From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 04:31:38 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 10:31:38 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] WKBK Pics 1946 from "Eyes of a Generation" face Book by
 Aaron Bolton
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Thought that this was interesting?.WW2



https://www.flickr.com/photos/63164772 at N05/7710690562/in/photostream/

Western Approaches World War 2 joint control centre Liverpool The projector - installed to show secret footage to Sir Winston Churchill

Combined Operations, which was responsible for control of the Western Approaches, was moved in 1941 from Plymouth to Derby House, part of Exchange Buildings.
 
The move was instigated by the fact that German aircraft and U-boats (submarines) were attacking ships travelling to Britain from the French coast, hence, ships were re-directed around the north of Ireland. Western Approaches Command HQ was therefore moved to Liverpool on 7 February 1941.
 
The complex - which was known locally as the "Citadel" or "Fortress", due to the extensive reinforced-concrete protection given to the basement, which was to become the Operations Room. It was designed to be bomb proof and gas proof, with a 7-foot thick roof and 3-foot thick walls, and 100 rooms covering an area of 50,000 square feet.
 
The Royal Navy, Air Force and Royal Marines worked jointly there to monitor enemy convoys and "wolf packs" of submarines, which threatened to bring Britain to her knees in the early part of the war.
 
The bunker played a big part of the winning of the Battle of the Atlantic, its role being to ensure the successful delivery of supplies and equipment into wartime Britain from the sea. To win the Battle of the Atlantic was paramount for Britain to survive, it carried far more significance than winning the Battle of Britain in the air. The invasion of Europe in 1944, spelling out, the beginning of the end for Germany; could not have been mounted if the German U-Boats had been the victors of the Battle of the Atlantic.
 


> On 19 Jul 2020, at 12:10, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> While I was working at WTMJ-TV, I worked on a project to digitize historic station photos in our archives. Part of this project included digitizing negatives of which we did not have prints.
> 
> One day, I came across a envelope of large format negatives, labeled "WBKB Chicago". At some point (circa 1946 from what I could tell) a party from the Milwaukee Journal, in the process of building WMJT (Milwaukee Journal Television, canceled due to the war, and revived after as WTMJ-TV) took a trip down to Chicago to observe operations at WBKB, and brought one of the Journal newspaper photographers (known only as "BOYD", scribbled in the margins of the negatives) along.
> 
> I think I might have shared a handful of these in the past, but I'm tired of having these sit unseen on my hard drive. It is time to let them out for the world to see!
> 
> One set of comments says that the Station was operated by women during the war but when the war
> ended they were "asked politely to go and do the laundry!
> 
> <109222371_930779354091143_1234301696324765459_n.jpg><109060484_930779994091079_6340031775968337398_o.jpg><109143287_930779990757746_9062913201822159258_o.jpg><107707710_930780050757740_6171832108312597214_o.jpg><108852365_930780067424405_1399100247191721723_o.jpg><109159945_930780057424406_3228887554176794239_o.jpg><107528612_930780197424392_5604409336451406506_o.jpg><109122058_930780167424395_690459729111131744_o.jpg>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 07:06:34 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 12:06:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] WKBK Pics 1946 from "Eyes of a Generation" face Book by
 Aaron Bolton
In-Reply-To: <C4CCEC95-40D4-474A-838E-F1E408C2635A@btinternet.com>
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Fabulous! I love the foresight they had in putting that B&W flat-screen monitor on the side.
Now you know where the term arc(haic) comes from.
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 2 Aug 2020, at 10:32, Albert Barber via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Thought that this was interesting?.WW2

[cid:A6EA530B-71E5-477E-99A9-3F8D5A3D9033]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/63164772 at N05/7710690562/in/photostream/

Western Approaches World War 2 joint control centre Liverpool The projector - installed to show secret footage to Sir Winston Churchill

Combined Operations, which was responsible for control of the Western Approaches, was moved in 1941 from Plymouth to Derby House, part of Exchange Buildings.



The move was instigated by the fact that German aircraft and U-boats (submarines) were attacking ships travelling to Britain from the French coast, hence, ships were re-directed around the north of Ireland. Western Approaches Command HQ was therefore moved to Liverpool on 7 February 1941.



The complex - which was known locally as the "Citadel" or "Fortress", due to the extensive reinforced-concrete protection given to the basement, which was to become the Operations Room. It was designed to be bomb proof and gas proof, with a 7-foot thick roof and 3-foot thick walls, and 100 rooms covering an area of 50,000 square feet.



The Royal Navy, Air Force and Royal Marines worked jointly there to monitor enemy convoys and "wolf packs" of submarines, which threatened to bring Britain to her knees in the early part of the war.



The bunker played a big part of the winning of the Battle of the Atlantic, its role being to ensure the successful delivery of supplies and equipment into wartime Britain from the sea. To win the Battle of the Atlantic was paramount for Britain to survive, it carried far more significance than winning the Battle of Britain in the air. The invasion of Europe in 1944, spelling out, the beginning of the end for Germany; could not have been mounted if the German U-Boats had been the victors of the Battle of the Atlantic.




On 19 Jul 2020, at 12:10, William Nuttall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

While I was working at WTMJ-TV, I worked on a project to digitize historic station photos in our archives. Part of this project included digitizing negatives of which we did not have prints.

One day, I came across a envelope of large format negatives, labeled "WBKB Chicago". At some point (circa 1946 from what I could tell) a party from the Milwaukee Journal, in the process of building WMJT (Milwaukee Journal Television, canceled due to the war, and revived after as WTMJ-TV) took a trip down to Chicago to observe operations at WBKB, and brought one of the Journal newspaper photographers (known only as "BOYD", scribbled in the margins of the negatives) along.

I think I might have shared a handful of these in the past, but I'm tired of having these sit unseen on my hard drive. It is time to let them out for the world to see!

One set of comments says that the Station was operated by women during the war but when the war
ended they were "asked politely to go and do the laundry!

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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 11:26:33 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 17:26:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Suspension
Message-ID: <917d21c1-7adb-00f3-b67b-42b216aab803@btinternet.com>

After watching the amazing ending to today's British Grand Prix I think 
that F1 cars would benefit from having the same suspension as the 
Citroen DS! We were on our way to RAF Cosford to cover indoor athletics 
in Albert Stewart's Citroen, in a torrential downpour, on the M6. At 
'Spaghetti Junction', in the outside lane, a tyre blew! We cowered down 
in the car to let Albert see and wait for a gap in the lorry stream and 
spray before he could pull over onto the hard shoulder safely. The car 
was quite happy running on three wheels! Luckily, another crew member 
passed by and saw us and took us to site while Albert had to sort the 
car out. Cheers, Dave



From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  2 15:09:08 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 21:09:08 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Suspension & F1
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Thanks Pat, I had a small bet with myself as to who would be the first 
to comment on my post and you won and so did I! I bet Nick also got the 
same answer! When I was on the Sports PSC unit at OBs we went round the 
McLaren HQ at Woking which was amazingly like an NHS operating theatre 
in its cleanliness and pristine tool cabinets, if only mine were the 
same! We also went to Estoril several times to interview Ayrton Senna, 
where we saw his proteg? David Coulson. We stayed in a lovely fishing 
village called Cascais where my cameraperson, Trevor Wimlett, had 
recorded 'The World's Strongest Man'. Our hotel? overlooked the coastal 
railway and was full of Saga louts! We were in the bar, as you do, and 
all these louts were coming in and asking for a mug of hot water for 
their Horlicks! I laughed then but now I am one of them! Amazingly, I 
lost a lens cap in my bedroom on the first trip and was allocated the 
same room on our second trip but there was no sign of my lens cap! On 
our first trip I overslept, as you do, and when I looked out of my 
bedroom window the guys were loading up the hire car - breakfast didn't 
happen that day! Also, my electric shaver had somehow got turned on 
during the journey so I spent the whole shoot very stubbly! Cheers, Dave.

On 02/08/2020 19:57, patheigham wrote:
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> If you are an F1 fan , I can mention that I recorded the sound for a 
> seven part series following the McLaren team around (some) of the 
> World. I could send you the series on 3 x DVD?s if you would reply 
> with your postal address, and promise not to send them to YouTube.
>
> Attached is a breakdown of the shoot.
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *dave.mdv via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *02 August 2020 17:27
> *Subject: *[Tech1] Suspension
>
> After watching the amazing ending to today's British Grand Prix I think
>
> that F1 cars would benefit from having the same suspension as the
>
> Citroen DS! We were on our way to RAF Cosford to cover indoor athletics
>
> in Albert Stewart's Citroen, in a torrential downpour, on the M6. At
>
> 'Spaghetti Junction', in the outside lane, a tyre blew! We cowered down
>
> in the car to let Albert see and wait for a gap in the lorry stream and
>
> spray before he could pull over onto the hard shoulder safely. The car
>
> was quite happy running on three wheels! Luckily, another crew member
>
> passed by and saw us and took us to site while Albert had to sort the
>
> car out. Cheers, Dave
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Aug  2 18:24:22 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2020 23:24:22 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Suspension & F1
In-Reply-To: <a3c7b9b9-e1ef-e658-ed33-794f1e982d98@btinternet.com>
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	<5f270c9e.1c69fb81.5c90a.dc70@mx.google.com>,
	<a3c7b9b9-e1ef-e658-ed33-794f1e982d98@btinternet.com>
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?
You?re very naughty Dave, laying down bait like that!
And here?s a random naughty puppy pic for you....
[cid:DD252570-0D05-44C0-94A3-75196E546FBE]
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 2 Aug 2020, at 21:10, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?

Thanks Pat, I had a small bet with myself as to who would be the first to comment on my post and you won and so did I! I bet Nick also got the same answer! When I was on the Sports PSC unit at OBs we went round the McLaren HQ at Woking which was amazingly like an NHS operating theatre in its cleanliness and pristine tool cabinets, if only mine were the same! We also went to Estoril several times to interview Ayrton Senna, where we saw his proteg? David Coulson. We stayed in a lovely fishing village called Cascais where my cameraperson, Trevor Wimlett, had recorded 'The World's Strongest Man'. Our hotel  overlooked the coastal railway and was full of Saga louts! We were in the bar, as you do, and all these louts were coming in and asking for a mug of hot water for their Horlicks! I laughed then but now I am one of them! Amazingly, I lost a lens cap in my bedroom on the first trip and was allocated the same room on our second trip but there was no sign of my lens cap! On our first trip I overslept, as you do, and when I looked out of my bedroom window the guys were loading up the hire car - breakfast didn't happen that day! Also, my electric shaver had somehow got turned on during the journey so I spent the whole shoot very stubbly! Cheers, Dave.

On 02/08/2020 19:57, patheigham wrote:
Hi Dave,
If you are an F1 fan , I can mention that I recorded the sound for a seven part series following the McLaren team around (some) of the World. I could send you the series on 3 x DVD?s if you would reply with your postal address, and promise not to send them to YouTube.
Attached is a breakdown of the shoot.
Best
Pat

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From: dave.mdv via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 02 August 2020 17:27
Subject: [Tech1] Suspension

After watching the amazing ending to today's British Grand Prix I think
that F1 cars would benefit from having the same suspension as the
Citroen DS! We were on our way to RAF Cosford to cover indoor athletics
in Albert Stewart's Citroen, in a torrential downpour, on the M6. At
'Spaghetti Junction', in the outside lane, a tyre blew! We cowered down
in the car to let Albert see and wait for a gap in the lorry stream and
spray before he could pull over onto the hard shoulder safely. The car
was quite happy running on three wheels! Luckily, another crew member
passed by and saw us and took us to site while Albert had to sort the
car out. Cheers, Dave


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From davesound at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  3 04:47:07 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 10:47:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Suspension
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Think you'll find that was because of unequal weight distribution front to
back. F1 cars are mid engined, and don't suffer from that. 


In article <917d21c1-7adb-00f3-b67b-42b216aab803 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> After watching the amazing ending to today's British Grand Prix I think 
> that F1 cars would benefit from having the same suspension as the 
> Citroen DS! We were on our way to RAF Cosford to cover indoor athletics 
> in Albert Stewart's Citroen, in a torrential downpour, on the M6. At 
> 'Spaghetti Junction', in the outside lane, a tyre blew! We cowered down 
> in the car to let Albert see and wait for a gap in the lorry stream and 
> spray before he could pull over onto the hard shoulder safely. The car 
> was quite happy running on three wheels! Luckily, another crew member 
> passed by and saw us and took us to site while Albert had to sort the 
> car out. Cheers, Dave

-- 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Aug  3 06:40:23 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:40:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Suspension
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You are quite right, Dave, although when I recorded ?The Team - A season with McLaren? in 1993, I could have sworn that the engine was at the rear, it seemed so, but on checking the spec for that year, it is described as mid engined.
Pat


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From: Dave Plowman via Tech1
Sent: 03 August 2020 10:56
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk; Phil
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Suspension

Think you'll find that was because of unequal weight distribution front to
back. F1 cars are mid engined, and don't suffer from that. 





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From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Aug  3 08:14:44 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 13:14:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid
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A trawl of the loft for diaries revealed that I joined crew 18 in February 1966 as D.O.1, and worked with Colin on such programmes as:
Dr. Who (it was in R1, so probably Patrick Troughton)
The Trouble Shooters
Suivez La Piste
Marriage Lines
Three Rousing Tinkles
Dick Emery
Bat Out of Hell
All Gas and Gaiters
Juke Box Jury
Plus all the usual in between; 24 Hours, Grandstand, Playschool, Jackanory, etc.

And boy, did those diaries bring back memories, lots of programmes and people I'd totally forgotten all about. Luckily the wife told me I should be doing other jobs, or I'd still be trawling through them. Supposed to be wet tomorrow, so may sneak a furtive glance at some of the rest!

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 10:13:45 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 16:13:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Diaries
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From: techtone via Tech1 
And boy, did those diaries bring back memories, lots of programmes and people I'd totally forgotten all about. Luckily the wife told me I should be doing other jobs, or I'd still be trawling through them. Supposed to be wet tomorrow, so may sneak a furtive glance at some of the rest!


 
Funnily enough, I?m working on a book series where the info in those diaries will be most helpful.

Because nobody had done it before (I can see why now!) I?m compiling a year-by-year day-by-day diary of all the recordings done on BBC premises from (at the moment) 1960 to 1990, although I?m currently concentrating on the 1970s as I?ve got access to more surviving studio log paperwork from that decade.

I?m listing TV Centre ? including the Presentation studios (all except the newsrooms, really), the TV Theatre, Lime Grove, and the regions (where known). The 1960s would also include Riverside.

I?ve attached a couple of example PDF rough pages to show what it will look like ? although it?s still work in progress and more detail will be added, where applicable. 


I?ve managed to get the duty schedules for most weeks of 1973 and 1974 but are still a few blank weeks that need filling.  Any details anyone has on recordings in the following weeks would help fill up the days.  

Sat 24 Feb ? Fri 02 Mar 1973
Sat 01 ? Fri 07 Sep 1973
Sat 22 ? Fri 28 Sep 1973
Sat 03 ? Fri 09 Nov 1973
Sat 29 Dec 1973 ? Fri 04 Jan 1974

Sat 26 Jan ? Fri 01 Feb 1974
Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Mar 1974
Sat 09 ? Fri 15 Mar 1974
Sat 04 ? Fri 10 May 1974
Sat 15 ? Fri 21 Jun 1974
Sat 06 ? Fri 12 Jul 1974
Sat 02 ? Fri 08 Nov 1974
Sat 21 ? Fri 27 Dec 1974

Anything on other years in the 1970s (or any date really), won?t be turned down.

Thanks in advance.

David Brunt




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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug  3 10:17:09 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 16:17:09 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid
In-Reply-To: <dHan2xzOFhBtGv1mZkwSzRRmRQYRWu0AAUMCTBDd3qtkE7obAzdTm7qmdXj5fRnob1Vnl083XSHPTZn7sYNhCqq8ibYS-w-3RGOIvgkRWRI=@protonmail.com>
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Hi Tony, et al,

	I joined Crew 18 when it was formed. Colin was a pleasure to work with.

	? Dr. Who and the Smugglers? was indeed in R1. Sadly no tapes of this series survive.

	One day on Dr. Who there was a shortage of cameramen so Colin came with cap in hand to ask me to do a camera as he knew I?d been intending to follow that career until I discovered sound! 

	I did quite a good job of it methinks and I was the only camera with a zoom lens! However I was refused acting pay ?cos I wasn?t qualified!!
	
	Suivez La Piste, with the delightful Monique Messine! Shouts of ?Merde? just before the recording!

	?Bat out of Hell? also done in Riverside is available on a DVD (Luxin DAN0306), starred John Thaw, Dudley Foster and Sylvia Syms.
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On 3 Aug 2020, at 14:14, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> A trawl of the loft for diaries revealed that I joined crew 18 in February 1966 as D.O.1, and worked with Colin on such programmes as:
> Dr. Who (it was in R1, so probably Patrick Troughton)
> The Trouble Shooters
> Suivez La Piste
> Marriage Lines
> Three Rousing Tinkles
> Dick Emery
> Bat Out of Hell
> All Gas and Gaiters
> Juke Box Jury
> Plus all the usual in between; 24 Hours, Grandstand, Playschool, Jackanory, etc.
> 
> And boy, did those diaries bring back memories, lots of programmes and people I'd totally forgotten all about. Luckily the wife told me I should be doing other jobs, or I'd still be trawling through them. Supposed to be wet tomorrow, so may sneak a furtive glance at some of the rest!
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> 
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From geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 10:37:48 2020
From: geoff.hawkes134 at gmail.com (Geoffrey Hawkes)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 16:37:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Jeff Oliver - any news of?
Message-ID: <E20F3C76-5A68-4E96-8188-ACB0C45C8160@gmail.com>

In my search for information about Colin Reid, I?d like to get in touch with Jeff Oliver who was his no. 2 for a long time. If anyone has contact details for him or any news, please let me know,
Thanks,
Geoff Hawkes

From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Aug  3 15:32:29 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 20:32:29 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Colin Reid
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Indeed, Suivez la Piste was a French language learning programme. I notice when mentioning Monique, you omitted the famous black leather bikini (oo-er missus, merde - vraiment). It was followed a few months later by Vamos a Ver, a Spanish language learning programme, probably with the same production team, but without the cast wishing each other 'Merde' before the recording.

And, of course, Colin and crew were part of the overall crew on 'Our World' which was in studios 1 and 2, although I see I must have been huddled on one of TC2s cameras in a corner of TC1, so perhaps that is me in that photo of the whole crew (how the memory plays tricks on you after such a long time) rehearsal Thursday 22nd - Saturday 24th, TX Sunday 25th June 1997 2000.

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  5 09:46:43 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 15:46:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End Credits
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This (attached) appeared today.
Those of us who despair of end credits being mangled or amputated are not alone!
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Wed Aug  5 10:13:20 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 16:13:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End Credits
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Loved the writer?s reference to the ?artistic merit of a DFS sofa sale?! Seriously though it is hard to disagree with a single word in the piece and we all look on crestfallen while the Philistines continue to bulldoze their way through so much of what really matters. Sadness becomes the norm.

Dave Newbitt.

From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 3:46 PM
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This (attached) appeared today.

Those of us who despair of end credits being mangled or amputated are not alone!

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug  5 12:53:53 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (MR P HEIGHAM)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 18:53:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End Credits
Message-ID: <6lwwolsy7uhujq21r1h52w78.1596650033641@email.android.com>

I recall that the one time DG Tony Hall promised that the end credits would not be meddled with. Don't think that ever came true?I
Pat

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Loved the writer?s reference to the ?artistic merit of a DFS sofa sale?! Seriously though it is hard to disagree with a single word in the piece and we all look on crestfallen while the Philistines continue to bulldoze their way through so much of what really matters. Sadness becomes the norm.

?

Dave Newbitt.

?

From: patheigham via Tech1 

Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 3:46 PM

To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 

Subject: [Tech1] End Credits

?

This (attached) appeared today.

Those of us who despair of end credits being mangled or amputated are not alone!

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Thu Aug  6 05:03:47 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:03:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] End Credits
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I don?t often attend public cinemas these days. The Joint Film Guilds used to present films in the splendid John Barry theatre (Theatre 7) at Pinewood. Excellent picture and sound was assured, since it was the yardstick theatre for checking of the final print.
We always stayed until the last credit rolled, as these were our colleagues who worked hard on the picture, and it was wished to duly do them the honour of looking out for their names.
With the advent of small mini-auditoria, digitally presented films, folks scramble to exit, while the credits are still rolling, very often obscuring the screen or even the projection beam, as the box is scarcely higher than the back row.
With TV, the credits are often speeded up, so you fail to make them out, anyway.
There is an initiative, jointly commenced by the American Guilds of CAS (Cinema Audio Society) and MPSE (Motion Picture Sound Editors) & the UK AMPS (Association of Motion Picture Sound), to persuade producers to give more due to the sound element of a movie by including more audio personnel in the credits.
Regards
Pat
(Happily credited on occasions both for TV and film productions!)

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From: MR P HEIGHAM
Sent: 05 August 2020 18:53
To: David Newbitt; tech1 at tech-ops co. uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] End Credits

I recall that the one time DG Tony Hall promised that the end credits would not be meddled with. Don't think that ever came true?I
Pat


On 5 August 2020, at 16:13, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

Loved the writer?s reference to the ?artistic merit of a DFS sofa sale?! Seriously though it is hard to disagree with a single word in the piece and we all look on crestfallen while the Philistines continue to bulldoze their way through so much of what really matters. Sadness becomes the norm.
?
Dave Newbitt.
?
From: patheigham via Tech1 
Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 3:46 PM
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: [Tech1] End Credits
?
This (attached) appeared today.
Those of us who despair of end credits being mangled or amputated are not alone!
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 03:53:01 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 09:53:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Well, it worked on us
Message-ID: <cd2171f1-be4c-9a62-3ea9-a46580d2620c@gmail.com>

"Rishi's Dinners" encouraged us to eat out for the first time in ages - 
Chello in West Byfleet.? It took 45 minutes for our very good food to 
arrive. The waitress apologised and whispered "This is the busiest we've 
ever been".?? Good for them.

A bit of history that will jog some memories - Chello was once 
Sainsbury's, long ago, one of the ones with the sash front window. It's 
still there and working.....



.....and the floor has been uncovered to reveal the mosaic, like this one.




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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug  7 05:38:33 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:38:33 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Well, it worked on us
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We used to go to West Byfleet at least twice a month, to the much missed Chu Chin Chow, and often went to get takeaways in between. Imagine our disappointment the evening we went there and found it closed down. My daughter-in-law is Chinese, and even she thought them exceptionally good - if a tad Europeanised. Tragedy!
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 7 Aug 2020, at 09:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? "Rishi's Dinners"  encouraged us to eat out for the first time in ages - Chello in West Byfleet.  It took 45 minutes for our very good food to arrive. The waitress apologised and whispered "This is the busiest we've ever been".   Good for them.

A bit of history that will jog some memories - Chello was once Sainsbury's, long ago, one of the ones with the sash front window. It's still there and working.....

[cid:part1.67518ED5.FB04FBA9 at gmail.com]

.....and the floor has been uncovered to reveal the mosaic, like this one.


[cid:part2.F2C57525.834E16C4 at gmail.com]

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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  7 06:17:23 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 12:17:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Well, it worked on us
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We checked the government web site to see which places locally are part of the scheme.  One of the nearest appeared to be the canteen of an engineering company, which wasn?t quite what I had in mind.  I was a bit surprised to see that relatively few of the places we regularly go to are signed up to the scheme.

Neither of us fancy eating indoors and round here there are loads of excellent pubs and restaurants with outdoor dining areas, so I made a few calls to ask if I could book a table in a no smoking part of their outside dining area.   Most do not have a specific no smoking outside dining area and many do not offer reservations for their outside area either. One reply was ? we find that we can rely on the good nature of smokers not to ruin things for others?, so that one got crossed off the list PDQ.

Short version is that on our wedding anniversary, we ended up eating at home again and really enjoyed it, even if the Chancellor didn?t contribute.

Alan Taylor



> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? We used to go to West Byfleet at least twice a month, to the much missed Chu Chin Chow, and often went to get takeaways in between. Imagine our disappointment the evening we went there and found it closed down. My daughter-in-law is Chinese, and even she thought them exceptionally good - if a tad Europeanised. Tragedy!
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 09:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ? "Rishi's Dinners"  encouraged us to eat out for the first time in ages - Chello in West Byfleet.  It took 45 minutes for our very good food to arrive. The waitress apologised and whispered "This is the busiest we've ever been".   Good for them.
>> 
>> A bit of history that will jog some memories - Chello was once Sainsbury's, long ago, one of the ones with the sash front window. It's still there and working.....
>>  
>> <jnkklggoppfhldpp.png>
>> 
>> 
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>> <lmienbcmopaehhoo.png>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 08:33:24 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 14:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Well, it worked on us
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I think restaurant have to be very regulated about indoors, with big 
spaces and staff in gloves and masks. We were in a pub in Chievely 
yesterday, and it was the same as in Chello. We had to book in with a 
contact phone number. No cheap deal, as it doesn't happen on Thursdays. 
On the way home, a different pub for a cup of tea and a pee. Everyone 
outside on separated tables.

B



On 07/08/2020 12:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
> We checked the government web site to see which places locally are 
> part of the scheme. ?One of the nearest appeared to be the canteen of 
> an engineering company, which wasn?t quite what I had in mind. ?I was 
> a bit surprised to see that relatively few of the places we regularly 
> go to are signed up to the scheme.
>
> Neither of us fancy eating indoors and round here there are loads of 
> excellent pubs and restaurants with outdoor dining areas, so I made a 
> few calls to ask if I could book a table in a no smoking part of their 
> outside dining area. ? Most do not have a specific no smoking outside 
> dining area and many do not offer reservations for their outside area 
> either. One reply was ? we find that we can rely on the good nature of 
> smokers not to ruin things for others?, so that one got crossed off 
> the list PDQ.
>
> Short version is that on our wedding anniversary, we ended up eating 
> at home again and really enjoyed it, even if the Chancellor didn?t 
> contribute.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> ? We used to go to West Byfleet at least twice a month, to the much 
>> missed Chu Chin Chow, and often went to get takeaways in between. 
>> Imagine our disappointment the evening we went there and found it 
>> closed down. My daughter-in-law is Chinese, and even she thought them 
>> exceptionally good - if a tad Europeanised. Tragedy!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>>
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 09:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? "Rishi's Dinners"? encouraged us to eat out for the first time in 
>>> ages - Chello in West Byfleet.? It took 45 minutes for our very good 
>>> food to arrive. The waitress apologised and whispered "This is the 
>>> busiest we've ever been".?? Good for them.
>>>
>>> A bit of history that will jog some memories - Chello was once 
>>> Sainsbury's, long ago, one of the ones with the sash front window. 
>>> It's still there and working.....
>>>
>>> <jnkklggoppfhldpp.png>
>>>
>>>
>>> .....and the floor has been uncovered to reveal the mosaic, like 
>>> this one.
>>>
>>>
>>> <lmienbcmopaehhoo.png>
>>>
>>>
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From alanaudio at me.com  Fri Aug  7 09:11:31 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 15:11:31 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Well, it worked on us
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I was tempted to comment about staff not wearing masks in my first comment, but deleted it before posting.

My wife and I might be a bit more fussy than most, but for the foreseeable future, we will be avoiding any restaurant where staff don?t wear masks.  I was discussing this with the owner of the rather nice pub in our village and told him why we aren?t going to his pub at the moment, whereas we usually went there every couple of weeks or so.

He explained that masks are not a legal requirement and that his restaurant totally complies with the law.  I pointed out that the guidelines are vague and written by clueless people.  When paying top dollar for a meal, I expect substantially better than the minimum legal standards for food quality and service and I now expect restaurants to have Covid precautions which are of the highest standard too.

The owner then came up with the old chestnut,?It?s not practical to wear a mask for a ten hour day when working in a hot environment?.  Janet responded to that by showing him a picture of the PPE she has to wear when working in her ward, explaining that she works >12.5 hour shifts in incredibly hot conditions and must wear a mask at all times when in the hospital, even during breaks. He insisted that you can?t compare a restaurant to a hospital but she asked him how the virus knows it?s in a restaurant rather than a hospital?  It will spread within any environment where it finds an opportunity to spread. 

Our German relatives are shocked that any UK food establishment is allowed to be staffed by people without masks because masks have been mandatory there for some time. They shrug their shoulders and say that it?s hardly surprising that Covid continues to wreak so much havoc in England if that?s how lax the rules are.

Alan Taylor




> On 7 Aug 2020, at 14:33, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ? I think restaurant have to be very regulated about indoors, with big spaces and staff in gloves and masks. We were in a pub in Chievely yesterday, and it was the same as in Chello. We had to book in with a contact phone number. No cheap deal, as it doesn't happen on Thursdays. On the way home, a different pub for a cup of tea and a pee. Everyone outside on separated tables.
> 
> B
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/08/2020 12:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 wrote:
>> We checked the government web site to see which places locally are part of the scheme.  One of the nearest appeared to be the canteen of an engineering company, which wasn?t quite what I had in mind.  I was a bit surprised to see that relatively few of the places we regularly go to are signed up to the scheme.
>> 
>> Neither of us fancy eating indoors and round here there are loads of excellent pubs and restaurants with outdoor dining areas, so I made a few calls to ask if I could book a table in a no smoking part of their outside dining area.   Most do not have a specific no smoking outside dining area and many do not offer reservations for their outside area either. One reply was ? we find that we can rely on the good nature of smokers not to ruin things for others?, so that one got crossed off the list PDQ.
>> 
>> Short version is that on our wedding anniversary, we ended up eating at home again and really enjoyed it, even if the Chancellor didn?t contribute.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 11:39, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? We used to go to West Byfleet at least twice a month, to the much missed Chu Chin Chow, and often went to get takeaways in between. Imagine our disappointment the evening we went there and found it closed down. My daughter-in-law is Chinese, and even she thought them exceptionally good - if a tad Europeanised. Tragedy!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> 
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>> 
>>>> On 7 Aug 2020, at 09:53, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? "Rishi's Dinners"  encouraged us to eat out for the first time in ages - Chello in West Byfleet.  It took 45 minutes for our very good food to arrive. The waitress apologised and whispered "This is the busiest we've ever been".   Good for them.
>>>> 
>>>> A bit of history that will jog some memories - Chello was once Sainsbury's, long ago, one of the ones with the sash front window. It's still there and working.....
>>>>  
>>>> <jnkklggoppfhldpp.png>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> .....and the floor has been uncovered to reveal the mosaic, like this one.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> <lmienbcmopaehhoo.png>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> B
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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  8 03:10:41 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 09:10:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
In-Reply-To: <082DF0AD-F1BA-4414-BDAA-E4EA6BC82424@btinternet.com>
References: <082DF0AD-F1BA-4414-BDAA-E4EA6BC82424@btinternet.com>
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There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in 
'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave

On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told me that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in the late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I know but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
> It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
> Regards,
> Geoff


From cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 04:32:30 2020
From: cliffwhite4628 at gmail.com (Cliff White)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 10:32:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
In-Reply-To: <dd6ff808-3594-7762-0946-13ef0a041eed@btinternet.com>
References: <082DF0AD-F1BA-4414-BDAA-E4EA6BC82424@btinternet.com>
	<dd6ff808-3594-7762-0946-13ef0a041eed@btinternet.com>
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Hi Geoff
Actually I joined in October 1958, along with about 50 other
eighteen-year-olds (Junior PTA/PTO Course Number 1), after answering
an advertisement in "Radio Times".
But I don't think Colin was among that group.
Best wishes
Cliff


On 8/8/20, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
> 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
>
> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told me
>> that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in the
>> late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I know
>> but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
>> It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
>> Regards,
>> Geoff
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 05:11:19 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 11:11:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
Message-ID: <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998@gmail.com>

I've been doing low cost programming since the mid nineties. Since I 
started teaching U3A people I'm on to _very_ low cost programming, since 
I'm paying to some extent.

I've just bought a DJI Osmo 3 - 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 - mostly for my own 
enjoyment and experimentation, and it will be really useful when we can 
make our U3A film at Mizen's railway.? I'm not a snob about cameras, and 
my phone is very good in many situations.

Of course, like any camera, the onboard mic, however good, is generally 
in the wrong place, so I bought a ridiculously cheap sound recorder -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
- a modern Nagra substitute - will go nicely with my clapper board.

I bought that one because it has a Line In socket, which is fine, but 
the ridiculously cheap radio mic that I bought a while back only has mic 
level out. So what I'm looking for is a ridiculously cheap mic amp, 
preferably one that's sausage shaped, with a 3.5mm socket on either end, 
a switch on the side, and powered by a watch battery.

Any thoughts please...? I'm happy to build as necessary.

B
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  8 05:40:07 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 11:40:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
In-Reply-To: <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998@gmail.com>
References: <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998@gmail.com>
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In article <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998 at gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I've been doing low cost programming since the mid nineties. Since I
> started teaching U3A people I'm on to _very_ low cost programming, since
> I'm paying to some extent.

> I've just bought a DJI Osmo 3 -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 - mostly for my own
> enjoyment and experimentation, and it will be really useful when we can
> make our U3A film at Mizen's railway.  I'm not a snob about cameras, and
> my phone is very good in many situations.

> Of course, like any camera, the onboard mic, however good, is generally
> in the wrong place, so I bought a ridiculously cheap sound recorder -
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
> - a modern Nagra substitute - will go nicely with my clapper board.

> I bought that one because it has a Line In socket, which is fine, but
> the ridiculously cheap radio mic that I bought a while back only has mic
> level out. So what I'm looking for is a ridiculously cheap mic amp,
> preferably one that's sausage shaped, with a 3.5mm socket on either end,
> a switch on the side, and powered by a watch battery.

> Any thoughts please...? I'm happy to build as necessary.

Sort of thing I'd expect to find on Ebay. As it must be a common need.

Or a Jim MacAlister black box?

Is there a headphone socket on the RM RX?

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12



From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Aug  8 05:48:22 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 11:48:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
In-Reply-To: <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998@gmail.com>
References: <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2B26539-88B3-484D-975E-4FA0A0DFD276@me.com>

Hi Bernie,

first suggestion is to try winding up the recording sensitivity to max and the level of the radio mic also to max and see if they can meet in the middle at a satisfactory level.  I assume that there is no headphone jack on the RX?  Otherwise that would provide your line level output.

If you're an electronics tinkerer, how about modifying the radio mic receiver to provide line out? A small transistor or IC amplifier might be able to take power from the battery and bump up the level enough to do the job. Much would depend on the amount of empty space in the receiver and the battery used. Modern equipment doesn't usually allow much tinkering, but building it in means one less battery to worry about, no extra boxes and no additional leads.

Alternatively if the Osmo 3 is using a smartphone as a camera & recorder, could you feed the radio mic straight into that?  I use a slightly old iPhone SE, which was one of the last iPhones to have a headphone jack.  That headphone jack is also a mic input.  A cheap cable with a 4 pin jack ( last one I bought cost a couple of quid ) can be wired up as a microphone lead ( or even to read SMPTE timecode ) for peanuts. It might need a 10k? resistor wired across it.

The way I feed high quality audio into my iPhone or iPad is via a Rode SC6-L Lightning interface which costs about ?70, offers two microphone input and works will all video and audio apps.  It takes it's power from the phone.  There might be similar devices for Android phones, but I'm not the one to ask about that.

If you want further technical details about any of those ideas, please ask.

All the best

Alan





On 8 Aug 2020, at 8 Aug . 11:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I've been doing low cost programming since the mid nineties. Since I started teaching U3A people I'm on to very low cost programming, since I'm paying to some extent.  
> 
> I've just bought a DJI Osmo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 - mostly for my own enjoyment and experimentation, and it will be really useful when we can make our U3A film at Mizen's railway.  I'm not a snob about cameras, and my phone is very good in many situations.
> 
> Of course, like any camera, the onboard mic, however good, is generally in the wrong place, so I bought a ridiculously cheap sound recorder - 
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
> - a modern Nagra substitute - will go nicely with my clapper board.
> 
> I bought that one because it has a Line In socket, which is fine, but the ridiculously cheap radio mic that I bought a while back only has mic level out. So what I'm looking for is a ridiculously cheap mic amp, preferably one that's sausage shaped, with a 3.5mm socket on either end, a switch on the side, and powered by a watch battery.  
> 
> Any thoughts please...? I'm happy to build as necessary.
> 
> B
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Aug  8 06:02:43 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 12:02:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
In-Reply-To: <dd6ff808-3594-7762-0946-13ef0a041eed@btinternet.com>
References: <082DF0AD-F1BA-4414-BDAA-E4EA6BC82424@btinternet.com>
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The site www.worldradiohistory.com contains an archive of scanned technical magazine dating back for more than a century. Amongst them are copies of Wireless World and Practical Wireless from that period.

The scans are not computer searchable, so you would need to download them and read them in the normal way to look for such an advert.  Some magazines have not been scanned in their entirety, they occasionally truncate the adverts, which is a shame as the adverts are often fascinating.

Alan Taylor




On 8 Aug 2020, at 8 Aug . 09:10, dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told me that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in the late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I know but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
>> It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
>> Regards,
>> Geoff
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Aug  8 06:47:46 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 11:47:46 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
In-Reply-To: <B2B26539-88B3-484D-975E-4FA0A0DFD276@me.com>
References: <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998@gmail.com>,
	<B2B26539-88B3-484D-975E-4FA0A0DFD276@me.com>
Message-ID: <DB6P189MB0455AA9AA699BF95FB08C8E3A7460@DB6P189MB0455.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I don?t think the Osmo will take kindly to dragging a cable around. It?s rare to even persuade a ?pro? cameraman to allow a cable feed to a Steadicam, let alone a weedy little iPhone device!
Mic-to-line level from a watch battery is also probably beyond the laws of physics. (Maybe that was a joke, or Bernie?s wishful thinking?!) I?m wracking my brains for a solution, but short of upgrading the recorder to one that has a mic level in, I don?t know what to suggest. My Olympus LS10 has an external mic input, but it didn?t cost ?20!
On the bright side though, I suspect that what you?re trying to do is the way TV drama will be shot any time now. I accidentally watched a few minutes of a daytime TV soap a couple of days ago, and the camerawork and/or direction was spectacularly wobbly and wonderfully mis-framed.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 8 Aug 2020, at 11:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Hi Bernie,

first suggestion is to try winding up the recording sensitivity to max and the level of the radio mic also to max and see if they can meet in the middle at a satisfactory level.  I assume that there is no headphone jack on the RX?  Otherwise that would provide your line level output.

If you're an electronics tinkerer, how about modifying the radio mic receiver to provide line out? A small transistor or IC amplifier might be able to take power from the battery and bump up the level enough to do the job. Much would depend on the amount of empty space in the receiver and the battery used. Modern equipment doesn't usually allow much tinkering, but building it in means one less battery to worry about, no extra boxes and no additional leads.

Alternatively if the Osmo 3 is using a smartphone as a camera & recorder, could you feed the radio mic straight into that?  I use a slightly old iPhone SE, which was one of the last iPhones to have a headphone jack.  That headphone jack is also a mic input.  A cheap cable with a 4 pin jack ( last one I bought cost a couple of quid ) can be wired up as a microphone lead ( or even to read SMPTE timecode ) for peanuts. It might need a 10k? resistor wired across it.

The way I feed high quality audio into my iPhone or iPad is via a Rode SC6-L Lightning interface which costs about ?70, offers two microphone input and works will all video and audio apps.  It takes it's power from the phone.  There might be similar devices for Android phones, but I'm not the one to ask about that.

If you want further technical details about any of those ideas, please ask.

All the best

Alan





On 8 Aug 2020, at 8 Aug . 11:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

I've been doing low cost programming since the mid nineties. Since I started teaching U3A people I'm on to very low cost programming, since I'm paying to some extent.

I've just bought a DJI Osmo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 - mostly for my own enjoyment and experimentation, and it will be really useful when we can make our U3A film at Mizen's railway.  I'm not a snob about cameras, and my phone is very good in many situations.

Of course, like any camera, the onboard mic, however good, is generally in the wrong place, so I bought a ridiculously cheap sound recorder -
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
- a modern Nagra substitute - will go nicely with my clapper board.

I bought that one because it has a Line In socket, which is fine, but the ridiculously cheap radio mic that I bought a while back only has mic level out. So what I'm looking for is a ridiculously cheap mic amp, preferably one that's sausage shaped, with a 3.5mm socket on either end, a switch on the side, and powered by a watch battery.

Any thoughts please...? I'm happy to build as necessary.

B
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Sat Aug  8 06:52:28 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 12:52:28 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
In-Reply-To: <e9461028-7839-9030-eb31-1cb81c839998@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <000501d66d7a$64609fe0$2d21dfa0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Hi Bernie

 

This refurbished Olympus has a built in three step gain control which caters for external mics. Would be a much cheaper option than trying to find an in-line mic amp IMHO ? 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OLYMPUS-VN-541PC-DICTAPHONE-DIGITAL-VOICE-RECORDER-4GB-PC-USB-RRP-69/163929267416?_trkparms=aid%3D1110009%26algo%3DSPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D228191%26meid%3D0f7c4392769f45efbeeb482b94d37bbc%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D233621600687%26itm%3D163929267416%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101WithBbeV2Demotion%26brand%3DOlympus <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/OLYMPUS-VN-541PC-DICTAPHONE-DIGITAL-VOICE-RECORDER-4GB-PC-USB-RRP-69/163929267416?_trkparms=aid%3D1110009%26algo%3DSPLICE.COMPLISTINGS%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D228191%26meid%3D0f7c4392769f45efbeeb482b94d37bbc%26pid%3D100008%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26mehot%3Dpp%26sd%3D233621600687%26itm%3D163929267416%26pmt%3D1%26noa%3D0%26pg%3D2047675%26algv%3DItemStripV101WithBbeV2Demotion%26brand%3DOlympus&_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219> &_trksid=p2047675.c100008.m2219

 

Rob

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 08 August 2020 11:11
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)

 

I've been doing low cost programming since the mid nineties. Since I started teaching U3A people I'm on to very low cost programming, since I'm paying to some extent.  

I've just bought a DJI Osmo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 - mostly for my own enjoyment and experimentation, and it will be really useful when we can make our U3A film at Mizen's railway.  I'm not a snob about cameras, and my phone is very good in many situations.

Of course, like any camera, the onboard mic, however good, is generally in the wrong place, so I bought a ridiculously cheap sound recorder - 
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT <https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649> &_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
- a modern Nagra substitute - will go nicely with my clapper board.

I bought that one because it has a Line In socket, which is fine, but the ridiculously cheap radio mic that I bought a while back only has mic level out. So what I'm looking for is a ridiculously cheap mic amp, preferably one that's sausage shaped, with a 3.5mm socket on either end, a switch on the side, and powered by a watch battery.  

Any thoughts please...? I'm happy to build as necessary.

B

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  8 07:38:11 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2020 13:38:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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In the old days, I'd likely have pressed a Shure headphone box into
service. Maybe not the very highest of Hi-Fi, but the batteries would
easily do a working day. And likely longer when not driving a Lo-Z load. 


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   Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I don?t think the Osmo will take kindly to dragging a cable around. It?s rare to even persuade a ?pro? cameraman to allow a cable feed to a Steadicam, let alone a weedy little iPhone device!
> Mic-to-line level from a watch battery is also probably beyond the laws of physics. (Maybe that was a joke, or Bernie?s wishful thinking?!) I?m wracking my brains for a solution, but short of upgrading the recorder to one that has a mic level in, I don?t know what to suggest. My Olympus LS10 has an external mic input, but it didn?t cost ?20!
> On the bright side though, I suspect that what you?re trying to do is the way TV drama will be shot any time now. I accidentally watched a few minutes of a daytime TV soap a couple of days ago, and the camerawork and/or direction was spectacularly wobbly and wonderfully mis-framed.
> Cheers,
> Nick.

> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 8 Aug 2020, at 11:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> # Hi Bernie,

> first suggestion is to try winding up the recording sensitivity to max and the level of the radio mic also to max and see if they can meet in the middle at a satisfactory level.  I assume that there is no headphone jack on the RX?  Otherwise that would provide your line level output.

> If you're an electronics tinkerer, how about modifying the radio mic receiver to provide line out? A small transistor or IC amplifier might be able to take power from the battery and bump up the level enough to do the job. Much would depend on the amount of empty space in the receiver and the battery used. Modern equipment doesn't usually allow much tinkering, but building it in means one less battery to worry about, no extra boxes and no additional leads.

> Alternatively if the Osmo 3 is using a smartphone as a camera & recorder, could you feed the radio mic straight into that?  I use a slightly old iPhone SE, which was one of the last iPhones to have a headphone jack.  That headphone jack is also a mic input.  A cheap cable with a 4 pin jack ( last one I bought cost a couple of quid ) can be wired up as a microphone lead ( or even to read SMPTE timecode ) for peanuts. It might need a 10k? resistor wired across it.

> The way I feed high quality audio into my iPhone or iPad is via a Rode SC6-L Lightning interface which costs about ?70, offers two microphone input and works will all video and audio apps.  It takes it's power from the phone.  There might be similar devices for Android phones, but I'm not the one to ask about that.

> If you want further technical details about any of those ideas, please ask.

> All the best

> Alan





> On 8 Aug 2020, at 8 Aug . 11:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

> I've been doing low cost programming since the mid nineties. Since I started teaching U3A people I'm on to very low cost programming, since I'm paying to some extent.

> I've just bought a DJI Osmo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 - mostly for my own enjoyment and experimentation, and it will be really useful when we can make our U3A film at Mizen's railway.  I'm not a snob about cameras, and my phone is very good in many situations.

> Of course, like any camera, the onboard mic, however good, is generally in the wrong place, so I bought a ridiculously cheap sound recorder -
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
> - a modern Nagra substitute - will go nicely with my clapper board.

> I bought that one because it has a Line In socket, which is fine, but the ridiculously cheap radio mic that I bought a while back only has mic level out. So what I'm looking for is a ridiculously cheap mic amp, preferably one that's sausage shaped, with a 3.5mm socket on either end, a switch on the side, and powered by a watch battery.

> Any thoughts please...? I'm happy to build as necessary.

> B
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Aug  8 08:11:40 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 14:11:40 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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The 4 pin jack cables I buy are ridiculously thin and flexible.  When I cut the lead to solder them to another connector, there are only about four hair-like strands of copper in each conductor and the insulation is super-thin too.They are absolute swines to solder and require careful inspection with a magnifier afterwards to check that the correct bits have stuck to where they are wanted without any almost invisible stray bits touching anywhere else.  Whether the Osmo might cope with that could be checked experimentally by plugging in something like a thin headphone lead and seeing how it performs.

There used to be some Bluetooth radio mics which could be received directly by a smartphone.  One was called Hey Mic! and the other was a sort of Go Pro for audio, called something like Instamatic Pro. That last one was quite expensive because it had a built-in recorder as well as a Bluetooth streaming output.  As far as I'm aware, both products have now been discontinued. Typical Bluetooth range doesn't sound promising for a radio mic, but if the person speaking is in front of a camera with a standard lens, they will either be close enough for it to work, or so small in shot that you don't need lip sync.

This might be the most practical approach -  For about a tenner you could buy one of these modules and power it with a 9V PP3 battery, it will provide about 40dB of gain, which out to be about right.. I've used other modules made by those people and they're OK.  You would also need a box, battery connector, on-off switch and sockets, but CPC sell them too if you don't already have them. My inclination would be to build it in a form factor and size suitable to be strapped to the radio mic Rx as a semi-permanat feature of it. For those who enjoy almost-English instruction manuals, they might appreciate how it's intended purpose is "To superpose before amplifier-output transformers whose input sensitivity is too low to be controlled by means of weak signals".  


Alan Taylor



On 8 Aug 2020, at 8 Aug . 12:47, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I don?t think the Osmo will take kindly to dragging a cable around. It?s rare to even persuade a ?pro? cameraman to allow a cable feed to a Steadicam, let alone a weedy little iPhone device!
> Mic-to-line level from a watch battery is also probably beyond the laws of physics. (Maybe that was a joke, or Bernie?s wishful thinking?!) I?m wracking my brains for a solution, but short of upgrading the recorder to one that has a mic level in, I don?t know what to suggest. My Olympus LS10 has an external mic input, but it didn?t cost ?20!
> On the bright side though, I suspect that what you?re trying to do is the way TV drama will be shot any time now. I accidentally watched a few minutes of a daytime TV soap a couple of days ago, and the camerawork and/or direction was spectacularly wobbly and wonderfully mis-framed.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> 
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 8 Aug 2020, at 11:48, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ? Hi Bernie,
>> 
>> first suggestion is to try winding up the recording sensitivity to max and the level of the radio mic also to max and see if they can meet in the middle at a satisfactory level.  I assume that there is no headphone jack on the RX?  Otherwise that would provide your line level output.
>> 
>> If you're an electronics tinkerer, how about modifying the radio mic receiver to provide line out? A small transistor or IC amplifier might be able to take power from the battery and bump up the level enough to do the job. Much would depend on the amount of empty space in the receiver and the battery used. Modern equipment doesn't usually allow much tinkering, but building it in means one less battery to worry about, no extra boxes and no additional leads.
>> 
>> Alternatively if the Osmo 3 is using a smartphone as a camera & recorder, could you feed the radio mic straight into that?  I use a slightly old iPhone SE, which was one of the last iPhones to have a headphone jack.  That headphone jack is also a mic input.  A cheap cable with a 4 pin jack ( last one I bought cost a couple of quid ) can be wired up as a microphone lead ( or even to read SMPTE timecode ) for peanuts. It might need a 10k? resistor wired across it.
>> 
>> The way I feed high quality audio into my iPhone or iPad is via a Rode SC6-L Lightning interface which costs about ?70, offers two microphone input and works will all video and audio apps.  It takes it's power from the phone.  There might be similar devices for Android phones, but I'm not the one to ask about that.
>> 
>> If you want further technical details about any of those ideas, please ask.
>> 
>> All the best
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 Aug 2020, at 8 Aug . 11:11, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've been doing low cost programming since the mid nineties. Since I started teaching U3A people I'm on to very low cost programming, since I'm paying to some extent.  
>>> 
>>> I've just bought a DJI Osmo 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xah7LpZpFY0 - mostly for my own enjoyment and experimentation, and it will be really useful when we can make our U3A film at Mizen's railway.  I'm not a snob about cameras, and my phone is very good in many situations.
>>> 
>>> Of course, like any camera, the onboard mic, however good, is generally in the wrong place, so I bought a ridiculously cheap sound recorder - 
>>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/8GB-Rechargeable-HD-Digital-Sound-Voice-Recorder-Dictaphone-MP3-Player-Record/233621600687?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
>>> - a modern Nagra substitute - will go nicely with my clapper board.
>>> 
>>> I bought that one because it has a Line In socket, which is fine, but the ridiculously cheap radio mic that I bought a while back only has mic level out. So what I'm looking for is a ridiculously cheap mic amp, preferably one that's sausage shaped, with a 3.5mm socket on either end, a switch on the side, and powered by a watch battery.  
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts please...? I'm happy to build as necessary.
>>> 
>>> B
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Aug  8 09:15:42 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 15:15:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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It?s a shame that Maplin passed away ? I found their cables to be pretty good.
The hardest soldering job that I foisted on myself, was to construct a cable to feed the PA?s cassette recorder with the (mono) combined output of the mini-Hirose socket of an SQN mixer. Just linking together of the two channels would have compromised the split feed to the main outputs, so a buffer T-pad had to be constructed. I managed to install three 1/8th watt resistors inside the metal shell of a 3.5mm jack.
It worked well. If the PA didn?t come equipped with a recorder, then I used my Sony Walkman which was twin-track. (different cable for that). I always used to mike the interviewer on the second track, so supplementary questions injected during a reply were perfectly useable if required. Sadly this a practice ignored by cameramen who also ?do? the sound and are unaware of proper procedure.

Regarding employing a booster amp, for whatever reason ? when I worked on ?Puppet on a Chain? in Amsterdam, my production mixer was disappointed with the headphone level from the EMT mixer. I sourced a small amp from the Dutch equivalent of Radio Shack across the road from our hotel, but I was not too happy with the result. Bit of a failure there! 
I must have done something right, as he wanted me on the sound crew for his next picture - ?Fiddler on the Roof?. I brought a lot of BBC training to that, and somehow AMPAS awarded the film an Oscar for sound, although I do believe the judges were influenced by the music element.
Attached is a run-down on ?Fiddler? (Yes, Nick, I?ve probably posted before, but commercials get repeated! And it?s a tribute to BBC training)
Pat

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The 4 pin jack cables I buy are ridiculously thin and flexible. ?When I cut the lead to solder them to another connector, there are only about four hair-like strands of copper in each conductor and the insulation is?super-thin too.They are absolute swines to solder and require careful inspection with a magnifier afterwards to check that the correct bits have stuck to where they are wanted without any almost invisible stray bits?touching anywhere else. ?



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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Aug  8 09:56:48 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 15:56:48 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
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Several times when Wireless World & Practical Wireless magazines have been 
mentioned I've wondered whether anyone remembers Radio Constructor with any 
affection? In format it's size lay between the other two and it was on 
rather glossier paper as I remember. It used to feature particularly good 
articles for home construction projects which, as many will remember, began 
with flat sheets of 18g /16g ali with all cutting and folding shown in 
proper engineering drawing fashion together with the exact size and 
placement of all apertures and drillings. Much nicer when constructed than 
designs utilising the 'universal chassis' which became commonplace utilising 
multiple sizes of sides, tops and bottoms.

>From that magazine I built what proved to be an excellent FM tuner to a 
design by V E Holley (how on earth have I remembered his name?). It utilised 
a tuning head (I think it was a Gorler) obtainable of course from TSL in 
Goldhawk Road. I remember also building a crystal generator and the simplest 
possible form of a medium wave tuner which didn't have the bandwidth 
restriction of superhet radios and which amazed me by it's quality. Hard to 
imagine now that inductance coils were home wound to spec on formers (bought 
or improvised) and the range of different SWG copper wires one accumulated.

Dave Newbitt.

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There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave

On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told me 
> that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in the 
> late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I know 
> but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
> It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
> Regards,
> Geoff

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From mikej at bmanor.co.uk  Sat Aug  8 10:50:23 2020
From: mikej at bmanor.co.uk (Mike Jordan)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 16:50:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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At one time I was regularly mending ?Britney Headset mic? cables for a non-technical neighbour. We used to convert the Sennheiser screw 3.5mm jacks to phono via adaptors as the school kids and local operatic folks when swapping mics would always be brutal in unscrewing/wobbling the jacks and thus bending the contacts inside the Radio mic Tx which was always a pain to open up and bend back. They were told NOT tounscrew the jacks but just pull teh phonosapart (carefully)
As you say, soldering the thin wire was always difficult as the cores are actually just varnished, until a OB person told me to carefully strip the sleeves, twist the cores as best as possible, put onto an old fashioned soluble aspirin (Boots?) then put a freshly tinned soldering iron on when the melting aspirin melted and absorbed the varnish and the wires tinned easily ? bingo!!
Then just solder to the plug/socket and tighten the grip.
He uses mini XLR versions now which are better but still require some repair and fitting on old 3.5mm/phono mics.

Mike

The 4 pin jack cables I buy are ridiculously thin and flexible.  When I cut the lead to solder them to another connector, there are only about four hair-like strands of copper in each conductor and the insulation is super-thin too.They are absolute swines to solder and require careful inspection with a magnifier afterwards to check that the correct bits have stuck to where they are wanted without any almost invisible stray bits touching anywhere else.  Whether the Osmo might cope with that could be checked experimentally by plugging in something like a thin headphone lead and seeing how it performs.

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From relong at btinternet.com  Sat Aug  8 11:05:52 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger Long)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 17:05:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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I have that gimbal mount for my IPhone. XS
It?s brilliant 
I use a Sennheiser Memory mic for PTC
It?s clever and records to its own buffer then syncs with the IPhone
Costs 80 quid 
The mic needs a gag for exteriors but sounds good
It?s a bit chunky but can be hid under a sweater 
The phone video is very steadicam and pleasing to watch
Roger 
Sent from my iPhone

> On 8 Aug 2020, at 16:51, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> At one time I was regularly mending ?Britney Headset mic? cables for a non-technical neighbour. We used to convert the Sennheiser screw 3.5mm jacks to phono via adaptors as the school kids and local operatic folks when swapping mics would always be brutal in unscrewing/wobbling the jacks and thus bending the contacts inside the Radio mic Tx which was always a pain to open up and bend back. They were told NOT tounscrew the jacks but just pull teh phonosapart (carefully)
> As you say, soldering the thin wire was always difficult as the cores are actually just varnished, until a OB person told me to carefully strip the sleeves, twist the cores as best as possible, put onto an old fashioned soluble aspirin (Boots?) then put a freshly tinned soldering iron on when the melting aspirin melted and absorbed the varnish and the wires tinned easily ? bingo!!
> Then just solder to the plug/socket and tighten the grip.
> He uses mini XLR versions now which are better but still require some repair and fitting on old 3.5mm/phono mics.
>  
> Mike
>  
> The 4 pin jack cables I buy are ridiculously thin and flexible.  When I cut the lead to solder them to another connector, there are only about four hair-like strands of copper in each conductor and the insulation is super-thin too.They are absolute swines to solder and require careful inspection with a magnifier afterwards to check that the correct bits have stuck to where they are wanted without any almost invisible stray bits touching anywhere else.  Whether the Osmo might cope with that could be checked experimentally by plugging in something like a thin headphone lead and seeing how it performs.
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Aug  8 11:12:19 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 17:12:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
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?Radio Constructer has also been scanned and is on that same site. They appear to have all editions between 1947 and 1981. They also have many other technical  magazines which I can remember, such as Practical Electronics, Elektor and early computing magazines such as Byte.

Alan Taylor

> On 8 Aug 2020, at 15:57, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?Several times when Wireless World & Practical Wireless magazines have been mentioned I've wondered whether anyone remembers Radio Constructor with any affection? In format it's size lay between the other two and it was on rather glossier paper as I remember. It used to feature particularly good articles for home construction projects which, as many will remember, began with flat sheets of 18g /16g ali with all cutting and folding shown in proper engineering drawing fashion together with the exact size and placement of all apertures and drillings. Much nicer when constructed than designs utilising the 'universal chassis' which became commonplace utilising multiple sizes of sides, tops and bottoms.
> 
> From that magazine I built what proved to be an excellent FM tuner to a design by V E Holley (how on earth have I remembered his name?). It utilised a tuning head (I think it was a Gorler) obtainable of course from TSL in Goldhawk Road. I remember also building a crystal generator and the simplest possible form of a medium wave tuner which didn't have the bandwidth restriction of superhet radios and which amazed me by it's quality. Hard to imagine now that inductance coils were home wound to spec on formers (bought or improvised) and the range of different SWG copper wires one accumulated.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 9:10 AM
> To: Geoffrey Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
> 
> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
> 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
> 
>>>> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told me that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in the late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I know but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
>> It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
>> Regards,
>> Geoff
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sat Aug  8 11:27:33 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 17:27:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
Message-ID: <11C2558E-1727-495F-82E6-AED5C09087D2@me.com>

?
> The mic needs a gag for exteriors


While rehearsing a Seaside Special OB, Les Dawson was about to run through his act and was sitting in the tent watching another act do their tech rehearsal. One of the sound crew was on stage and called to another ?Have you got a wind gag??.

Without a moment?s hesitation, Les piped up ?I went to the doctor and said can you give me something for the wind?  ...... He wrote me a prescription for a kite?.

Alan Taylor

>> On 8 Aug 2020, at 17:06, Roger Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
> ?I have that gimbal mount for my IPhone. XS
> It?s brilliant 
> I use a Sennheiser Memory mic for PTC
> It?s clever and records to its own buffer then syncs with the IPhone
> Costs 80 quid 
> The mic needs a gag for exteriors but sounds good
> It?s a bit chunky but can be hid under a sweater 
> The phone video is very steadicam and pleasing to watch
> Roger 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On 8 Aug 2020, at 16:51, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> ?
>> At one time I was regularly mending ?Britney Headset mic? cables for a non-technical neighbour. We used to convert the Sennheiser screw 3.5mm jacks to phono via adaptors as the school kids and local operatic folks when swapping mics would always be brutal in unscrewing/wobbling the jacks and thus bending the contacts inside the Radio mic Tx which was always a pain to open up and bend back. They were told NOT tounscrew the jacks but just pull teh phonosapart (carefully)
>> As you say, soldering the thin wire was always difficult as the cores are actually just varnished, until a OB person told me to carefully strip the sleeves, twist the cores as best as possible, put onto an old fashioned soluble aspirin (Boots?) then put a freshly tinned soldering iron on when the melting aspirin melted and absorbed the varnish and the wires tinned easily ? bingo!!
>> Then just solder to the plug/socket and tighten the grip.
>> He uses mini XLR versions now which are better but still require some repair and fitting on old 3.5mm/phono mics.
>>  
>> Mike
>>  
>> The 4 pin jack cables I buy are ridiculously thin and flexible.  When I cut the lead to solder them to another connector, there are only about four hair-like strands of copper in each conductor and the insulation is super-thin too.They are absolute swines to solder and require careful inspection with a magnifier afterwards to check that the correct bits have stuck to where they are wanted without any almost invisible stray bits touching anywhere else.  Whether the Osmo might cope with that could be checked experimentally by plugging in something like a thin headphone lead and seeing how it performs.
>> 
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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Aug  8 12:34:47 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 18:34:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
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Thanks Alan,

Found the FM tuner design in June 1963 edition, though my memory played me 
false in one respect. The original design did not employ a pre-built tuning 
head but a circuit built RF stage - why I chose to meddle with things that a 
far more competent constructor had detailed I know not.

What a fabulous resource you have pointed out here!

Dave Newbitt.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Alan Taylor via Tech1
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 5:12 PM
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?

Radio Constructer has also been scanned and is on that same site. They 
appear to have all editions between 1947 and 1981. They also have many other 
technical  magazines which I can remember, such as Practical Electronics, 
Elektor and early computing magazines such as Byte.

Alan Taylor

> On 8 Aug 2020, at 15:57, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> ?Several times when Wireless World & Practical Wireless magazines have 
> been mentioned I've wondered whether anyone remembers Radio Constructor 
> with any affection? In format it's size lay between the other two and it 
> was on rather glossier paper as I remember. It used to feature 
> particularly good articles for home construction projects which, as many 
> will remember, began with flat sheets of 18g /16g ali with all cutting and 
> folding shown in proper engineering drawing fashion together with the 
> exact size and placement of all apertures and drillings. Much nicer when 
> constructed than designs utilising the 'universal chassis' which became 
> commonplace utilising multiple sizes of sides, tops and bottoms.
>
> From that magazine I built what proved to be an excellent FM tuner to a 
> design by V E Holley (how on earth have I remembered his name?). It 
> utilised a tuning head (I think it was a Gorler) obtainable of course from 
> TSL in Goldhawk Road. I remember also building a crystal generator and the 
> simplest possible form of a medium wave tuner which didn't have the 
> bandwidth restriction of superhet radios and which amazed me by it's 
> quality. Hard to imagine now that inductance coils were home wound to spec 
> on formers (bought or improvised) and the range of different SWG copper 
> wires one accumulated.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 9:10 AM
> To: Geoffrey Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
>
> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
> 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
>
>>>> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
>> Hi Dave,
>> In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told 
>> me that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in 
>> the late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I 
>> know but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
>> It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
>> Regards,
>> Geoff
>
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 13:48:03 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 19:48:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
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I remember Practical Wireless ("Camm's Comic") and Wireless World, but
don't think there was a magazine called just Wireless, although there was
the early Wireless Magazine, which may have ceased publication by the
1940s. Wireless Age was published from 1913 to 1925. I have seen BBC job
adverts in Wireless World and also in New Scientist. I joined the BBC in
1960 after replying to an advert in New Scientist in 1959.

There are hundreds of old wireless and TV magazines to read at

https://worldradiohistory.com/index.htm

David Newbitt wondered if anyone remembers Radio Constructor with any
affection. Well, I certainly do. I read it in the 1950s and 60s. Well I
remember Dick and Smithy in their workshop. And I particularly liked
articles by Sir Douglas Hall, which described some more unusual circuits. I
remember he was keen on reflex receivers, using the same few valves to
process the signal in RF then AF form.

I never did build a chassis from aluminium sheet as, ideally, that seemed
to require a sheet metal bender, and I couldn't afford one at the time. But
I was always content to use a ready-made chassis. I remember buying then at
one of the three Smiths electronics shops in Edgware Road. Someone told me
that it was a good place to go because, if you had problems with a Radio
Constructor circuit, the magazine contributor GA French worked at Smiths
and was always willing to discuss circuit problems. But I've since learnt
that there was no such person as GA French. That was one of several names
used by JR Davies ? the magazine's technical editor. He also wrote the Dick
and Smithy column. I don't know whether or not he sometimes worked at
Smiths.

I, too, built a simple TRF medium-wave receiver and, because of its wide
bandwidth, was amazed at its quality. Apart, that is, from an annoying
whistle that interfered with the station I usually listened to. As they
say, "The wider you open the window... "

KW

On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 15:57, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Several times when Wireless World & Practical Wireless magazines have been
> mentioned I've wondered whether anyone remembers Radio Constructor with
> any
> affection? In format it's size lay between the other two and it was on
> rather glossier paper as I remember. It used to feature particularly good
> articles for home construction projects which, as many will remember,
> began
> with flat sheets of 18g /16g ali with all cutting and folding shown in
> proper engineering drawing fashion together with the exact size and
> placement of all apertures and drillings. Much nicer when constructed than
> designs utilising the 'universal chassis' which became commonplace
> utilising
> multiple sizes of sides, tops and bottoms.
>
> From that magazine I built what proved to be an excellent FM tuner to a
> design by V E Holley (how on earth have I remembered his name?). It
> utilised
> a tuning head (I think it was a Gorler) obtainable of course from TSL in
> Goldhawk Road. I remember also building a crystal generator and the
> simplest
> possible form of a medium wave tuner which didn't have the bandwidth
> restriction of superhet radios and which amazed me by it's quality. Hard
> to
> imagine now that inductance coils were home wound to spec on formers
> (bought
> or improvised) and the range of different SWG copper wires one accumulated.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 9:10 AM
> To: Geoffrey Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
>
> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
> 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
>
> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> > In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told
> me
> > that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in
> the
> > late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I
> know
> > but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
> > It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
> > Regards,
> > Geoff
>
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On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 15:57, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Several times when Wireless World & Practical Wireless magazines have been
> mentioned I've wondered whether anyone remembers Radio Constructor with
> any
> affection? In format it's size lay between the other two and it was on
> rather glossier paper as I remember. It used to feature particularly good
> articles for home construction projects which, as many will remember,
> began
> with flat sheets of 18g /16g ali with all cutting and folding shown in
> proper engineering drawing fashion together with the exact size and
> placement of all apertures and drillings. Much nicer when constructed than
> designs utilising the 'universal chassis' which became commonplace
> utilising
> multiple sizes of sides, tops and bottoms.
>
> From that magazine I built what proved to be an excellent FM tuner to a
> design by V E Holley (how on earth have I remembered his name?). It
> utilised
> a tuning head (I think it was a Gorler) obtainable of course from TSL in
> Goldhawk Road. I remember also building a crystal generator and the
> simplest
> possible form of a medium wave tuner which didn't have the bandwidth
> restriction of superhet radios and which amazed me by it's quality. Hard
> to
> imagine now that inductance coils were home wound to spec on formers
> (bought
> or improvised) and the range of different SWG copper wires one accumulated.
>
> Dave Newbitt.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 9:10 AM
> To: Geoffrey Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
>
> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
> 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
>
> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> > In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told
> me
> > that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in
> the
> > late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I
> know
> > but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
> > It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
> > Regards,
> > Geoff
>
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sat Aug  8 16:02:49 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2020 22:02:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
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I responded to an advert in the News Chronicle, if you remember that! My mother noticed it and said ?That should suit you ~ you?re always taking things apart!? This was true, but I couldn?t always put them back together again!

Mike G


> On 8 Aug 2020, at 19:48, Keith Wicks via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I remember Practical Wireless ("Camm's Comic") and Wireless World, but don't think there was a magazine called just Wireless, although there was the early Wireless Magazine, which may have ceased publication by the 1940s. Wireless Age was published from 1913 to 1925. I have seen BBC job adverts in Wireless World and also in New Scientist. I joined the BBC in 1960 after replying to an advert in New Scientist in 1959.
> 
> There are hundreds of old wireless and TV magazines to read at
> 
> https://worldradiohistory.com/index.htm <https://worldradiohistory.com/index.htm>
> 
> David Newbitt wondered if anyone remembers Radio Constructor with any affection. Well, I certainly do. I read it in the 1950s and 60s. Well I remember Dick and Smithy in their workshop. And I particularly liked articles by Sir Douglas Hall, which described some more unusual circuits. I remember he was keen on reflex receivers, using the same few valves to process the signal in RF then AF form. 
> 
> I never did build a chassis from aluminium sheet as, ideally, that seemed to require a sheet metal bender, and I couldn't afford one at the time. But I was always content to use a ready-made chassis. I remember buying then at one of the three Smiths electronics shops in Edgware Road. Someone told me that it was a good place to go because, if you had problems with a Radio Constructor circuit, the magazine contributor GA French worked at Smiths and was always willing to discuss circuit problems. But I've since learnt that there was no such person as GA French. That was one of several names used by JR Davies ? the magazine's technical editor. He also wrote the Dick and Smithy column. I don't know whether or not he sometimes worked at Smiths.
> 
> I, too, built a simple TRF medium-wave receiver and, because of its wide bandwidth, was amazed at its quality. Apart, that is, from an annoying whistle that interfered with the station I usually listened to. As they say, "The wider you open the window... "
> 
> KW
> 
> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 15:57, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Several times when Wireless World & Practical Wireless magazines have been 
> mentioned I've wondered whether anyone remembers Radio Constructor with any 
> affection? In format it's size lay between the other two and it was on 
> rather glossier paper as I remember. It used to feature particularly good 
> articles for home construction projects which, as many will remember, began 
> with flat sheets of 18g /16g ali with all cutting and folding shown in 
> proper engineering drawing fashion together with the exact size and 
> placement of all apertures and drillings. Much nicer when constructed than 
> designs utilising the 'universal chassis' which became commonplace utilising 
> multiple sizes of sides, tops and bottoms.
> 
> From that magazine I built what proved to be an excellent FM tuner to a 
> design by V E Holley (how on earth have I remembered his name?). It utilised 
> a tuning head (I think it was a Gorler) obtainable of course from TSL in 
> Goldhawk Road. I remember also building a crystal generator and the simplest 
> possible form of a medium wave tuner which didn't have the bandwidth 
> restriction of superhet radios and which amazed me by it's quality. Hard to 
> imagine now that inductance coils were home wound to spec on formers (bought 
> or improvised) and the range of different SWG copper wires one accumulated.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 9:10 AM
> To: Geoffrey Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
> 
> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
> 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> > In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told me 
> > that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in the 
> > late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I know 
> > but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
> > It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
> > Regards,
> > Geoff
> 
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> On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 15:57, David Newbitt via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> Several times when Wireless World & Practical Wireless magazines have been 
> mentioned I've wondered whether anyone remembers Radio Constructor with any 
> affection? In format it's size lay between the other two and it was on 
> rather glossier paper as I remember. It used to feature particularly good 
> articles for home construction projects which, as many will remember, began 
> with flat sheets of 18g /16g ali with all cutting and folding shown in 
> proper engineering drawing fashion together with the exact size and 
> placement of all apertures and drillings. Much nicer when constructed than 
> designs utilising the 'universal chassis' which became commonplace utilising 
> multiple sizes of sides, tops and bottoms.
> 
> From that magazine I built what proved to be an excellent FM tuner to a 
> design by V E Holley (how on earth have I remembered his name?). It utilised 
> a tuning head (I think it was a Gorler) obtainable of course from TSL in 
> Goldhawk Road. I remember also building a crystal generator and the simplest 
> possible form of a medium wave tuner which didn't have the bandwidth 
> restriction of superhet radios and which amazed me by it's quality. Hard to 
> imagine now that inductance coils were home wound to spec on formers (bought 
> or improvised) and the range of different SWG copper wires one accumulated.
> 
> Dave Newbitt.
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: dave.mdv via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 9:10 AM
> To: Geoffrey Hawkes ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Wireless World or Wireless magazine?
> 
> There was 'Practical Wireless' but BBC ads. were far more likely in
> 'Wireless World'. Cheers, Dave
> 
> On 07/08/2020 23:36, Geoffrey Hawkes wrote:
> > Hi Dave,
> > In process of gathering information about Colin Reid, his daughter told me 
> > that he heard about jobs at the BBC from an ad in Wireless magazine in the 
> > late fifties. I?m assuming it was Wireless World as that?s the name I know 
> > but was there also a magazine called Wireless?
> > It?s only a detail but I want to get it right and thought you might know,
> > Regards,
> > Geoff
> 
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From keithwicksuk at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 03:54:13 2020
From: keithwicksuk at gmail.com (Keith Wicks)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 09:54:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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A very interesting and potentially useful tip from Mike J. But I wouldn't
be surprised if soluble aspirin suddenly disappears from the shelves, just
like most things I used to buy regularly for years. So I thought I'd try to
find a simple chemical that would do the trick. Various alternatives were
recommended on various forums. Hydrogen peroxide, paint stripper, sulphuric
acid, ordinary aspirin and various other substances had been used with
apparent success. One person recommended just using a very hot soldering
iron. I then decided to find out what the coating on "enamelled" copper
wire is made of.

A search took me to "Magnet wire" on Wikipedia. There, I discovered that
the "enamel" is not actually enamel. Also, there may be several layers, and
these are not necessarily the same chemically. So, what works for one
person's wire may be ineffective elsewhere. Personally, when I next come
across the problem of stripping extremely fine enamelled wire, I'll try
battery acid (sulphuric). That might cope with a few types of varnish.
Failing that, I'll try paint stripper. Of course, both are dangerous and
need to be used with appropriate caution. But perhaps we should all start
panic buying soluble aspirin while it is still available?

KW


On Sat, 8 Aug 2020 at 16:51, Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> At one time I was regularly mending ?Britney Headset mic? cables for a
> non-technical neighbour. We used to convert the Sennheiser screw 3.5mm
> jacks to phono via adaptors as the school kids and local operatic folks
> when swapping mics would always be brutal in unscrewing/wobbling the jacks
> and thus bending the contacts inside the Radio mic Tx which was always a
> pain to open up and bend back. They were told NOT tounscrew the jacks but
> just pull teh phonosapart (carefully)
> As you say, soldering the thin wire was always difficult as the cores are
> actually just varnished, until a OB person told me to carefully strip the
> sleeves, twist the cores as best as possible, put onto an old fashioned
> soluble aspirin (Boots?) then put a freshly tinned soldering iron on when
> the melting aspirin melted and absorbed the varnish and the wires tinned
> easily ? bingo!!
> Then just solder to the plug/socket and tighten the grip.
> He uses mini XLR versions now which are better but still require some
> repair and fitting on old 3.5mm/phono mics.
>
> Mike
>
> The 4 pin jack cables I buy are ridiculously thin and flexible.  When I
> cut the lead to solder them to another connector, there are only about four
> hair-like strands of copper in each conductor and the insulation is
> super-thin too.They are absolute swines to solder and require careful
> inspection with a magnifier afterwards to check that the correct bits have
> stuck to where they are wanted without any almost invisible stray bits
> touching anywhere else.  Whether the Osmo might cope with that could be
> checked experimentally by plugging in something like a thin headphone lead
> and seeing how it performs.
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sun Aug  9 06:42:10 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2020 12:42:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
In-Reply-To: <5594A9614D3942C489776B9282237A58@Gigabyte>
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In article <5594A9614D3942C489776B9282237A58 at Gigabyte>,
   Mike Jordan via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> As you say, soldering the thin wire was always difficult as the cores
> are actually just varnished, until a OB person told me to carefully
> strip the sleeves, twist the cores as best as possible, put onto an old
> fashioned soluble aspirin (Boots?) then put a freshly tinned soldering
> iron on when the melting aspirin melted and absorbed the varnish and the
> wires tinned easily ? bingo!!

Now that's a new one on me - must try it. ;-)

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Aug  9 12:34:26 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 18:34:26 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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> On 9 Aug 2020, at 12:42, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> 
> Now that's a new one on me - must try it. ;-)
> 

As the actress said to the bishop?

? 
Graeme Wall


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 12:39:34 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 18:39:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A question for cutting edge soundmen (or women)
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Hi All

Thanks for all the ideas. Ian Norman has kindly solved the problem for 
me with a redundant piece of sensible kit.? I'm very grateful.

So - I'm very very cheap! I'm not eager? to put proper professional 
capital into this particular extravaganza, as the target audience 
wouldn't appreciate it. Cheap is the order of the day? - a? ?20 sound 
recorder has no level controls, neither does a ?40 radio mic, and 
opening either would likely be a massive error.

It isn't possible to attach a cable, even a very thin one, to a phone 
gimbal as it wouldn't work as a gimbal any more.? But as a gimbal it can 
do amazing things -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYzpg6ng_mQ

I'm planning to walk beside a steam engine with the camera down by the 
valve gear -



And gently track through the forest following it. And other stuff.

If no one had a practical idea, I had thought about using an NE5532 
board, costing around ?2.50, run by a 9v battery to my cheapo sound 
recorder. I have a clapper board person, though Ian tells me that these 
cheap things vary with their sync.? Still, not necessary now, apart from 
the clapper (but not loader) person.

cheers and thanks

B


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 16:11:01 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2020 22:11:01 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Sony microphone .... who had it?
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-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Sony microphone .... who had it?
Date: 	Sun, 9 Aug 2020 19:17:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: 	Gary Critcher <gary_critcher at yahoo.com>
To: 	Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com>



 ?? Hi Bernie,
 ?I wonder if you could post this to the group for me please?


 ?Lads, I can't for the life of me remember who had my Sony Microphone 
off me the other week.
The thing is, I've found a couple of 5m extension cables to go with it & 
was wondering if they would like those too?

 ? Drop me an email if it's of interest.
Many thanks,

 ???????? Gary C
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 11 05:23:56 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:23:56 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
Message-ID: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>

I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when we've had two successive days where we don't need to wear a scarf, but the candelabra in my dining room looks like I feel.



For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at both ends, but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end to start burning.



Alan Taylor
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug 11 05:41:43 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:41:43 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
In-Reply-To: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>
References: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>
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We have an almost identical candelabra to that. I hope our candles bend like yours. It looks fab. Very Hammer House of Horrors!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 11 Aug 2020, at 11:24, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when we've had two successive days where we don't need to wear a scarf, but the candelabra in my dining room looks like I feel.

[cid:BE055FAA-20D6-4B94-9391-3D4DE75D082C at fritz.box]

For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at both ends, but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end to start burning.



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 06:32:10 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 12:32:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
In-Reply-To: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>
References: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA7MLyGb0dkUgKS4uF8yN5C38hjCOSOTq=_8H5=q4xJ1K1piBg@mail.gmail.com>

Soak in a solution of ten parts water to one of Viagra

B

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when we've had
> two successive days where we don't need to wear a scarf, but the candelabra
> in my dining room looks like I feel.
>
>
> For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at both ends,
> but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end to start burning.
>
>
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Tue Aug 11 07:06:49 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:06:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
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	<CAA7MLyGb0dkUgKS4uF8yN5C38hjCOSOTq=_8H5=q4xJ1K1piBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <390F328A-4C42-4FD7-B487-238DD7321C6A@icloud.com>

But what about the candles?
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 11 Aug 2020, at 12:32, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Soak in a solution of ten parts water to one of Viagra
> 
> B
> 
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when we've had two successive days where we don't need to wear a scarf, but the candelabra in my dining room looks like I feel.
> 
> <Hot or not?.jpeg>
> 
> For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at both ends, but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end to start burning.
> 
> 
> 
> Alan Taylor
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 11 07:23:03 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:23:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
In-Reply-To: <CAA7MLyGb0dkUgKS4uF8yN5C38hjCOSOTq=_8H5=q4xJ1K1piBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>
	<CAA7MLyGb0dkUgKS4uF8yN5C38hjCOSOTq=_8H5=q4xJ1K1piBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA3FE7F2-2120-44FA-AC31-52A06690E0E6@me.com>

I tried that. The wax dissolved ..... but my wife is very impressed with my enormous wick.

Alan


On 11 Aug 2020, at 11 Aug . 12:32, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Soak in a solution of ten parts water to one of Viagra
> 
> B
> 
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when we've had two successive days where we don't need to wear a scarf, but the candelabra in my dining room looks like I feel.
> 
> <Hot or not?.jpeg>
> 
> For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at both ends, but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end to start burning.
> 
> 
> 
> Alan Taylor
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug 11 08:17:18 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 13:17:18 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
In-Reply-To: <DA3FE7F2-2120-44FA-AC31-52A06690E0E6@me.com>
References: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>
	<CAA7MLyGb0dkUgKS4uF8yN5C38hjCOSOTq=_8H5=q4xJ1K1piBg@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <DB6P189MB0455D53B2A30B2A4B6AA863BA7450@DB6P189MB0455.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

She?s very lucky then, because you appear to have five enormous wicks!
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 11 Aug 2020, at 13:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I tried that. The wax dissolved ..... but my wife is very impressed with my enormous wick.

Alan


On 11 Aug 2020, at 11 Aug . 12:32, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com<mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Soak in a solution of ten parts water to one of Viagra

B

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when we've had two successive days where we don't need to wear a scarf, but the candelabra in my dining room looks like I feel.

<Hot or not?.jpeg>

For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at both ends, but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end to start burning.



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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 09:51:49 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:51:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
In-Reply-To: <DB6P189MB0455D53B2A30B2A4B6AA863BA7450@DB6P189MB0455.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CDF17CC6-F80E-4F07-AF3A-55076EBD9446@me.com>
	<CAA7MLyGb0dkUgKS4uF8yN5C38hjCOSOTq=_8H5=q4xJ1K1piBg@mail.gmail.com>
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That's cos he used Viagra Connect.? Don't know what the difference is - 
maybe it gives the equivalent of the Lynx effect.

B



On 11/08/2020 14:17, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> She?s very lucky then, because you appear to have five enormous wicks!
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 11 Aug 2020, at 13:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> ? I tried that. The wax dissolved ..... but my wife is very impressed 
>> with my enormous wick.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> On 11 Aug 2020, at 11 Aug . 12:32, Bernard Newnham 
>> <bernie833 at gmail.com <mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Soak?in a solution of ten parts water to one of Viagra
>>>
>>> B
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when
>>>     we've had two successive days where we don't need to wear a
>>>     scarf, but the candelabra in my dining room looks like I feel.
>>>
>>>     <Hot or not?.jpeg>
>>>
>>>     For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at
>>>     both ends, but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end
>>>     to start burning.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Alan Taylor
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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug 11 10:20:36 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 15:20:36 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Heatwave
Message-ID: <DB6P189MB04558E4DF9D5D63A04D6815DA7450@DB6P189MB0455.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?You might not want to admit to knowing this, but did you know they give Viagra to old codgers in care homes to stop them rolling out of bed?
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 11 Aug 2020, at 15:52, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? That's cos he used Viagra Connect.  Don't know what the difference is - maybe it gives the equivalent of the Lynx effect.

B



On 11/08/2020 14:17, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
She?s very lucky then, because you appear to have five enormous wicks!
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 11 Aug 2020, at 13:23, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk><mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? I tried that. The wax dissolved ..... but my wife is very impressed with my enormous wick.

Alan


On 11 Aug 2020, at 11 Aug . 12:32, Bernard Newnham <bernie833 at gmail.com<mailto:bernie833 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Soak in a solution of ten parts water to one of Viagra

B

On Tue, Aug 11, 2020 at 11:24 AM Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
I know it's a British tradition to complain about the heat when we've had two successive days where we don't need to wear a scarf, but the candelabra in my dining room looks like I feel.

<Hot or not?.jpeg>

For many years I regularly was accused of burning the candle at both ends, but looking at these ones, I wouldn't know which end to start burning.



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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 11 19:05:59 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:05:59 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Weather
Message-ID: <c02c04d6-d8c2-cade-47b2-a7c78bf4d1c5@btinternet.com>

Many years ago we stood on Rethymnon beach in Crete and watched watched 
an amazing display of heavenly fireworks as the Gods threw lightning 
around in total silence! It was a bit like that tonight looking North 
from my front door! Cheers, Dave



From waresound at msn.com  Wed Aug 12 05:46:12 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 10:46:12 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] GoPro and Karma grip looking for good home
Message-ID: <DB6P189MB04558518AD5B1577C4123909A7420@DB6P189MB0455.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

In a moment of I?m not sure what, I bought a Karma stabilised gimbal mount a few months ago. Now I can?t see that I?m likely to have a paid use for it, so if anyone wants it I?m willing to throw it in free with one of my GoPros. Both mint as-new condition. Karma and Hero 5 up for grabs for ?300 anyone? Also have various mounts and accessories, even including a dog mount harness thingy that my dog wouldn?t wear! 07802-246088
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

From pat.heigham at amps.net  Wed Aug 12 06:31:42 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (MR P HEIGHAM)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 12:31:42 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GoPro and Karma grip looking for good home
Message-ID: <r5899a5m91un1rsisji3sct6.1597231902280@email.android.com>

Possibly of use to Bernie & the steam train?

Re: dog mount - think you need a police alsatian!
(Shot a training sequence about sending in a dog, with a radio link camera!)I
Pat

On 12 August 2020, at 11:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

In a moment of I?m not sure what, I bought a Karma stabilised gimbal mount a few months ago. Now I can?t see that I?m likely to have a paid use for it, so if anyone wants it I?m willing to throw it in free with one of my GoPros. Both mint as-new condition. Karma and Hero 5 up for grabs for ?300 anyone? Also have various mounts and accessories, even including a dog mount harness thingy that my dog wouldn?t wear! 07802-246088
Cheers,
Nick.

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 08:05:41 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2020 14:05:41 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] GoPro and Karma grip looking for good home
In-Reply-To: <r5899a5m91un1rsisji3sct6.1597231902280@email.android.com>
References: <r5899a5m91un1rsisji3sct6.1597231902280@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <f974f64e-ff96-ac63-3bf4-61be7de78a29@ntlworld.com>

A kind offer, Pat,? but I now have what I need.

B



On 12/08/2020 12:31, MR P HEIGHAM via Tech1 wrote:
> Possibly of use to Bernie & the steam train?
>
> Re: dog mount - think you need a police alsatian!
> (Shot a training sequence about sending in a dog, with a radio link camera!)I
> Pat
>
> On 12 August 2020, at 11:46, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> In a moment of I?m not sure what, I bought a Karma stabilised gimbal mount a few months ago. Now I can?t see that I?m likely to have a paid use for it, so if anyone wants it I?m willing to throw it in free with one of my GoPros. Both mint as-new condition. Karma and Hero 5 up for grabs for ?300 anyone? Also have various mounts and accessories, even including a dog mount harness thingy that my dog wouldn?t wear! 07802-246088
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Sun Aug 16 06:45:47 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Albert Barber)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 12:45:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Transferring Super 8
Message-ID: <31CE57BE-6597-4319-8C30-6B6A0660BEC6@btinternet.com>

Does anyone have a reliable 8mm transfer contact. One of our group does it, I think, and I would like to make sure that it is in the group so to speak.
My father in law has just lost his wife and would like to see them.
Best wishes to all
Albert



From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 07:05:54 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:05:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] A musical offering
Message-ID: <c9f8594a-9fa5-d285-d1d3-faa6442ced92@gmail.com>

Hi all,

This came via a member of my Art Group, who by trade is a music teacher. 
It's large, so linked.? It's fun, so Enjoy!!

I've linked 1 file to this email:
G&S Lockdown.mp4 <https://we.tl/t-SKY7XRxjot>(14.4 
MB)WeTransferhttps://we.tl/t-SKY7XRxjot
Mozilla Thunderbird <https://www.thunderbird.net> makes it easy to share 
large files over email.


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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Sun Aug 16 07:43:58 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:43:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Transferring Super 8
In-Reply-To: <31CE57BE-6597-4319-8C30-6B6A0660BEC6@btinternet.com>
References: <31CE57BE-6597-4319-8C30-6B6A0660BEC6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <001b01d673ca$e9605180$bc20f480$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Hello Albert

I have had good results from Chris Squires at -
https://www.savethosememories.co.uk/home-movies

Regards

Rob 

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Sent: 16 August 2020 12:46
To: Bernard Newnham <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Subject: [Tech1] Transferring Super 8

Does anyone have a reliable 8mm transfer contact. One of our group does it,
I think, and I would like to make sure that it is in the group so to speak.
My father in law has just lost his wife and would like to see them.
Best wishes to all
Albert


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 16 08:52:21 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 14:52:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Transferring Super 8
In-Reply-To: <31CE57BE-6597-4319-8C30-6B6A0660BEC6@btinternet.com>
References: <31CE57BE-6597-4319-8C30-6B6A0660BEC6@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <5f393a14.1c69fb81.34c72.2d17@mx.google.com>

Hi Albert,
I heard of these people:
https://www.images4life.com/
A friend sent some rather dark, i.e. underexposed Std8 to them and was pleased with the results they obtained.
They use a sprocketless transport, and copy to DVD or video files on cards, after cleaning the material.
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Albert Barber via Tech1
Sent: 16 August 2020 12:46
To: Bernard Newnham
Subject: [Tech1] Transferring Super 8

Does anyone have a reliable 8mm transfer contact. One of our group does it, I think, and I would like to make sure that it is in the group so to speak.
My father in law has just lost his wife and would like to see them.
Best wishes to all
Albert


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From richardjblencowe at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 03:37:58 2020
From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:37:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Audio Interface
Message-ID: <001d01d67471$b6164e90$2242ebb0$@com>

Hi Guys,

 

I wonder if any one can help.

 

My church has been doing services on line since March by recording various
items from people's homes, which worked fairly ok.

 

Now that we can use the church building we have begun live streaming using
our analogue sound mixer via a second hand Steinberg MI4 media interface. It
works ok but the latency is quite long and the picture and sound are very
obviously out of sync. Is there a way round this or a better interface with
a short latency which would make the out of syncness less obvious?

 

Thanks in anticipation

 

Dick Blencowe

 



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From ian.norman at armoor.co.uk  Mon Aug 17 03:55:23 2020
From: ian.norman at armoor.co.uk (Ian Norman)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 09:55:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <001d01d67471$b6164e90$2242ebb0$@com>
References: <001d01d67471$b6164e90$2242ebb0$@com>
Message-ID: <f9830c89-9b94-0026-9e0a-8596496d0955@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Richard,

What streaming service are you using?

I'm currently helping out a local church and suggested using Youtube.

We have a Blackmagic Design Atem mini, that accepts up to four video 
sources and audio from a mixer.  It connects via USB to a laptop running 
a 'Go Live' streaming session to youtube.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini

Did want to keep it simple, but to use just a tablet or phone, the 
Youtube channel has to have at least 1,000 subscribers.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 17/08/2020 09:37, Richard Blencowe via Tech1 wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I wonder if any one can help.
> 
> My church has been doing services on line since March by recording 
> various items from people?s homes, which worked fairly ok.
> 
> Now that we can use the church building we have begun live streaming 
> using our analogue sound mixer via a second hand Steinberg MI4 media 
> interface. It works ok but the latency is quite long and the picture and 
> sound are very obviously out of sync. Is there a way round this or a 
> better interface with a short latency which would make the out of 
> syncness less obvious?
> 
> Thanks in anticipation
> 
> Dick Blencowe
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
> 


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 04:44:57 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 10:44:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Audio Interface
In-Reply-To: <001d01d67471$b6164e90$2242ebb0$@com>
References: <001d01d67471$b6164e90$2242ebb0$@com>
Message-ID: <e3a6d02b-95ec-4201-243b-3559e54cbaa0@ntlworld.com>

I don't know what a Steinberg M14 is, but feeding your USB output to a 
laptop running OBS Studio, streaming to YouTube might be the answer.

If your system doesn't output to USB, a Blackmagic Intensity Shuttle will.

B



On 17/08/2020 09:37, Richard Blencowe via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Hi Guys,
>
> I wonder if any one can help.
>
> My church has been doing services on line since March by recording 
> various items from people?s homes, which worked fairly ok.
>
> Now that we can use the church building we have begun live streaming 
> using our analogue sound mixer via a second hand Steinberg MI4 media 
> interface. It works ok but the latency is quite long and the picture 
> and sound are very obviously out of sync. Is there a way round this or 
> a better interface with a short latency which would make the out of 
> syncness less obvious?
>
> Thanks in anticipation
>
> Dick Blencowe
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 11:46:35 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 17:46:35 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] test for Geoff Hawkes only
Message-ID: <ff7efb0b-93bf-325d-f92e-ab99d0e002b9@gmail.com>

Hi Geoff

Does this work?? You should have a docx attachment

B


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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 17:12:51 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2020 23:12:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colin reed
Message-ID: <031feacc-d470-b4da-2c20-282fd42248cd@gmail.com>

Geoff Hawkes has been trying to send the tribute to Colin Reed that he 
wrote for the funeral. It doesn't seem to be transmitting, so I'm having 
a go.

There should be a .docx attachment with this email.

B
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From vernon.dyer at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 17 18:34:54 2020
From: vernon.dyer at btinternet.com (vernon.dyer)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2020 00:34:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Colin reed
Message-ID: <iexqn6nqgp3ts30p50y4a0v0.1597706553326@email.android.com>

Hoping this helps : I received an email with the text of Geoff's tribute at 22:02 on Sat 15 Aug, having had several in which it was either missing or couldn't be opened.?Thanks, Geoff, for a fine account of Colin's life and work. You have hit just the right note in describing him and his seemingly easy manner which nevertheless inspired and encouraged so many of us.Best wishes? ...? Vern?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> Date: 17/08/2020  23:12  (GMT+00:00) To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk Subject: [Tech1] Colin reed 
    Geoff Hawkes has been
      trying to send the tribute to Colin Reed that he wrote for the
      funeral. It doesn't seem to be transmitting, so I'm having a go.
      
      There should be a .docx attachment with this email.
      
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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Wed Aug 19 10:05:10 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 16:05:10 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] CK28 Microphone Capsules
Message-ID: <002501d6763a$22123e50$6636baf0$@soundsuper.co.uk>

Wondering whether there might be someone who has ideally two CK28 microphone
cardioid capsules they would like to part with?

I have a couple of AKG C60 bodies which are sadly headless!

 

Thanks

 

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From waresound at msn.com  Wed Aug 19 15:15:44 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2020 20:15:44 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] CK28 Microphone Capsules
In-Reply-To: <002501d6763a$22123e50$6636baf0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
References: <002501d6763a$22123e50$6636baf0$@soundsuper.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB8P189MB08865FB41DA363BF47319E9CA75D0@DB8P189MB0886.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I can?t help with the CK28 capsules, but my first stereo mic pair after getting rid of 2 4038?s (following a tape partial erasing accident) was a pair of C60?s. I always remember how whenever we recorded our early GUILD records at Guildford Cathedral, the gentlemen of the choir used to chuckle at the mere mention of C60, and I couldn?t figure out why. It was only after a considerable time that I realised that to them, C60 meant 60 crotchets to the minute. Whenever I mentioned C60 they thought I was saying the tempo was wrong! Non musicians might not appreciate the significance of that!
Nowadays, the AC701 valve in the C60 or KM54 is worth more than the mic itself.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 19 Aug 2020, at 16:05, Robert Miles via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Wondering whether there might be someone who has ideally two CK28 microphone cardioid capsules they would like to part with?
I have a couple of AKG C60 bodies which are sadly headless!

Thanks

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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 15:00:02 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2020 21:00:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
Message-ID: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com>

Someone sent me this -

https://youtu.be/1m6WS-xbE8Y

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 03:10:24 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:10:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
In-Reply-To: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com>
References: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2c8683f9-c1dc-fe25-adc4-0ae5cfa2ad83@gmail.com>

Absolutely? fascinating ...

BUT

What about? these models of cameras, peds and cranes?? More to the 
point, where are they now??


Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"? (P. Heigham on Grams)? said that 
he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of 
string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.? Oh, 
what happened to those models....? I want one! (would save having to 
design one in cardboard!)


Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists? each get a 
credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and 
hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!


AND:

in a FILMING studio?? Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a 
telerecording ...

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Aug 21 04:42:11 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:42:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
In-Reply-To: <2c8683f9-c1dc-fe25-adc4-0ae5cfa2ad83@gmail.com>
References: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com>
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Absolutely, Alec.
The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
Best
Pat

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Alec Bray via Tech1
Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film

Absolutely? fascinating ...
BUT
What about? these models of cameras, peds and cranes?? More to the point, where are they now??? 


Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"? (P. Heigham on Grams)? said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.? Oh, what happened to those models....? I want one!? (would save having to design one in cardboard!)

Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists? each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!

AND:

in a FILMING studio?? Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
-- 
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Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Aug 21 04:45:27 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 10:45:27 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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References: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com>
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I suspect the models may have been made specially for the film! 

Incidentally can anyone identify the vision mixer? The face is famiiar but I can?t put a name to her.
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Absolutely, Alec.
> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>  
> Absolutely  fascinating ...
> 
> BUT
> 
> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now??  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
> 
>  
> 
> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
> 
>  
> 
> AND:
> 
> 
> 
> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
>  
> Alec
>  
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 05:20:52 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:20:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
In-Reply-To: <7D87AF93-49C0-4B24-AC72-C461FBFEE4B0@icloud.com>
References: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com><2c8683f9-c1dc-fe25-adc4-0ae5cfa2ad83@gmail.com><5f3f96f5.1c69fb81.bf436.658f@mx.google.com>
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It's covering the production of the Z Cars episode "What Do You Mean - 
Charity?"   The location film is from early February 1968, TC3 on 20 & 21 
February.

There was a revolving door of Vision Mixers around that period, usually men. 
I don't think it's Shirley Cowerd so I assume it's Nola Schiff.

It's the only surviving example of Z Cars in 1968 and also the only 
surviving material showing Joss Ackland in the series. And two years before 
ZC got made in colour.

Christopher Barry did his camera plans at home using the matchboxes and 
string method.  I suspect the model studio was made for the national touring 
exhibition of 1967 showing how the BBC worked.

David



-----Original Message----- 
From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:45 AM
To: patheigham
Cc: Tech ops
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film

I suspect the models may have been made specially for the film!

Incidentally can anyone identify the vision mixer? The face is famiiar but I 
can?t put a name to her.
?
Graeme Wall


> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> 
> wrote:
>
> Absolutely, Alec.
> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t 
> remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound 
> Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to 
> collect them!
> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT 
> to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them 
> to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound 
> Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected 
> quite a few ?campaign medals?!
> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain 
> of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully 
> enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
> Best
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>
> Absolutely  fascinating ...
>
> BUT
>
> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, 
> where are they now??
>
>
>
>
>
> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he 
> had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of 
> string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what 
> happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design 
> one in cardboard!)
>
>
>
> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a 
> credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and 
> hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
>
>
>
> AND:
>
>
>
> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a 
> telerecording ...
>
> -- 
> Best Regards
>
> Alec
>
> Alec Bray
>
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
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> home:   0118 981 7502
>
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Fri Aug 21 05:43:33 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 11:43:33 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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It?s certainly not Shirley, I worked with her a lot as an inlay op.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 21 Aug 2020, at 11:20, David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's covering the production of the Z Cars episode "What Do You Mean - Charity?"   The location film is from early February 1968, TC3 on 20 & 21 February.
> 
> There was a revolving door of Vision Mixers around that period, usually men. I don't think it's Shirley Cowerd so I assume it's Nola Schiff.
> 
> It's the only surviving example of Z Cars in 1968 and also the only surviving material showing Joss Ackland in the series. And two years before ZC got made in colour.
> 
> Christopher Barry did his camera plans at home using the matchboxes and string method.  I suspect the model studio was made for the national touring exhibition of 1967 showing how the BBC worked.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:45 AM
> To: patheigham
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
> 
> I suspect the models may have been made specially for the film!
> 
> Incidentally can anyone identify the vision mixer? The face is famiiar but I can?t put a name to her.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely, Alec.
>> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
>> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
>> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
>> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
>> Best
>> Pat
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
>> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>> 
>> Absolutely  fascinating ...
>> 
>> BUT
>> 
>> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> AND:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:    07789 561 346
>> home:   0118 981 7502
>> 
>> 
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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Aug 21 06:59:52 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:59:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film 1968
References: <5b69797f-22c4-432b-547f-aacd86d1c445.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <5b69797f-22c4-432b-547f-aacd86d1c445@sky.com>

When I was with TV training, I showed this film (complete as the clip is 
only half of it) many times to various courses. The print the department 
had was in much better condition than that one - which has many 
scratches and some film damage which has caused frames to be removed.

As already pointed out, the Director is Chris Barry, who much later, 
came to TVT to assist in running courses (as did Barry Letts). I don't 
know who the VM is nor the Producer's Assistant.

The producer was Ian Curtis (who also came to TVT a few years later as 
Admin Officer). I remember him saying about the filming - four film 
cameras all locked to studio syncs to avoid frame bars. Apparently, 
directing four film cameras in a TV studio gave him a bit of a headache!

The Shaun Sutton shots at the beginning appear to have been shot in the 
Woodstock Grove Overseas training studio, going by the camera peds 
(spring loaded variety). Over the years, OS training declined and the 
studio was used for domestic training. The studio went colour in 1975.

Can't help with the models!

Dave Buckley

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From david.jasma at sky.com  Fri Aug 21 06:59:52 2020
From: david.jasma at sky.com (Dave Buckley)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:59:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film 1968
References: <5b69797f-22c4-432b-547f-aacd86d1c445.ref@sky.com>
Message-ID: <5b69797f-22c4-432b-547f-aacd86d1c445@sky.com>

When I was with TV training, I showed this film (complete as the clip is 
only half of it) many times to various courses. The print the department 
had was in much better condition than that one - which has many 
scratches and some film damage which has caused frames to be removed.

As already pointed out, the Director is Chris Barry, who much later, 
came to TVT to assist in running courses (as did Barry Letts). I don't 
know who the VM is nor the Producer's Assistant.

The producer was Ian Curtis (who also came to TVT a few years later as 
Admin Officer). I remember him saying about the filming - four film 
cameras all locked to studio syncs to avoid frame bars. Apparently, 
directing four film cameras in a TV studio gave him a bit of a headache!

The Shaun Sutton shots at the beginning appear to have been shot in the 
Woodstock Grove Overseas training studio, going by the camera peds 
(spring loaded variety). Over the years, OS training declined and the 
studio was used for domestic training. The studio went colour in 1975.

Can't help with the models!

Dave Buckley

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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Fri Aug 21 07:19:30 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 12:19:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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What a fantastic film! - especially the toy cameras and cranes.
Agreed. The Vision Mixer is not Shirley, nor Nola, who, in my memory, had short fair hair. In those days the BBC's internal attachment system was flourishing, and a large number of Vision Mixers only appeared on 6-month trying attachments.
Loved working with Chris Barry, always calm and well organised. In later life, I'm told I looked like him, but not at the same time. In 1968 I still had hair.
Does anyone recognise the one cameraman who is seen clearly? My guess is that it could be Stuart Lindley.
luv, Rog.


    On Friday, 21 August 2020, 11:44:00 BST, Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:  
 
 It?s certainly not Shirley, I worked with her a lot as an inlay op.

? 
Graeme Wall


> On 21 Aug 2020, at 11:20, David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It's covering the production of the Z Cars episode "What Do You Mean - Charity?"? The location film is from early February 1968, TC3 on 20 & 21 February.
> 
> There was a revolving door of Vision Mixers around that period, usually men. I don't think it's Shirley Cowerd so I assume it's Nola Schiff.
> 
> It's the only surviving example of Z Cars in 1968 and also the only surviving material showing Joss Ackland in the series. And two years before ZC got made in colour.
> 
> Christopher Barry did his camera plans at home using the matchboxes and string method.? I suspect the model studio was made for the national touring exhibition of 1967 showing how the BBC worked.
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:45 AM
> To: patheigham
> Cc: Tech ops
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
> 
> I suspect the models may have been made specially for the film!
> 
> Incidentally can anyone identify the vision mixer? The face is famiiar but I can?t put a name to her.
> ?
> Graeme Wall
> 
> 
>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Absolutely, Alec.
>> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
>> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
>> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
>> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
>> Best
>> Pat
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>> 
>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
>> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>> 
>> Absolutely? fascinating ...
>> 
>> BUT
>> 
>> What about? these models of cameras, peds and cranes?? More to the point, where are they now??
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"? (P. Heigham on Grams)? said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.? Oh, what happened to those models....? I want one!? (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists? each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> AND:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> in a FILMING studio?? Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> Alec
>> 
>> Alec Bray
>> 
>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>> mob:? ? 07789 561 346
>> home:? 0118 981 7502
>> 
>> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 12:15:04 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:15:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] V Mix
Message-ID: <d63cfb41-301c-ba96-ef5e-ba76b028e4d4@gmail.com>

A local church has gone high tech during lockdown, streaming ever more 
exotic services. Apparently they do 40 hours of editing each week, and 
looking at their stuff I'm not surprised.? I wonder if they do 
overnights with takeaway pizza?

Now they are looking to get even more complex, with a live stream with 
live vicar and a different internal feed. They're looking for a little 
assistance from someone who has done live television before. Currently, 
that would be me.

They've just bought VMix, which will do everything but stir the coffee. 
I had a look the other day, and it looks like it can be configured so 
that non tech geniuses can run it, and after a lot of years training on 
similar systems I'm happy to do my volunteer bit. My U3A group normally 
meet in their church hall, so it might be a chance at some point? to 
give them live show practice on a weekday.

So - is anyone familiar with V Mix? What gotchas should I look out for?

B
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From paul at pgtmedia.co.uk  Fri Aug 21 13:00:04 2020
From: paul at pgtmedia.co.uk (Paul Thackray)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 19:00:04 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] V Mix
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug 21 13:45:13 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 18:45:13 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] V Mix
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What?s a hard Ware panel?
Nick ??x

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 21 Aug 2020, at 19:00, Paul Thackray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
Hi Bernie,
VMix is the software,you need a powerful pc if you are going to run it hard. Although it does everything ,you may be limited by only having 2 hands.

I have only supported remotely use by others so far.

BT Sport are using a pair to do graphics replays sound and vision (but not the streaming ) they have separate hard Ware panels.

They are also using machines to do a fan wall (much like several skype s where the contributors do not need an app)

I used it last night just for streaming a video.

The YouTube help videos are very good and the best starting point.

Paul



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From: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Sent: 21 August 2020 18:15
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Reply to: bernie833 at gmail.com
Subject: [Tech1] V Mix

A local church has gone high tech during lockdown, streaming ever more exotic services.  Apparently they do 40 hours of editing each week, and looking at their stuff I'm not surprised.  I wonder if they do overnights with takeaway pizza?

Now they are looking to get even more complex, with a live stream with live vicar and a different internal feed. They're looking for a little assistance from someone who has done live television before. Currently, that would be me.

They've just bought VMix, which will do everything but stir the coffee. I had a look the other day, and it looks like it can be configured so that non tech geniuses can run it, and after a lot of years training on similar systems I'm happy to do my volunteer bit. My U3A group normally meet in their church hall, so it might be a chance at some point  to give them live show practice on a weekday.

So - is anyone familiar with V Mix? What gotchas should I look out for?

B
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From mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 14:23:47 2020
From: mike.jdg.minchin at gmail.com (Mike)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2020 20:23:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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I'm afraid the name Nola Schiff doesn't ring a bell with me.? It is 
certainly not Shirley Coward (now in retirement in Weymouth?). The 
Director's assistant was Carole Bissett.

Best wishes, Mike Minchin

On 21/08/2020 11:43, Graeme Wall via Tech1 wrote:
> It?s certainly not Shirley, I worked with her a lot as an inlay op.
>
> ?
> Graeme Wall
>
>
>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 11:20, David Brunt <davidvbrunt at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's covering the production of the Z Cars episode "What Do You Mean - Charity?"   The location film is from early February 1968, TC3 on 20 & 21 February.
>>
>> There was a revolving door of Vision Mixers around that period, usually men. I don't think it's Shirley Cowerd so I assume it's Nola Schiff.
>>
>> It's the only surviving example of Z Cars in 1968 and also the only surviving material showing Joss Ackland in the series. And two years before ZC got made in colour.
>>
>> Christopher Barry did his camera plans at home using the matchboxes and string method.  I suspect the model studio was made for the national touring exhibition of 1967 showing how the BBC worked.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Graeme Wall via Tech1
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2020 10:45 AM
>> To: patheigham
>> Cc: Tech ops
>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>>
>> I suspect the models may have been made specially for the film!
>>
>> Incidentally can anyone identify the vision mixer? The face is famiiar but I can?t put a name to her.
>> ?
>> Graeme Wall
>>
>>
>>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Absolutely, Alec.
>>> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
>>> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
>>> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
>>> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
>>> Best
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
>>> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>>>
>>> Absolutely  fascinating ...
>>>
>>> BUT
>>>
>>> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AND:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>> Alec
>>>
>>> Alec Bray
>>>
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>>> mob:    07789 561 346
>>> home:   0118 981 7502
>>>
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 22 03:49:53 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 09:49:53 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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HI Pat,
	Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965.
Barry.



On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> Absolutely, Alec.
> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
> Best
> Pat
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>  
> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>  
> Absolutely  fascinating ...
> 
> BUT
> 
> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now?? 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
> 
>  
> 
> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
> 
>  
> 
> AND:
> 
> 
> 
> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
> 
> -- 
> Best Regards
>  
> Alec
>  
> Alec Bray
>  
> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
> mob:    07789 561 346
> home:   0118 981 7502
>  
> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 22 05:09:11 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:09:11 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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I remember them coming in rather later than that? Except for perhaps the
odd prog? Anyone give chapter and verse? 

In article <0F3D9E03-7ADA-4266-A21A-33CE2734678B at btinternet.com>,
   Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> HI Pat, 	Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were
> certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965. Barry.

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 22 05:40:19 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:40:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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Hi Dave,
	Yes, you may be right about them being selective, I remember though Yogi getting a credit for an opera I worked on in 1965 directed by Paddy Foy.
Barry.



On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:09, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I remember them coming in rather later than that? Except for perhaps the
> odd prog? Anyone give chapter and verse? 
> 
> In article <0F3D9E03-7ADA-4266-A21A-33CE2734678B at btinternet.com>,
>   Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> HI Pat, 	Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were
>> certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965. Barry.
> 
> -- 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 22 06:12:25 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:12:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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Hi Garth,
	Just looked at the credits on ?The Stone Tape? on which I was a boom op in1972 with the delightful Jane Asher, directed by the not so delightful Peter Sasdy. 
Credits for Sound Supervisor (Tony Millier) but not the senior cameraman. VT editor Geoff Higgs credited as well.
Barry.



On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:44, Garth Tucker <tuckergarth at me.com> wrote:

> Hi, with regard to credits I was made Camera Supervisor circa 1982 and I received credits from that time on. I believe more senior No. 1s would have received them before that.
> 
> Garth
> 
>> On 22 Aug 2020, at 09:49, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> HI Pat,
>> 	Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965.
>> Barry.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Absolutely, Alec.
>>> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
>>> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
>>> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
>>> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
>>> Best
>>> Pat
>>>  
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>  
>>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
>>> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>>>  
>>> Absolutely  fascinating ...
>>> 
>>> BUT
>>> 
>>> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now?? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> AND:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Best Regards
>>>  
>>> Alec
>>>  
>>> Alec Bray
>>>  
>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>> mob:    07789 561 346
>>> home:   0118 981 7502
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 06:40:58 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 12:40:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
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As far as my understanding goes:

If it was a drama serial or series the Studio Lighting & Sound, Make-up and Costume Supervisors would only be credited on the titles of the final episode of the run (sometimes also the first but this wasn?t consistent). I *think* it came in around the same time as Sydney Newman at the start of 1963.  Gradually this started to become the norm on Comedy and other shows.

The result of the 1974 summer strike saw the PUMs and PAs get regularly credited on screen, along with the above credits now on all episodes of a programme run.

Senior Cameraman, VT Editor, Vision Mixer, AFMs and Director?s Assistant/Production Associate joined the credits in 1979.

These days *everybody* seems to be credited.






From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:12 PM
To: Garth Tucker 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film

Hi Garth, 
Just looked at the credits on ?The Stone Tape? on which I was a boom op in1972 with the delightful Jane Asher, directed by the not so delightful Peter Sasdy. 
Credits for Sound Supervisor (Tony Millier) but not the senior cameraman. VT editor Geoff Higgs credited as well.

Barry.




On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:44, Garth Tucker <tuckergarth at me.com> wrote:


  Hi, with regard to credits I was made Camera Supervisor circa 1982 and I received credits from that time on. I believe more senior No. 1s would have received them before that. 

  Garth



    On 22 Aug 2020, at 09:49, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    HI Pat, 
    Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965.

    Barry.




    On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      Absolutely, Alec.
      The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
      The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
      As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
      I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
      Best
      Pat
       
      Sent from Mail for Windows 10
       
      From: Alec Bray via Tech1
      Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
      To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
      Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
       
      Absolutely  fascinating ...

      BUT

      What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now?? 



       

      Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)

       

      Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!

       

      AND:



      in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sat Aug 22 07:47:33 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 13:47:33 +0100
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Here?s a fresh thread......

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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Aug 22 08:10:41 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:10:41 +0100
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I recall working  on the studio production of Hassan with Ralph Richardson, John Gielgud, Nyree Dawn Porter et al. Lit by Jim Richards with sound by the wildly eccentric John Staple. John ?Dear God? Staple was a great friend so I think it fair to comment that he thought this his finest hour. You can imagine the Sound Control Room with the Delius full score much in evidence and plenty of arm waving from TV Sound Department?s very own maestro.

I drag this up because this would have been 1970 ish and I believe John was on the credits at a time when, in my memory, this was hardly universal.

Dave Newbitt.  

From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:12 PM
To: Garth Tucker 
Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film

Hi Garth, 
Just looked at the credits on ?The Stone Tape? on which I was a boom op in1972 with the delightful Jane Asher, directed by the not so delightful Peter Sasdy. 
Credits for Sound Supervisor (Tony Millier) but not the senior cameraman. VT editor Geoff Higgs credited as well.

Barry.




On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:44, Garth Tucker <tuckergarth at me.com> wrote:


  Hi, with regard to credits I was made Camera Supervisor circa 1982 and I received credits from that time on. I believe more senior No. 1s would have received them before that. 

  Garth



    On 22 Aug 2020, at 09:49, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

    HI Pat, 
    Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965.

    Barry.




    On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


      Absolutely, Alec.
      The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
      The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
      As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
      I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
      Best
      Pat
       
      Sent from Mail for Windows 10
       
      From: Alec Bray via Tech1
      Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
      To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
      Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
       
      Absolutely  fascinating ...

      BUT

      What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now?? 



       

      Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)

       

      Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!

       

      AND:



      in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...

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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 10:38:34 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:38:34 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] "Purgatory"
Message-ID: <2baeead7-71ea-ca1e-2caf-91abc997cc6f@gmail.com>

Hello,

In connection with the Training Film emails, I am wondering if any of 
you have memories of a programme from 1966.

It was a one-act opera "Purgatory", based on a poem by W. B. Yates with 
music written by Gordon Crosse: and broadcast on BBC 2.

As far as I can ascertain, this was the first performance.

It is really just for my interest? - but there is no mention of this in 
IMDB and no mention in appropriate Wiki pages (as far as I can see), 
although the Bodleian Library has the short score as broadcast on BBC TV.


You will remember the set - it was a large set, taking up most of TC4 
(sure it was 4!!) which was a sort of orchard, or countryside sort of 
thing.? There were basically two characters, one of whom chases the 
other round the set at the climax, catches up with him and plunges a 
knife into him.? I was on a tower - can't remember the other cameras.


If more information comes to light, would someone like to offer it to 
IMDB?? Every time I try to submit stuff, it seems to disappear into 
limbo... such as reporting which BBC TO crew worked on a 
production....?? .(The only success I have had was to get a correct 
picture for "The Idiot")

-- 
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Alec

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 10:49:30 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:49:30 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] "Purgatory"
In-Reply-To: <2baeead7-71ea-ca1e-2caf-91abc997cc6f@gmail.com>
References: <2baeead7-71ea-ca1e-2caf-91abc997cc6f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBAB7774F2E14C1AA719AE92A5D2CF6E@0023242e4e14>

That?ll be this one.  An episode of ?Workshop?.

I?ll send them the details and see if they add it.



From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 4:38 PM
To: TechOps Forum 
Subject: [Tech1] "Purgatory"

Hello,

In connection with the Training Film emails, I am wondering if any of you have memories of a programme from 1966.

It was a one-act opera "Purgatory", based on a poem by W. B. Yates with music written by Gordon Crosse: and broadcast on BBC 2.

As far as I can ascertain, this was the first performance.

It is really just for my interest  - but there is no mention of this in IMDB and no mention in appropriate Wiki pages (as far as I can see), although the Bodleian Library has the short score as broadcast on BBC TV.



You will remember the set - it was a large set, taking up most of TC4 (sure it was 4!!) which was a sort of orchard, or countryside sort of thing.  There were basically two characters, one of whom chases the other round the set at the climax, catches up with him and plunges a knife into him.  I was on a tower - can't remember the other cameras.



If more information comes to light, would someone like to offer it to IMDB?  Every time I try to submit stuff, it seems to disappear into limbo... such as reporting which BBC TO crew worked on a production....   .(The only success I have had was to get a correct picture for "The Idiot")


-- 
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Alec

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From davidvbrunt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 10:50:58 2020
From: davidvbrunt at gmail.com (David Brunt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:50:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] "Purgatory"
Message-ID: <8F34042B9F384556B98340B421E4ABFB@0023242e4e14>

Helps if I add the link...

https://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/fb350bd30c3a4922bf709202ffc61cc1

From: David Brunt 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 4:49 PM
To: Alec Bray ; TechOps Forum 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] "Purgatory"

That?ll be this one.  An episode of ?Workshop?.

I?ll send them the details and see if they add it.



From: Alec Bray via Tech1 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 4:38 PM
To: TechOps Forum 
Subject: [Tech1] "Purgatory"

Hello,

In connection with the Training Film emails, I am wondering if any of you have memories of a programme from 1966.

It was a one-act opera "Purgatory", based on a poem by W. B. Yates with music written by Gordon Crosse: and broadcast on BBC 2.

As far as I can ascertain, this was the first performance.

It is really just for my interest  - but there is no mention of this in IMDB and no mention in appropriate Wiki pages (as far as I can see), although the Bodleian Library has the short score as broadcast on BBC TV.



You will remember the set - it was a large set, taking up most of TC4 (sure it was 4!!) which was a sort of orchard, or countryside sort of thing.  There were basically two characters, one of whom chases the other round the set at the climax, catches up with him and plunges a knife into him.  I was on a tower - can't remember the other cameras.



If more information comes to light, would someone like to offer it to IMDB?  Every time I try to submit stuff, it seems to disappear into limbo... such as reporting which BBC TO crew worked on a production....   .(The only success I have had was to get a correct picture for "The Idiot")


-- 
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Alec

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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 22 10:54:52 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 16:54:52 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
In-Reply-To: <5F7FAB5412754C94BCF09FB735C5BB14@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com><2c8683f9-c1dc-fe25-adc4-0ae5cfa2ad83@gmail.com><5f3f96f5.1c69fb81.bf436.658f@mx.google.com><0F3D9E03-7ADA-4266-A21A-33CE2734678B@btinternet.com><C685C042-C5B6-416E-8F4E-EC52799F562F@me.com>
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Hi Dave,
	Myself and Tony Philpott went with John to record the orchestra in Maida Vale Studios and although a Studio Manager had to be with us John Staple made it very clear who was in charge! 
I remember the production assistant mistakenly opting for a lift with John to the studios and arriving terrified having nearly had a bad accident. I took her back! John was certainly on the credits.
Many years later at the sad memorial for Paul Cunliffe held at Maida Vale Studios a lady approached me with a couple of 10? tapes having been told who I was, these amazingly were Hassan and my name along with Tony?s was on the labels. Sadly she wanted to keep them! Must search the diaries for dates.

Barry.



On 22 Aug 2020, at 14:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

> I recall working  on the studio production of Hassan with Ralph Richardson, John Gielgud, Nyree Dawn Porter et al. Lit by Jim Richards with sound by the wildly eccentric John Staple. John ?Dear God? Staple was a great friend so I think it fair to comment that he thought this his finest hour. You can imagine the Sound Control Room with the Delius full score much in evidence and plenty of arm waving from TV Sound Department?s very own maestro.
>  
> I drag this up because this would have been 1970 ish and I believe John was on the credits at a time when, in my memory, this was hardly universal.
>  
> Dave Newbitt. 
>  
> From: Barry Bonner via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:12 PM
> To: Garth Tucker
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>  
> Hi Garth,
> Just looked at the credits on ?The Stone Tape? on which I was a boom op in1972 with the delightful Jane Asher, directed by the not so delightful Peter Sasdy.
> Credits for Sound Supervisor (Tony Millier) but not the senior cameraman. VT editor Geoff Higgs credited as well.
> Barry.
> 
> 
>  
> On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:44, Garth Tucker <tuckergarth at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, with regard to credits I was made Camera Supervisor circa 1982 and I received credits from that time on. I believe more senior No. 1s would have received them before that.
>>  
>> Garth
>> 
>>> On 22 Aug 2020, at 09:49, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>  
>>> HI Pat,
>>> Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965.
>>> Barry.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Absolutely, Alec.
>>>> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
>>>> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
>>>> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
>>>> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
>>>> Best
>>>> Pat
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>  
>>>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>>>>  
>>>> Absolutely  fascinating ...
>>>> 
>>>> BUT
>>>> 
>>>> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now??
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> AND:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Best Regards
>>>>  
>>>> Alec
>>>>  
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>  
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> mob:    07789 561 346
>>>> home:   0118 981 7502
>>>>  
>>>> 
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From barrybonner119 at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 22 11:02:22 2020
From: barrybonner119 at btinternet.com (Barry Bonner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:02:22 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Hassan 1970
In-Reply-To: <5F7FAB5412754C94BCF09FB735C5BB14@DESKTOP6GGCRV1>
References: <17a56df3-2b8c-0c63-b5e3-1fe435f40ab2@gmail.com><2c8683f9-c1dc-fe25-adc4-0ae5cfa2ad83@gmail.com><5f3f96f5.1c69fb81.bf436.658f@mx.google.com><0F3D9E03-7ADA-4266-A21A-33CE2734678B@btinternet.com><C685C042-C5B6-416E-8F4E-EC52799F562F@me.com>
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Message-ID: <553A549A-AB19-41AF-B0D2-0B4060C882FF@btinternet.com>

Here it is on IMDB?..

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067188/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
Barry.



On 22 Aug 2020, at 14:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:

> I recall working  on the studio production of Hassan with Ralph Richardson, John Gielgud, Nyree Dawn Porter et al. Lit by Jim Richards with sound by the wildly eccentric John Staple. John ?Dear God? Staple was a great friend so I think it fair to comment that he thought this his finest hour. You can imagine the Sound Control Room with the Delius full score much in evidence and plenty of arm waving from TV Sound Department?s very own maestro.
>  
> I drag this up because this would have been 1970 ish and I believe John was on the credits at a time when, in my memory, this was hardly universal.
>  
> Dave Newbitt. 
>  
> From: Barry Bonner via Tech1
> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:12 PM
> To: Garth Tucker
> Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>  
> Hi Garth,
> Just looked at the credits on ?The Stone Tape? on which I was a boom op in1972 with the delightful Jane Asher, directed by the not so delightful Peter Sasdy.
> Credits for Sound Supervisor (Tony Millier) but not the senior cameraman. VT editor Geoff Higgs credited as well.
> Barry.
> 
> 
>  
> On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:44, Garth Tucker <tuckergarth at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi, with regard to credits I was made Camera Supervisor circa 1982 and I received credits from that time on. I believe more senior No. 1s would have received them before that.
>>  
>> Garth
>> 
>>> On 22 Aug 2020, at 09:49, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>  
>>> HI Pat,
>>> Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965.
>>> Barry.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Absolutely, Alec.
>>>> The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
>>>> The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
>>>> As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
>>>> I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
>>>> Best
>>>> Pat
>>>>  
>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>  
>>>> From: Alec Bray via Tech1
>>>> Sent: 21 August 2020 09:10
>>>> To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film
>>>>  
>>>> Absolutely  fascinating ...
>>>> 
>>>> BUT
>>>> 
>>>> What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now??
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> AND:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Best Regards
>>>>  
>>>> Alec
>>>>  
>>>> Alec Bray
>>>>  
>>>> alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
>>>> mob:    07789 561 346
>>>> home:   0118 981 7502
>>>>  
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 11:05:54 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:05:54 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] "Purgatory"
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THANK YOU!!? That is excellent!

(I didn't think to look at Genome!).

Some sites I visited mentioned Cheltenham (only) - interesting to know 
that the opera was jointly commissioned by BBC-2 and the Cheltenham 
Festival.? Also, I had "remembered" it as a one-off programme, not part 
of a series.

Interesting, too, that the grandfather was played by Raimund Herincx, 
two years before his debut at the Royal Opera House.


Thank you once again, David!


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From dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net  Sat Aug 22 11:13:13 2020
From: dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net (David Newbitt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 17:13:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Training film
In-Reply-To: <5E483DDF-46F3-4B5E-942F-748F22470B2D@btinternet.com>
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Hi Barry,

My quite disgracefully scruffy and incomplete diary records are often also stupidly abbreviated. Taking all that into account I would tentatively offer the weekend of 4th/5th April 1970 in TC3 as a likely time.

John?s driving!!?? I have sat beside him while he aimed the car at the very narrow space between the parked cars on the left and the oncoming vehicles and then TOOK HIS HANDs OFF THE WHEEL and folded them behind his head. He loved courting disaster with outrageous actions and behaviour and it was really no surprise when he met his end in the way that he did. For all that I had great affection for him.

Dave Newbitt.

From: Barry Bonner 
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 4:54 PM
To: David Newbitt 
Cc: Garth Tucker ; tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film

Hi Dave, 
Myself and Tony Philpott went with John to record the orchestra in Maida Vale Studios and although a Studio Manager had to be with us John Staple made it very clear who was in charge! 
I remember the production assistant mistakenly opting for a lift with John to the studios and arriving terrified having nearly had a bad accident. I took her back! John was certainly on the credits.
Many years later at the sad memorial for Paul Cunliffe held at Maida Vale Studios a lady approached me with a couple of 10? tapes having been told who I was, these amazingly were Hassan and my name along with Tony?s was on the labels. Sadly she wanted to keep them! Must search the diaries for dates.

Barry.




On 22 Aug 2020, at 14:10, David Newbitt <dnewbitt at fireflyuk.net> wrote:


  I recall working  on the studio production of Hassan with Ralph Richardson, John Gielgud, Nyree Dawn Porter et al. Lit by Jim Richards with sound by the wildly eccentric John Staple. John ?Dear God? Staple was a great friend so I think it fair to comment that he thought this his finest hour. You can imagine the Sound Control Room with the Delius full score much in evidence and plenty of arm waving from TV Sound Department?s very own maestro.

  I drag this up because this would have been 1970 ish and I believe John was on the credits at a time when, in my memory, this was hardly universal.

  Dave Newbitt.  

  From: Barry Bonner via Tech1 
  Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2020 12:12 PM
  To: Garth Tucker 
  Cc: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
  Subject: Re: [Tech1] Training film

  Hi Garth, 
  Just looked at the credits on ?The Stone Tape? on which I was a boom op in1972 with the delightful Jane Asher, directed by the not so delightful Peter Sasdy. 
  Credits for Sound Supervisor (Tony Millier) but not the senior cameraman. VT editor Geoff Higgs credited as well.

  Barry.




  On 22 Aug 2020, at 11:44, Garth Tucker <tuckergarth at me.com> wrote:


    Hi, with regard to credits I was made Camera Supervisor circa 1982 and I received credits from that time on. I believe more senior No. 1s would have received them before that. 

    Garth



      On 22 Aug 2020, at 09:49, Barry Bonner via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

      HI Pat, 
      Sound Supervisor credits were well before 1985, they were certainly around when I joined the BBC in 1965.

      Barry.




      On 21 Aug 2020, at 10:42, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:


        Absolutely, Alec.
        The film appears to have been around 1968 ? the year I left, and I don?t remember these models when I was ?planning? during training for Sound Supervisor. They look beautifully made and like you, it would be fun to collect them!
        The only models I recall were Dinky Toy OB vans.
        As to screen credits, I was led to believe that it was insistence by ACT to credit film technicians, but the BBC steadfastly refused to give them to studio personnel. Around 1985, the Senior cameramen and Sound Supervisors were allowed a credit. The lovely Mike McCarthy collected quite a few ?campaign medals?!
        I loved working for Gerry Blake, but don?t remember the plot of ?Curtain of Fear? except that the music was composed by the frightfully enthusiastic Dudley Simpson (d. 2017 in Australia).
        Best
        Pat
         
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        Absolutely  fascinating ...

        BUT

        What about  these models of cameras, peds and cranes?  More to the point, where are they now?? 



         

        Gerry Blake, doing "Curtain of Fear"  (P. Heigham on Grams)  said that he had planned out the camera positions using matchboxes and lengths of string, so these models appeared sometime between 1964 and 1968.  Oh, what happened to those models....  I want one!  (would save having to design one in cardboard!)

         

        Also .. All the ** film cameramen and sound recordists  each get a credit - and NONE of the studio crew although we see their pictures and hear their sound.. Unfair, I say!

         

        AND:



        in a FILMING studio?  Oh oh oh ... It's a Television Studio for a telerecording ...

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Help!

Recently someone, and I can?t remember who, gave a link to a company that would do this and was recommended. I looked at the site but my particular interest was to copy some 16mm SOF films I shot ages ago.

I was impressed but even more so when it indicated that they also copied wetgate which would suit me fine.??I have one film that was badly scratched when I lent it to someone who clearly had something in his projector gate as all 800ft was affected!!

Anyway I have lost the link to the site and really want to find it but Google searches have not brought it up although I have found someone else who offers wetgate it?s not the one that was recommended. I also tried going through the history on my browser but that turned out to be an impossible task.

I?m not referring to images4life.com as I didn?t lose that link, but neither do they offer wetgate copying.

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:05:43 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Food awareness
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There's another variation of DIY restaurant cooking to be found in Shanghai, described to us as "Hot Pot".  It involves a special table with an iron pot and charcoal burner recessed into the top.  It's filled with hot stock.  It was explained that you cook various foodstuffs in the boiling cauldron, much as you might with fondue, but of course being in China, using chopsticks instead of forks

Life in foreign parts is always more interesting if you avoid the touristy places and don't bother with an interpreter.  That's how we found ourselves in an obscure part of the city in what we were certain was a 'Hot Pot" restaurant.  We walked past the caged menagerie by the entrance ..... or "larder" as the Chinese like to call it. We sat down, were warmly welcomed by a wonderful man and declared that we would like Hot Pot.  He didn't speak a word of English and fetched his ten year old daughter who was learning English and was thrilled to have an opportunity to practice her language skills on real English people.  We repeated our request for a Hot Pot and she in turn asked "Hot Pork?", pronounced in a staccato manner sounding like 'Pock'.  We smiled, repeated 'Hot Pot" and pointed to the table we were sitting at with it's built-in cauldron. Her face lit up, she said "yes of course" and disappeared towards the kitchen.

About fifteen minutes later, the owner came out with a huge dish of hot pork and proudly placed it on the table exactly where we had pointed to.  It was utterly delicious, but we never got to discover the delights of the mysterious Hot Pot.

Proper raclette cheese is another Swiss DIY cooking speciality. The raclette cheese is  generally melted on a special electric gadget these days, but traditionally the cheese is held very close to the end of a red-hot glowing log and as it softens and melts, you scrape it onto the serving plate by using a wooden spatula. We have adopted this dish as our signature bonfire night meal. A suitable log is dragged from the bonfire and used to melt the raclette cheese. The molten cheese is served with baby boiled potatoes and cornichons.

As for the Alpine hot stone cooking method, we took some American CBS staff to such a restaurant in a village near Albertville during the '92 Winter Olympics.  It's probably kindest to say that they had conservative culinary tastes and were doubtless more comfortable with burgers and pizzas than unconventional cuisine.  The almost-molten granite slab appeared, along with a massive tray of assorted thinly sliced meats. We had a vegetarian amongst us who pointed at the meats and mischievously asked "Remind me, is horse the dark red meat, or is horse the light red meat?".  Suffice it to say that the Americans stayed clear of anything that couldn't be unambiguously identified as either pork or chicken.

Finally, indulging my penchant for linking two current themes ... at the close of the final broadcast for those CBS winter Olympics, they ran a credit roller listing everybody who was involved in making it happen for CBS.  The roller included a couple of thousand names and ran for about twenty five minutes, including three commercial breaks.

Alan Taylor








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If I remember correctly, CBS in Albertville had more drivers than the entire BBC team and their VT guys were being given additional days off because the trucks were becoming too crowded. 

Mike G

> On 22 Aug 2020, at 20:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?There's another variation of DIY restaurant cooking to be found in Shanghai, described to us as "Hot Pot".  It involves a special table with an iron pot and charcoal burner recessed into the top.  It's filled with hot stock.  It was explained that you cook various foodstuffs in the boiling cauldron, much as you might with fondue, but of course being in China, using chopsticks instead of forks
> 
> Life in foreign parts is always more interesting if you avoid the touristy places and don't bother with an interpreter.  That's how we found ourselves in an obscure part of the city in what we were certain was a 'Hot Pot" restaurant.  We walked past the caged menagerie by the entrance ..... or "larder" as the Chinese like to call it. We sat down, were warmly welcomed by a wonderful man and declared that we would like Hot Pot.  He didn't speak a word of English and fetched his ten year old daughter who was learning English and was thrilled to have an opportunity to practice her language skills on real English people.  We repeated our request for a Hot Pot and she in turn asked "Hot Pork?", pronounced in a staccato manner sounding like 'Pock'.  We smiled, repeated 'Hot Pot" and pointed to the table we were sitting at with it's built-in cauldron. Her face lit up, she said "yes of course" and disappeared towards the kitchen.
> 
> About fifteen minutes later, the owner came out with a huge dish of hot pork and proudly placed it on the table exactly where we had pointed to.  It was utterly delicious, but we never got to discover the delights of the mysterious Hot Pot.
> 
> Proper raclette cheese is another Swiss DIY cooking speciality. The raclette cheese is  generally melted on a special electric gadget these days, but traditionally the cheese is held very close to the end of a red-hot glowing log and as it softens and melts, you scrape it onto the serving plate by using a wooden spatula. We have adopted this dish as our signature bonfire night meal. A suitable log is dragged from the bonfire and used to melt the raclette cheese. The molten cheese is served with baby boiled potatoes and cornichons.
> 
> As for the Alpine hot stone cooking method, we took some American CBS staff to such a restaurant in a village near Albertville during the '92 Winter Olympics.  It's probably kindest to say that they had conservative culinary tastes and were doubtless more comfortable with burgers and pizzas than unconventional cuisine.  The almost-molten granite slab appeared, along with a massive tray of assorted thinly sliced meats. We had a vegetarian amongst us who pointed at the meats and mischievously asked "Remind me, is horse the dark red meat, or is horse the light red meat?".  Suffice it to say that the Americans stayed clear of anything that couldn't be unambiguously identified as either pork or chicken.
> 
> Finally, indulging my penchant for linking two current themes ... at the close of the final broadcast for those CBS winter Olympics, they ran a credit roller listing everybody who was involved in making it happen for CBS.  The roller included a couple of thousand names and ran for about twenty five minutes, including three commercial breaks.
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From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
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There's another variation of DIY restaurant cooking to be found in Shanghai, described to us as "Hot Pot".  It involves a special table with an iron pot and charcoal burner recessed into the top.  It's filled with hot stock.  It was explained that you cook various foodstuffs in the boiling cauldron, much as you might with fondue, but of course being in China, using chopsticks instead of forks

Life in foreign parts is always more interesting if you avoid the touristy places and don't bother with an interpreter.  That's how we found ourselves in an obscure part of the city in what we were certain was a 'Hot Pot" restaurant.  We walked past the caged menagerie by the entrance ..... or "larder" as the Chinese like to call it. We sat down, were warmly welcomed by a wonderful man and declared that we would like Hot Pot.  He didn't speak a word of English and fetched his ten year old daughter who was learning English and was thrilled to have an opportunity to practice her language skills on real English people.  We repeated our request for a Hot Pot and she in turn asked "Hot Pork?", pronounced in a staccato manner sounding like 'Pock'.  We smiled, repeated 'Hot Pot" and pointed to the table we were sitting at with it's built-in cauldron. Her face lit up, she said "yes of course" and disappeared towards the kitchen.

About fifteen minutes later, the owner came out with a huge dish of hot pork and proudly placed it on the table exactly where we had pointed to.  It was utterly delicious, but we never got to discover the delights of the mysterious Hot Pot.

Proper raclette cheese is another Swiss DIY cooking speciality. The raclette cheese is  generally melted on a special electric gadget these days, but traditionally the cheese is held very close to the end of a red-hot glowing log and as it softens and melts, you scrape it onto the serving plate by using a wooden spatula. We have adopted this dish as our signature bonfire night meal. A suitable log is dragged from the bonfire and used to melt the raclette cheese. The molten cheese is served with baby boiled potatoes and cornichons.

As for the Alpine hot stone cooking method, we took some American CBS staff to such a restaurant in a village near Albertville during the '92 Winter Olympics.  It's probably kindest to say that they had conservative culinary tastes and were doubtless more comfortable with burgers and pizzas than unconventional cuisine.  The almost-molten granite slab appeared, along with a massive tray of assorted thinly sliced meats. We had a vegetarian amongst us who pointed at the meats and mischievously asked "Remind me, is horse the dark red meat, or is horse the light red meat?".  Suffice it to say that the Americans stayed clear of anything that couldn't be unambiguously identified as either pork or chicken.

Finally, indulging my penchant for linking two current themes ... at the close of the final broadcast for those CBS winter Olympics, they ran a credit roller listing everybody who was involved in making it happen for CBS.  The roller included a couple of thousand names and ran for about twenty five minutes, including three commercial breaks.

Alan Taylor








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From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 09:18:57 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Food awareness
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It's not often that BBC people can point the finger at others and accuse them of being overstaffed compared to the BBC, but CBS in Albertville took overstaffing into a different league.

One aspect of working directly for CBS which did shock me was how few of them seemed to be aware of other languages.  I only encountered three who attempted to speak any French.  One of them had a French mother, another had family in Eastern Canada. 

The one who I struck a special bond with was their voice over artist known as Rosko.  We were forewarned that he was their star performer - we were supposed treat him with obsequious respect and never make eye contact. In reality he and I got on very well, trading jokes and friendly insults through the window of the voice over booth while the producers were wondering "what the hell is going on here?".  My favourite line followed an excellent exchange of banter during the recording of a voice over highlighting the programme's sponsorship by Preparation H, which is used to treat haemorrhoids  ( with a product like that, the jokes write themselves ).  At one point Rosko was rocking back in his chair laughing and said "Jeez, you Brits are twice as witty as Americans", to which I replied "No ... Americans are half wits".  Rosko instantly understood and loved the joke, but the New York producer and other staff clearly didn't understand the phrase, which made it all the funnier to Rosko. We went out for meals together and that's when I discovered how fluently he spoke French.  

He told me so much about his controversial life.  He had extremely strong principles and his habit of voicing his principles on air wrecked his career on a number of occasions, especially his anti-war views during the time of the Vietnam war. He worked for numerous American radio stations, pioneering a unique style of radio which was immensely popular with listeners, but station managers were wary of him. One station would only allow him to broadcast off tape and never allowed him to broadcast live.  He spent several years working in Paris, which he regarded as an especially happy time of his life and he really enjoyed being back in France for the winter Olympics.  He had the most amazing voice   You will have heard those very deep voices that growl over movie trailers, well Rosko combined that with a very charming southern American drawl.  In restaurants he would flirt with waitresses and guests in the most outrageous manner and they absolutely loved it. There was never a dull moment when he was around and he lived life to the full.  

One of the joys of our work is that you occasionally get to meet people who make a strong impression on you.  I had never heard of him before that show and I wouldn't expect that any of you had heard of him, but he was one of the most inspirational people I have ever met.  In some ways he was the American version of John Peel ( it might be more historically accurate to say that Peel was the British version of Rosko ), with a touch of Alistair Cooke's "Letter from America' thrown in for good measure.  He played an eclectic range of music combined with an appreciation and knowledge of art and culture in all forms. He spoke engagingly and passionately about anything which interested him and was much loved by recording artists, who popped into his studio if they were in town.  His real name was William Rosco Mercer, but James Brown persuaded him to adopt that middle name and change the spelling to make it more distinctive. The world desperately needs more people like Rosko.

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> If I remember correctly, CBS in Albertville had more drivers than the entire BBC team and their VT guys were being given additional days off because the trucks were becoming too crowded. 
> 
> Mike G
> 
>> On 22 Aug 2020, at 20:27, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?There's another variation of DIY restaurant cooking to be found in Shanghai, described to us as "Hot Pot".  It involves a special table with an iron pot and charcoal burner recessed into the top.  It's filled with hot stock.  It was explained that you cook various foodstuffs in the boiling cauldron, much as you might with fondue, but of course being in China, using chopsticks instead of forks
>> 
>> Life in foreign parts is always more interesting if you avoid the touristy places and don't bother with an interpreter.  That's how we found ourselves in an obscure part of the city in what we were certain was a 'Hot Pot" restaurant.  We walked past the caged menagerie by the entrance ..... or "larder" as the Chinese like to call it. We sat down, were warmly welcomed by a wonderful man and declared that we would like Hot Pot.  He didn't speak a word of English and fetched his ten year old daughter who was learning English and was thrilled to have an opportunity to practice her language skills on real English people.  We repeated our request for a Hot Pot and she in turn asked "Hot Pork?", pronounced in a staccato manner sounding like 'Pock'.  We smiled, repeated 'Hot Pot" and pointed to the table we were sitting at with it's built-in cauldron. Her face lit up, she said "yes of course" and disappeared towards the kitchen.
>> 
>> About fifteen minutes later, the owner came out with a huge dish of hot pork and proudly placed it on the table exactly where we had pointed to.  It was utterly delicious, but we never got to discover the delights of the mysterious Hot Pot.
>> 
>> Proper raclette cheese is another Swiss DIY cooking speciality. The raclette cheese is  generally melted on a special electric gadget these days, but traditionally the cheese is held very close to the end of a red-hot glowing log and as it softens and melts, you scrape it onto the serving plate by using a wooden spatula. We have adopted this dish as our signature bonfire night meal. A suitable log is dragged from the bonfire and used to melt the raclette cheese. The molten cheese is served with baby boiled potatoes and cornichons.
>> 
>> As for the Alpine hot stone cooking method, we took some American CBS staff to such a restaurant in a village near Albertville during the '92 Winter Olympics.  It's probably kindest to say that they had conservative culinary tastes and were doubtless more comfortable with burgers and pizzas than unconventional cuisine.  The almost-molten granite slab appeared, along with a massive tray of assorted thinly sliced meats. We had a vegetarian amongst us who pointed at the meats and mischievously asked "Remind me, is horse the dark red meat, or is horse the light red meat?".  Suffice it to say that the Americans stayed clear of anything that couldn't be unambiguously identified as either pork or chicken.
>> 
>> Finally, indulging my penchant for linking two current themes ... at the close of the final broadcast for those CBS winter Olympics, they ran a credit roller listing everybody who was involved in making it happen for CBS.  The roller included a couple of thousand names and ran for about twenty five minutes, including three commercial breaks.
>> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Sun Aug 23 04:33:38 2020
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 10:33:38 +0100
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I echo Alan?s remarks about the American lack of knowledge regarding culinary delights!
Another NBC Sports shoot took us to Athens to do a ?special? about the original Olympics. This required a stay near the real Olympia ? just a collection of ruins, now and our driver took us to a taverna in the next village for dinner. The Yanks just wanted: ?Can I get a steak and salad?. We patiently explained that we would be served whatever they happened to have.
Meze appeared as hors d?oeuvre ? delicious, then the patron brought in a shovel to collect some embers from the roaring fire in the dining room, spreading them on a grill pan, eventually producing lamb cutlets cooked to perfection, wonderfully pink and tender.

The American ignorance extends to geography, too. A small cruise ship had to relocate from South Africa to Indonesia, across the Indian Ocean, a party of US people pulled out as they thought the voyage was too close to the Gulf (the second Gulf war was in progress). Absolute rubbish ? many miles south! Anyway, the travel company strove to recoup some lolly, so offered a six-week trip for the price of two! For ?1500 pp my travelling companion and I had an unforgettable trip, highlights being up close and personal with lemurs in Madagascar and the ?dragons? on Komodo. I was viewing some of my VHS footage on the TV in the ship?s library, when a couple of other passengers wandered in, and thought that I was looking at a National Geographic video from the DVD library. The rushes were then demanded to be shown to the whole ship. This resulted in an invite to the Captain?s table for Christmas Eve dinner (the crew was Swedish ? they celebrate on the Eve).
Think our bar bill was more than the cost of the voyage!
(Attached ? the little ship in the Cocos Islands)
Best
Pat

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As for the Alpine hot stone cooking method, we took some American CBS staff to such a restaurant in a village near Albertville during the '92 Winter Olympics. ?It's probably kindest to say that they had conservative culinary tastes and were doubtless more comfortable with burgers and pizzas than unconventional cuisine. ?The almost-molten granite slab appeared, along with a massive tray of assorted thinly sliced meats.?". ?Suffice it to say that the Americans stayed clear of anything that couldn't be unambiguously identified as either pork or chicken.


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Subject: [Tech1] Food awareness
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One of the CBS New Yorkers had been taken to a typical no-nonsense little French restaurant where he struggled to find anything which he was prepared to try.  Speaking to his wife afterwards on the phone, he said "You won't believe it, but French people even eat ORGANS!"

As for Americans not having much understanding of geography, I was in London setting up a video link from America during the Gulf War and my counterpart in Los Angeles sat in shot and  asked me if the bombing of Bagdad is heard loudly in London.  I told him that the traffic noise is louder and besides, the the London fog is renowned for attenuating noises of that type. He nodded thoughtfully, saying "Of course".

Alan Taylor



On 23 Aug 2020, at 23 Aug . 10:33, patheigham <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> I echo Alan?s remarks about the American lack of knowledge regarding culinary delights!
> Another NBC Sports shoot took us to Athens to do a ?special? about the original Olympics. This required a stay near the real Olympia ? just a collection of ruins, now and our driver took us to a taverna in the next village for dinner. The Yanks just wanted: ?Can I get a steak and salad?. We patiently explained that we would be served whatever they happened to have.
> Meze appeared as hors d?oeuvre ? delicious, then the patron brought in a shovel to collect some embers from the roaring fire in the dining room, spreading them on a grill pan, eventually producing lamb cutlets cooked to perfection, wonderfully pink and tender.
>  
> The American ignorance extends to geography, too. A small cruise ship had to relocate from South Africa to Indonesia, across the Indian Ocean, a party of US people pulled out as they thought the voyage was too close to the Gulf (the second Gulf war was in progress). Absolute rubbish ? many miles south! Anyway, the travel company strove to recoup some lolly, so offered a six-week trip for the price of two! For ?1500 pp my travelling companion and I had an unforgettable trip, highlights being up close and personal with lemurs in Madagascar and the ?dragons? on Komodo. I was viewing some of my VHS footage on the TV in the ship?s library, when a couple of other passengers wandered in, and thought that I was looking at a National Geographic video from the DVD library. The rushes were then demanded to be shown to the whole ship. This resulted in an invite to the Captain?s table for Christmas Eve dinner (the crew was Swedish ? they celebrate on the Eve).
> Think our bar bill was more than the cost of the voyage!
> (Attached ? the little ship in the Cocos Islands)
> Best
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> As for the Alpine hot stone cooking method, we took some American CBS staff to such a restaurant in a village near Albertville during the '92 Winter Olympics.  It's probably kindest to say that they had conservative culinary tastes and were doubtless more comfortable with burgers and pizzas than unconventional cuisine.  The almost-molten granite slab appeared, along with a massive tray of assorted thinly sliced meats.?".  Suffice it to say that the Americans stayed clear of anything that couldn't be unambiguously identified as either pork or chicken.
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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Sun Aug 23 05:46:51 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 11:46:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Food awareness
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Not just Americans! I did a lot of work round Europe with a Yorkshire based OB unit and they subsisted on takeaway pizzas ordered from the bar of the hotel.
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> On 23 Aug 2020, at 10:33, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I echo Alan?s remarks about the American lack of knowledge regarding culinary delights!
> Another NBC Sports shoot took us to Athens to do a ?special? about the original Olympics. This required a stay near the real Olympia ? just a collection of ruins, now and our driver took us to a taverna in the next village for dinner. The Yanks just wanted: ?Can I get a steak and salad?. We patiently explained that we would be served whatever they happened to have.
> Meze appeared as hors d?oeuvre ? delicious, then the patron brought in a shovel to collect some embers from the roaring fire in the dining room, spreading them on a grill pan, eventually producing lamb cutlets cooked to perfection, wonderfully pink and tender.
>  
> The American ignorance extends to geography, too. A small cruise ship had to relocate from South Africa to Indonesia, across the Indian Ocean, a party of US people pulled out as they thought the voyage was too close to the Gulf (the second Gulf war was in progress). Absolute rubbish ? many miles south! Anyway, the travel company strove to recoup some lolly, so offered a six-week trip for the price of two! For ?1500 pp my travelling companion and I had an unforgettable trip, highlights being up close and personal with lemurs in Madagascar and the ?dragons? on Komodo. I was viewing some of my VHS footage on the TV in the ship?s library, when a couple of other passengers wandered in, and thought that I was looking at a National Geographic video from the DVD library. The rushes were then demanded to be shown to the whole ship. This resulted in an invite to the Captain?s table for Christmas Eve dinner (the crew was Swedish ? they celebrate on the Eve).
> Think our bar bill was more than the cost of the voyage!
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From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 07:08:39 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:08:39 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Zerb - an article
Message-ID: <a04b30f5-0e15-848e-b0b9-ce889ae4a498@gmail.com>

Hi all,

A month or so ago,Vernon Dyer mention "Zerb" in an email.? Well, I had 
never heard of this before.

"Zerb"? is the? Guild of Television Camera Professionals' twice yearly 
journal.? The Guild? (GTC) was formed in 1972, some 5 years after I left 
the Beeb and the mag started a year later.

And so, for people like me who never knew about it, and perhaps for 
people of sound who never subscribed ...here is a joyous paragraph or two:

====


    Is it a bird? Is it a plane? It's Cameraman!

  * 11 January 2012
  * Alison Chapman



Spotted on You Tube, this brilliant cartoon uploaded by the 
multi-talented former BBC cameraman Roger Bunce.

Not only does it quite correctly (in our totally unbiassed opinion) 
bestow the status of superman on all cameramen... hmmm... it is also 
brim full of fantastic detail, mostly relating to the soon to be extinct 
Television Centre. Plus, it can even claim to be quite educational for 
young cameramen (see the shot card instructions, etc etc).

Be warned, you'll need to watch it a couple of times to catch all the 
jokes... oh, and it's a tincy bit sexist... and there's a bit of bad 
language in places... but hey, it's definitely worth it for the many, 
many laughs!

*The plot*
Cameraman, the 1970s Super-Hero of Television Centre, accompanied by his 
faithful side-kick Tracker, and his admirers Autocue Girl and Make-Up 
Girl, battle against a range of studio Super-Villains, including: 
Allocations, Link Man, Lighting Man, Sparx, Racks Operator, Sound Man, 
the Scene Crew and Arch-Villain Director, with his brutish henchman 
Vision Mixer.

Dedicated to BBC Television Centre and the Golden Age of Television.


====


Thank you, Roger.


-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

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From grahamthecameraman at icloud.com  Sun Aug 23 07:16:19 2020
From: grahamthecameraman at icloud.com (Graham Maunder)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 13:16:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Zerb - an article
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Alec (& all)

There is a ?retired? category for people want ing to join the GTC and stay in touch with the going-ons in the camera world. Lots of great publications each year and plenty of chance (in normal times!) to meet up.

Be great to see more of you join up!!!

www.gtc.tv <http://www.gtc.tv/>

Graham Maunder, Currently Chair of the GTC)

> On 23 Aug 2020, at 13:08, Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A month or so ago,Vernon Dyer mention "Zerb" in an email.  Well, I had never heard of this before.
> 
> "Zerb"  is the  Guild of Television Camera Professionals' twice yearly journal.  The Guild  (GTC) was formed in 1972, some 5 years after I left the Beeb and the mag started a year later.
> 
> And so, for people like me who never knew about it, and perhaps for people of sound who never subscribed ...here is a joyous paragraph or two:
> ====
> Is it a bird? Is it a plane? It's Cameraman!
> 
> 11 January 2012
> Alison Chapman
> 
> 
> Spotted on You Tube, this brilliant cartoon uploaded by the multi-talented former BBC cameraman Roger Bunce.
> 
> Not only does it quite correctly (in our totally unbiassed opinion) bestow the status of superman on all cameramen... hmmm... it is also brim full of fantastic detail, mostly relating to the soon to be extinct Television Centre. Plus, it can even claim to be quite educational for young cameramen (see the shot card instructions, etc etc).
> Be warned, you'll need to watch it a couple of times to catch all the jokes... oh, and it's a tincy bit sexist... and there's a bit of bad language in places... but hey, it's definitely worth it for the many, many laughs! 
> 
> The plot
> Cameraman, the 1970s Super-Hero of Television Centre, accompanied by his faithful side-kick Tracker, and his admirers Autocue Girl and Make-Up Girl, battle against a range of studio Super-Villains, including: Allocations, Link Man, Lighting Man, Sparx, Racks Operator, Sound Man, the Scene Crew and Arch-Villain Director, with his brutish henchman Vision Mixer.
> 
> Dedicated to BBC Television Centre and the Golden Age of Television.
> 
> 
> ====
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> 
> Thank you, Roger.
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sun Aug 23 09:07:48 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 14:07:48 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Zerb - an article
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The plot
Cameraman, the 1970s Super-Hero of Television Centre, accompanied by his faithful side-kick Tracker, and his admirers Autocue Girl and Make-Up Girl, Etc.......

I?ve always marvelled at the way cameramen have this strange idea that any attractive female who looks into their lens (or Autocue, make-up etc.) is looking at them admiringly or adoringly.
If I could have a quid for every time I hear comments over radio mics on that topic, I could have retired yonks ago. Comments that only the Sound dept get to hear!
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From techtone at protonmail.com  Sun Aug 23 11:55:49 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 16:55:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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I would like to install a three handset cordless phones here, but all seem to come with loads of gizmos. I don't want blocked calls, answering machines, etc. but if that's the only thing now available, as long as you can turn it off (answering machine) or ignore it, then I might consider it. It also needs to have the capability of turning off any ringing (for night time usage) and also volume set as LOUD AS POSSIBLE for my wife who is exceptionally hard of hearing.

I have searched the web, and read reviews, but I can't find anything reliable or meaningful in them. I'm hoping that I may manage to have some suitable suggestions from the experts on this chatty list.

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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug 23 13:00:13 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 19:00:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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I have a set of BT 4600 DECT phones which have an 'amplify' button, but the volume boost is minimal. You can get DECT phones labelled HAC ( Hearing Aid Compatible ), which may be of use, but I don't know anything about them.  My mother was very deaf and although I got her a wired telephone which she could use via her hearing aid, she couldn't hear it ring, especially if she had the TV on with the volume turned up.  The flashing light on the phone rarely caught her attention.  I ended up installing plug-in ringers in her kitchen and lounge so that she was alerted that somebody was calling. On DECT phones, the ringer volume is usually set on each handset, so you should be able to turn the bedroom ringer off and leave the others at normal volume if that might work for you.

My experience of DECT handsets is that everything is fine initially, but if one handset packs up, unless it's a popular and recent brand, you won't be able to find a replacement handset.  Although other handsets can theoretically be connected, they won't be able to access things like stored phone numbers or special features. Caller ID is a feature worth having, but may incur extra charges from your service provider. Get handsets where the rechargeable batteries are standard user-replaceable AAA cells.  Manufacturers seem to supply them with poor quality batteries.

Personally I prefer a built-in answering machine rather than a service provide by the phone company.  If called from a number we don't recognise, the call is left to the answer machine and if it turns out to be a person that you want to speak to, you can monitor the call on the answerphone speaker and pick up the phone should you chose to.  If you really don't want an answerphone but it's built in to the system you otherwise like, it can be turned off so that all calls have to be answered manually. Some can be set to only answer after a lot of rings, which means you normally answer it within that time, but if you're not in, it gets answered.

Reading about the features on adverts and web sites doesn't always answer your questions.  It's sometimes worth trying to download the user manual for a product you're planning on buying to see what it really can do.

We use our mobiles almost exclusively these days and the calls are cheaper than they would be on a landline.  If we didn't need a landline to get broadband, we would have stopped using it years ago. There seem to be fewer DECT phones in shops than there used to be. I assume that is down to cellphones being ubiquitous.

Alan Taylor



On 23 Aug 2020, at 23 Aug . 17:55, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> I would like to install a three handset cordless phones here, but all seem to come with loads of gizmos. I don't want blocked calls, answering machines, etc. but if that's the only thing now available, as long as you can turn it off (answering machine) or ignore it, then I might consider it. It also needs to have the capability of turning off any ringing (for night time usage) and also volume set as LOUD AS POSSIBLE for my wife who is exceptionally hard of hearing.
> 
> I have searched the web, and read reviews, but I can't find anything reliable or meaningful in them. I'm hoping that I may manage to have some suitable suggestions from the experts on this chatty list.
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From mibridge at mac.com  Sun Aug 23 14:28:24 2020
From: mibridge at mac.com (Mike Giles)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 20:28:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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One thing I find frustrating is that there is no way to transfer contacts from your mobile phone or computer to landline handsets, even though they have memories. I realise that the average handset memory is probably only 30 or so, but if a mobile phone can manage hundreds of numbers, why can?t a landline handset?

Mike G


> On 23 Aug 2020, at 19:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> I have a set of BT 4600 DECT phones which have an 'amplify' button, but the volume boost is minimal. You can get DECT phones labelled HAC ( Hearing Aid Compatible ), which may be of use, but I don't know anything about them.  My mother was very deaf and although I got her a wired telephone which she could use via her hearing aid, she couldn't hear it ring, especially if she had the TV on with the volume turned up.  The flashing light on the phone rarely caught her attention.  I ended up installing plug-in ringers in her kitchen and lounge so that she was alerted that somebody was calling. On DECT phones, the ringer volume is usually set on each handset, so you should be able to turn the bedroom ringer off and leave the others at normal volume if that might work for you.
> 
> My experience of DECT handsets is that everything is fine initially, but if one handset packs up, unless it's a popular and recent brand, you won't be able to find a replacement handset.  Although other handsets can theoretically be connected, they won't be able to access things like stored phone numbers or special features. Caller ID is a feature worth having, but may incur extra charges from your service provider. Get handsets where the rechargeable batteries are standard user-replaceable AAA cells.  Manufacturers seem to supply them with poor quality batteries.
> 
> Personally I prefer a built-in answering machine rather than a service provide by the phone company.  If called from a number we don't recognise, the call is left to the answer machine and if it turns out to be a person that you want to speak to, you can monitor the call on the answerphone speaker and pick up the phone should you chose to.  If you really don't want an answerphone but it's built in to the system you otherwise like, it can be turned off so that all calls have to be answered manually. Some can be set to only answer after a lot of rings, which means you normally answer it within that time, but if you're not in, it gets answered.
> 
> Reading about the features on adverts and web sites doesn't always answer your questions.  It's sometimes worth trying to download the user manual for a product you're planning on buying to see what it really can do.
> 
> We use our mobiles almost exclusively these days and the calls are cheaper than they would be on a landline.  If we didn't need a landline to get broadband, we would have stopped using it years ago. There seem to be fewer DECT phones in shops than there used to be. I assume that is down to cellphones being ubiquitous.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
> On 23 Aug 2020, at 23 Aug . 17:55, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
> 
>> I would like to install a three handset cordless phones here, but all seem to come with loads of gizmos. I don't want blocked calls, answering machines, etc. but if that's the only thing now available, as long as you can turn it off (answering machine) or ignore it, then I might consider it. It also needs to have the capability of turning off any ringing (for night time usage) and also volume set as LOUD AS POSSIBLE for my wife who is exceptionally hard of hearing.
>> 
>> I have searched the web, and read reviews, but I can't find anything reliable or meaningful in them. I'm hoping that I may manage to have some suitable suggestions from the experts on this chatty list.
>> 
>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
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From alanaudio at me.com  Sun Aug 23 15:25:17 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:25:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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Yes agreed.  I don?t think the designers care. It seems that there is a gap in the market which somebody could fill.

About three or four years ago I was asking dealers and manufacturers which DECT phones could import numbers from my computer.  I figured that as my mobile would sync with my computer, it would probably be easier to get a computer to talk to a DECT phone than a cellphone to do it.  I got nowhere.

I also mentioned that my car can read the address book on my phone and asked which DECT phones could do that. I was told that there is no demand for it, which I never believed. 

The fact that it?s such a hassle entering numbers into my DECT phone and it?s so simple to use my mobile means that there is little temptation to use the landline.

Alan Taylor


> On 23 Aug 2020, at 20:28, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?One thing I find frustrating is that there is no way to transfer contacts from your mobile phone or computer to landline handsets, even though they have memories. I realise that the average handset memory is probably only 30 or so, but if a mobile phone can manage hundreds of numbers, why can?t a landline handset?
> 
> Mike G
> 
> 
>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 19:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a set of BT 4600 DECT phones which have an 'amplify' button, but the volume boost is minimal. You can get DECT phones labelled HAC ( Hearing Aid Compatible ), which may be of use, but I don't know anything about them.  My mother was very deaf and although I got her a wired telephone which she could use via her hearing aid, she couldn't hear it ring, especially if she had the TV on with the volume turned up.  The flashing light on the phone rarely caught her attention.  I ended up installing plug-in ringers in her kitchen and lounge so that she was alerted that somebody was calling. On DECT phones, the ringer volume is usually set on each handset, so you should be able to turn the bedroom ringer off and leave the others at normal volume if that might work for you.
>> 
>> My experience of DECT handsets is that everything is fine initially, but if one handset packs up, unless it's a popular and recent brand, you won't be able to find a replacement handset.  Although other handsets can theoretically be connected, they won't be able to access things like stored phone numbers or special features. Caller ID is a feature worth having, but may incur extra charges from your service provider. Get handsets where the rechargeable batteries are standard user-replaceable AAA cells.  Manufacturers seem to supply them with poor quality batteries.
>> 
>> Personally I prefer a built-in answering machine rather than a service provide by the phone company.  If called from a number we don't recognise, the call is left to the answer machine and if it turns out to be a person that you want to speak to, you can monitor the call on the answerphone speaker and pick up the phone should you chose to.  If you really don't want an answerphone but it's built in to the system you otherwise like, it can be turned off so that all calls have to be answered manually. Some can be set to only answer after a lot of rings, which means you normally answer it within that time, but if you're not in, it gets answered.
>> 
>> Reading about the features on adverts and web sites doesn't always answer your questions.  It's sometimes worth trying to download the user manual for a product you're planning on buying to see what it really can do.
>> 
>> We use our mobiles almost exclusively these days and the calls are cheaper than they would be on a landline.  If we didn't need a landline to get broadband, we would have stopped using it years ago. There seem to be fewer DECT phones in shops than there used to be. I assume that is down to cellphones being ubiquitous.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 23 Aug . 17:55, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to install a three handset cordless phones here, but all seem to come with loads of gizmos. I don't want blocked calls, answering machines, etc. but if that's the only thing now available, as long as you can turn it off (answering machine) or ignore it, then I might consider it. It also needs to have the capability of turning off any ringing (for night time usage) and also volume set as LOUD AS POSSIBLE for my wife who is exceptionally hard of hearing.
>>> 
>>> I have searched the web, and read reviews, but I can't find anything reliable or meaningful in them. I'm hoping that I may manage to have some suitable suggestions from the experts on this chatty list.
>>> 
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>> 
>>> 
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From alawrance1 at me.com  Sun Aug 23 15:35:58 2020
From: alawrance1 at me.com (Alasdair Lawrance)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 21:35:58 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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I'm another one who gave up with Dect phones when I tried transferring my mobile address books (business and personal) to the system.  'No demand for it'.....yeah, right.

Alasdair Lawrance

Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.



> On 23 Aug 2020, at 21:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Yes agreed.  I don?t think the designers care. It seems that there is a gap in the market which somebody could fill.
> 
> About three or four years ago I was asking dealers and manufacturers which DECT phones could import numbers from my computer.  I figured that as my mobile would sync with my computer, it would probably be easier to get a computer to talk to a DECT phone than a cellphone to do it.  I got nowhere.
> 
> I also mentioned that my car can read the address book on my phone and asked which DECT phones could do that. I was told that there is no demand for it, which I never believed. 
> 
> The fact that it?s such a hassle entering numbers into my DECT phone and it?s so simple to use my mobile means that there is little temptation to use the landline.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 20:28, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?One thing I find frustrating is that there is no way to transfer contacts from your mobile phone or computer to landline handsets, even though they have memories. I realise that the average handset memory is probably only 30 or so, but if a mobile phone can manage hundreds of numbers, why can?t a landline handset?
>> 
>> Mike G
>> 
>> 
>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 19:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a set of BT 4600 DECT phones which have an 'amplify' button, but the volume boost is minimal. You can get DECT phones labelled HAC ( Hearing Aid Compatible ), which may be of use, but I don't know anything about them.  My mother was very deaf and although I got her a wired telephone which she could use via her hearing aid, she couldn't hear it ring, especially if she had the TV on with the volume turned up.  The flashing light on the phone rarely caught her attention.  I ended up installing plug-in ringers in her kitchen and lounge so that she was alerted that somebody was calling. On DECT phones, the ringer volume is usually set on each handset, so you should be able to turn the bedroom ringer off and leave the others at normal volume if that might work for you.
>>> 
>>> My experience of DECT handsets is that everything is fine initially, but if one handset packs up, unless it's a popular and recent brand, you won't be able to find a replacement handset.  Although other handsets can theoretically be connected, they won't be able to access things like stored phone numbers or special features. Caller ID is a feature worth having, but may incur extra charges from your service provider. Get handsets where the rechargeable batteries are standard user-replaceable AAA cells.  Manufacturers seem to supply them with poor quality batteries.
>>> 
>>> Personally I prefer a built-in answering machine rather than a service provide by the phone company.  If called from a number we don't recognise, the call is left to the answer machine and if it turns out to be a person that you want to speak to, you can monitor the call on the answerphone speaker and pick up the phone should you chose to.  If you really don't want an answerphone but it's built in to the system you otherwise like, it can be turned off so that all calls have to be answered manually. Some can be set to only answer after a lot of rings, which means you normally answer it within that time, but if you're not in, it gets answered.
>>> 
>>> Reading about the features on adverts and web sites doesn't always answer your questions.  It's sometimes worth trying to download the user manual for a product you're planning on buying to see what it really can do.
>>> 
>>> We use our mobiles almost exclusively these days and the calls are cheaper than they would be on a landline.  If we didn't need a landline to get broadband, we would have stopped using it years ago. There seem to be fewer DECT phones in shops than there used to be. I assume that is down to cellphones being ubiquitous.
>>> 
>>> Alan Taylor
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 23 Aug . 17:55, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I would like to install a three handset cordless phones here, but all seem to come with loads of gizmos. I don't want blocked calls, answering machines, etc. but if that's the only thing now available, as long as you can turn it off (answering machine) or ignore it, then I might consider it. It also needs to have the capability of turning off any ringing (for night time usage) and also volume set as LOUD AS POSSIBLE for my wife who is exceptionally hard of hearing.
>>>> 
>>>> I have searched the web, and read reviews, but I can't find anything reliable or meaningful in them. I'm hoping that I may manage to have some suitable suggestions from the experts on this chatty list.
>>>> 
>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 24 02:52:51 2020
From: ravenscourt1 at btinternet.com (Ravenscourt)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 08:52:51 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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References: <08E54CC4-4B2B-41E5-85FB-3CB9C5DD689F@me.com>
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If you trust Google you might think about Google Home. The one with the screen is on offer at the moment 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 23 Aug 2020, at 21:36, Alasdair Lawrance via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm another one who gave up with Dect phones when I tried transferring my mobile address books (business and personal) to the system.  'No demand for it'.....yeah, right.
> 
> Alasdair Lawrance
> 
> Don?t blame me, I voted Remain.
> 
> 
> 
>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 21:25, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Yes agreed.  I don?t think the designers care. It seems that there is a gap in the market which somebody could fill.
>> 
>> About three or four years ago I was asking dealers and manufacturers which DECT phones could import numbers from my computer.  I figured that as my mobile would sync with my computer, it would probably be easier to get a computer to talk to a DECT phone than a cellphone to do it.  I got nowhere.
>> 
>> I also mentioned that my car can read the address book on my phone and asked which DECT phones could do that. I was told that there is no demand for it, which I never believed. 
>> 
>> The fact that it?s such a hassle entering numbers into my DECT phone and it?s so simple to use my mobile means that there is little temptation to use the landline.
>> 
>> Alan Taylor
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 20:28, Mike Giles <mibridge at mac.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> ?One thing I find frustrating is that there is no way to transfer contacts from your mobile phone or computer to landline handsets, even though they have memories. I realise that the average handset memory is probably only 30 or so, but if a mobile phone can manage hundreds of numbers, why can?t a landline handset?
>>> 
>>> Mike G
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 19:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a set of BT 4600 DECT phones which have an 'amplify' button, but the volume boost is minimal. You can get DECT phones labelled HAC ( Hearing Aid Compatible ), which may be of use, but I don't know anything about them.  My mother was very deaf and although I got her a wired telephone which she could use via her hearing aid, she couldn't hear it ring, especially if she had the TV on with the volume turned up.  The flashing light on the phone rarely caught her attention.  I ended up installing plug-in ringers in her kitchen and lounge so that she was alerted that somebody was calling. On DECT phones, the ringer volume is usually set on each handset, so you should be able to turn the bedroom ringer off and leave the others at normal volume if that might work for you.
>>>> 
>>>> My experience of DECT handsets is that everything is fine initially, but if one handset packs up, unless it's a popular and recent brand, you won't be able to find a replacement handset.  Although other handsets can theoretically be connected, they won't be able to access things like stored phone numbers or special features. Caller ID is a feature worth having, but may incur extra charges from your service provider. Get handsets where the rechargeable batteries are standard user-replaceable AAA cells.  Manufacturers seem to supply them with poor quality batteries.
>>>> 
>>>> Personally I prefer a built-in answering machine rather than a service provide by the phone company.  If called from a number we don't recognise, the call is left to the answer machine and if it turns out to be a person that you want to speak to, you can monitor the call on the answerphone speaker and pick up the phone should you chose to.  If you really don't want an answerphone but it's built in to the system you otherwise like, it can be turned off so that all calls have to be answered manually. Some can be set to only answer after a lot of rings, which means you normally answer it within that time, but if you're not in, it gets answered.
>>>> 
>>>> Reading about the features on adverts and web sites doesn't always answer your questions.  It's sometimes worth trying to download the user manual for a product you're planning on buying to see what it really can do.
>>>> 
>>>> We use our mobiles almost exclusively these days and the calls are cheaper than they would be on a landline.  If we didn't need a landline to get broadband, we would have stopped using it years ago. There seem to be fewer DECT phones in shops than there used to be. I assume that is down to cellphones being ubiquitous.
>>>> 
>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 23 Aug . 17:55, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would like to install a three handset cordless phones here, but all seem to come with loads of gizmos. I don't want blocked calls, answering machines, etc. but if that's the only thing now available, as long as you can turn it off (answering machine) or ignore it, then I might consider it. It also needs to have the capability of turning off any ringing (for night time usage) and also volume set as LOUD AS POSSIBLE for my wife who is exceptionally hard of hearing.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have searched the web, and read reviews, but I can't find anything reliable or meaningful in them. I'm hoping that I may manage to have some suitable suggestions from the experts on this chatty list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.
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From chris at chriswoolf.co.uk  Mon Aug 24 04:37:20 2020
From: chris at chriswoolf.co.uk (Chris Woolf)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 10:37:20 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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I had to change my DECT phones recently in order to improve coverage and 
sound quality. The originals were Panasonics but we were getting 
problems with intelligibility on a poor quality landline.

I swapped to a mixed system of VOIP and analogue, but using Gigaset 
handsets. These gave a massive improvement in sound quality and far 
fewer dead spots round the house.

The C430 handset (and most others in the range) can store 150 full 
records (name, three numbers, ringtone group etc) just like a mobile.

The E290 is an amplified / hearing aid compatible handset, with larger 
buttons and large font display, (and 150entry memory). E290A for the 
answerphone version;}

It is, of course, a German company, and the stuff shows it in terms of 
quality.

You can't transfer contacts from a mobile to a landline connected 
Gigaset - no way to pass the information - but if you have a VOIP 
connected one then, yes you can - there's a specific app to do it.

Don't believe what lesser manufacturers tell you!

Chris Woolf


On 23/08/2020 20:28, Mike Giles via Tech1 wrote:
> One thing I find frustrating is that there is no way to transfer 
> contacts from your mobile phone or computer to landline handsets, even 
> though they have memories. I realise that the average handset memory 
> is probably only 30 or so, but if a mobile phone can manage hundreds 
> of numbers, why can?t a landline handset?
>
> Mike G
>
>
>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 19:00, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> I have a set of BT 4600 DECT phones which have an 'amplify' button, 
>> but the volume boost is minimal. You can get DECT phones labelled HAC 
>> ( Hearing Aid Compatible ), which may be of use, but I don't know 
>> anything about them. ?My mother was very deaf and although I got her 
>> a wired telephone which she could use via her hearing aid, she 
>> couldn't hear it ring, especially if she had the TV on with the 
>> volume turned up. ?The flashing light on the phone rarely caught her 
>> attention. ?I ended up installing plug-in ringers in her kitchen and 
>> lounge so that she was alerted that somebody was calling. On DECT 
>> phones, the ringer volume is usually set on each handset, so you 
>> should be able to turn the bedroom ringer off and leave the others at 
>> normal volume if that might work for you.
>>
>> My experience of DECT handsets is that everything is fine initially, 
>> but if one handset packs up, unless it's a popular and recent brand, 
>> you won't be able to find a replacement handset. ?Although other 
>> handsets can theoretically be connected, they won't be able to access 
>> things like stored phone numbers or special features. Caller ID is a 
>> feature worth having, but may incur extra charges from your service 
>> provider. Get handsets where the rechargeable batteries are standard 
>> user-replaceable AAA cells. ?Manufacturers seem to supply them with 
>> poor quality batteries.
>>
>> Personally I prefer a built-in answering machine rather than a 
>> service provide by the phone company. ?If called from a number we 
>> don't recognise, the call is left to the answer machine and if it 
>> turns out to be a person that you want to speak to, you can monitor 
>> the call on the answerphone speaker and pick up the phone should you 
>> chose to. ?If you really don't want an answerphone but it's built in 
>> to the system you otherwise like, it can be turned off so that all 
>> calls have to be answered manually. Some can be set to only answer 
>> after a lot of rings, which means you normally answer it within that 
>> time, but if you're not in, it gets answered.
>>
>> Reading about the features on adverts and web sites doesn't always 
>> answer your questions. ?It's sometimes worth trying to download the 
>> user manual for a product you're planning on buying to see what it 
>> really can do.
>>
>> We use our mobiles almost exclusively these days and the calls are 
>> cheaper than they would be on a landline. ?If we didn't need a 
>> landline to get broadband, we would have stopped using it years ago. 
>> There seem to be fewer DECT phones in shops than there used to be. I 
>> assume that is down to cellphones being ubiquitous.
>>
>> Alan Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 Aug 2020, at 23 Aug . 17:55, techtone via Tech1 
>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>> I would like to install a three handset cordless phones here, but 
>>> all seem to come with loads of gizmos. I don't want blocked calls, 
>>> answering machines, etc. but if that's the only thing now available, 
>>> as long as you can turn it off (answering machine) or ignore it, 
>>> then I might consider it. It also needs to have the capability of 
>>> turning off any ringing (for night time usage) and also volume set 
>>> as LOUD AS POSSIBLE for my wife who is exceptionally hard of hearing.
>>>
>>> I have searched the web, and read reviews, but I can't find anything 
>>> reliable or meaningful in them. I'm hoping that I may manage to have 
>>> some suitable suggestions from the experts on this chatty list.
>>>
>>> TeaTeaFN - Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent with ProtonMail <https://protonmail.com/> Secure Email.
>>>
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From rogerbunce at btinternet.com  Mon Aug 24 08:10:12 2020
From: rogerbunce at btinternet.com (ROGER BUNCE)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:10:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tech1] Re Training Film
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I sent this some days ago - when we were talking about that Training film - the one with the toy cameras - but it doesn't seem to have got through. I know the conversation has moved on since then, but here's a re-send.
What a fantastic film! - especially the toy cameras and cranes.
Agreed. The Vision Mixer is not Shirley, nor Nola, who, in my memory, had short fair hair. In those days the BBC's internal attachment system was flourishing, and a large number of Vision Mixers only appeared on 6-month training attachments.
Loved working with Chris Barry, always calm and well organised. In later life, I'm told I looked like him, but not at the same time. In 1968 I still had hair.
Does anyone recognise the one Cameraman who is seen clearly? My guess is that it could be Stuart Lindley.
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From dudley.darby at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 08:50:23 2020
From: dudley.darby at gmail.com (Dudley Darby)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 14:50:23 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Re Training Film
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Hi Rog

 

Agree not Shirley or Nola. I think she may have been one of the attachees
from radio, only there for a short time. Definately Stu Lindley on the
camera.

 

That model (or something very similar) appeared in a glass case for a short
time in a corner of Reception (Stage Door as it later became) first with a
sheet over it which those of us curious enough took a peek underneath. It
disappeared from there and surfaced later in the back of the second floor
observation room of, I think, TC3. It then disappeared, but for a while it
stood in the Puppet Studio at the back of TC5.

 

Dudley

 

Dudley C. Darby

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of ROGER BUNCE
via Tech1
Sent: 24 August 2020 14:10
To: Tech-Ops-chit-chat
Subject: [Tech1] Re Training Film

 

I sent this some days ago - when we were talking about that Training film -
the one with the toy cameras - but it doesn't seem to have got through. I
know the conversation has moved on since then, but here's a re-send.

 

What a fantastic film! - especially the toy cameras and cranes.

 

Agreed. The Vision Mixer is not Shirley, nor Nola, who, in my memory, had
short fair hair. In those days the BBC's internal attachment system was
flourishing, and a large number of Vision Mixers only appeared on 6-month
training attachments.

 

Loved working with Chris Barry, always calm and well organised. In later
life, I'm told I looked like him, but not at the same time. In 1968 I still
had hair.

 

Does anyone recognise the one Cameraman who is seen clearly? My guess is
that it could be Stuart Lindley.

 

luv, Rog.



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From techtone at protonmail.com  Mon Aug 24 14:16:01 2020
From: techtone at protonmail.com (techtone)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 19:16:01 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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Thank you for your replies so far. Funnily enough, I had decided to buy Gigaset (I believe it's a Siemen's company, which my sister swears by as she had to evaluate them for radiography - thank goodness our local hospital has Siemens Xray equipment!) but having trawled the internet, read reviews, ploughed through the specs, etc. and found what should do everything I want - not available, don't know when it'll be back, etc. Sod it, try again, find another (more expensive) Gigaset handset, trawl through.......oh, I've told you all that, OK that''ll do........not available, don't know when I'll retain my sanity.

I appreciate all the drawbacks you've mentioned about dect phones, but I don't need to transfer loads of info, I just need an ancillary phone for a bedroom that doesn't ring, but has a loud volume for incoming voice. I decided to buy a trio, so the base station could be easily plugged to a BT socket, and then we could place the other two sets wherever was convenient at the time (boss suggests bathroom, but I don't think the 'atmosphere' would be kind, and anyhow, there's no electric socket of course).

And yes, we've previously asked incoming callers to ring back on our mobile number if it's more convenient for us to chat elsewhere around the property. So, I think the upshot is, assuming we want to go down this route, we have to fork out more than we estimated, or stick with mobiles, which could well prove to be the easiest (=cheapest).

TeaTeaFN - Tony

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From graeme.wall at icloud.com  Mon Aug 24 14:56:49 2020
From: graeme.wall at icloud.com (Graeme Wall)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 20:56:49 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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I?ve a set of Gigaset phones, they are fine but be aware when the batteries go in one handset you need to change them all as the others follow swftly!
? 
Graeme Wall


> On 24 Aug 2020, at 20:16, techtone via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your replies so far. Funnily enough, I had decided to buy Gigaset (I believe it's a Siemen's company, which my sister swears by as she had to evaluate them for radiography - thank goodness our local hospital has Siemens Xray equipment!) but having trawled the internet, read reviews, ploughed through the specs, etc. and found what should do everything I want - not available, don't know when it'll be back, etc. Sod it, try again, find another (more expensive) Gigaset handset, trawl through.......oh, I've told you all that, OK that''ll do........not available, don't know when I'll retain my sanity.
> 
> I appreciate all the drawbacks you've mentioned about dect phones, but I don't need to transfer loads of info, I just need an ancillary phone for a bedroom that doesn't ring, but has a loud volume for incoming voice. I decided to buy a trio, so the base station could be easily plugged to a BT socket, and then we could place the other two sets wherever was convenient at the time (boss suggests bathroom, but I don't think the 'atmosphere' would be kind, and anyhow, there's no electric socket of course).
> 
> And yes, we've previously asked incoming callers to ring back on our mobile number if it's more convenient for us to chat elsewhere around the property. So, I think the upshot is, assuming we want to go down this route, we have to fork out more than we estimated, or stick with mobiles, which could well prove to be the easiest (=cheapest).
> 
> TeaTeaFN - Tony
> 
> 
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From alanaudio at me.com  Tue Aug 25 02:17:13 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:17:13 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Journalist explaining technology
Message-ID: <D4DE87E0-19A1-4B07-BA94-A7B4D598D79F@me.com>

The Daily Mirror is running a story about a collection of Sony  CV-2000 video tapes of BBC programmes from the 1970s, which are about to be auctioned.

I do love the way that the journalist displays his comprehensive understanding of technology.  In the days when sub editors used to be employed,  nonsense of this type might have been spotted before publication.

From the article .... ?The Beeb used to record over old film to save money before it was possible to transfer footage to video.?

And just for bonus points, he refers to the recordings as cassettes, while the photograph clearly shows that they are reels of tape.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276


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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug 25 03:59:49 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:59:49 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Journalist explaining technology
Message-ID: <DB8P189MB0886F9B5EF02833617E67622A7570@DB8P189MB0886.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

?The way I read that, he recorded them on his CV-2000, which was an open reel half inch tape machine, then copied to cassette (poss Betamax, maybe VHS), before selling the tapes. You can google the CV-2000 and select ?images?.
The last bit about copyright, I think says you buy the programmetepes but you don?t buy the copyright.
The bit about recording over old film is obviously the wrong way round. I do know that progs thought worth preserving were copied from 2? VTR to film for archiving. And of course, before that when live progs like Z-Cars went out live, they were telerecorded on 16mm.
For some years I had a full hour long episode of Z-Cars on a 16mm reel of B&W with optical sound. My old friend, and to some extent mentor, Harold Dines at Ealing, used to check prints as they came in from the labs and reject them if they were in any way substandard. Whether he always ordered a re-print I don?t know. He gave me a very early Z-Cars episode that had fairly bad print-over (optical soundtrack that overlapped the sprocket holes causing a rumbling noise). Nowadays that could easily be sampled and removed.
I used to store belongings that I didn?t have room for (in wherever I happened to be living at the time), in my Mum?s bungalow attic. She moved from Guildford to Wonersh, then Wonersh to Chichester, then another move elsewhere in Chichester, and then to West Wittering, and finally to Bramley, to a flat that had no attic. Which attic that X-Cars and a lot of my other stored goodies got left behind in, I never discovered! Pity, it would probably have some archive value now. There was a Rolleiflex and MPP colour enlarger up there too.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 25 Aug 2020, at 08:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
The Daily Mirror is running a story about a collection of Sony  CV-2000 video tapes of BBC programmes from the 1970s, which are about to be auctioned.

I do love the way that the journalist displays his comprehensive understanding of technology.  In the days when sub editors used to be employed,  nonsense of this type might have been spotted before publication.

From the article .... ?The Beeb used to record over old film to save money before it was possible to transfer footage to video.?

And just for bonus points, he refers to the recordings as cassettes, while the photograph clearly shows that they are reels of tape.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276


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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug 25 04:03:34 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 09:03:34 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Journalist explaining technology
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programme tapes ! (iPad!)
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 25 Aug 2020, at 09:59, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:

?
?The way I read that, he recorded them on his CV-2000, which was an open reel half inch tape machine, then copied to cassette (poss Betamax, maybe VHS), before selling the tapes. You can google the CV-2000 and select ?images?.
The last bit about copyright, I think says you buy the programmetepes but you don?t buy the copyright.
The bit about recording over old film is obviously the wrong way round. I do know that progs thought worth preserving were copied from 2? VTR to film for archiving. And of course, before that when live progs like Z-Cars went out live, they were telerecorded on 16mm.
For some years I had a full hour long episode of Z-Cars on a 16mm reel of B&W with optical sound. My old friend, and to some extent mentor, Harold Dines at Ealing, used to check prints as they came in from the labs and reject them if they were in any way substandard. Whether he always ordered a re-print I don?t know. He gave me a very early Z-Cars episode that had fairly bad print-over (optical soundtrack that overlapped the sprocket holes causing a rumbling noise). Nowadays that could easily be sampled and removed.
I used to store belongings that I didn?t have room for (in wherever I happened to be living at the time), in my Mum?s bungalow attic. She moved from Guildford to Wonersh, then Wonersh to Chichester, then another move elsewhere in Chichester, and then to West Wittering, and finally to Bramley, to a flat that had no attic. Which attic that X-Cars and a lot of my other stored goodies got left behind in, I never discovered! Pity, it would probably have some archive value now. There was a Rolleiflex and MPP colour enlarger up there too.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 25 Aug 2020, at 08:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
The Daily Mirror is running a story about a collection of Sony  CV-2000 video tapes of BBC programmes from the 1970s, which are about to be auctioned.

I do love the way that the journalist displays his comprehensive understanding of technology.  In the days when sub editors used to be employed,  nonsense of this type might have been spotted before publication.

From the article .... ?The Beeb used to record over old film to save money before it was possible to transfer footage to video.?

And just for bonus points, he refers to the recordings as cassettes, while the photograph clearly shows that they are reels of tape.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276


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From relong at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 25 04:35:05 2020
From: relong at btinternet.com (Roger E Long)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:35:05 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Journalist explaining technology
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Journalists explaining!
I think it must be the subs fault, they crank a story now for moronic content.
The papers are in fatal decline , their credibility questioned.
All sources are now suspect, the 4th Estate is in bad order, bias is endemic and omission obvious .
Back to Harold Dines, he ran TFS Transfer suite for many years until Ken Barrett took over.
Com Opt Westrex machines were common in Xfer suites, they could be very capable in experienced hands, but I ran Ally Pally Transfer and Dubbing record for a while and the quality of optical recording coming in from the States was diabolical, however hearing restored optical tracks on Hollywood movies reveals real quality.
The amount of junked TK in skips around BBC premises revealed the culling of the archives, the projectionists were always scouting for gems, BBC skips would make a great BBC4 doco , my colleague found his entire Arriflex SR channel in one in Glasgow?..
Roger

> On 25 Aug 2020, at 09:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> ?The way I read that, he recorded them on his CV-2000, which was an open reel half inch tape machine, then copied to cassette (poss Betamax, maybe VHS), before selling the tapes. You can google the CV-2000 and select ?images?.
> The last bit about copyright, I think says you buy the programmetepes but you don?t buy the copyright.
> The bit about recording over old film is obviously the wrong way round. I do know that progs thought worth preserving were copied from 2? VTR to film for archiving. And of course, before that when live progs like Z-Cars went out live, they were telerecorded on 16mm.
> For some years I had a full hour long episode of Z-Cars on a 16mm reel of B&W with optical sound. My old friend, and to some extent mentor, Harold Dines at Ealing, used to check prints as they came in from the labs and reject them if they were in any way substandard. Whether he always ordered a re-print I don?t know. He gave me a very early Z-Cars episode that had fairly bad print-over (optical soundtrack that overlapped the sprocket holes causing a rumbling noise). Nowadays that could easily be sampled and removed.
> I used to store belongings that I didn?t have room for (in wherever I happened to be living at the time), in my Mum?s bungalow attic. She moved from Guildford to Wonersh, then Wonersh to Chichester, then another move elsewhere in Chichester, and then to West Wittering, and finally to Bramley, to a flat that had no attic. Which attic that X-Cars and a lot of my other stored goodies got left behind in, I never discovered! Pity, it would probably have some archive value now. There was a Rolleiflex and MPP colour enlarger up there too.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
> 
>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 08:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> The Daily Mirror is running a story about a collection of Sony  CV-2000 video tapes of BBC programmes from the 1970s, which are about to be auctioned.
>> 
>> I do love the way that the journalist displays his comprehensive understanding of technology.  In the days when sub editors used to be employed,  nonsense of this type might have been spotted before publication.
>> 
>> From the article .... ?The Beeb used to record over old film to save money before it was possible to transfer footage to video.?
>> 
>> And just for bonus points, he refers to the recordings as cassettes, while the photograph clearly shows that they are reels of tape.
>> 
>> https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276 <https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276>
>> 
>> 
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 25 04:34:19 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:34:19 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] DECT phones
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In article <5881D8B6-60B3-4EC4-8B34-702AA3F483C5 at icloud.com>,
   Graeme Wall via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> I?ve a set of Gigaset phones, they are fine but be aware when the
> batteries go in one handset you need to change them all as the others
> follow swftly!

Worth making sure before buying that it uses standard cells - rather than
a 'special'. But perhaps new ones have moved on to Li-Ion, which with a
well designed charger should have the same life as the phone.  

I've got several DECT phones here. Best one I have is Panasonic. 

A multi-pack may well come with an answer phone in the base station. But
you don't have to use it.

-- 
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From richardjblencowe at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 04:38:21 2020
From: richardjblencowe at gmail.com (Richard Blencowe)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:38:21 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] TV with iplayer
Message-ID: <001501d67ac3$792e09c0$6b8a1d40$@com>

Hi Guys,

 

We are thinking of getting a new 50? TV and as our 6 year old Sony TV has
stopped playing BBC iplayer we thought that this would be a good time.
Judging by comments and reviews even several new models are not compatible
with iplayer. Anyone have experience of new TV?s that are compatible with
iplayer, youtube, prime, Netflix, itv hub etc? It seems a minefield as to
what model to go for. Not too keen on QLED but apart from that any
manufacturer considered up about ?800.

 

Any suggestions?

 

Dick Blencowe



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From waresound at msn.com  Tue Aug 25 05:38:35 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 10:38:35 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd:  Journalist explaining technology
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From: Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
Date: 25 August 2020 at 11:37:01 BST
To: Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com
Subject: Re:  [Tech1] Journalist explaining technology

? As I remember it then, the Beeb weren?t allowed to give or sell redundant gear to staff, because it was all strictly speaking, public property.
Same applied during my eleven years part-time teaching Sound at what was then Guildford Art School, where everything considered redundant, or even broken beyond economic repair, went up in the very spacious loft space. I wouldn?t be surprised if it?s all still there.

Newspapers are yesterday?s news!
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 25 Aug 2020, at 10:35, Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:

? Journalists explaining!
I think it must be the subs fault, they crank a story now for moronic content.
The papers are in fatal decline , their credibility questioned.
All sources are now suspect, the 4th Estate is in bad order, bias is endemic and omission obvious .
Back to Harold Dines, he ran TFS Transfer suite for many years until Ken Barrett took over.
Com Opt Westrex machines were common in Xfer suites, they could be very capable in experienced hands, but I ran Ally Pally Transfer and Dubbing record for a while and the quality of optical recording coming in from the States was diabolical, however hearing restored optical tracks on Hollywood movies reveals real quality.
The amount of junked TK in skips around BBC premises revealed the culling of the archives, the projectionists were always scouting for gems, BBC skips would make a great BBC4 doco , my colleague found his entire Arriflex SR channel in one in Glasgow?..
Roger

On 25 Aug 2020, at 09:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?The way I read that, he recorded them on his CV-2000, which was an open reel half inch tape machine, then copied to cassette (poss Betamax, maybe VHS), before selling the tapes. You can google the CV-2000 and select ?images?.
The last bit about copyright, I think says you buy the programmetepes but you don?t buy the copyright.
The bit about recording over old film is obviously the wrong way round. I do know that progs thought worth preserving were copied from 2? VTR to film for archiving. And of course, before that when live progs like Z-Cars went out live, they were telerecorded on 16mm.
For some years I had a full hour long episode of Z-Cars on a 16mm reel of B&W with optical sound. My old friend, and to some extent mentor, Harold Dines at Ealing, used to check prints as they came in from the labs and reject them if they were in any way substandard. Whether he always ordered a re-print I don?t know. He gave me a very early Z-Cars episode that had fairly bad print-over (optical soundtrack that overlapped the sprocket holes causing a rumbling noise). Nowadays that could easily be sampled and removed.
I used to store belongings that I didn?t have room for (in wherever I happened to be living at the time), in my Mum?s bungalow attic. She moved from Guildford to Wonersh, then Wonersh to Chichester, then another move elsewhere in Chichester, and then to West Wittering, and finally to Bramley, to a flat that had no attic. Which attic that X-Cars and a lot of my other stored goodies got left behind in, I never discovered! Pity, it would probably have some archive value now. There was a Rolleiflex and MPP colour enlarger up there too.
Cheers,
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 25 Aug 2020, at 08:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:

?
The Daily Mirror is running a story about a collection of Sony  CV-2000 video tapes of BBC programmes from the 1970s, which are about to be auctioned.

I do love the way that the journalist displays his comprehensive understanding of technology.  In the days when sub editors used to be employed,  nonsense of this type might have been spotted before publication.

From the article .... ?The Beeb used to record over old film to save money before it was possible to transfer footage to video.?

And just for bonus points, he refers to the recordings as cassettes, while the photograph clearly shows that they are reels of tape.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276


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From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Tue Aug 25 18:29:32 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 00:29:32 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Journalist explaining technology
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Quite right Nick! Most of the Beeb's redundant stock went to a shop in 
Worcester (convenient for the Evesham prisoners!) or another one by 
Leeds Central Station (in which a certain member of Manchester OBs had a 
stake!). Cheers, Dave

On 25/08/2020 11:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> *From:* Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
>> *Date:* 25 August 2020 at 11:37:01 BST
>> *To:* Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com
>> *Subject:* *Re:? [Tech1] Journalist explaining technology*
>>
>> ? As I remember it then, the Beeb weren?t allowed to give or sell 
>> redundant gear to staff, because it was all strictly speaking, public 
>> property.
>> Same applied during my eleven years part-time teaching Sound at what 
>> was then Guildford Art School, where everything considered redundant, 
>> or even broken beyond economic repair, went up in the very spacious 
>> loft space. I wouldn?t be surprised if it?s all still there.
>>
>> Newspapers are yesterday?s news!
>> Cheers,
>> Nick.
>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>
>>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 10:35, Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ? Journalists explaining!
>>> I think it must be the subs fault, they crank a story now for 
>>> moronic content.
>>> The papers are in fatal decline , their credibility questioned.
>>> All sources are now suspect, the 4th Estate is in bad order, bias is 
>>> endemic and omission obvious .
>>> Back to Harold Dines, he ran TFS Transfer suite for many years until 
>>> Ken Barrett took over.
>>> Com Opt Westrex machines were common in Xfer suites, they could be 
>>> very capable in experienced hands, but I ran Ally Pally Transfer and 
>>> Dubbing record for a while and the quality of optical recording 
>>> coming in from the States was diabolical, however hearing restored 
>>> optical tracks on Hollywood movies reveals real quality.
>>> The amount of junked TK in skips around BBC premises revealed the 
>>> culling of the archives, the projectionists were always scouting for 
>>> gems, BBC skips would make a great BBC4 doco , my colleague found 
>>> his entire Arriflex SR channel in one in Glasgow?..
>>> Roger
>>>
>>>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 09:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk 
>>>> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?The way I read that, he recorded them on his CV-2000, which was an 
>>>> open reel half inch tape machine, then copied to cassette (poss 
>>>> Betamax, maybe VHS), before selling the tapes. You can google the 
>>>> CV-2000 and select ?images?.
>>>> The last bit about copyright, I think says you buy the 
>>>> programmetepes but you don?t buy the copyright.
>>>> The bit about recording over old film is obviously the wrong way 
>>>> round. I do know that progs thought worth preserving were copied 
>>>> from 2? VTR to film for archiving. And of course, before that when 
>>>> live progs like Z-Cars went out live, they were telerecorded on 16mm.
>>>> For some years I had a full hour long episode of Z-Cars on a 16mm 
>>>> reel of B&W with optical sound. My old friend, and to some extent 
>>>> mentor, Harold Dines at Ealing, used to check prints as they came 
>>>> in from the labs and reject them if they were in any way 
>>>> substandard. Whether he always ordered a re-print I don?t know. He 
>>>> gave me a very early Z-Cars episode that had fairly bad print-over 
>>>> (optical soundtrack that overlapped the sprocket holes causing a 
>>>> rumbling noise). Nowadays that could easily be sampled and removed.
>>>> I used to store belongings that I didn?t have room for (in wherever 
>>>> I happened to be living at the time), in my Mum?s bungalow attic. 
>>>> She moved from Guildford to Wonersh, then Wonersh to Chichester, 
>>>> then another move elsewhere in Chichester, and then to West 
>>>> Wittering, and finally to Bramley, to a flat that had no attic. 
>>>> Which attic that X-Cars and a lot of my other stored goodies got 
>>>> left behind in, I never discovered! Pity, it would probably have 
>>>> some archive value now. There was a Rolleiflex and MPP colour 
>>>> enlarger up there too.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Nick.
>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 08:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?
>>>>> The Daily Mirror is running a story about a collection of Sony 
>>>>> ?CV-2000 video tapes of BBC programmes from the 1970s, which are 
>>>>> about to be auctioned.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do love the way that the journalist displays his comprehensive 
>>>>> understanding of technology. ?In the days when sub editors used to 
>>>>> be employed, ?nonsense of this type might have been spotted before 
>>>>> publication.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the article .... ?The Beeb used to record over old film to 
>>>>> save money before it was possible to transfer footage to video.?
>>>>>
>>>>> And just for bonus points, he refers to the recordings as 
>>>>> cassettes, while the photograph clearly shows that they are reels 
>>>>> of tape.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 03:19:44 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 09:19:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Journalist explaining technology
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Kingston University also didn't sell anything off,? just stored for a 
rainy day.? After I stopped working there and started doing U3A I asked 
if I could buy some old unused-for-years kit.? "No, but you could have 
it on long term loan".? And I still have it if they want it back.

B



On 26/08/2020 00:29, dave.mdv via Tech1 wrote:
>
> Quite right Nick! Most of the Beeb's redundant stock went to a shop in 
> Worcester (convenient for the Evesham prisoners!) or another one by 
> Leeds Central Station (in which a certain member of Manchester OBs had 
> a stake!). Cheers, Dave
>
> On 25/08/2020 11:38, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
>> *From:* Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com>
>>> *Date:* 25 August 2020 at 11:37:01 BST
>>> *To:* Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com
>>> *Subject:* *Re:? [Tech1] Journalist explaining technology*
>>>
>>> ? As I remember it then, the Beeb weren?t allowed to give or sell 
>>> redundant gear to staff, because it was all strictly speaking, 
>>> public property.
>>> Same applied during my eleven years part-time teaching Sound at what 
>>> was then Guildford Art School, where everything considered 
>>> redundant, or even broken beyond economic repair, went up in the 
>>> very spacious loft space. I wouldn?t be surprised if it?s all still 
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Newspapers are yesterday?s news!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nick.
>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>
>>>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 10:35, Roger E Long <relong at btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ? Journalists explaining!
>>>> I think it must be the subs fault, they crank a story now for 
>>>> moronic content.
>>>> The papers are in fatal decline , their credibility questioned.
>>>> All sources are now suspect, the 4th Estate is in bad order, bias 
>>>> is endemic and omission obvious .
>>>> Back to Harold Dines, he ran TFS Transfer suite for many years 
>>>> until Ken Barrett took over.
>>>> Com Opt Westrex machines were common in Xfer suites, they could be 
>>>> very capable in experienced hands, but I ran Ally Pally Transfer 
>>>> and Dubbing record for a while and the quality of optical recording 
>>>> coming in from the States was diabolical, however hearing restored 
>>>> optical tracks on Hollywood movies reveals real quality.
>>>> The amount of junked TK in skips around BBC premises revealed the 
>>>> culling of the archives, the projectionists were always scouting 
>>>> for gems, BBC skips would make a great BBC4 doco , my colleague 
>>>> found his entire Arriflex SR channel in one in Glasgow?..
>>>> Roger
>>>>
>>>>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 09:59, Nick Ware via Tech1 
>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?The way I read that, he recorded them on his CV-2000, which was 
>>>>> an open reel half inch tape machine, then copied to cassette (poss 
>>>>> Betamax, maybe VHS), before selling the tapes. You can google the 
>>>>> CV-2000 and select ?images?.
>>>>> The last bit about copyright, I think says you buy the 
>>>>> programmetepes but you don?t buy the copyright.
>>>>> The bit about recording over old film is obviously the wrong way 
>>>>> round. I do know that progs thought worth preserving were copied 
>>>>> from 2? VTR to film for archiving. And of course, before that when 
>>>>> live progs like Z-Cars went out live, they were telerecorded on 16mm.
>>>>> For some years I had a full hour long episode of Z-Cars on a 16mm 
>>>>> reel of B&W with optical sound. My old friend, and to some extent 
>>>>> mentor, Harold Dines at Ealing, used to check prints as they came 
>>>>> in from the labs and reject them if they were in any way 
>>>>> substandard. Whether he always ordered a re-print I don?t know. He 
>>>>> gave me a very early Z-Cars episode that had fairly bad print-over 
>>>>> (optical soundtrack that overlapped the sprocket holes causing a 
>>>>> rumbling noise). Nowadays that could easily be sampled and removed.
>>>>> I used to store belongings that I didn?t have room for (in 
>>>>> wherever I happened to be living at the time), in my Mum?s 
>>>>> bungalow attic. She moved from Guildford to Wonersh, then Wonersh 
>>>>> to Chichester, then another move elsewhere in Chichester, and then 
>>>>> to West Wittering, and finally to Bramley, to a flat that had no 
>>>>> attic. Which attic that X-Cars and a lot of my other stored 
>>>>> goodies got left behind in, I never discovered! Pity, it would 
>>>>> probably have some archive value now. There was a Rolleiflex and 
>>>>> MPP colour enlarger up there too.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Nick.
>>>>> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 Aug 2020, at 08:17, Alan Taylor via Tech1 
>>>>>> <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> The Daily Mirror is running a story about a collection of Sony 
>>>>>> ?CV-2000 video tapes of BBC programmes from the 1970s, which are 
>>>>>> about to be auctioned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do love the way that the journalist displays his comprehensive 
>>>>>> understanding of technology. ?In the days when sub editors used 
>>>>>> to be employed, ?nonsense of this type might have been spotted 
>>>>>> before publication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the article .... ?The Beeb used to record over old film to 
>>>>>> save money before it was possible to transfer footage to video.?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And just for bonus points, he refers to the recordings as 
>>>>>> cassettes, while the photograph clearly shows that they are reels 
>>>>>> of tape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/unseen-top-pops-footage-finally-22571276
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alan Taylor
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Tech1 mailing list
>>>>> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>>>> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>>>>
>>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Wed Aug 26 04:30:44 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 10:30:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Fwd: Journalist explaining technology
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For quite some time in recent years, sold at auction by Peake Pattison.
Mainly online. Got quite a few bargains there. And likely made more money
for the BBEB than passing it on to a couple of dealers. 


In article <29dd78a3-4de4-aa64-ca08-6b0d65411da7 at btinternet.com>,
   dave.mdv via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> Quite right Nick! Most of the Beeb's redundant stock went to a shop in 
> Worcester (convenient for the Evesham prisoners!) or another one by 
> Leeds Central Station (in which a certain member of Manchester OBs had a 
> stake!). Cheers, Dave

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alec.bray.2 at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 03:54:03 2020
From: alec.bray.2 at gmail.com (Alec Bray)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 09:54:03 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our Yorkshire Farm - filmed on phones
Message-ID: <e9ee871e-8bca-2a79-c39a-ca2781bd7b1b@gmail.com>

Hi,

It is possible to make an outstanding TV production with amateurs and 
iPhones.

Helped, of course, by idyllic scenery ...

Amanda Owen filmed the last episode of "Our Yorkshire Farm" on her iPhone.

yorkfarm 2


"Our Yorkshire Farm" (Channel 5) has been the most-watched programme in 
a 9pm slot for two weeks in a row, and the last episode was set in 
lockdown. No TV crews allowed on site ...

Amanda (and the children) did the camerawork and sound ..


yorkfarm 3


And then there was "Clem Cam" with the camera strapped to the head of 
four-year old Clem:

ClemCam 1


For the most of the programme, the picture quality and framing would put 
some some professional crews to shame (OK,? a bit of an exaggeration, 
but I wonder how many of the audience would have noticed any difference 
to then profession crew work).? And ClemCam etc was charming!


It just shows what can be done.


-- 
Best Regards

Alec

Alec Bray

alec.bray.2 at gmail.com
mob:    07789 561 346
home:   0118 981 7502

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From davesound at btinternet.com  Thu Aug 27 05:11:14 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:11:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our Yorkshire Farm - filmed on phones
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References: <e9ee871e-8bca-2a79-c39a-ca2781bd7b1b@gmail.com>
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In article <e9ee871e-8bca-2a79-c39a-ca2781bd7b1b at gmail.com>,
   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> "Our Yorkshire Farm" (Channel 5) has been the most-watched programme in 
> a 9pm slot for two weeks in a row,

Is that Ch5 only, or across all networks?

-- 
    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
    


From alanaudio at me.com  Thu Aug 27 05:54:44 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:54:44 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our Yorkshire Farm - filmed on phones
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References: <e9ee871e-8bca-2a79-c39a-ca2781bd7b1b@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <F764D85E-B570-4D88-B804-F63A01B2794D@me.com>

Being the most popular programme across the networks is greatly affected by what it's up against.  This Tuesday it had a repeat of Who Do You Think You Are? On 1, Manctopia on 2, A repeat of Morse on 3 and Manctopia on 4 with a programme about the Yorkshire Ripper on BBC Four.

The show is pretty good, but it was up against rather poor competition.

Alan Taylor



On 27 Aug 2020, at 27 Aug . 11:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <e9ee871e-8bca-2a79-c39a-ca2781bd7b1b at gmail.com>,
>   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> "Our Yorkshire Farm" (Channel 5) has been the most-watched programme in 
>> a 9pm slot for two weeks in a row,
> 
> Is that Ch5 only, or across all networks?
> 
> -- 
>    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tech1 mailing list
> Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk



From brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 06:04:06 2020
From: brian.curtis.bluesky at gmail.com (Brian Curtis)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 12:04:06 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Our Yorkshire Farm - filmed on phones
In-Reply-To: <F764D85E-B570-4D88-B804-F63A01B2794D@me.com>
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We watched it and it was very well done by Amanda and family right down to
Clem Cam. The sound was pretty good too only a little bit of wind noise but
that's to be expected out on the moors with iPhones.

Brian

On Thu, 27 Aug 2020, 11:55 Alan Taylor via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> Being the most popular programme across the networks is greatly affected
> by what it's up against.  This Tuesday it had a repeat of Who Do You Think
> You Are? On 1, Manctopia on 2, A repeat of Morse on 3 and Manctopia on 4
> with a programme about the Yorkshire Ripper on BBC Four.
>
> The show is pretty good, but it was up against rather poor competition.
>
> Alan Taylor
>
>
>
> On 27 Aug 2020, at 27 Aug . 11:11, Dave Plowman via Tech1 <
> tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <e9ee871e-8bca-2a79-c39a-ca2781bd7b1b at gmail.com>,
> >   Alec Bray via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> >> "Our Yorkshire Farm" (Channel 5) has been the most-watched programme in
> >> a 9pm slot for two weeks in a row,
> >
> > Is that Ch5 only, or across all networks?
> >
> > --
> >    Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12
> >
> >
> > --
> > Tech1 mailing list
> > Tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> > http://tech-ops.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/tech1_tech-ops.co.uk
>
>
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 09:58:02 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 15:58:02 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
Message-ID: <2edb55fa-6d1f-461b-1c5a-99d276d6e8bc@gmail.com>

I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I 
had a number of replies, for which thank you.? Nick Ware asked for 
feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all. 
Comments happily accepted.

I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started 
streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded, 
edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said 
I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never 
done 40 hours in a week.? Now that I've met him, he's not a show off, 
but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't 
think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.

Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept of 
line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and the 
YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone 
told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They 
abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said? "If 
only we had someone who'd done this before"......

Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system 
on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it 
tries to do everything but stir the coffee. Almost the first line in the 
user guide says "/Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you wish 
to display should be placed in this preview window first/."? At that 
point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they were IT 
people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel Blayney, and I 
remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well in a 600 shot 
show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch if you 
aren't involved.

I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I 
was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from 
here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be touched, 
apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are 
difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.? Direct 
cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras, 
as churches tend to have?? VMix allows you to set up various positions, 
but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if you 
select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you what 
to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live output 
of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer, 
squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.

The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics 
and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the 
graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies of 
VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the 
church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.? All on 
the same huge touch screen monitor.

Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that - 
it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.

So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything more 
than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a media 
source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a 
century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of teaching 
thrown in.? KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.

What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd buy 
a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get hold 
of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap 
their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that 
ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from 
free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer 
based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.

So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their 
next Sunday service via YouTube

B

PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?? If you set Vmix off 
before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see 
the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.


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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Aug 28 10:52:24 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 16:52:24 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
In-Reply-To: <2edb55fa-6d1f-461b-1c5a-99d276d6e8bc@gmail.com>
References: <2edb55fa-6d1f-461b-1c5a-99d276d6e8bc@gmail.com>
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Oh dear! Oh Dear! (says Pat).
I?ve always thought that to mount a ?broadcast? that resembles the real thing, one has to have the right kit ? like professional!
I couldn?t agree more with Bernie?s comment that the programme was designed by IT people and not broadcast engineers.

I does remind me of when I worked on ?Alien?. The sequence where the explorers leave the lander capsule and venture off, togged up in space suits was tricky for comms, as there were wind machines (Merlin aircraft engines driving huge fans and ultra noisy!) Ridley (Scott) hoped to direct his actors by having Motorola walkie-talkies fitted in the helmets, with earpieces for the actors. However, there were some shots showing lipsync through the visors, so it became necessary for the actors to be able to hear each other. A submix of the radio mics, again in the helmets was somehow introduced into the master W/T transmitter, but what was needed were speech activated boom mics and headset ? there was only one such unit in the country!
So we muddled through somehow, but what was needed was what NASA actually developed for their comms network!

Has anyone come across a small video/audio mixer that will offer
2/3/4 HDMI sources to an output, with or without switched audio plus a non-sync input for music?
I could do with one for my film shows off dual Blu-Ray players!
Best
Pat 

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From: Bernard Newnham via Tech1
Sent: 28 August 2020 15:58
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback

I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I had a number of replies, for which thank you.? Nick Ware asked for feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all. Comments happily accepted.

I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded, edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never done 40 hours in a week.? Now that I've met him, he's not a show off, but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.

Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept of line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and the YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said? "If only we had someone who'd done this before"......

Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it tries to do everything but stir the coffee.? Almost the first line in the user guide says "Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you wish to display should be placed in this preview window first."? At that point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they were IT people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel Blayney, and I remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well in a 600 shot show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch if you aren't involved.

I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be touched, apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.? Direct cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras, as churches tend to have?? VMix allows you to set up various positions, but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if you select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you what to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live output of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer, squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.

The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies of VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.? All on the same huge touch screen monitor.? 

Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that - it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.

So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything more than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a media source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of teaching thrown in.? KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.? 

What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd buy a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get hold of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.

So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their next Sunday service via YouTube

B

PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?? If you set Vmix off before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.






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From armoor.farm at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 11:10:14 2020
From: armoor.farm at gmail.com (Ian Norman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 17:10:14 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
In-Reply-To: <5f492837.1c69fb81.329d.7594@mx.google.com>
References: <2edb55fa-6d1f-461b-1c5a-99d276d6e8bc@gmail.com>
	<5f492837.1c69fb81.329d.7594@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4160ed73-0534-93b3-4bb8-8ac6139d3e6e@armoor.co.uk>

Dear Pat,

Last Sunday I streamed a service for a local church using a Blackmagic 
Atem Mini.  It has 4 HDMI inputs will convert and synchronise each input 
to match the output.  A further two audio inputs with adjustable delay 
of up to 8 frames and either mic or line level.

HDMI output can be selected as either of the four inputs, preview, live 
or HDMI 1 direct.  USB output plugs straight into a laptop and appears 
as a Webcam.  It can mix, wipe or have overlays and all for under ?300.

Will be using it again this Sunday, two static wide shots (GoPros) and 
one manned camera.

Amazing bit of kit for the price.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 28/08/2020 16:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Oh dear! Oh Dear! (says Pat).
> 
> I?ve always thought that to mount a ?broadcast? that resembles the real 
> thing, one has to have the right kit ? like professional!
> 
> I couldn?t agree more with Bernie?s comment that the programme was 
> designed by IT people and not broadcast engineers.
> 
> I does remind me of when I worked on ?Alien?. The sequence where the 
> explorers leave the lander capsule and venture off, togged up in space 
> suits was tricky for comms, as there were wind machines (Merlin aircraft 
> engines driving huge fans and ultra noisy!) Ridley (Scott) hoped to 
> direct his actors by having Motorola walkie-talkies fitted in the 
> helmets, with earpieces for the actors. However, there were some shots 
> showing lipsync through the visors, so it became necessary for the 
> actors to be able to hear each other. A submix of the radio mics, again 
> in the helmets was somehow introduced into the master W/T transmitter, 
> but what was needed were speech activated boom mics and headset ? there 
> was only _one_ such unit in the country!
> 
> So we muddled through somehow, but what was needed was what NASA 
> actually developed for their comms network!
> 
> Has anyone come across a small video/audio mixer that will offer
> 
> 2/3/4 HDMI sources to an output, with or without switched audio plus a 
> non-sync input for music?
> 
> I could do with one for my film shows off dual Blu-Ray players!
> 
> Best
> 
> Pat
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *28 August 2020 15:58
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] VMix feedback
> 
> I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I 
> had a number of replies, for which thank you.? Nick Ware asked for 
> feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all. 
> Comments happily accepted.
> 
> I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started 
> streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded, 
> edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said 
> I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never 
> done 40 hours in a week.? Now that I've met him, he's not a show off, 
> but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't 
> think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.
> 
> Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept of 
> line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and the 
> YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone 
> told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They 
> abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said? "If 
> only we had someone who'd done this before"......
> 
> Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system 
> on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it 
> tries to do everything but stir the coffee.? Almost the first line in 
> the user guide says "/Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you 
> wish to display should be placed in this preview window first/."? At 
> that point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they 
> were IT people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel 
> Blayney, and I remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well in 
> a 600 shot show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch 
> if you aren't involved.
> 
> I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I 
> was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from 
> here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be touched, 
> apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are 
> difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.? Direct 
> cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras, 
> as churches tend to have?? VMix allows you to set up various positions, 
> but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if you 
> select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you what 
> to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live output 
> of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer, 
> squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.
> 
> The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics 
> and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the 
> graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies of 
> VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the 
> church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.? All on 
> the same huge touch screen monitor.
> 
> Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that - 
> it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.
> 
> So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything more 
> than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a media 
> source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a 
> century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of teaching 
> thrown in.? KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.
> 
> What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd buy 
> a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get hold 
> of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap 
> their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that 
> ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from 
> free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer 
> based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.
> 
> So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their 
> next Sunday service via YouTube
> 
> B
> 
> PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?? If you set Vmix off 
> before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see 
> the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Fri Aug 28 12:45:15 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 18:45:15 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
In-Reply-To: <4160ed73-0534-93b3-4bb8-8ac6139d3e6e@armoor.co.uk>
References: <2edb55fa-6d1f-461b-1c5a-99d276d6e8bc@gmail.com>
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	<4160ed73-0534-93b3-4bb8-8ac6139d3e6e@armoor.co.uk>
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Thanks for that info, Ian and Bernie.
I would dearly love a desk that has slider faders for audio, and a small screen for preview or main o/p, and a lever to cross between video sources. Also the Blackmagic does not seem to have an analogue audio out ? as I feed the latter to a hi-fi system for presentation, an adaptor would be needed.  Also I use two 7? monitors to set up cueing points from two BluRay players before it goes to the projector.
The BlackMagic seems to rely on buttons.
Don?t care for that!

Pat



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From: Ian Norman via Tech1
Sent: 28 August 2020 17:10
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Cc: Ian Norman
Subject: Re: [Tech1] VMix feedback

Dear Pat,

Last Sunday I streamed a service for a local church using a Blackmagic 
Atem Mini.  It has 4 HDMI inputs will convert and synchronise each input 
to match the output.  A further two audio inputs with adjustable delay 
of up to 8 frames and either mic or line level.

HDMI output can be selected as either of the four inputs, preview, live 
or HDMI 1 direct.  USB output plugs straight into a laptop and appears 
as a Webcam.  It can mix, wipe or have overlays and all for under ?300.

Will be using it again this Sunday, two static wide shots (GoPros) and 
one manned camera.

Amazing bit of kit for the price.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 28/08/2020 16:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Oh dear! Oh Dear! (says Pat).
> 
> I?ve always thought that to mount a ?broadcast? that resembles the real 
> thing, one has to have the right kit ? like professional!
> 
> I couldn?t agree more with Bernie?s comment that the programme was 
> designed by IT people and not broadcast engineers.
> 
> I does remind me of when I worked on ?Alien?. The sequence where the 
> explorers leave the lander capsule and venture off, togged up in space 
> suits was tricky for comms, as there were wind machines (Merlin aircraft 
> engines driving huge fans and ultra noisy!) Ridley (Scott) hoped to 
> direct his actors by having Motorola walkie-talkies fitted in the 
> helmets, with earpieces for the actors. However, there were some shots 
> showing lipsync through the visors, so it became necessary for the 
> actors to be able to hear each other. A submix of the radio mics, again 
> in the helmets was somehow introduced into the master W/T transmitter, 
> but what was needed were speech activated boom mics and headset ? there 
> was only _one_ such unit in the country!
> 
> So we muddled through somehow, but what was needed was what NASA 
> actually developed for their comms network!
> 
> Has anyone come across a small video/audio mixer that will offer
> 
> 2/3/4 HDMI sources to an output, with or without switched audio plus a 
> non-sync input for music?
> 
> I could do with one for my film shows off dual Blu-Ray players!
> 
> Best
> 
> Pat
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *28 August 2020 15:58
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] VMix feedback
> 
> I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I 
> had a number of replies, for which thank you.? Nick Ware asked for 
> feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all. 
> Comments happily accepted.
> 
> I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started 
> streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded, 
> edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said 
> I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never 
> done 40 hours in a week.? Now that I've met him, he's not a show off, 
> but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't 
> think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.
> 
> Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept of 
> line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and the 
> YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone 
> told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They 
> abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said? "If 
> only we had someone who'd done this before"......
> 
> Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system 
> on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it 
> tries to do everything but stir the coffee.? Almost the first line in 
> the user guide says "/Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you 
> wish to display should be placed in this preview window first/."? At 
> that point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they 
> were IT people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel 
> Blayney, and I remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well in 
> a 600 shot show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch 
> if you aren't involved.
> 
> I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I 
> was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from 
> here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be touched, 
> apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are 
> difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.? Direct 
> cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras, 
> as churches tend to have?? VMix allows you to set up various positions, 
> but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if you 
> select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you what 
> to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live output 
> of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer, 
> squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.
> 
> The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics 
> and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the 
> graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies of 
> VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the 
> church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.? All on 
> the same huge touch screen monitor.
> 
> Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that - 
> it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.
> 
> So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything more 
> than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a media 
> source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a 
> century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of teaching 
> thrown in.? KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.
> 
> What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd buy 
> a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get hold 
> of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap 
> their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that 
> ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from 
> free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer 
> based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.
> 
> So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their 
> next Sunday service via YouTube
> 
> B
> 
> PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?? If you set Vmix off 
> before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see 
> the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 13:26:47 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:26:47 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
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How about a Blackmagic Atem Television Studio? Only ?2598

B

On Fri, 28 Aug 2020, 18:45 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:

> Thanks for that info, Ian and Bernie.
>
> I would dearly love a desk that has slider faders for audio, and a small
> screen for preview or main o/p, and a lever to cross between video sources.
> Also the Blackmagic does not seem to have an analogue audio out ? as I feed
> the latter to a hi-fi system for presentation, an adaptor would be needed.
> Also I use two 7? monitors to set up cueing points from two BluRay players
> before it goes to the projector.
>
> The BlackMagic seems to rely on buttons.
>
> Don?t care for that!
>
>
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *28 August 2020 17:10
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
> *Cc: *Ian Norman <armoor.farm at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] VMix feedback
>
>
>
> Dear Pat,
>
>
>
> Last Sunday I streamed a service for a local church using a Blackmagic
>
> Atem Mini.  It has 4 HDMI inputs will convert and synchronise each input
>
> to match the output.  A further two audio inputs with adjustable delay
>
> of up to 8 frames and either mic or line level.
>
>
>
> HDMI output can be selected as either of the four inputs, preview, live
>
> or HDMI 1 direct.  USB output plugs straight into a laptop and appears
>
> as a Webcam.  It can mix, wipe or have overlays and all for under ?300.
>
>
>
> Will be using it again this Sunday, two static wide shots (GoPros) and
>
> one manned camera.
>
>
>
> Amazing bit of kit for the price.
>
>
>
> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini
>
>
>
>
>
> Stay safe
>
>
>
> Ian Norman
>
>
>
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>
> Telephone: 01643 888181
>
>
>
> On 28/08/2020 16:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>
> > Oh dear! Oh Dear! (says Pat).
>
> >
>
> > I?ve always thought that to mount a ?broadcast? that resembles the real
>
> > thing, one has to have the right kit ? like professional!
>
> >
>
> > I couldn?t agree more with Bernie?s comment that the programme was
>
> > designed by IT people and not broadcast engineers.
>
> >
>
> > I does remind me of when I worked on ?Alien?. The sequence where the
>
> > explorers leave the lander capsule and venture off, togged up in space
>
> > suits was tricky for comms, as there were wind machines (Merlin aircraft
>
> > engines driving huge fans and ultra noisy!) Ridley (Scott) hoped to
>
> > direct his actors by having Motorola walkie-talkies fitted in the
>
> > helmets, with earpieces for the actors. However, there were some shots
>
> > showing lipsync through the visors, so it became necessary for the
>
> > actors to be able to hear each other. A submix of the radio mics, again
>
> > in the helmets was somehow introduced into the master W/T transmitter,
>
> > but what was needed were speech activated boom mics and headset ? there
>
> > was only _one_ such unit in the country!
>
> >
>
> > So we muddled through somehow, but what was needed was what NASA
>
> > actually developed for their comms network!
>
> >
>
> > Has anyone come across a small video/audio mixer that will offer
>
> >
>
> > 2/3/4 HDMI sources to an output, with or without switched audio plus a
>
> > non-sync input for music?
>
> >
>
> > I could do with one for my film shows off dual Blu-Ray players!
>
> >
>
> > Best
>
> >
>
> > Pat
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>
> > Windows 10
>
> >
>
> > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>
> > *Sent: *28 August 2020 15:58
>
> > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>
> > *Subject: *[Tech1] VMix feedback
>
> >
>
> > I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I
>
> > had a number of replies, for which thank you.  Nick Ware asked for
>
> > feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all.
>
> > Comments happily accepted.
>
> >
>
> > I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started
>
> > streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded,
>
> > edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said
>
> > I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never
>
> > done 40 hours in a week.  Now that I've met him, he's not a show off,
>
> > but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't
>
> > think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.
>
> >
>
> > Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept of
>
> > line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and the
>
> > YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone
>
> > told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They
>
> > abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said  "If
>
> > only we had someone who'd done this before"......
>
> >
>
> > Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system
>
> > on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it
>
> > tries to do everything but stir the coffee.  Almost the first line in
>
> > the user guide says "/Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you
>
> > wish to display should be placed in this preview window first/."  At
>
> > that point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they
>
> > were IT people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel
>
> > Blayney, and I remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well in
>
> > a 600 shot show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch
>
> > if you aren't involved.
>
> >
>
> > I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I
>
> > was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from
>
> > here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be touched,
>
> > apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are
>
> > difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.  Direct
>
> > cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras,
>
> > as churches tend to have?  VMix allows you to set up various positions,
>
> > but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if you
>
> > select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you what
>
> > to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live output
>
> > of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer,
>
> > squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.
>
> >
>
> > The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics
>
> > and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the
>
> > graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies of
>
> > VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the
>
> > church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.  All on
>
> > the same huge touch screen monitor.
>
> >
>
> > Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that -
>
> > it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.
>
> >
>
> > So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything more
>
> > than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a media
>
> > source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a
>
> > century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of teaching
>
> > thrown in.  KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.
>
> >
>
> > What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd buy
>
> > a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get hold
>
> > of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap
>
> > their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that
>
> > ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from
>
> > free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer
>
> > based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.
>
> >
>
> > So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their
>
> > next Sunday service via YouTube
>
> >
>
> > B
>
> >
>
> > PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?  If you set Vmix off
>
> > before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see
>
> > the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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From armoor.farm at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 14:45:17 2020
From: armoor.farm at gmail.com (Ian Norman)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 20:45:17 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
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Dear Pat,

The ATEM Mini has a companion application that runs on a PC or Mac.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini/software

The software includes a Fairlight audio mixer that can be controlled 
with a midi control surface, thus giving you real faders.  I keep things 
simple, so use it on it's own.  But as an experiment, I connected it to 
a PC with a control surface attached and adjusted the levels with real 
faders.

For a semi permanent setup, the ATEM Mini, laptop and control surface is 
a viable option.


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 28/08/2020 18:45, patheigham wrote:
> Thanks for that info, Ian and Bernie.
> 
> I would dearly love a desk that has slider faders for audio, and a small 
> screen for preview or main o/p, and a lever to cross between video 
> sources. Also the Blackmagic does not seem to have an analogue audio out 
> ? as I feed the latter to a hi-fi system for presentation, an adaptor 
> would be needed. ?Also I use two 7? monitors to set up cueing points 
> from two BluRay players before it goes to the projector.
> 
> The BlackMagic seems to rely on buttons.
> 
> Don?t care for that!
> 
> Pat
> 
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
> 
> *From: *Ian Norman via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Sent: *28 August 2020 17:10
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> *Cc: *Ian Norman <mailto:armoor.farm at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] VMix feedback
> 
> Dear Pat,
> 
> Last Sunday I streamed a service for a local church using a Blackmagic
> 
> Atem Mini.? It has 4 HDMI inputs will convert and synchronise each input
> 
> to match the output.? A further two audio inputs with adjustable delay
> 
> of up to 8 frames and either mic or line level.
> 
> HDMI output can be selected as either of the four inputs, preview, live
> 
> or HDMI 1 direct.? USB output plugs straight into a laptop and appears
> 
> as a Webcam.? It can mix, wipe or have overlays and all for under ?300.
> 
> Will be using it again this Sunday, two static wide shots (GoPros) and
> 
> one manned camera.
> 
> Amazing bit of kit for the price.
> 
> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini
> 
> Stay safe
> 
> Ian Norman
> 
> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
> 
> Telephone: 01643 888181
> 
> On 28/08/2020 16:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> 
>  > Oh dear! Oh Dear! (says Pat).
> 
>  >
> 
>  > I?ve always thought that to mount a ?broadcast? that resembles the real
> 
>  > thing, one has to have the right kit ? like professional!
> 
>  >
> 
>  > I couldn?t agree more with Bernie?s comment that the programme was
> 
>  > designed by IT people and not broadcast engineers.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > I does remind me of when I worked on ?Alien?. The sequence where the
> 
>  > explorers leave the lander capsule and venture off, togged up in space
> 
>  > suits was tricky for comms, as there were wind machines (Merlin aircraft
> 
>  > engines driving huge fans and ultra noisy!) Ridley (Scott) hoped to
> 
>  > direct his actors by having Motorola walkie-talkies fitted in the
> 
>  > helmets, with earpieces for the actors. However, there were some shots
> 
>  > showing lipsync through the visors, so it became necessary for the
> 
>  > actors to be able to hear each other. A submix of the radio mics, again
> 
>  > in the helmets was somehow introduced into the master W/T transmitter,
> 
>  > but what was needed were speech activated boom mics and headset ? there
> 
>  > was only _one_ such unit in the country!
> 
>  >
> 
>  > So we muddled through somehow, but what was needed was what NASA
> 
>  > actually developed for their comms network!
> 
>  >
> 
>  > Has anyone come across a small video/audio mixer that will offer
> 
>  >
> 
>  > 2/3/4 HDMI sources to an output, with or without switched audio plus a
> 
>  > non-sync input for music?
> 
>  >
> 
>  > I could do with one for my film shows off dual Blu-Ray players!
> 
>  >
> 
>  > Best
> 
>  >
> 
>  > Pat
> 
>  >
> 
>  > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> 
>  > Windows 10
> 
>  >
> 
>  > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> 
>  > *Sent: *28 August 2020 15:58
> 
>  > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> 
>  > *Subject: *[Tech1] VMix feedback
> 
>  >
> 
>  > I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I
> 
>  > had a number of replies, for which thank you.? Nick Ware asked for
> 
>  > feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all.
> 
>  > Comments happily accepted.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started
> 
>  > streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded,
> 
>  > edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said
> 
>  > I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never
> 
>  > done 40 hours in a week.? Now that I've met him, he's not a show off,
> 
>  > but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't
> 
>  > think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept of
> 
>  > line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and the
> 
>  > YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone
> 
>  > told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They
> 
>  > abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said? "If
> 
>  > only we had someone who'd done this before"......
> 
>  >
> 
>  > Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system
> 
>  > on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it
> 
>  > tries to do everything but stir the coffee.? Almost the first line in
> 
>  > the user guide says "/Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you
> 
>  > wish to display should be placed in this preview window first/."? At
> 
>  > that point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they
> 
>  > were IT people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel
> 
>  > Blayney, and I remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well in
> 
>  > a 600 shot show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch
> 
>  > if you aren't involved.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I
> 
>  > was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from
> 
>  > here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be touched,
> 
>  > apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are
> 
>  > difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.? Direct
> 
>  > cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras,
> 
>  > as churches tend to have?? VMix allows you to set up various positions,
> 
>  > but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if you
> 
>  > select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you what
> 
>  > to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live output
> 
>  > of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer,
> 
>  > squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics
> 
>  > and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the
> 
>  > graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies of
> 
>  > VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the
> 
>  > church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.? All on
> 
>  > the same huge touch screen monitor.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that -
> 
>  > it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything more
> 
>  > than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a media
> 
>  > source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a
> 
>  > century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of teaching
> 
>  > thrown in.? KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd buy
> 
>  > a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get hold
> 
>  > of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap
> 
>  > their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that
> 
>  > ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from
> 
>  > free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer
> 
>  > based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.
> 
>  >
> 
>  > So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their
> 
>  > next Sunday service via YouTube
> 
>  >
> 
>  > B
> 
>  >
> 
>  > PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?? If you set Vmix off
> 
>  > before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see
> 
>  > the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.
> 
>  >
> 
>  >
> 
>  >
> 
>  >
> 
>  >
> 
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From waresound at msn.com  Fri Aug 28 16:55:38 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 21:55:38 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
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I?ve got one of those here. So far completely failed to get it to USB connect to desk or laptop. Just ?unknown device?, then the software won?t run without the device connected. Not impressed. The concert series we bought it for was of course cancelled, so problem postponed. It can work as a stand-alone switcher, but minus most of its features and facilities.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 28 Aug 2020, at 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

?
How about a Blackmagic Atem Television Studio? Only ?2598

B

On Fri, 28 Aug 2020, 18:45 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net<mailto:pat.heigham at amps.net>> wrote:
Thanks for that info, Ian and Bernie.
I would dearly love a desk that has slider faders for audio, and a small screen for preview or main o/p, and a lever to cross between video sources. Also the Blackmagic does not seem to have an analogue audio out ? as I feed the latter to a hi-fi system for presentation, an adaptor would be needed.  Also I use two 7? monitors to set up cueing points from two BluRay players before it goes to the projector.
The BlackMagic seems to rely on buttons.
Don?t care for that!

Pat



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Ian Norman via Tech1<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Sent: 28 August 2020 17:10
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
Cc: Ian Norman<mailto:armoor.farm at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tech1] VMix feedback

Dear Pat,

Last Sunday I streamed a service for a local church using a Blackmagic
Atem Mini.  It has 4 HDMI inputs will convert and synchronise each input
to match the output.  A further two audio inputs with adjustable delay
of up to 8 frames and either mic or line level.

HDMI output can be selected as either of the four inputs, preview, live
or HDMI 1 direct.  USB output plugs straight into a laptop and appears
as a Webcam.  It can mix, wipe or have overlays and all for under ?300.

Will be using it again this Sunday, two static wide shots (GoPros) and
one manned camera.

Amazing bit of kit for the price.

https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini


Stay safe

Ian Norman

Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk<mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk>
Telephone: 01643 888181

On 28/08/2020 16:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
> Oh dear! Oh Dear! (says Pat).
>
> I?ve always thought that to mount a ?broadcast? that resembles the real
> thing, one has to have the right kit ? like professional!
>
> I couldn?t agree more with Bernie?s comment that the programme was
> designed by IT people and not broadcast engineers.
>
> I does remind me of when I worked on ?Alien?. The sequence where the
> explorers leave the lander capsule and venture off, togged up in space
> suits was tricky for comms, as there were wind machines (Merlin aircraft
> engines driving huge fans and ultra noisy!) Ridley (Scott) hoped to
> direct his actors by having Motorola walkie-talkies fitted in the
> helmets, with earpieces for the actors. However, there were some shots
> showing lipsync through the visors, so it became necessary for the
> actors to be able to hear each other. A submix of the radio mics, again
> in the helmets was somehow introduced into the master W/T transmitter,
> but what was needed were speech activated boom mics and headset ? there
> was only _one_ such unit in the country!
>
> So we muddled through somehow, but what was needed was what NASA
> actually developed for their comms network!
>
> Has anyone come across a small video/audio mixer that will offer
>
> 2/3/4 HDMI sources to an output, with or without switched audio plus a
> non-sync input for music?
>
> I could do with one for my film shows off dual Blu-Ray players!
>
> Best
>
> Pat
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> *Sent: *28 August 2020 15:58
> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk<mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>>
> *Subject: *[Tech1] VMix feedback
>
> I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I
> had a number of replies, for which thank you.  Nick Ware asked for
> feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all.
> Comments happily accepted.
>
> I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started
> streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded,
> edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said
> I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never
> done 40 hours in a week.  Now that I've met him, he's not a show off,
> but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't
> think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.
>
> Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept of
> line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and the
> YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone
> told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They
> abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said  "If
> only we had someone who'd done this before"......
>
> Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system
> on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it
> tries to do everything but stir the coffee.  Almost the first line in
> the user guide says "/Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you
> wish to display should be placed in this preview window first/."  At
> that point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they
> were IT people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel
> Blayney, and I remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well in
> a 600 shot show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch
> if you aren't involved.
>
> I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I
> was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from
> here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be touched,
> apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are
> difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.  Direct
> cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras,
> as churches tend to have?  VMix allows you to set up various positions,
> but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if you
> select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you what
> to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live output
> of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer,
> squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.
>
> The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics
> and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the
> graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies of
> VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the
> church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.  All on
> the same huge touch screen monitor.
>
> Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that -
> it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.
>
> So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything more
> than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a media
> source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a
> century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of teaching
> thrown in.  KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.
>
> What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd buy
> a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get hold
> of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap
> their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that
> ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from
> free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer
> based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.
>
> So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their
> next Sunday service via YouTube
>
> B
>
> PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?  If you set Vmix off
> before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see
> the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.
>
>
>
>
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Aug 29 01:43:16 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 06:43:16 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863D6A88706A2AAE691CBE5A7530@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I should have said connect crossover Cat5, of course, not USB, whoops.
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

> On 28 Aug 2020, at 22:55, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
> 


From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 03:28:25 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:28:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
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Wouldn't it be easier to use USB?


On 29/08/2020 07:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:
> I should have said connect crossover Cat5, of course, not USB, whoops.
> N.
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
>> On 28 Aug 2020, at 22:55, Nick Ware <Waresound at msn.com> wrote:
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Aug 29 04:04:07 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 09:04:07 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
In-Reply-To: <40f4b51c-9465-c006-d616-f59318fb7e3e@ntlworld.com>
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You would think so, but the USB1 connector is only for updating software and settings.
The main App via Ethernet gives you a full blown studio setup - vision mixer (as opposed to a row of buttons that you have to preview before you can ?cut up? a source). Plus sound, camera control, FX, etc., but so far I haven?t even been able to see any of that.
Meanwhile, Roland have some products worth looking at, and there are others.
Cheers,
Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

On 29 Aug 2020, at 09:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:

? Wouldn't it be easier to use USB?


On 29/08/2020 07:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:

I should have said connect crossover Cat5, of course, not USB, whoops.
N.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5



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From robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk  Sat Aug 29 04:47:07 2020
From: robert.miles at soundsuper.co.uk (Robert Miles)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 10:47:07 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
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This is an interesting company making controllers for both local and remote productions - https://www.skaarhoj.com/products/overview/

 

Rob

 

From: Tech1 [mailto:tech1-bounces at tech-ops.co.uk] On Behalf Of Nick Ware via Tech1
Sent: 29 August 2020 10:04
To: tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Tech1] VMix feedback

 

You would think so, but the USB1 connector is only for updating software and settings. 

The main App via Ethernet gives you a full blown studio setup - vision mixer (as opposed to a row of buttons that you have to preview before you can ?cut up? a source). Plus sound, camera control, FX, etc., but so far I haven?t even been able to see any of that.

Meanwhile, Roland have some products worth looking at, and there are others.

Cheers,

Nick.

Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5





On 29 Aug 2020, at 09:29, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> > wrote:

? Wouldn't it be easier to use USB?



On 29/08/2020 07:43, Nick Ware via Tech1 wrote:

I should have said connect crossover Cat5, of course, not USB, whoops.
N.
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From bernie833 at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 05:19:45 2020
From: bernie833 at gmail.com (Bernard Newnham)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 11:19:45 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
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A long time since I used a reversed cat5.  I discovered I still have one
the other day, in the back of a drawer.  Perhaps it feels the need to see a
full router?

B

On Fri, 28 Aug 2020, 22:56 Nick Ware via Tech1, <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
wrote:

> I?ve got one of those here. So far completely failed to get it to USB
> connect to desk or laptop. Just ?unknown device?, then the software won?t
> run without the device connected. Not impressed. The concert series we
> bought it for was of course cancelled, so problem postponed. It can work as
> a stand-alone switcher, but minus most of its features and facilities.
> Cheers,
> Nick.
>
> Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5
>
> On 28 Aug 2020, at 19:27, Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> ?
> How about a Blackmagic Atem Television Studio? Only ?2598
>
> B
>
> On Fri, 28 Aug 2020, 18:45 patheigham, <pat.heigham at amps.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that info, Ian and Bernie.
>>
>> I would dearly love a desk that has slider faders for audio, and a small
>> screen for preview or main o/p, and a lever to cross between video sources.
>> Also the Blackmagic does not seem to have an analogue audio out ? as I feed
>> the latter to a hi-fi system for presentation, an adaptor would be needed.
>> Also I use two 7? monitors to set up cueing points from two BluRay players
>> before it goes to the projector.
>>
>> The BlackMagic seems to rely on buttons.
>>
>> Don?t care for that!
>>
>>
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Ian Norman via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>> *Sent: *28 August 2020 17:10
>> *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk
>> *Cc: *Ian Norman <armoor.farm at gmail.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Tech1] VMix feedback
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Pat,
>>
>>
>>
>> Last Sunday I streamed a service for a local church using a Blackmagic
>>
>> Atem Mini.  It has 4 HDMI inputs will convert and synchronise each input
>>
>> to match the output.  A further two audio inputs with adjustable delay
>>
>> of up to 8 frames and either mic or line level.
>>
>>
>>
>> HDMI output can be selected as either of the four inputs, preview, live
>>
>> or HDMI 1 direct.  USB output plugs straight into a laptop and appears
>>
>> as a Webcam.  It can mix, wipe or have overlays and all for under ?300.
>>
>>
>>
>> Will be using it again this Sunday, two static wide shots (GoPros) and
>>
>> one manned camera.
>>
>>
>>
>> Amazing bit of kit for the price.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/uk/products/atemmini
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Stay safe
>>
>>
>>
>> Ian Norman
>>
>>
>>
>> Email: mailto:ian.norman at armoor.co.uk
>>
>> Telephone: 01643 888181
>>
>>
>>
>> On 28/08/2020 16:52, patheigham via Tech1 wrote:
>>
>> > Oh dear! Oh Dear! (says Pat).
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I?ve always thought that to mount a ?broadcast? that resembles the real
>>
>> > thing, one has to have the right kit ? like professional!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I couldn?t agree more with Bernie?s comment that the programme was
>>
>> > designed by IT people and not broadcast engineers.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I does remind me of when I worked on ?Alien?. The sequence where the
>>
>> > explorers leave the lander capsule and venture off, togged up in space
>>
>> > suits was tricky for comms, as there were wind machines (Merlin
>> aircraft
>>
>> > engines driving huge fans and ultra noisy!) Ridley (Scott) hoped to
>>
>> > direct his actors by having Motorola walkie-talkies fitted in the
>>
>> > helmets, with earpieces for the actors. However, there were some shots
>>
>> > showing lipsync through the visors, so it became necessary for the
>>
>> > actors to be able to hear each other. A submix of the radio mics, again
>>
>> > in the helmets was somehow introduced into the master W/T transmitter,
>>
>> > but what was needed were speech activated boom mics and headset ? there
>>
>> > was only _one_ such unit in the country!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > So we muddled through somehow, but what was needed was what NASA
>>
>> > actually developed for their comms network!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Has anyone come across a small video/audio mixer that will offer
>>
>> >
>>
>> > 2/3/4 HDMI sources to an output, with or without switched audio plus a
>>
>> > non-sync input for music?
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I could do with one for my film shows off dual Blu-Ray players!
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Best
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Pat
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>
>> > Windows 10
>>
>> >
>>
>> > *From: *Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>
>> > *Sent: *28 August 2020 15:58
>>
>> > *To: *tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
>>
>> > *Subject: *[Tech1] VMix feedback
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I was asking the other day whether people had experience with VMix. I
>>
>> > had a number of replies, for which thank you.  Nick Ware asked for
>>
>> > feedback when I'd learned enough, so I though I'd just feedback to all.
>>
>> > Comments happily accepted.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I was asked to help some people at a local church who have started
>>
>> > streaming their services. Up to last week everything was pre-recorded,
>>
>> > edited by a man who said he'd put in up to 40 hours in a week. I said
>>
>> > I'd been sitting in edit suites since the mid seventies, but I've never
>>
>> > done 40 hours in a week.  Now that I've met him, he's not a show off,
>>
>> > but he is a person who says "I can do this, I can do this", but doesn't
>>
>> > think about what everyone else will do when he isn't around.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Last Sunday's first transmission was a complete disaster. The concept
>> of
>>
>> > line up, or any kind of pre-tx check, hadn't got as far as them, and
>> the
>>
>> > YouTube stream went out with no sound. They didn't know till someone
>>
>> > told them and mid service they couldn't work out the problem. They
>>
>> > abandoned after about fifteen minutes. One of them apparently said  "If
>>
>> > only we had someone who'd done this before"......
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Vmix is a Windows program that tries to mimic a hardware studio system
>>
>> > on a screen. It's sort of a software version of the evil Tricaster - it
>>
>> > tries to do everything but stir the coffee.  Almost the first line in
>>
>> > the user guide says "/Just like a traditional video mixer, an input you
>>
>> > wish to display should be placed in this preview window first/."  At
>>
>> > that point you realise that TV people didn't write this program, they
>>
>> > were IT people. The last person big on "preview first" was Rachel
>>
>> > Blayney, and I remember Softly Softlys where that didn't work so well
>> in
>>
>> > a 600 shot show. A chorus of on-air lens changes is a delight to watch
>>
>> > if you aren't involved.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I downloaded the VMix trial (and you can too) and as I got to know it I
>>
>> > was much reminded of that joke about "I wouldn't have started from
>>
>> > here". So many things .......the sound mixer really isn't to be
>> touched,
>>
>> > apart from presetting levels. Parts of it disappear off screen and are
>>
>> > difficult to get back, so you really don't want to make changes.
>> Direct
>>
>> > cuts between cameras is easy enough, but what if you have PTZ cameras,
>>
>> > as churches tend to have?  VMix allows you to set up various positions,
>>
>> > but each one comes up as a new source to the mixer, and of course if
>> you
>>
>> > select it direct it makes a horrible move on-air. Also, to show you
>> what
>>
>> > to expect, it saves a thumbnail, looking remarkably like the live
>> output
>>
>> > of the camera itself. My new friends had 17 sources to the mixer,
>>
>> > squeezed into a tiny corner of the monitor, all looking much the same.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > The church needs two live feeds, an internal one with mostly graphics
>>
>> > and words - "We are a paperless church" - and one for YouTube with the
>>
>> > graphics playlist plus the cameras and sound. So they have two copies
>> of
>>
>> > VMix, with one of them running the internal feed as a source to the
>>
>> > church monitors, and also to the other YouTube copy next to it.  All on
>>
>> > the same huge touch screen monitor.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Vmix isn't good with graphics playlists. Let's just leave it at that -
>>
>> > it's all too horrible. 47 sources to the mixer.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > So, all in all, Vmix is something I wouldn't recommend for anything
>> more
>>
>> > than the very simplest situation - maybe three fixed cameras and a
>> media
>>
>> > source. In the end, all I could really offer at the church was half a
>>
>> > century of pertinent practical experience, with twenty years of
>> teaching
>>
>> > thrown in.  KISS - "Keep it simple, stupid" was high on my list.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > What would I recommend? If I was starting from scratch tomorrow, I'd
>> buy
>>
>> > a BlackMagic Atem Pro with it's associated monitor - if I could get
>> hold
>>
>> > of one, because that's what everyone else is doing. For sound, I'd swap
>>
>> > their Behringer X32 digital mixer for a more basic analogue one that
>>
>> > ordinary people can understand. And initially I'd run the graphics from
>>
>> > free OpenLP, as they did before, though I think a custom made sequencer
>>
>> > based on CasparCG might be a good longer term thought.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > So - that's my feedback, and I'm looking forward to popping in on their
>>
>> > next Sunday service via YouTube
>>
>> >
>>
>> > B
>>
>> >
>>
>> > PS - oh - why didn't the YouTube stream have sound?  If you set Vmix
>> off
>>
>> > before the sound mixer, it looks around it's resources and doesn't see
>>
>> > the mixer. It never checks again, so silence.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
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From davesound at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 29 05:33:18 2020
From: davesound at btinternet.com (Dave Plowman)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 11:33:18 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
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Message-ID: <58a793be6cdavesound@btinternet.com>

It's interesting stuff. Have used a twin run of it (plus adaptors) to get
an HDMI feed from the STB in the lounge to the TV in the kitchen - about a
15 metre plus run. More than an HDMI cable can manage.   


In article
<CAA7MLyGzTZcHWbNtx4Mp9SWdAxpVcJan5f5gU+s0eJeCZDRGxQ at mail.gmail.com>,
   Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> A long time since I used a reversed cat5.  I discovered I still have one
> the other day, in the back of a drawer.  Perhaps it feels the need to see a
> full router?

-- 
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From waresound at msn.com  Sat Aug 29 06:12:56 2020
From: waresound at msn.com (Nick Ware)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 11:12:56 +0000
Subject: [Tech1] VMix feedback
In-Reply-To: <58a793be6cdavesound@btinternet.com>
References: <58a793be6cdavesound@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <VE1P189MB0863C98AFEADEECAE18FE5CAA7530@VE1P189MB0863.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

For longish cable runs to monitors at concerts etc., I have about ten cheap ?n cheerful HDMI to HD-SDI converter boxes (and vice-versa) enabling any length coax. Only drawback is, they need a 5V wallwart, but as there?s always mains available at both ends it?s not a problem. Also, a bit more expensive, but we have four Blackmagic UpDownCross HD MiniConverter boxes.
As things are at the moment I can?t see them, or the cameras or the monitors ever being used again. Thankfully, I sold off six big trolley mounted plasmas a couple of years ago while they still had some value.
Hey-ho.
Nick.
Nick Ware - Sent from my iPad mini 5

>> On 29 Aug 2020, at 11:36, Dave Plowman <davesound at btinternet.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?It's interesting stuff. Have used a twin run of it (plus adaptors) to get
>> an HDMI feed from the STB in the lounge to the TV in the kitchen - about a
>> 15 metre plus run. More than an HDMI cable can manage.   
>> 
>> 
>> In article
>> <CAA7MLyGzTZcHWbNtx4Mp9SWdAxpVcJan5f5gU+s0eJeCZDRGxQ at mail.gmail.com>,
>>  Bernard Newnham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>> A long time since I used a reversed cat5.  I discovered I still have one
>> the other day, in the back of a drawer.  Perhaps it feels the need to see a
>> full router?
> 
> -- 
>   Dave Plowman     dave at davesound.co.uk     London SW 12

From dave.mdv at btinternet.com  Sat Aug 29 17:47:25 2020
From: dave.mdv at btinternet.com (dave.mdv)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 23:47:25 +0100
Subject: [Tech1] Sad poem
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Well, it's sad for me as my wife will be 84 next year! What surprises me 
is that the original book was written by the daughter of one our 
colleagues in OBs, who was the nicest cameraperson you could wish to 
meet! Cheers, Dave

FIFTY SHADES OF GREY BY PAM AYRES

The missus bought a Paperback,
down Shepton Mallet way,
I had a look inside her bag;...
T'was "Fifty Shades of Grey".
Well I just left her to it,
And at ten I went to bed.
An hour later she appeared;
The sight filled me with dread.
In her left hand she held a rope;
And in her right a whip!
She threw them down upon the floor,
And then began to strip.
Well fifty years or so ago;
I might have had a peek;
But Mabel hasn't weathered well;
She's eighty four next week!!
Watching Mabel bump and grind;
Could not have been much grimmer.
And things then went from bad to worse;
She toppled off her Zimmer!
She struggled back upon her feet;
A couple minutes later;
She put her teeth back in and said
"I am a dominator!!"
Now if you knew our Mabel,
You'd see just why I spluttered,
I'd spent two months in traction
For the last complaint I'd uttered.
She stood there nude and naked
Bent forward just a bit
I went to hold her, sensual like
and stood on her left tit!
Mabel screamed, her teeth shot out;
My God what had I done!
She moaned and groaned then shouted out:
"Step on the other one!!"
Well readers, I can tell no more;
Of what occurred that day.
Suffice to say my jet black hair,
Turned fifty shades of grey!!


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MCR21 Project Newsletter? - August 2020 MCR21 Project Newsletter


   ?MCR21 PROJECT
  AUGUST 2020

NEWSLETTER

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MCR21 RESTORATION? PROGRESS
Soon MCR21 will be sporting its original green livery with a grey stripe 
round the vehicle. So a big thank you to James Thorpe and his team of 
restorers at Ward Jones Commercials
(Now called Chiltern Automotive)

Photos Brian Summers

/To De-rig or Not?
That is the Question/
By Nick Gilbey with contributions from Dan Cranefield, Brian Summers and 
Peter Cook

Peter Cook remembers his first job working on the crew of MCR21 as a 
trainee cameraman back in 1964.

"I joined LO1 on MCR21. The first task I had with the scanner was 3 or 4 
?rig? days at LTA Wimbledon tennis where the truck was derigged into a 
wooden hut for the?duration of the Championship.?

MCR21 would be used to co-ordinate the output from two other units 
covering the Centre Court ?and No 1 Court, along with presentation. 
Rediffusion de-rigged two of their? Pye OB units to cover Wimbledon in 
the 1950s alongside the BBC

/Photo Courtesy of Pat Stapleton/
/Rediffusion de-rigged OB units covering Wimbledon Championship in the 
1950s/60s/

Perhaps the most ambitious de-rig which the BBC undertook, was to 
televise climbing the Old Man of Hoy in 1967, avertical rock in the the 
Orkney archipelago off the north coast of Scotland. MCR27, one of the 
other nine Pye OB units which were nearly identical to MCR21, was 
shipped to within two miles of the rock. From there, the equipment from 
MCR27 had to be pulled on a sledge to the cliff overlooking the Old Man 
of Hoy. After a disaster, which nearly thwarted the programme, live 
pictures were transmitted over two days on BBC 1, reaching nearly 10 
million viewers.

/The? audio mixer being taken out of MCR27./
/Then, after a ride on the sledge, being carried to the control room 
being set up in a tent. Watch the video - Link below - Philip Gilbert, 
the director, explains what went wrong just two days before the 
programme was transmitted./

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/Two Photos of the equipment in MCR 1, the BBC Television's first 
outside broadcast unit. It would have been a mammoth task to de-rig this 
unit. Fortunately no such de-rig was required or probably possible/

/Richard Dimbleby and Peter Dimmock in the de-rigged control room at 
Westmister for the Queen's Coronation in 1953/
By the 1950s MCRs 3 through to 12 had arrived. These units were all based in
semi-articulated trailers. The equipment was either placed on shelves or 
in racks and it was quite feasible to de-rig the equipment. For the TV 
coverage at Westminster Abbey . The contents of MCRs 9 and 10 were 
installed in a temporary control room within the Abbey.

/The interior of MCR4/

*DE-RIG? POST MCR21*


Photo Nick Gilbey
CMCR 1, The BBC's first colour mobile control room, at Trooping The 
Colour in 1967

Dan Cranefield explains what it was like to de-rig a camera
from the BBC Type 1 CMCR

The first three BBC colour OB units, CMCR 1-3, each contained four 
cameras labelled as Peto Scott PC60. Each camera used two Mk IV 
multicore camera cables to its Camera Control Unit (abbreviated to CCU) 
which were very large, heavy and cumbersome. Each CCU was about 2ft wide 
and over 3ft high and about 3ft from front to back. Each CCU was in the 
form of a desk because each had its own lift and iris controls on it 
and, under a Perspex flap, all the controls for ?picture registration?, 
which was required at that time. Each camera needed to be switched on 2 
hours before it was ?lined up?, i.e. the camera was focussed on a black 
chart containing many squares made up of white lines, then each of the 
three images, red, green and blue, were aligned correctly in a 
designated hour?s ?line-up? period before each recording or 
transmission. For the first colour OB, which was Trooping the Colour in 
1967, (but not actually transmitted on BBC1), I switched everything on 
at 0600 on the transmission day so that pictures were available for 
recording or transmission at 0900.

These three OB scanners had a transverse production area facing the rear 
of the vehicle and four CCUs were mounted in front of the production 
desk. The vision supervisor operated one of them and two or three 
engineers operated the other three. The rear of the vehicle had two full 
sized doors and a powered tail lift which was needed to remove the CCUs 
safely to get them in and out if necessary.
Thankfully, it was rare for them to be de-rigged and there was a large 
number of cables to be unplugged each time. One occasion which caused 
this to be done was to put a camera and CCU onto the boat, which I 
believe was ?Everest? which was used by BBC Tel OBs for the annual 
Oxford and Cambridge boat race from Putney to Mortlake.
I was the engineer on CMCR1 chosen to do this derig for the 1968 boat 
race, the first in colour. My memory is a little hazy as to whether 
there was just one camera or two on the boat on this occasion, but I 
think only one because the few colour cameras available were needed 
elsewhere to cover the course of the race, but I do remember that a lot 
of planning and effort was needed for this boat camera.
Firstly, the CMCR needed to be parked at a suitable place where the CCU 
and camera could be off-loaded straight onto the boat. This was carried 
out below and adjacent to Twickenham Bridge and the CCU was positioned 
in a doorway between the boat?s cabin and the bow of the boat because 
access was needed operationally to front and back of the CCU if 
necessary. The boat then set off for Putney where testing was due to 
start and I was left on my own to do all the cabling needed, a 
hands-and-knees job. Since the doorway was blocked by the CCU the only 
way to get from the back of the CCU to the front was to go via the bow, 
walk alongside the cabin on a very narrow walkway using the handrail on 
the cabin roof and re-enter the cabin from the stern of the boat. I 
managed to complete the cabling just before we reached Putney, a couple 
of hours later.
I assume a portable generator and the radio link transmitter to transmit 
the vision signal must have been fitted on arrival at Putney because I 
would have resumed my duties on the CMCR which, by then, had arrived at 
Putney as well. As far as I remember everything worked OK and the 
programme was a success. I doubt whether any recording of this race 
survives.
Dan Cranefield

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/photo Nick Gilbey/
/Steve Harris (pictured) with his beautifully restored? BBC Type 2? 
Colour Unit
North 3 CMCR9 /

The BBC ordered 10 Type 2 colour mobile control units from Pye which 
were delivered in 1969/70. As the equipment inside the colour control 
rooms became more complex, the opportunity and feasibility for a de-rig 
became very complex.

Brian Summers explains
The last of the BBC monochrome scanners were specified to be De-rig 
capable and this facility was used from time to time, an excellent 
example being the Old Man of Hoy programme.

This De-rig requirement was specified for the Type 2 colour MCRs. Pye, 
who built the Type 2 ?skilfully provided the facility to remove all the 
technical equipment, often in special frames.? ?It was the practice, as 
 ?used previously, to leave the internal connecting cables in the 
vehicle ?and use the provided boxes of numbered and named cables to 
interconnect it all.

When you get to this level of complex interconnecting? it is essential 
to know what connects to what.

When the first Type 2 was delivered a test de rig was tried in the 
scanner hall at the BBC base at Kendal Avenue. ?This proved to be a big 
task to get it all out and connected up, but nothing compared to getting 
it all back in and fully working again.? This exercise proved that a 
Type 2 De-rig was a ?Bridge to Far? and as far as I know it was never 
done again.

The front picture shows the sound area, production and vision control 
mimicking the internal layout of the CMCR. The rear picture shows a fine 
tangle of wire with the 4 cameras off to the right.

Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral -? St Paul's Cathedral

The BBC coverage of Sir Winston Churchill's Funeral in 1965 involved 
de-rigging the equipment from MCRs 19,21 and 22 into a temporary control 
room at St Paul's Cathedral. In 1981 there was no de-rig when the BBC 
televised the Royal Wedding with Prince Charles and Diana

/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? Photo Nick Gilbey/

/1981 St Paul's Cathedral - The Wedding of Prince Charles and Diana/

The two great events which were televised at St Paul's Cathedral - The 
Funeral of Sir Winston Churchill and The Royal Wedding in 1981 - were 
handled very differently by the BBC and ITV.
The complexity of the 1970/80s colour mobile control rooms, prompted the 
BBC to invest in a unit which could handle a number of its own cameras 
but also take in many external cameras. The succession of these colour 
mobile central control rooms were used at large events. CMCCR 2 was used 
as the programme TX unit for the Royal Wedding in 1981. It controlled, 
not only the cameras in St Paul's Cathedral, but took in feeds from the 
OB units along the procession route.
Two Type 5 CMCRs, each capable of handling eight cameras, which fed into 
the CMCCR 2, that is a Colour Mobile Central Control Room, which can be 
seen in the background.

For Churchill's Funeral in 1965, the BBC transmitted the whole programme 
from St Paul's Cathedral, covering the procession, the service and the 
journey down the Thames to Waterloo. The same happened in 1981 for the 
Royal Wedding.
In 1965 ITV had special lines put in by the post office to bring the 
feeds from the OBs along the route and from St Paul's to Rediffusion's 
studio 9 in Kingsway. In 1981, again, the TX programme was mixed at 
Thames's studio in Euston with many feeds coming in from the OBs by 
microwave.

CMCCR 3
By 2000, the central control room had a mixer that could handle up to 60 
inputs with a matching number of monitors

Below - Brian Summers (right) and? Jeff White grapple with the huge 
number of vision inputs on the tailboard of CMCCR 3

*VOLUNTEERING*

The MCR21 Project benefits greatly from the work done by volunteers. 
Paul Read has been restoring two of MCR21's larger monitors. He has been 
chronicling his work in a video - link below.
Thank you Paul

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*THE GOODWOOD RACETRACK*

Cam 1????????? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ?? ?? Cam 2 Cam 3 ?? Cam 4

Last year at the Goodwood Revival with the permission of the Duke of 
Richmond, Aurora Media and Cloudbass OBs, and with the help of students 
from Solent University, we recorded the output from four cameras 
covering a race, which featured racing cars dating from the 1960s. In 
2019 twelve cameras covered the race track but, back in the 1960s, the 
race would have had just four cameras situated round the track.

The recordings from the four cameras will be replayed on the monitors 
inside MCR21 so that the visitor in the production area of MCR21 will be 
able to see how the race is covered by the four cameras. The visitors 
will be able to hear the race commentary and the director's talkback. 
Below is a link to the video which will give you an idea of what you 
will see on the screens and hear over the speakers.
 ??????? To watch the race?? -? press on the Goodwood Race button below

The Monitor Stack in MCR21

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*THE MCR21 PROJECT NEEDS YOU*

There are many jobs to do - perhaps cleaning up connectors, helping 
create a crowdfunding campaign, working on upholstering the seats or 
organising our successful ebay sales of redundant equipment. We also 
need the the help of those with carpentry or metalwork skills.

There are lots of ways you can help.
If you would like to become a 'Friend of MCR21'
Please do get in touch with Brian Summers or Nick Gilbey
brian at mcr21.org.uk? - nick at mcr21.org.uk
or telephone Nick 07831 219957

*FUNDRAISING*
We still do need to raise funds to complete the MCR21 Project. For more 
information about donating, please click on the donate button below. 
This will take you to the donate page on our website.

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NEWSLETTER EDITOR
Nick Gilbey
nick at mcr21.org.uk

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From pat.heigham at amps.net  Mon Aug 31 12:54:40 2020
From: pat.heigham at amps.net (patheigham)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:54:40 +0100
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Old Man of Hoy.
Fascinating!
I remember viewing the actual transmission, and my enduring image is of a very unhappy looking sound guy huddling under a dripping canvas shelter.
So far removed from the comfort of a warm studio!
My regret is that whether the ascent is of Hoy, or Everest, or K2, the programme always ends with triumph of the summit achieved. I would love to know how they got down!
Re: the Boat Race memories ? there?s good sequence in ?This is the BBC? explaining the coverage of the race, a bit scripted and therefore somewhat stilted, but it does show
the technical side of mounting this broadcast at the time (1959).
Pat
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From alanaudio at me.com  Mon Aug 31 15:58:49 2020
From: alanaudio at me.com (Alan Taylor)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 21:58:49 +0100
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In Feb 1982 the BBC did another live climbing broadcast, ice climbing on Ben Nevis. It?s another of those shows where there are a load of stories that can be told. 

Triax camera cable was used in those days and it meant that camera cables could be a few kilometres long, which eliminated the need to de-rig the CCUs. The scanner could stay parked in a sensible place with long cables run out to the working positions on the mountain. 

Having said there was no need to de-rig stuff, I was working on what most people would regard as a de-rig setup well above the snow line, with cable runs of 3-4km back to the scanner.  Rigging the cables was done by helicopter.  They coupled together long lengths of cable, waterproofed the joints, tested it to make sure it worked perfectly and rolled it onto massive drums which were fastened to the helicopter in such a way that they could unwind as it flew. In essence, they tied one end to the scanner and flew away, rolling out the cable as they went.

This was all done at the base camp and the cables were run out a few days before we arrived.  When I checked the multi cable, it had several faults.  We needed most of it working, so had to identify where the problem was.  By that time the weather had closed in and flying was unsafe, so we had to walk up to the location and carry anything we needed.  It was a very strenuous trek, especially if carrying equipment. 

In order to minimise disruption to the carefully waterproofed cable, I thought it best to tackle it the logical way.  Trudge through the snow to about the half way point, undo the cable and test it to see whether the problem was before or after that point. Undoing the multi connector was incredibly difficult and when I disconnected it, the cable sprung away from me, leaving a gap of around 30-40 cm between the two halves.

It would appear that the cables had been run out from the base camp where the ambient temperature was maybe 10?C, but laid on the snow and ice where the temperature was no greater than -5?C.  Being copper, the cable wanted to contract and when I undid the connection, it sprung apart to release the tension.

There were no short lengths of cable available to bridge the gap and the only breakout leads ( flails ) available would be needed to fix the problem.  The cable had to be reconnected, but in order to do that I had to walk to the next joint, disconnect it, walk back to where I originally was, pulling the cable back a little and then reconnecting and waterproofing at the first point before trudging back to the new break in the cable.  This procedure had to be done at every joint, all the way back to our location until the fault was found.

When we identified the section where the fault was, it was possible to use two breakout leads to re-jig which pairs go where so that enough working pairs became available.

We had logistics support from some marines. They taught us how to use their short handled shovels as an improvised toboggan and much fun was had racing down powdery sections of the snow. Not to be outdone, we showed them how we traditionally use our tough PVC rigging bags as an improvised four man bob sleigh.  Well when I say ?traditionally?, I mean we made it up as we went along and they were foolish enough to copy us. When you turn a rigging bag inside out, so that the webbing is inside and the smooth surface is on the outside, with four people in it, it?s capable of quite a fair turn of speed .... and it doesn?t have any brakes either, nor anything resembling an effective means of steering.

Alan Taylor



> On 31 Aug 2020, at 18:55, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
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> ?
> Old Man of Hoy.
> Fascinating!
> I remember viewing the actual transmission, and my enduring image is of a very unhappy looking sound guy huddling under a dripping canvas shelter.
> So far removed from the comfort of a warm studio!
> My regret is that whether the ascent is of Hoy, or Everest, or K2, the programme always ends with triumph of the summit achieved. I would love to know how they got down!
> Re: the Boat Race memories ? there?s good sequence in ?This is the BBC? explaining the coverage of the race, a bit scripted and therefore somewhat stilted, but it does show
> the technical side of mounting this broadcast at the time (1959).
> Pat
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Alan,
I very much enjoyed your story about the 1982 Ice Climb...one for your OB write up/book for sure.
In 1983 I decided to leave London and went to the new OB unit called Barcud, set up in Caernarfon to make programmes for the Welsh 4th Channel (S4C) which had just started.
We were going to do cover a 'free climb' (no ropes) of one of the tricky climbs up Snowdon. Yes I know there is a railway up as well!
It was to be in Welsh (which I don't speak) until my old ITV company LWT decided to tag along and put it on World Of Sport as well.
So now it became a dual English- Welsh production.
The climber spoke both and we rigged his helmet with a couple of ECM77's into two Micron radio packs....still VHF in those days. 
The Receiver pack and fx gun mics were half way up on bbc 8 pair multis and luckily we had triax Sony cameras.
I mixed fx and 'English' in the scanner and my collegue Huw-Aled did 'Welsh' in a portacabin.
It was all Welsh until Dickie Davis linked to us and it then became English. However as he got near to top he had to switch frequently? between the languages to keep it interesting for both broadcasters. I had slowly introduced some background 'wind' fx off a portable pro Walkman I had brought because the fx 816's weren't giving anything and I had to kill his mic when in Welsh....as ITV didn't want Welsh....just like the Victorians didn't want Welsh either of course! S4C were happy with both ..... 
My colleague Huw told me afterwards adding taped fx was cheating but it is quite hard to make climbing a 'spectator sport' isn't it....I guess that's why it's so rarely done.
David T
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On 21:59, 31 Aug 2020, at 21:59, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
>In Feb 1982 the BBC did another live climbing broadcast, ice climbing
>on Ben Nevis. It?s another of those shows where there are a load of
>stories that can be told. 
>
>Triax camera cable was used in those days and it meant that camera
>cables could be a few kilometres long, which eliminated the need to
>de-rig the CCUs. The scanner could stay parked in a sensible place with
>long cables run out to the working positions on the mountain. 
>
>Having said there was no need to de-rig stuff, I was working on what
>most people would regard as a de-rig setup well above the snow line,
>with cable runs of 3-4km back to the scanner.  Rigging the cables was
>done by helicopter.  They coupled together long lengths of cable,
>waterproofed the joints, tested it to make sure it worked perfectly and
>rolled it onto massive drums which were fastened to the helicopter in
>such a way that they could unwind as it flew. In essence, they tied one
>end to the scanner and flew away, rolling out the cable as they went.
>
>This was all done at the base camp and the cables were run out a few
>days before we arrived.  When I checked the multi cable, it had several
>faults.  We needed most of it working, so had to identify where the
>problem was.  By that time the weather had closed in and flying was
>unsafe, so we had to walk up to the location and carry anything we
>needed.  It was a very strenuous trek, especially if carrying
>equipment. 
>
>In order to minimise disruption to the carefully waterproofed cable, I
>thought it best to tackle it the logical way.  Trudge through the snow
>to about the half way point, undo the cable and test it to see whether
>the problem was before or after that point. Undoing the multi connector
>was incredibly difficult and when I disconnected it, the cable sprung
>away from me, leaving a gap of around 30-40 cm between the two halves.
>
>It would appear that the cables had been run out from the base camp
>where the ambient temperature was maybe 10?C, but laid on the snow and
>ice where the temperature was no greater than -5?C.  Being copper, the
>cable wanted to contract and when I undid the connection, it sprung
>apart to release the tension.
>
>There were no short lengths of cable available to bridge the gap and
>the only breakout leads ( flails ) available would be needed to fix the
>problem.  The cable had to be reconnected, but in order to do that I
>had to walk to the next joint, disconnect it, walk back to where I
>originally was, pulling the cable back a little and then reconnecting
>and waterproofing at the first point before trudging back to the new
>break in the cable.  This procedure had to be done at every joint, all
>the way back to our location until the fault was found.
>
>When we identified the section where the fault was, it was possible to
>use two breakout leads to re-jig which pairs go where so that enough
>working pairs became available.
>
>We had logistics support from some marines. They taught us how to use
>their short handled shovels as an improvised toboggan and much fun was
>had racing down powdery sections of the snow. Not to be outdone, we
>showed them how we traditionally use our tough PVC rigging bags as an
>improvised four man bob sleigh.  Well when I say ?traditionally?, I
>mean we made it up as we went along and they were foolish enough to
>copy us. When you turn a rigging bag inside out, so that the webbing is
>inside and the smooth surface is on the outside, with four people in
>it, it?s capable of quite a fair turn of speed .... and it doesn?t have
>any brakes either, nor anything resembling an effective means of
>steering.
>
>Alan Taylor
>
>
>
>> On 31 Aug 2020, at 18:55, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>
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>> 
>> ?
>> Old Man of Hoy.
>> Fascinating!
>> I remember viewing the actual transmission, and my enduring image is
>of a very unhappy looking sound guy huddling under a dripping canvas
>shelter.
>> So far removed from the comfort of a warm studio!
>> My regret is that whether the ascent is of Hoy, or Everest, or K2,
>the programme always ends with triumph of the summit achieved. I would
>love to know how they got down!
>> Re: the Boat Race memories ? there?s good sequence in ?This is the
>BBC? explaining the coverage of the race, a bit scripted and therefore
>somewhat stilted, but it does show
>> the technical side of mounting this broadcast at the time (1959).
>> Pat
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In  Feb 1968 we filmed on Hoy ,6 months after the OB

Jim Mc Taggart was shooting Orkney Stories , a  Play for Today  by George McKie Brown ,one of which was located in Ratwick Bay ,under the Old man.
A remote and rugged croft dug into the shingle beach, a roaring sea all the way to Newfoundland.
Our journey there each day in a beat up Doormobile was an adventure itself.
The beach was still carved up from the Marine landing craft and heavy equipment used to transport the OB.
It was so windy the props guys had to hold my feet down when I was booming with an MKH 805..
We were holed up in Stromness for 3 days when a storm blew up, 2 Danish trawlers took shelter in the Northern Hotel ,our accommodation.
The first ships captain came in an ordered a round for all, Highland Park and Special Brew.
The drinking continued for 3 days, all the town turned up.
It was an amazing experience.
Roger

> On 31 Aug 2020, at 21:58, Alan Taylor via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> In Feb 1982 the BBC did another live climbing broadcast, ice climbing on Ben Nevis. It?s another of those shows where there are a load of stories that can be told. 
> 
> Triax camera cable was used in those days and it meant that camera cables could be a few kilometres long, which eliminated the need to de-rig the CCUs. The scanner could stay parked in a sensible place with long cables run out to the working positions on the mountain. 
> 
> Having said there was no need to de-rig stuff, I was working on what most people would regard as a de-rig setup well above the snow line, with cable runs of 3-4km back to the scanner.  Rigging the cables was done by helicopter.  They coupled together long lengths of cable, waterproofed the joints, tested it to make sure it worked perfectly and rolled it onto massive drums which were fastened to the helicopter in such a way that they could unwind as it flew. In essence, they tied one end to the scanner and flew away, rolling out the cable as they went.
> 
> This was all done at the base camp and the cables were run out a few days before we arrived.  When I checked the multi cable, it had several faults.  We needed most of it working, so had to identify where the problem was.  By that time the weather had closed in and flying was unsafe, so we had to walk up to the location and carry anything we needed.  It was a very strenuous trek, especially if carrying equipment. 
> 
> In order to minimise disruption to the carefully waterproofed cable, I thought it best to tackle it the logical way.  Trudge through the snow to about the half way point, undo the cable and test it to see whether the problem was before or after that point. Undoing the multi connector was incredibly difficult and when I disconnected it, the cable sprung away from me, leaving a gap of around 30-40 cm between the two halves.
> 
> It would appear that the cables had been run out from the base camp where the ambient temperature was maybe 10?C, but laid on the snow and ice where the temperature was no greater than -5?C.  Being copper, the cable wanted to contract and when I undid the connection, it sprung apart to release the tension.
> 
> There were no short lengths of cable available to bridge the gap and the only breakout leads ( flails ) available would be needed to fix the problem.  The cable had to be reconnected, but in order to do that I had to walk to the next joint, disconnect it, walk back to where I originally was, pulling the cable back a little and then reconnecting and waterproofing at the first point before trudging back to the new break in the cable.  This procedure had to be done at every joint, all the way back to our location until the fault was found.
> 
> When we identified the section where the fault was, it was possible to use two breakout leads to re-jig which pairs go where so that enough working pairs became available.
> 
> We had logistics support from some marines. They taught us how to use their short handled shovels as an improvised toboggan and much fun was had racing down powdery sections of the snow. Not to be outdone, we showed them how we traditionally use our tough PVC rigging bags as an improvised four man bob sleigh.  Well when I say ?traditionally?, I mean we made it up as we went along and they were foolish enough to copy us. When you turn a rigging bag inside out, so that the webbing is inside and the smooth surface is on the outside, with four people in it, it?s capable of quite a fair turn of speed .... and it doesn?t have any brakes either, nor anything resembling an effective means of steering.
> 
> Alan Taylor
> 
> 
> 
>> On 31 Aug 2020, at 18:55, patheigham via Tech1 <tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk <mailto:tech1 at tech-ops.co.uk>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Old Man of Hoy.
>> Fascinating!
>> I remember viewing the actual transmission, and my enduring image is of a very unhappy looking sound guy huddling under a dripping canvas shelter.
>> So far removed from the comfort of a warm studio!
>> My regret is that whether the ascent is of Hoy, or Everest, or K2, the programme always ends with triumph of the summit achieved. I would love to know how they got down!
>> Re: the Boat Race memories ? there?s good sequence in ?This is the BBC? explaining the coverage of the race, a bit scripted and therefore somewhat stilted, but it does show
>> the technical side of mounting this broadcast at the time (1959).
>> Pat
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