mon Dec 7 17:00:11 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2020 23:00:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3@me.com> References: <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3@me.com> Message-ID: <3AF57CEF-3F04-4C34-A850-9506757697E0@mac.com> We were certainly able to watch an ITV series that we wanted to keep up with on the phone in the Canaries by using VPN. I?ve forgotten the details, but I?m pretty sure you can opt to go through a server in the UK. Mike G > On 7 Dec 2020, at 20:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I would imagine that the solution is to run a VPN. > > It?s not something I have any experience of just yet, but it?s something which I am currently investigating for almost identical reasons to yours, but the other way round. My wife would like to watch German TV stations in the UK, but most German stations block access from IP addresses outside of Germany. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 7 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Mike via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Dear All, >> >> Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece? My sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the Licence Fee, then fine. >> >> Best wishes, Mike Minchin >> >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Dec 7 18:35:57 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2020 00:35:57 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3@me.com> References: <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3@me.com> Message-ID: <58db607b9fdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3 at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > It?s not something I have any experience of just yet, but it?s something > which I am currently investigating for almost identical reasons to > yours, but the other way round. My wife would like to watch German TV > stations in the UK, but most German stations block access from IP > addresses outside of Germany. I have a large (1 metre) satellite dish on a rotator, and gets loads of German progs. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From mikej at bmanor.co.uk Tue Dec 8 02:11:19 2020 From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 08:11:19 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: <58db607b9fdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3@me.com> <58db607b9fdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I put a 1.2m in my garden (steerable) in very early days but now finally gone and the steel mounting pole is now an "Ivy tree" I think the one time it was used in real Tx anger was when OBs took their 3m somewhere in Europe for a political thing and Mr Cobb rang me at home to say BT could not receive him (when they downlinked in Isle of Dogs) but I did it OK and so he said to them "It is OK in a back garden in Ealing" and they sorted it. Now I just keep to regular TV stuff with a 60cm for SKYetc (less chance of a fade c/w their supplied little ones) and another for European stuff but never watch any of those really. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 12:35 AM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In article <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3 at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > It?s not something I have any experience of just yet, but it?s something > which I am currently investigating for almost identical reasons to > yours, but the other way round. My wife would like to watch German TV > stations in the UK, but most German stations block access from IP > addresses outside of Germany. I have a large (1 metre) satellite dish on a rotator, and gets loads of German progs. -- Dave Plowman -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 8 Dec 2020, at 08:11, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I put a 1.2m in my garden (steerable) in very early days but now finally gone and the steel mounting pole is now an "Ivy tree" > I think the one time it was used in real Tx anger was when OBs took their 3m somewhere in Europe for a political thing and Mr Cobb rang me at home to say BT could not receive him (when they downlinked in Isle of Dogs) but I did it OK and so he said to them "It is OK in a back garden in Ealing" and they sorted it. > Now I just keep to regular TV stuff with a 60cm for SKYetc (less chance of a fade c/w their supplied little ones) and another for European stuff but never watch any of those really. > > Mike > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 12:35 AM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece > > In article <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3 at me.com>, > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> It?s not something I have any experience of just yet, but it?s something >> which I am currently investigating for almost identical reasons to >> yours, but the other way round. My wife would like to watch German TV >> stations in the UK, but most German stations block access from IP >> addresses outside of Germany. > > I have a large (1 metre) satellite dish on a rotator, and gets loads of > German progs. > > -- > Dave Plowman > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From nick at nickway.co.uk Tue Dec 8 02:27:22 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 08:27:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] [SPAM?] Re: Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <420614783.239735.1607416042705@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Dec 8 03:28:42 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:28:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: <8008B669-7DC4-4349-A9EE-AD5D1976A7C1@me.com> References: <8008B669-7DC4-4349-A9EE-AD5D1976A7C1@me.com> Message-ID: <59DFF5DE-61DF-4D2F-84F1-632BCA8AE5A4@me.com> Yes, for many users that?s the point of a VPN, to pretend you?re based somewhere else. For some people the justification is innocent, but for others it?s so that they can try to circumvent state censorship or monitoring. Thanks for all the suggestions about satellite reception from Germany. That was our first thought but there are a few problems achieving it where we live. Our dish must not be visible from the road and the place where the existing dish is fitted is difficult to access without specialist equipment. Running an extra feeder would be difficult without it looking unsightly. That?s why on-line viewing would be an attractive alternative. We already do that with online radio reception, but TV stations have geographic restrictions. Alan Taylor > On 8 Dec 2020, at 08:18, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?If you use a VPN, does that confuse the system and make it think you're somewhere else? > > Alasdair Lawrance > From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 03:33:12 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 09:33:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: <8008B669-7DC4-4349-A9EE-AD5D1976A7C1@me.com> References: <8008B669-7DC4-4349-A9EE-AD5D1976A7C1@me.com> Message-ID: I'd use the word *mislead*, rather than "confuse". I use the free version of Touch VPN that I downloaded. I had almost given up on free VPNs because they generally provided a slow connection. But I found VPN works well and I often forget that it is on (until the BBC refuse me a connection because they think I am overseas). As you can see, the version of Touch VPN that I use does provide a German "disguise", and the UK link should work for people in Greece. [image: Touch VPN choices..png] KW On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 08:18, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > If you use a VPN, does that confuse the system and make it think you're > somewhere else? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 8 Dec 2020, at 08:11, Mike Jordan via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?I put a 1.2m in my garden (steerable) in very early days but now > finally gone and the steel mounting pole is now an "Ivy tree" > > I think the one time it was used in real Tx anger was when OBs took > their 3m somewhere in Europe for a political thing and Mr Cobb rang me at > home to say BT could not receive him (when they downlinked in Isle of Dogs) > but I did it OK and so he said to them "It is OK in a back garden in > Ealing" and they sorted it. > > Now I just keep to regular TV stuff with a 60cm for SKYetc (less chance > of a fade c/w their supplied little ones) and another for European stuff > but never watch any of those really. > > > > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2020 12:35 AM > > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece > > > > In article <921FF745-EE86-4533-B61E-62A59C733FC3 at me.com>, > > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > >> It?s not something I have any experience of just yet, but it?s something > >> which I am currently investigating for almost identical reasons to > >> yours, but the other way round. My wife would like to watch German TV > >> stations in the UK, but most German stations block access from IP > >> addresses outside of Germany. > > > > I have a large (1 metre) satellite dish on a rotator, and gets loads of > > German progs. > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 From nick at nickway.co.uk Tue Dec 8 06:00:17 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 12:00:17 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Blank and unused DAT tapes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <129222425.252510.1607428817556@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk Tue Dec 8 07:56:38 2020 From: david at davidtaylorsound.co.uk (David Taylor) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 13:56:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Blank and unused DAT tapes In-Reply-To: <129222425.252510.1607428817556@email.ionos.co.uk> References: <129222425.252510.1607428817556@email.ionos.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi guys, Regarding the 'old DAT's': I recently wanted to transfer to my PC, a number of recordings that I had been storing on DAT's, from back in the mid '80's.They had, as far as i remember, been well stored but not played since they were recorded. Not having a DAT machine anymore, and being concerned about any problems that playing the DAT's after such a longtime might reveal, I sent them off to Graham Joiner, who runs a company called 'Audio Restored'. Graham returned this email on first inspection of one: "During my initial check of the Requiem DAT, it was clear that there were a few white specs on the reel at the very beginning of the tape close to the clear leader tape. I teased the tape apart with my fine brush and noticed a tear start to develop. As you can see from the attached photo, a sliver of tape came off but luckily is too near the start to be a problem. However, since this is unlikely to be the only place where a tear could initiate, I propose to manually unravel the tape tomorrow to ensure there are no more catches." [image: DAT -damaged.jpg] Graham recovered the complete DAT but it is noticeable that there are places where the error correction can't cope and those little 'digital spits' still occur. I was glad I hadn't tried to just play it without Graham's careful inspection. DAT's don't appear to suffer from the tape shedding problem that is rife in analogue tapes, particularly the 'polysester based' Ampex tapes and Keith Warren, in New Zealand, sent me a 3 hour recording from 1988 that he'd saved in Sony PCM-F1 format, which he transferred to his PC a few years ago. That Sony Betamax recording was perfect, with no error correction problems. David Taylor On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 12:00, Nick Way via Tech1 wrote: > Hi Nick, > > I may have a few too! As you have a player, I might see about transferring > some of my recordings sometime if you are willing. > > Dress rehearsal of Christmas TOTP has Take That singing "Blobby" at the > end of their song when we wound in the pitch change for a laff. Blobby beat > them that year. Just as well Gary Clarke suggested to Stan Appel that we > should record an alternative link "...and here at number two is Take That"! > > Best wishes, > > The other Nick W. > > On 08/12/2020 11:29 Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > > Probably unlikely, but I wondered if anyone has a use for 16 blank, mostly > never used, DAT tapes. Various lengths 60min, 90min and 125min duration. I > may find more. > All free to good home for just the cost of postage. > If not you, maybe you know someone? Shame to send to landfill. > Some could be at least 20 years old, but they and others I have seem to > run perfectly OK in my PCM2000. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Answers in a form comprehensible to one of your least > technical colleagues. > > > luv, Rog. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Tue Dec 8 08:00:39 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:00:39 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Da Vinci Resolve Message-ID: <5A96A789B56545008CF5150D8D463CB2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> I notice from time to time the interest being expressed in this topic. I had an email today at 12.01 detailing a masterclass on Wex Photovideo which was scheduled for 12.30 ? 1.30 ? pretty short notice. I wonder if there might be any later access to the content for anyone out there who might find it helpful? Probably too late but here?s the link: https://events.wexphotovideo.com/online-masterclass-asus-davinci-resolve-with-darren-mostyn-online-8-december-2020?utm_campaign=735038_wex2213%20-%20Asus&utm_medium=email&utm_source=dotmailer&e=email&sub=224417&sku=&dtm_email_hash=7d64d1fe3706092b510c7a4850e55d5b&dtmc_drop_id=735038_wex2213%20-%20Asus&dtm_user_id=224417&dm_i=4UQ5,FR5Q,13WGHO,1V32Q,1 Dave Newbitt. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Dec 8 08:04:50 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:04:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technical Stuff In-Reply-To: References: <51ac1192.893.17642a446be.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <01DD68EF-2976-447A-980F-3D5853CD7A73@icloud.com> IIRC from Studio G downstairs, programmes were made in 625 and converted eleswhere, certainly when doing TOTP live the network monitor had to be switched to 405 to see the live programme. ? Graeme Wall > On 8 Dec 2020, at 14:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > EMI 203s > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 13:57 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, wrote: > Question for the more technically and historically minded amongst us. (I suspect this may include Bill Jenkin!) > > > > What cameras did they have in Studio D, Lime Grove, December 1967 to February 1968 (or thenabouts)? - and, since both 405-line and 625-line programmes were being made, presumably the same cameras could be switched between standards? Answers in a form comprehensible to one of your least technical colleagues. > > > > luv, Rog. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From billjenkin67 at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 08:13:16 2020 From: billjenkin67 at gmail.com (Bill Jenkin) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 14:13:16 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technical Stuff In-Reply-To: References: <51ac1192.893.17642a446be.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <002e01d6cd6c$4670adc0$d3520940$@gmail.com> Bernie got in first, EMI203s. aka (probably only by me) ?The green EMI?. They could be switched between line standards. They replaced CPS Emitrons, which went in 1965. I?m not sure when D was ?colourised?. When I first joined the beeb my hearing was good enough to know which line standard a studio was on by the line whistle you could hear when you walked in the studio. Alas those days are long gone. Bill From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 08 December 2020 14:00 To: ROGER BUNCE Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technical Stuff EMI 203s On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 13:57 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, wrote: Question for the more technically and historically minded amongst us. (I suspect this may include Bill Jenkin!) What cameras did they have in Studio D, Lime Grove, December 1967 to February 1968 (or thenabouts)? - and, since both 405-line and 625-line programmes were being made, presumably the same cameras could be switched between standards? Answers in a form comprehensible to one of your least technical colleagues. luv, Rog. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 09:03:54 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 15:03:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technical Stuff In-Reply-To: <01DD68EF-2976-447A-980F-3D5853CD7A73@icloud.com> References: <51ac1192.893.17642a446be.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> <01DD68EF-2976-447A-980F-3D5853CD7A73@icloud.com> Message-ID: I remember when I arrived in 1966 you could tell which channel the programme would be on by the monitor line whistle in the studio. We thought it odd that a sound supervisor couldnt hear 16kHz B On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 14:04 Graeme Wall, wrote: > IIRC from Studio G downstairs, programmes were made in 625 and converted > eleswhere, certainly when doing TOTP live the network monitor had to be > switched to 405 to see the live programme. > > ? > Graeme Wall > > > > On 8 Dec 2020, at 14:00, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > EMI 203s > > > > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 13:57 ROGER BUNCE via Tech1, > wrote: > > Question for the more technically and historically minded amongst us. (I > suspect this may include Bill Jenkin!) > > > > > > > > What cameras did they have in Studio D, Lime Grove, December 1967 to > February 1968 (or thenabouts)? - and, since both 405-line and 625-line > programmes were being made, presumably the same cameras could be switched > between standards? Answers in a form comprehensible to one of your least > technical colleagues. > > > > > > > > luv, Rog. > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 09:07:10 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 15:07:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Da Vinci Resolve In-Reply-To: <5A96A789B56545008CF5150D8D463CB2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <5A96A789B56545008CF5150D8D463CB2@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: I can do a slightly less than masterclass on editing (rather than colouring) with DVR as I teach it all the time, on Zoom currently. B On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 14:01 David Newbitt via Tech1, wrote: > I notice from time to time the interest being expressed in this topic. I > had an email today at 12.01 detailing a masterclass on Wex Photovideo which > was scheduled for 12.30 ? 1.30 ? pretty short notice. I wonder if there > might be any later access to the content for anyone out there who might > find it helpful? > > Probably too late but here?s the link: > > > https://events.wexphotovideo.com/online-masterclass-asus-davinci-resolve-with-darren-mostyn-online-8-december-2020?utm_campaign=735038_wex2213%20-%20Asus&utm_medium=email&utm_source=dotmailer&e=email&sub=224417&sku=&dtm_email_hash=7d64d1fe3706092b510c7a4850e55d5b&dtmc_drop_id=735038_wex2213%20-%20Asus&dtm_user_id=224417&dm_i=4UQ5,FR5Q,13WGHO,1V32Q,1 > > Dave Newbitt. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Dec 8 09:22:21 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2020 15:22:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Technical Stuff In-Reply-To: <51ac1192.893.17642a446be.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> References: <51ac1192.893.17642a446be.Webtop.94@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58dbb1a3b2davesound@btinternet.com> In article <51ac1192.893.17642a446be.Webtop.94 at btinternet.com>, ROGER BUNCE via Tech1 wrote: > Question for the more technically and historically minded amongst us. (I > suspect this may include Bill Jenkin!) > What cameras did they have in Studio D, Lime Grove, December 1967 to > February 1968 (or thenabouts)? - and, since both 405-line and 625-line > programmes were being made, presumably the same cameras could be > switched between standards? Answers in a form comprehensible to one of > your least technical colleagues. > luv, Rog. As a mere sound person, I remember all the LG studios having the light green EMIs, same looking as TC4&5. When they were refurbished for 625 working. The camera colour scheme matched the EMI sound desks. ;-) Missed the old Emitrons peeling off on Cliff Michelmore's forehead. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Tue Dec 8 10:01:25 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 16:01:25 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technical Stuff In-Reply-To: <58dbb1a3b2davesound@btinternet.com> References: <51ac1192.893.17642a446be.Webtop.94@btinternet.com>, <58dbb1a3b2davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I think that?s the only colour paint EMI had! It was everywhere at Hayes and Abbey Road. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > As a mere sound person, I remember all the LG studios having the light > green EMIs, same looking as TC4&5. When they were refurbished for 625 > working. The camera colour scheme matched the EMI sound desks. ;-) > Missed the old Emitrons peeling off on Cliff Michelmore's forehead. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Dec 8 14:27:16 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:27:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A big thank you. Message-ID: <16ddaacf-8388-9cca-0f86-4a1a3ee45cc8@gmail.com> For the last six years Alec Bray has been taking our meanderings on this list and turning it into proper written history on the website.? I know that he has put huge effort into what he has been doing, and adding lots to the chronicling of BBC history, with national politics and heads of department taking a mostly back seat to what actually happened day to day amongst those who made programmes. It's a marked contrast to those unreadable official histories, and we have Alec (and you) to thank.? A big round of applause for Alec, as he retires from the job. 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I know that he has put huge effort into what he has been doing, and adding lots to the chronicling of BBC history, with national politics and heads of department taking a mostly back seat to what actually happened day to day amongst those who made programmes. It's a marked contrast to those unreadable official histories, and we have Alec (and you) to thank. A big round of applause for Alec, as he retires from the job. As Alec says - maybe someone else could take over. The offer is there. Thank you Alec B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Tue Dec 8 15:25:10 2020 From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray) Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2020 21:25:10 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Their is no legal way. You can not buy a UK licence for outside the UK use, because the rights are not bought by the broadcasters to cover non uk use (Films & Sport especially). VPN's get you around the broadcasters checks you are in the UK, but its not legal as you are lying! As the Iplayer TV Licence checks are tightened up (I suspect you will need to input a valid licence number eventually) this will lead to them being able to see the licence is not valid for the (server farm) you are using to claim you are in the UK..... (And who's licence number you are quoting.) Paul On 07/12/2020 20:05, Mike via Tech1 wrote: > Dear All, > > Does anyone know of a legal way of watching i>player in Greece?? My > sister who lives in Athens is fed up with the "quality" of Greek > Television, and would love to watch the BBC. If it involved paying the > Licence Fee, then fine. > > Best wishes, Mike Minchin > > > -- Paul Thackray PGT Media Consulting Ltd. +44 7802 243979 Mail; paul at pgtmedia.co.uk Web; http://www.pgtmedia.co.uk Linkedin; http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/paul-thackray/19/379/746 IMDB; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1488554/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Dec 8 18:42:39 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2020 00:42:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58dbe4efc2davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: > Their is no legal way. You can not buy a UK licence for outside the UK > use, because the rights are not bought by the broadcasters to cover non > uk use (Films & Sport especially). With FTA satellite stuff, it is beamed to the country it is intended for. But with a larger dish, you can often get decent results from the 'spill' -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 11:26:55 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 17:26:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Surplus tech Message-ID: <611d8315-972e-df3c-33a4-ea6a22708718@gmail.com> Does anyone have a use for a Mercusys Halo S3 node? When I upgraded to mesh wifi I bought a three pack, then found that I needed a fourth (strange shaped house). I bought more but you can only buy a two pack as minimum. So I have a spare..... B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Dec 9 12:56:41 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 18:56:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A big thank you. In-Reply-To: <7E08DABDC55347DBBE5C1D1323918FD9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <16ddaacf-8388-9cca-0f86-4a1a3ee45cc8@gmail.com> <7E08DABDC55347DBBE5C1D1323918FD9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <8d186fa3-78e5-4cb6-336f-6bc21a0038b5@btinternet.com> Agreed! A fantastic 'Tour-de-Force' to collate all our ramblings, well done, and have a nice rest! Cheers, Dave On 08/12/2020 20:37, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > Amen to that ? deserves a round of applause, a gong and hats in the air! > Dave Newbitt. > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:27 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] A big thank you. > For the last six years Alec Bray has been taking our meanderings on > this list and turning it into proper written history on the website.? > I know that he has put huge effort into what he has been doing, and > adding lots to the chronicling of BBC history, with national politics > and heads of department taking a mostly back seat to what actually > happened day to day amongst those who made programmes. It's a marked > contrast to those unreadable official histories, and we have Alec (and > you) to thank.? A big round of applause for Alec, as he retires from > the job. > > As Alec says - maybe someone else could take over. The offer is there. > > Thank you Alec > > B > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Wed Dec 9 13:40:00 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2020 19:40:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Watching i>Player in Greece In-Reply-To: <58dbe4efc2davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58dbe4efc2davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <706C04BB-9D9E-41E2-8583-64A0F828F890@gmail.com> Interesting discussion on availability or not of UK tv in foreign countries and theirs in the UK. What?s the position of BBC World News, can anyone overseas receive that assuming they have the facilities to do so? Geoff > On 9 Dec 2020, at 00:51, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article , > Paul Thackray via Tech1 wrote: >> Their is no legal way. You can not buy a UK licence for outside the UK >> use, because the rights are not bought by the broadcasters to cover non >> uk use (Films & Sport especially). > > With FTA satellite stuff, it is beamed to the country it is intended for. > But with a larger dish, you can often get decent results from the 'spill' > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Thu Dec 10 04:15:15 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 10:15:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience Message-ID: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> Today is the day my wife returned to work after having been tested positive for Covid just over five weeks ago. She works in the local hospital, dealing with Covid patients, so there can be little doubt where she became infected. The hospital trust she works for is unusual in that as part of an ongoing research project, it offers routine PCR testing to all staff, whether displaying symptoms or not. She has had twelve tests so far, the previous eleven were all negative and at no time before the test or afterwards did she show the classic symptoms and had no reason to suspect that she might be positive. Even with hindsight, she couldn?t point to any signs of it. Obviously she self isolated very conscientiously and I did too. At no time have I shown any symptoms of it. Observing how she has been dealt with by the system has been rather alarming. The call from the contact tracing team was farcical. Somebody with negligible medical knowledge was reading from a script and it worked like one of those BBC promotion boards where you are asked a question and they let you talk until they hear the key word they are hoping for before abruptly moving on to an entirely different topic. I don?t qualify for a test unless I actually display symptoms, but the required symptoms are such that if I had them, it?s obvious that I really have Covid. At a time when politicians are claiming that vast numbers of tests are being conducted, it seems bizarre that the spouse of a positive case isn?t immediately tested. No wonder there is so much asymptomatic spread. I find myself wondering just who is being tested? Contact tracing for me was non-existent because I wasn?t known to be positive. I received an email telling me to self isolate and a couple of follow up emails. There was no requirement or obvious way to reply, no phone calls and no checks. Isolation happened a few days before we were going to do our ?big shop? for the month, so stocks were low. We were offered priority status to get supermarket food delivery, but gave up on that after having failed to get through to anybody due to the lines being too busy. Fortunately family and neighbours supplied the few perishable things we needed. Janet wasn?t the only member of staff in her ward to be found positive that week. There were a number of others, all asymptomatic. Her ward deals with the most contagious cases and they were very proud of the fact that during the springtime phase of the epidemic, no staff in that ward became positive, while other wards experienced 100% of staff becoming infected. However during the summer, when there were fewer Covid cases, national PPE guidelines were revised ( downwards yet again ) and there were reductions in the isolation procedures for staff changing into and out of PPE when dealing with Covid patients in order to make more space available for other patients. I don?t want to go into too much detail here for confidentiality reasons, but you can draw your own conclusions about why staff might now be getting infected. As for her treatment after testing positive, there hasn?t been any. The only symptoms she has had was shortness of breath and now seems to experienced a diminished sense of taste. Just walking up the gentle gradient in our village meant that she needed to stop to catch her breath after 400 metres. We walked up Ben Nevis a couple of years ago and regularly take long walks locally, so this was a drastic change. She knows that such patients are encouraged to walk more and more. She?s now good for walking for a few miles around the local area. Not quite as before, but much better than three weeks ago. She falls through the cracks in the system. Our GP doesn?t want to see her because of her Covid status, but she wasn?t poorly enough to need hospital treatment. Fortunately she knows how to deal with it and no prescription medicine was needed. Seeing all this from so close has taught me a number of things. First of all, Covid precautions need to be taken very seriously. Janet had a very mild case, but it was still very scary and we don?t yet know if there will be any long term effects. We are both people who are generally healthy and neither of us has much of a track record for being off sick. Other people might have been affected much more. The contact tracing was so superficial that it?s a joke. We have followed good Covid security since March and I?ve been sheltering. We wore masks long before they were recommended, no house guests, no restaurant visits, no days out, no passengers in the car, very brief and efficient supermarket visits, negligible other shopping and all shopping is disinfected when we get it home. We haven?t seen my children, grandchildren or great grandchildren for nearly a year now. We can be pretty certain that nobody has been put at risk by us, but other people who might have been contact traced in the same superficial manner might have failed to declare any number of possible contacts if that?s how contact tracing is done. In the hospital, what was initially taught as best practice for PPE and methods while staff were being trained in anticipation of Covid cases first appearing bears no resemblance to current government guidelines for PPE. The mantra seems to be that PPE is a precious resource which needs to be conserved, while we also read headlines saying that the docks are blocked by tens of thousands of containers of PPE which have been stuck there since the summer. The WHO has said for months that widespread testing is the key to dealing with it. If we only test people if they have symptoms, then asymptomatic spread is inevitable. Trials of fast Lateral Flow Tests in her hospital have not been encouraging after they were issued to staff. Staff there already have access to PCR tests every 14 days, so it?s easy to compare the results of the two methods of testing. The hospital staff are familiar with how nasal swabs need to be taken ( it?s very uncomfortable ), so their self administered tests should be more reliable than tests done by the general public. If the government have similar data, I would be shocked if they encouraged widespread self-administered Lateral Flow Tests. We need reliable tests in huge numbers. Unreliable tests would be a recipe for disaster. Covid can be contained and dealt with, but we have a population with a significant proportion of people too stupid to follow basic social distancing guidelines and a authorities too timid and too stupid to put into place the laws and measures needed to effectively deal with it. Vague guidelines and making stuff up on the hoof just won?t do. I despair of our approach to lockdowns, too reluctant to implement, too limited, and lifted far too early. Many of us will have had a car with a dodgy battery which usually starts, but doesn?t turn over one cold morning. We know that if we wait, it should recover enough to start and we can be on our way, but if we keep trying, the battery will never recover. We seem to be in the same position with Covid. Alan Taylor From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Dec 10 05:08:48 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:08:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fake message from DPD Message-ID: <5fd201c0.1c69fb81.51b3.587d@mx.google.com> Sorry Dave, your name pops up when I try to type in tech-ops! (Could anyone let me know if received at tech-ops). The mail programme in Windows 10 is b***** useless! I, too got a message purporting to be from DPD, and like others I was expecting a delivery (from RNLI Shop). Various aspects smelt a rat: ? Stupid spelling in subject field ? It was sent to my other address ? not the one I used for RNLI ? Don?t think RNLI use DPD ? Hovering over the sender, revealed source to be Belgium ? DPD is French! ? Hovering over the link, without opening, reveals a ref to www.rga.ae which is a property development company in Dubai. ? Talk of re-delivery charges indicates an attempt to gain your bank details. ? Typing in the supposed parcel number to DPD?s pukka tracking page was not recognised. In the 007 Goldeneye, the nerdy Russian computer geek could send a reverse spike to screw up the oppositions? computer ? wish that were a real possibility! Take care Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 05:30:00 2020 From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 11:30:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> Message-ID: <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> Thanks for that Alan.? We have been isolating (less rigorously) since March; I have had /very/ slight symptoms which I wonder are psychosomatic.? We have just participated in a survey (for University College, London - "Virus Watch") where they took blood for testing whether we had antibodies.? No results yet. Margot has said it more forceably than me, but how can you depend on a test & trace system that requires everyone to have a high-tech mobile phone?? We don't.? My daughter, Jo, who works for the NHS, has been isolating with her youngest in the wilds of Lincolnshire, because she was deemed to be in danger of becoming a super-carrier, driving, as she used to, all over the place (including to London). Mike Minchin On 10/12/2020 10:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Today is the day my wife returned to work after having been tested positive for Covid just over five weeks ago. She works in the local hospital, dealing with Covid patients, so there can be little doubt where she became infected. > > The hospital trust she works for is unusual in that as part of an ongoing research project, it offers routine PCR testing to all staff, whether displaying symptoms or not. She has had twelve tests so far, the previous eleven were all negative and at no time before the test or afterwards did she show the classic symptoms and had no reason to suspect that she might be positive. Even with hindsight, she couldn?t point to any signs of it. Obviously she self isolated very conscientiously and I did too. At no time have I shown any symptoms of it. > > Observing how she has been dealt with by the system has been rather alarming. The call from the contact tracing team was farcical. Somebody with negligible medical knowledge was reading from a script and it worked like one of those BBC promotion boards where you are asked a question and they let you talk until they hear the key word they are hoping for before abruptly moving on to an entirely different topic. I don?t qualify for a test unless I actually display symptoms, but the required symptoms are such that if I had them, it?s obvious that I really have Covid. At a time when politicians are claiming that vast numbers of tests are being conducted, it seems bizarre that the spouse of a positive case isn?t immediately tested. No wonder there is so much asymptomatic spread. I find myself wondering just who is being tested? > > Contact tracing for me was non-existent because I wasn?t known to be positive. I received an email telling me to self isolate and a couple of follow up emails. There was no requirement or obvious way to reply, no phone calls and no checks. Isolation happened a few days before we were going to do our ?big shop? for the month, so stocks were low. We were offered priority status to get supermarket food delivery, but gave up on that after having failed to get through to anybody due to the lines being too busy. Fortunately family and neighbours supplied the few perishable things we needed. > > Janet wasn?t the only member of staff in her ward to be found positive that week. There were a number of others, all asymptomatic. Her ward deals with the most contagious cases and they were very proud of the fact that during the springtime phase of the epidemic, no staff in that ward became positive, while other wards experienced 100% of staff becoming infected. However during the summer, when there were fewer Covid cases, national PPE guidelines were revised ( downwards yet again ) and there were reductions in the isolation procedures for staff changing into and out of PPE when dealing with Covid patients in order to make more space available for other patients. I don?t want to go into too much detail here for confidentiality reasons, but you can draw your own conclusions about why staff might now be getting infected. > > As for her treatment after testing positive, there hasn?t been any. The only symptoms she has had was shortness of breath and now seems to experienced a diminished sense of taste. Just walking up the gentle gradient in our village meant that she needed to stop to catch her breath after 400 metres. We walked up Ben Nevis a couple of years ago and regularly take long walks locally, so this was a drastic change. She knows that such patients are encouraged to walk more and more. She?s now good for walking for a few miles around the local area. Not quite as before, but much better than three weeks ago. She falls through the cracks in the system. Our GP doesn?t want to see her because of her Covid status, but she wasn?t poorly enough to need hospital treatment. Fortunately she knows how to deal with it and no prescription medicine was needed. > > Seeing all this from so close has taught me a number of things. First of all, Covid precautions need to be taken very seriously. Janet had a very mild case, but it was still very scary and we don?t yet know if there will be any long term effects. We are both people who are generally healthy and neither of us has much of a track record for being off sick. Other people might have been affected much more. The contact tracing was so superficial that it?s a joke. We have followed good Covid security since March and I?ve been sheltering. We wore masks long before they were recommended, no house guests, no restaurant visits, no days out, no passengers in the car, very brief and efficient supermarket visits, negligible other shopping and all shopping is disinfected when we get it home. We haven?t seen my children, grandchildren or great grandchildren for nearly a year now. We can be pretty certain that nobody has been put at risk by us, but other people who might have been contact traced in the same superficial manner might have failed to declare any number of possible contacts if that?s how contact tracing is done. > > In the hospital, what was initially taught as best practice for PPE and methods while staff were being trained in anticipation of Covid cases first appearing bears no resemblance to current government guidelines for PPE. The mantra seems to be that PPE is a precious resource which needs to be conserved, while we also read headlines saying that the docks are blocked by tens of thousands of containers of PPE which have been stuck there since the summer. > > The WHO has said for months that widespread testing is the key to dealing with it. If we only test people if they have symptoms, then asymptomatic spread is inevitable. Trials of fast Lateral Flow Tests in her hospital have not been encouraging after they were issued to staff. Staff there already have access to PCR tests every 14 days, so it?s easy to compare the results of the two methods of testing. The hospital staff are familiar with how nasal swabs need to be taken ( it?s very uncomfortable ), so their self administered tests should be more reliable than tests done by the general public. If the government have similar data, I would be shocked if they encouraged widespread self-administered Lateral Flow Tests. We need reliable tests in huge numbers. Unreliable tests would be a recipe for disaster. > > Covid can be contained and dealt with, but we have a population with a significant proportion of people too stupid to follow basic social distancing guidelines and a authorities too timid and too stupid to put into place the laws and measures needed to effectively deal with it. Vague guidelines and making stuff up on the hoof just won?t do. > > I despair of our approach to lockdowns, too reluctant to implement, too limited, and lifted far too early. Many of us will have had a car with a dodgy battery which usually starts, but doesn?t turn over one cold morning. We know that if we wait, it should recover enough to start and we can be on our way, but if we keep trying, the battery will never recover. We seem to be in the same position with Covid. > > Alan Taylor > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Dec 10 06:34:16 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 12:34:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6@mx.google.com> Well said, you two. I happened to be on a short break, with friends in Amsterdam, in March 20. Two days after returning to the UK, that city was put into lockdown. So having travelled on public transport and being in restaurants, and back on a crowded Eurostar, we self-isolated for a couple of weeks. For me this became a habit, as living on my own, no great shakes, but I became lazy! Food deliveries were courtesy of Cook food, and wine from Majestic, with the odd foray to an M & S Foodhall locally. A lovely lass ? the wife of a friend?s son, came over and did some shopping for me. She is a professional singer, so all her European concerts were cancelled. I did manage a trip to stay with said friends in July, as it had been organised that I was in their ?bubble?. However, I think the idea of releasing the lockdown for Christmas, is stupid, mad and irresponsible. The virus ain?t going to take a holiday over Christmas, so releasing lockdown and encouraging get-togethers by different households just spells trouble for spreading the virus, even if folks are not exhibiting symptoms. Particularly if households from different areas are joining up. I was due a consultation regarding prostate monitoring, but a letter said, very forcibly, not to attend the hospital ? a telephone call will be sufficient. Now ? most of you know that I hold radical views about things!! How about, as this pestilence started in China, that our Government gets everyone whose holidays, kids? education, and other forced loss of income, send in an invoice and a HUGE bill presented to the Chinese Government, for restitution! Does anyone know the true facts of the start of Covid-19? I?ve heard that it jumped from animal species in the open-air market to humans, but also that there was a research lab close by. Time for Bond to go see! Or Panorama? Stay safe, you?all Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mike via Tech1 Sent: 10 December 2020 11:30 To: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid experience Thanks for that Alan.? We have been isolating (less rigorously) since March; I have had very slight symptoms which I wonder are psychosomatic.? We have just participated in a survey (for University College, London - "Virus Watch") where they took blood for testing whether we had antibodies.? No results yet.? Margot has said it more forceably than me, but how can you depend on a test & trace system that requires everyone to have a high-tech mobile phone?? We don't.? My daughter, Jo, who works for the NHS, has been isolating with her youngest in the wilds of Lincolnshire, because she was deemed to be in danger of becoming a super-carrier, driving, as she used to, all over the place (including to London). Mike Minchin On 10/12/2020 10:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: Covid can be contained and dealt with, but we have a population with a significant proportion of people too stupid to follow basic social distancing guidelines and authorities too timid and too stupid to put into place the laws and measures needed to effectively deal with it. Vague guidelines and making stuff up on the hoof just won?t do. I despair of our approach to lockdowns, too reluctant to implement, too limited, and lifted far too early. Many of us will have had a car with a dodgy battery which usually starts, but doesn?t turn over one cold morning. We know that if we wait, it should recover enough to start and we can be on our way, but if we keep trying, the battery will never recover. We seem to be in the same position with Covid. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 10 07:39:54 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 13:39:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6@mx.google.com> References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58dcafee05davesound@btinternet.com> In article <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Now ? most of you know that I hold radical views about things!! How > about, as this pestilence started in China, that our Government gets > everyone whose holidays, kids? education, and other forced loss of > income, send in an invoice and a HUGE bill presented to the Chinese > Government, for restitution! Nice try, but there is no certainty it started in China. And even if it did first show there, it would be a very foolish person who was sure it wouldn't spread elsewhere by other means. BTW, if you pass on the cold or flue to another, are you going to be resposible for that person's additional costs? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 10 07:42:41 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 13:42:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> Message-ID: <58dcb02fd5davesound@btinternet.com> Thanks Alan. Very astute observation. In article <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Today is the day my wife returned to work after having been tested > positive for Covid just over five weeks ago. She works in the local > hospital, dealing with Covid patients, so there can be little doubt > where she became infected. [snip] -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From peter.neill at icloud.com Thu Dec 10 08:16:19 2020 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 14:16:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <58dcb02fd5davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58dcb02fd5davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9776F6DD-1B34-4171-A254-B43D6B209D30@icloud.com> The Naked Scientists is a group from Cambridge University headed by virologist Dr. Chris Smith. They do a weekly programme on BBC Radio Cambridgeshire and their website has loads of articles and podcast on many subjects. Search for Wuhan and you will find quite detailed research on the origins of COVID 19 (and IIRC they dismissed the lab theory). I do recommend the podcasts anyway- they?re very good at explaining without talking down to you. www.thenakedscientists.com Also on Radio 5 Live Peter Neill From alanaudio at me.com Thu Dec 10 08:42:38 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 14:42:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mike's mention of needing a hi-tech phone also reminded me of something which I forgot to say. Despite the fact that we each own an iPhone and both installed and have been running the NHS Covid app since the day it was launched, it still hasn't alerted me to the fact that I might have been in contact with somebody positive, even though she also runs the app, we sleep together and are rarely more than a few feet apart when at home. Janet is supposed to turn off the app when working in the hospital because she is likely to be in close contact with people who have already or are likely to be tested positive, but like most other staff, she usually forgets to switch it off, yet it has never alerted her to any exposure. There is an option to switch it off for a few hours, but the maximum time offered is 12 hours, while NHS staff like her are normally scheduled for 12.5 hour days, plus extra time for handovers and getting changed. 13-14 hours would be more appropriate. On the day that the NHS Covid app was released I suggested two changes via the user feedback. One was to allow a longer time limit for the app to be suspended, or better still, to offer an option to automatically suspend it until you leave the location which you are currently in. The other suggestion was to have an operational check mode, where two phones can be set to test mode and then indicate if they were correctly detecting each other. Neither of those points have been addressed. It's a bit late now for me to be tested for Coronaviris, but I would like to get an antibody test to see if I now have developed antibodies, but you won't be surprised to hear that I don't qualify for one. The trouble with the list of typical symptoms is that most of them are commonly experienced by most of us from time to time, while some people who do have Covid display none of those symptoms. That's why reliable and widespread testing of the entire population should have been an absolute priority nine months ago. It's still not happening. With regards to what Pat said. I agree that easing the restrictions for Christmas is madness. They weren't eased for other religious holidays and things are currently much worse than they were at those times. I would welcome some TV adverts similar to the shock adverts warning against drunk driving at Christmas. Something along the lines of "Don't socialise this Christmas or it may be your last one spent with grannie". That is exactly what Angela Merkel is telling Germans. Coronavirus is not going to join in with a friendly game of football in No Man's Land on Christmas morning any more than it declines to cross red taped lines on a hospital floor where there had previously been airtight doors. If Coronavirus can find a means of spreading, it will do so. You can only eliminate it by constant vigilance and effective precautions. We all watched with alarm how Trump refused to wear masks or take basic precautions. When Trump, along with dozens of others in the White house was declared to be positive, absolutely nobody asked "How the hell did that happen?". As for the origins of Coronavirus, it's a variant of other known viruses. Recent DNA analysis has shown that it has been detected in circulation around the globe prior to being identified in the Wuhan outbreak in China. There is now a question mark over where it truly started and studies are ongoing, but although Wuhan wet market was the start of the known outbreak and is still generally reckoned to be the source, it might have actually started elsewhere, possibly in Italy or the USA. This story may evolve in the future as new studies conclude. Alan Taylor On 10 Dec 2020, at 10 Dec . 11:30, Mike wrote: > Thanks for that Alan. We have been isolating (less rigorously) since March; I have had very slight symptoms which I wonder are psychosomatic. We have just participated in a survey (for University College, London - "Virus Watch") where they took blood for testing whether we had antibodies. No results yet. Margot has said it more forceably than me, but how can you depend on a test & trace system that requires everyone to have a high-tech mobile phone? We don't. My daughter, Jo, who works for the NHS, has been isolating with her youngest in the wilds of Lincolnshire, because she was deemed to be in danger of becoming a super-carrier, driving, as she used to, all over the place (including to London). > > Mike Minchin > On 10/12/2020 10:15, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Today is the day my wife returned to work after having been tested positive for Covid just over five weeks ago. She works in the local hospital, dealing with Covid patients, so there can be little doubt where she became infected. >> >> The hospital trust she works for is unusual in that as part of an ongoing research project, it offers routine PCR testing to all staff, whether displaying symptoms or not. She has had twelve tests so far, the previous eleven were all negative and at no time before the test or afterwards did she show the classic symptoms and had no reason to suspect that she might be positive. Even with hindsight, she couldn?t point to any signs of it. Obviously she self isolated very conscientiously and I did too. At no time have I shown any symptoms of it. >> >> Observing how she has been dealt with by the system has been rather alarming. The call from the contact tracing team was farcical. Somebody with negligible medical knowledge was reading from a script and it worked like one of those BBC promotion boards where you are asked a question and they let you talk until they hear the key word they are hoping for before abruptly moving on to an entirely different topic. I don?t qualify for a test unless I actually display symptoms, but the required symptoms are such that if I had them, it?s obvious that I really have Covid. At a time when politicians are claiming that vast numbers of tests are being conducted, it seems bizarre that the spouse of a positive case isn?t immediately tested. No wonder there is so much asymptomatic spread. I find myself wondering just who is being tested? >> >> Contact tracing for me was non-existent because I wasn?t known to be positive. I received an email telling me to self isolate and a couple of follow up emails. There was no requirement or obvious way to reply, no phone calls and no checks. Isolation happened a few days before we were going to do our ?big shop? for the month, so stocks were low. We were offered priority status to get supermarket food delivery, but gave up on that after having failed to get through to anybody due to the lines being too busy. Fortunately family and neighbours supplied the few perishable things we needed. >> >> Janet wasn?t the only member of staff in her ward to be found positive that week. There were a number of others, all asymptomatic. Her ward deals with the most contagious cases and they were very proud of the fact that during the springtime phase of the epidemic, no staff in that ward became positive, while other wards experienced 100% of staff becoming infected. However during the summer, when there were fewer Covid cases, national PPE guidelines were revised ( downwards yet again ) and there were reductions in the isolation procedures for staff changing into and out of PPE when dealing with Covid patients in order to make more space available for other patients. I don?t want to go into too much detail here for confidentiality reasons, but you can draw your own conclusions about why staff might now be getting infected. >> >> As for her treatment after testing positive, there hasn?t been any. The only symptoms she has had was shortness of breath and now seems to experienced a diminished sense of taste. Just walking up the gentle gradient in our village meant that she needed to stop to catch her breath after 400 metres. We walked up Ben Nevis a couple of years ago and regularly take long walks locally, so this was a drastic change. She knows that such patients are encouraged to walk more and more. She?s now good for walking for a few miles around the local area. Not quite as before, but much better than three weeks ago. She falls through the cracks in the system. Our GP doesn?t want to see her because of her Covid status, but she wasn?t poorly enough to need hospital treatment. Fortunately she knows how to deal with it and no prescription medicine was needed. >> >> Seeing all this from so close has taught me a number of things. First of all, Covid precautions need to be taken very seriously. Janet had a very mild case, but it was still very scary and we don?t yet know if there will be any long term effects. We are both people who are generally healthy and neither of us has much of a track record for being off sick. Other people might have been affected much more. The contact tracing was so superficial that it?s a joke. We have followed good Covid security since March and I?ve been sheltering. We wore masks long before they were recommended, no house guests, no restaurant visits, no days out, no passengers in the car, very brief and efficient supermarket visits, negligible other shopping and all shopping is disinfected when we get it home. We haven?t seen my children, grandchildren or great grandchildren for nearly a year now. We can be pretty certain that nobody has been put at risk by us, but other people who might have been contact traced in the same superficial manner might have failed to declare any number of possible contacts if that?s how contact tracing is done. >> >> In the hospital, what was initially taught as best practice for PPE and methods while staff were being trained in anticipation of Covid cases first appearing bears no resemblance to current government guidelines for PPE. The mantra seems to be that PPE is a precious resource which needs to be conserved, while we also read headlines saying that the docks are blocked by tens of thousands of containers of PPE which have been stuck there since the summer. >> >> The WHO has said for months that widespread testing is the key to dealing with it. If we only test people if they have symptoms, then asymptomatic spread is inevitable. Trials of fast Lateral Flow Tests in her hospital have not been encouraging after they were issued to staff. Staff there already have access to PCR tests every 14 days, so it?s easy to compare the results of the two methods of testing. The hospital staff are familiar with how nasal swabs need to be taken ( it?s very uncomfortable ), so their self administered tests should be more reliable than tests done by the general public. If the government have similar data, I would be shocked if they encouraged widespread self-administered Lateral Flow Tests. We need reliable tests in huge numbers. Unreliable tests would be a recipe for disaster. >> >> Covid can be contained and dealt with, but we have a population with a significant proportion of people too stupid to follow basic social distancing guidelines and a authorities too timid and too stupid to put into place the laws and measures needed to effectively deal with it. Vague guidelines and making stuff up on the hoof just won?t do. >> >> I despair of our approach to lockdowns, too reluctant to implement, too limited, and lifted far too early. Many of us will have had a car with a dodgy battery which usually starts, but doesn?t turn over one cold morning. We know that if we wait, it should recover enough to start and we can be on our way, but if we keep trying, the battery will never recover. We seem to be in the same position with Covid. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 09:39:26 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 15:39:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader Message-ID: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> Is anyone else, other than Roger and I, watching this on Talking Pictures TV?? I didn't see it first time around in 1969-71 so it's a first time joy for me. It's basically a weekly murder mystery, but it's somehow mixed with a sitcom style, in which the characters have catch phrases and there are small fun nuances - like the new secretary each week, and each stranger than the last.? It's full of actors those of us who were there worked with at some point, even a very young Maddie Smith last week. The incredibly fat Willoughby Goddard is the boss, and I find that he somehow lived to 81, dying in 2008. Technically, its a little odd. The early ones were obviously on turret cameras (EMI 203s at Teddington probably) operated by disciples of the Jim Atkinson 50 degree lens in your face school. Later ones, like yesterday's, are all zoom cameras - everything on about f2.8, with one cameraman endlessly unable to find focus. Although only two are in colour, it looks like more ought to have been, as they have a look of 2001s about them.? Was there some ACTT union thing at the time? Don't know. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 09:53:26 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 15:53:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> All but two episodes of the second season were recorded during the ITV colour strike of 1970/71. Colour cameras with the signal turned off. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 3:39 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader Is anyone else, other than Roger and I, watching this on Talking Pictures TV? I didn't see it first time around in 1969-71 so it's a first time joy for me. It's basically a weekly murder mystery, but it's somehow mixed with a sitcom style, in which the characters have catch phrases and there are small fun nuances - like the new secretary each week, and each stranger than the last. It's full of actors those of us who were there worked with at some point, even a very young Maddie Smith last week. The incredibly fat Willoughby Goddard is the boss, and I find that he somehow lived to 81, dying in 2008. Technically, its a little odd. The early ones were obviously on turret cameras (EMI 203s at Teddington probably) operated by disciples of the Jim Atkinson 50 degree lens in your face school. Later ones, like yesterday's, are all zoom cameras - everything on about f2.8, with one cameraman endlessly unable to find focus. Although only two are in colour, it looks like more ought to have been, as they have a look of 2001s about them. Was there some ACTT union thing at the time? Don't know. B -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 10 09:59:03 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 15:59:03 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58dcbcabcddavesound@btinternet.com> Good to know I had no need to rush out and update my Galaxy S4 (bought, rather than rented) which is apparently too old to run the app, yet does everything else I ask of it. In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Mike's mention of needing a hi-tech phone also reminded me of something which I forgot to say. Despite the fact that we each own an iPhone and both installed and have been running the NHS Covid app since the day it was launched, it still hasn't alerted me to the fact that I might have been in contact with somebody positive, even though she also runs the app, we sleep together and are rarely more than a few feet apart when at home. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Thu Dec 10 10:08:48 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 16:08:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <58dcafee05davesound@btinternet.com> References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6@mx.google.com> <58dcafee05davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In article <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Now ? most of you know that I hold radical views about things!! How >> about, as this pestilence started in China, that our Government gets >> everyone whose holidays, kids? education, and other forced loss of >> income, send in an invoice and a HUGE bill presented to the Chinese >> Government, for restitution! That's a bit of a "glasshouse and throwing stones" problem. Even supposing you could prove the disease started there, they have made a far better job of clearing the disease up than our benighted government. So should we, as individuals, sue Boris and his mates for subjecting us to a far more prolonged shutdown and a far worse hit to the economy than would have been necessary if we had followed (the harsh but effective) regime of our SE Asian neighbours? And of course there is the forbidden subject where half the UK has inflicted appalling costs on the country, which the other half might want to recoup from you (plurally) after Dec 31st ;} But I'll not take that one further for now.... Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk Thu Dec 10 12:51:56 2020 From: peter.fox at zero51.force9.co.uk (Peter Fox) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 18:51:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Chris, exactly what I was thinking and you have saved me the effort of getting down to writing it! I recently paid ?69 for an antibody test, courtesy of Superdrug who use the Roche test, having mildly experienced, in retrospect, some of the covid symptoms, once the wider spectrum was revealed. That was back in early March, so I left it far too long because igM and eventually igG antibodies fade away. The negative result is not conclusive in any way. The 600 microlitres of blood drips required three jabs on three fingers, collected at home in a little tube of tardis like capacity, then posted to a lab. Blood from a stone. My iphone logs the Matched Key Counts within the exposure counts part of the recently revised operating system, presumably the contacts aren?t long enough to trigger the NHS app, fair enough, but I can?t figure out, not so much where they come from but why they persist. Our one certified covid contact in our ?informal child minding bubble? was tested positive 25 days ago but still seems to be triggering a key count of 1. We don?t go out, so who else? Maybe from a deliverymen but it it doesn?t seem to go up and down to tie in with any relevant dates. I suspect that its a crap system too. I am looking forward to The Guardian?s John Crace one hour special summing up the past year at 19.00. Peter Fox On 10 Dec 2020, at 16:09, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: ?In article <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6 at mx.google.com>, > patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> Now ? most of you know that I hold radical views about things!! How >> about, as this pestilence started in China, that our Government gets >> everyone whose holidays, kids? education, and other forced loss of >> income, send in an invoice and a HUGE bill presented to the Chinese >> Government, for restitution! That's a bit of a "glasshouse and throwing stones" problem. Even supposing you could prove the disease started there, they have made a far better job of clearing the disease up than our benighted government. So should we, as individuals, sue Boris and his mates for subjecting us to a far more prolonged shutdown and a far worse hit to the economy than would have been necessary if we had followed (the harsh but effective) regime of our SE Asian neighbours? And of course there is the forbidden subject where half the UK has inflicted appalling costs on the country, which the other half might want to recoup from you (plurally) after Dec 31st ;} But I'll not take that one further for now.... Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Dec 10 13:43:52 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 19:43:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6@mx.google.com> <58dcafee05davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fd27a79.1c69fb81.9f6e.a4a5@mx.google.com> Hooray, Chris! I see myself as the spoon that stirs up the bowl of controversy. (and ?Why Not?, as Barry Norman used to say!) You are always very good at coming up with answers to most questions posed. Why are you not Prime Minister? I?ll vote for you! Pat (not taking the piss!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 10 December 2020 16:09 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid experience I -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 14:14:16 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 20:14:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> I seem to remember that soon after I joined tech ops we had a work to rule because vision supervisors weren't being paid for the job.? It seemed the right thing to do, and I joined ABS TV5.? I worked on a play where even the director thought we were in the right.? After that strikes seemed to get just a bit sillier each time.? There was an air con worker strike when I was on a play in TC1 and we all cooked but carried on, wanting to get the show done. Then someone in aircon management turned it back on and we got cool again.? Then we all got given a piece of paper saying we were now on strike too. We were not happy. When I joined Pres there was the big strike which lasted days. When we came back I walked into Telecine with a pile of film to transfer and was told we could have as many machines as we wanted for as long as we wanted because no one else was there. It was all very well for them - they just asked what we wanted loaded. We now had to get three weeks work done in two. So - what was the ITV colour strike about? Anyone know? B On 10/12/2020 15:53, David Brunt wrote: > All but two episodes of the second season were recorded during the ITV > colour strike of 1970/71.? Colour cameras with the signal turned off. > > > *From:* Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* Thursday, December 10, 2020 3:39 PM > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader > Is anyone else, other than Roger and I, watching this on Talking > Pictures TV?? I didn't see it first time around in 1969-71 so it's a > first time joy for me.? It's basically a weekly murder mystery, but > it's somehow mixed with a sitcom style, in which the characters have > catch phrases and there are small fun nuances - like the new secretary > each week, and each stranger than the last.? It's full of actors those > of us who were there worked with at some point, even a very young > Maddie Smith last week. The incredibly fat Willoughby Goddard is the > boss, and I find that he somehow lived to 81, dying in 2008. > > Technically, its a little odd. The early ones were obviously on turret > cameras (EMI 203s at Teddington probably) operated by disciples of the > Jim Atkinson 50 degree lens in your face school.? Later ones, like > yesterday's, are all zoom cameras - everything on about f2.8, with one > cameraman endlessly unable to find focus. Although only two are in > colour, it looks like more ought to have been, as they have a look of > 2001s about them. Was there some ACTT union thing at the time? Don't know. > > B > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Thu Dec 10 14:43:10 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 20:43:10 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> Message-ID: Short version The studio technicians were in a pay dispute and refused to make shows in colour (claiming that colour programmes were worth more in overseas sales than b/w ones). The strike lasted about 12 weeks. Long version. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_Strike From: Bernard Newnham Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 8:14 PM To: David Brunt ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader I seem to remember that soon after I joined tech ops we had a work to rule because vision supervisors weren't being paid for the job. It seemed the right thing to do, and I joined ABS TV5. I worked on a play where even the director thought we were in the right. After that strikes seemed to get just a bit sillier each time. There was an air con worker strike when I was on a play in TC1 and we all cooked but carried on, wanting to get the show done. Then someone in aircon management turned it back on and we got cool again. Then we all got given a piece of paper saying we were now on strike too. We were not happy. When I joined Pres there was the big strike which lasted days. When we came back I walked into Telecine with a pile of film to transfer and was told we could have as many machines as we wanted for as long as we wanted because no one else was there. It was all very well for them - they just asked what we wanted loaded. We now had to get three weeks work done in two. So - what was the ITV colour strike about? Anyone know? B On 10/12/2020 15:53, David Brunt wrote: All but two episodes of the second season were recorded during the ITV colour strike of 1970/71. Colour cameras with the signal turned off. From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 3:39 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader Is anyone else, other than Roger and I, watching this on Talking Pictures TV? I didn't see it first time around in 1969-71 so it's a first time joy for me. It's basically a weekly murder mystery, but it's somehow mixed with a sitcom style, in which the characters have catch phrases and there are small fun nuances - like the new secretary each week, and each stranger than the last. It's full of actors those of us who were there worked with at some point, even a very young Maddie Smith last week. The incredibly fat Willoughby Goddard is the boss, and I find that he somehow lived to 81, dying in 2008. Technically, its a little odd. The early ones were obviously on turret cameras (EMI 203s at Teddington probably) operated by disciples of the Jim Atkinson 50 degree lens in your face school. Later ones, like yesterday's, are all zoom cameras - everything on about f2.8, with one cameraman endlessly unable to find focus. Although only two are in colour, it looks like more ought to have been, as they have a look of 2001s about them. Was there some ACTT union thing at the time? Don't know. B ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Thu Dec 10 15:10:33 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2020 21:10:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fd28eca.1c69fb81.4814f.a292@mx.google.com> This has memories: I was working for Thames, and my mixer started to use a stereo Nagra IV-S to record radio mics on one track and the open boom on the second. The transfer guys demanded double pay for that! (It was to 16mm magnetic). If not paid double, they insisted that the mixer should stipulate which track should be transferred for the editor ? totally missing the point of choice for the best result. Don?t know how it was resolved. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 10 December 2020 20:14 To: David Brunt; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader I seem to remember that soon after I joined tech ops we had a work to rule because vision supervisors weren't being paid for the job.? It seemed the right thing to do, and I joined ABS TV5.? I worked on a play where even the director thought we were in the right.? After that strikes seemed to get just a bit sillier each time.? There was an air con worker strike when I was on a play in TC1 and we all cooked but carried on, wanting to get the show done. Then someone in aircon management turned it back on and we got cool again.? Then we all got given a piece of paper saying we were now on strike too. We were not happy. When I joined Pres there was the big strike which lasted days. When we came back I walked into Telecine with a pile of film to transfer and was told we could have as many machines as we wanted for as long as we wanted because no one else was there. It was all very well for them - they just asked what we wanted loaded. We now had to get three weeks work done in two. So - what was the ITV colour strike about? Anyone know? B ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 10 18:35:50 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 00:35:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <5fd28eca.1c69fb81.4814f.a292@mx.google.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> <5fd28eca.1c69fb81.4814f.a292@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58dcebfb38davesound@btinternet.com> In article <5fd28eca.1c69fb81.4814f.a292 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > This has memories: I was working for Thames, and my mixer started to use > a stereo Nagra IV-S to record radio mics on one track and the open boom > on the second. The transfer guys demanded double pay for that! (It was > to 16mm magnetic). If not paid double, they insisted that the mixer > should stipulate which track should be transferred for the editor ? > totally missing the point of choice for the best result. Don?t know how > it was resolved. Quite a claim, that. Wanting to be paid double. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 10 18:33:09 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 00:33:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58dcebbd03davesound@btinternet.com> In article , David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > The studio technicians were in a pay dispute and refused to make shows > in colour (claiming that colour programmes were worth more in overseas > sales than b/w ones). The strike lasted about 12 weeks. Before my time at ITV, but are you saying those progs made in B&W on colour cameras were made while everyone was on strike? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From jabberment at louisbarfe.com Fri Dec 11 04:47:26 2020 From: jabberment at louisbarfe.com (Louis Barfe) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:47:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <58dcebbd03davesound@btinternet.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> <58dcebbd03davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4e969235-16e5-15b7-ddee-b72a0a169cf9@louisbarfe.com> On 11/12/2020 00:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > Before my time at ITV, but are you saying those progs made in B&W on > colour cameras were made while everyone was on strike? I think 'strike' is just shorthand. It was more a work to rule, really. They'd turn up and make the shows, but not in colour. The first few episodes of Upstairs Downstairs were affected. When the series resumed in colour, the first episode was remade with added elements to allow export viewers to catch up on what they'd missed. L -- --------------------------------------------------- Some people draw conclusions like curtains. --------------------------------------------------- Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Dec 11 04:58:29 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 10:58:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <4e969235-16e5-15b7-ddee-b72a0a169cf9@louisbarfe.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> <8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14> <9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> <58dcebbd03davesound@btinternet.com> <4e969235-16e5-15b7-ddee-b72a0a169cf9@louisbarfe.com> Message-ID: <1BF9CA82-8035-475C-850D-6C35C5E6AA9B@icloud.com> Didn?t the BBC go through a phase of switching the cameras from colour to monochrome if the programme was scheduled to be black and white but studio scheduling meant it was rostered into a colour studio. I've vague memories of doing Playschool in a corner of TC1 under those conditions. ? Graeme Wall > On 11 Dec 2020, at 10:47, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote: > > On 11/12/2020 00:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Before my time at ITV, but are you saying those progs made in B&W on >> colour cameras were made while everyone was on strike? > > I think 'strike' is just shorthand. It was more a work to rule, really. They'd turn up and make the shows, but not in colour. The first few episodes of Upstairs Downstairs were affected. When the series resumed in colour, the first episode was remade with added elements to allow export viewers to catch up on what they'd missed. > > L > > -- > --------------------------------------------------- > Some people draw conclusions like curtains. > --------------------------------------------------- > Louis Barfe - http://cheeseford.net > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Fri Dec 11 05:11:35 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:11:35 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <58dcebbd03davesound@btinternet.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com><8F04DA64E47A43DEBAC0E7403F3261BD@0023242e4e14><9a8cf26e-311d-3443-3953-e9611b909d23@gmail.com> <58dcebbd03davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5C9CED515D0B4414864B9829EB8C0E6B@0023242e4e14> The strike was to stop making them in colour. They seem to have been happy to still make them in b/w. It sounds a bit odd with hindsight though. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 12:33 AM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In article , David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > The studio technicians were in a pay dispute and refused to make shows > in colour (claiming that colour programmes were worth more in overseas > sales than b/w ones). The strike lasted about 12 weeks. Before my time at ITV, but are you saying those progs made in B&W on colour cameras were made while everyone was on strike? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Dec 11 05:13:45 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:13:45 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> References: <9cfc35e8-3fc1-d44d-0bcf-3ba31d32da0e@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58dd266351davesound@btinternet.com> In article <4e969235-16e5-15b7-ddee-b72a0a169cf9 at louisbarfe.com>, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote: > On 11/12/2020 00:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > > > Before my time at ITV, but are you saying those progs made in B&W on > > colour cameras were made while everyone was on strike? > I think 'strike' is just shorthand. It was more a work to rule, really. > They'd turn up and make the shows, but not in colour. The first few > episodes of Upstairs Downstairs were affected. When the series resumed > in colour, the first episode was remade with added elements to allow > export viewers to catch up on what they'd missed. That sounds more like it. I do remember quite a lot of 'ribbing' - not always friendly - that cameras had got a settlement for colour, but not sound. ;-) Given the cameras still had mono viewfinders. Something to do with adjusting colour monitors - but just the colour knob on the front. We in sound tried the same with stereo but failed. ;-) Not that I'm complaining about the pay rates at ITV. I was generally happy with them. Unlike at the BBC - why I left. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Fri Dec 11 05:23:30 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 11:23:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In-Reply-To: <5C9CED515D0B4414864B9829EB8C0E6B@0023242e4e14> References: <5C9CED515D0B4414864B9829EB8C0E6B@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: I?m not sure exactly what years you?re thinking of, but wasn?t there a period when BBC1 was still 405 lines and BBC2 625 lines? I remember the auto-switching pic monitors, etc., presumably so for that reason? You could tell by ear as you walked into the room which we were on today! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 11 Dec 2020, at 11:12, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The strike was to stop making them in colour. They seem to have been happy to still make them in b/w. > > It sounds a bit odd with hindsight though. > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 12:33 AM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader > > In article , > David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: >> The studio technicians were in a pay dispute and refused to make shows >> in colour (claiming that colour programmes were worth more in overseas >> sales than b/w ones). The strike lasted about 12 weeks. > > Before my time at ITV, but are you saying those progs made in B&W on > colour cameras were made while everyone was on strike? > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Dec 11 06:03:50 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2020 12:03:50 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Covid experience In-Reply-To: <5fd27a79.1c69fb81.9f6e.a4a5@mx.google.com> References: <133ED7C3-254A-4F62-B44E-C15201D3793A@me.com> <83893a67-6c0b-73db-757e-b12b239aae57@gmail.com> <5fd215c8.1c69fb81.67ee3.59b6@mx.google.com> <58dcafee05davesound@btinternet.com> <5fd27a79.1c69fb81.9f6e.a4a5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <47e7cd5d-0524-4b07-fa9d-1b4795616b60@chriswoolf.co.uk> > Why are you not Prime Minister? Sweetie, I just don't have the ~time~! Chris Woolf On 10/12/2020 19:43, patheigham wrote: > > Hooray, Chris! > > I see myself as the spoon that stirs up the bowl of controversy. > > (and ?Why Not?, as Barry Norman used to say!) > > You are always very good at coming up with answers to most questions > posed. > > Why are you not Prime Minister? > > I?ll vote for you! > > Pat > > (not taking the piss!) > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Chris Woolf via Tech1 > *Sent: *10 December 2020 16:09 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Covid experience > > I > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 11 Dec 2020, at 12:04, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: ? > Why are you not Prime Minister? Sweetie, I just don't have the ~time~! Chris Woolf On 10/12/2020 19:43, patheigham wrote: Hooray, Chris! I see myself as the spoon that stirs up the bowl of controversy. (and ?Why Not?, as Barry Norman used to say!) You are always very good at coming up with answers to most questions posed. Why are you not Prime Minister? I?ll vote for you! Pat (not taking the piss!) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Woolf via Tech1 Sent: 10 December 2020 16:09 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Covid experience I _____ This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -->-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris Woolf On 11/12/2020 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > Back off Chris, I?ve got my eye on that job! > Nick x. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 11 Dec 2020, at 12:04, Chris Woolf via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> > Why are you not Prime Minister? >> >> Sweetie, I just don't have the ~time~! >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> On 10/12/2020 19:43, patheigham wrote: >>> >>> Hooray, Chris! >>> >>> I see myself as the spoon that stirs up the bowl of controversy. >>> >>> (and ?Why Not?, as Barry Norman used to say!) >>> >>> You are always very good at coming up with answers to most questions >>> posed. >>> >>> Why are you not Prime Minister? >>> >>> I?ll vote for you! >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> (not taking the piss!) >>> >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> >>> *From: *Chris Woolf via Tech1 >>> *Sent: *10 December 2020 16:09 >>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Covid experience >>> >>> I >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Avast logo >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> -->-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > --> > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He also has very respectable tea-shop meetings with 'Miss Bellman', who has changed actress recently. I preferred the original one, Virginia Stride, of 'Playschool' fame. But have you noticed, those of us who watch 'Talking Pictures', ITV3 and other oldie channels, that all the the adverts are for mobility scooters, arthritis aids, etc. They obviously know what a collection of over-the-hill geriatrics we are. And a current advert for 'Harpic Power Plus' boasts that it is 'Ten times more effective against limescale than bleach alone!' Now - since bleach has zero effect on limescale, other than to make it a bit whiter, and ten times zero equals zero, this is probably true. Reminds me of the old ads that claimed - "Nothing is better for headaches than Anadin!" - so take nothing! luv, Rog. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Dave Plowman via Tech1" To: "tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk" Sent: Friday, 11 Dec, 20 At 11:13 Subject: Re: [Tech1] The Mind of Mr J G Reader In article <4e969235-16e5-15b7-ddee-b72a0a169cf9 at louisbarfe.com>, Louis Barfe via Tech1 wrote: On 11/12/2020 00:33, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: Before my time at ITV, but are you saying those progs made in B&W on colour cameras were made while everyone was on strike? I think 'strike' is just shorthand. It was more a work to rule, really. They'd turn up and make the shows, but not in colour. The first few episodes of Upstairs Downstairs were affected. When the series resumed in colour, the first episode was remade with added elements to allow export viewers to catch up on what they'd missed. That sounds more like it. I do remember quite a lot of 'ribbing' - not always friendly - that cameras had got a settlement for colour, but not sound. ;-) Given the cameras still had mono viewfinders. Something to do with adjusting colour monitors - but just the colour knob on the front. We in sound tried the same with stereo but failed. ;-) Not that I'm complaining about the pay rates at ITV. I was generally happy with them. Unlike at the BBC - why I left. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am on my annual pilgrimage to beg you and your members/colleagues for help with my annual In Memoriam video for people who have passed away in 2020 who worked on Doctor Who. I try to keep my ear to the ground but I may well have missed somebody, so here is a list of who I have got Colin Reid - senior cameraman Tony Redston - production manager Derek Kibble - vision mixer Tony Snoaden - designer (died 2019 but missed off last year's) Ben Palmer - technician (died 2019 but missed off last year's) John Griffiths - film editor, later PA Nicholas Bullen - costumes Catherine Childs/Sykes - AFM, PA Tony Cash - documentary maker Neil Sweetmore - dresser Any actors and extras I suspect I have got but if there are any behind-the-scenes types who I am missing please do let me know. I have photos of most but not of Tony Snoaden or Ben Palmer (well, I have but it's tiny) so any pictures of them would be helpful too. Any and all help appreciated as ever - and please feel free to pass on my email to anyone who you think may be able to help. Happy Times And Places, Toby Toby Hadoke - actor, writer, comedian www.tobyhadoke.com (website and blog) Personal mobile : 07900 424944 (but if it's about work please see below : they're more efficient than me) For writing, Laura Rourke at The Independent Talent Group: laurarourke at independenttalent.com T: +44 (0)20 7636 6565 For stand-up, Dean Feasby at Gag Reflex: dean at gagreflex.co.uk T. 0161 205 8739 M. 07599 554191 For acting, Carolyn Cutler at Patrick Hambleton Management: 020 7993 5412 carolyn at phm.uk.com For voice overs, The Voiceover Gallery: 0161 881 8844 manchester at thevoiceovergallery.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From techtone at protonmail.com Sun Dec 13 14:26:05 2020 From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 20:26:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... Message-ID: .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. TeaTeaFN - Tony Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulvictork at uwclub.net Sun Dec 13 14:31:44 2020 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 20:31:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: <1607270679.it6ccw0pw0w00k8w@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <89bd584f-4171-7666-ab56-a150dc7b1196@gmail.com> , <01282289-8E50-455C-92D5-F9E91CD670EA@icloud.com> <1607270679.it6ccw0pw0w00k8w@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: <1607891504.xbnl1g1x1c8kg4kk@webmail.uwclub.net> ? On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 16:04:39 +0000, paulvictork at uwclub.net wrote: ? I to remember "Doodle Bugs" V1s I saw many overfly our Paddington streets. We saw what we (my father and I) think was the first one, closely pursued by a Fighter whichshot at it It crashed in Willesden it wasn'tt until sevreral more had been downed that ti was realised that they were Flying Bombs Fighterss did not shoot at them until open country side? On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 22:27:24 +0000, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: I wonder how many of you guys actually remember seeing those V1 Doodlebugs in action? I?ve always believed that our earliest permanent memories begin from about age four. But when I was barely three years old (1944/5) we lived in Guildford, up on the Hog?s Back. Directly out of my North facing bedroom window you could see all the way to London, and all the flashing and fire and smoke that went on there lit up the sky every night.? And nearby in line of sight was the very conspicuous part-completed chancel of Guildford Cathedral. A bit South of us is Shalford, where there was a big ammunition factory and a railway line that carried munitions between Horsham and Guildford, and thence to wherever they were needed. German aircraft used St Martha?s church a bit further to the Southeast on the Pilgrims? Way as a visual navigation landmark for targeting the heavily defended ammunition factory, and the Cathedral was a visual marker heading towards London. From my window we could see German bombers and the V1?s passing overhead making their eery pulse-jet sound, that would suddenly cut out causing the V1 to nosedive to the ground and explode. That spike on the nose was the detonator. Plus of course, we saw all the British aircraft intercepting them. I know I shouldn?t theoretically be able to remember any of that, but I?m convinced that such was the horror of it all, I still see and hear it vividly, and not because of film footage I?ve seen since then. All made worse by the fact that my Dad?s brother and family, and his mum, my Gran, lived in the Clapham area, and my poor Dad had no way of knowing if they were OK.? So, who else here lives with those memories? We don? t need badges to bring it all back. Maybe CV1 and CV2 would be more appropriate! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 ? On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ? ? You wouldn?t need a second jab after this one: ?? Graeme Wall ? ? On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Already a talking point then On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 18:56 Keith Wicks, wrote: But they make you look like a nerd specialising in German bombs! KW On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I thought maybe that?there'll be a financial opportunity for someone next month. Get?the jab, wear a badge - --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paulvictork at uwclub.net Sun Dec 13 14:40:05 2020 From: paulvictork at uwclub.net (paulvictork at uwclub.net) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 20:40:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A badge - V1 Doodlebugs In-Reply-To: <1607891504.xbnl1g1x1c8kg4kk@webmail.uwclub.net> References: <89bd584f-4171-7666-ab56-a150dc7b1196@gmail.com> , <01282289-8E50-455C-92D5-F9E91CD670EA@icloud.com> <1607270679.it6ccw0pw0w00k8w@webmail.uwclub.net> <1607891504.xbnl1g1x1c8kg4kk@webmail.uwclub.net> Message-ID: <1607892005.acrfytzhwccowg4c@webmail.uwclub.net> ? On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 20:31:44 +0000, paulvictork--- via Tech1 wrote: ? ? On Sun, 06 Dec 2020 16:04:39 +0000, paulvictork at uwclub.net wrote: ? I to remember "Doodle Bugs" V1s I saw many overfly our Paddington streets. We saw what we (my father and I) think was the first one, closely pursued by a Fighter whichshot at it It crashed in Willesden it wasn'tt until sevreral more had been downed that ti was realised that they were Flying Bombs Fighterss did not shoot at them until open country side? On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 22:27:24 +0000, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: I wonder how many of you guys actually remember seeing those V1 Doodlebugs in action? I?ve always believed that our earliest permanent memories begin from about age four. But when I was barely three years old (1944/5) we lived in Guildford, up on the Hog?s Back. Directly out of my North facing bedroom window you could see all the way to London, and all the flashing and fire and smoke that went on there lit up the sky every night.? And nearby in line of sight was the very conspicuous part-completed chancel of Guildford Cathedral. A bit South of us is Shalford, where there was a big ammunition factory and a railway line that carried munitions between Horsham and Guildford, and thence to wherever they were needed. German aircraft used St Martha?s church a bit further to the Southeast on the Pilgrims? Way as a visual navigation landmark for targeting the heavily defended ammunition factory, and the Cathedral was a visual marker heading towards London. From my window we could see German bombers and the V1?s passing overhead making their eery pulse-jet sound, that would suddenly cut out causing the V1 to nosedive to the ground and explode. That spike on the nose was the detonator. Plus of course, we saw all the British aircraft intercepting them. I know I shouldn?t theoretically be able to remember any of that, but I?m convinced that such was the horror of it all, I still see and hear it vividly, and not because of film footage I?ve seen since then. All made worse by the fact that my Dad?s brother and family, and his mum, my Gran, lived in the Clapham area, and my poor Dad had no way of knowing if they were OK.? So, who else here lives with those memories? We don? t need badges to bring it all back. Maybe CV1 and CV2 would be more appropriate! Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 ? On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:12, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: ? ? You wouldn?t need a second jab after this one: ?? Graeme Wall ? ? On 5 Dec 2020, at 20:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: Already a talking point then On Sat, 5 Dec 2020, 18:56 Keith Wicks, wrote: But they make you look like a nerd specialising in German bombs! KW On Sat, 5 Dec 2020 at 17:55, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: I thought maybe that?there'll be a financial opportunity for someone next month. Get?the jab, wear a badge - --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk --? Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Sun Dec 13 16:24:59 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:24:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. Mike G > On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Dec 13 16:33:31 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:33:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. Alan Taylor > On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. > > Mike G > >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >> >> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> >> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Sun Dec 13 16:44:07 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2020 22:44:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of course this farrago is stage managed from beginning to end. And not by the Illuminati or royal family lizards, either! Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > > TeaTeaFN - Tony > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Mon Dec 14 01:25:20 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:25:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oven-ready, that is! Mike G > On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. > > There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. > > Alan Taylor > >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>> >>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> >>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Dec 14 01:35:03 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 07:35:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. ? Graeme Wall > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > > Oven-ready, that is! > > Mike G > >> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >> >> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>> >>> Mike G >>> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>> >>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Dec 14 02:51:04 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 08:51:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> Message-ID: Boris a journalist? Really? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Oven-ready, that is! >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>> >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>> >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 03:58:08 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 09:58:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> Message-ID: Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. KW On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > Boris a journalist? Really? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for > missing deadlines. > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> Oven-ready, that is! > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? > >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of > these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as > a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he > intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who > negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. > >>> > >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant > elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. > >>> > >>> Alan Taylor > >>> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? > >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a > hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think > by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the > first place. > >>>> > >>>> Mike G > >>>> > >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ? > >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling > that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten > deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full > of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last > possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and > successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound > around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. > but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > >>>>> > >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Mon Dec 14 05:02:13 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:02:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> Message-ID: <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> Well to be more accurate he was paid as a journalist but was actually a fiction writer. He is notorious for having reported all sorts of stuff from Brussels in his time there, but made up the great majority of it. He was the source of the mythical EU banana, the fixed size Euro-coffin, the ban on prawn crisps, ice-pillows for kippers, etc etc - the Tiimes even sacked him for lying. I'm afraid his relationship with the truth is little better than that of his orange idol across the pond. Chris Woolf On 14/12/2020 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and > was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of > becoming an MP in 2001. > KW > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > > wrote: > > Boris a journalist? Really? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious > for missing deadlines. > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > > wrote: > >> > >> Oven-ready, that is! > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? > >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news.? If the true > intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris > wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact > he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal.? ?He > wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal > against all odds. > >>> > >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more > compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. > >>> > >>> Alan Taylor > >>> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? > >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be > applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be > open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t? > seem very appetising to me in the first place. > >>>> > >>>> Mike G > >>>> > >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 > > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ? > >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the > feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? > There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of > necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New > Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and > hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful > diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound > around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick > holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > >>>>> > >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithwicksuk at gmail.com Mon Dec 14 08:01:00 2020 From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 14:01:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes. He is frequently a stranger to the truth. There's an interesting article about him here: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surprised-boris-johnson-lied-when-he-s-been-sacked-lying-twice-a7105976.html KW On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 11:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > Well to be more accurate he was paid as a journalist but was actually a > fiction writer. > > He is notorious for having reported all sorts of stuff from Brussels in > his time there, but made up the great majority of it. He was the source of > the mythical EU banana, the fixed size Euro-coffin, the ban on prawn > crisps, ice-pillows for kippers, etc etc - the Tiimes even sacked him for > lying. > > I'm afraid his relationship with the truth is little better than that of > his orange idol across the pond. > > Chris Woolf > > > On 14/12/2020 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was > the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an > MP in 2001. > KW > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 < > tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > >> Boris a journalist? Really? >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for >> missing deadlines. >> > ? >> > Graeme Wall >> > >> > >> >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Oven-ready, that is! >> >> >> >> Mike G >> >> >> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 < >> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ? >> >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of >> these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as >> a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he >> intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who >> negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >> >>> >> >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant >> elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >> >>> >> >>> Alan Taylor >> >>> >> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> ? >> >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a >> hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think >> by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the >> first place. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike G >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 >> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ? >> >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling >> that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten >> deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full >> of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last >> possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and >> successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound >> around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. >> but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> > > > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-8972765384179724747_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Dec 14 09:14:13 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 15:14:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <5fd78145.1c69fb81.ebbb.de5b@mx.google.com> Sounds like a perfect grounding to be a politician! Pat (cynical ? moi?) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Keith Wicks via Tech1 Sent: 14 December 2020 14:01 To: Chris Woolf Cc: tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... Yes. He is frequently a stranger to the truth. There's an interesting article about him here: https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-are-we-so-surprised-boris-johnson-lied-when-he-s-been-sacked-lying-twice-a7105976.html KW On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 11:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: Well to be more accurate he was paid as a journalist but was actually a fiction writer. He is notorious for having reported all sorts of stuff from Brussels in his time there, but made up the great majority of it. He was the source of the mythical EU banana, the fixed size Euro-coffin, the ban on prawn crisps, ice-pillows for kippers, etc etc - the Tiimes even sacked him for lying. I'm afraid his relationship with the truth is little better than that of his orange idol across the pond. Chris Woolf -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From relong at btinternet.com Mon Dec 14 09:21:35 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 15:21:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <4C4DF4F1-D8B2-4313-849A-403B2A87AC9F@btinternet.com> Many journalists are purveyors of fiction Martin Bashir and Carol Cadwalladr to name two contemporary hacks. Winston Churchill was a journo and a PM Boris?s failings are manifold, his Euro postings were plainly satire on a pompous beaurocratic monolith. They did seed doubt that is true, we should have perhaps had a referendum after the Maastricht Treaty in 92, that obfuscated EU future Fedralisation Plans. This opportunity was refused , as was the EU?s Constitution written by Giscard Des-tang by the French , Dutch and Irish, all were ignored. The House of Commons was full of bitter argument after Maastricht, the Lisbon Treaty was signed in secret by Gordon Brown. All that is in the past. We left the EU in January. Its up to us to decide our future, not Berlaymont. (Berlaymont was riddled with Asbestos, Boris reported it was to be demolished? This was not possible ,the EU left it in 1991 and did not return till 2004, 13 yrs ,5 yrs longer than it took to build. It still has no sprinkler system.) Roger > On 14 Dec 2020, at 11:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > Well to be more accurate he was paid as a journalist but was actually a fiction writer. > > He is notorious for having reported all sorts of stuff from Brussels in his time there, but made up the great majority of it. He was the source of the mythical EU banana, the fixed size Euro-coffin, the ban on prawn crisps, ice-pillows for kippers, etc etc - the Tiimes even sacked him for lying. > > I'm afraid his relationship with the truth is little better than that of his orange idol across the pond. > > Chris Woolf > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Mon Dec 14 10:35:49 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 16:35:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <4C4DF4F1-D8B2-4313-849A-403B2A87AC9F@btinternet.com> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> <4C4DF4F1-D8B2-4313-849A-403B2A87AC9F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58decf6117davesound@btinternet.com> In article <4C4DF4F1-D8B2-4313-849A-403B2A87AC9F at btinternet.com>, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > Its up to us to decide our future, not Berlaymont. It is. But as with any club, we have to abide by its rules if wanting to use its facilities. To be allowed not to would be unfair to existing members. If we want some form of associate membership, that has to be agreed by both sides - not just us. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Dec 14 11:03:23 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:03:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <4C4DF4F1-D8B2-4313-849A-403B2A87AC9F@btinternet.com> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <60149f0c-3a59-bfe4-f8f0-ac401750e9e6@chriswoolf.co.uk> <4C4DF4F1-D8B2-4313-849A-403B2A87AC9F@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5605468B-CAF7-4C49-A79C-8373F7C43FD1@me.com> That'll explain why Carol Cadwalladr has 12 awards for her work between 2017and 2019 including as a finalist for the 2019 Pulitzer Prize (along with the NY Times) for her work on the Cambridge Analytica scandal. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 14 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > Many journalists are purveyors of fiction > Martin Bashir and Carol Cadwalladr to name two contemporary hacks. > Winston Churchill was a journo and a PM > Boris?s failings are manifold, his Euro postings were plainly satire on a pompous beaurocratic monolith. > They did seed doubt that is true, we should have perhaps had a referendum after the Maastricht Treaty in 92, that obfuscated EU future Fedralisation Plans. > This opportunity was refused , as was the EU?s Constitution written by Giscard Des-tang by the French , Dutch and Irish, all were ignored. > The House of Commons was full of bitter argument after Maastricht, the Lisbon Treaty was signed in secret by Gordon Brown. > All that is in the past. > We left the EU in January. > Its up to us to decide our future, not Berlaymont. > > (Berlaymont was riddled with Asbestos, Boris reported it was to be demolished? This was not possible ,the EU left it in 1991 and did not return till 2004, 13 yrs ,5 yrs longer than it took to build. It still has no sprinkler system.) > > Roger > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 11:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Well to be more accurate he was paid as a journalist but was actually a fiction writer. >> >> He is notorious for having reported all sorts of stuff from Brussels in his time there, but made up the great majority of it. He was the source of the mythical EU banana, the fixed size Euro-coffin, the ban on prawn crisps, ice-pillows for kippers, etc etc - the Tiimes even sacked him for lying. >> >> I'm afraid his relationship with the truth is little better than that of his orange idol across the pond. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hugh On 14-Dec-20 3:21 PM, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > Many journalists are purveyors of fiction > Martin Bashir and Carol Cadwalladr to name two contemporary hacks. > Winston Churchill was a journo and a PM > Boris?s failings are manifold, his Euro postings were plainly satire > on a pompous beaurocratic monolith. > They did seed doubt that is true, we should have perhaps had a > referendum after the Maastricht Treaty in 92, that obfuscated EU > future Fedralisation Plans. > This opportunity was refused , as was the EU?s Constitution ?written > by Giscard Des-tang by the French , Dutch and Irish, all were ignored. > The House of Commons was full of bitter argument after Maastricht, > ?the Lisbon Treaty was signed in secret by Gordon Brown. > All that is in the past. > We left the EU in January. > Its up to us to decide our future, not Berlaymont. > > (Berlaymont was riddled with Asbestos, Boris reported it was to be > ?demolished? This was not possible ,the EU left it in 1991 and did not > return till 2004, 13 yrs ,5 yrs longer than it took to build. It still > has no sprinkler system.) > > Roger > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 11:02, Chris Woolf via Tech1 > > wrote: >> >> Well to be more accurate he was paid as a journalist but was actually >> a fiction writer. >> >> He is notorious for having reported all sorts of stuff from Brussels >> in his time there, but made up the great majority of it. He was the >> source of the mythical EU banana, the fixed size Euro-coffin, the ban >> on prawn crisps, ice-pillows for kippers, etc etc - the Tiimes even >> sacked him for lying. >> >> I'm afraid his relationship with the truth is little better than that >> of his orange idol across the pond. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Mon Dec 14 11:24:27 2020 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 17:24:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> Message-ID: <43E1A3E2-BB02-4391-B0BA-363B0A724881@me.com> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth > On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. > KW > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: > Boris a journalist? Really? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >> > >> Oven-ready, that is! > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > >>> > >>> ? > >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. > >>> > >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. > >>> > >>> Alan Taylor > >>> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? > >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. > >>>> > >>>> Mike G > >>>> > >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ? > >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > >>>>> > >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Dec 14 13:31:53 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:31:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <43E1A3E2-BB02-4391-B0BA-363B0A724881@me.com> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <43E1A3E2-BB02-4391-B0BA-363B0A724881@me.com> Message-ID: <5fd7bda8.1c69fb81.b7649.8eac@mx.google.com> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. KW On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: Boris a journalist? Really? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Oven-ready, that is! >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news.? If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal.? ?He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>> >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t? seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>> >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Dec 14 13:42:02 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 19:42:02 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <5fd7bda8.1c69fb81.b7649.8eac@mx.google.com> References: <5fd7bda8.1c69fb81.b7649.8eac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The way it was explained to me by an American is that if the election were decided by a simple count of votes, it would always be down to what the New York area and California voted for, because there is such a great concentration of people in those areas. In order to give a meaningful voice to smaller states, they use the electoral college system. Each state is given a certain number of electoral college votes. The exact number for each state is supposed to make the result fairer. A particular state will vote and the party winning the most votes is awarded all of the electoral college votes for that state. When the result is close, a great deal may depend on a few votes cast one way or another as all the electoral votes for that state go to the winning party, even if they only won by a single vote. Today is the day when the electoral college casts their votes. Alan Taylor > On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. > As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. > It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? > Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 > Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. > KW > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Boris a journalist? Really? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >> > >> Oven-ready, that is! > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > >>> > >>> ? > >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. > >>> > >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. > >>> > >>> Alan Taylor > >>> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? > >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. > >>>> > >>>> Mike G > >>>> > >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ? > >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > >>>>> > >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Dec 14 14:24:53 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:24:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <5fd7bda8.1c69fb81.b7649.8eac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5fd7ca14.1c69fb81.4c05d.40ff@mx.google.com> I still don?t understand the ?college?. That to me is an educational establishment. I think I prefer the ?one man, one vote? principle. There?s a lovely Neville Shute novel ?In the Wet? set in some time in the future, where Australian citizens are granted more than one vote by reason of their achievements. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 14 December 2020 19:42 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... The way it was explained to me by an American is that if the election were decided by a simple count of votes, it would always be down to what the New York area and California voted for, because there is such a great concentration of people in those areas.? In order to give a meaningful voice to smaller states, they use the electoral college system. ?Each state is given a certain number of electoral college votes. ?The exact number for each state is supposed to make the result fairer. ?A particular state will vote and the party winning the most votes is awarded all of the electoral college votes for that state. ?When the result is close, a great deal may depend on a few votes cast one way or another as all the electoral votes for that state go to the winning party, even if they only won by a single vote. Today is the day when the electoral college casts their votes.? Alan Taylor On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ?? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. Pat ? ? ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... ? Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: ? Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. KW ? On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: Boris a journalist? Really? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Oven-ready, that is! >> >> Mike G >> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news.? If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal.? ?He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>> >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t? seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>> >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk ? ? This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: BA0104B1B90E46BC893D26839BF29A67.png Type: image/png Size: 136 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Dec 14 14:42:04 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:42:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <5fd7bda8.1c69fb81.b7649.8eac@mx.google.com> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <43E1A3E2-BB02-4391-B0BA-363B0A724881@me.com> <5fd7bda8.1c69fb81.b7649.8eac@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <60D7BB24-FF46-4A53-A1D1-5E81608367CC@icloud.com> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. ? Graeme Wall > On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. > As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. > It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? > Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 > Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. > KW > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Boris a journalist? Really? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >> > >> Oven-ready, that is! > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > >>> > >>> ? > >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. > >>> > >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. > >>> > >>> Alan Taylor > >>> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? > >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. > >>>> > >>>> Mike G > >>>> > >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ? > >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > >>>>> > >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Mon Dec 14 14:49:57 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2020 20:49:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <5fd7ca14.1c69fb81.4c05d.40ff@mx.google.com> References: <5fd7ca14.1c69fb81.4c05d.40ff@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The word ?college? has multiple meanings. The first definition in volume one of my Oxford dictionary seems to cover what the electoral colleges do. Alan Taylor > On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:24, patheigham wrote: > > ? > I still don?t understand the ?college?. That to me is an educational establishment. > I think I prefer the ?one man, one vote? principle. > > There?s a lovely Neville Shute novel ?In the Wet? set in some time in the future, where Australian citizens are granted more than one vote by reason of their achievements. > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 14 December 2020 19:42 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > The way it was explained to me by an American is that if the election were decided by a simple count of votes, it would always be down to what the New York area and California voted for, because there is such a great concentration of people in those areas. > > In order to give a meaningful voice to smaller states, they use the electoral college system. Each state is given a certain number of electoral college votes. The exact number for each state is supposed to make the result fairer. A particular state will vote and the party winning the most votes is awarded all of the electoral college votes for that state. When the result is close, a great deal may depend on a few votes cast one way or another as all the electoral votes for that state go to the winning party, even if they only won by a single vote. > > Today is the day when the electoral college casts their votes. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:32, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. > As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. > It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? > Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 > Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: > > Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. > KW > > On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > Boris a journalist? Really? > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > > > ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. > > ? > > Graeme Wall > > > > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >> > >> Oven-ready, that is! > >> > >> Mike G > >> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > >>> > >>> ? > >>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. > >>> > >>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. > >>> > >>> Alan Taylor > >>> > >>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ? > >>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. > >>>> > >>>> Mike G > >>>> > >>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ? > >>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. > >>>>> > >>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24503 bytes Desc: not available URL: From relong at btinternet.com Tue Dec 15 03:46:39 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:46:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <60D7BB24-FF46-4A53-A1D1-5E81608367CC@icloud.com> References: <80203097-347B-4A0D-869B-4C2FDDC59EA0@icloud.com> <43E1A3E2-BB02-4391-B0BA-363B0A724881@me.com> <5fd7bda8.1c69fb81.b7649.8eac@mx.google.com> <60D7BB24-FF46-4A53-A1D1-5E81608367CC@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1C5E2BA7-B299-4031-B7BA-3C01854A4CDB@btinternet.com> Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. Nebraska v NYc Roger > On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >> >> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >> >> >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >> KW >> >> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> Boris a journalist? Really? >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>> >>>> Mike G >>>> >>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>> >>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>> >>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>> >>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike G >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Dec 15 03:54:31 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 09:54:31 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <1C5E2BA7-B299-4031-B7BA-3C01854A4CDB@btinternet.com> References: <1C5E2BA7-B299-4031-B7BA-3C01854A4CDB@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. > Nebraska v NYc > Roger > >> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>> >>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>> >>> >>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>> KW >>> >>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>> >>>>> Mike G >>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>> >>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Tue Dec 15 04:58:26 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 10:58:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> Message-ID: <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. Alan Taylor > On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. > Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >> Nebraska v NYc >> Roger >> >>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>> >>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>> KW >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>> >>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>> >>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike G >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Dec 15 05:29:16 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:29:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> Message-ID: Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. >> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>> Nebraska v NYc >>> Roger >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>> >>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>> KW >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>> >>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>> >>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 05:43:21 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 11:43:21 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> Message-ID: <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> Dominic Grieve would?ve been a good Honest Joe candidate in my opinion and it?s sad that he?d had enough of trying to talk sense into them and moved on. I think we?re saddled with the resident incumbent for a while yet, unless his fan base evaporates once the harsh reality of a no-deal kicks in. I?m no fan of his and we can but drea Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 15 December 2020 11:29 To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. Alan Taylor On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 > wrote: ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. Nebraska v NYc Roger On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. ? Graeme Wall On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. KW On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: Boris a journalist? Really? Alasdair Lawrance Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. ? Graeme Wall On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: Oven-ready, that is! Mike G On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: ? Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. Alan Taylor On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: ? My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. Mike G On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: ? .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. TeaTeaFN - Tony -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Dec 15 06:13:19 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:13:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30CF3ED0-473D-4BB6-8BE5-C4346A58B60A@icloud.com> Sunak is the man with the golden balls as far as the conservative party is concerned, and I suspect he doesn?t want to be chancellor when the Covid and Brexit bills come in. ? Graeme Wall > On 15 Dec 2020, at 11:43, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Dominic Grieve would?ve been a good Honest Joe candidate in my opinion and it?s sad that he?d had enough of trying to talk sense into them and moved on. > > I think we?re saddled with the resident incumbent for a while yet, unless his fan base evaporates once the harsh reality of a no-deal kicks in. I?m no fan of his and we can but drea > > Geoff > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: 15 December 2020 11:29 > To: Alan Taylor > Cc: Tech Ops List > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. >>> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>>> Nebraska v NYc >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>>> >>>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>>> KW >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>>> >>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>>> >>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 06:16:15 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:16:15 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> Message-ID: <000701d6d2dc$15e537f0$41afa7d0$@gmail.com> Boris has already said he's going in the Spring as he can't live on the PM's salary which is ?110k I believe -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 15 December 2020 10:58 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. Alan Taylor > On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: > > ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. > Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). > > Alasdair Lawrance > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >> Nebraska v NYc >> Roger >> >>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>> ? >>> Graeme Wall >>> >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>> >>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>> KW >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>> >>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>> >>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike G >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> www.avast.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Tue Dec 15 06:34:28 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:34:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <000701d6d2dc$15e537f0$41afa7d0$@gmail.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <000701d6d2dc$15e537f0$41afa7d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F578695-E6A6-4ED6-8B6B-39E79B0947ED@icloud.com> ?158,754 apparently. ? Graeme Wall > On 15 Dec 2020, at 12:16, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > Boris has already said he's going in the Spring as he can't live on the PM's salary which is ?110k I believe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 15 December 2020 10:58 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. >> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>> Nebraska v NYc >>> Roger >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>> >>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>> KW >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>> >>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>> >>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 06:43:46 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 12:43:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <000701d6d2dc$15e537f0$41afa7d0$@gmail.com> References: <000701d6d2dc$15e537f0$41afa7d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30E2D1AA-86E9-4A02-8A37-0F98B4E9406F@gmail.com> Poor lamb, how can he be expected to survive on just that. He deserves greener pastures doesn?t he? Geoff > On 15 Dec 2020, at 12:16, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Boris has already said he's going in the Spring as he can't live on the PM's salary which is ?110k I believe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 15 December 2020 10:58 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. >> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>> Nebraska v NYc >>> Roger >>> >>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>>> ? >>>> Graeme Wall >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>> >>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>> KW >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>> >>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>> >>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Dec 15 08:19:26 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 14:19:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> Message-ID: <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> Merkel might be available! Hang on a mo ? who won the war anyway? The UK should have annexed Germany as a satellite state afterwards. Possibly France as well, which just gave up and lay down, belly up. After all, historically wars were fought to acquire land and power. Certainly Hitler would have taken over the UK, had the result have been different. Both the German and Japanese economies have succeeded better than the UK?s. I plead guilty, m?lud, as I have driven German built cars for years, and bought Japanese video and hi-fi equipment and professional gear from Germany and Austria. Thankfully, some stuff is British made! Best for Christmas ? if it happens! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 Sent: 15 December 2020 11:29 To: Alan Taylor Cc: Tech Ops List Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. Alan Taylor On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 wrote: ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). Alasdair Lawrance -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Dec 15 09:40:14 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 15:40:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> In article <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Merkel might be available! > Hang on a mo ? who won the war anyway? > The UK should have annexed Germany as a satellite state afterwards. > Possibly France as well, which just gave up and lay down, belly up. > After all, historically wars were fought to acquire land and power. > Certainly Hitler would have taken over the UK, had the result have been different. Ah - right. We fought to prevent tyranny so we could do just the same after winning? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From relong at btinternet.com Tue Dec 15 10:23:48 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:23:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34C9935B-33D4-4008-9D21-E88416735333@btinternet.com> The Right Hon Dominic Grieve,Chevalier of the Legion of Honour of the French Republic. Deselected by the Beaconsfield constituency after the whip was removed by the Conservative party for his continual blocking of Parliament during Brexit. Despite saying in his manifesto that' the decision of the electorate in the referendum must be respected and I will support a resoned process to give effect to it? he did not. He stood as an Independent and lost his seat in 2019 in a 75% turnout. Hardly an Honest Joe candidate Graham. Boris?s unenviable job is to Get Brexit Done, this may take years, if he succeeds he will have saved us from an Empire with Fedral intentions not too popular to Anglo Saxons, orders are dictated to the Provinces by an unelected bureaucrcy in Brussels. Is that talking sense? Roger > On 15 Dec 2020, at 11:43, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > Dominic Grieve would?ve been a good Honest Joe candidate in my opinion and it?s sad that he?d had enough of trying to talk sense into them and moved on. > > I think we?re saddled with the resident incumbent for a while yet, unless his fan base evaporates once the harsh reality of a no-deal kicks in. I?m no fan of his and we can but drea > > Geoff > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: 15 December 2020 11:29 > To: Alan Taylor > Cc: Tech Ops List > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. >>> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). >>> >>> Alasdair Lawrance >>> >>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>>> Nebraska v NYc >>>> Roger >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>>>> ? >>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>>> >>>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>>> KW >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>>> >>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>>> >>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>>>> ? >>>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidvbrunt at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 10:34:13 2020 From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:34:13 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brexit Re: Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com><93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com><5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1DD909EF24FE4E5999BF0917DB9C07DD@0023242e4e14> Just a request for clarification. Wasn't it agreed some months ago not to have posts on here about Brexit and politics? From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Dec 15 10:36:42 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:36:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fd8e61a.1c69fb81.9ec18.83b3@mx.google.com> But the UK would have been a benign tyranny! ?To the Victor ? the spoils? "To the victor belong the spoils. In a war or other contest, the winner gets the booty. The proverb originated in the United States and was first used in 1832 by Senator William Learned Marcy (1786-1857) of New York. 'The victor gets the spoils' and 'To the victor go the spoils' are variations of the proverb." Senator Marcy was quoted as saying, in 1832, "They (Democrats) see nothing wrong in the rule that to the victor belong the spoils of the enemy." From "Random House Dictionary of Popular Proverbs and Sayings" by Gregory Y. Titelman. Don?t think Nellie (Trump, trump, trump) qualifies! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 15 December 2020 15:50 To: Dave Plowman via Tech1 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... In article <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Merkel might be available! > Hang on a mo ? who won the war anyway? > The UK should have annexed Germany as a satellite state afterwards. > Possibly France as well, which just gave up and lay down, belly up. > After all, historically wars were fought to acquire land and power. > Certainly Hitler would have taken over the UK, had the result have been different. Ah - right. We fought to prevent tyranny so we could do just the same after winning? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Tue Dec 15 10:36:53 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:36:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <34C9935B-33D4-4008-9D21-E88416735333@btinternet.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> <34C9935B-33D4-4008-9D21-E88416735333@btinternet.com> Message-ID: In a one-word? response - *NO*. A co-operative approach to negotiations where the parties have a common interest is almost always to be preferred to a confrontational pitch. And if this email stream wasn't supposed to be non-political, I'd have put in a word for Dominic Grieve. Hugh On 15-Dec-20 4:23 PM, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > The Right Hon Dominic Grieve,Chevalier of the Legion of Honour of the > French Republic. > Deselected by the Beaconsfield constituency after the whip was removed > by the Conservative party ?for his continual blocking of Parliament > during Brexit. > Despite saying in his manifesto that' the decision of the electorate > in the referendum must be respected and I will support a resoned > process to give effect to it? ?he did not. > He stood as an Independent and lost his seat in 2019 in a 75% turnout. > Hardly an Honest Joe candidate Graham. > Boris?s unenviable job is to Get Brexit Done, this may take years, if > he succeeds he will have saved us from an Empire with Fedral > intentions not too popular to Anglo Saxons, orders are dictated ?to > the Provinces ?by an unelected ?bureaucrcy in Brussels. > Is that talking sense? > Roger > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 11:43, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 >> > wrote: >> >> Dominic Grieve would?ve been a good Honest Joe candidate in my >> opinion and it?s sad that he?d had enough of trying to talk sense >> into them and moved on. >> I think we?re saddled with the resident incumbent for a while yet, >> unless his fan base evaporates once the harsh reality of a no-deal >> kicks in. I?m no fan of his and we can but drea >> *Geoff* >> *From:*Tech1 > >*On Behalf Of*Alasdair Lawrance >> via Tech1 >> *Sent:*15 December 2020 11:29 >> *To:*Alan Taylor > >> *Cc:*Tech Ops List > >> *Subject:*Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >> Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for >> position..... >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> */Don?t blame me, I voted Remain./*/ >> / >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no >>>> reference to the electorate. >>>> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is >>>> correct). >>>> >>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>> >>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>>>> Nebraska v NYc >>>>> Roger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as >>>>>> such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political >>>>>> parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party >>>>>> leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at >>>>>> an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets >>>>>> to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote >>>>>> directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of >>>>>> the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The >>>>>> electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is >>>>>> designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between >>>>>> the states. >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little >>>>>>> brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president >>>>>>> is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the >>>>>>> superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party >>>>>>> leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote >>>>>>> for the PM. >>>>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote >>>>>>> for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or >>>>>>> Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it >>>>>>> seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ?? Oh! but they >>>>>>> do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>>>> To:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, >>>>>>> and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in >>>>>>> spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>>>> KW >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious >>>>>>>> for missing deadlines. >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 >>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. ?If the true >>>>>>>>>> intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, >>>>>>>>>> Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as >>>>>>>>>> failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to >>>>>>>>>> agree to a deal. ??He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who >>>>>>>>>> negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more >>>>>>>>>> compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants >>>>>>>>>> anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 >>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be >>>>>>>>>>> applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed >>>>>>>>>>> to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! >>>>>>>>>>> It didn?t ?seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 >>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the >>>>>>>>>>>> feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? >>>>>>>>>>>> There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but >>>>>>>>>>>> of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and >>>>>>>>>>>> on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible >>>>>>>>>>>> minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation >>>>>>>>>>>> and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the >>>>>>>>>>>> hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone >>>>>>>>>>>> will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - >>>>>>>>>>>> deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Dec 15 10:41:15 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:41:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brexit Re: Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <1DD909EF24FE4E5999BF0917DB9C07DD@0023242e4e14> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com><93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com><5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> <1DD909EF24FE4E5999BF0917DB9C07DD@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <5fd8e72b.1c69fb81.32f74.0629@mx.google.com> Possibly, David, but I?ve always considered this forum to resemble the tea bar conversations, therefore politics will inevitably raise its (ugly) head! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Brunt via Tech1 Sent: 15 December 2020 16:34 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Brexit Re: Is it me........... Just a request for clarification. Wasn't it agreed some months ago not to have posts on here about Brexit and politics? -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Tue Dec 15 10:48:05 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:48:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brexit Re: Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <1DD909EF24FE4E5999BF0917DB9C07DD@0023242e4e14> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> <1DD909EF24FE4E5999BF0917DB9C07DD@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <59714014-f089-7086-7b9a-236c1f5737ed@chriswoolf.co.uk> Well I think it will become impossible to obey that rule completely in a few weeks time, given that our lives may be altered so seriously that any other approach would become farcical. However the biased rants do need to be calmed down, and acquire at least a little rationality. It has been bad enough coping with the Trumpian distortions of truth for 4 years, without list members trying to outdo them. Chris Woolf On 15/12/2020 16:34, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > Just a request for clarification. > > Wasn't it agreed some months ago not to have posts on here about > Brexit and politics? > > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alawrance1 at me.com Tue Dec 15 10:49:45 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 16:49:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <34C9935B-33D4-4008-9D21-E88416735333@btinternet.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> <34C9935B-33D4-4008-9D21-E88416735333@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <909AA99D-8A7C-4072-AAEE-B70A0DB4DCB7@me.com> Roger - Ever heard of a thing called a 'veto'? Every member state has it, whether they choose to use it or not is a different kettle of horses. Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 15 Dec 2020, at 16:23, Roger E Long wrote: > > The Right Hon Dominic Grieve,Chevalier of the Legion of Honour of the French Republic. > Deselected by the Beaconsfield constituency after the whip was removed by the Conservative party for his continual blocking of Parliament during Brexit. > Despite saying in his manifesto that' the decision of the electorate in the referendum must be respected and I will support a resoned process to give effect to it? he did not. > He stood as an Independent and lost his seat in 2019 in a 75% turnout. > Hardly an Honest Joe candidate Graham. > Boris?s unenviable job is to Get Brexit Done, this may take years, if he succeeds he will have saved us from an Empire with Fedral intentions not too popular to Anglo Saxons, orders are dictated to the Provinces by an unelected bureaucrcy in Brussels. > Is that talking sense? > Roger > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 11:43, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Dominic Grieve would?ve been a good Honest Joe candidate in my opinion and it?s sad that he?d had enough of trying to talk sense into them and moved on. >> >> I think we?re saddled with the resident incumbent for a while yet, unless his fan base evaporates once the harsh reality of a no-deal kicks in. I?m no fan of his and we can but drea >> >> Geoff >> >> From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: 15 December 2020 11:29 >> To: Alan Taylor > >> Cc: Tech Ops List > >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >> >> Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. >>>> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). >>>> >>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>> >>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>>>> Nebraska v NYc >>>>> Roger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>>>> KW >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 15 Dec 2020, at 16:34, David Brunt via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Just a request for clarification. > > Wasn't it agreed some months ago not to have posts on here about Brexit and politics? > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 11:22:55 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 17:22:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brexit Re: Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> <1DD909EF24FE4E5999BF0917DB9C07DD@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <63df02eb-34df-0d9b-42df-d0b9d666edff@ntlworld.com> Moderator calling....... I wasn't as yet worrying, and I read every post.?? There's a tendency for people (no one here so far) to start attacking those who disagree, and at that point one has to call a halt. Constructive conversation seems a good thing, though I do think "Don't blame me I voted Remain" is distinctly pushing your luck. Brexit at the moment isn't political the usual sense - we did all that - so I was just listening. Anyone who starts slagging off Boris or any other politician of any hue - you know who you are - gets chopped. Do that on Facebook or wherever. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Dec 15 13:49:53 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 19:49:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Brexit Re: Is it me........... In-Reply-To: References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> <58df4e2036davesound@btinternet.com> <1DD909EF24FE4E5999BF0917DB9C07DD@0023242e4e14> Message-ID: <4a20ea1d-60dd-2810-0260-1c33ee75d698@gmail.com> Moderator calling....... I wasn't as yet worrying, and I read every post.?? There's a tendency for people (no one here so far) to start attacking those who disagree, and at that point one has to call a halt. Constructive conversation seems a good thing, though I do think "Don't blame me I voted Remain" is distinctly pushing your luck. Brexit at the moment isn't political the usual sense - we did all that - so I was just listening. Anyone who starts slagging off Boris or any other politician of any hue - you know who you are - gets chopped. Do that on Facebook or wherever. B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Tue Dec 15 17:02:41 2020 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 23:02:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <5fd8c5ef.1c69fb81.f6b15.5a75@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <14F99EDB-156C-4165-9FED-671E8B339B4B@me.com> The UK was in no position to annex anybody at the end of the 2nd World War. Without Marshall Aid we would have sunk without trace. Gart > On 15 Dec 2020, at 14:19, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Merkel might be available! > Hang on a mo ? who won the war anyway? > The UK should have annexed Germany as a satellite state afterwards. > Possibly France as well, which just gave up and lay down, belly up. > After all, historically wars were fought to acquire land and power. > Certainly Hitler would have taken over the UK, had the result have been different. > Both the German and Japanese economies have succeeded better than the UK?s. > I plead guilty, m?lud, as I have driven German built cars for years, > and bought Japanese video and hi-fi equipment and professional gear from Germany and Austria. > Thankfully, some stuff is British made! > > Best for Christmas ? if it happens! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > Sent: 15 December 2020 11:29 > To: Alan Taylor > Cc: Tech Ops List > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... > > Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > > I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. > > Alan Taylor > > On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. > Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). > > Alasdair Lawrance > > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tuckergarth at me.com Tue Dec 15 17:04:24 2020 From: tuckergarth at me.com (Garth Tucker) Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2020 23:04:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Is it me........... In-Reply-To: <34C9935B-33D4-4008-9D21-E88416735333@btinternet.com> References: <5D9EC9C2-A8A7-43D6-9F26-7C478C08D7DD@me.com> <93339D58-AAF2-49B1-88B3-4A6EDE0E9E74@me.com> <006801d6d2d7$7e245440$7a6cfcc0$@gmail.com> <34C9935B-33D4-4008-9D21-E88416735333@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <067E6CDB-2B61-4D5A-8D81-0CD8462AEABC@me.com> Not a lot Roger. G > On 15 Dec 2020, at 16:23, Roger E Long via Tech1 wrote: > > The Right Hon Dominic Grieve,Chevalier of the Legion of Honour of the French Republic. > Deselected by the Beaconsfield constituency after the whip was removed by the Conservative party for his continual blocking of Parliament during Brexit. > Despite saying in his manifesto that' the decision of the electorate in the referendum must be respected and I will support a resoned process to give effect to it? he did not. > He stood as an Independent and lost his seat in 2019 in a 75% turnout. > Hardly an Honest Joe candidate Graham. > Boris?s unenviable job is to Get Brexit Done, this may take years, if he succeeds he will have saved us from an Empire with Fedral intentions not too popular to Anglo Saxons, orders are dictated to the Provinces by an unelected bureaucrcy in Brussels. > Is that talking sense? > Roger > >> On 15 Dec 2020, at 11:43, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> Dominic Grieve would?ve been a good Honest Joe candidate in my opinion and it?s sad that he?d had enough of trying to talk sense into them and moved on. >> >> I think we?re saddled with the resident incumbent for a while yet, unless his fan base evaporates once the harsh reality of a no-deal kicks in. I?m no fan of his and we can but drea >> >> Geoff >> >> From: Tech1 > On Behalf Of Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 >> Sent: 15 December 2020 11:29 >> To: Alan Taylor > >> Cc: Tech Ops List > >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >> >> Agreed, although I hesitate to think who might be jostling for position..... >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> I expect there will be another such change of PM in a few months too. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:54, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ?It's also how we can have a change of Prime Minister with no reference to the electorate. >>>> Blair to Brown, Cameron to May, May to Johnson. (If my memory is correct). >>>> >>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>> >>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 15 Dec 2020, at 09:47, Roger E Long via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Its sort of London Weighting in reverse. >>>>> Nebraska v NYc >>>>> Roger >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Not at all like our system. We don?t vote for a prime minister as such. We vote for individual MPs who are members of political parties. Each party has its own method of choosing a party leader. Whichever party commands the greatest number of seats at an election gets to form the government and the party leader gets to be prime minister. In the US the electroate gets to vote directly for the president who is not necessarily the leader of the majority party in either the Senate or Congress. The electoral college looks strange from our perspective but it is designed to correct what is percieved to be an imbalance between the states. >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 19:31, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe someone could explain ? very simply ? to a bear of little brain ? like me! As to whether the election of the US president is similar to our system of electing the UK Prime Minister. >>>>>>> As I understand, in the UK, it?s the party which polls the superior number of constituencies, and therefore that party leader becomes PM. We, the electorate do not have a direct vote for the PM. >>>>>>> It seems that in the USA, the various States do actually vote for the person standing, or is it that they vote Democratic or Republican and the figurehead of that party gets the vote. So it seems pretty similar to our constituency system? >>>>>>> Maybe they do not have the Monster Raving Loony ? Oh! but they do ? he?s currently in the White House. >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Garth Tucker via Tech1 >>>>>>> Sent: 14 December 2020 17:24 >>>>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Is it me........... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Was Mr Johnson the journalist not sacked for making up copy? Garth >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 09:58, Keith Wicks via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Boris worked as a journalist for The Daily Telegraph from 1989, and was the Spectator's magazine editor from 1999 to 2005, in spite of becoming an MP in 2001. >>>>>>> KW >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 08:51, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>> Boris a journalist? Really? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Alasdair Lawrance >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:35, Graeme Wall via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ?Someone pointed out that, as a jounalist, Boris was notorious for missing deadlines. >>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 14 Dec 2020, at 07:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oven-ready, that is! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:33, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>> Boris wants to be the giver of good news. If the true intention of these meetings was to walk away without a deal, Boris wouldn?t go there, as a no deal would be seen as failure. The fact he went there shows that he intends to agree to a deal. He wishes to be portrayed as the guy who negotiated an amazing deal against all odds. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> There are even people who will fall for it too and the more compliant elements of the press will spin it the way he wants anyway. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 22:25, Mike Giles via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>> My sentiments entirely - I think Boris expects to be applauded as a hero when ?the deal? is done. It was supposed to be open-ready, but I think by now they?ve overcooked it! It didn?t seem very appetising to me in the first place. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mike G >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 13 Dec 2020, at 20:26, techtone via Tech1 > wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>> .......simply being cynical, but does anyone else get the feeling that these Brexit 'negotiations' are stage managed? There's a simply rotten deal all set and ready to go, but of necessity it's a complete bodge full of compromise, and on New Year's Eve it will be announced at the last possible minute and hailed as a triumph of international cooperation and successful diplomacy, whilst the following day when the hangovers rebound around the UK and the continent, everyone will complain and pick holes etc. but it's 1st January - deal done, Brexit, tough luck. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Dec 16 06:50:39 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 12:50:39 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] On a completely different note In-Reply-To: <1f400126-fe18-b28e-6329-7f416e0533c9@gmail.com> References: <1f400126-fe18-b28e-6329-7f416e0533c9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58dfc2704bdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <1f400126-fe18-b28e-6329-7f416e0533c9 at gmail.com>, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > I just bought myself a Christmas present. This was in an ad on Facebook > - I avoid those links, but they have led me to things I like, by just > pasting the title into Google. Though the advertiser doesn't gain, I > suppose that's targeted advertising working. > Anyway, I couldn't resist this - https://youtu.be/Ddts79-LyuI If I see something I like on FB, I go to Ebay to find similar. At a lot less cost. I don't feel in the least guilty about this. The one time I've been conned was with a FB ad - not for much money, but a warning. I paid by PayPal, and neither they or FB were any real help. At least with Ebay, if you do have a problem when buying from them, they help out. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Wed Dec 16 07:34:55 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 13:34:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] On a completely different note In-Reply-To: <58dfc2704bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58dfc2704bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: If I see something on Amazon, or indeed anywhere where I can?t buy locally, I always look to see if the same item can be found cheaper on eBay and that?s often the case, sometimes by quite a margin too. I never pay by PayPal, always via a credit card because it?s easier to resolve issues directly with the credit card company, although I haven?t had any problems with eBay purchases. Some of the small traders selling via eBay are actually small independently owned bricks and mortar stores which also sell online in order to justify stocking specialist items which wouldn?t sell locally in worthwhile quantities. There?s quite an art to searching for specialised hardware when you don?t know whether it even exists, or what it might be called. In the summer I needed some M5 threaded fittings with an integrated universal joint and eventually found an aerospace supplier selling exactly what I needed very cheaply. Similarly when my wife wanted a hanging rack in the kitchen, I made it out of salvaged strips of oak for the frame and a scrapped IKEA stainless steel shelf for the hanging rails. I wanted stainless steel fittings to suspend it from the beams in the kitchen and discovered some suitable items intended for use on boats. The end result looks quite professional with all the metalwork matching in proportions and finish. Alan Taylor > On 16 Dec 2020, at 12:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <1f400126-fe18-b28e-6329-7f416e0533c9 at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I just bought myself a Christmas present. This was in an ad on Facebook >> - I avoid those links, but they have led me to things I like, by just >> pasting the title into Google. Though the advertiser doesn't gain, I >> suppose that's targeted advertising working. > >> Anyway, I couldn't resist this - https://youtu.be/Ddts79-LyuI > > If I see something I like on FB, I go to Ebay to find similar. At a lot > less cost. > > I don't feel in the least guilty about this. The one time I've been conned > was with a FB ad - not for much money, but a warning. I paid by PayPal, > and neither they or FB were any real help. > At least with Ebay, if you do have a problem when buying from them, they > help out. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Dec 16 08:25:27 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:25:27 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Fw: On a completely different note Message-ID: <6A900E6EB85F40428666343F82334E6A@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> -----Original Message----- From: David Newbitt Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 2:10 PM To: Alan Taylor Subject: Re: [Tech1] On a completely different note ".......intended for use on boats." There seem to be less chandlers shops than was once the case but they invariably offered hardware that was suitable for purpose at a time when other sources fell abysmally short. Many years ago in a chandlers shop in Fleetwood I was attracted by, of all things, a superb brass ash-tray. It was in the form of a compass and family and friends present put up formidable opposition on the grounds they couldn't be expected to live with the sight of me constantly adjusting the 'N' engraving to point true North. The old phrase 'to see ourselves as others see us' comes to mind. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 1:34 PM To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] On a completely different note If I see something on Amazon, or indeed anywhere where I can?t buy locally, I always look to see if the same item can be found cheaper on eBay and that?s often the case, sometimes by quite a margin too. I never pay by PayPal, always via a credit card because it?s easier to resolve issues directly with the credit card company, although I haven?t had any problems with eBay purchases. Some of the small traders selling via eBay are actually small independently owned bricks and mortar stores which also sell online in order to justify stocking specialist items which wouldn?t sell locally in worthwhile quantities. There?s quite an art to searching for specialised hardware when you don?t know whether it even exists, or what it might be called. In the summer I needed some M5 threaded fittings with an integrated universal joint and eventually found an aerospace supplier selling exactly what I needed very cheaply. Similarly when my wife wanted a hanging rack in the kitchen, I made it out of salvaged strips of oak for the frame and a scrapped IKEA stainless steel shelf for the hanging rails. I wanted stainless steel fittings to suspend it from the beams in the kitchen and discovered some suitable items intended for use on boats. The end result looks quite professional with all the metalwork matching in proportions and finish. Alan Taylor > On 16 Dec 2020, at 12:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?In article <1f400126-fe18-b28e-6329-7f416e0533c9 at gmail.com>, > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> I just bought myself a Christmas present. This was in an ad on Facebook >> - I avoid those links, but they have led me to things I like, by just >> pasting the title into Google. Though the advertiser doesn't gain, I >> suppose that's targeted advertising working. > >> Anyway, I couldn't resist this - https://youtu.be/Ddts79-LyuI > > If I see something I like on FB, I go to Ebay to find similar. At a lot > less cost. > > I don't feel in the least guilty about this. The one time I've been conned > was with a FB ad - not for much money, but a warning. I paid by PayPal, > and neither they or FB were any real help. > At least with Ebay, if you do have a problem when buying from them, they > help out. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Dec 16 08:27:03 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:27:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] On a completely different note In-Reply-To: References: <58dfc2704bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fda1937.1c69fb81.19c28.984d@mx.google.com> Hi Alan and all, One of my credit cards is a bank issued Mastercard. I received a message from my bank, that they had detected some suspicious activity. As I have Internet Banking, I interrogated that account, and sure enough, there was a transaction posted from Amazon Retail. Highly suspicious as I only use Amex for Amazon purchases. The bank took it up, cancelled the Mastercard and sent me a new one within three days ? Amazon refunded the fake transaction amount. I?m well pleased with my bank. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 16 December 2020 13:35 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] On a completely different note If I see something on Amazon, or indeed anywhere where I can?t buy locally, I always look to see if the same item can be found cheaper on eBay and that?s often the case, sometimes by quite a margin too. I never pay by PayPal, always via a credit card because it?s easier to resolve issues directly with the credit card company, although I haven?t had any problems with eBay purchases. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Dec 16 08:20:14 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:20:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] On a completely different note In-Reply-To: References: <58dfc2704bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58dfcaa2cddavesound@btinternet.com> In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > If I see something on Amazon, or indeed anywhere where I can?t buy > locally, I always look to see if the same item can be found cheaper on > eBay and that?s often the case, sometimes by quite a margin too. Indeed. > I never pay by PayPal, always via a credit card because it?s easier to > resolve issues directly with the credit card company, although I haven?t > had any problems with eBay purchases. PayPal is handy in that all you have to do is enter your password (which I don't keep on anything electronic, in the same way as I don't with my banking ones) So more convenient than entering credit card details. I'm not sure how helpful a credit card company would be in resolving a purchase under the limit where they law forces them to - and most of my PayPal transactions come in well under this. So saying, it's Ebay who sorts out the problem and then tells PayPal to do the refund - if a dispute gets that far. > Some of the small traders selling via eBay are actually small > independently owned bricks and mortar stores which also sell online in > order to justify stocking specialist items which wouldn?t sell locally > in worthwhile quantities. It's odd. I use EuroCarParts for some car spares. They have a convenient branch for pickups. They seem to price things differently on counter sales, their own web sales, and Ebay. Ebay always being the best. Although a voucher offer may bring down their web price to about the same. I'd guess with universal things like car batteries the ability to compare prices from various sellers of the same thing on Ebay means they have to offer their best price there. Other thing with PayPal is the amount the seller is charged. My Rover car club uses it for membership as it is cheaper than a merchant credit card account - or paying in a cheque to a business account. As well as convenient for those who use PayPal. > There?s quite an art to searching for specialised hardware when you > don?t know whether it even exists, or what it might be called. In the > summer I needed some M5 threaded fittings with an integrated universal > joint and eventually found an aerospace supplier selling exactly what I > needed very cheaply. Similarly when my wife wanted a hanging rack in the > kitchen, I made it out of salvaged strips of oak for the frame and a > scrapped IKEA stainless steel shelf for the hanging rails. I wanted > stainless steel fittings to suspend it from the beams in the kitchen and > discovered some suitable items intended for use on boats. The end > result looks quite professional with all the metalwork matching in > proportions and finish. Good work. Can be fun searching out things. One thing that does annoy is the Ebay search. Seems impossible to limit it to what you actually want. But no different to google etc in that respect. > Alan Taylor > > On 16 Dec 2020, at 12:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 > > wrote: > > > > #In article <1f400126-fe18-b28e-6329-7f416e0533c9 at gmail.com>, > > Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > >> I just bought myself a Christmas present. This was in an ad on Facebook > >> - I avoid those links, but they have led me to things I like, by just > >> pasting the title into Google. Though the advertiser doesn't gain, I > >> suppose that's targeted advertising working. > > > >> Anyway, I couldn't resist this - https://youtu.be/Ddts79-LyuI > > > > If I see something I like on FB, I go to Ebay to find similar. At a lot > > less cost. > > > > I don't feel in the least guilty about this. The one time I've been conned > > was with a FB ad - not for much money, but a warning. I paid by PayPal, > > and neither they or FB were any real help. > > At least with Ebay, if you do have a problem when buying from them, they > > help out. > > > > -- > > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailin -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Wed Dec 16 08:39:32 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:39:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] On a completely different note In-Reply-To: <2569DF1850BB4234B7D3876A21B17EBF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <2569DF1850BB4234B7D3876A21B17EBF@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: Living close to the centre of England, chandlers have always been a bit thin on the ground around here, so ordering online is a great solution. It?s amazing how many people have created niche businesses via eBay. There?s a chap in Wiltshire who sells more types of magnets than you ever thought possible. I get short lengths of aluminium or brass from another supplier and quite close to me in Stratford upon Avon is a company selling spices. They can often supply even the most unusual ingredients and are another of those businesses which have a real bricks and mortar store you can pop in to or otherwise buy via Mail order. I?m very keen on these operations, while at the same time feeling very negative towards Amazon. Amazon threaten independent local businesses, while eBay often provides another string to the bow for independent traders. These traders are small, local businesses, just not local to where I live. Alan Taylor > On 16 Dec 2020, at 14:10, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?".......intended for use on boats." There seem to be less chandlers shops than was once the case but they invariably offered hardware that was suitable for purpose at a time when other sources fell abysmally short. Many years ago in a chandlers shop in Fleetwood I was attracted by, of all things, a superb brass ash-tray. It was in the form of a compass and family and friends present put up formidable opposition on the grounds they couldn't be expected to live with the sight of me constantly adjusting the 'N' engraving to point true North. The old phrase 'to see ourselves as others see us' comes to mind. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 1:34 PM > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] On a completely different note > > If I see something on Amazon, or indeed anywhere where I can?t buy locally, I always look to see if the same item can be found cheaper on eBay and that?s often the case, sometimes by quite a margin too. > > I never pay by PayPal, always via a credit card because it?s easier to resolve issues directly with the credit card company, although I haven?t had any problems with eBay purchases. > > Some of the small traders selling via eBay are actually small independently owned bricks and mortar stores which also sell online in order to justify stocking specialist items which wouldn?t sell locally in worthwhile quantities. > > There?s quite an art to searching for specialised hardware when you don?t know whether it even exists, or what it might be called. In the summer I needed some M5 threaded fittings with an integrated universal joint and eventually found an aerospace supplier selling exactly what I needed very cheaply. Similarly when my wife wanted a hanging rack in the kitchen, I made it out of salvaged strips of oak for the frame and a scrapped IKEA stainless steel shelf for the hanging rails. I wanted stainless steel fittings to suspend it from the beams in the kitchen and discovered some suitable items intended for use on boats. The end result looks quite professional with all the metalwork matching in proportions and finish. > > Alan Taylor > > > >>> On 16 Dec 2020, at 12:59, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?In article <1f400126-fe18-b28e-6329-7f416e0533c9 at gmail.com>, >>> Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> I just bought myself a Christmas present. This was in an ad on Facebook >>> - I avoid those links, but they have led me to things I like, by just >>> pasting the title into Google. Though the advertiser doesn't gain, I >>> suppose that's targeted advertising working. >> >>> Anyway, I couldn't resist this - https://youtu.be/Ddts79-LyuI >> >> If I see something I like on FB, I go to Ebay to find similar. At a lot >> less cost. >> >> I don't feel in the least guilty about this. The one time I've been conned >> was with a FB ad - not for much money, but a warning. I paid by PayPal, >> and neither they or FB were any real help. >> At least with Ebay, if you do have a problem when buying from them, they >> help out. >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From david.jasma at sky.com Thu Dec 17 13:36:13 2020 From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 19:36:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] can anyone help, please References: <6953f7a4-a122-b9c6-3371-895896532a12.ref@sky.com> Message-ID: <6953f7a4-a122-b9c6-3371-895896532a12@sky.com> Many years ago, I made up an adaptor lead consisting of an XLR female free connector to 3.5mm jack plug to enable me to connect a mic to the input of a portable minidisc recorder. Inside the XLR I had to squeeze two capacitors to stop the volts from unit getting to the mic and being being shorted. I know the wiring, but cannot now remember the value of the capacitors. (Note I want the info so that I can connect to a small HD camera, I don't use MD any more!) Many thanks, Dave Buckley -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 14:18:47 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 20:18:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] can anyone help, please In-Reply-To: <6953f7a4-a122-b9c6-3371-895896532a12@sky.com> References: <6953f7a4-a122-b9c6-3371-895896532a12.ref@sky.com> <6953f7a4-a122-b9c6-3371-895896532a12@sky.com> Message-ID: I've just opened up the Beachtek Box I've had since 1996 or so.? 2x XLR to 3.5mm jack with level controls and line/mic switches.?? No capacitors, there are two MCI-3196 black boxes, which I think are transformers. B On 17/12/2020 19:36, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: > Many years ago, I made up an adaptor lead consisting of an XLR female > free connector to 3.5mm jack plug to enable me to connect a mic to the > input of a portable minidisc recorder. Inside the XLR I had to squeeze > two capacitors to stop the volts from unit getting to the mic and > being being shorted. > > I know the wiring, but cannot now remember the value of the > capacitors. (Note I want the info so that I can connect to a small HD > camera, I don't use MD any more!) > > Many thanks, > > Dave Buckley > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Thu Dec 17 15:20:24 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 21:20:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] can anyone help, please In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don?t know the optimum value for your setup, but my empirical approach would be to start off using 0.1?f with the capacitors soldered in, but temporarily hanging in the air. Have a listen to it using the mic you use and judge how the bass response sounds. If the bass is attenuated, try using capacitors much bigger, such as small electrolytics. Once the bread-boarded botch sounds OK, you can think about how to properly put the bits into an XLR shell. You will know the values that work and might need to source miniaturised versions to squeeze them in. Alan Taylor > On 17 Dec 2020, at 20:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? I've just opened up the Beachtek Box I've had since 1996 or so. 2x XLR to 3.5mm jack with level controls and line/mic switches. No capacitors, there are two MCI-3196 black boxes, which I think are transformers. > > B > > > > On 17/12/2020 19:36, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: >> Many years ago, I made up an adaptor lead consisting of an XLR female free connector to 3.5mm jack plug to enable me to connect a mic to the input of a portable minidisc recorder. Inside the XLR I had to squeeze two capacitors to stop the volts from unit getting to the mic and being being shorted. >> >> I know the wiring, but cannot now remember the value of the capacitors. (Note I want the info so that I can connect to a small HD camera, I don't use MD any more!) >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Dave Buckley >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Dec 17 15:46:54 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 21:46:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] can anyone help, please In-Reply-To: References: <6953f7a4-a122-b9c6-3371-895896532a12.ref@sky.com> <6953f7a4-a122-b9c6-3371-895896532a12@sky.com>, Message-ID: First question is: - what type of microphone is it? And if dynamic, maybe it would be worth investing in an electret. You might be surprised what?s out there that would be a better impedance match and better noise, polar and frequency response etc., without going to great expense. And, do you want a mono mic to both channels or two separate XLR?s into one 3.5mm jack. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 17 Dec 2020, at 20:19, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? I've just opened up the Beachtek Box I've had since 1996 or so. 2x XLR to 3.5mm jack with level controls and line/mic switches. No capacitors, there are two MCI-3196 black boxes, which I think are transformers. B On 17/12/2020 19:36, Dave Buckley via Tech1 wrote: Many years ago, I made up an adaptor lead consisting of an XLR female free connector to 3.5mm jack plug to enable me to connect a mic to the input of a portable minidisc recorder. Inside the XLR I had to squeeze two capacitors to stop the volts from unit getting to the mic and being being shorted. I know the wiring, but cannot now remember the value of the capacitors. (Note I want the info so that I can connect to a small HD camera, I don't use MD any more!) Many thanks, Dave Buckley -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j at howell61.f9.co.uk Thu Dec 17 15:50:15 2020 From: j at howell61.f9.co.uk (John Howell) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 21:50:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Meccano In-Reply-To: <87AA4255-7176-4CA0-9F95-2FB0ADE96ECA@me.com> References: <60645BAE-75BD-4768-A3FE-4591B2AF6D10@me.com> <87AA4255-7176-4CA0-9F95-2FB0ADE96ECA@me.com> Message-ID: <48c5b455-094d-382f-382d-c0fb67641dd9@howell61.f9.co.uk> Anorak Time ! Meccano was 5/32 BSW (British Standard Whitworh) a coarser thread than 4 BA. John H. On 28/09/2020 13:0t, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I think you?re right about the funny hole spacing. ?From memory, they > were on a half inch pitch, but some gear combinations required non > standard spacing. The other way to accommodate strange spacing was to > arrange triangular structures so that holes could be at the > appropriate pitch. > > My old Meccano set was borrowed by my younger brother when he had > children. ?They didn?t show any interest in it and after a few years > he disposed of it because it was taking up too much room, which really > pissed me off. > > Bit of trivia - I was told by an uncle who used to fly Lysander > aircraft during the war that the entire tailplane assembled was > fastened to the fuselage by three aviation grade 4 BA bolts. ?Meccano > users might recall that the nuts and bolts were 4 BA. ?I think I?d be > a bit wary about an aircraft if I knew that such an important part was > only held on by posh versions of Meccano bolts, but he insisted that > they were entirely appropriate for the task and that you wouldn?t want > to use anything heavier so far away from the centre of gravity. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 28 Sep 2020, at 12:45, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: >> >> ? Another Meccano aficionado, and that plus Dinky toys was my world >> for quite some time. >> >> (From memory). ?Why did the holes in the large clockwork motor frame >> not match up in pitch or diameter with the standard pieces? ?Was it >> meant to be part of the 'gears ' accessory outfit? >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> /*Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.* >> / >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 12:22, David Newbitt via Tech1 >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Throughout my boyhood Meccano was my favourite pastime by a mile. I >>> started with a No.5 set, my main Christmas present when I was five. >>> I remember effort number one was a flange plate, two spindles/axles >>> and 4 rubber tyred wheels. I proudly trudged up the road to my pal?s >>> house clutching this masterpiece to find that he too had been given >>> Meccano but a much larger set which his father had already converted >>> into a huge gantry crane which articulated, jibbed, raised and >>> lowered its block and tackle etc. etc. One of my earliest >>> recollections of feeling utterly crushed! >>> The following year saw my version upgraded to a No 6 set, but >>> thereafter I concentrated more on acquiring things like motors and >>> gears. The gears fascinated me with straight cut, bevel, helical, >>> worm, contrate etc. and I used to construct things like >>> differentials so that I understood from quite a young age how such >>> things worked. Gear reduction trains to achieve increasing torque >>> were another obsession as I attempted to get a simple wheeled >>> platform up ever steepening gradients, learning along the way that >>> frictional losses meant there was a limit to how far you could push >>> the idea. >>> In my early teens we lived a few doors from a terminally ill lad and >>> my mother persuaded me that it would be a wonderful gesture to give >>> him my Meccano. Like some other expansive gestures I look back on, I >>> wonder if I got it right! >>> Would have envied your No 9 set Alan, a proud possession indeed. >>> There is currently an unused No 10 set on ebay at ?8,699. How?s the >>> bank balance looking! >>> Dave Newbitt >>> *From:* Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>> *Sent:* Monday, September 28, 2020 11:15 AM >>> *To:* Tech-Ops-chit-chat >>> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Meccano >>> My proudest Meccano achievement was when I completed the walking >>> dragline crane, which is shown on many covers of manuals.? Many >>> years later I was driving through Northamptonshire and had to stop >>> the car, turn round and check whether my eyes were deceiving me.? It >>> was the real thing and looked remarkably similar to the thing I >>> toiled so hard to build.? My wife ( at that time ) was distinctly >>> unimpressed. >>> Prompted by Albert?s fascinating pictures, I found a site which was >>> a collection of Meccano manuals, but I didn?t spot any with the >>> little B&M mark which my dad used to point out to me, but they seem >>> to contain the same projects. >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 09:40, Albert Barber >>>> > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 28 Sep 2020, at 07:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> When I was a kid, I loved Meccano and ended up buying a second >>>>> hand number 9 kit and the getting lots of extra parts.? The secret >>>>> weapon amongst all this stuff was a complete set of instruction >>>>> manuals, including some that were printed for special display >>>>> projects. >>>>> >>>>> The reason why I was able to get those manuals was because my dad >>>>> was a compositor at a printing? company which had the contract for >>>>> making all those manuals.? If you encounter an original Meccano? >>>>> instruction manual from the 1950s and look at the bit that we? >>>>> might call the closing credits, you should find the letters B&M, >>>>> which stood for Balding & Mansell.? I was very disappointed that >>>>> B&M didn?t also have the contract for printing the monthly Meccano >>>>> magazine.? This was because monthly magazines required a different >>>>> printing process with a specialised workflow. >>>>> >>>>> Alan Taylor >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 22:03, Graeme Wall via Tech1 >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> ?Somehow Lego doesn?t work quite so well? >>>>>> ? >>>>>> Graeme Wall >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Sep 2020, at 21:59, Albert Barber via Tech1 >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Found this the other day AB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jccglass at gmail.com Thu Dec 17 15:51:58 2020 From: jccglass at gmail.com (Chris on gmail) Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 21:51:58 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] can anyone help, please References: Message-ID: <2EE2B407A9DD4952AB08BBEE366E7B66@dell9100> time for the 50 50 60 rough and ready rule mf/ ohms/ cps / all intercahngable 50 mf at 60 cps has impeadnace 50 ohms cross multiply for variations 5mf at 20cps has 1.5k imepedance i would expect camera input load would be around 2kohms represented mainly by the resister supplying the volts probable around 3 volts so a 12v working cap should do put a 10k-22kohm on the mic side to earth to prevent surge if you connect adapter first before the mics chris From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 17 18:38:22 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 00:38:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. Message-ID: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get lumbered with everything. The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Fri Dec 18 01:54:55 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 07:54:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Years before Coronavirus was a concern, I was working fir a couple of years on a series with multiple commentators, of which one was obsessive over hygiene. He was particularly concerned about immediately passing a lip mic from one commentator to another. Some of you may have encountered other commentators who for similar reasons turn up with their own lip mic and swap it for the original one. I got a food-safe antibacterial disinfectant and decanted it into small spray bottles which were used to spray the lip mics, leave them for a minute or two, and then wipe them with a wet wipe. This was done at the start of every day and at every changeover, including after a brief test by any of the sound crew or floor manager. The routine was that as soon as a lip mic got put down, it was sanitised ready for the next user. Wherever possible, we would use the A and B channels of the commentary unit alternately so that microphones were left for an hour or more between users. Headsets were similarly disinfected, as were any generic earpieces. I've carried one of those sprays with me ever since and have used them routinely on other shows. Such a spray would work well with stick mics, personal mics and radio mics. Look for a food-safe surface disinfectant. If it doesn't come in a container which produces a fine spray, you may need to decant it into a container which does. You might already have a suitable product in your kitchen. I'm not aware of such substances posing a risk to microphones or radio gear when used in this manner. Squirting the spray on a tissue and wiping over control knobs, faders and switches should be OK too. Making good use of any spare mics to extend the intervals between one person using it and the next might also help if the changeover is on the same day. You might like to work out a simple procedure to sanitise batteries too if they are handled by multiple people. Alan Taylor On 18 Dec 2020, at 18 Dec . 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get > lumbered with everything. > > The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the > safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Fri Dec 18 03:27:03 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 09:27:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: References: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <4e454870-c710-ab47-d4f0-d01a1b7cf972@btinternet.com> And I've expressly outlined to the local Village Hall NOT to spray the mics with anti-Covid disinfectant, but to spray a clean tissue-wipe and use that. Isn't getting spray through the mesh a no-no? We also cheap windshields just once and throw them away. Hugh On 18-Dec-20 7:54 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > Years before Coronavirus was a concern, I was working fir a couple of years on a series with multiple commentators, of which one was obsessive over hygiene. He was particularly concerned about immediately passing a lip mic from one commentator to another. Some of you may have encountered other commentators who for similar reasons turn up with their own lip mic and swap it for the original one. > > I got a food-safe antibacterial disinfectant and decanted it into small spray bottles which were used to spray the lip mics, leave them for a minute or two, and then wipe them with a wet wipe. This was done at the start of every day and at every changeover, including after a brief test by any of the sound crew or floor manager. The routine was that as soon as a lip mic got put down, it was sanitised ready for the next user. Wherever possible, we would use the A and B channels of the commentary unit alternately so that microphones were left for an hour or more between users. Headsets were similarly disinfected, as were any generic earpieces. > > I've carried one of those sprays with me ever since and have used them routinely on other shows. Such a spray would work well with stick mics, personal mics and radio mics. > > Look for a food-safe surface disinfectant. If it doesn't come in a container which produces a fine spray, you may need to decant it into a container which does. You might already have a suitable product in your kitchen. > > I'm not aware of such substances posing a risk to microphones or radio gear when used in this manner. Squirting the spray on a tissue and wiping over control knobs, faders and switches should be OK too. > Making good use of any spare mics to extend the intervals between one person using it and the next might also help if the changeover is on the same day. You might like to work out a simple procedure to sanitise batteries too if they are handled by multiple people. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > On 18 Dec 2020, at 18 Dec . 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > >> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >> lumbered with everything. >> >> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >> >> -- >> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Dec 18 04:36:52 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 10:36:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <4e454870-c710-ab47-d4f0-d01a1b7cf972@btinternet.com> References: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> <4e454870-c710-ab47-d4f0-d01a1b7cf972@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <7C564459-E15D-4FF6-82A6-1B560792468E@me.com> The procedure I explained for lip mics took was because those microphones have an ultra fine gauze blast shields on the front and top. I would avoid spraying an electret or condenser microphone, but wouldn't expect any issues with carefully spraying a dynamic or ribbon microphone. Spraying onto a clean tissue and then wiping the microphone would be the safer way for non-technical people to deal with typical types of mics used in churches. We rejected that for lip mics because the fine metal gauze traps particles of saliva and it needed a decent amount of cleaner to shift the crud, the process of disinfecting, waiting and then wiping worked well. Between the first two shows of the series I borrowed three well used lip mics and my wife used a medical UV lamp to check them over before and after cleaning. We tried different sanitising ideas before settling on the one I described. It does need a proper medical UV lamp with longer wavelengths, used in a very dark room to see it fluoresce. I imagine that the cheap note-checking black lights might not do the job. Sanitising lip mics is an extreme case because of the way that commentators shout into them at very close range while also pressing the spacer bar to their top lip. The same applies to headsets and earpieces, which have prolonged close contact with the body. Hand held or clipped-on microphones would not pose anything like so much of a risk, so wiping them with a tissue sprayed with disinfectant would be perfectly effective and unlikely to affect the microphone. Using individual colour-coded windshields for each user might be an alternative to disposing of them after each use, but they would still need sanitising after each use. You could try washing foam windshields inside a zipped "smalls bag" along with your laundry, but they might need need a few days in a warm place to fully dry out afterwards - no tumble drying! Different open-cell foam materials behave in different ways, some seem quite resilient, while others ( especially some expensive ones ) turn to powder all by themselves. Alan Taylor On 18 Dec 2020, at 18 Dec . 09:27, Hugh Sheppard wrote: > And I've expressly outlined to the local Village Hall NOT to spray the mics with anti-Covid disinfectant, but to spray a clean tissue-wipe and use that. Isn't getting spray through the mesh a no-no? We also cheap windshields just once and throw them away. > > Hugh > > On 18-Dec-20 7:54 AM, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> Years before Coronavirus was a concern, I was working fir a couple of years on a series with multiple commentators, of which one was obsessive over hygiene. He was particularly concerned about immediately passing a lip mic from one commentator to another. Some of you may have encountered other commentators who for similar reasons turn up with their own lip mic and swap it for the original one. >> >> I got a food-safe antibacterial disinfectant and decanted it into small spray bottles which were used to spray the lip mics, leave them for a minute or two, and then wipe them with a wet wipe. This was done at the start of every day and at every changeover, including after a brief test by any of the sound crew or floor manager. The routine was that as soon as a lip mic got put down, it was sanitised ready for the next user. Wherever possible, we would use the A and B channels of the commentary unit alternately so that microphones were left for an hour or more between users. Headsets were similarly disinfected, as were any generic earpieces. >> >> I've carried one of those sprays with me ever since and have used them routinely on other shows. Such a spray would work well with stick mics, personal mics and radio mics. >> >> Look for a food-safe surface disinfectant. If it doesn't come in a container which produces a fine spray, you may need to decant it into a container which does. You might already have a suitable product in your kitchen. >> >> I'm not aware of such substances posing a risk to microphones or radio gear when used in this manner. Squirting the spray on a tissue and wiping over control knobs, faders and switches should be OK too. >> Making good use of any spare mics to extend the intervals between one person using it and the next might also help if the changeover is on the same day. You might like to work out a simple procedure to sanitise batteries too if they are handled by multiple people. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 18 Dec . 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> >>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >>> lumbered with everything. >>> >>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >>> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>> >>> -- >>> Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Fri Dec 18 06:19:22 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 12:19:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. Think of it a PPE for the mic. Chris Woolf On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get > lumbered with everything. > > The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the > safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From alanaudio at me.com Fri Dec 18 10:48:28 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 16:48:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> Message-ID: <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. Alan Taylor > On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. > > Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. > > Think of it a PPE for the mic. > > Chris Woolf > > >> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >> lumbered with everything. >> >> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >> > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Fri Dec 18 13:34:41 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 19:34:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk>, <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> Message-ID: No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. Feel free to debate! Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. > > Alan Taylor > > >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >> >> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >> >> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >> >> Chris Woolf >> >> >>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >>> lumbered with everything. >>> >>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >>> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Dec 18 14:20:15 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 20:20:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> Message-ID: <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> I thought condoms were the approved method, but possibly not in church! ? Graeme Wall > On 18 Dec 2020, at 19:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. > Feel free to debate! > > Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >>> >>> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >>> >>> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >>>> lumbered with everything. >>>> >>>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >>>> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 15:22:18 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 21:22:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> References: <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> Message-ID: I heard a story once about a sound assistant being sent to record an effect of someone in the shower, who had the bright idea of using one of those to shield the mic. and a lady who offered to help, either with fitting it or doing the acting - or maybe both. If anyone tries it now, I hope they use an non-lubricated one, Geoff Geoff > On 18 Dec 2020, at 20:20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > > ?I thought condoms were the approved method, but possibly not in church! > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 19:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. >> Feel free to debate! >> >> Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >>>> >>>> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >>>> >>>> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >>>>> lumbered with everything. >>>>> >>>>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >>>>> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Dec 18 15:37:27 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 21:37:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> Message-ID: <5fdd2117.1c69fb81.d8012.5f8d@mx.google.com> Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. Using a Sennheiser MKH 125, their lavalier personal mic of the day, see attached photo, there is a raised rim around the diaphragm. Stretching cling film, tightly, over it and swathing it in Blutac was eventually very successful. The first attempt flooded the mic, so it was dismantled and allowed to dry out in the sun. It sounded good in the open-air, so I surmised that the outer covering of clingfilm acted as a primary diaphragm, and the air trapped between that and the real diaphragm was working as a linking piston. In this case, the film was not close to the real diaphragm, so was not obscuring the holes, due to the design of the casing with the rim feature. With regard to sanitising the lip ribbon ? maybe a replaceable mask filter can be applied above the nose shield, but probably too dense a material to place over the diaphragm entry, unless it?s sound transparent enough. More experimentation needed, methinks. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 18 December 2020 16:48 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4D56339BBBF14016B480CC0F20C23E9D.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31041 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Dec 18 15:40:09 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 21:40:09 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: References: <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5fdd21ba.1c69fb81.22bdc.01f0@mx.google.com> I know that story, and so does the perpetrator, who is well known to me! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 18 December 2020 21:22 To: Graeme Wall Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. I heard a story once about a sound assistant being sent to record an effect of someone in the shower, who had the bright idea of using one of those to shield the mic. and a lady who offered to help, either with fitting it or doing the acting - or maybe both. If anyone tries it now, I hope they use an non-lubricated one, Geoff Geoff -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Dec 18 15:56:22 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 21:56:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <7C564459-E15D-4FF6-82A6-1B560792468E@me.com> References: <58e0871160davesound@btinternet.com> <4e454870-c710-ab47-d4f0-d01a1b7cf972@btinternet.com> <7C564459-E15D-4FF6-82A6-1B560792468E@me.com> Message-ID: <5fdd2586.1c69fb81.d228f.23d8@mx.google.com> One of the grungiest jobs I had, involved a shoot of would-be young cast trying for a part in a musical. They were required to sing live against a backing track fed via a earpiece. Taking it out from the first guy, it was completely bunged up with earwax! Ugh!! This was in Isleworth Studios and luckily a pharmacy in the nearby parade of shops yielded a bottle of TCP or Dettol, cotton buds and tissues. So my job was to clean the buds after each participant! So a selection of removable buds could be kept in a solution of disinfectant and replaced as needed? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 18 December 2020 10:37 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. The same applies to headsets and earpieces, which have prolonged close contact with the body. ? Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Fri Dec 18 16:11:06 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 22:11:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <5fdd21ba.1c69fb81.22bdc.01f0@mx.google.com> References: <5fdd21ba.1c69fb81.22bdc.01f0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Fascinating and I?ve always wondered if it was true or someone?s fantasy so thanks for saying. Perhaps the ?perpetrator? if still living would tell us more... Geoff > On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:40, patheigham wrote: > > ? > I know that story, and so does the perpetrator, who is well known to me! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: 18 December 2020 21:22 > To: Graeme Wall > Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. > > I heard a story once about a sound assistant being sent to record an effect of someone in the shower, who had the bright idea of using one of those to shield the mic. and a lady who offered to help, either with fitting it or doing the acting - or maybe both. If anyone tries it now, I hope they use an non-lubricated one, > Geoff > > > > Geoff > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Dec 18 14:12:19 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 20:12:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> Message-ID: In? Catholic churches a no-no! The Pope is determined on world-wide domination! C.of E. are defintely more with-it. Cheers, Dave On 18/12/2020 20:20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I thought condoms were the approved method, but possibly not in church! > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 19:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. >> Feel free to debate! >> >> Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >>>> >>>> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >>>> >>>> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >>>>> lumbered with everything. >>>>> >>>>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >>>>> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > From waresound at msn.com Fri Dec 18 16:28:23 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 22:28:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <5fdd21ba.1c69fb81.22bdc.01f0@mx.google.com> References: <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> , <5fdd21ba.1c69fb81.22bdc.01f0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Some of us will remember how condoms became available as a tech stores item for use on 4037 hand mics at a time when water often used to get thrown around on, if I remember right, Michael Bentine?s ?It?s a Square World? shows. In that situation it doesn?t really matter what efffect the condom has on sound quality! And it saved those awkwardly embarrassing ?packet of three, please? visits to the chemist shop in Shepherds Bush market! Remember that? Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:40, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? I know that story, and so does the perpetrator, who is well known to me! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: 18 December 2020 21:22 To: Graeme Wall Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. I heard a story once about a sound assistant being sent to record an effect of someone in the shower, who had the bright idea of using one of those to shield the mic. and a lady who offered to help, either with fitting it or doing the acting - or maybe both. If anyone tries it now, I hope they use an non-lubricated one, Geoff Geoff ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Dec 18 16:59:26 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 22:59:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Jeff Sluggett Message-ID: <325C666B-CF1F-4F81-8043-41493D399783@mac.com> A number of people on this forum may have worked with Jeff Sluggett in various locations. He was an SM/FM in Bristol - a great character with a personality beyond his stature and has recently died after a short illness. Mike G From mibridge at mac.com Fri Dec 18 17:10:17 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2020 23:10:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ACAC1A4-5137-4447-AC09-3BD69C16C2F7@mac.com> In a similar vein, it surprises me how well mobile phone touch screens work through a protective plastic screen and then the plastic bag that I normally use when shopping and paying by ApplePay. We used condoms on personal mics when people got gunged on !!CRACKERJACK!! But I don?t remember having to tweak the eq much more than normal. Mike G > On 18 Dec 2020, at 22:11, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In Catholic churches a no-no! The Pope is determined on world-wide domination! C.of E. are defintely more with-it. Cheers, Dave > >> On 18/12/2020 20:20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> I thought condoms were the approved method, but possibly not in church! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 19:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. >>> Feel free to debate! >>> >>> Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >>>>> >>>>> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >>>>> >>>>> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >>>>>> lumbered with everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >>>>>> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sat Dec 19 03:49:55 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 09:49:55 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <5fdd2117.1c69fb81.d8012.5f8d@mx.google.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <5fdd2117.1c69fb81.d8012.5f8d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> Im amazed you got away with this Pat The MKH 125 was a full RF capacitor mic. The electronics were in a head amp separated from the capsule with unbalanced cable It was a version of the MKH 405 , a cardioid TPower boom mic of v high quality. Normally dynamic mics were put in a condom for underwater FX. (AKG D109, Sennhieser D211) That a RF omni condenser survived is testament to its construction. They were lovely mics , with a gentle rising presence, but expensive compared with dynamics and electrets. I have 6 of them still. Hydrophones are P48 powered, DPA do a cracker, but they are heavily shrouded and the cable armoured to withstand sea water and pressure. Roger > On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. Using a Sennheiser MKH 125, their lavalier personal mic of the day, see attached photo, there is a raised rim around the diaphragm. Stretching cling film, tightly, over it and swathing it in Blutac was eventually very successful. The first attempt flooded the mic, so it was dismantled and allowed to dry out in the sun. > It sounded good in the open-air, so I surmised that the outer covering of clingfilm acted as a primary diaphragm, and > the air trapped between that and the real diaphragm was working as a linking piston. In this case, the film was not close to the real diaphragm, so was not obscuring the holes, due to the design of the casing with the rim feature. > > With regard to sanitising the lip ribbon ? maybe a replaceable mask filter can be applied above the nose shield, but probably too dense a material to place over the diaphragm entry, unless it?s sound transparent enough. More experimentation needed, methinks. > > Pat > > <4D56339BBBF14016B480CC0F20C23E9D.jpg> > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 > Sent: 18 December 2020 16:48 > To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. > > Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > <4D56339BBBF14016B480CC0F20C23E9D.jpg>-- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Sat Dec 19 04:10:12 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 10:10:12 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> Message-ID: <000c01d6d5ef$240fe5d0$6c2fb170$@gmail.com> Many years ago when I was still at the BBC and Tel Centre crew 17, working on a series of 'It's a Square World' with Michael Bentine - a real gent, the finale was of a village fete experiencing a heavy shower causing the roof of the tent to release a deluge of water onto the head table and participants below. I cannot remember the SS but he decided a STC 4037 on a table stand would be a suitable microphone, and Buster Cole - of course - had a condom in his wallet which was applied to successfully waterproof said microphone. Afterwards he submitted a claim to the props department for reimbursement, then received the reply 'If worn consult wardrobe' Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 18 December 2020 20:12 To: Graeme Wall ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In Catholic churches a no-no! The Pope is determined on world-wide domination! C.of E. are defintely more with-it. Cheers, Dave On 18/12/2020 20:20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: > I thought condoms were the approved method, but possibly not in church! > ? > Graeme Wall > > >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 19:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. >> Feel free to debate! >> >> Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> >>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >>>> >>>> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >>>> >>>> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >>>> >>>> Chris Woolf >>>> >>>> >>>>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems >>>>> to get lumbered with everything. >>>>> >>>>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is >>>>> the safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sat Dec 19 04:30:27 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 10:30:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <000c01d6d5ef$240fe5d0$6c2fb170$@gmail.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> <000c01d6d5ef$240fe5d0$6c2fb170$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2BFADB56-DCA0-48D7-AB6A-5D8401A4A428@btinternet.com> When we were in Corfu shooting the BBC My Family and other Animals in the 80s we had a storm sequence with wind machines and their boat. I had 6 diversity Microns, which we prepared with Cling Film from the Caterers. In the event we did it all with a MKH816 in a real storm. On return to base I submitted my T&D and claimed for a Rolling Pin (which I rolled the industrial cling film on ) and a box of condoms for the mics.This was passed without comment by the authorities (Mavis !) I was amazed. Roger > On 19 Dec 2020, at 10:10, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > Many years ago when I was still at the BBC and Tel Centre crew 17, working on a series of 'It's a Square World' with Michael Bentine - a real gent, the finale was of a village fete experiencing a heavy shower causing the roof of the tent to release a deluge of water onto the head table and participants below. I cannot remember the SS but he decided a STC 4037 on a table stand would be a suitable microphone, and Buster Cole - of course - had a condom in his wallet which was applied to successfully waterproof said microphone. > Afterwards he submitted a claim to the props department for reimbursement, then received the reply 'If worn consult wardrobe' > > Dave D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 18 December 2020 20:12 > To: Graeme Wall ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. > > In Catholic churches a no-no! The Pope is determined on world-wide domination! C.of E. are defintely more with-it. Cheers, Dave > > On 18/12/2020 20:20, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote: >> I thought condoms were the approved method, but possibly not in church! >> ? >> Graeme Wall >> >> >>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 19:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. >>> Feel free to debate! >>> >>> Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >>>>> >>>>> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >>>>> >>>>> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >>>>> >>>>> Chris Woolf >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems >>>>>> to get lumbered with everything. >>>>>> >>>>>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is >>>>>> the safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Sat Dec 19 05:20:01 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 11:20:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> References: <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I was working on a show where the director casually asked if I had a hydrophone to bring along the next day. I didn?t have one, but I decided to try improvising using a stethoscope with an ECM 77 pushed into the acoustic tube instead of the Y piece feeding it to each ear. The idea was that the microphone could remain above water while the diaphragm of the stethoscope was submerged. It worked impressively, I assume that the diaphragm within the head acted to better match the microphone to the water. After that show, I removed all the tubing and made a simple adaptor allowing me to push the ECM straight into the stethoscope head. The head can be twisted round, one side is the diaphragm, the other has an O ring seal and a short horn leading to the tube. Either side is useful under different circumstances, the O ring side usually sounds best. It was small enough to live in my ECM box and could be used to pick up difficult FX. Obviously a heart beat and tummy rumbles was easy. Another time I needed the sound of a futuristic machine. The director suggested that it should sound like the finest Swiss engineering, but on a huge scale, but still,subtle. Well obviously a Nagra is the finest Swiss engineering, but it?s nearly silent - until you put a stethoscope on it and play that recording back at reduced speed. It was one of the easiest sound design challenges I?ve ever done. Another show needed the sound of an ant running up a blade of grass, which had been shot mute using a macro lens in a laboratory. I stuck a little piece of blu tack onto the stethoscope diaphragm, pushed a blade of grass into it and placed an ant on it by means of a small twig. Ten minutes of messing around resulted in the ant running up and down the grass and producing a decent recording. When we put it to the picture, it only needed minor tweaking to look perfectly in sync. People asked what we used to get that effect, expecting it to be some sort of Foley and they assumed it was a wind up when I said that I recorded an ant running up and down a blade of grass. Alan Taylor > On 19 Dec 2020, at 09:50, Roger E Long wrote: > > ?Im amazed you got away with this Pat > The MKH 125 was a full RF capacitor mic. The electronics were in a head amp separated from the capsule with unbalanced cable > It was a version of the MKH 405 , a cardioid TPower boom mic of v high quality. > Normally dynamic mics were put in a condom for underwater FX. (AKG D109, Sennhieser D211) > That a RF omni condenser survived is testament to its construction. > They were lovely mics , with a gentle rising presence, but expensive compared with dynamics and electrets. > I have 6 of them still. > Hydrophones are P48 powered, DPA do a cracker, but they are heavily shrouded and the cable armoured to withstand sea water and pressure. > Roger > >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. Using a Sennheiser MKH 125, their lavalier personal mic of the day, see attached photo, there is a raised rim around the diaphragm. Stretching cling film, tightly, over it and swathing it in Blutac was eventually very successful. The first attempt flooded the mic, so it was dismantled and allowed to dry out in the sun. >> It sounded good in the open-air, so I surmised that the outer covering of clingfilm acted as a primary diaphragm, and >> the air trapped between that and the real diaphragm was working as a linking piston. In this case, the film was not close to the real diaphragm, so was not obscuring the holes, due to the design of the casing with the rim feature. >> >> With regard to sanitising the lip ribbon ? maybe a replaceable mask filter can be applied above the nose shield, but probably too dense a material to place over the diaphragm entry, unless it?s sound transparent enough. More experimentation needed, methinks. >> >> Pat >> >> <4D56339BBBF14016B480CC0F20C23E9D.jpg> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 >> Sent: 18 December 2020 16:48 >> To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. >> >> Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <4D56339BBBF14016B480CC0F20C23E9D.jpg>-- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 19 11:04:32 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 17:04:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <5fdd2117.1c69fb81.d8012.5f8d@mx.google.com> <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fde32a1.1c69fb81.9c13c.b29d@mx.google.com> Well, we did get away with it! My Production Mixer (I was working as Boom Op in those days) was a splendid engineer, he helped me convert a Nagra 4-l to two-track Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long Sent: 19 December 2020 09:49 To: patheigham Cc: Alan Taylor; Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. Im amazed you got away with this Pat The MKH 125 was a full RF capacitor mic. The electronics were in a head amp separated from the ?capsule with unbalanced cable Roger On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 19 11:26:40 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 17:26:40 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <5fde32a1.1c69fb81.9c13c.b29d@mx.google.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <5fdd2117.1c69fb81.d8012.5f8d@mx.google.com> <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> <5fde32a1.1c69fb81.9c13c.b29d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5fde37d1.1c69fb81.890c3.6689@mx.google.com> Second sending ? the stupid Windows 10 Mail programme went into ?send? mode before I had finished composing! Well, we did get away with it! My Production Mixer (I was working as Boom Op in those days) was a splendid engineer, he helped me convert two Nagra 4-L to two-track for running playback for ?Fiddler? having orch and vocal separated. Another tale of waterproofing a mic was for a Thames TV Magpie insert ? Jenny Hanley was to undergo the training for undersea escape from a downed helicopter. The Navy had a rig at HMS Vernon in Portsmouth which duplicated the result of a chopper ditching. The Head of Film Sound at Euston gave me a mic to use, so I carefully wrapped it in the recognised fashion, and submerged it ? there was an underwater camera involved. On return to base, I gave it back, saying that it worked perfectly, and still did. His face fell ? ?I?ve already put in an insurance claim and ordered its replacement!? So I had to write a report stating that the mic had suffered total immersion, and could no longer be relied upon! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Im amazed you got away with this Pat The MKH 125 was a full RF capacitor mic. The electronics were in a head amp separated from the ?capsule with unbalanced cable Roger On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 57784B2887A54C5A9334C4B0A929D7C4.png Type: image/png Size: 137 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk Sat Dec 19 11:32:22 2020 From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 17:32:22 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> Message-ID: <1b70535c-29f5-7d3d-b738-f97fd0b90cd8@chriswoolf.co.uk> The whole business of secondary diaphragms is remarkably complicated, and an important consideration is whether the microphone is pressure-operated (inherently omni), or pressure-gradient (inherently directional). Omnis - which obviously include the majority of personal mics - are fairly happy with either slack or taut secondary membranes because the absolute pressure changes will be transmitted quite faithfully. The pressure may be slightly attenuated, and any tension in the covering membrane will affect the natural resonance of the mic (and therefore upset the ideal frequency response) but otherwise it will work fine. Hence the widespread use of condoms etc as covers. For directional mics a taut secondary diaphragm is pretty disastrous. There's a strong tendency for the system to try to equalise the pressure at both mic ports, which results in a pretty horrible sounding, lower level signal. Schoeps' thin plastic bag placed over the mic, but not too tightly, allows the mic to work tolerably well - they have plotted the typical variation in mic pattern (as you would expect for precise Germans) and the results aren't too bad.... and enable a very simple hygiene regime. Chris Woolf On 18/12/2020 19:34, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > No offence, but personally I would go with the formidably solid combination of Schoeps and Woolf advice, because it seems obvious to me that cling film will (by definition) cling to the microphone grille causing an obstruction (forming lots of minute diaphragms), whereas a loosely fitted thin poly bag will pass air movement more freely. Simple physics. > Feel free to debate! > > Personal mics: it?s the cable that suffers most from constant handling/fiddling, so go easy with anything solvent or chemically aggressive. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 16:49, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Cling film can achieve a similar result, with the advantage of staying in place and looking fairly inconspicuous, although it?s not particularly durable. Peeling it off can be fiddly, but I use slips of paper as identification labels and put them discreetly just under the last layer of wrap so that if you peel from there, it comes off easily. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >>> On 18 Dec 2020, at 12:19, Chris Woolf via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?Schoeps have pointed out that for many purposes slipping a thin plastic bag over the mic is the simplest way to avoid contamination. >>> >>> Provided it it isn't pulled tight it does relatively little damage to the audio, and can be disposed of later. Saves all the hassle. >>> >>> Think of it a PPE for the mic. >>> >>> Chris Woolf >>> >>> >>>>> On 18/12/2020 00:38, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Brother is on the buildings committee of his church. Which seems to get >>>> lumbered with everything. >>>> >>>> The church has a few radio mics. And visiting ministers. What is the >>>> safest way to sanitize the personal mic and hand mics? >>>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From relong at btinternet.com Sat Dec 19 12:36:41 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 18:36:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <5fde37d1.1c69fb81.890c3.6689@mx.google.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <5fdd2117.1c69fb81.d8012.5f8d@mx.google.com> <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> <5fde32a1.1c69fb81.9c13c.b29d@mx.google.com> <5fde37d1.1c69fb81.890c3.6689@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <16EE36E1-E4EC-46FC-A526-5A3E064FE94B@btinternet.com> I was in Greenland shooting a under ice presenter doing a ptcs about sleeper sharks He was equipped with a full face mask and rebreather kit plus a dry suit We were out on the sea ice in March He had a Sony MiniDisc in a waterproof housing and a mic in the face mask, all good kit. I also had a DPA 8010 hydrophone which had only recently become available to non military use. The camera man and presenter went down an aperture the fishermen had augered out of the 2' sea ice There was a strong current running underneath of 2 or 3 knots. I dropped the DPA down to 30? and ran a simultaneous track on my Foster PD4 Dat machine When the presenter started his piece I could hear every word, he was some distance from the mic, water is very conductive to sound. Unfortunately he sounded like he was in Gloucester Cathedral, under the ice was considerable inverted formations of cliffs and caves. When the editor laid the clean MD recording with my ambience recording, it was quite amazing, however production did not use it as they thought no one would believe it? The Greenland shark is 5m long and can live to 400y, they can survive deep submersion to 7000? Our shark had been caught by deep netting, a call was put out on Greenland Radio and we received several offers for the filming. The poisonous flesh is considered a delicacy when buried, fermented and eaten rotten. It produced effects similar to alcohol and chews like a rubber tyre. Roger PS I did a shoot with Jenny Handley when she had an enema on camera in a Harley St consulting room The contents of her bowel were seen in a long transparent tube and discussed by the Doctor, it was part of a recognised Wellness regime. The miracle of TV. > On 19 Dec 2020, at 17:26, patheigham wrote: > > Second sending ? the stupid Windows 10 Mail programme went into ?send? mode before I had finished composing! > > Well, we did get away with it! My Production Mixer (I was working as Boom Op in those days) was a splendid engineer, he helped me convert two Nagra 4-L to two-track > for running playback for ?Fiddler? having orch and vocal separated. > Another tale of waterproofing a mic was for a Thames TV Magpie insert ? Jenny Hanley was to undergo the training for undersea escape from a downed helicopter. > The Navy had a rig at HMS Vernon in Portsmouth which duplicated the result of a chopper ditching. > The Head of Film Sound at Euston gave me a mic to use, so I carefully wrapped it in the recognised fashion, and submerged it ? there was an underwater camera > involved. On return to base, I gave it back, saying that it worked perfectly, and still did. His face fell ? ?I?ve already put in an insurance claim and ordered its replacement!? > So I had to write a report stating that the mic had suffered total immersion, and could no longer be relied upon! > Best > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > Im amazed you got away with this Pat > The MKH 125 was a full RF capacitor mic. The electronics were in a head amp separated from the capsule with unbalanced cable > Roger > > > On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:37, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: > > Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. > > > > <57784B2887A54C5A9334C4B0A929D7C4.png> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > > <57784B2887A54C5A9334C4B0A929D7C4.png> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 19 13:01:14 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 19:01:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: <16EE36E1-E4EC-46FC-A526-5A3E064FE94B@btinternet.com> References: <5bf49ac9-16e9-f536-58a3-6dc5e1123dbf@chriswoolf.co.uk> <9B17F099-901C-4462-AB8B-1568954A5CE7@me.com> <5fdd2117.1c69fb81.d8012.5f8d@mx.google.com> <7596C832-4BD7-4023-8F30-D6B471B2B9FE@btinternet.com> <5fde32a1.1c69fb81.9c13c.b29d@mx.google.com> <5fde37d1.1c69fb81.890c3.6689@mx.google.com> <16EE36E1-E4EC-46FC-A526-5A3E064FE94B@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fde4dfb.1c69fb81.b3d84.fa85@mx.google.com> What an amazing location, and job! I had a shoot in Iceland, and the buried shark was called H?karl (Icelandic pronunciation: ?[?hau?k?artl?]; an abbreviation of k?stur h?karl, referred to as fermented shark in English) is a national dish of Iceland consisting of a Greenland shark or other sleeper shark which has been cured with a particular fermentation process and hung to dry for four to five months.) Our spark bought some and it stank, so he was relegated to the back seat of the crew bus! There?s no accounting for taste! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Roger E Long Sent: 19 December 2020 18:36 Subject: Re: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. I was in Greenland shooting a under ice presenter doing a ptcs about sleeper sharks The poisonous flesh is considered a delicacy when buried, fermented and eaten rotten. It produced effects similar to alcohol and chews like a rubber tyre. Roger -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sat Dec 19 15:05:30 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2020 21:05:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Sanitizing a mic. And Windows 10. Message-ID: ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Dec 2020, at 17:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Second sending ? the stupid Windows 10 Mail programme went into ?send? mode before I had finished composing! Well, we did get away with it! My Production Mixer (I was working as Boom Op in those days) was a splendid engineer, he helped me convert two Nagra 4-L to two-track for running playback for ?Fiddler? having orch and vocal separated. Another tale of waterproofing a mic was for a Thames TV Magpie insert ? Jenny Hanley was to undergo the training for undersea escape from a downed helicopter. The Navy had a rig at HMS Vernon in Portsmouth which duplicated the result of a chopper ditching. The Head of Film Sound at Euston gave me a mic to use, so I carefully wrapped it in the recognised fashion, and submerged it ? there was an underwater camera involved. On return to base, I gave it back, saying that it worked perfectly, and still did. His face fell ? ?I?ve already put in an insurance claim and ordered its replacement!? So I had to write a report stating that the mic had suffered total immersion, and could no longer be relied upon! Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Im amazed you got away with this Pat The MKH 125 was a full RF capacitor mic. The electronics were in a head amp separated from the capsule with unbalanced cable Roger On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:37, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com [cid:image002.png at 01D6D62C.1BFDC7D0]-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 57784B2887A54C5A9334C4B0A929D7C4.png Type: image/png Size: 137 bytes Desc: 57784B2887A54C5A9334C4B0A929D7C4.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Alan Taylor > On 19 Dec 2020, at 21:54, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). > Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! > Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 19 Dec 2020, at 17:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> Second sending ? the stupid Windows 10 Mail programme went into ?send? mode before I had finished composing! >> >> Well, we did get away with it! My Production Mixer (I was working as Boom Op in those days) was a splendid engineer, he helped me convert two Nagra 4-L to two-track >> for running playback for ?Fiddler? having orch and vocal separated. >> Another tale of waterproofing a mic was for a Thames TV Magpie insert ? Jenny Hanley was to undergo the training for undersea escape from a downed helicopter. >> The Navy had a rig at HMS Vernon in Portsmouth which duplicated the result of a chopper ditching. >> The Head of Film Sound at Euston gave me a mic to use, so I carefully wrapped it in the recognised fashion, and submerged it ? there was an underwater camera >> involved. On return to base, I gave it back, saying that it worked perfectly, and still did. His face fell ? ?I?ve already put in an insurance claim and ordered its replacement!? >> So I had to write a report stating that the mic had suffered total immersion, and could no longer be relied upon! >> Best >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> Im amazed you got away with this Pat >> The MKH 125 was a full RF capacitor mic. The electronics were in a head amp separated from the capsule with unbalanced cable >> Roger >> >> >> On 18 Dec 2020, at 21:37, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Alan?s mention of cling film reminds me of a need to waterproof a mic to obtain some underwater effects in a swimming pool. >> >> >> >> <57784B2887A54C5A9334C4B0A929D7C4.png> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> <57784B2887A54C5A9334C4B0A929D7C4.png> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Dec 20 04:31:20 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 10:31:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Sanitizing a mic. And Windows 10. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5fdf27f8.1c69fb81.2fbac.bfae@mx.google.com> Bless you, Nick ? I hadn?t thought of the mail programme in 365, which I do subscribe to since I got a new Dell last year. I love Excel and have used it for years, as you say, for equipment lists, insurance breakdowns and address records, making it easy to import to labels. Also Publisher with which I create DVD case wraps, key tags and luggage labels etc. Alan?s use of .pdf is valid, it produces a smaller file for easier transmission, except that unless one pays a hefty cost for the edit programme, think it?s about ?240, one cannot edit a received document. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 19 December 2020 21:05 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] FW: Sanitizing a mic. And Windows 10. ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 19 Dec 2020, at 17:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: ? Second sending ? the stupid Windows 10 Mail programme went into ?send? mode before I had finished composing! ? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Sun Dec 20 04:48:20 2020 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 10:48:20 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10. Message-ID: <000701d6d6bd$a1f74c30$e5e5e490$@soundsuper.co.uk> Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to access Microsoft Office using their online apps. This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including this one on how to access the MS Office apps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y Rob ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Dec 20 04:54:32 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 10:54:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. And Windows 10. In-Reply-To: <5fdf27f8.1c69fb81.2fbac.bfae@mx.google.com> References: <5fdf27f8.1c69fb81.2fbac.bfae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <66B89DA8-CD52-43ED-99A6-C0B42B166839@icloud.com> Others not being able to edit a pdf is an advantage in some circumstances ? Graeme Wall > On 20 Dec 2020, at 10:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > Bless you, Nick ? I hadn?t thought of the mail programme in 365, which I do subscribe to since I got a new Dell last year. > I love Excel and have used it for years, as you say, for equipment lists, insurance breakdowns and address records, making it easy to import to labels. > Also Publisher with which I create DVD case wraps, key tags and luggage labels etc. > Alan?s use of .pdf is valid, it produces a smaller file for easier transmission, except that unless one pays a hefty cost for the edit programme, think it?s about ?240, one cannot edit a received document. > Best > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: 19 December 2020 21:05 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] FW: Sanitizing a mic. And Windows 10. > > ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). > Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! > Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > On 19 Dec 2020, at 17:27, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > Second sending ? the stupid Windows 10 Mail programme went into ?send? mode before I had finished composing! > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Dec 20 05:04:29 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:04:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] FW: Sanitizing a mic. And Windows 10. In-Reply-To: <52DCBB5B-D476-44AA-B545-EAA02A2E6FED@me.com> References: <52DCBB5B-D476-44AA-B545-EAA02A2E6FED@me.com> Message-ID: <58e1c80f98davesound@btinternet.com> In article <52DCBB5B-D476-44AA-B545-EAA02A2E6FED at me.com>, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I?m puzzled by your mention of ?Docs to Go?. Macs, iPhones and iPads > already open normal Word and Excel documents simply by clicking on them. > The Apple applications Pages, Numbers and Keynote will import and export > Word, Excel or PowerPoint files. They have been pre-installed on Apple > devices for a decade or more and are free to use. Can I ask about a Mac numbers file? Pal sent me one. I don't have MS office, but do have both Open Office and Libra Office. Both opened the file, but neither displayed it in full. Both showed only bits of it. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 05:39:46 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:39:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10. In-Reply-To: <000701d6d6bd$a1f74c30$e5e5e490$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <000701d6d6bd$a1f74c30$e5e5e490$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <56b79cd4-2bbc-8df8-06c3-6584b9801f89@ntlworld.com> Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save either as pdf or docx. When asked, I donate. We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is going to be producer. For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve.? Apple used to say of FCP "A $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but then they chopped it.? DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much bigger, with two levels of editing, colour management, sound management, and node based compositing.? All free. For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with free FileZilla to upload.? The tech-ops website is mostly built in free Wordpress. I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good bit of free stuff myself. B On 20/12/2020 10:48, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to access > Microsoft Office using their online apps. > > This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including this > one on how to access the MS Office apps - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y > > > Rob > > ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to > Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be > called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing > everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, > which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, > You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 > pa. (tax deductible, of course). > > Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which > if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! > > Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared > on iPad, iPhone, etc. > Cheers, > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 05:39:59 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 11:39:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10. In-Reply-To: <000701d6d6bd$a1f74c30$e5e5e490$@soundsuper.co.uk> References: <000701d6d6bd$a1f74c30$e5e5e490$@soundsuper.co.uk> Message-ID: <027cba87-19c4-b8c4-7a8a-8bbedd235153@gmail.com> Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save either as pdf or docx. When asked, I donate. We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is going to be producer. For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve.? Apple used to say of FCP "A $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but then they chopped it.? DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much bigger, with two levels of editing, colour management, sound management, and node based compositing.? All free. For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with free FileZilla to upload.? The tech-ops website is mostly built in free Wordpress. I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good bit of free stuff myself. B On 20/12/2020 10:48, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to access > Microsoft Office using their online apps. > > This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including this > one on how to access the MS Office apps - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y > > > Rob > > ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to > Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be > called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing > everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, > which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, > You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 > pa. (tax deductible, of course). > > Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which > if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! > > Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared > on iPad, iPhone, etc. > Cheers, > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sun Dec 20 06:06:06 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:06:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10. In-Reply-To: <027cba87-19c4-b8c4-7a8a-8bbedd235153@gmail.com> References: <000701d6d6bd$a1f74c30$e5e5e490$@soundsuper.co.uk> <027cba87-19c4-b8c4-7a8a-8bbedd235153@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fdf3e32.1c69fb81.53cbf.ae2b@mx.google.com> All the various programmes are quite confusing, but I got used to Pinnacle for video editing ? it?s quite close to professional Avid, I believe. For audio, I found Audacity perfectly adequate. For manipulating photos, PaintShop Pro is good, and I recently bought the 2020 version, but took ages to navigate my way to the tools page! Attached is a screenshot of a Publisher BluRay case wrap for a recording which another BBC mate managed to make for me. The image on the right is an alternative front cover. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 20 December 2020 11:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windows 10. Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save either as pdf or docx.?? When asked, I donate.? We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is going to be producer. For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve.? Apple used to say of FCP? "A $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but then they chopped it.? DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much bigger, with two levels of editing, colour management, sound management, and node based compositing.? All free. For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with free FileZilla to upload.? The tech-ops website is mostly built in free Wordpress. I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good bit of free stuff myself. B -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2020-12-19 (2).png Type: image/png Size: 1855612 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 06:20:36 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:20:36 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 Message-ID: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> I?m on Windows 10 and use Office 365 with an annual subscription. An annoying problem I have is that when printing, the margins don?t align as they do on screen and worse, when printing Avery labels using the label feature on Word, they look OK on the screen, but don?t line up when printed and overscan the labels. By adjusting the margins, trial and error and doing a dummy print on plain paper to save the labels, I can just about make it work but it?s a struggle. I decided to give up and hand write the envelopes on my Christmas cards instead of using the labels I keep on file from year to year. Has anyone else met this problem? My printer is an HP deskjet 990cxi. Could it be the printer drivers that need updating? Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 20 December 2020 11:40 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Cc: Bernard Newnham Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windows 10. Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save either as pdf or docx. When asked, I donate. We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is going to be producer. For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve. Apple used to say of FCP "A $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but then they chopped it. DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much bigger, with two levels of editing, colour management, sound management, and node based compositing. All free. For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with free FileZilla to upload. The tech-ops website is mostly built in free Wordpress. I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good bit of free stuff myself. B On 20/12/2020 10:48, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to access Microsoft Office using their online apps. This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including this one on how to access the MS Office apps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y Rob ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Dec 20 06:28:28 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 12:28:28 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW: Sanitizing a mic. And Windows 10. In-Reply-To: <58e1c80f98davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e1c80f98davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <823DED0D-103C-4213-9FBC-7B40E7FDEED4@me.com> That?s an odd one Dave, any problem is usually the other way around, where an Excel file won?t properly open in Numbers due to the file using some relatively unusual feature. I always understood that Numbers exports pretty standard files in Excel format. Do you know what was missing when you opened it? If you still need to open that file, ask for it to be sent again and for the sender to make sure it?s exported as an Excel file rather than any other option such as PDF, CSV or TSV. Alan Taylor > On 20 Dec 2020, at 11:14, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <52DCBB5B-D476-44AA-B545-EAA02A2E6FED at me.com>, > Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m puzzled by your mention of ?Docs to Go?. Macs, iPhones and iPads >> already open normal Word and Excel documents simply by clicking on them. >> The Apple applications Pages, Numbers and Keynote will import and export >> Word, Excel or PowerPoint files. They have been pre-installed on Apple >> devices for a decade or more and are free to use. > > Can I ask about a Mac numbers file? > > Pal sent me one. I don't have MS office, but do have both Open Office and > Libra Office. Both opened the file, but neither displayed it in full. Both > showed only bits of it. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 07:05:56 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:05:56 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> References: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <04b9dca9-fa06-912a-3817-3ae6b3846eb5@ntlworld.com> Avery have their own labelling software - https://www.avery.co.uk/software/design-print . I use it to print honey labels and it works fine. B On 20/12/2020 12:20, geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com wrote: > > I?m on Windows 10 and use Office 365 with an annual subscription. An > annoying problem I have is that when printing, the margins don?t align > as they do on screen and worse, when printing Avery labels using the > label feature on Word, they look OK on the screen, but don?t line up > when printed and overscan the labels. By adjusting the margins, trial > and error and doing a dummy print on plain paper to save the labels, I > can just about make it work but it?s a struggle. I decided to give up > and hand write the envelopes on my Christmas cards instead of using > the labels I keep on file from year to year. > > Has anyone else met this problem? My printer is an HP deskjet 990cxi. > Could it be the printer drivers that need updating? > > *Geoff* > > *From:*Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 20 December 2020 11:40 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc:* Bernard Newnham > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Windows 10. > > Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save > either as pdf or docx.?? When asked, I donate. > > We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - > don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is > going to be producer. > > For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve.? Apple used to say of FCP? "A > $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but > then they chopped it.? DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much > bigger, with two levels of editing, colour management, sound > management, and node based compositing.? All free. > > For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with > free FileZilla to upload.? The tech-ops website is mostly built in > free Wordpress. > > I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good > bit of free stuff myself. > > B > > > > On 20/12/2020 10:48, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to > access Microsoft Office using their online apps. > > This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including > this one on how to access the MS Office apps - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y > > > Rob > > ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe > to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to > be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from > doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and > Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other > tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all > for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). > > Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, > which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! > > Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily > shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. > Cheers, > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sun Dec 20 07:15:18 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:15:18 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <04b9dca9-fa06-912a-3817-3ae6b3846eb5@ntlworld.com> References: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> <04b9dca9-fa06-912a-3817-3ae6b3846eb5@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <23FBFAAA-A158-4089-8E04-148EFF312A0A@btinternet.com> This is a good template you can dowload a .jpg or as this a pdf > On 20 Dec 2020, at 13:05, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Avery have their own labelling software - https://www.avery.co.uk/software/design-print . I use it to print honey labels and it works fine. > > B > > > > On 20/12/2020 12:20, geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com wrote: >> I?m on Windows 10 and use Office 365 with an annual subscription. An annoying problem I have is that when printing, the margins don?t align as they do on screen and worse, when printing Avery labels using the label feature on Word, they look OK on the screen, but don?t line up when printed and overscan the labels. By adjusting the margins, trial and error and doing a dummy print on plain paper to save the labels, I can just about make it work but it?s a struggle. I decided to give up and hand write the envelopes on my Christmas cards instead of using the labels I keep on file from year to year. >> Has anyone else met this problem? My printer is an HP deskjet 990cxi. Could it be the printer drivers that need updating? >> >> Geoff >> >> From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> Sent: 20 December 2020 11:40 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Cc: Bernard Newnham >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windows 10. >> >> Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save either as pdf or docx. When asked, I donate. >> >> We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is going to be producer. >> >> For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve. Apple used to say of FCP "A $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but then they chopped it. DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much bigger, with two levels of editing, colour management, sound management, and node based compositing. All free. >> >> For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with free FileZilla to upload. The tech-ops website is mostly built in free Wordpress. >> >> I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good bit of free stuff myself. >> >> B >> >> >> >> >> On 20/12/2020 10:48, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: >> Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to access Microsoft Office using their online apps. >> This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including this one on how to access the MS Office apps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). >> Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! >> Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> >> > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Avery_64-RND.docx Type: application/vnd.openxmlformats-officedocument.wordprocessingml.document Size: 14544 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Sun Dec 20 07:24:49 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:24:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> References: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, I bought a new laptop with Windows 10 and Office 365. Just as you say, the Avery labels did not print correctly, even when I downloaded the Avery template once again. I have created my own template using Word tables. It was very annoying as the templates worked fine on the old laptop - but that had started out as Windows 7, updated to Windows 8 and then to Windows 10 using MS free upgrades. Oh, and used Office XP! Don't think it's a driver problem as my CD labelling program (Media Face) seeming works Ok. Best regards, keep safe - we had already cancelled Christmas visits before the big bad announcement yesterday - keep safe, Alec sent from my mobile phone. Apologies for any strange autocorrections. On Sun, 20 Dec 2020, 12:20 geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1, < tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote: > I?m on Windows 10 and use Office 365 with an annual subscription. An > annoying problem I have is that when printing, the margins don?t align as > they do on screen and worse, when printing Avery labels using the label > feature on Word, they look OK on the screen, but don?t line up when printed > and overscan the labels. By adjusting the margins, trial and error and > doing a dummy print on plain paper to save the labels, I can just about > make it work but it?s a struggle. I decided to give up and hand write the > envelopes on my Christmas cards instead of using the labels I keep on file > from year to year. > > Has anyone else met this problem? My printer is an HP deskjet 990cxi. > Could it be the printer drivers that need updating? > > > > *Geoff* > > > > *From:* Tech1 *On Behalf Of *Bernard > Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 20 December 2020 11:40 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Cc:* Bernard Newnham > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Windows 10. > > > > Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save either as > pdf or docx. When asked, I donate. > > We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - > don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is going > to be producer. > > For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve. Apple used to say of FCP "A > $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but then > they chopped it. DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much bigger, with > two levels of editing, colour management, sound management, and node based > compositing. All free. > > For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with > free FileZilla to upload. The tech-ops website is mostly built in free > Wordpress. > > I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good bit > of free stuff myself. > > B > > > > On 20/12/2020 10:48, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > > Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to access > Microsoft Office using their online apps. > > This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including this one > on how to access the MS Office apps - > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to > Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called > Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you > could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all > accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to > six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). > > Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if > you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! > > Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on > iPad, iPhone, etc. > Cheers, > > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Dec 20 07:57:12 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 13:57:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> References: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: For label printing I produce the artwork on a number of applications, depending on whether I need a database, graphics editor, word processor or page layout. Whatever I end up with is then exported as a PDF file and that?s what I print. The reason for this is because in the past, saved files have been reprinted using newer iterations of the application they were created on and come out slightly differently, while PDFs come out consistently, often even when a different printer is used. I always do a test print onto plain paper, align it behind the blank label sheet and then hold it up to a window, or place them on top of an iPad or laptop screen displaying a white screen. It?s possible to see how accurately it lines up with your labels. When making adjustments to align it perfectly, I don?t move elements with the mouse, but use the cursor to nudge it in known steps or by measured increments. If there are four labels across the screen and you need to shift the first one by 2mm, you know that the others should need nudging over by 4, 6 and 8 mm. For super critical work, it?s often worth printing what is supposed to be a 200mm square and then measuring what size it actually comes out at. You can then tweak either the document or the printer scaling to get accurate results. I?ve made loads of PCBs user the toner transfer method with a laser printer and you need accuracy in both the X and Y axis. If I?m doing metalwork for something like a front panel, I design the layout on my computer, print it to paper and tape it to the metal. It?s then easy to drill holes, or cut out slots accurately without marking the metal. If the template tears while you?re working, it?s easy to print a replacement, align it carefully with the holes already made and continue working. By creating the PCB and the metalwork template using the same graphics application, everything aligns perfectly when you build it. Alan Taylor > On 20 Dec 2020, at 12:21, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > I?m on Windows 10 and use Office 365 with an annual subscription. An annoying problem I have is that when printing, the margins don?t align as they do on screen and worse, when printing Avery labels using the label feature on Word, they look OK on the screen, but don?t line up when printed and overscan the labels. By adjusting the margins, trial and error and doing a dummy print on plain paper to save the labels, I can just about make it work but it?s a struggle. I decided to give up and hand write the envelopes on my Christmas cards instead of using the labels I keep on file from year to year. > Has anyone else met this problem? My printer is an HP deskjet 990cxi. Could it be the printer drivers that need updating? > > Geoff > > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > Sent: 20 December 2020 11:40 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Cc: Bernard Newnham > Subject: Re: [Tech1] Windows 10. > > Here, we use LibreOffice, and for docs we need to share, we save either as pdf or docx. When asked, I donate. > > We are just about to try sharing a video project using Google Drive - don't know how that's going to go, but for once one of my students is going to be producer. > > For editing, of course DaVinci Resolve. Apple used to say of FCP "A $50,000 application for $500". It was true, and it was brilliant, but then they chopped it. DVR runs on anything speedy, and is so much bigger, with two levels of editing, colour management, sound management, and node based compositing. All free. > > For html, css and php I currently use free MS Visual Studio Code, with free FileZilla to upload. The tech-ops website is mostly built in free Wordpress. > > I have no problem with using all this free stuff, as I've done a good bit of free stuff myself. > > B > > > > > On 20/12/2020 10:48, Robert Miles via Tech1 wrote: > Following on from Nick?s posting, there is a free, legit way to access Microsoft Office using their online apps. > This ex-Microsoft chap has a wealth of helpful videos including this one on how to access the MS Office apps - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQyKM7_V-Y > > Rob > > > > ?Windows 10 Mail is a bit basic because they want you to subscribe to Microsoft 365, which I thoroughly recommend you do (it used to be called Office 365, and before that, MS Office). Apart from doing everything you could ask and more, 365 includes Outlook and Excel, which I use for all accounting and a multitude of other tasks. And, You get a licence for up to six computers/users, all for around ?70 pa. (tax deductible, of course). > Excel is also great for equipment lists, etc., and ATA Carnets, which if you?re still working, we?re going to need soon! > Plus, with third party ?Docs to Go? app, content can be readily shared on iPad, iPhone, etc. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Dec 20 08:46:41 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 14:46:41 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> References: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58e1dc673bdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com>, geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: > I?m on Windows 10 and use Office 365 with an annual subscription. An > annoying problem I have is that when printing, the margins don?t align > as they do on screen and worse, when printing Avery labels using the > label feature on Word, they look OK on the screen, but don?t line up > when printed and overscan the labels. By adjusting the margins, trial > and error and doing a dummy print on plain paper to save the labels, I > can just about make it work but it?s a struggle. I decided to give up > and hand write the envelopes on my Christmas cards instead of using the > labels I keep on file from year to year. > Has anyone else met this problem? My printer is an HP deskjet 990cxi. > Could it be the printer drivers that need updating? Funny, isn't it - not. Something so simple as printing text - that even the earliest computers could cope with - gives problems with the latest software. Of course printer drivers were always something of a nightmare - each new generating seeming to need new ones, even when they printed much the same. I do wonder if it's to some extent deliberate. Make sure nothing is compatible. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Sun Dec 20 10:31:49 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:31:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: <58e1dc673bdavesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e1dc673bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: That?s the problem these days, we don?t print text any more, we print graphics files containing fonts and images. In the good old days, my dot matrix printer, with its fan-fold paper would accept ASCII code and simply print it. These days we expect fancy fonts, proportional spacing, colours and heaven knows what, which means that your typical printer needs a huge amount of information to be transferred for even quite a simple document. I assume they still make simple dot matrix printers because my builders merchant uses one to print receipts and keeps the carbon copy whenever I buy anything. Alan Taylor > On 20 Dec 2020, at 14:55, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > > ?In article <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com>, > geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 wrote: >> I?m on Windows 10 and use Office 365 with an annual subscription. An >> annoying problem I have is that when printing, the margins don?t align >> as they do on screen and worse, when printing Avery labels using the >> label feature on Word, they look OK on the screen, but don?t line up >> when printed and overscan the labels. By adjusting the margins, trial >> and error and doing a dummy print on plain paper to save the labels, I >> can just about make it work but it?s a struggle. I decided to give up >> and hand write the envelopes on my Christmas cards instead of using the >> labels I keep on file from year to year. > >> Has anyone else met this problem? My printer is an HP deskjet 990cxi. >> Could it be the printer drivers that need updating? > > Funny, isn't it - not. Something so simple as printing text - that even > the earliest computers could cope with - gives problems with the latest > software. > > Of course printer drivers were always something of a nightmare - each new > generating seeming to need new ones, even when they printed much the same. > > I do wonder if it's to some extent deliberate. Make sure nothing is > compatible. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Dec 20 11:26:40 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:26:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: <58e1dc673bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58e1eb0d3ddavesound@btinternet.com> In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > I assume they still make simple dot matrix printers because my builders > merchant uses one to print receipts and keeps the carbon copy whenever I > buy anything. Got a little story about them. For those bored enough to read it. Wanted a small piece of standard skirting board to replace a damaged bit. You can buy it in sheds - but in lengths too long to go in my car. So decided to try a traditional wood yard. In this case, Travis Perkins being the closest one. As they sell such things by the metre. So went online to make sure a small order was OK. It was, and they do click and collect. So ordered and paid for it online. Was told to bring a hard copy of the confirmation email and some photo ID when collecting - fairy nuff. So got there at the appointed hour with the printed out email. Expected to see a click and collect point at the wood yard. No such luck. Was directed to the office - other end of the site. They rather obviously had no link to their website, and spent minutes typing furiously. Then gave me a hand written docket to take to the wood yard. Chap there cut the wood to my order, and gave me another hand written docket. Had to take that back to the office to get a printed receipt allowing me to take the wood off site. All for a few quid's worth of wood. TP also own Wickes and ToolStation. TS seem to have got their act together as regards click and collect. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Dec 20 11:28:37 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 17:28:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 In-Reply-To: References: <58e1dc673bdavesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58e1eb3a47davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > That?s the problem these days, we don?t print text any more, we print > graphics files containing fonts and images. In the good old days, my > dot matrix printer, with its fan-fold paper would accept ASCII code and > simply print it. These days we expect fancy fonts, proportional > spacing, colours and heaven knows what, which means that your typical > printer needs a huge amount of information to be transferred for even > quite a simple document. True - but printers which do what you see on the screen ain't exactly new. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From waresound at msn.com Sun Dec 20 12:01:13 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 18:01:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 - label printing In-Reply-To: <04b9dca9-fa06-912a-3817-3ae6b3846eb5@ntlworld.com> References: <003701d6d6ca$85af14b0$910d3e10$@gmail.com>, <04b9dca9-fa06-912a-3817-3ae6b3846eb5@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: For label printing I have used ?Label Factory Deluxe? since 2004. I have v3, but I see on their US website, there?s a v4.2 now. Unfortunately the UK website seems to have sunk into chaos. I don?t think it was freeware, but certainly wasn?t expensive. You can compile address lists for Christmas card recipients, etc., but here, we prefer the personal touch whereby I dictate to the Boss as she handwrites them! Whenever I handwrite anything, people tell me I should have been a doctor! Label Factory Deluxe has print options to adjust horizontal and vertical scale to fit your label sheet and/or printer eccentricities. See pic. [cid:C9389074-AF6D-41B1-936C-50F3704FAA16] For CD?s, for me it?s CD-LabelPrint which came with my Canon printer (printing directly onto inkjet printable blanks in its dedicated CD drawer.) I also have and recommend ?AMF CD and DVD Label Maker?, which does disc, front and back inserts. You need a steel rule and razor blade to trim the inserts, though, so best for one-offs or v short run. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Dec 2020, at 13:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Avery have their own labelling software - https://www.avery.co.uk/software/design-print . I use it to print honey labels and it works fine. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At that stage it?s saved as a template with a file name explaining what size labels they are. When I need to print, the artwork, text or whatever is copy & pasted into those boxes and nicely snaps into exactly the right position for every label. My wife often prints one sheet of 24 mixed labels with a few chutney labels, some jam labels and some pickled food labels, depending on what she has made. A lot of graphics packages have duplicate and repeat features which means that once you?ve got the first row sorted, the rest can be done in moments while variations can be quickly entered by using Search and Replace. Alan Taylor > On 20 Dec 2020, at 18:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? For label printing I have used ?Label Factory Deluxe? since 2004. I have v3, but I see on their US website, there?s a v4.2 now. Unfortunately the UK website seems to have sunk into chaos. I don?t think it was freeware, but certainly wasn?t expensive. > You can compile address lists for Christmas card recipients, etc., but here, we prefer the personal touch whereby I dictate to the Boss as she handwrites them! Whenever I handwrite anything, people tell me I should have been a doctor! > Label Factory Deluxe has print options to adjust horizontal and vertical scale to fit your label sheet and/or printer eccentricities. See pic. > > > For CD?s, for me it?s CD-LabelPrint which came with my Canon printer (printing directly onto inkjet printable blanks in its dedicated CD drawer.) > I also have and recommend ?AMF CD and DVD Label Maker?, which does disc, front and back inserts. You need a steel rule and razor blade to trim the inserts, though, so best for one-offs or v short run. > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 20 Dec 2020, at 13:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? Avery have their own labelling software - https://www.avery.co.uk/software/design-print . I use it to print honey labels and it works fine. > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Sun Dec 20 13:38:03 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 19:38:03 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 - label printing In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Alan, With Label Factory the templates are already there for most known label sheets, but I would love to know how I can get my hands on the chutneys, jams and pickles! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Dec 2020, at 18:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: ? The way I print labels is to create a template as soon as I open a new pack of labels. Essentially I create a grid of twin lines corresponding to the labels. The reason why they are twin lines is so that the lines just touch the label either side of the gap between the labels, with single lines around the perimeter of the sheet. Each label should end up with a rectangle just inside its perimeter. Then a box is created to fit within the rectangle, which is duplicated or copy and pasted to each label position. The guide lines are on a layer of their own, which is turned invisible prior to printing, or declared a non-printing layer. At that stage it?s saved as a template with a file name explaining what size labels they are. When I need to print, the artwork, text or whatever is copy & pasted into those boxes and nicely snaps into exactly the right position for every label. My wife often prints one sheet of 24 mixed labels with a few chutney labels, some jam labels and some pickled food labels, depending on what she has made. A lot of graphics packages have duplicate and repeat features which means that once you?ve got the first row sorted, the rest can be done in moments while variations can be quickly entered by using Search and Replace. Alan Taylor On 20 Dec 2020, at 18:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ? For label printing I have used ?Label Factory Deluxe? since 2004. I have v3, but I see on their US website, there?s a v4.2 now. Unfortunately the UK website seems to have sunk into chaos. I don?t think it was freeware, but certainly wasn?t expensive. You can compile address lists for Christmas card recipients, etc., but here, we prefer the personal touch whereby I dictate to the Boss as she handwrites them! Whenever I handwrite anything, people tell me I should have been a doctor! Label Factory Deluxe has print options to adjust horizontal and vertical scale to fit your label sheet and/or printer eccentricities. See pic. For CD?s, for me it?s CD-LabelPrint which came with my Canon printer (printing directly onto inkjet printable blanks in its dedicated CD drawer.) I also have and recommend ?AMF CD and DVD Label Maker?, which does disc, front and back inserts. You need a steel rule and razor blade to trim the inserts, though, so best for one-offs or v short run. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 20 Dec 2020, at 13:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: ? Avery have their own labelling software - https://www.avery.co.uk/software/design-print . I use it to print honey labels and it works fine. -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sun Dec 20 14:26:01 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 20:26:01 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Windows 10 - label printing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82D5D317-4519-4319-B4E3-6B6562681905@me.com> If you buy big name brands like Avery, there are plenty of ready made templates, but if you buy specialist labels or keenly priced ones online, they often don?t match up with easily found templates. Even with labels which do have a template, the templates have a certain margin of error and I can create a template with more accuracy in order to print just a gnat?s within the label?s edge, or bleed slightly over the edges of it to get a label which is wholly coloured with no white edges. As for getting hold of the jams, chutneys and pickles, the trick is to find a woman who turns out to be good at making such things, although in practice we both make them, depending on who is around when it needs to be done. I?m delighted to say that my wife is such a person and has many other bonus features too, but crucially combines those qualities with dodgy taste in husbands. Alan Taylor > On 20 Dec 2020, at 19:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Hi Alan, > With Label Factory the templates are already there for most known label sheets, but I would love to know how I can get my hands on the chutneys, jams and pickles! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 20 Dec 2020, at 18:39, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? >> The way I print labels is to create a template as soon as I open a new pack of labels. Essentially I create a grid of twin lines corresponding to the labels. The reason why they are twin lines is so that the lines just touch the label either side of the gap between the labels, with single lines around the perimeter of the sheet. Each label should end up with a rectangle just inside its perimeter. >> >> Then a box is created to fit within the rectangle, which is duplicated or copy and pasted to each label position. The guide lines are on a layer of their own, which is turned invisible prior to printing, or declared a non-printing layer. At that stage it?s saved as a template with a file name explaining what size labels they are. >> >> When I need to print, the artwork, text or whatever is copy & pasted into those boxes and nicely snaps into exactly the right position for every label. My wife often prints one sheet of 24 mixed labels with a few chutney labels, some jam labels and some pickled food labels, depending on what she has made. >> >> A lot of graphics packages have duplicate and repeat features which means that once you?ve got the first row sorted, the rest can be done in moments while variations can be quickly entered by using Search and Replace. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>> On 20 Dec 2020, at 18:01, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ? For label printing I have used ?Label Factory Deluxe? since 2004. I have v3, but I see on their US website, there?s a v4.2 now. Unfortunately the UK website seems to have sunk into chaos. I don?t think it was freeware, but certainly wasn?t expensive. >>> You can compile address lists for Christmas card recipients, etc., but here, we prefer the personal touch whereby I dictate to the Boss as she handwrites them! Whenever I handwrite anything, people tell me I should have been a doctor! >>> Label Factory Deluxe has print options to adjust horizontal and vertical scale to fit your label sheet and/or printer eccentricities. See pic. >>> >>> >>> For CD?s, for me it?s CD-LabelPrint which came with my Canon printer (printing directly onto inkjet printable blanks in its dedicated CD drawer.) >>> I also have and recommend ?AMF CD and DVD Label Maker?, which does disc, front and back inserts. You need a steel rule and razor blade to trim the inserts, though, so best for one-offs or v short run. >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>> On 20 Dec 2020, at 13:06, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ? Avery have their own labelling software - https://www.avery.co.uk/software/design-print . 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Cheers, hic, Dave From waresound at msn.com Mon Dec 21 02:31:15 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:31:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Sunday Times In-Reply-To: <274145a6-db07-0b1c-31b9-566673da7c4f@btinternet.com> References: <274145a6-db07-0b1c-31b9-566673da7c4f@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Our nice Sainsbury?s delivery man puts it much higher than that too. Amongst yesterday?s, was a bottle of Rioja with a security tag still on it. I said to him, ?Here, have this one back as a Christmas present?. He backed away as if it was a hand grenade with the pin removed! No prob. I pulled the cork without getting splattered in indellible ink! Cheers, N.x Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 20 Dec 2020, at 22:52, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > ?They say that we are drinking 50% more than in the first lock-down! Amazing! I would put it much higher than that! Cheers, hic, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From nick at nickway.co.uk Mon Dec 21 05:52:30 2020 From: nick at nickway.co.uk (Nick Way) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 11:52:30 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Sanitizing a mic. In-Reply-To: References: <8F99A5E0-530B-474C-BD8C-EE10BD630048@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1966959691.407361.1608551550214@email.ionos.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_2162.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2997438 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Dec 21 06:18:48 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:18:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Musical stairs! In-Reply-To: <8999a704-fc23-e58d-51ec-687ae5022f10@btinternet.com> References: <8999a704-fc23-e58d-51ec-687ae5022f10@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <5fe092a8.1c69fb81.97f4e.7a68@mx.google.com> What a wonderful, daft idea! I would wonder at what they could do with the stair dance from 42nd Street! If one rides the escalator, would that provide a glissando? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 20 December 2020 22:25 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard Subject: [Tech1] Musical stairs! Inventive Swedes at it again! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Dec 21 06:35:06 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 12:35:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Musical stairs! In-Reply-To: <5fe092a8.1c69fb81.97f4e.7a68@mx.google.com> References: <8999a704-fc23-e58d-51ec-687ae5022f10@btinternet.com> <5fe092a8.1c69fb81.97f4e.7a68@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I did a brief drama insert at a minor tube station, which was shot mid morning when it wasn't too busy. The director had persuaded the station staff to run the escalators the opposite way to normal in order for the shot to work. We had a small number of extras travelling up and down the escalator to make it look busy, but real passengers were turning up all the time and were fascinated by the TV cameras and lights to such an extent that some ignored the signs warning them that the escalators were running the opposite way to normal. Having strolled onto what they assumed was the down escalator as usual, there was an initial look of panic or puzzlement before they were unceremoniously returned back where they started from, or else they decided to try running down the up escalator. Alan Taylor On 21 Dec 2020, at 21 Dec . 12:18, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > What a wonderful, daft idea! > I would wonder at what they could do with the stair dance from 42nd Street! > If one rides the escalator, would that provide a glissando? > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 20 December 2020 22:25 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] Musical stairs! > > Inventive Swedes at it again! Cheers, Dave > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 21 07:51:58 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 13:51:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... Message-ID: This came from another group ... I wish you all as pleasant a Christmas as possible - and please keep safe, especially those in T4... [I sincerely hope that no one is offended...] -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: iamdkkcnakkjdkjn.png Type: image/png Size: 492523 bytes Desc: not available URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Dec 21 08:26:52 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2020 14:26:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B393A42-C4B6-459F-88EC-FCF5D0B9F495@icloud.com> Love it! 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From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: Monday, December 21, 2020 1:51 PM To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... This came from another group ... I wish you all as pleasant a Christmas as possible - and please keep safe, especially those in T4... [I sincerely hope that no one is offended...] -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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B On 22/12/2020 12:40, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > Another scam?.Bastards > > We?ve since been alerted to yet another type of voicemail scam ? and > this time it?s about your IP address. > > Another automated message left in a woman?s voice says: > > /?In 24 to 48 hours as your IP address has been compromised from > several countries so we need to change your IP address and router > which will be free of charge? so please press 1 to get connected with > the technician.?/ > > / > / > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Dec 22 14:30:16 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:30:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Road haulage Message-ID: <9a7cf5ea-5a3f-519d-a654-b9a9731c3c7b@btinternet.com> I wonder if any of our OB rigger drivers have gone back to their roots as HGV drivers now that OBs has been killed off? When you hear about the 3500 drivers stuck in Kent with no sanitation, no water and one cereal bar being offered for food, I hope not, they deserve better! Cheers, Dave From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Dec 22 15:54:26 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 21:54:26 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Road haulage In-Reply-To: <9a7cf5ea-5a3f-519d-a654-b9a9731c3c7b@btinternet.com> References: <9a7cf5ea-5a3f-519d-a654-b9a9731c3c7b@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <008d01d6d8ad$046b21c0$0d416540$@gmail.com> All those drivers deserve better! Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 22 December 2020 20:30 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Road haulage I wonder if any of our OB rigger drivers have gone back to their roots as HGV drivers now that OBs has been killed off? When you hear about the 3500 drivers stuck in Kent with no sanitation, no water and one cereal bar being offered for food, I hope not, they deserve better! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From rogerbunce at btinternet.com Thu Dec 24 06:22:37 2020 From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 12:22:37 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] (no subject) Message-ID: <177711a5.13b35.17694b3769c.Webtop.83@btinternet.com> I've just completed another of those Doctor Who commentaries - except this was a Lock-Down one, using Zoom. But because people tend to talk across each other when Zoom-ing, and they wanted clean sound for editing, I had to . . . I had to . . . (I can't believe I'm saying this) . . . I had to wear HEADPHONES! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Never quite understood how those Zoom musical meetings work. I assume all recorded separately then mixed in post production. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 15:32:14 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 21:32:14 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d6da3c$3f5ab350$be1019f0$@gmail.com> I like these irreverent cartoons on the Christmas theme and this was new, or at least I hadn?t seen it before. On first glance, I saw what looked like a ghostly figure in the doorway with two arms and legs and a huge amorphous head which puzzled me, till my brain interpreted it properly. Did anyone else see that? I?ve drawn a few cartoons myself in the past with my somewhat limited skills and have attached one for you. It was done as a comment on the BBC?s Total Costing scheme which I?m sure those of you who were with us then will remember. The programme makers had to pay for each bit of the studio resources they used on the day, even though they were already installed and otherwise laying idle. One wondered how much they were charged for the use of a pencil sharpener that sat on the desk in the gallery in front of them. I don?t know whose idea the Total Costing scheme was but I can guess and it seemed to many of us like bean-counting gone mad, more likely to put anyone off rather than attract business ? but then, I was a mere foot soldier, not an officer and happy to remain so, Happy Christmas one and all, Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 21 December 2020 13:52 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... This came from another group ... I wish you all as pleasant a Christmas as possible - and please keep safe, especially those in T4... [I sincerely hope that no one is offended...] -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 492523 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Christmas Manger Cartoon.bmp Type: image/bmp Size: 2139280 bytes Desc: not available URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Dec 24 15:32:51 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2020 21:32:51 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001101d6da3c$555f2500$001d6f00$@gmail.com> I like these irreverent cartoons on the Christmas theme and this was new, or at least I hadn?t seen it before. On first glance, I saw what looked like a ghostly figure in the doorway with two arms and legs and a huge amorphous head which puzzled me, till my brain interpreted it properly. Did anyone else see that? I?ve drawn a few cartoons myself in the past with my somewhat limited skills and have attached one for you. It was done as a comment on the BBC?s Total Costing scheme which I?m sure those of you who were with us then will remember. The programme makers had to pay for each bit of the studio resources they used on the day, even though they were already installed and otherwise laying idle. One wondered how much they were charged for the use of a pencil sharpener that sat on the desk in the gallery in front of them. I don?t know whose idea the Total Costing scheme was but I can guess and it seemed to many of us like bean-counting gone mad, more likely to put anyone off rather than attract business ? but then, I was a mere foot soldier, not an officer and happy to remain so, Happy Christmas one and all, Geoff From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 21 December 2020 13:52 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... This came from another group ... I wish you all as pleasant a Christmas as possible - and please keep safe, especially those in T4... [I sincerely hope that no one is offended...] -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The van? had a tracker device and the police recovered it, and the parcels too, but the thieves had ripped the dashboard apart try to find the tracking device. The company she worked for has given her the sack, blacklisted her, and withheld all her wages as she hadn't fought the man and had left the keys in the ignition! The company who owns the van is demanding that she pays for the damage to it! There is a ?2000 excess on the policy and with no wages she has no money to pay for it! Her coat, bag and new iPhone were also taken and? yet the police haven't even interviewed her! What do you legal eagles think about the case? Cheers, Dave From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Dec 25 02:18:46 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 08:18:46 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... In-Reply-To: <001101d6da3c$555f2500$001d6f00$@gmail.com> References: <001101d6da3c$555f2500$001d6f00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <293696DEAD87466A944F63A3CB888A08@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> As you say Geoff, you never know if something is new or just that one has simply not come across it before. We came across the attached on yesterday?s walk in the nearby village of Stocklinch. And I add my greetings to yours for a happy Christmas to everyone ? as far as is possible in such strange times. It is being whispered about that many are quietly grateful for the excuse to avoid the family but, perish the thought, I?m sure there are none such among us! Dave Newbitt From: geoff.hawkes134--- via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 9:32 PM To: 'Alec Bray' ; Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... I like these irreverent cartoons on the Christmas theme and this was new, or at least I hadn?t seen it before. On first glance, I saw what looked like a ghostly figure in the doorway with two arms and legs and a huge amorphous head which puzzled me, till my brain interpreted it properly. Did anyone else see that? I?ve drawn a few cartoons myself in the past with my somewhat limited skills and have attached one for you. It was done as a comment on the BBC?s Total Costing scheme which I?m sure those of you who were with us then will remember. The programme makers had to pay for each bit of the studio resources they used on the day, even though they were already installed and otherwise laying idle. One wondered how much they were charged for the use of a pencil sharpener that sat on the desk in the gallery in front of them. I don?t know whose idea the Total Costing scheme was but I can guess and it seemed to many of us like bean-counting gone mad, more likely to put anyone off rather than attract business ? but then, I was a mere foot soldier, not an officer and happy to remain so, Happy Christmas one and all, Geoff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Wise Men.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2270208 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Fri Dec 25 03:33:58 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 09:33:58 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <386620443FF74C4CACBEB71459A06079@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Just what you need for Christmas. You all have my profound sympathy as clearly you are as distressed as she must be. It is clearly a prime example of utterly callous behaviour on the part of the delivery company, but I think I would hesitate to pass judgement on the police given the enormous over-burden of work they are enduring. I'm sure they would care and will hopefully make amends when man (or woman) power is available. This mornings 'Breakfast' with Louise strongly featured many of the heart-warming stories from this past year where humanity has shone through. Sadly your story shows the other end of the spectrum. Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 11:42 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story My youngest granddaughter (21 in October) had recently found a job she actually enjoyed, delivering parcels for a company used by Amazon. A couple of days ago she was delivering a parcel, got out of the van and opened the sliding side door, when a man brushed by her, jumped into the cab and drove off! She grabbed the man and the van but she is quite small and couldn't hold on. Luckily she wasn't hurt and the lady in the house she had delivered to rang the police for her. The van had a tracker device and the police recovered it, and the parcels too, but the thieves had ripped the dashboard apart try to find the tracking device. The company she worked for has given her the sack, blacklisted her, and withheld all her wages as she hadn't fought the man and had left the keys in the ignition! The company who owns the van is demanding that she pays for the damage to it! There is a ?2000 excess on the policy and with no wages she has no money to pay for it! Her coat, bag and new iPhone were also taken and yet the police haven't even interviewed her! What do you legal eagles think about the case? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From graeme.wall at icloud.com Fri Dec 25 04:40:59 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 10:40:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story In-Reply-To: <386620443FF74C4CACBEB71459A06079@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <386620443FF74C4CACBEB71459A06079@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <34BC45D6-2747-4317-8396-13A89C9B9E72@icloud.com> Unfortunately the insurance company will say she was culpable for keaving the keys in the ignition and if she?d left the engine runing, as many of her colleagues do, then she?s commited a road traffic offence as well so the pollice won?t be sympathetic. A very painful lesson. ? Graeme Wall > On 25 Dec 2020, at 09:33, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > > Just what you need for Christmas. You all have my profound sympathy as clearly you are as distressed as she must be. > It is clearly a prime example of utterly callous behaviour on the part of the delivery company, but I think I would hesitate > to pass judgement on the police given the enormous over-burden of work they are enduring. I'm sure they would care > and will hopefully make amends when man (or woman) power is available. This mornings 'Breakfast' with Louise strongly > featured many of the heart-warming stories from this past year where humanity has shone through. Sadly your story shows > the other end of the spectrum. > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 11:42 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story > > My youngest granddaughter (21 in October) had recently found a job she > actually enjoyed, delivering parcels for a company used by Amazon. A > couple of days ago she was delivering a parcel, got out of the van and > opened the sliding side door, when a man brushed by her, jumped into the > cab and drove off! She grabbed the man and the van but she is quite > small and couldn't hold on. Luckily she wasn't hurt and the lady in the > house she had delivered to rang the police for her. The van had a > tracker device and the police recovered it, and the parcels too, but the > thieves had ripped the dashboard apart try to find the tracking device. > The company she worked for has given her the sack, blacklisted her, and > withheld all her wages as she hadn't fought the man and had left the > keys in the ignition! The company who owns the van is demanding that she > pays for the damage to it! There is a ?2000 excess on the policy and > with no wages she has no money to pay for it! Her coat, bag and new > iPhone were also taken and yet the police haven't even interviewed her! > What do you legal eagles think about the case? Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Fri Dec 25 04:57:18 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 10:57:18 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story In-Reply-To: <386620443FF74C4CACBEB71459A06079@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <386620443FF74C4CACBEB71459A06079@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <58e45a95a2davesound@btinternet.com> In article <386620443FF74C4CACBEB71459A06079 at DESKTOP6GGCRV1>, David Newbitt via Tech1 wrote: > but I think I would hesitate > to pass judgement on the police given the enormous over-burden of work they > are enduring. I'm really not sure about that. Other day they were checking and stopping vehicles near here - ones with no tax, etc. There were too many police to count and over a dozen police vehicles. Maximum number of vehicles they had room for if stopped was 8. So getting on for 10 police per offender. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From alanaudio at me.com Fri Dec 25 05:22:00 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:22:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day Message-ID: What was I doing at this moment fifty years ago this very day? https:/ /genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/098e71bef10f4c889d741cf8ea3eae7a I was working on a live OB from a children?s hospital where Rolf Harris kindly gave up his Christmas Day to be with the little boys and girls. We thought at the time that he was being so selfless. That view might have been subsequently revised with the benefit of hindsight. Live OBs on Christmas Day were a regular feature of my life at Kendal Avenue and when freelancing afterwards. I remember realising that by the time my daughter was eight, I had only twice seen her open her Christmas presents and those occasions were probably because I was working either on Christmas Eve ( shows like OGWT live concerts, or Carols from Kings ) or on Boxing Day, when there was always a very full sports schedule. There was a range of live events covered for the BBC on Christmas Day. I can remember doing jobs covering The Queen going to church on Christmas morning, countless children?s hospital shows ( including one with special guest star Garry Glitter - anyone spotted a trend yet ?), then Noel Edmonds made a career of doing absurdly ambitious OBs on Christmas Day, such as the one from the Telecom Tower, which I didn?t work on, but I know some of you did. My favourite Christmas OB was for a show either called Christmas Day in the Workhouse, or more likely The Night Before Christmas - but I can?t remember which and I can?t find any mention of it online. The general idea was that OB crews would visit places where people would be working throughout Christmas Eve in order to provide live coverage. Crews were sent all over the place, one to a North Sea oil rig, others to a hospital outpatients department, a sewage works, a soup kitchen, a police station etc. I absolutely fell on my feet by being sent to the Chewton Glen Hotel in the New Forest. It was a super-luxurious hotel with a fantastic culinary tradition. We pottered about from Christmas Eve through till Midday covering the preparations for the big celebration on Christmas Day. Crew catering was provided by the restaurant kitchen, we were offered the same food as the guests. I will always remember enjoying an utterly sublime langoustine terrine on Christmas morning and buying champagne for the crew in the hotel bar at prices which I feared might be eye watering, but were actually tolerable. I was so impressed by the hotel that I thought it would be perfect for a special occasion. Much later, such as occasion was being considered and I phoned up the Chewton Glen, asking if they did ?bargain break? deals. In return I got the best and classiest put down ever. ?Sir, this is the Chewton Glen Hotel. People come here for many reasons, but seldom for a bargain?. These days the tables have been reversed regarding Christmas working. My wife is working a 12 ? hour shift at the hospital, with another one tomorrow, just as she does every Christmas and I?ll be at home. Peace on Earth is most definitely on the cards for me this Christmas as nobody is staying with us this year. In the light of all the changed rules and guidelines, I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a safe and socially distanced Christmas and a happy new Tier. Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Dec 25 05:44:58 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:44:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5fe5d0bb.1c69fb81.56d4d.6521@mx.google.com> This happened for real! The small daughter of a good friend lent her dolly to play the part of the infant Jesus in her school?s Nativity play. When it came to the bit: ?And Mary gave birth to a boy child...? Elisabeth piped up: ?actually, it?s a little girl!? (Bless her, she lives in the US, married to a British pilot who flies the F35 stealth fighter, and has two little girls of her own, now). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 21 December 2020 13:52 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... This came from another group ... -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: iamdkkcnakkjdkjn.png Type: image/png Size: 492523 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpn at imixmics.co.uk Fri Dec 25 05:45:52 2020 From: jpn at imixmics.co.uk (jpn) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 11:45:52 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: One memory is of doing the Christmas morning service from Windsor, then Christmas lunch (ham roll) in Windsor Station car park before driving down to my mum's in Somerset for the rest of Christmas. I also remember that the M4 was deserted - it was a long time ago.?John Nottage?Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 25/12/2020 11:22 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day What was I doing at this moment fifty years ago this very day?https:/ /genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/098e71bef10f4c889d741cf8ea3eae7aI was working on a live OB from a children?s hospital where Rolf Harris kindly gave up his Christmas Day ?to be with the little boys and girls. ?We thought at the time that he was being so selfless. That view might have been subsequently revised with the benefit of hindsight.?Live OBs on Christmas Day were a regular feature of my life at Kendal Avenue and when freelancing afterwards. ?I remember realising that by the time my daughter was eight, I had only twice seen her open her Christmas presents and those occasions were probably because I was working either on Christmas Eve ( shows like OGWT live concerts, or Carols from Kings ) or on Boxing Day, when there was always a very full sports schedule.There was a range of live events covered for the BBC on Christmas Day. ?I can remember doing jobs covering The Queen going to church on Christmas morning, countless children?s hospital shows ( including one with special guest star Garry Glitter - anyone spotted a trend yet ?), then Noel Edmonds made a career of doing absurdly ambitious OBs on Christmas Day, such as the one from the Telecom Tower, which I didn?t work on, but I know some of you did.My favourite Christmas OB was for a show either called Christmas Day in the Workhouse, or more likely The Night Before Christmas - but I can?t remember which and I can?t find any mention of it online. The general idea was that OB crews would visit places where people would be working throughout Christmas Eve in order to provide live coverage. ?Crews were sent all over the place, one to a North Sea oil rig, others to a hospital outpatients department, a sewage works, a soup kitchen, a police station etc. I absolutely fell on my feet by being sent to the Chewton Glen Hotel in the New Forest. ?It was a super-luxurious hotel with a fantastic culinary tradition. We pottered about from Christmas Eve through till Midday covering the preparations for the big celebration on Christmas Day. Crew catering was provided by the restaurant kitchen, we were offered the same food as the guests. ?I will always remember enjoying an utterly sublime langoustine terrine on Christmas morning and buying champagne for the crew in the hotel bar at prices which I feared might be eye watering, but were actually tolerable.I was so impressed by the hotel that I thought it would be perfect for a special occasion. ?Much later, such as occasion was being considered and I phoned up the Chewton Glen, asking if they did ?bargain break? deals. In return I got the best and classiest put down ever. ?Sir, this is the Chewton Glen Hotel. ?People come here for many reasons, but seldom for a bargain?.These days the tables have been reversed regarding Christmas working. ?My wife is working a 12 ? ?hour shift at the hospital, with another one tomorrow, just as she does every Christmas and I?ll be at home. ?Peace on Earth is most definitely on the cards for me this Christmas as nobody is staying with us this year.In the light of all ?the changed rules and guidelines, I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a safe and socially distanced Christmas and a happy new Tier.Alan Taylor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The small daughter of a good friend lent her dolly to play the part of the infant Jesus in her school?s Nativity play. When it came to the bit: ?And Mary gave birth to a boy child...? Elisabeth piped up: ?actually, it?s a little girl!? (Bless her, she lives in the US, married to a British pilot who flies the F35 stealth fighter, and has two little girls of her own, now). Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alec Bray via Tech1 Sent: 21 December 2020 13:52 To: TechOps Forum Subject: [Tech1] What else could possibly go wrong this year ... This came from another group ... [cid:part1.26B92F45.C22212AC at gmail.com] ________________________________ [Avast logo] This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com [cid:part1.26B92F45.C22212AC at gmail.com]-- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Coincidentally, the Neighbourhood Watch news alerts that I get from Surrey Police had this message a few days ago: ?As we all build up to a much-needed Christmas period and frantically buy presents for all of our loved ones, we have sadly seen an increase in delivery vans being stolen by some decidedly un-festive criminals. ? If you are working as a delivery driver, please remember to: ? ? Always turn your engine off and lock your vehicle whenever you get out ? ? Park your van in a highly visible spot if you are doing multiple deliveries on the same street so that you can see it at all times ? If you are expecting a delivery and see something out of the norm / suspicious call us ? we need to know what is going and will respond accordingly?. And we all know that insurance companies are as slippery as eels! Plus the fact that securing all doors of the vehicle and re-starting all takes time, and the delivery companies badger the drivers to complete their round in the shortest time! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 24 December 2020 23:42 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil; Pete; Dave; Dave; Dave; Richard Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story My youngest granddaughter (21 in October) had recently found a job she actually enjoyed, delivering parcels for a company used by Amazon. A couple of days ago she was delivering a parcel, got out of the van and opened the sliding side door, when a man brushed by her, jumped into the cab and drove off! She grabbed the man and the van but she is quite small and couldn't hold on. Luckily she wasn't hurt and the lady in the house she had delivered to rang the police for her. The van? had a tracker device and the police recovered it, and the parcels too, but the thieves had ripped the dashboard apart try to find the tracking device. The company she worked for has given her the sack, blacklisted her, and withheld all her wages as she hadn't fought the man and had left the keys in the ignition! The company who owns the van is demanding that she pays for the damage to it! There is a ?2000 excess on the policy and with no wages she has no money to pay for it! Her coat, bag and new iPhone were also taken and? yet the police haven't even interviewed her! What do you legal eagles think about the case? Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 06:43:34 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 12:43:34 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Lunch Message-ID: Honestly! My 2 hours 45 minutes turkey is done in 2.15. what on earth I going to do till the rest is ready? B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Dec 25 07:01:59 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 13:01:59 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day In-Reply-To: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> Message-ID: Having done many an early start on Dec 25th, one observation was the minimal number of cars or lorries on my drive to location, however nearly every lorry I did encounter was a milk tanker. It would appear that farmers haven?t found a way to switch off udders for Christmas. Alan Taylor > On 25 Dec 2020, at 11:45, jpn wrote: > > ? > One memory is of doing the Christmas morning service from Windsor, then Christmas lunch (ham roll) in Windsor Station car park before driving down to my mum's in Somerset for the rest of Christmas. I also remember that the M4 was deserted - it was a long time ago. > > John Nottage > > > From pat.heigham at amps.net Fri Dec 25 07:31:58 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 13:31:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day In-Reply-To: References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> Message-ID: <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> I remember working on a corporate video for Dairylea (I think). On a farm somewhere in rural England, I was intrigued that the tanker driver arrives and does his own loading of the milk from the cooler tank into the vehicle, just filling in a clipboard with the litres transferred. At the age of five, I lived next to a dairy farm and used to help drive the cows in for milking, running behind them, whacking their backsides with my stick. Pat (P.S. I hate milk ? used to give away my 1/3 pint at school). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 25 December 2020 13:02 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day Having done many an early start on Dec 25th, one observation was the minimal number of cars or lorries on my drive to location, however nearly every lorry I did encounter was a milk tanker. It would appear that farmers haven?t found a way to switch off udders for Christmas. Alan Taylor > On 25 Dec 2020, at 11:45, jpn wrote: > > ? > One memory is of doing the Christmas morning service from Windsor, then Christmas lunch (ham roll) in Windsor Station car park before driving down to my mum's in Somerset for the rest of Christmas. I also remember that the M4 was deserted - it was a long time ago. > > John Nottage > > > -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Dec 25 08:08:35 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 14:08:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] School milk In-Reply-To: <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In my grammar school in the '50s the 'A' forms did two years work in one, in the 4th. form, and took 4 'O' levels. We then jumped the 5th. form and went straight into the 6th. form for 3 years which gave lots of time for 'A' levels and anything extra you wanted ( I did Tech. Drawing). In 6 upper upper Science my best friend and I were asked if we would like to split the job as lab. tech. and got paid half the wage each! It meant we went in during half-terms etc. and cleaned the labs., filled the bottles etc. and in term time set-up the various experiments the masters had ordered.? Anyway, we had our own prep. room and when the school milk arrived from the dairy we extracted some, filled a large glass beaker, put it on a tripod and heated it with a bunsen burner and made Camp Coffee! Happy days! Cheers, Dave On 25/12/2020 13:31, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I remember working on a corporate video for Dairylea (I think). > > On a farm somewhere in rural England, I was intrigued that the tanker > driver arrives and does his own loading of the milk from the cooler > tank into the vehicle, just filling in a clipboard with the litres > transferred. At the age of five, I lived next to a dairy farm and used > to help drive the cows in for milking, running behind them, whacking > their backsides with my stick. > > Pat > > (P.S. I hate milk ? used to give away my 1/3 pint at school). > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent: *25 December 2020 13:02 > *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day > > Having done many an early start on Dec 25th, one observation was the > minimal number of cars or lorries on my drive to location, however > nearly every lorry I did encounter was a milk tanker.? It would appear > that farmers haven?t found a way to switch off udders for Christmas. > > Alan Taylor > > > On 25 Dec 2020, at 11:45, jpn wrote: > > > > > > ? > > > One memory is of doing the Christmas morning service from Windsor, > then Christmas lunch (ham roll) in Windsor Station car park before > driving down to my mum's in Somerset for the rest of Christmas. I also > remember that the M4 was deserted - it was a long time ago. > > > > > > John Nottage > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Tech1 mailing list > > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Fri Dec 25 09:02:16 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 15:02:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day In-Reply-To: <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Working in Pres over Christmas was always good. Just us and news, peaceful corridors, and lots of food laid out in Pres Desk. I never had to run the Queen's Speech, though Pauline did a few times. Nearest I got was running the backup backup 26mm from Pres A. I stood to attention to say Run TK. In those days the speech producer felt that 16mm was better than video, and would insist on running the sepmag film as main copy, with 2" as backup. Everything else on Christmas Day was run from VT B On Fri, 25 Dec 2020, 13:32 patheigham via Tech1, wrote: > I remember working on a corporate video for Dairylea (I think). > > On a farm somewhere in rural England, I was intrigued that the tanker > driver arrives and does his own loading of the milk from the cooler tank > into the vehicle, just filling in a clipboard with the litres transferred. > At the age of five, I lived next to a dairy farm and used to help drive the > cows in for milking, running behind them, whacking their backsides with my > stick. > > Pat > > (P.S. I hate milk ? used to give away my 1/3 pint at school). > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Alan Taylor via Tech1 > *Sent: *25 December 2020 13:02 > *To: *Tech-Ops-chit-chat > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day > > > > Having done many an early start on Dec 25th, one observation was the > minimal number of cars or lorries on my drive to location, however nearly > every lorry I did encounter was a milk tanker. It would appear that > farmers haven?t found a way to switch off udders for Christmas. > > > > > > > > Alan Taylor > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 Dec 2020, at 11:45, jpn wrote: > > > > > > ? > > > One memory is of doing the Christmas morning service from Windsor, then > Christmas lunch (ham roll) in Windsor Station car park before driving down > to my mum's in Somerset for the rest of Christmas. 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URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Fri Dec 25 12:37:44 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:37:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96201475-e60e-fc9b-d04f-1db63ece5d7c@btinternet.com> My all-time favourite Noel Edmonds Christmas (apart from a trip on Concorde to Clacton and back!) has to be on the bridge of HMS Scylla, steering her up one side of a convoy of oil tankers slightly faster than them , crossing over in front of them and slowing down to drift back on the other side just in case an Iranian 'Boghammer' high-speed gunboat decided to attack them. It was the biggest thing I have ever been in control of! Cheers, Dave On 25/12/2020 11:22, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > What was I doing at this moment fifty years ago this very day? > > https:/ /genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/098e71bef10f4c889d741cf8ea3eae7a > > > I was working on a live OB from a children?s hospital where Rolf > Harris kindly gave up his Christmas Day ?to be with the little boys > and girls. ?We thought at the time that he was being so selfless. That > view might have been subsequently revised with the benefit of hindsight. > > Live OBs on Christmas Day were a regular feature of my life at Kendal > Avenue and when freelancing afterwards. ?I remember realising that by > the time my daughter was eight, I had only twice seen her open her > Christmas presents and those occasions were probably because I was > working either on Christmas Eve ( shows like OGWT live concerts, or > Carols from Kings ) or on Boxing Day, when there was always a very > full sports schedule. > > There was a range of live events covered for the BBC on Christmas Day. > ?I can remember doing jobs covering The Queen going to church on > Christmas morning, countless children?s hospital shows ( including one > with special guest star Garry Glitter - anyone spotted a trend yet ?), > then Noel Edmonds made a career of doing absurdly ambitious OBs on > Christmas Day, such as the one from the Telecom Tower, which I didn?t > work on, but I know some of you did. > > My favourite Christmas OB was for a show either called Christmas Day > in the Workhouse, or more likely The Night Before Christmas - but I > can?t remember which and I can?t find any mention of it online. The > general idea was that OB crews would visit places where people would > be working throughout Christmas Eve in order to provide live coverage. > ?Crews were sent all over the place, one to a North Sea oil rig, > others to a hospital outpatients department, a sewage works, a soup > kitchen, a police station etc. I absolutely fell on my feet by being > sent to the Chewton Glen Hotel in the New Forest. ?It was a > super-luxurious hotel with a fantastic culinary tradition. We pottered > about from Christmas Eve through till Midday covering the preparations > for the big celebration on Christmas Day. Crew catering was provided > by the restaurant kitchen, we were offered the same food as the > guests. ?I will always remember enjoying an utterly sublime > langoustine terrine on Christmas morning and buying champagne for the > crew in the hotel bar at prices which I feared might be eye watering, > but were actually tolerable. > > I was so impressed by the hotel that I thought it would be perfect for > a special occasion. ?Much later, such as occasion was being considered > and I phoned up the Chewton Glen, asking if they did ?bargain break? > deals. In return I got the best and classiest put down ever. ?Sir, > this is the Chewton Glen Hotel. ?People come here for many reasons, > but seldom for a bargain?. > > These days the tables have been reversed regarding Christmas working. > ?My wife is working a 12 ? ?hour shift at the hospital, with another > one tomorrow, just as she does every Christmas and I?ll be at home. > ?Peace on Earth is most definitely on the cards for me this Christmas > as nobody is staying with us this year. > > In the light of all ?the changed rules and guidelines, I would like to > take this opportunity to wish you all a safe and socially distanced > Christmas and a happy new Tier. > > Alan Taylor > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Fri Dec 25 12:57:23 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 18:57:23 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day In-Reply-To: <96201475-e60e-fc9b-d04f-1db63ece5d7c@btinternet.com> References: <96201475-e60e-fc9b-d04f-1db63ece5d7c@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <6C72C7E6-A091-4ECE-B769-F8C122B25F47@me.com> That was the wonderful thing about Concorde. It could take you away from Clacton faster than anything else could. Alan Taylor > On 25 Dec 2020, at 18:37, dave.mdv wrote: > > ? > My all-time favourite Noel Edmonds Christmas (apart from a trip on Concorde to Clacton and back!) has to be on the bridge of HMS Scylla, steering her up one side of a convoy of oil tankers slightly faster than them , crossing over in front of them and slowing down to drift back on the other side just in case an Iranian 'Boghammer' high-speed gunboat decided to attack them. It was the biggest thing I have ever been in control of! 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Using the newly installed car phone (before personal mobiles) I spoke to the hotel ? and with an affirmative answer, we checked in. I couldn?t have my previous room, but was shown to a place in the attic. This was the most superb suite! I shot downstairs to check that it shouldn?t cost any more than a standard room. The lass on reception had a broad grin on her face, and said that it was a thank you. So it does work sometimes!! (without asking!). ?nother story ? re-hotels: A Thames TV job billeted us in a splendid family run hotel in Abersoch (Wales). Before we unloaded the kit, the owner rushed out and invited us to drive round the back and use the door to his office for storage and charging batteries. He offered his darkroom (we were on film). When questioned about him knowing about film crews, he admitted to having had a Harlech crew in, a couple of weeks earlier! Over pre-dinner drinks at the bar, he and his wife were going through a card index of previous guests who had wished to re-book for the following year ? and were filtering them as to whether they would consider having them back! The daughter of the family acted as waitress, and after we had perused the menu, would ask us: ?What did you like?? I interpreted that as what we might have chosen, was no longer available! Altogether a lovely shoot. Best Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Sent: 25 December 2020 11:22 To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day I absolutely fell on my feet by being sent to the Chewton Glen Hotel in the New Forest. ?It was a super-luxurious hotel with a fantastic culinary tradition. We pottered about from Christmas Eve through till Midday covering the preparations for the big celebration on Christmas Day. Crew catering was provided by the restaurant kitchen, we were offered the same food as the guests. ?I will always remember enjoying an utterly sublime langoustine terrine on Christmas morning and buying champagne for the crew in the hotel bar at prices which I feared might be eye watering, but were actually tolerable. I was so impressed by the hotel that I thought it would be perfect for a special occasion. ?Much later, such as occasion was being considered and I phoned up the Chewton Glen, asking if they did ?bargain break? deals. In return I got the best and classiest put down ever. ?Sir, this is the Chewton Glen Hotel. ?People come here for many reasons, but seldom for a bargain?. Alan Taylor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mibridge at mac.com Fri Dec 25 16:25:51 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2020 22:25:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story In-Reply-To: <5fe5d853.1c69fb81.31bd4.a2ae@mx.google.com> References: <5fe5d853.1c69fb81.31bd4.a2ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ever since reading this first time, I have been wanting to hear that this was a wind-up, Dave, but it sounds all too plausible and a hard way to learn some of the more unpleasant facts of life. Is it going to be a case of Grandad to the rescue, or Mum and Dad? Hoping for better things all round in 2021. Mike G > On 25 Dec 2020, at 12:17, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > What buggers! > Both the villains and the delivery company. > Coincidentally, the Neighbourhood Watch news alerts that I get from Surrey Police had this message a few days ago: > > ?As we all build up to a much-needed Christmas period and frantically buy presents for all of our loved ones, we have sadly seen an increase in delivery vans being stolen by some decidedly un-festive criminals. > > If you are working as a delivery driver, please remember to: > > ? Always turn your engine off and lock your vehicle whenever you get out > > ? Park your van in a highly visible spot if you are doing multiple deliveries on the same street so that you can see it at all times > > If you are expecting a delivery and see something out of the norm / suspicious call us ? we need to know what is going and will respond accordingly?. > > And we all know that insurance companies are as slippery as eels! Plus the fact that securing all doors of the vehicle and re-starting all takes time, and the delivery companies badger the drivers to complete their round in the shortest time! > > Pat > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 24 December 2020 23:42 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; Richard > Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story > > My youngest granddaughter (21 in October) had recently found a job she > actually enjoyed, delivering parcels for a company used by Amazon. A > couple of days ago she was delivering a parcel, got out of the van and > opened the sliding side door, when a man brushed by her, jumped into the > cab and drove off! She grabbed the man and the van but she is quite > small and couldn't hold on. Luckily she wasn't hurt and the lady in the > house she had delivered to rang the police for her. The van had a > tracker device and the police recovered it, and the parcels too, but the > thieves had ripped the dashboard apart try to find the tracking device. > The company she worked for has given her the sack, blacklisted her, and > withheld all her wages as she hadn't fought the man and had left the > keys in the ignition! The company who owns the van is demanding that she > pays for the damage to it! There is a ?2000 excess on the policy and > with no wages she has no money to pay for it! Her coat, bag and new > iPhone were also taken and yet the police haven't even interviewed her! > What do you legal eagles think about the case? 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URL: From sue.malden at btinternet.com Sat Dec 26 02:57:56 2020 From: sue.malden at btinternet.com (sue.malden) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 10:57:56 +0200 Subject: [Tech1] A Christmas Story In-Reply-To: <386620443FF74C4CACBEB71459A06079@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <5ED9C5061FEAFA54@re-prd-rgout-004.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) I trust you have all seen the Ken Loach film " Sorry We Missed You"Cheers SueSent from Samsung Mobile on O2 -------- Original message --------From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Date: 25/12/2020 11:34 (GMT+02:00) To: "dave.mdv" , tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk, Phil , Pete , Dave , Dave , Dave , Richard Subject: Re: [Tech1] A Christmas Story Just what you need for Christmas. You all have my profound sympathy as clearly you are as distressed as she must be.It is clearly a prime example of utterly callous behaviour on the part of the delivery company, but I think I would hesitateto pass judgement on the police given the enormous over-burden of work they are enduring. I'm sure they would careand will hopefully make amends when man (or woman) power is available. This mornings 'Breakfast' with Louise stronglyfeatured many of the heart-warming stories from this past year where humanity has shone through. Sadly your story showsthe other end of the spectrum.Dave Newbitt.-----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 11:42 PMTo: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk ; Phil ; Pete ; Dave ; Dave ; Dave ; RichardSubject: [Tech1] A Christmas StoryMy youngest granddaughter (21 in October) had recently found a job sheactually enjoyed, delivering parcels for a company used by Amazon. Acouple of days ago she was delivering a parcel, got out of the van andopened the sliding side door, when a man brushed by her, jumped into thecab and drove off! She grabbed the man and the van but she is quitesmall and couldn't hold on. Luckily she wasn't hurt and the lady in thehouse she had delivered to rang the police for her. The van? had atracker device and the police recovered it, and the parcels too, but thethieves had ripped the dashboard apart try to find the tracking device.The company she worked for has given her the sack, blacklisted her, andwithheld all her wages as she hadn't fought the man and had left thekeys in the ignition! The company who owns the van is demanding that shepays for the damage to it! There is a ?2000 excess on the policy andwith no wages she has no money to pay for it! Her coat, bag and newiPhone were also taken and? yet the police haven't even interviewed her!What do you legal eagles think about the case? Cheers, Dave-- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk Sat Dec 26 04:27:40 2020 From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 10:27:40 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' Message-ID: <000001d6db71$bd84c230$388e4690$@soundsuper.co.uk> Wonderful clip from 'Yes Minister' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9tzoGFszog Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 26 06:43:14 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 12:43:14 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Extra curricular (was School milk) In-Reply-To: References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5fe72fe2.1c69fb81.f353d.1f39@mx.google.com> I went on to a technical college for ?A? levels in Physics, Chemistry and Maths. But there was one period each week where we should do something different. Could have done carpentry, metalworking etc, but I opted for Country Dancing, calculating that it was a way to meet the girls from the secretarial courses. I learned all the square dance routines, which came in handy at subsequent parties. Also Morris Dancing ? don?t laugh! I was quite a good dancer and got drafted into the ring that taught us. One sunny day, we went round the local pubs in Surrey, asking the landlord if we could dance for the customers. Afterwards, the host graciously gave us a pint on the house ? back into the minibus and on to the next pub ? it was the neatest way to free beer! My involvement with Folk Dancing led to appearing at the Albert Hall as part of a festival ? I now have a badge saying: ?I?ve performed at the Albert Hall!? I did meet a lovely lass at the college dancing class ? pretty, with long auburn hair, who wanted to join the film club which I was helping to run. She proved more deft than I at setting up and operating the twin 16mm projectors that were installed in a dedicated projection room above the main assembly hall. Think I should have married her! Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dave.mdv Sent: 25 December 2020 14:08 To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] School milk In my grammar school in the '50s the 'A' forms did two years work in one, in the 4th. form, and took 4 'O' levels. We then jumped the 5th. form and went straight into the 6th. form for 3 years which gave lots of time for 'A' levels and anything extra you wanted ( I did Tech. Drawing). -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Sat Dec 26 07:05:16 2020 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:05:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day Message-ID: Not Christmas related, but I remember when working on 'Emmerdale Farm' at the farm, when the milk tanker turned up whatever was happening at the time had to stop, as nothing could get in its way. But at least it was done and away in no time - a very slick operation.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Alan Taylor via Tech1 Date: 25/12/2020 13:01 (GMT+00:00) To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat Subject: Re: [Tech1] Working on Christmas Day Having done many an early start on Dec 25th, one observation was the minimal number of cars or lorries on my drive to location, however nearly every lorry I did encounter was a milk tanker.? It would appear that farmers haven?t found a way to switch off udders for Christmas.Alan Taylor> On 25 Dec 2020, at 11:45, jpn wrote:> > ?> One memory is of doing the Christmas morning service from Windsor, then Christmas lunch (ham roll) in Windsor Station car park before driving down to my mum's in Somerset for the rest of Christmas. I also remember that the M4 was deserted - it was a long time ago. > > John Nottage > > > -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Dec 26 07:47:22 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:47:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] School milk In-Reply-To: References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58e4edfd83davesound@btinternet.com> I loved technical drawing and applied mechanics. But like most things involving a pencil wasn't that good at it. Took many years before the computer arrived and the ability to do tech drawing to a degree of accuracy I wanted. And use that a lot these days. The ability to draw out a neat circuit diagram (say) easily that betters hand drawn ones is much appreciated. In article , dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > In my grammar school in the '50s the 'A' forms did two years work in > one, in the 4th. form, and took 4 'O' levels. We then jumped the 5th. > form and went straight into the 6th. form for 3 years which gave lots of > time for 'A' levels and anything extra you wanted ( I did Tech. > Drawing). In 6 upper upper Science my best friend and I were asked if we > would like to split the job as lab. tech. and got paid half the wage > each! It meant we went in during half-terms etc. and cleaned the labs., > filled the bottles etc. and in term time set-up the various experiments > the masters had ordered. Anyway, we had our own prep. room and when the > school milk arrived from the dairy we extracted some, filled a large > glass beaker, put it on a tripod and heated it with a bunsen burner and > made Camp Coffee! Happy days! Cheers, Dave -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From davesound at btinternet.com Sat Dec 26 07:41:01 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 13:41:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Extra curricular (was School milk) In-Reply-To: <5fe72fe2.1c69fb81.f353d.1f39@mx.google.com> References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> <5fe72fe2.1c69fb81.f353d.1f39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <58e4ed680bdavesound@btinternet.com> In article <5fe72fe2.1c69fb81.f353d.1f39 at mx.google.com>, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > I went on to a technical college for ?A? levels in Physics, Chemistry and Maths. But there was one period each week where we should do something different. Could have done carpentry, metalworking etc, but I opted for Country Dancing, calculating that it was a way to meet the girls from the secretarial courses. I learned all the square dance routines, which came in handy at subsequent parties. At my Grammar school, both metal work and woodwork were compulsory for the first three years - as was Latin. Know which I use more in later life. ;-) A real character called Madam Murray ran dance classes for all secondary school pupils on a Saturday afternoon - followed by a dance for them in the evening. Since most of the Grammar type schools were single sex, the way of meeting the opposite sex in a controlled environment. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sat Dec 26 08:04:05 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 14:04:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Extra curricular (was School milk) In-Reply-To: <5fe72fe2.1c69fb81.f353d.1f39@mx.google.com> References: <20201225114553.34F83F4010A@st11p00im-smtpin004.me.com> <5fe5e9ce.1c69fb81.2bef.adc1@mx.google.com> <5fe72fe2.1c69fb81.f353d.1f39@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <37F6A42C-9559-4388-B69C-17A43ACC4D58@btinternet.com> There are many lovely ladies I ought to have married. One was my first love?Ah yes how lovely at her parents house being disturbed and offering to make tea when they cam win. I can still hear the shaking cups in my nerviness. Happy days > On 26 Dec 2020, at 12:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I went on to a technical college for ?A? levels in Physics, Chemistry and Maths. But there was one period each week where we should do something different. Could have done carpentry, metalworking etc, but I opted for Country Dancing, calculating that it was a way to meet the girls from the secretarial courses. I learned all the square dance routines, which came in handy at subsequent parties. > Also Morris Dancing ? don?t laugh! I was quite a good dancer and got drafted into the ring that taught us. One sunny day, we went round the local pubs in Surrey, asking the landlord if we could dance for the customers. Afterwards, the host graciously gave us a pint on the house ? back into the minibus and on to the next pub ? it was the neatest way to free beer! > My involvement with Folk Dancing led to appearing at the Albert Hall as part of a festival ? I now have a badge saying: ?I?ve performed at the Albert Hall!? > I did meet a lovely lass at the college dancing class ? pretty, with long auburn hair, who wanted to join the film club which I was helping to run. She proved more deft than I at setting up and operating the twin 16mm projectors that were installed in a dedicated projection room above the main assembly hall. > Think I should have married her! > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: dave.mdv > Sent: 25 December 2020 14:08 > To: patheigham ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] School milk > > In my grammar school in the '50s the 'A' forms did two years work in one, in the 4th. form, and took 4 'O' levels. We then jumped the 5th. form and went straight into the 6th. form for 3 years which gave lots of time for 'A' levels and anything extra you wanted ( I did Tech. Drawing). > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Sat Dec 26 09:21:54 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 15:21:54 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Extra curricular (was School milk) In-Reply-To: <37F6A42C-9559-4388-B69C-17A43ACC4D58@btinternet.com> References: <37F6A42C-9559-4388-B69C-17A43ACC4D58@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. We were interviewing people talking about their contribution, or where people watched it. At lunchtime I n the pub, I explained that I was one of the few people of my generation who didn?t watch the landings live on TV. My parents had gone on holiday, leaving me to look after the house. This was the first opportunity for me to have my girlfriend over for the whole night. As an eager teenager, what are you going to choose ? Watch TV, or boldly go where no man had gone before? The producer said that she loved that story and asked me to repeat it on camera and it ended up on the show. When the show was transmitted, the my former girlfriend recognised me and knew that the story was about her. She tracked me down via the Friends Re-United web site. We chatted and agreed to meet up, not least because we only lived about 15 miles apart. A couple of days before the reunion, I was working on another show and told the story of that first night together and how we were about to meet again. That evening I received a call from somebody who was working on a documentary about Friends Re-United and they would like to bring cameras along to that reunion. I had no difficulty in declining that proposal. Alan Taylor > On 26 Dec 2020, at 14:04, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: > > ?There are many lovely ladies I ought to have married. One was my first love?Ah yes how lovely at her parents house being disturbed and offering to make tea when they cam win. I can still hear the shaking cups in my nerviness. > Happy days > >> On 26 Dec 2020, at 12:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> I went on to a technical college for ?A? levels in Physics, Chemistry and Maths. But there was one period each week where we should do something different. Could have done carpentry, metalworking etc, but I opted for Country Dancing, calculating that it was a way to meet the girls from the secretarial courses. I learned all the square dance routines, which came in handy at subsequent parties. >> Also Morris Dancing ? don?t laugh! I was quite a good dancer and got drafted into the ring that taught us. One sunny day, we went round the local pubs in Surrey, asking the landlord if we could dance for the customers. Afterwards, the host graciously gave us a pint on the house ? back into the minibus and on to the next pub ? it was the neatest way to free beer! >> My involvement with Folk Dancing led to appearing at the Albert Hall as part of a festival ? I now have a badge saying: ?I?ve performed at the Albert Hall!? >> I did meet a lovely lass at the college dancing class ? pretty, with long auburn hair, who wanted to join the film club which I was helping to run. She proved more deft than I at setting up and operating the twin 16mm projectors that were installed in a dedicated projection room above the main assembly hall. >> Think I should have married her! >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: dave.mdv >> Sent: 25 December 2020 14:08 >> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] School milk >> >> In my grammar school in the '50s the 'A' forms did two years work in one, in the 4th. form, and took 4 'O' levels. We then jumped the 5th. form and went straight into the 6th. form for 3 years which gave lots of time for 'A' levels and anything extra you wanted ( I did Tech. Drawing). >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sat Dec 26 09:24:45 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 15:24:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Extra curricular (was School milk) In-Reply-To: References: <37F6A42C-9559-4388-B69C-17A43ACC4D58@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <08CEDDB2-811F-46B7-8873-4EA6E5282AF7@icloud.com> I had no such distractions, I was at Evesham that night! ? Graeme Wall > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. We were interviewing people talking about their contribution, or where people watched it. At lunchtime I n the pub, I explained that I was one of the few people of my generation who didn?t watch the landings live on TV. > > My parents had gone on holiday, leaving me to look after the house. This was the first opportunity for me to have my girlfriend over for the whole night. As an eager teenager, what are you going to choose ? Watch TV, or boldly go where no man had gone before? The producer said that she loved that story and asked me to repeat it on camera and it ended up on the show. > > When the show was transmitted, the my former girlfriend recognised me and knew that the story was about her. She tracked me down via the Friends Re-United web site. We chatted and agreed to meet up, not least because we only lived about 15 miles apart. A couple of days before the reunion, I was working on another show and told the story of that first night together and how we were about to meet again. That evening I received a call from somebody who was working on a documentary about Friends Re-United and they would like to bring cameras along to that reunion. > > I had no difficulty in declining that proposal. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 26 Dec 2020, at 14:04, Albert Barber via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?There are many lovely ladies I ought to have married. One was my first love?Ah yes how lovely at her parents house being disturbed and offering to make tea when they cam win. I can still hear the shaking cups in my nerviness. >> Happy days >> >>> On 26 Dec 2020, at 12:43, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> I went on to a technical college for ?A? levels in Physics, Chemistry and Maths. But there was one period each week where we should do something different. Could have done carpentry, metalworking etc, but I opted for Country Dancing, calculating that it was a way to meet the girls from the secretarial courses. I learned all the square dance routines, which came in handy at subsequent parties. >>> Also Morris Dancing ? don?t laugh! I was quite a good dancer and got drafted into the ring that taught us. One sunny day, we went round the local pubs in Surrey, asking the landlord if we could dance for the customers. Afterwards, the host graciously gave us a pint on the house ? back into the minibus and on to the next pub ? it was the neatest way to free beer! >>> My involvement with Folk Dancing led to appearing at the Albert Hall as part of a festival ? I now have a badge saying: ?I?ve performed at the Albert Hall!? >>> I did meet a lovely lass at the college dancing class ? pretty, with long auburn hair, who wanted to join the film club which I was helping to run. She proved more deft than I at setting up and operating the twin 16mm projectors that were installed in a dedicated projection room above the main assembly hall. >>> Think I should have married her! >>> Pat >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: dave.mdv >>> Sent: 25 December 2020 14:08 >>> To: patheigham; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] School milk >>> >>> In my grammar school in the '50s the 'A' forms did two years work in one, in the 4th. form, and took 4 'O' levels. We then jumped the 5th. form and went straight into the 6th. form for 3 years which gave lots of time for 'A' levels and anything extra you wanted ( I did Tech. Drawing). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From pat.heigham at amps.net Sat Dec 26 11:00:35 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 17:00:35 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: <08CEDDB2-811F-46B7-8873-4EA6E5282AF7@icloud.com> References: <37F6A42C-9559-4388-B69C-17A43ACC4D58@btinternet.com> <08CEDDB2-811F-46B7-8873-4EA6E5282AF7@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5fe76c33.1c69fb81.c0930.a0c1@mx.google.com> I may have posted this thought before: My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch on television, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 Hugh On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I may have posted this thought before: > > My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great > aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up > in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch _on > television_, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > > > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the > moon landings. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Geoff F On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was > allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to > take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis > was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk > on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough > for Brexit! > > A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me > passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 > > Hugh > > On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > I may have posted this thought before: > > > > My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) > during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house > with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch *on television*, man > walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. > > > > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 > wrote: > > > > > > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon > landings. > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_2169292354428946632_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Did they tell you anything from what they remember about the news reports at the time? My grandma died in 1961 at the age of 76 and I wish I?d asked her what she remembered as she was a good story teller. I?ve read the book ?A Night To Remember? by Walter Lord which inspired the film of the same name starring Kenneth Moore as Second Officer Lightoller and is a very graphic account. Quentin Mann said that his grandma was on board as a child and survived but gave no details. It remains a fascinating if tragic story, Geoff Hawkes > On 26 Dec 2020, at 18:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > My father was born in 1896 and was 45 years old when I was born in 1941. My mother was born in 1901 and died in 1981. Her life encompassed the first heavier thN air flight by the Wright brothers to a man on the moon and Concord. > Geoff F > >> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >> Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough for Brexit! >> >> A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 >> >> Hugh >> >> On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> I may have posted this thought before: >>> >>> >>> >>> My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. 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URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Sun Dec 27 06:58:51 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 12:58:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Carols from Kings on Christmas Eve on BBC2 - how was it covered? Message-ID: <4B8EA6C9-A00A-4E4A-876A-AA8DF2859258@gmail.com> We watched this yesterday and being a studio cameraman and not having worked on anything like that, I wondered how it was covered for sound and vision. There were two rows of young choristers facing each other on opposite sides of the nave with the Kings Singers lined up at one end and the conductor at the other. For the choristers it looked like they were using slung mics suspended from the ceiling though I couldn?t see how many but I assume they wouldn?t have had individual ones as there wouldn?t be a need. Would the OB crew have rigged those and if so, how - or are they a permanent setup for everyday PA purposes? I couldn?t see how the singers were mic?d, would they have had personal mics or shared? As for cameras, it looked as if they had a crane each end and I wondered how they kept them out of shot as in some cases they must?ve done a quick clear - and where to? At one end they could hide in the side aisle but not the other. I wondered how they got the close ups of the choristers on either side without seeing each other and the cameras must?ve been mounted as the shots were all steady. It all looked good, though had been there and capable, I would?ve done some of the developing shots on the crane differently but my coordination isn?t good enough to have been any good using a hot-head and I doubt if a Nike could?ve been fitted in! Would it have been recorded as one continuous performance as if it was a live service or would they have had recording breaks to allow the cameras to reposition? Questions, questions but perhaps those of you who worked on OB?s will indulge me (patiently) with some answers and might even enjoy re-living your experiences with a tale or two as you do, Geoff Hawkes From relong at btinternet.com Sun Dec 27 08:21:44 2020 From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 14:21:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Carols from Kings on Christmas Eve on BBC2 - how was it covered? In-Reply-To: <4B8EA6C9-A00A-4E4A-876A-AA8DF2859258@gmail.com> References: <4B8EA6C9-A00A-4E4A-876A-AA8DF2859258@gmail.com> Message-ID: <40DFD375-69A6-412B-9DB7-78AE8314CD8A@btinternet.com> I watched it closely on a 65? oled tele The ceiling is 27m high and delicate trace work of limestone! There were plenty of suspended schoeps above the choir and Kings Singers And radios on the readings Excellent sound As for pictures don?t they use remote heads on cranes and tracks ,they do on film. Brill job especially the riggers in that ceiling space.... Roger Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Dec 2020, at 12:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We watched this yesterday and being a studio cameraman and not having worked on anything like that, I wondered how it was covered for sound and vision. > There were two rows of young choristers facing each other on opposite sides of the nave with the Kings Singers lined up at one end and the conductor at the other. > For the choristers it looked like they were using slung mics suspended from the ceiling though I couldn?t see how many but I assume they wouldn?t have had individual ones as there wouldn?t be a need. Would the OB crew have rigged those and if so, how - or are they a permanent setup for everyday PA purposes? I couldn?t see how the singers were mic?d, would they have had personal mics or shared? > As for cameras, it looked as if they had a crane each end and I wondered how they kept them out of shot as in some cases they must?ve done a quick clear - and where to? At one end they could hide in the side aisle but not the other. I wondered how they got the close ups of the choristers on either side without seeing each other and the cameras must?ve been mounted as the shots were all steady. > It all looked good, though had been there and capable, I would?ve done some of the developing shots on the crane differently but my coordination isn?t good enough to have been any good using a hot-head and I doubt if a Nike could?ve been fitted in! > Would it have been recorded as one continuous performance as if it was a live service or would they have had recording breaks to allow the cameras to reposition? > > Questions, questions but perhaps those of you who worked on OB?s will indulge me (patiently) with some answers and might even enjoy re-living your experiences with a tale or two as you do, > Geoff Hawkes > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Sun Dec 27 08:34:00 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 14:34:00 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Carols from Kings on Christmas Eve on BBC2 - how was it covered? In-Reply-To: <4B8EA6C9-A00A-4E4A-876A-AA8DF2859258@gmail.com> References: <4B8EA6C9-A00A-4E4A-876A-AA8DF2859258@gmail.com> Message-ID: If you have the BBC pensioners association newsletter for last year there was a four page article mainly on lighting by Bernie Davies on Kings at Christmas Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Dec 2020, at 12:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > ?We watched this yesterday and being a studio cameraman and not having worked on anything like that, I wondered how it was covered for sound and vision. > There were two rows of young choristers facing each other on opposite sides of the nave with the Kings Singers lined up at one end and the conductor at the other. > For the choristers it looked like they were using slung mics suspended from the ceiling though I couldn?t see how many but I assume they wouldn?t have had individual ones as there wouldn?t be a need. Would the OB crew have rigged those and if so, how - or are they a permanent setup for everyday PA purposes? I couldn?t see how the singers were mic?d, would they have had personal mics or shared? > As for cameras, it looked as if they had a crane each end and I wondered how they kept them out of shot as in some cases they must?ve done a quick clear - and where to? At one end they could hide in the side aisle but not the other. I wondered how they got the close ups of the choristers on either side without seeing each other and the cameras must?ve been mounted as the shots were all steady. > It all looked good, though had been there and capable, I would?ve done some of the developing shots on the crane differently but my coordination isn?t good enough to have been any good using a hot-head and I doubt if a Nike could?ve been fitted in! > Would it have been recorded as one continuous performance as if it was a live service or would they have had recording breaks to allow the cameras to reposition? > > Questions, questions but perhaps those of you who worked on OB?s will indulge me (patiently) with some answers and might even enjoy re-living your experiences with a tale or two as you do, > Geoff Hawkes > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Sun Dec 27 08:34:58 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 14:34:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Carols from Kings on Christmas Eve on BBC2 - how was it covered? In-Reply-To: <40DFD375-69A6-412B-9DB7-78AE8314CD8A@btinternet.com> References: <4B8EA6C9-A00A-4E4A-876A-AA8DF2859258@gmail.com> <40DFD375-69A6-412B-9DB7-78AE8314CD8A@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <58e5762e05davesound@btinternet.com> In article <40DFD375-69A6-412B-9DB7-78AE8314CD8A at btinternet.com>, Roger Long via Tech1 wrote: > I watched it closely on a 65? oled tele Asked this before and got no comments. At the moment have a Panny 65" LCD about 3 years old. Generally quite happy with it - although the GUI could be better. Given the high cost, is an oled of the same size worth it? It is mainly used for broadcast. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From graeme.wall at icloud.com Sun Dec 27 10:26:58 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2020 16:26:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Carols from Kings on Christmas Eve on BBC2 - how was it covered? In-Reply-To: References: <4B8EA6C9-A00A-4E4A-876A-AA8DF2859258@gmail.com> Message-ID: <177964B2-D033-45EA-A91D-072277F0147E@icloud.com> A very old picture but this is rigging Ely cathedral choir for a recording of the Messiah in the early 1970s. that's muggins with my back to the camera. ? Graeme Wall > On 27 Dec 2020, at 14:34, Ravenscourt via Tech1 wrote: > > If you have the BBC pensioners association newsletter for last year there was a four page article mainly on lighting by Bernie Davies on Kings at Christmas > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 27 Dec 2020, at 12:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?We watched this yesterday and being a studio cameraman and not having worked on anything like that, I wondered how it was covered for sound and vision. >> There were two rows of young choristers facing each other on opposite sides of the nave with the Kings Singers lined up at one end and the conductor at the other. >> For the choristers it looked like they were using slung mics suspended from the ceiling though I couldn?t see how many but I assume they wouldn?t have had individual ones as there wouldn?t be a need. Would the OB crew have rigged those and if so, how - or are they a permanent setup for everyday PA purposes? I couldn?t see how the singers were mic?d, would they have had personal mics or shared? >> As for cameras, it looked as if they had a crane each end and I wondered how they kept them out of shot as in some cases they must?ve done a quick clear - and where to? At one end they could hide in the side aisle but not the other. I wondered how they got the close ups of the choristers on either side without seeing each other and the cameras must?ve been mounted as the shots were all steady. >> It all looked good, though had been there and capable, I would?ve done some of the developing shots on the crane differently but my coordination isn?t good enough to have been any good using a hot-head and I doubt if a Nike could?ve been fitted in! >> Would it have been recorded as one continuous performance as if it was a live service or would they have had recording breaks to allow the cameras to reposition? >> >> Questions, questions but perhaps those of you who worked on OB?s will indulge me (patiently) with some answers and might even enjoy re-living your experiences with a tale or two as you do, >> Geoff Hawkes >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Another occasion, filming in Rye for ?Hazlitt in Love? for Thames TV (1977), there was an end of shoot crew and cast dinner in the Mermaid Inn. One of the cast, emboldened by wine, stood up on the table and gave a rousing rendition of ?Blueberry Hill? to great acclaim. A super occasion when the techs and actors got together to party! Happy New Year Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Robert Miles via Tech1 Sent: 26 December 2020 10:27 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' Wonderful clip from ?Yes Minister? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9tzoGFszog Rob -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Dec 28 04:58:05 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 10:58:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' In-Reply-To: <5fe9b39b.1c69fb81.f082b.1e42@mx.google.com> References: <000001d6db71$bd84c230$388e4690$@soundsuper.co.uk> <5fe9b39b.1c69fb81.f082b.1e42@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8F582B8A-F14A-42F9-A1C6-4C905A913643@me.com> The episode when hacker became PM was on just before Christmas, and it could've been written then. "The more things change, the more things stay the same." Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:29, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > That series was absolutely brilliant ? wonderful satire, superbly written and played ? a complete joy! Before we lost him, I recorded an interview with Nigel Hawthorne at his home. He had a large barn with a refectory table for entertaining. What was neat was that at the end of the barn was a miniature theatre stage, so after dinner, the guest thesps could give their party pieces! That would have been fun to have been in on. > > Another occasion, filming in Rye for ?Hazlitt in Love? for Thames TV (1977), there was an end of shoot crew and cast dinner in the Mermaid Inn. One of the cast, emboldened by wine, stood up on the table and gave a rousing rendition of ?Blueberry Hill? to great acclaim. A super occasion when the techs and actors got together to party! > > Happy New Year > Pat > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Robert Miles via Tech1 > Sent: 26 December 2020 10:27 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' > > Wonderful clip from ?Yes Minister? > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9tzoGFszog > > Rob > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alawrance1 at me.com Mon Dec 28 04:59:04 2020 From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 10:59:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' In-Reply-To: <8F582B8A-F14A-42F9-A1C6-4C905A913643@me.com> References: <000001d6db71$bd84c230$388e4690$@soundsuper.co.uk> <5fe9b39b.1c69fb81.f082b.1e42@mx.google.com> <8F582B8A-F14A-42F9-A1C6-4C905A913643@me.com> Message-ID: Apologies, 'Hacker'. > On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > The episode when hacker became PM was on just before Christmas, and it could've been written then. > > "The more things change, the more things stay the same." > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > Don?t blame me, I voted Remain. > > > > > > > > > > >> On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:29, patheigham via Tech1 > wrote: >> >> That series was absolutely brilliant ? wonderful satire, superbly written and played ? a complete joy! Before we lost him, I recorded an interview with Nigel Hawthorne at his home. He had a large barn with a refectory table for entertaining. What was neat was that at the end of the barn was a miniature theatre stage, so after dinner, the guest thesps could give their party pieces! That would have been fun to have been in on. >> >> Another occasion, filming in Rye for ?Hazlitt in Love? for Thames TV (1977), there was an end of shoot crew and cast dinner in the Mermaid Inn. One of the cast, emboldened by wine, stood up on the table and gave a rousing rendition of ?Blueberry Hill? to great acclaim. A super occasion when the techs and actors got together to party! >> >> Happy New Year >> Pat >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Robert Miles via Tech1 >> Sent: 26 December 2020 10:27 >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' >> >> Wonderful clip from ?Yes Minister? >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9tzoGFszog >> >> Rob >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Mon Dec 28 06:04:17 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:04:17 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' In-Reply-To: References: <000001d6db71$bd84c230$388e4690$@soundsuper.co.uk> <5fe9b39b.1c69fb81.f082b.1e42@mx.google.com> <8F582B8A-F14A-42F9-A1C6-4C905A913643@me.com> Message-ID: <5fe9c9c1.1c69fb81.1a744.b7d0@mx.google.com> The French, bless* them! Have it as: French plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose (?the more it changes, the more it's the same thing?). *?blesser?(Fr) means to hurt or wound! I saw a satirical take on leaving the EU ? it was a reminder of the French influence on our everyday language phrases. I can?t remember if it was a TV programme or an e-mail to me. Back to the wine, then! A friend of mine doesn?t believe that it?s genuine wine if it doesn?t come from France and has a cork! (Total pedant!) I believe that a lot of producers now use a screw cap. Was there a problem with the Portuguese cork industry? I guess that a screw cap is helpful in the Australian outback if Sheila has forgotten to pack the corkscrew! (but what do they now hang round their hats?) If we are exiting the EU, can we now call our sparkling wine ?champagne?? Camel Valley is giving the French fizz makers a run for their money, by bettering them with the product. Maybe the UK can insist that stuff made outside the areas cannot be called Stilton, Cheddar, Melton Mowbray pies etc. In the run-up to Christmas one year, the cameraman I worked through was going to fly some guys across to Le Touquet for a jolly, and invited me to join in as he didn?t want to eat lunch on his own. Armed with loads of francs, I hit the local wine cave to get some Veuve Clicquot. I protested that it was two quid a bottle cheaper at my local wine store in the UK. The proprietor just gave the gallic shrug, saying that if I wanted Clicquot, then pay. Money back in my wallet ? he lost a sale of about ?200 and Majestic benefitted. What a ?chatte?. Happy New Year? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: The episode when hacker became PM was on just before Christmas, and it could've been written then. "The more things change, the more things stay the same." Alasdair Lawrance alawrance1 at me.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Mon Dec 28 06:32:20 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:32:20 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' In-Reply-To: <5fe9c9c1.1c69fb81.1a744.b7d0@mx.google.com> References: <5fe9c9c1.1c69fb81.1a744.b7d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Proper Stilton and Melton Mowbray may be the least of our worries once we get our amazing trade deal with America. Over there, the stuff they call Parmesan has never been anywhere near Italy, least of all Parma. They are allowed to make it with bleached, dried milk powder and include 20% processed wood pulp, but still sell it as Parmesan. https://www.seriouseats.com/2016/08/best-parmesan-cheese-parmigiano-reggiano-labeling.html Bon Appetit Alan Taylor > On 28 Dec 2020, at 12:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > The French, bless* them! Have it as: > French plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose (?the more it changes, the more it's the same thing?). > > *?blesser?(Fr) means to hurt or wound! > > I saw a satirical take on leaving the EU ? it was a reminder of the French influence on our everyday language phrases. > I can?t remember if it was a TV programme or an e-mail to me. Back to the wine, then! > A friend of mine doesn?t believe that it?s genuine wine if it doesn?t come from France and has a cork! (Total pedant!) I believe that a lot of producers now use a screw cap. Was there a problem with the Portuguese cork industry? I guess that a screw cap is helpful in the Australian outback if Sheila has forgotten to pack the corkscrew! (but what do they now hang round their hats?) > If we are exiting the EU, can we now call our sparkling wine ?champagne?? Camel Valley is giving the French fizz makers a run for their money, by bettering them with the product. > Maybe the UK can insist that stuff made outside the areas cannot be called Stilton, Cheddar, Melton Mowbray pies etc. > > In the run-up to Christmas one year, the cameraman I worked through was going to fly some guys across to Le Touquet for a jolly, and invited me to join in as he didn?t want to eat lunch on his own. Armed with loads of francs, I hit the local wine cave to get some Veuve Clicquot. I protested that it was two quid a bottle cheaper at my local wine store in the UK. The proprietor just gave the gallic shrug, saying that if I wanted Clicquot, then pay. Money back in my wallet ? he lost a sale of about ?200 and Majestic benefitted. What a ?chatte?. > Happy New Year? > Pat > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: > > The episode when hacker became PM was on just before Christmas, and it could've been written then. > > "The more things change, the more things stay the same." > > Alasdair Lawrance > alawrance1 at me.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mon Dec 28 06:35:21 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:35:21 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' In-Reply-To: <5fe9c9c1.1c69fb81.1a744.b7d0@mx.google.com> References: <000001d6db71$bd84c230$388e4690$@soundsuper.co.uk> <5fe9b39b.1c69fb81.f082b.1e42@mx.google.com> <8F582B8A-F14A-42F9-A1C6-4C905A913643@me.com> <5fe9c9c1.1c69fb81.1a744.b7d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <8f10f755-1980-3ce6-e570-b8546ed7e003@gmail.com> Hi, On 28/12/2020 12:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: > Was there a problem with the Portuguese cork industry? Nah!? When I was a Member of the Institute of Quality Assurance, one of our local area meetings was held at? Laithwaites? premises at Theale (Laithwaites do the Sunday Times Wine Club, inter alia). One question concerned "closures". Answer was interesting.? There's a lot of poncy doodah about the tasting of the wine at the table.? Started as a way of checking that the wine was not "corked" but very few people can actually detect if a wine is corked, so the whole business is pointless. The best closure (technically and taste-wise) for wine is the crown tops as used on beer bottles: the screw closure comes second.? Crown closures are actually used as part of the "methode champagnoise".? Cork is porous, lets in air (and so ages the wine), but chlorine can interact with fungi during? cork processing and can taint up to 10% of wine so closed.? Also, cork can be up to three tines as expensive as screw caps. With screw taps you never have to "taste" the wine - it's pointless as it can not be "corked!". IMHO, the best wine from Laithwaites is "Black Stump"? (combined Durif and Shiraz) -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Mon Dec 28 06:40:42 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:40:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] 'The BBC cannot give in to government pressure' In-Reply-To: References: <5fe9c9c1.1c69fb81.1a744.b7d0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Stilton and Melton Mowbray pies are already protected, it?s Cheddar that isn?t, it?s been a generic desricption of that type of hard cheese for too long. ? Graeme Wall > On 28 Dec 2020, at 12:32, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > Proper Stilton and Melton Mowbray may be the least of our worries once we get our amazing trade deal with America. Over there, the stuff they call Parmesan has never been anywhere near Italy, least of all Parma. They are allowed to make it with bleached, dried milk powder and include 20% processed wood pulp, but still sell it as Parmesan. > > https://www.seriouseats.com/2016/08/best-parmesan-cheese-parmigiano-reggiano-labeling.html > > Bon Appetit > > Alan Taylor > > > > >> On 28 Dec 2020, at 12:04, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> The French, bless* them! Have it as: >> French plus ?a change, plus c'est la m?me chose (?the more it changes, the more it's the same thing?). >> >> *?blesser?(Fr) means to hurt or wound! >> >> I saw a satirical take on leaving the EU ? it was a reminder of the French influence on our everyday language phrases. >> I can?t remember if it was a TV programme or an e-mail to me. Back to the wine, then! >> A friend of mine doesn?t believe that it?s genuine wine if it doesn?t come from France and has a cork! (Total pedant!) I believe that a lot of producers now use a screw cap. Was there a problem with the Portuguese cork industry? I guess that a screw cap is helpful in the Australian outback if Sheila has forgotten to pack the corkscrew! (but what do they now hang round their hats?) >> If we are exiting the EU, can we now call our sparkling wine ?champagne?? Camel Valley is giving the French fizz makers a run for their money, by bettering them with the product. >> Maybe the UK can insist that stuff made outside the areas cannot be called Stilton, Cheddar, Melton Mowbray pies etc. >> >> In the run-up to Christmas one year, the cameraman I worked through was going to fly some guys across to Le Touquet for a jolly, and invited me to join in as he didn?t want to eat lunch on his own. Armed with loads of francs, I hit the local wine cave to get some Veuve Clicquot. I protested that it was two quid a bottle cheaper at my local wine store in the UK. The proprietor just gave the gallic shrug, saying that if I wanted Clicquot, then pay. Money back in my wallet ? he lost a sale of about ?200 and Majestic benefitted. What a ?chatte?. >> Happy New Year? >> Pat >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> On 28 Dec 2020, at 10:58, Alasdair Lawrance wrote: >> >> The episode when hacker became PM was on just before Christmas, and it could've been written then. >> >> "The more things change, the more things stay the same." >> >> Alasdair Lawrance >> alawrance1 at me.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From crew13 at vincent68.plus.com Tue Dec 29 04:40:49 2020 From: crew13 at vincent68.plus.com (crew13) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:40:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male Message-ID: Carols from Kings was indeed well made. But the bit I saw was all white blokes! Time for a change I think John V From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Tue Dec 29 04:43:05 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 10:43:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A Facebook Scam In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7875210e-7365-a6e2-760a-3e10aacd7c7e@btinternet.com> Here's a new one to me; it begins: 'Hi, Recently we received reports that your page published posts that doesn't comply with our policy.' Then a reply address etc. Here's the header: Subject: Your action is required. Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 22:16:53 +0000 From: Facebook OK.? So I send it to:? Phishing Report . [Viewing the email source offered nothing I could readily interpret]. As a v. rare Facebook user, I'd guess this would be a random scam,? [Now deleted].? And phishing.gov has aclnowledged - adding it to the 4,264.242 scam posts they've received. Has anyone else had it? 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The tale of stolen delivery vans is tragic ? again our county Police are warning drivers about this, see my previous posting. My celebrations consisted of lying on my bed, reading e-books on a tablet, drinking champagne and eating Thorntons chocolates. Really debauched! Thank goodness for electronic communications. Well, the Christmas meal went out of the window as the friend I was going to share it with came under tier 4, as I was, so it was isolation time again. However, I have been making DVD?s of the filmed version of ?42nd Street?, kindly downloaded by Bob Foley, whom I trained at TVC. A superb show ? I saw it ten times, (Bob, 3) taking various friends along. Think I spent as much as I would have laying on a bun-fight in the village hall to celebrate my 75th. Pure entertainment and I wonder what George Inns, Stewart Morris and Ernie Maxim would have made of it. (There was one moment, straight out of the B & W Minstrels, where the girls parade down to camera!). The film version was shot in 4K with eight cameras, well organised and the edit maintained the wide shot to show the splendid staging and choreography. All best wishes Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: 29 December 2020 10:43 To: Tech1 at tech-ops Subject: [Tech1] A Facebook Scam Here's a new one to me; it begins: 'Hi, Recently we received reports that your page published posts that doesn't comply with our policy.' Then a reply address etc. Here's the header:? Subject: Your action is required. Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 22:16:53 +0000 From: Facebook OK.? So I send it to:? Phishing Report . [Viewing the email source offered nothing I could readily interpret]. As a v. rare Facebook user, I'd guess this would be a random scam,? [Now deleted].? And phishing.gov has aclnowledged - adding it to the 4,264.242 scam posts they've received. Has anyone else had it? 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There has been some comment in the choral community about that. I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. Cheers and Happy New Year, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. > > But the bit I saw was all white blokes! > > Time for a change I think > > John V > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk Tue Dec 29 06:52:08 2020 From: mail at terrymeadowcroft.co.uk (terrymeadowcroft) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 12:52:08 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Email problems - please unsubscribe me. Message-ID: I have been forced to unsubscribe from my IPS forum (in)activity because of a virus attack mon my email account which forced IONOS, my server, to lock off my email account over all Christmas. Please would you unsubscribe me fro the Tech forum also, so I maysimplify my email input and hopefully narrow down the input to my email account. Happy New Year all, and thanks. Terry ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Terry Meadowcroft MIPS, Sound Recordist, Retired, 2 Cartoft Cottages, Near Kirkbymoorside, North Yorkshire YO62 6NU Telephone 01751 432656 Mobile 07710 740932 From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 07:35:45 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 13:35:45 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d6dde7$83027ad0$89077070$@gmail.com> Nick, A hearty Hear, Hear from me. By all means transmit another 'socially balanced' performance if required, but DO NOT get rid of this traditional masterpiece from the airwaves Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: 29 December 2020 12:24 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than that. I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about that. I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. Cheers and Happy New Year, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. > > But the bit I saw was all white blokes! > > Time for a change I think > > John V > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Tue Dec 29 08:02:25 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 14:02:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58e67adf99davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say > that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being > ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to > join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy > probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason > than that. I'd guess it also comes down to the pool of applicants. And where you get them from. At Thames, our HOD had some concerns that we were near exclusively a white male department (only one female) and set about trying to make sure it was purely on merit. So changed where we advertised for trainees to include music papers etc that might well have a broader readership. Sadly Thames lost its franchise before we knew if this approach worked. The Teddington site certainly wasn't exclusively male and white, though. ;-) -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com Tue Dec 29 08:38:08 2020 From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 14:38:08 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male Message-ID: A quick look at Google tells me that the proportion of Asian people in the UK is about 8%, and black, 3%.? So it shouldn't be too surprising that you get instances where all the members of a small group are white.? It doesn't necessarily mean that anyone is excluded because of their colour.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Dave Plowman> I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say> that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being> ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to> join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy> probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason> than that.I'd guess it also comes down to the pool of applicants. And where you getthem from.At Thames, our HOD had some concerns that we were near exclusively a whitemale department (only one female) and set about trying to make sure it waspurely on merit. So changed where we advertised for trainees to includemusic papers etc that might well have a broader readership. Sadly Thameslost its franchise before we knew if this approach worked.The Teddington site certainly wasn't exclusively male and white, though.;-)-- ??? Dave Plowman???? dave at davesound.co.uk???? London SW 12??? -- Tech1 mailing listTech1 at tech-ops.co.ukhttp://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 08:38:42 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 14:38:42 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] FW; from Bruce Miller Message-ID: <49564e7f-02eb-2454-cd74-351cbaa48dac@gmail.com> You may not have been aware that two of the regular adult Kings choir tested positive for COVID the week before recording so had to isolate hence the short notice addition of the ?King Singers? 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URL: From saranewman at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 10:28:04 2020 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:28:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: <025087B5-8837-4BC8-9F8C-9DC476929752@gmail.com> References: <025087B5-8837-4BC8-9F8C-9DC476929752@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I grew up in North Manchester in a Jewish community and in the ?village? was a shop called Titanic?s. It was one of those wonderful deli?s that sold wonderful meats, pickles and breads. It had huge jars of preserved fruits and pickles for decoration behind the counter. Yiddish was spoken and I remember one day going with my mother and asking her why was it called Titanic's I must have done it in school or something. The lovely old man came from the back of the counter and told me that he had survived the sinking. He lost his parents. He came to Cheetham Hill to live with a relative and money that the family had left they used to build this business up and it was called after the ship so that no one would forget. I often think of him when I see the older version of the film. Sara > On 27 Dec 2020, at 11:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: > > Another significant event in their youth was the sinking of the Titanic. Did they tell you anything from what they remember about the news reports at the time? My grandma died in 1961 at the age of 76 and I wish I?d asked her what she remembered as she was a good story teller. I?ve read the book ?A Night To Remember? by Walter Lord which inspired the film of the same name starring Kenneth Moore as Second Officer Lightoller and is a very graphic account. Quentin Mann said that his grandma was on board as a child and survived but gave no details. It remains a fascinating if tragic story, > Geoff Hawkes > >> On 26 Dec 2020, at 18:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? >> My father was born in 1896 and was 45 years old when I was born in 1941. My mother was born in 1901 and died in 1981. Her life encompassed the first heavier thN air flight by the Wright brothers to a man on the moon and Concord. >> Geoff F >> >> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > wrote: >> Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough for Brexit! >> >> A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 >> >> Hugh >> >> On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>> I may have posted this thought before: >>> >>> >>> >>> My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch on television, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> www.avast.com >>> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Dec 29 11:00:45 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 17:00:45 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <134E7C44-96E9-42EA-A3DA-FCFDFA92A6C5@me.com> If you haven?t already found out more about him, this is what it says about him on the web site Encyclopaedia Titanica. It?s an amazing story. There is also an article about him on the BBC site, including a relatively recent picture of his shop. The article explains that he originally sailed from Germany in 1912 on a different ship bound for America. When they reached Glasgow, the captain told him that they were in America and abandoned him. Apparently this was quite a common scam at that time. When he realised that he wasn?t in New York, he saved up enough money to travel to Southampton and buy a ticket on the next available voyage - the Titanic. Alan Taylor Mr Joseph Abraham Hyman was born within the Russian Empire on 15 February (probably 1881). He came to England as a young man, possibly fleeing the pogroms of Eastern Europe at the time, and eventually settled within Manchester's thriving Jewish community. He was married in 1902 to Esther Levy (b. 1880), a native of Manchester, and by 1911 the couple had five children: Julius (b. 1903), Ann (b. 1904), Lilian (b. 1906), Morris (b. 1907) and Ena (b. 1909) and they were living at 45 Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, he was described as a storekeeper. Abraham boarded the Titanic in Southampton as a third class passenger (ticket number 3470 which cost ?7, 17s, 9d) on 10 April 1912 and he was travelling alone to Springfield, Massachusetts where he had a brother, Harry. He was listed as a picture frame maker. He later described his escape in collapsible C: "...The forward deck was jammed with the people, all of them pushing and clawing and fighting, and so I walked forward and stepped over the end of the boat that was being got ready and sat down,? he told The New York Times. ?Nobody disturbed me, and then a line of men gathered along the side and only opened when a woman or a child came forward. When a man tried to get through, he would be pushed back...? Reaching America aboard Carpathia Abraham was met by his brother and granted several interviews to local newspapers. His wife refused to cross the Atlantic to join him and Abraham also had reservations about making the crossing again. His time spent in New York, however, with its diverse ethnicities and religions and their associated stores inspired Abraham pursue an enterprise back in England. He eventually returned to Manchester where he opened a Kosher deli and grocery store, J. A. Hyman Ltd on Waterloo Road. Locals referred to Abraham as the "Titanic Man" and the store became known as Titanics. The store is still in operation today and still within the Hyman family. He and his wife had a further two children, Jonas (b. 1913) and Rachel (b. 1915) and later settled at 230 Waterloo Road, Cheetham and it was whilst living here that Abraham was widowed when his wife Esther died on 14 September 1927 aged 46. Abraham was remarried on 29 June 1929 in New Kahal Chassidim Synagogue to widow Esther Libbert, n?e Rosengrass (b. 1886) of 385 Waterloo Road, Cheetham. Esther was a native of Cheetham, Manchester and was married in 1909 to Abraham Libbert (1886-1921), a jeweller, and the couple had one son and one daughter, Jack and Fanny. Abraham and his new wife were living in Southport, Lancashire when Abraham was again widowed on 9 June 1951. He later resettled in Manchester at 25 Crumpsall Lane and he died on 6 March 1956 in The Victoria Memorial Jewish Hospital in Manchester. > On 29 Dec 2020, at 16:28, sara newman via Tech1 wrote: > > ? Hi, > > I grew up in North Manchester in a Jewish community and in the ?village? was a shop called Titanic?s. It was one of those wonderful deli?s that sold wonderful meats, pickles and breads. It had huge jars of preserved fruits and pickles for decoration behind the counter. Yiddish was spoken and I remember one day going with my mother and asking her why was it called Titanic's I must have done it in school or something. The lovely old man came from the back of the counter and told me that he had survived the sinking. He lost his parents. He came to Cheetham Hill to live with a relative and money that the family had left they used to build this business up and it was called after the ship so that no one would forget. > I often think of him when I see the older version of the film. > > Sara > >>> On 27 Dec 2020, at 11:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Another significant event in their youth was the sinking of the Titanic. Did they tell you anything from what they remember about the news reports at the time? My grandma died in 1961 at the age of 76 and I wish I?d asked her what she remembered as she was a good story teller. I?ve read the book ?A Night To Remember? by Walter Lord which inspired the film of the same name starring Kenneth Moore as Second Officer Lightoller and is a very graphic account. Quentin Mann said that his grandma was on board as a child and survived but gave no details. It remains a fascinating if tragic story, >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>>> On 26 Dec 2020, at 18:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> My father was born in 1896 and was 45 years old when I was born in 1941. My mother was born in 1901 and died in 1981. Her life encompassed the first heavier thN air flight by the Wright brothers to a man on the moon and Concord. >>> Geoff F >>> >>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >>>> Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough for Brexit! >>>> >>>> A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 >>>> >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>> On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> I may have posted this thought before: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch on television, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Dec 29 12:58:19 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 18:58:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] King's College Choir Message-ID: What a silly complaint! You might as well complain about the Tiller Girls, the Television Toppers, and Pan's People being all white and female! Boy's voices are quite different to girls! My favourite recording of the Faur? Requiem is by Kings College Choir with a boy treble soloist. A newer version with Kiri Te Kanawa soloing is not in the same class! Cheers, Dave From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 13:14:02 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:14:02 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] King's College Choir In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401d6de16$c53574f0$4fa05ed0$@gmail.com> Well said that man! Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 Sent: 29 December 2020 18:58 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] King's College Choir What a silly complaint! You might as well complain about the Tiller Girls, the Television Toppers, and Pan's People being all white and female! Boy's voices are quite different to girls! My favourite recording of the Faur? Requiem is by Kings College Choir with a boy treble soloist. A newer version with Kiri Te Kanawa soloing is not in the same class! Cheers, Dave -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From peter.neill at icloud.com Tue Dec 29 13:17:12 2020 From: peter.neill at icloud.com (Peter Neill) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:17:12 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] King's College Choir In-Reply-To: <000401d6de16$c53574f0$4fa05ed0$@gmail.com> References: <000401d6de16$c53574f0$4fa05ed0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8142B9E5-15BA-425C-92BC-0469995AEE34@icloud.com> And non-white female students were well represented in the readers. Peter Neill Sent from my iPhone. Apologies for typos and autocorruptions. > On 29 Dec 2020, at 19:14, David Denness via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Well said that man! > Dave D > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tech1 On Behalf Of dave.mdv via Tech1 > Sent: 29 December 2020 18:58 > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] King's College Choir > > What a silly complaint! You might as well complain about the Tiller Girls, the Television Toppers, and Pan's People being all white and female! Boy's voices are quite different to girls! My favourite recording of the Faur? Requiem is by Kings College Choir with a boy treble soloist. A newer version with Kiri Te Kanawa soloing is not in the same class! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From saranewman at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 13:18:44 2020 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:18:44 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: <134E7C44-96E9-42EA-A3DA-FCFDFA92A6C5@me.com> References: <134E7C44-96E9-42EA-A3DA-FCFDFA92A6C5@me.com> Message-ID: Hi, Well thats amazing! I was quite young at the time I just remember the shop and an old man telling me about why it was called Titanic?s. It was a fabulous shop. Our neighboors were Levys and all my childhood friends were Jewish I have one I am still in touch with. My brother and I made a keen living lighting fires, boiling kettles and other important jobs that needed to be done on Friday evenings and Saturday mornings as it was a mainly Orthodox area. I still remember the bagels with salted butter that we often had from the local bakers as early as 6am. Never tasted any better since! Thank you, sara > On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > If you haven?t already found out more about him, this is what it says about him on the web site Encyclopaedia Titanica. It?s an amazing story. > > There is also an article about him on the BBC site, including a relatively recent picture of his shop. The article explains that he originally sailed from Germany in 1912 on a different ship bound for America. When they reached Glasgow, the captain told him that they were in America and abandoned him. Apparently this was quite a common scam at that time. > > When he realised that he wasn?t in New York, he saved up enough money to travel to Southampton and buy a ticket on the next available voyage - the Titanic. > > Alan Taylor > > Mr Joseph Abraham Hyman was born within the Russian Empire on 15 February (probably 1881). He came to England as a young man, possibly fleeing the pogroms of Eastern Europe at the time, and eventually settled within Manchester's thriving Jewish community. > > He was married in 1902 to Esther Levy (b. 1880), a native of Manchester, and by 1911 the couple had five children: Julius (b. 1903), Ann (b. 1904), Lilian (b. 1906), Morris (b. 1907) and Ena (b. 1909) and they were living at 45 Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, he was described as a storekeeper. > > Abraham boarded the Titanic in Southampton as a third class passenger (ticket number 3470 which cost ?7, 17s, 9d) on 10 April 1912 and he was travelling alone to Springfield, Massachusetts where he had a brother, Harry. He was listed as a picture frame maker. > > He later described his escape in collapsible C : > > "...The forward deck was jammed with the people, all of them pushing and clawing and fighting, and so I walked forward and stepped over the end of the boat that was being got ready and sat down,? he told The New York Times. ?Nobody disturbed me, and then a line of men gathered along the side and only opened when a woman or a child came forward. When a man tried to get through, he would be pushed back...? > > Reaching America aboard Carpathia Abraham was met by his brother and granted several interviews to local newspapers. His wife refused to cross the Atlantic to join him and Abraham also had reservations about making the crossing again. His time spent in New York, however, with its diverse ethnicities and religions and their associated stores inspired Abraham pursue an enterprise back in England. > > He eventually returned to Manchester where he opened a Kosher deli and grocery store, J. A. Hyman Ltd on Waterloo Road. Locals referred to Abraham as the "Titanic Man" and the store became known as Titanics. The store is still in operation today and still within the Hyman family. > > He and his wife had a further two children, Jonas (b. 1913) and Rachel (b. 1915) and later settled at 230 Waterloo Road, Cheetham and it was whilst living here that Abraham was widowed when his wife Esther died on 14 September 1927 aged 46. > > Abraham was remarried on 29 June 1929 in New Kahal Chassidim Synagogue to widow Esther Libbert, n?e Rosengrass (b. 1886) of 385 Waterloo Road, Cheetham. Esther was a native of Cheetham, Manchester and was married in 1909 to Abraham Libbert (1886-1921), a jeweller, and the couple had one son and one daughter, Jack and Fanny. > > Abraham and his new wife were living in Southport, Lancashire when Abraham was again widowed on 9 June 1951. He later resettled in Manchester at 25 Crumpsall Lane and he died on 6 March 1956 in The Victoria Memorial Jewish Hospital in Manchester. > > >> On 29 Dec 2020, at 16:28, sara newman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Hi, >> >> I grew up in North Manchester in a Jewish community and in the ?village? was a shop called Titanic?s. It was one of those wonderful deli?s that sold wonderful meats, pickles and breads. It had huge jars of preserved fruits and pickles for decoration behind the counter. Yiddish was spoken and I remember one day going with my mother and asking her why was it called Titanic's I must have done it in school or something. The lovely old man came from the back of the counter and told me that he had survived the sinking. He lost his parents. He came to Cheetham Hill to live with a relative and money that the family had left they used to build this business up and it was called after the ship so that no one would forget. >> I often think of him when I see the older version of the film. >> >> Sara >> >>> On 27 Dec 2020, at 11:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> Another significant event in their youth was the sinking of the Titanic. Did they tell you anything from what they remember about the news reports at the time? My grandma died in 1961 at the age of 76 and I wish I?d asked her what she remembered as she was a good story teller. I?ve read the book ?A Night To Remember? by Walter Lord which inspired the film of the same name starring Kenneth Moore as Second Officer Lightoller and is a very graphic account. Quentin Mann said that his grandma was on board as a child and survived but gave no details. It remains a fascinating if tragic story, >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>>> On 26 Dec 2020, at 18:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> My father was born in 1896 and was 45 years old when I was born in 1941. My mother was born in 1901 and died in 1981. Her life encompassed the first heavier thN air flight by the Wright brothers to a man on the moon and Concord. >>>> Geoff F >>>> >>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough for Brexit! >>>> >>>> A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 >>>> >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>> On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> I may have posted this thought before: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch on television, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Tue Dec 29 13:48:29 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 19:48:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] King's College Choir In-Reply-To: <8142B9E5-15BA-425C-92BC-0469995AEE34@icloud.com> References: <000401d6de16$c53574f0$4fa05ed0$@gmail.com> <8142B9E5-15BA-425C-92BC-0469995AEE34@icloud.com> Message-ID: <5feb880d.1c69fb81.357f2.a02f@mx.google.com> Some time ago, I worked on a Thames shoot when Wells Cathedral instituted a girls choir. The recordist, who knew his music, miked it with two 4038?s on Panamic booms, clamped to lighting stands. Bent a bit as that mic is heavy! Sadly, when I spoke to him recently, he has gone deaf. What is it with us poor sound men? Do retired cameramen go blind? Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > What a silly complaint! You might as well complain about the Tiller Girls, the Television Toppers, and Pan's People being all white and female! Boy's voices are quite different to girls! My favourite recording of the Faur? Requiem is by Kings College Choir with a boy treble soloist. A newer version with Kiri Te Kanawa soloing is not in the same class! Cheers, Dave -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Dec 29 14:05:30 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 20:05:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The description of his shop and the fact that he smoked his own salmon reminded me of a different deli near Victoria Park, east London. When I was working on The Big Breakfast it was just a short drive away and I would often buy smoked salmon bagels as a treat for the sound crew. Sadly that particular shop ceased trading during the time I was working on the show. The next best bagels we could find were from the Brick Lane Bagel Bake, which had the advantage of being open 24/7. It became a meeting place for some of the crew if we were nearing the house a little early for the 05:00 call and were feeling peckish. They were good ( and still are ) but the little deli did them better and was amazingly friendly. No fresh bagels available anywhere near here, so we bake our own and also smoke our own salmon from time to time, although currently we?ve got a huge piece of gravadlax curing, which should be ready tomorrow. When the local shops are selling whole salmon for ?10-15 it?s hard to leave them on the counter. Alan Taylor > On 29 Dec 2020, at 19:18, sara newman wrote: > > ? Hi, > > Well thats amazing! I was quite young at the time I just remember the shop and an old man telling me about why it was called Titanic?s. It was a fabulous shop. > > Our neighboors were Levys and all my childhood friends were Jewish I have one I am still in touch with. My brother and I made a keen living lighting fires, boiling kettles and other important jobs that needed to be done on Friday evenings and Saturday mornings as it was a mainly Orthodox area. > > I still remember the bagels with salted butter that we often had from the local bakers as early as 6am. Never tasted any better since! > > Thank you, > > sara From saranewman at hotmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:17:30 2020 From: saranewman at hotmail.com (sara newman) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 20:17:30 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: <134E7C44-96E9-42EA-A3DA-FCFDFA92A6C5@me.com> References: <134E7C44-96E9-42EA-A3DA-FCFDFA92A6C5@me.com> Message-ID: Hi again, Have you got a link to the BBC article. by chance pls Thank you again, sarax > On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > If you haven?t already found out more about him, this is what it says about him on the web site Encyclopaedia Titanica. It?s an amazing story. > > There is also an article about him on the BBC site, including a relatively recent picture of his shop. The article explains that he originally sailed from Germany in 1912 on a different ship bound for America. When they reached Glasgow, the captain told him that they were in America and abandoned him. Apparently this was quite a common scam at that time. > > When he realised that he wasn?t in New York, he saved up enough money to travel to Southampton and buy a ticket on the next available voyage - the Titanic. > > Alan Taylor > > Mr Joseph Abraham Hyman was born within the Russian Empire on 15 February (probably 1881). He came to England as a young man, possibly fleeing the pogroms of Eastern Europe at the time, and eventually settled within Manchester's thriving Jewish community. > > He was married in 1902 to Esther Levy (b. 1880), a native of Manchester, and by 1911 the couple had five children: Julius (b. 1903), Ann (b. 1904), Lilian (b. 1906), Morris (b. 1907) and Ena (b. 1909) and they were living at 45 Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, he was described as a storekeeper. > > Abraham boarded the Titanic in Southampton as a third class passenger (ticket number 3470 which cost ?7, 17s, 9d) on 10 April 1912 and he was travelling alone to Springfield, Massachusetts where he had a brother, Harry. He was listed as a picture frame maker. > > He later described his escape in collapsible C : > > "...The forward deck was jammed with the people, all of them pushing and clawing and fighting, and so I walked forward and stepped over the end of the boat that was being got ready and sat down,? he told The New York Times. ?Nobody disturbed me, and then a line of men gathered along the side and only opened when a woman or a child came forward. When a man tried to get through, he would be pushed back...? > > Reaching America aboard Carpathia Abraham was met by his brother and granted several interviews to local newspapers. His wife refused to cross the Atlantic to join him and Abraham also had reservations about making the crossing again. His time spent in New York, however, with its diverse ethnicities and religions and their associated stores inspired Abraham pursue an enterprise back in England. > > He eventually returned to Manchester where he opened a Kosher deli and grocery store, J. A. Hyman Ltd on Waterloo Road. Locals referred to Abraham as the "Titanic Man" and the store became known as Titanics. The store is still in operation today and still within the Hyman family. > > He and his wife had a further two children, Jonas (b. 1913) and Rachel (b. 1915) and later settled at 230 Waterloo Road, Cheetham and it was whilst living here that Abraham was widowed when his wife Esther died on 14 September 1927 aged 46. > > Abraham was remarried on 29 June 1929 in New Kahal Chassidim Synagogue to widow Esther Libbert, n?e Rosengrass (b. 1886) of 385 Waterloo Road, Cheetham. Esther was a native of Cheetham, Manchester and was married in 1909 to Abraham Libbert (1886-1921), a jeweller, and the couple had one son and one daughter, Jack and Fanny. > > Abraham and his new wife were living in Southport, Lancashire when Abraham was again widowed on 9 June 1951. He later resettled in Manchester at 25 Crumpsall Lane and he died on 6 March 1956 in The Victoria Memorial Jewish Hospital in Manchester. > > >> On 29 Dec 2020, at 16:28, sara newman via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ? Hi, >> >> I grew up in North Manchester in a Jewish community and in the ?village? was a shop called Titanic?s. It was one of those wonderful deli?s that sold wonderful meats, pickles and breads. It had huge jars of preserved fruits and pickles for decoration behind the counter. Yiddish was spoken and I remember one day going with my mother and asking her why was it called Titanic's I must have done it in school or something. The lovely old man came from the back of the counter and told me that he had survived the sinking. He lost his parents. He came to Cheetham Hill to live with a relative and money that the family had left they used to build this business up and it was called after the ship so that no one would forget. >> I often think of him when I see the older version of the film. >> >> Sara >> >>> On 27 Dec 2020, at 11:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > wrote: >>> >>> Another significant event in their youth was the sinking of the Titanic. Did they tell you anything from what they remember about the news reports at the time? My grandma died in 1961 at the age of 76 and I wish I?d asked her what she remembered as she was a good story teller. I?ve read the book ?A Night To Remember? by Walter Lord which inspired the film of the same name starring Kenneth Moore as Second Officer Lightoller and is a very graphic account. Quentin Mann said that his grandma was on board as a child and survived but gave no details. It remains a fascinating if tragic story, >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>>> On 26 Dec 2020, at 18:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> >>>> ? >>>> My father was born in 1896 and was 45 years old when I was born in 1941. My mother was born in 1901 and died in 1981. Her life encompassed the first heavier thN air flight by the Wright brothers to a man on the moon and Concord. >>>> Geoff F >>>> >>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 > wrote: >>>> Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough for Brexit! >>>> >>>> A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 >>>> >>>> Hugh >>>> >>>> On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> I may have posted this thought before: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch on television, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Tue Dec 29 14:22:51 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 20:22:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <912EAFE2-76BD-49DB-B013-2613F7A4080D@me.com> This is the BBC link https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-17702672 There are quite a few other sites mentioning him too, but I didn?t look at them. If you search for his name and/or Titanics, you should get a good few sites to look at. Alan Taylor > On 29 Dec 2020, at 20:17, sara newman wrote: > > ? Hi again, > > Have you got a link to the BBC article. by chance pls > > Thank you again, > > sarax > > >>> On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> If you haven?t already found out more about him, this is what it says about him on the web site Encyclopaedia Titanica. It?s an amazing story. >>> >>> There is also an article about him on the BBC site, including a relatively recent picture of his shop. The article explains that he originally sailed from Germany in 1912 on a different ship bound for America. When they reached Glasgow, the captain told him that they were in America and abandoned him. Apparently this was quite a common scam at that time. >>> >>> When he realised that he wasn?t in New York, he saved up enough money to travel to Southampton and buy a ticket on the next available voyage - the Titanic. >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> >>> Mr Joseph Abraham Hyman was born within the Russian Empire on 15 February (probably 1881). He came to England as a young man, possibly fleeing the pogroms of Eastern Europe at the time, and eventually settled within Manchester's thriving Jewish community. >>> >>> He was married in 1902 to Esther Levy (b. 1880), a native of Manchester, and by 1911 the couple had five children: Julius (b. 1903), Ann (b. 1904), Lilian (b. 1906), Morris (b. 1907) and Ena (b. 1909) and they were living at 45 Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, he was described as a storekeeper. >>> >>> Abraham boarded the Titanic in Southampton as a third class passenger (ticket number 3470 which cost ?7, 17s, 9d) on 10 April 1912 and he was travelling alone to Springfield, Massachusetts where he had a brother, Harry. He was listed as a picture frame maker. >>> >>> He later described his escape in collapsible C: >>> >>> "...The forward deck was jammed with the people, all of them pushing and clawing and fighting, and so I walked forward and stepped over the end of the boat that was being got ready and sat down,? he told The New York Times. ?Nobody disturbed me, and then a line of men gathered along the side and only opened when a woman or a child came forward. When a man tried to get through, he would be pushed back...? >>> >>> Reaching America aboard Carpathia Abraham was met by his brother and granted several interviews to local newspapers. His wife refused to cross the Atlantic to join him and Abraham also had reservations about making the crossing again. His time spent in New York, however, with its diverse ethnicities and religions and their associated stores inspired Abraham pursue an enterprise back in England. >>> >>> He eventually returned to Manchester where he opened a Kosher deli and grocery store, J. A. Hyman Ltd on Waterloo Road. Locals referred to Abraham as the "Titanic Man" and the store became known as Titanics. The store is still in operation today and still within the Hyman family. >>> >>> He and his wife had a further two children, Jonas (b. 1913) and Rachel (b. 1915) and later settled at 230 Waterloo Road, Cheetham and it was whilst living here that Abraham was widowed when his wife Esther died on 14 September 1927 aged 46. >>> >>> Abraham was remarried on 29 June 1929 in New Kahal Chassidim Synagogue to widow Esther Libbert, n?e Rosengrass (b. 1886) of 385 Waterloo Road, Cheetham. Esther was a native of Cheetham, Manchester and was married in 1909 to Abraham Libbert (1886-1921), a jeweller, and the couple had one son and one daughter, Jack and Fanny. >>> >>> Abraham and his new wife were living in Southport, Lancashire when Abraham was again widowed on 9 June 1951. He later resettled in Manchester at 25 Crumpsall Lane and he died on 6 March 1956 in The Victoria Memorial Jewish Hospital in Manchester. >>> >>> >>>> On 29 Dec 2020, at 16:28, sara newman via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>> ? Hi, >>> >>> I grew up in North Manchester in a Jewish community and in the ?village? was a shop called Titanic?s. It was one of those wonderful deli?s that sold wonderful meats, pickles and breads. It had huge jars of preserved fruits and pickles for decoration behind the counter. Yiddish was spoken and I remember one day going with my mother and asking her why was it called Titanic's I must have done it in school or something. The lovely old man came from the back of the counter and told me that he had survived the sinking. He lost his parents. He came to Cheetham Hill to live with a relative and money that the family had left they used to build this business up and it was called after the ship so that no one would forget. >>> I often think of him when I see the older version of the film. >>> >>> Sara >>> >>>> On 27 Dec 2020, at 11:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> Another significant event in their youth was the sinking of the Titanic. Did they tell you anything from what they remember about the news reports at the time? My grandma died in 1961 at the age of 76 and I wish I?d asked her what she remembered as she was a good story teller. I?ve read the book ?A Night To Remember? by Walter Lord which inspired the film of the same name starring Kenneth Moore as Second Officer Lightoller and is a very graphic account. Quentin Mann said that his grandma was on board as a child and survived but gave no details. It remains a fascinating if tragic story, >>>> Geoff Hawkes >>>> >>>>>> On 26 Dec 2020, at 18:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> ? >>>>> My father was born in 1896 and was 45 years old when I was born in 1941. My mother was born in 1901 and died in 1981. Her life encompassed the first heavier thN air flight by the Wright brothers to a man on the moon and Concord. >>>>> Geoff F >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough for Brexit! >>>>>> >>>>>> A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 >>>>>> >>>>>> Hugh >>>>>> >>>>>> On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> I may have posted this thought before: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch on television, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Pat >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>> > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 14:42:26 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 20:42:26 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In answer to my original question about the technical coverage of Carols From Kings on BBC2, I received a message from a man on the spot who gave a detailed and informative description. He added that two of the choir?s male singers had tested positive for COVID and they all had to isolate so the Kings Singers were brought in at the last minute. I loved the music and the singing especially as I couldn?t get to the Town Carol Service at the church in Chesham where they always put on a good ?show? with Ray Monk as the MD. I like seeing the faces of the choir and reading their expressions and watching the skilful hands of the musicians as they play, so the visual side of the tv presentation is important for me. I?m not keen on too many tilts up to the ceiling, or focussing on a foreground object in a deep wide shot, which has become fashionable on every kind of show from dramas to Countryfile and Gardeners World. Worship is uniquely something we humans do and we can express it with our whole being, music and song as one way to do it. That can be to God in whatever form we believe that God to be (for me it?s the God of the Bible), or in expression of our love for a person, perhaps better described as adoration, as in songs down the ages. I love the sound of children singing and boy sopranos have their own special quality. The one thing that puts me off is when they pronounce ?Christ? as ?Chlist? which isn?t natural. I?d like to think that the choristers come from a variety of backgrounds, rich and poor alike and aren?t all privileged public schoolboys with pushy parents but perhaps that?s being too judgemental, Geoff > On 29 Dec 2020, at 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: > I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than that. > I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about that. > I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. > And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. > > There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. >> But the bit I saw was all white blokes! >> Time for a change I think >> John V >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk Geoff > On 29 Dec 2020, at 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: > I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than that. > I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about that. > I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. > And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. > > There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. >> >> But the bit I saw was all white blokes! >> >> Time for a change I think >> >> John V >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 16:59:05 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 22:59:05 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male Message-ID: <0173BA4C-83E7-4F12-8E6E-263F42BF3AC6@gmail.com> ?In answer to my original question about the technical coverage of Carols From Kings on BBC2, I received a message from a man on the spot who gave a detailed and informative description. He added that two of the choir?s male singers had tested positive for COVID and they all had to isolate so the Kings Singers were brought in at the last minute. I loved the music and the singing especially as I couldn?t get to the Town Carol Service at the church in Chesham where they always put on a good ?show? with Ray Monk as the MD. I like seeing the faces of the choir and reading their expressions and watching the skilful hands of the musicians as they play, so the visual side of the tv presentation is important for me. Shots of the architecture of a church is also uplifting as I reflect on the skill and dedication of those who designed and built it to the glory of God, though I?m not keen on too many tilts up to the ceiling, or focussing on a foreground object in a deep wide shot, which has become fashionable on every kind of show from dramas to Countryfile and Gardeners World. Worship is uniquely something we humans do and we can express it with our whole being, music and song as one way to do it. That can be to God in whatever form we believe that God to be (for me it?s the God of the Bible), or in expression of our love for a person, perhaps better described as adoration, as in love songs down the ages. I love the sound of children singing and boy sopranos have a special quality of their own. The one thing that puts me off is when the singers pronounce ?Christ? as ?Chlist? which isn?t natural. I?d like to think that the choristers come from a variety of backgrounds, rich and poor alike and aren?t all privileged public schoolboys (or girls) with pushy parents, but perhaps that?s being too judgemental, Geoff Hawkes > On 29 Dec 2020, at 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: > I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than that. > I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about that. > I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. > And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. > > There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. >> But the bit I saw was all white blokes! >> Time for a change I think >> John V >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Tue Dec 29 17:02:15 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:02:15 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology (was Extra curricular) In-Reply-To: <134E7C44-96E9-42EA-A3DA-FCFDFA92A6C5@me.com> References: <134E7C44-96E9-42EA-A3DA-FCFDFA92A6C5@me.com> Message-ID: <314C157D-6C4A-4F87-8D10-4DC59BD9D908@gmail.com> Nice addition to Sara?s story, thanks Alan, Geoff > On 29 Dec 2020, at 17:01, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > If you haven?t already found out more about him, this is what it says about him on the web site Encyclopaedia Titanica. It?s an amazing story. > > There is also an article about him on the BBC site, including a relatively recent picture of his shop. The article explains that he originally sailed from Germany in 1912 on a different ship bound for America. When they reached Glasgow, the captain told him that they were in America and abandoned him. Apparently this was quite a common scam at that time. > > When he realised that he wasn?t in New York, he saved up enough money to travel to Southampton and buy a ticket on the next available voyage - the Titanic. > > Alan Taylor > > Mr Joseph Abraham Hyman was born within the Russian Empire on 15 February (probably 1881). He came to England as a young man, possibly fleeing the pogroms of Eastern Europe at the time, and eventually settled within Manchester's thriving Jewish community. > > He was married in 1902 to Esther Levy (b. 1880), a native of Manchester, and by 1911 the couple had five children: Julius (b. 1903), Ann (b. 1904), Lilian (b. 1906), Morris (b. 1907) and Ena (b. 1909) and they were living at 45 Stocks Street, Cheetham, Manchester, he was described as a storekeeper. > > Abraham boarded the Titanic in Southampton as a third class passenger (ticket number 3470 which cost ?7, 17s, 9d) on 10 April 1912 and he was travelling alone to Springfield, Massachusetts where he had a brother, Harry. He was listed as a picture frame maker. > > He later described his escape in collapsible C: > > "...The forward deck was jammed with the people, all of them pushing and clawing and fighting, and so I walked forward and stepped over the end of the boat that was being got ready and sat down,? he told The New York Times. ?Nobody disturbed me, and then a line of men gathered along the side and only opened when a woman or a child came forward. When a man tried to get through, he would be pushed back...? > > Reaching America aboard Carpathia Abraham was met by his brother and granted several interviews to local newspapers. His wife refused to cross the Atlantic to join him and Abraham also had reservations about making the crossing again. His time spent in New York, however, with its diverse ethnicities and religions and their associated stores inspired Abraham pursue an enterprise back in England. > > He eventually returned to Manchester where he opened a Kosher deli and grocery store, J. A. Hyman Ltd on Waterloo Road. Locals referred to Abraham as the "Titanic Man" and the store became known as Titanics. The store is still in operation today and still within the Hyman family. > > He and his wife had a further two children, Jonas (b. 1913) and Rachel (b. 1915) and later settled at 230 Waterloo Road, Cheetham and it was whilst living here that Abraham was widowed when his wife Esther died on 14 September 1927 aged 46. > > Abraham was remarried on 29 June 1929 in New Kahal Chassidim Synagogue to widow Esther Libbert, n?e Rosengrass (b. 1886) of 385 Waterloo Road, Cheetham. Esther was a native of Cheetham, Manchester and was married in 1909 to Abraham Libbert (1886-1921), a jeweller, and the couple had one son and one daughter, Jack and Fanny. > > Abraham and his new wife were living in Southport, Lancashire when Abraham was again widowed on 9 June 1951. He later resettled in Manchester at 25 Crumpsall Lane and he died on 6 March 1956 in The Victoria Memorial Jewish Hospital in Manchester. > > >>> On 29 Dec 2020, at 16:28, sara newman via Tech1 wrote: >>> >> ? Hi, >> >> I grew up in North Manchester in a Jewish community and in the ?village? was a shop called Titanic?s. It was one of those wonderful deli?s that sold wonderful meats, pickles and breads. It had huge jars of preserved fruits and pickles for decoration behind the counter. Yiddish was spoken and I remember one day going with my mother and asking her why was it called Titanic's I must have done it in school or something. The lovely old man came from the back of the counter and told me that he had survived the sinking. He lost his parents. He came to Cheetham Hill to live with a relative and money that the family had left they used to build this business up and it was called after the ship so that no one would forget. >> I often think of him when I see the older version of the film. >> >> Sara >> >>> On 27 Dec 2020, at 11:59, Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> Another significant event in their youth was the sinking of the Titanic. Did they tell you anything from what they remember about the news reports at the time? My grandma died in 1961 at the age of 76 and I wish I?d asked her what she remembered as she was a good story teller. I?ve read the book ?A Night To Remember? by Walter Lord which inspired the film of the same name starring Kenneth Moore as Second Officer Lightoller and is a very graphic account. Quentin Mann said that his grandma was on board as a child and survived but gave no details. It remains a fascinating if tragic story, >>> Geoff Hawkes >>> >>>>> On 26 Dec 2020, at 18:43, Geoff Fletcher via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> >>>> ? >>>> My father was born in 1896 and was 45 years old when I was born in 1941. My mother was born in 1901 and died in 1981. Her life encompassed the first heavier thN air flight by the Wright brothers to a man on the moon and Concord. >>>> Geoff F >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 26 Dec 2020 at 18:07, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: >>>>> Hang on Pat; in Winchester rental accommodation in the war years, I was allowed to stand on a chair to replace the wall-light gas mantles, and to take the radio's accumulator to the oil shop for re-charging. A Mrs; Ellis was the land-lady, who always wore a hat indoors. I too watched man walk on the moon on TV, but from the studio gallery, and have lived long enough for Brexit! >>>>> >>>>> A few years ago, a local friend only a couple of years older than me passed on, having told me that her father was born in 1872 >>>>> >>>>> Hugh >>>>> >>>>> On 26-Dec-20 5:00 PM, patheigham via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> I may have posted this thought before: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My mother and I lived with a ?granny? figure (think she was a great aunt) during the first part of WW2. As a girl she had been brought up in a house with no electricity, yet lived long enough to watch on television, man walking on the moon! All in a short space of time. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Pat >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> > On 26 Dec 2020, at 15:21, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> > I was working on a documentary marking the 30th anniversary of the moon landings. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> www.avast.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Waresound at msn.com Tue Dec 29 17:20:27 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:20:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Yes, I?ve since heard that the Kings Singers were brought in at the last minute as you say. It?s mentioned in the College Facebook group. Cheers, N. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 29 Dec 2020, at 20:42, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote: ? In answer to my original question about the technical coverage of Carols From Kings on BBC2, I received a message from a man on the spot who gave a detailed and informative description. He added that two of the choir?s male singers had tested positive for COVID and they all had to isolate so the Kings Singers were brought in at the last minute. I loved the music and the singing especially as I couldn?t get to the Town Carol Service at the church in Chesham where they always put on a good ?show? with Ray Monk as the MD. I like seeing the faces of the choir and reading their expressions and watching the skilful hands of the musicians as they play, so the visual side of the tv presentation is important for me. I?m not keen on too many tilts up to the ceiling, or focussing on a foreground object in a deep wide shot, which has become fashionable on every kind of show from dramas to Countryfile and Gardeners World. Worship is uniquely something we humans do and we can express it with our whole being, music and song as one way to do it. That can be to God in whatever form we believe that God to be (for me it?s the God of the Bible), or in expression of our love for a person, perhaps better described as adoration, as in songs down the ages. I love the sound of children singing and boy sopranos have their own special quality. The one thing that puts me off is when they pronounce ?Christ? as ?Chlist? which isn?t natural. I?d like to think that the choristers come from a variety of backgrounds, rich and poor alike and aren?t all privileged public schoolboys with pushy parents but perhaps that?s being too judgemental, Geoff On 29 Dec 2020, at 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: ?Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than that. I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about that. I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. Cheers and Happy New Year, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 > wrote: ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. But the bit I saw was all white blokes! Time for a change I think John V -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk Geoff On 29 Dec 2020, at 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: ?Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than that. I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about that. I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. Cheers and Happy New Year, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. But the bit I saw was all white blokes! Time for a change I think John V -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Tue Dec 29 17:49:46 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 23:49:46 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] A Facebook Scam In-Reply-To: <7875210e-7365-a6e2-760a-3e10aacd7c7e@btinternet.com> References: <7875210e-7365-a6e2-760a-3e10aacd7c7e@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <9c4cf4d4-2c60-c953-8322-d213a7d2fb7c@btinternet.com> I had an unexpected one on my mobile this morning! The sender was '60249' and mentioned that if I had any difficulties they were there to help! I 'Googled' the number and lots of people had had similar messages about different things such as floods and so on. Although it didn't say 'click here' I was very wary and? just clicked on where it said 'more' thinking it would be fairly safe! The last few lines of the complete message said it was from my Barclays team! So, why the f**k don't they put their logo on the first page and send a normal e-mail instead? Cheers, Dave On 29/12/2020 10:43, Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Here's a new one to me; it begins: > > 'Hi, > > Recently we received reports that your page published posts > that doesn't comply with our policy.' > > Then a reply address etc. > > Here's the header: > > Subject: Your action is required. > Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2020 22:16:53 +0000 > From: Facebook > > > > > OK.? So I send it to:? Phishing Report . > [Viewing the email source offered nothing I could readily interpret]. > > As a v. rare Facebook user, I'd guess this would be a random scam,? > [Now deleted].? And phishing.gov has aclnowledged - adding it to the > 4,264.242 scam posts they've received. > > Has anyone else had it? > > Hugh > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alanaudio at me.com Wed Dec 30 02:01:41 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 08:01:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all Message-ID: <00CAA596-3A36-45B9-BA8E-7EAB3B89A1B8@me.com> My wife is not daunted by technology and likes to try things for herself if possible. We recently decided to create an audio Christmas greeting for a blind friend of ours and as is so often the case, our ambitions escalated. We ended up using my digital recorder and a few microphones to record our voices and some music. Tracks were laid and edited. The only task left was to mix it down. I connected my digital sound desk and of course Janet wanted to learn how to operate it. She has used simpler analogue desks before, but I imagined that she might not intuitively understand the concept of an assignable desk. The essence of it is that instead of having rows of identical EQ controls and Aux outputs for each channel, you have one central panel with controls and displays, with each channel only having a fader and a few buttons. You press a button on a channel to designate it the channel you?re tweaking. So off I go, trying to explain this advanced way of working and she points out that she?s well used to that concept. On the hob in the kitchen, she has to press a button to select which ring she wants to adjust and then uses the single pair of hotter/cooler buttons to adjust it. Who realised that many of us have assignable consoles in our kitchens? Alan Taylor From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Wed Dec 30 03:32:22 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 09:32:22 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male In-Reply-To: <0173BA4C-83E7-4F12-8E6E-263F42BF3AC6@gmail.com> References: <0173BA4C-83E7-4F12-8E6E-263F42BF3AC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08731515C491436BAED622097A5D6D90@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> This interesting thread reminds me of my own younger days as a choirboy in a small Somerset village to which we moved in 1950. Not being churchgoers themselves my parents nevertheless ensured that my sister and I regularly attended Church services and Sunday school. It was a simple reality that, particularly in small communities, the church was the focus of neighbourhood relationships. Our village like many had too small a population for auditioning and selecting choir members - all children who were willing were in the choir. The process was incentivised by an annual summer outing to the seaside, a Christmas party plus a winter visit to Bristol for a pantomime at either the Bristol Old Vic or Hippodrome. I invariably fell in love with the principal boy and once got left behind on Temple Meads Station when the Taunton train headed off, doubtless because I was still in a dream! The organist had registered my absence and jumped off the train as it moved away from the station, finding me safe and sound. I remember it was a long wait for the next train but the organist never once remonstrated with me. Back with the choir. The girl sopranos sat in two rows on the left of the chancel with the organ console behind them and the two lady altos (one of whom easily drowned the entire choir) squeezed between them and the altar rail. Boy trebles to the right in the front row with a handful of tenors and basses behind them. They relieved the boredom by finger flicking the backs of our ears. Amongst this otherwise undistinguished assembly was one boy with a voice like an angel. I can hear him now singing Mendelssohn's "Oh for the Wings of a Dove" and I firmly believe Ernest Lough would have wept if he could have heard him! The comments re girl/boy voices are I'm sure entirely fair. Sure, just as with conducting, it has been a slow path to recognition for the lasses (eg the long wait for some of the Cathedral Choirs to accept them) but I can not imagine a girl's voice suiting the Mendelssohn. It is in the end horses for courses. And don't forget the Luton Girls Choir! Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:59 PM To: Nick Ware Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male In answer to my original question about the technical coverage of Carols >From Kings on BBC2, I received a message from a man on the spot who gave a detailed and informative description. He added that two of the choir?s male singers had tested positive for COVID and they all had to isolate so the Kings Singers were brought in at the last minute. I loved the music and the singing especially as I couldn?t get to the Town Carol Service at the church in Chesham where they always put on a good ?show? with Ray Monk as the MD. I like seeing the faces of the choir and reading their expressions and watching the skilful hands of the musicians as they play, so the visual side of the tv presentation is important for me. Shots of the architecture of a church is also uplifting as I reflect on the skill and dedication of those who designed and built it to the glory of God, though I?m not keen on too many tilts up to the ceiling, or focussing on a foreground object in a deep wide shot, which has become fashionable on every kind of show from dramas to Countryfile and Gardeners World. Worship is uniquely something we humans do and we can express it with our whole being, music and song as one way to do it. That can be to God in whatever form we believe that God to be (for me it?s the God of the Bible), or in expression of our love for a person, perhaps better described as adoration, as in love songs down the ages. I love the sound of children singing and boy sopranos have a special quality of their own. The one thing that puts me off is when the singers pronounce ?Christ? as ?Chlist? which isn?t natural. I?d like to think that the choristers come from a variety of backgrounds, rich and poor alike and aren?t all privileged public schoolboys (or girls) with pushy parents, but perhaps that?s being too judgemental, Geoff Hawkes > On 29 Dec 2020, at 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 > wrote: > > ?Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: > I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say > that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being > ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to > join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy > probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than > that. > I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were > totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? > Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about > that. > I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better > technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much > more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random > pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it > is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the > lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. > And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, > who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel > Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long > way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. > And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces > and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. > > There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the > World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is > all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are > worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of > the list. > Cheers and Happy New Year, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. >> But the bit I saw was all white blokes! >> Time for a change I think >> John V >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Wed Dec 30 04:30:13 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 10:30:13 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <00CAA596-3A36-45B9-BA8E-7EAB3B89A1B8@me.com> References: <00CAA596-3A36-45B9-BA8E-7EAB3B89A1B8@me.com> Message-ID: So now, because I?m a nosey bugger, I need to know what mixer and digital recorder you?ve got, and what software you?re using! My home (office/mancave) system centres around a Presonus 16.0.2usb mixer. If only I had had that way back in the day, when I was lugging a Neve Melbourne around. (then the slightly lighter Neve 5422 Suitcase after that)! Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Dec 2020, at 08:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?My wife is not daunted by technology and likes to try things for herself if possible. We recently decided to create an audio Christmas greeting for a blind friend of ours and as is so often the case, our ambitions escalated. We ended up using my digital recorder and a few microphones to record our voices and some music. Tracks were laid and edited. The only task left was to mix it down. > > I connected my digital sound desk and of course Janet wanted to learn how to operate it. She has used simpler analogue desks before, but I imagined that she might not intuitively understand the concept of an assignable desk. The essence of it is that instead of having rows of identical EQ controls and Aux outputs for each channel, you have one central panel with controls and displays, with each channel only having a fader and a few buttons. You press a button on a channel to designate it the channel you?re tweaking. > > So off I go, trying to explain this advanced way of working and she points out that she?s well used to that concept. On the hob in the kitchen, she has to press a button to select which ring she wants to adjust and then uses the single pair of hotter/cooler buttons to adjust it. > > Who realised that many of us have assignable consoles in our kitchens? > > Alan Taylor > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Dec 30 05:15:41 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 11:15:41 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <76744E29-450B-4C46-9D65-DCD4F9432949@me.com> The mixer is a Behringer MX16, which was absurdly cheap ?600 brand new. I bought it for a series of shows from Switzerland because it contained all the tech facilities I needed in one unit without needing any outboard equipment. When flying alone, I learned the hard way that I needed to transport all the gear in one flight case ( including a folding trolley). The mixer isn?t particularly good, but it does have motorised faders and Timecode. The client was most impressed when I turned up with that cheap, but impressive ( to those who don?t know better ) mixer instead of using several grand?s worth of professional equipment which I had brought with me on previous trips. The recorder is a Zoom F8, which was also bought for a similar price for one job and has been a useful piece of kit to have available ever since. It can also be used as an eight channel digital interface for a computer. Software was GarageBand on a Mac. The digital recordings were imported, edited and nudged backwards and forwards in time as needed, then the tracks went out via the Zoom to the mixer to be mixed. I?ve got other software available, but Janet uses GarageBand fairly often and it was more than capable of handling this simple task. There wasn?t really much point in using the digital mixer, I only used it because I already had it and it?s easier to operate faders rather than dynamically tweak replay levels on each track. It?s also quicker to tweak EQ and dynamics on the mixer, although GarageBand does include amazingly sophisticated types of EQ and dynamics with sophisticated controls, once you delve a little deeper beneath the surface. The job could have been done any number of ways, some needing virtually no hardware beyond an iPad or computer. This solution was overkill, but catered for all the things we needed to do and made use of what was already to hand. Recording individual mics on multiple tracks allowed the original recordings to be spontaneous and subsequently turned into something a little more polished. Alan Taylor > On 30 Dec 2020, at 10:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?So now, because I?m a nosey bugger, I need to know what mixer and digital recorder you?ve got, and what software you?re using! My home (office/mancave) system centres around a Presonus 16.0.2usb mixer. If only I had had that way back in the day, when I was lugging a Neve Melbourne around. (then the slightly lighter Neve 5422 Suitcase after that)! > Cheers, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 30 Dec 2020, at 08:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?My wife is not daunted by technology and likes to try things for herself if possible. We recently decided to create an audio Christmas greeting for a blind friend of ours and as is so often the case, our ambitions escalated. We ended up using my digital recorder and a few microphones to record our voices and some music. Tracks were laid and edited. The only task left was to mix it down. >> >> I connected my digital sound desk and of course Janet wanted to learn how to operate it. She has used simpler analogue desks before, but I imagined that she might not intuitively understand the concept of an assignable desk. The essence of it is that instead of having rows of identical EQ controls and Aux outputs for each channel, you have one central panel with controls and displays, with each channel only having a fader and a few buttons. You press a button on a channel to designate it the channel you?re tweaking. >> >> So off I go, trying to explain this advanced way of working and she points out that she?s well used to that concept. On the hob in the kitchen, she has to press a button to select which ring she wants to adjust and then uses the single pair of hotter/cooler buttons to adjust it. >> >> Who realised that many of us have assignable consoles in our kitchens? >> >> Alan Taylor >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Wed Dec 30 06:17:38 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 12:17:38 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <76744E29-450B-4C46-9D65-DCD4F9432949@me.com> References: , <76744E29-450B-4C46-9D65-DCD4F9432949@me.com> Message-ID: Those Behringers are incredibly good value for money. The Zoom F8 is easily the best piece of kit I?ve ever bought. Because I still manage to attract a bit of work, I did upgrade to the F8n and also the FRC8 tactile remote panel. Love it to bits! More to follow......, but we?re off for a 2 3/4 mile dog walk now, along the Wey and Arun Canel, while the sun is shining. Cheers for now, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Dec 2020, at 11:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: > > ?The mixer is a Behringer MX16, which was absurdly cheap ?600 brand new. I bought it for a series of shows from Switzerland because it contained all the tech facilities I needed in one unit without needing any outboard equipment. When flying alone, I learned the hard way that I needed to transport all the gear in one flight case ( including a folding trolley). The mixer isn?t particularly good, but it does have motorised faders and Timecode. The client was most impressed when I turned up with that cheap, but impressive ( to those who don?t know better ) mixer instead of using several grand?s worth of professional equipment which I had brought with me on previous trips. > > The recorder is a Zoom F8, which was also bought for a similar price for one job and has been a useful piece of kit to have available ever since. It can also be used as an eight channel digital interface for a computer. > > Software was GarageBand on a Mac. The digital recordings were imported, edited and nudged backwards and forwards in time as needed, then the tracks went out via the Zoom to the mixer to be mixed. > > I?ve got other software available, but Janet uses GarageBand fairly often and it was more than capable of handling this simple task. There wasn?t really much point in using the digital mixer, I only used it because I already had it and it?s easier to operate faders rather than dynamically tweak replay levels on each track. It?s also quicker to tweak EQ and dynamics on the mixer, although GarageBand does include amazingly sophisticated types of EQ and dynamics with sophisticated controls, once you delve a little deeper beneath the surface. > > The job could have been done any number of ways, some needing virtually no hardware beyond an iPad or computer. This solution was overkill, but catered for all the things we needed to do and made use of what was already to hand. Recording individual mics on multiple tracks allowed the original recordings to be spontaneous and subsequently turned into something a little more polished. > > Alan Taylor > > > >> On 30 Dec 2020, at 10:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?So now, because I?m a nosey bugger, I need to know what mixer and digital recorder you?ve got, and what software you?re using! My home (office/mancave) system centres around a Presonus 16.0.2usb mixer. If only I had had that way back in the day, when I was lugging a Neve Melbourne around. (then the slightly lighter Neve 5422 Suitcase after that)! >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >>>> On 30 Dec 2020, at 08:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?My wife is not daunted by technology and likes to try things for herself if possible. We recently decided to create an audio Christmas greeting for a blind friend of ours and as is so often the case, our ambitions escalated. We ended up using my digital recorder and a few microphones to record our voices and some music. Tracks were laid and edited. The only task left was to mix it down. >>> >>> I connected my digital sound desk and of course Janet wanted to learn how to operate it. She has used simpler analogue desks before, but I imagined that she might not intuitively understand the concept of an assignable desk. The essence of it is that instead of having rows of identical EQ controls and Aux outputs for each channel, you have one central panel with controls and displays, with each channel only having a fader and a few buttons. You press a button on a channel to designate it the channel you?re tweaking. >>> >>> So off I go, trying to explain this advanced way of working and she points out that she?s well used to that concept. On the hob in the kitchen, she has to press a button to select which ring she wants to adjust and then uses the single pair of hotter/cooler buttons to adjust it. >>> >>> Who realised that many of us have assignable consoles in our kitchens? >>> >>> Alan Taylor >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alanaudio at me.com Wed Dec 30 06:47:27 2020 From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 12:47:27 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> Zoom also offer a free iPad app to control the F8. It makes for very convenient operation, especially when doing interviews with multiple microphones. The F8 is very compact, but that means the knobs are fiddly and the display is tiny. The reason I got the Behringer was that I used to do five shows per a year for Nestl? in Switzerland. It was a webcast phone in, but the phone calls were handled in the UK. There was a digital delay before the sound reached us and our contributors heard themselves coming back about 250ms later, which put them off. The previous sound guy for that gig used to hire some outboard gear to automatically cancel the echo, but it was expensive to hire, cumbersome to use and a right pain to transport with the rest of my gear. I didn?t feel that it solved the problem particularly well anyway. I set up the Behringer with a ducking system in the feed to the fold back speaker and patched the output of our contributors through a 250ms delay to control the ducking. Whenever any of our people spoke, the fold back speaker would dip 250ms later, just enough to make the delayed crosstalk unnoticeable. The cost of the Behringer was recovered after just two of those shows by not having to hire the outboard gear or collect and return it. Having a folding trolley fitting inside the lid of a big flight case carrying everything meant that I could park my car at the long term car park and still wheel the gear single handedly to the shuttle bus, or along the corridors at Nestl? HQ. Alan Taylor > On 30 Dec 2020, at 12:18, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ?Those Behringers are incredibly good value for money. The Zoom F8 is easily the best piece of kit I?ve ever bought. Because I still manage to attract a bit of work, I did upgrade to the F8n and also the FRC8 tactile remote panel. Love it to bits! > More to follow......, but we?re off for a 2 3/4 mile dog walk now, along the Wey and Arun Canel, while the sun is shining. > Cheers for now, > Nick. > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >> On 30 Dec 2020, at 11:16, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >> >> ?The mixer is a Behringer MX16, which was absurdly cheap ?600 brand new. I bought it for a series of shows from Switzerland because it contained all the tech facilities I needed in one unit without needing any outboard equipment. When flying alone, I learned the hard way that I needed to transport all the gear in one flight case ( including a folding trolley). The mixer isn?t particularly good, but it does have motorised faders and Timecode. The client was most impressed when I turned up with that cheap, but impressive ( to those who don?t know better ) mixer instead of using several grand?s worth of professional equipment which I had brought with me on previous trips. >> >> The recorder is a Zoom F8, which was also bought for a similar price for one job and has been a useful piece of kit to have available ever since. It can also be used as an eight channel digital interface for a computer. >> >> Software was GarageBand on a Mac. The digital recordings were imported, edited and nudged backwards and forwards in time as needed, then the tracks went out via the Zoom to the mixer to be mixed. >> >> I?ve got other software available, but Janet uses GarageBand fairly often and it was more than capable of handling this simple task. There wasn?t really much point in using the digital mixer, I only used it because I already had it and it?s easier to operate faders rather than dynamically tweak replay levels on each track. It?s also quicker to tweak EQ and dynamics on the mixer, although GarageBand does include amazingly sophisticated types of EQ and dynamics with sophisticated controls, once you delve a little deeper beneath the surface. >> >> The job could have been done any number of ways, some needing virtually no hardware beyond an iPad or computer. This solution was overkill, but catered for all the things we needed to do and made use of what was already to hand. Recording individual mics on multiple tracks allowed the original recordings to be spontaneous and subsequently turned into something a little more polished. >> >> Alan Taylor >> >> >> >>>> On 30 Dec 2020, at 10:30, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >>> >>> ?So now, because I?m a nosey bugger, I need to know what mixer and digital recorder you?ve got, and what software you?re using! My home (office/mancave) system centres around a Presonus 16.0.2usb mixer. If only I had had that way back in the day, when I was lugging a Neve Melbourne around. (then the slightly lighter Neve 5422 Suitcase after that)! >>> Cheers, >>> Nick. >>> >>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>> >>>>> On 30 Dec 2020, at 08:02, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote: >>>> >>>> ?My wife is not daunted by technology and likes to try things for herself if possible. We recently decided to create an audio Christmas greeting for a blind friend of ours and as is so often the case, our ambitions escalated. We ended up using my digital recorder and a few microphones to record our voices and some music. Tracks were laid and edited. The only task left was to mix it down. >>>> >>>> I connected my digital sound desk and of course Janet wanted to learn how to operate it. She has used simpler analogue desks before, but I imagined that she might not intuitively understand the concept of an assignable desk. The essence of it is that instead of having rows of identical EQ controls and Aux outputs for each channel, you have one central panel with controls and displays, with each channel only having a fader and a few buttons. You press a button on a channel to designate it the channel you?re tweaking. >>>> >>>> So off I go, trying to explain this advanced way of working and she points out that she?s well used to that concept. On the hob in the kitchen, she has to press a button to select which ring she wants to adjust and then uses the single pair of hotter/cooler buttons to adjust it. >>>> >>>> Who realised that many of us have assignable consoles in our kitchens? >>>> >>>> Alan Taylor >>>> -- >>>> Tech1 mailing list >>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Wed Dec 30 07:00:04 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 13:00:04 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam alert! Message-ID: My sister-in-law's daughter is a teacher and received a message from the 'NHS' to say that she was eligible for an anti-covid jab. A official looking form had to be filled in including bank details. As you can guess it was all a scam and the crooks have tried to set up various accounts and she has lost about ?100 so far! I have had several this week from 'Amazon Prime' about my account renewing for ?79.99 from my bank account, press button 1. As I don't have such an account I never press anything except the call-barring button, it is a different 'fake' number every time! Cheers, Dave From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Dec 30 08:22:29 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:22:29 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Scam alert! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B2B163D-6FC9-45E2-8E59-F5937D699B15@icloud.com> Ouch! If you listen to the Amazon Prime scam carefully, they don?t actually mention a currency ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Dec 2020, at 13:00, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > My sister-in-law's daughter is a teacher and received a message from the 'NHS' to say that she was eligible for an anti-covid jab. A official looking form had to be filled in including bank details. As you can guess it was all a scam and the crooks have tried to set up various accounts and she has lost about ?100 so far! I have had several this week from 'Amazon Prime' about my account renewing for ?79.99 from my bank account, press button 1. As I don't have such an account I never press anything except the call-barring button, it is a different 'fake' number every time! Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 09:47:11 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 15:47:11 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> References: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> Message-ID: <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> My "Technology is not so mysterious after all"? project this year has been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern technology". My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs.? He uses a spring balance and some kind of tilting routine.? He has a physics PhD, so I asked why he didn't do it in some electronic fashion. This has taken me on a trip into modern electronics, a whole new world. There are few individual components, and they aren't familiar. How about an HT7333-A TO92 250mA LDO? (ebay ?3.99 for ten). They are to keep your 3.3v at 3.3v, I learned along the way. First - how do you weigh things?? You need load cells, and an amplifier.? The cells have a bendy piece of metal attached to a resistor. Bend them and the resistance changes, the amplifier amplifies the tiny result.? ?6.88 the set on ebay. Initially I connected? the amplifier to a Raspberry Pi, because I had one.? Result - I could see changes. But a Raspberry Pi isn't suited to being under a beehive down the garden, so I moved to an Arduino Nano. I'd used them before on another project (?3.70 on ebay).? It worked a treat, I even connected up a tiny OLED display to show the results (ebay ?3.80)? .? A friend has a 00 gauge railway, so I made the OLED/Nano sequence train times as they do on stations because it's the ideal size. I was rejected for being in the wrong time period. I did learn about I2C though, useful later. Of course, this thing has to sit under a beehive down the garden, so there are actually a number of disparate problems still to solve. First the load cells needed to be mounted so they could freely bend.? Chris Woolf and his 3D printer kindly solved this bit with some purpose designed plastic mounts.? Then the completed cells need a frame, two identical frames in fact, locked together with the cells between them. A company called Metals4U sold me 8x1m lengths of rectangular steel tubing - the most expensive single part at around ?25. Strange that very complex electronics is so much cheaper than basic metal. I have a mig welder that I've used very rarely. The good thing about welding is that you can be really rubbish at doing it and still manage to glue things together.? I made one error that I had to angle grind apart, but when I had redone it and ground down the weld, it's almost invisible. Result - two beehive size frames with cross bars for mounting electronics boxes. So waterproof NoMoreNails? and a few cable ties, and the unit is together - but two more big hurdles to jump.?? I can't run a cable from down the garden, so not only do I have to find a source of power, but a way of sending the info. I had to move on from the Arduino to an ESP8266 NodeMcu . No, I hadn't heard of it either, but it's a microcontroller with wifi. You program it with the Arduino IDE system. On the kitchen table I set it all up, and after a few days and some cursing it connects to my wifi and sends readings to tech-ops.co.uk where it's processed with a touch of PHP onto a web page.? The test page is http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result3.php which is ongoing. And now it needs powering. Solar is the obvious thing, so I bought solar panels - ?11.99 on ebay. And a controller and a LiPo battery, plus boxes and battery holder. Plastic boxes are more expensive than complex electronics, too. The controller was a bit obscure. Based on a MCP73871 chip (me neither), the module came without instructions, nor are there any online, just descriptions of what it could do if only you knew how. I hunted, but gave in and just connected the various wires in the labelled places.? When the sun shines there are lights that flash . What they actually mean I don't know, but the battery charges and the weighing machine weighs. So, the other week, it was basically ready to be tested outside. Then I got a bit ambitious. For ?2.09 you can buy a tiny BMP280 module that transmits temperature and pressure. I connected one up, and the ESP8266 NodeMcu overheated and died. I think it was maybe coincidence, but I've bought two replacements just in case (ebay ?9.48). Tomorrow, solder sucking with help from Pauline to remove the broken part, then a refit, and the project continues. I need to complete it whilst the hive is small and the bees are inside. So a cold day in January to fit the thing, and then we shall see. And all because this time last year i said to David "Why can't you do that electronically?" B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Wed Dec 30 09:41:08 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 15:41:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] Scam alert! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58e707bff6davesound@btinternet.com> In article , dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > My sister-in-law's daughter is a teacher and received a message from the > 'NHS' to say that she was eligible for an anti-covid jab. A official > looking form had to be filled in including bank details. As you can > guess it was all a scam and the crooks have tried to set up various > accounts and she has lost about ?100 so far! Do you normally pay for 'NHS' services in advance? Only things I pay for are dentist and optician. But never in advance. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From doug at puddifoot.me Wed Dec 30 11:19:49 2020 From: doug at puddifoot.me (Doug Puddifoot) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 17:19:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all Message-ID: <2dyfyxsf7wg3l1ovp38l97rg.1609347962833@email.android.com> The 8266 has a deep sleep mode which used only 50 micro amps. It can go to sleep for up to an hour, wake up, connect to wifi, take and transmit a reading, then go back to sleep. In this mode it should run for several months on four AA batteries. I have a cat detector by my front door. A pir sensor wakes up the 8266. It sends a message to a raspberry pi. That sends a message to an echo dot, and Alexa announces that the cat is waiting to come in. So far it has been running six weeks on batteries. Doug On 30 December 2020, at 15:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: My "Technology is not so mysterious after all"? project this year has been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern technology".??? My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs.? He uses a spring balance and some kind of tilting routine.? He has a physics PhD, so I asked why he didn't do it in some electronic fashion. This has taken me on a trip into modern electronics, a whole new world. There are few individual components, and they aren't familiar. How about an HT7333-A TO92 250mA LDO? (ebay ?3.99 for ten). They are to keep your 3.3v at 3.3v, I learned along the way. First - how do you weigh things?? You need load cells, and an amplifier.? The cells have a bendy piece of metal attached to a resistor. Bend them and the resistance changes, the amplifier amplifies the tiny result.? ?6.88 the set on ebay. Initially I connected? the amplifier to a Raspberry Pi, because I had one.? Result - I could see changes. But a Raspberry Pi isn't suited to being under a beehive down the garden, so I moved to an Arduino Nano. I'd used them before on another project (?3.70 on ebay).? It worked a treat, I even connected up a tiny OLED display to show the results (ebay ?3.80)? .? A friend has a 00 gauge railway, so I made the OLED/Nano sequence train times as they do on stations because it's the ideal size. I was rejected for being in the wrong time period. I did learn about I2C though, useful later. ? Of course, this thing has to sit under a beehive down the garden, so there are actually a number of disparate problems still to solve. First the load cells needed to be mounted so they could freely bend.? Chris Woolf and his 3D printer kindly solved this bit with some purpose designed plastic mounts.? Then the completed cells need a frame, two identical frames in fact, locked together with the cells between them. A company called Metals4U sold me 8x1m lengths of rectangular steel tubing - the most expensive single part at around ?25. Strange that very complex electronics is so much cheaper than basic metal. I have a mig welder that I've used very rarely. The good thing about welding is that you can be really rubbish at doing it and still manage to glue things together.? I made one error that I had to angle grind apart, but when I had redone it and ground down the weld, it's almost invisible. Result - two beehive size frames with cross bars for mounting electronics boxes. So waterproof NoMoreNails? and a few cable ties, and the unit is together - but two more big hurdles to jump.?? I can't run a cable from down the garden, so not only do I have to find a source of power, but a way of sending the info. I had to move on from the Arduino to an ESP8266 NodeMcu . No, I hadn't heard of it either, but it's a microcontroller with wifi. You program it with the Arduino IDE system. On the kitchen table I set it all up, and after a few days and some cursing it connects to my wifi and sends readings to tech-ops.co.uk where it's processed with a touch of PHP onto a web page.? The test page is http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result3.php? which is ongoing. And now it needs powering. Solar is the obvious thing, so I bought solar panels - ?11.99 on ebay. And a controller and a LiPo battery, plus boxes and battery holder. Plastic boxes are more expensive than complex electronics, too. The controller was a bit obscure. Based on a MCP73871 chip (me neither), the module came without instructions, nor are there any online, just descriptions of what it could do if only you knew how. I hunted, but gave in and just connected the various wires in the labelled places.? When the sun shines there are lights that flash . What they actually mean I don't know, but the battery charges and the weighing machine weighs. So, the other week, it was basically ready to be tested outside. Then I got a bit ambitious. For ?2.09 you can buy a tiny BMP280 module that transmits temperature and pressure. I connected one up, and the ESP8266 NodeMcu overheated and died. I think it was maybe coincidence, but I've bought two replacements just in case (ebay ?9.48). Tomorrow, solder sucking with help from Pauline to remove the broken part, then a refit, and the project continues. I need to complete it whilst the hive is small and the bees are inside. So a cold day in January to fit the thing, and then we shall see. And all because this time last year i said to David "Why can't you do that electronically?" B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Dec 30 11:56:53 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 17:56:53 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> References: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5fecbf66.1c69fb81.566e5.0263@mx.google.com> My brain hurts, Bernie. Why do you need to weigh the hive? I would have thought you need to zero the initial reading when it?s empty? I?m not a bee keeper, but I love honey! And very protective of the little creatures. If I happen across one which is exhausted, I put a dab of honey in front of it. Watching the tongue unrolling is fascinating, and they get enough energy to fly off. On our estate we try to plant shrubs that are attractive to bees and butterflies ? lavender, buddleia etc. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 30 December 2020 15:47 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all My "Technology is not so mysterious after all"? project this year has been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern technology".??? My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs.? He uses a spring balance and some kind of tilting routine.? -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davewagner at gmx.com Wed Dec 30 13:32:12 2020 From: davewagner at gmx.com (David Wagner) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 19:32:12 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> References: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301d6dee2$790a9480$6b1fbd80$@gmx.com> My goodness Bernie. How do you know all this stuff. I?m still haven?t worked out how to fold and glue the EMI 2001 viewfinder in your camera model. Dave Wagner From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1 Sent: 30 December 2020 15:47 To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all My "Technology is not so mysterious after all" project this year has been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern technology". My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs. He uses a spring balance and some kind of tilting routine. He has a physics PhD, so I asked why he didn't do it in some electronic fashion. This has taken me on a trip into modern electronics, a whole new world. There are few individual components, and they aren't familiar. How about an HT7333-A TO92 250mA LDO? (ebay ?3.99 for ten). They are to keep your 3.3v at 3.3v, I learned along the way. First - how do you weigh things? You need load cells, and an amplifier. The cells have a bendy piece of metal attached to a resistor. Bend them and the resistance changes, the amplifier amplifies the tiny result. ?6.88 the set on ebay. Initially I connected the amplifier to a Raspberry Pi, because I had one. Result - I could see changes. But a Raspberry Pi isn't suited to being under a beehive down the garden, so I moved to an Arduino Nano. I'd used them before on another project (?3.70 on ebay). It worked a treat, I even connected up a tiny OLED display to show the results (ebay ?3.80) . A friend has a 00 gauge railway, so I made the OLED/Nano sequence train times as they do on stations because it's the ideal size. I was rejected for being in the wrong time period. I did learn about I2C though, useful later. Of course, this thing has to sit under a beehive down the garden, so there are actually a number of disparate problems still to solve. First the load cells needed to be mounted so they could freely bend. Chris Woolf and his 3D printer kindly solved this bit with some purpose designed plastic mounts. Then the completed cells need a frame, two identical frames in fact, locked together with the cells between them. A company called Metals4U sold me 8x1m lengths of rectangular steel tubing - the most expensive single part at around ?25. Strange that very complex electronics is so much cheaper than basic metal. I have a mig welder that I've used very rarely. The good thing about welding is that you can be really rubbish at doing it and still manage to glue things together. I made one error that I had to angle grind apart, but when I had redone it and ground down the weld, it's almost invisible. Result - two beehive size frames with cross bars for mounting electronics boxes. So waterproof NoMoreNails and a few cable ties, and the unit is together - but two more big hurdles to jump. I can't run a cable from down the garden, so not only do I have to find a source of power, but a way of sending the info. I had to move on from the Arduino to an ESP8266 NodeMcu . No, I hadn't heard of it either, but it's a microcontroller with wifi. You program it with the Arduino IDE system. On the kitchen table I set it all up, and after a few days and some cursing it connects to my wifi and sends readings to tech-ops.co.uk where it's processed with a touch of PHP onto a web page. The test page is http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result3.php which is ongoing. And now it needs powering. Solar is the obvious thing, so I bought solar panels - ?11.99 on ebay. And a controller and a LiPo battery, plus boxes and battery holder. Plastic boxes are more expensive than complex electronics, too. The controller was a bit obscure. Based on a MCP73871 chip (me neither), the module came without instructions, nor are there any online, just descriptions of what it could do if only you knew how. I hunted, but gave in and just connected the various wires in the labelled places. When the sun shines there are lights that flash . What they actually mean I don't know, but the battery charges and the weighing machine weighs. So, the other week, it was basically ready to be tested outside. Then I got a bit ambitious. For ?2.09 you can buy a tiny BMP280 module that transmits temperature and pressure. I connected one up, and the ESP8266 NodeMcu overheated and died. I think it was maybe coincidence, but I've bought two replacements just in case (ebay ?9.48). Tomorrow, solder sucking with help from Pauline to remove the broken part, then a refit, and the project continues. I need to complete it whilst the hive is small and the bees are inside. So a cold day in January to fit the thing, and then we shall see. And all because this time last year i said to David "Why can't you do that electronically?" B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 14:14:16 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 20:14:16 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <2dyfyxsf7wg3l1ovp38l97rg.1609347962833@email.android.com> References: <2dyfyxsf7wg3l1ovp38l97rg.1609347962833@email.android.com> Message-ID: Exotic! I only need to report a weight once a day, so was sad to discover that the ESP8266 will only sleep for 4,294,967,295 microseconds - 71 minutes.? I don't think that's actually much of a problem, as the battery will cope with, say, every 60 minutes, and I'll just record daily into the MySQL database. Keeps your brain working. B On 30/12/2020 17:19, Doug Puddifoot wrote: > > The 8266 has a deep sleep mode which used only 50 micro amps. It can > go to sleep for up to an hour, wake up, connect to wifi, take and > transmit a reading, then go back to sleep. In this mode it should run > for several months on four AA batteries. I have a cat detector by my > front door. A pir sensor wakes up the 8266. It sends a message to a > raspberry pi. That sends a message to an echo dot, and Alexa announces > that the cat is waiting to come in. So far it has been running six > weeks on batteries. > > Doug > > > > On 30 December 2020, at 15:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > wrote: > > > My "Technology is not so mysterious after all"? project this year has > been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern > technology". > > My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not > bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs.? He uses a spring > balance and some kind of tilting routine.? He has a physics PhD, so I > asked why he didn't do it in some electronic fashion. This has taken > me on a trip into modern electronics, a whole new world. There are few > individual components, and they aren't familiar. How about an HT7333-A > TO92 250mA LDO? (ebay ?3.99 for ten). They are to keep your 3.3v at > 3.3v, I learned along the way. > > First - how do you weigh things?? You need load cells, and an > amplifier.? The cells have a bendy piece of metal attached to a > resistor. Bend them and the resistance changes, the amplifier > amplifies the tiny result.? ?6.88 the set on ebay. > > Initially I connected? the amplifier to a Raspberry Pi, because I had > one.? Result - I could see changes. But a Raspberry Pi isn't suited to > being under a beehive down the garden, so I moved to an Arduino Nano. > I'd used them before on another project (?3.70 on ebay).? It worked a > treat, I even connected up a tiny OLED display to show the results > (ebay ?3.80)? .? A friend has a 00 gauge railway, so I made the > OLED/Nano sequence train times as they do on stations because it's the > ideal size. I was rejected for being in the wrong time period. I did > learn about I2C though, useful later. > > Of course, this thing has to sit under a beehive down the garden, so > there are actually a number of disparate problems still to solve. > First the load cells needed to be mounted so they could freely bend.? > Chris Woolf and his 3D printer kindly solved this bit with some > purpose designed plastic mounts.? Then the completed cells need a > frame, two identical frames in fact, locked together with the cells > between them. A company called Metals4U sold me 8x1m lengths of > rectangular steel tubing - the most expensive single part at around > ?25. Strange that very complex electronics is so much cheaper than > basic metal. > > I have a mig welder that I've used very rarely. The good thing about > welding is that you can be really rubbish at doing it and still manage > to glue things together.? I made one error that I had to angle grind > apart, but when I had redone it and ground down the weld, it's almost > invisible. Result - two beehive size frames with cross bars for > mounting electronics boxes. > > So waterproof NoMoreNails? and a few cable ties, and the unit is > together - but two more big hurdles to jump.?? I can't run a cable > from down the garden, so not only do I have to find a source of power, > but a way of sending the info. I had to move on from the Arduino to an > ESP8266 NodeMcu . No, I hadn't heard of it either, but it's a > microcontroller with wifi. You program it with the Arduino IDE system. > On the kitchen table I set it all up, and after a few days and some > cursing it connects to my wifi and sends readings to tech-ops.co.uk > where it's processed with a touch of PHP onto > a web page.? The test page is > http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result3.php which is ongoing. > > And now it needs powering. Solar is the obvious thing, so I bought > solar panels - ?11.99 on ebay. And a controller and a LiPo battery, > plus boxes and battery holder. Plastic boxes are more expensive than > complex electronics, too. The controller was a bit obscure. Based on a > MCP73871 chip (me neither), the module came without instructions, nor > are there any online, just descriptions of what it could do if only > you knew how. I hunted, but gave in and just connected the various > wires in the labelled places.? When the sun shines there are lights > that flash . What they actually mean I don't know, but the battery > charges and the weighing machine weighs. > > So, the other week, it was basically ready to be tested outside. Then > I got a bit ambitious. For ?2.09 you can buy a tiny BMP280 module that > transmits temperature and pressure. I connected one up, and the > ESP8266 NodeMcu overheated and died. I think it was maybe coincidence, > but I've bought two replacements just in case (ebay ?9.48). > > Tomorrow, solder sucking with help from Pauline to remove the broken > part, then a refit, and the project continues. I need to complete it > whilst the hive is small and the bees are inside. So a cold day in > January to fit the thing, and then we shall see. > > And all because this time last year i said to David "Why can't you do > that electronically?" > > B -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graeme.wall at icloud.com Wed Dec 30 14:16:49 2020 From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 20:16:49 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: References: <2dyfyxsf7wg3l1ovp38l97rg.1609347962833@email.android.com> Message-ID: What you need is 24 of them in cascade so it?s only the last one that actually reports in. ? Graeme Wall > On 30 Dec 2020, at 20:14, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: > > Exotic! > > I only need to report a weight once a day, so was sad to discover that the ESP8266 will only sleep for 4,294,967,295 microseconds - 71 minutes. I don't think that's actually much of a problem, as the battery will cope with, say, every 60 minutes, and I'll just record daily into the MySQL database. Keeps your brain working. > > B > > > > On 30/12/2020 17:19, Doug Puddifoot wrote: >> The 8266 has a deep sleep mode which used only 50 micro amps. It can go to sleep for up to an hour, wake up, connect to wifi, take and transmit a reading, then go back to sleep. In this mode it should run for several months on four AA batteries. I have a cat detector by my front door. A pir sensor wakes up the 8266. It sends a message to a raspberry pi. That sends a message to an echo dot, and Alexa announces that the cat is waiting to come in. So far it has been running six weeks on batteries. >> >> Doug >> >> >> >> On 30 December 2020, at 15:47, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 wrote: >> >> >> My "Technology is not so mysterious after all" project this year has been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern technology". >> >> My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs. He uses a spring balance and some kind of tilting routine. He has a physics PhD, so I asked why he didn't do it in some electronic fashion. This has taken me on a trip into modern electronics, a whole new world. There are few individual components, and they aren't familiar. How about an HT7333-A TO92 250mA LDO? (ebay ?3.99 for ten). They are to keep your 3.3v at 3.3v, I learned along the way. >> >> First - how do you weigh things? You need load cells, and an amplifier. The cells have a bendy piece of metal attached to a resistor. Bend them and the resistance changes, the amplifier amplifies the tiny result. ?6.88 the set on ebay. >> >> Initially I connected the amplifier to a Raspberry Pi, because I had one. Result - I could see changes. But a Raspberry Pi isn't suited to being under a beehive down the garden, so I moved to an Arduino Nano. I'd used them before on another project (?3.70 on ebay). It worked a treat, I even connected up a tiny OLED display to show the results (ebay ?3.80) . A friend has a 00 gauge railway, so I made the OLED/Nano sequence train times as they do on stations because it's the ideal size. I was rejected for being in the wrong time period. I did learn about I2C though, useful later. >> >> Of course, this thing has to sit under a beehive down the garden, so there are actually a number of disparate problems still to solve. First the load cells needed to be mounted so they could freely bend. Chris Woolf and his 3D printer kindly solved this bit with some purpose designed plastic mounts. Then the completed cells need a frame, two identical frames in fact, locked together with the cells between them. A company called Metals4U sold me 8x1m lengths of rectangular steel tubing - the most expensive single part at around ?25. Strange that very complex electronics is so much cheaper than basic metal. >> >> I have a mig welder that I've used very rarely. The good thing about welding is that you can be really rubbish at doing it and still manage to glue things together. I made one error that I had to angle grind apart, but when I had redone it and ground down the weld, it's almost invisible. Result - two beehive size frames with cross bars for mounting electronics boxes. >> >> So waterproof NoMoreNails and a few cable ties, and the unit is together - but two more big hurdles to jump. I can't run a cable from down the garden, so not only do I have to find a source of power, but a way of sending the info. I had to move on from the Arduino to an ESP8266 NodeMcu . No, I hadn't heard of it either, but it's a microcontroller with wifi. You program it with the Arduino IDE system. On the kitchen table I set it all up, and after a few days and some cursing it connects to my wifi and sends readings to tech-ops.co.uk where it's processed with a touch of PHP onto a web page. The test page is http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result3.php which is ongoing. >> >> And now it needs powering. Solar is the obvious thing, so I bought solar panels - ?11.99 on ebay. And a controller and a LiPo battery, plus boxes and battery holder. Plastic boxes are more expensive than complex electronics, too. The controller was a bit obscure. Based on a MCP73871 chip (me neither), the module came without instructions, nor are there any online, just descriptions of what it could do if only you knew how. I hunted, but gave in and just connected the various wires in the labelled places. When the sun shines there are lights that flash . What they actually mean I don't know, but the battery charges and the weighing machine weighs. >> >> So, the other week, it was basically ready to be tested outside. Then I got a bit ambitious. For ?2.09 you can buy a tiny BMP280 module that transmits temperature and pressure. I connected one up, and the ESP8266 NodeMcu overheated and died. I think it was maybe coincidence, but I've bought two replacements just in case (ebay ?9.48). >> >> Tomorrow, solder sucking with help from Pauline to remove the broken part, then a refit, and the project continues. I need to complete it whilst the hive is small and the bees are inside. So a cold day in January to fit the thing, and then we shall see. >> >> And all because this time last year i said to David "Why can't you do that electronically?" >> >> B > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 14:16:58 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 20:16:58 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <5fecbf66.1c69fb81.566e5.0263@mx.google.com> References: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> <5fecbf66.1c69fb81.566e5.0263@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <49e71d92-c367-e59e-6e25-0677556a8516@ntlworld.com> I don't usually bother to weigh mine, but it does tell you optimum time to steal the honey. Zeroing the system isn't a problem, as you do that in software using a known weight, in my case a 5Kg bag of sugar meant for winter bee food. B On 30/12/2020 17:56, patheigham wrote: > > My brain hurts, Bernie. > > Why do you need to weigh the hive? > > I would have thought you need to zero the initial reading when it?s empty? > > I?m not a bee keeper, but I love honey! And very protective of the > little creatures. If I happen across one which is exhausted, I put a > dab of honey in front of it. Watching the tongue unrolling is > fascinating, and they get enough energy to fly off. > > On our estate we try to plant shrubs that are attractive to bees and > butterflies ? lavender, ?buddleia ?etc. > > Pat > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent: *30 December 2020 15:47 > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all > > My "Technology is not so mysterious after all"? project this year has > been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern > technology". > > My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not > bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs.? He uses a spring > balance and some kind of tilting routine. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Avast logo > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bernie833 at gmail.com Wed Dec 30 14:19:51 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 20:19:51 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all In-Reply-To: <000301d6dee2$790a9480$6b1fbd80$@gmx.com> References: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> <000301d6dee2$790a9480$6b1fbd80$@gmx.com> Message-ID: <1c341fbe-e1db-070e-27f4-dc913b0450ad@ntlworld.com> I made a good few of those viewfinders, changing the design each time. At one point I had about five variations on the 2001 body and several viewfinders all sitting on the dining room table.? It certainly works fine now, just a bit fiddly. B On 30/12/2020 19:32, David Wagner wrote: > > My goodness Bernie. How do you know all this stuff. > > I?m still haven?t worked out how to fold and glue the EMI 2001 > viewfinder in your camera model. > > Dave Wagner > > *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of > *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 > *Sent:* 30 December 2020 15:47 > *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all > > My "Technology is not so mysterious after all"? project this year has > been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern > technology". > > My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then not > bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs.? He uses a spring > balance and some kind of tilting routine.? He has a physics PhD, so I > asked why he didn't do it in some electronic fashion. This has taken > me on a trip into modern electronics, a whole new world. There are few > individual components, and they aren't familiar. How about an HT7333-A > TO92 250mA LDO? (ebay ?3.99 for ten). They are to keep your 3.3v at > 3.3v, I learned along the way. > > First - how do you weigh things?? You need load cells, and an > amplifier.? The cells have a bendy piece of metal attached to a > resistor. Bend them and the resistance changes, the amplifier > amplifies the tiny result.? ?6.88 the set on ebay. > > Initially I connected? the amplifier to a Raspberry Pi, because I had > one.? Result - I could see changes. But a Raspberry Pi isn't suited to > being under a beehive down the garden, so I moved to an Arduino Nano. > I'd used them before on another project (?3.70 on ebay).? It worked a > treat, I even connected up a tiny OLED display to show the results > (ebay ?3.80)? .? A friend has a 00 gauge railway, so I made the > OLED/Nano sequence train times as they do on stations because it's the > ideal size. I was rejected for being in the wrong time period. I did > learn about I2C though, useful later. > > Of course, this thing has to sit under a beehive down the garden, so > there are actually a number of disparate problems still to solve. > First the load cells needed to be mounted so they could freely bend.? > Chris Woolf and his 3D printer kindly solved this bit with some > purpose designed plastic mounts. Then the completed cells need a > frame, two identical frames in fact, locked together with the cells > between them. A company called Metals4U sold me 8x1m lengths of > rectangular steel tubing - the most expensive single part at around > ?25. Strange that very complex electronics is so much cheaper than > basic metal. > > I have a mig welder that I've used very rarely. The good thing about > welding is that you can be really rubbish at doing it and still manage > to glue things together.? I made one error that I had to angle grind > apart, but when I had redone it and ground down the weld, it's almost > invisible. Result - two beehive size frames with cross bars for > mounting electronics boxes. > > So waterproof NoMoreNails? and a few cable ties, and the unit is > together - but two more big hurdles to jump.?? I can't run a cable > from down the garden, so not only do I have to find a source of power, > but a way of sending the info. I had to move on from the Arduino to an > ESP8266 NodeMcu . No, I hadn't heard of it either, but it's a > microcontroller with wifi. You program it with the Arduino IDE system. > On the kitchen table I set it all up, and after a few days and some > cursing it connects to my wifi and sends readings to tech-ops.co.uk > where it's processed with a touch of PHP onto a web page.? The test > page is http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result3.php > which is ongoing. > > And now it needs powering. Solar is the obvious thing, so I bought > solar panels - ?11.99 on ebay. And a controller and a LiPo battery, > plus boxes and battery holder. Plastic boxes are more expensive than > complex electronics, too. The controller was a bit obscure. Based on a > MCP73871 chip (me neither), the module came without instructions, nor > are there any online, just descriptions of what it could do if only > you knew how. I hunted, but gave in and just connected the various > wires in the labelled places.? When the sun shines there are lights > that flash . What they actually mean I don't know, but the battery > charges and the weighing machine weighs. > > So, the other week, it was basically ready to be tested outside. Then > I got a bit ambitious. For ?2.09 you can buy a tiny BMP280 module that > transmits temperature and pressure. I connected one up, and the > ESP8266 NodeMcu overheated and died. I think it was maybe coincidence, > but I've bought two replacements just in case (ebay ?9.48). > > Tomorrow, solder sucking with help from Pauline to remove the broken > part, then a refit, and the project continues. I need to complete it > whilst the hive is small and the bees are inside. So a cold day in > January to fit the thing, and then we shall see. > > And all because this time last year i said to David "Why can't you do > that electronically?" > > B > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In most screens, the Zoom ?Mic muted? icon was visible ? another cue that some individual replies were a bit inserted and same even when one saw applause. However all the presenters mics are all muffled and lousy frequency response. One may be able to accept the occasional visitors appearing but surely there is absolutely no excuse for the main presenter being like that. Both the male presenter in edition 1 and the lady in 2 suffered the same so nothing to do with them but must be down to sound mix. The lady today was bending down a lot over some experiments and that made the muffling even worse. I could see the mic on the edge of her dress but that should have been placed OK. Comments? Available on iPlayer probably for any of you to try and then give comments. Mike Jordan (Ex OBs KA!) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pat.heigham at amps.net Wed Dec 30 17:31:47 2020 From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham) Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2020 23:31:47 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male In-Reply-To: <08731515C491436BAED622097A5D6D90@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> References: <0173BA4C-83E7-4F12-8E6E-263F42BF3AC6@gmail.com> <08731515C491436BAED622097A5D6D90@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Message-ID: <5fed0de4.1c69fb81.ff2bc.b1dd@mx.google.com> I?m reminded of being asked to record the son of good friends before his voice broke. Recorded in Abinger church in Surrey ? it was well removed from roads, so a quiet location. His uncle played the organ, and young Peter?s voice was so strong that I was constantly moving the mic further away. We made a decent CD from that session. The lad went on to Eton with a music scholarship, then Cambridge where he met his wife who is now a professional soprano http://juliadoylesoprano.com/ She?s a lovely, caring girl, who came and did some shopping for me during the first lockdown, sadly, all her concerts for 2020 got cancelled. Peter is one of my LPA?s and I cannot think of anyone better to sort out my affairs when I go completely doolaly! Best to everyone for 2021 ? hopefully better than the past year. Pat Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Newbitt via Tech1 Sent: 30 December 2020 09:32 To: Geoffrey Hawkes; Nick Ware Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male This interesting thread reminds me of my own younger days as a choirboy in a small Somerset village to which we moved in 1950. rail. Boy trebles to the right in the front row with a handful of tenors and basses behind them. One boy with a voice like an angel. I can hear him now singing Mendelssohn's "Oh for the Wings of a Dove" and I firmly believe Ernest Lough would have wept if he could have heard him! -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hughsheppard at btinternet.com Thu Dec 31 02:36:24 2020 From: hughsheppard at btinternet.com (Hugh Sheppard) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 08:36:24 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Christmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh My!!? Am I looking forward to learning why indistinct speech is the bane of so many 'shows' nowadays.? Recordings from 50 years ago are so much better, giving the lie to it all being down to my hearing. Only News programmes generally escape the criticism.? If it was a post-production problem, wouldn't the vision and/or any background music also suffer? And, while we're at it, why are there so many drop-outs of contributor circuits during live interviews etc?? I know digital cuts out rather than degrades, but the glitches - and apologies - are legion. Humbugs all around. Hugh On 30-Dec-20 10:02 PM, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: > Just watched the second edition of this (recorded last night) > I worked on this for several years a few years ago as EM and so > recognise the site and facilities a bit (no scanner outside or masses > of cables through the windows now!) > I don?t think it is me or our TV but both editions so far have been > almost unintelligible and the temptation is to put on the subtitles. > I realise the youthful audience is all Zoomed all over the country so > one can accept the audio quality of their responses (looks like the > applause and some cutaways are edited in afterwards anyway). However > that was a good idea even though some of them seemed less interested > and mixed in on the multiscreens. In most screens, the Zoom ?Mic > muted? icon was visible ? another cue that some individual replies > were a bit inserted and same even when one saw applause. > However all the presenters mics are all muffled and lousy frequency > response. > One may be able to accept the occasional visitors appearing but surely > there is absolutely no excuse for the main presenter being like that. > Both the male presenter in edition 1 and the lady in 2 suffered the > same so nothing to do with them but must be down to sound mix. > The lady today was bending down a lot over some experiments and that > made the muffling even worse. > I could see the mic on the edge of her dress but that should have been > placed OK. > Comments? > Available on iPlayer probably for any of you to try and then give > comments. > Mike Jordan (Ex OBs KA!) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Dec 31 04:12:02 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:12:02 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Christmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amen to that Hugh. Seems to be across the spectrum of recorded material. Last night my wife and I indulged in the emotion-heavy ?A Street Cat named Bob? and the intelligibility level was disappointing to say the least. My hearing has deteriorated but Hilary?s has not but all that meant was that she lost less of the dialogue than I did. The overall experience was sadly spoiled. Apologies if I?ve said this before but I remember in our early BBC training being told that, on average, 80% of the intelligibility of programme material lay in the sound content. Perhaps down the years guidance came to rest on a figure of 8% following someone?s typo! Dave Newbitt. From: Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 8:36 AM To: Tech-Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] RI Christmas lectures audio Oh My!! Am I looking forward to learning why indistinct speech is the bane of so many 'shows' nowadays. Recordings from 50 years ago are so much better, giving the lie to it all being down to my hearing. Only News programmes generally escape the criticism. If it was a post-production problem, wouldn't the vision and/or any background music also suffer? And, while we're at it, why are there so many drop-outs of contributor circuits during live interviews etc? I know digital cuts out rather than degrades, but the glitches - and apologies - are legion. Humbugs all around. Hugh On 30-Dec-20 10:02 PM, Mike Jordan via Tech1 wrote: Just watched the second edition of this (recorded last night) I worked on this for several years a few years ago as EM and so recognise the site and facilities a bit (no scanner outside or masses of cables through the windows now!) I don?t think it is me or our TV but both editions so far have been almost unintelligible and the temptation is to put on the subtitles. I realise the youthful audience is all Zoomed all over the country so one can accept the audio quality of their responses (looks like the applause and some cutaways are edited in afterwards anyway). However that was a good idea even though some of them seemed less interested and mixed in on the multiscreens. In most screens, the Zoom ?Mic muted? icon was visible ? another cue that some individual replies were a bit inserted and same even when one saw applause. However all the presenters mics are all muffled and lousy frequency response. One may be able to accept the occasional visitors appearing but surely there is absolutely no excuse for the main presenter being like that. Both the male presenter in edition 1 and the lady in 2 suffered the same so nothing to do with them but must be down to sound mix. The lady today was bending down a lot over some experiments and that made the muffling even worse. I could see the mic on the edge of her dress but that should have been placed OK. Comments? Available on iPlayer probably for any of you to try and then give comments. Mike Jordan (Ex OBs KA!) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 31 04:49:29 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 10:49:29 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] RI Christmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58e770e270davesound@btinternet.com> In article , Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Oh My!! Am I looking forward to learning why indistinct speech is the > bane of so many 'shows' nowadays. Recordings from 50 years ago are so > much better, giving the lie to it all being down to my hearing. Only > News programmes generally escape the criticism. If it was a > post-production problem, wouldn't the vision and/or any background music > also suffer? It's interesting to listen to R4 FreeView - so pretty well the same chain as you use for TV progs. Speech 'quality' on that seems to me the same as ever. Can't remember ever listening to a drama there where I couldn't easily understand the dialogue. Which begs the question as to why it seems to happen so often on TV? It's certainly the case that 'top' has gone out of fashion on so much pop music stuff. I'd guess some think it takes them away from 'digital' and back to analogue. Wrongly so. And perhaps this thinking gets transferred to much TV sound? And it also applies to news and current affairs sometimes. BBC1 news is very variable. It often sounds like a personal mic used 'flat'. And a worn out one at that. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From bernie833 at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 05:11:19 2020 From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:11:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all - paper camera viewfinder In-Reply-To: <1c341fbe-e1db-070e-27f4-dc913b0450ad@ntlworld.com> References: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> <000301d6dee2$790a9480$6b1fbd80$@gmx.com> <1c341fbe-e1db-070e-27f4-dc913b0450ad@ntlworld.com> Message-ID: <80ee334c-a255-7da5-1e50-cab129c00c8d@gmail.com> Dave Wagner asked for more instructions on making the viewfinder for the paper camera project. I've put together a PDF, attached, but it's difficult to tell from the inside whether it's more useful.? A report back if you are stuck there would be useful. cheers B On 30/12/2020 20:19, Bernard Newnham wrote: > I made a good few of those viewfinders, changing the design each time. > At one point I had about five variations on the 2001 body and several > viewfinders all sitting on the dining room table.? It certainly works > fine now, just a bit fiddly. > > B > > > > On 30/12/2020 19:32, David Wagner wrote: >> >> My goodness Bernie. How do you know all this stuff. >> >> I?m still haven?t worked out how to fold and glue the EMI 2001 >> viewfinder in your camera model. >> >> Dave Wagner >> >> *From:*Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] *On Behalf Of >> *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 >> *Sent:* 30 December 2020 15:47 >> *To:* tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> *Subject:* Re: [Tech1] Technology is not so mysterious after all >> >> My "Technology is not so mysterious after all"? project this year has >> been the continuing story of "How to weigh a beehive using modern >> technology". >> >> My neighbour David likes to weigh his beehives regularly, and then >> not bore us at all (at all!) with lots of graphs. He uses a spring >> balance and some kind of tilting routine. He has a physics PhD, so I >> asked why he didn't do it in some electronic fashion. This has taken >> me on a trip into modern electronics, a whole new world. There are >> few individual components, and they aren't familiar. How about an >> HT7333-A TO92 250mA LDO? (ebay ?3.99 for ten). They are to keep your >> 3.3v at 3.3v, I learned along the way. >> >> First - how do you weigh things?? You need load cells, and an >> amplifier.? The cells have a bendy piece of metal attached to a >> resistor. Bend them and the resistance changes, the amplifier >> amplifies the tiny result.? ?6.88 the set on ebay. >> >> Initially I connected? the amplifier to a Raspberry Pi, because I had >> one.? Result - I could see changes. But a Raspberry Pi isn't suited >> to being under a beehive down the garden, so I moved to an Arduino >> Nano. I'd used them before on another project (?3.70 on ebay).? It >> worked a treat, I even connected up a tiny OLED display to show the >> results (ebay ?3.80)? .? A friend has a 00 gauge railway, so I made >> the OLED/Nano sequence train times as they do on stations because >> it's the ideal size. I was rejected for being in the wrong time >> period. I did learn about I2C though, useful later. >> >> Of course, this thing has to sit under a beehive down the garden, so >> there are actually a number of disparate problems still to solve. >> First the load cells needed to be mounted so they could freely bend.? >> Chris Woolf and his 3D printer kindly solved this bit with some >> purpose designed plastic mounts.? Then the completed cells need a >> frame, two identical frames in fact, locked together with the cells >> between them. A company called Metals4U sold me 8x1m lengths of >> rectangular steel tubing - the most expensive single part at around >> ?25. Strange that very complex electronics is so much cheaper than >> basic metal. >> >> I have a mig welder that I've used very rarely. The good thing about >> welding is that you can be really rubbish at doing it and still >> manage to glue things together.? I made one error that I had to angle >> grind apart, but when I had redone it and ground down the weld, it's >> almost invisible. Result - two beehive size frames with cross bars >> for mounting electronics boxes. >> >> So waterproof NoMoreNails? and a few cable ties, and the unit is >> together - but two more big hurdles to jump.?? I can't run a cable >> from down the garden, so not only do I have to find a source of >> power, but a way of sending the info. I had to move on from the >> Arduino to an ESP8266 NodeMcu . No, I hadn't heard of it either, but >> it's a microcontroller with wifi. You program it with the Arduino IDE >> system. On the kitchen table I set it all up, and after a few days >> and some cursing it connects to my wifi and sends readings to >> tech-ops.co.uk where it's processed with a touch of PHP onto a web >> page.? The test page is http://www.tech-ops.co.uk/hives/result3.php >> which is ongoing. >> >> And now it needs powering. Solar is the obvious thing, so I bought >> solar panels - ?11.99 on ebay. And a controller and a LiPo battery, >> plus boxes and battery holder. Plastic boxes are more expensive than >> complex electronics, too. The controller was a bit obscure. Based on >> a MCP73871 chip (me neither), the module came without instructions, >> nor are there any online, just descriptions of what it could do if >> only you knew how. I hunted, but gave in and just connected the >> various wires in the labelled places.? When the sun shines there are >> lights that flash . What they actually mean I don't know, but the >> battery charges and the weighing machine weighs. >> >> So, the other week, it was basically ready to be tested outside. Then >> I got a bit ambitious. For ?2.09 you can buy a tiny BMP280 module >> that transmits temperature and pressure. I connected one up, and the >> ESP8266 NodeMcu overheated and died. I think it was maybe >> coincidence, but I've bought two replacements just in case (ebay ?9.48). >> >> Tomorrow, solder sucking with help from Pauline to remove the broken >> part, then a refit, and the project continues. I need to complete it >> whilst the hive is small and the bees are inside. So a cold day in >> January to fit the thing, and then we shall see. >> >> And all because this time last year i said to David "Why can't you do >> that electronically?" >> >> B >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: VF_instructions.PDF Type: application/pdf Size: 5091472 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 05:22:32 2020 From: ohbytheway.tv at gmail.com (David Denness) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 11:22:32 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] RI Christmas lectures audio In-Reply-To: <58e770e270davesound@btinternet.com> References: <58e770e270davesound@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <003501d6df67$3bcc2b30$b3648190$@gmail.com> I think it's down to the fact that R4 still use trained and experienced sound technicians and engineers. These are sadly lacking on many TV shows, and even when one gets assigned to a show there is so much adherence to Loudness meters they are unable to concentrate on programme content. I'm forever grateful I'm not involved in making programmes any more Dave D -----Original Message----- From: Tech1 On Behalf Of Dave Plowman via Tech1 Sent: 31 December 2020 10:49 To: Tech-Ops Subject: Re: [Tech1] RI Christmas lectures audio In article , Hugh Sheppard via Tech1 wrote: > Oh My!! Am I looking forward to learning why indistinct speech is the > bane of so many 'shows' nowadays. Recordings from 50 years ago are so > much better, giving the lie to it all being down to my hearing. Only > News programmes generally escape the criticism. If it was a > post-production problem, wouldn't the vision and/or any background > music also suffer? It's interesting to listen to R4 FreeView - so pretty well the same chain as you use for TV progs. Speech 'quality' on that seems to me the same as ever. Can't remember ever listening to a drama there where I couldn't easily understand the dialogue. Which begs the question as to why it seems to happen so often on TV? It's certainly the case that 'top' has gone out of fashion on so much pop music stuff. I'd guess some think it takes them away from 'digital' and back to analogue. Wrongly so. And perhaps this thinking gets transferred to much TV sound? And it also applies to news and current affairs sometimes. BBC1 news is very variable. It often sounds like a personal mic used 'flat'. And a worn out one at that. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 -- Tech1 mailing list Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From waresound at msn.com Thu Dec 31 06:56:57 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 12:56:57 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility Message-ID: Ah, Somerset! ?In 1950 I was a kid at Wells Cathedral School (boys and male staff only - with the exception of Matron, and I was never quite sure how female she was!). I wasn?t a cathedral chorister, but we did sing there regularly. I was more interested in the organ, and was allowed in there in the evenings to practice. My best mate, Malcolm Brinson, was an incredibly talented organist, even at that young age. He came from Marlborough, or it might have been Frome - memory on that eludes me at the moment, and he was our school chapel organist. At weekends, he and I, often accompanied by our Physics master, Mr Carter, (that sounds dodgy, but he was one of the few who weren?t!), also an orsganist, used to cycle all over Somerset, going into ancient little village churches that were invariably not kept locked in those days. We would walk in and think: ?Now if I was organist here, where would I hide the key to the organ?? We always found it, and although we often got caught red handed, we never once got told off or thrown out, with the exception of Downside School chapel (Abbey), where we probably should have asked first! Malcolm and Mr Carter were both so much better players than me that I was mostly content to listen to them. I knew even then that my brain was wired for Physics and Electronics, and making things, and that is how it has been ever since, which I regret to some extent. How nice it would have been to be able to do both. I lost touch with Malcolm, but soon after I left school, my sister married an organist/choirmaster who had just been appointed as organist at the New Guildford Cathedral. That?s 60 years ago now! He (and I) moved on to St Paul?s after that, making many records and CD?s there, and then he was appointed to St Albans Cathedral (which turned out to be Lance Andrews? territory!) That story is still evolving........ Even at 86, he still trundles off to his local church (Draycott) and records, edits, adds reverb, etc. His Christmas card to those close to him, was a wonderful selection that he had played, recorded, edited, and put on CD, and done the CD label and inlay card, without any help from anyone else. He and I both use SoundForge and Altiverb for such purposes. His driving force is that as you get older, you must keep your brain and body active or you will just fall apart - you mustn?t just sit around doing nothing. He still gives organ recitals and nips over to the USA to host choral training courses, broadcasts, etc. Being a virtuoso organist is about as physically and mentally demanding as it?s possible to be! Way beyond anything I could ever do. But I do still go for long dog walks in the Countryside and make things, whether I need them or not. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > On 30 Dec 2020, at 09:32, David Newbitt wrote: > > ?This interesting thread reminds me of my own younger days as a choirboy in a small Somerset village to which we moved in 1950. Not being churchgoers themselves my parents nevertheless ensured that my sister and I regularly attended Church services and Sunday school. It was a simple reality that, particularly in small communities, the church was the focus of neighbourhood relationships. Our village like many had too small a population for auditioning and selecting choir members - all children who were willing were in the choir. The process was incentivised by an annual summer outing to the seaside, a Christmas party plus a winter visit to Bristol for a pantomime at either the Bristol Old Vic or Hippodrome. I invariably fell in love with the principal boy and once got left behind on Temple Meads Station when the Taunton train headed off, doubtless because I was still in a dream! The organist had registered my absence and jumped off the train as it moved away from the station, finding me safe and sound. I remember it was a long wait for the next train but the organist never once remonstrated with me. > > Back with the choir. The girl sopranos sat in two rows on the left of the chancel with the organ console behind them and the two lady altos (one of whom easily drowned the entire choir) squeezed between them and the altar rail. Boy trebles to the right in the front row with a handful of tenors and basses behind them. They relieved the boredom by finger flicking the backs of our ears. Amongst this otherwise undistinguished assembly was one boy with a voice like an angel. I can hear him now singing Mendelssohn's "Oh for the Wings of a Dove" and I firmly believe Ernest Lough would have wept if he could have heard him! > > The comments re girl/boy voices are I'm sure entirely fair. Sure, just as with conducting, it has been a slow path to recognition for the lasses (eg the long wait for some of the Cathedral Choirs to accept them) but I can not imagine a girl's voice suiting the Mendelssohn. It is in the end horses for courses. And don't forget the Luton Girls Choir! > > Dave Newbitt. > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey Hawkes via Tech1 > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:59 PM > To: Nick Ware > Cc: Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male > > In answer to my original question about the technical coverage of Carols From Kings on BBC2, I received a message from a man on the spot who gave a detailed and informative description. He added that two of the choir?s male singers had tested positive for COVID and they all had to isolate so the Kings Singers were brought in at the last minute. > I loved the music and the singing especially as I couldn?t get to the Town Carol Service at the church in Chesham where they always put on a good ?show? with Ray Monk as the MD. I like seeing the faces of the choir and reading their expressions and watching the skilful hands of the musicians as they play, so the visual side of the tv presentation is important for me. Shots of the architecture of a church is also uplifting as I reflect on the skill and dedication of those who designed and built it to the glory of God, though I?m not keen on too many tilts up to the ceiling, or focussing on a foreground object in a deep wide shot, which has become fashionable on every kind of show from dramas to Countryfile and Gardeners World. > Worship is uniquely something we humans do and we can express it with our whole being, music and song as one way to do it. That can be to God in whatever form we believe that God to be (for me it?s the God of the Bible), or in expression of our love for a person, perhaps better described as adoration, as in love songs down the ages. > I love the sound of children singing and boy sopranos have a special quality of their own. The one thing that puts me off is when the singers pronounce ?Christ? as ?Chlist? which isn?t natural. > I?d like to think that the choristers come from a variety of backgrounds, rich and poor alike and aren?t all privileged public schoolboys (or girls) with pushy parents, but perhaps that?s being too judgemental, > Geoff Hawkes > >> On 29 Dec 2020, at 12:24, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: >> ?Assuming you meant that seriously and not in jest: >> I?ve been in and around choirs all my life, and I think it fair to say that the Choristers, and the Kings Singers who you criticise for being ?all white blokes? are auditioned and selected from those why apply to join, purely for their musical abilities. And in the case of the boy probationers, for their potential to become the best. No other reason than that. >> I was more concerned that the 14 regular ?gentlemen of the choir? were totally excluded in favour of the undoubtedly more ?TV celebrity status? Kings Singers. There has been some comment in the choral community about that. >> I found the pre-recorded Radio 3 full choir version (which was better technical quality on BBC Sounds than on either broadcast platform), much more to my liking. I don?t need to be distracted from the music by random pictures right in close, or panning up to the vaulting, fabulous though it is. I have to confess though, I do tend to fast forward through the lessons which I?ve heard far too many times. >> And as to gender: Most cathedrals have separate boys and a girls choirs, who may sing together, or may sing separately. The Kings College Chapel Choir is a tradition, and a very distinctive sound that goes back a long way. As soon as you mix boy and girl trebles, that sound isn?t the same. And for TV, as soon as you turn it on its head and make it about the faces and not the music, then I?m afraid you?ve lost me. >> There are any number of things that certainly do need to change in the World, but change means losing what went before, and on a forum which is all about what went before, I?m sure you?ll agree that some things are worth preserving. For me, Kings College Chapel Choir is near the top of the list. >> Cheers and Happy New Year, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >>>> On 29 Dec 2020, at 10:41, crew13 via Tech1 wrote: >>> ?Carols from Kings was indeed well made. >>> But the bit I saw was all white blokes! >>> Time for a change I think >>> John V >>> -- >>> Tech1 mailing list >>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From davesound at btinternet.com Thu Dec 31 07:49:40 2020 From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 13:49:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Tech1] RI Xmas lectures audio Message-ID: <58e78161a8davesound@btinternet.com> In article <003501d6df67$3bcc2b30$b3648190$@gmail.com>, David Denness wrote: > I think it's down to the fact that R4 still use trained and experienced > sound technicians and engineers. These are sadly lacking on many TV > shows, and even when one gets assigned to a show there is so much > adherence to Loudness meters they are unable to concentrate on programme > content. I'm forever grateful I'm not involved in making programmes any > more I do wonder if there's a 'Sound Manager' out there who has decreed that mics must be used flat. ;-) Or perhaps modern cheap assignable consoles where getting to the EQ - if there is any - a PITA. Or the monitor speakers in use incredibly bright. Any more guesses welcome. -- Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net Thu Dec 31 09:04:13 2020 From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 15:04:13 -0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <85EC0A3A381C41AF9875FA5B517BFCC9@DESKTOP6GGCRV1> Ah, Yes! I share your affection for Wells, Nick. The rector at our small village had come through Wells Theological College (his calling following on from an early career with De Havilland's) and as a schoolboy I did accompany him to 4 pm sung evensong at the Cathedral. We sat in what were then the 'male only' hallowed seats of the choir aisle backed by the ornately carved masonry. I felt overawed. In the years since, I have re-visited Wells many times, usually to show its glory to friends or family. The most recent foray was with friends from California in June 2017 who were absolutely captivated. I took a series of photos on that occasion including one of the organ pipes which I imagine interested you as much as the console (copy attached). I previously shared some of these (and an anecdote or two) with Geoff but although I was familiar with your Guildford connection I didn't know about Wells figuring so significantly in your earlier years. Best wishes, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:56 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility Ah, Somerset! ?In 1950 I was a kid at Wells Cathedral School (boys and male staff only - with the exception of Matron, and I was never quite sure how female she was!). I wasn?t a cathedral chorister, but we did sing there regularly. I was more interested in the organ, and was allowed in there in the evenings to practice. My best mate, Malcolm Brinson, was an incredibly talented organist, even at that young age. He came from Marlborough, or it might have been Frome - memory on that eludes me at the moment, and he was our school chapel organist. At weekends, he and I, often accompanied by our Physics master, Mr Carter, (that sounds dodgy, but he was one of the few who weren?t!), also an orsganist, used to cycle all over Somerset, going into ancient little village churches that were invariably not kept locked in those days. We would walk in and think: ?Now if I was organist here, where would I hide the key to the organ?? We always found it, and although we often got caught red handed, we never once got told off or thrown out, with the exception of Downside School chapel (Abbey), where we probably should have asked first! Malcolm and Mr Carter were both so much better players than me that I was mostly content to listen to them. I knew even then that my brain was wired for Physics and Electronics, and making things, and that is how it has been ever since, which I regret to some extent. How nice it would have been to be able to do both. I lost touch with Malcolm, but soon after I left school, my sister married an organist/choirmaster who had just been appointed as organist at the New Guildford Cathedral. That?s 60 years ago now! He (and I) moved on to St Paul?s after that, making many records and CD?s there, and then he was appointed to St Albans Cathedral (which turned out to be Lance Andrews? territory!) That story is still evolving........ Even at 86, he still trundles off to his local church (Draycott) and records, edits, adds reverb, etc. His Christmas card to those close to him, was a wonderful selection that he had played, recorded, edited, and put on CD, and done the CD label and inlay card, without any help from anyone else. He and I both use SoundForge and Altiverb for such purposes. His driving force is that as you get older, you must keep your brain and body active or you will just fall apart - you mustn?t just sit around doing nothing. He still gives organ recitals and nips over to the USA to host choral training courses, broadcasts, etc. Being a virtuoso organist is about as physically and mentally demanding as it?s possible to be! Way beyond anything I could ever do. But I do still go for long dog walks in the Countryside and make things, whether I need them or not. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I felt overawed. > > In the years since, I have re-visited Wells many times, usually to show its glory to friends or family. The most recent foray was with friends from California in June 2017 who were absolutely captivated. I took a series of photos on that occasion including one of the organ pipes which I imagine interested you as much as the console (copy attached). I previously shared some of these (and an anecdote or two) with Geoff but although I was familiar with your Guildford connection I didn't know about Wells figuring so significantly in your earlier years. > > Best wishes, > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:56 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility > > Ah, Somerset! > ?In 1950 I was a kid at Wells Cathedral School (boys and male staff only - with the exception of Matron, and I was never quite sure how female she was!). I wasn?t a cathedral chorister, but we did sing there regularly. I was more interested in the organ, and was allowed in there in the evenings to practice. My best mate, Malcolm Brinson, was an incredibly talented organist, even at that young age. He came from Marlborough, or it might have been Frome - memory on that eludes me at the moment, and he was our school chapel organist. At weekends, he and I, often accompanied by our Physics master, Mr Carter, (that sounds dodgy, but he was one of the few who weren?t!), also an orsganist, used to cycle all over Somerset, going into ancient little village churches that were invariably not kept locked in those days. We would walk in and think: ?Now if I was organist here, where would I hide the key to the organ?? We always found it, and although we often got caught red handed, we never once got told off or thrown out, with the exception of Downside School chapel (Abbey), where we probably should have asked first! Malcolm and Mr Carter were both so much better players than me that I was mostly content to listen to them. I knew even then that my brain was wired for Physics and Electronics, and making things, and that is how it has been ever since, which I regret to some extent. How nice it would have been to be able to do both. > > I lost touch with Malcolm, but soon after I left school, my sister married an organist/choirmaster who had just been appointed as organist at the New Guildford Cathedral. That?s 60 years ago now! He (and I) moved on to St Paul?s after that, making many records and CD?s there, and then he was appointed to St Albans Cathedral (which turned out to be Lance Andrews? territory!) That story is still evolving........ > Even at 86, he still trundles off to his local church (Draycott) and records, edits, adds reverb, etc. His Christmas card to those close to him, was a wonderful selection that he had played, recorded, edited, and put on CD, and done the CD label and inlay card, without any help from anyone else. He and I both use SoundForge and Altiverb for such purposes. > His driving force is that as you get older, you must keep your brain and body active or you will just fall apart - you mustn?t just sit around doing nothing. He still gives organ recitals and nips over to the USA to host choral training courses, broadcasts, etc. Being a virtuoso organist is about as physically and mentally demanding as it?s possible to be! Way beyond anything I could ever do. But I do still go for long dog walks in the Countryside and make things, whether I need them or not. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: canterbury Christmas cathedral choir.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 123253 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The rector at our small village had come through Wells Theological College (his calling following on from an early career with De Havilland's) and as a schoolboy I did accompany him to 4 pm sung evensong at the Cathedral. We sat in what were then the 'male only' hallowed seats of the choir aisle backed by the ornately carved masonry. I felt overawed. > > In the years since, I have re-visited Wells many times, usually to show its glory to friends or family. The most recent foray was with friends from California in June 2017 who were absolutely captivated. I took a series of photos on that occasion including one of the organ pipes which I imagine interested you as much as the console (copy attached). I previously shared some of these (and an anecdote or two) with Geoff but although I was familiar with your Guildford connection I didn't know about Wells figuring so significantly in your earlier years. > > Best wishes, > > Dave Newbitt. > > -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 > Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:56 PM > To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility > > Ah, Somerset! > ?In 1950 I was a kid at Wells Cathedral School (boys and male staff only - with the exception of Matron, and I was never quite sure how female she was!). I wasn?t a cathedral chorister, but we did sing there regularly. I was more interested in the organ, and was allowed in there in the evenings to practice. My best mate, Malcolm Brinson, was an incredibly talented organist, even at that young age. He came from Marlborough, or it might have been Frome - memory on that eludes me at the moment, and he was our school chapel organist. At weekends, he and I, often accompanied by our Physics master, Mr Carter, (that sounds dodgy, but he was one of the few who weren?t!), also an orsganist, used to cycle all over Somerset, going into ancient little village churches that were invariably not kept locked in those days. We would walk in and think: ?Now if I was organist here, where would I hide the key to the organ?? We always found it, and although we often got caught red handed, we never once got told off or thrown out, with the exception of Downside School chapel (Abbey), where we probably should have asked first! Malcolm and Mr Carter were both so much better players than me that I was mostly content to listen to them. I knew even then that my brain was wired for Physics and Electronics, and making things, and that is how it has been ever since, which I regret to some extent. How nice it would have been to be able to do both. > > I lost touch with Malcolm, but soon after I left school, my sister married an organist/choirmaster who had just been appointed as organist at the New Guildford Cathedral. That?s 60 years ago now! He (and I) moved on to St Paul?s after that, making many records and CD?s there, and then he was appointed to St Albans Cathedral (which turned out to be Lance Andrews? territory!) That story is still evolving........ > Even at 86, he still trundles off to his local church (Draycott) and records, edits, adds reverb, etc. His Christmas card to those close to him, was a wonderful selection that he had played, recorded, edited, and put on CD, and done the CD label and inlay card, without any help from anyone else. He and I both use SoundForge and Altiverb for such purposes. > His driving force is that as you get older, you must keep your brain and body active or you will just fall apart - you mustn?t just sit around doing nothing. He still gives organ recitals and nips over to the USA to host choral training courses, broadcasts, etc. Being a virtuoso organist is about as physically and mentally demanding as it?s possible to be! Way beyond anything I could ever do. But I do still go for long dog walks in the Countryside and make things, whether I need them or not. > Cheers, > Nick. > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 10:40:48 2020 From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 16:40:48 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] paper camera viewfinder In-Reply-To: <80ee334c-a255-7da5-1e50-cab129c00c8d@gmail.com> References: <24E2D8C2-32B4-4B1B-9763-83799290219C@me.com> <787417cb-2e80-48e4-b452-1fa1456e622b@gmail.com> <000301d6dee2$790a9480$6b1fbd80$@gmx.com> <1c341fbe-e1db-070e-27f4-dc913b0450ad@ntlworld.com> <80ee334c-a255-7da5-1e50-cab129c00c8d@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, If you have made Bernie's EMI 2001 and pedestal, - and now with sooo much time on your hands(!) - why not have a go at building your very own Heron Crane to the same scale: http://tech-ops.co.uk/next/vinten-heron-cutout-card-model-1-12-scale/ I wish you all a better 2021! -- ======= Alec Bray alec.bray.2 at gmail.com Mob: 07789 561 346 Tel: 0118 981 7502 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As the broadcasting organisations were forced to move to adopt 'casual staff'...freelancers from outside, there became a gradual loss of the techniques that had been passed on through years of professional audio practice. This loss of training from the 'vertically integrated Broadcasters' is explored in this PHD Thesis by Tim Heath, which I believe TechOps was a contributor. Here's it is...overly 'academic' (that's a phd of course)...but the truth. https://pure.royalholloway.ac.uk/portal/en/publications/making-tv-sound(e62b7190-d594-4c79-a37b-0a83573a7e99).html In the early 80's, I myself left LWT, where I had been well trained as I progressed through the sound department, even though I had never had the experience of an Evesham type training, and moved into the new freelance world, I still was able to hold up standards in sound work because of my training. Alan Taylor, Nick Ware, Dave Denness and all the others here in this group would have done the same if they moved from the BBC. However there came a point when we started to meet others, who were now in key positions mixing sound, who did not have such a background. That's because these were the days in the 80's and 90's, when the system of training in the broadcast organisations had been replaced by college training courses that were just not up to giving what was required for professional audio. It was probably a failure that the tutors for these courses were usually not from professional audio backgrounds. Too much time was allocated to making you 'good at Pro Tools' and not 'good as achieving a great sound mix' or even achieving the best quality studio or location sound. I first met this face on when I had been running an audio post production suite for a few years and during a 'quiet time' needed to get some income by working as a freelance dubbing mixer. I started temporary work, using Pro Tools at a video house in Shepherd's Bush. I was now in a team working on a variety of 'Cash in the Attic' type of day-time programmes. As we were required to do, I turned out a fast product on very cheap equipment with 8 fader Mackie midi mixers in untreated mix rooms, but mixed it to the usual standards I had always observed. However after a few of my shows had been through the BBC 'quality control' and on to air, I was asked by the ex-video editor boss of the facility why my programmes weren't as loud as the others were producing. So I viewed some of the other programmes, and was appalled to hear their work. Extreme compression was applied to the overall mixes and 'pumping' was evident throughout. Most dialogue sat at around PPM 6 most of the time and it was often poor in quality. When I pointed out to one of the guys, a recent college graduate in his 20's, he suggested that 'day-time TV' like this needed to be heavily compressed as the audience listened on 'little TV's in their kitchens'! For awhile I accepted that I would have to join this 'loudness race'...but gave up that work as soon as I was able to get back to working in my own sound suite. Alas the 'loudness wars' had only just started and when I got to mixing some of the later series of 'Scrapheap Challenge' for C4, I was often pushed by producers to 'make it more exciting'...ie as loud as it would take. Hey, I'd come from the LWT sound department which was often accused of 'pushy sound' on our entertainment shows! There was a difference though between 'making sound exciting', as we had practiced and sound that has no dynamic range at all. The latter is just so tiring to listen to. Eventually the 'loudness wars' did hit the bottom and audience complaints drove the change, so that slowly in the early 2000's limits on levels were being introduced. First it was the Dolby LM100 meter that we used to make our programmes legal for the US broadcasters like Discovery and then UK companies eventually introduced the even better EBU128 standard metering, that has brought everything back to sensible levels at last. Yes there are still differences in levels across the channels and as has been pointed out the 'Presentation announcers' seem to have avoided catching up, but it is now the poor standard of dialogue that stands out in broadcasting. The college kids never did learn what dialogue on a good AKG or Neumann mic or a boom sounds like, and don't attempt to use the EQ to get all those radio mics sounding any good. Video editors often don't know that 'track 1 has a boom' and 'track 2 has a radio-mic' for instance, so they go and mix them both together, as any experienced recordist knows. I tried complaining and got back the remarks like 'It was recorded like that' from the video editor, who most probably is now also doing the sound mix. 'Well do something about it' I would scream back at them! But alas he was never trained in sound, but is a 'shit hot picture editor' and delivers a really slick edit to the production company working on a very low budget these days. I don't know how we recover from this failure in training in good sound now alas, as the production managers don't understand either and they control the money. Perhaps the audience will complain more, but I don't see that happening at present enough. Dave Taylor On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 at 13:50, Dave Plowman via Tech1 wrote: > In article <003501d6df67$3bcc2b30$b3648190$@gmail.com>, > David Denness wrote: > > I think it's down to the fact that R4 still use trained and experienced > > sound technicians and engineers. These are sadly lacking on many TV > > shows, and even when one gets assigned to a show there is so much > > adherence to Loudness meters they are unable to concentrate on programme > > content. I'm forever grateful I'm not involved in making programmes any > > more > > I do wonder if there's a 'Sound Manager' out there who has decreed that > mics must be used flat. ;-) Or perhaps modern cheap assignable consoles > where getting to the EQ - if there is any - a PITA. Or the monitor > speakers in use incredibly bright. Any more guesses welcome. > > -- > Dave Plowman dave at davesound.co.uk London SW 12 > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waresound at msn.com Thu Dec 31 13:47:07 2020 From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 19:47:07 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility Message-ID: ?If this isn?t your thing feel free to delete me, I won?t be offended! ?Nice Wells piccy. When I was there, the organ had no case, just facades of bare pipes both sides (Choir and Nave). The pic below is what you see when you come our front door. A little instrument that I rescued from being bulldozed out with the rubble of a girls? school that was being demolished. It too, had no casework, and was in a very poor unplayable condition. It has all mechanical ?action? and originally had a blower powered by a gas engine. But it has history, so was worth preserving. I can claim about 70% of it as my build and restoration. Only the ten front display pipes were professionally made new for me, replacing badly damaged originals. Most of the internal pipes (four stops of 54 notes each) date from around 1880, and needed quite a lot of repair, some wood, some metal. Not easy, as the metal pipes are 60/40% tin and lead. Try soldering solder sometime! My playing is so mediochre that I only play it when there?s no-one around. But we do have an organist in the family, so I do hear it played well occasionally. Back to Wells: On Sundays we all had to attend Mattins in the cathedral. We would each be handed a threepenny bit beforehand to put in the collection, but most of us had a technique when the collection bag came round, of flicking the rim of the bag with your thumbnail so that to the the sidesman it felt as if you had dropped a coin in the bag. At the same time, you chinked a couple of coins together in your pocket so that he felt the drop and heard the chink. So doing, meant you could buy a Mars bar in the tuck shop! - - - But I?m boring you all - I blame tier 4 isolation.. Cheers, Nick. [cid:CF48176C-8437-4F73-AB6B-78D37F35D085] Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Dec 2020, at 15:04, David Newbitt wrote: ?Ah, Yes! I share your affection for Wells, Nick. The rector at our small village had come through Wells Theological College (his calling following on from an early career with De Havilland's) and as a schoolboy I did accompany him to 4 pm sung evensong at the Cathedral. We sat in what were then the 'male only' hallowed seats of the choir aisle backed by the ornately carved masonry. I felt overawed. In the years since, I have re-visited Wells many times, usually to show its glory to friends or family. The most recent foray was with friends from California in June 2017 who were absolutely captivated. I took a series of photos on that occasion including one of the organ pipes which I imagine interested you as much as the console (copy attached). I previously shared some of these (and an anecdote or two) with Geoff but although I was familiar with your Guildford connection I didn't know about Wells figuring so significantly in your earlier years. Best wishes, Dave Newbitt. -----Original Message----- From: Nick Ware via Tech1 Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:56 PM To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility Ah, Somerset! ?In 1950 I was a kid at Wells Cathedral School (boys and male staff only - with the exception of Matron, and I was never quite sure how female she was!). I wasn?t a cathedral chorister, but we did sing there regularly. I was more interested in the organ, and was allowed in there in the evenings to practice. My best mate, Malcolm Brinson, was an incredibly talented organist, even at that young age. He came from Marlborough, or it might have been Frome - memory on that eludes me at the moment, and he was our school chapel organist. At weekends, he and I, often accompanied by our Physics master, Mr Carter, (that sounds dodgy, but he was one of the few who weren?t!), also an orsganist, used to cycle all over Somerset, going into ancient little village churches that were invariably not kept locked in those days. We would walk in and think: ?Now if I was organist here, where would I hide the key to the organ?? We always found it, and although we often got caught red handed, we never once got told off or thrown out, with the exception of Downside School chapel (Abbey), where we probably should have asked first! Malcolm and Mr Carter were both so much better players than me that I was mostly content to listen to them. I knew even then that my brain was wired for Physics and Electronics, and making things, and that is how it has been ever since, which I regret to some extent. How nice it would have been to be able to do both. I lost touch with Malcolm, but soon after I left school, my sister married an organist/choirmaster who had just been appointed as organist at the New Guildford Cathedral. That?s 60 years ago now! He (and I) moved on to St Paul?s after that, making many records and CD?s there, and then he was appointed to St Albans Cathedral (which turned out to be Lance Andrews? territory!) That story is still evolving........ Even at 86, he still trundles off to his local church (Draycott) and records, edits, adds reverb, etc. His Christmas card to those close to him, was a wonderful selection that he had played, recorded, edited, and put on CD, and done the CD label and inlay card, without any help from anyone else. He and I both use SoundForge and Altiverb for such purposes. His driving force is that as you get older, you must keep your brain and body active or you will just fall apart - you mustn?t just sit around doing nothing. He still gives organ recitals and nips over to the USA to host choral training courses, broadcasts, etc. Being a virtuoso organist is about as physically and mentally demanding as it?s possible to be! Way beyond anything I could ever do. But I do still go for long dog walks in the Countryside and make things, whether I need them or not. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 [X] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 688298 bytes Desc: image0.jpeg URL: From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com Thu Dec 31 14:04:06 2020 From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 20:04:06 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FD40828-C2A7-4584-BBB8-8FBAC6E540FA@btinternet.com> Very inspiring. Play the intro to ?I Was Glad when they said? Parry Albert Sent from my iPhone > On 31 Dec 2020, at 19:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?If this isn?t your thing feel free to delete me, I won?t be offended! > > ?Nice Wells piccy. When I was there, the organ had no case, just facades of bare pipes both sides (Choir and Nave). > The pic below is what you see when you come our front door. A little instrument that I rescued from being bulldozed out with the rubble of a girls? school that was being demolished. It too, had no casework, and was in a very poor unplayable condition. It has all mechanical ?action? and originally had a blower powered by a gas engine. But it has history, so was worth preserving. I can claim about 70% of it as my build and restoration. Only the ten front display pipes were professionally made new for me, replacing badly damaged originals. Most of the internal pipes (four stops of 54 notes each) date from around 1880, and needed quite a lot of repair, some wood, some metal. Not easy, as the metal pipes are 60/40% tin and lead. Try soldering solder sometime! > My playing is so mediochre that I only play it when there?s no-one around. But we do have an organist in the family, so I do hear it played well occasionally. > > Back to Wells: On Sundays we all had to attend Mattins in the cathedral. We would each be handed a threepenny bit beforehand to put in the collection, but most of us had a technique when the collection bag came round, of flicking the rim of the bag with your thumbnail so that to the the sidesman it felt as if you had dropped a coin in the bag. At the same time, you chinked a couple of coins together in your pocket so that he felt the drop and heard the chink. So doing, meant you could buy a Mars bar in the tuck shop! > - - - But I?m boring you all - I blame tier 4 isolation.. > Cheers, > Nick. > > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 31 Dec 2020, at 15:04, David Newbitt wrote: >>> >> ?Ah, Yes! >> I share your affection for Wells, Nick. The rector at our small village had >> come through Wells Theological College (his calling following on from an >> early career with De Havilland's) and as a schoolboy I did accompany him to >> 4 pm sung evensong at the Cathedral. We sat in what were then the 'male >> only' hallowed seats of the choir aisle backed by the ornately carved >> masonry. I felt overawed. >> >> In the years since, I have re-visited Wells many times, usually to show its >> glory to friends or family. The most recent foray was with friends from >> California in June 2017 who were absolutely captivated. I took a series of >> photos on that occasion including one of the organ pipes which I imagine >> interested you as much as the console (copy attached). I previously shared >> some of these (and an anecdote or two) with Geoff but although I was >> familiar with your Guildford connection I didn't know about Wells figuring >> so significantly in your earlier years. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 >> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:56 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility >> >> Ah, Somerset! >> ?In 1950 I was a kid at Wells Cathedral School (boys and male staff only - >> with the exception of Matron, and I was never quite sure how female she >> was!). I wasn?t a cathedral chorister, but we did sing there regularly. I >> was more interested in the organ, and was allowed in there in the evenings >> to practice. My best mate, Malcolm Brinson, was an incredibly talented >> organist, even at that young age. He came from Marlborough, or it might have >> been Frome - memory on that eludes me at the moment, and he was our school >> chapel organist. At weekends, he and I, often accompanied by our Physics >> master, Mr Carter, (that sounds dodgy, but he was one of the few who weren?t!), >> also an orsganist, used to cycle all over Somerset, going into ancient >> little village churches that were invariably not kept locked in those days. >> We would walk in and think: ?Now if I was organist here, where would I hide >> the key to the organ?? We always found it, and although we often got caught >> red handed, we never once got told off or thrown out, with the exception of >> Downside School chapel (Abbey), where we probably should have asked first! >> Malcolm and Mr Carter were both so much better players than me that I was >> mostly content to listen to them. I knew even then that my brain was wired >> for Physics and Electronics, and making things, and that is how it has been >> ever since, which I regret to some extent. How nice it would have been to be >> able to do both. >> >> I lost touch with Malcolm, but soon after I left school, my sister married >> an organist/choirmaster who had just been appointed as organist at the New >> Guildford Cathedral. That?s 60 years ago now! He (and I) moved on to St Paul?s >> after that, making many records and CD?s there, and then he was appointed to >> St Albans Cathedral (which turned out to be Lance Andrews? territory!) That >> story is still evolving........ >> Even at 86, he still trundles off to his local church (Draycott) and >> records, edits, adds reverb, etc. His Christmas card to those close to him, >> was a wonderful selection that he had played, recorded, edited, and put on >> CD, and done the CD label and inlay card, without any help from anyone else. >> He and I both use SoundForge and Altiverb for such purposes. >> His driving force is that as you get older, you must keep your brain and >> body active or you will just fall apart - you mustn?t just sit around doing >> nothing. He still gives organ recitals and nips over to the USA to host >> choral training courses, broadcasts, etc. Being a virtuoso organist is about >> as physically and mentally demanding as it?s possible to be! Way beyond >> anything I could ever do. But I do still go for long dog walks in the >> Countryside and make things, whether I need them or not. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com Thu Dec 31 14:36:39 2020 From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 20:36:39 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What a fine looking instrument Nick and a tribute to your skills in restoring it, even if all the bits aren?t of your making. It must attract a lot of comments from visitors to your home. I fancied a harmonium being a chapel man and having been to a few small places of worship years ago where they had them but I can?t play more than one fingered and it would?ve been a white elephant as they take up a lot of room, are ideal breeding grounds for furniture beetle. I taught myself basic music reading in my early twenties and enjoyed playing simple tunes like How Great Thou Art, There Is A Green Hill and The Old Rugged Cross and found there?s something deeply satisfying about it, even if it?s just on a Melodica. Happy New Year and happy music making, albeit actual or metaphorical, Geoff > On 31 Dec 2020, at 19:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote: > > ? > ?If this isn?t your thing feel free to delete me, I won?t be offended! > > ?Nice Wells piccy. When I was there, the organ had no case, just facades of bare pipes both sides (Choir and Nave). > The pic below is what you see when you come our front door. A little instrument that I rescued from being bulldozed out with the rubble of a girls? school that was being demolished. It too, had no casework, and was in a very poor unplayable condition. It has all mechanical ?action? and originally had a blower powered by a gas engine. But it has history, so was worth preserving. I can claim about 70% of it as my build and restoration. Only the ten front display pipes were professionally made new for me, replacing badly damaged originals. Most of the internal pipes (four stops of 54 notes each) date from around 1880, and needed quite a lot of repair, some wood, some metal. Not easy, as the metal pipes are 60/40% tin and lead. Try soldering solder sometime! > My playing is so mediochre that I only play it when there?s no-one around. But we do have an organist in the family, so I do hear it played well occasionally. > > Back to Wells: On Sundays we all had to attend Mattins in the cathedral. We would each be handed a threepenny bit beforehand to put in the collection, but most of us had a technique when the collection bag came round, of flicking the rim of the bag with your thumbnail so that to the the sidesman it felt as if you had dropped a coin in the bag. At the same time, you chinked a couple of coins together in your pocket so that he felt the drop and heard the chink. So doing, meant you could buy a Mars bar in the tuck shop! > - - - But I?m boring you all - I blame tier 4 isolation.. > Cheers, > Nick. > > > > Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 > >>> On 31 Dec 2020, at 15:04, David Newbitt wrote: >>> >> ?Ah, Yes! >> I share your affection for Wells, Nick. The rector at our small village had >> come through Wells Theological College (his calling following on from an >> early career with De Havilland's) and as a schoolboy I did accompany him to >> 4 pm sung evensong at the Cathedral. We sat in what were then the 'male >> only' hallowed seats of the choir aisle backed by the ornately carved >> masonry. I felt overawed. >> >> In the years since, I have re-visited Wells many times, usually to show its >> glory to friends or family. The most recent foray was with friends from >> California in June 2017 who were absolutely captivated. I took a series of >> photos on that occasion including one of the organ pipes which I imagine >> interested you as much as the console (copy attached). I previously shared >> some of these (and an anecdote or two) with Geoff but although I was >> familiar with your Guildford connection I didn't know about Wells figuring >> so significantly in your earlier years. >> >> Best wishes, >> >> Dave Newbitt. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Nick Ware via Tech1 >> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2020 12:56 PM >> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> Subject: Re: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility >> >> Ah, Somerset! >> ?In 1950 I was a kid at Wells Cathedral School (boys and male staff only - >> with the exception of Matron, and I was never quite sure how female she >> was!). I wasn?t a cathedral chorister, but we did sing there regularly. I >> was more interested in the organ, and was allowed in there in the evenings >> to practice. My best mate, Malcolm Brinson, was an incredibly talented >> organist, even at that young age. He came from Marlborough, or it might have >> been Frome - memory on that eludes me at the moment, and he was our school >> chapel organist. At weekends, he and I, often accompanied by our Physics >> master, Mr Carter, (that sounds dodgy, but he was one of the few who weren?t!), >> also an orsganist, used to cycle all over Somerset, going into ancient >> little village churches that were invariably not kept locked in those days. >> We would walk in and think: ?Now if I was organist here, where would I hide >> the key to the organ?? We always found it, and although we often got caught >> red handed, we never once got told off or thrown out, with the exception of >> Downside School chapel (Abbey), where we probably should have asked first! >> Malcolm and Mr Carter were both so much better players than me that I was >> mostly content to listen to them. I knew even then that my brain was wired >> for Physics and Electronics, and making things, and that is how it has been >> ever since, which I regret to some extent. How nice it would have been to be >> able to do both. >> >> I lost touch with Malcolm, but soon after I left school, my sister married >> an organist/choirmaster who had just been appointed as organist at the New >> Guildford Cathedral. That?s 60 years ago now! He (and I) moved on to St Paul?s >> after that, making many records and CD?s there, and then he was appointed to >> St Albans Cathedral (which turned out to be Lance Andrews? territory!) That >> story is still evolving........ >> Even at 86, he still trundles off to his local church (Draycott) and >> records, edits, adds reverb, etc. His Christmas card to those close to him, >> was a wonderful selection that he had played, recorded, edited, and put on >> CD, and done the CD label and inlay card, without any help from anyone else. >> He and I both use SoundForge and Altiverb for such purposes. >> His driving force is that as you get older, you must keep your brain and >> body active or you will just fall apart - you mustn?t just sit around doing >> nothing. He still gives organ recitals and nips over to the USA to host >> choral training courses, broadcasts, etc. Being a virtuoso organist is about >> as physically and mentally demanding as it?s possible to be! Way beyond >> anything I could ever do. But I do still go for long dog walks in the >> Countryside and make things, whether I need them or not. >> Cheers, >> Nick. >> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 >> >> > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From Waresound at msn.com Thu Dec 31 15:19:33 2020 From: Waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 21:19:33 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] All White and Male - and mental agility In-Reply-To: <978632F722D94F559DD63B100A029DFF@Gigabyte> References: , <978632F722D94F559DD63B100A029DFF@Gigabyte> Message-ID: I haven?t actually seen it do it, but I?m told that the computer control system in the St Paul?s organ is so sophisticated that it can play a ?take? back to you accurately without having to rewind the tape (not that it?s tape anymore of course). I hope they didn?t throw any of those pipes away. There?s a market for them, even if only on Ebay. Cheers, Nick. Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5 On 31 Dec 2020, at 20:21, Mike Jordan wrote: ? Our local church had to get the 1930s organ replaced (pipes original from a church in town) I grabbed pics of the old bits with wooden trunking and hand made wiring. Unfortunately nobody wanted the bits so they went in the skip (after I had a couple of the valves) the pipes were reused and everything now works on a CAT V between the console and the pipes. That replaced the 600odd pair cable which was under the stone floor from console to one set of pipes so could not be replaced. All new belloows in leather The organist can even play it by remote from home! Above one set of pipes in the tower is a whole load of mobile phone racks ? old and new side by side Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Dec 31 17:40:19 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2020 23:40:19 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] B....t Message-ID: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com> Ooops, I fell asleep and left Europe without any sensation of change! I've no doubt that I will feel something over the next few years as the merchants of doom explain how many difficulties there will be.? Anyway, I think that the virus will be more in the front of our minds in the weeks to come. My step-granddaughter's partner works in St. George's Hospital, Tooting, has tested positive for Covid, as he had to work all over Christmas. She now feels unwell and is now in bed feeling rotten!? I wish all of our readers a Happy New Year and hope that many more of us survive to keep this amazing newsgroup going throughout 2021. Cheers, Dave From mibridge at mac.com Thu Dec 31 18:14:36 2020 From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 00:14:36 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] B....t In-Reply-To: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com> References: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <72552F3C-4D64-4FE8-8CCE-C8C6F2AE4771@mac.com> Surely not the same grand-daughter that was hijacked, Dave? I?m sure you could pass on our best wishes for a speedy recovery for her partner and the heartfelt thanks of all of us on this platform that the NHS is there, should we need it. I agree with the surgeon who apparently said that anybody ignoring the social distancing rules has blood on their hands. So here?s to a New Year of good behaviour all round, marking time until we can relax. Mike G > On 31 Dec 2020, at 23:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: > > Ooops, I fell asleep and left Europe without any sensation of change! I've no doubt that I will feel something over the next few years as the merchants of doom explain how many difficulties there will be. Anyway, I think that the virus will be more in the front of our minds in the weeks to come. My step-granddaughter's partner works in St. George's Hospital, Tooting, has tested positive for Covid, as he had to work all over Christmas. She now feels unwell and is now in bed feeling rotten! I wish all of our readers a Happy New Year and hope that many more of us survive to keep this amazing newsgroup going throughout 2021. Cheers, Dave > > > -- > Tech1 mailing list > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk From dave.mdv at btinternet.com Thu Dec 31 18:30:32 2020 From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv) Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 00:30:32 +0000 Subject: [Tech1] B....t In-Reply-To: <72552F3C-4D64-4FE8-8CCE-C8C6F2AE4771@mac.com> References: <28aa3bdb-c656-6418-eae8-0bedafaead72@btinternet.com> <72552F3C-4D64-4FE8-8CCE-C8C6F2AE4771@mac.com> Message-ID: <2516c6eb-0a2c-ccf2-9bce-377caf3c4d7e@btinternet.com> No Mike, this is our step-granddaughter from my daughter's second husband. She is in London doing a Masters Degree at Goldsmiths College if ever it re-starts! Cheers, Dave. PS The hi-jacked one is starting a trial with DPD tomorrow so let's hope it works out better than the last delivery job! On 01/01/2021 00:14, Mike Giles wrote: > Surely not the same grand-daughter that was hijacked, Dave? I?m sure you could pass on our best wishes for a speedy recovery for her partner and the heartfelt thanks of all of us on this platform that the NHS is there, should we need it. I agree with the surgeon who apparently said that anybody ignoring the social distancing rules has blood on their hands. > > So here?s to a New Year of good behaviour all round, marking time until we can relax. > > Mike G > > >> On 31 Dec 2020, at 23:40, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote: >> >> Ooops, I fell asleep and left Europe without any sensation of change! I've no doubt that I will feel something over the next few years as the merchants of doom explain how many difficulties there will be. Anyway, I think that the virus will be more in the front of our minds in the weeks to come. My step-granddaughter's partner works in St. George's Hospital, Tooting, has tested positive for Covid, as he had to work all over Christmas. She now feels unwell and is now in bed feeling rotten! I wish all of our readers a Happy New Year and hope that many more of us survive to keep this amazing newsgroup going throughout 2021. Cheers, Dave >> >> >> -- >> Tech1 mailing list >> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk >> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk